The Joe Rogan Experience - #2073 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

Episode Date: December 7, 2023

Derek is the fitness educator and entrepreneur behind the "More Plates, More Dates" YouTube channel, podcast and companion website. https://moreplatesmoredates.com

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day good to see you again yeah you as well do you do cold punch um just talking about it yeah it's uh something that i i do occasionally but i don't have one at my place so it's not a regular part of my routine but i would like it to be and i guess i could do the cold shower thing but it's from my understanding yeah from my understanding it's not as uh i don't know effective overall to like you want to be fully immersed and kind of get the full experience. Yeah, it's, I don't think it's as effective, but it's pretty effective. Especially you live in the fucking frozen communist shithole of Canada.

Yeah, yeah. It's cold. You get real cold water. When's the last time you've been up there? I don't go up there anymore. You refuse, right? Yeah. I just fucking, what they've done up there, what they did with the trucker rally and what Trudeau's doing with guns and what they're trying to clamp down on censorship on the

internet, that guy can eat shit. That place needs 100% an overhaul of government. They're sliding down that dangerous road of communism that scares the shit out of me yeah i uh it's funny because even though i'm in canada it seems like the political the prevalence of political information and media is so much lesser than what goes on in the states because it's just far more interesting but even the alternatives that i'm aware of on the political you know side of things that are trying to you know get trudeau out and replace him not much better from my

understanding it seems like everyone's uh every time i go on twitter i see jordan peterson shitting on some other guy who's like the next best option apparently well he likes that pierre guy what's that guy's name i don't know pierre polyvare what is his name there's the the guy what's that guy's name I don't know Pierre Polivere what is his name there's the the guy who's the reasonable republican type character or conservative character what is the yeah Pierre Polivere that guy's very smart okay he's very interesting there's a really funny video I don't know if you ever saw it, but he's eating an apple, and he's talking to this reporter, and the reporter keeps asking him really stupid questions.

Like, what do you mean by that? Like, what does that mean? Like, he catches this reporter. Like, says who? Who's saying this? And it's, have you seen that video? I've never seen it. Jamie will find it.

Currently, you're obviously taking the populist pathway. What does that mean? Well, appealing to people's more emotional levels, I would guess. I mean, certainly you tap very strong ideological language quite frequently. Like what? Left wing, you know, this and that. Right wing, you know, I mean. It's like just buzzwords.

I never really talk about left or right. I don't really believe in that. Okay. It's a longer conversation, but it's very interesting because it just shows you the level of sophistication these fucking dopey reporters that are covering this kind of shit. Now, they are just trying to always play gotchish stuff. The title was, Does It Hurt Him?

I wonder what the consensus is of the average Canadian if they think it's, oh, this guy's legit, or if they're like, this guy doesn't care about us at all. It's a good question. I mean, I think propaganda affects everyone, and I think Canadian propaganda is a little more tightened down and controlled. What they did with the truckers, like, for example, like the way Trudeau just openly labeled them as racist and misogynist,

and then when people were donating to this trucker movement when they were trying to, this protest, they closed down people's bank accounts who donated. I mean, that is third world country shit. The fact that they think they can do that in Canada is insane. seen the uh the ban of news in canada to where if you're located in canada you can't access news outlets now because the news outlets or the social media platforms featuring the news outlets refuse to pay canada their own fee essentially so if i'm in canada and i go on instagram and try to go to a you know a news page that's outside of can media, it'll literally say, can't view, unavailable in Canada. Yeah, it's crazy.

That's nuts. That's like China. I mean, it's literally like what they do in foreign countries that are run by dictators. Yeah, yeah, dude. The bills, it seems like every couple of weeks there's some new gong show of a bill that everyone says is gonna you know wipe out creators off social media or force you to make canadian content only which is like this super nebulous

thing that you have no idea am i only gonna be able to talk about like maple syrup and beavers and shit or like what's it gonna be you don't know so that's uh a concern as somebody on youtube especially so yeah yeah but um yeah I've heard concerning things that my podcast at one point in time might not even be available in Canada because of this yeah that's a concern that this could be

used in that manner to stop people from accessing podcast especially if I'm openly critical of that shithole communist government oh yeah you definitely won't be on there. If you make Canadian enough content, then you'll get promoted though. Yeah, okay. I'll start talking

about hockey. Yeah, yeah. I'll start talking about George St. Pierre and hockey. Does George still live in Canada? I believe he does. He's here a lot. He's here in Austin a lot because he trains with the Donaher squad, Gordon Ryan and those guys.

So they're all out here. He's retired, but what's his current lifestyle now? Is it just training and social media? Well, fortunately, George is a man of leisure because he made a shitload of money fighting, and so he's really well off, and he doesn't have to do anything, but he does enjoy traveling and training. shitload of money fighting and so he's really well off and he doesn't have to do anything but he does enjoy traveling and training and the guy still is involved in martial arts as just a vehicle for developing his life so he is super fit i mean like top-notch fit the guy still does

this rigorous exercise routine he still trains with all of the, like, these guys are professional jiu-jitsu competitors. So with the Donaher team, it's a very unusual team. I know you've covered Gordon and his steroid use and all that jazz. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what I like about Gordon is he's fucking super open about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he's not hiding shit. Yeah.

He's like, look, everybody does it. This is what I do. I'm the best. Yeah. And everybody. Yeah, yeah. He's not hiding shit. Yeah. He's like, look, everybody does it. This is what I do. I'm the best. Yeah. And everybody's like, but, but, but, no. Yeah. But what they do is they train 365 days a year. That's wild.

Yes. And that's one of the reasons why you need steroids. Yeah. Like, that is not physically possible with a normal endocrine system to be recovering from six and eight hour workouts every day, 365 days a year. You're going to get breakdown. There's just no, I mean, I don't give a fuck how many ice baths you take. Yeah.

You know, these guys are training all day long. They're doing different levels of training, right? So they're doing different levels of training right so they're doing weightlifting training so most of gordon's work gordon's girlfriend was a professional bodybuilder and so most of his is just size and build it's it's not really like functional training like you see the old videos of alexander corellon do you know who he is yeah yeah so you see that guy doing kettlebells and fucking you know shield casts with giant steel plates over his head. Gord's not doing any of that stuff.

It's a lot of bodybuilding stuff. They do that. Then they're doing drills where they're just analyzing positions and finding problems in these positions. And they'll go over tape. And, I mean, it's fucking meticulous, man. I mean, you have to have – I don't know if they're on Adderall, but I would imagine that would help. But something is very different about the way they train.

And then they're drilling, and then they're doing – of course, they're doing live sparring. So they're rolling. They're going from certain positions. They have goals to get to a certain position or to avoid a certain position. And they're advancing faster than any group of jujitsu people on the planet earth. But you have to be a fucking maniac. You have to be a 365 day a year, fully committed. You miss nothing. I don't give a fuck about your holidays. No one gives a fuck about Christmas. Fuck you, it's your birthday. Get in there.

Everybody's in there. Is the goal, like I've seen them on UFC Fight Pass and some of these new more, they seem to be expanding in their reach. What is like the goal of the top guys in that sport? Is it typically to just stay at the top of the sport or do a lot of them transition to mma at some point a lot of them will transition but a lot of them don't want brain damage you know they just don't you know i don't think gordon makes so much money doing just jujitsu i mean he makes millions of dollars every year just selling videos it's crazy how he still has, is it like actual DVDs? Like he has media he sells in DVD format, I think. I don't believe so.

I think it's a digital download. I would assume, yeah. Yeah. I could have sworn somebody said he sold physical DVDs. I'm sure he probably does that as well, but I don't even know if I have a DVD player. Yeah, me neither. That's why it seemed odd to me. Which is so crazy because I would have never thought that a physical media player was just going to go away.

Oh, yeah. Everything would just be in the fucking air. Yeah, yeah. No, it's wild to see. If you look at the evolution of consoles over the past 20 years, it's like these little wild, I guess now would be perceived as like totally foreign to Gen Z or whatever. Well, I'm old as fuck, dude. When I was a kid, I remember Pong. Yeah.

I was a little kid and you could play a game on the television and it was nuts. Nobody could believe it. And you had like this little dot that would go doot doot and you would like with your little scroll wheel you would roll your paddle up to hit the dot doot doot doot doot doot and me and my sister would play pong and we were like this is crazy we're playing on tv we're playing a video game on tv when's the what's the last game that you were into? Or did you stop yourself after it was Doom, right? No, it was Quake. Or Quake, sorry.

Yeah. Well, I didn't stop myself. Jamie and I and Jeff, a few years back, we had a local area network room in our old studio in LA. And it got to be a real problem where it's just too much fun. So we would get out of a podcast at, you know, three-ish, and I would be playing until six, seven at night, and then I'd go home, and I didn't feel good. I'd get out of there, I'd be frazzled,

your adrenaline's flying, you're like, Jesus Christ, I feel fucking terrible. Yeah. It's like, have you ever heard of Super Smash Bros. before? Yes. Okay, so my girlfriend got me what was what was i guess the best and worst gift at the same time a couple years ago it was a nintendo switch for christmas and that game and i haven't i pretty much swore off games years ago because i just knew once i got into them

it's gonna fuck my days like it very much saps my bandwidth and the dopamine hit you get from it is insane it's like a drug essentially so i played it and it was it's probably the most addictive thing in my life right now so i need to i'm highly considering just getting rid of it and getting it out of my house it's almost like junk food where you have to keep it out of the house to not yeah go ham on it with the games it's the same thing dude and the. And the graphics now and all the colors and the vibrancy and everything, compared to Pong back in the day, I can just imagine what it does to your expectation of, like, dopamine hits and then what other stuff in life feels like reward-wise, like, proportionally to it.

It's probably like fucking night and day compared to the Pong days. Night and day. We were playing Quake Champions, right? And this is a game that you play, you have headphones on, and you can hear sounds behind you. You can hear them to the right, to the left. Super sophisticated.

When you're running through the water, you hear splashing sounds. You have immersive graphics. You're running through the water, you hear splashing sounds. You have immersive graphics. You're running through these tunnels and rockets are flying over your head and it lights the wall as the rockets are missing you. Yeah. I mean, the shadows, everything. It's so insanely vivid and so fun.

This is Quake. Oh, damn. And this is how fast it moves, too when you shoot people they turn into fucking mist Quad is quad power that gives you four times the power Magic playing this Oh yeah For hours a day And it's just like Playing in teams

Where there's no real end in sight Because you never win the game You just keep playing Yeah you start a new game Over and over Over and over and over again And then you can hop on these servers So like if you're

You're at home by yourself You can just hop on a server and there's always people playing what is the uh is this the most recent iteration of the game yeah this is the most recent okay it's so exciting it's wild because this is what you're oh yeah dude so this game is brutal because it has in seemingly infinite amounts of maps there's probably like like look at that shit all the colors and stuff it's like you your brain doesn't even know how to process it at first and there's uh i don't know how many characters like almost 100 or something and it's essentially the main or the most sought after characters or protagonists and antagonists or

whatever from major video games so you're basically getting to play with every most popular character of every game ever essentially so even if you win a game the amount of iterations of maps and players and different things you can do it never really gets stale so you're just sitting there over and over grinding through this thing with no end in sight and the wild thing too is oftentimes i'm just playing against a computer but i'll actually get pissed off when i lose like i have to avenge myself and go beat the computer so i'll be like i'm gonna sit here till i beat this fucking guy even though it's not even a human and then i'll burn an hour i'll be like like, yeah. And that was my mentally sharp, you know, one of however many hours.

Well, there's so many of these games like this. There's so many different styles of game. If you're into this style of game or if you're into like Half-Life, you ever play Half-Life? Heard of it. Seen it. Never played it though. It's a game about like some science experiment gone wrong that opens up some portal and aliens come out and you've got to fight them.

It's in this laboratory. These games are so immersive. It's like you're playing a movie that you're participating in with insane graphics, and they're really well mapped out and planned out. They make them really challenging and exciting and if you're a person that's into those things like you don't fuck all your free time it's gone yeah it's gone there's a lot of people that make good livings out of it which is the crazy

thing though oh no that's what's weird now so it's like how it's almost hard i don't even know what it would be like as a parent to argue with your kid about if it's a good use of time Or not because it's like the kid could be like I'm making more money than every other fucking kid in my class Yeah, I might it might be making more money than their parents. Yeah, literally Yeah, if your dad has some you gotta get a job some if you see how many twitch subscribers I have Yeah, well, yeah, you could if you become popular and play games online, you can make a substantial living. So if your kid was playing golf and the kid said, I want to be a professional golfer, you're like, well, are you winning tournaments?

Do you have a chance here? Maybe this is a good career path for you, Johnny. But no parent wants to go, what the fuck are you doing? League of Legends? My son's a League of Legends player on Twitch. What? Yeah. Oh, what did you do?

Yeah, and you sit there and just rack up donations while you play? Yeah. The thing that's wild to me, and obviously people enjoy doing this, so I'm not shitting on it necessarily, but I can't fathom doing this myself, is sitting there and watching somebody play for hours, but this is literally how it supports them as a creator is watching the live stream so this means that there's thousands of people at home eating dinner or just sitting there and watching a guy play rather than playing themselves

i'm just like i would have never imagined that that would be a gigantic thing like yeah because it's oftentimes when you're playing too, your commentary is surface level because you're trying to focus, especially if you're really good. So you're just watching a guy concentrate and play and not really engage with you in any meaningful way, and you're just sitting there as an observer and somehow finding it worthwhile

to chuck money at the guy, sit there and watch him for hours. I don't know. I just can't fathom it. And then there's a whole industry of hot girls like in their underwear oh yeah video games yeah or like i think there's a whole section on i don't know if you've ever seen twitch it's a platform i'm so not familiar with but i should for you know to understand what's going on with the gaming market but like it's like hot tub streamers or like inflatable

pool streamers and these chicks just like put on a live stream and then get in a bathing suit and sit in a like inflatable pool in their house and just like wait around and talk to you i guess and rack up millions over the year yeah it's. Some will sell the water that they were in. It's just like multi-level supply chain management. They'll sell the water. They bottled it up in front of you in mason jars. This one's for you, Doug. It's funny because you say that as a joke, but it's actually what happens.

Oh, my God. Yeah, and they make bank off it. The number of incels buying pond water, Twitch streamers. Yeah. No, I can't even. I can't imagine what mindset you would have to be in to justify that purchase. You got to be really obsessed with that person. Do you get the jar of the mason jar and then you jerk off to the water?

Probably. I don't get it. Yeah. But we use the water to jerk off with. Utility, right? Yeah. There you go. I guess. get it. Yeah. Probably use the water to jerk off with. Utility or a thing. Yeah, there you go. I guess. I'm just guessing.

Maybe they put it on a shelf. That's Debbie's water. Yeah. She's my favorite Twitch streamer. It could be an investment, I suppose, but I can't imagine that playing out. I don't believe that will be a worthwhile investment. Me neither. that will be a worthwhile investment but it's like like what are the numbers of men in 2023 that are single it's something absurd it's an enormously large number of people that are single

today as opposed to in the past yeah i've seen uh chris williamson has like uh he often posts like random statistics that he sees, and sometimes the numbers. I don't know where these surveys come from because they're often the most wildly specific things. Or we surveyed men, and 40% haven't talked to a girl in three years. I'm like, who are these dudes? But I believe it. So it's pretty wild, some of the stats that. I see this headline, and I have a different interpretation of it, though.

Most young men are single in 2023. Most women are not. It's like when you ask, the guys are like, no, I'm not tied up. But the girls are like, no, yeah, we're dating. So the guys are lying, or the girls are delusional? They just don't view it the same way. What's happening? I would be highly skeptical that there's that many player dudes that are taking up the majority.

I'm not even saying players. I just don't think that they're not locked down. They're not living with me. I haven't deleted my Tinder account yet. Well, that's the big thing, right? The options that young people have today, dating single people have today with these dating apps is just if anything seems like you're not in, you know, like I don't like the way she said this or I don't like the way he did that, you're like move on to the next swipe.

Yeah. Like you never get past this thing where, you know, you try to like manage how to hang out with each other. Because, you know, when you're dating, everyone has a different personality. And some things that some people love, other people are like, hey, don't do that. And you're like, oh, all right. I didn't know. I thought you liked it when I opened up the door.

Whatever it is, it's like there's always going to be a thing that someone doesn't like. And everyone has so many options today. It's got to be – if you're an attractive person, a woman or a man, and you have a dating app today, like, the chances of you finding someone that makes you put away all those other options, because those

options in a dating app are just as addictive, I would imagine, as some video games. Oh, for sure. Because you're engaging with new people. Have you ever seen a girl go through her Tinder to show how absurd it is for what the demand is for them relative to dudes? Honestly, I haven't.

I've seen people talk about it online, but I've never seen anybody do it in person. You could have a 6 out of 10 who would, 20 years ago or whatever, not get that much attention if it weren't for social media and everything, going through her tinder and it's like match match match no match match match whereas for dudes it's like nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing maybe match nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing so it's like literally 10 of the dudes are getting 90 of the chicks and then the demand the supply demand ratio is not there so i think a lot of dudes are single

i don't know if they want to admit it or not but it's because happened also recently with those apps they've been getting caught using bots to pump up their numbers i have heard of that the dating apps will have like ai people and they're just doing it so they get more engagement there's a lot of chicks that promote their OnlyFans and social media on Tinder too, and that's how they're going about it. So they're not even looking to date. They're just looking to pump their socials

or get a new OnlyFan subscriber from some simp that thought they were interested. That's another one too, right? I mean, when do you bail out on that? So if you're a woman, let's say you're a woman you're making you know some of these women are making a hundred thousand dollars a month just showing their feet and whatever you know and so all of a sudden you date this guy and you're really into him and it becomes a meaningful relationship and and then this conversation comes up like, hey, how long are you going to show your asshole?

Yeah, on OnlyFans. As long as I want. And then she's like, well, I make $100,000 a month showing my asshole on OnlyFans. You're like, oh, all right. Well, I don't know where this is going then. It's like, do you make that, showing your asshole? No, I don't.

No, I don't. So then the guy has to be in this position where the woman literally makes like 10 times more than he does showing her asshole. And then he's got to somehow or another convince her to abandon that so they can live a life like a fucking Norman Rockwell book. Let's just say, and maybe this is too extreme of a hypothetical, but let's just say you're in your 20s and you're dating somebody. And she's an OnlyFans girl. Yeah. Is that a deal breaker for you no if i'm in my 20s it's not no if in my 20 first of all i'd be like how are you making so much money this is crazy can i show my asshole but then you have to do it probably for gay guys because women are not gonna pay

uh i i would think that what i would do is just accept the fact that this isn't going anywhere. And then we're going to have some fun. Okay, well, what if it's somebody that you thought would have potential as a serious long-term thing? Would that be the deal breaker? I think you'd probably know immediately that she has an OnlyFans. I don't think it would take long. I think if you waited a long time, like if you're dating six to eight months, like how do you have all these

shoes? Like where'd you get this car? Like what do you do for work if it was one of those things? You know, and then you oh, you have an OnlyFans and then you're already in love with this woman? That would be an issue, I guess. Or maybe you just like

shift gears and go okay i guess this is what i accept i mean it's possible it's feasible for a woman to have a completely disconnected approach to what her only fans is and think about only as a this is just a business thing i i'm just making i don't want to work at Wendy's. And so I'm doing this and I'm making extraordinary amounts of money and I'm going to invest this money in real estate. And smart. You could look at it that way. What would be the threshold of acceptable behavior on OnlyFans though?

Because it's like – it ranges from like – Bananas in your pussy. Yeah. You could be just just from what i understand is a lot of fitness industry girls too will just they're already almost nude on instagram essentially right and they will just post different iterations of you know the same poses or whatever in the same kind of clothes but behind a paywall and i guess some of the money they make is from talking to the dudes or the guys thinking they're talking to them, which is often like a.

That's what Andrew Tate did, right? Those Andrew Tate's whole things, like having people pretend. Yeah, he gets a lot of heat because I don't know. I don't know if this is actually what he did. But what people are saying is he would type on behalf of the girls, which is like, I don't know, some people say it's kind of gay. So because it's like you're talking to a dude about, you know, what what you'd want to do with him and this and that. And speaking on behalf of the girl as if you are her, which presumably a lot of girls outsource to whoever they can get to do it or have, I don't know, some cookie cutter scripts or something.

Yeah. But, um, yeah, it's kind of a weird, but if you were doing that, you would know exactly what to say to the guys. Cause you know exactly what the guys want to hear.

Cause if you're just running a scam, I mean, it's not really gay unless you're getting aroused. Thinking about these guys jerking off to your words, which is a very gray area yeah yeah so i can't it's a weird situation for sure it's definitely weird well it's all that's also the the the the criticism that andrew tate has gotten about exploitation so supposedly he would get these girls to fall in love with them and then he would get them to go and do this stuff for him. Yeah. It's wild how much content he has that exists from back then

that he's so articulate and well-spoken when he speaks about it, but then some of those videos are so vulgar and whatnot that it's hard to... I can imagine the people who are very hard on him. You watch the old videos. It's pretty hard to side with them when you see those. Yes. Yeah. But also you've got to think of what a person like that is trying to do when they're first getting attention. You're trying to be as outrageous as possible to get as much people to think about what you're saying and talk about what you're saying and engage with it.

Talk about what you're saying and engage with it. Yeah. And the best way to do that is to be like a character, an over-the-top, completely arrogant guy who's shirtless with sunglasses on, smoking a cigar, talking about hoes. Yeah. You know, and pimping hoes. It's like, is it a character or is it really you? And then when you find out, oh, well, no, he actually does run these campsites and he does have these girls working for him okay but then some of the girls talk and go actually he's like really nice and he was kind and he gave me this business opportunity i wound up making a lot of money with it and you're like oh okay this is complicated like how much of this is theater

and how much of this is like if it's your real feelings that you know these women are subhuman little robot flesh creatures that you just extract money from yeah yeah any interactions i've had with the guy before he was you know super famous and whatnot i've always been positive too like super nice guy very intelligent guy yeah super extraordinarily intelligent yeah and you know his brother too yeah doesn't get as much credit but you know they're very very smart guys but boy but boy did they tap into there's this thing that's going on where men do not feel like there's anyone that represents men in popular culture like actually what men actually talk about when they're alone When men aren't just hanging out with men and not trying to impress women or trying to not get yelled at

the wild shit they talk about and you know if you can be the most exaggerated form of that this world champion kickboxers Staying there smoking a cigar making fun of simps and you, you know, that's very appealing because it doesn't exist. Yeah. Like, you're never going to see that on CNN or NBC. It's not, no mainstream media platform is ever going to tap into this, what is obviously a lucrative market. Young guys who don't want to be like their parents, they don't want to be like their teachers, they don't want to be like their parents they don't want to be like their teachers

they don't want to be like any of these people they see around them that seem neutered and pot-bellied and fucking depressing and and talking about equity and inclusiveness and they're like jesus fucking christ and then they see this guy and like oh yeah i like that guy yeah yeah no he's definitely definitely inspired discipline and taking action. And it's like a different. Take responsibility for yourself. Yeah. Yeah.

So. I mean, it's like a more problematic version of like what Jocko does. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. But it's also, it's different, you know, because it's like, you know, he's in the, he really is in the pimp and hose business. If you're running campsites like that, you're really farming those girls out to make shitloads of money for you. For a bunch of suckers.

I can't even imagine what the life of an OnlyFans manager or something would be. There's got to be a lot of them. Oh, for sure. I would assume. I know that there's a lot of people that they hire that manage the girls' DMs. So there's like companies, I guess. Is this the case? I've just been told this.

There's got to be agencies that are turnkey. Yeah, we'll take care of it. I really got offered to be a recruiter for one of those. They wanted to use my verified account. I was like, what? I mean, that's sneaky, but what? So what did they want you to do? DM chicks to offer them

like, you can be on OnlyFans. Oh, God, Jamie. Do you know how bad that would turn out? They don't fucking know that already. Why would I have to tell them? But if I could convince them to do it, it yeah the return is i get a kickback of their revenue i just i just remembered that as you guys are talking about it so when they contacted you what did they say like hey jamie do you know a lot of girls that are willing to take the close off we've noticed your it's one of these uh dms i get from multiple accounts for various reasons

but like we've noticed your account. I have X amount of followers. You could probably be doing this kind of stuff on Instagram. If you do, you know. And how much would they give you? Off the top of my head, I don't remember. I could check. I feel like it was 10%, 20%, something like that.

That's lucrative. Yeah. You can get a bunch of really fucking. I've heard these guys are making 50%. The managers do. They just split it. Wouldn't surprise me. That seems crazy. They're not doing anything, though.

The girls don't do anything besides make the content, and then the managers are running the account. They're not even just doing messages. Still, 50% seems pretty high, because without the girl, you don't have anything. I think a lot of naivety around business operations, though, would definitely drive girls to think i don't want to deal with you know accounting i don't want to deal with this and i don't even know how so right yeah by all means take 50 that's especially if someone can come to you with a pitch that says

look you can do this and you can make three thousand dollars a month or you can do this with us and you can make 150 000 a month yeah so yeah you'll get 50 we get 50%, but it's a much higher number that you're going to be dealing with. Yeah. And you're not going to get there on your own. And we have this vast network and we can also introduce you through other girls. Like other girls are like, this is my friend Cindy. Like you'll see them do that on their Instagram page. Follow her.

And then, you know, they're just like pumping each other up like comics would do. Like, hey, go see Mike. He's playing at the Ha Ha. Really funny guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know He's playing at the Ha Ha. Really funny guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, Cindy's got a great pussy. Check her out. I wonder who the Joe Rogan of OnlyFans chicks is.

There's got to be one. Yeah, there's got to be like a ringleader of all. What's her name? Puts them all on, put platforms. She made $48 million last year, I think is what I read. Oh, not in that way, I guess. Yeah, different way, but she's the top of... Who is it?

The rapper? Yeah. Oh, wow. Jesus, 48 million? Yeah. Jesus. God damn. So now you go, show your asshole, baby.

I want a Ferrari. I think for 48 million, you better be. Yeah. Jesus. Well, also, you could just do that for three or four years, and you don't have to do shit for the rest of your life. Izzy Azalea, the new queen of OnlyFans. Not even Cardi B can match her racy content.

Damn, she's got a hot body. 48. There you go. 48 million. Good for her. Jesus. Good for her. 45 for Cardi B.

That's still pretty good. Here's the wild one. It's Tyga, who's a guy. Is this, like, self-reported, though? Like, how do they even get these figures? They've shown those. Most of these have come from them sharing the figure, like, online. Like, they'll take a screenshot or something.

But I don't know specifically each one. Scroll up. We can see the two of them. Oh. She's hot. I get it. It's like when you see a, I don't know, like, when you Google somebody's, like, net worth or something. It's like, you know, is that actually know, when you Google somebody's net worth or something, it's like, you know, is that actually what it is?

I feel like probably not. Yeah, it's right here. When you say that, it says her net worth is 15, but she just made 48. Reportedly had a network prior to that. 48 million from the website. We're at a 320% hike in our overall value. That's crazy. Wow.

Wow. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense. If you're just a business person, and especially if you're a celebrity in that world, like the female rap world, what's the longevity of that? You've got a few that hang in there. I mean, how many long-term rap females have been super successful? I'm a little ignorant in that genre. Yeah, I definitely don't follow it closely, so I'm not sure either. How's that Tiger guy making all that money?

I would have to. He's got me intrigued. What do I have to do? I mean. An extra 20 a year? Yeah, that seems pretty insanely high for a dude who probably doesn't post porn videos. Right. What if we had one episode of the JRE OnlyFans where we did it only in jockstraps?

How would that work? We probably would need a jockstrap camera, maybe. I don't know. It would be like all gay guys. You could say you're in a jockstrap right now and nobody would know. That's true. There's no camera. That's true. Women don't pay for guys though there's just like there's for taiga who's who's paying for him i've only heard there's a guy that's on the challenge his

name is devin this tv show on mtv and he makes a lot of money doing that but i think he said yes just it's all guys i feel like unless there is makes was full-blown porn for gay dudes to buy, I would be very skeptical of 20 million, even if he's like an A-list celeb. That seems insane. Is Tyga an A-list celeb? He's like in the Kardashian world. He is? Yeah.

What does he look like? I don't know what A-list actually means, by the way. I don't know what it means anymore. It used to mean nothing. Yeah. Or it used to mean you were only movie stars i think he might have been with kendall he's on the screen that guy makes 20 million a year he's had popular songs but i would imagine 20 million a year from only fans do we have any examples of his only fans content uh you gotta pay for that bro but there's got to be something you could find on fucking reddit my understanding is they're pretty intense with making sure it stays off of the paywall so it says

see this says he deleted his account oh so is it kind of meant him and a bunch of chicks thing that's what his thing is cuz it's like who's paying for that you know that's just like Instagram hype content. Well, if it's him and a bunch of chicks, I could see how you can get guys to pay for that. Oh, it's his rod. Hold up. Go back to that.

Go back to that. I clicked too many things real fast. I didn't want to be staring at it. Go back to that. Maybe this one. Yeah. So he does show his cock. I'd assume that's him.

Well, assuming by this one picture in Reddit that it's also him. Right. But that also could be a filter that makes his dick bigger. Yeah. I bet they have that. Probably. They have lip filters. For sure.

They have filters for your eyes. They give you eyelashes. If girls are doing that, you'd be insane to not do it. Yeah, you want to make some money or not, Tyga? Yeah. Get that dick filter running. Tyga starts OnlyFans model management company, and he's looking for clients. So he would also be incentivized to say he makes more from his own to exemplify how revenue-driving he is.

But are they allowing self-declaration? Tommy Lee's got his cock out. Jesus. He's got that 60-year-old fucking weathered cock. So Tommy Lee joins OnlyFans. So Tommy Lee's showing his hog. Yep. Okay.

I guess you can kind of get away with that if you're Tommy Lee. Yeah, I guess. I had a meeting with Tommy get away with that if you're Tommy Lee. Yeah, I guess. I had a meeting with Tommy Lee once when he wanted to fight Kid Rock. Oh. A buddy of mine is one of Tommy Lee's bodyguards. Tommy wants to meet you. I'm like, okay. So I go to one of their concerts.

When they were doing that show, Rockstar Supernova. Do you remember Rockstar Supernova? No. When was that? It was like a television show where they put together a band. They, like, made a band. Okay. And Tommy Lee was a part of it.

Who else was in that? Who is that? What was that really handsome guy? Dave Navarro. Wasn't he in that, too? Who are these guys? I don't know, but Tommy Lee was a part of it. Right?

I'm looking at the pictures. I don't know. Oh, there's their names. So Lucas, Rossi, Gilby, Clark, Tommy Lee, Johnny Colt, Jason Newsted from Metallica. Yeah. So they had this thing. So anyway, we went to the concert. Good show.

And then afterwards, I got to meet Tommy. And Tommy was like, I want to fight Kid Rock. I want to kick his fucking ass. Because Kid Rock had dated Pamela Anderson. And Tommy used to be married to Pamela Anderson. So they had some fucking... So they were trying to set up a fight. Like, Kid Rock and Tommy Lee in a fight.

So what were you going to do? I was going to, like, introduce him to trainers. I just wanted to... He asked... He just wanted to talk to me about it. I did not know what he wanted to talk about. And so then when I got there, I was like, hmm. Okay.

What do you, what's your lifestyle? Like, how committed are you to this? Like, how much can you train? Like, how much time do you think you need to prepare? Like, do you have any experience at all in combat sports? Like, do you just think you're going to kick his ass because you hate him? You know? And Kid Rock, like, I don'll put my money on that motherfucker like he

seems he seems like a guy's hit people in the head with a rock before so who why didn't that happen oh I don't know a lot of people there's a lot of those things that people talk about that never actually take place cuz like the reality of it Elon vs. duck I was supposed to fight um wesley snipes oh yeah yeah yeah that was real like that was lawyers in negotiation i was training twice a day for six months it was fucking hard i was so tired all the time and i only got like a taste of what it's like to you know to train like an mma fighter because i was i was training knowing that the fight was eventually going to take place so i was building up a base so I was kickboxing every morning and then I was doing jiu-jitsu every night

and I was doing it for six months so why did it fall through I think because he knew I was going to kill him I think in the beginning he thought that he would be able to stuff takedowns and he would kick my ass and then he found out no I'm a taekwondo champion yeah i'm a kickboxer that's i'm way better at standing up than i am on the ground yeah and then i don't know what happened but there was a bunch of different demands like at first it was going to be 50 50 and then you know he wanted to be 60 40 and i'd agreed to everything i said just and then finally it was like okay give me just this amount of money and give him whatever the fuck else you want It was like, okay, give me just this amount of money and give him whatever the fuck else you want.

I'm like, I'm going to fucking strangle that guy. Let me get a hold of him. And it never happened. But I just wanted to do, I just like, this would be a perfect thing to do. Like he's never fought in MMA before. I've never done it before. This would be fun and it'll make a lot of money. And just, I just, the idea of this guy who had never had any competitive fights at all, ever, that he thought he could do that.

I'm like, okay. Like, you're not going to know what that feels like. Like, I might have done it a long time ago, but I've done it. I know what that feels like when the referee's looking at you, are you ready? And that's a moment that if you've never experienced that moment ever in your life and the bell goes ding and you're like, oh, shit real there's just gonna be too much weirdness for him to process you know and i guess it wouldn't be good to have that uh blemish on his uh history just kidding no no i just you know i think he was doing a lot of blow if i had to guess because he was in a bad situation where he owed a lot of taxes and um he had some advisor those like you, one of those dudes that tells you, you know, it's unconstitutional to pay taxes.

Look right here. There's a few of those guys out there that will get you convinced that, you know, they're not going to prosecute you. Because then it will have to be revealed. The taxes are against the Constitution. And there's a lot of wacky people that people fall under the influence of, unfortunately. And he wound up going to jail. Oh, geez.

Yeah, he wound up going to jail for tax evasion. Damn, dude. How much time did Wesley Slimes do in jail? Taxes are a weird one, right? Because if you owe taxes, like if they find out you owe, you don't just pay them back. They put you in a cage. They did it to Lauryn Hill from the Fugees.

Dude, it's like the most odd. Yeah. Here it goes. Snipes is convicted on misdemeanor charges of willful failure to file federal income tax returns in 2008, was sentenced to three years in prison. After an unsuccessful appeal, he served 28 months in federal prison. Jesus. God damn. I think Shakira is also dealing with something like that right now.

Yeah, I think she got off, though. Oh, really? Didn't something happen where she won her case? I think that's, was that in Spain? Yeah, something like that. It's like I wonder what getting off even entails in that. Because if they determined you owed a bunch of money and haven't paid, you just did and they didn't catch it somehow?

Right. How much paperwork do you have? She struck a deal. She struck a deal. A lot of money to pay. God damn. Yeah. Accepted the charges.

She accepted the charges and a fine of 50% of the amount owed, more than 7.3 million. Is that pounds? What is that little mark? Euros? So she got to not pay taxes and then paid half the amount. How does that make sense? I don't know.

Oh, you just pay an extra 438K and you don't have to go to prison. Yeah. That's got to be unique to where she is, I would think, right? Yeah. I think in America, they try to make an example of people especially famous people hey kids pay your fucking taxes the irs does not fuck around yeah and it's a they're a shady institution they they go after you yeah yeah have you ever had a uh situation that was like fuck i need to get an accountant? No.

Usually there's some sort of, like from day one, you're pretty dialed. I've had a business manager for 25 years. Oh, damn. Yeah, luckily. Yeah, I've always wondered how you oversee so much stuff or if you just have like how you built the team under you to oversee everything. Yeah, you have to have people. You have to have real people that really know what the fuck they're doing that do this for a lot of other you know high income people yeah yeah they they know what they're doing they they make sure you pay all your fucking taxes and you don't have to think about it and you don't that is the last place you want to be is in the hole to the government

that's when you're in the hole of the irs they start auditing you and find out you've been lying about this. Or maybe you've been deducting things you can't deduct. They start going up your ass with a microscope. It's not good. And if they find out that you did willfully not pay taxes like Snipes, they fucking put you in jail, man. And they do it to make an example out of you. Because if you're a famous person like you know lauren hill or someone like that how long did she go away for i think she did a year oh geez

yeah it's crazy man they'll take fucking superstars and i don't know what her deal was if it was a similar situation where someone had told her she doesn't have to pay taxes because like you would think that people that are making millions of dollars, well, you'd have to have some sophisticated people around you. But that's not the case. No. Often not. Here it is.

Federal judge has sentenced Lawrence Hill to three months in prison and three more in house arrest for failing to pay taxes on close to a million dollars in earnings. Damn. Which is crazy because she could have easily made that million dollars back for the government and they're like no go to jail jesus go to jail so how do you vet because obviously you have uh some of the financial advising people that will tell you weird tax strategies and things that are sketchy like Like, how do you vet that dude 25 years ago

who has been great? I got very fortunate. He's very conservative. He doesn't fuck around at all. He's like, you don't want that smoke. You want to pay your fucking taxes. You know, he does everything by the book, you know, and they're really good

and they've been around forever. It's like, that's what you need. It's like, you would think athletes at the highest level of the game wouldn't be involved in shady gym bros that might be handing them stuff that's going to pop for USADA. But yet it happens all the time. All the time. There's a lot of weird guys that wind up being sycophants and hang out in camp

that could tell you, you know, this stuff, they're using it in Holland and no one can test for it in America. And you're like, oh, no one can test for it. The next thing you're taking it. Did you hear anything about this that just was going on right in the background of stuff that's very important in life? I did hear about it, but I didn't hear the details. So it says Glenn Big Baby Davis convicted in NBA insurance fraud scheme.

And what was the scheme? My understanding, without getting too into details, is that once these players, not graduate, but when they retire, they're still afforded some sort of... Pension? It's part of the pension, I guess. And based off of how they go and file things, they get payments for certain levels of whatever it is,

doctors, dentists, whatever it is doctors dentists whatever it is just fraudulent invoices were created over x amount of years and they were just taking the money i guess and they like i guess a few players got wrapped up into it but i remember reading about it it was just like a thousand dollars here 1500 bucks here two thousand bucks here and it just adds up yeah but these are guys that you know nba champions made millions of dollars the thing is you make those millions of dollars and then your career's over and you're like oh shit yeah and you got this lifestyle and you got a house and a big mortgage and a rolls royce or something you You're like, oh. Yeah, I can just, how many pro athletes do you know

that have, you know, been crushing it and then got way in over their head with lifestyle? A lot. I know a lot of fighters like that. And with fighters, it's also, you're compounding the issue of traumatic brain injury because one of the things that happens with people that have been hit in the head a bunch

is they become very impulsive. They make risky decisions they gamble a lot they're they're real they're something gets knocked loose that's a real thing it happens with football players it happens with a lot of fighters and those people they lose their impulse control it's part of getting hit in the head a lot it makes makes you a little bit more reckless, which is really wild. Damn. Yeah. So they, if anyone needs that high level advisement, it's those guys. But they would also need someone that they would be willing to listen to, right?

Because a lot of these people are also very headstrong, you know, strong egos. They've been doing it their own way. these people are also very headstrong, you know, strong egos. They've been doing it their own way. They become champions that way. And to like adjust that shift in the way you think and say, oh, I'm kind of a fuck up. I'm a little wild with my mind. I need someone to invest my money. And then find someone who's willing to do it when your career is already at this point where, hey, three years from now, you're going to be making making zero money like if you're a 36 year old fighter for example and you're competing in the ufc the odds of you being competing in the ufc in three years are so low there's only a few guys there's guys like jan bohovich who's a world

champion in his 40s um glover to share a world champion in his 40s. Like most fighters, by the time 40 rolls around, like Daniel Cormier is another example, rare, very rare to be elite at that age. Most of those guys are done. And when I see a fighter and I see like a guy who's like on the way up 28 and he's fighting a guy who is established at 36, I'm like, ooh, this might be the one because this might be the time when the wheels fall off. All right. Because all those years of punishment on the body, you never know what's going on with injuries.

It could be a neck, a back, a hip, a knee, something that fucks with them. It's not enabling them to train properly. They can't make specific movements when they want to because it's painful So even though they look good, and they're fighting they might be compromised like pretty significantly Yeah There's guys that fight and they have fucking bulging discs in her neck that are giving them like nerve pains in their hands and if they Get caught in a guillotine. They're fucked. Yeah, didn't you uh you said recently Usman his knees are just destroyed absolutely decimated destroyed Yeah, and we were talking about it yesterday with Daniel if you if you see the difference between Usman's upper body

He looks like a Greek God and then you get down to his lower body. There's almost no muscle tone They're thin legs They're they're tiny legs and a lot of that is because he can't do anything with them. His knees are bone on bone. His cartilage is worn out. He has almost no meniscus. He has to walk backwards downstairs. Damn, dude. Yeah, and he's a world champion.

Has he tried? I'm assuming he's done pretty much everything. You probably sent him down. Yeah, he's gone to Columbia, got stem cells. But the problem is, and it's a big problem with these athletes, is that if you do get, like, my friend Shane Dorian, do you know who he is? Yeah. Big wave surfer.

Shane just went down to Tijuana to the CPI, which is a great place to get stem cells in Mexico. He went down there, and they told him, once you have this procedure, so he got a bunch of injections directly into the discs of his back to mitigate disc degeneration disease, which is just essentially like compression of your body, smashing down the discs. They told him you're not doing anything for eight weeks. Nothing. So for a guy like him, it's like super fit and very active. It's like, what can I do?

You can walk. You have to give Like you have to give these cells time to actually do their work. And if you're constantly putting stress on those joints after they've had stem cells, you're just completely aggravating all these preexisting injuries and conditions. And stem cells are never going to get a chance to do their job. Like you've got to give this tissue a chance to reproliferate. You've got to give your body a chance to heal. And it's got, they have to go to work. And if you're constantly beating your body up during that process, it's not going to

work. You recently had it done and you're taking how much, you have to do the same thing, eight weeks off? Yeah. You have to, you, if you're doing something like that, you have like a pretty significant injury. Like I would imagine this is the longest I've heard anybody be asked to take off. And that's, I think because they're going into his discs, but I had a torn MCL on my

left knee and, uh, I got stem cells in it. And then like a few weeks later I was training hard again, like kicking the bag and doing Muay Thai and kicking pads. And it just kept getting, it kept flaring up it just what and then I said okay I see what the fuck is going on here and I know how hard-headed I am I got to take a year off of Muay Thai and I took a whole year one year I didn't kick at all and all I did is those knees over toes guys things and stem cells and now it's great but I had to give it that time i was just always re-aggravating the same injury it would get a little bit better to the point where it didn't

hurt anymore and then when you're throwing kicks the amount of torque that is on those joints when you're going full power you're taking your the mass of body, which in my case is 200 pounds. You're exploding off the ground. And then you're slamming your shin into this hard pad over and over and over and over again. It's just brutal punishment on your joints if you've got some sort of a compromise, if something's wrong there. What was the recent treatment you had done? Like what was it for? I had it done just a couple days ago because because I have, I think what is overuse,

I think it's probably like some sort of tendonitis in my lower back. And it's from archery. It's from, you know, when you're pulling a bow back, I have two bows. One is 80 pounds to pull back and one is 90 and so i'm pulling 80 or 90 pounds 150 times a day damn over and over and over again so it's this motion where my right arm pulls back and i'm anchoring in and then i'm locking it down and a lot of that stability and locking it down and like maintain your posture is in my right lower back. That's where like everything sort of like balances out. That's like the fulcrum or the point where all the stress of my upper back and my legs meet. And that's what kind of keeps it stable.

And that was getting overused to the point where I would draw my bow back and I could do it a few times. And then like on the 10th time, 11th time, it would start to flare up, and it was becoming an issue. So I got some stem cell shot into that. So do you have to take how much time off of the bow now? I have to take some time off. I'll take a couple weeks off.

Okay. Yeah. But I have an easy bow, too. I have one bow that I keep at the studio that's only 60 pounds, and so that one doesn't seem to bother me. So I could do that. It's just like as soon as something bothers me I stop and then I'm doing the ice bass and I'm rolling it out I'm shooting bpc 157 in there and it's better it's it's already pretty significantly better nice yeah that's uh is that so part of your daily routine is like 150 shots. No, no, no. Like you said, every day I'm doing 100 to 150.

Oh, yo, shots with an arrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. I thought you meant like DBC 157. That would be insane. No, no, yeah. Every day is like 100, at least 100 shots. So that's just here or where do you?

I have a range here at the studio that's an indoor range. And then I have at my house, I have an outdoor range. You got to show me around after. I don't think I've ever even seen the – Have you seen the gym? No. Oh, yeah. We got a great gym.

It's like a real gym gym that you would like pay a membership for. Is it public or – No, no. I'm assuming. Comedians and my security staff are the only ones who use it. And so it's like i've been doing these comedian workouts where i take these guys that you know they've been talking about it for a while they don't work out at all and i'm like look come down we'll have a fun time we'll laugh around a bit and

we'll i'll start you off real light i started them out with just body weight exercises like we're gonna do i do like a series of 100 push-ups and 100 body weight squats every day and it's, what I do is that's how I warm up from my cold plunge. So I start the cold plunge. That's the first thing I do. And then I do, once I'm done with a hundred body weight squats and a hundred pushups, then I can start working out because I'm pretty warm by then. And then I'll start doing my other stuff. And so what I would do with these guys is I would start them out with the body weight squats and the pushups. And I'm like don't you have to do sets of 20 I'm like if you could do five if you could do 10 do five because we're gonna do five sets and so you'll wind up doing 25 push-ups and you wind up doing 25 bodyweight squats which is not a lot but I'm just trying to build them on a base and then

I had them doing very light kettlebells you know like 10 kilograms and you're doing swings and you know i'm teaching them how to rack and cleans and presses and then i worked them into windmills and then once i got them going for a little and then one day the rock came so we had a serious workout and i'm like just everybody try to keep up but we're gonna get after it today who chooses what me okay me so the rock does your yeah he did my workout okay yeah which is cool to see him do because I think what he mostly does is stuff that generates size. I think he does a lot of machines. Yeah, he seems like a very bodybuilding focused and longevity for his joints and whatnot because he's in his 50s now. And he did football, pro wrestling for years.

I mean, it beats your fucking body. Out of all those guys that are retired pro wrestlers, he is unquestionably in the best condition. Like he's not, like Hulk Hogan comes in, he's got a crutch, you know, and he's fucked up. He's got to walk with a cane. He's had like seven. I think he lost four or five inches of height due to back surgeries. Damn. Because they're just fusing all his.

You got to think you got a little space in between each spinal column. And then that goes away. That goes away. That goes away. So everything is compressed. And then that creates all sorts of problems in your body because everything is kind of out of a line now. And then your back is one stiff rod because everything's fused it's fucked but the rocks avoided all that like he's in pretty good he's not that mobile like we had him doing

like windmills you know what a windmill is you clean press with a kettlebell and then you go down like this with your hand all the way down to the ground and then all the way back up that was a struggle for him he's pretty tall too yeah he's's huge dude but he's just he's doing mostly like bench press squats he's doing things with machines leg curls leg extensions i think he does a lot of machine stuff which is probably the safest way to do that shit does he usually train on his own with no workout partner yeah he does seems like every video he's like in a gym that's like been propped up somewhere and it's still like all the equipment is there but there's no one there and it's like a mobile facility i guess yeah that's that's what he does i mean he has that and then he has this enormous uh place

at his house yeah so it's all see it it, it's all machines. I mean, it does have some dumbbells, but the vast majority of what he's utilizing is, you know, machines, which, you know, you really can get strong and you really can get big with those. Yeah. But what those things don't seem to do is allow for coordination through use of movement that would give you functional strength. Yeah, yeah. A lot of it is you become very limited in your ability to do actual athletic maneuvers too. Even when I first started bodybuilding, I was teaching swimming lessons and was a lifeguard.

And I had to teach the kids certain different kinds of strokes and whatnot. And my backstroke in particular the mobility of my shoulder and actually being able to get it past my ear even it was like i was like smashing my head with my delt and i couldn't even like keep a straight arm because i was so inflexible and it was uh that was the first time i noticed damn this is really limiting yeah yeah like you become athletic looking and like you could do things at a high level because you just look good objectively, but the actual athletic performance capacity is dramatically hindered if you don't focus on that stuff. Well, certainly with bodybuilding, right?

I mean, if you see those guys that are competing in the Mr. Olympia, I can't imagine that there's much that they can do. Yeah, like that Tom Havland like that uh tom haveland yeah oh yeah yeah he's a great example of jacked as fuck huge and does a lot of like functional type stuff yes yeah what is his deal yeah he's a interesting character for sure i uh i think he's former special forces. He kind of, I think he used to compete in certain strength events, powerlifting potentially. There is some videos on YouTube from a long time ago, and his face is actually showing, which a lot of people don't know about. But yeah, he's like 6'8", 350 right now, I think. Yeah, he's trying to get to 400 pounds that was his thing yeah i think he did before i don't know if he's still trying to get to 400 but

yeah the guy is uh a fucking freak show for sure a real freak show yeah and he's like it's his equipment it's like you don't even know where it came from it's like is this a fucking piece of uh like railroad equipment i know a lot of it is like shit he built. And what's really crazy is most of the stuff he's wearing work boots and like a fucking lumberjack shirt or some shit. Like, look at this. Like, how odd is it that he wears all these clothes while he trains? Yeah. Like, there's definitely a, I wouldn't want to work out in jeans personally.

Right. That would be the last thing I don't want to wear. Like, why is he doing that? I don't know. work out in jeans, personally. Right. That would be the last thing I'd want to wear. Why is he doing that? I don't know. What is the mentality about... I guess it's... It's got to be you just like the way it looks, man, I guess. It must be.

Because it's certainly not for function or comfort or anything. Right. Why is he wearing work boots? Why is he wearing jeans? I mean, why does he never show his face? It's like the ultimate blue collar, you know. This one's wild. He carries a log while he's got offset weight,

so the chain is wrapped around his right arm, and then he's dragging 100 pounds behind him. When Goggins asks who's going to carry the boats and logs, I show them this guy. I mean, what a strange thing to do but he also is a big advocate of carrying things like one of the things he said if you want to get strong take something heavy and carry it around yeah yeah and it's like uh stuff that actually would translate into you know real life yeah look at this shit. This guy will carry your groceries, bro. I mean, this is insane.

This farmer's carry. He's like, how much weight is that? 410 pounds, farmer's carry. What's that, Jamie? Each hand, 410? Each hand, 410? Farmer's walk with 800. Oh, my God.

Now, look at that. Look at those. Those are not weights. Those are, like, gears. Like, what are those things that he's got on the sides? He's got, like, one plate, and then the other thing looks like a gear. So everything he does is, like, these really awkward movements. But then he supplements that with traditional stuff, like Zurcher squats, deadlifts.

Yeah, I don't know why he's, I think his Instagram's private now, too. Yeah. I don't know. Burned or intake? Intake. Today's calories, 6,389. Jeez Louise. Which is like, you know, for his size, yeah.

I can believe it. A hundred percent. He's fucking 6'9", or whatever he is. Yeah. I don't understand his, like, branding, though, around the whole don't show my face, private Instagram. I don't know what it is. Because, like, obviously the posts are to document progress and or inspire people or bring attention to programs or something. But then it's like, I don't know know maybe he got a lot of harassment or something now you get to see him with a shirt

oh there we go fucking guy's a house look at the size of that motherfucker i think that's why he wears all those clothes that's very distracting from what he's doing if he's just trying to show you how strong he is you just like look how like look at this He's doing an axle with two wheels on it Yeah, like what? Imagine driving by and seeing this guy Just walking around in the fucking field. Yeah carrying logs and shit. Yeah, look at he's got two wheels on each side. He's doing these shrugs these shrugs.

Very strange stuff. Yeah. And he's pulling things with his neck. I mean, he literally looks like a superhero. Yeah, yeah. What is this jailhouse strong? Does he have programs that you can buy? I think so.

Because he's got a website. Because that's one of the things that he... It says book series. What is it? Go to it. I'm trying to do everything I want. Hold on. No worries. No frills training, gas station ready, Amazon selling book series, Jailhouse Strong Instagram. Is Jailhouse Strong a website?

You go to jailhousestrong.com? It's like a Facebook profile. Go to jailhousestrong.com. See if there's a website? You go to JailhouseStrong.com? It's like a Facebook profile. Go to JailhouseStrong.com. See if there's a website. Apparel. Okay. So Jailhouse Strong is just his apparel. It's all him.

It's all his giant back. Okay. Hey, he's definitely not overly promotional, though. No? You almost wouldn't even know that he has anything. Yeah, that's what's really strange about it. It's like, what is he doing? I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know, man. He's getting people to talk about it. For sure. Maybe that's part of the mystique. Brian Callen sent it to me first. He goes, you need to see this freak. Yeah. And he goes, you heard of Tom Haviland?

I go, no. He just reads me all the details of how big this guy is and all of his videos of him from behind lifting insane amounts of weight. Oh, jeez. I feel like every year I'm going to be asking the same question as Brian Callen on TRT yet. Not yet. No, I don't get it.

What's he waiting for? He's falling apart. He's waiting to die. Literally. I don't understand it. Yeah. He claims his testosterone is fine. Oh, really? Okay. Okay. I don't know it yeah he claims his testosterone's fine oh really okay okay i i don't know who he's going to he's like certain friends listen and certain friends are stubborn and they just don't listen and they're like okay do it you know do whatever you want to do with all these comedian guys i was telling them forever as long as they would listen i'm like if you have more energy you'll be able to do more all these comedian guys i was telling them forever as long as they would listen

i'm like if you have more energy you'll be able to do more things in your life like forget about what you look like but you will most certainly look better if you lift weights and work out and eat well but maybe more importantly you'll have more energy for everything you do in life including go on stage like i'm 56 years old I still do two shows a night Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday that's six hours of comedy in three days and I don't get that hard I'm fine cuz I'm fit they eat well I'm healthy I'm like I have energy like you don't have energy like you guys get tired doing one show what's your current I don't know like supplementation and or drugs for

staying dialed or mentally sharp or is it just perfect diet? Well, for supplementation, I've recently had Gary Brekka on the podcast. I started taking all the different methylated vitamins and things that he recommends. I just started doing it.

I feel great, but I can't tell if it's been an improvement. I also ordered one of his light beds, which seemed, Dana White's face looks like he's 10 years younger. And there's a thing that happened to him that happens to everyone when you lose body fat. I noticed when I get on the carnivore diet,

like your cheeks get kind of sucked in and you kind of look like shit because it's like you don't have face fat anymore which kind of fills your face out more so your face starts getting like kind of sunken in his face did that at first and then it plumped up again and i'm like what's going on with that and he's like it's the red light bed like the red light bed increases collagen in your skin and you use it every day and he uses it he's got a routine that gary brekka does what does he call it the superhuman protocol something i forget what he calls it is dana still like i'm pretty sure he was on a keto diet when he was dieting down is he still on yep he's gonna be on that forever

he's like dude i feel so good i have so much energy and so much mental clarity because i'm staying keto forever he hasn't added carbs cyclically around work. No, no, no. Cause that would definitely be like, he's holding less water in his face too, when you have no carbs. Right. So that would be a big, you know, suck out of there. Yeah. Well, that's what happened with me for sure. When I got on the carnivore diet, that's one of the things I lost a shitload of body fat. Like I got really ripped like pretty easily. I'm like, this is kind of extraordinary. And also the thing that that's the most beneficial to me is the uh mental focus and clarity which i did i mean i did it once before in like four or five years ago i did it for a month and i lost 12 pounds but i kind of always

went off it on it eat pizza have pasta you know one or two days a week i'll fuck off yeah but i've been really good at it for the last couple months like i had a slice of pizza last night and then on saturday night i had some sushi the majority of my diet though then that's rare i won't do that again for another month or so the majority of my diet is all just meat and eggs and game meat and bacon and it's it's all just healthy fat i'll still eat avocados and avocado oil and i'll occasionally have a piece of fruit but the vast majority of my diet is just animal based so you don't like i feel like when last time i was here we were talking about like fruit and adding it in around your workouts and whatnot like is that sometimes

i'll still do that i'll have like a banana before I work out. But it's not every day. It's like once a week, something like that. Or I'll have berries and yogurt. But most of my food is animal-based. And when I do that, I have 100% recognition that there's an extra gear that I have mentally. Like when I first started doing it again, I remember I came home once from my club and I was a little drunk

and I was like, I can't drink every night at this fucking club. Like this is just too, it's too fun. I'm hanging out with these comedians. We're at the bar. We're all laughing. You know,

anybody want to get a shot? All right, do a shot. And then I get home. I'm like, God damn it. I got to clean my act up. And I'm like, you know what?

I really need to go back to that carnivore diet because that's when i felt my best so i go back to it and then within two weeks i notice a clear difference in my mental clarity and this is someone with me who already takes i take this alpha brain black label i take neuro gum i'm already taking things that enhance my focus, but this is a difference, like a noticeable difference. And so that's when I decided, okay, this is how I'm going to eat from now on, because this, this just seems to be for sure the way my body optimize, optimize this performance. Like I just, there's no other thing that I do that has that big of an impact. Yeah. That's a, when you wake up, is it like your, your waking energy levels are

heightened too? Or is it just a stability of those that don't wildly fluctuate throughout the day and they stay constant? Yeah. It's the stability. I'm always tired when I wake up, but then I get in the cold plunge and I wake right the fuck up. There's nothing. It's like the on switch when you wake up in the morning and, and, you know morning and I always, I'll look at my phone. I'll fucking pet the dog. I'm trying to put it off. Do you still have the mental battles in the morning? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I always win, but they're there every fucking day. Every day when I get up to that cold plunge, I'm like, should I listen to music? Maybe I'll listen to music this time. And then I'll get my, I'll got to go get my headphones. So then I get my AirPods. And then what song should I listen to music? Maybe I'll listen to music this time. And then I'll get my – I've got to go get my headphones. So then I get my AirPods. And then what song do I listen to? So it's all procrastination.

But then once you get in there, all that shit's bullshit. And then you're just freezing your dick off for three minutes. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. And today it was just covered in ice. I'm just pushing the ice aside and climbing in. Today it was just covered in ice. I'm just pushing the ice aside and climbing in. But when I get out after three minutes, it's just this rush of endorphins.

You just feel fucking amazing. You feel great. And then my mind's firing, and then I'm in a great mood. I just got to get through it. Do you still train right after? Yes. Okay. Today I didn't because today I was up really late last night. Like a bunch of people.

Like Daniel Cormier came to the club last night and Gordon Ryan and my friend Anthony from the UFC. And there was just like a shit. Michael Bisping was there. So we were all at the bar until like 2 o'clock in the morning. We were all just laughing and having fun. So I came home. Then I had some food, watched a little YouTube. I didn't get to bed till like 4 30 so I woke up at 11 just got in the cold plunge did whatever shit I had to do the house and then made it to the studio today but today's

the rare day where I didn't work out right after the cold plunge what's like a typical day in the life is it like wake up, cold plunge, workout? Yes. Then eat something and podcast? Yes. Okay. Yeah. And then after that?

Yeah, usually my first meal is at noon. Okay. Usually my first meal, I'm generally waking up in the morning, saying goodbye to my kids, getting the cold plunge, starting my workout routine. And then my workout routine is always followed by sauna. So cold plunge starting my workout routine and then my workout routine is always followed by sauna so cold plunge starts it off i heat my body back up through body weight squats and push-ups and then depending upon the day i have a i create my own routines and i found that that's the best way to do it for me where i know like i write it all down on a whiteboard and then I know like what I have been doing and I know like

okay um I I'm doing pretty well with this weight let's ramp this weight up a little bit let's let's change the reps let's add in these let's add in one or two extra you know kettlebell movements to this routine you know and so I'm working out for an hour and a half or so and then when that's over i do the sauna for 20 to 25 minutes and then uh then i eat is that typically here like you come typically here or when i'm doing these comedian boot camp things when i'm bringing the comics in so what i do is i'll tell them don't try to keep up with me just i want you to do like can you do a chin-up okay if you can do a chin-up i want you you do a chin up okay if you can do a chin up i want you to do one chin up if you can do three chin ups i want you to do two just do two stop i'm gonna give you like five minutes of rest and then we're gonna do dips i'm trying to like get

them through these routines where they're not like struggling to pick up a fork the next day so you know i i started incorporating the torque sled. Do you ever use that? No, no. That thing's fucking fantastic. We have a 40-yard strip of AstroTurf, and then we have this torque sled,

and it's a resistance-based, it's a really phenomenal sled because you don't have to put weight on it. Oh, nice. You just reach down and crank the gears up. Oh, that's a little better.

You could put up a tremendous amount of resistance on it. So it's really hard to push, and then we push it all the way down, and then we pull it all the gears up. Oh, that's way better. And so you could put up a tremendous amount of resistance on it. So it's really hard to push. And then we push it all the way down, and then we pull it all the way back. Yeah, finding a – I would like to do sled, but public gyms often it's – you're that guy when you're, like, walking through the fucking middle of the entire walkway. Right.

So there's only so much you can do with the flexibility on that. But, yeah, I would like to do it at some point. Yeah, you kind of almost have to take the sled out into the parking lot or something. Yeah. A place to do it. I used to do it in my yard. I had one that I would do outside. I would strap this weight thing around my waist, a weight belt, and clip the cord to

the sled. And then I would stack like 90 pounds on the sled and then just do a lot of it's doing it backwards so i'd pull it backwards which is really good for your knees that's like what ben patrick the knees over toes guy what he recommends so i would do that a lot but then i got the torque sled it's just so much better yeah that's the torque that thing's the shit because you can change the gearing and so like for a lighter person You can make it a little bit easier And then if you really want to go hard you could crank that bitch way the fuck up and it's fucking hard to do

Yeah, I might start doing a reverse. It's like reverse treadmill walking. That's my favorite this way Yeah, reverse treadmill walking is great. Apparently. It's like Maybe it's not as it's not as good as this obviously but it's like i've had patellar tendonitis for years and i've kind of just like left it essentially and the knees over toe stuff that's kind of like the next best alternative to sled work it seems like yeah so i should uh yeah the knees over toe stuff is great i do like with my body weight squats i do them on a slant board oh nice so my knees going way down and i'm going all the way you know ass to heels

and all the way back up and it's made a giant difference in my ability because when i go elk hunting my ability to move around through the woods my legs have gotten way bigger just from doing that every day but also i add you, you know, like a goblet squats with kettle bells. I'm doing lunges. I'm adding a bunch of other things to it, but the consistent one every day is the body weight squats. Not a day goes by where I'm not doing a hundred body weight squats and a hundred pushups because it's pretty easy to do. It takes 10 minutes. You could just do it. Just force yourself to do it. Who do you think just do it just force yourself to do it who do you think's the most uh improved comedian body composition wise zero of them no they still eat terrible

but they feel better which is the most important thing so i've got them feeling better now in january do you usually do like a nove or October competition with certain? October. Yeah, sober October. But that's with Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura and Ari Shafir. But what I'm doing with these guys is in January, we're going to do a carnivore diet only. So January is apparently World Carnivore Month. That's when I first started trying. apparently World Carnivore Month.

That's when I first started trying. I'm like, okay. It's a thing where, like, if you know that other people are doing it and you're being held accountable and you declare that you're going to do it, hop on and try it. So I'm going to tell these guys, for the whole month of January, I want you to eat nothing but meat and eggs. Just nothing but meat, eggs, fish, fat. Get all your healthy fats, meats, and eggs.

And you can have some avocados. I want you to eat bacon. But I want you to just completely cut out all sugar, all bread, all pasta, all rice, all bullshit. And let's see how you feel at the end of the month. But you got to commit to it. And so they're all on board for that. That is where they're going to see radical body change because they're just going to, they're going to reduce their body fat. Your satiety level from just eating meat is so different.

It's, it's crazy. People that have a problem overeating, like I have a problem overeating. Like if, if I have a pizza in front of me, I will eat that fucking whole pizza. If I have a bowl of ice cream or a carton of ice, I eat the whole carton it's something I've noticed is a portion control of like men versus women I don't know what it is but like dudes it's whatever is in front of me I will decimate the whole thing but for girls it's like oh I'll have a little piece of this yeah I can't have it if they're doing that around us and how they are? Because it's not bad for a guy to overeat in front of a woman. Ah, right.

You know? Like if a guy sits down with a 22-ounce cowboy ribeye and a side of mashed potatoes, like no woman is going to go, what are you doing? Yep. You know? So you think they secretly want to decimate it too? I think so. I think especially when it comes to like carbs and pasta.

I think it's just human. What do you do for – because this is interesting because Peter Atiyah, for example, is known as like one of the foremost longevity experts. He's seen as the go-to guy for a lot of – I don't know. People seek education from his content and whatnot. Yeah. I don't know, people seek education from his content and whatnot. Yeah. But even him with his dialed in practices and whatnot, if the stuff is in his house, he will still go off the rails.

So last time I talked to him, he was mentioning how him and his wife were having an argument about keeping drumsticks in the freezer for their kids. Because when it's there, he just slams three of them and it like pisses him off. So now he has this deal where he just takes his kids to ice cream whenever they want ice cream rather than having it physically in the house. Yeah. Obviously you have kids. How do you handle that? Well, believe it or not, my kids eat really well. My youngest daughter has really gotten into fitness,

and it's kind of this strange shift where she gets up in the morning and hits the gym before she goes to school and she'll run 10 miles wow it's nuts dude it's been watching goggin shit i don't know what it is man but something's switched in her you know it's been pretty recently like over the last five months she's super consistent you know i mean it's it's very strange like i'll get up if i have to get up early and it's like 6 30 in the morning and uh she's in the fucking gym that's she's in the gym riding the treadmill probably helps you as well for like well it's inspiring yeah and i'm i'm proud of her it's because no one's telling her to do this yeah and then she's you know what happened she got a

fit bit she said i want to get a fit bit and so we got her a fit bit and then she's you know what happened she got a fitbit she said i want to get a fitbit and so we got her a fitbit and then she's like hmm what's the what's the what's a step goal that more most people have and so she's been getting like 28 000 steps in a day holy shit dude she's a maniac it's nuts and her body's changing like the only time i get that is if i'm in europe on a vacation or some shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty amazing.

Well, she does sports. You know, she does volleyball and basketball and soccer. She does a lot of different sports. Okay. But she's noticing also that it's an improvement in her sports. She's not getting tired. When the other girls are getting tired, she's like, let's fucking go. It's kind of interesting.

But it's also, it's so weird how your kids will just, like something will snap into them and then they'll be really into this thing. And then that becomes the new part of their life. Yeah. I think that's one of the, uh, the biggest reasons for, uh, using those trackers and whatnot, like gamifying it is I think for some people kind of the thing they need to make it interesting enough to follow and want to beat personal records and whatnot. Yeah. So it's kind of interesting because that I don't know. You're obviously familiar with Brian Johnson. We talked about him before.

The not Brian Johnson, liver King, Brian Johnson, the billionaire vegan longevity, dude. He has like this age tracker that tracks his chronological versus biological age and he has like this leaderboard where people are also competing against each other for rate of aging and this leaderboard is constantly shifting with all these people who are getting on board trying to optimize whatever biomarkers they can and you know their exercise regimens supplementation diet etc and it's the biological clocks are kind of not founded in science necessarily but is it measuring telomeres like what are they measuring it's it's like a methylation so it's as much as you could point to the results of it and it would show an outcome that reflects a rate of aging that is potentially slower than what your normal chronological aging would be, which is, you know, like one year equals one year.

You could be point six per year if you were doing everything amazingly potentially. But still, that is highly manipulatable via like very, very acute changes. So if you do something, for example, if you're super healthy for even one or a few days, you could change the result of that plus minus like 10 years. So,

so often, like, I think there was one study where the same guys tried multiple different tests and each test had a different result based on just what they were doing at the time so it was like obviously if it was a legit tracker it would your age biologically would not shift 10 years every day it would make no sense right so anyway this leaderboard though although the science is kind of you know not necessarily founded it's cool to see the gamification of it where people are at least trending with things that are improving their state of uh like quality of life performance etc

so as much as like the whole like the problem with it obviously is when people start to monetize the age clocks and start to sell you supplements and shit around it to try and help your biological age drop faster or whatever but overall people are tracking this stuff and getting meticulous about trying to beat each other they're competing to get as healthy as possible doing all the right things so yeah it's pretty interesting and he's uh interesting constantly talking about how he's like you know top ranked and fill in the blank metric um Isn't he on a vegan diet as well? Yeah, which is, it's really interesting because like some of the stuff he does, I think is great.

Like he's putting out good information, but then sometimes it's like, I think his total calorie intake is like 2,250. His protein is like barely a hundred grams, which for your body weight is not that great. And then obviously the, the value of the protein from the vegan diet is questionable depending where you're getting it. And then on top of that, he's using testosterone to maintain his hormones as they're suppressed

via the diet model he's on. So he like, he has all these metrics that he touts as, you know, check out my improvements in these biomarkers. And you'll say I'm top 0.01% in grip strength for my age or top 1% in, you know, liver markers or what have you. But then you'll be like, I'm top 1% in testosterone. And it's like, yeah, you put it in there. Yeah. Like no shit, buddy. So you could be higher than that if you want. Yeah. You can manually change it tomorrow. You could be top 0.01%. But yeah, overall, the stuff he's doing is interesting. And people, overall,

the gamification of it I think is good to keep people, I don't know, make it more interesting and want to actually improve. I wonder what led him to try the vegan diet.

Because if he's so meticulous about monitoring his nutrition, his supplement intake, he's got to know that the most nutrient-dense form of food is meat. Yeah, but he has like 7,000 supplements, so you can just make up for it. Can you?

I don't know, dude. I guess you kind of could. I was definitely personally kidding. What he eats daily, nutty pudding, extra virgin olive oil. So my understanding is based on whoever he has on his team interpreting nutrition literature and drug literature as well will dictate his choices of what he's doing. And I think he also has like an ethical stance on meat consumption to some extent. Oh, okay. That makes sense.

Okay. But he also claims that every calorie he eats has intent behind it to where it's deriving the highest value from a longevity perspective, which is questionable, obviously, when you're looking at what the fuck are some of these meals, right? Yeah. This is his dinner at 11 a.m. Yeah. What? So what time does he get up?

1 a.m.? What the fuck? So does he get up? 1 a.m.? What the fuck? So maybe he has one of those restricted calorie eating days. He intermittent fasts for a big chunk of the day, and then he compresses it and makes sure it's far enough away from going to sleep to not mess with his sleep quality. And then he has apparently one of the best whoop sleep scores on earth, supposedly, is what he claims.

Which, you know, i wouldn't doubt is legit but i mean like that's an example too of gamification which is is cool in my opinion is when you can track trends in oh last night my heart rate elevated by x amount which is abnormal why did it happen oh maybe it was that i ate you know this snack that's shitty for me five minutes before i went to sleep and then my body temperature elevated. It was harder to get to sleep. And my heart rate's trying to, you know, I'm metabolizing food while I'm literally trying to sleep at the same time.

Like there's stuff you can see in the feedback, which is cool because you wouldn't dig into it yourself otherwise necessarily. So when you have it in this nice laid out, like visually friendly format too, and it's giving you notifications hey tonight you should probably stop eating two hours before sleep or what happened yesterday your hrv is lower and perhaps focus more on recovery like that kind of stuff i think is cool so it is cool and that is one of the aspects of these fitness trackers that some people have said can be an issue because they they have the same sort of addictive qualities that video games do because

you're chasing numbers, you're chasing steps per day, calories burned. It could go off the rails for sure for some people. Yeah. But at the same time too, I know a lot of people who would never get 10,000 steps if it wasn't on a tracker of some sort.

Yeah. The trackers, we used to use we when we did the sober october fitness challenge we used the my zones tracker okay have you seen that one no no it's a you're wearing a chest strap and it gives you points based on how much energy you exert and how much time you spent at like 80 max max heart rate. So what we realized when we started doing this challenge, like the challenge was for someone to get the highest score by the end of the month. What we realized is like burning it out in the red, you can't go as far. So you can't do as many calories in a day and you can't get as many points in a day.

It's just too hard. Your body breaks down. But you can stay in the yellow for a pretty long time. And the yellow is like 140 beats per minute. And so it ramped up where we were getting a certain score like 200 a day, 300 a day. And then one day Ari realized you can watch movies on an iPad while you're on the treadmill and you just keep going. Isn't it weird how sometimes common sense stuff

totally escapes you, and then all of a sudden you realize one day, I could have been fucking listening to music when I'm in the cold plunge or something? Yeah. Well, instead of just straight suffering through the cardio, you're getting engaged with this film, and it just becomes normal.

Yeah. So you're just breathing heavy while you're watching you know apocalypse now or something that's like got you riveted and so ari racked up a big score one day like 400 points we're like what the fuck did you do he's like sorry boys game changer i realized you watch movies while you're on cardio and then we started going really crazy and one day i did seven hours of cardio because i wanted to break the guys because burt kreischer was talking shit so i did seven hours of cardio and i ramped up an 1100 score for the day i set off the fire alarm in my gym from sweating holy

shit dude yeah i got a video of it i there's puddles of sweat on the ground where it looked like i threw water everywhere yeah so i'm constantly drinking water and electrolytes like constantly and sugar i was drinking like cans of coca-cola root beer i just needed some form of like quick easy calories while i was doing here give me some volume on this from my workout then i set off the fucking fire alarm. Oh, my God. Holy shit. Jesus Christ.

Look at that puddle, boys. Yeah, that was when I was watching John Wick like 50 times in a row. But, yeah, like that was, I mean, that was October in California, so it wasn't that hot out. It was normal temperature out. And I'd made that room so hot just from my body weight that the steam from my body set off the fire alarm. Have you ever gone to a walking, like a standing desk before? No.

So one of the most wild things I've seen seen and maybe this is more common than i know but ben greenfield the like longevity biohacking dude you've had him on a couple times i think yeah yeah he uh essentially every time he's doing a podcast he's walking on like a treadmill with his desk in front of him or walking outside so the guy is literally never not in motion, essentially. Like he is, I don't know how many steps he gets in a day, but a lot of people maybe in that space, like the biohacking niche are literally like raising their desks, shoving a treadmill underneath it and then like making sure they're getting steps while doing emails or while podcasting, which is pretty wild. I think that makes sense. I mean, if you could just walk around and do podcasting, you could do that. But for me, my desk at home in particular is for writing.

And I couldn't imagine writing standing. I need, I need no distractions when I'm writing. I need a blank. Like I use focus mode on Microsoft word where you don't see anything, no notifications pop up. You don't see your tray. You don't see anything. No notifications pop up. You don't see your tray. You don't see anything. I just see the text on the screen. That's it. That's the only way I could do it. And then I have to really like lock in for hours just doing that. If I was walking, it would just be another thing that my body would be occupied in that would take away the resources from thinking. Did you ever get a burner phone that has no apps and stuff? I think you were talking about that before. I have a phone that has no apps, yeah.

Okay. Has it made a big difference? It makes a difference. But my friends still send me these fucking Instagram links. Oh, to that number? I have two numbers now. Okay.

And the old one still has Instagram on it and all that jazz, but it significantly cuts down on my use of it. Significantly. Yeah. Because most of the time, see, this is what I found out. If you have two phones and one phone, if you have an iPhone and one phone, the iMessage is hooked up to your number and the other one, the iMessage is hooked up to your email account. You still get all the text messages from the old number because they're going to the iMessage email account.

So that's how this phone is set up. So you really can't call me. Okay. But you can send me text messages, and the text message will go there. But I also found that if someone calls me on the other one and I have this phone hanged up to the email account, the phone with the email account will ring. They're not even calling the same number. Oh, Jesus.

Yeah. That's annoying. I didn't know that. Did you know that, Jamie? It's a setting. It's a setting. It's a setting. You got to turn it off or on.

Yeah. So I toggle it. Okay. Yeah. So I'll switch it back just to the phone number, and then nothing comes through. It's a good hack. I saw Alex Ramosi, if you guys know him. Yeah. back just to the phone number and then nothing comes through you it's a good hack i saw um uh

alex formosi if you guys know him yeah he's a like a business entrepreneur content creator um super jacked yeah super jacked and um he has this hack that uh he mentioned where you basically go into your color filter settings and you set it to gray scale and just like that instagram is like 50 less enticing to around on that makes sense yeah so like next time you're on the toilet you pull out your phone it's like oh it's black and white i don't care about this yeah it's a time suck boy and i always trick myself into thinking that i'm going to get something out of it for material there's got to be something that i connect with here that's kind of like, what? And I'll get one of those every 10 days, 15 days.

But those other days is just nonsense. It's just looking at muscle cars and fucking nonsense. Yeah. I don't know if it's the algorithms are changing or what, but the Explorer feeds are kind of fucked up now. Mine are all murder dude it's my twitter at least is basically that yeah yeah twitter's wild under elon you see that that interview he did with the new york times the other day oh yeah he would like told him to go fuck yourself he goes let me be clear go- You don't want to advertise on my platform? Go fuck yourself.

How much has he changed since you first met him to now? Because at least based on podcast behavior, he seems wildly different and more loose and bro-ish. He's having fun. Yeah. He's a fun guy to be around. Yeah. And he was here, last time he was here he brought his son and you know

he's hanging out with he's like a fun guy he's not like people have this idea he's this like fucking serious driven businessman which he most certainly also is but he manages it all really well like he's always laughing he's having a good time off camera the first time you met him too or did it kind of was like a warm-up period the first time you met him too or did it kind of was like a warm-up period well i think it was a warm-up period he has to get to know you yeah and know he can trust you i mean when you're the richest guy in the world there's probably a lot of people cutting angles on you and it probably gets really odd but what i did notice is that the first time we did the podcast when i first met him he was super loose and relaxed. Like he has his fucking, he brought me a blowtorch that not a, what is it?

Not a flamethrower. Boring. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot what the company name is. So we, so he's, there's famous photos of him in my studio firing off this fucking flamethrower with 17 feet of fire coming off the end of this in the middle of our lobby He's just wild but I guess when you have that much money

You're not you really have zero concerns like you could just be if you're that guy you could just be kind of a silly guy He's just fun. He just likes to have a good time and On the podcast though. It took a while to loosen him up. I think the – there's also like – there's a thing that happens to people when they come on podcasts, at least this one, where the scale of it hits them. Yeah, it's like the UFC championship of podcasting essentially. Yeah, it's like just the numbers of people that will be paying attention. Yeah. You know, but once we started drinking, we had a couple of glasses of whiskey, and then things got loose.

Then we were having a good time, you know? Yeah, one thing that's really good about this, I'm sure you've heard this a million times, but how chill the setup is with you guys. It's like I've been on podcasts where it's like i feel like i'm on a uh i don't know like the news or something or it's some like big production and it's pretty intimidating when you have seven camera crew guys running around you every two seconds and there's you know seven different camera angles that you're thinking about and oh don't shift this way too much oh don't do that yeah and here it's uh i think a lot of people would be surprised how like chill and laid back the whole setup is.

It's by design. Yeah. Like it's definitely the most conducive to a real conversation. I feel like, yeah, you don't want a bunch of people in the room with you. Like I've done people shows where they have people in the room. I go,

do you understand that these people are distracting? Yeah. And it's like, it's going to take away from the conversation. I think a lot of people, and I'm not a pro podcaster by any means, but I think they're of the opinion that higher production value consistently, no matter how high it gets equals better without thinking about the detriment it has to the actual conversation. It

becomes very manufactured. Yeah. Well, I think particularly with this kind of podcast, you have to be aware of what are you making? Well, what you're making is a conversation that you want to be as easy to listen to as possible. So you want the person who's the guest to be as comfortable as possible. You want to give them as much space. You don't want to interrupt. You want them to feel good. You want everybody to be having fun and be friendly and have them be the most relaxed so that you can have an enjoyable conversation that you would digest if you're on a road trip or you're on a treadmill. That's what I'm trying to do. And the only way to do that is to make people comfortable. And the only way to make people

comfortable is to not distract them. So when I do some people's podcasts and they have literally a glass wall and there's a control room and you see people running back and forth and they're holding up pieces of paper and they're timing things and there's five control room. And you see people running back and forth. And they're holding up pieces of paper. And they're timing things. And there's five different people on the keyboards. And I don't know why they want to do that. I don't understand. Obviously, not everybody's Jamie.

And one of the things about having a guy like Jamie, it streamlines the process so well. Because Jamie does a job of three people, at least. There should be three people doing what he does. There should be one person that's Googling, one person that's switching the cameras, another person that's monitoring the sound levels and overseeing everything and making sure the lighting is good and everything's going smooth. You'd have multiple people doing what he does. So you mentioned 25 years ago, you got a great financial advisor. How did you guys meet to get this whole setup? I just met Jamie at a comedy club. Yeah, Jamie came to a show at the Ice House,

and we were just talking, just hanging out. He told me he's a professional audio engineer, and he was saying we have problems with our sound. And I said, what would you do to fix it? He goes, I could take a look at it. And that was kind of the extent of the conversation, right? pretty much and Then Jamie said he took a one-way ticket from Ohio to come to LA

This is what he wants to do and I was like really but it was like it seemed to me and I For whatever reason I tend to follow instincts even if people say don't do that what do you do I'm like I don't know this seems like the thing to do and like with him I was like I think I'm gonna hire that dude and then right away guy didn't even know I didn't know shit

about him he could have been a fucking serial killer he could have been a fucking con artist I mean did we do a background check on you you'd have to tell me that. There was talks of it, but I don't know. I think we probably did to make sure you're not a criminal. I did sign something. Yeah.

But then right away, I was like, yep, I was right. He's the man. What episode did you come in on? Jamie's been here for nine years. Yeah, no, 11. 11 years. But like there was some episode number where prior to that i don't remember the audio was shitty and everything around 300 okay 290 300 was when i

started yeah but uh again not everybody's jamie yeah but jamie is jamie and i are like kind of telepathic in this weird way we're like I'll be talking about something and Jamie will already have it pulled up. Like, I'll start the conversation. I'll like, did you see this new jet? And then all of a sudden, Jamie's got the video. And you'll see guests go, how the fuck did you,

how'd you do that? Did you guys plan this? I'm like, he's the man. He's like, we have like the best working relationship in that regard. And, you know, like, I have other friends that run podcasts, and they're always complaining. They're like, the producer chimes in too much and interrupts sentences. They get things wrong.

They fuck this up. They do that wrong. They don't show up on time. They're late with their video editing or whatever the fuck it is. There's always something. And Jamie and i just have it dialed in but again it's a skeleton crew we have one guy who's a video editor we have one guy who's a booking agent so it's like because everyone would be wondering who has a podcast

like how do you find a jamie or something that is like high level positions even for like companies you have i've always wondered how'd you find the people to run those so you can actually do what you do best yeah well with the com the comedy club's a good example with the comedy club when i started that and i came out here to austin it was like the universe had opened every it was like you know when you're driving sometimes you hit every green light? Yeah. It's like, it's red.

Oh, it feels, yeah, it feels like it's meant to be. It's amazing. Yeah. That's how the comedy club was. It's like, I realized that, you know, I had always had this idea that I wanted to eventually get out of L.A. And as my youngest daughter started getting older, I was like, I do not want them growing up in this fucked up,

materialistic, fame-driven, bizarro world of L.A. Because it's not conducive to becoming a healthy human being and developing discipline and being present and just having like a well-adjusted, well-balanced adult human being. I'm like, this is a fucking mess over here. Like I see these people that are adults that are raising their kids. These are grown up babies, raising babies. I mean, this is fucking madness. I got to get out of here. And so when the pandemic hit and then the riots were hitting and then there was fucking zero police presence and there were keeping all these businesses locked down and all these restaurants, these guys I knew that run restaurants, they were all going under. The comedy store was fucked. They weren't letting them host any shows. There was no standup to be done. And we came out here in May of 2020. And initially

I was thinking maybe we'll get a vacation house and we can visit here and go. And then my kids wanted to live here like right away because when we were in L.A., everybody had a mask on and you couldn't go to a restaurant. We came out here. We're eating in a restaurant in May of 2020. And I remember my kids. I can't believe we can sit down in a restaurant. We don't have to wear masks like they checked your forehead when you get in there. The temperature was all nonsense.

Yeah. What's your temperature? Make sure not. And then and then you sit down, you eat and everybody was fine. And then a few weeks later, they just let loose everything. They're like, eh, no restrictions, go back to life. And Gavin Newsom's like, everyone's going to die. What are you doing? And they kept everything locked down forever. Kept kids out of school forever. So we came out here. And when we came out here, we started doing stand-up. So I started doing stand-up with Dave Chappelle at Stubbs,

which is an outdoor venue. We did it very responsibly. We tested the entire audience. The audience had to get there an hour before the show. Everybody got tested. We really only wound up filtering a small handful of people out that tested positive for COVID over the course of, like, however many shows we did there.

And then we started doing shows indoors. And when we started doing shows indoors. And when we started doing shows indoors, that's when I was realizing we really need a comedy club, like a real comedy club here. Because comics from L.A. started moving to Austin before I even had a club because they realized that I was doing shows here and that we could all do shows together.

So I'd be like, come down, do a couple shows. So I'd fly them in. They'd do the podcast. They'd do a few shows at the club and they go this is fucking amazing it's like we're doing comedy again and then they started moving here and then the comedy store was shut down so because the comedy store was shut down all of the best employees were unemployed so I contacted the talent manager I taught contacted the manager I contacted the bar manager. I contacted the manager. I contacted the bar manager. I contacted

all these people. And I said, hey, I'm going to open up a comedy club, but I want to hire you now. And so I'm going to pay you. You'll fly to Austin. I'll give you money to relocate. And then you'll get free money for like a year and a half. You'll get paid a full salary. You'll, insurance, everything. Just come here and we're going to build this club together. And so everything aligned perfectly so that when the club was open, we were dialed in.

The people had already lived here. We, like Carrie, our bar manager, is amazing. And she literally recruited the best waitresses and bartendersenders brought everybody in they we got up and running and we were smooth within a week so it was like finding her though is that you or me i knew her okay she was a good friend gotcha she was my friend at the comedy store for years like we would always hang out together and you know have drinks after club she was just cool as shit.

And she was really disciplined. And she was really good at keeping creeps out of the Comics Bar and making sure that everybody wasn't being infringed on. Because there's a Comics Bar at the Comedy Store. And it's literally Mitzi's bar. She has a bar from her home that is in the Comedy Store Comedian's Bar.

And that was our place. We'd go in between shows and after shows. And we would all hang out there and it was just fun. It was just laughs and this and that. And I'm like, that's gone now. When we were in Austin, I'm like, I need to recreate that. And I needed Kerry. I needed Adam, who's a talent coordinator. I needed all these different people that understood how to run a club and had been doing it at the highest level at the store.

And they were all available because they were unemployed. So it was like everything was perfect. Everything was perfect. It was like all these doors just opened up and then bam. And so when people say, how did you put together this comedy club? I'm like, I don't know if I could have done it any other way. Cause if I had to start from scratch and all these people were employed and they didn't want to move and LA was going great, I wouldn't be able to recruit them. I wouldn't be able to say,

Hey, leave your whole life and all your friends and come to Texas. Yeah. But it was, it was attractive, you know, three years ago. Hmm. So overseeing it it all is it kind of just like you have high level people who take care of it and you can just focus on your comedy yes the fun shit yes yes i mean there's a few issues that i have to deal with there's some decisions that have to be made and there's problems that have arisen but nothing major it's so pretty pretty manageable but it's because the team is really good. And if I didn't have good people, and also people that are legitimately my friends. Like if we never worked together again, I would still call them, we'd talk, we'd hang out. They're all my friends.

So when we started working together, putting together this club, it was pretty easy. It was like, again, it was like the universe set everything up said you know what the world needs is a new hub of comedy and i think you could do that so we're gonna like align all these things you could do this thing that's completely separate from hollywood which was always the problem in california you would see these talented comics that would start watering down their material because they were starting to get television shows. And so guys who were wild when they were younger, they would say hilarious, funny shit that was like really risque.

They curbed that. And they started becoming a little mediocre, just a little soft around the edges, a little, they nerfed all the hard parts of their act. And because they were connected to this machine, this fucking woke bullshit leftist machine that wants you to subscribe to a very predetermined pattern of ideas and notions. And if you didn't, you were out. And if you wanted to talk about Christianity or conservatives, you're gone. They're not going to hire you. They're going to hire another person. You're not going to run The Daily Show if you're also running a right-wing website that uncovers political discrepancies in the Democratic Party.

They won't hire you. Do those shows still do well? No. No, they're dead. They're dead. They're useless. I mean if you go on The Tonight Show now, no one watches. I mean, if you go on The Tonight Show now, no one watches.

It's like it used to be when Johnny Carson was running The Tonight Show, if you were a comic and you got on The Tonight Show, you would be headlining clubs all across the country because 20 million people were watching. And if you had a big splash with like a great routine and they'd go, hey, he's going to be at the Charlotte Funny Bone tomorrow night, and then people would go see you. And it was the best way for comics to get discovered was the tonight show now it's a non-starter it does nothing it does nothing what's the best way to get discovered now just like podcasts 100 youtube videos tiktok

videos podcasts i mean there's guys like this uh guy i had on the other day, Ralph Barboza. Very talented young comedian. Just started putting some stuff out on TikTok. Went from being a guy who was trying to get opening acts, like he was trying to like middle for friends like my friend Brian Simpson and some other comics that were more established to all of a sudden selling out

like five shows in a row on a weekend. And then, you know, doing theaters and like like that it went from struggling to killing it in over a course of a couple of months yeah it's like that uh matt rife as well yeah same thing yeah yeah that guy's exploded exploded yeah and all just from crowd work videos and you know stuff that he puts on tiktok and youtube and instagram so in general maybe it's a stupid question, but people who are at the comedy, it's the mothership, right?

What was it called again? Comedy mothership? Yeah. Okay, so if they're performing there on a semi-regular basis or what have you, what material are people doing new stuff to test it out constantly? Or it's like, what are you doing to not burn through existing stuff? That is, you know, you're putting it up on Instagram and stuff like that.

Yeah. Cause it's like guys like Matt, right. For example, their crowd work videos go bonkers. Yeah. But then I'm assuming that stuff is not part of the actual, like main thing.

So, and this is like a totally inept, you know, not no idea how this works. That's why I'm totally oblivious and asking like this, but is it only testing new stuff and crowd work at these shows? Or like, how do you even decide what you should put out when you're doing these,

uh, these videos? Yeah. Or like even when they're performing at your place, it's like, Oh, are they hesitant to use good jokes? Cause it will get used up before they can do a Netflix special or something?

Well, I think what most of these guys are doing is they're filming stuff, especially if you're filming unusual moments in the crowd. Andrew Schultz is great at that. He's got a lot of these videos where he's not burning material because it's just a unique situation in the crowd. And he's really good at crowd work. so put these videos up but he also has really good stand-up material some of these guys are good at working the crowd but then their material's shitty like the best guys are like andrew like schultz is great at stand-up like regular his material's brilliant and also he's great at fucking around the, like regular stand-up. His material is brilliant. And also he's great at fucking around the crowd because he's real loose.

So he'll make a lot of videos of just crowd work. Those videos go viral. Then he eventually puts the material together where he puts out a stand-up special. That makes him even bigger. And then it all compounds on each other. That seems wild how people could be like situationally funny like context dependent so that that's like what if you're the guy who's good at crowd work but not have good material or vice versa there are guys like that huh yeah there's there's both kinds of guys yeah there's guys that are really good at material and then something happens in

the crowd and they fall apart yeah you know that's that's a that's a crutch too that's really good at material and then something happens in the crowd and they fall apart. Yeah. You know, that's a crutch too. That's not good. You don't want to be in that situation. You want to be loose. Yeah. Or when something goes down, you can go, what? What are you talking about, man?

Like, what is it? And for the most part, one of the things that's really good at the club, we keep people from yelling out shit and we keep people from interrupting. The most important thing is the stand-up and the environment that the comics are able to be comfortable in doing their material, so it's the best show for everybody. So if you

get some loud person that just needs a lot of attention, they can distract from the show. I've had guys yell things out, and they completely interrupt a bit. It's got a build point, and they'll stop it right there, and you can't really restart it so that bits done now so you have to abandon it so you have to stop people from doing that and you got to kick them out I wonder how many people that are trying to come up create like synthetically create crowd work situations tell their buddy like hey go to the show and yell out this fucking I'm sure I'm sure that's the case but the best guys don't need that like guys like schultz he doesn't need that he doesn't do that he just he'll see some interesting

couple and then he'll start talking to them and joking around he's super friendly and so it feels loose and they're enjoying everyone's smiling you know and he it's great it's a different skill set you can't fake it to make it like you can only get so far by faking it. You have to be genuinely, impulsively funny to make that work. Right. And he's genuinely, impulsively funny. He also has a shitload of charisma, which also adds to that. Because it's like everyone's enjoying it.

It's like a good time. And he's kind-spirited. So he's not mean while he's doing this. And even if he says something mean he says it in a way that you're laughing you know and then and then he's like i mean i don't mean anything bad by it like it's like you gotta like him but that what the comics that the uh the mothership are doing that's so interesting is that there is two nights of open mic nights so people that are just fucking rank amateurs that have never been on stage have an opportunity to perform there and they get a couple of

minutes and If you're good and you come back and the talent coordinator sees you and this is how much material have you got? How long you been doing it and then maybe you'll get on kill Tony and kill Tony is the cornerstone of the stand-up community because kill Tony is this wild YouTube show where you have one minute and you have one minute to perform in front of a live audience. They pull your name out of a bucket and then they read it and they go, you know, Tommy Jones, come on down. And Tommy Jones gets on stage and people have careers from that.

Now guys like Hans Kim and David Lucas and William Montgomery, they're headlining on the road selling out weekends, and it all came out of this show. And one of the things about the show is you only have one minute, so you don't have any time to fucking be virtue signaling or to get clapped or woke or talk about your trauma, shut the fuck up and be funny. You have one minute. So it teaches you economy of words. You got to get to the point quickly. You got to edit your jokes well. So they're not rambling.

And you'll see people that don't know how to do that too, which is also awesome about the show because they'll, you know, Tony and the guests will just destroy that person and make fun of it all. It's like a roast table, right? Oh, yeah. 100%. And Tony's like the best roaster alive. So he's like the perfect host for this kind of a show.

Yeah. But so that is our Monday night show. So every Monday night we have Kill Tony. It's packed. It sells out six months in advance. It's an amazing show to go watch if you're in town it's so fucking funny and it gets better every time and he's got like this amazing band these local artists local musicians that play in the band and they're really fucking

good and so the whole show's just and he's been doing the show for 10 years so it's just super dialed in what's the wait list like to be on the you know the open mic the wait list i don't know the wait list to be on kill tony is anybody can sign up hundreds of people sign up every week and they only pull like three or four do you have to put like a audition or like some sort of breakdown nope not for kill tony all you have to do is write your fucking name down damn yeah you write your name down it goes in the bucket they they pull your name out and then you're on damn yeah crazy and every now and then you get a banger every now and then someone will come up and they fucking kill and the audience

loves them you're like holy shit man there's a guy with cerebral palsy that does stand-up through his phone. So he has his phone connected to a speaker, a Bluetooth speaker. And he sets the microphone by the Bluetooth speaker. And he has his phone with talk-to-text. So he will type very quick. And he can only use one hand. Like, his other hand's fucked. So he's using his one hand and typing out a response. And then it'll play out through the phone.

That's crazy. And it's fucking hilarious. Was he on America's Got Talent? Yeah, he was on the finals. Yeah, kids in America's Got Talent from Kill Tony. Huh. Yeah. How popular are those shows now?

America's Got Talent? Still? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think those are pretty popular. I always wonder, like, the really... This is the kid kid see how his left hand is like completely fucked yeah sorry I got a text and my phone died please hold hi I'm so happy to be back

for the finals I'm sure you can hear the excitement in my voice. This is part of... I heard Red Band explain that they had some audio issues during this final that kind of fucked over this whole bit. Oh, I'm sure. Dude, have you seen Simon Cowell recently? Yeah, what's going on with him? I don't know, man. He looks worse than Aaron.

Yeah, what's going on with him? I don't know, man. He looks worse than Aaron. Yeah. I feel like there's a point where the plastic surgery, no matter how little of wrinkles you've managed to get, that's probably a generous picture compared to some of the ones I've seen. Well, he used to be a good-looking guy. That's what he used to look like. Yeah. Right? And now was what he used to look like yeah right and now show what he looks like now like what what his like eyes are sinking his forehead looks

botoxed looks like he's got some fillers in his cheeks yeah the thing that's so weird about plastic surgery is it's like objectively you couldn't really tell why the skin looks old but it just like does even though there's no wrinkles at all good he looked back then yeah handsome he also went on a vegan diet too oh really yeah huh and didn't he like get significantly hurt yeah he got into a bad accident i think on like an e-bike. Yeah. Fucked up his back and surgery. So maybe I shouldn't have said anything. Well, maybe when you see people like that,

it's a combination of multiple things. So if he's on pills because of his surgery, he might be like, eh. And then he's got Botox and his, eh. Just get old, buddy. Just get old and keep your smile. Some of the celebrity stories about why some injury or something that resulted in them getting a surgery to look the way they did, though, is obviously manufactured and totally fabricated. Oh, really? Like Zac Efron.

Have you seen his before and after? But isn't that just he got juiced up to play a wrestler? No, dude. No? Look at his face before and after, and you'll be like, what the fuck? Cowell announced he, okay, he began eating animal-based foods again in order to rebuild his strength. After his surgery.

Aha. Aha. Hmm. Where have we heard that before? 2012. So he fell, he broke his back when he fell off his electric motorcycle. Oh, he had a motorcycle. Hmm.

Many press sources confused with an electric bike. The incident occurred when he was testing in his home in Malibu. Taken to the hospital. Underwent back surgery overnight. Oh, serious shit. After the accident, he began eating animal-based foods again in order to rebuild his strength. But clearly he's got some Botox-y thing, filler thing going on with his mug. Yeah, yeah.

I don't know how old he is. There's a difference between watching someone age, which is, oh, he looks old, to what are you doing? Yeah. Like Madonna. Yeah, it's not even a human anymore. It's like when you see, well, I guess Madonna's. Someone said that Madonna had gotten plastic surgery on her face, and then when they saw her that one time at the Grammys,

her face was swollen still, and that it hadn't gone down yet. Apparently, when you really get a lot of nipping and tucking, it takes a long-ass time. That happened from a fall. Oh, yeah. It was like 10 years ago. Breaking in in a fall. He almost died in 2022, or he revealed he almost died in 2022 or he revealed he almost died sorry in 2022

during the incident almost died by breaking his jaw and then it was responsible for facial swelling apparently apparent in the viral 2021 video for bill nye's earth day musical like basically in a couple years ago he showed up looking unrecognizable and then he claimed it was from an injury and 10 years ago well it says he had a potentially life-threatening illness a form of typhoid or similar bacterial infection while filming the adventure series killing zach efron and pop out new guinea oh wow yeah yeah he's uh someone was telling me that that he looks different but i thought he just got super jacked for the movie i've been Zac Efron's face before and after. He's talking about why his face is messed up.

Is it because of the jaw being rewired? He definitely took shit for his recent role. There's no question about that. But it's like, this is beyond, dude. So you think he got plastic surgery as well? Oh, heavy duty. Yeah? What kind of stuff?

Look at that. Hmm. Tell me that's from hitting your jaw on a fountain. Wow. Yeah. Well, that to that's from hitting your jaw on a fountain. Wow. Yeah. Well, that to me looks like roids. That's like Camille Nanjiani, that same sort of thing. Well, that looks very different.

It's like actual mass accumulated, not just body fat loss, and it's not like his. He's gained muscle for the recent role, but his face, even when he's out of prep for body-type roles, he still looks the same. So, yeah, like Kumail, obviously, he lost a shit ton of fat and gained muscle around his face. So there is some development there, but this is, like, next-level stuff, dude. At least I think so, and I think a lot of people think the same. He definitely looks different.

Yeah, like it's... Yeah. Yeah, it's... So what do you think he's got going on here? Like cheek implants? Like what is it? I think there's like fillers you can get to make this bone pop out way more and make it look like there's more structure to it.

And that seems to me pretty clear there's some sort of fillers or something. And that's what you see in the cheeks? Potentially, but I think mainly the jaw area. It's just so much more substantially pronounced. I don't know. You couldn't chalk it up to roids. Hmm. So maybe when his jaw broke like to gain that much

mass on your face and then not proportionally on the rest of your body it would make no sense he said uh he slipped hit the corner of a fountain passed out and woke up with his chin broke hanging off his face whoa yeah in 2013 yeah so i don't know anyway it's like it's weird too though because the guy is objectively one of the better looking guys in hollywood before whatever he did so it's like what would have what in your mindset would have motivated you to to do this to begin with like obviously i've seen it with women many many times where oh yeah they like fuck up their lips or whatever yeah they just start going in yeah a little bit of this my nose is a little too long and this is girl that i knew and i hadn't seen her for a while

and uh i saw her like two years later and looked like someone punched her in the face because she just had swollen cheeks because she decided to put filler in her face and i don't know her that well so it's not like i can say hey what the fuck are you doing like don't do that like whatever you're doing you gotta stop doing that yeah so it's just one of those things like okay this is what you're doing now huh you just like you're like you know what it makes like this stick up and that takes away the crow's feet because it stretches everything out. Right, right. But it also makes it look like your face is swollen. It's weird because I've seen some young, very attractive girls get plastic surgery and they almost end up looking like an older woman trying to look young, even though they were young to begin with and looked young.

Yes. I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, it's weird. Yeah. Well, you know, it's body dysmorphia. You don't see yourself the way other people see you. Yeah, by the same token, why would a guy take, why do you want to gain a bunch of muscle and take steroids or anything?

Could be seen just as fucked up by. I don't know. I think when guys get jacked, it looks good. Oh, well, yeah. I mean, object... There's a difference. Sure, sure. I'm just saying, like, there's a level of body dysmorphia at both levels for sure. Well, if there was something available for women, like there is for men.

Like, so men can take steroids and they can get jacked. Yeah. And you can get a guy that is just, you know, a fucking pretty normal looking physique, and within 24 months, he looks like a fucking superhero yeah men want that if there was a thing like that for women where you could take this and instead of like cosmetic changes you would literally be more of a woman because these guys are actually physically stronger they can move faster they have more power they're They're a different version of a human being than they were before. But women

don't have that. They just have appearance shit. You can make your tits look bigger. You can suck your waist in. You can get your ass stuffed with fat. And it's not the same. There you go. Jeff Bezos. Not that he did, but if you could go from that looking like that I fully support his

jackedness. I like the way he lives, but if you could go from that looking like that. I fully support his jackedness. I like the way he lives. Yeah, yeah. But when you think about if there was a thing like that for women, so you could take a woman who has, you know, like a twiggy body, just like kind of long and thin and not voluptuous, and they could all of a sudden take a steroid that turns them into Jennifer Lopez. They would all take it.

Yeah, but I think it's less well-known and educated about at scale among women, nor do they care to learn about it. They know plastic surgery. They know stuff they see in magazines. They know the celebrities they follow. But guys, we follow bodybuilders and people in fitness industry and whatnot, and it's a bit of a different exposure, I feel like, but it's actually hard to convince women that getting a muscular ass

is better than injecting fake synthetic fucking blubber. Right. So it's a whole different element of mindset for sure. Well, have you seen the Madonna videos of her on tour now? Have you seen these, Jamie? Here, I'm going to send this to you because it's fucking bananas. Like, I don't know what the hell she is doing, but it is very strange. Here we go.

How old is she now? She's in her 60s. Like, probably deep in her 60s, right? Here, I'm going to send this to you, Jamie. Uh, but, I mean, it looks like she's wearing a fucking diaper. Here you go, I sent it to you. Um, this is something that's, this is madness. I mean, like, she's thin.

I bet her body would look good if she just was this 65-year-old woman who's thin and fit. But instead, look at her butt. Oh, geez. Yeah, what's going on there? That is so insane. It's so insane because, first of all, it doesn't make sense. Like, you could not develop an ass like that and have such thin thighs. Yeah.

It's not possible. And the only way that looks good to have an ass like that is to have those fucking quarter horse thighs that go with it. Yeah. Like when you see a woman who has a big butt that she's developed from squats and then she has the legs that go with it, that's hot. Yeah. That's hot. This is just fucking sad. And also like when she moves around on stage now,

she moves around like someone with arthritis. Yeah, I wouldn't even know how you could focus on your performance knowing that you have, like, a fucking diaper sitting on you. You know? Because it's like I'd be thinking about, does this look, you know? Yeah. Well, I think she's probably delusional at this point. She's got to be.

I mean, you've got to imagine what it's like. You go from being the object of total desire to everyone. Like when Madonna was 27 years old, she'd walk in the room, everybody would be like, holy shit, it's Madonna. She was so hot, and she had this incredible body, and she was so talented, and she was just desired by everyone. You go from that to being a monster. Yeah.

I mean, when you see her in the Grammys, when her face was all swollen, you've seen those images? I think so. Find those images. Yeah, those are extreme. Because they were so nuts that that was the entire topic of conversation for most people after the Grammys. It was like, what the fuck did Madonna do?

Oh, my God. Yeah. That's wild. That's wild. That's wild. I mean, that's pure insanity. It's like Adam's family shit. Exactly. It's all fillers.

I mean, your head is not supposed to be that big. Why is her chin stick out that much? And that's all things that were done to mitigate. Yeah, that's what she used to look like. Crazy. Yeah. So that was her when she was young. So she goes from that to being that.

And what is that? Well, that's the worst journey that a person whose identity is wrapped around them being attractive can ever go through. Yeah. Because not only that, Father Time's fucking you, and then you're fucking yourself by trying to compete with Father Time, and now you're becoming a monster yeah so now when people see you instead of going whoa that's madonna they're like yikes yeah it's a cautionary tale now yeah that's like uh and it overshadows their musical achievements for sure too a hundred

percent because then it becomes a subject of attention. Yeah, like Michael Jackson. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Like, what are they doing now? What's this? Yeah. The Michael Jackson one is the greatest example, for sure, because it was so nuts. Yeah.

I mean, his nose caved in, and there's pictures of him with, like, it looks like some skin grafting around his nose. Yeah. Because it's collapsing. Yeah, there was some speculation around if he was, like, castrated as a child, too. Yes. That was what his doctor said.

The doctor that was convicted of giving him, what was it, profenol? He used to take anesthesia to put himself under because he couldn't sleep. Have you ever heard of the castrati? Yes. Okay. Yeah.

So, like they I Suspect that he similar to them Yeah, it was like a more modern version of that and was castrated in his youth to preserve the Angelic kind of like singing voice. That's what his doctor said His doctor said that his father had done chemical castration on him, which is what they do to some sex offenders They give him chemical castration and they did it to him while he was going through puberty so he wouldn't develop a deeper voice which then begs the question too there's all this like uh all the scrutiny on him for like the pedophilia stuff it's like did the guy even have sexual desire at all right you know it's kind of weird i think probably a lot of that stuff was he was emotionally stunted they say that like

your emotional age is often wrapped up in the age that you became famous so if you're a child star you're kind of fucked for life yeah i don't know anyone that's made it through unscathed every child childhood star i've ever sat down and talked to everyone I've ever met in the real world. They're always fucked They're just I've met a lot of really cool actors Like you hang out like Scott Eastwood if you're hanging out with Scott Eastwood He's like a regular guy you would not know that that he's a movie star Chris Pratt Completely normal I've been around that guy a couple dozen times. I'm in mixed company. I've been in elk hunting camp with him. He's super normal. Just a cool guy. There's people that

are like that, that make it through fame and they're still cool. They're fun to be around. Matthew McConaughey, great guy. Great guy to be around. I mean know wise and says a lot of cool shit he's very interesting but you can hang with him yeah he's not a weirdo yeah and he got famous pretty young but he's smart and he navigated those waters and turned out to be a really exemplary man but there's a lot that don't man there's a lot that they become famous at a young age and they're just fucking broken forever the cory feldman's of the world and the you know fill in the blank there's so many versions of childhood stars that are just destroyed as adults they it's like someone made concrete but they didn't put all the water in right and so the concrete is just brittle and just this

doesn't have structure to it they didn't go through the water in. Right, right. And so the concrete is just brittle. It doesn't have structure to it. They didn't go through the normal process of being a young person, trying to figure out your way in the world, and making mistakes and learning and seeing other people make mistakes and having good things happen. And you realize, oh, that's because I put in the work and I did this. And then you develop this process. And then you mature over the learning experiences. And you become a person. You become a fully adult woman or a fully adult man. You don't go through that if you're famous when you're young. You're fucked.

You're fucked. Everyone who does it is fucked. Yeah, yeah. Some people, I haven't met any, like, huge celebrities really, but some of them you can just feel more relatable when they speak, even in the, I don't know, conversations that are published online and whatnot. Yeah. And especially in podcasts when you see them show up, you can sort of see if that's a person that even has like a human interaction capacity with an average Joe kind of thing.

Yes. Some of them, they'll do podcasts and you can tell that they're in like PR mode. Yeah. And they're putting together, it's almost like they have a routine that they're doing, like, PR mode. Yeah. And they're putting together, it's almost like they have a routine that they're doing. Yeah, yeah. You know? And with actors, you never even know if it's acting the whole fucking time anyway.

Right. Yeah. You kind of know. Do you? Yeah, because they're off script. And then, you know, if I feel like someone's acting, I'll prod them about little things. I'll try to get them to talk about ghosts.

I'll try, you know what I mean? Like, what ridiculous shit do you believe in you know what do you think do you believe in the healing power of crystals you know like there's something you could fuck with them a little bit and maybe antagonize them slightly like joking around see how they react to that just try to get them off of whatever they're on whatever this rant you're on that you've prepared that you you know you think is going to be a good monologue that's going to get you to relate to people like what else yeah i definitely think a lot of now obviously this is just totally unfounded advice from a random guy but a lot of these celebrities become so much more humanized

when they do the podcast that they've been invited on that it seems worthwhile to do once in a while because it's like certain guys they'll have like a weird mystique around them and they have rumors that circulate and go fucking wild like i don't like tom cruise for example yeah you can't help but think that guy is a wacko if you don't know him probably or of like i don't know if he's ever done public stuff. Well, I know he did that Matt Lauer interview on the Today Show and it was a giant problem because he was telling Matt Lauer that you don't need psychiatric medicine

and that antidepressants are terrible for you. And he was talking about Brooke Shields and then Matt Lauer was arguing about it and he seemed like a fucking complete kook. So is he like the head of Scientology or what is that? It seems like it. Yeah. There's another guy.

I don't even know what it goes into that or what can be said about that without getting fucking assassinated. Well, there's the main guy, and then he's got this wife that seems to be missing. Oh, geez. David Miscavige. Okay. So he's got this wife that there has been no sighting of her for like over a decade.

Holy shit. Yeah, there's some weird shit going on. Like Scientology is wild. Like in my mind, I picture Tom Cruise in like an Emperor Palpatine hood, like walking around a palace of like Scientology people. And I'm assuming that's not what happens. I'm assuming it is. Okay.

You never know. I was, I mean, did you ever see the time where he receives an award, some sort of like greatest human ever award? And he gets a like way bigger than the Olympic gold medal. It's like a fucking dinner plate, a gold dinner plate around his chest. And they salute L. Ron Hubbard to LRH.

Have you seen that? No, I haven't. It's leaked internal video of one of these celebrations. Whoever leaked it's dead for sure. Yeah, they killed that guy. They threw him off the fucking Sea Org. Yeah. Fed up to the sharks.

See if you can find that video because it's so bonkers. He gets this fucking award for being a really good actor. Look at this. This is like Tom Cruise. The Freedom Medal of Honor, of Valor. Freedom Medal of Valor. So I guess this is cell phone footage. Look, they're saluting.

This was like the real live stream. This was produced, but it was taken or something yeah some somehow or another somebody got a hold of this and put it out to the general public so david miskovic just give look at that dinner plate he's got his deck he's given the freedom medal of valor to the mission impossible guy and And everyone's cheering. They salute each other, which is my favorite part. So L. Ron Hubbard is a fictional author that is dead now?

Or is he alive? Yes, he's dead. Not only is he a fictional author, he is a guy... Please put his speech up here. We'll talk about L. Ron in a minute. Can we hear him say something? This is so crazy. Look at him. International Association of Scientologists.

They got air horns and everything. Hey. So he's the top dog. Yeah, that's what I would think. Try to skip ahead to 6. Yeah, how long do they cheer for?

It might be like North Korea where you have to cheer or they kill you. You're welcome. I'm really, really honored to be here with you. Thank you sir. That's this whole speech. Thank you for your trust. Thank you for your confidence. Like this is acting. Yeah. In me. I've personally personally been very privileged to see what you do. To help to protect to serve all of us

what's that mean? protect and serve? protect my fucking gay rumors it's pretty kooky but at the end of it they salute L. Ron Hubbard. And they say, to L.R.H. And they all point to his fucking photograph and they salute it, which is one of my favorite times. There it is.

Watch this. To L.R.H. They all stand up and salute. Oh, dude. Okay, so L. Ron Hubbard was not just a writer, not just a writer of fiction, but the single man who wrote the most fiction in human history. He has the most published words of any human that has ever lived. And if you ever read his stuff, this motherfucker never made a second draft in his life. They are terrible books terrible stories it's like the dumbest science fiction that you have

ever read like some person with a mental illness is just rambling and writing all this stuff down and it was i think he initially wrote for like those pulp magazines, like science fiction magazines back in the day. And then wound up writing Dianetics. And, you know, Lawrence Wright covered him and the whole movement pretty extensively in Going Clear. I read the book and there was an HBO documentary series on Going Clear all about Scientology. And, you know, it was all of it. A lot of it was like people that were former members of Scientology, like Leah Remini, that, you know, a certain point in time, they're like, what the fuck am I doing? Like, what is this? And like, especially when you get to the highest levels of knowledge, and then they allow you to go and read these scrolls that are just like so obviously crazy. Like the Thetans came down and they their frozen souls and they threw them in a volcano

and you know you're a container for this like but you only get access to this literature if you're like exactly somebody has released some of it there's people that have released some of it online like you could find it i don't know if scientology's had that stuff removed tonight it's wikipedia okay here's october 1984 American judge issued a ruling writing of Hubbard that the evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background, and achievements. In private affirmations, Hubbard wrote to himself, You can tell all the romantic tales you wish. You know which ones were lies. You are gallant and dashing and need to tell no lies no lies at all You have enough real experiences to make anecdotes forever

Stick to your true adventures or if you wish as you will tell adventures which happened to others people accept them better I don't know what that meant. Oh, he wrote that to him. He brought it to himself He also like gave himself a bunch of medals. So there's like there's like that with their medals Oh, there's a photograph of him wearing like this Sea Org jacket on and it's like littered with medals like he was fucking Overseas he claimed to have been wounded in combat But was never awarded a Purple Heart like he lied apparently about his military background and a bunch of different things and it appears At least what Lawrence Wright is saying that what he created Scientology for was sort of to self-analyze his own mental health issues. And he utilized a lot of existing psychological literature to try to concoct Dianetics.

And Dianetics was a book that they would sell late night TV. Like I bought it. And this was like 1994. I was reading Anthony Robbins stuff. Dianetics was a book that they would sell late night TV. I bought it. And this was like 1994. I was reading Anthony Robbins stuff. And I was always trying to better myself. So reading self-help shit. So I see this commercial for Dianetics.

I was like, Dianetics, this book will unlock all the power of your mind. It was like the commercial had like a volcano and all this different shit. I'm like, oh, okay. I'll try that out. And four years after I ordered that book, I don't think I ever read it. I opened it up a couple times and I lost interest. For years I got invited to seminars and programs and these different things that they would do. They would just use this mailing list they got from the suckers

that ordered Dianetics, and then they would just try to get them to join Scientology. Damn. So it's like a big funnel system. Yeah. And it was super effective, too, because they were really good at recruiting famous actors. So they had a ton of famous actors. You know, it was obviously John Travolta and Christy Alley and Tom Cruise

and famously Chef from South Park what was that guy's name? The singer Isaac Hayes so Isaac Hayes wound up leaving South Park because South Park was shitting on Scientology so is this sort of like the

steroid use celebrity thing where you just don't ask them about it? Like in interviews for the Scientology people, you would think, if I'm having a chance to talk to Tom Cruise or whoever else, I might ask a few things about this fucking... Yeah. You know? Well, I think in order to get access to Tom Cruise,

you have to be vetted as a person who's not going to push him. You're not going to ask him any weird questions about Scientology or anything. I think they're very controlling. And obviously, getting an interview with Tom Cruise is a big get, so you have to agree to all these things. I would imagine that that's part of the program. Right, right, right. That's just a guess, though. But the point is, L. Ron Hubbard literally wrote that if you really want to make money, you start a religion.

That's crazy. And that's what he did. Is like the religion all of his works consolidated or is it just a specific subsect of his random publishings? I think it's not all of his work because most of his work is just pure fiction. Yeah. Yeah, and then you know he had the the stuff where it were at least Lawrence Wright's assertion is that he was trying to psychologically manage his own issues So was his assertion that his fictional work is to be disregarded as connected to this and this is actually real Yes, but meanwhile his fictional work mirrors like the nonsense in his fictional work mirrors the nonsense in Scientology

It just seems so fucking kooky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, what do they believe? Like, what are the thetans thing? Like, there's something really kooky about what the underlying principles of Scientology and what their core belief is. To the point where some of the people in Going Clear, like, they're talking about seeing it. Well, this combines two of our favorite stories from this podcast the trapped in the

closet thing R Kelly oh yeah this is the trapped in the closet episode of South Park right were they and it's Tom Cruise sure yeah yeah they show it in full cartoon oh and they explain yeah this is exactly on the screen it says like this is exactly what's in their book or something like that. We'll play that then. Evil Lord Xenu. All began for people feeling sad and depressed. An alien reason. It all began 75 million years ago.

Back then there was a galactic federation of planets, which was ruled over by the evil Lord Xenu. Xenu thought his galaxy was overpopulated and so he rounded up countless aliens from all different planets and then had those aliens frozen. This is actually what Scientologists believe. Zinu's galactic cruisers, which looked like DC-8s except with rocket engines.

The cruisers then took the frozen alien bodies to our planet, Earth, and dumped them into the volcanoes of Hawaii. The aliens were no longer frozen, they were dead. The souls of those aliens however lived on and all floated up towards the sky. But the evil Lord Xenu had prepared for this. Xenu didn't want their souls to return, and so he built giant soul catchers in the sky. The souls were taken to a huge soul brainwashing facility, which Xenu had also built on Earth. There, the souls were forced to watch days of brainwashing material, which tricked them into believing a false reality. Xenu then released the alien souls, which roamed the Earth aimlessly in a fog of confusion. At the dawn of man, the souls finally found bodies

which they could grab onto. They attached themselves to all mankind, which still to this day causes all our fears, our confusions, and our problems. L. Ron Hubbard did an amazing thing telling the world this incredible truth. Now all we're asking you to do is pick up where he left off. But I don't know any of this stuff. Neither did Elrond when he started.

He said he just closed his eyes and wrote down whatever came to mind. You can do the same. Just let it flow. Okay, I'll try. I just wish I could write my room but tom cruise won't come out of the closet i know we've sent nicole kidman up there to see if she can so that's the thing that they found out when they reached the highest levels of knowledge has anyone come after south park in any significant way because it's like they they're probably like the only show that has no holds barred will like

fucking wreck you well they're the only show that comedy central leaves alone too oh really there's no way you could make south park today if you were an unknown group of cartoonists yeah no chance they would never let you it's too crazy yeah they're too but it's the only good show on the network so they kind of have to let it go have you seen their depiction of disney disney world and stuff it's fucking comical dude oh it's the mickey is this fucking tyrant overlord and he like goes and beats up his employees and stuff and he's just talking in his high-pitched mickey voice and just swearing at his employees and stuff oh god that's hilarious was this the one recently the panda verse where, where Cartman was replaced by a black trans woman or something.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a great show. I mean, and it's been great forever. I mean, I saw the first South Park episode was a VHS tape. There was their little Christmas special. Like, what would Brian Boitano do? And that was in, like, 95 or 96 or something like that.

That's crazy. Yeah. They've been banging it out ever since then. I guess that's the upside of cartoon is you can keep the characters the same age and just run it in perpetuity, essentially. Yeah. And you can get away with wild shit that you could never get away with. Like, remember when Paris Hilton and that gay teacher had a slut off? They had a whore off and

he stuffed her up his ass. That's how he won. He literally jumped on top of Paris Hilton and stuffed her in his ass. Oh my god. I love how they don't even try to be careful about how they tiptoe around it. They'll just say the actual names, have an actor who sounds as close to them as possible, and just go full blown.

Yeah. Yeah. They're a national treasure. Yeah, yeah. They go hard. Yeah. And they're so important because they're one of the few people out there that's willing to, in this day and age where you can't even make comedy movies anymore. There's so few comedy movies being made.

You're never going to see a Tropic Thunder today. Yeah. I don't watch a lot of movies nowadays, but I can't recall the last time I've seen something that was worth mentioning in comedy for a movie, personally. It's been forever. It was like the hangover yeah you know yeah super bad i mean it's been a long fucking time i went to hawaii for the first time uh a couple weeks ago and i saw the license plates and that was the thing it reminded me of mick lovin's fake idea fucking sick movie that was a great movie man and you can't make movies

like that anymore. Just too many people come after you. But South Park still does the same shit. They go as hard, if not harder, than ever before. And without them, we wouldn't have it. Yeah, yeah. Not on a television show. Yeah, yeah.

Have you seen the Enhanced games? Oh, I've heard of that. Yeah, total tangent, but it's like, is it real? Is it happening? Apparently. Okay. So tell everybody what the enhanced games are. So, so I'm not, uh, fully, you know, in the know about updates on it, but my understanding is basically an organization that is trying to, I don't know, stand up against the proposed corruption that is in, you know, the IOC and the Olympic system. Like basically you have these top tier athletes who prepare their whole lives to compete at these events and they get paid essentially fucking nothing, even though they're the best athlete in their, you know, whatever category they're competing in. And they'll be like essentially robbed and have less monetization capacity than the entire event that basically oversees and has like a monopoly on it.

And, you know, it's still highly sought after to compete in it. So people do it anyways to represent their country. It's a big pride thing. We've talked about the people who said they would take years off their life to win a gold. That's still very much a thing. But it's like we've also seen massive corruption among you know the testing organizations certain countries getting around um like the sochi olympics for example icarus great documentary to watch about that yeah um where basically certain countries are depending on

how risky they want to be or how uh you know, in-depth they want to get with their, you know, doping regimens, essentially get around the system and there's protections in place depending on which country they're in and ways they basically finagled where the Olympics are seen as a corrupt organization to many people. and they will, I don't know, selectively scrutinize certain people and athletes and whatnot. And it's created this weird dynamic where, you know, you can't perform to the greatest capacity that you could because you have to remain within their narrow confines of what's allowed and what's not allowed. And then also that could be at the detriment even of your recovery capacity. Like there's a lot of compounds that you should be able to use even for recovering from injuries that are on the water band substance list that make no sense to be on there. Like even recently BPC one five seven was added,

which is fucking crazy when it's like essentially bioidentical. Um, but yeah, it's like this organization, the enhanced games is essentially encouraging anyone who wants to compete at the highest level and use whatever they want and go sauce to the gills in their respective event to show up here and show what can be done with modern technology performance enhancement to the max interesting so it's like

when whenever we talk about oh this guy popped for whatever and then you know a lot of us will say i don't give a fuck if they take shit. I would just want to see what the highest level of performance could be. Let them do what they want kind of thing. This is that. With doctor oversight, apparently, from high-level individuals, and they tout that it's going to be as safe as it could be within the confines of you know pushing yourself

to the limit essentially so it's basically like the anti-olympics olympics and they're gonna hold their first event i've heard at the same time as the olympics to basically cannibalize the watch time and also show that people who are in their organization can beat the records of the Olympics and they have like cash bonuses available for people who beat world records and things of this nature to make sure. Interesting. Yeah. So they want people to actually make, they want the athletes to have actual money earning potential that makes it worthwhile to compete as well. Whereas the Olympics, you're kind of stuck within narrow confines of what you can monetize versus not. Look at this.

He's the fastest man in the world. He's broken Usain Bolt's 100-meter record, but the world isn't ready for him. The Olympics hate him. Come watch him compete in the 2024 Enhanced Games. Who is this person? In the video, it says you can't show his face. So it says, yeah, right there, I can't show you my face. He's white, though, so I'm skeptical.

That's crazy. That guy's faster than Usain Bolt, really? This also is a marketing video, so. Yeah, maybe it's just like this hypothetical person exists. Interestingly, it says new version of the video as Twitter decided to take down the last one. It's pinned from July, so I don't know. Huh. Did Elon even own it then?

When did he buy it? Yes. Yeah, he owns it then? When did he buy it? Yes. Yeah, he owned it in July, right? But yeah, it'd be worth maybe going to their site for a better summary. But essentially it's like sauce to the gills Olympics versus, and they want to compete with the actual Olympics and have no testing, do whatever you want,

but oversight from high-level doctors to keep you as safe as possible. Because oftentimes in the Olympics, people will argue, you know, the safety capacity of it, but it's like in the Olympics, a lot of times people are using drugs that are considered inferior from a safety profile simply so they can circumvent the testing. So they'll end up using like Frankenstein drugs that are worse for you and are super liver toxic or terrible for your brain or what have you, just to be able to use something that gives you a little bit of an edge in one

vector. Whereas here you could use actual, you know, testosterone, however much you need or want, erythropoietin within the confines of whatever is safe for you. You know, obviously there's risk for sure still, but it's, you know, a very interesting pivot that a lot of people have eyes on. It is interesting, but where is it going to air? I don't know. They say they have partnerships being spun up with, like, big broadcasting networks or something. I could be misspeaking on that because that seems hard to coordinate when it's, like, traditional media potentially. So I don't really know.

Well, if I was ESPN, I'd jump right on board. Oh, yeah, fuck. I'm like, let's go. Yeah. Yeah, I want to see the freak show. Who's not going to watch? Yeah, exactly. Fuck yeah, I want to see the freak show.

Yeah. And I think that, you know, the only issue would be disruption of the endocrine system for young athletes because if you are doing steroids, your body's going to shut down production of testosterone. You could become infertile. Yeah, like there's ways, again, though, when you have, you know, no holds barred access to ancillary medications and doctor oversight, like there's ways to sustain. Like we know now that you can sustain fertility on hormones.

Right. for example, when I first started taking gear, when I was, you know, like, I don't know, over 10 years ago, at this point, no one was talking about how you could take HCG concurrently with your exogenous anabolics to sustain testicular volume. And we were just told, if you want to get fertile again, at the time when you want to have a kid, just start taking the fertility drugs, and then you'll be good. Little did we know it's actually fairly important to sustain that testicular mass as you're exposing yourself to the drugs to actually smooth your transition to recovery. Because it's like if the organ is literally atrophying, trying to expect the same recovery capacity of like a shrunken, atrophied, shriveled testicle versus something that's been the same size and function the entirety of your anabolic exposure it's like night and day different so like there's new new education around a lot of this stuff that you would ideally be getting if you were one of the guys competing but you know obviously it's nuanced and up for interpretation if that's like no one i

don't think would ever be a proponent of it being safe like i wouldn't say it is at all like obviously you're still putting your cardiovascular system at risk brain and yeah like your fertility could be impacted if you're not very careful about how you manage it and manipulate stuff right and you could obviously see if you will have an enhanced games if someone went super hypo-physiological like that's a mouthful yeah i figured you would be the guy to say that mouthful around if you went over the top yeah you would have more performance but also a lot more risks yeah for sure like there's gonna be a diminishing returns and obviously when it's no holds barred you're you know people are going to push it but my understanding is i you know the guy who runs it would speak better to it than me.

It might be worth connecting with him. But I think the doctors are going to oversee. And I don't know if they're going to put limits on what biomarkers can get to before they determine, like, okay, you're in unsafe territory. Like, tone it back. Right, yeah. Because then obviously you then at that point you present a layer of doping of to get around the the thresholds so so then it's like you have doping in the doped olympics you know which is it's interesting so either way though i'm interested to see the outcome i've heard a lot of uh olympic athletes that have been uh popped are competing

i've heard a lot of people that just want to compete and wouldn't have been able to in the olympics because they want to be you shit or competing there's a lot of people apparently interested so interesting yeah if they do start breaking olympic records that will be wild yeah that will be wild yeah well you know florence griffin joiner her records still stand right right? Don't they? Yeah, yeah. I don't know which records have been rescinded other than, like, off the top of my head, the only one that's notable that I would mention is, like, Lance Armstrong.

He's had everything rescinded. That doesn't make any sense, though. No, it's fucking stupid. His makes the least sense because you have to go back to 18th place to find someone who didn't test positive on some of his races. Yeah, like the wild thing.ith joiner with like usain bolt too it's like of all the people who have broken 100 meter dash records he's the only one who supposedly is natural and he has the best record of all them like i suppose it's in some alien genetic scenario it's possible but it's like you know what's what's the likelihood of he wasn't also you know also imagine usain bolt on some shit like full board not just like finagling system which is what a lot of people think he did but no way to prove it right yeah

if you could just let that guy with superior genetics just go ham yeah i think they need to break some world records to really get the attention too because it's like if they just have above average exceptional athletes compared to the average layman but not exceptional enough to be because you still even naturals that are at the the peak of their that's him beating everybody yeah that's crazy they're straining so hard it's just like it's like in every sport there are going to be outliers that even naturally shit That's him beating everybody? Yeah. That's crazy. They're straining so hard. It's just like. It's like in every sport, there are going to be outliers that even naturally shit on guys who are doped as hell.

So it's certainly possible that they still fall short of world records, even with the talent that's using fucking everything. So to be determined how impactful it is and who's competing, I guess. But I'm going to be watching regardless. Well, UFC went through one of the starkest contrasts when they brought aboard USADA and you got to see people's physiques melt, like literally melt. Yeah. You had to see their shoulders shrink and Vitor Belfort's the greatest example of it because Vitor, when they used to have a testosterone use exemption, which you would allow fighters

to be on testosterone use therapy, but you would allow fighters to be on testosterone use therapy, but you're also self-administering. And he was going hard. He was going hard. When Luke Rockhold saw him, he was like, Jesus Christ, this guy has muscles on his fucking teeth. He was like, what is this guy on? And he had not just this incredible physique, but also a lifetime of combat sports skills and the mind for it.

And then on top of that, this intense confidence because he was basically not a human. I mean, he had levels of testosterone that no human gets to. So he was just fucking raging. No fear. and sustaining it through the hard training too exactly yeah that's the thing what we were talking about jujitsu like these jujitsu guys before the show i think we were talking about yeah these guys are training 365 days a year yeah and you don't do that and train six hours a day every day without some gear like this is the only way you're going to recover. You'll break everything down. You won't be able to recover in time for

the next training session. There's a balance that has to be achieved. And when you start adding like hardcore anabolics into that balance, like it shifts everything. And your ability to sustain work is just radically improved. What do you think about USADA getting replaced? I don't know exactly what the new protocol is going to be, but I have heard that they're not going to let them take PPC-157. And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? So they're adhering to, like, the WADA banned substance list, presumably. Allegedly.

But it could be, you know, like, a little wink, a little nod. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how they're going to do it, and only time will tell. I think this current administration's contract with USADA is still applicable for the next few months. Yeah, yeah, I think USADA standard protocol is in place until January 1. Is that what it is? Yeah. It's going to be interesting, and, you know, that's why I'm going to turn to turn to you to say, what do you think is going on here?

Yeah. I guess it depends how they document the positive test results too because it's like back in the day, depending on the organization, sometimes they'll publish exactly what the person popped for, what happened, what scrutiny is happening to them in the moment, how it's being further reviewed. And it was like, you know, very negative press even before they've actually confirmed and proved this guy cheated necessarily. And then USADA kind of took this different angle where they would kind of be a little bit more vague about it and then they would get some scrutiny about if they're covering up for certain people. But at the same time they were like you know all getting scrutiny for being hyper stringent where they'd like show up to guys places in the

middle of the fucking night when they're trying to sleep yeah and it's uh a very as far as the new organization their level of scrutiny and how it's going to play out and how i don't know private they're going to keep the results it's to be determined but if they're following the same wada banned substance list with the same kind of protocols i imagine it's going to be similar but with uh from what i understand more scrutinous testing on some of the endogenous bioidenticals so like epo i think novitsky said they're going to up their frequency of testing because you know some of this stuff at the end of the day there's only so much budget to allocate to where it's still a viable economic thing so it's like are you going to epo test like every fucking sample of every single athlete

however many times a year like some people are tested like i don't know i forgot what yuri was tested it was like yeah some insane amount of times per year um are you going to epo test hgh isoform test them, carbon isotope ratio test? Are you going to do that on every sample he's ever produced? Probably not. So you've got to have some reproducible, economically viable strategy. I think they tested Yuri a lot because he was in recovery from shoulder surgery too.

Yeah, but then it's like, why isn't guys like, you know, Connor getting tested LDS? Because he got out of the pool. Yeah, but even when he went back in the pool, it's like... Well, now he's testing. How frequently though? Well, I don't know. They just started testing him really recently. Guy's face definitely still looks a bit saucy. Well, he was jacked. And also, that's when you should do it. for sure when you have something like a catastrophic leg injury I mean he's got rods in his legs

he's had multiple surgeries it's not just one yeah you know and then you know it doesn't always heal right and it breaks again

like Dan Hooker he has a rod in his arm he broke his forearm in a fight I think it was the Jalen Turner fight and so he had it fixed

had rods put in it. He just broke it again. So now he has to have a second surgery. He has to have, they're doing some new procedure to try to get the bones to fuse because the bones didn't fuse correctly. And, you know, the rods were the only thing holding it in place and it snapped.

It's really weird how they justify certain compounds that can be used in and out of testing because it's like you could abuse the fucking of amphetamines out of competition but then you can't use BPC like how does that make any sense? It doesn't make any sense it's all bizarre and I think in a perfect

world professional athletes would utilize everything possible to get the best possible performance again my only concern would be young people ruining their endocrine system. Yeah. And then the possible mitigation.

There's real issues with overuse, like overdosing. Because if you tell someone, hey, if you take 100 milligrams of this thing, you'll have an improved performance. Okay, what's going to give me a stroke? If I take 200 milligrams, what happens? Do I move twice as fast? Like, what happens? Yeah, and twice as fast? Like, what happens? Yeah, and some of the weight cutting will get even more extreme with diuretic use.

Right. Some of it will have kidney failures, pre-competitions. Right. And then the question is going to be, like, what kind of testing protocol are they going to use? Is it going to be random? Is it going to be something you can game? Like, you know, I know, who was the athlete that was taking those testosterone gummies and they were in and out of your system in a short period of time?

Alex Rodriguez. There you go. He was taking a bunch of different shit. But they were taking testosterone gummies that, you know, would only stay in your system for a few hours. As of now, and I stay pretty on top of the literature, it's still very, you can still circumvent the tests even with highest scrutiny so you know with things like test epo yeah i've seen upwards of 50

percent of subjects and studies getting around tests trying to find if they're doping like knowing that they're using guys in the study as subjects of you're getting micro dosed epo and we're going to test you for it rigorously and still passing even when they're trying to catch them via the study parameters. So I think a lot of people are going to be doing the same shit they've been doing. I think the scrutiny is going to be similar probably, but perhaps more like at least Novitski's framing it like there's more budget being allocated to some of the more rigorous tests. But I don't know. I imagine it will be similar. But I've also heard that this organization also works with the NBA and some other pro sports,

which are traditionally seen as pretty lax in contrast. Yeah. I would imagine it's going to be a little more lax, and I would support that. Yeah. I certainly support guys taking things to recover from injuries like Conor did with his leg injury, 100%. No question about it. I'm 100% all in on that.

That's the only way. No one comes back from that. No one has ever come back from that catastrophic leg break. Yeah. The shin break, not a single athlete has come back from it and performed at the same level. Anderson Silva's the only guy who came back and fought multiple times, and he was not the same guy.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Conor's definitely got to win when he fucking comes back. It's kind of like his legacy is not entirely hinged on it or anything, but, I mean, he's got a lot to live up to to not just. Oh, yeah. Yeah. anything but i mean it's he's got a lot to live up to to not just oh yeah yeah but also if you were a coach and you wanted to look at this in terms of a long-term career strategy i would want a tune-up fight 100 i would not want him going right in there against islam makachev yeah he's

still trying to go like balls deep and pick the hardest dudes well that's him that's why he's a champion that's so he's a warrior. I mean, he feels like he could just get. But one of the things that he said about the Dustin Poirier fight, the first one, the second fight, but the first one of the most recent ones where he got knocked out. He said, I was inactive. He goes, it just caught up to me. I could feel it. I could feel it while I was in there.

My timing wasn't as good. You know, you need to be active to be at the highest levels of world-class mixed martial arts competition. I just don't see how you can take two years off, multiple surgeries, get on juice, get off juice, and then jump in there against the best in the world. Maybe he can do it. But if I was his coach and the option was available I'd say let's get someone who's not even in the top 15 let's get some guy who is beatable but a good test it's a we'll call it a tune-up fight you we get to see how you perform this guy gets an opportunity to beat Conor McGregor you get an opportunity to test your skills again and feel the lights and feel the pressure, get your timing back, have that fight. Six months later, you have a big fight.

Do you know when UFC 300 would be? That seems like a pretty big event that they would probably... When is that supposed to be, Jeremy? April, I think. April. I think. Is that too soon for him to be fighting? Well, there's a six-month thing in the pool, right?

So here we are in November. Contingent on USADA, though. Yeah, and contingent on whether, right, right. If USADA's out, maybe they don't have a six-month thing anymore. Right. Good point. I wonder if he's, like, obviously that's an event you would think he'd be in. I would, you would definitely want him in that event.

Yeah. But then the thing is like, here's a good question. If you give someone an exemption, you let them take, get out of the pool, and they're taking some hardcore steroids to heal their,

their shin break. What, how much gain do you maintain from that improvement in your performance? Because it's not zero. No, it's a, I think a lot of it is also indirect through the time in the gym and skill acquisition

because a lot of people overlook the recovery capacity enhancing component. So it's like if you're able to, it's not just about how much muscle you've gained and objective measurements of, oh, your bench press went up by X amount. It's also how many more hours were you able to train relative to your competition because of this? And that's that many more hours working on X skill, this skill, that, doing your endurance, whatever. You're able

to do more things and have more bandwidth allocated to your skill, I don't know, sustaining or development. So as far as the studies go for retention of what's called myonuclei, like how much you can actually bank up from steroid use, it doesn't seem to be something that's going to sustain for, I don't know, in perpetuity like we once thought. It's kind of finicky if that's actually something that happens or not. A lot of people will still shrink back down when they come off. But he's competing pretty soon after being like what appeared to be pretty fucking full board.

Like the guy was essentially unrecognizable compared to traditional, you know, Connor. Yeah, he looks like a light heavyweight. Yeah, it was like to me his face looked like the first time a guy takes gear. Oh, wow, you've gained like 15 pounds of water. Yeah. Yeah. everything got big so yeah like it didn't even look like it was an attempt to do it in a you know i'm trying to micro dose way it's like a real cycle seemingly right so and why not if you're not being tested and you can so and it's probably fun yeah yeah yeah i get it yeah for sure but the question is like when it comes to performance, physical ability, strength, power, speed, you don't go back to zero.

No. I think you would retain some of it. How much of it? That would be so speculative. Don't speculate. Let's say a guy takes one cycle of testosterone at like a traditional amount that guys use like 500 milligrams is a pretty common like bodybuilder starting level cycle is that per week yeah 500 milligrams per week okay so that's like you know three to three and

a half times what a traditional trt dose would be, that would gain you, you know, a significant amount of lean mass and strength. And you would probably sustain that for, again, as the hormones work its way out of your system, even as they're residually leaving, you still have that bleed of hormone that's sustaining even during your training, subjecting yourself to, you know, even if you had poor sleep, heavy weight cutting, like you still have synthetic drug that is bleeding out of your system and holding at least non-fluctuating values other than the bleed out time so the size difference yeah it's wild look at him 2022 he's fucking massive the face difference is like the most staggering to me too look at his neck weight cut i don't know yes dude that shot with him on the

bottom left yeah with his arm around the dude he looked looked, oh, they cut off his quads, but his quads looked fucking nutty in that picture. Yeah. The one where it shows him at the bottom of those three photographs, Jamie, that is when he made weight for 145, though. Oh, a Skeletor bro. Yeah, he was literally starving himself. That's wild.

He was starving himself. He looks like one of those pirates of the Caribbean. Yeah, monsters. Yeah. That's wild. He was starving himself. He looks like one of those pirates of the Caribbean. Yeah, monsters. That's what he looked like back then. Yeah, I think that within the span of competing within a year, you're going to retain it would take, depending on how

fast the compound would work its way to your system depends on the ester chosen. I'm sure you're familiar with your testosterone is probably a testosterone sipionate for example so that like determines how long it will hold uh take to metabolize out of your body so that one has close to a 10 day half-life so that would take 50 days essentially to clear out of your system so for him if you cleared out something that took 50 days to get out, like you would still have residual benefit for months thereafter for sure. And whether it's going to be 100% or 0%, you know, I would speculate to be somewhere in the middle, you know. Interesting.

You're going to lose a lot of the temporary weight fairly rapidly though. Like a lot of that blood volume, water retention will dissipate within the first number of weeks. And then after that, you're kind of whatever tissue you've accumulated will slowly go over the next months, which you'd probably retain, I don't know, I would say half by the time he maybe 25 to 50%. But that's, you know. Do you think the attitudes about this stuff are changing? Because it used to be, you know,ry bonds mark mcguire sammy

sosa they're cheaters these guys are cheating do you think that the perception will change as the use of these things gets accepted more first maybe with peptides then with some other things and they would realize like look sports were all about watching people do the greatest fucking things that's physically possible why are we stopping them from using modern science to do this when we use modern science to enhance every other thing? Yeah, I think the stigma around it is largely media hype and like taboo discussion of like all this thing is not you know, you're a it's like frowned upon if you're using it, but platforms that are educational and provide insight into the realities of the

pros and cons, I think are becoming more widespread and viewed. And the exposure is getting out there to actually bring to light the validity of certain use cases. So like with a BPC-157, the only thing you'll hear from, you know, WADA is how it's banned and it's performance enhancing. But then you'll hear guys like us who we talk about, hey, this is literally essentially a bioidentical compound that you produce naturally in the gut. So it's not like some synthetic, you know,

pharma sketch drug. In addition, it's pretty well tolerated given the anecdotes we have there's not like human literature but very impactful on recovery and it's uh you know we know tons of people who've used it with great success and it's like i don't know anybody who's used it that has had a problem yeah so now that's not to say it's risk-free because it's like pro-angiogenesis which would be cancer cell promoting in the wrong situation and context. But like in general, there's more education than ever. And it continues to accelerate bringing attention to the validity of, you know, even the stem cells that you can only get out of the country.

Like where are you going to hear about that shit at scale other than a platform like this? Right. Like you would probably get scrutinized to hell if you were talking about that in like a traditional mainstream medium. Like that's illegal in the US. 100%. And then, you know, that's one of the most important things

I think about your show and about a lot of shows like that is that you don't tiptoe around these things. You're just completely open and honest about them. And that encourages other people to do the same. And then you're also really well read on these things. So these discussions get had in a form. And then when you're talking to guys like Huberman or Peter Attia, you're talking to these, you know, legitimate scientists that can back up this and explain what the pathways and the mechanisms

behind all these things are. So it gives people, I think right now we have a much more balanced understanding of what these things are and what the benefits are. So it gives people, I think right now we have a much more balanced understanding of what these things are and what the benefits are. Yeah, no, absolutely. And I hope more people continue to seek education. And it's great to see like the more mainstream adoption from guys like Huberman and Atiyah because, you know, it's also a big hurdle for traditional scientists to go against the mainstream narrative and kind of accept that there could be validity to a compound that's seen as, you know, for research purposes or things of that nature. Or, you know, it's illegal in the U.S., so it must be bad. It's like, well, maybe look at both sides of the equation.

Yeah, for sure. But listen, man, it's always cool to talk to you. I'm glad you're out there. And you are the poster boy for, if you look at low production value but high reward. I mean, you have a fucking air conditioning system behind you. You still have that in those videos? Oh, it's the same, man. This wood panel and an air conditioner behind you.

And it's super successful. So I'm really happy for you. And I'm really happy you're out there because I've learned a lot of shit from you thanks man i appreciate that my pleasure uh more plates more dates on youtube instagram everywhere yep exactly that's it all right thanks brother appreciate you awesome all right bye everybody Bye.