The Joe Rogan Experience - #2192 - Raanan Hershberg

Episode Date: August 21, 2024

Raanan Hershberg is a standup comic. His new special, "It Could Have Been Better," is now available on Amazon Prime, Apple TV, YouTube, and other platforms.  www.raananhershberg.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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My pleasure. What's going on? It's an honor. Good to be here. The cold showers, what we were talking about before, those are the hardest. Oh, well, New York City cold showers in the winter are brutal. Because it doesn't get your whole body so you actually have to constantly move around and re-freeze your ass off.

It's hard to breathe, too. I used to do them for a while, though. When I was a kid, when I used to do martial arts, there was this dude I used to work out with named Bob Caffarella and he was like a real psycho. And Bob used to always take cold showers. He said it was good for the spirit. It is. We would all be sitting around going, what the fuck is wrong with him?

This guy's in the shower. It was January in Boston, and this guy's in the shower just fucking freezing. But I feel like when you do it, it's like you feel afterwards this awakeness that you only get with drugs. Like that fucking like, oh, I'm like You never realize how not present you are until you take a cold plunge and then you're right now I'm fucking in the world right because your body's trying to protect you from dying. Yeah, which is a real rush It really is though. It's norepinephrine. That's the big one

Dopamine kicks up everything and it lasts for hours. That's what I tell people, even though they don't want to do it, I'm like, I know it sucks. I don't think it's good. I don't get in and go, this is amazing. I'm the best. I get in, I go, oh, this is fucking Jesus Christ. Just keep it together. And I just try to stay calm. But I know when I get out, I'm going to feel great for hours. Hours and hours. Exactly. Except for the time I did it on your instruction and fucked up. It was like jackass doing it at home and like getting a nut ripped off. I did the, I saw you do it, it looked great, put the ice in the bath and I was just cold for like two days straight.

It was crazy. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend doing it for 10 minutes the first time. You went a little crazy. I went a little crazy. Yeah, but kudos to you for doing it. It's fucking hard to do 10 minutes. Well, I don't like I used to do a lot of drugs. I don't really do drugs anymore. I mean, I'll do edibles and occasionally create them. So I guess I do some cocaine and heroin, but I'm pretty clean. Other than that, processed

foods, a lot of dessert, but fuck it. Yeah, I mean crystal meth, but that's it. And I drink whiskey, no rocks. But I don't do like the big drugs, so the cold plunge is really the closest to get to that high. Yeah, if you could get that in a pill, it would be a very popular pill. People would be taking it all day long. I know, but part of it is probably

going through the pain, right? Yeah, this is better for your brain, because there's a thing, there's a part in your brain, Andrew Huberman's talked about this, I forget what it's actually's a thing there's a part in your brain Andrew who's talked about this I forget what it's actually called but there's a part of your brain that actually grows when you force yourself and to do difficult things like say if you're a person likes to run and you force yourself I'm gonna run five miles every morning for 60 days like you can actually do that so an asshole yes Trying to imagine myself running. I have a buddy mine that was doing a marathon every day. Oh really yeah

He's a psycho he does these ultra marathons. Oh my god where they run for three days He does like for scum, but he would know No force come was running. Yeah, yeah But they do these things through the mountains like to do the moat I think it's the moab to 200 or 240. So it's 240 miles through mountains It's not just like straight 240 miles like you're going over mountains and hills and shit. I can run for about Seven minutes and I'm probably lying about that I'm definitely like I can run for about four minutes before I'm probably lying about that. I'm definitely lying. I can run for about four minutes before I have to like stop. I don't I used to not run at all and

then I entered into a 5k and I couldn't believe how hard it was to do. It's insane. I thought I was in reasonably good shape. Yeah it's crazy how much more in shape other people are. Especially running shape. Like the runners, the people who can do the sprints though, you know they can do something for like a really long time that I can do for maybe like two seconds. I think they're drug addicts too though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Natural drugs.

The natural runner's high. Yeah. Not ephedrine, euphoria. What are you called? Whatever that thing is. Runner's euphoria. Yeah. I don't know what the actual chemicals that get released

during a runner's high. We'll find that out. Yeah. It's gotta be dopamine. But there's a thing that you do when you do a lot of cardio where you do get really high. You're not not high in a bad way, but high and like a very chilled endorphins. Endorphins. Yeah. Popular culture identifies these chemicals behind the runner's high. So you just it says a short lasting. I don't behind the runner's eyes. So you just, it says it's short-lasting. I don't think it's that short-lasting. But you have to do it for a while. You have to run for like, I think, 45 minutes. Oh, here it goes. It says up to a few hours. That makes sense. So the bliss, it can last

anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours. But it's side effects. Yeah. No, I mean, that's, when you don't do drugs, like, that's the only way. Yeah. My dad plays tennis every day for like five hours. That's a good thing. Yeah He's obsessed he watch it. All he does is play tennis or watch tennis really It's just a test freak. He's a tennis and he's retired. So he just plays tennis all day just plays tennis He has one of those rackets where you he's a real nerd about where you plug it into the computer and look at the data Drackets where you he's a real nerd about where you plug it into the computer and look at the data Either playing tennis or doing that or just watching tennis on TV Wow cares about see that's one if you get into you you're relying on your vehicle unfortunately

Yeah, you know like if you're getting a chess you can pretty much always move those fucking things around Yeah, if you really get obsessed with chess is my favorite sport But it's really I'm only out of breath after the first 45 You play chess I used to play I used to be in the chess club. Oh, no kidding I don't play anymore as well, but I love chess. Yeah, I'm scared of chess really. Yeah, I'm scared. I'd get addicted to it I don't have any time. It's like that's why I won't play golf same thing I'm sure the golfers like like Jamie's big golfer, they'll tell you how awesome it is. I'm like, I believe you. I'm not gonna try it.

I'm not gonna let it get its fucking fangs into me. That's how I feel about video games. My comic friend played video games and I'm like, I think that's the worst drug. Because then you're just doing, you're just wasting your life. There's no intervention. Also, it doesn't have to be sunny out. Yeah Three in the morning like I don't want to go to bed. I got I was at my brother's place I played a video game once and I hadn't played it since like Goldeneye so I hadn't seen any of the improvements So I started playing they're like movies now. It's like crazy. Yeah, and I got so hooked There was a moment where I just like saw myself being addicted and just like snapped out of it It was like four hours straight. Yeah, I had to quit cold turkey

I used to play quake online. It gets it like numbs you out. It's crazy It's just too easy to get a game. Yes, you could always at any moment in time I could either be bored. I could be having a conversation That's boring, right or I could be doing something boring, right? Or I can just log in and have a deathmatch one-on-one with some dude from fucking Denmark I know, you know like it's crazy. Like I remember typing like where do you live? And then they people like I'm in Estonia like whoa, that's crazy like well, you're killing them Kill each other and you make little pauses and you know, yeah, it's fun. It's crazy. Yeah, it's fun

I just yeah, I'm afraid to like waste all that time 100% I'm like an a workaholic a bit Which obviously you are yeah, but that's I think that's okay as long as you're doing something that you actually enjoy I don't think there's anything wrong with being obsessed with something. Yeah. No, I'm not a workaholic when I when I worked at Red Lobster When I worked at Frish's big boy, I was exactly Let's get this right. I think that's the deal with a lot of kids that are bored in school and they're calling them ADHD. I think they think that the subjects that are being discussed are boring as fuck.

Of course. They're bouncing off the walls. They're 13 years old. They have so much fucking energy. Why is it never the teacher's fault? Exactly. It's like why do the teachers say something interesting? It's insane.

It's like to be like, oh no, no, they're just... It's like if do the teachers say something interesting? It's insane. It's like to be like, oh, no, no, they're just... It's like if an audience doesn't laugh and you're like, no, no, no, it's not that I'm not funny. It's that you have laughing deficit disorder. It's throwing the ball onto something else. Be interesting. There was an article in one of the science journals recently about, one of the science magazines recently about ADHD.

And then they were saying that it is it was actually an Advantage to think that way for hunter-gatherers Oh Wow And that's this is left over from where they they're constantly looking at other things and trying to pay it and they could focus on One thing like very intensely. Oh, wow, but they're scanning for a bunch of other stuff. You notice. Yeah, you're like, what's that? And then it's like a raspberry also They're always in activity in motion ADHD may have evolved to help foragers know when to cut their losses Interesting you're too focused you get this is you get killed

This is not the one that I read because this is from February the one I read was just a couple of days ago But symptoms attention deficit hyper hyperactivity disorder such as impulsivity may have helped foragers and hunter-gathered Communioners quickly move on to new areas when food sources were low That's amazing So if you're too focused you you don't you don't know when to quit right and then you get fucking killed Or you run out of resources that makes sense like you got it's like an instinct. Let's get the fuck out of here, right? And right yeah, well, you know I got really addicted to a adderall like everyone I'm scared of that too, I've never tried it.

I used to, when I was in, after college, I started taking it, like recreationally. I went to a psychiatrist and told her I had a problem, and she was like, well, we can prescribe it for you. Oh, Jesus Christ! Then it'll no longer be a problem. Oh my God. I was like, okay, I was thinking more like rehab,

but sure. What kind of fucking psychiatrist are you? She's probably on Adderall right now Why don't you join me? It's insane. Let's clean my house I did it for like I got super I was doing 90 milligrams a day I was like. Is that a lot Jamie? It's a lot. What is a normal dose? 10? When I did 20 I was fucking up for 48 hours or something like that.

It's crystal meth for nerds, but it's crystal meth. I mean, it's fucking, it's like, it's intense. I was so cocky. I wrote poetry. That's how high I was. I thought I could write poetry. This gentleman, Norman Oler, was on my podcast two weeks ago and he wrote all about meth and the Third Reich.

Dude, it's crazy. And speed, yeah. The whole thing was meth. They were all methed up. They were methed up when they fucking did the Blitzkrieg. I do a bit about that now, about Hitler being on speed. I'm obsessed with Hitler. Oh man.

I have like, one of my bookshelves is just all Holocaust and Hitler books. Really? Yeah, but I'm dying to read that. I know Goring was on everything. They were all on everything. Goring was on like, huge painkillers the whole time. He was with Hitler.

Hitler was on, one of the things, the misconceptions, he was on meth. It appears a lot of what he was on was oxys. He was on oxycodone. Wow. Yeah, they had the original oxycodone. So they were just like hot. It's like when you get high and you run over someone. They were like, what the fuck did I do when I was high?

They don't even care care I killed all the Jews Did you ever see that video of the lady who's on pills and the cops are telling her to pull over and she doesn't know Why and she has no wheel on her car her car is like spitting flames have you ever seen it? I'm not they pull over and she's like what's the problem? This the cops like man. Are you on pills like what the fuck is going on? How do you not know you lost a wheel on the highway? You know what? You gotta see it, it's bunkers.

No, that's insane. Yeah, it is, like the Nazis were just all on drugs, which is just like a crazy, I mean, the whole Third Reich is surreal, that they're creating this. Yeah, look at this. So here's this lady. She's just driving like nothing's wrong, waving hi.

Back of another car near Quail Hill Shop hill shopping center she says her car just gave out police say the woman was not impaired that ladies on pills if she's not impaired she shouldn't be ever driving if you don't notice you lost a wheel right that's a that's a big red flag did they do was that the same one that might not have even been the same one Right, okay, this is it like there's no way you don't know that there's no way you don't know trunks open also That's not even the big problem at this point I can't imagine that she's not medicated that doesn't make any sense to me I was going on if she isn't medicated She's like she's a psycho right something's wrong if she's not medicated like she's got a blown fuse

But also that's how cars get they catch fire like that like no that's insane Yeah, no, I uh Yeah, this is guys This guy's Well there we go now we're assholes She might be making it up She might be telling the truth which makes sense where you're like your whole world is like what is life? I'm gonna die real soon, and they can't fix this. And you're just, the car's fucking up and you don't even care. That could be the patch is open and you don't even care.

Yeah. Your world is over. Or you're like, oh shit, I fucked up. Let me say something to get out of it right now. You're a cynic. I am an optimist. I look for the good in people. I did a show once when I was like younger and you know, you when you start you have like very...

I mean, I guess I still have dark jokes, but I'm having some joke about SIDS, you know, the sudden infant death. Oh. And I was doing it, it was like some pizza shop in my hometown, in an audience, and one person, the audience looked really upset.

And I go, what, you don't like the joke? And they were like, our kid died of SIDS. And I immediately went into, when you were starting out, I just went into the oldest, safest material. I'm like, so I'm broke, anyone else overdraft? You know, I just go right into it you know, like, when you were starting out, I just went into the oldest, safest material. I'm like, so I'm broke, anyone else overdraft? You know, I just go right into it. And then at the end I went up to him and her

and I apologized and he was like, oh, we're just joking. I was like, that's the worst heckle ever. Oh, that's so mean. But I stopped doing that kind of joke afterwards because it's like, it's fine to do those kinds of jokes, but you have to be prepared. Right. I was not prepared. Like, I don't want to upset people like that So I just saw someone who lost their kid right sounds like I can't do those jokes

You don't like I'm not against someone dude. No like that's like Anthony Shit ton of jokes like that. Of course. Yeah, they're great. People enjoy it. It's not bad. It's not bad comedy it's like but At least with a guy like Jessel neck you should know what you're getting into and don't try to pretend There's something wrong with what he's saying, but all these other people don't have a problem with it. It's a taste thing Yeah, exactly. It's a tip like it's like but when you start out no one knows who the you know No one knew who I was of course pizza shop in Bloomington, Indiana. That's why it's so dangerous Yeah That's what but the only way they're gonna find out

That's the kind of stuff you do is if you take those risks and do that kind of stuff and get in trouble You got it. You got to do you got to get in trouble. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, thank God I started before people film stuff I Said the years, you know 17 okay, that's great. That's great. I've said horrible shit, but it's not on film. But you also, you got in, I think, the filming thing is fucking strange, right?

Because some people want to get filmed, because you can get some clips, like interacting with the audience. Right. But it's like, you have to have an opportunity to work out stuff. Of course, yeah. Because there's times when you're on stage

and you're saying things and you have a new bit and you don't know where you're taking it while you're taking it there. Of course, yeah. And you have to like, that's why when they Luke the Louie thing, it was any comic who criticized him should lose their comedian badge right away. They have to me, yeah.

If you release something when they weren't planning it, it doesn't matter what they said in it, you're at fault for releasing something. Well, it's obviously as an audience member that released it, but the comics had criticized him, like, hey man, fuck you. Like you pretend, first of all, the guy didn't do comedy for 10 months.

Yeah. And then second, the stuff that he was saying, if you know him and you know his act, and I guarantee you fucking do, because a lot of those people are just haters. Yeah. If you know him, you know, given enough enough time he would make that horrible premise really fucking funny Frankly, it's pretty funny that pretty funny then

It's horrible. They're saying like push the fat kid in front of you But that's funny But you don't think there would be layers upon layers that would make that joke brilliant in a year if you just let him do it And you learn the cushions like he didn't't have the cushions. You learn, Louie, people like Louie, the great comics are great at learning how to make a hard joke work. Yes. And he hadn't maybe developed the cushions yet on stage, but they would have come.

He hadn't done any comedy at all in 10 months. Yeah, no. So this is like literally the first set he did. I think anyone who criticized him about that was the kind of comedian who doesn't take risks. Because if you take any risks, you wouldn't want stuff to be Released right exactly and if you understand how jokes are developed like yeah

Exactly there's too many people that like got into it from something else and they did stand up in the beginning and then they got Into it again They consider themselves stand-ups and then they'll come out and criticize something like this and you could just shut the fuck up man You're not even doing it right you're not this yeah You're not even doing it right like you you saying that he's that this is bad like come on Man, we this is how everybody creates material you have to yeah once he puts it on a special then you can judge it Once he decides, but until then Yeah, work on it. You know imagine my Sid's joke was filmed. I probably getting some notoriety back then well now on Twitter

You become a hero. Yeah, but no one knows about except for me bring it up So for all your listeners It's like you've got to have a place where you can fuck around and that's the problem with like filming all the time because there's There's things that like you'll start a bit off when you first start writing it and start making it It's like it's so different than when it finishes you got to be able to find that and not have people see it yeah not have people see it because it's you know comedy is like you want people see the finished product but it's embarrassing until then you're sweating you're working shit out you're stumbling

you're bombing you like you don't want people see that part well it's fun to watch as an audience member though one of my favorite things is watching a bit develop Yeah, you know watching someone like come up with an initial premise and maybe they come in the green room We're all brainstorming and try to figure what is what what part is where's it gonna get clunky? It's interesting to me. It's all a mystery like how it develops like I might think about I listen to tapes But when you just keep doing it It just naturally edits itself. It's an interesting mystery where it naturally forms, right? Right, it was long as you're not rigid. Yes. Yes and and listen to it all

Yeah Because some people are rigid and this is a problem that like open micers have in beginning comics is they Started doing a bit a very certain way so they're kind of comfortable saying it that way and they're uncomfortable on stage already right so they keep saying it the same way that's the death of comedy yeah one of the thing Louie taught me or that told me something I understood but he really articulated is like the enemy of comedy is roteness figuring out that you once you think you can say it a certain way where it gets a laugh it's dead like if you're relying on to just say it that way to get a laugh.

And he made it clear, and he shows it. You really got to think about the emotion behind it, which you forget immediately after a while. But I fall into this trap all the time where I figure out a way to say a joke and it gets a laugh. And I think the minute you're 100% sure it's's gonna work. That's when it starts dying, right? I know what I'm saying Yeah, like it has to I think what you're saying is that it has to be real in your mind at that moment

You can't be just reading a script. You have to fit. Yeah instead of yeah to me. It's like instead of Thinking of like oh, I'm saying something now that we'll get a laugh Just try to think of the anger their sadness or whatever. Mm-hmm Well, why what is upsetting you or making you laugh hysterically about the subject? That's why Bill Burr is so great, cause it's like, he doesn't look like he's trying to get people laughing.

Right, right, right. He just looks really angry. Yeah, well he is. And that's funny, yeah. He is, you know if you talk to Bill in the green room, that's the same guy. Yeah, if I fucking told him. And that's what's hilarious, just kinda of like the fact he's so great at

Keeping that anger. I don't know if it's an act. I mean keeping that anger alive through all these shows You can call him right now Bring up something that annoy listen here you fuck You know my favorite is when he's on a podcast with someone and they take themselves seriously Like he was on with Bill Maher and he was just chewing Bill Maher up. And then he was on Charlemagne, the god, he was chewing him up. It just I love it. I love it. He's the best at that. Yeah, he's the king. He's amazing.

He's the best at like breaking down what? Yeah, look at you. You know, breaking you down. He's like, oh, no, he knows me. Just roasting you with that voice. He knows me. No, he's amazing. And he's like, oh no, he knows me. Just roasting you with that voice. No, he knows me. No, he's amazing. Yeah, I just think his ability to just always be himself on stage, which I think that's the kind of comedy I love the most.

He has a unique talent for it. A unique talent for anything he's talking about, just being himself. Yeah, no, that's incredible. Yeah, it's so interesting to see how so many people do it differently, but we all have something in common. And I think one thing that everybody has in common is the best ones are really thinking about what they're talking about.

Right, right. Really, really. And having to care about it. I feel like so many times I'll do a bit, and it's not working, and then I realize, I don't give a shit about the thing I'm saying. I need need to if it's important to me. It'll be important to the audience Yeah, I have to bail on bits when I'm bored with them. I know cuz you're like, I don't I don't I don't really care about this Yeah, I'm not I know there's something like people. Yeah, there's something there. I'm like, I know but right now

I don't give a fuck about it. So I have to leave it alone for a little bit if you don't give a fuck about it Yeah, they can tell yeah Is there some of there's some bits that killed when I first started doing them and then they for a little bit. If you don't give a fuck about it, they can tell. Yeah, there's some bits that killed when I first started doing them, and then they got a little flat. And I was like, what is going on here? Oh, I don't care anymore. You don't care.

You don't care, and you know they work. There's no mystery. It's also, I didn't find out whatever it is in the bit that makes it a great bit. Right. Sometimes you just can't find a thing that elevates it from an eight It stays at an eight exactly it never hits a 10 you got it

Sometimes you get a trim sometimes you keep them in if they make a point if they're like bizarrely Ironic, right there's something about it. We like it's worth it even though. It's not the funniest joke Yeah, cuz if little hills and valleys with with the hour it works well Yeah, yeah with an hour, but Sometimes you just got to set it aside and then sometimes I'll come back to it, you know I have like a whole folder that I call orphan babies and it's all bits that never made it on anything That's great to keep a record. Yeah, that's a great thing to have to cuz I first part forgetting everything

I forget him. Sometimes a friend brings them up. What about the hyena thing? I'm like, I fucking forgot that. I'm like that. How does it go? People bring that up like, oh yeah, why did I stop doing that joke? I know, it's weird. It's tough.

I did an hour, released an hour a couple months ago, and so I'm trying to work out a new hour. It's tough when you have that, because there's a lot of jokes you just probably don't care about that much, but you need it in there just for the you know right right scaffolding you know exactly right to keep the bits together so they're coherent sometimes but in my head i'm like i think everybody should have a folder that they just put on everybody should write i mean i know everybody likes to write on stage and i get it and there's some of the greats that write on stage but if you're listening if you're not those people everybody else you should write

Yeah, cuz you can go back and not forget that I have a whole my bookshelf looks like seven You know where he has all the notebooks. Yeah That's great. It's all just you know crazy manifestos and jokes I think that's it's like one of the things that I found when I had to do this live special is that I had to really go over my shit like with a fine tooth comb. So I wound up writing out all my bits that I've done hundreds of times. Write them out exactly word for word,

just drill it into my head. And then I was preparing for this, I was like, I should probably be doing this all the time. I know, right? I should probably be doing, not just when I'm getting ready for a special, but I should probably be doing comedy this way. I I know, right? I should probably be doing it not just when I'm getting ready for a special, but I should probably be doing comedy this way. I know.

It's like whenever I've done late night, I start really analyzing the jokes. Yes. And like cutting them and be like, oh, I should, if I did this all the time, I'd be pretty good. I'm like, that word does not work there, but it's just because I'm doing it on late night. So I'm like, but then normally I'm like, whatever. I know. It's like, it's funny, we have our own schedule, we get to govern ourselves,

which is not always the best thing. Because if we were like a prodigy and you know, you were a violin coach, I'd make you practice all day, bitch. I know, but you can only technically practice on stage. That's the weird thing. It's like like you can but you can prepare offstage yeah yeah I yeah no I mean I think it's I think it's really important to like write everything down and go back to it and just so you don't lose anything you can forget things yeah especially as you get older I have a bunch of friends that just keep things in their head and you know like Duncan I'm pretty sure he did this release this bit so I could say he might not have fuck He's got a great bit about my shit's bit you can do No, but I don't know I think it's like he recorded a special, but I don't know if it's on

It's I don't want to say it, but okay. He's got this great adderall bit. He totally forgot about it. I said You say like oh my god that jokes amazing. I got your joke. I forgot it. You got it, yeah, it's important to be organized. Yeah, it's just, we govern ourselves, and we're all slackers. It's a weird job, because it's just you. And it's just how, even like advice doesn't typically work, because every comedian, when they give advice, they're really just giving it, that works for them.

And you don't know if it works for your voice, or how you, it's all, so you're're just alone and you have to create your own system. Yeah. Advice as long as it's not rigid is really good because you really can't tell people how to do things. No. And if anything, I mean there's some good advice. I mean when I was started out I got a couple, you know, look around the audience, keep the mic out of the mic stand. Oh, yeah, standard stuff. But like, once you get into real advice, I don't know. I think it just gets in your head for the most part,

you know? Sometimes it's good and sometimes it's terrible. Yeah. I got a lot of terrible advice when I first started out. What's a good advice? Good advice is write a lot, listen to your recordings. That was one thing, this guy Mike Donovan. And I got real lucky that I started out in Boston

in the 80s and it was like, there was all these local headliners that were awesome. I mean, world-class, but they were local and they stayed local. And one of them was this guy, Mike Dunovan. And Mike Dunovan, he always had a, this is back in the day when he had cassette recorders that were big, like a fucking box of cigars.

And he would sit it on the thing and press record when he went on stage he goes oh my god you never know he goes you might have a new tagline in that moment that's crazy and then you forget about it if you don't listen and that was some of the best advice I've ever heard he was like the first comic recording of sets he was just a smart dude and he just figured out that you got to do that yeah I think like that advice is great like definitely writing a lot and definitely listen to your sense is so important because there's so many comics who go up all the time but they're delusional and

they don't get better because they're not like realizing that it's not working. Yeah you got to analyze yourself like a hater. Exactly but stuff about how to say shit and all that I just feel or like your style some of that it's I feel like you're kind of alone a little. 100%. Because imagine someone like Bill Burr trying to give advice to Mitch Hedberg. Just fucking yell the bit. Get mad. Get mad. Get mad. Think about it. What the fuck were you thinking when she said that? Get mad about the rice. Get mad that there's so many rice.

I mean, at a certain point in time, that's one of the cool, I've been thinking about doing this for quite a while now. We've talked about it and I think we're gonna do it. And what I wanna do is have, outside of podcasts, to just have an interview with headliners when they come into town and tell me about what happened. Tell me about your journey. What was your first open mic?

What was it like? How'd you feel? How'd you get started? Did someone influence you?. What was your first open mic? What was it like? How'd you feel? How'd you get started? Did someone influence you? Did someone ask you to do it? What were your first road gigs? Just not a podcast where like it'd be me talking about my stories, but just like,

I always want to know 100% in an interview. Right, right. A conversation, but an interview. And just, you know, so that it's archived for comics. Cause you remember like when you were starting I mean 17 years ago right there you could get a couple of books There was a few books Richard Belzer had a book on stand-up, but it was kind of like tongue-in-cheek The comedy Bible yeah that woman yeah

There was nothing written by anybody who was really good no so that was part of the problem not and Belzer was good But yeah, but nothing written by like a George Carlin or Richard Pryor or you know, Lenny Bruce It's never advice from the great. It's always some weird person some like kind of grifty. Yeah, it's grifty It's and someone you're like what you're not a comedian. Well, we thought about doing that at the store back in the day We were talking about doing comedy classes where you know a comic like a headliner would come in and I know Ari did this Quite a few times already did come in. And I know Ari did this quite a few times. Ari did it in Phoenix when I was there. He'd set up a seminar for free for all the local comics.

Told them, this is how you get a manager. This is how you get an agent. This is how you get stage time. This is what you should do to organize your set. And fucking amazing resource for free, he did it for like two and a half hours. So Ari was doing that for a while. But there's nothing like that for comics coming up everybody has to learn from the people at the clubs

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's a good That's a good I would love to hear that because if you could go start out now and you can go on YouTube first of all You have access to everything red Fox Rodney Jangerfield fucking everything that's ever been is online Lenny Bruce He watched Lenny Bruce recordings right now Yeah, it was impossible to find that shit when we started impossible and still impossible to understand But yeah, a lot of it. I'm like, I don't it was like different time. We're saying Yiddish was really like hip Well, the thing about Lenny was that no one had ever talked like that publicly. So this was a totally unique thing that you have to take in the context of 1963.

Some of the most groundbreaking stuff feels the most dated later. Because it is so groundbreaking that everyone, the model changed. The whole world changed the way they think about things. And then talking about things openly the way he did became normal. Right. So he's doing normal things to us. But it seems, yeah, no, it's like that musical Oklahoma seems like such a standard thing.

Right. But at the time it was super experimental. It was the first one where they had like not a chorus on stage right away or someone singing and a narrative, like musicals before that were reviews and you're like, switch it to musicals you're like go back to comedy. No musicals are cool. I love musicals but it was like it was groundbreaking at the time narrative story most shit before that was like reviews and they broke a lot of rules but now it's just Oklahoma you know but it was like an experimental thing at the time. Like The Wizard of Oz. Yeah. The Wizard of Oz was monumental when it came out. Like it was something that everybody saw. It was one

movie that you would guarantee everybody you talked to had seen The Wizard of Oz. Yeah. No, it was it is the most watched movie. I read a book about the making recently. It was interesting. Yeah. Did you know that, let's oh, Judy Garland was like groped by a lot of the little people on the movie. It's like a whole Did you know that, so Judy Garland was like, groped by a lot of the little people on the movie. It's like a whole thing she got groped. And I read it, apparently they were mad. All the little people were like very drunk and wild.

You know? And they were mad because apparently they were getting paid less than Toto, the dog. So the hierarchy on Wizard of Oz was like The dog little people and then women at the bottom, you know, and they were like groping her and she couldn't say anything about it Wow, it's an insane. I wish I could make a man's also like what year was that? 1939 bro people were savages Savages he slapped the director Victor Fleming slapped, slapped Judy Garland in the face during the scene.

Just slapped her because she couldn't keep a straight face. Oh my God. Oh no, it was... And that movie... I wish I could make a movie about the making of Wizard of Oz and that would show the beauty of the movie, but also how horrible behind the scenes were. Right. Because you had the witch caught on fire and literally

like lost feeling in her hand at one point and then they forced her to go back to Margaret, what her name is, they first should go back to work the next day even though she was in the hospital. The original guy playing the Tin Man got really sick because of the paint they were using. He ended up in the hospital they just replaced him. Yeah he got like really sick Yeah, no, it's like a it was that oh that makes sense like what the fuck is that stuff they put on his skin There's no regulation They're just like let's try this they just got done with like think about that was like the Lid am I'd babies back then?

Yeah, but that was actually later the little my babies wasn't that like in the 60s But they had the the the girls that developed cancer because they were using the loom for the watches right right right? So that radio at what was that radio? girls radium girls Yeah There was horrific holes in their face and shit their tongues would rot out of their mouths It was zero nobody told him anything because it was like the tip of their brush when they were because they were doing these very Nobody told him anything because it was like the tip of their brush when they were because they were doing these very delicate

Yeah, dials on watches know that no one gave a shit and the Hollywood there was no like the stars didn't have like Some stars were beginning to have power but Judy Garland She was just treated like like she was owned by them, you know, I mean, right like to slap Imagine the doctor likes try to slap like Emma Stone. Yeah It's just crazy to think that that wasn't that long ago. I know, and it's, well, the Holocaust also happened not too soon after. But isn't it kind of like watching tape and listening to tape as a comic?

Because you don't know how bad you suck until you see it. And people didn't know how bad that kind of behavior was until you see it. Go to the old James Cagney movies. He'd smack his girlfriend right in the face. And he was the hero and then they kiss each other. It's all yeah every night It's yeah, I love watching old stuff to see like the the problematic parts I just find them like really funny You ever see the one where it's like an old Western and the guy is spanking his wife and the kid comes along and

Says do you like I know why you're spanking mommy It's because you love her and he's like that's right son. It's so nuts like the woman is over the guy's knees And he's spanking her Something that someone thought you could pass off in a movie Well, that's how confused we were about narratives and about reality and well every 80s movie like people like you gotta watch it It is look at this John Wayne This is not the one where the guy, the wife, I mean he's beating her with a piece of metal and what a great show.

Oh my god. What a great movie. I love when they give him the weapon to use and he's like, thank you. Normal. Yeah, normal. Beat her with a weapon. Don't use your hand. What if your hand gets hurt?

Well every 80s movie they're like, you gotta watch this 80s movie. It's a classic that you turn it on. It's like 12 nerds gang raping a woman. It's like every 80s comedy is like a prank. Is this the one? What is this one? And he spanks her too? So he's carrying her away. Look, he's spanking her in front of everybody. Look at them watching. This is so crazy. Not just spanking, but spanking in public. Not just spanking, like he's holding her up in the air while he's spanking her. And they're laughing.

Like they think it's wonderful, look. He's gonna fuck her later. He just drops her. They're just laughing. I've never been so proud of you in all my life. What the fuck? I've never been so proud. They both have black eyes. And he's got his arm around her.

Oh sweetie, I got the job. What the fuck is that movie about? We just look evil when we look back in the past. And we're just like, slap, smaker, smaker. And by the way, they thought they were so sophisticated because they were comparing themselves to fucking cave people. Of course Yeah, well, we you know, we change we move at our own pace, right? And so we had to like look at the cave pain. He's go that is kind of fucked up He stabbed that guy with a spear

That to movies and plays right? Yeah Yeah, well we're getting better. We're getting better. It's just slow. My cousin had a bat mitzvah. It's reformed, that's where you do the whole service in English, and you have to read part of the Bible. Which in conservative you do in Hebrew, but in reform you do in English.

What is it, why reform? They're just more liberal, more accessible. It's usually like a lesbian rabbi, and she's like eating on her girlfriend on stage and stuff. And there's like the cantors tuning a guitar and she had to read a part of the Bible but reformed doing it in English. So the 13-year-old girl had to go on stage in front of everyone and read the selected part and like not every part of the Bible holds up. So it was like 300 people, her parents behind her and she's just on stage, she has to open to the part and she's just like,

parents behind her and she's just on stage she has to open to the part and she's just like when a slave offends you you cut off his right arm and then his parents her parents are behind her like that's my girl and she's like would you offend them again you execute them these are the laws of how to punish your slaves and we're all just like in the back I'm the is that real quote yeah or something like that yeah Yeah, something close to that Jesus Christ, and that's why you do it in Hebrews. You don't have to Why we do it in Hebrew, you don't know what they're talking about Well, that was the whole thing about them doing it in Latin, right?

Like nobody can speak Latin so they could take the priest's word for it says give me $100 if you want to be in the afterlife That's why everybody wanted to kill Martin Luther. Right, right. Yeah, the Latin, that was a big con. Huge con. Yeah. Nobody speaks it. Yeah, only we know what it's saying. It's the priest's like,

kid, it's saying to suck my dick right now. Isn't it nuts? Isn't it nuts that that is kind of a dead language? Like, you can still learn Latin, but nobody speaks Latin. No, unless you're getting possessed by the devil. Yeah. Don't forget that demographic. Oh, yeah nobody speaks Latin. No, unless you're getting possessed by the devil. Yeah. Don't forget that demographic. Oh, yeah, those folks. Well, they usually talk in tongues.

They're not even doing Latin. They're going, something, something, something. They don't throw in Latin. Do they occasionally? I feel like the Exorcist, I feel like she throws in a little Latin. She said, your mother sucks cocks in hell. Which, by the way, that movie, I don't understand

why anyone's scared of that movie that movies hilarious That's because you're younger than I know when I was a boy that movie was fucking terrifying. I saw that movie I was real young like I probably shouldn't have been able to see it like what what year did that movie come out 70? five 73 okay tried to be rain man. So six yeah 73. 73. Okay. Tried to be Rain Man. So 6.

Yeah, well, you should have been seeing the movie anyway. I saw that movie when I was 6. Yeah, my parents let me see all the scary movies. Can I ask you this? Did you at the time, I was talking to them about it backstage, did you believe in the devil, kinda? Oh yeah, sure. Because I'm a Jew, I'm like a heathen Jew, right?

We don't believe in the devil. So for me, It just felt like funny It's good fucking movie man But it's just like she's like you saying like your mom sucks cocks in hell. That's like to a priest That's definitively funny. Well. How about when she fucks herself with the crossed? I just don't I don't know It's just like she said some real wild shit while she was doing it to like fuck my kind Something like that, but that's like I guess back then the idea of a kid cursing was like oh, it's crazy Well this girl itself bark you want to talk about someone that got fucked up from doing a movie She got really fucked up from doing these imagine. Okay, you're a young girl and you are literally playing the devil

Yeah, everybody knows you you're famous now. You're famous for being the fucking devil. That's insane. So everywhere you go people are scared of you People see on the street you fucked yourself with a crucifix in a movie 13 people are walking by Cocks in hell She probably never heard the end of it and that was another movie that everybody saw. Yeah, that was uh, yeah I just I love horror movies, but I find that one, it's like, I just don't find it, I don't know, I feel like a girl, I mean, at the time I get it was scary, definitely if you're six.

But I just find it silly, it's just like, you're telling the priest to go fuck himself, this is funny. I get it, but I think it's because we are living in 2024. We're heathens now. And all those movies have gone on and we've learned from those movies. Which is interesting to think that like back then at Kid Cursing we were so much more puritanical.

That was like disturbing. Right. Disturbing. And now it's South Park. Yeah. It's totally normal. Now they're sticking things up their butts in cartoons. Yeah, it's totally normal now.

And that's again, it's like going back to listen to Lenny Bruce stuff and then trying to listen to it. He had one joke that comics inadvertently stole because they didn't realize that they were stealing it but because it was so so brilliant but it was when homosexuality was illegal back then right and he goes being gay is illegal dig what what do they do when they catch you they put you in jail with a bunch of guys who want to have sex with you this is a great joke yes great jokes it's it's just you don't we if you went back in time to the 1950s and talked to people they would think you were a fucking alien like who is this guy how's

he talking so freely about things right right and he did have great joke you just gotta get past that you dig and the mishuganous. But like he had a great joke. That book of his is awesome, the one of his transcripts. Do you look at that? No. It's like just that writing. Of the trials?

No, just of the stand-up. Oh, the stand-up. It's awesome. You see it all in like he had one bit that was like, I love Bill Hicks. He's one of my favorites. But it was similar to Bill Hicks' joke. Not to say Bill Hicks stole from it, but they're just great minds think that was like, I love Bill Hicks, he's one of my favorites, but it was similar to Bill Hicks' joke. Not to say Bill Hicks stole from it,

but they're just great minds think alike about like, if Jesus came back, would he wanna see a cross? Something similar to that. Yeah, a bunch of guys had that though. Yeah, but he might have been the first. Yeah, he probably was the first. I mean, Kennison had something kinda similar to that too. I listened to Bill Hicks recently.

He got me into comedy, I always loved him. I listened to Bill Hicks recently. He got me into comedy. I always loved him. I listened to him on a road trip recently, and he holds up so well. And I think the people call him preachy. I think they're so wrong. I actually think all his jokes are just good jokes that aren't really preachy for the most part. See, I don't think it was preachy.

I don't think Anthony Jesselneck is really offensive. No, cause you know what I'm saying? Like it's a style of comedy. His style of comedy was condescending, I'm smarter than you, and here's some amazing points about life. And so I liked it. Hicks you mean? Yeah, Hicks.

Like when Hicks would talk about things, he would talk about things like, you know, everybody's stupid, like this is why, and I'm telling you how it should be. And that's what people didn't like about it. But that was also a great way to get some of those points across. Like, there were some points that that's really kind of the only way, if you want to deliver it the way he does it, it's really kind of the only way you can do it. Well, it's also funny to see a crazy person on stage, just someone who's like, you know, that's hilarious. Like, he is a funny character.

And I do think he has great misdirects, like just great jokes that go beyond like what ideology he's like, you know, professing. You mean Hicks? Hicks, yeah. Well, he had brilliant shit about the war. You know, like they have sophisticated weapons. How do you know? We checked the receipts.

Well, the whole like, the book depository is very realistic. Hans Waltz isn't in it. He just had great, I just thought he had just, kinda like Woody Allen, I know he loved Woody Allen, like great like Mr. X. And when you listen to it now, a lot of it is kinda what a lot of good comedy is, where you take a hot button issue,

but then you just have a joke that's just kinda about something else. Right, right, right. And that's really a lot of good comedy is where you take a hot button issue but then you then you just have a joke that's just kind of about something else. Right, right, right. And that's really a lot of what his stuff is. It just feels like kind of like modern comedy. Yeah, well he definitely changed a lot of people's idea of comedy because he made it kind of interesting for the first time. He had interesting subjects. Him and Doug Standup definitely were my big influences. I loved you too. I loved your old, I loved your, I remember back when I listened to comedy albums, that was a different era, I guess, you know? Oh wow, yeah.

But I remember, I loved your bit about the tiger in the zoo, the monster in a box. Yeah. I still think about that every time I'm in a zoo, cause they always make the cage look like they could possibly jump out. Yeah. You know, do you remember that bit?

Yeah, I do, I kind of remember it. But I remember the story. These kids threw pine cones at a tiger and the tigers can jump 14 feet in a 12 foot cage. They can't even put a roof on it. This cage is secure unless a tiger gets really mad. But when's that going to happen? Just I would have given everything to see the look on their face and that thing touched the top of the bars. Yeah they were like... When the paws hit the bars and the body starts going over the flood of chemicals that was going to your mind. That's a high. Off the charts. That's a high. Probably like nothing else you'll ever experience in life. That's like a cold plunge times 10,000. Well it's like undeniable you're dying right now like it's coming for you it's a six hundred pounds super predator. But one could survive right? One could survive I think the kid

who threw the pinecones unfortunately survived I think his buddy got taken out. Oh that's how fierce tigers are. I'm not gonna fuck you up I'm gonna fuck your friend up. I think his buddy went to help him. Oh my god. I don't know the whole story I mean who knows It was probably just chaos. But I think about that bit every time at a zoo. They always make it look like the tire you can jump out. I'm like, why don't you just not make it look like that? Put a roof on the box.

Monster on the box. You keep the box on the box. Yeah. Why don't you have a roof on the box? If you have a monster in the city, hit a box. Put a fucking roof on the box. We don't need to make it look like he can jump out. We don't need. Also, in a box, put a fucking roof on the box. We don't need to make it look like it can jump out.

We don't need... Also, how expensive is it to put a roof on? Is it that expensive? I think they want to make it feel like it's free. Fuck that. It's not free. They shouldn't be there. I don't agree with zoos at all.

You don't like zoos? No, I'm a hypocrite because I took my kids to them because I want my kids to be able to see these animals because it's kind of cool to see a two-year-old staring at a hippo. Whoa But the reality is they're prisons. They're prisons for animals. It didn't do anything wrong, but It's a little different in the sense that Their life outside of prison is pretty messed up the bread. It's natural. It is natural It's not they're not all getting killed. You know, they're doing some killing too Which is also unnatural that you just feed these things that live to kill.

I guess the zoo is better for the prey. Definitely better. Why do you still have a joke about that too? About the only animal that I don't feel bad about in the zoo is giraffes. They're having a great time. They don't seem to have any problem with it at all. Like another day with no lions. Well, it's like, yeah, if that's jail, like freedom of them just getting chased by, like if you were in prison and outside of prison you could just get eaten any time,

prison wouldn't look so bad. Well as long as they have a big enough enclosure and they can walk around, they don't seem to have any problem with it. Yeah, it sucks for the predators because they can't like hunt. Exactly. And then they always put the tiger

like next to the giraffe or the lion just to fuck with them. It's so crazy It's a little cruel you imagine being a tiger and you're like I can't Forget cuz you have bad memory Suckers yeah, they they're kind of cruel with that put them in different places. Well, you shouldn't put them there at all Yeah, it's great. The whole thing's crazy. Yeah. I get it does protect some endangered species, but boy, I think if we really care about animals, we should put a lot more money into it,

and there should be a lot larger spaces. Definitely. It shouldn't be anything remotely resembling a zoo. And it's always weird who gets the big space. At the Louisville Zoo, there's a wolf who just got fucking 12 acres, and then a snow leopard is like a little diorama with a cage on it It's sick the way they do it in Africa is the way to do it if you really want to go see an animal She'd go on a fucking Safari and drive through these areas where they're killing gazelles, and they're doing normal lion shit

This is a normal lion in a lion environment, and you drive through it, and it's probably dangerous shit as shit and keep your fucking windows rolled. You know that lady from the Game of Thrones, one of the video editors, one of the editors from the Game of Thrones got killed by a lion in one of those parks. In the safari? She rolled her window down and she was leaning out to take a photo or something. The cat reached in and grabbed her. Oh my god. I saw one of those videos where the people in the car, and like one of them, I think it's a tiger, not a tiger,

Africa, but it was a lion coming up to the car, and they're looking at it, and the lion just opened the door. Like it just put his paw on the door to open, and they're like, ah! Lock the fucking door, man. Imagine a little skinny ass piece of window that you could put your head through easy Yeah, and there's a lion right outside of it. You can put his head through it easily

Yeah, he doesn't know yeah, but if he just fucking smashes his head. It'll go right through that thing He's a lion if he's just like crazy that day if he just decides to pop it with his paw It's just gonna burst well. That's what's crazy about the tiger who killed the kid. It's like they were like He can't get out unless he's Really wants to it's like don't protect it from him really wanting to as well Well, they didn't have the proper height fence Yeah, they not only do they not have a roof on it the fence was two feet shy of what a tiger can jump over three-foot wall

Leaping over a three-foot wall and out of its enclosure. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They might have misunderstood when they wrote this article, but that's what this says. I don't think that's correct. I'm almost positive that it was 14 feet long. The wall was 1.2 meters, 4 feet shorter than the recommended minimum. But it was more than 3 feet. I think it was 12 feet hilarious was actually 3 feet and I'm like what's the problem that's crazy that it's 4 foot shy I'm reading multiple articles this one is even this was also weird I thought it happened in 2011 this says it was 2008 so I'm kind of confused on that too mmm maybe it's

more than one of those this was the same person that died in both articles. Oh how weird they're trying to say They were on drugs. It's like yeah, the guys were doesn't mean they deserve to die one three foot wall. That's so crazy I could jump a three foot wall. Oh, yeah, that's not real. I could try Try yeah, you could probably at least get over the top of it. There's no way it was that's no there's no what that's this tall That's crazy. That would be hilarious. I'm just made it three feet They're like he doesn't you know from the San Francisco newspaper. What does that one say picture of what it was? the wall Bro, that's pretty high

Says oh the new glass wall makes it 19 feet But it looks current wall used to be 12 feet. So that's where it was and the tiger jumped over that. And now they gave him an extra 5 feet. Fuck that place. But look how... They said the tiger couldn't have made that jump on the distance. They said it was too far.

It looks like it's built to have that tiger jump off that top part onto the thing. It's like it's built so he can jump out. Did they say the tiger jumped from the bottom or the tiger jump from that top part the articles? I was reading when it first happened. They weren't sure what the fuck happened They were like it doesn't make sense that it happened. They're like someone must have helped it what that's them covering their ass It is a little bit of that cuz that's them covering their ass like they know exactly what happened There was eyewitnesses people saw it happen also who could have helped it. Yeah So that's what it looked like No, exactly what happened there was eyewitnesses people saw it happen. Also who could have helped it. Yeah

So that's what it looked like Oh my god, imagine that thing coming over the top of that That's the three-foot fence. I think that they were saying exactly wait So if the pie if they're throwing pine is this the pine cone thing or the yeah So that it had to be below if they're throwing pine cones. No, it could be over there They could throw it over the ridge you think it got all the way to the yeah. Yeah, you could throw that that's not that far. No, no No, no, that looks like 15 yards max. Let me see that again. Let me see that photo again Yeah, that doesn't look that far dude. It's a big jump though. I guess you can it's probably a big jump for a cat I don't know if you made the jump. I think he made the jump from the bottom

That's yeah, the argued that the one that was confusing said that it was basically in these bushes What they fucking when they were standing on this rail throwing shit at it And then they got too close and found out like there was one way closer than they thought That's not what I heard. I know I know it doesn't make sense I don't know that what I had heard was the thing was over there They were continuing to throw things at it, and it came towards them and jumped over the wall Which only makes sense ray? Oh eyewitness accounts statements from the time. Here's already my confusion though This is from 2011 and those last two articles were 2008

Hmm. Well, maybe they didn't release the whole story until 2011 Yeah, there it is. Okay, so I'll say the lawsuit. Yeah, they should fucking sue for sure I mean definitely you shouldn't throw pinecones at Tigers. I just have to die. You're fucking kid You're a dumbass kid that could have been us if we were both 17 and I'd go I dare you to throw a pinecone. Come on pussy. Just a pinecone from the bottom of the moat And to the dry moat to the top of the wall Wow the moat and to the dry moat to the top of the wall Wow no that's crazy from the bottom of the dry moat so they got into the bottom of yeah like I thought it was at the bottom of the thing I can't imagine jumping on unless it was

provoked yeah but it shouldn't be able to jump out if it's provoked yeah that's so you should crazy you should have a backup plan for the Tigers emotions yeah also why don't you have guards to make sure that someone doesn't do something like the tiger can't get out as long as it's the Tigers chill Wow followed someone's blood trail for about 300 yards where resumed attacks oh my god photo show blood smeared asphalt where the tiger apparently drags Sosa's body it found the blood trail the tiger would leave a kill to go after something else unless it were a compelling reason.

Oh my God, another victim blaming. The tiger passed exhibits with warthogs, which it ignored as it followed the blood trail of the two brothers to the Terrace Cafe outside the dining area. This is a real what are they wearing? What were they wearing? That's exactly what it is.

They were high, or like when a black person gets killed and they try to vilify the black guy, they're like, he was on drugs, That's exactly what it is. They were high, or like when a black person gets killed and they try to vilify the black guy, they're like, he was on drugs. It's kind of like that. They're like, he was high, they should have provoked him. But it's like, you should have a cage where a tiger can't get out on any mood the tiger's in.

Whether he's happy or mad, they should test every mood and see if he can jump out in any of the moods. Also, what if it killed some old lady who was just there with her niece? Yeah. You know, showing her around. And what if, you know, who the fuck knows what could have happened?

You're just guessing. And it didn't even kill the friend, it didn't even kill the guy, it killed the other guy. I don't know who it killed. Now I'm saying that, I'm trying to remember. But I bet it killed. Yeah, it killed the younger of the three. The other two were brothers that were not killed.

Who was the one that threw the pine cones were they all thrown? It sucks that they'd know that that tiger was like maybe they were all thrown pine cones Maybe I heard the story wrong or the tiger was just clearly more annoyed by one of them like one of them had a more annoying face Two of the fuck is closest. Yeah. Yeah, who's closest? Who's who's gonna get taken out first? This thing has never had a chance to take out anything Yeah, it's a little I mean the whole reason they exist is they are the cleanup crew for nature Anything that has a limp and anything that does something stupid you go walking through the thick grass. That's a wrap

That's what they're there for that. They're there for overpopulation. Yeah, because they exist around deer Yeah, of course. They exist around a very specific kind of deer. It's called an axis deer. And these deer move like lightning, dude. Yeah. You ever see the axis deer? No, I don't think so. They fucking, chow, they take off.

Like it's crazy because they evolved around tigers. Right. So they just explode away so fast. The last time you see those water buffalo moving, they seem to completely forget about tigers or lions until they jump out and then they're like oh shit and then they all run away. Not that many lions eat water buffaloes. No. They're so big they're too dangerous you can get a broken jaw broken leg they stomp your head you're dead. But yeah I agree that predators it sucks for them in the zoo

but you never want to have a zoo is just prey that would kind of suck. Reported that her claws were not frayed suggesting that she made the 12 foot 9 inch leap on her first attempt Oh my god, dr Dunker also reported that there was no disease or signs of trauma on the body other than bullet wounds for the for the cat Jesus Christ. Do you know there's one specific tribe of lions in Africa that does hunt water buffalo? Yeah, because they got stranded on an island Oh, the the currents change of this river and these lions got stranded on this island that only has water buffalo Oh, and so the female lions evolved to become much larger than normal female lions. They look like Hulk lions. It's crazy

It's called relentless enemies. They're the hunters the females Yes, the females of the hunters. So they got as big as male lions So the female hunters are as jet their jack too Like they look freakish because they have to take out water buffalo all the time Have you seen the video the best nature video? I mean, it's very the one about the water buffalo is walking and the lion comes and they like it's like four lines And they never go after the big one. It's always like four of them after like a baby water beller ride a wheelchair it's like yeah, and they push him into the water and then a crocodile comes out of the water and grabs a water buffalo the baby and

then the The lines are like having a tug-of-war with like the crocodile. It's like it's a yeah. Yeah, I've seen that But uh, that's the crocodiles of the ultimate cleanup crew Yeah, you see we can find that relentless enemies thing because you should gotta see what these female lines look like Right just show it to us because these female lions, they don't even look real they look like CGI lions They're super jacked so the female lions are normally smaller, but they are the hunter They're the hunters but this this documented relentless and see you find one of the images of the jack, look at what she's built like. She's built like a male.

That's insane. She's fucking huge. Those arms are huge, yeah. Huge. Because they have to take out water buffalo. She's like a female bodybuilder. It's a great documentary though. Because it's just about nature adapting.

Right. Look at the size of her. Oh my god. They's so much bigger and You know they have to be because these fucking things are ruthless me water buffalo are huge Yeah, they're tough as shit. You can hang off and with their claws, and they don't even notice it. Yeah Those have like bugs on them, and they don't notice like yeah fucking shit life like yeah fucking shit life have you done this have you done safari no my buddy mckay damn mckay my friend he did it and he sent me a footage of a line like killing a like a prey right in front of him yeah he just filmed it yeah and

they're in those open jeeps yeah yeah what is that about? yeah like that shit up. What is that about? they just haven't figured out yet that they can get you? people love it's like the zoo they love to have it all open. Yeah. They love to just like, you know, push it as far as they can. Bro, I want to be in an Iron Man suit with a chainmail gun. Yeah. One of those chain gun. I do not want to be. I like how you said Iron Man suit, like it's a real thing. If I had one.

Are those Iron Man suits? What happened? Power went out. Is the video recording? The video is the only thing recording. Can we keep going or should we stop? Oh, there it goes again. It's the hottest day of the year. But I have a problem with the AC being overpowered, but yeah, I mean I'll turn everything back on. It's today the hottest day of the year?

So far, yeah, it's gonna be 107. Oh, God. We're still recording. Really? Yeah. The cameras shut off and on too, though. I don't know to tell you. The screen's still on, cameras are still on. That's still moving.

Time's still going. How hot is it today? 106, 107. God, it didn't feel like it. You ever be at a club where the lights go? I don't know what to do. We might want to stop for like five minutes to make sure this doesn't keep happening

while we have the opportunity before it fucks up more. I don't know, your call. But it's recording, right? Yeah, but it's flickered four or five times. Right, what could possibly happen? It stops recording. Flickered again. Well, we have a chance for it to stop.

Might want to take a break. That's all. OK, we'll take a little break. We'll come back, ladies and gentlemen, and non-binary folk. Now we're up. Oh, we were just about to complain about the government or whoever it is.

They're cracking down on our controversial takes on lines. It's YouTube, man. They're cracking down on our controversial takes on lines and watch. It's YouTube, man. They're trying to ban free speech, man. Yeah, I just got an update. There's a local outage. It's going to take two hours to get everybody else's power out. We got lucky, I guess.

Oh, okay. I feel privileged. Is it a brownout? Is this one of them brownouts? I just got a notice for my house. It says Austin Energy outage may affect until 438 p.m. That's true. Is it a brownout is this one of them brownouts? Texas has its own grid, which is great until it's not Real close apparently during the cold front it got real close

They were like 30 minutes away from losing the whole grid No, my friend was my best friend from here Zach and he and he was here during the, when they had to like, what, melt the snow or whatever the, I don't know, whatever it just became like a... It was crazy. Some crazy survival thing. That was the first year we lived here. No one knows how to drive in the snow. It was hilarious.

Yeah, now I remember that. People with Corvettes like spinning around in intersections. No, he was melting snow. Why was he melting, like they had to melt snow for something. It was- For what? I don't know.

It was like the, when there was like that movie Alive. They needed water. They melted snow for water? It was for water, yeah. Could be. I think the, yeah. Pipes froze? Yeah.

Yeah, that makes sense. It was crazy, yeah. Yeah, you gotta have some water folks. Yeah. Keep some water in your house. It's a good move. If you're in a place that happens like that. So if this happens in Boston, they

know how to deal with snowy roads. They fix things. It's easy. They plow. Everything's back online. Anytime there's snow, it all shuts down for a few weeks. They don't have plows. Hey, guys, I've been here twice and it snowed.

How about buy a fucking plow? Have one. Yeah. Yeah, I guess it just haven't happened enough for them to, you know, yeah, but. That's so stupid. Yeah, no, I know. Louisville, I'm from Louisville, Kentucky,

it's kind of like that too, whenever it snowed it would shut down the whole city. It's funny if you grow up in a place, like I grew up in Boston, which is like, snow is just normal. They don't even notice, yeah. It's just normal, it's part of, oh, it's snowing out. Did you even have, like, did school ever close? It had a fucking snow out. Did you even have like did school ever close it had a fucking snow? So that you miss school to close like

Closing school was such a fun. Oh, yeah, no no every time we did have them We did have snow days. Yes, you did fucking right right right, but in places like there If it's just snowing a little they let you go to school go to school. But is there anything better than a snow day? It was so exciting I think I learned more in snow days than I did in any other day worse If it's just snowing a little, they'll let you go to school. Go to school, bitch. Was there anything better than a snow day? It was so exciting. No, it was amazing. You get a day off. I think I learned more in snow days than I did in any other day.

Of course, and then you'd be watching the TV waiting for your county to be listed as the one that could be, and you're like, fuck. Please, I could stay home and watch cartoons, please. It was no greater joy than a snow day. Oh, it was wonderful. And now the snow sucks, you hate it. Someone should redesign school.

School's terrible. Yeah. It's just the whole design of getting kids to sit down all day. It's fucking terrible We wake them up at like farmer times I used to get up at like 5 in the morning like I was a farmer. Yeah, and your parents would just go back to bed They're like we don't go they just get up and then they go back to sleep I'd be on the bus at like 5 in the morning. It was just sad. Terrible for kids. And then they say, we have ADD. We're fucking tired.

Yeah, tired and bored. Yeah. And this shows this thing you're doing in front of me sucks. I got back to the Adderall thing. So I got addicted and I ended up. What did you just start off with? How much were you taking in the beginning? I think probably like 30 milligrams.

Right away. Yeah. Whoa. I think maybe it was a little less. Jamie, you said 20 kept you up for two days? Yeah, that's something. I'm not a maybe you said 20 kept you up for two days I'm not a user but 20 was plenty. I said user like that. I'm not a user like this junkie I'm not a user. I

Started off with 30s. Yeah, you start taking it every day or yeah right away. Yeah recreationally first recreationally Then I got the prescription. So was FDA approved. Recreationally? First, recreationally, then I got the prescription, so it was FDA approved. So you did listen to a psychiatrist. I did listen. She is a doctor. Yes, but then I started taking more and having to buy them off the street. And then at one point I couldn't get any and this kid I knew, this kind of bad seed, I asked him if he had any, he had like something he said his uncle made, it was like a synthetic drug. Turned out to be bath salts. I ended up taking them. I was a greeter at a H&R block, you know, the tax place. And I just basically had this horrible panic meltdown.

Like it kicked in and I just thought I was about to die. And when I called my twin sister, I freaked her out. I was like, I think I'm about to die, goodbye. Then I hung up. And then she called back. And she was like, call the ambulance. They called the ambulance. My heart rate was at like 100 and like, I don't know, probably what yours is when you're exercising. But it was fast for me. Probably was normal. There was like 190 like crazy shit. Oh my God. And yeah, I totally...

That's redlining. It was crazy. Yeah, I almost died. And then I ended up going to rehab for Adderall Which is kind of embarrassing. How hard was it to kick? You know, I weaned off which was if you wean off, I think it's okay cold turkey is not for me So what did you you said you were up to 90 a day. So how'd you wean? You know, it's just 80 Really? I think something like that. Yeah, so were you completely functional when you were on it or were you out of your mind? No, no, I was functional.

I was annoying. That was the thing. I was annoying. Oh, you couldn't stop talking. Yeah, I got really annoying. And that, it ended up like people were just, that's the thing, people think drugs will, you know, I'm not like a crazy person, but I just annoyed everyone. Right.

And so the intervention was more like, you're really annoying, you talk nonstop. And then I got off and it was kind of the same. It wasn't that different. I'm like, no, that's just me. And you're a lot of work. It's actually a perk. Yeah, exactly.

It's actually a plus. But I miss it. I mean, I could never do it again, but I miss it. It was a great, it was my favorite drug. It made you, because I have, like everyone, I have low self-esteem. And when did it it made me it made me just write I just was so productive on it really yeah cuz it when I write I mean I've gotten better at it now over the years

But when I write you have that voice telling you it's shit, and you can't like move forward And and this the adderall like this was before I was I was doing stand-up a little bit writing screenplays and stuff and the Adderall Gave me the confidence to just fucking plow through it. It wasn't all good, but some of those good. Hmm You know, well, I mean that's why they were prescribing it to people back in the day when they first came up with it Like in Nazi Germany even before they were giving it to the Nazis you could buy that. What was it called perc? What is it called? Pervitin? Pervitin? Pervitin. That's the Hitler speed? Well it was the for sale version of methamphetamine that you could buy at drugstores. And people

would just take it. It was like a low dose. It's essentially just like, that's it right there. Kind of real similar to Adderall in a lot of ways. But it was a, you know, it was methamphetamine. Oh right. And you just could take it. This is like over the counter, right? Yeah. Back when they had like heroin candy.

Look at that. Methamphetamine hydrochloride. Oh man. That's crazy. So it was a small dose and people would take it all day long and it gave them all this energy to get things done. I mean think about the engineering that was coming out of Germany at the same time. Yeah, they were focused.

They were fucking dialed in. He was really focused on that Jew-hating, that animal really, that speed really focused. Yeah. If he wasn't on it, he probably wouldn't have killed as many people. Well, if he wasn't on everything, he was on oxycodone, and they were giving him

all these crazy animal hormones. He was having them remove animal organs, and they were giving him all these crazy animal hormones. He was having them remove animal organs and they were injecting glands into Hitler's body. He was like, they were practicing on it. But here's what I don't get. I've done oxycodone and when I'm on it, I'm very loving. I love everyone. He was on it and he was still hating it. It's like, he should have been like, I love the juice.

Like the oxycodone should have made him like more lovey-dovey. Yeah, that's why I was confused too, because I had always heard that it was meth. Because I knew that there was meth use, and I knew that Hitler liked cocaine, and they used to shoot him up with testosterone too. And that makes sense. That makes sense. You're a meth, you're like, we got a problem. Yeah.

I'm focused. I'm going to commit to it. But the oxy, it's like when Rush Limbaugh, you found out he was on oxy, he was always so like angry. Right, right, right. And I feel like out he was on oxy he was always so like angry right? I was on oxy. I'd be like everything's gonna work out. He was on like 90 pills a day But we're like the love did so much they think it's part of the reason why he went deaf really yeah rush Yeah, there's actually like a thing that happens when you overdose on too much opiates It's fries your fucking ears, but why like to have all that hate on the painkillers, I just don't get.

When I'm on painkillers, I love my enemies. I think it's because you're a nice guy. Oh, I like that spin. I think who you are, like, at your core, like, while you operate in life, whatever you're taking, whether it's alcohol or pot or whatever, it only enhances that, who you are at your core. So if you're like an evil person deep down but you're covering it and then you get drunk and you get really vicious with people,

those people are probably already vicious inside of them. Right, that's totally true. Or if you're a happy drunk, you're probably a good guy and you need a couple of drinks to feel loose and now you're fun, you're having a good time, you're loving, you're hugging everybody. No, that's a good point. It's like, when I used to drink,

I would tell people I love them. Now I'm sober, I don't tell anyone I love them. Now I'm sober, I'm more sober. Right. Like I'm just rigid. That's the benefit of some drugs, is that they allow you to relax whatever insecurities you have and just be cool with people.

So my girlfriend, speaking of drugs, she's on serious blood thinners because she just had a stroke. Oh, Jesus Christ. How old is she? Like a couple weeks ago. She's 85. So when we started dating two and a half years ago, she was about to get open heart surgery. Yeah, like she told me that on our first date.

Oh my God. Yeah. Is this is like something she was born with. It was a congenital heart thing, mitral valve. She had a mitral valve leak. Oh Jesus. And she found it out. She's 37. And so four months into our dating, she got open heart surgery. Oh my God. Yeah. And then everything was going well. And then like, like this month like I don't know maybe a month ago I'm going to see a screening of my friend's movie this really great comic Isabella Hagan had funded her own movie I'm gonna see it. We're gonna meet and she calls me. She says her she can't see out of her left eye She's on the subway and we had to like call an ambulance and like rush to the hospital

And like the crazy thing is the ambulance did not take us right away Like we got in there and they like had to make her fill out her insurance oh my god for like 20 minutes oh my god that's insane with one eye with one eye oh my god that's so crazy I thought an ambulance just goes I thought they'd go too they were like getting the insurance she's like dying they're like what's your group member ID number oh my god and then they finally went and there was no siren We just had the ambulance without the siren. Oh my god pointless, you know It's our ambulance in traffic ambulance in traffic. We get to this like ER type place

They think she's having a stroke and we had like a person on TV. It was like black mirror They got like some neurologist who was like on vacation. She just, they brought the TV in, like a TV and she was on the video. The camera was moving around the room looking at people, it was so bizarre. And she said if it's a stroke, she had to go on like really intense,

like blood thinners for the day. And that, they were so intense that if she even bumped her head, she could get bleeding in the brain. So they had to like observe her for like a day on these really like she couldn't go anywhere Because if she she bled so easily on these blood thinners, right? She said stay put Yeah, so they gave it to her. She started bleeding out of her mouth right away. She had like a cut in her mouth she's like smiling like blood coming out of her mouth and and then and Then the craziest part is so they had to take her to the ICU to observe her

but we weren't at an ICU, we were at like an ER that didn't have people stay the night. So we had to, even though she was on these blood thinners because you had to go on them for four hours, they had to put her in an ambulance in the rain and we had to drive to a place where she couldn't move for a day because she could get, if she got hit. Her head was like on the glass. Oh my god. It was insane. Yeah it was insane. A lot of problems with like EMTs and people like that. It's not a problem but it's part of the job as they get real accustomed to people being fucked up and dying. I know that yeah they didn't seem to be that urgent. It's kind of crazy.

Like I've talked to friends that worked as EMTs, and they have the most morose senses of humor. And they're so used to people dying. And they tell you stories. They all have PTSD. They're all fucked up. They all get the gunshot wounds, and they all see the worst shit, car accidents, the worst shit, motorcycle crashes. For us, it was like a huge emergency, but for them, it's just a stroke. Her head's intact,

whatever. Oh my God, it's so crazy. She lost, she can't get it back. She has like a blind spotter right now. Oh my God. Yeah. No way it's coming back or? She's gotten used to seeing out both eyes, but when she closes one eye, there's like this, it's like your forehead would be like a little whited out. Oh wow. And I don't think it's going to come back. She's doing great. She's like handled it very well. But yeah, it was sad we left the hospital after like a couple days. And the saddest part is like we went outside and there was like a sunrise or a sunset. And she was like, I can't, it doesn't look very pretty to me. Oh no.

Yeah, it was awful. But she's gotten a lot. I think she can see a lot. She's more adjusted to it. But I feel so feel so old I'm like my girlfriend had a stroke I got a pastrami sandwich for her there and I felt like just an old Jewish couple just eating a pastrami sandwich after one of them had a stroke after one of them had a stroke like yeah take your pastrami yeah but uh you know I never thought in a million years I'd be the healthier one in the relationship.

That's the luck of the draw. It's nice and evens out. Like, when she had open heart surgery, we were both, I make a bit about this, but we were both kind of equally out of breath. We'd go up subway stairs and we'd both just be like, fancy. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah. But she's doing great and she handled it very well.

She's like a better person than me, which is kind of annoying. So even in the hospital, she was like super worried about... She's a therapist who's super worried about her patients while she was having the stroke. Oh, wow. It's kind of annoying when people are like... That good? Yeah. You're like, shut up.

Yeah. Well, that's the kind of therapist you want, so she doesn't get jaded by the world. Not good. Yeah. Yeah That's the kind of therapist you want. Yeah, so she doesn't get jaded by the world not yet Therapist that's another one I mean you got to think everyone's out of the fucking mind because everybody you're talking to is out of their fucking mind Oh, yeah, and she sees people like it's you know She she helps she's a social workers therapist or she helps people who have like, you know Typically can't afford like so it's So it's not white people problem therapy. It's like, you know, safety planning.

You know, how do I, you know, that kind of stuff. It's not like, I feel unhappy. It's like, your husband beat you, how do we get you out of the house kind of stuff. You know, boy. Yeah, she has an intense life. But it's nice to date, because to me, the hardest part about dating someone is their job

They have to tell boring work stories, and you just have to deal with it right, but her stories are never boring They're always like insane shit. You know I guess that's better It's better than pretending you care about like her friend being mad at her at you know whatever after certain point time You might look for that. Yeah. I'm looking for nonsense talk now. I like heavy. Do you?

I think so. Even when she told me she had about to get open heart surgery. I mean, I like to get excited, but I was like, I'm not, I don't, I don't like shy away from that stuff, you know? That's probably a good sign. Yeah. Yeah. No, it feels like we've been married for like 25 years now.

Yeah. You've gone through a lot, right? Yeah. You learn about someone. Someone's going through heart surgery. Yeah. React to it in the hospital. When she had it, there's like, have you ever been to the hospital? Someone gets surgery. There's like a giant terminal thing that shows everyone's names.

And it says like in the middle, if they're in the middle surgery or not and then sometimes will just flash cancelled and you're like did that person die but I think they just like yeah but yeah it's intense but I got a couple good bits out of it and that's what's important. Did she get upset that you have bits about it? Uh, no. Maybe she might have been disturbed a little by the speed in which I... Well, it's tough. I was in a rut a little. Sometimes you're in a rut with comedy, and then something crazy happens. It just starts coming, you know what I mean? Yeah, the problem is if it involves someone else. We get in that we get in that yeah

Which I get I mean she's not a comedian. She doesn't give us like I just want to be personal right? I want to bravely disclose all her personal And how much trouble you're having this is hard yeah, I'm very brave for bringing this stuff up about you absolutely Yeah, I'm very brave for bringing this stuff up about you. Absolutely. I feel that way But uh, but yeah, no, but she's yes, she's amazing And yeah, it's my first like serious relationship and I'm already in like like serious and I'm already it's I went from like your first Ever a serious one like moving in with the person. Oh, wow. I know I'm like 40 But you're a comic and it's like it's so hard for comics to just settle down to Just staying put and doing things with a person He's so used to just running from club to club and set to set and meeting your friends and it just becomes a bizarre

Lifestyle especially when I moved to New York I got into the cellar and at that point like you it's really hard to date people because you get a lot of spots Right anyone, but yeah, your night times night times are filled yeah exactly and they get mad you don't have to do this at tonight but I do yeah you have to I remember when I was dating this girl I was 25 and she was like you don't have to go up tonight I'm like but I do I suck I need to get better this is only one way to do it I know but I am working with like my therapist about realizing that, you know, I always for years saw the person you're in a relationship with is somehow an enemy of your artistic process. Oh. You know?

Like they're there to stifle you. It's an unhealthy way of thinking, and I've tried to work about it. How did you develop that way of thinking, you think? I think my mom, though she's great, was pretty overbearing, like a Jewish mother, and I think my mom, though she's great, was like pretty overbearing, like a Jewish mother. And I think I, she was so, um, kind of like always like, overbearing, like always wanting to know what's going on, that I think my response was like,

go in my room and shut people out. And so I think I'm afraid, you know, she's a Jewish mother, so she just tells me what, everything to do at all times. So I think I've associated intimacy with someone, afraid, you know, she's a Jewish mother, so she just tells me everything to do at all times. Right. So I think I've associated intimacy with someone, I came up with this, my therapist brought this up, I'm not smart enough to realize this, but I think I associate intimacy with someone trying to stifle me or smother me, you know?

Yeah. As opposed to like something where you're trying to, you know, be in something. But that also can happen if you're with someone who has, they don't understand, like if they have unreal expectations, they expect you to just quit doing comics. Like I had a friend, and he was a good comic, and he was dating this woman who wanted him to get a job. And he was doing pretty good, you know?

He wasn't like headlining all the places, but he was middling quite a few places. And like he had some bits that were bangers. He had some good bits, and he could have been a really good comic and he got divorced a couple years later like I ran into him three years later he got divorced he was trying to do comedy again but he hadn't done comedy in three years and he lost all of his momentum and he couldn't get spots and no one gave a shit and everybody else had kind of moved on and moved up.

And that's a bad relationship because she doesn't understand him or like she thinks like my thing is my girlfriend doesn't think that way And I sometimes find myself projecting that onto her right cuz I project like like she'll just be like I don't I'm not comfortable With you doing this joke, and I'm like quit trying to silence me I think the thing was with this guy is that he was in his 30s, and it hadn't happened yet Yeah, and it was one of those, probably the parents, like what is he doing, what if he doesn't make it, you know? Right, right.

Like, have you ever experienced that? I had a girl that I was dating when I was 21 and her father said that, like, what if he doesn't make it? Like, first of all, I'm fucking 21, all right? I'm a little kid, right? Leave me alone, asshole. Yeah, yeah. Second of all, like, who knows, yeah, he's right. I was like, who fucking knows? I might not make it, but I'm a little kid right leave me alone. Yeah. Yeah, second of all like who know yeah, he's right I was like who fucking knows I might not make it, but I'm gonna try

I'm not gonna not try because I might not make it That's a pussy's way to live life of course and like yeah I mean you have to like I don't know I mean to me It's not about making but if you love something do it and do it if even if you're broke I mean to me it's I don't believe in like I don't I don't think of things as having a safety plan David Mamet I think was him said that like don't have a safety plan because you're under falling back on it yeah that's common yeah don't have a net don't have a net you will fall I think you just have to if you love some like for me I

love comedy I love like making movies I'm focused on that that's wonderful but there are guys that are doing open mic nights for 25 fucking years, and they're still terrible. Yes Maybe those guys should move on oh a hundred percent The question is are you one of those people right and you well at 21? I really didn't know if I was nice people But you have to at least give it a chance and if you're dating someone that doesn't want you to do something wild and take A chance like this is not gonna work. Yeah, it's definitely good. Especially if you're dating someone that doesn't want you to do something wild and take a chance like this is not gonna work Yeah, it's definitely good. Especially if you have a kid

I feel like it's definitely good to already have a career of some like I have a career It's not like amazing, but it's a career. Yeah, and that helps like it's like I am making money Yes, but it's really tough if you're like don't make money. Oh, yeah relationship Especially have a kid. Oh if you have a kid and you're starting out as a comic boy That is a fucking uphill slog your fuck cuz then you're also selfish now Right yourself if you're taking spots. Yeah when you should be good. So that's that's tough Yeah, well if you live in the city at least you do it when everyone's asleep, right? Right, you know I did when I was living in LA. I would do 10 o'clock shows

So I'd be at home and then everybody's basically going to bed. I'm like, I'm going out. I'm going to go do shows. So I do shows from 9 PM on. That's true. But how was, was it hard when you first had a kid? Like, Yeah, it's crazy. That's gotta be tough doing comedy. It's crazy. But it's also, you know, the thing is like they go to bed early. And as long as you have a spouse that understands what's going on and she's cool with it, you can go out and do sets.

But if you're starting out then and this is like this pipe dream that you have and you're not making any money doing it, that's a totally different thing. Like I was already a headliner, I was already on television, I was already making money. That's how we made money. I had to go do comedy. So that's a job but it's not a dream. You know it's, if you're chasing a dream and you're 36 and you have three kids and you want to quit your job at the accounting

company, like yikes. Now you're kind of being an asshole. It's also, it's like, what are the, you better get really fucking good before you quit that job. Like, how are you going to have the time to get really fucking good? Yeah, exactly. You want to like, if you're going to have a kid, I think we talked about this possibility at some point, it's like you want to at least make enough money in your career that if you had a kid you'd actually just have to work harder at your career as opposed to getting another career. Right, exactly, exactly. And it's like there's a lot of people that are they have the dream of stand-up but they probably haven't really gone at it a hundred percent%. Yeah, well that's the other thing. And they still have this thing in the back of their head

that one day they will, and one day they'll really bear down and really start writing and really start performing more often and going up more than twice a week, and they just don't. And then they get into this situation where like, oh my God, everyone's kind of passed me by. And all the guys I started out with are now working professionals touring the road, and I'm still stuck in LA. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, you have to I mean you have to work hard at it. We were talking about if we had a kid Like I was like talking and I was like, well you would you know on the weekend

I'll be on the road But during the during the day during the week I'd babysit the kid and she's like Doesn't feel like you're very serious if you're referring to it as if you're referring to it as babysitting. Baby sick. Your own kid. Yeah, you can't say, what'd you do all day? I had babysat. Oh, whose kid?

Mine. What? It doesn't seem like you're really committed to it. It seems like you- Oh, I babysit the kid. You have a very clear responsibility and it's not yours. I'll do your job for you if you want to take a nap. That you go back to do it-

I'll babysit the kid for you. You do back to being the boss of the kids. Just pay me $10 Give me what number to call if anything goes wrong Yeah, that's hilarious, but yeah, it's yeah having a kid is scary, but you know I think it's good You know I think it's good, but it's not good for everybody, and it's not good Depending upon what kind of relationship you're in right you know can't do it to save. Oh my god I've seen that happen before like what are you doing? Are you crazy? You guys are about to break up now? Yeah?

Yeah, that doesn't work. No. It's like we're about to keep us together Sword I guess yeah, I mean you'll always talk I feel like kids break people apart more than anything They break some people apart. They bring some people closer. They definitely brought me and my wife closer. Really? Yeah, it's not a... It doesn't have to be a negative thing. It's just like comics look at it as a thief of their time.

I know. You know, and, you know, Louis said it best. He said, you just got to let it change you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I thought that was really good advice. Because it definitely changes you, and you can't resist it. You just got to be who you are now. You're just a different person now.

Now you're a person that's watching babies come out of your wife's body, and then grow up and talk to you, and you take them to do things together, and you have fun laughing together. It's like this very strange thing, where a life that did not exist now exists. Right.

And you love it more than anything you've ever loved in your life. You love this person. And you love it no matter if the kid ever loved in your life You love this person and you love it No matter if the kid is like telling a boring story like it goes beyond like with your friends You're like every story is gonna be entertaining, you know, yeah people you love it's like you just love them I talked to my kids about the most boring shit To them it's not boring, you know, they like to talk about bands they like and stuff they like and it's interesting You know

It's fascinating to watch their little minds grow and the way they interface with the world and see them develop skills and things Yeah, all my siblings have kids. They're a lot of fun. It's time to do it. If you're 40 I know I keep on asking like I'm rushing I keep on acting like I'm rushing into things I'm like, I don't know it seems so quick and then I'm like wait, I'm 40 years It seems so quick and then I'm like wait, I'm 40 years. Yeah I always think I'm rushing into things when it's actually like the last chance At least the last chance of the you know, we will it's gonna be a little on hold to this stroke. Yeah, I would say Jesus Christ she's on blood thinners now. She's like a hemophiliac how long changing down there else

What how long she have to stay on those? For until they figure out what kind of cause Roger Ailes is a hemophiliac. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jesus. That's a scary one I know everybody could just punch you to death. Yeah, or yeah, just give you a bloody nose and you bleed out Yeah, it's crazy. That's nuts. Yeah, that's how she was. I mean, she's not like that now, but in the ICU She's basically hemophiliac. Yeah, and so she has to stay on these for how long I think they're trying to find out exactly they don't still know what caused the stroke Wow, they assume it's something to do as a heart surgery makes sense Either that or God hates her and just giving her a bunch of shit a double whammy to deal with but but I think it's Yeah, I think they'll find out but yeah, hopefully not. I mean, I think you'd have to get off if we had a kid. Yeah

But yeah, hopefully not. I mean, I think you'd have to get off if we had a kid. Yeah We have like six six nephews and nieces. So you you're like you've got baby fever a little bit It seems like you keep talking about it. Um A little bit a little bit touch little touch But also like also like not having a kid I don know. They both have good points and bad points for sure I don't think everybody needs to but you know, there's a lot of people that have kids say everybody stuff kid I think you can have a wonderful life without having children I think it's totally possible but well the people killed their kids probably should have had kids Everybody should have it. Yeah, I read this horrible story about this child

Prodigy that like the mother trained this child to do everything. They rebelled at 18 and she killed them. Oh my God. Yeah. Rebelled against a thing? I forget, but I got so disturbed by it. I turned the page, but I was reading about this.

But that person shouldn't have had a kid. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of psychos that their kid is just a representation of the, it's not an individual You're writing its their property is them going through life that you will do what I tell you to do You will be a lawyer. You'll be a football player whatever the fuck it is Like well, that's why the other bullshit thing and the people who act like kids make you a better person. That's not everybody That's not true. Yeah

It's like the oxycodone thing. Yeah. Who are you? Exactly. It intensifies, it's actually who you are, but now there's like much bigger moral consequences. Like you can be kind of a dick, but it's not that big of a deal. But then if you have a kid and you're still a dick, now you're like a bad person. Where before you're just like kind of a dick. Or you're just exuding excellence in broadcasting. Yes. Or you're just exuding excellence in broadcasting Kind of makes sense why he's so cocky the guy was like flying high all day

rush rush yeah That's excellence in broadcasting. Yeah, that was his thing right? Yeah excellence in broadcasting Rush limbo just said never at once just be at peace just made me think too like this whole idea of conservatives being like buttoned down sober people look at the world clearly now your fucking main guys peeled out of his fucking mind spouting out nonsense Obama's from Kenya we'll be right back they're like they're like the real fucking hippies on all these drugs yeah well as long as it's prescribed by a doctor it's not a drug that's how I go They're like the real fucking hippies on all these drugs. Yeah. As long as it's prescribed by a doctor, it's not a drug.

That's how I go by it. The doctor said. FDA approved. The doctor said. I told the doctor I have a natural problem. They gave me a prescription. It is so funny to be like that. I have a real problem.

We'll just prescribe it for you. That is so wild that they said that to you. I know. It was insane. That's so wild. Yeah, well you need it. You obviously are on it and you shouldn't get off of it because then you could die or something. You could fucking be slow and not as...

It was hard to get off and it was hard to like go back to writing without it. Oh yeah. It's tough, but I had to do it. I can't go back on it now because I would chain smoke on it and I quit smoking. And honestly, that's more worrisome. Like if I took an Adderall, I would just chain smoke again. It seems like a lot of coping. A lot of things going on in your head right now

talking about this. Oh, wait, what do you mean? Because it always has a grip on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, well, maybe I could go back. But then I would start chain smoking. And I don't want to do that, so I don't want to go back. All right, let's do it.

Let's relapse right now. He's fucking crushed. I'm going to start snorting him. Lloyd Bridges from Airplane. Bad day to get back on Adderall. Yeah, I've avoided those, but I've been curious about Adderall. Have you never done it?

Nope. Nope. Never done it. Never done cocaine. Never done Adderall. So you're not. Because you do drugs. Yeah, but when I was a kid, I got very lucky.

And not lucky, but one of my friends, his cousin, was addicted to Coke. And I watched this guy's life completely fall apart. He was selling Coke. And it was like you got bit by a vampire? Yeah, it was a different person like he was real skinny and like look all gaunt and shit and just coked up all the time I fucked up. You're not supposed to use your own supply. That's like a well He didn't follow the rules I think a lot of them don't follow. It wasn't like a businessman

He was a guy who like got coke and sold some of it such a nerd, but that's not that's not drug dealer protocol I mean, it's from you know, the biggie the Ten Crack Commandments. He's had crack commandments Don't get high off your own supply. Yeah, I Yeah, I mean I I did a lot of coke back in the day too. It was, you see a lot of sunrises, which is pretty. That's a good way to look at it. I've seen way more sunrises now than I would have if I didn't do cocaine. But what about when you were getting up at farmer hours?

You saw a lot of sunrises then too. Yeah, but as a kid I didn't appreciate it. So the Adderall keeps you awake. When you're a kid you're never like, oh, look how beautiful sunrise. And it's easier to stay awake than it is to get up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good point.

Very good point. If you're on Adderall, it's way easier to just stay up. That sounds like a profound line in a song. Yeah. Like a Dylan line. It's easier to... When I was young, I used to love staying up all night. I used to think it was awesome that I would be going to bed when everybody was running

around. Oh yeah? It is. It's my favorite thing. It's a sacred time. I have this comedian friend of mine, great comic, Ben Moore, he had an awful sleeping schedule where he would literally go to bed at nine in the morning and woke up at five p.m.

It just started his day when everyone was like ending their. Was he a comic? Yeah, he was a comic. That's comic life. Yeah, that's a little too much. That's a lot. You need sunlight Yeah, every now and then you probably shouldn't do that. But every now and again do it. I don't think it's so bad But I like I mean I like sunlight. Yeah, I like to you know, it's good for you. Take a vitamin D How you stay healthy, but I was when I was like in my early 20s when I lived in New York

I would stay up all night all the time. Really? Yeah, I'd go to bed. Not on cocaine, it's very impressive. Just high on life? Playing pool mostly. Oh, you're a big pool guy? Yeah, so I'd go to the clubs, then afterwards go to the pool hall, play pool till four o'clock in the morning,

go to a diner, get something to eat with my friends. Six o'clock in the morning, I was hanging out with just complete derelicts, like pool hustlers and crazy people and comics. So it was like no one was normal. And so then it was normal. So I called someone at five o'clock. I said I just woke up.

They would think it was funny. It's like, I was up all night. It was normal. It wasn't like you, loser. It was like, oh, you're living the crazy young life. And you liked it, huh? Yeah, it was a good time. I'm impressed that you could do that without cocaine.

I feel like that's very impressive. Yeah, but when you're playing pool all night and you're drinking coffee and just hanging out It's that's the time and also I was so used to it Oh, so you I didn't have anything to get up for right? I didn't have a job Yeah, I just started making money doing comedy So I had enough money that I that comedy for the first time in life was like legitimately paying my bills Oh, wow paying my rent. I had car, like I was driving around to gigs, I was doing like headliner gigs in Connecticut and Jersey, like $500 there, $350 there. So every week I was making like a good amount of money and I was just having a good time.

That's great. I always, they always talk about like the moment where you start making it and you can quit your day job. Yeah. That never happened. I had, I would have day jobs and make a little money on comedy and then the day job would want to fire me because I wasn't there enough. But I'd like, no, I need this job.

I don't make enough in comedy. And then they'd fire me. I'd be like forced to like focus on comedy. How many years in did you become a complete professional? I think like 11. Oh, wow. So you really did keep a job for, do you think the job held you back or do you think it helped you?

No, no, I only had like shitty, like kind of like part-time jobs. I think around nine, I started opening for Cassie Madigan on the road and that's when I first started having money and she was great and it was great working with her. She's hilarious. She's amazing and I really learned a lot from her

and she's one of the best. And that's when I first kind of had money where I could like actually move to New York I think I had part-time jobs and I was just living with my parents and doing comedy on the road going to like the looney bins taking greyhounds I took greyhounds everywhere it was I paid my dues that I would take it like an 18 hour greyhound oh I did that a couple of times. It's insane. It was Trips to a gig or rough. It's like the DMV on wheels. Yeah most depressing So here's fucking people like where are you in normal walks of life other than Walmart?

You're like, yeah, how did you even get on a bus? Yeah, like it's I've heard like the craziest Shit on like the Greyhound is just like an insane But I'm not sorry about that one guy who cut a guy's head off on a Greyhound I used to have a bit about it because you know like other comics Other comics have like the observational airplane material, but I wasn't doing well enough to airplane. I'd open all my bits with Greyhound Just got here from the Greyhound. I had a bit about like I was I was surprised the bus even stopped after that Usually usually just keep on going going hope the shit works itself out That guy was he was just like schizophrenic or something. He cut some guys head off that was sitting next to schizophrenic

He cut it was a carney Canada man who behead bus passenger granted freedom What the Canadian legal system is insane wait what yeah? No he got off. He's like he got like out He's been granted freedom full freedom. Yeah, no, he got out. He's like, he got like out. He's been granted freedom. Full freedom? Yeah, no, it's crazy. When you read this, it'll make you like appreciate America. He was deemed not criminally responsible and received mental health treatment. A review board in Manitoba ordered his discharge without monitoring, saying he did not pose

a significant threat. When you behead someone on a bus, aren't you a significant threat? I just feel like once you beheaded someone. That's it That's it for you. Oh my god, right? He removed his internal organs Stabbed him. Oh my god Attack began without warnings alerted by screams from the victim The driver stopped the bus and fled with the passengers as Mr. Baker continued his attack. He was found not criminally responsible in 2009 for the killing, spent seven years in treatment, secure wing of a psychiatric hospital. The voice told

me I was the third story of the Bible, that I was like the second coming of Jesus and I was to save people from a space alien attack. He also said he was really sorry for what he had done. It's funny back to back. This is the best thing. I was the third. He took him completely out of context. Generally, I'm not a fan of that.

But in this stretch, I put that back up. I like how they talk him completely out of context and said, really sorry, in quotes. Not even dot dot dot. I was killing to prevent space aliens but also I bad are you sorry I'm really sorry okay something about really sorry that's just very funny for that well he definitely doesn't pose a significant threat to the safety of the public imagine imagine if that's your friend this guy cut your friend's head off and they just let him out it's insane

they did a radio lab about this like in America if you behead someone, that's like the end of your... That's a wrap. That's a wrap. As it should be. I feel like once you cut off a head, there's no resuscitating your career. But there they just like observed him for a little bit. He believed the victim was an alien. Well, he had his reasons. You hear about the lady in California that smoked weed and she stabbed her boyfriend, she killed him, she stabbed him like 11 times, something crazy, and they deemed her not criminally

responsible because she went psychotic, she had a psychotic break from the weed. But here's the thing, was she really sorry? She was really sorry. She was really sorry. Yeah, she was really sorry. I think she said really, really. So I think we're good. I feel like that guy needed another really don't you think that is one of those moments where I go

Okay, if that was a man that did that to a woman and had the same excuse I do not think anybody would buy it no not for a fucking second just to be like woman. Oh a hundred and eight times Excuse me Excuse me 108 times. Did I say 11? You said 11. I meant 108. What the fuck, California? I forgot.

A potent strain of pot. Yeah, it's super potent. That's a really potent strain. But it was really potent. Dude, relax. Stop being so judgy. I mean, it was really potent. Do they have to call it potent?

She went to jail scot-free. She was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. What is the difference between involuntary and vol- I didn't mean to kill him. I only stabbed him 108 times. Yeah, I guess involuntary. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,

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it again, because he plans it. You know? I see what you're saying. But the other one's like... He's got his reasons. The guy on the bus is like, I could kill anyone at any time. And they're like, well, that's not as bad. Although the two were dating, Spetscher told the outlet she never considered Amelia her official boyfriend and said she told him she no longer had any romantic interest in him two days before killing him okay she claimed he was aggressive

intimidating and had an a temper she told the outlet so when he encouraged her to hit a bong on the day of the stabbing she gave into the pressure then went into a deadly psychosis well I think her alibis that he was really annoying he seemed super annoying he got real loud and yelly. Yeah, imagine that for a word. He got super shouty, fuck that guy. Imagine a guy doing that. But also-

Kind of sorry, quote. So we're both accountable. Oh my God. But there's obviously been more attention to my part versus Chad's part, the part where the guy got stabbed 108 times, yeah. I feel like people are really focused on me, and I just don't think it's the full story.

Such sexism and bullshit. I stabbed him 108 times, but like, he also raised his voice a lot. He got shouty. Yeah, but they're just focusing on the... And he scared me. Okay, he fuckin' raised his voice. That's the problem, stabbing someone 111 times

really just... 108. Sorry, 108. It wasn't that potent. Hyperbolease. Raise his voice. That's the process stabbing someone 111 times really underneath 108 that wasn't that potent hyper believe Although they say potent weed as if super potent as if that's the strand like you go to the drugstore They're like this strand will have you stab your boyfriend month before the fatal encounter Amelia's roommate also had an extreme reaction after smoking out of the same bong Goldstein said he suffered hallucinations and fear of death But that just sounds like you get too high. That's just what every time I get a fucking bong does this guy have Yeah She only smoked pot less than a half a dozen times prior to the stabbing her lawyer said describing her as a naive user

She's naive But just imagine the sex is being reversed. She got really yelly and I got real nervous and You know, I had only smoked pot like six times before that. Oh, well then in that case. Yeah. Are you really really sorry? Also, like what about her part? Well, I guess she was kind of responsible It's just funny that they're using weed like it's like it's bath salts or crystal meth. It was a really strong weed 31% THC. That's pretty high son. But it's like... Caution for high tolerance users only. Yeah but the problem is the side effects or the effects of marijuana do not match that at all. It's the opposite. I don't yeah that's that's I think that's on her.

Los Angeles based dispensary found marijuana flour for sale legally with TH levels as high as 39%. That's even more potent. Similar levels were available Friday from a local competitor, but yet no one's running around stabbing people. It's just so crazy that they accepted that. That sounds so nuts. And you talk about victim blaming.

Well, what about Chad? Chad was really shouting. Oh blaming. What about Chad? Chad and then never mind. Yeah, never mind then didn't they say That's his name, right? Unless her name's Karen It was Sean Why did she but it's like what we said like Chad Chad? Chad people don't even care what the guy's fucking name Fuck Chad. I father Sean. I yeah, I mean like yeah That's what we talked about for when the drug brings out who you are inside, right?

Like the killing of the stabbing someone hundred eight times. That's that's you You know also like how do you keep doing it after you do it one or two? How do you know? Boring after a while. That's so crazy like your arm must get tired you stabbed him a hundred and eight times She's a pretty impressive workout. She probably like hurt herself It's a good point yeah, it's just I couldn't imagine ever I've seen those rolls reversed. There's no way Yeah, I stabbed her a hundred eight times, but here's the thing. She was real naggy. Super shouty.

And I was pretty high. Yeah, you're really high. And I don't get that high. All right, you are. Only smoke popped five or six times. That's not like your first time. That's not even like, five or six times is like, you know what weed does.

But weed doesn't do it. Doesn't do that. It doesn't make you kill people. No, no. I mean, you can go crazy though. You can freak out. Some people freak out. They really do, but that, she must have really

despised that guy. And that might have been like popped out of her. Or I'm with this fucking idiot. That's in there, not that deep. It's not like you're just like, yeah, fuck. Yeah, 108 times. I mean, I've had like, you know, I get anxious on weed. Yeah.

But you don't go around stabbing. No, I just sit there thinking, everyone's going to hate me and I'm going to die. I don't like think about stabbing people. 108 times. That is excessive. If you did anything 100 times on your high, you probably meant to do it.

Yeah, it seems like if you hit 108 golf balls, that's what you're trying to do. It's about the max you can do. You get pretty fucking tired. She looks more on Adderall with that amount of stabbing. That sounds so crazy I want to know if she was on anything else along with it because you know Like if you mix like Zoloft with cocaine, it's very dangerous There's certain things that you if you mix stuff with no bueno. Really? Yeah. People lose their fucking marbles. What's bad with Prozac? I'm on Prozac. It's a good question.

I should know. What is bad with Prozac? Let's find out. If you're on Prozac, should you be taking edibles? Oh, boy. What happens? I take one every night. Oh, well, you're the test. It's fine for you. I was looking up.

That's the thing. It's like what's fine for you is not fine for everybody I was looking up Nyquil because I was taking I also take a sleeping pill. I wanted to see if Nyquil here goes Okay, you shouldn't take It may increase your risk for bleeding problems Oh a couple of strokers make sure your doctor knows if you're also taking other medicines that thin the blood including non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen, well... I take Advil all the time. Interacts with monoamine oxidase inhibitors, MAOIs, other antidepressants, and blood thinners.

I sound like I'm okay. I can't make sure it's my girlfriend's medication. That's saying don't take ayahuasca though. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm not really... I don't think I would take ayahuasca. Well, don't do it. If you're on the Prozac don't do it. I'm not into that. It says non-steroidal anti-inflammatories and MAO inhibitors, and that's one of the ingredients. Serious bleeding, serotonin syndrome. What's the serious bleeding? I think it's about the blood thinning stuff.

Oh really? Manufacturer Prozac recommends that you avoid drinking and alcohol while taking his drug. Hey I don't drink. There you go. Alcohol can worsen. I think I'm good. Okay. I think I'm good. Just don't take my girlfriend's blood thinners. Does the Prozac make you kind of speedy at all? No, I have a really bad anxiety I've had my whole life. And I was on Paxil for like 10 years. And then I tried to get off of it. Like, what is Paxil? What is that one?

It's like an ant, it's just another SSRI. Yeah. Yeah. And I got off of it like five years ago. Just weaned off of it and And then like six months later. I had the worst panic of my life I basically was dizzy for like three months straight. Oh boy I had a panic attack on every show just on stage every open mic open mic or whatever I'd have a panic attack on stage was awful and

No super dizzy, and it was my psychiatrist said it wasn't even withdrawals This is the same one that gave you the Adderall description? No, no, no different one. Are you one of those guys that shops around for different psychiatrists? Well that was at Louisville, this was in New York After I went to rehab, I was like maybe I should get a different shrink but He I had like terrible like dizziness and I had to get on something else so I got on Prozac and it helped a little with that.

Is there anything else that helped other than Prozac? Is there any activities that helped? I don't have to like have my girlfriend, you know, bore her with having sex for too long. It helped that, you know, because it makes you, well actually it keeps you from getting it up. Oh. But I don't have that problem, so it's okay. So the Paxil was helping you in a different way than the Prozac is?

I think it was the same thing. I just didn't want to go back on Paxil because Paxil had a lot of weight gain. So I went on Prozac and then gained the weight anyway. And what was the difference in the way you felt on Paxil versus on Prozac? Both of them make it honestly made me feel kind of like the same, which is just like a somewhat anxious person. The problem was when I was on Paxil, I thought I didn't need it.

But the reason I thought I didn't need it is because I was on it. You know what I mean? That's the problem with people get off antidepressants. They're like, well, I don't need it. That's because it's working. So unless it's like a problem, I don't know. When I got off of it, it was like a nightmare, the anxiety I had.

It was like truly like, especially having panic attacks on stage. It's so shitty because we all get anxiety, but usually I'd come to believe that anxiety leaves you once you get on stage. Like it's a comfort zone. And I had lost that for a long time. I had like had panic panic all throughout a set.

Jesus. Yeah, it was awful. Was there anything else that you tried that helped that at all? I tried to meditate. Did that do anything? It helps a little. Honestly, the thing that helped the most was panic attacks on stage, was just continuing to have them,

to the point where you notice it doesn't Doesn't doesn't destroy the world like right because I would actually Still do okay on stage Actually people wouldn't really notice Like I go off after like that was horrible. They're like I don't even notice you know Which makes you feel more alone by the way the fact that you can have this hell in your head and no one notices And when you were doing this where there's sometimes you didn't have the hell in your head, or did it happen every time? I think it happened for those three months,

like, almost every time. I mean, sometimes maybe not. Or if I was doing a long set, like an hour, maybe it would go away after a while. But I honestly think just having them and then realizing it's not a big deal, that you can still do the show, that made it go away. Because I think the worst thing you can do is anxiety, it's like run away from it.

Like if you're anxious when you go outside, the worst thing you can do is just not go outside, because then it like builds. So having, if anyone has panic attacks on stage, just continuing to have them and letting your brain know that it's not a big deal, that it's gonna destroy you then it starts to go away you know so now I'm back to not really having them on stage but yeah it was tough like getting off medication was like a harsh show I mean I kind of wish I was never

on it to begin with you know do you wish you were on Prozac to begin with or do you think that like did something about taking the anti-anxiety medication? Accentuate it when you got off it Accentuate that yeah Like the anxiety that did you have the same level of anxiety before you did Paxil that you had when you got off of it? I think it was more like I mean, it's all a mystery, I guess. Why exactly?

But I think it was more like all this anxiety. It was this giant wave of anxiety that I just happened to have in my life. I had just come out with a special and I was feeling this like, I had this urge to just like create more stuff and like just, you know that feeling you have where you just want to get out as much stuff because you're afraid you're going to die? I had that urge kind of big. I was like, I got to do the next thing, the next thing. And then actually the way it started, I was at my brother's place and I looked in the

mirror and I saw these moles on my back and I was just convinced they were skin cancer. That's how it began. And not like, I always had hypochondria, but this was different. This was like, I knew I was gonna die. And then I went to the doctor and they were like, it doesn look like skin cancer and then the next day I stood up and was dizzy it was dizzy for like three months straight Jesus Christ yeah I think it was a wave of anxiety just where I was in my life but for the for the first time in ten years I didn't have something to mask it

which I think made it more intense you know I mean how long were you off it for about like four months and then I slowly got on Prozac. Maybe a little more. So four months of hell. Yeah it was awful and it was just like yeah it was awful. So did you have that level of anxiety when you were younger? When I was really young I'd have these really bad screaming fits like when I was like eight or nine I would just suddenly have these moments where I was like, I don't know, this moment of just feeling hopeless or something, I just started yelling.

And my parents never knew what it was. I actually would cut myself a couple of times, like on the leg, just to like distract it. And I had those, and I didn't know what it was. And then in college, I also started doing cocaine, which didn't help. And then I had some like really bad kind of anxiety in college and that's when I went on

Paxil originally you know yeah but no I've always had like really bad anxiety damn do you have anxiety no that is so funny after this long thing I mean you have anxiety or like, no? I can get it sometimes. I can talk myself into it. I can talk myself out of it. Yeah. I get anxiety about existential threats.

Like I get anxiety about war, sometimes like late at night. I get anxiety about, like the more I read about history, the more I understand, you know, how many times in history Society was everything was great and everything was fine And then all sudden some terrible event took place and then we went back to like the Stone Age like this is an eminent threat to life that we We look at the goings-on in the world as if it's like some plot and a television show that we're watching You're watching.

You're watching what's happening in Ukraine, you're watching what's happening in Gaza, and you're watching what's happening in Iran, and you're watching all this crazy shit, and it doesn't seem real because it hasn't affected you. But late at night when everyone's asleep, that's when it gets me. Right, all the horrors of everything? Yeah, I started thinking that this this ridiculous life that we live and all the Stupid societal conflicts that we have that are mostly meaningless and nonsense and that they're accentuated constantly in the news all the while Real people are dying right and like drone

Suicide bombs you can watch them on on YouTube YouTube. While we're just having like culture war arguments. Yeah, I mean, I've seen so many people die on Instagram reels. So many people get blown up by missiles and blown up by drones, suicide drones, slamming into people and detonating them. I watched this guy, some guy, I forget what part of the world it was,

but he wore a suicide vest. They tried to stop him and these guys run detonating them. I watched this guy, some guy, I forget what part of the world it was, but he wore a suicide vest. They tried to stop him and these guys run and they grab them and they all explode. They're trying to stop them from pulling the van. And this bomb goes off and you see just parts of people flying and you're like, fuck man. This is all happening in the world right now. It's just not happening right here. You're watching it. You're like, for some reason I'm really anxious right now. Yeah, I get freaked out and I start thinking about just how fragile our civilization really is.

Yeah, oh yeah, it's completely fragile. And we're so soft, we're so accustomed to living this way. When the power went off earlier, when we're doing this podcast, what do we do? We wait for it to come back on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody's going to fix it. What if it doesn't come back on? Yeah, yeah. Somebody's going to fix it. What if it doesn't come back on? Yeah.

I used to have a bit about that. When the dumb people outfuck the smart people and the power just goes off and no one has any idea how to turn it back on again. What do you do? Somebody does it. They do it. But what if that guy's dead? Do we know?

And when do we know? How long afterward do we figure out the power's not coming back? Right. It's crazy. The world's just functioning off of just this, no one's really running the ship. It's just a collective thing of functioning. And we're connected by the most fragile thing we have,

which is the power grid and our computer infrastructure. All of it can be wiped out in one solar flare. And we take it so much for granted. Yeah, it's the only reason why we're alive. It's 100 degrees outside and I have a hoodie on. I'm super comfortable in here. We have air conditioning why we're alive. It's a hundred degrees outside and I have a hoodie on right? I'm super comfortable in here. We have air conditioning. We're fine. We're dying of heat exhaustion. We're not there dehydrating to death Yeah, I know where the water is. We've ignored the fact that nature can be a threat and we're just so vulnerable and we're so reliant to keep this civilization going the way it is like

Think about what we've been talking about today. If you go back and watch films from the 1930s and 19... How horrific people treat each other. And over time, because of our access to all these different human beings and how they feel about things and how they discuss things, all that has kind of elevated our discourse and elevated the way we communicate with each other and we interact with each other and we demand more. And there's going to be overcompensation and it's going to things are going to go back and forth but generally it's moving in the right direction but that's only because all

of our needs are met and because there's electricity. Right, it can go back in any time. Yeah, electricity is the thing that changed everything. When you can stay cool and stay warm you can live in places you shouldn't be living. Yeah, it would be a hellhole to live in without AC. Cities would be a hellhole. All cities would be a hellhole. Yeah.

There's no food. No one's growing food. How do you eat? Well, as soon as trucks stop coming in, everyone's fucked. Yeah. There's no food. You have enough food for like a few hours of everybody eating and then that's it. Yeah. The Gaza stuff is awful. It's horrifying. It's created such a, you know, I'm Jewish, obviously, if you can't tell. I think you brought that up.

It's been such a complicated, horrible thing, and it's just horrible all around. It is complicated and horrible, and it's also complicated when you see so much anti-Semitism, like open anti-Semitism about all Jews, as if there's like this cabal of evil people that are pulling the strings. I know. I've posted, you know, I think, I hate Netanyahu, I hate the Israeli government. I think both Gaza and Israel have been taken over by extremists, you know? But I've posted concern for anti-Semitism and I've been like attacked by people.

Like how can you be worried about that when people are dying in Gaza? And I'm like, there's two different things. Yeah, they're both real. Yeah, they're both real and I have a right to be concerned. Jews have a right to be a little nervy. Yeah, some shit went down, I don't know if you remember. Yeah, we have a right to get cautious, you know? But it's also, that's one of the things that,

I forget who was talking to us about this. It might've been Jordan Peterson, but it was somebody. When they were saying that it's one of the hallmarks of a civilization's decline, they start blaming things on the Jews. That is. It's really common. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because Jews stick together and it's a very difficult club to get into.

Well I think what people have done too is there are a lot of, there is an extremist faction in Israel who are awful. Which by the way was being protested for months on end before October 7th. Exactly. And what people aren't doing, they're not giving Israel the benefit of a conflicted soul. And a lot of the anti-Zionist propaganda is making you think all of Israel is like that. Exactly.

But it's no different than another country like America. It's a conflicted place. There are extremists and some of them are awful and Netanyahu has put a lot of them in his government, made a coalition with them. But there's also people who want peace, people who want, you know, Palestinian self-determination. Like all human beings everywhere in the world. There's good people. It's like if you hated Trump, but then you assume when he was president, everyone in America supported Trump, right?

If you thought that. It's like, it's very dehumanizing to think like all of Israel is like, just- In support of the genocide in Gaza. Right, and that's the Zionist term. And then you see polls, 65% of people say it's okay to rape Palestinian prisoners. Who did you talk to? Who did you talk to? 65% of who?

Who the fuck is answering that poll? Hey, let me ask you a couple questions about rape who who the fuck is answering that poll? Hey, let me ask you a couple questions about rape Answering that we talking rape and prisoners. I'm all in by the way. I'm on my way to work. I gotta go Well, yeah, it's like there's also like there's obviously a lot of Horrible shit Israel is done. But a lot of people go beyond that and make it It's not just like it's fine to be like they don't put civilians in Like they don't think about civilians. I understand that as a critique, but a lot of people want to make it look like they're going out of their way to just only kill civilians.

They have a goal. It might be bad and reckless. Yeah, but there's been things like the killing of the aid workers, you know, like the Jose Andres people, which is like, seems like they were targeted. I don't know. It's hard to believe the purpose for that, the targeted. To keep people from getting food to the Gaza refugees. Yeah, I don't know. I don't like...

I don't have a position. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I'm just saying that that's the accusation is that they knew who those people were. I think Israel... I think... It's hard for me to believe that that's where they're... I do think they want to get rid of Hamas. I think a lot of people have died. It's awful and I don't think it's worth it all this at all But I don't think they're like you don't think that some people have a dehumanization Way of looking at Palestinians. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah

Well, I think that's what you're looking at when you're seeing soldiers rape Palestinian prisoners. You've seen that video? Yeah, no, that camp is awful. It's awful, truly a nightmare. Look, whenever a human being is capable of doing something like that to another human being that they don't even know, they consider that person the other. You've got a giant problem and that's the giant problem of being able to just bomb Gaza into oblivion and kill who knows how many thousands of people. It's almost like the United States' reaction after 9-11. 9-11, we were, the whole world was on our side. Everybody wanted America to prosper.

We can't believe America was attacked. America, this shining beacon of democracy and self-government, like, no, not America. Then what do we do? We invade Iraq. Right. And we kill a million people, wind up dying because of our invasion, they think. And then you think about the weapons of mass destruction host. It was all bullshit.

Right. It was paraded in the media. So it's like that. It's like our overreaction was so horrific, then everybody hated America. I agree with that. I do think what Hamas did was so horrific then everybody hated America. I agree with that I do think what Hamas did was so horrific and they said they're gonna keep doing it It did plant these seeds of hate in Israelis that no doubt even I'm in the position We're like obviously this war is terrible

I don't think should have happened But I also think it's a lot to ask people to have something so horrific happen and not them kind of retaliate So I'm against it if that makes sense. I know what you're saying, that people would retaliate. It's the way they're retaliating and the scale of it, which is horrific to people. But I also, yeah, I mean, I think there's dehumanization on both sides. For sure. Well, the only way you can do October 7th is dehumanization. Of course. And I do think people on both sides have tried to demean the other

Trivialize the other person's accountability. I know it's crazy that the and also people pretending as if they know What actually happened and what the stats are yeah, they didn't do that. They didn't do this Are you on the ground that's the human to me saying like there's no rape then is like dehumanization All of it is crazy like you don't fucking know what's actually going on. And there's a lot of misinformation that's even printed in mainstream media, like the bombing of the hospital. There's a lot of shit that happened. That was front page of the New York Times. There's a lot of shit that happens in the fog of war that people want to know

the answer right away. And you, I know it's upset hard, but you have to wait sometimes like the fog of war, you're not going to always have the answer right away. I mean, I'm not saying Israel isn't culpable of a lot of things, but you do have to wait sometimes. Like the Fog of War, you're not going to always have the answer right away. I mean, I'm not saying Israel isn't culpable of a lot of things, but you do have to wait. I see people sharing information that's not verified all the time that just came out where you're like, you don't... Well, that's the hospital bombing. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what that is. I mean, that made it all the way into newspapers. Exactly. I mean, I think like, Nitenyahu created

a coalition with some really awful people like Smotrik and Ben-Gavir. There are like really Jewish supremacists, real thugs. And I think a lot of anti-Zionists have tried to convince everyone that all of Israel is like that. And I just think, yeah, there needs to be less dehumanization and just seeing like, yeah, the suffering in Gaza is horrible, it needs to stop. And also, like, not every Israeli is part of some evil Zionist, whatever conspiracy. That's its own inverted form of anti-Semitism. Well, Netanyahu is this super pro-military guy. I mean, he was a special forces guy.

Yeah. And he's corrupt and he has charges against him that he's trying to, like, weaken the government to prevent from coming through and he made a coalition with two people who are truly awful awful people and that and That is really almost these people want a theocracy in Israel, you know They want but that's not all of Israel and people have protested against that That's my fear when I'm up in the middle of the night

Yeah, that this kind of shit is going on that any minute it could pop off and become a nuclear war. I mean that's a legitimate fear. It's a legitimate fear. I don't even know if that's anxiety. Whatever it is, if you ask me if I get anxiety, that's my anxiety. No I can totally see that. When I get really freaked out, that's what freaks me out.

What freaks me out is that it could pop off at any minute and then we and then it all of a Sudden it's September 12th, you know, yeah, but way better way bigger way crazy way scarier way scarier and That hasn't happened since 1945. So we assume it's not going to happen again Yeah, we had 20 good years and now we think everything We had like some good time in the 80s and now it can never go back Oh, dude when the wall fell down, it was amazing. There was like a weight lifted off of America. Like everyone's like, oh, Soviet Union's gone. We don't have to worry about a nuclear war with Russia anymore. And now it's China and Iran and fucking this and that. And oh my God. It is like most periods of history, people had kind of a shitty life in a volatile period of history

We really like up till like I guess After Vietnam and maybe it to the you know now to the last till everything's kind of falling apart now Like it was kind of smooth sailing I guess for a little bit but like as long as you're in America Yeah, it's not smooth sailing. Yeah people like the 90s were great. Yeah, Wanda Yeah, it's a lot of places where it sucked bad. Well, that's the other thing that great. The Rwanda, it was not smooth sailing. There's a lot of places where it sucked bad. Well, that's the other thing. Yeah, it's never, it's been shitty for, it's always shitty for someone.

That's the thing is we're not used to it happening right here. We're very spoiled. Oh, we're so spoiled. Like the Russians are so much more used to it than us. They lost so many people during World War II. Oh yeah, like 20 million? Well, I was reading this thing about France. This is so crazy that during World War one France lost 25% of its fighting-age men and then during World War two They lost another 25% It's insane like your life fuck man Well, that's the thing life was so cheap and now we feel like life is kind of expensive

We're now we're like life has value, you know, but it's still so cheap for so many people. Well, it is in other parts of the world. That's the thing. It's like we're so used to not being attacked that when something like 9-11 does happen, like Pearl Harbor happened, it was five hours over the ocean. It's the only other time we were attacked. Yeah. You know, we're so soft. We are soft.

We're soft as baby poo. But we're seeing a lot of violence. I mean, we see every, you see, the guy shot Trump, you see his head exploded on the roof. You see everything think that was all about a Guy trying to shoot just a guy trying. Do you don't think he has some help? No, no I don't think the Harvey Oswald acted alone. Yeah, I'm not good with I'm not a big So the Bill Hicks joke you don't buy into it. I love the joke you love the joke, but I'm not a big I'm not a big have you ever read into that one. I read a little yeah, you need to read more That's one you really shouldn't be flipping about they killed that fucking guy

Here's the thing with Trump though. Like why why would he need so we got you thought like Biden's trying to take him out Um, I don't think it was Biden I think it could be a number of people that were involved, but it seems at the very least like they were so lax in security that they were inviting something to happen. At the very least, and knowing that that guy was walking around more than 30 minutes before with a rangefinder, seeing that guy, he'd come back and forth, he observed him multiple times, people were talking about him, they were keeping an eye on him, and this guy gets on the roof with a rifle and gets off three shots.

Well, my thing with a lot of conspiracy theories is it just kind of ignores incompetence. I feel like incompetence is a real thing. Incompetence is a real thing. You know what's a real thing? Conspiracies. Those are real, too. The problem with dismissing conspiracies as being just silly conspiracy theories, that was the whole goal of the Warren Commission report. And that was when the term conspiracy theory got into the zeitgeist as a pejorative. I don't dismiss, and I didn't mean to offend. No, you didn't offend.

No, no, no, no. I don't dismiss, there's a huge amount of corruption and horrible things. I just think a lot of times incompetence does play a big part and I do think like there is incompetence and there's like randomness a lot. Some dude had a really good joke about it that he put up on Instagram. It was very funny. Let me see if I can find it. Maybe you can find it, Jamie.

He said that it was basically like if I thought they were going to try to assassination attempt, that seems exactly like how the government would do it. Like really inefficient. He said it was like the DMV of assassination attempts. I find this dude. Who sent that to me? But it's also, I mean, I guess for me it's like you also have to like. You find it?

I know. I saw it recently too. I know what you're talking about. Fuck, somebody send it to me. I get too many texts. Anything can be real, but I also think the idea that he was a lone shooter is not... that world is not a crazy world. The idea that we're in a violent place. No, I'm not saying...

Everyone has guns. No, not saying that he wasn't a lone shooter. I think he was a lone shooter. Maybe there was other people shooting at him. I think he was trained. And I think somebody got a lone shooter. Maybe there was other people shooting at him. I think he was trained. And I think somebody got him detonators. He had sophisticated detonators and explosive devices. That's why you're like, lone shooter, betrayed by the military.

I think someone talked that guy into doing that. I don't think someone talked that guy into doing it. I think it's possible that someone talked that guy into doing that. Yeah, I mean, anything's possible. I'm not dismissing that. I just think he's like a school shooter who got political. They took his body away and cremated it 10 days after the assassination. No toxicology report, no public... There's been no press conference about it, no telling

all the details. Here's what we know. They went to the kid's house. It was professionally scrubbed. Didn't have silverware in it. Right. I don't know. There's a phone that was going back and forth because you know, they have ad data They can track cell phone when they ping There's a phone going back and forth between the offices of the FBI and Washington DC in this kid's house on multiple occasions

Well, yeah, I don't I don't know about that, but I don't know that's where things get weird, right? You'd hate me with my views. I don't know. No, no, no. I don't even think Epstein. I would not hate you with your views. I'm like the opposite of a conspiracy theorist. That's interesting. So you think Epstein killed himself? I'm not saying he definitely killed himself, but I also think it is believable

that he is a little depressed at that point. Certainly. You know what I mean? That's what I think. I think like the possibility, I think the possibility of it not being a conspiracy is an all it is sometimes very like Plausible sure to the point where I don't need if you need a go to a conspiracy like some maybe got killed But Epstein was also not in a great place at that point true

You know I mean so I could see that both ways, but then you have to look at the autopsy Yeah, you have to look at the ligature marks around the base of his neck Which is not really what happens when you hang yourself. When you hang yourself, your weight of your body is what kills you. So the ligature marks, the strangulation marks are underneath the chin. His was down by his neck and his neck was actually fractured, which is also indicative of someone getting strangled to death.

Dr. Michael Baden, who's that forensic scientist that did that show Autopsy, remember that show? Yeah. He examined the the autopsy examined what what the results were and he found that the fractures in the neck were indicative of someone being strangled to death. But wasn't there another coroner who said it was like suicide? Sure. First coroner. Yeah. First was like. Why can't we believe that guy? Well, it seems very convenient that the cameras went out. Yeah. It seems very convenient that the people

that were on security were asleep. Seems very convenient. All of it seems convenient. Yeah, no, I'm not saying he didn't get killed. Seems convenient the most high profile defense witness in a very important case that might have been about elites and child pedophilia would probably want to take that guy out. But also a narcissist who's going to be about to be the most, who's that most hated person

in the world could also, I could see him killing himself. Sure. I'm just saying. Could. I'm not saying he didn't kill. He could have killed himself. I mean, he could have been killed. So how long you been working for the government? I don't hate you. I don't hate you. I'm not a he didn't kill, he could have killed himself. I mean, he could have been killed. So how long you been working for the government? You hate me now.

I don't hate you. I'm not a big, yeah, I think Oswald acted alone. I don't know, I'm a believer in incompetence in that everyone is, most people are bad at their job. Did you ever watch the Zapruder film? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The film of Kennedy's head going back into the left? Of course.

How do you think that happens when you get shot from behind? Back, what do you mean? His head goes back back into the left like you got shot from the front. I Don't know. I don't I don't you know see that was a Hicks bit I see that yeah back into the left But I I also think they've tried so long to find the conspiracy for that and they and they always kind of gunster dead end I don't know. I think what also all did was I like do we think you know you don don't want to think about it this way. I like it. I like what you're saying well to me I think a lot of conspiracy theorists think like the other person like I'm naive right mm-hmm But I think it's the opposite I think like

It's sometimes can be naive to think somewhat. There's someone mastermind everything right like to me I think like and I don't know all the evidence I'm sure there's all these reports and stuff But like to me I think like sometimes crazy shit happens and when you look at it backwards, it doesn't Yeah, it's crazy that he shot someone from that far to work. You know, I mean, that's true But it's also crazy shit happens and we also have never seen a lot of times stuff happens where we've never seen that like 9-eleven Mm-hmm. We know I had two planes hit building, but you immediately had people being like, buildings don't fall like that.

It's like, this is the first time it's happened. That's true. So it's like, we don't always know. Like it's a lot of times something happening that's crazy, but also like never happened before that people are like, that's not how it happens. But it's like, how do you know? That's true. Like planes flying into the buildings, especially the buildings that are that tall.

That's all true. And I do think, you know, I've read, you know, it was 9-11, there was so much incompetence as a government, the lack of communication between the FBI and the CIA, you know? And I'm a firm, I'm not saying some conspiracies aren't true, definitely. And there's a lot of corruption. But I'm just a firm believer in incompetence. Incompetence is real, but conspiracies are too. Some conspiracies are real, yeah.

The Lee Harvey Oswald one, when you look into it, it's pretty nutty. It's pretty nutty. But a lot of people heard shots from the grassy knoll, the amount of people that were eyewitnesses that died in mysterious ways is extraordinary. Off the charts, odds that don't make any sense. But I also do think sometimes the brain finds patterns that aren't always... Sure, and also people kill people. That happens too.

Yeah, both. The thing about the Oswald thing is there's also a lot of evidence that points to the fact that they were trying to come to the conclusion that there was a lone gunman despite the evidence. And one of those is the magic bullet theory. The magic bullet theory is fucking cuckoo for Cocoa Buffs. That shit would never fly today. What is it the bullet went through and then came back around?

It went through Kennedy and then into Connolly and then they found it in pristine condition on the gurney and then they attributed that bullet to all these wounds because they had to because there was only three shots supposedly. And in those three shots that Osball was able to get off, they knew one of them hit the back and they knew one of them was hit Connolly and one of them blew up his head. Well they had all different bullets for these things, for these different injuries, but then a guy got hit with a ricochet in the underpass. So they had to account for one of those bullets missing the target and hitting the, whatever it is, granite, curb stone, and banging into this guy's face, the guy had to go to the hospital.

They found the curb stone that had been hit with a bullet, and so they knew that a ricochet had hit there. So now they had two bullets that had to have all these wounds and so instead of saying hey maybe there's more than one person shooting maybe there's more than this one guy that was in the book depository all these people said there were shots coming from the grassy knoll maybe they were telling the truth right instead of that they said no no no no no one bullet went crazy and went oh look we found it here's the bullet all good and look at the bullet All right, I'll give you Oswald. You give me that bullet that bullet that bullet Supposedly went through two people and they found it in that condition and a gurney if you've ever shot anything with a bullet

You know, that's straight horse shit. That's not deformed at all. That's shattered bones. That's nonsense. But what is the answer? I feel like there's so many answers about what happened, right? Well, if you read the Warren Commission report, and fucking nobody has, that's also there's different, like see the hole in his neck? It's supposed to have gone through his back, through his neck, but in the first autopsy report, that hole in the neck was thought of as an entrance wound. And then when it got to Bethesda, Maryland, then they said it was tracheotomy hole there's like a lot of inconsistencies in the Warren Commission report and if you

If you want to go crazy read a book called best evidence by David Lifton who was an accountant Okay No I'm sure you read the entire Warren Commission went over it and found all these inconsistencies and said they were just trying to come to this one conclusion and he didn't buy it but I'll check it out. But also like There can be inconsistencies are also part of incompetence or not communicating as well, can't it?

Inconsistencies, yeah, but these seem like- I mean like people having different reports that don't- or even him trying to force something like I mean like I just think sometimes like the thing has to be- like nothing's perfect and there is like a lot of like- I also don't think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I think Lee Harvey Oswald was a part of it. Yeah, I don't think he acted Oh, I don't think he acted alone. I think he was the guy that they were pinning it on Well, he was definitely active with the CIA. He'd gone over to Russia. He'd married a Russian woman came back to America

I was doing a lot of weird communist shit He was involved in a lot of weird stuff that seemed to indicate that he was some sort of intelligence agent Yeah, or at least a pats, a guy they could pin this on, which is probably what they wanted. Yeah, I'm not denying it that it could happen. I guess that it's a possibility. I guess for me it's just like, usually when there is something a conspiracy,

it does get found out. Yeah, but this is- And there's concrete evidence. There was no internet back then, and they didn't even see the Zapruder film until 12 years later. The Zapruder film, nobody even saw it until it was on the Geraldo Rivera show in 1975 when Dick Gregory brought it on. So you know what I read in the Seymour, what's his name, he did a book about Camelot?

That apparently Kennedy was fucking someone at the pool and pulled his groin. Have you read this two days beforehand? And he had like a back brace on. And when he got shot, because he got shot twice, right? He got shot, well, got shot twice, right? He got shot, well, yeah, at least twice. They think three times. They think that's one through the back,

one through the neck, and one in the head. But I heard they said like, because of the back brace, when he got shot the first time, it didn't push him over. So it's kind of like a sitting duck. Have you heard that? No, but that makes, it kind of makes sense. So like the back brace almost kept him up with the shot. Well, yeah, he was all fucked up

He had a lot of like real physical problems He was in constant pain and he was also a guy that was getting treatment from dr. Feelgood Yeah, that's where dr. Feelgood came from my psychiatrist Yeah, real similar like this one doctor and I think a lot of that was meth as well It was a habit of wearing a tightly laced back brace that may have kept him from recoiling to the floor of his car after the assassin's first bullet to the neck, setting him up for the kill shot. The brace was firm. So this is also, this is not the back shot. Either there was a shot in the neck that again, the initial autopsy said was an entrance wound.

Yeah, that makes sense. Tightly laced. Yeah. Makes sense that it kept him stiff. He was all fucked up though. He had like, yeah, see portrait of pain. See he had like some real serious problems. Numerous back surgeries. So they hid, it's hard to hide news photos of him walking on crutches before and after one of his numerous back surgeries. It wasn't until 2002 when historian Robert Dalek was allowed access to a collection of documents spanning

1955 to 1963. In 1963, the specifics began to emerge. Peyton is co-author, neurosurgeon, Dr. Justin Doughty, poured over Dalek's subsequent book, numerous other biographies, and scores of documents and x-rays at the JFK Library in Boston to prepare their paper. So, I was taken aback by the depth of Kennedy's pain. He said how long he dealt with the pain despite his short life, how it affected his life. I was able to conceal most of that from the public and certainly from his political adversaries. So, I wonder what back surgeries were they doing in 1963. Good Lord. It's got to be brutal. Oh, he had scarlet fever at age two, spent his teenage years in and out of hospitals

with abdominal and joint pain, flu-like symptoms and extreme weight loss. Age 15, weighed a mere 117 pounds. By the next year, worried he might have leukemia, doctors began regularly checking his blood cut. So he was all fucked up, man. So he was a sick dude. But so like sometimes I think there's like... Colitis. Different explanations that like aren't that sexy like...

Here's not sexy, look at this. Yesterday I went through the most harassing experience of my life, an iron tube 12 inches long and one inch diameter up my ass. My poor bedraggled rectum. Oh my god, is looking at me very reproachfully these days oh my god he was great with words well he was fucked comic Jesus Christ so you got a football game and got tackled from the side possibly damaging a spinal disc again regularly using a corset brace to stabilize the spine and control his

discomfort so yeah he was all fucked up. But it's like, there's things like when things don't make sense, there are sometimes an explanation that's like, kind of like, almost boring or random. It's like the thing with Zapruder, I think it's Zapruder, the person puts the umbrella up. Is that in Zapruder?

There's a guy who has an umbrella up, and it's not raining. And for years, they thought he might have been involved like signaling. And they finally find the guy, they bring him in front of everyone and he's like I'm British and in England it's a real fuck you when you like raise your umbrella when a car like a car is driving by and he hated Kennedy so he's just doing a fuck you but then for years people are like oh that was part of the signal I just think I mean I'm not

saying some conspiracies are untrue I just think there's sometimes other reasons that get that get lost. Yeah, for sure. Certainly people look for things that aren't there. I've read conspiracies about me. I'm like, this is hilarious. Well, you know they're not true. But it's weird when you read them about you.

And you're like, oh, this is how this works. People just make shit up, and they just run with it. What's the one about you? Oh, just nonsense, being handled by the CIA, being a part of the Illuminati All kinds of stupid shit throwing people off your trail by being into conspiracy theories So people don't realize you're part of well, they just want to think you're controlled Yeah, they want us to think that at certain point someone comes to you and you get controlled

But that's not real. No, the reality is no one's in control. That's that's the right to me That's the reality is MK ultra was real and. That's that's the right to me. That's the reality MK ultra was real and they really were trying to teach people how to kill people and they they did it with Charlie Manson No, yeah, I mean, there's definitely real horrible fucked up shit I'm not saying I'm not saying there's not fucked up horrible shit But I do think no one's really steering the ship and that's like the really scary thing, right? I think that with the our idea is that this there's this one Group of people that all agree with each other. That's I don't think that's real. I think there's competing

factions even at the top levels. I think they're always battling with each other. Yes. You look the people in the Navy sometimes don't like the people in the army. You know what I mean? Exactly. This is the CIA and the FBI. The CIA not communicating with the FBI in 9-11. That's 100% real. And that's why when people look at all of Israelis, not to bring it back to them, as like a Zionist conspiracy, you're now doing that. You're believing in this collective thing when really there's so many different types of Israelis.

There's extremists, there's racists, and there's peaceniks. There's people who believe in peace. Exactly. And it's like I think you always have to be wary of thinking everything's monolithic. Absolutely. And I feel like that about the intelligence agencies as well I feel like yeah, you want the CIA you want someone who's paying a terrorist plot Of course you want you want them you want the FBI to be able to investigate when someone's done something horrible Yeah, you want you want those things

You just don't want them out of control and the problem is absolute power corrupts Absolutely, and when some people get into certain positions of power They use whatever means necessary to maintain it I mean the Nazis had the ultimate conspiracy when they invaded Poland they like Killed a bunch of their own like prisoner wars and had them dressed as Polish like soldiers and like concocted a whole fake Attack by Poland of course I mean the ultimate Hitler burned the Reichstag No, well some people actually do think it was the Marxist, but we don't actually know for sure Yeah, I thought it was just generally assumed that it was Hitler. I think there's still some mystery

I think some people there was one guy who they say might have lit the fire. I Forget what his name. I read this in a book, but like Hitler definitely jumped on it, right immediately. What was a time time old tactic? I mean, yeah Nero burned Rome I don't he might have but I think there's still some mystery about what because some people think it might have been someone else But then he just kind of jumped you mean hitler and Nero Hitler Nero, you know an else Nero did when his wife died He found some slave boy that looked like his wife and had her castrated And paraded her around as his wife. Did he fuck? I don't know what he did Probably did I mean imagine he decided you're gonna be my wife now

Yeah, I'm gonna chop your dick off and bring you out in public. Well, yeah back then he's a fit and then the kid I believe the kid killed himself. Oh, really a couple years later. Yeah, see you can find that story It is a crazy store. He found some slave boy that looked like his wife and so you know back then you're looking at him at the fucking on the balcony you're one of the peasants and this you know what he knew yeah he's just like was his wife anymore like he didn't want anybody knows wife died so he decided to make this fucking this slave boy look like his wife woman who looked like his wife I don't know he's out of his fucking know if he had a sister.

Look, this is Nero, dude. Caligula. This dude was out of his fucking mind. I actually don't know much about Nero. Sporus was a young slave boy whom the Roman Emperor Nero had castrated and married as his empress under his tour of Greece in 66 to 67 CE, allegedly in order for him to play the role of his wife Poppaea Sabina who had died the previous year ancient historians generally portrayed this relationship between Nero and Sporus as an abomination

How do you say that name? Suetonius? Suetonius places his account in the Nero-Sporus relationship in his scandalous accounts of Nero Sporus relationship in his scandalous accounts of Nero's sexual aberrations between his raping a Vestal Virgin and committing incest with his mother. Something Nero used his marriage to Sporus to assuage the guilt he felt for allegedly kicking his pregnant wife Pompeia to death. Oh my God. At least hopefully it was really, really funny. Jesus Christ. Dio Casios in a more detailed account writes writes that Sporus, born on Cannae resemblance to

Bopea and that Nero called Sporus by her name. Oh my God. That's insane. Oh my God. Wow. I should make a movie about that kid. Oh, look at this. Scholars have deduced that Sporus was likely an epithet given to him when his abuse started, considering

it to be derived from the Greek word sporus meaning seed or semen, which may refer to his inability to have children following his castration. What the fuck, dude? Oh my God. How crazy is, how crazy was that guy? They should make a movie about that kid. That'd be a good movie. Right. From the kid's perspective. You do like that kid. That'd be a good movie right kids perspective

Five first you find you like dark things That's the darkest first he has to accept that he may have some girly features Bro make it a rom-com, but it's just like what was society like back then because They all had sex with kids. They fucked a lot of kids. Fucked a lot of kids. It was normal for like an intellectual to have a young boy that he would fuck. I think it was gay to fuck your wife. I think people would be like, I'm going home to my wife.

They're like, what are you gay? Go fuck a little boy like us. It was like, it was like a gay thing to fuck your wife. Yeah, it was in fucking kids was like fashion. Well, and also how about the Spartans? the greatest warriors ever? They all fucked each other. Yeah, they were it's Greeks We're like very tough and very not homophobic They didn't care who they fucked they were just fucking that was that was a part of masculinity like fucking a guy was Masculine like you're like, I'm tough. I fight that fuck guy

Imagine that kept going and guys are just fucking guys today Well in the Nazis were the guy who's gay Eric I mean what was name rock general Romer or whatever his name was the one part of the original SA that they killed in the night of the long knives Oh really he was gay and he was the toughest as they came and he was a bunch of gay people in his His division. Yeah Well, that's the the ideal of the Spartans was that you would fight for your lover much harder than you'd fight for a friend Hmm. So like this yeah this man beside you not only is he your you know come

He's he's with you in this war. He's a fellow soldier, but he's also your lover So are you saying, I was thinking they wanted to fuck each other. Is it more like the general is like, I need you all to fuck each other? I think they wanted to fuck each other too. They wanted to fuck each other too. I think they just got used to fucking guys.

I think it's probably one of those, like guys are so gross. Let's, that's the thing about prison, right? There's no women around, we just fuck each other. Yeah, we just need to fuck. I'm getting further into this spore thing. It gets a little weirder. Yeah? Yeah, I mean, the spores thing. It gets a little weirder. Yes. Yeah, I mean

He he was already married to someone else after his wife died. Oh Satalina miscellana and then later married spores that year who said to bear remarkable resemblance to Pompeii, but then He took spores to Greece and then back to Rome making Calvia Caspin Elyia Sporus to Greece and then back to Rome, making Calvia Caspinelia serve as his mistress of wardrobe to Sporus. Nero had earlier married another freedman, Pythagoras, who had played the role of Nero's husband. Now, Sporus played the role of Nero's wife.

What? Yeah, I mean. He was just wild. Nero died before Sporus died too., I mean. It was just wild. Nero died before Sporus died too. Oh my God, he was just wild. And then Sporus went to somebody else. As a wife still? And Papea was married to this person before Nero got her.

And Nero made them get divorced, took Papea, Wow. Apparently killed her, and then Sporus went back to this guy. Whoa. Nymphedus Sabinus. Oh my god, nympho. Who had persuaded the Praetorian guard to desert Nero.

Nymphidus treated Sporus as a wife and called him Pompeya. So called him Nero's ex-wife, who Nero kicked to death, who he used to be married to. What the fuck. Imagine that poor kid. He just blessed with good genetics got a pretty face Cut your dick off and just fuck you and they pass you around talk like my wife I'm gonna change your name again kid Someone else who beat that guy was gonna use spores as a victim in public entertainment as a

reenacted after all that shit of a rape of the Someone in the underworld is what that is the rape of prosperity press Proserpina the rape of proserpina at a gladiator show. Oh my god So he avoided this public humiliation by committing suicide So they were gonna violently rape him and kill him in a gladiator show So he finally gets free of the shit and then they're like we want you to reenact it now We're gonna make you die in a gladiator show. I guess that's not the first time they did that He probably knew what was coming. So he's probably like fuck that right?

He probably saw so many people get fucked up in gladiator shows. Why do they feel the need to publicly humiliate him? Haven't he been through that? Kick a man while he's down, I guess. It's just like, he's getting a little cocky. Let's uh... Oh, life back then. I mean, this is the thing. It's like, they thought they were pretty progressive when they were just spanking women.

Yeah. In those stupid movies. Well, you don't know. Yeah, you don't know. Give me a little hammer and a spanker in the ass. Oh, here you go. It was normal. Yeah. At least he didn't cut her dick off. Well, you know, we are we we do move at our own pace and it's like people act like people suck now like we're

awful but like we are we are getting better. We are way better than those days. We are way better than the New Road. If you just read that account. Yeah. we're proving that magic Biden's wife died So he found some fucking page that looked like his wife Had him cut his dick off and brought him to Greece as his wife. He'd be like this guy's a maniac It's these guys out of his fucking mind when he sniffs hair. Yeah Too close to that hair look how he's smelling those kids imagine oh I was insane it was I mean it was good to be a king back then you know you really could

do whatever you wanted didn't last long eventually came for you he got what happened to him he got executed or what happened in Nero how did he die because of how crazy it's sounding I'm starting to to go like, maybe whoever killed him is just like, you know, we're going to smear him and we're going to make up all this shit about him. That's not maybe accurate, but who's going to fucking- Right. But the Nero store, that's like an historical record.

The store took Sporos and did that to him. I found a New Yorker article from 2021 that says like, how nasty was he really? Isn't that a notorious- How nasty was Nero? Nero apologizes. They're gonna be writing out about Hitler someday It was just the oxycodone. It wasn't Hitler. Yeah. Sorry. It was on really good pot really potent pot It made him fuck his wife 29% THC. The weed was strong and he only had taken weed a couple times. Yeah, you can't fault him for killing all the Jews He really did think they were evil while he was tripping balls.

Sorry. That's the greatest thing to be like, kill six million Jews. Well, I was on painkillers. I was on oxies. Guys. I was on a lot of painkillers. I had a bad doctor. What, Jamie, what were you saying?

After he had sex with his mom, he killed her too. They didn't mention that in the first thing we read. Oh, whoops. Yeah, bad guy. I'd say bad guy Yeah, I say pretty safe to say that's not a conspiracy I think that guy was probably really bad guy. No, that was a bad guy. Yeah No, he was a duck when you were the king back then you could do whatever the fuck you wanted which is part of the problem Yeah, that's so much power over people. I think anyone put the king back then you could do whatever the fuck you wanted which is part of the problem Yeah, that's the other thing. I think anyone put in that position would just do whatever the fuck they wanted You know the Elizabeth Bathory story?

No. Elizabeth this so this is a very controversial story. I just know about Hitler. I don't know about it. This lady, so this is the folklore. There's two different versions of this So the story that gets handed down was this woman was so evil that She was a serial killer and she was beautiful when she was young and as she got older she would slaughter young maids and put them in a bathtub and bathe in their blood to try to rejuvenate. Oh, I remember this, yes. I mean, reading this.

But then the revisionist approach to it was that they accused her of all these things so that they could take her land and they imprisoned her because she was a royal, so they imprisoned her under house arrest. They locked her up in a castle. You know, they locked her up in a room in the castle for the rest of her life until she died. And they think that this could possibly could be false accusations against her that were so horrific that no one would question them so that they could take her land.

Oh, so she didn't do it? Or, we don't know? I don't know. We don't know. I mean, the stories, I mean, if they did smear her with this fake thing, you know, it's a crazy accusation, too. You want it to be true, though, don't you? Of course. You want to think there's some lady that is so vain and evil that she slaughters all the

beautiful young ladies. Yeah. And that these women started going missing. And they said, see if you can find that story. It's kind of crazy I used to be super into serial killers like before it was cool. Oh Why did you start? What you got you first? Well, first of all, I was really into Kemper the guy in the mind hunter series. Oh

I wasn't dead before now. He's like everyone knows him. I'm a little disappointed. I was a dim. He's mainstream now He's sold out back when I was into it I was creeping people. It was cool. It was old-school days my favorite story is Ed Gein Mmm, there's story that someone came to like to his house once to like get borrow sugar or some shit And he came inside and there's a skull that Ed Gein of someone who had killed like on a shelf and the guy's like What the fuck is that and Ed Gein, you know, it's like 50ss, right? Ed Gein just kind of like freaks out and just lies. He just goes, oh, that's a Japanese guy I killed in the war, brought him back.

And the other guy's like, thank God. For a second I thought it was something creepy. Jesus Christ. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. Imagine you could take a Japanese guy's head home with you. And everyone's just like, yeah, it's fine. I was a Japanese guy.

Case of Elizabeth Bathory inspired numerous stories during the 18th and 19th centuries. The most common motif of these works is that the countless bathing in her virgin victim's blood to retain beauty or youth. The legend appeared in print for the first time in 1729 in the Jesuit scholar Laszlo Turokse, Turokse, maybe? Tragica Historia was written in the first account of the Bathory case.

The story came into question in 1817 when the witness accounts, which had surfaced in 1765, were published for the first time. They included no references to blood baths in his book Hungry and Transylvania, published in 1850. John Paget describes the supposed origins of Bathory's blood bathing, although his tale seems to be fictionalized recitation of oral history from the area. It's difficult to know how accurate his account of events is. Sadistic pleasures is considered a far more plausible motive for Bathory's crimes." Oh, so they're saying that she did do it. Bathory's been labeled by Guinness Book of World Records most prolific female murderer although the number of her victims is debated. So this Wikipedia

though, yeah I think there was another article that Elizabeth Bathory was like Google Elizabeth Bathory was innocent. I found this but this didn't have a link it's just someone talking about it on Reddit, which says. Was never a serial killer. The myth and stories about her were made up by the Hungarian nobleman who first falsely accused her, then prosecuted her based on false evidence that was mostly hearsay.

Later, they got her servants to make proof against her by forcing them to say they saw the killings of young girls while they tortured them. This was because the wild dislike she got in those circles because of how well she treated her, what is that, jobagi? I don't know how to translate. Basically farmers who worked for her on the land, for house, and a portion of what they made. Making a bad example and she was simply kind to commoners, something noblemen just loathed. It's also helped them after she got locked up, they seized her estate. So she was actually just like a nice person.

Yeah, that seems a little fishy too. It's disappointing though, you know. Who fucking knows? You know, it's too many years ago for really, we don't even know what happened in 1963 with the Kennedy assassination. Right. You know, I take a bath every day. Not a blood bath, but I love baths. Baths are nice. I love them, yeah.

It's like my place away from my phone and stuff. Yeah, if you could live a hundred years ago, a fucking hot shower is a miracle. Oh yeah. A hot shower is a wonderful pleasure that we just completely take for granted. To sit in that shower like ah Soap and lather up wash your feet and wash your face and ah your underarms Bathe in this preheated warm water. It's wonderful. We do cold plunges for fun. That's like people had back then Yeah, you wanted to wash your dirty ass. You're getting that fucking lake

But hey dude, it's been really fun talking to you man it was really good time thanks for doing this I really enjoyed it can I plug a couple yeah plug away plug away yeah but this was awesome by the way thank you I hope you I hope you had fun I did had a great time I enjoyed it very much well definitely check out my special brave came out like not too long ago on YouTube called Brave. Also I just made a movie. Oh yeah there it is. Film at the Cellar. Nice. Jason Katz and James Webb. Great directors. Beautiful. And I also just made a movie. I have the, we just kind of made the trailer. It's about a serial killer called Memory Room. You do

like it dark huh? I like it dark. Memory Room. It's a movie I made with my brilliant co-director, Dan McCabe. Is it a comedy? No, it's about a caretaker. It's like a 25 minute thriller about a caretaker who's taking care of a guy with dementia. And one day they're listening to music

and he seems to really like the song. And she's like, oh, do you remember that song? And he's like, that song was playing in the night I strangled Rosie. He kind of just says it out of nowhere. Oh, jeez. And she starts like oh, do you remember that song and he's like that song was playing the night? I strangled Rosie he kind of just says it out of nowhere and she starts like investigating whether he actually killed someone or not and Yeah, we just filmed it No, we got a great actor Hal Robinson and did you think about playing it?

You did well. That's why you're laughing I tell you at one point He was talking about killing someone in it and he was like he looked a little too upset and I was like you got to look like it's like not a big deal like I was giving him my serial killer wisdom Like you should be talking about this like it's nothing you know right, but he was great, and you can learn about it or Where someone watch it you can watch a trailer now at a memory room movie calm We just kind of put it together, and there's also like if we went 13,000 over budget So if anyone wants to investor got a memory room movie comm and when will it be available for people to watch? Well, we're gonna we're gonna

Finish editing and then send it to all these film festivals and try to get in Yeah, I made a movie with Joe list earlier this year and I'm trying to start making more movies I've loved movies my whole life and I've written screenplays with my partner Dan McCabe who's great, great writer and we just finally started like making this and like raising money and making it it's awesome. Cool. All right man, beautiful. But it was so nice talking to you. Nice talking to you too man, it was a lot of fun. Yeah, easy.

It was a good time. Thank you so much. I enjoyed it. Thank you. All right, bye everybody.