The Joe Rogan Experience - #2108 - Tom Green

Episode Date: February 24, 2024

Tom Green is a comedian, actor, musician, filmmaker, and podcaster. Catch him on "The Tom Green Podcast" or live on tour in 2024. www.tomgreen.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience. Showing my day Joe Rogan Podcast by night all day. Just, just, just, just, just. See ya, bro. It's you two, you two. And we're up. What the fuck is happening to me? Yeah, yeah.

Great to be here, man. My man. Made it back, made it back. Last time I saw you, I don't know, my eyes might have been a little crossed. Well, last time I saw you was last night. Right, last time. And the day before that. That's true, that's true.

We'd start with that then. But the last time we saw each other on a podcast. Yeah. Things went a little Western. We got a little toxicated. So, absolutely. So, you know, the whiskey kept pouring, the whiskey kept pouring. And that was when I was, I had that van.

So I was, I still have the van, but at the time I was, I was kind of living in the van, traveling in the van. So I drove here. Heavy COVID. This is like the beginning of COVID where it was like, weird to be around each other. Like, are we okay? We got tested. Yeah, right. okay? We got tested, okay?

Yeah, right. We did, got the COVID test. And then I had the van out in the parking lot. And we started drinking the whiskey, but midway through the show. And then the next thing I know, I'm opening my eyes in my van. And it's the next day.

And I'm just like, oh shit, what happened on the show? So I think maybe the last half hour of the show was such a blur. I don't really quite remember getting the van. But I had a nice sleep in the parking lot. It was amazing. And then I kind of was a little nervous about that. Geez, that's a weird feeling when you...

Don't know what you said. Don't know what you said. Yeah. And I called my mom. And everybody seemed, you know, like it was... People thought it was funny, but I mean, I think she was a little concerned about the drinking, the amount of drinking. But no, that was a great time.

But I'm not... It was fun! Yeah, it was a great time. It was fun, so we got a little off the rails. You didn't have to go anywhere. Van was parked. It was awesome, it was awesome. What is it like sleeping in parking lots? That's gotta be an odd thing.

Well, I rarely did that in the van. It was mostly out in these remote desert parks, like out in Bureau of Land Management land, Beale Landland in the desert. And I was going around filming. And so I wasn't... But there was a couple of times I'd sleep in a truck stop because I was wanting to make a lot of distance. So I'd drive until I kind of couldn't keep my eyes open, then I'd pull over at a truck

stop and sleep between... It's a sketchy proposition, right? You don't know who's around. Yeah, well in the desert it's a little more nerve-wracking because you're all alone out there and people can see the van and the distance and it's a pretty nice van. That's when the aliens come too. Uh-huh, yeah. We're all alone.

I was hoping for that but... Nothing? No aliens. I had a nice flyover from a US fighter jet in the Trona Pinnacles in this amazing part of desert in California. Oh yeah. And I was the only person there and I could tell this fighter jet saw me and he just kind of came in right over there.

Oh wow. Right over there. Just to say hi. Yeah and I didn't get my camera out in time. I flew in one of those ones. Yeah. With the blue angels. Oh yeah. God, it's insane.

When you realize what those jets can do. And I think what they were flying was like an F-A-18. See if that's true. Nice. Yeah. I think that's it. That's what we did. I believe they are actually.

I think they have even more capable jets now. Because this is when, I want to say this is like 2003 to something like that way back in the day. I have a plaque, you know, it says you flew with the Blue Angels. Pulled major G forces. I've never been in a fighter jet. Yeah, I think I did six and a half Gs, something like that.

And I stayed conscious, but then I blacked out when I forgot to do the hooking on a lesser run. Like it was lesser, it was like 4 Gs or something like that. You forgot to do the what's the- Oh, I'm sorry. You, you, when you're, um, when you're going through high Gs, you do a thing called hooking. I think that's how they say it. When you hold on to the joystick, or you can hold on to your straps on your legs if you're the pastor like I was, and you go like this.

Huch, huch, huch, huch. And you're literally forcing blood into your head to stay conscious. So while we're doing this, I'm feeling, that's what you're doing. See how she's doing that? Nice. See how she's doing it?

Yeah. So this is why- That's how you stay conscious. That's how you stay conscious you have to force the blood into your fucking brain It seems like it's kind of slightly on the edge of not being a perfect system, right? Like you gotta be a bad motherfucker to fly those things those guys were all Lifting like all those blue angels piles are all jacked up like super diesel yeah because these guys are just fucking fucking a girl they're wrestling with that thing yeah like it's not as simple as like your tool to do your like the physical force of

going to six G's is so extraordinary you haven't felt anything like it in your life when you're and these guys can go to like 13G, some of them. It's fucking insane. I don't think I would want to do that actually. I would probably just, I sometimes don't want to do those kinds of things. You don't have to do it. Yeah, yeah, it looks amazing, but I just feel like- I'm glad I did it.

Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, after. Just as a wake-up call, like you think you understand, you see a jet and I think of it almost like, well obviously like driving a race car It's very difficult, right? But driving a car fast is not that difficult Yeah, you know like if you have a good car if you buy a new car today that handles really well You can if there's no one around you can go pretty fucking fast and it's really in control But those things are different man. It's like there's a physical experience

It's so fast. There's so much power and force behind those things. You got a plane yet? You're getting a plane, Joe? No. No. Bill Burr pilots. Bill Burr flies around in a goddamn helicopter. Took me up around downtown LA. You can fly wherever you want in a helicopter. Yeah. Helicopters are even more of a no-no for me I guess because they seem to go down a little too much, you know I've been in a few I flew a black in a black Hawk through you know Baghdad and did one of those USO tours went to stand up over there back in 2003 how was that

that was pretty pretty wild experience it was it was right before, like it was probably fortunately for my nervous system right after the mission accomplished banner and right before shit hit the fan with the IEDs. So I was kind of thinking, oh, it's okay, no big deal. And we were over there in the green zone and we were flying around in the Blackhawk helicopter. One night they said, you want to go out on a night patrol in like a tank? And I was all set to go and then they had to cancel it because of some sort of attack. And then we started hearing there's some stuff happening. We were there for a few days only, but they started avoiding stuff on the road and the Humvees. And then the second I got back to stateside, that's when it started to get real

bad over there. But I did a few of those. I did Afghanistan as well and was on Chinook helicopters. Oh, wow. Because my dad was military. So that's why I'm rocking the Canadian Army jacket. Canadian Army. We've got an army.

I heard recently. I recently heard about it. They didn't fight too hard against tyranny. Here we go. No, it's, well we did, you know, actually we fought pretty hard against the Germans. I mean the internal. Yeah, oh yeah, I know, I know, I know. Internal government tyranny.

Yeah, it's fun. You know, I watch your show all the time, Joe, so it's like, I know, I'm a very proud Canadian. Tom, you're the granddaddy of the show. The granddaddy? Well, yeah. I don't know about that, but I mean, first of all, you've always been very nice to, you know, give me a shout out about those early days of broadcasting in the living room, huh? Well, dude, you're an awesome guy.

I've always loved you. You're always cool to be around. And you also, your show in 2007, when I went on your show, that was 100%, a major inspiration for me to do this. Because I remember thinking, oh my God, he figured it out. Like I remember very clearly, like sitting next to you on that chair going, dude, this is it. Like this is it.

All you have to do is figure out how to make money with this. Yeah. You said that on the show. Yeah. Which was hilarious, and then you figured that out. Yeah. You really figured that out. That's cool. That was the missing link, damn it. But no, no, that's amazing.

No, it's, you know, I remember when we were doing it, I had, you know, I always wanted to do a talk show when I was growing up. I love Letterman, right? And I'd done my show on... You were great at it. Yeah, I really did enjoy... The first show was more me out in the street doing crazy stuff, and then we did a talk show which was a little bit more of a sort of a nightly show, a little bit more time

to talk. And I did love doing that when the show stopped. It was right at the time of technology changing on the web. That was always kind of how I was kind of looking at technology usually because when I was a kid I was in a rap group and it was from technology. I remember drum machines came out and we were listening to a public enemy and went, what are these sounds? How do you do that? Right? And then I would go work a summer job.

I'd buy a sampler and a Kias 900 sampler and a tari computer and I'm making beats in my parents' basement in Ottawa, Canada. No one's making beats in Ottawa, Canada. We started this group called Organized Rhyme. What year is this? This was, well, we started in mid-80s. So this is all pre-internet? Yeah, pre-internet, yeah.

Yeah, this was high school. So how are you finding out about all this stuff back then? Well, that was friends at school, we're listening to rap music, so friends at school were like, hey, you got to check out Public Enemy, you got to check out Boogie Down Productions. I'm like, Boogie Down Productions, then you get someone to give you a cassette of like the criminal-minded boogie down productions, Bridges Over album, and you're listening to it, and they're rapping about Scott LaRocque, they're DJ, who'd been, you know, unfortunately, you know, passed away in bad circumstances, he was shot and killed, and then you're listening to this sort of, that was the internet to me. It was rap music and skateboarding. Thrasher magazine was skateboarding.

You'd read stories about skateboarders in California in a magazine, you'd listen to rap music and hear stories about people who are not in Ottawa doing cool shit. And I was kind of wanting to get up on stage and perform. I was trying to dabbling with stand Up at Yuck Yucks in the Comedy Club in Ottawa. When you say dabbling?

Well, I was doing Stand Up. I was doing Stand Up, but I never really got to really a level where I was kind of, I was doing it every week. I was going down every week for a couple of years. And actually, the reason I stopped was because the rap group got kind of sort of a record deal basically and I kind of went focused on that for a while and stopped doing stand-up. But yeah, the club in Ottawa, Yuck Yucks in Ottawa, still there. It's moved, but it's owned by Howard Wagman who's, Yuck Yucks is kind of like the improv of Canada, you know, it's a chain all across the country. Mark Breslin, I'm sure you know Mark, he's started it. And it's, he's kind of like, it was wild because like, I don't know, it was something

about the 80s, the 90s, before the internet, right? You'd go down to a comedy club and you'd find out about stuff just through word of mouth, like the rap music and like comedy. So I would go down to the comedy club and I remember Norm MacDonald would come through and he was probably 25 years old, right? And I'm 16 in the audience and then I got to become this huge fan of Norm. And he was Norm. But back then there wasn't a lot of people doing stand up like Norm. Like there wasn't this sort of angle of sort of this absurdity to it, this sort of, this sort of, there was a more of a structured down the middle way of doing stand up back then. And so Norm was

this sort of, you know, you know, It was a curveball. Yeah, this was a sort of curveball and we just couldn't get enough of it. So every time we was in town, we'd be down there. Howard Wagman told me this story about Norm and, you know, the first time he came down to do stand up at Yuck Yucks in Ottawa and he got off stage and he was disappointed in how it went. Norm was, he said, I'm never doing this again. He walked down the street. Howard Wagman chased him down Spark Street and Otto once said, no, that was great.

You're coming back and you made him come back and the rest is history. Norm was a legitimate genius. Like a genius of life, like a rare specimen. Genius in not just that his comedy was brilliant but just just like look at this I've never seen this before. Like a totally different kind of human. Yeah. You know and genuinely always funny. Like every conversation was funny. He was just funny. I was on plane with him accidentally twice. Nice. Twice. Must have been amazing. twice on two separate occasions

Just totally random. We sat next to each other and play like whoa. This is crazy Yeah, and the last one it was so funny because he was telling me about how we quit smoking Yeah, I quit smoking. It's fucking turns out. It's real bad for you This whole thing about quitting smoking and we're talking about about like how hard was it to quit this whole thing? The moment we land he walks into the gift shop buys a pack of cigarettes And he's lighting them before he gets out the door. Yeah, I thought you quit he goes like dead And all that talking about it made me want to smoke. Yeah, it's probably all an elaborate setup, right? He probably was planning it the whole way.

I don't know. Who knows, he probably doesn't even smoke, he was just doing it as a gag. No, he was in the gambling too, right? So like people that have those kind of like impulse control issues, like gambling is a big impulsive thing, like I'm gonna bet on it. Let's put the bet, put the bet, bet, bet.

All of it, all of it. You know that kind of wild, crazy sports gambling too? That's not a good addiction to have, especially when you have money, right? That's a scary addiction, man. I watched Dana White gamble. I watched Dana White play Blackjack and he was down $600,000.

Am I fucking hands or sweating? I just, I was going, what are you guys doing? That's real money. This is so crazy. He does it every night! He does it constantly. There's people that love it, they love it, they love the action. It's thrilling. For me, it's fortunately I've never liked numbers. Like math was never something I enjoyed. So when it comes to blackjack, you're going, you're doing math in my head and I get very uncomfortable.

So I just go, I'm not going to be good at this. That's a great reason to not gamble. You hate math class. Yeah, I just figured I'm not going to be good at this because I can't even really add up what I'm supposed to be doing here quickly. So I'm just going to just sit on the side. Plus I'm cheap. I don't want to lose money.

Not a math person either. It's a concentration thing. It's like if you concentrate on math, really got good at the basics of it, and then really started getting into more complex mathematics, it'd probably be very fun, probably be very exciting. But the problem is I never concentrated in high school at all. I didn't pay attention to it.

So I'm so removed. Like if people start talking about math, like complex shit. I checked out at Long Division. Long Division I checked out. Like our calculators available, they're pretty much everywhere, right? Right. And aren't there's like an unlimited supply of batteries? I'm like, I'm out. This is what I'm wondering, you know, now with our phones and our Google and everything,

like we don't have to learn any of that anymore. I don't know anyone's phone number. We don't really have to learn anything anymore. I know like Eddie Bravo's phone number. I't know anyone's phone number. We don't really have to learn anything anymore. I know Eddie Bravo's phone number. I know my wife's phone number. I might know two other numbers. When I was a kid, I had 100 numbers in my head. Yeah.

He could call your grandmother. I still remember my phone number from when I was a kid. Yeah, you could call your friends. I could say it now, but that person probably wouldn't like that very much. I got my phone number memorized from when I was in high school. It was our first phone number. I couldn't believe we had a phone number.

I'm like, wow. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but that's- I knew we had phone numbers before, but that was the first one that I remembered. And then we, that was the first answer machines too. Right. That was wild. Remember, you would, if you want, if you're out and you're trying to meet somebody and

they're going to meet you and then they don't show up and you want to figure out where they are You'd go to a payphone put a quarter in it Call your phone and then put your code in and check your answering machine or your voice mail from like a from the mall You thought you were living in this nature They'd leave a message on your answering machine to tell you hey, sir I'm gonna be a little late and then you hang up and then you know cost you a quarter, but yeah Yeah, that was that's how crazy everything's changed and such a small house you were gone mm-hmm no one knew where the fuck you were absolutely there

was yeah there's no snap map or kids today they look at each other on snapchat maps where they all know where they are at any moment in time there's no shenanigans. Yeah. No, I was thinking about like how when I was a kid, you know, we would be able to very easily manipulate, you know, the situation with my parents and say, okay, I'm going over to my friend's house. Right. I'm going to Bobby's house.

Go out drinking and skateboarding all night. Yeah. No, that was better like that, you know. These kids today, they're tracked. Everyone's tracked. It's not your parents, it's the government. And we're not going to be able to really get rid of it now too, that's the thing. There's no way this is going to turn back.

No one's ever going to decide this has gone too far. It's just going to keep escalating and getting worse. And my eyes are getting bad because I'm sticking. I find myself addicted to the phone as much as I know that it's happening. I'll get on that TikTok and I just start scrolling through stuff and then oh shit, like two hours just went by, you know, and my eyes are getting blurry and it's really kind of starting to... It's useless.

...piss me off to be honest with you. Yeah, for me it's Instagram. I don't have TikTok, but I use the Instagram reels. God damn it. It's so nuts, like one after the other it's so interesting watching this mad scramble of people Trying to figure out a new way to get your attention Whether it's through like shooting a bow and arrow with your feet over your head at balloons You ever seen those gals that do that?

They stand stand on their hands And they have a bow in their feet and they have their legs all the way over the top of their head and they draw the bow back with their feet and shoot it. I saw another thing that's kind of like that but there was no bow and arrow involved but yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a thing. Yeah, that sounds good. That sounds good. Are they wearing clothing as well?

No, why would they be wearing clothing? Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, no, I have no idea. They wear like bikinis. They're hot most gals who that kind of Mobility with your body. You're probably pretty hot. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah How did you not have a hot body if you could do that if you can get your butt over the top of your head and have your legs? Pull a bow back and then aim it and shoot it what I certainly can't do that. We'll fucking do that Shoot it, what? I certainly can't do that. Who the fuck can do that?

I mean, what percentage of the population can do that? See, and this is kind of, I think, where we started with us was how did I find out about rap music, how did I find out about norm? We had to use a certain sense of creativity, and we had to go out of our way to find out about stuff. And so it sounding like some couple of old guys here. We are a couple of old guys.

Complaining about... But that's what we are now. How the world was better before. But... I don't think the world was better before. I don't think that's true. There's some aspects of it that I think forced us to be just a little bit more creative and think out of the box because we were at least in a different way because you'd go find some drum machine or you'd go

down to the little comedy club in Ottawa and stand-up comedy wasn't a mainstream thing then. It was pretty big but not in Ottawa. It was sort of almost like you felt like you were going somewhere that you weren't supposed to go. You'd go the basement. Yeah. I was 16 years old. I'm in a bar, you know, and there's some guy on stage. They're not talking about Norm MacDonald on television yet. He hadn't gone to SNL yet. I remember I'd see him and my friends would see him and then we'd go to school and we'd tell our friends, you got to go see this guy, Norm MacDonald.

He'd come every three times a year and every time he'd come we'd be there and it was just like this sort of myth, it was a mythology to it. Then all of a sudden we heard he moved to Los Angeles because he was writing for Roseanne. We all heard about this and it was this sort of all the amateur comics up in the kids up there doing it. Well, I guess I was the kid doing that. Everyone else was kind of in their 20s and 30s, but everybody was just kind of like, there's hope.

We can get out of Ottawa, man. Yeah, something out there. And then SNL and everything. It was just amazing to watch him do that. But I was having a good chat with Adam at the club about Norm because he was, of course, famously his sidekick on his show. So it was such a shame to see Norm disappear like that. And just, uh...

He was talking about coming out here, too. Yeah, yeah, so, but it's, you know, so much has happened since I was here last. I got a lot of stuff I wanted to... First of all, before I start talking about me, though, I just wanted to say, thanks for having me at the club this weekend. My pleasure. I'm having me at the club this weekend. My pleasure.

I'm so stoked. The club is amazing. And I've been hanging out there for the last two nights and I came in a little early and wanted to hang out and just settle in. And man, it's just such a vibe there. It's just such a perfect, perfect comedy club. You did such an amazing job. You're the only guy that brings his dog everywhere that's not annoying. Maybe ever.

Yeah. Well, maybe ever. Yeah. Yeah. And everybody loves Charlie. Yeah. Everybody loves Charlie. It could be a... Charlie's in here with us now. Yeah. Yeah. Charlie's a sweetie. Charlie is... I got Charlie right before I came here the last time. She's named after the John Steinbeck novel, Travels with Charlie, because I was out in the van and that book's about Steinbeck in the 60s, made a camper van out of a pickup truck and he drove across America and he wrote a book about America and its differences. It's called Travels with Charlie in Search of America. And I got Charlie at a rescue called Thrive, is the name of the rescue, which is actually run

by Jimmy Durante's daughter in San Diego, the entertainer Jimmy Durante, who, it's like a ranch in San Diego. And they bring these dogs in from the Bahamas in Mexico, called potcake dogs. And Charlie, anyways, we went out in the desert from the Bahamas and Mexico called potcake dogs and um... Charlie. Anyways, we uh...

We went out in the desert and... Everybody loves Charlie, like you said. There's Charlie. Charlie looks like she was just taking a nap. She's like, what the fuck are you waking me up for, dad? But uh... She's just taking a nap. The funniest thing is...

Charlie actually goes on stage with you, we should tell people. Yeah, she just chills out up there. I just kind of take her... She take her gotta be so weird when you're killing. Yeah that noise. She's she's she's kind of used to it What a strange experience for a dog. Yeah, yeah to be in the Bahamas. Yeah, and then all of a sudden she's on stage with Tom Green that's right. She left Bahamas. She left the parties. She's cheering and she's just sitting there like, what the fuck is this like? Yeah, yeah. I'd look at her sometimes and wonder. She left at five weeks old, the Bahamas.

So that was, she got out at five weeks old. And then was in San Diego. She got adopted by somebody else for like three months basically. And then they couldn't keep her. I got her at three months. And it's funny, she grows up in the Bahamas. And then they couldn't keep her. I got her at three months and and It's funny. She grows up in the Bahamas then she goes to California and Then then I move back with her to I move back to Canada since I was last here and I left Los Angeles

Following in your footsteps the exodus continues I wasn't just me man. I keep getting like label as a piedied Piper this but come on everybody was leaving. Yeah. I gotta say though like you know there was a lot of factors to change my entire life. I sold my house around the time right after I was here. And that was the house that you did the Tom Green show for. That I owned for 18 years that I did the WebOvision show in. WebOvision, we called it. Why don't you do a show now?

So I'm actually, I'm building a podcast studio in my barn. It's in an unheated century barn. And you're gonna heat it? Nope, not gonna heat it. No. But you're gonna have conversations where you're freezing it down? Yeah, we're gonna wear really warm jackets.

That's one thing that's cool about Canada like people people people talk about the cold and how You know fucking cold it is up there But like the cool thing about the cold when you get when you kind of get acclimated to it is you can kind of Regulate your temperature like you were a really warm Arctic jacket. Yeah in the barn while you do in the podcast We'd probably move it in at some point. Also, you can die outside. You can die. Yeah.

It's a different thing. Yeah. It's a different thing. And it makes more resilient people. Yeah. I think it makes better people. I really do. I was thinking about how you do...

There's the barn, yeah. You're freezing your dick off, son. First of all, why don't... That's my dad. That's my dad there, yeah. So, yeah. You're dick off My dad that's my dad there. Yeah, so yeah, if you know what you should get sponsored by like one of those Like heater bodysuit companies yeah, yeah for deer hunters when they sit in those blinds. Yeah Yeah, if deer hunters when they sit in tree stands, you know fucking cold you get yeah, yeah, if it's cold out

That's one thing, but if it's called out and you're not moving. That's another thing Yeah, that's another thing you but if it's pulled out and you're not moving, that's another thing. That's another thing. You could be – it could be fucking zero degrees, but if you're hiking, you're fine. Well, I wear these – we're actually talking to a sponsor right now. They might sponsor it. They're this clothing company, Baffin, and they make the warmest jackets, right? So it's like you can really regulate your temperature, right? And that's the thing like if you know how to do that,

because I got, I've been a lifestyle change. I bought, I got this farm. I'm on a farm now that I live on and basically I'm gonna live there now for the rest of my life. I know it, I'm never gonna leave this place. I love it so much. That's awesome. It's a wilderness area with some.

I enjoy your videos from there. It looks like you're really enjoying it. I am really loving it, you know. It's just such a peace of mind to get up in the morning. And I've got this mule and I got my strap there on the side. Yeah, I got my mule and this is a whole new thing, Joe. I mean, I don't know. I didn't, first of all, I didn't know anything about horses and mules, but I got a mule and a donkey and some chickens. So a mule is a cross between a donkey and a horse, correct? Yes.

And I did not know that a year and a half ago. They're supposed to like the most resilient animals for like riding trails and stuff. So mules are, so yeah, it's sort of all, it all started with I found this property and this farm and I wanted to be outside and then there was these two old barns there and I would look at these barns and I'd say they were kind of calling for something to be put in them. They were 100 years old, there was stuff stored in them. And so some friends of mine and I, we kind of cleaned up the barns and we, I got this mule and this donkey. And so initially the idea was, I thought a mule would be kind of funny,

right? Because they got bigger ears and they're kind of, I was thinking three amigos. I was thinking a donkey. I was thinking a mule was a donkey. I didn't even really know that much about it. And I started looking for a mule that you could ride, and there's not that many mules in Canada. They're much more of a Southwestern American thing. George Washington brought mules to America. It was a big part of unsettling America what they would use him for farming. He brought them in?

Yeah, he was instrumental in being a big part of getting mules here. They would use them for harvesting, pulling, harvesting crops and doing all the work around the farms and stuff. They have also been used in war a lot. They've been used in military. So all the pioneers preferred them to horses. Yeah, they're extremely strong and they're very, very smart. They can go longer without water.

Longer, yep, they use less water, less food. My friend Clay Newcomb is actually a mule expert. Okay. He's been on the podcast before. Oh, cool. And he talked about fancy mules and like how you pick a mule and train it in a mule. Oh, I want to, oh, I follow him actually.

I follow Clay on that. Clay's interesting. He's got a podcast called the Bear Grease Podcast. You know, a lot of it is about bear hunting in Arkansas. Oh, nice, nice. And just interesting like outdoor stories. Like he's a very, very interesting guy, but he just knows a ton about mules.

Well, the thing that's so crazy about them is they're extremely smart to a point that it's, you know, people say stubborn as a mule. It's not really stubbornness. What is it? What is it? Self-preservation. So they figure out, basically, I'm riding this animal now. She's a very big mule, as you can see.

She's a very big mule. She's can see. She's a very big mule. She's called 16 Three Hands is the way you measure horses and mules. She's as tall as they get. Her mother was a horse, so a Persheron paint mix. So it's a Persheron's work horse, almost like a Clydesdale. So she gets her size from that and her father's a mammoth donkey. And she's 10 years old. A mammoth donkey? Yeah, a mammoth.

What a great name. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's a, it's created, it's definitely created a very large, strong, serious animal. I want to see a picture of a mammoth donkey. Yeah. How big are they?

There we go, yeah. Yeah, so you can sort of see them. Whoa, look at the size of that fucking thing. That's a donkey? Yeah. Holy shit, dude. And you can ride those too. So. And that's. But our, our donkeys harder, between 900 and 1200 pounds. Yeah. Are donkeys harder to train than mules? I'm not sure the answer to that. Not sure. But I know that mules are easier to train than horses, so I would assume because they learned the- And mules are sterile.

They're sterile, yeah. So a- It's a hybrid animal and it can't breed, which is- isn't that fascinating that like a male of one species can breed with a male of another species? They make an offspring. It's alive. It has testicles, it has sex drive, it has everything. Can't breed.

So weird. So the horse has, let me get this right, I've been trying to learn as much about it as possible, because I'm riding this thing and I don't want to die. Because you can fall off it and it's not fun falling off. I've fallen off a couple of times. Have you really? Yeah, I wasn't too bad.

By yourself? Out there in the middle of nowhere? Yeah, I wasn't too bad. By yourself? You out there in the middle of nowhere? Yeah, it was my own fault. I was streaming on Instagram and not paying attention. That's so good for beginners. Don't let go of the reins and play with your phone while you're riding on a 1,400 pound mule. Fanny's 1,400 pounds.

That's fucking huge, man. But yeah, I guess though it's a horse has 64 chromosomes and a donkey has 62 and so when they breed they take one of, it ends up that the donkey, the mule has 63 chromosomes which is not an even number and therefore makes it sterile. So this is what I'm trying to do. Oh, so that's what it is, an even number. Something kind of complicated like that.

Isn't it fascinating though that nature figured out a way to stop everything from fucking everything and just Isn't it like nature's like we gotta have a system in here because that's just that's untenable That's gonna lead to chaos. Yeah, like if humans imagine can you imagine could get other things pregnant, everything would be a hybrid of a human. Like everything. Yeah, like a lobster human hybrid. Somebody would do that. Island filled with turtle people.

People walking around with exoskeletons going, hey, this ain't so bad. You're going to be on the island, I can't believe someone fucked a turtle. Yeah. And there's going to be this guy with a turtle shell on, fuck you. You know, he's going to be mad at you you like I'm just saying. Because people are insane. Insane. I mean somebody has probably fucked a turtle. 100% someone's fucked a turtle. Right? If you had a bed everything you own. Sure. 100% a guy somewhere has been hopped up on some fucking Vietnamese street math. Right. Right. Fucked a turtle. Of course, yeah.

Probably American. Yeah. Probably an American guy from the Southwest over there hiding from the law or something. Right. And he's methed up and he fucked a turtle. Right. Yeah, people fucked everything. But no result because of the power, the nature has made these protections, thankfully.

The wildest hybrid, of course, is the Liger. Yeah. Because they miss the gene that regulates size. They don't have the same gene that like Tiger and the lion does. I've seen those. I forget which one, how does it work? Is it a male lion and a female tiger or a male tiger and a female lion? I forget which one it is but in that combination when they make a Liger they just keep growing. They're so big. Yeah, I've looked at these on the internet.

You know, the thing is, I guess a tiger and a lion and a donkey and a horse are close enough together in evolution to be able to do this. And there's, I guess, no animal that is close enough to us to be able to come close enough. Because, you know, they've done experiments with that. Or maybe we just haven't. Maybe just nobody's fucked the right thing yet to figure it out. I bet someone pulled it off in China or Russia or something like that.

They probably got some champ human hybrid somewhere. I've heard sort of internet conspiracy theories that there was a Russian experiment that went awry or something like this. There was this one very strange case of a chimpanzee that they call humanzi, and this chimpanzee had very human-like features, and it lived with a family. I forget if it was a family of researchers, I forget the story, but they always end tragically

because those things ultimately, as they get older, they want to be the boss. It's a big male, and they're gonna just fuck you up. They're gonna bite your fingers off or bite your friends. It's always something like that They always do something horribly horribly violent eventually But this one that they have they had him for a long time and he looked like a human. Yeah, look he looked weird Yeah, and he stood upright a lot and you wore clothes. He's got big old donkey dick. Look at that donkey dick He stood upright a lot and he wore clothes. He's got a big old donkey dick.

Look at that donkey dick. Oh my gosh. The humanzi of Orange Park. First of all, humanzi is such a great name. I mean, I almost wish it had worked just for that reason alone. Humanzi. I mean, there'd be humanzies going around. But yeah, I often kind of have little-

You can find the- there's some weird shocking pictures of it like that one in the upper right-hand corner the one yeah right there and they're so strong click on that one look at its face yeah it's got an odd face mm-hmm and there's some pictures I think they're probably doctored that made it a little more human looking they could confuse people but the thing like as it got older see if you can find the older pictures of it. It looked real weird man Yeah, but it was just a chimp it was just a chimp that you know had been taught to behave that way Yeah, look at how he's walking. He's walking a chimp. He's not walking a human look at the shoulders and the arms

That's a chimp. I sometimes think about the close calls I've had with a couple times with animals where I wasn't really giving them the, not like just understanding the power they had. Like I had a chimpanzee on a show I did once on my TV show back in the day and you know it was a, it was a trained chimpanzee but massive and you know I remember after the show I just said hey can I hang out with the chimpanzee so but massive. And I remember after the show, I just said, hey, can I hang out with the chimpanzee? So it came out and I was just sitting out within the parking lot for about half an hour, just me and this chimpanzee right in front of me, looking right my eyes. It was playing with the buttons on my shirt. And the trainer was 20 feet away.

And I just thought it was so the cutest thing. And then a few years later, I read about the chimpanzee ripping that you know killing people and how violent they are and you go man that is you know I had a I had a macaw at one point which I actually had to get rid of you know big red parrot you know macaw and I got it in when it was 13 months old and this was my biggest disappointment, I'd say, with a pet because I had gotten this macaw. It's named Rex. He was on the web show for a period of time.

I was after he were on that time. And I really love this thing. And I love animals. And I was so fascinated by it because I was realizing, oh, this is a pet that I'm going to have for the rest of my life. And I was all fascinated by it because I was realizing, oh, this is a pet that I'm going to have for the rest of my life. And I was all dedicated to this. And I was really kind of somewhat moved by the fact that I was going to be having this

beautiful macaw for the rest of my life. And it would pick my teeth, and it would stick its beak in my mouth, and literally like just kind of put its plate in true on my ear and all of this kind of stuff. And then all of a sudden, when it got to be about 13 years old, it just became a real asshole. Like it really, really changed. It had been going from this little baby to I couldn't put my hand in the cage without it really biting hard.

And it almost took my finger off. I had to go in the cage to clean the cage and I couldn't pick it up anymore and I actually had to find it a new home. But- Do you think it just didn't like being in a cage? I'm sure it didn't. I wouldn't like it myself, you know. And that feels bad too.

That's a thing I don't really like about having- Hey, you're a prison warden. Yeah, exactly. I started to feel really bad. So I took it back to the bird place where I'd gotten it and they said to me, oh yeah, we don't – it's been 13 years later. I've been spending 75 bucks a month on walnuts for 13 years. Okay.

You know, these eat a lot of walnuts. And then they say, oh yeah, we don't sell them the cause anymore because when they get to be 13, they change and they become really, really mean. I'm like, oh, you could have told me that 13 years ago. So it was like there's an internal clock? Yeah, they just think it's like a puberty thing? They hit like a puberty thing, yeah. And so I feel bad, but I got her a better home.

That's why it's scary to be in front of a chimp. The chimp, they could just decide. I just want to fuck this guy up. I have these moments where I think about the time when that Macaw would have its beak in my mouth You know just months before I could have ripped my face apart sitting with that but the the fanny the This mule and I have the donkey as well who was her companion for her named Kia. She was a two-year-old donkey and they

The donkey will live to be 50, potentially. And the fanny is a big animal, so she could live to be 30, 35 years old. And so she's 10 now. So it's a big responsibility. And I really kind of consider them now, after having them just for a short time, kind of family. You know, it's an amazing thing.

But I think the thing that's most interesting about Emule, let me just kind of, we won't talk about Emules for the whole show, but you know, they are so smart that they figure you out. So I'm new to this. So when I first got her, I was given one day of training on how to ride a horse, you know. So I learned how to saddle her up, I learned how to get up on this thing, you know, you pull the ring, you look where you want to go, you push with your foot opposite of the side you want to turn.

There's a sort of little rhythm to that. And it went great for about a month, but then she started sort of figuring out that I was sort of uncertain in what I was doing. She started to understand that I didn't know what I was doing. And so she starts testing me, right? And I don't necessarily realize that's what's going on. So when I'd be saddling her up, she would move. So I'd go to take the saddle, it's a big saddle, you got to put it up on her back, you put

a saddle pad on, and you got to put the saddle on on and then she would move into me and kind of push me You know and I didn't really know how to prevent that because she's 1400 pounds So I'd have to kind of lead her around try to get her back in position. It became this weird sort of Dance of me running around trying to get the saddle on I'd eventually get it on but what happens is She ends up losing all respect for me because I'm letting her sort of be the leader, right? And so Mule really wants me to be the leader. And it's hard for me to be the leader at first because I'm uncertain. So they sense uncertainty. So when I'm riding her, there's wolves at my place in the woods.

Oh, fun. Yeah. I got a story about that too. And there's wolves there. I was showing Jamie before the show. There's a video of them on my trail cams. But she sees them coming out of the woods at night. She doesn't necessarily want to go into the woods.

She thinks it's unsafe. It's not because obviously they're not going to attack her and me. She's a giant mule, but she thinks that. So over time, she started to not want to go in that direction. She stopped wanting to turn left. And so what would happen is I would – I started to realize she didn't want to go there. So every time I wanted to go there, I would get nervous. I would feel uncertain.

Oh, she's not going to want to go there. She would sense that I was nervous and it would double down and then she wouldn't go in there. So I had to kind of get into this real sort of a psychological retraining kind of a mule intervention from the people that raised her. I have so many questions. Hold on. Yeah, it's really wild.

It's really interesting, the intricacy of how you figure this out. Now, did you have any training before you got a mule? I saw she was she was owned by a single owner in northern Canada in a place called Thunder Bay which is about 18 hours drive north of me. Wakeholder up there she's like in clubbed down now now in southern Canada she's probably loving it but and her owners were a Kaia and Lisa who have a they breed mules and they're called twister mules. Did you get any training? They drove her down and we spent about three days.

Okay. And they showed me how to saddle her up and they talked to me about it and I learned as much as one can learn in three days. You know, there's the basics, right? Right. There's the basics. Like, you know. Did you do a lot of it when they were there by yourself?

Like they just told you how to do it and you walked over and did it? They spent time with me for about three days. But this is kind of... They're telling me I'm doing quite well because I actually am able to handle this animal now, but it's been an interesting journey the last, you know, since June. I got her in June. Because at first it's the very first sort of on the surface way that you ride a mule is you look where you want to go, lightly pull the rain on – if you want to go left, you pull the left lane, rain lightly.

If that doesn't work, but you might not even have to pull the lane. You could just look where you want to go. And they feel your body shifting. They sense your intent. And you have to look in that direction. Like avatar, when you link up with the dragon. It's like telepathy, for sure.

It really is. And you feel it. And it's such a really cool feeling when you really get into the pocket with it. So then you pull lightly. Then you such a really cool feeling when you really get into the pocket with it. So then you pull lightly, then you do a little push with your foot. And so that's all sort of very, you know, physical stuff. And it worked fine for a while, but then, you know, I didn't quite understand the overall

psychological sort of hierarchy that gets created and a trust level that's created between the mule and myself, the more I screwed up, just even in the barnyard, the more I let her get in my space. You never want to let a mule get in your space, like gets in your space, you know, a very sort of, you know, easy way to control that is you can just put your hands up to her eyes like that. You don't even have to touch her. And then they back off.

I didn't know that, right? So I was kind of like, I'm pushing it. Oh boy. I was like, you know, trying to stop. And then it realized how small you are in comparison. And it realized how small I am and it realizes I don't know what I'm doing and it loses all respect. And so you start to kind of, so once you start to learn a little bit deeper about how to

handle those just on the ground with her, then once you get up on her, she has a little bit more respect and is more apt to listen to you. But it was really interesting because they came back, they're really great. They're trying to bring more meals into Canada because they love meals. There is something very different and special about meals because they're intelligent, and so it's really interesting. They came back and spent some more time with me and we went out on the trail and Fannie doesn't like ATVs. So I've got this Polaris side by side that I drive around the property on.

It's a noisy ATV four wheel vehicle thing. And they were driving ahead of me and it kind of struck me and I'm following along. And we're coming up the trail and they stopped and as we approached the ATV, it's parked on the trail. There's a space on the side. I'm going to ride around the trail, but in my head I'm thinking, oh, Fanny's not going to want to go around this ATV. And we get up there and I try to turn around the ATV by looking, pulling the rain, pushing

my leg. She just stops. And when she stops and when she decides she doesn't want to go, this isn't like a little trail riding carnival horse. She gets going and will turn and really kind of get quite aggressive in a way, which is kind of exciting though, I gotta tell you. And I was a skateboarder, I got pretty good balance, so it was kind of interesting.

But the thing that was wild about it, so then I go, well, she's not going to want to go around the ATV, I say to Kaia and Lisa, and they say, no, no, well, it's not that she doesn't want to go around the ATV, it's she knows that you think she doesn't want to go around the ATV. You have to think in your head that she wants to go around the ATV. What? Yeah. What? Yeah. Because when you're subconsciously, whether we know it or not, as human beings, you know,

we didn't always have language, right? We didn't mean someone invented language at some point. Before that, we were just kind of this all this nonverbal communication and energy, right? So you get up to the ATV and if I'm thinking, oh, she's not going around the ATV. Oh, look, my whole body just went like that. You know, I sighed. I felt like a sense of defeat, right?

She feels that just through her saddle. It's not total like voodoo. She feels like it. Yeah, but there might be a little bit of voodoo. Possibly as well. I mean, there's a magic to it. You can't attribute all that to body. She feels it. She feels it. And she's so smart. So a horse doesn't necessarily sense that as easily as a mule, like quite a bit less easily.

So that's why people say mules are stubborn, because they're sensing all of these little nonverbal cues that a horse might just be apt to say, oh, he pulled on the reins, so I'm going to go that way. He pushed his foot, so I'm going to go that way. And that's why also mules are also extremely, they're used in war, and they're used in Grand Canyon trail riding and things like this, because if a horse is walking along the edge of a cliff and a snake jumps out.

The horse might be apt to just jump the other way off the cliff, killing itself. Whereas a mule will instantly identify, cliff that way, snake that way, danger both ways, mule will kill the snake. It'll stomp out the snake. At least won't jump off the cliff. So it's.

That's way better. Yeah, better. Yeah better I think we should just all have mules. I'll have mules. You should get a mule. You should get a mule I definitely would not yeah, yeah have the time to be trained at mule It seems like that's here's my question. There's the other question. I gotta remember Why would you think that the wolves would not attack the mule? Well, it's not First of all.

Because like if she's scared of the wolves, you know, donkeys. I think she should be scared of the wolves. You know, donkeys and mules, especially donkeys and mules have donkey. So they're actually used a lot as livestock protection animals, so because they'll stomp out a coyote or a wolf. So a lot of farmers get them, put them in with their sheep and they'll actually protect the herd. So it's not impossible, but it is pretty uncommon that coyotes and in my area the wolves are

not gray wolves, they're timber wolves, so they big, as big, but they're big enough though. They're about the size of Huskies. So they mostly kill deer and... Deer and smaller stuff. They don't try for elk or anything like that. Because the big gray wolves will take out elks. Yeah, I'm sure they, you know, I think... They take out moose.

Yeah, absolutely. Moose are so big, man. For a wolf to take out a moose, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah. These are the wolves. These are my trail cams at my place. Oh, wow. Look, drop a deuce right there on your trail cam, staring you in the eye.

That's an alpha move right there, son. I guarantee that's the alpha. He knows. He knows you got that trail cam. And he say, Tom Green, check this out, bitch. Shit, right in front of your camera. So it's the only way to know 100% for certain that they're wolves and not a hybrid. I know you know all about this, Joe, but like the Koi wolves is to do a DNA test.

And yeah, but Koi wolf is kind of a misnomer, you know, because coyote is a wolf. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The reason why the coyote spread so far across the country is because they have like a built-in mechanism to protect them from gray wolves because gray wolves would kill the coyotes. Whereas the red wolves in the east coast would breed with the coyotes and that's where you get the koi wolf. I think they're viable. I think when they breed they can breed. I don't think they're like a donkey or like a mule rather. You know coyote and a wolf don't think they're like a donkey or like a mule rather You know coyote and a wolf. I think yeah, when the like the koi wolves, whatever they call them koi wolves

I think they're viable. I think they have babies. Yeah, absolutely. No, they are for sure. Yeah, and it's not really And it's not different kind like two different kind of dogs or something exactly exactly. Yeah, cuz I've been Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Because I've been getting some information about this from a wolf researcher up who lives near me. And he has sort of put out some trail cams and we've actually laid out some fur traps that can get a little bit of their fur.

And we're going to send it for a DNA sample to find out exactly the percentage of DNA that Wolf took high od that we have here. Because yeah, it's kind of, I don't know, you live out in the wilderness, you know, you find these kinds of things are, I find it quite interesting to just kind of really kind of dive into it deep and try to figure it out. Oh, it's fascinating. You're out of there in the real wild. You're in the wild where there's packs of predators in your neighborhood. And I wish I had bear footage right now, but it's not online, but this year I put out

my trail cams and I got, like, I'd say a little more than a half dozen distinct different bears on that exact trail, which is, you know, on my property right by my house. Brown bear or black bear? Black bear, yeah. Yeah, we don't have grizzlies out east so it's just in Canada even. It's all there are. Not yet.

Not yet. The Liberals will try to reintroduce them. You need more things to be scared of. Well, you know. Talking about bringing grizzlies back to California. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want you to come to Canada, Joe. I know you haven't come to Canada lately but you got to back to California. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want you to come to Canada, Joe. I know you haven't come to Canada lately,

but you've got to come to Canada. Because here's the thing, here's the thing, because I watch the show all the time, so I know what you're feeling about Canada, but here's the thing, like, everybody loves you in Canada. So you've got to, I'm coming down here, everybody's so stoked that I'm here. And I love Canadians, I just coming down here. Everybody's so stoked that I'm here and I love Canadians

I just hate their government. Mm-hmm. And sometimes here. How do you say his last name pull over here? Yeah, well, it's French so it's well I don't think he's French but the name's French Pierre Pauliev Paulie. Yeah, sort of a weird are silent are yes exchange Is the as you see it written down. It's very difficult Paulie. Yeah, yeah That guy makes so much more sense. Yeah, he he's so common sense and just Because you see it written down, it's very difficult to remember how to say it. Paulie Ever. Paulie Ever. Yeah. So. That guy, that guy makes so much more sense.

Yeah. He's so common sense in just calling out all the nonsense that's been done under this administration. It's just so sad to watch. So this is the thing that I kind of, I guess, just wanted to throw out there, which is it's not unlike here in the U.S., right? You've got Biden as president now, right? And then you've got essentially a Democrat, we actually call our Democrats the liberals, right?

And that's how unabashed we are liberal up there. We actually call the party the liberal party. It's not a bad word up there, right? They actually call them the liberals. And the other ones are conservatives. And conservatives, liberals and conservatives. But it's the same thing, you know, like half the country hates the party in power right now just like as much as anybody, you know, and it's just a constant thing and they want

to get them out. And so, you know, I just want to, you know, as a proud Canadian want to throw out the distinction that, you know, Canada's, you know, it's like here, it's the same bullshit that's here. Everybody's arguing about issues, important issues, it's being reinforced, you know, through these algorithms, people get mad about it, then they start arguing. But so, you know, like I sometimes kind of go, I wouldn't be interesting if Pierre Polly have won the next election, right? Because then all of a sudden we'd have a conservative government up there and let's say Biden won down here, he got a conservative government up there and then Tucker Carlson

might be going up to Canada talking about how great we are all of a sudden, you know? Because it just can switch on a dime, you know? It could go back. And it has before. I've had, you know, there's been my lifetime. Joe Clark was the first conservative prime minister. Then there was Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper was pretty recent. But anyways, I don't like talking politics, but I do.

I did bring something about Canada that I love. I want us. Okay. It's a good thing. I'm trying not to talk politics too much because it's like it's gross. Just every kid's all mad you know. Yep. I just I don't fuck. I kind of think like wouldn't it be cool if the new thing became people start to realize that the division is almost worse than what we're arguing about? Well the division

is absolutely worse than what we're arguing about? Well, the division is absolutely worse than what we're arguing about. Most people want good things. This is for you and your family. A huge, and I brought one for us too, just to try. This is the freshest, best Canadian maple syrup made by my friends, the con boys, Ryan and Jason Shoutout to Ryan and Jason, George and Darlene, and they make this on their property. They have thousands of maple trees tapped, and this is a family run business. They've been doing this for hundreds of years.

That is a lot of work. Yeah. It's a whole... Maple syrup, like making me... I've watched people make maple syrup on YouTube. It's a lot of work. Yeah. It's crazy how much work is involved.

And it's really kind of incredible to go see how they do it because they've built these – like I can't describe it properly – but reverse osmosis machines where they have tubes coming with the sap from all the – in the spring, the sap starts flowing, comes through these tubes from all through their woods on their property. It runs out to their barn where they have these machines that do something called reverse osmosis. I don't know what it does doing exactly, but they have to do it. And then it goes into this giant vat with fires, with wood burn fires, and they boil

the sap down until it becomes thicker and there's more sugar content. And then you have this delicious syrup. But I brought a couple of … It's literally the blood of trees that you pour on pancakes. is and you know what we're gonna drink it like in shot I just thought as opposed to drinking whiskey till we're on the floor this time I never made it to the floor sir I maintain I don't remember what happened with you and the ability to conversate

oh my gosh, okay. Well. Dude, that's diabetes in a shot glass. Yeah, we'll just do a shot, but I want you to see, what's this real maple syrup? Canadian maple syrup, it's convoing maple syrup. They're my friends, the best, best friends that you'd ever want, and it's not your manufactured

sort of processed shit, you know? Cheers. Do you have to do it like a shot? No, it's gross processed shit, you know, cheers. Do you have to do it like a shot? No, it's not gross. Yeah, you can, yeah, absolutely. Oh my god, I can't drink this whole thing. Yeah. It's really good though.

Pour it on some pancakes. It's delicious. Yeah. It just makes you think, like, how much sugar are you getting from pancakes with a pile of maple syrup? You're getting a fuck ton of sugar. Like, how much sugar is in, what is a shot glass? How many ounces is that? I should know this. One ounce? Let's just see how much sugar is in one ounce of

maple syrup. Yeah. Yeah. God, how could you drink that? Yeah, no you don't really drink maple syrup right? We're just doing it for a gag. But pour it on your pancakes. It's amazing how good it tastes on your pancakes. No it's we're just doing it for a gag for fun but on your pancakes it's amazing how good it tastes on your pancakes no it's good in coffee put in your coffee in the morning so I keep a big jug of it 17 grams in a shot glass yeah yeah and I guarantee you if I'm having pancakes I am drowning those pitches absolutely so I got you I'll get you more as whenever you need some it's it's the best it's different than waffles with that on it. Oh, yeah, son. Mm-hmm lots of butter Oh, yeah up to 20 up to 20. Okay 20

So if I'm having pancakes, I'm having 120 at least Yeah, I'm I'm poor on a bunch of maple syrup on that shit six ounces. Yeah easy easy six ounces like a glass of it Yeah, I'm getting in between the stack, pouring a little in there. It's just a nice little boost, a little energy boost, you know? It's for like five minutes, and then you're in a coma for the rest of the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. But I guess if you're out there on your farm fucking throwing hay around all day exhausted, right, burn off. arm fucking throwing hay around all day, exhausted. Right?

Burn off. I did this summer in August. We, I have some fields with hay. We cut the fields and some local farmers had helped me cut the fields to square bales. So you're really farming? Yeah. Farming for real, for real. Farming hay for my animals.

Yeah, I had 580 bales of hay off the property this year. And we had to lift it all, carry it all onto a hay wagon. See, because I'm going to try and figure out a way to do it a little differently next year, but normally the farmers that have done my property for years, they've been doing it with these big circle round bales, you know? But I wanted to get square bales this year because it's easier to handle for the horses every, or the mules in the donkey every day. So, every day I go to the barn, I pick up a bale, feed the, they eat about a bale and

a half of hay a day. It's cool because like from May, June, till about the end of September, you don't even have to feed them. They're just out in the pasture eating grass, which I often think about, you know, when you think about vegetarians and you go, how do you put on, you know, muscle with just that and you can look at this giant animal, all it's doing is eating grass all day and they're massive. But, but yeah, so that, that I I gotta figure out a better way to get it

in the barn this year, cause some of my friends- They have to eat it all day long. That's the difference in eating meat and eating grass. If you watch predators, predators eat and then they sleep all day. But you watch a donkey, those motherfuckers are just eating all day long. They have to eat all day long.

They're always eating. There's not a lot of protein in that food. It's got to break down in their weird digestive tract. It's an undulate digestive tract. So Fanny and Keef come from a pastor that had 20 other animals in it to my place where they're just there by themselves with the whole field to themselves. So Fanny was putting on some weight last summer.

I have to now kind of monitor how much she's out in the pasture. I should correct myself. Ungelits are cows and shit. I'm thinking of cows and deer. The weird stomachs and stuff. I'm not exactly sure how the stomachs work on these. I don't know how those, the equines.

But I know that to think that you could get that jacked eating vegetables is ridiculous. I don't know how those, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, yeah. Yeah, they're not human beings. Yeah. It doesn't mean if you ate what a fucking horse eats, you'd look like a horse, you dumb ass. You're not a horse. And also, do you know how annoying that would be to have to eat grass all day? It doesn't sound like a blast. Not a lot of variety there. Yeah, I think about that. I have cookies for them.

I have little, I have a vitamin, sort of a vitamin mix of, that I give them every day. Is variation to their diet good though? Like for some animals when you- You got it, for instance, apples, okay? I have apple trees at the property. And she, that's one of the places she loves to walk towards the apple tree. Because there's apples on the ground. So, and she always, you know, you can feel her pulling towards the apple tree. There's apples on the ground. So you can feel her pulling towards the apple tree. But you don't want her to eat a bunch of apples because that can create acid in their stomach and they can get sick from that.

Yeah, I was wondering that. What happens to them in the wild though if they find a bunch of apples? Yeah, it's interesting. I'm not sure. Are they fucked up? I'm not sure if they... I don't know the answer to that, you know, but maybe they kind of somehow self-regulate when they're left to their own. But, you know, you can feed them carrots and one thing, I haven't done this yet, but I understand that they really like, I was just told, because I'm actually thinking, what

kind of variety can I give the ladies, you know? So they really like a frozen watermelon to be tossed into there. Oh, no kidding. Bears like that too. Oh, yeah? Yeah. to be tossed into there. Oh, no kidding. So, and they'll just... Bears like that too. Oh, yeah? Yeah, we went to a grizzly bear, I guess it's just like a conservation center where they have these enormous plates.

It's in Montana, but they have, they're like captive, but it's really an enormous construction thing and the bears have like swimming pools and shit and they would roll them out these frozen watermelons and watch them bite through a frozen watermelon will scare the living fuck out right because they go through it like it's nothing a grizzly does that I've seen hippopotamus do it on YouTube but a grizzly does that too I think most of the time the hippos are doing it it's not with a frozen one yeah yeah but they were saying that this bears favorite treat is frozen watermelon, so you give them

a frozen watermelon and you just go through it like it's a grape. See, grizzlies are terrifying. I admit that I am also actually probably, it's probably not really a warranted or fear, but I am nervous about these black bears, you know, on the property. You should be nervous. What are you talking about? Why would you say it's...

They do attack people occasionally. They will attack you. And if black bears attack you, they're attacking you to eat you. Yeah. It's a little bit different. Statistically, the odds are in my favor. I think it's not as... like Grizzlies, they've attacked a lot of people. I think black bears maybe only attack like one know one person a year or something like that

They attack people. Yeah. Yeah, there's a guy got killed over by Rutgers in New Jersey. He's killed by a black bear Yeah, yeah, there's a friend of a buddy of mine's went hunting for his very first trip He was in his tent at night and a 500-pound predatory black bear. Yeah tried to remove him from the tent and his friend shot the bear and Accidentally shot his friend in the wrist. Yeah, so you got shot in the wrist with a rifle Mm-hmm the bear gets shot the bear runs off after it gets shot and then they don't Think they recovered it. I think it's dead But imagine your first night ever camping in a tent and a black bear tries to pull you out and eat you Yeah, so I think it's dead. But imagine your first night ever camping in a tent and

a black bear tries to pull you out and eat you. Yeah. So I think sometimes people bring food in their tent. That's one common mistake. So yeah, your food, bitch. Your food. Your food. Your food in the tent. Your pigs in a blanket. If you're bringing like, you know, you should really, that is one thing that is why they go in the tent slot. They smell, you know, someone brought their sandwich in the tent or whatever. That's true. But, uh, but yeah, no, I mean, look, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm right there with you. There's something about it though that

well, you, you know, when you're out there in nature and you kind of your, your sort of natural instincts kicking where you feel it. And the fact that there is something unpredictable or that you don't understand out there is kind of exciting. You know, like the fact that there is, I'm not really truly expecting to get attacked by a bear, but you know, your senses are alert,

you're listening into the woods, you know they're there, you know they know you're there and they've probably left. But maybe this is the one time where they're walking along with their cub and you get in the wrong position at the wrong time. And so, you know, often when I go for a walk, I have a bear spray on me. I sometimes, you know, have a rifle on me. I don't carry it with me every time I leave the house, but I've got a rifles and and that I you know, I might I'm I've not really been a hunter

you know in my life, but I kind of So many people around me, you know, the country everybody hunts and I think I'm gonna maybe 150 acres so it's kind of certainly hunt on that. Yeah, and there's 150 acres. So it's kind of... Certainly hunt on that. Yeah, and there's deer, and it's quite... Sure. It's quite something that I never really expected to kind of live like that,

but it's really kind of interesting. And then it backs onto lots of, you know, thousands and thousands of acres of protected wilderness. So they, you know, it's's are you allowed to hunt back there? Yeah, yeah, and and on my property too, so um what is the tag allocation like do you get landowner tags? Do you get tags because you're a resident of the area? You still you still have to get a hunting license so right in Canada, you know, it's

If you want to get a rifle first of all, it's completely different than in Texas, right? You can't just go buy one. You have to go take, it's like getting your driver's license essentially. You have to go take, you have to write a test and you have to pass it and you have to do a course, a safety course. And then you have to send that into the RCMP,

the Canadian, you know, the Mounties, right? They review it. And then a couple months later, you get your non-restricted firearms license, which allows you to go buy a rifle. I've been collecting lever action rifles, you know, so I've got just, you know, I'm relatively new to this. But you know, when I was out in the desert, I had a shotgun with me. I had a hunting license when I was in New Mexico.

I was trying to hunt some quail. Never saw a bird though, so it was, you know, I was hunting, but I never a hunting license when I was in New Mexico. I was trying to hunt some quail. Never saw a bird though. So it was hunting, but I never saw anything. So I didn't really do... It's hard. I was still hunting, but I never saw anything. So, but yeah. So it's...

That's why... Trying to think of what I want to tell you here, Joe. That's why I think I really would love you to come up to Canada sometime and visit maybe and come up and do some shows up there. People would love you to come up to Canada sometime and visit maybe and come up and do some shows up there. People would love to see you. And there's just such a huge outdoors hunting, fishing culture.

That's what being Canadian is. Once you get out of the city, right, it's people are just, it's people love to hunt, people love to fish. I go ice fishing with my friends. We go set up a... Didn't they put new restrictions on firearms up there? They just banned handguns. Absolutely, yeah, but not rifles, yeah.

Which is pretty extreme from an American standpoint, certainly, I mean, to think that... So if you own handguns, do you have to get rid of them? No, you're not allowed to sell them to anybody and you're stuck with them. So it's that, and that's probably the biggest, biggest change that's happened in, there are also no automatic weapons up there,

so you can't get a AR-15, for example. So AR-15s aren't automatic. Or yeah, that caliber or whatever, whatever. Yeah, you can't get those those weapons But you can get a you know a rifle a shotgun, you know, I have a I have a 308 I have a 243 of a 22 have a shotgun, you know, I have 20 gauge 12 gauge all the normal hunting Rifles are fine. So what was the thought process behind banning? firearms or banning pistols?

Well I don't, I wasn't really kind of, I think it was just an attempt to curb- Is there anything people voted on? Well they voted for the government and the government did it. So obviously some people aren't too government did it. So, you know, so, you know, obviously, some people aren't too happy about it. One thing about Canada is like there's the gun culture is different up there. It's more people are I think, I'm going to get in trouble with the people that are handgun enthusiasts in Canada, but it's just not as common up there. More, it's more about hunting and hunting rifles and and but there are probably a lot of people that are pretty upset about it for sure

uh... but uh... you know it's uh... you know it's they're not they're not actually taking away people's rifles or or anything like that so one of the exemptions is individuals train compete or coach in a handgun shooting discipline that is on the program of International Olympic Committee or the International Paralympic Committee looks like someone's gonna have to become a shooter Yeah, I'm personally not eating shooting. That's why I have to have this gun. I'm not really like I don't really

to have this gun. I'm not really like, I don't really, you know, I like my lever action rifle. I like my shotgun. I think I might hunt turkeys this year. I'd like to do that with a lot of turkeys on the property. I'm not really, I don't necessarily feel like I need a handgun. It's a different kind of... I don't necessarily feel that anybody should tell me that I can't have a handgun, especially not the government, especially not the government that's already done some really shady shit like what they did with the truck drivers. Right. Well, I'm from Ottawa too, so the trucker rally was interesting.

Dude, they fucking took away their bank accounts. They seized people's, they closed people's and froze people's bank accounts that just donated money. Yeah. Is that coffee? Yes. You know what? First of all, the Trucker rally was interesting because I'm from Ottawa.

So I grew up, you know, the Parliament Hill, I'm sure you saw it on the news, like the Parliament buildings are basically our congress and our Senate combined essentially, the House of Commons and the Senate. You know, downtown Ottawa is like Washington, D.C. right? That's our Washington, D.C. I grew up there. I grew up skateboarding on the parliament building's front steps, you know. I did a radio show.

This is something about the freedoms of Canada that I think is interesting, okay? When I was a kid, I did a college radio show. It was midnight till 2 in the morning. I would say during the show, okay, after the show, everybody show up on Parliament Hill, bring a soccer ball, let's go play soccer. Then we'd show up there with pizzas and we'd play soccer on the front lawn of the Canadian government till 4 in the morning. Every half hour, the bell would go, bing, bing, the RCMP cops would come, they'd shine their lights out on the field. It was super positive, right?

I love Ottawa. It's an amazing city. And I understand that everybody has the right to express their descent, right? And I think Trudeau probably did overstep with some of his reaction to that, with some of the things he said specifically. But there was also this element of not only was the city shut down, there's people that live downtown, so those horns were these air horns, there was really kind of babies sleeping, it's really like a neighborhood, right? So it's kind of funny in a way, the difference between Canadians and Americans sometimes.

I'm both, right? I'm a dual citizen. I love, I love... Pat's rider. No, I just love both countries. I love, I love, I love... Fence rider. No, I just, I just love both countries. You know, I've lived here for 20 years. I, you know, I, I, but what, what, you know, what is sort of a comparable thing, I think, was, you know, what, you know, in the United States, they, on January, was it January 6th? They, you know, they did more than freeze those people's bank accounts, right?

They threw them all in jail, right? So... They threw a lot of them in jail. Yeah. So, it's sort of, I'd say it's like a comparison, comparable thing. It's like, I guess that's the thing I just kind of... No, that's different. ... feel as it's like...

Hold on. ... sort of comparison. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. First of all, it's different because they entered into the capital building. Right, right. You're not supposed to do that

They a lot of people broke glass smash windows. They did a lot of shit It was also it's not comparable because it seems like they were instigated in some way Yeah, at least partially By by people in the audience that wanted them to go in there Yeah, now whether those people were federal agents, or whether those people are Antifa, or whether those people were Democratic operatives that wanted to turn this into chaos, because it's a great way to attack Donald Trump.

Whatever it was, there definitely was people that were instigating people to get into the building, there's video recordings of it. There's also weird instances of cops opening gates, letting people in. The fact that it was severely underpoliced. When they had the George Floyd protest, the Black Lives Matter protest, they had way more cops there for that than they did for this crazy thing where the dude is denying the

election and his rabid fans are going to show up and you're not prepared for this? The seems, the whole thing seems like if I was going to make a playbook, if I was gonna instigate a bunch of dumbasses to go do something really stupid because it will make their leader look like a fascist and Hitler, that's how I would do it. So you have that too. It's not as simple as the Trucker protest was a legitimate protest where a bunch of people were like, why are you telling me that I have to take this experimental medication or I can't work? Like where is the fucking information?

And now over time we've seen now that the studies that they did do, they don't have to release them for like 75 years. You know about all that? Like all the paperwork involving the vaccines? What is exact ruling of like what information they're withholding for 75 years? Let's be real clear on that. But then it's also how many people we know that got injured by it? You're smart to be reluctant to do something that's new, given the history and track record

of pharmaceutical drugs in this country Absolutely when you have a novel new thing the idea that this is gonna be the one that's absolutely innocuous You should at least you should be able to to consider not doing it talk about not doing it Listen man. There's no drugs like that There's no drugs that have a gigantic effect on anything that don't have some people that have horrible adverse reactions to them. Even normal shit. Some people, people die from Tylenol all the time, man.

They overdose on it. People die from all kinds of medication, it turns out they have an allergy to. It's like weird shit happens with people. And people are right to be reluctant. But you might be right and you might be wrong, but you're right to express that you don't think the government should be able to tell you what you can and can't do specifically about putting something into your body or you can't work. That's crazy.

So that's that protest. It's a different protest. The whole vibe behind it's different. It is a different protest. Yeah, the whole vibe behind it's different. Absolutely. It is a different subject for sure. It's in response to tyranny. Foyer requests. The FDA had previously said that it takes approximately eight minutes per page to process records for the foyer request, and that it could only review and release 500 pages a month, which is 6,000 pages a year, at that rate it would take 75 years to release all the data. That's crazy!

That's so crazy. I guess the point I'm trying to make, which is outside of the weeds of it, is when I'm hanging out in Canada, half the people I talk to are so excited for me to come down here and they're all like, you know, they were supportive of the truckers, right? Like this was not – like this was not some fringe thing in Canada. Maybe the people that actually got in their truck and drove there and camped out there. Maybe that was a little bit more of a, you know, dedicated protester than the average citizen. But it's just like here.

You have people, fuck Joe Biden. Fuck Trudeau, they kept chanting there at the USC. You would probably be amazed to see. I don't know if this is so common in Canada that we just don't even really think to mention it. Driving around everywhere in the country, in the city, everywhere, people pick up trucks, fuck Trudeau flags. It says fuck Trudeau, black flag, white letters, Canada flag on it, people are mad. So it's not just like

everybody in Canada is just down with it now Enough people are down with it that he got elected But he might not get elected the next time and then then then that'll be just I hope he doesn't just be like it is down here If he gets elected again, you guys are glutton's for punishment. Yeah, it could be it could be the same as here Biden could get elected again. Trump could get elected. It's sort of like, this is, I was thinking the other day, I'm almost kind of wondering, this is obviously a stupid idea, but I'm wondering like maybe it wouldn't be almost be better if we just got rid of the elections and just let the conservatives run it for four years

and then just automatically the liberals run it for years. I can pick a million holes in why that wouldn't work. And just let it go back and forth and then people can just be like, okay, let's just all get along, let them have four years at running the country, do what they do, let the other side run for four years. It's kind of a pendulum that goes back and forth anyways. And then we can kind of get back to just all getting along and- Trevor Burrus Well, even if that did happen, the same

problem would take place. And it's that the people that are embedded, even if that did happen, the same problem would take place. And it's that the people that are embedded, that are running the government, the real people behind the curtain, they're always there. They don't get elected. They're always there. And those are the people that are actually running the government. So it would be the same horseshit that we're dealing with now. Every four years, some new spokesperson comes in play and they do a bunch of shit that pisses

off half the country and the same thing behind the scenes, the same people are running things. Yeah, it's so frustrating and I got to the point where I started to kind of just try to disconnect from the conversation, which sometimes I feel bad about it because you want to have a social contribution to it. Awareness. Yeah, but then you go, man, I just don't feel like talking about the same thing over

and over and over and over again. It's like, yeah. But what I was going to say though is that, you know, like, the whole system is set up so that one person can't be in control for too long. That's the whole idea about term limits. You got four years and then you get elected again, you get another four years and then you're fucking done. I don't, I'm just saying this. This is not something that I fully support, but there's something to be

said for someone staying in there for a long time and getting it right if they're good at it. Right? I mean, if I was in any other job, we would backfire with power and control. The problem is we are terrified of having someone like Putin who's in control of Russia for decades. But if you had someone who was good at the job, you would want them to stay on the job. Like if you had the best CEO of your company, you're making record money and everything's doing great and the products are incredible.

You'd want to keep that guy as the CEO. He's obviously killing it. When Steve Jobs was running Apple, he's killing it. You don't want to remove him as the CEO. Because you know how long it takes to build anything, right? Right. And how long it takes to get good at your job. It takes decades to build anything.

Right. And to figure out who are the right people, who's backstabby, who's fucking, who's, you know, what are the issues? Who's trying to climb the political ladder and they're just thinking about themselves only their sociopaths. Figure it out. It takes a long time to fucking work your cabinet now. If you had a president that was a young president that gets in at like 38 40 years old and 20 years of running

the country correctly that's what most of these dictatorships have as a benefit yeah it's horrible for the people but at the benefit of having one guy run things just keep it locked up and this is the right way to do it. We've been doing it this way forever. This is correct. Yeah. It's interesting that, yeah, you got a couple.

The most important job ever in a new guy gets it or a new woman ever yet, but someday. Every four years. Yeah. That's crazy. And often trying to undo everything that was done the four years before. Yeah, well, so that's what term limits brought in. But then on the flip side, you know, we don't have term limits in Canada, and Trudeau's going to be there for, you know, if you're not a fan of Trudeau,

you go, oh, I wish we had term limits, you know, because he's been there over eight years now, right? So, and- Right, but he might be getting voted out. He might be getting voted out. It seems like the Canadians are leaning towards getting rid of him. Is that correct? You might be getting voted out. It seems like the Canadians are leaning towards getting rid of them. Is that correct? You know, it's one of those things where it's kind of feels like it's almost like 50-50

ultimately, but who knows? I think it definitely feels like it could happen. Who doesn't want to get rid of them? Who are those people? A lot of it's regional. I guess it's, you know what, I kind of, if we, I knew if we were gonna talk about this, I wanted to kind of sort of make this point, because I, again, I want Americans to understand

what Canada is. It's exactly like here. It's the same people that, the same type of people that like Biden are the people that like Trudeau. Like the people in Canada that vote for Trudeau are the exact same people that they like Biden too. There's nobody in Canada that likes Trudeau that also likes Trump. There's also nobody in Canada that likes Pierre Polyev that likes Biden.

It's exactly the same. It's the same division. It's even on social media, it's the same. Like you go on social media, you go on TikTok, you got angry conservatives in Canada saying, fuck Trudeau and we you know, we're turning into a communist country and all of this stuff, like completely, completely the exact same thing as here. So it's just, if I was, I'm not here to try to be a spokesperson for Canada or anything,

but they would not want that. Well, I think that's what scares us the most about Canada is that Canada is so similar to the United States, but we're seeing your rights erode. There's also weird bills that keep getting passed, you know, the C-16 bill, the, you know, mandatory pronouns, mandatory use of someone's pronouns. And then there was the fact that you guys don't really have freedom of speech. You have hate laws. You have hate speech laws.

And then you also have some weird shit going on with Canada trying to regulate the internet. And with the government trying to regulate podcasts and make podcasts subject to their – try. I did a little research on this in case it came up. They tried and they haven't put into effect that regulation of the internet of as far as regulating disinformation. That has not been put into effect. And Trudeau actually said he would not put that into effect. It was a sort of a subset of – it's sort of like you've got your extreme left wing here and then you have cooler heads and they did not actually put that into effect. Trevor Burrusi Is it still on the table? Aaron Ross Trudeau has said that he would never put that into effect.

Trevor Burrusi Well, I think he's saying that now because he knows it's fucked. Aaron Ross And so the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms Okay, that's kind of like our Constitution. I guess they they say we have freedom expression freedom of the press freedom of assembly So so we do have the elements of your government that would even consider that yeah, but it's like here It's like it's like here. It is here. That's the same exact same It's the same thing like if you don't agree with it, then it's the same thing as you know, you know fuck Joe Biden You know, it's the same exact kind of people. It's the same thing. Like if you don't agree with it, then it's the same thing as, you know, fuck Joe Biden, you know, it's the same thing.

Fuck Trudeau. Fuck Trudeau. Same thing. And so, you know, because it's interesting, like I just really want, you know, Americans who are, you know, just not, have never been to Canada to understand that. Like there's a lot.

Are you working for the Canadian Ministry of? I would consider it. Tourism and travel. You know what I was thinking about? Like in Canada, you don't have to be born in Canada to run for prime minister. You could run for prime minister of Canada and come up and solve all this stuff. I mean, you have to live up there, but it's a nice place. You come on up to Canada, you would win too. That's the thing that would be amazing. You would

win and you could just- Imagine if I became Prime Minister of Canada. Can you imagine? I was just thinking- Do you think it's crazy Donald Trump being President of the United States? That would be next craziest thing. That would be the next craziest thing. More crazy. Almost more crazy because at least he was like hinting about running for president forever. Have I just on a whim? Just decided to go run for the prime minister of Canada and win because you would win

because you have so many fans up there. You really do and that's why I won. That's so scary. I'm so unqualified to run a country. Well, I mean you've got a lot of, you know, valid concerns and you feel strongly about things. I think you should run. I would support you. I think that would be amazing. I want to roll up to the World Economic Forum high on mushrooms. See, in Canada, by the way, mushrooms are basically legal in Canada now. Weed is, here's the sum, the Trudeau, again, not, he did legalize weed, that is one thing that he did do.

So... Congratulations, you did one good thing. It's just, he's a weasel. That's the problem. He's what I don't like in leaders. This fake bullshit, fucking nonsensical gaslighting. That shit drives me nuts. It's so creepy. And then using all

the inclusive terms to make it seem like everybody else is a piece of shit and you're an amazing human being and you're on the right side of progressive movement. It's all just a bullshit act to stay in power. And when you see politicians do it, you know they just fucking wet their finger and try to figure out which way the wind's blowing and say those things and then act in The interest of whatever money got them into that position in the first place. Yeah, whatever machine is behind them Whatever support they get That's that's all they're doing and those types of politicians. That's not the only kind you can have You know, it's kind of like

Yeah, it's you can have real leaders. They do exist. It's kind of like, yeah. You can have real leaders. They do exist. It's such a huge sort of thing to wrap your head around. It's capitalism, it's money, it controls everything. I mean, I kind of feel just leaving Hollywood kind of has sort of reset a little bit of life. Oh, yeah.

You know, this more than anybody else, of course, but, you know, because we even talked about this whatever it was 20 years ago on my podcast about how, you know, you can democratize media with podcasting and get rid of all this money controlling everything, controlling. And so it's sort of a, you know, a micro, everything, controlling. And so it's sort of a micro sort of, or it's a similar thing to just politics in general. Money comes in, controls everything. It can be so frustrating, especially now when you can see that you don't necessarily have to play that game anymore.

So yeah, it does. Well, it's also the hive mind of Hollywood you're leaving. There's a thing that happens in that town in that area where the people that think outside of the norm say it in like whispered hush tones There's a certain ideology that's attached to that city and it's not logical. It's a kooky wacky and it's not logical. It's a kooky, wacky, completely insulated left-wing view of the world, and they enforce it with an iron fist. And if you're not on that team,

you don't get booked for things. You don't get picked for things. If you're someone who has conservative leanings that you talk about, because if there's projects, you're never gonna get. You're never gonna be involved with, people will, they'll malign you and without knowing you at all be openly prejudiced about you. And so no one does it.

So everyone who goes over there who's just like desperately trying to make it, they're desperately trying to get in movies, they're desperately trying to get a recording deal, whatever it is they're desperately trying to get in movies. They're desperately trying to get a recording deal, whatever it is, they're desperately trying to do. The last thing they want to do is do something and talk about something that's going to politically get them at odds with the people that run the studios. So no one does. Everybody just follows the same sort of wacky ideology these people take from the universities, they go straight into working as a PA and

straight into working for executives and producers and all of those people are indoctrinated. They're all in this wild-ass cult of weirdness and then you have people that move there to try to make it and these people are just always going on auditions. So they're always like, please choose me, please choose me. And no, they didn't choose me. So you're trying to be friends with the people who choose people. You're trying to get them into parties, trying to introduce them to other people. You're trying to be around other famous people. Getting anxiety just thinking about it. So this person's been chosen. I got to be around the chosen person. We're going to

go to the chosen person's party. Maybe we can get chosen. And so you get this like overwhelming anxiety that fills the fucking city. And then now you have tick-tockers and influencers and all these people that are just trying to do anything to get famous Yeah, and that the reality stars and all that started it all off and the fucking real house wise and all that wacky shit You get away from that. You're like, oh, there's real people out there. There's real people. That's a storm of anxiety Uh-huh, absolutely hurricane of confusion, Zoloft and fucking, and everyone's losing their mind and everyone's in therapy and everyone's fucking nuts and everyone's trans. It's out of touch. It's just a crazed cult.

Yeah, it's like, you know, you start out as a stand-up comedian and you are trying to, you know, poke holes in the, you know, the absurdity of the world and you're saying things that are not being said on stage and then, you know, as, you know, you all of a sudden get brought into, and I'm sort of saying the, the, every stand-up comedian, every outlier, every person that's doing something different, a punk rocker, a skateboarder, you know, my goofy show was so out there when I was making it. And I was making it, I was rebelling against, you know, in Canada in my little public access show.

I was kind of trying to rebel against what obviously seems like a formulaic, mainstream way of thinking to create art, right? And then you move to Los Angeles because – well, the show got on MTV. I ended up moving to Los Angeles. Now you're – I'm talking about myself now. You're in the trance. All of a sudden being asked to go on the show, the Tonight Show, Saturday Night Live, and you're on these shows. And I was sort of a bit of a naive moron, basically.

Purposefully so, I would go on these shows and try to go nuts and try to do something crazy and just try to almost disrupt the whole format of? In those first couple of years as a naive person who didn't understand how Hollywood worked. And I was just, you know, I went on, I had a similar thing to our last appearance here on Jay Leno, I went on Jay Leno when I had a film coming out. I went Jay Leno and I came up with this bit. Let me roll the bar, you know, remember they had

the bar cart, the J bar. I'll roll it out on stage during the show, and then I'll do a shot of Jagger with Jay. You know, Jay doesn't, this is a crazy story, I probably told you this before, but I do a shot of Jagger with Jay, and Jay doesn't drink, so he said, okay, well, I'll throw it over my shoulder, right?

So we go there, and I'm with my buddy who's, you know, he has a buddy who like pushes you further into the darkness, right? Like, you know, like, you know, you got a bad idea and he pushes you further and makes it even worse. You lose the force. Yeah. So we're in the green room getting ready.

I'm in the green room with my buddy getting ready to go on the show and he goes, do a shot now before he go on. I'm like, okay, so I do a shot now before I go on, right? Get ready to go on. The bit's all approved with a tonight show, you know? It's a gag. They know I'm doing real jagger, right? But it wasn't planned that I would do a shot before I go on.

You go, do another shot before you go on. Two shots. Two shots. Do another one. So now I walk out, I'm three shots in before the show even starts. Oh boy, you're hammered. Well, then, yeah, and then I got out there

and I did a shot and the audience goes crazy and cheers, right? And so then I do another shot and so I end up doing way too many shots and it kind of ended up very similarly to our last conversation here. And it was actually pretty hilarious. It was one of those things where, you know, it did get out of control. The next day, the New York Post had my picture and it said, dead drunk. It was just like one of those things. And Jay called me at home the next day, you okay, man? You really kind of went up. But then that was sort of

the beginning of me realizing, oh, you can't. Why Tom Green went on Leno and deliberately got drunk. Yeah. And, you know, in hindsight, I go, well, that was, you know, kind of the outrageous kind of young version of me that I was doing on the show that made perfect sense to do that for a gag. But then, you know, the naive kid in me didn't understand, well, you know, a lot of people in Hollywood did not understand that and then got mad and the movie studio- Pete, you got mad at you? Well, like the movie studio, I was on promoting a movie and they were like, oh, we don't want

you to go any more talk shows for the movie. I'm like, oh, what? I was like, it was a joke. I was obviously, it was a joke and they're not interpreting it as a joke. They're interpreting it as me being kind of out of control. Which, yeah, exactly. But it was a manufactured out of control. I was out of control, but it was planned confusion, right?

But that kind of subtlety didn't really kind of pass the smell test. So then you start to go, oh geez, I better tone it down a little bit. You know, better be better tone it down a little bit because this and you sort of end up falling into that feeling where all of a sudden you're like you said, going to an audition or driving out to a meeting and or just trying to just being a person that you're not. Yeah, exactly. If you're hosting a late night talk show and all of a sudden you're this sort of wearing a tie, this odd button down. And trying to make something that they like and fit into their mold and, you know, try

to get your own little creative shots off within that mold, but no longer are you actually being purely yourself, right? Right. And you can't. And so then, you know, you end up living there for 20 years, end up living there for 20 years, and it becomes normal pretty quickly, right? And then you sort of slowly forget, oh, you know, oh, this is just the way it works, I guess now.

And then eventually, you know, one day you go, I'm getting out of here and I gotta say, you know, when you moved here, it was a bit of a light bulb, I think, for me too. I was inspiring for me because I sort of realized, oh, look at that, Joe's leaving. You know, because you were always at the comedy store, all the clubs, it was the scene in LA and you're thinking, wow, like Joe's just gonna go do it on his own and just turn his back

on this whole infrastructure here. And I was like, yeah, you can do that. You don't have to be here. And it was really inspiring and it inspired a lot of people. And I can tell you, again, it's now living in the woods, not far from where I grew up. We had a cottage when I was a kid, pretty close to where I grew up. They've got these birds there called whipper-wills, right?

Whipper-will, whipper-will. They make this sound. They're a really unique sounding bird, right? Hank Williams sings about him. And I grew up as a kid hearing those in the woods at night, you know, just to duskly hear them. And now like when I'm going to bed, I hear those and I'm going like, oh, I feel like the sounds

of my childhood are in the smells of my childhood and even the things, you know, the mosquitoes, the horse flies, and you're like, even the smells of my childhood and even the things with the mosquitoes, the horse flies. You know, even the large mouth bass in the lake and the red-winged blackbirds and all those sounds and smells and everything. And you feel like yourself again. And it's like – and there was – for 20 years, I'd be like driving up Laurel Canyon, looking at palm trees, and for 20 years, even after 20 years living in the same house, I never felt like I was

actually at home. I felt like I was off on some business trip trying to, and I remember saying, you know, even just, even after living there 15, 20 years, like, what the hell am I doing at Los Angeles? This is crazy. What is a weird place? You know, it's like a weird place. And you know, you feel almost like you have to be there.

Now everything's changed, the internet. I think, and I think COVID did that for a lot of people too, because all of a sudden everybody's locked in their house and you're dealing with people and these Zoom calls and the internet's changed. You don't have to be anywhere anymore. We realize we can be wherever we want. You know, you took your entire organization away and it's bigger than ever and light bulbs start going off and you're like, wow, you know what?

That's really cool. I'm going gonna go home. Well, yeah when we were living in LA you're you're always thinking of yourself as someone who wants to Work with the system. You're always thinking of that always. I mean I was on Television shows I did all that stuff did a couple of movies. You're always working with the system Yep, so no matter what you do You're always working with the system.

So no matter what you do, you're working with, even when you put out specials, you're putting out specials, you're meeting with these people, you're working with the system. And you start to think that that's what you do. That's the business that you're, but it's not. What you do is what you do. That's what you do. What you do is what you do.

And you could do what you do wherever you want to do it. Especially once you get good enough at it that you have an audience and like you're supposed to take a chance. You're not supposed to like keep living your life by these like bizarre tyrants and their rules and regulations about the way, and the way they behave and the way they fucking the, the, it's so ridiculous. It's such a bizarre place to be.

And when you realize that you don't need that anymore, and comedians today realize they don't need that anymore, all they need is a TikTok account or a YouTube account, an Instagram account, a Twitter account, and some good content. And if you get on podcasts, people will check you out. They'll try you out. And there's a gigantic, organic network of comedians. We're all friends with each other and we all get on each other's podcast and we all trust each other. Like if I tell you this guy's really funny, go see him. Like I'm telling you the truth.

I would not ever lie and I wouldn't have them on if I didn't think they were funny, if I didn't like them. They weren't nice people. I'm not interested. So there's this beautiful organic thing and that's the real network now. That's the real network. It's an organic network. There's no contracts.

Every comic that I know that has contracts with other comics, they start doing things together, it always goes south. Maybe it cannot go south once or twice. Maybe there's some great people that are figured out. I mean, Tom Sigoura seems like he's figured out how to do it with your mom's house, but that's almost it. Everybody else that I know that gets involved with deals and so like just fucking just help each other.

Just help each other organically. That was what I really loved about hanging at the mothership the last two nights is the energy there is different. Like for the comedy club just in the green room. You felt it. You can tell that you've created an energy there that is supportive, right? All the comics are just hanging out in the green room smoking cigarettes and everyone's talking and just, you know, it's super chill.

And I did, you know, sometimes find that, you know, it wasn't always like that when you're at a comedy club and other comedians are sometimes a little more feel, a little more competitive with each other and there's a little bit of a problem. So stupid, it's so stupid. Any competition that you have with other comedians is inspiration.

That's all you should look at it. If someone's doing really well and you're like, wow, I wish I was doing that well, great. That's inspiration to work harder. That's an inspiration to go write more, do more sets, reevaluate your material, go over it better, do something, write more, have some life experiences that you could translate and interact.

Like, it's a good work harder. So it's like, you should just be inspired. And if that person's a good person, you should be happy for them. And that's what we can all do. This idea that we can all do. This idea that we're all in competition with each other is just stupid. It's not good for anybody.

I was stoked to get to see your work in progress, your new hour that you're working on and that was incredible. Thank you. Yeah, that was really fun. You got such a great place to watch the show there too. I mean, first of all fat man room little fat man little boy awesome I mean I just love the the way you've set up for the comics where you can go and sit on that balcony up there and just watch The back is very nice. It was just really

Amazing to watch you working out your new your new your new shit. It's fucking awesome and I enjoyed our conversation because I've watched a lot of your interviews with comedians here and I saw your interview with Louis and you were talking about writing and saw your interview with Bill Burr, you're talking about writing and there's this thing where a lot of comics don't write and we were talking about this a little bit the other day. But I love the process of hearing how the process works for you because I kind of do a mixture of things too. I like to go set a computer and type stuff up.

But I've always found it hard to like, this is a question I kind of have for you because when you go right, you work it out on stage and you got your idea, you got your premise, you got your punch lines, you got your, and you're working it on stage. And then I found it really inspiring actually, because first of all, I love the way it works with Stand Up. Like when you showed up at the green room, you're about to go on stage and you're like focused, you know? You're like focused and you're going through your notes and you're focused and I'm like, you know, I can tell you're focused, right?

Then you go out, you kill it, you come back in and you see the, you know, that adrenaline rush and then we're just, you know, and then where everyone's just, you're just relaxed and it's just that release, right? And then we were just talking about writing and you said you're gonna go home and actually Yeah, I don't know if you want people to know this is too far into the behind the curtain or whatever No, it's okay. I'm gonna go home and right after I just think that's so cool You know well, it's fresh you go home and actually type type up some stuff That's what I've been doing some of my best writing Yeah, there's like a two-hour window that I have where I'm still jazzed from being on stage right right right and you're still kind of

Thinking in that mindset. Yeah, you gotta just kind of and don't let yourself relax you're still kind of thinking in that mindset. Yeah. You got to just kind of, and don't let yourself relax too much. Like kind of stay in that mindset. Right. And then, you know, as long as I'm not up too late where I get tired, then I'm forcing it, you know, so, but if I can get home at a reasonable time and I've got a lot of energy, I get my best writing in. I get some of my best ideas.

Because I'm already thinking like comedy. Yeah. You know. You just had just had it. You said it. You have the exact words and rhythm in your head. And that I thought was a bit of a light bulb for me. That's inspiring because I often find it's like, you know, when you write something down or when you do the set and you maybe write it down after and then you don't go get to writing it and then you never remember what the rhythm was later. What the hell was it I said again? I know it was way funnier than what I'm writing right now.

So that's... That's why recordings are so important. Just put your phone on the little voice recording thing just to get a reference. I was talking to Louis C.K. I had a conversation with him about this and it was pretty interesting because I've kind of, you know, I like to drink, but I kind of quit. I really have cut back drinking in the last...

I quit drinking like three days ago. But stand up. I wasn't doing stand up when I was doing my TV show. I'd done it when I was a kid. I stopped. I did my TV show. I started again like 13, 14 years ago. I was drinking a lot like I like to drink like everybody likes to drink.

And I go on the road and I started realizing, man, like even if I go drinking Friday night after the show, my Saturday night shows aren't as good as they could have been because I'm kind of like carrying a little bit of this alcohol around me from the night before. I quickly realized, you know, the beginning was like, I'll have a beer on stage, right? Then I go, oh, I better not have a beer on stage. I'll wait till after the show to have a drink. So then after the show Friday night, you know, on the road it's fun, you know, you're in Cleveland,

let's go, let's party, we're in Cleveland. So you know, you have a few too many drinks after the show Friday night. And of course I was younger too, right? I was in my 30s, so you can handle it a little more too than when you're 52. So, but then every year that went by, I was like, oh, those Saturday night shows are getting a little harder to get through.

And it's just one too many Saturdays just lying in my hotel room just waiting for the show to start hungover going, oh my God, and then dreading and being on stage. So then I decided I was going to quit drinking when I'm doing stand-up. So I'm not drinking this weekend until maybe Sunday night. I mean, we'll have a drink Sunday night. Maybe even Saturday night. I could do a hungover show Sunday. But, but, you gotta have a little fun.

Listen, I got a solution for you. IV drips. Yeah. Oh, it's a game changer. So I can keep drinking? You bring that right on stage with you? The IV here? No.

I'm just kidding. You don't bring the IV on stage. The next day, silly goose. So I can keep drinking? You bring that right on stage with you? The IV here? No. I'm just kidding. You don't bring the IV on stage. The next day, silly goose. The next day, get a high dose vitamin IV. Well, the thing that I've been enjoying about kind of scheduling it where it's like I don't drink for a couple of days before a weekend like this when doing five shows is like I

find – and this is what I was talking about with Louis about where I had a, you know, we're not close friends but I had an opportunity to have a conversation with him about this once and it was pretty cool because the way his mind thinks is so, you know, analytical about this type of specific, everything comedy, right? And I was telling him, I was saying, you know, I stopped drinking before I go on stage because, you know, I feel like there was this period where I didn't have a drink for a couple weeks. And when I was doing crowd work, I was just coming up with stuff that I would never, you know, you know, when you have a great set of crowd work and you get up, you know, I came up with this intricate story that I told.

And it was clear my mind was operating in a different level than it would have been had I just had a few beers the night before even, right? And then he said something I'd never really even occurred to me before, which is when you're working on a set, if you have a little bit of booze in your system even from the night before when you're up there working on a set, you don't remember the stuff that happened on stage as well either. So then when you go home, you don't really even recall, and that's the biggest, the big part of repetition, getting them to do these sets over and over again, and you's the biggest, you know, the big part of repetition,

getting them to do these sets over and over again, and you remember everything and build on it, build on it. And if you're not retaining that information, right, so I'm really laying off the sauce. And I was actually kind of, I was excited to hear that we were going to do this show on the day of my, I'm doing two shows tonight at the Mothership, The Fat Man, and I was kind of excited because I knew I wasn't going to drink on this show.

So you knew you weren't gonna repeat? Yeah, I knew I was not, I was going, I'm not gonna do what I did last time. And so I kind of came to- I'm not trying to encourage you to drink. But I am trying to encourage you that if you do, wind up drinking too much, if you feel hungover, you don't have to just tolerate that.

No, I like that too. Yeah, get an IV drip. An IV drip, huh? Yeah, if you're in town. You don't have to just tolerate that. I like that too. Yeah get an IV drip There's IV drip. Yeah, if you're in town, I'll connect you to the lady that does that just seems like such an extreme It's like you know, you know you're drinking too much when you're like Hospital bed with an IV you know you're being smart about your partying. Yeah. Yeah, you're not in the hospital bed Yeah, yeah, just sitting down takes 20 minutes The reason I told you about the reason why I wanted to come down here sooner and just kind of come check out and hang at the club You know none. I was I was super stoked. I'm actually getting to

Headline the club this weekend. That was even more than I was expecting I was just wanted to come down to see and congratulate you in the club and And the reason it's taken me so long is I had a fucked up thing that happened after I moved to the farm, basically immediately after I moved to the farm and everything was going great. I had a major injury that I told you about. I didn't get into too much detail about it, but I had a major injury in Costa Rica. I went down there for a vacation and there was this, you know, a big bonfire on the beach and everyone was having fun.

I went to bed in the hotel. I wake up, I decide to go back to the bonfire a few hours later. It's like two in the morning at this point. The fire has gotten a lot smaller. I pick up a piece of driftwood off this beach and this remote beach, right? I go up to throw the driftwood on the fire and the reason the fire had gotten smaller is the people that had been at the fire put out the fire by burying it in sand and they buried this huge bonfire that was about the size of this room in sand and so now there

was just a little fire with sand covering hot coals about four feet leading up to it. And I'm walking up to the thing, barefoot, in a bathing suit and a t-shirt with a piece of driftwood and my foot goes into the sand, into these hot coals. Immediate realization, I fall back, so if I'd fallen forward, I mean, my face would be burnt, I ended up immediately realizing what had happened. Third degree burns on both feet, the top and bottom of my right foot and strangely the top of my left foot, not the bottom, thankfully.

And the nerves were completely burned off my feet, so after the initial shock of it, I wasn't in pain, which was the weirdest thing, and I looked down and there's a couple people came to my sort of assistance and we're putting water on it, not feeling anything. You know, I'll get graphic because it's crazy, but the skin is just falling off my feet. I get help back to my room. I'm not wanting this to be, you know, it's the first day I got there. I'm like, this really ruined my vacation, you know. I'm not feeling pain because the nerves are gone, so I'm literally trying to clean it up with like some nail clippers, chopping the little

bit of burnt flesh off. Do you have photos? I do, yeah. Of this? Yeah. Like when it looked like that? Not online, so. No, on your phone.

I have not even. I need to see, I need to see. I haven't even. That sounds insane. I haven't even talked about it online. I didn't, this is the first I've talked about it online. I didn't. This is the first I've talked about it online. Yeah, I never knew that you were injured.

I didn't want to talk about it. I just didn't. It was crazy. I ended up spending two weeks in the hospital in Costa Rica and then was medivacked on an air ambulance with Charlie. Whoa, Charlie, you were there for the whole ride? Yeah, with Charlie, yeah. And the nurses take Charlie to go potty?

So I had some friends who came down, who were coming down anyways, and they took Charlie. Oh, Charlie. They looked after Charlie for two weeks while I, so I got driven to the San Jose Hospital. Charlie, what's up? And she was worried. She's adorable, man. She's such a sweet dog. I know the people that have seen her out now are like, oh, she's kind of freaked out, but normally she's not freaked out at all.

She's super sweet. She runs up to everybody and wagging her tail. Super friendly. It's last, yeah so as I got to this hospital, there's a surgeon from Columbia who worked there, great hospital thankfully, came out, he said, looked at my foot, said we're taking you in immediately into surgery. And they did skin grafts off my leg and they took skin grafts like the size of a football off my right leg and stapled 60 staples to staple the skin into my foot. And then I come up out of surgery and the doctor says to me, which I think he was trying

to make me feel better, but he said, well, the good news is you'll probably be able to live a normal life. He says to me, he says to me, and I can't move. I had morphine going into my back, couldn't feel anything below my waist. I thought it was paralyzed. They told me I wouldn't be able to feel anything below my waist while I came out of it. And then I'd spend two weeks in a hospital bed, and I was not able to get out of the hospital bed for two weeks.

This is debatably too much information, but it's interesting. You get very constipated from all the medicine that's going into you and you end up not being able to go to the bathroom for about a week, but then you ultimately have to go and you can't get out of bed because your foot has to remain elevated. Oh, boy. So this is where you- You gotta drop a log in a bucket. You gotta drop a log in a diaper.

Oh, Jesus. And someone's gotta clean your butts. And then these Costa Rican nurses come in and clean your butt. Oh, Lord. And it was just a really interesting moment of clarity for me where you realize you're humbled as a human being and you realize, oh, this is, I've lost all ability to look after myself and you just kind of end up having to just kind of go with it. And it was, you know, to my honest with, I still think about that sometimes.

It wasn't the worst thing in the world. But you know, they were very kidding. But they were very nice. The nurses were very nice. Well, it's very sweet of them to take care of you like that. So you can't put any weight on your foot because the bottom of your foot is that skin graft as well, or just the top? So then for the next, exactly.

And it was very delicate, the skin graft for the first. No, was the bottom skin grafted as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? It's all around very, very. The bottom of your foot, like the sole of was the bottom skin grafted as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? It's all around very, very… The bottom of your foot, like the sole of your foot was skin grafted. That's crazy because I would think like how do they skin graft that, right?

Does your footprint come back in the same way? The ridges, the dermal ridges and everything? Yeah, but it's not perfect though. It's interesting the… It was a World War II doctor who invented the way of taking these skin grafts. Actually, they did it for burn victims in the war and they invented some really, I don't know the word for it, but some tool that actually takes a micro thin layer of skin. So micro, I don't really have a scar on my leg anymore. It's amazing.

So it's almost like less than paper thin layers of skin. They take them off of strips like this, and then they staple it into your foot to hold it on there. And then that's left on there for about, I think it was just about two weeks actually. And then at the end of the two weeks in Costa Rica, they were, I had to go under three general anesthetic surgeries in Costa Rica and a Central American

Hospital. By myself, by the way. My mom wanted to fly down. My dad wanted to fly down. I was like, you know what? I'm just sitting here like half out of it. So I just spent two weeks in there and there was a second surgery where they go in and they checked it. They had they go in and they checked it.

They had to go in and check it. And so I had to go under general just to like take the bandages off because it's painful. And then the third general one was to go in and take the staples out. And then medevac back to Toronto to Sunnybrook burn center, Sunnybrook hospital burn center where I spent another 10 days. And then for the next essentially six months, Joe, I would have to go to a doctor three times a week to have my bandages changed because it's like oozing. For six months? Yeah.

I was spoke three times a week for the first two months and then it was like twice a week and then it was once a week and And they're also monitoring it for infection, right because if you get an infection Then they have to amputate your foot. So it's basically six months of me just worried about I'm losing my foot You know you said I'm gonna have am I gonna have like one testicle and one foot is this what's going on with me? So so they didn't they didn't have to amputate my foot, fortunately, but it was pretty scary shit. Holy shit, dude. And anyways, and then it was kind of like limping for the next year, and then now I'm kind of still a little wobbly, but it's pretty good.

I'm just going to... I actually found some photos of this and pulled them up because I thought you might ask when I told you about this. Of course. And and pull them up because I thought you might ask when I told you about this course now the thing about this is What's crazy is this is like? This is actually This is like actually when it had healed so I mean that's that's after it healed this this is this is months Months this is maybe two months after I was back in Canada at this point. I have some better ones. You know, here's, here's, let's see, here's, this is sort of healing up,

healing up this, that's my mom, my mom had nothing, healing up at the hospital, but yeah, it's, damn son, you got fucked up. Yeah, yeah, but it's, damn son you got fucked up yeah yeah but it's you know could have been worse right could have been worse so yeah you're alive you're here could have been worse and you get this you get the sense of almost it's almost like a sense of gratitude you get afterwards because you're like I'm alive I'm here I still got my foot and say it's so strange how that happens because it's happened to me twice now in my life because I had testicular cancer when I was on MTV and that's why I stopped the show and I'd go to the hospital, they'd took my right testicle, I still got the left one, everything's fine.

But, and you go from, there's this moment where you're like, in both occasions, this moment where you're sort of traumatized by what's happening and angry about it, and then it sort of almost instantly flips. It must be some sort of human self-preservation kind of thing that's built into where our minds work, where you're now grateful that it's not worse. Like, oh, it's healing. I still have my foot. This is a learning experience.

I'm not going to do that again. You think that's wired into people? I think the opposite. I think that's a learned skill. I think that's something that you recognize as an intelligent person. Like, you know what? I should be thankful for what I have all the time. And we all should.

It's really hard to be. You get so accustomed to the way your life is that you can't imagine if you were like severely impaired or something horrible happened. It's like after I had cancer, it sometimes it comes into my mind like a little bit of a light bulb or a wave. Like I'll think to myself, you know, if I'm having a slightly bad day, you know what I mean? And I'll be like, I don't know for whatever reason it happens to sometimes when I'm out

doing normal errands and I'm having a slightly bad day. I go into the gas station, pump and gas or something. And then I think to myself, oh man, at least I'm not in the hospital right now dealing with some crazy existential life and death thing. And so yeah, maybe it is a learned thing because of what I've been through with that because the same thing happened after I burned my foot. As soon as you're quickly started, you go from, I can't believe this has happened. I'm angry. I've just ruined my vacation. I might lose my foot. This is horrible too. Okay. How are we going to get better? How are we going to make sure that

I do everything to change the bandages on time? And your whole life changes, right? You know, I'm not thinking about all the things that I'm normally stressed about, whether it's work or relationships or whatever, things that are just normal, standard things that you're pissed off about. And all of a sudden, you're just – oh, not even thinking about that anymore. I'm just thinking about making sure I don't get an infection on my foot and you're sort of treating it like a military operation, trying to save your foot or trying to make sure that you make the right choices in your cancer

treatment. And then when you come out of it, it's true, it's possibly a learned thing. You come out of it and you realize, oh, all that shit that I'm normally worried about doesn't matter compared to what I just went through. And then you can kind of maybe learn from that. And you know, then you, it's time passes, you slip back into the same routine, you start stressing out about the same things again,

but then every once in a while it pops into your head and go, at least I'm not dealing with the foot's healed and I'm outside right now and everything's good, I'm walking, I'm talking, I'm alive, so gratitude. Gratitude. It's also people need to experience a certain amount of discomfort in order to appreciate not having that. It's just the way we're wired for whatever

reason. I choose voluntary discomfort. I do shit like cold plunges and so on as in hard workouts and I think it's a viable strategy. I think it really works. I think if you can force yourself to do difficult things like a difficult workout, a difficult yoga class Cold plunges saunas that kind of shit Your regular life will be less stressful. Yeah, you'll be you'll be able to deal with these We're seemingly high stress situations They will seem less

Stressful because you're doing voluntary stress all the time. And you prepare yourself for difficult things. When you don't prepare yourself for difficult things, you can get caught up in like just traffic being something that blows your mind. You can't handle anymore. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

I see you doing those cold plunges, and I haven't done that yet, but people do that in lakes and stuff. Yeah, it's awesome. I want to do that. Get a sauna, put it right by your leg. Yeah, I want to do that. I want to get a sauna. But that lake's cold as fuck in the winter, huh? Yeah, I was to do that get a sauna put it right by your leg Yeah, I want to do that. I want to get so cold as fuck in the winter

Yeah, I was playing hockey on it a few weeks ago. Yeah, just out there shooting some pucks in the net and and you know So I can black and skate again. I did the first year. I didn't skate You know get yourself one of them little wood powered saunas. Yeah, you can use it with firewood Yeah, you don't have to have anything electricity rigged up out there. Yeah, they make a bunch of those Yeah, you can get Throw some wood in there, get that bitch hot as fuck, get a chainsaw, cut a hole in the ice, make sure you don't drown. I am going to do that because it's, I'm not sure how, I mean I haven't done a coal plunge. I can tell you that I do like the cold, like we sort of touched on that earlier, like when you just go

outside into, like sometimes it's Canadians complain about the cold who live in the city, but when you live in the country it's different. The city, winter sucks because like they put salt on the roads and you're basically running from your house to your car. But in the country when there's – you go outside and nature and you walk into the woods, there's no bugs, there's no mud, everything's frozen. You can go places you can't go in the summer, in the winter, you can walk across lakes,

you can walk across huge lakes to islands that are over there with warm, bath and Canada goose jacket on. Something about walking across lakes that I don't like. Oh yeah, it's, I don't like it. It's sort of like, I was kind of thinking to myself, I was gonna say, it's sort of like a I kind of was thinking to myself, I was gonna say, it's sort of like a cold plunge,

except it's just you just go outside as a cold plunge. Sometimes, you know, it's like you do get a dopamine rush, right, just from being outside. So you can, like, I've actually noticed that in warmer climates, sometimes I'm a bit more lethargic, you know, but when the winter comes, it's like, okay, go outside, it's like, you know, you feel it, you feel that, you know, it's just. Well it's like okay go to side It's like you know, you're feeling you feel that you know, it's just well let him in you So he's have a studio really cold. Yeah, and one people to be warm and sleepy. Yeah. Yeah

Keeps the comedy fresh yeah, yeah, but there's something about walking across a lake that is just like Oh, no, no, well cuz you know, I know you can't yeah, I'm like I went ice let's get this break. Oh no, no, well, because you know. I know you can't. I know, I went ice fishing last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. Now people make mistakes all the time. They go, they wait too long, it's a spring,

and they drive the truck out on it, and it goes through the ice. But if you're properly advised by people that know what they're doing, don't, you know, like the people, you know, that some of my friends out there do a lot of ice fishing, you know, they tell you, okay. The other thing you can do is,

like when I was playing hockey on the lake this year, you just stay close to the shore. So you go, okay, well, if I fall through, it's only two feet deep or three feet deep here. So, you know, you won't actually be sucked away under the ice, but walking across in the middle, yeah, you have a little bit more dangerous out in the middle there. I'm sure you've seen the video of the Russian woman who jumps into the river.

Oh yeah. It's so horrible. Oh my gosh, yeah. They cut a hole in the ice and she doesn't realize it's a raging river underneath it and she gets sucked under. And I heard that just happened recently in the states too, a woman's dog or something went in and she dove in after. Oh god. God damn it.

Yeah, the... That's fucking terrifying. The idea being trapped under the ice. There's another one of a guy who's trying to... They cut two holes and they try to swim from one to the other and the ice is clear and you see him under there. You can't figure where the hole is. You see him get disoriented and then you see him trying to find his way back to the other

hole and then he does eventually find his way but there's this sort of moment of panic where his friends are up on top and they're they're banging on the ice And they're trying to say no no this way this way you can see him You can see his body panicking You know you can see him like sort of feeling and when you panic you lose oxygen Yeah, your body your heart rate goes up. It's like not good not easy to keep your- There's the guy, there it is right there. I don't wanna see this, man. I don't wanna see this. Stop it, Jamie.

I remember the first time I saw the concept of falling through the ice in the winter, was that, remember that movie, Never Cry Wolf? You ever seen that movie? That was a good movie. Look at this. Yeah, and this is real. There's their trying to say this way, this way,

and then he goes back all the way back. He goes all the way back. Yeah. Oh, the music even makes it. What is he doing? Yeah, they had a rope, he found the rope. Is he gonna make it? Yeah, he ends up making it, but yeah, there you go. So I think you want a cold punch in the lake closer to shore.

Bro, fuck what that is. Whatever that is, fuck what that is. Jesus Christ. You're so close to the whole thing. Yeah, he was like a foot away from the hole. And he couldn't tell. That's nuts, man. You ever see that movie, Never Cry Wolf from the 80s? It was about a guy that goes up in the Arctic to study wolves and then he ends up befriending them and Brian Dennehy's plays the evil

trapper and it was a... Oh, one of that movies. Yeah, it was a great movie. It was based on this Canadian novel, Farley Moet novel called Never Cry Wolf. Yeah, did the wolves really make friends with him in real life? So he goes up in this novel, right? It's a novel called Never Cry Wolf. Yeah, did the wolves really make friends with him in real life? So he goes up to- And the novel, right? It's a novel? It's a true story. He goes up to, about a scientist who goes up to study these wolves and you know, it's

just sort of man versus nature kind of story. We ended up becoming a Disney movie, but you know, he ends up, you know, running out of food. His food gets dropped off in the wrong place or something like that. So he ends up sort of seeing the wolves eating mice. So then he ends up the big scene that I've probably inspired some of my work later in life. He starts eating mice off crackers and stuff like that.

And it was a big, oh, gross out. So he needs the mice off the crackers. But then he ends up falling through the ice at one point, walking across a lake. And there's a scene like that. And it's one of those, you know, back in the 80s, pre-CGI movies where you're just sort of remembering you had to come up with actual scenes where something relatable and shocking happens that you can actually really like grips you, you know? Then Brian Denne, he shows up and well, you know, he kills the wolves, kills the wolves and it's very sad and that's the end of the movie.

So you don't have to watch it anymore. Well, at one point in time, people did have to have become friends with wolves because that's where dogs came from. So when wolves came around the campfires, there must have been some curious wolves and there must have been some generous hunters who threw them a bone or threw them some meat. And that's how dogs got made the bitch ass wolves They're cooking some nice, you know and it may have woolly mammoth steaks here. I think that smells better than Leaves were eating incredible. Yeah. Yeah, especially with a wolf nose

My god, so we made friends with them, and that's where Charlie comes from. Charlie comes from a wolf. Yeah. I've watched some of your episodes where you talk about wolves because I'm really finding myself interested in it. Because this is, I hear them at night. Like at night, not every night, but I hear them howling and she goes crazy. So in the house at night you hear them Cuz they'll eat her and so so we'll she'll hear them before you know from in the house at night. I

Don't hear them, but all those and this happens, you know three times a week She starts running around the house barking barking barking and then I can then we go in the porch You hear them howling in the distance and and so this summer, and I know this happened to you, I had chickens. I got chickens. I got chickens in June as well. I had six chickens and eggs. I'm getting eggs from my chickens and I'm eating a lot of eggs now. Eating a lot of eggs.

And they free range, right? So I just not fenced in, right? But the woods are sort of – there's a pond and their woods are on the other side of the pond and it's kind of a pasture on one side. So, you know, debatably the wolves and the coyotes don't come right up to near the barns where the chickens are, right? So I've let them free range. So in the morning, I get up and I let the chickens out.

And then they spend the day walking around on the lawn and the grass and then sort of more closer to the house area. And this was great all summer. It was great. I named them. It was Loretta, Patsy, Shania, Dolly, June, and Ann. They were my girls.

Gave them all female country singers names. then they were bonded with them in a way. Like they're kind of sweet, you know? Actually would take – sometimes I'd bring one in the house and like hang out with it and play piano with it. And it was like, you know, it was – I mean, it's getting weird, but you could tell it – it was interested in the music. Like there's an intelligence there that's – no, I mean, chickens aren't known for being the most intelligent thing in the world, but you would see their wheels turning, listening

to the music. I kind of become attached to these chickens, you know? And then, yeah, so I get a bit more comfortable with having them free-range. They free-range all summer, and they're great because they're eating all the bugs and they're getting all the, you know, insects and stuff on the property and around the house. And so I drive into town one day, okay? So I'm gone for two hours, okay? And I come back and I'm coming up the driveway and it's just feathers, feathers, feathers, feathers, feathers.

And there was one survivor, Loretta survived. She was sort of, funnily enough there was one chicken that didn't hang out with other chickens all the time and this one Loretta, I named her Loretta, and she was probably just somewhere else, but this five just got killed by the coyotes and I saw them on my security cameras. I came right up to the house. And so the thing is, it's like you realize, and I realize this even more after talking to the wolf expert, they were watching the house from the woods and they saw me leave

and they knew that there was nobody there and they chose their moment, the wolves. Or I think it might have been coyotes that did the chickens. They like waited. Like they waited for me. They knew my truck. They knew there was nobody there and they said, you know, one good thing to do if you leave, you know, is to play talk radio. You know, maybe they'll hear that.

But so they were watching and they came and they got five of them all at once and it was, the chickens were gone, there was just feathers everywhere. Like, it almost looked like a bomb had hit the chicken, it was like just a big circle of feathers and there's five circles of feathers. It's weird to come upon, right? And so then I have this one chicken left and this is actually kind of sad too. It's funny like I literally cried because I was like so upset and then my neighbors you know, or farmers you know, or buddies of mine came over and they were like, oh look

at the chicken feathers everywhere and I was like, is this normal for me to be crying about this and I said, do farmers cry? They go, not over the dead chickens, you know. I'm like a city guy here crying over my dead chickens. But so then, yes, so then I got two more chickens to keep Loretta company. And this is kind of breaking news as of yesterday. These two new chickens came and they hung up with Loretta

for the next sense, I don't know, August. And then, well, this is a downer, but yesterday I got a call and the two chickens killed Loretta, the one that was from the different flock, you know? They pectored a death last night or two nights ago in the middle of the night. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's a downer. But anyway, so now you're like, okay, so that sucks.

So now you got these two kinds of murderers chickens. So I got these two fucking murderer chickens, and I'm planning to get more chickens in the spring, so I'm going to get rid of the two chickens. Yeah, you have to start from scratch. Start from scratch, because I can't keep these new chickens around. They're fucking murderers. Yeah. That's crazy.

And they're like, hi, I'm your friend. No, you're not. You killed my other friend. Exactly. And they were friends for the, well, they were all together for the last. You know what you're supposed to do. Mm-hmm.

I know. Yeah. Put them in the oven. Yeah. It's not like I'm going to re-home them. Hey, would you like these two murderers? You don't want to rehabilitate them either. Just like that.

Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently you'll let them. Put them on the grill. Yeah. I was told you hang them upside down.

Just hold them upside down for a while and they kind of blackout and then you can Don't want to get revenge for Loretta. It's it's it's a strange. Well, you know what? Here's a here's an interesting thing about revenge because I've been thinking about Well, I was I was thinking about revenge With the coyotes. Yeah, so and so here's the thing that's a very sort of odd thing. I love the coyotes. I love the wolves. I love them. I love hearing them at night. I love seeing them and I photograph them. I've had many moments where I've been engaged in a standoff with them. I filmed it. I just stand off with them. I filmed it.

And so I kind of was really mad for a minute and then I thought, well, you know what, I think I like the coyotes more than the chickens, to be honest with you. So I'm just going to kind of figure out a way to kind of control the situation. But also, you know, watching your show with – I forget who it was, but it was an expert in this area and talking to people apparently like if you try to, again this is all theory, but apparently if you try to completely control the population of coyotes by just make more coyotes. It's Dan Flores.

Yeah. He wrote a book called Coyote America. That's right. He was when talking about that where the coyote actually- The female coyote has more pups. Yeah. Yeah.ups. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's... That was what I was talking about earlier,

where they were prosecuted by the, or persecuted by the gray wolves, because gray wolves and coyotes don't mix. So when the gray wolves would kill the coyotes, the coyotes would expand their range, and then they would repopulate new areas where the gray wolves weren't. And the way they would find out

how many coyotes are around, they'd call out to each otherotes are around they do they call out to each other. That's right. It was on the show that I heard that. Someone is not responding. The female starts to panic and have more pups. Yeah, that's pretty wild.

And that's why they spread all across. They're in the whole country. Yeah. They're in every city in the United States of America. In the cities now, yeah. Yeah, they're everywhere. Every single state has coyotes. Yeah.

It's pretty nuts. But I love them too. I think they're awesome. I definitely wanted to kill them after they killed my chickens. But that's also, it's like, I'm not in the country either, bitch. I'm in a fucking suburb. This is ridiculous.

It's a little small wolves in the suburbs. But they're everywhere in LA. Coyotes are downtown. They're everywhere. They're all over the place in Los Angeles. They're just little wolves. Yeah. I remember they used to come up to my place in LA that we did the web show. There were a lot of coyotes around. I saw Bobcat on that street once. Those are cool.

Those are cool to see, right? Yeah. I was pretty stupid actually when I was there because I first saw the coyotes and I had this idea, oh, I like the coyotes and I would go grocery shop and I'd buy some chicken deserts and I'd throw them on the hillside. And then they really started coming around so I stopped doing that. Yeah, duh. You can't feed coyotes. I'm sure a lot of people in Hollywood do though.

I'm sure they feed deer. I'm sure they feed coyotes. I know people in my neighborhood feed deer. People love having deer around. I know a guy who's got, not in my neighborhood, but he's got like 20 pieces of, 20 acres of land, and he's got at least two feeders. So like at every day at 5 p.m.,

he can look out his window and see deer because they're there to get fed. Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful. You been hunting lately or? Not lately, no Yeah. They're there to get fed. Yeah, it's beautiful. You been hunting lately? Not lately. No. Planning on going out again or come to Canada. Come hunting Canada.

I've been there before. I've wanted to. Your government seriously worries me. Yeah, you know, come up and run for prime minister. Let's change. Come up, run for prime minister. You can do it. It'd be amazing. It'd change it. Come up. Run for Prime Minister. You can do it.

It would be amazing. How do you say his name again? Pauliev. Pauliev. Pauliev. Pauliev. Peter. Pauliev.

Sorry, Peter. No, the people, the people would love to have you up there. Not everybody, but a lot of people would love to have you up there. You know what it's like. Some people with blue hair up there, they don't want nothing to do with me. Yeah, no, but I think I want you to know that you are loved by so many up there and then it's in its people. I love Canadians.

They're awesome. I always said Canada has 20% less douchebags. Yeah. It's just very similar to what it's like here with the division. It's the same division. Same issues. Same bullshit. Yeah, stop it.

It's not just the same divisions and the same bullshit. That's true too, but it's also a ploy that's being used to separate ourselves while they enact more control. And that's what too, but that's also a ploy that's being used to separate ourselves while they enact more control. And that's what's scary. That's what's scary. It's like the underlying mechanism, like what's actually happening behind the scenes? Well, they're trying to clamp down

and control the population. That's scary. They're trying to clamp down and control the information the population gets. That's fucking scary. Yeah, as of- Because that doesn't ever come back. Once they get get that power they don't give it back to the people Yeah, never happens. So you had a fight to stop that from happening

Yeah, can't let them decide what you can and can't do because they're just people I mean there would be outrage in Canada if your show got banned if got can't it'll got got blocked because people Everybody watches your show. I mean, it's just it here, everybody watches your show, everybody loves your show. It would be outraged, it would be political suicide. It could happen though. It could happen, especially if there's some new COVID type thing happens and I have contrary experts on, I have people on that are like Robert Malone, the guy that they maligned and said it was a conspiracy theorist and that he was a, you know, a qualified expert to talk about the subject, even though

he's vaccine injured himself, even though he owns nine patents on the creation of mRNA vaccine technology. I mean, he's a legitimate scientist that worked on that technology. I think the Canadian public values freedom of expression and speech. Right, but the Canadian government doesn't. That's the problem. It's, again, they haven't passed that law. But the thing is, if they do, if they try to, and there's calls to do it right now in

America, there's also calls to do it from the World Health Organization to try to put a kibosh on any information that doesn't jive with what they're saying in the case of another situation, another pandemic or another, I mean, Google released that thing where they were saying that they had some new regulations that would be put in place in cases of a special event or anything of extreme social or political, like some thing where they're going to be able to stop air quotes, misinformation. That's fucking terrifying because oftentimes that information turns out to be correct.

I love your approach to it and your stand-up, your new stand-up is hilarious. I won't say it obviously, but it's's hilarious because it's very self-reflective too and I just thought it was just amazing because you're kind of, I won't say it, I don't want to say it because obviously you got your show coming up. But I thought it was even people that may think they disagree with you on some subjects probably are going to really find it quite pointed the way you address the issue in your stand-up set. I thought it was awesome, it was hilarious, yeah.

Thank you, thanks. Amazing. Well, it's obviously something on everybody's mind. It's just, we're in a weird pivotal moment where technology and our awareness of corruption is all meeting in this battleground in the middle of the fucking field like Braveheart like, that's what's scary. What's scary is these two things are

colliding and I don't know which one's gonna win because we could turn into a dictatorship. We could. We could turn into something that's closer to a dictatorship and then something that's closer still and continue to go down that line. Especially if there's some need to clamp down on society because something happened, whether it's a solar flare or whether it's a terrorist attack or whether it's just flat out war, it's all that we need. All that we need is some reason when they need to completely clamp down on your ability to express yourself,

platforms ability to distribute information that's contrary to what they're saying, any of those things, anything that they can do to stop that, to put a clamp down on people, like disrupting the narrative that they're trying to distribute. It's wild that COVID was essentially one of the catalysts that got me to leave the city. And it started with the van. I got the van and I'm out in the remote desert and I'm loving it out there. And I was my bug out van. I mean, I had probably could have survived in that van with a solar power battery system and my food. I'd freeze dried meals ready to eat, camping food, boil water and pour it in the bag and it was lasagna.

This was amazing. I could have probably spent months out there without even having to go anywhere. And you start to go, hey, this is kind of cool. I'm self-sufficient out here. I'm not 26 gallon know, I've got 26 gallon water. You didn't get lonely? Well, I would drive out to a cool place for three or four days and then I'd go to another location and then-

So you'd go and hang with people? No, I wasn't. I was just doing this sort of- Isolation. I was doing this, I was really actually kind of getting into videography again. I shot this video on Sony A7S III, but I started getting back into cameras. Right, but you weren't around any people? Well, I was...

When you went to cool places, did you go hang around people? No, no, I was just alone, yeah. And I was making these, it was just Charlie and I, we made this sort of, you know, film. How long did you go without being around any people? Well, because then I would go, uh... Because when you came here, the last time you did the podcast, I had the distinct impression of a man who just got rescued from an island. Yeah.

It was Tom Hanks. Yeah. You had the fucking volleyball. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You see him. It was like that, yeah. You seem a little manic. It was somewhat of a creative experiment mixed with real paranoia as well,

because I do sort of, I think sometimes, like I said, you know, I got testicular cancer. How the fuck did that happen to me? So I'm just like, OK, this is everything bad. If this is happening, it's going to be bad. So it's going to be bad to me. So I'm just going to. And then.

So how long did you go without being in contact with any other people? Well, so I still had my house in LA, so I hadn't sold my house yet, so I had this van. So I would drive out into the desert for a couple weeks and basically go on a camping trip, and then I'd go back home and then- Were you around people when you were back home?

So it was still that people would come over, we'd hang out outside. It was that kind of whole thing for the first few weeks or whatever, months. However mental, it was a couple of months. Was it like cover your mouth and then you don't run outside, hold your breath? Yeah, kind of, just hang outside for a couple of months, go to the dog park and see people there and stuff like that. It was that initial stage where, because you weren't in LA then, no.

So it was wild. I was in LA you weren't in LA then, no. So it was wild. I was in LA. Were you in LA at the beginning of COVID? Yeah. Oh, yeah, the first store. I moved during COVID. That's right, because I did come when you were showing LA

when it was at the beginning of COVID. Yeah, that's right. And the second time I came on your show was here. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Because remember how there were like, You're avoiding the question. Remember how there were military helicopters going over?

You're avoiding my question. How long military helicopters going over you're avoiding my question How long did you go without being around people? Maybe a couple months or something like that, you know how many months like well couples to a few is three or more Maybe it was three. Yeah, you sure it wasn't more Well, then I started doing the van thing so there was nobody where I was going anyway So I had an excuse, you know, right? I was on the van thing, so there was nobody where I was going anyway, so I had an excuse. Right. I was on the camping trip.

But still being with no people. How long were you with no people then? Yeah, I mean, it was a few months for sure. I'm not, I mean it wasn't- But all told, how many months do you think you spent of that year without being around people? Well, first of all, one thing that's interesting about it is I happened to be single at the time.

Are you a lawyer? The way you're answering these questions, you're like a goddamn lawyer. How long? Well, it is a bit embarrassing, I guess, to think that I was isolated. But I also found it kind of fun. Right. But how long? Like it was like it was about three or four months or something like that.

But then the van. You ran around people then too. No. But that was... That's isolation too. Yeah. But that was more like I was enjoying going out into nature by myself and making videos. But you were still by yourself with no people for how long you were doing it. But I'd go for a couple of weeks and I'd go back to LA and I'd be in LA and then...

And you'd be around people. I'd recharge a bit and be around people a little bit and then I'd go back out again. And then as things died down, as they did, you know, I started being around people like everybody else. I couldn't imagine going months without being around people. Well, the thing that was weird about it was I, you know, I'm not married. I was single. I didn't have a girlfriend at the time. So like I actually- No responsibility, true freedom.

That's what made it weird was I didn't, you know, I could imagine if I had a girlfriend at the time, we'd just say, okay, we're going to isolate together and now you're just with your significant other. Here I was, okay, I'm going to isolate and I don't have a significant other at the time. So it was like actually the first time where I've ever had this sort of self-imposed or whatever maybe was imposed on us or I took it as an opportunity to be by myself and go out and make videos in the desert and go to these really crazy remote places. And I would seek out places where there wasn't going to be other vans and other people.

But when you were out in the desert, a lot of times you'd go to somewhere and there'd be other people out in their vans and you'd hang out and have beers with people out in the desert and hang out. And then you'd go think of a more remote place. And I started discovering some amazing places like that, you know, the rabbit hole you go down when you, you know, COVID aside, isolation aside, just going out into the American Southwest in a camper van that's self-sufficient is pretty wild, the stuff that's out there. I mean, I think I probably talked about Chaco Canyon the last time I was here because I

think I'd just gone there in New Mexico, which is Pueblo Native American ruins of – it's essentially like a stone ruins of a city that was built in the year 875, 875. And it's like Machu Picchu level type city that they didn't even discover until the 1950s because it was buried and now they've, you know, and you're – and it's in this beautiful – it's on the Navajo Nation Reserve, you know, on the Navajo land. And you feel this sort of – I felt sort of somewhat shocked, I guess, that there's all this stuff out there that you don't really hear talked about constantly.

Like I hear about Machu Picchu, somebody brings that up once a week. Nobody's ever brought up. Who are you talking to? Brings up Machu Picchu once a week? I don't know. It just comes up a lot. People talk. It was probably you, I think.

You talk about the pyramids and stuff like that. I rarely talk about Machu Picchu. You talk about the pyramids a lot, right? Yeah, I talk about that a lot. The pyramids. Machu Picchu. You know, talk about the pyramids a lot, right? Yeah, I talk about the pyramids. Machu Picchu is pretty crazy. Talking about ancient cultures that have built these incredible structures, right? And right here in New Mexico, just up the row from here, like an 11-hour drive from

here, right? Just outside of Albuquerque, Navajo Nation, it's a huge canyon, completely empty, no one there. And so it's this realization that there was a civilization there that was... And they've studied this place quite extensively. In fact, Mike Judge from Beavis and Butthead, his father, Mike Judge grew up in New Mexico. I found this out after the fact. So I started looking up information about Chaco Canyon to try to learn a bit more about

it. And his father, James Judge, his name was one of the predominant researchers of this particular archaeological site, right? Oh, wow. And so he wrote this book about it and they dived, you know, he spent his life diving into details. Yeah. That's fucking cool.

Yeah. So I spent like, you know, a day there. And there was no one there with you? I was there with Charlie. Yeah. And- Just you and Charlie. Just me and Charlie. And I shot, I shot video. There's this video on my YouTube channel too. I was doing all this for my YouTube channel. I was really getting to the filmmaking side of it. You know, I had my drone. I was going out and filming stuff in all these- Isn't it crazy? You just allowed to walk around there? Yeah. It's wild. And see that bottom left?

See that sort of structure there? So that was a five-story building at one point. And you can go walking through there, and there's wood that they've used as beams that's still like within the – it's petrified wood or whatever. It's within the stone. And it's wood from the year 875 to 1100. It went like the people left there in 1100 because of a drought. Like they were gone before Columbus, right? See the wood there? That's from 8, you know, between 875 and 1175 whenever that

was particularly built. So, and this area, they've done all these studies of this area, so they know like, they found macaw feathers, speaking of my old pal Rex, they found macaw feathers there. Now macaws are from the furthest north as Yucatan Peninsula, Mexico. So they knew that people were coming from Yucatan Peninsula, Mexico,

up here to trade with them. And they found evidence of all these different things that sort of indicated that people were coming from as far north as Canada, as far south as South America to come to this area. And that whole Chaco Canyon area once you get in there is like this, I don't know, not to get all like voodoo about it, but when you talk – people talk about Sedona and there's the energy there, you feel this sort of – and it may be just because it's so beautiful and it's so quiet and it's this natural kind of amphitheater where it's silent

and the wind is dead and you're just all alone and you're walking through this structure. I share the fascination that you have for the pyramids. I want to go there someday. I think it would be – if I could snap my fingers right now and just be somewhere, it would be the pyramids. I'd like to go to the pyramids someday. I've never been there.

So here's me walking through it with my camera. And so you're walking through this by yourself and and you're just going like, wow, there was all this stuff going on here. And apparently they've determined this was like a meeting place for people from all over North America that would kind of come here and share information. They actually believe that there was a sort of almost like a festival type atmosphere that would happen there where people come and trade and share information and all this stuff. Is there – are there similar Native American construction sites like this?

Yeah. So then you go down this rabbit hole and you realize that they're all over the place. So then there's many of them. There's up in, these ones called the cliff dwellings, which are, that one there is actually, this one here is actually later. That's post-Columbian, this one. This was a Spanish, probably, I think this one's built around 1500. This was a- Similar constructions style. Yeah, exactly. It's amazing, right? When you look at it like oh, they were building stuff in 800 before

Europeans had come here using the same kind of building techniques as yeah And and it's weird when you're there you're touching it and it's like solid and you're going wow That's actually so they've got these cliff dwellings. There's lots of them where they've built into the the cliffs of Colorado yeah, those are cliff dwellings. I went to one of those ones. There's one that's called the Gila, or Gila National Forest. It's up in New Mexico. Yeah, it's right on the, yeah, it's up in the border.

It's up in New Mexico, I think, yeah. And that's a wild story there because it's a national park, you know? And... Wow, look at that, caves. So you go walk around there, and that one, there were a couple of people walking around, they drive down, there's a, you know, people walking around. Did they dig these caves, or these caves always exist?

They're natural caves that they've kind of sort of utilized as, you know, they built the walls up around the bottom of it. Yeah, they've done something to it, right? And so this place is wild. And the stories you pick up when you go to these places, because then you go down the rabbit hole, you start reading about it, and you go, wow, this is – I never knew about this.

They didn't just – no American had ever been there until the mid-1800s because it was Apache territory and if you went there, the Apache would kill you before 18 whatever it was. I forget the date, but it was like in the 1700s, early 1800s. Look at the writings on the walls. And this place, I haven't been to this place yet, but I want to go here. Oh, shit, man. Yeah. And yeah, I talk about like when you start thinking about, you know, UFOs and stuff,

you look at some of these petroglyphs and you go, what's that? There's a lot of petroglyphs out there too. What's that? That looks kind of like a spaceship or something, you know? But so that's honestly the real reason I was out there in the van by myself so long was because I got addicted to it. I mean, I was just, and that's actually kind of why I ended up moving. I was like, I love being out here alone by myself with my van and my camera so much. I want to live in the country again. And how'd you find the spot in Canada? Well, I got kind of lucky. I just kind of – I just honestly just started looking on the internet, you know, just like looking at real estate listings. And I started looking for a farm near my hometown.

And I just kept looking and searching every day. And I was lucky that it just kind of fell on my lap right at the right place, right time. My house sold in LA immediately. And I drove back and that place, I put in an offer and I got it. And it just all worked out. And it all worked out. And how long you been out there now? Be coming up on three years in July.

It looks like you're having fun. The videos of you online are very interesting. I'm like, look at Tom Green. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it. I'm living in the woods by himself. It's like, there's a lot to do that is stuff that falls outside of anything that would fall under the category of what I would consider to be work, right?

But it is work, but it's different work. It's like, I got to feed the chickens or we built a fence this year for the mule and the donkey. So it's this patent rail fence that is made out of cedar that is literally these 100-year-old cedar rail fences that are on the property that have fallen down in the woods and have gone by the not used anymore. And we went back with a fence builder. And everybody out there is in the country, this guy whose family is traditional fence builders whose grandfather built these fences.

We went salvaged all this wood and then built new fences out of them. Oh, that's cool. And so you kind of, you know, it's nice to find something to do that is, A, you're outside, you're getting exercise. And you feel like you're actually doing something. You feel like you're doing something. And it's the first time I've said this earlier, I'm never gonna leave this place.

Like it's the first time I've ever lived somewhere where I know I'm never gonna sell it and leave. So every step of my life, like everyone as you're growing up, you got your first apartment, you know, how long am I gonna be here? Till I move here? Right. How long am I gonna be here?? Tell me if you're going to be here. So now I'm just kind of like, now I just do my head, I have like, oh, I'd like to maybe

build a log cabin someday on the backwoods, you know, so that's sort of one thing I'm kind of like kind of thinking about how I want to build a log cabin, like the way the, you know, the house itself that I'm in was built in 1857 and it's a log house. So you can see the... Do you have photos of the house? There's... Yeah, there's... On my YouTube channel...

Do you have a video tour of the house? I haven't really... There's not a full tour, but I think if you can see some of the logs on the YouTube channel, I did a couple little sort of sample podcasts where you can see the wood in the background. That's fucking dope. This was last week. You live in a log house from the 1800s of the wood burning stove behind you. That's amazing.

Yeah. And it's interesting. So you start to realize, I'm doomsday prepping in the van. Like, oh, I could be self-sufficient in this van. Well, I also, and again, it's fun, but it's also kind of very functional. I have unlimited fuel, okay? Because there's wood falling in the forest forever, and every summer you can go out and I've got a wood splitter, right?

It's a gas-powered wood splitter, and you chain saw up the logs, you drop them in, the wood splitter splits them, and it's sort of an efficient way of getting firewood, basically. So they'll never run out of wood out there. The house has actually got propane sort of a furnace as well, so it runs on propane, and the propane truck comes every – there's no natural gas or anything running into the house to heat it, so you have a propane truck comes every couple of months and fills up this propane tank in the winter. But if shit hits the fan and the propane truck doesn't show up, I can still heat the house fully with wood.

There's two wood stoves. Do you have solar? I have solar. There's a solar system that was there actually that – but it doesn't actually connect it to the house, but it's connected to the grid, and it's actually selling energy back to the power company. But not to you? Not to me.

No, it's – What kind of scam is that? Well, it's paying me. It pays me. Yeah, I get paid. Pays you to not be self-sufficient, to not be connected to – Well, I know if shit hits the fan, I can unhook it and plug it into the lights. Yeah, yeah, I could, yeah.

Do you? And I actually know I have lots of solar though outside of that system. I have a, actually, you know, the van has solar panels on the roof and there's this. That's for electronics? It's for electronics, yeah. You can't really use solar for, I've learned all this from the van. So I work with these guys who've been really cool battle-born batteries they're called,

and they are make these batteries, lithium batteries, right? They make them for boats, they make them for now off-grid houses. And so I have like a couple of bunkies, you know, like the one I built and one that we kind of set up. It's like a prefabricated building that we put back in the woods with a wood stove in it and, you know, this trailer that I have solar panels on that butterfly out that I

can take anywhere on the property which has these battle-borne batteries in it. It's constantly charging. So I do have some solar and the barn as well. So the barn I have and these guys helped me set this up. It's constantly charging. So I do have some solar and the barn as well. So the barn I have, and these guys help me set this up. It's really cool. Like it's, I mean, I jokingly say the podcast that I'm going to do in the barn is going to be, I'm sure it isn't, but I'm saying it's the first solar

powered barn cast. Okay. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know if there's one. But it's like, because there's no, the barn has no power running to it. It's off grid. But we have, you. But it's like, because the barn has no power running to it, it's off grid.

But we have, you know, it's 200 yards from the house. But we've up in the loft, got this battery, lithium battery array, solar panels that charge the batteries. And then up in there, I can run all my cameras, lights, everything. Don't the batteries degrade on those things, like solar panels? So lithium batteries have a really good life to them. Right.

But they eventually degrade, right? Maybe 10 years or something like that, I'm not sure. But it's the, that's the lithium batteries, it's kind of newer tech. Like it's like, that was the thing that kind of, you know, when COVID happened, I want to get a van and go in the desert. So then I figured out who was making these vans. And then I found out about the battery systems. And then I was like, oh, like you just have a regular plug in the, plug in the van, you can plug in your camera and charge your camera batteries.

You can run your laptop, you can phone your, charge your phone indefinitely. And, you know, spending, you know, so many years of my life running around making goofy videos, you know, when we were doing the Tom Green show and stuff, you know, you'd go on the road and then you have to go back to the hotel at night to charge your camera batteries, the idea that you can go into the middle of desert and just film and definitely charge your camera batteries Because the Sun is recharging these batteries pretty dope. It was dope I built a recording studio in the van Making you know music and beats back out there and just kind of getting into it But so it's how long did it take before you felt comfortable around people again?

It was ready to get around people again pretty much uh... You know I was... I mean it's you know it's funny after I came on the show last time and we talked about this like there's a general perception in the world all of a sudden that I was living in my van. Okay. Which I wasn't actually living in my van. I might have been responsible for that perception.

No, it was hilarious. Like, oh, I heard you're living in a van now. People would say to me, I'm not going to living in a van, I'm going camping and making videos. But you were living in a van. Yeah, I was. You just had the ability to live in a very nice house. Exactly. I wasn't actually... It's not like you're a loser. No, it was so so you just had the ability to live in a very nice house. Exactly. I wasn't actually a loser

No, it was funny though. It was but but it was I mean I hope I I mean sometimes, you know, you think you are and you're going my loser But like people would sort of say it to me like they're sad like they were sad. Oh, I heard you're living in a van Yeah, could be like most people don't live in a van on purpose. Yeah, yeah, exactly So it was kind of like the Chris Farley sketch. I'm living in the van down by the river. And it was funny how, I mean, again, the power of social media and the size of your audience, you know, it permeated out there pretty big that like pretty much everybody I meet thinks

I'm living in a van down by the river now. Well, that's like how we describe Hans Kim. Hans Kim used to be living in a van. Look at him now. No one goes from Tom Green to live in a van unless things have gone horribly wrong except you. You did it on purpose. And it was really driven by the fact that this power system allows me to go make videos in weird places and stay there.

These places, Chaco Canyon, it's not easy to get there. It's easy enough. I mean, two and a half hours out of – no, maybe it was more than that out of Albuquerque. I forget the distance, but it was quite the drive. And you're driving through – it's not on a direct route to anything. And then once you get to the perimeter of it, really bad dirt road that you got to go down that's not maintained properly. I suspect that in some ways it almost feels suspicious that like do they want to keep people out of here for some

reason? Why is it not talked about more? I mean, I sort of discuss this a little bit on the video. Like it seems strange that it's not more celebrated by our society, that there's stuff out there like that. It's incredible and amazing and our society that there's stuff out there like that. It's incredible and amazing and beautiful. Why is everybody not... It doesn't have a good publicist. That's all it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because there's certain things that have... Like Machu Picchu. It's a great publicist. Yeah. I think it forces people to confront the idea that what happened to the Native Americans in this country too and in North American Canada. Well, not in that... We weren't that nice to them, were we? So it makes us have to think about what happened.

But you were just saying that that place was abandoned in the 1100s. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that has nothing to do with the Europeans. But just in general, just talking about pre-European, not now, right? But I think there was probably a period of time when they were settling Europeans, not just America, Canada too, settling North America where they didn't really want to acknowledge that there was civilization here before. It was more like they were... Trevor Burrus Eminent domain.

Yeah. Yeah, they were trying to claim it. Yeah, for sure. I think there's definitely that. There's a guilt attached to the way people feel about Native Americans and also the understanding of what a reservation is. You push them into this area that sucks and force them to live there and all of their traditional land is gone. It's all been absorbed by these people that just got here a couple hundred years ago, which was nuts. Yeah, it's so hard to imagine how different this place we're sitting in right now was just 200 years ago. Yeah, yeah

I mean they find these all over the place a friend of mine has. Oh man a ranch out here. Oh, wow That's a real Comanche arrowhead. That's a big one too. That's probably some something they used to shoot a large animal with Wow, that's Probably elk they had elk out here. They used to have elk were in like most states They had always a lot of deer out here a lot of different animals, but that's a big-ass arrow Yeah See and it's like because there's some small ones too that they find just find real tiny ones They might have used for like small game birds and things like that, but that's a big fucker.

See, I personally, the second I touched this, I felt sort of a sense of kind of shivers. Wild, right? Yeah, I feel like, and maybe it's my mind just thinking about the history of it, but there's, you know, people talk about energy and I was like, is it, is it, I wanna use see here people say when they go to Sedona the energy there's amazing I'm like what are you talking about the energy right, but then when you go to these places is it because you're just alone and you're

Relaxed and you're thinking about it so much, but it's like you touch this and you go I think somebody actually like carved this somebody made this and then they survived with this right however many thousand years ago or whatever And they whoa that's incredible Yeah, they napped that thing and made it sharp and they did all these crazy techniques that they had learned How to make these fucking things and then they hunted with it and did these people lived here forever? Until these Europeans just came in like a wave of locusts. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's the battery system allows the van and the self-sufficiency of it.

Because normally if you drove there, let's say you drive six hours to get somewhere, right? Right. And then the sun's going down and there's no hotels nearby. So you've got a camp and a tent or something, So then it's like not comfortable and you don't have, you don't have to. You're in your van. Yeah.

So now you can drive there and stay for a while. And then it's like a different. You just have to make sure you have gas and water. Yeah. It's a different experience because now you're waking up to the sunrise over that and making coffee by yourself. And looking at that. Thank God you didn't run into like the Manson family

or something out there. I had a few moments of... Did you? Wacky people? I had a few moments of, I don't know if they were wacky people, but your mind starts telling you that you gotta be careful.

Like there was a moment, there was a moment out in the desert where I was all alone out there and a truck, it was on the Mexican border, actually, and trucks coming from Mexico towards me. And there's signs out in the desert when you get to this. This was actually in the Arizona-Mexico border. It's this place called the Cabiza Prieta Wilderness Area, which is a decommissioned section

of the former Barrie F. Goldwater Air Force-based test range where they would test bombs in World War II, right? And it's like really beautiful, like the cactuses and the... You want a cigar? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I bet you that's a good one too. I'm sure it wouldn't be smoking some Swiffer sweets or something like that.

It's not a Century Sam or Philly's Blunt. What are they? It's a company called Foundation Cigars. They actually made us our own cigar. It's got a JRE logo on it. Nice. They're really good though. I was skeptical.

I was like, this company, but it's actually, my man Nick from Foundation really no cigars and the whole deal goes down to Niggerog. Is it lighter as well? Yes sir, you know how it works, push down on that black thing. Yeah, there you go. Damn, okay.

So what was the most sketchy of encounters while you were out there doing that van life? Well, you got it. You lit. What was the sketchiest? There was never anything where I actually was in danger, but there was the feeling of being in danger. So, well, actually, you might have been in danger. It was definitely a feeling of being in danger. So, well, actually, it might have been in danger. It was definitely a feeling of being in danger. So the van's coming up to you?

Yeah, it was like a truck. A truck. You're in the van. And there was like, you know, I could write it off in my head if I'm trying to be, you know, positive. They were hunters, but they, you know, they didn't necessarily look like hunters to me. They were not in hunting gear, but they all had guns. But they were rifles. They weren't necessarily look like hunters to me. They were not in hunting gear, but they all had guns. But they were rifles. They weren't assault rifles. They were hunting rifles.

And so they could have been hunting. There was four guys. And they were openly brandishing their rifles. No, they were sitting, all four of them. This is what was weird, four of them. They were probably hunters. They were probably going hunting. But they were sitting like this, and they were sitting like this, and their rifles were standing. They were probably hunters. They were probably going hunting. They were sitting like this and they were sitting like this and their rifles were standing.

They were holding the rifles like that. So I kind of assumed that they were going around looking for a deer or something like that. But it was, you know, when you're all alone out there and you see a truck coming towards you and there's no one around, no one's going to hear anything, you know, You got nervous. So I did get in the van and I locked the door and I'm in the van and I'm looking out of the van and they pulled up by the van and they're looking at my van and I see the guns in the van and I'm like, okay, this is- Are they speaking Spanish?

Well, they were, you know, they were, you know, whatever, 50 feet, 100 feet away. Do you hear any words at all? No, no. I was locked in the van, you know, hiding. I was hiding in the van. It just turned 50 years old. So they never got close to you? No, no.

Then they drove away. But there's this sort of, you know, five minutes of watching the truck get closer. And so you go to the Cabeza Prieta Wilderness area and it's along the Arizona-Mexico border and you know what the border's like. So, you know, there's a lot of's a lot of human trafficking and drug smuggling going on there and as well as immigration going on there and people coming across the border illegally and all this stuff. And so there was actually a sign when you drive in there that says, danger, human smuggling,

drug smuggling, do not travel alone. So I still go because I'm with Charlie, right? So I'm cool. But so I, you know, but the size, I got a picture of the size, which was kind of interesting, but it's also- Is that sign on your Instagram? Probably is. Y'all for sure it is. Yeah. If you scroll back to, if you scroll back to whatever that was three years ago, yeah. I want to say that.

Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah, danger, human smuggling, drug smuggling, do not travel alone, right? So I, of course, stupidly go out there and I'm camping out there for a week. But then you haven't seen anybody for five days, you know, and you're out there making videos and making, you know, ambient music, you know, drinking beer. I have a fridge in there, a nice fridge in the van too. So I've got beer, I've got, you know, some whiskey, I'm just having a good time out there, you know, making music by myself and streaming on, like, not always, but sometimes you'd have like internet, you know, so you'd stream, you know, that was sort of a connection with

the world, you know, just streaming live from the middle of fucking nowhere, the world's so crazy now, and making beats in the middle of nowhere. But yeah, so that was, you know, this moment where you're going like, well, maybe I shouldn't be here by myself. And that was actually what kind of – actually tell the story when I do stand up. So I'm trying not to make it a bit here because sometimes you know, I don't want to do my bit, but like I do kind of incorporate it into my standup sometimes because I tell stories about this stuff. But I ended up – it was what in sort of spawned – I mean, I went back to LA and

I bought a gun the next day. I didn't – I hadn't owned a gun since I was 21 years old. I had a 22 when I was like – or 24 years old, I had 22. Hadn't owned a gun the whole time I was 21 years old. I had a 22 when I was like 20 or 24 years old. I had a 22. Had no one to gun the whole time. It was in LA. But I was going out in the desert by myself feeling vulnerable by myself out there. So I went back to LA. I went to...

Especially see four dudes with rifles. Yeah. And so then I went back. Yeah, there it is. Caution. Illegal entry and drug smuggling activities are common within the refuge. Be aware of your surroundings, not travel alone or approach suspicious people or activities. Holy shit.

Yeah. US Fish and Wildlife Service. This is probably, yeah, Department of the Interior. It's probably Bureau of Land Management. Land is a lot of the land out there too. That's scary. And you realize how big it is. Like, you know, it's one thing, you know, you hear about, you know, in this close to

the cities where there's happening going. But when you go to these remote areas, right, and you're just, yeah, that's it. That was it. That was it. That was the week I was there. That was right when that happened. There's just nothing out there, huh? Yeah.

So I went back to Burbank, went down to Guns Plus and picked up a.357 Magnum and a Benelli Montefeltro Silver Shotgun and got my hunting license and went quail hunting. Why would you get a.357 mag double? I got the six shots. I got the seven shots. Oh, nice. Yeah, because I thought that would be better to have one more. No, honestly, I just, I honestly didn't really actually think about it.

No, I didn't. No, I did think about it. I just, I didn't honestly think that I would ever have to use it to be honest with you. I just like that gun. Oh. I just think it's a beautiful looking gun Well, it's better to have that gun than no gun. Yeah. Yeah, and I also thought honestly though Yeah, they actually have another answer to you because I was going to lots place with bears and so I figured it would be good protection For bears too because I was going up into like the you know places in New Mexico where there's bears Mm-hmm, and I would go hiking by myself, and I don't wanna lug a shotgun around with you

all the time, so I'd sometimes bring that in Arizona and stuff. That's smart. But also, I mean, it's honestly just kind of, I don't know, it's just beautiful gun. It is. Yes, it's a classic. Yeah, I love that gun.

Something about a revolver too. Yeah Once that wheel spin old timey style. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And there was sort of a sense of being out there on the on the range, you know, if I like classic looking Guns like I've now I have lever action. I've been collecting Henry rifle. I have a I have a new Henry 22 I've got a couple vintage. I got just picked up like I look getting sort of vintage I've just five or six rifles and I've just sort of found myself quite interested in it You know like got an old savage 99 You know 1970s 308, you know, it's like wood, you know the old guns wood on it, you know, it's like the wood, you know, the old guns, the wood on it, you know, it feels like real and it's all the newer stuff is more, you know, plastic and stuff.

A lot of carbon fiber. Yeah. Yeah. So I like them as wood. You gotta get your hunting up there. I would love to go. Eat your own food. I would love to go at some point with somebody that knows what they're doing.

I live with some friends that really want to take me out next year. So. Oh, go with them. Yeah. Local guys. Yeah, local guys, yeah. I bet you have a shit ton of deer up there, dude. There's a lot of deer at my place Yeah, you can see them you can see them on my trail cam video with the with the She will one deer you eat it for three months. Yeah, okay, feel the freezer fill the freezer with it one deer Yeah, you're eating it for months. Mm-hmm, you know shoot elk six months I see your elk on Instagram and I go,

man, that looks good. So much meat, so good too, so good for you. I give it away, I give it away to a lot of my friends. Yeah, it looks good. Such a good thing to have. There's not a lot of elk near me. There are elk, but they're rare. Like you don't see them in Ontario that much.

Do you hear them? Do you hear them ever in the September time? Moose, moose. You hear, bleh. Yeah, yeah. I've seen a moose once near my place, but deer all the September time? Moose. Moose. You hear booo. Yeah. I've seen a moose once near my place, but deer all the time.

They're everywhere. Well listen, Tom Green, I'm super excited that you're at the comedy club, the comedy mothership this weekend. It's an honor to be there, man. It's an honor to be there. It's always good to hang out with you and talk to you, and I can't thank you enough, because being on your show in 2007 really was a big part of the inspiration to do this. And I would say you were a pioneer, man.

You had figured it out before anybody. You had a full internet talk show running from your house. And when you had me as a guest on, it changed the course of my life. Because it really did. Because it really was like, I remember light bulbs just going off my head like, why don't I do this? I didn't have the money to do this.

So I started off with a laptop. It was like the idea came out of you, man. I just think it's the coolest thing that you shout that out and say that to me because I appreciate it because it's like, when you came to do the show, I was stoked that you were coming to do the show. That was you, I'm doing my little web show and you came up and did the show. We had done a couple things already, right?

Like we did that celebrity pool show. Remember that? Yeah. That was just kind of one of those. That was fun. Yeah, that was fun, yeah. And we did a bunch of stuff. I've always seen you around. There it is. Bro, it was fun. Yeah, and We just we did a bunch of stuff. I've always seen you around but there it is. Yeah, bro. It's like 2007. Yeah, we were drinking beer

Oh, yeah, this guy's got it nailed. Yeah, we're on the internet. This is incredible. I was so happy I was like this is how to do it. Look how bad the video was back then kid is drinking with us online You know it's fun about that is like so that's Skype. We're taking calls on Skype and You know what's fun about that is like so that's Skype we're taking calls on Skype and So we kind of I had some real good guys work working for me. I had you know, I had my Jamie there It was like really you didn't you never had a Jamie bitch. Yeah Yeah, he was sort of we were trying we were trying to build stuff, you know, so you know I said a whole server room. I remember walking to your server room going. This is crazy I feel like I'm at like some big corporation where all these lights are going off.

And I'm like, Thomas is wild. So there's a microwave antenna on the roof of the house. So that was the way we were able to stream. Because back then you had to get bonded T1 lines or something like that, which were expensive. Right? I had a little bit of monetization, not much. But you were working with a company out of Denver. Yeah.

They were kind of the first people that I saw streaming. So I was like, how does that work? So I called them and then, so we had a little, like a very small budget, but enough to get them. What happened to those guys? They just kind of, I don't know, not sure actually, I don't know, I'm not sure, but they were interesting guys. And so I basically started with them

and then I went off on my own and... Well listen, I'm glad you're gonna do another one because you're a very compelling and interesting person and you always have a really good perspective and you've led a fucking wild ass life and And I appreciate you. Thank you. Thanks for being here brother. Thanks. Thank you And I think the shows are all sold out this weekend. So I'm sure mother fuckers But sometimes even if the club does sell out we have have a sign, like a neon sign that's tickets available now.

What happens is sometimes people can't make it, babysitter cancels, who knows. But every now and then, even on sold out shows, there's tickets available. So if you go to the box office, maybe you get lucky. Okay. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Tom Green. You're the fucking man. Oh, Instagram.

What is it? Is it just Tom Green? Yeah, Tom Green Live? Yeah, go check out my YouTube channel, YouTube slash Tom Green. Put a lot of stuff up on there now, which is kind of a little, and then Tom Green on Instagram, Tom Green Live on Twitter and X. And yeah, that's all the spots, TikTok. And I'm shooting a special, actually, I'm shooting a special

for Amazon Prime, stand-up special. Nice. Where you doing that at? We're filming. Well, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna shoot it in Ottawa, but I'm also doing a tour in April. So I'm going through, I'm going to be in Cleveland, I'm going to be Lexington, Kentucky, Louisville, Detroit, all over Michigan, you know, Helium and Philly and a lot of the spots.

So you can go check out my tour and I'm going to film the whole tour too and I'm going to kind of cut it together into a bunch of nice stand up montage. So yeah, thanks. I'm excited. I'm excited to see this weekend okay