The Joe Rogan Experience - #2088 - Yannis Pappas

Episode Date: January 19, 2024

Yannis Pappas is a standup-comic and host of the "Yannis Pappas Hour" podcast. Check out his special "Mom Love" on YouTube.  www.yannispappascomedy.com

The Joe Rogan Experience. I'm doing good, man. Just enjoying Austin. Are you enjoying the town of freedom? I'm enjoying the town of freedom. This is the town of freedom. Yes. There's freedom here. This is the wild west. Yes. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it.

I'm eating. I went to Suerte. Oh, that's a good spot. It was incredible. Yeah, that's a good spot. I think it's the best Mexican I ever had. It's very good. There's a lot of good Mexican out here.

Yeah. That's a good spot. That was good. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, hit the Terry B's on Martin Luther King Day, so it was empty. It was nice. Suerte, you have the added benefit of being around people with masks.

That's like East Austin. I haven't seen any masks. You haven't seen any? No. I think, well, I did in Vancouver. I was in Vancouver before this. There we are. They never stopped.

No, they're still going. Yeah. Yeah, It's wild. There's a San Francisco town hall meeting, and they passed a vote to stop for a ceasefire in Palestine. I saw it, yeah. And so they're all masked up, and they're dancing around, and they got blue hair. And somebody made a caption that this is literally South Park. This is literally an episode of South Park and it they look like fucking complete maniacs left in this worn torn Shattered hull of a city yeah, whatever is left. It's filled with human shit and tents everywhere They're dancing around that they've stopped the ceasefire in Palestine. Yeah, we voted for it.

Stop. Stop it. They solved it in Oakland. Like as if Benjamin Netanyahu is paying attention. Right. Like that's going to work. Oh, I guess I'll stop now. Yeah.

You stop traffic on the way to the airport in New York and that'll do it. Yeah, that does it. That generally does it. That's what Netanyahu was waiting for. He's like, all right, now I've seen the error in my ways now. Now I've got to pull back. Now I've got to pull back. I did go a little too far.

Let me back up. Yeah, let me back it up right now. Dude, they're stopping traffic. This is serious. I saw in Austin, I saw three people on the overpass just holding up a free Palestine thing. And I'm going like, all right, that did it. I bet those people have amazing, productive lives. And they're not crazy at all. not at all no yeah I got nothing they got they got

a full schedule of things to do and they took a lot of time out of their schedule to stand on top of the highway super healthy they're really into mindfulness they're they're on the ball every day they get everything done every one of them every one of them has an alert for what they have to do next on their very busy schedule. Free Palestine. I wasn't gonna. Those people just... But I saw your banner.

Yeah, until the banner came up. Yeah, those people are just perpetuating the situation over there. It's like the whole is it right or wrong thing, it's like it's obviously wrong. Humans have always been wrong when it comes to that. It's always been about power, who's got more power and who has less. It's very multi-layered. That's the thing about any international conflict. You can look at the mainstream media narrative. They did this,

then they did that. But then it's like Ukraine and Russia. You say, oh my God, Russia invaded Ukraine. This is horrible. And that's most people's natural reaction to it. And then when you go, wait a minute, was there a rule? Did they make an agreement to not push arms closer to Russia? Did they consistently violate that agreement? Were they trying to move Ukraine? I was reading about them trying to move Ukraine into NATO. Like, what?

What are you, a Putin supporter? Are you a putin supporter right putin supporter like no wait a minute isn't this a very multi-faceted super complex international conflict that really is about a lot of things it's it's not just about russia and ukraine it's about nato it's about nuclear arms being pushed closer to a superpower it's like yeah there's more to it there's more to it there's more to all of it and usually that's why war breaks out is because it's so it's so multi-layered and then it gets to that breaking point and it's just wild that they could still pull off war today war which essentially like hijacking resources or controlling parcels of land it's weird that

they could still talk people into that today because it's kind of an old hustle it's almost like old radio yeah it's such an old hustle that you can get people to believe these people hate you for your freedom or whatever it is and then you go over there let's fucking shuttle up and go kick their ass yeah it's kind of amazing given what we know about the true nature of conflicts and how so many things are manipulated behind the scenes to force people into actual physical conflict. And then there's generals that sit in air-conditioned offices and they move their pieces around the board like chess pieces. Human lives. Yeah, and they don't fight. They're never in the front. Never. I don't even

think Alexander the Great was in the front. I don't buy it. Well, he didn't live long. You know Alexander the Great? He's like 40. Yeah, didn't they die young back then? Oh, yeah. And he died of some sickness. He didn't die from a battle wound. I think probably all died of sickness. But can you survive if you're in the front back then oh yeah and he died of like some sickness he didn't die from like a battle wound i think probably all died of sickness can you but can you survive if you're in the front back then it's like a human meat factory no you're not gonna survive he was in the most likely you're

not gonna survive i feel like back then like sickness probably really kicked in when we started gathering together and throwing our shit out the window. Our actual shit. Like, human shit. Like, if you think about the cities of ancient times before there was plumbing. Do you know how horrific that must have been? History smelled, yeah. We don't remember. We were there. We assume every place is like Target.

We assume every place is like a fucking rest stop on the highway you can go in and take a shit no yeah no people were shitting out windows they were throwing their shit in buckets according to wikipedia he was a very productive uh 20 year old 20 something he was 20 when he took over as king whoa yeah he the world. He was in his early 20s. What a gangster. Look at this. By the age of 20, he succeeded his father, Philip II to the throne in 336 BC at the age

of 20 and spent most of his ruling years conducting a lengthy military campaign through Western Asia and Egypt. By the age of 30, he had created one of the largest empires in history. Holy shit. Stretching from Greece to northwestern India.

He was undefeated in battle and widely considered to be one of history's greatest and most successful military commanders. And wasn't he also gay? He was bi. Was he bi? That was the way back then, yeah. Is that what he was? Yeah. Student of Aristotle. And there was, we've read that question

wow about how those tutored by yeah those questions those relationships were uncomfortable those guys all fuck those kids they had eunuchs there's those yeah they had eunuchs and then they just had young boys yeah what did it say about the aristotle thing though can you go back to that quote where it was? I accidentally put something in it at the bottom of the page. What a huge page. That guy did a lot of shit.

It says by the age of 16, until the age of 16 rather, Alexander was two, by 16 he was too old. Aristotle's like, get out of here, you old fuck. Yeah.

Bring me a young boy. In 335 BC, shortly after his assumption of kingship over Macedon, he campaigned in the Balkans and reasserted control over the, how do you say that, Thrace? Thrace. Thrace. And parts of Illyria?

Illyria. Illyria. Illyria. You should be saying this. This is your native tongue. This is basically, I went to Greece this summer. How'd you like it? Amazing.

Yeah. Your people did some wild shit, dude. Yeah, we did. Your people did some wild shit. We did. When you're in a place where- Like Doug Stanhope said, I didn't? Amazing. Yeah. Your people did some wild shit, dude. Yeah, we did. Your people did some wild shit. We did. When you're in a place where- Like Doug Stanhope said, I didn't do anything. Right.

I was on the couch. Your people. I'm saying your people. Your team. Yeah. You know, if the Lakers win, you didn't throw a ball. My tribe. We won, you know?

Yeah. But the only thing we didn't do is create an empire because we were too busy infighting, which is typically Greek. Well, you know, you can't do everything. Can't do everything. Did a lot more than a lot of other cultures 2,500 years ago. Did a lot with mathematics, philosophy. Democracy.

Democracy. Yeah. We did a lot. Yeah, a lot with drugs, too. A lot with drugs, a lot with pedophilia. Have you ever read that book, The Immortality Key? No. It's about the Eleusinian mysteries it's this guy

brian murarrescu and brian's been a guest on the podcast before and he's a scholar who is like a straight-laced guy he's never doesn't do drugs nothing and he through all of his course of study they were trying to figure out like what they were doing in these illusinian mysteries like why were people going from all over the world to have these experiences and what were these experiences so they recently discovered that inside these pottery vessels that they used to contain wine and beer in they found ergot and ergot is a very potent psychedelic it's uh it's like a fungus it's i think it's akin to LSD. And so they're very, at the very least, we're taking that in this one spot. And what they believe is that all of these transcendent

experiences they had, the Eleusinian mysteries, they get together and figure out how to solve the world and let people vote and all that wacky,'s all i'm tripping balls this is my idea shit and it's literally the birthplace of democracy it's literally how the world changed for the better and your people were doing it 2,500 years ago and you can walk in the same spots where they walked you could see the buildings that they built it's weird it's weird when shit is that old yeah and you can just walk on it yeah like the parthenon you just walk around yeah and you can uh you can marvel at how uh durable what they built yes two thousand years is so long there'll be no yeah in two thousand years from now you're not

going to see any strip malls still standing they'll literally be dust. Yeah. They'll be dust. They built things really well back then. I think a hundred- Great effort, too. Yeah. To do that, like the kind of precision that's involved in the Parthenon, when you're walking around it and you see how all the stone is cut and how it lines up and how massive the columns are and how beautifully symmetric it is it's so smooth and clean and these people didn't have engines crazy there was no any chin this was all

done by hand yeah it was all think think think slavery think think think Oh craftsmanship yeah I mean you could you weren't just getting the crudest of people getting artisans yeah probably worked against your will. Yeah. To move those big rocks and stuff. Yeah. A hundred percent. Who the fuck knows how they did that?

What the hell were they doing back then? They did some wild shit back then. When we think about like human ingenuity, oh God, we're missing so much of like, they didn't leave like, here's a book on how we did it. This is where we got the rocks this is how we cut them you know this is the best way to move them we should move them this way they'll fall on you and you kill a few guys you know this is what we figured out over time yeah yeah it's crazy to think about and i agree with you i think it was drugs that

opened people's minds up to like think about yeah it gave them a completely different perspective like carl sagan once said that about marijuana i'm paraphrasing him but essentially he was saying that it offers you a perspective that's not available without the drug yeah that's why i think mushrooms are getting popular for depression right it sort of takes you off those grooves that are created by the neuro connections yeah just gives you a new perspective. I wonder how much, I mean, there's certainly different kinds of depression. There's depression that's clearly something wrong chemically with some people. But how much of it is just from not being healthy?

How much of not being healthy with your body and not being healthy with where your life is going? Like what kind of job you have, what you want to do with your life? That's got to be some of it. The friendships you have. All your friends suck. Yeah, that's got to be a big part of it. And I think trauma. I think childhood trauma.

I think childhood trauma kind of can make you depressed. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. For sure. Especially abuse. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. For sure. I think that... Especially abuse. Yeah. Abuse seems like the one that people have the hardest time shaking because it's not...

They weren't even... It wasn't even that they were ignored, that someone preyed on them. Yeah. And they have no self-worth. They're beaten. They have no self-worth. And they know that the younger the abuse or the neglect happened,

the more of an imprint it leaves because your brain is forming and it's fascinating stuff man but we have neuroplasticity and you can go to therapy and edmr is something i'm doing and it's incredible it's the only thing i've ever done that sort of works what is that edmr was invented by francine shapiro like in the 80s accidentally she's a psychologist and now it's become sort of the uh gold standard for trauma treatment and ptsd and like vet hospitals and stuff and what it is is it's um uh i uh, it's eye movement desensitization and reprocessing. So it involves moving your eyes in a very specific way while you process traumatic memories. Yeah. I'm doing it now.

It's crazy. Oh, my God. You're hacking your brain. You hack your brain and you get into your subconscious, like your REM sleep state. And then you reprocess the memories. And when you're there, you start having vivid memories. And then when you're done, memories start flying in out of nowhere. Whoa, how did you find out about this?

This is wild. It was interesting. I was in L.A., right? So I have early childhood trauma, and then I've had some traumatic things happen to me later in life. And then the panic attacks started after I got shot when I was in my early 20s. I didn't know what they were back then. I just didn't know what they were, so I'd just be having these panic attacks on the train,

just going like, what is happening to me? So I've been dealing with it for like 20 years, and it would go away for periods. I'd have great periods, and then it would come back. And after I had kids, I think i called you i did i spoke to you once and you were very helpful but after i had kids it sort of triggered um a lot of these feelings that would come up out of nowhere and sadness i'd be looking at my kids and i'd get sad i'd be playing with them i'd get sad and i didn't understand it and then i'd be in a hotel

room and on the road and I just start like panicking and I'm being like what is this and so I was talking to my friend uh Tracy Carnazzo um she's she's a comic in New York she's funny and she's one of these Italian girls who's just got a guy for everything she's just you ask her anything she's like I know somebody so she asked she was like how are you and I just answered honestly's like, I know somebody. So she asked, she was like, how are you? And I just answered honestly. I was like, ah, and I gave her like a paragraph. And she was like, it sounds like you didn't feel safe as a kid. She was like, let me get you in touch with this person who I'm friends with who does

EDMR. And then I got in touch with this therapist and she's incredible. And I started the EDMR journey. And it's been, it's the only thing i've done and edmr has a beginning middle and end it's not like you know it's not like ad infinitum it just goes on forever it's like you're there to reprocess this trauma and so do you do it at a specific place i do it i do a zoom i love to zoom you zoom yeah so you zoom with someone who guides you through it is that how it works, and you do it how often?

I'm doing it now twice a week, but you can do once and how long is each session our she'll go longer sometimes though Wow, yeah, so what did what do you do you feel like the? Chemicals moving around your brain while you're doing this. Yeah. Yeah you do and that's a big part of it is Identifying the UM the trauma in the body and how it affects the body. There's a book called The Body Keeps the Score by I think his name is Bessel. He's a psychiatrist and he's responsible for all these trauma centers all over the country. So this guy is doing it to this lady right now. He's going back and forth with his fingers and she's following his fingers.

And so she's supposed to be thinking about traumatic memories so then he'll bring up he'll take her back through the first the first phase is like identifying the trauma so it's a lot of talk therapy so you kind of you know talk a lot talk a lot talk a lot and then the therapist gets the idea of what you need to go back and reprocess. And new things will come up when you go back and then you'll reprocess it. It's not just hands. You can follow a ball. You can hold the buzzers in each hand. It's about stimulating both sides of your brain.

What's happening in mental health now is so fascinating because when you parallel it with what happened in medicine, we used to treat the symptom. So if someone had a fever, they treated the fever, but they didn't know what the cause was. So they put you in cold water or boiling water, whatever they did.

And then they found out about viruses and bacteria. So they started treating the cause. Now in mental health, you're, you're starting to see that revolution because of, um, you know, the advances in neuroscience where they can look at the brain and they can

actually see, you know, what parts are responsible for what, where trauma shows up in the brain. They just did a recent study, it was a big study about how trauma is, traumatic memories don't come back as memories, they come back, they light up in the part of your brain as if it's happening now, which makes sense. We knew that because when Vietnam vets start bugging out and they're in the supermarket

or whatever, but they can actually see it now in the brain that the brain is processing it as it's happening now. So, you know, converging neuroscience and psychology and all the things that they've known from all these different advances. And it seems to be in a place now where trauma is becoming one of the things that they focus on the most, like early childhood trauma or traumatic events in war. Obviously, we know that that's the specific cause of what is bothering those people, is what they've experienced and so now they're targeting the trauma but they have ways to treat the trauma with edmr with brain spotting

it's called um you know a whole bunch of these um tactics that's really fascinating yeah it's really fascinating when you think like i had this guy on the podcast yesterday, Joe Pfeiffer. He's a MMA fighter for the UFC. And he had a terrible childhood. Terrible, fucking horrible. Beatings, just constant beatings. It's just like heartbreaking to hear the story. But you've got to, it's just fascinating like as a human being, like whoever you are, were you listening to this right now?

You are the accumulation of your processing of every experience you've ever had. As much as we like to claim autonomy and we think on our own and we kind of do. And there's that like, again, there's definitely chemical problems. There's definitely people that just have a genetic defect, something just like some people have diseases of all sorts of other parts of their body. They get diseases of the brain. That's fucking for real. sorts of other parts of their body they get diseases in the brain that's fucking for real 100 but you're basically just an end product of experiences and your interpretation of those experiences and the legend the lessons and the the way you've contextualized all those experiences

and they're all in your head and that's your map of the world that's your map of the world so if you're in san francisco that yay we freed palace like their map of the world is fucked like their experiences like what what's got them to 2024 january 18th whatever it is is this result sucks like this result sucks like this is terrible like you guys are out of your fucking mind you're wasting your time you're there's needles on your street you guys are out of your fucking mind your waist your tie your there's needles on your street Guys are out of your fucking mind. What did you what do you do with this? This result sucks, but you those people are they could have been in fucking Wyoming Like hard-working ranchers the same human could have been like a salt of the earth Fucking Kevin Costner Yellowstone looking motherfucker. It could have been the same. It it's just your experiences yeah it's just what do you what shapes you

what directions do you go in what when do you get pushed down when do you get lifted up who gives you a hug who pushes you away yeah and how does this how does this play out yeah I don't think a lot of people know themselves because you got to do all this work to know yourself because your brain protects you in so many ways that you're unaware of like they to know yourself because your brain protects you in so many ways that you're unaware of. They know in neuroscience, your brain usually, when it's healthy, works in concert and sends information to different parts of your brain

to process it, but when you have trauma or a chemical problem or whatever it is, it doesn't work well. And in traumatic experiences, your neocortex shuts off and your limbic turns on and that's a there's a survival reason for that right so if you're in a moment of fight or flight you don't want to start reasoning you don't want to go like you start philosophizing you're just emotional you're dealing with your survival reptile brain and so it actually shuts off so people who have like panic and anxiety it's hard to reason your way out of it because that part of your brain is shut down now imagine you have panic and

anxiety already and you're already experiencing depression and then they prescribe to medication and one of the side effects of that medication is suicide. Suicidal ideation. Ideation, yeah. Yeah. That's, imagine being that person and forced with that choice. Like this may help you or you might just. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, medication, yeah, it just. That's a wild one, man. Yeah. Medication is. It can help you. It can help you.. Medication is— It can help you. It can help you. But you could also— It could hurt you.

You could go sliding down a hill, and there's no trees to grab. But every study they do, still till now, medication is not the end-all cure. Like, it just doesn't—it can numb it. It can help you. It's definitely good if you're in, like, a jam. Like, if you're really in a bad spot. But when you do the medication, that's when you got to start doing the work. You can't just do the medication as an end to fix it.

But the medication is interfering with the natural system. You know what? I think it's going to be in the future. Medication is going to be like for mental illness. It's going to be like leeches. Like, oh, they used to use leeches. They didn't know any better. Oh, they used to just like leeches like oh they used to use leeches they didn't know any better oh they should just put medicine into people they should give them chemicals oh they didn't fix the brain no they just did chemicals right why didn't they do the

rewiring all they hadn't figured it out yet yeah but that that the fucked up thing is that trauma that you experience as a child or those bad what well, the trauma's a very overused word because some people have experienced real trauma. So let me say this. The negative experiences that you've had, both as an adult and as a child, those also made you who you are if you're happy with the result. Like, if you're happy with how you're living,

you're happy with what you're doing, those things were important to go through, unfortunately. Well, it's nothing you could do about them. It happened. You gotta make the best out of them. A lot of people do make the best out of them and turn them into something. A lot of people do.

It is possible. And trauma's not necessarily the thing that happened to you, it's how you react to the thing that happened to you. And everyone's different. Everyone has a different level of sensitivity and circumstance and genetic code. So I can't really judge anyone's different. Everyone has a different level of sensitivity and circumstance and genetic code. Yeah. So I can't really judge anyone's trauma.

So you can never know how another person feels. Yeah. You just can't know. You just can't know. Unless you're on TikTok. Then you can know. But, yeah, I mean, if the human race has a chance, I think people need to start looking inward. Why am I really doing what I'm doing?

Who am I really? What is this really this really about also this is so temporary we're treating it like it's permanent it's so treating you're treating your your own life like it's permanent and it's so temporary i've noticed a lot of successful friends i have and a lot of successful people are so scared to just be happy because i think there's like this deep fear of losing it. Yeah, that's real. So it's like if I stay miserable, I don't got to focus on the fear of losing it. Yeah, that's real. Because we all lose it at the end. It's that and it's also you have a real fear of not being able to keep doing what you do. Like whatever it is that you've done that's successful, you just lose the magic. You lose the thing. What is it? Now I suck. You know, like whatever it is.

Now I'm not interested. Now I'm not interesting. Now I can't talk. Now I can't do this anymore. I can't do that anymore. Nobody likes my music. You know, my movies suck. Like, yeah, that fear, it's crippling.

It's crippling fear. It's such a crazy fear. Yeah, it's funny the way things are set up here. It's just funny. It's like, hey's funny the way things are set up here. It's just funny. It's like, hey, enjoy yourself. Accumulate all this stuff. But you have this knowledge because we have these big brains. You lose it all.

It's all going away. It's all gone. Sinatra said that about everything he has. They were giving him a hard time for giving away so much money and giving people things. Yeah. And he's like, this is not mine. I'm renting this

yeah and it's you know funny make comedy makes it everything okay yeah that's why i think makes it more fun it makes everything okay it just it conquers everything it just it means you're when you have a good sense of humor and when you're laughing in the right way not just cackling by yourself in a room but it just means you're mentally healthy. It's a sign of mental health and strength when you can laugh at horrible things. That's the way you conquer them. Yeah, it's also a sign that you're recognizing nuance and you're playing with it.

Yeah. Like, it doesn't mean that you really think that this tragedy is great. Right. You just find something horrible to say that's hilarious about the tragedy. And sometimes you can only do that with your friends. You can only do that at a deli.

You can only do that having dinner at 1 o'clock in the morning, just talking shit, making each other laugh. Yeah. But that's also a thing that I think we have really, that we're really lucky about. That's our big gift. Our big gift is each other. Like as comedians, you know, i spend time with a lot of different people

and a lot of you know different occupations and i always can't wait to get back to comedians i always can't wait to get back to the green room with the mothership can't can't wait to do sets on the road it's just the conversations are so much more fun they're so fun yeah you can say anything and and it's just fun. Everyone's just being funny and smiling and realizing, wow, we're so lucky. We used to be open mic night comedians. And now here we are about to go do a sold out show. We're having dinner together at a restaurant and laughing.

And then you go have fun. Yay. And then the people have fun. Yay. Yeah, yeah. It's beautiful. It's the ultimate connection. And the amount of love that you get back and forth,

like the amount of love a comic gets, the amount of love they give, the positive energy both for and back, that's like very few people get to experience that in life. Yeah. You know? And it's the only place that comedians can get it. It's from other comedians because we're jaded.

Yeah. It's harder for- Also, we can speak so freely yeah you know you can you can go there's this fucking bit it's just dead i it's got a thing and it goes somewhere and then it drops off and i don't know what the fuck to do with it i've been trying to monkey around with different ways to say it and switch and they're like hmm and then everybody will sit around and analyze it while like analyze each other's bits and like you know you don't have to say that part everybody already knows that if you cut that out shorter you're right why did i say that part and then you know everybody just starts tinkering with stuff and you can just like openly tinker yeah with like phrases and ideas and

setups yeah it's like a it's so much fun. It's like architects sitting with their Contractors figuring it out. Yeah, if you got a good relationship with the contractor Yeah, I would imagine the architects and the contractors squabble. They do I'm going through that right now Oh, yeah, putting an addition on our house and yeah, they squabble and I'm like, who do I trust the architect of the contract? It's a power struggle for Giannis Papas' love. You get in the middle. And it's funny because I don't know anything. So you just got, you're at the mercy. You're just so vulnerable.

Yeah. I don't know anything about what they're talking about. And I'm like just trying to look in their eyes and figure out which one's more honest. And I have no clue. It's just a guess. Yeah. That was someone who was telling me that about the World Trade Center. They were saying, you know, the World Trade Center was designed to be hit by a jet plane. And I don't know if they're right, but what they were saying is, do you know how much corruption there is in construction?

Yeah. And I was like, no, how much? They go, oh, say if it's supposed to get five bolts. If you only use four, do you know how much money you save over a whole building if you make the steel that thick instead of that thick do you know which money you save if it calls for like half inch this but you use quarter inch that you know how much money you save you got to pay off the inspectors and all that i guess i guess are they really inspecting everything uh yeah how does that work? Yeah, you cross your fingers.

I don't know if that's the case. But my point was always like, how the fuck do you know what's going to happen to a building until a plane slams into it and you get to watch? Right. Because there's never been a skyscraper that got hit by a plane before. Which makes it interesting. You can't say, this is not how it should have happened. Yeah. Like, we have zero idea

what it looks like other than 9-11 when jets slam into skyscrapers. A plane hit the Empire State Building. Big one. What was that? The 40... Was it a propeller plane? No, it was a big plane. Like a jet? Yeah. Really?

Yeah. How bad did it fuck it up? It slammed right into it. Didn't do shit to it? No. B-25 in 1945. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. So listen to his pictures, I guess.

Whoa. And the buildings fell not because of the plane hitting it. Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a big-ass old-school plane. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a propeller plane.

Wow. Where did it hit? Bang, right there. Wow. 79th floor. And it didn't take it out? No. They're built not to.

Is that commensurate, though? Like, how did it hit? Did it hit just the wing? Was the guy trying to pull out? No. But look at that. Definitely no jet fuel in there. What's that? Yeah, no jet fuel in there. What's that?

No jet fuel. Yeah. No jet fuel. Because the heat from the jet fuel is what took down the trade center, not the plane impact. So they say. So they say. So they say.

Yeah. But you know who they are, right? I mean, well, they did. I don't know who they are. I was hoping I could just sneak that in. I wanted to get into that real soon with some Mike. Alex will tell you. Who is that?

Depending on what you're talking about. Let's go to dinner with Alex. Let's go to dinner with Alex. He's been freaking me out lately. The 9-11, it's interesting to me. People ruin it by coming up with what they think happened instead of just stopping at, hey, it's fishy. It's a little weird just stopping there because you can't know what the actual conspiracy was, but there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense on 9-11.

Well, whenever you run into a situation where there's a gigantic worldwide disastrous event, like that's an event that the whole world knew about, but you lie about some aspects of it. Like that's that's an event that the whole world knew about but you lie about some aspects of it Like one of the things was what are the United States get caught lying about Saudi Arabia about their involvement? early on with with funding Yeah, they ignored it. I mean the bin laden family was flown out before weird stuff. Yeah weird stuff weird stuff Weird stuff like what if I wanted to do that? Would you be mad? Weird stuff. Weird stuff. Weird stuff.

It's like, what if I wanted to do that? Would you be mad? What if I had some fucking dudes from Afghanistan staying in my house, and right after some shit went down, I illegally flew them out of the country? Listen, it's cool. Yeah. It's cool. That sounds like what a criminal would do. That's right.

That's right. It just sounds like what a criminal would do. Yeah. Look, if I was running cocaine with the Colombians, and right before the FBI came, I fucking shot some planes illegally filled with coke back to Colombia. I'm like, listen, none of this time. Don't worry about it. It's okay. The sky's good.

But you're not allowed to fly right now. It's okay. It's okay. It's just. Yeah, it's criminal. It's just criminal enterprise. Yeah. It's okay.

It's okay. We're just going to fly. We're not going to tell you. Yeah. We're going to take the family of the dude who set this up, and we're going to just fly. We're going to get them all out. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up.

Hey, shouldn't we keep them here and investigate? It seems like there was some sort of a connection with Saudi Arabia. Shut the fuck up. What about Iraq? That weapon's a war. They're going to kill us all. We're going to all be dead unless we get in there right now. Let's go.

Yeah. It's sort of war. They're going to kill us all. We're going to all be dead unless we get in there right now. Let's go. Yeah. It's sort of like with the Epstein thing. It's like, isn't, I just call her Gasoline because I hate pronouncing her first name. Ghislaine. Ghislaine. Yeah. Why not? How come there's no, they're not interrogating her?

How come they're not? She's just sitting there and they're like leaking these slow leaks about. Well, it's even crazier than that. It's like, talk to her. They have her. Is nobody asking her any questions? Like, she knows even crazier than that. It's like, talk to her! They have her. Is nobody asking her any questions? Like, she knows everything. Torture her!

Torture her till she says everything. We can't ask her any questions. It's not proper. And how is she just sitting in her mansion like, while this was all going down, she's just sitting there. They can't find her. She hasn't been arrested. She was in a cabin in New Hampshire. Yeah, you can find Bin Laden, but you can't find Ghislaine Maxwell.

Well, they found her. Yeah, they found her after a while. Well, she's solo. You know, Bin Laden had a whole network of people protecting him. Yeah, I guess. Well, the craziest theory is that they didn't shoot Bin Laden. They shot Bin Laden's double. That's why they got rid of her.

Like, there's so many wacko, fucking flat-earth conspiracy theories out there about everything yeah, but some of them are not yeah Some of them are just because people have access to information now, and they go wait a second Cynically yeah, I think there's a lot of really dumb ones And there's a lot of ones that are like a little smarter than dumb And then there's a lot of ones that are really smart And there's a lot of ones like oh my god. And there's a lot of ones that are like, oh my God, if this is true, this changes everything. And they all lump them in together.

It's genius. It's genius. Because if you only look at the ones that are like, the Federal Reserve isn't federal? Wait, wait a minute. Where is it? What the fuck's going on? You know, when you just look at one or two of those,

it's so confounding that that's actually taking place right now. That you need a little flat earth thrown in there, a little fucking pizza gate, a little Hillary Clinton's laptop. They're eating babies. So you can sneak in Epstein's Island. That was a real place, man. That was a real place and the way a place like that can kind of flying under the radar as if there's a bunch of fake stuff so you go to Antarctica there's an alien base you know there's like the more nutty shit

they can get you to think about the more real things you should be really concerned about sneak through yeah do you think that's intentionally 100% 100 spiral with others both yeah both I think that's intentional you think 100 spiral with other stuff yeah both i think it's both probably it's both yeah but it's they're playing on the fact even if the government wasn't encouraging people to go insane they would still go insane they would still have conspiracy theories but without a doubt foreign governments are on tiktok and on instagram and on facebook and they are influencing people to go in a very specific direction. And how much of a percentage is it?

If their algorithm encourages, like, trans-positive content, how much does that move the public narrative? It's not zero. It's not zero. So if you've got two ships, and they're both going in the same direction, parallel lines, and I could turn this one ship just like that, just a little bit. I just need like a couple of degrees of turn.

Over time, that motherfucker is going to be way off course. Yeah. Way off course. Yeah. I think that's happening. Oh, that's- For fucking sure. That's the way war is waged now.

Yeah. It's also happening with people that think they're doing the right thing Like we were talking about Google the other day and like how YouTube censors things Like what they think they're doing it. They think they're doing the right thing. Right? I was reading did is this true that Gas digitals all their stuff got taken off the air. I think they got taken down again on YouTube I think yeah, I don't know if you mean like their website and everything. No the YouTube page. Yeah, they got taken off the air? I think they got taken down again on YouTube, I think, yeah. I don't know if you mean like their website and everything? No, their YouTube page. Yeah, they got taken down again, yeah.

There's one video where this comic that works with Lewis was saying that all they were doing in this podcast is talking about how big a guy's dick was. This guy had a giant hog. They were talking about this guy. And they got their shit removed for that. It's up now. It a different page so it's back the specials and stuff yeah so what were they saying oh is it maybe i'm looking at something maybe it was a clip of something that happened in the past yeah i don't know the specifics of it at all it was one of those um it was either an instagram reel or one of them youtube shorts, you know, one of those things like that.

Yeah. He was talking about how they took it down because he was talking about how big a dude's hog was. Yeah, that doesn't seem. Oh, it's bullying. Yeah. It is big dick. When you're looking at, you're talking about Jeffrey Epstein's island, a lot of people don't talk about his ranch in New Mexico. Yeah, and his mansion.

I mean, it was popping off at all his spots. I mean it was it was popping off at all his spots He built a twenty six thousand seven hundred square foot mansion with a sprawling courtyard in the living room roughly the size the American home Nearby was a private airstrip with a hanger and helipad the property also included a ranch office a firehouse and a seven bay Heated garage. Yeah, that sounds like an intelligence agent right out of a fucking movie. Yeah, and we're never going to- Luring all the politicians into the honeypot. Yeah. And how many people died because of that?

We're never going to know. They're never going to let us, we'll never know. What a fucking genius con. Yeah. What a genius con. You get some guy, you say he's a billionaire, you just give him like a fucking blank checkbook, which when you're spending $170 billion on Ukraine and $136 billion here and $46 billion there,

we're going to upgrade that and just let these people in and that costs $30 trillion. What's a billion? That's right. What's a billion to control literally the greatest scientists and entertainers and politicians and just get them all convinced yeah look bill's here look look who's here is it stephen hawking's here look this guy's here look it's a nobel laureate's here look at all these brilliant esteemed scientists look at these amazing conversations look how beautiful these women are so like everybody says that you know

if you went there you'd be a real piece of shit. If you're going to a place where, I mean, what is the actual list? Who's on the actual list? There's some pretty fascinating people. If you got invited to that party, you didn't know what the fuck was going on. Magician David Copperfield reappears. Jeffrey Epstein Court, poof, reappears. With lawyers suggesting he traded tickets for girls. Tickets for his shows? Is his show that hot? Jesus Christ. How cheap are these girls? Because how much do these tickets to his show cost?

I don't know. I don't know the magic hierarchy. Talk about overvaluing what you're worth. Yeah. If you give me a sex slave, I'll give you tickets to my show. I'll give you tickets to my magic show. Not even a Criss Angel show either. But what a brilliant move if you can, I mean, here's, okay,

question number one, were they all underage? Were some of them of age? Like, do we know how that worked? Because even if they weren't under, underage is the of them of age like do we know how that worked because even if they weren't under underage is the best if you want to get some blackmail that's the best but you still bust quite a few guys with of age oh yeah especially if you're giving them a little yay yo yeah we're on an island there's no rules yeah yeah we're the elite we We're the fucking Illuminati, boo. I am. Yeah, just cheating on your wife is enough.

Enough. That's enough. It's just we're publicly having it so that they can, like, trot it out there. Anytime there's an election, anytime there's this or there's a vote they want you to vote in one way or another way, they always have that. Always have that. Just a little reminder out there. You just keep that fucking thing in the back of your head like, I got to shut the fuck up and toe the line. I got to shut the fuck up and toe the line.

There's no better way to control someone. No better way. And it's so brilliant and ancient. It's like an ancient strategy. And it was, first of all, is there another one going on right now that we don't know about? Of course. Like that, at that level? Of course.

It seems like that guy was like- So effective. Why would you stop? Like you, yeah. I think you need a combination of things to do it at that guy's level. By all accounts, he was a brilliant guy, which is wild, right? And you have to be also a sick fuck, which he obviously was was and also an intelligence agent so do you just become

that sick fuck over the course of like you know you hear about DEA agents they start dealing drugs once they get in there they're like they're like

undercover and then they fucking live the life and they start actually dealing drugs it happens yeah do you think like

maybe the guy just became a fucking sociopath psychopath so fascinating from just dealing with the life that he was that's his job his job is to trick politicians into fucking underage girls and get them coked up and bring them into this place it's cameras everywhere these fucking idiots don't know that there's gonna be cameras everywhere and you and you set this up and this is what you do for a living for 30 years or however long you did it it's fascinating to think about i think two things i think everyone wants to be someone right everyone wants to be someone have an exciting life and then i think people have a myriad of uh they have a you know just your moral compass from your family, whatever's on a scale.

So that's a factor. And then, but the more important factor is everyone has those moments in their life where things are offered to them. You know, and you know, you go this way, you're going to get some exciting stuff, but you're going to have to compromise your moral compass. And people make the, you and people make that decision. Fame and power, it's like the ultimate elixir. It's also the people that you're around. Because we were talking about we love being around comics. It's fun.

It's our lifestyle. It's how we like to talk. They like being around other sociopaths. They like being around other people that are taking over businesses hostile takeovers they they like to be around the guys who influence foreign governments the guys who fly over in private jets and sit with their legs crossed with the italian shoes on you know and they have conversations about clean energy and. And what they really want to do is control all the fucking food, control the farmlands.

We have to reduce the methane from these cows, and the best way to do it is just take the cows away from the farmers if we just control the cows. If we have a climate change mandate and we control the farms, I mean, it's basically game over. They're literally doing that. All bad guys have a British accent. There's no reason why you would say we shouldn't have cows

unless you're a fucking complete sociopath. You're not going after the coal plants first. No, you want people to get rid of cows? Are you sure this is a good strategy? Do you understand starvation? Do you understand how that works? You're not going to grow cows, are you sure this is a good strategy? Do you understand starvation? Do you understand how that works? You're not going to grow cows, are you? No, you need someone to grow cows.

And you're going to take their cows away? The fuck out of here. Yeah, why would they want to get rid of cows? Because they want you to be completely dependent on them. The more you're dependent on them, and the more they can tell you what's good and what's bad and what you shouldn't be doing and yannis we looked at your carbon footprint your carbon footprint is very problematic it seems like in your job of stand-up comedy you travel more than

the average person and you contribute more co2 and they show you like a video of all and we're gonna have to get you to stop it's like for the greater good for the greater good it has some benefits social credit scores have a benefit things are cleaner they run a little more orderly sure you have to listen or you can't eat it's horrible it's a nightmare but you know there is some it's things do run better well it runs better for the government yeah you have less dissent because you kill people yeah i mean china's doing a great job of showing There is some, things do run better. Well, it runs better for the government. Yeah, you have less dissent because you kill people. Yeah.

I mean, China's doing a great job of showing how you can run it. You can run it. Yeah, they're just doing it. It's a nice tight ship over there. Nobody's jaywalking. Yeah. That's how you make an iPhone. That's how you make an iPhone over there.

You get people to follow rules. Yeah. And they, you know. If that comes over here, that's the end of creativity. That's the's the end of everything because you're just gonna have to shut the fuck up and you're gonna have to toe the line and we all already know that the line is nonsense we know that the line is not really intelligent people that are assessing objectively what's going on in the world and giving you a reasonable version of the events we know that's not really what we're seeing in the media. Right.

We're seeing people that are deeply influenced by advertising budgets, by what kind of companies advertise on their shows, by the investors who own stock in the company. There's narratives, and they're not necessarily even remotely honest right like sometimes they're off the charts fake right right they get and they get printed in like major newspapers like some of the propaganda that in the beginning of the israeli uh hamas war was uh that these israelis bombed a hospital and 500 people were killed it was printed in the beginning of the Israeli Hamas war was that the Israelis bombed a hospital and 500 people were killed.

It was printed in the New York Times. I remember that, yeah. They didn't hit the hospital. They hit the parking lot next to the hospital. I think a lot of that is the rush, too, to get to the story first, because there's so much competition. Everyone's just putting things out.

Nobody cares about the retraction anyway. Well, also, that's a juicy story. If Israel really did bomb a hospital, oh, my God, this is genocide If Israel really did bomb a hospital, oh my God, this is genocide. It really helps that narrative. Yeah. I was watching this documentary last night and the media did that to this couple

because the movie Gone Girl was out at the time. So they just started calling her Gone Girl and she made up this whole story of being kidnapped. She did get kidnapped. She did get raped. But the media was just making fun of her, calling her Gone Girl because it's a juicier story They just ran with it the police department too was all convinced that she was a gone girl people just

marketing and and advertising and Subterfuge it works. It just works. That's why advertisers spend billions of dollars on it Yes, Nancy Pelosi talking about it openly Openly. Talk about the wrap-up smear? No. You know, Nancy's been in politics for a long time. She's been a long time. And she's a genius with her money. She's very good.

She beats the market a lot. It's amazing that someone who's never made more than $170,000 a year is worth $150 million. Yeah. And she does better investing in the stock market than Warren Buffett or George Soros. Yeah, she's always beating the market. So I don't know what happened.

Maybe she had a senior moment and she just started explaining how you lie. I mean, this can't be AI, is it? I think it's real because it's from a couple of years ago. It's called the wrap-up smear. Yeah, there's an AP assessment that says it's been taken out of context. I was trying to get to what the context was. What context could it be? She's describing a wrap-up smear.

Assessment says she was describing a tactic she used or she accused Republicans of against Democrats. In other portions of her response not shown in the clip, Pelosi makes it clear she is not talking about her own party. Oh, I don't necessarily think she's talking about anyone in particular. What I'm saying is that what she revealed is that it's a play. You know, like if you're a football player and they call a play, you know that play. You know, like her callback in stand-up comedy.

This is what she's doing. She's talking business. She's talking business. I'm not saying she's even accusing anybody of this. The claim was that it accusing anybody the claim was that it was the claim was saying that it's how the democrats get the media to legitimize lies okay but what it was fascinating to me about it was just this open admittance that it's all bullshit just just saying like not decrying this thing and saying it's it's a genuine problem with

communication that we have deception and it's tolerated and that it's a genuine problem with communication, that we have deception and it's tolerated and that it's not punished and that like willful deception like this. And there's a thing called a wrap up smear and this is a horrible thing that they do. Wasn't that it was like, this is how it's done. Watch it. Go play from the beginning video. I think. You smear somebody with falsehoods and all the rest, and then you merchandise it. And then you write it, and they'll say, see, it's reported in the press that this, this,

this and this. So they have that validation. What's going on? The news person is about to start talking. That's why I was trying to cut it off. This is where I was trying to not get too confused on what. Okay, so they were connecting it to the assault allegations against Brett Kavanaugh. They tried to keep him out of the Supreme Court, right?

Is that what the Fox News story was trying to do? Five years ago when this was posted. Yeah. But what I was getting at was just that she's describing a tactic. This is what we do. You know, we fake and then Johnny

comes into the right. I pass off the football to him. He sneaks around behind me. We run through the fucking line. Let's go. Yeah.

She's talking business. Yeah. Even if she's not saying that the Democrats do it, this is how we do it. She's talking business. Yes. Yes. And that's how it works. And you're not, she's not horr that the Democrats do it, this is how we do it. She's talking business. Yes. Yes.

And that's how it works. And you're not horrified. Imagine if you were in that same position and you had been given information for whatever reason. The current administration thinks Giannis Papas, let's have a very smart, funny guy. And he's going to be the guy that kind of explains what's going on. And you have to explain what a wrap up smear is. what's going on. And you have to explain what a wrap-up smear is. Would you not feel like morally obligated to say something about how atrocious activity like this is when it comes to critical

decisions that people are making? People that are probably not that informed, people that are going through their day busy, they have jobs, they have bills, bills they have stress they have all kinds of stuff going on they don't have enough time to pay attention to what's going on with that supreme court guy so if you're like openly discussing strategies where you would deceive people in order to get a narrative passed that's clearly untrue because you don't want that guy in office politically. And that's not horrific to people. That is anti-American. It really is. And you can think you're doing it because you're a good American, but that's how communism gets started.

That's how dictators take over. They come up with justification for why they can bend the rules. The rules are the fucking rules Yeah, once you once you compromise the rules that you gotta let people vote Yeah, you gotta let people you there should be and I think There's got to be a good news. What is that 1440 news? Is that what it's called? There's some news site that is There's a company. I think that's the name of it. I signed up for it.

I don't even remember what it is. They're trying to just give you facts with no narrative. Like, here's the events of the day. Ground news? I love ground news. I don't know what the sources are, like if they're on the ground. But what they're doing is they're trying to do it without a left wing or a right wing spin. Well, ground news tells you it rates-

That's it, 1440? I don't know. Is it? Yeah, that's it. Do you have to sign up for it? I don't even know. I can't tell if this is just a sub stack or- 100 plus sources so you don't have to.

Culture, science, sports, politics, business, and more all in a five minute read. People are- If you're a Fox News fucking zombie, you're a Fox News zombie. You're not checking what MSNBC has to say. What's that Rachel Maddow lady, what's her take on this? Is there some fucking, is there room in the middle here? No, you don't want to live in that reality. You live in the Fox reality.

You don't have any time. No one has any fucking time, Giannis. They don't have time to be sorting this out. So if you're fucking lying and you're doing it because you think it's a good strategy to get your politician in place, that's dirty. That's anti-American. Yeah, it is. But I'm sure it's the way it's worked from the beginning. Think about what they took Nixonixon out for just spying just a little spying just a little spying not that big a deal yeah

and they don't want to do anything about the epstein client list and they don't want to do anything about whatever the fuck Hunter Biden was doing with Russia and Ukraine and China. What were you doing, bro? They're selective about what they could do. What were you doing over there? Hey Joe, why does everybody have millions of dollars? Where'd all that come from? Why are you on the board of a major energy company and you're a crackhead? Is it to curry favor with the vice president? Why did Joe Biden get a million dollar a year job teaching at UPenn that was funded by a Chinese grant? Or I shouldn't say it's funded by a Chinese grant. It happened right after China gave him a bunch of money.

This fucking dude doesn't even have to show there. They just tell everybody he's teaching there. Yeah. And he also plagiarized, got caught, and there's no consequences. Dude, we had Joe Biden night at Stitch's Comedy Club in Boston. In 1988, when he was running for president, he got busted, I think it was Robert Kennedy's speech and someone else's speech.

He used like big chunks of people's stuff and he got busted pre-internet. And it was so egregious and so bad that we did Joe Biden night at the Stitch's Comedy Club. Like you would go up and do my act and I would go up and do your act. We would just go up and do acts of our friends. Fitzsimmons and I used to go and watch it. It was hilarious. Yeah. There's no consequences.

There's no consequences. No consequences. It's not just no consequences, but there's so many videos of him. People keep wanting to talk about Trump lying and Trump know Trump being a bully And it's like I'm not saying he's not I'm not saying he's not a crazy individual a bombastic individual But why are you ignoring? The other guys lies right because if you care about truth, we should be going shit look at this mess That's what we should be doing. It's the same reason why those people won't say that Trump did anything good

He did do some good things when he was in office That's what we should be doing. It's the same reason why those people won't say that Trump did anything good. He did do some good things when he was in office. He was right about some things. And he did do some things that were effective. But they'll never admit it because it's all team ball. The guy who was the head of Google, how do you say his name? Chamath. I don't want to fuck his name up.

Brilliant guy. But his take on it was Trump was the wrong guy with the right strategies. Wrong guy with the right message. Wrong guy socially, politically, lightning rod for the wrong kind of people. The right guy in terms of it seems like those policies were more effective. There's just so many things that are fucking weird right now. That's a good point. Yeah.

That is a good point. Yeah. Well, he good point. Yeah. That is a good point, yeah. Well, he's brilliant. He's a brilliant guy. And you have to be brilliant to be someone who was at Google, which is an incredibly left-wing organization. Like, heavy, like, most super genius tech people are very, like, left-wing. And then to look at that in a nuanced way and to be able to step outside of the ideology and say that because that's the truth That is the truth. Yeah I'm sorry Facebook

And that again same kind of thing Yeah, super genius tech guy and but the way he describes if you can find him saying it because the way he describes it You like thank God he's saying that and not a moron you know because what he's describing is the actual points and he's making very good points about it yeah it's like well i mean we're less dependent on foreign oil i mean he was right about the border look at the border now the border now seems to be on purpose it seems to be on purpose it seems to be like there's some sort of a strategy to either flood the country. Tim Dillon thinks it's cheap labor for construction.

He's like. That's got to be true. It's got to be a factor. It's got to be a factor. Cheap labor is probably a factor. And then another factor is this push to have them be able to vote. You know, it's a weird one. Like they're doing that in New York City. They're pushing to give illegals be able to vote. You know, it's a weird one. Like, they're doing that in New York City.

They're pushing to give illegals the right to vote. But then the wildest thing that Texas is doing is shipping all the people that show up because these states want sanctuary cities. Like, yeah, because you're not on the border. Okay, we'll just ship them to you. So Texas is just shipping busloads of illegal immigrants to new york like

this is your mess it's the perfect example of the difference between theory and reality it's like everyone up there is in theory i'll love everybody everyone's great there's no such thing as an illegal and then when it becomes your problem and that's why texas is doing it they're going okay now you're going to deal with what we're dealing with so you're going to feel what it's like and now you guys got to pay for it you and you have to figure out what to do. Change your policies. Yeah, so it has – there's a lot of people in the left and the center that are going just like, make it go away. They're just going, I don't know, just throw them in the water.

Just make it go away, but don't tell anyone I told you. Is this it? Yeah, that's it. Are we talking about Trump derangement syndrome? Yeah. Okay. I want to take two minutes. Let me restart.

Talk about Trump derangement syndrome. Yeah. OK. Hillary Clinton, I voted for Joe Biden, but this is the honest assessment the guy did for the things that he was supposed to do a good job and for where every other president found a way to, frankly, make our situation a little bit worse, specifically around wars, he did not do that. And that is a huge accomplishment that I think needs to be acknowledged. As a Democrat who has been left homeless, who is now definitely in the center, but probably leaning increasingly right, I'm left yet again with an appreciation, despite the messenger of the message of the Trump administration, because what those guys did was pretty incredible in hindsight. These Abraham Accords, the accords with Israel and the GCC, the almost accord between Israel and Saudi, to really be able to find a long-lasting peace is just a real example for the world and those guys did a lot of really good work and it's it's a miracle actually when you when you look at

it what they did you know despite the fact listen i'm no fan of trump and i am too homeless but this is where can i say this if you want to objectively look at what they did, it was good work. It was great work. You have to. And in fact, this is a moment where you have to start to re-underwrite, like, is one's Trump derangement syndrome causing more damage than anything that Trump could have actually done? And I think the answer is yes, because it's now causing us to not see that good work and then embrace and extend it. So much of the work that happened in that administration turns out to have been right. And that's what's so frustrating for me. The work on the border wall.

We didn't like the messenger, so we killed the message. Turned out it was right. Issuing long-term debt to refinance when rates were at zero. We didn't like the messenger, so we killed the message. Turned out it was right. Issuing long-term debt to refinance when rates were at zero, we didn't like the messenger, so we killed the message. A structural peace in the Middle East, we didn't like the messenger,

so we killed the message. When are we going to stop shooting ourselves in the foot? And when are we going to actually see and take the time to look past who was saying things and actually listen to them word for word. Boom.

So good. Well, that's why he's going to win this election if they let him run. He's going to win. Well, I think the abortion thing really shot the Republicans in the foot. I think a lot of women are not happy about that, whether they publicly say it or not. I think it's a gamble. It's like what percentage of people are pro

and what percentage of people are against and how many of the people that are actually going to vote, the real hardcore, red till I'm dead, how many of those people are pro-life? Probably a good number. And the other ones are not going to vote Democrat just for that issue. I believe with Trump with everything, except killing babies, I'm not going to vote for him on that. I just think you should be able to do that. Very few people are going to do that, unless you currently need one right now. And that might sway your judgment. But very few people, if most of the chips are stacked in this one direction, but there's just one.

Yeah. The thing is, the thing about it is the control thing. The thing about it that is kind of crazy is being able to tell someone what they can and can't do. And to say there's no debate. Right. Well, it's clearly a debate because people have been having abortions all over the place and we're not putting them in jail. Right. So there's clearly a debate as to what that is.

Yeah. And it's also that it's one of those things where it's like you're morally against it. So then if you're morally against it, then you don't do it and be morally against it. But it's one of those things that's going to happen. It's like being morally against something doesn't change anything in the real world.

Say like with Israel and Palestine, like I'm morally against it. It's like, okay, what's that going to do? It's not going to stop people from dying. To an extent. Because once the baby's born, then we all agree you can't kill it. Right. So there's a number.

But most of the world does like what? First term, after first term is not good. Yeah, I think. There's got to be a compromise. It's interesting because people are talking about it. Because abortions aren't good. Even if you're on the left, abortions, you can't say abortions are good. When the people that want them are, you know, like, you see the video of that trans guy,

a trans woman, rather, who said he wants to be the first person to get a transplanted uterus, get pregnant, and have an abortion. It's got to be a joke. You can't add comedy to comedy. It's probably a dude. Yeah. It's probably just a regular dude, just thought it would be funny, start a TikTok page, say the wildest shit, we're coming for your kids. I always think just a regular dude. Just thought it would be funny. Start a TikTok page. Say the wildest shit.

We're coming for your kids. I always think that about the guy with the stubble and the lipstick. I'm like, that's probably not even real. This one. But because they want to get an abortion. Trans woman to have a successful uterus transplant. Ovaries and eggs included. And I want to be the first trans woman to have an abortion

if this is true it's comedy if it's not it's also comedy it's china's victory cry yeah yeah we got them that's what i think i think china tick-tocked us into a fucking coma they certainly have yeah i think i think we did it to ourselves partially but i also think for sure just like i said like it has an effect on narratives about which way people believe what they agree with and don't agree with whatever they can show you on that algorithm that shapes things in a certain direction well i think they they saw what our culture is about what our weakness was and they use it against us you You know, fame, what we worship, Tom Cruise, fame. And then once they democratized fame, they were like, oh, let's use this. Let's promote, let's make stupid people famous. Let's make simple things famous. Let's push these in the algorithm so people see it because then americans will go oh i can get famous too and then everyone started becoming their own madison avenue agency marketing wacky zany

versions of themselves if you know actors and you know actors and i know actors not all of them but there's a percentage of them that aren't even people no they, they're like vessels. They're vessels of their fucking mind. And if you can convince that guy that wearing a dress to the Golden Globes is going to get him more attention, he's going to do it. Oh, yeah. He's going to do it. Yeah. He's going to wear high heels, and you're going to tell him he looks fabulous, and this

guy is straight as an arrow, and it doesn't matter. He's just gaming the system. Yeah. The people who are really into fame you can really convince them to do anything yeah because they want the fame they want the attention they want it bad they want it so bad that's the question they want it so bad that's the first s with being huge yeah and I you know I've met people like that they're just they're obsessed with it that's what they want

it's it's just what they want that's how they're built it's what they're into and the producer puts his hand on your leg and grabs your hog yeah oh I put I want them movie and you do it important and you do it and you do it so important it grabs you by hand takes you into the room how bad do you want to be Iron Man yeah how bad how bad how bad do you want to be Iron Man? Yeah. How bad? How bad? How bad do you want to be Peter Parker? Yeah. It's so crazy. That's probably what tips the scales,

whoever's willing to do that the most. Well, Quentin Tarantino was telling us about this old director that literally had a bedroom built into his office where he would bed the starlets. So he had his office, they'd go into his office, and there was a bed in a room. And he would take them in there and bang them, all of them. You want to be in the movie? You've got to fuck the producer.

You've got to fuck the producer, yeah. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. Especially once you get that system up and running, and you've created a few stars, and you know how to do it. It's Frank. He's the guy who runs the office. He can make you famous.

And he can. And he can. And he can. And he can and he will. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting now because the world knows that that's the way it works because it does. It does work that way. What Harvey Weinstein thing just opened up that can of worms.

Yeah, it just opened it up. It's like that is how it works. Yeah. That is how it works. A lot of times people who rise up in the system are bad people. Especially those kind of systems. Systems of power and influence. But I would say that that's like, I was always talking about Hollywood in that way.

That that is like, it's a perfect proving ground for like the absolute worst way to develop a human being. You take people that are already fucked up and they need extra attention. And then they move to a place where they're surrounded by people who are fucked up and need extra attention. And then you make them compete to see who's worthy. And you go in there and pretend to be someone else. And they decide whether or not they're like your someone else or his someone else. And you have to figure out what they like and try to be their friend. Maybe bring them chocolates and maybe talk to them about the latest Roe v. Wade issue.

I, for one, have always been with a woman's right to choose. And they'll like formulate their ideology based on whatever this group of people. So this group of people achieves ultimate power. And, you know, like if you step out of line politically with any of those people, you're on that shit list and you're not going to be in that movie a hundred percent you either keep your fucking mouth shut or you go and you wear your fucking pink ribbon and you do all the things you're supposed to do the black square on tuesday you do everything you're supposed to do or you're not getting in and so everybody is

just like this like weird shell of a person trying to figure out what's the thing they're supposed to say and what's the thing they're supposed to support. Yeah. It's a miserable way to live. But it's a whole industry. They love it. And that's how you make fake stuff. Yeah. That's the only way to make fake stuff.

You got to get those fucking crazy people to pretend they're a minor. Yeah. There's plenty of those people willing to step up and act that way. It's just a terrible place to, like, be a human. And in that environment, it's so hard. Like, I so admire actors who are cool. I so admire them. Because, like, oh, you're just a guy.

You can just hang out. Like, Chris Pratt, bro, if he was right here, he's like my friend from high school or something. Yeah. He's like a regular guy. Just happens to be a giant movie star yeah like how did you do it you got through you're all right well his looks didn't hurt it helps yeah it helps a lot but you can also be a douche with looks like that you can't be yeah you know yeah if you are it's like why right you already won the lottery you look like that you're like dude he's a fucking easy sweetheart of a guy yeah yeah there's a lot of. You look like that. You're like, dude, take it easy. He's a fucking sweetheart of a guy. Yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot of guys like that. Like, I've always loved Ethan Hawke. He says a lot of profound things. He seems like a real normal guy. Lives in Brooklyn. Yeah, he seems brilliant. Did you see that new movie? I haven't seen it yet.

What is it called? The new Netflix movie. It's an apocalyptic end of the world movie. Oh, it sucked. Oh, I didn't like it. You didn't like it? No, I did not like it. How dare you?

What is it called? Leave the World Behind. Leave the World Behind. You thought it sucked? I didn't like it. You didn't like it? Yeah, I did see it. No, I did not like it. How dare you? What's it called? Leave the World Behind. Leave the World Behind. You thought it sucked? I didn't like it.

What did you not like about it? I just thought it, I don't know, it just didn't- I loved it. You loved it? Loved it. Yeah, I didn't like it. Yeah, the only thing I didn't love is the animals showing up in their backyard. I'm like, this doesn't-

That seemed a little over the top. It seemed a little over the top. If I think what I didn't like about it, it seemed a little over the top. I liked the theme of it. I liked how they kind of turned on each other a little bit. Yeah, but not too much. Not too much. But it's coming.

Yeah. Yeah. You think they're preparing us? Yeah, well, for sure they set up an affair. For sure, Ethan's weak and the other dude is strong. You know, that's going to work out well. You know? I mean, there's not enough people.

Yeah. Julia Roberts still looks great. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the thing that threw me off in that movie was the fake animals, the CGI animals. Like, that does, like, you just took me away. You've developed this intense psychological thriller. You don't need to have this weird animal mystery thing in the middle of the movie.

And it didn't even go anywhere. Exactly. Yeah. Well, there's no logic behind it. Yeah. There's no reason why the animals would all just show up in your backyard like that. And they never explained it or nothing ever happened. Unless you live in Texas.

They're everywhere. But they're everywhere every day. Yeah. This movie was great and not so great in the same time. Like, that part was not so great. Yeah. Because it didn't make any sense. But the rest of it did make sense that people do go sideways, you know?

Yeah. I thought that, who was, who played the guy that uh oh kevin bacon the crazy guy underrated actor he's so good he's such a good actor very good i would have liked to have seen him more yeah that's the thing there was one scene i agree with you this fascinating guy who's already prepared i agree with you it. It seemed like that whole in the house stuff was like a little, we got it. Yeah, we got it. Like we kind of got that part. Yeah.

And also the tension didn't go anywhere. Yeah. They wound up being friends. Yeah. You know, like the girl and Julia Roberts, like they hate each other. At the beginning they bitch on each other. Then they're hugging each other at one point in time. What are we doing?

Yeah. Why did you make them fucking cunty to each other? Yeah. You know? That was just, yeah. I didn't love, I just didn't think it was, it could have been better. Why did he not have his wallet on him? Like, what is all about this?

Yeah. Drives there with, oh, I must have left it in my jacket. It looks fake. You're setting me up. Yeah. There's real drama. Yeah. The world is over.

Yeah. There's real drama. Yeah. Why do you get this weird interpersonal drama? There he is. He was good in it. Yeah. You know what's really fascinating there was this

one weird moment where uh the daughter and uh what is the gentleman's name the same guy that's playing blade right i'm not sure uh i'll yeah i'm not sure how you say his name he's awesome he was great in it he's awesome he was great it just like when the daughter said to him, you can't trust white people. Everybody got so mad. Everybody got so mad. Isn't this a movie where two black people are in a house with white people at the end of the world? You don't think that's a reasonable thing to say? No.

It's also part of the black psyche. They're always thinking that. Mershala Ali. They're always thinking, like, can I trust this guy? Why wouldn't you say that? You're a young girl. That's on brand. Yeah. You're a young girl with tattoos and nose rings, and you say don't trust this guy? Why wouldn't you say that you're a young girl? That's on brand. You're a young girl with tattoos and nose rings,

and you say don't trust white people? Duh. Duh. Why would people be upset at that? Look at Obama made this movie, and this is the agenda. No, that's not. Watch the movie. That's not what it's about.

Or hang out with black people. There's always a little something where they always have it in their head a little bit. Or they always have a story. Yeah. What did he say to you? They went through some trauma. Yeah, that's what he said to me. You're like whoa That one-on-one racism when no one's around it's gotta be the scariest shit. Yeah, that's gotta be the scariest shit Yeah, you can't just wash away that trauma it happened. Yeah, what's also it's a movie It's a movie about people that are experiencing heavy levels of anxiety. Yeah.

Where the world is over. Yeah. There's war going on. No one knows what happened. Planes are falling from the sky. This girl's mom's dead probably. Spoiler alert. Well, everyone's like overreacting now to the, yeah, how that's been politicized, right?

Like the race stuff and the DEI. So if they see any glimpse of that they just attach Even if it's just a reasonable part of a story right? I mean you got to give people room in fiction to make realistic human beings Yeah If you don't think a realistic 20-something year old girl who's with her dad whether in a guest bedroom of their own fucking house because these other people air being beat it But the end of the world is here. You don't think you'd have some fucking

Shitty things to say, especially if no one's around? Especially if the woman, who's Julia Roberts, is acting like shitty. Yeah. Yeah, doesn't trust you. Yeah, everyone's so charged now on the culture war. You can't avoid it.

I just posted this clip on my Instagram where I made fun of, you know, because Trump came up in the releases and Clinton came up in the releases. Of course, they say it's all been, they go, oh, that's all been debunked. That's what the media says. It's all been debunked.

Even though both of them were hanging out with Epstein. It's like, what were you hanging out with them? Were you guys golfing? But there's photos of them all. Yeah, they were at it. And Trump was at Clinton's wedding. The Clintons were at Trump's wedding. They're all like hanging out.

Elaine was at Clinton's daughter's wedding exactly yeah so but I posted this clip and the comments are just people yelling at the other he wasn't on it they're just they just can't see past also those people a percentage of them are bots you think so a hundred percent a hundred percent one hundred percent one hundred percent a certain percentage of those one hundred percent a certain percent there's a certain number that are not real people that's true that is all what we were talking about earlier foreign governments they found so many of these sites they found so many of these troll farms there's videos of them the internet research agency in in Russia is completely dedicated to trolling

America online and dissolving our faith in democracy that must be a fun job to wake up to do amazing you wake up You're just like you just funny. I had Renee de rest on She's one of the people that investigated it and she said there was hundreds of thousands of memes She wasn't some of them are really funny. Like I'm really laughing while I'm like fucking documenting these things. It makes sense because I always thought like who's sitting around making these memes? It's got to be somebody's job to do it. There's definitely some of them are just funny people. Because my friends have made memes and sent me memes.

Because it's about something that we did. Yeah. It's very funny. I love memes. Memes are funny. It's my favorite kind of comedy. I know you send me sometimes. Yeah, they're great. I don't send you enough. I love memes. Memes are funny. It's my favorite kind of comedy. I know you send me sometimes. Yeah, they're great.

I don't send you enough. I get a lot of good ones here. Each one that we could never use on the air. But I'm going to just show it to you real quick because it made me laugh so hard. It's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible, but it gets the point across. It's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible.

It's horrible, but it gets the point across. It's horrible. Oh, my God. There's so many of them. And you just laugh so hard. There's no victim. There's no victim. No.

It's just, you know. And it's a one-on-one thing. I've sent that to, like, my friends. And they sent it to their friends. We're all sending it to each other. And I don't know where it came from. It might have come from a troll farm in Macedonia. No, that one seems, because it has no political implications, that seems like it was probably made by somebody.

With a really funny sense of humor. One of the things that they detailed is that they developed pages, right? So they would develop an Instagram page or a Facebook page based on something that was popular. So maybe they would use Giannis Papas clips, right? They'd use a bunch of clips of you and your characters and all your bits. And then they do it without your consent. And then, then develop a channel. They did one with a Barbie channel, like fans of Barbie dolls. They did one with like Legos, like they'll, and then once they accumulate a following, then they'll switch it over and have it become a meme page. And I've seen this before. I went to one that I found the other day because sometimes if a meme just stumbles across my Instagram, I'm very curious about this whole process.

Like who's making these? Where are they coming from? So I clicked on the link and I went to their Instagram page and I saw a bunch of memes but also a bunch of weird stuff and some weird political stuff. And I'm like, hmm, what is this? So I scroll way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way back. And in the very beginning, it was just like a regular page. It was like they were promoting something like some gaming thing or something like that. And it was just a regular page.

And I think they'll do things like that just to try to get some traction of following going. And then they'll start launching things. Well, then you could hack the algorithm just because the algorithm picks up on the engagement it's all computers story in the wall street journal from a few years ago talks about a los angeles marketing company that got a bunch of uh smaller instagram accounts to give them control they do that then they started posting a bunch of russian troll propaganda yeah they'll do that they'll trick you into like giving up your passwords and we'll handle this for you we'll manage things and yeah i have a friend who was uh she was going to do like a podcast with this uh she's a musician suzanne santo um and she was doing this interview, and they were going to do it live on, like, Facebook Live.

So you get, like, a video stream. And so she's like, I'm not sure how to set it up. They're like, oh, just give us control, and we'll do it, and we'll do it on your screen. So she, you know, files all the stuff and enters in her code and her password and sends it to them. And then they just shut off. Wow. And then they just took over her account. And they've been doing it to a bunch of different artists so if you have a hundred thousand followers or 150 000 followers now they just take over your account and then they sell viagra or fucking

you know bitcoin or whatever whatever it is you can't get it back or well she got it back yeah she got it back luckily she you know protests and she knew people and she got it back, but you You could lose it forever easily Russian trolls made fake kid rock fan accounts and fooled Donald Trump jr. He That's what I'm saying man. It's like it's not a small number of people no I think it's a lot Yeah, like I think Renee DiResta was speaking about this from the 2016 elections Yeah, well remember that whole kid, the Covington kids. It was some account in Brazil that edited the video to start it. So it looked like the-

Like he came up to them. That the kid came up to the- Is that what it was? Yeah. It was some account in Brazil, some fake account in Brazil. Interesting. And yeah, they look for moments to try to sow discord. 100%. Yeah. The more that they can get us

at each other's throats, it's it almost seems engineered. It is engineered. But I mean, it almost seems engineered that we fall for it. Well, I think our government doesn't step in and say, hey, look at what's going on here. We need to figure out a way to mitigate this. I think they have been. I think they've

been bringing it up. They've been trying to. What they've really been doing is trying to get at people that criticize the government. That's what they really try to do. They try to ban accounts that do things that they don't like. They do do that. And that's been shown in the Twitter files. For sure. But there's not the same kind of emphasis in going after Russian trolls that are trying to sow discord and try to encourage reasonable conversations.

There's not an emphasis on that. Well, I think that's more the social media company's responsibility. I don't think they wanted to do it because it inflated engagement and they could go to their shareholders and say, look how popular our pages are. We got a trillion members and like half of them are fake. And look at all this engagement and half of it's fake. They don't want to say half of it's fake because it looked good for the stock. We've talked about this before, but there's this guy who was a former, was he an FBI security analyst? Is that what he was,

Jamie? That said that 80% of the accounts on Twitter may be fake. That makes sense. 80. It's a lot. Because you always meet regular people and they're like, what? I'm like, did you see what happened on Twitter? They're like, what? What are you talking about, man? But I don't know what that means. Does that mean 80% of the accounts are accounts where people have burner accounts? Or like what percentage of them are just burner accounts? Because there's a bunch of, I know some comics that have burner accounts that say

wild shit. Just log in through a fucking VPN and say some wild shit. Yeah. I don't have any burners. I don't have any time for my own account. Yeah. I don't want to do a. I don't have any time for my own account. Yeah. I don't want to do a burner account. But if I did.

You'd have some fun. I'd have some fun. There's a few I follow online. They get people on ESPN to repost a fake tweet all the time. Yeah. Like daily. They just word it or make the meme or the picture look so good or so right. It just sounds outrageous enough.

Like so and so is fighting about something crazy and they just repost it without checking into it. That sounds like me. How many times have we had something that I heard and I'm like, what is this I heard? And then Jamie has to look at it and be like, oh, this is what it's actually about. Like, oh.

That happens. Yeah, that's the world we live in. Listen, that's what happens when you, if you want to do the show for real, like this, like if you want the show to be what it is, which is just talking shit in real time, you're going to make some mistakes. I'm going to say some things that I heard about. They might not be true.

Yeah. But is that really my fault? Like, should we really be paying attention to that? Or should we be paying attention to how are we so fucking confused? How are there so many trolls? How much money is being spent to make us mad at each other all day long? A lot of money.

Yeah, and how do you develop immunity to that? How do you develop antibodies to that? How do you develop an ability to just not be affected by that and to have some sort of a moral, ethical, personality compass where you know where North is. Well, this is all new. Never before has so much information been available

to people and so many different versions of reality presented, so it's new. Whatever is gonna emerge, it will be like some sort of superhuman who can be able to have unbelievable intuition and just know maybe like this will force humans to evolve to a point where we can like mind read or any little face tick will be able to tell if you're lying or something like that everyone else will get fooled but the ones who be were able to tell the truth will be able to just like really like ah his eye moved i

know he's lying bullshit yeah like think about like voice memos. You know how you say voice memos? Like you could say into your phone, call Giannis Papas today at 4 o'clock. And it writes it down in text. That's kind of how a computer is at picking up whether you're full of shit. But you're a lot better than that. If you're talking to someone, like, why didn't you meet us there? It's like, oh, there's this thing I had to do. It was like I forgot to tell Mike.

I left my keys in my house. There's something about the way they're talking. You're like, oh, he seems full of shit. You just pick up at it. Or like, are you mad? No, I'm not mad. Okay. And there's something.

You're like, no, dude, you're mad. Tell me what's going on. Why are you mad? What's going on? Just let's talk. Why are you mad? What's going on? Just let's talk. Why are you mad? Yeah, computers aren't as good as that. Computers are going to say, I'm not mad.

Okay, good. It's not mad. But you're like, dude, you're upset. Let me ask you this. Do you think it matters? Do you think the truth matters? Does it matter? In what way?

What do you mean? Like, is there, like, massive consequences to living in a fantasy world or believing lies or making up stories or stealing stuff or, like, plagiarizing? Like, you know, Biden was caught doing, like, you know, Claudine Gay was a big story. Now they're going after Eichmann's wife. Like, does it matter? Does originality matter?

Does being genuine matter and why and why not like it's an interesting thing because I think this is definitely not the era for being genuine this is the era of like I want to make you believe what I want you to believe for my benefit I tend to be a glasses half

full guy so I say no this is the age of being genuine because that other stuff is everywhere. And if you want to really just have actual connections with humans, just actually be a real human, like be there. And the only way you could do that is if you're being truthful. Now, if you're plagiarizing and you're also trying to connect with people and you're trying to pretend that you're the person that figured these things out, I don't know you. I don't know your capabilities now because they've been greatly inflated by you repeating someone else's work and trying to pawn it off as your own.

But that's rewarded. It seems to be rewarded. It's also for a while. But it's being busted now. We're being busted. And when you step out of line like Claudine Gay did at that when they're speaking, was it a congresswoman they're speaking to? They were asking her about, like, is saying death to the Jews, is that harassment? And they're like, is it if it's actionable?

They're like, well, it's the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. What were they wearing when they said it? How did they say it? It just shows how far this mind virus is taking people in academia. They're literally out of their fucking minds and they're shaping young minds and they're influenced heavily by foreign governments. That has always been the case. That is what Yuri Bezmenov talked about in the 1980s. That's right.

I've seen that video. That video is wild. And he talks about introducing Marxism and Leninism into universities and education and changing the narrative for young people, destroying their faith in democracy. And that's exactly what's happening. And these people are a part of that system. And they don't realize how fucking crazy it is How fucking crazy it is that you're doing this. Yeah, they just not they don't realize you're being manipulated They don't know what the source is. They don't know what the intention is

There's people in San Francisco with the masks on dancing around. Yeah, because that's their world. That's that's their environment Their environment is fucking crazy Everyone's kind of in a bubble. It's interesting. And as comics, we meet, we see the different bubbles by going from this city to that city. You're like, whoa. A lot of people, most people don't get the opportunity to do that. So they just think their bubble is the way it is.

Yeah. And they don't see the other perspective. Yeah. If you don't travel a little, you don't meet different kinds of people, you don't know the different kinds of people exist. Like, when I lived in Boston, like, you get used to, like, that kind of people. You know, like, fucking hot ass, fucking just hard working, no bullshit, I gotta shovel snow people. Is there a version of you that stays in Boston, meets some wrong Italian kids, you get a nickname like Joey Mule Kicks?

Yeah, I could have stayed. He's like, fuck you, kid. Hey, if I didn't do stand-up, I would probably still be there. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how I would have figured out a way to travel the country without stand-up. Yeah. I don't know if I would have gone anywhere. I probably would have just stayed in Boston, complained about the winter every year. Yeah.

Maybe a bunch of my friends, as we got older, we decided to escape to Florida. Yeah, you go all-inclusive. Maybe a little Cancun action. Nah, you're not going to live in Cancun. No, do an all-inclusive. Oh, a vacation. Yeah, a little vacation. Yeah, but I'm talking about moving.

Oh, moving. Oh, that's the dream. I'm going to stay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but most likely, I'm going to stay in Boston. You're not going to move to Florida if you live in Boston. And I'm not going to be going on the road. No.

Like, as a comic you do ridiculous you're in ohio then you're in mississippi then you're in florida then you're in michigan then you're in nevada then you're in utah yeah you're going all over the place as a comedian yeah that's that's an education in humans such an education yeah such an education i speak to my brother all the time um about that like he doesn't see the world he lives in dc and sometimes i'll send him stuff like you know making fun of nancy pelosi or whatever and he like just can't he can't process it and i'm like you live in a bubble you're just and he at one point he was i do and i want to stay in it. I want to stay in that bubble. Well, if you're busy, I get it.

Yeah. For them, the answer is truth important? No. No. No. Can they get Uber Eats? That's right. Is Netflix on?

Is Netflix on? Are they getting a raise at work? And we're not really a truth-seeking animal. The truth is uncomfortable. The truth is uncomfortable. It's tedious. It can be vicious. It can be mean.

We're not a- Dep mean. That's why I think we're so susceptible to marketing and advertising. Nobody wants to know the real truth. Nobody wants to know how the sausage is made. Everyone wants to just believe the image that they see on the screen. Nobody wants to know the truth. And that's why I think there's often not a lot of consequences when people are caught being inauthentic because people want to believe it. Who do you blame, mean, the conner or the conned? I mean, the conned are complicit. You want to believe.

I think we're about five years away from mind reading. I think it all goes out the window. Once we can mind read? Mm-hmm. Got it. Yeah. I think within five years, it's all out the window. That's going to be interesting.

Have you seen the new Galaxy AI phones? I'm not scared of it. Put it in me. Have you seen the new galaxy AI phone I'm not scared of it but any new galaxy AI phones that translate in real time no they translate in real time in language audio rather and in text so you have a phone you set the phone down like we would have a phone would set it down here and one half would be facing you the other half would be facing me like the text is upside down so that you could read the text. And I would say into it, you know, in whatever language, you know, hey, Giannis, you want to go to lunch? And it would translate into whatever language you have and then say it out in real time.

So the way it's when it sets up to do it like where you see. So you can do it a couple of different ways. One, you could do it when you're calling people. That on a call the one on the screen yeah so you're calling people and as they're talking back it will translate it in real time and it would also translate if you're wearing i think the galaxy earbuds it'll translate it in audio so it'll give you whatever that person's saying in english wow and then you say it back to them, and it will translate it in Thai or whatever they're speaking. Wow. Yeah. We're headed into an interesting place.

Right. So once you get to that, once you get to this where language is no longer a barrier. So this is the beginning, right? This Galaxy I, this is like the best smartphone that you could buy right now. This is the beginning. And then what this is really is like Atari. This is like some shitty pixelated version of a video game that you play. Within 10, 15 years, it's going to be the Unreal 5 engine.

It's going to be some insanely sophisticated way where the moment you and I talk, we're going to have earbuds in and we're going to be able to speak all languages. I'll know exactly what you're saying. You'll know exactly what I'm saying. And it'll be razor focused. It'll have it down to, there'll be a few confusions and words and stuff like that, but they'll iron that shit out over time. And then there'll be universal discussions, universal talk.

And then we'll all be connected into some sort of a hive mind, some sort of a matrix of frequencies that the brain is interacting with, with all the other people around it. So you're going to be able to do all this without using words. And we're all going to be reading each other's minds and you're going to know intentions. You're going to know truth. You're going to know deception. You're going to know hate, anger, lust. You're going to know when know hate, anger, lust you're going to know when someone wants to fuck you you're going to know when someone wants to run away from you you're going to know everything wow, that's going to be

it's going to be a different kind of person people would say, oh my god what would we even be then how could I live like that how could you live the way you live now in a metal box with rubber tires going 70 miles an hour down a hardened surface they threw over the grass so you can get to your air-conditioned house where you got a refrigerator with food in it and sit in front of a television that just like pumps

in other people's artwork into your fucking brain so you pass out and then you wake up in the morning and do it all again you don't think that's crazy? It's a great description. That's fucking insane. That's insane and that's everyday life. That's normal. It's normal to be completely connected to your phone. Incapable of leaving it in the house and going for a walk.

Yeah. Yeah. And we live like that now and we figured it out. So we'll figure it out. The mind reading thing is coming, son. Yeah. It's coming. It's going to be a totally different Yeah. Yeah. And we live like that now and we figured it out, so we'll figure it out. The mind reading thing's coming, son. It's coming. It's going to be a totally different way of thinking. Just like right now with the internet and with the access to information

that we have now. It's a completely different way of finding out what's true or what's not true. Yeah, even if you think about the way the world's changed just by how criminals can't get away with doing crime. There's cameras everywhere. There's DNA. Everywhere. I think that's probably why serial killers have gone away.

They haven't. Well, I mean, they've lessened a lot, right? Yeah, but there's a lot of random. You could do random stuff. Robot reimagines the digital experience with AI-powered R1 device. What is that? Called Rabbit. What is it? It just got shown at CES.

Just the video that Lewis made from Unbox Therapy describes it pretty quickly. I was trying to find a better video, but this, I think, does it really good job. This kind of replaces the phone, and we'll see if people relate to this. It's a teaser on their new AI-powered device. It's got a grill on it. It could be for the speaker. It could be for the mic. Oh, it's definitely a hardware device. Oh, there's the mics on the top. It is like voice as the primary input. It has a rotating camera. And I saw a little SIM door as well.

So cellular, so standalone. Start my morning routine. Order me an Uber. Check the fridge. Order the ingredients to make that again tomorrow. Watch what I'm doing here. Process all my new photos today just like this. Massage my prostate. Yeah. Well what I'm doing here. Process all my new photos today just like this. Massage my prostate.

Yeah. Well, I mean. Feed me cake. Massage my prostate. Figure out what my wife wants to eat. And then it goes, can't compute. It costs 200 bucks and it's coming out very soon. But I can do stuff for you.

And how, I don't really know. Right, but the thing about phones is social media. It's TikTok. It's YouTube. It's Instagram. It's being able to see things over and over and over and over again. If that doesn't have a screen or that little bitchy-ass screen and it's mostly just talking into it...

There's other devices that are coming out now to replacing that. There's these very simple... They're cheap, too. 27-inch screens that'll follow you around your house. What? 27 inches? It follows you? It's full of apps. I'm sure it's an Android device. So wait a minute, does it float? Like a robot?

Right now it's like a little Roomba robot that can charge for seven hours. Imagine everywhere you walk you have a giant screen with you. You get nothing done. Yeah. How about the Apple goggles are coming out? That's the other part of it too. You're going to decide if you want to wear these goggles or here's the LG one. So what I was saying though about that Galaxy phone is AI that allows you to translate like that now allows you to do a bunch of other different things.

One of the things it allows you to do, like if there's a photo, like if someone sends you something, you just circle it and it'll do an immediate Google search of what that thing is. It'll tell you what that thing is. It'll either you could buy it. It'll give you like links where it's for sale. It'll give you what that thing is. It'll either, you could buy it. It'll give you like links where it's for sale. It'll give you a history on it. It'll take you to a Wikipedia page and whatever that thing is. Yeah. It's like chat, chat. GBT does that pretty well. But it's in your phone. It's in your phone. Yeah. You just circle things. Yeah. It just goes right to them. Yeah. It's crazy. And it's also able to summarize things now. Like see,

like say if you sit down with your phone and you make a bunch of voice notes like you go on a rant about something you're like i know there's something funny in this i don't want to work it out totally on stage let me work it out in my office and you just go on a rant about this thing it will then transcribe it and then you could say summarize this for me wow and we'll summarize it into bullet points and paragraphs yeah well. Well, I know now. On your phone. Yeah. With ChatGBT, you could go on there now and go, give me a joke in the style of Joe Rogan. Yeah. And it'll give you a joke. And then people could probably just change a few things. And it's going to, I don't know what being genuine is going to mean in the future.

Well, I think it's going to lead us to be more inclined to give in to this mind reading thing because the opposite is going to be too much chaos. If it's one or the other, it's either complete chaos, you never know what's true, or you know everything that's true. And we all have to agree that this is the best way. The thing about that is if you know – if everybody has to wear it, dictators, everyone, that ruins the entire hustle. It ruins everything. Instantaneously, you can't pull off anything anymore. Right. All the people in Congress that are committing insider trading, all the people that are in the military industrial complex that are in inflating dangers to try to get us involved in a military conflict.

It's going to get them a giant fat contract they're going to make large dollars and then if you try to if you try to persecute somebody for a thought that they had then they'll find out that if you had the same thought you're full shit or they'll also give why

are they mad at you for that are they really upset are they being charitable with their assessment of the way you think and behave or are they mad at you for that? Are they really upset? Are they being charitable with their assessment of the way you think and behave? Or are they just trying to play some stupid social game and win some little conflict with you and just get- You think it'll get that sophisticated? Will it understand the context of your feelings? 100%. Yeah. I think it'll be a new language. I think it'll eventually evolve into a universal language. So if we're going to be interconnected with AI, which with this new Galaxy phone, the S24 Ultra,

you clearly are interconnected with AI in your phone. It's actually built into your phone. They've engineered the chip to work specifically with AI in that phone. This stuff is only gonna get better, right? it's only gonna get better and I I see it getting better to a point where We're probably going to be integrated physically with these things whether it's something that you wear like a little headset that you wear or

something that they put in your body. And it's going to be way better with it than it is without it. In the beginning, most people aren't going to do it. But once they get it dialed in, and they've developed some sort of whether it's Neuralink, and there's a bunch of different competitors are doing similar sorts of technology. Once they figure out a way to really enhance your brain and really enhance your ability to gather information and process information and supercharge it, everybody that has that will have such a significant advantage over everybody that doesn't that we have a real risk of people not doing it. Right. People are going to have to do it. Right. Because what if Kim Jong-un does it and just takes over the world?

Right people are gonna have to do it right because what if Kim jong-un does it it just takes over the world What are the people that do it just are the the worst people alive? And they just use that as to we're gonna lock everything down starve the world out Central bank digital currency fucking drones everywhere. No one gets away with anything. No one gets a chip But me right right. Yeah, you become a god and there's no super genius. And there's no way to stop the progression of technology. Impossible. Yeah. Impossible. The only way is an asteroid.

Yeah. Something big. We'd have to have like a natural disaster that sends us back into the Stone Age. That might be the only way to stop AI. Right. Well, hopefully we can- Or nuclear war. We can divert that with nuclear weapons or something.

Maybe that will come in handy- I don't think they can do that yet. For something. Yeah, they probably can. I don't think they can do that yet. For something. Yeah, they probably can. I don't think they can do that yet. But hopefully they will be able to. Maybe. Yeah.

Someday. Yeah. But right now, I don't think they can do that. I think we're pretty far out. Yeah. Something's going to hit us eventually. 100%. Yeah.

Something's going to hit us. You look at the moon, it's just been fucking hit so many times. Yeah. I was like a teenage kid with terrible acne. Looks like it's bad. Accutane commercial yeah yeah um we've been hit man 100% and we're gonna get hit again we're in a shooting gallery yeah flying around to the universe in a shooting gallery there's things just flying out there but it's a mad race it's a mad race to get to the point where you could defend it

have the technology and the ability to manipulate whether it's a mad race. It's a mad race to get to the point where you can defend it, have the technology and the ability to manipulate, whether it's asteroids, comets, natural disasters, super volcanoes, being able to manipulate things in real time. Once you have kids, you root for them. You're like, let's do it. Let's keep going. Yeah. I can understand people who don't have kids.

They're like, who cares? Let it blow up. Once you have kids, you're like, no, survive. Let's all survive. Keep it going. I get the I don't want to have no, survive. Let's all survive. Keep it going. I get the I don't want to have kids. I don't want the responsibility. I get it.

But what I don't get is that, you know, the world does need more people. Do you like people? Because I like people. Love people. My favorite friends are people. Yeah, that's what we're doing here is making people. Yeah, that's what we're supposed to do. I love people.

The idea that we shouldn't make more people seems fucking insane. It's crazy, especially when you do it and then you feel the love that you have for your kids and you're like, this is the greatest thing. And then you just become a better person. Yeah. You just become, everything about it is positive. Everything about having kids is positive. For most people. I can't see how it's negative unless

well you're fucked up person yeah but if you're a little bit of a fucked up person having kids makes you a better person it's I've definitely seen that happen before where people experience the love of their child and they just straighten their life out yeah but I've also seen people fall apart yeah well it's you know some people just they'd fall apart man some people fall apart but they were going to fall apart over something else anyway yeah yeah anything yeah some people just they want they get addicted also to being picked up they want to fall apart because they want all the attention that comes with falling apart yeah you got your borderline personalities

and yeah people like that yeah it are fascinating. So fascinating. They're more fascinating than the universe. They're so complex. That's why one-dimensional, politically-minded, ideology-driven people online are so insane to me. So insane to have that view of humans. You have this completely binary view of humans.

The good people and the bad people, the right and the left, and the morons and the smart people in the room. Like, okay. Well, we have these loopholes in our, like the confirmation bias. We have just these loopholes where we can be manipulated. It's just. That's how cults get started. Yeah's just it's there it's a weakness it's a vulnerability that people have that yeah they're almost uh defenseless to like they're subconscious and there's there's people can't there's manipulative people know how to hack that shit they know how

to manipulate they do it they do it very effectively marketers do it all the time advertisers do it all the time and it worksisers do it all the time. And it works. There's this guy, Darren Brown. Nobody explained it better than Darren Brown, who's this medium. You know who he is? I've had him on. Oh, man. He's the... If everyone just watched him manipulate people and then

explain how he did it, you'd be like, yeah. We're all prey to this. Nobody can see it coming. That one episode where he convinces that, I think he's a famous comedian in England. It was the craziest thing. He brings him in. He makes him write a week ago what his ideal gift would be. And then he makes him put it in an envelope and his ideal present and seal it up. And then he brings it in. Then he brings it in a room. He puts him through this whole thing. And he goes, okay, now, what's your ideal present? And he changes it to the thing that he wanted it to be. He's like, it's a red bike. I want a red bike.

And then he opens the box. It's a red bike. And then they open the letter to see what he said. And it was a leather jacket. And even he forgot what he wanted. And he said, I walked into the room going, it's got a leather jacket, leather jacket. But he manipulated him with suggestion and images and words that he said. And he changed what his actual ideal gift would be.

And it's like, and you go, and then he explains to you how he did it. He shows you how he did it. You're like, none of us have the defenses to stop that. That's crazy. Well, it's just like that thing that you were saying that you do for your it. You're like, none of us have the defenses to stop that. That's crazy. Well, it's just like that thing that you were saying that you do for your mind. EDMR. Like, there's a system.

You can kind of, like, hack it. Hack it. You hack it. You hack the brain. And then reprocess the memories, which essentially, after you reprocess the memories, you end up remembering them that way, and the emotional charge gets removed,

and that's how it goes. Now, imagine AI hacking it. Yeah. And that's what these chips are going to be. That's what these things, whatever these things are that are going to be in your brain, they're going to map it out. They're going to find out why things do this and why things do that. And they just reprogram the whole thing. It's going to be crazy.

And it's going to happen in our lifetime. It's crazy. We're the last of the meat thing. It's going to be crazy. It's going to happen in our lifetime. It's crazy. We're the last of the meat humans. We're going to have metal in us. Yeah. Not just metal. Silicone.

Yeah. Technology. Batteries. We're the last of the meat humans. Do you think our body is going to reject it at first? People will get like

infections, cancers. Like you can't just put something in the brain the body rejects foreign objects Yeah, it does, but it doesn't pacemakers work a lot of things true true You just have to find something that's hypoallergenic and find something that's maybe organic Some but something that the body will integrate just like it integrates with titanium neck discs true They were backs and well you got to take like some antibiotics and shit. No, you don't have to if you get like plates in your arms and shit. No.

Like if you get a broken arm and they put screws in there and plates, you don't have to take antibiotics forever. You do initially. Yeah, initially. That's just because you've been cut. It really has nothing to do with the metal. Oh, okay. It's you've just been cut open and you're exposed and you and you know you get MRSA you know medication resistant staph infections no good those put people in the hospital for months they kill you

too they kill people yeah that's that's some sketchy shit yeah so like if you can put like a titanium rod in your shin they could put a little fucking thing in your spinal cord that's a little fucking little thing that you screw in place every day. You know, you leave it charging by the bed when you go to sleep

and you screw it back in place and... It's going to be insane. Locked into the real matrix. What would a conversation be like if we knew what was going...

You'd be like, Giannis, calm down. I know you're nervous. Just relax. No, no, no. That's... You'd be like, no, no, no.

Well, the argument is we're going to create an artificial life. And I'd be like, Joe, pay attention. I know you're thinking about Marshall. Stop it. I'm here. You'd be like, no, no, no. Well, the argument is we're going to create an artificial life. And I'd be like, Joe, pay attention. I know you're thinking about Marshall. Stop it. I'm here. We'd be like, it may be weird at first.

It may be weird, yeah. At first. It'd probably be annoying. Yeah. It'd be the end of art. I'd say thank you and Jamie would be like, for what? I'd be like, well, Joe just thought that my hair looks good. We just said thank you with your mind.

Yeah. You would go like that. So we'd just sit in silence we just sit and make facial expressions at each other that was one of the first things elon said about it he said you're gonna be able to talk without words yeah is he do you think he'll be more like uh socially good when when you're yeah you think his mind version will be like really on it like as far as like timing and socially because sometimes he'll pause you know you ever he but he pauses because he actually

thinks he's thinking he's not bullshitting you yeah if you ask him a question and it's a complex question he'll he'll sit there yeah and he'll run it through his head and really think that's that's the sign of a genuine intelligent shit yeah that's not a person who's just bullshitting for the masses i it's it's understandable that he's not a person who's just bullshitting for the masses. It's understandable that he's socially a little weird because his brain is doing a lot of fucking shit. Yeah. His brain's going through a lot of things.

Yeah, I asked him about it. I'm like, what's it like being you? He goes, you wouldn't want to be me. His brain's just going. Because I thought everybody was like that when I was young, that everyone just had these ideas just running through their head all day long. Yeah.

It took them a while to realize. Yeah. Some people don't. Some people don't. Most people don't. But I mean, that's the kind of guy you need if you want someone who makes electric cars and rockets and fucking satellite internet

and buys Twitter. And that's why you need a system like we have that allows those people to rise. Yeah. Yeah. Well, also, you need a system like we have that allows those people to rise. Yeah. Well, also you need a guy with balls. Like Elon had the balls to step in and buy Twitter. Yeah. And reinstate some fucking shaky

ass people. Yeah. I mean, that's a loss there because the advertisers are probably like, hey, who are you putting back on? Yeah. And then he said when they were like, you're gonna blackmail me with money? Fuck you. Yeah. Fuck you.

Go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's really how he feels. Yeah. When you've got that kind of scratch and he just keeps making more money, you know, how much is SpaceX going to be worth?

You know, how much is the boring company going to be worth once they start actually fixing traffic with tunnels, shooting cars on the ground? I mean, this is an insane guy. Well, he's essentially done what like Walmart does to small businesses, but he did it for a good reason to try to promote free speech because Walmart just goes in,

loses money for a bit until they charge you cheaper, lose money for a bit until they put you out of business and then they recoup their losses. Well, I wouldn't connect it to that. I wouldn't compare it to that. I wouldn't compare it to that. What I would say is this is probably, from what I've read, I haven't actually discussed this with him, but what I've read is that this is one step in a multi-step process of turning Twitter, now X, into an app you use for everything.

You use it for banking. They already have an AI that's attached to it. What is it called? Grok? Yeah. Why is it called Grok? What does Grok stand for? Grok means, like, do you understand?

No, it's from one of the movies. Oh. Because the word Grok means, like, do you understand? Do you fathom it? Do you... Oh, really? Yeah. In what language?

Like, do you Grok? In English. Oh, really? Yeah, Grok. G-R-O-K. No shit. Yeah. Whoa.

Oh, that's a perfect name for AI, then. Yeah. That's the... That's so cool. I've literally never heard that word. It's a perfect name for AI then. Yeah. That's the... That's so cool. I've literally never heard that word. It's not a word used a lot. I thought it was someone's name. It's actually the reason it says that's why they named it that.

Yeah. Ah, that makes sense. So they have the AI, right? So they have Grok. Now, just think about how much open AI is worth. The AI model called Grok... Oh, you son of a bitch. You motherfuckers.

Yeah, they always make you try to subscribe. Motherfuckers. Goddamn. The AI model called Grok, a name that means to understand in tech circles, is designed to answer questions with a bit of wit and has a rebellious streak, so please don't use it if you hate humor.

Reads an announcement on the company's website. Okay. But how much is OpenAI worth? How much is that company worth? How much is ChatGPT worth? Just Google that. What's ChatG OpenAI worth? How much is that company worth? How much is ChatGPT worth? Just Google that. What's ChatGPT worth? So ChatGPT is the one that people have been using and talking about more than any of the other ones.

I do know that Microsoft has one. So it's worth what? How much? What is the value of chat GPD? What is, how much is chat? Yeah. 29 billion. Okay.

According to Zach Johnson.com. Open AI is an American research organization with a current net worth of approximately 29 billion. This one says 100 billion. This is December 23rd. So this is really recently. Open AI valuation, 100 billion in sight with funding round,

and that's from Fortune. Okay, so it's in sight. So let's just call it 80 billion. Well, he bought Twitter for 44. So even if Twitter's only worth 19 now, if this grok takes off, there is a potential

to be a competitor to something like this and to be just as big. If people really start using AI for everything, it seems like they're going to start using it and they can incorporate it into devices and a bunch of different things and different ways to use it. So you have that. Then you have multimedia streaming. He's doing the

Tucker Carlson show, which is there. And I think you made a deal. Don Lemon. Who's going to watch that? Maybe it'll be a wild version of Don Lemon. I mean, it's a wild version of Tucker Carlson now. Lick it up. Yeah. Lick it up.

Don Lemon talking shit. Yeah. I mean, Tucker's not the same Tucker. I mean, he's interviewing the guy, that con man who said he fucking blew Obama or whatever. Yeah. So he's having fun. That one's wild. Yeah.

That one's wild. Yeah. What are you doing. Yeah. So he's having fun. That one's wild. Yeah. That one's wild. Yeah. What are you doing? Yeah. What are you doing, bro? It's a little different. Why are you interviewing the guy who blew Obama? Yeah.

That's crazy. Who had like a huge record of conning and being a liar. Yeah. Did he have a huge record of being a con man? Huge. Huge. Why do I want to believe him though? Huh? Because it's fun

It's fun as fuck But when you look at the guy's got like charges all like his whole background is Connie. Well, he's a hustler Yeah, you know gay hustler. I mean, that's basically what he's saying openly that he did with Obama. Yeah money He got coke and give him sex. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Tucker's like, I believe it. Tucker's like, I believe this guy. Yeah. It's so crazy to have that guy on your show. Especially when just Googling his background. And like, he's not a new guy.

He's been around for a while. He's come up in other political campaigns and stuff. I think what Tucker's doing is brilliant. First of all, I think going over to Twitter was brilliant. Because like so many people were paying attention to it then. And the numbers were giant, like crazy numbers for some of the episodes. Then you go to a subscription model, like $9 a month or something like that, whatever it is. You know how many people are going to sign up for that?

Yeah, the subscription model is the best way to stay free. You got to stay free. Yeah. If you're not free, you're fucked. Yeah. The only way in the future is going to be subscription models. Most of these companies, like if you're on YouTube right now, you have to watch, you're fucked. Yeah. The only way in the future is going to be subscription models. Most of these companies, like if you're on YouTube right now, you have to watch what you're saying. I don't really want Spotify.

Spotify is pretty fucking good. Yeah. But for the most part, with a lot of these social media companies and these companies that are producing these things, they have a very clear mindset as to what is acceptable and not acceptable. Yeah. Spotify kind of stuck by you during all these controversies. Yeah. I want you to imagine if Tucker Carlson had a YouTube show and he brought on the guy that blew Obama.

It was just a YouTube show. I'm tuning in, even though I know it's a joke. Don't you think they'd pull it? Don't you think they'd mad at it? Okay. Let's imagine Theo Vaughn has the guy on that blew Obama. Now it's over. Yeah.

They're going to yank him. 100%. Probably yank Tucker more because Tucker was – Theo would probably have a lot more fun with that. Yeah, but you can get rid of Theo. And getting rid of Tucker is more of a stink. Right. You know, like Theo Peloton contacted him when he had Robert Kennedy Jr. on. And Peloton was like, get rid of that episode.

Right. And then Dana White found out about it and threw out all the Pelotons. I heard about that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like companies have a very clear idea what you should be able to say and not be able to say. And for comics in particular, that's a real problem. Yeah, well, you can't blame the companies. They're just thinking about their bottom line. Yeah.

I mean, we would do the same if we worked for those companies. Sure. If you're just a numbers guy. Yeah, you're just a numbers guy. Like, hey, we don't want to be attached to that. Yeah, we need advertiser revenue. It's not even about going like, hey, pro con. They're like, we know it's a hot button topic for people or whatever,

and we don't want to get into it. We want to sell bikes. That's why what Elon did is so wild. You you know that's really why it's so wild i mean everybody's back on x hollywood hogan back on it he's like hollywood hogan he switched from hogan to hollywood nwo x everybody's back everybody everybody you see everything up there yeah it'shmm. Yeah. It's pretty interesting, isn't it? Well, yeah, there's a lot of good, but yeah, then, you know, I do- There's a lot of not so good. I follow some people who are straight Nazis.

Oh, there's definitely straight Nazis on there. There's straight Nazis. The Taliban's on there. Yeah. I mean, everybody. Taliban's on there. The Nazis are on there. Maybe that's good, though, because then you can see them and you know what they're doing

as opposed to having them hide and then you're not then you don't know what they're up to. Well, that was my argument about the feds infiltrating these terrorist organizations. Especially even things like, well, they couldn't even say if the feds were involved in January 6th. Of course they can't say because sometimes they have to be involved. because sometimes they have to be involved. Like whether or not they did instigate getting people to go into the Capitol, I don't think they wouldn't do that. But what's more important is if you've got something that might be an insurrection,

you kind of have to be there. You're a part of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. You have to look into that. But when it gets to the plot to kidnap Governor Whitmer and you find out that there's 14 people involved and 12 of them are FBI informants. 12? 12 out of

14? And these two fucking dopes get railroaded for the rest of their fucking life for some cosplay scheme in their head. Their stupid 84 IQ head of going and kidnapping the governor, and you find out it's all set up by federal informants? I think you're doing it wrong. Is that what happened?

Yep. I'm not aware of that at all. Oh, this is the greatest story. This is the greatest story. That's verified. Oh, yeah. That's crazy. Pull it up, Jamie.

Twelve of them were informants. Well, the head of the Proud Boys was an FBI informant. The head of the Proud Boys. That's crazy. He was an FBI informant? Yes. Wow. And they still put him in jail. That's dirty. Dude, they That's dirty. There was a story,

a hilarious story back in the day. That's like Whitey Bulger dirty. Yeah, they did that. Yeah, that was dirty. Whitey Bulger was a fucking murderer, and he was working for the vets. And he continued to murder as an FBI informant. I don't think 12 of them were actually informants, but they may have actually worked with the FBI in some form. I don't know if it makes them an informant, though. This says only four. Jamie, are you an informant apologist?

That's what I'm getting out of here. It says only four? No, there's more than four. I know there's more than four. I was reading this very detailed breakdown of how many of the men had no connection to the FBI. Here, go to the AP News. FBI lured

men. Yeah. It says four, though. I know. Wait a minute. The four men charged with planning to kidnap, how many other people were there that weren't those men that weren't charged because the FBI informants weren't charged? They said they were swayed by informants.

Exactly. How many informants were there though? Why don't you write how many FBI informants Whitmer kidnapping? How many FBI informants Whitmer kidnapping. How many FBI informants? What does it say here? A total of 12 informants were ultimately involved in the investigation. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's it.

That's the number that I'd heard. A total of 12 informants. According to BuzzFeed. Well, I mean, this is right here. This is the New York Times. Yeah, let's see what they say. Sometimes we don't believe the New York Times. Yeah, they were wrong about that fucking bombing of the hospital. Yeah, who knows? I mean, this is right here. This is the New York Times. Yeah, let's see what they say. Sometimes we don't believe the New York Times. Yeah, they were wrong about that fucking bombing of the hospital.

Yeah, they were. I'm pretty sure that's the story. I'm pretty sure there's 12 informants. I think, well, I'm not an informant. Here you go. Here you go. The FBI deployed at least 12 informants as well as- Several undercover, as well as several undercover agents, according to defense filings on the nighttime surveillance operation of the government's cottage.

For example, the defense described Big Dan as the main organizer. Steven Robeson, with a long history of both past crimes and work as an informant, was there, too. The explosives expert who could topple a bridge was actually an undercover FBI agent as was the man in another vehicle The defense lawyers using the same trove of evidence material have built an entirely different scenario of what happened They depict an accused as a reluctant puppets Entrapped by the FBI agents and informants whom they say came up with the kidnapping. So it's a he said she said about Whether they the informants were like just going along getting the information, or actually pushing them to do it. Well, they also had actual FBI agents that were pretending they were bomb experts who were going to blow up a fucking bridge.

Look, it's a scam. Yeah. It's a scam. You got to put out fire, so you start a fire. You know, there's firefighters that have done that. It's suspicious that the FBI was heavily involved the whole way through this. It's very, it seems weird. Yeah, it's an understatement.

Why didn't you just arrest them if you thought they were planning on doing that? And so if you see them there doing that, then you could easily say on January 6th they were there also rallying up morons. Right. The same type of people that would do that would do that. Yeah, and they probably were because there are videos of people opening doors and shit. So those videos are not... Also telling people, let's go in there. Let's go in there.

People calling them feds. People still went in there. They still did that. They don't do that. Yeah, you still have agency. You're an adult. They did it. But yeah, it doesn't seem as clean as people think.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because they definitely wanted to make Trump look bad. Oh, yeah. They were constantly trying to make Trump look bad. They tried to do it with Russia. They've tried a lot of things to try to get that guy. Yeah, and the videos that they show are like it's getting stormed by barbarians. But then you see that dude getting a tour, the shaman dude with a buffalo hat on.

That's right. Getting a tour. The guards are taking him around, showing him around. I thought he was violent. A lot of different things happen in different places. I thought this was an insurrection. Yeah. It seemed like a bunch of dopes just wandered into a building.

I know what. They didn't know what to do. One guy, though. One guy had zip ties on. Yeah. I think it was different people had different motivations. 100%. And I think there might

have been if i mean there's your evidence right there they were doing that there they there's a good chance they were doing that on january 6th as well kevin bacon from the netflix movie he would have zip ties yeah right yeah you're gonna have different fucking people you got different people yeah they're all going to that thing because they think that the election's been stolen yeah some guys are going to show up with zip ties. And that's when it gets scary. That's when it gets scary. That's when it's been interesting. And knowing what's true and what's not true,

it's not as easy as it used to be. Nope. And it's only going to get worse with AI. AI is going to make things super confusing. Well, the scary thing about AI, I'm still more scared of people than AI. AI has been nothing but helpful to me. For now. For now for now yeah i'm scared of people people are do bad things but where it can get very dangerous is if you do like an ai video of putin saying we're launching nukes and then you think it's real and then we launch the nukes and yeah yeah or fake like actual fake footage of an

attack yeah we gotta stop war somehow like somehow Somehow we got a fucking how do we do that? Yeah, that's pop. That's just my guy God I Don't know we get people to do this thing with I will maybe the EDM are maybe sitting putting down and be like What's this really? What did you your mother did what let's talk about your mom? What's it about and then sit down? I don't know because Because like you said, yeah, obviously NATO, you know, was interested in Ukraine. NATO was interested in the former Eastern Bloc as well. But the Eastern Bloc is very interested in joining NATO.

Finland's interested in joining NATO, not because NATO's manipulating them. Like a lot of these theories just forget that these countries have agency and- Oh, for sure. But that's not the theory about the red line that Putin had with Ukraine. I'm just saying Ukraine- That's very specific. Ukraine wants to be part of NATO. They want to be a democracy.

The majority of them do. That's why they're fighting. I mean, they're fighting. We're not forcing them to fight. I mean, they are fighting and dying. They don't want to be part of Putin's world. They don't want to be part of Russia's influence. And Putin doesn't like that. And, you know, he, you know, all those other former Soviet republics, too, that are now, you know, part of NATO or aligned

with NATO, they're aligned with NATO as a precautionary measure to against Soviet expansion or former Soviet expansion or the threat of it. Doesn't it suck that you even have to think about this? It does suck, but we see it from here. But when you go and you talk to people in Finland and places that the Soviet Union did invade and didn't conquer and did force into their republic,

you know, in the USSRr they have a different view of it i mean you know it's like it depends on who you talk to yeah right and so it's like to your point it's very complicated over there it's like israel and palestine it is complicated it you have to go all the way back to the beginning because the jews made that land important to them for religious reasons because they used to be there so it's like you have to go all the way back to that in order to understand the conflict now. Isn't it wild though that from October 7th to January 18th, just a few months, it goes from horror and outrage at this terrorist attack on a rave, on a music festival, entering these people's homes and shooting them

and killing them and torturing them, sending them cell phone videos of you killing and torturing people to their families. It goes from that to death to the Jews. Just a couple of months. The Jews got sympathy for about a minute and 30 seconds. Just a couple of months. Yeah.

But then you see what they did to Gaza, and you go, yeah, that seems kind of crazy that's a little heavy that's bad it's very bad and i'm against all bad things it seems like they erased the city yeah like when you when you look at it now like from an overhead what it used to be versus what it is now have you seen that lately it's horrific it's crazy. It's horrific and it's bad. And those people could never, I don't think, live together. And you like, that's a, that's a blow that you don't shake off. You don't turn the other cheek. And that's what they're doing.

And that's why they're doing it. They're doing that going like, but it also, I think, makes Israel look really bad. Look at this. They leveled the whole place. I mean, this is like- Wait, are you sure it's not Aleppo though? Because I know a lot of times videos say it's Gaza and then sometimes it'll be Syria.

I think this is what I saw. Either way, they're bad. This is the Guardian. Yeah, so it's bad. This is the Guardian. Sometimes you just got to make sure. I think the Guardian's on it. Yeah.

This is insane, dude. It's insane. No, they leveled the whole place. It's so much. Yeah. So much damage. And's looks like apartment buildings Yeah, my brother that is crazy That's crazy. And if you watch the footage have you seen some of the bombs go off? Yeah, it's brutal

It's so crazy what they can do now with these bombs. They're so powerful Well, that's that you from the river to the sea, you're trying to say like that Palestinians are going to be repatriated. It's just, unfortunately, it's not going to happen. Like, and you can't pick and choose, right? You can't go, hey, you know, we want the Palestinians to get their homes back and get rid of the occupier. But then what about the Kurds? What about the Armenians? What about the Greeks in Antolia? I mean, the list goes on and on and on of people who've been pushed out of their homes and population exchanges. And what about the Greeks in Antolia? I mean, the list goes on and on and on of people who've been pushed out of their homes and population exchanges. And what about the Jews in Medina during the Muslim expansions?

What about the Jews in all the Muslim countries that were forced to flee when Israel founded? You just go on and on and on. It sucks. What about northern? What about Cyprus, northern Cyprus? That was illegally. It still was illegally invaded by Turkey after Turkey was formed. And then population exchanges happened there.

Like people hate each other. And there's a UN line of a peacekeeping zone between north and south Cyprus. They hate each other. The Greeks want them out. But innocent people aren't dying anymore. So it's like you got to find a real world solution. You can't just keep yelling about who's right and wrong and indicting Israel for things that other countries have done. Are we going to give back Texas now?

I mean, the list can go on and on and on. It's wrong, but it was wrong when the Romans kicked them out. You're going, oh, you're going 2,000 years back. Well, you're only going 400 years. I mean, so what's the difference? We're all going back. I mean, the Jews were there. I mean, yeah, the crazy religious zealots are fucking wanted because of Jerusalem.

And all these religions want Christians. Jerusalem's important. Islam is important. You ever seen those radical Christians that go on that journey to Jerusalem? Yeah. And I seen the radical Jews who spit on them, too. Wild stuff. Wild shit.

Yeah. But you got to find a real world solution. They spit on them as they walk by. Yeah, they just spit on them too. Wild stuff. Wild shit. Yeah. But you gotta find a real world solution. And the Jews spit on them as they walk by. Yeah, they just spit on the ground, yeah. People are fucking nuts. They're fucking out of their minds. Do you think that my thought about mind reading software,

universal language, fixes a lot of that stuff? Yes, it does. Fixes a lot of it. It does fixes a lot of it it does because i think what's happening to the palestinians unfortunately is they're being used by surrounding powers as sort of like frontline marines to keep this issue going to keep fighting against israel and america's uh encroachment in the middle east and they just use these people and um have you seen the terrific the border uh to egypt yeah it's more sealed than the one israel show the border to egypt yeah they don't let them in there either but it's so over the top it's crazy we need that in mexico

that is a dope get that go get trump to look at that yeah that's a real wall yeah good luck getting through that fucking wall yeah can you see you see you can find that Jamie? I Just saw an article about it where they were talking about how strict I Don't know the one I saw barbed wire all over it Yeah, they got that motherfucker locked up. It's a good question. It's a significant border. I mean, it's not...

How big is ours? We got a bullshit wall. Ours is... I mean, our wall or our border? Our wall. I don't know. The wall is bullshit. It's not...

If that many people can walk through your wall... I mean, imagine those are the White Walkers. Yeah, they would fucking... They'd kill everybody in Game of Thrones. If that many people can walk through your wall, I mean, imagine those are the white walkers. Yeah, they would fucking. They'd kill everybody in Game of Thrones. The boundary between Egypt and Israel stretches 206 kilometers, 128 miles along the eastern edge of the Sinai Peninsula, from the de facto trip point with Palestine, Gaza, to the Gulf of, how do you say that? Aqaba?

Aqaba. Aqaba? A-Q-A-B-A in the Red Sea. Egypt and Israel made peace like a long time ago, right? Like the 70s. Yeah. I think Egypt was the first country to go like, all right, we're done fighting.

Well, they were very close to making peace with Saudi Arabia. Yes. It was very close. That was happening, yeah. I think they have peace with Jordan too, right? So it's possible. The United States borders 1,954 miles. But how much wall do we have up? 20 miles.

We have such a bullshit wall. The wall is such bullshit. Dude, the left was so against the wall, and now I think a lot of the left is going like, yeah, just build that wall. Just don't tell anybody I told you. Especially the people that are living in New York where Governor Abbott is bussing

Yeah, Ecuadorians and by the fucking truck. Oh, dude, you see them you see them nice. I've seen them. I've seen migrants Yeah, nobody's nobody's into it. Yeah, nobody's into it the most left people nobody's Well, that's reality. They're in four-star hotels. They don't know what to do with I know a guy who works on it I know, uh, you know, he's, um, you know, he's a top level guy who, uh, is in the military and also NYPD. And he's working on that. And he goes, the scariest part is there's no plan. There's no plan. So they put them in hotels. Some of them are in the lobbies. They give them these food stipends. They go across the street to Arby's they eat, but there's no plan there's no they're just holding them there's no they keep coming in they just keep coming in some of them are going back now because they're going like we're not fucking also it's cold as fuck

it's cold as fuck you go to Chicago yeah the winner whoops but um and it's just and he goes here's the taxpayers are paying for them and he goes on the taxpayers are also paying for me doing overtime like I was assigned to this in addition to my usual assignments I was a scientist a lot of people who are doing this on an ad hoc basis it's an emergency situation and so the taxpayers are paying us all this overtime money so the taxpayers are getting looted and it's happened so fast and he's not a quacky guy I mean that's not a thing to say he's not a quack he's a very reasonable smart guy and when who what is the solution and it's this is how fast it's happened I was what we did

movie night the other night we watched made in Manhattan you ever watched that no Jennifer Lopez hot made yeah and Ralph Fiennes is a handsome politician, and she pretends that she's some socialite accidentally. It's like some thing. Anyway, it happens in the Roosevelt Hotel. The Roosevelt Hotel is where they have these immigrants. That's right. So that hotel is not a hotel anymore. It's a ritzy hotel in this film where it's a nice hotel.

It's a four-star hotel. Beautiful hotel. Well, now this hotel is flooded with immigrants imagine you own that hotel it's crazy I mean how does that work does the government just give you a contract you say I'll take it no this mayor gives you money not great either oh he's terrible he's better than the last guy which is even wilder

yeah I mean who knows he was out of his fucking mind but this guy's turning it. I mean, talk about plagiarism. His book, he had to remove his book. So he wrote a book. And, you know, I guess people are looking for this now. So it's like half the book is plagiarized or made up. None of it's true.

So he actually had to, like, pull his book. Oh, my God. because it's like all lies It's just happened he was all in favor for the sanctuary in the beginning the rich history of the Pakistani owned Roosevelt Pakistan owned Roosevelt Hotel in New York Pakistan International Airlines has leased one of its most valuable assets Roosevelt Hotel in New York the city's administration for a period of three years In order to raise money for its struggling economy. This happened in 2020?

So they're, for Pakistan's struggling economy, so they're leasing out the Roosevelt to the city so that they can have money? Yeah, because the city pays them. Yeah, the city pays them. But what about just running it as a hotel? Is that less profitable? It closed during, so their problem started with COVID. Oh. The city pays them. Yeah, the city pays them. But what about just running it as a hotel? Is that less profitable?

So their problem started with COVID. Oh. It was going to be going to them, so they had to find a way to make some money off it. Also, Airbnb has really hurt hotels. Yeah. In general. I bet. Yeah.

But not in Manhattan. In Manhattan, if you're in Manhattan, you get to stay in Manhattan. Yeah. COVID problem. If you're going to see Guns N' Roses at the Garden. You're not going to fucking stay in an Airbnb on Long Island. Or Kill Tony. Or go see Kill Tony. A lot of my friends do not. They prefer Airbnbs over hotels.

And I just find it crazy. Like almost the majority. I'd say 95%. Tim Dillon until they banned them. Yeah. I mean, I'm in one right now. An Airbnb. It's a nice.

I'm in a nice one. Some of them are great. They really have hurt the hotel business big time. Just like Uber hurt the taxi business. Huge, yeah. Yeah. Huge. I mean, it's also, it's a very interesting way to make money off of property.

Yeah. And it's significantly more, and you could just rent it out to different people on weekends. And if you have a really nice place, you can make a ton of loot. You can cover your nut. Yeah, that's right. You know, there's people that make money off Airbnb houses. It's a side business that's right it's the only thing preventing a black rock tank over and then real estate and weirdos set up cameras to watch you shit i'm actually was thinking that when i was in the airbnb i was looking for cameras i was like the odds are

i know a guy who could sweep it for you well i'm only there one more night one more night is enough you'd be whacking off with your socks off i haven't turned off in five days just because i'm worried about it crazy i did think about that though yeah you gotta do it in the shower yeah if you got a camera in the shower they're a real piece of shit yeah but that's where you'd want to put it yeah you'd want to put it in the bathroom or in the bedroom like overlooking the bed that's right yeah yeah there's an odd sprinkler above me that I'm like, what is that? It was one of the sons of one of the owners of Buc-ee's, which is the craziest gas station ever.

I know Buc-ee's, yeah. One of the sons got busted with a camera in the women's room. Oh, no. Was it the women's changing room? What was it? They have a changing room at Buc-ee's? I mean, for employees, maybe? Dude, what don't they have at Buc-ee's?

Yeah, exactly. You can buy lawn furniture, brisket sandwich. You can buy everything. Anything. What happened? 28 counts of recording. Crazy. Basic recording following disturbance at multiple residences associated with him.

What is he following? What is he following? What is he filming? A camera-led containing memory card loaded with dozens of videos capturing individuals in various states of undress in bedrooms and bathrooms. It wasn't at Bucky's. That's just his link. Oh, so he did it somewhere else? At his properties he has all over the city.

Oh. Dallas apartment, Telluride, Colorado, So Airbnb's in. So he was doing that. That's it. There's other companies other than Airbnb that have that same service? So brutal. Hilarious. Creep. It's creepy.

And the cameras are so small. Son of a rich man. Yeah, how do you make someone grow up normal when they grow up rich and privileged? It's tough. Good luck. The fate is usually DJ or drug addict for rich, famous kids. Uh-huh. Scary.

Yeah. Well, just being a regular person is hard. Yeah. Being a person when you grow up and your dad has a private jet and a yacht and owns an island. It's tough. And hangs out with Clinton. Yeah. You don't want to work for

anything you don't know what the value of anything is yeah it's been given you for free yeah you don't know how to work hard yeah i think athletics is a good way to teach kids how to do things it's do difficult things and you learn from them art anything where you have to like actually work at something you develop character from working at something yeah you teach your kids that right yeah developed character from working at something. Yeah. You teach your kids that, right? Yeah.

You're so good with time and balance. Like, because you're an involved dad. Yeah. How do you do it? Is it like, you plan it that way? Yeah. You have to work. You have to plan it. But I also only do stand-up for the most part three nights a week.

So four nights a week I'm always home. Yeah. Unless I have to do road stuff and sometimes i take them with me and we go on vacations together we we spend time together specifically we have like family days specifically it's hard you know and it's also they they want space too they're in school all day when they come home they want to decompress and you gotta know how to not be imposing but also talk to them about stuff and organize stuff to do make it fun you know we have a lot of fun together being a dad is the

it's just overwhelming yeah it's overwhelming how great it is it is great it made me like be like do i want to still do calm like i just want to be home with my kids and so the road got a little like i had this real crisis where i was like i want to be home i don't want to miss home with my kids and so the road got a little like i had this real crisis where i was like i want to be home i don't want to miss time with my kids because that's what my parents did to me and i'm like it's hard the balance is hard it's hard it's hard and i remember i even asked you privately and you were like no that is hard and you need to give me a solution i was like fuck i was hoping for an easy answer and you were just like no it is hard a friend of mine the other day was telling me that his son had uh some event, and he got an offer to do a gig in Calgary.

And I'm like, is it important to him? He goes, yeah, you could work anywhere. You don't have to do that weekend. I'd give it up in a second. I'll give the money. I don't give a fuck about the money. The thing is, is if you're barely getting by, if you're kind of like scratching and scraping, and you've got to pick and choose, is this advancing my career? Is this fucking me up is me not chasing my career gonna be a detriment to my family because now we're

gonna have a financial crisis yeah so there's that it's like just like you were talking about like people start making money and becoming famous they're terrified it's all gonna go away there's also when you're barely getting by you you realize, or you're getting by, but just like you're above water, but you realize one catastrophic thing and you're under and you're fucked. And then the house gets repossessed. And then you're staying with your mom. Your kids are together in one room. It's a real fear. If you got a mom, if you got a mom, what if you're in a shelter?

What the fuck man so it's like you have this this intense desire to be a provider and you know that you have to put in the work you have to you have to be successful like it made me way more successful like being responsible for little people and a wife and just the family thing like being responsible for stuff yeah and then now I'm responsible for like employees. You know, I can't just quit. Yeah. I just quit. Right.

You know, I have this whole club now, the podcast. What the fuck would Jamie do if I wasn't here? He'd be so bored. He'd be so bored. He'd get bored. He'd miss it. Of course he would.

He'd be Googling in the air out of nowhere with one hand. It's a real thing. It's a real transition when you have kids to and it's a real pressure. Well, it's a real yeah Life is finite. You have a finite time There's a you have a finite amount of time that's available to you living as an organism on earth That's a fact and I am already more than halfway through that. I'm halfway towards the end and you Have to maximize your time to the benefit of both yourself and everybody else around you That's what you got to do. You got to be as good a friend as you could be you got to be as good a

husband and as good of a father and as good of an employer as good of an and as good of a father and as good of an employer, as good of an employee, as good of a neighbor. You got to be the best you can be at all these different things. Just do your best to have the most positive impact on the people around you. You're going to fuck up. Everybody fucks up. We're humans.

Correct that as much as you can. Express yourself as best as you can. Be as nice as you can. Yeah. Try to facilitate and try to encourage fun and happiness and love. And that's possible. It's possible in the community of people that you find yourself in. And if you can't, you need to find a better community. Or you've got to be a better person.

You've got to be a better person. And also, you have to be a better person to attract a better community. Whenever I see someone single and they're like, oh, I can't find a person. What do you have to offer? Who are you? Are you a person that someone would gravitate towards? Are you particularly kind? Are you particularly friendly and generous?

What is it about you that you think you should have someone that makes your life better? Because you probably ruin their life. You're fucking dour. You complain all the time. You're so lazy. It's hard to say that to somebody But it would you know it's true. Yeah, yeah Let's go look at you dude the reason why you struggle because you and also you're stuck because you're struggling

You're probably tired all the time because you're depressed So it's very difficult to gather up the energy to make change to make like a radical change in your life to say today I'm gonna get up at 6 a.m. And I'm gonna go to that fucking yoga class and I'm always today I'm gonna get up at 6 a.m. And I'm gonna go to that fucking yoga class And I'm always saying I'm gonna get to that 630 yoga and then the alarm goes off like fuck that I don't really have to get up till 8 And I'm just going back to sleep or just go to that yoga class and then 8 o'clock rolls around and you're leaving you're leaving The yoga studio you got your rolled up mat here with those other people. They're all fucking did it. Everybody did it

We fucking did it. We got up early We did the 90-minute class and now I going to go to work and now I got some momentum, but it's hard to just make that first step. And that's one tiny little step in this gigantic journey of self-improvement. And if you don't take those steps at all, if you're that fucking dude that just gets at home and just medicated, watching Netflix, Uber Eats, eats wake up do it all over again you're gonna feel like shit well i think it's hard for people to take the first step i think because a big part of depression is feeling like it's going to last forever it's kind of the delusion that that feeling pitches you yeah it's a weird mindset where you everything is poisoned every thought you have is

poisoned with this negativity, and you start to actually think back at your life and think that it was all that way when it wasn't. It's hard to remember the good times. Yeah, when you're in a dark place, I think the thing to remember is that it doesn't, like suicide comes in your brain as like an escape hatch. It's like your fight or flight thing going like this is an escape.

It's trying to help. It's like when your immune system is overactive. It's like your fight or flight is overactive. So you have to remember that and just get getting help. People sometimes just don't get help because of shame or whatever. But it always ends. The bad always ends if you if you put the work in and remember that it doesn't last forever and that your thoughts are not there it's it's a delusion

you're in right now it's not real like it's your brain is playing a trick on you it's it's not a real it's not a reflection of reality it's a reflection of the way you feel and the way you feel is fucked up right now and that's changeable yeah but it's hard to realize of reality it's a reflection of the way you feel and the way you feel is fucked up right now and that's changeable yeah but it's hard to realize that when you're in it and that's why people struggle with it and they make uh you know unfortunate decisions and some people take their lives and stuff like that it's because they mistake it for something that's that's unchangeable that's ever present because that's the way it feels but feelings are not facts ask ben shapiro he seems to get in his feelings a lot yeah well it depends on if israel israel comes up

he's feeling he's a lot of feelings oh boy he's he's all in he's all in on feelings when it comes to that what a crazy world we're living in, Giannis Papas. It's gotten crazy, man. It's gotten crazy. You got a couple conflicts that you hope don't escalate and don't spill over. At least we still got shit talking. At least we still got a little stand-up comedy

and some cigars. Comedy helps people. Helps me. Yeah. I hang out with Tim Dillon for three hours. Even though he has a doom scenario that he's painting, it's hilarious. Oh, he's so funny with it. He's so good at ranting.

I love to just listen to him and let him go. Oh, yeah. He just goes. We have great times. He's the absolute best ranter about like current issues, with With no audience sunglasses on out of his fucking mind making great points and also being hilarious He is the best and he's original. He's absolutely original. He's been that way since the moment I met him I met him when he first started doing comedy one of the first shows he did was my room and He's been that way. That's who he is off stage. That's who he is on. All his

material comes from inside. A lot of people get their material. It looks like cool Mo D. Skull and bones sucks now. Give me some of this. They're doing like diversity, equity and inclusion in the Illuminati. Skull and bones, which is used to be just let's get a bunch of people that show that they can carry on uh the tradition of being a sociopath that's what skull and bones is about it's like finding rich people that have a skill set that makes them look like maybe that maybe maybe they can be sociopaths. And it's at Yale University. The CIA started. It was taken

right out of Skull and Bones. Okay? So many bonesmen have risen to positions of prominence and power. Presidents, CEOs, we get it. A lot of white guys. A lot of white guys. a lot of white guys.

They would jerk off in the coffins. It was very Nazi. I think George W. Bush stole Geronimo's skull, and it was in the tomb. There's all this secret shit in the tomb. He bleeped it? No. Yeah, he did because it's a short. Oh, yeah, yeah.

So if you bleep it, it cuts through the algorithm? Yes. Is that what it is? Yes. Oh, my gosh. They don't want it. It's cursing in the first 10 or 15 minutes or something. Oh, they're fucking you.

They're getting you to self-censor. Even Tim Dillon has to beep things. Yeah. He's a guy. He sits. He thinks. The material comes from his perspective. It's inside.

A lot of guys search around. They look outside, and they go, oh, I like that idea. And then they go, let me change it a little bit this way. He's actually got opinions. He's got opinions, he's got perspective. And he can come up with material on his own. A lot of guys who end up taking stuff, they struggle, they're very good performers,

but they struggle with coming up with material on their own. Well, it's because the very mindset that allows you to be creative is the opposite of the mindset that would make you plagiarize that's right yeah and some guys are really good at marketing and that's a big thing now um and um you know i've known a lot of people in advertising mostly advertisers they look at creative people get the ideas and then make a commercial about it and a lot of it's borrowed

from you know actual artists so it's the same kind of mindset yeah and it works and then when you take an idea you it's easier because you. And it works. And then when you take an idea, it's easier because you can see it works. Right. You already have confidence in it. You already have confidence in it when it's going in. Well, that's why the comics that get busted, their specials after that are always terrible.

Right. Because the material falls off a cliff. They got to come up with their own stuff. They're fucked. Yeah. They're fucked. So I always think if you make it and you're a fraud, you don't really make it because it's not you.

Right. And that must not feel great it sucks they live in hell janice poppins you're the fucking man i love you to death thank you thanks for having me tell everybody where they could find you social media yeah um jazz yeah please follow me uh janice pappas wherever you do also come see me on the road please do you mind if i plug a date or two some motherfucking date yes please janicepappas.com oh i put it on the airplane, please. Do you mind if I plug a date or two? Plug some motherfucking dates. Yes, please. Giannispapas.com. Oh, I put it on airplane mode out of respect for you. Oh, here we go.

Miami Improv, January 19th of 2021. Cobbs Comedy in San Francisco. Good luck, fucker. February 9th and 10th. Have you been there lately? I haven't, but I'm having the plane land in the club and then sleeping in the club. There's a shitload of stuff. Atlanta.

San Diego. San Diego. San Diego. Stanford, Connecticut. Vic Theater in Chicago. Denver Improv. Toronto. I'm going to shoot my special. I'm shooting my special at the Royal Theater in Toronto March 23rd, 24th.

Oh, shit. Yeah, Cleveland and then the rest. That's good. Beautiful. San Francisco, come see me. Yeah, please. Rational people. And my podcast, The Honest Pappas Hour.

Yes, sir. Thank you, brother. Thank you. All right. Bye, please. Rational people. And my podcast, The Honest Pappas Hour. Yes, sir. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Bye, everybody.