The Joe Rogan Experience - #2123 - Gary Clark Jr.

Episode Date: March 22, 2024

Gary Clark Jr. is a Grammy award-winning blues guitarist and singer. Look for his new album, "JPEG RAW," on March 22.  www.garyclarkjr.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So how much of a relief is it to have the album done? You've been working on this for a while, huh? Yeah, it would be a relief if I got a chance to chill out. I just kind of mixed it, mastered it, mastered it again. That took a little while and I was supposed to go on vacation. I was gonna take a trip and go chill out and like think about it. And that took like, that didn't end up happening. So I just turned my phone off for like two or three days and then it was let's go talk about it and break it all down and you know, so

It's it's a relief. It's finally done, but it just it's kind of kept going So I haven't had a chance to like chill on it. Those breaks are important, right? Just vacation breaks just shut your brain off breaks. Yeah. Yeah, I don't Yeah, I really I really wanted that one I don't, yeah I really wanted that one. I really, really wanted that. Looking forward to those margaritas. I needed it. I just wanted to go be by myself. Just camp out in the woods by myself.

Oh really? Yeah, just be completely solo. Oh yeah. And just chill out, you know. I just made 40. I just wanted to go chill out and go, wow. You know, reflect and be like, wow, this first 40's been pretty cool. Like, what's gonna happen in the next? And it was like, boom, New York City, Tonight Show,

Questlove looking at me. I was like, this is not what the plan was. Yeah, sometimes you gotta force the plan and all those other people. Yeah, absolutely. You have a lot of people that make happy. Absolutely, but I'm also excited to do it. Sometimes if I get too comfortable,

I get comfortable just being comfortable. Right, and then nothing gets made. Yeah, I kinda like to get out there, get the nerves going, blood going a little bit. Yeah. Get out in front of folks and figure it out. Yeah. Well, that's a little bit of a vacation

from the creative process of making it, right? Because the process of making it, I mean, I know. You were locked up. Yeah. You locked yourself up. You do it. When you do it, you go all in. Well, I think I still care about this shit.

You can tell. I really care. People are like you know, people are like, what the hell are you making a whole album for? It's about singles. I'm like, I still like listening to a full record, putting a record down, you know, having the needle scratch the thing and playing it. And then, you know, flipping that other side

and seeing what's happening. I still like listening to a record from top to bottom. If there's anything that I've ever learned, it's that do what you like to do. It doesn't matter what the trend of the business is, just fucking do what you like to do. Right, yeah. Like albums make a fucking album.

Yeah, yeah, sure. And so yeah, that's what I did. I mean, I was locked in. A lot of it was by choice, too. You know, it was like, I just love being in a spot. I built a studio. I was like, well, why not fucking use it? Yeah. You know, so that's what I did. It's kind of to a fault. My wife was like, you gotta get out of there. You know, trying to hang with you, get me out of the house socialize me and stuff I was just I was just locked in you know just nerding out trying to

Make noise organize noise you know but the end is beautiful End result is beautiful. Thank you. Thanks so many layers to the music man. I got it last night They sent me a link But then the link needed a passcode and I couldn't get a passcode and then last night They sent me the link so while I was writing last night when I came from the store listen to the whole album Awesome. Oh man. There's so many the music the sounds like right off the bat. There's so many layers Yeah, it's like, you know, it's very You could tell it's so much thought into it It's very, you could tell there's so much thought into it.

There's a lot of smoke in the air. Yeah. A lot of mezcal. Yeah. A lot of Vino flowing. Yeah, it was just, and there was nobody saying, usually it's, for me, people expect a certain thing. I have talks

I don't know strings on the album stay away from singing falsetto stuff because your core fans don't like it And I was like, I just don't give a fuck like I didn't care I was it was a minute in the middle of Kovac. Yeah, so everybody's locked down. I was just like my phone was down Nobody was talking to anybody. I just got I got weird man. To me that is so crazy that anybody is around you that gives you that kind of advice. Well it's folks that are in the business and you know I guess people I've been I've been told that I'm not I'm I'm a hard act to put on a shelf you don't know where to put me so they don't know where to put me. So they don't know how to market or sell

this confused kid who plays power chords and listen to Nirvana who also loves Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre who thinks that Thelonious Monk is one of the baddest dudes on the planet who wants to play harmonica like Sonny Boy Williamson. They're like, what the fuck are you? You're Gary Clark Jr. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly.

But it's a weird time, you know? Like, just people wanna be able to call you something. And that's, you know, so they tried to do the whole next Jimi Hendrix thing, and that didn't really work out. I kind of rebelled on that. And they're like, oh fuck now, what? You know? So, here we are.

You know what I mean? It's um, but I you know There's no reason not to try shit all my favorite artists tried shit. Yeah, I mean, that's why I like You know Prince. Mm-hmm like Unapologetically Stevie one. Yeah, you know, that's also why I like hanging out with you motherfuckers cuz y'all just be trying shit You know, you know where the you know where the the wall is when you hit that motherfucker. Oh Well, the thing about our thing is we have to do it in front of people yeah, so it's me Stoned in front of a computer going. Oh, this is so crazy, right? Put it on my phone and then going alright. Let's see

Let's see what other people they'd see how it comes to life, but you can create all Kinds of magic alone That's a different thing well I might think it's magic and you never know I think it's magic till the thing drops So we'll see what happens, but yeah, I feel good about it. Thanks for listening man. Oh my pleasure You know I'm a fan dude I don't owe you a thing kicks off our fucking night almost every night at the mothership.

Woo! When we get in that green room, we get in that green room, we wanna get things poppin', that's, I don't know your thing, it's a fucking, that's a work of art. That's a classic. It's just kind of a rude, it's awesome. fuck y'all, I'm here.

Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome. Yeah, but congrats on one year man. Thank you. One year. Yeah, it's crazy. It's awesome. It flew by. It feels like we just opened. Y'all been doing it man. Word on the street, y'all are taking over. It's game changing. It's fun. For real. We got so many guys moved here now. Oh, I know. They're my neighbors now. Way out in the country. Well, that's the smart way my neighbors now. Way out in the country. Well, that's the smart way to live, man. I tell everybody.

I go attack it from the outside. Yeah. Tony Hinchcliffe, he likes living in the city. I'm like, that's great, everything like that. But you're going to go crazy. You want to be outside. Get that balance. When I lived in LA, I lived way outside of LA,

in the hills with coyotes and mountain lions and shit. I had to worry about hawks. Yeah. You know, those are like the things that I would think about I'd like just that quiet Just quiet and then get into the crazy and then get back to the choice. Yeah Like the way you're doing it's perfect live in that country. Just relax Yeah, when you get outside and drink a cup of coffee in your porch man, you just chill Just birds and shit. Yeah, beautiful grass and trees Yeah, I become such a fucking nerd brother

I've been sitting outside and like walking around my house. I've gone to the camera store I spent way too much money on camera gear Trying to capture the perfect clip to send National Geographic of the Mexican Eagles in my backyard Eagles not there with the crazy zoom lens Trying to get this shot Yeah, I spend way too much time out there, but you know, it's... So you got one of those big crazy nature lenses?

I'm that guy. Oh, wow. I think I might quit music and try and get a gig doing that. I'd get off doing that. Really? I'd get, yeah, I'm, yeah. That's a Mexican Eagle?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, what a cool looking bird. Yeah, man. It's got a toupee or something on it. Yeah, yeah. It's a tequila wig on it. Yeah, it's got a... Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Crested Carica. Yeah, yeah. It's a little weird. Yeah. Yeah. Crested caracaca.

Yeah, yeah. Is that how you say it? Cara, cara? Cara cara. Caraca. Yeah. Cara cara. Mexican eagle, what a fucking beautiful animal.

Yeah, yeah. You have those in your yard? Yeah, there's like, there's a family of like three of them. They swoop down and hang out all the time. I had a hawk try to sweep in on my chickens the other day. Chickens in the backyard and all of a sudden the chickens talking, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah,

flopping their wings and running around and I look and there's this hawk coming in, circling. You gotta watch out for those motherfuckers. I saw a hawk swoop up a kid and I didn't think about that when I moved out into the, this is on video or something. I don't know if this was fake. It's probably an eagle.

Yeah, but I was like, I didn't even think about having to look out for that in the country because the hawk came down and swooped up, or swooped down and got one of my chickens right in front of my boy who was like five at the time. He's like, what is that? I was like, woo, that's, you know, that's the world happening.

That's nature. That's nature. That's how it goes down in the real world. Exactly. Not this weird thing that we've constructed to insulate ourselves from it. And think that we're the most powerful. I mean, when you sit out there and you see a hawk swoop down and grab another sizable animal and just take off with it, you're like, okay. Okay.

It's not that safe. take off with it, you're like, okay. You know, okay. It's not that safe. I mean, I walk around out there on my property and there's been a couple of times where I've almost stepped on a rattlesnake. My wife and kids just stepped over a rattlesnake getting out of the truck right there in the driveway and there was a little baby rattlers.

They had no idea. I looked down, stomped on his head. I was like You know, you don't have to think about crazy things like that, you know going fishing my daughter caught a water moccasin Oh shit. Yeah fishing line. Yeah, she was all excited daddy. I got a snake Not that one not that one not the one you want. Wow. On a hook? Yeah, on a hook. It was like one of those little, like one of those little kid poses.

It's like Elsa or one of those little princess poses. Right, right. You know, reeling in Godmouse. Wow. Like nothing. Yeah. Country. I didn't know they bought, they bought on the line like that like they

Attacked bait. I didn't know that either Yeah, yeah, yeah, so come get some of that if you want to step out of the city, you know, yeah, yeah But uh, I love it though. Yeah, I did too. I love getting into the madness. I don't want to hate on it. I mean, I love wandering in. I love wandering around downtown with the camera, popping into certain spots and I check in on y'all, go to the blues spots and catch the madness

and got excited myself, shake it up a little bit and then just take it back home and get the zoom lens out and nerd away. Well, it's a good balance of different things. And if you wanna go see like live shit, like this town is so good for that, man. There's so much live performance going on. There's so much comedy, there's so much music.

Yeah. You know? Yeah, it's great. I like seeing the musicians watching the comics and the comics watching the musicians. I like that I love my music because I have no talent It's I love watching a thing where I have no talent in I've no I've never played anything So I watch them just like you're doing magic up there look at these guys doing magic I brought a guitar for you and at least

We're gonna teach you how to play an e-cord before I get out of here. Okay, I'll try yeah, I'll try it I've never even tried it. Well, that's the problem. Is that the problem? No, the problem is Here's the problem. Okay, I know my brain. Oh in my I have a dangerous brain I can't my brain can't get to interested in things because then it's all in and then it's like fuck eating Let's do this all day. I I can't my brain can't get to interested in things because then it's all in and then it's like fuck eating Let's do this all day. I so I've learned through all my years how to keep that wolf in a cage Mmm, and not to let it out. So that's why I don't play golf Got you because I'm addicted to pool. It's a real problem I play like a I could play like a hair under professional speed when I'm on when I'm really on I've been practicing for several hours

I could run I ran three racks the other day three racks in a row. That's big Quarter-inch pockets. Yeah, see that's the problem. Like I get like that with music. I would get like that with anything I get like that with golf for sure. I see Jamie. He's a full-on junkie He's a full-on junkie. he's got a simulator out there and I come here and like when I pull the car up he's driving balls into the simulator and mapping it out on a fucking computer obsessed obsessed with his club speed he's got fucking killer drive too you like set up to the whole sensor thing and I don't have all that yet yeah yeah yeah I've got some cool stuff

on the way I think I've watched it get you though that's what's interesting like when we first met you were not into golf like how many years ago did you get into golf when we got here when we got to Austin yeah so four years ago so in four years he's become a stone cold junkie got you so is henchcliffe stone cold junkie ron white I heard ron white's a junkie just also call a lot of people that they whatever the pandemic did the golf bug went around It was the only one thing she could do then that's not what I was playing but right I was but yeah It seems to me like it's one of those things that once you do it and you you do it and you start getting better

At it you just fucking love it and then everybody becomes an addict. I know very few people who dabble in golf You know a lot of people they'll play pool a little bit here and then but they don't get like fully addicted Golf people get just a deck. I don't get that. I'm scared of that too. I get that now You know understanding your own brain. I don't I don't gamble. That's it. I don't play golf Yeah, any of that because it's over for me. Yeah, it's already a problem with these stupid cameras My wife is like you're not a fucking what are you doing? But yeah, you are yeah, you are you are whatever the fuck you want to be I'm obsessed Yeah, I don't like people telling you what to do. Mmm that drives me nuts

When I hear people telling you what to do and giving you advice on music, just shut the fuck up. Everybody shut the fuck up and just market whatever he does. Yeah, well yeah, right. I did it, you sell it. But you know, the thing is, it's not people telling me what to do. It's meetings and suggestions. So I'm translating it as people telling me what to do. But it's suggestions. It's as much as they can do. As much as they can tell Gary Clark Jr.

how to make music, they're gonna give it a shot. Well. You know what I'm saying? It's just annoying. Exists in comedy too. They're always telling comedians, do this, do that, dress nice, do this, do that. Stop talking about COVID, stop talking about this.

You know, you'll lose 5% of the audience when you do this and 10% when you're like, shut the fuck up, shut up. Yeah, I was in a conversation the other day in New York talking about a set list and you should put this in this order and do this and I was like, you know what, y'all talk about it. I don't talk, I don't wanna, I'm leaving this conversation. I'm gonna go up on the roof, I'm gonna put some smoke

in the air, and then I'm gonna do my fucking show. Like, chill out, you know? Shut the fuck up. Tell you how to do a set list. Oh, it's funny. It's a funky business, you know? They're all like that, Gary. Yeah, yeah.

They're all like that. TV was like that. When I was on news radio, it was maddening. Cause here you have this guy Paul Sims This brilliant writer from the Larry Sanders show all these amazing cast members It's incredible writing staff and then you have the network. That's can you need a wacky neighbor, you know? He needed this you needed that, you know We need to have a hot girl that Dave's interested in there was always something like stay the fuck of this. Yeah. Stay out of this. Yeah. But they can't help themselves. Yeah.

And you have to listen to them because they're the executives. They're the people that have the money. Right. Okay. And you love doing the art. Exactly. You know. So it's this weird relationship. Mm-hmm. You know that's one of the best things about comedy is you don't really have that relationship with anybody anymore. We used to have it with TV but now that's all gone. Yeah, you guys can do whatever you want. Yeah, I was telling a Couple of guys I show up to the Comedy spot I you know you guys are nice enough to give me free drinks, and so I take advantage and then I start to Start to go off man you

guys are the real fucking rock stars you can just do whatever the hell you want nobody can tell you shit just go you just go and I'll put it I mean it is true you know it's you guys got a freedom that and in a creative space to say whatever you want at any time and that's cool it's inspiring you know it's fun it's especially at that place because that place is you know made for us by us yeah it's all ours we're the only ones who own it so nobody owns it but us like everybody else has to listen to us that's never been the case it's always been there was an owner and the manager is hired by the

owner and they give you the rules yeah so the rules are now like I go in the green room look what do you guys think and everybody just starts giving off opinions I think this I think that I'm like okay do it that way that's cool we all agree okay we'll do it that way that's amazing so because of that I would be able to just have it like a real safe haven it really is like a mothership yeah because everybody there goes and travels and does the road, but they come back home to home base. They come back to the mothership.

That's how you build a community. That's a prime example. Yeah, and it's just like everybody who comes here is looking for that too. And so then when they get it and they realize, oh, this is real. Like this isn't just like everybody wants that thing. You know, like, oh, I wish there was a place we could go.

We all just hang out together and every night just do shows and everybody's creatively inspiring everybody. And then once you actually have it, you're like, oh my God, it can be real. It can be real. Because we had it a little bit at the store. We had it a lot at the store in LA. But we also had owners who were great. We had managers, we the store in LA, but we also had owners and you know who are great

We had managers we had Hollywood agents would come there's always people's managers hanging around there was all these There's a lot of other stuff there You know and then there's also the Hollywood feel which is a different feel because What percentage of those people out there in the audience are in the business like a giant chunk at least half? people out there in the audience are in the business, like a giant chunk, at least half. At least half those people out there in that audience are actors or writers or producers or executives or someone who does something that has to do

with the business. Out here it's just folks. It's just folks. It's better that way. It really is. It's just people who just love the shit. Yeah, it's just fans, just comedy fans who just have all kinds of different jobs All kinds of different things they do with their life and they just want to come out and have a good time

It's awesome. Yeah, and it's just it's magical It's very cool. That's for me the absolute best thing that came out of the pandemic Number one moving here number two being able to set that place up Yeah, well, I mean, as a fan, I think that's one of the best things that come out of the pandemic, too. So here's cheers to you, man. Thank you. One year. Thank you, sir. Yes, indeed.

Yeah, it's exciting. We thought about doing one somewhere else, but I was like, you know, we really should do one. We should just doing for like the summer in Montana just find some Fucked up town in Montana have people fly into it just to a mothership in Montana Montana would be amazing. I love Montana Montana's amazing Montana would yeah that would blow up. Yeah. Yeah, we're Tony's like don't fucking do it Don't go to I'm not going to Montana. I'm like, come on. And Duncan was like, I'll get a house in Montana.

Let's go. Montana's beautiful. Duncan's thinking about doing mushrooms in the fields, stare at the stars. I'm with Duncan on that. I'm with that 100%. So yeah, that'd be cool. You thinking about expanding?

Possibly. Just, that was the only thought like just Buy some land in Montana Some weird town Montana just put a mothership up in the middle there see who comes It get interesting man. Montana's yeah, it's got some funky cool folks It does but you also have a lot of people that travel that's it's interesting too. That's one of the things we found out about this spot. It's not just like people in Austin that are coming to these shows.

It's people traveling from all over the world. So it's like, you could make, it's almost like a little Vegas residency type deal. It's become a destination. Yeah. It's about us. Yeah, if you could do that to a small funky town in Montana, if you only have like 120 seats,

you could get a lot done. Make it better. Yeah. Huh. Well, I'll be there. I'll be out there trying to learn how to fly fish, and I'll drop in on you. Fly fish is kind of fucked up because they let those fish go

most of the time. Well, which is a little weird. The hippie in me gets that. I get that too, but the hippie in me says, well, why catch them then? The hippie in me is that I get that too, but the hippie and me says well Why catch him then the hippie and me is like you just fucking with these fish? Yeah, it's like you're just trying to get the juice that feeling that you get when you catch a fish. Yeah, that wild feel I'm guilty. Oh god. Me too. I've done it. I've done catch and release. Yeah, especially bass fishing Yeah, yeah, I mean everybody catches and releases.

Absolutely. I got a little spot out of my house and we catch and release every now and then fillet them up, catfish or whatever, fry them up and stuff like that but for the most part just hang with my kids and learn how to you know be patient. Try to teach them how to just chill out. Yeah. Wait something. I know, when is the fish gonna bite? Yeah, when you shut the fuck up. Chill out. Yeah, that's my next quest that I'm probably scared of because a buddy of mine, Jacob Skiba, he's a guy I work with in the studio, producer, engineer.

While we were recording, he went out and has gone on a couple of fly fishing expeditions and he's kind of hooked. And so he's like, you gotta come out there with me. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then next thing you know, I quit playing guitar and I'm the guy fly fishing with the big zoom lens out there in Montana waiting for the mothership to open. Yeah, that's the thing is like when people say

that they get bored, I'm like, how can you be bored? There's so many things to do. There's so many things to do in this life. Absolutely. There's so many things to get interested in. You know, how can you be bored? To me, it's like, my problem is the total opposite. I just can't have more things that I'm interested in.

Yeah, I like to get to a feeling where I'm bored, or feel like I have time to be bored. Because I can, you know, invest my time in certain things like photography, or you know, gave me an outlet to go chase something down and for better or for worse I feel like fulfilled like I'm learning a new skill I'm challenging myself it's I'm never satisfied there's so much to know right there's so much to do but I'm like a hands-on guy so it's like you know if I'm bored playing guitar I'll try and figure out something on piano if I'm bored playing piano like I have bagpipes

I don't know why I have bagpipes, but just in case I get the time to get bored Maybe I'll figure out how to play bagpipes. Yeah, you know just weird shit Well, it's something about learning a new thing that excites a part of your mind that doesn't get excited any other way Because once you already know how to do something then you're just kind of practicing that thing that you already do and you're very comfortable with it It's a normal thing that you do, but when there's a new thing, it's like what how does this work? What's this lens? What happens when I turn left? Oh shit. Yeah, right and they're like, okay. What is the aperture? What does that mean? Like what's exposure time? How much what is it? So at nighttime you set it different And then you start getting into the books and into the weeds and you know, I got like that with archery

I nerded nerded out hard archery. So I know so much shit about archery Yeah, but there's so many layers to that too. Like there's people that like my friend John Dudley I'll talk to him about I don't even know what the fuck he's talking about. Right? He's talking about torque lean and you know Torque setting bows and like what torque tuning what? I've I've got a my brother-in-law is really into but I think I hit you up And I was when I was over there in Australia. He was like hit up Joe But yeah, he's really into that my mom's real into archery. Really? Yeah. My mom, my mom, I'm gonna put you out there. My mom doesn't mind being in a smoky room. She started playing drums and she's into archery now.

Wow. Yeah. She's out here getting it. Playing drums and shooting bows and arrows. Fuck yeah. Yeah, it's really badass. That's badass. Wow. Mm-hmm. Yeah, archery is an addictive thing too because at the moment when you're aiming at the target and you're at full draw, it's impossible to think of anything else. It requires so much concentration that the world goes away and you have this like insanely narrow focus. The insanely narrow focus is the place where you want that arrow to go.

And all these different things have to be in order. Your scapula has to be aligned. Your elbow has to be high. Your right arm has to be pulled back. Your left arm has to be locked and stabilized. You have to release your hand, so you're just pushing with the palm of your hand. No movement of your hand whatsoever. And then you have to relax the shoulders somehow while

extending fully and all the while you have to fight anxiety don't want to pull it quick you want to make sure you just get it locked in there so when all that is going on there's nothing else in the world like if I'm I got a lot of things on my mind I'm too busy I'm too this I'm stressed out I just go out there with some arrows and then within 20 minutes I feel great yeah my only time to think about other bullshit is while I'm walking over to the target and get my arrows yeah pulling the arrows out and then back to what I was doing start sprinting to that motherfucker yeah if I could just keep firing target never have to go get the arrows, there would be

no thinking at all. I get that. I can kind of relate that to playing guitar in a way. You can't, in order to, you know, it's kind of a precision that your hands got to work in sync and coordination and you gotta be precise with it or else it kinda all falls off the rails and you can't really think about anything else. It's not like you can be on the phone and play guitar

or something, you can send emails back and forth. You can't really be in conversation with people. You just have to be locked in to execute. Yeah. You know? And you know which shots are better than the others. You know which chords are played stronger than the others. You know which notes are gonna sting, you know what I mean?

It's like, that's the note, you know? Bullseye, motherfucker. Yeah. I can kind of relate in that way. You can't, you can't, it's like flow state. Yeah. Check out, you know, you gotta be there.

You have to put in 100% or else you're not gonna be great. I think that's a lot of things in life. I think there's a lot of things in life that people gravitate towards because I think there's a great value in having a thing that takes the rest of the world away. That thing could be golf, look at this for Jamie, it could be anything, whatever it is.

But there's a real value in having a thing that takes the world away. I think it could be golf, look at this for Jamie, it could be anything, whatever it is. But there's a real value in having a thing that takes the world away. I think so, I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my name would have been, I would have had a lot longer rap sheet if I hadn't found guitar at a young age, I think. You know, just being lost, confused. So many people out there.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, if I hadn't found martial arts, oh, god damn. You know, just being lost, confused. So many people out there. Yeah, if I hadn't found martial arts, oh, god damn. I have no idea what would have happened to me. It was the only thing that I had ever done that made me feel like I wasn't a loser. I was like, all of a sudden, I found a thing that I know, that I can do. And if I just go all in.

So that's why I have this problem with getting addicted to things, because that was the first one that I really got really addicted to. And then it just sort of transmuted, it changed just the way I interact with everything. Did you have a good experience off the bat? Did you notice that you were a winner immediately? Not immediately, but pretty quickly.

I had an aptitude for it. I understood it. I understood like distance. I understood like how to hit things hard. There was like and it was the exciting thing about it like you're moving targets they're moving at you you're moving at them. Like this, like solving this puzzle of human reflexes and instincts and flinching at them and fainting them, getting them to react and then gauging what that reaction is going to be. Different ways to set things up. It's like it's so multi-layered and multifaceted. And when you're young, you're so fast, like you can move so quick. It's exciting, and you learn so quick too. Sure.

You know? Yeah. So it's just, you see instantaneous reward. Because if you're learning something while your body is growing, it's the best. Because your body grows into these movements. So your body has like a built-in way of doing these things from its, like literally from the ground up. Once you're a grown man and you try to teach a grown man like kickboxing, that's like, oh, OK.

You know, you're just like so accustomed to doing certain things with your legs. You get these grown ass 30 year old man legs. And I'm going to try to teach you how to throw a spinning back kick. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I haven't signed up yet It's worth doing it just for fun though sure and it's that's another thing like when you're doing that You ain't thinking about if you're sparring or if you're you know doing jujitsu training You're not thinking about anything else. You cannot think about anything else You just fully locked in to this thing that you're doing. that makes sense man I wish I'd grown into my body while playing basketball

because I'm six foot four and a whole waste of space I have a 15-foot jumper that I'm pretty confident in but I have no no handles. I'm like, you know, I just, it's a waste. People ask me, you play basketball? Nope, didn't get that. And I tried, man. I tried, I had friends who had the shoes where you could build your calves for jumping, and I was out there doing drills,

walking around with weights and all that shit. I was really trying to get there, man. Like, I got no hops, no court awareness. It just wasn't my thing, bro. I'm like, deer in headlights on the basketball court. It's embarrassing, bro. But yeah, so I tried to get out there with my kid now. He plays basketball and I'm struggling.

My knees are popping. I don't know. I'm like, no. 40-year-old reality. Yeah, man'm struggling, my knees are popping. I'm like, damn. 40 year old reality. Yeah, man, like damn. I didn't, yeah, that wasn't my forte. But hey, you can't be everything. No, you cannot be everything.

And if you try to be everything, you'll be nothing. I agree. Yeah, you just, it's not, you gotta pick lanes. Sure. You can have a couple lanes But you can't have too many in each lane will take away from the resources that that other lane has available. I agree, I agree, that's That's why I try and tell my wife all the time I can't focus on that right now

Yeah, I'm trying to stay in my lane people though Don't have to do that don't understand it Like sometimes people come to me with like business stuff, and I'm like this is not I can't talk right now Yeah, I've got shit going on. I'm busy. Yeah, let's talk about this when it's absolutely necessary and never a minute before that part Yeah, say it again loud for the ones Didn't have the volume up Yeah, eventually we could talk about this but not now. Seriously, man. They'll try to talk to you about important shit right before a show.

This is so crazy that you're doing this. Like you don't even understand what you're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really. Yeah, that's one of my biggest issues with doing shows. And there's like some sort of business element involved. Cause when you're out just on the road with your touring crew or whatever,

there's not that those conversations, it's not those talks, everybody kind of gets it, reads the room. Then you have folks who come in and go, hey, I was thinking about this idea with this company. It's like you have folks come in and go, hey, I was thinking about this idea with this company. It's like, the tour manager comes in and goes, five minutes, and I was like, I'm trying to get my monitors

on, I'm trying to talk with my boys, I'm trying to, you know. And they're just selfish. Yeah. Captive, you're a captive audience. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, man, get the fuck up. I finally got you a loan, I wanna talk to you about this cryptocurrency.

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What do you I want you be an artist? Yeah, right? Yeah Yeah, I like about you dummy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I like about you I like it. You don't know any I like that you're out there just being wild Yeah, have's what I like about you. I like it. You don't know anything. I like that. You're out there. Just being wild Yeah, have a good fucking time. I have a bunch of people that do that shit for you, man Don't get involved. That's the that's the scary part when they say I saying don't worry about that. Just be an artist It's like nah motherfucker. Yeah, I'm gonna be at your office tomorrow early in the morning Let me see that spreadsheet. What's going on? Yeah, well, that's a true That's a that's a story as old as time.

The artist that's been ripped off, didn't even know they were getting ripped off. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely true. It's, you know, there's things that I've had to learn in the business, you know, not to get into too much, but yeah, there's definitely things that you aren't looking for or looking out for and people don't necessarily tell you

because you're not able to be in those rooms to have those conversations, so things kinda slip by you. It's like you and your homies trying to figure this out. It's like your boy who's an attorney, you know, went to UNLV but doesn't know anything about entertainment law, it's like, you know, doing your contract. It's like, oh, you know what I'm saying? It's like, ugh.

Yeah. Yeah, so there's just things that you got to figure out, but you just got to keep your eyes and ears open and ask questions. The worst one is when someone has a legit manager and then their friend is like, bro, I can be your fucking manager. Uh-huh And you're like, yeah, man, you know, you're like a brother to me man. I trust you Yeah, that's the that's That one goes sideways 50% of the time. That's it five zero. You got one

of the time. That's it. Five-zero you got one out of two chance of that thing going completely sideways. Yep absolutely. And so many guys go that way. You know Mike's managing me now. I got a new manager. Yeah right. That's my wife. My wife's manager. What? What are you doing? Get a professional. Yeah. Get's only knows the fuck they're doing. Absolutely man. You do that all that bro shit, you know that You know things start to get funny Yeah, that relationship starts to get funny, but yeah dudes develop entourages That's a wild one man speaking of entourages. I had to talk, I had to just tell him my dad is Going crazy. Oh, no, I love my pops but I

Mean he shows up to my shows and this dude all of a sudden is sitting courtside at Spurs games He shows up to my shows with like 30 folks 30 deep he's got a table at the Moody Theatre He's living his best life. He's got a table at the Moody Theater. He's living his best life. He's just squatted up around town. People talk to me about him all the time. My dad is out here getting in at Austin, Texas. It's pretty funny.

Wow. But yeah, he's like, my pops is a superstar out here. That's awesome. Yeah, that's good. He's having a good time. Just having fun. Yeah, enjoying it. Yeah.

You know, it's definitely enjoying Yeah, enjoying it. Yeah. You know, it's definitely enjoying having a kid who's known around town. Yeah. That's good. Oh, man, he must be so proud. Yeah, he's getting a little bit ridiculous.

Showing up 10, 15 deep. Aunt Dorage. Hit me up. Hey, man, can you get me into this spot? How many people you got a couple? When Dave rolled when Dave Spell came to the mothership he came with three SUVs He's got yeah like three escalates filled with people How do you fit anywhere? Oh man? He's got family. He's got friends. Yeah fellow fellow comedians musicians

Like he just travels with people. He loves it It's like a party everywhere. He goes. I get that. Yeah He hasn't managed well, he has good people with him, you know, he knows what he's doing But it's like the way he's got it set up is it's pretty fun. Yeah, it's all just every day's a good time Get it get a IV Vitamin IV trip. Yep. I was around for that. I was around. Yeah, we actually, yeah, I was definitely around for some of those fun times. Just good hanging with that crew.

Yeah, that's a dude that's an entourage. That's an entourage. I get that. I get it. Yeah, I could never be that guy. I like to roll solo. I like to just kind of be on my own. I can make my own decisions. If I want to pivot, go left. I can go left.

If I want to go right, I can go right. Yeah. It don't necessarily have to. Maybe that's selfish of me and kind of a lone wolf. No, it's probably smart because it gives you time to think. I think the problem with Dave is he's so famous, he can be alone. Oh yeah, yeah.

He can't just show up somewhere, all of a sudden he won't be alone. There'll be a giant crowd of people like, oh my God, Dave Chabot! They'll just go crazy. Absolutely. I can't believe you're real. I get that.

Can I take a picture with you? I get the every now and then, dude who plays guitar, he's like, man, I've been watching you for, you know, since I was a kid. Or the like really drunk, like older lady who wants to like kiss on me, you know, while I'm hanging out waiting for some to-go food or whatever. It's like, that's kind of my, that's my interaction.

That's good. That's a good level of interaction Yeah, that's a certain level like a Dave Chappelle level. I think it becomes unmanageable Yeah, I was having a conversation with cat cat Williams about that like he asked him to come to the club He's like I don't do clubs Nervous being around all those people like they're too close to me. I was like you got too famous. Yeah, you got too famous Yeah, yeah, Yeah. He has to have an entourage. Yeah I mean I get that. I get that. That's a perspective that I don't know anything about. Yeah. I'm just speaking from a dude who you know a small community

of music folks. Yeah. You know I can move around but. It's perfect. Yeah. It's pretty good. The way you ask perfect. I know. It's good. But I it's pretty good. The way you asked, perfect. I know, it's good. But I want these people to buy millions and millions of records to fill up arenas. At the same time. Right, exactly. I think I've kind of fucked myself. I should have gone like the Gorillaz route or like Daft Punk or something like that where you're in a mask.

You know what I mean? You can just show up anywhere. That's true, right? Gorillas can just hide. Yeah. Kiss had that forever. Sure. You know, I remember when Kiss took their makeup off,

everybody was like, oh! What year was that? Like the 80s, I think. Yeah. I think it was the 80s. It was Kiss unmasked. I couldn't imagine, like, oh my God. They used to be able to go around town. So they would go out and like they would like I remember Gene Simmons was dating Cher and

he would go out but he put a bandana on like he's during COVID times. Alright. Yeah. So we almost got a picture of him. So there's like half blurry pictures of someone's side of their face with their hand up. That's all you got a kiss. That's cool I kind of miss those days of that mystique comic for it. Is that really great? Yeah, see how he's wearing the bandana. That's how you used to go around town. He used to wear a bandana You know ridiculous that is it's 1980. Yeah

Yeah, I was in I was like going into high school when they did that. Oh damn Yeah, I was in I was like going into high school when they did that oh damn What a crew man what a They didn't get the love they deserve because people had already thought it was corny to have makeup on for some reason They didn't have real hit records that were like did their songs didn't play on the radio that much if they played on the radio It was rare You don't think so well I I kind of grew up this kiss being a household name. Oh yeah, well they were huge They sold millions of records they sold out arenas, but they weren't getting love on the radio

It was just fans and there was a thing that were like people would be embarrassed to be a kiss fan really yeah Yeah, you'll be embarrassed other kids make fun of you why cuz you like those idiots of makeup on fuck is wrong with you Boy, bro kisses the shit Doesn't even seem like a thing now now. It's not yeah, but you have to realize like in the 1980s It was a thing right yeah, but would mock you if you're in a kiss. And then they became cool again. They became cool again somewhere in the 90s when they started going on tour again with makeup.

So they were gonna do one last final tour they decided, but that was bullshit, they just kept going. Everyone does a last tour, so last, last, last, last. That's those marketing guys. I'll tell you what Gary yeah this is your final tour this is what I'm saying he doesn't have to be really fun or horrible sell it as your final tour yeah we're gonna milk the shit out of people are gonna love it yeah very excited to go see the last

time Gary's gonna become a photographer he's just really gotten into photography we're gonna have to respect that we're gonna have to respect his wishes but this is his last tour. Don't Gary, don't quit. Don't go into pictures. Don't go into pictures. Don't go into photography, Gary. Don't do it. But it's just...

So Kiss came back in the 90s and I went to see him with Kevin James. Me and Kevin James went to Kiss when they came back. We were like, this is amazing. Is that in Hollywood? I think it it was I think it was in LA It was incredible. It was incredible with the makeup on all the shit fire man. Those guys really turned Rock and roll into like entertainment. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, like it was every single aspect of the show from the costumes to

the pyro, the timing, the crazy antics to just, I mean, and then selling it like this big huge thing with the merch and the dolls and the crazy shit. It was like, I mean, it was, they made it known that Kiss was a fucking thing and they had the fans I guess to To push it, but they had a one hour long TV show Where it was like a movie like a made-for-tv movie. It was kiss and the Phantom of the Park In the middle of it like three-quarters of the way into the show the fucking power went on at my house. I was like no I Can't believe

Can't believe it shut off. It's just the power shut off. I was like this is so fucked This is kiss in the Phantom of the Park. It was like a real corny made for TV movie How long were you waiting for this? made for TV movie. How long were you waiting for this thing? Well, when you were a Kiss fan, first of all, you had to find out from like the newspaper. Yeah, yeah. Like how did you even know?

Or you had to read the TV guide, like what? Kiss has got a movie? And it was maybe the dumbest movie that's ever been made. It's pretty dumb. It's so dumb. I mean, like, look at at this it's so corny oh yeah I might have to go back and watch it now it's so corny it's literally so ridiculous it's so bad so so they're

out here whooping ass what are they fighting crime or what? Oh yeah they were superheroes they became superheroes for a while. I did not know this It was one of the dumbest movies it's ever been made some of my favorite shit to watch is the dumbest shit So this is so dumb. It might have been made by the Chinese. They might have done it to subvert American institutions. They might have done it to try to ruin young minds and just lower the standards of what is acceptable to the point where, you know, they can invade. I mean, that's a power move for sure. That's what they're doing right now. That's a power move. Oh. That's what they're doing right now with TikTok. Man. I firmly believe that. Russia and China are just fucking us sideways.

I'll tell you right now, man. I've been having conversations about music and sharing music and the way to be on TikTok. Like it's the way to like get everybody to this crazy fucked up weird place. It's like, fucked up, weird place. It's nasty in there. Well, it's something that people are not designed to manage. They don't know how to manage it.

They don't know what that experience is. It's new to the human anatomy. To have some thing that you're staring at, that you keep in your pocket, that carries 20 hours of battery life, and you're just flipping through things all day long, just giving a little tiny drip of dopamine every time.

Yeah. Not much, just enough to keep you interested. And just flipping through that fucking phone all day long. It's changing the way people view things. It's changing what's acceptable. Yeah, absolutely. I've noticed that it changed me when we were sitting down for a little while, because I was just in my phone.

That was the only way that I was getting the information. I wasn't hanging out with people. Yeah, it changes your anxiety levels. That's what I realized. I realized it changed my anxiety levels. I was not sleeping. I was drinking a lot more than I normally would, just because I was like overthinking shit.

Yeah, that was COVID too kovat to though the isolation And that's it. I'm not saying that this is what they did But if you wanted to do that if you wanted to turn a population into a bunch of cowards One of the best ways to isolate everybody isolate everybody get them scared Give them one solution to get out of this thing everybody else against that solution is the enemy and they're gonna stop us from getting back to normal. Oh absolutely. And that's not, you could do that through social media, especially through Twitter,

better than you can with anything. And it's just, it's a weird way to get information. I broke my phone once, I was in Hawaii with my family and I dropped my phone. It just started making phone calls. I would go, look at this. I was showing my wife, I go, look at this. I hang up, call someone else. Hang up, call someone else. I was just calling people. Wouldn't stop calling people. So I had to shut it off and I had to get a new phone,

but it took three days for the phone to get there. So for three days I had no phone. Because every time I turned my phone, I would just start calling people. So for three whole days I had no phone. And it was, I was like, ooh, I feel so much better And then and then part of me was like, you know what fuck phones You just have a phone and have nothing up. Nope. Oh went right back to it. Yeah. Yeah Instagram right back to Twitter right back to YouTube. I know back to Google. I know

Right back. I know I did the same shit person sends me a meme. Oh shit. Yeah, it's over. Yeah, it's over Yeah, you're back in the game man. Someone says me a funny video. I got a sign back up for Instagram Let me see this. Oh shit. Yeah, I got your same problem. I got your same problem. I gotta just I have to Consciously just leave it. Yeah. Well, I have one phone that has nothing on it I have one phone that has no apps doesn't have anything on it. So someone sends me I got to send a link to my other phone Nice and most of the time I don't click that link. There's the hack That's the hack at least has cut me back about 30% for sure They're gonna send a paying attention to shit unless someone says you have to seize this. This is insane

Okay, I can use that 30%. Yeah, I'll use it on my 30% now. I'm gonna use that. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That way also you can cut down on the amount of people that have your phone phone. You got your phone, then you got your phone phone. Yeah.

And the phone phone is like, this is the one that like 20 people have. That's the way to go. Yeah, I was doing that for a while. When I lived in New York, I was doing that for a while when I lived in New York. I was I was doing that and then I just got I was wearing skinny jeans and I couldn't do the skinny jean to phone thing and Wallet and my keys. It was ridiculous. You need to accept the fanny pack in your life. Well, look I've showed up with the satchel. I'm converted.

Satchel is the artist version of the fanny pack. The fanny pack is saying I don't give a fuck. The fanny pack is like I'm a nerd. I'm a loser. I don't care. I do not care. I'm not ready for that yet, Joe. Well in Texas you see people carrying fanny packs. a lot of those fanny bags have guns in them Especially those big ones. Oh, yeah, I know where I'm at There's a reason you see that dude with a fucking bass pro shop hat and a fucking flannel t-shirt on yeah, yeah that guy Yeah, is that fanny pack? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, don't try origin boots on. Yeah that dude That's there's something in that that's a heavy fanny pack mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, don't try origin boots on yeah that dude That's there's something in that that's a heavy fanny pack. I just see them cats, and I just go yeah That's why I see people out here getting rust awesome to getting road rage the other night at South by Southwest, bro

Bro, this guy jumped out of his car, ran to the car in front of him, started yelling at the driver. I was like, do not do that, sir. I do not want to watch you get shot. They got to be from out of town because you can't do- South by Southwest. Yeah. Yeah. You can't do road rage shit, bro. No. You cannot. No. It goes south too quick. People don't fuck around out here. They don't fuck around and they also don't know you. They watch too much YouTube too. They're watching too much Instagram too. They're seeing all the fucking riots and craziness and people getting pulled out of their cars.

Everyone's seen those videos of someone getting fucked up in a some sort of a road rage situation. Yeah. Any sense of a threat people have hair triggered like real quick. Road rage in particular because everybody's people don't understand I've said this ad nauseam, but I'll say it again when you're in a car. You're hyper alert because you're going fast There's all these things around you and you always have to be ready so your brain is at a 7 already Yeah, so when someone cuts you off. It's like motherfucker. That's why like on the street if someone gets in front of you on the street It means nothing Because you don't have to worry about crashing sure there's no fear of this person stepping in front of you on the street, it means nothing. Because you don't have to worry about crashing.

There's no fear of this person stepping in front of you. It means nothing. Like I have no worry that I'm gonna crash into this man in front of me and we're both gonna die. But when you're in a car and some guy changes lanes in front of you, like, motherfucker dude, what are you doing bitch? Roll down the window, you fucking idiot.

And then you see him at the stop sign, you jump out of your car, oh dude. Don't do it. Yeah, I'm guilty of, yeah, I'm yelling at people in my car. As long as you stay in the car. But yeah, I will mother fuck somebody with the windows up. Yes, that's fine.

But, normal, that's normal behavior. Yeah, and then I get to the light and I just give him a look like, you know I saw what you did. I'm just acknowledging that I'm not down with the bullshit. Yeah. I just want you to know that I saw you. I don't want no problems, but just check, check.

Come on, man. It's a come on, man. And if it's a reasonable person, that person's's like what the fuck that I do that for yeah It's a reasonable person my favorite though is when they just keep looking forward. Yeah Feel this I know you could feel this Well, it's interesting watching the Texas culture get invaded by the California culture See it in how they drive. Yeah people that are cutting people off and you know Rushing to nowhere you see it in how they drive. I notice it. I avoid I avoid certain streets. Yeah based on that

Some like where the fuck did y'all come from man? Well that was South by Southwest South by Southwest basically like LA comes to Austin Yeah, you know yeah, yeah, I yeah, I stayed away for the most part. I had a couple of events during South by but I Love my city But that shit has just gotten crazy. Those festivals are nuts. It's wild. I used to have this one parking spot that people thought was a handicapped spot, but it wasn't.

It was right on the line. And I figured this out from years of spending way too much time wandering around on 6th Street. And I remember one year they took that spot away and I was driving around for like an hour and a half looking for parking. I was like, fuck this place, man. This ain't my city no more. I love you Austin, but yeah, I was like,

ah man, the game has definitely changed. While we were driving to the club last night, we looked up, we saw five skyscrapers being built. There's five skyscrapers being built right now. Although I know all those folks who are building on this stuff, I know them. They're like my neighbors and shit. So they like come blow the city up and then come back to the country.

Yeah. But there's so many apartment buildings being built. It's happening. Yeah, it's wild. I've never seen a city grow like this. I haven't either. I haven't either. But I think it was inevitable.

I mean, I think it was just one of them things. What's too good? Well, yeah. It's just too much of a gem. I blame you a little bit. A little bit. I'm responsible. Uh-oh.

I know I'm responsible for at least 20 or 30 comedians. Yeah, no absolutely. Which is amazing because you know that's my favorite shit is you guys being down the street and come hang. But yeah it's the city has grown in a way that is somewhat unrecognizable to me. Like everything that I kinda grew up on, grew up with is, you know, all my spots I used to hang out in are gone now. And I saw I was saying something to my old man the other day. He was like, man, shut the fuck up.

He's like, I've been here my whole life. And what do you think that I think? What do you think that I've seen? It's just, change is inevitable. If you look at pictures from 1836, it's not the same spot. You know what I mean? So it's just, it's what's happening right now. It's a crazy time to be a part of it and see it up close,

cause I'm watching my little town, seeing familiar faces all of a sudden. It's like this new energy, there's new folks around, there's new business, there's a new business sense here. It's cool and business sense here. It's cool and funny and funky. It's just change happening. I'm in the middle of watching it. Yeah. Yeah.

I was hanging out with Elon at the very beginning of the pandemic, like whenever it was scared to be inside. And I was telling him my plans to open up the club and all that stuff. Yeah. And we were just talking about Austin. He was like, Austin's gonna go supernova. Yeah.

He was right. Yeah, he was right. Yeah. Called it. Yeah, he called it. But it's still manageable. It's still, like the traffic is nothing compared to LA. Man, I like it.

I like that there's new shit here. You know, in a city that I grew up in, and you're looking for some excitement, it's like it comes to you. You don't have to go look for it. Just get in my car and come see some new shit. It's exciting for me. It's all my favorite stuff happening around here too.

I think it's good. I think it's overall good. And also I think that the people that are moving here are embracing This new life. They're embracing like it's a new city. It's a new vibe new way of behaving People are more friendly So I think people will adapt to that when people move to an environment they adapt to that environment You know they move to an environment they adapt that environment, you know, they move to this town They sort of take up the energy of the town and this town already has like an established energy

Yeah, I'm a little I'm still concerned about the driving though Because they're getting aggressive Yeah, different they drive different. It's a little different. Yeah, it's a little different. But yeah, I mean, yeah, you move to a place that you love the energy, I suppose. It takes a little while to adapt. I mean, I'm just watching it happen. I'm watching it happen. It's cool to me.

The tech people I worry about more than anybody, because they're not artists. Like the tech people moving here, what they've done to San Francisco Oh those people with that those wacky woke ideas. I'm not even thinking about that Yeah, that's gives a shit out of me because there's a lot of them I mean look at that giant ass fucking building that they built that's a Google building right our Facebook building which one is it? Which one's the sale that cool sales Google Google?

They put a giant ass building right on the lake. I Don't even know if I noticed that it's a giant-ass building right on Cesar Chavez But then they just fired like 15,000 people so I think that place is mostly like vacant Did they just overshoot I think they over should that's it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a dope building So I think they overshot and I also think the reality is AI is coming and There's so many people that are working in tech that will not have a job in five years, right? The job will be nonsense. They'll be like, you know

Asking a person to make steel beams in his backyard with a fucking hammer and a pot Like no, why would we do it that way? That's a stupid way to do it, right? We have steel mills stupid Why would I let you make your own girders, yeah, you know, that's dumb sure it's dumb It doesn't make any sense like what we can do now AI is gonna be able to do better more efficiently much quicker cheaper yeah no hiring people no worrying about insurance or any of that shit they have to worry about with people 401k plans yeah all that shit's gone out of here and this is some of the Andrew Yang was talking about when he was running for president and I guess it was 2020 he was talking about that and he was right he was right that president and I guess it was 2020. He was talking about that. And he was

right. He was right that there's some things that are happening. Was that 2020 or 2016 with Andrew Yang? I don't remember. 16. And he was very concerned even back then. So this is eight years ago. He's saying like AI is coming. And when it it comes that's why he was pushing for universal basic income. So that's why he was booked pushing for universal basic income. He was saying look there's gonna be so many people that there are no jobs. Like if you're a truck driver you have 10 years. In 10 years everything will be automated. There'll all be those giant electric trucks. They'll all be run by a computer. They'll never get in accidents.

And they never get tired. And then you never have to worry about them doing meth and picking up hookers or going crazy, falling asleep at the wheel, driving into a fair. That's what makes the best cops episodes. That's a world, huh? That truck driver world? Yeah. That's a world, huh? That truck driver world? Yeah.

That's a world of wild folks. Well, you know, we tour on buses and we got to fuel up at the same places where they do. And yeah, it's a funky world out there. It's a funky world. A lot of dudes on amphetamines doing 12 13 hour runs just wide eyes Huge pupils just script listen to fucking conspiracy theories on the radio. We had one of them drive us Yeah, yeah Yeah, crash the bus. Oh, no, really? Yeah. Yeah. Well not crash the bus but like kind of ran the bus into He ruined the bus.

He was all doped up and super drunk. Oh no. Yeah, and we didn't realize he was going through any of this talking stuff. So we were leaving the gig one night and sure enough, he pulled the bus and crashed it into the gate. Oh no. Had to grab this motherfucker.

So he was fucked up at the gig? Yeah. So he got fucked up at the gig? Yeah. So he got fucked up while the show was going on? Yeah, I think he'd just been going for, I guess, maybe a bit, we had a couple days off I think, in a certain city. The dude was just gone, I guess he just got into it and said fuck it. He just hit the fuck it button. I was like, fuck all this shit, I don't care.

Just hit the fuck it button. It's like, man, fuck all this shit. I don't care. Yeah, that's a danger, right? Because you just trust in this dude. And it's not like you're going to drug test him every day. No. He's a driver. You trust him.

He's a professional. Yeah, he's got a resume. People have recommended him for years and years and years. He does his job. You do your job. How you doing, Frank? I'm going to sit down on the bus. Yeah.

Meanwhile, Frank is just gone. We didn't. Do do do do do do do do do. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. Frank is on Coke and tequila and ah! Yeah, I've been at the hotel lobby bar just going after him all day long. Wow.

Yeah, shows up, he's like, hey, Ryds here. Oh boy. I got this, hey, Rydes here. Oh boy. I got this. I got this. We just met him I guess at the wrong time. Yeah, you could have caught him a month earlier, everything would have been fine. It's a balancing act for a guy like Frank. I think about those truck drivers, man,

and bus drivers who drive at all funky weird times at night. It's a lonely life. Yeah, absolutely. It's a lonely life. If you have a family too, you're sad. Sure. Your family's at home, it's 12 hours of driving to get back there.

And then you're only there for a little while, you gotta go back again. Yeah. Man, that's what kinda has been my my problem with touring the way we've been touring Is being gone. Yeah multiple times Yeah for long periods of time during the year. I only did that once I only did the the month thing once me and Charlie Murphy and John Heffron we did this Bud-like real men a comedy tour once.

Well, we did 22 dates in 30 days. And we were just out basically every night. I'd wake up in a hotel room, where am I? Where am I? I forgot where I am. And after that, I was like, I'm never doing that again. Like, Tom Segura, that crazy fuck, he'll do like 60 dates in a row.

He'll be gone for two months, where he has a show almost every night. And he's just going all over the place. The name of his tour was I'm Coming Everywhere. Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant.

But you know, that's what he was doing. Yeah, literally. Everywhere. Yeah, everywhere. Everywhere. That's, I was doing. Yeah, literally. Everywhere. Yeah, everywhere. Everywhere. I mean, I get that. I would love to do just weekend fly dates, do stuff like that,

but I got a whole band in production and my band is getting bigger. So, you know, that's like, I've gotta do it, but I decided this time I'm just gonna bring my family with me and just have them grow up out on the road instead of. You did that for a while, right?

You took your son when you were in Europe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I took him out there. That's gotta be a great experience for him. Yeah, it was great. It was great for him. That little motherfucker just, he didn't wanna play guitar though until he saw Slash.

I think I told you. He's like, man. But yeah, so I think I'd rather have them come out and hang with me this time. Yeah, that's safer. It's like more fun. You yeah, so I think I'd rather have them come out and hang with me this time. Yeah, that's safer. It's like more fun. You don't get sad and lonely, and they don't feel weird. And for them, it's an experience.

Like, wow, I get to see what dad's doing. This is crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Instead of just like FaceTiming them. Right. Yeah. And picking up weird lingo from their funky ass friends at school.

What the fuck did you just say to me? Did you just call me bruh? Nah, you're coming with me. Yeah, my kids started saying cap. Cap and no cap. I was like, what? What is that? What does that even mean?

Do you know where that came from? I don't know. I don't know either. Times are a-changing. Times are a-changing. But yeah,, times are a-changin'. But yeah, it's... That's a better way to do it. But it's a different thing with a band, you know?

You got a whole band, you got a bunch of other people. Like, you know, the crazy thing, we were just talking, I was talking to Shane Gillis, and he was talking about his experience hosting Saturday Night Live, and he's like, Saturday Night Live only pays you $5,000. It's like, you host it for a week, it's $5,000. We're like, that's crazy.

But then I talked to Pat from the Black Keys and he was telling me, he's like, you wanna hear it even crazier? He was like, when you do a late night show, it costs you money. Cause you gotta fly everybody out there, you gotta band, you gotta hotels, you got this, you got that.

Like it costs you $50, dollars to do a late-night show Yeah, oh absolutely. I just did it. I just did that a couple times Yeah, catch me on Yeah, watch them shits buy the album yeah, it's it's it's funky like the whole promo thing and To do late-night television It's how effective is it now? Mm-hmm? Debatable I don't know I Don't I don't know how effective it is. It's not what I used to I don't think so I

Mean from my experience the TV promo like certain ways that that were I guess the only way to move not as It's not moving the needle as much. Maybe it's just for me as my personal experience. I think it's for everybody, but it's it's It's not really moving like it used to. But it is still important in some capacity. I don't understand it, you know.

But I'm a fan, so I like to go play the late show with Letterman, to go play the tonight show. That's a dream to me as a kid. I love to be able to do that, to be able to step in that building and play Saturday Night Live, do whatever. It's this thing, but you're investing in something when you're not really quite sure on what the return is. Right.

But still, you're doing it because you just want to do it. It's a cool milestone. Yeah. you're doing it because you just want to do it. It's a cool milestone. Yeah, yeah. And also, you know, in a record business, people aren't really, you gotta be everywhere. Right. You know, it's, and you gotta do that and also be your own promotion on social media,

which is a wild thing, you know. Yeah. And people are leaning on TikTok. I mean, I have meetings with folks about, you know, what's the plan? What's the strategy? What are we doing? Well, we got to get traction on TikTok. We got to do this. So I caught myself a couple of times

doing some goofy ass shit for TikTok. And I'm like, I don't like this, man. Like, I don't like this man. This doesn't feel good to me. Right. It feels whorish. Yeah it feels whorish. It's not in my character. It feels fishy. It feels richy. It feels Yeah, and it's like well. This is kind of what's happening in the business, and I'm like well I don't know if this is I You know and these are these debate well. This is what it's going I'm like that's why I'm gonna go be a fucking photographer. You know it's like it's

Is we it's it doesn't feel Like it Should feel to me right it doesn't feel authentic not at all yeah, and then and everything is You can't film sideways anymore. Everything's got to be right vertical right for the algorithm Yeah, fuck are we talking about right? Let's talk about some music. I feel like James Brown in it. Isn't it weird that the shape of the phone dictated the way you hold it?

It's wild to me. And that's what we're talking about in music business meetings. It's funky. Because remember before TikTok became huge, Andrew Schultz had that thing that he was doing on Instagram like turn your phone sideways. So he was telling everybody, hey, turn your phone sideways. They turn their phone sideways, and then he had it that way Simple simple right simple yeah

But now became all about the reels and you got to be able to flip up from one reel to the next So now it has to be vertical and then it just keeps you going it keeps you going Yeah, going keeps you going keeps you going What's gonna happen if those? Foldable things get adopted by everybody because I was really I got I went into a rabbit hole last night I got into foldables because I have one I have a z-fold flip for whatever the fuck it is Who is that never used it? It's a Samsung? Foldable phone was like this it'd be great. I'll be watching YouTube videos much larger But then you can't it's break around your pocket and it folds it's

weird the whole thing is weird but eventually like I know a lot of people that have adopted those because they want to take a laptop with them so they have to answer an email to open up the fold so they can have a laptop set up basically in this 10 inch or 8 inch thing yeah they got this little thing and then folds it and it's the size of a regular phone. So what are they gonna do then with the with the if that becomes like if Apple releases a fold phone that's when it's gonna take off because right now it's like it's only Android phones have that now and you know that's only like a certain percentage of the people

especially like people that are you know like most of the social media platforms are They're made better on iPhones like your apps are better They're optimized for iPhones so they start doing an Apple foldable phone I wonder if it'll be a different thing you get a whole yeah now you have to hold it sideways Because everybody's doing sideways now Now you have to hold it sideways because everybody's doing sideways now. I That's beyond but that thing is though if a thing organically becomes viral Like if you have a song that you put out and organically becomes viral, there's no better promotion. There's nothing better

Yeah, absolutely because everyone can share it. I go. Oh check this out. Yeah, I'll share it to friends They'll share it to their friends. They'll put it on Instagram. They'll put it here They put it there. They put it on Twitter and then next thing you know Yeah, but you never know what that you never know what it's gonna be right you can't you know, it's no way to know Yeah, no, you have no idea. Yeah, it's a lottery. It's crazy Like some things hit me like how and then other things don't hit you're like, how did we miss this one? You know, there's a song that we play all the time can't play anymore because of YouTube now. We're on YouTube This is dude Johnny Thunder. He wrote this song. I'm alive from 1969 you heard this song

Bro, we'll cut it out. We'll cut it out Jamie play this song We'll cut this out so the people YouTube just go go look up Johnny Thunder. I'm alive. This is a out so the people YouTube just go go look up Johnny Thunder on my life this is a 1969 song what the fuck did they do to Johnny Thunder how did that happen what did they do to Johnny Thunder I've never heard that how did I not become a superstar that's everything right there it's everything that's rock and roll baby it's amazing and it's 1969 that is and Johnny's not with us anymore. He's gone So cover song how did you find that Brian Simpson Brian Simpson came into the green rooms. I do you got to hear this fucking song Oh, yeah, it's written by someone else written by someone else

Yeah, it's also on a like Mountain Dew commercial right Wow 1968 it was released It's an amount and do commercial Mountain Dews been listening this podcast guarantee Thank you for sharing that man. That was incredible. How good is that song? That was I? That's like hearing Hendrix for the right right like that's a superstar like that's not just good That's that changes your feeling your skin gets goosebumps. Yeah, I was going through it I was going through a lot of thousand times times I still go through it that was powerful. It's powerful that guy should have been a superstar damn Johnny Thunder should have been the fucking man. That's like my new shit

Is this another one? Tom Jones. Oh This is the other version is that okay? I'm cool on this No disrespect, but no disrespect. I want that I want the other version to be yeah Resonating the that other version is fine if I didn't know that Johnny Thunder existed But the thing is if a guy can make a song like that if Johnny Thunder can make a song like I'm alive How is he that feel I feel like you just gotta get the right songwriters the right people with him and you got a

fucking Superstar how did they fuck that up if I heard that once if I was like a music producer or an executive and I went To see this guy live and I heard that I'd be like sign sign him He's just a one man twice. He's the. Yeah that dudes out there. He's out there and no one knows That no one knew and this is we found this Bob Dylan quote before I think what did he say? Bob Dylan who heard thunders I'm alive on radio was asked for Rolling Stones John winter that year if he was impressed by anything in the rock music scene and

John winter that year if he was impressed by anything in the rock music scene and pointed to the song Never heard of it either, huh? Well, I can't believe it everyone I've talked to I've asked them and they've heard that record It was one of the most powerful records I've ever heard. It's called I'm Alive by Johnny Thunder Well, it was that sentiment truly expressed. That's the most I can say if you heard the record you'd know what I mean Yeah, meanwhile, no one fucking knew oh Samsung used it in 2015 Samsung using their advertisement for the galaxy s6 edge in 2015 it was also used in the soundtrack the 2018 film American animals Since the 1960s thunders continued to tour internationally but has regularly appeared on luxury cruise ships Caribbean and elsewhere he's dead

though right no I thought he wasn't around anymore Gil Hamilton his name is Gil Hamilton is 91 years Okay. Okay, I was under the impression, someone told me he wasn't around anymore. Bro, let me tell you something, that don't make any sense. That doesn't make any sense. No. That's like, like a comic like Kinnison, doing that thing about a starving children ad

on television, you ever see that bit? Uh-uh. Kinnison had this bit about starving children on TV. Like you're at home just making your food, sitting down in front of the TV and Sally Struthers is on TV. Won't you please help? Yeah, right. And he goes, instead of sending these people food,

send them something like me. Someone's going to go there and go, hey, we just drove 5,000 miles where your food is and we realized... I think the recording that he might have that or not there might be a few more but it's doing a children's nursery rhyme he was convinced to do like his first thing is Johnny Thunder that's interesting hmm don't hit quite the same.

No, that doesn't hit the same. No, I'm Alive was the song. You just need to get the right songs with the dude. But if he could do that, like that's, he got magic. It's in a bottle. Now you gotta figure out how to, what's the formula? Like, get some writers,

get some really good songwriters, sit down with that dude and let him go. Yeah Sometimes you just catch one Sometimes you just catch a wave and you just go man Yeah, and you can't you keep trying to chase that thing and you just never the same That is the craziest thing the one-hit wonder That is the that is the craziest thing cuz sometimes those hits are bangers. Right. Yeah, absolutely.

It's just one. Absolutely. You just catch it. I feel like if Johnny Dunder knew the right people, he would have been huge. He needs a better PR team or something. But even Bob Dylan in Rolling Stone was talking about him and that wasn't enough. What year was that article? It said that year.

90s? 60 years. I'll see if it's 50. It was that year. Wow. Oh, it was that article? 90s? 60 years? It was that year. Wow. It was that year? Wow. I don't know, was that a race thing? Well Hendrix popped. Oh yeah. You know, there was James Brown popped. That just like doesn't make sense that that guy is that good. That feels like that's transcendent music that transcends everything that transcends culture Like that's something that everyone will listen to that maybe it was a little ahead of its time How how could that because it just it didn't it maybe But doesn't it sound like a hit it sounds like a hit now Goddamnit had to sound like a hit back then. But it probably sounded like,

what the fuck is that coming through the radio? I don't know, man. If you listen to Peace Frog, that's like the same time with the doors. You know, there's like a lot of wild, funky music that comes from back then, you know? Did that hit radio at the time? Oh yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know, some things are just a miss. One of my favorite artists who I think doesn't get the light that they deserve is a guy called Arthur Alexander. And this guy was like Americana, songwriting, blues, country, all of it. Never heard of him. Great songs, great songwriting, cool funky voice.

What's a song we should listen to? There's a song called Anna? There's a song called Anna The song called go with him Try go with him Let's try that one Yeah, just cut it out again, yeah, that's a that songs a flex think about what he's saying Go ahead total flex go with him go if he loves you more. Hey, I love you, but he loves you more Cool flex. That's why I know girls like that

That's a very needy girl, and she's never gonna be happy and you had just have to say hey Whatever you want to do. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I think you're awesome. Whatever you want to do I think you're awesome. Yeah, nasty though. There's some that you just can't hold onto. Yeah. You have to recognize that. It's true. That's the blues right there. Go ahead. There's another one too, Shuggy Otis.

I don't know if you know Shuggy Otis. No. Yeah, man. Shuggy Otis was one of them guys. He's like psychedelic rock, funk soul dude. I found these guys on the same trip. My buddy Jay Moeller, who was touring with me at the time, was listening to this stuff.

And it was just, like I said, psychedelic ahead of its time, I think maybe 60, 70, 71, he put out a record called Inspiration Information. And it's just like, you know, maybe a chocolate, couple of bowls. Sit back and like, you're going. Yeah. Yeah, great artist.

But I mean, not as powerful as John Thunder. Like that, I'm alive is. That's a classic. Damn. Yeah, man, should be artists. You get this mostly just from other artists John Thunder, like that I'm alive is. That's a classic. Damn. Yeah, man, should be out of this. You get this mostly just from other artists that just tell you about stuff?

Yeah, a lot. Yeah, that's kind of why I like to move around a little bit is I'm still of old school, hang out at the bar. Yeah. You know, hey, what are you into? I've been checking this out, check this out. You know, I still go into record stores and Just go ask what do y'all like? What are y'all listening to like just turn me on to something? I don't care

So they'll be like hey try this so I'll try it and either I love it or I don't you know, but I'm just curious. Well, those bar conversations are underrated. Absolutely. Yeah. They're the best. They can be the best or the weirdest.

And it's all of it. It's an experience. It's an experience. Wow, that's what you have going on in there? I'm sorry I asked. My problem is I go to bars and everybody wants to talk to me about conspiracies. They want to corner me.

Yeah. Tell me about the government. I bet. Ooh. I bet. I bet. How do to corner me. Yeah, tell me about the government. I bet Do you shake out of it? Are you sometimes just get in? Yeah, just jump in with them. Oh, yeah, let's go What do you think they're doing? How come Trump didn't release the Kennedy assassination files? Mm-hmm That's the big one for me. Yeah, I Got a couple people around me who? Get in deep with that and I just have

to, my brain hurts. I have to get out. That one's crazy. Smoke break for me. They killed the president. Absolutely. And they got away with it. And one of the guys that probably killed him was on the Warren Commission. Alan Dulles. He's probably one of the guys that involved in the whole conspiracy. There's so many people involved in that conspiracy They wanted him gone See, I can't I don't follow that I don't want to don't do it. Yeah, that's probably one of those things golf Yeah, yeah, it's worse because it affects everything in the world and you realize like that world is run by psychopaths Yeah, I don't know if I want to know all of it

You know It's like a balancing act. Just probably know a little bit of course just so you don't get sucked into the bullshit, right? right Absolutely. I mean I like I said, I got folks around me who keep me kind of in the loop a little bit. Mm-hmm You need a dedicated conspiracy analyst just one Comfort it's just one source. Just one dude is just scouring the internet. All right, you know All right. Yeah. Well if you find somebody send them my wife Jones. I'll set up your number Just call him up and just let him go for this what's going on Gary. This is a very scary time

Yeah, yeah you if you if you do go too far down that rabbit hole though That is no end of that hole that hole goes to the beginning of civilization. That's what's terrible absolutely You know the idea of what human history really is versus what human history what actually happened and what actually motivated all the things that happened. It's fucking terrifying. Well, yeah, I heard what you were talking about a few pods ago about, you know, the real history of and kind of going deep into that. I mean, it was just it kind of blew my mind. I was like, okay. Yeah. That's, there's things that you've, I've heard about, but never really gone deep into or done research on. You don't want to.

Yeah. Don't go down, just, bar talk's fine. Let someone spit it at you at a bar, you go home a little freaked out. Yeah. You get too deep into it, it's just, it'll ruin your life. Yeah, I remember being a kid freaked out. Yeah. You get too deep into it. It's just it'll ruin your life. Yeah, I remember being a kid in bars. There's a few guys in particular who I don't know why they found that talking to me about this stuff was the thing I guess they're trying to get the message

to the youth. But I remember in these smoky bars and going up back or standing out front and these guys telling me about all kinds of crazy you know things that I've never heard of you know they're coming after you or they're doing this and such and such they did this and I'm like I'm 15 like I have to get up and turn in a school project I don't know what the fuck you talk will you do it at a bar at 15 I'll play in shows was playing shows. When did you first start playing live? In 98, I was 14. Wow!

15. Yeah. How did that happen? Well, I was in a boy band with my buddy Robbie. We were going to be R&B superstars, we thought. Then he moved to France. My friend Eve was playing guitar. We did a talent show in eighth grade, won like $25. And we were kind of hooked.

Went to a blues bar for her 15th birthday. Played at a blues jam like an open mic, you know? And they invited us back, and we just kept going. I started booking gigs pretty soon after. As a teenager, I was like this duo, like the Gary and Eve show. And it was like me and this girl playing blues. Wow. Yeah, so. 14.

Yeah, 14. Wow. What do you have to be blues about when you're 14? My girlfriend left me for the lifeguard that she was working with during the summer. The name Raul. That was my first. Like, huh. Alright. Isn't it crazy that we dismiss the pain of the youth, but the breakups when you're 14 are the hardest ones you ever experience in your life. Yeah, you don't know what to do

You have no idea what this is. Yeah, also in your world's gone Right it all ended and everybody in your world knows that your world is gone. Yeah, you know walking the hallways Now look at that sad motherfucker She's with Mike now. Yeah. Yeah, and your boys are telling you, man, we just got such and such, you know, tongue kissing over there by the gym. Right? You just got to sit and like take that math test. Go through it. Meanwhile, she don't feel nothing, nothing at all. She's gone. Bye. Yeah. I don't want to be with you anymore. Bye Now but somebody told me when I was a kid, you know, too

What do you know about singing about the blues and you really don't know anything? You know At least I didn't When it came to Just how complex people are how big the the world is, certain struggles, like your little bullshit doesn't really mean anything, doesn't carry any weight compared to this, compared to that. Right.

But yeah, man, that still hurts, man. Yeah. That still hurts. Yeah, people take their life. They take their life, and they get broken up with it. 14, 15 years old. People take their life. They take their life. And they get broken up with it. 14, 15 years old, they take their life. That's true.

It happens. That's true. It's crazy, your whole life's ahead of you. It's such a mistake. We definitely lost a couple at a young age because of just emotionally being broken. Yeah, especially if you're already fragile. Sure.

You know, maybe this is the only thing that you ever had in life that gave you happiness was his girlfriend. Man. Yeah. That's a lot of people. Like they were depressed. And the only thing that gave them happiness is the love of another person. And you thought you were going to be with that girl forever. Forever, right? This is it. We're going to have kids. We're going to be together forever. Nope.

Six months later, she's tongue kissing behind the barn Some other dudes finger She loves it she's so excited I shouldn't think about you at all at all One bit get over it Mike yeah you're alone in your room listening to sad songs in the fetal position curled up sad and shit but if you can come out on the other end of that you'll understand and then the next time it's a little easier the next time it's a little easier and then you get it yeah you know and then you write a song like that like if he loves you more go ahead

Some ladies that you will run into in this life that you are never gonna hold on to You can't accept that Me maybe you can ten years from now Maybe they'll change and you'll change and you'll meet up and it'll be better but right now. Mm-hmm She's on a path And that you gotta let her go. Mm-hmm, you know, I love you. You're great. But if he loves you more Tata for now Tata for now Enjoy it and that's a flex that songs a flex kind of is yeah if he loves you more go ahead Huh? Yeah, it's a good flex too because they don't know what to do with that one. They don't.

Oh my god. They don't. How did he say that? He said, if you love me more, I could just go with you. Shook it. And then that guy's at home, the new guy's like, that bad motherfucker. I can't believe that's what he said to her. He has her forever now.

Yeah, now he feels stuck. Yeah. Because eventually, this newness that comes in this new relationship with the guy who loves her more is going to fade into why you're always leaving your shit laying around, and how come you're always late. And you said you were going to call 5. You didn't call till 6.30.

What happened? What's this? What's that? You check your phone. And then next thing you know, she's thinking about that dude who said, look, if he loves you more, I love you, though. And then she calls him.

What are you doing? Nothing, great to hear your voice. You know where I'm at? You know what it is? You know I still love you. Yeah. But some dudes could have used that advice. Like like if he could give that advice to a lot that's a Strong move in certain circumstances to preserve your sanity. Mm-hmm. You know absolutely just cuz some people are fun

Doesn't mean you're supposed to be with them forever that part is very important very important This is you have a good time with someone doesn't mean they should be your one and only Important just because you have a good time with someone doesn't mean they should be your one and only Is that that might ruin everything? Absolutely, I agree and we all know dudes who've got Just hitched to the wrong caboose and they lost everything Their life fell apart and a big part of it is the complex interaction between two people. And some people just, the combination of you and them

is not good. Absolutely. And it'll ruin everything. I agree. I've had those, you know, it's like, this is fun. It's a lot of fun. But that's it. This is dangerous.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the dangerous ones are sometimes the most fun unfortunately for a short amount of time but you don't want them raising your kids not at all no yeah if he loves you more Tata for now. Mm-hmm. Out of here. This thing is falling apart. Cigar? This is a real one, man.

This is from Havana. Yeah, it is. You can tell. Mm-mm. Yeah, buddy, I went to London, well, actually, my tour manager, Daniel, we were hanging in London. I had a few days off to just hang. Started hanging in the cigar lounges.

Yeah, I've been kind of hooked ever since. started hanging in the cigar lounges. Yeah, I've been kind of hooked ever since. It's one of those few places like a barbershop or like a bar where guys can get together and just talk. Yeah, absolutely. Sit around, shoot the shit, smoke a Stoge, talk some shit, have some laughs. It's fun.

Yeah, so it's kind of been my new thing. I'm trying to get off these cigarettes too, if I'm being honest. Yeah? Yeah, man. I gotta do it. Got to do it. You don't want to die that way. It's just a sad... I always said I would never smoke. And then I saw, speaking of heartbreak, blues, man. I was sitting during South by Southwest, pissed off, all these motherfuckers in town,

and I saw this girl that I was into, and she was hand in hand with some other dude, walking down the street, having a good old time. This person I was sitting next to, I was like, give me one of them smokes. Next thing you know. Next thing I know. Here I am. Yeah.

It gives you a wild head rush though. Yeah, it is. The tingly feeling. The fingers and toes and stuff. The excitement of your central nervous system. The brain gets fired up from a cigarette. Yeah, absolutely. Different than any other form of nicotine.

Like, different than cigars, different than zins, different than anything. Well, it's not just tobacco. Yeah. But even if it is, it's like one of those natural spirits, is that what they're called? American spirits? Yeah, it's just tobacco. But even those. But if you get like menthol or something like that, it's like, what the fuck is happening here? Oh yeah, I gotta quit that shit. How many are you smoking? What the fuck is happening here? Yeah, I gotta quit that shit.

How many are you smoking? I only really do if I'm having a conversation before a show that I don't want to have. Oh, really? So it's like an anxiety thing? Yeah, like before TV or before something like that. That's not too bad. No, it used to be maybe a half a day,

a half a pack a day. Not crazy, but I used to back on, roll them up in my herbs. Yeah, and so I get my tobacco that way, but there was a while where I was doing like a pack a day and sometimes maybe more, just, you know, stress. I think, you know, getting into this entertainment business and eyes on you and, you know, pressure

and all that type of shit is just like a nervous thing to just remind myself to just breathe, you know? Like take a moment and just like, you know, chill out. Also, there's something about the cigarette that just gives you like some weird relief. It's just like a... Yeah. That head rush thing that you get out of it is like a weird relief. It's just like a... yeah. The head rush thing that you get

out of it is like a weird little escape valve. Sure. It's like a release valve. Right. When I don't have them though I don't really miss them so that's kind of good. That's very good. Yeah I got into I got into Blunts from Charlie, Charlie Murphy when I was on that tour with him. Yeah. Because he would only roll blunts and you the come he's like that's the combination of the nicotine and the weed. I was like oh my god he's right. It's good. It's a better combination. It's good. That's a good combination like pre-show combination there's nothing like a blunt. Mm- Yeah, I'm right there with you. Yeah. I'm right there with you, but. A blunt and some music.

Let's go. Man. We've been getting hyped up to, Stro Elliot does it for us every time. He's a member of the Roots crew, the legendary Roots crew, and he puts out these albums. May I? Yeah, get in there.

He puts out these albums where he mashes up Yeah, get in there. Yeah, he puts out these albums where he mashes up Like old-school music and like his big fat ass funky beats and some sounds and stuff And that's been the stuff that we listen to backstage. That's our hype music Do you have a hype soundtrack? Yeah, we did for a while it goes anywhere from I guess rolling Stones to Shaka Khan. Shaka Khan? Wow. To like Stro Elliot to Anderson Paak. So it's kind of all over the place. Kind of get everybody who's got their certain types of music in the mood and keep the crowd hype and keep them interested.

Yeah. Stuff like that. But John Dee's backstage, he's the guy. John Dee's on keys. He's part of the Kill Tony band. He plays on the road with me. He's always got the Bluetooth speaker and he's always jamming something unapologetically. It doesn't matter who's, how close we are to anybody.

He's like biggie loud as fuck. He doesn't walk into the stage, through the office, you know, at the venue. But yeah, we have a good time back there. But there's something about that, like walking with the music. Walking into a place, bringing the music with you. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's the Buffalo New York in him though too. Big boombox, unapologetic, Tim's on, New York hat, don't give a shit.

But yeah, what do y'all listen to backstage? Well, when we do arenas, I always make a point to walk into I'm Your Boogie Man. Hmm. KC and the Sunshine Band, I'm Your Boogie Man. That's what I am. Like when we're getting ready to do a show, when we walk into the arena, it's always I'm Your Boogie Man. That's your walk-on song? Yeah. Nice. And if we're getting a police escort to the venue, it's protect your neck.

It's always protect your neck. That's a flex. Yeah. That's what's up. Man, what's that feel like? I've only had like a police escort while opening for the Rolling Stones. And I was like, damn, this is so tight.

It's bizarre, because you're driving through a crowd that's there to see you. The first time I ever realized what was going on, I was with Ian Edwards, and we were doing a show in Dallas at an arena, and this was one of the first arenas we did, and as we're driving, I go, what is all this fucking traffic? This is ridiculous, we gotta be there in half an hour.

And then I go, oh, they're here for us. This is our traffic. And then we started laughing, like, this is wild. This is our traffic. Y'all did that. Yeah, we pulled up to the venue, I'm like, this is bananas. It's gotta be cool feeling though It's pretty wild so the police escort is to try to get you through that of course

It's warmed or miss the show or miss the show yeah, but there's just so many people. It's just when you It's just something about doing shows with that many people. It's it's totally different experience. It's so alive It's so electric, it's so electric. The music, like having a green room playlist, I learned from Dave. Dave used to come to the comedy store and he had two boom boxes and he'd have them synced and he'd put one on one end of the bar,

one on the other end of the bar. He had ones that had like LED lights, they'd glow and flash and shit. Like Dave brought the party. And he was like, this is my socializing, so I always just have music with me everywhere. I'm like, that's the way to do it. Because we would just hang out in the green room

and just talk. But talking with music going on is way better. Absolutely. You gotta get your vibe. Yeah, that's right. When I saw Dave at the Moody Center recently, he had the glow lights going on the Bluetooth speaker. Yeah, the whole vibes going. Yeah, he puts red light bulbs in his green room. Right. You go in his green rooms not like bright white light like flooding light it's like the soft cool like speakeasy vibe I respect that man it sets up the vibe yeah it brings the club energy to like a fucking arena

huh yeah he gets it yeah yeah he set it up right it's the way to do it mm-hmm the way to do it and's the way to do it And if you're touring a lot, I saw that with Tommy Lee once too. I went backstage with Tom back there's a story my friend John Rollo was Tommy Lee security guard John Rollo's big giant dude and He goes hey man, can you meet Tommy Tommy wants talked to you about something? Okay, so I go to the show catch the show meet Tommy and Tommy wants to fight Kid Rock Cut times. I want someone to train me to fight Kid Rock. I was like what?

What are you talking about? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Because they were both just squabbling over Pamela So he wanted to fight Kid Rock so he was like seriously coming to me to ask me like how he could get a fight set up With Kid Rock and he wanted to get trainers and all these different things involved I wanted to tell him I think Kid Rock will fuck you up Kid Rock is one of those wild Detroit white boys. You don't want to fuck with Kid Rock. I absolutely would have to agree. You don't want none of that?

Nah. No. Listen to me, Tommy. That's a mean dude. Yeah. That's the dude that shot up Bud Light and cost him $26 billion. He shot the shit out of that beer, didn't he? He went crazy.

He cost them so much money. They would have never lost that amount of money if Kid Rock didn't shoot that beer. Man. Just watching those bullets, every time those bullets hit that beer, that was like a billion dollars. I don't know how many times I watched that on repeat.

That was good. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. You don't want none of that, Tommy. Nah, just go. Stay away from that Yeah, just sit down Just just if he loves you more than me Ta ta for now just Arthur Alexander that yeah, I thought yeah learn how to just let it go

Again, same thing some gals you never really have them. You just gotta accept it. Enjoy your time Enjoy time with them. Exactly But don't go having a cage fight with K-Brock in front of the world that's What's up with everybody what the fight in public? What is up with that it does seem silly Right. Well, I think some people is just like they don't have any money and someone comes along and says hey You want to do a celebrity boxing match and like all right, you know, we're gonna pay you a million dollars No, now you got money. So you just like I'll just do anything because you don't have nothing going on

So there's people like that Didn't Aaron Carter fight Lamar Odom? Oh I believe so Lamar Odom's like 10 feet tall. Yeah. Aaron Carter looks like he had never worked out a day in his life and he's been living on a steady diet of pills. Yeah yeah yeah that just... He's not with us anymore right? No. Yeah that's the thing if you get famous when you're young good luck Good luck good luck Nobody there's like three people that have ever gone through being famous when they're young and not been crazy

Yeah, I I don't I don't understand that I Don't understand it's I don't understand that. It's just it's fucking sad, man. It's you. It's Rob childhood for other people's entertainment. It seems like when you're when you're a kid watching other kids on TV, it seems like a good time. Right. You know, it seems like, oh, yeah, I want to do that. That'd be amazing.

time. Right. You know, it seems like, oh yeah, I want to do that. That'd be amazing. And so it's been, it's been kind of strange to watch these young folks kind of go through it. Well, the ultimate is Michael Jackson. That's the ultimate. I mean. That's the ultimate. That is the the greatest worst story ever told. That, when you see young Michael Jackson, when he was with the Jackson Five, when he did like ABC, and they were doing that stuff on TV, and he's dancing and singing, he's the lead and he's the little kid. Oh my God.

Killing the best. Oh my God. This clip in particular is the one that got me into wanting to be a musician in the Ed Sullivan show And how old is he then? 10 maybe 11 Geez 1969 oh My god oh my god

He was so good. He was so little and then he became so crazy Because he just never had a real life. Yeah. I yeah that it's Sad to see it's crazy, but it's just that it's that old expression the star that shines twice as bright last half as long You know, I mean it's just like and then that in that circumstance to be to have that much talent and that much success and that much love when you're a baby he's a little baby there I couldn't imagine he's a little tiny little fella he's up there just bolting out beautiful songs. And then the rest of his life is just chaos. I didn't realize that.

I think as a kid, I was such a huge Michael Jackson fan, probably like crazy Kiss fans, that I didn't realize everything that was happening. Nobody knew. Nobody knew back then. I mean knew back then. Right. I mean back then there's no internet, right? And so like if it wasn't Barbara Walters didn't talk to him about like why do you have so many kids over your house? Like there would be no conversation. No one would know. Right. Yeah.

Yeah it's just uh I don't what do you think that is? I mean like what is it like? is there a Just like a sense of Like powerlessness not having control. There's a bunch of factors you never face real adversity Like a normal person does you never not loved? Yeah, I think people have to learn how to you learn how to get people to like you But you realize like oh if I'm A nicer person it feels better for me. It feels better for them. It's good for everybody And then one time I wasn't nice and I felt bad and I went home

I got to think this through and now people don't like me shit I'm sorry And then you get better and it's like a process of learning how to interact with human beings that's completely subverted by fame. Yeah. You don't ever have to prove yourself. Not only do you not have to prove yourself, you're loved above and beyond a regular person.

So you're treated like you're like a god, like royalty, as a child. And everyone around you is kissing your ass, and everyone around you is giving you advice, and everyone around you is trying to take your money. You know, and then you've got women and you've got networks and you've got, you know, that guy the Colonel that was with Elvis, you know, those kind of characters that are running your life behind the scenes.

Elvis is another case. Too much fame. Nobody had navigated those waters before. It's too much. I remember trying, being young and people trying to approach me for deals and stuff and I was always weird of those folks just because of the stories that I heard. Hmm.

And my mom was my manager for the longest time. Was helping me with printing up CDs and doing real ground work. Family, my little sister was boxing CDs and helping fold t-shirts and do all that. It was a real family thing and folks started coming around saying, hey, you know, we could help you with this. We could help you with this. And I was just always like, no, no, no, no. I've heard so many stories of that. So I was really scared of the business, you know, and wanting to even pursue it or the idea of fame or any of that. I was just like, nah, I just, I don't, I don't, I don't want to deal with that. Whatever comes with that, I don't think is really me. So I'm kind of fortunate that I was just like nah just I don't I don't I don't want to deal with that whatever comes with that I don't think is yeah really me so I'm kind of fortunate that I didn't really get to I didn't really move around in

that kind of scene until I was 27 how old were you in like numb how old was that I was I was mid-20s 25 26 27 that would be when things start getting weird right yeah I liked big city. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I was a grown person so I'd had experiences where you know yeah, but yeah, so Yeah, I think if had that happened to me any earlier. It would have been a little bit different. Oh, yeah Yeah, but yeah, it was it was strange you know. Just how life can kind of flip. Mm-hmm. People's perception and perspective of you kind of flips. The whole world changes. People have like people you know kind of look at you different and it's like yeah whoa. That's weird. That's when it gets weird.

People have known you for years and now they get nervous around you like why are you nervous around me? Yeah, right. It's like hey yo dog chill like What's up? Same dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You remember you crashed in my house six months ago like well I think don't you think that's why I like a lot of famous people hang around with other famous people Like these are the only people that are gonna understand what it's like to be weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was talking to Tony the other day,

and he was like, man, you need to get out more. I was like, I know. He's like, you need to be with the folks who get it. I'm like, yeah, I know. I've just been to Herman in this studio trying to get it right, but yeah. Dude, calm down with the mothership any night you want. Come hang out. I definitely, I'm definitely going to. It's get it right. But yeah. Well dude, calm down with the mothership any night you want.

Come hang out. I definitely, I'm definitely going to. It's a great hang. I know. That green room cleans the soul. I've missed, yeah, I missed you a couple of times. I've been there, but yeah, it's definitely a vibe. I, yeah, I have a good time every time I'm down there.

But yeah, it's true. You gotta be able to hang around like-minded folks who, you know, kind of the weirdos. Yeah, there's a different perspective. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, you got to be around other weirdos and it also is like you feel like you're okay Like oh, I'm not that fucked up. I'm just like these people. This is a different kind of person Yeah, like they get it right all my friends know me they get it they get we're all just different kinds of weirdos Absolutely, but what's this? It's a special kind of weirdo a weirdo who makes stuff Right. Yeah weirdos always creating things and then people go to see those things

And they listen to those things they hear those things they watch those things. That's right. It's a different life Completely you can't hang out with accountants. They're not gonna get it. That's different. It's funny. I go into kids birthday party. Yes, it's like Yes, I don't know what I can't say here. I know I Never know what parents are gonna ask me about you know because they're like too many parents listen to the podcast It's real weird right they want to talk to me about guests and conspiracies and shit and some parents Blowing out birthday candles. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of dads want to talk about UFC, which is easy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's easy. Yeah. That's cool. Hey, man, that was really cool when everything was shut down to go to the UFC with you guys. That was fun. And hang out.

I never, I realized how intense that was without the crowd yeah it's why I'm building yeah like hearing somebody get kicked in the face in a quiet room that shit is different it's different it's my favorite way to see it to this day yeah I like to see fights at the apex the apex in Vegas yeah like where we went yeah it's just like there's no crowd yeah it's incredible it was cool and then where we went. It's just like there's no crowd, man. It's incredible. It was cool.

And then when we went down there, everything was totally shut down. So they were like world class fights. Like right now they do at the Apex, still have world class fights, but a lot of times it's like guys on the come up, guys who are making their way through the rankings, and they'll have like contender fights and good fights.

But there was a world championship fights in that arena. Like Francis Ngono beat Stipe Miocic in that arena. I was there for that. Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah. When you see Francis Hammerfist, an unconscious man, after he knocks him out cold and then fucking drops a bomb on him

and just walking around the cage, like woo! And there's no one there but us. Yeah. There's like 20 people in there. That's incredible. It in there. It's incredible It was amazing hearing the coaches talking back and forth yeah language all that kind of stuff What a weird time to write even when you went to restaurants like we're in a restaurant. Yeah, we're sitting down inside This is crazy

Walking with masks on and they'd take it off. Yeah, that was so stupid I was still in a walk-in with a mask on and they'd take it off and sat down. It was so stupid As long as you sit down you can take your mask off. Oh when you go to the bathroom You got to put your mask back on. Oh, okay Okay, whatever. I'm just happy to be out. Yeah. Hell yeah me too Yeah that the COVID bubble days were strange, but yeah, I'm so happy the UFC did that they kept the sport alive. Yeah y'all doing the um the sphere out there yeah they're doing an event at the sphere for Mexican Independence Day amazing have you been out there for that I have not I've seen it I've drove by it

it's incredible I mean they have it look like the earth they have it look like space they put designs on it the whole outside is a giant screen it's an incredible building. That's wild. And they're gonna make a show that uses the sphere. Dana said he's only gonna do it once. Gonna do one show there, cause it's too crazy,

but he wants to do a show there just cause it scares the shit out of him. Cause it's so challenging. Well of course, that's kinda, he just, he has to. But you might have been watching highlights on the ceiling. That'd be crazy. The ceiling is filled with a giant screen that shows you replays. That would be incredible. Yeah, that's I can't even

Imagine because it's blown my mind when I see Video of the band you too. Yeah in there. Yeah, like it looks crazy on your little phone screen I couldn't imagine what that was like Bert went Bert Krher went saw you two there you and he said it was insane He said it was insane. It's like it's a great show I've ever seen my life I was crying because it's like accentuated by the building itself It's the only time where a building makes the experience way better like way crazier What was it who came up with that idea like what what the question is? Who even super rich dudes?

Because it costs some insane amount of money. How much does this fear cost to run? It's something bananas like just for one night. Yeah, just for one night like every year It's like it's fucking hundreds of millions of dollars just to run it I wonder what the what else is gonna be in there Just music I guess I guess you get up the rodeo What else is going to be in there? Just music, I guess. I guess you could have the rodeo. You could have whatever you want in there.

A rodeo would be fucking nuts. That would be wild. That would be wild, a rodeo with all the highlights on the screens. But to be able to watch fights like that, have the highlights on the ceiling, that's probably the best way to do it. If they could keep doing it that way, I mean, if it works,

and then they decide, you know what? Fuck it, we're going to keep doing shows here. I want to go to one. Yeah, I want to go, too. Just? Fuck it, we're gonna keep doing shows here. I wanna go to one. Yeah, I wanna go too, just to see. Yeah, the one that's on Mexican, when is that one, Jamie? September, I think right now. Yeah, that's gonna be nuts. That is gonna be a nutty experience.

I think that's September 16, right? Am I correct? Sounds right. Okay. Hey, September 16th, you hear that? Touring squad, let's end up. let's end up in Vegas that night. How long are you touring now? Are you from here when the album's out? Are you gonna just go? So we're doing a US leg, just kind of kick things off in. And then we're gonna do Europe

August, September, I think. I try not to look, but I'm sure dates will fill up in between that's, you know, once it starts going, it starts going. But yeah, just for now, we're gonna be doing the States in May. We're doing some stuff with Eric Clapton down in South America. Oh wow. And that's always cool.

Yeah, that's, I mean, that's a lot of people coming out. It's, you know, 60,000, 70,000 folks. Wow. So we're going to get to jump in front of that and make some noise for a little bit. Bro, they came after Eric Clapton hard during the pandemic. Oh yeah. They came after him, cause he said that he got injured by the vaccine.

Yeah. And they came after him hard. How dare you? How dare you, you piece of shit. Right. They tried to find every terrible thing he's ever said his entire life. Oh yeah.

Taking out contacts, sticking in front of everybody. Oh yeah, folks came after me and was like, what do you think about Clapton doing that? Well, the crazy thing was he got injured by the vaccine. And they were mad that he was, it was like a coordinated effort to attack him because he was going to cause vaccine hesitancy

by telling the truth. Now we all know it's the truth. So now no one's mad at him anymore for for that but it's like during that time they were trying to destroy Eric Clapton yeah if you brought anything you said anything you're kind of out of there yeah yeah that must have been wild for Eric because his whole life he was beloved I mean he was he was an icon yeah I mean still is yeah he still is but yeah but to have that experience happen like all the sudden he's attacked like the LA Times You know and all these different newspapers were just coming for him. I was like, this is crazy to see he's telling you

He got injured by experimental medication that the whole world is being forced to take You don't think you should listen to him? Yeah, yeah. Looking back, it seems absolutely absurd. It does. That somebody's telling you the truth about this thing that's affecting the whole world. And they go, nope, nope, nope, nope.

No, he's a piece of shit and an anti-vaxxer. Yeah, and look at this, and you did this, and you did this, and let's pull this up. What'd you say in 76? Yeah, man, wild time. Wild times, fuck. But we got through it. Yeah, we did.

I don't think it'll ever happen again. You don't think so? I think people would be too wise to it now. Yeah, there's too many people that push back now that let it happen back then because they believed it. They thought two weeks to stop the spread that would be good. They thought all those things were gonna be good. They believed the World Health Organization, they believed the CDC, they believed everybody. They believed in masks, they

believed in social distancing. They believed in all that shit we turned out to be bullshit. Now people know it's bullshit. Yeah absolutely. I remember going to Australia twice. We had to quarantine twice. Australia was nuts. Police escorts. I was going there to do a film. I went there to do Elvis. And I was like, they put us, police escort to the hotel, like military escort up to the hotel room and you're just there. They give you like milk, sandwiches, juice, some fruits like every day or whatever. You can't go nowhere. No, you couldn't go anywhere and if you were to step out to like to put your trash outside like a military guard or police officer would be there like the weapon, like turn the corner and just check in on you. I was like, yo, what the fuck, man?

How crazy is that? Yeah, for two weeks you had to be there. How crazy is that? And you weren't even sick? Wasn't sick. Which is crazy. Nothing. And just 40 floors up in some crazy hotel. He can't go anywhere for two weeks. The military making sure you don't leave your room. Yeah. That's what happens when there's no guns. When people don't have guns.

That's right. Yeah that wouldn't happen. The only people that have the guns is the army and the police and everybody else is unarmed. The shit that happened. The people with the guns start pushing people around, arresting people for not wearing a mask outside, throwing old ladies to the ground and handcuffing them. That shit is not happening in Texas. No. Gary damn T that. No. You said what motherfucker?

Yeah, shut the fuck up. But even in California, there was lines around the block at the gun store. It got sketchy. It got real sketchy. That was the eye opener. Yeah. For so many people seeing lines at the gun store for the first time, like, yo, this is

getting real. This is getting real. I heard about that. Yeah, it was weird to see it in LA. I drive by Burbank and this gun shop that I know, it's a fucking giant-ass line around the block. People trying to buy a gun. Yeah. Well, y'all got them problems down here. Giant-ass line around the block People trying to buy a gun. Mm-hmm Yeah I've got them problems down here. No, there's no problems down here. No There it is ID. Yep. Here's your receipt exactly. Good luck, sir We even crazier is that I could just give you a gun. Oh, yeah, if I have a gun

I'm like Gary take this gun and that's your gun now. You don't have to do any paperwork. No nothing No, you have my gun Once you feel that freedom and it's not just the gun thing it's kind of everything which you feel that freedom Except abortions once you feel that freedom. You're just like whoa. This is how you're supposed to be and then you go to California They don't you have flavored vapes? Like what are you doing? to be and then you go to California they don't you have flavored vapes like what are you doing what are you doing I don't understand why I don't understand why that is they think it's gonna stop kids from sucking on vapes if they're not

flavored so adults can't have them adults can't have them you can't get flavored zins in in California I went to a gas station to buy some zins. I'm like, what flavors you got? They go, we don't have any flavors. I go, what? Yeah, California doesn't allow you to have flavors. Because it attracts kids. You think the kids are gonna,

they're gonna puff on the original version anyway? Yeah, what are you talking about? They're still smoking cigarettes. Like, that's so stupid. Wow. That doesn't do anything. I don't get that. That don't make no damn sense to me. It's communist. It's the government deciding what you can and can't do and doing it for

your own good. And that's the slippery slope of communism. They'll do that with that. Next thing they'll do it with your car. Next thing they'll do it with your consumption, your carbon consumption. They'll try to get you to be on a carbon consumption tax, they try to get you to be on some sort of an app that shows how much carbon you're using, anything they can do to try to control you. And they'll do it under the guise of making it safer for others,

just like they did during the pandemic. See how quickly they shifted from vaccines to climate change. It was just like, it was a beautiful passing of the ball. It was like, run with climate change. Run with CO2 production. Run with, stop eating meats, drive an electric car. Run with that.

Right. Yeah, that's true. One thing after another. It's just control. The number one thing about it is control, and then all, without a doubt, There's a bunch of people making money. There's a bunch of industries that are designed that Function around this idea that you have to do certain things and they're gonna profit immensely from you complying

Yeah, I mean you could kind of see that in the way that the city changed around here with the they shut down Certain spots mom-and-pop shots. Mm-hmm spots kind of went and it's like I Get you up out of here and make he comply a little bit. Mm-hmm Are you gone now target makes more money? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, here we go Well, they crushed LA LA is not it is a shadow of itself I always say that LA is like a girl you used to date and she was really cute and then you go see her now and she's on meth and she works for the cartel. Damn. What happened? Damn. That's LA. You know? Yeah, I haven't spent

too much time out there. I mean, I only go out there when I absolutely have to. It's sad. I need to. I was just in New York. New York looked kind of Euro now. It's got all the cannabis shops up everywhere. It's kind of comical. It is. A little bit. It was so illegal in New York for so long.

Yeah, you had to get it like super low key. Yeah, man. You could get busted. There was undercover cops selling people weed in New York. Yeah, New York was weird with weed. Weird for the longest time. It's not a problem at all anymore. No.

It was really strange to be there. It's kind of like Amsterdam looking. I'm kind of surprised that hasn't hit Texas yet. I'm surprised they haven't let legal weed here yet. It seems so stupid to stop people from doing something you know they're already doing and doing is not hurting anybody. Yeah That's my only beef with Texas at the moment. Yeah as far as that goes. Well, it's Decriminalized air quotes here. So what does that mean?

I think just I just just let me pull up to a store. Yeah Enjoy my day. Yeah, I'll pay taxes. How about that, right? You're missing out on Billions of dollars in tax revenue you dummies sure cuz it like in Colorado. They were smart They said we'll tax it like 39% or something crazy and everybody's like, okay, no problem. Yeah, go ahead do that Yeah, absolutely because it's so cheap and compares in the alcohol anyway It's a beautifully run business in Colorado. They figured it out. It's like going and buying a pair of shoes.

But for the longest time in Colorado, they had to employ mercenaries. They had to employ like fucking blackwater type people to guard the cash because the banks wouldn't fuck with them. Oh yeah, that's right. So they weren't allowed to use credit cards. So at any point in time, they had hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in cash around.

That's right. And they had to like get a guy to take that cash to the bank. So they're basically like a scene from Heat. That's right. I remember going out to Venice Beach at a certain point. It was a little funky out there. Well, I used to go to this place

called the Inglewood Wellness Center in the 90s. And that was when there was medical weed in California. And all you have to do is go to a doctor, go, I got a headache. Yeah. You go, oh, you definitely need this medicine. They were trying to hand out those things. It wasn't hard to get a medical license. Not at all. And one of the only dispensaries, medical dispensary was in Englewood.

So we'd go down the hood to buy weed. And then the dude that sold me the weed got shot he got shot there like a week after I was there two weeks after I was there yeah oh no they robbed him and shot him because you had a paying cash and they had cash laying around and everybody was scoping it and they were watching they knew what was going on and he would have given them the money too that's right he just fucking shot him that's right yeah wow Tom fucking shot him. That's right. Yeah.

It was a wild time. That's what I was like, okay, time to go back to weed dealers. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Just say, homie, hey man, do you know what that is? Yeah.

Like we used to. Yeah, yeah. The weed dealer thing is funny, because then you get those sketchy people in your life again. Those dudes that are willing to sell weed. Like, those are always people that are just a little unbalanced. Yeah, I've been fortunate that folks used to hook me up with all these cute girls. That's amazing. Yeah.

How'd you get that? Just being me, bro. Well, that's a way better situation. I used to deal with a dude named Jake the Snake. Well there you go. Jake the Snake was my friend Eddie's buddy in LA. That's how we'd get our weed. But he was always a weird dude.

Nah, it was always cool. They were like cool hippie chicks. That's perfect. Yeah. That's perfect. Yeah. Yeah. That's perfect. Cool, sit there, you know, show you what the guy, you can try a couple different kinds. Yeah. Get on their bike or whatever the fuck can get out of there. Bye! Sun dress flowing in the wind. Yep. Yeah. Fucking sunflowers all over their outfit. Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't really deal with too many shady characters, but the shady characters that I knew were

the motherfuckers that I actually really knew that I grew up with. And I was like, ah, yeah. I was warned about you by that. Yeah. Well, you have some dudes that are shady when they're like 14 just a little shady Yeah, and then by the time they're like 22 their full shady. Oh, yeah, but you're still hanging with that Yeah, I've seen a couple of them. There's a magazine around here. I don't know if it's still here. It's called mugshots And you see like whoever got arrested that day or that week. I see a couple of folks I grew up with on the cover and I was like, yep Saw that coming. Yeah that pans up. Yeah Yeah

But hopefully Texas will come around and you know, you can just kind of do what you want to do with that Yeah, I feel like If Republicans just embrace that it would be a lot better for everybody. Just the people that don't want it, they're just ignorant. They just don't understand. It's stupid. It's a stupid thing to stop. That's not being stopped.

Yeah, it's not being stopped. Also, you should probably fund some studies, find out why some people go crazy. Let's find out what's going on because everybody knows one dude who smoked too much weed who went schizophrenic. How many do you know? I know one in particular. He's a great, great friend of mine. And yeah, I kind of feel semi-responsible because I was kind of, he was just dude I

known since I was in first grade. We played basketball together. We did all this stuff together and started rapping together started playing music making beats together And I think one puff too many and listening to that Slim Shady Marshall Mathers album Got him bro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know two dudes one dude seems to have bounced back But one dude's gone. He's gone Well, actually no three dudes. I know one dude who bounced back to but one the dude I know bounce back he doesn't he doesn't fuck around at all anymore But at one point in time he thought the government was listening to everything he said

He thought like helicopters are flying over his house. He thought people were listening in the walls He was he was going nuts. And that's marijuana induced? Yeah, yeah, for him it was. And I knew him before that, I knew he was fine, but he was just waking, baking every day. It was every day, he was just getting obliterated. He was getting obliterated all day long,

and I think he just fried normal life out of his brain. Ooh. Yeah. Ooh, I've gotten stoned to the point of a panic attack, but I've always come back. But when you come back, you feel better. I feel a lot better. Hey, fuck yeah. Everything's going to be OK.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Some people don't come back. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there's been books written on it. Alex Berenson wrote a book about it. That's why I've never I've never taken acid. My dad told me a long time ago an uncle of his or maybe took a some good acid and never came back from it. So I've always been spooked but I mean I have no

problem with psilocybin. Yeah psilocybin is more manageable. I think also acid is being made in a bathtub by some grateful dead fan Someone like who's making that? Where are you? How did this get to me? He looks just like Jerry Garcia For circular glasses on tinted lenses Just Selling you the good stuff. I mean, there's only a handful of people supposedly in the country that know how to make acid. How many people are trying though?

Yeah, right? That's the scary part for me. It's like, oh, my buddy Billy just, you know, started, you know, got him a little thing in the garage, let's try it out. Yeah. Well Ari was telling us about, they had these tests that they would do. These dudes were heavy partiers and they had brought like tests with them so they could test all the different drugs.

Like when you say heavy party, like experimental, like trying to go. They would go and they were going out there. So they were taking Molly and all kinds of shit and so they did a test on the acid they had and none of it was acid All of it was mescaline really yeah Yeah, they were getting these tabs and they thought these tabs were acid and they tested those zero acid and it was just mescaline so How do you?

How do you get away with that? You get away with it because people don't have tests. So you're just selling this stuff. Mescaline will make you trip. You think you're on acid. Is it the same type of deal? I haven't done it, but it's peyote. Right, I'm scared of that, too.

I had a friend of mine that swears to God that he saw a dude in a window in Manhattan when he was on masculine and the dude was like, you know 400 yards away and you could listen to every word that guy was saying So you could hear every word he was saying huh when he was on masculine like through glass and he has heard walls And he just was looking at the dude. He could so he could see him. He was watching him and he could hear him talk He swears it he you know he's a financial guy okay. Yeah, he's not a he's not a like a crazy hippie right he's a guy that when he was in college he took mescaline in New York City and He was looking out the window, and there's a guy way far away

He was looking at him through the window his window and that guy's window Sounds of the city fuck you through all that watching that guy can hear him talk. It's some cross-dimensional type. Who knows probably Probably there's probably like a frequency that you could tune into that We're all tuned into all the time sort of like when you know someone's talking about you and then the phone rings Them right like you know they're thinking about you or you know something people dismiss that oh, that's just chance That's just luck maybe maybe or maybe When you just thinking about someone for no reason and then they call you maybe there's some connection there

Maybe there's something going on. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah I have moments like that where I feel like it's just that's the universe Just universe and just trying to get you back to where you need to be. Yeah, I think there's something to that I think there's something to fate There's some strange element of it that seems to be true. Like I think that Free will is probably real There's some there's probably issues with this thing There's choices you make that determine how your life goes for

sure. But there also seems to be some strange element of fate. Every now and then things come along and go, Oh my God, this is what I have to do. This is what I have to do. This is what I'm supposed to do. Absolutely. And you may, you might be resisted. Like, I don't want to do this. But parties like this is what you're supposed to do. You can't shake it. Yeah, you can't shake it. It's not like the universe hits you with this frequency, this signal that lets you know this is the path

you're supposed to take. Some people are way better at following that. Some people are really good at following that feeling. What's your, how do you think you resonate on the scale of being good with that or not? I'm pretty fucking good with that. Yeah. I'm pretty confident with that or not. I'm pretty fucking good with that Yeah, that's I'm pretty confident with that good. I pretty I pretty I know Yeah, I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good with recognizing shady people. I'm pretty good pretty good not 100%

But I'm like I'm 95% I got you. I'm pretty fucking good I'm pretty good knowing which path to go when to take a chance when to just go You know like when I moved out here, I moved out here in the middle of the Spotify deal. And they were like, what the fuck are you doing? I was like, I'm telling you, this is the place to go. I got it, I'm just gonna do this. This is the thing to do.

Did you already see what's happening now happening? No, no, no idea, no idea. Not a chance I would even have imagined that Austin would become like the comedy scene that it is now. I never thought that. I just wanted to exist in a place where people weren't fucking with me. And then when I got out here and I realized people weren't fucking with me and then Dave

and I were doing those shows at Stubbs, that reignited my desire to do comedy again. Then we started doing live shows at the Vulcan. And then Ron White got fired up about it. And I was like, okay, we got people out here now. And then other comics were moving here because you couldn't do any shows in LA. And they'd see us doing shows out here. And they were like, hey man, fuck this, I'm just gonna go. And a bunch of them came.

And we didn't even have a club then. So then I felt like, okay, I talked these dudes into coming here. Like now I have to just like build it. And then we just did it. but it was just all following instincts. It was like this is this is the path This is what you're supposed to do How long did you? Think over this Like move not very long

No, my my instincts were to get out when I saw those cop cars on fire on the 10, I was like, okay, I see where this is going. Yeah. You know, I got here just after the riots, just after the riots. That's when I, or LA rather. I got there in 94, just after the riot, the Rodney King riots. it was weird like the City had just recovered So I remembered and then I watched all those videos of the chaos that happened when the police lose control the city And it just becomes madness. I was like, oh God get the fuck out of here. He does and then but back then there was no defund the police talk in LA

It was all defund the police defund the police like You know I was like yeah Over here yeah, I was like nah Fuck I need to call the motherfucking cops. What are we talking about? Yeah, I was like nah we gotta keep got fuck I need to call the motherfucking cops. What are we talking about? You cannot doubt that to me was like, all right weird we've lost sight of Can't everybody just do whatever they want whenever they want all the time have it be there without the time They got it. There's got to be be some order here there has to be there has to be a line. Yeah, it's important please

Please because this is all I know yeah, you know if that goes away, then what the fuck you got chaos Yeah, and I don't want that no. I don't think anybody wants that just before you That's a crazy statement yeah I don't think anybody wants that. Just before you... That's a crazy statement. Yeah. Well, the wildest thing is having those people now, later, call for more police. Like, since some of them got, like there's this one politician,

and she was like, let me be clear, my goal is dismantle and defund the police. And everyone's like, yay. And then recently she got carjacked and pistol whipped. And so she's got blood pouring out of her head and she's like saying we have to fire these people and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law with what with no police because you defunded the police like what who's gonna go get them are you gonna go get them that guy that pistol whipped you you gonna go find him and take his gun away right and say you are gonna go in a

cage now to make the world safer yeah Yeah, no, please do that stupid, right? That's that's that part of the police The important part. Yeah the part that keeps you safe you fucking idiot This idealistic perspective that so many people have just such virtue signaling bullshit. You don't even know what you're saying Yeah, I mean I had to get lost I had to get out of there man. I was lost in that shit for a while What's that you hated LA? I've really hated LA not in the hate LA I just couldn't I didn't know how to do LA and the people that I

resonated with in LA was The people that I resonated with in LA was comedians. I would just only hang at the store. That was my social life, was that spot and another spot where my buddy would give me free drinks and I could smoke cigars down in the lounge. That was it, I didn't know how to really move around. I didn't understand how to mix and mingle in a music space.

I knew how to hang with the weirdos. Yeah. The cats who were just off and didn't take themselves too seriously. Yeah. You know? Well, I remember very clearly when you moved back here. Yeah.

Because I remember you saying, oh, man, this is so much better. This is just what I like. Yeah. I remember I met Ron White, or like I was hanging with him. He's like, yeah, I'm going back to Texas and I spend more time in Texas. And I remember running into Post Malone out there. And I was like, what's there to do in LA?

He's like, I don't know, man. I'm getting the fuck up out of here. So I was like, everybody that I was connecting with at that certain time was like, I'm out too. So I was like, let I was connecting with at that time was like I'm out too. So yeah I was like, let's just go back to Texas, you know and and Do that. Yeah, you talking about how great it was to be back here and Ron talking about how great it cuz Ron came first Mm-hmm Ron was the guy good cuz when he was out here he was out here before the pandemic and I was like you really Love it there. He's like I fucking love it. I love it

He goes is the best place easiest place to fly out of yeah fly anywhere in the country. It's in the middle It's just like it's like it's a great fucking town. Everybody's cool It really is. Yeah, it really is man. So Gary that guitars just sitting there. Huh? That guitars just sitting there. All right. Well, here we go You need to bust that guitar out. How about if you... I'm gonna teach you. Oh, wait I'm gonna teach me. Hey, this is for you.

This is a guitar pick that's made from mammoth ivory. Mammoth ivory? Yeah, that's from a mammoth. That's from my friend John Reeves. Really? Yeah. He's got a place up in Alaska called the Boneyard. That thing that you have in your hand is probably 10,000 years old at least. And you want me to... Fuck yeah, that's yours.

Throw on my guitar? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or do I put it in a case? That's what it's for. No, no, no, no, no. You play with that. I got another one here if you break it. I kept a second one here.

Nice. Should I play? Anything. Nice. What should I play? Anything. What do you want to play? What do you feel like playing? Oh, I don't know, man. I feel like... I feel like... Do you feel like playing new shit or old shit?

Let's play playing new shit or old shit? Let's play some new shit. Let's play some new shit. I've never played this new shit like this. With an acoustic. A little backstory on this guitar. I did an event with Joe Walsh, Vets Aid, and he and his wife Marjorie gifted me this beautiful guitar. It's one of my favorites to play around with at the house. Should I tune this thing? Whatever you want to do man.

You tell me. Oh man. Again, this is what I love about music. I don't know what the fuck is going on. You know what? Well I don't know either. We'll figure it out. Do you tune it with your phone?

Well I got a, there's a tuning app on my phone. I can just use it. So that way I don't have to bring a box of stuff. How's it work? Just here's the note. And it knows. And like you set it to standard tuning it'll get you right to where you need to be. And it's all just tension on the strings. Tension on the strings will get you to the note you want to be at. So right now, this one is, the string is sharp.

So you got to release some tension so the note goes down. See, so you're trying to get it in the green. Oh, I see. Oh. It's reading the hertz, the wave, the frequency. Wow. There you go. Too high or too low, and you try to match the perfect.

And that's how you explain it like a professional. Well. Like what? just trying to help. You actually went to school for that? Yeah, I didn't and that's why I was not like an idiot talking about it. It's crazy there's an app for that though. That's amazing. Yeah, this is one of my favorite things about having the technology for this. I can make music on this phone and transfer it over to files on my big rig at the studio and incorporate them into records that I'm making.

Wow. You know, so. What a time. Yeah, right? As much as I bitch about it, I use it all the time. So what a time to be alive. Yeah. What a time to be alive.

Indeed. You have a few self-cartoons. Speaking of. What is this? Sorry to interrupt. It's just in self-toons. Cheers. Cheers, my boy.

One more time. Thanks for having me, dude. My pleasure. Thanks for being here. Good to hang with you. We're going to get on that double date. Let's do it. I'm free Saturday night.

Want to go on Saturday night? Yeah, absolutely. Let's do it. Saturday night. All right. My wife's in town finally. Beautiful. Let's go. Let's go. So many good places to go out here too. Yeah, that's one thing that I realized is I don't know shit. I've just been in the house. Mmm. And in the studio. Yeah. So my time to come up and figure out what's going on in the world is

Is a Ship has sailed my friend. Hmm till the album drop day I want to sleep for like a good day and a half Turn my phone What is album drop day which day? March 22nd. Oh, that's which is tomorrow Tomorrow. Oh today as you're listening today today. Oh, that's today, as you're listening. Today. Today.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Here it is. Here we go. So cheers to that. Cheers to that. I'm just gonna go ahead and down this thing. Okay.

Because that's how I feel right now. Ah. Woo. No, actually nevermind, I'm not. Ah. So let's play some music. Let's play some music, Harry. And then after this, you're gonna learn an E chord.

Okay. Some new shit. It's called habits. While I talk about downing a glass of whiskey. I've got deadest hair I just can't break When I think about it I start to shake I've been feeling like this for a while And I always hide behind my crooked smile And I keep running and searching

Chasing my tail I've lost my days and I've had bad And I would have traded for the time that we had White lies, oh white lies White smiles on a crying night Lucky to find it serves I keep it running in circles, chasing my tail It looks good on the surface, and I need some help I'm out of here, yeah Trust me, I've only got one shot From the moment we started You gotta stay nobody

I don't stop it I got everything I need More than I wanted But it means nothing when you're gone Gone Gone But it means nothing when you're gone Gone It means nothing when you're gone, gone away

I know nothing is for sure I know nothing is for sure I know nothing is for sure. I know nothing is for sure. Alright. Something like that. How often do you do these acoustic? That's the first time I've done it.

Oh wow. I'm just figuring it out. Sorry if I didn't really sell it to you. There it is. That's awesome. That's amazing. You did it here for the first time. Alright. What do I have to do... Can you pull up an E chord? Like fingering? Yeah. Finger placement? Are you lefty?

No, right handed. Yeah, don't... Guitars are supposed to be banged up a little bit, don't be scared of that. Okay. What do I do? That one maybe. Oh boy. Let me get one of these picks. How cool are these things? That's amazing. Which part do you hold? Do you hold the fat part? The fat part. Some people hold the...it's kind of whatever but this kind of gives me the sting that I need. Okay. As far as tone goes. I'm gonna keep hitting this guitar. Alright so I'm putting this finger on the third.

Yeah. And then this one on the fifth. And this one right below that. Yeah you gotta slide them in the same spot. Slide them in the same spot? Yeah, they've got to be in the right. What am I doing around? Those two bars.

Oh. Tighter. See it throws that out of the little. All three of them are in the same spot? No, you can't see that from there. Two of them are in the same spot. See that little spot there? Different strings, same fret.

They've got to be in that little spot there. Yeah, I've got fat fingers. It's all right. This red Volkart is one of the baddest dudes to play a telecaster. And he got some. OK, I think I got fat fingers. It's all right. This red Volkart is one of the baddest dudes to play a telecaster, and he got some. OK, I think I got it. I think I'm on the right one. No.

Almost. That one. Right? Is that it? And then where do I hit it? Am I doing it right? Push it more? Down, right here.

Down? This one. Like that? That one? There you go The 12th string guitar might not be helping the most but Right there right here. Yeah, okay You gotta strum the strings now. Yeah

It's close pretty close It is yep There you go, you're on your way to the best folk song anybody's ever heard. That's it. Crazy, E minor. You can do a second chord. Just release one finger. Yeah, just release the first finger.

Release your pointer finger. Put it back down. You go back and forth between two chords. There it is. Yeah, almost got a song. Album coming soon. Album coming soon. I can see how this can get very addictive. This could be a real problem.

See? This could be a real problem. Right? Yeah I'm telling you man, like once I first played an E chord on a Fender Stratocaster through a Fender Twin Redknobs, 1990s amp, it was over for me. I quit caring about everything. I could see how this could be very addictive. You want me to take it away?

Yeah. It seems like it would take forever to get good at too. Nah, I think with a guy like you who's like disciplined, a guy like you, like discipline is no problem. Mmm. Right? Yeah, it's a problem. It's a problem that I have too much of it.

It's obsession more than discipline. Well then you'd probably be good at that in probably about a year and a half. Uh oh. And you'd be out here kicking ass. And I'd have to go sit down somewhere and I'd be settling in on my photography job. Damn. Somewhere in Montana. I might have to learn how to play guitar.

That was fun. Yeah. I get it. You know? I get it now. Right? Yeah. Don't think too hard about it.

But now I'm thinking too hard about it, because I'm thinking about all the different positions on the guitar. We were listening to both Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan Voodoo Child, the different versions of it last night. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's like Stevie Ray Vaughan is the only dude that it doesn't offend me

when they cover Voodoo Child. Yeah. You know? Like Voodoo Child, slight return, Hendrix, 67, 68, was so fucking good, man. It's like anybody covering that is like what are you doing? But Stevie put like his own weird flair on it Yeah And I'm thinking about all the different positions of the fingers and the sounds and the thing and you are singing while you're doing

That too. You're not just doing that. You're also manipulating your voice Yeah But as far as voodoo Child goes, who's engineered that? Was it Eddie Kramer? I don't know. With the panning and the psychedelic back and forth and the shakers. It's... Oh my God. It is otherworldly, man.

It's so good. That right there is... You can't you can't recreate that. Standing next to a mountain I chop it down with the edge of my hand. I gotta say I got asked to do a cover and I've always been hesitant about doing covers of Hendrix or Stevie and I did it and I was like yeah that's the reason why I've never done it Well, let me tell you something man. I know that you and Suzanne

Were I know you were even either talking or actively tried to do a version of Midnight Rider because I was there That how many years ago was that well you guys did that downtown in LA? Was a long time ago Somewhere around a decade ago I brought my oldest daughter and we saw you guys live and it was insane and it was like a Monday night or some shit At midnight and some weird bar in downtown LA who what it was like an alcohol company put that on right? Yeah, we were in business with an alcohol company, which we soon got out of, because I didn't think that they really liked us. Why would you send somebody that much alcohol?

If you really liked them. They like you too much. But they sponsored this thing, so it was a very small gathering of people. But you guys did a copy, you did a cover rather than that rider was fucking amazing Yeah, it was fucking mad. I never played that song before Suzanne was just like come sit in she didn't play before either She had to read the lyrics off her phone. That's right. That's right. So yeah, we try to

You trying to put something together. You gotta cover that. I was so good, man It was so good because it It was so good. Because it was Midnight Rider but with your flair to it. This is from my Instagram. Can you play this? Deadass this one has gotten us flagged before. Oh that got us flagged before? That's hilarious. That was so good though. That was such a fun night. Oh my god what a night. That was back when she was with honey, honey. Yeah Decade ago and that crazy I've been doing he's a bad motherfucker man. What year 2016 16 close to a decade ago Eight years ago. Yeah. Yeah

Yeah, you guys have to cover that Yeah, I think did we try do we do it? I can't even remember we might I haven't heard it. Oh, yeah, nobody sent it. Oh, I haven't seen it Yeah, I feel maybe it was a dream. I think you guys were in talks I remember Suzanne was saying you guys are gonna do it. I think we did it I think we did it, but I think I did it like in the middle of one of my sessions like so when I'm in it was in my Mode and I remember I Think we did it. I

Feel like she said you guys were gonna do it Until no, I think done. It's it's done somewhere. It's done. It should be done. It's done I think she's I think she has it that's crazy that I don't even know that is crazy I don't know what that says about my brain. Do you have a lot going on? Yeah, that's what it says What something that would be like a milestone for some people is just like a part of every day your life No, I'm pretty sure we did it though. I Feel like she told me you did it, but I can't not positive I Know she I felt like she said something like you were gonna do the music first and she was gonna sing over the music I

Don't remember. I think she did the record damn. That's fucked up. No She had to do it with you You know no no no no no I think she actually did the track as far as recorded with her band Oh really stop Elisa dude. That's so crazy. That's just like a blank spot You know, I think she actually did the track as far as recorded with her band. Oh really? I believe so. Dude, that's so crazy. That's just like a blank spot in my mind.

That night was a fun night. Yeah it was. It was a fun night because it was just, that's one of those nights where like you get to see something where very few people get to see it, you know? Just like when we saw the fight at the UFC Apex Center and there's no one there.

Yeah. You get like, you're like, wow, I'm so lucky to be here. Yeah, but you know, Suzanne is a special artist. She really is. She's really kind of a powerhouse. I remember the first time I met her, she was doing Honey Honey at this funky sessions thing in LA. And just the voice, man, just the voice, the songwriting is like... She can play anything. She plays violin. She plays guitar. She plays everything. We got cuts on this album that

you know we're not releasing but gonna be used for something else where she plays amazing violin on some stuff. she sings over she's incredible she's amazing she's and I didn't realize like when you work in the studio with her you realize how genius she is mm-hmm like she's not playing around no no she's really good you know she's a studied I have a friend of mine as a musician we did an end of the world show on December 21st, 2012, because that was when the Mayans thought it was gonna be the end of the world.

I remember, I was watching, I was freaked out, I was ready to go with y'all, man. So we did an end of the world show, and I said, let's put together a real fun show. So it was Stan Hope, Joey Diaz, me, Honey Honey, I think Duncan was on the show too. And so we did the show in LA. And my friend who's a musician,

he saw her and he goes, yo, he goes, that girl is fucking talented. He goes, dude, she could play anything. Look at her, her voice is incredible. She plays a violin, this is insane. Yeah, and she's a badass guitar player, badass writer. She does everything. Yeah.

And she's cool as fuck. Absolutely. She's so fun. She's so fun to be around. She's hilarious. I feel like if shit went down and you needed her to squad up with you, like she could throw.

Yeah. Yeah, do you want her on your side in the apocalypse? Absolutely. She'd figure it out. Absolutely, yeah. So much respect to her. Yeah, much respect to her. Much respect to you too.

Congratulations on the new album. Thanks, dude. It's beautiful. It's awesome. It's always good to hang with you. Thanks for listening and hanging. Anytime. Thanks for the cigar. Yeah, no problem. I got you. Alright. Let's go out. Saturday night. Let's do it.

Let's do it. Alright, that's it. Bye, everybody. Thanks for watching!