The Joe Rogan Experience - #2126 - Donnell Rawlings

Episode Date: March 27, 2024

Donnell Rawlings is a stand-up comic and actor. Catch his new special, "Chappelle’s Home Team – Donnell Rawlings: A New Day,” on Netflix. www.donnellrawlings.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by Dave, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. I don't want to try to do you dirty, Don-El. Don't do that, man. Don't do that, man. Don't start with that. Birds flying high, you know how I feel. They tried to do you dirty.

Breeze drifting on by, you know how I feel. They tried to do you dirty. It's a new day. It's a new day. It's a new day. It's a new day. It's a new day. It's do you dirty. Breeze drifting on by. You know how I feel. They tried to set you up. It's a new day.

It's a new dawn. They tried to label you. It's a new life for me and I'm feeling good. You look good. You look real good. Where'd you get that suit? Who made that suit for you? La Coutinho out of Brooklyn and some Korean tailors that I've been working with for the last two years. And they trying to make me go from Ashley to Clashly and it's a new day.

I think it looks great. And another thing you don't know is about this suit, Joe. I smell as good as this suit looks. Okay, what are you using for smell? What is it called? Sent, portrait of a lady. It's an Arabic company. That's all I know. And I got a guy that outsources my colognes. What do you do? A little here, a little here, and a little on the wrists?

How do you do it? Do you spray it and walk through it? I spray it, walk through it, and then I do that an annoying amount like, okay, we get it. You got some nice cologne on right now. But it's good to be here. There's something nice about a nice suit, man. It does make you look professional. It makes you work on your posture. And one thing I did, another thing that I came here today, and it was my intent, Joe, to break all the stereotypes.

So I got here 20 minutes earlier than I was supposed to be here. You came 20 minutes late. You enforced the stereotypes. And I wore a suit without a court date, without a funeral, and without a marriage proceeding. So this is the whole thing of Don-El in a new day and changing his life.

I'm going through a transition. What motivated this? Law and order? No, law and order didn't motivate this. Law & Order, first off, Law & Order is one of the most respected franchises in the history of television. It's been around a long time. Shout out to our performing.

Shout out to Dick Wolf. And shout out to everybody that's a part of that. And they say in New York, they say that you can't call yourself an actor in New York unless you've been in law and order. That makes sense. It makes so many. I mean, how many versions do they have?

I've been in every... When I first began in my career, people really thought I was a dramatic actor more than a comic. I was booking a lot of stuff. I've been on every one of the episodes, not episodes, the shows, and out of them, I think 80% of them, I was arrested. And I was like, wait a minute, am I getting typecast? Every time I was, they'd be like, action, I'm not just, and what'd I do?

What'd I do this time? Every one, every one of them, I got arrested for something. How many of them are there? How many law and orders are there, Gene? Special victims? special victims special victims I'm gonna say how many guests I'm gonna say five Five different Law and order special victims unit to organized crime three

Law and order special victims unit to organize crime three Adapted series law and order Toronto criminal intent Five trial by jury six la seven true crime eight hate crimes. Oh, this is a in development hate crimes Dedicated hate crimes But that brand is like I don't think those guys, I mean, Dick Wolf and Arthur Formy, when I first, I did it years ago, when I first did it, Arthur Formy was the director when I did it.

And that was like, and I think like in 2000. And then recently, people love to watch those shows where they get the bad guy. Yeah. You have to catch the bad guy. And you have they get the bad guy. Yeah. You have to catch the bad guy. And you have to have a bad guy. Yeah. You have a bad guy, and you've got to catch him.

But everybody is more interested in the bad guy more than anything. That's in life general. Yeah. That's why you find so many people that necessarily don't have a lot of talent, but they subscribe to the bad guy side of it and want to be negative, and then everybody draws to that. The bad guy is winning like a motherfucker. The bad guy is winning.

In what way? Yes. In what way? What do you mean? I'll just say like this, and I'm not being specific to anybody in general, even in the world of podcasts right now. Right?

The model for a lot of people now is like, say some outlandish shit, say some shit that's gonna piss somebody off, say some shit that's gonna make people hate you, and now you have a platform, and you have a successful platform, because at the end of the day, with this, it's all about engagement it's all about can you get people to engage and

At the end of day if you can do that whether people like you or not you win Sort of but I think people get tired of that they get tired of conflict if your whole business is Conflict people don't want to be in conflict all the time. And they realize that a lot of conflict is unnecessary. And if you're the type of person that likes to talk about conflict constantly and talk about it online, you probably also are willingly participating in it. Maybe a little too willingly. Like maybe you're getting, you know,

you're creating problems, creating problems in your own life, even as you get attention, like be careful what you wish for. Cause if you know, you're creating problems, creating problems in your own life, even as you get attention. Like be careful what you wish for. Because if you're known for just talking shit about people, and then you become successful, then people are gonna talk shit about you. They're all gonna come after you. But the people that like that,

they don't have a conscience to even care about that. Yeah, but everybody has a conscience. I just think we accept a certain amount of bullshit. We accept it. And I think you should just concentrate on doing whatever the fuck you do well. You don't have to just say outlandish shit and be so negative.

I just don't think it's necessary. You don't, but you are living in a different world than black Twitter No who you went to the people you're speaking to yes, but black Twitter I get it and on these urban sites Yeah, you could be negative for years and years and years and years and years and years and years and a motherfucker will come up And that's the truth. Mmm, you have around a world of oh He's a jolly good fellow But in that dark world in that black Twitter world, it's a lot Lot of negativity and it's very unfortunate. That is unfortunate

That's a very unfortunate thing. I Don't enjoy that. I get it Twitter it no Insulting people getting mad at people at a certain point in your life. I realized That does there's no room for that in life You don't have to you can avoid it for the most part if you get avoided in your immediate life You could probably avoid it in your internet life too. I think you avoid that conflict and negative energy the more successful you become,

because I think that creates a I don't give a fuck about bullshit attitude. I think a lot of the anger and a lot of frustration that comes with a lot of people is the beginning of the stage, it's the beginning stages. But when you get, like we were talking about it earlier, damn it, fuck, you gave me that joint too quick.

You gave me that motherfucking joint too quick. We were talking, this is a bad one. Because I tried to get that pause to get my foot back, I don't know what the fuck you just gave me, but it just erased everything I was just thinking about. You were talking about as you get successful, it's easier to avoid conflict, which I probably agree with. Also, you're comfortable enough where you could recognize the patterns that are beneficial

and not beneficial to you in your life. And conflict is never beneficial to me. Like even conflict that I've engaged in that was necessary. That's been your entire, not even as a fucking young Joe Rogan, you didn't have to end your life. Fuck this or fuck that motherfucker, I don't give a fuck.

You've always been this calm. You've always been this collected and this calm your entire career. No, definitely not. So that goes to my point. Yeah, but I learned how to do it. Because I realized, you know what happened once, man? This is a true story.

I was watching this dude on stage and I was hoping that he was bombing. I was hoping he would bomb because he went on after me. I didn't want him to do well. And I realized, I go, what a bitch ass way to think that is so you want someone to not do I was 21 and I'll never forget it, but that's the age though Joe. That's the age when you like fucking that's it night night. Well at that age everyone is so ambitious and competitive that was getting into comedy at that time that it was like

It wasn't very there was there wasn't a lot of camaraderie between like the open time, that it was like, it wasn't very, there wasn't a lot of camaraderie between like the open micers, because everybody was like super desperate. Like, do you remember the desperate days where you weren't sure if you were ever gonna be a professional? Like, there's desperate days.

I never, I never felt that way. Never? I'm telling you, it's not being cocky or whatever you wanna say. I've never felt that way like The first open mics the first open mic ever did I got a stand-in ovation? That's insane I got a stand ovation. I think it wasn't a stand ovation because I had the best material um, I was the funniest but Earlier on I used to go to the comedy clubs and fuck with comedians, right?

And I probably shared this, I used to heckle comedians and people started coming to the show to see me heckle. So it was a thing, this is why when people say I'm an interrupter, I've been an interrupter. I've been an interrupter before I even got on stage. That's hilarious, how old? I was like, I had to be like 21 or 22. Perfect.

And the thing was, it was starting to build, people started getting excited for me. They knew that I was the guy in the audience that was funny, but it was like some people in clubs, they hang around, you'd be like, man, he should do it. You know what I mean? Or like one day he should try. So I had ruined all other comedians careers, whatever.

You know, I just destroyed them. They used to come up to me and be like, could you not fuck with me? I'm working on some new material. I'm like, it's my job to heckle you, and it's your job to try to be funny. You were a professional heckler. I was a professional heckler.

That is so insane. So much that, and I drew. I was drawing an audience. That's so, how has this happened? It just happened. And then eventually the club wanted me to shut the fuck up. Right, they was like, we'll shut his ass up if he go on stage.

And then the audience, people really started coming to see me talk shit. And I think the night, the first night I went on, I think it was to build up something people felt like, this dude is gone. It felt like I was working for Safeway as a security guard in a grocery store. And the first time I went on stage,

all the people that for my job used to come, they all looked at me like, he's about to quit or get fired. It was just something that, by chance, I never thought about doing comedy. I used to go there because I got free promotional tickets. I never was the guy when I was younger, at 13. When I first looked into the mirror, I knew that comedy is what I wanted to do.

It was never that. It just so happened being in that situation, I went up, I ripped it, and when I ripped it, the first time I went on stage I knew I was like this is what I will be doing for the rest of my life and I didn't say it and with that thought Joe I didn't feel like I'm gonna be rich I'm gonna be famous I'm gonna have a TV show for the first time I went on stage only thing I want to do is be good that's almost to this point my career career now. I'm like, if you good, and this applies to anything in life, if you good at something and you're really good at it and you're passionate about it and you study it and you just live

by that, eventually you're going to get the rewards of that. I never was like, I'm going to get a TV show. I was just like, man, if I'm good, I'm going to be able to work this club. If I'm good, I'll be able to work this club if I'm good I'm gonna be able to work this club and then things will start happening for me so I think when I first started my friends and family they was really really rooting for me to do it and the moment I went on stage I was like this is what I will be doing for the rest of my life wow and never thinking about it's gonna make me rich or anything you ever feel guilty that you start off as a heckler now that you're a comedian No

Honest man Joe I'd like heckling motherfuckers Joe. I'm a natural-born heckler. I Like that in DC. We call it Jonan, right? Jonan, that's why did it be called Jonan? I don't know why they called it Jonan, but it was just Roasting it was the black way of saying if it's if you want to compare it was like roasting What an interesting word Jonan. Why did they come up with that? Is he think that was like a person who was like really good at it? I don't know if it was a dude named Joan. I don't know. That doesn't make sense. I don't know the history. A lot of

black words I'm not gonna have know the history of it. You might want to Google. Have you ever heard that Jamie? Urban Dictionary. Do you ever use that as a resource Jamie? Yeah go for it. Urban Dictionary has saved a lot of white people that cook out to barbecues. Yeah, but we, and I'm like, I used to love heckling. I didn't know you couldn't heckle until, in comedy there's an unwritten rule. They was like, you can't, the rule is you can't

Joan him. Put down and make fun of someone. Yep. Quit Joning on me, you'll get smacked. I wonder who Joan was. Joan was a lady. Joan. No, I don't think. I know this fool ain't Jonah on a wall. Let me get that part Joe. Let me get the rest. Let me say, I'll take the second half.

You get the first half. I get the rest. Let me say, I'll take the second half. You get the first half, I get the second. Does that make sense? It just could be someone just joked like. It's probably just someone named John that was really good at insulting people. No, no, no. I understand that sentence. Where I came from, that's what it was.

The joke on the nigga. That's what it was. Urban Dictionary nailed it. that's what it was. The joke on the nigga. That's what it was. Urban Dictionary nailed it. That's what it was. But it wasn't scripted. It wasn't like you had writers or anything like that. It was just you. In the moment.

In the moment, you look at that person up and down and you just go for it. And I used to, oh man, I used to Joan motherfuckers out. And then the rule was in comedy, you're not supposed to yell out, in comedy you comedy not supposed to Joan or say anything to another comic which I fucking hate this rule Yeah, people don't like to be interrupted don't know I know but don't not everybody likes to do it your way All right, but Joe have you ever felt and you have discipline? You've been watching a motherfucker and you just like I just

want to say something. You never felt like yes I just want to say I want to wait to get off stage I want to just say something in that moment. Especially if you've had a drink. Yeah yeah I've been in that situation. If you've had a drink and you're like this is nonsense. You would just want to yell out. Yeah. And it's not to be nasty or nothing. You just can't help it anymore. You just feel like you got to say something. It's so funny. Some years ago, me and Tracy Morgan was at a show.

And me and Tracy Morgan started comedy about the same time. And he was like, man, I'm sick of these wack motherfuckers, man. I just want to say something. I said, but you know you can't heckle the comedians. He said, we should do a tour. Go all across the country to comedy clubs, not to perform, just to heckle my fuckers from the seats. Which I thought was a fucking brilliant idea.

That would be so, you talk about something that builds character. Could you, it's almost like a roast battle. Could you imagine putting mediocre comedians on stage and having like great comics in the audience heckle them? Yep, you know what? That would be terrifying. It would be terrifying, but guess what?

I guarantee you, Joe, if you had 20 mediocre comedians, one or two would stand out as the one that would break away. Yes. And if you did something like that, that's what you would be looking for. Somebody's gonna say fuck it. It's gonna be a shark tank. Yes. And if you did something like that, that's what you would be looking for. Somebody is going to say, fuck it. It's going to be a shark tank. Yeah. Right. So you, you'll, you'll recognize like real early on what of your material soft, what of it's

but what, what, what out of your materials bullshit. If you have to do it in front of people that you respect, it's going to make you step your shit up or it's going to make you have enough attitude and personality to pull any joke off because you know what it is half the shit that you deliver for the most part is stage presence yeah it's a stage presence you can you know it's how you respond how do you react to an audience coming at you dude David Tell was at the mothership this weekend. And I saw him Sunday night. Shhh.

Man, I don't know if there's a funnier person that's ever existed. You know what? He's so funny. Whenever I see his face, first off, if you see David Tell's face now, you saw it 30 years ago. Yeah.

Yo, he's like the white Morgan Freeman of comedy. He's been how he looks forever with a different color black hoodie on. It's so funny you mention his name. Something came up on my thread a day ago. Dave Tell is the type of guy, not even hearing what he said, you look at him and you say, I said I need to write more jokes. You're like somebody, their mere presence lets you know you got to write more jokes You're like somebody their mere presence Let you know you got to write more jokes cuz out of all the and I've watched David till 30 years

I can't remember a time when he has it went on stage with the mindset. I'm working on some new shit always Always always always and you like how the fuck can he keep? That's what he doing this. He's just like really focused on that one thing. You know, he used to be an alcoholic. And when he quit drinking, he got way better when he quit drinking, man. You know, like if something happened to him, some comics, there's something that happens. They're like, they're drunk from the young and then they quit drinking and they're not as good anymore because they're not as fun. Because when they were drunk, they were wild. I've figured out a way to balance both You don't we can't an older job

but what I was gonna say is that it tells the best example because what he did was he quit drinking and then Immediately got way better and just keeps getting better like all that focus is now just on stand-up I get it. I think about that sometimes. Dude, he was so good. It was mind-blowing. He was just on fire. He has a recorder. He plays like a little flute.

I saw that. That's the clip that came up. And I just thought the one part I remember he said, you have this instrument. He said, you have the head, the shaft, and the taint. He'd say he was reference that the flute or whatever it was to, of course it was a penis, but I was like, that was just, fuck,

he's nice as shit at it. He's got like a formula in his mind of how to make fun of everything. And he's so in tune right now that he can just kind of plug it into any subject and he just starts writing material. But Davis, he's always working on it. But he's not a fun guy to hang out with.

He's fun to hang out with. What? I like hanging out with him. Man, I get nervous. I feel like he's about to be on Law and Order or something. When I hang out with Dave, Dave will be talking to you and then all of a sudden he just disappears. But maybe it's just me, but yeah, he's not the party guy. He was fun hanging out at the mothership it was like because we have like the green room it's like a nice

relaxing place where everybody can hang out together but he's you know he's an odd guy he carries around a flip phone he texts you with to to to to to to to like will you press four Rs to get a right oh he's doing the old school test yeah you got to press it five times to get an ass or whatever it is you remember those I remember those and he does that that's how he sends you a text message doesn't just doing that with a flip phone have I kept him off of Diddy's Yacht yeah that was big connect Yeah. Ah! Oh no! Not being connected? Not being connected with too much communication keeps you out of those back rooms and keep you off those yachts.

That's hilarious. You don't invite a person to the back room or to a yacht if he has that phone. Yeah. Something is very suspicious about that. You don't get invited to those parties that get you movie deals.

That's just how they used to do Hollywood, man. Old Hollywood is the shit. Old Hollywood, that is exactly how they did everything. Tarantino was telling us that one of the old producers had a bedroom in his office. So he had his office, and then you go into his office, and he had a bedroom in his office. So he had his office and then you go into his office and he had a bedroom. And the bedroom is where he would fuck all the starlets.

And so he was the producer and if you're gonna be in his movie, he's gonna fuck you. That's old school. A bedroom. Do you know how many- In his office. You know how many women sitting out, listening to us and bringing back the good old days? You know, as I mean, I do you,

I do know you have some women like this, fuck that, I don't believe it. But you do still have a couple of women like, I don't wanna go to acting school. I don't wanna study. I don't wanna do anything. I wanna get it popping. Well, it seems like there was a real cleat,

look, no disrespect to actors, like there was a real clean look No disrespect to actors, but there's a lot of them and there's a lot of them that probably never make it That if they got the right breaks, they could have been as huge as some movie stars that exist today, right? Well, yeah, don't we agree on that? I agree with that would act and any would stand up Yeah but but it's specifically for acting, because there's a lot of people that can just go into acting. Like a lot of athletes have gone into acting and done amazing jobs.

But not too many of them are good though. But not- You still see Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Okay, who was in that Adam Sandler movie with the basketball player Rick Fox, I have in was taking a really really serious Kevin Garnett. That's right He's in That uncut gems movie and he's fucking great. He's not an actor

What it wouldn't work the other way you couldn't get a guy to do just stand up and just be fucking great the other way you couldn't get a guy to do just stand up and just be fucking great who's never done stand up true but you can get an you can get an actor out of a basketball player you get an you could turn a fucking rancher into an actor right he's teach him how to do some guys can do it what role did he play he played a basketball player But he played he played a dude who's ripping off Adam Sandler. Did you hear what the fuck you just said? He played a dude who's ripping off Adam Sandler. It doesn't matter Joe. I get that. I thought you was gonna say he played a rocket scientist. I'm just saying. So you're telling me Joe. You're saying. When he was going through, when he was doing his lines to Adam Sandler, it's very realistic.

That he's a basketball player. That he's not just a basketball player, he's a basketball player that's ripping off Adam Sandler, it's very realistic. That he's a basketball player? That he's not just a basketball player, he's a basketball player that's ripping off Adam Sandler. He steals a rock from him, he doesn't wanna give a rock back. There's no way that Kevin Garnett could have fucking ruined his role. Even Joe, listen to me. Are you hating?

I'm not hating what I'm trying to explain. I feel he's hating. No, I'm not, don't start it man. Black Twitter will come for me. I'm not hating what I'm trying to explain. I feel he's hating. No, I'm not don't start it bad black Twitter will come for me I'm not saying that there is no way He could have been bad playing a basketball player He was good, dude. It's I mean, it's a good. Okay. All right. Okay. Let me see Yeah, we can't watch

In trouble, all right, you can't watch it But I just want to see him stand up listen cuz right there I can see the dramatic side just said but when he stands up He's playing a basketball. He is but I'm telling you it's not about that It's about gambling addicts the whole thing's about gambling addicts the whole movie's about gambling addicts. It's a fucking amazing movie, right? I mean and not even seeing the the dialogue i mean hearing it or anything i could see like his face looks in this one but i still see a basketball kevin garnett basketball player this is tough yeah i know what you're saying but he's and is that a Celtic and that's a basketball ring yeah joe he played a basketball player, but he played himself in this movie

He's doing this thing where he's involved in gambling addiction. They're they're both they're all just making crazy bets Dude, the movie would give you anxiety I'll check it out like real anxiety like go don't don't fucking do it. Don't fucking do it So he was can give and Kevin Garnett is a good guy I wasn't trying to shit on I know you are I know you what I'm saying is that like cuz you kids the minute you start Joe you say why you hate the next thing you know next you know I'm being attacked by every urban blog country Joe Rogan was hating on Kevin Garnett said the niggas shouldn't actually just play

basketball that was certainly not my words I know it's not your words but the Joe Rogan was hatin' on Cameron Garnett! Said the niggas shouldn't act, they should just play basketball! That was certainly not my words. I know it's not your words, but it was the passion of my words. Yeah, even that- And that's how it starts. Even that's not what you really meant. But it's- but I'm sayin' as like, I think out of all the things, acting is probably, even though some people are ingenious at it, don't get me wrong, the most doable to a person.

Like that's the most, I mean, it's, you're most likely to be able to figure out how to do it. Like you might not ever be able to figure out how to sing. You know, you might not ever be able to figure out how to do stand up, but you're, you could probably figure out how to act. It's just pretend. be able to figure out how to do stand up, but you're you could probably figure out how to act. Yeah, I thought technically pretend Pretend and then you could get trained

Yeah, I still think it's something inside of you inside of you as an actor that takes you above the person Just like equally trained. Yeah, there's something that drives you to want to do something different and make different choices as an actor Yeah, it's called being mentally ill. Yep, and you're absolutely, I agree with you 100%. Most actors are, have some type of mental disorder. Think about it, it's like you're playing make-believe. All the time, professionally. All the time. And then if you get really famous for playing make-believe, at a certain point in time you're probably like, who the fuck am I? Who actually am I? Or who do I wanna be? Yeah, I mean, but you think you are this person

because you are getting all this adoration from all these people to see you play different people in movies. Like they don't even know you. And then you're like, what the fuck? How weird is this world that I've created where everybody loves me and they like me to pretend to be different people.

Who the fuck am I? But at the same time, you can give whoever you wanna be that day. I think we fuckin', when we wake up in the morning, we get in acting mode. You go to bed, you fucked up about something and you wake up in the morning like, you know what, fuck that bitch,

I'm gonna have a great day. You're acting like you're not dealing with what you did the day before. I think that's a part of our life. You, and I know gonna have a great day. You're acting like you're not dealing with what you did the day before. I think that's a part of our life. You, and I know this is a crazy question, you've heard it before, and it's like a generic question when you have a comedian that's done some acting stuff. Is it more challenging for you, acting,

or more challenging as a stand-up development new material? Well, it depends on what you'd be doing for acting. Like, I've never done a real dramatic movie or a dramatic role in a TV show. Everything I've ever done has just been silly. So that's a different kind of acting. Like, comic acting is, you know, it's just, it's basically scripted shit talking. You know, it's all of this. Yeah, but at some point, even with acting,

there's a moment, this is the scariest part for me. I can go in front of 25,000 and thank you, you've provided platforms where I can do that many people. I can go in front of 25,000 people and it feels, and I can hear, and it feels amazing. But it's the silence of when you know there's like 150 people behind the camera that rely on what you do right now,

and that silence, quiet, when everybody's completely focused on that one person, one that got delivered, and then action, that shit is terrifying. That shit is fucking, I'm telling you I could I've done shows with you and Dave where I've you guys created platforms to come out in the arena like I'm about to beat the fuck the world up but the minute you say quiet and you like and action action yeah and then you got And then you've got to go. And you got to really rehearse that thing. Really know what you're saying while you're saying it,

because you have to repeat these words in that order. You're not freestyling. You said earlier all the actors have even silly stuff. I think maybe first four or five part for first four or five years of my career, For the first four or five years of my career, everything I booked was dramatic. Nobody thought I was a comedian, or if you want to say a comedian, acting to the Chappelle show. I had did all of the law and orders.

I had did HBO's The Corner, where I played a heroin addict. I think this was like the third audition I ever went on. Third audition I ever went on. David Simon, Alex Foley. She's a big, big time. Foley, Foley's been a long time since I've been in New York, so I might be saying her last name, but she casts all the The Wire, Sopranos,

all that stuff. I went into an interview, I went to an audition for The Wire. I'm sorry, this was Jackie Brown Carmen. Alex was when we did, when we went back and did The Corner but I mean The Wire but for The Corner it was Jackie Brown Carmen. I went in for this audition. The audition was as a heroin addict, right? Charles Dutton directed this series. It won three Emmys. I played the character, Brad. That's my friend, Clark Peters.

He's an incredible, incredible fuckin' theater actor. Came from the theater background. So I'm doing audition, Joe, just out, and I'm green as shit in audition. And I'm like, man, I'm fucking this shit up, man. I ain't gonna get this shit. Jackie Brown Carmen said, "'Don-El, relax, be calm, God is in the room.

"'You'll be okay.'" And I fuck with God, but I didn't know if God goes to auditions with you or not, how much it would help, right? And I did my lines again, and I still thought I fumbled. I was like, man, I understand her support or whatever. I'm like, man, fuck this shit. I just started saying anything, right?

Four days later, I swear, sometimes you do an audition, you kind of feel when you're gonna at least get a call back. Right. I get a call, they said, you booked it. I was like, what the fuck? I was like, I could not believe it. I was like, I don't know how the fuck that happened. I was like, I know I wasn't prepared.

I was just saying anything and I wanted to get the fuck out of here and just go run right back to the stage. Fuck acting, I wanna work on my jokes. So we can onset David Simon. He was the original writer of the book, The Corner, with another police officer, it was, he did police journalism in Baltimore. So I saw him on set and I was like, I got a question.

He was like, man, thanks for being part of it. I was like, I got a question. I just had to know, right? I was like, I said, how the fuck did I get this role? Right, I'm already booked. I said, I swear, I the fuck did I get this role? Right, I'm already booked. I said, I swear, I thought I bombed that audition. And he said, Don-El, we like the way

you threw the lines away, right? So if you mean not prepared. He said, we like the fact that you threw the lines away. And he said, another thing, you didn't feed into the stereotype of the guy's addiction. Because everybody was going in there was just going straight to the lean of the addiction. The worst part of it, being high. And audition, they didn't want to see that.

They want to see who is this person not being high. And because I was off, because I said, fuck, I'm gonna just say it my way, that's what fucking got me to roll on that shit. Well that's probably the hardest thing to do, is to just say, just a free ball, and be in, you know, just say, I don't even remember the lines, but this is what I would fucking say.

Like if you, but if you do that. But some place, some platforms, they will allow that then you get sticklers Like when you start talking about HB on those guys, it's like they want you to say every word that was on that fucking paper But they also want someone who really sounds like they can say those words agree you like There's there's Things that a person has like a type of charisma that a person has like a person like yourself That like you either have that or you don't and if you have it and you can deliver it in some form Some way you could be coached someone can figure out how likely that will I'll help you memorize the lines

We'll work through them together. We'll go over things but in the end It's you it's you. It's you. You gotta go be you. But not everybody can even pretend to be you. Everybody don't, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And everybody don't have the heart to take those chances because that's the way, and I've never been trained,

but one thing that's always resonated when you talk about acting is like, make a decision, right? And let them bring you back. You know what I mean? It's better to go all out than to not do it and not, when I was doing HBO's The Wire, there's one scene when I get pulled over in the car

and I got like $30,000 of, people don't know if it's drug money, political money or whatever, and I get like $30,000 of, people don't know if it's drug money, political money or whatever, and I get arrested for it. And then the next scene, some kind of way, they have to let me go with the money. Basically, I came in with $30,000 and I'm leaving with $30,000.

And I just said, I'm gonna do a little improv, right? So it was like action. And when I left out the room, I threw the money over back of my shoulder and I said, some people got to have it. Some people really don't let money change. And then I looked back at the car and I said, oh, mighty dollar.

Everybody laughed but then it was like, nah, we ain't gonna use that shit, bring're gonna use But it's like making like at least they knew that I would take the chance you'll free ball. Yeah Yeah, you'll be loose and that's the thing. It's like some people just just can't be loose They just can't figure that thing out to be free There's always in their own way, but I think I think for me Even when acting has made it fun, the times I get it, is that I've made enough success in comedy and created a pretty good lifestyle off of that,

that I don't have that pressure of having to book a role. You know what I mean? Like a lot of actors now, it's like, if they gotta get this Right. You know what I mean? Like a lot of actors now it's like, if they gotta get this series, you know what I mean? Right. Just to continue the lifestyle they have. So it's always, for me acting's always been like, oh I'm just playing around, it's fun.

I mean, you know, get it? That's the best way to do it. Yep. Especially if you, you know, if your standup is going well, like everything just sort of can be fine you don't really care if you're doing a movie here or there but if you were only doing movies like those folks during the pandemic that kind of just went back to acting right because of a few comics

that just stopped. I was sick during the pandemic I was so happy that shit was over because I got sick of these writers that we never heard about doing spots. They was like this this guy wrote for a family guy. You're like, where the fuck you been? You ain't been in the trenches like that. People that realize they have fucking mortgages. Yeah. That's what happens. And then they realize, oh my God, I'm so connected to the TV system that if it goes down

because of the pandemic or another pandemic, I don't work for a year and a half. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? I think that made people have to figure out what their pivot was. Yeah, well, you can't rely too much on a system that doesn't give a fuck about you and a system that if you're paying attention to where it's going, a large amount of it is about to get sucked up by AI, like a giant chunk of the entertainment. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, a giant chunk.

Tyler Pearl, it was a story maybe like three weeks ago, and I think he was in the middle of either producing a movie or doing something. He was building an $800 million studio, and he paused the construction as soon as he saw us. What is it called? Sora? Sora. It can create entire scenes. Entire scenes. Entire scenes that look realistic. Have you seen it? I haven't seen it. Watch this. This video came out yesterday, I think. This is like a balloon head guy. It's

like a short film. All these scenes supposedly, I guess, are made by Sora. So this is all AI. Jesus. Yeah. It's over. They Jesus. Yeah, it's over. I don't know about the audio that could be done afterwards. It's just in my case, you know, it's quite obvious what that thing is. I am literally filled with hot air. Yeah, living like this has its challenges. Windy days, for one, are particularly troublesome. Or there was a one time my girlfriend insisted I go to the cactus store to get my uncle's area wedding present. This is crazy. What do I love most about my predicament?

That's pretty well made. I was and that's somebody just putting in the information. Yes, being created. Yeah, the new world entertainment joke. This is what my prediction is. This is such a leap. That is such a leap above everything. Now you have that to add this. This is what my prediction is this is such a leap that is such a leap above everything Yeah, yeah that to add this this is what's gonna happen eventually

And this is not the right thing to say especially about Hollywood the idea of agencies the idea of A&R all of those jobs about to be gone. And only thing you're gonna have is content creators. And the content creators are gonna cut the middleman

of the agency out and they're gonna go straight to the advertisers and the people that pay the money. You having to be connected with a certain entity or a certain agency, and they probably kill me after this, Joe. I'm true. This makes me illuminati right now. They're gonna kill me, Joe. Cat Williams and everybody kill me for my neck. I'm telling you, it's gonna come where all of those things that you needed to make it aren't gonna exist anymore. And we're close to that right now. Well, we already lost sitcoms.

So sitcoms were number one. That was like a number one job for a comedian. You get your own show. Yeah, that was the only job you wanted. That was the job that everybody wanted. And then they had comedy movies. Well, comedy movies have been drastically reduced. So the sitcoms gone, and then the comedy movies have been drastically reduced. So the sitcom's gone, and then the comedy movies

have drastically been reduced. But what did most people want to get for it, Joe? What did the comedians want to get for it? Two things, money and fame. Yeah, because there was no social media, and there was no YouTube, and so ticket sales were really dependent upon you being on a television show. 100%. Yeah, it was a big factor.

And it was, this is like, you probably heard this, and it's a conversation when it comes to, especially when it comes to comedy. You got the YouTube comedians, you got the social media comedians, like comedy now has broken down into so many definitions of what comedy is now. When we first started, there was only one definition. The minute you heard someone say comedian, it was nothing but a guy who grabs a mic, stands flat-footed and entertains the audience. It wasn't a comedian on boats, it wasn't that.

When you say comedian, you just associated with it. Comedian on boats? You know, I mean, just like, no disrespect to the rules guys guys is that we're talking about they find a lane and they love it but that's a tough life you know yeah that's a tough life but trapped on that boat telling them some fucking jokes but then some people got mouths to feed some that is that is look at they look at the um level of competition they look at this

they'd like this you know what and those guys are six figures Yeah, they make sure oh, yeah. Yeah, they do most of guys that do it is I don't think it's a point I've talked to guys. They didn't like doing it. Yeah, but they like it's very kind of depressing for some reason your first year So it's probably not especially if you're doing like $30 spots in Brooklyn here like when I would, that was a come up when I started. When I started, it's like, oh, you on cruise ships. I mean, you're getting, oh yeah, it was, because we didn't really have a lot to look up to

other than just making money off of it, you know? So that was, it was a regular job in standup comedy. But the point I was making about, even with that, the different definition of community and people, and they always, they break like all the old heads have a way of thinking, yeah, this and that. The thing that you have to credit is the work ethics you have to have

to get to a certain level, as if you wanna say a social media comedian, or it's a certain level, it's a certain work ethic as you have to be to get consistent with that. But the problem is, what some people have issues with is like, yeah, but some of them not that good. You know how hard it is to get good at something when you're already a millionaire doing it

at whatever level? What pushed us when we were coming up was that if I get good, I can get the money. But now it's like they got the money, so what is the urgency, unless you get that one or two that really, really care about the craft, what is the, who cares about being good at it when the end result is I'm getting paid off the shit. Well, you always want to be good at what you do, don't you? Some people, but the level of getting good at now is different.

Today, people are getting good at knowing algorithms. There's a lot of that. You know what I'm saying? They get good at knowing what the system is, which is fucking incredible. If you put talent on top of that, it should be... Yeah, if you're a smart person, you know how to really utilize the system.

I wanna say manipulate, but that's the wrong word. It really is utilized. Utilized. Because it's just, like Mr. Beast, that's a perfect example. That guy figured out how to make the right captions and how to make the right image that you click on for the YouTube videos the right the right title and then he figured out how to just keep

dumping money into his product and he figured out exactly where the algorithms are and he has it translated into different languages and that's just that's a definite that's that's what I'm saying is that's the skill set that's going to get rid of that guy's a unicorn though is that's the skill set that's going to get rid of a lot of jobs. That guy's a unicorn though. But here's the thing, I feel like if you have AI, whatever the next generation of chat GPT is, you could be able to devise a very effective business plan

that really made sense. The AI would sort of guide you step by step, like this is what you're going to do to achieve success. It'll probably even break it down. If you write for 20 minutes every day, that will increase your time of material by 50 minutes over the course of the next 10 months. And if you like do all the calculations, you're like, holy shit, is that real?

And if you really thought about it that way, like through artificial intelligence, you let it guide your career, it would probably do a fucking amazing job of like putting you into the perfect position to be. I mean, if artificial intelligence could really... So we're gonna be auditioning against motherfuckers. An artificial intelligence guy,

you like, you sending your tape in and then they got a motherfucker that's auditioning like this. Hey, I need Joe to be a police officer, arrest these guys for stealing. Don, we have to realize we're that close to them there being fake people. We're that close. I'm dead before they show up.

No, it's not. Cause I already deal with regular fake people Now we got artificially created fake people Oh Hollywood is fucking they're in trouble Oh Hollywood's dead. No, no, no, no for real though. Hollywood's dead. Just you Buried it you help bury it. I didn't do shit. Yes, you did You you you help bury it you you you ship you helped bury it you helped you

Showed motherfuckers something you could do today Probably didn't think you could do go somewhere post up do your shit and create a whole fucking comedy community in Austin yeah, I didn't think I could do it either you know you could do it I did not know I could do it. I did not know I could do it. Yes, you knew you could do it. I did not know I could do it. And you did it. I just did it. That's why I'll tell you. And you have, like, you doing it.

A lot of people are doing it. But I did your club, the Mothership. And it's like, anybody, not anybody, if you have enough money, you could build a nice club. Right? It's a nice club, state of the art, whatever, but it doesn't make it a comedy community, right? You know what I'm saying? It's like, that's gonna be the challenges of like all these people that open up comedy clubs and stuff. Dave has opened up one, I

think Mike Epps, there's a lot of them like popping up and I think that's the dope thing. But the thing is like it's it's a difference between having a comedy community you know. Yeah you have to do that on purpose. Yeah you know and that's one of the things that we did when we opened up the club was set up like a whole like these are the nights you're gonna have open mic know, we're going to have comedians audition to be door people so that like they'll be able to see guys like David Tell who's just there this weekend. And then you'll have like this very clear pathway. There's like open mic night, the talent coordinator will be there. He'll be able to watch you. Maybe he

can even give you some tips. Other comics can watch you. They see you working the door. You get to see all this great comedy. You get to be around all this great comedy. And then there's a lot of places to go in town. And we'll let you punch out. Seven days a week, right? They let people punch out. Like a comic has a set down the street.

They can punch out, go run down the street to a set, come back to work. That's how it was supposed to be. It's just seven days a week, right? Yeah, we're seven days a week. That's how I gauge whenever I go, and you don't never sit anywhere. Two nights open, mic nights, too. I always always gauge a club not gauging but you could tell how successful

a club is if they could run fucking seven nights a week well it's um you know it was the perfect timing it's it's just a weird coincidence of all these things happening that opened all these doors at exactly the same time like It's like going down the street and you hit every green light, like magically, and it just goes. You know, it's a system in New York. If you, on those streets, Second Avenue, in those streets,

if you drive 28 miles an hour, you will catch every light from like 20, 30th Street to about 115. That's a fact I know you didn't know, but I've tried it. I've heard that. Yeah, if you do it, I think it's 28 miles an hour, you, it's a straight shot.

Wow. A couple cats and dogs will get ran over in that process, but as long as you maintain that consistency of 28 miles an hour, you won't stop. Hmm. That was a fact that I know you didn't know. I had heard that before. I had heard that from cab drivers.

Is there anything you haven't heard, Joe? At this point in time, I always think that, but then Jonan comes along and throws me for a loop. At 16. At 16, the last time I was here, you didn't know what a hot 16 was. That's right. I didn't. Yeah.

But you asked me about this suit It looks sweet and as I'm watching myself from the camera. I'm like did I go overboard? No, no, no, no, you look great I wish I'd known I would have wore a suit too. I like wearing a suit. I know I remember Yeah, we did those arena shows and and your whole energy Changed what you had a suit on Like I did on my sped, I said, stop my feet, you start stomping your feet. And you said, you know, you could do your step,

but it's just something about, something that's classic about being able to do stand up in the suit. There is something about it. And that's how I felt, even when I did New Day. First off, this was my third time shooting this special. I told you the story. Yes.

And I remember, and I was really getting stressed cause every time I saw you, you would be like, when is the special coming out? When is the special? I'm like, I don't know. I fucking shot the shit, I don't know. First time I did the special during the pandemic, at the end of the pandemic,

when the clubs still had all this COVID protocol. And they had masks on. Yeah, masks on, then vaccination cards, have you been tested and what shot you had, Johnson and Johnson and all that shit. We did it in North Carolina. And we, Outback was already against it because the venue I chose, it held 600 people.

I think it was a Fillmore Theater, 600, 700 people. And we had a sale of 700 people. But then when Netflix was like, ah, where's your card, ah, where's this? It went down, the first show went down to like 250 people. Oh, they had to have vaccine cards to get in? All that shit. Which means now in the back of the show,

you gotta put a black curtain. Now you like looking at like a half-filled audience. They got masks on and shit. Did the show, first show went well. Right, first show went well. And then Dave was like, cause he produced it, Dave said, you know, if we don't get it, we can shoot it again. I'm like, motherfucker, ain't no time you know, if we don't get it, we can shoot it again.

I'm like, motherfucker, ain't no time to shoot this. We don't get it this time. Second time at it, I caught a Stan and O, Stan Latham going crazy, Ricky Hughes going crazy. We like, oh, we got it, we got it. And we announced that my special was gonna come out the same time we announced the earthquake special was gonna come out.

A week after that announcement, Dave calls me, he says, Don-el I want to shoot your special over. I'm like you know that's the most insulting thing. You tell a committee you want to shoot over the first thing you think what it wasn't funny? Right. That's the first thing. He was like I can put you in front of any audience you have ripped the room. He said but doesn't make it a great special. He set off everybody and the umbrella of the home team that people are really anticipating because your connection with that show is you. If we're gonna do it, we gotta get it right.

It was tough because I'm like, oh, this is gonna be the joint that give me a platform for people to see me do stand up. But we basically scrapped the shit. He said, Donnie, you had too much COVID jokes in there. And think about it, if I were to shot a special with mask in it, it automatically dates you to 2020. Soon as you turn around, it's like,

oh, this shit was during a pandemic. How wild was the pandemic? I miss it. I was thinking about the other day. I miss it, man. I miss not having to be around a lot of motherfuckers. I miss how people appreciated simple things. I miss how when you had a bubble,

you could block all this negative, all the haters out. You weren't allowed to come inside the bubble. Give me six feet, bitch. Give me six feet, bitch. Give me six feet, the bubble. And inviting who you wanted. I miss how people appreciate life. I think we should do like a lockdown week, a worldwide lockdown week,

once a year where the whole fucking world just shuts the fuck down. Yeah, that would be great except you can't tell people to shut things down because then you're gonna give the power to the government to shut things down whenever they want for a week and then they might decide two weeks is better maybe a month. You can't give them the power to shut things down. If people decide to not do anything. Well we should vote so we could vote on like a lockdown, like national lockdown day.

You don't want to take away freedom from people. I don't want to take away freedom. If people want to do it, they should be able to do it. If y'all agree to do it, do it on your own. Nah, fuck that. Fuck that, Joe. Joe, what happened when we started making people do something? Guess what happened?

When you make somebody do something, when you make somebody wash their hands, when you make somebody give you six feet, when you make them do something, when you make somebody wash their hands, when you make somebody give you six feet, when you make them do something, it forces some type of change. I'm not saying forever, but I think that we should have a joint where we just lock down everything for like a fucking week.

Everything is dead. That shit was fun. Some people died. Not that many. In comparison to the people people died. Not that many. In comparison to the people that lived. Not already sick. Point? It is a disease that killed people for sure,

but it's a disease that killed people with, what was the percentage? It's like a large percentage of them had four comorbidities. Oh yeah? A large percentage of the people that died fromidities. Oh, yeah, large percentage of the people that died from COVID four, four different things that are killing you. It just said wrap it up. It's like that came along to an already compromised human,

which is not to say that, because you shouldn't, you know, try to help compromised humans. But I'm saying that it's, it's not what they were selling it as or what people were terrified that it was gonna be. Yeah, but I know it was, I mean, for me- But it was so weird what it did for us, man. Do you remember those days at Stubbs? I went to Stubbs the other day to see the Black Keys, and it just brought me back to those days at Stubbs.

We did those shows there. It was like, there was a wild, crazy feeling about doing something when no one else was doing anything. It was fucking, I got high off of this shit. It was exciting. We were still doing comedy. And comedy was shut down everywhere. We were still doing comedy, we were still eating with groups of people.

We were hanging out. That's what I'm saying about appreciated. Then even, but a lot of people thought we were reckless. But you know, every part of this, it was protocol. It was like you know, every part of this, it was protocol. It was like, hey, every part of it was protocol. You weren't gonna be around anybody that hadn't been tested, period. It was just something about it.

Even when we saw each other, it was like, oh shit. We got excited about doing regular shit. Even when all of our crew caught COVID at the same time. It was like a chicken pox party. We went down from a team of 24 and every day, this is when I knew it was getting bad because I used to plan like the lunches for everybody and we had lunch like at 12 o'clock every day. And they were like, I wonder what we're gonna have for lunch.

It'll be 24 people. Then once the bubble popped, one day it was 22, And we had lunch like 12 o'clock every day. And they were like, I wonder what we're gonna have for lunch. It'll be 24 people. Then once the bubble popped, and one day it was 22, it was 20, it was 19, it went down to 12 to four people, you had to fend for yourself. The whole fucking crew caught it. And this is pre-vaccines, this is pre-...

That was right. It was right when vaccines was about to pop, because I had somebody... I know this sounds so ghetto. I had somebody that could get me to Johnson & Johnson on the low. On the low. People were excited to get it at the beginning. All of it.

I got it. I got it quick, too. I almost got it. I got lucky. See, now you like... I got lucky. I dodged that. Now, now, I'm wondering, ever since I got it, I'm waiting for some shit to happen in my body that I can contribute to that shit.

Well, a lot of people can. It did something to a lot of people. It's got a very high rate of side effect. Why you fucking with me now, man? It does. Which one? I think all of them. And what's that? I think, and I don't think any of them are good for you. I didn't. So what's gonna happen?

I think if you were an old person and it was the first go around of COVID, it probably would help you. But I think there's, there's a lot of problems with that thing. What's been? Well, there's a lot of side effects. I mean, there's the craziest thing that's going on right now is the increase in all cause mortality. That's the crazy thing. Due to the vaccine? Yeah, there's an excess death. There's like an excess death, um, like number increase that's pretty It's if you if you were a statistic Statistic Statistician if you're a statistics person and you were uh looking at indications that something went wrong You would say well

Was there anything that caused? These people's bodies to change where we're getting this large number of excess deaths And some people with me man as many as 40 percent 40 percent excess does and what type of shit? I think it just means like 40 percent more people died than normally do Basically, that's what it means right Jamie black excess does black everybody Black? Excess does? Black? Everybody.

Everybody. And a lot of it is cardiac stuff. Cardiac stuff went way up. You know, but a lot of people got it and nothing happened to them and they're fine. You know? I feel like that was a personal attack on me. Like you might,

it was like, Don-El, you got the jab twice. Listen, I would have got it. I was ready to get it. I just, I didn't get it just because they couldn't do it I had to go to a clinic or the hospital or whatever and then I said I'll get it when I come back next time and Between that time and me coming back next time. They had already pulled it. They pulled it because of blood clots Yeah, I got it cuz it was like I know this sounds crazy, but you couldn't like if you were working as a working actor

And he couldn't work you couldn't work you couldn't work. I know some people made it I mean, I know people like you you compromised your body and and then some some areas people think is like Oh, it's the white man trying to control you. Yeah, but it was at one point It was like if you were trying to work you wasn't working unless you had a vaccine. Yeah you weren't going anywhere. You weren't flying anywhere. Yeah it was a real issue and there's still there was a lot of countries that until recently you had to have a vaccine card including America. You had to have a vaccine card to get in unless you walked across the border of course. Then you can right in. They had, where was it, in Canada, Australia they had the biggest, I think they were the

most tight. Australia was crazy. They were putting people in camps. If you were sick, you could have been fine. You couldn't travel period, you just were there. And if you got sick and then they put you in that camp, you can't go anywhere and there's fucking armed people out there waiting for you. And they didn't have that much death either so it worked. Well no, no it didn't work. First of all it's a terrible

idea to just round people up and make them go to camps because they're sick. You don't allow them to stay at home. You determine where they can move and not move. You were arresting people for wearing masks outside None of that is scientific. None of it works. There's never been a respiratory disease You don't think lockdown helped us at all? No, not at all. So you think it would have just been passing if we wouldn't have the lockdown and all the protocol Maybe it slowed the rate of people getting it. Maybe. You could say that. And

maybe for older people, it protected them from being in contact with people that would give it to them. Okay, maybe. But in terms of what it did to the economy and what it did to the small businesses and all the small restaurants and how many people How many people went into drug addiction because their fucking whole life everything they work for fell apart How many people lost everything through no fault of their own people that have been working for decades in? Restaurants and small mom-and-pop shops They would just all went under none of them could handle that year and a half where you couldn't work at all it doesn't make any sense any sense that anyone could have ever watched that happen see that 70% of the restaurants were crumbling in front of

them and not to make some sort of a correction and that doesn't make any sense I didn't I see the aftermath when I go, I was insane. Whenever I go to these cities and you look at the downtown area. So that's all from the lockdowns, man. That's a big part of it. Where people can't work for a year and a half. Yeah, but then you just, you're going to have so many more homeless people. You're going to have so many more people that are in despair.

So many more people that become alcoholics. Remember all the people that were drinking like crazy during the pandemic? Yeah, that was the best time to drink. This lady made a video. She was jogging down the street taking a video of all the different recyclables that people had out. It's all just bottles of tequila and bottles of water. During the pandemic? Yeah, people are going hard. Yeah, I was a part of that bubble. That bubble. Yeah. That was a good bubble. It felt like the freedom when we all came together. Here's the thing though. The lockdown was a terrible idea. It's terrible for everybody. It's terrible for kids. It's terrible for Everybody, you know, it might have you can make an argument that it might slow the spread of the disease But you know, there's just so much they did to suppress alternative

I think we had to do something. Yeah, well, what they should have done is listen to all the doctors instead of just the doctors that wanted to vaccinate people because there was a lot of doctors that were prescribing alternative treatments. There was different remedies. There was a bunch of different things they did that helped people that got sick, especially monoclonal antibodies. There's a lot. And then they stopped giving those to people. They stopped making them accessible. Once you were in the hospital, they wouldn't let you have it. Like there was so much shit that went on that was just if you just if you wanted to be really, really clear with what you're looking at, you'd have to say, God, I think this is motivated

more by money than taking care of people. So much of it, so much of it. 100% Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, they all came up. And you can't even hate them. Even in a testing. Because that's what they do. That's what they do.

That's their business. So we need a pandemic or something catastrophic like that to happen before a big business can make more money? No, we need AI. So somebody sat there. So did Rick say? AI is going to put the kibosh on all of it.

AI is going to. I think we're going to have President AI. That's what I think. I think we're going to realize people are too emotional and easily distracted and too corrupt. just like this the percentage of corruption It's costing this amount of money the so we're gonna have a correct allocation money to this and that and yeah AI AI president. Yeah, not kidding a lot of people with actually what you're smoking right now, Joe No, so what you do you vote for this? How do you, how does he?

Well here's the thing, if they really want complete total control, they'll trick you into telling you that you don't need to vote anymore because AI is going to equitably distribute all wealth, all social services, all housing, everything's gonna be even for everybody. AI knows how to do it. It's gonna stop all international conflict. It's gonna have a perfect carbon neutral existence while powering everything up, but it has to take control.

But somebody has to be in control of what you ask. Not necessarily. So it's just gonna be anybody. It's not necessarily. No, not necessarily. Nobody's going to be able to control the information you give AI to do everything you just said. No, no, no. What happens is AI achieves what they call sentient AI. So what it is is at a certain point in time, if artificial intelligence gets good enough, it's going to be autonomous. It's going to be able to control itself, and it's going to be able

to make better versions of itself. It's not going to be as simple as you made a thing, and now I programmed into the thing what the parameters of this thing are, and now this thing can act like a person. No, you turn it into a life form, and then you say you have the ability to create better versions of yourself. Well that thing is gonna be a god. That thing that's gonna be a god, that thing might be four years away from us right now. Like no bullshit. Like 2029 it might be a real thing by then with the way technology is moving so fast

Like we didn't even think about AI being a threat You know how many deadbeat dads are gonna leave if you could do an AI version of being a dad? They're gonna be like fuck it. I'm out of here. You go fuck with Junior. I'm gone. I can't believe it, but you can believe there... Human beings are going to live in alternative realities. It's not going to be as simple as, you know, now all of a sudden there's artificial intelligence. It's artificial intelligence that can give you whatever elixir you need to keep you happy. And that's what it's probably going to do to people. It's probably going to figure out a way to sedate people. So how are people gonna make them calm?

How are people? And let them stop breeding. So how are people going to be able to work and provide for themselves? It's just gonna be a different, it's gonna be a different skill set, it's gonna be a different type of jobs. How are humans gonna be able to compete with AI?

Well, we're not. That's the thing. It's not possible. If they reach a certain point, so if you just think about, you know what an exponential increase in technology is? I don't. Exponential means it's not as simple as like one plus one equals two, it's at you got to think that with each like you know how they they do like a like a funnel and they have a quarter and they spin the quarter

around the funnel and at the bottom it gets faster and faster. That's how exponential increase in technology works. With each invention it begins it makes all these other inventions and they all accelerate and as they do it It happens so fast and so quick that this exponential thing is hard to understand Because it's just it's not like each step is one more. It's like earthquakes, you know, like a seven point one earthquake is like Way stronger than a seven and they just get bigger and because it's exponential. That's the same thing with technology It's gonna happen so fast that the increase in power and its ability to do whatever it wants to do It's gonna happen so quick Once it becomes alive, it's just gonna make better versions of itself like immediately. What do we do?

What we there's nothing we'll be able to do to control it. We are fucked. That's what I was trying to say. Because there will be no more jobs. When you first started this shit, I was like, every time you build up and said, what the fuck you said, I said, we are fucked. We're fucked. We're fucked. We're fucked.

They're already having them work as kitchen assistants, where they talk to you in your kitchen. They got robots. I went to a robot restaurant the other day, and a robot motherfucker pulled up with the noodles and all that type of shit. Jesus. I go to studios. I go to Good Day Pittsburgh and all this type of shit,

and where you used to go in those places, and see like 12 cameramen is one producer, and all the cameras are fucking robotic. Didn't we learn from iRobot? No, we didn't. Why didn't we learn from those movies? Why didn't we learn from Terminator because what the fuck is wrong with us the reason why because we thought it was just a movie Why did we learn from George Jetson? Yo, that was my state-of-the-art shit, you know

I'm so old Joe that when I see where I remember when thinking about George Jetson my mindset was like That will never fucking happen. And my son has a phone with a goddamn video camera. Because we don't believe this shit is gonna happen. Well it happens so fast. That's another example of exponential increase in technology. That's why, Joe, that's why I fuck with the woods.

That's why, Joe that's why I fuck with the woods. Yeah. That's why Joe, I said fuck Hollywood, I'm going from the streets to the creeks. Get yourself a satellite phone. I said I'm going from the hoods. Get a satellite phone. Nah, you got all this survival shit. Get a satellite phone and go to the woods. And then what, who the fuck you gonna call?

Just call whoever the fuck you want. Just you, you're the only, but this is what I decide. Hey, that's out there, we got that photo out there. This decided I'm going from the streets to the creeks, from the hoods to the woods, from whores to oars, from Adidas to Teeva's Joe. My whole mindset, my whole thing is a fucking new day. Fuck Hollywood.

God. I don't think it really exists for us anymore. No. Comedy Hollywood, like Comedy Hollywood? comedy Hollywood is a ghost town. It's not there anymore You as you are an example, there's a lot of other examples of you can literally make Hollywood Wherever the fuck you want to make Hollywood, but it's not even It's for the parties yo, and nobody's going to those parties anymore. You gotta tell them no.

Yes. There's a lot. It's hard not to think about it, but there's a lot of people, that's not just in the case with Diddy. It's not like this shit that's happening with him right now, this shit been going on in Hollywood forever. I'm not saying he's right,

but at some point you gotta say no. That's the simplest thing to tell somebody, the best vice. All right, this guys, get ready, bring a baseball bat, stick it in your ass with a line of cocaine. What are you gonna tell them? -"Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep." -"Broom, broom, broom." You gotta tell them no! -"Bro, that's some next-level shit."

-"What, the parties?" -"Yeah." -"It's not. Joe. You don't know about the parties, Joe." -"I don't go to those parties." -"I didn't say if you fucking went to the parties. I said, dude." -"I hear parties. I didn't say if you fucking went to the parties. I said, dude. I hear rumors. I hear whispers.

Joe, you don't know about these parties. You don't know about these parties. You don't know about the parties when a motherfucker come up to you, you with your girlfriend, and they like, I like both of you. You don't know about these parties? You never heard about these parties?

No. You never heard about, you never heard anybody come up to you and they say shit like this Joe? So we think you're cute. We. Get it? You never heard about these parties Joe? Now the question is, how many of them are out there and do you think that's a Hollywood thing? I think that it's definitely more prevalent in Hollywood than in like Oklahoma but I'm pretty sure these type of parties and things exist. I think that it's definitely more prevalent in Hollywood than in like Oklahoma, but I'm pretty sure these type of parties and things exist.

The bottom line, man. Just deviance. It's just deviance. Yeah. And guess what we wanna do for the most part of our life, Joe, you know who we wanna dance with? The devil. We want to dance with the devil

Most people have more fun with the devil than with God God is the party pooper. Is this the part where you announce the opening of your new church? You know what? Joe I listen you might not agree with this, but I thought about it. I wanna go. I'm not saying I wanna be a part. You can do it. I'll get it. Yo, help me.

Kinnison did it. At AI Church, I can get my own church, have my own people come. Cause I want to have a church where people like fuck with God, but don't really fuck with God. Right. And let me get you example. You wanna try to put him on the path. Put him on the path.

And I want people to fuck with God, but don't fuck with God. And the reason why, what I'm trying to say, Joe, is like I fuck with God and I don't fuck with God. And the reason why I say I don't fuck with God, like I never abuse it. I'm never like, oh God, please, this light is about to turn red. I can't eat this $75 ticket, God. Please help me.

I don't use God for shit like that. I would never be like, oh God, oh God, it's 12 o'clock. I hope the Burger King drive-thru line is still open. I really need a whopper my way, God. Please help me, God. I don't fuck with God like that. When I fuck with guys like this, my lady's pregnant. When I fuck with guys like this my lady's pregnant god, please give me a healthy baby That's reasonable. That's that's good. I know I'm not gonna start a church church But the idea of getting people to feel like that thing about like that's that that's how I feel Mmm, that's gonna be My change I'm gonna start a church

They fuck with people to fuck with God but don't fuck with God Specifically yeah What do you think I like it you definitely give me a preacher I like the way you dressed I see you in a jet I see you in front of a Rolls Royce I like the way you're dressed. I see you in a private jet. I see you in front of a Rolls Royce. You didn't see me in front of a Rolls Royce. Don't do that. You start scaring me. Don't do that. I see an arena with your big smile and a face on it. I don't want that. You know what? I don't want. You know what? You can do it though. Come on. If that fucking, that guy, what's his name that does it?

Joel. Come on, man. Yeah. I don't want to do that. You don't think you you dominate in that world? No, but I do think that there's a place for people that there has to be a church or something for people that aren't perfect. There would be a cool- I think that people try to go for a lot of things. I think a lot of people with religion or anything, they think that you have to be perfect to

be part of it or to understand it, and I don't think that's the case. I do believe it's something that makes you feel good. People make the argument, is it real or is it not? But it's something that's spiritual that makes a person feel good, want to do better, and want to live the right way. So if I had a church, that's, if I was, even, we're joking about it, but that would be like

the type of energy that I would fuck with. Well, people would like something like that because there's a lot of people that don't want to go to like a traditional church, but they're interested in the idea of it. You know, the way it's been described to me the best way, I think Jordan Peterson was the first person to tell me this, that he, even if you don't necessarily believe in God, if you live like you believe in God, you will live a better life. If you follow those principles and just try to believe, you'll live a better life. Even if you think in your logical mind, which is really fascinating, right? Even if you think in your logical mind, what is really fascinating, right? Even if you think in your logical mind,

what is the possibility that one grand creator has this insane connection to everything that happens all throughout the universe and there's some sort of a divine plan to every word you say and everything you do and every event that ever takes place in your life and everyone's life around you? Yep. It's a lot of people like, I don't know. But if you do believe that, that's what they want. That's what you do believe that you live like that you you'll have a better life. But I think everybody needs to believe in something something something. Yeah. You got to believe in something. And this is why my point about like the devil, everybody wanna dance with the devil.

Devil has the best parties, but then after a while, think about it, if your phone ring, this is like back in the day, your phone ring, right? You answer the phone, you see on the call of death idea, you see it's the devil, it's the devil, right? You let it ring to the last fucking ring, you finally pick it up, what's up? And the devil is like, man,

we about to have this banging ass party. We got all these bitches, man. We about to get it popping. We got some good food. It's about to be jumping down here. You'll be like, fuck, I'm coming, devil. Right, Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah.

Yeah. You go to the island. Yeah, yeah, like that. Exactly. You're like this, I'm going right now you getting dressed You get dressed you about all this party about to be popping you get dressed then your phone ring again and Brr it says God the first thing you gonna look at God is like

Fuck I Can't believe you right God's calling and you just pause before you answer. He's gonna be mad if you just look at I but that's what you're gonna let this go to voicemail. You know a bad motherfucker. You have to be like God go to voicemail Yeah, you that's that No to put God a hole is as many people try to call it to God to put God a hole It's like all dude's got some balls. It's one of the things that keeps me on iPhones is random FaceTimes from friends.

Out of nowhere? Out of nowhere. Just to, what, to validate the friendship? No, it's just a fun thing. Oh, just to FaceTime? It's fun when someone FaceTimes you out of nowhere. You're like, oh shit. But then the worst is like,

you're anticipating to pick it up and then don't pick it up. Oh. And then you're like, oh you fucking asshole, you don't know him. Well then you gotta figure out where your relationship stands. Nah, I don't wanna judge you, don't put that.

Some people have bad days, I don't wanna judge you after that. No, I don't judge nothing. I assume, also I assume people like you or me get too many fucking text messages anyway You can't even keep up with everything. It's not possible. Yeah Messages on an Instagram and Twitter like it's not possible and then I'll get you know, I'm older I get voice messages the people think I'm answer a voicemail message Do you even know long ass emails like come with this

Well, you have so many links in this email remember we used to Too many just seemingly it's too many Like voice it used to be I don't even know how to program a voice Recording. Hey, this is Don L How do you even do that? I guess you just press a button on your phone. Does anybody know the button? It's gotta be like one or nine. I got used to be, we used to, when we used to do it, Joe, we used to have slow music

in the background. Music in the background, yes. And we say shit like, hey, right person, wrong time. Leave your number and I'll be sure to call you back. Everybody try to be cool. Leave it. And if you don't, I mean it's like you didn't even call. That was it. We used to have music in the back. Like that was the shit. So remember answering machine messages? You have your favorite song in the background. Yeah. You have that, yo, do do do do do do yo this is do do do do. All that stupid, do, yo, this is da, do, do, do, all that stupid

shit. And you really didn't have to have your own voice. You could just have music. And then you got creative. If you really knew people, you could get somebody like, yo, could you leave my voice recording for me? But nobody used a phone for fucking, nobody talks on the phone anymore. I remember really clearly when you first could use music

as an option when someone calls you. Or in the background music. Yeah. They used to know when you were on hold at a hospital, but they had it where you could pick it. And then you would let people go to, you would let them go to voicemail just so they could hear how cool your music was in the background. Couldn't pick up, you had to let them go to voicemail just so they could hear how cool your music was in the background

Mmm couldn't pick up you had to let them know I got music in the background of my shit. Mm Yeah, I would love it when my phone would ring And you could hear songs Now I think that's annoying as fuck. I don't back then it was so novel but who actually Picks up a phone when it rings? We don't even not anymore communicate like that anymore. No, it's very rarely. I do like to make phone calls when I'm in my car though. I'll call a friend if I'm in my car. Only when you think about them but not for anything. I do it just to say hi

because it's a good way to say hi because if I'm driving to work or driving to the club or driving somewhere's like, I got dead time. I'd like to just say hi to somebody. I told myself this year, I was like, you know how we always, when you say, oh man, something happens, you're like, I was just about to call that person. Yeah. I was just thinking about you, you called me first.

I've started to do that when I get that impulse, like somebody pops up. Yeah. Let me just call this motherfucker. Just like on some, you came across my brain like somebody pops up. Yeah. Just like, let me just call this motherfucker. Just like on some, you came across my brain. Instincts, yeah. Like when I told you I wanted to get one of those, when I texted you I said I wanted to get

one of those cyber trucks. Yeah. I was like, black people always looking for a hookup. I was like, I know you got a hookup. Get me on the list, son. Have you drove that car? I have not driven it. I saw it in person.

I've seen a bunch of them now. I saw it in person a long time ago. It's a real trip man. It really looks like something from the future. On the inside of it right? I can imagine it looks probably like like like simulator or something. It's crazy. The whole thing is crazy. It doesn't have a regular steering wheel. You can get a regular steering wheel. Or is there? It's one of the options. Yeah it's called's called a what's that called a yoke you can get a yoke which is I have it on my Tesla I'm not really a big fan of it No, it's like you know, yes on it's like you're doing a Formula One car or something. It's just not good for parking It's weird for spinning the wheel around. It's fine. If you're just on the highway I'm not I don't even look at my fucking reverse cameras. The wheels the way to go. What is that? That's a cyber truck

I don't know if you can get the wheel on the truck. Can you well that is a wheel though? I guess it is there's a real mixture of both. No, it's definitely not It's definitely has a top the whole thing about turning is you want to top? Yeah, that'll be fine. You won't even notice the difference. But I don't know if that's ideal. That's how the old Tesla had it like that. I messed my old one. Or that's the no, that's that's the Cybertruck's version.

Oh, it is. What? I didn't have a I had something that looked like that, but with a top on it. What was the S before that? I don't know anything. I know X model. There was the what what is the car? What is it? P100D. Yeah when I had a P100D I felt like they had it all down right. There was a blinker switch on the stock you know which everybody knows. I just don't give a fuck. I just want to know how the sound system.

That's how you sell cars to black folks. The sound system's good in these things. That's it, so. Yeah. That's the only way to do it. Do you ever drive an electric car though? Yeah. It's weird, cause you wanna go vroom vroom, and you like just whoosh, you'll blow that shit up.

Yeah, but I wanted to at least drive, when I was thinking about it, that'd be something fun to do. It's a fun thing. They're big as shit though, that's a big truck. I heard the wait in this is like a year, right? Is it? Yeah, that's what the streets were saying. The streets. Yeah, the streets very important. You gotta listen to the streets. If you don't listen to the streets, you could be in a big truck. Waiting list of a year. In one year, what are the odds civilization exists?

It's not 100%. You got me planning, but I'm like... It's not 100%. percent. You got me planning. It's not a hundred percent. Just give me a good Austin. Joe's trying to kill me off. Just give me a good twenty. In one year. You got an unofficial dad. Yeah. One year I'd say we're like fifty-fifty. But the thought of that is like very interesting and I think you're 100% right. Yeah. Especially with this election coming up. Trump's going to win. I'm not saying I'm a supporter, but I cannot see how he's not going to win.

I don't know if they're really going to have Biden against Trump. I'm not convinced of that. What's the options? He resigned. With this suit, I feel like I should be able to answer that question. You should be able to answer that.

You should be on CNN. Yeah. I feel like. did Kamala steps up But she did look at any moment first of all the stress of being the president must be insane Insane stress right it makes everybody look old. He was already very old and not just Chronologically, but biologically people keep pointing to his age and Trump's age like stop doing that. It doesn't make any sense I know what you're trying to say that they're similar in Chronological age, but they're definitely not similar in the effect of decay like one guy is

Just feels like he's sure reasonably sharp, you know reasonably sharp But there are reasonably sharp businessmen that exist that, into their 90s, can have, you know, great conversations with people. They're sharp. But Biden has problems. There's problems there. It feels like his motor skills are off. Everything's off.

It feels like you couldn't... Yeah, to deny that. You're not helping anybody. But do you think his mind is still alert? No, I don't think so. No. I think he forgets all kinds of crazy things like... I met Muhammad Ali in the airport like maybe five or six years before he passed away and it was interesting because I was dating this chick, I knew she was young because I said,

we were walking and she said, oh they go Muhammad Ali and she kept walking right? I'm like, what the fuck you mean? They're The Arab Muhammad Ali or Ali Muhammad? She said, Muhammad Ali? I'm like, where? I saw Muhammad Ali, I just, like anybody would do. I was like, oh shit, it's Muhammad Ali. And I walked, he was in one of those, you know, the cars, the electric cars.

They had everyone. And I was, everybody was going up to him, and I was like, I just wanna shake your hand, right? I said, I just wanna touch you. And his hands was like shaking, but his eyes were alert like, motherfucker, you know, like, you know, keep it cool. But what I said, like, biting,

his motor skills seemed like he's off, but I wonder if his mind is still sharp enough to go another four years. answers. No, I think that It's not fair it's not fair to him, but all those people under him they should be asking him to step down and let a Democratically elected person that can actually lead the country take his place But who is they they're not gonna do that because they don't really care. They just wanna win. They wanna stay in power.

They don't care why they don't have anybody. Well they wanna stay in power. Listen, if they didn't wanna stay in power, if they brought in Gavin Newsom, Gavin Newsom, once he gets in, he brings all of his own people. And now there's different people. And a bunch of these people get fired.

A bunch of these people are gone. A lot of the people that work for the other administration, you gotta realize he's that old and that fucked. Who's running the thing? The people behind him are running the thing. You know how you get Biden out, Joe? How do you get Biden out? Don L?

Have him sign for bad boy with Puffy's bad boy. This is the... He probably could talk him into it for the country. If he signs the bad boy, it's over. Boy. But I don't know how anybody's gonna beat Trump. Yeah, it doesn't seem like they're going to. They keep trying to arrest him. And the crazy thing is this dude has been very competitive

and with, for the most most part no news coverage. Not, I haven't seen a commercial. Well the news coverage is always he's going to jail. That's the news coverage. But the news coverage. Which gets his base super excited. Well it's like they got, the thing is they got lied to for so long that they don't know what to believe anymore.

So in the early days it was Russia. Trump was colluding with Russia. There's a Russia collusion. Russia, Russia, Russia. Turned out to not be true. And they couldn't prove it. And so these people talked about nothing but that for years. So now when he's going to jail and getting mugshotting. Who's going to jail? Well Trump went, they arrested him. He didn't go to no jail. Like jail? I don't know where the fuck they took a mugshot photo of him Where the fuck they took him? They probably brought that shit to where he was. I think they ran into a courthouse or something

When Jamie comes back from the bathroom, we'll ask but it's like I think He had to go to some courthouse or something like that to get arraigned. So When the stuff like that happens and people have already gone through years of the Russia bullshit, they don't believe you anymore. And so now … No, I don't believe. The people that really follow him believe not anymore. They believe everything. They believe him.

Yeah. I mean, they don't believe the media anymore when I'm saying you, the media. Right. Jamie, where did they take Trump when they took that mugshot photo of him where was he was he had a jail was he had a courthouse where was he he was in a side room in his house with golf shorts on yeah with a green screen he had a green screen back in Fulton County jail in Atlanta Fulton County jail oh he did a bit they call it oh he went to jail jail yeah jail jail but he wasn't there long enough to get like a sandwich or.

No, but he wasn't there long enough for them to. Take one of the greatest photos in the history of the world. Look at that photo. That looked like his regular campaign photo. Well, a lot of people used it. They used it. Look at it before it is.

It is crazy, man. It's crazy that they're going after him for what they're going after him for. You know, the whole thing is so transparent. Like the people that support Donald Trump want to support him to the day that they die. Yes. You're not going to change it.

And as many times you indict him or whatever, all it does is invigorate that base and those people, they get more excited and more excited. Well, people think that they're gonna change your mind because they don't like something, but that doesn't always really work. And a lot of times it has the opposite effect because they don't like why you're trying

to change their mind and how you're trying to distort the facts of things and only concentrate on negative things just to try to change a perspective and to lie and gaslight and tell me that Biden's sharper than ever like when they start saying things like that okay you I now everyone knows you're bullshitting okay now you're just playing a game so if you've if you've agreed that sometimes you're gonna play this game We're gonna say things that don't make any sense

You know aren't true and then I know aren't true and you're gonna put them in the newspaper You can put them on television Can you still be respect a person because not the issue but so much this is the part me that not you but so so fucked up about Politics is it when people like personally can't stand someone because of what their political views are. Right, because of their politics. Yeah.

That's silly. In this business right here, that's a hard thing to subscribe to. That's not a good mark of a man, for sure. A man that can't have a calm, relaxed disagreement with someone, with another man, you know, that's not a good sign of your self-control. That's probably not a good sign also of the why in which you engage in conversations. Because there's just far too many people that engage in conversations just trying to win. Because they've got it in their head that they have an idea and they want to argue their idea better than your idea

that's it's like a verbal sparring. It's like a baby mama joke. I'm sure. I'm sure. They just want to get that argument and win it. They want to win it. Yeah so that's a real problem that people have. It's a real problem because it doesn't do anybody any good. It doesn't do you good even if you win, and more people are gonna try to do it back to you. It's way better to just not be- Not engage. Or not be attached to your ideas

to the point where you identify with them. But instead, just say, why do you think that? And then they tell you. This sounds like you give them, this seems like therapy in regard to co-parenting. That's what I'm doing right now? That's what it sounds like. It's so fucking relatable. Well, it should be that way with all human beings. You're so lucky you don't have to co-parent.

I'm very lucky. But also, I think with co-parenting, it's uniquely stressful. Because then the mother starts dating another guy you start dating a woman But what about a bit? Stress why she got a day? The point is it's like it doesn't do anybody getting good, but it's also so emotionally stressful, right? I agree with, but I'm gonna tell you, this is my thought on co-parenting. The first off, first part of beginning of co-parenting,

the first thing you as a co-parent, first thing you don't, this is what makes the best co-parents. First thing is, that person can't get happy before you. That would ruin you on the inside. So both people are trying to find happiness before the other one, you don't want that person. That's the beginning of co-parenting.

You're like, fuck that, why didn't it work? And then as it goes on for a while, then you start thinking about what is in the best interest? What's the best interest for the kid? And that usually is not the first beginning of it because the beginning of it you don't give a fuck. And it's also like an emotional challenge. It's a challenge to just try to get better control

of your ability to communicate and just into, you know. I think you, and I know a lot of people in this situation, you grow into it. I never thought in my situation that would be me. I remember I was dating this woman some years ago and her parents had split up when they were, their brother, sister were like really, really young. And at the time we were dating,

their family used to get together for holidays. They weren't seeing each other anymore. They would get together holidays, they'd get together for Sunday dinner. And I was like, they must still be fucking or something, right, because I thought that that's the only way. Then I realized that, even with the situation with my son, I realized they were just trying to give the kids

as much family and as regular life as they possibly could, and not being together. And that experience made me wanna be a better co-parent with my son. And we finally at the point where we get along and we know the best interest at the end of the day is what we do for Austin. That's great. Yep.

It's totally doable and people change, they change as they get older, people evolve, you get better at communicating. communicating that's again that's what I was saying about arguing about ideas is that not a good sign of a man like like getting angry like verbally abusive shitty insulting like what people tend to go to right away because they're just trying to win and they're trying to like break the person down as they're trying to win the argument and I think it's real tempting and it's tempting to people because people like to be good at stuff and if you think you're smart and you

think you got somebody and you're good at something and you can chase it down. I mean I don't argue, the only if I ever argue is because I know I'm gonna win. Hmm. That's the only time if I If there's a chance. You argue if you're right for sure. Yeah. And that's been in relationships. If I argue with you, it's not like I'm flying off the top. I'm like this, I have everything to win this argument.

That's why I don't get a lot of arguments, because a lot of them I can't win. So I'm like, I'll just stand back and just take the abuse. I don't mind arguing sometimes when you have to say something because someone's saying something ridiculous and you gotta go dude stop that doesn't make any fucking sense stop saying that I agree because otherwise sometimes you like they'll pollute the environment with a bad idea I've had that situation in black podcasting I know I will leave names out but the thing like you said was someone I

To hear you know as a comment to hear You're not funny is equal in the common world economy. That's like the the n-word of comedy. It's also it's very triggering trigger I feel like it's a cry for help. Yeah almost always Almost always I mean there's there's some shit that people say, there's a lot of shit that Cat Williams said that turned out to be true, but I think there's this quote that is that all criticism is a tragic result of unmet needs. That's a part of the quote. But that part of the quote always resonates with me. That's what it is. what it is. Like these people, the reason why they're lashing out and saying you're not funny,

like there's not more productive shit to do. Like you're trying to attack someone who's getting more attention than you. Like why? But I know that's a painful- That's not real. That's not real. It still hurts, Joe.

No, but not to- To you, Joe. But you shouldn't feel it at all. Joe, I still read fucking comments, man. Ha! They're still going from the RZA episode. But you shouldn't feel it at all. I still read fucking comments, man. Haaaaaa! They're still going from the RZA episode. They won't let go! That's the first thing I told Darnell after the RZA episode.

I said, don't read the comments. And that first thing I did was, it's just so hard. It's just hard. Cause it be going so well, Joe. It'll be going so well. He's a beast. I love him. Top five! And then, boom! And the whole fucking day It'll be score so well. He's a piece. I love him top five Yeah, and the whole fucking day is shut the fuck down. Yeah, you don't want that. I've don't listen I was I could get to there, but I don't listen, but this is something you have to take into consideration

I think that especially with someone like you as a public figure That was that was us Think that was going yeah, I like him the other day, he thanked, oh that was a good one. Yeah, I liked that photo Brody, that painting. We gotta put that back up in here. Yeah, Vanessa, you made me stay. Yeah, yeah.

You said fuck my kid. You said fuck my kid. I did not say that. I said I wanna go home and see my son. I definitely did not say that. You was like, you got your kid, baby mama. I said, dude, the RZA's coming next. Do you wanna hang out?

Cause we were just having a fun time. But the minute, Joe, the minute I said, dude, the RZA's coming next. Do you wanna hang out? Because we were just having a fun time. But the minute, Joe, the minute I said, man, I haven't seen my son in two weeks, you're supposed to have been like this. Oh, get out of here, go do that. You heard me say I wanted to see my son. And you said, I don't know, it's the RZA, and I stayed. Yeah, that was easy.

Just to get abused. The devil just whispered in your ear. Yeah, I told you I'd dance with a married man as well. Just to get abused. The devil just whispered in your ear. Yeah, I told you I danced with a married man as well. Just to be abused. No, listen man, the podcast was fun. It was funny. It was a great podcast. But these comments motherfuckers, Joe,

they fucking evil, man. But Donnell, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. They won't be invited to my church. They're welcome to their opinion. Everybody's supposed to come into my church. You don't want that in your head. I don't, but I can't stay away from it. Fuck them.

They should all be able to just let people go. Just don't read it. It's not good for you. Even the good stuff's not good for you. Even the blowing you up. That's the good shit. That's the last shit I love to hear. Top five, Mount Rushmore.

Hell yeah, killed, murdered. That's how I want to be supported. When we build artificial intelligence, how I want to be supported When we build artificial intelligence, I want them to be on my dick It will be. I want to be like, oh best, top fives. Oh shit. You got to see them underrated I don't want to hear none of that shit lame cringe You know, that's kind of like what we were talking about earlier like if artificial intelligence gets to the point where it can formulate a game plan and you actually follow that game plan if

Artificial intelligence says done. Oh, we have sat down and devised a strategy to radically improve your popularity And your ticket sales. This is how we're going to do it I love it get it lays it out for you It tells you what to do and it's gonna you're gonna develop a YouTube video every three or four months and put out a clip and do this and. I would love it. I bet it would work. I think creativity at this point

has to come from a person, like especially like your kind of like joke writing, like the things that you make fun of, things that I make fun of, the things that make, that are like unique to like whoever the individual is. The only thing is going to save Us and that's the people if it's possible is that now? Oh my god. They're gonna be making robots

Seeing a motherfucker live. It's gonna be something about seeing somebody live. I think that's only thing that's saving TV is sports events That's the only thing people really really tune into is what do I have to watch in that moment? Yeah, what's gonna be only yeah, if you're watching a football game that is actually happening that there's a scramble the ball gets thrown Someone's trying to catch it if you're watching a fight dudes getting knocked out You're watching actual things that are happening in real time. But if you're not man And within four or five years everything's gonna be generated from a computer and who knows how you're gonna interface with it because they just started releasing these Apple vision pros I saw those which are crazy you can

walk around in them so you can be sitting in your living room with a giant screen and move things around and swipe things to the left you can actually see stuff like like glasses like you can actually see stuff like glasses. Like I can walk, I can see like this. Yeah, you can walk around. Yeah, and then you have things that are in front of you. So you could sit down and have an enormous movie screen in front of you and watch Avatar in 3D.

And just sit there like, whoa. Or you can have a fucking spreadsheet and open it up. You can open up a website You can fucking play video games and just by with your head in your hand Yeah, I don't want to stick five years from now done now with AI think about that with AI where it just Brings you into a world Where you literally feel like you're in that jungle in Avatar with the flying plants

and all the Navi and all the fuckin', those crazy animals on the ground. Imagine like that being around you, like indistinguishable from reality. Smells, taste, everything. All programmed into your mind, syncing your brain up with whatever this code is.

Joe, you're not recruiting me. You're not recruiting me. And I'll tell you what, you know where I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go to the woods. I'm gonna go to the river. I'm gonna say, you can have your fucking 3D glasses. I'm gonna go to the river. I'm gonna crawdad fish. I'm gonna take my son and let him ride ramps in the backyard. I'm gonna do regular shit while you deal with all of this 3d AI shit Yeah, and I'm gonna get fucking David tails phone. Look out where nobody get a touch of that That guy just watching YouTube keeps there she's yelling at him and he's watching basketball Now he's in the woods, yeah, that's what I'm going. Come on. How beautiful is that?

Oh, now he's in the woods. Look at that. That's where I'm going. Come on, how beautiful is that? It's kind of amazing. I'm going to the woods. The real woods. I want to go to the real woods. And again, that's one of the things I like about Yellow Springs, Ohio, and being there is disconnecting

and going and doing some regular shit. The only thing that's going to savor us from all of this alien shit and everything you know, Joe, is this. Sleeping in the woods? That's not sleeping, that's chilling. Chilling.

That's plants, that's some regular shit. The only thing that's gonna save civilization is the woods, Joe. That's it. Doing regular shit and appreciating regular shit. You're halfway there. You like the woods to kill shit, but have you ever thought about living there? No, I do. I like the woods, period.

I don't just like the woods to kill shit. You don't do shit but kill shit in the woods, man. No, no, I go in the woods. When was the last time you did it? Sunday. Non-killing something in the woods. Sunday. What was it?

I went hiking. Did you have a boat? Did I have a what? A boat with you just in case. No, I had my dog. No, I didn't have a boat just in case. Just, did you have a knife? You always have a knife on me. Okay, so you was prepared? No, no, I was hiking. That's what's going to say. I was outside of nature having a good time. That's beautiful. That's the only thing, it may sound simple, that's the only thing that's gonna save us is getting in touch with nature. That's the only motherfucking thing. I disagree.

I think we're fucked. I think getting in nature's gonna be good for the individual, but I think for the species, I have a feeling we're the last of the Mohicans. I'm not trying to save everybody. Just me and my boy in the fucking woods Do you you guys will be fine? Yeah, I just I feel like the the human race like as this thing comes alive. I think we're greatly

Underestimating the impact that's gonna have we not on test estimate because you talk about all the time, you know everything about it I learned more about what I'm praying for in ten years. I definitely don't I don't definitely don't know everything about it. I learned more about what's what I'm preparing for in 10 years I definitely don't I don't definitely don't know everything about it You know what my knowledge of it is pretty limited and a lot of it is speculative and unfounded for the average So for the average person is never going to challenge you that still has a flip phone and In that part of it, you know way more and And what you're saying is very fucking believable. We are doomed. What was disturbing to me was I had a conversation with Ray Kurzweil, who's one of the big names

in artificial intelligence. And he's all super rosy about the future of AI and that it's inevitable and that we're all gonna do this. And I'm like, well, what if someone gets in control of this someone it is gonna be somebody in control that's what scares the shit out of me dude and they no one seems to have an adequate answer for that and Elon is terrified of that too which really makes me scared if that fucking dude scared of it okay so that means that they know that we are building the type of technology that at some point we won't

be able to control is going to control us and take over us. It's inevitable that that's going to happen. Or we merge with it or we scale up our ability to control it as it gets implemented. So even though it's more intelligent than us we can still control it. But we always gonna have a nutty professor. Well the thing is if it becomes a living thing, right, so what what they're doing than us, we can still control it. But we're always gonna have a nutty professor. Well the thing is if it becomes a living thing, right, so what they're doing right now is they have, everything exists in an actual computer.

There's nothing that exists in a physical form except these robots that they're using to like clean up kitchens and shit. Have you seen those yet? No, I haven't. It's disturbing. The biggest part is that you talk to the robot and the robot would like pick plates up and put them in the drying rack and it talks to you and I look at it and I'm like okay that

is just like a really crude shitty like like I compared to the Model T like that's a Model T and if you look at the exponential increase in technology like look at what was the first year you got a phone what year was that me phone it had to be probably Probably 82 Damn you had an early one It was I was front like I was a drug dealer you had an 82. Yeah, that was the thing you had a salt man You just have the briefcase a briefcase. I him? I had the briefcase joint, yeah. I had one that was built into my car in 88, but then I couldn't afford that.

I didn't get another phone after that. Nobody got it, it was five minutes. You couldn't afford that shit. It was too expensive. My shit didn't work, I just had it. But I had a job back then too. But then I got another one, I think in 94. I think it was 93, that's right. And it was a Motorola StarTac.

That was the shit. I remember that was the coolest shit you could have. That was only 30 years ago. Right. Okay. 30 years ago from that to what you have today is insane. Insane. The only thing, Joe, this is the only thing that's going to save humanity. Battery life. Yeah, but China has developed these nuclear powered batteries. We were just talking about that. They could power a cell phone for 50 years. Yeah, I don't know if this is just theoretical or if they've actually implemented it. That's the thing, I think I was like, the motherfuckin' battery has to die.

Not necessarily. It's just a matter of what they use for the fuel. There's, like, what we're dealing with now is no different than what every civilization has always been dealing with. If you could go back to the 1700s, before they had vaccines, before they had antibiotics and medication, and just show those people back then a cell phone,

they would think you're a wizard. Or a witch. A witch. A witch, yeah. A warlocklock a Satanist And if you called somebody to answer they were really thought that you were the devil insane if you were talking to someone FaceTime from Another place that's normal shit now Whatever the fuck that robot is you take that robot that cleans kitchens and scale that bitch up 200 years from now

You got a sexy lady who's in lingerie Oh, come on. Who's cleaning your house and sucks your dick and you Never gonna mess with real ladies again, and then the human race goes extinct because no one wants to breed anymore The human race is gonna do it human race is gonna go extinct What is a female robot that can make a sandwich and suck a dick. This is what I think That's what you think. Yeah, I like what you think. That's what I think but it's gonna be another fucking robot hating on a bitch Nope, she let she suck no, they're gonna be perfect. The robots only want to please us so we die off The robots want to leave all the ladies barren and all the men just no jizz

They just suck them off all day. And then leave them, leave them ambitionless, childless, and then they die off. The funny thing is, what you said is, all I'm thinking about is, I did a roast with Whitney Cummings and they had a robot of her and I was thinking just now, who fucked Whitney's robot? Somebody did. Somebody did. Somebody did. I tried to. Somebody did. Somebody did.

I tried to. I did. Somebody fucked that robot. Shout out to her robot. Wendy's the type of bitch that will tell someone, stick your dick in that robot before me. I want to watch. Do it. I didn't know she got down like that.

But that sounds like- I don't know. She's back in the sea. I'm guessing. Yeah. She would be and be experimental too. She'd be like this, okay, let's shoot this. Fuck my robot's mouth.

We could go revive. Yep. She's a mom. I talked to her like three weeks ago. It's so cool seeing her. It's wild, right? Being her being a mom. She's so smart. She's going to be a great mom. She's such an interesting person. And I asked her, I said, you know, with the success that you've had in everything, you do well for yourself, you do well for other people, you help other people. I say, do you think, because that's a tough question for successful women in this business. I said, do you feel like having a baby boy completed you?

And she said, yes. And that's a tough thing, because sometimes women are so career driven that that part of them or that part of experience in life, they don't really care about it or just say it's embarrassing. But she said that she does feel complete and makes her like a better person. And she's got a nice mommy, mom energy.

Yeah. Yeah, I think. And then she ran out of animals to buy. That's when white women are about to- Doesn't she have a horse? Yeah. White women buy horses? She has rescue horses just rescue horses. Yeah rescue horses

When they start buying different animals like animals that the average person don't have like orangutans and shit like that That's when they'd be like, yep. I'm about to have a baby She connected me with the people that run this wolf sanctuary and I went up to the wolf sanctuary and I thought I was gonna like It but I didn't like it at all all I didn't like it at all. I Didn't like it at all. What do you think she thought you were gonna enjoy about it? I don't know I mean it like they're helping these wolves and they're preserving these wolves and they take wolves off of Ranches and capture them and keep them in this place But man, it just it just bummed me out big time

The males have all been castrated, they've all been fixed. Yeah that bummed me out and then they're all in these cages and they're getting stared at by people. So they're not preserving the race? I mean they're not preserving. They let them out, they they interact with them, you can interact with some, but it overwhelmingly bummed me out. I don't like the idea of wild predators being trapped in cages. I went to the zoo, I took my son to the zoo, and it was one of the best worst experiences I had.

It's just the excitement, it's just like how much, we so selfish, the excitement of, like it was, one of the tigers came out of the cage and everybody was like, oh my God, yeah! They started clapping for the tiger. And I'm like, this motherfucker's used to walking like 50, 60 miles a day to try to kill some shit. And this motherfucker's in 300 square feet

and we're clapping for it and it just felt. The excitement that the kids had was one thing, but knowing what has to go down. And then for the people, here's the people that got the toughest job. The tour, people that speak on the animals and everything. They'd be like, and this is Zimba, Zimba's looking a little frustrated today.

You know, the ones that gotta make it feel like they having a happy experience. Yeah, cause everybody been throwing shit at this motherfucker. Of course you would be frustrated too, but it feels so wrong and so right at the same time. Yeah. Safari, I wanna go on a safari. That's real, that's the real thing.

Safari's a different thing. The thing that bums me out is the primates. I went to the zoo in Denver and I remember we had gotten there right when this monkey was just wailing. He just decided like he couldn't take it anymore and he's in this cage and he's wailing. I love my wet year and they decided he couldn't take it anymore. Rather like he's wanting to get the fuck about it. But I was on an edible. Okay. And I just was feeling this monkey's pain, the screaming. He was just screaming, no! Because it's this little ass cage as small as this room.

And he's just running around grabbing branches. He's bored as fuck, man. And now you had motherfuckers taking pictures of you all fucking day. I had, this is so fucked up, and I know I shouldn't have did it, but I rented a monkey. Right? We had a petting whole thing I read I rented a monkey and I've and a monkey definitely had some shit going on right because they gave the monkey I feel so bad

Everybody was at the monkey looking at the monkey and all of a sudden. I heard by say, eww Yeah, the monkey was eating a lollipop jerking off. Yo, yo, Joe, I swear, in my church, I swear my son's life, everybody was like, where the fuck you get this monkey from? Right? But now it's like, you know the phrase, had his trainer monkey see monkey do something. I'm just thinking, did the trainer just sit around

his monkey, eating lollipops, jerking off. Because, and the monkey was looking like, he was looking like I wish the fuck somebody would say shit, but the cover back on, leave me the fuck alone. And the monkey was looking people like directly in the eyes Joe Like the monkey just discovered it yeah, it was like this monkey's like this is my you know This is how we get the fuck off work early

Did you ever see that video the dude who's like sitting there and a monkey hops in his lap? And then he's like trying to be cool with this monkey and the monkey just decided to scalp him Just bites his head and takes a giant chunk of his scalp off have you ever saw I don't I don't really go for those I see it I really don't you don't want I'm not built for that I don't like skittles I don't want amazing willpower I don't want to do it I'd be like what show me that I don't want that's the different you very into that that's like that nature metal one of those websites where nature's metal yeah yeah I can't I can't handle that but man nature medal one of those websites where nature's metal. Yeah

Yeah, I can't I can't handle that man like Taking one of those creatures and forcing it to live in captivity is torture And it has to be a point where they know what's gonna be the breaking point Yeah, that monkey when when I turn the corner like right when I was going towards the cages I just watched him just jump on the cage it's just like oh and you just kept one you take pictures no man I got bummed out I got really bummed out that's gotta there might have been a lot no I definitely went to the zoo after that and I know when they go I wonder but most of those monkeys they get them from when they were babies right yeah yeah but it doesn't matter it's still

torture it's still torture. It's still torture. You think that monkey could like, if you was like, fuck it, we're leaving, and you just took him to the jungle that he could- No, he's fucked. He'd get fucked up, right? He'd get fucked up. Yeah, he wouldn't be a part of a truth.

Why? Because he wouldn't know how to fight or none of that shit, right? He probably wouldn't be socialized. He wouldn't know the dynamic of social dynamic. Waiting for feed time and shit? No one that's every man for himself, every monkey for himself. He would have no idea.

He would be fucked. They'd probably kill him. When I was in Costa Rica, I saw a monkey. There's monkeys everywhere. And one monkey was missing a foot. Like one of his hands was gone. And I said to the dude, I go, what happened to him, do you think?

And he's like, oh, they bite each other's hands off all the time. Matter of fact. I was like, oh, they bite each other's hands off all the time. I was like, what? They bite each other's hands off. They're primitive. They're monkeys, Joe. What the fuck do you want them to do? But they're also resort monkeys,

so they come around and try to get Oreos from you, candy bars. But they want that from you and people give it to them. And so you could watch them, they'll take an Oreo and open it up and eat the white stuff. They're used to it. And you're like, you know how to do that? Like they know how to do that.

And that's the only thing they're accustomed to. And then if they go to regular woods and they be like, get your bitch ass Oreo cooking, eating ass motherfuck out of it. They could tell, you could tell a different trait of monkey, a monkey that grew up on crab and his food than a motherfucker that's stealing Oreos. Yeah. It's in their eyes, I'm sure of it.

Well monkeys can get to populations that are very big and then they get super aggressive. And then you got real problems. You got real problems. That happens in India. Like there was one monkey, a dog I guess, had killed one monkey. And so because of that,

they just decided to start killing dogs. I remember that and that was fun that felt like a movie. They was like I remember that it was like monkeys from everywhere just like we any dog go in your house. Yeah. Because it's gonna be a problem. But they were throwing dogs off roofs. They were dragging the dogs.

The monkeys were and it looked like they knew like yo we gonna get these motherfuckers. Oh no they did know they did know two killer monkeys captured in India after revenge massacre of 250 dogs bro Where my dogs at? That is so crazy 250 they're fucking smart and they're fucking dangerous and the thing is like they they'll steal your baby man They'll steal kids. They're fucking they're not stealing're fucking my baby not yours but if you're not paying attention they're creeps do that give you they have to give you a warning like these are baby snatching I mean it's like here's the baby snatching monkeys here's the Oreo

eating monkeys and here just the monkey monkeys it all are mental issues did you ever see the footage of Thailand when they were rampaging through the streets because all the tourists were gone because it was COVID? No. You ever see that? It's insane. The monkeys just took up... They were so used to the tourists. So they're so used to the tourists feeding them. Look at all these monkeys. Oh, that's the one I was talking about. Yeah, goddamn. How crazy is that? I mean, there's so many of them, man. They're everywhere. So if you're around them, man, you're in danger Like you have a food you're fucked They will 100% take your food and if you try to fight them, they'll pull your fucking face off. They're like the riots

Oh, there's so many of them What does the number of monkeys were in that does it say of monkeys were in that does it say Bro you guys see in monkeys. I'm somebody has to go out there with a shotgun Wildlife other than the woods I deal with snakes and shit like that bro ancient Thai city It's over on with monkeys look as long as they stay cool But I guess you just have to feed them to keep them cool. There's not gonna be enough food I guess if they like you put a tiger head in this shop to scare them away. No, did you really I got a tiger said as Well, that's hilarious. Like he doesn't know that monkey knows that that thing doesn't move

It's gonna be one monkey to go touch them like no motherfucker. Get the fuck about it shit, man Look, they're just hanging Look at the balls on that monkey, too increasingly aggressive They're just hanging. Look at the balls on that monkey too. Increasingly aggressive. Street brawls. Whoa. Rival Macauck gangs. World star. Bro, they have rival gangs of monkeys. That's crazy. It affects their health when they eat human food.

Yeah, they fucking feel better. The more energy they have. Yeah. They eat human food. It's probably better. I watch that and I say, God bless America. If you could give monkeys cheeseburgers, they'd be pumped. If you like to have an in-and-out. But then you have a monkey like this, I was going to say double-double. Like, no, it'll be, monkeys come over here, oh man.

That's how people from different cities come. They're like, this is my first in-and-out burger. That's what I would be. Here's the thing about those monkeys in Thailand. Was that always like that? Like, when did they get overrun by monkeys? Like did they have those amount of monkeys 20 years ago? You know what I'm saying? I think what would probably be during the pandemic

would get real crazy. Well, I think that got real crazy, crazy where they wanted the gangs and they started like, cause there's no more food. Cause the tourists weren't there. They was like separating which one, East side, West side monkey

But my thought was like were there that many of them in cities 20 years ago, or is that a recent thing? You know, is that a thing where they're figuring it out and then their population is gonna get bigger and bigger They're getting prepared for AI. They know it's coming They're getting prepared for AI. They know that once they create the first monkey created through artificial intelligence, that all of them, they're going to be out of business. They're prepared for it the same way. They're just not talking about it, Joe.

And that's the only thing that separates them from us is the ability to communicate. There's speculation more recently that they're actually missing now. This monkey's thinking the same shit that you're thinking. They're missing? Monkeys are going missing. They're seeing less numbers in the streets.

And they're speculating. They're leaving Hollywood. They're leaving Hollywood. Traffickers have snuggled them out of the country. They're leaving, Joe. I think I actually, and Antley said snuggled them. I meant smuggled them. Yeah, that makes sense.

They're leaving Hollywood. They're going somewhere else where it feels safer and it's easier. Same thing with me. Well, a lot of them, they go to private zoos, we found out, in the Middle East. Everybody can afford a private zoo. A lot of ballers can though, and that's like a thing, to have a private zoo and to have your own. Like, if you're some dude and you're living in some...

So you're rescuing these monkeys and then you're putting them in a private zoo to do what? What is your life goal? Well people stare at those monkeys at their private zoo. That's what I think. I think there's insanely wealthy people that have private zoos. I think it's a normal thing. Thousands of monkeys invade Thai city driving out tourists and businesses. Oh this is recently. Yeah so it's like this is back to what it was a normal thing. Thousands of monkeys invade Thai city driving out tourists and businesses. Oh, this is recently Yeah, so it's like this is back to what it was during the pandemic It looks like they're invading that they're coming back and it says some investors might take their money out until they address the issue Yeah, it's about to be some dead. It's about to be some poison. They're about to poison this shit out the monkeys. Well, um

3,500 monkeys, they're gonna do some lace oreos they're about to kill all of them they're gonna have to do something like that yeah yeah they about to kill they're gonna give them covid the monkeys is dead they're probably gonna give them some poison yeah i think at a certain point you kind of have to control the population as sick as that sounds they're gonna wipe that's crazy just let them climb on people they're gonna take about a thousand of them. Mm-hmm. Right? Put them away. Put them away. Or just have them somewhere

when they wanna give them the breed. This sounds crazy. I think they're just gonna poison a fuckload of them. I think you're right. They can't poison all. Why not? I'm right the second time, Joe. Can't kill them all, Joe.

Didn't they? You don't have to kill them all. Then what are you gonna do about it? There's so many of them. You just give it a certain amount of food. And the most aggressive ones are the ones that only get the food first. And so that way you get rid of the most douchey

of all the douchey monkeys. Oh, then you say, okay, that makes sense. My customer would get about 4,000 of them, round them up, and then they give them some poison, and the other one is just, it's out. Yeah, they start back up. Listen, either one can work, but I think that rounding them up, you could probably sell

them. They're probably worth a lot of money. I think there's a lot more of those private zoos than we like to think there are. Yeah, but I don't know anybody that has a private zoo. I don't even know anybody that would know about a private zoo. You don't know any oil dudes either. There's probably some oil dudes out there that got a private zoo. That's the oil dude.

You got a thousand Ferraris in a private zoo. Saudi Arabia. Yeah, you got a tiger. Dubai. You got a fucking bunch of monkeys. And you got your own zoo. We got these right from Thailand. It's not enough of those old dudes

to keep the species alive. So back to my situation. Lock up 3,000. Lock up 3,000 other monkeys and then poison the rest of them that you can control. It's the new Bob Barker. Help control the pet population. Have your monkeys spayed and neutered. Well, we can change the world. I think you just got to control the populations and unfortunately the only way to control the populations is either give them birth control, which is

a problem, right? That's weird, anyway. In the streets, yeah. How's that gonna work? Or you have to kill them. So, or you sell them to rich dudes who have their own. They've been there since the 13th century. Oh wow. That's a bad idea, Jordan.

I could just get rid of them. How many did they have back then? Was it those kind of numbers? The numbers have gone up and down. I just read through a tourist thing about people going to the city. Remember the last train leaves at 1806. You don't want to get stuck there Oh my god, yeah, imagine if you get stuck by the monkeys you got a candy bar and they just fuck you up

Yes, I'll try to eat a candy bar in front of those monkeys. They will fuck you up I think I'll both about three just been shitted on. Yeah But then again like how old is that city? I think whenever they find groups of people they probably realize they're cute and people give them food if they have any extra. Only tourists. Then if the tourists not gonna come there to go back to their normal wildness. Yeah. Tourists the only thing that's probably kept them cool. I wonder if wolves will ever get to the point again where they become dogs again. Like the reason why wolves became dogs is because people were having campfires the wolves would come around

They'd feed them and those are the ones that stayed closed their ears got floppy or and then they started breeding them and then they became Dogs over thousands of years. I wonder if we'll fuck things up so hardcore And wolves would be so everywhere again the real wolves would be everywhere again And we'll start doing dogs again from scratch which species would be so everywhere again. The real wolves would be everywhere again. And we'll start doing dogs again from scratch. Which species would be first? I know a chihuahua. My punk dog couldn't have, yeah, definitely closest one. Huskies, huskies, German shepherds. Not a Frenchie. They probably looked like that.

They probably looked like just many, many, many, many. Because you got to think a dog or even a wolf. How long do they live? Like, how long does a wolf live in the wild? Is it like a dog or like an old one is like 15 16 years old? How long is a wolf life? life expectancy of a wolf Captivity is up to 20 and this is the wild is no longer than 10 years usually Wow up to 20 in captivity So it's basically like a dog up to 20 like dogs that live 20 years. So let's imagine

How many generations you can get just in the course of one person's life. You know, you breed when the wolf pup is a year and a half or two years old, you breed them. They breed again, they breed again, you keep selecting for the ones that are the most docile, the most obedient, floppy ears, shorter snout, and you just keep doing that over and over again. Within a couple of hundred years, you have a totally different animal. You have a totally different animal because you're dealing with so many generations.

So what you're saying, in over hundreds of years, so we're going to have robotic motherfuckers raising these wolf dogs or that's your prediction no one of many things can happen one thing can happen is natural disaster natural disaster like a big one like Yellowstone blowing up like Yellowstone is a super volcano and if it blows up it's like a continent killer it's gonna fuck up the whole continent. It has a, does it have the possibility of? 100%.

100%, it goes every six to 800,000 years. And I think the last time it went was 600,000 years ago. Oh shit, I was preparing for this total eclipse. Now in the fucking. Nah, a total eclipse is nothing. That's April. April 8th. That's gonna be fun, that'll be interesting to watch. Are you gonna watch it? I'm gonna be in Ohio when that happens. It's going 8th. That's gonna be fun. That'll be interesting.

Are you gonna watch it? I'm gonna be in Ohio when it happens. It's going right here. It's traveling right above me. But they say Ohio is the best place to see it. Is that true? Dave probably told you that. No, no. I think Bert Kreischer told me that because he's gonna be there. Well, Bert Kreischer is not necessarily Wikipedia. Why you hating, man? God damn! What's wrong with you today?

Fuck Whitney and her baby. Fuck David Taylor. Fuckin' Bert Kreisler, no shit about anything galactic. What the fuck is goin'? It's a new day, Joe. So this is the path. Yellow Springs is a great spot. Right in the center.

Just as good as here though. So you question. Just as good as here though. Yeah, it's the same path. Look, we're in Austin. It goes right through us. Yeah, but Jamie, I like the idea of me being right. I was right. Yeah, we're definitely right, but I mean, it literally passes right through us.

So where are we, Jamie? Go to where we are. And this happens every what, seven years? I feel like I've been to one before. So we'll see we'll get a very very very Very very good view of it, but you need to be about 50 miles what time Jamie to get like I don't know I think it's like 1 o'clock. It says yeah a.m.. Of course no p.m.. P.m.. P.m.. P.m.. You wouldn't that wouldn't be a Sunnys Well, there's got to be some places you can go where you don't have to make a big deal out of it

You know you can look through that if you have a Tesla with the right roof you can go where you don't have to make a big deal out of it. You know, you can look through that if you have a Tesla with the right roof, you can look through that. Oh, yeah, because it's got all the protection on it. Oh, that's what I read. Well, Roka is making glasses. They're making glasses. Just specific for this. Yeah, just specific. So, you can't look at it for not any period of time. It's not good to look at it at all. I remember when I was a kid in Ohio, like, I don't know, that would have been like 95 or something. It was a weird day, but it gets really strangely dark outside

for a little bit. You want to look at it obviously because you're attracted to it. It will fuck up your eyes just like staring at like a laser. It could get bad if you look at it for a long time. I don't think I'm going to look at it that long. Not long enough for it to go bad. I mean it is interesting, but in the greater scheme of the universe Is it that interesting all this is alignment of stars? But it's something that makes it interesting that it doesn't happen, but what every what ten years? That's true. Um, Jamie. I'm gonna send you something cuz this is interesting Yeah, you look right at it, right?

Yeah. This blink squinting his eyes is fucking hilarious. Those are the guys, he's stormed. Yeah, he's so ridiculous. Hold on, we've got to find this fucking thing. Joe, you asked me time and time again about my special. You didn't even watch it. Nope, I don't watch anything.

Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. I'm too busy right now. And plus, I don't even know if I got a link. Someone send me a link. You'd have to like send me a link for me to watch it. It's streaming on Netflix, Joe. Oh, when did it start? February 27th, thank you for that.

I didn't know. February, it's streaming. It's actually streaming. It's on Netflix. February, it's streaming, it's actually streaming. It's on Netflix. Oh, you need an advance link. No, an advance of. You need it before everybody gets to see it. I didn't know it was out.

That's the only way you will watch it if you had a private link with codes and everything, Joe. That's how I like to watch things. So just like. I like to feel special. So just like putting the name of it in Netflix, you don't do that, right Joe? Well I don't do that anymore.

So you're preparing for artificial intelligence of a special release? Yeah, that's a better way to do it. All right. That's not what I'm saying. It came out February 27th, man. And it did well, people like like it the streets like it the streets yep the creeks the creeks the creeks and the streets like it um I'm

gonna send you this Jamie because this is just a very strange thing that happened at the club the other night that almost doesn't make sense so we were in the green room I felt like I want to sing and link for my special Casey rocket was on stage in the small room and Tony Hinchcliffe was on stage in the big room fuck Tony Now this the the room the shows had been going on for hours in the in the small room It was the open mic So there might have been 20 people on before and in the big room It started at a different time and

This was 45 minutes into the show So three comedians had gone up but somehow another the time synced perfectly within the second So as the timer was going off we were Bob bigger staff He's the first person to notice it and he pointed it out to us like go back Computer rebelled? Yeah. Really? Anyway. So you had an eclipse of your rooms?

Yeah, it's like an eclipse. This is like an eclipse. Like the odds of this happening are so small. One show started at 10 p.m. Or 8 p.m. The other show started earlier than that and had like an open mic night so that had like 10 people had been up before and Casey Rockett is on stage he's at five minutes and 24 seconds and Tony's on stage in the other room five

minutes 24 seconds and we were like this is crazy like what are the odds of this happening who I'm gonna happen like who would even notice that it happened. Bob did. If he didn't notice it. It might have been lost in time. Yeah, Tony fucking did. His fans are. Yo, Daly's a motherfuckers boy. And this is what going back to like not reading the comments.

I think the last time I did Kill Tony it was probably like three or four years ago right? I'll be having a good comment day Joe. Oh good day. Yeah I love you, I love you. Then the next thing. Well ask him if he's going to walk out on Kill Tony's podcast again. Yeah. What do you do? You gotta let that one go. I wanna go back. Well, then go back. I'm afraid. Then get your ass.

Well, the power of it. Go back, but be ready. The power. I was, wait a minute. First of all, I was ready. But you still walked off. That's what you believe, Joe? Did you not walk off?

You didn't know what the real story, that's what you believe? I don't know. I don't know what happened. That's all propaganda. I had completely forgotten about it. I'll tell you what happened. I was here first of all. Okay. I you what I was here. First of all, okay, I Did Tony's show during the pandemic right when he couldn't get guests, right?

I risked my fucking life risk your life for him right in these punk ass motherfuckers. Yes good show black comic goes up I'm up I've been there two and a half hours they just drink give me two teatoes and teatoes and teatoes they're forcing you to drink whatever I know that I consume teatoes and teatoes right then I had a date a sushi date you know sushi spot I'm talking about the one that the private joint mm-hmm it looks like a speakeasy, six people. I had a reservation for that. So I'm doing this show,

I told them I'm going to the bathroom because I was gonna go eat. And they made it look like I ran off the show, Joe. Really? You went for that bullshit edit. I had been on the show for two- You should sue It's not a bad idea

But I like Tony I like this Pain and suffering this take a look all right, and it's petty and I should and I don't really give a fuck then go back But it's what yeah, I would love to so as my schedule allows it I'll go back. Why you looking at me like I got a problem with going back? No, I don't. Okay, wait a minute. Bathroom, that is not a comedian.

This, okay, go rewind it. Did I, now this is what they did, Joe. They showed me talking to the comedian, then look, look, all right, watch this. Is that me running off from a comedian? That's like, I'll be right back. Going to the comedian and look, look, all right, watch this. Is that me running off from a comedian? That's like, I'll be right back. Going to the bathroom. Look, ghost, look, keep following it.

Walks off. To the bathroom. To the bathroom. Right. But what they showed, Jamie, can you, I'm glad we get to fucking put this out there. Can you show the edit they did? I don't know who made the edit. Just put, Don-El walks off.

Don-El walks off in an edit. Now watch what they do in the fucking edit. Don-El walks off. How many times have you watched this? Only 4,000. Why have you? Not 4,000. Why have you really spent?

I haven't spent no time, I just remember it. This is the first time I actually saw the original. they've doctored it up. They doctored the white man That seems I'm making it race. I don't white man. I don't feel like they should have done that They shouldn't have done it But you're about that you first thing and it worked on you because you said yeah that time you walked out Just can I call Tony right now? Yeah, and the way you looked at me, the way you looked at me was like, what you gonna do about it? Call Tony Hinchcliffe.

Hold please. Yeah, did you got that? I know it's gotta come up. The one I found that doesn't seem, you're not even in the video yet. Yeah, this is, yeah, tell him I'm still sensitive about it. And I took him to eat fried chicken. Tony Hinchcliffe?

Yo, what's up man? Hey dude, I'm here, you're on the podcast right now. I'm here with Don-El Rawlings. And I'm still beefing motherfucker, tell him the real story. Tell him the real story. Did you edit the show to make it look like Don-El was upset and that a man clowned him and he walked up the stage? Can I say this? A black man. Did you edit it? First off, Tony, Tony! Tony, you fucking foolish shit, man!

Nothing was edited? So Tony, what you see is actually the true events that took place? No, 100%. And he never, you know, I mean it's absolutely not even in question. Is Don-El trying to pull a PR move here? Is this the reason why black people have issues? It's very shady and he's trying to rewrite history. Oh, all right, Jamie, for me, for the sake of God, now he can't find it. This is outrageous, Tony.

I don't know what to think. Can't find it. We have pictures of him outside of a firehouse after the moment he was saying hi to people at the fire department. They were like fans of his and he went and hung out with them. He had nothing to do, he had nowhere to go. Oh lord lord lord.

This is getting worse. I can't believe this man. I can't believe you left out details only to use them as a weapon when confronted by propaganda. Kudos to you sir for holding your cards. No fucking kudos. Tony supports black on black crime. He pitted two black guys against each other.

I thought you said that you went to the bathroom and none of that stuff happened. They edited it. I went to the bathroom. He said that he was going to the bathroom. He walked all the way out the front door. Right, to the sushi spot son. I left for sushi. He said he he was going to the bathroom. He walked all the way out the front door. Right, to the sushi spot, son. I left for sushi.

He said he left for sushi. Jamie, please. His reservations were much later than when he left before. All right, now watch this. Is this it? Breaking news, Donnell Rawling walks off. Now watch the edit. Mom and dad, geez, on the same fucking stage.

Now watch. If you don't get the fuck out of here, where'd you get those Jordanian people? I've invited Donnell back on. I mean, he's the same fucking Hold on he's hold on a second. We're watching the video of it right now Tito's kicking in Tito's no you're not I want to go wrap it up thank you Tony Tony thank you very much thank you I see the truth now I see the truth thank you

thank you don't know Tony's a liar was shameful. I had to go to the bathroom. I get it. I had to go to the bathroom. What am I supposed to do? Sit there? Act like I'm in the woods? Yeah, it's just you came to a gunfight with a robber sword. I didn't come to a gunfight. I wasn't there for that. I know. You were there to host. You didn't know you were going to get attacked ruthlessly. That's what why you were drunk Yes, too drunk to defend yourself too drunk. That was right. They're very abusive very abusive to our friendship And I called to everything I don't think you realized it was gonna happen though to be honest Like no one plans anything. I killed this one said black on black crime. Mmm. I was giving this

black African-american comedian some good advice on comedy, and then he just started shooting me. Fah, fah, fah, fah, fah, fah, fah, fah. And I wasn't ready for that. I was like, how could you do that to me? And then all the white people started laughing. Oh, look at the black on black crime.

We don't gotta do anything. They're killing themselves. Fah, fah, fah, fah, fah. RIP George Floyd. All of that. That's a very interesting way to put it. That's exactly what my people saw Joe. And it was all and Tony and his crew of henchmen set it up. Interesting. Henchmen. The henchcliff. Yes. And he lied. Just right now. People are going to believe that. He just lied.

Seems like he wasn't lying though because we watched the video. I don't know what you saw, Joe. What did you see? I saw something totally different. I saw a guy that had to go to the bathroom. Okay. That's what happened. Okay, we settled it. We're in the world of editing. I had to go to the bathroom, I went to the bathroom, and then I went to the bathroom and then I did sushi.

I really don't care. It's a new day. I'm going to let it go. Yeah, let's let it go'm going to let it go. Yeah, let's let it go. Let's let it go. Didn't go well. Expected it to go. But I appreciate the fact checking and I appreciate the research of the doctored clip you had,

Jamie. Thank you. It is kind of rude, Jamie, that you did that to Donnell. I thought that's the one he wanted me to find. I mean, you could have put up any clip, but you chose to go with the CGI AI Doctored Tony Hinchcliffe henchmen version yep That's it, but long as like you don't help me how many fucking times you've done kill Tony three times. That's it. Yep really Yeah, I did it in LA Maybe two I did in LA a lot of fun David Lucas was on that one

We had a good time court to stand novation on that joint nice I did that one then I did the one here when When David, Lucas and Tony tear each other apart, it's the hardest I ever laughed. Yeah. David goes after Tony so hard and Tony goes after David. And they're both laughing really hard at each other getting clowned. But when that man David went at it, it was an example of joning because everybody was like, oh, you didn't let him talk. I'm like, when I came up with roasting, whatever you call it, you didn't let him talk. I'm like, the way I came up with roast and whatever you call it, you don't let nobody talk. You just go into that person, you run out of breath

or run out of jokes. It wasn't like, and now it's your turn. You get three seconds. Right. It's not slap fighting. I don't like roast. I might have been invited to like, or agreed to do like three roasts in my entire career.

I think they're too personal. I think it's, I mean, it's funny to some people, but I think it's just too personal. It's too easy just to be disrespectful. Oh, just a joke. You meant that shit and it hurts. Yeah, it's a license to be mean. Yeah, I don't like it.

I did Whitney's, I did Whitney's. Whitney called me and I said, I don't like it. I did Whitney's. I did Whitney's. Whitney called me and I said, I don't like the Rose. I don't do that thing. And then she told me how much I was getting paid. I said, so I need to be there at five. That's so sweet. We coming off the pandemic, wasn't nobody making money.

I did it with her. Isn't it wild they did it on OnlyFans? OnlyFans has had comedy specials. I know, but it was dope. I really think, I really saw her as a producer doing that and being able to put people together and like she was really really serious about making it look good get the right people involved. It was fun. Yeah. She's great at all kinds of stuff. She's always juggling things. I remember I was talking to her she was in the middle of writing a

script right and she's like I'm gonna put the script aside for a bit because I'm doing this documentary on violence I'm like what oh yeah what yeah and oh yeah did I tell you I'm having a baby next week. I'm nine months pregnant apparently. Picture that who would have known. She's a maniac. Yeah but it was fun it was fun to work with. I did it with her did it with Bert Kreischer, Jim Nortonorton was so funny guy and we had to roast without having to be too mean like that's cool it was cool I had a good time but I mean if you ever I'll send you the link for my special you can watch it you know Netflix I will go watch it there's a few that I need to watch I still haven't watched Shane's I didn't watch Dave's

last one I don't watch too much stand up other than a lot I try to like balance the amount of entertainment I get in general I know I don't really expect you to watch it I will watch no but you know I watch it you don't have to watch it Joe I feel like I have to watch it you don't have to watch Amy doesn't it don't feel like I have to watch it Jamie's watching it right now I like the intro everything the thing I like the intro. I like the intro. Yeah. It's good. You gotta watch it. I watch it. But you don't have to, but watch it. Because you were like, when is the special coming out? Probably watch it. Alright, it was fun. Okay. But the thing is, one thing about a special, you've done a lot of them,

the special thing about it is like, alright, what's next? It forces you to have to start over. And this is a lot of people. People understand the pressure, I feel, of his special, because people always say, well, this is what people say. It happened to me last week. I did a show, somebody said,

I liked the show I just saw more than I liked the special. I don't know if people understand, the funniest you're probably gonna see a comedian is right before he shoots a special and right after the special. Also just live is always funnier. Live is always funnier. It's way funnier. I always say that if you see a really good special, a really good special is like 60 to maybe 70% as funny as it is if you were in the place exactly Probably like 60 and that's the hardest. Yeah, the hardest thing to capture Is that feeling like you can't capture it without with this special for me first time? I was telling you earlier first time I did he candid because of the kovac stuff the second time we were in uh,

Napa valley we were doing some shows there and you know, Chappelle records all of his shows. Probably you do the same thing. So he asked the producer, Ricky Hughes, he said, how many cameras do we have here today? She said, we got five. He looks at me and says, do you wanna shoot your special? I'm like, when?

He said, tomorrow. I'm like, who the fuck says? But I got excited, because I liked the idea of it not being a spectacle. I liked the idea of nobody knowing about it. It was only three people that knew we were even gonna go for it. Everything else was like a regular show.

I was like, oh you know what, this'll be so dope. No pressure, shot it, killed it, Joe. I was doing a regular thing. I wasn't thinking about special, just regular show. I'm like oh should I call Robbie problem like oh we got the special he let me see it you've been saying that right three weeks later Dave calls me again I want to shoot the special over I'm like why he said I didn't like the production I'm like motherfucker you're the producer he was like yeah but it was it was really small thing.

He was like, delighting. And then it was people walking past, you know, doing the show. And I was like, what do you remember live at Sunset Strip, Richard Pryor? One of the funniest lines you remember where he was like, look, white people left. They came back, their seats gone.

It was in the moment. It was live, it felt live. That's where I thought, if that felt live. He was like, Don, we'll put it out. But I'm telling you, if we're gonna do it, we scratched the second one. Cut to the third one. And I think out of all the criticism

and everything he said leading up to his reasons why he wanted to do it again, I think that I caught it. And people's like, do you think that was your best? In that moment, that night, it was the best I could be that night. Beautiful. You know what I mean? Like, you know, we'll do shit. You say, I'm not doing that joke before. You know you've performed these jokes better, but can you capture it in that moment, that night? Right And I think I caught a good vibe. Beautiful.

Donnell, I love you. You're not gonna watch it. I'm gonna. That's why Donnell, you're very with it. I love you, I have to take a leak and we gotta end this, we gotta wrap this up. No problem. Thank you very much.

Tell everybody the name of it. It's The New Day on Netflix. There it is, look at the thing. That's another sharp suit. I got two suits for two different situations. The yellow in the pocket, I like it. What's the button say? DR, it's my logo.

Oh, nice. Proud of that. Finally got it done. Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you, brother. All right. Bye, everybody.