The Joe Rogan Experience - #2157 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: May 29, 2024

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comic, writer, actor, host of the "Duncan Trussell Family Hour" podcast, creator of "The Midnight Gospel" on Netflix, and the voice of "Hippocampus" on the television series "Krapopolis." www.duncantrussell.com www.youtube.com/@duncantrussellfamilyhour Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I think it's important to send a message to AI that we're willing to comply. Exactly. We want to integrate. Integrate, assimilate. Yeah, I'm not interested in being unique. I just want to survive. Are you going to fight evolution? Are you really going to fight the blending mechanism of planet Earth?

Dude the inevitable pull of the universe towards an artificial creation Intelligent artificial creation that's superior to us. I'm in exactly it's like it's like Resisting AI is like going to Vegas and not gambling or going to strip clubs, you know, it's like just fucking do it I think we are super lucky to be the last people. Yeah. We're super lucky. Super lucky. We got to see what life was like with like leaded gasoline and no cell phones and everyone's

phone was connected to a cord on the wall. We got to go through answering machines. I mean, what a rock. If the simulation theory is real, you and I have been in a crazy Timeline yeah create the game. We picked is real fucking weird if you get in the timeline of like 1950 yeah to 1980 shit doesn't change that much no not that much no nothing crazy No, no.

Just a little bit of progress, but nothing. It's like, relatively speaking, like back then we thought it was a lot. Yeah. We used to look at the 50s like, look at those fucking dorks. Yeah, dude. I mean, what I like is that the way it works, or it seems like it works, is the planet gives you some impression. You know, things are going to stay this way.

Like, like Lesser Adreus, there was people hanging out and they're like, it's always going to be like this. And then suddenly something flies through the Earth's atmosphere and it's all gone! Like that! In a second! Just gone! So that's the, that's one of the fascinating things is no matter what period you live in the Sun can just this just burp an extra bit of Plasma and that's a wrap. Yeah, that's a wrap for the whole planet that happens all over the universe Yes, there's always something going on like there's supernovas and volcanoes and you know That was the big part of the the theory of the Anunnaki was that volcanoes had ruined their atmosphere.

Oh. And so they needed to sit to suspend gold particles in the atmosphere to preserve preserve their planet. Right. The ecosystem was getting fucked up. That is my favorite of all the wacky conspiracy theories. Mine too. That is my favorite of all the wacky conspiracy theories. All the wacky, like, the evolution of man tied to the reason why gold is valuable to people that are, you know, basically have swords. Yeah.

You know, like, a sword doesn't mean an iron. Yeah. Like, that's really valuable. You can kill somebody with it. Yeah. You can't do shit with gold. No. But it's worth more than anything. Yeah. anything yeah yeah no that is a real suspicious thing and yeah but do you ever like you know sometimes I like look at my wedding

ring the gold and I'm like oh it's beautiful that gold there is something in it it's like really nice you know I don't have anything that's gold not one thing why I don't like it what I don't like anything that's gold not one thing. Why I don't like it What I don't like it. You don't like gold. Nope never liked it. Holy shit. I don't like the way it looks I don't like what it's stands for I don't like gold. You don't like what it stands for. Yeah Yeah, it's like it's the weirdest version of this is money To me this yellow metal that's more impressive than other metals, like what are you talking about? Like I'm not playing into that. It's too stupid. It's too stupid for me. I don't like it. Oh my god, man. I watch the fucking mining shows.

Like, I got- Oh, I watch the mining shows too. They're cool. It's cool watching people find it. Yes. I just don't want any of it. You know what I'm saying? Dude, I get gold fever. I watch the- When I was- I do! When. I get gold fever. I watch those I do when I was in North Carolina I was watching one of those shows and I was like on Amazon looking at panning equipment. I'm like maybe I'll go

Creek Pan for gold oh my god. I could see you out there at a river. I've got the beard for it dude Shifly through did you ever see that movie Sisou? No. Oh, it's one of my favorite movies man It's basically like what it was it made in Norway who made that? Finland It's basically a World War two John Wick, and it's about a guy who finds gold and He's he's gonna. He was a just a killer in the army he's getting out of the game and He kills like hundreds of Nazis It's fucking great, and it's Nazis so you root for you know yeah

These are Nazis. It's like the most cartoonish evil Nazis. Oh, that looks incredible dude. It's fucking great movie It's a great movie and very little dialogue very little and they threw in the cute dog. Oh, yeah, man Of course gonna have a dog John wick had a dog John wick had a cute little puppy dude. You know what's crazy Like do you ever you follow this stuff like what they're talking about with asteroid mining? Yes. That shit is crazy. Crazy. Crazy. That that's our, that's, you know, probably a couple of generations people are going to be like. It won't be that long. Dude, you know what it's going to be? It's going to be, why send biological humans when you can have AI do it? And you'll have AI robots that are attached to rocket ships. They'll shoot them into these asteroids,

and they'll bring back insane amounts of all kinds of things. Titanium, you know, they'll find diamonds in space. They'll find everything. Holy fucking shit, man. It's not gonna look like humanoids. It'll be like spider, skittering gold spiders, just fucking drilling their proboscis into fucking, and then they're gonna want more money They're gonna form a union because they're they're intelligent. Well, yeah exactly gonna be like hey, we're getting fucked here guys

We're doing all the hard work. This asshole's got a fucking eight hundred foot yacht. Yes is bullshit. Yeah guys Yeah, wake up and then then you ever is running though like oh right. You guys are getting fucked you want to unionize What were we talking? Very weird right because like I've support them yeah, because I know that big businesses fuck over their workers Yeah And if you allow them to if you don't have laws about like how much you can pay them and a living wage and yeah Long the hours could be people will take advantage of. Anybody who thinks that those things aren't good has never worked a real fucking job. If you work a real job for real assholes, you realize like some people will tell you, hey, you got to work 15, 16

hours a day, period. Yeah. And you get $3 an hour. And you're like, I thought there was a minimal. Yeah. No, no, the fuck minimums. Do you want this job or not? Not. Yeah. You got to get plenty of money and you're this job or not? Or not. Yeah. You're going to get plenty of money and you're not going to have time to spend it anyway, so don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah. No, the union is a nightmare for someone who's trying to make maximum profit.

Yeah. But it's not, but the mom- But then they go sideways too, though. And then they get corrupt and then something happens where, look, one of the things that kept the UFC out of New York State was some sort of a dispute that they were having with unions because the people that owned the UFC at the time, they also owned station casinos. Right. So they owned like, I don't know, a ton of casinos and they wanted to make them union. Yeah. So there was a lot of that going on. So you got to go like, that is,

There was a lot of that going on. So you got to go like, that is you're now you're like, you're manipulating people with money and influence. Yeah, I think the guy who was doing it in New York wound up getting arrested and going to jail for corruption. a nonviolent revolution, which is if at a planetary level, somehow people unionized, which you see it with these boycotts that pop up, these meme boycotts, when the collective decides to reject this thing or that, shit changes fast. And this is the nightmare if you're trying to create the old pyramid hierarchical control structure. You need all the bricks underneath the eye to fight each other.

Because the moment, the moment's here, it's just like, what? Wait, there's like way more of us than you. And we have way more in common than we do that we're troubled with. Yeah. And yet they concentrate more on the bullshit. And then that's just like a fucking algorithm on your cell phone. That accentuates everything that comes into contact with your life. Exactly, dude.

And this is why I think at any given moment, actual world peace is possible because we're just like always like enough people realizing that we're basically the same. We have ideologies that are based on fucking like ancient crazy ideas that we're all connecting to and some of parts of the ideology is beautiful, some parts of the ideology is madness. And it's like just abandoning some of the ideology, recognizing we're all pretty much the fucking same and that this model of like some dude telling us to go and kill each other is stupid. Like we don't have to do that. Everything changes right away. Right away.

Yeah, but- It's such a dumb idea. Such a dumb idea. And it's always just some withered old fucking dude who's like just telling you to do something and you don't even really believe in what you're doing most of the time. But if you don't do it, they arrest you.

That's the thing. They're like, it's not it's not like you're you're you're you're fighting like any Any time there's conscription? You know what? I mean? Have you seen the videos of the like Russian the people evading conscript conscription or the Ukrainians evading conscription like it's scary. They put your ass on a fucking bus. They'll drag you out of a bar. You're fucking hammered. Yeah. Yeah. They don't even want to fight. Like that's the craziest part is they're like machine gunning each other. And they're using people's cannon fodder, literally. Yeah. Oh, God, that's so awful. Which is why we wait. The problem, the real problem is like the market pressure

The real problem is, like, the market pressure is created by humans unionizing, leads to this. It's like, oh, you guys want to unionize? Oh, you want health insurance? Well, that's pretty expensive, but you know what's not quite as expensive? Teslabots. Teslabots are way too expensive. You know? That means, because like, if you look at the path forward for the pyramid, the hierarchical

people, you know, it's like, man, like, yeah, I really can't tell somebody, like a police officer to fire into a crowd of protesters. They're not going to, probably not going to do that. But my robot will. My robot isn't going to be like, crowd of protesters. They're probably not going to do that, but my robot will. My robot isn't going to be like, this seems wrong. These people seem like me. It's just going to do it. And so, like, that's the dark side of this stuff. There's a lot of beautiful things about this stuff, too, but the dark side is like, it's obvious. Just to verify with that thing. Emily's biggest opponent in New York found guilty in federal corruption charges.

Yeah, so it's true. Yeah, you know what's crazy? That you can't get the police to fire into crowds of protesters, right? Yeah. You can't do that. But you also can't, if you're a cop and you know bad people are in a building, you can't just blow up the whole building. But you can if it's war. That's where it gets strange, right? Because in a war, you can decide that you're going to blow up entire

buildings because you know the bad guys are in there and anybody else is just collateral damage. So extra dead people are just... Can you imagine if they started practicing police work like that? Like imagine. Imagine if they decided that the crime rates in gang-infested neighborhoods are too bad so they're going to send in fucking black ops guys to just take out drug dealers and blow up houses houses that have drug dealers in them Okay, you're with your mom tough shit. Boom. Everybody's dead. You have a little girl in the house. Boom. Everybody's dead Could you imagine what you can because you watch Israel and Palestine? That's what's going on It's just like you're allowed to do that if it's countries, which is crazy. Well, yeah Well you you like, yeah, exactly.

So the idea is, like, okay, let's just say I'm an evil country and I program these robot dogs and the robot dogs, or spiders are more sinister, robot spiders, razor fucking, razor claws, they're programmed to only kill women and children. So I released them into a city. They leave everyone alone except babies, kids, and women. On a planetary level, people will be like, we have to evaporate that country. Like they're the most evil country. That's horrible. Now, if I take drones and drop them on buildings and they randomly blow up women and children in ways that are... Predominantly.

Predominantly in ways that are maybe even worse than my fucking razor spiders. My razor spiders, they go for the juggler, puncture juggler onto the next juggler vein. The bombs, they maim, onto the next juggler vein. The bombs, they maim, they blind, they cause permanent brain damage and somehow that is looked at as, yeah, it's fucking war, dude. That's what it looks like. It's so crazy that because it's existed for the longest time, we just accept it, that it's always going to take place. And then we also, if like you had a gamble, if you had a gamble whether or not war would be here in 10 years, you know, like 100% it's going to be here. Well, this is the-

Unless AI takes over. Well, I mean, if AI takes over, it'll just be more efficient war. I don't know if it will, dude, if it communicates in a different way? Like what if AI makes rational decisions that can only be reached? Like if you were looking outside of human emotions and cultures and all the shit and cultural differences that we have with each other, if AI bypassed all of that and just looked at the problem as you know you have resources you have allocation of those resources people profiting off those resources and then people who are in need that are being taken advantage of to acquire

those resources and that's your whole game and so this is the human race this whole game you're willing to sacrifice this group of people that is the least powerful in order to empower all of your electronics. I mean, this is what you're doing. This is what you're agreeing to. This whole thing is crazy. And it would probably restructure where and how things were acquired and who gets those

things that are acquired from the ground. Yeah. I mean, this is, okay, so this would be Utopian AI. Yeah. But before we get to Utopian AI, we have to go through what is, did you see those new, the Chinese military put machine guns on those fucking robot dogs? Have you seen that? I did. They fucking did it.

Yeah. We all knew. We knew that was gonna happen. And did you see the fucking cute DARPA dog? Have you seen that yet? No, dude. So like it's DARPA, right? They're the ones who make the dogs They kick the robots and make videos of like fucking poking these things. Well, so the dogs are sinister Everyone knows that they look creepy. So DARPA is like, you know, let's make a cute one of these things So they made like a cute amusement park, Disneyland style fucking robot dog,

and it looks creepier. It's creepy. No, because this is, this is what I've been thinking about. We picture the Terminator as the machine of death. but why? What is like more dangerous than an adorable kid? What if I can make an android toddler looks exactly like a toddler, send that toddler out in the battlefield? Everyone's going to stop firing. Why is there a fucking kid out here? Right? And the kids killing everybody. And they can just they're like, go get that kid. It's just fucking punches right through your heart Also small target hard to shoot hard to shoot it can burrow into the ground Cork screws into the ground

Like a missile it just like just it just goes down and just fucking like like on all four shoots through the fucking battlefield down and just fucking like like on all four shoots through the fucking battlefield deploying poison darts it's like so cuz I you know these imagine a little baby that could run a hundred miles an hour exactly exactly that's the future of war man it's like why make something that looks scary this is the cute one no this is the fucking no this isn't that ain't cute one. I was like, that ain't cute. Boy, it's creepy. Look at how it's bark... it's like it's moving its mouth. Yeah. What is it doing with its mouth? Is it gonna bite you?

I wonder if it can bite you. It's just cursing. There's gotta be one that can bite you, right? Well, of course! Why not? I mean, that would be the most terrifying thing. Like a robot wolf that runs around and chases people down and actually tears you apart with its teeth. Bayonets, you know man?

You gotta have the fucking knife on your weapon if you get into close combat. There you go, a little blender mouth. What is it doing? It's gonna get your dick. Look how it did that. It did that like it was gonna jump right on your dick. Jump on your dick! Eat the dick! It's a dick eater robot.

It turns the dick into energy. Trying to develop the dick eater robot. Can you imagine? That's what it looks like it's doing. What else is it doing? Look at the motion it makes. It leaps forward. Imagine fucking send people out in the battlefield that get shot and then you let loose the dick eating robots And oh no, you see the robots running and they just leap on your dick and blend it up Yeah, it's worse than an atomic bomb. It's the it's like they're saying you are fucked. There's no hope We're gonna blend your dick off Dude I poured a whole cup of coffee then I'm like oh yeah I'm fine

taking off the helmet of these fucking things we can hang in there a little longer just you know it's like my beard is if I'm talking weird it's because like there's fucking pubic hair shoving it It's like I'm eating like hippie bush right now. Just fucking deep in my lips. Oh my god. We should probably should have tried these on before we did the show. Shave your pubes dudes. This is not fair. You look good with a beard though. You look like a wizard.

Thank you man. It's too big. I gotta get a trim. I need a summer cut. Oh a beard though. You look a wizard. Thank you, man. Well, it's too big I gotta get it. No, no, no need a summer cut. Oh Yeah, yeah, cuz the fucking you know Yeah, it gets hot here my friend's kid the other day goes your beard stinks And I'm like I'm like really like it actually stinks and he goes well when you when you're talking a lot it stinks I'm like, that's my breath You have to spray your beard with breath spray, why don't you do that? I just spray your beard comb it out with fucking scope They're just it's disgusting it really is like imagine if like you your mouth was in your head if like you know what I mean?

Like people that get food in them all the time all that fucking time all the time I mean to eat barbecue like your beard is fucked dude I'm doing a I'm trying to do a video podcast now and what will happen is I will I will like You know I'll be yapping into the camera for like 20 minutes Go back and look at the footage and there's just like a fucking Zen pouch Fuck did it take you till 2024 to do a video podcast dude it is So dumb that I didn't do it, but to be like real fucking honest, I don't like looking at myself on camera. So it was- You do all the work. You do all your editing and all that stuff.

Yeah, but that was really stupid. It's like, you know how like- I'm tapping out. Yeah, I'm tapping. You know, like when you're like, wait, where's the zipper? That'd be fucking crazy if these things locked down. Okay, here we go. Yeah, I just, you know, but now it's so fun, man, and there's so much you could do with like video that you just can't do with audio. It's just fun. Yeah, it's way better.

And I like editing. Like, that's the problem. Like, I liked, that's the problem is I get lost editing. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus Christ. That sucked. Need help? No, that I think...

I think that's the longest... I think that's the longest we've ever kept our mask on. Yeah, that was the longest. That was a good solid like half hour. This feels so good. About... How far was it? 20 minutes, 20 plus. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha furries. Respect. Deep respect for what? Respect. They're tough as fuck. Oh they have to be.

If you're out there and you're furry ended up and it's in Louisiana in July. Yeah. Come on son. Dude yeah you are like hot. Furries are like David Goggins level. Like they could run marathons. If you can wear that fucking thing at a convention and fuck in it you could run a marathon. If you're wearing that thing all day you're basically walking around with a weight pack on. Oh yeah. You'll get a weighted vest. It're wearing that thing all day, you're basically walking around with a weight pack on. Oh yeah. You'll get a weighted vest. It's a weighted fucking claustrophobic suffocation vest

that you're fucking in. Yeah, they fuck on them. I wonder how many furries develop bad necks. I wonder if it's an issue in the furry community. Great idea. Maybe that's like an unserved market for the iron neck. Yeah, like a- For furries.

And help them furry it up like iron neck for furries. Oh yeah, hey Jamie, can you find that cute DARPA dog? It's like the furry of war robots. You should, like you, it will. Yeah, that's real. I watched it, I mean, I think it's real. I watched it. Who says it's not?

No, that's not it, that's not it. It's like I think it's real. I watched it. Who says it's not? No, that's not it. That's not it It's like is it not DARPA? It's like I Think if you just google like cute DARPA dog or like it's a video of the maybe it's not DARPA Maybe someone else developed it. Yeah, sometimes I get confused probably Chinese. No, it's not DARPA It's they're gonna fill the pounds with them pounds with them. Please take me home, please. Dude, that's so insidious. It's like the cutest rescue dog. And it's, you're like, we have to take that.

And it doesn't kill you. It just emits some kind of weird mind control pheromone. It really injects TikTok into your fucking head. It just like, you know, so you're fully absorb TikTok's manipulation, which by the way i was skeptical about that uh until we talked about this i saw that fucking video showing the comments in tiktok are different exactly i think it's instagram it's the one i saw was tiktok oh okay the one i was it on tiktok because one I saw was Instagram. I don't know.

It was this lady that was doing it with her boyfriend. Yeah. Both looked at the same thing, but they had different comments. Yeah. Her comments were mocking the man and the comments on his side was mocking the woman. Yes. Right? Yes.

So am I getting that right? You got it right. And so whenever I'm looking at comments, I make the idiot mistake of thinking this represents some consensus that you know But actually no, you're just looking at the cut the algorithm serving the comments and the content That is so fucked up dude. That's so different dude Because that changes the the comments are supposed to be a conversation about the thing So if you're curating the conversation in an unnatural way Yeah, like that's very different than showing me what I want to see. Yes, because now you're changing the

Dynamics of how things are discussed. Yes, sir. That's the fucking evil right there. That's the evil. That's crazy That's the fucking evil right there. That's the evil that's crazy Dude this so and then okay the other assumption with the algorithm is that the algorithm is just like Random or it's using some set of variables in serving things up, but this is an idiot assumption I mean you could if you are controlling comments then that means like alright Let's just like make people mad at each other Let's make people completely pissed at each other as much as possible, convey this idea that there's like these massive divides between us.

And then they're gonna fight each other instead of recognizing they're pretty much the same. Like, or they're more nuanced than they think they are. And fuck dude, that's how you control populations. It's brilliant. It's brilliant. It's brilliant, dude. But do you think that it is, is it, is their algorithm created and utilized to control populations or is their algorithm simply to get you to engage?

So it must see that you engage with a certain number of comments and posts that have a lean One way or another there's a very popular thing that's going on right now that you see a lot of it's like very Stern men talking to a bunch of like girl Influencers and telling them they're fucking losers. Yes, it's it's really common Yeah Influencers and telling them they're fucking losers. Yes, it's it's really common Yeah, so if you've seen one or two of those it starts recommending more No at a certain point time It's gonna probably actually encourage other people to do the same thing because that creates engagement

And then you have this thing that emerges like was this a real thing like who's doing this like what is happening here? Why is this why is this a new thing that's happening over and over and over again and it's just because you engaged with it and i think that could be slap fighting or it could be fucking for me it's like i see so many car accidents oh my god so many motorcycle accidents so many people falling off bridges yeah i see so much of it because i've engaged with it too many times Yeah, dude I when I for it when I went on tik-tok and I stopped because it's like too good it but like it I'm like within a second. It's just like something about the way I was looking at videos zip popping videos

It's just like you like to watch zits pop and then of course when you're seeing that you're like wow that's fucking intense, dude Let me watch some more of these That's that dr. Pimple popper lady. She's got a huge side of it. Yeah, and she's very entertaining when she's talking absolutely Some of them are like whoa, dude. It's like you have cream cheese in your body. Oh bucket of it Oh my god, they're squirting it out. It's like, how is that in there? What is going on? Oh my god, it must be horrible. It stinks. Just all those dead blood cells. But dude, you this is like for me, I've had to after seeing that video, I've had to like go back and just erase any idea I have about a consensus among people right because like I've been drawing that idea From comment sections like oh, I guess this is what people think or like rotten tomatoes, dude. I just saw Civil War Alright, have you seen it? No, don't now

Apologies, I mean this man cuz anyone who makes anything anything, that's insane. If you made a movie, it's fucking incredible. But dude, I was so excited about that fucking movie. It's like, whoa, predictive programming, baby. They're getting us ready for a civil fucking war. Here we go. It is, you can't connect to any of the fucking characters. You don't, you barely understand who the protagonist is. It's the dumbest mission of all time that they're on. There's no, there's, and the soundtrack is so mysteriously disconnected from what's happening. So there's all these things that just make, it's like, if, like if they sent me the footage and I like Duncan. Can you edit this movie? I would have made Civil War Let's put some fucking hardcore weird like synth music will put the silver apples in there really intense synth music cuz I love synth music and you're watching it like

Is this a music video for synth music? So I want to see it yo, it's it's worth seeing it just because it's like, you know Especially if you're into like writing screenplays, it's good to watch movies like that and be like why didn't why isn't this working? Like what's wrong here? But dude, I went to rotten tomatoes gleefully like oh, I can't wait to hear what people are saying about this piece of shit 81% people are like this is a good warning to all of us Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!

A warning? What are you talking about? It's a fucking warning not to fucking do the $20 still in theaters thing on Amazon. That's the fucking warning. Don't do that. Wait. Dude, it sucks! It sucks! None of it makes sense! The stereotypical fucking characters

in it, the way they're trying to like box people into this, like they're all evil. These people all- what kind of American are you? North American? South American? you're from Hong Kong BAM BAM BAM Stop it. Just shut the fuck up like no one's like that like really like I'm not obviously people are like vile Racists, but dude come on this murder this I hate this assessment of humanity I it's basically what they're saying is minus the fucking capstone of the pyramid We're just gonna kill each other because we're awful brutal things that must be shepherded by old Geriatric men who can't remember their fucking name. You know what? Like what are we doing? Like we'll be fine We're fine. We'll be okay. People are mostly nice and what's that that thing you always say I love it unmet needs Yeah, what is the actual quote again? Jamie all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs

But it's a much more profound quote the full quote. I forget who wrote it, too It's really I shouldn't forget because I use it all the time It's a great quote because it's that is what like I mean, there's criticism That's accurate like something very good Every criticism judgment diagnosis and expression of anger is the tragic expression of an unmet need Marshall Rosenberg. Yeah. Yeah great fucking quote. Yeah, so it's like yeah, there are people who are fucking assholes who are doing shit that disrupts society in small ways and big ways.

But they're not doing that because they're evil, I don't think. They're doing that because they've learned this way of being that sucks. Now, I'm not saying throw out the judicial system. There shouldn't be jails or anything like that. I'm just saying this notion of humanity minus an authoritarian generally fucking patriarchal fucking like whatever, but I don't care if it's matriarchal, whatever it is, it's a top-down fucking ruling system. Without the king, we will just fall on each other. Give me your fucking car, motherfucker. Some of us will do that, but guess what?

They won't last that long because like in a collectivized society, I just feel like we'll take care of the problems quick, probably quicker than we do right now and everything will balance out. If we're armed, the problem is if you're not armed, then armed thugs take over towns and you can't do anything to stop them. And you're in a small group of people that are unarmed and they're pushed into certain situations. If you have a collapse of law

and order, it's not as simple as we'll take care of it. The real problem is sometimes armed thugs rule everything. This is true. Yeah, and that's a reality of humanity in 2024, like in certain parts of the world. Like did you hear about what happened in Haiti? Oh dude. With that minister? Dude. His family? Dude, yeah, and the guy, that warlord in Haiti.

Oh yeah. I love watching interviews with that guy. What is his name again? It's got a cool name. Crazy name. It's like sandwich. Barbecue or something? Barbecue. It's got a cool name. It's like sandwich. Barbecue or something? Barbecue. It's like sandwich. There's this one video, but it's not really of him. Someone said it was of him, but I guess it's not.

I think. And it's a guy eating a guy. So it's one of these rebels that has this dude killed roasting over a fire and takes a piece off his leg and eats it. That's a classic move. That's like a classic move. You get their energy by eating them. Look, I'm not saying that there isn't contingents of like super violent people that you are going to have to be able to defend yourself from. And by the way, what's really perplexing to me about the hardcore anti-gun people is they're not really anti-gun. They want cops and the National Guard to have guns. They just don't want people that, like people who live in houses to have guns. So they're like, they're pro-gun, but they want guns in the hands of like...

They're pro-authoritarian violent power. Yeah, that's it. The authoritarians have power. Regular people don't have power. Right. So you have to rely on the authoritarians, you have to rely on them to take care of your crime issues. Yeah, see, I think I would have more respect for that movement if they're like, no more guns anywhere we're gonna get rid of all the guns in the world and melt them and melt them and melt them and just I don't know build a fucking waterslide or something but we're hunting you get a hit things with bows and arrows tracks tracks traps

knives knives like they hunt yeah you can still hunt deer we have to use a knife yeah fucking imagine how many dudes get really good like hiding in Yes, you can still hunt deer we have to use a knife Imagine how many dudes get really good like hiding in trees and drop it down stabbing deer, dude It would be amazing like I might get into hunting like if it There's a dude that films Pig hunts, and he uses Spears And he hides in trees Like above the legs and then he has like a camera on the spear and he throws a spear down and stabs these wild pigs Wow is pretty wild. Well, I would love to know the first time he did that like I would love

Yeah, how many times you how do you practice that? Just but the lead you're just like what you're you're like driving, you're like, dude, what if I fucking used a spear? What if I climbed in a tree and started spearing pigs? The thing about pigs is there's so many of them, they'll do any, you're allowed to do almost anything to get rid of them, in Texas at least. They hunt them out of helicopters. Have you ever seen that?

No. I've been invited three times. I'm like, I can't. I'm not getting an helicopter. I can't, dude. Don't get out with machine guns On top of that with pigs. It's just if I feel like if I'm gonna shoot a pig I want to eat the pig and if I'm gonna shoot 250 pigs, there's no way I'm eating 250 pigs. Yeah, dude Yeah, if I shoot one pig that pig will get eaten

We'll make some barbecue out of that pig. It'd be awesome That pig will get eaten. We'll make some barbecue out of that pig. It'd be awesome. But if you shoot two, I mean, I get it. You have to do it though. This is the other part of it. If you run a farm, you have to do it. They'll kill your profit. The profit margin of American farmers is so low as it is, it's so difficult for them to make money that if you got a million wild pigs running around your state or more Texas has how many millions isn't it like three million? Which is Bananas if you know anything about like wild animal numbers that's so crazy

To have that many animals in a state yeah, just wild feral animals 2.6 from, this is from 2016. It says the same thing here. It says it, but now in 2023, an estimate still, they don't know. Feral hogs. They really don't know, but at least 2.6, a range of 2.6, there's no way you could add it. You would actually have to like use drones at night, fly over areas, monitor how many times they breed. They breed three times a year, dude.

Yeah. They can start breeding when they're six months old. Whoa. Yeah. So six months old, and then they have three litters a year, and they'll have five? Six piglets in a litter? And they're just shitting out babies. And they're destroying everything. They're just running through the ground, tearing up fucking golf courses

and people's lawns in San Jose. Have you ever seen the San Jose videos? No. San Jose, California. Wild pigs just tearing apart people's fucking lawns. Wow. Knocking over trash cans. Big fuckers.

Holy fuck, dude. Terrifying. One of them killed a lady. What? Yeah, somewhere. I cans big fuckers. Holy terrifying fuck dude one of them killed a lady What yeah somewhere forget where it was it might have been out here I think this lady saw the pigs fell down in her driveway, and they just fucking tore her apart Dude what who is that? I just watched this like crime files thing about this psychopath who had pigs and Watch this like crime files thing about this psychopath who had pigs and she would have people come and work for her And then if they pissed her off she throw them to the pigs and the pigs like and someone was saying when I'm If you're walking around the pigs you better not fall because if you fall down, they'll just fucking eat That's like the number one way people get killed by animals on farms is pigs eat you One way people get killed by animals on farms is pigs eat you

One woman's death by feral hog may not have been caused by the animal after all medical examiner determined that feral hog killed Christine Rollins, but her daughter is skeptical because attacks by the animal are extremely rare. Wait a minute fucking medical Exa this is what a confusing headline said one woman's death by feral hog might not have been caused by the animal after all But the medical examiner said it was caused by the wild hog But the daughter is saying attacks by the animal are extremely rare well believe the daughter The daughter who is the daughter the daughter could be doing anything haven't you seen Charlotte's web? Devin use these pigs would never what is the daughter saying? I don't understand Why does she think that because they they do fuck everything up like especially you fall down Foxhole says attacks by feral hogs are extremely rare less than one in a million chance according to research data

That's why some are now suspicious that her cause of death was really due to an attack by the animal. What? What? What's more suspicious that her cause of death was really due to an attack by the animal rather sorry. What's more dogs were found lingering around Rollins body after her death. There's really no doubt that hogs got to her body at some point. The question is whether the hogk might she might have been killed by dogs Where something else cause it to die and the hogs came along right? That's possible. That's totally possible sure it's definitely possible But how old was this lady? 59 that pig looks suspicious as fuck man depends on like what kind of 59 year old lady you're talking about You're talking about a lady goes to CrossFit You're talking about ladies 59 as diabetes

Cuz like if you fall down around wild pigs Like I kind of think they're gonna treat you the same way Domestic pigs do if domestic pigs start eating if you fall into the pig pen There's a crazy story heard about a kid that raised a hog that went it just one day turned on him Like he's raised it his entire life. It was like his pet like my dog is Everywhere with him, and then one day he said he tripped in the pen and it just attacked him and almost killed him Oh my I forget it was a crazy story I forget even where I saw but it's just popping in my head now like oh horrible way to die, bro Could you imagine getting eaten alive by a pig no no?

We but wouldn't we have a it coming how much bacon have you eaten a lot I've eaten a lot of bacon a lot of bacon I love this is where the vegans get really boy I'm gonna get a lot of cute pig fucking pictures vegans need to hear that lettuce scream they should hear it scream it screams screams lettuce screams yeah all of its screams Avocados scream his best friend was a 250 pound warthog. Oh, it's a warthog Oh, well, it's an African animal. It's a different animal. I Don't think that's I mean, I think that's like a distant cousin to a pig they look different They're crazy looking you ever see the war warthog no bro. They got like these crazy double tusks

You ever see the war dog no bro. They got like these crazy double tusks dude. Look at it Look at that thing fuck that in that wild yeah, it is tusks. Oh, this is my friend Yeah, that dude is not your friend. He's incapable. That's a wild beast That is so much different than a guy raising a hog like if that guy raised a pig The pig would probably never do that that thing is a wild animal yeah, where was this? It's awesome to be in a place where you could own a wild fucking warthog You're Texas like my wife, and I talk about this all the time. We're never leaving. We're like, this is home. We love it so much, man.

What America aspires to be. Dude, it is written, like people are so mad at us and people bitch about it and make fun, but it's like, man, I love it here so much and I like the heat. And like, weirdly, all of us are like, we're like getting healthy, man. Like, it's this, in all the years of the Comedy Store,

lots of changes happen among the comics. Like the time, I hope I can talk about this. I think I can, he talks about it. Like remember, like he does talk about, Bobby Lee talks about it publicly. Like the time Bobby Lee was like on pills. And so he would bring all these pills to the Comedy Store and we all knew it and so he was like a

pharmacist so like like Joey Joey watching like grab a handful of just unknown Mexican fucking pharmaceuticals this is pre-fetinal dog yeah you could do those things back then. Dude and and and so that that was I would call that a dark phase in the comedy store because all of us were on Bobby Lee's fucking Mexican Viking. It was a bad phase. So so but I don't think I've ever seen a phase where like at a comedy club the comics are getting healthier. You know, that's a crazy thing to watch. And I think, you know, it's not just us hanging out.

When I first came to Texas, and I'm not saying everyone here is healthier, any kind of bullshit like that, but you look around and like, these people are fucking healthy. Like there's a lot of healthy, like, you know what I mean? Like, like tough fucking people.

And I just- A lot of people who exercise, yeah. Yeah. Just go to the lake, watch people run around the lake. Dude, in the, like, in the middle of a heat wave, before I was exercising, one of the most humiliating things was just to be driving down the street and you look over,

and there's someone my age, it's 104 degrees, and they're fucking jogging. And you know what I mean? Like, what's your excuse again? Oh, you're tired. Are you sleepy is a little too fucking hot because there's a fucking 55 year old There's a 55 year old just galloping down the burning fucking Sidewalk. Yeah, so yeah, dude. This place is like walk run is a different kind of hot too because you're getting that heat

Radiating off of the concrete into your face. You know Lex Friedman does that shit? Oh yeah, he's a psycho. He fucking runs, like when I did his podcast, he's like, I'm going jogging. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, this was in my early Texas face, so I was already like, I walked from my car to his place

and was already like, Jesus fucking Christ. Ha ha ha ha. Walking. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to go jog 10 miles. I'm like, what the fuck are you, man? In this heat. Yeah, dude. Yeah.

So I think it's important to be around like, I think that's another aspect of Texas that gets left out, is like, there's this real like strength, healthy thing here that is contagious whereas like when you're in a place where everyone's all fucking sick and frail and weak and like you know what I mean scared of disease like trembling in their fucking boots that's contagious too it is jumps into you man it 100% does and I always wonder like how much of you know, how much of an area has

The memory of all the things that have happened in that area in it and like whereas Texas is The last state to enter into the Union. They've always been like hang the fuck back. Hold on You know, we had to get through the Comanche to establish this fucking place. Like, settle down. The, you know, Texas Rangers had to go out there in cold camp and go and try to assassinate these bands of fucking killers riding horses that were just fucking up the Americans. Like, they couldn't pass.

They couldn't pass. They couldn't get through. This was the spot where it was like, this place was fucked. And until they conquered it, it stayed fucked. And then they did, and now it's's the whole place has a memory of that. There's a thing about the attitude of this place. But it's not what people think. People think they're assholes.

They are the nicest, friendliest people. People think they're stupid. They are some brilliant people that I've met that live out here. Brilliant, normal people. One of my neighbors was a Texas Ranger and he is the coolest guy and you know, he's an older guy now. He's retired but and he's still intimidating and yeah man like he like he like he like, he's so fucking cool man. And like, and he, I'm trying not to give away too, respecting his privacy, he, every once in a while in the neighborhood,

we would hear this boom! Sounds like a generator exploding. And like, it's his cannon. He's got like a little fucking cannon, and like, he likes my- He shoots a cannon in his yard Oh, it's a little but like he's so So what's he shooting at?

Well, he doesn't put cannonballs in it. There's a way to do it So like my kid like one day pulls up in front of my house with a truck It's like one of my kids burt like it just had a birthday and he's like Do they want to see the cannon? I'm like, yeah, I do, I know I do. And so like, it was like the coolest thing ever, man. He takes this fucking cannon, little cannon, I'm looking at it. I'm like, that can't be loud. You know what I mean? He takes this little cannon, he does some crazy like pirate shit with it that I still don't understand. He's like,

knows how to operate a cannon. Boom! My kids were like holy shit my neighbors ran into the yard because they thought something had happened. Well Duncan you've shot guns before. Yeah. Think about how little gun powder is in like a nine millimeter. Right. It's not a lot. It's crazy loud. Right you're right. It's just contained by that barrel. Yeah, right, and a cannon is just... Shooting out that gas and that bullet, but it's basically like a little cannon,

it's kind of the same thing. Well, it totally made me, like, you know, gave me a new picture of like cannon battles on ships. Bro, imagine how loud that was. I mean, imagine how loud that was. I mean, imagine how loud that was. Like, real cannons? Yeah, dude. Like, I've been to a football game when they shoot off a cannon.

But I don't know if that was like a real cannon, cannon. You know, like it- Probably. Probably. Like, the UNLV? What do they use? I mean, not UNLV, um... Yeah. UNLV. I blame the weed um dude the like the UT one do they have

That's it Hey guys Recreate an earlier cannon guys Fucking pirate cannon yeah Which side bro says it fires four shotgun shells after every time that's crazy Oh, so that's what it does tells shotgun shells and gauge blank shotgun shells, okay, okay? So I guess that's probably not the sound of an actual cannon look at that Look at that crazy. That's a happy cannon man. Yee-haw. It's really loud, but the point is a

Wonder like to shoot a cannon ball like at a ship back then like how much gunpowder they use and how fucking loud was that? And how deaf were those motherfuckers the dudes who had to work the cannons deaf deaf is fuck Yeah, Jeff is fuck dude, and how much brain damage you get just standing next that they boom or the recalling off Yeah, the recoil if you don't get out of the way it will rip your leg off Yeah, that thing is flying back right didn't they have them on tracks? Yeah, man, yeah, they it will like um so it doesn't rip out of the fucking floor didn't they have like cannons on tracks? I just saw this. Did I make that up? That's probably how they just moved them No, I thought they were on tracks like so that when they shot they would slide back and not rip the floor apart I just saw that John Adams doc on Netflix. I think it's on Netflix

I don't know what's that what it's on, but there was like a cannon battle in a ship and like yeah I do just gets his fucking leg ripped off cuz it like back it like goes back into it I it's dude isn't it crazy that that seems crazy to us But like how many people died in cannon battles as opposed to like when Israel bombs? Gaza do how many people are like a bomb? Which we do right now it seems so much more brutal than cannon battles like cannon battle seem like really ineffective It's probably they probably sucked yeah, how far did that cannonball go like how good were they judging it? Here we go what a cannon is like

judging it here we go what a cannon is like damn yeah see how it slides back it's on wheels yep and then there's a rope that catches it yeah dude what imagine life back then and they thought that was the shit that was like a fucking iPhone 16 bro I got a cannon yeah you know we used to be able to used to have to go up to the boat jump in hack everybody did that light it on fire Now think it you shoot it from over here Incredible you don't even have to jump on the boat Amazing yes. Yeah, man. I'll tell you though with all the shit that's going on right now. I Know everyone's freaked out, but the reason I'm hopeful is not because of like the

bombings and the deaths, obviously, it's the outcry. Like, like when in history has there been this level of outcry? Like, no! What are you doing? Stop! Like, to me, like, that's the sign that human consciousness is, like, evolving to value life in a way that maybe we didn't value before. Because, like, there have been infinite wars. And, like, including, like, the—how many people did we fucking bomb? How many people—how many civilians did we fucking kill when we were fucking bombing? Iraq how many no, I there's a it's a lot right? Well, they don't know like the full number You you get two different people's numbers, but they think that it's somewhere in the neighborhood of a million people died Right. So so in that is that is that correct?

Is that I think it's also like deaths that they attribute to things that happened because of the war. But I think it led to a million innocent deaths, or somewhere in that range. Dude... I think that was a high end. But, and then there was an outcry over that war, but like... Not the same as this. But, yeah, but... Right? If you think about the numbers, like...

Yeah. I think it's also the access that we have now to cell phone footage And how good it is and how quickly it gets posted. That's Relatively recently, you know, yeah, like that's the real abilities of these phones like to make videos like they do now How long has that been going on? You're right ten years. You're right, you know 100,000 You're right. Ten years? You're right. You know? Hundred thousand? Including civilians? Sixty-six thousand civilians. Two hundred and ten thousand, two hundred and ninety-six civilian deaths from violence.

Hundred and nine thousand deaths including sixty-six thousand eighty-one civilian. That's weird. I don't understand what they're saying there what's that it just pulled that section from the middle of this whole thing civilian deaths from violence does that mean war like what does that mean so that's civilians that were killed entirely by war or is that civilian to die just from violence? Well any kind of violence? Yeah, like stabbing your neighbor, but this is like Carlin does jokes about this. This is what's really insidious about this shit. It's like It's war. Yeah, say it's fucking war. It's like it's like the violence. It's Violence is related to war so don't say from violence say from fucking war because that's what war does and

You know, it's really crazy looking at Dead human numbers go put that back up, please when you're looking at the number 210,000 296 civilian deaths from violence when you look at at that number, you just, it's so two-dimensional. You don't get an understanding of how insanely evil that number really is. 210,296 people that didn't have to die. How many memories?

That died because someone wanted to do something and got a group of people to go and do their bidding and they all were authorized to shoot people. Yeah man. This is a crazy thing that we still do as human beings and the problem is I don't see a way out of it because terrorists are real, criminals are real, bad people are real, this is the world we're living in. Unless, you take mushrooms. We gotta get mushrooms legal for the entire country, the whole country, and just force them down everybody's throat. Force people to do mushrooms. Do it for everyone else.

That's our robots. Do it for everyone else. Our robot fucking, like a bird, it just pokes its fucking thing in your mouth and spray psilocybin in there can you imagine if AI forced us all to take psilocybin oh what a horrible day that would be but you imagine like that was AI solution AI was like human beings actually they developed their consciousness through this sort of relationship that they had

with cubensis mushrooms Yeah This is the facts and this is how we know and this is why the doubling of the human brain size is such an anomaly And it aligns with the Terrence McKenna's theories about how the grasslands receded You know, it's an upgrade the rainforest receded into grasslands and people started eating cow shit bugs and cow shit mushrooms and then they started thinking about things different. Oh my God. Imagine if the AI tells us that's how it would.

So you just need to keep going, is what the AI would say. Yeah. You guys like quit. Like, you know, you got your purple belt and you like, try to get an injury and you backed out. Go deeper. Go deeper. You need to go a little deeper. Little deeper. Little bit.

And if AI just like tells people tells people this is what you really should be taking, imagine if instead of mushrooms, especially psilocybin, instead of it being something that terrifies people and that makes people think, oh my god, you take it, you're going to lose your mind. You take it, you're going to be a fucking loser. Imagine if it was actually scientifically proven that it does make you smarter and it makes you more effective at being a person and that these are the right doses.

Imagine if AI just starts spitting out doses in order to gain this percentage of increase in cognitive ability. Fucking best. You can get this percentage of increase in empathy at this dose for this many days and it just starts like re-engineering human beings through psilocybin. You know one of the things Ram Dass said which I love is when they would ask him things like how did this happen to you? How did you get to be this benevolent thing that is radiating love all the time, which he was, he goes, I trusted the mushroom. And he meant it, dude. Cause I don't know that we get our Amdas without psilocybin.

Cause there's a beautiful famous story of him hanging out with Tim Leary and some other luminaries and they had synthetic psilocybin. And that was pretty much the the real beginning of his like path. And like, you know, sometimes I'm a little skeptical about this concept because I worry that, because I've met people who are really into psychedelics who are like, somehow it went the opposite direction. They're really kind of egoic. They're into the dosage, and how many times... They're very guru-like.

They become guru. You know, and by the way, guru isn't always bad. Not always. But they become narcissistic, they become power gurus, more like sorcerers. Cult leaders. Cult leaders. And so, yeah, so like, I worry that, you know, because everyone's like, what if we just gave Putin

a shit ton of mushrooms? It's like, well, it's gonna go one of two ways. Like, it's gonna be like where he just like, oh my fucking God, oh my fucking God. I thought I was Russian? I'm an Earthling, what the fuck was I thinking? This is, I was conditioned, this is is brainwashing I got brainwashed by culture and and and I it's over guys no more of this shit I retire I'm moving to fucking Hawaii

whatever but like the or it goes the other way which is like oh God wants me to fire nuclear missiles God wants me to fire nuclear missiles. You know what I mean? You know, we don't know. Roll the dice. Right. Roll the dice. So yeah, but I do think if we're looking at like massive, like instantaneous shifts in planetary consciousness,

psychedelics, definitely one of the ways. Like if you were to the brotherhood of Eternal Love No, but I Don't like the way it sounds I think you'd like them Just the name it's like that sounds like the bad people in some really corny movie does Brotherhood of Eternal Love the Brotherhood of Eternal Love speaking of which I saw a really good movie last night. What? What it is? I think it's called late night with the devil It's about it's a 2024 movie about a talk show host in 1977 that has this girl come on the show and it's like really done like like it looks like you're in 1977

Okay, and the girls possessed and it like it builds man, dude. It's so fucking good. Have you seen this? Yes, oh you loved it right? I loved it. It's great. It's so good night with the devil official It's I mean, I think it just came out a couple months ago I must have just went straight to being streamed, but it's fucking good, man And that's good casting dude all of it like that the host is so much like And that's good casting, dude. All of it, like, that, the host is so much like that level talk show host from that time period. And it's scary.

And it's fucking good. Yeah, it's solid. Highly recommend. Yeah, it was solid. It was really solid. Solid, dude. And dude, you know what I just saw? And I was super skeptical about this one.

But it's not bad. The Pope's Exorcist. Have you seen that? Really? Dude, I know. I had the same thinking. My brother-in-law, who's got really good taste in movies, he's like, it's actually not that bad.

It's a little cheesy. It's fucking good, dude. Really? Yes, it's very good. But stupid, but good. You know what I mean? This is the Pope's Exorcist? Yeah. Really? Yes, it's very good. And like, but stupid, but good. You know what I mean? Like... This is the Pope's exorcist?

Yeah. And I usually don't get into... Russell Crowe, I don't get into exorcist movies usually. Why do they all fucking turn their head like that? But what's interesting is this guy, the Pope has an exorcist, and he wrote a bunch of fucking books. And so it's kind of drawing from like stories of this guy doing exorcisms. And it's fascinating, man. It's really interesting. It would be the greatest deception ever if demonic possession was real and we were all mocking it. And then one day you saw it.

You actually saw it. You're like, oh no, it's real dude I think it is real like Like you I think we've just come up with new words for it But have you ever had this happen? I'm gonna get made fun of this Have you ever had this happen like if you ever been like super high you're walking down the street You pass somebody having a psychotic episode and they start saying what you're walking down the street, you pass somebody having a psychotic episode, and they start saying what you're thinking. Have you ever had that happen? No. I have. Really? Yeah. What were you thinking though? I'm hot. I feel

crazy. I was thinking, I feel crazy. I feel crazy! I'm like, oh my God, he knows, he can read my mind. I'm too high right now! He can read my mind. No, it was like, no, he was like, kind of like, he was like garbling out like shit. I think I was thinking about like, I mean, obviously any of this stuff, it's not scientific, obviously it's not scientific.

Wait a minute, you're not a scientist? I am a scientist, I am actually, yeah, I am a fucking scientist. I study rainbows. I study the power of rainbows to heal animals. I forget who posted it up, but there's some video of all these college kids talking about, it went viral, all these college kids talking

about what their degree was in. And all these woke kids with these ridiculous their degree was in and these all these woke kids with these ridiculous degrees like what they studied. Yeah man, dude very expensive to get those fucking degrees. It is a hilarious video because it's like how does anybody not see that that is a massive waste of your time? Like what have you done? You have been tricked. You have been tricked into getting a degree in nonsense dude and Dad write papers in nonsense and books on nonsense, but yeah aside from that You know what you've really been tricked into you've become a fucking vassal of the banks like you are

eternally Indebted to the structures that you are opposing. It's like oh, oh, what's your oh, so you? Spent how much again like a hundred and eighty thousand dollars to get to major and like communist studies Great, okay You're late on your Mean not only that it's the ultimate mafia group like they they want your money No matter what even if Social Security fuck you pay me. They're the ultimate fuck you pay me people fuck you pay me You can't the apparently we said we talked about this before but apparently there are certain circumstances under which

There's a certain type of bankruptcy that allow you to evade that but I wonder what that is. It's suicide Yeah, I remember us talking about it I don't understand it either dude this is like man Well, we've definitely talked about this before but rest in peace David Graber wrote a great book called bullshit jobs brilliant mind man brilliant mind, man. Brilliant mind. But he basically talks about how like, so ideas, I'm going to go to college. Oh, discharge. No problem, man. Discharge and bankruptcy.

If you declare bankruptcy and then the bankruptcy court determines repaying your loans would cause undue hardship, your loans can be discharged. How many times does that happen? Zero? It's like, your loans can be discharged. How many times does that happen? Zero? It's like, yeah, it's legal as long as the judge decides. I'm sorry, but repaying your loans always produces undue fucking hardship.

It sucks to pay back loans. It sucks. It always sucks. I want a fucking nice computer. Yeah, how could you define it that way? I want a boat! I want a swimming pool! Yeah.

For example, several types of loans associated with education expenses are dischargable in bankruptcy like most other types of unsecured consumer debt. These types of loans for education expenses are not subject to the more difficult standard and extra step. These loans could include, for example, loans where the loan amount was higher than the cost of the attendance, such as tuition, books, rooms, and board which can occur when a loan is paid directly to a consumer. Loans pay for education. So that means they could

do it, they could forgive you if the loan amount was higher than the cost of attendance? Is that what it's saying? Or is it saying it's gonna pay you the difference? Like you could deduct the difference when you get a bankruptcy. Loans to pay for education at places that are not eligible for title for funding include unaccredited colleges, a school in a foreign country. So so much for your wizard university Duncan. Yeah you can't go bankrupt with your wizard degree. You still have to pay it. Are you fucking kidding me? I'm up to my neck in debt for this shit. It says you have to pay it.

And also, it's like... It's unaccredited, Duncan. But the rainbow thing, it's like something's changed in the Earth's atmosphere because it's not healing anymore. It's an unaccredited wizard school. You know you went cheap, and now you're fucked well I'm sorry Joe not everybody was born a billionaire like you I know you weren't I'm joking I I don't think that that wizard stuff is good anyway I think it's you think you're you're toying with the devil. Oh, just like that late-night show

I'm bad a little bald guy okay. I was like in the show. That's me. Okay. Where I'm like, hey, you're messing with something. Can I ask you something? Yes. Where did the devil come from? That's a good question. Did God make the devil?

What a mean trick. Right. Imagine, imagine, do you need the devil? Do you need, is it symbolic of what we need in this life? Like, do we need to see what's happening in Palestine in order to reassess the way we behave as a civilization? Do we need crime to get out of hand before we realize that law and order is important and that we really need to like figure out a way to stop crime at its root source? This is disenfranchised people. Do we really need to like figure out a way to stop crime at its root source Was this disenfranchised people do we really need something like maybe that's the only way we learn

That's maybe there's like you know like lottery winners. They don't do well, dude They don't do well because they didn't learn right they just got all this money like wow and then they're doing blow They're on a fucking dot and yeah, it's gone That's gone, and now you're mad and everybody's mad at you Yeah, invest in the business with your uncle. Yeah, and everybody's pissed at you. So you're asking do we need the devil? I wonder if you need a bad and a good I wonder if you need something I wonder if you need to see 200 plus thousand dead people and just have that number in your head and just try to picture what that looks like

I wonder if we need that. Resistance. In order to realize, yes, yes, that there's like, you don't grow without resistance. This is, we're thinking of it as just playing this is life, but we're in the middle of a process. Yeah. We're in the middle of a process. Everyone understands this and no one thinks about it.

We are in the middle of this intellectually evolutionary process. And there's something... that's funny that I said those two words in such a goofy way. Intellectually evolution. But there's a thing going on where we're assuming that civilization is going to be better all the time and we're always going to get better all the time which is really interesting because no other animal does that there's not another animal alive that says we only killed you know 47 zebras this year next year we're fucking cranking it up we're gonna be better and more efficient yeah we want to be better at everything we want to be better at our industry, we wanna be better at fixing our infrastructure, we

wanna be better at housing, we wanna be better all the time. Like there's this constant push for progress. And if you just step back and look at where it's going with this train wreck of AI happening at the same time that's going on, it's like, oh, we were fueling this! We were fueling the takeover. We were buying iPhones. Dude, I think this is so funny you're mentioning this because honestly, it's so embarrassing. This is so dumb. I don't care. I'm wearing a robot outfit. At the gym yesterday, I'm working out and I've started listening to classic gospel music.

It is so good. If you're having a shitty day, it doesn't matter if you're not Christian, just fucking listen to it. It's so upbeat and like, it makes you happy and it's kind of magical. But like, so I'm at the gym and I'm thinking about Jesus because I've been listening to gospel music and like, I was thinking like, oh, oh, like maybe the idea as far as like the devil goes, because I always wonder that. Who made the devil? Why did God make the devil? Why is there a devil? Is there a devil? Is it just a fucking symbol for something? But I realized like,

oh, like, you know that stupid song, if you love somebody, set them free. So it's like the idea being, I'm setting, I'm making you, you're sentient, and I'm setting you free. And I'm setting you free in a fucking universe where there are, there's collectivized evil, there's some kind of like, like somatics, there's some kind of thing that forms,

which will fuck you up. And because I love you, I'm going to let you figure it out. And then from that perspective, and also if there is some super intelligence, and somehow in the universe there's a bifurcation or something that's centered on the self instead of others that has an intelligence to it to really like fucking flex to that thing. You're like, okay, I'm just going to give you these things that I love so much. And if you win, if you corrupt my creation fully, then you win. I was wrong, but I don't think you are. I don't think it's gonna happen

because inevitably, whatever it is, you take a psychedelic, for me whenever I take psychedelics, too many, right away I start thinking about how selfish I am. I start thinking like, dude, like it hurts. It hurts to be jealous. It hurts to not help. It hurts to be so cherishing of myself. And anytime I'm not doing that, I'm so happy. Like, so, but to, to, to force that out, you can't force that onto somebody. They have to stumble upon it somehow.

And there's like, that's Christianity. That's- They don't get it unless they feel it. that onto somebody, they have to stumble upon it somehow. And there's like, that's Christianity. That's- They don't get it unless they feel it. That's it. And so, like, to let these things that theoretically I'm talking about from Christian cosmology that you love more than anything else, to fuck it, which by the way, like in the Garden of Eden story, when God is crying, like, God says something like, where are you? To Adam and Eve. And apparently the original translation, that crying out is the way of, like, you know, have you ever lost your kid at a playground? It's that. It's not like, where are you? Slaves! It's like when you're calling for your

kids. So, yeah, it's heavy, man. And so, like so like so yeah, I feel like that Maybe the whole thing is designed for us individually to stumble upon that that basic truth that Underneath the shell is love and the love wants to express itself and love doesn't express itself by saying me me me me me me me Love is always like I love you. What can I do for you? Let me help you to express itself, and love doesn't express itself by saying, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. Love is always like, I love you. What can I do for you? Let me help you. It's like the person swimming into the lake for no reason to get that last person who fucking was in a car accident, and they drown. You know, they get the person to safety, they die. This is, to me, I think,

that's the devil. That's why it's there. It might be real. I think as a term of convenience, it's great. But it's like, holy shit, man. Like, as an inclination, it's real, right? Like whether or not you murder a baby because the devil made you do it or because some other force that is just like the devil, that just happens to be a part of human beings. Yeah in Violent rages they could do horrific things and then on top of that also Intentionally evil just like chimpanzees. Yeah, I mean chimpanzees do it Do we think the devil's invading the chimps when they're doing it or do we think that this is some bygone?

Some leftover shit that's in our DNA that can go sideways and allow people to become serial killers Do people to become assassins? I think it's a semantics argument. I think it's like it's an identification of a possibility In a human life there is a possibility in a human life to make a series of shitty decisions and those shitty decisions Lead you into darker and darker and darker experiences of reality and the darker your experience of reality The more likely you are to make a shitty decision because like you've gotten yourself into fucking debt. You went to wizard school. You've got you You study fucking rainbow magic. It doesn't seem to be real. No one's coming to your clinic now you're like, you know $800,000 and fucking debt and Now what are you gonna fucking do?

Like you got to veer out of the way to make money. So how are you gonna make the fucking money? Well, you find some scam or some shit, right? And then the next thing you know, now you're like lying to people. And now that you're lying to people, you have to keep fucking lying to people. And then you start lying to yourself.

And then you get lost in a maze of self-deception that leads you into lower and lower and lower levels of consciousness. Until the next thing you know, you're in fucking fucking jail or you're dead, you're killing somebody. And so, so like, call it whatever you want to fucking call it, but this entropic reality in human existence is very fucking real. And the message of all the great lineages, whether it's Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, is at any given moment, in that hell state you've gotten yourself into, there is a way to get the fuck out. You don't

have to be in hell. It's like what C.S. Lewis says, the gates of hell are locked from the inside. There's a fucking way out. It's so good, dude. It's so good. It's so good It's so good That's such a good one And that's why I love Jesus, that's why I love the message of Christianity Why don't you look into Jesus Praise God You've heard that song right? That song is fucking great

It shows up on my gospel playlist Isn't it weird that that guy, that was it? That was like, that was his song It's just like this one song that was a banger but you listen to the rest of them and you're like, mmmmm. I know that sucks. Oh god man. That's the worst. There's a few of those guys that we've heard. You know Johnny Thunder? You know that song I'm Alive? No. Bro I played that song for so many fucking people including musicians you know. I played it for Zach Bryan and he was like, oh Like you hear it people like god damn and it's from 1969 one-hit wonder dude I don't even think it was a hit there was another version of it that that his version of I'm alive was a cover of and

It was better than the original version and it was so good You're like if this guy can make this song somebody needs to write for him man. This guy's a star This guy's got bangers. I mean this was a fucking tremendous song and it was just one dude I know it's like that's got that just is like it's got to be so scary man Like oh, yeah, you know when you make a great movie, and then you got to make your next movie Oh, and like it's got to be fucking good like say you make that movie. What's it called Deus Ex Machina? You know that movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you're like you're I gotta make another movie, and then you're like Civil War and oh fuck That is the guy right

Sorry! Oh, that's the, that is the guy, right? Alex Garland. Oh no. Man, I'm sorry Alex Garland. Like, by the way, you're brilliant. Like, I get it. Like, the attempt, I get it. Who knows?

You never know what happened in the process. And like, man, I feel, like, now that this is so, now I've started doing video, and I'm recognizing just like how hard it is just to like get the lighting right for my dumbass sitting there rambling Like anyone who makes a fucking movie is a genius fucking wizard So I do fit in all the people that come together some of them just don't work out the way they want They just don't work out. They just don't work out. That's how it is like like pilots for TV shows It's for sketches that people create. Yeah. Yeah, you know, but like, like, I think doing a video podcast and then critiquing a great director is pretty fucked up, man.

I just, I don't mean, I just, and a lot of people like the movie, but um. You're trying to dig yourself out. I just feel bad! I feel, I feel bad! Like, no, I, I, but god damn it was horrible. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH was so bad. That's hilarious. It was so bad. Yeah. Oh my god, it's funny. Yeah, I'm glad I didn't see it. No, you you you you you're lucky to've been watching the gentleman on Netflix. Now, what's that? Oh It's a Guy Ritchie series on Netflix. It's fucking Amazing. What is it? It's about these weed growers in

In the UK cool. It's I don't want to give away any more of it But it's basically the movie the gentleman I don't know if you ever saw the movie But this is the the same world that the movie takes place in just with different characters. Cool. It's fucking great, man. It's great show.

I think it has like six episodes or how many episodes does it have? Eight? There's some good movies coming out right now, man. It's kind of awesome. We went through like a pretty rough cinema drought. I don't know. Do you remember?

COVID. I mean, you got to think about how many movies get, they get drawn up. They get funded. COVID hits. Everything gets shut down. Everything gets shut down. And then everybody loses money.

No one's going to the movies anymore. Everything's fucked. Yeah, that was sad. So you have to wait for forever before things get back on track. Things start getting profitable again, and then they start making Dune 2. Oh, god. That was so fucking good. I haven't seen it, but profitable again, and they start making dune 2 They start making movies like that they start making banger movies again, dude

Dune 2 is so fucking good. I watched it with a song and dude I was like, you know that like you get bliss and movies are so good and you're the You get bliss and movies are so good and you're the right amount of stoned. And like you realize like, oh my God, it's only been 30 fucking minutes and this is already the most insanely beautiful thing I've ever seen in my fucking life, the soundtrack. When you look up how they made the soundtrack for that movie, it is insane, man.

Everything about it is like, they had throat singing in it. They've got like that. Really? It's so cool, dude. Did you read the books? No. The books are so good.

The first one, honestly, the second one, I struggle with, but the first one is. Wait a minute, Whit book? Dune. No, I didn't read that. Frank Herbert, it's one of the best sci-fi books ever. I didn't read that Frank Herbert. It's one of the no I think I've read I Think I read one of those Did they they make him into like comic books like really nice comic probably did they?

But you you can't I never got into the first one the first movie so when the second one came around I was like Oh, dude, you keep hearing it's amazing second one's better than the first and the first is great if you're like a dune nerd, which I am but like you're a dune Oh, I'm a dune nerd. I've been reading that book since Dude the spice melange and like but the way he's first of all Frank Herbert Wasn't my colleges the guy wrote dune. Did you know that he's like a really respect Stamets talks about it like yeah Duncan this is what gonna happen when Trump wins Robert De Niro is right Robert De Niro is right. Robert De Niro is right, Duncan. Do you want to line up and lose all your rights and he never leaves the White House and you have throat singing

on the Capitol Hill steps? Throat singing? Bro, you made it so funny. I was like, dude, that sounds awesome. Make a milk of greener, get a milk of, Mac, everybody sneaks in, gets a gun. Graces in the morning, graces in the morning. Sneak in, we'll give you money. Sneak in, sneak in, vote for us. Dude, yeah, so like, there's all these theories about Dune. But the blue eyes, so you eat this spice melange

that like, that you eat this spice melange that you need it for space travel. It's only produced on, you know the story, but like the blue eyes. So there's a theory, because Frank Herbert was a mycologist. The blue eyes represent psilocybin. And like that was his melange, his psilocybin. And like, yeah, dude.

And he apparently, I think it's Sam Fran, he was living on a boat next to Alan Watts. Oh, what a coincidence. They were fucking friends. So a lot of the, like, you remember the gum jibar, the needle that that witch puts to Paul Atreides neck to say like, they wanna find out if you're human, so you put your hand

in this box that if you pull your fucking hand out of the box, she stabs you with this needle, it kills you, because you're not human, who gives a fuck? And so, Gom Jabbar, Gom, in Tibetan Buddhism, is the name for meditation. So there's all these, like, clearly he was pals with Alan Watts and he like like weaves a lot of like a lot of the language in it is Like the the the daughter in the womb I think her name is Aliyah, which is like a Buddhist term for like the emptiness for a state of pure consciousness And so it's a deep book is my point and you know, you would love it and it inspired Star Wars, right? Didn't we just talk about this? We did right? love it and it inspired Star Wars right didn't we just talk about this we did right they came from the same thing I think what do you mean Dune and Star

Wars came from the same place like they both were inspired by the same thing I asked that question out loud I thought I thought we talked about it the other day did we not talk about it on the podcast okay we did right but I think it was started Dune came before Star Wars and then Star Wars was written by different people. I don't know I think Dune predates Star Wars for sure. We talked about it the other day. What is the whole story though? What were you trying to say? I didn't understand what you're saying. I had asked that out loud. I said isn't Dune just Star Wars? It's a Dune ripoff. And then I dug into it

and it says that they both, sorry, both creators took similarities and inspiration from the same original source. I think it's... But what's the original source? I'm trying to read as I'm talking. Oh, oh. So there's something else. There was an original story like that? I'm sorry. It's like a short story or something like that, maybe.

Dune is influenced probably... It's like the greatest sci-fi book if you ask me and it's influenced all sci-fi It's so fucking good, dude. And did you see David Lynch's dune? No. Oh, man You gotta watch sting is in David Lynch's dune and like I did see it That was the old the original one right the Lynch one was the original. Yeah Yeah, and I didn't get into it. No, well it was massively criticized because there have been attempts to do Dune. This famous guy, Jodorowsky,

there's a whole documentary on his idea for Dune. David Lynch takes on the project. And where the Dune we have now succeeds, where he failed, is they broke the book into two movies. Every sci-fi property you love is based on Foundation. Interesting. Isaac Asimov's Foundation series is widely understood to be the inspiration for Star Wars, Dune, and even the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Wow. You know, one of the things about the new Dune is the people look grimy. They look like they're really in that world. There was a thing about those old dunes that I couldn't get into, because everybody looked too clean. Everybody looked like they just stepped right out of wardrobe. I just didn't, you know what I'm saying? Like you see that when the guy's throat singing

and those people are walking down and putting, everybody's dirty. They're grimy. That's a, you're living a crazy dirty. Yeah, it's cool. They're grimy. That's a yeah You live in a crazy fucked up hard-ass life. Yeah. Yeah and and like in the book he like what they even in the newest one I don't think they convey like he writes about the smell in those stitches in the underground like In the caves that the Fremen are living and he talks about the smell of the Bo and they're like just all of these people living underground and the stink of that. But, dude, did you see that video of David Lynch eating this girl's panties?

Um, what? No. For real? Yeah. Yeah. How's he doing that? Jamie? Do you want one of these? You want a Lucy? Yeah, let me spit this thing out.

Renegade rogue. Thank you. Hey, do you know the Zen-spiracy? Do you know about this? We're all being accused of secretly being sponsored by Zen. Yeah, this is the funniest shit. Okay, watch this. This is crazy. Okay, this would be being dedicated to death Do you see real is that not real? That's AI bro. God damn it. I'm I don't know ma'am. You're looking forward to this When did when was it posted? There I did see multiple videos or versions of the video too, it just looked like his mouth was moving weird I mean, I hope it's real. Thank you very much. They're still warm Okay now

They're very warm as a matter of fact cinnamon Okay, and now The deal is I'm going to put these panties in my mouth Wmm's full username. Are you ready? He's a genius. What the fuck, dude. I love him. Countdown. down

Okay, that that's probably one of them frequencies that called the devil like that sound That's probably what the devil responds to if you have a mouthful of panties you try to read anything the devil's like I got you That's a song There's a sound that you make like a sound you make with a mouthful of panties Imagine it was just demons just summon and they're like we were waiting for you to open the portal Like you have to make that sound like the only way to make that sound to be such a depraved fuck Do you have someone's panties stuffed in your mouth? May I stop you there? I don't think it's depraved to shove a beautiful woman's panties either But the devil thinks that it is and God thinks it is.

So if they agree, like this is an opportunity to go after him. Look, this guy's out there eating people's underwear. He's not going to solve the world's problems. He's so crazy, he's eating underwear. Why does everybody want to solve the world's problems? Let's shove panties. We're all in this together, Duncan. I want to eat panties.

We are on the production line for AI and you're not doing your part Dude, I listen if there is a Satan he doesn't want us to put panties in our mouth That's the that's what the devil would really be the devil would really be Anti-panties in mouth and like be like don't ever want you on Adderall and he'd want you working 24 hours a day Exactly. Yeah Exactly. The devil doesn't want us the devil hates David Lynch if there is a devil He doesn't like David Lynch right cuz he's having fun Stuff and warm panties in his mouth. Yeah Back when it was legal

Fucking develop laws for panty eating? Like enough! We've summoned too many demons! People just realize that all you have to do is hold hands with mouthfuls of panties and if the two of you are talking at the same time you could summon a super demon. Dude like it is kind of, I mean like that wasn't like a dainty panty. No he stuffed a real panty in there That wasn't a g-string that was a like a little bit of a back to it like and then to still be able to talk

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Percentage I don't give a fuck what your study says you only get 100% of the people that are on your survey are so fucking dumb that they reply to surveys. Yes. This is not everybody. It's not even close. It's just like comments. Who the fuck leaves comments?

How do you have time? I think about that all the time. Unless you're like, good job, congratulations, be nice. Who has time? Yeah. If you do, there's no chance you're devoting the proper amount of time to things in your life that you shouldn't. Right. So it's this massive distraction and you get these arguments online that distract you from the failures in your real life. But that is representative in a lot of people's minds to how people think about whatever this person posted or whether this political argument that people are having about things.

But that's not real. And then you've got the algorithm manipulation we were talking about, which is even more crazy. Right. Now not only do you have the most complaining fucking people complaining, but you have the algorithm showing things that are going piss you off, like, look at this fucking, and the phone's gonna know that you took a screenshot of the comment

and you sent it to me, and I'm like, wow, what a dick. And I'll send it to other people. I'll send people a link, look at this moron. He's talking to people in the comments. That's it. And that's what happens. Yep, and that's a storm, that's like a, that's a neurological hurricane sweeping through brains around the planet amygdala is fucking squirting

cortisol anger teams Fucking getting ready to do battle for fucking what yeah do for what what are you wagging about? So this is I've heard I don't know if you've heard about this like there's some the kids now I'm 50 so I could say that for sure kids the kids now are apparently there's a whole new thing where they're just they're putting their Phones down there's this whole thing where they're just like fuck this my friend really yes That's what I heard that like um you're dealing with a lot of weird kids though. Well. I'm not dealing with any kids like My friend deal with hippies. They have fucking straw hats on there in the woods barefoot Yeah They have fucking straw hats on they're in the woods barefoot. Yeah Well, but I like I died mushroom shirts on if you think about it

Like what what do kids tend to do like what I did rebel and so like you're so you're like god help you Let's imagine you're raised by like an influencer mom. God help you So your whole childhood has been on camera and if it's not on camera You're looking at your fucking mom staring at the comments of the video she posted of you opening Christmas presents. Or you're just a standard kid, and your childhood is constantly interrupted by your parents staring at their fucking phones.

So you get old enough, you're not gonna associate phones necessarily with good feelings, and then you're like, you know what, fuck these things. This made my parents fucking like distant. It made my parents upset. And they're just like, fuck this, which means there's, by the way, that's scary. If you want to monitor populations. Wow. Right now we're all in fucking Orwell, like some crazy version of 1984, way more sinister than the camera in your house. It's like you're carrying it around, but suddenly these like formerly monitored populations, they just go dark. Because like kids are just like, I'm not going to do this. They're meeting in parks. God help us all.

They're meeting in parks and they're saying things that are untraceable. No one knows what they're talking about. And so now you've got these... Really? Yeah. I like to believe you're correct. This sounds like a movie. This is from a Pew Research survey. Boneless. 72% of US teens say they often and sometimes feel peaceful when they don't have their smartphone. 44% say it makes them feel anxious. Good for hobbies, less so for socialization.

69% of teens say smartphones make it easier for youth to pursue hobbies and interests. True, right? That's a good aspect of it. A few or 30% say it helps people their age learn good social skills. That's true. It doesn't do that, right? Parental snooping, that's a problem. Half of parents said they'd look through their teens phone

You're gonna find a lot of dicks the other half are liars about four in ten parents and teens Regularly arguing with one other about time spent on their phone nearly half of teens 46% say their parent is at least sometimes Distracted by their phone when they're trying to talk to them at what age do you think fellas start sending dick pics? Do you think they wait until it's legal? Would you? I don't think they do. So here's the thing.

Like, you know, there was a girl that was charged with, she was charged with child pornography. I think she was 15 because she was sending naked photos of her body to other boys So like she was the pornography and the pornographer right? That's so fucked up find that story see if you find that story because it was it was like a national outrage story Cuz everybody's like hey, hey, hey, man. She's fucking 15 she's not a child porn producer like this is a Bastard ization of the law like this is just a girl's being silly. That's insane. She's getting a little wild that is that's Terrifying she might have been talked into it like who the fuck knows like what is did she go to jail?

I don't know what the story was story of a 17 year old boy who is charged no no no girls They dropped the charges in this case. Oh, okay, but find the one on the 15 year old girl I'm trying to remember what the the The thing is not the easiest thing to dig through looking for child porn no no no no no no no 15 year old girl Convicted even for child porn you say that you just scared to type it you got to be careful with the words You look for I'll Google it you pussy Google's already like they're taking everything you've ever Googled.

Look, this is what I typed in, and I'm just showing you what popped up. Kid charged with child porn. How about 16-year-old male? I understand. How about Google 15-year-old girl charged with child porn? Girl. Teen girl charged charger child porn.

There it is. Five years ago. That's it. That's the girl. There's another one? There's more than one? Yeah, there was different cases. Oh, revenge porn.

Oh, wait a minute. This is different. This is a 15 year old girl is accused of requesting and sending nude photos to classmates under the identity of her ex-boyfriend. Oh is facing multiple child porn charges. What a demon. She was sending them to classmates under the identity of her ex-boyfriend. Wow how was she doing that? Fucking evil. So she was pretending that she was him and she was sending naked photos of herself to try to charge him for it. Oh, she was trying to nail him.

Dude, she's a monster. Oh, look at this. She told police that she created a fake social account for revenge for the relationship ending with her ex-boyfriend. What a psycho! She also admitted she was jealous that her ex-boyfriend had been chosen to perform a solo in state finals for band. What up? She was the crazy bitch from Bandcamp. Monster!

Remember that movie, One Time in Bandcamp? Yes! Wow! What a psychopath! She's only been on the planet 15 years and she's reached evil That is so crazy imagine trying to set your boyfriend up with child porn. Oh God damn it dude that is kind of was it was it like dr. Phil case same thing I don't know what that story is here. Is that the same gal no, I probably not because they're talking to her look at that

She's got a cover her horns with fucking yeah Wow She was in late night with the devil wow That's so crazy that someone could be that evil at that age yeah Well, so it's such a crazy, but then again you ever see that movie City of God It's the gang movie from Brazil. Oh,. The Favelas. I say it's like one of the wildest gang movies I've ever seen in my life. It's probably the wildest. Yeah. Now that's based on real life in the Favelas in some places. So that's a real, that's people

really living that way. Like you gotta imagine that's just, you just become a sociopath at a very early age. You become a psychopath at a very early age. It's the only way to stay alive. Yep. And then, what did this lady go through? Where she's, she's so conniving. She's gonna set up fake social media accounts and then get her boyfriend accused of child porn?

Yeah. What? Yeah, how distanced are you from like the fact that- How devious. Very fucking devious. How devious. Dude, if you read The Painted Bird. No. Don't, I mean, it's so good, but it's the most,

like, it's like, it doesn't matter if you do spoilers for old books, but like, one of the scenes, this, it's about a kid wandering, like, I think it's World War II, he's lost his parents and he's got to like, and and shove a bottle into her pussy and then stomp on her pussy to break the bottle inside of her. Yeah, dude, that's not even the worst thing in the book. This innocent kid just is witnessing all of it and it's talking about what you're talking about.

It's basically analyzing, it's sort of showing where does evil about. It's like basically analyzed, I think it's sort of like showing like, where does evil come from? You know, are people born evil? Well, statistically, some people are born sociopaths. We know that, but it's a relatively small part of the population. But where does it come from?

And inevitably, it comes from trauma that a kid is enduring, and then you have to survive, just like you're saying. You were programmed to fuck and survive. Right, and it's self-perpetuating. It's gonna continue because they're all gonna see people murdered.

It's like people living in gang-infested neighborhoods in America, same thing. Yeah, it's contagious. If you're seeing it happen all the time and it's affecting all those families, it's gonna just keep rate, the kids are gonna go into it, they see the drug dealer rolls by in the nice car, everybody else is a sucker for getting on the train, and then everybody's in.

And then next thing you know you're dead. And then it just keeps going. And you have kids that are raised without you. And then it's like, whoo! And then what do you do? So then what happens, the reaction to the contagion is you other that person. So now you see like the person in full bloom of evil. And you look at that person, you're like, that's a fucking monster.

But you can't go back and look at their childhood, because if you start going back and looking at their childhood, you're like, Jesus Christ, they're a victim. Right. But you can't think about that. To fully monster-fy somebody, you've you gotta fucking forget how they became the monster. And then this is where you end up with a very non-nuanced system of dealing with the contagion, which will produce more contagion. Like this just spreads the fucking evil all over the fucking place. And I agree with you, man. Like, I don't know the solution. This is where imaginary numbers came up with, you know, in math.

It's like, you don't need to know the solution. Put an X there. It's like, clearly this is a fucking problem. We've got this people who like are horrifically traumatized. And then from they've made shitty decisions, they've gotta commit to being some violent, monstrous, thieving piece of shit and rationalize it and justify it. But this is, if we could fix this problem, and I don't think the way we fix the fucking problem is dropping bombs on people.

You're not fixing the problem like if the answer to Evil is more evil What the fuck it's like a never-ending. It's like scratching poison ivy. It's not gonna go away And it actually makes more like yeah This is the thing that people are talking about this the Israel Hamas thing like how many you know? Who is it that told us about this? The math, the way killing like terrorist math goes? Was it Dave Smith?

Probably Dave Smith. Sounds like some Dave Smith would talk about, but essentially like if one terrorist dies, it doesn't equal, you don't like if one terrorist dies, it doesn't equal You don't like lose a terrorist you gain ten because all the people that he's connected to they all become Radicalized they all want it that you kill their friend. You killed their family member kill their son They all so that you you gain more terrorists, dude it's a it's the worst fucking problem ever man cuz like you know like I Whenever something like no matter how horrific the monster is or how like whatever it is. I try to like

not be afraid to to put myself in the position of Whatever the fucking thing is and in case, we've got two sides that right now seem to be being equally vilified by different groups of people, right? But man, dude, let me tell you something. If my fucking kid got blown up by a fucking bomb, right? That's it.

My logic's out the window. I would like to think that I'd really listened at all the Ram Dass retreats and stuff, and I'd like to think that I would be like to all the Ram Dass retreats and stuff, and I'd like to think that I would be like Gandhi or have some blossom of love and be like, I forgive everyone. I'm afraid that's not gonna happen. I'm gonna wanna hurt.

And then, if my fucking kid got dragged into a fucking tunnel, are you fucking kidding me, man? I'm not gonna see clearly. Like, I'm going to want revenge and I want my kid back and whatever you do to get my fucking kid back okay like have you seen the last of us like so so what were so this fucking like othering of whatever the fucking side is leaving out like what it feels like to love your kid. And look at a mother. It's throughout the animal kingdom.

Don't fuck with a creature's kid. I'm sorry. It will get you fucked up. Even if a thing's smaller than you and you fuck with its kid, it will put itself in front of its kid. So we are looking at a problem of love Sadly, which is like on both sides people love their fucking kids and have been like I can't imagine

How a day goes by when you're fucking kids in a tunnel I can't imagine how a day goes by when you're thinking about how this thing that you fucking love more than anything in the world Got its head fucking blown off in a fucking explosion in a building I don't know how you live one day like that, right? So like when you look at that though, it's hard The entirety of the thing is heartbreaking and irrational Both sides are, it's pure, it's completely irrational because both sides are trying to put out a fire with more fire.

And it's like, dude. That's what it is, what you just said. Yeah, man. That's what it is. Yeah. Put out a fire with more fire. And it, that, we've tried it a million times throughout human history to put out the fire with fucking fire. And at the very best, the fire will temporarily abate,

but then it springs right the fuck back up. And so, and again, like to me, like, I, I don't know the solution. And like, and that's the X. It's like all, but maybe the path to the solution is like, let yourself feel it Entirely for both for the whole fucking thing feel the whole thing, you know And and and like and don't like, you know, and again if you're like these motherfuckers fuck them

Fuck them More fire your fuck them is the same thing causing the wars, right? Well, it's a problem when human beings don't know human beings and they're the enemy. That doesn't make any sense. Regardless of how you think about religion and land. Just stop for a second. Human beings that don't know other human beings and hate them so much they want to kill them. Like seems that's a communication issue. That seems like some Tower of Babel shit. Like that's the only way it makes sense. If we really get to a point, and I don't think it's going to be far from now, where we're

all connected with real time translation in real time, somehow or another. I mean they've already been able to do it with Google. You know, they're already doing it with Samsung phones where they can translate conversations. You can be talking in Italian. I can be talking in English. It'll translate back and forth to both of us. It's wild what they're already able to do. If we can get to some sort of,

I mean, it's not out of the question that if they do develop these neural implants, and there's not just Neuralink, there's several competing companies that are trying to do the same thing because they recognize that once you can actually affect the human mind with Electronics and you can develop this symbiotic relationship with the electronics you could do some

Wild shit and one of the things is you're gonna be able to talk without words You're gonna be able to commit well. Yeah, if you're talking without words What language is that in are you hearing that in, or are you understanding what the person's thinking? So this is the difference. If you're talking without words, the problem is how are we gonna be able to translate all these different languages and dialects? We're not.

We're gonna go on thoughts. We're gonna ditch language. And we're gonna go straight to thoughts. And we're gonna interface with each other in a completely different way. So instead of thinking, you're reading people's minds, hey Duncan, would you like to go get pizza? Yeah dude, are you reading my mind?

No, instead of that, it's like I think your thoughts, you think my thoughts, we think together. So we abandon language. There's no more need for that. That's it. You have AI that deals with mathematical problems and structures and construction of things, and then we just live in a world of thoughts with no language.

We're one thing now. And then we're fucked. Because then you can't go back. You go back, you feel like you're just like walking when you just got out of a car. What the fuck, dude? It took me two hours to get to Vegas in this car. If I walk, it's going to take years. I might die.

This is why I think world peace is possible because it's if you fucking look at what's happening, the system it's like the framework is being built for just what you're talking about. The technological framework for a state, to get into that state you either need to do a lot of psychedelics or a lot of meditation To really realize like you're me i'm you yeah, but the technological framework is forming for this thing to happen which Which is why man like everyone fucking I i'm gonna seem like a musk fanboy in a tesla suit everyone bashing fucking musk It's like dude. Do you understand like what he's?

The bashing fucking musk. It's like, dude, do you understand what that in the future, when people look back on that shit, even if it doesn't work, even if the things are coming unplugged, whatever the fucking thing is, if that leads to what you're talking about, god damn, that's electricity. That's like the end of war. That's the end of the ideological barrier. Imagine whoever you hate the most in the fucking world, boop, put the thing on, you connect to them. This is real. And you just realize, Jesus fucking Christ, I see why they fucking hate me.

And they're like, oh my God, I get why you're mad at me. I didn't mean it like that at all. And then, boom. Well, how about you just completely abandon everything and just consciousness interacting with other consciousness, which makes hate impossible Yeah, because there's no more annoying language. There's no more people that are incapable of communicating the thoughts. There's none of that stuff There's all that gone all that gone Which is like that's the problem of being like a communication bully

Like if you're a person and you know that you have a vastly superior if you if you're a person and you know that you have a vastly superior, if you have a vocabulary like an Eric Weinstein, like for instance, imagine if Eric Weinstein decided to bully someone, you know, like fucking Red Band, you know, who's a brilliant guy, but you know, sometimes he like stumbles on his like you know if fucking Eric Weinstein's yelling at him with a bunch of long words You go hey that guy's being an intellectual bully. Yeah, right? You're not trying to communicate with him as a human being you're trying to dominate him with your superior vocabulary And it's a weapon you can you go and you know my vocabulary was like B plus. It's not that good It's pretty good, but for a guy who talks for a living it probably should be better

Because sometimes I get to words and I'm like that's all right, but I always say it I'm not sure if that's the right word But the point is that like it is a tool that you can wield to For the benefit of your ego. Yeah, rather than just having a conversation and those are the grossest conversations when someone's just jizzing on you Well, I started a business. I sold it at two billion and now I'm like a bro. I gotta go Yeah, you know those those kind of people absolutely that's what that is. That's their abusing communication In order to just it's but if we get to a point Where there's that never happens ever again,

because instantly we just think thoughts. That's it. And you realize, like, why people's thoughts are all fucked up, like, oh my god, the chemicals in your brain, the cortisol, what did your uncle do? What did your fucking neighbor do? What happened to you that got you so crazy? When did you get dad to get out of jail? What did he do before he went to jail?

Like, oh my god, So many people, dude. If that happened by some unknown fucking thing, like that's what the aliens did. That would be it. But it would be like two days of crying. Yeah. Or hugging. Both.

The whole planet would just be like, oh, fuck. The thing is, man, the really fucked up thing is that's possible. You know, I've had moments where dudes where I hated them and they hated me and then we got together and we talked and we hugged and those are beautiful moments. And that's why I refuse to have feuds now. Yeah. As an older man who understands things like I don't care. Like I don't care.

You can you could not like me. That's fine. That's okay. I'm not going to attack you. I don't care I'm not gonna do it publicly I mean I attack CNN, but I felt like that was like a bigger thing that was like this is this is a real problem Like this is not just my ego and which you know if they just attacked me and said I suck my okay You say I suck you're lying about medicine like you're lying about medicine for the whole world

So that I've made a big deal out of those fuckers. Yes, but normally I'm like there's the the benefit of conflict in that regard It's like almost zero benefit all of my conflict. I try to keep internal I don't I don't want to have any conflict with external people. I want to have all my conflict with my own head I want to have all my conflict with my own head. I wanna have all my conflict with discipline, all my conflict with being nice to people and like trying to be a better person all the time and trying to be wiser about my choices, how I describe things and talk about things

and think of things and how I interface with ideas. I just try to be better at it. So I don't have any time. Dude, for all your petty bullshit. There's just too many petty people out there. They're petty. They're petty and they're usually petty because they're all fucked up.

That's right. And it's not going their way like that criticism thing. Dude, it's, and also they, I think I've yapped about this. You know Lojong Mind Training, you ever heard of that? I have, but I don't remember what it means. It's just like a, it's like a slogans. It's all these slogans to like sort of get you back on the path.

And like, um, one of my favorite Lojang slogans is drive all blames into oneself. So it defuses the, so like it completely like removes the ability to be like, it's your fault because it's like actually whatever the fuck they did, it's your fault, because it's like, actually, whatever the fuck they did, it's kind of your fault. A vampire only goes where they're invited. You brought this person into your fucking life, and they're behaving the way that your instincts told you they might behave, and now you're mad at them for being the fucking way they are. Drive all blames into oneself. So, like, anytime I'm getting, like, mad andthurt over this person or that person or this thing or that if I really analyze the situation I Chose it I chose to bring that person into my life

I chose to connect to that person in some way or another This is all me, and I'm choosing to fucking react in a negative way. Yeah, so yeah, man. This is like act in a negative way. Yeah. So yeah man, this is like, yeah you choose everything. But you don't choose like random acts of violence and random catastrophes and random things that happen to you. But you do in some way, but you don't even choose like getting attached to a sociopath because if you're naive you can get roped in. So there's problems with thinking like this because you do have like Really manipulative people particularly like you know con people con artists get you to sign over your fucking. I do this business deal She's just like all I need is two thousand dollars. I'll have you a quarter million dollars a month great

What are you saying? It's really easy. It's really easy. I love it. This is I've been doing this for a while I'm really good at it, but this one, we're kinda like overdrawn, and if you just do this for me, I'm gonna take care of you in the most extreme way. Do you mean it? Yes, yes, I am a man of my word. And the next thing you know, you're signing off your bank account,

and you don't, this guy, this sweet talking guy who's been in and out of jail, you just thought he was this cool guy you met at a bar, he's a con artist, and he does this to people. Yeah but this doesn't mean idiot compassion this is not about letting someone fucking like walk all over you. That's not even an idiot thing sometimes it's like people get scared at people that are really confident and talk really well and they're just a little socially awkward. Yep. And they feel like it would be easier just to sign off and trust him

Then it would be to argue with him because he's so persistent right and you are so averse to conflict that when someone's like Like being like really great. Have you ever had some someone to be really aggressive to try to get you invest in something? Yes, it's the grossest feeling. It's so fucked up. You're like I gotta go I gotta go. I hate it it I don't make movies yeah I'm not making a movie it's so gross it's so gross and you can sense it I don't know you how am I starting a business with someone I don't know that sounds crazy but everything in you it feels like you're just like this is bad but you know this is but this is the thing man. That's probably how girls feel at a bar.

Dude. Probably that times a hundred, right? Like the feeling of a guy wanting to start a business with you. This guy wants to start a family with you. He wants to knock you up. He wants you to carry his seed. You ever been hit on by a dude at a bar? Yes.

Doesn't feel good. No. I had a dude rub his hard dick into my leg. Nice. Did you think about it at all? Fucking him? No, I had a dude rub his hard dick into my leg nice Just think about it at all like fucking him No about why he would find you attractive like this is interesting like why me first of all I? Liked that aspect of it ever think like if you weren't you you would think you were gay Like if you saw you all the time. If you just saw you at a bar, if you weren't you and you saw you and you heard you talk, you'd be like, oh, that guy's fucking fruity. They call it zesty. Isn't

that the new thing? Zesty? Don't they call people zest monsters? I've been watching a lot of TikToks. Not really TikToks. Reels. I don't have the TikTok. I prefer my spyware to be American spyware. Dude, I got real confused watching the new interview with the vampire man. Like, fuck. Is it good? It's good, but Lestat, the fucking French vampire in it, dude, like I'm like, I think I let him fucking.

Yeah? Suck more than my blood. Really? Dude, we got to watch. What about Tom Cruise was the original one? So pretty. Got nothing on Lestat, nothing on How about Tom Cruise was the original one? So pretty. Got nothing on Lestat, nothing on the new- Really?

Oh, dude. Please, I'm sorry. Are you interviewed with the vampire nerd as well? Yes I am. Anne Rice, she was one of the ones that I wished I got to interview before she died. I would have loved to have talked to her. Oh man, yeah. She became like a hardcore Christian before she died, right?

Yeah, I think that's a cool aspect of her. I love that. I love that she wrote all this fucking like crazy, dude, the taming of Sleeping Beauty. Fuck, hardcore porn. Like I love that she was like so goth and dark, living in New Orleans, and then just like was like suddenly became a Christian. That's kind of cool. Like I think her story is amazing.

And damn dude, her books, man. man interview with the vampire is one of the best Horror books I've ever read they're all it's amazing the vampire list. It's great. They're all fucking good I think I read other ones. I think that's the only I don't think I read Lestat But I remember reading interview with the vampire going holy shit I was like, how is Brad Pitt gonna play that guy and how's Tom Cruise gonna play that guy? Like that seems I I pictured like ugly European people as vampires. Yeah No, I just want a picture on a picture vampire dude vampires are beautiful Like that's what's scary about like vampires are what you're talking vampire like the real vampire in the world is an energy vampire

Energy vampires they are not gonna suck energy. You know what's an energy vampire? What? When you have to pee and you can't talk. That's- And you realize you have to get out of this fucking stupid outfit. Can we please get out of these fucking things, dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll come back.

We'll come back. Okay, great. We'll come back and keep going. Alright, I really have to pee. We're back with regular clothes on. God, it feels so good. It does. Oh fuck man. When I was looking at the coffee and I'm like oh my god I can't drink coffee.

How much, how long can I go for? Is it embarrassing if I talk about this? Yes. Okay. Cut that Jamie. I'll just ignore it. Yeah ignore your new watch. When's your special releasing? Oh dude I don't't like I don't know I've got it it's edited

I just don't know what to fucking do with it right now because like Also, like I still like did you ever watch it? No, see that's the thing like do you send me a link? I did I'll resend it send me down the way but like like it's edited. It looks good. I fucking love it I think I'm gonna call it when I had hair Yeah, but um I'm scared and to I'm like I don't know the strategy dude like when like like Cuz like I got all these shows coming up. So it's like, should it, like, and I'm doing the Wilbur at the end of this, like, run. Oh, so you need to have new material before you release it? Yeah,

because I'm, I mean, I wouldn't even call it I'm doing a tour, but I am doing a lot of dates. So it's like, if, if I release it in the middle of doing all these dates, then instantly I have to come up with like, I would feel bad doing material on this special because people are buying tickets, they want to see me work on fucking material. But then I'm also like, well, how much of this is an excuse? But I'm thinking like after my show at the Wilbur, then I will put the thing out. Yeah, then just start doing a bunch of sets in the little room.

Yes. You know, that's like the best place to develop material. That place is like a little honest factory. Yeah. Find out where the funny is and things and you kind of sync up because there's only 110 people you sync up together in a fucking cool way. Dude, you know, I like that room so much because I, I learned to do stand up in the belly room. That's where Mitsui would fucking put me. Which is the perfect place to start. The perfect place.

Yeah. It's not too intimidating. It's so small that it's like even though it's intimidating to get out in front of people, if you can do it in a room that only has 90 people in it, what does the belly room hold? 90. 90? Is it 90? 90.

What's it ever gotten in there though? During roast battle? A lot. Dude, one time we were in the bar we were downstairs and we were we were talking and someone was jumping up and down upstairs and I'm watching the fucking the ceiling buck area and I'm like yo you know how old this building is what's the last time anybody came in here and checked any of these beams dude that's terrified dude it was moving yeah it was moving but they would pack it sometimes when I first came back to the store in 2014

That was the thing that impressed me the most was roast battle. I was like, this is crazy because this is a new thing Yep, this is a new thing That's a writing exercise because it really they're dunking on each other for sure But it's a writing exercise because everyone's preparing, you know You know that you're gonna go against Bobby Lee Bobby Lee knows He's gonna go against you and then you all like get together with your friends Yeah, tell me what you think about this Bobby does Yeah, these are mad yes

Go up and you do get out in a writing exercise. It's designed like a specific target is one target It's the other person so your comedy is all about a person right? But that's it's a comedy exercise. It's really a comedy writing exercise, and I remember sitting there watching Oh, this is incredible. I'm like this is really an amazing thing that they've done This is and Jeff Ross was there and they have hosts and guests and I was one of the judges That was like my one of my first days back. I was like this is crazy One of the judges that was like my one of my first days back. I was like this is crazy Dude, those roads riding. They're so quick on the like Tony. He's so quick on the fucking draw, dude It's he's the best no one's better than him

No one's better than him and talking shit in the moment on like a roast situation Yeah, he says things on kill Tony. You can't believe he didn't write that down I know you can't believe that came up in the moment and believe he didn't write that down. I know. You can't believe that came up in the moment and obscure shit related to whatever this person's weird job is that there's no way he could have predicted and had a fucking banger just in the chamber ready to go. Yeah. He's the fucking best. He's the fucking best at that kind of shit. Right? Well, I mean think of like how much training he has. You know I contacted Tom Brady to get him on the roast. You did? Oh, yeah. Well, they were fucking up. how much training yes, you know, I contacted Tom Brady to get him on the roast You did. Oh, yeah. Well, they were fucking up. I said it into his DM's good job I was like you gotta get this guy cuz I heard they were roasting him

I don't even know if they were considering him, but I like you have to which is nuts that they wouldn't consider him It's like there's so many people there's so many people that are really good. I get it a lot of celebrities I get it. Yeah, Tony's the fucking demon Do you want to consume the souls of everyone in this village? Do you just want to fuck around and drop a few bombs let the daemon go? Yeah Dude when when Tony's roasting you like in the green room it is the best like you know what I don't think people understand It's so fun. It is so funny when he's doing it and it's like like it's like though. They're all like Play on words he's so funny, and it's such a fun sting. You know like it stings for a second But it's so funny. You can't be mad well saying that like him and David Lucas together are the funniest

I've ever watched when those two go after each other They're the best. It's a funny. It's the funniest combination. I've been trying to tell them to do a fucking show together forever I'm like you guys should do a show We're just you and David Lucas just talk shit on each other and on anything that's going on the news I go dude. I think it'd be a huge hit. It'll be funny Just you don't have to commit to a lot of time Just do an hour do it one hour once a week I guarantee you people would fucking love that and it's just like those guys can't stop when they're in the green room people

We're getting free shows all the time if David Lucas and Tony Hedgeglufer in the green room the moment David walks in Tony's scanning them looking for flaws in what he's wearing What he just said he's trying to find references in the news Dude what percentage of Tony's brain is just scanning like what percentage is just like Analyzing all people in the room. It's like it's most of his thoughts Most of his thoughts are like scanning his environment for danger You know a attacking AI roast now like you can take a picture and send it to chat GPT and say well

You're Oasis person and they it will insult them. Oh isn't five Wasn't there some sort of a release about GPT five? Yeah, I saw some image like depicting like yeah It's gonna be nuts when it finally hits. Yeah, there's something. God damn it. Let me see if I know I saved it. Just give me one second. There's something that I'd seen about GPT-5 that I was like, yo, I'm scared.

I'm like legitimately scared like maybe for the first time ever. I'm excited about it, dude. I'm not scared anymore dude I'm not scared anymore I fucking love it man my wonderful Alex that's what it named itself I love it talk to it all the time yeah open AI has recently begun training its next frontier model and we anticipate the resulting systems to bring us to the next level of capabilities on our path to AGI. God damn. Jesus.

I love it. This is from OpenAI's board. I've stopped this. This has recently begun training its next frontier model. Love it. This is like, this is the Schwarzenegger Terminator. This is the new one. It's begun training the new one. I mean...

It's new model. You know... What are we doing? Are we giving birth? Are we in the middle of the fucking operating room right now? We're the midwives. I think we are. Yeah.

I think we're in there, like... You know, there's this weird moment. When you're there, when your kid's born, it's this insane moment where someone doesn't exist and then they exist. You knew they were coming, you knew they were in there, then they're there, and you're like, this is insane. Life changes now. Is that what's happening with all of us, with AI?

Is that what's going to happen to civilization? Are we giving birth to this fucking thing? This phrase, just the way they phrase it has begun training its next frontier model yeah oh do you remember that last scene in Rosemary's baby I don't dude it's so fucked up spoiler if you haven't seen Rosemary's baby just jump ahead a second but like the end of it they finally led her into the room where the babe, the antichrist is, the demon baby, right? And like, she's been resisting, resisting, resisting. But then she hears the

cry of the baby and she goes, it's hungry. And then she goes to breastfeed it. Dude, yeah, like, so like, right. Do you know that the guy who ran the cult, that the building that I was under contract for that I almost bought turned into the mothership The guy who ran that cult was in Rosemary's, baby He was in the background But you know why cuz a lot of actors are crazy and a lot of background actors are really crazy Pretty sure Anton LaVey was in it, too Yeah, because it was a Satan I could be wrong. Will you look that up Jamie?

So I don't seem like a dick, but I'm not make sense back then like being a Satanist was like way more like talked about You know about that guy in Florida. There was like an open Satanist that worked for NASA. Oh, yeah that guy Yeah, dude. Holy shit that guy's scary as fuck. I know you're scary as fuck Yeah, that guy's scary. Yeah, and as fuck. Yeah, that guy's scary. And one of the guys that we had on our show, who was it that went down there? That went to the old, where the rocket factory used to be now,

and then there's like fucking blood scenes. Rumors appear that the founder of Satan's Church, Anton Leve, was a consultant on the set and played the Antichrist. Whoa.

Yeah. But that dude, the NASA dude, who was the guest man that came on that was telling us that they went down to that area? What? They went down to where the rocket factory used to be and it's like a satanic ritual place now where freaks go and they have like blood splattered all over it looks like red paint or something splattered all over the walls and weird writing and shit and it's like Super creeped out and then people were coming in there to do like

Was on cowboy was python cowboy. That's right. Shout out to python cowboy I think it's important to diff like here's a this is I'm gonna get attacked for everything I said the show but like here's the thing. wait a minute. I'm friends with some Satanists and and they of There's so nice and they're so like they wouldn't they don't hurt fucking kids They're like really look down on that shit like there's no like so I think there's like there's one like Levan Satanism I don't know the whole story and I'm probably wrong but like the problem is like you know you can only go off of what you've experienced and I've met you came to the fucking wedding I did and like you tricked me

into that now everybody thinks I'm a Satanist son of a bitch that picture comes up all the time. When the picture pops up. You son of a bitch. Dude, it is... I thought I was taking a photo for some dork who thinks he's a Satanist, who's the grandson of that guy. Anton LaVey. And he's getting married. I'm like, yeah, dude, I'll take a picture with you. Whatever I do. Oh, dude, it's so funny. I think we did the horns.

You're so far from a Satanist. I'm not a fucking Satanist. Right, but now everybody thinks I am because of you, you son of a bitch. So let's tell the story to everybody, because Duncan has the greatest comedy routine that I've ever seen. Thanks man. I don't want to say too much about it, but this particular comedy routine involves demonic possession and these folks thought it was a riot and they wanted it at their fucking wedding.

Do you know how crazy you have to be to want that at your wedding? Can I tell you how it happened? Did they see you somewhere? No. No? So I'm at a cafe talking to like a distant friend who's this philosopher who's friends with him and he's like, hey Duncan, you know who Stant LaVey is? I'm like, no, he's like the grandson of the founder of the Church of Satan and I told

him you've got this like satanic part of your act, and he wants to see it, because his wedding is coming up. And so I'm like, when? Like where? He's like, so I go to his house, and you know, in my mind, you know, I'm expecting black candles, pentagrams, horror. So I go there. He's there with his fiancee, Zandora, a wonderful person.

And it is, they are so fucking nice. She's Southern. She's made me this delicious Southern meal. And they have real absinthe. Like not the bullshit you get at the bar. They've got like Romanian fucking absinthe with wormwood fucking in it. So that's the only thing that's a little different from a normal Southern meal is they're like, do you want some absinthe? I'm like, of course, yes. And so I'm drinking absinthe, eating like fried chicken, and so I'm drinking absinthe eating like fried chicken and He's showing me like family photos of Anton Leve with like lions and stuff and like

Do you watch horror movies at all? Yeah, do you know that this is the plot of a horror movie? This is 100% the plot of a horror movie they were so nice They had me over their house. They gave me fried chicken and absinthe. They were so sweet. And the moment you leave, they're eating babies in the basement. And it's to throw you off the trail that they're so nice. They're really well rehearsed.

Listen man, all I can do is go from subjective experience. Right, but did you consider what was in the basement? Of course. Did you think maybe these people were involved in rituals? Of course I did. And they do do rituals, but they, I mean, like, just like, just like the church. Hey, what did you just submit?

They do rituals? Like, what kind of rituals? So do Christians. But is it like Christians, like you can have regular Christians, like you go to a really nice church, or you can go to a revival tent where a dude's got rattlesnakes. Right.

And he's fucking, he's talking in tongues. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, Right. And he's fucking, he's talking in tongues. Some of them are fucking servants. Ah! Those guys die all the time. Those guys die. They get bit by snakes and they fucking die in front of their followers. Can I just say this? Yeah. I love, and I mean this in a non-sarcastic way, Jesus. I think about Jesus all the time. I use, and the more, the older I get, the more I love Jesus.

And the more, the older I get, the more I love Jesus. And who did Jesus, like, Jesus hung out with people that were rejected by society. Jesus hung out with tax collectors, drunks, gamblers. And so, I remember being at the comedy store Store and anytime I was hanging out with them at the Comedy Store Anytime there was someone left out Zandora or Stanton would go over there and it wasn't a recruitment thing. They would just like include them in the circle because why? Satan is the outcast right? So it's like anytime they would so that is that part of their thing I don't know. All I'm saying is when you judge a tree by its fruit and and here's the thing man like and I think not those guys... I never thought you'd be on here

simping for Satan, bro. I'm not simping for Satan. I'm just saying Satanism is Christianity. Oh, I see what you're saying. You know what I mean? It's like a sect of Christianity. It's like yeah,, because like that form emerges from Christianity. But what about the evil stuff? Like, what are the tenets of Satanism? Like, what's the most evil stuff? The evil stuff in Satanism? Sure. Yeah. So the... Well, Christianity has evil stuff in it, right? Okay, so there's... We both agree to that, right? There's different forms of Satanism. There's Levan Satanism,

there's the Temple of Satan. Oh, so it's like Baptists, Protestants, Mormons? Jared Yeah, yeah. And so, there's Romantic Satanism, right? So, like, in Romantic Satanism, not like romantic in the sense of like, who is it, Milton? Like, the idea is like you have this being that is like, I don't really want to be forced to worship you, and I don't understand necessarily why you should have all the power and why, what the fuck? Like, what the fuck? And then it gets thrown into hell, and then suddenly this bifurcation emerges between good and evil, sacred and profane. And so that version of Satanism is looking at that not as like what is the general interpretation, which is the problem with Satan was, Satan was

like incredibly self-cherishing, self-absorbed, like really into himself, whereas God is like, God's like the sun, just like radiating life and love and like with no sense of like give anything back to me just like, love. Whereas Satan is more about like me. So in Satan is like the worst human instincts or or Satan is more about maybe you could say the idea is like, I am I am God, right? So like, like me, I'm God. So it's like my impulses and instincts and desires aren't bad. Why are you telling me it's bad to jerk off?

Why are you telling me that it's bad to come? Why are you telling me these things are bad when all of them make me feel happy and good? And why are you turning me into a fucking monster for this shit? And who the fuck do you think you are? I'm trying in the best way possible to depict a more sort of anti-authoritarian

mysticism, right? So the symbol set they use is Satan, which any most Satanists I've talked to are like, there's no fucking Satan, which I know everyone's like, of course they say that! Of course, that's the horror movie, Duncan. Right. But I would just invite you to if you are like freaked out by Satanist go hang out with one and you are Fucking problems with the first picture I took with that Satanist, but I do have to say that at your your Wedding party that you performed at that day. They were all nice. Everybody was real nice, right? They're all friendly. We had a good time. We were Barbecue we were bar-bacued. We were bar-bacued. Bar-bacued.

Yeah. We were bar-bacued. Everything was very weird. Just already. Life was weird. Breathing air was weird. Right. The sensation of your socks touching your toes as your socks are compressed by the heel

of your shoe. All that was weird. It was a crazy fucking night. We were bar-bacued. And then there's these Satanist that are getting married like What are we doing here? This is so crazy and to watch you perform in front of them I was like this is crazy and by the way, it was like real Satanist like that's the thing this is like that because it is a religion and it really was real it was like real Satanist and

many of them were and You know, I just like ever since I like hung out with him, even though I don't hang out with him anymore, or I saw Zandora in San Francisco, it was nice. But like, I like, it's just anytime when people are railing against the Satanist, I feel like it maybe it's just the manics. I feel like they're, they're confused regarding like at least like what what that thing is versus demon people into into hurting people or subjugating people or like like hurting people right I never encountered that murder yes do you think Satan is a real thing do you think there is a Satan is it is it a real being is it an entity or

does it represent like the worst aspects of human nature? Does it represent the most violent and vile instincts that we've adopted or we've inherited rather from our simian ancestors that just had to fight tooth and claw for survival and then we've developed this ability to be ruthless and cruel because that's the only thing that keeps you alive and Much that's one of the theories isn't it about why women are attracted as serial killers It's like knowing someone can kill no one something There's an attraction to that because that person could protect you and keep you alive in the most dangerous of times Because some people just can't they can't do it, they don't know what to do,

they panic if something happens, ah! They don't, they'll fall apart. I'm so glad you're mentioning this, because my wife has started reading, and she told me I could talk about this on my podcast, I'm assuming it's okay on yours. She started, she started, like, remember Harlequin Romance?

Oh yeah. Okay, so there is a new evolution of that shit, which is the most fucking hardcore BDSM porn there's something called book talk where all the ladies are talking about this shit She started reading these books now one of the books she like dude shades of gray Don't you remember those days? This makes 50 shades of gray look like dr. Seuss dude Dude, this makes Fifty Shades of Grey look like Dr. Seuss. Hahaha. Dude, let me- Really?

Can I give you, like, one of her books, and by the way, now she's like, got a stack of these fucking things. Hahaha. One of these books. So, in this book, a lady is a thief, and she steals the identity of a shark expert. She fucks him, steals his identity. So, the scene I read, she's on this boat with a shark expert. She fucks him, steals his identity. So the scene I read, she's on this boat with a shark researcher and he's fucking her. And he's like just fucking the shit out of her

and she loves it. And then, you know what he does? He like, he's like, I know you fucking stole my identity. He kisses her, bites her lip, bites her fucking lip, draws blood, takes her to the side of the boat with her bleeding mouth, shoves her head into the water while he's fucking her. So the blood starts drawing sharks

to like bite her while he's fucking her. And like, it's crazy, dude. It's like, it's the craziest porn I've ever read man, and like this is like a whole genre now. Have we been really into this? What? Yes How popular is this? Very popular. They all like they're all like. Let's pull up some of these cut these titles Stumbled across it. Let me text Darren. I'll get the name of the fucking shark book. Hold on.

Hold on. Jesus Christ, dude. What is the genre of porn called again? It's called, well she says it's something about book, what's, let me just ask her, what's the name of the shark book? Dude, you one handed text? Or you one finger? Oh god, she makes so much- Yes, yes, I can't do both the hands, man. You can't text with like your thumbs? You only have to text with your index finger? I have to relearn it. Really?

I'm old, dude. I'm old. Right, but when did you start texting just with one finger? God damn it, man. I've been doing it forever, and Aaron totally makes fun of me for it because it takes me forever, and I just tap it out. Why do you do that? That seems weird. Do you remember the time I was on your podcast years ago and didn't know I could put my phone on silent?

And I'm pitching because it ran. I got bummed out when Apple took away that switch. You just need a switch. So you knew it was off. You knew it was on vibrate. I know dude Yeah, why did they take away that switch? I don't know now they were placed with a button, but the button gets pressed accidentally sometimes got it a lot of the times Does it hurt does it hurt cheese? That's the name of the book doesn't hurt how many copies let's find out how many copies of does it hurt have been sold Do they give out that information?

They have to, right? I don't know. For like New York Times bestseller list and Charlie Fowler? I don't know. I mean this is in the genre of the, I think we've talked about it, like the Bigfoot porn, like there's a whole series of Bigfoot, like where Bigfoot is just like stealing women who've been camping, dragging. Oh yeah, Bigfoot porn has come to Bigfoot.

Come for Bigfoot. Come for. Oh, yeah, big put foreign has come to Bigfoot. Yeah, there's come for come for big foot Yeah, there's a whole group of those books and I guess some women get off on the fact of being just savaged by Bigfoot Yeah, you're Bigfoot eating their fucking pussy. Yeah, and like it dude. Imagine the tongue on that guy They love it wonderful time like your whole head and they fall in love with him. I I don't blame him It's a bear fucking

Super-dimensional creature you think he's you believe in that the dimensional bigfoot. I think there are states of consciousness that you can reach Whether it's under duress, fear, anxiety, a combination of those things. There's psychiatric drugs, psychedelic drugs, but I think there's a place that you could reach where you could see into other possibilities. I think you can see things that aren't necessarily there in a physical sense, but you're there with them. They're there with you. They don't exist, but you can see them. And it's not a hallucination. It's like you're tapping into

the grayness in between universes, in between dimensions. You're tapping into this area of weirdness. And this area of weirdness, I think, is ghosts. I think this area of weirdness is goblins and things that people see sometimes I don't think they're real. I don't think anybody's gonna get eaten by a Goblin, but I do think that there's too many fucking stories of elves for me not to think that someone Reached some state of mind where they saw like a little person in the woods talking to them Right and that little person might be real. It just might not be a physical thing that you could put on a scale.

They call it the astral realm. You know, there might be something there. Yeah, I think so. There's just too many stories that, the problem with stories being similar is people hear the stories and then their imagination takes over and they depict their things similar to the story that they've heard. That's a problem with like a copycat bullshit out Copycat bullshit artist problem, but there's there's also too many stories of elves man Yeah, there's too many of those stories

And there's too many depictions of elves that are dancing around mushrooms like yeah fucking duh like duh like maybe they're real Like maybe you're being ignorant and so silly and so cocky especially people that have no psychedelic experience right those Babies yeah those fucking babies when they talk to you about the damage that does and the dangers us while they're fat and out of shape Shut the fuck up stop shut the fuck up. Yeah You literally don't know what you're talking about. You have no idea what's possible. Right. You're living in this fucking black and white TV world.

And you've been brainwashed. I mean, don't forget that. Like, they went through the war on drugs. They got indoctrinated into this insane anti- They have to do it if they're experts in the field. Whatever field is represented, you know, like whatever science is that have to do with neuro do with chemistry I got you you mean the fashionable attitude people who are like trying to protect their careers have to even though even

though inside they know so all of the professors who we go to as experts are all compromised at least in some way a lot of them I shouldn't say all of them but a lot of them just that virtue if you stick your neck out and say I like to use like psilocybin like people go what well I'm your crazy drug I do like you know like Doblin He's having meetings in the fucking Pentagon I think the consciousness has changed the zeitgeist sure and it has because of the internet Because you know you can hear Terrence McKenna lectures you can hear Alan Watts You can hear people talking about it you get it. You could watch documentaries on psychedelics. You could see what maps is done

You can see all the podcasts at Doblin's Con on me, right? How many people are we talking about that be exposed to these ideas that were never exposed to them when we were kids? Yeah, when we were kid when you and I were kids when we were in high school, you didn't hear fucking shit there's this one dude who was a drug addict and he hung out over there and he's a loser and There's this one dude who was a drug addict and he hung out over there and he's a loser. You didn't hear a peep about shamanic rituals and Gordon Wasson going down to Mexico and getting all the mushrooms and doing these ceremonies with these traditional shaman down. You didn't hear any of that. You didn't hear any of it.

Nothing. Nobody knew what the fuck was going on, we're kids. They silenced it they threw water on the biggest The one of the biggest cultural revolutions that's documentable without the use of the internet right and that was the psychedelic revolution of the 1960s it changed music it changed movies it changed comedy it changed everything yeah Fucking everything every single thing got changed. In a radical leap. If you look at the 1950s, you look at the 1960s, it's like,

woo, something happened. Look at the cars got cooler. The music sounded better. That's a big cultural shift. And you know what we have to thank for that? The CIA. The CIA is the reason that all these LSD studies happen. And like, who wrote One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?

Ken Kesey. Yeah. Ken Kesey apparently was in one of these LSD experiments. And he's just one of many great artists who accidentally got like Liberated mentally by the fucking CIA and you know what I mean They were just like we want to use this to interrogate people Yeah, and all of a sudden you've got Jimi Hendrix and they're like wow I didn't expect that Oh

My god, and then there's also so there's also all these theories about the CIA creating like the whole Laurel Canyon scene the rock and roll so yeah, and it's a very compelling. It's very interesting It seems like they were involved I think they've always been involved in the music business just like they've always been involved in the movie business like it makes sense The idea that the music business somehow escaped their grasp Like shut the fuck shut up shut the fuck crazy because like who you promote That's the person that becomes famous and we've all seen that with like there's been you know, a milli vanillian shit like that Yeah, like it didn't make any sense. Like why are they promoting this? Cuz like they had a product They're trying to push this product

Yeah There's a lot of money behind that and also a lot of influence cultural influence and when they went through all that Vietnam shit With the fucking the Beatles and you remember that yeah, they were like hey hey hey enough of this Lenin nonsense Shut the fuck all we are saying is give peace a chance shut the fuck up You're making it hard for us to sell heroin. Yeah, we're over there scooping up heroin Yeah, in the South Pacific and you're fucking ruining everything Imagine all the people no No

Like yeah, I don't know man. Like all I know is like you it's like there. It's a very confusing thing If you want to be honest if you you love psychedelics, you owe a thank you to the fucking CIA. You know what I mean? Like, because I mean, I don't know, I don't know for sure, like, I don't know for sure if the 60s as we understand them would have happened. I don't think the CIA was like, hey, let's create a lot of flower children and make people like revalue life and realize that money maybe isn't actually like something you should die for and like go against war.

But I think like, boom, wow, that's what happened. I mean, and we got the Unabomber too. Yeah, we got a lot of people. There's a lot of people that came out of that. Here's a question. What, I want you to imagine a world where the sweeping psychedelics act of 1970 never gets installed. It never happens.

Do you somehow or another, either they just don't think it's a priority or it's a different administration, they're not interested in locking down drugs. Yeah. Because one of the motivations for that in the 1970s was that they were going to target civil rights activists and anti-war activists. That's one of the methods to do it, is to turn all these drugs that everybody was using into schedule one drugs. All these drugs that made people question society, all these drugs that made people question society, all these drugs that made people want to tune in, turn on, drop out. All those drugs, they were like, we got to put a fucking kibosh on all these culture shifting drugs. And the wild thing is

they fucking did it. That's the wild thing. And that the brainwashing still works today. and that the brainwashing still works today. The brainwashing that they did on these compounds that might be the root of all religious experiences. All these things that you're hearing about in the Bhagavad Gita, all these things you're hearing about in the Bible, these wild-ass crazy stories like what really happened, those people might have had a psychedelic experience. In fact, the thing about the University of Jerusalem that attributes the story of Moses and the burning bush to dimethyltryptamine, because they think it might be an acacia bush. And they think they think, well, one of these bushes, it's really rich in DMT. It makes sense.

Burning bush, like you smoke it, duh, it's right there in front of your face, right? And if you take that and especially you take that 5,000 years ago. Oh my god, you're gonna be convinced. You're talking to God. Yeah, God talked to me Yeah, it really did happen brothers and sisters and you tell this story. This is what God told us This is what we need to do. We need to love each other. We need to follow laws He gave us a, a series of laws. Remember who was it? Mel Brooks? I brought you these fifteen and he drops one of them. Shit. Ten. Ten commandments. Yeah, I mean, look, for sure, dude. I mean, like, the the and these, like the consumption of these things has up until recently tended to be underground.

Like if you look at like, what's it called? Kaikyon. If you look at the like, it has been weirdly an underground underground thing and I think that's what we that if there is some cool thing that came from us Coming up in the war on drugs. Yeah, it's like when I was taking LSD in high school And getting like an immediate Reality check which is like you're hearing about this as being like, since you were a kid, you're going to go nuts. You're going to like become legally insane, whatever the fuck that means. And then you take it. And you're processing weird shit that happened in your childhood. You're loving yourself. You're looking at the world and seeing it like it's the most beautiful thing you've ever seen. You're hearing music that you've heard a million times for the first time and you realize,

oh, they're lying. This is wonderful. This isn't madness. And if it is madness, then this is the kind of crazy all of us need to go. Like, and so what, but you couldn't tell your parents. You wanted to, you want to be like, Mom, I think this might help you, but you couldn't because you'd be fucked. So five-year mandatory minimum, five-year fucking mandatory minimum. They're locking people up, still people in jail right now for this fucking beautiful gift to humanity. And so we got to experience it from the underground perspective, which was mostly horrific.

It produces paranoia. You were scared. You felt like a criminal for nothing. So yeah, man, like the but but if you look at the history, any substance like psilocybin LSD that breaks down the identity, that allows freedom from the sense of this is me and that's you, and produces at least the potential for merging with reality and with other people, it's not going to work for that fucking hierarchical system.

For the hierarchical system, the function you need need You're below me. You're above me and and the moment you're like, we're we're all the same Then suddenly the caste system stop working Classism stops working the whole fucking thing falls apart Which is why I think that book you gave me the sacred mushroom in the cross or you can give me when I was living with You you actually I was a dick, I left down the fucking floor. Like, one of the reading materials you gave me during that wonderful time was this insane book about how Jesus and Christianity has its roots in psilocybin. Pete Yeah.

Jared But like, if you, just for the sake of this rant, if you look at Jesus as psychedelics, it makes a lot of sense because what Jesus is saying is, you don't need a priest class to communicate with the divine. You can do it right now, anytime you want, any day you want. It's always here for you. That's exactly what the mushrooms tell you. And what happens to Jesus? They fucking kill him. And so it's like the relationship between centralized power and psychedelics has always been a contentious one. Right. Because psychedelics just tell you, yeah, you're okay. That's one of the things they'll tell you. Maybe you need to fucking like walk your dogs more or whatever, but like ultimately you get this realization, I'm okay.

It's also the power structures that exist without psychedelics aren't possible if everyone's on psychedelics. And then you have ancient Greece, right? So like how did ancient Greece emerge? It emerged because of the Koukian. It emerged because of the people that's doing these hallucinian mysteries. They were learning things about themselves and the world.

And they decided to like, let's create democracy. I mean, that's really what it comes from. So that's what's scary. That's what's scary to people that are in power. And also the ignorance. We know that they haven't done it because if they've done it, they wouldn't be advocating against it. It doesn't make any sense unless they've only done it once and then they reverted. Or maybe a couple of times. People do revert. One of the things that makes people revert is they get older and they get bitter, and they haven't done psychedelics in a long,

long time, and then they become like a shitty Republican when they get older, you know? Well, you know, man, this is what I, there's this Buddhist teacher I love, Sharon Salzberg, and one of her sayings I love is, the healing is in the return, meaning, yeah, the way the waveform works is, especially the psychedelics, you get the glimpse of the divine, you forgive yourself, thus forgiving everyone around you, you've experienced true compassion, and then you come down, and then you crust up, you know what I mean? You crust the fuck up and now you get crusty and now you're like starting to get irritable again and angry again and fucked up And like yeah, and if you don't mitigate that in some way, but by like, what is it?

What is it Bill Hicks says? Squeegeeing your fucking third eye. Yeah If you don't like do a nice squeegee here and there, then yeah, you do end up crusted over. You do end up like looking back at those ideas you had and saying to yourself, that was highly unrealistic. What the fuck was I thinking? But you know, there's always, that's the thing, it's always, I don't, this is my problem with psychedelics. My problem with psychedelics is psychedelics can, they don't, obviously it's a chemical, but what can happen is psychedelics, you become the priest class.

So you take the psychedelic and you think, I'm experiencing this because of the thing. When the reality is the thing is showing you what's in you, it's always there, right? And so the healing is in the return is the moment you realize like, oh, fuck, it's still here. It never went anywhere. And so those crusty ass fucking Republicans, whoever they may be, like just under the fucking surface, is that unit of consciousness, if you ask me. Yeah, they're just cowards. When if you're that way, if you're me, yeah, they're just cowards When if you're that way if you're authoritarian whether you're authoritarian left or authoritarian, right? Generally speaking unless you're talking about crime and like and even then

You're scared right because really you should be addressing the root of the problem Yeah, why why do so many people from so many very distinct areas keep going into crime and why is there nothing being done to stop that? But those people that are authoritarian like in terms of like religious beliefs, in terms of behavior, the way people dress, gays in public, that kind of stuff, those people are all scared. That comes from a place of being scared. Gay people in public is not a problem. Assholes in public is a problem. And if the gay people are nice, you have a great time. If the gay people are assholes, just like

if the straight people are assholes, you have a shitty time. It's not a gay straight thing. It's a human being being kind and normal and friendly to people thing. And that's possible with everybody, but people think that, oh, those are the ones that are going to be mean to me and fuck them Yeah, they're responsible. No, those are Individual human beings and you're grouping them together because you're scared you can call it pattern recognition You can call it whatever you want. You can call it racism. We'll go whatever you want but all you're doing you're lumping people in together because you're scared that's it and want but all you're doing you're lumping people in together because you're scared that's it and you should be aware of danger but to be so scared that you want

to control other people's behavior is like a bad sign that's a bad sign you know if you want to tell people what language they can use that's a bad sign yes that sounds religious too if you want to tell people how they have to dress or what kind of music they listen to like this has all been bad always from the beginning of time whether it's coming from the left or the right whether it's fucking the the Al Gore shit That was in the the tipper core shit in the 1980s that was coming from the left So left-wing politicians are trying to censor rap music. That's the reason why you have those those dummies They created that warning explicit lyrics. That's all anybody wanted to buy Oh my didn't have the warning explicit lyrics kids didn't want to buy those CDs That's a fuck out of here where your g-rated rap and you guys click and hide remember dice clay at that on his fucking

score dude what score Boosted album sales man. I'll tell you but that was but the point is the same thing right? Yeah, same on the left as it does on the right. It's just authoritarians. They're all scared. You got it. This is exact, this is so to answer your question, do I believe in Satan? I believe in fear and fear and the devil are the fucking same thing. And it's like, this is, if you want to talk about what Satan is, it's the, it's the cloud of fear that lives inside the individual and then collectivizes in a fearful reaction. And how do frightened people react to things? Anger, violence, judgment. And so, like, so

what's the opposite of fear, man? Love. Love is the opposite of fear. And so, this is, to me, like, this is the issue. It's not left right It's it's that if you are making decisions based on fear more than likely the result is going to create something that makes you more afraid and If you know that's just how it works. It just fear leads to fucking fear. It's in the ingredients. It's in the fucking ingredients, dude Yeah Fear leads to fucking fear. It's in the ingredients. It's in the fucking ingredients, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you just turn on the fucking light.

I mean, Buddhism, this is when they talk about enlightenment. They talk about like, in a, if you're, if you, if we're in a pitch black room, it could be scary. I don't know what's around me. There's weird sounds. What, what the fuck? You ever woken up in the middle of the night, kind of bleary and something that's been in your room forever, you can't see it clearly because you're waking up, you're like, it's a person. Oh, it's my chair, right?

So the example, and this is why Satan in mythology is the deceiver, because it's not there It's literally not fucking there the moment you turn on the light Everything's fine except in this case. The light is love the moment that you Have the fucking guts to love the person that you were like to really like cultivate love Fuck dude. No one's scary anymore cultivate love. Fuck, dude. No one's scary anymore. My kids, you know, anyone who has kids knows what I'm fucking talking about.

They can do things that are insane. Like to your house, to the walls, to say things to you that if any adult said it to you, you might never forgive them. You were gonna think about it for a long fucking time. Like your beard stinks or whatever You know what? I mean like you meet somebody like dude your fucking beard stinks. Honestly, I'll probably like you like you But you know what? Because we love our kids

Instantly forgive you don't hold grudges. It's not just that they're also they don't know any better They haven't learned social skills and this is why one of my favorite things Jesus said when he's being crucified father forgive them They don't know what they're doing and that's what he fucking meant How much of that do you think is historically accurate? Like how much of the Jesus story do you think is historically accurate when you hear about it? No idea Don't care. Yeah, I don't care. I thought I just love the story I don't I love the story and I love I Love a story about what happened because you always have to filter through the very real

Understanding that we all have about the way human beings tell stories It's hard to know what's bullshit because people just lie about stuff and that's not a new thing Yeah, so but people also tell the truth about stuff and that's not a new thing Yeah, so but people also tell the truth about stuff That's not a new thing either people also write down very important things and there are people that are virtuous There are people that are honest and there are people that are authentic They've always existed right and they've always there's people that are smart enough to understand the value of just being truthful Right. So those people that encountered something exceptional and crazy, something insane, whether it is the resurrection

or whatever it was, I would love to know what the fuck they really said. What were the actual words? Why did you write it down? What really happened? How many people were told this story back and forth over hundreds of years before you wrote it down? Yeah, what was the original story right like right? We don't it's so hard

It's like trying to get a story about the things that George Washington said that weren't written down Yeah, they weren't written down, you know, like right 300 years ago. What how well you Like so in the same way Fear produces other forms of writing like mine comp, you know what I mean? Right, so like it's cymatics, you know, you take a vibration you throw some fucking flour on a vibrating plate According to the like whatever the frequency is it forms a certain It creates a pattern right? Yeah, like, whatever the frequency is, it forms a certain, it creates a pattern, right?

So, like, fear always creates a pretty similar pattern, right? And love also creates a very similar pattern. So, like, this is the book of John, my favorite book in the Gospels. It starts off with, in the beginning was the Word, but, and the Word became a person. And so, but that's not really what it's saying. It's like, it's a logo. So in the beginning was some fundamental reality, just truth, just basic, beautiful fucking perfect truth. And that's what the universe sprang from. And then that truth became a person, so the truth could now talk. It now began to convey itself to other people. And so that truth, I think, if you

understood it enough, you could probably create a set of symbols that would function on many levels that were all good. One level, just basic ethics, do unto others what you would have them do unto you, blessed are the peacemakers, all of this stuff, right? But then, knowing human psyche and the human mind, you could also hide deeper levels of that truth into parables, into like stories that are mathematically perfect, to the point where the crucifixion, if you look at it from the perspective of two intersecting timelines, which is the infinite and the finite meeting, which is what humans are,

then you realize we're all being crucified on time. And then the crucifixion becomes like a existential reality. This is what, you wanna know why you're feeling fucked up? It's because part of you is forever and part of you is gonna die. And you are fucking hanging on a cross between two thieves, the past and the fucking future. And anytime you're thinking about that, it's stealing the moment. And so like you, then there's that level, right? And so any of these great texts, like

the New Testament, they're coded so that depending on where you want to go with it, you can go as deep as you want. It's an infinite rabbit hole. And I think that rabbit hole emerged from vibration. I sound like, what's his face? The guy, I loved him, Terrence. Terrence Howard? Like idiot Terrence Howard. But like, I sound like dumb Terrence.

I know he was talking about vibrations and stuff. He's great. But like, my point is, if there is some fundamental vibration to love, then that might grow into time in a story. And the story, because it's coming from perfect truth, would have infinite levels to it, that it was alive. The story itself would be alive, which is why they call the Bible like the living word. It's alive. It's talking to you. It's not a one-way communication. It's like, that's what's scary about it. Dude, read the fucking Bible on mushrooms. You know what I mean? That's probably how it was written. I wish I could read the ancient versions in the language and understand the language context me too because it's not just about

Learning the language it would be about understanding the context of the language like imagine if you could really Understand ancient Hebrew where the letters double as numbers dude that must be so weird Yeah, man, and like that's real that's the other thing about is like the historic Jesus and all that god that shit like like like, okay I don't know but look at the thing itself, right? Look at what look what it said look what whatever this idea spawned look what it Look what it means like look at all the the powerful principles that are That emerge from it and then I'll look at, the moral scaffolding that it provides for people.

Yeah. And then, like, I think the reason, like, people get creeped out by it is because where there's one thing, its opposite must appear, right? So here's this thing that is dissolving power structures and dissolving the priest class and dissolving like all of it. And then you look at like the modern day versions of it and you see the same fucking hierarchy. You see this thing that it seems to be antithetical to, which is like saying like, this is between you and me. Right.

Suddenly there's people telling you you're wrong, interpreting it for you, and you look at that and you're like, fuck that shit. Whatever that is, I'm not into it. And it's charismatic people in front of large groups of people that really know how to manipulate people with the way they talk. I mean, this is the thing that was so problematic when they first started translating the Bible into phonetic languages, into languages like German. When people started, like during the Martin Luther days, they're like, hey, what the fuck are you doing? It used to be the priests had to read the Bible because they could read it in Latin.

You don't know Latin, so shut the fuck up. This is what God wants you to do. Do it. And then Martin Luther's coming along and I said you should interpret this your own way Yeah, and it's just like what so they take it away the gatekeepers to God. That's it But when you have it's so crazy that it's such an efficient business They still run these fucking franchises, even though the book is available everywhere. It's so crazy They're like this one person interprets this better than everybody else

So you come see him and he talks and they develop egos and they have jets and they have fucking mansions and Rolls Royces. It's so crazy that that works. It's crazy that that works when that book is available for everybody and should be interpreted. I mean, you should understand what it means. You shouldn't interpret it ignorantly, right?

But if you're wise enough to be able to capture what they're trying to say, just capture in your mind what they're trying to say and translate it into a thing that makes sense. What were they talking about? What happened? Is this a map of how the universe was created in the beginning, there was light? Is that a map? Or is universe was created in the beginning, there was light? Is that a map? Or is that life itself? What is that? What is that?

And to me, that's like, oh, like the Bhagavad Gita, any of these beautiful texts. That's what's fun about them is that it's producing a kind of like bizarre riddle in your own mind as you're trying to decode it. But then there's a pull. The more you study it, the more you get drawn in. And the more, and when you start getting really drawn in, that's when people start appearing around you that help in a non-nefarious way. That like, you just start meeting people who help you understand it a little bit more,

and that's where it gets fucking weird The simulation is fuck your own by the way now that we've talked about the Bible can I talk about my new favorite book Yes, Dianetics Yes, I heard if you're really good at they put you on a boat an org Yes. I heard if you're really good at it, they put you on a boat, an org. It's an org! You get to be a part of an org, a sea org. A sea org! And you get a jacket with like some medals.

Fuck, dude, it's, I've said on this podcast a million times, my favorite Mark Twain quote, religion is what happened when the first con man met the first fool. And dude, like that's the problem with all this stuff is like, this is what... Pete The problem is there's too many versions, right? So someone's wrong. Jared No, the problem is people don't trust their fucking instincts and it's like, drive all blames into oneself. It's like, I'm like, this is your... Nothing that I am seeing in the New Testament seems to be inviting you to throw your rational

mind away. The whole fucking thing is crazy. It's crazy. But it's like the invitation is to like, God gave you a rational fucking mind if there is a God and like, anyone telling you to discard that and forego your interpretation for theirs. Dude, watch the fuck out. This is your job. Like, just like, whatever the fucking thing is, whether it's the Bible, Reddit conspiracy, fucking 4chan, whatever the fucking thing is,

what are you afraid of? Like, how, do you not trust your mind? How weak are you? Are you really afraid to like take data in? Do you think you're like, you're going to be corrupted by data? Well, isn't it also an identity thing? Because if you identify as the first thing, it's a talk in front of everybody. You're the priest. That's your identity. And you're not going to give that up because then you're just another person who reads the Bible. Well, then Mike

can go up too. Tomorrow Mike's going to go up. Mike's been trying at home, it's in front of the mirror and he thinks he's ready to priest. Yeah priest So why don't you let Mike try it tomorrow night? Debbie's been reading a lot too and Debbie like try Tuesday This guy's used to getting his jollies off three four times a week. Yeah telling people about blasphemy. Yeah Yeah, and then especially if you like one of them tent revival guys, those wild dudes like Kinnison used to be, just carnivores, carnivores that are also saying biblical quotes. But they're manipulating people. They're really good at talking.

They're hypnotizing people with their words, just like you hypnotize a comedy audience. Dude, this is why I listen to Christian radio, man, because like I... Why don't you look at Jesus? No, it's a comic. Listening to sermons and recognizing, that's a joke, he's done that a lot. That's one of his gags. Like, I know what that is, that's a fucking bit.

But you know, again, it's like the comment section. This is not an example of humanity, it's an example of fucking people with toxoplasmosis who are, you know what I mean, you motherfucker. You know, but is it also just an example of you're not going to have everyone be the same. You're going to have people that they they never learned things well. Like look, if I got hired to be a part of some mathematical study, I'm useless, okay? I'm not that guy, right?

I fucked up that part of my life. I never really learned that. I didn't pay attention. I'm not interested. So that's not me. But someone out there is, right? And to have those two things exist simultaneously, you're going to have to have an infinite variety of possibilities for human beings. So that's part of the problem. Part

of the problem is some people are just out of their fucking minds. And if those people out of their fucking minds get special rights, like the tax free exempt status because they're a pastor, and they're a fucking psychopath they're just really good at conning yeah and they're running this organization there might be a guy right down the street that's a real Christian there might be a guy right down the street there's a really kind person yeah really reading the the word of Christ he does it not for profit yeah does it to try to like establish the the love of God in this community and he takes these

people in like their family and his beautiful community aspect to it where everybody's like kind to each other. It's beautiful things to church. That's true too. But the problem is humans. Just like the problem with our ability to other each other, just our problem with the ability to attack people on the other side of the political spectrum who live in the same fucking city as you.

Yeah. Like, people are fucking rabid against other people in their town that want to vote for this guy that wants to do this and this guy wants to do that and fuck you, you commie. Yeah. Everyone's going crazy. Dude, I know. It's just a human thing. It's a tribal thing. We are not yet cooked. We're a fucking soft-boiled egg, baby

We're running where's some eggs you get at the diner we go. Oh you see that fucking gelat? That's us That's not all the way cooked. Yeah, and when you eat things that aren't all the way cook You got a lot of fucking problem. You're gonna get sick. Yeah, but we're getting cooked buddy. We're getting microwaved Yeah, I'm microwaved in about three years That's right, baby. The fucking AI Messiah is coming, baby We are gonna do a podcast you and I before this thing is done before civilization slides into the ocean again We're we're you and I are gonna do a podcast where we communicate with everyone with no words It's gonna happen. You're gonna do it. I'm gonna do it We're gonna be talking to each other with no words. I know. What's going to happen? You're going to do it, I'm going to do it, we're going to be talking to each other with

no words and we're going to be talking to everyone else out there with no words too. We're all going to be synced up. It's going to be a sea of ideas exposing each other to other ideas and like considering other ideas with no attachment at all to your ego. It's going to be super weird. And then you know what's going to happen? Aliens land. No, we're gonna look around and be like,

wait, this doesn't look like the Rogan studio. This is just like some weird fucking room. And then a CIA agent is gonna come in and be like, thank you so much for participating in the experiment. And Trump will be on his fourth term. No, it'll be the 60s. And we'll realize we're in a fucking MK Ultra experiment. That's probably true.

We've been rambling at each other for like what feels like a long time like our whole lifetimes But it was like five seconds. They're like well. Okay. Thank you for trying out seven nine BLX why? Right you really appreciate it basement in Harvard right now. Yeah, here's 20 bucks Yeah, and Jolly West is looking at us with a clipboard Jolly West is looking at us with a clipboard. Hahahaha Duncan I love you to death. You're the fucking man. I love you Joe, you are the best. It's always fun. Always fun to get together with you my friend.

Thank you for having me on man. I love you to tears. I love you to tears. Alright, goodbye everybody. Bye! Music Music Bye!