The Joe Rogan Experience - #2070 - Evan Hafer

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

Evan Hafer is a Special Forces veteran, founder/CEO of Black Rifle Coffee Company, and one of the hosts of the "Black Rifle Coffee Podcast."https://www.blackriflecoffee.com

the Joe Rogan experience that's that's what you're classifying yourself as comedian slash cage fighting commentator fighting commentary I got a pretty solid IQ for that no that's great so you said it was the average Cush cage fighting commentator. Cage fighting commentator. I got a pretty solid IQ for that. No, that's great. So you said it was the average, there's 16% of America that has below 85 IQ? Correct.

So that's the cutoff for military service. They can't take somebody in. This is the kind of talk that started Hitler off. It's like when they start getting some master race eugenic because you know like i would never ever say that people shouldn't breed i would never say anything like that i would never wouldn't i would never if we're in elk hunting camp i'll tell you that but publicly i would never. You would never say it on this podcast.

Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. I don't know what my parents' IQs were. What if my parents were, you know, like,

what if they got IQs and their IQ tests were really low? But I mean, isn't it possible that someone who's not that bright

has a super smart kid, like, they give them enough vaccines and the kid comes out a genius? I hope that's the case for my kids. God, I hope so. I hope they got a little bit more than I do. Yeah.

Life's hard when you're stupid. Oh my God, it's so hard when you're dumb. God. I've had conversations with dudes and like halfway in the conversation, I'm like this poor motherfucker with his dim light bulb. Typically me. That's the way I feel, where I'm like, I'm running this thing to the red.

I've got max RPMs going on up here, down here. God, I had dinner with Eric Weinstein. Yeah, see, that's what I'm talking about. It's crazy. I'm just trying to like... Impossible to keep up. It's like you're at VO2 max and he hasn't even like stepped off the curb mentally.

Yeah, he's not even sweating. Yeah, he's like, let me explain this to you. He got out the crayons and drew me some pictures. That's how it fucking works. Dude, he literally wrote... I don't even know if it's been disproven. See, this is the thing. The stuff that he discusses is so complex that there's only like, what's the amount

of people in the world that could even argue with him about it? He wrote a theory of everything. The theory of everything. And he announced it on this podcast. He published this theory and he's putting it out there for people to judge. And I don't know how it's been received. I don't know. But how would I know?

I mean, I would never understand who's right. One of the things that I've learned during COVID, this whole trust the experts thing, suck my dick. Okay? That's nonsense. There's a lot of these people that are fucking full of shit and bought and paid for, and I don't trust just the experts anymore. I trust some experts.

I trust if I can understand what they're talking about and I know where maybe their conflicts lie, I can see, well, why would they be ignoring certain studies but highlighting others? Oh, there's a conflict of interest. Oh, there's some money involved. Oh, maybe there's a revolving door and they can get into some nice agency or some corporation after they're done with the agency i i can kind of look at that but it takes time with this shit when what he's talking

about i have no idea who the experts are i have no idea what he's literally talking about a theory of everything. You were, and it was Brian Callen and me and it was a wild conversation because you even get to talk. Yeah. Yeah. And Eric, how much did you get to talk? I got to talk like 10% of the time,

which I felt was a solid number. It's a solid number. Like I showed up, I got, I got up to bat, you know, I, I can't

say i ever hit the ball but i was at least participating dude i wasn't just breathing with jordan peterson where we've had a three and a half hour conversation i've talked for three minutes now that does not surprise me at all because he can go he can go that guy can go he can go have you watched those uh That guy can go. He can go. Have you watched those, um, the monk debates with him? Those are incredible. Amazing. Like him and,

was it Malcolm Gladwell? Um, that, that debate when he, yes, Douglas Murray. Yes. Jordan Peterson.

Like that, that thing was so good because I just love watching those guys intellectually eviscerate people because it's hilarious to me. I do, but it becomes a bit of an intellectual rap battle. And that's what I don't like about it. Yeah, okay. I just feel like it's beneath those guys. And when I see guys like Malcolm dunking on people, I'm like, shouldn't we just be discussing the data like shouldn't you instead

of trying to invoke an emotional response from someone i understand why you would do that if you're fucking with someone if you wanted to like have an argument with someone but like what what is this publicly for why is it public what's public because we're trying to understand who's right and who's wrong i want to know why you think the way you think. Right. There's clearly many different schools of thought when it comes to many cultural things and people are fiercely opposed to the other side. I want to know where you're coming from. If you're dunking on people, like now I do know where you're coming from. I don't like that.

I don't like, I don't, cause like, first of all, it's not anything that funny. If you're going to do it, be good at it. Like be fucking funny. And also it's not necessary that funny. If you're going to do it, be good at it. Be fucking funny. And also, it's not necessary to this argument, this discussion. You should really be talking about why you really believe what you believe and what you think is wrong with this opposing opinion. Not just being silly. I love the debate stage.

I love that forum for two people to take a topic. I used to watch debates. I think PBS used to do a series on just, you know, they take one topic and they chew it up and they figure out where's the crowd before and then where was the crowd after. And they're fascinating because when people are going from opposing points, they're going back and forth. If they stick to facts, they don't get personal. Because that's when it actually starts to get like, really now you're just kind of being personal. You're degrading the actual conversation. You're not going, it's not a fight. It's not like, from my perspective, you look at it, you're like, it's kind of like watching a match where you're watching two guys go back and forth hit for hit yes and seeing guys like jordan and in douglas murray or some of those guys really flex it's it's pretty it it's pretty funny to me sam harris is the goat at that yeah when it comes to like religious debates that guy's the best at that. Yeah. When it comes to like religious debates. That guy's the best at that shit. Because he has this measured tone.

And he never loses his cool. And he has so much fucking information. That's when I became a fan of his. Is watching those religious debates. Yeah. You know, because like sometimes when people believe a thing so much, they haven't ever looked at the thing the way someone who doesn't believe in the thing looks at it right when you gotta get a guy like sam who's so eloquent and is not buying

it and he has a bunch of like really logical reasons why he's not buying it and some of them are pretty funny yeah and when he brings those up in front of you and then the audience is laughing it's like ooh This is a tough spot to be Because they you're trying to pull out all the stuff you figure out why you're right when you when you got that much power to Not only debate somebody on it on a subject with an encyclopedia of Information and be funny so you can be charismatic you can be logical you can keep a measured tone that guy's pretty fucking skilled oh he's a wizard at that yeah yeah he's a wizard at that shit i i it's a

game you know you're playing it's it's like jujitsu it's like chess it's like you're playing this game there's a bunch of moves and trying to figure out who can get their moves off. But I think people genuinely want to know. Did you ever see that movie? There's a documentary about... God, what was it called? The one about Gore Vidal and... What's that guy? Best of Enemies.

Yes, Best of Enemies. No, I haven't seen it. Gore Vidal and... What's the fucking other guy's name? I always forget his name. William Buckley. Yeah, William Buckley. So Buckley's the conservative and Gore Vidal is the... And they aired these, I think it was on NBC.

Is that what it was on? ABC or NBC? Oh, yeah. But it got huge ratings. Like they were losing in the ratings. And this was kind of a Hail Mary. Have William F. Buckley is the leading conservative and Gore Vidal, who's this wild liberal. And so they were on moderated on ABC.

Yeah. ABC. News coverage of the Republican National Convention in Miami. So this is 1968. They're fucking great, man. Yeah. Because one of the things that people are knowing through, learning through podcasts when you talk about guys like Eric Weinstein or guys like Jordan Peterson or Sam Harris, people want to hear people talk.

The people that are above that 85 IQ, what is it, 84% of the population? The people that are above, those fucking people want they want to hear how Interesting intelligent people are discussing ideas. Yeah, you don't see any of that shit on TV except Bill Marshall But even Bill Marshall, there's a lot of people talking over each other. Yeah, got us. It's an hour Everything's got to fit in an hour. It's on HBO Which is why I think he's doing his own show. He's doing his own podcast now. Yeah, it's like After Dark or something. Club Random.

Yeah, okay, there you go. It's very good. I've seen it. It's very good. And he's really himself in that. Like the Bill Maher, if you want to chill with Bill and have a drink, he really does a fantastic job of just being himself.

Isn't that interesting when you think about Bill Maher and his kind of outward appearance from his political point of view, which is typically going to be left. Yeah. And then guys that go on a show and they have this really complex, interesting conversation. But for a bunch of people, they won't even watch Bill because he's left. Yeah. They won't even watch. So they're going

to stick in their echo chamber they're going to continue to kind of uh propagate out speaking points from either platform and they're never going to go out and watch different things just based on a person's political view yeah joining a political party or being in a political party like ideologically in your head is not good for you it's bad for like there are a lot of things that people who are on the right uh believe that i agree with and there's a lot of things that people on the left believe and i agree with and i refuse i refuse to be a part of this left versus right thing i think it's stupid i think it's bad for us i think it's a trap yeah i think it's bad for us. I think it's a trap Yeah I think it's a really dumb trap in America and Bill Maher says a lot of really wise shit And he says a lot of shit about culture that goes against the ideology that he's a part of being

He's as deep in the Hollywood system as is humanly possible. He's a political host on a show on HBO I mean that's like deepwood right you know he knows where the sex parties are because he's probably he's probably the guy setting the pin yeah he knows who's wearing the goat mask you know like if there's a fucking illuminati in hollywood that meanwhile you know he does all these jokes in his monologue about transitioning kids. Right. About like, hey, maybe we shouldn't just break out the dick saw right away. And I'm like, yo, Bill is going for it.

That's because he never stopped being a comic. Bill Maher, out of all these guys that become hosts of talk shows, he never stopped just being a comic. He never stopped touring. He never stopped doing all of his live shows. Never just being a comic he never stopped touring he never stopped doing all of his live shows never stopped being a comic that's what separates bill because there's a lot of these guys look man you get a job like the host of the tonight show or something along those lines that you are fucking set baby dude that is like go i'm buying a ferrari a Ferrari. I got a house in Maui. You're balling out of control. And there's a lot of pressure to keep that going and to appease the people that would make those decisions and to also be as marketable as humanly possible to everybody out there in the world so that you can maintain this job So whether or not there's like verbal and when I have they sit you down and say hey

This is what you have to say you support a woman's right to choose you support Immigration you support, you know about racists IDs are racist like right like things you have to say yeah with the vaccine aren't you Jimmy like yeah They don't necessarily sit you down and do that but you you fucking know yeah fucking no I mean it's it's unwitting or witting essentially extortion to a certain degree because you're saying if you don't cooperate you're going to be on the streets and you're not going to get picked for stuff no like it it's a but it's a tyranny that like if there's one person or one group that has the overwhelming part of discerning who makes it or who doesn't make it they have the ability to choose who's the rock yeah yeah they have the ability to choose right they're they're gonna put this guy in the movies because let me

tell you something. As good as Tom Cruise is, and he's a great actor, as good as Brad Pitt is, he's a great actor. There's some unknown 28-year-old that can do exactly what they can do right now. Exactly. It's a different kind of skill. It's not like boxing. Right. Like, we don't know who the best boxer is.

We fucking know who the best boxers are. You know? We watch them. Right. These guys are out there and like little plays and shit and you you have no idea how good they are because they don't get chosen yet and there's thousands of them and they're all trying to go to the same spot with a very limited amount of slots for them to get into and i mean think about what they have a little window of time yeah because you them to get into. And I mean, think about what they have to do. And a little window of time. Yeah.

Because you got to get in there while you're attractive, when your skin still looks good or whatever. I mean, look at those guys. They're running it as far as they can. I mean, how old is Tom Cruise? Like 80? He's a thousand years old. Yeah, he's a vampire.

He looks fucking great. He looks awesome. And he's still jumping out of planes. Like he's flying planes. He's jumping vampire. He looks fucking great. He looks awesome. He looks great. And he's still jumping out of planes. Like he's flying planes. He's jumping out of planes. Broke his fucking ankle on a stunt jumping between two buildings. There's a video of him shattering his ankle. Yeah.

Like that guy, regardless of all the crazy stuff that he said. I think the crazy stuff he says is a good part of it. You think so? Yeah. I think that's why he's so good. Listen, man. I swore off dating actresses when i was like 27 i was like they're just too much work just do crazy it's especially really good ones yeah because i'm not saying if you're a really good actress you have

to be nuts but boy it would help it would really help because they they can lock into a role in some fucking insane way that you know, like they're crying screaming and crying Nothing happened, but they're pretending but there you would think their mom just died right in front of them. Yeah, it's crazy There's the the ability to do that is nuts and some people just have it and there's a lot of them out there And I would imagine if you're really good at that like you don't think Daniel Day-Lewis is crazy oh man he strikes me as one he strikes me as like crazy he he also strikes me as fascinating oh yeah what's going on in his brain being able to compartmentalize emotion and do the things that he's done the scenes from There will be what it will be blood. Yes whole

Holy shit, dude, when he that that's when he He crushes that guy's skull in the bowling alley in the basement that might be one of the single greatest scenes in Movie history when he's tense. He is so intense He's so perfect at that role and the camera angles and the way that they were yeah they they were feeding that to the audience was so fucking brilliant so good i drink your milkshake yeah and he's like making the the the straw like this yeah my straw there like That guy is incredible.

He's incredible. Have you had him on the show? No. I don't even know if he does things like this. Yeah, here we go. Jesus Christ. Like everything. like everything jesus christ just everything beat that guy to death with a bowling pin and then every little piece of that

yeah was put together perfectly from the from the way that his his face was contorted to the level of breathing that he was participating in and then as he falls down this is just so incredible what is it? Third revelation. I am the third revelation. I told you I would beat you. I told you I would beat you up. We're brothers. We're brothers.

Amazing. I don't remember what he did. What did he do that he's beaten him to death? I can't remember either. I think he just... I mean, who knows? I looked at the individual scenes of the movie and I was like, this is fucking awesome.

He's insane. Yeah. He's incredibly good. I think it would help. I think that's what's helping with Tom Cruise. I think being nutty helps. Yeah. You have to be.

Yeah. Or at least maybe how much you think. Have it in you. Maybe you can keep it together most of the time. You know, there's people that like, they keep it together most of the time. But if something goes sideways, there's like a little switch you see go off in their head you're like oh the other Brad is here now it's like crazy I've known a few of those guys of course you do yeah we both know guys like that

so that there's places that some people like they don't have that room in their house yeah and this guy's like I want to show you this room and you open it's a fucking gigantic man cave with tanks in there and fucking garage lifts and pistols all over the wall you're like oh i didn't know you had this room i didn't i i like it when uh when you discover people that are secret preppers that they they keep it they keep it way underneath their their their overt personality and then you're like right i was shooting this shit with some guy a couple months ago and he's like so you doing prepping I was like oh yeah I love

it it's awesome it's like you know I don't play fantasy football I like participate in these like you know preparation games or whatever because it's just an interesting thought exercise to walk yourself through and oh by the way if something happens you also have kind of a group of contingencies

that you can operate from. And he's like, okay. And it was like I passed the test because I was like, yeah, man, let's go. And then he started unpacking everything for me. He's like, oh yeah, I got a shipping container buried under my property. Oh, wow.

Yeah, that's cool. So do I. Yeah. I like that. I like it when i see that stuff well it is a good thing to know you know mike glover's great at that which got him labeled a terrorist i think yeah fucking explaining to people how to prepare in case things go sideways and they're like you are a problematic individual yeah i i don't know how that happens. Well, I do know how that happens.

How does it happen? I think you have a bunch of people within the federal government that have a political agenda and or they don't understand. They see any and everyone in the country that owns a firearm as some type of threat at some point. owns a firearm is some type of you know threat at some point and they have to be what i would say is familiar with all aspects of america they have to really understand like hey there's a group of people out there that prepare for the worst hope for the best that's what they do and they're really into it and just because they're going to the range with a group of friends and they're preparing doesn't make them domestic terrorists. It just makes them prepared. Yeah.

And here's the thing that I think people should put in their heads. Does everybody remember? Let me speak to people that live in Los Angeles because this is where it gets rare. Does everybody remember the lines outside the gun stores? Do you remember during the everybody remember the lines outside the gun stores? Do you remember during the riots, there was lines outside the gun stores? Listen to me, kids. Keep that energy. Keep that energy.

Because that didn't go away forever. That was just a couple of years ago. And the weirdness of life, the weirdness of the way the world works, some shit could pop off anywhere and everywhere. That's real. That's a real possibility. We all saw what just happened in Israel. It's a real possibility that some shit could pop off. And to bury your head in the sand and pretend that that's not possible, that doesn't help anybody.

That doesn't help anybody. And to prepare? Why is preparing bad? Do you think that's a part of the cultural differences between people, just in general, between red and blue and people? What I would say is the question is there's people that are really individual. They want to take accountability. And there's other people that are like, I want to bury my head in the sand. And I want the government to take care of it.

Yeah, yeah. You think that's part of it? It's part of it. But there's also, there's a weird denial of possibility that comes along with not wanting preparedness. And it's one of the rare times, when I look at someone like Mike Glover being labeled a terrorist, it's one of the rare times I go,

well, there might actually be a conspiracy to keep people weak. They might want to look at people like that as resistance to authoritarianism, and they want to squash that. It's one of the rare times where I don't look at it objectively. I look at decisions like that and go, oh, you like weak people. You only want weak people.

You don't want people to challenge you once you get into power. You don't want people to say, hey, that's against the law or hey, this is not the way we're supposed to be operating. You want people to just comply. And when no one's armed, people comply. And when everyone's armed, it's really hard to get people to comply, especially if they're kind of in agreement. If there's a large percentage of us that are in agreement, like, no, you can't listen to all my phone calls. You're just a person.

to all my phone calls. You're just a person. Whether you work for whatever fucking agency, if I'm a guy who works at a tire shop who doesn't do anything wrong and you want to listen to all my phone calls, what, you're just a person. What you should be, look, if you find a guy

who you know is fucking wearing a suicide vest, is about to walk into a wall, you know something's going on, yeah, listen to that guy's phone. And if you've got a chain of terrorists that you're studying and you need to listen to their phones, fuck yeah, listen to their phones. But if a guy just likes to can peaches and he owns a couple of 9mms and an AR, you want to listen to his phone? Hey, man, fuck you.

Wait, did you see where this was last week or maybe the week before last? They were talking about how they had TSA air marshals following people that were in D.C., not even at the Capitol, but they were in D.C. during January 6th. So they just been following these people around the United States. Have you seen this? resources over uh the thanksgiving travel period to staff the security needs from the uh like airlines because they had people that were air marshals i believe i and i'm scrolling through this following people that were just in dc they weren't even like implemented in anything it was wild dude what are they following for what's i don I think, I mean, I think there's a level of intrusiveness in the government that is just, at some point, we have to say it's unacceptable. Like, I think, I mean, obviously, this is a long podcast.

We don't need to take down the temperature just yet. But I think, man, I don't quite understand why they want that level of surveillance activity around people that quite literally might have only been in D.C. during that time period. I think the amount of pressure that they're putting on people to let them know that if there's ever anything like this again, this is what's going to happen. Everyone's going to jail. People that shouldn't go to jail are going to jail. If the cops let you in the door and they give you a tour, you're going to jail. We're going to call it a violent insurrection and everyone's going to jail. And we're going to let you in.

We're going to open up the barricades and we're going to have federal agents in the audience encouraging you right to go into the house and then when we're under oath we're going to say we can't answer whether or not federal agents were inciting people to go into the capitol like how how how ethically inappropriate do you think everything about that is it's like dude it is so bad so bad yeah if this was happening from the right if if this was Trump doing this, people would be losing their shit. Be losing their shit. You should be losing your shit if it happens in any political party. This is wild. It's wild.

I don't know. And I'm not by any stretch of the imagination going to fix it. But I think the Bill of Rights is so important. And for people to understand what it means and clearly differentiate between, okay, this is states, this is federal. You know, why are these things so important? Individual liberty comes with responsibility. Like that's the other piece to this. It's like you and I love freedom like to be fair It's quite quite literally my favorite thing. It's pretty fun. Have more. It's awesome Yeah, like you can never have too much. I don't think like no I don't think so Because I'm gonna take accountability. I'm gonna be responsible for my actions. I'm not gonna Mess with other people. I'm not gonna impede on their ability to pursue happiness because I'm not going to mess with other people. I'm not going to impede on their ability to pursue happiness because I'm responsible. But I think, you know, that's me.

That's you. I think there's a whole other side of the country. They're like, hey, I don't want any responsibility for this. It's just it's too much for me. Yeah, I think what you're saying is so important because I think freedom without responsibility is what everyone's scared of yeah you know when people talk about uh gun violence or they talk about crime or anything what you're talking about is freedom without responsibility even illegal immigration it's freedom without responsibility and accountability and responsibility and like having things that you have to do is what we need more of.

That's what we need more of. You want to have more freedom? We definitely should have more freedom. But we should also have more people that are taking care of their life. They have their shit together. So what we should be doing instead of trying to take away freedom, try giving people the tools that they need to be more accountable and to do better in their life and to get their fucking shit together like that should be the number

one emphasis not taking away your rights because some people can't handle it right you know there's just well and that equals everything right so then it's like, we'll say that the highly motivated people that are kind of that will live their life with virtue and courage and pursue all of what I would say is Western philosophic principles. with that responsibility but then you have that other piece that's saying i don't want to have anything to do with that i'd rather have a safe secure existence without any accountability or responsibility yeah i 100 agree that's why i and this isn't like it's not meant to be like over complimentary but i think that's so this show and other people like you and Jocko and Cam and Jordan, whomever else that it's out kind of out there in the ecosystem, you guys are, are putting really good information out into the world saying like, I was, I was, uh, to reference your podcast with Lex that you did maybe like a year ago, he was asking you straight up advice. Like,

how do you, how do you make yourself better? How do you be a better person? You're answering saying, Hey, this is what worked for me. Well, you're obviously successful. You should be propagating that out into the, into the country, into the world, having men and women, everybody else saying, fuck yeah, I'm going to take more accountability. I'm going to be more responsible for my life. I'm going to live radically free because that's fucking cool. That is what people who live in cities don't like. If you're living in a city and you're in an apartment building and you're an urbanist, you're thinking of yourself in an urbanist.

So you have a scarf and you're going to get your latte and maybe you're getting an Uber or you're hopping in the subway. What you like is infrastructure. You like everything to be set up for you. Oh, we have dinner at the Italian restaurant at 730. Great. You go over there. You eat food that someone else prepared. You get a glass of wine that someone else grew the grapes.

You're not doing shit other than consuming and this is what you enjoy We're gonna go to the play. We're gonna go to the opera. We're gonna go see a film Oppenheimer's out We're gonna go home. Oh this person is at the fucking comedy club. Let's go see that Yeah, let's go. You know let's constantly consume and those people think people say no you need to get in shape and you need to start eating well like oh oh oh oh i'm not interested in this at all i want someone to wipe my ass i have a i have a seat on the toilet that sprays water up my ass so i barely have to wipe anymore it just hoses my ass down i press buttons i go to sleep i take an ambien i go to sleep. I take an Ambien. I go to sleep. I wake up in the morning. I go to Starbucks. Yeah. It's, it's, it's almost a prescription for what I would say is if you

want to live within the, the, the safety and in the sanctuary of an urban environment where you've got everything mapped out to you. So you've been indoctrinated under a system of like bells and whistles that conformity means everything in academia, which is don't, don't, don't, don't stick out, you know, like be on time, be best in class, make sure that you're, you're hitting all your bells and whistles when you move directly into that urban area where you're also working from nine to five or whomever, you know, or whatever. It's like 60, 70 hours a week, but everything is laid out. It's very lockstep conformity all

the way through. Dude, I have zero interest in doing that. Like that sounds like a prison to me, to be honest with you. That sounds like a fucking prison. Well, that's, what's fascinating is that these people that we're talking about that live in these urban environments that have jobs like that and are not interested in physical health and are going to restaurants and doing all the things. Those people are the most fucked up. Yeah. They have the most health problems. They have the most mental health problems. I'm just guessing.

I'm just guessing. I'm just guessing. But I know a lot of people that live in urban cities that are on SSRIs. Right. I know a lot of them. I would like, you know, like there's that 15% of the people that have 85 or below IQ. What percentage of the people that live in cities that live like that are on antidepressants or some sort of psychoactive medication. I read that too. I think it's, I think it's about the same. I think it's almost equal.

There's another like 10% of people out there. So when you think about the numbers, depending on how much overlap there is, there's 50 million people between, you know, below 85. And then that are what you would say is clinically depressed indoor on some type of psychological drug Right, so that's like 15% as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's almost equal Yeah, I wonder how much of those are confined to urban areas. It's got to be higher I think it's a it's almost a math thing. It's called standard deviation There's like it was gonna be a certain number that are you know, over the percent this way 15% that way You know, what's interesting with depression is that no no one takes into account how well you're doing right don't you feel better

when you're doing well like when you have a good relationship you got a good group of friends you gotta why don't we think of that as medicine i i think about it like i've had a lot of time over the last i would say a couple years to try to like turn the bolts on this to figure out what it is that's like makes me happy or creates more endurance or energy or whatever it might be. And there's this eudaimonia. Have you ever heard of this? No. It's like this old Greek term that they would use to define happiness and fulfillment through hard work and accomplishing your goals and objectives. So it's essentially being happy in establishing very difficult criteria for yourself and then adhering to it. And it's older than the Stoics.

And I realized I was like, oh, that's, that's kind of what makes me tick. I love just grinding myself into moon dust. Like we were talking earlier, I was like, I'm running this whole machine in the red all the time. Right. It's like, I'm five, seven, 160 pounds. So it's like, I got to work to put out physical energy to even keep up, you know, in a special operations team

or whatever previous profession that I've had, I've got to push this thing to the red to carry weight, to carry enough energy that I can accomplish a task. And then when you're floating just above maybe an average IQ, you also have to run this thing in the red. There's no like plus or minus 5%, dude. Like I have to get in and grind myself into moon dust

every day and i gotta wring the sponge out of it if i don't well i'm gonna be just average because i'm i'm average yeah that's a thing like but you you found ways to use the way you think about things and figure out a path in life. I think the difference between a guy like you and these people we're talking about is some people are just looking for a place to plug in. And I think that's where the despair comes from. I think the despair comes from not having a real purpose, like not having anything you really built or anything that you really feel proud of or anything that you really feel like. Like your company, like Black Rifle, is creative as well as like really great coffee

and cool people and it's all veteran owned. It's like something to be proud of. It's like a real thing. Like you go there, people are smiling. It feels good good you've created this amazing business like that's but that's a very different feeling than someone who's in some corporate structure and you know there's fucking all these weird rules and laws and and social things you have to do in the office in order to get ahead right and you have to you know you have

to learn how to play golf yeah even if you don't you have to you know You have to learn how to play golf Yeah Even if you don't like even if you don't want to play you gotta play golf you want to get deals you gotta play golf You got to hit the links on the weekend and like suck up to some other guy that you know pleaded front Docker wearing like back slapping guy that you're like, ah man like maybe he's my cocksucker. Yeah, maybe he's a complete dick Yeah, maybe he's gonna be a dick and, maybe he's going to be a dick. And also if he's a dick and he's good at golf and you suck at golf, oh my God. You're never going to win any of these fucking conversations

when it comes to business. Or you really just want to do something else. Like, but I've got to go play golf every weekend. You really want to make folk songs. Yeah, I want to play acoustic guitar. I used to have that acoustic guitar or be a, or I, I used to like, uh, have that conversation with guys, the agency, because there, there are people that just, they weren't into the mission. They, to, to your point, it's like my purpose, my mission, and kind of the way that I've laid

things out was I've always had to work for something bigger than just myself. Like I can't just be really selfish. It doesn't even compute my DNA. I have to look at something from a bigger purpose, look at the mission, the goals and objectives, be somewhat altruistic, and then just fucking dive in. Then you can be, you can be selfless in some of what you're doing and you can kind of behave as a cog in the wheel which I think is actually a really important piece to development is how many people have ever worked as just a number just a number in a machine like right you don't feel valuable no no you don't and creating value with a team with a bigger purpose. I think that's what guys in the military and guys from my background, as they transition out're they're striving to accomplish a big goal and objective that takes complete intellectual and physical capitulation and when they get out

they're like now we have all this freedom 360 degrees well you have to lay your own life out you have to redefine your purpose and then drive in as deep as you can. I think they go through a significant existential crisis. Well, that happens to guys that get out of prison too. Yeah. Guys that get out of prison,

a lot of them want to get arrested and go back because they're more comfortable in jail. Right. They don't like the freedom. They don't like this new life. All their friends are still locked up. Their social connections

are locked up out in the street. They're a pariah. They're an ex-con. You know? Some of those things are like transitioning into, you know, the professional environment, especially from the team room. Like I was in a team room my entire life. And, I mean, you know me better than most, which is i'm not politically correct i couldn't build an ecosystem nor could i have a i could have ever survived in the corporate environment because my mind doesn't

work like that like i i have the diplomacy of a sledgehammer sometimes and it's not but at least there's a place for a mind like yours yeah the thing is when you're a kid they tell you there's not right when i was a kid, man, I was fucking absolutely convinced I was a loser. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Seriously? Fuck up in school.

Big fuck up in school. You know, always getting kicked out of classes for making fun of things. Never had any work ethic at all. The only time I worked is when I like if I needed money to buy a car or something like that. I'd get a job and I'd do that but I was in hell Thinking like imagine having to do this for life like although I had a bunch of my dad was an architect so I had a bunch of construction jobs growing up and Those fucking taught me that I don't want to do that right like I had a whole summer

I worked my friend Jimmy Lawless and we I carried cement bags and pressure treated lumber all summer. It was like, I only worked there for like a couple months. I'm saying all summer. I don't even, it might not have been a couple months. It might have been a couple weeks. I was 19. And I remember really clearly going, I am never going to be able to do this. Because I would leave at the end of the day. I was toast. I was done, man. I'd go to the gym to work out. I had nothing. I was just so tired. There was not, and I realized like, okay, I can't do this. I don't, I admire people who can do it. You can just show up for work every day. I feel like I'm in hell. I got to find a thing, but I got lucky that there's things and you got lucky that there's things, but in school, they don't

tell you that there's things. They don't say, Hey, Joe, I see how you can't pay attention in class. You're always cracking jokes. Like, maybe you should be a comedian. Like, no. Never. They're like, you're going to fail. Yeah, you're a fucking loser. You're a loser. And until I started being good at stuff, I didn't realize that I could.

That maybe I wasn't a loser. Like, so when I started doing martial arts, that was the first time I was like, oh, I could fucking apply myself to things. i could actually be really good at stuff it's just a matter of i didn't find a thing that was interesting to me until this yeah it's very similar like you and i had very very similar backgrounds like my dad was he was a logger so he was up at three four o'clock in the morning every day like i saw this dude just work his entire life and he was so committed and so disciplined like i never saw my dad inebriated i always saw him with a lunchbox he worked in the woods my entire life but i wasn't good at shit like it which is

also good like you know i like to you know fuck around with my buddies and i like to do interesting things i guess for that like try to jump motorcycles or whatever kind of random shit you'd come up with but you know as as i got into the military i was like oh i'm good at this like i'm really good at this for some reason you know i can run fast i can shoot well um you know i can put together semi-coherent sentences so shit i can be good at this and this is something i can and you know steal the phrase accelerate your life or whatever i can accelerate my life and it was fun dude i could jump out of planes and learn different languages and spend most of my life out of the country. But it was the same kind of evolution. It's like, I found this thing that I was really good at.

I loved it. And I could just go chips in on it. And it built layers of confidence and allowed me to just build the confidence to say well you know what if I was good at this I could probably apply this to other things in life yeah and it just compounds like way I built black rifle and why I did was like my mission statement when I transitioned out was to transition out a government service and live a happy and fulfilling life. That was it. It didn't have anything to do with money or goals or any of those things. It was how do I define happiness?

How do I define fulfillment? And then as we grew the company after about the first year, it became really evident that I could not only do something, because I had this beautiful family that I loved, like my kids and my wife, and they're giving me so much power and endurance. What if I built this really cool company where you could leave the family that you love and go to work in a company that you love? And then it would become a flywheel who just get faster and faster and faster in your life and create more happiness, more fulfillment, what if I could scale that

and give that to other people? And so far, I mean, it's fucking worked. Like, I feel so happy and, you know, I feel so, like, I'm so grateful. Like, I'm just so grateful for the things that I've been able to do over the last 10 years. And, you know,

I, I, I tell this to people all the time or go to my refrigerator, pulled milk out for my kids. There's not a morning or a day that doesn't go by where I don't think my customers for they get, they've given me this opportunity. Right.

They've given me this opportunity to make crazy art and amazing coffee and build this culture of people that i love fuck that that is cool man and it's very cool it's it's them they did it they did it for me i i just kind of like have facilitated it but it was the perfect thing for you to plug into yeah and to apply your passion into a new direction what's interesting too about black rifle and by way, thank you for the cup. Yeah, man. Evan brought me a mug. This is how thoughtful he is.

It's white on the inside so I can see how dark the coffee is. Yeah. That's a real coffee nerd, folks. Yeah, it's built perfectly from, and I won't, like, everybody will gloss over and start, like, tuning out, but it's 1 to 16 ratio brew method from 30 grams of coffee in and

480 grams yielded but then you can see it uh how dark is it how light is it you can kind of um i built it for the perfect mug based on how many fingers can you get in uh through the handle what's the weight of it i also build things that if you have to hit somebody in the fucking face with it it's got some half yeah yeah these little bitches will break easy yeah yeah yeah this this has got a lot more half to it it's got a heavy heavy bottom in it so there's a little bit of thought that went into that especially if you get your hand around it this way that's how i would do it right i wouldn't hold on the hand i'm not trusting this handle i know i put my fingers through the handle. I'm looking at this end right here.

Right. It'd be in the most durable spot to hit somebody with. It's got a good edge. This is what I'm looking at. Yeah. You don't hit them with up there. No. You get them with this.

This is what I'm looking at. I'm looking at a nice angle. See? Yeah. I like what you're saying. Yeah. This is a good three-finger handle, too. It's just perfect for my fat fingers.

It gets right in there i got a pinky in the bottom to brace i like it see yeah yeah there's a little bit of thought that went into it yeah the coffee thought is nuts man when i went to your place and i saw your lab i was like this is so preposterous it is you are such a nerd the way you measure the exact amount of coffee and you're experimenting with different temperatures by like two and three degrees. Yeah. It's so crazy. But you can tell when you make coffee in coffee camp,

in hunting camp, brother, it was the most spoiled time ever. We get the most insane coffee. And it was hilarious. We ran out of coffee filters and someone, was it Cody? I think Cody said, oh, we can use a paper towel. You just turned him. We're not using a fucking paper towel.

I got angry. I got angry. You did get angry. Because he was serious. I was like, you can't. Are you serious? No, we're not doing that. I'll go to the store.

I'll get filters, but we're not doing that. These guys are fucking cowboys. They would throw some fucking coffee beans and throw a rock into a fucking thing and pour hot water on it. They're just like, yeah, this is whatever. These guys are animals. Yeah. They're amazing guys.

They're amazing guys. They're amazing guys. They're amazing, hardworking dudes. I love those guys. I look forward to going there every year. Dude. We have so much fun together, too. That's such a fun week.

I had so much fun this year, like, for, you know, the people listening, I guess it's like I got to watch you do like 30 stocks. Yeah. It's a lot of, there's a lot of stalking and blown stocks and missed shots and missed opportunities and you get winded. Yeah. Elk hunting is amazing, dude. It's amazing that bull that you killed um a pair of fours like that thing was so cool to watch because i watched the entire thing and i'll recite it from my position because i couldn't really see you very well because you'd moved off and i'm looking at him from across um i was on

one spur you were on the other, and there's a little valley in between us. But we were probably, I don't know, a thousand yards away. And I'm watching you through my binos, trying to figure out what you're doing. Because I could see the bull. And then he got up, and I couldn't tell if you were winded or not.

But then all I heard, like I saw him tear ass up the hill and then tumble down he was dead in five seconds really quick three and a half five seconds at the most and i heard it from across the canyon you yelled so loud we were and we started laughing because you're like yeah and it echoed all the way down through the canyon. I was like, well, bowl down. Let's go. Yeah, I gave a Ric Flair.

Yeah. I gave a giant woo. Yeah, they're the fucking most interesting animal to me. I mean, I've deer hunted. I've bear hunted. I've hunted axis deer. I've hunted a lot of different animals. But elk to me are like the most majestic.

They're the coolest looking. Yeah. They're fucking coolest looking. Yeah. They're fucking smart as shit when they smell you. Their senses are so good. They're always tuned in to what the fuck is going on. And the only time you catch them slipping is when they're hungry, they're tired, or they want to fuck. Yeah. And we caught him when he was tired.

Smoked. He decided to take a nap. And I was like, okay, buddy, you just fucked up. And I creeped in with my socks on. I creeped in for half an hour. I was moving so slow because his head was kind of turned sideways. And I could never tell if he was looking at me. So I had to make no movement.

I was just inching towards that motherfucker. And every time you turn away, I get a couple of slow steps, and I'd have to stop. And then I'd have to wonder. I wonder if he remembers what he saw when he turned before. And if that fucking tree is closer, I wonder if he's going to perk up. It's so exciting. Your fucking heart's pounding. And I'm breathing.

I'm doing all these breathing exercises to slow my heart rate down so much fun man so much fun and then i'm always whenever it gets dark around that spot i'm always wondering about cats yeah because there's so many cats there i'm always wondering what if there's an old one who can't really catch deer anymore he's like that thing looks good that thing looks slow as fuck yeah it's that origin camouflage makes you look maybe like caramel or something. Yeah, it smells like coffee and sugar. Yeah, he's like jacked up on RTDs and like. Yeah, like I worry about cats.

You do? Yeah, but once I saw one in Utah, I was with my friend Colton and we were maybe 30 yards away. He stops the truck and he goes, look at that cat. He goes, look at that fucking lion under the tree. And I look and I see his eyes glowing. And I'm like, oh my God, he's huge. And then I get the binos out.

So I'm inside the truck and I'm looking in his fucking face. It was terrifying. He was so big. He had these massive forearms dude just jacked forearms and this big old pumpkin head i mean it was a big male cat and i was like i've never seen one that big i'd seen little ones before i saw like a one that looked like it was about like 60 pounds and the other one was pretty much the same size there's only two cats i've ever seen before.

And I saw them like very briefly. This motherfucker was just sitting there under a tree at dusk with a big fucking head, man. And just the feeling of helplessness was overwhelming. That like if that thing decided to jump me, it's over. You're done. There's not a thing you're gonna be able to do. It's so much stronger, It's a gigantic house cat.

Yeah. Do you guys have cats? Not anymore. No. But I've had cats many years. And cats kill so much shit. They do. They kill so much shit.

It's always a debate. Like, my wife and I have gone back and forth on, like, do we get a cat? Do we not get a cat? And there's some, they carry some parasite, I guess. Toxop i guess toxoplasmosis yeah yeah yeah mostly the wild cats get it is that what it is it's from like wild it's from rats oh this is okay it's a it is a wild parasite and there's a guy named robert sapolsky out of uh is he out of stanford i think he's out of Stanford. Psychologist, brilliant guy. He's done a lot of work on toxoplasmosis.

And toxoplasmosis is the reason why they tell people not to touch women that are pregnant, not to touch their cat's litter box. Because it can really fuck the kid up. And it can really fuck you up too. But what it does with people is wild what it does with people is it makes them more reckless and a disproportionate number of motorcycle victims have tested positive for toxoplasmosis um some countries at one point in time france was as high as 50 of the population was infected by it what yeah it is a wild parasite that changes the way you think. And one of the things it does is parasites are so fascinating because they literally can hijack another body and get it to do different things. So they get inside a rat. The rat gets infected with toxoplasmosis and it rewires the rat's sexual reward system.

The rat now becomes sexually aroused by the smell of cat urine it also completely removes any fear that the rat would have of cats so that the rat goes towards the cat the cat kills the rat needs the rat the only way the parasite can reproduce is inside the cat's gut so the cat which is seemingly unaffected by this parasite is just making it inside of its body And then when it gets out it affects all the creatures around it It probably does affect cats too, but cats are so crazy anyway How would you know just makes them slightly crazier, but with people it makes them wilder Makes them more reckless. Is that why you don't have cats? No, I probably have it. I probably have talk

So I've had feral cats. I had a feral cat for a while. He was nuts. He was so nuts that when I had to fix him, he was like, I guess he's like, when I got him, a friend of mine had these cats under her apartment. And her and her boyfriend captured these cats, these little kittens. And she goes, you want a kitten? And I had a cat already.

I'm like, oh, I'll get my cat a friend. And so I get this fucking cat. And the moment I see it, it's a tiny little thing. It's a tiny thing. It's hissing at you like it's a demon. And I pick it up and it instantly starts purring. Purring loud. Like a foster kid who's finally been hugged.

You know what I mean? Just purring And I was like oh I was poor little dude so to get him accustomed to me I had to stay in one of the bedrooms in this house that I was renting just with him So I brought some books in there I brought his litter box and I brought cat food and I just hung out with this fucking cat I brought his litter box and I brought cat food and I just hung out with this fucking cat for like days in this room. And I had to do it that way because every time I would leave when I'd come back in, he would literally climb the walls just hissing and jumping and clawing at the drapes. It was wild.

And then I would corner him and I'd touch him and he would start purring it. And then I'd pick him up and I'd start petting him. And then I'd just sit there like reading a book. and I did it for days to get this cat comfortable with me And it worked. Yeah, I was the only one he was comfortable with though Anybody else came over that you could not pick him up. You try to pick him up He would fuck you up like he'd bite you he'd claw at you. But with me he was cool It was weird, but he was only cool. Like I had to like slowly approach him It was weird, but he was only cool like I had to like slowly approach him His name was Jack Dempsey because Jack Dempsey was a hobo so right that was good name for yeah Yeah, so I I'd pet him and then he'd immediately start purring then I could pick him up

And he's like you're the only one I'm like it's okay You and me buddy. We're good, so I had to get him fixed and I had he must have known that my intentions were different you know then yeah and so he wouldn't let me pick him up and I had to get him into a laundry hamper that was the only one was gonna be able to carry him so I cornered him in the bathroom and he's hissing he's jumping from the tub to the sink and I'm like dude calm the fuck down it's just me calm down so then I get a blanket and I throw the blanket over him and I wrestle him and I stuff him into this

Fucking hamper and I bring him to this guy dr. Craig who was an amazing guy He wound up dying later in a car accident was one of the saddest fucking things. He was the coolest vet ever He was the coolest and I brought him in and I go hey, man. I don't even know if you could do this But he's spraying in my house now. He needs to get fixed. But he's wild. And he's like, how wild? I go, look how I have him. I got him in a hamper. He's in a fucking hamper. It's like bouncing around.

So they had to hold this cat down somehow or another and anesthetize him, put him out, and then they had to fix him. And then brought him back and he was cool. He was fine. Yeah, he was cool with me Yeah, he was always cool with me like we got over whatever that was that I fucking kidnapped him We got over it and he would let me pick him up again

But only me like no my friends no and even people that were over the house all the time. No one could pet him That's actually kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, I probably got toxo from that cat if I had a guess That's one of the reasons why we haven't had him like They they're they are ruthless little murderers. Yeah cats kill billions of birds every year bi in America yeah billions their Billions that is so nuts. What is actual number jamie because it's so crazy you see the number of small mammals and birds that house cats and i look at just house cats kill i look at my dogs and i'm like dude if i leave for like 45 minutes i don't know if you guys are gonna make

it they're just like fluffy you know they live on the couch basically there's like no wolf left in them like so here's the number 20 what 20.7 billion small mammals the journal of nature communications cats kill between 1.4 billion and 3.7 billion birds and between 6.9 billion and 20.7 billion small mammals, such as meadow voles and chipmunks. So that's 20 billion mammals and somewhere between 1.4 billion and 3.7 billion birds. That's crazy. That's crazy. They're fucking murderers. That's like mad respect there because these things are living in our house.

Oh my God. Like that's like mad respect there because like these things are living in our house. Oh my god this one says between 1.3 and 4 billion birds in between 6.3 and 22.3 billion mammals So it's probably going up every year because there's more cats every year because they keep fucking in the wild ones or the you know If you wild cats, they're fucking unbelievable murderers That's fucking wild.

Look at this. Researchers get that a single cat may kill between 100 and 200 mammals annually. Just murderers. Like, I could have a barn cat. Like, that'd be cool. Well, they will definitely keep rats away. Yeah. I mean, they have a function on farms.

They're great. 100%. They're great. They're great. 100%. They're great. They're great at doing that. If you want to have a wild cat, that's the place to have them. They fucking keep everything away. There's this hunting lease that my friend Tyler from Archery Country has. And we went there and there's this cool fucking wild cat that hangs out there.

But he's like domesticated. Like he comes up to you and rubs up against you. And you're like, what's up, little buddy? And that cat just kills everything. All he does is, I mean, i don't think anybody feeds him i think he just wanders around that ranch killing everything he needs to eat that's that's a great life it's a great life for him he's so happy like that cat because he loves people like he's not an he's not a wild cat in a sense that he's not domesticated because he does come right up to you and rubs up against you and you pat him and he rubs over. You can rub his belly.

He's not worried about people at all. Everybody treats him really nice. So he's like a sweet, sweet cat. Right. But no one's feeding him. He's just a little murderer. Just running around eating rats and mice and fucking birds. And I've got a whole new respect for him.

Like reading that I had, I had no context to the billions of animals or the small rodents and shit that they're murdering every year. That's amazing. It is amazing, but it's also kind of crazy that they also seem content

to just chill in an apartment. Like cats don't seem to have a problem being in an apartment. I went out to Ryan Holiday's bookstore yesterday ryan holiday's bookstore yesterday oh and i just cruised around in there because it's not it's like 20 minutes outside of town and he's got two cats cruising around in there just like hanging out in the book yeah hanging out in the bookstore and uh like laying on boxes and running around it's like that's fucking cool man that's cool yeah yeah look i love cats it's just like my kids are alerted to them.

It's a real problem. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And my wife's alerted to them, too. But I prefer dogs. But my dog is an amazing dog, but he's dumb as shit, too. Well, that's the golden— And so I just got him back from the hospital.

I'm going to send this to you, Jamie, so you can see these pictures. I just got him back. you, Jamie, so you can see these pictures. I just got him back. So we came home the other night, and Marshall had eaten chicken food that was outside on gravel, but he didn't bother to differentiate between the gravel and the chicken food, so he ate about two pounds of gravel. I'm not exaggerating. Two pounds of gravel. It was pounds of gravel. There was so much gravel that he ate that he threw up. That's a pile of gravel that he threw up. That's one of seven piles of gravel. Show the other picture that I just sent you.

That's my foot for reference. I just sent you another one. That one. So that, we found that. Oh my gosh. That's all gravel that he threw up. So that's once he threw up like six times in the house, and then the seventh time, it looks like he threw up several different times there. So I took him to the emergency vet, and they do an x-ray, and he still has gravel in his stomach and gravel in his colon.

And they're not as concerned about the gravel in his colon, but they were concerned about the gravel in his stomach. So I had to take him to a hospital where he stayed overnight for two days and they gave him liquid therapy. They put an IV to him and they monitored him and they made sure that he was okay. And he eventually shit out all the gravel and they didn't have to do surgery, but there was a concern that there could be an obstruction, but they finally let him out today and he's fine but it's like that's the kind of shit you have to deal with if you have pets that's he ate gravel he had two pounds of gravel my my

golden's name is potato and i rebranded him because his first name was maximus and we were driving down the road one day i was like this this dog needs a naming rebrand because his fucking brain is like a potato. And then that was it. His name is potatoes. Does he have his balls? Yeah. No, he,

he was, uh, we, we adopted him. He was like two years old when we got him. I've got a golden doodle on a golden, uh, so they're just one's beans,

one's potato. The other one's Dr. Beans. I've met Dr. Yeah. Dr. Beans is beans is the best he's like he's a cool dog yeah he's the chillest of the chill i i i'm not like a cat hater but i absolutely prefer dogs there's a thing i have a relationship with my dog he's like my friend yeah like i come home i could talk to him he listens to me he kind of knows what i'm saying you know like there's little things that we do like uh you want to get the ball he just pops up like let's fucking go these videos of me with him with the ball i've never been more excited in my

life about anything maybe other than elk hunting right this dog is fucking bouncing around he's going and every day i'm like is he gonna be bored we do this ball. Yeah, every day. There's not a fucking day where he's bored He's like the balls out. Holy shit. We're gonna do the ball It's like he's so simple But if you had a guy come in and you're like you want to get the elk you want to get the elk Joe? You probably be the same way you know fuck. Yeah. No the thing is With elk hunting the only way it's real exciting is if it's hard Yeah with elk hunting, the only way it's really exciting is if it's hard. Yeah. Like, that's what was so exciting about that hunt that you watch from a distance.

It's like, I had to, like, creep in on this fucking dude and hope the wind didn't shift. I had to creep in on this dude and hope that he didn't catch me moving. I had to hope that there was a window where I could draw, where he wasn't going to be... Because once he gets up, what if he's getting up facing me and I can't draw?

And I'm trying to figure out when do I draw. There's a lot going on. And I'm like, I know I arranged him at 50, but I took two steps What is this right here? Is it 50? Is it 48? Is it 47? Like where do I aim? There's so much going on that that's what when it's successful. That's what's so exciting that it's hard to do Yeah, the balls fucking he knows that balls coming every day. Yeah, he's so excited instant gratification Did you shoot that bow yesterday? Yes. So what's the difference it's smoother it's better. Yeah, they made a few significant changes There's a new Hoyt bow that just came out. What are they calling it? See if you can find it the keep hammer in addition these the VX m33 did you go up are you still at 80 or did

you go up I have two bows I have an 80 and a 90 okay yeah so ones at 81 or 82 and the other ones at 90 can you feel the difference yeah you feel when you pull yeah what about an accuracy well they're both super, super accurate. The thing is you just can't shoot as many arrows in a day with a 90-pound bow. I've figured that out a long time ago, which is why I got an 80. I have a 60 at the studio, which is like a kid's bow. It's amazing. You draw it back.

It's just like so easy. And I just use that one for practicing my form and because it's just nice to have a bow at the studio. And then there's the 80 that I shot Elon Musk's Cybertruck with. Dude. That just happened to be laying around here too. That thing just bounced right off of it. That was actually one of the fucking coolest videos I've seen in a long time.

It's pretty cool. He let me shoot his truck with a bow. He's like, oh yeah, you want to go shoot it? Let's shoot it. Yeah. Okay. So it's got a little scratch on it now forever. The tiniest scratch, too.

Right. And it's a fucking heavy-ass arrow from an 80-pound bow. And it didn't do shit to that door. Just blew it up. Blew up the arrow. But the new Hoyts, one of the things about bows, for people who don't know, unlike firearms, which are essentially, like, if you have a, like, aIG P365, that's what that gun is. Like if you got that gun five years ago, like they made a comp version of the 365, so they put compensation in the barrel, which makes it a little better, a little easier to shoot.

But they make essentially the same kind of gun with small improvements for years and years. Like if you buy a five-year-old gun, it's still a top-of-the-line gun, right? Bows, somehow or another, through engineering and these fucking wizards, they make them better incrementally every year. They really do. Like I noticed the difference between last year's bow and the year before. Like the moment I shot, I was I was like wow this is smoother and one day um just for the fuck of it I picked up the previous year's bow and I was noticing a difference I was like oh this doesn't feel as good the the draw cycle's not as good the release doesn't feel as smooth but it was better than the year before

right and so last year's bow was like this is are they going to top this? This bow is amazing. It's so accurate. It's so smooth. Boom. They did it. They topped it. They keep making them better. They're more efficient.

They pull back smoother. They're more dead in the hand. This bow feels like nothing when it goes off. Really? Nothing. It goes off. There's like zero vibration. It's incredible whatever they're doing in terms of like there's a particular design of their riser that the the vibration even if it goes

through the bow on the shot almost none of it is going through your hand right it's incredibly like dead in the hand which you know leads you to be more accurate there's everything is about accuracy and efficiency and smoothness and comfort. Have you transitioned over to that stand clicker yet? Have you tried that thing? I do like that, but I keep going back to the Noctuit because the thing about the stand clicker is this is nerd dog first. Yes. It makes your draw length one quarter inch longer because it's one quarter inch longer than the head of the knock to it Which I'm so accustomed to yeah, so all my anchor points are slightly different

so with the stand the string is just like quarter inch further forward and There's something about that that maybe I have to get used to maybe if I pull harder on the wall I maintain the same stability or maybe if I extend my arm out a little bit more I maintain the same stability. Or maybe if I extend my arm out a little bit more, I maintain the same stability. I'd have to transition and try it because I've been using Dudley's archery releases for so long, like between the two smooth, the hinge, which I really like, and then his other one, the knock to it, which is the thumb button that I really like. I'm just so used to those. I'm i keep going back like i've tried

you know stand clicker the stand non-clicker i think it's the t i've had the hinge i've had a bunch of these and i keep coming back i'm i'm the most accurate hands down with a knock to it i think it's just because i've got so many reps it feels so natural and now that i've got that thing dialed to like super hot hot sauce sauce. Yeah, it's hot sauce. You breathe on it wrong and it goes off. You got to be careful with those. You got to always check them because I've had it when those are really hot with Carter releases. Well, they'll go off just based on the amount of tension that's on the string because I'm pulling so much weight.

Right. So I always, wherever I like it, I crank it a little bit stiffer now. Just a little bit. Just a it I crank it a little bit stiffer now just a little bit I wanted so I could put my thumb on it and know that the slightest amount of back pressure that motherfucker's going off just the slightest amount so when I get that and then I go to my shot process I don't have any concerns about it going off. It's just everything's there. Let's fucking go. And it's off. And I feel like that to me is the most accurate.

And there's a lot of different schools. A lot of people like it very heavy. And what they do is they hook the button in here in the crook of their thumb. And then they pinch their finger around it. And they can get a good grip. And then they're just all pulling with their back muscles and that makes it go off and you can do that too but that's i think that's because they want an absolute surprise shot because they're concerned they're going to punch the trigger in that moment but i think the real thing is about controlling that moment the real thing is about staying cool in that moment.

And that's the hardest part of it. And I think the less anxiety you have about your release, the better. I know that motherfucker's going off if I wanted to. But I also know how to do the shot process correctly. So that's my little, what I've learned is I like it hot. Yeah. I like that bitch hot. Yeah.

That's where I'm at because I had mindset way too tight. And I would be, you know, essentially be pulling and pressing on the release slow, like looking at it kind of like a firearm trigger. Like slow pressure, build the pressure straight back, like no deviation. And I'd go through this entire shot process from the rifle that i was incorporating into the bow but i'm too i'm taking too much time on the back end really building into my thumb release versus when you're ready and everything's dialed you know you've you've you've get your ring overlap your levels good everything's set it's time to go it's time to go you know, you've, you've, you've get your ring overlap, your level's good, everything's set. It's time to go. It's time to go. You can't be building to the shot.

It's like, that is the way to go. Yeah. The way to go is hot sauce with a good shot process, but you have to have a controlled shot process. Like in my mind, I have like a whole process, that Joel Turner process that I put myself through. So it's really just all about not hammering the trigger over anxiety. It's really all just about staying calm and letting it happen and knowing exactly what you're doing. Do you concentrate on breathing through your nose and trying to get more oxygen as you're going through your thought process or do you just open your mouth? I concentrate on breathing through my nose when I'm calming myself down as I'm moving towards more oxygen as you're going through your thought process or do you just open your mouth i concentrate on breathing through my nose when i'm calming myself down as i'm moving towards the show like

when in that particular moment like my heart was pounding as i was closing the gap because i was like i think i'm gonna get this motherfucker and there was it's exciting like stalking on a bedded elk is very exciting you know because that's you got to get i was trying i had to get within 50 yards because there was a log in front of him there was just like this this down tree and the only gap was i had to go up up above him and 50 yards and when i'm doing this as i'm like creeping in there there's so much anticipation that your heart's just fucking pounding and that's what i'm doing the breathing exercises but once i get there i'm

telling myself that i'm calm once i'm there i'm like i'm not allowing myself to get ramped up again once i'm in position so once i'm in position it's just task oriented it's just that i'm just i'm just completely locked in on his vitals and my shot process that's all i'm thinking about and what i like about hot sauce is when I get to that spot and I'm at full draw, there's no other things to think about. I got that pin on his vitals. My bubble's leveled. Everything feels good.

Pow, pow. Whack. And then you can have fun. Then you can go back to just being a normal human. But in that moment, for me, I have to be task-oriented. If I'm thinking about it, I'm not thinking, I hope I don't miss, none of that shit. I'm not letting any of that in. All I'm thinking is task.

I have a task, very clear task. And there's going to be weird decisions that I'm going to have to make because who knows what he's going to do when he gets up. Is he going to go left? Is he going to go right? What if that asshole steps behind the tree? Now I'm fucked again. I have no shot.

If he, if he just stepped and went left, which they do all the time. Now I'm behind that log again and I'm fucked. Do you, do you have any anxiety or, um, that same type of build where your, your heart starts to increase as you're stepping on stage at any stage? No. No, you have none of that left. No, I had that in the beginning. Yeah. Yeah, in the beginning, there was a full panic.

But now, you have zero now. No, now it's just exciting. Now it's like, now I have a whole thing I do where I get myself ramped up. I jump around. I stretch before I go. I smoke another word. Occasionally, I have a whole thing I do where I get myself ramped up. I jump around. I stretch before I go. I smoke another word. Occasionally I have a little cocktail. But the whole idea is just get loose, get loose,

which is the best thing about comedy is you're doing it with a bunch of other people that are doing comedy. It's almost like you're all going on stalks together. So we're all hanging out in the green room talking shit, and we're all going on the same show. So we're having fun, and it's like everybody's lively. Right. So you think you just don't want to go on stage cold. You would never want to go on stage, you would never want to wake up like alarm clock, get up, ladies and gentlemen, Evan Hafer.

You'd be like, it would be terrible. It would take a while for you to warm up. It'd take a while for you to get into the groove. So you've got to be at entertainment groove as you step on stage. So there's anticipation, but there's nothing like the anxiety of elk hunting. Nothing's even close. It has that strange effect because I don't get hardly any anxiety ever for anything, really. Like, unless I'm in a car wreck or something, right?

Where I'm not trying to do that. But elk hunting, for some reason, you get in front of this animal. You get ramped up. And you get ramped up. And I'm always talking to myself, like, what the fuck? It's not like the swords on this thing's head are going to come after you. Like, why are you doing this? Right.

Like, why is your body doing what it's doing right now? So I have to have this whole process of like, calm myself down, breathe through my nose. Yeah. And then once I get into the shot, it's, it's fine. But building into that shot, for some reason, you start going, I need to wear a heart monitor and just watch to see how high that thing gets as you're moving in on a stock on the animal. Because as you're building into that moment, there's that time before you can settle into that position where you're questioning, like, why am am I so so ramped up right now I don't exactly know why so then you have to dial everything back pull everything back into perspective focus on what you're doing and then once you have a task and the task is there then

it seems to just settle down and get right back into the moment. Yeah, once you have the task, once it's in front of you, it's moving into position. But sometimes I can stop it. When I was in Utah, we were on this one ridge, and on this other ridge was this big bull that was running these cows. He was the king of the mountain. You could see by his body this is an old bull, and he's running these cows, but he's way over

He's a like you got to go down and all the way up He's way too far for us to end the way we're out in the open There's no way you're gonna plant a stalk on this bull in the position that he's at especially with the the way the thermals are all going up So we start moving Down this this Canyon and as we're moving down this canyon, the bull just randomly decides to run his cows down into the bottom. And we're realizing, oh shit, this can happen. And so as that's happening, I stop myself from getting ramped up.

Completely stopped it. ramped up completely stopped it i just recognized it was possibly coming because he's he's i see him making his way down this ridge right and he's going right to where we're going and we know that there's a pond down there so if the pond is where he's going he's going to go to get a drink and he's going to come right down through this bottom and that's where he's going to be at and i stayed calm the entire time i never let myself ramp up i I never got ramped up. I mean, I was probably above normal heart rate, but I was pretty fucking calm. And then he came right out to 62 yards. It was perfect. He was right out there.

It was perfect. Everything went, drew back, whacked him, watched him go 30 yards and pile up. And it was watching the whole thing play. And at the end of it, then I was like, that was pretty calm. I say pretty common, that one,

like for whatever reason, I never got, I stopped it as it was happening. Yeah. I would imagine the more reps you get in the, yeah, but the next one was like a month later, I was super ramped up because I think it was the stock part of it. The,

the creeping in is like more sneaky than anything. This was like an ambush. Right, right. You know? There's something about like creeping in on them. Yeah, there's the momentum, right? You're letting the drama build to the story. You're like, okay, we know what's going to happen.

Do you think, have you talked about this with Cam? Does he still get ramped up at all? He's pretty calm. His resting heart rate has to be like three. Yeah. I think that certainly helps. I think the amount of cardio that you do has an effect on how you can maintain your heart rate. It just must.

It has to. And if someone has like a low resting heart rate, I would just imagine they'd have more control on bringing their heart down. It just makes sense. Totally makes sense, you know? And he's just caught. He's done it so much, man. Yeah. That he's like, he just, he's a killer.

He knows how to stay calm under pressure. And there was like one yard kills that one video that he had. Oh my God, that was insane. That was crazy. Dude. One yard, like a yard and a half or whatever he was from that thing. It was as far as you are to me. God, man, that's nuts.

Nuts. Like that guy, I went out and did his podcast a couple months ago. We had so much fun. He's such a fantastic human. Very infrequently do you just bump into people you're like that guy salt of the earth yeah he's exactly like he's he's he's reached and then he's gone way above expectation as far as the type of person he is like he's awesome yeah he's an amazing person so this dude named shaffer he made a rap song about Cam and we played it on

the podcast the other day. It's number eight in the hip hop charts now. Seriously? In the all around hip hop charts. And it was number, no, I think it's number six now. And it was number like 90 in all songs. It's a rap song about a bow hunter And it's number six in the hip hop charts Yeah Cause that makes sense Yeah just cause we talked about it It's bonkers It's a good song though

The guy's good Kid's fucking talented I'll have to check it out Yeah but it's just nuts I have to piss so bad Let's piss we'll come back Alright But yeah it's all random shit

How's the Carnivore guy I have to piss so bad. Let's piss. We'll come back. All right. But yeah, it's all random shit. How was the carnivore guy? He was great. Yeah. He was great. He's still alive. Crazy. Guy's eating only meat for seven years.

It's fucking wild. It's wild. He's thriving. Are you still doing only meat? Yeah, I cheat every now and then. Saturday night I cheated. I had sushi. But sushi was great but I felt like shit afterwards.

I felt like I ate a brick. I never feel like that if I just eat. Yeah, it's just right. I ate a lot though. I overate. I overordered and they were really nice

and I felt obligated to keep eating. Thanksgiving you don't do potatoes, nothing like that. I did this Thanksgiving. But most other days, like today for breakfast I had elk sausage, eggs, and bacon.

That's a normal breakfast for me. Yeah. I don't know. I steer clear of, I think I just meat, vegetables, and a limited amount of fruit. Because I still like vegetables. That's the problem with it. Yeah, I like vegetables. I like bok choy.

Yeah. Yeah, I like squash. We some uh sweet potatoes the other night they were great it's not but i've completely cut out everything else like i don't i don't drink hardly at all like very very limited um everything is gone like no breads no rice that's good nothing if you can do that you'll feel better oh yeah it sounds nuts but the way he described it you know and the studies that he shows there's enough evidence to point to that at least for some people that's a very beneficial way to eat and live but i think really what it is is this thing of eating only meat most i think i think for sure meat's very nutritious but I think a big factor in that is that you're just cutting out all the crap.

Right. And if you just eat only meat and organic vegetables, I don't think that's bad. I don't buy it. I don't buy that salads are bad for you. I think that's crazy. And it's good.

They taste good. Taste good. I think what's bad is the shit they spray on them, for sure. Glyphosate is bad. Seed oils are bad. No one's out there saying seed oils, industrialized seed oils are good for you. They're not.

But olive oil is good for you. So you could have olive oil and balsamic vinaigrette on a nice salad. I don't think that's bad. Some heirloom tomatoes, some onions, some olives, you know? My wife did like a whole gardening thing this year. Ooh, that's nice. So we had this giant garden with heirloom tomatoes and a bunch of stuff.

It was amazing. It was awesome. Dude, when you get an heirloom tomato, right off the vine, slice that bad boy up, put a little salt on it, a little balsamic vinaigrette. Chop up some avocados oh yeah it's amazing amazing so is there anything that's worse for the environment than avocados it's like avocados and almonds yeah almonds yeah they it's like 10 gallons of water for one almond to see people like

shoveling them down you're like oh there's where all uh california's water goes right there oh but i was reading this thing um recently but i think the discovery was from 2021 about a new very inexpensive method of desalination is that i say it salination i know what you mean yeah how do you say that how do you say the word yeah but anyway removing salt from water so that you could use ocean water. Mm-hmm. But that they were going to be able to have them available in like a home-size version. It's like not even that big, like a suitcase size, I think it is. Really? Yeah, and it can literally desalinate the water that comes from the ocean,

and you could turn it into drinking water. That's like a game-changer. Game-changer. Yeah. But this is what I've always said. Like, I used to have a bit about people wanting to go to Mars. You know, like, America, we have a water problem. I go, we're right next to the fucking ocean.

The last thing we have in California is a water problem. We have a salt problem. There's so much fucking water. It could eat us up. It could literally devour the entire state with one giant wave, and we could be living on the beach in Arizona. This fucking thing moves all the time. There's so much water.

We don't have a water problem. We have a salt problem. Yeah. I think the Israelis have actually figured that out. They have full plants that they're out there doing. I'm going to send this to you, Jamie, because I saved, I think I screenshotted it with the intention of looking it up later to make sure it's legitimate. But I'm pretty sure it is. Yeah.

How much stuff do you typically, when you're thinking about, how many episodes have you done now? 2,000 something. 2,000? Yeah, and then a bunch of Fight Companions and then a bunch of MMA shows. So it's more than 2,000. When you think about all the different pieces of information that you've cataloged in your head with all these different interviews, I can't imagine the information that you've put out to just in terabytes, as far as the volume is concerned. Now you've got interviews with

Elon from Jordan, from all these different people. That's so much information. How much do you think that you've, you've been able to just store in your head? Not so much. Desalination system could produce fresh water that is cheaper than tap water. MIT engineers and collaborators develop a solar-powered device that avoids salt-clogging issues of other designs. This is from September 27 to 2023. So this, I want to know why I thought it was earlier than that. I found this very similar titled article from a year ago and even 2021 too. Okay. That's probably where I saw it.

So engineers at MIT and in China are aiming to turn seawater into drinking water with a completely passive device that is inspired by the ocean and then powered by the sun. That's fucking amazing. This is where science is incredible. The configuration of the device allows water to circulate in swirling eddies in a manner similar to much larger, hmm, what's that word, thermohaline circulation of the ocean. This circulation combined with the sun's heat drives water to evaporate, leaving the salt behind. The resulting water vapor could then be condensed and collected as pure, drinkable water.

In the meantime, the leftover salt continues to circulate through and out of the Device rather than accumulating and clogging the system That's amazing and then also couldn't you just recapture the salt and use it seems like it Produces about four to six liters of drinking water per hour and lasts several years before requiring replacement parts One of the things that Gary Brecco was saying that I found shocking was that some Himalayan salt, like you always think of Himalayan salt as super

healthy. He said, no, some of it has mercury in it because some of it, the way they mine it, if they get too close to certain areas that contain mercury, it can be contaminated with mercury. And he was recommending Celtic salt over Himalayan salt.

See if we can find any articles on that. So you can actually get Celtic salt. Yeah, Celtic salt. I don't know. I don't know. Because you just order it. You got to hope they're telling the truth. One thing I found out through this lady

that was a beekeeper that came on here, she goes, a lot of the honey you buy is bullshit. Like when people are buying honey, they're buying like corn syrup. They think they're buying honey. It's like some honey. It's like drugs. They're cutting it with baby powder.

Yeah. One of my really close friends, that's what he does. He's a beekeeper. So I've been out there like helping him with the bees. Oh, it's saying Celtic sea salt and Himalayan sea salt can expose your children to too much lead, mercury, and other heavy metals. Whoa. So Celtic salt can have it too. So none detected.

So it looks like what's the best salt? So Celtic gray sea salt. It seems like it has a lot of mercury. It's lead. Blue is lead. It's a lot of lead. Mediterranean sea salt. So what has the least lead seems like Israeli sea salt.

Of course it does. I don't know who made this test. Right. Did the Israel Times put this out? I don't know. There is mercury, though. No pink salt does not contain mercury. Unrefined sea salt.

There is definitely minerals in it, but also other minerals in it. But who's saying it doesn't include mercury? Where does it say no? You said no, sea salt does not. It said pink salt. It didn't say sea salt. It said specifically pink salt. No, pink salt does not contain mercury.

Okay, but some can. Is that people that are selling it? Yes, it's from Nepal. Okay, maybe from can. But it's a- Is that people that are selling it? Yes, it's from Nepal. Okay, maybe from Nepal it doesn't contain mercury. What they were saying, I think what Gary Brekker was saying was some of it's from China that contains mercury. Well, that's not Himalayan, then, is it? Well, I guess it technically is. I don't know.

You know, I don't know. I mean, when I'm buying salt, I'm not really looking into it. You know what's really fucking good? What is that, there's this veteran-owned company. Is it Firecracker? Firecracker. Yeah. Dude. Dude. That stuff's legit. It's so legit.

Here's something that you can do, which is you put a little bit of that in your coffee. I'm telling you, dude, it's good. It is good. I bet it'd be good in bone broth. Oh my gosh, man. That stuff, like hard-boiled eggs, game changer on hard-boiled eggs. I'll make, the other day I had some people over and I was like just chopping up hard-boiled eggs. This is it right here, Firecracker Farm.

Yeah, I love this guy. Super legit. Yeah. And tastes good, too. It's amazing. Yeah. Because sauces come with all the, like the sauce, right? And this, this sounds like a straight up commercial.

It's not, I love this guy and I love his product. It's awesome. So you know the dude who's running this company? Yeah, we DM each other back and forth all the time. Oh, that's cool. And he sent me and Mike Glover and Andy a bunch of this stuff. And most of the time I'm like, eh.

I think I found out about it from Eddie Gallagher. Oh yeah, Eddie loves it too. It's legit. It's very legit. It's hot as shit. I put something, when I got it, I cranked it out, put it in my hand and licked it. I was like, whoa, daddy. My daughter had some kids over and they were messing around in the kitchen and they got

some in their fucking eyes. Oh my God. Oh my gosh. You know what's shockingly legit? This stuff. Wicked Cuts, Carolina Killer beef jerky. Is that hot. Oh my God. Oh my gosh. You know what's shockingly legit? This stuff. Wicked Cuts, Carolina Killer Beef Jerky. Is that hot?

Oh my God, is it hot. It's like hot sauce. Like fucking Carolina Reaper hot. Okay, all right. Like uncomfortable hot. It's like damn. Because you think like a big company like Wicked Cuts,

they're not going to fuck you up. They're going to give you a little hot. It's like if you get one of them, what is it, Burger King has a spicy Whopper, like a ghost Whopper. Sure you do. You're not fucking anybody up with that Whopper. This stuff will fuck you up.

Really? Oh, it'll fuck you up. You want trapeze? Yeah. It'll fuck you up. Throw me some. It's legit. It's good, too.

It's moist. I hope it's not like preservatives that make it moist like that. You know, you always wonder. Because, like, whenever I get jerky from like the butcher, like I'll have some of my elk turned into jerky. It's not the most moist. No. You know?

It's dry. It's tough. But it's good. It's delicious. It's good for your jaw muscles. Yeah. I started using one of those stupid jaw muscle things. I have one of those.

You do too? Yeah. Yeah. I use that all the time. I use it while I'm doing, I actually learned this from this guy that I follow on Instagram. Shout out to Bill Maeda. He,

uh, he does it while he does neck exercises. I'm like, Oh, that's legit. Put one in your mouth while you're doing the iron neck. It's legit, right?

Mm. Spicy as fuck. Right? Yeah. Like shockingly, shockingly. Yeah. Like,

yo, you're not playing. That's legit? Yeah. Like, shockingly. Shockingly hot. Yeah. Like, yo, you're not playing. That's legit. Woo. Like. I like a hot sauce, man. Senor Lechuga, you know, half-faced blades. They did a combo with Senor Lechuga. Yeah.

And they put out this, it's like, it's got dried tomatoes sun-dried tomatoes it's got um i forget what the hot is but it's also got truffles it's fucking so good and it's hot it's got like real senor lechuga is so so we we did three we put together three different sauces that i love that are like a collection and one of them them is the Half Face Blades version. So Half Face Blades, by the way, awesome company. They make fucking amazing knives. And he's actually making me a set of chef knives and a couple other knives with the antler shed from the big bull that I killed with you two years ago. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. So we got a shed from that bull and he's making uh knife handles yeah i got some out of my moose that i killed with dudley a few years ago and it was a dink it was like a tiny little bull moose but delicious nonetheless and i got a bunch of chef knives from him oh that's so cool it was so so cool. And they're, you know, it's ceremonial, right? You pull them down off the rack, you're cutting into the steaks or the moose meat or whatever it is that you're eating. It's phenomenal.

From an animal that you harvested. Everybody loves them. They're like, these are fucking awesome. Yeah, that's killer. Yeah. Yeah, stuff like that's killer. My point was, Senor Lechuga hot sauce, that's another one.

Like, if you like it hot but tasty senior lechuga will fuck you up that stuff fucks you up right dude I ate a whole bag of it and I was playing pool and I had my stomach was hurting I was like oh boy I was like this is rough yeah that's no joke yeah like that is no joke. Yeah, like, surprisingly, for a big company to put out a beef jerky that's that spicy? Woo! So what's next? What's going on? Like, from a context of, like, you just opened up your club.

What's the next big thing? Are you going on tour? I don't know. I'm thinking about starting touring again. I think right now I'm just having fun. And, you know, now that hunting hunting season's over I can chill. I'm getting back into jiu-jitsu I want to do that soon and then Just fucking enjoying my time. Yeah, that's it. I Think we were talking about this it in California

Did you build this? Here like as part of getting reps in, just getting rep after rep? Yeah. Well, I built it because there wasn't a home base here. Right. When all these comics came out with me, we moved out and we found out that we could perform in Austin. And for comedians, performing is like a drug. It's like you can't perform.

LA shut everything down for so long. And then the grapevine got out that like from november 2020 we were doing shows here totally irresponsibly indoors and they were like what they're doing comedy indoors in austin this is crazy the packed shows and put them up on instagram people like what the fuck this is nuts and so many comics started moving here and then i realized what we missed about la we missed about the comedy store was that was home base and that you need like comedians need a community You need like a home club you need where a bunch of comics hang out you fuel each other everybody inspires each other You know when you're seeing these guys like Bryan Simpson going up and murder

And he's doing all this new material and Shane Gillis is going up and murder and Tony Hinchcliffe is going up and murder There's like a feeling in the building like there's a an excitement to the building and that's what I wanted to create here I wanted to create a real home for these comics and I also wanted to create a real development platform I think that was that's a that's a key part of comedy clubs that's missing from these places that just want to make money because you could take your Sunday and Monday and just bring in headliners and pack the house and make a lot of money. Or you can do open mic nights and develop talent and have these people have a real opportunity

to get up at the best comedy club on earth for the very first time ever and go up and do a couple of minutes of jokes and see if you can get a laugh. And you never know. You might be good. You might have it in you. You might be that fuck up in school that they always told you you're going to be a loser. But you have a funny way of saying things. And you go up and maybe you have some insight that other people, maybe they would be too scared to say.

Or maybe they wouldn't notice it. Or maybe you'd point something out. You never fucking know. And the only way you get to develop talent is if you have some sort of a place for people to perform that aren't any good, that are just starting out. And so we set aside two nights for that. Every Sunday and every Monday we have open mic night. And we also have people that work there are aspiring comedians. All the door people, they all had to audition with their act.

So the talent coordinator, Adam, had to go and watch them perform and there was this giant audition for door people for people to get jobs at the club so there's this feeling in the club like everybody's coming up everybody's coming up together when everybody's doing good as Asan, who's a, just a fucking amazing dude and hilarious comedian who's at the club all the time. He said, whenever something happens with the door people or anybody else in the club, everybody always says, we up,

we up. I'm like, that's amazing. That's amazing. Something cool happens. We up, we up. And they'll yell it like,

that's cool. It's great. So that, that, that environment,, that's what I wanted to create. That was the goal. But it's way better than I thought it could be. It's like I had an idea. I was like, let's just do it the best we can. And it turns out you got some Spotify money.

You can throw in a problem. You can make it really good. And have it set up where the comedians get paid really well and everybody gets taken care of and you feel really good about it. And it's a fun place to work and it's a good environment for everybody. That's what I wanted. So that's what we put together. It almost seems like the,

the center of gravity from comedy is moved off the coast to Austin. And I, and I, I think, and I'm probably not the first person to say that, but you're the guy that is kind of moved the epicenter of comedy over here. I gave him a spot. I created a spot.

I mean, it was, it was me because I financed it and it was my idea, but it was also, we all need a spot. And if one of us can do it and put it together I'm a good person to do that right because that's a lot of what I like to do I like to help people I like to blow people up

I really do I love to have people on that I think are talented and let the world know about them and I like to When I talk about things whether it's you know on my Instagram or on the podcast 99% of the time I have no affiliation with those things. I just think these are good things. People should see these good things. I don't think, oh, I should get a piece of that. I just think these are good things.

These good things should make more money. This business should be bigger. This comedian should be more popular. This musician should be known. People should read this book. These are good things. Just put good things out as much as you can and so that was my idea with this comedy club just get great comics pay them well and have a place where people can go where they know that they're going to be

able to work on their act everyone's phones locked up so people aren't distracted they're not filming things and just having a good fucking time enjoying this just let's just work together and fucking all get better together and have a real home base and i had the ability to do it and so i said it's kind of my obligation to do it like the universe put me in this place where all of a sudden i moved out of la all of a sudden i'm in texas and all these other comedians come out here with me and like who's gonna do it if I'm not doing it? I have to do it. So we just went and did it.

And with a fucking grab of, Ron White grabbed me by my shoulders when he got off stage. The first time he got on stage, he hadn't done stand-up in like over a year, I think it was, or close to it. And he grabs me by my shoulders. He goes, whatever the fuck we got to do.

He goes, you're going to open up that club. We're going to do this. Like he hadn't done stand- in so long and he was so, he fucking murdered. And he went on stage and it was this giant standing ovation. It was insane. I wish we filmed it because it was such a beautiful moment. It was his first time doing standup forever.

And he was kind of genuinely like concerned about it. He listened to his material. He went over his notes, worked on it all fucking day. And so he went up that night he was just on it just on it and so you know ron white is like he's a good friend but he's also kind of a hero like to me like in comedy he's like he's a legend right so like ron we have ron white here like course. What do you want to do? You want to open up a club? I'll buy a club. I'm like, let's do it.

And so that was the, you know, this was the second place I bought, right? I told you about the first place. It was owned by a cult. Yeah. He told me to buy that place too. You did? Yes. You should buy that place owned by the cult.

Fucking beautiful theater. It was on BK's Road. Fucking gorgeous theater. Owned by aK's Road. Fucking gorgeous theater. Home by a cult. Boy, then I watched the cult document. I'm like, oh, fucking no. What is this? What happened here?

There's so much bad juju going on in that building. So many bad vibes. So many people lost their lives. Like literally lost their lives forever in that building. That's fucking wild. It's wild yeah it's still a theater i think they still do shows there god they built that theater for that dude to dance in front of his followers that's like a whole other that's a whole other segue is like

how how like crazy you know cult leaders are and what type of personality that person is and like what happens to people. I love those mockumentaries that a few people have done around cult leaders. And I think there's a series on Netflix that went into like a three-part episode. Yeah, How to Be a Cult Leader, I think it's called. Yeah, it's fucking hilarious.

Well, it's just like you were talking about before, about 15% of the people have an IQ lower than 85. And some people just want to be led. There's a bunch of people, a bunch, who are really lost and never developed the tools to be personally responsible for themselves. They never developed the ability to be autonomous. They never developed the ability to have their own thoughts and the objective analysis of all the information and coming up with a rational conclusion.

And they don't have people around them that could bounce these ideas off, that they respect, that they can go, what about this? And that person go, yeah, but you have to also consider this. And you're like, yeah, you do, right? Right. Hmm. Okay. So what is really going on? yeah, but you have to also consider this. And you're like, yeah, you do. Right. Right. Hmm. Okay. So what is really going on?

Like they don't have that in their life. And so some fucking dude comes along and he's wearing Speedos and he does yoga and he tells you, he can give you the knowing and you can be in touch with God and you just fucking, you buy into it and it's, it feels better than being by yourself and you're hanging out with all these people and everyone's cooking together and you're doing yoga together. Seems good. Seems great. It seems like a good time like that wild wild country

yeah yeah you remember that yeah that's great me and my friend todd were talking about this once and he's he's a real sweet guy he's a funny guy but he was like in the beginning he's like god i want to live like that he goes it all goes bad at the end but in the beginning like god i want to live like that i kind of want to live like that. I kind of want to live like that, too. Everybody wants to be a part of something bigger than them. And especially if it's like a cool community where everybody's nice to each other and you're all like you're all connected to God and you're all like part of this movement of spreading love and hope throughout the world. Seems great in the beginning. Yeah, it seems utopic. Yeah. Seems great in the beginning.

Yeah, it seems utopic. Yeah. It's like a drug. I think people have this natural inclination to look towards a leader. So it's like looking towards an alpha chimp in a pack or the leader of a tribe is a natural inclination to look to someone who gets it. And if your brain's not that good,

someone can come along and fucking throw Scientology in your face. You're like, I like it. I like it. I like it. I get my own planet when I die? You can convince them. You can fucking sell it.

Especially if you're successful. If you're running a giant church, clearly you must know what you're doing. You just pulled up in a Rolls Royce. This guy knows what he's doing. He's a cult leader. He comes out. People are like opening the door for him. They're calling him the beloved.

Like, he must be legit. Maybe I found the real guy. Yeah. A real guy is attached to God energy. How do you think about that from a leadership perspective? You know, you've had a ton of guys on, but you find yourself as a leader. You find yourself as a voice. Like, does that come natural? Is that something?

I just do my best to be like the best version of me that I can be. And if that also, if part of that is talking about the things that I've learned, then I do that. But there's no part of me that says like, I need to be a leader. There's no, I don't, I think you could really fuck your head up if you start believing that. And I think that's where the cult starts. That's what the cult started. The guy was, I'm a leader. I need to teach these people. They need to follow my way. It's like, probably not. Maybe you need a leader too too maybe all everybody needs to like work together maybe that's a better option like i think the whole leader thing is like there might be people that you admire or you see them as uh someone who is a great example of how to live life like whether

it's jocko or many of these people that like put that out there like jocko is one of the best examples of it like he's written books about extreme ownership and, and that those are, there's valuable, valuable lessons in that kind of stuff. But I think even with guys like him, it comes natural. It is just like this.

He is just telling you what he learned. This is real. This is what you need to do. If you want to get ahead, you got to fucking take accountability for your own life. You got to, you got to embrace your fuck ups, embrace your failures, figure out what you did wrong, regroup, get back after it. And those are super valuable lessons. And you can call him a leader because of those lessons, but really what he's leading is an example of an excellent life. Right.

And that is the best thing that we do for each other we lead by example so you can see a guy who like I Was hanging out with this friend of mine who's this very wealthy guy who owns all these businesses and one of things that I was like super Like inspired by is how nice he is to everyone to everyone everyone he meets He's super friendly and engaging and but genuine like I'm with him all the time So I know if he's turning it on or and but genuine like i'm with him all the time so i know if he's turning it on or turning off it's never off he's like genuinely and he doesn't have any time for negativity he doesn't use email he doesn't fuck with social media and he's a multi-billionaire

right he's just just running his life with a smile on his face and genuinely engaging with people like that guy's a leader by example like That's a beautiful way to live your life. If you can do that, you can be very successful but never turn into a tyrant, that's amazing. That's amazing. Because most people, they take the easy way and they turn into a tyrant. Everybody around them is walking on eggshells.

They yell at people. You always hear about that with talk show hosts. You always hear about that with people that are leading a sitcom. They just yell at everybody, shut the fuck up and listen to me i'm the star of this show like you know that kind of shit you always used to hear about that especially before the internet yeah and i mean some of the best leadership examples that i've had in my life were guys that were bad toxic leaders because you're like god i do not want to be yeah close to that guy yes and you know and i i've had like the just the i guess the the fortunate opportunity to serve under some really incredible people and with

amazing people that they just inspire you through action and like one of those guys i've had a really close relationship over the last few years is johnny morris the the founder of bass pro and he's that guy really he's so founder of bass pro shop he is so humble he is so nice he is so genuine we went elk hunting a few years ago he he called me he's like hey evan you want to go elk hunting i was like yeah let's go like you don't say no to johnny right you're not like right no like of course of course i'm gonna go and one of the guys he brought out one of the guys that plays in uh in his bar there in uh branson missouri um and he shot an elk we were tracking it johnny's out there tracking it and he's like hey guys you guys want some water

like runs down and grabs everybody some water because we're putting in some miles he's driving the truck with us and stuff i mean the guys i don't know how many stores that he's opened i don't know exactly what his individual wealth is but he's humble he's incredibly kind and he's always there to offer an opportunity for somebody we went out to one of his places in Arizona. He just sat with me for a full day, just talking about brand. Like, you know, he's sitting on the couch in his slippers. We're going through brand and kind of brand moments and how important those can be and how important it is for your customer. The customer came up a thousand times, the customer came up a thousand times like how important this is and it's like those little pieces that i can pull away from incredible leaders people that inspire me or whatever it is it's not only the good people that you can find where they're authentically engaging with you

but it's also the flip side of that where you're like, this guy is incredibly successful. And there's another person that's very toxic and they're not engaging people in an authentic way. I don't want to be even close to those people. Yeah. Like not even close. It's like when people have alcoholic parents, you know, they're in and out of jail, always getting arrested. And those people wind up being super disciplined because they're like, fuck this. I'm not living my life

like that. You know, I'm not where cops are banging on the door at three o'clock in the morning to pull your dad out of bed. Like there's a lot of people that live their life by the negative example. They go, I am never going to live that life. I know a lot of people who don't drink at all, not because they have a drinking problem, but because someone in their family had a drinking problem. It's one of the reasons why I've never done coke i had a buddy of mine in high school and his cousin used to sell coke and i watched his life fall apart and i remember thinking oh my god like this guy was fucking so normal and cool and now all of a sudden he's like a vampire like hiding and just doing coke all the time like they would hide in this attic apartment and do coke

him and his girlfriend they look pale and they're oh my God, you guys got bit by a vampire. It's like the cocaine vampire came along and stole your life. The cocaine vampire. Bro, that vampire steals people's lives. I remember it from high school because it's not like there was a lot of coke heads in my neighborhood. But there was enough people that did coke where you watched the change in their personality where it just all became about getting coke They just wanted to get coke I Can imagine it's it's got to be prevalent within

Like the media world and in LA it's got to be oh, yeah, it's got everywhere It's got to be everywhere in LA. I mean I've had it offered to me a couple of times not a lot though Right, not a lot though. Right. Not a lot. It's not like it's something that, it's not like weed. My God, how many times have people put a joint in front of me? Who fucking knows how many, but not Coke is not, I think Coke people know other Coke people. They fucking know you got that vampire mark on you. They're looking at you going, ah, this guy's way too fit.

Yeah. But I know some healthy people that do coke, which is wild. I know some jujitsu guys who do coke. Really? Yeah. Yeah. There's people that just like to party. They just enjoy it enough that they disregard

or ignore the performance negatives, which are very real. Like if you're fucking ramping your system up with cocaine, you expect to perform at your best, and you're doing it all the time. Well, there's no way, even if you're really talented. You're taking a chunk out of your potential. A hundred percent. For sure.

Yeah, I think that's where, especially if you're in a combat sport. Yes. Definitely from my subculture and the people that I grew up with in the military, we're always concerned about brain injury, TBI. I think one of the most positive benefits that, you know, the veteran community specifically can do is stop drinking. Just stop. Once you mix drugs and alcohol in an already compromised or could be compromised brain, you don't know what's going to happen. Right.

And I know that it's one of those things that I've tried very hard to just eliminate out of my life because of that. I've lost too many friends to suicide specifically. One in particular that was my best friend to just about a year ago. And I guarantee it was because of the mix of chemicals with the TBI. Guaranteed. TBI with fighters, one of the wild things is when you think a guy's punchy and then you have a couple of drinks with them. They get drunk so fast, like obliterated so fast.

Like you're pretty normal and they're gone and you're wondering like wow wonder what if like that whole brain the whole punch drunk thing which people always used to call it punch drunk before they call it pugilistica dementia but punch drunk they are kind of drunk and then you give them alcohol and they get really fucked up and there's a lot of people just walking around like that and also your your endocrine systems disrupted your your body's not producing dopamine or serotonin properly anymore because of the brain injuries and so then you're looking for something to get you out of this fog of depression and a lot of them

turn to drink it which is crazy because it's a depressive it's the same it's very very similar in the veteran community because guys will come out they're redefining themselves trying to find purpose in their lives they get depressed because they're dislocated from their tribe the people they've been emotionally physically psychologically more connected to than sometimes their family. And then they are dealing with overpressure and, or they've been blown up guaranteed because even on internal breaches and explosives on targets, you're going to be exposed to the overpressure from the explosives. You're going to have some type of impact on your brain. Like I would say

guaranteed if you came out of the special operations community. And then they, they switch and I've seen it. There's too many examples for me to list, but I've seen it directly impact, uh, in a negative way because they switched to alcohol and then they find themselves in, in the bottom of a bottle and it doesn't get better. It doesn't improve their life in any way, shape, or form. There's an interim Band-Aid for it. It might make you feel better for a short amount of time, but after a while, it puts you into a spiral,

and I've seen it happen too many times to count. And it affects you. I i mean it directly affects me every day where you know whether it's the the war itself or the post-effective war i've talked about this a few times where it's like iraq is with me every day of my life whether i like it or don't like it i've just just dealt with it. And now I'm just trying to do the best that I can to make sure that one, the machine is 100% capacity and two, that I can be an example for other guys to say, you know what? I don't have to, I don't have to be in a social circumstance and have a drink. Um, I can reach out to a friend if, you know, if even if you just reach out to people

now and again and just say, Hey, what's up? How are you doing? Like that's it helps. It does. It definitely helps. And, uh, I think from the, the, that, I think that's one of the reasons why fighters and military guys find each other a lot. And there's a huge percentage of veterans that get into jujitsu and some of the things after after service they're looking for a community they're looking for a tribe they're looking for something physical and and I see a lot of parallels between that mmm makes sense yeah I would think military guys like jiu-jitsu and martial arts would be an automatic. It makes sense. It completely makes sense to help you transition.

And also just a great thing to keep your head in check, keep your mind right. Martial arts, particularly jiu-jitsu, is a really good one because there's no head impacts. And, you know, you can keep your mind right. The problem with sparring, like if you get into striking sports, you're getting damage, believe it or not. Even if you're light sparring, you're getting popped. You're getting jabbed. Every now and then someone hits you with something a little stiff. You know, you see stars.

It happens. It always happens. I can't remember a time. You have to have like really good training partners when it comes to striking where you really trust them that they're not going to hit you hard and even then sometimes accidentally they hit you hard right like you zig when you should have zagged you run into something it just happens but with jiu-jitsu you cut that down way down like the amount of head injuries and impacts and concussions in jiu-jitsu is tiny in comparison every now and then you accidentally collide heads or you

accidentally catch a knee to the head and you get knocked silly. That does happen. But for the most part, it's like the safest way to engage in combat sports. And also it's one of the rare ones where you could do it with a buddy and you could both go full blast

and you don't have to worry about killing each other. Because if you're going full blast in gym kickboxing, I mean, you're going to fucking break your brain 100%. And I know a lot of guys have done it, and I used to do it. We used to go to war. We didn't spar. We beat the fuck out of each other. We hit each other full blast all the time.

And it was all just about having good defense and being able to move around away from shots. But you know that real shots were coming your way, and you got dinged up a lot. And if you're doing that, like, forever, all throughout throughout your years, like Jerry Quarry is a good example. Jerry Quarry was a boxer who fought Muhammad Ali on his return when he took those three years off. And Jerry Quarry was like notoriously tough, just tough. Just would eat fucking punches. Well, his brother was like him too. And I think his brother only had like one professional fight. They were just always sparring in the gym. His brother wound up with brain damage, just as bad as Jerry horrific brain damage, just from the gym. The gym fucking counts kids. If you're listening out there and you're sparring

and you're, you're, you're fucking tuning up on your friends and you guys are beating the shit out of each other. That counts for the rest of your life, whether your coach is telling you that or not. Those sparring sessions, if you're going in there and you're getting dropped and you're getting rocked and you're rocking people and dropping people, you guys are giving each other brain damage. A hundred percent. And I was just having a conversation with a friend of mine who was a professional fighter who is now dealing with one of his friends who's suicidal, who used to be a professional fighter. And they were talking about the sparring sessions that they had. They were talking about, geez, maybe we shouldn't have been beating the fuck out of each other all those years because they would go to war. And in the

early days of MMA in particular, now they're a little bit more sophisticated about it. And they're much more aware of Preserving yourself like there's certain guys like max Holloway doesn't even spar he just fights He says I know how to fight I don't want to get beat up in the gym and go into a fight compromise because I want to go in a fight a hundred Percent so I don't even spar he just does drills and you know he's one of the best alive But then this guy's like Sean Strickland that spar Constantly is how Scott yeah, I didn't do yeah And, you know, he's one of the best alive. But then there's guys like Sean Strickland that spar constantly. Did you see his house got broken into?

Yeah. Pull that video up. What a wrong house to break into. Out of all the houses. Out of all the houses to fuck with. That guy, UFC middleweight champion who is a gun nut. Yeah. And really knows how to use guns.

Yeah, out of all the guys. Yeah, trains. Every photo that he has, he does YouTube videos, just fucking ARs on the wall behind him. Like, he's not fucking around, kids. He's ready. He's hilarious. That guy is. He's hilarious.

He is hilarious. He's very funny. He's like. He's so marketable as like an anti-hero, but also a hero. Yeah. You know, he's a guy. Like, so here. Yeah.

Go to the volume. Give me some volume. So this is drunk guy, and he's outside Sean's apartment. Sean sees him. It's a music play. So he just throws the guy down on the ground, points a gun at him, and he's standing on him. I don't know what the guy was doing. It seems like the guy was just obliterated drunk, and he thought the guy was trying to rob him.

But I think the guy was just shit-faced, and he was looking for his keys or something. What was he doing? Since he was arrested. Oh, he hit a curb. Okay, so he was driving drunk. He stomped out a girl. Oh, my God. Oh, a security guard saw him stomp out a girl.

He jumped into his car and drove off. Security followed him. He hit a curb, completely shredded his tire, drove in the room for a while, then jumped down and tried to hide at Sean Strickland's house. Oh, gosh. Yeah, whoops. Wrong dude. That's karma. That is the universe sending you to the wrong

spot. The gravitational pull to Sean's house was strong. He was such a cunt that the universe guided him to the absolute worst place he could ever be while he just did those things. Stomped out a girl, drove drunk, smashed his car into a curb, ditched it, tried to hide at the absolute wrong spot. That guy's social media has got to be some of the most entertaining social media. Oh, he's hilarious.

And he's a champion. So it's like he's behaving like a wild, young contender. But he's the number one guy on earth. I mean, listen, it's hard to say. Look, people can say what they want about that Adesanya fight. Oh, Izzy wasn't himself. Dude, he wasn't himself because he got clipped with a bomb of a right hand by Strickland in that first round. Strickland connected with a picture-perfect right hand, rocked Izzy, and then hit him with how many shots did he hit him with afterwards?

Eight, ten clean shots to the head, left hooks in the clinch? I mean, of course he wasn't himself after that. You get hit like that in a fight, you're fucksville for the rest of those. He probably doesn't remember those rounds. He fought five rounds compromised. Who knows how dinged up he got? Only he knows. Only Izzy knows how bad he got hurt in that first round. But when you get

rocked that way and your legs give out and you go down like Izzy did, that's a concussion, kids. You got rocked. That's a real getting rocked That guy did that so you could talk all the shit you want You know because Strickland seems like he's got this awkward style and people think he's not as good as he is But you watch him tune dudes up be like that guy's a motherfucker man

At all, you know he spars more than anybody in the UFC and they put a mouthpiece that measures How many times you get hit he getsars more than anybody in the UFC and they put a mouthpiece that measures how many times you get hit He gets hit less than anyone Seriously nominal defense man Phenomenal defense his distance management is off the charts and it's because he's constantly sparring So like that's what he does better than anybody he fights right and when he spars if you've seen the videos of him sparring He's fucking hiding you're fighting him Yeah, you got like boxers coming in talk shit. He beats the fuck out of them with just boxing

He's fucking dangerous man. So the universe led That's like Perfect karmic justice. Oh, it's beautiful For a guy who stomps out a girl and then drives drunk and treads his car and tries to run, that is the absolute perfect way. And then it's all on camera. It's amazing. Yeah.

It's the universe. Sometimes it delivers. Yeah. Sometimes there's an opening and that fucking wounded gazelle. Wanders into Sean Strickland's house. You fucking victim. That cunt of a gazelle. God.

Every now and then. Yeah. Every now and then the universe will give us one of those. Yeah. And thank God. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

It's good. It's good that there's, but again, that's the right to keep and bear arms. That's, that's freedom. That's like the ability to protect yourself. He didn't know who the fuck that guy was. What if that guy was a creep? Yeah, who knows? I got another one.

I got one for you. This is a guy tries to rob a gun store. What? Yeah, I sent this to my friend Sean, or my friend Justin, rather. My friend Justin is a real gun nut. Like a fucking bonafide, salt of the earth gun nut. And I sent him this because I knew he would get a kick out of it. I'll send this to you, Jamie.

This is one of the ones that says sensitive content. Do you really want to share this? It'll ask you if you want to see the reel. Like, yeah, I want to see it. And then you try to send it. Hold on. Do you really want to share anyway? It says this post includes a notice saying it may contain graphic or violent content.

Yeah, I want to share it. Of course I want to share it. There's so much of this on Instagram. They must be either promoting it, but they're absolutely aware of it, right? They have to be aware of it because they put a notice on it saying, are you sure you want to share it? First of all, they asked me twice, are you sure you want to see it? I said, yeah, I want to see it. They said, are you sure you want to share it?

I'm like, yeah, I want to share it. They said, you sure you want to share it? I'm like, yeah, I want to share it. And so they let me. So they must know about it. So they know about violent, violent shit, like murders. Like, watch this. So this dude comes into a gun store. Give me some volume. Rob a gun shop.

Oh, it's someone talking over it. It's in quarterback. It's in quarterback. Imagine. This guy thinks he's going to rob joint see that old dude that old dude has been planning for that moment every day when he puts his shoes on yeah one day someone's gonna rob the gun store and i'm fucking ready that guy's at the range practicing for that one day that's from the instagram page this underscore motherfucker underscore right underscore here Amazing guys, but imagine these guys

Thinking that they can go he got two guns on him, too Thinking he's gonna walk into a gun store and rob a gun store. He just gets dusted like immediately look at this boom Right away. Yeah There wasn't a decision making process in this imagine thinking i'm gonna go in this gun store i'm gonna rob them and i'll take all the guns yeah yeah what do you think works there kid who do you think works at gun stores people who really enjoy guns yeah you don't get the average starbucks barista it was like i heard there's an opening at the gun store am i allowed to wear my lip ring?

How many pronouns? I don't think you get a lot of pronoun name tags in gun stores. No. No. I'm pretty sure they don't. I don't think you have to have he, him in your social media bio. No. Not at all.

Somebody sent me something the other day. Every time someone sends me something that has their pronouns in their bio of an email i just delete it yeah i'm like no no not playing along with this no i somebody asked me the other day then the company they're they're like well do you want to do this it's like absolutely never not they asked you if you want to put pronouns in the not in mind they were saying if if we should do it. Oh, my God. Or let people. And I was like, hey, man, your title and your name.

That's all we need to do here. We're all good. We don't need to do this. I'm not participating in this like horse shit, whatever this is. I saw a comedian that had that in their bio. Are they funny? I find that hard to believe that there's too many. It's not possible.

They can't be. Culturally, they don't like there's a section of the population that hard to believe it's not possible they can't be culturally they don't like there's a section of the population that tends to be like really liberal like the woke side of the spectrum they they're not funny they they can't have humor they're humorless they could 10 years ago they 10 15 years ago you could because there's a lot of people that you would consider woke that were very liberal, but they were able to use humor in a way that is very offensive if it was not humor. Right. But it's humor. It's only supposed to be funny.

It's not like they're making statements, like these are affidavits. These are my real beliefs on things. No, they're saying things in a way that's either ironic or sarcastic or it's a parody or what but it's very funny and it's very funny and uses outrageous language and uses what people would think is problematic stereotypes and all kinds of shit like that and there was a lot of liberal comedians that would walk that line and be really good at it you know they would say something racist from the perspective of a racist person and make fun of that person, but also make fun of the way that person is talking about things and that the way that person is talking about things are also funny. And you could do that. Now you can't do that anymore because now those people are so the left has moved so far. It's so far into this weird world of Narnia where, you know, like gender transition surgeries are cool.

Like, yeah, yeah, you should be support trans kids. Like, what are you saying? The fuck? The fuck are you saying? Support Ukraine. Like, are you sure? Did you go over there? What are you saying?

What are you saying? Free Palestine. Free Palestine from what? Like, OK, what do you know about it? Tell me what you know. Like, are you just jumping on every fucking bandwagon that the left wants you to jump on? Or have you really looked into this shit? Like, how much do you know about Israel?

How much do you know about Hamas? How much do you know about the history of the region? Very little, but you've got a fucking flag on your Instagram bio because that's the fashionable thing to do. It's moved so far in that direction. What are your pronouns? Put them in your bio. Okay. in that direction What are your pronouns put them in your bio? Okay, like you you don't even have your pronouns in your pile like this kind of nonsense and compliance Has led them into this weird world where you can't do proper humor anymore That's why there's no comedy movies anymore man. Is that the reason you think yes, they're scared you can't do

Like super bad today. No. But the guys who did super bad are all woke. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I mean, all of those guys are 100% on the woke side. Yeah.

Now they're like kind of, they woke themselves out of jobs. They woke themselves out of one of the most cherished aspects of movie-going times, which is going to see a great offensive movie, like the Farrelly brothers, like something about Mary. Hilarious fucking movie. Try making that today. Or Blazing Saddles.

Try making that today. Something like that. Yeah. Could never happen. Could never happen. Like, everything Mel Brooks, everything that they did. Oh, yeah. There's no way it could be made to be.

No way. And he's very liberal. Very left-wing guy. You used to be able to do that. You used to be able to do that with humor. There's a lot of comics that are really liberal that were really funny, like 10, 15 years ago. And now you watch them, it's like a lot of claptor and virtue signaling. It's like, you're scared.

You're scared. You're scared of upsetting that base. You're scared of them turning on you. You want them with you always. They're not with you, man. They're all trapped in the fucking undercurrent, the tide. They're getting pulled by a riptide of this culture run amok. And they don't do anything to stop it.

And that's why guys like Bill Maher are interesting yeah because he does he does he's he never stopped being a real comic even in the the tide of all this crazy left shit he's like wait what the fuck is going on like what is happening here like he's not like he's one of the few guys saying hey biden fucking step down like what what are we doing like what are we of the few guys saying, hey, Biden, fucking step down. Like, what what are we doing? Like, what are we doing? The fuck is happening here? This is not this is it's time is gone. This is nonsense.

Do you guys want to win this thing? Like, what the fuck are you doing? And that's against what most of that ideology wants you to say. Well, there's there's they've lost the ability to be objective in anything yeah so if you're if you don't agree if you if you if you don't pass the purity test yes then you're going to be on the right you're a nazi yeah you're you're going to go over here you're a fascist you're yeah you're labeled as something that you're not obviously just because you want to have a different opinion there's no ability for people to have a constructive conversation, be objective, bring in facts. They've got to make it personal.

They've got to go really deep into these obscure philosophical conversations that don't make sense. I think part of it is, uh, like I truly do believe that there's part of this that's, uh, directly contribute contributed to contributed to from our strategic enemies. I think that we're in the middle of this information operation. And I think people wittingly and unwittingly are participating in this crazy chaotic narrative. And they're saying, but this is what we need to do. Actually, what you're doing is you're just uh directly relaying propaganda that's what you're doing and you're trying to cause cultural divides and they're trying to divide us they're trying to

make us argue because they're the ones that directly reap the benefits of all this chaos who else would reap the benefits of this yeah it's it's laid out by yuri bezmanoff in the 1980s and people who haven't seen that, go watch this video. It's on YouTube. Former KGB defector, Yuri Bezmenov. He outlines how Russia has invaded our education system and what they're doing to try to destroy our culture. And whether or not you believe in that shit or not,

just listen to what he's saying and see what's happened he is outlining exactly how it would take place he's off by about 10 years yeah but he outlined it in terms of how many generations it would take for a complete moral decay and a complete complete like or an erosion of our faith in the democratic process. And all of it's laid out. All of it's laid out exactly what you see. And that's the enemy of comedy. You're going to fucking fall in on that. Like, you can't be funny. No. And you can't be funny and be involved in this fucking chaotic war.

I was watching a jujitsu coach online they were talking about whether or not he supports trans women competing in women's division and he was saying of course i do because i'm not a nazi we're not nazis right so if you don't support biological males competing against women in jujitsu matches, you're a Nazi. I was like, this is crazy. This kind of nutty shit has made it all the way to jujitsu. Do you think that eventually it loses the effectiveness of the term if they're just overusing, you know, fascist and Nazi in every sentence? Do you think eventually it at least runs out of inertia because they've used it so much that it loses its effectiveness? It definitely does.

But the problem with that is there's real Nazis out there. Yeah, exactly. That's the problem with crying wolf, right? Like one day you're going to see a real wolf. Like, oh, my God, that's a wolf. And everyone's like, shut the fuck up. Like, no, no, no, guys, that's an actual Nazi. Right.

Like they have a swastika on their back. This is a real Nazi like real Nazis are real That's what's so offensive about calling someone who doesn't want a biological male with a mental disorder to compete against women in a jiu-jitsu match That's that's why it's so offensive to call anybody who objects to that a Nazi because there are Nazis like no I just I think biological males have a massive advantage and I'm not gonna live in your Narnia world and pretend they don't because it's fucking stupid and it's dangerous and that's the reality of the world we're living in right now there's a bunch of people that whether willingly or unwillingly knowingly or unknowingly

they've given into this whether how what percentage of it is put out by our enemies what percentage of it is is really effective psychological warfare through manipulation of social media algorithms and for the use of bots and and troll farms that shit's real it's 100 documented it's 100 real and if we if you don't believe that it happens you're living in a fictional reality because they're either participating in it or they're taking advantage of it. That's their job, by the way, because there are strategic threats, whether that's militarily or economically, this is their goal. And when you're controlled by one party in China,

it's the communist party, they've got a long-term look and how they can directly affect and ultimately degrade what we believe as Americans because they benefit from that. They want the position that we have. So if people don't believe that, you're just living in a false reality, period. Yeah, you're living in a false reality

and you're not taking into account all the things we discussed earlier about some people fall into cults. Some people, 15% of them have an IQ below 85. Like all that shit is a factor because they're really easily led. Easily. And if you are one of those people, maybe you don't have an 85 IQ. Maybe it's 89. Maybe it's 90.

Maybe you're just gullible. You can get sucked into thinking this is the only way to think. And if you see it magnified in your social media algorithm because of China and because of Russia and because of these troll farms, which we absolutely know exist, it shifts the narrative. It shifts the way people discuss and think about things. It shifts what's acceptable. When people start going against the grain, they get attacked by all these trolls. It fucking puts the brakes on a lot of discussions. of what I would say is this, the idiot circus participating in these nonsense subjects versus, hey, guys, we have to maintain our sovereignty. We have to maintain what we would call our principles internationally. Why? Why is that important? Why should we be thinking about these

things? And I think these are real questions that we can be talking about. Like a good one is, And I think these are real questions that we can be talking about. Like a good one is why is our national debt where it is today? Why do we have $33 trillion in debt? What is the debt service going to happen for our country, the individual taxpayers? How does that look like? What does that look like 10 years from now versus whether or not we're arguing who's male or female or how many pronouns you have. I think we should be talking about those things. Those are really substantive conversations.

Yeah. And then climate change comes up, and that's the next one people start fighting about. It's like you got to keep as many beach balls up in the air at the concert as possible. Just keep bouncing those fuckers around to distract people. It's a distraction. It's a giant distraction. Keep bouncing those fuckers around to distract people. It's a distraction.

It's a giant distraction. Whether you realize it or not, whether you're overconfident in maybe your own ability to navigate waters and you're like, it's not affecting me. It's affecting culture. And if it's affecting culture, it's going to have an impact on you. It's going to come towards you. You're going to have to push back against something that you wouldn't have to push back against. Some real nonsense shit. You know, and if you go against it, you're a Nazi. Like this whole men using the women's bathroom.

Like, listen, I'm not an anti-trans person. But if you don't believe that there are certain male predators that are sex offenders that wouldn't take advantage of the ability to wear a dress and then all of a sudden be able to go into any woman's room they want? Well, they definitely do. And you don't have a way of discerning who's a legitimate trans person that has gender dysphoria that really just wants to be accepted as a woman and who's a sick fuck who just wants to go watch women's shit because those guys are real too. And if you don't agree with that, if you don't say that those guys are real too and if you don't agree with that if you don't say that those

people are real now all of a sudden you've created a whole category of of sexual predators that prey on women that have a willy wonka golden ticket now they could just go into women's spaces they can go in the women's locker rooms they can go into women's anything all they have to do is say they identify as a woman. And it's not hard to do. You don't even have to look like a woman. You just say you identify as a woman. You can put lipstick on if you want. We're so lenient about

this shit. And I'm not saying I know a solution. Because if you ever remember Blair White? Oh yeah. She used a women's room. Why shouldn't she use a women's room? That's a trans woman who's like, that's a trans woman. That's a real she lives like a woman she wants to call herself a woman i'm in but that's not everyone no there's there's there's one this is this one i think this person lives in i want to say canada but somewhere north but on their social media they wrote some women have

penises and if you don't like it you could suck my dick Full beard wearing a dress looking like a guy in a dress and you're like okay. You might be insane How about you're insane right and how about if everybody just accepts that blanket this? Well now you have like you you leave this door open for chaos And if you can't talk about it because if you talk about it, you're a Nazi like what are we doing? Like what are we doing? We we gave perverts like a complete Willy Wonka golden ticket, a hall pass. quite literally small, meaningless things versus saying, you know, these are big strategic threats to our way of life. Like I think there's, and there are people outside of this country every day that are looking to undermine our entire premise of what we've built over the course of the last several hundred years. I mean, I don't even necessarily say that I believe in this and

it's not a feeling. It is what it is in the context of spending most of my life overseas and working against these intelligence agencies. You know what they're capable of and you know what they're doing. They love this. We're trapped in arguing about all of these different things because at that point, we're taking our eye off the ball. Like they love the fact that we are trapped in this like, you know, endless cycle of wars of occupation where we spent trillions of dollars. They love that. You know why? Because it degrades our long-term military viability in some of these regions. And then, you know, China can snap up ports and economic influence and they can start building their power. And we, as a country, if we don't like focus on those things, we don't really try to focus on what is culturally important to us. What are we really going to protect? Freedom of speech. for instance, in this is we were talking about it in California, like comedy is one of the last places where you should be able to say what it is that you want to say. Like, and I'm saying everywhere we should be able to do this and we should absolutely protect it. But if comedy is

under attack from people wanting to cancel comedy because of jokes, that's a problem as a as a country as a society that's a fucking huge problem well the the lakota had a term called uh the heyoka the sacred clown they had a person in their society that made fun of everything because they had this need to test things like how do i know if this thing is legit if well someone can't make fun of it that's probably a thing that there's a problem with that thing if you can't discuss it and you can't mock it there's probably a problem with that thing like maybe that thing is like maybe there's a little bit of a culty aspect to that thing and here's a question do you think we're doing the same thing overseas? Are we doing the same sort of social media campaigns? We must be.

I asked Mike Baker and he fucking gave me the runaround. I think, here's my honest, everybody that starts a conversation by saying, here's my honest opinion. But my assessment in this is I think that honest opinion. But my assessment in this is I think that we have forfeited portions of foreign service to the left in the context of wokeism, politically correct, like the act of maintaining your sovereignty in the context of military and then economically is not politically correct. You can't broker in that rhetoric and then implement a strategic long-term

goals and objectives that are going to meet and exceed what we have to do to maintain America and ultimately America's power overseas if you believe in it, you just can't because it's not politically correct. Uh, if you believe that all nations are created, you know, equal and all political ideologies are equal, that's, that's just wrong. It's, it's, it's not, uh, you know, I tend to not tend, like I think, uh, communism is a dog shit ideology. I think that it should have been flushed down the international toilet a long time ago. We just haven't done it good yet. Yeah. We're going to figure it out this time, Evan.

Yeah. And you can't dabble. You're so close minded. You can't dabble in it. Like, it's so dangerous to start dabbling in these things because it's a failed ideology. You have to flush it down the toilet. It has to go away forever. And then you have to evolve past that at a failed ideology. You have to flush it down the toilet. It has to go away forever. And then you have to evolve past that at a certain point.

But when you've co-opted our academic institutions and you've indoctrinated generations of the academic elite and then they've worked their way into foreign service and they've worked their way into the intelligence apparatus. Now, they're going out and they're not willing to implement at the same degree that they might have been able to in the 1960s and 70s by the rules of nature, which is things will die. And when I say that, ideologies have to die like they do. When they're failed and they're bad for freedom, which I tend to believe in radical freedom, when they're bad for individual liberty, when they're bad for freedom,

they got to fucking die. And if you're going to have communism, you're going to need someone to enforce that. It's it's a it only is implemented through tyranny. That's it. Isn't that wild? Yes, that no one wants to do that math. They don't want to get to the 10th problem, right? They want to stop at problem number seven and go, well, it's really important that we share wealth and the economic, you know, disparity is is is wrong and we should all have money from the state and equal money and we should all share and billionaires shouldn't exist. Okay. How do you make that happen? How do you take the money from the billionaires? Who do you give it to? Who gets

to decide who gets what? do we vote on where the money goes what about those people that are under 85 iq are they voting on this too they're gonna vote for free twinkies for everybody free twinkies and mountain dew i mean if you just had should all the billionaires spend their money on free twinkies and mountain dew and you just left it to people who aren't billionaires to vote for them yeah fuck those people who's gonna vote it in should we take 90 of the money from people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett? Fuck yeah. They don't need that money.

Click. There's a lot of people that'll tell you that. Yeah. They don't want, like if you're starting off, you're playing a game. Like the game's capitalism. If you're starting off and you're 20 years old, 21 years old, and you don't make any money and you're out there trying to find your purpose in life, and then you're seeing someone who's been playing this game for 50 years and he's flying around in a fucking private jet and getting driven around in a Rolls Royce.

You're like, fuck that guy. Fuck him. Fuck him. He's too far ahead of the game. But you're playing that game too. If you're working and you're getting paid for your work, you're playing a game. You might be playing a very low level of the game, but you're playing the game called capitalism. And the more work you do, the more money you get.

The more effort you put in to figure out how to get more money, the more money you'll get if you're successful. And if you're not successful, you'll at least get lessons on how to do it wrong. And hopefully you're going to figure that out because many people have, including that guy in the fucking Bentley, including that guy in the private jet. He's just 70 years old. He's been playing this fucking game for 45 goddamn years hard you know he knows what he's doing and if you don't like that game don't play it but for you to say that he shouldn't have that money okay what do you what are you gonna do you gonna take it from him who's gonna take it from him the government armed people

what are you doing because that's the only way he's going to give it up. That's the only way. That's the only way you get to enforce people redistributing wealth evenly across everybody, including people that have done nothing. And now you're going to get a lot of angry people, and you're going to get a lot of resentment. You know what pops out of something like that, those ideas?

Far-right ideologies. Super far-right. That's the rebound to this radical leftism You know Steve Bannon was talking about that and he was talking about Trump like the people that are afraid of Trump Like he's a moderate He's a moderate in this movement and believe me if you guys fuck with him more someone else is gonna come along that's gonna resonate with these people that realize they're getting fucked. And it's going to be just like what's happening in Argentina, where this guy gets elected

and he's like, fuck everything. Everything's got to go. Everything's got to go. And it's wild because people are very excited about that. There's a groundswell of people that are really fucking fed up with this bullshit being implemented in all sorts of countries all over the world. They're passing these wild hate speech laws in the UK we were talking about yesterday

where you can get arrested if you have something on your phone that could be used to incite violence. So if someone sends you a meme, it's a hilarious meme that someone decides that meme could incite violence because it's offensive. They could arrest you. This is wild, wild shit. And this is the kind of thought process that leads us down a very bad path. I think that that's where people start to sell this thing is, is this is a utopian future where everybody's equal. Everything is the same. We're all, you know, in this fictional reality together. But what they don't understand is it is not look like that. It looks like a dystopian nightmare is what it looks like. that you're briefing us is so so amazing and equal it's it has to take so much control it's anti-psychology it's anti-human it's anti-freedom like when you take a person's freedom that's the most valuable thing that we have yeah it's it's you're taking away the human purpose

like and that's the thing that i i i often kind of like wrestle with with people. It's like you can't take away an individual's purpose and expect or try to and expect that to go well. It's just not. It's not. Like you can't put them into a factory job and say, well, you know what? This is your plight in life for the rest of your life. This is what you're going to do and take away their entire existence and essence, their ability to create and thrive as an individual, that doesn't work. It doesn't work. And also, you're going to get the haves and the have-nots like you had in Cuba. You get the haves and the have-nots like you have in China.

China has kind of a hybrid system, right? They allow some form of capitalism, but until you step out of line, they send you to the bodies exhibit. Yeah. It's wild how many young people are not getting this information. I think many young people are getting it now. They understand it now because of podcasts. But still, they're outnumbered by the people that are just the zombies that are buying into this shit wholesale. And they're out there. that are buying into this shit wholesale and

They're out there and they're out there with these very strong opinions that are not very well researched at all lack of understanding of human nature and also a lack of understanding of all the forces that have led them to this particular ideology in the first place that you We are as a culture being manipulated. We're being manipulated and It's moving us further and further away from just sanity, just pure sanity. It's the foundations of Western logic, right? Yeah. They're trying to poison the roots of Western logic

by completely rewriting what we would call the history of the world and the progression around physics and math. And you name the thing that's under assault, it's under assault today. And I think who benefits from that? You just have to look around and say, who benefits from that? Oh, our foes. That's who benefits from this. have to look around and say who benefits from that oh yeah our foes that's who benefits from this i and not much has changed if you think um now what 2 500 years ago we'll say socrates was was put to death for corrupting the the corrupting the youth i think is what it was and i'm like trying to recall it but he was out there on the street arguing and debating with people talking about ideas. And there the Athenians were like, we got to get rid of this guy. He's like, he's pressure testing what we're doing. Like, we got to put this dude down. 500 years ago so anytime the state deems information as a threat we should probably be looking at that information and then really trying to like have an open discussion about it that's the

beauty of america like freedom of speech yes it is the beauty of america but it's also why they're trying to crack down on the internet right the internet has been the biggest force in not just relaying this propaganda but also fighting against propaganda and letting people realize like, Hey, like these people that are supposed to be your leaders, they're compromised and they're fucking you. And there's some things that they're doing now that they're just doing. And like, what, what is the economic consequence of the hundreds of billions of dollars that are being spent on these wars that we're not interested in. What are the economic consequences? Where are the actual legal consequences for, I mean, here's an easy one, which is we invaded a country of Iraq because of weapons of mass

destruction. That didn't exist. That didn't exist. Not one person stepped in front of Congress and had depositions around, why did you say that there was weapons of mass destruction when there wasn't? Not one person. But we spent how many trillions of dollars on this war? And how many people died? Yeah. How many innocent Iraqis died? my peer group alone, just thousands of people that are physically and mentally altered forever that spent, you could say, the best years of our life in a war under false pretenses. And now the long-term effects are coming back. And then also the government doesn't want to pay for that bill as well. Yeah. They were trying to deny Gulf War Syndrome. Remember that? When they were using depleted uranium rounds? So these people were all getting radiation poisoning, and their children were born deformed. And they were having these massive problems, and they were trying to deny it because they didn't want to pay the check. They do when it directly benefits what I would say is the military industrial complex and these wars of occupation. I don't want to make it sound like I'm anti. I think

there's a difference between a war of necessity that maintains national sovereignty and a long term war of choice for occupation. That's a war of choice in occupation is an exercise in transference of wealth from the taxpayer into the military-industrial complex. And then another three years in Afghanistan, just seeing the expense from blood and treasure alone over the course of 10 years of deployments and understanding what the difference is between precision tracking and then killing terrorists and what we needed to do in order to stabilize a region. And then long term, massive wars of occupation, there's a very distinct difference. Yeah, I think that's very important to bring up. And it's also very important to bring up that you have to have military power because other countries have it.

And people who don't think that you should support the military, there's there's people that think all military is evil listen if we didn't have it what do you think would happen what do you think would happen like what do you think the whole world would lay down their arms if we did do you think that's what would happen we have to live in reality and the reality of this world and you know it better than anybody. This world is a fucking messy place. That's where you see nature. That's where you see the real rules of life, which is the only rules are those of physics.

Bullets travel at X, you know, X feet per second. You have a collective team trying to organize against in a very chaotic environment, trying to survive. in a very chaotic environment trying to survive. But really, you strip every piece of what you know around rules, around what's right and wrong. Your morality is put into question. Your mortality is at stake all the time. And you see the real world. It's eye-opening to the point of you understand how great we have it

in the United States and how beautiful this country is. And you also understand how fragile life is and how brutal the world can be and how brutal humanity can be towards each other you know it can be gone like that and i think being exposed to it for that long and then coming home that the the uh the things that i've been able to pull away from that are this place is amazing it's beautiful it's it's something that we should foster and encourage and

continue to pass down through generations because we're so fucking fortunate to have hit the birth lottery being born here. Yeah. Like I roll out of bed every day, man. I'm like, this, this is fucking awesome. Like, I'm so happy to be alive. Like, I'm so happy to be alive. Like I'm so happy to have all my fingers and toes and I'm so happy for the experiences of war because it's shown me what it's like to understand my mortality sometimes second to second, but for sure day to day for years on end and understand that we're only here for a short amount of time and we got to make it fucking count. And we also have to be very grateful and gracious to what we have here for our freedoms and our country and our countrymen and the experience of war itself,

that chaotic environment that show me traffic rules don't apply over there, right? It's like traffic lights and police officers and, you know, the things that we take for granted every day, going to work, you know, making our coffee, doing all the things that we do. You strip all that away into just the law of nature. It is wild. It is forever life-changing, but you also understand this is what we're living in.

This is the actual consequence of what we're living in. We're very protected in the way that we live life right now. Yeah, I'm real glad you said that. I'm real glad you relayed that message that way. People need to hear it.

Let's wrap this bitch up. Sweet. Appreciate you, brother. Thanks, man. Always a good time. Yeah, dude. Evan Hafer, ladies and gentlemen. Bye, everybody.