The Joe Rogan Experience - #2212 - Jelly Roll

Episode Date: October 11, 2024

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The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Let's go, let's go Jelly Roll. I'm back with my bubba. My man, I haven't seen you since Massive Square Garden. That was crazy. Yes, what a great night that was, dude. What an experience, man.

Dude, it was so, I was thinking about it pulling up here is that, um, I think y'all just got out of Vulcan and the club had just opened. And I'd came that night to see Ron White. And I went back that Monday to see Kill Tony. And I could feel the Kill Tony thing happening over COVID at Vulcan. So I had to go see it in person. And I could remember sitting in there and you know how like, you can feel an energy shift. Yeah, I felt an energy shift in life in that room that night. I was like

This is fixing to explode. Yeah, like everything associated with this club everything associated with Tony everything associated with Joe is Fixing to fucking rocket ship and it felt like almost like I'm getting goosebumps Joe. I'm not Goosebumps, it's almost like I'm getting goosebumps, Joe. I'm not even bullshitting. I'm getting goosebumps too. It's almost like, I swear dude, it was like feeling the grunge movement in the 90s. Like when you first heard a little something, you were like, this is different. Yeah.

And you were like, this could be something. And then it just turned out to be the explosion. It's like, I felt that happening. So to see Tony at fucking Madison Square Garden, and then to see how y'all showed up for Tony at Madison Square Garden Every fucking comedian on earth came to see that dude the fucking two nights kiss him on his fucking cheek You know how to be there. I was there in the beginning. I was there when there was like 18 comedians in the crowd Is that not crazy? It was crazy. They were doing in the belly room of the Comedy Store It was just like an afterthought.

They couldn't do any of the other rooms because they didn't have an audience. And Tony just had this weird idea that he just like a little pit bull just stuck with it. One minute of comedy and he like honed it over time and figured it out. And then he became the best host in all of entertainment. There's no one better at hosting a comedy show than him. The way he does that show, the speed of his comebacks, the speed of his like, the roast lines.

I tell Tony all the time, I say, Tony, I love you. And that panel is the coolest thing I've ever seen, but you are the show, brother. We would all tune in if you were sitting up there by yourself, like you are just so sharp. I relate to it too, Joe. I compare art forms. It's just something I like to do.

I know some people don't. But watching Tony, I feel a kinship to Tony and Andrew Schultz in a certain way because I feel like we all kind of met each other right before it happened for all of us. Right, right, right. Like I remember me and Schultz doing the opener up song at the five, four, you know, he was doing two nights

at Zany's, two shows, one show, you know, one show a night, you know what I mean? And I was doing a thousand seat club in the South, you know what I mean? And Tony was still, killed Tony and you know what I mean? Like, and then, and we're all fucking old. Like the fact that it happened for all of us in our late thirties is even cooler.

So it's this double kinship. Like when I was nominated for new artist of the year at almost 40, that's the first time that had ever happened in CMA history and country music. But like this year, most of those kids are 27 and under. Here I was a 40 year old fucking man up there. You're a beautiful example that there's no rules. There's no rules. It's all bullshit. Just be yourself. Just be yourself. Do your best. Find whatever it is inside you that you can express. There's no rules. There's no rules for age. Like Ron White used to worry about that all the time. I think I'm too old. I mean, what are you? You're Ron motherfucking White. You're a legend. But it's like that humility that he has, even though he's

got great confidence in his ability. Like Ron is a very humble guy as successful as he is but that humility that he is is also that constantly has him writing constantly has him working he's 40 years in the game he never stops he and he's better now than he's ever been before now that he's sober like he's a monster monster on stage to imagine hitting to me so to me Ron White is on Mount Rushmore of comedy for me personally I know it's subjective some people are gonna you know, whatever but For me because I judge comedy as a fan of like I look at skits like I mean I look at specials like What songs stood out to me the most in the whole special like your special was your album?

How many songs do you have that I tell my friends about like it's my song, right? Right, you know that I tell my friends about like it's my song? Right, right, right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like to me, Ron White has done more of that than I have more Ron White bits memorized than any other comedian. Just by like default of how good he is at weaving these little quick two-minute stories of just complete white trashery and druckery, which is just my fucking specialty. It's like, I feel like he grew up on my street, you know what I'm saying? So my mama likes Ron White. You know what I mean? He was the first guy out here, you know, he was the first guy that came. He moved here

before the pandemic. Because he was always with us at the store. And then one day I called him up, Mike, where the fuck you been, man? He was, I moved to Austin, Texas. He just loved it. He's like, there's no traffic. Everyone's nice and I started thinking about event He planted like the first seeds in like 2018. I was like can I live in Austin? Fuck, I don't know because my instinct has always been to move to the mountains like I want to I want to live somewhere Where there's no people like did you ever have a did you have mountains in mind when you like romanticize it? Did you ever think of what mountains you would move to if you did it? I really like the mountains above Boulder I really I lived mountains above Boulder. I really I lived there for a little while in 2009. But when I think about Montana, sometimes I think about just someplace more peaceful Wyoming, somewhere just a little more

peaceful, cold as fuck in the winter, but just like more real. And that was my thought when I was living in LA. But it was like a necessity to get the fuck out of there. When the COVID stuff was going on, like they're not going to let this go. They're going to keep us in control for once they have control of you like they had during the pandemic, wear a mask, got to get a vaccine, can't go here, can't go there. No businesses, everything shut down. All the restaurants go under all the comedy clubs go under.

When they were doing that, I was like, they're not gonna let this go. I gotta get the fuck out of here. And when we came to Texas, it was... This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Pressure can be a good thing, like on the mat or in the ring. It can push you to do your best, break personal records, and make smarter choices. The same is true for businesses,

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It was like a completely different universe. We could go to, my kids were young, man. They were 10 and 12, and like, they wanted to go to restaurants. Like, we can go to a restaurant here and sit indoors. Like, for, everyone was terrified in LA LA and they just weren't here and the same results like the same the same thing happened to everybody but over here it was a way more peaceful experience and Ron when we were out here we started

doing shows at the Vulcan and one night the first time Ron had been on stage like eight months he just grabbed me by my shoulders. He's like, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're gonna keep doing this. He's like, you got to open up a club. And I'm like, all right, that's it. We're opening up a club. And the process began. All because of Ron. Ron led me to think about moving here. Ron was already out here, so I knew that if I did move to Austin, at least Ron's here. You know, and then Tony moved here, and then Brian Simpson moved here and then the fucking just the train kept a rolling all night long it was nuts I think it

was by default it was kind of a universe thing where there was a little bit of still water that need to be stirred yeah when you came that's still water stirred and it awakened everybody like hold on there's there's choices outside of the same Routine that we've been because you know I mean I'm sure y'all's life with store store store weekends out store stores It was improv to I did in the ice house There was a few clubs we did like on a regular okay, you know because the more places to work out the better You know and when we were there were so many of us too, you know, we'd have shows It's like Bill Burr's on me Tom Segura Burt Kreischer. They're crazy shows crazy shows because everybody was in LA

It was a beautiful thing up until they shut everything down. It's that beautiful here now though, but I know that's Saying the water is complete. I mean it is and you know the best thing is too There's an added element that we bring new people in every weekend So every weekend, there's these big national headliners, so they come in on Tuesday Wednesday. We're fucking around all week Yeah, we're just having a great time. That's what I that's how I describe your club I was like it's the gym for the greatest comedians in the world Tuesday through Thursday And then the other greatest comedians in the world come and rent it from Friday to Sunday. I was like it's crazy dude.

It's like no matter what day you show you. And then you have Kill Tony that's the anchor. Kill Tony is the anchor of comedy in the known universe. It really, that's a grandiose statement I know, but what Kill Tony shows you is like every comic wants a reaction and some comics unfortunately if you're in specific areas like very liberal areas like Silver Lake has a problem with this like those kind of places where everyone's like super woke and they want to let everyone else know that they're super woke it's like a kind of thing you have to do so you get

ideologically captured and you you you make material that's bullshit you get claptor what Kill Tony makes you do is you have one fucking minute You have one minute and there's obviously no rules by the time you get on stage. You've seen cam go crazy You've seen Hans Kim say some ridiculous shit Maybe you see William Montgomery or Brian Holtz, but you've seen maniacs on stage killing and so you got one minute Just crack it's time to crack so it sets a tone for comedy the comedy is just entertaining no matter how you put it out no matter what it is what your style is what you'd like to talk about whether you're Nate Barghazi or whether you're Shane Gillis there's just a

different way to do it everybody's got their own way to do it but it's just just go try to find your way don't try the tricks don't try to sneak in some fucking ideological bullshit just because you think people are gonna agree with you and like you more and clap and cheat and you're to say something profound shut up you got one minute so that sets a tone for all the people coming up it's one of the most important things that ever happened to come on he's trying to impose their beliefs on you real quick They're just trying to make they got 60 seconds to get a fucking laugh and and the kill Tony crown will boo you

If you don't you've got about 30 seconds with them in an arena in an arena real dangerous grounds, dude, bro They were especially New York those first showing They were rough they go hard you know when I knew the arena thing was gonna be huge for Tony I flew down here for the first one he did because we were drunk at the bar that night and he was like I'm gonna play an arena I was like I'm gonna come sing the national anthem it was a joke because I don't sing the national anthem I have a rule I don't sing the national anthem but I told him I was gonna do it so I came down and we're watching The first comedian this night the HEB Center, right?

The first bucket pull comes up and you could tell this bitch did not have any ideas She was gonna get called or anything to say This is the first you talking about a gift from God for Tony, right? She's not up there 18 seconds Joe before they realized that she's just you know falafelin The boo birds came they didn't start slowly and grow like they normally do it was like 13 or 12,000 people made the decision at once What a horrible feeling and I was like oh, yeah, this is gonna explode in arenas I was like kill Tony's gonna fucking arenas. It's it's a bet

It's the best show for that kind of an audience. We watch it every day on the bus chaotic Yeah full disclosure like as a bus imagine like a bunch of music dudes every Monday that were like religiously It's something we have together. You know what I mean? It's something that the whole band can agree on. The other thing about Kill Tony was in the beginning, Tony wasn't famous, no one was famous and they were just going hard. And then as everyone got famous, they kept going hard. Whereas it's very hard to just jump in and do something that wild now. And there was nothing like it during COVID. There is nothing like it. You have this live show every week in front of a live audience and everybody else is locked down. You have to wear your fucking mask where you're walking your

dog. You know, like what is going on? No, you're having to bring it. It was also just like this rejection of norm, you know, rejection of whatever is going, whatever people think the comedy industry is. Because people think the comedy industry is like some group of people with power that control all the, give people specials that don't deserve it. There's all this like weird, weird thoughts about the comedy business. But when the comedy business is only comedians, it's a completely different experience.

And that's what Kill Tony is. There's no business element behind it. There's no networks. There's no producers. There's no person, no executive worrying about their fucking mortgage You can't say that Tony. There's none of that. So it's just wild. No, it's it's complete chaos all the time It's the greatest show on the internet period Fucking rules and it's like I said, you're talking about people that do more when they get there and that mean you were talking off record

Right, we brought me an off record off the microphone. We were walking in here about have you hang around nine long enough you'll be the 10th yeah and God bless me that in the last few years in light of my success I've been had really cool friends like Tony and I become really good friends you and I become really good friends and I've been able to watch like a student of the game guys like y'all Bert Tom and go man these dudes are turning the heat up as it matters like the contents flowing like it's only getting bigger last year Joe My most successful year of my career. I wrote more songs than I've ever wrote in a single year as a free man That's amazing jails a different concept cuz fuck what I wrote a song a day

You know what I mean, but I wrote a hundred and I turned in a hundred and seventy songs to my whole last year I just couldn't quit writing them. I was on the bus. I just could not I could not at every corner I was getting done with show, you know, I do five shows a week. It's just how we tour I was getting straight on the bus and just grabbing a guitar and just pouring ideas. I'm putting out 27 songs when this podcast is out my album beautifully broken is out right now I had 22 on the album and I had five or six features that I was gonna do for deluxe next week And my wife tees one of the songs that's kind of doing good So I think I'm gonna drop them all tomorrow today technically anyway, so do you're so at home on stage. It's crazy, you know

When you did New York New York at Madison Square Garden, I asked you I'm like how often you just do this Just get up there and sing. How often are you doing this? It's a crazy thing, because it's just you. You just are you up there. 15,000 people, 50,000 people, it's just jelly roll. That's it. That's when a guy's, you're just so in the zone, and so on top of your game, it's just beautiful

to watch someone that's in the zone, because you recognize that feeling is a great feeling when you're just like totally in tune with what you're doing. I love when I see a comic that's in there. When you know it's a flow. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Last time, Dave Attell was here. It was right before he filmed his special. My god. It was magic. He's so different. Oh my god, he's so good right now. If you get a chance to see Dave Attell live, if you you're a comedy fan you have to see him. And now I'm sure he's got a whole bunch of new stuff because the specials out. God damn

he's in this fucking flow. He's like a like a Zen master up there. It's scary how comfortable he is. I've never been to the cellar. It's been a dream of mine. I had a night in New York I'd finished TV so I went to the cellar that night and I got David Tell's number on Burt's tour I went on Burt's fully fully loaded tour this year for fun. Did I tell you this story? I think so. I think I told you but just like to fuck off I called Burt and was like yo Can I just park my bus and just come fuck off for like five or six shows? He was like what? I was like, yeah, he was like, will you sing? I was like fuck. Yeah, whatever

I'll come sing a song or two. So I just go over to guitar every night between comedians. That's amazing. But me and Dave would hang out every night, me, Dave, Big Jay, Okerson, Soder, Morrell, and we would all just, Bert, I'm just like having the cool, I'm just like, I'm rarely quiet as I am back there because I'm just listening. Because these dudes are telling,

they're the greatest storytellers ever. Oh yeah. Tell telling old stories great guys Too so great. He's the solters the dude son So I'm like Sam's fucking amazing he's just such good guys too and such good real just different level comedians to the great comedians But they're just great people to their fun to hang with there's a great crop It's a great cop crop of people coming up right now You know Norman and Shane and all these guys coming up right now are so good It's a fun. It's a different level. David till gives me his number. He's like call me if you're ever in New York

I know he I see he has a flip phone, right? Yeah, he pulls a flip phone out So I'm in New York and I just like randomly and I say Dave when I call you I'm gonna be in New York City trying to find you. Okay? He said, he said, no problem, I'll be at the cellar. That's what he tells me, right? I call this dude, me and Ian Financer standing, sitting at the bar, and I say, I'm gonna call Dave and see what time he's coming. I call, third ring, Dave answers and go, you here? I go, I am.

He goes, you need help getting in? I was like, I'm in. He said, see you in a few. Flips the phone down. It was the most David Dale thing ever. He's one of the only guys I know that stopped partying, got completely sober and got way better. Way better. A lot of guys, there's like this thing that they have when they're doing drugs especially, where they're just wild. And sometimes that wildness is like

a magical energy on stage like I couldn't imagine a sober Kinnison that would have been really weird like Kinnison's whole thing goes like I'm here to fucking party yes like he was partying dude hard and that's why we didn't get much out of him we only got like really a couple of good albums out of Kinnison because he's just going too hard his family came to my show in El Paso, the Poly Central, and they brought me Sam Kinnison's original gospel discs. Oh wow. They gave me like five of them, Joe. It's one of my most prized possessions now. How is it? How's the music? Oh it's crazy. Well it's a lot of preaching on there too. Is it preaching and singing? Yeah,

it was a lot of preaching on the first one I didn't get to the second one yet. I hadn't had a disc player They brought all five of them. I was so scared to fuck them up. I immediately put them in a Pelican crate and sent them home. Oh, I was like, this is crazy you know what I mean that the I mean all the whole Kenison family's like ten of them in there sharing all these cool stories because I wanted them Polly said the Kenison family wants to come see your show I said I want them to see my show because I have so much of my show is derivative from Sam Kenneson. You know what I mean? Like there's so much, I'm a southern gospel man anyways.

I went to a southern church so I just understood Kenneson's inflections and that kind of thing. It just spoke to me from where I'm from. So it's like I have always tried to, I tell people I'm somewhere between Billy Graham and Sam Kenison You know what I mean as far as like how you know when you got to come see I'll be I do the Moody Center In November, okay, it's a middle of the week to you should be on that's good. It'll be fun I'm trying to talk caring to putting clothes on Mitzis door sign that says clothes gone to the Jellier Hall show Speaking of Mitzis, can I tell you something? I want to I've been waiting to talk to you about this. Okay person. I Was so inspired by the time I spent with you down here and more importantly the time I spent at your club even without

You just they've treat me. I don't know if you hear the stories, but I've become a fixture of furniture there when I'm in town and I Am opening I'm announcing this now right here that I am opening my bar on Broadway in Nashville, Tennessee, which is a real big deal. You've been to Broadway. It's all after Country Music Stars. I'm the first Nashville native to get a bar. So like the first kid from the city to get a bar.

But I was so inspired by the way the mothership has Mitzis. And it's like an honor to Mitzis. And what y'all do that I have put, my bar's gonna be called Jelly Roll's Good Night Goodnight Nashville but I have a back bar called Buddy's named after my late father and it was completely inspired from what you have done at Mitzis. Oh that's great. All the way down to the we're gonna set his chair there for him you know what I mean like it's just so inspiring and it's gonna be just like y'all our rule is it's open to the public when it's open

to the public and when it's not it's not. Right. You knowall our rule is it's open to the public when it's open to the public And when it's not tonight, right, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's like you cuz that place has created such a safe place for me To party. Yeah, this is what me and Post Malone talk about when we're drunk by ourselves We're like we need to go back to Jalston. Let's just go hang it's like the safest bar in the world You know what? Yeah, it's like I can say anything here. I know I'm okay Everybody's cool. The whole staff's's cool the staff's mostly comedians You know, but my question was can I send my buddies bartender to hang out with Carrie for a week? Oh, yeah shadow her a hundred percent. Okay, Carrie said she's into it. She just said Yeah, whatever you need. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great. I'm gonna send her down in November around my show here

I'm gonna bring her with me so she can meet Carrie that night cuz Carrie I'm gonna send her down in November around my show here I'm gonna bring her with me so she can meet Carrie that night cuz Carrie Runs the ultimate celebrity bar to me. Yeah, like she deals with complete chaos down there with them comedians I've watched it. It is Wow. Well Carrie learned how to do it at the store. That's why I hired her She was one of the first hires because I told her I go, you know, she was like the one of the first people I contacted I'm like I'm gonna open up a club She's awesome. I had to get her out here because she was like the one of the first people I contacted. I'm like, I'm gonna open up a club She's awesome. I had to get her out here because she was like the mother of the back bar That's how I feel the back bar at the store was it was completely removed

There's now no general public at all. So very small. You've ever been in the back bar the store. Oh, yeah Yeah, so Carrie ran that place. So she kept everybody in line. Punkie was there too before punkie was on SNL. It's hilarious She used to run that back part too and we we used to all hang out there. Like anybody, you know, you could be safe there. All these celebrities, people from out of town, they'd all just find their way to that weird little private bar. So I kind of knew. And originally, Mitzys was not going to be open to the public at all. It was just going to be a private bar. But then along the way, we'd said, you know what, it doesn't hurt to have it open to the general public up until a certain time

and then from that time out have it everybody after the shows are over. Because that's when everybody really wants to hang. And that was like the best blending of both worlds. But it was that old bar in Hollywood was, it had her bar from her home that they had moved and put there. So the actual bar that you put drinks on was from her home. So it's like that there was like a piece of her there with us all the time. So when we decided to do this place, I'm like,

we got to have a bar just for Mitzi. Just the same kind of same kind of vibe. Yeah, I mean, it touched my soul in such a way that I wanted to do it for my father. That's awesome. You know what I mean? So I just want you to know that the Mitzi legacy has went even further and that what y'all have created there is spreading on to... That's awesome. You almost got me emotional talking about a woman I never even met.

I just know she did so much for you. She did so much for everybody. She's the most important person in the history of comedy that's not a comedian. Polly's shared some really cool stories with me about her and it's just mad, it's just unreal. I got to spend a little time with Polly because I went to that back bar there. The cool thing is because of y'all I've now found y'all's community embraces me everywhere now so I'm safe. If I'm in a city now, if I'm in LA I'm like where's the comedy club? I bet they got a back bar, call Adam Ray. You know what I'm saying? Adam Ray's like hey, I'm at the back bar at the store. Come on. I'm like, yes

on the way Yeah, it's a fun group of people contrary to popular belief. Yeah popular belief is the comedians are all like miserable. No, dude It's actually the funnest the greatest Storytellers ever I could I could listen to guys like Bert talk all night. Yeah, I could listen to guys like Burt talk all night. I could listen to Joey Diaz talk all night. I've known Joey for 30 years. He still tells me new stories. Yeah, it's crazy. No, dude, it's crazy, man. How do you still have stories?

It's crazy, dude. Well, Joey could go to the store today and have a story. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? It'd just be fucking one of the best stories ever. Joey's a monster. I think we're all in the storytelling business, right? That's what I do, too. Sure. of the one of the best stories ever. I think we're all in the storytelling business right? That's what I do too. I'm telling stories I'm not doing it in a comedic way but I'm I'm still telling a story you know what I mean? Like it's all that kind of story. I'm attracted to storytellers. You know? I think we all are.

I mean that's why you love a good movie. That's why you love a good book. Especially when there's somebody that can tell a story that can capture you in a certain way. I think it was probably the oldest form of entertainment, right? Once people, when they first started learning language, I bet the oldest form of entertainment was probably recreating a thing they saw. Right. Yeah, had to be, right? Yeah, for sure.

But think about the old, let's sit around the campfire, read stories. I mean, I'm sure they were telling tales, tall tales is what they used to call them. Think about how long we've been Hearing these kind of stories of people just telling stories also back then that was the only time in your day that you got to relax When you're sitting around the campfire that was the only time it was dark out There was nothing to do You found all the food you're gonna find and you're gonna get up in the morning and go right back at it all day long again And then eventually find your way back to the campfire. So the campfire was like

the time where people would sit around and entertain each other in prehistory. Yeah, that's deep because you're thinking about it like from a hunting perspective too. They had to go out all day and find the food. Yeah. You can only do that when the sun was out. You can only do it when the sun was out and at night time it's fucking dangerous because there's predators out there. So the fire is the best thing to keep off the predators. You need a fire and everybody gathers around the fire because the predators Don't want to come to the fire Fuck man, and that's where people learn how to tell stories

That's why we're so attracted to it and they were doing fucking drugs back then too I'm sure I'm doing all kind of they were doing all somebody had already figured out that cow shit mushrooms could make you feel great Yeah, 100%. 100%. They tried everything. They were starving. They tried a little bit of eating everything and they figured out what you can eat and what kills you.

Imagine going through mushrooms and trying to figure out which ones kill you and which ones get you to see God. Yeah. They had to figure that out trial and error. How many times they had to go through it and go back and go, listen, y'all, I've done this a few times and I'm pretty confident that there is this thing that goes in the power of shit that makes me feel fucking like God. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy dude. Somebody had to be that guy. Did you ever hear about John Marco Allegro in the book The Sacred Mushroom and the Scrolls?

It's a sacred mushroom, no it's a sacred mushroom in the Christian myth and what was there's two different sacred mushroom in the Dead Sea Scrolls I think is one of them what is a what are the titles of his book sacred mushroom in the cross and then there is another one there's another one that he released after the Catholic Church allegedly bought out all the copies of the first one to get rid of it Wow and the Chris something in the Christian myth the Dead Sea Scrolls the Christian myth. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth. I read the Dead Sea Scrolls. So this guy thinks that all of religion is stories about mushrooms.

He thinks that the entire Christian religion was about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. He thinks that what they were doing was they would have these stories, especially when they're conquered by the Romans, they'd have these stories, so they would hide the truth in stories and in allegories and all these different tales. But he thinks that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms. I can tell you this, on brand, I mean, I'm a man of faith,

but on brand with that is Jesus told stories and he taught in stories. Jesus never gave a direction. He always was just like, well, and then he'd tell a story and you would have to figure out, you know what I mean? It was like, okay, this story would show the, it was always in story for him too. Right, right, right. Maybe they knew that was the best way to ensure that people would tell it the same way every

time. You know, because if you have a story, in the story Noah has an ark and he brings the animals in the ark and God tells him he's going to do this and he's going to do that and he does it and then, you know, if you have a story, then that information keeps getting told essentially the same way over and over and over again. Like we can read the Epic of Gilgamesh today. That's a 6,000 year old story, something like that. 5,000, we can read that today. That's nuts, right?

That's crazy, because it's a story. But if it was just people talking about what you should do or what happened, and you know, like when it's history, man, we can't trust history from the 60s. History from the 60s, we're finding out new shit every day about the Kennedy assassination. If I was fucking 63, man, 63!

That's 51 fucking years ago, that's insane. And we're still trying to figure out what the fuck happened. And this is like with modern, like they had television, they had printing press, they had all these different things, they had accountability, they had elected officials, they had democracy, still can't figure out what the fuck happened. And that's 63. So imagine trying to figure out what the fuck happened 5,000 years ago.

You know, it's like, who knows who's telling the truth? Who knows? You've got to like sort through the rubble and figure out what the fucking the facts show. But if you have a story, even if it's like there's something hidden in that story. And he thinks that that's what the... This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. I am proud that joerogan.com is powered by Squarespace

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That's deep. All that was in story. You think about stories too. They said, I've never been in the pyramids, but they said that all that stuff on the inside of it is just a story, right? It's all telling a story to a degree. The hieroglyphics, some of them, sure. Yeah, the hieroglyphics are like telling stories or when they have the guys chasing these things with the spears, they're like trying to show a story. It's all trying to tell a story, man. And a lot of mushrooms, too.

Yeah. There's a lot of images then with mushrooms. I might do mushrooms a day. It's my album release today I'm thinking about. I don't know if I wanna do mushrooms. God, they should be legal. I know, right? God, they should be legal.

They should be legal and regulated and people should figure out what the fuck they do Yeah, should do a lot of research figure out what this says This might be the thing that gets us out of there just some micro dosing nation and connects together I know every time I've went deep it was life-changing for me Like I'll do a lot of mushrooms every now and then just like you know who let's get but anytime I was like let's go It was a life-changing experience every it's funny that people want to reject that as not being important that's what's really important is to keep people from like losing their mind and losing their ambition and Becoming like the hippies were in the 1960s following Timothy Leary. That's what everybody's worried about

Everybody's worried about like this collapse of society because people they give up on capitalism, they tune in and drop out, you know, that whole thing. I don't think that's real. I don't think we'd be worried about that. I think those people are always gonna want to drop out. The people that are, they want to fuck off, are always gonna want to fuck off and if you give them an excuse, yeah they're gonna do it. But that's just a style of person. That's not gonna affect most people Most people would benefit especially if they're not crazy. They don't have like mental health problems It'll you'll probably get something out of it. Yeah I mean it's helped me in some of my most depressed moments

If I'm really in a dark dark spot and can't get out of it. My wife will encourage me to go trip She'd be like, why don't you go? Could we like we got this? Called the Buffalo River back in Tennessee. It's out outside of a little town called Hornwall, Tennessee Look old country river man. I mean look country Creek River. I mean it's a river but Kind of shallow you can see the bottom of it and we'll go it's called floating the Buffalo We'll go out there and just float the Buffalo and Every now about twice a year me and the buddies will go out there And we'll just take six or seven

Day and just float the buffalo so if I haven't got to do it in a year because of the schedule my wife will feel that on me and be like No, you might need to go to the Buffalo. You know what I'm saying? She's like we should she'll say it really cool. She's like when's the last time you floated the Buffalo and I'll be like It's been a year hadn't it should be like I think you and scary Larry's one of my best friends And he's I've known that we met each other in juvenile hall. He's a just wild character So he goes you and scary should go float the buffalo. So it's like encourage me Like she knows I'm gonna come back a way better husband way better father

You know the wildest theory I've ever heard about psilocybin is is that it came from outer space that's a organism from another planet and the reason for this is that it came from outer space. That it's an organism from another planet. And the reason for this is that they know that spores can survive in the vacuum of space. And there's a thing called panspermia. What panspermia is is the idea of that, like an asteroid slams into a planet and it takes amino acids and biological organisms that can survive in space and a bunch of different elements from that planet and then introduces those new elements

to another planet by way of an asteroid. And that's a real thing that we know for sure happens, right? And they know that that's how we get iridium. There's a lot of iridium on Earth, like in places where there's been an impact because it's really rare on Earth but really common in space so we know that some shit gets to us and apparently I'm too stupid to understand this but the way botanists describe it and see if you can find any information on this there's something very unusual about the compound psilocybin and psilocybin mushrooms psilocybin

cubensis mushrooms they're very weird and they're not really connected to a lot of the other fungus that's here in some strange way. Like the way they work is also very tied into human neurochemistry. It's really close to dimethyltryptamine, which is a part of human neurochemistry. And so the craziest theory is that it's come from space. Living spores have been found and collected in every level of Earth's atmosphere. Mushroom spores are electron dense and can survive in the vacuum of space. Additionally, their outer layer is actually metallic and of a purple hue, which naturally allows the spore to deflect ultraviolet light.

And as if all this wasn't unique enough, the outer shell of the spore is the hardest organic compound to exist in nature. So this is one of the weirder theories. So this was this Terrence McKenna's theory? Are mushrooms from outer space? Is that bad? It breaks him up. I don't know if it's officially his theory. The late ethnobotanist Terrence McKenna suggests that mushrooms are responsible for human intelligence. Yeah, yeah, the theory. It's called the stoned ape theory. Yeah, I heard about that. It's called the stoned ape theory. Yeah, I heard about that on your podcast.

His theory hypothesized that mushroom spores possess all the necessary requirements to travel on space currents. Furthermore, they could have settled in the brain matter of primitive hominoids and following the lines of modern day hallucinogenic mushrooms directly contributed to our modern day intelligence and self-awareness.

Yeah. It's fucking wild. Yeah, his theories, that's why, I mean, if you can see it there, click on that back again, you can see where it was talking about his theory. So his theory is very, very bizarre. So he went on to theorize that mushrooms are the reason there's human life on Earth. Yeah, so while that may seem like material from space, from a science fiction novel rather, there is no avoiding the fact that mushrooms possess many traits that are unique to their

kingdom alone. Fungi build cell walls of, I don't know how to say that word, chitin? Chitin? Chitin? The same material that makes up the hard outer shell of insects and other arthropods. I'm so country, I said chitin. Chitin could be chitin, chitin like chitlins. These cell walls contain similar chemicals found in butterfly and beetle wings as well as the plumage of some colorful birds such as peacocks, living

spores. Okay so we've read that but what is it there was something about his theory where he's explaining his theory of how it would have worked. That's it? Well, his, essentially his theory was that they experimented with mushrooms and it made them better hunters and made them more creative and it made him figure out language. And it's, he thinks it's responsible for just like this weird mystery of the human brain size. It doubled over a period of two million years and there's no real solid explanation. It's a very strange thing. And apparently the biggest mystery in all the fossil record when it comes to animals and evolution.

Yeah, how'd the human brain double over two million years? Oh, dude, had to have been psilocybin. Probably had a part of it, or aliens. Maybe aliens. Maybe both. Maybe they are aliens, right? Maybe aliens. Yeah, maybe both Maybe they are You know, maybe they are aliens. Maybe we're just looking the wrong way. Maybe we're fucking aliens, right? I think we probably are I think we probably are we doesn't seem like we belong here You know what? I tell somebody all the time my new theory is cuz my life turned out in such a way

I never dreamed that this is a simulation and that there is an overweight nerdy alien that plays me and That during my shop I think about this all the time when I'm high and that my sleeping hours are like when he's doing his normal stuff and my Waking hours are his two hours a day and I just imagine this like kid that's looking back like mom You won't believe what I've done with that fat dude the last nine months. It's fucking crazy He's one of the most famous artists in the world. She's like you got to get off. He's like, but he's going to the Grammys Yeah, it's like a super hype version of Red Dead Redemption My dudes telling people like y'all remember that dude we thought what's gonna do it he did it

It's like a figured it out if it's a simulation. It's a really good one. We're in a good timeline brother. Oh, it couldn't we're in a we're in a really good episode We got a good group of writers Show and you got writers like this fuck these writers are amazing This fucking show is always entertaining every day. There's drama. Yeah No, especially right now now we're in the middle of the drama oh my goodness there's so much there's so much you can get overwhelmed just looking at the fucking news every day it's a great time for me to be in the middle of a tour I've missed it all I'm doing five shows

a week and I'm so in the vortex of touring yeah good we do that old-school rock and roll shit so we really do play five shows a week for 12 13 weeks you know that's amazing it's awesome dude but again that's why you're so comfortable up there you're so just yeah it reeks of a man has done a thousand yeah it's like when you see a comedian up there really comfortable it's like when I watched the tail at the Comedy Cellar when he leaned back on the wall yeah I was like oh he's fitting to kill when he just walked straight up and lean back and then he calls Ian up and he's fitting to kill. When he just walked straight up and leaned back.

And then he calls Ian up and Ian's just throwing, you know, just shit at him. And he's just lighting Ian on fire. It was just, it was so good, man. Yeah, that's a good hammer and nail, the two of those guys together too. He did that at the club here too. I feel like it's, it reminds me of like the early phases

of like a bumping mics thing, like a new version of that. Which, cause when him and Jeff Ross are are together it's like when David Lucas and Tony are firing each other I feel the exact same way when Jeff Ross and David Taylor near each other yeah I get that same excited feeling of like oh some shit's gonna pop off you know what I'm saying like yeah when David and Tony go after each other there's like hours on the internet of just David and Tony shit on each other it's a hundred thousand ways David can call Tony gay. Yeah, and he's called David a hundred thousand ways to be fat.

It's also the way they laugh at each other doing it. Like if this is a simulation, man, we picked a really good one. Yeah, it's getting colder and colder. Elon believes it's a simulation. He's a lot smarter than me. He thinks the odds that it's not a simulation are in the billions really yeah in the billions He said wow I'm telling you dude. There's a little dude. It's nobody believes He's going to school every day like my minecraft dude is killing it. Do you get um?

That imposter syndrome thing ever oh man so much. I'm I'm somewhere between feeling extremely uncomfortable where I'm at in my career right now or overly comfortable where I'm at in my career. So I'm either having to catch myself and go, whoa, big fella. Right. Come on now, dawg. You were just in jail, Tim. You were up. People that knew you six years ago hate you still. You know what I'm saying? It's like... And then I have situations where I'm like, I don't belong here. I'm having that moment right now. This is my first album, Joe, that is going to be in a fight for the number one album in the world. Never dreamed. Now this is like, what the fuck am

I doing here? You know what I mean? Like do you think that's a different world? Do you think that's maybe something that you shouldn't even think about? Cuz like your music's amazing. You're amazing. Maybe all that just let it just exist No, that's what I that's what I've been and that's why so big now It's almost like if you pay attention to it, you're gonna go blind Yeah, you're kind of staring at the Sun Like it used to be you had a little campfire and you're warming your hands because it's cold outside. But now you're kind of staring at the sun and maybe just be Jelly Roll. That's what I...

But what's getting... Being Jelly Roll got me to the point that they're now saying I might have a number one album. You probably know what I'm saying? And then you're in a place where you're like, holy fuck fuck and that's where the imposter syndrome comes in because you're like yo I wasn't even that's where friends are bored yeah yeah I didn't have a billboard hot 100 song right until 24 36 months ago yeah you exploded but you handle it beautifully you really do you because you feel like genuine gratitude Genuine gratitude comes off you. Thank you. I am true. You feel it. I mean, you know me I'm

Can't believe this is happening. I know you can't Say every day is every corner. We deserve it I was just with our boy Brigham doing some blood work and getting some getting some some some shit to make my feel better broke my broke my heel and we were talking about that of like living in the gratitude of it to the in realizing even you saying that worse than such a special simulation yeah this time the time of this I know I keep going back to the same point But it's where my heart is right now is watching Me and a bunch of guys that were all at this kind of same thing at the same time three or four years ago

That you could feel the teapot bubbling And all of us being like a little left of center You know what I mean like I wasn't supposed to be in country music the way that they've embraced me Outside looking in you to never guess Outside looking in you could have never said that kill Tony would be the number one live podcast on the internet You know what I mean or that Schultz his podcast would be or that? me and Zack Bryan would have this

similar of course he wound up being way bigger than me, but just like similar kind of similar, of course he wound up being way bigger than me, but just like similar kind of, we're writing songs our whole life that nobody really heard and then all of a sudden they got just, it's probably the craziest synergies that could have ever happened in any scenario for me in any way. And it's inspired me to get healthy. It's like gave me purpose and I've never felt more loved. I've never felt more warmed or welcomed. I spent so much time feeling the opposite of loved. Even walking in here and playing with Carl,

there was a time in my life where I would have walked in here and that dog would have let y'all know I was not a good person. You know what I'm saying? You would have just looked at me like, why is Carl acting weird with this big guy? You know what I mean? Yeah, just what's up with kids were the same way, dude.

Kids would look at me and squall. You know what I mean? And it's really inspired me to start focusing on my health too, dude. I'm down 100 pounds now. Officially down 100 fucking pounds. That's amazing. Congratulations.

That's really huge. Dude, that's a massive accomplishment. Thank you, brother. It's been all food. I'm working out, I'm walking, but what I've learned is as I'm losing the weight it's inspiring me to just keep going. By nature I want to go walk and do more stuff because I fucking I'm lighter. I feel better. So when the homie's like you want to go play

basketball? We're playing basketball three days a week now. Wow. You want to hear the coolest act of love Joe? I'll try not to get emotional talking about this this but my whole band has watched me fight cocaine addiction. They watched me get off coke. They watched me get off lean. They've watched me figure my life out slowly and they knew that the last mountain for me was food. So we started putting a real structure around I hired a real nutritionist he's out here with me now I mean like I'm only eating his food I'm just like super with it we're getting anything that could you know out of the green room for just so I'm working out every day walking around the arenas and one day they have a basketball court we're

fucking playing in a this is insane by the way that I'm playing fucking NBA arenas and like I'm playing where the fuck in Orlando man I'm on an Orlando Magic court like what the fuck I'm feeling like I'm a fucking fat shack. But um so the first day it's just like me and like three or four dudes. The crew heard dude the next day 30. The whole crew showed up for me and they don't you know these dudes are just they're just there because they know it's helping me kind of. So now three days a week we're written basketball courts and having full-blown fucking tournaments and it's been so good for me because it's like Reconnecting to my childhood in this really weird way of like I grew up in a community where there were basketball courts

And we would all go play you know what I mean. It's like it's been really like It's been the best experience ever and I'm getting to do it in like back to that weird shit Not only you experiencing this with your friends and people you love and then you're doing it at the San Antonio Spurs court and the San Antonio Spurs coaches out there giving you pointers and fucking being the referee. That's amazing. You're here through the Sacramento Kings coaches fucking shooting with you you know what I mean? Yeah Elon's right. This ain't real life. No. It can't be. It's dude leaving nationwide arena, but I was also Telling Brigham talking about the humility too. Is that I'm still nervous walking in here We're friends and you know what you tell us all the time is what you told bring you know

What he's gonna tell you we're just two friends talking. I was like, I know what 20 million motherfuckers listening dog I fucking I'm not falling for that. We're just two buddies talking shit. Look at the Sun. That's it. You're right You know how much I needed to hear that? Especially like, because I don't get in my head about stuff, but just this week was the first time the label called and said, hey, we want to put this on your radar because it might make you want to promote the record. You might have a number one album. And I was like, whoa, dude, this shit wasn't even in my mind.

When I had a number five album last year, you couldn't have told me I didn't have a number one album. You know what I'm saying I was like fuck you crazy what I'm saying is this what's in that what's water this is coffee that's water okay yeah it's it's a wild experience man and if it's not real boy we picked a really good simulation it's been great though man it's been it's great to hear that you're on this positive track because it's all now just about momentum it's just about staying on the course. That's what's hard for people is getting the good momentum. Yeah, I'm building the momentum I had a moment the other day. I was telling Schultz this it was a really small win

But for a food lifelong food addict could Joe I was up to 550 some pounds. I was having to weigh myself at meat places you know, uh, and to weigh myself at meat places. You know, and I was telling him that I used to walk in and like a drug addict, I would scan the room and make a count of everything I could eat. You know what I mean? Like if you had like the little baby Snickers and a little thing or dodo dodo's and like the other day I was in my green room and somebody was in the green room and they picked up a piece of candy and said, did you want one of these? Because we just got hit in a dab or something. I didn't even know the candy was in the green room and they picked up a piece of candy and said, did you, you want one of these? Cause we just got hit, hit a dab or something. I didn't even know the candy was in there.

Cause normally they get the candy. They don't put shit like that in my room. And that was the first time I was like, Oh, I'm on to something. Like I'm fucking winning right now. Right. Like I didn't even notice that I could have been eating them for five hours. I didn't know. You know what?

I would have ate them all. I didn't even scan for candy. It wasn't even, it's not even a thought now when I walk into places. It's is there a candy dish here? You know what I mean? That used to be literally one of the first things I would look for.

You know, is there a candy dish here? I've had to make so many different small habit changes, but it's been the fucking, I was just telling Bub out there and I was telling Bruce on the way in here, I feel this good just losing 100 pounds Joe And I'm still I've never told my weight, but I'm gonna tell it here because I want some accountability from people I'm 420 something now 420 and Imagine I'm talking I'm walking around different talking different my shoulders are setting different. I'm fucking my wife different

I'm just kind of you know, I'm moving different, but you probably have crazy powerful legs, dude It's crazy. I bet you have massive. I've been going to the gym now I'd listen dude what as much as you can fit on that thing. I'm throwing of course throwing You've been carrying around 500 pounds. Yeah 500 plus your legs must be sturdy as fuck And if you could lose weight now, you're gonna have like super legs You really keep going no Joe man. My goal is when I come back and do this next year It's going to be fucking insane like I've never been more dialed in. I've never cared more about it I'm never been happy. What are you eating? Like what does he got you? Oh, dude, man? He's here He's um, he's actually been really killing it for me

So I had from eating bad for so many years My gut has just been fucked. So we've just been focusing on slowing down the gut. I'm only twice a day I'm eating a fruit snack in between you ever do any fasting. Mm-hmm Yeah, I'm trying to fast one day a week now just to work on like the autophagy So some of these skin cells so I won't be as full. I don't want to be saggy You know what I mean? Something to lose that kind of know that story about that one dude that went on nothing but a vitamin IV drip for a year?

For a year and lost 200 something pounds. I think he lost 300 pounds. Yeah, I've watched that story. Didn't he lose like 300 pounds? Something crazy like that. This dude had no food for you just and his fat shrunk but his skin shrunk too. Yeah, that's what happens. It's called, somebody told me and I could have the name here y'all, but it's called autophagy. Have you heard of this? I think autophagy is when you're, I think your body gets rid of all bad cells. This is like something that comes with fasting. Bad cells is definitely a scientific version of it but I think.

I think the way they explain it to me is that has something to do with the I think the way they explained it to me is that has something to do with the Alexis Alexis, how do you say elasticity elasticity of the skin and that it's what helps So that's why I work one day a week at least every other week. I'm just taking a full 24 hours But I'm only eating probably eight or nine hours a day now anyway, so I'm kind of intermittent That's the real bummer when people lose a lot of weight is he got all this extra skin like Ethan Suplee He had to have all that shit cut and stitched up I've listened to that podcast with him twice in the last 90 days for y'all's full three-hour podcast as far as to be here just just to kind of I love the way he thinks

Yeah, it's just you know, it's a guy. I love for me. I'm always looking for like inspiration as As a songwriter, we're always writing a song. You know as a comedian you're always looking for a joke. You know what I mean? So that kind of fine I'm always looking for that. So when I found that pot I was like oh this dude and he kind of did what I would how he looks now is a dream scenario for me. He didn't get like crazy big but he doesn't look like saggy sick because sometimes when you go from being as big as we've gotten you get down to 300 pounds and people start looking at you like are you okay? And you're like I'm fucking better than I've ever been you know what I mean they're worried Yeah, they're worried you know cuz but they've just couldn't imagine you know what I mean even when I just told

I always forget his name, but your guy out there the archer guy um Worked at the archery store great guy guy but I was just telling him that I um I yeah same thing same same concept. Yeah if you just keep going you know it'll become normal for you to not eat candy, normal for you to eat healthy food, it'll be what you crave. Lots of protein, lots of bone broth kind of potatoes, anything that we're doing whether it rice or bone broth. We're not doing a lot of it, but when we do it We're soaking it in bone broth Keeping it really clean protein style kind of going low on fats to kind of get let my liver kind of reset from just years I'm eating foods fatty foods and shitty

Greasies, you know, I mean, so just been kind of taking it slow, man I'm enjoying it though. The cool thing he did Bilal Muhammad's weight cut he's worked with DC this guy I found him from that world so he really gets it and that's a complicated science yeah yeah you get those guys like balls way over 170 I don't know what he weighs but I gotta guess he's close to 200 pounds yeah and he cuts down to 170 perfectly. Yeah, Ian does it every time. Said it's pretty effortless, man. Ian says it out of everybody that Bilal is just

insanely disciplined. You know what I mean? Like when he goes into camp, he's like a different dude. Well that dude does, he's done camp in Ramadan. And you know, you can't eat or drink anything during the daylight hours of Ramadan. So he would have to get up in the morning while it's dark out have a morning breakfast Go to training not eat anything and do it to it and no water

Yeah, you training and then at the end of the day then you get to eat. No, he's he's a machine that dude is Leon Edwards fight was crazy. I get to see him tomorrow. He's a great guy, man. He's a great guy. He really is. And, you know, the fact that he's that devout a Muslim that he, you know, prays five times a day, like he doesn't fuck around. Like he's really by the book. He doesn't even swear. No, he says fudge.

Yeah. Jelly, Jelly, Jelly, what the fudge are you doing? When are you coming to fudge in Chicago? It's ridiculous. He's like this assassin and he, you know and he you know. I'm gonna get to see the two champs tomorrow or I'll get to see him and I'll get to see the Venezuelan Vixen. They're both coming so him and Julianna are coming out to the show. Chicago? Yeah I'm super excited man. Album release night Chicago United Center first time at the United Center. Nice. Big big deal for

me. Chicago's always a great fucking town. It's such, what's the comedy club down there? Well they have a few. They have, what do they have, Zanies in Chicago. They have another one in Rosemont. The Dorfman Brothers don't have nothing to do with that one though, do they? I don't know. I don't know. I never know. That doesn't make sense if they don't. Did you hear what they did to the Nashville Zanis? So you know Brian and them own that building and the through the back bar the so you know that Zanis doors here the front door not the door we go to the front door whatever that place was right here he's turned that into a place called the lab now and it's like a 50 person smaller it would be like the

little boy. Oh yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like little boy, so he calls it the lab at Zany's now. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it's super, it's really, really cool. They used to have a really good room at the Improv in Hollywood, they called the lab, and that's where Ari started, This Is Not Happening, which became that Comedy Central show. You know, the storyteller show?

That all started in that lab, that was Ari's little baby that he created. The old way the comp the improv rather used to be set up was amazing You have the big room and then you have this tucked away small room in the back with a very small bar But then they expanded it and make made the bar bigger and made the stage by the door They fucked the whole thing up the whole thing's fucked now It used to be the stage was in the back there wasn't a lot of noise in the room, and then they turned it into a bar and fucked it up. But at that time that was what it was

called. It was called The Lab. Yeah, no, this place they call it The Lab. It's beautiful. Speaking of that show, God I'd love to see that show back. That show was so good. Yeah, you know what happened with that? You know how it all went down. Please Ari Got an offer from Netflix to do a special, you know, he actually filmed his special and Comedy Central wanted it because he was on Comedy Central but Netflix was better for him and They were pissed that he was gonna do the special on Netflix So they fired him and he's like stuck to his guns and then Roy Wood took over and he did it for a while.

And that was the end of it. But that's why it was because Ari wouldn't listen to that. They were trying to force him into doing a special on Comedy Central. Wow. Yeah. And he's like, no, like I don't have a contract that I have to do it on Comedy Central. This is crazy. They tried to use the show.

They did use the show. They did use the show they fired them fucking they fired them And that's crazy and not to say Rory Woods didn't do great with the show but a row it's great I mean Ari was happy that Roy Woods was took over because first of all Roy's hilarious great comic But also that meant all the people that were working on the show got to work I was gonna take out a loan and he was gonna pay all the people that all the camera people all the crew He's gonna pay everybody their salary Just cuz he felt bad. He felt bad and it was like this is not I did not what I want This is not my fault, but they're forcing me into it and by principle

I have I can't just give in and say okay I'm gonna do this at Comedy Central but just for just for just us having fun today purposes, imagine if that show came back right now with Ari. It could. It could come back. In the explosion that's happening right now? Well Ari should do the show on Netflix. It's his show.

I would. He called it now he calls it Ari Shafir's Renamed Storyteller Show. Yeah. I think that's what he calls it. He'll see he still does it It's on Netflix now. No, no. No, I said you should do a Netflix But he'll still do he'll still do live ones every now and then does live storyteller shows. No, he should do it man It's I think about guys like Brian. I would cry laughing to hear whatever his

Story was I think about the Joey D as the mother Mary story I'm going to that, you know, like there are stories on there that yeah Everybody's got good stories to people have stories with some fucking nutty thing that happened on the road or what have you? No, it's crazy. I'd love to start seeing people in my genre try stuff like that more They ever did it just try to like I'd love to hear you know, Jason Aldean tell a story You know what I mean? He really if he got with somebody backstage like One of the homies you know what I'm saying like if Rosebud was back there with him It was like hi tell me your best story, and I'll punch it up

You know I think Jason Aldean would at least kill a six-minute story. You know what I'm saying everybody's got at least one good story Mmm one that you could concoct. Yeah one together the right way. Yeah Yeah, I think that's probably the really is probably the oldest form of human entertainment. Yeah. It's funny how I love when anything you talk about has a theme, and this one has been storytelling. And that's, it's all I ever wanted to do. Before I was writing songs, because I knew that music could be written that way I would just write these kind of stories for my mother you know what I mean I would just

try to you know the story we've talked about a lot but it was a way to connect with her even before music and then when I found out music was her shit I was like oh this is the double connection like oh this is yeah I'm doubling down on this and I still to this day think I'm writing for my mama well like to this day I'm still like when I'm really finishing a think I'm writing for my mama. Like to this day I'm still like, when I'm really finishing a song, I'm thinking to myself, I wonder what my mama would think about this, you know, in this really weird way.

Like first thought, like I wonder if mama liked this, you know, or does this represent? And then the second thought is, why does this song exist? That's always my second following thought is, first thought is like, will my mama dig it? And then the second is, you know what I it's like in the second is like why is this exist though you know what I mean what could it do what purpose could it

actually serve right and if it's a it could be anything as much as it's just you know it just makes me happy or it could make people happy or it could make people move is enough of a reason. Out of these 100 plus songs you've written recently how many of them you think you'll ever record I? Recorded probably 30 something of them. Wow, I'm gonna put out probably 28 and I think four or five will probably end up Circulating next year through other artists that'll just cut some of the songs Because sometimes I'll write a song show, but I'm just not the vessel and I know it when I'm writing it

You know what I mean? Do you hear it in a different voice like sometimes sometimes but sometimes you just know that it's like I couldn't sing this with a certain Amount of conviction, you know, like for me personally, you know, it's not that I couldn't you know, uh It's I don't know I don't know if this is a good comparison, but it'd be like, I could write a song about hating my wife, but I could never sing it because I don't really hate my wife. I could never sing it with conviction. Now as a songwriter, do I have the skill set to write a song about hating my wife?

For sure. But would I ever sing one and represent myself that way? I couldn't sing it with conviction But there might be a guy in Nashville who just got his heart broke Well, you know Colter Walls Kate McCannon That's the mother of all I hate my wife. So yeah Insane that's a crazy song when the fact the fact that dude was 21 when he sang that you're like what it sounds like he's 58 I believe in reincarnation. I'm telling you man

There's no other way that doesn't make sense and if his story couldn't get any cooler It's that he just doesn't give a fuck don't give a fuck won't do podcasts for sure. I tried so hard He told Post Malone Post Malone hit him up and Post was like hey man I'd love to work and pretty much he was like yeah if you ever want to come to the ranch Well, we can maybe write something? He's like poses like if you want to fly to the middle of Canada Yeah, we can write a song, but if you think I'm getting off this ranch to write with you fuck no Yeah, he really works on a ranch. Yeah, that's how Cody Johnson is to the Cody Johnson flies out on the weasel

It's I joke with him all the time. I'm like you're a cowboy that plays a country music singer on the weekends Hmm you like because you know a cowboy that plays a country music singer on the weekends. You like, because you know, I mean, he plays music for real, but he literally goes home in ranches, Monday through Thursday, you'll FaceTime this dude, and he'll be out just in his ranch somewhere tagging cattle. That's amazing. You know what I mean? And then Friday night, he'll fly and go sell out, you know, two nights at the Staples Center. I have not experienced any of that. But I swear to God, it's so, it resonates with you when you watch it on Yellowstone. Yeah, right? I want to live like that. So bad. I want to hang out with the horses. It seems like a good time. It seems like everybody's

all peaceful and shit. We'll stay and watch the rodeo late at night because PBR plays on a, you know, TV or whatever. And I'll watch that stuff. I don't know much about it, but I just can't quit watching. I think watch that stuff. I don't know much about it, but I just can't quit watching I think it's the wildest shit ever yeah I watch it for bursts, but then my knowledge of orthopedic surgeries that these people are gonna be receiving and injuries and concussions They're just like I gotta stop watching this I love watching stuff. It doesn't seem real though, right? Have you seen the J is it JB Mooney? Is that how you say? Yeah, is it Mooney Mooney, right? I think it's Mooney. Yeah, is it Mooney or Mo Mooney? Is that how you say his name? Or is it Mooney? It's Mooney, right? I think it's Mooney.

Is it Mooney or Mooney? You got me thinking now. Yeah, me too. But that dude, he owns the cow that retired him. It's crazy. How cool is that? Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, but we're talking about a dude that, you know,

with no helmet, cigarette lit in his mouth. Animal. Like, oh, just when you look at. Animal. Those dudes riding bulls with no helmet on is the craziest fucking American thing that anyone's ever done That is so dumb and so amazing at the same time. What the fuck are you doing?

It is so American dude, and they're especially had the cigarette You're just like this it almost looked like it was out of a movie like somebody overcooked it and at the end those guys are always Broken just everything's broken. We had a dude on fear fear factor that was a bull rider and one of his arms His shoulder had like just giant scars all over the place city. I like five or six shoulder reconstructions It pops out sometimes just to pop it back in that is she Sick it's great all from riding a giant two thousand pound animal. It doesn't want you right Yeah, and when it gets you off of it and wants to hurt you want to stop. Yeah, it's pissed off Yeah, man, fuck all that noise. I can't quit watching them. No, I don't know why I'm just so a trap always been a trap

I loved I loved songs about rodeos those what did it we talked about before? There was 90s music had all these like old-school really cool rodeo records And I feel like somewhere it's kind of like everything goes in themes and then country music went through like, you know The hunting and fishing era but in the 70s it was more of the storytelling era like the poncho and lefty style stuff You know what I mean? But to me the 90s cowboy music was like still some of the best country music ever made well You know who's got the best rodeo song for my money Zach Brown open the gate. Oh It's one of the best rodeo songs ever written. Oh my god 100% oh my god Meanwhile I'm listening to him going get off that boat

Don't ride the same goddamn bull that killed your dad. Jesus Christ. You want to hear a cool rodeo story? Reba McIntyre got discovered at one. At a rodeo? You want to talk about a real cowgirl. Reba McIntyre was like Oklahoma or somewhere and she would sing the national anthem at all the local rodeos because they knew she was a local singer but she was a real cowboy.

So one night she was singing, this is back in the day when it was old school like a record exec discovered you. You know what I mean? And like flew you to Nashville and signed you to a record deal. That's a true story though. Reba was just like did it because she loved it like if you were singing in church, just every weekend they'd have the rodeo in town and she'd go sing the national anthem for them. Wow. How many people are like that out there? When you think about yourself becoming like artist of the year at 39, how many people are like that out there? When you think about yourself becoming like artist of the year at 39, how many people are like that out there that are just super talented that just never get that crack? It's cool.

It's man. There's a thing that's inside some people. There's a thing that's inside some people and it's different in everybody. Like you're different is different than Coulter Wall is different, it's different than Reeb is different, different than Johnny Cash is different. Everybody's got that thing. Everybody's got that thing. But there's so many people out there that we never get to see that thing. I wonder how much of it is the ones that just jump ship early too though.

They quit. Yeah. A lot of people quit. It's hard. I think about doing something for 10 years to no avail is really, really hard, man. This is what I tell people. I was a desperate delusional dreamer job and everything I regret I did out of desperation, but I don't regret one thing

I did as a delusional dreamer, you know what I mean? Cuz there was moments We were we were I did this I went to the juvenile yesterday in Columbus, Ohio, I went to go play cards with the kids in their units before my show I try to do stuff like that all the time and we were all talking about You know time energy stuff into this and songs and I talked about writing 170 songs last year And I was like do y'all know that there was so many moments in my life where I in hindsight I'm glad nobody sat me down really that I had to have looked fucking crazy You know that kid asked me he said uh, when did you feel like you made it?

I was like, I think that's why God kept blessing me is that me and DJ highlight is my DJs from Columbus, Ohio He was there with me. We did the one o'clock slot at rock on the range 12 years ago, right the festival, you know rock on the range Jamie. This is a big deal of where Jamie's from ago, right? The festival, you know Rock on the Range, Jamie. This is a big deal of where Jamie's from. We played the fifth stage of five stages. So we played the smallest stage there. 30 minutes after they opened the gates. Joe, we started drinking at 10 o'clock that morning because we were rock stars in our minds. We had made it. We were that delusional. We were backstage, full blown shooting shots and celebrating. There was 40 people there. There was thousands of people just walking right past our stage to the stage they were

going to. We didn't care. We had made it. You know what I mean? Like we'd made it. You're telling me we got $1,500 bucks to do this? This is insane. We have arrived.

And I'd go home, my old beat up bed in my whole neighborhood probably had to look at me like I was fucking nuts. You know what I'm saying? But nobody said that to me. I had to look like the crazy person kind of, right? At this point I'm in my early 30s, mid 30s even, and they're like, all right big guy. But you're a rock on the range. You actually are performing there.

That's how I felt. I think you're correct. Yeah, I felt that way. I think you should be celebrating. Yeah, you're supposed to be. Yeah, and when I told that kid that it was cool to see his face kind of light up, he was like, man, that's perspective. You and when I told that kid that it was cool to see his face kind of light up he was like man that's perspective you know what I mean? I was like dude I was I would celebrate whenever I would get a clap in here when

I was in Juvenile when we'd have Freestyle Fridays in Juvenile and if I had if I spit one line that got a ooh man I went to my cell did push-ups and started looking in the mirror different you know what I'm saying? I was like, it's fucking fixing to happen. You know what I'm saying? Right. That kind of delusion will just celebrate every moment I had, I made a moment. What is this? This is the day.

Look at you up there. Yeah, this is us. This is a true story. Rock on a range. This is Rock on a Range, dude. This is 2017, probably. Wow. Yeah. This was our second time. I think we made it to the second stage by then. Yeah, this is 16. Yep, this is the second time. It's weird doing shows when it's bright out. Yeah. I'm just getting used to doing shows when it's dark. I know, shows when it's bright out are kind of crazy.

It's a dude. It is unforgiving. Yeah. Especially when you're, you know, you're trying to, you're working, you're trying to build something, you know, and you're looking out and there's a lot of people that are coming to give you a chance. Yeah. But they don't know anything about you.

Well, the thing is, if you could figure it out, right, people figure out everything. They figure out how to write books, they figure out how to play baseball, people figure it out, right? People figure out everything. They figure out how to write books. They figure out how to play baseball. People figure it out, but not everybody figures it out. That's why it's so exciting when you do. That's why it's so exciting when you make it. Because you know it's not just that a bunch of lucky things had to happen to you, because they all do with all of us.

There's a lot of good circumstances to happen your way, just to keep you alive, right? You have to get lucky. But then you also have to have that thing. Like what is that thing inside you that you got to get out and you can figure out a way to get the best version of it and display it for people or you quit. A lot of people quit. Man, I tell you, there's a line in the song, Joe, that it's an old song called Just Breathe. Breathe and she goes into the song she ends the song by going 2 a.m. and I'm still awake writing this song because if I get it all out on paper it's no longer inside of me threatening the life it belongs to I almost get emotional when I tell people that because to me that is the greatest line ever written as to how I feel

Yeah, you know what I mean like This idea that I have to get this out of me. It's like I don't When I write it's not like I'm I have to it's like a thing in me that's burning in me It's like I have to get this out of me brother. I wake up out I wrote I wrote that somebody saved me on a sheet of paper out of a dead sleep Really notebook side of the bed? Just like I wrote notes here with you and you'd say something would inspire me one of these is a song title right here

Right now you said it earlier. What are you up to you off? Tell you off camera? Okay? But I wrote a song on now it didn't make the make the album, but Burt one night said something. He was like, yeah, man, this is where dreams go to die. And he was talking about a bar he used to go to, where everybody would talk about what they would do, but never did. So he quit talking about what he was gonna do. But what he don't know is I just quietly grabbed my phone

and wrote, dreams die here. You know what I'm saying? I went and wrote the song. It sucked. I'm gonna send it to him. But I tried. You know what I'm saying? You never know, maybe revisit it in a year or two.

Yeah. But I connect with that in a way that's, writing is, it's an outlet for me. It always was. It was always a way to express and to tell stories around me. It's also a connection to some strange realm where ideas come from. Ideas that come to you, they just come to you out of nowhere. They just feel like gifts. They really do. Like when you're sitting in front of the computer and an idea just comes to you and you start writing it down or when you wake up in the middle of the night take a leak and you can't get this idea out of your head and you gotta grab a notebook. Man those things are

gifts. They're gifts from the universe. You've had that happen too. You find yourself at the kitchen table at 3 a.m. The worst one is I try to convince myself that I'll remember it Because I'm lazy you're gonna remember don't worry about it. You'll definitely remember that you don't remember it. I Remember like one of them ever But I write them down now. I do too I got a small legal pad beside my bed like the little one and I got one This is a crazy place, but I have one on top of my commode. Mmm, that's a good place for it. So in case I'm going in there to pee or something and on the way there just

Yeah, sometimes too I have to grab my phone and do melodies in the middle of the night because I have dreamed of melodies before. Like you hear it. Like stone-cold melodies in my dreams. Like if somebody saved me melody was in my dream. Mmm. The first words, the problem was me and D Ray joke about it. It took us Two hours to write the song that would have took us 20 minutes to write because I was convinced somebody Saved me was supposed to be the chorus Interesting I know I'm I know I'm weird when I talk about stuff like this Joe, but this is how the universe works I don't'm I know I'm weird when I talk about stuff like this Joe, but this is how the universe works I don't think I was wrong

Because when Eminem ended up taking that song, you know Eminem redid that song. Oh, yeah, you got to hear it It's crazy Eminem redid the song and he took the verse from somebody saved me the first verse and made it the chorus Whoa, so his version of it is he's rapping and then my first verse is the chorus and then he raps again and my first verse is the chorus again. So maybe I was kind of right. In the groom I kept going back to like you should start this way. Did you ever tell him that before you did? Never even told him the story. It gets Joe I'm fucking flipping it gets even deeper dog. John Manili my manager calls me and goes he says Paul Rosenberg just called me that's Em's manager. He says I think Eminem wants to do something to save me I didn't ask

John Manili right then Joe I said man I hope he takes the first verse and samples it that's all I said and John said whatever I don't know what he wants to do with it we just sent it over because you know Eminem is the greatest ever you don't send them instructions or notes or ideas you know what I'm saying you're just like yeah and And we didn't talk about that until we met. And he was just as whipped out too, because the funny part about him was he was struggling with whether or not he was going to keep the original chorus and do somebody save me at the end or do somebody save me as the chorus and put the original

chorus at the end. And he ended up doing somebody save me in the original chorus at the end. So he fought the battle the opposite of the way I fought it. It's crazy, right? How art works that way? It is crazy. It's crazy where those things come from, the muse, you know? And you got to respect the muse, you know? And like, I think when you're writing a lot like you are, like that muse is like ready to go. Like you're tuned into whatever that is that gives you those ideas for songs. You're just like searching for for you're in the mode of searching for it. No, I'm always it's like the net. Yeah, you're right I'm in that space. I'm in my stride. I'm in my quest of I'm looking for it at every angle right now. I'm like I

Wrote a song I wrote so many time my storytelling again. Sorry. I keep going here. It's my fucking story telling by guys. I storytelling again sorry I keep going here it's my fucking story don't buy it I I probably have four songs on this podcast that I wrote just very old school storytelling like the music I grew up loving like how Willie Nelson would tell these stories yeah characters and it has been so talking about muses I don't I wasn't sure if I was gonna tell this story but I will I as a part of my journey of my mental health and with things I struggle with I will pop into when I'm home in a or AA meetings even though I still drink smoke pot I don't claim to be a part of the program because I have so much respect for those who are sober like can really live the clean sober life by the

program but it's helped me so much not to go back to some of my demons it's taught me about gratitude lists just helped me a lot and I go to you know few a year never say nothing just sitting back quietly I'm just in there trying to learn you know never never went in there thinking like an artist just kind of just just kind of going there thinking like an addict so I just want to be an addict in here that's why I don't talk and I watched a man having a breakdown in there and this happens you know what I mean people are coming to here and you know I mean it's an AA meeting right and he's shaking and at the end they go does

anybody want to get a 24-hour chip or a desire to change and the guy said I drank this morning but I do have a desire and he was already shaking where he had drinking five six hours and the guy goes old head walks over most gangster shit I ever seen puts his arm around him and says it's all right baby none of us came in here on winning streak dude I was like I had no intention to go into this meeting the only reason I even went believe it or not wasn't because I was having a craving even I had an hour to kill on the way to a writing session. And I was like, well, fuck it. I could either spend this hour scrolling on fucking TikTok

and thinking about how fucking Ukraine's gonna kill us or, you know what I mean? And I went into the meeting and I left and I walked in the writer's room and they was like, you know, it's fun when we write together because everybody's got an idea. I said, boys, I don't know if this is the idea, but I want to tell you what just happened to me.

I just seen one of the most beautiful acts of humanity I've ever seen. Just the most, because this guy's shaking, he's crying, and this dude's walking. I'm getting emotional because I'm watching it. The whole room's getting emotional. This dude just super cool, just kind of walks over and look like a almost like I've seen this before he was he was the only one that There all of us were sad this dude was happy. He walked over to smile like he'd seen it He was like, I don't worry baby. Nobody comes in here on a winning streak And uh, so I did some I went back to the meeting a week later

But we started the song the guy ended up being like 25 30 years clean that came in to help the other guy Wow, so we wrote the song it's called winning streak. like 25, 30 years clean. They came in to help the other guy. So we wrote the song. It's called Winning Streak. It's fucking, I've sung it on Saturday Night Live. It was cool. It's not even out yet. It'll be on my album today. But imagine if you didn't walk into that place. Imagine if you didn't walk into that place. Just old church basement. How much time have you lost on your phone where you could have been walking into a place talking to people and getting winning streak yeah you know what I mean it's like just you know especially as an artist that deals in you know to say it again stories and just now you know you find things out about people when you see them interact

with each other and sometimes it just lights a spark yeah it's just man you yeah anytime I see anything that makes me feel something I feel the need to try to write it whether it makes me happy or sad or you know what I mean if you really think about like old-school rock and roll I think like classic rock there's great songs but then there's these story songs you know like shooting star that bad company song you know Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatles song. That's one of those songs that like everybody listens to the words, you know, you just get

caught up in the story. There's a difference between that and you know, just fun songs. There's fun songs, back in black, you know, fun. It's not like a story, like an emotional story that gets you. There's some of those songs, you know. American Pie. American Pie. Oh my God. Oh my God.

I listen to it once a week in the Cold Plunge, because the original version is like seven minutes. Yeah. So if I start it while I'm getting into my skibbies, songs over, I get out of the Cold Plunge. Yeah. seven minutes yeah so if I start it while I'm getting into my skibbies songs over I get out of cold punch yeah but it's a that song um talk about dude how about James Taylor I've seen fire and I've seen rain the greatest song ever written Joe the greatest song ever don't listen to that song when you're sad dog you look I'll cry if I'm happy but bro that song will get you every time

That's all get you and that's a story to and that motherfucker had a voice man He had what a special voice and it was so effortless Joe. Yeah, he um When he opened his mouth, it was almost like he was just talking to you like me and you but he was sing like an angel And you know, he was self-taught guitar. So he plays like shapes and chords that don't really technically exist really yeah He literally because he self-taught himself. They'd be like well. That's kind of a That looks like a G, but you're doing this not that it's like it was crazy. He's authentic my father But who I named buddies after my bar was uh we were driving down to Gulf Shores, Alabama one time and

I was a kid and we started listening to fire and rain and He starts my family would tell these stories about music I don't know what it was but before they would play a song it was like they would take and I'm like this to this day I would take great pride and being like oh I'm fixing to show you something so I'd give you the setup you know so my dad goes I'm not gonna set this song up I'm gonna tell you about it afterwards we're gonna listen to it again there it goes give me it from the beginning Jamie hmm this Jamie. This motherfucker. So look at him. All this long hair. That was before he went bald. When he went bald, he said, fuck it.

Yeah. That was, Hey, Mr. Jukebox James. Um, bro, that guy could not have a fly swatter big enough to swat those panties My god listen voice like an angel sensitive and hot take He was married to a woman that is arguably a better songwriter than him Carly Simon Carly Simon was so beautiful. God, when she was young, she was like one of those beautiful women that's ever lived. I love that none of that mattered to him though. Watch this. So my dad tells me this story, Joe, and we are riding down I-65 I've only seen my father

cry three times. Give me some words Jamie. And we are crying we are going down I-65 and we are squalling. I mean like two children Joe. Just authentic you know what I mean? There's no bullshit in this song. The third verse when he goes, uh, yeah, you got to let this rip then. It's a core memory I'll have forever though. I watched this. To me this is some of the best, the whole song, but right here. I've been walking my mind to an easy time with my back turned towards the sun.

So simple but real. The Lord knows when the cold wind blows it'll turn your head around. There's hours of time on the telephone line to talk about things that come. Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground. Well now I've seen fire and I've seen rain. I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end. Now watch him take it up right here. I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend But I always thought that I'd see you somehow one more time again now

I thought I'd see you one more time again There's just a few things coming my way this time around Damn. So good. It's crazy. What a team, him and Carly's Hunt. Think about that. What was the... Probably the most important thing for you to do? I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure.

I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure.

I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure What a team, him and Carly's Hunt. Think about that. What was um... Bro, You're So Vain. Oh my goodness. Pull that shit up. Give me a You're So Vain. And seeing her sing it with that bass. Oh my God. God. Oh my God. What a great song.

And was it, was it, he toured with Carole King forever, right? Do they ever have a relationship? Hopefully. Right? You're talking about another great songwriter. God, dude. Here we go. While she's playing the piano, son.

With her hair blowing. So 80s. in the wind. Yes You watch yourself This pre-chorus is crazy But hold on hold on because of the song was about him he's right yeah, right for right? For sure. You know Warren Beatty, he was listening to that song going, I think this song is about me. I was like, yeah! I knew I was him. And that's live back when they were like, you know, that was live, live.

That might be one of the first diss songs. Right? Right? I think that's the first diss track. Hold on, hold on. When was this song put out? I was about to say, is it officially about Warren Beatty? I thought it rumors that it was about James Taylor too. Oh really? I thought it's unconfirmed who it's written about.

James Taylor? How they ever talk about the king that way. You know what man, it wouldn't shock you right, if you found out that the guy was like the sweetheart super nice guy was actually a fucking psycho. Dude, I've had, talking about James Taylor, I've had fans come up to me and they would be crying and they go I'm so sorry I'm crying and every time I tell them the same thing I say don't worry I've ever meet James Taylor I'm gonna cry for sure I know it so I'd be up like 100% I'm gonna cry ever since the singer released her accusatory track in 1972 the identity of you has remained one of the greatest mysteries in music history

but she did date Warren Beatty, right? What you wouldn't like it came out in 72. Well, here's the guy when did sweet home Alabama come out? Warren Beatty Michael Crichton Jack Nicholson cat Steve and Chris Taylor or John Travolta even rumored flings with Sean Connery Marvin Gaye Marvin Gaye Jagger possibility of Mick Jagger. I bet All the talented motherfuckers She got around I bet Marvin Gaye was a monster When did sweet home Alabama come out so, you know sweet home Alabama was a clapback track

Yeah, so it was in the diss world too. So I think it was right around that early 70s era too. Yeah. 74? So it was after that. Your Sylvain came out before it. Yeah. But when did Southern Man come out?

I think that was the first. It could probably be the same time, right? It was just a year before. So that was- 1970? Yeah, oh no, so it was a few years before. So they wrote it about Southern Man? Is that what they wrote it about? Yeah yeah, they were the idea wasn't Neil Young was speaking a lot about what was happening down there in the south at the time and

Ronnie's position was just simply like hey, man We stay the fuck out of your business. They out of ours. Yeah, you know a southern man. Don't need them around anyhow Yeah, you know, it's how that kind of how you came back up What a banger of a song What a banger That is a sweet home Give me some of that. Yeah, please Damn, that's a good song. I mean all respect to Neil Young. That's better than anything he's ever done

No, no new young apologize later. It's really cool. He owned it. He publicly said Ronnie was right. But you know, his name checked and dissed. Yeah, I don't think they thought about it that way back then. It reached number eight, the Billboard Hot 100. Give me some Sweet Home Alabama. That's a song that you hear in the bar in the first couple of chords play and you go, oh yeah. You just immediately stand up. You're like, oh, we're from the party. Oh, baby. And I hate to be this guy, but I immediately look around I'm like everybody in here who doesn't know this song. I Don't know that we can be friends. How do you can't at least sing the chorus or if you don't go down there? Oh, don't be near. This might be one of the most recognizable songs ever

what It's gonna be a live video too? You just have to go for the live one, especially this one. Yeah. Once again, look at these bad motherfuckers. Oh, they were so fun. You want to talk about people that couldn't get the pussy away from them? And they're from Florida. That's 77, so that's Ronnie. Oh no, that's Johnny. Once again, how great Gary Rossington was. To me, he's the greatest guitarist that ever lived, up there with Hendrix. He's on Mount Russmore guitarist, because I can't name another guitarist, Clapton of

course, that has more riffs that you want to hum. Right. Right? Cause like... Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do You know what I'm saying? Dude, think about it. Give me three steps. Yeah. Ba-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yeah. You're like, you can, there has not been that since,

if you ask me. You know what I mean? Like, Helm, Clapton, Hendrix, like, they had those kind of guitars. But this was different because it was riffs. Right. It wasn't like a solo. They were singing over these riffs.

Right. And the riffs were bigger than the melody sometimes They captured you if you tell somebody right now Like you ever heard the song sweet home Alabama and they go how's it go? You wouldn't go sweet you'd go dear dear dear dear dear dear dear Yeah, it's crazy. That's how good Gary was man. That's solo in free bird is insane Oh, it is it's the best solo ever. Ever. It's hard to say because of Hendrix and Steve Ray Vaughan and a bunch of other people Eddie Van

Halen but that solo was the same every time they did it. Oh the story about Sweet Home Alabama. They're sitting at a sound check and it's just Ronnie and Gary and Gary's holding electric and he goes man I got this I just don't know what to do with it's better better been here better better better better and Ronnie goes well hell just keep playing it let me fuck with it so they just looped that and that's how they wrote the song just them yeah dude I'm so I'm such a I have like Skinner to me is like Jesus I'm a giant Skinner fan and you know what I love about Skinner too they came out of Florida who would have saw that straight out of Jacksonville what Jacksonville's not gonna make any amazing bands dude how's this band come out

of Jacksonville and every song is about running away from girls I gotta go ladies yeah I gotta be free two steps I love you but I gotta go it's crazy I gotta go dude they were the best man when Gary when Gary's family gave me that guitar I love you, but I gotta go. It's crazy. You know what I'm saying? I gotta go! I gotta go. No, dude, they were the best man. When Gary's family gave me that guitar after he passed away, it still is up there with like my top probably ten possessions that I've ever been gifted. You know what I mean? I have it in my studio now and I hung it in a case with the note that his family wrote me with the picture that we took the night he played the guitar. And I put a lock on the case. the night he played the guitar and I put a lock on the case instead of just casing it

forever I put a lock on it so I can still play it so when we do the album there's a couple of tracks that we played a Gary Rossington guitar on. Oh wow. You know what I mean? Because it was a Gary Rossington played guitar. Wow. And his family the estate gave it to me right after he passed. Does it sound different? It's got well it's it's um it's an old Les Paul and it's older so it's got a different pickup on it so it's got some different tunes passed. Does it sound different? It's got, well, it's an old Les Paul, and it's older, so it's got a different pickup on it. So it's got some different tunes and textures to it. What's the difference between the older pickups

and the newer ones? I don't know. I'm not as educated in it as most real guitarists. I'm a campfire guitarist. But it's, you know, over the years, they always found different ways to make them, so they were, as they were improving them, but the sounds and textures were getting different. but I forgot exactly what he does because he

takes a pickup from another guitar and puts it into I think in a most of his guitar there's a lot of real guitarists that'll like they'll want to play this guitar but they'll want to put this from this guitar on this guitar is that their shit yeah because they like the way well I like to pick up on this or I like this in this or I like the way this you know whatever makes sense and then they'll have a kind of hodgepodge like that but uh you know something else when Gary survived that plane crash let's think about him playing guitar he had a rod that went from right here Joe to his elbow oh my god and still

played the guitar that way so if you ever watched Gary play the guitar he always kind of played it high like Charlie Crockett, or down here like this because he couldn't full-blown get full extension on the wrist. So he was playing all those from 70, whatever the 70s. When was the plane crash? Jamie, you know? I figured you might know off the top. How many people died in the crash? I know Ronnie did for sure. I think it was two or three. Wasn't Ronnie standing up? It was in 77.

So that video you just showed might have been one of Ronnie's last performances. He was standing up when the plane crashed, right? He went and sat down. He was drinking. Yeah, they were just partying. They were just Leonard Skinnering, dude. You know what I'm saying?

If he sat down and put his seat belt on, he might still be here. It's crazy, dude. It is crazy, man Damn was it when you said it was 77 three days after their fifth album was released. Yeah Street Survivors Wow, just totally different man. I've I've gotten so far into there We've been covering skinnered on the road for years and years. Anyways, just that's probably not a skinnered song I can't play.

You know, right, if we were to go to a bar tonight, you could probably just randomly pick a Skinner'd song and I'd go up there and be able to just kill. Just love Skinner'd, dude, you know what I mean? They were awesome, man. They were gone too quick. You know, and I know they toured after, but he died, but it wasn't the same.

Yeah, you know the reason, they still tour. One thing I don't, as a Dau hard fan, I don't object to it a lot. Now that Gary's gone, it's a little rougher because he was the last living one. But Johnny Van Zandt, how are him and Ronnie Keehan, I always confuse it. They're cousins, right, or they brothers?

Because remember the three Van Zands, wanna talk about a family, Joe? Johnny, Ronnie Van Zandt created Leonard Skinner, was the first lead singer. Johnny Van Zandt took his plot when he died, and the other Van Zandt created Leonard Skinner was the first lead singer Johnny van Zandt took his plot when he died and the other van Zandt brothers the lead singer 38 special crazy Yeah, it's the younger brother. So his younger brother took right over and Like I tell people is there's the average Leonard Skinner fan That's not like me and you like obsessed with him to a degree

They don't know anybody other than him to be their singer because he's been their singer 44 years longer than Ronnie was that band was only been out for four years when Ronnie died Right, you know what? I mean, it's like an AC DC type thing. Exactly. You know what I mean? So it's like and the fact that it's a true van zandt and Johnny's still the lead man to this day So when I go see him, I still feel like I'm watching Ronnie a little bit. Looks just like him, still got the same long hair as Johnny Van Zant, dude. You know what I mean? Ronnie was a fucking psycho though.

No, that's the difference. Johnny's like a really, really calm, cool man. He's also older now. These dudes are all Ricky Medlock and them. He was with the original group too, pretty much. He's still there. Them dudes are all in their 70s. Yeah, and was with the original group too, pretty much. He's still there. Them dudes are all in their 70s. Yeah, and that's nuts too, because when we were kids, we never thought that rock stars

be touring in their 70s. They're going to come out for my Jacksonville show. They came in sung with me last time. Really? That's amazing. Johnny and Ricky always come out and sing, man. They're fun. That's awesome.

Yeah, dude. It never gets any different. Dude, look at you. You're living the life. It's fucking weird, dude. You're living the life. It's the shit we grew up listening to. I'm saying. It's fucking weird. You're living the life. It's the shit we grew up listening to It's like I don't know man It's weird when you meet people that you that were real famous when you're a kid that to me is always gonna be the weirdest

One it's the one Steven Tyler. Yeah that meeting that dude meeting people like that. It's just like You just feel weirded out. I met Tarantino's This is weird. Yeah, this is weird, especially people you watched back in your childhood. Yeah Out of all the comedians I met the only one I've probably ever been made an ass of myself to is Ron White because I literally have watched him since I was a teenager because he was such a voice for I Don't want this to come off disrespectful, but being from the south of my household

We thought Jeff Foxworthy was incredibly funny. We liked his books more than his comedy though, because we felt like his comedy almost felt a little forced to us as Southern people that just didn't sit right in my household. In what way? In this way of like, there's different- You might be a redneck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean? If your family tree does not fork- It was hilarious, but we- No know all the books, we religiously. But when we're watching a blue collar special as a family, and I know this wasn't the way to watch it in hindsight, we're all waiting on Rod. You know what I mean? There's nothing wrong with that. He's the voice of our household, but I'm also in a household full of drunks, by the way.

My father's a raging alcoholic, my mother does drugs all my brothers do drugs, but it was like, you know, we loved we'd love Jeff We love we love bill Larry the cable guy, but man when we just Ron was our you know, he just spoke to What our household was doing, you know what I mean? So when I met him, it was kind of like man I gotta tell my fucking mama. Well, he first started hanging out the store bell like I guess it was about ten years ago He never had like a club like that before where it was like a home base You know he was always a successful touring comedian, so he'd bring guys to open up for him on the road But it was basically the Ron White show Then he started hanging out with us at the store. He was like man. This is what I've been missing

You know been missing like a real camarradery like the base the home base where everybody goes and just hangs out makes all the difference in the world it is if no well iron sharpens iron too yeah when you're in Nashville too I mean think about how many different amazing artists there are that you go see live in Nashville just fucking around on a regular night for sure. Yeah, Dirk Bentley goes and plays this like With his bluegrass band like a 200 person bar every week. That's amazing You know like his little subversion of a bluegrass band. It's uh, it's a matter That's how I feel about our songwriting community, too

I've wrote in LA and I've had big songs come out of LA, but Nashville is just man It's the killers. You know what I mean is the dudes that are just the the dudes and girls down there They're in those rooms every day or snipers. They've been doing it forever That's what anything like you do in all those shows. It's the same thing like them, right? You just get real good at your fucking for sure and you get to know how to pivot You know what? I mean like that's something else that comes with being on that stage of much is It's like the more you do it, the more circumstances you've been up against, nothing starts to scare you no more. Right. Like even if I walk out to a crowd, like if I'm opening for somebody still and I walk out and I'm like,

ah, I'm gonna have to really work for this one. I'm not panicked. I've done it enough now. I'll even watch some guys in my band get a little panicked. We'll be on the second song and you'll see them going like, why are they not just so excited we're here? I'm like, just relax, it's okay, we're gonna get there. You know what I'm saying, let's just have fun. The hardest spot is opening on a comedy show, it's brutal. I tell every comedian that opens for me,

this is like running what weights on. Yeah, you're talking about like the one of three, not the feature slot, the number one. First guy, first guy on stage, that's the hardest gig. And it's the gig for the guys that are the youngest, that are the learners, they're learning it. They don't really know how to do it yet You know and you're kind of responsible for getting the first laugh of the night. You are 100% responsible. That's a man You got to break the room. Yeah

Hans Kim was like our best opener because Hans Kim has structure all of Joseph structure So he puts you in this mode of laughing at ridiculous shit and he puts you in this like it's like a very Structured set so it gets people into like the hypnosis of comedy Right he get locked into laughing and then boom next comedian goes up and the bars already set Yeah, you're already loose and everybody's running but that first spot man You got it like it's the same with us that you if you're one of three Alexander Kaye's doing on this tour and she's killing it but it is a rough one because you've won you've got your fans that knew you were one of three and they showed up early so that's what that's the only thing you have to

advantage the rest of it is people literally walking in with popcorn and beer in their hand wondering why the show's already started you know I've had I tell people all the time you're not gonna be a good performer until you performed in a place where people Looked at you like you were interrupting them, right? You know what I mean you ever been a place where you're like, hey, I'm sorry I'm bothering y'all about playing loud music up here. You fucking knew you were coming to a bar bitch, you know But those are the funnest two though I got to open up for Morgan Wallen this year a few times and it was really fun because in the last few years We've just been headlining. We haven't got to really, you know

Go out and do something that was so much dramatically bigger than us that it made sense for us to do it And I love Morgan. So I was like I'm in and uh, and we went out there and it was cool because you feel it immediately You're like even with the hits I have You know, there's 70,000 people here that bought a ticket to see Morgan Wallenford. They knew my name was on the bill. Right. You know, so there's a lot of people here that are with me, but I'm still having to tell you, I'm still up here like, oh, okay, tonight, you know, I say there's three scenarios in my business. And I don't know if this is probably different for y'all. But in mind, my three scenarios are this one is the you're welcome we're here right which is the simple like thank y'all we thank each other you came to see me I'm gonna

give you a great show thank you it's the easy one right the the other one is the thank you for listening I appreciate that you gave me enough respect that you sat here and listen to me and the third one is the one that makes men it's the hey motherfucker I'm singing. Yeah. And you have to go through a couple hundred of those before you get good. You know what I mean? Like, I don't care.

And that's what's been so about like the TikTok explosion is you have these kids that'll have this big hit joke and they'll have five or six hits in a row and they can start selling 2000 seats at a theater overnight. It's kind of like the podcasters that have a quick, quick flip and they go to the comedy clubs on a Friday, but can't make nobody laugh or stay.

These kids go straight into 2000 seat rooms and then stand up there like I've never done a fucking show. I've never stood in front of anybody. Imagine getting a big tick tock hit joke, never doing a show in your life. It's showing up. You know what I mean? Or imagine it's even worse. They put you on an opening tour for somebody. They're like, we got an amphitheater act that'll let you be two of four. This'll be great.

And you're going out there looking at 6,000 people. You've never stood up in a bar. I'm watching it happen to people all the time. I'm having to grab these kids and kind of mentor them now. And it's the flip side of it where like, booking agents are dragging them to the slaughter. Of course, they just wanna make money. They don't give a fuck.

And here's the problem imagine Your kid you're 20 years old 22 years old. You've got a big successful record and you're going to meet booking agents You're excited. I've been there, you know, and the first one's like we're gonna put you right in 2,000 seat rooms You're gonna get $22,000 a night. You're like, whoa What a night and we're gonna do it three nights every weekend. Oh my god. I'm rich. I'm buying a corvette Immediately and then you go to the next book and agent are like now hear me out my plan is For you to go play these 200 cap rooms like the high-flying Indianapolis the end in Nashville We're gonna go do that for six months. We're gonna get like 40 shows under your belt

you'll get like 1300 bucks a night 1200 bucks a a night, and they're like, fuck you, the other guy just said, I'm getting $25,000 a night immediately. But this guy actually knows what he's doing. You know what I mean? This guy actually is doing it right, but he always, they go back to the money.

And then they end up having to circle back and they gotta re-figure it out anyway. I tell people all the time, you might be able to skip the line a little bit, but you can't cheat the game You know what I mean? You go ahead to put them hours in one way or the other about the same thing with fighters Mmm, you know I see fighters that come out and they compete in the UFC and like their first fight They look fantastic and they're fast-tracked and sometimes guys get broken because they they meet top flight competition before they're really ready They're really like an up and coming fighter

honing their skills and they run into a wily veteran who's like a top 15 guy and they get fucked up. And they're kinda never the same. Because they really shouldn't have been fighting that guy. Whereas boxing is a lot more clever. If they have a guy who's like a Terrence Crawford or someone's a really good fighter, they'll match them up correctly

until they can make the big money and until their skills are at a very very high level and then They start challenging for a world title Yeah, but they prepare them they get them they put them that the thing about the UFC is sometimes you just get thrown right to The wolves and if you're John Jones, that's fine. Yeah, you know, John Jones wins the title at 22 Yeah, you know, but most guys are not John Jones Yeah, most guys could be like an elite fighter, but the circumstances just Derail them before they ever get there. It burned them too early, man. Yeah, they burn them too early

You know and it's like what the perfect example of this in the UFC to me is one guy could be sugar Sean who went on to be that guy right immediately I know he just had his loss, but I mean he still looks like sugar to me You know that kid's tough and the other one could be that kid that we all love but I always confuse it was a Hooper or Hopper The 19 year old kid he had a sugar Sean kind of thing going I was a he was a contender series guy to super tooper that was yeah And to me that's kind of the tale of the same kid You know what I mean where it's like for sugar it kind of work, but he's I tell this what I tell my

Chase still has a shot. He's still super talented. He just had to really get better at striking Yeah, he's just young and has to get a lot better. He got a lot better at everything He's really good on the ground. Yeah, no the kid the kids great He also went up to 55 which I think was big because he was he was killing himself good Yeah, no, you could tell it was a big weight, because especially for such a kid, his frame's like, they're kids. I think we still haven't seen what Sean's real man body's going to look like yet completely. Well, Sean's 30.

Is he 30 now? Okay, so we see him. But they say it's 25 or 26 now before you actually see a full development. Well, you definitely see some of these guys that are coming in that are 22 that are still growing. They're still getting bigger. Like Ro Rosas Jr., he's 19 years old. And that kid's still growing.

Every time you see him he looks more muscular, more jacked, you know. He's still in his prime. I mean not even close to his prime. He's just still growing up. There's still, that's a, yeah, that's a, there's a growing thing that's, yeah I guess it's different too, man. I'm thinking about that kid like Chase is that getting put into that national spotlight at the biggest fighting organization in the world at 19. You know what I mean? And you're like...

Tevandre Sweat is the defensive end for the Tennessee Titans. I'm a huge Titans fan. He was our first round first round pick this year defensive end. I went to go hang out with him because I just think he's great. I think he's going to be a superstar. He's 22 years old. He's probably six, five, 300 and some pounds. And he can't grow a full beer jet. You know what I mean?

You know what I'm saying? Like he it's still it's patchy. You know, it is when you're in your early 20s, it's still patchy. And I'm looking like and I'm looking at Jeffrey Simmons who's our veteran defensive end who's six six just cut like a and I was like oh That's where you're gonna be at In four years three years, you know what I mean? Because we picked up Jeffrey Simmons as a rookie, too It's like even at 22 years old. They haven't fully

Developed in yet, right? No that dude. I'm looking at Devondre sweat right now and I'm like You still got a baby face like you baby face. You know what I mean? Look at Big Baby, look at Baby Face Sweat. You know what I mean? But you see this face of him right here? That's all you need to know about his personality. At Big Face, that's who he is as a human. He's the sweetest dude ever. But you can still tell by the look of his face. You know what I mean? That face is going to slim down and get a little more, you know. That's the craziest job. being a pro football player is the craziest job it's because you're literally in a car wreck every day

especially guys for their position they're in a car wreck every play yeah I think about this offensive lineman defensive lineman guaranteed full contact every snap hundred percent every time we snap the ball because like the ride receivers they're gonna hand fight Backfield they're gonna be some action but not full contact every play right every single play as soon as they say, huh? This two linemen are fucking collision course and And they're both hitting each other with the intention to try to knock the other one down first, right? The goal is like if I could hit you and knock you down and go right past you, after that

I just gotta fight my way around. And they're all 300 plus pounds of solid muscle. Huge. Full blown athletes their whole life been playing since they were eight. Colliding with each other. And that's the American sport. It's a totally, I mean in full speed. Any kind of crazy that that is the American sport?

I mean what other countries even played other than Canada? Who else plays football? Like American-style football? They don't even play it overseas. They don't even touch it. That was when Nate Bargassi hosted Saturday Night Live, not this time, but last year. He did that skit joke about it coming from the UK, and he was like, and we will have a sport named football.

And they were like, oh, where you'll kick a ball, they'll go, no. And they'll go oh where you'll kick a ball they'll go no and they'll go so you never kicked the ball they go sometimes it's so funny about trying to explain football to somebody not from here it's bizarre that we didn't call it a different thing mm-hmm they were calling it football and it was soccer and we just said no we're gonna change the name of that we're gonna call it soccer. Yeah, and this is football now. What are you talking about? It's the American way, dude Yeah, it's like hey, we don't care how y'all do temperature everywhere else Metric system is so much more efficient like You'll love that Nate skit there

because that's what he does he just kind of goes through trash and all these ideas the best part is Keenan looks at him at the new skit and goes what about my people will the slaves be freed after the war he said they will be freed after a war but not this one just second that was a good skit man it's really funny outside he's a funny dude. Another Nashville guy. Love him man. Big, big um.

Have you seen Theo speaking to Nashville guys? You seen Theo do his impression to you? Oh yeah, it's the fucking best, it's my favorite thing ever. Shelly, what will it every acceptance be? See if you can fight it, Jay. I want to thank the concrete lay. He did it with him and Joey D. I was a maitre d and a macaroni griff and now I'm a Grammy award winner. I'm gonna tell you to keep it. It's a simulation Joe.

Yeah I think it might be. I just couldn't believe that I'd be at a place where Theo Vaughan would one, be my buddy. He came to my LA show. It just made me so happy. I almost cried when I see him. I was so excited. But then to have him, you know, just fuck dude. I was um, I've said this a lot. There's a dream for an artist. There's nothing more pop culture than being brought up in a comedy special. Like if you was an artist back in the nothing more pop culture than being brought up in a comedy special. Like if you was an artist back in the old days and you got brought up on an HBO special,

you were on fucking fire. You could not be bigger. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I have those, that's to me is like those unreal moments when you watch a guy like Theo with his platform impersonating me to do a tee and we're friends too and it's just like I would have never even I never thought of winning award to give a speech or more or less that the speech would be so viral that a comedian would have a impression of it you know what I mean it's like it's the I don't know it's the greatest that's the greatest compliment you can be paid in

pop culture is if a comedian will burn on you a little bit that's hilarious that was perfect I'm still like that's my like the first time I get dropped in a special I'm gonna lose my shit. It's gonna remind me of little me watching HBO specials. You know what I mean? Well if someone's listening to this right now some comics probably gonna write a bit put you in there. Don't be mean. No just be funny. Just for fun. Yeah. Maybe it's Theo. Yeah right. Maybe Theo will do that in a special. Theo's such a sw- I'm trying to steal him from Nashville. Well listen, for what it's worth, I think the wife and I are on the way too. Really? Yeah. You know my wife was born in Houston. Oh, okay. She's always had Texas in her heart.

I went out on the river up here and it's just... I'm coming, bro. I'm telling you, man. I love it, dude. I just love the city. I love the space. Before I got here last night, just the few people that knew I was coming, I'd already got texts from my friends down here, from Kerry to Bruce to people that, you know, just... Just even my wife was like, you love it there. I was like, she loves Texas anyway, so she's all in we're talking about it That's beautiful. Yeah, well always be back and forth because Nashville's always Nashville to me. Are you friends of Gary Clark? Yes I love Gary Clark. Clark's a wizard. He's a wizard. That's something else I was talking to his man his manager's name scooter your met scooter

Yeah, scooters the best and I was like I think if I came down there we would get you know If I brought the culture the way I approach songwriting in Nashville here I think we could have a little paradigm shift down here, too. Why not? You know what I mean? That's good Musical mothership Let's go. I've told you this before drunk and I'm in it then I mean it now I'm going to come to you one day and you're not gonna surprise you I hope and I'm gonna with a concept about doing the mother

You just give me the right to call it the the music mothership in Nashville. I'll give you the right right now All right, cool for I got a plan man. Cuz what y'all do for comedy We have singer have you ever been to a writers round? No, Joe when you come to Nashville, please please come a little early Let me take you to a writer's round. Okay. You will have a ball. So what happens is the songwriters who are writing all these big hit records in town come, they go to these bars and they do writer's rounds. They'll set up three or four bar stools and every songwriter will have a guitar and they'll

sing a song they wrote and tell you the story about the song. And it's the coolest thing ever because it's a dude don't not being funny but a dude that looks like me if I wasn't me or a dude that looks like young Jamie and then he sings live like I'm dying by Tim McGraw and he tells the most heartfelt story about where he was at in his life when he wrote the song and how he came up with the concept for it and it's this beautiful thing and there's only one place in town that's really famous for it. It's called the Bluebird Cafe. They happen everywhere

and the first time I left the mothership I was like I'm doing this for music. I'm gonna create this same culture for our songwriters because what happens is if you can create a place where people feel safe they show up. Yeah. So what happens is because like I don't go to the Bluebird cafe a lot because it's a pain in the ass To get in and out of so if one of my friends calls like hey, I'm at the Bluebird It's a legendary spot and I love it. Like we come seeing something with me. It's like You know what I mean? There's no structure. It was you built your club for comedy

You knew that if the comedians were happy they would show the fuck up and then if you did everything you could to cater it to The comedians first that they would come and bring their best and the best comedians would be there Which means that people are gonna come see the best art, right? Same concept. I'm gonna try to do a music. It's my next move do let me open my bar first boba But now I'm a circle back about this. That's a great. I just want your right to call it I don't want no money. No do it. I just want to call it the music mothership It's a great and I'm gonna and we'll talk about the logo because I want to kind of do a music I want to be like a guitar version of the alien. You know what I'm saying? Do it. Do it up. Do it up

Imagine your little alien with a guitar, you know, I'm saying it called the music mothership Why not? Well the the idea behind it you could definitely apply to music Yeah, pretty kind of idea take the phone so we can you know what else what happens to I thought about this if I take The phones like y'all do Then it becomes a laboratory. Yeah, right cuz then it goes from like not only will I sing me the hit I just wrote How about I got a song Morgan Wallins finna put out next month that nobody's heard You see what I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's a safe place Morgan shows up to sing it Nobody's video and nobody's picture. People know it's a laboratory too and that's another exciting thing about it. Like when you go to the mothership, you go to that bottom of the barrel show.

That's a full laboratory show. My favorite show I've seen there. Nobody knows what the fuck it's gonna be about. You're just reaching into a barrel and pulling out suggestions. Yeah, that a bunch of people that are mothership fans wrote on paper. Yeah. It gets wild immediately. There wasn't a warm up question. It's automatically to the Brian Simpson is so good at it. Yeah, what's his show? But the reason why it's so good is because it's like a premise factory. Like you just get ignited by this thought that you didn't think of before that. Like in that moment, someone says something about fire trucks. And then you like, you something about fire trucks and then you like you know about fire truck and then all of a sudden

There's a bit right like all the sudden because of necessity because you're forced into the situation We're trying to like it's literally like you're calling on the muse on the stage and a lot of times It's nothing like seven out of ten times. You ain't got shit for that bit But every now and then you catch fire and that becomes like a bit Oh, you have have you ever had one birth into a bit? A bunch of them. I'll tell you which one's off stage or off camera, but a bunch of them, a bunch of them. Yeah. A bunch of them. Cause it's just like that, that, that little room too is like, so like you can't bullshit anybody in that little room.

No, I like it. It feels like we're all sitting Indian style together. Yeah. There's only a hundred people in there, I think, is when it's fully packed. Dave was the first person to go on stage there. Really? Yeah. Well, actually Shane first. Shane opened for, Gillis opened for Chappelle. We didn't even tell the audience who was going on stage. We just said it was a special, intimate show.

Show sold out like that. Nobody knew who it was. And then Gillis goes on stage, does 15 minutes, and he brings up Dave. And Dave did like an hour and a half and he just fully writes on stage like he had just done a special he fully writes on stage like he has ideas and he just like lets him breathe just fucks around on stage gets a little tipsy just fucks around on stage. Can I tell that you can cut this if you don't want to be tell it but my favorite story I tell about you is my time at the Comedy Club

with you was one of the first times I did this pot I think you had shows that night I went to both of them and the first one was killer but the second one you had gotten a little slippery and it was fun it was it was it was like because I remember right before you walked out there you even looked at me that's the word you said I felt a little slippery. It's just a little loose. You had your cup in your hand and I just seen a twinkle in you.

I was like, oh, I'm staying. Because I was gonna leave. I'd already seen the show, you know? And you did two shows, I was like, oh, I gotta see this. I think this was gonna be a little different. It was the fun ones. Yeah, it was fun, man. Cause I got to watch the same set,

but you fuck around a little more and kind of get lost in It sometimes just having fun with it Yeah You know like you could tell you were like you did the first one like this is what I know I got in the second When you had a couple cocktails like I'm gonna riff on this point a little bit just fuck off Sometimes when you do that you have the best part of the joke That's when you'll find probably the shit that closes it out. Mm-hmm There's sometimes like taglines just come to you in the moment and you're like wow

I never even thought of that one before you get straight off stage and write them down? No, I record all my sets. Oh, wow. So then after I'm done. I'll listen to the recording then I write Yeah, I sit down from the laptop and just actually sit down and put them out Does it help you to see your ideas like that? It helps me to expand on them because it takes longer to type of thought than it does to think it Right, so like I'm thinking a coffee cup, I'm thinking of it instantly but it takes a couple of seconds for me to write it and that gives me chances to like explore left, rights, down, up, all these different ways you can go with an

idea. So and then I'll usually like try to write it out like an essay form so if I have an idea and it's funny and it does really well and like bottom of the barrel or a riff out of nowhere then I take that idea and I just write out like an essay form. So if I have an idea and it's funny and it does really well on like bottom of the barrel or a riff out of nowhere, then I take that idea and I just write out like an essay. I'm not even trying to be funny. I just try to think about all the different angles of this idea and then I'll extract like little pieces of it and try these little pieces on stage. Wow. And then you go and test them and chew the meat and spit the. And then sometimes in the middle of it, like this sounds wrong. This sounds disingenuous. I'll take a totally different approach. Sometimes I

contradict myself like in the middle of it. I'll go, but what the fuck? Why would I think that I know the answer to that? And then that becomes the bit, right? Then it turns into a turn. Yeah. You never know man. And the whole thing is just numbers. You just got to put a lot of numbers in a lot of numbers in front of the computer numbers on stage It's just it's like this constant process of like building a mountain one layer of paint at a time Just constant time under pressure. Yeah, my my daughter. She wants to write she writes songs She's already so much better than I was at 16 But um she would come to me a couple

years ago and she'd be like, hey, I want to put some of this stuff out. I've been writing all this stuff. And I was torn because I was like, well, you should have the right to put out whatever you want. That's the freedom that exists. But I know something you don't know, that you just wrote your first 30 songs. And they're incredible for your first 30 songs. You know what I mean? Like, you go write a hundred and let's see if we can find five that are worth rewriting, reworking, re-figuring out. You know what I mean? And I was cool, it taught me a lot about her personality because she was like, I get it. She got it immediately. I wouldn't have got it at 15. You know what I mean's the beautiful thing about having an example, whether it's your peers or for her, your dad. You get to see an example of how someone does a process. Because if you're not around anybody that's trying to get good at something, you don't

really know how to do it. That's one of the cool things about a conversation like this, because there's people out there that are listening that don't have anybody around them that's doing cool shit right and they think it's impossible and they hear about this dude that was in jail for half his fucking life and you know this other dude who's a cage fighting comedian a cage fighting commentator and stand-up comedian like these fucking guys are not they're not normal either right like maybe I'm not normal maybe like this maybe there is something out there for me but I don't hear it from anybody in my neighborhood. I don't hear it from my parents.

I don't hear it from my teachers. I don't hear it from my boss. Right. And I'm fucking lost, you know? And then they hear people talk about like the love of writing songs that you have, the passion you have for creating a thing, how you piece it, how you jump up and write down the premise. You write down an idea for a lyric, and then in their head they're like, I can do that with

something. I can do that with something. I just have to find a thing. Just find a thing, man. My daddy, I sat down with him at a bar called the 10 Roof on the Mummeristry one night, Joe, and I looked my dad in the eye and I said, I said I'm done I said I've done everything I can I remember I was probably 29 years old probably a decade ago and I said dad I've been out of jail five years or four years whatever I've done everything I can in this business you know how hard I've worked do you think our brother Roger will give me a job on a meat truck because my father sold me so to my He said, I know your brother will give you a job on a meat truck but I want to give you some perspective. I said I'm open for a

healthy dose of that. He said you've only been out here trying this as hard as you possibly can for five years. Just five, four years, four and a five years. I said dad that's five years. He said if you went to Vanderbilt you still wouldn't have your bachelor's degree Joe it's true Right. It's so true. Yeah, it covered me and he said Jason if you're working as hard as you really is I know you are if you're really writing every day if you're doing shows every week and I was opening up 50 bucks a night I mean yeah you know my story is that old school get in the van and go do a thousand shows for fucking gas money you

know what I mean he's like if you're really doing that there's no way it's not gonna work if you're really doing it not you're faking it not your half-ass and if you're really this is all that matters to you if you were going to Vanderbilt right now And you did it for another five years. You'd finally be a brain surgeon He said if I was you had to wait and see if I was a brain surgeon I'll never forget and I'll never forget calling him crying the first time I moved into a neighborhood a surgeon You know what I mean, you know when you call like like you won't fucking believe I just met my neighbor.

Guess what he does? What? He's a fucking plastic surgeon. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. Yeah, that old man knew something though. But he just knew that the law of work would never work against us. You know what I mean?

Yeah, if you keep going, that's the thing we were talking about before about people bailing out. Yeah, that's it. It gets hard. You just gotta sit man. Yeah, it's hard. You just gotta sit man Yeah, you just gotta sit man. You just gotta sit You also got to recognize when you're making the right moves of the wrong moves you know with what you're doing and sometimes people don't want a course correct, they don't want a course correct and Then it could be a bad relationship

That one that one's tank more guys than anything. Yeah, I've seen and gals I've seen the bad relationship one that'll I've seen it. The bad relationship one, that'll tank you. No, that'll do it. Become everything in your life is that thing and then you have very little resources for your art. Cause your life is just a storm. There's a storm of confusion and chaos and fucking emotions every day.

And then trying to block it out to make the art. Exactly. If you can't allow it to be the muse for it. For me it was a little different because it became the muse The chaos that was happening around me just became I had a moment where and this is such a cool epiphany I had Joe For the longest time I thought I was special because I was from Antioch, Tennessee And I grew up in a certain kind of way around certain kind of people and that I was special because that was that I hung on to that like I'm different. And then I realized what was happening was I was

just like everybody else. That's what the superpower really was is that every fucking neighborhood in America is like Antioch almost. You know what I mean? So it was like a totally different thing. So I started realizing, oh, this isn't this is the muse I'm speaking for every man when I'm writing just the chaos that's happening around me right now this is the every man story isn't it crazy that everybody wants to be special mmm but every special person wants to be an everyman yeah I like being an everyman that's what I like being. Me too. Yeah. But when you're a kid, you want to be different. You want to pretend that you're

different than other people because that'll make success more attainable. You want to pretend that you have some special quality and ability that other people don't possess so that's why you can get to this bizarre position that everybody wants, where everybody in our business wants to be successful and famous. So you have to be bizarre. And then once you get there, you're like, oh shit, everybody's just the same. Everybody's the same. I got to make sure that I keep that. Make sure that I keep we're all the same. It was in my songwriting, I'm gonna say 2015-16 is I realized that I was trying to tell special stories and that God had put me in a situation, he was screaming at me to tell a story of a group of people

that had never had their story told, but I was just going out of my way to try to come up with a special story. You know what I mean? And then when I started being like, you know what, no, I'm just gonna write about my neighbor who's struggling with drug addiction. I'm just gonna write a song about my baby mother because I'm infuriated that she left our daughter high and dry like this because of drugs. You know what I mean?

Like I just started writing from that perspective. And then I realized that it was connecting with people because it was an every man story. You know what I mean? I almost called this album Cinderella Man, right? And I'll tell you why I didn't. But I thought, I watched the movie and I was like, I had a moment in that movie where, when he's walking, you've seen the movie, right?

Y'all have all seen the movie. He's walking in a, for those who haven't, it's about an old boxer who in the depression had kinda was on a losing streak, kinda long in the tooth. They called him James Prattick. They would call him a journeymanman is what we call him now. Just, it looked like it was never going to work out for him. Working, couldn't get a job on a loading dock almost.

Family split and bred, one of the greatest movies ever. Russell Crowe, right? Yep. And he comes out and towards the end he ends up fighting this championship fight and it's a crazy movie to watch. But when he's running, he goes by the old dock and they're all cheering for him. And I relate to this because this happened to me. And he didn't understand it. So he looks at his manager, you remember this scene? This is the scene that I related to the most. He looks at his manager and goes, why are they

cheering for me? He goes, because you're them. I was like, I'm the fucking Cinderella man. That's why this worked for me at 40. You know what I mean? And, uh, but I ended up calling it beautifully broken because as I started really writing, because that was my idea going into the project, I'm going to write the Cinderella Man story. And all I could think about was other people. Every time I'd pick up a pen, I would think about this young lady at a show who told me that Save Me helped her because she was raped by her uncle. Oh So I'm like, what do I write for her I

See winning streak I watch this moment I Gotta write that for him, you know now I might write some of them from first perspective But it changed everything and all of a sudden I was like This album ain't about me You know what I mean? Right this album is about finding beauty and broken things You know, yeah And instantly it was like once again how god works as soon as I took me out of it The album blossomed

Yeah Immediately I wrote a 80 songs that sucked just couldn't find my way to what story I was trying to tell. And just as soon as I was like, let's go back to where's the muse coming from? Who am I writing for? I say I'm the voice of the voiceless. When I had the opportunity to go talk about Fentanyl down at Capitol Hill, I didn't hesitate. I knew I was going to talk for a bunch of people that couldn't talk. You know what I mean? It's like who am I writing this for and dude it changed that whole writing style dog And then I got lost and wrote another 80. It brings now. I'm having fun. I got a direction I feel like I've heard from God. I'm Moses. You know what I'm saying the burning bushes spoke

I know what I'm supposed to be writing about, you know It took me eight to 16 months to get there But that's just how it works what you're saying too about taking yourself out of it? As soon as I took me out of it you know what I mean? As soon as I took me out of it it was that easy. Snap that fast. It's almost like a trap like that's the Your So Vain song. Yeah. It's like a trap like that trap of thinking about yourself you you waste so much of your resources. So much of your resources, like thinking about how you want to come off, how you want people

to react to it, how you want to like get out there and kill it in front of everybody. And you miss all the beautiful magic. All the magic. It's right there. Yeah. You know, and you're just missing, you just get lost in the art. And when you're at your best you are them You are one of them you like singing for them

You know when I'm at my best it's when I didn't know they were cheering I didn't know they were even cheering for me right because I'm one of them. You know what I mean? It's kind of like the yeah, it's that it's that same kind. Yeah, this album was the most fun I've ever had getting to an album. I learned so much about myself I think that's one of the things that people really dislike about stars. Like famous people, like people that you think of as stars that they somehow another think they're better than everybody else. That's the thing that people like dislike the most. Like oh they think they're better than us.

They live in Beverly Hills. They think they're better than us because they're a star. You ain't better than us. It's like when someone can do what you do and stay the same person and stay them just a better version of who you used to be but stay stay normal yeah and actually getting better every day because I'm doing the work yeah trying to be better you know I was telling the Titans when I went talk to him at the game I was like I focus and I don't focus on winning anything but life like I know that everything else is gonna be good as long as I'm focused on being a good father Like priority number one is like am I good husband what I've learned is if I'm winning as a husband and I'm winning as a father

I am fucking kicking ass in business. Yeah, the last one is home dramas. Yeah, you don't want no home drama It's crazy, but it's also that's something we talk about things that distracted people I was in so many bad relationships early or even times in my life I was single courting multiple women and that's such a distraction like when I got with my wife and fell of like to the point of being like I don't want to Spend time with any woman, but you when I have the time I have to spend I want to spend it with you And all my it's like my whole world suddenly went from feeling like it was this big to this big And when it got that small I was like, oh man, this is it. We're in a foxhole

And then I just started kicking ass outside You know what I'm saying? There's like life just starts winning. I'm like, oh dude, it's cuz I'm fucking winning at home It's also what you're saying too about your resources like you have so much more to give, you know, and everything's positive. A happy home life like feeds off your happy business life and your happy performing life. That's what we all want. You know, we all want a beautiful community of people that are like enjoying life and experiencing life together. Your family and your friends and the people you fuck around with. You just want a beautiful community of people having a good time. That's possible, but it's hard and that's why it's so wonderful when you get it because you know that there's a lot of people out there that are never

gonna get it. Man that's deep. That's probably the hardest part. It's a lot of work towards it too though man. A of a lot of sort of work on yourself Yeah, yeah a lot of lots of lots of work. That's a that's working relationships So just think about the arc that you've gone through from being a kid getting arrested as a kid Spending all that time in juvenile and jail and then getting free and then figuring out that you're talented and then Pursuing this crazy impossible dream, and to where you are now, it's nuts. Sitting on the biggest podcast in the world, my bubble.

It's an amazing story. I mean, it's an amazing, if it was in a movie, you'd have a hard time believing it. Like that movie's nuts. Nah, man. That's it, for sure. I'm telling you, dude, that little fat nerdy alien that's playing me on the game every day is fucking killing it.

He's killing it. My brother, I appreciate you very much. Yeah, I love you. I love you very much. That little fat nerdy alien that's playing me on the game every day is fucking killing it. He's killing it my brother I appreciate you very much. Yeah, I love you. I love you very much. I got a I got a put Jamie on blast where we go though Oh, that's right. Jamie we had a deal Me and Jamie had some cocktails one night I look at Jamie and we had a deal that if I ever played Ohio Stadium Joe Rogan the Jamie was gonna come out and play the guitar Jamie got any video of you playing guitar? Yeah

Yeah, I used to be in a band and played music on a stage and stuff. Sure. He definitely knew I had to talk him. But I know, do you have any video of you playing guitar? That we get sweat right now? Nah, it's odd, no. It's like, you wouldn't know it was me.

It's just loud heavy metal music. Yeah, will you pull up a Buckeye Country Fest then so you can show everybody the flyer of the concert you're gonna be playing next year? Oh my God. There it is baby, I see you there Jamie. Jamie, June 21st 2025 Ohio Stadium Columbus Ohio let's fucking go. Yeah fuck jelly roll y'all come to see young Jamie play that guitar. I love that Megan Maroney chick too. She's listen man she's awesome awesome dude.

Yeah my daughter turned me on to her. Yeah she's, she's, she is badass man. When she made her Opry debut she wore a jelly roll jacket and it tickled me so pink. It made me like the cool dad for my daughter because my daughter loves her too. That's amazing. Really cool. I love you Joe man. I love you too brother.

Thank you for your time brother. Beautifully Broken available now. Available now, go get it. Love you. Bye you for your time brother beautifully broken available now available now go get it