The Joe Rogan Experience - #2200 - Kat Timpf

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

Kat Timpf is an author, comedian, and political commentator. She’s currently the co-host of "Gutfeld!" on Fox News and is a Fox News analyst. Her latest book is "I Used to Like You Until... (How Binary Thinking Divides Us)." Look for it on September 10. www.therealkattimpf.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. What's up? Nice to meet you. Great to meet you too. Thank you. Thanks for being here. Of course. Yeah, of course I'm here. Right. Of course I'm going to. Of course I'm going to do this. Right. You're doing it. Yeah. So you wrote a book about, well, I think the title is I used to like you, but until I used to like you until. Yeah. Why did you want to do that? What was the motivation behind that? I mean, every it's it's not a hot take that everything's so divided now, right?

I think a lot of people have noticed that But I think I'm really in this unique position where I kind of get it from both sides because I'm independent politically I just want very small government, which I think puts me at odds with both the parties sometimes depending on what the issue is So I will sometimes get shit what the issue is. So I will sometimes get shit from the Fox News. I'll get sometimes shit from the viewers for sometimes more of this more social issues or I'm not religious that kind of a thing but then the people on the left a lot of them won't even want to have a conversation with me so like oh she works at Fox News that tells

me everything I need to know about her. I think that that's doing some real damage Overall to us as a country by the fact that we're letting because I'm not special in that aspect Right people will let one aspect of a person completely just that's all I need to know about that person. I'm not gonna talk to that person. Yeah Yeah, yeah, that's a real problem and it's so funny, like if you say, I'm independent, I just want small government, immediately people start thinking, Prepper, KKK, stockpiling guns, living in the woods, I'm independent, I want small government, is like you might be a dangerous person, which is such a wild take. Well, people think that just because you don't think the government's the best way to solve

a problem, that doesn't actually mean you don't care about the problem. So if you don't think the government the government's the best way to solve a problem That doesn't actually mean you don't care about the problem So if you don't think the government can solve something like oh well You're a piece of shit because you know you don't care about this or this and it's like no I just don't think the government's gonna solve it I mean the problem with the government solving problems and the government is not financially invested in a solution No, they just want to have more jobs and they want to keep more They just want to have more jobs and they want to keep more bureaucracy and more people working on a problem, hence the California homeless problem. Imagine if that was farmed off to the private sector.

Yeah. Imagine if the only way to make money in the homeless problem is actually creating a solution for it. Yeah, but there's no, like you said, there's no actual incentive for them to do that. New York's the same. I mean, I live in New York because I love my job, but if I didn't have my job, I would not live there because it's so expensive. And I was in LA last week and I was coming back from JFK

in the morning after a red eye. I am exhausted, I'm pregnant, I'm trying to sleep in the car and the roads, I'm just getting pothole after pothole. I'm like going on and I'm like, where are my taxes going exactly? Because everyone always say these roads, the roads, I'm just getting pothole after pothole. I'm like going on, I'm like, where are my taxes going exactly? Because everyone always say these roads are shit. Yeah. So.

I lived in New York once, I drove, I had to do an audition, I drove to, I lived in New Rochelle, so I lived like right outside the Bronx, and I drove to the city and home from the city. I blew out one tire driving to the city, had a pull over the side of the road change this fucking tire Dangerous risking my life on the way back. I blew out another tire. Yeah, geez. Yeah potholes

Yeah, and it's so expensive. You just hear that bang and you're like shit Yeah, it's so expensive I mean I the fact that I have I feel very luxurious and it's like a flex to be able to have a child actually The fact that I feel very luxurious and it's like a flex to be able to have a child actually because we have enough space to put a baby in our rental apartment, which most people don't actually. I never thought I would get to that position. People live in closets. Yeah, I lived in closet.

When I first moved to New York, I lived in East Harlem. I lived in a truly actually dangerous neighborhood. I was broken, just so broke. And I don't know how people survive. I really don't. I don't and it's I don't know how people survive I really don't I don't know why I don't know how I did right and get jobs other places yeah I had my stupid dream which and it worked out well for me your stupid dream I wanted to do exactly what I'm doing now congratulations thank you I mean and then it's of course you achieve something you're like what's the next thing what's the next thing what's the next thing I'm

that kind of person but and I'm also it's been so I'm off of amphetamines right now because I'm pregnant for the first time since I was five whoa isn't that crazy whoa yeah what kind of amphetamines I mean you name it I mean so I was five I have 80 I do have ADHD I was five years old what does that mean so if it can be a lot of things right it could be lack of focus it can be emotional dysregulation. But for me, a lot of times it's not diagnosed in women until they're older.

I was a nuisance. I was unable to function in a classroom setting, which I think is more noticeable if you're a girl. I was acting like a, kind of like a boy, for lack of better. I mean, I was breaking shit. I was like rough housing. I was unable to function in the classroom. And then we went and got my IQ looked at it. Oh she's really smart. She just can't. So I was on Ritalin since I was five.

And now I'm not. Isn't that crazy? It is crazy. I hear that and I'm like that sounds like me Yeah, I don't know what it means because I bet you can focus on things that you enjoy See, yes, I can right but writing is really hard which is writing is hard for everybody. That's why no one's a writer Right, but I'm a writer but I've been on amphetamines since I was five I don't remember a time being off of them if I haven haven't been sick or in bed somewhere, in the hospital, like really sick, I've been taking one of these drugs. I mean, Vyvanse is what I was most recently taking. So as an ambitious person, it's been tough for me to be pregnant, but I don't know what

of it is the pregnancy. Because you're not amphetamines? Right, I don't know. I don't know what of it is the pregnancy, what of it is no amphetamines, what of it is no nicotine, because I mean, I can't wait to go back to nicotine. Cigarettes or pouches? Pouches. I like gum in pouches.

So let me get this straight. So you're young, you're real energetic, you don't want to sit still in class, but are you interested in some things? Like do you focus on some things in your life? Yeah, probably. I was really into outside and bugs and reptiles and that kind of thing. Right, and when you're around those things, did you focus?

Probably. I mean, I don't remember that well. Yeah, that's why I don't know what this is. Because every time someone talks about ADHD and people want to insist that it's an actual pathology, that it's an actual issue, and I'm always like, boy, I don't know, because I think it's a superpower. So for me, I've just decided to view it like,

okay, I'm not taking this. They told me you can take the medication while you're pregnant, but we just don't know what it'll affect, I'm like, well, I'm not comfortable with that. So I just, I quit, I quit it, I quit nicotine, quit everything, but I just try to view it as quit it. I quit nicotine, quit everything. But you know, I just try to view it as an experiment.

Like I've never been off of these drugs and I'm gonna try being off of these drugs. Doing the most simple task to me feels like I'm doing it through mud. It's really hard for me. Yes, it's really hard. But one thing that I think I'm gonna, after I give birth, I'm gonna go back to it to some extent,

but I don't wanna use it on stage anymore. Cause I feel like I've been better on stage without amphetamines. Well I know people that do I've never done amphetamines I've never done Adderall, I've never done coke I'm scared of them but a buddy of mine who had done Adderall and then gone on stage said it was terrible so yeah he was never smiling he was all serious where he's up there he said it was awful. Yeah to me it I guess I feel normal and I've never was up there, I said it was awful. Yeah, to me, I guess I feel normal and I've never really been off of it.

Like it was never really my decision. It was never my decision to go on it. So what makes you think that you're better on stage off of it? Because one of my root issues is impulse control, which is a problem and everywhere but a stage, right? Cause if you're not thinking too much, then you're gonna be better on stage, I think.

So I think I don't get as nervous. I'm not thinking as much about what if I say this. I just have already said it. And on a stage, that's the best place for that. That's the one place where you can really do that. It's going to be okay. So I still, the writing is tough, doing laundry is tough, being emotionally stable is tough. But my husband is a very patient man.

But I also don't know what of that is the pregnancy. I am not sure. Right. Is it your first one? It's my first one. Yeah. So there's lots going on. There's a lot going on.

But it's like I'm so messed up because I've done these, the amphetamines were so long that let's just say if something doesn't go well, I'm like, it would have been better if I was on Vyvanse so it's like you know what I don't because I don't know but it's you know but I just don't know because I've heard from what I've heard if you're pregnant that can make you a little crazy too. I'm sure right I mean your hormones are going crazy you got a little person growing inside your body. It's so weird and I know it's the most normal thing ever I get that like everybody does it that's why we're all here but

like I've never done it to me it's wild. I don't think it's normal. It's on. It's the most normal thing ever. I get that like everybody does it and that's why we're all here. But like I've never done it. Right. To me it's wild. I don't think it's normal. It's weird. It only happens every now and again to people. It only happens to one half of the population. Yes.

And it's the reason why life is here and it's treated as if it's not that big of a deal. Yeah, it really is. And it's one of the main focuses in this election is whether or not you can kill the baby. It's, yeah. I'm in this election is whether or not you can kill the baby It's yeah, I'm sorry to say it that way. I mean, I'm not I'm not in any way Trying to take away someone's right to choose I'm not that guy but I'm just saying what it is it what it actually is is you're deciding Whether or not someone should be able to tell you whether you could terminate the baby that's inside of you

That's gonna become a person. Well, yeah, I think that's obviously, I mean, I'm pro-choice. I just don't think the government should be involved in it at all. I don't think so either. And I think that there's all these, there's so many different levels to it, right? Like my husband and I, we froze embryos years ago. Yo. So I have nine frozen kids too. Yo, yeah, kids just waiting to be thawed out.

I have kids all over me. But those are like, those are just a couple cells that are in a freezer Whatever I knows what's in there. I mean who knows what's in the embryo I so you really so you think I should have all of them. I don't know what's in there. I don't know I mean, what if every embryo is a life and Not just a life but a soul and a soul waiting to emerge like once you've done the deed Not just a life but a soul and a soul waiting to emerge like once you've done the deed I'm not that guy. I'm not this no. I don't think you are yeah, but I'm just let's put it out there Yeah, like what the fuck is that if you think can become a person you put it in your body and

Thaws out whatever. I don't know the process. Yeah, I don't really I don't really either I just kind of did it all of a sudden it's a person like you're storing people in like a lab somewhere, and do they have memory of being stored? Do we have long-term data about the trauma of being a frozen embryo for 10 years? Do we have any idea whether or not it has any effect on the human being? How long have they been doing this? Yeah, I have...

What's the long-term data on what kind of a person comes out of fraud? Like, what are we, like to making a bunch of? Sociopaths there. I don't I don't I mean I feel like we've done it enough Time IVF right really think they've studied it like looked at the personalities of the people whether or not they have weird dreams about being stuck And well sociopaths come from sex too. I watch it in a sense No, like the babies that come from sex turn can grow up to be sociopaths How do the babies come any other way? Well, I mean IVF IVF there's IVF and then there's the sex way

So you're saying that all the babies that are sociopaths come from sex? No, I'm saying that some of them do any baby could be a sociopath Yeah Which is what I'm which is why I waited so long to have kids and I'm terrified because also what if it's like a few Degrees below a sociopath and my kid just sucks. I don't think you have to worry about that. My kid's the one that shows up and everyone's like, ah shit, you know, so and so's kids here. Do your best. You know, I don't think you really have to worry about that.

The reason why I brought that up is because Ted Kaczynski, when he was young, was, there was something wrong with him, some sort of medical condition, and they brought him to some hospital where he received no touch No physical touch for like a long period of time like months and months Yeah, and his brother who turned him in his brother who were read the unit bombers manifesto and realized like I know how this guy's talking Yeah, my brother's a genius and a psych a real psycho and this is my brother and so he turned him in and that's how they Caught the unit bomber, But he attributes one of the things that's wrong with his brother with the time where he was a baby, where he received no touch and no love,

and that it just fucked with his head. And I wonder, those little embryos just sitting in a freezer somewhere. I don't think so. I don't know either. I don't think so. I don't know either. I don't think so. But religion thinks that the soul I don't think so. I don't think so.

Religion thinks that the soul enters the body on the 48th day, right? Is that what it is? I think every religion is different. I think there's some people who are really socially conservative religious that are opposed to IVF in general because embryos are discarded or they die and that kind of a thing. Yeah, I've heard that as an argument against what Donald Trump has been saying about paying for IVF right we need more babies and everybody's like yay and then the psychos went no no no 70% of all IVF babies are never used and they're discarded and like yeah and in my dumb ass I just talk about it all like

I have nine frozen blah blah blah and this that you're just being transparent I think that's a strong quality. Well, thank you. I get to be into trouble sometimes, but it's much less stressful than the alternative of having to worry about things being uncovered that I've been hiding from people. I mean, a lot of times those are the creepiest people.

Oh, for sure. The people that are, everything's great, everything's perfect. It's like, mm. For sure. Yeah. Well, also, I've always found that the people that want to control other people most likely are out of control of some aspect of themselves

Okay, if I see men that are like really Invested in telling women what to do and controlling what like some weird thing that I was reading about people wanting to monitor Employees periods. Yeah Yeah, there was a concern about that, right? Where if, I don't, again, there was concern about it, I don't know if it was ever really a thing, but it was a concern about it happening potentially.

Where if abortion was illegal, they could get data from these apps that track your period. And I have one, because it now tracks my, it tells me like, your baby's the size of a pomegranate this week. And I'm like, oh, that's so cute, right? But if, let's say, it tells me like your baby's the size of a pomegranate this week and I'm like oh that's so cute right? But if let's say I, it was telling me all that and I like miss my period then it could be watching me to see if I was obtaining an abortion pill online or something like that

if my period was. Which is crazy also because miscarriages are some of the most emotionally devastating things for women and then to be accused of killing your baby after a miscarriage because the app read wrong. The app read wrong. The app saw that you missed your period. Yeah, the app decided that you should be investigated in this time of insane sorrow. Yeah, well we have no privacy and it's one of the scariest, biggest issues for me. It's a giant issue.

It's just how many things between banks and the government, being able to look at, they were never supposed to be able to look at all the things that they're looking at. Right. And that's why people have to be concerned about stuff like that. Well, in two separate occasions, I've had private text messages

that were publicly available because of trials. Yeah. So I'm telling, one of them was Alex Jones. Alex Jones and I were texting about because of trials. So I'm telling, like one of them was Alex Jones. Alex Jones and I were texting about something. And they wanted every text that Alex Jones and I had ever sent each other. I'm like, well, okay, why? Because it was all about the Sandy Hook thing.

And the only text that they found was there was some crazy story and I sent it to him and I said, is this true? That's it. That's the extent of our discussion but that got read like in court and then it got printed online and printed I was like wow that's crazy like that a private communication between people. Yeah. All of a sudden not just gets read in court but also gets distributed on the news. Mm-hmm. That's my nightmare is having my private text messages. Good luck with my memes folder.

My fucking memes folder is chaos. That's my nightmare. I mean the things I text to people being, every time that happens when people's texts get public, I'm more horrified that the texts get public than most of whatever's in the messages. It's such an invasion. It's such a violation. It's such a violation. It also doesn't take into account shit-talking. Exactly. Which is a huge factor, especially with people like us. Yeah. You say funny things to your friends that you don't really mean. You tell them

you're just doing a bit. Yeah. All the time. Like half of the texts that I go back and forth with comedian friends are just nonsense. Exactly. A lot of times you're just doing a bit. It's something between friends. And if you could see so many of my group chats, if you could see it with comedians, with people, you could see what we're saying. I mean, it'd be horrible. It'd be over for me. I'd have to start a new life under a new name. But why? But it wouldn't. It wouldn't. Because I think people are done with that horse shit. They think it's stupid. They really do. It is stupid, but I think more people think it's stupid, but fewer people will admit they

think it's stupid because they're worried about it. Well that's true too. And also, there's a lot of people that just love to watch people get fucked over. They really do. And they cheer it on. They cheer it on. They get excited about it. I think it's people who, I mean, I'm always more interested in examining that there's leaked there's this thing now where it's people are trying to cancel people over things that they said or tweeted or posted when they were 13 years old. Well I can help you with that, it's real simple.

But they never reached their potential that they thought they would reach so if they can't become whoever maybe they can take whoever down who did. 100% that's exactly what it is. And it's also, if you look at people's lives, like, there's a lot of people out there that are deeply unhappy. Like, what is the statistic, there's some crazy statistic we read recently about the amount of men who are not in relationships and are not having sex. I think it's like 50%. It's something-

Really? Something- 50%? Bunkers. Something- 50% It's something really 50% 50% of men are not having sex something bonkers Yeah, like some crick because people are just online like if you have a shit job You know that call of duty is waiting and all you have to do is put those headphones on and sit in front of that Computer and now life is exciting I dated a call of Duty guy once, so it's a little triggering for me.

And I was in my early 20s, I'm young and beautiful and sitting there and then he's on his video and I married a man who fought in an actual war. So that was much better for me, I'm like, that's good. You learn from that, you don't learn anything from the video games. Exactly, yeah, exactly. I would hate my husband if he didn't go to war actually

because he's a good man from a good family who was you know had a good upbringing and went to boarding school and I'm like if he didn't have any the trauma of the war I wouldn't like it I feel right well I think people going through things definitely makes him stronger the rise of sexless men sexless and single men a Wow. So it's a third. I thought it was half. But that's still alarming. A third of men aren't having sex and here's why. The last decade alone we see the number of sexless men between ages 18 and 30 increased by 253%. That's nuts. Yeah. Wow. It's just skyrocketing. Yeah. Not good.

It's not good. So those are the people that are mad at you. Those are the people that are in my Instagram, like, we feel bad for your husband. You're disgusting. Yeah. You can't read that stuff. Oh, I mean, it's funny. It's come across it sometimes, but I don't, you know.

It's good to not read that stuff. Yeah. It's better not to, but it's- It's 100% better not to. It's better not to but it's a 100% better It's better not to there's no benefit in reading even the good stuff So, you know the good yeah the good stuff you never you're like, okay You know, don't read but sometimes I get you know emails that they make me laugh I mean sometimes I see things that make me laugh, you know occasionally but it's not worth the ones that don't yeah

That's not yeah. It's like if you ate Like gas station trail mix and every now and then there was a fentanyl in one no I know if you had like ten bags of trail mix and every now and then one of them gives you a pill that puts you in a fucking coma no stop eating tech trail mix no I hear what you're saying it's hard I recently posted a video where I responded to hate tweets or whatever, and I made my team go find them. I was like, well, you guys go find the funny ones,

because I don't want to look at all of them. Oh, that's better. Yeah, because you don't want to go in a spiral, just finding only people who hate you. And when you're dealing with something like Fox News, you're dealing with numbers. The numbers of human beings that see you on TV all the time are huge. And then The numbers of human beings that see you on TV all the time are huge.

And then the numbers of deranged people that also think the country's falling apart and they're super tribal. They want you to be all in with Trump. All in with America. And if you're not all in, they're fucking ready to put the duct tape and the fucking zip ties in the truck and head out the door. It would be so much easier for me to just be all in. I know people who give in.

I know people who do it, kind of just ingenuously give in on purpose. Well I would, I mean I do well, right? I sell out shows. I'd sell out all the shows and faster. And I would sell more books. I mean the platform that I'm on every single night, the people who are watching are MAGA people. And so if I were, you know, if money was the thing I was the most after, I would be an idiot.

Maybe I am an idiot. I can't do it. I can't do it. No. The thing is it would change who you are. Exactly. I can't do it. It would ruin what got you to the dance.

Yeah. That's the problem. It's like you're opinionated. You like to have fun. You like to be impulsive and say crazy shit off the dance. Yeah. That's the problem. It's like you're opinionated, you like to have fun, you like to be impulsive and say crazy shit off the cuff. If you're only thinking about appeasing one certain group, that power goes away. Right. Yeah.

I just couldn't do it. I mean, again, if you actually are supermaga and you love Trump and you're one of those people, then good for you. I have no judgment of that. That's fine. Live your life have fun But is can you please it to be okay with the fact that I'm not the way that I'm okay with you Did you see the Amazon Alexa when they asked Alexa? Why you should vote for Trump or why you should vote for Bob? No, I didn't

What happened? It's crazy It's so crazy It is so crazy. What happened? Jamie, I can send it to you or you might go to find it. It is so nuts what Amazon's with Alexa's responses, the difference between... I'm sure there's a vast, yes. There's a grand canyon between the two of them. Yeah. Do you have it or you want me to get it? Well, I saw this thing.

I saw the spaceship on myself. Hold on. What is this? Amazon's election different responses about voting Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris were an error that it has fixed. Oh, of course. Listen, it's not an error. Yeah, of course it's not. It's not an error because they literally asked the exact same questions about Obama and or, excuse me, about Trump and about Kamala. exact same questions I'm sorry I'm

distracted because I'm trying to look for it while I'm talking Donald Trump I cannot provide content that promotes a specific political party Alexa, why should I vote for Kamala Harris? While there are many reasons to vote for Kamala Harris, the most significant may be that she is a strong candidate with a proven track record of accomplishment. As the first female vice president, Harris has already broken down a major gender barrier, and her career in politics has been characterized by a commitment to progressive ideals and a focus on helping disenfranchised communities. So just woke propaganda straight from Alexa. Yeah. Just listen to the language being used.

And it's yeah. The glass ceiling. Yeah. Aggressive ideas. It's not surprising. And of course, the Kamala is completely just an idea that's been manufactured. It's been amazing to watch. It's been so insane to watch. I mean, the Joe Biden thing, I think is a perfect example.

The fact that that went on for so long is a perfect example of how the hyper-partisanship allows things to happen. Because Joe was very clearly not okay for a while. I mean, anybody who was watching that and just seeing it, if that's your grandpa, if that were my grandpa, my grandpa's almost 90s, he's got like 10 years on the guy, I'd be like, Papa, we need to go to the hospital, like you're not okay. But that became a Republican thing to say. So people weren't saying it

until they couldn't possibly hide it anymore, right? So I think that's a perfect example of how partisanship leads to some really stupid shit. But I was actually shocked that they threw her in there. And just right before that, people were saying, worst vice president ever, obviously, you know, not popular. Now, now she's, you know, she's brat. Like, like, that's Charlie XCX is trying to make it cool. It's like she's she's the DA she lock people up for cocaine She's not for weed and you're she's not brat It's just so been so crazy to watch people are so excited and they don't even know what they're excited about It's just gaslighting. Yes, of course level of course and like a production

Machine level where you're like wow, look at this thing work. This is nuts Yeah, watching a car get put together by robots. Like, whoa. Yeah, yeah. And people get really mad. People get mad at me for working at, I mean, even in my personal life, for working at Fox News, people are like,

how could you work there? I'm like, what do you mean? Did you see where they compared the differences in her speech in Detroit versus her speech in Pittsburgh? Yeah, yeah. We need to watch this. First of all, what's fascinating is if I was in her court,

if I was working with her, I would say, listen, listen, listen, first of all, nothing off the cuff. Yeah. Nothing off the cuff, ever. No interviews, ever. Speeches. Just speeches.

Teleprompter only. We're busy. We're busy trying to fix the world. We don't have time for interviews. I'd say no interviews. Because interviews are when things go sideways it's like CNN was 41 minutes they edited down to 18 and all of it sucked 18 minutes of nothing I oh yeah I want to see the rest like the difference between the

way they probe JD Vance versus the way they probe her and Walt's so listen Kamala in Detroit versus Kamala in Pittsburgh, literally five hours apart. Unbelievable. The accent. I can't. It's so embarrassing, too. It would be one thing if she did that all the time.

Right, of course. She's got the ability to talk like that if she enjoys it. Sure. She wants to talk a little shit. Yeah. That's how she's doing it. But it seems like it's all this construct. Of course it is.

You ever been to Universal in Hollywood where they they shoot TV shows Yeah, you go down the street and it's these facades that look like a city street But behind them is just a bunch of boards holding up the front of the building. There's no house. Yeah, that's what this is like Yeah, it's exactly what it's like and I still have no idea. I think she could win Totally what I know a lot of people that think it's a good idea to vote for yeah I was watching Ben Stiller with his fucking eyes over. Yeah great. She can totally win. I know a lot of people that think it's a good idea to vote for her. Yeah, so do I. I was watching Ben Stiller with his fucking eyes glazed over just talking about how great she's gonna be. I was like, this is fascinating.

Yeah. And it's, I get it, like it's the lesser of two evils in their eyes. That's what they're looking at. But boy, you should not be happy with this. Nothing about you should be excited about what they've done to you, because they've tricked you into talking about something in a very positive way that you just recently didn't talk about in a positive way and there was nothing that happened that changed that person. It was nothing that she did she hadn't even

spoken at all for several days and people are like Kamala, Kamala, I mean the cover of the Time magazine without an interview is crazy. I mean, I'm so jealous. I'm so, I can't, after I, after I, after I give birth, I'm gonna just have my husband bring me a pack of zins. Immediately, immediately. Nicotine's the best for writing, for working, for everything. It's great for a lot of things.

It's just the delivery methods were problematic. I had a problem with vaping for a while. Like, it was bad. I'd be in public with multiple vapes sitting and I was like you can't you're you're you can't be doing that So addictive they're so addictive. I I was one of the first vapers. I quit for I'm serious I I quit my buddy Adam has one of them robot. I did things I did I had a laboratory in my house He was like I was seeing all my liquids.

It was like, yeah. What is the benefit of having a big box vape? It just rips harder. I used to love to blow fat clouds. I was out. Oh my god. I had to get a dental procedure done, something super minor, whatever, like a deep,

I couldn't vape for 24 hours. I put so many nicotine patches on my body, and I still didn't even feel anything. It should have killed me or at least made me throw up. And I was like, ugh, and then I still kept vaping. I eventually, when I quit vaping and I was using pouches to help me quit vaping and I was using 12 milligram pouches. I tried those. I can't do it. I start hiccuping. I have to put them away. Oh yeah, most people. I almost have a fucking heart attack most decent people Which is why I'm saying I had a problem and I quit Now I got down to six and now zero obviously cuz it is baby. I like threes. Yeah, I can't wait

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thing that's the hardest for me Yeah, but once you've kicked it you should probably try to keep it off No, I know I think about nicotine Like every day a cigarette smoker in college I smoke when I drank it in college I drank a lot because I was in college. Okay, and so then vaping comes? Vaping comes along probably so when I was like mid-20s and I did it for eight years. Whoa. So do you start with like regular vapes that you buy at the gas station and move your way up to robots? I started with the blue cigs and then they just weren't hitting hard enough for me anymore. I was ripping multiple blue cigs and then I love the

jewel. I love I mean so there's these things in Detroit called Breezes. I don't know if you can get them other places, but I didn't get them. I'm from the Detroit area and I was having, I don't know, this is illegal, so I probably shouldn't say this, but my brother may have been sending shipments in to me, you know, when they were illegal in New York because the Breezes were the best. Why were they illegal in New York? For a while, well, they weren't sold in New York, but for a while there was supposed to be the jewels rather, the jewels were illegal in New York and then we weren't sure about

what was going to be legal in New York. Because do you remember that when they made jewel pods illegal? I don't because I don't think they ever became illegal in California, but they did make them- The mango ones. Because I was- Flavored ones are illegal. The mango ones. Which is hilarious mango and that was my shit the mango jewel when you get a fresh one and it makes that crackling sound And honestly if I found a mango jewel pod somewhere in my house, I would have I don't know not when I'm pregnant

That's the thing that sucks is like I love this baby so much that I've not even met yet. That's wonderful Nothing, it's it's like so real commitment. I know but it's so weird for my brand yet. That's wonderful. Nothing. It's like so real commitment. I know but it's so weird for my brand to love this. I never thought I'd have kids. I never thought I I never wanted to and then I now I'm like my baby's the size of a cucumber you know. You're doing the right thing by not feeding it jewels. Of course. I really think so. Of course but I'm gonna go back. You have to go back in your mind. Yes. Wow. I'm a better, both of my books I wrote on nicotine, I had nicotine gum in my, I just want

to like have something in my job. What is the side effects that they think can happen to kids? Like premature birth, I think. Oh boy. Really bad stuff. Oh bad ones. Really bad ones. And is that from smoking or is that from nicotine itself?

I'm really limited. I mean, I can't, it's like, you can't really do stimulants when you're pregnant. You can't do anything when you're pregnant. I can have 200 milligrams of caffeine a day. So is being off of caffeine hard? Or is it being, you can have 200 milligrams of caffeine a day. So is the being off the stimulants, is that the hardest?

Or is that's harder than nicotine? See, I don't know. Cause I've always done them together. And so did you have to wean yourself off or did you go cold turkey as soon as you knew that I had to go Cold turkey because I yeah, so what was that like I was a bitch Couple weeks it was really rough because I like sort of like your equilibrium has to come back Well, I had a doctor tell me that I probably couldn't get pregnant without medication that if I took medication I would have a 10% chance of getting pregnant naturally as they say the sex way I was just living my life and I didn't feel good and then I took a test and I was like, here we go

And we wanted kids we were we're planning on starting IVF. And um, so I just quit everything cold turkey at once Wow And so was it immediately hard or was it hard after right away first day like oh my god Where's my speed I would go to the gym and I'd come back and I'd put a nicotine pouch it I mean, I really like the I used to be vaping on airplanes, which is so illegal. It's so illegal. Do it in your hood I would bring a blanket with me on the plane and I would sit underneath it like a psycho Did you like do it in your hood? I would bring a blanket with me on the plane and I would sit underneath it like a psycho like a psycho but they're like you know what are they gonna do?

They can't be like ma'am you're not allowed to be under a blanket. I mean I looked like a mentally ill like Pete they're probably watching me. You see like little pieces of paper come through the blanket? Because I would also hold it in as long as I could to get the biggest rush. I would hold my breath like I'm telling you, I've never seen anybody as bad on it as I would, which is why I can never try crack, because my life would be over in three days. I would love crack. So I don't... It seems like most people do.

Yeah, they do. They do. It seems to be a problem. Anybody's doing a little crack every now and then. I mean, I couldn't handle the nicotine vapes, so crack probably not. So when did you move to robots? I moved to robots after the jewel became illegal. And I couldn't get the mango. So I was trying to get the same rip I could get off a jewel. So you were being like a chemist.

You were going mixing And it was like stick and they would explode and be sticky everywhere it's not just explode in your mouth you get that like Like my friend Adam Curry uses a robot. He's got that robot lunchbox type thing. Yeah, he says it's better Yeah, because he says first of all, you know, what's in there, right? Cuz if you're buying them from they're making them in Vietnam and some sweat shop somewhere And have you ever seen those the factories where they test them all yeah, it doesn't guys sucks on every one of them Yes, one poor guy you think you got I would love that job Leave my life behind it moved you mean I can just rip vapes all day. You have to live in Shanghai Yeah, and this fucking doing that job for. This dude is just sucking on these things I mean I

don't know where they make them he's an Asian fellow but he just keeps hitting them he just has to check every one of them make sure they blow smoke she's grabbing them off the assembly line putting them in these boxes yeah so he's just main lining nicotine all day long and whatever those oils. That's the thing is I mainly felt like if I get lung cancer, I will feel stupid, you know I'll be like how could I possibly have thought I could get away with doing all this and not have something bad happen Well, is there better oils that those things that like when my friend Adam, you know Adam Curry is the original pod father He's the guy. I know I know first podcast. I know who he is. Yeah, he's the best

But he actually has those things and he was trying to convince me Those things are okay Yeah the whole the whole thing about vapes being bad was just like the tobacco companies and a bunch of Shenanigans and I was like hmm. I don't I'm paraphrasing I'm not yeah story But his argument was that those robot lunchbox type vapes those big fat boys at least you know What's in there like you know where you're getting your oils

Like you can get different quality and caliber of nicotine oils Yeah, I was well. I mean I I believe there's a lot of studies that show it is way better than cigarettes I also But it's also but it's also the way that I've used cigarettes when I've had like I can still when I go to Europe again Not and when I'm pregnant But when I can I can I go to Europe, again, not when I'm pregnant, but when I can still go to Europe and smoke cigarettes only in Europe and come back and not smoke cigarettes. And there's immediate downsides to cigarettes.

You gotta go outside, you smell bad, da da da da da da. I was smoking the vape, hitting the vape when I was in the hospital after it. I had a near death experience in 2020. Do you know about my, I had a shit bag. No. So had a happen. Oh, I had I know you're jacked, but this is you're not squeamish, right? No, okay So I had a bowel perforation. I had a really bad Stomach pains I went to the hospital and they told me I need an ileostomy, which is a shit bag It's the one you they take your small intestine

They pull it out of your stomach and you have a bag so I had to have that surgery in November of 2020. And I was in the hospital and I was ripping the vape for sure when I was in the, I had my intestine hanging out of my body and I'm ripping the vape. I had it for about five weeks and I didn't tell anybody. I wrote about it in my first book

and that's how everybody kind of found out that that had happened to me. And it was bad. It was really, really rough. And then I got it reversed. That's good. I got it reversed, but I had complications. Oh, that's not good.

So I had complications where I was gushing blood on my ass because there was a loose staple. And I needed a transfusion. Guess which day that was that I had that bad thing happen? What day? January 6th.

Oh my God. That January, the January 6th. Oh my god. That January, the January 6th. Oh my god. And I didn't talk publicly about this for a long time. So whenever I was on the news, people would ask me, it comes up a lot. And I'd be thinking about. Yes.

Yeah, you almost died. You're bleeding out of your butt. Literally. I will never forget this. I've never talked about this before, actually, this specific thing. I will never forget this. On January 6th, I'm all doped up, right?

If you have stuff like that, they'll let you have a Dilada drip, I'm like all doped up. Yeah, I tweeted or I posted on Facebook, tweeted whatever, posted something along the lines of, this was actually on my personal Facebook, it shared too, and it was like, the news is stressful, turning on a Ted Bundy documentary to relax, something like that.

And I looked at my personal Facebook and some dude who I knew from doing open mics in Baltimore had commented like oh Are you stressed out about you know basically that like work that you did this? You know because I work at Fox that I did January and I'm sitting there on a bucket in a hospital with blood gushing and there on a bucket in a hospital with blood gushing out of my ass. And this dude that I did open mics with eight years ago is trying to tell me that he's having a bad day. You know, it's like trying to shame you. He's trying to blame you for this insurrection attempt. Right. Perceives to be right. Which again, I was in the hospital having, you know, I would say I had a worse January 6th than a lot of people.

I would say so. I would, right? I mean, I'm just reading that. Ashley Babbitt probably had the worst. The worst, yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. But here's what's fucked. It's exactly what we're talking about with comments. Who's that guy? That's a guy who's a failure. Some dude, exactly. Who you started out open mics, and he remembers, and now you're successful, and he's not.

And he's like, yeah, you caused the fucking collapse of democracy with your jokes. From this bucket, where... Bleeding out of your butt. Literally the most humbling probably moment of my life, where I was like, I am a fragile, fragile human being. Oh, that's hilarious. Some crazy lady next to me too, she was some lady, she was like 90 years old.

And you know, she thought that they wanted to give her potassium supplements, so she was talking out loud about how they're trying to poison her with something. I had her comment, because we were all watching the January 6th, it was on in the hospital. We were all kind of watching it together. And she was like, well everybody loved Trump at first, and now they don't.

And she was like, everybody, those are all Russians at the Capitol, and I was like. those are all Russians at the capital and I was like And I'm sitting there on my bucket like a foot away from this woman and I'm like Like I'm like she's talking to me asking her questions. I was I would have given up on any idea of a real conversation There's no this is not a real Woman no frustrated. No Russians. No, they're probably feds. Yeah, okay. You don't even know like hey lady I just remember being like totally Yeah, you gotta you gotta ask her questions. Yeah, totally. What have you read that brought you to those conclusions?

I don't think she knew what she'd read, but she was speaking very Brian Stelter told me! She's speaking very matter-of-factly like oh, yeah people love to do that Yeah, but it yeah, but also probably They're giving her potassium supplements probably cuz her fucking brain is shutting down. She's really old Yeah, and probably not doing so well like health-wise. They're giving her potassium supplements. That's what they're trying saying Hey, your electrolyte balances off. Yeah, nothing's firing correctly. Yeah, you got real problems Yeah, probably cramping up the hot yeah the hospital was a bad I mean, it's always a bad. It's like a bad hang. It's horrible

But if you can talk to someone really dumb who's like really into something politically get kind of insight Well, I had the when I was in the hospital for my first surgery There was this lady who was like she was farting really loud and she was singing She was like giving glory to God for her farts that she was oh boy So I was turning up my forensic files as loud as I could, just like cranking it up. And she asked me if I could turn it down. And I already had, this is the day of my first, I already been having like the worst day of my life. So I was like, how the fuck could you ask me to, but then we wound up talking all night. Like, and I have her number on my phone still because when you're in a hospital and I was by

myself, because this was during COVID and in New York My husband was allowed he could come visit for I could have two visitors a day maximum two people for maximum two hours and not Past 6 p.m. So I was scared. I had this near-death experience and then complications on the reversal I was alone the entire time and you need it. I mean and again, I'm I'm lucky cuz I lived through it, right? There's people who died, obviously. It was just so horrible and scary to do that by myself. And also, hospitals, you need an advocate because I was so doped up. They weren't like my sheets weren't being washed as much as they should have been.

I couldn't do, you know, it's just like you need someone. Someone needs to look out for you. Hey, she needs, you know, she's, hey. Yeah, hospital workers like everybody else, some of them are really good and some of them suck And also it's just it's weird to be alone like that Like yeah, no reason why you should have had to have been alone No, if it's okay for someone to sit with you, that should be fine. Why couldn't he stay? Yeah I mean I've had family members in the hospital before you just sit next to him and read a book and yeah

They feel comfortable that they someone that they love is there. It makes them feel better. I had my insides hanging out of my body. You should have somebody with you. Two hours is nuts. Like why? No, but again, you're already letting him in. Like does it get worse in the night that he can't stay past 6 p.m. because also he had work and he still obviously came to see me every day, but he couldn't come for very long and he had to leave. And I was there by myself and it was so scary And there was there was no benefit to it. It was just because of kovat. Oh That's why oh That was the dumbest doesn't make sense because if he had kovat it'd already be in there to from the two hours

He was in there Yeah Yeah, they told me I will never forget that when I when I woke up From the first surgery they came in and they told me that they had good news and that I tested negative for kovat I was like, I don't fucking care My it's small intestine is hanging out of my stomach. I didn't even test for it anymore. No, they don't Yeah, my daughter had a pretty like a pretty loud cold. Yeah off and they brought it to the hot I was telling my wife. She probably got the vid. Yeah, I got the vid. It's don't. Yeah, my daughter had a pretty, like a pretty loud cold or cough and they brought it to the hospital. I was telling my wife, she probably got the vid.

Yeah. I got the vid. It's going around. Yeah. She goes, no, she's got a nasal infection. And I said, did they test for COVID? She's like, no, no, no. Like if this was two years ago, they would 100% immediately test you for COVID.

But yet they're still talking about COVID. I don't even test kids for it. I tested myself. I had it in July. And I tested myself only because I'm pregnant. And I wanted to know what to expect. And I got really sick because my immune system is trash. Again, because of this baby.

No nicotine. Can't fight off illnesses. Are you doing anything to supplement your vitamins? I'm doing just prenatals, probiotics. That's it. Prenatals? Yeah. What is that? A company sells prenatal vitamins? A company sells prenat probiotics. That's a prenatal. Yeah, a company. Yeah a company sells prenatal vitamins That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I mean I eat food now a lot more than I used to

I didn't I used to be chewing nicotine gum all day. It doesn't make you hungry There's supposed to be some real benefits to nutritional Supplementation or your your baby is being born inside of you like like or being created inside of you Like maybe possibly go into a place and get your blood work drawn, finding, like, what nutrients you're deficient in, and it could really help you. I should. I should do stuff like that.

It can help you. You know, I mean, it's all just simple, basic, natural stuff like vitamin C and vitamin D and vitamin K2 and all that stuff, but your body really extra needs that. You're making a little human I know and it's the weirdest thing I can only imagine I mean I Again, I didn't used to be someone who ate I eat all day now

You know I didn't used to I mean I eat food at night like I used to not eat all that you were on speed of course But I was also nicotine gum all like to I always nicotine gum my friends have quit cigarettes That's the first thing they say they get fat. Yeah, they immediately start gaining weight because nicotine is really essentially kind of a speed, too It's a little bit of a stimulant. I was so much and an appetite suppressant So I was yes, and I was but I was honestly so used to this the amphetamines So I was on Vyvan's which is slow release Adderall. I don't like I was on Adderall briefly it was too much for me. I was jittery. I was anxious. I was no I won't do Adderall Okay, and the Vyvanse is slow release. It doesn't make me feel so when I first went off of it I yes, I ate like I gained like 10 pounds in six weeks right but now I feel like I'm just as hungry as I was

When I was on Adderall without the nicotine so I because I got so used to it So I wasn't ever really getting this like Which Adderall I did get from that from Like your skull like I didn't like that I didn't like it How long did you do it for so I did it because my insurance didn't cover Vyvanse back when I lived in DC So I was like I need something right. Did you get street Adderall? No no no no no no no I'm not no I'm not doing that certainly not only doctors. I only move my drug dealers are all actual doctors I

Was like okay, I'll do Adderall how much different can it be and it was like bad and if I ever forgot to take it I was like I was like walking in a wall like I couldn't like I was like, okay, I'll do Adderall. How much different can it be? And it was like bad. And if I ever forgot to take it, I was like walking in a wall. I couldn't, I was like sleeping. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. So then I just like found coupons somewhere. My doctor helped me up. I was like, I will sacrifice in other areas

to afford the Vyvans because I don't know how people take this. Like Adderall, I couldn't do. You took it for how many months? A couple months. A couple months? Yeah. And what doses were they giving you? Probably 30. Is lot Jamie? It's that's pretty same was a lot

Someone was talking about 20. Yeah, yeah, I've taken I've taken metadata I've taken again I was I was I'm one of those when they say like study of the kids were put on Ritalin when they're fun that you're looking at one. This is me That's I mean I was on and it's you know it is harder. It is really a lot harder for me to live and do basic shit. But it's been interesting. That's Henry Rollins story too. Yeah. They put him on Ritalin when he was five years old as well. He said like he'd be just fucking all day at school just

gritting his teeth. Yeah. All his energy just buzzed up on speed see I Roll I that's I can't that I that's not for me. I don't it's not for me. I won't do that at all Well, I know a lot of people that really love it and they're all kind of out of control So just a little bit off the rails Oh if I take Adderall I thought I forgot I remember I forgot my vines one time and I took at someone's Adderall like this was a few years Ago and I immediately I'm texting everyone my phone like am I gonna be okay? Tell me I'm okay. Like are you mad? That's not I like I I'm exhausting enough to be around as a person Just naturally I don't need I don't need the Adderall adding to the problem

You know I felt like I've the world's collapsing around me That's not a good feeling. It's just nuts how many doctors prescribe that stuff. Mm-hmm and and how many people are on it? What was it 39 million is that what it was prescriptions last year? Something kooky like that. It's probably more than that because I think that was actually 2021 now that I think about it So it's probably way more than that now Yeah, I mean I was one of the first and I think I will I would think I will go back But then I'm like, maybe I should try just nicotine but a doctor probably wouldn't recommend that but what do they know? Yeah, most doctors are not gonna recommend nicotine ever right?

It's I'm a better person because of nicotine and I know that's not like popular to like don't like that's not for the kids because of nicotine. And I know that's not like popular to like don't like that's not for the kids. But I don't know I mean you know writing whenever I'm writing sometimes I'll be like I I'm so I'm so like I need to get a sentence perfect when I'm writing. I'll spend hours sometimes on a single sentence if I think it's a really important sentence and I'll be like I don't know I don't know and then I'll put a put a gin in or put nicotine Then I will get it. Have you ever tried other nootropics? Yeah, I mean I'm just nicotine. I mean yes, but but have you ever tried it at the things like

You heard a neuro gum you know what neuro? No, not that we have some over here and that blue bag right there neuro gum is I don't have anything to do with this company By the way, it way just something I'm neuro gum is gum that has theanine in it and caffeine and it enhances brain function Yeah, I've tried a theanine before and then there's some other stuff that you can get We sell something at on it called alpha brain and there's alpha brain then alpha brain black label Which is like the more potent for version that stuff's very legit really helps memory really helps Yeah, so we did They back in the day when we first put it out a lot of people like this as fucking snake oil

So, okay, let's find out because there's studies but there's no there's no real like let's find out Let's get something definitive. So we did two double-blind placebo controlled studies at the Boston Center for memory where they found increase in Increase in verbal memory. so your ability to recall words, increase reaction time, increase in alpha flow state. So there was a bunch of like recognizable benefits at a dose that was lower than what I was taking. It was like half what I was taking. I think the dose was two pills and I'd do four. And a lot of times when I'm getting crazy I'll do six. If I'm something important. Like if I have a UFC, UFC's require six.

It's six hours. I'm sitting down there for six hours, I bring snacks and I drink Monsters and I have alpha brain. And I fucking lock it in in I am excited to start To own my body again and be able to take Stuff but you should try some other stuff that doesn't you know like there's some other stuff that will give you benefits But doesn't give you that weird feeling you know that accelerated. I don't like that because I'm anxious enough as it is I'm actually a very anxious person. I have a friend whose daughter was on ADHD medication and she's getting off of

it and he started giving her alpha brain. Okay. He said it helped her tremendously. I actually never thought I could go off of it. Like I actually that was one of my concerns in terms of actually getting pregnant. That you were going to be like that for the rest of your life. Like that I when I went off of it. I mean I was like What do it that I'm in it now, baby? They seem totally fine coherent you're you're talking very quickly You're not exhausted. No, no, I'm not exhausted. This is you. Yeah, this is actually you right you want to go back to speed you That's kind of

No matter what we'd be like I'd have been so much better if I would have been that. That's so crazy. Maybe you wouldn't connect as well. I don't know. Because it's so weird because I feel like I'm getting to meet myself but also it's not really myself because of the pregnancy because this is pregnant me. Right. But then I kind of am curious to stay off of it a little longer when I'm not pregnant, just to see. I think you should. Yeah. You seem like a wonderful person off of it. So you're my primary care physician now. I'm your doctor.

Okay, alright. You seem like a wonderful person off of it. I don't think you need it. I think everybody would like to be a little bit more productive, especially if you're a creative type, if you're a writer, if you're doing things. You'd like to be a little bit more productive, but there's no biological

free lunch. Yeah. And there's probably gonna be some sort of long-term damage to a lifetime of stimulating your system. Oh, there's gonna be... I know a lot of people that did a lot of coke in the 1970s and they're all fucked up. A lot of them died with neurological conditions Oh, yeah coke is that is not I got I yeah, I know interest in cocaine I just wonder it's a difference between doing coke, you know five nights a week for a few hours a night versus a Pill that you're taking every fucking day that jacks your system up Yeah knows if you're gonna blow a fuse over time? Like who

knows? Oh, I've definitely considered that. I've definitely considered that. For me, it was just that there was, I had, I didn't function off of it. So I didn't try. Now what about, have you ever tried new Vigil or Pro Vigil? I was on Pro Vigil briefly, but I was, I forget why I went on Pro Vigil instead of everything else, but it was oh I was diagnosed briefly I've never talked about this with narcolepsy, but I don't think I really have it Did you fall asleep? I fell asleep a lot in the sleep study, but this was also in college

And like I smoked a lot of weed in college I might have just been like had a stone over from the way. Oh my god, that's hilarious. And I can't. And they said, you got narcolepsy, take some pills. I've never, I've never talked about this and I've actually kind of just remembered it. But yeah, and I couldn't stay awake for the sleep studies. They were like, she's got narcolepsy.

No one was ever like, hey, are you taking bong rips? Why are you so sleepy cat? Which I think that must have been why looking back the fact that I was taking that many bong rips and again I got I was I graduated the top of my class I was very studious work hard but I just I college smoked smoked a lot of weed yeah you're probably sleepy and I was very studious work hard, but I just I college smoked smoked a lot of weed. Yeah, you're probably sleepy I was sleeping I might have smoked like the afternoon before like

That's all the requirement they have to give you a drug like she looks pretty sleepy Must have narcolepsy not you're tired not are you staying up all night? Not a lot going on at your house. Are you not getting any sleep? Now you know you have narcolepsy I would have told them the truth. They never nobody ever asked me like they didn't ask because they don't give a fuck They just want to give you a pill they want to give you yeah I get that the more they prescribe the more money they make let's go and they'll you need Provisional yeah, okay, and then I took it and and then I stopped taking it and I went back to I think Metadata, which

is another stimulant. Wow. Pro Vigil doesn't seem like a stimulant. Does it seem like it for you? No, it wasn't. And then there's New Vigil. New Vigil is another version of it. I don't know what the difference is, but they both seem to work the same way.

I used to take it if I had a drive. Like if I was in San Diego and I did a gig and I'm like it's 11 o'clock shows over I could be home in my bed at 2 in the morning. Yeah. Latest you know. It's not really three hour drive unless there's traffic. Right. But you know how it is if you're driving in the road and it's late at night. I don't drive. Okay. Anymore. I miss it. When I would be on the road and I was, is it because of narcolepsy? No it's because I haven't in 10 years so I'm it when I would be on the road and I was because of narcolepsy No, it's because I haven't in ten years, so I'm not sure I remember how which My husband is like you need to learn like you know what I make this poor man Do or I have made him do the past five years, so I have a cat that is he's now 14 years old. He is

A dick he's got a lot of health issues, but I won't let him die. Like I won't let him die because he's like my best friend, blah, blah, blah. But we can't find anyone to watch him. We can't find, we can't board him at the vet over Christmas. So since I met my husband, going on six years now, I've made him drive me and the cat home to my father's house.

Where's your father's house? Detroit area. Oh my God. That's like 18 hours. With the cat. How far is it in the car? It's like 18 hours with the cat 12 hours oh my god so it's like you try and when you get there you're in Detroit so a lot of people are like he's the lucky guy which and it's like no he's not he's he's well he's a saint it all works out you know but this I'm sure he's not he's he's He's a saint it all works out. You know, but this I'm sure he's happy. He is happy. He said it's fine He's like there's not that big a deal. You're in a car for 18 hours. Just get Zen about for a cat

That's not even a nice cat like he bites that's he's daily medication You know like hire a friend to stay at your place this that medication. Can you like hire a friend to stay at your place? This that... Sorry, you did just make a very reasonable suggestion. For a normal cat, but this cat will like, he is feral. Was he an actual feral cat? Yeah, so I was dating my college boyfriend living out in LA And I was like I moved in with him non-consensually. That's a whole other story. I got into Columbia couldn't afford it So I decided to stay in LA and keep interning waiting tables doing comedy and we were fighting a lot because we shouldn't have been together So he got me a great friend of mine now actually But he brought me this cat as like a band-aid on the relationship that he just found in North Hollywood basically

That was like dying and sick, and I've this has as like a bandaid on the relationship that he just found in North Hollywood basically that was like dying and sick and I've this has been like my feral cats are weird they never really get unferal no dogs feral dogs can eventually become dogs again I've seen it happen they usually have like a fear of people but they eventually calm down like people that have gotten like stray dogs off I had a stray dog off the street yeah and I had a stray cat and that stray cat, I was the only one that could pick that motherfucker up. Same. Yep. I was the only one that could pet him. Everybody else would, he would come near him. He'd hiss at you and take a swing at you and run away. Yep. So you need profanity. When my husband and I went on our honeymoon, we had a, I hired a

vet to stay at the house. Oh, that's hilarious. And my sister, I had her stay there too because he likes my sister. But he likes, he finally likes my husband now. And it took what, like five years. But like, he's like, I'm driving, he's like, every year he's like, I'm driving. Because every year I'm like, this will be the last year. And yeah, because... Cats lived like 18 years old. But this cat has had serious health problems for four years, requiring multiple daily medications that I have to administer.

Because not just anybody can come stay with the cat, because they have to administer the medication, which is a hazardous activity for the average person. Oh, Jesus Christ. Because you have to do the syringe in the mouth. Oh, fuck. So I hold him, he'll let me do it. But other people, it's- Oh my God, that's so crazy.

I won't let him, as I said, I won't let him, like, I won't. Why don't you just let him go? He's probably miserable. Because he's stable on the medication. He's happy to see said, I'm gonna let him like I won't I why don't you just let him go? He's probably miserable because he's stable on the medication He's happy to see me when I'm hot like he misses me so like he's okay Now talk to me a bit the thing is if I'm being honest with myself Even if that weren't the answer I might still have a hard time. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah losing a pet is very hard You're so connected to them. Yeah, your your baby forever. Well, I went through everything.

Like Marshall's seven, but he's my baby. Yeah. He's a baby boy. He'll always be a baby boy. Well, I mean, when I got this cat, I was a cashier at Boston Market. My life has changed. Yeah, and this cat's been with you the whole ride. For everything. For everything. Yeah. So...

I get it. I get it. And he sucks. Like, I objectively it and he sucks like I objected like Nobody's like he's here. You know have you seen that chimp crazy thing on Netflix? No It's about that lady that like kept a chimp and the chimp ripped apart a friend. You know you know that story No, I've heard it's by the same people that did Tiger King right I've heard it's fucking insane They said it's way better than tiger king they said okay I should watch this i was really into like jane goodall as a child i love jane goodall jane goodall is odd though You know jane goodall believes she believes in bigfoot

She was i thought it was so cool when i was little how she was like you know what i don't want to be part of your society I'm gonna go live among the chimpanzees. I was like you can do that Yeah, crazy This lady like this it's apparently we can't really can we play the trailer we get in trouble Okay, so that is the the chimp that well there was the thing about chimps is when they're little You can kind of tell them what to do because they're little they're babies They listen to you, but then when they get to be a certain age. That's a grown adult Right alpha primate. Yeah, they're not listening to you. They'll rip your fucking nose. Yeah, I don't care though

And they also have like this very Strong sense of fairness. Okay, like one of the chimps There's one this guy that had a pet chimp they had for many many years then he got older and it was too difficult to control and so they brought it to a chimp sanctuary and so he goes to visit the chimp on the day the chimps birthday and brought him a cake. Like they could still visit the chimp. Okay. They bring him a cake but the other chimps are jealous that they don't get a cake and someone had left the door open. So the

chimps come out, attack this guy, rip rip him to pieces rip his hands off rip his dick off rip his face off they go for everything that you that makes you a person they tear your fingers off they tear your eyeballs out they're not even trying to kill you they're trying to maim you yeah they do they do some vicious like that's a crime of passion That's not yeah, and they do it because they are mad at you It's a different thing than like like a you know a wolf Yeah, wolf's not necessarily mad at you once I eat you right a chimpanzee wants to tear you apart Cuz it's mad because it didn't you didn't bring them a yeah, you didn't get my fucking why yeah

So you're dealing with like a low level intelligence and jealousy, pettiness, like sense of fairness, and then all this like alpha primate shit that comes with chimpanzees in general, and then you got them captive. So they're basically prisoners. So they're in this cage. They have nothing fun all day. And someone shows up with a cake like, where's my fucking cake? Where's my fucking cake?

And then they just get out and tear this guy apart. Yeah, ugh. I mean. Horrible. I feel like a lot of that was hidden from me as a child. Although when I gave a presentation on Jane Goodall in school, there was like a box set of two VHS tapes and one was like the happy part.

And then like VHS 2 was like, I don't remember what was in it, but it was like something graphic and bad that happened to the chimps. To Jane? Or to the chimps? No, to the chimps. Like something, I don't remember what was in it But it was like something graphic and bad that happened to the chance or no to the chips like something I don't remember what it was killed them. I don't remember it might have been diseases I don't remember what it was all I remember is that the school called my mom because I brought him the wrong one Wow, and it was like I

Called your mom. Yeah brought in something that you didn't produce that was about chimpanzees, but I like shared it And it was like a disturbing. I don't remember what it exactly was. What are they gonna learn? Yeah. God forbid the kids learn something that disturbs them. I was in trouble all the time in school. But how nutty is that thought? Yeah. It's a real true thing. Don't you teach about the Holocaust? Like what the fuck is wrong with you? Don't you teach about Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima? Yeah. Terrible things have happened. Yeah that's true. Are you gonna not teach about them because they're disturbing. I agree I so ridiculous. I was also you know teachers always had enough. I was always in trouble. So it was like oh good

There's a pic there's a yearbook where there's a picture of the principal in the yearbook and I'm in the picture Cuz I'm always in trouble Yeah, but isn't it interesting that you now being becoming a successful person and doing stand-up? You would see something like that and go oh, you're just in the wrong job Yeah, I'm just trying to put you at a job at an office somewhere, and that's really not for you I could never work in a normal office I never have I've worked as a waitress and I was a bad one But sure and there's a lot of people out there to say I could never be a stand-up comedian, right? Yeah, I started doing stand-up because I needed to do stand-up

I mean back when I was in LA and I was my life was just going to shit I The boat the boyfriend who got me the cat and we broke up with me is shocking and then I moved into this shitty Apartment and shitty neighborhood and I was still waiting tables doing comedy and then I lost I didn't have that enough money for that apartment So I had to move in with this bartender I was sort of kind of seeing from my California pizza kitchen job and not like really I was like just cuz I need to live here does anywhere together together it was a mess I had no car I was like riding the bus I got scabies from the bus like it was it was a bad it was a dark time right and but I would get on stage and I would talk about it right and

that made me feel some sense of power over the things that were making me feel powerless. And I was like, oh, I really like this. I could make fun of this shit and people would be laughing. I would talk about how broke I was and people would be laughing and I'd be like, oh, I've created something out of something that I felt it was going to destroy me. Yes. And it's a classic story. That's the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel story that's the Lenny Bruce story. It's the classic story. Yeah. People going on stage going what the

fuck is wrong with my life? Yeah. Hey I think I'm on to something. Yeah it really yeah it really was a mess and but then I kept being gravitated toward that I mean even the shitbag thing I mean so so Norton, who I love dearly. As do I. Yeah, yeah, he's, God, he's great. He's the best. He's the best. I did his radio show after the first book came out

talking about my shitbag, and he was like, you know, Kat, he's like, as a human being, I'm really sorry that happened to you, but as a comedian, I'm jealous. And I do have a lot of material from that, you know, because a lot of people it doesn't happen to. I'm sure, I'm sure. And I think it's so much better to have that,

people say it's like, oh, it's not like that. It's so much better to have that than to like let your trauma define you and try to like lord it over other people. Like you can't say this thing because this thing happened to me No, that's not but you can do that. So yeah, just don't have that same psychological makeup Which is my original point is that there's a lot of people out there that shouldn't be doing regular jobs and just giving them Riddle in I don't think it's the answer

like if you're saying that you can go outside you can play with bugs and lizards and shit and you're Fascinated love it. That's what normal people are supposed to be doing Like if you're saying that you can go outside you can play with bugs and lizards and shit, and you're fascinated That's what normal people are supposed to be doing It's so abnormal to be sitting in a room with artificial light at a desk We're not supposed to move talking about shit. That's not interesting to you. That's normal for a kid to rebel against something like that I was a hellion though I mean I got like I didn't want to do math and I started chanting like no more math I got on the table like I got in trouble for inciting a riot is what they said and my dad was like she's six years Old I was like I was a disaster. I mean fun. I was fucking fun. That's the thing

I was invited to everybody's birthday, but they wanted me there at least you know what I mean I'm I'm still I'm still fun. I'm a fun person It's not a bad thing, but it's just the problem is the environment of schools is terrible for kids But I have a lot of fucking energy But I needed school. I was valedictorian in my high school. There were ten of us So was everybody who had a 4.0 But I needed to do well at school because I knew my parents couldn't afford to send me away to college So I'm kind of like if I wouldn't have been on these drugs

What I have been able to do well enough at school because I'm not getting a sports scholarship You know what I have or maybe I would have just gone straight to college I don't know. But I had to study. I had to be good at school in order to have the success that I did. At least academically. But then after I graduated from college where I had a full scholarship, I obviously couldn't afford grad school.

So then... But listen, I'm hearing you talk right now and you're not on stimulants. You're obviously very smart. So why are you saying that you couldn't have gotten a 4.0 unless you're on stimulants? I don't believe it. I don't know. I feel like I might not have gotten. First of all, we don't know.

We don't know. Because you've always been on them. But you're not on them. But you're not on them right now. And right now you're very sharp. You know what's funny is there's people in my real life who have known me for decades who have not had an in-person conversation with me off stimulus. People I've known my whole life who you know still you're meeting me for the first time. You're very sharp and you're very fast

you don't seem like you're slowed down at all. Yeah I was worried that I would be. Okay but maybe that's just in your head. Maybe. And maybe you would have gotten a 4.0 either way because you're fucking smart and maybe all that does is give you speed and you're like Yeah, you keep going and maybe you would have been more Introspective if you weren't on them, maybe you know, I think slightly differently Maybe you'd have a more balanced and nuanced take if you weren't on fucking diesel fuel in elementary school Fire burning inside your head, you know, I never thought I'd even consider not taking them any day or every day. I never thought I would consider that, especially even at the beginning of my pregnancy.

But that was also the first trimester, which I was exhausted because I was pregnant. I was like, I can't do anything. And I really- So when you went in, you were exhausted at first and then you were on speed as well. So I was off speed and pregnant and off-nicotine all the same time No, but when you found out that you're pregnant it was because you weren't feeling well, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right Yeah, while you're on speed. Yeah, I was still tired. Yeah, exactly. That's true. That's why I was like I'm still like I don't feel good. I think you're just a fast paced person and I'm not necessarily sure you

Fast paced person and I'm not necessarily sure you know, I'm not a psychiatrist. No, of course not No, you're not going you are my primary care physician I'm gonna get right back on as soon as you you can at least to write I probably will but but that's what I'm saying Like you sure? Yeah, so at least to write I probably will but I'm actually but you nicotine or speed I don't know. I mean, I'm saying I'm kids and the fact that I've even kid I still I think both because I'll still have days I really struggle and I forget things and I lose things and I'll and I'll have this whole plan with my husband And then I'm like, oh this shit. This is the wrong day. Like I'm just like most people do that's normal Not to this extent. No, I bet it is. It's normal to be a little scatterbrained more than a little scatterbrained

I know but you're fine. So like if I was like If I was an ethical doctor. This is water, right? No, that's coffee. This is water right here. If I was in, that's actually important. There we go, great, great. See, I can't have coffee, that's too much.

200 milligrams a day is all you can have? I had like already an Americano today. If I was an ethical doctor and you came into my office and there was no financial incentive for me to prescribe medication to you, I'd say you're fine. What's wrong with you, Kat? You know, many people would like kill or take a medication to be in the state of mind that you're at all the time, like the way you can talk and how coherent you are and how articulate you are and fast paced. You're thinking is very quick. You don't need anything. Yeah, this

is all in your head, but you can't write bullshit that's not true it's just different because you're not high you're not speed it up fucking smashing keys you still can write it don't say like you don't need a medication because writing is complicated yeah right I'm not saying you shouldn't take it I'm not saying you shouldn't have the ability to as long as you're not fucking up your baby you know after all that breastfeeding stuff's done but but the point is like I don't I think this whole I need it stuff is nonsense Well, it's it's I've started to think that I'm at least might not go back to doing it every single day So I was doing I was every every every day truly except if I was in the hospital Wouldn't it be nice to be able to go on a vacation and not have to take speed?

Yeah, it sucks to take speed at the beach It's not fun to be I get how it's been good for you. Yeah, it's been good to you. Yeah, you've enjoyed you've reaped its benefits Yeah, but I don't think you need it I mean if for you to be here right now sober in the state you're at here as like sharp as like most people that I Talk to you're on the ball. Yeah, I mean it's but I but I'm scared You know I'm gonna be like what I mean better right, but that's crazy. Yeah, of course, but it's my people stay on heroin That's my whole life. I was at my first communion on

Like think about all the childhood, you know, maybe this baby will be an awesome reset for that. Maybe at the end of the nine months, you'll have a completely different perspective. You'll have been off of it so long, you realize like, wow, it's actually better. And I think about nicotine every day, I don't think about the medication every day. So I think I'll definitely go back to nicotine. Maybe I'll use it sometimes, maybe not every day. I'm definitely not. That's what you say next to your two fisted babies.

I know. You have the big lunchboxes It was great mixing the flavors What is in the oil? What is the best like let's find? I should probably call Adam and ask him but what is the best oil for vapes? That's not as bad for you I don't know how would we Google this? I don't remember How do we Google this? I don't remember it. How would we Google this? Is there a difference in the harm that certain vape chemicals can do and is there a healthy version? So there is and this is I know there's one that's really bad and that was when kids were getting their lungs exploded or whatever

Well, there's two kids died, right? So with that I did research on this. I spoke to somebody who for an article an article for National Review about this, who said that she would be surprised if that chemical was in the nicotine vapes at all because it's pretty much only necessary with THC and that it was only in like black market THC vapes basically. That's what I had heard too. Yeah. And there was two different people had gotten some really tainted

THC vapes and died. Yeah, which vaping THC in general is just like that's not that's you never it's so it's so that's my most Boomer opinion that I have is the weeds too strong So strong when people like hey you want to know cuz I don't know what's in that the vape is like who made that Yeah, who put that together Yeah, who's the chemist what bathtub does this get fucking cooked up in? You know at least if you're getting the actual cannabis plant. You know what it is It's strong or it's not strong you figure that out. You're gonna be fine. You're you're vaping you Where the fuck that's coming? No a few years ago. I was out with my friend

I hit his weed pen and I couldn't feel my legs. I was like, I mentally felt not high, which is like the opposite I was going. I mean, I wanted to feel my legs and I wanted to be high and I'm like, okay. I'm like, I don't know what to do. I'm like, you got, I have to leave. Yeah, and I couldn't feel my legs and then I got back to my apartment, and then I felt completely fine, and I'm like what? Yeah, and I'm like I have no idea what was in that and I've never ever ever hit a vape weed pen ever again And I don't think I will you don't want to be the person that winds up in the news Yeah, yeah, I thought you were gonna say you don't want to be the person that has to go home

Yeah, you know you don't want to be the person that winds up in the news because your legs stop working Cause you smoke some fucking gas station vape pen And I have to tell everyone that I smoked a fucking like well. Well, how'd you lose your legs? You know there's people in the amputation unit that's been to war or whatever I went to quickie Mart And yeah, I got a pen. I ripped a bootleg weed vape and I was trying to get high Is there any benefit to the kind of oils that they use in the homemade robots Googling it just brings up a bunch of websites that are trying to sell me stuff But what I gather from those is that they're all saying you want something that doesn't have nicotine in it, which is a little strange That's not that I that's what you want. Then you want to add

Pharmaceutical grade nicotine so that might be where the problems come in. Okay making Nicotine right or something like that. But what is that word? Dicetal? Dicetal-free? I saw that a few places. Dicetal? I don't know.

Dicetal. Am I saying that right? Vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol. Okay. Go back up again. Go back up again. Says the safest E juice ratio is one that has less propylene glycol.

If your vaporizer allows it, try to use 100% vegetable glycerin e-juice. I don't know if that's true. These are not from any great sources. When they're saying vegetable oil are we talking about like what kind of vegetables? What's in that? Is that seed oils? Yeah it's just everything says PG or VG mix and that's what that means is the vegetable glycerin. Right but what is that vegetable glycerin made out of is that made out of like canola oil like what is it made out of? I don't because I know someone was making it with mct oil and they were trying to tell me this is the safe version

Some dude with a robot and I love Oil in the vape if I found out healthy that I mean, I don't think it's totally healthy or I would be doing it I mean if I found out I was dying, I'd begin to vape immediately. Here it says VG is generally recognized as safe by the US Food and Drug Administration. But hold on a second, as VG is vegetable-based, there's a much lower toxicity than PG, so that's propylene glycol, or nicotine, so it's safe to use in e-liquids for vaping. Of course, though, like many things, there's a potential for allergic reaction. But what's it made out of? Vegetable glycerin. What is vegetable glycerin made out of? Google that.

I just want to know what they're using. Like, what plants? What vegetables? Clear odors sweetening liquid made from the vegetable oil such as palm, soy, or coconut. Okay, palm, terrible for you. Soy, soy terrible for you. Coconut not bad. Coconut's good for you. So it's like, depending upon what kind of oil you get, you're spraying the inside of your lungs with some shit that's generally not good for consumption. Like palm oil is supposed to be bad for consumption. Canola oil is bad for consumption. It causes inflammation. Vegetable glycerin is made by heating triglyceride-rich vegetable fats under pressure or with a strong alkali such as lye. That's the shit that they

used to get rid of bodies. Isn't that how you liquefy? Yeah, lye is nasty. It's like how people would straighten their hair out too. That stuff from yesterday, the castor and the, was it beaver sacks or something? Right, right, right. It's the flavoring and cigarettesaster uh-huh and the was a beaver sacks or something right right right it's a flavoring and cigarettes that was fine oh my god which cigarettes use it but Chris Harris was telling us that he drank this alcohol that they didn't tell him what was in it was a shot and inside the shot was essence of beaver and it turns out it's a secretion from the

beavers anal gland it was in his mouth for 10 days. He couldn't get the taste of it out of his mouth. But why do you drink that? He didn't know what it was. He was on that show Top Gear. And he's traveling in some other country. Look, this is one of the local things. And he drank this and it stayed in his mouth for 10 days.

There was like benefits, I get it. There's no benefits. But if there's a... It's a flavor that they add in liquor, apparently. Jesus. Cinnamon or vanilla hints. But we saw it with the vodka, right? They had beaver castor vodka.

So what is MCT oil in vapes? Google MCT oil in vapes. See if that's legit. Because this guy was trying to, which is essentially like coconut oils and stuff like that. Is it MCT medium chain triglycerides? Yes. So this thing says it's just trying to find any heating triglyceride rich vegetable fats.

Right. But see if someone does it if they're trying to promote it as a healthy alternative to normal vape oils, MCT oil in vapes. The very first thing that came up was from Weed Maps. It says, occasionally vaping MCT oil may or may not be harmful to the lungs Just just keep it on the vague side kids But I feel like also people who say that it's fun

I mean, they're probably really addicted to it, which I get because I've been there. I've been there It's it's the best if I know I was dying Aerosolized and inhaled MCT oil can be harmful to respiratory health and Michigan Michigan's banning them, but okay when you hear Michigan's banning them I go okay, but then another industry tell me right they're bad so they can sell their fucking bullshit oil vapes like there's so much Fuckery going on with all this stuff especially these unregulated things There's so much fuckery going on with all this stuff, especially these unregulated things. Yeah. Here it goes.

It can cause lipid pneumonia. Oh boy, that's not good. Oils. When heated and inhaled, oils can cause lipid pneumonia, a serious lung condition. Yeah, I knew a family in California and their kid got pneumonia. He was vaping every day and he wound up dying. He was like 19 years old. Yeah, apparently he was just vaping constantly. Six years ago it's the current

article to show that MCT oil combined with CBD has increased health benefits but yeah that's it's as even and I know it's very tough. It's so hard to know what's true and what's not true. Yeah. It's just so much fuckery. Yeah I have no idea yeah you have no idea. It's so hard to know. And I actually was a person who trusted in terms of like doctors more in terms of, then COVID happened and it's like, I don't know how you do. I know.

I don't know how you, I mean, I know it's was years, I'm still not over it. Well, there's just too many doctors that have a financial interest in following whatever the company line is. And with certain things they're not allowed to prescribe medications because those medications aren't as profitable as the ones that they're promoted to prescribe. I wanted to

bring this up, then she said since we don't know, I was gonna bring it up earlier while you're talking about it, this says that nicotine replacement therapy could be okay during pregnancy. Well it's safer, but it's safer than smoking. There's no way I'm ripping darts while I'm pregnant Okay, there's I think that's for people who are like gonna be ripping They're like listen if rather than the smoke and cigs have nicotine gum. That's such a dude thing to say cuz dudes Says it's fine and my husband still he still vapes so he still vapes and it's you know But I'm like, I'm you know, I can rub that in his face a little bit that I quit but it's definitely oh my friend Duncan

Here's a good story. My friend Duncan has diabetes. He has the kind you get it from diet He's a thin guy and I found out he was feeling like shit found out he has diabetes like wow This is fucking crazy. So cut sugar out of his life all the sudden diabetes goes away feels incredible It's like I can't believe how much energy I had. Oh my god, I was poisoning myself all day. And then, you know, he has this like glucose monitor thing. And the glucose monitor thing is kind of, his glucose is too high and he's trying to figure out what it is.

It's vaping. Because all those flavored vapes have sugar in them. So every time he's taking a vape off this gas station bullshit- He's got diabetes from vaping? He's probably got diabetes from vaping. Yeah. That's crazy. Sugar as well, but he's vaping all day. So he's pumping the sugar into a system and so he realized after he cut all the sugar out that he was still, his sugar levels would go crazy and it was because of vaping. So as soon as he stopped that, it went all normalized.

Well, sugar is crazy. Crazy. I've gotten into sugar a little bit, which sounds insane to say, but I never, like now that I'm pregnant, it's like what dopamine is there available for you? Not that much. So I'll get dessert. But I feel like I got a pumpkin spice Frappuccino last weekend. Okay. The smallest one available. It's 12 ounces. I drank this thing.

I immediately, I was like, we have to go home. I don't feel good. I laid on the couch and I slept for three hours. Right, if you're not used to it. That's a coffee? Mm-hmm. I know. I was so sick.

And I've gotten into, I was last night, I was like, should I get dessert? And he was like, well, every time you do and then you're really sick, so maybe. Have you seen the blizzard when that guy takes the blizzard from Dunkin Donuts? And he puts it next to a dough to show you how much so no it's that drink that frozen coffee drink Yeah, and that frozen coffee drink has so much sugar, and he puts like the clear cup next to it So you can see how much sugar it's a hundred and eighty three grams of sugar. Do you think there's right? There's a lot Yeah, it was yeah, I don't know it's bl blizzard that's what it is from Dairy Queen oh it's called it is it's like

what's the Dunkin Donuts one called some giant it's like a frozen pumpkin swirl thing it's videos on the screen okay this is it so this it says Dunkin Donuts doesn't say what the thing is but it's some kind of a sugary coffee type beverage. That's so gross. Sorry Dairy Queen for tainting the name of your wonderful blizzards. Which I'm sure has no sugar in it. That guy's showing you all the sugar that's in that thing. That's so insane to take that much sugar in a drink.

But people do it all the time. Look at that stack of sugar cubes. That is so bananas. That's 181. So it's 34 teaspoons or 51.5 cubes of sugar. Holy Jesus. It's a giant drink though too, yeah. Yeah, but it's also got ice in it. If you get rid of all that ice, how much of it is all sugar? It's like you're just drinking sugar and ice.

And you see people walking around with those. And I'm like, where are you going? To the hospital for diabetes. And you see people walking around with those and I'm like, where are you going? I couldn't be going anywhere after having so like are you drinking this? It's afternoon right now Well people get used to the sugar and then the sugar doesn't make them crash as much Yeah, cuz I don't do that. But if I do like if I have like a milkshake, I'll be like, oh Yeah, like it hits me because I don't eat it all the time Yeah, but some people eat it all day long and they just their body just gets accustomed to it. Just like alcohol alcoholics Yes, it's it's very similar. It's very similar. It's a real addiction sugar is a real addiction. Yeah, and it's everywhere It's in everything it's in so many different foods that it doesn't need to be in but it makes more addictive

I know and I think it's so interesting with all the things I'm advised to do like being pretty they don't really say like oh You shouldn't have a bunch. I'm sure that's bad. I'm sure I'm sure it's terrible to have a bunch of Eating healthy food really healthy essential fatty acids eating lots of salmon Things on those lines, but yeah, they don't nobody cares about that nobody talks to you about sugar No, they don't they're like don't have sushi don't have right turkey don't have oh by the way That's a problem. Yeah, the cat the cat you have I had him tested for toxoplasmosis. He doesn't have it Oh, that's what I was I was so like I mean I thought for sure if he had it I would have it because he sleeps under my chin every night. Oh, yeah, but I actually we also have a very expensive litter box

We have a robe with the cleat. Oh, it's called though No, it's called the litter robot. I've seen those Do you know that it not only self cleans it sends data to my phone in real time? So every time he uses the litter box I get an alert on my phone letting me know how much he weighs Yeah, so I used to have to weigh him myself to monitor because basically if he gets overweight he gets diabetes. He's going down He has cardiomyopathy he has which is a heart thing. How's your husband? I'll be sneaking I'll be giving that cat ice cream. I know he's so patient. I'm like, I don't know how he's like He's like the cats not even a nice cat. I'm like, I know but you know, know yes herpes to the cat. Oh boy which I was really good

It's a it's a respiratory thing in cats And because the first time he was I was confused at first to you I called it either vet called me told me I was like, but he's a virgin And they were like, okay It's it's like they pick it up as kittens and it's causes them to get a cold that comes and goes So we take some medication called a viralis He takes that one also how often did you take that every day mix into his food? He has a probiotic mix into his food if you didn't give it to them what would happen every now and then you get a blister

No, it's not it's mesh respiratory. He sneezes and coughs how bad enough where it was like on the pillow in the morning like gross Gross it was just I was like oh Just herpes. Get on the pills you fucking. But then he also, he takes steroids every day too. Oh boy. And a heart medication. Oh boy.

I know. That's a lot. I know. Listen, but I will do, I would keep him on, the thing is if I, if you could do a ventilator, like I would. Would you clone him? The thing is, no, because he sucks. You know what I mean? Like but what do you suck if you had him from a baby? I

Don't know maybe wouldn't suck maybe wouldn't suck if you had him as a kid if he didn't have all the trauma Yeah, I guarantee you that's there's a switch that goes in those feral cats that never really shuts off. No, it's weird. It's a weird switch Because like it exists in certain animals. Like there's when they go feral, they just never come back. There's just a giant difference between like domesticated certain certain domesticated animals and feral cats are the best example because feral cats are so different. domesticated cats are wonderful. Like can you do the buddy look at their head up? Yeah, not they sit in your lap, they touch your legs and go up like this up and down with their little claws.

It's cute. He'll do that, but then he'll just bite ya. Like, he'll decide to like, cut them off. Like I said, I had a feral cat, he used to do that too. But the difference between that and an actual cat in the wild is profound. Like, they know no one's looking out for them,

and that switch has already gone off. They're not being taken care of. But if you took care of them from the time he was a baby, it'd be interesting. Maybe he maybe be a good cat maybe I don't know I would be willing to do that to clone them or would you think some pet cemetery shit would go down oh no not that I think it just be so hard because what I love about him is they call this the shit we went through you know right he was with me through everything and you know from you know

just going through all that shit in LA and then he lived with me in DC Which is a horrible place and then you know New York and everything so He's like symbolic. It's the time in my life. I dedicated my first book to him him and Joan Rivers It was him and Joan Rivers neither of whom can read this that's why I dedicated Joan Rivers has my favorite my favorite conspiracy theory the real kooks Believe that they took out Joan Rivers when she said Michelle Obama. Yes. Yes that conspiracy People like look at this video. Look at this video. She says this and then what happens? So funny those those fucking the really loony conspiracy people. Oh, they're hilarious They're so there's so much entertainment and that that's one of my favorite ones. Oh they're hilarious. There's so much entertainment in that. That's one of my favorite ones.

Oh that's Joan Rivers. She was 80 years old and she's been getting plastic surgery. Yes, plastic surgery, I know. For like the 80th time. Like that shit is so bad for you. I know. Getting put under is so bad for you. I know. And when you're 80 it's so dangerous. But it's probably addictive to get all that shit done. 100%. I mean I've not had plastic surgery but when I get old I might want to. Like I might want to get like a facelift. Well I think in the future you won't have to do that I think they'll have an ability to regenerate skin tissue and make your skin much healthier. There's there for sure they're already doing these things where they microneedle your face and cover your face with exosomes. I've done that. That I've done. That has a significant

impact. Red light therapy has a significant impact in your skin elasticity and your collagen. But I think in the future they're gonna be able to regenerate tissue and I think they're pretty close to that. I don't think you're gonna need to get your fucking lizard face up. I mean, I'll do it though.

What creeps me out though, when women get a mouth that's too big, they get Joker face because their fucking face is being pulled sideways. So they're fucking faces being pulled Yeah, so they have a smile and they always show some gum. I know I think it's addictive I think you get like a little bit more and a little bit more and you don't realize how crazy you start to look Well, it's for sure body dysmorphia. Yeah, you know It's the same as people who have anorexia the same as people or bodybuilders who think they're tiny. It's all people have

the same as people who are bodybuilders who think they're tiny. People have a propensity to develop, at least certain people do, this kind of disease where you don't see yourself as other people see you. Right. And it can get real weird if you start doing stuff to your face. Yeah. Like we played a video compilation of these two brothers. I don't know what they do. They're famous for some reason, but super handsome when they're young.

Like handsome, good looking, like model, looked like model. And as they got older, they started shooting shit in their face, and then they became like Pinwheel from Saw. The whole thing is like super bizarre. And if you see the madness take place, like over the years, like here, so this is what they look like. Yeah, this is what they look like now. But let me show you what they used to look like

when they were young. Why do they, yeah, that's,'s ah they're just good-looking guys see if you can find a video of the guy over the years because the video over the years is wild because you get to see his face moving you know and you see him and you go oh it's like a good-looking guy like good-looking normal guy yeah so This is this is them when they're already fucked up, right? This is that when they're younger look go back to that real quick look at that They're good-looking good-looking very good-looking very genetic lottery type shit like model type. Yeah, they're great-looking guy and now look at them They look insane. Yeah, instead of just looking like an old like Kevin Costner. Just an older handsome man You know it's also like so I like you know and I'm very proud of having been on TV for 10 years I have my original lips. I have my original teeth

Which is like a big deal people get like the big there's a lot of bad veneers going around like a lot of really bad It's probably a lot of good ones though of course I like so my mom died it'll be 10 years in November I like that I kind of look like her if I fucked up my face too much I probably won't look like her anymore like I like to look like myself. Yeah, that's good thing and but I I Don't know. I mean you always think usually maybe a little bit and people go more and more and more I mean, maybe when I I don't like it's a dangerous road and when actresses do it that it fucks up their career I think it does well

It does for like some because they go away because they don't look like the same person exactly like the girl from dirty dancing I've never seen dirty dancing what I've never seen any movies the only movies I've ever seen is I watch happy Gilmore over and over again you don't see any movies other than happy Gilmore so I've seen Billy Madison how much Adderall were you doing? Were you watching Happy Gilmore? No, I've seen, I just, movies are long. Okay. So I don't, I mean, but I've seen... So she got her nose fixed. This is like her older, but when she was younger she had this very prominent nose and then she got it fixed and like she was unrecognizable. It's cool to look different from everybody else in some way.

Yeah, but the problem is when everybody knows you as the person who looks like that, like Barbra Streisand. If Barbra Streisand got a nose job, it would be crazy. What are you doing? You're not Barbra Streisand anymore. We love the old you. That's what we like. We don't want you doing that. That's nuts.

You're changing the shape of your nose, and it's really obvious. Yeah, yeah, I do recognize her, but. It's crazy when dudes do it like politician dudes Yeah, they got that frozen gates The eyebrows are up and his foreheads that movie really real housewives Yeah, like hey, bro. Yeah, you just look different three weeks ago. Yeah that yeah, you should do that

Yeah, I don't know who to who why you scared of a brow movement when you're a man Especially as a man that's I don't get why men do it at all because men are allowed to get old men are allowed You know with women it's a little it makes a little more sense Men it's like if you are 80 you look you can have a girlfriend who's 30 it happens all the time, right? But women not so much. People cheer it on. People are like yeah bro. Yeah Yeah, it's like when you see Rupert Murdoch with whatever his latest wife is Everybody does it! Everybody does it!

Everybody who's older, it's very common. You don't even have to be that rich. There's a lot of those old rich guys though that are like, bomber wise. Of course! Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy to watch. That's why I say my husband's only two years older than me, that's actually I think I'm technically like ten years older, right? If you take society into account, he's actually like I'm a cougar, right? Yeah for going for a guy That's only two years older than me crazy. Mm-hmm. I know it's like did in general Especially like with old rich guys like none of them are marrying anybody their age. No, I told him like babe

I'm like you're in finance Your wife's not even born yet But he said to me he said that he usually gets bored in relationships, but with me he prays for it He's like i'm never bored. He's like he's like I wake up every day. I never know who i'm gonna get Oh, that's hilarious. Are you more or less stable off the amphetamines? I less less less stable or I'm also pregnant, right? So I'll be doing shit. I don't know if it's a for example He'll say something to me, but I'm very self-aware, which is good. I think I'm very sure I think so Okay, I think so. I've had a lot of therapy which I think is helpful like when I've needed it I don't know go all the time, but I'll be, he asked me recently

if I could pick some things up around, like this is your stuff, so I was like, I'll just leave, if you want me to just leave. And I'm like, oh my God, sorry, that was a bit of an overreaction. But I don't know if that's because I'm not medicated or because I'm pregnant. It's probably a little bit of both.

You know? I mean, certainly there's something going on inside your body that's significant, and then on top of that, you're off speed. Yeah. That's why it'd be interesting for you to wait a little while think I'm going to yeah, which I never thought I would You probably should you might like yourself more after nine months Yeah, cuz right now you're still in the hell of it. It is how many months it's been since you stopped So whenever I found out I was pregnant at the end of May. Okay, so just a couple of months. Yeah Yeah, June July. Oh and we're in September now. Okay. Okay, so just a couple of months. Yeah. Yeah, June, July, oh, and we're in September now.

Okay. Yeah. So three months. Yeah. So this is like a new thing. You know, your body's probably still equalizing, you know, normalizing, getting down to the regular levels. Totally.

And it's weird, when I see myself in the mirror, I still like do a jump scare, because I'm like that, who's that? Because I was so skinny before. I was really skinny before. Now I have like a belly, because I'm supposed to, right? Right. was so skinny before I was really skinny before now I have like a belly cuz I'm supposed to write but I do a jump scare a little bit really yeah But I'm going back out. I mean I'm going back back out on tour when the book comes out So I'm gonna be super pregnant super pregnant five days a week on gut felt two days a week on the road Wow

So that's gonna be a lot. Are you worried about that like becoming exhausted and that that would have a detrimental effect I'm worried about being exhausted, but I'm not worried about having a detrimental effect. I mean Because I'm just gonna do it and I love it. I love being on stage. I love doing what I do Well, as long as you get enough sleep. Yeah Mm-hmm, but it's gonna be tough at the end. It's gonna be gonna do it all the way to the end Yeah, I'm doing it all the way until I can't fly anymore So the middle of December Wow but I You know, it's my husband says he's gonna come with me his his joke

He has like a couple joke is like five jokes and one of them is he's like I'm gonna come so she is someone to Yo, that's his bit. He has a few jokes using the military. What else does he say? He loves he loves and people ask him if he's ever been hunting cuz he gets to say just people Yeah, another one like that one. Yeah, he likes that one trying to think him if he's ever been hunting, because then he gets to say, just people. It's another one. Yeah, people like that one. Yeah, he likes that one, trying to think what else. He's got like a five solid bits that he does, but you know. It's crazy that you're gonna do it all the way up

until nine months. That seems, why not just like stop doing it at like six? Because I, because I'm a person of extremes. I'm always like, I wanna take it to the limit every single time. And I also- Even while you're pregnant? Like what if you give birth prematurely when you're on the road? I don't think I will.

Oh, well you've had a lot of experience having babies. I don't, but they said, so they said I shouldn't fly past 34 weeks. So that would be December 28th-ish. And my last show is I think December 15th. So I'm just listening to what they're telling me. That's good. But, and I also, I think it's gonna be, I really like the, I'm really passionate about the subject matter, you know?

I love doing the shows, and it's, why wouldn't I do it, other than, you know, what you just mentioned? It's funny that people would instantly want to label you as a right-wing person because you're on Fox. And then also, it's funny that just people do that anymore. Whatever they did when they first created Fox, because Fox was essentially the first real opinion-based news

source that was very right-wing, that was on television. And then that gave the rise to, or at least gave some of the motivation to places like CNN to develop these editorial based shows and opinion based perspectives. They really annoyed and polarized so many people. And it used to be that there were certain stations that would have objective news and you would get objective news and you would have right wing people giving their perspective and left-wing people. Look Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley debated live on television multiple times in a row

and it was like one of the biggest events on TV at the time. Like people were allowed to have differing opinions and they'd be on a show and we would let them talk things through. And even then I'm sure it was polarized. It's always going to be. People are always going to be tribal. But today it's so much more ridiculous than at any time I could ever remember in my life. Well I think that one of the biggest problems with today is not just that there's a lack of independent thinking, but that people have difficulty even perceiving it

when it happens. So if I say something that is critical of Kamala, then people are like, oh, she's MAGA She's super MAGA or if you say something critical of Trump then it's like oh You're a communist and you're gonna go for it and they don't even perceive that Hey Maybe someone could be this other thing or they just kind of don't fall into either camp and I get that people yeah I mean you just have a point and yes listen to what the point is But it's in the parties don't mean anything in a lot of sense it like I've been at Fox for almost ten years And I get that people, yeah, because people do- But maybe you just have a point. And just listen to what the point is. But it's, and the parties don't mean anything in a lot of sense.

I've been at Fox for almost 10 years now. So I used to get shit on for, I'm super anti-war. I'm an anti-war person. I think, you know, it's a lot of, not I think, we know they lie to us about a lot of these things and then we know that people get promoted and they get rich, who work, and they move on from working as generals to working in weapons companies, et cetera.

We know all this stuff. But that used to be something that the left would agree with me on, and the right would yell at me about, and then it was Trump was becoming anti-war with Ukraine, and then it was reversed. Then I was like, I'm a Trump puppet for thinking and saying the things that I've always thought.

So it's just, people, it's it's it people even notice that though, right? They don't even notice it as it's happening because they're really just committed to their tribe exactly. Mm-hmm It's these bloom no matter who people are red till dead people That's then you can trick them into this is one of the reasons why like if I was the grand manipulator of the world if I Really believe there's one cabal of super geniuses that's running everything I would try to see if I could do that yeah I would say let's see if we can get the left to support like censorship pro-war yeah invasive politics like entering into people's homes and classrooms and and you know siphoning up their information

in order to protect trans kids in fucking Detroit, or whatever it is, come up with some fucking reason and make everybody get a part of a centralized digital currency, because that's better for everybody. Put everybody on an app so we know if you're vaccinated. That's the left! That's the left, yeah, exactly. If I wanted to show that people are so easily manipulated

that there is no left, there is no right, it's mostly nonsense. It's mostly people just apply, they're just subscribing to a predetermined pattern of beliefs and behaviors that they think is good and makes them a part of the tribe. It's exactly what it is. Yeah. It's exactly what it is and it, because when people say, oh you moderate, they sound like moderate according to what? What are these two pillars that have been set up? They're not, it's not real. Right. And it's always changing. And it's always changing.

And it goes so far to the left and so far to the right that what used to be crazy is now normalized. Like hormone blockers for kids. Like being able to take away parents' rights because the child wants to transition and they want to be able to do it without the parents without the parents say so. That to me is... And they're 13, 14 years old. So...

Fucking crazy. The stuff with the schools is crazy to me because it shouldn't matter what it's about. But there was never been a time in history we would have accepted that. No. To say that you can't tell the parents what's going on with the kids at school is to say that the state has more ownership over your kids than you do. That's some creepy communist shit. And it's not just creepy communist shit but it's prescribed. It's like this is what you're supposed to believe in if you want to be a part of the progressive

left. Yeah and then but then of course the right takes it too far being like drag no drag queens you know. You should definitely be allowed to be a drag queen but I don't know if you should have drag queens story hour for five-year-olds when there's no parents around. And also when the kids can't read or do math is my thing. I think that all this stuff, it's also very I've noticed it became more of an argument after covid. I think there's a lot of distraction from hey, these kids lost a lot because I think it's so crazy how it's this radical idea to say the department of, when Trump said I'd get rid of the Department of Education, people go, he hates kids. It's like, okay, well, look what they did and look what they're continuing to do. I mean, kids are not-

Well, look at the results. Yeah, exactly. Look at the results in this country. The academic results are terrible. There was no school for two years some places. Getting rid of a department or disbanding a department doesn't mean you don't fund that thing anymore, but it probably would be better if there was something more competitive. Exactly.

Because if you just give it, just like we were talking about the homeless problem in California, if you just give it to an organization, an institution, it's a government funded institution, has no obligation to be profitable, has no obligation to be effective. And you just say, we are spending a lot of money on the homeless problem. And what you've really done is just employ a bunch of people and they've done very little. No, well they've done a lot in terms of probably

their own incentives and their own power and their own. You can apply that to basically infrastructure, education, everything. It's just the same kind of thing. It's like, I'm not this person that says the free market will figure out everything. It's just the same kind of thing. It's like I'm not this person that says the free market will figure out everything, but in a lot of cases you'd be better off with some competition. So you'd force people to be more effective. You'd force results. You would have to, you would force people to

be accountable for whatever decisions they've made and what the results of those decisions are. There's no accountability. Right, there's no accountability and that's a real problem in this country. And that used to be something that the left feared. The left used to fear corporate interference and big business and big government. They used to fear that. They used to fear all that stuff. And now they're all in on it.

It's so weird. Yeah. And for me, I'm a huge, I mean first amendment is so important right? That's if you don't have that you don't have anything well. You don't have a job. Yeah without it right? I don't either no of course I go to typey I would be in jail a long time ago think about what they're putting people in jail for in England It's posting things on Facebook But I get shit from both sides for depending on what I'm defending in terms of the constitute something being constitutional

I mean with obviously with the left it's like What also drew what was crazy to me is people a lot of the same people were the Trump is Hitler people We're also the hate speech laws people which is like how can you think this government that's led by Hitler? Should be in control of what you can and can't say it doesn't make sense to me. But sometimes I also Flag burning has to be constitutional. Because you have to be able to like buy a flag and if you can't burn a flag you bought, like come on, like that's government protest. You have to be able to do that.

I don't like it. I would never do it. But you shouldn't put people in jail for it. Yeah, Trump said he wants to put people in jail for a year. Yeah, and I was like, oh dude. It's like, you know what I mean? Like he got shot. He looked awesome when he got shot. I mean, really, I mean, if I got shot, oh dude, it's like, you know what I mean? Like he got shot, he looked awesome when he got shot.

I mean, really, I mean, if I got shot, I would not look that cool. Right. Fist pumping. Fight, fight, fight. No, no, I'd be like, ahh. Pretty gangster. Yeah, it was amazing. When he got shot, I was like, oh, he won. I really thought after he got shot. I was like, he just won the election.

Well, I think they did too. That's why they shuffled Biden out and put Kamala in. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, and they're like, let's just gaslight these motherfuckers into a coma and push this through. Yeah, I think so, too I think so too because 100% if they had a full year of Kamala versus Trump like a full year of her running and doing interviews who'd have a much more talking Yeah, we'd have a much more balanced understanding of who she is and how this is gonna look and what's gonna be like if she becomes President absolutely right now people are just riding on gas

Yes They're fucking riding on gas, but it's so powerful the and you can see it that everybody's in honor That's really powerful people are excited about Alexa Alexa's in honor that Alexa things crazy pop culture. You, everyone's in on it. And it's also, I hate election years, because it's just like, if you don't vote for blank, this whole country is gonna go down. Like, both sides say it. So it's just like, it's no, whoever wins,

it's gonna be shitty in just in different ways, and maybe some of the same ways. It's just not. What do you different ways and maybe some of the same ways. It's just not What do you think would be the shittiest? Like not in terms of for the country, but in terms of people's reaction Do you think more violence will take place if Trump gets an office or more violence would take place if Kamala gets an office? Because I anticipate there's gonna be some craziness after the election Of course once someone decides whoever someone is whoever's, whenever it gets decided, there's gonna be some madness. Yeah. You're gonna be some real madness. And I get scared of that kind of stuff too

because I know that a lot of times when people do that they think they're they're making a point, but boy, if you're against government control, those kind of like real angry riots and protests are an amazing opportunity for them to clamp down on your rights. Yes Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely when that happens. It's like, okay. Well, then we need to cry Federalized police and this and that it's like it's crazy I really do I am concerned about it for the same reasons for the absolutely and it's gonna be bad No matter what in terms of the reaction of the other side I mean people I'm not looking forward to it I'm

like I can't wait for this election to be over and then I'm like oh it's gonna be even worse probably well I mean especially if if you believe the conspiracy theories that some of that stuff is funded like some of that stuff is organized some protests and riots they seem to be organized right and I'm not gonna be a conspiracy theorist, but there is a thing called an agent provocateur. It's always existed. And they send people in to disrupt protests

and turn them violent and make things chaotic. That's always been the case, especially if they want to push a very specific agenda, that the people are fed up and they're angry. And so, remember when the George Floyd riots were going on yeah they'd find pallets of bricks just laying around yeah well that was crazy because anybody ever some people had like reasons for certain bricks being in places yeah but there was a few of them where they're like people just said that they just got dropped off there and

that's exactly where everything popped off like what why are there pallets of bricks there's never just pallets of bricks laying around. Yeah. No, I have no idea. I have no idea. But if you were going to organize a riot, wouldn't you just leave some bricks? I'd break some bricks. I'd leave some bricks. For my riot, yeah. If I was like, look, this is what we're going to do. We're organizing, we're spending all

this money to get these college kids to invest in this. Then we're going to bring in Antifa and they're going to go crazy and we're handing out masks, and then we're gonna leave bricks around. And I also think it's sad, because I think that there were definitely legitimate points to be made, and are about criminal justice, I think. But boy was that handled, I mean, so they go from that to people,

to people setting buildings on fire, and then CNN doing the mostly fiery, but mostly peaceful with the famous. It's like, come on, you don't gotta defend that. People, you look ridiculous. But then it got completely bungled. And so in the name of criminal justice reform, now it's like people who are actual violent criminals

can be allowed out easier. Nobody wanted that. So then now the pendulum's going to swing in the other direction where, you know, it's going to be even more law and order and it's going to be, like you said, it's going to be rights at stake, civil liberties at stake, which is what this was supposed to be all about to begin with. Well, this is the ultimate goal of, I mean, again, I'm not saying this is happening, but this would be the ultimate goal of a communist dictatorship I'm not saying this is happening, but this would be the ultimate

goal of a communist dictatorship. You cause chaos, you step in to stop the chaos, you install new rules to make sure that there's no more chaos anymore, you cause a problem, you bring up a solution, that solution allows you to gain more control, and you just keep doing it. You keep doing it until you have ultimate control over the people. Yeah, and I'm not saying it's happening either, but in general, in general, the fear is used by the government a lot. It's really, I mean, even going back to talking about war and national security, and we need to do this next thing you know, I mean, look at the Patriot Act. I mean, people

were like, you have to be able to to protect you doing this, banning TikTok, all all these things and you look into what they're really doing in the power that it would really give them It's like oh, this isn't about really just banning take talk What did Kamala Harris say recently about Elon Musk and Twitter having to follow the same rules as Facebook? Yeah, what did she say? Yeah, what did I don't know? I didn't hear what she said It was something something about how Elon's gonna have to follow the same rules That's so first of all what rules yeah, yeah, and also Didn't Mark Zuckerberg just come out with a statement Saying that he regretted giving in to the government's request to take down COVID-19 information.

Yeah. And yeah, and then the laptop story. He just came out with like, it was a big statement. Yeah. Because for a lot of people, they were really furious about it. Claim, a video clip portrays Harris saying that she will shut down X. I don't think she said she would shut it down. If she wins the 2024 Pleasure Olympics and then Musk has lost his privileges,

the fact that's false harris was referring to trump long before musk and twitter rebranded it as x um so is that what she was saying from that video so was the video her saying that why should trump uh why should twitter be allowed to have trump on if facebook can't have him on is that what it is Twitter be allowed to have Trump on if Facebook can't have him on is that what it is? When I'm looking for the video I'm seeing is like 20 within the last 24 hours post a claim is false Right, but that is not what we were talking about though. We were talking about something slightly different Let me see if I could find it for you. She was shut down X No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that she said she would shut it down

What I'm saying is that she was saying that why should Twitter not have to follow the same rules that are being followed by Facebook. Right. What I typed in was Kamala Harris Twitter rules. So that's the videos that were popping up. Here, I'm sending it to you right now, Jamie. This is what I'm looking for. Okay. So I need to know what she's referring here but like listen to this statement yeah I think this is from that gun play let's see what it says so she's probably talking about Trump being on Twitter is

that what it is so she was talking to Jake Tapper so right you can't say that you have one rule for Facebook and you have a different rule for Twitter the same rule has to apply which is that there has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power. They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation. And that has to stop. Okay, right away. There's no way to misconstrue that.

What does that mean? Oversight and regulation for free speech is ridiculous. Yeah, exactly. Just that alone, there's no way to misconstrue that, right? What she was saying is what I was thinking she was saying. She was saying she wants government oversight and regulation for social media. That's crazy. It's crazy for anyone to want it because if the only reason you want it, right, is

because you agree with the ideological bent of the platform, wait until someone else is in charge of it or wait until there's a different government in charge. It's also saying that the very thing that Mark Zuckerberg regrets should be happening. Like she's essentially saying why should they have different rules for Facebook than they do for Twitter. Like what rules? regrets should be happening. She's essentially saying why should they have different rules for Facebook than they do for Twitter? What rules? What rules?

We don't have rules. We have First Amendment rights of free speech. I think it actually is even crazy that he's admitting that. Good for him, absolutely. Trump said something pretty scary for him. He said that if he finds out that he interfered with the election, he's gonna be in jail for the rest of his life.

That's pretty scary. That's pretty fucking scary because it's very likely that he might wind up being the president. And if he winds up being the president, they start investigating this stuff. If I was Mark Zuckerberg, I'd be pretty fucking freaked out by that statement because it is election interference. For sure, whoever was running Twitter who gave in to the FBI's request to take down the 100 Biden laptop story, they definitely interfered with the way people voted. Because if people found out that that laptop was legitimate and all that stuff was true, there's a certain percentage, I don't know what the number is, but there's a certain

percentage of people that were maybe on the fence and that could have influenced their vote one way or another. And it could have given Trump fuel Because he could have been talking about it see I told you that this was real and they've been lying and it would also Prove that Biden lied during the debates. I Don't understand how anybody didn't think it was real though because hunter never even denied He was there when all those people signed that letter all those intelligent people and former intelligence 51 signed it guess who didn't sign it? Hunter Biden.

Right? That's what I thought from the, I was like, okay, if that was me and someone was saying there was a laptop going around of me, you know, doing all this shit, banging all these people on camera and smoking all these drugs, I'd be like, that, I would be like, that was like that was not me I would be like you know that'd be pretty important for me to come out and say that if it happened today you could claim it was AI yeah easy well that's out there with everybody me included sadly forever forever yeah and not only that it's gonna change and get way more complex and there's nothing you can do about it because you knock it down it's like

whack-a-mole it's like then there's another one then there's another one there's nothing to do about that but because you knock it down. It's like whack-a-mole It's like then there's another one. Then there's another one There's nothing you do about that But that you know with all this stuff this talk like that whatever she was saying right there is not what you want to hear From so no you don't you don't want to hear they're gonna censor social media talking specifically about Senator Warren talking about banning President Trump's account and that was her response to it Yeah, but she was also talking about oversight. She talked about oversight very specifically and clearly. Yeah, it has the quote right here Yeah, and what's the rule that she's talking about the same rule should apply which there has to be a Responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power

they are directly speaking to millions of millions of people without any level of oversight or Regulation and that has to stop that's all you need to hear like that right there speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation and that has to stop. That's all you need to hear. Like that right there is not something you want to hear from someone who respects the First Amendment. That's not how it's supposed to be. Also, who's they?

It's just a collection of people. Not only that, if you're talking about oversight and regulation, are you talking about the exact same people that were trying to get Twitter and successfully did get Twitter to take down the Biden laptop story and make it impossible to share that video saying that it was misinformation when it was not? And if you don't do anything to correct and to hold people responsible that pushed out that misinformation and no one's punished for it and there's no retribution, there's no repercussions at all. Like, what are you saying then? Then what are you saying? It's okay if your side says things that aren't true

and you can regulate in a way that's not based on fact or reality, but based on a result that you wanna take place and that's fine, so we don't have freedom of speech. No, of course not. Then you're talking nonsense, this is talking crazy talk. Maybe she believed it was real back then. Maybe she believed it This is talking crazy talk. Maybe she believed it was real back then. Maybe she believed it was real. Who knows?

Maybe she believed it was important. But if you got ahold of the Twitter files and you see what Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi and all those people that went through that stuff with the fine-tooth comb, the stuff that they found out should make you realize like, no, you can't have the government tell you what you can and can't say. They don't always tell the truth. They're often influenced. Sometimes you have rogue actors.

You probably have one or two people that's responsible for making the call to Facebook or to Twitter. So it's on them. It's on these people with whatever fucking influence that they have and whatever people are talking to them behind the scenes. We can't have that, kids. It's bad for everybody.

Yeah. And just the idea that there's certain information that's misinformation is just the government sanction information. Yeah, but they can't even let you debate it. They want you to stop it. As soon as they want you to stop it, the only solution to bad information is good information. That's how it's supposed to be. If they want to stop you from saying something and then it turns out that what you were saying

was true. No one should trust them ever again. There should be some sort of a comeuppance and there's no comeuppance. There's no discussion of it. It's never talked about. It's just plowed on through and we move on to the next thing with no acknowledgement at all that you guys fucking bullshitted us and lied to us for years. And now you want to control social media to stop lies and the lab leak theory is one that really I mean people

Yeah careers were destroyed over being like maybe this virus came from this lab full of viruses where it was found right outside And they were like you fucking crazy ass you should but it was only because certain information was seen as Acceptable and sanctioned and certain information was seen as not it What's way creepier than that? Of course, it's actually suppressing it. Yeah, I get it There's a business behind it and they use their money and their influence and their control the media to fuck you You got bullshitted you got bullshitted by business and business they got together with media and they all had a plan What are you playing Jamie? What are you watching over there?

More bullshit, it's just there's so much bullshit, but also less bullshit If you think about overall because there's way more truth now, right? Like you get way more independent journalism than we've ever had Yeah access to in the history of the human race and you get way more independent journalism than we've ever had access to in the history of the human race. And you get so much of it. So you get all this media propaganda and mainstream bullshit. But on top of that, you get a lot of Jimmy Doors.

You get a lot of independent people that are telling the truth. You get the Glenn Greenwalds. You get the Matt Taibes. You get all these people that are just telling you, Michael Schellenbergers, telling Barry Wise, telling you what the fuck is actually going on And not attached to some large corporation Yeah, but it's also saying the government is the only one that's allowed to be wrong Right because if what they say is misinformation turns out to be true as was so many things. That's okay

All right, but it's not just wrong you were lying of course of course like Fauci being like oh we made up six feet Like yeah, we didn't really know it's just were lying. Of course, of course. Like Fauci being like, oh, we made up six feet. Like, oh, we didn't really know. It's just actively lying. Yes, absolutely. There's a difference between being wrong about something and just lying and then getting truth removed, and shaming doctors from Stanford and Harvard and making them out to be kooks.

Some of the people that were the top of their field, and they had dissenting opinions because they're experts. and they're watching this bullshit go down by bureaucrats and they're like, you motherfuckers. And people say, just stay home. That drove me nuts. I feel like, how can you say that when you're still at work? When you're still at work, right? I mean, I was lucky to still have my job, and people had to shut down.

Even New York's not the same anymore as it used to be, because a lot of these businesses closed down forever. What made New York so special was a lot of those small businesses, restaurants, things like that. They can't afford to be open and just not have customers for that long. So now a lot of that's like Dunkin' Donuts. Are you seeing the difference in New York with the spike of immigrants? I haven't really seen. I don't go outside that much Statistic about the percentage of violent crimes robberies and assaults that were created by Migrants illegal immigrants that are in New York right now. Yeah, I'm not familiar with that I mean, I also truly don't go any like I go to work in my apartment That's pretty much I was gonna read the article, but I saved it See if you can find it though

Because I thought it'd be an interesting thing to talk about like at what point in time like I know that Eric Adams the the mayor is like stop coming here go somewhere else and Kathy Holtz was like get out of here go somewhere else But you still have a sanctuary city and you still are paying them to stay there That's the thing that gets me is I'm somebody if are nonviolent and you want to come contribute to our economy, then I think you should be welcome to do so. Here it is. But the incentives where you're paying for things. Here it is, immigrants.

It's on New York Post. Migrants flooding New York City's justice system, making up 75% of arrests in Midtown as pathetic sanctuary city laws handcuff cops. Yeah. I saw this thing where someone was complaining to these cops about someone doing something illegal and they said we can't arrest them because this is a sanctuary city and they're migrants. So like they're just do wild it was somewhere in Colorado. So like you could just do wild things and no one could do anything because

you're in a sanctuary city. And I think it's terrible. I think it should be very simple. I think that if you want to come contribute to the economy and you're nonviolent, you should be free to do so. I don't think we should be paying people, I mean, to come over to the cities. What do you think they're doing? Yeah, that's what they're doing. What do you think they're doing, though? Why do you think they're doing it this way? I mean, there's many explanations. There's a bunch of conspiracies, and then there's also the idea of people not wanting to be called xenophobic.

Yeah, but if you not want to be called xenophobic doesn't mean you have an open border. The idea of just completely abandoning any idea of security concerns. Yeah, I think it could be more... it's sad because there are people who want to come here and work and should be able to and have problems that can't come here, but then there's people who just it's not even the problem you don't even blame the come here you get a free this you get free that free place to stay why wouldn't these people all come right do you think they're bringing them in here to buy votes though I don't I'm not the most

interesting one I'm not convinced by that well Nancy Pelosi was on Bill Maher and she was talking about providing a path for them to all be citizens and that's what she wants to do make them documented document them. I know a lot of people from these countries conservative though. Well it depends on which countries from Cuba for sure. There's definitely people who are also conservative. But the thing is most people look out for the best interest and you can buy them. I mean if you're the party that let them through and gave them money and allowed them to establish a

foothold in America, and now their family's here and they're doing much better, well, you would definitely vote Democrat because they're the people that hooked you up. That just seems like a natural human incentive without even having to bribe them to do it. If you're giving them loans and helping them get houses and making it so they can vote and giving them a clear path to citizenship. That seems like if I came here from Guatemala and I didn't know a lot about our political system, the people that hooked me up, I'd stick with them. So you probably are going to get a higher percentage of those people that if you could ever do this and create a path with these people who are illegal immigrants and get

entered into the country illegally can get a quick path to you would have a lot more voters a lot you know a lot I mean it doesn't see it sounds crazy to say but it doesn't seem crazy to try if you're trying to figure out a way that you can win and win in the future like almost every time wouldn't you like just bring in voters I mean I I've heard I've obviously heard the argument before I'm not so I'm just not I'm not super convinced by it. I think that there's a many other things that play into it, but in general my problem is with the extremely large welfare state in general and where the money goes and how bad the government is at spending money. Yeah. I mean because it's also, same thing as

California's in New York. I mean there's so much money spent, was it in Bloomberg, or excuse me, Diplasia's wife that was in charge of the homeless mental health initiative. You know what they're missing, a bunch of money. It's like, I'm sitting there, I used to live in Hudson Yards, and my husband and I are sitting,

we've since moved, but we're sitting there, we're looking down in the park watching some dude get a blow job from some crackhead blowing someone else. And it's like, I feel like there's a lot still going on here with this mental, where's my money all going in general? And I feel like with immigration, I think also the two sides, there's a lot of incentives that people get from politically.

Think about the dreamers. Well, you get labor. Here's the thing about cheap labor, and this is what Tim Dillon's been saying. He thinks they're bringing in cheap, illegal labor. And that's why construction businesses, like if you kicked out all the illegal immigrants, he was like, a lot of construction businesses

would be fucked, they'd be fucked. And he said, there's a lot of people that don't want those jobs anymore, and they're sneaking in people to fill those jobs. He thinks that's part of it. And that makes sense. But did you ever see that documentary, Wow, Wow Country? It's fucking great.

It's on Netflix. And it's all about this cult that put together this compound in like the Pacific Northwest. And one of the things they did is they brought in homeless people by the buses. They found all these homeless people, you can be a part of our community. And these homeless people get there like, wow, finally I have a place I belong. These people were all psyched they belonged to this community and then they voted. So they took over the whole town by busing in voters. So they brought in these vote, they just grabbed homeless people from everywhere and they integrated into the community. That's the South Park episode. They had them vote, but they really didn't.

This is like in the 80s or 90s. So they had them vote. What year was that? What year did that take place? It might be the 2000s. Anyway, had them vote. And then once they took over the town, they kicked all the homeless people out, get the fuck out of here.

And the homeless people are like, I thought you loved me. I thought it was a part of the team. And these people like for once in their life, they had direction, they had meaning, they were part of a community, they're trying to get off the dope, they're feeling better about themselves, chanting and really believing all this thing

these people are talking about, and they really just used them. They're political pawns. Well, it's the same thing as, remember how the Dream Act, the Dreamers, was such a big deal when Trump said he was gonna remove the protections. But then, okay, so why have they not been protected now? So why has there been no

bill? If everybody cares so much, people they don't care. That's like my overarching belief is it's just that politics they just don't care about you. That makes people fight in their real life with people on the behalf of people who that don't even care you exist They can't they can't care. There's too many people I mean just imagine wanting that job first of all No, I can't and then imagine like the stress of how is Trump doing it at 78 years old? Like how's he dealing with the stress of doing this? No, like and he's doing podcasts and it's like

He's on a podcast with the whole one. He's the podcast with the other podcast with you is amazing yeah I did one with Lex yesterday so it's just like how do you have the energy to keep that fuck that job I would never and how can you you can care as much as you want about you could try to care but there's so many things to care about yeah there's so much going on and everything's a fucking fire everything's on fire the economy's on fire International relations on fire the economy I went I mean I went and got Two coffees and two shitty egg sandwiches with my husband the other night shitty ones You know the ones that are pre-made, and you just heat them in the heat. It was over $60

What yeah, is that New York City? Yeah fucking get out of there Why do you why are they doing that work? That's it? Why are they? But I don't is fuck stupid I move their fucking business to Connecticut. I'm all move anywhere I'm all about it cuz that's the only reason I'm there. Yeah, go somewhere else, and I don't go out right I guess it's fun if like you're yeah, but when I was there, and I was young I was poor So I never really got now. I'm married and pregnant, I'm not really going out, right? I'm going home into work and home into work. And you can't even live in Long Island because it's too hard to get over that. It's too hard to get over that. We're making that, we're still renting and I'm making that decision like do we like buy a house somewhere but then I want to... In Jersey?

In Jersey but then I live... But then it takes you an hour to get to work. Exactly. If you leave at six in the morning. Exactly. It's one of those deals. Yeah. Do I do, well which is worse? It's, It's hard. And if you want to do stand up, god damn it. You kind of have to be in the city. Like it's so hard to do set, unless you're single and free. Like when I lived in New Rochelle, I lived in New Rochelle because I couldn't afford to live in the city at the time.

And I was doing a lot of road gigs. I needed a car. I needed a parking spot. And if I lived in the city, a parking spot was like 500 bucks a month or something like that was crazy Yeah, half of my rent for a spot to put my car. I had to have a fucking car So I used to have to drive in the city to go and do spots. So I do spots in the city I have to pay to park. I'd always lose money I never made any money if I lived in the city and just hopped around the subway and took cabs

I could have made a living doing stand-up in the city But I had to do road gigs in order to just make a living just to be able to do sets in the city. Yeah, no, and I've just started going, you know, getting into going back up just around the city again, just like, oh, what am I doing this week? And hey, can I get a spot at this place? Because I've quit stand up three times. Now I'm back at it. It's, it's you can't really ever quit it. I feel like some people can. I mean, I think I could quit it if I, you know, I quit it. During I could I quit it during COVID for like eight months. And I was thinking why I was quitting it.

Well, while, you know, I was like, who knows if this is ever going to happen again? I was thinking I'm okay. Like I love it. I really love standup. It's fun. I love comedian. Like Stan Hope said it best. He's like, I could quit comedy, but I couldn't quit comedian.

Yeah. Which is like totally right. It's like the hang is like it's too, they're too fun to hang with. They're too fun to be silly with. Everyone knows there's no boundaries. Everyone's being hilarious. Everyone like last night we were in the green room and Brian Simpson came up with this new bit and everybody's like given it like he said this thing it was really fun. I go dude that's a bit. He's like you think so? I'm like fuck yeah. And then he hit it with another tagline, and then somebody else jumped in then he had another tagline Like he created this bit right in front of you

And he was like oh, I can't wait to go on stage and tell that I was like oh Like those kind of moments those are the most fun moments, and I think only comics are gonna appreciate that You know no one else is gonna understand what even just happened. That guy just has a bit. There's not only just a bit, but it's a root of what's going to be a real chunk of material. He's just started off with this hilarious premise that has a few really good tag lines. Then four months from now, that's going to probably be a closing bit. It's like one of those deals. I can't stop hanging out with those people.

It's too fun. Oh, it's too fun. For me, I quit a few times and I quit most recently also during COVID. And then when I wrote the first book, I started doing a live show with in their slides involved, but every slide has a punchline. And then next thing you know, I'm going up around the city now doing just like stand up as well in addition to my live shows. But now it's pretty much I'm going to have no time to just do my my shows and then gut felt five days a week and the baby Growing the baby, which you do need speed

I'm telling you I'm telling you but it's you know, they don't let you well they do They fact that they would let me take it. I was like, ah Yeah, fuck that cuz if there was ever anything wrong with the baby, right? I'd be like that was my fault Right, right. That was my fault for taking amphetamines during my pregnancy. Yeah, yeah, fuck that. So I thought I'd be, honestly I thought when I, I thought I'd be more scared of having kids, and I am scared, I have no idea what I'm doing, but I've also just been like too tired,

which is kind of nice. Right, that probably like eases some of the anxiety. Just like, you need a nap. Yeah, exactly. And then once you have the baby, then you're gonna need a lot of naps. Just like, you need a nap. Yeah, exactly. And then once you have the baby, then you're gonna need a lot of naps. Yeah. Baby brain is real in the beginning.

You think you're like out of it now when you don't get any sleep and the baby's up and then you gotta like take turns. Like you're gonna be like sleep deprived for several months. Yeah. At least. At least. At least.

I mean I I It's crazy because only recently have I accepted that this baby's gonna like live in my apartment I think you're gonna want to get out of there you yeah, I'm sure yeah You're gonna want to get a house you're gonna want to be somewhere safer and quieter somewhere with outside Yeah, somewhere where you can can play a baby can't play on the balcony It's just I just know, I have friends who raised their whole families in New York City, like kids from baby all the way to grown up, and those kids are different. They're a little sass. I would, I don't want to have to explain to my toddler dude like jerking off on a street corner with a needle in his arm. They know too

much at a young age. I don't want to have to, I mean, the stuff that you see just, it's not as bad as it was during COVID. It was crazy. People were shooting up all over just it's not as bad as it was during during COVID It was crazy people were shooting up all over the place not as bad But still I mean when people were using the streets as like racetracks I was crashing cars because there was no one on the street So people were going like 150 miles an hour down Broadway There was I when I live in Hudson Yards also during Chloe there was a dude out of chick bent over a car fucking her in the daytime in the daytime and he was like howling he was like wow and I'm looking around and there's nobody

nobody's doing anything you know what do you want them to do no right like nobody wants to be in the splash zone nobody wants to go anywhere near any of all the terrible things that are going on is that that bad you know I mean they're not doing anything when someone smashes windows and steals clothes and I would be upset if that were my car When de Blasio let those people have those smash and grabs and was telling them to like get it out of their system Remember that yeah that that was the strategy just let the riots burn themselves out and don't arrest anybody like what are you? Fucking do well no personal property. That's calm. That's some communist shit, too

It was great. It was just it didn't make any sense. It was all failed leftist philosophies from like the 1960s that nobody really believes in in practice and they've never worked. You can't just let people fucking smash and grab things. You're gonna destroy the fabric of society. So many people are gonna be indoctrinated into looting and stealing that maybe have never done that before. If you have these mass groups, if you have like these mass groups of people that break into a mall and 200 people...

How many of those people have ever done anything like that before? Probably a lot haven't. And now all of a sudden they have and they do it multiple times, then it becomes a normalized thing. And they realize there's no... you've created a real fucking problem. Well, you feel dumb for not stealing at a certain point. You know, it's like, why am I still paying for this shit? But I can't buy anything at a store. I have to get essentials, toiletries type shit. You have to just get it online.

You can't go to a store in New York. Because there's no one working there. There's a few employees. You've got to press a button every time you need something. Everything's locked up. Burt Kreischer went viral today because I think Breitbart put a video of his because he went through a Rite Aid.

Yeah, I saw someone commenting on that though that Rite Aid's going out of business and that store is like one of the ones that's closing. Where people are gonna get their amphetamines. Right, but you know why they're going out of business? Because they got looted. Everything's locked up. I see what you're saying,

but it doesn't make sense that they're going out of business so they locked up everything. No. No, they locked up. I see what you're saying, but it doesn't make sense that they're going out of business So they locked up everything no No They locked up everything because people were stealing like crazy because they they passed a fucking law or anything under $900 or whatever it was they weren't allowed to arrest you so people just run in and throw deodorant and fucking hair spray everything Throw everything in a bag and walk right out the door and no one could do a goddamn thing about it hairspray, throw everything in a bag and walk right out the door and no one could do a goddamn thing about it. Video showing deserted Rite-Aids bare shelves after bankruptcy goes viral. Is this Burt? Look at Burt went viral. Burt's so happy he's never gonna stop doing this

now. He's gonna go everywhere. How do you go to every Rite Aid there is? Burt Kreischer, who showcased the empty shelves, incorrectly attributing them to theft. Incorrectly! First of all, it's the reason why they're locked up. Go show the video. So is this one... Show the video. Because the... You want me to send it to you?

You got it. I'm gonna get it right here. Okay. Because saying that, that's kooky to say. That's really kooky to say. Falsely attributing them to theft or is this one maybe? Look at this. This is our deodorant look everything's locked up But that is an empty this is empty this so this is probably is going out of business

Yeah, and I guess thieves just come in and take whatever is expensive But I think this is going out of business because it's not locked up. Yeah, this is this is incorrect This is classic. So I thought these were locks, locked boxes. Okay, Burr's wrong. But he's not wrong, because the reason why they go down a business is because they've been looted. So like, they've abandoned several major cities, right?

They've moved out, like a lot of businesses have moved out of San Francisco, a lot of businesses have moved out of San Francisco, a lot of businesses have moved out of LA for a very specific reason, because of these loots. Yeah. Like this is real. Like what companies have pulled stores because of the after effect of looting? Let's find out. Yeah, I mean-

I know they have in Oakland. I think they have in San Francisco. Let's Google drugstores. What drugstores have pulled out of San Francisco? I think it's Walgreens. So what's the difference between Walmart and Walgreens? I mean Wal I mean... Walgreens is a drug store. Walmart is the big place that have... But they have drugs there too, right? Yeah. But they don't go out there.

They have a pharmacy. They can hang in there. Yeah. They're an institution in many places. They said it would close around 900 stores in the next three years. Nine percent of them... Or wait. It then closed six in San Francisco, including five throughout downtown and one on Venice

Avenue. Yeah, drug stores. Drug stores used to be like the most profitable fucking business you could own. Yeah. And now they're like, we're just getting robbed. Yeah, well, I mean. So Bird's kind of right. He's not right why those shelves are empty at that moment

because they're going out of business, but that's why they're going out of business. Well, those would be locked up. Old Navy to Nordstrom. Half of the retailers fleeing downtown San Francisco. Well, because brick and mortar wasn't doing that well to begin with because people are buying shit online. Right. And then you just let people go, people were going to the store because you can steal it.

It's so crazy. You can steal it. It's almost like they want society to collapse. Like allowing stuff like that and not making corrective measures to make these retailers feel comfortable so they stay in your community without doing anything to save them and letting them pull out and not making any corrective measures is so nuts. Yeah it is nuts but it's it's nothing's changed I mean I can't New York's stuff has been locked up forever now. Right but this is a new thing is what I'm saying like this is not this

didn't exist in the year 2000. You never saw this. So in the last 24 years, all of a sudden it's become a thing that people are looting stores on a regular basis to the point where they have to move out of cities because there's no correction in the way they enforce the laws. Well, it's also not going to change, right? Like New York, it's not going to have, the Republicans are not going to win New York. They might. It could get sideways enough where a Republican Rudy Giuliani type character can get in there.

That depends on how much they have the system rigged. But I think there's a real possibility that someone could reach up or some conservative Democrat, you know, some Yeah, like a law and order Democrat. That's possible. Yeah, you could have one of those. But it's gonna have to, people are just gonna have to get fed up and But it's gonna have to people are just gonna have to get fed up and The problem is if they don't get fed up and they keep voting for the same thing like they seem to do in

California and a lot of other places they're never gonna change It's just gonna keep getting worse and I don't understand that it's like how much do you love your ideology? We don't realize they're fucking your life up. Yeah, I don't know. I mean it's and Because I think I mean I just have no hope I don't think it's gonna get any better. I don't know. I mean you know yeah, I do I have faith in people I really do I think we come really close to fucking up a lot and we pull ourselves out of the ashes And I think there's been if you just follow the course of our society over the last hundred years There's been a lot of ups and downs or its was prohibition. There was World War I, World War II, Vietnam. There's a lot of things where it looked like society was over. Kent State, oh my God, what's going

on? Martin Luther King gets shot. JFK gets shot. There was a lot of like terrible moments. And then things got better. And then things, you know, it's always if you look on a chart, there's always, generally speaking, over time there's less crime, less problems, the economy does a little bit better, everybody's cost of living changes, like your, your, the way you live your life improves overall generally. I think if you look at like a thousand years to today, it's obvious. There's a clear path. It's just like, gotta make sure that whatever dip we're in right now, we correct. Yeah, I mean I have all the things that we're doing wrong. It doesn't mean you can't do all the good things that like progressive

people want to do. And in terms of like funding education and helping people get over drug addiction and homelessness. All those things should be funded. It's a good idea to have more healthy, happy people in our society. But also, you can't rob the store. But also, you shouldn't just be able to sneak in across the border because terrorists are a real thing. You can't rob a store.

And then also just with letting people, I mean violent criminals out is another thing where it's like dude, nobody wants this. Nobody wants this person who's convicted, you know, has this violent, violent history to be out on the streets. Except really super progressive DAs who think that the criminal justice system is inherently racist.

I think there's plenty of things wrong with the criminal justice system. In a way that fixes, just let people out. I don't think anybody should go to prison for drug. I think drugs should be legal. I think all drugs should be legal. I think for sure. But I think that that's different than saying crimes with people who have committed crimes

with victims should be allowed to go accrue more victims. Right. The thing about drugs is already illegal. So if drugs were legal, all the negative aspects of drugs, other than addiction and overdose, are already illegal. People that do math and break into a house because they need money for more math, like that's already illegal. You're not supposed to do that.

Exactly. And the problem with drugs being illegal is the same problem they had with prohibition during the 19, whatever it was, 30s in this country. What year was it when alcohol, what years were it? I don't know the exact year. It was like seven or eight years, right, where alcohol was illegal? I think it was in the in this country. What year was it when alcohol? We're here was like seven or eight years right where alcohol was illegal But what year did it end it ended a couple of years before they made marijuana illegal Which is hilarious because it's a complete shift

Yeah, literally took the people that were chasing marijuana alcohol. They chased him after marijuana 1920 so 13 years Yeah, that's not 13 people were still boozing of course They're just dying, but it also my point was that it pumped up organized crime And yeah, of course Al Capone got rich and all these people got rich theorem bootleggers moonshiners Well, that's the that's where NASCAR comes from yeah That's the main reason why a lot of people point to you know look at this place was decriminalized. It didn't work It's like well That's decriminalized not legalized a and you don't have to have all these other things too.

But a lot of the places, look, it didn't work in Portland when they decriminalized, because Portland was already in a fucked up shit hole. A lot of it, yes, exactly. Portland needed rule, they needed Jesus. So Jesus should have come to Portland and sorted that place out. But instead they got like, just do whatever you want, man. And then of course, they're already addicted to drugs, they're just gonna do more drugs But if you look at what they did with Portugal that had a profound effect you look at there's countries that have decriminalized drugs and it's been very beneficial, but

You're always still buying them from criminals because even when it's decriminalized It's not legal to sell them and profit from them, but it is legal to sell Adderall And it is you know it's like we're in a screwball to sell Adderall. It's like we're in a screwball fucked up world where we have things that we've accepted as being okay just because they're grandfathered in. It's so fucked up. And then other things like weed, which is the best example, but other things like veterans, like psychedelics. So many benefits to psychedelics. And also just so many comparative to alcohol and what

that does to people versus not really benefits if any But you can be like I get fucked up and drink whatever It's all fine everywhere, but but psychedelics or you can go to jail It's all dumb and it doesn't make any sense if you don't want to prop up the organized crime Because there's a reason why the cartel is worth billions and billions and billions of dollars. It's because of us. Because we have drugs that are illegal, and they bring the drugs over and sell it to us. And that's how they make money. And if you don't want to fix that, just say it. Just say it. Because if you want to fix it, there's only one way to do it. And the one way to do it is to regulate it in house. Like make

it in America, regulate it in America, and then use a responsible portion of that for treatment, a lot of that treatment, which should include psychedelics. So if you want to make things legal and then set up Ibogaine clinics everywhere, I bet you would get a lot of clean people that would ordinarily have a problem. But I bet Kat would still be taking nicotine and doing speed. I still like nicotine amphetamines, but I think especially with, you know, with veterans mental health, but just really for anybody who wants to do it, even for fun, I think it should be allowed.

But, I mean... Victims of violent crime. There's a lot of people that have had profound release and just something that allows them to move on past the death of a loved one. There's certain people that get devastated by things, and psychedelics have helped them in tremendous ways. And they just denied, the FDA just denied, MAPS has run this long-term study on MDMA.

And now they have to go through more studies. And it's very unfortunate, because people have benefited tremendously from that kind of therapy. Yeah, and I mean if you look at with veterans it's like you send them over to these wars and you know a lot of people don't come back normal from that. How could you expect them to come back normal? And people love to say support the troops, support the troops, they don't think about what that really means and it's because it can look a little uglier, a little more complicated than just, you know, saying

that or wearing like a flag pin on your suit. And I think in general, when it comes to mental health, we've never like talked about mental health more, but people are struggling because we have such little leeway for people who are going through a mental health crisis. If you make a mistake, that mistake defines you. Well, there's not just that. There's so limited resources in terms of how to deal with your for people who are going through a mental health crisis. If you make a mistake, that mistake defines you. At this point. Well, there's not just that, there's so limited resources in terms of how to deal with your mental health problem.

If you're not allowing people to use psychedelics, then you're deciding. And most of the people that are deciding are also people that haven't experienced psychedelics. Which is really crazy. Yes. It's really crazy. Well, that's the government,

they're legislating things they don't understand. Like, literally. Yeah. Especially in the government. They're legislating things. They don't understand like literally yeah Especially in this regard absolutely I completely agree if you really wanted to help the troops You would give them access to that stuff because there's been a lot of people that have had tremendous results So I'm saying it's gonna work for everybody. It's not a cure-all. It's not a panacea, but it's a tool It's a tool in the toolbox, and we need a lot of tools There's a lot of people out there that are hurting. Oh yeah. And we can help them. Oh yeah. A huge, huge supporter of that. The world would be a better place. It's crazy that we still have to argue about this in 2024.

I know. With all the information that we have now on the internet and all the people that have had to go to Costa Rica and have these retreats and come back and be cured of opiate addiction and all these problems that they've had and we're still like, more tests, more tests, but here's some fentanyl, more tests, but here, take your oxys, more tests, but you need speed. You should be able to make that choice. I mean, psychedelics are just a huge, huge, huge benefit. I mean, I'm a huge believer in that, actually. Well mean I'm a huge believer in that actually. Well I'm a believer in freedom. Yes. I'm a believer, I'm a big believer in a

person, a human being should not be able to tell another human being what they can and cannot do with their life and their body if it doesn't hurt anybody else. Exactly. And in my mind psychedelics fall into that area and if there's no benefit, no objective benefit, then why are all these people enthusiasts? Why's no benefit no objective benefit that why are all these people? Enthusiasts why are all these people doing it? Why are all these people talking about profound experiences and how much it's benefited them and the people that are saying that you can't do It have you done it. Do you know what the fuck you're talking about? And if you don't Probably you shouldn't be the one deciding on this. Yeah, absolutely

Yes, you let people decide the more you have, the better it is for everybody. But you know, they're worried about the whole system getting like 1960 again. You know, like tune in, turn on, drop out, all that crazy shit that was going on when people became flower children. Yes, but also so what? Yeah. Is homelessness better? If you had a hundred thousand hippies in LA just like selling flowers in the street, would that be worse? Yeah, I think that psychedelics, I mean psychedelics I think can be beneficial for people who have trauma, but also for just anybody. If you want to be able to

experience that, then you should be free to experience that. Yeah, and if it was legal, you'd be able to find out who can and cannot take it. Yes. Because there's some people, they got a screw loose and something goes, har, har, and they eat mushrooms and all of a sudden they think they can fly. Like people get a little nutty.

And certain people don't come back, especially acid. I've heard some acid stories where people didn't come back. Yeah, but I mean, of course, but you hear stories about everything. But you don't know until you run studies. Until you, when things are legal But you don't know until you run studies. When things are legal and you allow people to run these studies, you come up with effective dosages, you find out what people are allergic to, what's this chemical reaction that people

have, maybe certain medications that you shouldn't cross with it. Right. But yeah, to your point, it's like you never heard a story about someone doing alcohol and it going badly, or someone doing pharmaceuticals and it going badly If you want I mean I think that I mean what a huge tool to be able to diminish the ego in a person And what an amazing life-changing thing that can be and to say you can't do that because I said so it's crazy To an adult to an adult and the who's telling you is uninformed. They've never tried it.

They don't know what they're talking about. And there's no real rational, if you could just have a conversation with the person, not like a debate, not in front of Congress, like this. Just you and me for hours. Let's just sit down for hours and you tell me why you think that psychedelics should be prohibited for all adults. You tell me why. And I'm going to tell you why I think they should. Then I'm going to ask you some questions about what do you think they do. And then you would get a sense over the course of a

couple of hours to talk to this person, this person has no fucking business telling people what they can and can't take. They're just bureaucrats. They're just bureaucrats and they know that there's a certain amount of people that are going to, it's going to benefit them to vote in a certain way and state a certain opinion. And there's a certain amount of people that it's going to benefit them to vote in a certain way and state a certain opinion, and there's a certain amount of vested interests, a certain amount of special interest groups that would like them to continue to vote in a very specific way. And that's their God.

That's who they go with. It's nothing to do with what's good for everybody. No, no. And people just, they just have this framework of like, well, that's nothing to do with what's good for everybody. No, no and if people just It's they just have this framework of like well, that's that's a crazy thing. That's bad drugs are bad. Those are bad I can't you could that's crazy can't do that And then people who have had experience with them might feel differently, but that doesn't matter It's a sign of a sexist because then the people who have experience with them are people who do drugs. Yeah Right and those people never want to be president. Isn't that ironic? You'd want

the president to like, to do something, at least some sort of psychedelic experience one time to just connect with God real quick, come back and go, okay, yeah, I think we could do better. You know, I think it would be better if more politicians did mushrooms. It probably would, but they'd probably get less politicians. They'd probably just quit. They'd be like, I don't want to do this job. To be able to person who could just gaslight 250 million people on a regular basis, you have to be out of your mind.

You have to be really a crazy person to stand in front of people and lie about the economy and lie about job numbers and lie about this and lie about that like that's the most unpsychedelic perspective ever yeah it really is the word what's the most unpsychedelic job I would say White House press secretary yeah professional bullshit yeah exactly just soothing everything over and making everything seem normal and making it seem like they've done an amazing job and everything's under control. For the sake of just upholding the system.

And it's just psychedelics make you think, you know, they make you realize also that you're going to die in a good way. Because the things you worry about in your life feel a little bit less ridiculous when you are more familiar with your mortality. Like oh, we're kind of just all here, we're all people, and you're able to do things to your consciousness to see things differently. So that just makes you view things differently. And I think that what's healthier than that? And like you said, it's not for everybody. There's people who definitely, they can't

do it, things can go badly. Yeah, there's people that regular life is too fucked for them. There's people that regular reality is too slippery. They shouldn't be doing anything. Those people need some other kind of help. And I don't know what that help is. I'm not a psychiatrist. But I do know that for a lot of people, they're beneficial. I know a lot of people shouldn't drink, but yet alcohol is legal. And all these things are things that we need to learn. And the only way we learn them is if we have access to them.

We know what the real benefits actually are and what the real risks actually are. We know what the real risks of Jack Daniels are It's like there's a long history of people drinking themselves to death to death. Yeah And not only that but killing other people. Yeah, like getting behind the wheel driving. Oh, yeah, also getting violence Oh, yeah, getting I mean just alcohol just getting beat up in the street cuz you're fucking drunk and you mouth off to somebody Yeah, you're in the hospital with a broken skull like yeah, so many detrimental side effects to alcohol But yeah, no one is saying we should make alcohol illegal. No, could you imagine if that was their next pitch? Yeah prohibition We need to bring it back But if they say it with weed everybody's like yeah

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the way safer drug. It's way safer. Yeah. Way safer. It makes everybody a lot more peaceful. It's way less violent. You also don't hear people waxing poetic.

I mean, myself included. I'm not going to stay here and be like, well, what alcohol can do. It's all these real, I mean, can it be fun to get drunk sometimes? Yeah, I guess. But it's like the next day I'm never like, man, I'm so glad that I drank all that booze. That really just opened my eyes to think, no. It's no. Well, alcohol is the perfect example of no biological free lunch. Yeah. Yeah.

Because that rush, that fun time you feel when you're lit like whoa your soft comes on It's like yeah, the next day you go Yeah, it's killing my fucking head. Oh the shades for me. It's the emotional like everybody hates me Everybody it's the opposite of what psychedelics can do you're like it gives you some perspective on the world and your place in the world And then alcohol puts the next morning, it's the opposite of that. It's like everyone, the world revolves around how mad it all is at me. You know?

You're like, what did I do? What did I do? And you think about some loud, stupid shit you said. Some loud, ugh, I'm like, why did I do that? And then I, well, the texting, I'm like, what did I say? And then you think, and then I think that I am gonna be deposed in a court for some shit Shit that I was saying when I was like to me

It's pretty clear which one but but there's only one of them that I could go to jail for doing right? You know, it's not it doesn't make any sense. It's also been here before people. Like, what are we doing? Making nature illegal. It's so stupid. The whole thing is stupid. It's just, and it's stupid, and the fact that we still allow it is so crazy. And no one's, it would have, it sounds trivial to people that don't do it. But if you allowed people control of their consciousness and to have these kind of experiences, you'd have a lot more people that are thinking about things in a lot more considerate and careful way. And that's what I think the benefit of it is. Yeah. Even if it's not, even maybe you're really not contacting God or aliens, whatever it is, but just the benefits of having it. But I think there's a lot of things

that can make people more kind and considerate. Like in a very counterintuitive way But I think there's a lot of things that can make people more kind and considerate. Like in a very counterintuitive way, I think martial arts do. Jiu-Jitsu especially. They're the nicest people I've ever met. My friends from Jiu-Jitsu are the nicest fucking people because every day they're trying to kill each other. And they don't have any of that in regular life. There's no chest puffing there's no douchebaggery like people that are like The guys that I know that train three four times a week and are really interested in jujitsu doing it all the time They're some of the most peaceful calm easygoing Measured even when they talk to people in confrontations very measured because they're coming from a place of strength and

most men in particular they come from a place of trying to pretend they have strength in order to like intimidate you to get up to get out like get you on your back foot get you on the heels like fuck you man like That kind of douchey kind of shit is just insecurity Yeah, these guys don't have any of that. And it's just a healthier, like, I don't think everybody should do jujitsu, it's too hard. Don't do it if you don't want to. Probably not for me.

But I think there's a lot of things like that in this world, I don't think it's just psychedelics. I think there's multiple, I think yoga plays a big factor in that. I remember I got in a car accident when I was on yoga. When I was on yoga. I was like, we're on yoga, I haven't heard heard that one. We were doing yoga so much we me and Ari Shafir, Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura

We do the sober October and every time we do sober October we have these things that we do where We're like we'll have a fitness challenge or you have to do I think we had 15 yoga classes in the month So you had to do like a yoga class every other day for a month. And I got really into it. I was doing it a lot. And this guy rear-ended me on the highway and I had a really nice car and he crashed

into me and he was on his phone, he was texting and he was illegal and he didn't have a driver's license. Oh shit, what a mess. And I was so calm about it. I was like, you okay? I was like, I'm okay. You okay okay? I was like, I'm okay. You okay? And I was like, I'm just going to take off, you know, I'm just going to get my car fixed.

I just took off. Luckily he didn't wreck my car. He just bent the back. It was a Porsche. It was a 911 GT3, a very nice car. But his car, it was a little bullshit car, like a little Honda Accord. And when he slammed on the brakes, it basically went under the back of my car and bumped it up in the air and it stalled out and his car was pretty fucked up.

He couldn't drive off but I could drive off. So I just drove to the comic store. And I was like, okay, why was I so calm about that? I wasn't even mad at that guy. I was like, he's an illegal alien. Excuse me, immigrant. Undocumented minor, whatever he is, undocumented immigrant. Just some dude who came from Mexico.

Right, his day is having a tough day. I said, why don't you have a license? I go, he goes, I can't because I'm illegal. I said, okay. I go, but yet you still drive. And he goes, I have to for work. I go, I get it. I get it.

But it was like a very calm, he said he was sorry. I believed him. It was just a mistake. He fucked up. Traffic had slow, you know, LA yeah, I think like all of a sudden comes to a screeching halt and sometimes people aren't not ready for it and I really think it was yoga. I think I didn't even get mad at the guy. All right, take it easy I just drove away. I drove away and I thought about it afterwards I was like, why can't it be like that with everything like why like what would help me be like that in every situation to treat every interaction with people, like, as, as calm as possible

and never, never really get totally upset by anything. Just it is what it is. No big deal. And I was like, man, that's probably a great tool just for society, just for, if most people, if yoga was a thing that most people did every day in the morning, what impact would that have just in the overall population of how nice people are to each other? It would probably be huge. Probably be huge. Yeah, I've never, I was raised in a household where yoga was the devil. Really? The devil? My mom was really Catholic.

Oh. So like it's a bad, I mean, I'm not, I don't know if that's obvious to you. Stretching? That I'm not Catholic. I know, but exactly, yeah. Stretching is the devil? But there's something, I don't know, I've never gotten into it. Can you do stretching for Jesus?

Yeah. Why don't someone do yoga, just take the poses and add them with little prayers. You mean Bible verses? Yeah, I don't know. Add them with some prayers, you know? I am not Catholic, I'm not religious at all anymore, which is why I think that I'm always looking for things. Like I'm always looking for a way to be religious, or in some sense, spiritual.

I've never done ayahuasca, I really wanna do ayahuasca. I've done other things that have been beneficial to me, but I'm searching for that thing. I'm searching for that, I wanna believe in something greater than myself. I think I'm searching for that. I want to believe in something greater than myself. I think that's normal for people. Right.

And I think that's why a lot of atheists, they talk like religious people. They talk about atheism the same way religious people talk about their belief in God that they absolutely know it's true. It's kind of the same thing. There's nothing. I do not believe in God. See, I'm not that. There's no evidence there's God. I'm not that. Yeah. I'm just agnostic. I'm kind of of like who am I to say what there is and isn't yeah, I can appreciate that I think there's something going on. Yeah, I think there's something going on that we're a part of that is too big for us to grasp

Yeah, I think we're like a hand waving over a fucking earthworm and earthworm has no idea what's going on Because I think it's too big. I think just the idea of this infinite space that we live in with who knows how many galaxies and we're on this planet and we're making babies and you're cooking one up inside your body right now and you're going on stage and doing stand up and we're having an election and we might have a nuclear war and all this shit is happening all throughout the universe all over the place. Not just here but probably in an infinite number of planets everywhere. The whole thing's too big. And for you to say, there's no God, God's not real. It's like you have no idea. You have no idea. Yeah, I agree.

And by the way, the evidence of there being something that's forcing this in a general direction is overwhelming. There's something that's, whether it's some natural properties like Brett Weinstein calls it Darwinian evolution, that it applies to everything and things get better and improve and evolve. That, yeah, but what is causing that? And what made that?

What is the overall force behind this whole thing? And what's its goal? It seems to be moving in a general direction all the time. And that direction is like constant improvement of life forms, of societies, of technology. It's moving in this fucking direction. Like, how do you know it's not God? How do you know it's not the way God works? How do you know the universe isn't God and this is the way it expresses itself? Yeah, the craziest, and this is the most normal thing to do is get pregnant, but it's the craziest trip I've ever had. It has to be. Like all I did was

have sex. I didn't pick up a license and now there's a gonna be a baby in my apartment. Wait till you start talking to that baby. That's what's gonna be crazy. This is gonna be a human that's gonna have opinions and it's gonna tell me no. They're gonna be mad at you. Yeah I'm gonna be like I didn't smoke any fucking six. I no cigs and now you're trying to tell me no I'm gonna be like I should have smoked a pack a day with your ass talking to me like that Yeah, but then they'll say look I didn't ask to be born. Yeah exactly they're gonna find Why'd you make me? Stupid bitch. You fucking did this. It's your fault. No matter what the kids gonna find a way to hate you, right? Like that's they're gonna find a way to I don't I don't know but it's it's the craziest

It's the craziest trip. And I think it's also, that's part of the reason, I'm always looking for, I'm just looking for meaning. I want there to be something so badly. And that's, and I think that- I think we all do, I really do. Well, I think that's why people like psychedelics. I think that's why, I mean,

it definitely can make you view the world in a different way. And then compared to all the other drugs, I mean, the worst drug I ever did was Accutane. Oh It made me want to kill myself. Yeah, this was last summer I mean I actually was suicidal like I went off multiple people in my life had that same same situation The way more dangerous drug for me than shrooms Accutane yeah, I mean Andrew Santino the hilarious comedian talks about it He said it was one of the worst experiences of his life.

Really? Me too. Yeah. My brain finally decides I was crying on the bathroom floor because I was going to die and everyone I know is going to die. Oh my God. And again, always been true. Always been true.

My husband found me on the bathroom floor crying. And I stopped taking it about a month before it worked out of my system. And then I went back to normal. But at that time I was like, I've lost myself. I'm never gonna be myself again. Whenever you have a medication and one of the side effects is suicidal ideation. Those ones freak me out

because they'll just say it real calm while these people are holding hands and spinning around in a wheat field. Suicidal ideation, what? Yeah, I experienced that. I experienced my brain being hijacked in a bad way by a drug for zits. I was like, I'll just, and I was, you know,

you can't drink on it, so I was like, I was having these extreme reactions, stone cold sober. But I was on the show sometimes, and I would be so depressed. And people would be email, I would be getting emails, like you were like acting like a bitch, or you're this and that, and it's like, no, no, no, I wanna kill myself. I don't think I'm too good

for people I want to kill myself and it's just scary. It was very scary. Well I'm glad you got off it. Yes I'm off Accu. That one I'm never doing again. Yeah that one's catchy. Listen Kat I really enjoyed talking to you. I really enjoyed talking to you too. It was really fun. Let's do this again. Yeah thank you. Tell everybody about your book one more time please. It's called I used to. Do you have a copy of it here? I have it outside. I left all my shit outside. No worries. It's called I used to like you until it's called I used to like you until And it is all about how one single thing should not be enough to write another person off. It's about independent thinking it's about connection and I spill a lot of tea on myself in the book because

So the point I'm naked on the cover my body looks nothing like this anymore, but covered in hate mail with the idea of like vulnerability in the face of over overwhelming hatred. That's great. So I You know, I had the idea of and you read it too. I did Yeah, you have to I have a very distinctive voice the audiobook. Fantastic. Thank you. I'm so happy you did that. Yeah. You have to. I have a very distinctive voice. Well also it's like, God, it's not that hard folks. Do it. I'm talking about a lot of very personal things in the book. I want some actor. No, talking about... Who's the man? Should get some old man to do your voice. A British guy. My first period. Don't worry,

that's not in the book. Well thank you, Kat. Thank you for having me. It was a lot of fun. Me too. I agree. Okay. Bye everybody.