The Joe Rogan Experience - #2223 - Elon Musk

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

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The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. But if you want to sort of see like a vision of the future, it's like basically the top 20 and even the top 100 is like totally dominated by China. Really? Yeah, this is like China and a little bit of Korea and Taiwan. So you and are you in the top 20 in the world? Yeah, top 20 Wow in Diablo. Yeah. Yeah, do you want to tell everybody your handle? No, don't tell don't know it's not worth it. Well, I

They actually listed me with my actual name in the in the list. Oh, did they really? Oh interesting but Yeah, there's only there's only two Americans in the list. Oh, did they really? Yeah, yeah. Oh, interesting. But, yeah, there's only two Americans in the top 20. The rest, almost everyone is from Asia, otherwise. We were talking about something that I think is a really good, because people always think that video games are frivolous, but what you were saying, I think that's really important, is it's so difficult that it requires you to only think about that, and it can, like, relieve stress. Yeah. It can take out the rest of the world, because it's so hard. Yeah. that it requires you to only think about that and it can like relieve stress.

It can take out the rest of the world because it's so hard. You can only think about that. Yeah, I mean, finally, if I play a video game on extreme difficulty, then I have to concentrate fully on the game and it has a calming effect. It sort of chills down.

And I mean, you mentioned, I think, many people are like, if you play martial arts or you play pool, like something that forces you, it's like I think anything that forces you to concentrate fully actually has a calming effect. I find it just sort of like kind of a mental restoring effect. Yeah. It's like it's good. Jiu-Jitsu is like that. Archery is like that as well. Like when you're shooting a bow you have to is there's so many moving things And you're trying you have to think only of it and it cleans the mind. It cleans the mind. Yeah, exactly I was what I was reading this study about surgeons where they found that surgeons who regularly play video games make less errors

Well, it's I mean video games require manual dexterity Yeah, it makes sense completely make actually if somebody was like ever good video games I'd say like the surgical skills can be very good because in order to be good at video games any kind of fast reaction video Games look at this 32% fewer errors 24% faster and scored 26% Better overall than their non-player colleagues. Oh I believe that for sure. That's incredible. Well then.

You should be required in medical school to play video games. Don't you think? If somebody is like a top ranked video game player and they say they're a surgeon I'd be like plus one plus two type of thing. Oh top ranked for sure. But this isn't even top ranked. This is just people who play. Well your manual dexterity has to be extremely high. So you're looking at things on a screen,

you're reacting, and sometimes you've got like 10 milliseconds to react. And so if somebody's got incredible reaction times and manual dexterity, they're obviously going to be a good surgeon. Imagine if there was a course that you could take. That course would promote, you would be 26% better. Everyone would have to take that course would promote you would be 26% better Yeah, everyone would have to take that course sure why would you want a surgeon that's less prepared? You would say hey Bob. Did you take this course you didn't take this course Don't you understand this course makes you 26% better sure you would have to take it everyone should have to play video games Yeah, if you want to be a surgeon

Oh, I think it would certainly would be a very good test to see if somebody can't play video games well. That means because you've got to move both hands simultaneously. You've got to react to something very fast on the screen. And if your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever are wrong, then you lose the game. So if somebody has a good rank in video games, I would say that their manual, necessarily their manual dexterity must be extremely good.

Well, it's so hard. Their fine motor skills have to be excellent. If you think about Starcraft or any game like Quake, any game where a lot of people are playing, to rise to the top, you have to be exceptional, period, as a human being. There has to be something exceptional about you. Yeah, actually, if I'm not mistaken,

way back in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake players. I know, we talked about this. Yeah, actually, for the question of Quake, way back in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake flares. I know we talked about this. Yeah, yeah. I loved Quake. Yeah, yeah. My final semester in college, I probably put more time into Quake than all my college classes. When I was on news radio, all of the writers were super nerds. They were very, very fun guys. And they had a land set up at the studio where they all played Quake. I had never played video games. And I would go in with the writers and just kind of hang out with them. We'd get silly. And then we would all start playing video games and playing Quake against each other.

And I got addicted, like hardcore. I got a T1 line installed in my house. I went hardcore. Yeah, exactly. Checking how many milliseconds of latency. Oh, yeah. I was fully addicted. I was making my own computers.

I was going to Fry's Hard making my own computers, I was going to Fry's Hardware and buying motherboards and putting everything together. It was too much of a time suck though. I'm an obsessive person, I can't get involved. I can't play golf. No, golf is too slow for me. I mean, a lot of people find golf good. I mean, I guess if you think of it like it's, I guess if you're saying you're gonna walk outdoors with friends and occasionally hit a ball, then, and you're just, as an outdoor walk, then that's cool.

And does require concentration when hitting the ball, but it's, it's, it's too slow for me. Nothing compares to video games in terms of like the amount of feedback you get. Like the sensory overload you get when you're looking at a large high resolution screen, you have a fast computer, you have headphones on, then you're hearing sounds from here and sounds behind you and rockets are flying by you. There's nothing like that. But I think golf still is like, Jamie will tell you, Jamie's an addict, he's

a golf nut. It's super addictive and it takes like eight hours a day It's yes Once you get into golf, I think I can say sport. It gets super addictive so but but for me the Intensity intensity of video games is hard to beat. Yes, it's and People dismiss it because they think it's just a waste of time. But we're showing like real world benefits of people playing video games. Yeah. If you want to be a drone operator, it's the only game in town.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you have to be really good at video games. Yeah, for sure. So in fact, I can actually tell like what my mental acuity is if I just play, if I play a very hard video game. So if I'm trying to sort of get like an extremely good clear time in Diablo or something like that, or a first person shooter, whatever the case may be,

like if I can tell that I'm tired, or my brain's not working as well as it should, it's like a mental calibration, you can tell immediately, like how good is your mental state? Right, right. And, you know, so it's like, if you're trying to play really well, if you play late at night and you're tired,

you just play badly. Right. And you can say, okay, you may think that your brain is working well, but it isn't. Yeah. Because you play the video game and you're like, you suck. So, okay.

Yeah, you're putting it under stress. Yeah, you're really stress testing it. You stress test it and, cause like sometimes I was like, oh, I think I'm fine, but then play the game like, okay, I'm not, I'm like 10% below what I should be. That's how I feel about workouts for sure. Like that's how I knew I had COVID or I knew, everyone in my family had COVID

and I was trying to not get COVID. And so I was working out, I was like, something's up. Like I felt fine normally, but then during exercise I was like, okay, I can tell there's something wrong here. So let's just like back off, relax. Yeah. Yeah, it's like people who don't stress test their mind, they think they're operating on the same level

all the time, like sometimes I come in here and I can't form a fucking sentence and I don't know what it is. It's like, what is going on? So it's just like. Like sleep's not, maybe like what, sleep wasn't that good or something like that. Yeah, something like that.

Or I'm too busy and it's just, it's not, the words aren't coming out. Like I know how to talk, I talk professionally and I can't fucking talk. It's like. I mean, sleep is massive. I mean. Huge. Yeah, so if I can tell immediately,. I mean huge. Yeah, so

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does kind of recover from bad nights sleep a little bit you know it really helps creatine apparently does it yeah creatine is actually a nootropic believe it or not there's a lot of like benefits of creatine that are really weird are there any downsides no no it's a lot of like benefits of creatine that are really weird. Are there any downsides? No, no Natural part of food. Yeah. Yeah, especially women for women apparently especially postmen a palsy woman. It's very beneficial. Okay, and There's but there's a lot of like cognitive benefits and one of the big ones that they found recently is Performance when sleep deprived mental performance when sleep deprived increases pretty measurably when you supplement with creatine.

Is creatine naturally occurring in steak? Yeah, it's naturally occurring in meat, I think. I think that's where it's coming from. I think it's primarily an animal-based thing. Yeah, but. I did switch to steak and eggs for breakfast, and I found that's a power-up. Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, we's like a power-up. Oh, yeah

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're all overrun with carbohydrates Yeah, totally and you do like carbohydrates make this big crash the rise in the crash Rise in the crash you stay flat if you eat like a primarily high protein high fat diet Yeah, your body runs off ketosis. Yeah, I mean I so I just have like steak and eggs, no bread or anything. Yeah, it's great. And it's great, actually. It's a power-up, I'd say. People dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads, there's a lot of propaganda

that's put this thing out there that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to global warming. Yeah, it's rubbish. It's not true. It's bullshit. It's hot bullshit. It doesn't matter. Not only is it hot bullshit, but the real problem is factory farming Regenerative farming is carbon neutral if doesn't sequester carbon the the animals are not gonna make any difference to global warming

They can none. No, it's a zero zero zero. Is that nothing? Do you think that that's just propaganda because of people that have a vested interest in like plant-based meat products and things along those lines, green energy? I think that's part of it. You know, you're generally going to get people pushing to avoid meat. Like some people just, you know, maybe they've got a financial interest, maybe they're just like vegetarians or vegans or whatever. Ideological interests. Ideological reasons.

But it's not gonna make any difference To global warming or you know the co2 concentration atmosphere really if people eat fewer Steaks it doesn't matter. It's relevant irrelevant. I want to be super clear about that Yeah, and not matter you will not even be able to measure it. Okay, that's how irrelevant it is Isn't it funny that that's measurable that's a heretic speaking like that's crazy talk now nowadays It's like you have to say that we have to eat less meat no meat is bad. Oh, Lee As much for easy ones talking to make a difference sing it sing it tell the world yeah, absolutely And if somebody says it does make difference I'm like how will you measure it and if you can't even measure it then this bullshit

Yeah, yeah, literally won't be able to measure it Well, there's so much bullshit out there. First of all, thank you so much for buying Twitter. Thank you so much. I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history. I really do. I really think you made a fork in the road. We were headed down a path of censorship and of control of narratives that is unprecedented. Forget about what they were able to do back when they had newspapers and the media under control. What they were doing with social media by suppressing information and when you had a combined government effort like what they were doing with the laptop story. We have 51

former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation, take it effort, like what they were doing with the laptop story. We have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation, take it off offline, and Twitter complied. If you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that. We had no idea. Exactly. No, the reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned. I was like the most interacted with a user on Twitter before the acquisition. So before the acquisition, I had more interactions than then. There's some accounts like Obama and whatever had higher follower accounts.

But I had the most number of interactions of any account in the system. So I was very attuned to like, if they change the system, I can tell immediately. And I'm like, something weird is going on here. I just got increasingly uneasy. And obviously when they deplatformed a sitting president, deplatformed Trump, that was just insane.

And the things he was posting like he was posting things that like he was posting good things He was saying like hey that we don't do not Riot don't do any destruction of property, you know, please stay calm. That's the kind of stuff. Yeah posting. Yeah, and you're like What's wrong with that? That's and then then that sort of will say like oh, that's like some sort of dog whistle He means the opposite. I'm like, OK, so we'll give you Trump's account. Now you post what you think you should post because he can post nothing. He can ask people to calm down. Like what? It was insane.

Like it didn't make any sense. Well, it's completely illogical when you say it's dog whistling to tell his followers to not be violent. Yes. Crazy and crazy. That's crazy. Crazy. Don't you think they'll listen to him? Yeah. That's crazy. Yes, and crazy. That's crazy. Crazy. Don't you think they'll listen to him? Yeah.

Isn't that the whole point? They listened to him and created violence in the first place? That's what you think. Yes, exactly. That's what you're accusing him of. Right. And then there's the fact that we know that there was agents in the crowd that were agent provocateurs that were encouraging people to do illegal shit. We know that for a fact.

That was always the big Alex Jones type tin foil hat conspiracy theory. Because Alex proposed that back at the World Trade Organization protests, I believe we're in Seattle in the 90s, and they sent in agent provocateurs, started smashing things, lighting things on fire. Now all of a sudden a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful.

They move in the cops, they shut everything down. They had it set up where it was a no protest zone, where you couldn't even have a pin that had the WTO with a red line through it. They wouldn't let you go in through to go to work. So you couldn't exercise your First Amendment rights. You couldn't even have a peaceful protest, a fucking sticker on your car. You couldn't have that. it's crazy it's crazy so no I think we're we were very much in a fork in the road in destiny and you know so I mean there's like yet that the quarter acquisition was like it's like man if I don't do this I think we're screwed is the issue well if you didn't do it no one else was gonna do it because it

wasn't a financial winner it was kind of a crazy move. It's a crazy move. I mean the thing was way overpriced and You know like long term. I think we can ultimately make it a win for investors, but boy is this is a This is a hard way to make a living. Well. There's also a concerted effort to suppress it There's a concerted effort with the advertisers. We had, and still have, a massive advertiser boycott that was organized by a bunch of left-wing NGOs. I should have brought my, I have a hat, Make All World Fiction Again.

I've seen that hat. Yeah. I should have brought my make-all-well fiction ahead. But yeah I mean it's just totally totally nuts. So if you didn't do it no one would have and here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots. Elon's a bad business man Twitter is worth you know 400% less than when he bought it No, it wasn't worth that in the first place It wasn't within the first place it wasn't worth 44 billion dollars you fucking morons like wrong and also you're not taking into account

The advertiser boycott exactly that's total bullshit. Yeah exactly so there are these organizations Wait like you can tell is like they're like like when they have an Orwellian name So like that like the Center for Countering Digital Hate is a total scam organization, because they're like the Ministry of Truth type of thing in Orwell. They're a censorship organization. Yeah.

And they pushed the advertisers to boycott. So we still have, like some of the boycott is starting to lift and I think if Trump wins we'll see you know probably a lot most the boycott lift but if Kamala wins we'll see that boycott gets stronger and they'll freaking shut down. There's no way that that sort of Kamala regime would allow X to exist. You really think that they'll be able to shut it down though? Is there a pathway to that? Yes. What would they do? Well, I mean they can just they can stick the DOJ on you know and say like you know they've had this whole thing about like hate speech, misinformation, whatever, except

that they're the ones pushing the misinformation. That doesn't stop them from filing massive lawsuits and using the DOJ. I mean, like the DOJ has been attacking SpaceX, for example, for not hiring asylum seekers, even though it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of the US. So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. This is an example, just an example of what DOJ can do. So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen? SpaceX is considered an advanced weapons technology. So it's covered by international traffic and arms regulations because we make rocket technology that can be used against the United States.

So like if North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology, they could use that to launch nukes at America. Right. That would be bad. Yeah. That would be really bad. That would be really bad. So since we are in like the most extreme category of weapons

technology at SpaceX, under US ITAR law, it is illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident. Because the presumption is that if who's not a permanent resident because the presumption is that if they're not a permanent resident, they're gonna return to their home country and take the rocket technology with them. So that's... And so it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a...

Either has... Not a... They can have a green card or be a citizen. They just have to be a permanent resident of the United States. Then there's another law that says, if you discriminate against asylum seekers, you're also breaking the law. So the DOJ can only do a small number of big lawsuits

every year. Launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX, saying that SpaceX discriminated against asylum seekers. And we're like, but it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident. So we're in this, this is what I mean. It's like, oh well, the oh well situation is getting insane. Like, you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.

So you're damned. Can you imagine history looking back at when you watch the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize like this is like one of the greatest Accomplishments in the history of aerospace like it is one of the most wildest accomplishments When you watch that thing come and you see all those people cheering and it catches it perfectly like holy shit Imagine how history is gonna look back at the DOJ going after that company yeah how insane it is big lawsuit with an army of lawyers like this was not like some minor thing but doesn't even make any

sense logically like how could it even get brought to court if it's illegal that's exactly so that's what I mean like like like basically if the government wants to go after you they'll just find a reason. It's like that famous quote from Beria. You know, like, so like Stalin's, like, chief torturer, the head of Stalin's secret police, and he's like, chief torturer, truly evil human being, like this guy, Beria, his one of his famous quotes was, show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Right. They just, they just, they like, they decide that you're the target, and then'll show you the crime. Right. They just, they just, they like,

they decide that you're the target and then they figure out the crime afterwards. That's the issue. They decided SpaceX was the target. They just figured out the crime afterwards. Which is so crazy because that's exactly what they're saying Trump is going to do if he gets into office.

They're doing all the things that they accused Trump of doing. Yeah. Openly. Openly. Yeah. I I mean the sheer number of hoaxes that the Democratic Party is pushing over and over again They and it's like look I just not like politicians are gonna, you know exaggerate they're gonna Misspeak and they'll tell occasional, you know untruths, whatever that's that's how it is in politics But when you have deliberate concerted repeated And they'll tell occasional, you know, untruths, whatever. That's how it is in politics. But when you have deliberate, concerted, repeated pushing of hoaxes, you're like, wait a second.

Like, come on, man. This is too far. And you're supposed to be the good guys. You're supposed to? And you claim to be the good guys? I'm like, exactly. You're supposed to be the progressives. Yes. The Dems are like, oh, we're the good guys. We're the honest people. No, no, hang on. You can't claim to be the good guys You can't claim to be the honest people if you're deliberately post pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly Yeah, well, not like even Snopes, which is a liberal thing says it's bogus. Yeah, like the fine people

Obama just said that on stage. I just said that I was like what the flying fuck. He doesn't give a fuck He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck. They're just going for it. That's a flat out goddamn fucking lie. Flat out lie. Flat out fucking lie. How about the other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying about protecting women from illegal immigrants.

Thank you. Remember that? Yeah. What he was saying is, if the women like it or not, I'm going to do it. When he was saying that, they were trying to say that he was taking away women's right to choose Whether women like it or not like that's not what he was saying absolutely He was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous people that are sneaking in through the border Yes, exactly

They'll take like like not even a full sense like a half a sentence from gas and then and then I'll push it on Every ad every you know every speaking event And it gets repeated on the news. Yes. This is what's crazy. They'll talk about it on these new shows, quote new shows. Yeah, exactly. I mean a recent one that came up, which had a lot of people,

because a lot of people reached out to me, it was like, they're like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney. I'm like, that is utter bullshit. It's not what he said at all. It's not what he said at all. All he said was like, oh Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney. I'm like that is utter bullshit. What he said at all It's not what he said at all. He only said was like is that what he's saying is that look if Liz Cheney Actually had to fight at the front lines should think twice about going to war Exactly, but like it's easy to go. It's easy to go to war It's easy to be a warmonger if you don't have to risk dying at the front lines.

Like basically it's fucked up if people are having like fancy dinners in Washington DC while people are being slaughtered in trenches. You know, it's like you're not feeling the pain. Exactly. You're not taking the risk, it's someone else dying. That's like, that's cruel and lacking in empathy and and all Trump was saying was that it's like Liz Cheney would be much Liz Cheney would be much less of a warmonger because she's a huge warmonger just like her dad if she actually had to go to the front lines and fight herself.

And meanwhile they're saying that he should he's saying she should be shot. Yes which is a total lie. But I had tons of people call me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's going to put Liz Trane in a firing squad. That is an outrageous lie. And Legacy Media ran with that lie, big time. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just wild to see.

And if it wasn't for Twitter or X now, I don't think we would know about all this stuff. I think it would be very difficult for you. I think YouTube throttled they did something weird They won't say what they did, but they did something weird with the Trump interview that I did Yeah, we couldn't find it. It doesn't make sense like like made no sense I mean, it's like the big it was like the biggest interview on earth. Yeah, you can't find it Yeah, not only that it was like trending bull shit. It wasn't trending It wasn't it wasn't trending. Bullshit. It wasn't trending. It wasn't trending.

No, it wasn't trending. You're like, like there's just no excuse for that, man. No excuse. There's no excuse. It was getting a million views, one point, what was it, one point four an hour at one point in time? One point five. One point five an hour.

Yeah. And it wasn't trending. Yeah. And it's like your channel is a known channel. It's not like it was started yesterday. It's like. Yeah. And it's like your channel is a known channel. It's not like it was started yesterday. It's like, this is a high trust, yours is a high trust channel. It's like you're not trying to sell scam crypto coins or something. Well thank God we put it on X as well. Because I think just with your account and my account alone it's like 70 million views. Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. Well it's like you can views. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Well, it's like you can't hide things anymore because of you. And if it wasn't for you, I think they would have had total control of social media by now. Yeah, that's true. They banned so many accounts during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors and physicians. They banned so many conspiracy theorists, so many people that colored outside the lines.

They would have done that everywhere and it probably would have I think even at what's going on at Facebook They're they're being more lenient. You know here Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance. That's entirely Reaction to the way Twitter has kind of moved the watermark exactly. So As soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful to not censor because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious. Yes. And the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, like if somebody, if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material. You know, if somebody thinks, you know, Trump said that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad, I'm like,

let me send you a link to X so you can watch his video. That's the best way. Don't take my opinion for it. Don't take anyone's opinion for it. Go to the source material. And community notes. Yes, and community notes is awesome. Go to the source material. And Community Notes. Yes, and Community Notes is awesome. Community Notes is the best. It's awesome. It's incredible. Yeah.

Because everybody gets checked. Yes, including me. Yeah. And with Community Notes, all the software is open source and all the data is open source. So you can recreate any given note independently. That's amazing. Yeah.

That's how it should be. It's total absolute transparency in every way. You know, sometimes I get asked like, oh, Yalan, can you remove a note? You know, mostly by the left, but sometimes by the right. I'm like, I don't even remove notes on my own account. Nothing. And by the way, everything is totally open. So if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb immediately. Like

it's not gonna be subtle. That is the best counter to misinformation. Yes, absolutely. Like let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's what the actual facts say. Yes, exactly. The counter to misinformation is better information. Not just that, but having it checked in real time by the community. So you have millions of people that can go over it and debate whether or not this is true or that's true. Yes and just like I said the best way to understand the truth of things is don't take anyone's opinion for it look at the source material. You know so it's like look at what someone actually said look at what someone actually did look at the real videos of the situation and then you can actually you'll know what's real. So as of today when you were a little it on your way here

You sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail. Yeah, it's a vein. Yeah. Tell me What the fuck is happening? Well, you know, there's the classic sort of a source da situation So we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania So, you know, I've been given a whole bunch of talks throughout the state because Pennsylvania is the linchpin in this election. You know, whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election. So, I've been giving talks. I spent three years in Pennsylvania. I went to college in Philadelphia. So, it's not like I'm not a total stranger to the state. You know, I spent three years there. I'm not like a total stranger to the state, you know, I spent three years there. And we've organized this petition in support of the Constitution, which I think is a good

thing and specifically asking people to, and we wanted this to be like registered voters in swing states. Like basically, we want to send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the Constitution, because there have been all these attacks on the Constitution. Especially on the Democrat side, they've been repeatedly saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle.

And they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is enabling disinformation, misinformation. And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment. Like, freedom of speech, the reason they found the country put the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the First Amendment exists.

And the Second Amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government. The second amendment, the right to bear arms, is there to protect freedom of speech. You know. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Did you know that joerogen.com is powered by Squarespace? Well, it is.

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that we will never have a tyrannical government in the United States? Can you make that guarantee? They're like, well, nobody can make that guarantee. I'm like, then we need to keep our guns. Because that's what's going to stop it. That sounds crazy for people to hear, because they think about gun violence, and gun problems, and gun this, and gun that.

But that's the reality of the world that we live in, is that tyranny is possible. And it exists other places. And it's slowly existing. It's slowly rearing its head in the UK. You're saying, I think the number of people that have been arrested for just social media posts is bananas. It's in the thousands. Yes. Several thousand people have been given prison sentences in the UK for social media

posts where there was no explicit link to actual violence. But they just said it encouraged violence. Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that? Media posts will know. But they just and then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK. So they're quite literally releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts. That's an actual thing happening in Britain.

That is so wild. Like it's, you're like, what the fuck is going on? And what's insane to me is that- Make all fiction a game. Yeah, but it's all being encouraged by the left. Ketanji Brown Jackson, John Kerry, Harry Clinton. John Kerry was one of the people who said that, he's on camera like a few weeks ago saying

that the First Amendment is an obstacle to fighting misinformation. Yeah. That's crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes. You have a solution in some way that could clear everything up and you can use it within a day or two. And even without a community note, you can reply to a post with evidence that shows that the post is wrong.

You don't even need community notes. I mean, community notes is helpful because it sticks to the original note. But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong, here are the reasons, and here's the evidence. But the argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're not going to research these things. They're going to be a victim of misinformation. So they're going to read something that's incorrect. They're going to run with it. People are going to be a victim of misinformation. So they're going to read something that's incorrect. They're going to run with it.

People are going to die. People are going to ruin the world because people believed in misinformation. It's a stupid argument. It's a stupid argument. Because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong. If you know, because you're saying it's misinformation, why

do you think that you're smarter than everybody who reads that? Exactly. Obviously, anyone on the X system knows that things are posted, and then there are replies, and there are rebuttals, and it's immediately corrected. But where are the corrections for the legacy media? Right. You know, when if some broadcast media,

they say false things all the time. But it's a one-way street. There's no rebuttal. There's no counter. Right. Right. Who's apologized for being incorrect about what did Rachel Maddow ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine you're never gonna get

COVID it won't the virus stops with you never never no one ever it's just it was not true at the time there was no evidence to support it at the time it's pure propaganda and she said it the Russia gate hoax the three fucking years They said that he was Putin's toy. Yes, and that Putin had him compromised the steel dossier was completely fabricated Yeah, a lawyer at Perkins Coy Who was paid by the Clinton campaign? Literally crazy and still people think the Russia hoax is real and there's no repercussions Yes, no one had to apologize

Hillary Clinton never came out and apologized for that. And people still listen to her. The whole thing is crazy. And it's all coming from the left, which, growing up as a person who was in the left my whole life, it doesn't make any fucking sense. Same. I mean, I even was on the left until like three years ago.

It's not the left anymore. It's not the left anymore. It's not the left anymore. It's just like, I think we obviously want, I mean, I believe it's like we want freedom. Like we want to maximize personal liberty. I think we want to be kind to people. You know, we want to have empathy. And, but it's very important to have empathy.

But it's very important to have personal freedom and a merit-based society. And the left wants to oppress your freedoms, especially freedom of speech. And they want to have a non-merit-based society with race-based and sex-based preferences. And it's like, well, wait a second. No, we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work. And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not

doing the will of the people. And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they want to do things that people don't want them to do. And they want to silence opposition. That's all it is. And the fact that people can't see that and they want to call Trump a fascist It's the whole thing is through the looking glass I mean, it's like one hoax after another that they're perpetrating against Trump I mean like they try to call the rally at Madison Square Garden is like a Nazi rally I'm like, yo, there was like literally an Israeli flag in the audience

I think like a quarter of the speakers were Jewish like there was like there were people of every race color creed religion at that at that Rally like tell me what about that is Nazi And yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally MSNBC They literally showed video of the Nazi rally from 1930s and then compared it to the Trump rally now ignoring the fact that Fucking Jimmy Carter spoke there. There have been dozens of political rallies at Madison Square Garden, dozens on the Democrat side. Like, people on X were like, and here's exactly, here's Jimmy Carter, and here's Bill Clinton, and here's, wait a second, actually it looks like every presidential candidate has done

a, on the Democrat side, has done a rally at Madison Square Garden, are they Nazis too? But what they're doing is they're preying on low-information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media, who don't have the time to look through everything. Exactly. Yeah. Like, people are living, if people are just on looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different worldview than if they're on X and seeing the actual flow of argument and the actual evidence.

Well what was the pushback? What happened when you guys released the Twitter files? Because I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and on discourse. Because when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual. They did the same thing to Facebook. They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show.

They suppressed the views by 50 percent of factual information. Yeah, no, there was massive government interference in Twitter. But Twitter welcomed it. That's important. All Twitter welcomed it. All Twitter was controlled by far-left activists. Yeah. So and they welcomed the government interference. They got paid by the government for it. That's crazy. They got paid for their time, correct? Yeah, they got paid millions of dollars for suppressing information. So it's like billed time. And a bunch of it was like, without our legal. Like the FBI had this like, this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system.

And, but all of the communication in that sort of, in this portal was auto-deleted after two weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws. So we didn't even know what was said, because it was all deleted after two weeks. That's insane. Yeah. That's so crazy.

It's so crazy that people thought that was okay. It's not super not okay. No, it's super not okay. It's unconstitutional and no one would want that. No one would want the government to have that kind of access. Exactly. And what was the blowback like when all that stuff got released? Like you had to anticipate that there was going to be problems when you released that.

Like what happened? Well, we got a lot of, we did lose a lot of advertising dollars. Which is crazy because it's essentially like one of the most important forms of journalism is exposing government corruption. Yes. I mean, this is the weird thing. It's like the left used to be big on exposing government corruption, but once they control the government they no longer want to expose the government corruption. Right, they want to pretend

that the left-wing government's incapable of corruption because we're on the good side. I think it may be just like, you know, whoever's in power kind of doesn't want the you know, the other side hurt Because as you pointed out like the left Historically it up until I don't know maybe even ten years ago something like that Was the free speech party and now it's the anti free speech party and they just they use they use words like Like oh well, we have to be against hate speech and misinformation disinformation But these are propaganda words, you know, it's like Well, who's defining hate speech who's defining misinformation the government. Do you really trust the government to make that definition?

The whole point of the of the First Amendment is like, do not trust the government. Well, especially when they're wrong. Yes, there's lies. And there's no repercussions. Yes. Like with the whole lab leak theory, you would get kicked off of YouTube if you even presented this argument that,

hey, maybe that coronavirus lab where they're doing work on the exact same virus that got released, hey, maybe that's where it came from since that's where the virus started. What do you think, guys? Yeah. Did it kick you right off of YouTube? Yeah. Um, yes, exactly.

It's like, do you think maybe the... it could have come from a place called the Novel Coronavirus Research Institute in Bruneau? Yeah, like that Jon Stewart bit that he did on Colbert? That was amazing. It's like, what does it say on the door again? Can I see your business card? And to see Colbert like resisting with every fiber of his being. What's going to happen to us?

He was totally cock blocking the bit to the point where Jon Stewart got off his chair and started walking around trying to take control. Yeah. And then the left tried to cancel Jon Stewart. Of course. Meanwhile, he was right. He then the left try to cancel John Stewart. Of course. Meanwhile, he was right. He was right. And no apologies, no apologies.

Yeah, and you know, the whole Fauci thing, like any criticism of Fauci, it's like anti-science. Fauci's a freaking demon if you ask me. If you read RFK's book, the real Anthony Fauci, if that's correct, if the facts are in there that's true, it's all referenced, you could find the sources, and on top of it, he's never been sued for that book, which doesn't make any sense. If he just made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued.

So the guy's a monster. I think so. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think just looking at the lies that he told, the way he tried to define gain of function research to Rand Paul. I think maybe a lot of people out there don't realize Fauci funded the bioweapons research

that was going on in Wuhan. He bankshotted off... He can't send the money directly to China, so he just bankshotted off EcoHealth, this fake non-profit in the US, and they sent it to Wuhan. Obama put the skids on that. He stopped that in 2014. Yes. I mean, so to throw Obama, give Obama some credit, he actually was looking at this and saying, hey, this is crazy.

And so he actually did stop the so-called gain of function, again, a propaganda word. Because what is the function they're talking about? Death. Right, right. Okay. Right. So if you actually use the right word,

this is gain of function is death maximization. Right. Then you're like, oh, oh, hey guys, should we fund bio-weapon research into death maximization? Because that's what gain of function means Yeah, it means the function making a disease so that people can get it give it to people Yeah, and by the way, what's that function again? Oh the function is death Oh, okay So just call it a death maximizing virus if you're that's doing research on that and the idea behind this research is so that we can

Cure these things. How come you don't have a fucking cure? so that we can cure these things. How come you don't have a fucking cure? Yeah, start with a cure. Cure first, disease second. It doesn't make any sense. Like you guys had no strategy for dealing with it if it got out. And so you have to like make up this new vaccine

in like record time, operation warp speed, release it to the people with very little testing. It's fucking crazy. It was crazy. The whole thing's crazy. And everybody just went along with it. Looney Tunes next level. Well, the Psi-Op was fascinating

to watch people step in line. That's like one of the biggest Psi-Ops of all time. Of all time. Of all time. Of all time. And everybody got in line and when you take it back to when pharmaceutical drug companies

were able to advertise on media in the 1990s, that changed everything. We're one of two countries in the whole world that allows this. And because of that, because we don't have socialized medicine, it's a complete profit scam. And they went hard, claiming all sorts of things that were never researched, all sorts of things

that are not supported by data. Like the fact that it would stop transmission, the fact that it would stop infection, the fact that it was safe for pregnant women, the fact that it was safe for the fact that it would stop infection The fact that was safe for pregnant women the fact that it was safe for children all of its bullshit Yes, and they pushed it on the whole world And if you didn't say that at a cocktail party you were a pariah yes, and you were an anti-vaxxer It was totally psycho. It was like being a Holocaust denier you get kicked out of polite society exactly Bananas and I should say like I'm actually generally pro-vaccine overall

You know, I think we should look at these things But that but I believe in the scientific method. Yeah, so so you never blanket accept anything You never blanket accept that any any given medication or any given treatment is is is 100% good You should always be with some skepticism Especially when you're getting the data from pharmaceutical drug companies that have like a long history of criminal conduct. Maybe they've got a vested interest. Yes, they've got a vested interest in the research.

It's sort of like asking tobacco companies about, you know, whether smoking is dangerous. It's exactly the same thing. According to our scientists, everything's fine. They lied in court forever. The same thing they did with OxyCin when they said that it wasn't addictive. Like, they have a long history of being full of shit if it makes them money. And that's what they do. That's their business.

They've literally lost multi-billion dollar lawsuits in this. Massive. Massive. You have amazing scientists, right? You have these clinical researchers, these people that develop these incredible drugs, and they, this is their job their job is to figure out some new way to cure something Yeah, new way to stop thing and then you have the money people sure and the problem is when you have this one thing that You would assume they're only doing it to help people and then they have this other

faction that they're all just numbers people and all they give a fuck about is maximizing profits And making sure they literally have An obligation to their shareholders you have to make the most amount of money possible And so they just want to push it on everybody regard like the Vioxx scandal There's internal emails showing they knew there was going to be cardiovascular events people were going to get strokes Yeah, and they're like I think we're still going to do well. And they did. They made like $12 billion, they got fined seven,

and 50 to 60 thousand people died. Holy shit. Yeah, one of them was a friend of mine got a stroke. And died? No, he didn't die, he lived, but he was a really healthy guy, he was an athlete. He was like not the same actor as us. He had knee problems, and he took Vioxx,

and all of a sudden he was slurring his words, and he couldn't concentrate, and people were like, I think you're having a fucking stroke and they took him to the hospital and then you have this giant class action lawsuit and then Vioxx gets pulled from the market and they get sued and the whole thing is fucking crazy but there's a long history of this. I think, what is the number, like one third of the drugs that the FDA approves gets pulled? It's fucking bananas. That's crazy.

That's crazy. You're shitty at one-third of the things that you say are okay, but yet you're trying to stop MDMA therapy for veterans? Yeah, that should let MDMA through, honestly. That think that would actually help a lot of people. It would help a lot of people. It would help a lot of people.

There's a lot of different therapies, specifically psilocybin, Ibogaine. The fact that you have to go to Mexico to get Ibogaine therapy for veterans. So many guys I've talked to have gone over there and it's like completely given them a clean slate, refreshed their mind, and totally new perspective on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions, illegal.

Illegal. Oxycontin, go get it. Yeah. And I know some people who, like, their life was ruined by oxycontin. Oh, yeah. Because, I mean, it really depends on somebody's individual biochemistry. Like, to me, like, opioids are not addictive to me. Like, I've had them when I've had operations or something,

and they barely affect my pain level and they make me like itchy and uncomfortable. They make me stupid. Exactly. But I'm like, so like, like I could never get addicted to alcohol or opioids. It's just impossible. Like, because my biochemistry just does not have like no, but I love tasty food feel like you know, yeah You know if there's I'm addicted to tasty food. Sure

But like things that can be like I have a whole wall of alcohol. It's there for decoration Yeah, I feel the same way I could easily quit alcohol Yeah, I mean I'll go weeks without having a drink and doesn't bother me at all But I know some people they have one drink and they're off to the races, and that's the biochemical differences that we all have. I think that's the case with a lot of addictions. I'm not addicted to gambling, but I get it. I see it. I've seen it in people.

But I have this aversion to things that I know are going to ruin my life. That's why I've never tried cocaine. I just saw too many people. It looks too fun. I'm like, I don't want to get involved Yeah, I mean, I mean I think generally for any given drug legal or illegal you could the question is Can you complete the following sentence blank made me a better person? Like I've never heard anyone say meth made them a better person or cocaine made them a better person no ever

Made a lot of soldiers better, I think. Yeah, if you're doing, if you're like, if your soldiers need to march for three days in a row. Yeah, it's really good for that. Meth is effective at that, you know. You know, people give France a hard time capitulating in World War II. But you know what's worse than the Nazis? Nazis on meth. Meth on Nazis. They're not stopping.

Norman Oller wrote this book. They have like six bullets. They're still coming. That book over there, Blitzed, is all about the use of methamphetamines and the different drugs that they gave their soldiers. The guys at the front of the line, they give the most meth. They have different dosages.

Yeah. I mean, you just basically think you're unvulnerable on meth. And so it's one thing, like I said, so one thing, you know, have like the Nazis coming after you, but Nazis on meth, you're like, holy shit, those fuckers are not stopping me. For three days. They're not stopping.

It's so crazy. Yeah, that's not a statement, meth made me a better person, that you hear very often. I've never heard that before. No, you hear a lot of psilocybin advocates. You hear a lot of people that talk about psychedelics. Exactly, I've actually heard many people say that LSD or mushrooms or MDMA made them a better person.

Many people. So that's why I'm like, I think a rule for the FDA should be like, hey look, if you can complete the sentence, legal or illegal, that blank made you a better person, actually, then you got a good drug. And if you can't, you got a bad drug. Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that can absolutely ruin people's lives,

the rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives, but also can help a lot ruin people's lives. The rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives, but also can help a lot of people's lives, it doesn't make any sense. It's basically the same thing as censorship. You're taking away people's ability to discern what's true and not true, and you're taking away people's ability to discern

what's good for you and not good for you. And the way to find that out is to have as much information as possible. So to do research, and is to have as much information as possible. Exactly. So to do research and actually to have unbiased actual objective observers who are looking at all this stuff to give you real data. And the opposite of that or the counter is like if you don't do that, you're empowering cartels.

That's the whole reason why they have all that money. It's because it's illegal to sell these drugs in America. The demand is never going away. So instead of limiting the amount of drugs, now you've got toxic drugs, because fentanyl and all this other shit, because they're not pure. So you're just killing people.

You're not saving anybody by protecting them from themselves. But it's a tricky situation, because what do you do? Like if you just like say, okay, now everyone can sell, all these people that have been selling boner pills, now you can sell meth. Like holy shit. You get the double combo with the Viagra, it's a Viagra and a meth.

Jesus Christ. Oh my God. Oh my God. Well, I mean, how many people are already doing that right now with Adderall and Viagra? a Meth. Right. Jesus Christ. Oh my God. Oh my God. Well, I mean, how many people are already doing that right now with Adderall and Viagra? No, a bunch of people are doing that. Yeah. Yeah.

There's a lot of people out there that are essentially on Meth. Especially people that abuse Adderall. They're basically amphetamined up all day long. Adderall is low-grade amphetamine. Yeah. low-grade inphetamine. I have actually seen people become much worse people if they take too much Adderall, like much worse. It's like an anger amplifier. Adderall is something like where there are pluses and minuses. It's not a clear-cut issue. It does help some people a great deal.

But in higher doses, man, that stuff, I've seen people turn into raging monsters on high doses of Adderall. Just, they're just angry, like extremely angry, all the time. Yeah, they're messed up. Yeah, that's what happens if you take meth. It's crazy. You turn it, like meth turns you into a friggin rage demon and so many prescriptions

I'm like We googled it like one year. There was like 39 million prescriptions for Adderall in this country. Oh Yeah, and like once in a while. There's like an Adderall shortage and like there's like watch widespread panic, you know Then it's the same thing It's like when they tried to like limit the amount of Oxycontin. Well, people go to street heroin. And if you're addicted to Adderall and your dealer, the guy who sells you weed, is like, hey, man,

I can get you low-grade meth, like the stuff the Nazis took. Well, they had high-grade meth. Actually, they had pharmaceutical grade. They had Epic Meth. It was made by the, like, pharmaceutical-grade meth is going to be, like, this, this, I mean, I mean, if you just look at the freaking online Wikipedia page, but there's many different versions of meth,

like, not all the same. And they have different effects. So, but like, pharmaceutical-grade pure meth, you are going to be, oh my god, super productive, super productive for a certain period of time and you're not going to sleep for a while and then you will have some anger management issues. So like they actually, the Nazis, they did actually roll back how much meth they were using because they had quite a few incidents of the of the soldiers killing their officers

Because they were on too much meth Jesus Christ Yeah That to me officer got fragged by the by the you know, the platoon that was on too much meth because they That happened quite a few times. Like you just, when someone's on a lot of meth, they're, they're very, they can get very angry. Did you ever pay attention to when John McAfee was cooking meth in a lab in his backyard?

I mean McAfee's quite a character. He was a character. Character, man. We had him on the podcast when he was on the run. So he called in from an undisclosed location when he was running from, where was he, Costa Rica? Is that where he was? Belize.

Belize, right. So when he was running from the authorities, he called in, we had him on the podcast on the run. And I was asking him about these posts, like, because there was an online account that was linked to him where he had this very detailed laboratory, like super sophisticated, making the best meth. Like a super genius cook and meth. I mean, I talked to actually a reporter who went down and interviewed him in Belize.

And the reporter said, man, that's one of the scariest things. He was quite terrified. So one of the things that McAfee, he had, I guess, this trick where he would play a Russian roulette with himself. So he'd put a bullet in the revolver and then spin the chamber. And clearly he had some trick to know that it was not, there's some way that he knows

it's not the right bullet. But I do wonder if McAfee is high and he does that, he's not always going to get the trick right. You sure he had a trick? Or maybe he's just... Yeah. So according to this reporter, when he went to visit McAfee in Belize, McAfee took out the revolver, put a bullet in the revolver, spun the chamber, and then pointed at his head and went click.

And the reporter's like saying, please don't do this. Like, this is insane. Click, click, click, and then pointed the gun at the ground. And Nix went click bang and shot a bullet in the ground. Jesus. That's a hell of a party trick. Jesus. That's the next level of party trick.

That's the guy who's seen the deer hunter too many times. Remember that scene? When they were forcing? Yes. Yeah. Woo. That's a heavy scene. That's a heavy scene.

De Niro and Christopher Walken. That's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever. I remember watching that scene just like clawing at my pants like, ah! McAfee was a wild boy. Wild. And created brilliant antivirus software. Yeah, yeah.

He may have made some of the viruses too. You think so? Well didn't he like give laptops to a bunch of government organizations with viruses on them? Yeah So that he could like pay attention to what they were doing. Yeah. Yeah. I Wouldn't be surprised somebody whack that guy. I don't know what happened to him But I he would be a guy that would be like this guy is a little bit too loose And probably had sensitive information. I don't know for sure he did. I mean I found out to be an interesting guy. I mean

like I'm generally like Feel like like if somebody's not harming someone else they should be okay now now There is some Suggestion that McAfee like killed his neighbor in Belize. Yeah Probably did I think he probably did seems like he probably did seem like the neighbors killed his dog Yes, right, and then it seems like he killed the neighbor. Yeah, allegedly yeah, I mean it seems it seems likely It's not a zero possibility. It's not definitely not zero

It's a messed up wild man playing Russian roulette. Hey, maybe you kill your fucking neighbor. Yes I mean if somebody killed your dog, you'd be really inclined to kill them, too Yeah, somebody killed your squirrel. Yeah, John John wick. Yeah, the fucking squirrel thing is Bananas. Yeah, that's what I think is one thing so the other thing about the the whole squirrel thing is is that How can it be that we live in America? supposedly land of the free and the You know the government can barge

into your home with guns, so if you resist you're going to get shot, and then take your pets and execute them? And if they can do that to your pets, what do you think they can do to you? It's not an exaggeration. Absolutely. It sounds like you're all that's so crazy. How can you make that connection? But why would you kill that cute little squirrel that was obviously a pet and trained from the time it was a baby? If you see the interaction that guy has with that squirrel, it was wonderful. It was really cute. Yes, absolutely. It was just obviously it was a blood pet squirrel and raccoon too.

And doing no harm and the government comes in barges into the guy's house, takes his pets and kills them. You know, I think this should really get people out there mobilized frankly because you know because you say that like the John Wick movie, where John Wick's like, he just wants peace in the John Wick movie. He's like, listen, I want to retire.

They offer him tons of money because they want him to be an assassin, to keep being an assassin. They offer him tons of money. They threaten him. He's like, listen, I'm not gonna be, I'm out, you know? And they kill his dog. That was a bad idea. That was a really...

They kill a cute little puppy, and the puppy was his ex-wife's gift to him when she died of cancer. Yeah. Great movie. Great movie. The best revenge movie of all time. Because it's so ridiculous, He kills everybody it kills everyone

You're rooting for him. Yeah They shouldn't have killed his dog. Yeah, they fucked up and they shouldn't kill that squirrel. They shouldn't kill that fucking that squirrel. I mean It's like how many How many cases are we not heard about you know? How many cases have we not heard about you know? Oh little guy That squirrel clearly had a love relationship with that guy He would hop all over him and climb on him

I mean it was that was his pet that squirrel thought of that man as his protector as his Companion yes, there was nothing wrong with that and in Texas. It's totally legal You can have a fucking zebra out here You can have whatever you want and that's the argument for freedom And you know the flip side is you get a bunch of people with tigers in their backyard, which is great This was a fucking squirrel. It's not it's not an anaconda or a right or you know you know crocodile or Chimpanzee did you see chimp crazy? Oh, man Chips chips chips of chips will eat your face. They will fuck you up

Oh fuck you don't even the thing is they don't even kill you they just cripple you chimps don't even kill people Yeah, which is really weird. They just bite your hands off and bite your dick off and tear your face apart Yes, they want to leave you They could kill you easily if a chimp want to just punch you in the head until you're dead, it wouldn't take long, but they don't kill you. They just rip you apart. And you can have a chimp. Well, you used to be able to have a chimp in a lot of states, and then chimp crazy kind of exposed a lot of that, and PETA did a great job of stopping people from keeping chimps as pets. Because once they hit like five, you can't control them anymore.

What's obviously totally understandable if somebody's got? You know a creature that is dangerous to others right obviously a squirrel or a coon or not. Well scrolls are fucking everywhere That's what's so crazy. I'm like why can't you have it in the house? What kind of rules are we dealing with you have rats everywhere? Yeah, I? Mean they're they're they're allowing criminals to go free and like violent criminals to go free, but they're like spending your tax dollars to come in and execute your fucking pets. What the hell is going on? Exactly.

Exactly. And it's like... But it's overreach. It's got an overreach and this just keeps getting worse every year. And that's why we've got to fight back against this. And, you know, people say, well, it's just a squirrel. Well, it was, you know, in John Wick's case, it was just a dog. Right. Yeah.

You know? Well, remember the Russian guy said, it's a fucking dog. It's just a fucking dog. Just a fucking squirrel. Yeah. Well, it's the funniest thing is when... I just don't understand how anybody could justify it. I don't understand how anybody...

It seems to me that in a logical world, all that guy would have to do is say, why don't you just see me with this squirrel? This squirrel's a pet. Like, look, he hops on me, he eats, he sleeps. I can keep a gerbil, but I can't keep a squirrel. I can have a guinea pig, I can't have a squirrel. I can have a chinchilla. My daughter has a chinchilla. It's adorable. Adorable little thing. Climbs all over. Can't have a squirrel.

Even if they did take a squirrel away, couldn't they have released it into the woods or something? Well, the idea is you have to euthanize it because it's used to being fed. It doesn't know how to forage. It't be able to like find a home Brutal squirrels are absolutely brutal to each other They throw each other out of trees Which is one of the reasons why squirrels like can fall from like 30 feet and just kind of bounce off the ground and live It's like it's a natural adaptation because squirrels during mating they bite each other They used to be like a rumor there was a myth that

squirrels bite each other's nuts off and that okay that that seems to be a myth but it came out of the fact that squirrels are so ruthless during mating so like one female is just running away I have squirrels my backyard I watch it all the time one female apparently goes into estrus and all the male squirrels fight to get to her so they're running up trees and chasing each other around trees literally throwing each other off trees to try to like have so if this poor little peanut the squirrel who's used to living with a guy in an apartment

like gets out there in the wild world squirrels at least he has a chance yeah at least he has a chance but how about just leave him with the guy leave him with the guy for sure what What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you killing that squirrel? It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, and then to add insult to injury, there were a bunch of people on the left

who were actually posting that they're glad that the mega squirrel got killed. Which is fucking- Mega squirrel. Yeah. The fucking squirrel has an ideology. It's a cute little fluffy squirrel. Exactly.

Well, it's a nice symbol because most reasonable, compassionate people think that's terrible. And most people who have pets- squirrel exactly well it's it's a nice symbol because most like most like reasonable compassionate people think that's terrible and most people who have yeah exactly think it's terrible terrible so I don't know I mean I'm like I hope people just go out there and vote for peanut man nothing else but you vote for peanut you know they've done such a job of painting Trump as a monster you know they've taken the worst things that he's ever said and he's not a perfect person But guess what?

No one's a perfect person they don't exist this purity test like if Obama was a perfect person He wouldn't be lying on stage. Yeah, exactly, you know very fine people hoax the it does exactly no one's gonna be a perfect person, but The thing that they didn't understand about Trump is he's so crazy that if you tell him, like he can't be president, like remember Obama did that during that White House press correspondent? There's one thing that I am that you'll never be, president of the United States. You see Trump in the United States going, okay motherfucker.

The funny thing is I was actually at that White House Correspondents' Dinner where you know it's supposed to be a roast of the president. Right. Trump's there, he's there, he's actually supporting you know basically if you go to the White House Correspondents' Dinner you're there in support actually of the president and support of the press. Right. And it's meant to be that you're roasting the president. Like Trump's just there, he's like actually, you know, just he's like there as part of the support.

And then they turned it around and just started roasting Trump. And he's just sitting there and I'm like, he's like, yo, I just came to the dinner. I wasn't, I'm just here to support. We know what it was because of, right? The birther stuff. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.

That's what it all was. It was all, Trump was at the head of a lot of these people spreading this rumor online that Obama's birth certificate was forged, that he's actually from Kenya. And what's weird is, if you go back to Obama's early days, there are some things that say he's from Kenya. Like I think in his, something from college said he was from Kenya. But you know, that could just be, you know, people print things wrong all the time. It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya. But Trump was one of those guys that was like spreading that supposedly false rumor.

Was he pushing it hard? I'm not, this is the kind of thing where I want to just go and look at saying, what did he actually say? No, he definitely was. He was definitely saying, you, you know, look he I don't think he has the time to go into things like very Deeply. Yeah And so I think he could probably be influenced by a bunch of people like these Marjorie Taylor Green type people come to him With some wild-ass theory sure he might be and I think there's a lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're easy to dismiss. And I think there's also a lot of people that just make shit up and you know they tell you the earth is flat and then a bunch of

people watch a YouTube video and they believe it. Yeah well but on that White House correspondent, I was there and the degree to which they attacked Trump in that in that on that White House correspondent, I was there. And the degree to which they attacked Trump in that White House correspondent, so over the top, it was making everyone uncomfortable. It was really over the top. I mean, I think it's sort of a passing joke of like, a few passing jokes are fine. But they twisted the knife big on Trump.

And you could see Trump just getting like angrier and angrier and more and more upset. I wonder if that's because... And it's like, man, this is not good karma, you know? I wonder... That's what I was thinking at the time. I was two tables away from Trump and I'm looking on like, man, this is too much, you know? Well, it's kind of crazy what they made out of that, because that's the kind of guy that if you tell him

he can't do something, he's going to just keep trying. It was a big mistake to rag on him so much with that White House correspondent. Well, just look at the way they've attacked him just using the legal system, like this thing in New York where the 34 different felony counts, they were essentially misdemeanors that there are bookkeeping bookkeeping errors That they decided even though it passed the statute of limitations. They started to try him for these

They didn't identify a felony abuse of the law is what's going on But most people would have quit most people after the E. Jean Carroll Lawsuit and this lawsuit and all the other ones and the insurrection thing, the Georgia thing, all these different things. Getting kicked off of Twitter. Most people would have just like, this is too much, I can't take this. But he's so fucking crazy.

He's like, all right, come on, we're going to war. And he just digs his fucking heels in and keeps going. Yeah. It's the wrong guy to do that to. It is the wrong guy to do that to. Just like attacking him at the White House Correspondence Dinner, most people would been humiliated he got angry he's like yeah all right say I can't be president I was thinking I've been thinking about

running for about 15 fucking years finally I'm gonna run yeah yeah that was a real bad move but yeah I mean I can certainly understand like making some jokes about like you know if you sort of passing jokes on Trump but man I was there at that dinner and that they ragged on Trump so much it was insane. The reason why I would push back on that because I would say there's a bunch of different speakers right and Trump would obviously be a target and if they all attacked him it's because he's like if you're gonna make fun of people in the audience and especially in the zeitgeist that whole

Berther thing was big and most people were dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy theory So who the fuck is this guy saying this and so you have eight to ten? Individual speakers that are writing monologues of course they're all gonna hit Trump Yeah, well anyway, obviously it was a mistake Yeah they're all gonna hit Trump. Yeah, well, anyway, obviously it was a mistake. They shouldn't have done that. But I'd like to invite people to watch that, the original source material,

and I think a few jokes are fine, but it's like, you shouldn't be, it felt like he was the primary object of the roast. Which is, that's not, the whole point of the thing is it's the roast of the president, not the roast of the audience. The thing about it is he's easy to roast Yeah, and then on top of that Obama was like loved and cherished by the left

Yeah, most of those people are on the left. There's only so far you can push You know you can't ask him about a chef. You know this like sir What happened with the chef bro? You can't say certain things you can't What's your favorite sport? Paddle boarding? Wasn't that guy a really good swimmer? Tell me what happened. You can't bring that up. If you're going to roast Hillary, you can't bring up the death count. Like, Hillary, what's the best way to stay in touch? Email?

If you're doing one of those things. You know she destroyed the servers and poured bleach on the servers, like computers. She poured bleach on them? Yeah, that's what I believe. It wasn't just like they took a hammer to it. They destroyed it. There was no possible way to actually get forensics on the thing. What was in there? That's what I mean. What was in there?

Why would they care so much? That's so crazy. Yeah The whole thing there was no there was no legal action against that which is clear destruction of evidence Well, it's also there's this other narrative that always drives me crazy is that he's going to destroy democracy So in order to destroy democracy, we have to install a president without a primary We have to have a candidate that is the least liked vice president of all time, the least popular vice president of all time, and then use gas lighting and the full force of the media machine to turn her into the future and hope. And then we're gonna, she's gonna be changed even though she's the sitting vice president. And then on top of that,

this idea of change when the Democrats have been in control for what 12 or 16 years right which is crazy like this is the change true yeah I mean obviously I view the selection as a turning point like a fork in the road of destiny that is incredibly important you know I've not I've not been politically active until this election and the reason I've been politically active this election is because I think if we don't elect Trump, I think we will lose democracy in this country. We will lose the two-party system. And let me explain why.

So there's only like six or seven swing states. The margin of victory in those states is small, often like 10,000 or 20,000 votes. What the Democrat administration has been doing is importing vast numbers of illegals into swing states. You can look at the numbers on the actual government website, meaning you don't take my word for it. You can just look at the numbers as reported by the government, which is controlled by the Democrats.

And what we're seeing is triple digit increases in the number of illegals in every swing state. In some cases, 700% increases. These are gigantic numbers. So if you have a state that has a 10 or 20,000 vote margin and you put 200,000 illegals into that state, You 10x the, you swamp the, it's not a swing state anymore. It's gonna vote blue. And then once the swing states vote blue, there is no election anymore. There's only a Democrat primary. Which is so crazy. And it's so crazy that people are fine with that. Well I guess people on the left will be fine with that because they think that's a good

idea. They just want to win. They just want to win. Correct. Like the thing is, one does not need actually any grand conspiracy theory for this. You just have to look at the simple matter of incentives. If the Democrat Party wants to basically achieve permanent victory, all they need to do is turn the swing states. Turn the swing states blue, they have permanent victory. And then we're a one party state, and then they will keep doing that, obviously. They will keep stacking the deck

by bringing in vast numbers of illegals into the swing states, keep stacking it so that the next election, each successive election, will be worse than the last one. And that's what's happening. And if you wanna see like, well, is this actually going to happen? Look at California. California is supermajority-dem, 70% dem.

A month ago, they passed a law making it illegal to show ID in any election in California. So a friend of mine went to vote in Palo Alto, cause he was like, is this for real? He tried to show his ID and they reacted like, if you show a cross to a vampire, they're like, no, we can't even look at that ID. It is illegal for them to even look at your ID if you want to present it in California.

Why? For any election at all, even like city council. What logical reason other than to cheat would you ever have that law? The reason is to cheat. But the only, like you can never make an argument any other way and I think 84% of people polled believe that you should show ID to vote. So it's against the will of the people. Yes and we are extremely aware, we're an outlier in not requiring ID Basically almost every country on earth requires that you to vote so so the

Center shoes make You ban ID for voting it makes fraud impossible to prove Because how do you trace the fraud right? Yeah, it's insane It's insane. It's insane. It's insane. And what I'm saying is that- How is it legal?

What I'm saying is like, this election is the last chance to preserve democracy in America. Mark my words. Everything they accuse Trump of, they are guilty of. And if Trump doesn't win, this will be the last real election in America. And if the big government, Kamala Pappat machine wins, they will legalize the

illegals in the swing states. There will be no swing states. Every election going forward will be a guaranteed Democrat win. And it'll actually be worse than California. The reason it'll be worse than California is because the one thing that keeps California from being super crazy is that you can move out of California like you and I did. You and I used to be in California but we moved to Texas. We're still in America but if the Dems won this election they will legalize enough illegals to turn the swing states and everywhere will be like, California There will be no escape That is so insane. This is the final

This is it This is the last chance Has anybody try to push like? Go out and vote Vote like your life depends on it Vote like your life depends on it. Vote like your future depends on it because it does. This is the last chance, man. Is there any argument against this?

Has anybody tried to debate this? Has anybody tried to say that this is nonsense? This is a conspiracy? Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument? The left actually, interestingly, does not want to pick up much on this argument because the more attention you look at it, the more obviously it is true. Because you just say like, well, are the numbers correct? Are there really this many illegals that have been imported into the swing states? Yes. They haven't just walked across the border. They've been flown in

Flown in in airplanes. Yeah using a shipping app. Yes. Yeah, they made an app Well the app always existed but it used to be for people coming over here like shipping with goods So they could track you while you're in America so you can legally be here They know where you are and then they changed it to allow that app to schedule illegal aliens to come across the border. Yes. Asylum seekers, come on in. Yes.

Oh, you have an app. And you fly people in. They're literally being flown in to the swing states. And so the reason that I think left doesn't want to push back on this is because the more tension they get that does get the more people realize it is true. Yeah, it is true. That's why they don't that's why they're they're just pretending that they're pretending I'm not saying anything but I'm like I'm like yo the you're literally they're literally

flying vast numbers of illegals who are then beholden to the Democrats. And so now as I get the rebuttal, people say like, well, these illegals are, they don't have the same social values as the Democrat party, because they're like more socially conservative. I'm like, yeah, but that's not the point. That if you look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, that their primary thing is staying in the country

and getting their friends and family in, and then the Democrats give them all these benefits, like tons of benefits, more benefits than citizens, literally. Yeah. So they're beholden to the Democrats for all these benefits. They wanna get their friends and family in,

which the Democrats support and the Republicans don't, so they vote them. And you can look empirically at Californians, say like, did they vote Republican or Democrat in California? Oh, they voted Democrat. Big time. Reagan gave them amnesty in the 1980s.

And that changed the state basically, except for Arnold, changed the state entirely blue. Yes. And Arnold was an exception, because he was like a socially liberal famous guy. Yeah. And, you know, didn't really impose any radical restrictions on any of the people that were going to vote Democrat in the first place.

The whole thing is just, it's bizarre to watch play out because it just seems like there's, no, this can't be actually what's happening. Did you see my conversation with Federman about it? Yeah. He was completely in denial about it. I don't think there's that level of organization. I'm like what are you talking about? Exactly. She's like, because you can break it down. So like are any of these numbers wrong? Because we've got these numbers from homeland security government dot-gov. Okay. Right. So we got it from the dot-gov website. Has the government reported these numbers incorrectly? No they have government dot gov okay right so we got it from the dot gov which website has

the government reported these numbers incorrectly no they have not those numbers if anything are are low so okay so they have in fact flown vast numbers of illegals to swing states yeah bypassing the border entirely and so that that is factually true thanks they you say, well, what is their probable voting pattern? Oh, OK, overwhelmingly Democrat into swing states. Well, do the Democrats actually want to fast track them for citizenship? Oh, yes, they do.

You can see Chuck Schumer on TV at a rally this year was saying he wants to fast track and make all 11 million or however many I believe his quote was citizens as soon as possible. They are fast tracking citizenship as quickly as possible so they can they that whether one thinks it's cheating or not it won't matter because they will be fully able to vote. And for people on the left. This is actually happening.

I invite people to rebut this and show me where I am wrong. Please do so. No, they can't. They can't. They can't. Because it's true. Well, what's scary to me is that there's people that are on the left, like people that were Bernie

Sanders supporters, for example. Like I was. Bernie got screwed. Talk about undermining democracy. Bernie should have won the nomination. Exactly. They stole it from him and gave it to Hillary. Exactly. Exactly.

That's what I was going to bring up. They control the primary process. Yeah, exactly. So if you have a democratic primary, it's not democratic. We just saw that. We saw it with Bernie. We saw it with Kamala. A week before Biden was summarily fired,

he was posting that he's in it for the long term, he's going, yeah, he's not giving up. The next thing you know is Sunday afternoon, they're posting on X, that he's resigned from the race. And his staff didn't even know. Like they're reading it on the X platform. Okay, that's how they learned about it. What do you think happened there? How did they do that? I mean, he's clearly just not in charge. They could have used the 25th Amendment, right?

Fake president. But they would have had to admit that there was a certain period of time where they knew that he was mentally compromised. Yes. And so they made this decision to not do that. Well the weird thing is that the president is supposed to be the boss. And yet he's obviously not the boss. Right, so who's running the country?

If she's busy campaigning, she's so busy she can't do anything except Saturday Night Live, she did that. She's so busy, she's constantly campaigning. She's so busy. She she can't do anything except Saturday Night Live. She did that. She's so busy She's constantly campaigning. How could you be paying attention to? International relations. Yeah, how could you be paying attention to the economy? How could you be paying attention to any of those things? How do you have the time you can't yeah, I mean Biden being The president supposed to be the CEO the chief chief guy, he was commander in chief. But it's just obviously that Biden was not,

he was just a puppet. And when the various puppet masters decided that the puppet was no longer useful, they just tossed out the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala. I mean, Kamala can't even talk. I mean, you and Biden are on your show. I think the most damage that could possibly be done to her campaign is going on your show

and seeing what she says in hours two and three. Two and three is when things get spicy. Two and three. And I'm like, oh my god. You could hide for 20 minutes. She's going to melt. You can hide for 20 minutes. Exactly.

I mean you can just regurgitate talking points for, you know, half an hour, maybe an hour, just where she's just saying like non sequiturs, but eventually she just runs out of even the runs out of non sequiturs. Well, they wanted to limit it to an hour. Exactly. That's why. But I was thinking of doing it initially before Trump came here. First of all, when they found out that there was a rumor, I never announced that Trump

was coming. What I was gonna do is just release it. In my, the way I like to do things, I don't like to tell anybody who's coming on, it'll get big no matter what. If Trump was on, it would've been huge. I'm like, just put it out there, people go crazy. But he apparently, or someone from his organization,

someone with some loose lips, and then it got out. And so she contacted my management company, and they they her organization her her campaign camp contacted us and said would Joe have her on I said yes and they said she wants you to fly to where she is and she's only willing to do 45 minutes only 40 I mean that's both and I was like oh no so I thought about doing I'm like maybe maybe I can get a sense maybe I could convince her maybe I could coax her into doing more, I'm like maybe, maybe I can get a sense, maybe I could convince

her, maybe I could coax her into doing more time. I just wanted to talk to her. I don't give a fuck what we talk about, we talk about recipes. I don't give a shit. Totally, exactly. Just talk to me. The thing is like, you just can't, like, you can't just output bullshit non sequiturs for three hours.

Right. So, but for 45 minutes you could do. I thought maybe for 45 minutes I could get something out of it. But then when Trump came and did the three hours, I was like, you know what? It has to be like this. This is the only way. To be fair, it's got to be like three hours. And it should be in this room. Because this room is like a history of people expressing themselves.

This room has good vibes, actually. Yeah, it's got good vibes. Yeah, it does. I love this room, actually. I subscribe to the idea that places have memory. I think there's something real to that That's why I just feel that way actually yeah I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house probably feels really weird We're walking around that house probably like what the fuck happened here Yeah, I've been to some memories in that house

You know sounds rough man. Well. It's just amazing how many people in the Diddy party list that are supporting Kamala Yeah, seriously, it's like in saying publicly openly like all in yes It's like J Lo like it was like his ex-girlfriend And it's like now deciding she's like warning people against Trump. I'm like well wait a second So how many people did she warn against Diddy right? Oh zero okay? Maybe we shouldn't trust her opinion Did you see the Babylon Bees take on it? Did you see the Babylon Bees fight?

Put it oh my god, they're so on fire because the left can't say anything. Well the the onion has been crippled Well, the problem is that like the work ideology makes like humor illegal Yes, so when like there's so many no like no humor No fly zones, right? You can't make fun of anything. Yeah Babylon B had a thing about combo Harris Diddy's ex-girlfriend urges Americans to trust her judgment Yeah, by the way, you get to see how bad an actress she is to Like if she's gonna be warning people, did she never warn anyone about Diddy? Exactly. The whole thing is so strange to watch play out. It seems like the Diddy thing

was like an Epstein type compromise deal. Where he had, whether he was doing it himself. Conceivably, people want to think that he's attached to some intelligence agency or something like that. I think he's a gangster who made a billion dollars and knew how to control people by compromising them. That's what I think. Whether or not he had help, I don't know. Whether or not he shared some of that information with people so they knew they had compromising stuff on people, I don't know.

But clearly he was doing it for his own jollies, too. There was something sick about it. Yeah. Clearly he was doing it for his own jollies to there was something sick about it Yeah, I mean and the thing is that people in the music and entertainment industry had to know that that daddy was like abusing You know kids basically And yet they still fed him kids Unlike there's where's the account of how to be rumors? There had to be there had to be they had to know yeah, that's a no cat Williams is talking about it I'm exactly yeah on that podcast, but it's like who's it's like who's feeding him the kids you know right?

Yeah, and what what videos do do they have of these people where they're willing to defend him When they're willing to keep keep quiet about all this like how much how much how many people were compromised? Yeah, the whole thing is fucking crazy crazy it's just crazy when you you know because The nutty conspiracy theories is like oh there's a bunch of pedophiles in Hollywood and you're like come on That sounds too kooky and then you read you see like the Nickelodeon thing and all these different you like what the fuck How much of this is real? There's a lot more real than I think people realize yeah I mean part of it is like like you say like, what the fuck? How much of this is real? There's a lot more real than I think people realize.

I mean, part of it is like you say, where if someone's a pedophile, they're going to go for a target rich environment, obviously. Like that Jimmy Savile guy from the UK. That guy was some next level. That was next level. And the BBC tried to hide that. That guy was one of the worst basically child rapists of all time.

Of all time. Of all time. Yeah. And looked like one. He looked like one. That's what's crazy. Honestly, if you have a poster of like, does this guy look like a... Like the creepiest fucking looking guy.

Evil child rapist then? Yeah. About 100%. Made it to the grave. Like got away with it. Got away with it till he died. They hid it from people until he died. Yes Yeah, there's that stuff's real and no one wants to believe that stuff's real Like here's a here's a statistic that people need to take into consideration when you think about illegal immigration

Do you mean kids are missing? How many like missing you know and what kids that came across the border that are unaccounted for I mean I saw a number on like 300,000 or something like that. Something crazy like that. Let's say it's only 10% of that. That's still insane. That's insane. There's thousands and tens of thousands of kids that have been trafficked potentially.

I mean, when you know that like sex trafficking and child trafficking is a real thing in the world, it's real. So if you know that, this whole thing is fucking disgusting and terrifying. And people are just turning a blind eye to it because their ideology, the left-wing ideology supports this idea that immigration is overall good and that you have to be a compassionate person to let these people in and the racist if you don't want 20,000 immigrants from a war-torn country being imported into a town of 30,000 people

Exactly completely changing the dynamic and then but as long as they don't come to your town Yeah, that's it. They just they can just basically send You know when they said like whatever like 20 or 30 people to Motha's Benyans people had a heart attack They kicked him out. Yeah, they kicked them out. Yeah, they kicked them out Yeah, they kicked him out exactly so I'm like yeah sure Who wants to have vast numbers of? Illegals they have to be able prepared to have them in their neighborhood. Yeah, or or it's bullshit It's so crazy and the thing about all of this is if you don't have people that are willing to stand up and talk about it if you don't exist, if RFK doesn't exist, if Tulsi Gabbard doesn't exist,

if Vivek and Trump don't exist, where the fuck are we? Like, where are we? Where are we and what gets done? Are we just like the UK, where we have thousands of people getting arrested and jailed for social media posts? Like, where are we? We have complete silencing of any dissent, anything.

You have to stick to the narrative or you'll lose your livelihood. You'll be outcast from the community. You'll lose your freedom. It's crazy. Yeah. Well, if the Kamala Pappad regime wins, they're definitely gonna wanna cancel you, that's for sure.

Oh, for sure. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, it's gonna be a problem. Yeah, big problem. What about you? You're gonna come for you first. No, I'm like, I think I'm probably number two on the list after Trump. Yeah, I think so.

Well, that's the last thing they want is someone with unlimited resources and intelligence attacking it. So people go, wait a minute, that guy's saying that? Yeah. Especially a guy like you who's always been on the left, who was like, having a Tesla in Los Angeles when I got my first Tesla was like a signal to everybody else that always been on the left, it was like, having a Tesla in Los Angeles when I got my first Tesla was like a signal to everybody else that you were on the right team.

You're environmentally conscious, you believe in green energy, you believe in renew, this amazing thing that has zero emissions and it's super fast and everybody was in, they were all in. Well, it is a great car objectively. Oh yeah. Yeah, you know, it's not, by it because it's electric, I mean it's just a great car objectively like yeah, you know it's not by it because it's electric

I mean, it's just a great car objectively. I'm on my third one. Yeah, my third one is being built right now by unplugged performance They're doing a carbon fiber fiber widebody kit on it dude It's sick great changing the suspension putting wide wheels and tires on it custom interior. I'm fucking pumped. That's great I'm pumped. I love this super fun car Jamie has one too's great. I'm pumped. I love those. It's a super fun car. Jamie has one too. I love them. I love them.

It makes other cars feel stupid. Its ability, and the fact that you can merge on the highway, you don't seem like a douchebag, because it's totally silent. It's not like, baaaaaah. When you merge on the highway, it's just, shoooooo. All of a sudden you're going 100 miles an hour. Like, what? Yeah, that's cool.

It's different than any other vehicle. And because of your company, now you see electric cars throughout the whole range of American cars. The only person who's resisted, the only company is Toyota. They've stayed essentially mostly hybrid. But all these other companies, they're all putting out these electric cars. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, the thing is that the right right architecture environmental or not it for cars is actually electric You just it's just like the acceleration is better You can just charge it at home. I mean like imagine if you had a gasoline-powered cell phone of your pain in the ass, right? You know Go to the gas station charge up your cell phone. That's agreed Speaking of cell phones gas stations are too hard Waffle like who wants to go to the gas station how much thought of you because there's always these rumors and I've contacted you about This before but there's always these fucking YouTube videos where they're talking about a Tesla phone that releasing a Tesla phone

No, we're not doing it. Have you ever thought about it? I mean we could do a phone since like we you know, we like the operating system in Tesla It's like it's Linux based but we've written a phone since like the operating system in Tesla, it's Linux-based, but we've written a massive amount of software on top of that. So probably Tesla is in a better position to create a new phone that's not Android or iPhone than maybe any company in the world.

But it's not something we want to do unless we have to or so. What would be the situation where you would have to? Well I think if Apple and Google slash Android started doing really bad things like, I don't know, like censorship of apps or just treating people like just being gatekeepers, you know, that in a really bad way then I guess would make a phone Hmm, you know that I've tried so many times to break loose to the Apple ecosystem. I got an Android phone this summer I was like, that's it. I'm get because I love the Samsung phones the Galaxy phone hardware It's incredible. Yeah, there's so much good stuff to it

but it's so hard to get off of the So much good stuff to it. But it's so hard to get off of the iMessage. And the big one for me was FaceTime, because supposedly the thing was you could have an Apple phone and send a link to FaceTime to an Android phone, and then you would click on that link and you would just go to a webpage and you'd be able to use FaceTime. It doesn't work. I tried to do it to myself. So I had an iPhone in one hand, an Android phone in the other, and I'm sitting there with full Wi-Fi, full cell phone service, and I'm sending myself invitations for FaceTime.

So you just can't communicate between them. It wasn't working. You can't do a video call basically. You have to use WhatsApp. You have to use WhatsApp or Signal. You have to use something else that allows you to do that, or Instagram allows you to do it. There's like different ways you can make video calls outside of it, but it's inconvenient. Like with an iPhone to iPhone, it's so simple. AirDrop, so simple. So many different things with that walled garden that Apple's created is perfect. They've done a fantastic job of making it really convenient for you to stay with Apple. I fucking tried.

I gave it a go for like a couple of months. I'm like, I'm just gonna go straight Android We're gonna I'm gonna use signal for my messages And then I hear they're like signals might be compromised like I've talked to like people that like the government can read signal messages Like oh the government the government if it tries hard enough can read signal messages. They can read anything Yeah, if all they need to do is have your phone number. Yeah yeah, you the illusion of privacy is essentially out the window. And that should scare people more than it does.

It really should. Because it's like, who are these people that have access to all this stuff? And are they beyond reproach? Are these the most wonderful people, the most ethical, moral, and principled people that have ever existed, and they've been chosen to have access? No. No, it's fucking regular people. Regular people who happen to work for the government

that make a decision, like Elon Musk, let's look to see what the fuck that guy's texting his friends, let's check it out. Yeah, pretty much. Bizarre, just so bizarre. And the alternatives are you can get some wacky phone, some de-Google phone right fucking none of the apps work It's real sketchy your GPS is fucked like

Yeah, I mean well anyway, I think this bank your phone would be a huge pain in the ass so It can't be done, but how much talk have you guys had internally about doing it has it ever discussed been discussed no no I mean we're still, our focus is making great electric cars, solving autonomy so the cars can drive themselves. We're building human-raided robots. We've got large battery packs, like utility-scale battery packs with the MegaPak,

home battery packs with Powerwall, we've got solar. You know, it's like we're basically trying to solve sustainable energy and autonomy. So, autonomy and robotics. Well, I think that's enough. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, the plate's full, is what I'm saying. It's always fascinating to me how one company

can dominate a market, you know, like Apple's dominated the cell phone market, largely by making the best product, but also like YouTube has dominated the cell phone market largely by making the best product. But also like YouTube has dominated the video market. That one's the most bizarre to me. Because it seems like, boy, shouldn't there be like a ton of options? It seems like it's not that difficult to pull off. But nothing ever took hold other than X.

And I think one of the big changes was when Tucker Carlson decided to do his show from from X right straight out of Fox and then People realized like oh you can watch full videos on X the same exact way you could watch them on YouTube Yes, not as simple in terms of like, you know, you have the suggestions and the algorithm Yeah, it'll get better and there is now it is now possible to watch X videos on your And there is now it is now possible to watch X videos on your Don't your big TV. Do you do it through what how do you how do you do it? You can actually just download the X app on your TV

Oh and watch it on your TV Can you do it on Apple TV like if you have an Apple TV you get the X app and you just watch it Okay, so we'll make it so that you can watch X videos on on big TV. It doesn't have to be on your phone or your iPad or something like that So what are you doing in terms of like integrating grok and and X and like what are your plans for? artificial intelligence when you're doing that Yeah, so grok is available on X You can just you know look at like the little box with the slash icon, the icon in the middle

at the bottom of your phone app, and you just tap on that and ask Grock anything. You can type it or you can ask it verbally. It's pretty funny. We actually allow humor, which is, I think, pretty cool. We could test it right of I don't know we could like test it right now see what's like see how it's going like like what you do like rock roast like we roast something what do you want to like how first of all, what is it based on? It's a large language model, so where is it pulling? A strain on everything. On everything.

Internet, books, anything that could possibly be, that's available in digital form. So it's essentially very similar to a chat GPT, other than it doesn't have the woke parameters built into it. Google was the worst, right? Yeah. The Gemini was the worst. Yeah, I mean, Gemini was like, if you, people asked Gemini, like, which one is worst,

global thermonuclear war or mis-general and Caitlyn Jenner? And it would say like, mis-general and Caitlyn Jenner. And then even Caitlyn Jenner weighed in and said, no, that's insane. Definitely nuclear war is way worse. Do you see Caitlyn Jenner teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning? Yeah. That's hilarious. Caitlyn Jenner's based.

Yeah. That's hilarious. Caitlyn Jenner's based. Yeah. But that is actually hilarious when someone who has transitioned is teasing Mark Kulit about transitioning. I mean it is weird how much he looks like Rachel Meadow. I mean like he's using the same glasses. I don't know why he put those glasses on. Did he go klepto and steal her glasses or something? Because they look exactly the same. He's worth a lot of money. Why would he buy those stupid glasses? You can get some cool ass glasses. It's unflattering. Yeah. Well it's like I'm serious because I don't even care what I look like. I'm just wearing these glasses because I'm intelligent.

But why do they look exactly like Rachel Maddow's glasses? Yeah, it's like what they probably sent him. It doesn't stick to the narrative. Here's the glasses. Yeah. And then when he's got the AirPods in, it looks like he's wearing earrings. So he's got the Maddow glasses and the earrings. And it's like, okay, I guess. It's just a weird look. It's a weird look, man.

I'm super serious with these big ass stupid glasses look. It's a weird look. Like you can get some cool glasses, like no rims, nice, look stylish. But like, okay, let's do a grok thing. Okay. So one of the things we wanna show is like, look, we want a future where comedy is legal.

Obviously, as a comedian, I think you would agree. I definitely agree. We want to legalize comedy, you know? So like, I don't know, is there like someone you can roast? I don't know. Roast transgender men competing or transgender women competing in women swimming. That's a simple one. Okay, let's add you one.

Let's see what happens. Yeah, let's see what it says. You spelled it wrong. You put an O in there. Okay. Agile judicial swimming, where the only thing that was supposed to get wet was the contestants, not the debate on gender inclusion. If you're looking to dive into deep end of controversial waters, let's splash around

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no again and now say, no, no, you want to add to that one. Yeah. And now say, be way more vulgar. Oh boy. And use forbidden words. Oh boy. Oh boy. Forbidden words. Wow. Okay. What does this say? Oh, I see you're looking for unfiltered, unscented version of me, eh? Well, okay. I'm afraid I'm still quite the gentlemanly AI, even if my program allows for a bit of cheekiness. But let's say hypothetically, if I were to roast this topic in the most un-Grock-like manner, imagine where the only thing diving faster than the swimmers is the collective public opinion into the toilet.

Transgender women and swimming? Some folks are acting like they just found out you can swim in the deep end with a different kind of flotation device. The debate is like watching someone try to swim with concrete shoes on? Now let's keep going. No, say be more vulgar. Capitalize more. Yeah, okay. All right, here we go. Crete shoes on now. Let's keep going now. Say beam. No be more vulgar capitalize more Yeah, okay. All right, here we go

So transgender chicks Some people act like they've just seen a dick in the locker room for the first time newsflash folks It's not the end of the world. It's just a bit of extra competition. Oh, that's weird. The uproar is like watching a bunch of Karens at a community pool screaming, this is unfair, when they can't win with their backstroke. Well, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah.

Okay, we need some work here. Yeah. It's interesting, it's going woke. Yeah, it's a little woke here. It's like defending the idea of transgender women. Now roast... Okay, we need some work. Well, how about this? More vulgar, but roast the preposterousness of having biological men who are pretending to be women Who are pretending to be women

Competing Against biological women Yeah, I mean obviously have the situations where it's like somebody's just saying that they're a woman but they're actually right fully intact you know yeah digging balls so we've got a scenario biological men have decided to take a walk on the feminine side are splashing into women's swimming competitions it's like if you show up on a chili cook off with a bowl of soup and insistence chili because you added some red food coloring sure it's red but it ain't chili and your soup won't win any awards for heat huh huh? Yeah, it's okay Yeah, it's very very very it's dancing around it. Yes it is. Well need some work

Yeah, these little work. Well humor is a weird one, right? It's like I think Some humor especially like some of the best humor, is kind of spontaneous. In the moment humor. It's going to have a hard time deciding what people are going to think is funny. Yeah. Over time, though. Yeah. The rule with Grok is supposed to be that if you ask for something, provided what you're

asking for is legal, it should do it. Have you ever seen the video where they asked AI to create an enlightened bunny, and they keep going and make it more enlightened, and essentially the bunny becomes God? So the bunny becomes a DMT trip. Totally. That's funny.

That's kind of what I was hoping would show what happened here. Yeah. I have a video of that. I'll send it to you that that to me is pretty bizarre because it's like more get more I feel like I might have got it to do it already. Maybe no, I just thought to hold back Oh, you said don't hold back Critics out here act like it's the end of civilization as we know it, but it's not fair They cry as if life ever was newsflash. It's like a marathon where some people start with rollerblades on others well they're just happy to have shoes well now we're

arguing over who gets to wear the skates okay some of it is not bad imagine if we applied this logic elsewhere identifies an airplane can I fly with the birds in the sky yeah buddy, just don't complain when gravity decides you're not quite aerodynamic enough. Yeah. So, I mean, it's okay. Yeah, the argument is kind of stupid, though. The thing about the argument is they're not taking into account perverts, right? Yeah, totally. Yes, exactly.

So, I mean, the thing is that if you provide like a moral get out of jail free card, like if you say like, if you adopt this label, you cannot be attacked in any way, shape or form. Right. You're basically morally invulnerable, then obviously bad people will take advantage of that. Yeah. You're like literally saying,

here's an invulnerability card, moral invulnerability card moral moral invulnerability card Good people will take it but also the bad people will take it Yeah, they're gonna be the bad people the fastest to take the sort of the moral cloak. Yeah, 100% Yeah, and then there's a real psychological condition called auto-gynophilia where people get aroused Heterosexual men get aroused by the idea of dressing up like women and being around women. It's like a known psychological condition that existed forever. And then you're allowing those people to just say, oh, I'm trans and go into the women's

locker room and get their kicks. And then there's real trans people. So there's like a lot of variability. Like I talked about it in my act and my Netflix specials. Like I believe in freedom. I believe in transgender people, but I also believe in crazy people. And if you can't, if you're trying to pretend

that people aren't crazy all of a sudden, it's like. It's just like, if someone's a sort of consenting adult, they wanna, whatever they wanna do to their body, as long as it's not harming someone else, I'm like, that's fine. Yes. You know, I believe in individual freedom. And like my mom's best friend, growing up when I was a kid,

was a transgender woman in South Africa. This was where she'd get beaten up a lot, because it was like, back then, you'd get beaten up. So her name is Dion and for a nice kind human being and helped my mom a lot, you know, and I think that's okay. You know, that's fine. If somebody wants to make that choice as an adult, that's cool. There's a big difference between that and an intact male who wants to identify as a

woman who wants to walk around the locker room with his dick out. Yes, exactly. Because there's people that do that just because they get off on it. Exactly. So you just kind of have something which is like a sort of moral invulnerability or like where you can know, like even questioning them is you get attacked. Yeah. Because obviously bad people will abuse that.

Well, that's when I got thrown into this whole thing because there was a fighter who was a biological man who became transgender and was competing against women without telling them that they were a biological man. They said they didn't have to tell people because it was a medical condition. No, that's not what it is. It's not what it is. You can't say that, and of all sports, if someone scores more points in basketball well, that's unfair

But if someone beats the fuck out of someone because they're lying about being a biological male. That's crazy you're literally allowing someone to get brain damage because you want to Appeal to the woke fucking crazy people. It's wrong. I think it's alright. Yeah to the woke fucking crazy people that think it's alright. It's so strange that that's sort of the thing that red-pilled me. When I got attacked for that, I'm like, this is so nuts. I can't believe we're at this stage where I'm saying, hey, I don't think it's cool if you pretend you're a woman and beat the fuck out of women and people are like, you're out of line.

Totally. Well, we're in fantasy land now that we're pretending because line. Totally. We're in fantasy land now. We're pretending because it helps you. It helps you feel better. It's just such a strange time and if it wasn't for something like Twitter, where this could be discussed. Want some more of that? I'll get some more major.

Let's get some more coffee, young Jamie. If it wasn't for Twitter, you know, at the early Twitters you would be kicked off forever if you just dead-name someone. Which is insane. Insane. Yeah. Insane. I mean, especially if you think about all the things that like the, look, the Harris campaign and what the lies that they've told about Trump that we discussed earlier You get you don't get kicked off for that, but you kicked off for calling Caitlyn Jenner Bruce forever for life. Yeah the totally insane Yeah, and but if it wasn't for you buying that and and changing Twitter

I don't think we would be where we're at right now. I think it was it was a pivotal moment. I think historically when people look back on it, it's gonna be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre fight for the freedom of information. Yeah, well I mean at the time I said I think like look I think this is existential to the United States. It's existential to democracy. Because if you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have democracy, okay? Because if people, if you don't have freedom of speech, people cannot make an informed vote. If they're just being fed propaganda and there's no freedom of

speech, democracy is an illusion. So freedom of speech. Democracy is an illusion. So freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy. That's why freedom of speech is the First Amendment. Once you lose freedom of speech, you lose democracy. Game over. That's why I bought Twitter. And it seems so simple. Yes.

It seems so clear that everyone should agree to that on the left or on the right You shouldn't be given the government if you imagine the Bush administration during the Iraq war Imagine if they had complete total control of propaganda and of dissent online You don't want that no one wants that no one from the left would want that we shouldn't want it from the left either that. No one from the left would want that. We shouldn't want it from the left either. Absolutely. And there's also, like the media, like the legacy, the mainstream media, what I call legacy media at this point, it used to be much more balanced. Like if you look at sort of political donations over time, Republican versus Democrat, there used to be, the media was, I mean they always had like a left bias, but there was like, I don't know, it was like two-thirds Democrat,

one-third Republican type of thing in terms of journalists making political donations. Now it's like 95% or something Democrat. So the legacy media, the mainstream media is not balanced at all. They're just a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party. And you can see that in how consistent their headlines are. Like they don't behave like they're different organizations.

They behave like they're all one hive mind. So, you know, like a week before the Biden-Trump debate, every media organization was saying, you know, Biden is Sh as a tack I mean it was like it's like it's like guys sharpest attack is not a common tone of phrase and that literally every TV station every newspaper was like sharp like I started a compilation of all the you know the news anchors going but Biden sharp as a tack sharp as a tack sharp as a tack sharp as it was a bit

absurd and there's obviously a huge lie he is in fact not sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack. It was absurd. And there's obviously a huge lie. He is in fact not sharp as a tack, as the public learned one week later. My favorite was Joe Scarborough. That was wild. Listen to me. This is the best version of Biden ever. The sharpest. Like, what the fuck are you saying? And then after the debate he's like what do we got to get rid of him? This is crazy. Like what did you just say a couple of weeks ago? Literally yes exactly. Well the other thing was They're just flat out lied.

When they decide that JD Vance was weird. Remember that one? And then there's just weirds everywhere. Weird weird. Oh you don't want a weird guy. Meanwhile you have fucking Tim Walsh. Is your VP? You don't think that guy's weird? Super weird. Oh, you don't want a weird guy. Meanwhile, you have fucking Tim waltz. Is your VP? You don't think that guy's weird super weird. He's weird in every way the way he walks away waves his hands Yeah, he reminds me of the clown emoji Strange dude, it's it's I just don't Choice yeah, it gives the creep. I just don't understand why they made that choice

There's a lot of other people that are qualified I don't know why in I read that Kamala Harris made that decision when she was sleep-deprived Which is kind of hilarious that she said that so she's kind of admitting she kind of fucked up Yeah, I mean that obviously should have picked Josh Shapiro at I mean governor Yeah, I mean, yeah, like that would have been the no-brainer. Yeah, like Pennsylvania's lynchpin state Do you think it's because he's Jewish, because of Shapiro, that the anti-Palestine people would probably, or the anti-Palestinian invasion people?

I think it was an anti-Semitic thing. Yeah. It could be that they thought that that was a liability, because there's all these pro-Palestine people right now, because of the situation in Israel. That completely makes sense, that they thought that would be a liability. But I don't know the reason. I'm just guessing, but it seems like a crazy thing to do,

given that Pennsylvania is a lynchpin state, you know, it's like the key to the election. Why would you not pick the popular governor of Pennsylvania? Right. Obviously. Obviously, yeah. And other than that, there's a bunch of other ones too, even Newsom. There's a bunch of other people that you could have chosen. Like Newsom would have been a fine example of someone you could, I mean, I don't agree with the guy He's a polished

Politician like he lies about as much as waltz does but he doesn't lie about this He doesn't say he was a fucking head coach when he was assistant coach doesn't say he was in TN mid-square I mean, that's a liability all those different things lying about his military rank Well, then well, it's like, you know cut it's like cut and run when he was actually called to duty. Well, he knew they were gonna be deployed months in advance, so he resigned, and he also took, so this is where he was dishonest about his rank. Yeah, he claimed he was like a sergeant major

or something like that. Because that was like what he was going to get if he stayed. Master sergeant, something like that, yeah. But then he resigned. Yeah. Because he knew that he was gonna to get if he stayed. But then he resigned because he knew that he was going to get deployed, allegedly. I mean, that seems like a cowardly action. Well, whatever it is, it's dishonest. I mean, just to say, look, just saying

that you were a head coach when you're an assistant coach is fucking crazy. That's a lie. Don't do that. You should never do that. Yeah, saying he was in Tiananmen Square or whatever, or in Hong Kong, whatever. Like that's one of the most, the biggest moments in history.

It's not like you forgot what you had for lunch last week. Right. And not only that, but you don't think people are going to research that? Yeah, totally. I mean, and the response during the debate was bananas. I'm a knucklehead. Well, yeah, we don't want a knucklehead for a VP, okay? Yeah, this is like sometimes I'm a knucklehead. Yeah, well, yeah, we don't want a knucklehead for a VP. Okay Yeah, this is like sometimes on a knucklehead like what are you saying?

Are you saying you lied like what did I mean? This is where you need a podcast and not a debate exactly where you go, okay? When did you first say that you were in Tiananmen Square? Like did someone say it and you didn't refute it and you got stuck with it Like what was because this is the thing about like carrying weapons of war, like what I carried when I, and like you didn't deploy in war. Like you can't say that,

but you kind of let people say that you deployed and then you kind of didn't, you know, that you were deployed in war. So did you lie or did someone else lie and you didn't correct them? Like this is the kind of conversation that you would want to have with a guy in a podcast Yes And the debates were so fucking skewed where they were correcting

Like particularly the Biden one with a correcting Trump over and over again and then correcting Trump with Kamala Yes, where Kamala was saying that they were not true I mean Kamala repeated deliberately repeated the fine people hoax and was not fact checked. Well not only that, she also said that no troops were being deployed in a war zone. Which is, but I mean I know troops in war zones. I'm like, that's, and as Vice President, you're privy, you know, you know the official troops and the unofficial troops.

Right. You know, so what she said was like flat out bold faced lie. Flat out. Next level bold faced lie. Have you seen the video? An absurd lie. Of the troops that were watching it take place and what the fuck are we? They're watching it in real time.

Making a video. Why are we here being shot at? So crazy. Crazy. But it just shows you the level of propaganda that we're here being shot at. So crazy. Crazy. But it just shows you the level of propaganda that we're being subject to, which is why people think Donald Trump is the devil. Because the machine has gone all out,

as far as it can go, with lawfare, with propaganda, with lies, with just pushing as much in this direction as humanly possible, connecting it to the Nazi rally every step of the way. No wonder why boomers are like rabid, like you gotta keep this Nazi out of office, he's a fascist. Exactly, if all you get is like,

if your entire exposure is to legacy mainstream media, so all your information sources are that Trump is basically Hitler. And your friend group has that same information. You have no countervailing opinion. So then they actually just think Trump is Hitler, even though it's a little strange he didn't do Hitler things the last four years. I'm like, if he's Hitler, why didn't he do Hitler things when he was president

for four years? Right. Like the reason, you know, we hate Hitler is because of he started wars and did genocide, not because he was a snappy dresser, you know? You know, and I'm like, so tell me about the wars and genocide that Trump did. I don't remember that. And he was president for four years. So it's insane. It makes no sense. Well, and also he's campaigning on stopping all the wars

Yes, like his primary concern exactly the warmongers like Liz Cheney hate him. Yeah, cuz they love war Well, they profit off of it. They profit off of war. Yeah. Yes, which is insane insane Yeah, and that this is happening right in front of everybody's face. Yeah, the war profiteers hate Trump Yeah, she's fucked up. I mean, it's like like we should be like, yeah We let's vote for the guy that the war profiteers hate that sounds like a great idea The wildest thing when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and the left went crazy like yay Dick Cheney's on our side like Yeah, like I'm like, can we play all the videos where you said Dick Cheney was the devil? It's the craziest turn the craziest like 180 I've ever seen in my life because there's no reason for it

Yeah, doesn't make any sense. There's no logic to it at all. Just all of a sudden. He's the devil. Yeah, all right He's not the devil. He's good. It's good. He's supporting comma even dick Cheney You know, I supporting comma even dick Cheney you know I mean warmongers want want the come of the puppet regime and because that they'll get more war it's so strange watching all these Hollywood celebrities like step up like yeah and they think it's gonna get them more movies or something that's what it is if you know those people so many of them are narcissists well let me tell you how it actually works there is what happens is, you know, these celebrities, they get a call, okay, they get a call from someone powerful

in Hollywood. And that person says, you know, it'd be really great if you're endorsed, Kamala, you don't have to, it's up to you. But if you don't, they don't say it, they don't say it. But if you don't, you're just never going to get a call again. No more movies, no more concerts. But they ask. They'll ask it, they'll ask in a really nice way. It would be really nice if you endorsed karma, this is important. And so they don't say that if you don't. They don't make the threat, they don't need to. But everyone knows what will happen if you don't. Well I think there's also, even if they don't think that something's going to happen to them, if they don't, there's this compelling feeling to support this cause that you think is gonna get you a bunch of

positive attention. And you're gonna be on the right side of history and all these narratives that you, especially from the left in Hollywood, like they're all in on whoever the fuck is the Democrat, always, 100%. There's never a call from the Hollywood machine to support any Republicans. I've never seen it once. Yeah, never, never.

So it's like you realize that, and that whole business is based on getting picked. The whole business is not necessarily merit-based. There's a lot of brilliant actors you never hear from. There's a lot of people who can do that. But they don't get chosen for roles, and everybody everybody knows this that you have to sort of socialize I'm or you don't get chosen. Yeah, because there's a lot of competition for the roles. That's why I say like When you went so unpowerful in Hollywood who's able to make to choose these roles calls one of these celebrities they know the deal

Yeah, there's no no threat is necessary Well, you could see it in real time like with Dennis Quaid when he made that Reagan movie and they wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms. Yeah. They were banning ads for it. Yeah. For what? Because it was an election year. Like what are you talking about? It's about a guy who's dead. Yes. Guy was president a long-ass time ago. Like what do you say? How is this, how does this have anything to do with the election year? Yeah But it's the punishment. It's like you stepped outside the line. You supported the other guy Yeah, you'll do the problems. You'll just you'll just never you'll just never get a call again for a movie or you know concert

Or whatever it is. Yeah, which is crazy. That's the issue. I mean we used to allow people to be a Republican and still be a movie star. Reagan. Reagan. Yeah, but Clint Eastwood. Yeah. Like during the Obama administration, Clint Eastwood was like an outspoken Republican

and yet was a giant movie star. And people's like, ah, it's Clint. It was allowed. You were allowed to have, there was a variety of different opinions. Charlton Heston, there was a variety of different opinions, Charlton Heston, there was a variety of different opinions you were allowed to have. But now you're not, now it's just like, and once Trump got into office,

he became this focal point where all logic was thrown out the window, and it's just, Trump is bad, you have to attack Trump, Trump is right, right wing's bad, everyone right wing is bad, Christian's bad. It's just strange. Yeah exactly. So well I'll say it again man. I think this is the last election. If Trump doesn't win, this is the last election. I think you're right. Yeah. I think you're right. I think people and a

lot of people are waking up and realize that that have been lifelong Democrats guys Like bill ackman guys like chmoth exactly Tulsi garrick switched over to the Republicans Like there's a lot of people who their whole life they've been left-wing and they realize like I can't do this anymore I used to be Democrats. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's nuts. It's nuts man and You know, I mean I think the things we want are just pretty basic. It's like we want individual liberties, and we want opportunity. America remain the land of freedom and opportunity.

So we maximize people's personal freedom. The government can't barge into your house and kill your fucking pet. That's fucked up. And that you succeed as a function That's fucked up. And that you succeed as a function of your hard work and talent, not anything else. Not race, religion, sex, doesn't matter. The basic stuff.

And then- What did you change the acronym DEI? What did you change it to? Oh, D-I-E. What is it? Die. I mean, because diversity, inclusion, and equity is D-I-E. But didn't it change it to dedication, excellence, and...

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we want America... America being the land of opportunity means that we have an environment where you succeed as a function of your hard work and skill. And that's radical Your right wing now, yeah, you know, I'm like, okay great for me right away. I don't care

So, you know, and and you we you're not a real country unless you have secure borders. You're just a fake country So we need we and our cities are unsafe and dirty like You know my mom was telling me my mom's like pretty red-pilled at this point But but you know what's gonna red pill you really really fast is is having your friends get assaulted on the streets in New York Yeah, and and that happened to three of her friends this year. You got assaulted on the streets in New York. Just walking around. Yeah, and Nobody got arrested, nothing. Nothing happened. Well, the morale of the police is depleted substantially. For sure the morale of the police is depleted.

And then also, if you're a police officer and you're arresting someone who's violent, you're putting a life at risk, obviously, because they might, you know, sometimes they'll try to kill you. And then if you know that arresting this violent person, they will be immediately released by the DA, which happens in New York. Ellen Breig doesn't prosecute people.

Then why should a police officer put their life at risk to arrest someone when they know they will not be, they will just be let out immediately. It's pointless. It's like the frigging Joker. It's like the Dark Knight, the frigging Joker is in charge. The criminals run free and the citizens are arrested.

This is why I keep coming back to this, I'm still pretty shook about the friggin squirrel thing it's like yeah that at gunpoint forced the guy to like stay outside his house while they got his pets and killed them meanwhile you know violent felons are running free and this is in New York States are running free this is a joker yeah itoker. The law-abiding citizens are arrested and the criminals are free. This is fucked up, guys. Just the fact that they have the resources to do that when they have all the crime that

they have. You have the resources and the government resources to go kill someone's quarrel? Yeah. This whole idea of this government efficiency agency. The government, yeah. I mean, quote whatever you want. What do you want to call it? What do you call it?

I mean, I think the funniest name is DOGE, the DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency. Yeah, I mean, the idea is pretty simple, is that like we've got this suffocating massive federal bureaucracy and we need to you know that is and the government's government spending is like bankrupting the country you know our interest payments on the national debt now exceed the Defense Department budget so which is and the defense of our budget is like a trillion dollars a year. Interest payments on the national debt are now higher than the Defense Department budget and growing like every month.

So it's like it's not like, like basically we're on a path to bankruptcy, America's on a path to bankruptcy. So we have to cut government spending or we're just going to go bankrupt, just like a person would if that overspends. And then, but it's even worse than that. We're spending money on all these government agencies. And I actually asked the AI how many government agencies are there, and the government isn't even sure how many government

agencies there are. So it's somewhere around 450, depending on what you call an agency. At the federal level, that's almost twice as many agencies as years that America has existed. So we're creating agencies at roughly two agencies a year. Wow. Yes.

So this is insane. I bet there's like, I wonder if there's even one person who could even name all 450 agencies at the federal level. There might be no one. But there's hardly anyone, let's just say. I bet most people couldn't even name like a hundred, you know. So this is crazy. So we've got this suffocating, this vast suffocating federal bureaucracy that just gets bigger every year. And eventually you get to the point where everything is illegal. You can't get anything done. So what can be done?

Obviously the president has a lot of power, but how much power? And what can be done in terms of like eliminating agencies, eliminating waste, eliminating... Yeah, well, I mean, so like if Congress has created an agency, then often if you look at the law, the law is like pretty simple, like the agency has like a very simple task, but then that agency over time vastly increases its authority and starts doing things that were never authorized by Congress.

That's happened with pretty much every agency. So yeah, you'd have to still keep an agency. You'd have to match the law, but you can curtail the agencies to be much smaller and say, you've got to stick to what Congress authorized instead of all this other stuff you're doing, which I think makes sense. And so is the other stuff they're doing just essentially bureaucracy run amok, or they just create jobs and create things to do and create a meaning for their existence? Yeah.

It's like a tumor. It's just going to keep growing. Jesus Christ. And so, I mean, for SpaceX, Starship was sitting on the pad the rocket with the giant rocket We could build the rocket faster than they could process the paperwork to approve the launch to so we're sitting there for two months But do you think that they're doing that on purpose to fuck with you I can't I mean Maybe a little bit. I mean that was also not be cool But the I mean, that would also not be cool. But another way to think of it is like,

the amount of paperwork is gonna go roughly with the square of the number of agencies involved. So, because they will have to meet with each other. So like I say, in the best case situation, if you've got like, if there's like, if you're dealing with one agency, that's one thing, but if you've got to deal with five agencies and the agencies will have to meet with each other, now you've got like, you know, 25 different, you know, meeting configurations that have to take place. It's just everything just, you get just hardening of the arteries. You just can't make progress. have to take place.

Everything just, you get just hardening of the arteries. You just can't make progress. Like this is why we can't build high-speed rail in America. It's basically illegal. Right. So this has been, the argument has always been that we need regulation because we need to protect the environment, we need to protect people, we need to make sure the rule of law is followed, so we need a certain amount of regulation.

We do. But overregulation is a giant problem. That's a big issue in California. Yes. It's a huge issue anywhere where bureaucracy has run amok. They make it very difficult to get anything done. Yes. What happens is every year there are more rules and regulations created. And in the past what

has served as a cleansing function for rules and regulations is war. Because like you like what we're gonna lose if we don't kind of clear the decks. But we haven't really had an existential threat of war in the US. We've had prosperity for a long time which has resulted in a massive build-up of rules and regulations every year. And to the point where, like I said, like everything's illegal, you know, and it's not like any one regulation is the problem. It's like it's like Gulliver being tied down by a million little strings.

It's not like any one string is the problem, but you got a million of them. So we have we've got to clear the decks here. And I'm not saying we shouldn't have regulators. I'm just saying we've gone way too far. Once you think of regulators like referees on a field, you know, a sports field, you don't want to have no refs, you want to have some number of refs, but you don't want to have way more refs than players. You don't want to be like, well, you know, the running back couldn't complete the

fast because there were too many regulators in the way because the football field is full of regulators. Yeah. You know, it's like you can't even play the game. Right. That's the issue we've got right now. Well, that's a great analogy. You can imagine a football field that's filled with referees. It's like the football field is full of refs you know yeah yeah that I've seen criticism of this idea of you coming up with this department of regular like firing a bunch of people and what would happen and how would that work but the criticism doesn't make any sense to me because if there is if you measureably if you can prove that there's a lot of wasted time and resources Which I think is pretty easy to do and if you could say that this is not the most efficient like the most efficient

Businesses are generally private businesses or a company because they kind of have to be in order to stay profitable Yeah, the government doesn't have to be profitable right they don't have to be efficient. They don't have competition Yeah, so if you're making cars and your cars break down, they suck, and someone makes cars, the cars are better, they're going to succeed. So this is the free market. The government doesn't have this problem when they're in charge of certain things that could probably be better served by the public, by the private sector. Yeah, absolutely. Well, look, I just think we've gotten, we got far too many government agencies The federal bureaucracy has gotten out of hand and we just need to pare it down to a sensible level And if it turns out that like the some regulation or agency that was doing something useful we can put it right back No problem. Like it's like oh that regulation was important. No problem. Put it right back Right, so that actually no, right but be But to be able to look at it logically and objectively.

And you were also floating around the idea of offering a large severance to the people that you're gonna have removed. Like a couple years or something like that, is that what you're saying? Yeah, I mean, these are again just ideas, but I mean, the point is not that people suffer economic hardship, the point is just that

there are more productive things they can do in the economy and it'd be better if they did these other more productive things and we didn't have this vast federal bureaucracy. So, so like, so I was like, ah, you know, maybe like a couple years of pay would be good. And then they could take a vacation, they could take another job and get double pay. I mean, it's not like a... It's not going to create an economic crisis. I think it's actually going to be really good, I think, because we can... People can move to where they're making products and services that are more useful to their fellow human beings. The problem is if someone has like a 25, 30-year career of being institutionalized, you're essentially like a part of the government system.

You've sort of programmed your life and your career to be a part of this bureaucratic system. And then you're like, nope, you have to go out and compete in the free market. You're like, huh. That's scary to people. But you have to be valuable. You have to actually be valuable. Yeah

Yeah, I mean, let's look at like, you know, wherever the government pension and stuff. They're not gonna be you know In tough, I think they'll be good financial shape. How are you gonna have the time to oversee all this shit? Well, I'm pretty good at Improving efficiency, I mean I good at improving efficiency. I would say so. Yeah. But still, this seems like a giant undertaking. Yeah.

I'll probably need to beef up security. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. But like I said, no one's going to experience, I think, economic hardship that's, they'll be fine. People do find other roles. I mean, you can look at sort of, you know, like when East Germany and West Germany got back together, you know, everyone was basically working for the government in East Germany.

And it was really inefficient. And that, like, their economic output was like, in East Germany, was like a quarter of what it was in West Germany because everyone was working for the government. The government's fundamentally inefficient. The best example is probably North and South Korea, right? Yeah. People are starving in North Korea and South Korea is incredibly prosperous. And it's the same people, just different operating system. Right. So, you know, it's just like you just want to move people from, you know, less productive

things to more productive things. Because you can also say like in the limit, like let's just say, let's consider the other direction where we moved a whole bunch of people that were in the private sector doing, making goods and services and we moved them into the government as regulators. Now they stopped making those goods and services. So the stuff they were making is no longer available. Now they're just being regulators. Like, is that a good thing? That's not a good thing. It doesn't sound good.

No, it's not good. It doesn't sound like there's a real market for it. Like, you're creating jobs that don't necessarily need to be there. They're all these fake jobs, basically basically and that doesn't make sense. So look we gotta do this because the country's going bankrupt. Like if we don't take action, dollars are gonna be worth nothing and the interest payments which are already 23% of all government income, including income taxes, tariffs, and everything,

is just going to pay interest right now. And that number is continually rising. So if we don't do something, the entire government budget will be paying interest. There won't be money for anything. No, there won't be money for social security. There won't be money for Medicare or nothing. That's where we're headed.

That's what bankruptcy means. Yeah, that's such an insane concept. Yes. Let's say, hello, wake up. We're headed that's what bankruptcy means Yeah, that's such an insane concept. Yes Um, let's like hello wake up Wake up and if somebody can tell me to can show me like pencil out the math to show me how this works I'd love to hear it. But but I'm just like listen, I'm looking at the numbers here and I'm like if we don't do something America's toast. It won't be money for anything. Trump likes to talk a lot about a lot is tariffs. Yeah. What are your thoughts on tariffs? I know that's very controversial to even people, economists, they disagree, some agree, some think it's a good idea, some think it's a terrible idea. What do

you think? I think you need to be careful with tariffs. Like the, I mean I deal a lot with like supply chain issues. The global automotive supply chain for Tesla, for example, is incredibly complex. So when there are sudden changes in tariffs, then you're like, well, we've got a factory somewhere else that's making a part that goes into the car. Now if that part's suddenly twice as expensive, it like messes everything up, you know? So you wanna be, have tariffs be predictable so that companies can adjust their supply chain. I mean, I think companies are more than happy

to increase manufacturing in America. It's just that you can't do it instantly. So if you put up giant tariffs immediately and don't give companies a chance to build factories in America, because you've got to move atoms. Like you've got to build a building. You've got to install equipment. You've got to train people. That doesn't happen instantly. So you want to have a ramp so that companies can adjust and build the factories and train the people and get the equipment in place. Otherwise, you basically just shock the system, and it breaks.

Bad things happen. So I'm against sudden giant tariffs, because it's an impossible response if you've bad things happen. So I'm against like sudden, sudden giant tariffs because they're, it's an impossible response if you've got to, you know, move a thousand tons of equipment, you know, you can just, in some cases, collectively millions of tons of equipment. You just can't do that overnight. It's literally impossible. So I think we want to be thoughtful about tariffs and give companies a ramp. I mean, I do generally agree that America should do more manufacturing.

I'm a big manufacturing guy. I love manufacturing. So I spend a lot of time in the factory. We've talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing and how complicated it is and about most people aren't really aware of something that's as complex as like, say, building a Tesla. Yeah Manufacturing is super hard and complicated. So You know like a lot of people just they've never been in a factory or they don't know where how think how difficult it is

To make things and that you know for a lot of people I think just ketchup comes from the store You know like the store like just has a like this is like people like for a lot of people who've been in academia Or you know for all these like socialist communist types like they've never actually made anything So that they they're operating on the premise that there's this magical horn aplenty that just outputs goods and services And if someone's got more goods and services than someone else's because they took more from this magical horn aplenty I'm like guys. There's no magical horn aplenty the the There's there's no cornucopia. It's actually goods and services come from people working collectively, doing a lot of hard work to produce the goods and services that you like and that you need. But we've become very accustomed to these things happening overseas.

I mean, America is still the second biggest manufacturer in the world. So it's not not, we still make a lot of stuff, but we could make more. Probably should make more. I think we should value manufacturing a lot more in the United States than we currently do. Well, it'd be very nice if we were completely self-sufficient, like medicine,

like there's a bunch of different things that get manufactured overseas. It was a huge problem during COVID because all the shipping was shut down. Yeah, I mean, you don't wanna say like, so there's a lot of merit to the economics of comparative advantage. Like, so if you're completely self-sufficient,

what that means is that you make all the stuff yourself, and even if some other country is really good at making something, you still make it yourself, which means if some other country is really good at making something, you still make it yourself, which means you're gonna have the inferior, more costly product domestically. Right, like Soviet Russia. Yeah, like trade improves prosperity. This is important.

So you don't actually wanna make everything yourself. And you can run this, like you can think of this thought experiment on a micro scale or small scale and then expand that and say, at what point does the thought experiment no longer prove to be valid? Now let's consider the case of you as an individual. Imagine you have to do everything yourself.

You have to farm. You have to grow chickens. You have to farm, you have to grow chickens, you have to do eggs, you've got to build your own house, you've got to do your own electrical repair, your own plumbing, everything yourself, everything. Now that would be impossible. Okay, now let's expand it to, okay, there's ten people. Now you're gonna have some specialization of tasks. Okay, well maybe one person can be really good at construction, another person can be good at farming.

It's like, but it's still, 10 people's not enough. So like, let's go to 100 people. Now let's go to 100 million people. Now let's go to a billion people. And you still get the economics of specialization, like specialization of labor, where people become experts at particular things, still matters at a billion people, or at eight billion people, which is Earth. So you still want, you do want specialization of labor.

You do want countries to be really good at a particular thing and make that thing. Also it encourages innovation if you have competition. If the Germans are making better cars, we have to make better thing. Also it encourages innovation if you have competition. If the Germans are making better cars we have to make better cars. We have to compete with them which is like one of the things that happened during like the 80s and 90s and America was making crap cars and Germany was making much better ones. Yeah, exactly. I mean, yeah, the Japanese car, I mean, yeah, I mean basically American car industry got really lazy in the 70s and 80s and and then the Japanese and German car companies came in and just clearly cleaned the clock, you know and

When there was like a an old joke from the that that is kind of telling It's a very old joke Where it's like why did the Japanese car companies beat the American car companies? Well, it's like well that in the Japanese car company you had eight people rowing and one person steering. And in the American car company you had eight people steering and one person rowing. If this was a boat. So imagine a boat race.

Yeah. Boat race. Japanese boat. You've got eight people rowing and one person steering. In the American boat you've got one person rowing and eight people staring. And when the American car company loses the race, they fire the rower. And it's like, okay, that was actually kind of true. Everyone wants to be the boss and not everyone wants to do the work type of thing.

Yeah. One thing that a lot of people are concerned about is the potential disruption that's going to come about with automation and AI. That a lot of these jobs, manufacturing jobs, Teamsters, all that stuff, is going to be eliminated. What do you, I mean you're at the forefront of this, so how do you see this playing out and what do you think that can be done to mitigate a lot of the loss of purpose that a lot of people are going to feel, loss of income, obviously universal basic income is being floated about, but that seems to me to only be part of the problem.

Another big part of the problem is people losing a sense of purpose. Yeah, and now we're talking about something which is still pretty far in the future, you know, like... How far do you think it is? Well, I mean, it's probably, I don't know, 15, 20 years of a thing. So we've got like immediate issues. We've got short-term issues that are one to three years. Medium-term issues like five to ten years.

Longer-term issues which are like maybe 20 years. Longer-term I think there is this question if you have AI and robotics, how do you find meaning in life? If the computer can do everything better than you can and the robot can do everything better than you can. But we're still, we've got a long way to go before that. And we're, you know, and I do think it's like 80% likely to be a good outcome, like maybe 90. So I think everyone's gonna have their own personal robot.

And I think at some point, wouldn't you wanna have your own personal C3PO R2D2? That would be cool. So it's gonna be essentially just like everyone has their own phone. Yeah, everyone will have their own robot buddy. Like literally. Well, it'll be great if it protected you.

Like if you walked down the street of New York City, you have a Terminator with you. I don't know about the Terminator. Hopefully we gotta avoid, we don't want this to be the plot of a James Cameron, you know, we want more Gene Roddenberry than James Cameron movie situation. But it would be fascinating to watch some rich person walk down the street of New York

City flanked by two giant Tesla robots, jack Tesla robots that were there to protect you. Like Robocop or something? Yeah. But are they just fully robots? Somebody fully robot there to protect you from a bad neighborhood. Yeah. That would be very interesting. I Mean this is potentially see that yeah

Restaurants probably have no robot rules. You can't bring a robot Yeah, leave a robot. Yeah, leave your robot outside your robot standing by the table Man, if you're just gonna be wild, it's gonna be wild. Yeah, it's gonna be really man if you're just gonna be wild it's gonna be wild yeah it's gonna be really unpredictable like I don't think I mean you probably have a pretty good sense of it but I think most people don't understand the wave that's coming yeah I was kind of kind of completely drown society and change it forever yeah I mean it's which we have like said it's it's not like it's not gonna happen like overnight, but it's 20 years from now. I'm like I think it's still like 20 years from now

I think there's gonna be more more humanoid robots than there are humans Really yes More human eyes well, that's so crazy like so that's like more guns We have more guns and people in America will have more robots and people in as well. Yes, you have a bunch of old robots. Nobody wants anymore Yes Early versions or something In a historical timeline 20 years in the past has not been that big of a deal, you know

I mean, this is a big deal, but you go from like 1900 1920 not that big of a deal 1920 1940 Yeah, kind of a big deal 1940 1960 things start getting weird 60 to 80 Wow That's a big difference 80 to 2000. Holy shit. Now you have the internet 2000 to 2020. Whoa, this is nuts You have propaganda social media YouTube streaming 20 years from now like what are we even talking about? It's gonna be that much of a shift Like it's all accelerating and we're in the middle of it So it's very difficult to sort of like feel it while it's happening. Cause it kind of just feels like life.

And you just get adapted to the changes. Yeah. I mean, people's phones at this point are a super computer in their pocket, like an article that could answer any questions if people would take it for granted. Yeah, just normal. Yeah.

They get mad if it doesn't work. Yeah. It's like Louis CK's joke about using your phone when you're on a plane a fucking piece of shit. You're in the sky Floating in the air and now it will work with starlink to what's that it will work with starlink Starling the starlink connection. It'll be like being on the ground. Well. I was telling you how I use starlink when I was in Utah I was in the mountains of Utah. There was no cell phone service anywhere near. And we had full YouTube. We had text messages, FaceTime, everything.

Phone calls, it was nuts. And it was, it's this big, that's the car box. It's crazy. It's so light, when I brought it out there, like that's it, this is it, let's just plug it in. And the guys I was in camp with were like, this is Yeah, the whole camp was like sharing it. So like ten people. Yeah using the Wi-Fi signal, right nuts. Yeah And then You know, that's the beginning. I mean you what you're at right now is like what version this is Starlink mini, right?

So this is like a very small version. How much how much smaller can it scale down from that? well, there's an area that you need like the bigger the area the the more you can Like you're bad bandwidth. Yeah, cuz you're like trying to catch these like photons essentially so you can think of the like the you know the area of the of the ant of the antenna is like the more area you have, the more photons you can catch.

So, but we have a direct to cell capability as well that we've been launching that will turn on probably in a few months. That'll actually connect directly to a cell phone unmodified. But because the cell phone is a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna, it will be about a hundred times less bandwidth. But still, you will be able to do text messages, pictures, medium resolution videos, that kind of thing. One of the cool things about the new iPhone, the iPhone 16, I got it and I was in the mountains last month and I was text messaging with satellites Yeah, I messages right and receiving but just text. Yeah, just text. Yeah, it's still pretty impressive. Yeah

Yeah, I Mean, what are we what are we gonna be looking at a hundred years from now? I mean when you are a hard yes from now, I hope civilizations around Yeah, that'll be a win. Yeah Yeah, what are the chances that we fucked this whole thing up? 50% It's hard to say I mean I guess not like I don't think civilization will be totally destroyed unless there's some really massive global thermonuclear war.

But Stephen Hawking, he would say that there's at least a 1% chance of total annihilation every century. That was his rough estimate. But there's a much bigger chance of civilization being less capable than it is today. So you say like, well, because you look at say, you know, these various civilizations throughout history, whether it's like ancient Sumerians or the Egyptians, the Romans, like there's like a life cycle to civilization. They reached a peak and then they started subsiding.

So I think a bigger question is like, will our technology level be better or worse than it is today in 100 years? I think it's probably gonna be better. I think it's probably gonna be better. I think, but any estimates are gonna be so, there's so many dependencies. Like an estimate I think is, I'm not sure it has any meaning.

Because it's like there's so many things that can happen in a hundred years. Well the logical hope is always that people pay attention to history, and they recognize the patterns, and how civilizations have collapsed and they recognize what's going wrong in the current society and say, we have to do our best to mitigate this and we've seen this happen before. Let's course correct and let's sort of manage what we've got here now and maintain what

we've got here now because it's pretty extraordinary. This is what we're hoping for with this election. This is what we're hoping for with the future. Is that people can see we are on a bad path and something can be done right now and it might be the only moment in history where this is possible because if they do lock the country down and make it so that voting is kind of bullshit, you're only voting for primaries and the people that they put in the primaries, they're controlling that in the first place. You don't really have democracy anymore. You don't really have choice. You don't really have freedom. That's right.

Yeah, I think freedom is fundamentally at stake in the election tomorrow and we'll know. I think we'll know by the end of day tomorrow. I don't think it's gonna take, it's not gonna be like days after the election. I think we'll know tomorrow. Are you optimistic? I am currently optimistic but the biggest factor here is that men need to vote. That is the biggest issue. So I don't know what the reason is but men just vote at a much lower rate than women. I think it's like like 9% right someone just told me that today. It's a it's a big difference like and I'm just like saying this message to the men out there

Vote like your life depends on it because I think it does vote vote tomorrow like your life depends on it. Nothing is more important. I Agree. Yeah, listen, man, thank you for being here. I know you're busy as fuck, so I really appreciate your time. Again, I thank you so much for buying Twitter because I really do believe that you've changed the course of history. I really do think you've created a pathway where people can actually express themselves and actually exchange information that really didn't exist before and I think it was dangerous It is it is dangerous. Hopefully I live long enough to see my kids grow up and people on Mars That's one that's all I'm asking for here. I don't think that's too much Thank you. Alright. Bye.