The Joe Rogan Experience - #2238 - John McPhee

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

John McPhee, widely known as “The Sheriff of Baghdad” or “SHREK,” is a retired U.S. Army Special Operations Sergeant Major with over 20 years of distinguished service. He is the owner of SOB Tactical, a supplier of specialized training and tactical gear to civilians, military, and law enforcement.  www.sobtactical.com  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Good to see you brother. Yeah, how are you man? Great, great. It was nice to meet you at F1 and I really loved your episode of Sean Ryan. I fucking love that dude. Thanks man. Yeah, Sean is... He's the man. He's awesome. I love Sean I'm so glad there's guys like him doing this that there's more people like him that are like

Finding new ways to like, you know media is it's so wide open now Yeah, and it's not you don't have to get hired by a television station anymore You could just start your own shit and Sean's show is fucking great. Yeah, he's great Sean's I love him as a person Yeah, I love him too. He's great. He's an awesome dude. And I loved you on that show. But goddamn man, that show was crazy. Like your childhood was so nuts, dude. Hearing about you living in a brothel when you were 12 years old. Fuck dude, your whole story was so nuts, man. I was listening to it in the sauna this morning and I was like oh my god so I'm there cooking and yeah 95 degrees listen to you struggling usually do 20 minutes yeah kept going I'm like this life was so fucked up I

feel like I shouldn't bail right now I should keep listening I feel like like but I'm not the only one you know what I mean I feel like where I was in the army is full of guys just like that. 100%. Yeah and I think in some well fighters as well you know a lot of fighters I know like Sean Strickland a lot of guys I know had fucked up childhoods. I think it gives you an extra gear. I think when you can get through a childhood like that've got an extra place that you can go to that other dudes can't go to. And in your line of work, that comes in very handy. Yeah. Well, I think it works like this. I never heard it as an extra gear, but here's

the way I always equated it. You know you're going to get a beating and it's coming at five o'clock. You know, you know, after dinner, they they're gonna be hammered. And this is another argument and fight. And it's a pattern, right? And you know this as a kid, right? And what happens is you gotta take that beating and then like put your church clothes on, we're going to church. You know what I mean? And the truth is, like, I think my brother more than me, but I think my mom actually had him convinced that we were super bad kids. And like, you know, we were, I don't know, a couple of years ago, I was like, you know,

like, you ever met an actual bad, like four or six or eight year old? No, it's how they're raised. Right? It's all now they're raised. And then it was kind of like, I think it was an eye opener for him, but like, it was always our fault. Well, that's the thing. You can convince kids of almost anything. Like, I think it was an eye-opener for him, but like, it was always our fault. Well, that's the thing,

you can convince kids of almost anything. You can convince them that it's their fault. You can convince them that they're bad kids, and then they feel bad for the rest of their fucking life. They feel like a piece of shit. There's a lot of people out there that didn't do anything wrong, they're just raised by shitheads,

and for their whole life, they feel like garbage, and they don't know why. It's so hard to snap out of that too and it takes something for you to do that makes you feel valuable and worthwhile. You have to kind of like relearn who you are as a person. Some people never do. And then they find meth or heroin or something that takes the edge away and they can just exist. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you that was the army for me. Like the first time I ever felt like, like I fit in or I was with people like me. Right. Was when I was, you know, in Ranger Battalion. Yeah.

I think fighting is the same way. A lot of those guys, the only time they ever feel normal is when they're in a gym with a bunch of other savages. Yeah. It's like, guys who want to do that for a living, you know, generally something fucking terribly wrong happened when you were young that put this anger, this monster inside of you. Well, I tell you, I tell people all the time, Jiu-Jitsu is my sanity. Yeah. Jiu-Jitsu is meditation, man. Because if you are doing Jiu-Jitsu, you can't be thinking

about anything else. Right. So it cleans your mind up. You know, we were talking about bow hunting. Yeah. I think that's the same thing. I think in a different way. It's just when you're doing that, it's so difficult.

You can't think about anything else. Right. I love when I'm, I don't even care if I get or see an elk today. The places I go to get these elk, I could just sit there all day anyway. You know what I mean? The fact that one of these majestic beasts is going to walk 20 yards from me, fucking bonus. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? And I feel the same about jujitsu. I always like in juj-jitsu when someone does like what you call high-level jiu-jitsu to me as it's happening Like couldn't I don't care if you're smashing my fucking face. That was amazing. Are you kidding me? Like let's take a moment here

It's amazing that someone can do that. Yeah, you know, I remember when I was first starting jiu-jitsu I was like 30 years old and I thought I was a badass. I had kickbox, I'd won a bunch of taekwondo tournaments. I thought I knew how to fight. And I remember one day when I was a white belt, this purple belt just raped me. I mean, he was my size. This was what drove me crazy. He wasn't bigger than me. And he just destroyed me. Just destroyed, just did whatever he wanted. Triangled me, arm barred me, choked me. And I remember walking out of there going, I can't, first of all, what a like shift of like who you are in the world, knowing that someone can just do that to you, not a bigger guy, like someone your size can just, you're helpless. And then I remember thinking, I

gotta get good at this. Like that, having that as a skill, that's like one of the greatest things you could ever have. Like, because that's what martial arts was supposed to be when we were kids. Like that the smaller person could beat the larger person just with technique. Correct. Until Horace Gracie came along, you never really saw that. The bigger guys always won. And then Horace Gracie all of a sudden is killing people from his back. We're like, what is going on? This is crazy. He's losing. He's not losing. He's strangling some

guy with his legs. We're like, what the fuck is this? Yeah, I agree. I agree. I tell you, I met hoists like we, you know, in the early days we'd bring hoists and Horian was actually the first Gracie I met before hoists. Right. But we'd bring hoists and Horian was actually the first Gracie I met before hoist, right, but we'd bring hoist in and like watching these guys like You know we get like 60 guys up on the mat and this is hard to do and this is a lot of guys Because it's hoist, you know, and he would run through every dude Yeah, every dude and it was like not like not like it was a close match. It was like, whatever dude from the Defo stepped in front of him was the 12-year-old child

against the fucking an adult. You know what I mean? Like, he just fucking handled everybody. And I remember one of those times, he just fucking, I did something, and he cinched down on me like a spider, and I couldn't fucking move. And he goes, yes, I did not think of this. This is good move. And I was like and I couldn't fucking move and he goes yes

I did not think of this. This is good move and I was like, I don't even know what the fuck I'm doing You know what I mean? I wasn't even a white belt yet. It was just he's just fucking me up, you know But I knew like right then and there I was fucking helpless. Yeah It's like and like yo unacceptable, you know what I mean? Yeah, right unacceptable word. Yeah, you gotta learn this. You know what I mean? Unacceptable is the right word. Yeah, right, unacceptable. That's the right word, yeah. You gotta learn this. You gotta know some of it, you know what I mean? And even back then, we would all tell hoists,

because we were more Muay Thai, we would train a lot of Muay Thai, boxing, right, wrestling, a lot of wrestling, before the Jits, and we would tell hoists back then, as soon as you learn the punch, you are super dangerous, which is I think where it is now. Yeah. Well, I think wrestling is kind of, there's like so many elite wrestlers now that have learned submissions and that extra skill of being able to throw bodies around is another

level. I agree. Because wrestlers can learn Jiu Jitsu pretty easy. An elite wrestler, you take a guy like a Bo Nickel or a Daniel Correa, teach him Jiu Jitsu. They're gonna, Hamza Chamayev's the best example of that. You teach a guy like that submissions, he already knows how to ragdoll people.

So he has this ability to take everybody down and then on top of that, he's gonna break your neck. Like, it's like that extra, I think wrestling is like the foundation. That's the one thing, need more hot takes? Head to the FanDuel Sportsbook app. They've got more ways to bet, more ways to win, and more ways to cash out quick. You can cook up same game parlays on any MLB or soccer game all in one place, not to mention golf, tennis, and more. Download FanDuel and get more from North America's number one sports book. Please play responsibly.

19 plus and physically located in Ontario. Gambling problem call 1-866-531-2600 or visit connectsontario.ca. It goes to the ground or stays up. You know? Yes. And then once you learn submissions, which is pretty easy for a wrestler to learn, it's pretty similar. It's the same sport. I used to wrestle and it's like the cradle for the pin versus an

armbar, right? In my opinion. Sure. Dars jokes, all these different things come from similar positions. But then stand up, you know? You have to have stand up today because everything that I think, you know, I've been talking about this a lot. I don't think, I think when you have a fight and there's five rounds, say, of a fight, if a guy's mounted on top of a guy at the end of the first round, I think the second round should start with that guy mounted on top of you. I don't think they should start standing up because it doesn't make any sense. Like you didn't earn that stand up. That guy took you down, he got on

top of you, he's mounted on you, you're about to get fucked up and then all of a sudden you have a reprieve from the governor. Yeah. Reset. Because the round is over and now you're standing up again. And if you're a striker, that's your world, but you didn't earn that position. Right. It's one fight, it's not five fights, it's one fight. Right.

So why should you have a beginning of every round where you're standing up? Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. If I could change the rules, that's the first rule that I would change. I would say whatever position you were in at the end of the round, that's where you start. I completely agree with that. And I always feel like that it just fucks shit up. Yeah. You know what I mean?

And then you know this doing jiu-jitsu is like, seconds matter. And this fight could turn around in seconds, but those seconds can't happen if we stop this early. 100%. Yeah. I agree with that.

Well, the early days were wild, right? Because there was no time limit. Hey, that's what I watched. The early days is my heyday. Like I could not get enough. I was, you know, a fight dummy for Hoyce, for Sakuraba, who else? Oh, Hoyce. So, okay, I'll tell you a quick story about Hoist.

He comes out, we're doing jits with him. And I'm a new guy, so I'm like, hey, you could share my wall locker, right? And you got a wall locker, and you got like your towel, cause the shower's down the hallway, you know what I mean? Like, I have my clothes, right? And then, so Hoist put his family family pictures and I didn't notice this,

but they slowly did this. Him and my team re-tagged everything with like my last name and team numbers with Hoist, right? So they re-tagged all my gear as Hoist, right? They, Hoist put his kids' pictures up over mine, right? And one day I'm in the, I'm in my locker like, is this my locker? Like, what the fuck? What the fuck is going on? And I'm like, whose kids are these? And then Hoise is like, you know, yes, you like my kids? And I'm like, oh, those are your kids? Like, no, that's cool, right? Years later, I'm in Iraq. And I'm like, I got to go for like one of these surges into Fallujah with another squadron and like their ops are major calling me by name.

And it's like, I've been in Iraq like 30 seconds. These guys are calling me by name. Like what the fuck, you know? And then he was like, we're getting your stuff. It's on a helicopter. You need to get on this little bird. We're leaving like 20 minutes. And literally I got on a little bird.

They bring my kid over. I get my shit on, right? And they're like, yo, whose shit is a Royce? Is there a Royce? Royce? You know what I mean? And then like my bag is one, it's fucking still tagged with hoist his name. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. So you started training martial arts in when you were in the military? In the unit, yeah. In the unit. So did they have like, was it like technical training? Did they teach you? Did they have like real instructors?

How does it work? Yeah. So in training, when you kind of make it to the unit, there's a hand to hand program. A lot of the hand to hand program is program is traditionally like, you gotta cuff people. You know what I mean? Which is all Japanese wrist locks, which is a foundation for a lot of shit. You learn that stuff, like if you have a weapon, how to approach somebody, if they grab your weapon, what to do.

So it was all weapon-focused, more like self-defense. But I think back then in my day, in the 90s, it was still, bro, come at me like this. You know what I mean? And you're like, why the fuck would I stand like this ever? What the fuck was I doing that got me here? You know what I mean? Right.

So it was always some, back then there was a lot of hocus pocus. So we kind of had our own training program. And then as my years, the training program got better because we started getting hoist. We started ground fighting, you know. I think the premise for everything they taught in my day when I was a student was like, you know, weapons retention, Japanese wrist lock to get someone cuffed, you know, two man cuffing procedures, searching, and then like how to defend yourself if someone grabbed your weapon or if you went to the

ground, right? Right. Which is all stuff you have to know. Right. But there wasn't a lot of like just one on one. No, no. It's like, you know, you're in the gym, they roll out the wrestling mat and it's like, okay, come at the guy like with your rifle.

You know, a bunch of fucking white belts basically like out there fucking around. Was it like, there was a system like a training system? There was a system back then and the system was really, I think kind of four things without really knowing what they did back then. I went through the training, but I don't really know what the hand-to-hand was back then until later when I was like in the hand-to-hand program or fighting with guys, you know what I mean? But I would say this, back then I'd say it was wrestling, it was Muay Thai, right? It was a little bit of Japanese wrist locks and some Filipino martial arts.

Oh, like Kali? Kali, yeah. We had guys that would do the sticks. I know a little bit of the sticks. You know, like, first time I got smacked 37 fucking times around the head was another guy with his sticks. It was like, what the fuck was that? Like, how do these sticks move so fucking fast? Yeah, dudes are good with that are very impressive. Yeah, super impressed. So I think that was really the foundation like, and you know, maybe like some, I don't know, like dirty boxing, I would kind of imagine, you know what I mean? Yeah, clenching, punching, stuff like that. Did how did the Filipinos develop that stick

fighting? Like, where did that come from? Weird that one culture is known for their stick fighting. Yeah. Kind of odd, right? Yeah. But I love all that, the stick fighting, what do they call it, pontucan or whatever, the dirty boxing they do. All very make your opponent off balance at the same time you can strike or if they are trying to strike you knock them off balance

I'm just I've always been so fascinated how different cultures have a completely different approach to fighting like the ties Figured out the best way to fight stand-up. Yeah, kick the shit out of the legs Yeah, fucking kick his leg elbow the fuck out of people in the clinch Yeah, plumb knees. Yeah, the knees the body knees to the face They figured out striking in a way that nobody else had is weird that they did it Yeah, and I think it's just because of the competition all the time in the betting Yeah Because like they were fighting so often and they had so much money on the line for fighting that they developed a very

pragmatic way of fight because they were fighting all the time. As opposed to like karate or any of these other things. I don't think they were really fighting as much. Well, we don't I mean think about America like prior to Mike Tyson boxing was kind of like Americans if they would have seen like Hickson Gracie, you know, Hickson Gracie would have been popular in like the 70s or 60s. People have been like, well, that's not civilized fighting. You know what I mean? Like, get your dukes up.

This has got to be fair. You know what I mean? Americans have a very fair sense of what fighting should be. Like Americans hate like dirty fighting. But you know, all the Muay Thai and and Kali and all that they that was all seen you know those guys would come from Asia fight around the states here if I can kick everyone's ass and people still weren't attracted to it. Did you ever see there's one fight that's like one of the most important fights in kickboxing where Rick Rufus who was

like the king of American style kickboxing like above the waist kickboxing fought this Thai guy. I forget how I can't pronounce the guy's name correctly so I don't want to butcher it. But this and Rick Rufus was fucking him up in the beginning. He dropped him. He had him in real trouble. Rick Rufus was really good but this dude just kept chopping at the legs, chopping at the legs and by the end of the fight Rick's in a heap on the ground. And his own brother, Duke Rufus, who became a world Muay Thai champion himself later and

became one of the best trainers in MMA. This is, this is the fight. What happened? Oh, that's how his name. Good luck saying that one. Yeah. But, oh, this is not, this is a different, this is like a compilation of a bunch of different people fighting. That's not, this is it, the fight that changed kickboxing. So this, this fight, well, this isn't it. This is a bunch of other shit. Go into the fight itself.

That's fucking Chuck Norris. I've seen Chuck in there. Chuck was legit. Chuck was legit. So this is the fight. So in the beginning, Rick Rufus, who's like this above-the-weight kicks He dropped some on the left hand Rick was really fucking good, man He was really good

But they just didn't know anything about the leg kicks and after the fight like his brother Duke was like well I don't think there's any skill involved in kicking the legs and he was saying that look he drops him again So he dropped him two times look like Rick is fucking him up But this tie guy just keeps probably had 200 fights. Yeah, he drops him again. So he dropped him two times. Looked like Rick is fucking him up. But this Thai guy, he's probably had 200 fights. He just keeps kicking at the legs. And after a while, Rick's legs are just dead. I mean, the Thai guy's getting lit up. But Rick became an unbelievable leg kicker himself after this.

But no one knew. They just didn't know. So as the fight goes on, and this is like a huge, like challenge match, you see, like he drops him with this leg kick after a while, Rick just can't move anymore. And this dude, I don't want to even run in a way. Well, no, he's, his legs are dead right now. And he's just getting every time this tie is kicking him.

He can barely walk. And then at the end of the fight He winds up in a heap Because he just doesn't know you know he doesn't know yet, and he's getting dumped to like look at these fucking low kicks Devastating low kicks and at the end of the fight He's just in a heap on the ground yeah his kick had no power there But the thing is like Rick was really fucking good back in the day. So when you, that didn't show the end of the fight, but at the end of the fight, he just,

he brutalized him with just low kicks. The ties had figured something out that nobody had figured out. And it's kind of shocking that this one area of the world, like this one small island, they figured it out. Yeah. Kind of crazy. Love it. Yeah, I love it too. It's just, and then Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, right? out. Yeah. Kind of crazy. Love it. Yeah, I love it too.

It's just, and then Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, right? Yeah. Yeah. Until, you know, Maeda comes to Brazil in like the 1930s or some shit. Whatever that was. Whatever that was. And then they go, the Brazilians are like, huh, I think we can fix this. Yeah.

And they start like, you know, because Elio was a small guy and Helio is like going, well, what about if we just did it this way? We fought with leverage and just instead of using strength, we use technique and changed everything. Yeah. Change martial arts forever. Yeah. I love it. I love all of it.

Yeah. I'll tell you that leg kick is my go-to in Iraq and Afghanistan. You know what I mean? Like I get about this far from you. This is good distance for me. You can't grab my weapons. But what I would do is I'd throw the tie leg kick, but I wouldn't aim for the middle of the thigh.

I don't care about your pain. I'd hit your knee and either it's going to break your knee or it's going to knock you out of your little fucking slippers. And then I just stand on your neck. Yeah, it's one of the most effective things you could do. You take away someone's base. And you know, that's the crazy thing about MMA is now we're learning that kicking in the calf

is actually even more effective than kicking in the thigh. Because there's no meat there. And you just slam a shin into that and all of a sudden your foot goes floppy, it doesn't work anymore, your leg's useless. It's crazy. And we've figured that out over the last five or six years, which is really nuts. Like Michael Bisping, who was a world champion,

told me he went his whole career without ever getting kicked in the calf. Wow. And that was like, you know, four or five years ago, he was a world champion. And went his entire career without getting kicked in the calf. Nuts.

It's nuts, it's like it's constantly changing and evolving. Yeah, like people find something that works and like oh, what about this? I love that. It's always evolving too. Well martial arts have evolved more in the last 30 years than they have in the last 30,000 years I agree. That's fact. Yeah, that's a fact. Yeah, that's kind of shocking you think about how long people have been fighting I don't know. I see this. I shoot every day. I teach people to shoot all over the country, all the time. And it's kind of interesting to me

that I don't think it works like that. You know what I mean? You would think people would have been doing this right the whole time, but there's a a lot of myth involved and and it gets watered down over time I think a lot of times even in shooting. Yeah. Like what are the myths in shooting? So fucking many man. Do we got the time? I fucking shred this shit. The NRA I go to I speak at the NRA shows like the NRA hires me I speak at the NRA show this year I actually got roofied in fucking Dallas at the NRA show yeah no shit do you know who did it

uh so is fucking this is crazy right but uh okay I have an assistant right I don't know she's like 30 blonde girl pretty girl her and her husband are are with me and I'm with like the surefire representative like, yo, sorry we got you roofied by the way. And then like some other guys, right? And we get done with the show and we just go have a drink or two and we're going into like the hotel restaurant to eat a nice steak dinner. You know what I mean?

So we get around to drinks and it was like well old fashions is what it was. Well old fashions. And my assistant's like, I sit next to her, she's like, I just can't drink anymore. You know what I mean? Like these are horrible old fashions. I just can't drink these anymore. And it was like, hey, we'll be at dinner in a minute. They got good booze at the good restaurant.

We'll get anything you want, right? So, she's like, okay. So, I was like, like here I'll take it so I held my cup up and then I kind of held my cup up the surefire guy her husband and she kind of fills us all up equally and So so somebody was trying to roofie her her right so yeah, this is in Dallas right so okay, so We go to dinner. I don't I, I get this Wagyu burger. It's fucking delicious. I'm kind of buzzed. I'm drinking good whiskey. You know what I mean? We're having a good time, right? I love good food, right? So I'm having a great time. Her

husband's at the end of the table and all of a sudden, and this is like within 45 minutes of that drink, which I also didn't know, right? So his head hits the table, boom, and I look at him and I'm like, is he okay? And then like, hey, you know how like, you know them blow up pools where you pull down the side and the water just kind of glides over the top? His mouth opens and it was just like, whoa, across the table, you know what I mean? And I was like, I pushed it away from the table so it didn't leak on me and I was like, we gotta go. You know what I mean?

It's time to leave, you know what I mean? I'll get the check by the front door or something, you know what I mean? But it's, we definitely, it's time for us to leave. And you weren't feeling it yet? No, I wasn't, I didn't feel anything yet, right? So, okay, so it was like, I've never seen this happen to this guy ever right? So he this isn't him like so it's kind of weird, right? So my assistant's like hey, I'll take him up to the room

I was like, okay. Well, we're gonna go have a few more drinks at the bar, right? So me and the other guy go to the bar. She goes up to her room, right? I don't know any of this is happening, but as soon as they get to the room, head of security's knocking on the door. So my assistant answers and then I guess the guy was like, is there a guy that threw up in the restaurant here? And she's like, he's in the bathtub naked right now. And then the head of security like, hey we watched the tapes, ton of info comes out. Right? So I don't know who did it. I think so but like and then did it tell you? No no no they they

talked to my assistant and then her husband right like so I go down to the bar right I put my credit card on the bar and like I fucking party till all hours of the night you know what did I learn if you roofie me? Like you're gonna wait six hours to get that booty cuz once you give me drugs, I want a party, baby You know what I mean? Like So I'm out like I don't know what the fuck that the surefire guy fucking Peters out on me I'm probably just in the lobby alone like Fuck I don't know. Do you know what was in it? Fuck? no, there's just something it wasn't necessarily roofy roof and all yeah

I have a be something. I don't know what it was so The next day we check out right shows over we check out so My assistant's knocking on my door right and I'm a get-up-early guy I do my cardio or you know, so I'm normally up early and she's knocking on my door, right, and I'm a get up early guy. I do my cardio, you know So I'm normally up early and she's knocking on my door, right? So I answer my door and I'm like thinking the fuck is she doing here so early, right? Both of her and her husband And she's like, you know, I'm glad you're okay. And I'm like, uh, what you know what I mean?

And she's like what what she looks she's looking at me. She's like Not you too. And I'm like me too. What you know what I mean? I'm's like, what? What? She looks, she's looking at me. She's like, not you too. And I'm like, me too. What? You know what I mean? I'm kind of foggy, right? It was like fucking, it was checkout is after checkout time. I slept till like fucking one in the afternoon. The next day I had the worst fucking hangover ever. Like if that was Rufies do the hangover, I understand why people don't do them recreationally, you know what I mean? Like the worst fucking hangover so she's like Let anybody get tested to find out what it is. Mm-hmm. No, they had to fly home that afternoon They got me in my Sprinter van. I had to go do a class like somewhere else. I was on the fucking road

So like she got me they drove me to breakfast got me something eat, kind of sober me up a little bit, right? And then they went to the airport, dropped me off and I drove somewhere else in Texas. I was working there. And then, you know, the head of security talked to her and her husband called them a couple days later, check on and make sure they were okay. But long story short is we had a round of drinks that none of us ordered come to our table. And they came to our table from the same waitress that we had, you know what I mean? So somehow we got a round of drinks and we even paid for them. And when I got the bill, like, I don't know, we had two drinks and we were getting ready to go. And then a third one came and I just figured someone one of these someone ordered it

You know what I mean? It'll be fine And then I just paid for it all didn't not even think of it and so did the security know who roofied you? I think so I think so I think they told my assistant. I think they and you didn't ask her no Yeah, I think it was like a targeted thing where they just fucking rob you Yeah. I think it was like a targeted thing where they just fucking rob you. You know what I'm saying? I don't think, I mean, all right, first and foremost, I think everyone's trying to burgle booty holes this day and age and you got to keep your safe. So there's that right. But I also think like, I think it was like, they know all these people are

in for these conventions. so they try to drug somebody and just rob them. You could have just took my, I had a handage in my wallet. I got, you know what I mean? Fuck it. It wouldn't, there's not a crime. He handed me. It happened to a buddy of mine recently.

Oh yeah? Yeah. He met this girl and they go back to his place and then he wakes up the next day and he's robbed. Stole his Rolex, stole $25,000 in cash from him, but he got tested and he had I think it was Xanax She piled a bunch of Xanax into his drink and he was just out Didn't know what the fuck happened came to the club afterwards. He was like all fucked up came to the comedy club He's a comedian Hans Kim. Shout out to Hans

Hilarious guy. So he's like something happened. I don't know what happened We're like, hey man, I don't know what happened. We're like, Hey man, go to fucking go get tested right now while it's still in your system. So he goes and gets his hair tested and they found that there was roofies in them. Damn. I didn't even know you can be tested. Yeah, you can be tested. Oh shit. But you there's like a time period if you test hair, it'll like last a little longer. And I think he laid waited a day so they had to test hair. But within a certain time period if you test hair it'll like last a little longer and I think he laid waited a day so they had to test hair but within a certain time period they could test you and find out what it is and they said did you take

any Xanax he's like no like you have a lot of Xanax in your system and apparently that's one of the things that they give people to rob them. Dang does it cause a hangover? I'm sure. Fuck. If you're gonna drug me. Anything that's gonna whack you out. Drug me you know if you're gonna rob like, I just want to say this to the world. If you're going to fucking rob me, like, give me the non-hangover shit. You're getting my shit anyway. But what is the non-hangover shit? Fuck, I don't know.

Whatever that shit is, you know more about drugs than me. I was in the army my whole life. I don't think it exists. Damn it, Joe. I think it's prescription stuff or GHB. I know a lot of people give people GHB. I've heard of that. That just gets you like, you don't know what the fuck's going on.

I've heard of that. I've heard of people getting roofied. If I was a woman, I'd be fucking terrified to accept a drink from anybody. Fuck. I've talked to so many ladies that have had their alcohol drugged by someone. When we go to bars, they keep their fucking hand over their drink all the time, even when they're turning around and looking away, because they just never know. Some guy just drops something in there real quick.

Next thing you know, you're going home with them. You don't even know where you are. 05 I had a buddy, he doesn't even drink. Someone convinced them to have a glass of wine, small town North Carolina. And the cops pulled him over, not far down the road. And he was like, I don't know what's going on, but I can't feel my hands. You know what I mean? And he's like, he's just a regular guy, you know, and they brought him back to the station and someone had put, I think it was a little bit of fentanyl or some shit in the wine. And like he left and he said he felt fine and he was driving. He said, like, I don't feel right. Even though like he doesn't really add one glass of wine like

My he doesn't even drink you know I don't even know why he had a glass of wine someone probably talked him into it You know what I mean? He probably didn't even finish it, but he's like he you know he said he was lucky He felt lucky fucking non-human people out there. I'm telling you that's one of the things I wanted to talk about today is like there's fucking real evil in the world and in Iraq where night Afghanistan you go into these fucked up places where they've been like I don't know fucking raping beheading people fucking tribal shit forever forever like there was buildings I didn't even want to fucking go in like you'd you'd go and you'd be like every fucking hair on my body just be standing up and I'm at the doorway and be like I don't even want to clear this fucking building you know be standing up and I'm at the doorway and be like, I don't even want

to clear this fucking building. You know what I mean? And I don't know fucking why, but I know there's fucking old evil in this world. Evil's real. It's fucking real. And if you've never experienced it, you can walk around delusional and think, oh, come on. It's real.

You can feel it. When I'm around real evil shit, only two places I felt real evil shit in my life is Gettysburg and Fucking in Iraq Eddie's Afghanistan. Yeah, I felt that like I did Because I felt evil before and it like makes me want to throw up it hurts my stomach I mean in the area of Gettysburg. Yeah. Yeah on the battlefield That father felt the same thing and he's not woo-woo at all He's like a real straight-edge guy fuck man, and then he said it felt so creepy I was almost gonna me and me and my my son were out there ghost hunting right and we were both gonna throw up and

I didn't tell him but like I had felt that feeling. It's crazy you said about Gettysburg cuz My stepdad's never said anything like that before and And he said just the feeling, it was so sad and creepy, and you just wanted to get out of there immediately. Makes me want to throw up that feeling. I think places have memory. I really believe that. Well, I think it's energy,

and I don't think it can be created or fucking... You've talked to science guys, right? Energy don't go away, right? Well, I think you just don't see it and you can't measure it, so you assume it's not there. But I think that's one of the reasons why when someone gets murdered in a house, they have to tell you about it.

Right? They have to, because people, they know. There was John Benet Ramsey's house. When I lived in Boulder, I lived in Boulder for a while, we were looking at houses to buy. And there was this one house that was really cheap for the house. I was like, this is a nice fucking house.

They had changed the name of the street so they could try to sell this house because everybody knew that it was the house that John Benet Ramsey had been killed in. They couldn't fucking sell the house. And we were looking at the house on like Zillow and we're like, oh, that's a beautiful house. Maybe we should go check out this house. And then we found out, we're like, oh, that's why they can't sell it. Like, oh man. Like they changed the name of the street to try to sell this house and then we found out like oh that's why they can't sell it like oh man like they changed the name of the street to try to sell this house. Fucked up. Should have just bulldozed it. They should have bulldozed it and then what do you do about the ground it's still there. Would you want to live in a place where

they bulldoze the house for a little girl getting killed? Fuck that. Not even not even joking about it. I don't want to live there. No one wants to live there. I don't even know what it is now. I mean, I don't know if anybody ever bought it. Yeah. I grew up in old houses in the Chicago area, you know what I mean? And like some of them houses were creepy for no reason and some weren't. You know what I'm saying? Like... Yeah. Yeah. There's something to that. But I was in Iraq and I was in one of them like, you know Uday and Kusay like fucking raped people them guys were evil You went to like their like their palace all that kind of shit all of them might yeah

I I carried the I carried their bodies off an airplane and had a garden Until they got cleaned up by the Morgan DNA tested but uh guard them until they got cleaned up by the Morgan DNA tested. Whoa. But, uh, them fucking guys, them palaces, like, they would pick up, like, fucking 12-year-olds off the street. They didn't give a fuck. They feed them to dogs. The lions. We found them fucking, so, ooh, they had lions.

And the lions were, it's not funny, but, I mean, it's kind of humorous, but I think it's funny. It's not funny, but I mean it's kind of humorous, but I think it's funny the Lions were like on The the army side the big army side and they were inside this fence, right? And then the Lions were like just lazy as fuck didn't care about no army guys and then one day I seen a lady and kids walk by and they're just behind chain link and Them fucking Lions went nuts and I knew like only that fuck yeah fuck yeah they were fucking evil so many horrible stories about those guys they would find a woman who was getting married and they would rape her and then

feed her to their dogs yeah or the fucking carp outside the palaces you know them big lakes full of these giant carps that just well gonna eat bodies like you read about yeah so I was down in one of those one night just cuz like I could be and I had my flashlight always been fascinated by ghost hunting by the way so I'm down there by myself just exploring you know what I mean and like fucking door slammed on me you know what I mean I freaked the fuck out and I'm the only one down there you know what I mean? And like fucking door slammed on me, you know what I mean? I was freaked the fuck out and I'm the only one down there. You know what I mean? Like Freaked me the fuck out man And the energy down in those fucking like rape rooms or whatever enough. I don't know the fuck you call it

Like they did fucking bad shit there. It's just like I don't know like it it like you ever ride like a roller coaster and it like turns your stomach? Yeah. That's how it feels to me in them rooms. I don't know what that is, but it makes me almost want to throw up. And the stronger it is,

the more I feel like I'm going to throw up. But, yeah. Those guys were such fucking monsters. It's just so crazy that that story repeats itself over and over again, like the sons of kings that grow up that way are always just super fucking evil because they have unchecked power from the time they're a child.

Yeah, yeah, I gotta be honest. If I could clone myself and I'd had like a mini me right now, I would abuse him just to make sure he grows up right. I would raise him right, you know what I mean? And when I say abuse him, I mean like... Force him to work hard. Yeah, fucking earn his shit his whole fucking life. I mean like, I had a guy, I had a,

I don't know what he was, I was in the Middle East somewhere and one of the guys asked me like, are American babies stupid? And I'm like, what? the guys asked me like our American baby stupid and I'm like what and he's Like our American baby stupid and I'm like why and he's like well in America Like there would be a fence at the edge of the cliff so the baby can't go over in my country Like the baby knows don't go by the cliff and I'm like, I don't know like fuck I bet they don't I bet the babies that don't know go off the cliff and they're those genes never propagate again Yeah, yeah, that's the most harsh form of natural selection Darwinism. Yeah, the most harsh form of it. Yeah. Yeah

Yeah, no fucking I mean kids that grow up outside lock-key kids like when I was a kid Yeah, you just can't left out of the house by fun and you figure out who's the child molester yeah yeah you figure out who's a creep who's what's dangerous don't go near the train tracks can't hear the train till it's too late stay away from the kids it gets hit yeah at the liquor store exactly yeah yeah I did the same thing you learned about danger yeah I tell you my I love I got key, I was six. I fucking lost it like the same day. My mom's yelling at me and she's like, you know, what do you got to say for yourself? I was like, I still remember, it's like one of my oldest memories. I was like,

I'm six? And she was just kind of like, yeah, I'm six. Like, I had it one fucking day. Like, I never carried a key in my life. Of course I'm going to fuck this up. She was like, we can't afford all these keys. But at the same time, I'm fucking six. So we ended up having to hide it somewhere. My brother wasn't good at fucking keys either. It's fucked up that I don't want that to happen to my kids. Like I don't want my, I mean my life was nothing like your life, but I was definitely like let loose in the

world, you know, and not really given any guidance. A ton of let loose with no guidance. But that's how you make a person like you. Like a person like you doesn't come from a home that has like, you know, you're coddled, you're taken care of, you're always protected. Yeah. The only way you make like a legit beast of a man is that that man has to go through a lot of shit through their life and then they come out on the other end hard. Right. It's the only way. Right.

You don't, you know, I've never met like a world champion fighter that came from like the happiest of childhoods. It just doesn't exist. Yeah. But I don't think a lot of, a lot of unit or special forces or Ranger guys like I used to call it the fatherless, you know what I mean? And it works kind of two ways. Either you had a dad, but he worked and he came home and he passed out and he woke up and he was gone before you got up. And when you got home, he was asleep on the couch or already out for the night because he fucking works fucking a lot of hours or you kind of just didn't have a dad you know what i mean right those people make special forces soldiers just like you know dad issues for a chick or put her on a pole those same issues and a dude puts them in special

forces yeah and i'll take the fatherless all day long. Yeah. For sure. Well, those are the world champions. I mean, that's Mike Tyson, right? Yeah. He was 13 years old, no family. Gets adopted by a guy who's a psychologist, who's a hypnotist, and is a great boxing coach, and teaches him to become this elite fighter.

And I kind of think that you don't become that guy unless you're dealing with all sorts of unspeakable tragedy and horrors right when you're a child well you wouldn't have that kind of focus without that right you wouldn't have that monster inside like you have to that monster has to grow because it needs to be there right yeah yeah I would say like and I don't know what the ratio is but I would say like one out of every fucking hundred or 300 is like the fucking high school quarterback who married the fucking prom king.

Very rare. Yeah. Very rare. I think I only knew one of those guys. Yeah, and those guys, I bet if you dig into their child or their dad, it's probably a little abusive. Yeah, or their mom or their- Or a brother. Yeah, something.

There's another thing, older brothers. It's like you wanna find the young brother. The young brother's the beast. I'm the a brother. Yeah, something. There's another thing, older brothers. It's like you want to find the young brother. The young brother's the beast. I'm the little brother. The young brother gets beat up by the older brother and just constantly in battle his whole life. Like so many fighters, the best fighters have like, like Chris Weidman's got a great story like that. Well, I mean, think about this. If you had a fight, your bigger brother off your whole life You would be good at jitsu. Why because you understand leverage you understand patience wait for the move

Yeah, take some punishment move later You know the deal also a custom to being in battle all the time, right with your brother, right? Yeah, Hickson was a little brother to holes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah thing. Yeah. And Horian. Yeah. Hickson is a, he's such a unique guy because he was like the first guy that figured out like that physical strength, yoga, all the gymnastic natural stuff that he did, flexibility. Breathing. Like, yeah, he was like a physical specimen on top of being super technical. So he had like both things. Yeah, he had it all way before people way before like, he, he knew the winning mindset

and how to keep that mental edge with all the other things and the fighting was just something that he grew up to do, I think, you know what I mean? Yeah, he had that samurai mind. And the fighting was just something that he grew up to do, I think, in my opinion. You know what I mean? Yeah. He had that samurai mindset. Yeah. I'm telling you, I think he like, I talk to a lot of people. I know some legendary guys from the army, right?

When he talks, it's like this weird time vortex. You ever talk to him like seriously? Oh yeah. Yeah. I've had a couple of podcasts with him. Wow. Like it's incredible, you know. I went over his house once in like 2000 and him and his son

and we were watching Coliseum. So Coliseum was like the last time he fought when he fought Funaki and we were watching all the different fights. He had a tape of it and we're watching it. And he was breaking down all the things that all these guys were doing wrong. It was such a fascinating education.

He was like, there's too much space. This right here, there's too much space. And he goes, he had this philosophy. Good accent, by the way. He goes, we started at a neutral point. We started at a neutral point. If I get to one, I'm not going back to zero. I'm going one, to two I'm going one to two to three to checkmate. He goes I'm not going backwards

He goes these guys they lose position they go for here go for there all this extra space And he was like breaking it down while we're watching the fights. It was such an education Love that. I was fucking amazing. It was amazing. Yeah, he's a he's a legend Oh man, like one of the great legends of martial arts, you know If you like go into the history of martial arts Hicks and Gracie will go down as you know There's a Mount Rushmore of martial arts legends him and hoist right up there Yeah, I agree with that and hoist to tell you like Hickson. He goes my brother was a hundred times better than me Yeah, well when hoist used to come to us, he would tell us straight up, I'm not the family fighter. I think what he told us back then was like, I don't know, Hickson was pride

contracts, UFC was different, couldn't figure it out. That's why Hoyce even fought, right? I thought that was kind of the deal back then, but that was a long time ago. Well, I think, Horean, there was a bunch of different thoughts on it. You know, Hoyst jokes around. He goes, he goes, look how beautiful I am. That's why they wanted me. But it was also because Hixson was very physically dominant. And the idea was like, let's have this guy that doesn't look physically impressive to

show Jiu Jitsu, to show the power of Jiu Jitsu. But if that doesn't work, then we bring in Hickson. But obviously, Hoist beat everybody. And then Hickson went over to do Japan Valley Tuto in like 94, I think it was. I used to love all those, the Valley Tutos, Pride. I thought that was the best. The great, the golden era of martial arts, because it's when everybody was learning. Like, holy shit, there's so much out there. Yeah, I agree. I loved every minute of that.

And then Phaidor Amelianenko comes on the scene. He's just like... Oh, Phaidor is my favorite. One of the all-time greats. He's another one. I mean, if there's the greatest heavyweight of all time, he's got to be in the conversation. I feel like back in the day, we'd be talking about fighting and it'd be like, man, I wonder if anyone's ever done this from from like the Mount, yeah, a feed or one like six fights like that. And then like, I wonder if anyone's ever done like something like this and like, well, feed or one is last fight just like that. And you're just like, fucking this guy, like, you know,

his prime, he was a monster. And so stoic, like his expression never changed. He gets head kicked. He gets suplexed, nothing. It's like no one's home in there, you know what I mean? Just didn't register, he was just a machine. Yeah, I loved him. I like when he, I seen an interview one time, remember his brother Alexander? Sure. He was like, Alexander is better than me if he just wouldn't party so much.

Yeah, he was an animal. And I was just thinking, fucking Fidoor saying his brother's better than him. You know what I mean? Well, his brother was bigger and taller and was a nasty striker, man. His brother was a vicious striker. Had good kicks too. Oh my God. He was fucking good, man.

But that was the days where everyone was just kind of figuring out what worked and what didn't work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had a Vanderlei, the Axe, whatever. Oh man. I started to love it. It was 9-11. It was also a time where everybody was juicy. The whole organization was like, I had a friend who was going to fight over there and he was

170 pounds and they said, no, we want you to fight at 185. Go do steroids. Like, go do steroids. He was like, what the fuck? He's like, they're telling us to do steroids. When Ensign was on the podcast, he told me in the contract, it said like in capital letters, we do not test for steroids. They're like, go have fun.

Come back yoked up. Come back juicy. Yeah. Everybody was juicy back then. Because it was the wild days. It was like the Wild West. They just wanted the best, most exciting fights possible. I think that's what people want now.

Oh yeah. You know what I mean? There's a real argument for that. I don't think the fans give a fuck about drug testing. You know, I don't think look, and I think this is for all like the Olympics. I get it. But the NFL, like seriously, why even fucking? Why? Why? What do you want the sport to suck? Baseball? That was the thing when they were doing like Mark McGuire and all that shit. Yeah, Sammy. So so yeah Why you test these guys? It's the most exciting thing is to hit a home run these guys are doing something that makes them better at hitting home runs Everybody should do that thing whatever the fuck that is think about how much more money that bring those organizations Yeah, but there was this thing back then that it was cheating

But what it really is is science like they figure out there's a way where you recover more, you get stronger, you get faster. Like, hey, do that, guys. And by the way, everybody else is doing it too. They're just like hiding it in some sort of a weird way. You know, they're just masking it and taking weird stuff. And there was, you know, that Balco scandal where they're all just taking his stuff called The Clear. So they had to think.

You never even heard of that? You never heard of that? No, I don't remember that. I had that guy, Victor Conte on the podcast who created the clear and what he was, he's a scientist and what he did is he bulk old labs. They figured out that when they're testing, they're testing for very specific metabolites. So they took steroids and then they changed it slightly so that it didn't show up in the test and they're giving them this stuff and they would all pass clear and they were all

just monsters like Barry Bonds. He was a monster. I met Barry Bonds in 1994. I was on this television show called Hardball and Barry Bonds was, you know, he was still a major league player, a big time player. He's famous. He's a regular guy. Like you look like a regular athlete. And then he started getting juicy. And then years later, he gained like 60 pounds and was just fucking smashing home runs. Like, that would be good. Like you should keep doing that, whatever you're doing. I think that's all sports. Yo, jump as high as you can take your fucking gear, jump high, run far, smash each other. Let's go. Well that's the enhanced games. You know, the enhanced games doing that. They're developing this whole protocol right now. And the enhanced game is going to let

people do whatever the fuck they want that works. And their idea is, we are going to develop the best athletes in every discipline. And then we're going to give them a lot of money. And we're going to like, fuck the Olympics. The Olympics is a giant scam. Because the the Olympics the athletes don't make any money and NBC and all these broadcast networks and the IOC they're making billions of dollars off the backs of these athletes hard work and no one is going to see them they're going to see the athletes.

I mean the athletes aren't even compensated. It's a crazy scam. It really is because it's not like no if no one made any money Including the networks including the IOC great great, right? That's not the case Yeah, someone's making a fucking shit ton of money, but it's not the people that are putting in the hard work It's the people that are pointing cameras at them. Yeah, it's the dumbest fucking thing of all time Yeah, so the enhanced games is like let's throw out the drug testing Let's encourage people to do whatever the fuck that works and let's give them a lot of money So like whoever wins whatever they give them a million dollars Yeah, and then you'll get like the elite athletes will be like, well, why am I wasting my time competing for free?

Maybe I blow out an ACL or herniated disc and my career's over and I don't have shit to show for it, or I can do steroids and then win and have money for the rest of my life. Yeah. I want to watch the steroid sports. Of course. You know what I mean? The enhanced league or whatever it's called, that sounds to me like the NFL's going away.

I want to see the mountain hit another mountain you know what I mean like let's go if they just got they told the NFL let's just say everybody get juicy fuck those guys are already freaks they're already doing it probably you know I mean I only imagine I don't know but my two cents is like you're doing it anyway just fucking go with it the way I understand it just don't talk about they allow they let them know when testing is happening And so then I'm gonna waste the fucking money. You know what I mean? Like phone it in let's just phone that in You know what I mean? Like yo, I took that drug test. Okay, click save some money for the drug test should be multiple choice

Yeah, the drug test should be we're just kind of curious if you've had any success and we want to know what works so we can recommend better stuff to people. Right, but there's this weird thing about you know protecting the athletes health like hey fuckface they're playing football. If you really cared about their health you would tell them don't play football. So true. There's no way you care about their health. There's no fucking way. Yeah.

It just doesn't make any sense. I mean, there's inherent natures of danger there. Concussions, knees, shoulders, right? Everything gets blown out. How about vaccines? How about you making them get vaccinated and they have fucking heart attacks on the field? Does that make any sense?

None. You don't care about their health. You're full of shit. Those guys didn't have to worry for a second about COVID. They're elite athletes of the highest order. Do you really think that something that is literally only kills like 0.03% of the people who get it and those people or most of them have comorbidities? Do you really think elite athletes of the highest order had to worry about that? Of course didn't it's all bullshit you don't care about them yeah let them get juicy yeah fucking juice it up let's go get that gear you

know what I mean hey let's take those piss cups and turn them in the fucking drink cups and serve them some whiskey in the locker room let's get this shit going and I want more fighting in my sports you know what I mean like hockey yeah I love cock the last sport that allows fist fights normally in the middle of a sport. It's the only sport that allows the occasional fist fight, which is kind of crazy. I live in North Carolina and there's a little local hockey team at Bragg and I go to a lot of hockey games because it's like seven bucks for a long time, you know what I mean? And they'll fucking blood on the ice on the Thanksgiving Day, you know They'll throw like they'll they'll have like a non-league team come in and it's fucking blood on the ice man

He's like the Southern Provisional Hockey League like I love this. It's just wild that that's the only sport where fist-fighting is allowed Yeah, it's kind of crazy because it's grandfathered in. Because it's basically bare knuckle boxing in the middle of a sport, which is real weird. Well then you got soccer where you rubbed elbows with a guy and he falls over. And you're like, what the fuck? You're faking it.

I have children. I know the faker. What the fuck? I'm a parent. You can't fool me. Well, anybody can could see it's the dumbest thing like a hand Yeah, yeah Yeah, they fall on the ground and they're fucking holding their side. They're holding their chest It's so dumb, but it's also one of the reasons why it's not really accepted in america

Because you watch that flopping we're like come on get up. This is so crazy Yeah, I totally agree especially when people watch football Yeah, watching guys get fucking waylaid. Yeah, 300 pounds super athlete. Yeah up and shake it off Yeah, and then they're back on the field. Yeah, the guys like adjust his helmet a little bit You know what I mean takes his mouthpiece out you Good fucking move on. I just started watching football literally this last year and You know when I see guys collide I fuck I've had so many injuries knee surgeries and shit and jujitsu injuries I see guys get hit I just like fucking

hold my knees I hold my back like oh it's the most brutal shit of all time a guy who's 290 pounds is running full blast and colliding with you with a hundred percent of his strength. Yeah Yeah, it's fucking crazy man. I used to when I was 38 I was a star major in the army and like I don't know hand-to-hand jujitsu kind of got boring for me So like I was looking for other hobbies I was at the PX and I seen like the Fort Bragg rugby team practices like Tuesday at 6 or something So I just went out there for something to do, man. And I'm gonna tell you, you think fucking jujitsu fucks people up?

Fucking go play fucking rugby. Matter of fact, stay the fuck away from rugby. Like it's fucking brutal. And like no helmets, no nothing, man. And like when I was a kid, I don't know if I can say this, but we played smear the queer all the time. Like, I don't know what you call that, but that's what it's just called when we were

kids. I come home, my shirt would be ripped. I'd get another beating because like you ripped another shirt. These are expensive. You know what I mean? But it's like, it's my brother's anyway, right? Not like he bought me a shirt. But man, it was like crazy.

My first practice, like the ball sitting there and one of the coaches is like, grab the ball and run. I just fucking grabbed the ball and just ran every one of these little motherfuckers over and then like guys are like man what college you play in? I was like none. I never played rugby a day in my life. My first game you know was like fucking in my third practice. You know what I mean? That's crazy. But in doing jiu-jitsu and fighting people in Iraq every night, like I thought rugby was kind of easy. The guys running at me and I just got to take them down, fucking double legs. And then I started getting more tackles than any

one of my coach, you know, they keep stats and be like, you had like 80 tackles a game. How do you do that? And it's like, double, double, double leg take down single leg maybe a trip yeah you know what I mean and but and then like one of the times you know one of the coaches was like hey will you teach us how you know how would you how do you normally tackle you get the most tackles and like double single legs so you basically teach them wrestling I just taught wrestling why don't they teach them that that would seem to be like I bet that I bet the pro level fuckers are doing that they have to like have to you Yeah, I mean kissing about this like I know a lot of linemen

Do like Cali for hand speed and stuff like that, you know what I mean, right? Cuz they got in the hand fight. So right. I know there's a lot of sports that use a lot of disciplines So I would imagine's a lot of sports that use a lot of disciplines, so I would imagine they would have to be fucking having wrestling practice or tackle practice. I would imagine they're doing same shit as everyone else. Just understanding leverage and how to manipulate a body. Right. Well, there's no pads.

So you can't come 30 miles an hour into this tackle. You might have to come in at 10 miles an hour, you know what I mean? Because you got no pads. Right. You know? Well, that's the argument against pads in football is that these guys, the only reason why they can play the way they are and collide with each other full blast is because they have helmets and pads on.

Yeah. Which is totally true. I want thicker helmets and more collisions. Let's go Come on. It would be a wild game if you had American football and no pads I mean, that's what they used to do way back. They had those little leather. Yeah Like you couldn't pay me to wear one of those get the fuck out of here with that I wonder how many guys died playing that Imagine how many concussions how many head-to-head collisions oh running full

blast and then you know if you're Samoan you're like some big giant dude you're gonna go head-to-head with guys cuz you know you're gonna win it yeah fuck every time so you're just fucking headbutting everybody yeah the army team has a lot of Tongans for bragg Tongans are paratroopers as people I don't know how that works but they are man. They all play rugby a Buddy of mine was like I was like, you know you how you know when when you start playing rugby He was like I was like three, you know Huge guy like I knew I knew I was doing pretty good at rugby

When the Tongans were like we'd pick they'd pick teams and all the Tongans would be like we want big John You can have the rest and I'd be like, yeah me all the Tongans would be like, we want big John, you can have the rest. And I'd be like, yeah, me and the Tongans, I guess I'm right. We'll fucking crush the people. But like, they start playing with like a coconut. Imagine holding a coconut and just going down ribs on a coconut. Like, and I'm like, why would you play with a coconut? And he was like, well, there was only one rugby ball on the island and the bigger boys had it. Jesus. Okay. Yeah. But yeah, I played rugby for a while and I stopped doing MMA to play rugby. But what I realized is rugby is way more injury prone and dangerous. So I kind of went back to Jiu Jitsu. Oh yeah. One-on-one is definitely you can control a lot more what's going on than a bunch of dudes

colliding into each other. I agree, man. It's a hard fucking sport. I know, rugby's awesome. It is awesome. It's weird how it never took off in America. It's kind of strange, because we love violence. You would imagine that rugby would be something

that we would have adopted. I think the only reason it's not popular is because of the time. It's like soccer. Once it starts, it doesn't stop. Americans want to go take a piss and get another beer and come back and then they want you to... You have to have commercials.

Yeah. That's the big thing about soccer. And the game never stops. It's tough to sell commercials because you can't stop the game. Whereas football, you have a fucking... You have half time, bro. You got a whole half hour. Well, you ever see the apps that just show you the plays of football? The whole game's like 12 minutes

of actual work. You know what I mean? 10 minutes. You know what I mean? Soccer, those motherfuckers are running the entire time. 80 minutes, let's go. And it doesn't stop. Yeah. You have to be in insane shape to play soccer. The cardio is just nuts. You're basically sprinting for the entire game. Yeah. I never played soccer, but I don't think I would enjoy it Well, we went to watch there the they have a professional league here in Austin and these dudes have these fucking quarter horse legs Yeah, they're like thin upper bodies

Gigantile eggs because they're just constantly doing plyometrics. Yes, I'll day renting and going side to side and left and right and Fucking crazy cardio, but it's never gonna sell in America if you can't have commercials. Yeah. I think that's why rugby's not popular also. Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. Maybe they just change the rules a little bit. Right? You know? Give us a little break every seven minutes. Well, it's kind of crazy. Here's what we're saying is rugby starts and stops without a time. That's the same thing we want for you

just said for MMA. Oh yeah. Right. That's the problem with MMA too, right? You can't have a no time limit fight because how are you going to get the next fight at midnight or 10 o'clock? Dudes would kind of fight to the death. Like if you get the best of the best today where they're so evenly matched and they're brawling for an hour. It could go four hours, five hours. And then it would probably end your career. Like at the end of it, you might not ever be the same again. You'd be spent.

Like you got one of those in you. Right. Because there's a lot of guys, like there's a fight and you could point to that fight and say he was never the same. Tony Ferguson, Justin Gaethje, a lot of people point to that fight. Justin Gaethje, better Tony Ferguson, so bad. He was undefeated up until that point, or maybe heje a lot of people point to that fight Justin Gaethje better Tony Ferguson so bad He was he was undefeated up into that board Maybe he lost a couple of times, but he was the boogeyman

Tony Ferguson was the scariest dude in the sport and then one bad beating and he was kind of never the same again Because one bad beating just changes everything. Yeah, he just never really recovered Yeah, well once you lose the mental edge, right? Like there's a little bit of that but there's also like a bad beating to the brain Like he got just he got hit so many times in his head a bad beating to the brain after a certain I mean no matter who you are if you're sparring and if you're fighting you're getting hit in the head Period and so over the course of your career, you're already accumulating a certain amount of abuse and there's one fight that could break the camel's back.

Like in boxing, I always point to Meldrick Taylor, Julio Cesar Chavez. Like Meldrick Taylor was the fucking man, won the gold medal in the Olympics, and Chavez just methodically broke him down and then stopped him in the last round of their fight. Like literally two seconds to go, Richard Steele stops the fight. And from then on, he was never the same.

It was just he took so much of a beating in that fight that he was never the same again. Yeah. I think that happens with soldiers too. I've seen a lot of guys who are like, we got mortared or rocketed and then next deployment guy doesn't want to, you know what I mean? So it's a mental thing. Yeah. I think there's a time where everybody says enough's enough, right? Rocketed and then next deployment guy Yeah, I think there's a there's a time where everybody says enough's enough right like yeah Whether you want to or not and then once you reach that point like coming back from that point, right?

Become that mental champion again. It's fucking long road Is there anything like you as a leader when you see a guy who's maybe crossed over in that way, is there anything that you would do to try to bring them back or is there nothing that can be done? That's a great question. Define bring them back. Define what's wrong with them. Right. I guess a confidence thing or just being terrified so like new fear being introduced You know a lot of guys think they're Indestructible yeah until they're not and then all of a sudden now. This is a new factor. Yeah, I used to teach tandem

Jumping and bundle jumping in the military, and I don't know if you ever seen my social media But like I'm in the sky flying and there's that huge barrel under me. I used to teach that and what would happen is if you had a bad jump, a you know bundle jump, you would have to cut away and we called it the nightmare right and you got to end the nightmare and this thing starts spinning you out of control. It'll be so many G's that like you'll pass out the parachute will open later right It'll be so many G's that like you'll pass out, the parachute will open later, right? You'll be fine. But we used to tell guys, right? Like fucking end that nightmare. Makes sense? Now, you're the captain of the ship, so a guy would have to end this nightmare, however he ended the nightmare, right? And then what would happen

is afterwards we'd review the video and I'd have to show a guy right and then We'd leave him in the classroom for a minute and we tell them. Hey gather your emotions Whatever you need to do and then get on the next plane Get right back on the horse get fucking back on that next plane. Yeah, you know what I mean and Guys would do that. You know what I mean a lot lot more SEALs needed that time than like unit guys because unit guys like, yo I'll fly this motherfucker up your ass we ain't gonna have no problems today son. You know what I mean? I'm gonna fuck it. I don't know I think the difference is that the unit is always more mature than SEALs. It's an older culture, it's older guys, more experienced guys, more methodical guys, more planned out.

So like in a lot of times, younger guys, normally the SEALs, they'll have their jump numbers, but they're like their core, they're what makes you you, confidence, dexterity strength fucking health It ain't there yet, and they kind of freak out once in a while younger guys It's a maturity thing I think normally happens at the seals most unit guys are pretty mature and have been through so much shit by the time They get to the unit that like you're probably unshakable by then but You see that in fights too like young undefeated guys who fight like a world champion who's like in their 30s and that guy breaks him down and then you see like

they don't know what to do when things are going sideways and then mentally they fall apart yeah yeah yeah that's right that's when the bad decisions will start you know what I mean? And the reality is, you got to snap your fucking self out of that. You got to fucking put your parachute back on and get the fuck back on that airplane. I had plenty of those jumps. I've cut away more. Fuck, I had a cutaway training for D-Day last year. If I can put my cutaway, you can see how fucking low I am and everything. You know what I mean? And I have procedures I have

another parachute like we're all gonna die am I gonna let it ruin my day kind of thing like let's fucking move on you know what I mean but how did you develop that mentality just over time I think that comes with what I just said is the core of a person and I think this what the army is really good at is develop in this core right in this core In this core right how do I develop your confidence? Well, I don't fucking know I couldn't even define fucking confidence because I went to Chicago public fucking school system But I could tell you this if I taught you to rally race car drive And you got pretty fucking good at it if I taught you jiu-jitsu eventually you're pretty fucking good at it I show you skydiving eventually you're pretty fucking good at it if I taught you jiu-jitsu Eventually, you're pretty fucking good at it. I show you skydiving eventually

You're pretty fucking good at it right wise because every one of these things I showed you world-class level and we brought world champions in to show you right Eventually, you're gonna gain confidence. It's the taking your daughter to karate or jujitsu little kids the jujitsu They have confidence that other kids don't have right? That's what you got to build confidence. It's the taking your daughter to karate or little kids to jujitsu, they have confidence that other kids don't have, right? That's what you got to build. So it takes a lot of different skills and getting guys good at a lot of different skills to build that fucking unshakable core. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And it's a matter of when do you introduce them to like extreme adversity? Do you build them up?

Slowly right right and it has to be built slowly right and then we used to say this like Aircraft training right let's say you got a breach in airplane? And you got to climb a fucking 20 foot ladder. Cause these motherfuckers ain't low to the ground, right? And you're hanging on a ladder and you weigh fucking 200 and fucking 80 pounds in your shit, but you're on these fucking ladders with fucking six other guys who all weigh the same as you or more. You got to crack the door, get the fuck in this airplane, right? Now let's just say this is your first time and you crack that door the first time and as an instructor I know you're cracking the

door and as soon as you crack that door I fucking shoot you in the face you know what I mean yeah and with the training round right how fucking embarrassing right and then the reality is is you know you just move ruin this motherfucker forever how do you breach an airplane? What's this what's a successful protocol for breaching an airplane mechanical or explosive? What do you mean Sometimes we open doors. Sometimes we blow doors. It depends. So which one you want to know about? Okay, let's go mechanical Yeah, most most doors have a lever on the outside that can be activated and most doors

There's a certain way they open right my team. I was always kind of like a primary door guy And then there's a certain way doors open. There's latches. So all airplane doors open from the outside So but once you breach it though, you're in a tube. You're in a tube. And everybody knows where the door is. Yeah. It's a very vulnerable position. Yes. So what's the protocol for breaching a door when you're in a tube like that? So what you have to do is breach as many doors as possible and get as many people in as possible as quick as possible and everyone goes to positions, right? You got cover guys, you got runners, you got searchers.

There's a lot of shit that needs to go on on these fucking aircraft. Same with a fucking big cruise liner, right? So everybody's going to, once the door is open, everyone's going to flood in and kind of like go to their places. You know what I'm saying? Right. So you plan it out, you know where you're going to be. And then you're still dealing with the chaos of you're in a tube and there's only one way in. And things are coming at you no matter what. Yeah. Yeah.

So there's no clean way to do that. Not even once. Not even once. Fuck, fuck no, man. You know what I mean? What a crazy fucking task. I know, but the back to the point is, if a guy cracks that door, any door, let's say it's your first time I'm showing you like, all right, Joe, I'm going to show you some, you know, close quarter battle. I'm going to show you how to clear a door and then just joking around like you're about to go through a door and I shot you in the fucking forehead You wouldn't mentally never want to go through that door again, right? So I have to build you up to where well the first time you come through the door Why don't just let you come through the door?

Right, and then it builds from there And then there's a point where it's like more this motherfucker shooting through the crack of the airplane Wait till I'm in this fucking bitch. I got two pistols on me. This motherfucker's going down. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So as your confidence, your core, that core of a human being, like that core of an operator, right, as that becomes fucking concrete, a guy's just unshakable, like, I don't give a fuck what this position.

I don't care. Like, I don't care if I fucking die, let's do this, you know? And it's consistent training over and over and over again. Over and over and over. Do you think that this is what's missing in the police force? Oh man, are you kidding me? First off, I work in a lot of police departments.

I love police, I support police all the time. It's a fucking thankless job. I'll say that. But I would say like, think about this, Joe. If you trained police better, right? I work at a lot of police academies. I've helped a lot of police academies. They don't fail people anymore. I show them what I do.

I train them to do what I do. They have great success with it. I would say this in a police academy. Let's say it's six months long, whatever they do, I don't fucking know. Probably about four months of that is fucking paperwork. And then, you know, you get a little hand to hand, you get a little driving, you get a little shooting,

and then you learn what. Yeah. But I'm gonna tell you this, as a cop, you got the rest of your life to do that paperwork. And when you're in training, right, as soon as you like get your first arrest, your training officer is going to be like, don't write it that way. Hold on, let me see your paperwork like this. The paperwork could be OJT and they could spend them time, right, training these guys. And if, no, I'd also say this is, if police were trained better and truly uniform officers

are probably the only guys like stopping crime as it happens, if we train those guys better, why would we need SWAT teams? Right. You would have SWAT teams through the whole thing. Would they all be SWAT? Everyone could be swat And if we got in there and ten of us come together Yeah, we're our own SWAT team. We don't and then we could operate independently. We could operate one or two and like I

Think police don't do the force multiplier thing. Like each guy is his own fucking bastion of the law You know what? I mean,, I just think they kind of share injuries. They don't do hand to hand, right? Shooting could be dangerous, right? And then most shooting is, you know, the instructor is God and you are fucking stupid. That's how most training is. It's like basic training.

And like, no one learns well like that either. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah, I'm always shocked when I see fat cops. Like really fat cops. And I'm just like, how, your whole life is your body. Like your whole life is, you have to be able to physically defend yourself. You have weapons, you have the law and the uniform and bulletproof vest and all that. But your physical body is almost useless.

I was at a football game the other day and there's this like obese cop, like enormous belly. I was like, this is disgusting. It's ridiculous. You've let yourself get to this point where I know you can't even run. You can't last 30 seconds. All someone has to do is grab a hold of your arm that you would use to take your gun and control that arm, get you to the ground, and you're fucked.

Shit, I just baseball collar the back of their fucking collar, their shirt, where the fuck are you going? You know what I mean? Right, it's crazy. Yeah, look, okay, first off, I think also police should have different jobs like the army. So okay, if you were 400 pounds, maybe you're the computer guy at the police force or a desk guy or you know what I mean? Right, right.

I don't think everyone needs to be the fittest human being ever. However, if you're on patrol, get the young six foot kids in there, man. You know what I mean? They can handle themselves. They're young. They're bigger than normal, right? This is why a lot of troopers, state troopers used to have like a six foot, six one, six two height requirement because a six foot two man can generally handle most people.

Right. You know what I mean? Especially a fit one who's trained. Yeah. Yeah. So I think the fit guys need to be on the force. I think there's room for everybody. But I think with police is you're a police officer or you're a detective and then that's

it. But really you're always a cop versus like, well, the army, right? Okay. There's drone pilots. There's all these army jobs that kick the infantry kids out the door. Right. Why don't police kind of organize like that? And that way, like the guys are going to run people down can run. That's what drives me crazy about this whole defund the police horse shit. Like, are you fucking crazy? You should be funding them more. Fucking crime

is real. Yeah, it's real. Evil's real. Evil's fucking real. Yeah. Yeah to pretend it's not well that just means you haven't experienced it Yeah, you're living with blinders on. Yeah. Yeah, I say I agree Yeah, it's just bizarre that we expect these people to encounter danger and evil all day long their whole lives like 25 30 years and you know, you don't You don't train them properly. You don't fund them properly. And then they get disrespected by the public. Oh, that's the worst.

I think the worst is when like the mayor or the police fucking chief is like not supportive of all of the fucking guys. And it's like, you think the guys have bad intent? You know what I mean? I get it. There might be bad apples or whatever. everyone's got 10% say what you want But like how about Kamala Harris when she was running for president? She was all about defund the police I don't know how that sells with us like 2019 2020. It's fucking crazy

It's a crazy thing to say it really is a crazy thing to say yeah, yeah, I mean If we defunded the police we'd be Mexico quicker than we thought. Yeah. Right. Right. Because the cartels would just drive over the border. Yeah. That's real.

Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about this idea of using special forces guys to fight the cartels? First and foremost, like if you were like, yo yo, we're gonna wipe out a cartel tonight I'd have been like I'll load my frags extra careful like let's go right, but the reality is is like I know all my buddies are like yeah, we'll fuck them up in a night. We'll fucking yo, yo Fucking let's back up a fucking second here the cartels have fucking men they

own the ground they have fucking technicals they have machine guns they have fucking everything an army has right and they've had decades to train waiting for this number two and number three our government's fucking compromised so if you think they ain't gonna know you're coming, you know what I mean? I think you're fucking high. Jesus Christ, that's a terrifying thought. The government's so compromised, the cartel's gonna get the word out before.

Well, how are we gonna, look, we're not gonna be in fucking sneaky. We're not the Israelis doing that fucking pager shit, you know what I'm saying? That pager shit was wild. Yo, that needs to be the model for every fucking thing we do in the future. No matter what you think about the Israelis, what's going on in Gaza, that pager shit was wild. Which tells me America should go back to making its own fucking cell phones and its own, we shouldn't have our fucking comms made overseas at all in any way, shape or form, in my opinion.

No, I've been saying that forever. We should have our own cell phones. Fuck. And the fact that we're should have our own cell phones. Fuck. And the fact that we're buying so much shit from China. Fuck. Especially after they banned Huawei, because they know that Huawei stuff was compromised, and they're having third party input, and be able to spy on people.

It's fucking crazy. Well, this is why we got to go back to making America like it used to be. We made our own shit. We use our own shit. We wouldn't have to worry about none of this Yeah, it's um, it's a very strange thing. What's happening in this country where China is allowed to buy land That's near military bases. They supply cell phone towers

They put all these different they sell us all this different shit and we don't really know I mean, I don't know how many experts are investigating these fucking cell phone towers fucking zero I bet fucking zero Mike Baker was on here He was telling me about how around military bases like China has installed their equipment and all these military bases like at Formula one we where we were mm-hmm my buddy owns the track and they found these Chinese boxes They had attached to the Wi-Fi So they were just scooping up everybody's data They called in Homeland Security to have them remove it and investigate it It's an racetrack a racetrack, but but they knew everybody was gonna be using this public Wi-Fi

Probably no VPNs probably no security and these people are getting their all their shit siphoned up We know security and these people are getting their all their shit siphoned up They're so sophisticated and how they've infiltrated. It's fucking crazy and we just allow it to happen It's very strange because you can't buy shit in China If you think you're an American company gonna go over to China and operate with autonomy. You're out of your fucking mind Yeah, you can't buy shit. Yeah, they know they'll never let an American No, they don't want... Chinese would never buy communication devices from America. No, and they certainly never let America buy farmland right next to their military bases. They'd be like, fuck you. We're like,

sure, we'll sell it to you. Are you going to pay more? Oh boy, we'll take your money. It's weird. It's weird how goofy we are. I know. And then like, well, I think it fucking it's weird. It's weird. How goofy we are I know and then like well, I think it's this Joe I think people don't realize how fucking dangerous the rest of the world is and how like people are like plotting against us and It's fucking real out there. The world is a crazy place I say this like you don't know how fucking safe you got it here and how fucking great we got it here You know what I mean? Like people don't know that because they don't never leave here So they're stuck in their own fucking bad attitude of like their own grind or whatever the fuck they do

And like look, I'm telling you the world is fucking evil people will fucking rape you kill you. No one gives a fuck like Protect yourself all the time, man. Well, you've been to parts of the world where you've seen this firsthand, and I think it's one of those things where if you don't see it, you don't believe it. Yeah, I'll tell you, one of the, I think the biggest thing I saw in Iraq,

I think in maybe 2009-ish, there was like the most fucking US soldiers ever been in Iraq right like whatever the numbers around fucking no right but when Iraq had the most fucking soldiers that has ever had in Iraq is when Iraq was the safest think about it you know what I mean all we had to do was flood put a fucking tank under every fucking overpass in every fucking neighborhood There's a machine gun and fucking 50 cal Humvee right like who's fucking around they're everywhere and That's the safest Iraq ever was I'm telling you we have that here and people don't understand that in general So if you wanted to fund the police fuck man, we're fucked. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like it's a crazy, but you know, um, do you know Evan, Evan Hafer?

Yes. Yeah. Evan was, we were in a elk camp and he was explaining some of the shit that he saw when he went from Iraq to Afghanistan. It just how he's like, Afghanistan is so fucked that you can't even comprehend it until you're there. Yeah He goes once you're there and you see it and you understand it you you become so cynical you almost like this culture is like Unfixable and he's like most people just don't know that a place like that exists. That's so Just down to its core so fucked and we was talking about how These guys have these boys that they have as their harem. The number nine boy.

What's that? That's what the Egyptian Special Forces called him, the number nine boy. He's the boy that gets fucked. Why number nine? I don't know. That's what the Egyptian Special Forces called. But every Afghanistan village had a fucking, what do they call it, the chogi boy or fucking some shit.

Yeah, something like that. But basically the 12-year-old gets raped. He was saying these guys have harems and they would parade them down the street to show they have the most boys. This happened to me on my... So I did a solo mission in Afghanistan, the book Kill Bin Laden. You ever hear of it? Yeah.

I brought a hardback for you. Oh, nice. I'll sign it for you if you want. Sure. But it's hard to get a hardback for you. Oh, I'll sign it for if you want But it's hard to get a hardback It's like it's like it's got library shit in it. I had to buy it because like people always ask me to sign it I didn't write the book. I'm just in it And people always ask me for a signature on it, right? So I bought like I don't know family or friends. I want one when I bought out like a lot from a library

they didn't use them no more because they don't sell the hardbacks no more but I went out on a mission alone in Afghanistan I was going 10 days first I think first successful mission of the war my opinion I don't know I don't know if there's other missions were more successful than mine but so I went out alone and then I do the recon I have the I need. I have every fucking thing I need to launch a raid. We, I'm alone, we stop, I'm in a fucking jingly truck, right? Like I fucking just, I'm in this truck. I hitchhiked basically from Jalalabad into the Toribora Mounds. I'm in a jingly truck with this fucking driver. What's a jingly truck with this fucking driver. What's a jingly truck? You know where they like, it's like a fucking like a six wheel like dump truck, but like they hang the chains and bells and they paint it like 17 different bright colors and they

you never seen a jing- yeah fucking jingly truck because it fucking jingles man. Yeah. Yeah. The fuck is that? Yeah, so I'm in one of these motherfuckers with this motherfucker Right. He's like a logger. He runs the valley. He's always in the area But like I don't know any of this fucking I can't even talk to the guy I don't fucking speak shit You know what I mean? And then like it's fucking dangerous. I had to go through checkpoints. I had to act like a retard to get through a fucking checkpoint.

What did you do? I was at a fucking checkpoint and the dude was like, there's this fucking, the checkpoints in Afghanistan are fucking sketch. You know, they got like one piece of yarn across the road. You better fucking stop or you will be shot. They don't give a fuck about you. And like, so the car in front of us, I think the fucking like this dude like stole bread

from a little kid. You know what I mean? Little kid was eating a piece of bread. He just snatched it out of the fucking car, yelled at the people. I thought he was gonna schwack him because I didn't have anything to give him that he wanted. So I'm in this jingly truck, comes next, fucking AK in the chest, la la la la la la.

Fuck, I don't know what the fuck he's saying, right? But I know if I speak English, I'm dead. So not an option. So he's like yelling at me, right? And then finally, I just figured I'm going to do like volume level 12 and just fucking yell in his face, right? So I just get super close to his face, which he didn't like. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. And the guy's like, what the fuck?

And then like backed up and then motion like, the motion like get the fuck through here with AK. Wow. Wow. Yeah. So what, you just on the spot devised that. Another one I had, I picked up like a dirty towel or blanket off the floor and they took that. Right, but what I learned being out alone, one of the things I learned is,

you know, you're like, you watch the movies and like they pull out a wad of cash and they're like, ah, wink, get me across the border there, friend. Yo, these motherfuckers will just shoot you in the face and take everything you got. Don't whip that shit out. You're going to get murdered. They're just going to take it all. I mean, they'll steal bread from a fucking kid you think they give a fuck about your life.

You know what I mean? And they'll just fucking throw you on the side of the road and let you rot. Like, they don't even care about the smell. Like, so like, yeah, I had to act like a retard through this one man they don't give a fuck man they don't give a fuck. You just figured that out on the spot. On the spot yeah so we get I get in a truck we do the recon I like had a literally I had a cigarette bag I think it's like Kent or some shit I don't fucking smoke but like Kent cigarettes I had a plastic bag with my fucking sat phone and

Anyway, I had to get a camera out get it under my arm and I kind of filmed the house right US eyes on And then I had to get the footage back. So we get to the end of the valley. It's fucking dark You know, there's no way we can get out of the valley before light So we stop at this house and the drivers like you know motion us in right it's the Muslim right of they can't turn you away right so we go to this house we're in the room bunch of old fucking grumpy men they don't fucking like me at all and the driver and the driver I guess goes there and crashes all the time when he's in the valley right so

this is normal for him to be here and then so in that room they had like this boy and they fucking drug him into another room and you could hear yelling and shit and I was just like what the fuck do you do I have everything I need to pull off the first successful mission in Afghanistan for the American government okay do I save this kid and compromise my mission or do I just get the fuck out of here and pull this motherfucker off? And the reality is I had to look the other way and I didn't like it.

So I took my speed, you know, they give you speed. I took my speed, stayed up, everyone went to bed. They fed me dark opium tea. They tried to put me down. That's why I drank the tea anyway knowing it was spiked And then I took my speed to kind of counteract it and then everyone went to bed I laid there just wide awake I just laid there wide awake like I fucking shut an eye these

motherfuckers are gonna cut my dick off and stick it in my mouth because it seems like what they like to do and then Finally the middle of the night, I fucking got my AK. I stuck it in the driver's face. I drug them out to the truck like right before sunup and we fucking left the valley. But like, you know, compromise the mission or save the kid. What do you want? What's it going to be, man? And then like you just see this all over the place. So you were like one of the first guys to do these singleton missions? Yeah, yeah, so when when they set you off to do something like that, like what's the protocol?

Like how do they how do they even? Good luck, you know, I don't know like Well back then it was that guy Dalton Fury, right? The guy who wrote Kill Min Laden was my commander. And okay, it's a long story. I'm writing a book. It's finished. Maybe someone would want to publish it, but it's called The Singleton and it's about my

going out alone. But I was like, they see, I was at my base, I was in a Sada Bad, and we were just getting rocketed and mortared every day. It's kind of like mortar bait, whatever. And then we had like fucking zero lickies and chewies. No fucking candy, no beef jerky, no fucking pop tarts, no fucking nothing, right?

And we're just sucking it up and like, I gotta eat fucking these Afghan motherfuckers cook us food and like, I'm eating vegetables, I don't even know what the fuck that vegetable was. I don't even recognize it as a vegetable. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know that's fucking goat cause it tastes horrible,

but I don't know what the fuck, I don't even know what the fuck they cook me. You know what I mean? It's like, anyway. So I go to my boss and I'm like, yo, Hey, I want to go to the main base, right. And steal Pogi from the fucking chow hall. What's Pogi? Pogi bait is a term for like beef jerky snacks,

candy, cookies, like any kind of like snack food. Right. So, and my boss is like, yeah, if you schedule the airplanes, you make all the coordinations, you can go. I was like, fucking bet, man. I fucking scheduled the helicopter. Like, motherfuckers, you don't know how resourceful I can be, you know what I mean?

So I scheduled everything for the next night. And then like I drove my, I had a red Toyota truck. I drove my Toyota truck in the back of the Chinook, right? So tight in there, you can't even get out. You gotta just sit there, hope you ain't gotta piss. They fly me to the main base, fucking land, driving the main base. Like by this time, like the army's like taking over

where like you gotta like fucking salute on fucking the army base in Afghanistan. Like two weeks ago, like a fucking SAS guy lost a leg in a landmine, you know? So I go to the base and then the commander sees me and he's with his sergeant major, another guy, and they're like, this is our fucking guy right here. So like, hey, what are you doing? And I'm like, about to raid the chow hall.

Like what the fuck does it look like I'm doing you know what I mean like if it's one thing I'm honest right so I was like yeah I'm getting pokey for the fucking for our base like what's up and they're like hey we got a mission for you and I told them hey I'll do it right but you just got to tell my ask my boss if it's alright because I didn't work for these guys and they're like okay cool they're in my squadron, but not my direct boss, right? So they call my boss. My boss says, fine.

And they sit me in this room and they're like, hey, we want you to go out alone. And I'm like, okay. And they're like, explain everything to me. We want you to go out alone. Do you have any questions? And I was like, my only question was, and it wasn't a question, I looked the commander in the eye and I said, tell me you're gonna cover my ass if something goes wrong. And he was like, oh yeah, we'll cover you.

Like yo, you coulda gave a fucking better man up with that answer, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? He gives this like weak answer and I'm just thinking, well fuck man, you know what I mean? So what were they telling you they wanted you to do go out alone? US eyes on get footage of this guy at his house so we could launch right because

The generals back then weren't in line with bushes dead or alive and they were I believe the Pentagon was a bigger Hindrance in the beginning of war than they were fucking than they were worth but How so? Well The general at the time that was in charge of us our task force right and we're talking about tier one like the guy in charge then Had like two rules

Number one you can leave the wire if you get us eyes on a target Okay, okay and number two no one leaves the wire Well, how the fuck are we gonna do number one without if we can't leave Figure it out. So the commander I was because I was when you say leave the wire Yeah, what do you mean? Exactly. Like go out hunting for bad guys. Leave your base. You know what I'm saying? Go out and combat. But you can't leave your base. But you can leave the base. But you got to get these eyes on to launch a target. So you got to get your recon guys out there doing reconnaissance because we

need these reconnaissance and US eyes on to hit these targets. Okay, we want to launch reconnaissance Yeah, no one leaves the wire That's kind of how it worked man, right? So the reason they used me is According to the army the army at every level is great at accountability 100% we need to know where everyone is at all times, right? So when I flew to the other base, I was in transit, right? So they left me in transit for a week. So instead of saying I left the wire, I was just in transit because I was in transit anyway to go get Pop Tarts. So they lied to everybody, left me my stat, and I didn't know this at

the time, I'm like, like, this could have mattered less to me, I learned later, you know, but they paperwork nutshelled the general and sent out reconnaissance and that was me. And then they came back with the eyes on, and the general agreed to launch the mission. And it was a success. And no one asked, how the fuck did someone leave the wire? Because no one cared because we were successful. You know what I mean?

Wow. So what are you thinking when you're out there doing this? What is going through your head when you agree to do this? Fuck. Figure it the fuck out. I don't fucking know. I'm not trying to have anything in my head right now. That's what's crazy is like, they just let you figure it out.

Yeah. So you have to feel very vulnerable. I don't know. I wouldn't say vulnerable, Joe, but I do think this is like, there's guys that like fucking make it happen. You probably guys like this any tasks you give a guy is just like wait You're done with that already like some people could just make shit happen and then I'm one of those guys That's like my one of my better qualities make it happen. So like Fucking go make it happen motherfucker

Like a retard when you get pulled over. Hey man, do what you gotta do baby, like fucking survival of the fittest. So the problem is once you do one of these, now you're the guy that can go do these things. Yeah, and I did hundreds in Iraq and fucking loved it. Jesus Christ. Yeah. You loved it. Loved it. He loved being alone, man. I love it. Fuck that. Yo, you, okay, think about this Joe, and you do jiu-jitsu when you fight, right? You want to depend on yourself, or you want to depend on yourself and people you don't know what the fuck they're made of. Who the fuck are you gonna trust? You're gonna trust yourself. Right? So it wasn't really a big stretch for me to be alone. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I do. But it's still a very unusual mindset.

Yeah, maybe. I don't know. And then my other mindset is like, no matter where I am, no matter what I do, everyone in a 25 yard radius is gonna fucking die. Just so I can make it home. And if I had to kill everyone in the whole village Goddamn right everyone in that fucking village would be dead for me to come home. So I Just figured yo fucking be ready to fight at all times. I learned 100 to 1 lessons learned leadership lessons a hundred to one being alone versus being a pack of 30 Motherfuckers right like yo, let us come ram this down your fucking throat and we'll call it Tuesday. You know what I mean?

Where when I was alone, like, you gotta make better decisions. You're a fucking coyote. You're a ghost. You know, you gotta make ghost decisions. The fucking, you know, the bravado. Like, we're gonna kill everybody. The fuck we are, we're not gonna fire a shot.

Why? Because like, you fire one shot as a singleton you better be ready to kill everybody because gunshots is a fucking dinner bell for psychos you know what I mean so are you ready you know what I mean and the reality is is like I had to think other shit do other shit had to act like a retard you know and I had to get along with people I had a had to do so much shit that is out of like even the commando norm as a singleton, you know? I think about-

And there's no one that can really teach you this. Fuck. I mean, no. Like fuck. I mean, I don't fucking know. Right? You can teach a guy how to breach an airplane. Right.

How the fuck are you going to teach a guy to act like a retard if you get pulled over? How are you going to teach a guy to be a singleton And right right Well, we used to tell guys I used to tell my guys all the time and this is a unit thing But like I could train a monkey to shoot. I'm training you to think I Don't care about the shooting because if you're thinking right the shooting will be easy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah but yeah, man I'll tell you I thought about writing a leadership book, calling it the Singleton,

and just kind of the lessons I learned, you know? Like, so few guys have done that, you know? Like, I see all these like, you know, I don't know. I don't look at the internet, I don't watch the news. I don't do any of that. I don't do social media. I have it. I don't fucking look at it.

I don't have it on my phone. It's not worth my sanity. So I'm like a fucking time capsule for fucking the 2000s, you know what I mean? Yeah, like I Never understood some of these other like veteran stories You know, I never I never kind of like the lone survivor I never understood the full story because I went out alone all the time that shit didn't happen to me motherfucking seven Taliban on my ass you want to see seven fucking bodies super quick you know what I'm saying bring them boys up here you know so I never really fucking understood

some of these other stories because I had such a different experience I can't fathom if I was with five, the times I was with five guys, you know how many people, I mean I was with three guys, you know how many people we killed in the Battle of Tora Bora, fucking hundreds. I just stopped counting on my first day. So, having said that, I don't understand some of these stories because I had the experience I had.

You know what I'm saying? It's a very unusual experience. How many guys were singletons? Fuck? I don't know any You don't know me. I mean a couple of my buddies but like not like me. Wow Yeah, and then once I did it it was kind of my lot in life. How many pages is this book that you wrote? Uh, I don't know like fucking 20 chapters. I wrote a big book. It seems like it have to be I wrote a 500 fucking pages. seems like it'd have to be 500 fucking pages. So I can't wait to read that book. Shameless plug if you know anybody who buys books.

Someone needs to buy that book, 100%. Yeah, we'll get that book sold. We'll get that book sold 100%. I need to read that book right now. I'll give it to you. I'll text it to you. I'll text it to you today. For real. I'll text it to you. I'm done with it. I think it's as good as I could get it and I'm just a regular. I'm in Chicago Public School system. I didn't even take a book home because if the school loses the books they can't teach. So it was like half my class was in the book and the other half was homework and he left the books in class. So like I didn't have homework. Well, it's probably better because you're going get it like yeah from you yeah with no gloss yeah no

bullshit but which leads me to Iraq where I did hundreds of solo missions as a taxi driver I had like I don't know fucking 30 50 vehicles in Iraq so once they realize you can do this yeah like oh like oh call McPhee. Yeah. Well, no, it's just kind of my thing I don't have to call me. Just tell me what you need. Wow. Yeah I mean my bosses knew how to use me like that. So you started enjoying the craziness of it. I love being alone Why did you love it so much? I Don't know I hate to say this but like guys like me are generally fucking assholes. Like you've met a few guys like me and they're like, yeah, I was afraid someone would get

away like shut the fuck up man. God damn it. You know what I mean? Like, so not really a fan of a lot of like alpha males. They can be dicks at times. like kind of set me down my down my path is I just stayed away from the dicks and did my own thing you know what I mean right so you just had you had your mission and you enjoyed the fact that it was all up to you and I didn't have to fuck with no one else it's on my timeline fucking and I will make this happen like I will make shit happen that other people can't I don't know how I don't know Why but I just will that is such a wild experience like your experience in war must be so different than everybody else It's just because of that. Yeah

So having said that we're talking about Iraq. I brought some show-and-tell items. What'd you bring? I brought something I have never fucking shown before. What do you got? And I believe it's fucking evil. You wanna see it? Yeah I do. What is it? I gotta get it out of my box. Oh you got a box. I'm kind of scared. What's that? Can you Google Saddam Hussein Mauser? This is his hat? Yeah. It's the one where he shoots the Mauser in the air at the fucking parade grounds. I was given that to buy his tailor.

Wow. Yeah, that one. The liner fell out. I was given that to buy his tailor Yeah that one the liner fell out the liners in here like it's you can see what kind of hat it is the glue Fell out of the liner, but like Rolled up his tailor And all his butlers Anybody who touched his ass fed him or touched his dick. I fucking rolled them motherfuckers up. Wow. Saddam was captured nine days after I left.

I had to leave for Christmas. This is crazy. This was on his head. Now it's here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a Piccadilly Fox for hat. I also have a sweater I took a I had all his clothes like, I mean, fuck, I had everything that guy. But yeah, his tailor. Okay, so Saddam's inner circle, right? When I was working Saddam,

we were working a Saddam piece, right? Some fucking legendary hits that no one's ever fucking talked about. Like, we did the clever shit fucking during Saddam. And I will tell you this, as I learned on my fucking Singleton mission at Afghanistan, the first one, we need to be a lot fucking smarter if we want to crush these motherfuckers. And I'm not talking like we captured two bad guys. I'm talking we go in kill everyone needs to be killed capture everyone who needs to be captured and fucking do this right, right? So yeah, with the Saddam piece, right?

His tailor and his butlers and Saddam's inner circle was all Christians. Fucking every one of them was a Christian. And Saddam believed that Christians, if they martyr themselves, go to hell. Muslims martyr themselves, you go to heaven. So he surrounded himself with fucking Christians. So his tailor, his butlers, his jawalas, all those guys, they're fucking washing his ass, feeding this motherfucker, we're all Christians. And it's why Christians flourished in Iraq, which they're, you know, like, I'd like to, I'd hope all these guys are still alive, but the reality is, is like ISIS probably fucking got rid of them after Saddam was gone, you know, yeah, I just killed so many fucking Christians

you know what I'm saying, yeah, but they were all Christians and so his I It started with the ex ambassador excuse me to the US and Then I met the tailor and started talking to the tailor and then one day He brought this hat and he brought some clothes and I was like, what was this and he was like, you know He told me this is the one where he shot the Mauser and he had some clothes. I grabbed a sweater

I wear this sweater on Christmas Eve and then When I was when I was fatter, it's like it's like a fucking halter top my belly's had my belly fats hanging out You know my family's like I don't know anything. I'm nuts, but I normally wear that sweater on Christmas I forgot to bring it around I brought it but wow Yeah, now that I lost weight. I think I'm actually Saddam size. You know, I'm saying spooky You know what I'm saying? I end up being the same as that could have wore all those clothes, you know but yeah, they were Christians, right and I end up being the same as that. I could have wore all those clothes, you know what I mean? Wow. But yeah, they were Christians, right? And we rolled up the tailor. The tailor gave up

a butler. Like, I was, me and another guy were at the tailor's house, right? And we were going to snatch this guy, right, this butler. And the butler is the guy who used to wash Saddam. Like, he bathed Saddam every fucking day So Saddam had someone bathe him. Yeah, he didn't bathe himself. No Crazy, right? Yeah weird, but he had a lot of a lot of but they were all Christians and they were all Honestly, they were all fucking nice people to be fair. Like all the Christians were great people anyway Yeah, so I'm in the house with another guy

and the guy's early. So we fucking shoot up on the roof, the guy comes, I call my guys, they're not really in place yet. So he comes, he leaves, he only stays a minute and he's gone, you know what I mean? And these, I think all these inner circle Saddam folks know they were valuable to us. And like they realized they were going to get snatched at some time, so he was like, he was out, right?

I called my guys, right? And then literally my guys were like two blocks away as he was leaving, he ran into their Humvee. He ran into my guys and they're like, hey, this guy just ran into us in like this vehicle. I'm like, that's the dude. He got in an accident. Yeah, he ran into our guys in a Humvee. He was trying to drive away and like crashed into like the guys that were going to snatch him.

Wow. Yeah. I'll tell you another Saddam story. This is one of my favorites. Saddam had like regular pieces of ass. And like his favorite piece of ass was this butter face lady. I don't know what she did for him, but she wasn't a looker, you know what I mean? So like look and feel are different things.

Saddam knew what felt right to him, obviously. And she was married. And we wanted to get to her. I mean, maybe Saddam's favorite sex partner wouldn't know where he is, right? So we have the tailor, the tailor knows who he is, so we have the tailor kind of invite him to the tailor shop. This tailor had a store in downtown Baghdad. So he comes in the store and I told my guys if he doesn't come out quick to, I had a

couple, I don't know what they're called now, Mohawks, I think is what they call the Iraqi counter-terror guys. Before they were even established, the guys were with us, so we had a couple of those guys. I have them start fighting in front of the store, so literally everyone piles on in the street to see these guys fighting. Everyone piles out of all the shops, stores stores and everyone's watching these two guys fight Literally the guy we're looking for like walks up to see the fight and his back is to the van Door the guys that are gonna snatch him. Wow, so I call them like yo, you see that tall guy

That's our guy fucking snatch him and no shit van door van door fucking open fucking snatch him and no shit vandor vandor fucking open nobody even knew where the fucking guy went the Taylor later was like where did he go did you take who took him where did this guy go where does this man at you know I mean like no one even seen him get snatched right that's such a clever idea yeah have two guys fight yeah and then later my boss was like who those guys fighting I was like, that's our boys and he was like Wait, did you do that? And I was like, I didn't want to be there for like six hours Like you know what I mean? Like how do we speed this up? We got shit to do today Like you know what I mean, that's my efficiency is my thing like that's genius

Yeah, that's one of the and we did so much. Hey, all right, I'll tell you another one. My first Saddam hit, I worked a lot of intel side for Saddam, me and a couple other guys. So we worked somewhere not with our squadron and we worked with another government agency. Make sense? Yeah. So we get the call, the squadron's doing a hit, there's a

Saddam sighting, right? So this is like the beginning, like 2003 Iraq. We were fucking Ken blocking it with fucking maps, like hit the third traffic circle, go out on the nine o'clock, like literally I get us to fucking Ken blocking, fucking navigating through a fucking shitty Baghdad fucking street map. I get us to the fucking target, right? Humvees are already there. The rest of the guys are already there. Rangers got the blocking positions all set up.

So we get there, we raid the house, right? We get all these guys. And then finally, there was like no fucking shit, Joe. There was like, I don't know, 15 motherfuckers. It was like a Saddam look-alike fucking contest. They all had the mustache. There's like short fat Saddams. There's like tall skinny Saddams. So it's like- So your body doubles.

Well, I don't know if it was body doubles. They just all looked like it. Yeah, because like the Saddam look was popular, the mustache. I mean, not that they all look the same, but they kind of all look the same, you know from my perspective at the time Right. So like it was like no wonder someone called this in it's fucking like they all look like Saddam, you know what I mean? and then on the outside like Fuck man, the Rangers shot up these vehicles at the blocking position I have my squad my my sergeant major was like, Hey, go fucking clean up the bodies. And I'm like, why the fuck am I on brains detail? I didn't fucking

shoot nobody today. And he's like, you're the only one with a regular pickup truck that could haul the bodies. And I'm like, fucker already thought it through. This is why this guy's the boss. You know what I mean? Like, and then a lesson learned that day is, you know what I mean? And then a lesson learned that day is, you know, like in Iraq you just drink water out of bottles and then throw them in your truck. Man, we were loading bodies in, there's fucking a hundred water bottles in the back of the bed. Someone just come by the bed of the truck and throw an empty water bottle in like at the house or whatever, right? And like I'm throwing bodies and fucking shit in the back of my truck and there's like bloody water bottles squirting

Everywhere is a fucking mess man. So I learned that day like my vehicles are always clean always fucking clean From that day on but like is a fucking mess and then man They shot up this fucking this old man this old lady. They ran the checkpoint. They were about to hit the Humvee with the Rangers. So the kid shot at the driver, but the kids didn't, the Rangers back then didn't know as much as Rangers know now. You know what I'm saying?

And the kid shot the warning shots at the driver, but he hit the brakes and the fucking vehicle will never stop if you shoot the brakes if you don't know if you know that but and it fucking hit the Humvee like fucking 40 miles an hour broke the transmission and I had to clean up the bodies had to set up an HLZ take them later to the HLZ you know what I mean and then it was like my is my first Saddam raid in Iraq and it was my first Experience in Iraq with the Rangers and like that day I was fucking fed up with them You know like there's some young fucking 18 year old kid medic in the back of the truck

And like I'm like, hey fucking give these people morphine He's like I'm not supposed to give the enemy morphine, Sergeant. You know what I mean? I'm like, yo, does anyone look like a fucking enemy to you here? Anyone fighting you in the back of the truck? Then there is no fucking enemies here, bud. Fucking give these people some drugs. So like, at least we ain't got to fucking hear them moan and shit. You know what I mean? And like the kid, like I had to force them to like fucking be humane. You know what I mean? Because he was just trying to follow orders later later would they be so much better, right?

But beginning of the war like my first that's my first Saddam hit, you know what I mean? I was just thinking fucking this is gonna be awesome. And that kid was shooting down the street with the 50 cal like Imagine just a fucking city street in Austin, right? And you're parked in the middle of the road and you just shoot with a 50 cow off the top of a Humvee You know like eight feet off the ground through those tracer rounds would skip down the road It was breaking glass fucking going through cars fucking, you know 500 yards down the road like people scattered like is amazing, you know You know what I mean, and then I had a fucking pick-up guts People scattered like is amazing, you know, wow 50 cows amazing

You know what? I mean, and then I had a fucking pick-up guts But well, this is the fucked up thing about it is like you you went through all this chaos You're uniquely qualified for chaos for some strange reason love chaos is my jam man As soon as this gets confusing yo, I got this. You know what I mean? But why is that? I don't fucking know. Seems to be what I do best. Yeah, I think so. Is that something that you accumulated this mindset

over time, or did you just always have it? I think it was beaten to me. Really? Yeah, like, think about it. When I was a kid, the house was chaotic. Yeah. You know what I mean? Right.

You learn the chaos. Right. And then it's just, you're designed for that. Bring glass in case of war. Yeah. Yeah. I guess so. I don't know.

I think I'm a normal guy, but like people tell me I'm not. It's not normal. Yeah. I mean, I understand you. I understand you. It's not normal, but I understand you. Yeah. I mean like look I just feel like okay We're all gonna die. I'm not gonna let it ruin my day. I've been through bad shit. I'm not the fucking victim I've done bad shit. I'm not the fucking bad guy. You know what I'm saying like And then having said that it's like I don't know man. I think it affects everybody differently, but I

Think you know before I retired I was burned out. I didn't know I was burned out I was an asshole every day fucking I was you know you I just fucking guys had come into my office What do you want? Yeah, too slow get the fuck out when you know what you want come back. I gotta be like Okay, sorry Too slow get the fuck out when you know what you want. Come back. I'd be like, okay Well, you were operating at 10 always always yeah, and then I learned man, like I was having a lot I fucking hated my life. I was miserable. I hated being a sergeant major. I hated being army management is what I called it I'm not a leader. I'm not a follower. I'm not a soldier I'm fucking army management and that shit is fucking dry fucking toast You know what I'm saying?

And I just got out of fucking Baghdad in 06 fucking killing people like 06 was a great year, you know And then I got to sit on the fucking staff and do this shit Like it's just fucking killing me Joe and then so like I wasn't a very good star major So I realized one day like man I think I used to be funny. Like, you know, like when I was a kid, like I'd catch that beating. If I could say that one fucking smart ass comment to you,

I might get beaten more, but I fucking said my piece. You know what I mean? Even as a little kid, I'll take the beating to fucking call you an asshole. Right. So like, I kinda maybe had that mindset going into it or something, you know what I mean? But yeah, man, I just think like, I think a lot of it just goes back to my childhood and being able to manage the chaos one minute we're fighting the next minute,

you know, someone's at the front door, like go answer. The crazy thing about it is like if you are, you're running any branch of the military and you're asking a lot of people to find someone like you, that you can find someone who doesn't just accept this but thrives on it. That's like, try recreating that in a lab. Fuck. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. How do you make that you can't?

I've only seen like I don't know in my experience of all the guys. I know and all the combat. I've seen I'd say there's like Just I mean You know we're not we're not the common guy. You know I mean maybe a dozen in my life You guys on a group chat fuck no fuck no you'll talk to nobody you know what I mean, maybe a dozen in my life. You guys on a group chat? Fuck no. Fuck no. You don't talk to nobody. You know what I mean? You'll never know who they are. They ain't fucking talking to you, me, fucking nobody. And some of the two, I maybe know a dozen of those guys.

Eight probably still work for the dark side of the government as old men, wherever that is. And the other guys are raising families and don't want you fucking with them right you know what I mean they don't do shit like this yeah guys like me don't do shit like but the thing about it is if you didn't talk about it people wouldn't know right like I think it's great that you talk about it I think it's important I think people need to mean people need to you know we're trying to like fill in an understanding of the world.

And until you've talked to someone who's experienced a part of the world in a way, in a way that no one else has, you don't know that that's a thing. Right. Like the fact that you can come and talk about this is a very good thing for everybody. Thank you. is a very good thing for everybody. Thank you. Because people will see like, okay, like this is super complicated. Like this, the whole thing was super complicated.

And to have a guy that could talk about navigating probably the most complicated aspect of this super complicated thing, and to actually thrive in it, is very strange. Thank you. I still think I'm normal, Joe. I think I'm a regular guy.

You're definitely not normal. But like I said, I understand you. Thanks, man. I get it. But yeah, man. And look, I got some more items. You want to see something else I've never shown off? So I talk about stories in some of my videos about being a taxi driver.

I also had another vehicle that was an Ude Kusei secret police vehicle. So when I drive this vehicle downtown, like the fucking sea would part. The road could be packed. And I'm driving my vehicle and people just move. What kind of vehicle was it? It was like a Maxima, a Nissan Maxima,

but it's what the Ude secret police drove. You know what I'm saying? And then they carried these and I'll show you. Wow. So the lion is the Babylon lion and that's the symbol of the Republican Guard, but I used to carry that as a taxi driver and when I get symbol of the Republican Guard. But I used to carry that as a taxi driver, and when I get out of the taxi, people would see that fucking gun and just fucking walk away. Wow.

And that's a Republican, that's what the Republican Guard rocked, those silver guns. I say it's a Pearl handle, but it's like plastic. Yeah, it's plastic. Yeah, nothing fancy about it. But specific to them. Yeah, yeah Yeah, I had a guy make it for me

Elk River to handle yeah pose in Montana. There's only so many guys that all do a case You know like you know you want to you want like a Silver AK. What are you the cartel? No get the fuck out of here? You're not serious about guns You know how many fucking knows I had to collect up there like anyway, but that's my Republican Guard. That's my taxi driver So you had that made? Specifically because you knew that they carried that no I captured that on the battlefield and carried it in Iraq. So that is one, but why does it say Bozeman, Montana? Cause well, cause okay, so if you bring one home, you get fired. But what I did, what I did is I took the hand guard and

the pistol grip and then I had a guy make a copy of what I had. Oh. Yeah. Oh, okay. So, it's, I mean, it's legal and everything, but- So the handguard and the pistol grabbers from the original gun. Right, but that's exactly what the original gun looked like. Wow. Because I didn't want, look, when you're in the depot, you want to get fired for bringing back an AK?

Right. Fucking, you know what I mean? Dumb. Right. You know what I mean? Like, dumb. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's not worth the risk, right? But like, it's like, hey, can I bring this hand guard back? Like, the fuck you want that garbage for? That's a yes, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, it took me a while to get, but yeah, that guy built it for me. Wow. Just got it, kinda matches the hat. Everybody I know likes to take a picture with that and the hat. So, it's kind of

popular yeah the hats been in Texas here for a very long time been stored in Texas got it documented about as much as possible as I can some fucking nightmares I don't know hey you know anybody that would might want it well you were selling it yeah I. I bet somebody would want that. I don't want it. Yeah, I don't want to keep that in my house. No, fuck no, Joe. Why you think I keep it in a black fucking box, man?

Like, yeah, I don't want it. But I know there is people out there that would treat it better than me. Like, I crammed it in a box. Yeah, well. And the guy that stored it for me put it in glass. You know what I mean? Like, he kind of knew what he was doing Actually, I had it stuffed in a bag. You know what that would be good for Zack Bagans haunted museum. Mm-hmm

You know Zack no, I hear that place is fucking creepy. My brother said it was fucking My brother likes creepy shit and he was freaked out. Oh, he's got everything in that place. He's got a Kevorkian's van where he killed all those people. He's got the Camaro from fucking the Waco. What's Caresh? Does he? I don't think so. I thought he bought the Camaro from Caresh.

You were gonna buy it? No, yeah, yeah. That Camaro was for sale. Wasn't the serial number like I Am God or something? Wasn't it? Wasn't it the serial number? It's 68 Camaro, and it was for sale And I came that close to pulling the trigger on it, but I was like I don't want that fucking bad juju in my life That's it 68 Camaro from Deadly Siege Zach Beggins

So he bought it so Zach bought it. Yeah Oh, he's selling it now, so he got it. It was for sale 23 This was from a year. No this it was for sale quite a while ago, and I was gonna buy it I hope somebody somebody emailed me and told me that they know I love old muscle cars And they said caresh is Camaro's for sale. I was like, ooh, and I went like this. Let me buy it Then I was like no The fuck am I gonna do with this? Yeah. Yeah, I'd rather buy one that has no history. Yeah, I have a 69. I love them.

I love old muscle cars, so I was thinking about it. But I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Is the serial number say I am God or something? No, it's normal. Look at the VIN numbers normal. It's normal VIN number Fucking crazy asshole. Yeah that guy I When you know you went to the mothership last night Yeah, I was gonna buy another building before that that was run by a cult and they moved out here. It was called I forget what the Was the name the Bodhi tree? Is that what it was called, I forget what the, what was the name, the Bodhi Tree, is that what it was called? Anyway, there's a documentary on it, it's called Holy Hell. So this guy, this guy, he was a yoga teacher in West Hollywood, and he was a gay porn star

and a hypnotist. So this fucking guy. He got a lot of ass. So the Bodhi Field, that's it, thank you. So Waco goes off, right, and then the cult awareness network starts investigating him, and he's running this cult in West Hollywood. So he escapes in the middle of the night and drives out to Texas, moves to Austin, tells everybody come here, and they all move out to Austin, and then he has them build this place. It's called the One World Theater. And then he has them build this place it's called the one world theater and

All the cult members ran this place for years until they figured out that this guy was fucking everybody One guy sends out a mass email say hey this guy's been hypnotized me and butt fuck me for the last ten years And everybody's like me too, so then they'll find out that he's fucking everybody this guy So they all leave the cult falls apart the buildings for sale so I swoop in when I move here the buildings for sale Ron White tells me about the building being for sale he's like this building fucking awesome I perform there you should get you should buy it so Ron White's my hero so I'm like I'll buy it fuck it yeah you know I need a club we're gonna open up a comedy

club let's open it up in this place all sorts of problems with the building Code this that a lot of environmental a lot of shit So I get out of it, but I bought the building before I watched the documentary Mmm, so I watched the documentary and I'm like, oh no Same thing. It's like these fucking people don't all the lives lost They lived 20 years these poor people wasted 20 years of their life following this fucking asshole, and he's got this building. But the reason why he bought the building was because of Waco. So when Waco pops off, they were like,

oh, geez, these cults are fucking dangerous. So the cult awareness network starts going after everybody. So this guy moves here and changes his name. So because like, back then, you could kind of change, no internet, you kind of change your name and know, oh, it's a different guy. And so he builds, he has his whole, all his followers build him this theater. So for a brief period of time, I was on the contract for that theater. Do you go in there building? Oh yeah. Was it creepy in there? It was a little weird. This guy would like, he had this theater, this beautiful theater, he had it built so

he could dance in front of his followers so he could perform in front of his followers. He was a weird cat. He was like a really handsome guy when he was younger. But then as he got older, he started getting plastic surgery and got looked real weird. And he would like be thinking about getting something done. So he'd force one of his followers to go get it done. And so they'd get it done. They'd come back with their fucking cheeks, so they'd be like, hmm, I kind of like that. And then he would go and get the surgery done. The end of it, the end of the documentary, he looks really fucking weird because he's

got Botox and fucking weird shit to his face. Yeah, but the feeling in the building was just like, like a loss. That's what it felt like, loss. Like just, oh no. You know, like you don't want to buy a house from some people that they went bankrupt and they lost everything and their family fell apart and then you're in the house like, ooh.

This house feels like sadness. I felt like we could burn some sage and fucking party in there for a few days. We'll clean it up. Get some good energy in. But now I'm glad, I'm glad that that didn't happen. Why even go through that? Yeah. Well, it was kind of funny at first. I thought it was funny until I felt, you know, occult owned it. Oh, this is funny. And then my buddy Adam called me up and said, Hey, you watch a documentary on that cult?

I was like, Oh no, there's a documentary. Never good. Yeah. They don't like doc make documentaries about the good cults. No. And it was a fucking, it was horrible. At the end of the documentary, like you're tearing up, you're like, oh, these poor fucking people. Because these are so many people, some people are just gullible and they're not bad people. They just want someone better than them to tell them how to live life. Yeah, they need something. They need someone. They're missing something, whatever it is, something went wrong, and they're willing to believe a lot of really ridiculous shit, and then 20 years later they realize they wasted their life. People do a lot of weird shit, call it religion. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, and that was this place. Yeah, but

That was because of Waco. That this guy built this thing. Yeah. Damn. The Waco thing's fucked. You ever watched the raid? I know. Yeah. I mean the raid kind of like we got the briefings back in the day. Like you know the raid was a couple years old but. Yeah. Yeah I know about the raid. It was pretty fucked. I mean they just cooked those people. Yeah. They burned it down. Oh yeah. If I could see the tanks like shooting fire into the buildings, I don't know what happened caught fire Yeah fire it was back in the 90s when you could kind of get away with something like that and people didn't really know Yeah, yeah, like well, we didn't know it would burn. Well, it is made of wood

Yeah, but I mean we shot fire at it. Yeah, I don't know what happened. Yeah. Yeah Crazy. All right. You ready? I got some other stuff. Well, yeah, what else you got? All right, you ready? I got some other stuff. What else you got? What else you got? So check this out. I Got I got a swag bag for you. Okay, I got a bunch of stuff. I make that I do right So I just kind of want to I like to do this right? Look I got you The sob hat this is the best hat We sell right here. It's the one I wear this on the range every day. Okay. I got you the same T-shirt as me, Team SOB shirt. Right, welcome to the team, Joe.

Thank you. We're glad to have you. One of my second favorite shirt of all times is this, and I wear this every day when I elk hunt. Do you really? Oh wait, oh no, this is the wrong one. I got a shirt, I sell these shirts, they're called Slaughter Things, and it's all I wear an elk can

But look we got you shut up hippie shirt, I sell a ton of these like I wear Got you shut up hippie shirt, I when I go to California teach California classes I I wear a shut up heavy shirt all the time. And then tons of guys buy them. I had a guy, he comes to my classes, he's a younger kid, he's tall, got a young family, right? They go to I think Asheville, North Carolina, and they're eating at like some destination,

like you got to go eat here, and it's a bus. So he's a big guy, right? And he's in this like school bus, and that's where you got to order in it's a bus. So he's a big guy, right? And he's in this like school bus and that's where you got to order is in this old school bus. So he said like, my shoulders almost touching the ceiling and he had to put his head down and he had to shut up hippie shirt on behind him and some, some hippie behind him was like, better be careful wearing that shirt. You'll get your ass kicked around here. And he, and he says he looks back and he pulled up his shirt and he said better make it a gunfight

And they shut the fuck up. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah. Well North Carolina get your ass kicked Yeah, so funny hippies. That's funny. Okay, so most gentle ass kicking of all time. Yeah. Thank you for that You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay. I got you a condom holster. I make these 365 it's your EDC you you make these out of leather, right? Yeah, they're made out of leather. I saw this on Sean's show. Nice. Yeah, it's all I use, it's all I wear, it is the most comfortable holster.

Here, and that's all the stuff for you. Oh, thank you. I'll give you the bag too, also. Oh, I got a bag. Okay, so check this out, here's another thing I use all the time. The cooling schmog. So basically, I saw this too. You know what the, you know the schmogs, right? Basically I made a cooling towel the size of a schmog. Okay. So like when I'm on the range, literally I just dump a bottle of water in my neck. The fucking thing absorbs it. What's it made out

of? It's the cooling material, you know, like the cooling towel material, right? But the problem with most cooling towels is they're not big enough. So it's like one layer on your neck and it dries in like two minutes. This, this you could kind of get double it up, pour water on it. It'll stay cool for a long time. Because I've seen people, they're making gear and clothes out of like this cooling material. What is it? I don't know. I think it's like the way it's woven to where when the water

drains out of it, it cools quicker. And it's materials that cool clicker or feel cool to the touch kind of deal without knowing what it is. I've heard like people talk about clothes that they make out of this. They're like, it's really legit. Like for whatever reason, it like keeps you cooler. I would wear t-shirts on the range made of that shit every fucking day. I'm outside. Yeah. Yeah, fuck yeah Mmm, especially in the heat. You know what I mean? Okay, so check it out. I got you a couple slings I don't know if you have rifles, but okay 100% made in America Everything on the sling is made. There's a QD on there. I make Traditionally QDs in the gun world If somebody wants to buy any of this stuff,

where do they get it online? Sheriff of Baghdad, Joe. Sheriffofbagdad.com? That's right, that's right. Okay, here's another thing I got you, punchers, punch daggers. So it's G10, I got a few of them here. Oh, okay, so this doesn't even go through a metal detector.

That's right, there's no metal in the sheath. It's all plastic screws, cleans up easy, no DNA. You could clean it in diesel fuel, it'll wash all the DNA off. Diesel fuel? You can wash it in anything. Is that the move? Alcohol, yeah. Diesel fuel is the move? I think so. Just go to the gas station, get on the canisters. Yeah, you could do fucking dish soap, but you can't permeate the plastic. It'll come clean and I sharpen them with I Sharpen them normally with like 400 grit sandpaper It is resharpened with sandpaper

But the reason I made it is I always wanted something where like you I was always wearing my body armor, right? And I wanted to just put the punch dagger right in the center that way if something happened I could get it Right boom and just start fucking punch I mean the whole problem with knives is you got to learn how to use a knife But with a punch dagger if you could throw a punch right you could bury that thing in someone's neck You know what I mean, which is what I would tell anyone Jamie's been looking for one of those for a while Yeah, it's a carl. When Carl gets out of line. Yeah, hey.

It'll clean the DNA off, sand it down, a little alcohol. OK, another thing I made, and this is super important, I call these combat bands. It's a high temperature silicone, but it's a rubber band. The so what here is when I carry this rifle, I put a sling on it. But if I'm in and out of vehicles,

the sling is always just hanging somewhere, right? So I put the rubber band on the gun, and then I just weave the sling underneath the rubber band. So if this touches the barrel, it doesn't melt. Right, right. And then back in the day, I had to use actual rubber bands for parachutes. And if I can last a day, like in the heat in Texas,

a rubber band will last one day in a car Well, well, that's only one day. I might I got to go to out every day in my car, right? so when I retired it's one of the things I wanted the most so I made him the Guys use them like put suppressor covers hold them on there, you know on the suppressor You have great videos online like instructional videos like how to fight out of your car. Yeah. Thank you Yeah, they're really like informative like yeah things I didn't think I was interested in learning Then I started watching this like this guy's fucking thought this shit through. It's all I did Joe like and I'm look I'm a simple guy. Let me just show you how I did this

Right, maybe you come up with a better way. I don't know, right? But I think this is like, this is the difference between the Army and the unit. In the Army, they're like, here's a gun, kid, go use it. In the unit, they're like, let me show you to the nth degree how to use that rifle. So when something happens, guess what? You know what I'm saying?

So it's the difference between showing someone something and teaching someone something. and I think those are different And I think I think that's what the unit was good at Here's some of my favorite things the boot kits Solomon boots made for the military. I've been wearing Solomon boots You'll see a set of Solomon boots in the Saddam picture. I had to within this year. Yeah, yeah, it's all I wear Solomon's right? Well if you got the quests you know how the laces kind of come. Yep. So like the running shoes. Yeah, yeah. So I turn them into like the running shoes. Nice. Yeah we sell a ton of those. Okay. And what do you do with the extra

lace? Cut it off. I cut it off. I loosen the boot where I get my foot out and I cut the excess off and put the end on So so I don't have like three feet of laces. I only have like eight or ten inches, right? I mean six inches whatever it is. Okay These are these are some of my best things This is a I would call it a scribe tool Right in the fact set that it's a carpenter pencil makes sense you know a carpenter pencil but the middle is g10 same thing as the punch knife so it's for stabbing a lot of guys carry them go through metal

detectors a lot of guys carry them airports like these things I get pictures of these things everywhere yeah I I made it fist-sized so you could punch with it or kind of get a good stab with it If you wanted you know I mean something I always wanted smart. Yeah, yeah, I have a pencil like that Yeah, someone gave me yep. Yep, okay, so check this out you here's a bunch of stickers we make Some of the things that happen on the range, blind guys, I always tell them they can't see shit. You know how like when you shoot and guys like really push their butt backwards,

I call that the prison wallet, you know what I mean? They'll be like, you're showing me your prison wallet, you know what I mean? So there's a lot of stickers, they're like funny shit. I tell guys all the time, like a guy will be shooting good all day long and the end of the day You'll fuck something up and I'll just come up All I gotta do is whisper to a guy be like sucks to suck don't it and the guy be like You know what I mean?

So all the stickers are just funny shit that happens on the range, right? And then look, this is the premise of the NRA show. We talked about earlier is I made a little card of the NRA show we talked about earlier is I made a little card. The gun world is sketchy information at best, generally speaking, of where your bullets go and why. Like it's fucking magic. This is about eye dominance. Now, one side's eye dominance, the other one is how to fix yourself, where the bullets go and why. Makes sense? Yeah. So look, this edge.

Hurry up. Well, how you know? Yeah. So look this edge. Grip. Yeah. So look this edge. Tension on the left hand. Yep. And then like you use this edge. So if your group is generally tall, right, you got stance issues. And then as you see your group, whatever angle it's on, the arrows point to it and tell you how to fix it. Interesting. Now backside eye dominance this is where the gun world fucks up and I'll tell you this the gun world talks about two things for eyes primary hand primary eye right-handed right eye dominant. They talk about being cross-eye dominant right-handed left eye dominant right?? Okay, here's how the vision I think really works.

Okay, being primary hand, primary eye, is the guy who makes all the rules in shooting. You should open your eyes, you should do this, right? He makes all the rules, but the reality is, is his vision is his right eye on a scale of one to 10, he'll tell you borderline 11, because it's that fucking good, you know what I mean? Borderline eleven in the good eye. Ask him the vision in his other eye, and he's going to tell you heart eight. It's not really so good.

This guy will always be able to keep the other eye open. Makes sense? Ah, yes. Okay, now, these are the same thing. Whether your primary hand, primary eye eye or cross eye dominant, it's the same thing. You have a strong eye and a weak eye and the strong eye takes over. Doesn't fucking matter. Strong eye takes over. Right. Fucking easy for you.

Okay. This is one out of 10. The other nine are what I call eye neutral, right? They don't have a dominant eye and either eye could take over at any time because either eye on a pistol could see the sights at any time. And this is where people get fucked up. That makes sense with archery too. 100%.

It's the same. I don't like to keep both eyes open. I've tried it. Yeah. Well, that's because you're what I would call eye neutral. Say what I'm saying? And then I would also say this, if you have a gray hair on your head, you're closer to being eye neutral than any eye dominant any fucking thing because of life.

And the reason I would tell you that is because the part of the brain that works the eyes is like the part of the brain that works the ears. It's the part of the brain that works the legs and the arms. They work all these things on your subconscious I I think, work better together and are stronger together. What do I mean by that? You know, when it comes to leg day, dudes are like, dude, man, bro, on a squat 500 on leg day.

Okay, does that mean you can do 250 pounds with one leg? No, you can't probably, right? Because the legs are stronger together than they are independently. And this is a function of the deep part of your brain, the fast part of your brain, right? So having said that, you can't choose an ear, can you? Right. The only way you can choose an eye is the eyelid, which has nothing to do with vision or dominance. See what I'm saying?

That makes sense. I've never heard anybody say that before, but now that you're saying it, I'm like, okay. Yeah. So if you look at the card, right, if you're like right-handed, right eye dominant, you should be hitting in the middle of the circle there, right? But if your left eye takes over, look where the rounds will go. And it'll always be, look, it'll always be eye distance apart on your target. So people that have eye issues, they don't shoot one group, they shoot two groups, one for each eye, and the gun goes left eye, right eye, left eye, right eye. Evan was telling me that he learned to

practice left-handed a lot. Yeah. And he practices things even though he's right-hand dominant. Yeah. It helped the right side to practice with the left side. Yeah. do you subscribe to that? Yes, I do and I'll tell you why before I retired from the army. I tore my bicep out of my out of my left arm I'm left-handed so I went and turned in all my left-handed holsters and got right-handed Holsters and I was like I'm gonna train myself to be right-handed here forward. Cause the VA said I'd never use my left hand again. Um, so I was like, okay, fuck you guys. I'll be a righty.

You can't slow me down. You know what I mean? Uh, and then I started training as a righty. Took me about two weeks. I was fucked up. It was tough. You know what I mean? I had to stick with it.

Fucking a lot of frustrating days. And after about two weeks, my brain just transferred all that skill to the right hand. And I just fucking rocked it from then on out. It makes sense because you have this mental memory of excellence with one side. You just have to... Well, think about this. If you actually knew perfect practice, you could switch that to the other hand. But if you never knew perfect practice, the other hand would get the same garbage. Right.

That makes sense. Yeah. So... The eye thing completely makes sense. And I've never heard anybody say it before. Everybody says you should keep both eyes open. Well, you should. But the guy who made that rule has a strong eye and a weak eye, and he can do that.

Where you, your brain, when I say someone is eye neutral, your brain treats your eyes as equal. What does that mean? Your vision could be shit. It could be great. But the brain says, I got two windows. I look out of this one. Let me look out of that one. And you'll see going back and forth. You'll see the gun move. You'll see the head move and there. And then most of the time it just like it's no good. You just not seeing it good. Make

sense? It does. Are you one of those guys that resists red dots? Or do you? I don't get a shit. You know what I mean? But did you bring thatists red dots or do you? Don't get a shit, you know the main thing At all, so because iron sights never fail you they're always there. No batteries. I am NOT a red dot guy I'm an iron sight guy. However, let me explain myself. The internet knows me as a red dot hater But you know, I'm taking that video and I'm gonna draw one line through that red dot back to your face And if it don't point Exactly to your eye you're shooting and not seeing shit and every time I show this to somebody like so you're against red dots No

You're never gonna catch the red dock and unless you get better technique And you know technique with iron sights well No, you can have good technique with a red dot also if you had fucking good technique and someone showed it to you, but no one shows it to you, right? The next thing with the red dot is the red dot is great for guys who don't see well, because what happens is the red dot becomes in between you, your eye, and the target. Makes sense essentially, right? So you'll be able to see that. But what no one tells you is it's harder to learn harder to master

Mmm, so you need it, but you need to train with it properly or it's not doing why is it already learned? few reasons You know the if you look at pro shooters High level pro shooters guys that are like fucking insanely fast winning, you know high level pro shooters, guys that are like fucking insanely fast winning, you know, national Ipsic champs, Rob Latham, Dave Savigny, you look at these guys, what you'll see is like, they're so much more efficient than anyone else, right? And they'll use a way bigger site, like I think the winningest site of all time and like gun games is, it's like the Seymour STS but it's like more of the size of a beer can than then it is the little tactical site right so now when you shrink that thing down to a

postage stamp they put a coating on it so it doesn't fucking reflect or whatever but you can't see through it well and they curve the glass which anyone who shoots rifle scopes will tell you fish eye's a fucking real thing. But this red dot has all these things going on, and it's supposed to be better for a guy who don't see shit. That's interesting. And it just becomes harder to do.

And then once you show them how to get it right, they'll never have problems again. But it's all about showing them how to get it right. And then no one talks about that that because they're stuck on you Can't use the right eye or they never get past that how important is it to teach people the right way the first time? So they don't learn shit man Everyone has a preconceived notion of what they think they should do whether you've shot before or not and I'm gonna have to unfuck that do whether you've shot before or not and I'm gonna have to unfuck that no matter what no matter what so it's like you know it's like kind of like in the dojo

where it's like okay I want you to do like 20 good 20 shitty arm bars and then we'll we'll get the hips better on the next 20 we'll tweak the hand on the next 20 well you know what I mean, get some of them bulk movements down first, and then we keep fine tuning. Right. Fine tuning. Yeah. So, it doesn't matter. I mean, look, even if you learned how to punch from John Jones on your first day, you wouldn't go out and win a match that night. Right.

You know what I mean? So, I think it's like, I always, I tell people this all the time, one percent better a day. Just one percent. That's what I'm looking for today. If I can be one percent better today than I was yesterday, well, that's 365 percent by the end of the year and I didn't do much every day. You know what I mean? So I always tell people like shooting or a skill like this is a marathon, not a sprint.

So it's better. That's with everything, right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so too. And I tell you, like, you know, if you think you're gonna have to pull a gun and save your family one day, you should be practicing a few times a week. Yeah. You know, and it doesn't have to be much, but you should be practicing a little bit. Yeah. Getting this gun out shouldn't be a shock to you when the time comes, because it's not going to come to you then. Right. Yeah. That's great advice. Yeah. Do you enjoy teaching? I fucking love teaching. I love helping people. Now that I'm doing jits again, a lot of people

want me to show them like fucking cars and guns and jits and guns. And I don't know if I'm ready to take my sanity past time and turn it into work. You know what I'm saying? So I Play with guns now and a lot of guys have told me I need to be like, you know You like the car bailouts like all this shit like I do I'm afraid to ruin jujitsu is work So I've been I've been reluctant and I always tell people I'll never teach jujitsu But like I fucking teach anyone everything.

I mean, if we can get better today, let's talk about it. One thing about teaching jiu-jitsu though is I think it makes you better at jiu-jitsu. I think it's selfish. It's like a good thing for you. Well, okay, you know this, you're a black belt, right? Every day you went to a dojo, you were trying to hand that black belt his ass and then you get your black belt and now everyone every day the rest of your life is trying to hand you your ass you know I mean it's a fucking thankless job yeah no no one's

trying to hand you ass fuck yeah let's go that's the beautiful thing about jiu-jitsu too you don't really yeah you don't catch any breaks you might get one day where there's like oh there's only blue belts here. I love it when someone forces me into like real survival mode. Now I'm not talking about like, you know, you got a triangle and I'm just gonna ride this. I'm talking like someone like,

I'm like fucking, I gotta do something now. I fucking love that, man. How are you avoiding injuries? Okay, so first and foremost, I started out, I don't even take Motrin, I try to take no drugs. After I got off the pills from the VA and started getting active, and I try not to take any medicines at all,

I went to Master Worlds and motherfuckers are yoked up fucking as the gear is out, you know what I mean? These motherfuckers are yoked up fucking as the gear is out you know what I mean like these motherfuckers are working out since last year just a fucking stroke of motherfucker today right so like I was a little unprepared this year for worlds in that aspect but I'm all for the peptides I'm all for the t art I'm not against any of it per se and and I think that's a I did the peptides I just I'm not against any of it per se. And I think that's a, I did the peptides. I just, I don't like shots. And I won't give myself a shot.

You were talking about that on Sean Ryan's show. You don't like piercing your skin. Yeah, like I don't like that. I don't know why. That's so weird. I know. It's so weird. A guy who's been through everything that you've been through is like, needles, sketch me out.

I mean, just give it, it doesn't hurt. Like I'm not a sissy about it, but it's like- But peptides are so easy though. I know. Well, I took the pills. I took the pill once. PPC 157? Yeah. And I'll tell you like- Super legit. Uh, what is it? Gary Brekka, that guy. He talks about redheaded people. I'm a redheaded people. I got pale skin. You know, redheaded people have better pain tolerance

Yeah, I well I take drugs different I think there's a thing about that though to see Google that redheaded people have better pain my whole life I've taken drugs differently like I don't get Percocet. I get diluted So I think like you got roofied like everybody else conked out. Yeah, I'm just in over party mode. You are also talking about on Sean's show that you take you have the thing that Jamie has where you could take a lot of edibles and you don't feel it. Oh yeah, the weed gummies are fucking worth it. Some studies have found that redheads have a lower pain threshold but other studies have found the opposite. Oh, okay. So it's all

fucked up. Inconclusive. Yeah, but um um, yeah, it depends on the individual. So, but I will tell you this, it healed my stomach and my healing went from like a week or two to like four days. BBC 157 is very legit. Yeah, and so anyway, I want to do more in the future. I'd like to, I kind of want to do it all. Like, I to, I'd kind of want to do it all. Like, I mean, I'm fucking, I'm 54, man. Yeah, that's why I was asking you, like, what are you doing to avoid injuries? Okay, so besides that, I do cardio.

A couple years ago, my first elk hunt, my first elk bow hunt, we ride up to like 9,000 feet and then like walked up three miles from there. Like, yo, I was 280 at one time. That was a fucking hell of a walk for a fat motherfucker up that fucking mountain. And then I hunt with these old guys. And then the two guys I was with like two of the guys have hearing aids. And the other ones right from guns. I don't know, just older. Yeah, yeah, they're hunters, right?

So both of them got hearing aids, and the front one looks back to the second one, both good friends of mine, and was like, turn your hearing aids down so you ain't gotta hear them breathe so fucking loud. And I'm like, I heard you, motherfucker, you! So I told myself I was gonna start walking 30 30 minutes a day and that was fucking hard. And then now I do like an hour of cardio. I could run but I don't. But I started again. I need to be running a little bit for cardio.

I treat strength as two different things. I spent about a year with 15 pound dumbbells, just like rehabbing motion, movement, joints, and it was a lot of fucking pain. And then, you know, now I'm getting stronger every day. I've been, you know, power athlete, big John, but I kind of look at strength two different ways. I try to do strength days where it's like the traditional squats, deads, like all the big ones, push pullspulls, all of

it, covered all. And then I see it as conditioning as something separate, right? And conditioning would be lighter weight, like crossfit, like round, without knowing how to say it better. But the steps, fucking, I'm going to tell you this, I'll tell anybody this, you want to fucking start losing weight, it starts at 10,000 fucking steps a day. Get your ass out there, start fucking walking. And then the next thing I did is I went to a competition class by Sean's in Tennessee, and I got a diet, I got workouts, I got an app, I tracked my diet.

I did right before Worlds, I was at 170 grams of protein, 1800 calories a day. And I- You're very strict about it. Yeah, and I shredded weight. I cut down, I was probably 240, I cut down to 222. I was the smallest human being in fucking 222 cause everyone's yoked up like fucking mad men.

And they probably all cut weight too.. Well my coaches were like, you know And I can't believe I even listen this but they're like man, it's the 55 bracket like it's guys like you This is their pastime. You know what I mean today is not the same. Yo these motherfuckers will cut This is fucking killer season out at this bitch. You know what I mean? Like I was unprepared for man I had this big Mongolian motherfucker, you know Edwin Edwin Jammy bitch you know what I mean like I was unprepared man I had this big Mongolian motherfucker you know Edwin Nedwin Jammy you know Edwin Edwin Gracie Barra Tarzana California right Edwin's like a jujitsu legend he's at Worlds who's your coach I don't fucking have a coach is me my backpack and a gi let's fucking get this fight going bitch and he's like well coach you and I'm like okay you know I mean I don't got a coach and then like

right before we walk out on the mat he's like yo ref are they the same weight class and I'm like yo my man Ed this is my coach right here my man like you know what I mean but like this dude was fucking huge and he was one of them Mongolian jacket wrestlers you've done this oh I've seen that I couldn't I couldn't get the takedown and then we went down on the ground. He hit me with a fucking paper cutter, popped my head out, tried to choke me again, fucking got out of it. But as I was getting up, I knew I needed to keep this guy in the ground. But guess what, man? When you get in trouble, guess what you do? You stand the fuck up and this

dude stand up. And I knew I wasn't getting my two points back and then I was just fucking exhausted. Like I was fucking gassed. You decided to ramp up the conditioning. Yeah, fuck yeah, man. This year I'm fucking winning. I'm fucking world champion, Joe. I'm the toughest old motherfucker I fucking know. You know, God damn it.

Let's fucking go. I'm going to figure this shit out. But I will tell you, I think what I didn't know is you gotta train to compete to compete well. And I fucking fight. And I wanna fight. And I wanna get smashed. And I wanna fucking, I wanna almost lose this fight ten fucking times to finally get that

fucking submission on you. And that's a great fight to me. And like, yo, yeah, yeah, you just lost 13 points on that. And then if you don't get the submission, you just lost 13 points on that. You know what I mean? So it's a different animal. That's the interesting thing about treating it like the sport versus what you get out of it.

What you like. And I'll tell you this is like, I probably could have changed the match if I would have pulled guard around three minutes in. I never pulled guard in my fucking life. Like what kind of fucking asshole pulls fucking guard? Well, I figured it out. I'll tell you what kind of asshole. When you can't take a bigger motherfucker down,

this is maybe what pulling guard's for. Or in the real world, walk the fuck away before you fucking just get fucking smashed out here. You know what I mean? Thinking you're something you ain't Do you spend a lot of time practicing off your back? Big guys don't start there fucking get my neck. Let's go you can't take I will give you my back just to fucking get out I don't give good

I always like honestly when I when I'm like when I'm just at the dojo, like girls or smaller people, right? I try not to smash them. And I'll tell them, like, hey, if I get on top, just fucking sweep me, stay on top of me the whole time. And I just fucking let them go at me. Like, what's your best shit? Yeah, I would just pretend that I'm weak. When I would roll with someone who's weak,

I would pretend I'm weak. I think that's the best way to do it. Like, no strength. I'm never going to use strength. I think that's, Hickson always said that defense was more important than anything. He said, I am always safe. No matter where I am, I am always safe. Defense.

You're fucking, hey, your Hickson is great, by the way. You've seen Choke? You've seen the documentary? I have not seen Choke, but I just finished his new book the Dark one dark dark Hickson came out with a new book. I just I just Booked it because he's got Parkinson's now. Yeah, but you know, he's got the breathe book But he just came out with a new one. I just listened to it like last week You know what I mean? Yeah, but you gotta watch choke. I got to one of the greatest documentaries of all time

I know I've heard for a martial artist I've heard incredible. It's Hickson in his prime Competing in Japan Valley Tuto and just you see him training and doing his yoga and all the crazy breathing shit where stomach Yeah, he uh when he was testing me for my purple belt he was like Yes Yes. Yeah, when when I lay on the ground I am when he was testing me for my purple belt, he was like, yes, yes, yeah, when I lay on the ground, I am flat. He's like, when you lay on the ground, you are not flat. You should roll more.

I'm like, I know you know enough English just to call me fucking fat, you know what I mean? But God damn it. You should roll more. Yeah, I should roll, yeah. And he's showing me like rolls from side control, enough English just to call me fucking fat you know what I mean? But god damn it. He showed me like rolls from side control, getting out of stuff because I am more round than I am flat and it's kind of like you know fat guys should roll more, it's hard to stop you know. So he had there's some real fucking wisdom in there you know what I mean? But

it's like I always like how like they know enough English to insult you but they'll say it like their way you know. It's just being practical. Yeah, yeah, no it's like I always like how like they know enough English to assault you but they'll say it like their way, you know Yes, you are just being practical. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's just real talk and that's what he does Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool getting your purple belt from that guy. I Am the only person so okay. I had to do the paperwork, you know There's other like big-time Hicks and black belts out there that kind of police up all Everybody so when you go to worlds or you fight, you know Like these guys and they told me they would they'd get me under their paperwork

But literally I did the paperwork with IB JJF and I sent it to Hickson and he filled out the paperwork But like I didn't know I sent him the paperwork and it's like one of them forms We just sign it with your finger on your phone like super easy. sent it to Hicks and I was like, hey coach. We got a form We got a fun sign and he's not he's not a member any of these organizations anymore So like I didn't know how this would go and they're like sent me a fucking paper copy and I like have mr Gracie sign this signature, right? So I I text it to Hicks and I'm like a coach Can you sign my paperwork for worlds real quick and he texted me right back and he's

like hey champ I'm looking for a printer now as soon as I find one I'll sign this and I was just thinking fuck I don't even know who's got a print I don't even have a printer in my fucking house like if Hicks is looking for a printer I think he just told me no like like fuck and I mean? Like, fuck. And then like a couple days later, he sent it back to me signed, right? I think probably his wife was like, Oh, Hickson, you know, look, you know what I mean? Like, I just didn't think, I think he kind of didn't know, but he got back to me and then they sent me, I had to do this a few times. And then I was the only guy, I'm the only belted guy fighting under Hickson in Masters right now. Yeah

that's pretty fucking cool. Yeah, and then I would say this for jiu-jitsu for me is like I'm so glad it is where it is these days cuz back in the day I mean think about this back in the day. I travel all the time. I'm in a different dojo fucking weekly You know, I might be here for four days. I try to get three days of jits, I'm in fucking Waco, I'm going to fucking places. I've been in 26 different dojos this year, like doing jits.

Back in the day, that was fucking creante, you know what I mean? Fucking monsters in Portuguese, right? Because you don't have no loyalty, you don't have no fucking, and the reality is like, I'm just never home. I don't wanna be unloyal to anybody anybody I'm loyal to everybody but I just want to get rounds and I'm so glad the jiu-jitsu world is so fucking welcoming these days

meaning like like I don't have to show up and fight right much more open-minded yeah they're happy to welcome people from other schools the only the only the only person that was like why are you you here was Cyborg at Fight Sports. Oh really? Yeah, you know Cyborg? Yeah, sure. He's great. And you know Roosevelt?

He's quite savage. You know Roosevelt, the tall guy that hangs out with him? I don't. Tallest black belt I've ever seen. Tallest Brazilian I've ever seen, right? So he's one of the black belts down there with with him with cyborg and I'm out there and I'm like at the time I was blue belt You know what I mean, and I was probably I don't know 250

I was kind of fat and like fight sports is like old-school Brazilian jujitsu where we're gonna shrimp across the mat we do fucking all this I don't give a fuck if you lose in jujitsu today, but you're gonna be tough, right? So it's that kind of shit and that's how Carlson Gracie's was. Yeah. Yeah, you even got to the class You were fucking exhausted. Yeah, the class hasn't started yet, right? So I'm out on the mat. I'm breathing hard I'm just kind of doing my thing and Roosevelt the big tall black belt comes over and he was like man. He's like you are my inspiration I'm like I am coach. I'm your inspiration. He's like, yes

He's like you are out here. You are doing this man he was like you are everyone's inspiration and I'm looking around and like everyone's rolling like and And then like everyone stops cuz like he's talking to me You know what? I mean, and I know everyone's looking at me and I'm like what in the fuck is going on, right? know what I mean? And now everyone's looking at me and I'm like, what in the fuck is going on? Right? So he was like, you are here. You are doing this. You were old. You are my inspiration. And I'm like, thanks coach. I was like, and then like, I didn't need a break, but I was like, fuck after that talk, maybe I do need a break. So I was like, maybe I do need a break coach. And he was like, okay, fix your key. So I fixed my gear, tie my belt. He's like, run laps around the practice until you're ready to practice

again. It was like, man, that's fucking worse. I wasn't, I didn't even need the fucking break. And he gave me the old speech. So I agreed. And then, and then I had a run. I thought that was more embarrassing running laps around everybody. Right. But like, like when he said he wanted to give me a break, like the fucking breaks, there's like screech to a halt. Everybody was like, did he just say, like, does that guy, why the fuck does that guy get a break? You know what I mean? Your break was due lapsed. Yeah. And then Cyberg came up to me and they didn't, I didn't have a gi yet. I hadn't bought

a gi and I hadn't found a gi that fit me. So I had, I just bought a gi but only had a white belt, right? I got the gi at Gracie Raleigh, my home dojo, right? And then they only had a white belt. So I had a white belt. So I was white belt in it, but really I was a blue belt. So, and when it came to rolling Cyborg is like, who are you, man? I'm like, coach? And he's like, who are you, man? Who are you? I thought you were like a spy like coach and he's like who are you man who are you? Yeah he's like why are you here and I'm like I just I just well my brother lives here coach and I called ahead of time and I asked if I could come do jujitsu I'm just trying to get a couple days while I'm on the road he's like man you

are no white belt who are you what are you doing here and I was like well I'm actually a blue belt coach and he was was like, why didn't you? And then they got a wall of like old belts, which is like the coolest thing I ever fucking seen. Like a hundred just old different, all kinds of belts. It's fucking cool as fuck, my opinion. But he was like, why didn't you get one off the extra belt? And I was like, well, you didn't have one coach.

And he let he thinks for a second. He was like, you are right. There's not one your size on the wall and I was like, holy fuck There's a ton of belts there for him to even know that like because I went through all of them and couldn't fit one You know and he was like, okay, so he was just concerned you were saying bagging or trying to get in. Yeah I don't know. Yeah, but they were great with me like shout out to Cyborg and Roosevelt hard dudes Yeah, they're fucking they're hard down there Yeah, but I've been in 26 They were great with me, like shout out to Cyborg and Roosevelt. Hard dudes. Yeah, they're fucking, they're hard down there.

Wagner Rocha, all those guys down there. But I've been in 26, I think 26 dojos this year, man. That's wild. And then- So you're all in. I'm all in, man. I'm in all the time. And then like, so one of the things is like, I can only go to Hickson and get promoted

because I'm never in one dojo long enough to like earn a stripe or earn a... So I think it's like a, I don't know, I feel like I'm fortunate of where I am, you know what I mean? And then honestly, the reason I went to Hickson is because I could. And I figured if I need to be tested for a belt, like who else yeah test me you know what I mean when you get your black belt you get a black belt from Hicks and it's like there's very few black belts that hold that kind of weight yeah there's like Enzo yeah yeah Jean-Jacques Machado there's a few of those like old-school legendary belts yeah yeah fuck Megaton Diaz it's like legendary old-school belts, you know, yeah

Higgin yeah Higgin. Yeah. Yeah, I love Higgin. I know I love I actually was Higgins Corner guy when he was in Abu Dhabi in 2003. I was you were yelling his time out. Yeah, cuz I was there with Eddie Bravo Oh, yeah, that's right, you know, we all trained in the Machado So I know Higgin and then he was like my friend do the time for me And so like he was like he was kind of out of shape He's still fucking people up Yeah He wanted to know like give me tell me when there's like a minute to go

It's like I really fucking hit the gas like a coast for a little bit Decide when to go. Yeah, I love it. I call it like I call it fat guy jiu-jitsu And I think people are shocked when I say that term, but really it's It's like the I don't know the Dan or her ageless stuff There's there's stuff that bigger guys less athletic Right are gonna have to do because they can't do a flying whatever they can't you know what I mean and like I Love his smash game and I so I a, I went to the Machado camp. It was him, Roger, Carlos, and John.

Oh, John Machado, I love that guy too. You know John? Sure. He carries, he carries condom holsters. Nice. Yeah, he's great, man. But I went to their summer camp and I was like, hey, can I get a picture?

And like, he was sitting on the couch and Carlos is like, you know typical bigger brother shit Get the fuck up. You're lazy kind of dog enough So I was like I was like you don't have to get up coach. So I sat on his lap Yeah, I went to a machado camp this year I spent a lot of time with Rafael Lovato I love that dude. That guy's a fucking legend. Yeah, he is I I got invited to Philippa costas kind of an affiliate training with Rafael like shout out to Rafael

he's a fucking amazing every one of his black belts gave me time like and then Philippa costa like Just fucking next level, man. And it gives me hope as an old guy. Like I know I'm 55 and I know I want to win the fucking 55 year old bracket, but why the fuck do I need to be in the 55 year old bracket? You know what I mean?

If my jiu jitsu is good enough, I should be able to fight anyone, right? And that's what gives me hope of fucking carrying on that one day like, because I know all I do is fight these young guys And yeah, sure. They beat me right now, but like you know, how many times did Helio get crushed? Right, you know what I'm saying? So like it's the beauty of jiu-jitsu is the age should be fucking the least in this equation You know, right? So that's kind of where I stand and I'll tell you man Anytime someone can fucking put it to me where I'm about to go down I couldn't be fucking happier man I had this black belt the other day out of nowhere just fucking smash me and like and then he lets me tap he lets me up and none just got the biggest smile on my face and he was like looking at me and I was like that was fucking amazing

coach. I was like you ain't never smashed me like that right and he just kind of looking at me and just fucking tackled him again. You know what I mean? Fucking went right back to smashing me. You know what I mean? Like I just fucking love it man. Well that's the best attitude for learning. There's no better. Well I as a human being I need to learn something every day. I think you're the same way in a lot of ways. Like, I don't care what it is. I think it's good for you. Yeah, I do too.

I think it keeps your brain healthy. One hundred percent. I think it keeps Alzheimer, fucking all that bullshit away. Yeah, I think that's why people get old. It's one of the reasons other than your body failing, is your mind gets old. Yeah. You're not stimulating it. Yeah, for real, right?

John, this is a fucking awesome conversation. Thanks, man. I really appreciate it. Yeah. I had not stimulating it. Yeah for real, right John. This is a fucking awesome conversation. Thanks. I really appreciate it Yeah, I had a great time. Yeah, thank you, and I can't wait to read your book. So, okay I'm gonna get some rounds in the future and you're healthy. Yes. All right I'd love to get some rounds with you for sure. I definitely want to come back kill Tony last night fucking a man It's like bucket list you can come to club anytime you want man I couldn't thank you enough. Like, I know I came here yesterday. Not a big deal to me, right? Because like, yo, I got killed Tony out of this deal. Like, last night was fucking funny, man. This guy told a joke last night. The funniest fucking joke I think I ever heard in my life.

I don't know if I could say it or not. Who is it? Which guy? Who does he look like? There was a guy, just kinda shorter guy, a white guy, beard, and he just read jokes. He just said like random jokes. Oh, was one of the bucket poles? Yeah, as a bucket pole guy. Oh, okay, cool. And then like, he said this joke, you wanna hear it?

Sure. Okay. This is the fucking funniest thing I heard in a long time. Why don't police have turtles as pets? Why? Because you can't kneel on their neck. I was like, oh my fucking God, like next level right there. Well listen brother, anytime you want to come to the club. Thanks more than welcome

Thank you very much for being here. Oh man. It was a great conversation. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for all the swag Yeah, hold the evil hat. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I gotta put it back in its box I want to find you online sheriff of Baghdad dot com sheriff of Baghdad sob tactical either one will get you to me like you just you die you You type in share of a bag then a ton of shit of me pops up and someone whoever the publisher is yeah Hop on it. Yeah, I'm sure hit me up. I'm sure that books insane. All right. Yeah. Thank you very much, brother Appreciate you. All right. Bye everybody Bye!