The Joe Rogan Experience - #2116 - Kevin James

Episode Date: March 8, 2024

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The Joe Rogan Experience Showing by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day Let's go shimmy Let's go shimmy Most people don't know about shimmy. They don't know about your alter ego No. Well, yeah, you were the one who brought it out of me. We were, right? Well, we would do shows. We would do shows in New York and you would go full shimmy.

I'd be on the side of the stage yelling out shimmy. Well, when we first started, by the way, we did the Joe Rogan experience 30 years ago. Yeah. Just hanging out. Just playing pool. I remember Susman brought you into town. You started at Nix? Was it Nix? I started at Stitches in Boston.

Stitches. And then I was like two years in when I met you and then I think we met at East Side, which was awesome. What a great club. What a great club. What a great club. I was just there. Shout out to Richie Manavini. Yes, my man.

It was the greatest, the greatest place to go. I remember it would be a line around the block, two shows on a Wednesday night. It was insane comedy then. The Golden Age of Comedy at the time, 1990. Yes. Oh my god, it was incredible back then, 91-ish. I started at 89. I think I met you in, what is time, 1990? Yes. Oh my God, it was incredible back then, 91-ish. I started at 89.

I think I met you in, what is it, 90? 91 maybe? 90, 91? Yeah, somewhere in there. And I was, you know, I was following everybody. That was my thing. Like, I was being a stand-up comedian with the, you know, the jacket sleeves pushed up and the bullow tie.

Do you know what I'm talking about? I was just that straight thing there and you came into town and we were like, who is this dude? Like, you just didn't care about anything. And it was like, you always remain the same. And it was just incredible to watch. We were like, whoa, he just doesn't care. And that's what you were, you would work with me on that. You would be like, brother, you can't be like you're handing out a platter of food for these people like do what you want to do And I was like I just gotta get good. Yeah, I gotta wrap my head around that you're right, you know

I Would just try to make the audience so happy you're like stop it stop it and you gotta let go and you'd get me going crazy All fired up there. I'd be like yelling to people. They'd be like, whoa. It's like, why don't we bring it back a little bit? But it was different, man. It really was. It really taught me to, most of all, to be comfortable in front of audience and not care about them. I literally battled with it to this day, that anxiety of, oh gosh, I get nervous and I start overthinking things. So but it really helped me to say, like, just do what you do. And it's almost like the, because the audience is like a dog, right?

They sense fear. You know, they sense. 100%. Yeah. They're animals. Yeah. Just like we are. All animals.

That's right. And it's like, they know when, you know, and if you're comfortable, even if you're faking it, they'll go with you, you do a joke and you're confident. They'll laugh just because they think it's funny. You know, they look around and everybody's like, oh, it must be funny, because he's just got confidence by it. And you had that confidence always, man.

You're always insanely intense and just never look back. And way to go, man. Way to go for you too. You just always needed a hype man. You just need someone to let you go. Like, give him the green light. Give him the green light. It's so funny.

You're right. You're right. Yeah, you just needed a hype man. You were the one who did it for me in Montreal too. Yeah. Do you remember that? Yeah. Go on this, please.

By the way, do you remember the beer we would drink? There were two kinds of this beer. I can't remember this Canadian beer. I've been racking my brain to think about it. It was like a gold version of it and like an amber. And it was just the greatest stuff when we get fired up up there and I loved it, man. I loved going to that Montreal Cominifest. Oh, it was the best.

Back when it was, I think it's gone under. I think they did just announce they're going bankrupt. Oh, really? Yeah, unfortunately. See, well, she'd tell people what it was so what it was during our time Didn't when we were young was the Montreal Comedy Festival was where young comedians would go up and you could kind of get a deal And that's where you got the deal to do the King Queens Well, I got the deal do NBC. Right. And then that turned in. Yeah, once that failed, that went into CBS. But once you get in, the thing about people should know, like

in the 90s, there was this thing that was happening where everybody looked at a comedian like this could be the next Roseanne, this could be the next Tim Allen, this could be the next Seinfeld. So every time they looked at you, they're like, what do you got? What do you got for me? And the agents would try to put it together as a sitcom. And they had this showcase called the Montreal Comedy Festival, the Just For Laugh's Comedy Festival. And it was the most insane thing. You would go there and it would change your life. You could have one set, one 15-minute set, and all of a sudden you got a half a million dollars.

100%. You have one thing, one set that pops and people talking about, there's a buzz. And it's like, you're in, you're set. And they have bidding wars. Yes. So like CBS would be, Fox would be, they would all be throwing in and you know, there's guys that walk, do you remember Chicken? Chicken was the crazy guy? Yes.

Yes. Chicken got the deal that killed the deal. Yes. Yes. He got like 800,000 or something, or some some crazy money or I don't know what it was. Some nutty amount of money. But he had no act, right? It was after that they thought he was...

He just tricked everybody. He did. And I don't know how he did it and I wonder if he had a hype man, if he could have kept tricking people. Yeah. Maybe he just went off the rails with anxiety when success starts. Because that's one of the things that does happen. And I've talked about it, I think everybody admits it.

When it first starts happening, you think it's gonna go away. You get super anxiety ridden. You feel like an imposter. And you can't, you'd show up on the set and you're like, are they kicking me out? Like, I'm still here? My bud, I'm telling you, I still deal with that. I'm not even kidding. You obviously don don't and you haven't I do though

Do you really? Yeah, I do. I just ignore it. I told the shut the fuck up Well, that's what you got to do I guess and that's what I don't do enough because I started thinking and I get thing and I start overthinking both sides I'm like, oh gosh, what if this happens or this that this means something to this day Yeah, like if I'm doing like a theater and it's my people, and I know that they're coming to pay to see me, I'm pretty confident. I feel like I'm gonna do well.

But if I do a club that they don't know me or something, like I did a corporate gig like a month ago, like in Miami. And I was like, oh boy, corporate gigs, you know they can go either way and it's... They could be horrible. Well, I get there. It's in Miami. Really good looking people.

Everybody, it's in a lobby of a hotel and I'm like, I thought this was in the theater. I'm there and it's a good... And now I'm getting worried. I'm like, I gotta do... How much? And they're like, you gotta do an hour. And then I find out nobody there wants to see me. The woman who was the CEO of this company was – it was her birthday and she liked

me, so she brought me in for all her friends to see, dude, I'm sitting in the lobby and I'm finding all this information out as I'm sitting there and I started – I'm not kidding. I started – I've never had a panic attack. I start going, what do you mean? Nobody else knows I'm here or this or that or they don't know. They go, no, no, no. They don't know this is a company. And I'm looking in the room.

It's in the lobby. I can see through a little glass window and they're drinking, they're having, they're talking a worst setup for comedy too. Just round tables, booths, not even facing you. And I see a postage stamp of a stage that I gotta stand on. And I'm like, oh my gosh, so I start hyperventilating. I go, which I was going. So I start going, I can't do this.

I'm talking to Skylar, my assistant buddy. He's helping me out here. And I'm like, hey, just tell them we can't do it. He's like, what are you talking about? I go, just tell them, we're gonna give them the money back. We're just not gonna do it. We don't need to do this. I don't wanna do it.

It's just not gonna go well. I started really panicking. and then they started going up, she's up on stage now, introducing me, and I go, oh my gosh, we're going, oh my gosh. So I start freaking out, heart is going, exactly. You've been doing comedy for 30 years, I've been doing stand-up, I go, I don't need this, I'm ready to call Susie and go,

I don't wanna do this anymore, I don't wanna do it. I get up there and go, I go, just get him with that first joke. If you do, you settle it, because if you don't, you know if they don't buy you on that first joke. You're fucked. You're gone. You're fucked.

You're gone for an hour. For an hour, you're gone. Oh gosh, and they're not even listening, and they're loud when they bring me up. And when I came up, it wasn't even like they all turned and went nuts, but I got them, I don't know what I said. I just said one joke about the lady thanking me, You know, thanking for bringing it up. And I just won them over in one little sweet way. And they turned and they clapped and they laughed at one thing.

And then I went into another joke very gingerly, just kind of going to the set. And they laughed at that. And I go, okay, I just settled in. I go, I got them. And they were great. They were great. They were really great. And I was sweating the whole time. I really feel on the sweat, you know, I'm saying it was like it was it was it was rough But uh, that's so nerve-wracking. Oh, glad it worked out great But I hated but I just ran into Sandler when I missed you at the airport I ran into Sandler. He was just telling me about the fucking worst corporate gig that he just Yeah, I called him about he had the same thing. He had the same thing, so it's nice to see somebody like that as it too. Yeah, a guy like him can still eat dick. I talked to Billy Joel and he says, literally he was like,

I've gone through those. I'm like, you, but when you're playing music, it's different. Yeah, but they'll throw that Saudi money out. Yeah. He threw crazy money at him and he did a corporate gig or whatever it was and he says they weren't even listening They turned away and it's like just you in the band and you just go let's go boys You know and they play Dana White had a 40th birthday party and Stone Temple pilots played and It was insane these dudes played like it was a packed arena Where it was at a fucking conference room in a hotel somewhere. They didn't care. They didn't give a fuck. They had a beautiful stage set up, the stage was set up nice.

But like, you know, all of a sudden they were like, hey everybody, Stone Temple Pilots. And then they fucking, I am, I am, I am. They just went and, yeah. I was so impressed by his ability to perform I mean there's like it took a while for people to even filter to the dance floor in front of them and Watch the show this dude did it like there was 50,000 people out there. It was incredible I mean he didn't back off at all. He who cares less has more power. It's literally like that's it

It's I'm going around with a tree. Yeah,, like you guys funny He's like I don't care He didn't give a fuck and everybody jumps in full commitment, you know when someone just fully commits to something like that It's very inspiring and you'll you'll never forget that Because if you never see anybody fully commit, that's why you never see great comics ever That exists where there's no other great comics the best comic in the world never comes out of Tallahassee right out of nowhere No scene we all need to see other people do something special And if you're lucky you live in New York or you live in LA or now you live in Texas and you get to see these Killers all the time. Yeah, and then you get a sense of it

So you know like where the watermark is right until you see a guy jump in front of a fucking 40th birthday party Who's a platinum selling artist in this insane band? It's iconic and perform like they're performing in front of a re had the bullhorn and everything it was incredible It was incredible. The show was amazing. Wow. It was so good But it was like that fucking guy worked for his money like he he he doesn't he didn't have like a I'll give him a Seven tonight, right give him an eight every night. Yeah, the air it was playing. It's like guns blazing That's the way you got to be man. I gotta I gotta do it I need a hype man. I'm doing a two different guys. I am you know me

You know me if I'm left to my own devices. I am. You know me. You know me. You know me. If I'm left to my own devices, I go into a little hole. I do. It's my whole life. Everything. Sports. Yeah. Everything. But this is the thing.

Like I have, I'm playing my first arena coming up and I'm freaking out. I've never done that before. Are you doing it in the round? No. That's the way to do it. You know why? Well, it's a little late for that. This is, it's okay. You'll still have a great time

They're still great. The arenas are great. They're fun. It's a wild experience But the round is the best because it's actually intimate in the strangest way I don't the way the fair yeah facing everybody. Yes, so all the people see each other and they're all in it together I love that. I love that idea, but does the stage does it turn? No, you walk around I used to do the one you know the Westbury music fair Oh, it walks it's been for you and you wouldn't even know where the hell you are and then you have to walk off Walk off you don't know where they are Everybody shifted you don't know who you're looking at you have to get it find some distinctive person in the audience

It's it's market that big guy is my marker. Yeah, the one in Phoenix spins around too. What's that the celebrity theater? Turn it on or off. Yeah, that's a good one too. That's a cuz it's a comedy club, but it's in the round Right like a 2000 seat comedy club in the round. That's what it's like. I would feel guilty like Half the crowd is looking, you know, I'd be thinking now, I got another thing to think about. They've seen my ass for the last 40 minutes. I got to spend it. And do you set up a joke over here and deliver the punchline there, or how do you break it up?

Well, you have giant screens. So the thing about the arena is they have massive screens. So if for some reason, we did these ones in Ohio and Chappelle came down, and it was very interesting to watch watch because they didn't know he was supposed to be there and it was my show and Tony didn't know whether he's gonna bring Dave up or me because Dave hadn't gotten there yet. Oh, wow And so it's like Tony's on stage and he's got like five minutes before he should go on stage and all sudden Dave rolls up posse

Fucking this is a guy doesn't overthink things. He don't need the hype man. He just strolled in. Yeah. And he just came to say hi and he's always like, should I go up? I go, what do you mean should you go up? I go, go up, let's go. He goes, when?

I go, you'll be up in five minutes. He goes, well let's have a drink. So we had a drink and then we're sitting in the green room I go, dude, he's got about one minute to go. I go, I'll walk out there with you. Because he needs to know that it's not me, that he's bringing up Dave. So he starts bringing me up. This is one of my best friends, one of my favorite.

And then I'm flashing the light, and he sees Dave. And the crowd slowly starts to realize it's Dave. When they see me and Dave walk to the stage, and by the time he says Ohio's own Dave Chappelle, it is one full minute of a standing ovation. One full minute. So he takes this victory lap around the stage for like one, I mean a full minute man.

It was, I filmed it. I put it up on my Instagram. It's insane. It's inspiring. I mean Tony, we're just looking at each other and looking around going, wow. It just felt special. It's felt like special that you could be there like, wow. And then he goes, oh goes oh h and he puts the

mic out it was insane it was insane it was so fucking cool cuz he's from Ohio right you know he lives in in yellow Springs it's like right outside of Dayton so it's like for him to go there like that and but to be in the round so the round as everybody sees everybody Yes, it's not just you facing this crowd and then you're in the crowd there there in the round It seems like everyone's all in this together. It's so much better way. Yeah, and the screens are giant So you just walk around but like when Dave was facing that way. I'd see his face on the screen You just it's not bad, it's still awesome, because you're there.

And everybody just kinda walks around. You just get used to walking around. Nobody really stands still in points in one direction, in a arena in the round, that'll be rude. Well the screens help, I mean that is true. Oh, it's massive, they're everywhere, they're giant. 50 feet wide, they're fuckin' everywhere. So it makes it easy.

It's an experience I would love to be in there. I think I'm in Denver and in Salt Lake City where I'm worried about this my first arena Is that you're gonna have fun? You just it's gonna a fight. Oh my god. I mean, you literally can't even hear him bring up Dave Chappelle. Look at this. Look at this That's insane insane

No No It's like it was like I felt like we're seeing the Beatles I Felt like it was like Hendricks got on stage well done for you bringing him up before you I mean that's insane It was awesome. That's incredible. It was so fun But that's the thing it's like but I do that all the time, you know when I'm at the club Mm-hmm. I'll have five six guys are going on in front of me. They're all headliners I'm doing that's why I'm going on stage an hour and a half into the show I would again my theaters. I'd be comfortable your club. I would be afraid

I'd be afraid because you got such heavy hitters and I come up and I'm talking about weird little observational stuff and it's like whoa. It would get in my head, it would. No, there's got a lot of weird observational comedians killed there. It's a fun place. Like Duncan kills there.

And you know, it's all just, it's all great. It's all a bunch of different, but for me, it's like to have, I want the audience audience see like the best possible show they could see so they're gonna see Ron White Shane Gillis and Tony Hinchcliffe and Brian Simpson And that's insane and all these monsters that come into town like in any given week It's Krista Stefano or fucking Dave Smith or it's like there's so many killers how how often during the week are you there and how often like Are guys working out their stuff there? nights week seven nights seven nights week two shows each night in each room except for

Mondays and Sundays which are open mic lines so open mic night There's a show in the small rooms only one show, but then there's at least one show in the main room that's regular show, regular comedians. Wow. That's incredible. Yeah, and it's two shows a night in each room, so four shows a night. How big are each room? One's 250 and one's about 110 to 120. Is there, you feel a difference? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the little one's super intimate.

The little one is like If you remember the belly room at the comedy store It's like the belly room in the original room had a baby and that's the little one Wow, it's like medium-sized little and then the big room is like the Original room and the main room at the comedy store had a baby That's what it's like and you when you're trying stuff, people going up there with like no pads and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, Christina Pazitzki does it all the time. She goes up with a notepad.

A lot of guys go up with no pads. Yeah, it's like if you got some new shit you're working on, Seger's, he goes up with no pads. If you have new shit. Right. Because you want to be able to remember, you don't want to fuck up the bit. And the audience kind of appreciates like,

oh, this is so new. They feel that it's the look at it. Yeah, it's not polished. And then Brian Simpson hosts this show called Bottom of the Barrel and that's a really fun show where you go up there and you have no material and you just reach into this whiskey barrel and there's a bunch of different premises that the audience members have written down and you pull it out, you open it up. And you do a bit on that?

Yeah, you just start talking shit. Yeah. But the audience knows that's what you're doing. So because they know what you're doing, it's really shit. Yeah. But the audience knows that's what you're doing. So because they know what you're doing, it's really fun. They're not expecting polished material. Everybody knows what the show is. The show is fucking around. And maybe... If I was to go there and do my act, I would pretend like I pulled that out of the whiskey bottle first, the barrel. Did you ever notice?

Oh, man. Yeah. But you can, like, if you have a bit on a subject and you just tell them I actually have a bit on the subject and then you could do it right you know and there's also like sometimes there's like there's the other night there's something that I've been writing that I've never done on stage before and just by sheer coincidence the same subject was something that I pulled out of the piece of paper are you kidding yeah? Yeah, so it was like, oh, it was robot fuck dolls. Right.

Which is like, you know, you can see something coming. I have a whole chunk on that. I just, I got, now I'm gonna throw it away because you're working on it. I don't want to. But it was one of those moments where I was like, oh, like last night, I spent two hours writing stuff on this. Right. So let's just run with it here, see what happens.

Have you ever had a dick, because they must go nuts when they see you, right? Yeah. And then, because back on Long Island, I'll work at a little club like governors, you know, I don't know if you remember that. Oh yeah, governor's in Levitown. Yeah, and I'll go out there and I'm hometown boy,

and I go up there and they go nuts for like a minute or something, not like that, but like they go crazy, it's fun to see you. And then within two minutes, if I don't, like they're ordering sausage rolls and it's like they're talking and it's like putting weight on the bar. It's like, I'm like, whoa. Yeah. Well, New York audiences too, they don't have much patience for bullshit.

It's a good place to start comedy. New York and Boston both. Good place to start comedy because people don't have any patience for bullshit. Yeah, we're happy to see you, but come with the jokes. Let's go. Come on. I'm here to laugh. I do a lot of writing while I have a tour, like if I have a tour in the theaters where I'll try to, if I have a set theme set, I'll try to add some stuff in there for the next one. Have you done that? Do you ever?

Yeah. Yeah. When you're doing a lot of shows, it's great. Yeah. Because you kind of get a sense of where you can stick stuff in and you start to sing. You always have the safety net of, I can go here if it's going nowhere. Yeah. Yeah.

Because that's my problem. That's what I do too. I'll write a huge chunk on something and won't know when the bail on it if it's not going like you you know It's dependent on this thing I got to follow through with it now and if you're not in they don't buy in right away I'm like wow I got three more minutes of this stuff oftentimes. I realize it's because I didn't buy in right That's what it is mostly with me if I'm in entering a bit I'm not committed or you want to be talking about this. I wish I shouldn't didn't bring this one up

Like if I ever get to that place Like you just have to fight off that thought there's this thought that comes in your mind like oh How did I bring this up? I don't want to do this bit you can't but you can't say you know what fuck that bit Yeah, because then the audience would be like what? Yes. Yes. So you just have to never let yourself get to the mindset Where you're like, I don't want to do this you got to remember There were there was something whatever the subject is there was something about that subject that when you initially Started writing a joke about it. It was resonating right and you were like what the fuck is this right? But if you hear it too many times, it's like anything else you get tired of it

You it loses its luster, but that's just a mental weakness You just have to realize, just get your head wrapped around that you can't allow yourself to think that way. And surely this thought originally was valid because that's why you're so excited about it, that's why you wrote a bit about it. The audience doesn't know that you've said it a hundred times over the last year or more. They just want to hear it. So they want to hear it from fresh eyes. So you have to put yourself in fresh eyes. You have to be able to do that, and that's the trick.

And it's not like you're faking it either. You have to actually really be thinking about it like you think about it. If you want it to work at the best, like when a bit is really sharp, you have to be thinking about it as you're like enthusiastically, as you could be actually engaged with each part of it while it's happening. Well, when I write a new bit, and if I write a big chunk and it's too much, I'll go up with

too much stuff, and I didn't rehearse it like, because words are so efficient. You'd say one word or you're repeating a word, it stumbles you up and then you're like, you know, and then it kind of blows it for this, the next part of the bit. So it's like, I gotta work more at like really rehearsing my bits, you know, just really getting through how I'm gonna speak, you know, because I stumble all the time. Well, the problem is then you start thinking about it, you know, and with new bits, they're just not etched into your brain yet So as you go up with them, you know, they're like a little Bambi walking on ice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah It's but that's what like small shows are good for that's what fucking around was good for right and that's what also is like That's when it's really important that you're inspired by whatever this idea is if I'm inspired by the idea

I can always talk about it. Like if there's a thing that I can get behind where I'll go, you explain this to me and then if I'm in that mindset, I can make it happen. But I just can never let myself not be interested in what I'm talking about. That's a problem that people have and then I've had and it's just, but you have to recognize that it's like throwing a toaster in a bathtub. Well, what I'm trying to do now is because I used to write just, it was just separate jokes, joke, joke, joke, joke here.

And every time I would bring up a new subject, it was like the audience is starting from scratch again to try to catch up and it's exhausting to try to understand. So if I try to put it in a story or like a theme to my set, at least they kind of know what's happening before. So they know, oh, this is, you know, you tend to do these type of things. And then you talk about something like that, they go with you.

It's like you're not starting a, you know, it's easy to, what is it, push a moving car? Momentum, exactly. And that's been working better for me. Because I, you know, I saw everything was like, just isolated bits of jokes that I would put, you know, and I'd go, I just put them in anywhere, put a lazy connective tissue to it, you know,

and it would be like, it would work, you get to laugh, but it's like, there's no, you know, building. That's how I always admired guys like Stephen Wright, who do those non sequiturs. I'm like, how do you do that? And how do you write? Right. God, that's going to be so hard to write.

Who's the guy? He's such a great... Mitch Hedberg? Yes. Same thing. Yeah, same thing. So great. Non sequiturs.

Yeah, amazing. And you were with him every... Yeah. And that's what made it even funnier. You know, it's like, Who does that now? Are there any non sequitur guys that just go joke to, I guess Jimmy Carr is kind of non sequitur. But some guys just, they're just one bit to the next. Yeah.

One subject to the next. And with Mitch Hedberg, it was always like super ridiculous. Like, and, and Stephen Wright, same thing. Everything was really ridiculous. And that became something that actually elevated it, right? Yeah. I mean, like, they weren't storytellers, you know. Right.

It was part of the fun. So out of it, yeah. Yeah, that this guy was like... Out of nowhere. Somebody asked me, do I want a frozen banana? I said no, but I want a regular banana later, so yes. He's the best. What a fucking great joke. He's the best. Oh oh he was amazing man oh that was a

guy like he just didn't want to kick heroin yeah they were trying to get him to kick heroin he's like uh-uh I like it is that what he just he liked it he just wasn't gonna kick it he it was hospitalized while we were on the man show and Doug Stan Hope and he and Mitch were very close and I you know I admired him deeply as comedian he said he was a great comic man and that was when he was I think he was hospitalized with gangrene yeah because he was shooting it you know allegedly it's um Heroin is a scary one because it seems to touch this part of people that makes them Very creative and very like it resonates with people like so much music. That's great. It's made on heroin

But what a curse what a curse when you someone who gets caught in the opiate web, it's so terrifying. It's so sad to see. Yeah. And when you have someone who's just like this, I mean, imagine the kind of bits that Mitch Hedberg could have come up with over all these decades after that.

What a talent. Yeah. And he was all non sequitur. It was all one bit, it leads into the next bit double tree hotel I love it. Yeah, I love that humor man. Just he was amazing. Yeah, he was he was it's just um you know That guy had a hard time in the beginning because people didn't know what he was doing So he would go on after like these high energy like music acts Yeah guys would sing songs and shit and they'd have like a dirty rap and

Yeah, and it'd be different like that and yeah, and you're in the middle of Ohio or right? And so they're not used to that and they want the song and they don't know who you are You're just the headliner. Oh, he's on evening on evening at the improv okay and then they go to see you they really didn't know they just said oh look MTV half hour comedy already must be good and then they go right local comedy club because it's a thing to do on a Friday night but when they don't know you say it like that's one thing that is you know made it a little bit easier is when people are coming to see you and they know you as opposed to who's this next guy? And it's kind of like just make me laugh.

Way, way, way easier. But also comes with a trap because the laugh at stuff that's not that good. We've all seen guys who only perform for their crowds only in big places. Like they only do theaters, only do their crowds only. That big places like they only do theaters only do their crowds only like that act can get soft.

Yeah. They can get soft and still work. Right. Because they're not being tested. They're not performed with other comics all the time. Well you see a lot of these guys now that are developing an act because they did something on like Instagram or whatever they develop these audiences that you know they get popular Yeah, and then they put together an act they go and they then the clubs are like well, let's put this guy up

you know yeah, and They sell out like crazy because you know they got a big following Yeah, but it's not like working your standup man. It's a different game. Well. There's also a lot of guys who do crowd control Man, it's a different game. Well, there's also a lot of guys who do crowd control. Like, they do crowd work stuff. Like, it's like just fucking around with the crowd, and that's most of these clips. You're seeing a lot of guys who put up clips of cloud work,

because that way they don't have to crowd work, because you don't have to burn your material. Just talking to the crowd, you just talk to them. It's fine. That can go bad. It can go bad, but if you do it enough and you get some funny moments, like, Andrew Schultz has a lot of great moments. He's fine. That can go bad. It can go bad, but if you do it enough and you get some funny moments, like, Andrew Schultz has a lot of great moments.

He's really good at it. And you take those clips and that way you're putting shit up, but you're not burning any of your jokes. The problem is some of those guys can only do that. Schultz has a great comic. Like, he could do great bits. He could do great... I mean, he can do anything.

But some of these guys are only good at talking to the audience. And then when they have to do, did you ever notice, everybody's like whoa. Let's this. The audience can feel the shift. When I go back to my own material, like oh, you wrote this. Yeah, what is this whack ass bullshit you've been thinking about all day. You know, you're better off responding.

Like there's certain guys that like their thing is really just talking to the crowd. And that's a different thing. It's a great thing. It's really great when someone's funny at it, but it's also a different thing than the actual jokes. See, I fear that. Like, I don't like doing that. Like, so I've built my act with the speed of it that it like, no one has the chance to

get in and ask a question or hack a little or anything you know you build this shell around you so like it's just not enough time you can't even get it in so if someone says something it's like you're off them quick you know exactly I don't want to have to depend on doing that going what and stopping and then trying to get back to the bit that you were you know doing yeah that you don't need that some people like it some people like to interact with the crowd it just's also it's extra juice, right? The audience realizes it's happening live. It's real, it is, yeah. This is crazy. And then if you get good one-liners, you know, in the moment.

It's a great tool to have. I wish I could, you know, it depended on them. Do you talk to the crowd at all? I do. Occasionally you have to. And then at the comedy store you had to the comedy store you had to the comedy store for the Longest time had zero crowd control they do a good job now of policing the room But back then there was it was comics that were the door people It was comics that seeded people was the comics that took the the money at the cash register It's comics working there and they were all like they didn't want to do that job So they were the worst bouncers right and nobody ever quieted the audience

It was just you need to learn how to do it in the fire tough enough that way like you you build a you you Understand how to go with the flow right you know and some but some people don't do that And they did not like the comedy store for that reason like they just go up there And they like to have a slow pace and do their bits and build. That's me. That's more me. I would have been I was always afraid of the comedy store. It's just when you go up like if you know something like Adam Egett is who's brilliant at scheduling and really understands talent and where people go you just want to put them in the right place. You don't want to put them after a music act. Right.

You know, like, that's the death. That is absolute death. The death is the guy who has the funny songs. Right. You're not following that. You just see the guitar in the back and the guys tuning it up and you're like, oh no. When is he on? And he's like, he's on next. Then you're up. Then, you know, it's like, no. No. No, the guy with the guitar always ruined the show.

They always killed. They would kill and you could follow him. Yep. You know, no, no the guy with the guitar always ruined the show They would kill and you could follow him. Yep. Yeah, I use a galax rap anybody could do a rap remember red Johnny in the round Guy. Oh, yeah, those guys would do that rap. You're done. It was the show was over bit see them go you I'm getting in my car. I'm leaving. I'll see you I go I'm not there's no need for me to be here. It's crazy how like a song or a funny song tops everything. Yeah. Who is that guy that used to be on Dr. Demento? There was that guy that used to have dirty songs back in the day and he was famous. He would tour around with dirty songs.

John Valby? Yes. Thank you. Yes. That guy. Remember that guy? Dr. Dirty. Dr. Dirty. That's right. You would light up a room.

You would light up a room. You're not going on after him. No. It's over. And everybody knew who he was. And you would hear his songs on Dr. Demento. Remember late night on the radio, you would hear his songs? Yeah. He would tour and do just dirty blow job songs.

And everybody would go, Raaaaaahhhh. that guy had a business man. And I'm going up there talking about puppies afterwards. Hey, you guys ever, you ever lose your keys? And you're searching. This guy's talking about getting a blowjob while you're taking a shit.

He was just like, but he had that following of people that would just come to see just those songs So they would hear the same songs over and over again. I loved it, right? Yes. That's another thing Yes, like dice had that like dice could always do the rhymes and the audience wanted to hear those rhymes. What's in the bow, bitch? Oh You don't have to write as much it's great, right? You know, you know, but you're gonna get bored like, you know you know is it you ever see that kinnison song about the beach boys kinnison bit kinnison had a bit about the beach boys about like you know imagine them 35 years later singing the song same fucking song like not want to

be there anymore yeah that is just not the same experience it's tough yeah yeah you want you want to be able to do new stuff the new stuff is scary, but It's so exciting. I mean I found like it's I Never really worked my act like one when I started doing the show and Getting involved with that my stand up the writing and all that I would still go to like Vegas with Ray to do it on a weekend, but I wasn't working my stuff. I wasn't a comedian.

You know what I'm saying? You got to really, you know, and I felt that, you know, you're delivering the same act year after year, kind of changing here a little bit here and there, and then you're going out and doing it. And it was like, it was bothering me so much. I hated my act. I couldn't stand doing it anymore and didn't have time to write that much. So like a few years back, I just stopped and said,

I love stand up so much. Like I just want to start and really get into it. And I tell you, it's the great- How much time did you take off of it? I wasn't really off. It was just like I would keep it going, but just doing shows, no writing. Like I really wasn't writing for years, years.

Just doing this. Yeah. I mean, if something funny hit me, I would write it down, but not working it, not writing. It's so hard when you're doing a television show. You know, when I was doing news radio, I fell into a real, like a spot over a period at least a year where I wasn't writing at all. I didn't do any new jokes. I had the same tired ass jokes.

You were, we, I remember jumping in your Supra and heading to the comedy store like you would go up a lot you would still do things there no yeah but that maybe that was a different time that was when I snuck out of it okay so there was a there was a period when I first moved there in like 94 where we were working like 16 hours a day and I was tired all the time and I would just show up at the club and do my set and then go and I was just doing it because I was still a comic. Yeah. That's what I felt like I was doing. In my head I was always like they're gonna realize I'm not an actor I'm gonna

get fired this is this is the last TV show I ever worked I almost got fired from the first show I ever got was on right where I was a star of the show. Hardball? Yeah I almost got fired from the first show I ever got was on. Right. It was where I was the star of the show. Hardball? Yeah, I almost got fired from that. I remember that one. Because I was getting an argument with the producer.

They hired some new producer and he wrote these terrible lines. I was like, this is insane. Like, this is so bad, it's insane. And they were going to fire me. You didn't start like it, man. I was like, this is great. Well, the thing is, the guys who wrote the original show were brilliant.

They wrote for Married with Children. they wrote for the Simpsons right and Jeff Martin and Kevin Curran and when they had their show the pilot was their show like Jim Brewer was the mascot I remember that it was fun. Yeah, Mike star from good. Yes was in it I mean it was a Bruce Greenwood the guy that went on to be in the Star Trek movies. He's the guy's been in everything. He was in hardball. I remember, I go to your tapings, man. It was so much fun. They were gonna fire me because I was like, this is terrible. I love that you did it.

So they hired a new producer. The new producer came in and took over and turned it into like the sloppiest, most obvious, terrible sitcom. Like that prototypical sitcom where you watch and you go just got to get out of the room the jokes are so goddamn obvious and they wanted firing him but it was between me and him and so it literally got down to this thing where my you know they're calling my agent saying this kid is ruining his career and I was like oh no I'm ruining my career so I always thought that eventually they're gonna figure out out that I've not built for

this. This is not my thing. And so when I would show up on the set of news radio, it was like at any moment in time they're going to figure out that I'm not supposed to be here. But we were working- No, because you didn't want to though. I thought you were funny as hell in that stuff. You just didn't like it.

You didn't- Insecure didn't have any experience about actors actors didn't know how to hang around with them. I was so used to comics Right, so for me it was like fighters and then comics, right? So just crazy people. Yeah, it's just only around crazy people So I was around normal people or people that were like really Sensitive like really really, like sensitive on purpose, like where they're trying to be offended by things. That's to calm people and you know when we get into that.

Oh, it was exhausting. That's hilarious. It was exhausting. And you'd always hear about tyrants. You'd always hear about like the Brett Butler's and the people that would scream and throw coffee in the face of the writers. News radio was that bad? Like those guys were were oh, there's none of that right no school

No, that was a party did the writers were great. It was totally different kind of experience right, but Was my point my point was it what was my point? You were saying that thought I was gonna get fired Yeah, you wasn't it wasn't for you you thought they're gonna find you out Oh, so I had to just do stand up just to prove that I was still a comic because I remember one point time the producer of news Radio said to me it was like why are you still doing stand-up? You're an actor now. Oh No, I was like, oh no, I gotta get out of here. I was like I was literally thinking like changing like a changing you it's a trap and then I

They're changing you. They're changing you. They're changing you. It's a trap. And then I had one really bad set one night in front of one of the producers and one of the writers. Fucking eight shit or whatever this door, like late at night at like 1 a.m. in the main room and just had a terrible set, just bombed. And then I really got to work after that.

Then I realized, like, oh, I've been slacking off. That's what I realized, oh, I've been slacking off. That's what I felt, man. I've been slacking off because I've been working 16-hour days and I use it as an excuse to not write. And then from then on, everything got way better, way better. My stand-up, I dialed it in much more. How do you write? Are you the guy sitting down?

I sit down in front of a computer and I just write. I don't write like this is exactly how I'm going to say it. I just like spill my thoughts out because I feel like it takes me a lot longer to write the words than it does for me to think about things. So the more time that I'm actually just writing the words, it's extra time thinking about the things we kind of like to watch. Do you speak into a computer? Do you talk it?

No. I just type. Really? Yeah, I type. And I just, whatever the subject is, I'll, like, there's just one subject that I'm doing right now where I've written it, written about the subject four times. So I start a whole new Microsoft Word file four times and just completely revisit it. Just one more time. What program are you using? Because I'm nuts with that. Just one more time. Let's look at this one. What program are you using?

Because I'm not with that. Just Word. Use Word? I just use Microsoft Word. And I go into there's focus mode. Have you seen focus mode? Yeah. So I used to use it.

It blocks everything else out. Yeah. I used to use Right Room. I'll still use Right Room. I did Scrivener. I use Scrivener. Yeah. But I'll find one thing about it.

And then I'll go, I don't like this, that it sets my bits up this way, or I can't do this, or I can't transfer that. And then I'll spend the whole day looking up for apps, for the perfect app. And I'm not right. Yeah, you just dragged yourself. Of course, of course. Yeah, yeah, I try to avoid that. But Scrivner, what I do at Scrivner is I make each individual bit, once I have it kind of

boiled down, then I put it in the columns. So, the way Scrivener set up, you know, whatever the subject is. I love Scrivener. The only thing it didn't do, it didn't transfer to my phone or the other, you know, when I'm at a gig and I wanted to look it up quick, you have to go to like a drop box or like that, you know.

And it was like, it was annoying. I go, I can't, I need it right away. Yeah. That's where notes on iPhone is the best. The best. The problem with notes, you ready for this? I got them all. Yeah. You can't categorize.

You can't, it either goes alphabetical. So if you have your bits, I like seeing my bits on the side where I go, okay, I'm working on this and be able to move them anywhere you want. You can't. Right. Cause it'll fall into that. That kind of screws me up. That's true that you can't keep it in order.

That's the only thing about it. And then I'm off that one and I'm looking five more hours I'm looking for other right because if you have a folder in your notes And then you open up that folder and edit any one of those things Any one of those subject changes it'll move to the top. Yes, because that's the newest one now. Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah That's not that's That should be an option. Somebody should make a, just stand up for one of those things. I would love it. I would love it.

Yeah, most comics don't use them. Most comics just write things down. Like you ever see Mark Norman's stack? No. It's crazy. He's got a stack like a fucking, like a phone book, like that thick of index cards and napkins that he keeps in his pocket. And's so crazy like you try to read it You like it's literally like an insane person. Yeah, you're like cuz

Eligible yeah, and there's no order to them. There's just stacks. I mean he might how many how many to have in his pocket 150 Easy easy 200 200 index cards. Where do you... In his pocket. How do you go... Here's what I'm going to do tonight. Card 167 to 1... No, it's a...

How do you do it? It's a window into the madness that is the brilliance of his comedy. It's just all... I remember Richard Lewis would throw out, I mean, like, there'd be a piano up there, and he threw out like a scroll of like, it was like just, you know know legal pads of paper and say like crazy stuff all over set it all up and it's like he was nuts he was nuts with that yeah that was also part of his thing right there's Normans look at Norman Stack look at that look at that what yeah

I'm worried about back But you can get a bad back from that a lot of like sitting on a fat wallet exactly That's bad drivers if they have too much shit in their wallet. You'll you'll have a little bit of a lean I could get a bulge in your back. I could never do it. I don't even know what. I need to have it organized. Yeah, it's just. Yeah, you were always an organized guy, like even back in the day. I have to be.

I admire that. I think that's a very important thing that some comics feel like they don't have to do, and you don't have to do it. Some of the greats don't write anything down. Don't get me wrong. But I feel like when I write, if I just physically write, there's jokes that I will get that I won't get if I don't physically write. And

not a few of them, like a lot of them. Like some of my best bits ever came from sitting down and writing. Do you find if you write the bit out physically, write it out that you will remember it better too? Or at night? By hand. Yeah. If you write it by hand, you remember it better. That's might hand yeah if you write it by hand you remember better that's proven so if I do an arena I got this from you by the way I got this from you because I'm not doing it I need to know this is this is what I got from you because I didn't have a rider because I'm lazy so when I would go do

theaters they would just use Kevin James rider so when I would because we're because we're on the same manager, yes, we're the same manager. I was like, what's Jimmy eating? Right. Did you see that? Yeah, it was like all normal stuff. And like whatever, like maybe I added whiskey to it or whatever it was. But one thing you had was index cards. And sharpies.

I was like, oh, that's a great idea. So every time I do an arena now, I set up index cards and I will get there an hour early and write out all my bits Write out all like the the the key points of the bits all the things I want to talk about and set that there and then next bit set that there and so I have this coffee table And I've got all these things that index why don't you do a prom later or something like that? You don't want to do a prom no, no, no, no no no I don't need that I'm fine once I once I write it all out I'm in doing it every night I know every night it's like I just like to do that as an extra little detail just an extra little just just really

dotting all your eyes and crossing all your teeth so I feel good when I I don't know if it's I'm losing my memory you know know, whatever, but it's like, I need to, I need bullet points up there. It's, it- Let me get you some of this. Do you take any... Oh boy, you have to... The utropics? I take nothing.

Okay, this is what you're gonna get. I'm gonna give you this. Just take this one and I'll get you some more. I'll send you some more. That's alpha brain. That's uh, on it's... I'm really feeling it. That's the black label alpha brain.

That is the top of the food chain alpha brain, the strongest one. Am I gonna see unicorns? No, no, no, no, no, no. It just, it helps memory. It's really good for memory. And it's really good for focus. It just, it gives you like a little extra juice mentally. Now, if you're a moron, you're not gonna notice it.

Like, I try all these fucking shit, bullshit. Snake and whale. Trust me, as someone who makes a living using his brain, there's certain things that you can take that are not bad for you, that are just nutrients, that enhance brain function. You know what another one is? Creatine.

Creatine. Creatine's okay. It's okay to do that? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Creatine's very safe. Creatine's one of the safest supplements. It's also- What does that do though? It gives you it's well it adds water to your body Your body has more water and that's one of the functions of it

And it's one of the reasons why me it makes your muscles look bigger it makes you stronger It really does work as a like a fitness supplement like is it like if you're training and lifting weights creatine is one of the Very best things you could take creatine I would say beta alanine. That's another one, but I got it I got to give you this thing that Wideman gave me these herbal pills Completely natural. He gave me we're playing golf in I figure we're in Atlanta or whatever it was with DC Cormier was there. It was just the three of us went out and I was you know I get up in the morning. My back is killing me my everything my joints are hurting I I

Get to the course, you know you walk around hills up and down all day You know I'm like I'm gonna be so gone in this thing and Wyburn says take a couple of these You know pills you as I got these things are completely herbal and you know what is it? It's Ashwa got like it's I don't know but it's with the key with this stuff is I said what why did you know? Because he gave it to me and he says just do me a favor mark right now where you feel how you feel how you join I feel horrible my knees are killing the ankle everything. I feel everything my back you swing in a golf club. That's it's brutal so he goes and just take three and tell me how you feel in

That's brutal. So he goes, and just take three and tell me how you feel in a few hours or whatever it was. And I forgot about it. And around the ninth hole, I swear, around the turn, it's a couple hours later, I'm going, I feel amazing for somebody. Like all the joints, you know, like the jujitsu finger thing when you get it, when you first come back and it's like, oh, I had all that joint pain and it was gone.

I was literally pummeling with DC. I'm like, come on, let's go. I feel amazing. I go, it's the pills. I go, this is insane. I go, can you give me, and DC tried them too. And DC said, I haven't wrestled in a long time. He goes, he tried them.

He goes, I love, like, I want to know, I know nothing. I go, I'm trying to figure out this is a placebo effect or what it was. He gave it to me again. Same thing. Felt amazing. So... So, I'd have those on his Instagram? Can we find out what that stuff is?

I want to... Literally, I don't go into business, but I want in on this thing. Whatever it is. Dude, I'm going to give you... I have some. Try it. Three of some. Yes, just try it.

Just mark how you feel if you have any pain. Okay. Because if you have any pain. Because if you go, ah, I felt nothing. It might be the case. But these things, I did it a few times and they ran out of them. He couldn't get them and then they got them again. Everybody has given to them. How long before they make that illegal?

Whatever it is. I know. They just made BPC 157 illegal. I know. It's the way I'm telling you. I'm out of shape now. It is literally the only thing that gets me up and I'm like whoa, I could I could work out I could do it really I took on my Again, I want to know what's in there

Yeah, I'll find out from him It's all natural stuff, but the thing about it is speeds natural to you know, I don't know it's all coming from earth I know but these natural the the key what they said in these things is like the guy throws out, like, because when you get, even if you get ashwagandha, the active ingredient in it, well, you know, like, once it's got people selling it anyway, and it's like dust, it's like crap in there, he doesn't use, he throws out like 70% of the stuff he said. And I was like, I don't know, I don't care what it is. I just want it.

I want to give it to my family because I wanted to feel better. You know, I'm just an older guy, you know. Yeah. You got to help me with that work. I'm telling you, I am literally right now, I feel like I am on the cusp of either, you know, being that athletic guy, you know, go back into where, you know, I get in shape like crazy

or I'm wearing cardigan sweaters and literally, you know, grandpa? Well, just get a trainer. I'm doing a documentary right now. Yeah. And I started it in January. I'm assembling the best guys like I got. Dolce is going to help me out with this thing.

He's awesome. We already did one. We already did a documentary. I did it on, it was called Cheat Day where I thought you could work out like six days a week and just have one day to eat what you want and just do it that way. And I had Dolce come in and be in it with me and work me out and do it. And he kept going, you're not going to be able to do this. And I go, why? Because your one day is gonna destroy everything. And he said, and I remember this,

he goes, you can't outwork a bad diet. And he was right. It was like, I would crush it so hard. Like, people don't know what I can eat. Like, you know what I'm saying? You know, like, when people go on the foodie, you know, it's like, you have no idea how much I can

crush food and that one day would just destroy it for the rest. Yeah. The food thing is you can't outrun a bad diet. You just can't. You can't. It's the best phrase. It's real. That's where it all comes from.

It all comes from food and we're all addicted to food. And it's the craziest thing if you're addicted to food because You have to eat it. It's not like heroin. That's right. You're addicted to heroin like oh, I've got a heroin problem I'm gonna take a little bit of heroin right now. You're gonna go full bore again. You're gonna be fucked It's like it's one of the very few things where you're addicted to it And you got to not be addicted to it anymore, but yet you still need to eat it. Well, I That's crazy That's a crazy conundrum. And most people's minds can't really process that. That's right.

And I can't, I just, I can't, because he's given me the diets, Dolce, you know, just this, this, and this, and this, you know, it's formula, it's very simple. I mean, by the way, does every, who would need some, another grown man to tell you what to eat? You know by now. Right. You know what to eat you know by right you know Seriously, you know It's anything we're working out. You don't know move your body Whatever it is do you know what to do you may not know the intricate stuff of like split squats and this and that work this thing

and but General health, you know what I got to move my body more eat better foods less process We know it yet man. I can't that's's what this documentary I'm doing about. It's like, why I have access to the greatest guys. Why can't I still do it? It's like, and part of it is I need the Goggins, you know, the thing. Yeah, I need a hype man. You do. You need someone around you who is also doing it. Well, that's it. It's community. I don't have that. It's like, when I'm with Dolce, if we're on a movie together, or producer, he's got me in shape.

He's given me the meals. When I'm my own captain, homeboy, I'm gone. I'm just gone. You know, one thing that you can try that I guarantee will help you lose weight is the carnivore diet. Because if you do it, the one thing that you're gonna not eat is any carbohydrates. You're only gonna eat meat. And if you cut out all bread, all pasta, all sugar, all bullshit, I'm not saying this

is a great diet, I'm not saying this is the way to live. I'm saying this is the best way for me to eat. I've done every other kind of diet. This one works the best for me. And it's the one that keeps me lean. Because when you eat in just protein, your body hits a satiety level. If you're just eating steak, just steak.

Your body will hit a level and you go, this is all I need. And then you won't want to eat more. But if I'm in that same mind space, and there's a steak there, but it's naked next to mashed potatoes with gravy, a bowl of pasta, ice cream. Then I'm going to keep going, and I'm going to get another 7,000 calories.

I'm going to keep going. But if I just eat the steak, then my body starts processing ketones. I start instead of using carbohydrates. I'm only eating protein and fats. Your body goes into like a ketogenic state. You think better, gives you an extra gear with thinking. The ketogenic thing is, I mean, that for me is worked. It's because Dolce and I will hate me for saying like, he's like, you know, when they

say blueberry, you know, carbs, he's like, carbs are fine for you, like the right carbs. There's nothing wrong with carbs Right fuel for your body right what I'm saying is if you're trying to lose weight One of the best ways to regulate your appetite is a carnivore diet because you don't overeat with it But I think it's deeper than that for me. I think it's mental. I think it's like anything will work I fasted that or you know, I've done everything, you know, it all works for a while, but why am I this size now? You know, every time I'm like, you know, just recently I started to stop comparing myself

to other people and trying to, like, just say, get better than yourself yesterday. Literally that concept for me works. It's like, when I'm in there, because he'll give me workouts Dolce to do too, and I can't do I don't do him I can't do the reps four sets of 16th. I get so bored by myself like I start doing my own stuff I'll do eclectic stuff great stuff on a treadmill all movement stuff like I love it Just throwing punches doing things, but I walk around and then there's no way to measure it though Because the next day I'm not doing that I'm what you know

So it's like I'm the guy who walks up to the bag hits the bag a couple times then walks out look at this thing I got I have every piece of equipment in in my gym. I do if you if you saw my gym You go the rock live here. You know literally it's like they see me and they like what are you doing? It's like I buy everything because I buy into it. I'm like, because it's a little piece of hope. That's what it is. Right, right, a treadmill is a little piece of hope. It's a hope, a new thing. Like I got the Jacob's Ladder, I go, oh, it's great.

It's jujitsu, you're grabbing the ring, this is great. It's functional. Yeah, it's collecting dust is what it's doing. It really, because I don't use it. So I need something, that's what this thing is. What can get me, because I am like most people I'm telling you it you don't need a lot of stuff But you need something to engage yourself every day There's got to be a bridge between what the Goggins the way and people who do nothing like yeah

You got to get that like you I saw you were doing this with the other comedians which I love You know, it's like where you go. I just wanted to walk or just getting down there get that is so important man because like if you can get Into that groove you do feel better like that's what blows my mind I've gotten in shape a couple times and I'm like I don't need to eat anymore crap. I don't I love the working I love the way I feel and then it slides right back what happens Let's end it's one of the things about you that makes you really funny is your indulgent. You're just a wild dude who's like trying to stay buttoned up. It's like part of what's really funny about you.

Right. And that indulgence, it goes into other things. And for you, it's food. Right. You know? Luckily, it's not gambling or something like really crazy. Right. You know?

But I don't, I quit things too. Like I feel like I have the same almost intensity that you have but I'm not a finisher like I don't really anything we started jujitsu did we start at the same time yeah yeah Beverly Hills jujitsu right you were the one brought me down there yeah I'm a blue belt and and barely 30 you know, it's like Don't say it's like cuz I start stop. I don't you know, I'm gonna say and that's in my head I'm like if I would have done what Joe did man. Look where I could have been and

I you know, I'm trying to you know Why and now I start comparing like you can do it now you do that and I if I play that game I'm done because I can never catch up to yeah Well, a lot of it's like learned behavior patterns. You just get stuck in. And if you're unlucky, you can get a bad behavior pattern or constantly quitting things. But if you're lucky, I got very lucky that when I was 15, I got obsessed with martial arts.

Because that was the first thing I ever did in my life where I didn't think I was a loser anymore I was like I Realized that if you work really hard at something and you're completely obsessed with something it could transform your life So my my life from the time I was 15 to the time I was 18 I was a different human from 14 15. I was insecure. I was a different human. From 14, 15, I was insecure, I'd get bad social anxiety, we moved around a lot, I'd get picked on a lot, and I went from that to being completely confident,

and being just a different human being. I was fighting all the time. It wasn't like, to me, the fear of conflict was pretty much gone, because I was just engaging in conflict all over the country. I was flying around my whole high school all my time. So I got in my head that the way to feel better and to get life to improve is to just fucking dig in and keep going and don't ever quit don't fucking quit so great But I got lucky that that's something that I fell into when I was 15. I often think about

You know, there was one day dude one day when I was coming home from a baseball game where I walked up the stairs We're getting ready to ride the tee which is like the Boston subway And we're getting ready to ride the tee but the line after the the baseball game was like really long There's so many people that were on the tee so we just for a goof walked up the stairs to see this Taekwondo school and As we're walking up the stairs this guy John Lee who was a national champion at the time is preparing for the World Cup And he was like 28 years old, he was in his prime, and he was kicking this bag,

and as I was going up the stairs, I was hearing, whoomp! And then the sound of a chain, like, shh-chink! Whoomp! Shh-chink! And I went up and watched this guy kick the bag, and I was like,

what the fuck is that? Tongue-Po, and kick-walking when he was kicking the pole? Yeah. Yeah. And I was just, I was like, I want to learn how to do that right and I was there the next day I signed up. I had enough money to pay for the class. I signed up and I was there every day from then on I was there every day. I mean every day. I worked out every day of the week I worked out Sunday. I worked out every day. I never took time off. I was there for hours every day. I just eat food, go there, and it'll be starving by the time I left, and then head home and

go back again. That's your bless, brother, because you have something that most people don't have that. They don't have that. Like, you have everybody who has the intensity in the beginning, you know, when they see something like, I want to do this, I want to say, I do, like everything, I get all pumped up. I'm like, this is it. This is all I want to do. And then it's like, you don't want to suffer. You don't want to put the, you know, the work in. That's the difference between we are, we both love jujitsu. Well, to love something, you got to, you got to know it. You have to know it, right? You can't love something you don't know. Well, I love it, but you know what I don't love?

Obviously I don't love the mornings, getting the geek, cold Gion, you know, there's things about getting in with a, you know what I'm saying, getting on the mats, they're sweaty, they've been there since like five o'clock in the morning. I gotta travel to do it. It's gonna hurt, these guys are coming after me, you know, it's like, you know, you're in there

and I'm nervous and my way, so I stop, like I get back into it. I'll let it go for a while. You do. You go through that. And you overcome those little things. And it's like, that's how you grow. It's like, I get right up to the edge of it.

And then I'm like, ah. So I don't love it as much. It's like, you have to, you have to, you commit. You have to suffer. You have to suffer. That's the only way you're going to show your love for anything is you got to suffer for it. There's got to be that.

You've overcome that. Otherwise, you don't. You died, you know. You have two people, everybody has two people inside of them. Everybody has the person inside of them that wants to go to sleep. The person inside of them that wants to quit. That guy's winning winning by the way. That's the guy who's you see before you right now.

And the other guy that's like, no, this is what you need to do. But the problem is with a lot of people that other guy that's like, no, that's what you need to do, that person's really timid. And that person, they just, well maybe it'd be better if we just went for a run. I shut the fuck up, I'm gonna eat chips right and that That timid version of you is what you need to cultivate into being like the boss, right? That's the boss. So I have a boss. My boss is that voice. Yes, I let that voice win every time I love it that voice says shut the fuck up and get in the cold water. That's that's dying to yourself man

That's literally saying I'm not gonna go where I'm comfortable. I'm gonna you know, I'd much rather do this I'm sure you you know much rather do something than jump in a cold plunge every morning You know get a cup of coffee and go hang out and talk, you know You do that and that's something I need to do more and more. Like we all do. It's like, it's the only way you're gonna embrace it and get better at things. I'm trying, literally we're flying. Like I used to, I drive everywhere these gigs and it was getting so much that I'm like,

I'm afraid of flying, but I'm like, I gotta just die to myself, just do this, have faith. You're gonna be fine, just do it. And each time you do it, you're like, all right, we did it. And you have a bad flight and you're like, I'm not gonna do it again, but it's like, you know what I'm saying. You just gotta give the boss some strength. Yes.

And the boss has to win a bunch of battles. And when the boss wins a bunch of battles, and he wins them every day, then eventually the boss becomes a louder voice. And then you get it to the point where the boss gets to tell you what to do and you don't deviate. And even though you have all those feelings, every time I lift the lid on the coal plunge,

I'm like, let's not do this. Every time. But the boss is like, shut the fuck up. The boss gets mad if those voices pop up. So I'll make you do an extra minute, bitch. Get the fuck in there. I love it. And there's two pieces of advice I always give comics.

Or just young men in general Aspire to be the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid Yeah, just be that person yeah instead of pretending to be that person become that person right become a person that you would admire You can do it's possible to do if you can pretend to be that person You can actually be that person can pretend to be that person, you can actually be that person. Right. Aspire to be that person. And then the second one is, live your life like a documentary crew is following you around. Live your life like, is if you wanted the whole world to go, wow, that guy's really killing it. Like, I love the way that guy handles things. And then you're not gonna, you're gonna fail. You're gonna fuck up, you're a human.

Everyone's gonna fall into a, like, God, I'm a little loser, I am. Just go back with the same ethic. Get back into it with the same mindset. Live your life like a documentary crew is following you around everywhere. How would you wanna be seen? Who will be that person?

Actually be that person. Become that person. You can become that person It's fine. We're doing that now and it's like I've we started in January and I'm I've I think I might have went up four pounds I don't even know it's like, you know because I've go down and then it's like but you're right You're right, and we want to I'm gonna show it all you know because that's what it is. It's the struggle It's the process dude. You just need a hype man if we're neighbors Oh, buddy. By the way, I love Austin. I'm coming here. I want, I would be here every day.

Fucking move here. Move here. The club's always very available. You'll have fun. Great place to work out. Come here to my gym. We can work out together. Oh man. Come on, we got a beautiful gym here. Dude, I think I'm just gonna rip my kids out of school. We're going, let's just do it. It's great here, man. It is amazing.

It really is great here. The people are so friendly. The way they treat like freedom here is like a religion. Freedom is a different thing in Texas. They are not interested in controlling your, you know, what you buy and where you go and what you do in your land. You can own a zebra. They don't give a fuck. There's more wild tigers or there's more tigers actual tigers in captivity in private collections in Texas than there are of all of the wild of the world That's insane Well, you just told me I need Zbras and tigers I drove by a place the other day that had giraffes.

People have giraffes. You can have whatever the fuck you want. If it's your land, they just leave you alone. They're like, there's your land. You do whatever you want, you know? And the comedy here they love, it's booming. I got my beard trimmed at a place just yesterday, and they were talking about the mothership.

Like they go, and it's great this that It's a whole different vibe here and everybody's great and I'm like really and he was like oh, yeah Well, this is the first time in our lives where a scene emerged There was kind of a little bit of a scene here in Austin There was a few clubs a few comics some good comics came into Austin for sure Mm-hmm, but there was no real scene where a bunch of assassins lived in town. And now there's like Shane Gillis lives here, Duncan Trussell lives here, Tom Segura lives here, Christina Pizitzki lives here, Tony Hinchcliffe lives here, David Lucas lives here. It's like, holy shit, Brian Simpson

lives here, Tim Dillon lives here, he's got a house. He's got multiple houses. He lives everywhere But there's so many killers here. It's just every night you go to that club and it's just packed with great comedy You know what it is? I'm telling you it's community. Yeah, I don't have that like like when I'm I have it in You know Little bursts when I'm with people on a movie set or whatever it is, but it's like I don't have that in my everyday life. I need that. I think I really think that's a big thing.

I really, because I need the hype man. I need, but I need to be in that group where you just start doing it. I did one training camp with Wyman and those guys earlier on with Aljo and these guys and you know I just jumped in with them and it's like I was with them for a few weeks three weeks you know and then I had to go out but it was like you develop this brotherhood yes it was so much fun it was you know going through everything you eat together you're running sprints together and I was like whoa this is really really cool that's what that's one of the great things about fight teams, especially like Sarah Longo.

It's like those guys are so tight. They're all friends. They're all friends. They're all friends. And they got so many killers there. Oh my gosh. Jesus Christ. Aljo, Marab, Chris, one of them.

Marab, this is the funniest thing ever. I came my first day on the camp, whatever, and they were sparring in the octagon. And I had my headgear on and everybody's pairing off with everybody. You know, they just in the wide end goes You know what and long goes setting it up Just you guys go with you guys everybody and switch it around this net and I was like worried cuz I don't want to go You know, he's getting that get in there mix it up. I'm going I'm not even a fighter I'm I can't do this. You know, whatever I got in there Everybody else Aljo knows me, you know, you know, guys know me. Marabh thinks I'm a fat old fighter. Like, he thinks he doesn't know

anything. I get the headgear on, he doesn't recognize me as an actor. And he starts going, he starts dancing around, I'm going, whoa, I know right away he doesn't, he doesn't know I'm not, you know, I'm an outside guy. He thinks I'm a guy in a camp. And he just starts going crazy. And I go, oh my God. And I'm trying to hold punches. And this guy's moving around like crazy on me. And I'm like, I'm looking for a wide man. And it was amazing. He was the sweetest guy ever. But I got lit up by him.

And to say, I take it off, I go, I'm an actor, man. That guy does not get tired. Nothing. He's wild to watch. Do you see him with Henry Sohoot-o? He's got Henry Sohoot-o picked up over his shoulders. And he's talking. And he walks him over towards Mark Zuckerberg. It's Henry Sohootto picked up over his shoulders and he's talking and he walks him over towards Mark Zuckerberg

It's Henry Sohootto. That's an Olympic gold medalist and you're carrying him around like he's a kid enough schoolyard Who fucked up it's a different breed. Oh, man. He's an animal. Marab is an animal in the sweetest guy once You know, yeah, he was really best best I love that dude and everybody loves him. Yeah the response he gets from the audience. Yeah, people love him His last speech was so ridiculous. Oh, he let he wins. He just gets so fired up. Oh, he's amazing Then they fucking love Mara man. They love look at that. Look at him. That's Henry. So who though dude? You have to understand how crazy it is that he's carrying around that guy on his back. Like that guy. With a smile. Yeah, I mean.

Two division UFC champion, he won the flyweight medal, or the flyweight belt, and he won the bantamweight belt, and Marab is literally toying with him. He's smiling and carrying him. I mean, that is so wild to see. That was one of the most shocking things. I mean, I've seen a lot of shocking things, people getting knocked out. I've seen a lot of things. To see someone treat Henry Sahudo like that, carry him around like that, laughing with a smile on his face, I was like, oh.

Now I can say I spar with that guy. There you go. But yeah, that camaraderie, we needed this comics like that's why we opened up the club We open up the club because we realized that one of the functions that the comedy store had for all of us It was home base. Yeah, we had a home base And it was a great old club with this amazing history and we were proud to be a part of it And so we'd all get together and we were proud we were a comedy store comics. It was fun You go out on the road you come'd come back home, and you'd see family. Yeah, we're back at the store. Yeah, and some of the best shows that we would have all year would be like Tuesday night,

Wednesday night shows at the store. We'd go there, and it was just so fun. And everybody's just so happy to be around each other, other comedians, just have fun and talk about jokes and talk about stand-up. And then when we came out here, I was like, there's no home base. There's no home base. We did The Vulcan, but it's not set up good for a green room. I was like, we need a real home base.

And then I started looking. I started looking right away. And the first place I bought was a cult theater. It was owned by a cult. That fell apart. And then we got this opportunity to get that place on 6th Street. And I was like, all right, this is it. And then we just started building. And it's better than I ever could have hoped.

It's a real community now. Like you go into that green room and there's like fucking 20 dudes in there just talking, laughing, having fun. I miss. Soters there and Lewis is there. It's like people from the road, guys from New York, guys from LA, people are coming in and out of town every week. It's fun, man. I miss that, man, because I don't have it. I have it when Sandler goes on tour and he'll bring me out and I go with him and it's just

so much fun. It's so much fun, man. Yeah. You know. That's what we're missing. You know, if you're the guy who just does the theaters and you know, you're with your family all week and then you have your opening act and you go on the road. That's exactly him. It's not the same experience it's not

I've been that for years that's the guy you know I miss it man I really do come to Texas Jimmy come on buddy I got you you go once I take this it's a good place to live the alpha brain man it's gonna change everything I want to put take those wide-band pills but do we find out what the fuck they are? I'm gonna bring them in tea. I have some just try them and be You could be honest. I'm gonna try them right away. Okay. I can't wait to try them in my mind. I've already tried it They had me restaurant DC that's ridiculous Wrestling DC a playing golf. It was a fun. I go in to pummel him just messing around while he's holding the golf club and you just feel like, oh my gosh.

He's a bear. Oh my gosh. Yeah, DC's bear. Two division champion, man. You get, you almost like, you're playing with him but you get scared. It was like I was with Boss. When you introduced me to him, you got me to Boss.

When I met Boss, I remember, I first had, it was just the king and queen started and I was like, we could have this guy come and train us. This guy that we used to watch, you know, what was it on? Pankrace. Pankrace. And he had the high boots and stuff like that.

And then I was like, whoa, man, we can get this guy to the, you know, to our dressing room. We could work out with him. We, I had a little space on the set where, you know, we would train and I brought him in that first day and he couldn't even speak English. It was me and Rock, you know, and I think my brother was there.

And they were, I'm talking to him and trying to keep the conversation going, you know, like that he's just sitting here. He doesn't even know what's going on really, just looking at me. And then those guys left the room and I felt like I was in the room with like a leopard you know like where you go where your feet as long as you're feeding it conversations of it's okay keeps eating it looks at you again

you just looking at me and I ran out of conversation I ran out of conversation I'm like all right so and he's just looking at me I'm like this is a different human in front of me you know especially back then oh gosh things could go bad yeah boss was scary dude It's fighting days. He was the first guy that the UFC hired That I got excited about right because he was a guy that I knew who he was because I had seen him fight in Pancrace and he was one of the very first high level Strikers that made it into MMA that Dutch kicks but kickboxing style with this here. Oh, yeah in

Pencrace, they'd you'd have to hit with the palms and boss figured out that instead of bitch slapping people you just Spear them with your palm like a punch spearmen and he would say you would hit this part of the wrist Yeah, as opposed to even the palm he did the bone bone and he was just one of the bag Mm-hmm. Yeah, he worked the bag with his palms to develop that power and he had this crazy ability to pull his hand back. Like his hand, like my hand doesn't really go much back further than that, but boss's hand goes way back like this. But he's got freaky long fingers. Crazy hands. Weird, he's a weird...

He's a real freak. Every injury I have to this day from turf to intimate came from him, you know. Because when I – he's the greatest guy in the world, by the way, once we got to know each other. Oh, he's awesome. He's one of my best friends. And we threw mats in my garage in Sino, I remember, and he would come over and train me.

And, you know, we would start on our knees and stuff like that. And I remember one time we would just start on our knees and we were locked up. And I remember I outmuscled him and I pulled him to the side. And then two seconds later he reversed me and I was like, whoa, but I got him right there. It was pretty sick. And you know, and the next go we had it, he pushed, he goes, you know, I mean, like he, he rolled me back and I heard a pop and I thought it was my knee, but it was my toe, my big toe. Oh no, turtle. Dude, I, for still toe, my big toe. Oh no, turf toe. For still here, still.

Really? Yeah, yeah, never got rid of it. So is it tendon? These pills help. These pills help that. These pills are everything. I'm telling you. These pills should be the back of a wagon.

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Guarantee if you're having that kind of an experience with them. They do something. I wish I knew what they were It's out. I have it. I do well. I'll find it out for you. I don't want to do it now when we don't have it Why don't you go grab them go grab them and bring them in here? I want to know what they are Otherwise, we'll be in how you gonna know you look at it know what they are. Yeah Well, is it just the what they are? Yeah. Well, is it just a pill by themselves? It's a pill by themselves. Oh, it's no bottle?

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Yeah. I don't know about all this. No? I think you will. You and I will sit down with this stuff with Wyman and we'll we'll get it. I'm telling you we're gonna save the world with this stuff. It's an if an old man is telling you this I am you know I'm telling you it's the one thing it's like whoa. Dude we're both old now. Remember when we were kids? Never thought you're gonna be an old man. Never. Never. How am I gonna be an old man?

How's that possible? I'm a young guy. I'm always a young still young yeah, that's exactly it Also, you never got beaten down by life right cuz you have a great job Right if you if you have a job that sucks you can get beaten down by life Oh, yeah, but if you have a job like we have we enjoy our job It's like a thing it is what we do for work, but it's also what we enjoy right and it is work, but it's fun I'll it's great. There's nothing you. And it is work, but it's fun. It's great. There's nothing, you know, the stress and work is different. Yeah.

But they say you're only as happy as your least happy kid, right? I mean, that's- Oh, that's true. That's true. So it's like when you got that going on, it always bounces that out where you're like, man, the greatest life here ever. And then it's like, oh my gosh, I got to deal with this. Yeah.

And you know, it's not easy for kids. No. Like, especially today with social media and just the weirdness of the world. And I mean, if you're a fucking kid today, you're a 15 year old kid and you're in high school and you see what what the president is, you're like, what? Right. That's the guy running the world. Like, what is happening? Yeah. Is how crazy is this? And then you've just gone through COVID, so everyone's confused.

Like, what happened? It's a very confusing time. Why was I locked up for two years? Like, what happened? And then here you are, you're about to make it out there in the world, and you're on social media all the time. Right. It's a tough ride for kids today.

It is a very, very, very tough ride with new challenges that we never had to experience. Dude, my oldest daughter is on the spectrum. And so we started seeing this anxiety and this disconnection. And she developed these ticks really bad where she started hitting herself. Couldn't uncontrollable. She's a big, strong girl. She was about, I think, 16, 15 at the time.

And you know, I remember, I mean, it was so scary for me that I had to lay on her at night and hold her down. And you know, I'm pretty sure she was hitting so hard and she's apologizing. She's like, I'm sorry. You know, like, I'm like, what are you kidding me? It was just, it broke my heart. So we brought her to the hospital. We went to the hospital to find out what, we didn't even know what this was.

And you know, where it was coming from. So they got her to calm down and she was still taking in stuff. And I talked to the neurologist, is that what it is? I guess I don't know, the doctor, you know, and I go, what is this, what can we do? And he said, he basically said, she's developed these texts. It's like, you know, this is something you're just going to have to learn to deal with. You know, you're going to have a child like this and you have to prepare yourself that you and your wife are going to have to, you know, deal with this for the rest of your life

this way. And I was like, there's got to be a different way. He's like, there's no way of really, we don't know, you know, and I just, I went, oh man, it crushed me. So I was like, me and my wife were like, what do we do? And my wife read this book, she was just doing all this crazy research and she found this book Disconnected Kids and it was by Dr. Robert Malillo. So you know, I got involved with him, I called him and he literally took my daughter.

He was, I know what this is. He was, it's okay. He says, I can work with her and we were just out of, like we were lost. We didn't know what to do. I mean, I mean, violent, you know, it was like, oof. So we took it to this doctor and within two weeks, no drugs, anything, two weeks, ticks were gone and he said, they're going to still be there. They're going to come up every one of them. But he fixed their man.

And I'm like, whoa, it blew my mind, man. So I was like, I just want to give other parents hope. And I knew another guy who had a daughter who's severely autistic. And she was nonverbal and violent too. And he said, he goes, I will, and he worked with them and she's getting so much better and now in speaking. It's an amazing thing this guy does.

He's great. How's he doing it? What is he doing? I don't know at all. He works with the brainwaves and again, not a doctor, but there's no, you know, medication in there involved, which was very important because that's what they were recommending to the hospital, just put her in some medication. I'm like,

And turn her into a zombie. Exactly. I can't do that. And she's so much better now. She still has the ticks every once in a while, you know, but she's great. She's connected. He gets her connected. He does all these like brain things and he works with the, you know, and how it all ties

into the motor, you know, whatever is so fascinating it's it is and he's another guy's like I really is this it I've been told via your assistant this is what it is okay no name for it a no name for it yeah what do you mean there's no name? What do you mean there's no name? Okay, so it has Ashwagandha, Shatavari, Kavachseed, Fenu, Greek Seed, Papali, Guaducci, Shajalit, oh, Shalajit. Shalajit. I've heard of that stuff before. I've heard of Shalajit. Gokshura and Sunti. Oh boy. Well, but that's a mouthful, isn't it? I think this, it's not that the ingredients are that unique. I think it's the fact that the way they do it is, I don't know, that he says he doesn't use

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Yeah. And I know I'm not going to, you know, if it does, if it does, I sense the beat. Like, I'm like, if it's not working, it's not working. Actually, here you go. It's on Dolce's website. If it works for me. Oh, Dolce has it. Yes. OK. That might be it. It must be it. Must working it's not working. What's up? If it works for me. Dolce has it.

Yes. Okay. That might be it. It must be it. If it's on his website, that's it. Inflasix 50. Okay. Um, but uh, yeah it's, it works.

Herbs work. There's a lot of them that work. Yeah. Some of them are really good. So that's what's interesting about pharmaceutical drugs is the vast majority of them are sourced originally from plants, a lot of them from the Amazon. They've come up with a bunch of different pharmaceutical drugs just based on compounds they found on the Amazon.

Yeah. I don't even know. I just... I know nothing about this stuff. So when you started doing this documentary, what was the purpose? To find out the process, because it's like I'm going to do a movie right now. Every time I try to get in shape, it's always like I always have to get in shape. It's almost like a fighter who fights and then gets so out of shape again. It's like, well, that's it.

I shot a movie two years ago where I play an exorcist priest, and I wanted it to be like it was really crazy, like a legit story. So I wanted him to look a little different, be, you know, right in the part and just have a different character. So I got down to 230. I really worked hard, you know, like that's low for me and Shot it and thought we were done with it And I got to pick up a couple scenes I'm 280 no dude. I'm gonna have to look like

Either right in that this priest got stung by a bee and just swelled up to or or I gotta get in shape for it So I gotta get cheaper. I got to get back down to that again How much time did you have? I have as much as I, you know, we'll shoot it when I'm ready, but it's like, it's waiting there to do a couple scenes. 50 pounds, how long does it take to you for to use? I could lose it really quick.

I could fast and lose it. Seriously, I can lose it. I could lose it quick. Like how many weeks? For 50. I could do it in a month. What? That sounds so insane. Less than a month. I could do it in a month what?

That sounds so less than a month. I could do it. Yeah 50 pounds um That's amazing I can do it fast fasting just not you know, but that's eating nothing I feel like shit though. No, no, no when I fast I didn't you know how many days to be fast in a row You know, you don't want to know how many days 41 and a half What? 41 and a half you went 41 days with no food water And and a little salt in the water like a little electrolytes, and I lost Yeah See when I lock on I can do something. Oh, I know that. But that's a crazy lock on.

41 days. Well, that was, I was fasting for, it was mental. It was like, I felt so bad for my daughter. I said, I'm going to do this for you. It was something that I could do, you know, and apply it to. And it was like so emotionally tied into me. And I started fasting and I go, I didn't, I didn't say I'm going to do 40 days. I just said, I'm going to do whatever I can.

I'm going to start fasting right now. And I was praying for her. Like I'm gonna do 40 days. I just said I'm gonna do whatever I can. I'm gonna start fasting right now. And I was praying for her. Like, I mean, I was worried. And I did like four or five days. And I was getting through it, but I was like, I was wanting to get off it then. I was like, well, I gotta start to eat because I'm really hungry.

And I went and I talked to my daughter. I go, how are you feeling? She goes, I've been feeling good. She goes, have you been fasting for me? And I go, yeah. And she goes, thank you so much. And I literally went, okay, I you so much and I literally went okay I gotta keep I couldn't stop then so I just kept going day at a day at a time

you know just do it but it's amazing how your body you don't need it you don't need as long as you have fat on you like that like I lost I think like 60 pounds wow yeah yeah there's that guy that was in the 1960s, right, Jamie? That one dude. He fasted for 360 something days. Yeah. He was really big, right? Yeah. Yeah, you can do it. All you do is just take IV vitamins. Yeah. Just water and vitamins. I didn't even take vitamin. Like, you don't need anything, know and I felt you took no vitamins nothing wow but you know it was it cleansed everything out of me like I'm not saying it's the way to go for everybody you know like I don't I don't know again not it's definitely some health benefits to fasting yeah especially

short-term fasting well they but if you're big and you can do it why not that's it it's like, how are you gonna survive? Your body eats fat. That's it. That's what it was doing. It was probably had good energy I was pretty good for you know a while and then you'd have these dips and you know you feel like wow I feel miserable. I'm gonna I'm off. I'm done And then you fight through it and you like the next day you wake up you like I'm okay And you know it's like keep going just keep going body just yeah yeah All right, this is what we're dealing with we're eating fat I literally wrapped up the 41 and a half days at you're gonna crack up

I went to pizza university which is a university to learn how to make pizzas and I didn't even eat I forgot I had booked it And I'm like oh my gosh, and I go I'm not gonna kill it while I'm there It was a three-day course where you get like a little diploma I wanted to know how to make the dough and everything like that and I went Oh, no, this falls within my diet and just wanted to make it past 40 days and I went down there and I did the whole thing and I never ate a bite. Wow. Yeah, so it was it was crazy But then you blow back up to this, you know, it's like it's so it's like that's what the documentary is about the documentaries about The process and finding something where you can help people

With their health with you know, it is what you were talking about It's just get up and do something walk do it a little bit more each day is the key You know, it's like when you don't even notice it's happening and also you're this active and a great part of the keys Haven't other people to do it with that's one of the great things about like you're saying training with wide men and those guys It's like you're you're in a group of where everybody else is working hard to and it's Contagious, right? It's you get caught up in the momentum and it's great and everybody comes out of there feeling better And you all went through something together. Yes. Yes. That's it that helps. It's very hard to do it by yourself It's not only helps. It's like we need it. I think we're built for that.

We're made for that community. Yep, yep. 100%. 100%. When you don't have it, it's hard. Yeah, it's not a good life if you don't have it. It's just not. You don't want to be by yourself.

Right. You know, like, you always hear about those, like, Howard Hughes type characters. They buy themselves a scared of germs. They're fucking hiding it from everybody. Oh, the world gets smaller and smaller and smaller. Yeah, the bigger you get, the world gets smaller. Like Howard Hughes type characters by themselves are scared of germs The world gets smaller and smaller and smaller. Yeah, the bigger you get the world gets smaller and it's not good not good for you No, yeah, you could lose your marbles I'm coming. I think I'm coming I think you're hearing this you're gonna hear this for the first time with it. Like I think this is it

Yeah, it's a great place to live. I look here in Florida and you know, yeah This is a great place to live It's fantastic. I again, I've never spent time here in Austin. This was the first I was here for a few days We're writing and I felt immediately at home Like the moment I moved here. I was like this is where I was supposed to be Like it made sense. It made sense. It's like a course test. I thought you'd never leave LA too. I'm so glad you did.

That was so cool. Well, I've been wanting to leave for a while. You know, I tried Colorado for a little bit. You moved out even from LA further out in the stick, right? In the hills. Yeah, I was out in the hills. Yeah. I was always trying to beat.

Look, I bought my first house. I bought my first house out in the hills on like four acres. Because I was like, I don't want to be around people. I want quiet, I want animals. I want to look out my window and see a hawk fly. That's what I want to see. That's what I like. You got that here.

Yeah, but that's what I like. I don't want to be overwhelmed by people. I don't think that's healthy for you. And with me, LA just got sketchy during COVID. It just got the George Floyd riots. I was like, this is sketchy. I was watching a bunch of Luton. I saw these kids breaking into a clothes store.

I was like, God damn it. This is sketchy. These cops can't do anything. They're overwhelmed. And then there's all this defund the police shit going on, and everywhere I would go, I would go like, you'd see tents, and I was like, this is a society that's fallen apart,

and if you don't get out now, you're gonna get stuck in something unrecognizable. This is not what you signed up for. When I lived in LA in the 90s, LA was great. It was great, it's kind of a lot of traffic, but other than that, it was cool. Great place to live, all these comedians and artists and fun. Sunny out all the time. Yay!

We're in the right spot. But after COVID, after the George Floyd riots, I was like, uh-uh, I'm getting the fuck out of here. And then just the lockdowns and all the ridiculousness and apocrisy and just realizing that you have to pay attention to how fucking stupid the mayor is. Right. I can never pay attention to the mayor. I didn't give a fuck who the mayor was. And then when COVID comes along, I'm like, oh, that guy's a real problem.

Like these people can become a real problem because they can tell you you have to close your family business. You've had a business for 30 years. It's fucking dipshit. Who shouldn't be managing a fucking Taco Bell. Is managing the entire city's economy. Like, oh my God. And then they went after him too, which is even great. Like Black Lives Matter was protesting in front of his

house like 30 days in a row. I'm like, that's what you get bitch. That's what you get. It just turns on itself. Yeah. And then you brought it here and you planted these seeds and look what's growing, man. It's just so amazing. Luckily, a lot of other comics decided to move out here.

That was the big one. Ron White was the king. He was always here. Ron White was here before COVID. Yeah. Ron White, I remember calling Ron White up. I go, why are you living in Austin? He goes, he goes, I'll still come to the comics to Congress doing but I fucking love it. He goes, I love Texas.

I love being here. I love living in Austin. It's a good city. I was like, damn, it sounds like a good fucking city. And so when the pandemic came around and we were looking for places to live, we had some friends that were coming to look in Austin. I was like, let's look in Austin. And we came and we saw this house on the lake. I was like, let's go. My buddy, I have my buddy Scott Voss. He lived in New York, like most of us, like in the city. And then he all just abruptly moved to New Brunfels, you know, New Brunfels. And he's always like a bow hunter and all this stuff. And he loved that stuff. For bosses. Bosses. Yeah.

They're great friends. Yeah. Bosses out here too now. Yeah. I know, I know. I know the whole thing. Yeah. He's, they're great friends. Yeah Yeah, I know I know I know the whole thing. Yeah, he's they're amazing and He loves it. I'm always like how is it? You know, like are you you know missing New York? He's like not a stitch, you know, it's like you can always visit New York. Yeah, I love New York I love to go back and visit. I love to visit and eat. Yeah. Well, I'm on the island So it's like it's not in the craziness, right, but it's it's yeah, it's it's the island is a different state Yes, it really is it's a different hundred percent. It really is. Yeah, it's a different state. It's not in New York City

I'm on you know, it's it's it's it's it's it's very right wing. Yeah, it's different. Yeah, it's most more families. Mm-hmm. Yeah much more normal Which is what I need, you know, I you know, but here I used to love working on the island That was my favorite place to work governors. Yes, fuck you. Chuckles. Do you remember? Is that mini-ola that's right Yeah, East side was great. That was a sad day when East Side died. Closed. And then they opened another one, Richie, and it just got away from him. And it was just not a great, you know, he took on a massive like store, like a massive

warehouse and started rebuilding it and just got, you know, in over his head with stuff. And the, you know, the boom was slowing down a little bit, you know, and it just got tough. Yeah, Long Island has always been a good place for comedy. Oh, the best. There's always real good comics coming out of Long Island. There's always like a Long Island attitude. Like you get guys who come into the city from Long Island. I was always afraid of that.

That was another move, like, oh my God, making that move to the city. People like, you're going to go to the city. I'm like, I'm not going to the city yet. I'm not ready. I'm not ready. I was so scared the first time that move to the city. People are like, you're gonna go to the city. I'm like, I'm not going to the city yet. I'm not ready. I'm not ready. I was so scared the first time I performed in the city. I was so scared. The cellar, where'd you go?

Boston Comedy Club? No, Catch a Rising Star. Yes, me too. Lewis Faranda. Yes. I was so terrified. Wow. I thought I was gonna bomb.

I was so nervous. I'd never been more nervous for a show in my life. Because all the greats went through there, you know? I remember I watched a video that was online of Richard Pryor. I guess back then I must have watched a tape, because we're talking about like the early 90s. It must have been a tape, but I watched a VHS tape of Richard Pryor on stage at Catch. And I was like, oh my God, I'm going to perform in the same place.

I knew Richard Belzer had performed there I knew it was just a legendary club. I couldn't believe I was there. I couldn't believe I was allowed to be on the stage Me too man. Yeah, but when it went okay, it went good, you know, I was like, okay And then the next show I did the city. I was like loose. I was like this is just a crowd These are just people that's it and then I just like loose. I was like, this is just a crowd. These are just people. That's it. And then I just got loose. But the allure of the city was always like, you can't trick them. They're gonna be the smart people.

Like you can trick all those losers that come to see you at a bar in the middle of Massachusetts. But if you're gonna go to New York fucking city, you better have your act together. You know, and your act has to be tight. Stand up New York, the comic strip. Comic strip, you remember? Eddie Murphy was to be tight Stand up New York the comic strip comic strip. Remember Eddie Murphy Gosh, Eddie was here. Yeah, you see that Chris Rock and he's gonna like

Well, the club the clubs in New York, there was so many of them Boston Comedy Club. Yeah danger fields Danger fields I played In front of probably three people, right? One o'clock in the morning at Dangerfield. Yeah, I was there once at Dangerfields and my spot was at 9.30 and I got there at nine o'clock and everyone was by the bar. I'm like, what's going on?

There's no crowd. And while we were there, two people showed up. And you remember Bobby? Oh, he put the show on? Yeah, he was crazy, Bobby. Welcome to Dangerfields. He just brought him in. You started the show. And then the show on, yeah, he was crazy Bobby. Welcome to Danger Foods. He just brought him into the room. You started the show.

Yes. And then the show started. And we all did stand up for two people. I love it. They were like held hostage. How could they leave? We're gonna get out of here. This sucks.

Like what? There's five more guys coming. There was something about back then that I mean, I miss so much that, I guess it's the community again, but that whole drive to the newness of being in these clubs, the comedy seller, you know? Oh, so we didn't know if we were going to make it. That's it.

You know, back then you were like, am I going to be a real professional or is this just bullshit? Should I think about getting a job job? Right. I quit my last job way early. Did you? Yeah, I was working at a place called Granger in the in the warehouse just pulling orders it was like an industrial equipment company and

I hated it. It was so hot and I'm like miserable and I'm doing like one like I'm doing an improv class and like a Couple dates I have here and there and I was like I think I'm gonna turn into comedy I think I could make a living over this stuff and it's like Pulled out way too it living at home my folks And it's like, pulled out way too early. Living at home, my folks, and it's like, I might have pulled that a little early, but you know. But that's the way you do it though. You'll find jobs and things to do to make money

while you're struggling. Right. But if you have a net, you'll fall. Right, you're right. You gotta, do you have to be 100% all in. And in the beginning, like in the first days when you and I knew each other, we were just like kind of opening acts. Right.

Which is like, you're not really making much money. Right. Maybe you could headline some old scrub room in the middle of nowhere. Right. Make a couple hundred bucks that night, drive to Connecticut. You know, so it was precarious. Like who knows what's going to happen? I could fall, but we all knew guys who fell apart.

There was guys who were like headliners. So big comics and they just fell apart. They fell apart. They couldn't handle it for whatever reason. It's weird, fear of success or just like whatever it is. They just didn't know how to go to the next level or? I think for them it's a lot of that they didn't have community.

I think back then, even more so than it's a problem now it was way more of a problem back then because everybody was in competition with each other. Right. Nobody looked at other people like other people that are just like me that are out there doing great and so that's awesome for everybody. Right. Back then like if you and I were friends and there was a Tonight Show host spot available and they were going to talk to you and they were going to talk to me, we couldn't be friends. Right. And like the people would like turn on each other.

They would backstab each other. Like the famous David Letterman and Jay Leno things. Right. Leno's like hiding in the closet. Yeah. Listening to. Yeah. It was like they were in competition with each other.

Did you have a group of guys in Boston around you like when you first started or no was it just you me and Fitz Emons were always tight Right, and we started out literally a week apart from each other in open mics, right? So and then Chris McGuire was always tight with Chris and there was a few guys from that era that I Stayed friends with that we did a lot of road gigs together and we were tight and that was real fun I mostly Fitz Emons because because Fitzsimmons was, he was a good buddy and we did a lot of gigs together when we were starting out. We'd drive to Rhode Island for free.

Just do open mics. I drove to Allen, Pennsylvania for, I mean like 20 bucks or something. I remember like, I go, this is cost me more in tolls. Yeah. I was like, but I'm went. Yeah, but that's the only way to do it. You have to put in those hours in that time. And have to be and if you're with someone else is also

Doing it it makes it way easier So yeah made it easier for sure to be friends of Fitz Evans because we were both doing the same thing at the same time Yeah, but there wasn't a group like we had in LA and LA that was that was the different That was a different thing that was a real brother and sisterhood Like it was like everybody was like so tight and everybody was so supportive because it coincided with the internet When the internet came along then instead of everybody being competition with each other for a sitcom or you know a TV show Now everybody was on each other's podcast,. So now, it was only beneficial. It was like, if I could go do Schultz's podcast, that would make my Netflix special

get more people to watch it. If I could go do this, it would do that. If I could do all these different things, it would actually promote stuff and it would make it bigger and better. And then it was like everybody's podcast grew because they were on other people's podcasts. And no one suffered.

No one, there was no negative, like of all the people that I ever had on my podcast that went on to do podcasts and tour and do arenas, it only helps. It only helps. It never helps. It only helps. It helps them. It helps me. It helps the audience.

It helps everybody. You're helping them is insane. I mean, like look at the careers you've built from this. I just exposed people to talented people that already existed and that benefits me. Absolutely, 100% but it's like you're given this platform and it does, it grows because then they're able to do it and bring up other people and you know. And then other people are seeing that and they're applying that in their own lives. It definitely wasn't the case.

The back of the day I felt like I had my brother Gary and Rock and Adam Ferrara and Richie Minerville. We had this tight group that we would look out for each other. Those guys, we would try to do that. But other than that, it was backstab. It was like they were just trying to get in the way and don't tell this guy about this audition. It's like, I hated that.

I hated that. Well, that's why I loved hanging out with you and Ferrara and you know it's like you could find good dudes and you all hang together and all enjoy each other's success and and do shows together too that was the most fun thing when you know that's man the boys was the best oh I love that so much so many fun gigs it was such a good time and it just to be on the sideline because you're one of those guys that if I'm laughing hard in the room, you go crazy. Oh, you give me nuts.

You build me up. You are. You're the height man, because you'd fire me up and we'd... Well, I always knew you at your best. I always knew who you were. Like if we were just at a bar and you just started going off about something and we're crying, laughing. You had this ability to get fucking furious about something in the most hilarious way,

and I was like, you gotta bring shimmy out. I know. You gotta bring shimmy out on that stage. You were like one of the few guys, I'm telling you and Sam are guys that believe in me more than I believe in me. You know what I'm saying? Really, I mean it's amazing.

Well sometimes your special quality is to be comfortable around your friends, and then that's where you show your full potential. Right. And then it's up to your friends to say, you got to just carry that with you on the stage. Because that's you. Like the bit that you two bugged, pulling up to the curb,

and the lock cancels out with a girl grab my hand. That's a full shimmy bit. You got me, you built it with me. You were like, you gotta go nuts. And I was like more and more and adding in and going, I literally jumped in the audience during, cause you got me, like that was, when we were up at Montreal, you were like,

you gotta go shimmy. And I like went nuts. I literally jumped in, I jumped on some guy in the crowd. I've never done that before, ever. I freaked, this was like, you know, but that got me my deal. That's literally being, that's, you know. Yeah, it was awesome.

It was awesome. But that's you at your best. But sometimes, like that's, you know, sometimes people need a coach. Right. As long as you need a hype man. Well, my friends do that all the time. We do it for each other, they do it to me.

They'll say, like, Tony, last night, we're going over a bit. He's like, I really think that when you're saying this, maybe say that first. And I was like, damn, maybe you're right. And every now and then, someone will see things with fresh eyes, and they got to pull you aside and go, I think you should do it this way.

And you're like, ooh, I like it. Let me try it. And I'll try it at the next show. And like, oh my god, you're right. That's it. Ah, you have it. Look at try it. And I'll try it at the next show and like, oh my God, you're right. That's it! Ah, you have it. Look at that. It's a comfort level.

It's a comfort level. When you're comfortable with somebody and you get past that, you open up and you try to, and you know each other. That's exactly what it was. Like I said, we would go out and do these things. And that would be it.

You would give me these things and get me all hyped up. And it changed who I was. It changed, again, that comedian that were standing up there in the middle with the mic standing, you were just that guy to me. You were that guy that was just like, you didn't care. And I was like, ah, I wanna be that.

I remember one time we were at one of the improv's, the brand improv, one of those improv's. And one of the fucking guys who's working the sound booth goes what did you do to him? I go that's him! That's him! That's the real shimmy! That's when he when it comes out because you were just going nuts. You're just going nuts. You're like dude he goes so crazy when you're here. That's him. I need you in my life that way. Like I need you to do that with everything. I'm telling you that's what I miss when I'm on my second

Because again, you my own captain I go off the rails. I'll start overthinking things and it's like you know That happens with fighters too. I'm sure yeah fighters decide that they're the boss and then they don't have a guy like that happened with Tyson like Tyson was with customado customado died and now he doesn't have a boss anymore right he doesn't have the the alpha he doesn't have a boss anymore. He doesn't have the the alpha. He doesn't have this this This this this wise person who's overseeing all of it going no, no, no, not this this right This is why this is why you have to approach it this way like yeah This is why like sometimes people need a coach you need you need you need someone around you who knows exactly what's going on I don't care if it's you.

I need it. If I'm writing a movie or doing whatever it is, I need people to say, hey, you've got to see it because you're in your own head. Everything has that same flavor. I'm always like, we're writing the same type of movies in this and that because I'm controlling everything and sometimes I've got to relinquish that control and say, let someone else say, believe me, trust them, just go with it. I struggle with that because I'm like no no no no, you know Right, and that's that's the key to it. I could see that in the fight game

It must be like, you know where I take over and I know better and I got to switch camps and do all this stuff Or what if you're the champ, right? If you're beating everybody and you think like I'm fucking everybody up because I'm the best And then your manager is like looking at clever Lang and rocky right No, this fucking guy is doing the real thing right you you better watch out. You're coming. You know this coming Yeah, you have to have that guy around you. Otherwise you'll be delusional and you wind up like with a flashlight in your face That's right. That's right. You know the wheeling your out of stretcher. That's It's a thing with success like and also the part of success is to get successful, you have to get really uncomfortable. And once you get to a certain level of comfort,

you're like, I don't want to be uncomfortable anymore. I did all that, but that's over. I'm done. But the only way you keep getting better is to be uncomfortable. That's it. That's the ice bath every morning. That's literally going, you don't have to do this anymore. You know, it's like, but why? So you got to build up the boss in your head. Like, I made my own coach because I realized there's not going to be enough coaches around me. Like, I had coaches when I was doing martial arts.

I mean, there was a giant factor for me that I went to that J. Hunt, Kim, Taekwondo Institute Boston, which was like one of the best gyms in the country. I just got just dumb luck happened to be there at the right time. But once I realized, you're not going to have a coach everywhere. Like, you got to be able to coach yourself. Like, I write out my training routines all myself. I write them out.

So I know what I have to do. And I just do it. I found an old journal, like when I was literally doing, I did karate for four, I don't know how many years it was. I got to like a brown belt, you know, when I was in high school and stuff like that or a little, just as, I guess it was ending and maybe it was just going to the college. I was by a brown belt by then, but I never felt that we had a guy named Al Wilson in our school who was a boxer and I was learning

all the karate stuff and I was really good in karate. You know, I had these, you know, the moves and stuff like that and the katas down like crazy crank them out like rip them, you know, like really powerful. And this guy was just different, you know, it was boxing, you know, like I didn't have that. So I never had that confidence even then. Like as a brown belt, I was like, I need to know something. Like I got to learn to. And it really, you know, like I didn't have that. So I never had that confidence even then like in as a brown belt I was like, I need to know something like I gotta learn and It really you know, boxing's an eye-opener. Oh my gosh and wrestling, you know, it's like all these things

That's what I'm saying as far as that stuff. It's like There's a too big eye-opener It's especially if you think that you know how to fight because you know how to do karate and then you boxed at somebody Yeah, oh It's a totally different thing. I got to this now. Learn it like I learned everything else. I remember when you took me to Beverly Hills, Jiu Jitsu, I remember probably the first class, a guy grabbed me and held me just against his chest

and my face was in his chest, in his gi and I couldn't breathe. I didn't know what to do. So I reached up and I was like grabbing his throat which you're not, but I was panicking. And he was like, whoa, whatever. I was like, whoa, I didn't know. I just played reached up and I was like grabbing his throat which you know but I was panicking yeah and he was like whoa you know whatever I was like oh I didn't know I just played it off but I was gone I was got he was like I was gonna tap from a chest yeah people do that in in black belt I do it all this mother it's mother joke yeah I can't I can't do that like it's mother

tap people like big guys would get on top of people and talk them in between their packs oh my god yeah I'm. I feel like I'm drowning. Yeah, you are kind of drowning. Yeah, yeah. It's scary. It is scary, but if you can learn defense of that, then you're always going to be safe. That's the thing.

It's like, if you can just figure out how to defend yourself in those positions, just to stay alive, and it's the worst feeling in the world to be trapped under someone for five minutes, whether trying to kill you. But if you can, if you can develop enough confidence that you're safe no matter what that's when Hicks and Gracie always said right? He was I am always safe. He was always defense. My defense is perfect. I am always safe So he'd never worried about being tapped because he was always putting himself in these terrible positions He would have black Belt start on his back with a fully locked in real naked choke. That's who you have them start. That's yeah, then you're not afraid of anything. You've been there before. You've got defense. Yes. Yeah, you got your defense.

I say if I if I applied what I think about all day long to actually practicing it, yeah, I don't but I think about it all the time. You gotta build that coach up in your brain. Dude. You gotta have that all day long got I would literally look up things and I go I would watch everything and be like I saw Eddie Bravo once say or I heard that he said I won't even teach anybody until you can do the butterfly You can get it to the you know to your knees to the the mat And you know he said he can't get a black belt. Oh, is that what it was? Yeah, you can't get a black belt until you get your knees to the mat. Okay. I thought thought he was like I thought he was oh I took it that way and I'm like I started pushing me You know, but then I faded like I don't do it gave up on that by the way

Oh, did it yeah Who gave up on that because he realized you could be a black belt without putting your knees to the mat Yeah, cuz I can't move like you know It's just Eddie has a very specific style and it's super effective and it's very dangerous off he's one of the most dangerous guys ever off his back and so he developed this style based on flexibility and movement and I could always do that because I was very lucky that I you've always been flexible because I did talk when though when I was really young and I always stretched so I didn't have any problem adopting his techniques but a lot of people did just because of the dexterity issues

I would I would think like because that was like the rubber guard and stuff like that, right? And it was like I was always a big guy, so I didn't know whether in my head I would go I Shouldn't train this way because it's not my style of fighting or whatever or should I be a big guy that can do that? And I would go back and forth go and you know some trainers would be like You know you shouldn't do this You know don't waste your time do that you'll never do that and I'm like well What if I'm you know nothing scarier than a heavyweight that can move around and be like that? You know heavyweight they can fight off his back is one of the most dangerous guys. I can't I got I was always no

Gara's like big thing right because Minotaro back in the day when Minotaro was the pride champion No, Garra was a Lethal black belt off his back So these guys are so used to wrestling guys and taking them down but you get taken down you're in no Garra's guard You're right. You're in trouble Fabrice over doom. He tapped all the greats back Yeah, Fabrice O do he tapped Fedor from his back. I mean, come on man, Fedor from his back. He was the first guy to beat Fedor and everybody was like, holy shit. And the way he did it with just pure Jiu-Jitsu, he got him an armbar triangle combination. He's

like, this is checkmate motherfucker. Just slap that down. Boy, Fabrizio Verdun had the most wicked of all guards. He tapped all the greats. He tapped Cain Velasquez, he tapped Minotaro, he tapped Fedor, he tapped like some of the greatest of all time that guy tapped. Off his back! That's crazy. That's what I have to, I literally,

I have to get back to it. I really gotta get back to it because that fear of those positions that you just don't wanna ever get in, it's the suffocation, it's just that. And even every time I start up again, I hate the warm-ups. That warm-ups, I'm like, dizzy, like, you know, I'm doing these, like, crab walks and stuff like that. I'm like already out, like, you know?

But it's like, I have a guy that Weidman hooked me up with. You know, I was going to go to Sarah because Sarah is out there. It's great Jiu-Jitsu. But for some reason, Weidman goes, go to this guy. He's – he'll be great with you. His name is Derek Manji. He does monster Jiu-Jitsu out there, but it was like an hour away from me. But he's the greatest guy. And he comes to my house and he trains me and stuff and he's just a beast.

But it's like I've got to get past literally out of my head and go get in these positions. But when I train with him, he's so big, like I get on his back or whatever it is and he just gets up. It's like an apartment building just coming up. Like I can't even hold, you know, I don't, and it's so frustrating to me. And he's flexible and big and he can move around and it's like, I, this is where I don't finish. I quit. I'm like, I get frustrated and I don't, you know.

Honestly, the thing about training with someone who's really good, the problem is you're never going to get good enough to tap them because they're always going to be ahead of you. You really should train with people that are okay. That's the best way to train. The best way to get really good at jujitsu, I've always said, and Eddie Bravo used to always say this, is strangle blue belts. Really? Find people that can resist a little bit, but they're not really on your level and just drill on them. The best way to get really good at jujitsu, I've always said, and Eddie Bravo used to always say this, is strangle blue belts. Really? Find people that could resist a little bit, but they're not really on your level, and

just drill on them. Right. You drill on them. And that way, then when you get to brown belts and you get to black belts, you're sharp, and you have all these reps of finishing the technique. Reps. All these reps of closing. That's the other thing.

Closing the technique. Do you recommend just drilling, drilling, drilling? 100%. Drilling is almost more important than anything. Really? Yeah, because it solidifies the move in your head. When I got really good, the best I got at Jiu-Jitsu when I went from blue belt to purple belt was when I was trained with Eddie.

And we were drilling all the time. We were drilling multiple times a week. So we get together, and for an hour and a half, we would just drill. And it sucks. You don't want to. You want to roll. Rolling is fun.

Sparring is fun. You know, it's like you're playing a video game. But if you can just force yourself to do the work and do a lot of drilling, your technique will get really sharp. All the best guys drill. They drill all the time. They do either live drills where you all start

from a certain position or they'll do drills where you all start from a certain position, or they'll do drills where they'll go over a specific path. Like, Eddie was big on going over paths. Like I want you to do this. You pass the guard, he goes to block, you set this up, and then you counter with that. And then we would drill that very position over. So then when that would come up in training, when you would go to pass and someone would block and then you would take their back it's like oh it just

it's all synced in right to your nervous system so when you're and that enables you to when you're in a position yeah to think two or three moves ahead and you're not gonna get that if you're training with some big black belt you're not gonna get that you're never gonna get to the point where you could do that to him it's great it's not it's not him It's me getting you he brings guys lets you do it. Yeah, it's not the same Right, you got to be able to do it to someone who's not letting you do it and someone who you don't know You know, well, that's the key once you start learning someone and you're kind of yeah You don't want to know them right you want you want to be able to like solve a human puzzle, right?

Some person is pulling on your shit. He's kind of freaking out a little bit. Not only that, it's the fear of that. I hate that. I don't like that. You love it. I hate going to a class where I don't know every... First of all, I hate the ghee. I hate everything.

I suffocate in that thing. That thing is a man-hard... Watch Try Nogi. Go Nogi. Because then I feel like you're not learning the techniques. And then this... You are. You are.

Yeah, 100%. I have a black belt and ghee and I have a black belt No, ghee I can do both of them I've done both of them but I'm both of them at the same time But one of the things that I did from learning from Eddie was because I was training so much no ghee But I was also training ghee I would go in and do the ghee, but I wouldn't use it I would let them use it on me But I was just concentrating on over hooks and under hooks and I was concentrating on all the same grips that I would use so that I would never be deficient.

Because if you get used to grabbing collars and sleeves, and you get used to adjusting people with butterfly sweeps and stuff like that based on grips, the problem with that is all those grips go away whenever one's slippery and it's just bare chest. So I was just all about clinching, and I was all about a tight game. I was all about learning what Eddie's moves were. Eddie's moves were all over hooks and under hooks. It was all wrestling based and it was all because of Jean-Jacques Machado. So our instructor, Jean-Jacques, his left hand, he only has a thumb. I know. He trained me a couple days in Encino when I was there. He came to my house. He

was such a great guy. He's the best. He's the best. It's when I look at these videos of, you know, where they take the ghee belt or whatever it is and underneath and wrap it around this thing. It's like, I always go, it's not that it can't work or whatever, but I always look for things that are applicable. Like, you know, I want to be able, you know, and it's like, to me, I can't do that. I can't, you know. So, but I always heard that for you to get better at no-gee, you want to train G because it's like taking a bat and, you know, swinging with the donut on it. Yeah.

That doesn't make any sense. OK. No. No, you want to train. It's like to get really good at racquetball, you need to play tennis. It doesn't make any sense. Well, I got four massive Gs if you want to use them

for something. You could throw them over your couch or whatever you feel like doing because I'm happy to get rid of them. Listen, there's nothing wrong with the geese. The geese still great. And what the geese does do is it forces you to be very technical because you can't muscle out of things. It's you can't just pull out of stuff because you're trapped.

So you have to learn how to use the proper defense and also never let you get yourself into a position where someone's completely cinched up on you. Like if someone has like, like there's certain chokes like a clock choke. Like if they reach into your collar and they grab a hold of your collar like this and then they get this arm wrapped around here, you're in a bad spot because then I'm gonna spin. Oh gosh. I'm gonna go...

Oh yeah and it's like a tourniquet, right? And it's terrible. It's a tourniquet. Oh, it's death. It's death. It's such a horrible joke to get stuck in. So you just gotta, in those situations, the geek can be very, like if you're in a street fight with a guy who's got a winter jacket on, some guys got a leather jacket on and he grabs you and you grab a hold of that collar and you pull to the side and you fish that arm underneath the shoulder That's a dead man. Right. I get it. You know, he's dead. Yeah, he's a dead man Yeah, like if you get a hold of someone's leather jacket and then you get your arm under there, right? And you get this like this you're like, oh, son. You got him

Right, right, right, right. I love that. Yeah, so this, like a judo player who, fighting someone with a winter jacket, you're fucked. That guy's gonna hit you with the world. He's gonna spike you on your fucking head on the concrete. And you're not even gonna be able to stop it. You're not gonna be able to do a goddamn thing. So it's good to learn the gee, because most people are wearing clothes. Yeah, I'm just gonna go out shirtless for now on like just

You could even wear anything you'll choke someone with a with a hoodie right you get on top of someone with a hoodie This is different level, this is not what I'm literally I need to yeah I've got a start I really do I gotta I gotta do something because it's like it's there's nothing wrong with the geek the Gees great the Gees great. I When you great it does slow the game down for older guys too, that's the one thing That's where they keep saying you don't want to go no geek because it's gonna be but it's like it'll be a lot quicker But I don't mind I like that as long as it's a guy my love it does slow the game down But also to me I just feel suffocated like everybody's always grabbing me and I'm like I'm out

I'm like tapping like crazy. I'm like, I'm you know Plus my grip strength I ripped I first of all tore this bicep When I was did you get repaired or does it just like this one happened this one happened? about five six years ago I was Hired a personal trainer and she came to my house. Like, I didn't even know. She was like almost like the CrossFit person. And she was like, we're going to work on strength.

And I had never deadlifted or did anything. And I started doing deadlifts. And she was like, I didn't even literally know how to do it. She was like showing me. And she was getting so excited. She goes, that's pretty good weight. Can we bump it up a little bit? And it was like 135, 225, 275 and then she was, can we go a little bit more? She put 315 on it

and then I go and I got it and she was like, can we go 405? Like whatever. She bumped up and I'm going and I'm starting to feel like a little tired and I go, I don't know. I don't know if we should do this. I don't know what this is getting me. But she was so happy. She said, this is really good. It was like a personal bet. And I go, I've never done it. I did 405 and I felt a little something. I got it.

I just got it. And she was like, this is amazing. And then she said, can we go like 450? And she put, yes. And I went pop right away. I got it up for a little bit. And I just went, I felt, I go, oh my gosh, but it didn't it was such a bad It didn't tear away from the bone. It just there was like it look I was like chop meat and there was a

Ripped a hole in the middle of it. Oh, so it was weird It was like he goes the guy looked at it and he goes we can't even do anything with it So it's like just the heel you just got to let it heal It's still have a hole like when you yeah Well, it's you can't see this one as this. So it's like, you just got to let it heal. Does it still have a hole? Like when you flex? Well, you can't see this one as much. You can see a little divot. You see a little divot here. But then just recently, I did a movie with Joe Ideas.

I did that movie. I did a movie with him and there was a lot of fighting in it. And I'm fight training with the guys and we're rehearsing all the choreography and going through the moves and we did it like a lot. And it was the end of the time. He's like, do you want to run it one more time? And I was like, all right, he was just running slow just to get it because I was getting

tired and I had to go in and double leg the guy or whatever it was. And I went into double leg them and it was very slow and he moved to the side and he went this way and it stretched my arm and it went tink. I go and they go, that's looked awesome awesome guys And I go no no no no I literally have it recorded. I go something's wrong. I go something's wrong and this one This one's bad. It's it's nasty. It's like it's it's the Matt Sarah one it rolled up on me Oh, and it was I got it checked out and they go it's completely torn and You know the guy was doing PT on me. You know, this guy

Amato, he's awesome. Johnny Amato, he's awesome. You got to do PT and he was telling me, he's like, well, the good thing about it is it's torn completely because it's not, you know, you're going to be able to do everything with it. And I had to go into the movie so they go, do you want to get it fixed? You should get it fixed. And he's, you know, it was like one of those things where it's like, you don't lose, you don't gain that much strength. Believe it or not, the bicep doesn't do that much. The bicep itself is kind of like turning a key,

and it's like, that's where it'll be affected a lot, which it's, that's actually not that bad. So did you get it fixed or no? I didn't, I couldn't, because I had to go into the movie and shoot the movie. Because if you do that, you get it fixed. It's, the rehab is, like it's long. So I go do that, you get it fixed. It's the rehab is like it's long, you know? So I go, I can't do it.

So they said, I go, can I get it done after the movie? And they go, you can't because it's a window of the muscle. Like if you don't attach it right away, it's like, it won't take. Yeah. So I did it. I didn't do it. And it's bad.

And it still hurts. It cramps every time. Like I don't feel like I can do anything I've lost so much strength on this thing now. That's you wish you'd done the surgery. I do I do Sucks. Yeah, I always wondered about Matt's arm. He's strong as hell like it doesn't affect him though He says, you know, I think he says it's it's fine. Why don't you guys get that one? That's a real common one It's a lot of it's common with a lot of times when people throw a punch Like if the punch gets blocked the bicep will pop and curl up. I've seen that a couple of times. Yeah

Yeah, it's this is ugly and it's bad. Remember Kyle Parisi and had that with hamstring. Yeah. Oh my gosh, did he? Yeah, he had a hole in his hamstring his hamstring just ripped apart and it shriveled up and it always fucked with him Like the rest of his career. Oh, it's in your head. Well, also his one leg just was not as strong, right? So his one leg was like always compromised. He should have had its surgery on it like right from the beginning Yeah, yeah, but guys try to rehab stuff. There's like that fine window that small window between Fixing something and not being able to ever fix it like TJ Dillish I went through that with his shoulders He tried to just rehab his shoulders and his shoulders wound up becoming chronic

and now they've ruined his career. Right. Yeah, any kind of injury to a joint, I always say get the surgery if you can. If it's that bad, get the surgery. But also, it depends on what it is. Like if it's a bicep, yeah, get the surgery. But there's certain things like,

stem cells might be able to fix that better than surgery. So it's like knowing where to go and who to talk to and what doctors have actually gone through this before. But you can't do that now. It's too late. With what? With stem cells or anything like that.

No, with the bicep? No. Once it's tripled up, it's tripled up. You have a very small window. I think a bicep, the window's just a couple of weeks. You get it repaired like really quickly. I should it buys up the windows just a couple of weeks. You get it repaired really quickly. I should have done it because I really... That sucks. It does. That's a bummer. It's slowing me down for sure. I tore my MCL getting on stage once. What? Yes, at Stubbs. It's Stubbs

in Texas. I was walking up to the stage. Stubbs is this outdoor amphitheater and as you're turning the corner, it's these concrete stairs, but they're spaced differently. And so I was like, check, I was turning my recorder on and my phone and walking up the stairs being called up to the stage and I misstepped and twisted my foot and it popped my knee bad. Where when I went on stage, my leg was shaking like I was nervous Well, I didn't stop. I was an agony. I was in agony. Yeah, I just did my set. Oh my god Yeah, I just power through it, but I was like my leg is shaking so bad. It looks like I'm so nervous

Yeah, everyone can see this. Oh, there's just pain. I was I should have addressed it. I should have said I just blew my knee out I Should have said that so like the people know what my knee is shaking. Yeah, because otherwise I was like God, how do I stop my knee from shaking like this guy sure of us Yeah, it shook for like the first fuck ten minutes at least did you sit down? No, no just your nuts did my set Yeah, it was still went great So it still was show was fun But then my knee was fucked up for a year after that. I had to get a bunch of stem cells. I got stem cells in it like three arms before it finally got to the point where it doesn't

bother me anymore. How is it now? It's great. Yeah, now it's great. Now I can kick the back. No problems. Wow. Yeah, I did a lot of knee overtoes stuff too.

That Ben Patrick program. Yeah, that's stuff. Yeah, that's great stuff. It's a big game changer. I've strengthened my legs quite a bit more since I did that, since I had that injury. The Nordic curls and, you know, the slant board squads, gollet squads.

That sled too on the wheels, whatever it's called. Torx sled. Yes, it's just, I just push it light and then just walk back with it slow, you know, and just keep going, digging in. I feel it in my legs and it's great. The walking back is huge. That's such a crazy way to strengthen your legs, to pull a sled backwards. Such a good way to strengthen your knees.

Right. Yeah, it just keeps everything strong and firm. Yeah. So it's like, and as long as you stay flexible as well and you're strong, like you have stability. You have range of motion, but you also have stability That's that's giant. That's key. I Got it. I'm doing this movie now where it's me and it's an action movie. I'm going into literally leaving tonight to

Vancouver to It's like a crazy action movie with and I wanted to get in shape for it and it didn't happen. So I'm like, I don't know, with, uh, I'm next to this beast too. Uh, Alan Richen for the, for the reach. Oh my gosh. I was like, I got a train to get, you know, ready for, I'm like, nothing happened. And I'm like, Oh boy, we're going into this thing. That guy is the perfect guy for that show. Cause you know, they did that movie with Tom Cruz. And it was like, the perfect guy for that show. Cause you know, they did that movie with Tom Cruise. And it was like a, the character was never that small, right? No, in the book, the character was this monster.

The character in the book was Alan Richmond. Yeah, Richardson. He's a rich son. He's a rich son. Yeah, really good. Look at this dude. He's ridiculous. He's amazing.

He's a house. That guy's a house. Great dude too. Yeah, seems like a really nice guy. Unbelievable. I dude, too. Yeah, it seems like a really nice unbelievable I've seen him in interviews. He seems like a really nice guy. Yeah, he's the perfect guy for that series Yeah, that they just you know, Tom Cruise is the blockbuster boy So they're like let's just do it with Tom Cruise like but he's five nine This guy's got to be a gorilla. He's gonna be a fucking linebacker

He's a linebacker with a genius brain. Yeah kill people this guy's this guy's yeah He's perfect for it. He is But uh, so you have to do an action movie with him. Yeah. Oh, no And just stuck fast Before the camera rolls, I just suck it out It's crazy, man. I it's like fighting that age, but it's like, you're right. You look at what you're doing, man. It's like such a difference how you are with what you do

and what you've implemented. You're a different species, you know? I'm telling you, it's like... I just stayed on it. Yeah. I just never let off the gas. Yeah. That's the key.

Yep. But also being careful, like knowing like what's fucked up and what's not, and knowing not to try to work through injuries, but to heal them and making sure they don't happen anymore by increasing range of motion and strengthening things and just making sure your whole system is strong. I do a lot of like non-sexy exercises

like Turkish getups and things like that. Things strengthen the whole body, windmills. Those are the things that I like. No one likes to do them. And those are the things, when I walk around the gym and do a couple of things, it's like, that's where I have to change my mindset. To go into the places where it, where does it hurt?

When you bend, where did, the ankle strength, foot, all this stuff to get comfortable in that. And it's like, that's the stuff that's so important. Turkish getups, I hate those. Everybody hates those. I don't like to do it. I don't, you know. There's no, like, bench press is cool.

You know, like, you bang out 10 reps, like, yeah, we did it. Turkish getups, you never feel like you're done. It's always a little... No, exactly. Ugh, it's hard. And everything's working. Your legs are working, your core's working. Do you do specific sets? And, or are you more like on your own? Do you go, I just gonna work this area

and I'm gonna do as many as I just wanna drill it? Or do you have a set? I have sets. You do? Yeah, yeah. I'll do my warmup. My warmup after the cold plunge is always 100 pushups and 100 body weight squats.

So that's the warmup. So that gets you going. That gets you warm after you've done the cold. So now you're heated up again, and then I do my... Wait a second. 100 push-ups and 100 bodyweight squats. That... that's more than my week, Chris. Like, like, I even... this is your warm-up? Yeah, that's the warm-up every day. Yeah, that's 15 minutes. So 15 minutes it takes to do 100 pushups and 100 bodyweight squats. I do those. And then I do swings. So depending upon whether or not I'm feeling good or whether I need more warmup, I either go with 50 or 70 pounds.

So if I go to 70 pounds, that means I'm ready to go. So I do three sets of 10 swings with each arm, with 70 pounds. And then I do clean press, three sets of 10 with each arm with clean press. And then I do three sets of windmills with each arm. And then I do three sets of renegade rows. You know renegade rows where you're doing a push up on the kettlebell.

So you've got the kettlebells, two on the ground, same distance apart as your shoulders you're like doing a push-up on the kettlebell So you got the kettlebells two on the ground same distance part of your shoulders and you do a push-up and then in the lock push-up Position you do a row with one side boom and then a row with the other side boom back down for a push-up back up Row with one side boom so your core is totally engaged the entire time You're in a plank the entire time and And the entire time you're either going down to do a pushup, you lock up, and then you're stabilizing yourself as you pull the one little bell up. So you're, that's core, that's everything.

Boom, with that down, yeah. Boom, and you do that, you do that with 70 pounds, three sets of 10 on each side, and you get worn the fuck out. You know, so you're doing 20 reps every time I'm doing this. I'm doing 10 reps with each hand. So I'm doing that with 70 pounds. And so I do three sets of those.

And then once I get done with that, then I usually either do the sled or I'll do something else. I'll do like rounds on the bag. I'll do like something else. And is that, is that timed and all that stuff too? Or is it just- No. I like to give myself time in between sets because I want to be fully recovered before I get into the set again. I don't believe in...

I follow this Russian principle, this strong first principle, which is the most important thing is how much weight are you pushing in for how many reps. And-hmm, and it doesn't matter if those reps come over five minutes Or they come over 20 minutes and it's probably better if they come over 20 minutes and over five minutes Because you have a lot of time. I'll take five maybe even ten minutes in between sets So I'm fully ready to go and then when I'm doing the clean press with 70 pounds, and I'm doing 10 reps each side I'm no problem doing that. I'm not fatigued like I'm fatigued It's hard. It's difficult, but it's not where I'm like at the point of failure ever If I if my point of failure was 10 reps

I would do five right and then I would wait a long time and then I do another that makes sense Yeah, so I'm getting you never you're never getting to that point where you're pushing yourself to the point where you can hurt yourself or whatever. Never. Never. Never. That's all I do. I don't lift anything heavier than 70 pounds.

You don't need to, right? You don't need to. People think you do. I mean, it's one thing if you're a football player. If you're a power athlete and you need to do cleans and squats and deadlifts, that's great, but I don't need to do that. I just keep my body strong. And then I do my endurance work.

My endurance work is either sled pulling or it's a Tabata's on the air bike or it's rounds on the back. And then I get in the sauna. And the saunas, that's, that's, see, go in there right when you're tired. And you just step in that 195 degrees 195 in there for 20 minutes What's your cold plunge at 34 degrees? I would have a heart attack

Instantly I would be gone. I have mine ready. I have one and it's 50 it was 52 degrees It was 52 which. It was 52, which was, I was shaking man, but I would like, I would, I would just go in there. I was in there for 15 minutes though. I would do that. You don't need to go that long. You don't need to, but you can do that if it's 50. Yeah, you can, I mean, it's probably giving you the same result if you do 15 minutes at 50,

as you're doing three minutes at 34. That's probably giving you the same result or similar result. The whole idea is you freak your body out and produce cold shock proteins. And how does that compare to the chamber one where you get the air? Is it just like a, does that get you cold? You know the one where you just stand? Yeah, they're both brutal.

They're both brutal. I think the cold water is a different animal though. It gets in your bones more, right? You feel colder that like when you get out of that the The cryotherapy machine when you get out of there and then a couple of minutes you're like whoo you're okay You get out of that cold water like for a fucking half an hour. You're like Jesus But that was the way I would warm up

I would just go right into the body weight squats and the pushups. So that was my way of heating my body back up after the cold. But don't your joints feel just frozen at the cold? No, no, you're all right. You're all right. It means body weight, so it's not much weight.

So you're just kind of pushing. You could easily do 20 pushups. You just do the 20 pushups, take a break, do the 20 body weight squats, take a break. Heart rate drops back down, next set. 20 body weight squats, 20 pushups, next set. Do it five times, you've got 100. And then by that time I'm warm. And so then I'll do whatever the other workout is.

Maybe I'll jump rope, maybe I'll, depends on what I'm doing that. But I always write it out. If you write it, yeah, because if you write it out, you don't give yourself any room for fuckery. Because you know this is what I'm doing that right, but I always write it out You do write it. Yeah, cuz if you write it out you don't give yourself any room for fuckery Because you know this is what you have to do. It's all written out Like that's the boss the boss gets in there and writes it all out before the the ego steps in and they're like Let's eat them home once it's there. It's like you have better work out if you have some fruit first

Let's go have some fruit you had a better workout if you eat Yeah, oh you know what I have a window between three and four third fruit first. Let's go have some fruit. You get a better workout if you eat. You know what? I have a window between three and four, three. They're gonna have a really good workout then. And then right now, I'll just go watch TV. That's me. Yeah, that's everybody. But you just gotta have that boss in your brain.

Right. It has to be in control. And once you get it subdued like that much, it becomes, it's not that hard, right? The whole thing is momentum. The whole thing is doing, everybody that has ever had a good day You have a good day where you really get your shit Do they start feeling good about yourself and you go the key is just carry that forward and keep going and don't let yourself fuck off And if you do give yourself a day off

Recognize that just like an alcoholic that starts drinking again. This could be a slippery slope Oh, so if you give yourself that day off be real aware of what you're doing I'm like I self-sabotage like if I go I'm such a I'll start Monday again or I'll start tomorrow that that hope of starting the next day I have it so much. I remember like when I was training and Wideman said this to me. He goes when you you know, you're training and you, you know, get a flat, you know, you don't get out and fix the flat, you get out and pop the other three tires. Like you literally do, and I do.

It's like, once I go off, I go, ah, all right, I'm off. I'll start, you know, Monday. You need basis. Yeah, I do, I crush it. Yeah. I do. Yeah. Oh man, I would love to eat with you. You know that, but I'm saying like,

but you're right. And you can eat and do it in the right way, and I'm sure you enjoy food and... It's just you gotta... The boss has to be fully in control before you get a day off. And it is almost like sobriety in that way. You have to get so much momentum that you're fully confident that you could take a day off and just eat ice cream And there's nothing wrong with that if you do have a hold of it But even if that's that's got to be tempered though like you can't yeah, I noticed I can't I can't do it day off

Or I'm just crushing myself. It's like there's no coming back the day the next day you feel like shit 100% Yeah, you know, but the thing is you have Gone on schedule and gotten in shape before you have done it So you know you can do it So it's maybe even more frustrating than someone who's never done it. That's right because you have like dropped 60 pounds You have gotten in shape again, and I remember when you were training mits with Della grotto I was watching you hit the pass like you fuck when you got in shape for here comes the boom You got in fucking shape and you were training hard and I was watching some of those sessions, it's

like, so I know you can get to that spot. Right. It's just like maintaining. I know. That's the thing is maintaining. And now as I go, it's like God takes a little thing away from me, the bicep pull now, it's like, you know, it's a little, yeah, it's like, I gotta fight it, man. And like I said, I'm teetering. Teetering between that, you know, I gotta go back. I gotta go back. And you're right, man, it's... Yeah, you just gotta decide. And one of the best ways to decide is to write things down.

It's so easy to just keep a thought in your head and you don't really give it the, what it deserves. You gotta write things down occasionally. You have to really do. And I write down my workouts. I have a big whiteboard in my gym too. Just put it up there, write it up. Just write it down before you do it.

And give yourself a realistic goal. Don't be nutty with the point where the next day you're going to be a dead man. Give yourself a realistic goal. Daltry has, he was, get up, go for a walk. Just go for a walk for 40 minutes, you know, whatever. And it really, what happens is when I start walking, I'll start moving around, I feel good, I go, you know, whatever, and I start adding more, you know. And it's like, my goodness, then I start,

you know, wanting to throw, I'll get the egg weights, and I'll just start throwing with those, and just, I love it, I really, you know, it's something that is really addictive in a good way that like, you can, you know, once you start doing it, and it's a little bit, it's the pressure of, you don't have to do so much just do this yep and then yeah if you're your pressure is okay now you have to lift weights for an hour and then

go to a 90 minute yoga class and run a marathon like fuck that right it needs to be very realistic like you know we're gonna start off today you're gonna do 20 push-ups 20 body weight squats 10 cleans 10 cleans, 10 presses, you know, a couple of chin-ups and then you're done. That's a wrap. That's a 20 minutes. 20 minutes and never be exhausted. And then take the next day, you're going to do something different but equally light

and you do that for a couple of weeks. And if you ride it all out, it shouldn't take you more than even 20 minutes to work out. And you can get through 20 minutes. Just ride it all out, make sure you follow it. One of the best things for me is I have a TV in the gym and I'll put fights on. So I'll be watching fights. You get inspired watching fights and then you go through your routine and you're good. And as long as you write it out, and if you write it out and you know, I know I wrote

this down on paper, I have to do what this says. You're committing to it. Yeah down on paper I have to do with this committing to it. It's great. If you just hold it in your head. I'm gonna go work out What am I gonna do? Oh my fucking curl? Maybe I'll do some bench press you need a structure. You're right. You can give it to yourself. You're right. That's awesome, man All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'll do it in this documentary and we'll come back and I'm gonna show you that next time you're here I promise you'll be looking for houses. I promise work show you that I'm sorry. Next time you're here, I promise. You'll be looking for houses. I promise. We'll work out together. I love it. All right.

My man. It's good to see you, brother. I love you, man. I love you too. You're the greatest. Thank you for doing everything you're doing, man. My pleasure. You're awesome. It's a lot of fun.

It's great to see you out there killing it. I love it. All right. Bye, everybody. Thanks for watching!