The Joe Rogan Experience - #2209 - Paul Rosolie

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

Paul Rosolie is a conservationist, filmmaker, and writer. He's the founder of Junglekeepers, an organization protecting threatened habitat in western Amazonia, and the author of "Mother of God: An Extraordinary Journey into the Uncharted Tributaries of the Western Amazon."  www.paulrosolie.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. All right, we're ready. You taking a selfie? No, I'm just making sure that there's nothing completely retarded looking about myself right now. What could possibly be different than the way when you walked in here? I have no idea dude. I'll tell you what, it's so much fun walking in here and not be like ready to throw up

out of nerves. The first time I walked out of here and I went holy shit I was actually nervous. I don't get nervous but the first time I was. Not nervous now though. No. Good. No. No.

It's good to see you again. Good to see you. Every time I see him I'm like I'm glad he's still alive. It's like, where you live is so crazy. Let me tell you, man. I don't understand why you continue to do it, but I guess you love it. I have to do it. Nothing else I can do at this point. How long do you think you're gonna stay out there for?

Until the mission's complete. Until the mission's complete. I mean, we have, my whole life has been based around one goal, it's been protecting this river. So, and this year, we've just been experiencing miracles. the mission is complete. I mean, my whole life has been based around one goal. It's been protecting this river. And this year, we've just been experiencing miracles. What's happened in the last few months has been life-changing on a level that

I didn't understand these things could happen. When Lex came down and everything that happened, we didn't think, you go out and you don't think that miraculous things are gonna happen. And there's just been there's just We've actually been making strides towards notching winds in protecting this river saving the Amazon It's wild. So is it because of you become more high-profile? You've got more support like what it what has been the change? Well, I mean coming on here helped a lot

I mean first of all just coming over here, like three different people stopped me in the airport and were like, are you that guy from Joe Rogan? And I was like, are you serious? Like, I'm over there, like, I'm not used to this. I live in the jungle, so I don't know. And then I come back here and then people are like, dude, I know you, you're the jungle guy.

And I'm like, oh shit, that's new for me. But, so really the thing that happened recently was that you know so I went on Lex's show a year and a half ago and he said I'm gonna come down to the Amazon which everybody said. You went on Lex's show but Lex actually went on your show. You can say that. He did it in the Amazon and to see Lex with his suit his customary suit on. How hot was it? It was hot if you watch that, you can see him. Yeah, he looks glistening. I was doing fine.

But we both covered ourselves in bug spray and we sat down and we said, okay, we're just gonna try it out. And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, it's fine. But yeah, he came, when he said he was coming down, I was like, yeah, you and everybody else, everybody says they're gonna come down. I didn't think he would actually do it.

And then- How long is the flight? It's not long. To get to Lima from New York is eight hours. So from here, it's even shorter, I'm sure. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's really not bad. And he came down for two weeks,

the first day that he was, I was like, I wanna show you the start of the Amazon rainforest, which starts in the Andes Mountains. So we're in the western edge of the Amazon rainforest. And so you have these glacial peaks up at 17,000 feet. So I was like, Lex, I wanna take you up to 17,000 feet. I wanna go from source to river. And so his first day, he arrived,

and then we drove five hours, got to the base of this mountain, then we met up with these dudes that are experts, and they brought us up to the glacier, where we can't breathe. Wow. Yeah, it was, you're driving on roads where the cliff goes down a thousand feet.

Yeah, fuck all that, I've seen those roads. Fuck all that. And I opened the car door to try and goof around with Lex, to be like, oh, I'm with Lex Freeman right now in the thing, and I look over and I see the wheel go over the fucking edge and skid back on. Oh, it happens all the time. So yeah, we got out, we walked, we let the car,

I was like, look, the car drive, and then what we did was we took a rock and I was like, yo Lex, I was like, this would be us if the car flipped. And we threw a rock over the edge and this big rock was just spinning like this. And I was like, man, we would be chop meat by the bottom. So we got up to 70,000 feet, we saw the glacier. And whenever you

bring somebody to the jungle, the thing is you don't know, some people take to it, some people don't. Some people get to the jungle and like their skin doesn't react well to the bug bites. They're overwhelmed by the fact that they're far from everything. Lex's eyes lit up. Like I didn't know he had that setting. He walked into the jungle and was like, I like this. He got this grin on his face. He was just... Lex is a secret savage. Yeah, look at his face.

He wasn't fucking around. Yeah, he could live out there. Yeah, and if you notice, he came to the Amazon and he looked like Lex in his profile picture. And when he left the Amazon, he looked totally different. And that process is what happened. We, he said, you know, he's like, if I'm coming down, he's like,

I wanna do what you guys do. I wanna go on like a deep expedition. And so me and JJ, who's the guy I work with down there, the local indigenous Esiaha native, who is the reason that I do the work I do, I support his work. And so we said, okay, what are we gonna do? Let's find the wildest place we can think of. Let's think let's go way up our river

So we're ready like to if you take a boat from town It's two days deep into the jungle to get there by river. We said let's go five more hours upriver Leave the boat and then we're gonna go from our river up to this other tributary and it's like 20 miles I'm like 20 20 miles right and fuck has to be fine. We had our backpacks, machetes, we get off the boat. And Lex is all good to go. The first five minutes were out there. JJ machetes a branch that has wasps. Oh, God.

His whole head and neck gets surrounded by wasps. He gets 30 stings on him, he runs. And so right away we're like, oh, God, here we go. We had to use a stick to get his hat out from under where the wasps were attacking. We hike all day and here's the thing. You think it's the rainforest, there's gonna be water everywhere.

There's no water. So picture being in the sauna for eight hours straight and then no re-up on water. We drank all of our water thinking we're gonna find a stream. We didn't find a stream. We camped that night, like dry camp, nothing, fell asleep, woke up. We're like, we got to find water. And at this point Lex is-

How do you find water? Well, I mean, there should just be streams, right? This section- Were there that you just didn't run into or it's like- It was a weird section of forest. And this is integral to the whole story was that this part of the forest, unlike where we are, which is very, very flat and there's all these like little streams, they're clear. This came in an anaconda and then, but they're clear and the jungle works like the roots work like a huge filtering system. So you can drink that water right out of the streams where we were, it was up and down,

up and down, up and down. And so that's why we're sweating all day. We can't, we didn't have water. We start going the next day, no water. And Lex starts looking at me and he's like, dude, we can't keep doing this. We're slipping and sliding down slopes. We're hiking up slopes and just grabbing onto things. And when you grab onto trees in the Amazon, they have spikes on them. You're worried about stepping on venomous snakes.

You're worried about twisting an ankle. It was brutal travel, like level 10 hiking. And JJ made eye contact with me behind him and he was just going this is this is not good And so I think it was day three. We're what we're going and here we're in so a whole day without water at all We went with a whole day with no water whatsoever. And what's the temperature? 99 degrees full humidity. Oh my god, so you're like full dehydration. Yeah. Probably a little delirious.

Completely delirious, and so we're- Body's not working well. And you start making errors, right? You start taking bad steps, because you're tired, so you go, oh, I'll just step on this thing. And so you step on a root that goes down, you slide, you hit the ground.

You get tangled up in vines. We had pack rafts, there's this company, I'll pack our rafts, we had paddles sticking out of our backpacks that kept getting stuck on vines. And what happened though was, as we're going through this forest, we're going, God, this is so incredibly dense.

And I see this tree, this huge tree, the size of this room. And I go, JJ, what tree is that? And he smiles at me, teacher to student. And he goes, you know why you don't know what that is? He goes, you've never seen a mature mahogany tree because the lagers down there they took them all out. This forest has never been cut. Millions of years the Amazon rainforest forming geologically has never been cut. And so we're going through this forest we see jaguar tracks, ancient mahogany trees, we're seeing ironwood

trees, no one's been there. It's not even signs of uncontacted tribes. This is a forest that no one's been through. And's not even signs of uncontacted tribes. This is forests that no one's been through. And so right at the time, I remember we stopped for lunch, lunch, we stopped to eat the last food we have. And the problem that we were doing was, I had a compass and we were getting to the top of these hills. And you know, when you look on the ocean floor

and the sand makes like those geometric ripples and there's like, there's a pattern to it. And so we were coming to the top of a ridge line and we were like, we don't wanna go down again and we don't wanna hike up again. So we're staying on the ridge lines. And what that was doing was taking us a 30 degree tick to the, I think it was to the West.

But that, what that was doing though, was taking us about another 20 miles off course. So we had to hit the river here, but we were gonna hit over there. So we had to correct for course, we stopped, we were eating the last of the food we have. We drank water out of a puddle. I have a video and we're gonna release all this.

Do you have a pump? Do you have a filtration system? We went with nothing. We had our tents and our machetes. Oh, Jesus Christ. And I have a video of Lex and he's looking at this puddle. Why didn't you bring a stereo pen or something?

Cause I do everything with the local guys and they were just like, oh, it'll be fine. There'll be water. And we just, we didn't anticipate this happening. And I, I, Lex was crouched by this water, by this puddle with his backpack on. And he's like looking at the water and he looks at me and he goes, I'm going to drink it. And I said, do not drink that. I was like, please don't fucking drink that. And he goes, I'm gonna drink it. He goes, I don't care about anything else on earth right now except for water.

And I was like, please don't drink it. Jardie is no joke. Nope, we stopped for lunch. We- Did he drink it? He did not drink it. Wow. No, he, you know, I mean, we didn't want, because now we're going, if we get sick, we have no sat phone, no communication

to the outside world. We're at least 30 miles from the nearest river, let alone help. That's 100 miles away. Deep in the Amazon and the feeling of deep jungle, that feeling of wilderness. I know when you're elk hunting, I'm sure you know this when you're out there

and you get that feeling like this is out there. Yeah, uncaring. Uncaring, yeah, you start like the ocean where it's like it doesn't matter. It's almost like lonely. It's very even when you with people press on you we started getting quiet like we weren't having like an awesome time we were we were feeling it and so we ate like some nuts and and we had nothing to wash it down with so we're just chewing on it and we got up and then we took a few

steps and all of a sudden everything changed We came out onto a road and it's a logging road. And JJ's face fell, I was heartbroken, Lex looked confused. What we realized was in this ancient patch of forest, the progression of the metastasizing destruction that's moving through the Amazon forest comes in roads. This road, somebody had just cut a road and they hadn't cut the ancient mahogany trees and they hadn't cut the ironwood trees and the wildlife was untouched, but there's a road. So they're coming.

We used the road, we hiked out, we reached water. And this is amazing when we reached water because we just plunged into this river, we were drinking. We did have some iodine tablets. We put that in our water bottles. We drank as much as we were drinking. We did have some iodine tablets. We put that in our water bottles. We drank as much as we wanted to. And then we had to raft for an entire day back to the place where we got picked up. But what happened was that now we know, and this is on our river, this is where we're trying to create this

corridor with jungle keepers, now we know that some of the most ancient forests on earth is about to be destroyed. And we get back to our base, to our research station, and it just so happens that there was a client there and he was staying in that treehouse, the Alta Sanctuary treehouse. And we tell him this whole story and we're drinking and we're eating and we're all sunburnt and bug-bitten and dehydrated and our cheeks are stuck to our skulls. And we tell him this whole story and we go, it's gonna be brutal watching this, you know, dismantled. And he goes, well, I wanna help. He goes, find out how we get that land.

And it hadn't really occurred to me that we could do anything about it. And this dude, this guy's name is Jay, and he said, he goes, I'll start you off. He goes, whatever the land costs, I'll give you 150 grand. Do a fundraiser, put it public, and try and get matching donations and talk to the lagers. So while we set up the fundraiser, JJ, local, called up his friends who happen to own that land. His friends don't want the land. They're contracting it to lagers to get the trees out to make some money so

they could just sell it off. We put it up on Instagram. We raised $150,000 in 48 hours, talked to the loggers, bought the land, and then the craziest part is that when we went there, we physically, with all the directors of Drone Keepers, we went to the land and the Peruvians, the Peruvian directors sat down with the loggers and they were like, look, we own this land now. It's for conservation. We're going to save this forest. And the loggers went, that's fine, but can we still work here? And we went, what? And they said, we do this because we love it. And we went, what?

They said, yeah, can we just be rangers? Like we see you have rangers, could we be rangers? And we were like, yeah, you could be rangers. Yeah, you could be rangers. These dudes are over here destroying the thing they love because they have no other opportunity. So the fact that this is, that we now have this global network of people that care.

The local people in the Amazon rainforest are trying to protect the Amazon. And now we have all these people all over the world because of stuff like this, because of all the work that we've been doing, that people know that they just, you know, we have people that give $5, $10, $100 a month. We have this huge network of donors

and now we're able to get those wins. We see a threatened patch of forest, boom, we grab it. Hire the loggers as rangers, everybody wins and we're saving forest. This year, since the last time I saw you, we went from 55,000 acres to almost 100,000 acres. That's one third of the way to protecting the 300,000 acres that we have to protect.

So we're one third of the way through the goal. Wow. That's all been happening in the last month and a half. That's incredible. Miracles. So are you, when you're navigating, you're not using GPS, you're just using a compass? Yeah. Why?

Uh, commitment. What? Because, look, so I actually- When you want the best tools for the job? I agree with you, and if you're in a really... So when we go out to really remote places, when you just cannot fuck around, yes, we do bring, like, a Garmin GPS, and we have the map.

Well, that sounds like you cannot fuck around if you guys are without water for two days. We thought we were gonna go in the forest and go on a walk. 20 miles isn't... A 20-mile hike is nothing. We do that every day. We did not on a walk 20 miles isn't 20 mile hike is nothing we do that every day We did not the reason this forest hadn't been cut was because it was up and down and up and down and denser than all The other forest because it's fucking ancient and so we discovered it and how hard it was and that's where I'm going Holy shit. We brought Lex Friedman out here. He's gonna die and he's gonna die of dehydration and he was looking at me I mean there's so many times during the trip where he looked at me and you could just tell he was like fuck you

Dude, just just fuck you man. What how do you find water? You just stumble upon it? I mean from from our base you walk five minutes back into the jungle and there's a beautiful clear stream And I drink straight out of the stream. No problem now I wouldn't for someone that comes to the jungle I wouldn't say just start doing that so like take a sip the first day see how your stomach goes. I've been down there 20 years, so I'm fine So is it just your gut bacteria changes? Is that what it is? I mean some people you take them, you know, you go to Italy and they get sick, you know But like, you know, it's like people fragile folk fragile folk

You know sunscreen and bug spray but we Somebody said that too because I posted a video of me drinking like monkey head soup and coffee out of a bowl. What? Monkey head soup? We went with the locals before everybody, all the PETA people freak out.

I don't care, freak out. When you live with the locals, when you went in Rome, you know, if you go to someone's house and they're local, they eat monkeys. And so we were on a beach and some of the local guys hunted monkeys And so we woke up in the morning and they heated up the food and what we had was bowl coffee because we didn't bring cups We're on a canoe right you just bring you cut your toothbrush in half to save weight and So I posted it and I was like here's because everybody messages me going

You know how do I get your job? And I was like here's one reason why you fucking don't want my job and think you do monkey head monkey head soup And what does monkey head soup taste like? Exactly what you think At the same time, it's not as bad as you think monkey tastes like monkeys though, right? They love monkeys part of the conservation strategy is just like, you know Just just like we have deer tags to make sure that there's continually deer, for local indigenous communities, they want to keep eating monkeys. They love monkeys.

Really? Yeah. So they want to keep the monkey population manageable? Is that the idea? And they want to eat them. Eventually, yes. And so I would say it's kind of colonialist conservation to come in there and go, well, you can't eat monkeys because we think you can't.

But then you go trout fishing and deer hunting. That doesn't make any sense. Right, but it's like monkeys are too closely related to us. It's like the people that, this is one thing that I've noticed, people that get upset about hunting don't necessarily get upset about fishing or don't get upset about a piece of fish. Like if you put a plate of salmon,

oh, this is my lunch today, everybody's like, oh, that's healthy. Salmon. Yeah, but if you have a plate of salmon, you know, like, oh, this is my lunch today, everybody's like, oh, that's healthy. Salmon. Yeah, but if you have a picture of a salmon, people get a little upset. But if you have like a steak, people don't get too upset, but if you have like a dead deer, people get very upset. And forget, yeah.

I mean, it's very weird. So I disconnected. I think yesterday, sometime this week, I posted a video, we were out and I was with, with again some much again good natives and we caught a yellow catfish and their daughter who's three three and a half years old Now you're out somewhere where there's no refrigeration. You have a two-hour boat ride back What do you do you put the fish in the bottom of the boat with a little bit of water and you let it stay alive? Right just enough to keep its gills going until you get back because if you kill it as soon as you catch it Yeah, and so this girl picked up the scent the the fish and she's and she's hugging it

You the comments on this the vegans went crazy people like I'm unfollowing you that's disgusting This girl's excited because she's gonna eat she lives out in the jungle eating nothing but rice and yucca Like if she didn't get that fish, she's gonna get malnutrition Yeah, well people are just so accustomed to supermarkets They're just they're so delusional about where your food comes from It's a it's a fascinating thing and vegans are probably the worst at it because they really if they really on the ground level Understood monocrop agriculture, which is what supplies most of your food. They would be horrified Agriculture which is what supplies most of your food they would be horrified

They'd be horrified at industrial pesticides and herbicides and all the shit that we put in the soil and how you know how many? Small animals get murdered in the process. It's well you got a clear space for a farm Okay, you not only have to clear space you have to kill groundhogs and ground squirrels and and anything that's in the way anything That's gonna eat your crops. Well, in the jungle, that's what they're doing. All this burning, all this Amazon fires shit that goes on every year is people coming in and 60% of it is for beef, but the other percent of it is for papaya and corn and cacao. I see a lot of stuff where they're like, oh, sustainable cacao from the Amazon. I'm like, how is it sustainable cacao from the Amazon?

You cut down an ecosystem in trees that have thousands of species living on them. Right. It's not. And so. Not sustainable. Sustainable is one of those words, like organic. People like to throw it around. Just slap it on the package. I mean, that's like that APL stuff, they call that organic.

You know what that is? No. It's this coating that they put on vegetables and fruit to keep it from going bad. The wax? Well, it's some weird, what's the ingredients of Apeel? See, like part of it is quote unquote organic, but they don't tell you what the actual ingredients are. Apeel is a plant-based coating

that's applied to fruits and vegetables to help them stay fresh longer. Seems normal, right? Like, yeah, it's plant-based. But what's in there? It's commonly found in organic apples, but you're supposed to wash it off with soap and water. Like, we were reading that if you have an avocado, what... So we're in Elk Camp and we're reading about this stuff. Because we had Starlink. Starlink is fucking amazing. That's how we do it.

Dude, it's like the size of this cigar box. I know. And you put it down on the ground and you get fucking high speed internet in the middle of nowhere. So we were reading that, they were saying that to take it off of avocados, you dunk the avocado in boiling water for 10 seconds

and then rinse it off. Like, what are you talking about? What's in this stuff? Also, nobody knows that. I don't know that. Right, of course. So I come up here, I'm eating that shit? Exactly.

Most people are just gonna eat the apple. They're not gonna wash it off with soap and water. But the thing is, like, they're saying it's plant-based and organic. That's the thing, like, sustainable. These words that people use that make you feel okay About what's going on, but I mean I don't even know what the fuck is in there Brush

Scrub your apples video what the fuck are you talking about? Why are you putting something on the Apple that I need to scrub? It says only you can only remove it 100% by peeling it off. Oh my god But I don't know that's okay. Of an apple? Because apples like you want to eat this. Click on that how to wash remove a peel coating vegetable coating. Let's see if we can watch a video. It'll show us how to do it. Let's go with the first one that ladies. She's so she's peeling it. Yeah Why do you peel produce but isn't a lot of the nutrients in the slide wax and peel

So this is different though. This is wax. Yeah, this is that's carton uber wax That's like normal, but appeal is a new product and it's one of those. Yeah. Okay. Let's see what this lady has to talk Let's talk about appeal. I don't like her earrings, but let's listen to her and reduce the use of plastic. This compound uses plant material to make monoglycerides and diglycerides aka fats a fat coating on fruits and vegetables The intent less plastic amazing longer shelf life fabulous Plastic. Amazing. Longer shelf life. Fabulous. Fabulous. Human cost. What human cost? These fats are extracted from plants using ethyl acetate and heptane. In the chemical process to make these fats they add ingredients that contain heavy metals. Oh great. Not all fats that come from plants are safe for human consumption. Generally speaking, olive oil comes from plants and it's healthy. Canola oil, rapeseed oil, cottonseed oil are fats that come from plants but not healthy. They cause a lot of inflammation.

It all depends on how the fats were extracted and how the chemical compound was created. At this time there's no human trials to show what happens to humans who consume fruits and vegetables with a peel on them on a regular basis. Oh great. Keep going. Yeah, why would there be human trials on something that people eat? And it's all over supermarkets. But there's a lot of stuff coming out right now about the safety of our food.

Oh yeah. I keep hearing about this. It keeps showing up. Yeah. Well there was a big hearing in front of the Senate that Brigham Bueller who was on yesterday, he was talking about it in front of all these representatives and they're trying to explain what the system is and how fucked it is and how there's most of these European countries and Canada, there's a lot of ingredients that particularly dies that we use. He was talking about how lucky charms that you buy in America You can't sell it in Canada They have to sell a completely different lucky charms in Canada because Canada doesn't allow all these dyes

Because the super bright color thing yeah, yeah, those are toxic dyes, and we allow them Because we want people to and there's also a bunch of other ingredients that make the food more addictive Those are in our food supplies, and some of them are illegal in other countries. It's not good, and it seems like, the way he was describing it, it's like the FDA is just completely overwhelmed. And then there's companies that are just pushing

this stuff through, and it's kind of like, the way we described it yesterday, it's like a hoarder's house. Like, how do you clean this up it yesterday, it's like a hoarder's house. Like how do you clean this up? Like you get into a hoarder's house, you're like, oh God, where do we fucking start? That's what our food system's like. Our food system's like a hoarder's house. Well, I heard that guy, I don't remember his name, he's a venture capitalist. In the last week, you guys were talking about, he was saying that when he travels abroad, he can eat whatever he wants. And then when he comes back to the US

He puts on weight. Yes, and those Chamath. Yeah. Yeah, that was a great one He was he was incredibly intelligent and and then I was looking up something something else popped up where they were saying that the bread In in like subway sandwiches is considered cake in Europe. Yeah, because of the sugar content Yeah, some countries consider it cake because it's it's mostly it's like it's fucking It's bullshit. Yeah, we have bullshit food and you know, I don't eat most of that stuff but if you do you're gonna be really unhealthy and most people aren't educated, you know, it took me a long time to understand this stuff and Mostly I mean I tried to eat healthy before that but mostly through the podcast and talking to people getting an

understanding of how bad the stuff really is for you and then experimenting with diet and watching how much better my body felt and Seeing my friends who don't do it and they just look like hell and you're mostly carnivore now Yeah, yeah, mostly fruits and mostly meat and fruits Yeah, I mean I hardly eat any vegetables at all. But I don't avoid them. Like if I go out to dinner and I want to have a Caesar salad or something, I'll eat it. It doesn't seem to bother me. But what does seem to bother me is pasta.

Pasta and breads really hit home. They really wreck me. But not in Europe. Went to Italy last summer, had pasta, had pizza, no problem at all. But why? I don't understand why. There's a bunch of things that we do. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. explained a lot of it.

So did Gary Brekka. He explained a lot of it. One of them is enriched flour, what's so-called enriched flour. It contains a bunch of chemicals like folic acid and a bunch of shit your body has a hard time digesting. It's also they use heirloom wheat in Italy and heirloom wheat is the original wheat. What we did was we changed wheat to make higher yield so that a smaller piece of land, you can get more wheat out of it. So because of that, it has more complex glutens, makes it more difficult for your body to process.

And then on top of that, the big one may be, there's a lot of speculation about this, but there's some serious evidence that most people who eat the common American diet, what was it, the number of the people that had Roundup in their system. So glyphosate. What? Yeah, glyphosate is a really powerful pesticide that they spray on all kinds of different plants. And I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of people tested had glyphosate in their system.

Roundup. Yeah. So stuff you spray to just kill everything. Exactly. And it's illegal in some countries and should be illegal in America. But the problem is if you make it illegal, how are these monocrop agriculture companies going to function? Okay, it's 80%.

That's 87% of children. 87% of children. So this is 2022. I would imagine this goes up every year. 80% of Americans have Roundup in their urine. That is so crazy. That's so dangerous. That's terrifying.

And it's also fairly new in terms of human history. I mean, I think Roundup is only been around since the is it the 90s When did roundup when did glyphosate started becoming ubiquitous on? on crops It's fucking dangerous man Because we're rolling the dice a lot of the stuff that people eat Causes long-term health consequences.

And so when you're dealing with short-term stuff, like stuff that's only been around for five, six years, it takes a long time before you figure out what's happening. So 74 Roundup, which contains active ingredients glyphosate, was first introduced to commercial agriculture in 74. So scroll down so we can see like when it like ramps up. So 74. Okay. It wasn't widely used until 96.

That's what I read. So Monsanto began selling genetically modified seeds that were resistant to Roundup. Just a lot of farmers to spray their entire crop beds with Roundup without risking losing their crops. It's an herbicide, right? Yeah. Okay. Not a pesticide, an herbicide.

But it's fucking terrible for you, terrible. And 80% of people have it in their blood. Roundup, microplastics, DDT. Yeah. And then, what was it, I think it was during the gold rush times that everybody was using lead to replug cans after they opened them, and then thousands of people died from lead poisoning

before they figured it out. Shane Gillis has a great joke about George Washington George Washington's dentures were made out of lead. That's why George Washington was such a fucking psycho Poisoning he wasn't brave. He was just insane I read that when they were talking about the amount of plastic that people find like in most men have about the amount of plastic that people find. Like most men have plastic in their sperm, plastic in their testicles, you have plastic in your brain. And a lot of that plastic is the plastic that's derived from PVC.

So it's coming from water pipes. I thought our water pipes are metal. Some water pipes are metal, but when I used to do construction, we did a lot of houses where they used PVC pipes. Yeah, see this is a lot of PVC pipes underneath kitchen sinks and stuff. So all that stuff, when water's going through that, you're picking up these little particles of plastic. And those little particles of plastic, you cook your food in it, you drink a glass of

water from the tap, all that stuff is getting you plastic. And then there's cooking in microwave, you feel like one of those things you lift up And you have a piece of plastic over the lid and you cook microwave with that and it's in a plastic bowl. That's all Fucking getting into your body. That's all getting in your blood Well, I I scared myself with that because we had plastic cups on an expedition and we boiled coffee and then I poured it Into the plastic cup and I was like, oh it's like we gotta stop doing this So we started bringing like metal and glass cups on obviously they make stuff for campers you can get you know and that's why we

switched these steel cups here we used to just go through so many bottles of water I was like this is fucked so we bought a filtration system and you know and started using steel cups but it's like our this whole thing in America One of the things we talked about yesterday with Brigham is the make America healthy again movement Which is Robert Kennedy jr. And a bunch of other folks that are involved in this and it's exciting That this is gaining steam because people are concerned about their health and they all concerned about All the different chemicals that are in your fucking food But the problem is now that's been attached to right-wing their health and they're all concerned about all the different chemicals that are in your fucking food.

But the problem is now that's been attached to right-wing ideology. So people are calling people that are interested in that far-right people and it's just- If you're worried about food safety? Yeah, it's nuts, man. But it's just because it's attached to Trump. It's because the Trump administration, you know, make America great again and also make America healthy again with Robert Kennedy Jr. He's involved in that.

So people are just labeling that as some sort of alt-right fuckery and woo woo bullshit. And it's not, it's fucking dangerous for all of us. We really need to wake up. Isn't it also true though that in America, at least like the poorest people are usually the ones with the worst diets? Absolutely.

So I mean, like you've naturally progressed towards going, okay, so I eat elk and I eat vegetables and I care about where I get my stuff from, but people that aren't able to make that decision, that would seem to me, there's certain things where you go, shouldn't we all agree on this? Yeah.

You know, food safety, shouldn't we just all agree with this? I don't understand. Yeah, it shouldn't be political at all. How that becomes political. When it comes to nature conservation, I never understood how that, you know I never understood how that you know I'm like all these things can be solved and this is what's fucked it's like we have so much money to solve other countries problems and we don't have any money to solve our own health problems that's very strange it's it's very short-sighted and very bizarre and we need to do something about it when we need

to do something about it now it's just It's really scary when you think that this, if this unchecked happens, these corporations will continue to sell you things that are very bad for you if they're profitable, as long as they're not penalized for it and I guarantee you, those people that know that, the people that are, they probably don't eat any of that shit. Well, it's like Steve Jobs, I don't know if it's true. Yeah, the Steve Jobs wouldn't give his kids. Yeah screens. Yeah

They know people you go to restaurants You see little kids with an iPad sitting on a tray just standing there so their parents can have a conversation the kids just like Hypnotized dude, but some fucking cartoon kids are swiping before they're talking. Oh, you know this motion. Oh, yeah I got that finger out. Yeah, they try to do it to magazines ever see a little I saw a kid try to expand a magazine I Think I did that once I was just hanging out with a baby And I was like look at this picture and I showed him a book and he put his hands on it and he went What and I was like nah, it doesn't work like I went I think I almost did that once I think I looked at a magazine. I brought my hand up, what the fuck are you doing?

Yeah, my thing is, the worst thing that I've done recently is I didn't have, I start doing activities without my phone on me. And I went for a run and I saw something cool and I was like, oh, I need to take a picture of that. And I was like, how? The idea that I couldn't take a picture of something had become something that I forgot about.

I take a picture of everything. I probably take 400 pictures a day. I'm like, I like that logo, bang. I like that street, bang. It's cool to be able to do it, but now we're also inundated with images all over the world. And a lot of them are horrific events, which is the things that people

are trying to capture the most. So it's like every day, like what's going on today? Like there's right now Iran is bombing Israel. So there's missiles, do you know about this? Nope. It's fucking terrifying, dude. It's on like Donkey Kong right now. See if you can get some of the footage.

Iran is launching hundreds of missiles at Israel and there was a mass shooting, some sort of a terror attack in Tel Aviv today as well. So there's some sort of coordinated attack on Israel. Obviously Israel just did that stuff with Hezbollah where they blew up the pagers and blew up walkie talkies and killed a bunch of people and then shot a bunch of bombs into Lebanon and it's all getting very, very scary. It's all ramping up in a fucking terrifying way.

But this video, it also shows that the Iron Dome, Israel's famous missile defense system, it doesn't seem to be catching all of them. If you have enough launched your way at the same time, some of them are going to sneak through. So this is what it looks like right now. It's fucking crazy. I mean if you have enough launched your way at the same time some of them are gonna sneak through So this is what it looks like right now. It's fucking crazy. These are all missiles man flying At Israel she's Yeah, it's fucking terrifying and the Iron Dome I mean isn't even the best video the video that I was seeing was them impacting and

And the Iron Dome is basically a system to shoot them out of the sky? Yes. So this is where you see the Iron Dome is working. So when they blow up, that's the Iron Dome. So what it is, is they find the trajectory of these missiles, the ones that are going to open area, they let them slip through because it's not going to harm anything. And then like those, those are hitting down. But the ones that are going into the city area they shoot down and you know I'm I don't know how

many missiles they have to do this I mean you'd have to have fucking thousands on standby because if they just launch enough at you you're not gonna have enough missiles it's like it's a 180 ballistic missiles. Wow. You imagine being in a city and you see 180 missiles coming at you. I don't know how people live continuously in areas where there's war zones. Like I know like my friend Matt Gutman from ABC News, like he works there and I've seen him running through the streets and doing that hard hitting stuff. But there's also just people getting their groceries. Yeah. No, like, yeah, man, this happens every day. Like, I have friends that live in Israel. Human beings are very adaptable, unfortunately.

Well, fortunately, because that's why we're still here, but unfortunately, we get accustomed to some pretty horrific conditions, and that's what people are accustomed to. I mean, imagine living in Gaza. Imagine that. Mm-mm. You were living in a place where literally a year ago today it was fine, it was normal. And then now it's rubble and there's tens of thousands of people dead.

And that's an example of what you're saying about seeing these images all the time. I remember when that popped off and I'm a big believer in, you pick one thing that for most people, unless you're, you know, Elon or somebody that can have a bunch of different things going on, but for most of us you got to live your life and you got to pick one thing that for most people, unless you're, you know, Elon or somebody that can have a bunch of different things going on, but for most of us, you gotta live your life and you gotta pick one thing that you can help from a lot of people that say that's your family. For me, I've dedicated myself to protecting the Amazon. When it comes to everything else,

like when I start opening my phone, I remember this. I was at my friend's house and it was seven o'clock in the morning and I opened my phone and it was a picture of a guy lifting his dead baby with a crushed skull. And I threw my phone across the room, and it ruined my whole day. And how, like, I, it's absolutely horrific.

And I have become a person that really shields myself from a lot of what's going on because the hysteria levels right now. I don't think, like even World War II times, they go, okay, Pearl Harbor just hit off, and people are like, wow, this is crazy. But I don't think you were inundated with it all day long. You read the newspaper, you talked to a few people,

and then you're like, all right, well, cool, I gotta go get Johnny from school, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right, you didn't see it on your phone 24-7 all day long. Israel's popping off, the South is getting flooded, you know, the Amazon's burning, everything is happening all at once and it's all coming through on the screen. So this says Iran launches missile attack on Israel, but Israeli military says no casualties reported.

So I guess that, that was the thing that we're saying that the Iron Dome, when they know that something's going to go to an open area where there's no one there. They don't even bother wasting a missile on that. A US defense official said the United States intercepted some of the missiles to help defend Israel. So we're over there too doing that. The IDF is doing and will do everything necessary to protect the civilians of the state of Israel. The Israeli military said in a statement, warning people in the country to stay in shelters. The explosions you hear originate from interceptions or falls of missiles.

The air defense system detects and intercepts threats all the time. So what happened in Tel Aviv today, Jamie? There was some sort of mass shooting in Tel Aviv that coincided with this, which is really scary. You know, it's like what they experienced on October 7th. Okay, fucking ads. At least eight dead and suspected terror attack shooting in Tel Aviv. So they even, oh, so Jesus Christ. Let's scroll down to that image.

So some dudes just gunning people down. Scroll up. Deadlier deal unfolded when two gunmen jumped off a train in central Israeli city of Jaffa and started firing at just 7 p.m. local, just after 7 p.m. local time according to authorities. Eight killed, at least seven wounded. And you know, a lot of people, look at that guy's dead right there. A lot of people there are armed too, which is fucking crazy. With the fucking no with an AR off a rifle sling yeah There's like a bunch of videos of them because so many of these people you have mandatory military service in Israel Yeah, that is so all the civilians have to

There's no civilians like everyone is at least a former soldier. You got to be ready, right? Yeah, you have to be like I saw shit like that guys walking on the street with machine guns hot girls with machine guns How nuts but that's just the world they live in it's like and they're just hanging out. Yep. There's a baby, right? I mean look she has like cute shoes on it's like at any moment It could pop off and so they don't fuck around they just stay strapped. They don't just stay strapped They stay strapped with fucking weapons of war those are those are yeah, those are no joke that ain't a shooter No, she's got a gigantic magazine. She's probably got spare magazines.

Yeah, and she probably knows how to shoot it. She was in the military. You think you know how to use it? Yeah. So it's men and women, men and women. Oh yeah. Yeah, women have to join the Israeli military as well. Look, they're surrounded.

I mean, this is something that's very different. It's very different than us. Well, I think that one of the problems that I see with us is I think that people have forgotten, like I grew up with the World War II generation. All my old uncles said that as growing up, Polly, like, you know, these are guys that had, you know, either stormed beaches in the South Pacific

or were in Europe, and so World War II was fresh on their minds, it was part of the culture I grew up in. And I think when I look at kids born, you know, 9-11 and down or later, I think we've forgotten the fact that safety is a huge privilege. Oh yeah.

We grow up safe. Like some of the people, the things that they're screaming about or worried about or whatever else, it's like some unity would happen from remembering the fact that that's a reality. That we could be in danger. Well, we've had so few attacks on American soil. You know, you have Pearl Harbor, would happen from remembering the fact that that's a reality. We've had so few attacks on American soil.

You know, you have Pearl Harbor, which is kind of America. You know, Hawaii should be its own country. I mean, it's kind of fucked that we own Hawaii. I mean, I guess it's good that Hawaii gets the protections of the United States, but it's kind of crazy that it's five hours by airplane rather by airplane over the ocean in the middle until you get to Hawaii And that's considered America, but I mean, I don't know how they feel about it. I'm assuming they'd probably like to have sovereignty But the the point is like that was World War two so that was Pearl Harbor. That's an attack on American soil What's that? What's after that? It's 9-11. That's crazy.

Like, we are so used to being safe. Whereas you think of even Russia. What Russia went through, the losses that Russia went through during World War II, absolutely fucking horrific. And they've done that throughout history. There's been conflicts throughout history in Russia. Now you go into any other part of the world. I saw something terrible today. Some fucking workers at the

Great Wall of China, they didn't want to go the long way around the wall, so they broke down a section of the Great Wall of China so they could drive through it. Did they have machinery? Did they have sledgehammers? Yeah, they were doing fucking construction work out there. So they just broke down a great wall. Jail. Oh, they're going to get worse than jail. China.

Yeah. They're going to turn you into a fucking suitcase. I mean, that's terrible. Like, you know, they'll fucking make you make iPhones for 20 years, and then they're going to turn you into a jacket. That's terrible It's fucking horrible, man. It's and it's it's People are just so gross like imagine that that mahogany tree that you saw like look at these assholes They broke through the Great Wall

Chinese construction workers accused of plowing a hole through the Great Wall Monsters dude this reminds me there was a there was, I hated this story, there was a beautiful tree between these two hills, I think it was in the UK or Ireland, I think it was the UK, and like a 16 year old went out with a chainsaw and just cut this tree down. It was this iconic tree, and no one could figure it out for like two days, and he just went and cut it down, and it's just like, man, just, just tough.

Yeah, people are gross, people are gross, and people are also very short-sighted, and sometimes don't even understand the consequences of what they're doing. They just do things. Normally, I would agree with you. I think the world that I've been living in the past year, I've been in rooms and out in the wild with so many incredible people and And I think that more than ever, people, I agree,

we're moments away from disaster in any given capacity, but there's also, we're also alive at a time in history where people are more considerate than they've ever been. Yeah, I think so too. Right? Yeah, I think there's just, you're gonna get everything, right? You're gonna get people that are willing

to launch missiles at Israel. You're gonna get people that are willing to chop down ancient mahogany trees, and then you get people like you that dedicate your life to saving the rainforest. It's one of the cool things about people because it makes people like you so much more exceptional. It makes people so much more interesting because it's rare, and then someone dedicating their entire life to doing what you've done is even more rare. And that's part of the cool thing about people. I think, and it's a horrible thing to say,

but I think it's unfortunately true, you need evil to appreciate good. You need hate to appreciate love. It's just a part of the way the human mind and our just overall psychology and there's the way we operate in the world. It's unfortunate, but it's a part of being a person and I think hate and anger and destruction actually motivates love and

construction and progress and doing things correct and Recognizing what can happen if you do things the wrong way. Let's do things the right way It's like organic farming like people changing their farms to regenerative agricultural farms is coming out of people who are looking at these industrial monocrop agriculture farms and the waste that it produces, which is legal. The waste that it produces in river systems is fucking insane. There's a guy that we've had on, his name is Will Harris, and Will is from this farm in Georgia called White Oaks Pastures. It's a regenerative farm.

He got this farm, it's a family-owned farm, they've had it forever, and it took him years to change this farm from an industrial farm to regenerative agriculture. But there's a section of the river near his property where his property line meets his neighbor. So his neighbor has an industrial farm and he has regenerative agriculture. And you can see it in the river, there's a clear line of differentiation.

Look at that. I'm guessing his is the clear one? Yes. Shit. All that stuff. So most of these farmlands The topsoil is gone. Yes, no. There's whoa Jesus. There's no minerals. There's no nutrients. There's no nothing and so you have to use Industrial strength fertilizers you have to lose all this garbage and bullshit And so that stuff it just sits on the top.

And so when the rain comes, and when they spray the crops and water the crops, the runoff goes right in the river. So these poor fish are just getting fucking choked to death on all this shit, and then there's the pesticides and the herbicides and whatever the fuck they're spraying. And this guy's trying to turn it around. He's trying to do the right thing.

That's not Will. Okay. I don't know who that gentleman is. I think he works with Will. But he's explaining how bad the situation is that comes off of these other farms. So the left is what the creek's supposed to look like. The right is what happens. And no consequences.

You should be in trouble for this, right? If you like, hey, you can't run your farm this way. Like is this what happens when you run your farm this way? Stop the farm. Okay, we got to figure out how to do this the right way. Is there a way to for your water to look like the water is six inches away? Is there a way? Well, that's the only way you can make farming. So in Russia, organic, like they don't even allow genetically modified crops anymore. Really?

No, no, Putin is like, this is bullshit. Like this should be illegal. When you're a dictator, you can do stuff like that. But that's a fundamental thing, you know, if you go to a building with a sledgehammer or to the Great Wall of China and you start messing with it, you're gonna get in trouble.

Yes. And it seems like you can cut down forests, pollute the rivers, dump shit in the ocean, and for the most part, it's OK. Yeah. No one's really going to come after you. And we can do a lot less of that, too, if we... Here's another issue.

Commoditizing hemp. A lot of the stuff that we cut trees down for is paper. Paper... hemp. A lot of the stuff that we cut trees down for is paper. Paper, let's Google in America how many acres of trees are cut down every year for paper. So the demonization of the recreational drug cannabis came entirely from hemp the commodity. It wasn't about the drug being bad. No, people had consumed that drug for thousands of years. It's one of the safest drugs in terms of risk profile.

The LD50 of marijuana is nuts. You'd live. What's the LD50? LD50 is lethal dose at 50%. Is that, can you lethal dose yourself with marijuana? I used to have a joke about it, like the only way you die from marijuana is if they drop a bundle of it from a CIA drug plan

and it hits you in the head. You can do stupid things that could wind up getting killed. You can abuse everything, right? You certainly abuse marijuana. And by the way, I wanna say, marijuana's not totally safe. Everybody thinks it's totally safe. No, it's not. There's certain people that have a tendency towards schizophrenia and high dose marijuana

has been proven to cause schizophrenic breaks in people. Alex Berenson wrote a book about it. It's called Tell Your Children, and I agree with him. I've met people that have had schizophrenic breaks for marijuana. 40% of the world's industrial logging goes into making paper. This is expected to reach 50% in the near future. US uses approximately 68 million trees each year to produce paper and paper products. Worldwide consumption of paper has risen by 400% in the last 40 years, with 35% of the

harvested trees being used for paper manufacture. That's crazy. Crazy. of trees being used for paper manufacture. That's crazy, crazy. And you're saying hemp could grow faster, kind of like bamboo could grow faster. That's actually renewable. Yeah. Like that term that people like to throw around,

renewable, that's actually renewable. It grows like a weed because it kind of is a weed. My friend Todd used to have like a stalk of a mature hemp plant on his desk. And it's about this thick around. If that was a piece of oak, it would be really heavy. But it's hard like this table, which is oak, but it's light. Like Styrofoam.

It's light like balsa wood, but it's hard. So it has incredible power in its fibers. Its fibers are extremely unusual. So they make the most durable clothing, like canvas. The word canvas comes from cannabis. But is this weed itself? Like if you have a weed plant, it's not the same thing. You can, it's the same thing.

But you can also grow strains of it that are not psychoactive at all. It's just a similar, same family. Exactly. So they weren't growing it as a commodity for drug consumption. They were growing it to make paper. See, this is what happened. I'm taking you down the dark conspiracy of Marijuana Road. What happened is, in the 1930s, they invented a machine called the decorticator. And what the decorticator did was it allowed you to effectively process hemp fiber easily

and quickly. So when Eli Whitney came out with the cotton gin, now all of a sudden cotton became a very easy cloth to use and people started wearing cotton ubiquitously, right? Well, what they used to use was hemp, because hemp is way more durable. I mean, crazy difference. Like I have a hemp jujitsu gi made by Datsusara, and you can't rip this motherfucker.

Like you grab it, and I've had one, one of my gi's is like eight years old. But if I have a cotton gi eight years in, that shit's torn apart. So the only thing that goes on those things are the threads and you know I don't even I guess you can make hemp threads I don't even know if they do but the point is it's like far more durable as a paper it's a far superior paper far superior like it's much tougher it's tough to like I've had hemp paper demonstrated to me like it's hard to rip, man.

Crazy, it's weird. It's a fucking alien plant, it really is. And when they invented this Decorticator, well William Randolph Hearst, who also owned Hearst Publications, who also own paper mills. And Scientific America had on the cover of their magazine, Hemp, the new billion dollar crop.

And it showed a decorticator to them. It was all when they invented this thing. So the propaganda to stop the industry of hemp from exploding. DuPont came out with a chemical composition for nylon. They were going to use nylon for ropes. Hemp is what they always use for ropes. Hemp is what they use for sales. So that's a decorticator.

That looks like a modern one. It doesn't look too complicated either. Well, it's basically like a wheel with some teeth to it and it grinds the shit out of the hemp. And what they used to use back in the day was slave labor. So slave labor and poor people would have to do all this incredibly back-breaking work to break down the fibers because they're so tough and durable. Well then they invented this machine and once this machine got rolling they're like, oh shit, let's start using hemp because it's way better. So all this forest cutting down shit is completely unnecessary. And it's because a paper guy wanted it. 100%

Completely unnecessary and it's because a paper guy wanted 100% and a paper guy in the 1930s And so he got together with Harry Anslinger and they utilized all these people that they were using to make alcohol illegal the probe Excuse me the prohibitionists during the time where they were going after you know whiskey Manufacturers and gin makers and these was moonshine, which is where NASCAR came from, by the way. NASCAR came out of moonshiners. Driving quick. Yeah, they needed a souped up car. So they took those people who were just arresting people

all over the country for alcohol, and then they sicked them on marijuana. And marijuana was never the term for cannabis. Marijuana was a slang term for a wild Mexican tobacco. A totally different plant. So William Randolph Hearst starts printing articles in his paper about Mexicans and black guys who are smoking this new drug marijuana

and raping white women. And then they fund Reefer Madness, and they fund these movies, these propaganda films. And that's where that comes from. Marijuana, cigarettes. It all comes from hemp. It all comes from the commodity, from them having this interest in paper. Research suggests that hemp is twice as effective as trees at absorbing and locking up carbon. So hemp is one of the fastest growing plants in the world, can grow four meters high in a hundred days. So in a hundred days, you have a new crop.

It's the best fucking thing we can grow for paper which is 40% of all the trees we're chopping down. And it takes forever. You've ever been to old growth forests in like the Pacific Northwest where they do logging? Well, you've been to the Amazon you've seen though the worst Slash and burn are but but the point is if you go to these cut places these places where they cut the trees They grow new trees. They plant new trees there, but it takes forever It takes I mean a so called Sequoia tree howls of redwoods of years thousands of years There's I see those pictures that I can't remember this dude's name He played he takes a picture with the trees before the lagers come through and I mean trees, you know

Double the size. Yes, and then he has this picture with the tree after and it's a fucking heart. It's a horrible It's hard. It's it's horrible that we can just walk up to something That's a thousand years old and make a fucking basket out of it. Like this is unnecessary. It's totally unnecessary. Yep. And it could, well, it can all be mitigated. This can all be mitigated. All of it can. You know, the real problem is hardwoods. You know, hardwoods are very, very valuable and people like them and, you know, and they're protected in some places and not others like in California if you have oak trees you can't chop them down unless you get a permit like we had a tree that was about to Fall on our house. It's like it's like

It's on the way go and you know, California the earth tends to shake a little bit Yeah a little bit things go sideways and your fucking house gets crushed by a tree but you know you have to there's We have to figure out how our desire for hardwood, like the source of that hardwood, if your desire for a beautiful, you know, mahogany table, they're beautiful, gorgeous, look at your desk, amazing. But if you could go to the Amazon and see that someone chopped down a tree that you were describing, that massive tree, that people had probably hadn't seen in a hundred years or whatever

Maybe ever who knows some of these trees are one thousand two hundred years old Maybe there's no one else dumb enough to walk through that place with no water We might have been the first people to ever see that when I was in Scotland They were claiming this guy don't know if this is true But because there's a lot of really old shit in Scott. They have these stones Really? Yeah, we were in Scotland. There's these guide stones on the ground and I go, what's that from? They go We don't know I go how old is it? They're like, it's about 5,000 years old I was like what you just walk up to a 5,000 year old stone. There's a stone circle out there There's a stone circle like that someone is constructed. It's similar to Stonehenge, but I'm a much much smaller scale

And it's older than Stonehenge, and it's just on the street in front of this dude's house So this guy's not even like a heritage. No no it has a little plaque That's like that big yeah, so we got out of the car, and we walk over to you walk on it You can stand on it. I'm like this is so weird like how old is this? They're like we're not exactly sure but it's thousands and thousands of years old like the druids made those games from I don't know they don't know who did it They don't know why this guide stone was just on the ground and next to this This pathway and I was like what is this like that's a you know five thousand year old guide stone like what it is

What whoa? Why isn't a museum built around this fucking thing that's crazy that it's just laying on the ground no I mean, it's it's why this is a meteorite. Yes so um weren't they saying that So they were telling me that the oldest tree in the world is in Scotland. I was like what I don't know how that's true I thought the oldest tree was has to be in Africa. Hmm, wouldn't it be? I thought it was in the Middle East somewhere. It was like one of those

It's like, you know like six feet tall and like super right all fucked up They said like predates Jesus like you know, it's like ancient ancient real. Yeah, what's the oldest tree? No, this is just I didn't want to tell the guy get the fuck out of this in the oldest tree He was he was giving me a tour a tour of the land These are coos these are coos cows they call the cows coos I go what are you saying Scotland's oldest tree so it's three thousand and nine thousand years old between three and nine that's a big swing yeah they don't know they're just get I mean that's the thing about that

area there's a lot of just guessing there's a lot of just guessing. There's a lot of just guessing. So see if you can show me a photo of the oldest tree. Yeah, they're gnarly looking like you're saying. It's not like a massive tree. No. It's, you know, when you walk by it, you would think, oh, it's just a tree. You would never think that thing's 9,000 years old.

But I'm curious what the oldest tree period is. I think that's the one. Really? That's the one they were saying is the oldest tree well This is just what this guy's telling me What is that one the oldest tree in the world? Where what's that one that one looks like the Middle East? I don't think so no couldn't be right bristle cone, where's that one fine?

Great patient hundred years doesn't say where's bristle cone California California so the oldest tree in the world is in California? No, hold on. It says something about Atlanta. Oh no no no, it says, yeah, I don't think they're saying it. Trees Atlanta is the website, that's kind of weird. Is that maybe just like trees around the world that they're studying in Atlanta? Wrong rabbit hole is all of me. Mmm, the oldest tree in the world, it looks like shit. It looks like you would expect the oldest tree. You wouldn't expect the oldest tree to look like those great redwoods.

California. Doesn't have a single fucking leaf. So how old is that one? That one's alive. How old is the oldest tree in the world? 4,855 years old. Yikes. Methuselah. They have a name for it. So some cocksucker, you know there's some dude that's thinking about turning that into a desk You know there's some fucking tech shithead US Forest Service doesn't tell visitors precisely where Methuselah stands nor does the organization release photographs of the ancient tree Someone's gonna. Yeah, someone's gonna fuck it up Can you can you look up what the what the what the like how old the general Sherman is?

I'm curious about the Sequoia's but this is interesting Jamie because this is I guess that other websites incorrect because the other website was saying It might be nine thousand years old Yeah, but that's not Scotland Different country, but I'm sure they have some old shit too Prometheus Yeah, I think that's the thing about a lot of these old old trees is it's kind of guesswork Yeah, I don't think they really know and I think it probably behooves them behooves them to exaggerate a little hoops You know because it's kind of a good bragging point say we got the oldest tree the world It's a draw for your for your town. Whatever whatever sorta there's no one out there it was really cool like six people there's no one it's got a bro just fucking Scotland is like

the whole country is like the size of Austin something about the oldest in terms of population living single stem tree on yeah single stem yeah not all complicated like the ones we just saw this looks like a pole a lot of the rainforest trees are like this which is a pillar general Sherman so is that a Sequoia yeah yeah man you've you've gone up to northern California did that rain for us I haven't been up to the northern Cali but the where the general Sherman is it looks you know you know like if you play like Super Mario 64 like when you get like you go into like giant land mm-hmm there was a Sequoia tree

that had fallen over. I mean the thing was you know 36 feet thick I don't know but I couldn't climb on top of the tree and it fell over and it went from here for like a city block. Yeah. They have one that has a tunnel carved out. Yeah. Where you could drive your car through it. They're so cool. And people want to cut them down. Yeah. There's people frothing to cut those things down. Oh yeah people are gross especially some fucking psychopath who's on Adderall Sherman tree contains more wood volume in its trunk than any other tree on earth And you know that's not that that seems like to make sense to me like that's the oldest tree

You know when I see that little ratty little fucking bush in the desert like that's not the old you live bitch Yeah See I thought it would be somewhere on the side of a mountain where it's like high wind and they're growing slow over a thousand years, so no humans would have been up there. Every year it's just adding a millimeter to its, you know. Well, we know so much about the world in comparison to what they knew 500 years ago, but yet we still know so little. They still, like 2010, they found a new human species.

The Denisovans. They didn't even know the Denisovans were a thing until 2010. And now they think that the Denisovans, like a lot of the Aborigine people in Australia, have Denisovan in them. And maybe possibly even Neanderthal in them. They only described the fact that there was two species and not one species of fucking elephant in Africa in the 90s Well wasn't a gorilla like a myth until they went I think gorillas were like mythical creatures

Until like the 1800s like when did they discover gorillas? I? Mean, I think the first European to see a gorilla probably watch your average I saw girls, but they couldn't get the word out But like the first Explorer with his you know, it's chain mail to show up and look at a gorilla It wasn't until early 19th century the people native from the areas where they live such as the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Gabon new gorillas better but among people outside of Africa. They were mostly mythological creatures there's human like big 400 pound monsters and like insane. Yeah Well, there's insane there's this is a really controversial ones the bondo ape and that's a particular area of the Congo

Called Billy and Billy has this unusual strain of chimpanzees that have a crest on their head like a gorilla So like this is a normal chimpanzee skull Okay, see how it's smooth on the top gorillas have this big crest because they're mandible muscles are so massive Yeah, because they mostly just they only eat plants. So they're mostly eating fiber So they're just crushing roots and so that's all they want to grab onto massive muscles Well these Chimpanzees they thought initially they perhaps were a hybrid between chimpanzees and gorillas because they're much bigger They're like six feet tall hybrid between and they're enormous

It's a really controversial thing like some people think that it's just an unusual group of chimpanzees like There's this area in Africa. There's a documentary on it called relentless enemies It's an amazing documentary about this river changed course over the years and these lions got stuck on this island with nothing But water buffalo so all the lions look like yoel Romero They'll just look fucking Brock Lesnar lions is super female lions as big as male lions Yeah in other parts of Africa super jack female lions just fucking up these water buffaloes They do all the heavy lifting yeah because they what they have to adapt into their environment So there was some thought that maybe this was a particular strain of chimpanzee that had adapted and was just unusually large

But they're fucking huge man. There's a guy named Carl Armand He's a swiss wildlife photographer, and he dedicated his life to exploring these animals and documenting them And he got photographs of them on a camera trap walking on two legs, but you guys see what they look like oh, yeah They look nutty they look nutty it mean they're hunched over a little bit But they look so much bigger than a regular chimpanzee. This is a real thing. This isn't like oh no no no no no So no they have they have tissue samples. They have bones so we have separate DNA for yep plenty of videos of these things There it's an actual animal that the question is is this a subspecies is it a completely different species? It's like right when we know they have bonobos the tissue is it a completely different species is like right when we know they have no bows the tissue

Well, it's it's a novel tissue though, right? So it's a new thing So if it is they're trying to figure out exactly what happened and how many of them there are and it seems to be in this Incredibly dense war-torn area of the Congo where these things live, but we know there's bonobos, right? Which kind of look like chimpanzees, but they're really different. They're not violent at all. They just fuck. They have arguments, they fuck each other.

And that's how they get over everything. They use hemp. Yeah, they probably do. They're probably stoner monkeys. I wonder what's in their diet. But these monkeys are, these chimpanzees are, they're very different than the other chimpanzees, like from Chimp Nation, where they're're super violent and they kill monkeys all day and

They you know they fight over fruit Chimp Chimp Nation is the is the Netflix Netflix document fucking amazing That's the one where the scientists were embedded with these chimpanzees for 20 years So the chimpanzees behave completely normal when you say embedded like what good all did like sitting there like yes right there They lived with them. So they set up camp in these forests and they had very clear rules. Number one, stay 20 yards away always. Not much. Not much, pretty close, but when it gets closer to 20 yards get out of there. No food, don't bring any food, don't look them in the eyes, no fucking around and so the chimpanzees they their whole life, chimpanzee lives in the wild probably 15, 20 years

or whatever, their whole life they've been around these people, so they act completely normal. Those people are just like another tree. Just another thing that's not of consequence. It doesn't steal resources from them. It doesn't try to intimidate them. It doesn't infringe on their territory. Never gets closer than 20 yards, no worries.

So because of that, they've got this insane footage. It's one of the most incredible documentary series of all time. And they study the social behavior between the chimpanzees. And I had the guy on who directed it. It was really fascinating. I'm like, how often do they eat monkeys? He's like, dude, we couldn't even show them all. They just eat monkeys all day.

That's their favorite thing to do. And they just rip them apart. Yeah. And they didn't even know that until the 90s. When David Attenborough went to the jungle to film chimpanzees, they caught them hunting monkeys and eating them alive. It's terrifying. It's crazy.

It is terrifying. There's a monkey, and this chimp has it, like his hand is around its waist, and it's just eating it from the hips down like this. And the monkey's going, Jesus! It's just got this little monkey face that looks so much like ours. And just eating it from the hips down like this It's just got this little monkey face that looks so much like ours It's so close to us and this champs just Chewing chunks they have 20 years a leg off and handed it to this other champ and he's chewing they share Oh, yeah, they share well

That's a big part of this this docu-series interesting is how they set up those social structures Their social structures are so similar to ours. It's like we think that the biggest chimpanzees like the alpha male Yeah, not some of them. It's not it's a smart one who has made comrades and made a community and is very fair chimpanzees have a very strong sense of fairness and fair chimpanzees have a very strong sense of fairness and Being slighted like if one of the elders doesn't get a piece of the monkey they get fucking furious like what have you done? But you have to make right like you have to like sue people's or monkeys chimpanzees anger and being slighted Dude, yeah

well I when I was a Cow's remember this as a kid is watching a nature show and they they had a I had to call it the third beetle principle There was the two male beetles were battling and the females watching and while the two male beetles are battling The third beetle comes and fucks the female. That's what happens with elk all the time And it was just like, you know be a third. Yeah, they studied white-tailed deer as well Same same thing happens. The big guys are fighting when the big guys are fighting the little sneaky ones like hey Yeah, ladies like that loud smart

See do you have any see if you can find a photograph of that Bondo ape yes, please I need again very country The car is controversial though if he has because like people don't want to believe it's real one right so that's one Yeah, that one's a dead one. They shot at an airport. Holy look at the size of it compared to those guys It's so much bigger than trying to get on a plane This is um you mercy that movie the Congo. It's a stupid movie like I read the book It was a cool book with that gorillas could those talk but those chimpanzees the crazy chimpanzees were based on these bondo apes Yeah, that's the idea so That picture up in the top right with it the black and white one

Yeah, well see if the fire find the camera trap photo scroll down a little bit It'll probably be one of the first photos that you see there's a camera trap photograph. Oh, no, that's a different one That's one that Lived in America if I saw that in the forest I would kill myself There's one they called them human Z and they thought at one point in time that maybe somebody had fucked a chimpanzee. These are all, that's it, that's it. What it says, world of Carl Amon on the top shelf.

Yeah, right there. That's the camera trap photo. That's not the best version of it. I've seen more clear version, but he's walking around, and they're enormous. These guys said they had a Land Rover and they had a Defender and they stopped, or whatever the truck was, they stopped the truck in the road as one walked by and it was taller than the truck. What? So they're huge. They're enormous. Some of them are, like I said, they're like six foot tall

chimpanzees. And just imagine how strong a regular chimp is. So that is, that's definitely that one up there. Click on that. That's a, click on the gallery. So Carl Armand is this guy who was this wildlife photographer that when they became aware of this subspecies, see, see the photographs of the skull? Yeah.

See how the- see that ridge. Right, so the one behind it is a regular chimpanzee skull, and then the much larger one is the Bondo ape skull. They also nest on the ground like gorillas. They're like, nobody's fucking with me. They're fucking huge, man. And there's not a large population of them, and it's not very well studied.

Because it's so remote. Mm-hmm, it's very fucking dangerous to get there but you see those bones on the ground show that image again look at the size difference between the regular chimpanzee skull in the background and then the the bondo ape in the foreground and look at the crest on the head yeah nuts the locals have two names for uh chimpanzees they call them tree beaters and lion killers. Lion killers? Lion killers.

And the lion killers, first of all, there's no lions in the jungle, right? No, lions not king of the jungle. Well, there's no lions. Lions live in the savanna, right? So calling them lion killers is probably just a fun name. But they have found, they did video one that was eating a jaguar.

Or a leopard, rather. A leopard. But they don't know if it found the leopard dead and ate it They don't know what the fuck happened according to it. Did it really did the tag a leopard? I mean, maybe maybe a small leopard Well, you got to think if it's really six feet tall so a regular chimpanzee gets to be like a full-grown male It's probably like 180 pounds like a big giant jack chimpanzee 180 180 pounds and the strength of a 500 pound man Like so you what you weigh probably close to it, right? You probably want to 80

Yeah, so your weight but the strength of a 500 pound man now imagine now imagine one That's not five feet tall but six feet tall and is not 200 pounds, but 300 pounds or 350 What? Get that guy in the octagon Do the fuck that? Regular Chip as you would fuck a human up, but that photograph of those two men that's sitting there with one that they shot Yeah, that's one that they think is confirmed to be one of these Bondo apes And it's so much bigger than them

Hmm, but you have to think like okay these guys like that first of all they're in the background Just like when you catch a fish you hold the fish out in front of you It's a perspective thing anaconda thing exactly But the guy does have his hand on his shoulder and just there's some things you can't fake like the size of his nuts I'm gonna say the size of his nuts is the size of that guy's face. And look at the size of his hand. His hand's massive. That's a massive chimpanzee. Grab onto some serious branches with that.

Google humanzy, cause humanzy was a weird one. They had this, these people had this chimpanzee and they dressed it up like a person and it had weird facial features where it looked like so similar to a person. Yeesh. It looks weird. There's better images of it and there's video of this, but I think along the way, that one

right there to the left of that, yeah, right there where you're at is good too. So look at his face. I don't like that. Strange, right? Strange features. He looks like he could work at a bank. Very weird. So it led people to think that,

his name is Oliver, that it led people to think that Oliver was some sort of a hybrid. But it doesn't seem like he is. It just seems like he just had a- Just a weird chimpanzee. Odd facial, but look, they put him in a fucking suit and tie and shit.

And they're fine, but he became sexually attracted to his care and preferred humans over chimps. The problem with those things is they're horny, just like, you know, and he doesn't even know there's other chimps because he doesn't get to see them. You know? You look close enough.

He's like, I'll fuck you, lady. And like, she's taking care of him. I was like, take care of this. He's a horny chimpanzee. I've heard that orangutans do that too. I'm sure. They're primates. Well, this is, you know, that's that Chimp Nation show that's on have you seen that on Netflix? I haven't seen I've been I've been obsessed with the the hundred foot wave

I'm not I'm serious not Chimp Nation Chimp crazy Chimp crazy is all about these people that are like the tiger king people That are all and so having tigers they have chimps just crazy people with chimps in their house Yeah, Carl's up. He's like, what the fuck, chimps? They'll eat you, Carl, in a goddamn heartbeat. This article about Oliver has this photo we've used a lot. I don't know that it's him. Oh, that's not Oliver. No, that article's bullshit.

I think they're just showing that it's him. He was taken. Yeah, that's just another chimpanzee. That's not him. But he, I'm sure they took him from the Congo, I mean, or wherever. Apparently was this was also something that we learned From the the guys from chip crazy that we're on We're explaining how this trade works where they kidnap these babies from their mother

And then they start raising them in captivity in America and some places like Wyoming. It's legal So yeah, they'll go to Wyoming and or was it Missouri or was it the By chimps Missouri, right? I Mean that the whole tiger king thing fucking nuts man, dude Those people all are just normal people that have wild animals ligers dude they Way before the tiger king thing one of one the dudes, not the main Tiger King guy, one of the other guys, the Myrtle Beach guy,

invited me to his place. And he's like, you gotta. Is that the guy who runs the sex cult? Yeah. And he was like, you gotta help me legitimize my shit. I'm a real conservationist. And so. Oh God, sure you are, buddy. Me and my friend Mohsen, who, you know,

we do all the photography, all the Amazon Fire stuff together, and we were always like, you wanna go fucking hang out with tigers for a weekend? He was like, yeah, let's the photography, all the Amazon Fire stuff together, and we were always like, you wanna go fucking hang out with tigers for a weekend? He was like, yeah, let's go. And so they were like, look, we're legit. You're a real conservationist. Come over here, tell the world about us.

So what they do is they have people sit in a circle, and you can go with your date and pay for this, and they put a tiger cub in your lap. Great, cool. But then what do you do with those 16 tiger cubs next year when they weigh 500 pounds? And that's the answer, they all have an incinerator on site.

Oh no. Yeah, so they're breeding tigers and incinerating them. Also, I was standing there, so many weird things happened that weekend, it was like, it was going into a- So when they get to be dangerous, they just shoot them and burn them? I don't know how they euthanize them,

but they have an incinerator on site and they're producing tigers. When you go, where did the tigers go? Oh my God. They go, well, you know. Oh no. And they're going, save tigers, save the world. And there's animals everywhere.

I was doing something and the girl walks by with a liger. Oh yeah. And I felt like I was on mushrooms. The thing's fucking head is this big. Yeah, it's so big. You know when in Sandlot when they see the beast and it's like an animatronic giant? It looked ridiculous. This liger walked by and was as tall as I was and I just went, I don't like it here.

Well, it's a weird hybrid because I think it's, is it a male tiger and a female lion or a male lion and a female tiger? I think it's a male tiger and a female lion or a male lion and a female tiger? I think it's a male tiger. So the problem is in male lions, the gene that regulates size exists. So when a male lion breeds with a female lion, I might be fucking this up, but I know that this is the problem with the lion, why they're so big. It's because whether it's the male or the female so it's a hybrid off to a male lion and a tiger female okay so in the female lion then or in the male

tiger one of them there's this gene that regulates how big you get and it doesn't exist in the liger they don't look. They just they get so big their head The head did they get Jamie? Jesus But a Siberian tiger I think can also get like 900 pounds like I like and I'm a tiger like I think they can get Pretty big. I think so, too. I think a liger is a little I think charts I think lagers might be bigger than that. Yep. That was there scroll down a little bit Jamie just 800 There's the one nine hundred pounds. That's the dude. That's the cat. That's a dude. Yeah

So this one says it got to 922 pounds Hercules the largest non-obese liger so he's not obese not fat So they try to cheat that's some donuts. That's some body positive bullshit. Yeah, I bet he's not if he's not obese not fat so they try to cheat that's that's some donuts. That's some body positive bullshit Yeah, I bet he's not if he's 922 Wow when he was three years old he weighed 408 pounds Oh my god, my god 900 pounds 408 kilograms Oh my god, and now it weighs

Oh my god value the Kings animal sanctuary in Wisconsin had a male liger named Nook who weighed over 1,213 pounds. Oh my God. So lion and tiger in captivity are under 1,100 pounds. How big does a Siberian tiger get? What's the largest Siberian tiger? See that I would say 900 pounds. I feel like that upper limit is 900 pounds and I have from nose to tail about 12 feet.

Those are my guesses. That's such a big animal, the Siberian. 11 feet long. Yeah, that book, The Tiger, is one of the best books. It's 10 foot, 11 inches long, from nose to tail, weighed 932 pounds. Look at that face. Bro, they're so beautiful too.

That's what's crazy, that it's a cat that lives in the snow. Like you think of tigers, you think of India. You think of the jungle. Yeah, you don't think of a cat that lives in Siberia. And it's the biggest one. And messes up the bears. And controls the wolf populations. Good lord. Good lord. That paw. biggest one and messes up the bears oh and controls the wolf populations

good lord good lord that paw oh my god yeah and just it's crazy that it's such a gorgeous thing that's killing you like when you see them it's probably part of the trick like you're like hypnotized by how beautiful it is like what look at this thing what you ever seen in life and color they show you the spectrum that deer see in, they don't see orange? Right. Because that was my question growing up as a kid. I was like, why, like, why would, if you want to blend in,

why the hell would you be orange and white and black? It seems like that's like the most, it's like having a neon sign. Well, that's because the most dangerous thing in the forest is people. Especially people with guns. Yeah, no, no, no, but I'm saying before that is when they- But that's why they did it.

They do it so that you don't get shot by hunters That's the whole reason why you have orange on Sure, but I'm saying it stands out, but I'm saying so my question was why would a tiger? Because deer see orange is just more tigers live in the grass and there's a lot of shadows and stripes Yeah, they show you can move around they show you deer vision and it's they literally don't register that color orange So it just looks like more green shit and a tiger vanishes. It's such a cool clip It's on one of those think that's also why zebras have those funky stripes. I think it fuses with them Yeah, it confuses other than all those lines fuck with them because they're not seeing things like we're seeing this cup

We're seeing you know your phone seeing writing I don't think they see like that they reckon it, like, a lot of it is edge detection and motion. Like, you know, I was just elk hunting and I got a video on my Instagram. So yeah, see how they like blend in? So they would not see all that stuff. They would just see what looks like branches. Yeah, like squint and look at that image.

And it's easy to see it for us. It's very difficult to see it for them. And if they're in the jungle densely Foliated jungle, and there's all these trees and shit They would just blend right the fuck in and just lay in wait for something that's slower than them But I was thinking when you're saying about the Bondo ape one of the things that we're doing now is we're using starlink to deploy Camera traps in areas because you just take a Starlink, put it up in the top of a tree.

I have a guy on my team, Stefan, he figured this out. We take Starlink, you put it up in the top of a tree so it has access. Someone's gotta climb the tree. You put a solar panel attached to it? You gotta have Starlink and a solar panel, and just like a little box to run everything. And then you can deploy remote camera traps around.

And so we're getting now, we haven't published this yet, but we're getting live feed from parts of the Amazon where there's no people. And with the Starlink, you can send it back to you with wifi so you don't have to get the cards. Dude, we get updates on our phones. Oh my God, that's incredible. So if we did this in Bondo Ape territory.

You'd probably find them. Yeah. But you'd probably get fucked up getting in there and putting that stuff up there. That's the problem, it's humans mean Lex could do it The problem is the humans I mean, that's it's essentially right to war zone wars Oh, it's a war zone run by warlords and then if you go into the Congo you have the cobalt mines

You have all these things that are run by China There's all the slave labor operations that are going out there and it's just the whole area my friend Justin He runs this charity fight for the forgotten He goes to the Congo and he builds wells And you know we've had him on a few times to talk about his experiences over there But getting to these people to try to build wells for them is fucking just fraught with peril You're dealing with just gun fights break out people, people get robbed, people get pulled over, guns held to their head, everything gets stolen from them.

It's like blood diamond. Yes. Just lawlessness run by warlords, different towns you go into, run by different people. You have to have translators. Sometimes translators are like, this is not good, this is not good. You're like, oh, fuck. And you're just over there trying to help people. And so if you're going to study these chimpanzees,

like this ain't like the fucking Pacific Northwest just going to the woods and like oh there's a deer. No, you're dealing with humans, dangerous humans who are desperate and who have lived their whole life in these conditions. When you go elk hunting, how long do you spend? Like how long is an elk hunter for you? I give myself a week.

I always have a week, but you know, a lot of guys who have more time, they'll do 10 days. It depends on what kind of hunting you're doing. I'm doing it in places where it's private access. So it's not, if you have public land, you're gonna get a lot of hunters on that land, especially if there's elk, and it pushes the elk deeper and deeper into the forest.

And if you wanna really find them, a lot of these guys, they'll put their, like my friend Aaron Snyder, he'll put a backpack on, he'll go two weeks, and they'll go 26, 30 miles in, and that's where the elk are. And so, not only that, you have to pack them out. So if you kill an elk 30 miles in, and it's 30 miles as the crow flies.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 30 miles of terrain. You're going up and down and up and down, thousands of feet of elevation, and it takes them days to get the animal out. And how do, yeah, I've seen the videos of that guy. You had this guy on. He's awesome.

Donnie Vincent? Yes. I've seen... He does a very good job of documenting his elk hunts. He does. And he's always got the backpack with the antlers on. Yep. And you have to have a fucking strong back, man.

Trekking poles are a must. And you're carrying something on your back that's almost what you weigh. You got a person on your back and you're trying to go 30 miles. And that's only one trip. You're done, you drop it off, you have to get it on ice or do something, depending on what the temperature is outside.

But you have to preserve the meat, you have to put it somewhere, usually in a cooler, you lock it down, whatever you do, you quarter it out, bone it out, and then you're going back. So you're going 30 miles for load number two. And if you're it down, whatever you do, you quarter it out, bone it out, and then you're going back. So you're going 30 miles for load number two. And if you're solo, there's a lot of guys that solo elk hunt, you might have to go in four times

to get all the meat out, because you physically can't carry it all 30 miles up and down the mountains without risk of dying. No, how much is an elk? I mean, elk is gigantic. Hundreds of pounds of meat. So I can tell you exactly, how much is an elk? I mean, elk is gigantic. Hundreds of pounds of meat. So I could tell you exactly, because we shot these elk in Utah, and then we

brought them to this meat processing place that makes you sausages and all kinds of cool shit. And they weigh it. So they weigh your meat. It was 400 pounds of meat. Of harvested meat. Yeah, I mean, there's bones. No, there's still bones and the quarters but the bones aren't that much weight let's say let's just say let's say the bones are a hundred pounds

let's just I don't think they are but let's say they are yeah I don't think they are because it's just a couple leg bones it's quartered so it's basically the femurs a test you know like a rear hind quarter in the front quarter Let's say it's 100 pounds. It's still 300 pounds of meat you got to get out on your own yeah you 300 pounds on your back So you've got to do it in hundred pound trips probably if you're smart, but some guys get crazy Hundred pound pack is a lot dude. I know it is I know a guy fucked his back up because he tried to do 180 pounds and he went like 25 miles and his back's destroyed his back is so destroyed that one of his arms is

Atrophying yeah because his nerves are getting pinched because his fucking discs are all bulged out and fucked up So you shoot an elk yeah, and then you you let's say you're with two guys I don't know you you take as much as you can and you come out. Now in the meantime, that carcass is sitting there, you just try and get back as soon as you can? Like the meat doesn't go bad? Because I'm assuming it's cold out. No, it's cold out. It's cold out.

When I was hunting, it was hailing. Oh, okay. So it was like, some of the days it was in the 30s, some of the days it was in the 40s, but it's plenty of play. So it'll stay overnight. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it totally can, but we didn't have to wait overnight.

We packed it out that day I got very lucky that my friends came down and helped me So we were in the bottom of this canyon is very very steeped this part That's like extremely difficult to get to which is why the elk go there So it was like you have to be very physically fit just to get there just to get get, like, when I do cardio, getting ready for elk hunts, literally I get ready for it like I have to go into a fight or something. You train for it.

I'm doing sprints on the air dime machine just to pump my legs up. Just to do, I'm doing box jumps and box steps with weights. I'm doing all these body weight squats. It's just to have strong legs. Just cause you have to deal with this terrain if you wanna go where the elk are. Because they know where the cats are and they know where they can hide and they know where

they can get away from people and that's in the areas that are hard to get to which is the mountains. And the more hard to get to and the elk go up it like it's nothing like they just fucking run right up it like it's so wild to watch because you're struggling to go like a mile an hour and these motherfuckers are like running over the top of the hill like it's nothing. But that's why they're there. They're there because they know that it's tough to get there and people won't fuck with them there and you know they rarely get fucked with there. So that's how you have to get to. So I got lucky that there was five guys in camp with me and everyone took a load and I think cam Haynes has a photo of it on his Instagram of all of us packing it out It was in one of those multiple photo things

But so that that helped a lot because if it was just me and my friend Colton who was my guide it would have probably Taken us Fucking most of the day yeah most of the day just to get it to the top of the hill where you can get a four-by-four To it so you're not worried about you don't have like camping gear also, so you're no, okay. No, that's good Yeah, but a lot of guys do and those guys the most effective hunters that go into public land Which is a much tougher thing to do right because I said because of pressure and also because if you want to go with the elk Are the elk there's a lot of people there's pressure and the elk are gonna get the fuck out of dodge And so you have to find out where they are.

It's a lot more ground work, and you're covering a lot more miles. So these guys, they put their camp on their back, and they chop the toothbrush in half, that whole deal. Bring stair pens, they know where the water is, and they use things like Onyx maps so that they chart their path. That's all of us.

So we're packing out, that's all the elk quarters on different people's backs and that head up there, that's me carrying the head out with the antlers. Nice. You know, and it's, we were, like I said, real lucky that we had friends there to help us. But if you do that by yourself,

if you're out there by yourself and you're 30 miles in, you gotta be so strong. You gotta be so strong. Whose shot was that? I think it was Adam, my friend Adam Greentree. He's an awesome photographer. Lives in Australia. Who's with us hunting too.

But that's the kind of hunting that I do is the easiest kind of hunting as far as that goes. As far as bow hunting in the wilderness goes, yeah. In that... You can do it with a gun and it's a hundred times easier. No, but what I'm saying is like, there's not gonna be a lot of people there No one's gonna fuck with you. You know the elk are there Yeah So the much more difficult path is like the public land hunter who has to go deep into the forest to get away from all

The people like my friend Adam told me he went 23 miles into the forest once and he's like no one's gonna be any found Two tents he's like motherfucker these hunters. They're they're all realizing like so there's like a category of hunter that's like these athletes that love it yeah and but they're athletes like these guys are super physically fit so they can go 25 miles 30 miles in and they can be by themselves which is which is pretty serious oh yeah man yeah you did a great job of explaining to that one guy about why wolves and elk, because you sound like fundamentally like God and the fact that animals eat each other

and you're like, because there's wolves, elk are mega athletes that can run up a mountain. And I was just like, I was listening to it, I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, that's why they are the way they are. You can't take that out of the equation. People want, oh, let's have all the elk live in harmony where they never have to worry about getting eaten.

That's not real. Just standing there. Yeah, what you're saying is not real. So if you're saying you don't want hunting, you're saying you want these animals to die in a far more horrific way, because we need population control. Some say we need it with people,

but that's the world economic forum. But what I think is with animals, at least we understand, we have wildlife biologists that are incredible at this job and they understand what the holding populations are. They're like, this is how much food is there, this is how many deer are there, this is sustainable, we can give out this amount of tags and so we keep the populations. But you have to also take into account wolves. When wolves move into an area, everything gets fucked. Everything gets fucked.

They kill off a giant percentage of the calves, they kill off domestic animals, they do surplus kills sometimes. Like in Wyoming, they found this crazy surplus kill where these wolves had killed like a hundred cow elk, and they were just laying there. Because if they can't help themselves, man, if they can do it, they're gonna do it. Like if they're stuck in snow or something's going on

or they can't get away, if they got them cornered, they just go on a slaughter fast. Well, that's like when we were in school and they were like, you know, the Native Americans only took you know And then like you read Empire the Summer Moon and you're like, oh, it's all lies Oh, it's all lies. The Native Americans were Unbelievably brutal to each other the Comanches were insane. Oh my god changed my whole view of everything They're gonna do a movie. They better they better Is it a movie or a series? It's a movie, right? I hope that But it's Taylor Sheridan. Yeah, so yeah, he'll do it right

I hope they do it right. I was reading that book on an expedition and I was like When did we stop being warriors never when no I'm talking about going on right now It's just not us the mentality the mentality, the mentality, like would they be like, oh yeah, Quano was, you know, by this stream and they saw some other another tribe going that when they just went, let's go get them. Yeah, you don't need to do that. You might die. Well, they were just like, let's go. They went on raiding parties. So they thought it was fun. Yeah, that's what it was to them. They'd go and find other native tribes and fuck them up and sometimes eat them. But I'm saying like that to me, given the modern context,

like we're raised to be so sensitive and so considerate and it's like these people, you read about the, I don't remember Kuanas mom's name, but the Cynthia Ann Parker, the woman that was- There's a photo of her in the lobby. Yeah? Yeah, breastfeeding her baby. Yeah, that's her.

And like she was kidnapped and I think she had a baby that they killed and Then fast forward like five years ten years later, and she only speaks command She didn't have a baby when they caught her. No, she was only nine Okay, there was someone that they caught and she had a baby and they could kill it. Yeah I was like but but then she became a command she I think they killed her mother's other child. Yeah. I think that's when they killed her mother and they raped her mother. They were unbelievably brutal, but they had a hard time with their population

because they're riding horses so much. So they're losing a lot of babies. Exactly. So to mitigate that, they would take young kids. So they find young kids and they kidnap them and bring them into the tribe. So they kill the parents. And oh my god, some of the stories are so,

and the craziest thing is what our government did. Our government was like, hey, you want a homestead? Go out there, we'll give you a chunk of land. What was that? They did it to bait people. The first scene of that book, the guy goes out there and he's like, hello, good friends, good day to you. And they cut his head off and peel his face off.

And it's like, holy shit. They kill everybody. Well, you're on their land as far as they're concerned. What the fuck are you doing? And what the government was doing was saying, hey, you can go homestead out there. And it was baiting them. And so then they made these people fight off the Comanche.

And if it wasn't for Jack Hayes and the Texas Rangers Texas Rangers, Texas would have never been settled. Yeah, this is all the Comanche dude. There's so many arrowheads here. It's mad I would go nuts if I found an arrowhead in real life Like if I was walking and I found an arrowhead I would it would be the best day of my life I found one once in Nevada. There's that found it. No, I did not This is a real it's a real American arrow. Absolutely my friend Remy said that's probably one they use for fish because it's larger He said the ones they use for deer are smaller because you know They don't have a lot of force on their bows and they have to penetrate. Yeah, so they want a smaller diameter arrowhead ouchie

Wow, yeah, oh fuck you up. Fuck you up Oh, that's so cool And they used to have the ability to hold all their arrows in between their fingers So they could fire off arrows one after another that's why when they came up with the musket They're like this is not good enough one shot. Yeah, and then they gotta sit there fucking And they just filling you up the arrows so when Colt developed a revolver that changed the game Yeah, cuz now so these guys had cartridges. I think the initial one was five shots.

So then these cartridges, and they could just pop the cartridge out, put a new one in, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, change the game. Yeah, the crazy thing is he was sitting over there in New Jersey, I think, developing that. And he was like, I'm tinkering this again. And he sent it to the, I think they said this, he sent it over there. And everyone was like, what is this? Not only that, the government didn't want it for soldiers.

They're like, why do we need this? We don't need this. But the Texas Rangers used it. Figured it out. Yeah and like we need that fucking thing. And so they were really the predecessors like to our image of like the cowboy like that's the birth of the cowboy right? Well I mean that whole image of like a dude with a hat on a horse like that was the to me that's like it looked like you were getting towards after the Comanche, like the end of the Comanche times into the, I don't think cowboys were around for long. Like that period that we think of, like the Wild West.

I think it was like a period of like- It's kind of funny, right, because it's such a genre in our history. Like there's not a whole lot of Civil War cool movies. No, because nobody likes the Civil War. But there's a lot of Western cool movies. Because it's romantic. But the history of genocide in North America in terms of what happened to the Native Americans

has been so poorly documented in movies. Because nobody wants to watch that. Right. So the movies are all just guys in saloons having shootouts with other bad Americans. And every now and then some Native American we get into the picture You have to fuck that Indian up because he was trying to steal your goats or whatever. It'd be the cool tracker Yeah, yeah, yeah, like you know butch Cassidy in the Sundance kid where they're running and like they're like oh these guys have a Native American tracker Like what a weird genre of films that only looks at it from one perspective the perspective of the people people that came over there. And not even the real thing that happened to people is

exactly what happened to people in the Amazon. It's disease. That's the lost city of Z. Right? You know, when they went there, these, the first people were like, this place is amazing. They have these complex cities. It's golds everywhere. It's gorgeous. And then, so people made the trek back and by the time they went there all those people were dead. From dirty stinky European diseases. You want some blankets? Yeah. Well that blanket thing's not real.

No? No. The smallpox on the blankets wasn't real? No. They think that, I mean there might have been some instances where people knowingly gave people blankets with smallpox, but smallpox just spread because everybody was immune to it from Europe. Like not immune, but they had some sort of antibodies because smallpox was everywhere. So when they came over here, we brought a bunch of shit over here that just wrecked those people.

Yeah, there's, there's, uh, I did an expedition in right before Lex came, we did an expedition in March and me and JJ went to the back. We basically picked a part of the Amazon that we'd never been to and went, let's go see what's over there. And it took us a, picked a spot. We picked a spot because it was around in a place that like on the map, there's, there's no, there's no towns. There's no nothing. So we said, let's go there. And it took us a week. We had to take a commercial flight

to a smaller flight to a smaller flight, and then we had to take a boat for three days, nine hours a day, to get to the start of the expedition. Now, when you do that, do you check to see if there's uncontacted tribes that are reported in those areas? What you do is you get to the last town, and you go you wait

What's that way and they tell you and the scariest thing and this was one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life Was that there were these tiny little people there and they were so there was like normal Peruvians walking around Like lagers gold miners that they're you know, they're they're they're chainsaws. There's people who had gasoline barges There's also prostitute boats that drive around, like brothels that go up and down. On a boat? Yeah, and you can pay them in wood, surprisingly enough. Board feet of timber, no joke.

Yes, you get to the real, like this is a place where like, you feel like you went in a time machine, and you get out there, and there's people with modern machines, but then off in the corner there were these little people and they were still holding onto their bows and arrows. And you look at them,

and as soon as you look at them, they hide. And we were like, who are they? And they were like, those are the Nawa. And we were like, what's going on with the Nawa? And it turns out that the Nawa were shooting at the oil company guys that were trying to get into this deep, again, a part of the forest that never has been accessed before. Now it's starting people are reaching deeper into the Amazon and the problem is they'd be going up this river

And there'd be arrows flying by them. Oh my god. So had they solved that problem. They funded the missionaries Sent the missionaries out there to talk to the Nawa and convinced them to come back to the nearest town So these are uncontacted tribes who are right there. Like, we're standing there, like, kind of talking to them. We're like, hola, and they're... How do the missionaries communicate with them? The missionaries go, like, you know, Bible up, and they just hope.

And they just fucking hope. Are these the Mormons? Like, what groups? I actually don't know. Mormons love to do that. I don't know what group it was. I know I saw the missionary, and he gave me a dirty, evil look and walked away. Like, this is dark shit.

It was dark shit. The missionary gave you an evil look. Oh, no, no. These are not people that are OK. And so these terrified, think about this for a second. So what are the missionaries up to? They're working for the oil companies. They're clearing out the forest.

They're clearing the way. They're just doing it peacefully. But are they actual missionaries or are they acting as missionaries? Whatever it is, they're going with the missionary protocol, getting these people to come in. So what they did was, through two translators from Spanish to Yine to Nawa to something, we asked this guy, and we had to stay away because we didn't want to get them sick, and we had to say, like, what are you doing here?

And the guy was like, I'm trying to go back to my house, like where I live in my house, my jungle. And he said, these missionaries said if I came here, that then they'd help me in the food and you know, and they were very confused because the missionaries had brought back a boatload of them and kind of tricked them because then when they got to the town, they just showed up to capitalist society, which even though it's super remote, they're like, you want food? You got to buy it. And these people have a bow and arrow, but there's no more animals around because they've killed everything. And they go, but I want to go home. And the missionaries go, well, do you got gasoline? Now they're stuck. Oh my God. And how far

like three days of driving in a boat. So like 70 miles by river. Oh my God. And so these poor people are coming into modern society a thousand years late with their wooden bow and arrows. They're this big, they're tiny little people and they're terrified and no one's helping them. Oh my God. And it's the edge of the world and it's exactly, when I was reading this Comanche book on that expedition and I'm going, this is the same thing.

It's that manifest destiny. This is the end of their culture. There's no one, there's no one who's going to help them. And they were just terrified sitting there at the edges of the streets and all these people are riding by on like motorcycles and rickshaws and this boat's going by and these people are trying to look for like a rat to shoot. Oh my God. It was terrifying. Oh my God.

It was terrifying. I felt so bad for them because they had no, you could see they had no idea. And they don't even speak the language. They don't even speak their two degrees separated with language So like like you could speak Yine, which is the local tribal language there, but these people don't even speak that They speak their language, so you'd have to go from Spanish to Yine to Nawa Oh my god, and we were there and these people were going so how does someone know now that you talked to? Because one of the Yina guys that I knew was had been living there So he'd picked up a few now awards and so they were they were going so these people how long these people been there for?

I didn't get that but they were they were They were literally living in a camp at the like where the trees were they stayed by the trees they wanted to be by the trees Oh my god, so there's people you could buy a Coca-Cola there like this was like you could you know you could buy gasoline Coca-Cola whatever way out there there's a boat that has some like gasoline cylinders you can fill up your boat and then this this is where this is the law it's like it during the Gold Rush in Alaska it's like the last place before you go into the wild and these it was just it was really horrible to see and I think reading that before you go into the wild. Oh my God.

And these, it was just, it was really horrible to see and I think reading that, the Empire of the Summer Moon was made even worse because. That's so dirty. So they tricked these people into going to the town and they just abandoned them. Yeah. Oh my God.

And these people, how could they know that someone would do that to them? They don't even know what a town is like. They don't even know what a town is like. Oh my God. They're terrified. And so they're still, you know, you see them there They're washing by the river and they're trying to feed their babies But they're probably no one gives a fuck and no one gives a fuck and they're treated like dirt too

Because people because humans are humans and so right no one wants to help them Nobody could talk to them. And then of course, they're they're kind of frustrated right? They're not exactly friendly either, right? Wow Yeah, crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy. Have you seen that overhead? Fit it there's there's a view like a camera is on some of the helicopter or something And it's photographing these guys, and they're all fucking pointed yeah narrows this one How wild is that? You think that's why I like it. I can show you something that I can't show publicly, but look at this.

Really? Yeah, I got something that no one's seen. This is from last week. I'm gonna show everybody. No, you're not. This is from last week. Oh, wow. So what Joe is looking at right now

is a bunch of uncontacted tribes standing in the rain. And again, they don't speak the language of the people that are trying to interact with them. So this is across a river. Are these those same people that were in that town? These are not the Nawa. This is a different tribe. Oh my god, man.

This is wild. This is like imagining what it would be like to run into people hundreds of thousands of years ago. Are you on the single guy yet? Yeah. Incredible, man. I mean, that guy looks like someone from the past.

It doesn't look like someone from now. Yeah, and so what they did was they sent them a canoe full of bananas. Now that guy's standing there in the cold, shaking his head like, he might just not know the word for blanket. It's insane, man. This is incredible.

Yeah. And these are essentially some of the last people on Earth like this. It's insane, man. This is incredible. And these are essentially some of the last people on earth like this. Yeah, and so there's a huge debate about how we protect them because there's two camps. There's some people that say, you know, they're running scared during the Industrial Revolution. They pushed further out and they're too scared to come in and get help. And then there's other people that go, no, they're noble savages and they live out there because they want to and they're the last free people. But looking at these videos and seeing some of the stuff,

they're trying to carefully interact with some of the most remote tribes. And so there's people that live seven days from the nearest town that speak a dialect of native language in the Amazon and the tribes will come out and they'll, you know, they'll come out and they'll, you saw it, they'll come out and they'll just look, they'll look at them, they'll make gestures, they'll do things, but if you get too close to them, they shoot you.

So you can't really, you can't just go up to them and be like, hey man, what's up? Do you want some eggs? Right. You can't do that. Right. So what happens is this standoff on either side of the river where you have people that live a remote lifestyle and are very, very indigenous, but that can still interact with us that know,

or, you know, the modern world have seen a dollar before, have seen a spoon, the wheel, blah, blah, blah. Wear an Under Armour T-shirt. Yeah, exactly. And then these people show up and they got their dicks tied to their stomachs and they wear no clothes and they're doing they're making sounds sometimes you're using animal call they tie their dicks down so

they don't get scratched up they time up they so if you look at this dude here look I'll just pause it on when he's that's so gangster I mean think about the stuff they're walking through you don't want to drag him on the ground where everything's got a thorn So like look look at that like he's he's tied up But yeah, you don't want to get in you don't want to get in I guess you know I'm like mosquitoes having access to the head That could be a problem. I could be a problem after like little fishies that swim up your dick hole That's that's only if you're peeing in the water

Oh a much worse thing is when you take a shit in the jungle. Oh All the bugs are coming for you So you gotta like you gotta like be on on like dick patrol while you're doing that because you're gonna get bug bites on your Ass, but you gotta make sure they don't go in your asshole. Well sure Right does that answer? Yeah, because as soon as you as soon as you crouch sure that that's her yeah because as soon as you as soon as you crouch dung beetles bigger than golf balls start flying through the air so oh my god you're trying to take a shit in the Amazon so they know they use fart there are animals following and so you're sitting there and you have to there's a

bunch of things you got to do first you got to break your stick right so you have like some leaves the leaves is is to keep your ass bug free, to get the mosquitoes away. And then the other thing you gotta do is you gotta be holding a tree, because you're crouching, right? But then you use your ass stick to swat away the dung beetles, because they come in,

and one dung beetle hit my friend Mohsen in the eyeball, and like scratched his actual eyeball, because it flew straight, and they have rhinoceros horns coming out of their flew straight and they have, you know, rhinoceros horns coming out of their faces and their exoskeleton's brutal and they're heavy. It's a big bug and they're airborne and they're moving quick and when they want your shit,

because they're gonna take it and they're gonna roll it into balls and they're gonna push it through the jungle and they're gonna lay their eggs in it. Oh God. So yeah, taking a shit in the jungle is like a whole, you have to know how to do it. If you don't know how to do it,

you could end up in a lot of trouble. Good Lord, man. So many things to think about. And this is your everyday existence. Yeah. I just, so when you went to that spot, when you decided, let's go there, and it takes you three days, and you get up there,

and you see these people, did you wind up going deeper into the jungle and seeing how they actually live? So, can you or is it dangerous? Well both. Well I had some trackers with me who were extremely experienced in all of this. They knew where we could and couldn't go.

And we went on a, it took us a week to get to the launch point and then we went on a six day expedition from there where we're eating fish out of the river, we're drinking out of the river, camping on the beaches. And then we did reach a point where they found signs of uncontacted tribes. And that's when it gets dangerous. And they went, we're going back. Wow.

100% going back. I mean, you have to you for the for everyone's there's no there's absolutely no way that you can continue going. You're gonna either get killed or be killed like it turns into. I mean, these guys turned around around they loaded the shotguns and they were like we turned around this moment They turned to the boat and just like the moment that you because they know you're there before you know, they're they know you're there Yeah, if you're coming in a boat to it's probably making a lot of noise. Yeah, right. Oh, yeah Wait, you're that thing from a long ways out to two to three weeks ago some loggers They found them they were the the the chainsawaw, the loggers were chainsawing on the Tawhamano River.

The loggers were, from the look of the, kind of Sherlock Holmes-ing the image I saw, the loggers were cutting this log. They were dead where they were standing. So you think these guys are going, eeeh, cutting this log, and the tribes are surrounding them. They had no idea.

Wow. And they just started throwing arrows from the shadows. And so they found the bodies of two loggers. See if you can find that, Jamie. This was within August. Peru, tribes killed. There's a picture, like a blurry picture of it. Of the loggers?

They don't show you anything. It's just when it comes to them. I bet you can find it. I bet you can find it. I bet you my guys have it on WhatsApp. Dark web. I bet your WhatsApp group is wild. My WhatsApp group find it. I bet you my guys have it on WhatsApp. Dark web. I bet your WhatsApp group is wild. My WhatsApp group is ridiculous.

I gotta show you some of the pictures. I gotta start sending you some crazy shit. Yeah, let me in. Yeah, man. I'll at least see some pictures. I promise I won't share them. I got terrible pictures. Because one time they killed these guys and their bodies were on the beach for a few days

and they blew up and became white so they looked like the Michelin Man. But then when the vultures got to them they started ripping out their eyeballs and disemboweling them so by the time people went to find them just skeletons it was like the skeleton was half out of the face of some of the most gruesome shit you've ever seen it was incredible it was incredible that's like dude now now because of you know having a large social media following people just send me their craziest shit. So I gotta be careful what I open,

because people will send you a video. And one thing that I found very disturbing, somebody sent me a video and it was like, here, click on this, and I was like, I don't know if I really want to. And it was somebody, there was a deer, and he was feeding a deer and feeding a deer, and then he takes a handgun and shoots it in the head,

and I was like, that's fucking horrible. I was like, no. So now I'm careful, but somebody sent me a few weeks ago a video of, which this one I'm probably gonna share, but I have to make sure that they don't get me for it. An elephant trainer in India, and he's working next to this elephant, and he's just working next to the elephant doing his thing,

and this elephant just decides that today ain't his day. And the elephant just knocks him over and crushes his pelvis. And then it's like, that's not good enough. So it pushes his foot on the guy's head and just flattens him, and crushes his pelvis. And then it's like, that's not good enough. So it pushes his foot on the guy's head and just flattens him and it's all on video. Oh my God. It's well, actually Jamie, on there is, there's one picture of, it might even say,

yeah, it says elephant dead. And it's just a picture of a guy, his gun is broken in half and his head is flattened. And that's in India, that the elephant just they just say I'm the guy who's just like enough is enough. Well, I mean people torture elephants. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's the guy Oh boy. Yeah. Oh Yeah Hey you want the good stuff or not

Give it all to me. Show me the arrows and the guys I'll show that the one next to that one is the elephant stepping on the guy if you want I'm here while I'm here. I mean it's important people should know not to not to go not to be people think elephants are cuddly They're not they're not to be messed with This one's horrible because it's not quick It's not quick but like see this elephant is not you know He's probably around this elephant every day, and it doesn't look like he's see what he's doing with the dude It's doing his poke in the off that shit's annoying. Yeah, and self. It's gone. You know what that's enough look

So at this point He's already broken at this point. I mean his pelvis is gone even if he lived he oh everything's just getting crushed and He just had enough oh this is horrible man Just stomping this guy. He's already dead. Yeah, he's dead now. Oh my god. He's so flat. That's so crazy He's picking him up in his mouth. I mean this elephant is angry. Oh My god, this guy's so dead I mean, that's not even a big elephant and this other guy runs in to stop it. Are you out of your fucking mind?

But that elephant's probably tired of wearing that fucking stupid outfit too. Tired of getting poked at with a stick. Yep. And that's probably like a 5,000 pound Asian elephant, whereas the largest African elephant was something around 24,000 pounds. Oh my god. Yeah, these are 18 wheelers. They're huge. Yeah. And what's fucked up about that is like when you have tribes or towns or villages of people that are

growing things and the elephants find it they just like sorry it's ours now that's really tough because there's not enough jungle for the elephants and then you have to turn down an entire field full of pineapples. Yeah they're like no this is my pineapple these are my pineapples yeah they don't have any understanding of ownership like these are pineapples that are on the ground. No one's eating them Of course I'm gonna eat them and they can eat all the pineapples and so now everybody starves and no one can stop them people They'll push your house over they don't oh, yeah, let's stomp you into the fucking dirt

They don't give a shit can't say can't say my favorite elephant story from your so I started doing work with this this private game reserve in Africa called Buffalo Clouffe, and it's these incredible people, Warren and Wendy Rippon. And I started going over there because they were using post-911 veterans to protect

their elephants and rhinos. But their elephants, they found out, they call it the Halkroft herd. They found out that some Saudi prince had elephants in this reserve, and they weren't irrigating it. So the elephants were dying. So they went and they did a flight over, and they weren't irrigating it so the elephants were dying so they went and they did a flight over and they saw dead elephants they saw dead animals and there was I think there was I think there was 10 or

11 elephants that were still alive and so they went to the South African court they repossessed the elephant herd the owners of the reserve that I work with they went with a helicopter you circle circle it around, they got the elephants together, they darted the whole family at once, all 11 elephants, got them on trucks, like semi-lucid, just kind of awake, got them onto trucks, transported them to Buffalo Cloub, where they're gonna be safe, released them, and they said that when these elephants woke up

and came off the trucks, and now they're in a private game reserve where they're gonna be safe the rest of their lives. He said they just exploded. They went flying into the water, started drinking, playing, bathing, just eating everything. They rearranged the entire ecosystem,

and one of the females was pregnant, and they didn't know that the female was pregnant. Wow. And so these people are doing this crazy work where they're protecting black rhinos, which are critically endangered, elephants, white rhinos, all this stuff, and they're doing it through hunting. They're doing it where they have hunting, they have a reserve that is fenced in because

South Africa, everything's fenced in, but the elephants and the rhinos, and you're keeping, at this point we're keeping black rhinos on the brink of extinction. We're keeping them from going extinct. But it's like you go there and these elephants are so happy because they're living in a place where they're free and wild. And they have food. And they have as much food as they want,

they have like 50,000 acres. What a dream for an elephant. To get rescued. You get guarded, you're like, oh fuck. You see a helicopter and you're like, oh shit. There's no water here, everyone's dying, and then all of a sudden you're in this bountiful place. In this bountiful place. That's pretty dope. And it's funny too because, everyone's dying, and then all of a sudden you're in this bountiful place. In this bountiful place.

That's pretty dope. And it's funny too because talking about the people, the anti-hunting people, and it's like, this is a place where, very, very different reality than the Amazon, but where the owner said to me, he was like, no one's gonna pay you $30,000 to take a picture of a buffalo. He's like, people pay $30,000 to hunt a buffalo

all the time. And so they use sustainable hunting of like the zebras and the buffalo and the impalas and stuff like that to protect the entire ecosystem. So you have leopards and elephants and black rhinos, white rhinos. And so you have tourism and hunting side by side in this incredible game reserve. It's wild. Well, unfortunately, the only way where people really appreciate animals is to make them a commodity. Whether you make them a commodity for going on safari,

whether you make them a commodity for hunting them. Because before that, when people were just poaching and doing market hunting, they were on the brink of extinction. There's a lot of animals there, a lot of the undulates that were on the brink of extinction. You know, there's animals in Texas that you can hunt that are endangered in their native lands

But that they've bred them in Texas. Yeah, they've bred some there's more tigers in Texas Yeah, and there are in all the wild of the world just in people's yards Yeah, I just met somebody that had elans on her property this giant is very common. Yeah, huge fucking animal crazy horns They're cool-looking, but But these wild game reserves in Africa, you know, people go over there and they shoot these animals and then that meat gets donated to these tribes. And this friend of mine who went over there to do that was saying that they went to this school, which was like, it's, to call it a school, it's just dirt floors, you know, no windows. It's just this building where kids go and the food they get is all canned.

So they have canned foods and so they brought them hundreds of pounds of meat that they and they everybody went crazy. The whole village comes, they get baskets of it, fresh meat and it does help. It helps. But really what's fucked is that people live like that like really the the way to get people out of that Situation when you have these insanely impoverished countries where you can take advantage of people have a mind for Cobalt is to try to elevate the standard of living for those people tried to bring them power and give them

irrigation and give them fresh water and and Figure out a way to get them resources like yeah and I mean that's exactly what we're doing the Amazon is is give the loggers a better fucking job they don't want to be loggers nobody wants to be a gold miner right nobody wants to be a poacher in Africa and so a lot of people want to be gold miners not this kind of gold miner no that's not gold mining that's this is sand mining for bits of gold this is what they cut down the Amazon for. Right.

But gold mining in Alaska, probably pretty fun. Imagine being part of the minor 49ers that came over here in 1849. That's different. You find a nugget of gold. That's different. That's a whole different thing. Have you seen the movie Sisu? It's like a John Wick movie from World War II.

It's about this crazy soldier who becomes a gold miner, and he finds gold, and he's retired, done with the war, and then he's hiking out with his gold, he's riding out with his gold, and the Nazis show up, and he has to kill all the Nazis. This is one of those movies though where you can kill everybody, like a John Wick thing. It's awesome.

I can't, man. I bet you can. I can't. The only reason it's okay in The matrix is because they're in the matrix right every other movie with one guy like the taken where he can like Take down a room full of it's a little ridiculous, but this guy you kind of believe it. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty fucking bad I mean this guy's like covered in scars his whole body's been in war his whole his whole life. Yeah Give it a chance. This is this is the guy wait Who's the actor that's not Brendan Gleeson is no it's I don't know I don't know his name, but it's not American movie Look at the look at the trailer with a knife throw this fucking movie rules. Yeah

It rules Yeah, that's the gentleman's name. I've never heard of him Yeah, but he's fucking awesome Not the farthest I can go with violence was Peaky Blinders. Oh my god. What a show. Yeah, what a show Yo, what a show I have so much trouble not just talking like Alfie Solomons my entire life. I Fucking love that character of the Peaky Blinders That and then my newest thing is the 100-foot wave, if you haven't watched this thing, man.

No, what's that? Oh my God. Surfers? Garrett McNamara. You know the wave in Portugal, in Nazaré? It's the dude and his wife who discovered it. They tell the whole story where he's looking for big waves, they're all chasing big waves, like point-break shit. And then I think they get an email from someone.

She gets an email from someone, she's like, we should go check out this wave. And this dude goes, first of all, wave porn all day long. Look at these waves. Such a fucking good show. And I'm looking at this going, I wanna make a show one day

about how we made our national park. How the fuck did they document this? This dude is so insane to do that. So insane to ride. This is some of the best shit I've ever seen. I'm riveted by this. Also, I just can watch that wave again and again and again.

Those guys who do that are different humans. But this is, it's the cinematography, it's the storytelling. Oh, he goes down! No! Yeah, dude. No! Oh, the injuries are brutal.

I mean you're talking about a 70 foot wave. Oh my God, the weight of that water must be insane. They literally went looking for the biggest wave. And then, just like that old tree in Ireland, this has like become the thing for that town. People come there for the wave now. How many people die there every year? They have a pretty good safety system.

They have like a jet ski rescue system where like if I tow you onto a wave, I feel like I know it now from watching the show. If I tow you onto a wave and you catch this epic wave, but then you get trucked and you're under 40 feet of foam and you're getting just bashed under there, when that wave goes to the shore, I have like 10 seconds to race in there with my jet ski

and you gotta grab on before the next wave comes. And if you don't grab the ski, I gotta leave you. And you gotta go under there. Oh, my God. So as you're watching this show, you're like, do they die? Do they die? Are they okay? Holy shit.

And the whole time, they're just showing you this beautiful wave porn, constant waves. And you're just like, this is, this is... And these people wake up every day and have the same affliction that I have. They're just like, how do I get my adrenaline? They're like, how do I get my adrenaline? They're like, how do I get my adrenaline?

It's like, I feel like I can relate. Soterios Johnson Do you ever meet those dudes? They're so calm. Kyle Soterios Because they're, they're always coming down from it. They're like, oh man, there's no waves today. Just like when you meet, when you meet like certain veterans, they're just like, well, man, look, we're not getting shot at today. So it's all good.

Soterios Johnson Yeah, it's fascinating how calm they are. Kelly Slater. Kyle Soterios Yeah. Soter Yeah, have you had him in here? Yeah, I've had him one. He's awesome. You've had Laird Hamilton. Yep, they're in the same door and his good friend of mine He does that shit too. That's all these guys are there. They're all chill dudes like real serious people Yeah, you know, yeah Laird Laird shows up in there. They have him like being like yeah that fucking wave is crazy With his huge neck. he's just like dude. You ever see his workout where he takes weights in the pool? and walks on the bottom of the pool. He's a fucking maniac. Yeah no he's he's always been just I mean

you just look at him he's built like an action figure he's he's always been incredible. No days off with that guy. He's incredible. And that world of just wanting to constantly get on the biggest waves is just such a nutty proposition. I totally understand it though. I think it's to do something that that's in, it's like say, you know, you can ride a dragon. Yo. Right.

You know, or, you know, Elon's like, I want to go to Mars. Like somebody tells you, look at the big, a mountain of water. Right. You can fly on that. Right. I'm in. Right. Sign me up. I mean, I feel like that's snowboarding.

And snowboarding's chiller. You're not taking your life in your hands. But when you're going as fast as you can on a snowboard down a mountain, you're like, man, I am fucking surfing a mountain right now. It is cool. It's an apex of life. I feel like that when I jump on an Anaconda.

I'm like, I am going to die. What I'm on a snowboard, I don't snowboard, but I ski. And when I ski, I'm like, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, didn hurt. Yeah. Yeah, don't eat a tree. I've just been Injured so many times in my life that I see people falling down the last time I ski too I did wipe out pretty hard she skis. I don't like that your legs I feel like I'm gonna tie my legs into a into a into a knot Yeah, but I don't like being attached to that board nope because when you hit ice and you fall forward

Well, I that yeah head first right out I know a dude who got fucked up on a snowboard that way hit the snowboard went up And he landed headfirst and just got wrecked out cold. You know friends had to find him Yeah, I teach I teach somehow I've taught all my friends had a snowboard and I've never had anybody get hurt too bad It's always like you know, that's crazy bunny hill to like, you know, whatever Shane my friend Shane Dorian that I was just talking about He destroyed his knee snowboarding. Yeah slammed into a tree tore it apart How do you get reconstructive surgery and you know think about that guys whole life is riding waves? Shane Dorian. Yeah. Yeah, and now yeah awesome surfer

Yeah Shane Dorian yeah, yeah, and he's a certain house. Yeah awesome server Yeah, big wave server, and so you know how to get his knee reconstructed as soon as he got fixed right back to snowboard Yeah, I mean dude. It's the thing you love. It's the thing you love I don't get it no matter how many dung beetles fly up my ass. I see I just keep going back to the jungle I understand, but I don't get it. I do understand I just like my brain didn't go down that path, but I get the path. I could have gone down that path I see it. I'd see the lure. I see the lure the big wave. I see the lure the jungle I see it. I think you do it in a lot of I think you you You know, I think you do a lot of things obsessively

I think that when you get interested in something, whether it's elk hunting or whether it's archery or whatever it is, you go 100%. And so you kind of get that same hit from it. These guys have just attached themselves to something that's insane. I think it's in everything. I think everything is like that.

There's things that human beings find that are complicated and challenging. We gravitate towards those things because we get these rewards of accomplishment. I think these rewards of accomplishment are built into our system of what it is to be a human being and what our purpose is on earth. And I think that you can live your whole life and not find a thing that you find challenging and rewarding. And I think that's a tragedy, because I think you're living a boring ass life.

And there's a lot of people, that's the great Thoreau quote, most men live lives of silent desperation. And that's real. Most people don't have a thing that they do that excites them, and it's difficult, and it's challenging and rewarding. And that's not a good life. It's a safe life, right? That's what people want. They want a safe life people want to retire I want to go off in the sunset

It's all bullshit You do you want a life filled with challenges and rewards and you want to learn about yourself along the way? You want to make mistakes because that's how you grow you want to do challenging things because that's how you find out how far you Can push yourself you want to learn more because it elevates your capacity to understand things. It's part of being a human. It's a fascinating thing that's elective and that's the part about it that makes it interesting. It's elective. You don't have to do it. You can get a very plain boring job that's not challenging or intriguing and just exist. And you can exist on bad food,

and you can exist on bad information, and watch television all day, and never challenge your mind, and just dull yourself with alcohol, and slowly rot until your body gives out. I think a lot of people clip their own wings, thinking that, you know, that's not me. Yeah, that's true too.

I don't have access to that. And then you don't realize that the difference between you and Goggins or, you know, McNamara is just, it's just obsession. It's just go out and do it. And a lot of times it's getting on a path. And then like, think about Goggins, like when he first started that,

what if he never did decide to get fit? What if he stayed that 300 pound dude who's just drinking milkshakes all day, and he was big and fat, and he couldn't even run 100 yards? That's who he was when he first started working out. And a switch flipped, and he got on a path, and he stayed on that path. He wasn't on that path his whole life.

And then all of a sudden he gets on that path and becomes the biggest psycho of all time on that path. He wasn't on that path his whole life. And then all of a sudden he gets on that path and becomes the biggest psycho of all time on that path. But you have to either have a traumatic event that wakes you up or some sort of just boundless innate optimism that makes you think it's possible. I don't know if there's a you have to have this or that. I think there's a whole bunch of different things that can happen to people. I think near-death experiences, I think loss of a loved one, I think maybe a realization that sometimes people just wake up and say I can't do this anymore. Whatever they're doing that's boring or sucky or just soul-sucking, they just get to a point

where they go I can't do this anymore and sometimes it's just like an alcoholic hits rock bottom. It's like I'm not drinking anymore. I'm fucking done. And people do, my friend Dave did that He never went to rehab didn't do nothing. He crashed his car He got he got arrested because he ran away from the scene the the accident he was drunk driving He said I'm never drinking again never drank again To the day died just just just quit and just reached his limit didn't go to alcoholics anonymous. They're like you have to go He's like no. I don't I'm just not drinking anymore. I'm done.

And he just had to, his whole life, he was a drunk. He just had to get to this point where he's like, this can't be me anymore. Yeah, he just disgusts yourself. There's a whole bunch of different ways to get to that. Sometimes you get to it through inspiration. Sometimes you get to it through desperation. Sometimes you get to it just through intrigue.

Like sometimes, you walk into a jujitsu gym, and you've never even done a martial art in your whole life. You take a lesson and you're like, oh my God, this is so fun. And then five years later, you're a fucking jujitsu wizard and you're obsessed with it and you train every day and you're on this new path as a human being because you found a thing that excited you. And it could be big wave surfing.

It could be playing chess. There's probably a thing out there that resonates with you, you just haven't had it, and then there's the thing of getting outside of your comfort zone, which people don't like to do. That's where people struggle. Yeah, because they have never had any experience with it, and they don't understand the reward of doing it, but the people that do do it all the time, whether it's, you know, David Goggins or Jocko or anybody that you see that's like a fitness influencer or people that are like super fit they just stay on the path That's the key. Yeah, the key is just just every fucking day is a new challenge

You don't want to do it every day if you're a guy who runs marathons There's no fucking way you want to run every day But you know if you want to run a sub three hour marathon You got to run every fucking day, and you got to check your heart rate You got to make sure you're eating correctly you got to do all those things It's fucking hard to do but because it's hard to do people get obsessed. You know maybe they run a 5k They're like I can't believe I did it wow I ran three miles, and then the next thing you know You know what I'm gonna run a half marathon, they prepare for a half marathon and the next thing you know they're a fucking runner you know well but that's and that's and that's the

thing that to me what I see is so many people going you know especially like at this point people like oh I can't believe you know you do this work in the jungle and they go I I always wanted to do this and I listened to when people say I always wanted to do it I'm like go do it yeah go do it some people can't right because some people I mean the reality is some people have families and they have mortgages And they have loved ones they take care of there's not a chance in hell You can take a father of four now and also in this guy can become a jungle keeper It's just he's not gonna leave Ohio and you know and quit his job in Columbus

And I mean not full-time, but I'm saying he could he could do something you could do something But the point is you you went on this path very or how old were you when you first started this path? 17 yeah, see that's a good age 17 you don't know what the fuck is going on in the world. You're young. You're all full of cum You're fucking teachers tell you what to do Yeah, fuck these people fuck these people and then you know there's no rules Telling you what to do. Yeah, fuck these people. Fuck these people.

And then you have confidence and intelligence, and you decided to make this a path, and then you find this incredibly rewarding part of the path, which is saving the rainforest. And so now you have a reason to live. So your life becomes filled with meaning. And that's the problem with a lot of people, even that have jobs that are really good jobs,

they don't have meaning. And that's why people fill their life up with bullshit. They just buy things and do cocaine and fucking, you know, get a luxury yacht. You know, they just get these things that are trying to fill some sense of purpose and meaning because they don't really enjoy what they do. They don't get just purely satisfied by what they actually do. They need all these other things to motivate them to keep doing it, and then they get caught up in this numbers game

where a guy only has a billion dollars, feels like a loser when he's hanging out with Jeff Bezos. I never understood that, dude. I never understood making it past a certain amount of income and not just going, cool, now I'm gonna go enjoy. Now I'm gonna take care of my friends. Now I'm gonna take care of that one neighbor that I always knew needed help now I'm gonna do this and just start doing good with that shit and there are people who

do that I could tell you as a person who grew up poor yeah one of things that happens is first initially you worry that you're not gonna be able to maintain it that's initial fear that's that's super super common and guys start getting like really famine but it really interesting when they start making more money Yeah, they start getting more freaked out about money. I understand that happens But there's a little see that with like a lot of Hollywood people they like change how they talk about things They change their opinions. They want they don't want to take any risks, you know So you want to keep that gravy train rolling?

But if you're doing something you enjoy doing, then I think, especially if you're independent, like podcasters, right, that's a good example. Start making money in podcasting, you're like, oh, this is great. I just can make money doing a thing that I love to do. I'm not gonna stop doing it. Why would I stop doing it?

And I also can keep making a lot of money. I think I'll just keep doing it, especially since I enjoy it. So I don't even think about it like doing it for the money. I think about like, I would like to talk to Paul. He's an interesting dude. He lives in the Amazon. Oh, this is my job. I get to talk to Paul. Why would I stop? I mean, I would do this for free, but I'm not going to. Yeah, but you're also you've trans said you've you're in the you know you've you've you've changed the world of podcasting You've kind of like flown above that I'm saying but even for the normal guy at a business Yeah, but all that makes it first accident. I know but I'm saying a normal person makes his first five million

You know what I mean? Like people do you know now? I need 30 more you need more because you got a mortgage You got this you got that what if your kids go to college? Also, your money's not gonna be worth as much because of inflation and what if you're If you invest in this fucking hedge fund and this and that and this goes under or where you're an idiot and invest in NFTs. Yeah, or Bitcoin. I know a dude who just lost a load of money in crypto coin you get nutty and think it's free money and like no it's some kind of crazy thing That's don's going on We got fake money some weird created money, and you just spent a lot of real money to buy some of this weird

like fucking imaginary money Digital money do you want to buy a what were those things those fake pictures that people bought for a while and FT. Yeah No, what was that that what was that that was crazy bro and they sold for millions of dollars I know a dude who made he got rich he was an artist yeah but he got rich selling NFTs yeah yeah in the beginning when everyone was like frothy with it it sold and then they dropped to nothing so I always have all these people coming up to me and they're like oh man you're trying to raise money

for the rainforest now like you need you need to get into the NFT market. So like I almost got got by the NFT people Yeah, no, I've had multiple occasions where I've been asked to do things for NFTs And I've been asked to do things with crypto and I was like, I don't even know what it is So how the fuck am I gonna do how am I gonna endorse? Like I won't endorse something unless it's a product that I've used or makes Sense or they can explain to me. Oh, this is how it works. Okay, it makes sense But if you're doing something like an NFT like Jamie try to explain to me like six or seven times Yeah, and I was like, okay, but you have it on your phone, right?

So I can take a screenshot and I have it on my phone too. No, but you don't own it. Okay, what does that mean? I have the same thing you have, I have the exact same experience of having this million dollar yacht ape. Is that what it was called? No, it was the board ape. What was the board ape?

What was the apes? It was just a fucking cartoon picture of a monkey. What were they called though? Was it yacht apes or board apes? Was there was like one that a lot of people were buying and I was like what the fuck are you paying money for this It's crazy called the board board a club. Oh, that's word a okay Boarding show show an image of what these fucking things are and what was the most expensive one that went for? By the way, that's an NFT. Okay thing? Yeah, but that's a whole different...

Gigachat? Yeah, that's Elon Musk. Giga-chat. Ornate. Okay. Did it just change color because we talked about it? Yeah, that thing... No, that thing is...

Does it know? That's like a digital piece of art. That's a completely different thing. So you have to plug it in? Yeah, but that thing was a gift from an artist people oh yeah sorry people but people's he puts up digital art every fucking day so when you he has like a gallery and you go there and he's just giant digital art it's like those kind of NFTs make sense this thing is

like a shit cartoon and how much did they go for? So those numbers at the bottom right there are showing that that would be like, I think it's ether. So 111 ether would be the price. That's 3000 a coin right now. So it'd be 300 grand, but 300 grand. It said it was sold at 769. So it's sold at 769. So that would have been close to a million. So it was sold at 769. So it was sold at close to a million dollars. And what is that? Getting into the screenshot thing is a tough thing, because it's like you own a car, but me having a picture of your car on my phone doesn't mean I own your car.

Yeah, but you don't understand what I just said earlier. I said it's the exact same experience. The experience of having it on your phone is very different than the experience of you having a picture of my car. That's the same with any art then. That's just the argument for art. No, but it's not because... Cards are bad example. But Mona Lisa, I can look at the Mona Lisa on my phone all day long. I don't own it.

Right. But there's a big difference between owning the Mona Lisa on your phone. So like the Mona Lisa was only on a phone and you could just screenshot it and you would also have the exact same experience of the Mona Lisa. The difference in the physical Mona Lisa is it's hundreds of years old. It's painted by a master. You don't just own it on your phone is the sort of the thought. But you do. Where do you own it then?

But the thing is you can replicate- Your phone's an access point to where you do own it. That's like saying your bank account is only on your phone, but it's not. I hear what you're saying, but it's not the same because there's no real value in that NFT it's fake like the experience of having it is no different it's not like I mean I get that you're saying that it's money look I'm gonna trade it as money I agree with everything you're saying as someone that is invested in this stuff and I'm like how much did you waste how much did you waste I didn't

waste any because I was getting stuff when it was you're gonna get a chief or whatever, you know, like I bought it at the right time. I could have sold it and made a bunch of money, but I did not. I would have had to pay taxes and all that money to write people are doing or did and all that stuff. It's all so kooky. The thing I was going to bring up is I'm in the sports cards. Now those are why is that stuff worth money? Well, because they're original physical things. And then they're also like, have serial numbers on them. I guess if you had a fake one. That's where you don't know if anyone's faking it.

But the thing is, the real ones, you're also getting like a little piece of history. Like this arrowhead. If somebody made this arrowhead, and I didn't know, because guys do make arrowheads. There's a lot of modern day people that make arrowheads. But this one was found at a friend of mine's ranch. I have a bunch of these I have a few of them at home

They're they're fucking amazing because these are like little windows into a time in history that was not that long ago That was right here, and they're all over the place somebody made that somebody made that and it took a long-ass time And then they had to make the rods for the arrows They had a which is not that easy. No, no, it's not like you know the forest right now We know it's kind of perfectly straight stick Well, not only that you have to use sinew to make the string for your bow Yeah, you have to know what woods to use for the bow you have to know how to harden those woods and

If you're making a recurve bow now,ve bow, now you're talking even crazier. Even if you're just trying to make a simple long bow. A simple long bow. And you have to be accurate with that thing. And so that means you have to have enough arrows to practice with. Fire is the same thing. Every time I try and show someone how to make fire,

it's like, this is such a process. It's such a process. Just to get fire started. Yeah. Which is, again, it's like, this is such a process. Just to get fire started. Yeah. Which is, again, it's so much fun being out in the jungle because whoever you are, no matter how rich you are, no matter how hot your shit is, you're out in the jungle,

you're shitting with the dung beetles just like the rest of us. Do you bring fire starter? You know that stuff? So like they sell, they have like bricks of this stuff or cords of it. You cut off a little bit of a piece of it And then you have a flint and a piece of steel and you knock the two of them together like this this deal

It's like those rods the yeah, they're all right exactly Yeah, that's exactly what it is right and you you light that stuff, and it's it's soaked in chemicals It's probably fucking terrible to breathe in but that will keep fire for a long time. Yeah, you can use it to start fires Yeah, we don't. We, I mean, we just bring, I mean, usually we just have a lighter with us, but it's, there have been times. It's wet.

That's the problem. So the only real way, especially in the rainy season, the wood is soaked through. Like if this was a stick, it's soaked through and through. It's not gonna burn. You have to be very creative. You have to like put some diesel fuel in a tuna can

and make a fire over that And then let the let that burn for a little bit so it dries everything out it dries everything out And then like even then it's a very like it's not a very enthusiastic fire, right? I guess I'll burn if you need me to you're trying to like hook a pot of beans And it's your last pot of beans, and it's all the food you got oh my god And yes things don't want to burn, but when there's rain we're happy So you never bring like a little Bunsen burner, those little camp, those little lightweight ones? No. No? No, and honestly that's a great idea for expeditions,

but what we do, we bring these big propane tanks and just throw it on the boat, and if you can't bring that then nothing, but like what we have at the camping stores here, they have like the little ones, they go in your backpack, they just don't sell those in the, where we go. right, you know, so like you can't bring them plane Oh, you can't know you can't bring a propane tank on a plane You can't like if you go like rei and by whatever those little camp stoves have in them You can't bring that on the plane. So is there a place where you can receive packages? We can get it shipped to you? Yeah, we could probably get it shipped to Lima

and then have it shipped down or whatever else. But I mean, right now we have a system that works, but again, to me, this may be me being like a Luddite, but it's like when we're out on expeditions, like to me, I want everyone's shit off. Like people are like, oh, I have this new device, I can get network anywhere. I'm like, turn it off.

That makes sense. Turn it off this the thing about this is it helps you boil water jet boils what they call so it's this little thing it's got a little tank and it lasts for days yeah you just cook it up when you want to cook food you know you turn it on you have a little thing with you and freeze-dried food and shit that's a lot of these guys pack when they go 30 miles deep into the woods they have coffee real quick, you can make a coffee if you want to. I brought a guy who used to work at National Geographic on an expedition with me and it was a couple local guys,

me and my friend Mohsen and him, and we went up this river and in hindsight, he was like, he actually thought we were messing with him. He was like, this can't be what you guys do. He was like, you just have a fucking boat and tents. He was like, it was, I mean, the bugs, the sand, the brutal, the sun beating, he goes, why don't just have a fucking boat and tents. He was like, it was the bugs, the sand, the brutal, the sun beating. He goes, why don't you have a fucking roof?

Do you become accustomed to the bug bites? Yeah. So is it just you just deal with it, or does your body develop any kind of an antibody to it or anything? To the sand fly bites, like me and JJ get bitten, and we bleed, but we don't get the elevated skin like that. So your body doesn't react to it anymore. Dude, wasp bites. and we bleed, but we don't get the, like, the elevated skin like that classic.

So your body doesn't react to it anymore. Dude, wasp bites. I don't even react to bullet ant bites anymore, dude. I'm on number 11. What are you talking about? I'm talking about, like, I just got bit by a bullet ant as I was trying to go to bed. I got up to go to bed.

I was, like, doing something with people. I stood up, and I know the feeling by now. You're just like, oh, there it is again. Bit me right in the foot. I just went to bed. No way. Yeah. They're stopping. It's starting to lose its efficacy on me.

Wow. Enough bullet ants. I didn't know that that was the case. Because I saw those rites of passage thing that they do. They take these guys, the glove, and they fill their hand up with bullet ants. And they have the bullet ants stuck in the glove so they can't go anywhere.

So they just keep fucking you up. And it's supposed to be some thing that they do that is like a religious experience It's it's a it's a right of passage. It's a right of passage. So they'll they'll they'll pair It's kind of like a bonding thing though like find a video that it's a it's a fucking mad right of passage thing They'll take like a young man do it to him And then they'll have a girl take care of him afterwards and it's and it's like sort of try I think trying to encourage them to like pair up oh I know that Steve-O did it I saw a video of Steve-O. Of course he did that retard. Every time I talk to him I'm like please stop. Please stop. Don't let people punch you. Please stop.

Don't let this happen. Just take care of yourself. Please stop. You've done so much. Yeah he's so banged up. Such a wild man. Have You ever seen the one when he was in Africa and he climbed up the trees and a lion climbed up the trees with him and pulled his hat off? Yeah. Those are real lions. Like lion lions.

I always wanted to ask about that because he's in a hammock and they have meat hanging from the hammock and there's lions like biting their asses. Yeah, I don't understand him. He looks good. They play keep away with hyenas. So he's got it on he's freaking out

Sure, let me hear some volume What a fucking psycho Wild boys was a show you you can get stung by those things now And I thought it was like, my friend Steve got it. He said it was like 12 hours of excruciating pain. And he said he could barely walk. My first one was like that. My first one was like that.

I was like out. Like your lymph nodes swell up. You have horrible pain in your body. You have a headache. One bite, one bite to the arm. And now. Did you do it on purpose? Yeah.

Oh. Because the guys were like, yo, what up? They're like, you think you're tough? Big guy? Cause down there I'm big, up here I'm not big. Down there they're like, oh, you're a big guy, huh? Does anybody work out? You're the only guy who works out in the jungle.

You're out there doing chin ups and they're like, what the fuck is this guy doing? I'm sure they do. Cause I'm in the sun with my shirt off doing pushups, sit ups, pull ups, doing my jungle workout. And they're like walking by like, what's wrong with Gringo Loco? Why does he do this?

Crazy fucker. But then I go climb the giant trees and I'm like, all right, listen. Yeah. You want to come? And they're like, no. But they, so they said you think you're tough. So they took a bullet ant

and you play bullet ant roulette. You just, you know, so we each do, we take a bullet ant and I put it on my arm. So it starts walking around and then you take your arm We just mash our forearms together and we go like this. Oh boy whoever it stings. Oh boy. It's super fun It's a great drinking super fun. Dude you mix that with sounds really fun. Awesome. Sounds really fun So much so you were wrecked for how long? How about a day and a half? I took it really bad That's not fun. Take it really bad. You and I have a different

Excitement of wondering who it's gonna hit is fun. I would rather not know. Dude, I don't wanna know what that feels like. See, that's different. When I see the wet paint sign, I go, really? I don't. Oh, see. I go, oh, that's paint.

Somebody painted it. I don't respect that guy's work. No, no, I can never. I have to, and with the dumbest things, too I'm gonna look at you like so how many times did you do it voluntarily? Do that okay? No never more than once and every other time after that was just every other time than that you're just doing your life And there's pain rating 4 plus on the Schmidt signing pain index sting pain index the highest possible rating

And you can just go to sleep after that causes waves of pain for up to 12 hours after a single sting No, I study for use as in biological insecticides of course it is of course it is paralyzes insects and causes pain in humans affects voltage gated sodium channels and blocks synaptic transmission in this central nervous system Yo, how many people die from bullet ants? I don't know, but it does feel like something that at the level where you have it as a glove... Could kill you. Yeah, like, I feel like, given the intensity that my system felt from one... Do you think that those people have already been stung a couple of times by the time?

Yeah, those kids have grown up being stung. So JJ said he didn't have shoes until he was 13 so he grew up walking through the jungle he said he had his first bullet and ant sting when he was like two years old oh my god which like as a two-year-old that's like being stung in the face by like a wasp the size of imagine what that feels like if you're a baby that just fucks you and yeah so so they are experiencing it akin to what you experience now So when they're putting the glove on even though it's horrific and it's getting their whole hand and there's a bunch of Those bullet ants in there. They're probably much more custom. I Think that they have because they've grown up in the jungle

They must much more custom But I mean you're watching Steve-O do it. Like, I would think twice before putting my hand in that glove and not having a hospital nearby. Because I would think that you could go, that could be overwhelming to your system. They're very intense. It's not a joke.

Like, I could get bitten by a bullet ant right now and go, all right, well, we're gonna do the rest of our day because I feel like it. But what you really wanna do is just stop living. Because it just hurts everywhere. Yes, it hurts everywhere. So is it that you just accept the pain and you understand what it is and you don't freak out?

Or is it your pain threshold, has it lowered because you've done it a bunch of times so your body's immune to it? Yes, it has to lower to the point that you can make the decision to grit and bear it. Because at first, it's so bad that you walk around going, wow, wow, wow, and you're like, wait, okay, if I walk, I'm in pain.

If I lay down, I'm in more pain. There's nothing you can do. There's nothing you can do. You're just fucked. And so now it's different. And now I'm like, man, god damn it. And I'm like, well, let's go do what we're gonna do anyway So now is it like a wasp sting to a normal person yeah

So now a wasp sting to me like I'll just catch a wasp now cuz like I was like you know like I come home And I see people like running from a yellow jacket, and I'm like I'll just like grab it with my hand Let it we were talking about this yesterday I genuinely think that people must feel pain differently and it makes sense that some people just I don't even think it's a tolerance thing I think it feels different I think that's sort of like the same thing with spicy food and there's a bunch of different things like that cold water There's things that people can tolerate and it seems like they're not just being tougher now Like it's not as hard for them. Like there's a you know, maybe their

Ancestry evolved around being in pain all the time. So they got a custom to it. Why do they have physical makeup? Dude, my friend Noel, my childhood best friend, he always calls me and he goes, "'Dude, you wanna go surfing in Montauk?' And I go, "'Bro, it's February. "'It's fucking February.

"'There's gonna be ice on the water.'" And he's like, "'Yeah, but the swell is awesome. "'Well, wear wetsuits.' "'So one time I tried it with him. "'I will never do it again, ever.'" So. Well, we're wetsuits. So one time I tried it with him. I will never do it again, ever. Are your hands in a wetsuit or no? No.

Oh boy. You have boots on, but it's so fucking, every time a wave washes over you, it goes flying down your back. Of course. You're in ice cold water, and yes, the waves are incredible. I don't care. And you can't breathe, right?

I mean, it's so, it's like, I mean, you do the cold plunge all the time and it's like. Yeah, but I'm not moving. And you're not out there for four hours. Exactly. And you're not sitting on your board waiting for a wave to come. I'm not trying to balance my cold ass knees.

But so to me, I look at Nolan, I go, oh shit, either he's way tougher than I am, or he just is predisposed to not really giving a shit about cold water. I hate cold water. It could be that, but it or is it could be you get? Acclimated you get accustomed as because we're talking about people. Yeah, we adjust to our environments We just to all kinds of different things you probably get accustomed to that experience and the rush of riding those waves

Yeah, is and it's also there's a thing about being a badass putting that wetsuit on well That's where it gets ocean. That's where it gets me, where it goes, no, I'm gonna make myself do it. That's where I get myself on it, where it's like there is a certain satisfaction to going, yeah, take it, take another frozen wave. If you're warm in your house and you're looking outside and it's fucking snowing and there's ice on the ground

and you're looking at your wetsuit, you're warm, you're warm,'re warm you're drinking soup you know you got some chicken noodle soup oh you're just so warm and you're watching television why would I go to the ocean good mood night are you guys really gonna go let's not go you sure you wanna pussy we're gonna go and the guy comes back with fucking icicles in his beard and shit yes there's a that we admire those people well you you, you fuckin' savage, you said you wake up cold and go in your cold plunge.

That's not that hard. That's terrible. It's not that hard. To wake up cold and not do any pushups or something? Did you tell me he worked up a sweat first? No. I would say, okay fine. I do it sometimes after the sauna,

but then I always finish on the cold. Yeah, but that feels good. If I do that, I never go cold, sauna, heat up, and then go outside. I go sauna, cold, sauna, always end on cold. So you always freeze your dick off at the end. Oh, god. But it's not that hard.

It's three minutes. If you count slowly to 10 two times, it's three minutes. That's what I found. So I just count slowly to 10 for three minutes and that's it I respectfully disagree with you I think this is one of those things where you you have found that this is a way for you to sort of flex For yourself and you've gotten used to it and you've come up with a system. I would never I just do certain things I just don't want to do. Yeah, it's not I don't want to do it every day every day

I don't want to do it, but I tell myself shut the fuck up pussy pick up the lid Yes, put it down climb in you know you're climbing in stop set your oh, I do want to say Garmin your new Phoenix 8 watch shuts off when you get in the cold plunge no So this is a feet. I have a phoenix 8 and I have a phoenix 7. They're awesome I love these things, but the phoenix 7 I have to wear when I do the cold plunge So if I work out with that one, but this one has a better heart sensor Yeah, this one this one's just better overall they but it sucks that if you go in cold water

It doesn't make any sense like yeah, how did you go backwards the old one you go into cold water nothing happens The old one you go into cold water and nothing happens Underwater operating temperature range zero to four. Yeah, that's not true. So Google this Phoenix a shutting off cold plunge Google that Trust me I looked it up online. It's not just me Yeah, that's what everybody knows is so if I'm in the water for five seconds It shuts off damn. Yeah, so they're apparently gonna fix that they think it's a hope It's a software issue. They better fix it now, but the crazy thing is they have a dive feature on this watch

So if you're swimming and you're diving and you're in cold water, it's going to shut off. That could, I mean if you're down there and you're like, how much time do I got on this tank? Exactly. You can't have your watch turned off. Right. And if you get down to depths and it's below 40 degrees, it's probably going to shut off. I don't even know what temperature it shuts off, but people have done it in cold water. So they've taken a glass of cold water and dropped the watch in cold water and it

shuts off. Not good, Garmin. It's just not good that you just released this thing and didn't know. And didn't check it. How did you not check for cold plunges when you got a dive function on the watch? Interesting.

Yeah, so apparently they think they could fix it with software, which I hope is true. Well, that would be good. But the 7 works. That just doesn't make any sense. I've never had a problem with the 7. I put the 7 on in the sauna, I put it make any sense I've never had a problem with the seven I put the seven on the sauna I put it on the cold never have a problem with it. Yeah, well I'm like that watch cold kryptonite

The message board say it's a software issue And you can fix it by putting it in beta if you know how to do that right but beta disables the dive function Yeah, so the beta that they put out it disables the dive function I think there there's some talk of another workaround like maybe shutting off the Touchscreen that maybe that would help but the problem is it's like you have a watch that everybody's used to cold plunging in They used to jumping in the ocean in they used to doing stuff in and then the new one doesn't let you do it That's you can't release that. You've got to fix that before you.

You didn't have to sell it yesterday. Yeah. I mean it just came out like I think September. I took I ordered one. It took a while to get there. I was all excited. And then first cold plunge. I'm like what in the fuck.

That's a wolf tooth. That's a wolf tooth. Yeah. I forget who gave me that one. Yeah. I got a lot of shit here man from cool stuff that people have given me. But, you know, having things like that, like a watch that does GPS, like this watch has maps on it, shows your elevation, you can get a lot of information off of these things, and you can track waypoints on them.

And I always use a thing called Onyx Hunt as and onX hunt is a software app you download maps for the specific regions and you can hit it a track on there no it doesn't I bet it can I don't know how to do it I don't do it on your phone I just do it on my phone I use this mostly for elevation you can use GPS on it but it will drain your battery a lot quicker because if you don't use it if I don't use the GPS function this thing will go like 30 plus days with without charging without charging Yeah, and monitoring your heart rate doing all kinds of different shit. It's a flashlight. It's built in a Flash yeah, look at that flashlight built in

It's not so if you're out in the woods and you don't have a flashlight It's LED flashlight and it lasts for fucking ever that's it's LED because it doesn't draw a lot of power These fucking things are incredible, but this new one. Yeah, you guys fucked up But having those things like do you bring an inReach or anything? Well, I mean because we also do tourism we bring do tourism. We bring out a sat phone. But now, dude, now Starlink. Now at our base, at the Treehouse and at our research station, we have two different Starlinks. So we have better internet there than I have in the Hudson Valley in New York. Isn't that incredible?

It is. It is. It's absolutely incredible. It really is amazing. It's amazing how small it is, too. You can also take it and put it on a boat if you need to. So like, so I finally let like Lex broke me down on this. I finally started a YouTube channel and it's like,

I'm gonna start bringing people on all kinds of shit. Cause now I can just stream it from there. Fuck TV crews. You can have it. I'm gonna take people on night walks. On the roof of your car. As you're driving around in the jungle. Yeah, well hopefully there's no roads,

but I wanna take people like I could literally. Put on your backpack. I could put it on my jungle. Yeah, well hopefully there's no roads, but I wanna take people, like I could literally. Put it on your backpack. I could put it on my backpack. Yeah, you probably could literally have it flat on the top of your pack. Yeah. And walk around, at least catch some signal. Catch some signal or, you know, for the boat,

like if we go, look, we're gonna be going four hours upriver and we know that there's an invasion and we're going with the police to go check out these loggers, and there's gonna be some fucking action going down. Throw the Starlink on the boat. I could live stream that and take people with me. Whoa. Yeah.

Or now, so we, a few weeks ago, I sent you that picture of that huge anaconda, the one with the blue eyes. Yeah. And we've been working slowly on breaking the 20 foot mark. That one was 19 something. And so we've been working more and more on the Anaconda project and my guys,

and you know, like when you have your people with elk hunting where they go, dude, I saw an elk there, like in certain people you trust. My guys, they went, we found one that's over seven meters and they haven't caught it yet. We're talking over 21 feet So we've broken 19, right? And so we're gonna be going out for that. And so that's the type of thing where I'm going Imagine bringing people because I after our first show the comments were hysterical where people going this guy's full of shit

Like absolutely hysterical people just about the anacond the anacondas? About everything we talked about. Oh, that's funny. Like the internet was just like, great show, this guy's full of shit. There's so much documentation of it. I know, I know. All they have to do is go to your page. They were like, oh, this guy really is there.

Some of them were really funny. I laugh at a lot of the comments. They were like, oh, I'll take that, never fucking happened for 300 Alex. Like, you know, it's like, okay, great. Well, people always want to say that. People always want to say that, but now, it's like now okay, great. Well, people always want to say that. People always want to say that, but now, it's like now we can fucking live stream this shit.

And we go jump on a snake with a head this big. So we're putting together an expedition to do this now. And it's gonna be fun. In these areas that you go to, have they ever done any of those lidar explorations of it where they fly drones over to try to map out if there was some ancient structures in these areas? Yeah, so we talk to local people and they find the terra-preta earth and the pottery

in the areas that it is. So usually the places that it is, and we kind of talked about this, like the Graham Hancock. I always want to say Graham Watkins Graham Hancock I think that on the Amazon proper I think there was a lot of civilizations out in the tributaries where I am it's very rare to come across those things those ancient civilizations those people the uncontacted tribes out in the tributaries they're probably live in the way they've been living for thousands and thousands and thousands of years so my book publisher it was so funny, um,

I got, I got kind of like, I was writing something and I said something about these Stone Age warriors, what this guy must have seen as these Stone Age warriors came and murdered him with arrows and they were like, how dare you call them Stone Age warriors? And I went, well, they don't even have stones. So first of all, right, they're really stick age. Yeah, did I just get woked for? So dumb. Is Stone Age a bad thing to say? But I mean, it's not very often

that you come into that problem because we wouldn't call most normal people Stone Age people. Well, the Native Americans were essentially Stone Age. Well, he uses it in Empire of the Summer Moon. He goes, well, these Stone Age warriors are da da da. And I was like, well, these are pretty much Stone Age people. And so I wrote it and I basically got told like,

hey, don't say that. God, how weird is that? Yeah. I also lost a book deal because I retweeted that Elon Musk liked our tree house, but. She lost a book deal? Yeah, I had an amazing meeting with like all the people. This lady was like, you know,

like the devil wears Prada, like Meryl Streep. Like she was like the big head honcho, one of the major publishers. And they were like, dude, your next book is gonna kill. She had like 20 other people on this Zoom call. We had like an hour long thing. We talked about you. She was like, and how close are you with Joe Rogan?

And I was like, I was like, we're bros? And then they were like, well, you know, either way, it was going really good. And I'm thinking- Liberals. I was thinking I was gonna get a life-changing amount of money.

I was thinking I was gonna get like a million dollar book deal and that got confirmed through a bunch of avenues that it was a big one. And then, and they were very impressed with Lex. They love Lex. And she was like, you have Lex Friedman in the Amazon? I said, he's right over there. I was like on the phone, on Starlink,

talking to this publisher. And she's like, so your next book is gonna tell the whole story? I said, he's right over there. I was like on the phone on Starlink talking to this publisher. And she's like, so your next book is gonna tell the whole story? I said, yeah. And then that week, Elon tweeted, cool tree house. Now, when the greatest inventor of your generation tweets on anything that you did, you share it. So I shared it.

The publisher got back and went, not only are we not even, we're just not making an offer anymore. Wow. They don't like the type of people that I associate with. Just you retweeting that. You sure it wasn't me? No, it was him.

They vetted you. They were like, how close are you with him? And I was like, listen to me, he's the fucking nicest guy in the world. I was like, you can't, I was like, and they were like, would he write a forward for your book? And I was like, I don't, I was like, I think like I need like a more need like a Harrison Ford to do that.

Like, I don't know, like Joe could do it, but I was like, I think we need like a less polar. Yeah, they just want like famous people. That's all they were doing. That's all they were doing. They just want famous people, famous people to say you're awesome. But as soon as Elon's name came into the mix,

I didn't know this. Crazy. I was unaware of this, that Elon has people that hate him. Hate him. I didn't know that. Well, it of this that Elon has people that hate him hate him I didn't know that well It's a lot of propaganda that really works and a lot of it is what happened when he took over Twitter So you have to look at it from like what what really happened was there real outrage when he took over Twitter. Yes Yes, there was real outrage but I

firmly believe there's manufactured outrage that's done in a very directed manner. And I think he was most certainly the victim of that as well. And then there was a narrative that continued to get pushed like hate speech on X hate speech. But he's promoting it. Yes, that anti semitism that, that all this stuff is up. Well, if you allow people to just speak freely, you're going to have that. You're going to have that. But you can always not look at that.

But you're also going to have many more good things too. And the point was, what he really exposed was that the FBI was involved in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story and that these journalists who study the Twitter files, Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger and Barry Weiss and all these different people that went over these documents found that, hey, there's something very inappropriate happening where the government is getting these social media companies to take down true stories and to sign off and say that it's Russian disinformation. And Elon confirmed this. And Elon confirmed this. And Elon confirmed this.

So that's when he became very dangerous to them. And so then the narrative of Elon being a white supremacist and Elon being, you know, but then the thing that happens also is he will tweet wacky shit. And then he will retweet wacky shit that turns out to not be true. And all that, they attack and it builds up and you get a Distorted perception of his value in our culture in our society and he's one of the greatest inventors the world's ever known one of the greatest Engineers we have alive and he's involved in multiple different industries and he's changing those multiple industries in Incredible ways what they've done with space travel, with SpaceX, where these fucking rockets can land

now, what they've done with these Starlink things that we were talking about. If it wasn't for Tesla and electric cars, do you really think there'd be as many electric cars as there are today? It wouldn't even be close. You wouldn't have Governor Newsom saying that California has to be all electric by 2035 because no one would be making electric fucking cars like that. There's a documentary from early 2000s, it's called Who Killed the Electric Car. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that in college.

Fascinating, you want some coffee? Yeah. Fascinating documentary. And if it wasn't for Elon and making Tesla's awesome, you wouldn't have all these fucking electric car companies and he makes everything open source okay and that's all fine but my problem is people that take the guy who's trying to save the butterflies and the monkeys yeah and kick me out for that for naughty I've never even met the guy dude it's akin to a Nazi so I have

to pretend to not like him right exactly. Exactly. To align with their worldview. It's what I was talking about with Hollywood when I was talking about how people start making money and they start being very careful about what they say because they're worried about it's gonna go away. You also realize there are consequences like what you experienced. So those are real financial. That's my first time. So that's it. Yeah. And so minor, right? So that is how you get people to stay in line That's how you get people to only think the way they think and then you start reinforcing it in yourself You start wearing pearls and doing all kinds of wacky shit because you want them to like you you want to think they're what? You're one of them

Now that that was really creepy because you know I mean I live in the jungle, but like I hear about all this stuff But I don't know like who the players are right what the temperature is in the room You just thought it was cool the guy said you have a cool tree house It's like one of the coolest guys ever if this guy goes to fucking Mars a Historically relevant inventor said something I did was cool great. Yeah share it, you know and it cost you a million bucks. Yeah This is the world we're living in. That's why, and it's primarily the left that's that wacky. Like if Bernie Sanders had said, cool tree house, and you retweeted that, everybody would have loved you, you would have been fine, and the right wouldn't have attacked you.

They wouldn't have cared. They wouldn't have been upset. You wouldn't have lost businesses. No one from the right would have not given you a book deal because you, uh, Bernie said nice tree house and you're like, thanks, cool. No one would care. It could have been Obama. It could have been anything. I mean, that, by the way, that was so super cool. I loved it. You, you, uh, my friend sent me,

my friend Connor sent me a clip where you were telling one of your guests about me. And so I shared it, but it was like the first time that I shared a clip where you were telling one of your guests about me and so I shared it but it was like the first Time that I shared a clip where it was like really just you talking on my Instagram and the comments were berserk I didn't realize you were such a polarizing person Joe It's the same thing. It's the same thing It's a distorted perception of who you are by people that have very low level information They have surface information and they've decided that you're an alt right this. Or there's been many, many articles written about me being like some fringe right wing

person, which I'm not at all. But if they say it enough times, the people that have low information, they believe it. Well, but this is where I'm interested in when you say like, okay, and this is like the shit that's going on in Israel, the hysteria that everyone's feeling, you're either a good guy or a bad guy, Elon's good, if you like Elon, you're bad. I just wanna see everybody start to calm down. I just wanna see the adults be running the room again.

I think that- Oh, that sounds cute. No, no, no, no, no, no. Pre-911, I'm sorry, when I was a kid, and let's just go back to like, I was in eighth grade in 911. Somehow, back then, it seemed like, I know there's still corruption

and there's a lot of fuckery going on, but somehow things have gotten more off the rails with this stuff where it's like, you know. Remember the Obama-Romney debate where they're like, yo man, what's up? And they're like, we disagree, but we agree. Like, we're both gentlemen here. Like, come on, come on.

Super cordial. Yes. It's very nice. Yeah, and so like, I think that what I've seen in the last few months or in the last year was that a lot of people, again I'm really speaking from my perspective here and I'm just kind of hoping that this is the case

for the rest of the world, that people are chilling the fuck out. Some people are waking up and realizing how stupid it is and how most of the problems that we have are bullshit. Yeah. In terms of problems we we have are bullshit. Yeah. In terms of problems we have with each other. But then the next thing is then we can actually start focusing on, if we're not hysterical

and we're not doing all this crazy shit, then we can actually start focusing on, OK, well, look, how do we fix things in the Congo? How do we fix things in Africa? How do we, in the Amazon, like, how do we pragmatically fix things so that the American food system is better and everyone benefits and stop fucking arguing over it. Yeah, and to realize that this is not a right wing

or a left wing issue, it's a human health issue. A very unhealthy way to argue. And also like real charitable organizations, like real ones, like what you're doing. It's actually helping things. It's actually designed to help It's not designed as some sort of a front to make to cover money and as a tax shelter It's you know, there's a lot of

Philanthropy that's good. Yeah a lot of it a lot of it, but then there's also a lot of philanthropy That's not really philanthropy. It's like posturing. It's money. Sure. It. You're making money with this philanthropy. You've got, it's economic. Well, that's the thing. So now that I have an NGO, we went and looked up all the other NGOs. And like a lot of the NGOs, their CEOs are making $500,000 a year,

like big paychecks. So, and that's where I do think it's, you know. Gets weird. It gets really weird, but I think also that what I it's, you know. It gets weird. It gets really weird, but I think also that what I told the first story I told you about, like when how we saved the ancient forest, it's like, I think what we've done that's very exciting that we're feeling this swell,

we're kind of riding this wave right now, is because the guy with four kids, or classically I had this mom in Ohio message me and she was like, I have two kids, I show them your Instagram, I love what we do. We give you $5 a month. And it's like, $5 a month from enough people and we saved the whole fucking Amazon.

Not to mention that then people like Dax De Silva from Lightspeed reach out and he's like, look man, I won capitalism. I'm gonna fund your whole Ranger team. And it's like, people are reaching out. That's amazing. And so I'm surrounded by all these incredible people that want to do good.

I got approached by those dudes at Vivo Barefoot, shout out to Vivo Barefoot. They have a great, I use their stuff all the time. So they're my first sponsor. That's great. They reached out to me. They make great shit. Well, I also, I hate hiking boots, right?

Those Barefoot hiking boots are legit, the ones they make. They're legit. Well, I like theirs. I hate hiking boots that are constrictive. So they reached out and this was the cool thing. They went, you know, are you interested? But it was like, only if you check out. They were like, are you good?

Are you sustainable? Are you this? And I was like, I run a fucking rainforest organization. And they were like, because, and these guys care so much about their shoe and about how people wear it and about where it's used and the materials. And I just read Yvonne Chouinard's book,

Let My People Go Surfing with a guy who started Patagonia. Dude, he, I mean, he just worships rivers and mountains. And they started making this stuff. And I just think we're on this cusp of that we still can save a lot of the endangered species. I mean, I'm living miracles every day I'm like I'm like watching us Draw in this map of protecting the Amazon and when you're one-third you're like we're gonna do it

And so it's like I just I just think that that as people I got really scared when I got booked That Elon Musk thing was so weird. I was like we all got it. Yeah, whoa I got woke right in the face. It's such an innocuous thing You did it's so funny, but that's like wrong think wrong speak. You're not allowed to like this guy Well, that's the thing who am I allowed to like that's it doesn't none of it makes any sense It doesn't make any sense. So I gotta stay in the jungle man People are just so polarized and it's also you often us to realize that the pressure Yeah, that they're under is not from that many people.

It's like the commenters on Instagram, unfortunately. The reality is most people comment on things all the time, or morons, and they're not happy. They're unhappy morons. So it's a bad sample group, right? So you're getting a lot of people that are making comments, but people, if they're commenting, I would like to know what percentage of comments, and just overall if the internet if anyone's ever

Done this analysis are positive versus negative. I would have to say it's probably at least 5050 Yeah, I would say it's 5050 again I think I'm jaded though because when I look at like I look at If I look at the YouTube comments on a Lex podcast all the comments are like thank you Lex for having this important conversation With my amazing Lex fans Lex fans are great. Yeah Every time in every I don't know a lot of the support that I get online I very people tell me I look like the lead singer of system of a down other than that. There's nothing that I'm not right little bit Middle East not bad. Hey, man. Sir Jenkins a fucking hero. He's a dope. I love that guy

Yeah, he's awesome. I listen to his music every day. If you're, yeah, if you're getting compared, that's a good guy to get compared to. But this polarization is just like, there's a bunch of people that feed into it and they attack people because they know that the people that are on their side are like,

yeah, you're one of the good guys. And so there's that weird shit where you got a lot of really weak people and mentally ill people that like attacking people. That's a lot of what it is. you got a lot of really weak people and mentally ill people that like attacking people And that's a lot of what it is It's a lot of people that lack nuance and understanding but don't you think it's coming back? Don't you think we hit a peak and now it's starting to come back? Yeah, because those people are kind of being exposed for what they really are

They're very damaged human beings like you're people that attack people all the time They're all fucked up all of them them, 100%. Because why would you, you only have so much energy in your day. Why are you spending it getting mad at some guy because he retweeted the greatest genius of our generation, said NiceTreehouse. That's fucking ridiculous. It's a ridiculous thing to get angry about.

I'll tell you, one of the conversations I heard recently was this is like such a simple point, but someone I know was going, forgive me, I don't understand these issues. He was going, how dare they make a mandatory minimum wage. They're going to raise the minimum wage or whatever. So I was watching two people and one guy was passionately going off about this. And he was, I think, a Republican. My other friend was sitting there and it was such a great thing that he did.

He went, that is, he goes, I 100% disagree with you. He goes, but could you explain to me why you think what you think? And they had this amazing conversation where they just debated. Yeah, that's great. And it was with respect. And I was like, oh, fuck, cool.

I watched it like it was a podcast because I don't know who, I don't know any of this shit anyway, so I was just like, I don't know. It's a complicated issue. It's about restaurants and places that operate at the margins. They're very close to going under all the time. And you can get cheap, unskilled labor

from young kids and high school students and people getting first jobs. And that's how they operate. And when you say, no, you have to pay a living wage to everybody who works there, they're like, okay, now this is a lot less money. As a business owner. Yeah.

Yeah. But the point was though that they were able to completely disagree and go I completely fucking disagree with you No, it's there's it was fine. It's great when people can do that. I love that when people don't attach themselves to the ideas That's the problem is almost every man that I know has a hard time women do it too But for men, it's like a dick swinging thing where they have a hard time women do it too, but for men it's like a dick-swinging thing where they have a hard time Not being attached to an idea like if they have espoused an idea if they believe an idea and they're arguing that idea that Idea is a part of them Yeah And they'll even lie and and fuck around with things and like half truths to try to make their point make a little you know

They'll do bad faith arguments. You see it on podcasts all the time where people make bad faith arguments about political issues, you're like, oh God, now I'm never gonna listen to you again. Because I know you do this thing that's a gross thing that you don't have to do anymore because we live in the internet now. Like you don't have to do that gross thing you do

where you pretend you're right about something so that you can win this argument. That's a stupid person's way of talking. If you're right about something so that you can win this argument. That's a stupid person's way of talking. If you're debating honestly, you could, in many situations, be happy to be proven wrong. Yeah. With my friends, if I say there's absolutely no way you can lift that fucking thing, and you do it, I'm like,

I was wrong. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I'm stoked. You just did that. Well, also, it's like, you're not your ideas. I say this all the time, but it's a really important thing for people to recognize. And people, have it in your head. you're not your ideas I say this all the time But it's a really important thing for people to recognize and the people have it in your head

You are not your ideas You are you and these ideas they come and they go and you agree with them or you disagree with them and sometimes you're gonna agree With an idea and then a few years later You can have some life experiences or talk to some people that I make you look at things differently and go you know what? I used to think this but I don't think this anymore, and here's why. And you have to be very cognizant that your ideas can capture you. And then you can be, like so many people are captured by

the way they want people to think of them. This is a very Hollywood thing. They want people to think of them in a very specific way. So they'll say the things that they've heard other people say who are accepted, and they'll talk in a certain way. You know, you get, that's where you get accents from. That's also where you get up talk. You know what up talk is?

So when you do this thing, and so when we build these infrastructures, what we're trying to do, so someone talked like that, and a group of people talked like that, and to get in with that group, you gotta kinda talk like that and a group of people talked like that and to get in with that group you had to kind of talk like that so you let him oh Paul is a really good guy so what Paul is doing is quite amazing Paul goes to the Amazon and he's in the rainforest you know so they're talking to Valley Girl but this is a

thing that they do to let everyone know that they're on the team it's a very tribal thing it's almost like another language. And these tribal things that we do, we attach them to everything. We attach them to religion, we attach them to technology, even health, we attach them to ideologies. And if you don't, if I can't trust you, if you're retweeting Elon Musk,

don't you know he's the devil? You know, if you're hanging out with Joe Rogan, oh my God, he's a piece of shit. Like these people have these like little religious ideas in their head that you can't eat pork, you can't violate this. It's Sunday, motherfucker, why are the lights on? They have these weird laws in their head. They attach them to everything, man.

People have like a place in their mind for religion. And if you do not have religion in your life You will take social issues and you will treat them the same fervor the same fucking fever pitch that people treat Religion that people who are you know evangelical Christians the people who are fucking snake handlers Yeah, you'll you'll do that with your thing And if your thing is trans kids or whatever your fucking thing is no oil now Whatever your fucking thing is it becomes a religion because you don't have religion and the human mind is set up in a way That you need some sort of divine structure

You need something that's bigger than logic bigger than all of us and people will apply those things Wherever they see fit you can join a, and that's a whole different thing. Oh, we're different, we do yoga, and this is our life. We all fuck each other. Yeah, we all fuck each other. I mean, but then there's casualties. Then Kevin Hart doesn't get to do the fucking Oscars. Yeah, but Kevin Hart shouldn't do the Oscars.

Fuck the Oscars. So you shouldn't have- Everybody wanted to do the Oscars. Those things are gross. And what they are is you're having a Contest for art and I think that's gross I get it that it helps your movie sell and if it's an Oscar Academy Award winner And I get that people are celebrated for great work. I get all that it's awesome

Yeah, I get it to celebrate what it's also gross You know and when it was revealed to be gross when Chris Rock was on stage and Will Smith slapped him and then a few minutes later Will Smith wins an Academy Award and they give him a standing ovation after he just assaulted a guy in front of him. It just shows you there's no ethical moral structure to the way these people live in their lives. They're living their life by the whim of what the crowd agrees with. But that's also like group hypnosis.

Yes. Like if you, if that happened in any other situation, like everyone was just like, we don't really know what to do. You know, like you just keep going. Well it's also, they're afraid of being racist. So they don't want us to, two black guys are duking it out. I can't get involved in this.

This is not my thing. I don't know what to do, I'm gay. And like, they're just just sitting there watching this take place. And then they're clapping for him and standing up when he wins the Academy Award And so the rest of the world unbeknownst to them had already cast their judgment Yeah, the rest of the world's like are you out of your fucking mind? Yeah, this is insane And so they're like, oh my god the rest of the world think we're out of our fucking mind because you are out of your fucking

Mind you guys are all in a cult like no, but that's what I mean about it It's else like nobody else walked on stage and just went alright Everybody we're taking five minutes out right you get the fuck over in the corner right you stop. Are you okay? Okay? Great? There's no one on a commercial grabbed him immediately and scored him out of the building everyone just awkwardly Continued on with the night it was not and he awkwardly continued on with his set Great not really no no no no Chris Rock right after that He was all fucked up like his jokes that they were flat everybody was like you just got slapped like this is crazy But that I don't think that was his fault. I think that was because it was totally not his fault

He just got slapped. I thought he did an incredibly classy job of just being like well I'm gonna do the best I can and do my job as a professional He did that he went back on with the script Which is just insane, but the good thing about that is then Chris Rock really became Chris Rock again Yo, like he's he didn't give a fuck anymore. Yo, he's like TV. I'm going on Yo, so he became like Chris Rock from bring the pain again But I think what kept him from doing that in the past was that he was in the club. He's in the club He's hosting the Oscars doing these big movies. You gotta that in the past was that he was in the club. He was in the club, he was hosting the Oscars, doing these big movies.

You gotta be in the club. You gotta be safe. You can't be retweeting Elon Musk. You gotta start learning the rules. You gotta learn the rules. Wait, you would know the answer to this question. So there was, again, I miss all these things. Didn't somebody rush Chappelle on stage

and they took him out? Tell me if my memory's accurate, because I saw a video, I don't remember who tackled the guy or whatever else, but did they like Dislocate his arm. Oh, they beat the fuck. They beat the fuck out of it. They beat the fuck. Yeah Once they got him they beat the fuck out of them. I'm sure they broke his arm. I'm pretty sure Pretty sure he's had multiple injuries. I'm pretty sure a knife. Yeah, I mean he was a crazy homeless person terrible Lapse in security who are the security guys are they got fired yeah?

And it was the whole thing was a fucking mess the guy ran onto the stage I sometimes I do this thing where I don't believe my own memory like I'll see something amazing and I won't really yeah Yes, I'm yeah, it's out of the fucking shit They probably commurred him dude look at his face. He looks like he went through a whole five round fight They beat the show he's lucky. He's alive. You know I mean you go after you know with a knife fuck man, you know I mean you didn't have the knife in his hand but but he had a knife on him like some big fucking dude That's also terrifying brass knuckles looking thing terrifying. Yeah, it's terrifying It's it's terrifying that there's people that are so out of their fucking mind that and it's again the same kind of thing

He's transphobic. He's transphobic jokes are transphobia but words are violence no that's not well that's fine hell listen it's but that's how nuts we are listen that's how nuts we are that a guy can't listen to a special right they didn't listen they don't care that's the thing no one's listening they're not listening to me they're not listening to Elon they're not listening yeah they just they have these things and they're just like to Elon. They're not listening. They just, they have these things and they're just like religious dogma. And they lock down on those things

and Dave Chappelle's a transphobe. We gotta take him out. Dave Chappelle's a living saint. Yeah, he's a beautiful person. He's untouchable. Amazing person. But he makes jokes about things that are real in our culture and that's a real thing in our culture.

And if you say there's a thing that you can't make fun of, that thing's bullshit. If there's ever a thing that you can't make fun of that thing's bullshit If there's ever a thing that you can't make fun of that thing is bullshit Dude, yeah, I Had to do I was taking care of somebody actually I wanted to tell you this I was taking cares I'd take care of somebody that had life-saving surgery and I was helping them recuperate and so I was just staying with them And then it was like, you know, you have a brush with death, you see your mortality, things are down, whatever else. And when we caught our breath,

I was like, let me just do something. And I put on a clip of you, and you were telling the story about a hotel, and it was you, Segura, and Chappelle. But anyway, we were watching you guys do various bits of comedy on YouTube, and you guys made this person laugh comedy on YouTube and I made this person, you guys made this person laugh so hard

we had to stop watching it because they were gonna bust a stitch. It was like the best medicine you've ever seen and it was, you were telling a fucking crazy story about waking up in a hotel and everyone's cramming down the exit. Yeah, the hotel was on fire. Yeah.

That was great and then it was Segura doing when disabilities are funny. He goes, not all disabilities are funny, he goes, but sometimes they're funny. And he does like a 10 minute piece on that. And we're just crying. And it was just such a great transmission of just comedy, just being medicine.

The thing is comedy is comedy. And to try to say it's normal speech is ridiculous Because it's not your opinions It's things that are funny about these things like when someone's saying something about anything that's inappropriate You should never say that that's Louis CK's whole act is saying the wrong thing You're not supposed to say that so he's gonna say it and it's hilarious, but it's also really well written and funny This is not like if you sat him down and asked him his opinion on people and life He will give you a different version. This is just an art form

It's just like a movie like you go to a Quentin Tarantino movie. None of those people really died. Okay, this is just art It's just like something's creating something but that and that's the sense where I feel like it's coming back, because like look at the shit that Chappelle's pulling. Look at the shit that you're pulling. Like, people are saying stuff again. Well people are realizing that you don't have to give into this, because it's a small, very vocal minority of people, but most people are tired of it.

Most people miss old, you don't get a good comedy movie anymore, you don't get super bad anymore. They can't make that movie anymore. I mean, this, human, like Tropic Thunder. Tropic Thunder, you can't super bad anymore. They can't make that movie in your match like the tropic Tropic thunder you can't make that movie. You can't make that book. I asked Robert Downey Jr. He goes. Oh you could We fucked ourselves we fucked ourselves by listening these mental patients I think you know they're all I think some of it's gonna come back because I think it's gonna cut now It's gonna um usually right it'll swing back you look at some of it's gonna come back. I think it's gonna come back, because I think it's gonna, now it's gonna, usually, right, it'll swing back.

You look at movies from the 70s, they're fucking brutal. Oh yeah. Everything now is so sanitized and like, you don't, like. But they're still Tarantino though. He's sort of like. He's the only one. He's sort of like grandfathered in. The last time that I saw a scene in a movie that made me really cringe was in Bastards

when the bear Jew comes out of the cave and the guy is the Nazi soldier, he's on his knees and you're so used to that they cut on impact. He comes out and he fucking takes that swing and they don't cut. I don't know how they film that shit, movie magic, but you go, oh God. Brad Pitt's sitting there chewing on a piece of bread and like clapping You know eating while this guy gets beaten to death and but like I remember being like oh Cuz usually you watch John wick you watch whatever the fuck you watch a thousand people die on screen It doesn't matter, but every now and then they make it so real. Yeah, those 70s movies back in the oh, yeah Cuz all the shit was real. Oh, yeah car chases were real

Yeah, man, and now I watch movies and I'm like dude come on. You remember Bullet? The like 10 minutes of the movies. Steve McQueen? Car chase. Steve McQueen? Yeah. To the streets of San Francisco.

Crazy. A little Mustang and a fucking charger. There's a movie with Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin where Anthony Hopkins has to fight a bear. I think the whole movie is about them fighting. Dude, they actually, they used Bart the Bear from Legends of the Fall and whatever else. But it is the most, you watch it, you will be blown out of your seat.

Because Anthony Hopkins is 10 feet from a fucking grizzly bear. And then you can tell where they swap, if you watch it really close, you can tell where they swap him out. And the trainer gets like hit with a paw But this guy is wrestling with his pet bear yo seriously look at this look at this look at this Look at that fucking bear

Look at fucking Anthony Hopkins the best. How does he live in this? How's that even possible cuz they just tear you apart Look at his face Just trust me just Jamie go Go like halfway like halfway this video is so ridiculous that bears like barely chasing them go like halfway halfway down this video Oh, he's get the fire out I'm gonna have a different opinion of it That's not the clip there's a clip you the revenant. Yeah piss me off cartoon bear CGI bear and I love Tom Hardy and I love the Caprio but that come on that CGI bear didn't get you know

That's based on a real story. Yeah, yeah, that's based on a guy I really did get Molly he crawled like 20 miles my main takeaway from that movie is a lot of cold water Cold water just watched every time he fucking crawled in a cold stream. You know that incident didn't really take place in that environment though. The actual incident took place on the plains. It wasn't the same environment as the rainforest. They just put it up there? I think they filmed it.

See if they filmed the Revenant in BC. I think they filmed it in in the like the rainforest of BC You know BC is a lot like Seattle forest Well, I think they filmed it in like a dense forested area And I don't think the real incident took place in any sort of environment like that I remember matter of fact like positive of that winter deciduous forest But not rain fall scenes were filmed in Montana, but the wiki says it was takes takes place in the Great Plains, right? So but where did they film all the forest scenes? I think it was Canada

I think it's BC because it just is way more dense than the Great Plains It's not what the great it's not what they experience. Look at this guy crawled. It's like he's crawling across the fucking plains So good with this guy crawled. It's like he's crawling across the fucking plains Like this guy got torn apart by a bear and crawled initial plans were to film the final scenes in Canada, although the weather was ultimately too warm So they had to go to Argentina where there was snow to shoot the ending Argentina. That's the ending What about the other stuff in the woods like when they get attacked by the Native Americans? I Thought that was in BC. Either way, whatever it is, it's like very dense forest, which is not what the- Not historically accurate.

No. You gotta do a little bit of that. Do you? It's about the plains. It's really- Then there'd be no trees. Like trees are central in that movie. Like the, the, the star- No, so the movie's kind of bullshit.

Like, isn't there a way to do it? Well then every movie's bullshit then. Alberta? Yeah, there goes okay I mean even you know Alberta's crazy thick I mean every movie then that you like you know like every like historical movie you go how much of it is true Oh, yeah, like I just watched you know hey those movies Ford versus Ferrari, and I was like how much of this is true And they're like none of it Did any of this really happen no okay, so the

the Did any of this really happen? No. Okay, so the Cana... Cana-Nascus country and the spectacular scenery of Bow Valley in the Canadian Rockies west of Calgary, Alberta. Fucking beautiful up there, man. Yeah, so that's not like the real environment where that really went down, but... But all, yeah, I guess it would have a different feel if they were out on the plains And it was yeah, and they get attacked by the Plains Indians And you know and that guy got fucked up by that bear out there. There's there was bears out there, dude That's what's nuts like we killed them off like California has a bear and it's a state flag

It's a big old brown used to be brown bears. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, they they fucking killed all of them They're like get the fuck out here They know what they know what your the last? Brown bear was killed in California and they know when the last black bear was killed in Manhattan That's not think about it a black bear in Manhattan. Well, when was that when they bought it for like $15? It was just a fucking rayon. There's a town named after the guy who was the last guy to get killed by a brown bear in California It's called the vec nice. I think his name was Steven Levesque He got the last guy that got killed by a brown bear. I like that's it. We're done kill them all

Did you ever see that do you ever see the video where the guy where the bear takes the guy's face off? And he's still talking okay. Yeah, I did that's yeah That's yeah, yeah, you got his faceulled apart. And they stitched it back together again. They didn't do a bad job. Not bad. Not bad. Because that video, that was, again, one of those times where I'm an adult and I'm not OK.

That was like early days of internet gross shit. That was like E-Balm's World Time, where you could see everything. It was the early day. I was just trying to explain this to my mom. I was like, when they were doing the journalist beheadings, you could see it. Yeah. If I tried now, I don't know. I wouldn't even know where to go read it

Really? Yeah for Chan. I don't think I've ever been on reddit. You should go. Yeah Become like much more rabbit red is very left-wing and reddit has become very censored like things get pulled down off a reddit Is there any where is still buck wild for Chan for Chan for Chan is where like? All that QAnon craziness came from there's a lot of nutty people out there That's where that is political frogs those frogs peppy the frog that they use for memes It's all like internet culture ship posters Yeah, people that are anonymously posting so they can just say the wildest things

and there's no censorship. Yeah, but I'm saying, but what I want is, I want the God's Google. I want that thing where you go, I wanna see people eaten, you know, who got eaten by a bear. Or you know how in The Grizzly Man, they don't show you the footage or the play of the audio?

Like, I want that. Like, if I wanna see it, I wanna be able to see it. I think Warner Herzog destroyed that audio which is unfortunate Yeah, but I also you know his mind was like it's kind of funny right because His mind was like this is be like it'd be too damaging. It's too bad for you Don't want to hear it. You don't want other people to hear it I wouldn't want people to hear me screaming in agony as I died. Right, but your whole film is about how fucking stupid it is that this guy lives in the grizzly maze in a tent surrounded by bears, then it's inevitable that one of them is going to eat him.

Yeah, so there'd kind of be like a comedic punchline to hearing him go, BWAAA! Bro, the movie's a comedy. It is a comedy. It is a comedy. It is. When he's like, bad bear, and he like touches it is a comedy it is it is he's like bad bear And he touches it and the bear turns around like what the fuck did you just do the whole thing? It's he was so nutty and he was such a crazy. He was nuts

He was tiger king times a hundred But he also there's like a moment where he transcends and he's like in the grass and there's a fox on his tent And you're like dude. This is kind of cool Yeah, that was the Fox relationship was the Fox was cool, But the bear stuff Fox's become your friends, which is weird. Yeah foxes are cool Yeah, like you can just you don't even have to have lived there a long time You just hang out with them long enough. They'll hang out with you Well, I found a Fox den a few years ago And so there's all these the mom was out and there's all these foxes baby foxes pups sitting outside the hole

So I would creep up on them. I'd get into position and I'd watch them come out and they are the cutest little things in the world. And they're all just standing around and I was like, I want to raise a fox so bad. People have done it. I know. They have pet foxes. Oh, I know.

I wanted to do it so bad, I had to go to the jungle in like a week. But I was like, man, if I wasn't going to the jungle in a week. You would have to feed those little fuckers and they want to kill things all the time like it'd be like having a really wild dog Yeah, it would be like having a coyote for a pet. Yeah, I would imagine obviously, but they're really clever They're really clever. They're smart really beautiful

Yeah, I don't and coyotes. I don't even need to have code as its pets. They're like behind in the Hudson Valley Oh, yeah, they're all over the place everywhere. Yeah, they're everywhere. They're in Manhattan I don't believe that it's 100% true. Really? Yeah. Yeah in Central Park in Central Park multiple coyote sightings They've had them in the Bronx Coyotes are in every city in North America There are missing in the US. It's a huge testament to how stealthy an animal can be Oh, yeah, man, cuz they live look at that stop it in the US. It's a huge testament to how stealthy an animal can be. Oh yeah man. Because they live.

Look at that. Stop it. Coyotes in Central Park. Yeah. Yeah man, they're all over the country. They're all over the country. And that's basically in the last hundred years. I think less than that.

I think it's like from the 1950s on, they've spread across the entire country. There's a great book called Coyote America. It's on my list. I'm dying to read it. Coyote has been seen in Central Park and other parts of New York City since the 1930s Yeah, the number of sightings has increased in recent years, especially in 2019. Yeah Incredibly adaptive. I mean, that's just unbelievable. They're the craziest. They adapt and they expand their range. So whenever you kill one, the females have more pups and they expand their range. That's why they're everywhere now.

In the jungle, I was working with this British filmmaker and he came out of the jungle one day and his face was white. And he goes, I saw something. And I was like, if you say Bigfoot, I'm gonna say no. He goes, no, I saw, he goes, man, he saw a white-tailed deer. And I saw, he goes, man, he goes, man, I saw a white tailed deer. And I went, you didn't see a white tailed deer.

We have red brocket deer, gray brocket deer. You didn't see a white tailed deer. And I started really hammering on him. I was like, bro, you've been out here too long, man. Long story short, there is a vestigial population of white tailed deer that inhabit the Western Amazon. What? So he thought he was insane.

They come in from the Andes, and they have like an island population down in the lowland jungle. He happened to see, and this is like a guy that you know he's not bullshitting. Whoa. He was physically, you know, it's like you saw a giraffe. That's ridiculous that he would be that freaked out. I think just because it didn't belong there.

He was a real wildlife guy. I mean, if I saw, you know, a leopard in New Jersey, I'd be like, well, fuck. Either I'm cracking up or something, you know? As far as I know, this doesn't go here. Right. You know? Right.

So he came back and he was like, I don't know what to do. He's like, I saw something and I was like, well, did you get a shot of it? And he was like, no, I put my camera up and it ran. And he was like, but I swear to God. And I was like, nah, you didn my camera up and it ran. And he was like, but I swear to God. And I was like, no, you didn't see anything. He saw what I told you.

That's crazy. Have you seen the jaguar sightings in Arizona? I did. I saw the camera trap. That is super cool. That is super cool. We're doing something with these new EDNA packages where we can take water samples and it tests for all

the different DNA in the water. Oh, so all the different animals that are drinking in there. Wow. Bigfoot's either about to get found or go extinct. He's going to go extinct. Yeah, I know. Do you think they could find the giant sloth with that? So that's an interesting one.

That and the thylacine are the only cryptids that I'll entertain conversations about. I entertain the sloth one because there's so many of these people in these deep dense jungles in the Amazon That's claim that they've seen them. Yeah, I'll tell you something offline about that. I have a theory about Can't wait to end this podcast I just I just there's got to be this this places people keep going with we've explored the whole world Yeah, just like people don't realize and I'm telling you after coming off of these expeditions where we travel for an entire week by land to get, cause you get on a plane, go to get on a plane

and be in Barcelona in a few hours. It's such a mind fuck, it doesn't make any sense. Whereas when you start walking or you start paddling, you go, this planet is huge. Huge. And we deceive ourselves into thinking like, oh yeah, we figured it out. But if you fly in a Cessna over the Amazon

and you look at a winding little golden river and you're looking out over a vast picture of football fields with this tiny little golden filament going through it. And the next one of those golden rivers, which by the way, that river is like a hundred meters across this giant water artery that's been flowing through the jungle. The next one, as you're in this Cessna looking out over the jungle, the next one is barely

in your peripheral vision over there. So you're talking about like 110 miles that way as the next dense, dense jungle, dense jungle, no trails, not even the tribes, nothing, no one there. Who the fuck has explored that? They don't know what's under there. No one's explored it, not to mention, 50% of the life in the rainforest, you forget it's a 3D environment.

When you're on the plains, the animals are at eye level. When you're in the rainforest, you're under 160 feet of canopy, so it's like being at the bottom of the ocean. And we don't have access. Who can climb a 160 foot tree that goes straight up like the World Trade Center? Pretty much no one.

You're only gonna see the tree tops if you do. And you're only gonna see the tree tops. So scientists have had very limited access to the rainforest canopy where 50% of the life in the rainforest is. Wow. So, so much of the planet has not been described or studied and it's so funny when I watch people go,

yeah, everything's been explored. And it's like, bro, I could take you somewhere right now and show you the places where no one's been. And they haven't flown over with LiDAR yet, and there are things that we don't know. There's, like, a lot of stuff that we don't know about. And I've seen, because I've seen it with my own eye. I don't believe shit.

That's why I have to touch the wet paint, because I don't believe shit unless I've seen it myself. BOTH LAUGH Well, listen, brother, I'm glad you're out there. It makes life more interesting. I'm trying. I've seen it myself. Well, listen, brother, I'm glad you're out there. It makes life more interesting. I'm trying. I appreciate everything you do, and I appreciate you, and thank you for coming in here.

It's a lot of fun. Tell everybody how they can get a hold of you and how they can see what you're up to. Absolutely. Jungle Keepers is growing. We're protecting more rainforest than ever. Junglekeepers.org, we are bringing people to the rainforest.

We're supporting the indigenous conservation efforts. We're crossing 100, junglekeepers.org. We are bringing people to the rainforest. We're supporting the indigenous conservation efforts. We're crossing 100,000 acres. The more people that come in and help, we can actually find a way to protect the Amazon rainforest and stop feeling guilty about it. Also, Jamie, if you just last thing, pull up that rhino transport picture. I'm taking people out into Africa with the experts

at that place, Buffalo Clouffe, and people can actually come with me to do some incredible front lines on the ground work with endangered rhinos in Africa like this type of shit. Absolutely the people who are holding back the extinction of these animals who are doing cutting edge research and work protecting these amazing animals junglekeepers.org PaulRosley.com Instagram all out of the shit and we're doing some truly miraculous stuff. And a lot of it has to do, Joe, with the fact that

you came in and told everybody about it. So thank you. My pleasure. I'm happy for you. Wild out there. It is. So thank you. My pleasure.

All right. Bye, everybody. Thanks for watching!