The Joe Rogan Experience - #2095 - Moshe Kasher

Episode Date: January 31, 2024

Moshe Kasher is a stand-up comic, actor, writer, and co-host of podcast "The Endless Honeymoon" with Natasha Leggero. His latest book, "Subculture Vulture: A Memoir in Six Scenes," is available now. www.moshekasher.com

The Joe Rogan Experience Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day Are we rolling? Yeah, let's roll. They want to save the universe and then they want to fuck everyone's wife. Oh yes, yes. It always begins. Yeah, yeah. The dimensional portal will open and then it ends with, you can't fuck your wife anymore, but guess who can yeah What happens is first they start stockpiling guns. Yes. Yeah, it seems like

cult leaders have to have guns because their faith in their ability to see the universe and all the good and everything is Not quite good enough. You need an AR you need an AR to really get your point of view You need maybe some flash grenades need an AR to really get your point across. You need maybe some flash grenades. I mean, it is interesting. It doesn't feel like, it feels like

I wouldn't do that. If you were running a cult? Well, I wouldn't fuck your wife and make you, like, worship me. I would just,

Well, you're a very nice guy. I'm one of the nicest guys in America. You're a very nice guy. I don't know anyone who doesn't like you, by the way.

Is that true? Yes. I've never met anybody like, that guy's a dick. Oh, that's really cool. No one. I love that. Everybody likes you.

You're a nice guy. I like, thank you. You're a nice guy, too. Thank you. Yeah. I have made that a mark on my life. I want to be a good guy. Yes.

It's a good thing to do. I try really, I work at it really hard. Well, you see people, by the way, and you see that they've made a decision. Yeah. Like, I met Sting, and I go, okay, Sting at some point along the line decided I'm going to be like awesome. Yeah. That's going to be my thing. I'm going to do yoga every day.

Yeah, I'm going to come forever. He doesn't come. Right, he doesn't come. He always comes. Yeah. He's like one of these guys. No, what I'm saying is he was so nice when I met him that he released. Oh, wow, interesting.

Yeah. So sweet. I have it at home in my office as a little jar of stink gum. When he goes, he probably really goes. I think, what is the deal with that tantric? That's why he says don't stand so close to me. Because he blasts you away. The tantric thing, they're supposed to have an internal orgasm. They're supposed to absorb it internally.

Right. I've never, I'm too lazy. Well, it takes time. Yeah. You have to discipline yourself. And then you can never I'm too lazy. Well it takes time. Yeah. You have to like discipline yourself and then you can cum forever I guess. It seems like you're thinking about your cum too much. That does seem like it. Spending so much time doing that. A lot of time

focused on cum. I mean there's probably a benefit in it but every benefit that you get off of something that's a difficult endeavor is a detriment to something else. What do you think the detriment oh just your mental energy. Just the amount of your time you're thinking about your jizz.

It's fucking weird. I mean, it's like, you know, I mean, I guess you could say that about a lot of things though, right? You could say that about like people who bodybuild. You could say that about, you know, maybe you're thinking too much about one thing. Well, I guess that's like kind of,

in a way that's what this, this book that I just wrote is, is about, is about these like little, your book, these little, you wrote a book, dude.

Congratulations. Thank you very much. Very, um, very impressed. And also very, very like proud of people who write books. Cause I know this is a,

this is a fucking task, man. It's an endeavor, but it's one that I like a lot of standups really really don't like it and they feel like it's homework. I like, on stage, I do a lot of crowd work. That's kind of my thing. And this is the creative opposite of crowd work. It's not just your material.

It's like mega your material. It's like you're a monk kind of creating a thing or whatever. You should write a book. I have thought about it many times. And I had a deal to write one once. material it's like you're you're you're a monk kind of creating a thing or whatever like you should write a book i have thought about it many times and i had a deal to write one once but as i was writing it they were trying to get me to write it like stand-up and they wanted me to write it in a way that like was funny like you'd be on stage like how much laughs would you want per minute on stage which i kind of don't really think about even stand up that much i just try to i cut out the bullshit i edit things you know economy of words with bits but i don't think like how many laughs i have per minute they were like very specific about it

and then they said how about this why don't you just transcribe your stand up and i was like listen i have a very different idea of what i want to write than you do so I'm going to give you your money back yeah I gave him the money back and I said I'm I'm just gonna if I'm gonna write something I'm gonna write it on my own and I did for a little while then I stopped but it was a lot of it it was just like I only have so much time to write and I would rather write about ideas that I'm going to do on stage but I do have an idea about my time I've been working on it a little bit lately. So I'm thinking about actually going forward with this. It's about my time when I was in my really early 20s

and I discovered pool halls. Oh yeah? I saw the two pool tables. I didn't know you were a big pool guy. Yeah, I'm obsessed. Yeah. Yeah. If I'm not, if I'm like for like my empty my brain time,

I watch professional pool matches. Is that right? Yeah. Oh, interesting. You like those tricks? A lot of them I watch them with, no, no, I hate professional pool matches. Is that right? Yeah. Oh, interesting. You like those tricks? A lot of them I watch. No, no, I hate trick shots. That's bullshit.

That's bullshit. Okay. That's what I was going to say. It's cool. It's cool that you can do it, but I don't care. Do you like The Hustler? Oh, it's a great movie. That's a good movie.

That's a great movie. That's a great movie just as a movie. The Color of Money is as well. Aren't they connected? Yes. Yeah. Same guy, Walter Tevis, who also wrote The Queen's Gambit. Oh, interesting.

About that amazing chess player. She was an orphan. That's right. That's a great series. That series is really good. But that Walter Tevis guy was amazing. He wrote The Hustler is really like a psychological drama as much as it is about Poole. Yeah.

I saw it a long time ago. I don't quite remember it, but I remember it that it's great. Yeah, I could literally say every word by heart. This pool hall that I used to hang around at in White Plains, New York, they used to play it on the television all the time. In the pool hall? In the pool hall, yeah. My friend Steve, who was the guy who ran the desk,

who administered, gave people the balls, ran the desk, who, you know, ran, you know, administered, gave people the balls, assigned your tables and stuff. He used to just put that motherfucker on, like, every time we were there. We'd never get enough of that. So what was your thing? You go into the pool halls when you were, how old were you?

Well, I was like 20, when I really started playing, I think I was like 23 or 24, somewhere around then. And it was just my me and my friend john who was also a comic we we went into this pool hall just for fun and you know we were just bored during the day well let's go play pool neither one of us knew how to play pool we were terrible you know like we'd played a couple of times right and then um we just stumbled into this pool hall that had this insane array of characters all these people that were criminals and hustlers and homeless people and people who lived in flop houses and people who

were fucking insane gambling addicts that would bet on raindrops coming down a window pane they bet on fucking anything man they want they just wanted action and you were teens walking in there what's that you guys were teenagers no no we were about i was john's a little older than me i think i was 23 or 24 somewhere around then it's like well yeah like 90 so yeah i was probably like 23 and i just remember thinking like this is a whole world that I didn't know existed, this weird bachelor culture. And apparently it emerged really in America in the early 1900s. In the early 1900s in New York City, there were hundreds and hundreds of pool halls,

hundreds of them. And they were filled with these men that were disconnected from society. A lot of them had returned from wars. A lot of them had gotten out of prison. And it was during the depression, there was a lot of illegal activity and people did whatever the fuck they could. And these men would gather in these pool halls. And they were some of the wildest people i've ever encountered in my life i watched a guy who had just gotten out of jail play chess uh with his just with words just saying where the pieces moved with a 16 year old kid who was a chess genius he wasn't even moving the pieces he was no there's no pieces oh they were playing mind chess mind chess oh wow i was like

so some commander data shit these are exceptional people that just happen to never plug into regular society what's like that dude in malcolm x's autobiography the guy that like he ran all the numbers in his mind and he never forgot a single one and malcolm x said like he could have been like a mathematical genius or a statistical professor or whatever, but instead he was like a hustler He used that genius to be on the streets There's some people that have genius power that they apply to an art form, but they could have applied it to anything like Jay-z Jay-z doesn't write any of his lyrics right right if you read Jay-z's lyrics. They don't seem ad-lib They seem like really well structured and written and like funny

and like sharp. There's so many of them. Like how? How are you remembering all this? That's why people call me the Jay-Z of comedy. You've heard that before. You've never heard a person not say that about me. I haven't heard it yet. It's coming down the pike. It hasn't gotten here yet. You know there's a pool hall in LA by the way. Really?

There's almost none when I left. There's one in K-Town that you go there. Okay, that makes sense. A lot of Koreans play pool. Yeah, you walk in and you walk into one of them, if you're white, and they're like, uh-uh. And you're like, what? I want to play pool. They're like, uh-uh. Next two doors

down. They're allowed to do that. They're like, uh-uh. Well, they do whatever they want. They have their own rules. And then you walk down and that's where the white people are playing pool. But it's the same owner. Oh, that's hilarious. But by the way, you cannot complain. No one will listen.

Yeah, nobody gives a shit. If you're a fucking white guy and you can't get into a pool hall and they have a pool hall for white guys, like, shut the fuck up, dude. There's robberies going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got no time for you. People are shooting people. The LAPD.

Why are you whining? I was rejected access to a Korean pool hall. It feels very wrong. Yes, I want someone to intervene immediately. This is horrible. I am a white male. Maybe if you work your way up through the pool tables in the white one, then they'll adopt you into the Korean one. If they know you, maybe.

They're probably gambling. That's probably what a lot of it is. I would have a right. The word pool comes from pooling money together. Really? The game is called pocket billiards. It's not called pool. That's probably what a lot of it is. I would have. Oh, right. The word pool comes from pooling money together. Really? The game is called pocket billiards. It's not called pool. That's really interesting.

So it was just a gambling game for the people that had returned from. No, it was a game, right? Yeah. But I think all games eventually evolve into gambling. Right. People gamble on basketball all the time. People gamble on fights all the time. Like fighters will gamble against their opponents. People gamble. They all the time. People gamble on fights all the time. Like fighters will gamble against their opponents.

People gamble. They like to gamble. It makes things more exciting because now there's money on the line as well as pride and everything else. Are you allowed to bet on fights? I am not. You are not allowed to. I am not allowed to. Now.

When did that happen? It's a recent rule that came about because apparently there is an allegation that one of the UFC trainers, I want to be real clear about this because I actually like this guy a lot and I think he's a super talented trainer and I do not know if this is true. So I won't even say his name. But one of these trainers was apparently aware of injuries and then informing a group of people online who are betting. So they're saying like, hey, this guy's got something wrong with him. Right. He's not going to win this fight. And then all the money would go on the opponent and then they would rake it in.

And this happened allegedly on fighters that he was training or people that he knew. It's like insider stock trading. It's similar. Yeah. It's fishy also because it gives the possibility that fights are dives. You know, when a coach is betting against their fighter or giving other people information against their fighter, if that's happened, I don't know if it happened again, I just want to be real clear, it's allegedly.

If that's the case, that's kind of like it's next door neighbor to a dive. And that is the last fucking thing we want in mixed martial arts is fixed fights. Right. Which is weird because it's owned by the same people that own WWE now. Right. It's kind of crazy. They've had a good week. It's a great week.

Yeah, it's a good week to be in the WWE. Yo, dude, that Vince McMahon is wild. That boy's out there. I read this. I couldn't get through the text messages. I started trying to read them, and I was like, I don't want to read. This is like poison. But the thing is, when I see that dude with his shirt off, he's 80 years old, he's got a chain around his neck.

What, are you shocking me with this information? Don't you think it takes a lot to get that guy going? You're saying he needed to send all those text messages to get aroused at that age? I think he probably needs a lot just for stimulation. Listen, he's a billionaire. He's been running pro wrestling for fucking decades. He's

world famous CEO of this giant fucking multinational company, pro wrestling company. He's also in pro wrestling. He gets out there and competes. He does it. Yeah, I guess. Or, you know, performs, let's just say.

At a certain point, I guess, if you're that through the looking glass of reality, like you become a heel in life. Life is heel and everything is a match. Yeah, if you're going to be really successful at putting together pro wrestling, probably be pro wrestling all day long. You got to stick with it. Yeah, like stay be pro wrestling all day long. You gotta stick with it. Yeah, like stay in it all fucking day long. Don't go read Nietzsche at the end of the day.

Don't be reading Carl Jung's thoughts on flying saucers. Get the fuck out of here. Drink beer and go fuck. That's what you should be doing. You're on the road. I want you to Ric Flair it until the fucking wheels come off. They do come off too.

Well, yeah, on almost all of them. The only one who hasn't is The Rock. The Rock is in remarkably great condition. Obviously huge and massive and muscles and everything. But mobile. He can do things. Like, we worked out together. That's interesting.

I wonder, because he also seems like kind of the most, he's one of those dudes who's got, like, what you're talking about, genius level. He could have been anything. Sure. He's kind of got one of those dudes who's got like what you're talking about genius level he could have been anything sure he's kind of got one of those mega iqs feeling like well he's got a mega discipline that's what he has right and if he applied that to intellectual endeavors he would be a mega genius it's like i think they're we want to think that they're not connected but i think they are and i think like a michael jordan or someone who gets that good at basketball could get that good at anything. It's just they don't apply themselves in that area because that's, I think it's just exceptional people. Well, you know, there's that weird idea. Apparently this is proven that the difference between a world championship runner and the number five is like less than a second.

Their speed, right? I mean, the difference between the Olympian and the guy that doesn't make the podium is so, it's just infinitesimally small. And then the reason that the person wins is because they believe. It's not even a physiological thing. It's like a confidence thing.

Unless you're running against Usain Bolt. Right. We'll take him out. We'll take him out. What you believe. Because then there's genetics. Genetics are real too. Well, genetics is probably, I would guess, is what gets you to the stage in the first place. It gets you on the track.

It exists intellectually too. There's boundaries. I have limitations. I have certain limitations intellectually. At a certain level, I just check out. Sure. But I am friends with some insanely brilliant people that scare the shit out of you But like if I talk to Eric Weinstein, I'm like, what are we even the same thing? Right? What are right? We're not the we're barely the same thing

You know when you really see that kind of genius is when they start talking to you in a way you'll understand you go Oh, so you wrote that book that I can't even comprehend but you're also Conversationally But you're also conversationally able to help me. Eric doesn't even try. He doesn't even try with that. He leaves you behind. He does sometimes. I try to tell him, like, you got to help us out here.

But it's just because that's how he thinks and that's how he communicates. It's like if you're going to talk about comedy to someone who doesn't do comedy, you'd probably just start talking like a comic. Right. This is what we do. This is how we do it. I'm not going to, like, I can't hold your hand too long. You're 40 years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just explain how I do it. Yeah. Either get it or you don't get it. On that pool thing, though, when you walked into that pool hall and saw, like, bam, this is another universe, to me, like, that's the experience of my life over and over again. That is what the book is about, like these momentary portals into another universe you know where somebody taps you on the shoulder and goes like walk over here it's like luke skywalker right like he's this weak powerless kid on dantooine or whatever and uh and then all

of a sudden obi-wan kenobi's there's it goes look there's a whole other universe here will you show everybody your shoes because i think those are luke skywalker shoes that's what i was gonna say i love them. I couldn't remember the name of the planet, though. When you said Dantooine. You think these are Dantooine shoes? Yeah, for sure. These are cool.

Joe came in and almost liked them. I felt pretty good about that. They're unusual. I love that you wear them. They look great with white slacks or tan slacks. Are those white or tan? This is so close to a compliment. It's a compliment.

You have a style. You have a style. You have a certain style. They're the most comfortable shoes. Chain out too. Look at you. Chain out. Yeah, always. Chain out all day.

If I'm coming to Joe Rogan, I'm taking the chain out. Let's go. Let's freaking go. Let's freaking go. I say let's freaking go for the kids. Yeah, let's freaking go.

Let's freaking go, guys. What's less offensive? Freaking or freaking? Like if you're around an old lady. I think freaking is more fun for an older lady. Right. Let's friggin' go, guys. What's less offensive, friggin' or freaking? Like, if you're around an old lady. I think freaking is more fun for an older lady. Right. It's not offensive at all.

Because she's an old freak herself. Maybe. She might just be an old freak herself. She might be an old prude that hung in there. I've never understood the concept of censoring yourself for an older person. Respect. They've heard the thing. Right.

But the idea is that every- They shot Nazis. That is true. But that every generation gets more and more desensitized to bad words. Oh, yeah. That's fair. Which is 100% true. Yeah.

I can see that for sure. Like my kids say things that I would have never said in front of my parents. Oh, in front of you. Yeah. But you're also, you're you. So you've created a persona where swearing is, it'd be funny for you to be uptight about swearing. It is funny.

I bet you did though when you had little kids, right? No, I never was. My wife was a little bit, but not bad. And I was like, listen, we have to just tell them that you can't say these words in front of other people, but they're just words. Right. The only thing, words are a sound you make so I know what you're thinking. Right.

That's all it is. And to make words good or bad is fucking stupid. But there's a lot of things you're going to learn that are stupid in the world. But here's the rules. But around the house, they'll use them for funny. And it's hilarious. It's like you're raising comics because we all talk like comics. They'll talk shit, you know, and it's fun.

Totally. I had a conversation with my daughter the other day. I sat her down. I go, okay, honey, you're funny. And with great power comes great responsibility. I go, you're going to have great power comes great responsibility i go you're gonna have to figure out how to how to like where the line is because people who are funny take it from me yeah walk through the world offending people because they think they're being funny

and they've gone like a step too far in personal interactions that's your job now and it's also like when you're doing that like people have to understand like why why would you have said that like i didn't know i was gonna say it while I was saying it. Completely. There's a thing that you're doing when you're creating, specifically when you're ad-libbing, where if you're on stage, you're ad-libbing. You are literally like, you've got these missiles that are coming into silos, and you're like, launch it, launch it, launch it.

You're not even looking at the missile. It's like your mind says, maybe you can connect that to this go and sometimes it's just like it's a dud oh and sometimes you're up on stage and you go oh i've oh that was the end yeah i wish that that missile that missile i shot myself destroyed the village and everybody in it i've definitely had that experience but yeah there was that moment on my on my my crowd work album crowd surfing where I heard myself When I was listening back to it I was riffing one riff and in that riff switched back and did the better riff like that's a pretty Speaking of like the way the brain works. Yeah, it's like a home. That's a honed brain that comics have well

You've got that you've done that exercise over and over and over and over again so you get like super comfortable in that pocket of Crowd work like big J. Oakerson is amazing at that one of the best. He's one of the best ever at that He's just so Andrew Schultz is as well. They're just so comfortable There's a fucking hilarious when that Schultz just put out of He's talking to some guy in in the audience who brought a date and the date turns out to be a trans woman and it's just hilarious but fun light-hearted positive it's really cool it's very skillfully done right now it's a skin and the whole audience loved it it was like they loved it it was it was great well that's how I think of crowd work when it goes really well

Everybody's having a good time. Yes. It's like a gift It's like a gift to the crowd because they know in their mind I will this moment will not be reek This was for me, right? This was a gift this comic gave me tonight and it will never exist again except in tik-tok form Hopefully it'll go viral a million times forever Well that I always think about that when everybody's blowing up on these crowd work clips is like how many magical moments but there's something beautiful about this too how many magical moments you you offered on stage in the pre-digital kind of upload everything era where you're just like it was just momentary it was just an offering to that moment yeah there's something really beautiful about that i love that i think that's like it's important i think the artificial reality of digital

life there's certain people that want to fucking film everything they want to film every conversation they have look i'm here with this let's let's put this on the gram will you tag me in this like stop it's it's a wild you gotta. I saw a guy the other day, his thing is he goes to fine dining restaurants and screams at the top of his lungs. That's his career. Oh my God. Did you see the guy that got arrested

that was just dumping shit on people? Now that I respect. He dumped a whole bucket of shit on some guy that was like on a train. Just shit. Down his back. Yeah. And then what he said, it's a prank. It's like, no, we and in you know i mean i think we were talking about it i said i think it

might be bioterrorism because there's something like shit human shit is like really dangerous that is definitely biohazard for sure like humans are gross like our our fucking gut bacteria if that gets in a cut if human shit gets in a cut you better wash the fuck out of that talk about going viral what we're going viral this joke is landing exactly where i wanted it to viruses yeah yeah literally please don't write in that's where plague comes from from uh early days it was a lot of it was like terrible hygiene and terrible sanitation and no running water. So people were just shitting in the streets. They were shitting in buckets and throwing out the streets.

There's human feces everywhere. Do you know why people think perhaps the Jews didn't suffer as much in plague other than conspiracy theories that they started it during the Black Plague? There was a conspiracy theory way back then that they did it? I'm pretty sure, yes. I don't know where that rumor would have come from. that they started it during the Black Plague. There was a conspiracy. There was way back then they did it? I'm pretty sure, yes. I don't know where that rumor would have come from. So how did they survive it? So Jews, when they eat a meal,

every single meal with bread, always wash their hands. It's a part of the ritual. It's a ritualistic thing. You wash your hands before you eat bread. And people didn't really do that because germ theory wasn't people didn't know about germ theory they didn't understand the correlation between washing your hands and eating and so jews would always wash their hand before every meal and that is how apparently they they

sidestepped some of the the ravages of the plague do you think that that a lot of the religious rules like washing your hands it has to be based on some ancient understanding of where diseases come from like think about no pork right right the trichinosis yeah yeah it's ubiquitous in porks right in porks and pigs and pigs and bears in mountain lions they all have it like it's like a giant percentage of bears have it, a giant percentage of pigs have it, especially wild pigs. So that would prevent you from ever getting that. Let's just say, don't cook it to 147 degrees. I don't know what the fuck that means.

I don't know when the right way to cook it. It kills people. Let's stop eating that. And then shellfish, same deal, red tide. All sorts of other bacteria that you can get. What about mixing linens and wools or whatever that's weird one, but like the the shellfish one people die of oysters I just read about someone dying from a raw oyster. It's super rare. I still eat them Yeah, which is a really stupid thing to do

You know like they're eating oysters if they can fucking every one out of a million people gets whacked by an oyster I didn't I did not know that. Yeah, somebody died just recently. And now I'm rethinking my oyster consumption. My kid eats live sea urchin. She's more adventurous eater than I am. Yeah, I love it. Straight out of the carcass.

Damn, that is adventurous. It's moving a little bit. That's my favorite sushi. Man dies after contracting vibrovulnificious bacteria from fresh oysters in Texas restaurants. It's right here. Oh, shit. You're going to...

No, you're good. The consumption of raw oysters at a Texas restaurant led to an untimely death of a relatively healthy... Relatively is a weird word for a dude in his 30s. You know, like, what are we talking about here? Relatively healthy. What are you trying to say? It's a lot of editorial from USA Today.

It is relatively healthy. I wouldn't say. Hold on, Jamie. The man contracted a bacterial infection known as Vibrovulnificius. He's my favorite techno DJ. It sounds like a good one, like from like Germany or somewhere, that thrives in warm coastal waters. So it's like local bacteria. I think you're good though, Joe.

If he died and you said it's one every millionth oyster, he ate the oyster. It's probably more than one every million. Oh, look, the guy lost his toes. Oh, this is not good. I do not want fibrovulcaniflacaninus. Is it a flesh-eating bacteria? Those are weird. You hear about those in the news every now and again. Fresh flesh-eating. Ah, it is a a flesh-eating bacteria? Those are weird. You hear about those in the news every now and again.

Fresh flesh eating. Ah, it is a fucking flesh-eating bacteria. God damn it. You hear about those. I don't want one. No. That's my official stance on this. I heard about a kid that ate a slug as a dare.

You read that story? Paralyzed in Australia. Super brutal. Oh, horrible. And then you start, I warned my kid, I go, don't eat slugs. But it's like, she's going to do some other terrible thing that I can't think of. Right, you never can protect them fully, nor should you. That's the unfortunate thing.

It's like you've got to, they have experienced a certain amount of like falling down. Right. It's part of the process. But I did tell her, don't eat slugs. Don't eat slugs. The other day we were on the beach, though, and my neighbor had a lobster trap out. And he took out his lobster trap, and he was undoing it, and there was this undulating piece of seaweed. I go, I think there's something alive in there.

And we shook it off, and it was a full, giant octopus. It was the coolest. And my kid reached in and grabbed the octopus, like, just like it was her friend. She was like, baby octopus, my friend. It will bite the fuck out of you. That's what we found out. Every octopus is is venom. Oh, she didn't get bit every octopus is venomous and not most of them Can't kill you but every one of them has a beak that will fuck you up. Yeah, they're all beak But he was very cool. Do you know they kill them when they catch him? No, they bite their heads

Who who they fishermen they physically bite fishermen physically bite their head like right where the brain stem is and then they change color And that's how you know they're dead. Yeah, they become pink they come white whoa Yeah, they just when you see an octopus in the wild you're seeing how well they can camouflage themselves. Yeah, totally fucking insane Yeah, it's great sure everything they can look exactly like whatever the fuck they're near whether it's coral or Rubble on the ground they literally near whether it's coral or rubble on the ground they literally blend in it's it's insane it's amazing but when you bite them all that shit goes away you like me yes do you have any like weird feelings about like an animal at a certain level of intelligence yes like octopus to me i don't want to eat a monkey right well a monkey's yeah

that's very intense yeah let's see watch he's gonna bite the octopus so this guy caught this octopus and he's gonna bite it see where he bites it and then the thing immediately goes he bites it like right where the eyeballs are and then it immediately dies this is the system by which you get octopus at a restaurant is just some guy biting the brainstem of an octopus i do not know but i think this is just individuals that are sport fishing They're doing it for food. They're just getting that octopus delicious. They're smart though aren't they? Too smart. Yeah, it bothers me. I feel like you're eating an alien. I feel like I might stop eating octopus There's animals that are really- pigs are really fucking smart. Right, pigs are smart. They're really smart

You're right. That's where it starts to get weird because it's weird. So the crows Crows will bring you gifts and they'll warn you that the cops are coming There's this guy he found this crow. It was in the water. Maybe the guy might have been a woman I'm not sure but anyway, there was a some tick-tock video about it and this person found this crow picked it up at the paddle It was in the water like drowning Put it in the boat and then took it home and nursed it back to health and Then the the crow would just hang out with her And they're like loyal petting the crow with a brush and she put the brush back on the shelf Then the crow flew over the shelf grabbed the brush brought it back and said no no keep petting me. There's a

There's like a whole mechanism on how to get the crow to like you, too. Really? You start doing a certain, I think it's leaving it gifts, and then it will go, oh, this person gives gifts. Then it will start bringing you gifts. And then if you keep going, it will start attacking your enemies. Yes. Your neighbors will come over and be like, what's up, Joe? And then the crow will come down and attack.

Yeah, this guy, Dan Flores, who was on the podcast podcast before had essentially trained a crow by leaving it food Every day and he would go on a walk with his dog and the crow would hang out with them Would it fly it was fly next room? Oh, yeah, right right next to him and hang out with them plop down and it would you know go looking for him I liked him. I had a friend who was a falconer. Do you know about these guys? I'm sure you do. Do you know how they catch him? It's no well basically they catch them they catch them in the wild uh they like leave some some food out and they catch them with a trap in the wild but then they take them home this blew my mind they take them home and they put them in a dark room for like multiple days and they walk into the dark room with one

of those weird gauntlets or whatever that are made by the same people that make my boots and they have just meat on their hand and they just sit there for hours in a dark room with a with a an owl or a hawk or whatever and over the course of a week the the the the bird will get closer and closer and then start nibbling and then start eating and at that point it's yours and now it's now it's your falcon whoa isn't that crazy so it just rewires their brain yeah to be like this guy's got the food so when so now when he lets me go to hunt for the rat or whatever i'll come back to the gauntlet this crazy trap they used to get him huh and every falcon that a falconer has is caught captured in the wild really they're not like

bread or whatever they they just capture them and then they do this weird thing where they train them and then they let them go after a few years of service. When I was in Scotland, there was this lady who was, she trained a variety of birds.

But she trained owls and falcons. And so she had a falcon there and she said, the problem with the falcon is when they let it go, it just fucks things up. It just flies,

it just finds another bird and kills it. Like she, like every time she lets it go, something and kills it it's just like an it's violent oh it's the worst it's a monster right it's just a killing machine it doesn't matter if it's hungry or not it's just flying around looking to fuck things up she said the owl is the second dumbest bird in the wild really yeah isn that crazy? How did they get the wise thing? Someone got a good PR agent and they just got ahead of it. Owl baby, it's me. Owls are dumb.

She said owls are dumb. She said the really smart ones are like falcons are very smart. Crows are the smartest. But the only thing that's dumber than an owl is emus. Emus are dumber. They're so big you'd think that they would have big brains. They don't have to be right There's shut the fuck up give me the food right right so big they Are freaks I would say freaks of nature they shouldn't exist the emu have you eaten emu no of you No, but I think people do eat it the ostrich I've had ostriches and it's Fuddruckers at Fuddruckers

They have ostrich Fuddruckers used to at Fuddruckers. At Fuddruckers they have ostrich? Fuddruckers used to serve an ostrich burger. It was really good. It was good. Yeah, it was fantastic. What's the best game? I think elk. I think elk is the most delicious.

That's my favorite. Yes. But there's a lot of really good ones. Axis deer, which are very prevalent here in Texas. They're from India. They're really delicious. Yeah, but bison. Bison's very delicious. But They're from India. They're really delicious. But bison, bison's very delicious. But

they're very lean. If you're going to eat just those things, you've got to make sure you get an adequate amount of fats along with them. You eat moose? I eat moose. What's up with moose? Moose is delicious. Moose is delicious. Seems greasy. No, not at all. No, not even a little. What's the worst thing? No, they're very lean.

You get a funky pig. You get a funky pig. You get a wild pig. I've met one of those in my life. I shot a wild pig that was kind of funky. A javelina. That one was odd. I ate a javelina. When you kill an animal, do you feel bad?

I don't feel good. I feel good that it's successful, but you don't feel good when you look down at the dead animal. It's like a guilty thrill kind of? Well, you're thankful. Right, right. You're thankful that, I mean, it's a very different connection with food when you've been there and harvest it and when you actually go in the wild. go into the wild. So it's one thing if you have a farm and you raise a cow and you kill the cow and you eat the cow, you have a connection with that food that's very different than me who just goes

to a supermarket and buys a steak. It's another level of that when you're going into the woods with a bow and arrow and you're climbing mountains and you're going eight, 10 miles a day. It's like you swoop into their universe. A hundred percent. It's like you walkop into their universe. A hundred percent. It's like you walk through the portal into their universe and just blip them out of it. And I'm not the only one there. And that's when it gets scary.

You mean there's other predators. Right, right. You meet bears out there. There's real shit out there. Right. That is capable of killing a deer with its face. Right. And a hunter from behind.

Yes. Right. And a hunter from behind. And. And a hunter from behind. And a stealthy hunter that you're not going to hear until it's too late. Have you ever felt that? I've seen them. I've never been stalked by one. The biggest one I ever saw was actually inside of a car.

I saw inside like two years ago. I was with my friend Colton and he goes, look at the cat. He stops the truck and it's at dusk, like right when the sunlight's going down. And I see these glowing eyes under a tree. And we're about 30 yards away from it. And I have binoculars. So I put up my binoculars to look at it up close. It was fucking terrifying. Mountain lion.

Huge one. Yeah. A huge male. Like 170 plus pounds. Just massive muscles. The muscles were so impressive. Like his forearms were huge they're so scary because they don't attack you until you're not looking too you'll never know they'll just be on

top of you yeah you think you could fight one off no i'd be done for you would you got muscles you could like nope you scream and yell and barely fight off a house cat a regular house cat will probably fuck me up if it's motivated dude i got a i got a german shepherd those are great dogs well you need a lot of work though listen i i was like i don't know if you've noticed the last few years things have gotten a little bit weird and i was like okay i'm on the road a lot i know what i'll do i'll get a german shepherd and it'll protect my family but then i entered into a negotiation with natasha because she didn't want like a hardcore one so what we ended up getting was this giant fucking bitch. I mean, it's just such a little like clown.

It's like the DoorDash people come and they're wearing a ski mask. It'll be like, well, Ashante, right this way. Come on in. Oh, no. So I have all of the work of a German Shepherd with none of the advantage. Is it a male or a female? It's a male. Is it fixed?

Yes. There you go. That's my problem. Yeah. That's a big part of it. Damn, I should have kept those balls. I didn't do it. Especially when they're young.

If you get them real young and they're fixed. I had a dog that was fixed when he was a baby somehow or another. Like we got him. I got him from someone else. And when I got him, I was like, he's already fixed. He's so young. It was too young. And he was kind of fucked.

It fucked his development up. He had no testosterone as he was growing, which is just not good for a male dog. There's a lot of arguments that it's – look, it's irresponsible to let your dog have a bunch of puppies. And then, you know, so if you're letting your dog out and your dog is fucking other dogs and getting them pregnant, getting – yeah, that's irresponsible. But my dog is not fixed. And he doesn't go out. If he interacts with dogs, it's my friend's dogs. You know, we play in the yard.

I take him for walks. He doesn't get loose to go fuck a dog. It's not irresponsible. Does he ever get to fuck? He's never fucked. Oh, that's cruel in a different way. I'm afraid he would find out about it, and then he would never shut the fuck up. Like, Dad, where's the girl?

Where's the bitches, literally? I don't know if you know, this has been great. Do you know about this sex stuff? This is my favorite thing I didn't even know about until now, and I'm seven. That's funny. That's a different kind of meanness, though. You let it keep the balls, but you keep it from ever having sex. Well, they can't not come.

And if they're having sex, the girl can get pregnant. Right. It's not like humans, where it's funsies. Right. You know, there's no funsies in the animal world. Yeah. That's why deer only have sex once a year. We need to, is that true?

Yeah. Well, they have multiple times in this one time period in a year, but it's called the rut. We should make a dog condom. It's not going to work. No, we should put it on. If you love your dog and you want it to get laid, slip it on. Well, you can give your dog birth control, I guess. i guess really yeah but that would probably fuck the female dog up it fucks women up right birth control is terrible for women they've been telling women to take birth

control forever birth control does all sorts of wacky things to the way you perceive people it's there i have a friend and his daughter died She had a stroke because she had a blood clot that is apparently one of the side effects of smoking cigarettes and taking birth control It's possible to have that happen and she died that way she was like 17 years old. It's like it's a tricky medication I mean, it's right. It's great that women got their liberation sexually and that every time you had sex It wasn't like you're gonna have a baby that you could choose when to do it, when not to do it. Is that a fucker perception up too, having a kid at 16? 100%. Yeah.

Yeah. Listen, there's arguments for both sides of it. And they put some girls on birth control for their acne, to control acne. I've heard about that. Yeah. acne. I've heard about that. Yeah. So it's like, it's not saying that birth control is entirely bad, but if you're a woman and you have

to take this thing in order to not get pregnant, and the guy doesn't have to do shit, you know, like the guy, like if a guy had to take, if a birth control pill was invented for a guy, and I think they did come up with one, but it radically lowers your testosterone. It'll be like my dog. Yeah. It'll just be like a

really sweet little bitch. Yeah, probably kills your sperm cells. It's probably the only be like my dog. Yeah. It'll just be like a really sweet little bitch. Yeah, it probably kills your sperm cells. It's probably the only way it would work. Yeah. So the way to kill your sperm cells would be either to ramp up your endogenous testosterone to where your body doesn't produce testosterone anymore, so you don't produce sperm cells,

or you could kill it. Kill the sperm cells. Kill could kill it kill the sperm cells kill kill the testosterone and kill everything they turn you into just a feeble version of yourself well that's why I tired all the time that's what I came on this podcast to talk about is mandated vasectomies for teenagers and the teenage boys and I think this will go over really well yeah as long as you can reverse it isn't are we the ones that can be reversed? Yeah, we can be reversed. We're good.

Women, not good. Women cannot, obviously. Women get their unices removed. Right. With a dude, they can reverse it, but it's not 100%. Right, right. You might have to do it a couple of times to make it stick. People are getting into that now.

Mm-hmm. Vasectomies are having a moment right now. Ari got one of them. Is that right? Yep. I mean, good for him. I get that. If you're going to be single

and you don't want kids, like why not? I think Stanhope did it too. Yeah. That's like a psychic permanent condom. Yeah. And with no condoms.

Yeah. And then you don't, if you're, you know, you have a wife, she doesn't worry about birth control anymore. Yeah. Yeah.

I would not. That would terrify me. Yeah. It's a tricky operation. It's a dick operation. Anytime you're operating on your nether regions, you're like, what? It does sound like a terrifying proposition.

They're going to put you under and operate on your balls. And then you wake up and they've castrated you and things went a little bit wrong. Yeah, I went sideways. Unfortunately, you don't have balls. The doctor had a psychotic break and just started chopping well you know about that story of the guy uh who amputated the wrong limb because apparently they write in sharpie on your limb like this one damn it this one off

and then he did the wrong one christ it's funny you know you remember that it's like it's just a person up there i know know a guy whose wife had the wrong kidney removed. Oh, that's crazy. That's a death sentence. Yeah. It's like, what the fuck did you just do? And the doctor did not want to admit fault. The whole story is so crazy.

Was the kidney that was remained? The doctor didn't want to apologize. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, the kidney that remained was fucked. It was a bad kidney. Yeah, that was the one they were supposed to take out. They took out the good one. Would you ever donate a kidney?

Yeah. Yeah, I would to save someone's life. Yeah. I know people that have done it. Yeah, that sounds really intense. Apparently, you can survive on one kidney. The liver is the craziest one. We were just talking about that the other day.

If you donate half your liver to me, if you and I have the same blood type, within six to eight weeks, your liver will have returned to full size. And my liver that you donated that you gave me will be full size as well. It feels like they could cure liver cancer by just doing elective half a liver in a lab growth. And then we just... Well, they're going to eventually be able to do that. I would imagine they're Already looking into some sort of reconstruction of organs like to be able to create a completely new heart It's made of your own tissue. So your body doesn't reject it You know because your body rejects other people's tissue So if you gave me a heart I would have to take the crazy medication to make sure that my body didn't reject that heart. Have you heard that?

There's a documentary about that guy that was putting artificial tracheas in people. Oh, this is good or bad. It's horrifying. It was this like genius doctor that was putting in these plastic. He had this, uh, this like breakthrough that you could just replace a trachea with a plastic tracheal tube and bathe it in stem cells. with a plastic tracheal tube and bathe it in stem cells. And it would eventually like, I don't know what,

like meld into your body's DNA tissue and just become a part of your body. But he was making it up. It did not ever, it did not work one time. Oh no. But he was just like flying around the world. That's like medical, like master. They're going this genius, the genius of our time, winning like Nobel prizes and stuff and just people were dying

left and right because they were just putting a fucking tube into people's throat instead of a trachea. Oh my God. Oh my God. How many did he do

before they got him? It was like a half a dozen or something like that. Yeah, it was really not. So he's just an insane person? In this weird way. I mean,

it's kind of what we were talking about earlier. He was a genius, but he was like a mad, he'd we're talking about earlier he was a genius but he was like a mad he'd become a mad genius where he just blew a fuse he blew a fuse yeah and he thought i have an idea there's no way my idea won't work if i just if i just do it enough times oh yeah macarena and simultaneously he was uh hustling a woman um like he was pretending to be married to to a journalist in america and then he was already married in Italy.

So he was like kind of had two different madman thing going on at once. He's a wild dude. Swedish appeal court convicted Macarena on Wednesday and sentenced him to two and a half years in prison. That's it? That's pretty crazy. Sweden. Once there's a wall up where you're a medical professional, I guess there is a little bit of an arm's length. I mean, these people did know they were doing an experimental surgery and that they could die, I guess.

But they didn't know that it definitely wouldn't work. But they obviously decided that he did something wrong. They put him in jail for two and a half years. Yeah, this guy was a wild one. Jesus Christ. Compulsive liar, spinning wild stories and and manipulating a woman who became his fiancé. The appeal court ruled that two of the three patients who died did

not require emergency intervention. Oh my God. That was the part I forgot. It kept failing. This is the most fucked up part, Joe. It kept failing on sick people that needed new tracheas. So he was like, what I need to do is find a relatively healthy person that has a tracheal

issue like a collapsed trachea or something where they're still like walking through the world with relative health like the oyster guy and i'll put it in them and that will prove that the thing works oh my god what a psycho is that him yeah that's a psycho it looks like like george coluni if he got really fat and a lot of opium. What a psycho. Yeah, it's crazy. To do it on relatively healthy people just to prove that it works? And it completely did not.

So he literally went on a worldwide quest to find somebody with a fucked up trachea, but that wasn't sick and found someone like that. And it was cosmetic for her. And she's like, I'm tired of talking like this, and I have to have a scarf on, and okay, I'll do it. She didn't like the way her trachea looked? No, I think she talked weird. She had issues, for sure.

Okay. But it was not life or death. Oh, my God. Anyway. There's some psychos out there, man. Some of them happen to be doctors. Yeah. Just because someone went to medical school doesn't mean they're not crazy. No, I listened to that Dr. Death death podcast do you ever hear that no it's about a guy

who was like he was a neurosurgeon and he was just like it wasn't clear if he was like dr mangala like wanted to kill people or if he was just like a stupid person that was just like slashing in people's bodies like it wasn't clear what he was doing but it looked like when he would open someone up he had no idea what he was doing i mean he just was like stapling a artery to a bone. He's just like, and- Just for fun? Nobody really knows. But he was a real surgeon.

He was a real neurosurgeon. And until I heard that podcast, it would have never occurred to me to go to a surgeon and then look him up. I'm sure you are savvy enough to do that, but I would have just been like, you're a doctor. You must know things Okay, open up my brainstem and get in there Yeah, the first time I got surgery I had I had no idea anything about the doctor's credentials

And I don't know anything about him now. Yeah, don't even remember his name He put me under and opened me up and drilled holes in my bones And yeah now I heard that I would I would always google i would i would go yeah man you you can't be fucking entirely sure that someone's not out of their mind well there's certain there's certain um professions like that where you assume their degree is the thing that makes them competent but you forget that it's just a person there's here's the guy it says of the 37 patients dunched how do you say it dunched oh dunched yeah david dunch dunched operated How do you say it? Dunched? Oh, dunched. Yeah, David dunched. Dunched, operated on in Dallas over about two years. 33 were hurt or harmed in the process.

33? 33 out of 37. That is a bad record. Four people skated clean. Some people woke up paralyzed. Others emerged from anesthesia to permanent pain and nerve damage, from nerve damage. Two patients died, one from significant blood loss after the operation, and the other from a stroke caused by a cut vertebral artery.

Wow. Yeah, he was just slashing. He was in there just like mashing it up, kind of like preschool style. Look at this one. One patient, a childhood friend of Dunst, went in for a spinal operation with someone he trusted and woke up a quadriplegic after the doctor damaged his vertebra vertebral artery artery that was his like childhood best friend oh my god turn him into a quadriplegic jesus christ yeah there's psychos out there man is that him that's the guy that plays him in the

in the tv show yeah that's josh jackson from Let's get a real photo of this boy up here. There was another Dr. Death. There was a guy who created execution machines. There was a documentary about him. It's a crazy documentary. Because at the end, he kind of gets hoodwinked into becoming a Holocaust denier. Oh, I know about this guy. Yeah.

Yeah. I keep tabs on all of them. Yeah. He was, I think he's gone now, but I think at the end of his life, like he was somehow or another brought to Auschwitz or one of the other concentration camps. I remember this guy. Yes. And he said that this could not have been.

It's impossible that Zyklon B could have. Yeah. I saw this documentary. Oh, it was Errol Morris film. Yeah, I saw this documentary. Oh, it was Errol Morris' film. Yeah, I remember this guy. So what was his assertion? He claims he was invited to other American prisons to inspect and design modifications to electric chairs,

possessed no relevant formal training or education, and claims that he was told that those who did possess such qualifications would not provide advice due to their opinions on death penalty, fear of reprisals, or that they were squeamish about the subject. So, so he was, what was he, what was his background? Just could you let it here. So his career continued with other state prisons seeking his advice on execution facilities other than electrocution, such as gas chambers, hanging and lethal injection. How do you say his name? Luchter? Luchter initially professed his ignorance of other methods of execution. The authorities seeking his advice reminded him that others with more qualifications refused to help.

Luchter claims to have taught himself on these other methods of execution and provided advice that was used by the authorities to improve safety and efficiency. So as Fall claimed when Luchter claimed to have been sought as a witness for the defense for Ernest Zundel during, so one of the Nazis, right? In Canada for spreading false news by publishing and sending material denying Holocaust overseas. Luchter was asked by the defense to travel to Poland to visit out so that, no, maybe that guy wasn't a Nazi. Maybe he was like a Holocaust denier. Ernst Zundel. So what is the trial? Spreading false news. So he's just been accused of spreading false news by publishing and sending material denying the Holocaust. So he's being tried for that. And Luchter was asked by the defense to travel to Poland to visit Auschwitz to investigate whether there had been operating gas chambers for executions at the camp. So at first examination,

Luchter felt that using poison gas in a building with the internal and external design of the buildings currently on display at the site would have caused the death of everyone in the area outside the buildings as well as inside. The film shows videotaped footage taken in Poland of Luchter taking samples of bricks in the buildings to take back to the United States forensic science labs to determine whether there was evidence of poison gas in the material. These samples were not identified as to where they came from. Luchter states that the laboratories reported that there was not any trace of any poison gas at any time. Right. I remember this.

After his conclusions were disproven and negativity publicity ensued, Luchter lost his work as a consultant to American prisons. So his conclusions were disproven. So they must have found gas. Look, there's a lot of evidence that those were gas chambers. That's a crazy thing. I think I remember that this documentary, because he starts saying these things, it's very similar to like social media clout. Because he starts saying these things he starts. It's very similar to like social media clout He starts saying these things and everybody starts to in the Holocaust denial community starts like bigging him up and going like this is our guy And he gets more ideological as a result of it. Yeah, and this is the see he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about

This is what this is one of the answers says it's all a question of concentration once the gas is released into the atmosphere It's concentration decreases and is no longer dangerous. Also, HCN dissipates quickly. The execution gas chambers in U.S. prisons were also ventilated directly into the atmosphere. So it just dissipates. Furthermore, the argument would hold for the extermination chambers. It would hold for the de-lousing chambers as well, and one would have to conclude that no de-lousing chambers existed either.

So it's just he doesn't understand how it dissipates. So there's probably no trace because there's no trace left. Yeah. We're talking about he's doing this 70 years later. I mean, I think that's what the

I think that's what the documentary was about, was that this guy got quickly got in over his head the minute he said one thing they were all like we love you and he became this kind of figurehead of that movement yeah exactly yeah people saying that they know stuff which is sort of the disease of our time so that's the other doctor death they can have a duel of douchebags i think the guy with the surgeon's gonna win he seems more evil i mean the guy seems to They can have a duel of douchebags. I think the guy with the surgeon is going to win. He seems more evil. The other guy seems to like ego got a hold of him or just stupidity. The Errol Morris guy.

Yeah. I mean, it is a wild thing out there to think of going under the knife and then waking up and realizing that. You heard about this? There was a lab, I believe, I can't remember which hospital hospital where the women were going in for fertility treatment Yeah, and they were not being given Oxycontin they were being given saline and they would be under general They'll be under general anesthesia, so they couldn't stop it so they were doing basically surgery, but you were paralyzed Because you're under general anesthetic feel the pain so you feel the pain the entire time and they found out why? is because there was a drug addict

Who was in charge of? Dispensing the the Oxycontin who was just like taking it and being like best mine or his fentanyl. It was fentanyl Oh my god, and she was just like dripping the fentanyl into her bag and taking it home. Oh my god. Yeah Wow Oh my god Wow. Oh my God. Jeez.

That's a rough one. And then they would come up and they would say... Fucking evil people in this world. They would say, oh, I felt so much pain. And they would go, no, no, you're fine. It's like, no, no, I think I just went under general surgery with absolutely no painkiller at all, but I was paralyzed. Oh my God.

Imagine that. Well, imagine when they used to do it when you weren't paralyzed. Oh, they put a piece of leather in your mouth and just take your limb off? Just saw your leg off. Dances with wolves style. They would give you ethyl alcohol, right?

They would give you booze. They'd give you whatever the fuck they could give you. Yeah. That's not going to help. What do you think the garlic and the vampire connection is? Garlic and vampires? Yeah. I don't know. Where did that one come from. Yeah. It's not going to help. What do you think the garlic and the vampire connection is? Garlic and vampires? Yeah. I don't know. Where did that one come from?

Yeah. I'm not sure. Isn't garlic a very potent antibacterial? Like, don't they say to take garlic if you have stomach flus? I think that's one of those homeopathic solutions. That people say, take garlic if you're sick. But why vampires? that people say take garlic if you're sick.

But why vampires? Maybe vampires are connected to the idea of what a vampire is, is not knowing what happens to people when they get sick, not knowing what happens to people when they get a plague, blaming it on someone else, blaming it on someone evil, blaming it on a curse, you know, blaming it on someone who came back from the dead. And why does someone have, you know, anemia? Why is someone losing all their blood? You know, you could blame that on a vampire. Yeah. I guess if you were extremely ill, it would seem like, but you're still walking

through the world. It would seem like you had been possessed on some level. Well, I've said that about people that get addicted to drugs. I've met people and they weren't addicted to drugs and they got addicted to drugs. It's like, Oh my God, addicted to drugs and they got addicted to drugs it's like oh my god it's like that person got bit by a vampire. Totally yeah I think about that a lot not the vampire thing but about people who and I was on that road by the way that was going to be my life but people who decided to get high instead of do anything else like it's like my life will just be getting high and that'll be it. Yeah and well there's certain ones the ones that get physically addictive,

they're terrifying. Yeah. The oxys, the cocaine, like that kind of shit, where you're physically drawn to it, you need it to get well. The heroin people that need it, they're sick and they need it to get well. That is wild stuff.

Meth does this even scarier thing, which is that it lowers your brain's ability to create its own, what's the word for it? Serotonin? Serotonin. And so meth becomes this sort of cyclical trap where you can't actually, it's not just that you want to get high. Your brain can't make you happy without it. And it takes a long time to rewire your brain in that particular way. Wow.

Heroin's the one that everybody overdoses from. And meth is the one that people kind of go mad from slowly because their brains get weirdly atrophied in that way. One of my friends from the pool hall was a crack addict. And he would go get crack, and then he would have to come down by drinking 40 ounces. So he would get so fucked up. I took him a couple times

to like bad neighborhoods so he could cop but then um we'd always have to go to a liquor store and he would get like a 40 ounce of what old english something like that you were 40 guy well i've drank them i'm it's they're fucking crazy strong like if you want to make sure that people never have any ambition and don't leave which is probably what they do it's exactly what i would do if i was evil i used to my the way i would choose what alcohol i would drink is like if a gangster rapper rapped about it i would drink it so gin and juice english old english say nights that was my that was my drink of choice say not white uh mickey's was for white boys i didn't mess with that say nines for for the real brothers in the room and carlo rossi because e40 had a a song

called top of the line wine carlos rossi and then that was and then mad dog 2020 and cisco those were the things that i drank mad dog 2020 is always a popular one sure yeah for the youth of tomorrow yeah those they're fucking strong man. And Johnny used to drink them. He used to down them when his eyes was all wild. He would be sweating. But he was also a genius. He was a guy that could do complex math in his head. Well, there aren't.

You could say to him, just throw a bunch of numbers. You could have a calculator there. 400 divided by 6 minus 10 plus 500. You could keep going. And he would go four six two it's crazy it was weird and he goes after that yep that's why genius pool player too like one of the best pool players i've ever seen in my life like professional level pool player i'd like spent my i feel like i spent my youth with people like that like i got sober at 15 wow you know that i've been sober since i was 15

wow i went to rehab for the first time when i was 13 holy shit and then uh and then got finally got so finally got sober at 15 uh in a young people's meeting asking for help and everybody in the room was 10 years 5 to 10 years older than me in a young people's meeting wow and that was like the big that was the beginning of my my kind of life holy shit did were you a lot latchkey kid oh yeah definitely yeah so you just got let out and you were just out on the streets listening to rap drinking 40s i was a latchkey kid and my mother uh oakland public schools my mom was deaf my parent my dad was deaf too and he was like a like sort of born again hasidic jew like when when my parents split my dad got like super super religious we come from

we come from crazy i mean like a hardcore version of it's not like what you it's like you see unorthodox no it's a show on netflix it's about a really hardcore sect that's the sect is it documentary series it's a no it's a it's a show oh it's a scripted show about the the sect of hasidic judaism called the satmars and that's the world that my my family was from my stepmother was satmar and my my family came from a town called new square new york do you know anything about that no new square is really interesting it's like a village up above muncie which is already an unbelievably ultra-orthodox place but muncie is nothing compared to Skuvera. Skuvera is like the hype.

Women don't drive in New Square, New York. Whoa. This is New York City. I got cousins that have Eastern European accents, and they are third-generation American. Which borough is this? Well, my family lived... Muncie's in upstate New York,

and my family lived in Brooklyn, in Seagate. Do you know where Seagate is? It's like Pasconi Island at the tip of Brooklyn. And that was a Sotmer neighborhood and kids in that neighborhood, we used to play dodgeball games where it would be the ultra Orthodox kids versus the actually religious kids. Like that's how intense things were. Like an ultra Orthodox person that you looked at and went, wow, that's a real Jew right there. We were basically the Gentiles of the community. Holy shit. It was crazy crazy and i would be nine months a year in oakland regular public school listening to too short fly back to my dad's house get driven to the orthodox barber shop they put a yarmulke on me slacks and i would

go cosplay as an extra from fiddler on the roof for six weeks a year wow so that was the pre but before rehab and that's sort of i think that's the reason that I fell into the rehab so heavily, into the drugs so heavily, is because I was, everything about me made me feel like I am, I don't fit. I don't fit. I'm a hearing person in a deaf world. I'm essentially a Gentile in a Jewish world, you know. That is so crazy that you were considered a Gentile. I mean, they didn't really consider me.

But you were not as religious as them. Effectively. There was something wrong with you. Dude, there was a local rabbi when I was getting close to my bar mitzvah, and he goes, he noticed, he was very nice. And he noticed that I didn't know Hebrew. These kids spoke, and I'm not kidding, these kids spoke Yiddish as a first language. That's why they had the Eastern European accent, right? So my uncle, he was first generation American. So he sounds like an American because the first generation of Americans say, go fit in, right? So my uncle, he was first generation American. So he sounds like an American because the first generation of Americans say, go fit in. Right. But then by the time he had kids,

they're like feeling their comfort in the United States. And they go, don't go fit in, go to a seminary where we learn Yiddish. So my cousins sound like extras from Dr. Zhivago. And my uncle sounds like a New Yorker. Like it's that weird. So they speak Yiddish as a first language. I would bring an English prayer book to school and kids would, people would be like staring, like it was a scarlet letter. Like there's something wrong with me because I had an English book. Because you couldn't speak it in Hebrew. Because I didn't know Hebrew. So it's getting towards my bar mitzvah, right? It's my 12th year or 11th year. And I don't know the alphabet. And this rabbi sees that I'm struggling. And my

dad was deaf. And so he had this kind of like bizarre relationship with the community where he was like one part accepted one part, almost mascot in a way that was a little insulting, but he was loved, whatever. The rabbi said, give him to me and I'll teach him Hebrew, right? This is like the nineties, early or late eighties, early nineties. So you could at that time ask for some alone time with a child and they'd be handed over. no questions asked, right? So I go to his house and he starts teaching me Hebrew, the alphabet,

basic, elemental. I mean, this is like a Talmudic scholar teaching me the ABCs, right? And I am struggling. I can't get it. And he goes, don't worry, don't worry. He goes, don't be embarrassed. Hold on. Shmuley, shmuley, come, come, come. And his son comes into the room and he goes, don't be embarrassed. Hold on. Shmuley, shmuley, come, come, come.

And his son comes into the room and he goes, do the English alphabet. This is an American kid. He goes, do the English alphabet. And the kid goes, oh, no. A, B, G. And then he slaps me. The rabbi slaps me on the back. He goes, see, he's stupid in English.

You are stupid in Hebrew. Everybody's stupid. That was the energy. What a sweetheart, right? That's a good way to approach it. Yeah. It was like he was willing to humiliate his eldest son to teach me to love learning. That is funny, though.

The kid doesn't know the English alphabet. It was. I'm sure eventually he got it. But this was not. Maybe not. Maybe not. I mean, there's communities in this country that exist generation after generation where they only speak one language.

No, it's like they made Wakanda in Brooklyn. That was like the vibe, you know, and I was in multiple Wakandas, too. I was born into like the deaf Wakanda. Imagine that. You're being born the enemy. But I'm a member of the deaf community. I think every deaf person would say that, that I belong. But I also was the enemy.

I was the hearing. And so you're. Why do they think of the hearing as the enemy. I was the hearing. And, and so you're, why do they think of the hearing as the enemy? Well, that is a complicated question. And it's because, um, there has been a lot of enforced oppression on the deaf community from the, from the outside. The story of sign language is really fascinating. Um, 300 years ago, there was no sign language. There was no, there was, there was only the kind of sign. If you were born, 90% of deaf people are born into a hearing family, right?

That's just the way genetics works. Like most of the time you don't have deaf family members. And if you were born 350 years ago into one of those families, you just didn't have language. You weren't given the gift of language, which is the thing. I mean, think about how much language plays into your own life, Joe, like speaking and everything, you know, every thought process you have is, is mashed through the filter of language. And in that situation, you'd be born into a family and you had zero language. You would have like a gesturing system that you'd created with your dad to be able to say like, pass the potatoes. And that was it. You couldn't say how you feel. You

couldn't say what you wanted to do. You couldn't even think about how you, I mean, you could think, I don't know. I mean, I wasn't, I've never experienced that. But language is the thing that unlocks reason. It's the thing that unlocks culture. And people were stymied from that. But if you were born lucky enough

to have genetic deafness in your family, so that you and your sibling were both user both deaf then the two of you sitting together could create Language a language of two right you would back and forth between two siblings create a family sign system that would enable the both of you learning from one another to create a language and Enable you to reason and think and talk about how you feel even if it was just with one person Communicate with the outside world, but at least you could communicate with yourself and with one other person I mean the difference between an isolated deaf person and a pair of siblings is the world. It's it's it's freedom It's everything so one day a French priest walks along along and sees two deaf sisters signing back and forth to one another and And he goes, that's language. Prior to that, deaf people weren't even considered to be linguistic. They

weren't even considered to be capable of reason. But he goes, no, I know what that is. I'm looking at language. So he goes to these sisters. His name is the Abbe de Epee. And he says, teach me to sign. Somehow he tells them, like, you know, teach me these gestures to them, teach me to sign. They teach him to sign. And his thing was he wanted them to take the know, teach me these gestures to them teach me to sign they teach him to sign and He his thing was he wanted them to take the Catechism right that he wanted them to be able to go to heaven He realized Oh deaf people have are linguistically capable But they can't get into heaven unless they can take the Catechism and confess their faith and take communion Right, which right makes sense if there is a God that God wouldn't allow them into heaven based on the fact that they

Couldn't speak. He's like, my hands are tied here, buddy. You have to say it. So they teach him. They teach him. And he teaches them back French. And then he starts to gather the deaf people from around the world. I'm sorry, from around France.

And he creates the first school for the deaf. He teaches them French in sign. In sign. That's right. Whoa. Because French, because sign language and spoken language are not the same. A lot of people think that, right? That like I speak American sign language, but people think, oh, it's a translation of

English. It's not. It's his complete own language, right? So. Oh, I did not know that. So much so that the way that he would fundraise for this school is he would do like a traveling like roadshow where he would take his star pupils around France and around Europe. And they would be at like an exhibition hall.

And a person in the audience would ask a question. He would say, oh, Joe, do you have a question for the deaf person? And then you'd ask them some French question like, you know, what is what degree of suffering can be borne by man or how many creams is too many creams for a brie or whatever. man or how many creams is too many creams for a brie or whatever and he would take your question sign it to his star pupils and they would take a piece of chalk walk up to the blackboard and write the answer in perfect french and it people lost their fucking minds like they couldn't believe it like deaf people oh my god it like unlocked this whole conception of the deaf as like uh they can think they can reason oh they all they need is language to be free. Right. So all this whole network of deaf schools for the deaf started to spring up. They would, they sprung up in all over Europe and they would copy the, the teaching methods

of the school for the deaf. And, um, and, and a guy from America came over, right. And he saw this system and he basically took their star pupil. And one of the things was the deaf would teach each other. So you would teach them sign and then they would become educated and then they would become a professor at this school. And he took like the star professor. Laurent Clerk was his name. Thomas Gallaudet was the name of the American.

He came over and he saw Laurent Clerk and he said, move to America with me and let's go do that. Let's go replicate this in America. So Thomas Gallaudet says, yes, they get on a boat. They sail to America. By the time they landed, Thomas Gallaudet knew rudimentary sign and Laurent Clerc, who was like a fucking genius, knew basically had been taught English. And they set up the first school for the deaf in America. They figured out English on a boat? He was a genius, like a real genius, like an actual, like lucky enough to have been.

You know, these circumstances in history were like the perfect man at the perfect time. Yes. They come here, they set up the school here and they start to create American sign language. And they borrowed from these different worlds, right? They took French sign language as the base. Martha's Vineyard back then had this weird genetic anomaly on the island of Martha's Vineyard. This is like before it was just a place for Kennedy's to fuck their mistresses. This was like back when it was a fishing town,

a fishing Island. There was some weird genetic thing that had happened where over the course of hundreds of years, one in 25 people on Martha's vineyard was deaf. And it was this very bizarre kind of like, like almost the equality that deaf people on Martha's Vineyard felt was almost like the opposite of like what affirmative action is attempting to do, right? Affirmative action wants to correct a historic harm by, by changing the playing field. This was an equity of everybody

was the same because everybody on Martha's Vineyard knew, either was deaf, knew a deaf person or was related to a deaf person. So everybody, hearing and non-hearing, signed on Martha's Vineyard. It was a sign system called Martha's Vineyard Sign Language. They took some of that. They took the Plains Indian Sign Language, P-I-S-L it's called. You know that gesture? You've seen it in movies where the Native Americans will gesture to each other. And they present it as if it's like a war language so they don't have to make noise.

But what it actually was was all the tribes in America spoke different languages. So they created this kind of Esperanto of the tribes so that they could trade. They could do trade. And that was called Plains Indian Sign Language. And they took all that into a kind of bouillabaisse of French Sign Language base, Martha's Vineyard Chaser, and Plains Indian sprinkled on top, and they created American Sign Language. And then 100 years, 200 years later, my mother was born deaf in Oakland, California,

and she went to the California School for the Deaf, and she absorbed this language. My mother was 13 when she went to the California School for the Deaf. She was in an oral school system. This is my long-winded way of telling you why deaf people have such a problem with hearing people. That language that she learned, she was in an oral school system.

So almost as soon as the sign language system came out, hearing people looked at it and go, we got to get rid of that. The one thing that unlocked their freedom, the one thing that unlocked their minds, hearing people saw it and said, we have to take that away from them. We have to make them more like us by doing the sign. They're creating more Wakanda. They're creating an insular sort of closed circuit system of culture. Right. And they're, and weirdly, this was at a time in American history where those closed circuits of culture were really frowned upon this

Like frowning upon deaf people signing to each other deaf people signing to each other Italians having their own newspapers Chinese immigrants like every at that time in American history the idea of creating like an immigrant subculture was Was really frowned upon and Alexander Graham Bell whose parents were deaf like me, had a deaf wife. He became the champion of what was called the oral system. And the oral system was, let's not allow them to sign.

Let's teach them to speak. Let's make them like us. Let's make them talk normally and function normally. Let's make them like us. But it was a crazy failure. And it makes sense why, right? They can makes sense why right like they can't hear the sounds oliver sack said teaching a deaf person without sign is like teaching you japanese from

inside of a soundproof booth by holding up flash cards in japanese and like putting a symbol next to it it was like kind of doomed to failure and then they went through this, this 200 years reimposed darkness. There was a, there was a trial where all the hearing educators decided the deaf people wouldn't sign anymore. They fired all the deaf educators and they pushed them out and they created this oral system, which really, I mean, it worked for some people, some people, but what it created was you had to be exceptional in order to be average in the deaf world. You know, you had to be a genius, uh, in order to get that oral system to work for you because your natural mode of communication had been kind of stamped out. And then in about the seventies, deaf people started

to like kind of rise up and say, fuck that we're signing. This is who we are. This is our native language. And when I was born in 79, that was the world I was born into. And so from that, two sisters on a fucking corner in world because they were like, they stole from us the one thing that gave us freedom. That makes sense. Wow. I did not know any of that stuff. That's incredible. How does someone get to be a fake sign language interpreter and be on stage with Obama? Was it Obama? Oh, it's been multiple people. There was one recently that happened. Yeah. But the Obama one was bananas because this guy was totally insane.

And he was standing in front of Obama just making things up. I'll tell you how good he is. I want to see. Can I see it? The Obama guy? How bad the Obama guy is. Well, I think it's just gibberish. Dude.

I think it's just the sign language version of gibberish. I, my life was going to appointments with my mother and being tasked with the job of interpreting for my mom's medical appointments for my mom. It was like a non-consensual internship program. Right. Like her medical appointments. And then. It was like a non-consensual internship program. Like her medical appointments. And then I started to get in trouble.

And then the subject of the meeting would be me. It would be like a disciplinary meeting about me. So you would have to explain what your mom was having a problem with with you. Or what the school system or what the Oakland Police Department, what their problem with me was. Oh, my God. And then you have to do this kind of like this kind of interpretive dance where you're you're not you can't be like oh we think your son is awesome he's a cool kid we love him because then your mom my mom's not stupid she'll be like all right let's see how bad this guy okay well that's not obama no that's not the one this is the guy i remember that oh there is a guy this was the in at the Nelson Mandela Memorial

Yeah, so right this dude. This video doesn't have him that was Obama. Okay, just show him by himself with that other gentleman So what what is he doing here Moshe? I am at a disadvantage Joe because I this is South Africa And I do not speak South African sign language. Oh South Africa and I do not speak South African sign language oh but I remember this is a South African sign language I would assume every system you want to hear something crazy it is so not a translation of English that my mother know would have a much harder time understanding a British sign sign a signer than a French signer whoa so it has nothing it's divorced from English right ah this lady okay so I can tell you that this woman is actually using sign

language this is actual sign language but she is very bad at sign language is that what it is yes those are real letters and I this is completely incomprehensible it's 55 million is what she just said. I don't know what that is. Please. Announcement tonight. Handcuffs. Look, she waved her arms around like she was singing Jingle Bells.

But that's not true, right? She's doing some sign language. Well, she's a hustler. Whatever this is. But I did. Dude, I've been to so many appointments with my mother where I mother where i walk in and and it's an emergency room appointment and i go you can leave just leave because you aren't qualified to do this and this is fucking life or death for my mother and you're here you shouldn't have taken this fucking job you should have known better than to take this job because this is an emergency room

situation so that's when i was an interpreter the the responsibility of that was like massive to me. I Felt that so acutely because I'd lived through it in such a direct way, right? I've told I've been an interpreter when people were told they were dying I've been an interpreter when people were graduated from graduate school from like getting their doctorate although I've been an interpreter where people were in court and it was literally the the degree to which I could sign accurately and faithfully was a difference between them going to prison and not going to prison like I've done all of that and that Weight is like super massive to me and super imagine. Yeah, and some funny shit has happened along the way, too I'm sure like some very strange

Situations. Well, how does the deaf community feel about people who get like implants and can hear again? So that's a another complicated question. I think have you ever seen the sound in the fury? No, it's a fucking beautiful and fantastic documentary about cochlear implants and the deaf community. I mean the thing is Deaf the deaf community had a enemy and I and I don't speak for the deaf community deaf the deaf community had a and i and i don't speak for the deaf community obviously but i can speak from my own experience that my mother has a cochlear implant she got one because my mom was like my mom's like an iconoclast and she's like i'm not going to allow a taboo in deaf society to keep me from experiencing as much of life as i could possibly experience of course but in general especially at the beginning deaf people hated the idea of a cochlear implant because they do not feel, and I think to some degree I agree with them, that deafness is a disability.

They feel that what it is, it's a culture. I mean, obviously they can't hear. That's a disability. But the true disability comes from the fact that communication barrier. fact that communication barrier and so to them they see the cochlear implant as just another imperialist now a robotic mechanism to make them hearing again but wouldn't that be counterbalanced by the ability to absorb art in music yeah but how do they hear it do they hear it the way a normal person hears it well i can tell you um in section two of the book my rave years what kind of music the deaf like more than any other in my experience is definitely slamming techno because

it's a really simple form to be able to experience and feel uh is is just that boom boom boom of techno or house they love they love that one of the best pool players in the world is deaf and he shuts his hearing aid off when he plays I can totally see that because you're like hyper focused. You're like all the way in Yeah, I can completely shut it off and he just doesn't miss I mean my mother my mother is still deaf if you met her you would be like there would be no part of you That was like this person isn't deaf. She sounds deaf and she she is and she signs but she wanted yeah to experience but she can hear true so when you're old and your brain has set its neural pathways to such a degree

that it does not process sound and never has the cochlear implant apparently it's not there's no way to uh reignite a an atrophied pathway into a normal hearing system right by the way the cochlear implant i think i don't know i've never had one obviously it sounds robotic it's it never sounds like which is why they like techno that's exactly right i mean it's simple you know it's not like listening to country roads oh i thought you meant because it connects it's like a robot music it's like listening to Country Roads. Oh, I thought you meant because it connects. It's like a robot music. It's easy to follow. But I don't even mean people with cochlear implants. Deaf people in general, they love raves because, yeah, it's easy to follow.

You can dance to it. Right. You don't have to follow some symphonic kind of like path or whatever. When they're totally deaf, do they feel techno? Definitely. Yeah. So where do they feel it? Their feet?

I would say probably their genitals mostly. Really? No, I don't know. Their whole body. body i mean you've been to a rave haven't you no you never have no i wonder if your genitals really do feel it if you couldn't hear if base is i can say if base is deep enough you can definitely feel it in your genitals that is true so you'd be just kind of barely moving i well when i was a big raver and i became eventually like a rave promoter and a dj i was a dj at raves through the 90s and an ecstasy dealer, but that's another story I started when I was about 16 I bought my first set of turntables and a mixer and I was terrible obviously like everybody starting out

But you can't play in your headphones DJing really you have to like have it be amplified and I had a very lucky break in having deaf parents because I would just set everything all the way to the max and my mom would be like happily studying in the other room and I would just be like train wrecking techno beats. That's hilarious. How'd your neighbors feel about that? I didn't have neighbors. I live next door to a terrible bar so I could have given a fuck. Oh, that's lucky. I grew up next to like a real white trash kind of like wannabe gangster bar.

That was the energy. Yeah, really rough. They'd be like showing off their like sound system and they're like Cutlass Supreme. That was the energy. Pissing on my front door and shit like that. Oh my God. Wow. Is this a Def Raver?

Def Rave. I'm telling you. I'm not making this up. I don't think that's the real music. But yeah. Yeah. That's this company, the real music. But yeah. Yeah. There's a company, a group called Deaf Rave. They host raves for deaf people.

Well, that's what I'm saying. House music and techno music really is actually music that's made for your body rather than your mind, you know? And it's made to move to. And so I think for the deaf community, this is like, it is the perfect form. And these guys are all deaf. That's so cool. Yeah, you would definitely feel the bass for sure. I mean, I is the perfect form. And these guys are all deaf? That's so cool. Yeah, you would definitely feel the bass for sure. I mean, I don't, yeah.

There's headphones you can get that transduce sound through your jaw instead of going through your ear. Whoa. But they have to still be able to understand what that, what the frequencies are. Speaking of weird surgeries, when my mom got the cochlear implant, it decimated her balance. She has not been the same since. She's super wobbly because they took out her inner ear and they put in a robotic cochlea instead.

And she wanted to get the other one done. And we had to do like a cochlear implant intervention. We go, mom, no. You're going to be in a wheelchair if you do that. Like, don't do that. So it just wrecks your equilibrium wrecked hers a lot of people with cochlear implants are are doing fine oh but she for some reason you know i wish i mean i love my mom and i who am i to say that that it wasn't worth it she says it's worth it to her and it's not my business she wanted to experience in the in the last quarter of her life like the sensation of sound and i think

like i get that When you've never experienced something like why you wouldn't walk through that door to me I wish she'd never gotten it because now she's like this wobbly older lady and it like scares the shit out of me Is there a way to correct it the only thing no they take it out? I mean they once they do it that's it They literally remove they literally remove your cochlea and put put a robot cochlea in instead so there's no no it's it's irreversible she can't do an mri either oh boy yeah that sucks she can't like do a lot of things because it's like a piece of machinery will clunk out of her brain rip out of her fucking head right but yeah i think that people deaf

the deaf community is a link bro i wonder how that would work with deaf people. I'm sure... Oh, the new product is called Telepathy. Let a person control a phone or computer just by thinking. Well, I heard about... What if you think in ASL then you're not thinking in English? I thought the first ones were going to be for people that were injured.

Oh, to get them out of paralysis or something. That is someone, but if you were injured like Stephen Haw Stephen Hawking, that would have been perfect for him. Right. But what would it do? You would be able to do everything on a computer just by thinking. Oh, it would no longer be robot voice. Right.

You could type. You could do everything. Right. You could... It says that you could talk faster. He said that you could talk faster than an auctioneer. With Neuralink? Yeah, with Neuralink.

That's interesting. How fast can you say, get me to Epstein's Island? Ah! How quickly? Get me to Epstein's Island. It took him one minute to write each word. Is that true? Yeah.

And there was allegations towards the end of his life. He married his nurse. His story's crazy because I have a bit on him, and I've been researching him over the last few weeks. His story is nuts. He, um, was most people that have that disease, Lou Gehrig's disease, they die within two years, like 55 years. And by the end of his life, all he could do was move his cheek muscles. That was all that moved. So he can move his cheek muscles and he'd use the cheek muscle control cursor and he would select letters on a screen can is there any reason why he survived

or is it just full-on luck of the draw probably luck of the draw i mean access to great medicine i mean he's right where there's that i kind of feel like sometimes scientist there's some part of me that believes like until the Epstein story broke that it was like a gift from the universe or something about the Epstein Island thing is There were a lot of scientists that got lured onto that island and imagine if you're a scientist Let's say you're a physicist and someone contacts you contacts you and says Moshe Would you like to go meet this guy that guy and that guy? You know, I thought these guys are super legit. This must be legit right? You know you're over there studying the cosmos

How much time are you googling Jeffrey Epstein? That's why I always hit these things in the beginning no one really had reason to believe that he was doing anything wrong Until he got arrested That's why I always hate these what things where they go you took a picture with so-and-so, therefore you're – it's like, what does that have to – you take a picture with a thousand people a day. I have no – I'm not Googling everybody I do a picture with. Right, especially if you just meet someone at a show or something like that. It's insane. But also, with these people, these scientists, that's a really sneaky trick to get a bunch of prominent people together and then invite you to be with those prominent people right right it's a good intelligence operation move i mean if i was an intelligence

operative that's how i would compromise people oh you think there's a party that thinks maybe they were lured they're not just uh duplicitously but in order to take them down 100 not to take them down to have their influence i see to. To triangulate them into, you'll do what I want you to do kind of a thing. Yes. Yes. Right. You will support Israel no matter what. You will do this.

You will do that. You will, you know, the CIA will tell you to do something. You do it. You know, if you are a person that has an enormous amount of influence in a field of science, that's a very valuable person to have on your hand. If you ever have something where someone has to speak to the general public, you get this expert and this expert has an opinion that's very different than some other people's opinions. And they say, well, then they promote that opinion. This is the person. You could do a lot of things, especially if you have a lot of them right right so an island's an island's

worth yeah and then you also keep them from criticizing you you keep them from talking about it you know you essentially muzzle them to this very complex sort of scheme that was running where they were compromising that's what you think Epstein's Islands was 100 it wasn't like a plague hedonistic playground it was actually like like a- He was an intelligence agency agent, most likely. Most likely. Well, Ghislaine Maxwell, her father was an intelligence operative, and he was the one who apparently had trained Epstein, supposedly. The whole thing is very convoluted because it's very difficult. The story's filled with very wealthy, powerful people who have done a fantastic job of keeping themselves from getting arrested. It's pretty wild how this has been out in the open.

Just the murder of Epstein, which seems to be a murder, doesn't seem to be a hanging. You ever get upset you weren't invited? No. I'm pretty happy. You might have gone. I would have gone if I didn't know. If you get an email, dude, we got an island. It's really fun.

Especially pre-Google. Oh, yeah. Pre-Google. You're like, hey, do you want to hang out with Stephen Hawking on an island? You're like, holy shit. But I did used to think, yeah, back to the Hawking thing, that, I don't know, like the universe gave him to us in this weird

way. Like, here's this mega brilliant genius. I'm not like a big deist in that way. But I think, what are the odds that the smartest man ever to get Lou Gehrig's got to live long enough to give over the full bulk of his genius? There's something very beautiful and interesting about that to me. Well, yeah, that that's a good point that that guy who had so much to give live so long with the disease, it kills so quickly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, he was, uh, apparently he was paralyzed. He couldn't move, but he could feel.

Uh-huh. So that's why he liked girls. Yeah. And, you know, there's a crazy article and I forget what magazine, Variety maybe? No, I forget the magazine, but they were talking about he was like a frequent visitor to strip clubs. Right. He would go to like swingers places. Imagine being the stripper when Hawking comes in.

She probably didn't know who he is. That's possibly not true. Fucked up old guy. If you're 22 years old and your stage name is Lexus, what are the odds that you know who Stephen Hawking is? I mean, he's a pretty famous guy. Pretty famous for people that care about those things. I think Lexus cared. Maybe.

I think you're- Perhaps. Cut Lexus some slack. Maybe. Maybe Lexus is just dancing away through school. Lexus is a deep thinker. That's right. There's those.

That's real. I think the Hawkins thing is a strange story. But the whole island thing is a strange story. It's a strange story. It's a story that is one of those things where you're going like this sounds like the plot of a movie how could this is really be how they did it you know yeah oh yeah that movie will come out who plays Epstein that's a good question I got a pitch Alec Baldwin yeah Baldwin be good would be good. A little too big. There's a little stink on him right now.

Well, there's a little stink on Epstein, too. Yeah, but maybe too much for him to get the part. Sure. You would want someone to... Who would do it? Oh, Bradley Cooper, he could do it. Oh, BC. He's a good guy at assuming new characters.

Two great Jewish heroes. He goes from maestro to epsom's island well he played uh he's played a lot of people um who else would be good at christian bale he could do anything christian bale is the best of us have you seen poor things no i haven't emma stone is the best actor in the world i'm on I'm on record now. Wow. Poor Things was great. Better than Daniel Day-Lewis? Well, DDL, he is retired. Is he?

He's still retired? I think so. I feel like he's about to come out. You think he's about to drop a new mixtape? He's ready to get back in there. Now, that is a pay-per-view that I would pay for. Daniel Day-Lewis versus Floyd Mayweather. I bet if you gave Daniel Day-Lewis long enough, he'd learn how to box.

He was really good in a movie called The Boxer. It was about an IRA guy who got out of jail. And he looked like a real legitimate boxer. He trained for an entire year in a boxing gym. That's all he did before they filmed. So he went to a boxing gym and he essentially was there every day. You know he had to be called Mr. President set of lincoln yeah including to like a security guard there was like some older security guard that like just had got hired that day yeah he was all in he

was but those kind of people are so insufferable and then you look at their performance you go i don't know i guess it's worth it like it's i think it's got to be worth it i would not but want to be around him during the there will be Blood movie. No, definitely not. Fuck that. I just saw In the Name of the Father again. Have you seen that? It's one of his earlier movies. It's like an IRA story about... Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Such a good fucking movie.

He's so good. He's got no duds. Is that true? I don't know of any duds. Yeah, I guess you're right. I don't think he's got any duds. Oh, that's such a good movie. I love this movie. Last of the Mohicans was great, too. He was great. I don't think he's got any duds. Oh, that's such a good movie. I love this movie. Last of the Mohicans was great, too. He was great. He's great in everything.

He decided to start making shoes. Is that true? Yeah, he became a cobbler. He went too deep into the Phantom Thread. No, he just decided that's what he feels like doing right now. I think it's time for me to reveal something to you, Joe. Official statement. Daniel Day-Lewis will no longer be working as an actor.

He is immensely grateful to all his collaborators and audiences over the many years. This is a private decision, and neither he nor his representatives will make any further comment on the subject. Why be so mysterious? And also, what is this office building? Is that Photoshopped? I think someone made this account on Instagram and just put this up. DDL. I don't imagine that's by him.

Yeah, I would not imagine that he has an Instagram. So yeah, those boots you liked so much, Joe? Those are DDLs. Nice. That's right. DDLs. I was going to get us to this conversational point at some point today.

That would be a dope brand. Like if Daniel Day-Lewis started actually selling things. I would buy Daniel Day-Lewis' shoes. 100% you'd be the coolest guy in the fucking room absolutely but yeah Emma Stone in poor things I'm she's the new one is he still a cobbler does he sell shoes or does he just make them he might be one of those dudes just make shoes you want to hear a crazy cobbler uh port to the conversation we're talking about earlier 20 years ago yeah Yeah, after the boxer.

He secretly made off. Secretly made shoes, 96 to 97. Okay. My mother learned sign language because of a cobbler. Oh, wow. My grandma had her in an oral school, and she was failing, and she was isolated, and had no friends. And she was failing and she was isolated and had no friends. And my mother, my grandma went to get her shoes fixed at this cobbler and he happened to be deaf randomly. And my grandma was like, you know, talking to passing notes back and forth with him.

And he said that he'd never learned sign language and that he didn't have any friends and that he didn't have any access to the world. And he was just this like lonely cobbler. And that was the day that my grandma pulled her out of an oral school and sent her to the School for the Deaf to learn sign language. Wow. All because of a cobbler. That's awesome. Yeah, it's a wild one. Do you believe in synchronicities,

like that these things happen on purpose, that there's something, some sort of a destiny to life? I can tell you that I've been thinking about destiny a lot. She was the other stripper at the strip club looking at Stephen Hawking. No, I've been thinking about destiny a lot. She was the other stripper at the strip club looking at Stephen Hawking. No, I've been thinking about destiny a lot because of this book, because you know, these are worlds, all of these worlds that I write about in this book, like deafness and Hasidic Judaism and AA and raves and burning man and, uh, and stand up there. They don't go together except through like my body, like through me,

I'm, I'm the connective tissue. And having written this book, like now I'm, I guess I'm in my middle, in middle age or something like that. If you're lucky. If I'm lucky. Yes. Amen. May I, may I be so lucky. I'm looking back and going like, this whole thing was a path and there is no way to see destiny. I don't believe in destiny looking forward. I believe in destiny looking back i believe in destiny looking back like everywhere you land uh is destiny in this weird way because it never could have been anything else i have all these and i'm sure you do too these portals in my life you could have been a pool hustler only you you could have been and you could have gone to the pool hustler thing and then

gotten shot and been died at 25 or like there's all these multiverse possibilities of the Moshe that wasn't and the Moshe that was was always headed in this direction like I I like think about stand-up the only reason I started stand-up is because I was in Israel uh doing a semester abroad and it was in the the second intifada and it got uh shut down I got I just decided randomly to go to New York and uh and I happen to have a friend who I'd kept in touch with who was doing stand-up. And she brought me to a show that night. And I saw Patrice and Sarah Silverman. And I never even thought stand-up in my life.

I like never. I mean, I'd seen like Delirious or it's like I watched Janine's special. But I didn't care. Stand-up wasn't part of my thing. But I saw them doing their thing. And was like I couldn't believe it like I I'd been writing like long-form Monologues and like wanting to be an actor. I didn't know what I wanted to do. I wanted to write plays Maybe I wanted to be a historian. I just didn't know and then I saw them how old we I was 21 and I go

First of all Patrice was making fun of Michael J. Fox and it was like the week that his Parkinson's had been. And I was like, I like couldn't believe it felt illegal. You know what I mean? Like I was just like this, how can this be? You know? And then Sarah went on and she was transgressive in this way that was like, anyway, I go, wow, that's crazy.

And then the next night my friend was doing a set and I went and saw her and she was funny i go what the hell she's a human being like these are gods that i just saw last night you know but this is a person she's like me so i said to her when you come to the bay i'll write five minutes of material take me to an open mic i go to the open mic i do the open mic it goes pretty well and then i just like my destiny was like set i like now here i am it's 20 years later i just wrote my second book i set. I like now here I am. It's 20 years later. I just wrote my second book. I'm talking to you. I got a wife at home who's a comic who I met in comedy clubs.

I have a child at home. That's a result of the connection that the two of us have. I can't even look back and think about the other lives that could have been because it's like that to me is destiny is looking back and going.

I was like, I don't know how. I don't know how raves to burning man to deafness to hasidic judaism to aa to stand up led here but it was always leading here this is where i was going do you believe in the multiverse do you believe that there's infinite numbers of you living in different directions and infinite possibilities that have because that's what, if the people that believe that we live in one channel of essentially what's an infinite radio dial. Yeah. That's why you can only exist in the moment, really. Because it's only one thing going.

Yeah. It's only one thing going and it can go any way. And if there's an infinite number of you out there, which it likely the way the universe is, if you if you talk to people that actually understand the scope of infinity, they will tell you that not only do humans exist, but you exist. But you exist. And not only do you exist, but you exist in the form where you have done everything that you have done on this earth. You, Moshe, the guy I'm talking to right now. There's an infinite number of you. Doing the same thing. That have done that.

Exactly. Every pause that you've made. And then there's an infinite number of ones who made different choices. And there's an infinite number of different choices that they have made at every single moment of every single step of their life that's how big infinity is what is the i guess there is no purpose in that there it's like it's i don't know there still might be a purpose right there's still there's definitely a purpose to the people that exist in the moment that exist in this time that we're we're sharing if that is real, and it is felt by all of us, life is amazing. And when it is, and it's terrible when it's not, you know, there's definitely it's there's a meaning to it. It's what does that do? And what what are these moments? And what is

what is the the powerful emotion of love and the way people feel when they hear great music and all the good things that human beings are capable of and all the things that human beings do what what is that doing like what it's it's expressing energy it's expressing the universe in some weird way has taken this multi-celled being and allowed it to change the surface of the planet and experiment with video where it flies through space and hits another person's device on the other side of the planet instantaneously. What we've done is fucking bizarre. And I can't think that there's not a meaning to it. Because there's a meaning to us while it's happening would If you believe that story that I thought that I'm saying that's always the most magical story

It's my magical story and everybody has their own little version of magical story if you're lucky It's magical right right and that's not to discount people's Tragedy that right that they go through too and some of my by the way some of my path was was paved with tragedy and and That's to me the history of the of the Jews is like this sort of triumphant story that's like pockmarked with insane tragedy all the time. And then you just keep going and keep surviving. Like if you believe in destiny, like I was headed here because a force brought me here. That's magical. And if you believe in randomness, like there was no meaning, there was no, this was truly a pinball ping from wall to wall. That's just as magical to me. That's just as mind blowing.

It's all pretty magical. Existence is magical. I've always said that if life itself as you live it right now was a psychedelic drug, you would take it and be like, what the fuck is this? Well, even to exist at all scientifically is so infinitesimally like unlikely unlikely we're the perfect amount of distance from the sun to have an ozone layer and an atmosphere and then you're a human that you got to incarnate in in the human version where you're not just like a sustenance like you know the pig that you shot you could have been the pig that you shot, the, the, the, the, the, the funky pig, like that is such a rare, it feels so common. If you don't pay attention to the beauty in your life, it can feel so common and banal and life is boring and meaningless.

And if you turn around, if I turn around and like, look at the kind of magic of this existence and this incarnation, like I, and that's why I love life so much. To me, the book is about my desire to like, I want, when I die, I want to squeeze the last drop of the towel that was life. I want the last little drip of water that was in there. I want to drink it all. I want to live.

Like my religion is fun. It's not Judaism. It's fun. It's experiences. It's experiences It's like love and the connection talking to you going on stage writing a book having a family like I feel super overpaid lucky and because a lot of my friends that I grew up with her dead and like I just and I Could have been me too sure Could have been all of us. There's a lot of decisions you could have made that have not gotten you to this point right now

Yeah, me and Pete Holmes call we're talking about it. He was calling it spiritual Plinko Like it just could have plinked in a different direction and you'd be a different guy you go on a car ride one day You're in an accident you go on a car ride the other day you win the Nobel Prize Yeah, you tie your shoes before you leave the house and you avoid an accident. Or you tie your shoes and you get into an accident. So I think, yeah, that is what you're talking about living in the moment because there's so many possibilities that if you believe it one way are happening or could happen to you, then fear is, I mean, I live in fear sometimes and it's like this is so pointless because the thing you're, it's the thing with my daughter, the thing you're protecting her against, you're not protecting her against the actual thing that will Harm her and vice versa. Well, that's the thing about anxiety, right? It's preparing for something that hasn't happened, right? That's the what freaks people

I think a lot of time it affects very smart people too because they take into account all the possible scenarios that could take play Right all the variables. I Always took would tell people when I was teaching when when I was teaching martial arts, when I'd have people compete, I'd take them to tournaments. I'd be like, the reason why you're so nervous is because you're smart. The last thing you want to be is not nervous right now because nerves are going to save you. It's a terrible feeling, but you're going to get over it. But those nerves exist because you're aware of the variables. You're aware of the possibilities.

You're aware of the danger of it all. A delusional, stupid person who's just confident, they can win. It's possible. They can still win. And they can have no nerves at all. And they can go in there and they can kick everybody's ass. But you're better off being aware of what this is.

You're better. Your senses will be heightened. As long as you're not overwhelmed by fear. You're saying fear is beneficial in that way. A hundred percent. Yeah. Custom auto who trained Mike Tyson used to say, fear is like a fire.

You can cook with it or you could burn your house down. Oh, that's great. You have to be able to control it. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I mean,

the thing that happens is when people become worshipful of their fear and it takes away their ability to go out and experience life. They're so afraid of the disastrous possibilities of life that they forget to live a life. Yes. And I will say I'm not free of fear at all. I feel it all the time. You're a human being.

It's impossible to not be. Also, you live in L.A. And you got a bitch for a dog. It's possible it's a bitch. It's also possible it's betraying me because it's a German shepherd. And it's like I wasn't trained to protect Jews. Oh, good point. Okay, I got you.

Yes. Good point. Good point. No, he's a sweetheart. George Foreman had a German shepherd. And when he had a German shepherd and he brought it to Africa when he's fighting Muhammad Ali, they were very distrustful of him. Because of the dog?

Because he had a dog that they used to sick on black people. Wow. him because of the dog because he had a dog that would they used to sick on black people wow so when he was bringing this dog this guy was bringing a dog that they recognized as the enemy there's a lot of people that were very distrustful of him oh that's really interesting yeah i should have brought my dog so that helped ali if he brought my dog it would have created unity in south africa they still wouldn't have trusted it it's the breed breed. Yeah, yeah. That thing's sweet. I love him. They didn't have those breeds back then, though.

They only had one kind of German Shepherd. Oh, they were gnarly. You ever see what German Shepherds look like over the years? Yeah. Because they're trying to make them for show dogs, their hips have dropped. Right. And they look different. If you go to a German Shepherd from 1930 and then look at a German Shepherd from 2023,

it's a different animal. They're sloping. You know that um bulldogs can't true bulldogs like mca or whatever jamie's dog can't fuck they can't and they only give birth they only give cesarean birth yeah i think jamie's dog can't breed normally you got to use the turkey baster but neither can marshall i haven't tried marshall can if i let him yeah the problem is you won't let him well he was always gonna want he texted me on the way here. He said to talk to Joe, see if I can get some ass. I would definitely find a good lady that would

have to have homes for all the puppies. But, you know, it's the thing about dogs. You're not saying, I want my dog to have sex. You're saying, I want my dog to procreate. Right, right, right. That's a different thing. Yeah, yeah. They can't, right, they don't do it for, I think about that a lot, too.

That human beings, by the way, I think this is a great and lucky incarnation to be a human. It's really good. But it's also, humans are, we have warped evolution to such a degree, like we shouldn't be hung up about stuff. We can't have, sex is so simple for every other animal. It's just like i get in there boom i got a baby and we're over here going like i'm ashamed covered in clothes which is just a bizarre invention all right what a bizarre thing we've done to our bodies where we can no longer exist in the atmosphere even if it's warm people wear clothes like it's become a thing where you're

shielding your genitals from the other people because they represent your sex well also though i have heard that when people when when uncontacted tribes really um like um old school you know sustenance living sort of iron age level tribes come out of isolation and decide to join the world a big part what they want is clothes i think it might be really cold out there just in life oh yeah with no clothes well it definitely is sometimes it's not perfect all the time but i think that's why we used to be hairy right i still have some of that it doesn't seem to help i mean there's some fucking dudes in russia there's some russian wrestlers that look like They look like a human lived

200,000 years ago look like they're fucking covered in hair like everything all the way their neck all the way through their back their chest Their arms full thick hair. Yeah, it's like that's probably what we were like you ever seen a real heavy hairy Russian wrestler Sure, I mean look at this dude. Oh, yeah. That's my guy right there. I mean, this is a man that exists right now. But he doesn't look like he would stay warm in the winter. No, no, no. Because it used to be a lot thicker.

Yeah. But I think that was slowly over time when we chose to wear clothes. We invented clothes and chose to wear clothes. I think slowly over time, people lost all their body hair. But I think at one point in time, when you see these really fucking... Go to that other picture of him where you see his back and everything. That one. That one.

Perfect. Perfect. That one. That's a fucking different kind of hair than the average person has. That dude has long hair on his shoulders. Do you think that if you have more hair, you're older school? Probably. Like your genetics are older school?

probably why they're so good at wrestling too. They're probably strong as shit. That whole thing that we all have a little bit of Neanderthal DNA?

Yeah, I have a shit ton. Do you? Yeah. Yeah, look at how fucking hairy these dudes are. I think this is just

the 2023 version. I bet if you could go back 200,000 years ago, people were just covered in hair. I mean, and that's what they think about ancient hominids. It's not like one day they weren't hairy. Do you think I might be quite a man? A little manly

there. Thank you. How's the back? Back is clean, dude. I don't know how. I don't know why. It's a blessing. I'm telling you, this life is magical. I got a hairy back. Do you really? Yeah. Are you a shaver? I get I got to hair your back. Do you really? Yeah. Are you a shaver? I get my wife to shave my back. Really?

Yeah. Can you imagine what would happen if I asked Natasha to shave my back? It would be a problem. It would be a no. I can tell you that. She would do it with those gloves. The ones that go all the way up to the elbow. And she'd be complaining the entire time.

Yeah, darling. It would be hilarious. It would be hilarious. She's probably filmed that. She would never. I cannot even. I love this image, though. Elbow length gloves.

She's got a custom-made razor with golden pearls on it. Face shield. Shaving your back. Oh, yeah, one of the COVID shields. Yeah, I get hairy. As do I. Yeah, I get itchy, though, too. When I get too much hair, it pools up in between my tits, and I get itchy.

Do you shave your arms? No. Most of the time, not. But I have. I have a few times. It makes my tattoos look better. I mean, you don't look very hairy from here. Yeah, they're hair.

You can see it. You get close. This is because of all the tattoos. There's hair. My hair stops. I swear to God, my hair stops here. It's like i have a reverse farmer's tan interesting yeah maybe your people for the longest time wore short sleeves that could be true that's probably what it was you really think that yeah yeah i think that's why people have hairy uh forearms for the most part but they don't usually

have hairy shoulders uh-huh i think that's where it comes from. Evolutionarily. I think the whole thing comes from clothes. I think our whole adaptation to, I mean, if you look at it, like I would imagine urban people, like if collectively people who've lived in urban environments for longer periods of time probably have less body hair than, you know, if you follow their genetics, than people who live in like very cold rural climates, like fucking Canadian men that live in Alberta. Right. They're probably hairier dudes.

It's weird that with what you're talking about, you're kind of talking in a strange way. It reminds me of original sin, too. It's straight up biblical. Right, right. We've lost our abilities. The first big event that occurs is something goes wrong wrong and the human becomes aware of its nakedness. It's what you're talking about.

It's not about cold. It's about shame. What I do believe, in answer to a question you asked me two hours ago, are all of these rules somehow connected to a functional, nearly scientific corollary, right? Like trichinosis or whatever. I do believe that on some level, every bit of biblical information, every bit of religious information, it has some sort of allegorical and metaphorical connection to our past. Like what does it mean that Adam and Eve saw their nakedness and realized they were naked and decided to cover up. It speaks to like a historical truth.

Definitely, I don't think Adam and Eve saw their nakedness and were ashamed, but something occurred where we realized we are naked in the world and we must cover, we must cover because people can't look at what we're doing. Which just makes sense that once they started wearing clothes, seeing people without clothes would be just a shocking thing. I can tell you an exact corollary

for that in my personal life. When I go to Burning Man, last year was my 24th time at Burning Man. I've been going since 96. And you're Stone Cold Sober. Stone Sober the whole time. How dare you? I'm the guy. I'm the designated driver. When I get there, a lot of nudity. Less so

every year as things get a little bit more sanitary there but over the years lots of nudity is one of the primary characteristics women running around naked everybody naked um i will be like zero titillation like nothing about it is like homina oh mama look at that hot naked lady because it becomes normal then i get back to the states a low-cut dress i'm like, look at that over there. Oh, a little cleavage. Your mind can adjust based on your circumstances. It's erotic.

There's zero erotic charge after a week at Burning Man to see a naked woman running by, fully naked. Well, isn't that why lingerie exists? Because the whole thrill is taking it off. The thrill is that it's very sheer and there's very little of it. Like, ooh, look at that. I feel that lingerie is a con and that I've never met a man that likes it. Interesting.

Do you love it? We'll get to that in a moment. Okay, we'll be right back. Humans appear relatively hairless compared to our other ape relatives, but the density of the hair follicles in our skin is actually the same as would be expected of an ape our size.

Whoa. The follicle. The fine hairs that cover our bodies Which have replaced the thicker ones seen in our close relatives are thought to be an evolutionary leftover from our hair ancestors Yeah, there it is Make sense. Oh News sign Wow now scientists find these fine hairs are useful after all with people With more of them are better at detecting bed bugs.

More fine hairs means you're better at detecting bed bugs? Yeah, you probably feel them more. Female ancestors preferred a bug-free mate and so opted for hairier guys. Whoa. Oh, that's really interesting. How weird. I've had crabs. You ever have that?

No, I have not. I've dodged that bullet. The research has found that body hair significantly enhanced how well people detected the bed bugs, which participants noticing the bugs on the hairy arm quicker than they did when tested on the hairless arm. Interesting. The hair serving as motion detectors. Whoa. The hair also prolonged how long it took the parasites to find places to feed, presumably because they hindered movement.

Interesting. So wait, it's better to have hair or worse? Yeah, follicles. Better to have follicles. You better have some hairs. When I got crabs, I was living with my mother. Oh, shit. How old were you?

I was probably 18, 17, something like that. And they tell you at the clinic, they say, anybody that lives with you, you got to give them this insecticide too. Oh, no. So you had a sign to your mom that you got crabs? Holy shit. And she had to slather herself in insecticide

and sleep overnight with it. How mad was she at you? I'm lucky in that my mom is probably the most sexually open-minded woman in the universe and she was not mad at all she was she thought i think she thought it was funny oh that's cool yeah my mom was a great mom very chill about things like that there was a time once probably happy you were getting some that no really she used to sit my brother and i down on tuesday nights and read to us from a book called boys and sex whoa and was just like open when she found porn when i hit puberty and

she found porn she um took the porn and rather than yell at me she brought me to like a lesbian like a vibrator a feminist vibrator shop and she said you can pick any of the lesbian text-based erotica that you want she wanted to make sure if i was looking at porn it would have like 90 pages of prose poetry before we got to the good stuff. That's the kind of woman my mother was. She didn't care at all. Very open-minded. Well, that's lucky, especially in the crab situation.

Well, definitely in that situation. The whole idea of VD killing people is so strange. But that's a lot of the ways people died back in the day. It was syphilis. Right, syphilis. You couldn't treat it right it was this was pre nothing they can do before right antibiotics and penicillin and all that shit yeah what the fuck did they do i mean that's literally your your skin rotted out i've never had any of those i've only had i've only had the bugs i don't think people get it anymore if they do get it they can cure it is that true no people must yeah yeah yeah you can

get it but i think they can cure it they won't true? No, people must still get it. Syphilis? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you can get it, but I think they can cure it. It won't kill you. No, I think they just give you penicillin, I believe. Do you know that rabies, not to change the subject of it, it will kill 100% of people that display symptoms? It kills everybody. It's crazy. Yeah, if you get bit by something with rabies, you have to take painful shots. I think they go into your stomach. I think it's a large needle that goes into your stomach. And I think you have to do it multiple times. And I think if you don't do it within a certain period of time, you're done. There was a crazy story about the first woman person who ever survived symptomatic rabies that I heard on, I think Radiolab, that basically she started displaying all these symptoms and like fear of water, rage, all that kind of stuff.

And that's fatal 100% of the time. But this, anyway, her parents took her to the doctor and they go, this really made me laugh. It's tragic, but it made me laugh. The doctor's like, has anything unusual happened? Anything that you think could have maybe brought this about? And they're like, no, nothing we can think of. Nothing, not bitten by a dog or a bat. They go, oh no, yeah, she was bit by a bat. Is that what you're talking can think of a nothing not bitten by a dog or a bat they go

Oh, no. Yeah shoes bit by a bat. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah shoes bit by a bat She was at church and a bat flew under her nose and bitter. It's like yeah, I think But anyway, they put her into a coma Into because something weird about rabies apparently like your body It's kind of what we're talking about with human evolution your body can beat it But it I'm not gonna articulate this Well your body can moves to beat it, but it moves at just below the speed of the virus The virus moves faster than your body's Ability to beat it if you weren't if the virus was slower

Then your body would cure it but it like it it goes faster and so they put this girl into an imposed coma and slowed down somehow in ways I don't understand. Slowed down her her system in such a way that the that the rabies went a little bit more dormant. And then her body was able to supersede the speed of the virus. And they still do that. Well, now they do it regularly now, but it doesn't work. It's not like a universal cure, I guess. The Milwaukee Protocol recommends inducing therapeutic coma by ketamine and-

Back to the rave scene. There it is. Midazolam during rabies participants the first week of ICU admittance. So yeah, it's a system now. And it doesn't work well, but it works a lot better than- It's the ability of the natural host immune response to clear the rabies virus that the patient is supported through the intense exotoxic phase

is the basic premise of this strategy. So that makes sense too because you'd be able to hydrate them because one of the things that happens to people, they no longer can drink any water. Fear of water. They just start throwing it up as soon as it gets in their mouth.

They said in that podcast that rabies presents in the way that an ancient, by ancient, million-year-old disease presents. It doesn't feel similar to the more modern diseases and pathogens that we have in our systems now. But the way it presents, it's like an ancient killer. It's like a ghost of our past. It's crazy how common it is in the systems now, but the way it presents is like, it's like an ancient killer. It's like a ghost of our past. It's crazy how common it is in the animal kingdom too. Right. And it's really wild that it gets animals to bite you, to give it to you too.

That's how it spreads. It feels evil, right? It does feel very evil. It doesn't just feel like a sickness. Like a vampire. Yeah, right. That's it. Yeah.

First reported fatality due to rabies in the United States, despite receiving appropriate post-exposure prophylaxis, according to a recent article published in Clinical Infectiousness. Oh, he was 84. 84-year-old man had died in 2021 about six months after waking up in the morning while a rabid bat was biting on his right hand. Now, this is what we should be afraid of. Bats. This is the scary thing.

Think about it. But it is rabies, right? Because it is vampires. Because vampire bats. I think you're right. And they're. Bats. This is the scary thing. Think about it. It is rabies, right? Because it is vampires. Because vampire bats. I think you're right. And they're scared of water. It all seems like animals. People used to use garlic to keep bats away.

Is that true? It's not 100% effective, but that's medieval times. That's really interesting. The vampire thing is probably rabies. How do we solve this? Bam. We did it. We did it, dude.

Dude, rabies, by the way, is like the fact that it killed, that article said it killed the guy who took the appropriate. Yeah, but he was old. If that happened, we're fucked. You know what the Tasmanian devil? Mm-hmm. Yeah. They're all dying of a contagious face cancer. Yeah, it's like a VD, right?

Is that what it is? It's a cancer, though. Right, it's cancer. Imagine cancer goes contagious. Right. That's the scariest thing I've ever heard in my life. The fact that it can exist in one animal means it could exist in all of them. Very, very

scary. What is it from? Tasmanian devils are affected by two independent transmissible cancers known as the devil facial tumor and the devil facial tumor 2. Both cancers are spread by biting and cause the appearance of tumors in the face or inside the mouth of affected Tasmanian

devils. So that's not a sexually transmitted disease. No, speaking of a disease feeling mean, like what you're saying with rabies, the reason that they, oh, why? That's crazy. The reason that they transmit it so much, they have the cancer in their thing and they've got a behavioral tick where the way that they, I think fight, is to like mash their

faces together. So they have the conf tick where the way that they, I think, fight is to like mash their faces together. So they have the confluence of the disease that can spread that way and the behavioral tick that allows it to spread. These viruses are just like us. They want out. They want to live. They want to survive. And they will somehow weirdly find a way to spread themselves. Well, that's why variants are so strange. a way to spread themselves.

Well, that's why variants are so strange. Like the virus will find out that you have some immunity to some certain aspect of it. And so they just slightly change. So it sneaks past your immune system. I had a weird, very cosmic theory about the pandemic and COVID. I know that you don't cotton with conspiracy theories about covid but i do um no i'm joking um the that i this is more uh sort of metaphysical though when we were raised our family like i remember being told to wash my hands like all the time right but i don't really feel like i told my kids that like it wasn't like it used to be like almost religious like wash wash wash wash, wash, wash. And then by the time I had my kid, I told her to wash her hands. But it wasn't like you must. And then all of a sudden, a new pathogen came into the human genome. And it was like, I mean, obviously, I don't think that washing hands is that big of a deal with COVID. But I had this thought, what if viruses go like dormant until we kind of forget because the reason this is my big

weird theory the reason that we were told wash wash wash is residual trauma from spanish flu this is my theory here right it's like it's like your grandparents lived through that and then they embedded it in your parents like wash your hands it's super important and then it got to you and then it started to fade away a little bit and then all of a sudden you have a new pathogen I was like what if these viruses have a little like a weird sort of Animal consciousness of like okay. They've forgotten about the washing hands thing. Let's let's pop up into the human population Anyway, I know it's a little kooky. Yeah, I don't think that's it The Spanish flu ones weird because you know the people didn't really die from the Spanish flu

They died of other diseases that they got while they had the Spanish flu one's weird because, you know, the people didn't really die from the Spanish flu. They died of other diseases that they got while they had the Spanish flu. Like, what did they die of? They died of meningitis and stuff. There was a bunch of different things that people died from. All of which would be cured by antibiotics today. Do you know how it got the name Spanish flu? This is an interesting story. I do, but I forgot.

Basically, it wasn't Spanish. It started in America, but we were in the midst of World War I, and so every country was in this media embargo to not say, oh, God, there's a new disease in America because it would have made our army look weak. And every other country didn't want to admit it either, but Spain was either not involved in the war

or didn't have that embargo. Somehow they reported the disease. And so they, so for the rest of the time, it's Spanish flu. Another weird thing I found out the flu that you get today is, is the Spanish flu. It's the variant that, that sprung off from the Spanish flu, like weakened and weakened and weakened an infinite amount of times. But the thing that we get that we call flu is just the the cousin of the spanish flu wow and the reason why it's weak is because it serves the virus better to not kill you exactly because it could spread to more people

what a weird fucking thing it's wild it's almost like they i don't mean literally with my cockamamie theory that it was consciousness let's go back i mean more like that, like that it'll weaken in order to be effective. Which is the fact that it can do that, that it adjusts and changes. That's what's really scary. Like a lot of people are scared of this disease called CWD right now. CWD is called chronic wasting disease, and it's affected a lot of deer. And there's deer all over the country that have this chronic wasting disease, and it hasn't jumped to humans. I think it has jumped to some mice. I think there's in some

parts of the country, they've tested mice and they tested positive for this stuff, but it hasn't jumped. It's a prion disease. So it's like a mad cow, you know, Yucca-Kruzfeld disease. And then if you get it, you're fucked. You're fucked. And the end is horrific. You know, these deer are wandering around just drooling, emaciated. They look like skeletons. And they're just like zombies.

I don't like this chronic wasting disease. Well, it's very scary. It's all these things are scary because occasionally they jump. Right. Because these things, they can figure out a way to change. They morph over time. It's not if, it is when with pathogens jumping into the room.

It will happen. Especially with large-scale agriculture. Right, right. And the thing about large-scale, especially industrial agriculture, is it's very unsanitary. It's fucking disgusting. Yeah. And just like how the plague was started in all these different parts of the world

because people were shitting in the streets and living in filth and no sanitation, that's probably exactly how it starts with them as well. The virus is particularly deadly because it triggered a cytokine storm, ravaging the strong—you're talking about the Spanish flu. Spanish flu. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know about that. That's one of the Spanish flu. Spanish flu. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know about that.

That's one of the weirdest facets of Spanish flu. It killed young, healthy people more than it killed old and infirm. Yeah, it killed young soldiers. Apparently, it was no more aggressive than previous influenza strains. Malnourishment, overcrowded medical camps and hospitals, poor hygiene, exacerbated by the war, promoted bacterial super infection infection killing most of the

victims after a typically prolonged deathbed that is crazy super infection it was scary word man it was the war yep so it's like it's like we became a part of the pathogen human society became a part of the pathogen that allowed it to kill gnar. Apparently the 2009 swine flu was really bad too. Burt got that. He says the closest he ever felt to dying. Scary. He said it was horrible. He said the worst flu he's ever gotten in his life.

He was wrecked forever. What about a new non-influenza virus? What does it say? However, as historical records dating back to the 1700s show, every 10 to 40 years, the world suffers a global flu pandemic, the result of a major antigenic drift. The virus mutates so much that the human body no longer recognizes it and is left defenseless. The resulting epidemic spreads faster than scientists can isolate, producing, and distribute a vaccine. This is what happened in 1918. Dude, this is sort of my cockamamie theory.

Well, it is. I mean, if you think about all the different diseases that kill people, they are coexisting life forms. You know? Right. Viruses and bacteria, they're a type of life. Some sort of—I don't know if they really call viruses life forms. They don't. They categorize them in a different way.

But it's essentially, it is like a life form. It's the same thing. It just wants to fuck. It's just like Marshall. It just wants to live in your body and reproduce in there and get to other people. But the wildest one is rabies because it makes the animals bite so that they get it too So other people get it other animals get it. It makes them more aggressive. It's really like I said that it's like a prehistoric a Megalodon it's coming from our past or disease. Yeah

Well, that was the the premise of 28 days later, right? I mean that right yeah, they created one and gave it to chimps and the chimps are just biting people. That movie fucking rules, man. I do love that movie. The great manure crisis of 1894. This also caused a lot of disease problems. The streets, because everyone had a horse,

were filled with shit. That's all horse shit. Click on that one up there that has a text below it. Yeah, that one. Look at that. That's manure. That's shit. Click on that one up there that has a text below it. Yeah, that one. Look at that. That's manure. That's shit all throughout the street. So you're smelling shit. Everyone's getting shit in their nostrils.

If you're smelling it, that means that some of that is getting in your body. You're inhaling shit. The Ravagan lobster was piled over 60 feet high. But on a positive note, that prankster on TikTok, this was a glory year for him. He was able to find buckets of shit right at his very feet. They didn't have YouTube back then.

He really couldn't make a living. I mean, I don't think he's making a living. I think he's arrested. I think that's good. Look at that, 1894. The great horse manure crisis of 1894. Until they figured out cars. That's how people got around.

You had to ride a fucking animal. Which is pretty wild. That's how people got around. You had to ride a fucking animal. Which is pretty wild. That's pretty recent. What's that? That until like 200 years ago, you had to ride a fucking animal. It's wild. And in that poor things, there was, I think it was historical, sort of semi-historical. There was a combustion engine cab, but it was a stagecoach with a fake horse head on it.

In the very beginning of stagecoaches, people were so used to having a horse in front. It would just be like a little head. That makes sense. Godfather style. Yeah. It's crazy how much the world has changed in 200 years. It feels unsustainable. Oh, have you heard this?

You know about the Fermi's paradox, right? Fermi. Yeah. The space paradox. Yeah. Okay. The space paradox. Yeah. Okay, so you know that, I'm sure you did,

the latest theory on why they, because that's the question that it raises. If there's an infinite amount of planets, where are the people? Where are the aliens? Right. And the new theory, this really sent a chill down my spine,

is that every planet goes through the same basic process, which is that they become in 200 years. They go from pre-industrial revolution to industrial revolution to strip mining themselves for resources. And then their population explodes because they can sustain more population and they need to extract more resources. And then they go to get to their like space age. they go to get to their like space age and by the time human any planet gets to like space exploration it has exploded in population and resource um stripping to such a degree that they reach a decision that they have to make every society is either we continue to strip mine and populate and go extinct because we're going to run out of room and resources. Or we shut down and do an imposed like Dark Ages.

Population control. Just like shut everything down, stop. So we will never evolve to the point where we can get to an Earth because we all go through the same historical arc. Or maybe it's a longer arc than we think. That could be true. And maybe we're in the middle of it and maybe that's what asteroids are for. arc than we think that could be maybe we're in the middle of it and maybe that's what asteroids are for maybe asteroids come along when we get a little cocky and they slam into the earth and we start from scratch again and then we have the same genetics as the intelligent people that figured

out how to build the pyramids but we're this new confused barbaric version of it that's been fucking eating rats for a thousand years oh i like that so it's there's not just an infinite amount of joes and moshes there's an infinite amount of Joes and Moshes, there's an infinite amount of human populations, like just regenerating and regenerating for an infinite amount of time till we get to the good one. Well, I'm a big fan of what they call

the Younger Dryas Impact Theory. And the Younger Dryas Impact Theory is based on a bunch of things. But one of the things it's based on is core samples. When they've done these core samples, they show that around 11,800 years ago, without a doubt, the Earth was hit by comets. And they think this is what happened that stopped the ice age. This is why the polar ice caps that used to be ice covering North America, half of North

America be a mile plus sheet of ice. And then it all stopped very quickly. And it also caused the death, the extinction of 65% of the mammals that lived. Right. I've heard about that. Yeah. And they think, the people that are proponents of this theory, like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson, they think that human beings had achieved a very high level of sophistication in probably a different direction than we have now. And that's the pyramids. That's Gobekli Tepe. That's all these ancient structures that they don't understand

how people could have explained or built a long, long, long fucking time ago that we can't do now. Right. And that's what happened. The impacts happened. And then society rebuilds thousands of years later.

Right. So thousands of years of barbarism. And then 6,000 years ago in Mesopotamia, language, written language emerges, agriculture. They start figuring things out again. It's like Atlantis. Yeah. Yes. Natasha was into this documentary. Yes.

Yeah. I remember this now. Ancient Apocalypse. That's right. It's on Netflix. It's amazing. And it's very likely that that's, there's physical evidence now. It used to be this wacky theory and people would say, well, there's very likely that that's, there's physical evidence now. It used to be this wacky theory. And people would say, well, there's no evidence of that theory. And then they started discovering things that they, like Gobekli Tepe is the best example, that are absolutely, absolutely over 11,000 years old.

And so they go, okay, 11,000 years ago, people were building these complex stone structures. Like how the fuck did they do that when we thought people were hunter-gatherers back then? Right, right. And then when they find these core samples, there's a high level of iridium in that time period. And that's very common in space and very rare on earth. And it's like a sheet of it. As long as also with a sheet in a lot of these areas, it's just pure carbon where it seems like everything burned. And so it's very likely that we were pelted and it's very likely it's going to happen again. Every June and every November, we pass through this comet storm. You always do this to me.

You're the one that told me about the super volcano. Yes. And I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since. You should think about it. Why? What good does it do me? It doesn't do you any good, but it's good to know that every 6,000 to 800,000 years, Yellowstone goes.

Don't re-up this information. And when Yellowstone goes, it's a wrap. It's a continent killer. Oh, I don't want that. I don't want wasting disease. I don't want continent killer and other things I don't want. But maybe those are the things that keep us from getting to the place where we nuke each other into oblivion. Maybe those are the reset buttons of the universe where if we go down the bad path,

Where if we go down the bad path and maybe there's this race to try to be – to have good morals and ethics and have society evolve at the same level that the human mind and technology evolves. And to overcome this constant need for war and controlling resources which have dominated human culture from the beginning of time. And that maybe it's this battle. Maybe this culture war that we're all fighting that people are complaining about now maybe part of that is this sort of struggle to Achieve a higher level of existence and maybe it's done in the wrong way on both sides to a certain extent But ultimately what it is is trying to sort out what's right and what's wrong and what's good and what's bad and why certain things take place. And if we don't, if we don't get to that and we keep engaging in wars, then we never reach a technological level of sophistication that allows us to stop natural

disasters. Right, right. If we can get to a point where we can knock asteroids out of the sky and do something to release the pressure of the super volcano and figure out a way to not have people starve. And all those things could be accomplished if we get to a certain point. And I think we're in a race. I think AI plays a gigantic part of that race. I think the race just got really fucking weird. That's what I think. Yeah.

Well, Neuralink, I mean, you know, the doomsday scenario of AI. And by the way, you're an optimist. That's what I think. Yeah. Well, Neuralink, I mean, the doomsday scenario of AI, and by the way, you're an optimist. That's interesting. I didn't know that. It seems like you're kind of an optimist. I'm optimistic. I think human beings generally, society, if it exists long enough, there's always going to be terrible moments, but ultimately people want the same thing. They want their community to be good. They want their friends to live. They want their families to live. You're terrified of other people that might want to take from you the thing that gives you joy and happiness and community and love. But ultimately, I think we're going to figure out a way if human beings can exist long enough,

we can work things out much better than we're doing right now. I think one of the things that hinders our ability to work things out is just like you were talking about sign language, like that your sign from America is different than the sign from the United Kingdom. I think if we develop a universal language through translation, through technology, we will eliminate a lot of miscommunication and a lot of this failure to understand each other because we look at each other as the other. We look at each other as something that's very different than us. Right. And they're already doing that on Samsung phones.

Samsung phones, the new Galaxy S24 Ultra comes out with AI. And one of the features of AI is a translate. So we can sit apart from each other. And in real time, this thing could take your, if you're speaking French. In my headphones. You can do it in your ears, in your headphones, or you could do it on the phone in written language. Yeah. It does both.

And if it's in headphones, we both have it. And I could talk to you in English and you could understand it if you speak French. Because it'll translate into perfect French. And then we're close enough as it is. Right. It'll get better. And then you can speak French and I will hear it in English.

We need that for like a liberal and conservative. You just put headphones in and it's like, oh, that's what you meant. Okay, you're okay. It's not even that. I mean, that's the tribal part. Right, right, completely. The tribal part is that people

just adopt ideologies wholeheartedly. And if you don't, you're not on the team. Just like the people that were in your neighborhood looked at you weird, like you were a goyim because you're not all the way in. Right. Tribalism is the downfall of society. But I also, I love tribes. I do love- If they're cool tribes, we just need charitable, conscientious tribes that are kind to other people and just enjoy the differences instead of thinking the differences as being like some sort of a negative.

And that's what you're saying is that we're hopefully we're evolving towards a situation where with a universal language or at least a universal understanding, you can see someone that's different and think that they're not. What are the difference between isn't that awful to isn't that interesting? Yes. And then because we're in a growth phase, you're going to go through overcorrections. I think a lot of the cultural war that we're involved in, all the craziness that's happening in society, it's an overcorrection.

And then people are going to get fed up with it and they're going to move into a more conservative direction. And they'll get fed up with that. And then they'll move to a more liberal direction. It's like it goes back and forth because we're trying to figure out what's the right way to do it and we're basing life on what we were taught by people who didn't know what the fuck they were doing which is most of our parents and most of their parents like they didn't know what the fuck they were doing they that my grandparents didn't know what the fuck was going on in the world they raised kids didn't

know what the fuck was happening they raised me i know i barely know what the fuck is going on my kids know more than me. Their generation will figure it out a little bit better. And if we can stay alive, we can eventually get to some commonality. And we can realize that a lot of this stupidity is based on our human system of these tribal interactions. It's kind of ingrained in our genetics. Or we need a mega enemy. Maybe that's AI.

We all come together as a tribe. Orfos that's our mega and will you please get here guys because we need to solve some of these problems here here already oh yeah i think they've always been here why don't they just be like hey what's up dimensional and i think i've been reading this i've been reading uh diane pasolka's new book the other book the first one that's the one i got through yeah so i this lady who's a religious scholar, I'm reading American Cosmic now. We've got to get you out of here. Oh, sorry, yeah.

I have a book event tonight. Tonight's the night. With Duncan. With Duncan, tonight, yeah. I'm super excited. I could fucking talk to you all night. Yeah, we'll wrap this up, but I'll recommend this book to people.

It's called American Cosmic, and it's essentially about this whole flying saucer. You, I just did a whole podcast with the woman, but now this is a previous book that I'm reading and it connects it to religion and it connects it to the stories in the Bible of Ezekiel, that Ezekiel is essentially seeing a UFO and that these things are not just a physical thing,

that there there's some sort of a psychological aspect to them. There's some sort of a frequency that we connect to occasionally as human beings, as thinking creatures. You're saying we get to a state of kind of enlightenment where the dimensional portal opens up for a split second and that's what we see. I don't know if you would call it enlightenment. Or frenzy, spiritual frenzy state of able being able to receive whatever the frequency these things operate on and it's i i think it's based on i think there's a lot of stories from ancient religion that's probably based on this and i think is as we get more and more of an understanding of quantum physics and this concept of dimensions and this concept of the ability of something that's far more advanced than us to manipulate dimensions and to visit back and forth.

And that the potential is that maybe that is where all intelligent life forms eventually evolve to if given enough time and they do it correctly. They become interdimensional travelers and that what we're looking at when we're looking at these these grays these weird looking things yeah that's us in the future coming back to visit yeah interdimensionally that this is this is our path that we'll become these genderless things the giant heads that use telepathy well just like this Elon Musk invention, this Neuralink that's going to allow you to scroll so paralyzed people can use the internet. Right. It's going to be able to operate machinery.

One of the things that Bob Lazar said about that craft right there, the sport model that he allegedly worked on in Area 51, Site 4, was that they didn't have controls in them. They operated them with their minds. And it's so funny because when he first said that, it probably sounded, I mean, it still sounds a little bit like bullshit. It sounds a little crazy. It sounds crazy. But when you look at Neuralink, you go, wait a minute.

I guess I could see operating a craft with my mind in a thousand years from now. There's that idea that AI, when robotics catches up to AI and AI can implant itself in a thousand years from now there's that idea that ai you know when it when robotics catches up to ai and and ai can implant itself in a robot warrior then they then they are like an entity yeah and then they look and they go what is the only threat to us oh it's humans let us let us get rid of the terminator so that makes it so that our only hope is neural link is hopefully we can fuse and go fuse and the AI will not say what's our threat. They go, oh no, that's us.

Yeah, we will emerge. That's our meet us. I think that's what's going to happen no matter what because I think once it happens, the people that have it will have such a massive advantage over everyone else

that has to use a device. It's like steroids. Yeah, well, it's not just like that. It's like having a car, living in a house, having a television, having the internet. If you live in the woods by yourself with no language you're fucked right it's like the tribe coming out of the jungle and saying i want some clothes

exactly but on a mega mega level mega mega level i think that's where we're going i think that's what the ufos are well oh i mean do you think that in this universe my book is a bestseller i think it's going to be fucking huge. Thank goodness. Now, this is what's important. There it is right there. A subculture vulture, a memoir in six scenes by Moshe Kasher, available now. Did you do the audio book? I did do the audio book.

Yes. Yeah, I did. Thank God you didn't let an actor do it. That sucks. No, never. Although what's really funny is there's a part- Did they try to pressure you to do it? No, no, no.

They wanted me to do it. I think they like when comics do it, but there's a funny part in there where my friend Larry, early in my life, throws me up against a wall at an AA meeting and tells me to stop saying the N-word. And he's a black kid, a black friend of mine. And it was like when I was like thought that I had a pass or whatever. And it's a moment about like, you know, popping your head out of your ass basically. Like he basically threw me up against the wall and like shifted my perspective into like, of course, that's not what I'm supposed to be doing. But I had this passage in the book where I was like, I mean, it's very short passage, but I'm like, I'm not reading that shit.

And so I went forensically into my past and contacted Larry and said, Larry, it would be awesome if you would read the part of Larry. And I found him and he did it. That's amazing. So it the part of Larry. And I found him, and he did it. That's amazing. So it's me and Larry. That's great. That's awesome. It's out now. I'm going to see you tonight.

Oh, awesome. I'll see you at the club. See you at the club. Good luck at your book event. Say hi to Duncan for me. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me back on. My pleasure, brother.

It was awesome. It was really fun. I really enjoyed it. We've got to do it more often. I would love to. All right. Let's do it. All right.

Bye. I would love to. All right, let's do it. All right, bye.