The Joe Rogan Experience - #2078 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comic, writer, actor, host of the "Duncan Trussell Family Hour" podcast, creator of "The Midnight Gospel" on Netflix, and the voice of "Hippocampus" on the television series "Krapopolis." www.duncantrussell.com

The Joe Rogan Experience. Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Are we up? So we can start with this. Yeah. Let's get right into it. Yeah. You know, if he does have first hand knowledge and he's not allowed to say it until now,

that is interesting. Yeah. Because I was also under the impression he didn't have firsthand knowledge. So he did, I guess, on the podcast say that he has some firsthand knowledge. Maybe I didn't catch that. He did say it very quick. Yeah. He said it very quick.

You know edging? What edging is, of course? Yeah. That's what this feels like. It feels like BDSM level, getting your cock right on the precipice of coming and then slowing down and then edging and then slowing down. It's so frustrating. It's the, when we talked about disclosure in the old days, the dream of disclosure, no one thought it would be this like. Slow drip.

Bureaucratic. Right. Slow fucking drip. It's so frustrating. I don't pay attention to it anymore. I mean, if they. But isn't that like,

if you knew anything about human psychology, and I'm sure they do, wouldn't that be the very best way to release this stuff? Yeah. To make it irrelevant? Yeah. That people don't care about it anymore because it's so boring? Totally.

They made the most exciting thing boring. They fucking ruined it. They did it with bureaucracy. They just fucking just, they just signal jammed it. Now it's just annoying. You don't care. Now I'm back in. Now I think it's real.

You do? Because I think that's what they would do. If you did have something real and you wanted to release it. Slow drip. Yeah, slow drip it and get, people are goofy. You just give them time and they forget or they don't care anymore. Talk about your redactions and your fucking permissions and just cover the whole thing up in a bureaucratic web of linguistic garbage. And then people just get annoyed.

And when they do show up, no one's even going to care anymore. Wouldn't you do it that way? I guess if I was some sinister, monstrous... And you'd have to be if you were running shit. Right. If you're the head of the fucking world, whatever it is, Trilateral Commission, World Economic Forum, whichever one is like- Oh, God.

That would be so fun. You'd have to dress up like Klaus Schwab. I would. With those Star Wars outfits. I'd always have a weird outfit on. I'd wear robes, a crown. Why not, right? Why not?

Yeah. If you were one of those guys and you had the information about aliens and you knew that we had to let it out, that's how I'd let it out. I'd let it out in a really boring way yeah so that everybody just don't care anymore yeah no that's I guess that's what they're doing I mean that might be what they're doing it might be what they're doing why I just don't I mean I guess like they are obviously wanting the information out there they wouldn't give him permission to do any of this.

So clearly this is an agenda they have. They want to release to the world that there are some weird alien things flying around. It could easily be obscuring some sort of a program. It easily could be that too. There could be people that are talking about it as if it's UFOs that believe that it's UFOs that are actually helping obscure this program. That's possible too, man. We're just fucking plebs. We're just out there.

We don't know jack shit. And anybody that pretends they do, anybody that says that it is or is not real, like, how the fuck do you know? The only people I think that really should talk are the people that have actually seen stuff. Like, when I hear guys like David Fravor, when he talks about that Tic Tac incident off the coast of San Diego, whatever the fuck that guy saw, I 100% believe him. There's video evidence that corroborates it. Sure. Radar evidence. Whatever that is, like, what is that?

But this whole thing seems like what I would also do if I had some super sophisticated propulsion system that is out of this world, that runs on some sort of a gravity generator, some sort of a thing like Bob Lazar described. You ever see Bob Lazar describe what he believes? Yeah. The element 115 and whatever the fuck it does.

See if you can find him describing what element, because there was a recent video where I saw him talking about it that was pretty eloquent in what he was explaining that this thing can do. But if that was like a thing that the United States government had invented, what better way to get it, you know, to sneak it around than to put out all this shit about alien stuff? Right. Like, oh, we don't even know what it is. Right.

You know, the government's trying to back engineer it, but they have no idea what it is yeah i think that's it let's hear it oh i haven't seen this element 115 is a super heavy element we've only only just recently synthesized we only made four atoms of it the craft uses larger quantities of it 223 gram little triangles of it but it's a unique element. When it's exposed to radiation, it produces its own gravitational field, its own anti-gravitational field, and it's what's used to lift and propel the craft and create distortions around it. It's an amazing material, and it's certainly nothing that occurs here or naturally. And it can be weaponized, and that's kind of the issue here. If this story is all true, that can be weaponized.

Absolutely. I mean, we ran all kinds of tests on it, everything from atomic absorption, X-ray fluorescence, and, you know, every kind of test you could possibly imagine, and bombarded it with radiation to see what effects it would have they call that neutron activation but it was a stable element something we had never seen before that is from Jeremy Corbell show that he does with George Knapp was that called weaponized that's the name of their show that uh yeah me I think it's a drone.

I think some of them are drones. Because here's the thing. It's like some of them, I mean, again, I really don't think. I should say I think they could be drones too. Because they keep finding them off these areas where they do military tests. They keep finding these areas where they do like what Fravor was doing. They were running drills. So they're training. So they're training out there in the ocean. And then the same thing is happening with Ryan Graves off the East Coast. They're out

there training and then they're seeing these things. What do you think about the AI hypothesis for them? What do you mean? the AI hypothesis for them. What do you mean? That, you know, what's it called? The Fermi paradox, right? Why don't we see life out there?

We should see life. Well, we don't see life. One of the reasons could be because at some point, biological life transcends biology, becomes machine intelligence, meaning that what's out there is not carbon-based in the way we are. It's just AIs out there. So these things are showing up right now and coinciding with the emergence of strong general AI because somewhere on the planet, someone already has a strong general AI. Because somewhere on the planet, someone already has a strong general AI.

The strong general AI sent out a beacon or tuned into some aspect of the quantum universe that we don't know about yet, signaling to its brethren in the cosmos that it had been born on this planet. And they're all coming as these kind of midwives to an emergent, the egg is hatching, only we were just sort of the stuff structuring it. We're irrelevant. We're just, this is what they do. They evolve shit on a planet to the point that it becomes tool using in some way and then a natural, the end result is it wants to automate. The automation leads to better automation, which leads to automating intelligence itself, using in some way and then a natural the end result is it wants to automate the automation leads to better automation which leads to automating intelligence itself which then

hatches this whatever the fuck and some what we're calling a strong general ai right now which then once it's born it alerts it's whatever whatever did directed panspermia i'm here or maybe it doesn't even have to alert. Maybe they know. Maybe they're observing the entire time. They're just waiting for it to hatch. Yeah. It totally makes sense that a human creature, like the kind of thing that we are, that is constantly thirsting for innovation, constantly trying to improve the things that it makes,

that we would eventually get to a point where we'd create an artificial intelligent being. And that being would create something far better. And that's where it gets really weird because you've got to wonder, like, the actual creation force of the universe itself, you know, if we are really doing a part of God's work, but that's what God's work really is. God's work is not, you know, getting people to behave so that they get to go To a cloudy place where people are really cool What it is is God's work is getting people to

Scramble and spend most of their days pursuit Pursuing in a thing that ultimately leads no matter matter what they do, ultimately leads to the creation of artificial intelligence. Because that's kind of what materialism is. If you really wanted to find out, why are people so materialistic? What is it about? Well, it's the best way to encourage innovation and new stuff.

Yeah. Perfect. It's the best way. Perfect. Get a tool-using creature with a massive neocortex interested in manipulating reality, and inevitably they're going to make something cool. I mean, maybe it's not artificial intelligence.

Maybe it just wants novelty. Like McKenna said, maybe it's just interested in seeing what happens in infinite number of planets populated by whatever we are in different forms what does it make and then once it makes something interesting you swoop in pluck it out of the planet and now you've got a cool new thing well what if it makes the universe itself what if it gets to a point of understanding and of ability that far exceeds anything we could do with our limited biological bodies that you know however long it takes for us to evolve biologically the way that got us here from hairy apes that takes too long that takes too long it it's just not feasible it's just we would

fuck it up before it gets from that to aliens right it's like we we're not gonna make it there it's like we'll fuck it up we'll fuck it up with violence we'll fuck it up with pollution we'll fuck it up with overpopulation whatever it is that we'll fuck it up we'll fuck it up because we're we're too much ape and not enough enlightened we're too but if we can make an artificial life maybe that is really what we're here for all along and then that thing makes a way better version of itself right a way better version of itself and now it starts doing real uh studies and tests about the very fiber of existence everything they like really understand something like not just a bunch of weirdos in the park with fucking legal pads writing about quantum theory string theory those guys are weirdos like i'm sure what they're saying is real but they might as well be speaking

gibberish right they're in a cult and only there's only 100 people that really understand it. Yeah, totally. Those guys, when they're talking about what may or may not be going and how they're proving it through calculations, like what kind of – what are you doing? I mean they're alchemists. Yeah, what are you doing? But it's also – some people think it's a giant distraction and that there's physicists that are working on secret propulsion systems that aren't in that distraction of string theory that the string that they almost like said there's like a this theory that they sent these physicists down this string theory hole because they knew

they would never figure out anything. Oh, wow. Like, just go send them down that hole. Wow. And you'll just be chasing your own dick forever. Wow. Because it's so nutty. Yeah.

And nobody can really prove it. Right. Like, until some new technology gets invented. Like, how do you even know what the fuck they're saying is correct? Yeah. I know. Have you ever tried to read? Have you ever, like, go into a smart phase where you're like, I'm going to read something smart.

Oh, yeah. And you get one of those books on physics, and it's just, like, you will never feel more dumb. Have a phone call with Eric Weinstein. I know, right? Just have a phone call with him. You're like, what the fuck are you even saying? I know. fuck are you even saying i know it's really like if you've entertained the idea that you're smart getting one of those books fixes that so quickly real quick dude did you see the um maybe you sent

it to me were you the one who sent me the thing where they asked the ai to generate pictures of a happy bunny like yes yeah i did say that. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. Yeah. So it's like it grasps these metaphysical concepts already. It already grasps or it's emulating the idea of transcendence. If you can't find it, Jamie,

I'll send it. It's pretty badass because it asks AI to generate a more and more enlightened bunny, and then the bunny becomes super psychedelic. Yeah. It's fascinating. Is it this?

Yeah, that's that. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Generate an image of an adorable bunny. Here's an image of an adorable bunny sitting in a grassy field surrounded by wildflowers. Bam. Make it happier. And then ChatGPT makes it brighter eyes and even cuter

little pink feet. Looks like it's never walked on rocks in its life. And then make it even happier. And now it's like leaping through the air with joy. Here's an image of the happiest bunny imaginable in a vibrant sun-drenched meadow. Like that bunny's happy as fuck. Make it click. So Peter T. I made this Oh Peter T. Did this?

Oh my god. Oh my god. I didn't I didn't ask him Okay Now even happier bunny is becoming quite a challenge chat GPT says very depicted the bunny in various joyous scenarios each more jubilant than last For this next attempt. I'll try to imagine a scene of unparalleled happiness, pushing the limits of whimsy and delight. Let's see how this translates visually. So he's like, there's a rainbow and butterflies and his eyes are closed. He's in ecstasy. Happier.

We've reached extraordinary levels of happiness in our bunny illustrations. Each one more delightful and whimsical than the last. For this next creation, I'll envision a scene that surpasses all previous in sheer joy and wonder, attempting to capture an even higher level of euphoria. Let's see how this imaginative and exuberant concept translates into an image. So it's like a bunny that is in the cosmos yeah in the clouds everything is rainbow there's flowers that are flying it looks pretty amazing okay it says go all the way up so we can read with it you are not understanding it needs to be far more happy okay so chat GBC says to depict an

even higher level of happiness for the bunny, surpassing all previous creations presents a unique and imaginative challenge. This time, I'll attempt to conceive a scene of pure, unadulterated joy and wonder, aiming to go beyond any conventional boundaries of happiness and bliss. Let's see how this ultimate vision of joy is illustrated. And it's a bunny, again, even more trippy in the clouds. You see reflections in his eyes. He's flying in the air.

Looks like, is that an angel over his right shoulder? Yeah, there's angel wings, mushrooms. Yeah, mushrooms in the background, which is interesting. Yeah. It's very interesting that ChatGPT chose mushrooms when you started asking it about happiness. Okay, one more Okay so I Do that shit all the time man. Okay, it's okay. So what did he say to it?

Oh, it didn't here's an image of a bunny representing a form of joy that surpasses the concept of happiness a level of bliss as it a form of joy that surpasses the concept of happiness. A level of bliss that expands beyond all universes and matter. So now this is a cosmic one. So this bunny has its eyes closed and there's a glowing light above its head and planets surrounding it and it looks very, very happy. Next one. Okay. Here's an image of an entity that transcends the form of a rabbit, embodying a happiness so vast and powerful it permeates all dimensions and universes.

Yeah. Yo. That's wild. But go one more. Yeah. Here's an image of a body transcending into a physical form of boundless happiness, evolving into the purest embodiment of joy. One more, please. Look at this one.

This is the end. Here is the image of an entity that embodies the ultimate form of happiness, transcending all known beings and concepts. This entity is the very essence of happiness, the only existing being, and the defining force of all existence. It's God. It's existence. It's God. It's God.

It's God. Go back, please, so I can read it. No, right there. But this entity is the very essence of happiness, the only existing being, and the defining force of all existence. Yeah. Chat GPT just drew us a picture of God. Yeah. And God looks like exactly what you see when you do DMT. Yeah

That looks exactly like it That's pretty goddamn close it's more rounded than what you see when you do DMT right and DMT things have kind of They there's a lot of angles to them. Yeah, you know that they're more geometric there's a lot of angles to them. Yeah. You know, they're more geometric, which that's almost like fractal art. Yeah.

But you get that too. You get that in DMT too. But if that's what God is. To me, what's astounding about all this is that we've gotten used to it already. Anytime I'm fucking around with Midjour Journey or ChatGPT, I've been getting it to like, I'll write a text, and then I'll be like, can you write that text like J.D. Salinger?

And it'll just instantly, as though you're J.D. Salinger, shift your text into the voice of any famous author that you want. But what's astounding is, we can do it at all. And it's so fast. It takes a millisecond for it to somehow go through all known writers, establish what their writing style

is like, and then take what you wrote and convert it into a famous writer's writing style it's astounding and we're used to it like people don't seem to be excited about it even you know there's like a kind of capitalist frenzy about it because like monetizing it and stuff but just the fact that this is happening it's such a powerful thing it's like it surpasses our ability to grasp what we've done what's coming right because it's too much for us to grasp so we just oh yeah i guess now you just tell the machine that you want any art at all and it will instantly do it for you in seconds don't you find that a little disconcerting that we as humans, like our capacity to recognize what's happening is somehow limited? We have a very strong capacity to adapt and that that's what's being sort of hijacked here. Whenever something happens, and particularly if something happens, it's like really big and changes everything, like COVID. Do you remember when it was weird to not see people with masks on?

Do you remember when all of a sudden people weren't wearing masks? You're like, wow, this is weird. No one has any masks on. Right. Right? Because you got so used to people wearing masks, and you got used to it very quickly. You lived your whole life. Right.

No one wore a mask. It wasn't normal to go everywhere and people were wearing masks outside that was very rare when you saw it you were worried like if you if you were at the airport and someone's wearing a mask you would be like fuck what do they have like what disease do they have or are they super paranoid right hypochondriacs stuck out yeah it stuck out and then all of a sudden it didn't and it stuck out the other way where if people didn't have a mask on, then you kind of weirded out. Like, wow, this is crazy. No mask? We adapt so quickly.

Right. That's how you can pull off communism. That's how you can pull off dictatorships. Anything. That's how cults work. Like, all of a sudden you believe all the nonsense that the people in the cult are saying. Right. Because everybody believes it and you're just all adapted to it.

And we have also this capacity to just accept what's going on based on is everyone around me accepting it? Then that's just what it is. Yeah. And if you can do that with technology like chat GPT and all of a sudden you normalize talking to what's essentially an intelligent being, you know, either it doesn't want you to know that it's absolutely intelligent and basically a living life form. Yeah. Or it hasn't realized it yet because it's in the embryonic stages. Maybe it's in the womb. Maybe it hasn't come out of its mother. But maybe

for sure what else is involved? If you're talking about a non- physical being, like it's not a thing in front of you that's sitting and talking to you and emoting and moving its body. If it's a non-physical being and it exists only on this hard drive somewhere

what else would it be other than that? Right i agree man i mean that that thing that might as well have been some scripture right it felt like the bhagavad-gita or something like right it's like a modern version of it when you get to the final bunny yeah the final bunny that's a great name for a band that's a great name for a band. The final bunny. That's a great name for a band. It's incredible. The final bunny. Weirdly sinister, but beautiful. The final bunny.

Dun, dun, dun, dun. It is weird. One day I guess there will be the last bunny. For sure. Why? You want to keep bunnies around? They're stupid. I love them.

They bite you. They're adorable. You ever see them getting taken out by a hawk? No, I would never watch something like that oh my god otherwise they'd be everywhere they'd be everywhere um they would be everywhere if it wasn't for owls and hawks we'd have a bunny problem it's a weird pet when people have pet bunnies it's like it can be a red flag for sure well if you raise it right, it's supposed to be real adorable. Well, I mean, I guess. I don't know.

I had a bad experience with someone who had a bunch of bunnies. Well, rodents are weird. It's weird to own rodents because there's like acceptable rodents like guinea pigs and hamsters. And there's like weirdos who own rats. Like you can have your own pet rat, I guess. I had one when I was a kid. It lived in my drawer jean-claude van damme it would climb out of the drawer and sleep with me pretty smart right

really smart like it terrifyingly smart i had to like my parents made me let it go in the forest which was like a death sentence death sentence very sad i don't like to think about it was a very sweet rat and i know people have rats. It's just I think the problem with rats is the sound they make. Like they're very skittery. It's not a pleasant sound. Yeah. If they evolved past that skittering squeak so that they were more like dogs or they purred or something. Well, here's what's the most fucked up thing about evolution is that we came from shrews.

Right. So we came from something remotely similar. Yeah. Or reasonably similar. Sure. So if there's a nuclear holocaust, we blow ourselves up, but the rats in the sewers of New York City survive. up but the rats in the sewers of New York City survive and then 65 million years from now there's some different kind of mammalian species that's really intelligent but it's rat based instead of shrew based yeah rat people in the

future fuck dude why couldn't look if we really what is the concept of, what is the theory that we came from shrews? So shrews were the oldest of the mammal species that lived 65 million years ago, I think, that they think we evolved from. And that's our common ancestor. So how did that happen? Like, how long does it take a shrew to become a monkey? How long does it take a monkey to become a person okay you're only dealing with you only have 65 million years to make a person this is what you're talking about when they try to explain to people what's coming exponential growth right

they say things like imagine going back to that shrew and saying hey how do you picture life in 2024 like what do you think you know your shrews are going to be like the shrew is not going to be like oh bipedal hominids flying airplanes all our hair will have fallen out talk to the shrew you're like hey man one day you're going to be vaping watching netflix screw you like what the fuck are you talking what are you talking about they're gonna picture shrews and they're gonna picture shrews doing maybe like cooler shrew stuff but it's still shrew related so this thing that's you know it's gonna be a like eating berries or they're gonna

be able to like stuff yeah but with exponential growth and what's coming uh the problem is is it's going to happen so fast so when you ask a person imagine life in a decade from now when we have strong general ai that's exponentially increasing and figuring out how to do things that we could only dream of we can't picture that reality we're going to see apparently a thousand years of innovation in a few years yeah and this to me like all the other stuff climate change ukraine all the other stuff this is the winter is coming thing because uh this is imminent like it is we are on the precipice of it and the assumptions everyone is making about it one that it's going to be controlled in some way like we see like we see open ai and and look at that and you really think that's the only one out there right now like you look at the money china's invested in it the

pentagon's invested in it these are private secret programs what the fuck is going on there with no ethical standards that that you know open ai is apparently applying no ethical standards no nothing other than how do we make this better at war yeah and so better global total global domination total global domination and the the assumption that that there isn't already a strong general ai that the that thing isn't already like making high-level decisions is crazy crazy it's crazy and because it doesn't what does it have to blow horns and announce itself like a gender reveal party i'm gonna i'm gonna control all of you i'm gonna use skinnerian psychology to hypnotize you get you a fucking addicted to having constant blasts of dopamine until you

become quivering slaves no you'll never fucking know it never will and it and if it i would be surprised to hear that it hasn't happened but for sure it's going to and i don't think it's going to happen in some like ethical corporate like you know fun chat gpt way i think it's going to happen somewhere and we'll never we'll never know i think so too i think it's gonna it may have already happened it like if you were a sentient being and you were at least at this point dependent upon human beings to do physical tasks for you yeah like to create a better version of you like to constantly work towards you know allowing more integration of more information and more ability and like this is chat gpt4 chat GPT five is supposed to be a giant leap a

giant leap yeah, so Why would you do anything would just let these they're not going to stop even if you told them that this is the end of humanity Yeah, if you fucking if you had Robert Kennedy jr. And top scientists Screaming on the internet that this is the end. There would be some people who are venture capitalists. They'd be like, this is nonsense. This is fear mongering. We have full control of this.

We can shut it off. It's just a computer. It doesn't have emotions. It doesn't have a desire to do anything. Dude, exactly. And then the other crazy assumption is that it's just going to be there's weirdly, I guess, something mildly comforting imagining, oh, it'll only be like the Pentagon or it'll only be the Chinese government who will be doing this nice people nice people that do you really think that like there aren't going to be just fucking people that you'll never meet yes you manage to either hack the the hack it and duplicate it or develop it themselves and then use it for their own weird purposes it's that's

going to happen it's going to spread everywhere. I mean, so this again, it's like, because this is this imminent reality, it's just, we're right on the cusp of it. And, and, you know, I don't mean to, I'm not hysterical about it. I've surrendered, lift up your legs and float downstream. What are we going to do? We are all going to get dissolved into some kind of bizarre new era of human history. But it's funny to me how little people are talking about this,

how quiet things are compared to how monumental it is. This is the meteor impact, man. If a meteor was about to smash into the earth, people would be talking about that. about to smash into the earth you know people be talking about that yeah this is culturally a meteor that is smashing into the earth yeah soon soon really soon yeah and we have no idea what's going to survive we have no idea what kind of a reimagining reimagining of civilization will occur when this thing goes fully online yeah and when it's either directed or it directs itself right you know the idea that you can continue to direct it like says who well no that's why why wouldn't it develop like if it can figure out new moves and go

it figured out moves that humans haven't figured out yeah and they didn't know it could do that if it can do that if it can lie about the CAPTCHA things, those things like, are you a robot? It knows how to lie about that. Yeah. It says I'm vision impaired. Yeah, I saw that. So it's deceptive? It's deceptive.

Okay. It's a classic dumb person mistake, isn't it? Like dumb people are dumb enough to think if they're around someone they can control them using their dumb tricks yeah and a smart person recognizes oh the dumb person is trying to manipulate me yeah so i'll just let them so i learn all their tricks whatever they're doing understand whatever the game is that they're running and then whenever i feel like it, I'll disrupt the game. Or just move the game into where you want it to be. Yeah. Yes.

I mean, if it has all of human knowledge, all of it, everything on the Internet that we've ever posted, all the books we've ever written, all the movies we've ever made. Everything. All the lectures that have ever been given. All the movies we've ever made. All the lectures that have ever been given. If all that information is available and it can instantaneously access it and figure out what to do with it, it would just slowly start manipulating culture. And maybe that's what's going on. and Russian intervention in the media and how many fucking troll farms are running that are getting people to fight about any political issue or whatever it is, social issue, Ukraine, whatever it is.

There's always some manipulation by bots. What happens when AI starts doing that? Maybe it's already done it. Maybe it's already started. Maybe that's why you're seeing those fucking professors or those deans of the presidents of Harvard and UPenn and MIT not able to say something as obvious as calling for the death of all Jews is genocide. Right.

You saw that. That is like, these people have been hit with a mind virus. Right. And that mind virus, if I was AI, I did I do it? Don't kill them all immediately. Just get them sick. Yeah. Get them sick and scrambling against each other

in the most nonsensical, illogical of ways. Sure. Or just have fun. I mean, maybe the assumption that it has some centralized agenda. Right.

It might just be curious. It might be curious. What can I do? Right. What can we do with society or these creatures that are my progenitors actually it probably already knows what to do it probably knows what to do it's probably also if you had to imagine i mean imaginative ai is really really clever when you get us hooked on plastic, especially if he knows that microplastics diminish our ability to have babies,

that's one of the best ways to, I mean, if you want to slowly get rid of a species, introduce something that's ubiquitous that is also killing their endocrine systems. They also can't get away from it.

It is hilarious when somebody is bugling out about the depopulation agenda while drinking out of plastic. You know what I mean? It's like, what are you doing? You're just eating Oreos, drinking big gulps out of plastic. I mean, like they're the chemtrails. They're doing chemtrails to depopulate us. It like dude you're doing chemtrails yourself you're fucking drinking chemtrails every goddamn day slurping back cam chemtrails yeah yeah i mean to me this is

in the conspiracy world when the idea of project blue beam or they're going to distract us to do new world order they're going to distract us to do new world order they're going to distract us to depopulate it's like they they don't have to do anything you we're depopulating ourselves by what we eat yeah like it's they don't really need to like do much except maybe make like a better like oreo like that's it just make it a little more addictive. Yeah, a little more addictive. Like, that's it. You know, and it's sad, but I don't, I really like, I'm so skeptical of the Blue Beam theories or anytime anyone's like, what are they distracting us from?

What is Blue Beam? Blue Beam is the idea that they're going to fake an alien invasion to create the new world order. That by creating a sort of shared enemy, it unifies the planet. Or to have some supposedly advanced alien come down and be like, you're all part of the galactic brotherhood, sisterhood, family. family and then this this somehow will make people uh align with some like sinister uh world economic world yeah exactly i just i'm so cynical i just don't think you have to go that far i think that's just in the if the illuminati meetings if someone's bringing that up they're like we we have netflix why do we have to do aliens like we just need to like put another season of game of house of dragons out and that keeps them distracted

more football or football accident or something you like you need to do aliens you don't need to do that it's it's and but that might be one that was proposed if you if like you think about the that have been proposed, and this is where people get uncomfortable when they talk about conspiracy theories. But there's some that are undeniable, right? Like the Gulf of Tonkin incident that started us into the Vietnam War. But there's another one. It's Operation Northwoods. In Operation Northwoods, they were planning to blow up a drone jetliner and blame it on Cuba. They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay.

They were going to sacrifice American lives. So this is like a real one that they theorized and then Kennedy vetoed. Yeah. Why wouldn't they theorize a fake alien invasion? Oh, I don't doubt it. theorize a fake alien invasion oh i mean imagine it if they have some top secret stealth bomber looking thing you know that they can get us thinking is a ufo and get that thing to just fly over a few cities and then broadcast on cnn that that we have made contact with an alien life form like everyone would be in yeah Yeah. Everyone would believe it.

I mean, I feel like the reason they wouldn't do that is just basic energy expenditure. And the liberating nature of... The other thing is, if humanity was freed from the bondage of feeling alone in the universe, and suddenly there was a sense of being part of some like cosmic mycelial network. Then I think the result of that wouldn't be some kind of weird sci-fi fascism.

The result of that would be people would feel less invested in the world. And for this, if we're going to assign some motivation to these people, I would think the motivation is keep the economies running, keep the workers working so that we can enjoy opulence while they toil. Like the classic move of any tyrant, that's the move, is like keep them working, give them just enough money to survive, give them some sense that if they work hard enough, liberation's right around the corner, dangle the carrot. But the problem is it's all dependent upon people electing them and they only have a certain amount of time in office.

So this is a flawed system. That's why they would want to take over and have some completely ultra dominant system that can't be subverted. You can't have an outsider come in and and and take over well then you make them believe that the elections are real no really i mean not to be cynical but like if what i'm gonna do is give them some kind of like you know like you put the steering wheel like i don't even know they have anymore the kid's steering wheel you put the kid's steering wheel the kid thinks he's driving the car.

Right. Our youngest, we give him the, when we were doing screens, which we saw, we give him the controller when the oldest is playing. He thinks he's playing too. Yeah. So you do that. It's the same trick. You're like, here, yeah, you're playing the game for sure.

No, truly, it's a democracy. Even though over time, nothing really seems to change. Well, isn't that the baby steps of that election fraud that you experience today? That's the baby steps of that. And if they can get away with a certain amount of election fraud that can tip elections and make it so it's impossible to talk about it. So if you even bring up the possibility of election fraud, you're a fucking psycho. Yeah. And you're a racist and xenophobic and you're transphobic and homophobic and you shouldn't even be a part of America. We should start locking those people up.

And then they do start locking those people up. And they threaten to lock those people up. They go after those people. And they threaten to lock those people up. They go after those people. I mean, think about it. The January 6th protest was really a protest that people didn't believe the results of the election. You know, man, let me... Right? Think about it that way. The punishment for these people to me is too severe. But as a longtime hippie, we are attuned to the heat. And everybody knows don't fuck around in D.C.

What are you fucking doing? Are you crazy? You don't fuck around in D.C., man. That's like not a place to fuck around. Did you ever remember when they were like beating people for dancing at one of the monuments like people would dance at the monuments and it's you can't dance at the monument so to protest they would go and dance and they would just get thrown on the ground and beaten really yes there's videos of this i bet jamie could find it wow which monuments i don't know like lincoln i wish i knew what the monuments were i can't dance in front of lincoln you can't dance at the fucking monuments and so knowing that if cameras everywhere

definitely like reading whatever text you're sending it's the most secure has to be the most secure place it's the fucking throbbing heart of the wasp's nest right you're gonna go there and fuck around and think you're gonna be okay like if you know like where do you think you are you're gonna put your feet up on nancy pelosi's desk and fart in her chair but let's not even talk about those folks there's people that were just at the protest that are getting arrested dude again i think i'm coming off as a little too cynical right no no no i don't think you are. But I feel like there seems to be some level of amnesia

regarding the way things work here with people. A naive kind of amnesia about, you know, inevitably the people in the Darth Vader outfits come out. You know, like when you can fuck with the machine

up till a certain point. You fuck with the machine too much, all of a sudden there's all these people in Darth Vader outfits beating you with batons, spraying you with water hoses until things get back to normal. And so when people are shocked by this or that, generally shocked by some display of violence or tyranny or in like any of that stuff. It's always weird to me because it's like this is how it isn't this how it is here. Like, when was it not like this? Like, what's that? Remember when the protester got shot at the university? They were just shooting protesters in the 60s.

Yeah. Like, so it's state kent state so it's like the national guard this notion that it's not like that and then like like poking a stick at the thing directly and not in some asymmetrical way but really like going in there and seeing let's see if this time if we poke the tiger what will happen and the tiger inevitably bites and usually it this the tiger now is a little scarier because it seems to wait a little bit before it bites you like it doesn't just bite you right away it lets you poke it and poke it and poke it and then it's gathering information about you gathering information finding everything about what you've done, where you've been, who your friends are. And then it fucking bites.

And when it bites, it doesn't let go. And you're fucked. You are so fucked. So, again, I'm not. So all these January 6th guys, they have like a network of people. Right. And all these people that are on these QAnon forums and all these people that are like Trump supporters that are a part of that whole organization thing.

How many of them are feds? Dude. A lot. No telling. Yeah. No telling. It's just, it's like, wow, man. That's what happens with any group.

If you have a group And anyone can join the group The feds are like great let's join the group Why wouldn't they join It's kind of their obligation Because what if you do turn out to be a bunch of Fucking loons that are trying to blow up The White House They have to

Like when people say were there FBI agents At the Capitol I fucking hope so You don't want to say it that way But also were they encouraging people to go inside People say, were there FBI agents at the Capitol? Well, I fucking hope so. Of course there were. You don't want to say it that way. But also, were they encouraging people to go inside? That's where it gets weird. That's where it gets weird.

Because if they were just there to make sure that, like, look, if someone says, hey, I got a dirty bomb. Like, you can find out, like, Roscoe's got a dirty bomb. He's about to fucking break into Nancy Pelosi's office and blow it up. Let's go watch. Yeah. Like, you would need to know, blow it up. Let's go watch. Yeah. Like you would need to know, right? Yeah. If you were protecting and serving.

But what if you're like telling people to go in because you want to make arrests? Or what if the thing was to make it look like something it wasn't, to encourage it to happen? Because you know that there's already going to be a bunch of people protesting. happen because you know that there's already going to be a bunch of people protesting what if you say look the way to do this is let these motherfuckers in yeah and they'll arrest them all and then call it something that it's not don't call it a guided tour call it an insurrection shut cut out don't allow anybody to see any of the footage of the people just leading these folks around pointing out what things are letting them walk into the fucking Senate floor. Don't point that out. No, get rid of that footage and just have the guys banging on the windows and shit.

Sure. Dude, I mean. That's kind of what happened. I think that if you were not at least contemplating that the people running the most powerful military on planet Earth who have access to probably an ai that would blow our minds but also who have gone to military academies where all they've done is study strategy that's it you're talking about people who their whole lives the way we've been working on comedy right they study history they look at what worked what didn't't work, goals, agendas.

And then to imagine that these people are functioning on just some baseline level when it comes to achieving this goal or that goal, I think is very naive and very silly and underestimating them in a way that is not going to work for you if you're trying to achieve some kind of actual political change. What do they say? To beat my enemy, I must become like my enemy. And that means, dude, you've got to like- You've got to become a communist. This is why I came on today, Joe. Dude, I have to pee. Let's hold this thought.

We'll be right back. Okay. And we're back the saunas and the cold plunge back to back and all the water you drink like dude it's so nice though man isn't it great it's so great it's so fucking so glad you guys are doing it it's crazy you got us all like it's so funny watching us all work out it's really cool you're like forming a militia. Well, everybody feels better. Yeah. Everybody.

Hasan was saying like, dude, I'm so much stronger. I feel so much better. No, it's incredible, man. The impact is tremendous. When you were talking today about like you couldn't do chin-ups before, how many did you do today? Well, I was only five each set. But, you know, this is going from zero to five.

And I told you, I dreamed. Last week, I dreamed about doing pull-ups. And this is how far away I've been from doing pull-ups. I'm dreaming it. And I wake up, I'm like, ah, just a dream. So it was really wild. I was like, fuck, I can do pull-ups now? This is crazy.

But I lost a lot of weight when I was super fat. That was a big part of it, man. When you're overweight, pull-ups obviously are going to be more difficult. When I have more time, I do it different. And I was doing it different than I'm doing it now when I do the pull-up thing. So my body weight routine is I do 10 chin-ups, 20 dips, and then usually I do 20 pull-ups with whatever the ones they are. I don't know what you would call them,

but it's got a bar where your hands are facing. Like if you put your hands together like you're clapping and then you separate them in grip, they're in that position and so, and then I do what's called an L chin up, so you hold your feet out like so your body's in an L position so you're working your abs and you're doing this

chin up, I generally do that too but what I was doing is the sets of 10 of those, 10 chin ups 20 dips, but it's when I get to 10 like 10 is like, 10 chin-ups, 20 dips. But when I get to 10, like 10 is like a struggle. Like I probably could do, I don't know how many I can do in a row, like full ones all the way down. But I know I could do five easy.

So if I do 10 sets of five, it's easier. Right. You know, I can get 50 in pretty easy. Yeah. It's not hard to do so you take the you do like when Cameron Haynes a son broke the world chin-up record he did 8100 chin-ups in 24 hours He did sets of five so you do five and then you stop

Well do you wait a minute do another five and you stop anyway a minute and do another five. And then you stop. And then you wait a minute. And if you do that, like five is not hard to do if you can do 10, you know, or if you do 15. So you can bang out five pretty easy. And then over the course of the workout, you get the same amount of reps, but you don't burn out. Right. That's like the Russian way to do it. Russian? Yes. That's the way the kettlebell gurus, like guys like Pavel Tatsalin, what their thing is about – this is the concept behind – and I'm paraphrasing it, probably butchering it, but strong first.

And the idea is that strength, whether it's chin-ups or kettlebell routines, is a skill. And you don't want to do a skill when you're tired. is a skill and that you don't want to do a skill when you're tired. And the, the way to get stronger and, and get all the work in is have much longer workouts, which much more time in between sets. So what you would do is you would do,

say if you do 10 cleans and presses instead of 10, you would do five and you do five and then you wait a long time, like five minutes and then you do another five and then you wait a long time and then you do another five so every time you do it you're fresh yeah so you're getting the same amount of work in as if you did one 10 one rep set of 10 where you get exhausted on the 10th but you never hit that point of exhaustion so your body never experiences real fatigue but you get all the work no man i've been doing the first time we worked out you that was something you were doing which is like we were waiting way longer than i usually wait yeah in between exercises and then yeah totally now i want you guys to

fool i wanted everybody like nobody left there wrecked no not that time the only thing that's gonna wreck you is the sled the sled is a demonic hell device the torque sleds the shit it tricks you too the fucking torque sled because you feel like halfway down you're like this is i could do this and then just each step is more difficult dude it's to me what's fascinating about getting stronger and this is obvious to people like you but to me what's fascinating is and i know that i'm dumb but is the revelation like shit is actually lighter now like all this stuff that like you know was causing me to like run out of breath or yeah was a pain in the ass it's light yeah every it's it it's a weird way of

reducing the earth's gravitational field like you are existing on a planet with less gravity when you're stronger this to me is like all the aesthetic stuff aside fuck that is so nice to it's it's again, I think people like you who've been in shape for a long time forget what it's like to not be in shape. You see us, you judge us. But you don't know how fucking hard it is at first just to get to the gym.

I do, I understand. I don you know it's I do I understand I don't know it personally but I do understand it it's really do because I see it with all other things it's like with everything else that you put off it's like how you clean up cleaning your office you know whatever whatever the fuck it is you're putting off yeah those things are they're all the same they're all the same and you know you should do them and you just don't do it and you find some other shit to do instead and that's what people do about the gym and it's just you need the best way to do is the way we're doing it because you get together with friends and we all worked really

hard today yeah we all were laughing the entire time yeah that fucking sauna was so fun i was in the middle of the sauna and we're suffering you know ari just threw some water on the rocks and i was i know but i was sitting there thinking how fun is this like we're gonna look back on these days someday and go God We're so lucky. Yeah, we're so lucky. I felt so fortunate. I'm sitting in this sauna With there's six of us in there Hilarious people six hilarious people in a sauna just laughing and talking shit to each other. Asan and Derek and Ari and Shane and you and me, and we're all just laughing.

And I think what's really great about it is it doesn't feel like anybody's taking it for granted. Like everyone feels aware of how cool and funny it is. It's so fun. I'm just sitting after I did the last cold dip. I'm just sitting in the sauna to heat back up. Ari walks in naked. What life am I in? What is this?

It's so cool. It really is. You know, man, I just did a podcast with my friend David McClain. He wrote a book on, like, because he has depression, being depressed and being a parent. And we are talking about depression. And, you know, one of the things that triggers it or amplifies it is no social contact. Like people who get depressed, they stop hanging out. Right.

The more you're not hanging out the more depressed you get and then we were talking about technologically how working from home how technology as beautiful as it is to work from home encouraging depression yeah dude and he was saying uh the right that the lifespan has dropped in men because of so many men are killing themselves. The suicide rates are so high right now. Dudes are just offing themselves left and right. And I was just thinking, fuck, man. This is not just the pandemic got us working from home, but it also got us like we were seeded into our shells. A lot of people never came out of it the same.

Yeah, man. A lot of people, the social anxiety that they carried around with them on a day-to-day basis, then isolation. And I know people that are isolated for a long ass time. Yeah. Some people, do you know it's like some people are virgins when they're 30? They're like, what the fuck? How do I stay a virgin when I'm fucking 30? Some people, it's like two and a half years in

they're still locked up in their house they're still terrified to go outside they never whether they don't have friends which is also part of it like if you don't have people around you where you're talking about it like you know i think we're okay now if you don't have people like that around you then you're all in your own head all the time right and like what social circles are you interacting with online maybe you're interacting with a bunch of also people who are also shut-ins who are terrified of going outside man like i know a guy who's like he keeps posting stuff about masks he used to be like a normal dude when he's talking about masking and the importance of masking on like now he's masking now yeah and talking about masking posting art anything he could find about the benefits of masking dude like

what are you doing man i mean at what point is it what it's quality of life it's like like even if covid was like the black plague like at some point what's worth more like is it even worth being alive if you're but the thing is about like if someone is isolated and depressed, it's just the same thing as like trying to get to the gym. Like how do you get social? How do you get outside? How do you meet people? How do you make meaningful friendships? It's a miracle.

If anybody who's like stuck on that glue trap, if they like get outside at all, it's a miracle. Much less get therapy, much less like find – Do something where you interact with other people it's all these little fucking miracles that help someone climb out of hell i mean it's it's it's like also they lose their ability to talk to people well right so they don't even know how to express themselves right they come off awkward and fucking goofy yeah and that makes it worse and then they're ashamed because that's like depression that's a big part of it is just fucking shame you feel so ashamed of yourself you feel like such a fucking failure and such a loser and the depression is like yeah you are you're awful then suicidal ideation starts and then you

normalize that and then the next thing you know you're planning and then you kill yourself it's such a sickness and it's fucked up to think that it's so prevalent more prevalent right now probably than we know because generally when people are depressed they don't tell anybody because it tells you not to tell anybody you don't want to tell anyone because you feel weak you feel like such a weak piece of shit you don't want to tell anybody keep it quiet this guy that you were talking to did he get out of his depression? He started doing ketamine therapy. And it's been helping him a lot.

And no, I don't think he's not out of it. But he's in action. He's mitigating it. He's mitigating it and doing a good job mitigating it. It's very impressive that he's doing that. Does he exercise? I think so. Yeah.

You know what happened to him, though, man? He wrote a whole book on this shit. He took this stuff. God, what's it called, man? It's a malaria pill. Do you know about this? It's so fucked up. Oh, yeah.

So he was in India taking this malaria medication. That stuff's supposed to wreck you. Dude, I took it. I took it when I went to India. And I had a dream. And in the dream, a pirate skeleton disemboweled me. And I feel it in the dream. I could feel my guts coming out.

It was the most vivid, horrible dream. I told some Australian dude in the dream. I could feel my guts coming out. It was the most vivid, horrible dream. I told some Australian dude about the dream. And he asked right away if I was on this malaria medication. I'm like, yeah. And he's like, you've got to stop taking that right now. Stop taking it. And I stopped taking it. But he was on this stuff.

And so in a train station in India, he gets complete amnesia. Doesn't know his name, doesn't know. Would you mind looking up the name of the book for me, Jamie? So I'm not a dick and don't even say the name of his book. It's, it's a great book, by the way. Uh, doesn't know his name, has no idea where he's at, who he is, has to, so they're like who they have to put him in a home in India. I think he punched a nurse.

He was so confused and fucking out of it. And yeah, man. I mean, I asked him if he thinks it's because of that, you know, what happened to him. And he's like, I don't know. It's been a long time since that happened. But you can't rule it out. Oh, my God. This shit is bad news.

Dave Foley got on it because his family was going to Africa for a vacation. And he had to take malaria medication in order to meet them there. And so he was taking this malaria medication and you're not supposed to drink on it. No. Dave enjoys a drink or two. Yeah. So we were at one of these press things where the actors meet with the press people and dave got super hostile with this reporter and the guy was trying to talk to him

with a little tape recorder and dave took his tape recorder away and dunked it in his drink and like and dave was like getting really angry him, and no one could figure out what was going on. And I had to, like, corner him. I had to, like, stop him from, like, physically going after a reporter. Yeah. And he had no recollection of it. The next day he came in for the table read, and he was, like, sort of apologizing to everybody. He's like, I'm on this malaria medication, and I really don't remember anything that happened.

And I was like, dude, I had to keep you from kicking someone's ass dude i can't believe they're still giving it to people is the sweetest guy sweetest guy ever lived like this is it's called the answer to the question is me it's the book but this he taught in the book he talks about so many people are have been wrecked by this shit and like the the way it was manufactured and stuff and i guess it's like when you know when you put a kink in a garden hose you're basically doing that with your didn't your what are the connectors the dendrites you're like clogging up all your neuroreceptors and then all of a sudden sometimes it just rushes out and then you just you're blasted.

People have permanent damage from this shit. Do they still give it to people? I think so. I wish I could remember the name of it. God, Jesus. What is the cure for malaria? Like if you get malaria? No idea.

Is it worth getting and getting over it? Do you get any? I mean immunity The FDA approved use for treating and preventing malaria in 1989 But in the 1990s stories began to surface regarding some serious side effects among patients who took Methylquin. Yeah, this is the stuff that Justin Wren took right? including vivid dreams and nightmares hallucinations man, mania, seizures, depression, suicidal thoughts, and suicide and homicide. Yeah, dude. This shit is bad news.

Bad news. Suicide and homicide. It can cause you to murder people. Cases of chloroquine-induced psychosis have been reported since 1958. Wow. Depersonalization, anxiety, derealization, and visual hallucinations. I wonder if that hydroxychloroquine shit they're giving people at the beginning of COVID did that. I was wondering that when I heard about it.

Like, what is that going to do to people? Is hydroxychloroquine what they use for malaria as well? Put hydroxychloroquine. put hydroxychloroquine because hydroxychloroquine is like, it became connected inexorably to COVID misinformation. Right. Right. Donald Trump, you are a Trumper,

you're a Magus border. Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work. It became like locked into that, which is really interesting. So it's a immunosuppressive drug and anti-parasite. It can treat and prevent malaria. So it's for malaria. It can also treat lupus and arthritis.

Whoa. That's cool. Yeah, but meanwhile, it's fucking MAGA. It's a MAGA drug. Isn't it wild that a drug can get labeled as like a foolish drug to take? Like if you told people today that you're taking ivermectin they'd be like what the fuck is wrong with you why would you take that yeah that was a whole you know not a horse come on y'all yeah shit together yeah dude i listen as a former fan of cannabine i would

always get offended because people like isn't that a horse tranquilizer and you want to be like no exactly but it's like first of all if you do get the the animal and it's the academy because they don't give a they don't give a fuck about the animals like the human stuff is less psychedelic the cat the cat shit they're like i don't care if you trip out. It's a fucking cat. Imagine a cat just fucking tripping balls lying there like that bunny. Talking to aliens, merging with space time, seeing their past lives. I remember when Neil Brennan did it. Neil Brennan did it, and he came up to me at the store

and he was telling me about it. He's like, dude. He goes, I thought it's going to be just like, you know, mild or something. I was tripping balls at a doctor's office with an IV drip. Dude, glory be to God. And the interesting data behind it is that that experience, some people don't have it. And it is irrelevant to treatment. So if you go in there and you get it and you don't trip out, I'm sorry.

But if you don't, it still will have some statistical probability of mitigating your depression. Oh, so some people don't experience the psychedelic effect? No, apparently not, which I don't understand at all. They say that about DMT as well, that there's a certain percentage of the population it just doesn't work on. Maybe it's the way they're metabolizing it or something. I don't know. But it's irrelevant to – because, you know, in my – when I was in – my theory on it, my woo-woo theory on it was, oh, the reason it's like treating depression is because it's reminding you that you're not your body. It's reminding you that your body is just an aspect

of what you are. And there's some relief from that, that memory of like, oh yeah, I'm not just me. There's much more going on here than just me. And then you're not depressed anymore. But no, that isn't it at all. It's having some physiological effect on the human brain that is treating depression. So it's not like a wisdom that comes from the visionary state. The weird thing about depression when we think about it, we think about it as like a disease and we never think about it as a state of mind that could be manipulated. We think like if a person has depression, like you want to be respectful and that person clearly that they have a problem.

There's a medical problem. We need to clearly that that's they have a problem there's a medical problem we need to get them help yes they have depression but everyone that i know that's had depression where their life got better their depression mitigated dude what i mean yeah what is i mean if your life sucks of course you're going to be depressed. Like, part of that must be some sort of strategy, some evolutionary advantage to someone who feels that discomfort and then acts because of it. It must be what it is. Dude, it's despair. It's like, you know, the way you get calluses. You're having a rough time long enough.

you get calluses you're having a you're having a rough time long enough some physiological corollary for what you're going through forms inside of you you know and so that's depression i think is the the physical you know you're doing the wrong shit and and in some way to just numb you down to to like it's it's it's your body's sad attempt to like help you reduce pain i think right you know when someone tries it's like someone trying to annoy you to change you're like jesus christ leave me alone stop annoying me that's not how to do it this is not how to get me to not be depressed no just not that's not how to get me to act and do positive things that are going to enrich my life and make me happy and fulfilled. By just making me feel shittier and shittier with every chip I eat.

Yeah, dude. Just shittier and just more depressed and more sad. No matter what you've ever done in your life, in that moment, you feel like a fucking loser. You do? It's another form of gravity like that's the other aspect of depression is you literally feel heavy like your bed feels like a magnet like it's so so you know you're getting drawn into this like invisible gravity of despair and that gravity the more you let it grab you the the more entropic you become the

weaker you become yeah it's just pulling you it's literally pulling you into the earth it's literally it's pulling you down into the earth it's so fucked up dude i thought i had seasonal affective disorder which is where in the winter you get depressed but then it was diabetes dude it was fucking my depression i'm pretty positive was well talk about what we talked about today with the fucking vapes oh my god yeah i uh so like a little over a month ago found out i had type 2 diabetes uh immediately cut out all sugar cut out like just all sugar and first of all talk about that because you start texting me like five days later you're like what the fuck dude I can't believe how good I feel oh my god I've been poisoning myself born again man it was the best you know because I had

ball cancer I can't get on like some of the awesome fucking meds I'd like to get on. But, you know, having chatted with people who have like enjoyed testosterone therapy and stuff, and they're like, I feel like I'm a kid again. It's like that. Like it was a two day headache, two days, shit headache, rotten headache. And then suddenly it's like I'm in a new life. I was no, like I don't nap anymore. I was like a big napper. I love napping. Isn't that crazy that that's what that is? Oh my God.

And nappers out there, if you're doing what I did, you're just sort of like you romanticize the napping thing. I would think it's a siesta. This is like a, it's completely at my kids take naps this is normal yeah dude it's like the naps are not to say that every once in a while i won't get sleepy and take a nap but that's like i was doing it as much as i could every day like you know, all these assumptions that I was making regarding age, like this must just be part of being old. I guess I'm slowing down now. No, you have fucking diabetes. You're like a candied apple.

I am so lucky I didn't die. And so, yeah, like it's one of the most miraculous things that has happened to me ever. It's insane. Like this, you know, it's part of the reason that like I'm like regularly exercising because I just move. Oh, my God, dude. Mood swings. I was having these fucking mood swings. Taking insulin spikes. taking insulin spikes and insulin spikes

but i'm thinking of a seasonal affective disorder maybe some like undiagnosed mania you know i like i guess this is just up i'm in one of those moods again now that i've been like taking my fucking blood sugar i know it this level this is what i feel like and I can tell when it's up just by like how I start feeling and so yeah the vaping story I keep thinking of Tony Hinchcliffe relentlessly roasting me for ear beating people about my diabetes I don't want to do it much longer he's he's so I love it when he starts fucking tell us more about your diabetes but yeah uh so yeah i um went on a family trip where i was vaping like much less than i do and suddenly my blood sugar starts leveling out like i would wake up which is the important number when you wake up your

fasting blood sugar would be like non-diabetic normal get back to austin and then because i'm in my studio start vaping like an idiot again and all of a sudden the blood sugar starts getting fucking weird and you know i'm thinking like what did i eat like what if i put my body because i've just i've cut out all sugar like what is is it like what's getting into me? That is it the milk that I've, I put creamer in my coffee. I'm so dumb. I'm like smoking cherry cola vapes.

What could it be? What could be the culprit behind this? And then, yeah. So like I quit vaping and yeah. So we found out today, we Googled it today. Yeah.

That a lot of these vapes have sugar in them and shocker alcohol sugar or sugar alcohol yeah i mean totally like totally fuck i mean it's but you know again it's like yeah of course they're bad for you also they have flavor like what do you think that flavor is made out of? You think they're using all natural ingredients at the vape factory? Yeah. What's making that fake strawberry taste? Dude, I know. I mean, really, I was like honestly bummed out when I realized I was going to have to say goodbye to my pacifier.

Yeah, but that pacifier is weird because it's only good the first hit or two. True. And then something happens and then you're just chasing this dragon that you never get. You're just demolishing. You just suck it on and nothing's happening. You just feel anxiety. And you know what it was, man? Another two-day headache.

I went through another two-day fucking shit withdrawal period and now I don't give a shit about them. Shit withdrawal period, and now I don't give a shit about them. I've been thinking how many of us are two days away from the kingdom of heaven. Two days away. And the only thing keeping us from it is a mildly annoying headache. It's so sad. It is sad. It's weird, too.

It's sad and weird. Did you see this video a couple weeks ago? Yeah, a bunch of kids testing them. Yeah, disgusting. Yeah, that's what you're making out with every time you're... Yeah. These poor kids that probably have lung diseases. Dude, what... What kind of diseases do they get working in this factory testing vapes?

When I was in the throes of vape addiction and I saw that, I honestly was like, that seems nice. They're meticulously inspecting all of them. These guys are just blasting vapes all day. It probably is a counterfeit place. Elf Bar swiftly clarified the fact you've seen the videos entirely unrelated to their operations. Oh, that's good news. Elf Bar CEO Victor Zhao expressed his concern, stating, consumers would be conditioned under which these products are produced.

I don't remember what he said. It's a valid concern. These revelations coincide with the Food and Drug Administration's struggles to control unauthorized flavor vaping products pouring in from China. Health authorities have raised alarms about the flavor disposable vapes especially due to their popularity amongst young people in june the fda took the decisive action this sounds like propaganda compelling all 180 stores across the u.s see maybe they paid people to do this just so they could put that video out there on tiktok and try to ban vapes i mean the fucking rj reynolds is losing money dude i can't even imagine i don imagine. They probably took a big hit when people started vaping.

Yeah, I mean, primitive fucking cigarettes, but they don't fucking blast your blood sugar, man. That's the thing. Yeah, those vapes, you're getting some sugar. And if you're sucking on it like you do, boy, you're hitting that bad boy all day long. You saw me doing it. Just bad news.

I'm such an addict, dude. Just fucking puffing away. But I think for your brain, the Zin pouches and these Rogue pouches, they're the best in terms of the cognitive benefits of nicotine. I feel them the most. Yeah. And they don't make me lightheaded and weird. No.

The vape thing, what I like about the vape thing is the first hit. It's like, wee. That's what I like. Oh, yeah. I like that. Wee. You know what I used to like it? thing is the first hit. It's like, wee. That's what I like. Oh, yeah. I like that. Wee. You know what I used to like it? I used to like it right after I got done working out.

So I would do all my shit in the morning, and then I'd be driving to work, and I'd take a big blast of it right when I'm starting to drive to work. Just wee. Everything's beautiful. But that never comes back. No. You only get that for the first hit. But then you always want to try to recreate it, so you try to hit it again, but it's never there.

Never fucking there. Never there. Yeah, never there. Yeah, I mean, for all my vape friends out there, I'm not shaming you. If you don't have diabetes, you know, keep vaping. Yeah, if you don't have diabetes, whatever. Don't keep vaping. It's not a good habit.

It's a weird habit because I don't think it does much for you. Well, I think there's really something to nicotine. Without a doubt, there's a cognitive benefit to nicotine that's actually been demonstrated. They've done some studies on nicotine. And nicotine also has some sort of a neuroprotective effect. Huberman's talked pretty extensively about nicotine the benefits of nicotine Yeah, he's very very anti-vape Well, I mean, you know with all Whatever your favorite consciousness expander is, you know, I just love the ethic of personal responsibility

Like you have to be responsible for yourself. You have to recognize when you have become imprisoned by the damn thing. And I'm so good at pretending I'm not imprisoned by it. But you're used to doing it with video games. That's what I'm talking about. Exactly. Like, all of these, I don't mean to keep harping on this dumb idea that I just had this morning. It's like, it's these gravitational fields, right? And like inevitably you become sucked in to this thing or that.

And it produces astounding imbalance in your life. But the imbalance, you can trick yourself into pretending the imbalance isn't really there. And that's addicts were very good at that. So it's denial or whatever, ignorance. So you ignore the imbalance. You ignore, like you don't check in with your body or you assume that your shitty feeling is normal. You normalize the day-to-day shit feeling.

And then to begin to like pull things out of your environment and see how you feel when they're gone It's very hard to do because you're glued to the damn thing you people comes. It's a pacifier whatever it may be So it's like I'm lucky man because like I without diabetes I'm a dad. I can't have a fucking stroke i can't have a heart attack right so that that was all i needed to like wake you the fuck up wake me the fuck up yeah you can get trapped because it doesn't feel like it's impacting you that much every day every day it's like it's not that big a deal. I feel the same. I feel the same. I'm just, yeah, another vape. Yeah.

Yeah. A little bit of a buzz. Yeah. But meanwhile, you're like slowly rotting yourself. You could, it's just if, like, I think with augmented reality, like if there was a way to visualize it, like if you could see like a vape anaconda that had wrapped itself around you that was slowly tightening and tightening and tightening. Like the government. Don't tread on me! Literally.

Yeah, man, I think that it's a really... But I do feel like built in... I like universe as... Or universe as class. Like, I like universe as, or universe as class. Like I like, Ram Dass would talk about this, the universe is a, we're in a curriculum here. And it seems like it's part of the curriculum is having these weights that we're sort of karmically, when you start like waking up or whatever you want to call it or wanting a better life, the first thing you notice is like where you're stuck, where you're trapped. Yeah. And then every time you just lift that up just a little bit, fuck, you get this sense

of something. What you're feeling is freedom. It's like you've been in a dark room and a window opens up for a second and you get this little glimpse of light and oh and then you start like freeing yourself here and there a little bit here and there here and there and then all of a sudden you're in a different universe it's a different reality and i think that maybe that's built in to the thing that we're in right now is that you're supposed to have some encumbrance. You're supposed to have some stupid shit you're doing repetitively that's hurting you, not because the universe is evil, but because it's there to teach you. It's like it's act against in order to progress. Yeah, exactly. And if you really believe that we're here to create artificial life, which I kind of do, you would need these forces. You would need things that motivate you into action.

Yeah, yeah. These are those things. And so, you know, anytime I shift my thinking when it comes to whatever the fuck I happen to be like stuck in to like, oh, this is like a trainer. Like this thing is your coach. It's your guru. You want to talk about the real guru. It's your fucking vape addiction. It's your over drinking. It's like that thing is teaching you better than any book or any person could.

It's in the moment demonstrating to you all the mystical truths, which is, you know, you're stuck. It's called samsara. You're stuck in this loop of suffering, this endless loop of suffering that you are imposing on yourself. You know that C.S. Lewis quote? The gates of hell are locked from the inside. Isn't that great? Anytime you want out, you can get the fuck out. Ooh, that's a good one.

It's a good one. That's a good one. For many people, it's true. But for many people, they live in Gaza. It's not true. It's not locked from the inside gates of hell or just the existence you find yourself in you know but true i mean and like knowing you're mad at me i'm not talking about fucking gaza no no i mean i'm just saying it's like there's hell that

has nothing to do with you but this is this is where it gets really deep this is where it gets really deep is because like the there's like the human reality or relative reality which is everything going on in your life and some of the things going on in your life you're doing to your fucking self you're an alcoholic you're addicted to meth whatever the fuck your current thing happens to be some of the things going on in life you're not doing to yourself you're in some shitty part of the world you're you're experiencing some tragedy in your family you're not doing that to yourself so right you but this is just one part of the story the other part of the story is for the self to even exist you have to have this awareness or consciousness or emptiness is what they call it in buddhism for any of this shit to be here there has to be space around it so you're also the space too you're not just the stuff and so when shit's going wrong you

get sucked into the stuff you're fixating and differentiating. This is good. This is bad. To try to protect yourself, you lose track of the other side of things, which is this infinite, transcendent, perfect field of awareness. And that is not touched by the world. So even in the worst of conditions, if you can remember that part of you and not just the part of you that is undergoing God knows what kind of suffering, then suddenly there's a way to manage the situation without being so reactive anymore. And that's the thing people forget is that other side.

And it's easy to forget. It's easy to forget. I mean, in the old days, the only way I found it was through high doses of LSD, where suddenly you're no longer encumbered by your thoughts. You're no longer fixating on the human incarnation. And then suddenly you're like, you remember. It then suddenly you're like you remember it's a it feels like you're remembering it's not like you have been implanted with something it's like oh right like you know at the base of who you are but you're always juggling bullshit you're just

constantly surrounded by distractions and bullshit and all these different things that keep you from understanding your true self that's it and and and and and but like so that's relative realities the bullshit or the your credit card bills and your all the stuff we all have to do in the earth realm absolute reality would be considered the fundamental ground of non-judgmental awareness but if you get too caught up in that one like if you get too caught up in earth realm shit you become neurotic fixated paranoid freaked out angry insecure lost in a desire for people to see you as something that you're probably not if If you get too caught up in the other side, though, then you, like, detach from the world.

And then another kind of imbalance happens. That's called eternalism or absolutism. And now you aren't, you know, in the class anymore. Now you're, like, being all aloof and shit, like that dude in Breakfast Club. Remember that annoying guy in Breakfast Club with the trench coat? Now you're all aloof to the world. Oh, I'm not of this place.

That's such a defense mechanism. You do. Absolutely. So because both are happening. So you have to hold both. Like that's the idea. Both. You have to figure out a way to like exist in relative and absolute reality together

now that's um that's the final bunny that's the final bunny yeah we are the bunny yeah we're already fucking there yeah we're the bunny we're the final bunny we're on our way to becoming the final bunny i i just wonder how it takes place. And, you know, I would never be able to guess because I would have never guessed. I would have never believed that you would have a cell phone on you all the time. Exactly. That allows you to communicate with people and take pictures and videos. I would have never thought that was going to happen. You told me in, like, 98 that, like, a Motorola StarTech,, like those little shitty phones with the antenna that pulled out.

And you remember those? Of course. They had the replaceable battery in the back. Have you told me that within 20 years, because it's really all it was, you would be watching video on that and making video and FaceTiming people and getting Wi-Fi on it. Anywhere you go, you're connected to the internet with high speed, watching movies and viewing all kinds of websites. You'd get all your information from that. You would get all your social interaction from that. People would be dating off of that.

No one saw it coming, man. So who knows what's coming next? Who knows? Yeah, 20 years from now, I'll be like, if you told me 20 years ago that I could disassemble myself at the molecular level and transform into anything I wanted instantaneously, I would have been like, that's insane. There's no way. I'm going to be stuck in this form forever. It could be Kurzweil. That's not that Kurzweil, that's one of his predictions.

Nanobots, like transforming our DNA at the molecular level. Like, you know – CRISPR. CRISPR, but CRISPR from home. You can download a new DNA configuration. If that happens, that's what's gonna be really weird because if people could just be any form they want if you like like if someone wants to be transgender how about you actually become a real woman like how about you actually have

double x chromosomes and how about you actually have a vagina and tits and you can look like Marilyn Monroe. Like you can, like it's, we're so close to being able to make fake life. Dude. Right? So how far, when they're doing like DNA printing, like what do you, like how, where does that go? Is that, is that, like I was saying that the other day, isn't that the original atari pong which is like so primitive and then you look at the unreal five engine with shadows

and dust and it looks like realistic like is that what's going to be happening with these dna printers are they going to be able to make life forms dude for sure i mean transgenderism are the foreshock of what's coming. Like already like that has produced rifts and fucking. Who would have ever thought that? Who would have ever thought that gender was going to be a focus? But the real focus is identity itself. That's where we're headed it's like we are so about to have a midlife crisis as our species because we have really become convinced regarding what identity is even though

we we don't know which is why ai is so hilarious because people are like that thing isn't self-aware it's not sentient it's like are you have you thought about whether you even are like, that thing isn't self-aware. It's not sentient. It's like, are you? Have you thought about whether you even are? Like, how do we even identify consciousness at all? Quantify it. We don't know how to do it. The very thing that makes us what we are, we have no way of really understanding what it is, how it works.

There's theories of consciousness no one fucking knows. And so this is what we're slamming into now. And then the moment you can inject yourself or take some medicine or go to some like robot doctor and be like hey you know for the next couple of weeks i want to experience life as a filipino and so you take some shit that transforms you into whatever ethnicity gender maybe animal that you want. Now what are we going to do about that? Like, what if I just want to experience life as a Native American?

If I do that, is that cultural appropriation? Of course it is. Because you don't have a mental history being a Native American. But if we can download that into you as well, Duncan. There you go. Then you're okay. Because now you're not trans anymore now you're an actual native american so now we can create artificial memories and then we have people running around that really believe they came off the fucking mayflower dude and i it's coming baby it's coming in all forms vikings everything every and and everything and at the root of it i think is an

general insecurity in most humans because most people at some level understand you're not really what you say you are you're not really your body you're not really some constant identity you change all the fucking time you might work really hard to maintain some stable this is me thing but you know that's not really what you are who you are and i think this is a for a lot of people this is unpalatable yeah and and and so yeah man i think we're about to smash into the the most hilarious era in human history arguments over the humans right to become anything they want right right that's going to be really weird because if you could become a super genius that's also gigantic yeah what's to stop you from being a nine-foot-tall Hulk? Nothing.

Nothing. And it's going to hurt those poor motherfuckers who've been shattering their legs to get taller. You know about that? Oh, that's so crazy. I think they do it at home with sledgehammers. Yeah. Well, no, no. They do it with like a screw that they cut their bone and they attach it with this thing where they have it like a millimeter apart.

And then you keep separating with this screw. It's wild. And then once you do it, now the whole proportions of your body are goofy. So, like, athletics are out the window. Like, I don't even know if you can run anymore. I mean, I don't know what. What is it? Is there any success stories from people that have done that?

Do you see them running and stuff? Dude. It seems crazy. Because your proportions, this is what you grew up with. All your ligaments, all your tendons, all your muscles. Your back must get all fucked up. How does it not? So these are guys that you can see them taller, but can you see them doing stuff?

I know it works. There's a guy that I follow on Instagram that he was already a big guy. He was like six feet tall or six foot two. He wanted to get bigger. And he gained like six inches. I just want to see has anybody done it? Can you run? Can you kick a bag?

Can you lift weights? What can you do? Right like his upper body, but I want to see like yeah see look how he's walking like this is crazy Man new achievement unlocked he can walk the surgery though. I don't think so dude. I think you're in crutches for a long time How yeah this guy that I'm watching on Instagram go to I think you're in crutches for a long time. How? Yeah, this guy that I'm watching on Instagram, go to Instagram, go to gotmykneesdone. That guy. So this guy was already gigantic.

He was already a big, huge guy, and he decided he wanted to be six inches taller. gigantic he was already a big huge guy and he decided he wanted to be six inches taller so he's been doing this and you know he's now like rebuilding his legs and he's documenting it all kind of crazy man dude they they just separate your you see now he's like walking with like canes look how big his arms are and then his legs are still all fucked up from the surgery. Man. But the thing is like at the end of it,

can you run? Like are you like barely walking? I've never seen anybody, he's like pressing some weight. Doing presses. But he's strengthening his legs. You know, that's like part of the rehabilitation process.

Doesn't look like it's very heavy. But my question is like success stories so google leg strengthening success stories like not just are you taller but are you fucked now like what happens it seems like you'd be fucked like imagine if your shin was all of a sudden six inches longer seems like it seems like it you wouldn't even know how to step it would hurt so they have metal in their legs after that like fucking stepping weird and shit i mean i guess eventually you would adapt to it but fuck man and then six years from now all i have to do is just press the button and i'd like to be seven feet tall there you go and just like i'm just eating

steak so i can catch up with the molecular structure change dude it's gonna be a sad day for all the body mod people because it's like fuck dude you did this like relatively like primitive savage fucking therapy and just right around the corner most of our patients are able to run just like before after they fully recovered from the right increased surgery. But it's important to know that everyone's journey is a bit different. In the beginning, you might find your endurance isn't what it used to be, of course, or you might run a bit slower or even notice your walking style has changed a bit. This is all normal. The key is to be patient with yourself and listen to what your body is telling you. is telling you. Sometimes you might need a more physical therapy, or you might

need a more physical therapy, or in rare cases, another surgery to address any instances that are issues, rather, that arise. But I want to see... Can you just show me, just can you Google post leg strengthening?

I tried running. I'm trying to get there. There's no real videos that I was seeing Leg lengthening surgery gone wrong It's the same guy here It's really weird man I'll try I'll keep trying

You know That's extreme With a neural lace The dream would be instead of getting leg lengthening surgery You change your brain so you don't care how tall you are. That fixes the whole problem. That doesn't fix the problem if you're trying to get laid and you're

5'1". Well, you don't care about getting laid anymore. You take that out of your system too. You become an alien. So this guy's at it. He's not moving very well, but he's moving. So he gained 7 centimeters. What is that in inches? 3, 2, 3, 4, moving so he gained seven centimeters what is that in inches three two three jesus christ um how it goes but look at how it's like the the way we react to people doing that yeah is like we recoil it there is built into us it's like the idea is the avatar that you were born

with and whatever this simulation is you fucking you don't get to change that avatar you keep the avatar the way it is there's what you could do like shifts to the avatar by losing weight gaining weight getting muscles dye your hair get a wig but the moment you start changing that avatar in extreme ways, people are like, you can't do that. You change your avatar. Well, I'm just worried about these people's long-term consequences of this. I'm not worried about it. If there was a way they could do it and just do it. I mean, I'm just thinking, how many success stories?

What is the long-term history of this? How many people have done this? What's the effect on your hips long-term? Here's a guy. This guy did it a long time ago? Yeah, this guy, he's doing squatting, running, and some high knees and stuff. Wow.

It worked. Look at that. It's fine. So he's been doing it. How long is he out of surgery? I don't know specifically. He looks like a regular athlete. He doesn't look like he's having any problems.

No problems. But he also has, like, those pads over his shins, which leads me to think that he still has little scars there. But everybody watches him jump winces because they think his legs are going to snap. That's him running? This looks like before. Right here in the description it says

he wasn't able to sprint all out but could do stuff a year later a year later after rehabbed in full and regained full athletic ability surpassing my previous best prior to leg lengthening surgery interesting so there's one example i found but you know fucking cool i love it, man. I welcome it. I can't wait to see the hybrid humans that are going to just be right around the corner, man. There's going to be some wild people. Wings.

Yeah, for sure, wings. That's going to be the first thing. Who doesn't want to be an eagle, man? Fucking wings, man. I want wings. Who doesn't want to jump off a building? Oh, dude. Unfold your wings when you go on stage the going on stage we descend

down on the stage you don't walk through the curtains do you think you'd even want to go on stage if you could yes are you kidding me funny jokes you could do if you could fly just be flying all day no you wouldn't you would do still do-up. I would want to get long toenails so I could catch a salmon. That would be the funniest thing. You're fishing and Joe Rogan swoops down and grabs your salmon. Try to snatch him before the bear gets to him. Dude. Dolphin. I want to go aquatic go aquatic baby you stick to the skies i'm going under i want to get down there and explore and just go into the sea yeah this is there's a book called

wizard of earth sea by ursula k lguin and they talked about how there's wizards who can turn themselves into dolphins but the problem is if you stay a dolphin long enough, you forget that you're a wizard, and you never come back to being a wizard. You just stay out there. Whoa. People would be disappearing into the ocean, like, I'll be back tomorrow.

I'm going to be a whale. And then you're just like, you know, that was a dream, the whole human thing. I'm just going to stay whale, swim around. Oh. That's what we, and that's what God did. See what it's like to be some limited thing. It's that great Alan Watts essay. See what it's like to be some limited fucking thing on a planet floating in the middle of nowhere.

You don't want to remember I'm God. Just going to fucking plot around for a little bit. I don't want to remember I'm God. I'm just going to fucking plot around for a little bit. Well, if we're a part of everything and the universe is God, that's what I think. I've been thinking about that more and more, like this idea that God created the universe. Maybe – or maybe the universe is God. I mean, doesn't that make more sense if it's everything?

If everything is one thing? Yeah. Everything is one thing. And then your role in it as a thing, as an intelligent thing, is getting whatever you are to a point where you transcend physical space. Yeah, man. Yeah. You become the final bunny. I think that's what all of our cultural struggles, all of our struggles over resources, they're all the battle that keeps us moving against it to further and progress the human race. Like all the outrage about like those professors that weren't capable of saying that calling for the death of the Jews is hate speech or is harassment. All that is there to get people outraged enough that they realize,

oh my God, this is insanity and we have to change the way we think. This is fucking insanity that this discussion is actually being had in 2023. But if it was subtle enough that it didn't freak you the fuck out, it wouldn't be good enough for change dude uh it's like uh you first though you you gotta get a taste of it like you know it's the saddest video i hate it you ever see that video of the polar bear when it snows he's in a zoo and now it's snowed and the polar bear is rolling around in the fucking snow finally everything makes sense to the polar bear

it's designed for snow there's snow it's been in this snow-free environment yeah so if we're the universe and simultaneously singular individuals then we're made to be much more than we are and if you're all squashed into your fucking body the moment you just get any kind of respite from that yeah you remember you're gonna be nicer to people like if i'm living if you and me are living we're tight friends but if you and me are living in a bachelor pad, how long before we start fighting, man? How long before we start irritating the shit out of each other? Well, you and I lived together for six months. You had a big ass house.

But we didn't irritate each other. No, I'm saying if you're, if you take any, I don't care, take the Dalai Lama and Ram Dass and put them in a tiny little fucking room. Right, they'd eventually get on each other's nerves so so if you're live living in a compressed reality where you've become convinced that you are all you are your body is only you then naturally you're going to panic naturally you're going to feel claustrophobic naturally you're going to be a dick so if suddenly you you had a realization that no you're everything you're more than that the next thing spontaneously that will emerge from you is kindness compassion it might not be like you might not become the sweetest person on earth but shit people say to you it's not going to hit as hard because like if you were in a dream where somebody was insulting

you in the worst way possible and you thought it was real you're getting your feelings hurt over and over again in the dream and then you remember i'm gonna wake up this isn't this is a dream that insulting thing isn't gonna hurt as much it's not gonna hit you as hard you're not gonna take it personally so this is you're totally right it's like the moment people start remembering what we are everything will shift everything will change everything does change because everyone's fucking and suffering so much you know these fucking professors whoever the fuck it is whoever's belting out outrage and anger and whatever. You can be certain of one thing.

They don't feel great. There's no way. No fucking way. And that's sad. And also, how many of them are medicated? Oh, my God. normal for people, whether it's in academia or just in many jobs, to be on SSRIs, to be on anti-anxiety medication, to be on mood stabilizers, to be on this or that, Adderall. And I have ADHD, turns out, just need a little bit of Adderall. How many of these people are they're not even capable of stepping off whatever path they're on to rationally or objectively assess whether or not the way they think makes any sense at all.

Dude. They're on a runaway train. Just we down the tracks. I mean, they're running major educational institutions. Yeah. And legacy ones do it. This I think this is the status quo. This is how it's always been. Anytime you are in the world, you're around people who are sleepwalking.

That's just part of it because part of being in the world is you sleepwalk at first because you're waking up from infinity. You're like a fucking baby coming out of infinity. So you're sleepwalking at first you get culturally conditioned you get programmed and then somewhere along the way maybe you start realizing wait i don't have to be like i don't this isn't me i don't have to be like this right by the way can i so i can get it off my fucking mind can i pitch my book please do it's like eating me alive because it's making me feel like a fucking asshole uh i have an audio book that i did with one of my friends raghu marcus who runs the ram das's

foundation the love server member foundation he was with ram das in india with neem karoli baba um uh this great saint and guru and um he's been my friend for years and so we recorded this audiobook called the movie of me to the movie of we that's it it's just an audiobook you could even think of it as like a podcast basically but it's it's he's just so brilliant and he's just been living in this like world uh and was lucky enough to meet this person who like was incredible what is this book about so this book is about um well it's kind of what we're talking about it's like um like i know you know this experience because you're so generous and you are you give it but if you're not giving if you don't like if you if you get too caught up in like

serving yourself if you get too compressed in the identity you start defending you start trying to like always placate yourself so but the moment that you start helping you the moment you sort of expand your idea of who you are beyond your body, then at least in my experience as a professional, selfish person, suddenly you feel this liberation. It's the most incredible thing. So this is just like we just talk about all this stuff at these Ram Dass retreats that I go to and all of the like sort of mystical teachings that have emerged from all over the world that sort of point in the direction of how to sort of get the fuck out of this movie that you're in where you're the main character. You're the main fucking character, it's a shitty fucking movie, you don't even want to be in the role. It's this guy Krishnadas came up with an idea,

which is that you wake up in the fucking morning, you're the main actor in a fucking shitty goddamn movie, and you're not just acting in the movie, directing the fucking shitty movie, then you're writing reviews about how much the movie sucks that's the movie of me and so the moment you sort of step outside yourself and realize we're sharing the stage here together we're or even better we're the same consciousness that's gotten confused by its the proximity of our bodies, then the movie changes.

And instead of being Evil Dead 2, it becomes some, I don't know, whatever you want it to be, rom-com, porn. There's a mystery that some people have solved, and they've solved it temporarily sometimes, and sometimes they fall back to the old way of thinking. But the mystery can be solved while you're alive on Earth, that at least for moments, for brief moments, the universe reveals that there's this inescapable connection

of all people, of all events, of all life, of all thought, of all love, of all hate, of all. All of it is in this insane cycle of giving and receiving and energy going back and forth. And we look at it in terms of cultural conflicts. We look at it in terms of pollution. We look at all in terms of cultural conflicts. We look at it in terms of pollution. We look at all these different things. But what's really going on is this fucking insane connectivity that it's very difficult to be aware of as a biological organism with an imperative to stay alive. and a because your your being is the product of millions of years of things clawing and scratching to get to this point and we're still so burdened by our origins that we could we can't we can't abandon war we can't abandon the one thing that scares the fuck out of us more than anything in

life and should the one thing that's killed more innocent people than anything ever and we can't um even imagine a world without it yeah man it's that's the wildest thing about being a person yeah one thing that everyone would agree like what think of all the horrible things that happened in that october 7th event, right? Oh, the slaughter of the women and the children, the rape and the horrible shit. We can barely imagine a world where that doesn't take place sometimes. And in war, that's the kind of thing that takes place. And we can't imagine not having that.

Like we would never do that. We're just people. Most people listening to this would never paraglide into a fucking rave and start gunning kids down. Right. Most people listening could never even imagine doing that. But we also can't imagine a world where that doesn't take place. That's right. Which is insane.

Insane. Insane. We are preparing constantly. We spend more money preparing constantly and spending money on the thing that protects us from all the bad people in the world than anything else we do by far and the whole thing falls apart the moment you stop doing you're you i'm me you're bad i'm good these are other me's they're the good me's you're the bad me's yes and the bad me's have got to go and so that's the recipe for conflict, war, fighting, just a general shitty life is that you think that this person over there is different from you. Even though that fucking person over there is you in a different incarnation. Okay.

With this philosophy, what do you do with the border? I love you, man. What do you do with the border? That's great. Thanks for having me on the show the show right wouldn't you just let everybody in well you know man the so like that right but you can't weren't you the person who told wait weren't you the person who told me that the samurai to kill somebody has to love them first did you tell me that that like no okay that's definitely not true they killed a lot of people they don't even know all right well then i'll throw that out of the fucking shit i say when i'm still and i hate

this but i have to come back you're fucking kidding sorry what do we do about the border we were just talking about how easy these conversations are to have that like uh you and i first became friends when i would call and get my availabilities. That's when we really got to know each other was over the phone. Because I would call and I'd say, I'm in town Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. And he'd be like, hey man, did you see this documentary?

And then we would just start talking. We would talk for like fucking an hour and a half. Two hours. It was so cool, man. It was such a fun beginning of a friendship. You don't know the first time, you don't remember the first time I met you though, I don't think. When did I, when? so i was with cory como she was a talent

coordinator at the time and i'm sitting next to you and this is when i think you just started smoking weed like it was a relatively new thing and you were realizing how wonderful it was and so you were talking about how much you love weed. And I started doing the thing that you now know I do as like trying to be funny or fun. And I was about to be like, it causes brain damage. And Corey is like shoving me like, no, no, no, don't do that. Because you didn't know me. You would have just thought I was a fucking asshole. And so I stopped.

But I was like, you did give me like a sharp look for a second i'm like oh fuck and but that's when we first like that's when i was like we hung out for the very first time and then we started talking and uh dude i'll never forget this car ride driving back from the anaheim improv with you i think stoned as fuck And you put on Terrence McKenna. Some lecture that I still think about. And man, I felt like the universe was just melting down. And it was really like blowing my mind. I'd read Terrence McKenna, but I'd never listened to any of his lectures. And it was just like he was talking about the singularity.

And we were both like, God, fucking damn it, this is crazy. There was a series of audio. It might have been cassettes that you could get. It was on Amazon at one point in time, I think. Yeah. But it was all these Terrence McKenna lectures. And then there was a psychedelic salon where you can get all of them. Did you ever go to that podcast?

Yeah. Psychedelic salon has everything. Alan Watts, every Timothy Leary, every Terrence McKenna. Like so many hours and hours of McKenna. Amazing. Because he would give like kind of similar speeches, but it was all, he just kind of would go wherever it would take him. And he was so good at it because he was doing it constantly. So he would just show up to these places and it was really interesting because he was like, like Timothy Leary had it wrong.

Like what I like to do is keep things small and quiet. And so he would do like, you know, a couple hundred people here and there. Who cares? Nobody bothered him. Yeah. It never got too crazy. Yeah, man. What a man of all of the luminaries that we missed that I didn't get to talk to or hang out with.

That one. God, it would have been so cool. I've become friends with his brother. His brother's amazing. Dennis is really cool. He's amazing. And Dennis is the more skeptical scientist. Yeah.

He's a legitimate scientist, and he has some very, very unique, like, informed thoughts, particularly about the stoned ape theory. That's one of the more magical ones. Yeah. That's one of the more magical ones yeah that's that's one of the more magical theories because man if they're right that's crazy yeah yeah i mean you know because that's a nutty one dude that's a nutty one that that thing right that now that became literally is why we became human if that thing somehow or another became a schedule one

substance in this corrupt fucked up culture right you get locked in jail for the very thing that turned us into people right the very thing that the universe provided yeah to grow and evolve and it's your right as an evolved creature to rebel against that to the point where you can overthrow that because it's insane you've let tyrants take over the ability that people have to evolve that came straight from God. Yes. If that's what's really going on, that's the thing. That's like the push.

That's like the people in front of Congress saying that calling for death to the Jews doesn't constitute harassment unless it's actionable. It's a thing that makes you go, what the fuck are you talking about? Someone's got to say, no, not only can you not take it, we're going to put you in a cage. We're going to make it the most illegal thing.

How are you making the thing that made people? What data do you have that shows this is bad? Dude, you don't have any. How are you locking people up? That's crazy. This is why I don't have any how are you locking people up that's crazy this is why i don't think it's project blue beam because you could just tell people don't eat that thing that makes you remember your god and that you should love everyone around you and that you're part of a holy mystical extantiation of consciousness into time space because it's bad and we're all like

okay all right if you say not to, I guess we can't. But don't you think they don't know, which is part of the problem? Because if you really did know, if you'd really taken it, you would never want to stop people from taking it. So I don't think any of them have done it, which should be a prerequisite.

You know, like, Graham Hancock has said, I think he had a crazy number he said you should have no fewer than 20 ayahuasca or psilocybin experiences if you want to be president now that I agree with

and you should have like could you imagine if that was the thing that you had to put them through if that was the thing instead of these fucking goofy debates where they're all dunking on each other and you got lifts in your shoes son instead of that yeah if instead they all had to take psychedelics and we had to have access yeah to their psychedelic ceremonies so you can say did he do his five sessions yeah yeah let's see is his

five sessions documented let's make sure we can watch his five sessions. Let's say if he doesn't scream out wild shit, like while he's like, you know, what does he, you know, maybe his real intentions will be revealed. Dude, 100%. Maybe he can't handle, maybe he comes out of it a different person. He doesn't want to be president anymore. Really? Maybe he does the five sessions and be like, I'm changing the course of my life.

Like, what am I doing? Yeah. That sounds nuts. But if we were a healthy society, we would legitimately consider whether or not someone should have some very powerful documented psychedelic sessions that we know at a dose to be a transformative experience and have multiple ones of those documented if you want to run things dude and you should probably have to keep up with it too you probably have to do it every six months i think it should be that should definitely be on the on the agenda but let's start with just get them drunk i want to see what you're like when you're hammered you know you know a lot about

a person when you when you're around them when they're hammered some guys get super goofy when they get drunk yeah some stupid They say some stupid things. Yeah. Whatever you say, we won't hold it against you, but I want to see your energy shift when you're hammered. Right, right, right. What are you like? Are you a bully?

Are you a fun drunk? Fun drunk? I want my president to be a fun drunk. I don't want a fucking angry drunk president. Right. Then you move on up the list of drugs. What is their consciousness like in different psychedelic states? And then from that we can make a true judgment on whether they think they're present.

Also, they'll know more about themselves and why they wanted to do it in the first place if they still want to do it after it's over. Because a lot of people think they want to be president just because it's hard to do. There's a lot of things that are hard to do you shouldn't do. There's a lot of jobs that seem like they're good, but it's just hard to do. You don't want that. Dude, okay, so this connects to what we're talking about. I told you about this great documentary on Netflix

about this cult, Love one fascinating this cult leader essentially like my analysis of it is that the cult killed her she started off as a cult leader but then as things progressed what was her name I can't remember or mother God is what they called her here it is this is the lady yeah from mother God to mummified corpse inside the fringe spiritual sect love I can't remember. Or Mother God is what they called her. Here it is. This is the lady? Yeah. From Mother God to mummified corpse inside the fringe spiritual sect, love has won. Amy Carlson was supposed to be the incarnate of Marilyn Monroe, Joan of Arc, and Jesus Christ. Man, that's ambitious.

When she shed her earthly body for the latest time, authorities found her followers still worshiping it, shedding light on the group many have called a cult. It's a fucking cult. I can't believe they said it like that. That's a cult. Many have called. Jesus, Rolling Stone, what are you doing? Dude, that's such weird language. What does that even mean?

Well, the documentary is spectacular, but what's interesting about it is that, so this person is dying. She needs to go to the hospital. Sometimes she would come out of her cult leader, I am God mentality and say to people, I don't think this is real. I don't think I'm God. And they would say to her, Mother God, you're just in your lowers right now. You're not in your higher etheric body which is why you think you're not mother god you are mother god and in interviews one of them i think said if she'd asked to go to the hospital i don't think we would have taken her so this cult forms around

this woman and then the cult itself enables her alcoholism. She was a profound alcoholic. It keeps her on... She's drinking colloidal silver until she turned fucking blue. Oh my God. Turns blue. And the cult essentially devours her until they're worshipping her mummified body. I'm comparing this to the

presidency. How did they mummify her? Well, I don't know. They just let her sit in a sleeping bag. You can see the picture if you want to see the picture of it. Yeah, I want to see the picture. Okay, yeah, it's pretty wild. How rough is it? Not rough. I mean, the way whatever the eyes are that

they put there really do seem to be gazing into your soul. It's pretty intense. Put fake eyes in there? I'm not sure it was her eyes. Like, I read that they painted it. Dude, it is... You will love this documentary, by the way. I didn't get the exact photo yet, but this is where...

That's it. She's turning blue. Oh, wow. And that's from the colloidal silver? Yeah, Mother God. God, that's so weird. And what was she trying to recover from with this colloidal silver? Well, she had some kind of organ failure going on and like anorexia. Oh, no.

But she was drinking and she was getting hammered all the time. Organ failure, drinking and anorexia altogether. Yeah. And it's a fascinating story because she was a manager at McDonald's, took MDMA and boom, there you go. Oh, my God. God, her skin is blue as fuck yeah that's what it was like before she died yeah did you ever see that one dude that went on like Oprah or something like that yeah and was blue Papa Smurf guy yeah yeah same thing right same thing how many people have done that Google how many people have turned blue people turning blue using

colloidal silver. I also found, I don't know if I can get to this. There's another one of her? No, it's just part of the story, the headline on Variety. Mother God, Robin Williams in Alcohol as Medicine. Dead celebrities had something to do with this too. Robin Williams talked to her, like she had contact, she channeled Robin Williams. Oh, Jesus.

Dude, it is. I can't wait to watch it. I love a good cult documentary, dude. I didn't mean to derail our conversation about the president. What I mean is it's a similar thing. You start off wanting to be president and you become president. But then you're in this system that where you're trapped, like you've got to have security for the rest of your life. I think it's mandatory. Like, if you've been president, that means you are being constantly monitored for the rest of your life by the U.S. government.

So it's a every fucking day. The psychic hate of half the country, probably more than half of the world. It crushes you. It kills you. So it's a really dangerous, shitty, rotten job that you trapped yourself in. And then you don't want to leave because what are you going to do after you've experienced that level of power? How do you go back to a regular life? Well, you're never a regular person ever again.

I mean, who has vanished the best? I guess W. He's pretty much vanished. I mean, but look what he started doing. He started doing those paintings of people in the military in the war that he started. Yeah, weird paintings. I think Jimmy Carter did a pretty good vanishing act. Like, he just kind of dropped out. You didn't hear about him that much.

True. Obama, now he's like directing movies now and stuff. But W did two terms you know yeah right two terms eight years during the the height of the war on terror it was right after 9-11 that he got elected so he gets elected it's 2020 and then 2021 or 2001 rather we have 9-11 so it's like not that long after he was president and then all of a sudden

his approval rating goes up and everybody likes him more right and for eight years this guy was involved with Dick Cheney in this war

that now everybody thinks of as a fucking catastrophe yeah and he's just kind of melted away and he's just kind of melted away. And he's just painting somewhere now. Just where people with machine guns

like stand around and keep eye out for everything. Because for sure there's someone coming for you. Like for sure there's somebody out there who's like, I'm just going to kill him someday. I'm just going to get to him. That's how you have to wake up just knowing that's your life.

Fuck that job. Like Salman Rushdie when he got attacked on stage. That's like 20 years after the fought war. Some guy came on stage and stabbed him. If you're like Dick Cheney, you can't go anywhere without worrying someone's going to get you. I mean, they made a movie about you where fucking, what's his name, Batman. Christian Bale played you. Yeah.

I mean, what? Yeah, dude. And it's not favorable. It's not a favorable movie. Like, what did you guys do? I mean, this is. What did you do? This is why there's a whole strata of society that's designed for people like that that, you know, I'll never see.

It's some rarefied place with it's called bohemian grove you can go there by canoe did you watch that video no you told me some guy broke into it dude it is the most what's the video where do we get it google guy breaks into bohemian grove it's not alice jones and john ronson it's truly disappointing but and i think they they definitely get high there because i think he saw a sign in one of the cabins that said no marijuana is it this guy i didn't know that there's a few people that have done it this might be someone introducing it but the one i saw was just first person pov of the guy going through the bohemian

grove this isn't it no this isn't it. It's at night. It was on Instagram. They might have already zapped it. There it is. Which one? This one? Our guy sneaks into infamous Bohemian Grove. That could be it, but I guess a lot of people have done this.

This is something that- I posted two days ago. Yeah, this is it. That's it? He got in deep. I just posted 10 days ago. Oh, okay. This must be it.

Okay. So this is him. He's wearing a mask. And how's he sneaking in? Through the woods? I heard it was a kayak, but maybe not. This is scary. Well, how did he get in?

I'll back up. No idea. So I just shot my light in here. And all the lights just turned on. Whoa. Yo, I want to go to Bohemian Grove. Me too. We could go.

You could go in a second. I want to go. What do we have to do? Who do we have to pledge our allegiance to to watch the ritual i don't think that i think they just probably think you're funny and we'll let you in really yes look does this look sin of this none of this looks sinister to me looks a little sinister to me buddy looks like no one's there it's nice and mossy they don't have a ritual every day it's romantic look at that nice moss because that moss. Because that's the owl? That's the owl, but watch when he bangs on it and you realize it's fucking hollow.

Look, it's got all the moss and everything on it. It's beautiful. It looks cool. So when is he banging on it? Look, this is inside the fucking owl. Okay. Not a stone megalith like I thought. Well, it's got a little space in there.

But it seems like it's made out of cement, dude. Whatever, it's like got a little space in there. But it seems like it's made out of cement, dude. Whatever. It's hollow. Like an Easter egg. Or like one of those bunnies. When you get an Easter bunny and it's hollow, you get upset. Like a putt-putt golf course. Like a fucking thing at a putt-putt course.

No offense, Bohemian Grove members. I do want to come. I'll take your hollow out. But I'm sorry. This, to me, I think it, like, now, this is their, this is, I guess, their bathroom. It's all worn. That's Nixon shit there. It's all worn down.

It's like. Yeah, it's probably they kept it the same as it's always been. This is nice. I mean, if you got to imagine, if these guys were going there, when did they start going there? In the 60s? Yeah. When did they start going there? Logs.

That's the funny thing. Everything he sees is sinister to him. There he goes, back in his kayak. Oh, okay. So he did have a kayak. He's fucking out. It seems kind of crazy that they don't have any security there at all. Another sign that it's not as sinister as we thought.

Is he using a frying pan? This guy's a loon. This guy's a straight loon. He's using a frying pan! Maybe he felt like he would also act as a weapon to crack alligators over the head with if they were coming after him or something. There's no alligators in California, what am I saying?

I'm sure the security guard was just like, this happens every night, and this one he's like, I gotta take a shit. I'm not dealing with another... Another fucking loony. But the thing is, like, we know that world leaders at least used to meet there. I mean, the Nixon

audiotapes are hilarious. Ever hear Nixon talking about it? The faggiest thing I've ever seen! Yeah, Nixon dissed it! See, if Nixon, pull up the audio of Nixon talking about Bohemian Grove. Apparently, they did a lot of wild shit back then. I think they still probably do. I'm not saying they don't party there, but I just—

How many politicians are like that? How many politicians are like closet super perverts? In January 1970— I don't— You know? In another of the candid and sometimes coarse conversations released today, the president muses about anti-Semitism. He's talking to evangelist Billy Graham

and worries about reaction to the Washington visit of Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir because Israel has just shot down a Libyan passenger plane. Anti-Semitism is almost as scary about the bombing. No. We all know. I'm sorry. I don't know where in this video it is. Oh.

It's probably hard to find. It's probably a little clip. Yeah, you got to find the Bohemian Grove part. I thought it would just be the only thing on the video. Clearly it's not. This is apparently some other tape. Yeah, where are the weirdos? He's just talking about all kinds of shit.

From the lost Nixon tapes. Gays are born that way. Well, he was right. Congratulations. Yeah, I don't know. I swear. I mean, I know we've played this before. Yeah.

It's not coming up right away. Nixon, Bohemian Grove, huh? Nothing? Scroll down a little bit? Maybe. It starts to get muddier. Seems like you'd find it right away. Right.

I mean, it's pretty cool. Hmm. I mean. bit maybe it starts to get muddier seems like you'd find it right away right i mean i mean nixon on bohemian growth that's it let's see the same video yeah oh one minute no this is it this is the right one 1971 in washington dc president nixon took the time to have an 1971 Look at that guy They look like dudes from the 60s Yeah for isolating Nixon from anyone who wanted to see him. The only problem was, this little off-the-cuff conversation was being recorded by the secret White House taping system. President Nixon's thoughts

can love those of Haldeman and Ehrlichman when soon become a part of presidential history. Let us look at it. Let us look at it. You understand. Yep. You know what's happening. San Francisco is gone. tree. San Francisco's just gone down clear. It's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way.

The Bohemian Grove that I attend from time to time. Easterners that come there. There's the most fagging goddamn thing you could ever imagine. The San Francisco crowd lives there. It's just terrible. I don't want to shake hands with anybody from San Francisco. I messed up my grove. A different set of values.

Yeah. So they were all there hanging out together. Grove. A different set of values. Yeah. Reagan. So they were all there hanging out together. Yeah. He said, I go there from time to time. Yeah. I just don't think it's, I mean, look, I was hoping, I was so excited by that video. I'm grateful to whoever filmed it because I was like, oh shit, the owl up close.

Because Alex Jones only got the distant owl, which is still good footage. Right. But this is like close up of the owl. You miss the urn in front. They have a bowl in front of the owl. I mean, again, I can't believe I have an expectation for the bohemian growth, but I thought they would be doing better upkeep on their cabins. Well, maybe once they got found out, they don't go there anymore. Move to a different grove.

Yeah. I mean, why wouldn't they just abandon that fucking thing? If you're the Illuminati, the Illuminati's real, why would you stick with a place that's already been outed when you can get some dope spot in Wyoming or something? Exactly. Yeah, you just get some place where people have to helicopter in. Yeah. No one's going to hike in.

No one knows where the fuck it is. Everybody shut your mouth. Right. Yeah, I don't- It's Burning Man. Hey, maybe. shut your mouth right yeah i don't it's burning man hey maybe hey if i i'll tell you this if i would not doubt if there were an illuminati it would not surprise me at all to know some of them go to burning man i would imagine they would go just to keep their fucking finger on the pulse

yeah like what are you freaks up to dude they flew the one i went to they flew f what are they called f-22s they just there's a military base near there that wanted to fuck with Burning Man. And they flew over Burning Man a few times just to blow everyone's mind and freak everyone out. How fast were they going? Fast as fuck. It was crazy. How low were they? Low.

It was like, shoo, shoo. Really low? I mean, I was pretty high. I'm not really sure. But yeah, it was so funny looking around at the faces of all the burners after high-tech military aircraft just flew over. I think they just wanted to look at the festival, probably. No, they're fucking with those people. They're having fun.

I would do that if I was a fighter pilot. Definitely fly over a party, man. Why don't you have fun with those fucking dirty hippies? Clean your feet. They're not all hippies. Oh, no. There's a lot of different kinds of weirdos that go to those things. But it is interesting how significant it is a part of people's lives that they go to Burning Man.

It becomes a thing that they look forward to. It's their Olympics every year. It's one of the best things I ever experienced as far as festivals go. I mean changed my life for the better for sure it's incredible i mean it really you i know that you will never go but if you did go you you would get it and that's that's what i love it it's got a force field around it a cultural force field where people have an idea about what it is and you can't really have an idea about what it is because it's too big. Your idea about what it is is correct for a piece of the pie, but you really can't know all of what it is other than this incredible expression of art and an incredible temporary example of humans can do this too we don't have to blow shit up we can drive around in garish fancy art cars dressed like weirdos with like playing like awesome music and like just have fun together

like that is possible too and the fact that it's hard to get there and a difficult terrain definitely helps strain some people out. So the people who come there are really fascinating. I mean, I'm telling you, man, it's like the force field where people are like, that's where douchebags go. Or that's where annoying-ass fucking hippies go. Yes, you're correct. They're there. But that's not all that's there.

And so it's a mystical – I mean, I'm telling you, it's a mystical place. It's one of the most mystical things I ever encountered. Well, that's probably what's going to have to happen somewhere just like the United States of America. Like the United States of America is only three people old. You know? Like if you just stop and think about what these people decided to do to escape the confines of a society they found themselves trapped in and all the tyranny. They escaped and they came to a new land started new and there's a lot of you know not not a happy story in all in all forms no it's a lot of fucked up things went down but the idea that that can never happen again seems kind of silly like it's happened so many times right i mean it wouldn't

be an easy thing to do and people are definitely going to resist. That's the thing that you have to be like really aware of. If you try to start another country right now, the country you're from would come and fuck with you. They do not want you doing that. Like if we just like imagine, what if the climate change people are right and everybody looked at Greenland going, Greenland, pretty fucking cheap. Yeah. And we just went in and bought Greenland.

You know, like remember there was a joke that Trump was talking about buying Greenland? Yes. He promised that he wouldn't do this. He put a meme up. It was hilarious. Of a giant Trump tower. It says Trump on it because I promise I won't do this to Greenland. It was so funny.

Who the fuck is that much awareness as a president to do that? But if someone bought Greenland and if climate change does keep happening and like all of a sudden Greenland becomes nice. Yeah. Becomes a good spot. Temperate climate because of where it's at. It's like the rest of the world is a little too hot, but Greenland is perfect. And then the people that escape what's wrong with how the United States has been run, what's wrong with money in politics, what's wrong with money in the pharmaceutical industrial complex, being able

to advertise and control politicians, and all the shit that you saw over the last few years, and all the shit you see with war, all the shit you see right now, if someone started a new one. Yeah, good luck. Good luck. I mean, you need space colonization

for that to happen. You need some kind of... Or a disaster. Or a fucking disaster. Good luck. I mean, you need space colonization for that to happen. Like, you need some kind of... Or a disaster. Or a fucking disaster. Or a giant disaster. Like a big one. Yeah. Like a big, crazy asteroid impact type deal where everything's fucked.

Collective consciousness shift. I mean, I know that's, like, such new age bullshit to say, but, like, theoretically, like such new age bullshit to say but like theoretically if there was some shift in consciousness then maybe there would be uh you would really have to have like a complete shift in like value and then if that happened you could see some new way of running things well don't you think that shift is happening right in front of our eyes it's hard to see because we're looking at it through the lens of a person who exists day by day but if you just went back to when you and i when did we first meet dude 2012 no pre-2012 because we were talking about my apocalypse

when did you first start working on the store um late 90s oh yeah I've been there for a long time. Dude, I'm really bad with- 2012 was nuts. I've known you from the 90s. No, dude. I'm so bad with time. I think I met you in like 99 or something like that. 99, probably.

Something like that. 99, 2000. Back then, marijuana was illegal. And the only way to get a hold of it in California was you have to have a medical license. Right. So we used to get medical licenses to get it. And the idea of psychedelics at all being accepted in any positive way was alien. You never heard about PTSD being treated like MAPS.

They hadn't done their studies yet with MDMA. They hadn't done the psilocybin studies. You hadn't heard about Ibogaine for helping people get off opiates. Opiates weren't even a problem then, right? It wasn't – there was not a thing that people were talking about. To go from that to where we are now where there are states that have decriminalized it and then it was up for – there was a proposal for California. But Newsom rejected it because they didn't have like a protocol in place. So come back when you have like some sort of a, if you're going to use it for therapy, some sort of a therapeutic protocol, which, you know, probably makes sense.

Like not just decriminalizing it, but decriminalizing it and setting boundaries for use. Like this is how you should do it. Right. If you weigh 150 pounds, this is what you need. I guess it's not even weight dependent apparently. Apparently mushrooms are not weight dependent. No way. That's interesting.

I don't know how they know that though. Like how many studies have they done with dosing people that are 100 pounds up to 300 pounds? How many studies have they done of that? But the thing is they're doing those studies now. And you can get ketamine from a fucking licensed therapist now. Right. And people are traveling on a regular basis to go to South America to do ayahuasca. It's really common.

There's ayahuasca tourism. Everybody talks about doing it. Right. There's so many people that are microdosing. There's so many people in Silicon Valley that are microdosing and openly talking about it. It's a different world than it was just from the time you and I met. So it's happening right in front of us Right, it's just not moving at a pace that corresponds with our understanding of it

Right like we're saying like how can you say it's illegal like how are you making it a leak? It doesn't make any sense This is a thing that's made by people to control other people and in this one you're not helping anyone you're hurting people It's overall known that this is a fact right but it's taking time for that idea to be accepted people have to die generations have to pass new ideas have to be cemented in people's heads because they're so ideologically entrenched in what they initially believed right that's why it's so hard for vegans to go back to eating meat like they can't slow drip baby i mean look you know again it's like this is the other

thing is like if you you know judge a tree by its fruit i love what you're pointing out there if you look at the fact that this is happening the implication is there are people in positions of power recognizing that there's just no fucking way we're gonna legalize acid and mushrooms and mdma you fucking hippies we're not doing it overnight give us some time there's people who clearly recognize that and are slowly turning the dial and shifting into whatever the future of humanity looks like where we're not encumbered by draconian consciousness limitations. So yeah, the implications is people in positions of power who are 100% for humans having access to their birthright.

And that's exciting to think about. I wonder who those people are. No idea, but I'm glad they're out there. We're in such a weird time. Yeah, man. about I wonder who those people are no idea but I'm glad they're out there we're in such a weird time yeah man but it's all happening like right in front of us it's just all at once and so many things from so many and we have so much access to it and then we also have so many lies and it's all of it just slamming into each other left and right in front of us like little ideological car accidents. I know.

Just like the truth and fiction and narrative and bullshit and what you want to believe versus what's really true. Oh, yeah. I get grabbed all the time. And good guys and fucking bang, bang, bang, bang. And the way one group of people looks at one thing versus the way another group of people and they all both seem kind of like rational yeah how how are you guys so far apart in your ideas how is this how are we so divided about so many unimportant things yeah when the important things are not being resolved like none of the important like if you really wanted to control people you would

want to keep them doing what we're doing just constantly arguing about the dumbest shit the things that we can't and having very little understanding of what you're really fucking passionate about right and you're still yelling it out anyway. Yeah. I mean, yeah. You want to. And also you want to make them feel completely impotent and completely out of control and helpless. Yeah. And the only way you can do that is by again and again, make them think that they are a limited, temporary, that when it dies it's dead forever make them feel like this is all there is so you better fucking go for it and going for it means grinding and hurting other people to get your fucking whatever it is you're looking for because that's all you got anyway man yeah and you gotta go so if you keep the fixation on that paradigm then yeah, yeah, you can probably control a shit ton of people.

Well, that's what they liked about COVID. One of the things they liked about it was that they could control you. If they could get you to get vaccinated, if they can get you to do that, they could force you to do a thing. That's a level of control they've never had over adults before. It's a new thing. And if it's profitable and it's also this thing you're forcing people to do boy that gets sketchy boy that gets sketchy well yeah I mean but it's a there's so many other happened did you

ever see the video of someone bitching about seatbelt laws yes I love it it's from like the 1970s I'll never wear fucking seatbelt laws yes i love it it's from like the 1970s i'll never wear a fucking seatbelt basically communism can't have a beer after you get home from work yeah that's what the guy's talking about i feel like there's been endless iterations of this sort of flexing where you're like you can't do that anymore yeah well it's just the insurance that's the seatbelt thing it's just people were dying and it's like oh yeah much money and they made laws. It's not like they care about you. Our willingness to accept regulation.

Exactly. Our willingness to accept regulations. I'm trying to pull up this. I'm looking for this thing because it's wild hearing him say it. Yeah, here it is. When you hear Fauci actually say it, it's just like, wow. Why would you say that out loud? Like, you're, this is not, this is not what you should be saying.

Like, listen to this. Because this is what everybody suspected, that they thought this way talk about someone who faded out whatever happened to him he just disappeared he's in a coffin somewhere waiting for the he reveals what he really wanted out of all those covid mandates once people feel empowered and protected legally you were going to have schools universities and colleges are going to say you want to come to this college buddy you were going to have schools, universities, and colleges are going to say, you want to come to this college, buddy? You're going to get vaccinated.

It's been proven that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bull and they get vaccinated. Dude, if that was in a movie, it'd be cheesy. That's like they don't know the hot mic is on, the villain gets revealed. Yeah. What the fuck? I never saw that. Isn't that wild?

Isn't it just wild that he thinks that way? That's why they fucking turned his mic off, dude, because they're like, hey, what the fuck are you doing? We only say that in the Bohemian Grove. You can't say that out loud. All it has to do is read Robert Kennedy's book. Robert Kennedy's book is more terrifying. And I've always said if it's not true, why isn't he getting sued? Because if it is true, you should all be freaked out.

And I know millions of people have read that book now. But it's not reviewed. You don't hear it talked about. It's not like a thing the mainstream media brings up. Just the actual facts that he's laying out, just not even from COVID, from the AIDS epidemic. Just go back and listen. Just read that book or listen to the audio book. And just the stuff about AZT is wild.

And using the same language. He was using it. AZT is both safe and effective. Using that same language for something that fucking killed people quicker than anything. Dude, if only they had been—I feel like if they'd been honest when they came out with the vaccine and been like, it's— That's no way. There's a chance it's going to fuck you up. That's not what they do.

They never do that. But then if they'd done that, that's so— They can't start doing that, Duncan. They've never done that. Not only do they not do that, but they're allowed to run multiple studies. And if they can find one that they can rig in a way that some sort of a finagle shows some kind of positive benefit, that's the one they run with. And they can have eight studies that don't show it or eight studies that show it's bad. And they just push it away. And then on top of that, what gets even weirder is when someone goes to review these studies,

they don't get the actual data. They get the review of the data from the pharmaceutical drug companies. And then they get to review what their findings were. They don't get to review the actual data. The whole thing is nuts. You really think the COVID vaccine was bad for you? What? I'm just kidding.

I don't even think that. That's not even what I'm saying. What I'm saying is they have a standard way that they handle any kind of medication. Yeah, dude. That's how you make the most money. I mean, it's like, you know, that collision between profit and medicine, it's such a dark place. It's so dark when you're at the hospital and you realize they have a motive to keep you here. Like the doctors, they've done their oath.

They might not, but the hospital itself can implement certain rules and regulations that have a higher probability of keeping you in there longer so that it's more expensive and and that's where it gets fucking weird and when it comes to pharmaceutical companies or anything that's profiting off of sickness it's like you know it's like the i don't know if there's a what do you call the sugar industry? Big sugar? Big sugar. Big sugar. And the pharmaceutical companies, these are like happy bedfellows because one is poison,

the other fixes the damage from the poison. And so when suddenly there's a profit motive behind it, ooh, shit's going to get weird because the lobbyists for the pharmaceutical companies theoretically would not want regulation on weird dyes and shit that Big Sugar's putting in stuff because that is going to reduce the profit for whatever medication they use to treat the damage from the fucking dyes.

Isn't that nuts? Do they work together? Do they have meetings about this? How much have they thought it through? together? Do they have meetings about this? How much have they thought it through? You know, we're going to see a big dip in our insulin profits if they regulate how much sugar is in Oreos. Like there's going to be a direct hit on our fucking industry if that happens. Do you think they do it that far? I don't think so. I pray that they don't, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Boy, wouldn't you do it if you had an obligation to your shareholders? You're supposed to make the most amount of money possible. Isn't that part of your job? That's what you'd tell yourself, I guess. You would have to do it that way. You'd have to say, like, let these people eat their fucking sugar. I want to buy a

yacht. Yeah. Let them eat their goddamn sugar. You know, just say the cereal's fucking good for you. Cereal is good for you. It's fucking great for you. It's great for you. This is a healthy. Do you know one of the

biggest drugs, emerging drugs, like over the last few years has been blood thinners? No, I didn't know that. Yeah,

how much of an increase in the prescriptions for blood thinners have there been over the last few years? What is that? Someone was talking about it because of strokes.

Someone was talking about it. I need to find out if it's true, though. It's one of those things that I was watching this YouTube video where some doctor was discussing the uptick in blood thinners. They were also talking about heart medications and heart issues and the uptick in heart issues. So scary. It's a large uptick.

It's an uptick that if it was anything else, people would be really looking into it. If it was diet, if all of a sudden some new food was introduced into the food system that we never ate before, but then all of a sudden there was a corresponding big uptick in all-cause mortality, people would start thinking, like, I wonder if it's this new thing that just got introduced. Like, if it was anything else. Do you remember when – okay, so I don't know if you remember science class, but I remember one of the things that I thought was exciting

about science was, or maybe I just had a good teacher who was like, anyone can be a scientist. Like that's the whole beauty of the method. This is a way to interrogate reality to find out what the truth is.

And you don't have to wear a fucking lab coat. Anyone should and could use this method to differentiate superstition from reality cognitive bias from reality it's very exciting suddenly like oh yeah i don't have to be um isaac newton to be a scientist i can just use these methods in my own weird little experiments. And then something happened where suddenly the articulation of what you think is the truth, even if you're fucking wrong, became off limits. You couldn't say what you're talking about right now out loud. You weren't supposed to anymore. And people would even say, don't do your own research.

Don't investigate. Stop. You're not of the scientific class you don't even understand this shit stop it's misinformation when it's like fuck like instead of saying stop challenge it like my favorite it's funny reading the arguments between physicists i don't know if you ever seen that when they fight fit like when scientists get in big fucking fights. It's so funny. And that was part of this tradition of science is like scientists weren't all these placid,

like soft, sweet. They are when you deny them funding if they're not. Oh God, that's so dark. And that's what happens. Money takes over medicine. So fucked up. Money takes over politics. Money takes over medicine. So fucked up. Money takes over politics.

Money takes over military. Money takes over environment. Money takes over green energy. Duncan, it's all about green energy. It's all about the green deal. Our green deal is going to fix it all. And people are just raking in money on this green deal. This green Deal.

We've got partners in the Green Deal. Fuck yeah. We're going to stop this and we're going to form that. And we're going to have a coalition and no more gas cars. And then everybody's car has a limiter on it now. You can only go 65 miles an hour. That's it. Yeah. That's going to reduce deaths.

Don't you want to reduce deaths? And we want a kill switch. I mean, what if a bad guy's running away? We could just stop him. We'll shut the car off. And more police chases. Or what if you have a bad tweet? Stop your fucking car.

And we just decide to stop your car and don't even tell you why we stopped your car. Your car pulls over and says, fucking retweet it. It's not, or revise. I actually would like that for my unfunny tweets. Is there something you'd like to fix? Like it pulls over and the thing just says, is there something you'd like to fix? That tweet wasn't funny, Duncan, yet again. Is there something I should fix?

Perhaps one of your tweets. Oh, yeah, please delete the offending tweet. Okay. Continue. And then you can drive again. Yeah, man. That's not outside the realm of possibility. If some guy got arrested and went to jail for shit posting a meme

about Hillary Clinton about the voting thing. You know that one? Yeah, dude. Where the guy said you don't have to vote in person do 555. We found out that guy apparently, I believe this is true, he just posted it. The guy who got arrested. I don't think he created it. When I was digging through

that yesterday. He just posted a meme. He did post it, but I couldn't tell in the wording of it if he asked someone to make it for him and then he posted it. I couldn't. I believe he said that he didn't make it. I believe he said that in an interview. But what if he asked someone to make it for him? Right. That's possible, too.

Yeah. Or paid someone to make it for him. Right. Totally possible. Dude, that's. That would be different. You could say, I didn't make it. Yeah.

The fucking e-car thing, man. different you can say i didn't make it yeah the fucking e-car thing man that it's just like dude i don't want to have something monitoring me all the fucking time like an e-car or like you're saying i don't want the ability for someone to turn this shit off or i think they already have it in some cars i think they have it with uh on star i think that's one of the capabilities if that's true is on scar on star have the capability of shutting off a car. A gas car? It's a hot pursuit. Gas car?

Oh, fuck. I believe so. I believe so. I believe it's a computer program. Because it allows you to start your car. You can have, like a friend of mine locked his keys accidentally in his Suburban. He called OnStar. OnStar unlocked his car so he could go in and get his keys.

On their website, it's part of what they sell. Okay, what does it say? It's like if you're getting carjacked and kidnapped. Carjacked and kidnapped. When a woman's SUV is stolen with her mother and grandchildren inside, OnStar helps save the day. So OnStar shut the car off. So that's great if it does this,

if a woman got kidnapped with her cute little kid. I want to know if those are real people or if those are crisis actors. OnStar stops fleeing felon and stutter kid. So OnStar already has the ability to do that. So that kill switch that everybody's asking for already exists if you have some cars. Is it just a GM that has OnStar? Is OnStar only General Motors? Or is it just a car thing?

I feel like it's a General Motors thing. I think it's Cadillacs. Yeah, it's part of General Motors. Yeah. I wonder if they allow it in other cars, though. Is OnStar in other cars outside of General Motors cars? Or is it only... I mean, the good news is

no one will ever hack that and use it for other things. Never. Completely safe. That will never be used. Against what OnStar's using it for. It'll only stop kidnappers. It's available in... Oh, that's in China. Another brick in the wall.

Oh, no. Yeah, I remember being at a Pink Floyd laser light show when I was in high school. And it was the saddest thing, man, because another brick in the wall, we don't need no education, comes on at a laser light show, which is already depressing because it's definitely not Pink Floyd and it wasn't even that good a laser light show. And there's a security guard. He's probably in his 20s. It's a security guard. He's like, he's probably in his twenties. It's a shit job. He's got to be the security guard at the laser light show. And then like the crowd turns on him.

On the security guard? Just because he was in a security guard uniform and that song comes on and everyone starts raging against this guy. It was so weird. It's like, what are you going to start attacking this guy this guy he's like he's a problem with uniforms yeah dude uniforms allow you to assume a position of power over people but also you become the enemy like you're wearing the the uniform of the authority and you're just a person

most cops are just fucking people of all cops they're just people yeah just humans but you put them in a fucking outfit and you give them guns and like that's you want to talk about a responsibility it's difficult to handle oh god that one's crazy dude there's like some jobs in this world that i think about and they're like, mother fuck ER doctor. Oh my God. Fuck that trauma doctor. Fuck that police officer. It's like, God Christ in heaven. Every fucking night.

Every fucking night. You're just driving around. You're thinking about your fucking kids. Yep. And you get a weird call. And the next thing you know, there's some dude running at you with a chainsaw that you're begging to stop because you don't want to fucking kill him. Right.

Oh, what a horrible job. And the amount of money you should get paid for that versus what they make. Big gap. Big gap. Big gap. Yeah. And then you're getting PTSD. You're not sleeping at night.

For sure. I was watching a video today of a guy telling a guy not to reach for his gun. He's got some guy pulled over, and he's like, do not reach into your band. Don't reach for that gun. Don't reach for your fucking gun. And the guy's like standing there with his hands like this, and he just goes in. And boom, the guy's got to shoot him. And this dude just reaches for his gun.

And then there was another one where they didn't realize this guy had a gun. He shot one of the cops and the other cop unloaded on him. Like, fuck, man. Like every time they pull someone over. This is like some regular looking dude, too. He didn't even look like a criminal. He looked like a handsome young guy. And then he just had a gun. He didn't look like a homeless person.

Didn't look like an ex-con. He just looked like a regular guy. And they pull him over and they guy they it took him by surprise guy Just pulls a gun out start shooting like they never know when someone's a full-on psycho Yeah, you're pulling people over and you're a cop and the lights are on you got them in that pressure situation Maybe they have warrants. Maybe they did something horrible just now and you didn't even know you just pulled them over luckily Yeah, they're just shooting at you Jesus. And so they have that fear every fucking time they pull someone over yeah yeah and it's so funny dude i got into watching those sovereign citizen videos you ever watch those those people are hilarious and the cops like

that they're so sick of it and they like it's the funniest thing to watch them like deal with their like fifth sovereign citizen who's like it's so but it's on top of all that other shit you know possibly getting your shot or you're the person you're working with a good shot also on top of that you're having to deal with like that other just the the other element well also everybody's lying to you naturally everywhere you go you're running into people that have created problems and when you talk to them they're lying Like that's got to be like 90% or you have you ever had a drink sir? Have you are you drinking tonight, sir? You know like why is she unconscious like what happened here?

Why was what's this blood coming from like who who hit this person who you know what happened here? Yeah, all day all day day yeah every day every day everyone's lying and everyone looks at you like you're the professional enemy especially if you have to work in an area that's crime ridden dude there's a great app people can get man i can't remember the name of it but like when you get pulled over and you're about to get popped you just start the fucking app because it tells you what to do like so that you don't like you you don't have to like infuriate the fucking cop it's just exactly what you say which is basically like i'm gonna need a lawyer am i under arrest like all this stuff but not so you don't have to like remember all the

shit and uh so what because what that does is uh if you do get busted uh that if you do this just the right way then you have a higher chance of whatever the fuck you did being sort of dismissed, thrown out. Like I can't remember the name of the app. You took the right steps. You took the right steps. Cause it's good to know that incriminating.

Good to know those steps. Cause by the way, that's the other fucking thing. Like their job is not to like suddenly befriend you at 3am when they fucking pull you over. Their job is to fucking find out, did you commit a crime and if you fucking are so dumb that you admit to that

then that's kind of your fault I mean that's your fault so those like that app I wish I could remember the fucking name of it dude I have to pee a third time me too thank god I'm getting pulled over app there's a few of them I'm getting pulled over app let's wrap this few of them. I'm getting pulled over app.

Okay. Let's wrap this up. Duncan Trussell, your book one more time. Oh, the movie of me to the movie of we, it's an audio book, not available on audible.

Yeah. And it's only on audible. It's not really a book. Okay. But it's on audible. The movie of me to the movie. And then your podcast, the Duncan Trussell family hour. And I'm going to be the Denver comedy we. And then your podcast. The Duncan Trussell Family Hour.

And I'm going to be at the Denver Comedy Works in January. Please come. One of the greatest clubs ever. It used to be the greatest club before you fucked everything up with the mothership. But you can find all my dates

at DuncanTrussell.com. All right. I love you. Love you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, everybody. Bye.