The Joe Rogan Experience - #217 - Michael Ruppert

Episode Date: May 15, 2012

Joe sits down with Michael Ruppert.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Just to clear things up, there's a lot of people in the MMA world, they're saying, hey man, Nick Diaz no-showed to a match with Braulio Estima. They were supposed to have a jiu-jitsu super fight, and Nick Diaz no-showed. And they said, are you going gonna take him off your the opening your podcast and i was like how dare you how dare you suggest that i would ever take nick diaz off the opening of my podcast that was one of the greatest moments of my life sir i love it it's my one of my

favorite parts and i don't know why he no showed i'm sure he had his reasons you know i don't know what the fuck happened behind the scenes i don't know who pissed him off you can't piss that dude off all right if you want if you want that dude to fight everything has to be smooth as silk like the ufc there's no bullshit everything's handled everybody's smooth and professional and it goes off without a hitch and he has no problems with anybody but you can't be pissing that dude off and then expecting him to show up he'll just he'll just vanish on you what was there was there some controversy like was there a reason that he got pissed off? There was a weight issue apparently.

They were supposed to weigh in at 180 pounds, 185 pounds the day of the match. Like you had two weigh-ins. And apparently Braulio Estima didn't know this, and then he weighed in in the morning. He lost the weight. He had to cut weight. He had to cut like nine pounds.

So he cut the weight. He weighed in in the morning, and then weight he had to cut weight he had to cut like nine pounds so he cut the weight he weighed in the morning and then he then he rehydrated and but the confusion of him not being on weight or not knowing what the weight is or when to weigh in it's real that's that's where it gets confusing because it's it seems like it's the fault of the organizers it seems like there was there's a big confusion as to like when this was all supposed to go down and then then, of course, with Nick Diaz, like I said, you can't piss him off. If you piss him off, it's just not to show up. They fucked up in that regard. They should have had everything working nice and smooth.

But you can't excuse it. I would have loved to have seen it, man. Nick is a bad motherfucker. And for him to have the kind of confidence to get in there with Braulio Estima, Braulio is one of the two or three best jiu-jitsu guys in the world, I mean, he's amazing, and as a pure grappler, I mean, he taps out other amazing pure grapplers, very smart guy, you know, and, you know, it sucks for him more than anything, because, you know, he came over here from England for this, this is like a big moment for him as a anything because you know he came over here from england for this this is like a big moment for him as a representative of the best jiu-jitsu that's currently available

to have a grappling match against what is a representative of the best you know martial artist mixed martial artists we have available i mean nick diaz is in the elite of the elite you know he's right up there with the top guys in the world as far as mma is concerned as is braulio in jiu-jitsu. And so that would be so fascinating to see them go at it. And it sucks that it didn't work out. I don't know why it didn't work out. It seems like all these guys have weight issues.

Like, that's a huge problem. Why don't they just have, like, four girls on staff that just have to, like, focus on weight issues? They seem like they would be pros at that. Well, they won't, you know, you've got gotta leave that shit up to a fighter, you know, and this is a different sort of situation because there was a lot of confusion, apparently, as to when they were supposed to weigh in, and different people, like Nick Diaz weighed in one day, and Braulio weighed in

the morning of the next day. There's obvious confusion. I don't know exactly what happened. You would have to sit both guys down and sort of piece the argument out, but it sucks. I was just trying to get Nick Diaz to have some girls on staff. I was trying to help the guy out. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Rupert's here,

and he's going to get down to the bottom of things. I am. Michael Rupert's been. I am. I've heard that Fox Magic is particularly strong this type of month. Fox Magic's been working. This time of the month. Yeah.

Fox Magic, it's working. Fox Magic has been magicing all over the place lately. Yeah. But as far as what's going on, that's what I came down here to find out. I had to talk to you to figure it out. I don't know if I have any answers for you, sir. I have a feeling anything that will be coming out of my mouth is pure speculation. Good.

From someone who's completely unqualified. Well, let's speculate all over the place. You know, there's just a ton of shit that's going on, and there have been some major changes. And as far as my life goes, things are changing for the good all over the place. I've left CollapseNet. Now, explain for the folks who are uninitiated,

what is CollapseNet? CollapseNet. Now explain for the folks who are uninitiated, what is CollapseNet? CollapseNetwork, CollapseNet.com, not Collapse.net. It's a company we started two years ago after the movie, the duck, Collapse, came out. And its purpose was to help people to prepare for the collapse of human industrial civilization, which is well underway right now. And over the two years, we've grown to members in 68 countries, and we got really busy. We specialize in bringing really accurate news reports from all over the world. It gives a real picture in telling people what's really going on, but also connecting them through a directory with 1,600 hand-picked entries.

That's free, the Lighthouse Directory for it. So the lights are just going on. Maybe it's a good idea to grow food, or maybe there's going to be more blackouts, or maybe this, that. And a lot of work has been done over the course of a couple of decades by a lot of people. So we bring all that data there so you don't have to reinvent the wheel. And then we bring a lot of great feature writers and stuff. So it got to be big, and we had some big challenges.

We got massively cyberattacked this year. Man, they just laid into us twice this year. And we had some big struggles. But the way it all evolved, and one of my lines is like, evolve or perish, you know, grow up or die. And one of my big spiritual lessons now is about letting go. It's letting go that really gives me more options. Isn't it fun that you figure that out later in life?

Everybody does. Oh, yeah. When you're young, it's like the big problem. I spent 21 years in 12-step, and I lived that program. So letting go came to be something you practice when confronted with, you know. So letting go of collapse, that turned out to be perfect. I gave the ownership back to the, you know, and I'm out completely, but now they don't have to pay my salary, and they're all on their own, and they're just so energized,

and they're just so on fire. And now I get to step back a little bit because I'm a tired motherfucker. I've been at this a long time. Do you ever put nice stories on, like happy stories? Sure we do. Like someone found a box of kittens, and they were purring. All of them had beautiful smiles. We went home, and they had a great day.

And a new episode of Game of Thrones was on and we watched it and it was awesome. And they had Fox magic. Here's you. What kind of music is that, Brian? It's a Fox magic song. Oh, okay. Okay. We have a sound for it now.

Do you think it's possible that civilization won't collapse? Is it possible that we're just stumbling and that we'll balance out? Is that possible? Absolutely, totally. That's one of the reasons why I'm going through this big change. Not only did I, in two books and the movie and everything else, kind of predict all of this stuff based upon a model that said that that means civilization is collapsing. So if you see these symptoms, there's a pretty good chance that's what the disease is.

But now, just recently, Fukushima is so totally out of control. Reactor number two is so hot that any robots they send to the reactor get fried. And so they can't get into work on this melted core that's lying at the bottom. And then they've said no machines that can handle that radiation have even been designed yet. Oh, okay, that leaves Reactor 2 out. Building 4 with all the raw...

I think it's amazing that someone made nuclear reactors in the first place. I think it's amazing. You know, I did a joke about it in my act, but it really is fascinating that you can build something like that that you can't shut off. That someone allowed them to build something like that

where in some unmeasurable event where the power gets shut off and can't get back on in time, it's fucked forever. There are 450 more reactors around. That's insane. Santa Nofres just had a major breakdown. Where's that?

That's in San Clemente on the way to San Diego. Really? They had a major something? It's down all season. So you guys in Los Angeles are going to be having some humongous blackouts this summer. Really? And brownouts. Yeah.

I'm surprised. See, we had that on CollapseNet, but they hide it from you in the mainstream news here. That's why CollapseNet's so good at what we do. Whoa. So because of the—what's wrong with the reactor? That's the one that you see when you drive down to San Diego? Reactor number two at San Onofre right by Camp Pendleton. It's a weird feeling to drive by and see a nuclear reactor.

Reactor two, there was problems with the cooling pipes, and then I think they were checking another reactor. Gee, the x-rays showed some faulty piping. But now, so the reactor is offline indefinitely. It is such a stupid fucking idea. The idea that you can make something you can never shut off, that you would do that. That's so arrogant. It's so incredibly arrogant because if it fucks up and people are like,

well, most of the time it's clean and safe. What are you banking on? If you look at the permanence of any fuck up, what a massive amount of time it takes before that area is not deadly to go near. If you look at the fuck up that's we're talking about thousands of years japan is dead japan is mortally wounded and i've been saying so and it's clear japan's economy is imploding they they they are now a net importer their debt is like 280 percent of gd and how are they getting their power now ah very good question japan has

replaced uh was that a japanese impression by the way no i can do better one if you like don't do that no no no okay so so japan was happened? What, they're running emergency diesel widely, which is, diesel's a whole separate issue worldwide. But they're running diesel, they're burning now fuel oil and coal oil, which, excuse me, two grades of oil. But, and they're importing liquefied natural gas. Now, that's where you build this $450 million floating gigantic bomb of liquefied natural gas, and you float it across. And, you know, one of those things is almost the size of an atom bomb if it goes off. Oh, my God.

So this is energy desperation. So crazy. And when you talk about diesel, you know, don't buy diesel now. And here's why. Diesel shortage all over the world. In India, they got 30,000 generators to handle blackouts at the Taj Mahal and the city that's around there. We ran that story twice on CollapseNet. And there's so many blackouts in India and Pakistan.

They're all burning diesel and they're short of coal. I mean, it's happening all around the world right now. But diesel is in really short supply. What are they going to do with all these nuclear power plants? They can't shut them down, right? There's no way you can't, like, you can't shut it off. Well, if you combine that, let me just take you a little bit further ahead to where the point of all this is going. Okay.

Because from four different directions, they ain't going to shut the nuclear power plants off. They can't control what they got. Because electricity is industrial civilization. You don't have industrial civilization without it. It just seems so ridiculous to put something like that in an area where it's close to humans. It's the idea that you can completely contain that insane amount of energy. It's like, it's so

arrogant. Okay. That's one prong of a fork. Yeah. Fukushima. Here's the second prong. AIDS? What happened to AIDS? AIDS just petted out. AIDS came out of the gate like Tyson. You know, AIDS was killing people left and right, but now you hardly What happened to AIDS? AIDS just petted out. AIDS came out of the gate like Tyson. AIDS was killing people left and right,

but now you hardly hear about AIDS anymore. It's the best diet in Hollywood right now. It also generates a lot of medical money in the medical business. Do you ever read that Peter Duesberg stuff? Long time. Do you know who he is? He's the biologist from the University of California, Berkeley, and his claim is something along the lines of that HIV is like a weak virus. I may be paraphrasing here,

in that when you're seeing it in people, most likely it's because they have a weakened immune system, that a strong, healthy immune system fights off HIV fairly easily, that it's not the culprit of AIDS, but rather a symptom of a depleted immune system that's from a variety of different things. And, you know, it's a crazy argument, because if it's true, it's like, how could only this guy be figuring that out? This one biologist and all these other guys, they haven't noticed that?

I don't trust. Is it that tricky? I don't trust any of the science behind modern medicine. But is that possible? That's not possible, though, right? I mean, it's not possible that AIDS is a hoax. That's not possible. It's not possible that it's-

It is definitely possible that it was man-made. Right, but it's a real disease, right? It is definitely possible that it was intentionally released. You really, you feel like that? Yeah, I've seen, this goes way, way back to like the 90s when I saw these, but these were WHO documents showing the first outbreak of AIDS. And superimposed were WHO vaccination programs, and it was like a perfect match. Wow. Yeah, obviously I'm no biologist,

but I don't see how one guy could be out there saying something like that and all of his peers disagree i mean is that how it works i mean obviously people think that hiv causes aids but in this guy's mind he's like these people were all doing it i think it's is that it was uh drug abuse and you know partying and he was that's what he was attributing to their uh their depleted states but they were doing like crystal meth and poppers and amyl nitrate and stuff. And that apparently is immune system crushing.

This amyl nitrate is something that gay guys like to do. That was big in the 70s. I mean, when I was a cop, I ran into amyl on the street. What would they do? Just pop it and they smell it or something like that? Sam Kennison had a bit about it. This is the story of the funniest dead body I have ever seen in my life. You want to hear the story of the funniest dead body I have ever seen in my life.

You want to hear the story of the funniest dead body I've ever seen in my life? Yes. All right. I swear this is true. I was working Wilshire Division, and I was a P3. I had two stripes. And every Christmas, the cops from one division will go cover for another division when it has its Christmas party.

So we were covering for Hollywood Division's Christmas party. So I'm driving up around in Hollywood, and we get a call, 6A42, meet the RA, dead body, such and such address, maybe on Cherokee or something. So the RA is a rescue ambulance. So we pull up, and it's a three-story, standard California, really bare-bones interior courtyard, open balconies. It's up on the third floor. And so me and my partner, we go walking down.

And I noticed that the paramedics are just outside laughing their asses off. They're down on their knees. They're laughing so hard. Okay. And I'm going, okay, guys guys this is the dead body call right yeah and i said what they point and i so i go in and there's this dead guy on the floor and he was uh i would say young 20-ish light-skinned african-american guy American guy in a Fredericks of Hollywood negligee. Holla.

And he was laying on the floor and kind of spread eagle and I look and there is a broomstick protruding from you know where, okay? But there's only about a foot of it protruding from you know where. Oh, God. about a foot of it protruding from you know where and and so the table had been pushed up against it was easy to figure it he I guess this was before a man could buy a sex toy or something I don't know but he had been up masturbating on the table with the broom and the purpose of the Emil was to strike it right as you come. Right. But what it does is it gives you an involuntary back spaz.

Oh, no. Oh, my God. That's my Amel nitrate story. And the broomstick went up his ass and killed him. He looked satisfied. What a way to go, man. Yeah, there's been a bunch of dudes that have gone asphyxiation style, right? That's like the NXS guy. And that's actually pussy shit.

David Carradine. David Carradine. Yeah. That's actually pussy shit because a real guy would do it the other way with the broom coming at you from the Bristol Park side. That's the real way to do it. Wow, like a man. Yeah, like a man. Like a man in man West Hollywood shit

that's how gay Samoans handle it right of passage you gotta use a broom the other way humor was good fudge magic that's a dumb way to die one of the things I heard is

the big conspiracy would be that if you wanted to shame a person, you would kill them and make it look like they died masturbating like an idiot. I mean, that's like in a couple of NWA songs. Yeah, just leave a bunch of gay porns around. That would be the ultimate joke if you found your buddy dead. You're like, all right, he's dead. So listen, there's nothing i can do about that but what i can do is put his dick in his hand and put a bunch of gay porns all

around him and then take pictures of him and then put it online like i got you the last i got the last one bitch i got the last one come on that would be high hilarious like lipstick on like because if you knew you know if you knew that guy and you loved him, it's like the one last joke you can get out of him. That's so fucked up. It's so fucked up. It's so fucked up, but it would be hilarious. That's cold.

You got to have a good sense of humor. Come on, man. That's hilarious. All right. I remember that. You remember that. Yeah, I remember that too, bitch. That sucks.

Why do you even release that into the net? There's already photos of you out there with dicks in your hand and your mouth. And that's the golden rule of the internet. Yeah, but imagine a real life conspiracy against you. Neo, it's not real. Michael Rupert went with the sunglasses on. That's when he's going to get deep. Isn't that a weird thing that that's a cool guy thing to wear your deep. Isn't that a weird thing like that that's a cool guy thing to wear

your sunglasses? Isn't that a weird thing? I'll tell you one thing. What about that new meme where the sunglasses come down? Deal with it. I love it. What is that? Where did it come from? I love it too, but where did it originate? I don't know. What is that from? I don't know. Deal with it. It's everywhere

though. I see it all over the place. Sunglasses drop down. Deal with it. It's beautiful. But how did sunglasses get to be cool? I don't even. Deal with it. It's everywhere, though. I see it all over the place. Sunglasses, drop down, deal with it. It's beautiful. But how did sunglasses get to be cool? I don't even know what that means. Deal with it. What that means is whatever you have issue with, why don't you just fucking deal with it and leave me alone?

Okay. Deal with it. Get out of my face? Well, he's a cool guy. He's got his sunglasses on. Get out of my face. He's just super cool. Yeah.

But how does that make you cool why how did sunglasses become something that makes you cool because you look different you had your eyes or you look like now you look like a fly you look like a bug and you know i've been wearing what you do right there those are actually pretty dope no these record hd but those are oakleyys, right? No. No, they're not? No, they're just video camera glasses. That is amazing. That's HD. What a world we live in.

Yeah. How long before you get a chip in your eyeball that just does that and you don't have to have? Seven days. Well, this is probably going to be, we're going to be inserting shit into our bodies eventually. They're going to give you something that just works way better. Like this, all you need is this one little microprocessor in your body, and you will never have a disease again. It's just bing.

You have like this microprocessor that regulates your body. They put it right in your pituitary gland, and it regulates your body like a little micromessenger. And then that shit's going to start getting viruses. But every 10 years, they have to give you brain surgery and open it up to change the battery. What do you think? Yeah.

Yeah, but imagine if that computer. Oh, help joe imagine that computer inside you that computer inside you fixes all the disease and all the shit and then that computer gets a virus that computer gets a virus and then so you have to start making medicine to help that computer so you put robots inside that it gets a virus it turns you gay yeah imagine that they had a virus and all of a sudden you just could not stop your gay urges. That would probably be the first thing, virus, right?

The gay virus. What if John Travolta had that and all this time people are just being mean to him and they don't know that he has a disease?

He has a genetically designed disease from the Russians, maybe. If you wanted to do that, make someone super aggressively gay. The government has worked on this, right? This is not a joke. Michael Rupert would back me up.

Remember during Iraq, they were trying to figure out how to make a gay bomb. This is not a joke. They have... I can pretty much guarantee that with all of the hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars that the black ops community has had to work with in the secret budget all these years they have

tried every stupid fucking thing in the world you could think of this this idea was that they were gonna be able to uh spray something down like something blows up over these guys it sprays all over them and it makes them gay i mean they were really like looking into the possibility of that they thought it would like demize them. Did they ever hear about the Greeks and the Romans? Some of the greatest fucking soldiers of all time? They were boning each other constantly. The samurais boned each other, too.

Dudes boned dudes back then, and they were cutting heads off every day. That's a wild time. You can't think that making these people gay is going to make them better fighters. They're going to fight for their boyfriend now. Fuck you up, man. That's what the system does

with pretty much everything. It takes something and it bends it. It twists it so that you accept a way to look at it that is a basic fundamental lie anyway. I don't think gay or non-gay has shit to do with how good a warrior you are. Exactly.

There's a lot of gay dudes who can beat the fuck out of you. No doubt about it. I got my ass kicked once by a dyke as a cop. What? I did. Yeah. On Christ, she was 6'2", and she could bench like 260 or something. Oh, my God.

Did you underestimate her? Did she charge you? Like, what happened? We just called. It was a 415 fight at a bar, and it was. What does 415 mean? That's a place called for disturbance, you know. Is 420 really pot?

No. That had nothing to do with police. No? What is that? That's a colloquialism. It's a native, you know. But as far as LAPD, no, I never heard of 420. How did 420 become pot?

Anybody? There's probably a good history behind that. It might be a code in some county in Northern California. Okay, so I'm sorry. So 415 comes out. Yeah. You go to visit.

It's a lesbian bar. It's a giant dike. We go in, and there's a fight, and she was fighting somebody else, and I go to step in, and she's,

and she, I'm going, went flying back across the room. Man, you gotta be really careful, because big women can knock you the fuck out. That's for real. There's some big women out there that can knock you the fuck out.

I know a chick that's only like 130 plus pounds, maybe like 140. My friend Tommy Jr.'s girlfriend, Katie. And she can punch a fucking hole in your face, man. This chick knows how to punch. And she's a strong girl. There's girls out there that can fuck you up. You've got to be careful especially if they sucker punch you oh that's terrible there's a great video though of some fucking asshole who's yelling and screaming at this woman and she grabs him by the collars and headbutts him and knocks him unconscious

it was like a security camera in front of a bar the guy was just being a drunk douchebag and the girl it was the girl was badass, man. She was like a fucking character in a movie. Cool. I mean, she wasn't a big girl, but she grabs him by the collar and just fucking headbutts him right in the chin and the dude goes out.

It was hilarious. Yeah, it's a beautiful video. Have you ever seen it, Brian? Mm-mm. Pull it up because there's not even any audio. It's probably girl headbutts guy KO. Yeah, maybe. I don't know why I'm asking you to find that.

It's probably a billion of those, right? How many videos online are there about girls headbutting a guy and knocking him out? I could find it. Well, you know I am the only guy in the history of the Los Angeles Police Department to have been bitten in the left testicle in the line of duty. Really? Oh, Jesus. The only guy ever? Was it as far as I know?

Is it because your right had your hand on it and you were massaging it? No. No? No. Why did someone bite your ball? This was in a day when angel dust was on the street. Oh, Jesus. PCP.

PCP. Oh, my God. It's the worst drug I've ever seen in my life. What is the effects for the unwashed PCP. Oh my God. It's the worst thing I've ever seen, drug I've ever seen in my life. What is the effects for the unwashed masses? Oh my God. Well, it was supposed to be, it was designed as an elephant tranquilizer. That ain't the way it works in humans. It's a powerful hallucinogenic, but it gives people a feeling of superhuman strength and they have it. They display it. You get a real thin sheen of perspiration, and you get this glassy eye look just like this. That's how I look all the time.

And these guys would throw five or six cops around. They would pull fire, stupid strength things, and quite frequently they had to be shot because they wouldn't stop. I have a friend who got his finger bitten off when he was on PCP. So we got a call. A Wilshire sergeant was requesting a backup. It was just south of the station, south of La Brea in Venice there, a few blocks.

And we go rolling up. And here's this sergeant, Tim Wright, who was 6'5". He's just backed into a corner in this apartment. And here's this little bitty black guy, about 5'8", like Sammy Davis Jr. But he's holding like a 35-inch color console television set above his head. Those things were heavy. I mean, he's like, ah. And right away you know it was dust.

And I was known as the fire sergeant. The sergeant says, Rupert, get him. So like five of us went in there, and it was just like one of the cartoon melee things. Oh, God. We finally got him handcuffed and then flexicuffed around his ankles, you know, the plastic cuffs. Called an ambulance, put him on the gurney,

two canvas straps on the gurney, one over like torso and one over thighs or knees. All right. So we figure we got him. We take him out to the ambulance. Now, I stand up, but, you know, when you're lifting the gurney to raise it into the ambulance, you pull it up to your ear. Oh, no.

Oh, no. So he broke the canvas strap over his legs. Oh, my God. And everybody went back to his legs. And they went, wow. He went like that. Oh, my God. He bit your ball sack.

Holy shit. What is the recovery on something like that? It hurt a lot. Nothing was damaged, but the fear. It must have been horrific. Just looking down for your first time yeah so yeah I wound up having the nickname of inspector Clouseau not now okay though you know I got needin a dick once in jiu-jitsu and I didn't know how bad it was this before I used to wear a cup now I wear a cup smart man yeah and um I I didn't realize how bad it was until after I was done training it

fucking hurt like hell but I I figured it's just me being a bitch because I got hit in the dick you know like oh my poor dick you know because that's how you think like it's just it's like it's extra sensitive it's my baby are you wearing a dixie I wasn't wearing anything I was wearing a jockstrap and then deep hand I'm not I. I was wearing a jockstrap. Oh, I didn't think you were a cop. I mean, I was wearing clothes. I should be the kind of wrestling you're doing, boy. And my friend Einstein was passing my guard, and he slammed his knee. And, you know, he's trying to pass his knee through my legs, and he just miscalculated and caught my dick.

And I didn't realize how bad it was until I was taking a leak after training, and blood was all over my jockstrap my jockstrap was like filled with blood and I was like oh great my dick's bleeding this is awesome so like a retard I didn't even go to the doctor instead what I did was I went to see if I could beat off I'm like well if I could beat off my dick has to be good it can't be broken if I could beat off and I beat off successfully and it didn't even hurt that much. And when I came, it was like blood and cum together like I had a chicken, like a little chicken egg. So I said, all right, well, let's see if this heals up.

If it feels even a little bit funny tomorrow, I'm going to the doctor. So I peed blood for like two or three more days. But I felt great. So I was just checking for any inflammation or feeling of irritation or I think, you know, you just heal up. It's like, would I go to the doctor

if I did that with my nose? And the answer was no. Because I've done it with my nose a hundred times. I would have drank a lot of orange juice and tried to make orange pee. You know what I mean? Try to make lemonade? Yeah.

It would be like pink lemonade. No, but seriously, that's something that you probably didn't want to get checked out because you didn't want them to have to put something in your penis hole or something like that. No, I didn't want to be a pussy. I mean, if it was my ear, I wouldn't go to the doctor. If it was my nose, why am I going to the doctor if it's my dick? I wouldn't want to go to the doctor if it's infected. What are they going to do? How are they going to fix it?

What are they going to do? Are they going to put a splint on it? Joey Diaz's finger. Take two popsicle sticks and send it back in like a wounded soldier yeah um i don't i don't know what the fuck they would do i i it was nothing wrong with it it was just hurt you know what i mean it just needed to heal up but if it was hurt if it was more than that i would have noticed after a while i would have felt i was pretty sensitive that's a great physical metaphor for what happens emotionally a few times in your life. When you get kicked in the dick, you heal up, hopefully.

Yeah, you heal up, hopefully. Yeah, hopefully. That's a good physical metaphor for that. Yeah, it's very difficult for people to accept the idea that sometimes people don't want to be around them. Some people aren't meant for each other. Their fucking personalities clash and some people have different ideas. It's very difficult to find someone

that you can hang with for any long period of time. Definitely. We just got to learn to be nicer about the whole process. You know, it's the getting kicked in the dick emotionally. You got to figure out how to

cut back on some of that. I'll bet for you. You know, I had a party recently at my house, a little kid's party, and a couple friends came over, including two friends that are exes. They're ex-boyfriend and girlfriend, married to different people now, but still great friends. And it's so cool to see that, when people can act like that

and can actually really be close friends. Like their kids play together. They go out to dinner together. They go out to dinner together. They go on double dates together. They're genuinely friends. So it is possible. But God damn, for the most part, most of them end up like fucking like those air shows where they touch wings and just fucking go into the crowd in a ball of fire.

You ever go to an air show, man? You ever go to an air show? Oh? You ever go to an air show? Oh, yeah. I grew up in an Air Force family. Jesus Christ. And I've been to quite a few. Have you ever seen a wreck like that? No.

Thank God. Whew. What kind of jets did you fly in? I didn't. My father didn't. You've never been in one? Not in a fighter jet, no. I did a thing for the Blue Angels.

They would take celebrities up. Oh, cool. Yeah, we. I did a thing for the Blue Angels. They would take celebrities up. Oh, cool. Yeah, we went seven and a half Gs. Yeah, and they don't wear suits either, man. When they do their shit, they don't. Most places they wear some sort of a compression suit that allows you to deal with the pressure, but they don't wear them.

They just do it all with their body. They have to be really in shape. They're in really good shape. A lot of isometrics, though. All kinds of, I mean, gymnastics, lifting weights.

You have to really strengthen your body just to deal with the G-force. It's fucking incredible, man. The feeling is, it's amazing how much pressure it is when you realize that going fast doesn't just, it doesn't come free.

If you want to really go that fast, you have to move your body in a way that it's completely unaccustomed to moving through the universe. Like, the amount of pressure that comes from that kind of speed. It's, like, monumental. It's hard to even wrap your fucking head around. I love it. Dude, seven and a half Gs is insane. And it feels like consciousness literally feels like an elevator door. You can see black on each side.

It's a crazy feeling, man. But when they wreck, they wreck hard. I remember my dad was a radar intercept officer in F-89s and F-90s. Those are two-seat interceptors. He used to fly up over the North Pole waiting for the Russians to attack during the Korean War. That was his mission. Wow. And we saw a few UFOs and some strange things.

Jesus. Anyway, but so the worst, and it was all Air Force. So it was in late 70s, early 80s, the Thunderbirds were doing a five formation loop, ground loop, and something went off and all five flew straight into the ground simultaneously. Oh, my God. And that was like, you just go. Oh, my God. Whoa.

Oh, my God. Holy shit, that's crazy. Words fail. That's crazy. Yeah. What happened? How the fuck does that happen? Something, I'm not going to say.

It wasn't a combination of pilot error and mechanical failure. Because everybody follows the lead. Oh, my God. Nobody else is paying any attention to anything except the lead. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. That is so fucking crazy. Yeah.

That's hard to even think about that's one of those things it's hard to wrap your head around you know what that must have been like to be a part of and know that it's happening like right before the fucking plane hits the ground yeah they didn't even you know they might have had a microsecond to know the guy that uh took me on the blue angels flight was a bad motherfucker i wish wish I could remember his name. I have it at home. It's on a signed photo. But we went through these canyons. And we were going. It was so fast.

It was ridiculous. And we're only like a couple hundred feet off the ground. And it's just. And you realize what those things can do. And just think about if you were on the ground. And one of those motherfuckers was looking for you. Holy shit. God damn that's scary.

One of those fighter jets looking for you while you're on the ground would have to be one of the most frightening things ever. Well, they fly too fast. I mean, this is where I have some expertise because of the life I've led hanging with some green beanie guys. They can't see anything? They fly too fast? They fly too fast. They fly too fast. So you need helicopters. Yeah, well, you would want a helo with a FLIR,

forward-looking infrared radar for night. That's a third-gen night vision where you can pick out the heat moving very easily. Could they use, like, a blimp or something, just float it up above the sky and get a big view of the sky? They're doing all that that shit are they really they're they're that little microcopters and they they got all the money it's like jack nicholson

and batman where do they get all the toys you know they just that's what they do why do they feel like they have to control things so much why is that because there have to be so many so much resources spent on this aspect of society? It's the infinite growth monetary paradigm, but it's also people who have control, if you will. Some will call them the powers that be. I'm getting to call them the powers that were because they're failing monumentally.

But they must maintain control. Otherwise, all of the crimes that have been committed for eons will come starkly clear to a lot of people all at once. That's like the awakening of the hundredth monkey, like, holy shit, we human beings really have been farmed. What is that expression, the awakening of the hundredth monkey? Because I've heard it more than once. Well, that was in the dock collapse.

And after the Second World War, and they were playing with the atom bombs, they wanted to see how long it would take to repopulate an island. So they went back to this island four or five years after, and then they introduced trees and they got things growing. Then they brought in like 10,000 monkeys to see how they would survive. There was enough for everything, but the coconuts were slightly radioactive on the husks. So the safe way to eat the coconut was to wash it in the stream. And they taught like 10 monkeys to wash the coconut.

And they taught like 10 monkeys to wash the coconut. And then other monkeys look, and pretty soon there's 15, and then 47, and then 200, excuse me, 88. But when they reached the 100th monkey, all 10,000 got it all at once. Everybody just went, oh, yeah, okay. So then they all started washing the coconuts. Yeah, and that's a parable about... You didn't tell me this story the last time you were here, did you? No, no. It was in the movie.

That's what it was, okay. But so that's a metaphor that's a parable about a radical shift in consciousness. And right now, a radical shift in human consciousness is the only thing that can possibly save us. And there's a part of me, for all of the stuff that I've done bringing the bad news, which was my mission, that was my duty for like 30 years, was like to warn. And now the Fox Medicine spiritual message says they've had all the warnings they're going to get. now the Fox Medicine spiritual message says they've had all the warnings they're going to get. But now I'm also very aware that this change of consciousness is happening. And I'm seeing enormously encouraging signs of that. One day, we won't have to think about how we

suddenly try to get governments to be honest or, you know, one day, listen, this government right now, one day is going to be embarrassing. It's going to be embarrassing. They're going to look back. It is. I agree. All of them have been. We're going to look back on this time with shame because the people that are running this country,

this very small percentage of the people, they're not going to be able to maintain it. There's too much access to information these days. It's not the same animal as it was when this whole monster was created. If you look, Joe, anywhere in the world, every government is failing. There is not a government anywhere in the world that's succeeding. Because the way they're set up is ridiculous. The whole thing is ridiculous. And after a while, people just can't take the inequity of it. People snap everywhere.

Even this one, the best one there is. Without a doubt i think america is the best setup there is i love it here it's the greatest country in the world but god damn it could be better it could be better by a million fold it could easily be better i don't think america can be fixed that doesn't mean that i'm un-american what i mean is i think the united states of america as it's operating now, is not fixable. Well, it's set up on a bullshit financial system. That's a real big part of it. It's utterly corrupt. I'm Thomas Jefferson here.

I'm saying this. Thomas Jefferson said you need a revolution every generation. Have you ever thought about just moving to Hawaii and saying, fuck you? Have you ever thought about doing that? No, no. I spent four months in Venezuela. That was an unusual story. But no, I'm up in Northern California.

That's where I'm staying. Staying? Yeah. Until the asteroid comes. I'm planting my ass in there. They're going to have to come by the bulldozer and take me out of there. You're out there making it happen, dude think are you sure that this is all going to fall apart though it is falling apart what are the but what is the possibility that something

can happen that can pull us out of the fire something that's going to keep us from the only slamming into the mountain the only thing that can keep us from slamming into the mountain is for the human race collectively to see it slamming itself into the mountain the only thing that can keep us from slamming into the mountain is for the human race collectively to see it slamming itself into the mountain and decide to do differently it's got to be a change of consciousness it's this is not going to be a message written in a letter put out in a broadcast put out everybody's got to get it i personally think the internet itself is very psychedelic in the fact that it's responsible for a massive expansion of human consciousness, not from a drug form, but from an information form. The fact that the access to information is so spectacular and so the whole viral aspect of it.

I think that that human beings right now is a very rare time. We're in a balancing act right now. But I think the information that we're getting from the Internet is expanding consciousness as much, almost, what a massive change in our society has come about because of YouTube and Twitter and Facebook and the interconnectedness of society, the massive extent of it. It's so much different than it was before that. The evolutions via the net are amazing. Amazing. But I think that that's going to influence the way the government works. I think it's going to influence the people that are in positions of power. I think it's slowly going to influence the the way the government works i think it's going to influence who are the people that are in positions of power i think that's slowly going to root out the old

the old system that's in place was all all these fuckers were around before the internet all of them except obama the old obama you know he should have been just a little bit he's a little bit older than me so he was a grown man while the Internet came out. Maybe it was too late for him, too. Maybe it's one more generation after this where they realize you can't fucking lie anymore because there's new technology that lets you read thoughts, and then everything has to be done transparently. I don't think it's going to take anywhere near that long. This whole system is going to collapse because it will be satisfied with nothing less.

It's seeking its own death. It's doing everything to kill itself. Intellectually, anything running this world right now is being defeated. Do you think that's because the current people are greedy and they're just looking out for themselves and trying to just score short term and just get out because that's where the money's at, Michael Rupert?

I think that they're trying to... That was good, right? That was good. I think that they're trying to do anything they can to hold on to what power and what information they have. Because they do not want the power or the information that they have to be shared. And it's a total desperation move. And they're going to fail.

If I was a doctor for the world and I looked at this problem and I was like, hmm, I see what you got. This is a bunch of cunts that haven't done mushrooms and they're running things. That's what it is. You have a bunch of old, greedy fuckheads that are just unpsychedelically inclined. They've never had consciousness-expanding experiences. They don't know the beauty and the love that you get from a psychedelic experience with friends where you realize how much of the way you behave and live and interact with people is just insecurity.

It's just stupidity. It's nonsense. I'm not sure that would cure everything. It would cure it all, baby. I'd like to give 7 billion doses of DMT. Yeah, I think it would kill the ego. I mean, that's really what you have to do. There you go. You have to kill the ego. I mean, that's really what you have to do. There you go.

You have to kill the ego. That's the dilemma. That's the issue. And that's why I'm writing a third book now. Well, that's why everybody hates a chicken hawk. You know, the idea of someone who wants to send people into battle that's never been in battle themselves. Well, of course you're so confident. Of course you're so aggressive about this.

This is not yours to risk. You know, the ego has not – you don't understand what war is. Maybe if you had been there, you would have a completely different sort of appreciation of it. You wouldn't be so callous and it wouldn't be such an easy option. No, I've come to a darker conclusion than that, Joe. And that is that these people literally look at us as cattle, expendable cattle that have been farmed for millennia. This is real Orwell. This is what it really is all about.

Human beings are born and bred to be slaves and consumers to generate wealth. And that's the way it's always been roughly since we started doing money this way. But who are they? since we started doing money this way. But who are they? Is it a they or is it just a series of shit choices that have left us in a situation where people are copying things? You know, there was a thing we talked about really recently on this show about the Salem witch trials.

So the Salem witch trials, there was a woman who wrote a paper for a history class that sort of solved one of the major puzzles of the Salem witchcraft trials. And it was that there was an ergot poisoning of food. It was causing people to have LSD type effects and that they thought that this was responsible for the original murders. But then they kept it up as a tradition for years later. Then it became a hysteria. And then even though people weren't even ergot poisoned, it would actually become learned behavior. And I think that in situations like where you have greedy business people and they set up corporations and there's patterns

of learned behavior that come about from the way these corporations interact with their consumers and the environment that they have their businesses set up in, and that this momentum gets carried away to a point where the greed and the bottom line supersedes human nature. It supersedes the idea that you are a group of people. And, you know, in the documentary, the corporation, they went over this, that a corporation tends to act as a sociopath. Well, I think we just have to make everyone aware of the accountability of their actions in that situation and remove that. Remove that as a design. Remove that diffusion of responsibility that you can get by being a part of a big group that does

something really fucked up, but you don't feel responsible because you're just one piece. From my spiritual perspective, and let me just add that my DMT journey, my cans just went crazy. What did you do to my headphones? What happened? What happened? My cans just went. I went into an echo chamber.

It's cool. You all right? You all right? You hear it now? It's on right now. I don't hear anything. Okay. It's Fox match.

You never, it's Fox, yeah. That's my dog, Rad. For the folks listening on iTunes, there was a photo of him, Michael, with his dog, and he's got the glasses on, and he's dealing with it. His dog has a fox face. That's brilliant.

That's very funny. That's awesome. DMT trip on the message board. I want a copy of that. What is his name? DMT trip? DMT underscore trip. Thank you, buddy.

I don't know if he made it, but whatever. What was I talking about? Fox magic? No. Somehow or another, it came up. What were we talking about? Oh, DMT. I approach that very spiritually.

I do medicine journeys as part of my spiritual practice. And it's very important for me that I always approach medicine with a clear intent, and it's always to seek and learn something. You better. Yeah. You better respect it. Yeah. You have to respect psychedelic trips.

If you think you're the shit and you can handle it, it'll fucking throw you. No, no. There's a lot of people that I've noticed that don't do that. Well, there's a lot of people that, well, listen to me, man. If you left hammers around, a lot of people are going to use them to build houses. Some people are going to break car windows with them. Some people are just going to hit trees. Some people are retarded.

Well, even close friends of ours, it's like they go do it and go to the UFC. And I'm like, man, that's crazy. You don't want that. Do you really want that? You do if you're with Joey Diaz. You do. I would say yes. I would say if you didn't do it,. Do you really want that? You do if you're with Joey Diaz. You do. I would say yes. I would say if you didn't do it, what are you, a pussy?

If you're a real Hunter S. Thompson fan, you're a fan of Hunter S. Thompson and Joey Diaz wants to do mushrooms with you at the UFC, do fucking mushrooms with him. What are you, crazy? Of course. That's not respecting the spiritual trip to me. Yes, the fuck it isn't. What a grand opportunity that is in life to do mushrooms at the UFC with Joey Diaz. God damn it. That's the best seat in the house.

I thought I had the best seat in the house as a commentator. I don't. The best seat in the house is the dude who gets to eat mushrooms next to Joey Diaz at the UFC. Because you know how funny Joey Diaz would be on mushrooms? He would kill me. It would be a nonstop chuckle fest. Everyone would just be howling, laughing, and you'd get to watch the UFC at the same time.

I might have a panic attack. It sounds like the greatest day on earth. You might have a panic attack. I think that it's just too many people. I like being with nature. If I'm going to go on any kind of spiritual trip, I want nature. I want to be able to escape.

I like how you're talking about spiritual trips while you're smoking a cigarette. It is a spiritual trip. It's just not. It's a shitty one. It's a tobacco trip. It is if you're a native. Yeah, sure. Tob's just not it's a shitty one it's a tobacco trip it is if you're a native yeah sure tobacco holds a there's a strong ritual for well it also um is a part of the ayahuasca ritual for some reason like a lot of ayahuasca arrows i think that's how they say

them they they they blow tobacco smoke on people it's part of the whole uh thing yeah i mean nicotine or the tobacco in of itself and even nicotine has proven to have some really positive health effects. I think there's something about nicotine that actually is good for your heart. It's not nicotine that's really the problem. It's like caffeine. Caffeine's not bad if you have just a little bit. If you're fucking crazy, you're drinking Red Bulls all day. Check this.

I'm 61. I smoke. everybody knows that okay my uh i just had a physical resting blood pressure was 60 or blood pulse rate was 60 that's incredible resting that's really good blood pressure was 120 over 70 really good shape do you do a lot of exercise uh it's pretty low i eat really really really good and and then i exercise as much i'm weed whacking two and a half acres now so that's that's work that is work you know and yeah i mean you know george foreman when he was training for fights used to chop wood it's a well-known fact you know it's like real work real work is hard work no shit that gets you in shape man that's a pretty low resting heart rate, though. Yeah, so, you know, what I'm saying is I'm just real sick of buying into all the propaganda I'm sold about everything. Because the way the people that run this world operate is they do it 90% truth and 10% bullshit.

And because you're not trained to separate the bullshit, the bullshit winds up steering you. And because you're not trained to separate the bullshit, the bullshit winds up steering you. One of my favorite articles that came out during the time that the Patriot Act was administered was on CNN. They were talking about how the CIA has announced that it's going to leak fake news stories in order to send terrorists in the wrong direction. And I remember reading that, and I was like, wow, that's like game over. They just came out and said, we're going to lie to you. That was right at the same time

that CNN let it be known that the Department of Defense was permanently stationing military intelligence personnel in the CNN newsroom. Whoa. I screamed about that at From the Wilderness. That was my newsletter for eight years. We had some great people there. We were just kicking Bush Cheney in the balls every chance we could get.

Why was it From the Wilderness? Why did you call it From the Wilderness? Because for my personal story, I had, you know, I'd been trying to expose CIA was bringing drugs into the country for like 18 years, and nobody had listened to me. Then Gary Webb's story was broken. I confronted the CIA director at Locke High School, and the game changed a little bit. So I started FTW like a year and a half after I confronted John Deutch. And I was a voice crying in the wilderness, but I was the guy from the wilderness that nobody had listened to. And then, you know, and so that came to stand for, over the course of my career, many hundreds of people and organizations who were all voices in the wilderness and nobody was listening

to. And damn, we got it all right, you know. And there's some just amazing people i've met along the way it's an interesting name i remember when i when i first found out about i was like what the fuck is what's that from the wilderness i was like it sounds very unabomber-esque sounds like you know like you're out there this was before staring at the disease society out in the distance yeah no this this was just uh hey you know pay attention we were pretty successful we got to have 60 members of congress and we broke the pat tillman the whole the whole

cover-up with pat tillman was was a seven-part series we did at ftw and uh that's one of the good things now for me about giving collapse that over to the employees i didn't get a chance to do that with ftw because our computers were smashed in the Tillman series. I mean, police falsified reports, leaked to editors who were having sex with children and defrauding, and they really threw everything, including the kitchen sink, at me up in Ashland. Linked to editors that what? What was that? There was, my computers were smashed in part five of the Tillman series. That's right when we were nailing Donald Rumsfeld.

And he was eventually forced to resign. He was forced to resign because of the Pat Tillman incident? Yeah. That was what did it? Yeah. He just resigned real suddenly, right, when Henry Waxman's Committee on Governmental Affairs was getting ready to call him. What was the issue that he had created? getting ready to call him.

What was the issue that he had created? First of all, if you wanted to have a bad guy in like a Batman movie that was like a bad government guy that was actually evil, would not Donald Rumsfeld be the fucking perfect guy? Dick Cheney's right up there. He's right up there, too. Both of them. So what exactly took place? Well, we eventually nailed it.

The series was being written by stan goff who was my military affairs editor at from the wilderness stan's a retired master sergeant from u.s army special forces delta stan taught at west point stan is just one of the most amazing writers and human beings and really cool people i've ever met in my whole life and uh brilliant guy. And Pat Tillman's mom, Danny, contacted me trying to get in touch with Stan. And I immediately said we'd publish anything. And I drove down to the Tillman house in south of the bay and copied overnight 2,200 pages of Army records that she had been given, all redacted, all blacked out in pages and stuff. But they were in files and sections and all this stuff.

So I returned the papers and drove back up to my offices, and I flew Stan Goff into Ashland, Oregon. And Stan did most of the work, absolutely, because Stan knew it all. So he decoded the documents and figured out who was who and what was what and where was where. I caught some things that helped. But Stan wrote the seven-part series that proved that Stan, that Pat had been killed by friendly fire at close range. Pat had been killed by friendly fire at close range.

And the Silver Star awarded him was, I think that that was probably the most offensive thing for many in the military, was that that Silver Star was fake. That just destroys the value of the Silver Star. And so we broke that story. This is this is similar to what they mean it's been the jessica lynch story they changed that story around too apparently any story that gets released any big story gets doctored up favorably and so this one was an unfortunate incident it wasn't a murder right no one's claiming it was a murder? No. Some people claim it's a murder. I think Danny believes that it's possible that her son was murdered. I think she said so.

She said so to me. It could not have been premeditated because it was in a FUBAR situation. It was not really combat. It was an exaggerated stage play in some respects. There had been some incoming fire, but it was like 300, 400 yards away. A couple of Mooj fired a couple of rounds and ran away. And here, a whole lot of Rangers just started opening up on a lot of everything all at once. This is basically the way that played.

But Pat Tillman's last words when he stood up before he took a three-round burst from a SAW, squad automatic weapon, right here. I mean, it just took his head off. Where, I'm Pat fucking Tillman. And that's not disputed. That's fully in the record. Oh, who was the guy that pulled the trigger? It was a sergeant in his serial.

What was he just, Was he on edge, or was he trying to kill him? I can only speculate here. If you had a speculation. Pat was a really smart guy, and he was honorable. He had seen that the war was all fucked up. It was all lies, and he was disheartened now here he was a pro football star right and and uh quits the nfl and a huge move to join the army to defend his country because he thinks that you know yeah everything that you see in the movies

is how it works out and you're supposed to rise up when your country gets attacked as as a patriotic american he wanted to do his part well let me just continue with that a little bit. And he kept a diary. And so there would naturally be fear that he would come back, rejoin the NFL, and start bad-mouthing the government. But that didn't really factor into it. That could have been controlled in many other ways than that. Pat hung around frequently with Special Forces, and that's kind of a no-no in theater because one group does what they do.

Anyway, that's just the way it works. And I think he was something of a grandstander, you know, a little bit. So you think he was making a lot of noise, and he was pissing some people off, and he was complaining about how fucked up things were, and somebody might have put it to him. Yeah. And I think he became a Ranger before he became a soldier,

and maybe only Rangers would understand that or SF would understand that. But it's a totally Shakespearean tragedy. I mean, it's just like so fucked up all the way around for everybody. Yeah. Did you ever hear the eulogy the brother gave? Mm-hmm. It's pretty intense, too.

I think it was something to the extent of pat you know pat's not in heaven pat's fucking dead something along those lines you know he's an atheist or something i'm glad you didn't know him because then he would have like lipstick all over him and they had pictures like i don't even want to joke about this i don't even want to joke about it unfortunately but you joke about it i almost i came close to but to joke about this I don't even want to joke about it Unfortunately But you would joke about it I almost I came close to But you would joke about it with me

And you didn't know Matt Patel Not if your head got blown off If your head got blown off I wouldn't put a big dick Like damn Should have tried sucking a smaller dick It blew your head off Bitch

That would be the last thing I would do for you But you know Pat Tillman is like an American hero. Right. The whole thing was sad. It was very, it was, you know, it was sad that he, you know, he chose to jump in. And it was sad that it wasn't what he thought it was.

The truth is, is that everything about those wars, the post 9-11 wars. Everything about those wars is fucked up. And when you start off with everything on the floor you're building on, that fucked up, the war that takes place on top of that field can't be anything but more compoundedly fucked up. Right. How do you have a just war when you go into it with, you know, ulterior motives? And lies. Yeah. just war when you go into it with you know ulterior motives and lies yeah it's amazing that

there's a lot like a fucking army of people in jail right now you know it's it's amazing it's amazing that they can get away with that level of corruption and not be accountable it's really but but they do in the world of ones and zeros you know the cartesian world measurable matter and of course we know there's such a thing as spirit. There are things other than matter, but they operate as if everything is matter. That's what we've got to do, man. We've got to bring them into the light. That's what we've got to do.

That's the solution to all of it. It's not like we're going to even fight them. It's like they are us. They're just us in the worst-case scenario, in the worst possible position position doing the wrong thing exactly i think that we are at one of the most epical times in human history of course perhaps all of human history and i really believe that what i said in the movie uh is happening that that our species is being forced to choose whether to evolve or to perish, to grow up or fucking die. Well, it's obvious when you look at what we're doing as far as sucking fish out of the ocean

and depleting resources and polluting things. It's like we're certainly not doing it in a sustainable way right now. And I don't think it's impossible. If we kept the population exactly how it is right now, it might even be possible to run the world the way it is and use the resources. It might be possible. But as we move along, if it's not, how are we doing it right now?

We are overextended. But we're doing it right now. No, no. We are about, everything is imploding right now. Right, but right now, we're doing fine. Right now, we have electricity. I'm on the internet. We, you, here.

We have food. Okay. Not everybody. This is the ego bomb because this is where I've had the hardest trouble getting through to people because they'll say, how long do we have? When is it going to happen? Right. And subconsciously, all they're really saying is,

how long before it fucks with me? Yeah. How long before I'm uncomfortable? Exactly. I want to read books by candlelight. Here we are. But, you know, that's why CollapseNet exists

because we bear witness to the fact that all over Pakistan, cities are having blackouts. I like how you said that, by the way. It was very authentic. Pakistan? Pakistan. Pakistan. Yes.

Blackouts lasting weeks at a time. Same in Mindanao. India, major power blackouts. Right. Civilization is collapsing all around the world. And just because people choose not to hold it in their consciousness don't mean it ain't going on. It is.

So you recognize it as an inescapable trend that only a shift in consciousness can alter. So if the shift of consciousness occurred, how would that alter? What would be the correct thing to do? If the human population was brought into the light and everybody sort of figured it out and said, hey, we have to act responsibly and stop being a bunch of greedy cunts, what would we do? I think it would all spring from a fundamental overriding awareness, not a conviction belief, just awareness. You're living it, you know.

of the oneness of everything, of the connectedness of everything. That's the place where you start. And once you do that, among other things, you overcome the pairs of opposites. Good, bad, rich, poor, fat, thin, whatever, you know, this world of duality. And I think there's some amazing work being done in quantum physics that is totally bearing this out. There's some amazing research out. Amit Gautam is a quantum physicist and a great book out by David Wilcock and other stuff.

A lot of stuff that I kind of became aware of along the way. I think the awareness of that, once it comes or it flowers in the species, and pray God a spirit it does soon, Pray God a spirit, it does soon. We will just automatically stop doing all the stuff that we're doing that's turning this planet into a living hell. Come on, the Gulf of Mexico is totally destroyed. They got shrimp with their guts hanging out in one eye and an eye in their ass and crabs with half a shell. I mean, we've been running the photos of this on CollapseNet.

So climatologically, there are plumes, one, two kilometers across, 20, 30 of them of methane venting directly up from tundra in Siberia. I mean, it's like methane is 20 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than co2 this mess is out of control it's going to come crashing down the only thing because by calculation i had a guest on my radio show great guy um uh professor from arizona state i'm having a brain fart on his name. It'll come up in a minute. Thank you very much. But climatologically, there's an incredible study that says you have

to stop all economic activity now or else everything dies irreversibly as a result result of temperature rise. It's hard science. So, you know, on all these fronts, with all that stuff happening, I just stood back recently and I went, this train wreck cannot be prevented at this level of consciousness. The only thing that can save us now literally is a miracle. Right. A miracle, a revolution of human consciousness. But if that does happen, if there's a revelation, there's a revolution, whatever you would want to call it, if that did happen, what would we do? How would we fix everything? That just seems to me that we have to ship things, okay?

We have to manufacture shit and we have to move it around places because people need stuff. You know, you got to get food to supermarkets. You got to keep growing it. You got to keep a good cycle going on. know you got to get food to supermarkets you got to you got to keep growing it you got to keep it keep a good cycle going on so you got to burn something you got to use something's got to run those engines and then on top of that you have to have at least public transportation and then people are going to want to have cars okay how you going to get all this shit drives you crazy thinking about that don't well it's amazing that we got so out of hand we got out as a, we're like, it's like someone who was just out of college

and you gave them an unlimited MasterCard and you don't have to pay for the first year. And they just fucking went bananas. You know, they went bananas to the point where it's completely unsustainable. And then you realize you have this debt of the way you're living. It's just so disproportionate to your resources. Here's the ultimate kicker to all of this. There are not enough resources in the world to pay off the debt that has been printed since 2008. All the bailouts are debt.

So all the resources in the world, like as far as all the gold, all the diamonds, all the oil. How about iron and copper and food? But energy is the first resource because without energy, you can't use anything else. So that's amazing. So how is that possible that we have an economy that's not based on entirely what anything could be worth? That just shows you how completely full of shit the whole idea of the economy is. If all the resources of the world and you owe more than that, someone got fucked.

Someone fucked you out of the whole world plus. Yes. Think about that. Think about how strong the fuckery is in this economy that is so bad that literally

we owe more than there is value in anything in the world. To pay off. It costs more to make a penny than a penny's worth anything in the world. To pay off. It costs more to make a penny than a penny's worth. The same thing. I mean, seriously.

But here's the catch, too. All of that is founded on a premise of infinite growth. Wow. Infinite growth on a finite planet is not possible. With finite resources. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. Have you ever read Black Gold Stranglehold?

Do you know the premise behind that? Oh, that was, who was that? Was that Jerome Corson? No, that was a disinfo book. Was it really? I had it on my disinfo show. Really? Yeah.

So it was a book that was, it did sound completely ridiculous. I was like, well, how do you, this is the only guy that knows it. The premise was that oil was not a byproduct of fossil fuels. Oh, abiotic, yeah. Yeah, that it was a process of the, it was like literally the blood of the earth. Earth has an endlessly filled creamy nougat center that will satisfy your every desire for as long as your kinky ass should crave it what dirty evil vampire cunts people are we just suck the oil out of the earth

until it's dead that's what we're doing we're running our entire crazy business on the blood of the earth we're like the craziest exactly what it is too yeah it is the blood of the earth oil is life all we're doing is burning ancient sunlight that was stored in life it's all solar energy in one form or another on this planet that's so crazy when you really stop and think about it like that it is oh god it's amazing it's amazing when you really think about what it is why why do you think the natives call it father sky because they were dumb they didn't know about planets there's a lot of shit they didn't know oh yes they did they didn't even have fucking horses, man. We had to give them horses.

Settle down. Fuck's magic. That might be all fake. Listen, man, those are the people that came across the Bering Strait. And it was proven recently, actually, when this Mormon dude tried to flex. Because in the Book of Mormon, whatever the fuck that nonsense that Joseph Smith character wrote when he was 14 years old that everybody followed along with. It was said that they believed that the American Indian

was actually the lost tribe of Israel and that he was going to prove it with a genetic test. So he ran a DNA sequence on the American Indian and most of it is actually Asian. Most American Indians are actually,

they came down from the Bering Strait, Siberia. 1860s running a DNA test, what? No, no, no, recently ran a DNA test on American Indians to find out the origin. Because if they were Israelis, he could like, see, this is the lost tribe of Israel, if they were Semitic. I guess they could find that out.

But it was not. It was most likely that they were Asian. Religions are business. And I really think, overall, Christianity had the best business plan. That's what it boils down to. But what's happening now is people are also beginning to understand that part of this great awakening is that many of us are returning to wisdom that existed before really the word religion even existed it was it was the knowledge of the ancients living in direct connection with this

planet and everything on it you can absolutely you can absolutely learn from other people's revelations that are written down and recorded. But the moment that people start attaching gods to them, you're talking about a bunch of shit you don't really know what the fuck you're talking about. If you're a human being, then you really don't know what you're saying. You're saying a bunch of nonsense. Either you learned something or you didn't. But when you start thinking about things like Mormons or Scientologists

or anything where it's like just even a whiff of crazy, it's like, how do you address that? Do you allow it to happen? Because I'll tell you, I've never met nicer folks than Mormons. Some of the nicest people I know are Mormons. They have a great sense of community in the Mormon church. I've actually been to services before because I had friends that were Mormon. I've been to a Mormon funeral before.

They're very polite and nice people. And if you wanted to find, like, a religion where you said, well, here's a religion that looks like it enhances family life a little bit. They do a lot of things together. There's probably a lot of benefits to it when you get past the fact that it's based on some nonsense fairy tale written by a young con man. by a young con man. Warmen's are also very, very, very smart in that they have focused on food storage and food preparation for a long time. And that is the single most critical factor

for who's going to make it and who's not. There you go, dude. You have to bring everything back to the end of the world. Doom and gloom. Well, no. We need to take you to Disneyland. We might have a wake up before that.

When was the last time you were at Disneyland, man? Oh, my God. You know it works today. need to take you to Disneyland. We might have a wake up before that. When was the last time you were at Disneyland, man? Oh, my God. You know it works today. But you should go to Disneyland before like fucking Planet of the Apes style collapse of civilization happens. And you're out there Mad Maxing it. And you're fucking biodiesel truck. And you pass by the Disneyland when Anaheim is a fucking ghost town. And you have to get in the car because the zombies are coming.

This sounds like a movie. Yeah, it is a movie, bro. Pretty good movie. Woody Housen would be. It's like uh what was that zombie land zombie land zombie land deuce zombie land deuce go to disneyland bring some fox magic yeah yeah just fuck up some zombies at disneyland actually you know if there were places to party i could i can think of a couple more i'd rather party yeah disneyland's beautiful disneyland it's fun it's a great place did you end up going the other day that was awesome yeah i awesome. Yeah, I want to go there.

Yeah, you go during the weekday, man. It's great. Did you use the app? Did you try the app? No, it was really the lines were easy. Well, I go on little kid rides. Oh, that's true. It's a totally different experience.

I'm not waiting for Space Mountain. I'm waiting like 10 minutes to go on the submarine. The submarine. I like the teacups that you spend. Yeah, kids love teacups. Those are fun. Those are fun. Disneyland's fun.

When they're your kids, it's really an amazing thing that happens when you have kids is that you get the actual joy of them having joy. It's really strange. I used to see kids having fun, and I'd go, oh, that kid looks like he's having fun. That looks awesome, and it would make me feel good. But it doesn't make you feel good like you're a little kid experiencing the happiness. When you have a kid and they're happy,, jumping around and laughing and having a good time, you actually experience that feeling. It's like you live through it.

It's amazing. I don't like when kids have that thing where out of nowhere they just start grabbing on your leg and holding on to you. You're like a random stranger kid. You're at the off-garden or something like that and they're just grabbing it. Yeah, it's uncomfortable. You're like,

get your kid. What do I do with it do i start documenting like nothing happened nothing happened does it bite yeah i will i don't want to pick your kid up and have you weird out too right there's some dude just picked up your kid you'd be like hey man what are you doing with the baby what's up god see that what a commentary on this world well yeah absolutely go automatically there. There's so many of us. There's so many of us that the amazing spectrum of human behavior, there are possibilities you can run into people that are completely crazy.

We all have in our day. In the world of martial arts and fighters, I've run into some fucking crazy people. I'm sure your world takes that to the next level times 10 you know being a police officer in los angeles and all the shit that you've seen i mean you're you're like douchebag to nice people ratio that you saw in your line of duty is oh yeah it's fucking hard to hard to keep a profile. Well, that's one of the... There's a Jesuit mystic named Anthony DeMello,

and he has a great line. He says, there comes a point in your life when your options are to either go stark raving and saying commit suicide or become a mystic. I want to be a mystic. Yeah. Well, you are, man. Really?

I think. I wouldn't want to be like the silver surfer dude yeah i want a silver surfer reboot if you could yeah fuck yeah i want it to be like digital like tron style like where it's like like when he's flying there's like digital i enjoyed the first silver surfer it's a good movie yeah reboot that who owns that marvel or the other company i don't know silver but it was wasn't it a part of the Avengers? Or no, not the Avengers. Rather, Fantastic Four? No.

Fantastic Four. Where was the last Silver Surfer? I want to say it was in one of the Fantastic Four movies. No, I was thinking X-Men. X-Men. Maybe it was that. Yeah, it is X-Men. You sure?

Yeah, yeah. It's in one of the X-Men movies. Yeah, yeah. Got to find out which one. Fantastic Four was just that brick dude and that stretchy dude. Yeah. And I was like... Silver Surfer wasn't involved in that?

I don't think so, because I think... I feel like he was. I think Silver Surfer was straight, wasn't he? I think he's like your god or something. Wow. I don't remember the story behind it.

You thought you were going to come on for a serious discussion about the end of the world, didn't you, silly man? No, that's all right. It's okay. This is like a download. I'm just checking what's going on in the world, didn't you, silly man? No, that's all right. It's okay. This is like a download. I'm just checking what's going on in the universe around here.

Well, listen, I just think it's possible that a lot of people, okay? Here's a funny thing. When you're worried about the end of the world, you're worried about the collapse of civilization, and in the meanwhile, people see you smoking cigarettes and they go, if you want to stay healthy and happy why are you poisoning yourself? Deal with it. That would now be

a meme that will spread across the internet. I was talking with my friend Duncan about this. That will now be a meme that will spread across the internet. Beautiful. But, I mean, I was talking with my friend Duncan about this. We were talking about people who are looking for chemtrails while they're smoking cigarettes. They're fucking poisoning me from the sky.

You can poison yourself, too. It doesn't matter. Enjoy it. I am what I am. At 61 years of age, after all the shit that I've done in my life, and I'm alive and healthy, I've got wounds and scars. Don't go there. And it's like, this is just me, man.

If civilization falls apart, do you have a stockpile of cigarettes, or are you just going to quit? I don't have a huge stockpile. I'll ration. I'll quit if I have to. Wow. Would that be the biggest thing that you

would miss about civilization? Or would it be the internet? Oh, I would not. I'm tired of the internet, dude. I need a break.

You're tired of the internet. I need a break from it for a while. I'm getting there. You're tired of the internet, too. Well, both you guys

are pussies. You should go in a room together and make out. I'm taking a break from the internet. What the fuck are you talking about?

I love the internet. It's the greatest thing that human nature has ever invented. Well well that's where you're clicking right now but see what i'm saying i'm starting to click in a different direction i'm starting to click i'm moving more to live in my spiritual my inner life and and building my own lifeboat you need a night in the town you need hookers and tequila that's what you need you need a night in the town. You need hookers and tequila. That's what you need. You need a limo. Yeah. And an Asian driver who knows how to weave through traffic.

No, I think I'd rather just have a big party at my house where we cook leg of lamb and all sit around and eat and smoke a little herb, eat organic food. And then Bigfoot makes it to the party. And then anybody who wants to go off and make love to somebody, you just do it. Don't you live up in Bigfoot country? There's Bigfoot sightings up there, aren't there? Northern California? I don't think so. Have you ever been to a swinger party? Kind of yes and kind of no.

It was like, yeah, I guess I have. Like you didn't know going in, but then it turned into one kind of thing. It broke out in the middle of it? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I want to go to one. Yeah. You think that till dudes are trying to fuck you no i wouldn't do that come on man what's the where what's the hang-up man let me put in your butt man no man let me fuck your wife no man um let's get out of here

is that a broomstick trying to's do it Burbank style. Yeah, Burbank style. I got a feeling that broomstick story is going to spread. I would imagine it would get on the internet now. Yeah. That's a ridiculous way to die. Well, I have another one. Okay. It's pretty good.

Yes. Get a call to a dead body in an ambulance suicide in the jungle, Wilshire Division. And we roll up, and here's this dead guy in an easy chair. It's kind of like this. And I walk up and look, and wrists are slashed, bled out. But then I look up, and his throat's also slashed. Think about that his wife was saying she committed suicide how you cannot slash your own throat and slash your own wrist can you do wrist

then you can't do it she went to jail for murder he had been beating her for you know for so many years and she just lost it one day. Eight million tragic stories, but he was definitely not a suicide. Why can't you do that? Why can't you slash your own throat and then cut your own wrist? Why can't you do wrist and then throat? You'll bleed out too fast. You'll bleed out too fast? Yeah. Whoa. The movies make it seem like

you could actually play a piano song before you die. She must have been a badass bitch though if she could pull that off. Cut a guy's wrist and his neck. People get tired of you kicking their ass. It's amazing what rage can do. Fucking assholes out there.

We have to stop that, Michael Rupert. That's my number one goal in life lately, to figure out how to diminish the amount of assholes in the world. It's possible. Get off the internet. Get off the internet? That's the secret. I became a cop trying to do that, and clearly that's a losing battle. That was your motivation to become a police officer, to try to make a difference?

Absolutely. Do you remember when you started to realize that the system was almost like unfixable? Well, you acquire that in stages i mean i pulled one worm out of a can cia bringing drugs into the country i said this is wrong as soon as i get this to the right people's attention they'll stop it immediately wrong of course that was before iran contra and and so that worm turned out to be all of human industrial civilization it It turned out to be the whole economic paradigm. It turned out to be everything was crooked. Everything was a lie.

Everything was manipulated. I had a CIA friend recently who I was talking to, a former CIA guy, and he had been in a meeting, the first briefing of Bill Casey as a DCI under Ronald Reagan, Director of Central Intelligence, Bill Casey wore the glasses. The star ran around Contra. He had been a stockbroker before he became CIA director. There's a clue. And Bill Casey took U.S. domestic cocaine consumption from 60 metric tons in 1979

to 600 metric tons in 1987 and that money went to wall street uh so casey had his first briefing as dci and he said gentlemen we will know that everything that we are successful when everything that the american people believe is true is false whoa Jesus Christ I've been around you know like I kept good notes that's why I'm alive I took a really good notes and I left a good solid record you know so you think you're alive because you've said too much already and there's nothing they can do about it it's like it's just out there no big deal let him live I also think I'm alive because spirit wants me alive spirit i've had i've had spirit intervene so many times in my life and that's part of what the story is now that i have to tell uh in my next book because

there is something powerful and and i think wonderful afoot here and all i can do is tell the truth about it but it would be dishonest of me as a journalist to leave that out of the work that I've already done. When you exposed all this, when you exposed the CIA, when you stepped in front of the, what was the man's designation, the guy you was? John Deutsch. He was DCI, Director of Central Intelligence, appointed by Bill Clinton. That was an incredibly courageous thing to do on camera. You know, to step in and not just say that you were a former Los Angeles police narcotics officer. Is that what you were? That had caught the CIA doing this.

But you named operations. I mean, you gave out information. It wasn't just a blank statement. I had a lot of shit. Yeah, that must be the worst fucking case scenario for the creepy industrialist cunts that run the world. Some dude who wants to be a superhero. Some dude who wants to save the world.

I'm just pissed off, man. Just fucking righteously pissed off. For a good reason. And you don't want to recognize this, but that's a hero move. When a guy does that and stands in front of a motherfucker like that and you say what you said, it's – Brian, do you have that clip? Pull that clip up because for the people who don't know,

who haven't heard this or seen this this is pretty intense stuff man gonna make me smoke yeah go ahead smoke well it was it's a it's a courageous move man i mean it it takes a lot i know you couldn't help if you're courageous you can't help but you just it's what what i wanted to get at was sorry what was what was your thought process and what was it like when you finally got that information out when it came out of your mouth what was it what was it what did that feel like when that whole courtroom was cheering oh that was you knew that was a high school auditorium there were 1200 people in there and uh uh it was high i was it was unbelievably high it was like super peak awareness you know you know how it is and when you know how it is yeah and and it was like whoa it was like one of my favorite Maxim's is don't shoot

unless you got a headshot and I had John Deutsch in a headshot right and I pulled the fucking trigger Wow and that cost him his appointment as Secretary of Defense really yeah and cuz you clowned him like that oh he was stammering like a zombie was ringing his hands and yeah Yeah. He looked like the typical evil white dude that's exploiting. Yeah, that's it. Back it up so people can see it. This is November 15, 1996.