The Joe Rogan Experience - #2242 - Bert Sorin

Episode Date: December 12, 2024

Bert Sorin is the president and co-founder of Sorin Exercise Equipment, as well as an athlete, hunter, and advocate for the health and wellness of veterans. www.sorinex.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Good to see you, brother. What's going on, man? Good to see you, man. Thank you very much for that extraordinary piece of athletic equipment you brought to the gym. Absolutely.

Is there a photo of that so we could show people what it looks like yeah It should be on the website x-factor, and what is it called? It's called the x-factor It's called the web site soren x.com go to soren x.com check out the x-factor So it's actually pull it up, Jamie pull it up. Isn't that nice to say? It's big so this is the machine. Yeah, it's actually judge who was here a minute ago Yeah It's big. So this is the machine. Yeah, it's actually judge who was here a minute ago Yeah, it's a brilliant machine man the idea that you could push and pull rotation or rotational power machine it really is a genius idea man and for things like striking sports

That's huge like the ability to push and pull at the same time while stabilizing your core I mean that is undoubtedly going to help people like, you're definitely going to be able to deliver more power and strikes. Right. Because you take the ground force and then be able to put it through, obviously, what the core excess, all three planes of motion, all we obviously go through your core and then puts puts it into either your feet or your arms. It's just so unusual that you can do something like that. I mean, I guess you kind of can do something like that

with cables, with the cable machine, but that seems better. Yeah, because you have a little bit of a balance component as well, but you're right, like you're blocking, let's say you're a right hander, you're blocking on that left leg, you're stabilizing out the right hamstring and hip. But yeah, especially when you get that little extra extension, I call it the riblets right there, your obliques, it just locks everything in. So I'm interested to

see what you come up with. It's pretty dope. And you were telling me that this was originally, like you came up with this idea from an older machine that's not around anymore? Yeah. Yeah. So we've, you know, I've been in this industry a long time, and as well as you have, but it's kind of taken a remastered series where we're taking all the cool stuff that was, could have been our designs, but it could have been just old designs that are just kind of lost to the ages.

And you're like, hey, that was a cool piece, but it sucked because you had to load it weird, or it was like, maybe it wasn't as safe as it could have been. And so it's like, let's break the whole thing apart, figure out what was good about it. And then that was like the eighth iteration. We just kept playing with it. And then it was like, when you realize the double access is

what made the user experience cool, then it was like, OK, this is badass. And I sent that video to you. And then a couple colleges have already bought them. And then Ryan Krauser, the world champion and record holder in the shot put, was like, yeah, this is all rotational power, how do we turn that on?

Yeah, it's so cool today because there's so much social media and there's so many videos and YouTube videos of people using equipment. Like 15, 20 years ago you had to go to a gym and go, oh, what is that? Oh, that's cool. Where'd you get that? How's that work?

Where's the company? The big guy in the gym, you had to go, hey, what's the deal? You and I grew up in the same era, where we're going to gyms all the time, and there's a bunch of quacks telling you to do stuff. Always, yeah. And then you use bro scientists. Total bro scientists.

Yeah, and then you're just like, hey, if that guy's really good at something. Back in, back in the day, I would, after I compete, probably much like you, after I compete, I would get whoever was better than me and I would offer to take them out to dinner. And I would just go, Hey, like I feed them beers until they basically told me how they beat me. Just like, well, how much are you cleaning or what are you doing? Then I would pick up some little idiosyncrasy of training. They're like, oh, we would do this contrast. And I'm like, what's that?

And I would just keep digging and digging and digging. I'd go back and figure it out. Well, I remember when I was competing, they would tell you to not lift weights, which is so hilarious. You don't get muscle down, Joe. They used to say that. They used to say it will slow you down

and you'll become tight. And I remember thinking, why don't you just stretch if you're tight? Yeah. What is happening here? So more horsepower makes the car slower? It didn't make any sense to me. It's like they thought that the only exercise you should do is martial arts itself. Just hit the bag, train.

Now when do you think that? Well, you got, you know, Bruce Lee would do, I mean, he did some exercise. Did a lot of isometrics. Yeah, and he had some lifting, but it was always pretty light. But what would you say was the, when that changed? I think it was Evander Holyfield.

I think it was Mackie Shilstone trained Evander Holyfield when he went up to heavyweight. I remember myself at the time, so this was in the 90s, I remember thinking, what is he doing? He's lifting weights? He's going to fuck himself up. Doesn't he know that all these coaches have already figured it out? Then all of a sudden Evander got all these traps and shoulders.

Dude, he was trapped and dealt it out. He got jacked. He became a legitimate heavyweight. Also, pretty sure there was some Mexican supplements involved. Yeah, he might have gone across the border. I mean, I think it's a good time. I think it's a strong possibility that there was some help because also, like you never heard of anybody tested positive for steroids back then. No.

And I know for a Fact that some of those guys were on steroids. I Would not disagree. I know people who know Well cuz up until 91 steroids weren't even illegal as a controlled substance Do you know who caused it to be illegal? Joe Biden. No shit. Yep. That motherfucker. It was all him. Yeah. You know, Derek from more plates, more dates was telling us about it the other day. I'm like that motherfucker. He did it.

That should be alone. Well, I guess the idea is that people could abuse it, right? Right. Here's the deal, folks. You can abuse almost everything. Sure. This is my argument against online gambling. You know, there's a lot of people that think online gambling should be banned because so many people are losing money on online gambling. Shut the fuck up. Do you know how easy it is to not online gamble? It's so easy. You know how easy it is? I've never online gambled. It makes two of us. That's how easy it is to not online gamble? It's so easy. You know how easy it is? I've never online gambled. It makes two of us. That's how easy it is to not online gamble.

I'd probably forget my password to get into the thing, but yeah. Like I'm not discounting the fact that gambling is addictive. I personally know gambling addicts. One of my best friends, Dana White, is a fucking gambling addict. He happens to be insanely wealthy so he can get away with it. But that helps. I grew up in pool halls. I know gambling addicts. I get it.

I'm not one. Yeah. So it's possible to like fucking have some self-control and discipline and willpower. The weird thing, I've never done crack either. Crazy. It's strange. Do you know crack is everywhere and it's a scourge of humanity? I've never done crack.

You know, it's really weird. I'm so I I've never done crack. You know, it's really weird I'm so I've never even seen crack. I've seen it. Yeah, I Saw cocaine once in my entire life, which is wild Based on that is pretty I know a lot of people and it's like yeah Like did they just think I would just say no to that because I grew up in the 80s just say no generation But I haven't seen I didn't think it was like a real thing since I was in high school I've never I'd really yeah, yeah, Which is kind of crazy because I know so many people who do coke. Yeah. But I was at a party in high school last time I saw someone doing

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Call 1-866-531-2600 or visit connexontario.ca. Yeah. Well, I don't do anything like that. don't ever fuck around I've never done coke I never even thought about doing it neither Yeah, but never had to desire because I was around people that were abusing it when I was in high school sure I was like, okay Do you think that's because you're such like a strong personality and like kind of role model that people like a Joe's not Ended that like keep it away from him. You think they're like respectful of that and just kind of know the deal.

They just know I don't want it. Yeah. I think so. I'm just not interested in anything that gives me more confidence. I'm not interested in that. I got plenty of that. I like humility. I'm looking for humility. I don't like confidence boosters. I don't like anything that gives you like a Ridiculous sense of like your yeah, it's like I'm not I'd rather be humble. Yes. I'm not interested I mean delusion meant is a is a strong is a strong suit if sometimes yeah No, and it could get your pound up to definitely. Yeah, I think it gets you pretty far and then your fucking wheels come off It's like when you're skateboarding when you're a kid

You see a guy on a motorcycle and you see when they do that you're like no It's like yeah, Josh rolling on the other day. That was like what he did in Goonies. Remember he had the little bike Oh, that's right. He was talking about the motorcycle all I could think about is my head is him flying off the cliff in Goonies Oh, that's hilarious Yeah, I should have brought that up. We could have had that. I wanted to bring it up so bad. I was on the plane. I was riding a plane. I was like all I could see is that cat in sweatpants with his shorts on top of his sweatpants riding a tricycle or whatever down this hill. He's one of the rare guys that was like

a child actor that turned out really awesome. Yeah, that's a small club. That's a fucking super small club. Yeah. Because everybody that I know, and I know a few people personally that were famous as a young person, they're out of their fucking mind. You know what I say? It's like, look at him.

Hey, I have a good memory. Look at me. How old was he back then? He was probably 17 or 18 18 that's so crazy. Well, he's two years younger than me 85 85. I was 18 So he's probably like where the 80s not so awesome 80s were pretty cool. He's except everybody's worried that Russia was gonna blow us up the true story. Yeah story Yeah, I remember 85, I believe it was 85, going to, I know obviously we're both into archery,

so 85 Rainbow First Blood Part II came out. Pops took me to the movie theater, he and I saw it, and we went straight from there to the archery shop and I got my first bow that day. Really? I still have it. Wow. Yeah, it's awesome.

I still have some of the same arrows. No shit? Yeah, I strangely don't lose things. But yeah, I remember in the backyard shooting, cause like he kind of half taught me and then I was in the backyard zinging arrows and thinking like if I had explosive tips, like a bad ass would this be.

I went to Lanai and you know, they have the Pineapple Brothers has that archery and that brought my whole family. And then they also have this area where you can go and you can like shoot ski and You drive like four four wheelers under the mountains and then they had like traditional archery like bows and arrows And I was like, oh, let me try this. I don't know how to fucking aim. I'm terrible at it I was like a good archer. I should be good at this I thought I could barely hit the fucking target 20 yards away

It's like the science and the art two different things. They're totally totally different Yeah, I've always said like the guys that are traditional hunters, you know trad guys. They're either weirdos or they're absolute killers, right? It's like Aaron Snyder type dudes. Yeah, who are so good at compound archery. They get tired of it Yeah, or they're weird guys that smell like sausage and live in a mom's basement. And they're like, you're like, I, yeah, I know you do that, but you probably go to like ren fairs and stuff too. So I'm not sure what to deal with. Well, at archery country, you know, the local archery shop here in town, whenever I get a new bow or I get a new site and I have to sight it in we go to their they have an indoor range and a lot of times in the indoor range, there's these dorks. Sorry folks dorks with recurves and

They're fucking there's at 20 yards. They're spread. It's like my arm length Barely hitting the target. Don't do that. This is stupid. You don't you don't shoot like a Cardinal direction. I'm sure yes today When they get good like I've seen Schneider like he's such a bonus at 40 that I like the size of a silver dollar But most people struggle pretty hardcore But they say also that if you do want to hunt with it You have to practice every day because it's almost like throwing a ball. Like you know if you're throwing a ball you know how much the ball weighs because you throw it a bunch of

times and you have like this muscle memory that if I throw that hard at 20 yards I'm gonna hit that thing. Yeah it's like a quarterback. Like quarterbacks I know a couple of my buddies who are college quarterbacks they're all good trad archers because they kind of have that hand eye, spatial, they know the curve. Yeah, but you got to be on that. My buddy got into it, Brandon Lilly, powerlifter, he got into it and all he hunted with for a couple years was trad. That cat went to Argentina and Africa just nuts in a sack with it.

He's like, no, I'm going to trad bow. I'm like, okay, man. I'm always like, no, I'm going to trad bow. I'm like, okay, man. I'm always like, do you hate accuracy? No, he got it done. But holy cow. Like, no, but there's something about dialing it into like 47 yards, drawn back and center in your pan and just watching that shot break and watch that arrow go exactly where you want it to go. Just. And swat and hit those ribs.

Just the dopamine button all the time. It's the greatest. It is. Can you see the arrow? Does it slow down when you shoot at animals like it does for me? It looks like there's no way this arrow is ever going to get to, it's like everything in my brain, it's like that book, The the rise of Superman when you go in a flow state and like everything speeds up in your brain so actually the person would be the perception all all lengthens out they

say your brain actually starts firing three times faster the little pictures so that's why the it slows down this morning I watched that arrow just right hand a turn I I'm like that that deer is going to move. And there's only 27 yards, but I'm watching it. But when I'm shooting targets, I'm just like, man, whatever. I don't seem to think that. No, really? No, I always think it takes forever to get to the animal. No. I'm trying to think of when do things slow down for me? No, jujitsu. No jujitsu just with when you're really in a good state

It's just on almost like you're not thinking it's like all of a sudden you have an arm bar It's like so it is a flow state. Yeah, just complete flow state, but it's a flow state. That's established after you know thousands of hours of drilling. And that's the most important thing in Jiu-Jitsu, really, is drilling. Everybody loves to roll because it's so fun. Because it's like you're playing a video game. You're trying to kill each other. But the really important thing is drilling. And drilling with a certain amount of rigor, like a certain amount of speed and intensity, you know

You're not trying to hurt each other, but you're drilling with like intention so that your body is completely accustomed to these movements like your your body recognizes these movements and like You slap that elbow grab that armpit get that arm drag and you get the choke. It's almost like it happens before you even know it's happening because your brain is so just it's just wired in there. Your whole nervous system knows exactly what to do. It's like a cascading effect like an if then kind of deal. Now is that super slow drilling and then you just go to speed? No, no

I think the correct way to drill is you drill with a little resistance from your partner Like you don't want to put your partner to go limp on you sure but just a slight amount of like you have good partners a Slight amount of resistance, but then go through those motions with like a little bit of speed, but not like full blast. But the whole idea is just get those numbers in. Bam, bam, bam. Eddie Bravo is the best explanation for this. He says, you know when you tie your shoe, you don't think about tying your shoe.

You just go, and your shoe just ties. Because you tie your shoes every fucking day, right? You know exactly how to tie your shoes once you learn how to tie your shoes is Bing he goes. That's what a jujitsu move is. That's just like it just gets in there and you don't sometimes you don't know What's happening until it's happened like all of a sudden you have a triangle like whoa like shit. Yeah, that was helpful Yeah, it's just it's just you've done it so many times that when someone overextends or when someone gives up their neck, it just cinches up. It's just one of those things where your whole nervous system is just pre-programmed to these

very specific movements. Yeah, so you've taken all these little close skills which are replicatable and then put them in open format where the if-then scenario, like the flow chart just goes, boom, go, go, go, go, no go and the best guys are the guys that drill constantly and then also study and take notes like like Gordon Ryan that's his belt there Gordon trains 365 days a year with 365 days a year and so it's really take any days off. He doesn't and he trains all fucking day long So if you want to beat him good luck because you have to catch those numbers You have to bypass those numbers somehow. It's not like he's not talented. It's not he's not intelligent

It's not he's not physically strong. So he's got all those attributes already, right? And then you have this insane work ethic, along with dedication to technique. Yes, and you'd have years or decades to catch up. Exactly. And you just can't. And so there's too many guys in jujitsu that were just like big muscle heads that would just like muscle a move

and just give a lot of grunt. And you're never gonna beat a technique guy who's just as strong as you. Right. That uses less percentage of their power and everything to get the same job done. Also knows exactly where to be. Like, you might not know exactly where to be,

because you've gotten away with a lot of stuff because you're big. Because you're big and you're strong, and you've pushed through stuff. Like, big guys on their back. Like, there's a lot of big guys. They get on their back and they become turtles. They don't know what to do. Because they never get guys on their back like there's a lot of big guys they get on their back and they become turtles They don't know what to do because they never get put on their back

Because if they training if you're a guy who's 250 pounds and you're in a normal jujitsu gym What are the odds is of the 250 pound guy there? Most guys are one ninety two hundred. Maybe there's a 210, right? There's not a lot of really big six three two fifty. Yeah, it's rare It's rare so you usually can push these guys on their back and that's easier to do So you probably do that more often and you like smashing people see smash all these people But the problem is then you never develop a bottom game You never develop a guard you never develop ability to get out from under a big guy and do it technically You know get that under hook like you know work for a

Deep half like figure a way to get back up to your feet You you're just always used to like overpowering people and then when someone's bigger than you you're fucked way You're fucked. So were you always Strong like I was always strong I mean I didn't really start strong weights until I got into jujitsu. Okay. I mean, I always lifted a little bit of weights. I always worked out a little bit,

but I was more into kickboxing than anything. But when I started doing jujitsu, I was like, oh, being strong is like a big advantage. It's a huge advantage. Which is interesting because I was watching this video where these guys were talking about this, these wrestlers, and they were saying that wrestling has always acknowledged that power is really important

But for some reason jiu-jitsu they would like to pretend that it's not important that Technique is everything was it cultural from where it was like with the Gracie's and would like I think technique is More important right because if a guy doesn't have technique and he has strength and you have technique you can beat him But you can't discount really f'ing strong. Right. But you also can't discount a guy who's really f'ing strong with technique. Yeah. And they're not mutually exclusive.

No. Like a lot of guys who are really f'ing strong also know how to grapple. And that's a giant problem. Now is there, like in the throws world, we always talk about technique. Speed is everything. Explain to people what you're talking about when you say throws world. Like yeah, yes I'm one of those nerdy guys that picked the sport that's like the least paying sport of all time. That was a hammer thrower. So it's like a shot put steel ball 16 pound steel ball on a one meter you know three foot long wire. So what you see on the Olympics they spin around

really really fast and yell and scream and always make like the highlight reels of guys that scream. Where did that come from? Was that a weapon at one point? Yeah, yeah. So they actually, in Scotland, they would use it was a hammer they would literally have like for agrarian society and they have a cylindrical head on it so they could use it every side. And so that would that became a way to train for battle because they weren't allowed, the

Scottish weren't allowed to have weapons. Yeah, so they would start throwing stones. After the Braveheart days? Yeah, or during those days. So they weren't supposed to have weapons, so they're like, F this, we're just gonna take all the stuff we have and stay strong, stay ready. And then actually their stone was called the Clacknark,

which meant stone of strength. What a great name. It's a wonderful name. That's a Viking name, I've ever heard one. Clacknart. Tell me how badass this is. So like each family, like the Rogan family, like you're the patriarch, right?

You have your Clacknart up on the mantle or whatever it is. So at your family outings, whatever outings those may be, all the men, very much like in Braveheart, they would go and throw it. The guy who throws the Clacknart, the family stone, the fur, this is kind of like the dude. Like he's like, all right, all right, you now my son has surpassed me. He's shown he's a man now. Right. Here's the wildest part. This gives me chills. So they would, if they went off to battle, they would take their Clacknart, their stone,

and on the way out of town, they would all put it in a pile. And they're called, I think it's called a cairn or a carn. So they would put it in a pile and they're called out this is called a can or a carn So they would put in a pile So if they did not return to battle they had placed their own monument to their town of their sacrifice Whoa, so could you imagine so when you go past these old towns and there's a pile you're like a lot of guys didn't come home And those piles are still there when I was in Scotland. They did say a lot of them are still there I was competing when I did Highland games Scottish Highland games in this wild so like you think about you're like man you're literally kind of placing your family's stone of like I'm going off and if I don't show up like dude that was in

Scotland last year and there was a part of Scotland again I wish I could remember I'm not exactly up Up in the highlands like all the rural stuff in Aberdeen. I went with some friends and they took us to this place that my friend owns property out there. Naturally. And when we went there, there was a stone circle that is way older than Stonehenge. No way. Yeah. And it's just sitting there. So a lot of stuff in Scotland is just yeah, and it's just sitting there So a lot of stuff in Scotland's just sitting there It's just sitting there in front of this dude's house, and you can go and stand on it I was like this is crazy, and it's got like a little monument on it No one's stopping you from like walking around on it, and they're not big stones or like small stones

But this stone sorry they're like I'm like who made this I was asking the guy that we were with it's pretty knowledgeable It's like no one knows wow it's just Left laying around yeah, so like Scotland. There you go No, that's not it. But it's kind of like that. It wasn't nearly as high They were smaller standing stones and it was and there's a bunch of them like laying around like there's a guide stone the ground Like how old is that like that's probably thousands of years old But nobody knows like they don't know who made the stone This is not put it there. It's just a guide stone like so if you were on a trail

Through the Scottish Highlands you would find these rocks. We're on the right place love And this is fucking stone that's been there for three thousand years or whatever like they don't even know how old it is And it's just sitting there so cool though But it's a crazy thing was like across the street from this guy's house So I got like this normal house and there's a little street then across the street from his house is a stone circle That's like who knows how fucking old Nope, it's not that either Yeah, they have like the other stones of strength

They're the inverse and that are older than Stonehenge in Scotland because all three of these I pulled up Hi, maybe you're in actually England oh it's totally sober look at that image right there how weird is that one cool the ring of Brodger I say that right there's some sweet names over there too good the ring of brodger like what did they do in that ring how many goats died in that ring fights People got sacrificed in that ring. I mean Thousands and thousands of years ago. So cool They're the stones over there like they a lot of people go over a lot of strongmen They'll do like the stone tour

So they'll lift all the they'll lift the Denny stones and the inverse stone and the inverse stone I lift that that was in a old lady's garden, Right? There's like a stone. It's like a 200. Yeah, it's like a 265 pound like big egg stone. And like just laying around. It's literally in this lady's garden. It's called the Inverstone. And people go there. People go there. And ma'am, can I go lift your rock? 100% what happens. Really? Yeah, we were over there competing. The US team, we were over there and like all the Highland game guys were like, let's go check this out. We all lifted it. And she invited us in for tea. She's like, well, we'll in over there and like all the Highland game guys were like let's go check this out We all lifted it and she invited us in for tea She's like well

We'll come and come and sign the book and you look in the book is like Bill Kazmaier was here so and so we see we're like oh my gosh like the greatest strongman in the world had come as a Pilgrimage to lift this stone and then they signed the book and you're like so this is awesome And then across the street. Yeah, yeah, and then how do you say that word? We call the inverse stone in a very called in a called stone Yeah, it seems like it's almost been like honed. Well that it doesn't it seem like it was polished to the That one actually has numbers. Yeah, that's the one I lifted. It says six 265 pounds and what it says Yeah, and it's we lifted it and then, so what happened after back in the 80s when Kazmeier was coming on the scene, Bill Kazmeier,

obviously, world's strongest man, kind of started the stage. He allegedly picked it up. It was the man thing. If you could pick it up, he picked it up and carried it across the street and bellied it up to the bar and laid it onto the bar and had a beer. I'd be mad if that was my bar. Right?

Oh, he chipped the crap out of the bar. It did. I was like, that's where Bill chipped it. This is bad ass. It's not a historian. I like that stuff. So we traveled all around, lift all the stones. It was cool.

But anyway, a thrower is a person who decides to do a sport that doesn't pay a lot. No, I'm just kidding. But it's shot put, discus, hammer, javelin. It was all those original Olympic sports that were all weapons. And so I. That'd be a good sport if you were a trans woman.

Oh, you would. You would dominate. Oh, if I. Regular chicks wouldn't have a chance. Oh, I'm at 48 years old, I could still throw the living crap out of a woman's implement if I wanted to. It'd be a great move.

But yeah, it was a part of the track and field. I got into it in college, kind of a weird Forrest Gump like story and it changed the course of my life Have you done lift run shoot yet with cam? I haven't done it with cam No, I've we played around and done some stuff like that at my farm You know during you should do his his podcast the lift run shoot show be great It makes you carry a rock up the fucking mountain. I went up Pisgah with him I haven't carried the rock and but I'm sure you've done so it's like the cam rock. That's I haven't done Pisgah I'm not doing that fuck out of here. That was rough. Yeah, that was rough. I started running

I'm not a big cardio guy. I just didn't go in anywhere where that guy's running dude. He is He is as advertised as a badass. Oh, he's a complete Legit he's one of my. Oh, he's a complete psychopath. Legit. He's one of my best friends. He's a complete psychopath. We did, we all got running, and then he kind of left me. And then, like, he got to the top and then did his dance. And then he came back down and like, hey, man.

And it was very remarkable. Like, he goes, all right, why do I do this all the time? He goes, if we crested this corner right now and you saw the biggest pull of your life at 70 yards, could you make the shot? I'm like, bro, I'm looking out of my ear hole right now. I'm screwed. He goes, that's why I do this every day.

I'm like, I'm tracking. He's also addicted to exercise. He's addicted to cardio. Yeah, me not so much. I think there's a state of mind that a lot of those distance runners get in that they get really really addicted to and it there's a Runner's high like that run you experience that. Oh, yeah for sure. Yeah long cardio sessions. Yeah, I never have I've tried it Then I just either get bored or mad at cardio then I go and lift weights and throw

You've got like that power strength throwing background, you know It's like it doesn't really benefit you to be really into cardio. It actually probably would diminish some of your strength. Like heavily, yeah, Greg Glassman back in 07 when I was throwing Highland games, he was like, you gotta do cardio, or do a crossfit. And I was like, why? And he was like, no, it'll help your throwing.

Oh, the crossfit guy? Yeah, yeah. That doesn't look like it works out at all? That's the one. Yeah, I'm not taking advice from you, buddy. Well, I was sitting there. I was like, I'm 265 pounds. He's like, you should do CrossFit.

And I'm like, I'm trying to be the best thrower in the world. And that has nothing to do with any of this other stuff. Yeah, I have a golden rule when it comes to taking advice. I don't take advice from anybody who looks like shit. That's sound. That's sound advice. If you look like shit, I'm not taking advice. I know you had like some physical problems, right? Something's wrong with them or something. But the bottom line is unknown and unknowable was not my sport.

My sport was extremely known and extremely knowable. I know the Olympic trials are on this day and I need to show up. They're really far. And also if you want to be a power lifter or if you want to do some just completely power focused exercise, it does not benefit you to spend time getting in like extreme cardiovascular shape. Like you do need to do what kind of running the cam does. Yeah, and it's not even not beneficial. It's detrimental. I mean, we would joke like why run when you could walk, why walk when you could sit down, and why sit down when you could lay down. Like as throwers, that's what we would do. And we would lay down every chance and eat every chance you get.

And they were like, I'm going to stand up and do something really hard and fast for three seconds. I'm going to go rest for a while. Call me when I'm back up. Yeah. I mean, there's different things have different requirements, but if you want to be a mountain elk hunter, what he does is very beneficial. I just can't run. I have a bad left knee that's really bothered me the last few years. And I just twisted it again this September. Yeah, you're saying your sciatica was a little tweaked. That was another problem. That was from overuse of, no, it's just being stupid. That's overuse

of archery. So I was, yeah, because you know, I have two bows. I have a bow that's 84 pounds and a bow that's 90 pounds. So I'm pulling these 90 pound bows 100 times a day. Are you sure many times a day? Oh, yeah. Good for you. Oh, yeah. Oh, you have to. For that moment when like a fucking giant bull walks in between the trees and you have a 70 yard shot you have to 100% be confident that you can make that shot and so I'm shooting at 84 yards over and over and over and over and oh I'm obsessive but the problem was I developed like tendonitis in my lower back and so it's overuse from the stabilizing, from like holding yourself.

So it's the pulling, well I'm sure that's it, but it's also holding it right there in that position and it's all in my right lower back. But it's much, much better now. I started doing this thing called New Fit. Talked about it the other day with Derek, where they're doing electrical muscular stimulation while you go through exercises.

It's really helpful. Really? Yeah, it's been three weeks. It's like a microcurrent or more like a... It juices you up, like it's... All the muscles contract. Like stem kind of thing. Yeah, but it's very strong.

So this is, and you can crank up the intensity. So this is some of the shit, like if you saw Mike Tyson when he was training for Jake Paul, he was doing that like What I think it's really good for I don't know if it's good for a lot of these things But it's really good for rehabilitation sure for rehabilitation I think there's tremendous benefits to it and I bet there's some benefits for athletes for working on specific things and doing it while You're getting juiced up but man for for for me, it's been, it's helped

me quite a bit. Was pretty quickly to like three weeks later, that specific spot or they they firing something else. No, that's right. Firing a lot of different parts of your back. So it's like both sides of my back, my obliques, my core, and just going through a bunch of rotational exercises and a bunch of different things, strength in lower back, and just, you know, you're getting a lot of blood flow through there and stretching it, and it just was, I was getting pain, and I was like, shut up, pussy,

and I would just ignore the pain, and then it just got bad. It got bad to the point where my hips were getting kind of numb, and when I was hiking up hills, like in October, when I was hunting in October, it was bothering me a lot. I was like, okay, I've got to really do something about this. Yeah, because you could be, you know, talk yourself in or out of something really hard,

but if it's something that's just going to be chronic, you're like, well, I'm screwing myself. I was turning it chronic, but it's a lot better now. Good. It's a lot better now, and it's only been three weeks. Oh, that's great. Yeah, my knee is still fucked, but not totally. It's mostly soft tissue.

It just, I twisted it, I twisted it crossing slippery ground in September, and I've had a lot of problems with it. I've had two knee surgeries, I had my ACL reconstructed, I had a meniscus piece removed, and then when I was skiing, the last time I skied last and final time I ever ski this lady didn't know how to ski and she like slid into the trail and I had to try to not wipe out not not hit her or rather and I wiped out and I got what's called the insufficiency fracture hmm so it's a

for the bone fractured at the top of my shin, my fibula, or my tibia rather, right where the cartilage is. And so yeah, that created quite a bit of pain. And then I twisted it again one time when I was about to get on stage. It's hard when you play. At Stubbs, I was going to Stubbs, which is like this outside concert venue. And I was looking at my phone to turn my voice recorder on so I could record. And as I was doing that, I twisted my knee

on this concrete step, just yanked the shit out of it to the point where my leg was shaking while I was on stage because I was in pain. I looked like I was super nervous, but it was really just pain. I would think at this point you get super nervous on stage when you're talking. No, once I'm up there I'm not nervous at all.

Do you still get nervous beforehand? I get excited. I think anything you do that you really care about, you should get excited. I used to call it my national leg when I would go to national championships in the hammer. All year, I'd be fine. And when I would wind the hammer on the first one,

when I took the hammer back, my right leg would bounce. And I'm like, ah, there it is. It was one throw a year. And I was like, here we go, we're back. Oh wow. They just had adrenaline. Oh, it was adrenaline. Because where you're in, you're physically, you're peeking for it. You're like, this is the day I have to compete. You don't remember how it was. But you're like, this is the day. And like everything else is kind of work. And then you're like,

I'm cashing out today. I get to cash out today. Like I get to like, and then it's like, oh, that's the best. Yeah, best. Doing exciting things is really fun. And it's so important for you to grow as a human. Do something that scares the shit out of you. Do something that excites you do something that's difficult. Yes. Yeah, yeah, it's almost I don't know. Sometimes it's good when it's a more dynamic where you don't know when it's gonna happen. But but looking forward to something is pretty badass too, because then you could

start focusing training and focusing efforts and then going through like almost stages of guilt, but stages of excitement. You're like, okay, am I excited? No, I got this one. I'm just going to go back and forth. Let's go. It's live. Yeah, that's what it is with everything.

I think it's these processes of like recognizing there's a goal, working towards it, solving problems, working hard it, solving problems, working hard, pushing yourself through discipline. That's how you grow. And it's like that, that's how everything grows, right? This is how your mind grows, this is how your body grows, this is how your life grows. Like you have to do stuff that's hard,

and then you get better at doing stuff that's hard, and that's how you get better. Yeah, and then you level up and you're in this next wilderness, you're like, all right, well what's the next thing? But when that alarm clock goes off, it's so hard to know that. You know all these things, but you're the force of the bed, the gravity of that warm bed.

It's cold in the room. Oh. Especially, like, shout out to people who live in, like, Alaska. Oh. And they have to get out of bed. Dude. Fuck. I'm sure you've done some hunts where, you know, you're in a tent or something like that. Oh, they have to get out of bed. Dude. Fuck. I'm sure you've done some, some hunts where, you know, you're in a tent or

something. Oh yeah. And then you're like, I know I really want to get out there, but home, like this, you're like, my boots are frozen and like, maybe that bull will just kind of walk more this way. First time I ever did was it was Steve Rinell in Montana. Oh yeah. I remember seeing that. It was nine degrees in the morning. We were just like, Jesus Christ, this is so cold. That was the hunt that started it all for you, wasn't it? Yes. Little forky kind of buck from what I remember. That's him right there. No, okay. That's the buck. Oh, no way. Yeah, that's the first buck I ever shot. That's

awesome. That's him. Yeah. The buck that launched a thousand hunting careers. Well, it was a life-changing experience. But you know, one of those things where you realize like, wow, where would we be without houses? And it was only, by the way, it was only I think October, it was October of 2012, I'm pretty sure it was October, and it was already nine degrees in Montana. Like what was it like in February for these poor fucks? What's January like in the morning? And you're in a tent?

Fuck. Well, it's like, Josh Smith up there at MKC has talked about it. He's like, yeah, everyone loves Yellowstone. Y'all about to find out. In February, he's like, everyone wants to move here. He goes, stick around, it's gonna get live here in about January or February.

How many people got super confused by that show and bought a house there? And they're like, what is this? Why is the ground solid? Exactly. Oh, I love it. He's like, this is fantastic. Especially someone who's never lived in the real North before.

You don't know what happens when your ground freezes. The ground is a piece of rock. So if you fall on it, it's a rock. Everything freezes, yeah. That's a whole different animal. It's a different way to live, that's for sure. But, you know, I was talking with this gentleman yesterday, Rick Strassman, who's a scientist.

But we were talking about the time where he was living in Alaska, and he was living in Alaska, and was living in Alaska and he lived in Southern California and then he moved to Fairbanks where it's 39 degrees below zero Oh, and he's like what the hell and then it's dark for like 10 hours Everyone's depressed. Yeah vitamin. We're not dark for 10 hours rather. It's it's only light for four hours Right light for four hours. So it's dark for 20 hours. Yeah. Fuck that.

Have you, you've been to Alaska a lot, I would think. You like it? Sometimes. I like the people up there. They're hardy. They're different kind of human. Yeah. Yeah. I was at a- Battle tested. They are and everyone wears extra tough boots.

Yeah. You don't want to get caught outside with some fucking bullshit flip flops. Yeah, and if your boots are too clean, you'll get made fun of openly. They're like, hey, nice new extra toughs. Cool. You know, you're friends with Tyler from Archie country. Tyler's always walking around everywhere with flip flops.

Bro, that guy hunted yesterday in shorts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's a different kind. He killed a deer in shorts. If you're in Alaska and you have flip flops, you're gonna die. You're gonna, your feet are gonna freeze off.

You're gonna have no feet. Yeah. Like you need boots. I was out at a bar out there, we were in Homer, Alaska, and we were playing pool and jacking around. Where's Homer? Homer is, they have this big spit that comes out. I don't know, it's in Alaska somewhere.

How far up there? Far? It's all far. Alaska's big, man, I don't know. When you see how big it is and you lay it over the country. Jamie, where's Homer? How much we stole from the Russians. There it is. Of course you'd have that.

There it is. Yeah, there it is. So we were, yeah. God damn Alaska's big. It's so cool, isn't it? So we were on that big spit. So we were on that bay, which is crazy. And yeah, so we were down there.

And we were at a bar goofing around. And I remember I walked into the bathroom, and I was like, I just kind of noticed. I was like, wow, there's no mirror on the wall, whatever. It's like, oh, that's kind of interesting. And one of the guys was like, yeah, there's no mirrors in the bathrooms in Alaska, because it doesn't matter what you look like.

You better just be capable or you're going to die. And I was like, what a cool place. Like, he's just like, no one matter what you look like. You better just be capable or you're going to die. And I was like, what a cool place. Like, he's just like, no one cares what you look like here. Everyone's hair is all froed out, and they're dirty and oily and greasy. He's like, yeah, that's the flex here, if you can make it. That's interesting. Yeah, I was like, oh, what a cool.

But yeah, we were sitting in that bay, looking across the bay with a pair of spotters, and looking at tracks and seeing animals across the bay like 19 miles away. It was crazy on that white snow. It was wild. I never thought you could see that far of a spotting scope. No kid, how much magnification is running?

90. Oh wow. Yeah, some monsters, but still it was like, yeah, big Swarow that you could see, you know, with all the Elon stuff up in space with probably. Imagine those poor fools that had to hunt with traditional bows, no binos, no spotting scopes, no wind checker, no range finder, no apps, I have apps, I have everything. I have a range finder that syncs up with my app. Of course you do. I haven't

even set it up yet. Do you's not on all this stuff like I do I do see that here's the problem. I have a loophole rangefinder. I really like loopholes full draw Yep, the reason why I like it is because it'll show you the arc of your ass So nerdy is folks so my arrows go 294 feet per second. Okay. How heavy? These are 475, 475 grains, and you calculate all this stuff. You put all this stuff into the range finder, and the range finder knows exactly how heavy your arrow is, exactly what the peak of it's going to be as it comes off your bow, how

fast it's going, and it gives you a line. So that line, so if I'm shooting through a gap in some trees, and I actually did this a couple years ago. I actually did it when I had a Garmin range finder, right? So the Garmin is a range finding sight, which is pretty badass. I've always wanted to play with one of those.

It kept fucking up though. And apparently they're getting better, but they fucked me a couple times. And it would fuck me on my range. Like I would be at full draw on my range, and I know it's 84 yards, and I press the button and I'm not getting a range. And I press the button again, so you would press the button and it would give you a red dot.

When it works, it's the greatest thing of all time. Because it's like a pistol. Like you see that red dot, that clear lens, and then that dot, it's the best sight picture of all time, of all time. Everything else, like the post or the side post, they get a little in the way, just a touch. Not bad, I can deal with it, you know? But that red dot was fucking amazing.

So I shot this, I'll show you the bull afterwards, I shot this big bull, and he was coming through this gap gap and I wasn't sure if the arrow was gonna make it there So I pulled out the second rangefinder and I clicked on that and I got the height of the arrow I knew I could make it and then I used the rangefinding site So a man that knows his tools the opposite of these guys with their traditional bow point Yeah, like I'm you Like, I'm using technology. Sure. So the new loophole though, the problem is it doesn't have this height thing in it.

But the new one, when you range an animal with onX Hunt, so you range the animal and it puts a pin down where that animal is. Yep, I actually had the, I was one of the test subjects for that. They sent me, yeah, probably two years ago I was hunting at Deseret with it giving them feedback We found a mule deer the day before and I ranged him marked him and we went back the next day I shot him at 14 yards. That's crazy. It was awesome. That's crazy because you can go back to the actual spot where he was Yeah, yeah, it threw it off to my phone and is like the I can't remember what it's called It's the range but it has like the LF something 500 500

Yeah, something like that you find it Jamie. Yeah, it's dope. It's super cool. I love loophole shit I just wish their glass was as good as Swarovski's Yeah, everybody I say that about every like vortex makes awesome binos for the money. You can't beat them Especially their HDX series those the really high-end ones are fucking great until you put it through the Pickup those and help yours, and you're like yeah, you're like It's so that's almost like I wish I never looked through. Oh, that's yeah. That's the rx 5000 that thing is bad It's pretty dope so it does it syncs up with your onyx hunt so you could show show you how it works there So what's really good about that is not just you know,

you know where you hit the, you know where the animal is. So if you have to go around somewhere and get back to him, you'll be able to get back to, you know, if you're trying to get away from the wind. Well, the spot in stock is so nice because we were hunting mule deer in Arizona and you could, same thing, you're circling around and your depth of perception, you know, I've been 200 yards off.

I feel like this is more designed though for the rifle hunter and this is like, they're even showing guys like going 2000 yards with this thing. I feel like for the bow hunter, they just need to add, maybe they'll just make it too big but add that Height of arrow technology. I don't know why they wouldn't put that in there Yeah, cuz I can't use it. I need that that that is so you know hunting. Yeah for me It's like gaps or everything I want to be able to be sneaky and just make my way around a tree Just give me this give me this much and if it's and if I know that the arrows never gonna hit the top or the bottom

I'm golden and I have full confidence because otherwise it's a mind fuck cuz I'm sure you've had arrows hit branches Oh, yeah, it sucks so hard Yeah, you're learning in Cleveland somewhere a few years back in Utah That one I had pulled up had a was made for made for ballistics. Four I think this morning. These are all for archery. Yes, the football, well the TBRs to the right. Yep. That is, that one is a similar one.

It was like, I don't think that's as sophisticated though and I don't think that has the app. I think the RX one is the only one with the app but I have that one, the Full Draw 5. I don't go anywhere without that. It's the shit. That is to me, I have, I've had a bunch of different ones that were really cool like Aaron Schneider turned me on to this Nikon a while back that was image stabilizing that was a game changer that was that's a big deal because you could really like the range finder on the animal yeah image stabilizing range

finder yeah I use image stabilizing binoculars. Have you used those SIG ones? I've used cams. I tried that. Pretty dope. I'm running 16s. Yeah. Oh right. Because you could just hold them. Cause you just hold them. I have, I've run Swaros since 1999 and I started leaving mine at home because I liked the SIG so much and they did the new HD so it has a better glass. Now it's still not as clear as Suarez. I mean, that's just, but because you could stabilize,

I could run 16s and I'll run 16s in the woods because I could just peer through everything and like boom. I ran 12s in the woods this year, which is a little too much. When you're not stabilized. I usually run 10s, but like sometimes. 10 by 42s.

Yeah. Sometimes when you're looking at something that's really far off, but I like sometimes my 42s. Yeah Sometimes when you're looking at something that's really far off you're like, I don't know if that's a good bulls that worth chasing Yeah, the 12 make all the difference in the world. But what I do is I grab my baseball hat I learned this trick from Remy Warren. Oh, that's a good idea. So we do as you Remy's a killing sign. I use a killing song of a month You clip that sucker down tight. So your hats on tight and then I'll do this Hold my binos right here or take my bow and get here and then stack it on top of the bow Press the bow up against your chest so it's not gonna go anywhere and then stack it on top of the camera the bow A lot of guys do that sure but Remy taught me this one and I think this is smart this one's super legit

Just hold on to your hat. Super fast, too. And you can get your, you could tuck your elbows in like this. And you can really keep it stable. If I couldn't do that, I wouldn't use 12s. But I don't think I'm going to use 12s anymore anyway. Really? No, I think 10s are the way to go.

Maybe even 8s, because you get a bigger field of view. Yeah. Because a lot of times I'm seeing stuff through trees. And I'm sneaking around. Like I like to, you know, I'm a big spot and stalk guy That's I've tried a bunch of different hunting. I've trying ground blind. I tree stand hunted with Dudley Yeah that you can go fuck yourself with that sitting in those trees all day. Fuck that Way to ADHD for that. You'll find out if you're crazy. Oh, I'm crazy.

Yeah. I'm definitely crazy. Yeah. I don't like it. I don't like being up there in a tree like that. Here's my question, though. I was just in Missouri. I went to our farm.

I was there six or seven days. And we sit 30 minutes before to 30 minutes all day. Yeah, you have to. But I would think with as many people as popping on you and all this, it was nice. Because for me, I'm like, I'm quiet. I could just be... I enjoy that part where I could just unravel and think through problems. But yes, you go crazy and then you burn out your phone because you're like, and I'm going

to search for the dumbest things possible. I'm going to buy socks. 100%. Also you don't realize, like if it's 30 degrees out, like 30 degrees is no big deal. You can walk around 30 degrees, but as soon as you're sitting there in 30 degrees, you get so fucking cold.

So you're not moving, so you're not generating any heat at all. So then you're in this stupid body warmer suit that zips up. Oh yeah, you're like in a big snuggie. It's a big old oven, and my hands are in here. But the problem with that is if a deer comes in you gotta zip, you gotta make all that noise, you gotta get out of it, all this movement, grab your bow. So you really shouldn't do that so you try to go

with a puffy but you're still freezing so then I started doing Bruce Lee exercises while I'm up there and fucking... One thing I realized I I, um, I was so cold. I had a hard time pulling my bow back once. Yeah. I was going to shoot this deer and I was up in that stand for like four or five hours. Yeah. And I went and I go to pull that bow back.

I'm like, Jesus. Well, cause you shoot a 90 pound bow. Yeah. But I was so cold. Part of it. Yeah. Oh no. It's yeah.

I'll sit there and just do like, you know, I had a 95 pound bow for a while. I remember when he made that one. Uh, I couldn't draw it on my knees I had to stand up You know how I found that out because you could because I was on my knees right behind a bush and an elk walk behind my fuck Goddamnit And I was in a weird spot to work only lean on my left leg too like so it was you know It was like I was on my knee, but I was even on my left knee

It was like a fucked up right you don't have a good Yeah, I was like my right knee was up like on my left knee. It was like a fucked up hill. You don't have a good. Yeah, I was like, my right knee was up like this, my left knee was down there, like, this is bullshit. That bow was crazy. I remember when you texted me. It would shoot 540 grain arrows, 305 feet per second. Bro. When it hits, it was just like, wha!

I remember we were shooting at the Deseret and we were all shooting at 100 yards, just me and a couple of these guys. And they shot first and then I shot and the guys go, what the fuck are you shooting? Because the bow was so flat. The K.E. was still rolling at that point. He goes, that bow is so flat, what is that?

And I'm like, this is a 95 pound bow. It was the dumbest thing ever. I remember you sitting with me, he was like, this thing's preposterous. It was so dumb. It also had a really short brace height, so it was super sketchy. So if you moved your hand, it was so unforgiving that if you moved your hand even slightly,

you were off target by six inches. Oh, jeez, yeah. It was really twitchy. Driving a little Tokyo drifter around all the time. It was so dangerous. Not dangerous, really, but like, you just wouldn't, I wouldn't trust it You know, I killed a couple animals with it. I stopped trusting

Yeah, you get to put it on the wall and go well, then I went to an 80 pound bow from Hoyt I was like, oh my god. This is so much better. It was like 15 20 percent more accurate. I was yeah thing is just too. Yeah, I just got that rx9 like last week Oh, that's great. Yeah, it's I'm shooting 76, but I'm 30 and a half inches. I got pretty good stroke on it. Oh, yeah, man Yeah, I need some extra horsepower at 28 and a quarter. Yeah, like I'm shooting 520 grain at about 282. Mmm, just moving out. That's great. That's that like Guys like Randy Ulmer. He likes That's great. That's the like guys like Randy Olmer. He likes

265 to 280. Yeah, he thinks it like that's that's the range where the arrows are like the most accurate There's this thing about having too much fucking whip. Yep, you know There's too much and it's almost like too much flex on the arrow A lot of flex on the arrows and it's probably more subject to wind drift when they're flexing like that. It's like when you used to throw the javelin, there was different rated javelins and you could be too strong for the jab. And so if you don't pull through the tip perfectly, just like arrow spine. Right.

So you have a 50 meter jab, 60 meter jab, 70 meter. And when you start getting strong, you could bend a 50 meter jab like a banana. It's kind of fun actually. It comes out like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, like Lamar from, like, what was it? Revenge of the Nerds. Oh, okay. But yeah. That makes sense that it would be just like arrows. Yep.

Because for folks at home, say if you have a 50 pound bow, you could probably get away with a 320 green arrow, 330, 350. So the higher the the number the more flexible the spine of the arrow is and the lighter the arrow will be right so I shoot a 250 so it's like I like a nice stiff energy yeah yeah especially how much weight you have in the front creates that more of a flex exactly but it's to me it's all about like I've heard arguments before like people say Oh, you don't need that much bow power You don't shut your fucking dirty little skinny mouth

Because the only reason why you would say that is because you can't pull that back. That's the only reason and if you think that 70 pounds to you is the same as 70 pounds to me and you don't work out. That's just dumb. That doesn't make it Yeah, it's like saying well, you don't need a 500 pound deadlift to look. Yeah, but it's nice Yeah, but if you can't squat 500 pounds and you have to squat 500 pounds, you can't do it I can so shut the fuck up. It's nice to have in your pocket. Shut your dirty little skinny hole Yeah, cuz all that is is you're you're just saying there's virtue in being physically weak. And that's stupid. That's stupid.

Do you need to be able to pull back 80 pounds to kill an elk? No. If you can't pull back 80 pounds and you're really accurate with 60 pounds and you have a cut on contact broadhead, you can be successful. But I'm going through that whole animal. I'm getting a pass through on a giant animal and you're probably not gonna.

And I think that's, it's more important to be able to have the most ultimately lethal setup possible. I learned this from Cam, he's my mentor. He's the guy who taught me how to bow hunt. And his whole thing is, he shoots a 90 pound bow as well. It's like the most amount of power and you wanna make a big fucking hole. And you want that animal to die like that.

Well with anything, why would more horsepower, if you could handle it, not be advantageous? It's stupid. That's why race cars have limits on the amount of power you could have. It's more advantage. If Formula One drivers figured out a way to get a 4,000 horsepower engine and have it handled,

they would win. They would win they would win or if you could punch 30 harder than everyone else in UFC yeah do it yeah literally if Francis Hingano became the heavyweight champion of the world it's harder than anybody yeah it's interesting uh my buddy Lauren Landau strength coach and I was talking to him last week and he did actually a study on ground force power into punching. And they did, so they tested it on like a force plate, jump and force plate. And then they did a proteus machine. Have you ever seen one of those?

They kind of like, it's like you kind of throw it and push it kind of the same thing. So they tested the power of the punch, then tested ground force, and then they did squats, but they also did like a trap bar deadlift. And then the training was a jammer arm punch, so they had the sequence of force. And he had a double digit increase of strength through the power through the ground, and it equated to a 12% increase in punching power.

So almost percent for percent. So you look at that and say, well, if you're stronger, you squat more or deadlift more now, as long as it doesn't take away from the sport. But that has a very, very real effect on punching power. Yeah, it does. The way it takes away from the sport is, if you're sore from lifting weights,

you're not gonna train as effectively. That's just a fact. Or it takes too much time away from your technique or yes, injury or that's where steroids come in. And that's why I can train 365 days a year. He's open about it. Like he's open about his use. Yeah, because they don't test for steroids in jujitsu. So, you know, he's a wizard. So he's like a pragmatist.

I figure that they would know you have UFC though, they do, right? UFC they do. Yeah. But have you ever seen Gordon? You ever see him with his shirt off? Oh yeah. That motherfucker. He ain't passing no tests.

Give me one of them photos of Gordon looking like a Greek god. He's squared away. Yeah. I mean, when you have that and then you have a genius level IQ, and then on top of that, you have the fuck out of it. It's pretty typical. This big shit-eating grit on his face.

And then you have a guy who trains 365 days a year who also works on technique constantly. That's how you have the greatest of all time. Yep, yep, yep. But by the way, all those guys like Galval, the guy who's on the bottom there, he's on the juice too. It's a level playing field. They're all juiced up.

Right, right. It was kind of like the lifters and the throwers of the yeah Everyone had a 600 pound bench because that's what you do and guess what you got a test now Well, this is a great argument to this idea of power being necessary like with jujitsu and grappling You know like if you have technique like Gordon's and you're built like him Yeah, giant advantage giant advantage to be super strong always And you're built like him. Yeah, giant advantage giant advantage to be super strong always In all of life, there's fucking zero advantage of being weak No, there's never a time you're like, you know what if I could just get my squat down a bit

I would really pan out for me one thing though. That is really important This this actually really pays off if you can train with a guy who's small Like if you can learn jujitsu with a guy who's small, you'll learn the best jujitsu. Why is that? Because they have to use technique. They have to use leverage. Like you're a big fucking strong guy. If you learn jujitsu, you could use that strength. You could squish people's necks and throw them on the ground and grab their arms and stuff like that. But a small guy can never do that. So if you can learn jiu-jitsu from like a Barrett Yoshida or a Hoyler Gracie or Eddie Bravo,

or there's a few of those, Gabe, Gabe Tuttle, who teaches over here at 10th Planet, small guy jiu-jitsu is the best jiu-jitsu because it has to be razor sharp because they don't have the physical strength like overpower an arm and get you into a certain position just from raw horsepower. They have to like sneak it in there with leverage and they have to do everything perfectly. So those guys, if you learn jiu-jitsu from them, you're going to learn like the most

technical jiu-jitsu. Yeah. Is that like obviously a reason why you should learn younger when you're small and weak? Well, it's always good to learn young because first of all, it becomes a natural part of your movement. It's like as your body matures, your body's, I think it's more important with striking than anything. It's very rare that someone learns how to strike

while they're already physically mature and can ever reach the level of like a Floyd Mayweather. Because that guy, as he was a child, his body, his reflexes developed striking. And he's just got this massive encyclopedia of information that's available to him. He knows exactly when he sees you do this, he knows that straight left is coming and he knows all he has to do is do this And he knows the counter is gonna be there when you go to look for the right hand afterwards. Yeah, he's just got it all programmed It's what it's all just like right in there for you to build that up after you're 28 like You're gonna be you're never gonna be at his level

But not you you kind of have to unless you're some physical freak, which they do exist. Yeah, but what I've understood too is the potential for building speed, which is let's be honest, speed is a big part of power, which is punching, right? It's the sequence of force. How do you create force to the ground, explosion of force, not implosion into your arm or your foot or whatever it is. That ends at 22. That the potential to develop the potential for speed ends at 22. Yeah, that's why all the weightlifters

and everyone gymnast, everyone has to start young. So when you're firing patterns. 27 and you try, you'll never. You won't reach the potential you could have genetically because you just don't have this sequence, the speed, right? It's the, I know how to do this at speed because whack whack whack through here and I could crack that whip yeah your body just has it's done too many other things at lower speed and so you know where I really noticed that with kicking you know when

I teach people kicking there's certain things that they have a really hard time doing fluidly mm-hmm you know one of the force the big ones is like anything that requires spinning. Like if you look at a good MMA fighter that doesn't have like a taekwondo background and you teach them how to throw a wheel kick they'll never be able to throw a wheel kick like like a real taekwondo black belt. There's certain guys that, like, as they're young, they're developing these spinning techniques, and they've just got it wired in. Their whole nervous system just,

and it's so smooth and fluid that the power is so extraordinary. And, you know, I've taught people that were, like, elite MMA fighters, and I try to teach them how to throw things like a spinning back kick, for instance. It takes a long time for them, even like John Jones' one that he landed

like on steepay. That guy's a freak. Like that guy is like what we're talking about. Like there's some guys, you can teach them things when they're in their 30s, and they can develop it like someone has been doing it their whole life. But that's a's a rare exception another rare exception. I was thinking it was Alex Pereira Alex didn't really start striking until he was like 21 years old. He's didn't start training but my question would be what other things that he do that that

that Exaggerate like like that developed that speed and power sequence. Cause like- You know what he did? He worked in a tire shop. Really? Yeah. So he's like hoisting tires and hammering tires down and setting wheels. Right. So you're learning, you're learning to do the most because if you're doing it for a job,

you're going to do the most efficient method possible to move an object, right? Well, you're also gonna- To lift that tire up there to- Develop rotational strength. You're throwing hammers down. I mean, he's doing this eight hours a day, all day long.

So like, think about how many tires he's hammered. Yeah. Right? Yeah, that's not a training thing for him. Francis Ngano, when he was a child, worked in a sand mine. So he's fucking digging sand all the time. He's just, ah! His body's just, as he's developing.

How terrifying. I've also, massive physical specimen, right? So he's like 6'6 or 6'5, whatever he is. 265 natural, built like a fucking Greek god, like a statue. And his whole body's developing as he's a young man, diggin' sand. And the anger you have, like I can't believe

I have to dig this fucking sand. Can't you imagine? It's like the Wheel of Pain, of pain like yeah, it is like Conan Yeah, he really is like a guy from a movie in a sand and then becomes a heavyweight champion the world was homeless Oh, yeah, his his you ever heard his story. Oh, yeah So buddy of mine Bo Sandoval used to run the strength conditioning direct He was a strict condition director at UFC and so he told me about it years and years. He's like, we got this guy.

And I was like, really? He goes, no, this is gonna be a dude. And I was like, really? And he told me his whole story about Cameroon and living in France and the whole deal. And I became like, I never even looked eyes on the guy. I was like, this guy, he's my guy. I wanna like him.

And then he came on the scene. We're like, whoosh. His life story told on the podcast about making his trek like he just decided he has to leave Cameroon and I was like, what are you gonna do? You can't go anywhere and he went through the fucking desert Yeah all the way to Morocco and then gets in a raft and does it seven different times he gets arrested It's taken into custody. They bring him into the middle of desert drop him off He goes right back to Morocco walks through hitches ride took him a year and a half if he makes I Don't care how much money that guy makes it's not enough for just being able to do that

Like that is so so how about he has one boxing fight? He knocks down the heavyweight champion of the world and one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time He hits him with a left hook and drops him and almost almost won. Like, I thought he won the decision. It was over, I was like, they're gonna give it to him. I think he won the decision. He was battering him in the eighth round. He dropped him in the second. I'm like, I think he won.

And a lot of people thought he won. And he came that close. That fucking close. And so is that like, obviously genetically super gifted. But then also, like we're talking about like shoveling and doing all this work, when you do that work for that long, you learn how to become efficient because you don't wanna spend extra time

and effort doing stuff. So you just learn how to kind of move stuff. There's a little bit of that and I think to be, to be really charitable, I think Tyson Fury probably didn't think that he had a chance. I think Tyson Fury probably didn't train as hard as he chance. I think Tyson Fury probably didn't train as hard as he would have trained if he thought that Francis was a real threat.

Right. I think he probably thought, I'm gonna box this guy's fucking face off. How could this MMA fighter, and then he gets hit with one of them hammers. Yeah. Thud. And he's the Terminator. He gets left-tucked in the side of his head.

He's like, what the fuck did this guy just hit me with? And then he's on his ass as the heavyweight champion of the world, fighting a guy with zero professional fights. That was his first ever pro fight, his second ever pro round, and he drops one of the greatest heavyweights in the history of the game. I think my, here's my Mount Rushmore of heavyweight boxers. Mike Tyson's number one Mike Tyson from 1986 to like

1990 there was not or Whatever it was there was a few years before the wheels came off because he was just going crazy and Partying fighting with syphilis and shit. He was that he's a maniac But that guy the guy who knocked out like Michael Spinks Yeah, the guy who knocked out Larry Holmes the guy who won the title from Trevor Berwick, I think that guy's the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time He was a juggernaut man the guy who knocked out Marvis Frazier That's the scariest version of Tyson ever the Marvis Frazier version

But you can also like probably late high school Yeah, yeah So I was like a little kid and I remember like walking out my skateboard and they're like, You see Larry Holmes fight last night? I was like, oh no, but I heard it was like 19 seconds or whatever. It was crazy. We were all pumped. No, the Larry Holmes fight went a few rounds differently than I did as a kid. Yeah, well I was yeah, I was doing a little boxing myself and I was a giant boxing fan. He was a freak. He was a very unusual thing because every other heavyweight was kind of slow and even if they could hit hard they were lumbering. He was bobbing and weaving and moving and he was a small heavyweight. Twitchy.

Wasn't even six feet tall. So he's built like a brick shithouse. He's got a 20 inch neck. He's 220 pounds, moves like a guy who's 150 and he's throwing lightning bolts at your central nervous system. Just like, blang. He's hitting you to the body and your fucking legs are shutting off. He was a monster I just think you can't maintain that forever And I think I don't I always when I look at fighters

I try to look at him like when they were when they were white hot Just burning hot at the highest level that they could achieve What was that like like what was that? I feel like as great as Muhammad Ali was Man, I just don't see him surviving. I got a height no no no I just I see like Henry Cooper dropped Ali when he was back when he was Cassius Clay with a left hook and they cheated To get him out of the round and they cheated to get him out of the round. Custom Model cut his gloves, so they had to take his glove off and replace the gloves.

They gave him all this recovery time. You ever seen that Henry Cooper fight? Henry Cooper was a bad man. He was this British boxer, this guy from England who had a nasty left hook, and he caught Cassius Clegg. Just, bap! Perfect one. And he's like slumped down the ropes. He was Dunsville but

it was at the end of the round and then Angelo Dundee, I mean that guy had been around the block. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he knew it. Cut these fucking gloves. See if you can find that Jamie because it's a it's a crazy fork in the road in history. Right. Because if they don't cheat likely he gets stopped likely Henry Cooper who landed the perfect left hook hit some of the couple more right that's it he's done he looks done already like watch this Henry Cooper had a nasty left hook good bro look how he's down there yeah that's not regular down that's fucked up down that's like real, but it's the very end of the round

Look at this bro, but look how he goes down. That is yeah Dunsville so that's a minute earlier if he gets hit with that yep the whole thing changes, right? The whole thing changes. He's not undefeated when he fights sunny liston. He's not this unstoppable force Is that crazy? Crazy! And that can happen. And there are fighters that I have seen in the UFC that I go, this guy could be the next fill in the blank. This guy could be the next great welterweight champion, the next great lightweight champion. And then they have one fight and in one fight something happens. They get hit with a flying knee or they get head kicked or something happens and then

their whole path changes and you're like wow if that guy wasn't overmatched if he didn't fight that guy so which this is the difference between boxing and the UFC the UFC is like when you're ready to us. And you're gonna fight the best. Boxing is like, we're gonna build you. We're gonna take you and you're gonna fight a few guys that are like real slick, but they don't have power. And then you're gonna fight a big guy with a lot of power, but he doesn't have any endurance.

Yeah, and they're like, he's ready for this now. If you have a really good trainer like Tyson Fury's trainer sugar hill He's gonna like he's analyzing your movements. He's breaking down things He's figuring out what to change what not to change when to back you off a training like you're a little too hot right now Let's like oh, it's let's not peak too soon. Yeah, because we got two weeks before the fight sure I want you to take a day off like take a day off. I'm ready to fucking eat nails. No, no, no. No, we got to we got they know exactly. And then they're like, he's ready for this level of competition.

So they'll give you a guy that'll offer you some struggles, some tests. Maybe he's got a big, big punch. And you know, you might lose the fight, but you're most likely going to win. And this is how you find out if a guy's going to make it slowly move. you find out if a guy's gonna make it Right slowly move them. So there's a lot of boxers, you know by the time they're fighting for the title They're 14 and 0 16. No 18 right Charles Olivera. I mean, what is Charles Olivera's record? Let's let's see Charles Olivera's record So Charles Olivera when he became the lightweight champion, he had a ton of losses in the UFC. He got stopped by Paul Felder. He got stopped by Cub Swanson, KO'd him.

He got, I think, I'm pretty sure Jim Miller kneebarred him. So what is his record? But Jim's a freak. Look at that. 35 and 10. Okay. And so out of those 10, a few of them have been recently scroll back up to the top please so the Islam Akhacheff he loses a title and then

Armand Sarukhin he loses a split decision I thought he won that fight by the way but it was close so those are the two out of those ten so that means as a champion he had eight fucking losses. Eight losses, and some of them brutal knockouts. Because you're in there with the Lions, with all the Lions. And so the UFC is like, who's the baddest lion? Let's figure it out. You wanna be in the UFC, you win a few fights,

we're gonna throw you in. Or if it's, you know, last short notice, short notice fight. Let's go. And the thing you find out too, is that the level at the UFC, as great as some of these guys look in these other organizations, the level at the UFC, that's the peak. Those are the greatest fighters on the planet.

There's no arguing about it. And we found out about that this past weekend because Alexandre Pantoja, who might be the best pound for pound fighter alive, he's the flyweight champion. He fought this dude, Kai Asakura from Japan, who's a fucking assassin, but Pantoja just ate him alive, just ate him alive. And he got caught with a couple of good shots too, a couple of good knees to the body. And you know, Kai Asakura is a really good fighter, but the level was just different. Like Pantoja just, he strangled him. But it's just the way he did it.

I mean, he was fucking him up on the feet. He was fucking him up everywhere. He was just pushing him in this like insane pace. You watch those little guys fight, like they can, they fight like pit bulls, man. Like just like wild scrambles where they're moving so fast. You're trying to call the fight and it's like me and Daniel We're talking about during the commentary like we have to recalibrate our brains

Yeah, cuz you won't go from a heavyweight fight to a flyweight fight like whoa It's like listen to a podcast when you turn it to 1.5 Yeah, I actually had to start listening to your podcast at regular speed because I was I thought you talked really fast into your podcast at regular speed because I thought you talked really fast. I was just like, oh Joe, no one talks that fast because I listen to it super fast. Somebody sent me a clip of someone, some political person talking about one of the guests on the show and I was like, what is wrong with the clip? And then I had to realize, oh they got an unspeeded up version. Yeah, do you listen to stuff speeded up?

Never. Never. A buddy of mine taught me that. He listens to books. He got up to 4X. so you just don't we're being it the same way I think if you're kind of like Rain Man, which I'm not I'm not but I go one five pretty easy and I could I could just get through it faster Yeah, I see how that could help but for me I'm not doing reading the books on tape or not reading books on tape

or listening to books on tape for anything other than my own enjoyment and education. So for me, I'm enjoying it. So I like to think about the things and I'll have more time to think about what this person's saying if they're not going at one and a half speed. Because if they're going at one and a half speed

and going one concept to the next, then I'm like, wait a minute, I don't understand what you're gonna have to back up. I like to think about stuff. So it's like, especially then I'm like, wait a minute, I don't understand what you're doing. You're gonna have to back up. I like to think about stuff. So it's like, especially if I'm listening to something esoteric or really weird. Yeah, makes sense. Which is a lot of the stuff that I listen,

if I'm not listening to fiction, I'm probably listening to a book on physics or something. I listen to Jack Carr stuff at regular speed because I really just enjoy the books. Oh, that guy, what is his name? Who's the guy who does his, Yeah, by, Guy's really good. Yeah books. Oh that guy. What is his name? By guys really good. Yeah, I can't remember a lot of good

Dialects and everything. Yeah, Jack text me this morning. He said hi. He's the man. He's awesome. I love that They share we're across Tomahawks on the wall. Oh for sure. I love it. Yeah, he's like, hey tell jealous I love that dude. Yeah, he's salted the earth. Yeah, we just got him some CMBs I love that dude. Yeah, he's salted the earth. Yeah, we just got him some CMBs Report with the Ray Porter that Ray Porter knew was a race across tomahawks on there. He's the fucking man and The thing about his books on tape though is you're locked into Ray Porter forever some new person starts Are you screwed like who is this guy? This is bullshit. Yeah, you can't you can't have this guy doing it. The guy's amazing. I'm used to all the voices. Rafe is a good boy.

He's got a South African accent. You know who else is really good? Who's the guy who does the Grey Man series? There's a guy who does... You ever listen to the Grey Man series? I'm so addicted. Mark Grainy writes them. They're so ultra violent. They're so fucking crazy. They're so crazy

It's about a CIA hit man. Oh, it was like a singleton guy. They send all around dude It's so like they made a movie about like one the weird ones who give you like you'll think about it all night Kind of like oh, yeah When I would start watching the Sopranos like my view on the world would change Jay Snyder that guy's really good He does really good girl voices to it would change. Jay Snyder. That guy's really good. He does really good girl voices too. But those fucking books, man, they are so ultra violent. They're so crazy. They're so crazy. Like sometimes I listen to them and I have to shut them up before I go to bed. Like if I listen to them, like I like to take the sauna before I go to bed. And so if I'm

listening to like, you know, a book on cosmology, that's great. It's interesting. Go to bed and think about space. That's kinda cool. But if I'm listening to some Grey Man before I go to bed, I'm like, I gotta shut this off. Yeah, we don't need that. We don't need that in the house. Yeah, people get in their fucking eyeballs, like a giant sword shoved through their eyeballs,

getting blown up, grenades in their mouth, like, hey! Hey, hey! Hey! Hey, hey, hey! Do you like scroll around, or you're not supposed to look, hey. Do you like scroll around? You're not supposed to look at your phone before you go to bed. I always just, I like look up ballistics.

My wife's like, what are you doing? And I was like, she's like, kind of like. Well, that's good. That's not social media, that's good. Well, I do it because I actually can think about stuff and it doesn't matter. I have to look at something that doesn't matter. Like if I look at like a good, don't

check an email. Like you're screwed, right? Like and I'll tell my wife, she's like, hey, I got a question for you. She's like, the lights are off. Don't ask questions right now. Like I'll be all night. I'll be thinking of this problem I have to solve. So like I'll just sit there. I'm like, hey, I wonder what the ballistic coefficient of a 350 Remington Magnum is. By the way, anybody with a beard like yours, I would assume they know the ballistic coefficient of a 350 Magnum. It's like, I see a dude in a beard like that, he's kind of jacked, I'm like, that guy knows how to shoot some things. 100%. They're just like, oh yeah, so you would be- Probably loads his own bullets.

Yeah, they're about a 9 inch drop at 300. Interesting. Okay, I'll keep that in mind. Yeah, you probably load your own rounds. Yeah, well, you know. Yeah, I bet you do. I get them in presses. Pops used to be really, really into that. Thankfully, I know the guys at NOSler, so they just sent me ammo, which is nice.

I've made the mistake of looking at social media before I go to bed and I get mad, or I get upset, or I get sad, or I find out some weird shit that's going on in the world. And when I was younger, I'd read things that people would say about me. And I'd be like, oh my god. Like, what is this asshole?

That's not true. And you get all upset. And then I realized, like, wait, this is just some person. I wouldn't talk to them in real life. Like, why is their opinion more valid because it's written down? So then I stopped reading all comments about me. And oh my god, it changed everything.

Changed everything. You do the post-it ghost, right? Yes, it's the way to go. I have friends and they'll come to me, like they'll come to the comedy club or something, and they'll be like genuinely emotionally distraught because people are attacking them online. I go, but they're not here.

Like right here, your friends are here, and you're all freaked out. Because I know I gotta stop reading that stuff I go you gotta stop reading that stuff. First of all, it's not true. You're really funny. You're a great guy Right, so it's all bullshit and they don't know you right? So they're just deciding to do this and they know that it fucks with you because you talk openly about it And so now they're gonna accentuate it. They're gonna. Yeah, they're gonna keep jabbing at you. They got a rock There's a window. Yeah, they're the cheap seats for within them there

you gotta stop doing that man And a few guys have listened to me and a few guys haven't and the guys have listened to me They all say the same thing like oh my god. I feel so much better I'm like yeah social media is not the problem the problem is either engaging in the anger in the hate or Having reading people's anger and hate towards you and having it fuck your head up like hey having reading people's anger and hate towards you and having it fuck your head up like hey Do you think it's something that's like systemic? That that is literally spreading and and growing like the people that put that type of trash out all the time And then they think there's some sort of value to that and then other people see it and then value right they do get engagement

Right and if you're a person that has like a YouTube show where all you do is shit on people you have bad karma for sure You for sure you're suffering. Yeah, but you got to deal with that the rest of your life like dealing that right But you can make a living doing that like there are guys who make a living doing that they're all fucked up Yeah, I'm not saying there's value in it But I do think you make something out you can create a career doing that that's part of the problem is that it's effective Right like the trolls. Yeah, like it rolls and it does get engagement But then you know that you're what kind of engagement are you getting look? I have people that hate me on but not the ones who know me right? That's what's kind of important

Yeah, the people that know me either in real life or through the podcast know I'm a nice person. I work really hard at it. I'm actually, I try hard to be a nice person. It's not like it's a conscious effort. I'm good at it. I like doing it. I like nice people. I like to be a nice person.

Makes me feel good. So I don't engage. I don't fire back at people. I don't, you know, when people get mad at me, even celebrities have attacked me online. I'm like, eh. Yeah. How does that feel like probably being in that world a bit more

and then now having people turn on you probably feels strange. Perfect. They're just revealing who they are. They're just weak. They're just weak people. They're not the type of person to live. If you did that in front of me when you were around me, we could have a conversation about why I feel like you're incorrect and

This assumption that you have of me is totally wrong and also if you're not talking to someone in person and you're saying something about that person like You don't you can just kind of like form some bullshit narrative. Of course. The person's right there, they'll go, that's not true. Yeah. So you're saying something, and if it was true, then you'd be justified in your anger. But what you're saying is not true,

and you're taking things completely out of context, and you don't know what you're talking about, and you're doing this because your life sucks. Right. And it's the only time you do it. That's it. I've always said, do you think Michael Jordan is posting on YouTube? Is he making comments?

No. When he was in, if YouTube was around when Michael Jordan was the king, would he be doing that? No. He doesn't have time, because he's being a winner. Because he's actually winning and doing, yeah, 100%. Guarantee you, Michael Jordan reads the comments. And if he did read the comments, he'd be up all night, anger.

You know, like, you saw that Neil Brennan had a bit about Michael Jordan's documentary on his last Netflix specials pretty funny It's like unless you want to be the greatest basketball player of all time because you don't hold grudges unless You want to have a hundred fifty million dollars worth of passive income every year because it's a fucking silhouette of you dunking Unless unless it's a good unless but again, those are freaks, right? Yeah, these are the outliers Yeah, these are the people like as a rule as a human being that's not the way to go Insatiable desire to like just hammer that nail until it's just so far down in the woods. It's like I Don't know what you're doing anymore. But yeah. That's how you become the greatest of all time.

You leave no question. It's just, the difference between that in sport versus that in fighting though, is in fighting, I don't think you can maintain it. No. Like a guy like Jordan, how long was he in his prime? It was a decade, right? At least, yeah.

For a decade, he was dominating the basketball. Wow. You can't really do that in fighting. John Jones is the only one who John Jones the only one has been able to think it just takes so much aggression So much damage so much damage to your body You know the damage to your body is huge because there's so much damage that happens just in training Sure, John tore his pack off of his fucking shoulder in training. Yeah, and that wasn't getting hit that was wrestling Yeah, yeah, and then there's the the impacts that Yeah, and then there's the impacts that you get, and then there's the back stuff.

You get thrown weird, you land on your back weird, you're throwing someone, a knee hits you weird, your ribs break all the time, hands break all the time, common gym injuries, knee blows out noses Everybody's got a broken nose. I don't know anybody who does any kind of combat sports that hasn't broken their nose So there's like you after a while you can't breathe out of your nose Your nose is destroyed your fucking hand hurts when you try to like open your car door Yeah, and you have to punch people in the head with it your knee hurts going downstairs

door yeah and you have to punch people in the head with it your knee hurts going downstairs Kamaru Usman you want to hear something crazy when he walks he has to walk backwards downstairs because his knees are so bad because he can't get the knee over the toe his knee hurts so bad and he's he was a welterweight champion the world with those knees and he was talking about it openly he's like oh you know you can know you can know my knees are bad i'm still gonna fuck you up and he did he fucked everybody up forever. It's got to Leon Edwards But his knees are so bad that he would have to walk on the grass where everybody was like walking on the sidewalk You'd have to go over to walk on the grass cuz just take a little bit of extra cushion just something Yeah, bone-on-bone man. Yeah bone-on-bone

something. Yeah, bone on bone, man. Yeah, bone on bone. Well, it looks like the operators like, you know, guys are jumping out of, Oh yeah. Like all of them are jacked up. All of them. Everyone in the strength world, everyone's low back, everyone's shoulder, everyone's knee, everyone in jujitsu. Everyone's got a back problem. Everyone's got a neck problem. It's part of it. Everyone blows a knee out. Yeah. Yeah. And if, you know, Eddie always used to say, look, you're going to have to get surgery eventually say look you're gonna have to get surgery eventually Yeah, you have to get surgery. Just get the surgery heal up come back. Yeah, I gotta stop

We yeah We rebuilding this engine and keep erasing or is this like doing as least as you can to not get surgery my second surgery I went to this doctor and when I had a bucket handle meniscus tear so it would lock you ever have one of them It locks out. It was fucking brutal and He was like you've got to stop doing martial arts. I go shut the fuck up. I go I go fix this he's like when you're older. I'm like yeah when I'm older well right now I'm 30 years old fix my fucking knee. I gotta go strangle people. What are you talking about? Yeah, what the fuck are you talking about stop doing this? I'm not gonna stop doing this same thing

I was 22 when I had that and I had an Olympic trial in two years. I was much fun I was like see I know like no thick and I before I went on I was like I've squatted this much and I do This when I come out of it, I expect to be back there. So fix it like that Don't fix it. Like I'm an old guy taking her easy and like young I got I got shit Do they fix it differently depending on like who you are I don't know I just felt better I tell you what they do get they got a lot better I would actually fix you maybe they wouldn't fix normal well I tell everybody if you have an opportunity to get a ACL reconstruction please at least try the cadaver graft I know a lot of people want to do that patella tendon graft because you don't have the risk

of rejection. I don't know anybody who's had a rejection from the cadaver. I do know people who have pushed it too hard, too early, and then re-blown it. Because you know how it works? Do you know what happens? I'm not familiar. It's really kind of interesting. You get this.

So my right knee, when I blew my ACL out, they take a cadaver, like I have a dead dude's Achilles tendon, which is much thicker. I don't know his name. I hope it was a... God, Francis Agata. Yeah, you're like, hope it's some stud. Just fucking animal, just giant Viking dude. So it's thicker than the, it's 150% stronger than a real ACL. And so they screw that in place. And then it's thicker than the, it's 150% stronger than a real ACL. And so they screw that in place and then it's not like you have this dead guy's thing in there forever. What happens is your body re-proliferates that.

It acts as a scaffolding. So it can feel like it's secure but it's really vulnerable. So you have to be super careful up until like that six month mark when it should be re-proliferated. And so does the foreign tissue eventually just kind of get reabsorbed, which is kind of weird? Exactly. You eat that dead guy's Achilles with your knee. My knee is just munching these dead dude Achilles.

But man, I've had no problems with this knee. This right knee is amazing. The left knee, I had a patellar tendon graft and, uh, cause I had that one done in 93 or 94 and that one back then, that's the only way they did it, but it was really good, but it took a long time to heal. Like it was a long time before I could kneel down on the ground. Like if I had to kneel down and put my knees on the ground, cause they take a piece of bone out of your shin and they take a piece of bone out of

your kneecap and then they take a slice out of your patellar tendon and they pull that off and they open you up like a fish and they fucking drill it into your shin bone and drill it into your fibula. Love that. Your tibia and your femur rather. Yeah. And it's like, they get it in there and then it's like a year before it feels like you could do anything with it It took a while before I felt like I really trusted it

But I do have to say I was not as diligent with my rehabilitation back then as I was When I got this one done with this one, I was I rehabbed it all myself. I didn't I went to like one or two of these things I'm like they're just showing me things already know how to do my I know what to do I'm just gonna do this and I'm gonna do it all day. So I was doing bodyweight squats like all day long. And I got it to six months later, I was training again, full blast, no problems. Were you doing any like the BPCs or any of the peptides?

There was nothing available back then. Oh, well back then. So this was 2003 that I got this one done. And this was the patellar tendon, or this was the cadaver rather. How do you think the recovery would have worked for us? Like with all these dings and injuries? Because I've had a co I'm sure you probably have to a couple friends that got surgery. Actually, the doctor hit him side injection and even IV with BPC 157 during the the reattachment

of a pack or a bicep. Super legit. It's super legit along with TB 500. Apparently that combination of those two together is the most effective. It's like the Wolverine, right? Yeah. Super effective. And you know, there's a lot of people that resist that for some strange reason. Why? I don't know. I think there's a bit of ego involved in not knowing something when you're an expert. I find that with, there's a real problem with, unfortunately, some orthopedic surgeons. Aaron Rodgers was explaining this to me that his doctors were telling him not to do stem cells

after he got his Achilles fixed. He's like, what are you talking about? Shut the fuck up. So of course he did stem cells, and of course he went to Ways to Well, and of course he was back three months earlier than they thought he could ever be. And there was some real thought at the end of that season

that he was probably gonna be able to play, where everybody's like, this is nuts, nobody recovers from this that fast. But he was very smart, and he didn't push it too far, and he waited until fully. Actually followed Brigham and all this stuff. But yeah, stem cells work. There's a reason why you have to go down to Tijuana to get the good ones because they

fucking work. Like anything that works is like you're not allowed to do it anymore. Biden. It really helped us out on that. The steroid thing in 91, that cocksucker. He really did. I was talking to a strength conditioning professional the other day at the administrative level and we were just talking about different things going on.

I said yes and I You know I said there's people in my opinion in your world that they don't know about BPC 157 He didn't know about BPC and I'm just like crazy And I'm like, okay, I was taking eight years ago. Well, you know what it is though It's like they don't continue to learn that was my point and then they're in practice all day They're constantly working on people. People are coming in the door, this guy blew his ankle out,

this guy's got a fucking blown shoulder. Yeah. But, and I said the weird part is, is you have a strength conditioning professional and in some ways there's more information cutting edge on a podcast from guys that are interested in training than there are from like the, you know, and I'm just like, hey guys, just open the scope a little bit.

Well, there's enough of these guys that are super smart and also jacked, like these Andrew Huberman guys. Yeah. And super smart guys that are in the bodybuilding world, super smart guys like Derek from More Plates More Gates. He's the best example. Because he's just a fucking encyclopedia of data and studies and efficacy and what you're how you combine things together and he actually runs a

clinic so he really knows what he's doing. Right, so you get the boots on the ground you see it in real time. Yeah. My doc is Eric Serrano. I don't know if you know Doc Serrano. He's up in Columbus but you know everyone has goneano. He's up in Columbus, but you know, everyone has gone to him over the last 30 years, but he's one of those dudes that has like a basement gym. Trevor Burrus Columbus Ohio? Trevor Burrus Columbus Ohio, yes. Trevor Burrus Oh, that's where Louis was.

Trevor Burrus Exactly. He was Louis' doctor. So yeah, he was Louis. You go through all professional baseballs, like, okay, got it, track it. Trevor Burrus He's one of the rare guys that we went to him to do a podcast. Trevor Burrus How was that? Trevor Burrus Oh, it was awesome. Trevor Burrus Did rare guys that we went to him to do a podcast. How was that? Oh, it was awesome. Did you go to Bob Evans with him? No, we just we hung out in his gym. Yeah. You know, and he, he just was introducing me to a bunch of freaks and showing me all the stuff that he invented and why invented it. So cool. Louie Simmons. He was the fucking man.

He was so funny. He was so funny. He was such a character. He was telling me about how he got his shoulder blown, got his shoulder replaced. And then immediately when he got back to the gym, they made him max out and bench. And I was like, what are you talking about? You need to recover. It's like, don't, they were like, don't be a pussy. Yeah. You have to max out.

I was there in 2002. And so Louis and his wife, Doris, and they would always, you always meet the Bob Evans in the morning and he would eat and like do the whole deal. And he was telling me a story about how he had a he got he got pissed off and he could something to his cell phone he threw it out the window while he was driving. And then so he didn't have a cell phone for a couple weeks. And then he got to the gym and he missed a lift and he punched his own tooth out punched himself so hard he knocked his own tooth out and then took a wire brush that you like clean the chalk out of a barbell and smashed himself on the head.

He was just pouring, his wife was like, yeah, Lou was pouring blood and he knocked the tooth out and I'm just thinking, well, that side was awesome. Like, holy crap. So I got talking to him and he was like, yeah, right. Cause he blew him out. I just never got it fixed. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of those guys, same. Yeah. It's was like yeah those cats would they'd fight and he goes we would

literally like there's some some tuned up dudes in there and he said that we would just literally kick them out the door if they were fighting on the floor we would kick them out of the way so they're out of the way of the monolith so we could keep squatting like every 30 seconds you're up or 90 seconds whatever it's like i don't care if you're fighting literally hitting each other with stuff move the next guy up. Like this place is wild. They created some fucking animals. Here's a wild story. So we were there and this drunk chick came in she was like because this was the old west side it was like in this little shopping center with all the windows were all blacked out and everything was pretty dope.

And this drunk chick walked in and she's like, Hi y'all working out here. And she was tuned, man. She was like all sloppy, like legit street person. And I'm like, Oh, this is going to go bad. Like, I'm just reading the room, right? Like, there's not a lot of estrogen in that room, right so I'm like, oh man, this is gonna be bad It was like hey, come here. Come here. So he puts a Weight vest on her and then puts a second weight. This is 25 20 hours 50 pound weight vest and takes her outside

Wraps a belt around her waist with a sled and had her walking, doing sled pulls back and forth with a weight, 50 pounds of weight vest on her shoulders. Drunk. Drunk as shit. I'm just like, I'm just like watch, I'm like what? She comes back in, he's like, all right, come over here.

He puts her on the monolift, two red bands, well it was maybe just the bar, wasn't a lot of weight on there. And had her doing speed box squats, eight sets of two for speed, and was teaching her how to box squat. She finally stumbles out and just leaves. And like later on I'm like,

Lou, did you know that girl? He goes, no. I'm like, she was just some random street person and you had her squatting? He goes, shit, half the people in this room were that person a year ago. I'm like, oh, he goes, she could be world champion. You never know.

Wow. And I was just like, that was, that's- What a crazy mentality. That stuck with me for so long. He's like, most of these people are broken, and they have some addictive thing and something, and he goes, if they could channel it into something, that might be the next world champion

And I don't know if you ever saw her again Or if I was just there that one day and it stuck with me for 22 years And I just thought about that. I'm like he put his money where his mouth was. He was a coach and he wanted to see What could what could someone do? You know that's so interesting because one of the guys who trained with Louie was Matt the immortal brown Matt the immortal brown I know he did some training with him And I've always said that there's something about guys that used to be addicts That have like died and Matt died and it's been a few guys I know that they came back from that they were the scariest fucking people

Because they had crossed over and then they realized what's a good addiction. The good addiction is to training. Just be completely addicted to training. And so those are some of the fucking scariest dudes. It was wild. I mean, I know, I knew a lot of those guys from that world and a lot of them are addicted to different stuff. And unfortunately they get into training and then if they get out of it, it kind of that addiction might come back. That happens with fighters when they retire. And then also they're generally dealing with some issues mentally from impacts. You know, and so a lot of those guys start drinking, they start doing coke.

I always loved how Louie just saw it differently and my dad was the same way. Like he used to always say, look for something not of what it is, but what it can be. And that meant human potential, that meant designs, that meant like application of stuff. And it's just like, yeah, that person's whatever. But if you push and you tweak and you push and you tweak, there might be something in there that's like super beautiful and awesome. But you never know if you just said that's a drunk chick that walked in the gym. Well, it's crazy with him because he's actually done it a bunch of times and it worked. Right?

Weird. So this attitude he's developed over time, just accept the fact that this person might come in 16 cores, lights deep. Dude. Just tuned. Just tuned. You know? You never know.

But in my mind, he trained at Westside and he said I mean half the time he said there's he's like I've seen guys bench 700 pounds like on acid like just Freaked out of their mind. It's like wild stuff and I'm like, holy cow I got a world as wild. Yeah, like you had an old I mean that's a whole world like is so extreme right the fighting world the lifting the throwing like Did you do some pretty wild stuff? Yeah, well, and whenever you get like these male-oriented alpha characters that all get together and they're all butting heads and trying to figure out

who's the baddest motherfucker around them, they also develop like a culture of like acceptance of certain aspects of life that come with like the injuries and pain and suffering and You know like wrestlers there they like brag on suffering the most they want to suffer more than anybody They like that's the badge of honor is what time you get up for 30 I was on my 14th mile at 430, you know, like yeah, just drag you into deep water Let's make it worse. That's the part of the culture of wrestling is embracing the grind.

That's the whole thing. It's like being the guy who can push being that cam Haynes motherfucker that does those 340 mile runs. Is it cause I think I've read before, is this accurate that the highest winning percentage in the UFC were all from the wrestling background? Is that accurate? I'd probably say that's probably accurate. I think if you had to see, if you had to say like, what's the back, I've always said that's the foundation of martial arts because the wrestler can decide where the fight takes place.

Wrestler, generally, mentally, they're gonna be tougher because they went through the hardest thing when they were a child. The hardest thing as a child is wrestling. You're starving yourself when you're growing, you're dehydrating yourself before matches, you're training and competing dehydrated, you're in a fucking hot room, clashing with other alpha males and you're throwing each other around. The hardest thing.

Trevor Burrus Can stuff infections every once in a while. Kevin Kroemer But that skill is so important, the skill to be able to manipulate bodies and take them down and if you could teach a wrestler jiu-jitsu Oh my god, they're so much better at it because they're just so accustomed It's just they just have to learn a new series of movements to go with this skill set, right? They already because they they're great at controlling body Yeah, and just the proximity like yeah people aren't good with being all up in people and they're like, I live here. They live there. And then the other thing is, if you could teach a wrestler how to strike, they have

such an advantage because you can't take them down and you're worried about them taking you down, so that opens you up to certain shots. It happens all the time where guys are worried about a takedown and they get blasted because they're thinking, this guy could take me down at any moment and then you get hit. It's like another element that they put in that you have to deal with that they don't have to deal with. They're not worried about you taking them down. You're not even going to try.

So they can be completely relaxed with their takedown defense. So then they- Terrifying. Yes. Horrible. Being here with an elite wrestler is fucking horrible. I've even seen elite wrestlers even in business and stuff like that. It always feels like they're trying to shoot in on you.

Right. They're looking for the weakness, trying to shoot in. You're like, ah, this is just kind of in you, huh? Well, they also know that they can. You're walking around knowing that you can pick up any guy you want and dump him on his head. And most likely, they have no say in it. There's nothing they can do.

You don't get a vote. Yeah, man. If you're like if if you're around a judo black belt and you're wearing a winter coat, you might as well have a hammer right above your head because that guy's just gonna use that coat and slam you into the concrete. You're basically helpless. Yeah. If you don't know judo and you tangle up with like a real judo black belt, you're gonna fly through the air and you tangle up with like a real judo black belt You're gonna fly through the air and you're gonna land on the ground with all of his weight and your weight on top of you And even if you don't bang your head your whole body is gonna be out of air You're not gonna you don't know how to land. No, you're gonna land

Especially when a guy's controlling. Oh, and he's gonna shoulder right into you as he lands You're fucked. Yeah, so that guy's gonna the smash. Oh, and he's gonna shoulder right into you as he lands. Boom! You're fucked. Yeah. So that guy's gonna look at every person like meat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I never realized how effective a gi choke was

until Hoist gi choked me. That was my first ever, I was like, yeah, I'll try a jujitsu. And he did like a clinic, he's like, come on up for this thing. And my buddy is on me trying to do the thing. And then I thought hoist put me in like the member, the old thing with like the paper cutters. Oh yeah.

Pretty sure that was what he has for a forearm. Way different. Yeah. My big buddy. That's my size. Hoist is way different than that. It's leverage. Holy cow. I was, it's time that shoe. It was like his armor made with scissors. It was just like just like this is amazing. Like it's so cool to see perfection, right? Yeah Well, that's the other thing about coats jackets or even a hoodie you could choke someone so easy with a hoodie Really get your thumbs in deep Yeah, you could choke the shit out of someone if you grab somebody Yeah, I just drew them in especially like like I said a leather coat like a

Jay Leno you're in trouble that jean shirt that things durable You want some shit that tears easy like you want a shirt that already has cuts in it you're pretty loaded you should like feel out the back of your shirt make some cuts in it because someone can just grab your t-shirt there's actually a Gracie self-defense thing that was on that I was looking at the other day day was a really smart move where this woman was showing that you can grab a hold of someone's t-shirt if you're a woman and you're getting attacked by a man just grab a hold their t-shirt and then getting your legs around their neck no way you're

jamming your carotid artery their carotid arteries with your thumb while you're holding a t-shirt squeeze with your legs you can put a guy out especially a guy that doesn't know what's happening and doesn't know how to protect himself. I try I don't know how that's that's not it But it was She was on her back It was on YouTube. I tried to move like that one time. I was goofing around with my buddy. We call him the cyborg he's an absolute just monster of a human and my buddy, we call him the cyborg. He's an absolute just monster of a human. And he and I were goofing around and I was on my back and like, and so I kind of like got him the

little like, like a leg scissors on his head and I grabbed his arm and like, I'm going to pull his arm off. Like I'm a big, strong deadlifter. I'm like, I got him. I finally got him. He was 290, 6'2", 290, all app. Looked like Gordon, but like bigger and stronger. And he literally just, I thought he was going out and he kind of went, and woke up. And he picked me up while I was hanging out and then just slammed me down on the ground. Like, man, screw this.

People could do that to people. Like, no, no one could stand up with a person hanging off them and slam them back. You gotta hook his leg. You gotta under hook the leg. I didn't know that. I just got clobbered. You wanna see the worst version of that ever?

Rampage Jackson versus Ricardo Arona. Did you ever see that in Pride? It's the worst case scenario of holding on to a triangle while a guy picks you up. And Rampage, in his prime, was a fucking machine. He was so powerful. So he takes this dude who's 200 plus pounds hoists him over his head and slams him down like a pill so look at this so he's

caught in the triangle watch how rampage does this ah yeah bro I didn't was one of the worst KOs in the history of the sport I mean that dude could have definitely could have died he probably got the worst trauma Yeah, the worst brain trauma knee himself in the face, too He I think rampage collided heads with them as well. So it's probably a bunch. Yeah, like all kinds I think right there is no Yeah, it's his shoulder rampage his head went into his This this is a crazy slam man. Look at that his. This is a crazy slam, man. Look at that. Ba-boom.

Mine was not nearly as devastating, but it was enough to maybe not want to do that again. That was the worst. And this guy was never the same again. Ricardo Aroto was never the same again. That is such a crazy. Look at the G-forces. That all could have been avoided. Like that's not what you do. When you have a triangle, if you see a guy posturing up you immediately go under

If he's got you in the air you let go of the fucking triangle the thing that's holding him in there was him He's holding himself in there. Yes. He was the pit wanted all because Sometimes you can keep it right sometimes you can keep a triangle and you get slammed and it just makes the triangle tighter But you got to know when you're way up in the air. You gotta let go. You gotta fully let go and then try to sprawl. Something has to happen. You have to disrupt this motion.

This thing that's happening. The best way is an underhook. Like as soon as you feel like he starts to stand up, you hook the leg and worst case scenario, you transition to a leg bar, you let go of the triangle, you get control of that leg, and you use that leg either to try to submit him or sweep him, but you can never hold onto a triangle

if the guy's standing up. It's just, look at that fucking concrete. You're done. You're dead. You're done. Your head is pulverized. Yeah, it was bad enough on turf, but I won't do that again. And that was like, you know, there's a little bit

of springiness to the ground because it's in a ring still. And there's probably a certain amount of padding on the surface. How hard are those rings? And I've walked around in them. There's a little bit like the UFC has a small amount of foam, like a padding. And it's very important really, because, you know, guys' heads bounce off and they get head kicked. They because you know guys heads bounce off and they get head kicked they fall down their heads bounce up to get hit with a

big right hand or something you bounce your head so you can't have a real hard floor yeah but it's not soft enough where you want you know John Jones power slamming you no not really any day no days actually that's crazy yeah it's a I mean to be one of those people that make a living doing that, that is a wild way to go. Yeah, what happened where that decided like that that was the direction they were gonna go? You're like, you know what, I'm gonna get the crap beat

out of me and dole out a lot of pain and see how this shakes out or do you just kind of like wake up one day and you're in that world, you're like, I'm pretty good. Well you're probably a wild person to begin with and you're probably excited by dangerous scary things and you're probably pretty good at it which is why you're fighting professionally. Yeah. You know so you're probably trained in the gym and you realize you're better than most

people maybe a few amateur fights and fuck a few people up and go you know I think I'm the fucking man. Start believing them out. Yeah and some of them are right. Yeah. Some of them are John Jones. A few amateur fights and fuck a few people up and go, you know, I think I'm the fucking man start believing Yeah, and some of them are right. Yeah Every now and then a guy is correct like that's the way you should have went. Yeah, yeah, definitely Fucking everybody up. Yeah, everybody belly. It's okay. You were talking about first so Tyson yeah, that's that's my heavyweight. That's my heavyweight. All timer. John Jones for us. He's the guy that's like, I feel like Tyson in his

prime, you have to have him on the Mount Rushmore. You want to have Jack Dempsey, you want to have Joe Frazier, you want to I mean, it's like a lot of guys who are really good. It's hard to say like Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, there's a lot of like, for me, the one that you can't remove is Tyson. So there's a bunch of other ones, Lennox Lewis in his prime was fucking amazing, Larry Holmes doesn't get the credit he deserves in his prime, there's a lot of guys

who are really good heavyweight champions, but you have to have Tyson. Everything else is negotiable. Tyson has to be there, in my mind. You know, different people disagree. Do you watch other sports besides fighting sports or combat sports? I watch a little football.

Yeah, I've been watching football lately. I enjoy it. It's fun. Pro or college? I watch high school. Yeah, right? I watch college and I watch pro. I went to an NFL game the first time this year. Kind of cool.

It was fun. Yeah, I saw the Jets played the Cowboys down Dallas That was wild. It's why we see the scale of it You know the scale of it the size you've been many college games before a few few you do you were at UT? Yeah, that's fun. I got to shoot the cannon Isn't it crazy like have you been keeping up with like the NIL and all the the Transfer portals and how that's changed the landscape of all of them.

I have not. What is that? What are you saying? NIL is name, image and likeness. Oh that, right, the money thing. Yeah, the money thing is crazy. Well, they should have been paying those fucking kids a long ass time ago. They should retroactively pay all those kids.

That would be interesting. They should. They should. They were making money off of them. It's crazy how much money they make. The amount of money that this happened And now it's interesting because like it actually from a couple my friends that are in that world that creates a different Conversation with the new kids because let's say in high school

They're you know, they're bringing in these recruits and everything like that and everyone that's kissing their butt. Hey, man They're like hey, we really want you to be here. We want you to be a right ever pay me bitch And now it's turning into pay me. Yeah, and but then the other side of the I want a Corvette Dude I have friends that tell me that they're their athletes who when they're coming to a recruiting trip Say if there's not a quarter million dollar signing bonus as just a part of the deal I'm not getting on the plane for the recruiting trip An 18 or 17 year old kid saying that that's balls. Oh my meanwhile, they're right You know who else should be doing that the fucking Olympics?

Yeah, fucking Olympics. They should all say fuck you pay me. They really should That's the greatest scam in all of you. Yeah, everyone. Well now they can now I'm in the Olympic Committee, but originally it was They can now I'm in the Olympic committee, but originally it was Amateur which well they can't meanwhile like what you mean is like the NBA players can represent the United States and play in the Olympics Yeah, that's that's cute. But what about the swimmers? What about the people? What about the gymnasts? What about the boxers? Those fucking all those people should get paid Yeah, every single one of them and only and no one really cares about Olympic athletes But every four years like right a buddy of mine won the shoot the 2004 shot put, uh, Olympics.

And he was like, I still have to ask my mom for money. He's like, because no one cares about the Olympics, but every four years. And you're like, you have a degree at Dartmouth, a business degree, and you're the Olympic champion and, and he was the first athlete to ever eBay himself so he had a shirt that says this space for rent and so he would he like what put himself on the Mars like kind of like the first thing else like hey man I have to make money throwing the steel ball and I'm 30 something years old I'm a world champion and I still have to ask for money every three

every four years or four three they used to do that with the UFC used to be able to have sponsors. So yeah, anything you want all like Condom Depot and your shorts. How about those old days like Tank Abbott and all these guys, at least the love watching all that was in college, we like get it pay for view and like check it out. Yeah, man. That's the dark days. The early days. No was really, that was so funny. No one knew what was going on. No one really knew what was effective.

You saw some people were effective one way, and you thought that's the way to go, and like... Yeah, it was kind of like when you're in high school, when you would go sneak out of the house and you'd watch Faces of Death. Oh, yeah. And it was like, wow, this is like a cool thing. It's like the UFC, like...

Kids will never understand how difficult it was to see fucked up things when we were young. It was hard. Really hard. You? It was hard. Really hard. You had to try hard. You had to like know somebody. You had no older kids.

You had to know somebody in the city. Someone had some dark warehouse. I had a copy of some barnyard Betty video. It's always weird. Yeah, I know. It's just like, yeah, you rode your bike all around and you like find some weird woodpile. I remember when we were kids, someone had a video. I think it was like a barnyard Betty

type video, like when them ladies have sex with a bunch of animals. And one of us had to watch the door. So if we had a video like that, we're playing in the basement, one of us had to go up to the top of the staircase and wait by the door so that no one could just open the door. So they open the door, you would pretend like, oh, I was just coming through the door so that no one could just open the door and then they open the door you would pretend like oh I was just coming through the door You know so like you hold it out of the door so they can't get in like oh, sorry Oh, sorry, and then the kids downstairs would hear that they'd pop the tape out and pretend

They were you know playing Atari or sorry But you had to pop that fucking tape out quick because if mom caught you down there watching a chick blow a German Shepherd Yeah, that didn't have pan out there like real grainy like copies of copies You know like two guys get together with two VCRs and they record oh, yeah Well the weird you have to get the yeah, you had the cables in the back So is that was that you live in the city grown up or I lived in the suburbs. I lived in Newton Newton You live in the city grown up? I lived in the suburbs. I lived in Newton, Newton's suburb of Massachusetts,

Boston. Yeah. Did you live in New Jersey at one point? Yeah, that's where I was born. Yeah. So is my dad. What part? Hillside.

Have you seen all these UFOs in New Jersey lately? No. Yeah, like over the last few days, there's been this steady stream. They're not UFOs. They're drones. Oh, I did see something. I think you posted something about the drones

or something, right? I don't think I did. Somebody did. But a lot of people have been, but they're not moving in any extraordinary way. They look like drones. They do, it just looks like a bunch of assholes thinks it's fun to put drones up everywhere.

But now there's all this like weird mythology attached to it where like the governor was saying sometimes as soon as we put eyes on them they take off and But if I was a UFO though, like if I was an alien and I knew that a bunch of people are trying to be smart Asses. Yeah, and they're putting these drones in the sky. I'd be like fun perfect time to visit Oh, yeah, these dipshits won't know the difference. Yeah, you don't have to use my cloaking technology I just fly over their head and they're gonna assume this is more nonsense dude my

one of my buddies he Probably weird even say like he had a friend that sent him a video of some weird stuff going on in the desert whatever and it went through and then he showed it to me and then it just disappeared and He was like the the dude he was talking to said it disappeared, but then like, can you have a file that kind of self-destructs? Cause it disappeared on his phone too.

He's like, how do they take this off? They take this off of my phone. I don't know. I mean- I've never heard of a file. Jamie, have you ever heard of a video file that self-destructs? Or that someone- That's like some

So we could mission impossible. Yeah, so we could chirp into it and like it was wild like he was I mean that like this Recording were destroyed. Yeah 30 seconds. Yeah, that was wow. I mean I wondered though like could they somehow Backtrack it where had been shared. Well, that would be problematic because then they would have access to things on your phone. I think. I doubt that's ever a case. More likely would be they put like a time

that someone could watch the video into the video where it's probably still fixable if someone still has it. Well this dude took the video. And then did it on his phone? And did it on his phone and shared it and then he said one day he just looked into it looked in his phone it was gone he might be retarded well that could be the case but my buddy's like yourself my

phone too it's hard to say it might be real though I've never heard of that happening though which I would assume that I would have heard of something like that especially the amount of people that I talked to that are in the right world. I figured Excuse me a thread on reddit about a glitch in iOS 17 that might have made some people's videos randomly disappear Important ones that they wanted right and then they think it's the UFOs that make this are yeah This doesn't say anything about that. This is just like why is this happening? It's happening anybody else, okay? Google this is it possible to make a

self-destructing video That only has a certain amount of plays in it Well, that'd be cool, right like if maybe you could code it into the video that yeah Once this video plays for you know, whatever 14 minutes, 14 minutes of play, it automatically decodes itself. It randomizes its path, because it's basically just information, right? Right. Information viewed through a codec. Does that have like a cyclical rate,

like this many times? Because I know there's certain things like someone will send you something on Instagram and you can watch the video, but then you can't go back and watch it again Right. Yeah, or they send you a voice message and then it goes away. Yeah. Yeah, that's how Jones likes to roll He sends me voice messages and they go away. That's probably a really good idea for him. Yes Best not to have a paper trail. I don't even know like how much of that Best not to have a paper trail. I don't even know how much of that encrypted messaging stuff

works. I know when Tucker was saying that he was organizing that meeting with Putin in Russia, and that the government called him up because they knew that he was meeting Putin because they had access to his signal. And he was like, what? You have access to it?

I didn't even know someone could get into my signal. I thought that was encrypted. No, no, they can get in there. So it's like how much of this stuff is really How much of it is really encrypted and protected and how much would they even let you know if they can break it? Why would they even tell you well, that's the whole point It's like it's exactly what you would say that you couldn't do it exactly Yeah, that's but that was they they fucking spilled the beans, right? So once they spilled the beans, I know a lot of people including Elon Musk are questioning signal. Sure. So I talked to someone in the government and I said What can you handle signal?

Like how does someone is as long as the state actor knows the phone number was the answer? So all they have to do is know your phone number So if they know your phone number and you have signal game over boys if you're you know I mean, I'm sure it's probably they probably need to ask somebody if they could do it It's probably not something to just know but if an agent is like Bert Soren's acting a little fucking fishy Let's see what he's signaling to his friends Yeah, And and the opportunity to just decide subjectively if that's right. And then whatever you carry in your notes and

whatever is in your folders or your photos, they're going to all kinds of ballistics for sure. They've got all the they're gonna know where my dear stands are and everything. You got dick pics, they got all of it. They have your dick pics of it. They got access to all of it. You got dick pics? They got dick pics. All of it. They have your dick pics. It's like there's no way around that anymore. I think that's a myth.

The idea that somehow or another you could have some sort of a protection from that happening today. Yeah. Are you making phone calls? You are. Okay. Are you on a network? Are you on Wi-Fi?

I think you're fucked. Yeah, you would have to think so Yeah, I mean I think there's enough backdoors and Alleged probable causes or however someone wants to spin it that well That's also how they got Huawei banned from the United States because I remember you know I'm a bit of a phone nerd and Back in the day Huawei had the best phones. Their phones were like way more advanced than some of the American Android phones

that were coming out. Yeah, man, they had incredible cameras and like big battery life and like crazy Zoom possibilities. And I was looking to get this new Huawei phone. And then Huawei got banned from the United States. And I was like, what? Goes back to anything that's banned, man. Makes you really start questioning. It does. But when they kind of all agree, there was very little pushback that there

was real security problems with these phones and not just phones, but network devices, routers, different components that had third party entrants. So they had the capability of accessing information that's being transferred back and forth on a network through these routers. And then I think people are like, hey, why is that in there? And then they realize, oh, the Chinese government is in complete cahoots with Huawei

Like if you own a company like Huawei, you're down with the government. You have to be that's how you stay in business Right, you can't be some rebel out there operating on your own making billions of dollars creating, you know Yeah, well you had Mike been was it Ben's on? Yes a wonderful podcast Crap. Yeah, it's by opening. Yeah it Bent's? That was a wonderful podcast. Holy crap. Eye-opening. Yeah, I spun that past a couple of my buddies. Actually, it was the same buddy that gave me the Yuri Bezminov video that I gave you. Oh, that fucking video has changed my mind.

When you first sent me that, you were the first guy, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, because we played that on this podcast like 30 times. Yeah, we were at your house at dinner at the gym. When you played me that, I was like, holy shit, this is exactly what happened. Yep, I gave it to Jack Carr and Evan Hayford, too. There's no way that was a coin, like he just guessed it. Right.

You're like, I'm gonna put this next baseball into the third aisle up the thing, and crack, wow, that was cool. Fourth seat from the left. Yeah, you're like go back and look. So Buddymine that's in that world, he gave that to me four or five years ago. He told me, he's like this keeps getting deleted

and he kind of gives me the whole briefing on a lot of stuff. It kept getting deleted from there. Yeah, off YouTube he's like they keep taking it down. I think honestly prior to you and Evan and Jack and guys like that, it was not easy to find. I think you guys just changed the algorithm on it enough. Wow.

Which is pretty neat. But that doesn't make any sense because I'm pretty sure we just found it online. We just found it on YouTube. He told me multiple times, he's like, they've taken this down often. Why would someone take it down? I'm not sure. But I know some of my buddies that were in the teams and stuff like that They were like, oh, I remember seeing this back in 95 when I went through buds

When I got out maybe it was green team, but they were in that early early days Oh, I hadn't seen this video forever and that they kind of watched it They're like, oh my gosh, like you're kind of getting all the background that but he was giving me I can't remember I was going with this but he was giving me some insight. Oh about the bends and it was interesting and I said I was like, hey, did you check this out? He's like, yes, he's like sounds like he's read a couple my briefings Interesting like Mike Ben's some weird stuff got crazy recall too. Oh my gosh Yeah, he just no notes just spitting out all that information right off the top of his head. That's you've had some amazingly impactful guests on here.

Like I am not trying to blow you up, but like I'm sure you know the impact that you've had on the world, which is probably really wild. It's pretty weird. Pretty weird, right? Pretty weird that I didn't even try. That's the best part about it, right? That's the weirdest part. It was all an accident. It's like 100%. Like, I just felt like this is what I should do. I should start a podcast and then I should keep doing it. Even when it was totally non-profitable for like five years, I was like, I like doing

it. Let's just keep doing it. That's how all the good stuff works. Yeah. It's like you're passionate about it. I want to go do this thing. You know, Evan and I have talked. He's like, hey, I make brown water.

And I'm like, I make steel rectangles. It's weird. Like, I don't know why we decided to do it. But once you figure out a thing that you're really passionate about, then you'll become successful if you just keep following it. But the thing about the podcast thing was I managed to keep the same spirit of just doing what I enjoy doing. Yes. Like if I could just have conversations with people with no phones and sit,

and especially if I could get a scientist to sit near and explain things to me for three hours, I would have always been interested in doing that. But I just, you can't do that. They won't do it. Right, right. You have to become friends with them and you can only be friends with so many of them, you know, and then you have to fly to them and sit down with them. Yeah, you spend all this time, and then you're like, you created a honey trap here, and then you're like, hey, I'll bring everyone here and talk to them.

Well, as long as you can guarantee other people are going to listen, people want to talk about anything, which is really weird. It's wild. Like, that's the way you can guarantee that you can get them to come, as long as they're going to, other people are going to hear it. Right. So then they can sell books and... Yeah, the whole deal.

Yeah, and it's great. But it's just genius that, I just appreciate the illumination on varied ideas. I love that there's people on the right, people from the left, people like this, hate this. That is so refreshing. It's good for all of us, too. It is.

It's good to hear people even that you don't agree with. Of course. As long as they're nice. That's so refreshing. It's good for all of us. It is it's good to hear people even that you don't agree with As long as they're nice long as that's my course I don't want to argue with anybody and get in fucking screaming matches There's some people that are there like we were talking about earlier that they that's how they get engagement by constantly getting in these Student that's why they have those shows like Pierce Morgan likes to do that Whereas like four people on the show they all yell over each each other and they're all remote so no one's there. It's like, ugh. That sounds horrible.

It's horrible. You don't find out nothing. If you could sit down with someone, even if you disagree with them, and just let them talk, you could have a conversation. You know, find out why they think the way they do. You don't have to fight them on it. Just like ask them, what is it about this thing? Yeah. Candid and curious, right?

Yeah. Candid as in, I'll actually tell you what I think. And curious, I'll actually care what you think. Yeah. And I always try to think the way they think. If someone's talking to me about a certain thing, like I will, you know, people are, oh, you'll agree with anybody. I'm like, I kind of will if I can try to see things through your head and I'll try to steel man it for you. Like if someone is saying something and I go,

okay, so you're saying that, but if it's preposterous, I'll stop it, I'll stop it and go, that doesn't make any sense because of this. Like I can see that you haven't thought this through or you didn't know about that or, you know, how could you say this when this is possible like how do you how do you manage those things people will push back with kind of love right because the disagreement doesn't have to mean dismissal no and and when it does that's the opposite of love and

respect yeah I know I don't like you well that's canceling well especially if people get shouty and arguey. It's like there's a way to do it where you can just talk about stuff and not be dismissive of someone. I mean, I see so many people do it where they have their opinion, like Bill Marlick's do that, dismiss something, someone saying instantaneously as they're in the middle of explaining it.

It's like it's kind of a sparring thing. You're trying to win rather than trying to just have a conversation. Try to see if the other guy flinches. Yeah, you're shutting them down. You're shutting down things you think are, you're calling bullshit. It's also a lack of patience, right? Because sometimes you have to have patience to let someone express themselves fully before you disagree, which is really important.

Because sometimes someone will begin to express themselves and I disagree, but then they'll take it around and give me some nuance and some understanding of how they came to their opinion, then I'll go, okay, okay, so I see how you- At least I see the track. Yeah, and so it's more important for you for this than it is to acknowledge that, and they're like, yes.

I'm like, okay, I understand. So when did you decide that that was one? And then I want to go, I want to know, are you a real thinker or are you a person who has adopted a conglomeration of ideas that comes along with an ideology? So there's really smart people that have done that. And they might not even know they've done that until you corner them.

And then you find like where did it come? Where's the trans kids? There's like occasionally, you know, there's a subject like make sense of this. You make sense of this. Yeah. Follow it up stream by the source and make sense of this. And let's acknowledge what a kid is. You I want I want to know how vulnerable you think children are.

First of all, I want to know, do you have any? Second of all, I want to know how m you have any? Second of all, I want to know how malleable and suggestible, like how open to suggestion are children in your eyes? I want to know how, do you think kids should be able to get tattoos? Do you think kids should be able to get married at five? Do you think kids should, you know what I'm saying? Do you think they should be, what do you think that they can control and not control? Do you even understand children or are you? Sacrificing them and their future these kids that you don't even know for your ideology for your ideological position That's like cult like and then you find out about people that think they're intelligent until they're confronted with these like

insurmountable Ethical dilemmas right a similar one to let's say someone who eats meat but hates hunting. Yeah. You're like you could hate, you could not wanna do it. Yes. But there's still a killing and a murder at some point and you could either be a part of that

or just outsource it. Yeah. And be okay with it. Well it's also, that's a cultural thing too, right? Like there's a lot of people in the UK that don't like hunting. Yeah. And they eat meat. And you know, they'll tell you. Like my wife was having a conversation, Also, that's a cultural thing too, right? Like there's a lot of people in the UK that don't like hunting. And they eat meat.

And they'll tell you, like my wife was having a conversation, she was at a dinner with a bunch of people and I was out hunting and this guy was eating a steak. He's like, that's deplorable. She's like, where do you think that came from? This is so stupid. Like you're literally carving a steak while you're saying it's deplorable

that someone's out hunting. Like we eat those animals. And what is generally, and I've had this conversation a number of times as well, and generally if folks are candid, curious, and respectful, you can kind of bring them around, right? Yes. Have you had someone that really just dug their heels in or like, no? No, never really in person. Right.

Online, they'll dig their heels into the cows come home. But I feel like most people, this is why talking online sucks. Most people are good people, I really believe that. Even if they're like trapped in their bullshit and wrapped up in their own head, then most people want to be. It's given the chance to be good people.

Yeah, and you can kind of help them along. Be a good person. You can kind of help them along. They help each other along. You know, like part of an argument is you. You know, like it's, it's, I know that there's arguments that I've been in in my life that I could have avoided if I was more skillful with conversation. And I know that I have avoided a lot of arguments, especially now as a smarter person than I was when I was younger.

I'm better at it. I'm better at just like not biting on some bullshit, passive aggressive stupid thing that some guy says. When I was young, if someone got passive aggressive with me, I was like, hey, fuck you. Like, let's just go to 10. Where's that going? Let's just go to 10. I don't like how you're talking.

Like, I'm not gonna sit here at this stupid party and pretend you're not a cunt. And you know, this has been many times you know I got dragged out of a situation before that accelerates yeah because I'm like let's just go to ten you're a piece of shit like I know what you are yeah you're just a shitty person like to throw jabs at people when I'm just trying to be nice yeah and you also know in your pocket you know a lot of physical things that could be that helps

It helps that I know that I'm being nice So if I'm nice to you and you're being a cunt to me and I'm trying to be nice to you again You're just thinking that you can just get away with this and that's what I like to go. Hey fuck you I ain't that you see that look in their face like oh no Yeah, oh no. Yeah, you've gone into fuck you land. Yeah Yeah, and no. Yeah, you've gone into fuck you land. Yeah, yeah here. Yeah, and by the way Emotional pain is something that people think they can get a free slap They think they could just get off on you and hit you with emotional pain Like if we're playing this let's hurt each other game. How about I just fuck you up? Yeah, like how about that?

How about I just decide I'll spend the night in jail. Yeah, how about that? How about fuck you? You know, it's like that's what you're doing emotionally. Yes. You're trying to create the abuse of pain. You're you're absolutely being abusive. Yes. And some people make a habit out of like demeaning people to their face and they think they can get away with it.

It's a really shitty practice. I do appreciate the people who physically put it into that. Like, I've never I've never really been like, yeah, you know, I'll do what I need to do. Right. But I've never been like, I don't know, like, like had a couple of days. I'm not proud of cause I kind of went ahead and hit that throttle. Yeah. But in some days, unfortunately you're not in the emotional state. And sometimes it is avoidable and you don't avoid. Yeah. That's the thing. and sometimes it is avoidable and you don't avoid. Yeah, that's the thing Yeah, sometimes it is avoidable. I'm so much better. Yeah

25 I had no I didn't understand that you don't have to do this. Yeah, I've expressed my emotional immaturity Yeah times I'm like, yeah, I could really taken that one a different way and you're thankful You're like man. I'm glad that one really didn't go sideways, because that could have. It's also like it could go terrible, and someone would get murdered. I mean, things happen, and you can't believe what they did. And then all of a sudden, someone's dead. That happens every day in America.

Oh, I've had a couple close ones that you just kind of, everyone walks away, and it's like, whoo. Because you get like, it's like, what was that movie? Like Sherlock Holmes. Remember when you could see the situations and he like pauses it and you could see like, and when he like pauses and you're like, this would happen, this would happen, this would happen.

And then you're like, oh, there's a dead guy. You back it up and you're like, glad that didn't happen. Okay, bye, I'm gone. Bye, just walk away. It's like, you have to learn that. And the problem with young guys is, first of all, their brain's not fully formed,

they're impulsive, they do wild things, and then if they feel like they're being slighted, they feel like to be a man, because they wanna be a man, you have to do something about it. Well, it's the number one question every man has. Every man has the same question. Am I good enough?

That's the wounding, right? And every woman goes, her question is, do you see me? It's exactly it. Do you see me? And a man says, am I good enough? That's why there's sport. That's why there's fighting. That's why people try to make money.

That's why they try to flex on each other. It's the little boy inside all of us going, am I good enough? Yeah. And then there's the people that get past that, and then it becomes this ultimate challenge. The ultimate challenge of life is the most difficult puzzle to solve. Yes. And you can solve it above and beyond all these other psychopaths. So you're competing with all these other people that are very much like you, but what separates

you from them is the work that you put in, discipline, drive, mindset, whatever it is that you can find that gives you that edge to pull ahead from all these other people that are very, very competitive as well, doing the same thing. And then with men, they feed off each other in those environments. Like a West Side Barbell, a Kronk Gym. Yeah, and then when you're wondering that,

and then when someone questions it, and publicly questions it in front of your boys or in front of whatever, it's like, no, I'll show you I'm good enough. I'll do something stupid right now and end up in jail. Especially someone who's just a walking dead man with a mouth. Like someone who knows they can't defend themselves,

and so they just feel comfortable doing that publicly because they think they're being protected by society. That's the worst when they think, yeah, this actual false state of security. You're like, man, if we're in the jungle right now, you wouldn't be doing that. Or when women think they can do it, when women get mouthy with men, like, don't do that.

Why? When I was, I think I was 16 or 17 years old, I was in high school and there was this kid that moved into the neighborhood. He came from Iran and his family had a lot of money. And so they had this, I think it was in Beacon Hill, I forget where it was, but it was a really nice neighborhood. He came from Iran and his family had a lot of money and so they had this big, I think it was in Beacon Hill, I forget where it was, but it was a really nice neighborhood. And this kid had this giant fucking house on this huge lawn so he decided to have a party. Of course. So this is how he's gonna

make friends, he just moved here from another country, right? Right. So he has a party and kids from every fucking high school came to this party. And I was at the party with a bunch of my friends and I was walking up the staircase. I'll never forget this. So I'm walking up the staircase and then, you know, so it's like right here in front of me while this is going down. I can't remember what the girl did. She either slapped this guy or she threw a drink in his face. I can't remember which one it was.

Some offense. But I remember he uncorked a right hand like Roberto Duran. This dude threw a right hand like he knew how to punch. Because I knew how to punch so I watched him like, oh, good mechanics. Yeah, right, right. Really unloaded. This dude just went like this, just blap! Just hit her on the chin. Her head snaps back, a guy catches her, she goes out and then it's

bedlam. It's bedlam. I mean, people are fighting left and right, there's people fighting in the stairwell. I had to run out, there's piles of guys out on the lawn. It spread like a disease. It was like within 30 seconds. How did you decide to hit this guy because of that? It was screaming and then screaming, started people screaming at the people screaming,

which people were fighting the people that were screaming. It was the wildest thing. It was like a disease ran through the house like World War Z where everybody's like, ah! And I managed to not have any fights. A couple of my friends got in fights like one of the better fighters I was never interested in street fighting. I'm like, let me get out of here. I know what this is. Sure I understand danger. Yeah, I got out there and but I'll never forget that that girl thought she could hit that guy or do Whatever she did. I forget what she thought I wish I could remember quality kind of all I remember because it's like 30 How many years ago was that 40 years ago? That's a while ago. Oh my god. It's 40 years ago Yeah, so it was like this blap

I mean just fucking I'll never forget that man horrible to laugh at it because she forgot a lot of things that night She definitely might be listening to podcast grade. Yeah, she's probably like that's me Like she for sure got a broken face. I mean, he hit her so hard. And her head snapped back. Just snap like she had no idea she was gonna get punched by a big guy who knew how to punch. He was like, Hey, fuck you. Like, just got the wrong guy with like, three millers in him. And he just the first time that guy, probably not the first guy he hit a chick.

Yeah. Because the way he did it was like, he didn't slap her. You know, he didn't slap her. That's a scary one. He could have just slapped her or pushed her or something. You didn't have to KO her. But there's women that think that they can just go up to a guy and yell because they're protected by society.

There's fucking psychos out there. It just goes back to be nice. Yes. Be nice man. Be nice. But there's like, you motherfucker, I'll fucking kill you. Like, hey, hey, hey, hey. Yeah. Hey. I've been backed up a couple of times with the bap bap bumps on the chest. And it's like, all right, all right, all right. Then you're like backed against a car,

like at a tailgate or something. You're like. Yeah. And when you say, don't touch me. Yeah. And it gets, it gets hot. Backed against a car like at a tailgate or something. You're like Yeah And when you say don't touch me, yeah It gets it gets hot and then it's like they might just touch you because you said don't touch me and like I'm telling you Don't touch me and then you have to touch them and then oh you're assaulting me like no, no No, you're still talking. So I haven't assaulted you like if I assaulted you this would be over super quick, right? So let's not do that. Yep.

That happened to me in DC. I was walking with my wife. And it's during when everything was popping off. Big, big time. Big, big time. People got real mouthy. Real, real. And we're walking through it.

And of course, truth be told, I'm walking through. My wife looks like a Viking also, and we're walking through DC during the height of everything. Height of everything. No mask, because I'm outside, and I'm a sovereign individual, and screw that. And a whole chattering group of a certain population of, you know, well, Santa Fe.

And so they're rah, rah, rah. And I was like, and I just said, I'm not gonna stop walking, please move out of my way. Rah rah, you know, F you, F this, F that, and just. Meanwhile, you did nothing. I literally was walking across, and they were 40 yards from me, and ran across the street to come yell at me,

like a bark, they ever seen like a bear, or a wild boar gets like, bathed by dogs, and they're all like, rauh rauh rauh. Yeah. And we're just we're just walking and it's like okay, please and we're trying to get to my hotel And there's a cop because they boarded everything off because everything was crazy it was like the four big groups were all doing the deal that weekend and I was like my hotels right there. Sorry. I said sir Do you think I really want to deal with this? Like like in there everyone has their cameras out cuz they're're like, big guy's going to smoke somebody, right?

And there's a whole deal. And then finally, one actually, one of them was chirping at me. She fell down and tripped over something. And I helped her up, because that's what you do. And then, get your hands off. OK, man, can I please get to my house? Like, this is a thing. And then they played music all night till 7 in the morning right outside of our hotel just to make sure that no one slept

It was a wonderful time fun time. It was a great time whatever happened to law and order Why do people think that was a good thing? There were so many goofy motherfuckers that didn't want people mad at them, so they started yelling out defund the police They started getting on board with it even Kamala Harris posted defund the police like I mean defund the police, they started getting on board with it. Even Kamala Harris posted defund the police, like I mean defund the police on Twitter. Yeah, like when is it a good idea ever to like kind of cancel anyway? Like there's like, besides like someone that hurts children,

like after that kind of do what you want to do, right? Well, that's not even a canceling thing. That was just people had decided that there was an enemy out there. I say this that like protests are too much like war. You're on the ground and you're marching around with a bunch of people yelling, you all have a cause, and you're all moving as one group. It's too much like war. I think there's some triggers. That's why mob mentality exists, because you've got to be able to kill people if some shit's going

down if you're at war. Because what escalates. Right. There's a mode that people snap into. It's called mob mentality. Why does it exist? It exists because at certain points in history, we have gone to war with other groups of people on the ground. And I think that's built into your psyche.

And I think it's just like catching a fish. You know how you catch a fish? Like if no one's ever caught a fish before, you catch it like, oh, you get so excited. I think it's because your brain is hardwired to know that that fish is gonna feed you yes That's why it's exciting and you're hardwired to know that if you're yelling and you meet an opposing group Those are the bad people and you're going looking for people that are opposing groups because you got power. There's a bunch of Yeah, yeah, you're rolling. Do you please you're rolling?

And you find that fucking white guy with the beard and you're like he's the enemy It was wild. It was wild, but it was like an open door to this psyche That has always existed that mob mentality has always been a thing and if you open that door And you allow it to stay open and you don't do something to close it with law and order you have fucking madness You have madness. And we had that. We had that on the streets. In certain places in this country,

for months at a time, it was fucking chaotic. Bonkers, yeah. It was actually pretty cool in my, and I'm gonna say none of that world was cool, but during my town, they started burning stuff and everything like that. And my sheriff, he's a friend of mine, he's like, yeah, we shut that down fast.

I was like, what happened? He's like, someone threw a brick, I got center mass with a bean bag. Period, first time. And I go, how long did that take? He goes, we haven't had a problem since. I was like, perfect. He's like, you know.

And that's kind, it's being kind. Yeah, exactly. Being back is being kind. Yeah, a severe punishment really fast generally trains people pretty quickly. And then it's like, all right, our town went back to being cool, everyone's fine. Yeah, there's no reason for it.

And it's crazy how quickly it all boiled over. And it was all these events happening together at the same time, right? The COVID, the lockdowns, the anger, everybody got real weird because everyone was just locked in their home for months at a time. And then the George Floyd thing and the public outrage and the people were on the street

and then people were encouraging it and funding it. There was people that was, there was certain groups that were encouraging it, organizing it and funding it. And they got money from people to do it. And they had pallets of bricks that were conveniently located on the street. All that stuff's real. Oh yeah, yeah, no, we saw it.

It was it was Remarkable to see it in real time. That's why it's crazy having a guy like Mike Benz lay out How it all is going down and you think oh, it's all organic people are fed up. Uh-uh. No No, there's a bunch of people that are profiting off of this. Yes, they want this to take place They want to be able to push new laws through they want to be able to grip tighter Yeah, tighter control on censorship tighter get these social media companies have to pay they're responsible for this No, no, no, you fucking funded it. You fucking funded it with tax money. That was fault filtered through NGOs You cock suckers you guys are a part of this. You want this to happen, right?

That's where you everyone just like, everyone just pause. Just like pump the brakes. If it feels like, what was that song by Iron Maiden? I can't remember. But it speeds up at the end. That's what it felt like the last four years, especially during 2020. I was like, no, this is the end of like Paranoid or whatever it was. And it just sped up and you're like, oh, is this how the end of the story goes? Like as in humanity?

It could be. Yeah. I think we got a taste of what's possible, but I also think, I think it was horrible. Anybody who lost someone, anybody where it all went down, I think it was horrible, don't get me wrong. But I also think we're lucky. Yes.

Because we got to see it. It's horrible if you lost your business. It's horrible if you got forced to get vaccinated. It's horrible. All those things are horrible. But we got to see how many people are fucking cowards. We got to see how many people fold as soon as there are any sort of external pressure

from either their surroundings or how many people got forced into it by their job. We got to see that. And we got to see how there are unscrupulous groups in power that will coerce people to do things that are not scientific. They're not ethical. They're not moral if they can profit off of it. And we got to see that that they will use you as a human fucking ATM machine and they will,

they will figure out a way to maximize their profits and maximize their control. So now we know, so now we know. So now you can't think that the world is some sort of 1950s movie where the good guys wear the white hats and the bad guys wear the black hats. You gotta realize, there's a lot of human interest shit going on and humans have a certain interest in getting control over money and over people and they do it whenever they can

And if they can do it through the guise of being progressive and kind or if they can do it through the guise of you know Whatever pull yourself up by your bootstraps like whatever it is. Yep, they find a way to Rationalize these very specific patterns of behavior that the founding fathers of this country fought against when they created the Bill of Rights and they created the Constitution. They did all that knowing that these human nature, these human instincts exist. Yeah, it'll keep flowcharting back down to this eventually.

And it's like, hold on, people are people and people are gonna do people stuff. And every time they pass something like the Patriot Act or the Patriot Act Do they just chip away at that they're chipping away at that and it's their job to do that in their mind, right? It's it shouldn't be because there's not enough oversight of them. That's the problem It's like right. This is the whole concept of the deep state Which was always like such a stupid conspiracy theory for the longest time people Oh, you worried about the deep state until you are until you like it's real oh my god how did that kid get

on that roof how did how did he walk around with a fucking rangefinder like we were talking about before rangefinders yeah that's what he had that's why you use those folks for shooting people he's not golfing the whole thing was nuts the whole thing was nuts And we were all just sitting there going oh the deep states real like oh someone someone Did something here? How did his apartment get professionally scrubbed is there are there a team of people that are actually? Organizing something like this has this happened before why won't they release the Kennedy files he died How many fucking years ago 1963 yeah, how why don't that's? 61 years ago, how about you release that yeah, maybe like or

Hey, how about you guys release that yeah, or there's maybe a reason yeah Do you think that's not good? I mean do you think 61 years is not a lot of time though That's a good point like maybe maybe we should wait another 60. Wait a second. Makes sense, right? People aren't ready yet. They're not ready yet. I've thought about that a lot.

I wanna know, right? I wanna see behind all the scenes. I wanna see the Epstein's, the Diddy's, the, you know. Cash Patel says first day, day one. Let's go. That's what he says. Let's see it. If they get him in there. What a stud, right? Oh man, that's's what if you are what he said, you know, he said he wanted to do

He would close Langley and make it a museum of the deep state This is the first thing he said he would do and then just reorganize everything and say now go back to chasing criminals Yeah, and stop attacking the fucking citizens Stop spying on people you fucking weirdos I'm so pumped about him and Tulsi and like there's just such an awesome group of people that are just certainly interesting I mean, it's I'm even excited about the way Trump is doing interviews now, like he's doing it It's like he's become like a wiser person in interviews Like he does interview with this lady from,

I think it was NBC, the recent one that he did was over an hour, but even the way he was talking to her, she was saying things, he's like, you know, you would be so much better if you weren't so biased. So he said to her, it was like a kind way of saying it to her. Do you think he always had that and he's just so intelligent and he's playing different cards at different times? I think he's realizing that part of the problem is not just the resistance that he faced,

but his reaction to the resistance. And he still slips. Sometimes like he tweets out, I hate Taylor Swift. Oh my gosh. Which I thought was hilarious. I couldn't stop laughing when I saw that. I just love irrational tweeters. Right, right.

I mean, at what point does like the incoming president gonna just dunk on somebody? Well, he wasn't winning yet. I think he was freaking out, you know? I honestly think he was freaking out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they were doing a Psi-Op and they were all of a sudden making it seem like Kamara Harris was the dream that we'd always been looking for. And they were tricking people who recognized that she was an unpopular vice president just three weeks ago. And everybody was all of a sudden on board. Trevor Burrus Yeah, that one spun around fast. David Erickson Jesus, it was wild to watch. But that was another thing, like, if you can

learn from it, look, we got through it, it didn't work. But you should learn that the government will organize to do that to protect their position of power. Because here's what's up. The people that are in power, and we're not even saying they're evil, I'm not saying anything bad about them, but the people in the administration that's there currently, they're all gonna lose their jobs, okay? Or they keep their jobs. So if they can keep their jobs, what is, what's the way we keep our job? The way we keep our job is we present her as the best option possible. Even if they don't think that's true, they have a vested interest. You're talking about thousands of people that are in control of these very organizations

that were going after social media and were getting them to take down factual information because it was dangerous to their narrative. So they have already shown that they don't have ethics. They have already shown that they don't give a fuck about freedom of speech and the First Amendment. What they want is to keep their fucking job and keep power and also not get in trouble for some of the shit they did that was maybe illegal.

Which we wouldn't even have known about if Elon didn't buy Twitter. Yeah, I mean, I agree. I think the Elon buy on Twitter was like that. It's a game changer. A game changer. The fork in the road for civilization Yeah, it's wild to think is Marc Andreessen. They said there's two forks in the road

There's one Elon buys Twitter and to Trump turns his head and doesn't get shot Those are the two. Yeah, those if those two things don't happen Who fucking knows where we are? I don't disagree and you look at those both scenarios are both where we are. I don't disagree. And you look at those both scenarios are both like one in a million. Like, how would a the Trump like Trump turns his head like that's wild. But then like how would a guy like Elon exist, first of all, in our lifetime? Right? What are the odds? What are the odds? Right? That has the vehicle of Twitter or you know, and all the things line up, not just the vehicle it has so much fuck you money Right, he's willing to blow 44 billion dollars on something that's worth 200 billion maybe

Or rather 20 billion maybe so one of the things that like this is narrative like he's such a bad businessman Twitter is worth 20 billion dollars less than when he purchased it. No, no, no. No, it's never worked that much He overpaid for it, right? He over know what on purpose. Yeah knowingly. Yeah knowingly He just wanted he wanted to take control of this fucking thing that is always been so important to us, which is the First Amendment Yes, express. Here's my favorite people keep saying I keep seeing this where people that go over to blue sky. They keep saying People keep saying, I keep seeing this, where people that go over to Blue Sky, they keep saying, what Elon's done is highlight right-wing voices and accentuate right-wing, and Twitter is overrun by right-wing now. No, no, no, no. This is actually representative of the real country, which is 50-50. This is what you never had before, because conservative voices were always censored.

So now conservative voices and progressive voices coexist and the progressive voices who are the babies don't like it because now they have people that think completely different than them and they don't they can't stop them. They're used to silence them. You used to not be able to say anything about certain things. You would get kicked off and now you could fully express yourself sure and you're finding out there's people you agree with there's people you disagree with that is the world the world is not some fucked up echo chamber where if you say you know

to a man is never a woman you get banned for life that happened to my friend Megan Murphy she got banned for life because she said, a man is never a woman, which is biologically true. But they were like, no, that's transphobic. For life. For life. For life, forever. Bye.

So they don't want any narrative contrary to what they have accepted as doctrine. And that's what's so fucked up. Remaining dogmatic in the face of alternate information and pushed Pushed by the government. This is what's really important And again, that's where you kind of look back and go if something is being pushed by anyone, right? Follow the money follow the track like why so they're doing it under the guise of being progressive

So this is why they think it's worth doing They it's like if you can allow the government to censor you under the guise of Them being on the good side Then then you're lost because then you've bought into this nonsense And you have if you just looked at it objectively you have people that are still supporting the military industrial complex still supporting Overthrowing democratically elected governments and other countries. It's still the same shit that you hated about the right and that same government, you've let them into your home and you let them control this most important platform of free speech in the world because you think they're doing it for your side, which is a good thing.

Meanwhile, they're drone bombing people in Yemen. They don't give a fuck about you. This is so stupid They're just trying to stay in power and they knew that they were gonna lose power if that hunter Biden laptop got out Yeah, like we're fucked this could cost us 10 million votes and the wild part is I guess because it's after the fact But it doesn't seem like that whole thing really really changed the scoreboard and maybe I could be wrong or buying laptop I mean, I think it did I think it did I Don't think enough people were talking about it

They didn't know if they weren't if they will first of all, where do people find out things? Most people are not finding out things through the newspaper No, they're finding out things through social means if you can block it on social media. They don't find out about it Of course, there's so many things I talked to people about that's like kind of in our world Like just everyone knows this stuff and I'll talk to people about that's like kind of in our world, like just everyone knows this stuff. And I'll talk to people just on the street, whatever, they have no idea. Yeah, most people don't have any idea.

And that's where I started going, oh, there's different narratives being spun to different algorithmic groups because we're all in the Truman Show, our own little Truman Show. 100%. And we all think that we know what's going on. And I'm like, hey guys, we all have our different scoreboard somehow that's been put up so

like let's just question the scoreboard for a minute and learn how to communicate with people you disagree with and this is the problem with these people that wanted all the right-wing voices banned from Twitter like hey guys that's bad for you it's bad for you yes and it's bad for your your own objectivity your own understanding of the world and you need Yes. And it's bad for your own objectivity, your own understanding of the world. And you need to, even if someone's wildly incorrect, if they're wildly wrong, you need to be able to know that people do think that way.

It's good for you. Yeah, make a good point. And like, let's listen. Yeah. And I enjoy talking to people from all over, and much like yourself. And I've stupidly got into some DMs with like like people just like hit me up and they're like hey then I'll just like no I'll ride the ride yeah and I'll ask questions and this and

that the other but it was very illuminating like oh wow you're looking at a totally different scoreboard a totally different game clock a whole different thing and it it makes me at least question myself and go well maybe I'm watching I'm the crazy one maybe I'm no they're just a Cowboys fan they're a Cowboys fan the Cowboys can do no wrong and you're like fuck you I like the writers like whatever it is show you guys that's what it is it's teams for people don't believe in sports and that's politics for a lot of those fuckers a lot of those fuckers are not into sports and they see competition I've always been super reluctant to the whole team thing in the first place because

When I stopped playing baseball and I started fighting one of the reasons why I did it was like I didn't like that little Billy Can drop the ball and I'm a fucking loser. I get it. I didn't like that. I get it I like to rely on myself like I never played a team sport. The most relying on myself, to me, was fighting. I was like, we're the same weight? There's no trickery. You're a three, two, one, go. You're like, are you ready? Are you ready?

Go. It was so simple to me. This is what I'm looking for. This is competition that makes sense to me. And this idea of joining a group of people and all of their opinions I I have to agree with like That's horrendous like that like what are the odds? They're gonna be right What are they are even in fighting so many people are so wrong and their ideas?

Like there's guys in the gym that I'll hear them giving advice like you don't need submissions You want to learn submission defense like what are you talking about? Don't tell him that like you should shut the fuck up. Like and this guy's a trained fighter in a gym. He's telling people you just need submission defense. Like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You need to learn how to do it so you can even defend it correctly. Just even know what's out there.

That's like listening to the other side. It's like hey, tell me why you believe X, Y, and Z that I think is absurd, but yeah, give me, oh wow. Okay, well now I realize you're crazy, but at least I know. It's also like, who are you training with where you don't think that works? No, why don't you go train with Fabrice over Doom

and then tell me you should learn your guard. You don't know what you're talking about. You're talking nonsense. You're saying something from this very narrow minded perspective, like you can only learn so many skills like no You could you should learn the whole thing right and if you can't learn the whole thing you're in the wrong game Because these kids that are coming up guarantee you that I watch some of these kids that are coming up in the amateur ranks And they're kids that are fighting in the UK

And they're gonna make their way in the UFC these motherfuckers are complete and they're like 18 Some of these kids that are fighting in one FC. They're like 17 18 years complete and they're like 18 some of these kids that are fighting in one FC they're like 17 18 years old and they're complete they can do everything like you better learn how to do everything yeah you're gonna meet that guy yeah that guy's out there and otherwise you're in the wrong game and if you're giving advice saying you don't need to learn that like oh well that's a good like if you're ever given advice if someone doesn't need to expand their horizons like that's just wrong Right, but imagine that guy's your coach and imagine you have a team and everyone the team has to believe that submissions. That's just be

Building a narrative right and then you get trapped with all these meatheads that things just all about ground and pound and then you get Triangled every weekend. You're like, I'm tired of getting triangles. Yeah. Well, it's the same Tribalism and strength conditioning to you either You either get guys who are like, oh, all the power lifting moves, that's all you got to do. Bench squat, bench squat, that lift. And it's like, oh, the other guys are Olympic lift. You got to snatch, clean, and jerk, and everything else is stupid.

You're like, OK, guys. And I used to joke. I was like, I can look at your shoes, and I could tell you what tribe you're in and what music you probably listen to. What are the shoes that you look at? Converse All-stars? A lot of guys lift with those because they'll be west. I got a hard core dude. It's a hard core dude

He's gonna run all so he's gonna work run call converse. He's gonna box squat He's gonna sumo dead. Why doesn't converse make an all-star with a wider toe box? You because I try to lift in converse my these are stupid. They're hard. They're hard to do a wide toe box Yeah, I think I'll Vivo barefoot. Yeah, but converse are good because they're flat. There's not a lot of, there's no cushion there. Well, it depends on what you're doing, right? If you're like more of a, you know, wide stance sumo or box squat, because your feet, your heels aren't elevated, it's actually a better situation for squatting. Right. Well, if you're an Olympic lifter, you're going to be closer, so you want to, a heel is elevated with a flexible toe. And that's why you look and

you're like, Oh, okay, this is what you're doing. And then I kind of laugh like the guys with the cross trainers are usually just dudes that do a whole bunch of crap. And they're doing pliers and dancing around and whatever. But there's always like these little tribal things. Like, if you're this person, you're wearing chucks and you're listening to Pantera. Yeah, like it's just part of the gig. It's always funny. It's like, all right.

Some people think you have to lift heavy. If you don't lift heavy, you're a pussy. Oh, or you have to listen to music at like 8,000 decibels to lift heavy. Yeah, and slap your fucking thighs and scream. I've danced that dance before. Throw the powder out of your hands. Oh, I've done the soul.

I've done the smelling salt. Of course. Oh, we do smelling salts in here. Let's go. Yeah, let's salts in here. Let's go. Yeah, let's roll. Gosh, let's go. Oh. Is it a good one, huh, Ralph?

It's probably better than what I had back in the day. It's a good one and it's not even that fresh. Yeah, it's not even fresh. That's worse. That's juju moofoos. Yeah. Yeah. We are an unlicensed

Promoter of this brand yeah, I know yeah, we used to do the little capsules and break them and that's a whole different animal Yeah, that's it's real. Yeah, whole jar of it Yeah, it's potent the fumes that come out are so strong when you have a sealed bag You could smell on the outside of the bag then when you open the bag you got a sealed bottle just my ears are bleeding just the smell from the opening the bag is rough yeah no I just what does it do does that really help you have you ever tried to lift before that and then add it just snaps the central nervous system kind of like you know when you're passed out right does it make you a little stronger you think more mad more mad more mad I. Mad's good. Mad's good. On big gross motor movements, squats, deadlifts, I used to call like, deadlifts are just how

mad you are. They used to have the Strongest Man competitions all the time on ESPN. Yeah. Those dudes were like holding onto cars. Oh, those are the best. On the ramps. Oh, so cool. Across.

Yeah, the big stones and Atlas stones. Oh, yeah. So great. It was fun. Yeah, I watched them all the time in the 90s. And then actually, my dad was in 1980 at the Playboy Club. He was with Bill Casmeyer when he did the Silver Dollar deadlift. What's the Silver Dollar deadlift?

He had like 900-something pounds of these clear boxes. And they were filled with silver dollars. Oh, wow. And it was super cool. And so there's like an iconic lift. And Pops was hanging out with those cats. But it's funny And so there's like an iconic lift and, you know, pops was like hanging out with those cats. And it was funny because there's like a whole picture of him and pretty sure. I mean, he was obviously training that I think he's partying

pretty hard to straight off of a, of a ripper. And, uh, and I was like, man, the eighties were awesome. It looked like, he looked like Magnum PI. It was awesome. Yeah. They were just learning things. Oh man. The pioneer days basically. Geez, it was so cool. You always knew that if you're watching The Strongest Man, if the dude's name was Magnus, he was going to fuck things up. Yeah, yeah.

He was always some Magnus character. These are for Magnuson, a Samuelson, if there's some sons involved. You know, one of those guys is fighting MMAs, but fighting at Marius Puginowski. Oh, I remember Marius. Yeah. He went from being a strong man to being like a really good MMA fighter I could see that in the beginning. He was getting fucked up, but he tried to dive in right away. He tried to fight God he fought some good fighters like right away

When Marius was the height because we used to do a lot of a lot with the Arnold Strongman classic Sylvia, that's oh my gosh, did he He fought Tim Sylvia like really early on like when Tim yeah So he fought Tim Sylvia in his third profile and he got the fuck beat none of them. Yeah, like that was just But I never thought butter bean he beat butter bean he lost to James Thompson, and he beat James Thompson Oh, well no contest it says Yeah, I thought Bob sat thousand Bob sap was like taking Thompson, oh well no contest it says. Yeah. What a stud. Fought Bob Sapp, thousand Bob Sapp was like

taking some kind of dives. My buddy used to train with Bob. Holes Gracie beat Holes Gracie, yeah he knocked Holes Gracie out. Yeah so he's kind of like a bunch of like legit MMA fights. Yeah Pujanowski was like one of the first guys I ever saw that was that big that had like vascular lats So we were in the backstage and it was kind of weird cuz like he was

Considerably bigger than year than before and I think even taller too. I was like this That's why I was questioning Him being taller that's amazing taller I don't remember him being taller than that. That's amazing. Oh boy, got taller. Look at the size of that motherfucker. Yeah, he was backstage and everyone was like big, big, but it was like Marius is in a whole different category. Oh, he's a tank.

See if you can find him now though. He's slimmed down considerably. He still looks fucking huge. But as an MMA fighter now, he's, yeah, see there, see, click on that picture. No, the other one. He's still terrifying. Go, what above it above it right above it yeah but oh what year is that oh because it's blurry does it say that it's okay see if you can find some footage of him actually fighting maybe there's some I'm sure he's got some high

there he is right there so he's on his knees. Oh, here we go He's still stiff, but he's got good technique and he's got a lot of power man Yeah, look at the muscles on the back of his neck. He looks like when those bucks during the rut. Yeah Yeah, but at least like he's he's throwing correctly hands up high and this is all technical work here Well, I Brian Shaw has been doing a little bit of sparring with Derek Wolf. Oh, Jesus. How terrible is that? What does he weigh? 390?

I don't know. I mean, I know he was up to 440 something. At one point, my dad is actually who got him in a strongman. He came by our booth at 18 years old and my dad was like, hey, you're really strong. You should like get into this. Yeah, he should be on another planet. You're too big for this planet. Yeah, he was probably 240 that makes me believe in the oninaki Right, you know right there's actually Giants that are that like we're what happened 100% How'd you get so big?

Remember cleaved Dean you ever remember that guy? No, so he was a old they call him like a pig farmer He was the one the one the original World's Strongest Man, but he was an arm wrestling champion. And he was like all those old like weird, it was like 440 pound like just giant farmer. Yeah, there he goes. Yeah, that cat. Oh, why is that poor little fellow arm wrestling? I mean, look how big that human is. Jesus Christ. Look at his hand. Oh my God. Look at that photo, that's Big Daddy Goodridge. It was MMA fighter. Look at that, the hand holding the table in the front. Look at the size of that fucking thing.

Wild, right? Yeah, if you could teach that guy to throw a jab, he'd fuck a lot of people up. I would like to see a fight between him and Andre the Giant. Oh God. That'd been awesome. Definitely wouldn't be long. Right, right.

Did you ever meet Andre? No, I did not. That'd been cool. Yeah, I would've liked to have met him. I met Hulk Hogan twice. Did you? I met him once when he was super tall. And then, well, I met him multiple times.

But I met him once when he was super tall. And then now he's just like regular big. Really? Yeah, because he's lost like five or six inches of height for his back. Oh, he's just getting compressed? really yeah, because he's lost like five or six inches of height for his back Oh, just get compressed back is all like fused his whole back is fused He's so fucked how many surgeries did he say yeah, Jamie some crazy amount of backs really yeah His whole back is fucked like he walked through the cane

It's rough Five in the last ten years 25 back surgery so you just lost all this he has had knees hips shoulders face oh you've I'm sure you've met Stallone before right yeah yeah have y'all just talked like random old weird stuff like no I didn't get a chance to talk to him very much I interviewed him once for I think it was Spike TV when I was doing the UFC thing I interviewed him it was fun he is why he's very similar to you and then so like while like remembers everything from like those eras of stuff and you know Gunnar

Peterson so I was at Gunners gym in LA and Stallone was in there I was like badass I'm freaking Stallone like I'm a kid of the 80s and I was at Gunners Gym in LA and Stallone was in there. I was like, oh, that's a badass. Freaking Stallone. Like, I'm a kid of the 80s. And I was like, hey, you know, would you mind? He sat down with me for 45 minutes. Oh, wow. And we just talked like, but he mentioned Cleve Dean. Like, he remembered like all the arm wrestlers, the boxers, like, historian of the human performance world. It was like, oh, this is so cool. I figured you guys had to like have nerded out about it. Did you have you ever paid attention to the old catch wrestling guys? No, what's that? Okay. Catch wrestling was catch as catch can, which is what they

used to call it. I think when it was the one they were in England, and then when they came over to America, it was called cat late. What it was, was basically basically wrestling with submissions and there were certain rules Like you could pin a guy or you could submit them and they can tap And there was a few guys that were legendary for their strength and conditioning routines. No way. Yeah yeah, Josh Barnett learned under Carl Gotch and Gotch was like famous for having like this under Carl Gotch and Gotch was like famous for having like this unbelievable gauntlet of strength and conditioning work that you had to be able to get through before he would even train you.

Really? Yeah. Like he went over to Japan and Gotch trained a lot of guys like there's a lot of like wrestling influence. Well when you go back to the early days of catchers and I go back go farmer burns because farmer burns was like one of the, what is this, what am I watching here? What is catch as catch can?

So these guys, they would have these. Was that George Hackenschmidt? Is that what it was? Yeah, back up for a second. So yeah, Hackenschmidt. Yeah, so. So he's like one of the fathers of strength and conditioning. Makes sense, because a lot of these.

Hack squad. Carl Gotch and Hackenschmith were duking it out at Comiskey Park and they would have wrestling matches but they were real matches. Wow. And then somewhere along the line they started doing carnival matches and then these carnival matches they had you know regular people that they would find and they would like have predetermined outcomes. Then it became pro wrestling and that's where pro wrestling was given birth to. It was out of this necessity to kind of rig the matches.

Right, you're getting the wahoo chop. See, these are kind of enthusiasts that are doing it now, like in a modern setting. But the guys who really know the stuff, like Josh Barnett has tapped out some legit Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belts in competition with catch wrestling techniques. It's like Kamuras, Americanas. They call that a double wrist lock though. They have like different terminology for some of the same moves, but

Farmer Burns was this guy that was, he was so legendary with his strength and conditioning that he would hang from a tree. He would literally like hang himself. Like his neck, his neck was so built up and he was a small guy, he was like 160 pounds, but he was so jacked and he literally had like a pit bull neck. There's photos of him where he would do this stunt, where he would hang by the neck in front of crowds. Right. Look at him. That's him. Oh wow.

Okay. That's Farmer Burns. Farmer Burns. Okay. Probably very similar to the mighty Adam if you've ever heard of him. But you know how fucking strong your neck has to be to and not just hang sometimes. Hang like all the time. Look at his neck.

That's amazing. Look at his fucking neck. But he knew that you know if your neck is weak, your body's weak. Your core is weak. If someone collar ties you and you got a neck like that, you can resist it. And you could work your shit. Yeah. Anything that hangs out of your t-shirt, you better train.

There was a bunch of those guys, um, back in those days that just had these incredible strength and conditioning programs and they used a lot of things like steel maces, like Carl Gotch was was see if you can find Carl gotch strength and conditioning routine Because even like as an older man when he was teaching people stuff He would show how he maneuvered these, you know, these big fucking yeah It's like super impressive stuff. Yeah, just but it's maneuvering something Yeah, I'm listening it All that functional strength stuff. He would have those guys do 500 bodyweight squats

every day, every day. Oh, that's cool. So here's him back then. Oh, gosh. And a lot of it was like Hindu pushups. Yeah. Look how flexible he was. For a big fucking giant dude.

Yeah. Like super flexible. So they realized that, you know, like we're talking about technique is very important, but also strength. Yeah. Look at the size of his fucking thighs, dude. Look at the neck. Yeah. And so he'd make these guys do these crazy wrestlers bridges and look at how you could do that. Like support yourself and pull yourself back up like that. So they kind of like resist against necks. Yeah. So these guys would have these unbelievably grueling physical sessions and then they do their technique.

Wow. So they would attempt to, I guess, be a pre-fatigue and so you'd like to do it? Well, also you just had to be in phenomenal shape because in wrestling, you know, that's the first thing that goes is you must have Ridiculous conditioning to be an elite wrestler. Look at the size of his fucking legs, dude So Carl gotch was just like super famous for this. He's in Japan here teaching these guys Wow, and obviously this is black and white. It's just a long time ago Yeah, have you ever seen the um, it's who is he training here does it say who he's working with? Enoki. That's Enoki oh wow of course Enoki who fought Muhammad Ali. Oh okay right. You ever see that fight? No. Oh my god it was like some crazy scam fight where Enoki just.

He's standing on his face. Dropped to his back yeah work his neck so he's lifting him up with his head. He's standing on his face though. Yeah man. Good job. Carl gots didn't fuck around dude. Yeah, work his neck. So he's lifting him up with his face. Good job. Carl gots didn't fuck around. Yeah, that's obvious. Build your chin. So Enoki had this fight with Muhammad Ali and Muhammad Ali is trying to punch him and Enoki just goes to his back and kicks his legs. So he's fucked Muhammad Ali's legs up. They were really fucked up for quite a while. Really? After that. Yeah. So this is what they did. He just kicked his knees and kicked his legs. And Ali's like, what the fuck? And it's in Japan and they're paying him a ton of money to do it. So the referee has to separate them and the referee is Judo Jean LeBel. Yeah. So Judo Jean LeBel is the

referee and Enoki is just lying on his back kicking him and he's he's kicking him with our ground house kicks Like look at this. He's so he's fucking Ali's legs up man That's when you're a guy who makes his living off of his footwork, which was Ali like this was super dangerous Look, he's getting him in a leg lock So obviously this wasn't boxing this now with some weird hybrid fight that you know I think Ali just needed money and they talked him into doing this but Today is that sort of like what this was going on these crazy? Exhibition real fights that are happening well sort of but this was real

Anoki was really trying to hurt him He really did kick the shit out of his legs and Ali really see if you can find any articles on Ali's legs After the anokhi bout that's I think he really fucked his legs up because he didn't know how to check kicks He didn't know what what to even do and also this guy's on his back roundhouse kicking his legs and stomping at his knees Yeah, so who knows if his knees got hyperextended towards meniscus like who knows what the fuck happened Yeah, have you ever seen that there's an old polish documentary? It's like who knows what the fuck happened now. Have you ever seen that? There's an old polish documentary That's them training in the 1970s, and they're doing all that kind of crazy stuff

Throwing logs Where's it say that nearly ended Ali's career Finally the 15th round they call it a draw. Wow. Ali is bleeding from the legs. He gets an infection in his legs, and he almost has to have an amputation. Holy shit. Extended stay in the hospital was the best case

scenario coming out of the fight. Wow. So Muhammad Ali is suffering two blood clots and an infection in his leg from Anoki's vicious grounded kicks according to the sweet science. Wow. Wow. When he finally did, so look at this. So he said he continued his tour of Asia despite this competing in exhibition matches in South Korea and the Philippines before returning to the United States. When he finally did get back To the u.s. Ali needed to stay in Los Angeles Hospital for multiple weeks to recover from injuries sustained in the anokhi fight

Holy shit, man. He put him on ice man. They were concerned Ali's injuries could even be life-threatening. Well, that's staph infection He was bleeding from the legs got an an infection in his legs, almost had to have an amputation. Bro, staph infections are fucking terrifying. Have you had one? Yeah. Yeah, I've had two. Twice, twice I've had staph. Not bad though. I had a blood clot. Caught it both times. I had a blood clot one time. I got jammed up, smoked my ankle and I was like, didn't think much of it. Felt like just kind of weird. Got hot, got swollen. I'm competing all over the world and I'm like,

yeah, this kind of feels weird. And the doctor's like, hey man, you need to get that checked up. Of course, jumped back on a plane, went across the country. And they said that I had a blood clot from my knee to my hip. Oh shit.

Yeah. So it was blocking off the blood coming through the vein. It was blocking off, yeah, and my calf was giant. And- What did they do about that? I just started taking blood thinners and stuff, and so which was cool. And what do they do about that? I just start taking blood thinners and stuff, and so which was cool.

But you can't get cut. Couldn't get cut, which is kind of funny, because I got on the blood thinners, and I had just pulled an alligator tag, like a couple days before. No. So I told the doctor, I was like, he's like, don't do anything, they'll get you cut.

I was like, well, I'm going alligator hunting tonight. And he's like, haha. And I was like, no, no, seriously. He's like, no, you'll bleed out if you get bit. I'm like, yeah, but I probably won't bleed out. So I remember like in the middle of the night, the swamp giving myself shots of whatever that stuff was in my stomach.

And it was, I'm not very smart. So- How long do you have to take the blood thinners for before it dissolves? I took them for about six to eight months. Whoa. Cause I started on the shots and then I went to like the war friend tabs

and they had to keep checking me, keep checking me, because they had to let it all break out. And so I'd have to once a month get it ultrasounded. And just- There's no better way. Can't they pull that out of there or something? Yeah, that's what I would have thought. Get some tweezers.

You know. That's crazy. It's crazy. So I was at Christmas party a couple months later, and my doctor saw me, and he was like, hey. And he had a couple beers in him. So he's like, Hey, he's like, you're going to do you or you're one of your descendants are going to do something special for this world.

I'm like, what do you mean? And he was like, he's like, you know, where that blood clot should have been? I go, where? And he just tapped me on the chest. He's like, right there. He goes, no way you shouldn't have died on that one. I go, really? He goes, you heated it, you iced it, you massaged it, you flew, you trained.

He goes, you did everything if you were trying to commit suicide by blood clot for months. He goes, how it didn't travel, I have no idea. Whoa. And when someone tells you that, you're like, well, that's cool, I guess things are gonna go awesome for a while. Or you just got lucky.

Yeah, and then what happened, my lower leg, basically, like they said, it grew another vein. So it grew a bypass around it. So all the swelling started going down and they're like, yeah, one of your minimized veins or smaller veins actually grew in capacity and just worked its way around. They're like, the human body will do that. So it just worked its way around. They're like, the human body will do that. I'm like, so it just worked its way around the bypass. What would have happened though if you didn't get that vein diluted with the blood thinners or that blood clot?

Something to kick loose. I mean, it was right at my hip. It doesn't go away, your body doesn't absorb it ever? I mean, if the hematocrit or whatever the blood, the thickness of the blood was still of that, if it ever broke loose, he's like, it would have gone to your heart or your head, that would have been a stroke or heart attack.

And, you know, but it's weird, like, and it was just an ankle injury. Ankle, smoked it, and it's like, oh, okay, you know, I'll be fine. Started walking it off, and what screwed me is the next day, it was all black and blue, the whole deal, right? I'm walking, walking, walking.

Everything's not fine. It sucked. And I had to go on a business trip and I was like, let me go check and make sure it's not like broken that I have to get it like actually fixed. I went to the doctor and they're like, hey, you got to mobilize this thing. And I'd been walking for a week. And so they wrapped it up and mobilized it. And I remember I was on a plane.

I was sleeping. And it felt like someone lit a fire in my calf. And I was like, wah! What was that? And I went to my hotel room. I filled the trash can up with ice. And I just dumped my leg in there to cool my leg down. And that was like in May.

And I competed at the Hammer World Championships all the way to Labor Day. And I was in San Francisco. And I'm like, something's weird. I pulled down my knee sleeve, and one of the docs was there. And he was like, what is going on with your leg? I'm like, I think I pulled a hamstring or something. He's like, nah, you didn't.

And so I came back, called my guy at South Carolina Sports Medicine, and he got me in right away. And he's like, dude, you got a big ass blood clot. And like, you got to get this squared away now. Holy, imagine if he didn't do that. Imagine if he just... Just die. You'd just been like, hey, I'm...

One day you would have just died. I would have been a 30 year old really healthy guy that just keeled over. And so it's like, that kind of hits you. And that was honestly kind of the end of my competitive sports world. Because I started realizing like, all I cared about was winning. And all I cared about was training and winning. And I like, I forwent social relationships, being smart with my body and all this stuff.

Because I was like, no, I'm going to win Worlds. I'm going to go do this. I'm going to be top, whatever. Right? And it was just like drive, drive, drive. And I was like, man, I didn't see this very obvious thing that could and should have killed me. It's like, I need to grow up. I need to refocus how I'm looking at these things. And so I had to mature and just like, okay, I've competed for 15 or 20 years or whatever it was at that point. It's like, maybe take a pump, pump

the brakes for a second and just go like, am I making good choices for my family, good choices for my business, people that rely on me? Because if, you know, cool in all things, but if Bert just kills over, like, you know, that's not optimal for really anyone. It's interesting how you can get completely caught up in one goal to the point where you don't see anything else in life and you just miss out on a giant chunk of life. But if you want to be the best at something, it's kind of the trade off. It's the Neil Brennan joke.

That's the trade off. Yeah. I've talked about like the rabbit hole guy versus the 90% guy. And like the 90% guy, which I think I've kind of turned into, like if I train for something and get into something, I've generally found if I really care about it, I could be as good as 90% of the world at it, like a lot of different things. But if you're the guy that wants to go down there to be the best, the goat, you have to go down so far around the rabbit hole and forsake all other things to where you lose sight of reality.

By the way, you could still not make it. And you could still not make it. Yeah, you could be in the same weight class as John Jones. Right. And you're just like, I picked the wrong hero to be alive, right? Yeah. There's Mike Tyson in 1986. Whoops.

So you want to be a heavyweight boxer. Oh no. Yeah. Yeah. And that's- Tyrellweight boxer. Oh, no. Yeah. Your Tyrell Biggs. That's the weird part is you could be the rabbit hole guy and go so far down and lose sight of life and still be the number three guy ever.

And I use the Yoda, the Dagobah forest. That's where people went to get all the forest. They don't write books about the 90% guy. They write books about the weirdo that lived in the forest. There was a little green man that knew the force. Like, they don't write books about the 90% guy. Right. They write books about the weirdo that lived in the forest. There was a little green man that knew the forest. However, though, that guy might be miserable. Might be miserable, man. Yeah.

And I've seen it a lot. Yeah, you got to know when to stop. Yeah. It gets fun to do in the beginning, but you got to know when to stop. I mean, I would say you're probably as good or better than 90- plus percent of the human population at fighting Probably probably. Yeah, you're probably better at 90% of the human population at shooting a bow

Probably. Yeah, probably right and so you start looking at things you're like, oh, yeah, but you want to be Levi Morgan There's a long road. It's a long road Yeah, long ass road and like if you want to beat Gordon Ryan You're probably never going to catch him because he's already still doing it. Yeah. And he's not doing archery and he's not doing a podcast and he's not doing a thing. And then so like I've had to kind of went to this thing.

I was like, am I, do I want to be a 90% guy that enjoys semi-balance in my life and is really passionate about three or four or five things and be really, really good, or do I want to throw all my chips in and the probability is I won't be the goat. Right. Especially if it's a competitive thing. Right. Where it gets real tricky with some people is if maybe it's a thing that's not a competitive thing and you can keep doing it.

Yes. Like my friend Gary Clark Jr., when he records albums, he goes crazy. And he locks himself in the studio, and he's there for like fucking 12 hours, like every day, and it drives his family nuts. He's just like constantly working on his music, because to him, like, he wants to be all in. Like, that's where he lives.

That's where he creates this great music, when he's all in. And you could sacrifice all the other things in your life. You're not going to work out. You're not going to go on trips. You're not going to... All you're doing is just whatever that thing... Maybe it's painting.

Whatever it... Maybe it's writing books. Whatever it is, you're all in. And although it's beautiful, I don't know if I'm that guy. You don't have to be. You know? And that's why I had to look at myself in the greater You know if you're looking at the universe if you look at the greater picture of everything

It's not really important what you do here in this life, but for you it is And the problem is if you're compelled to try to be number one, and you don't really chase it You're always gonna have that thing in the back of your head. I never really went for it If you're compelled to try to be number one and you don't really chase it, you're always gonna have that thing in the back of your head. I never really went for it. Yes. At least you went for it for a long time. And that's the thing.

That I think is the best way. Go for something, but know when to stop. That's where it was. Yeah, don't be a 70-year-old dude out there in the Olympics throwing a hammer. Please don't. Please don't. No, you're exactly right. Who's the oldest guy who ever threw the hammer?

Ah gosh, well actually one of my mentors, Judd Logan, so this dude made four Olympic teams and the hammer and then got out of it and he was a coach and then every time that he would hit a 50 year, 55 year, 60 year, he would train for three or four months, break the all-time world record in that age class, and he would go off again for five years. Good Lord. And he would just come back and he would do it again, and just shatter the world record, and he would come back and he'd do it again. And he just did that up until pretty much when he passed.

Did he keep training the entire time? Like how did he be able to come back? He was very genetically gifted, and he would just, he was a coach, so he was always doing it and kind of screwing around and then he was serious But then he would get serious for the last little bit And all of his kids would come out of this guy's he coached and I mean he was just a gosh I was being like when he was like 70 how far away was he from guys who were 30? He knocked me out of the Olympic trial finals in 2004,

and he was 40, gosh, he was probably 45, 46 years old. He was like a little bit younger than me now, but I was 27 and in my prime. Wow. And that would have been his sixth Olympic trials. And you're just like, but it's Judd, right? Like he's a mythical Bill Braskey creature. Like he's Judd.

And you're just like, dang it. Judd's going to figure out a way to figure out a way. And he just generally, his fourth Olympic. So how many age class world records did he hold? He went 50, 55 and 60. And then he passed away a couple years ago. Actually he got, had cancer and then he had some COVID, um, COVID complications. It sucked, man.

I mean, you talk about a guy that's just that statue-esque, like best conversationalist, like poured into all these kids and stuff. And just like, he's the coach you always wanted to have, you know, and you're just like, ah, but things happen. It's interesting when you watch the way different people live their life, because you can see benefits and you can see where it would be a detriment to the rest of your life. And it allows us to look through these mythical creatures like that guy, these John Jones type characters, these Carl Gottsches and go, but is that what I want to do?

Correct. You should know what you want to do. Don't get tricked into doing something you don't want to do, because there's people out there that really want to do? Correct. You should know what you want to do. Don't get tricked into doing something you don't want to do. Because there's people out there that really want to do that. And if you don't really want to do that, you're never going to beat them anyway. Ever. Ever. You're already most likely not going to.

Right. Already most likely not going to. But if you're not really sure, you're fucked. Oh, you're dead in the water. If you've got one foot in, guess what, bitch? That foot's going to be snatched up by a crocodile. Yeah. One foot in the grave and You got one foot in guess what bitch you're gonna get that foot's gonna be snatched up by a crocodile One foot in the grave and one in a roller skate Yeah You can't you can't compete with a really obsessed talented person if you're not really obsessed and talented and the weird part is is when you

You look at yourself and kind of question that like am I a 90% guy and some people aren't either some people like I don't Care what happens man. I'd be average and that just sounds horrible right yeah, that doesn't sound like you're gonna get anywhere And you're not gonna be interesting not in the least yeah That's that's the problem like you're not gonna attract other interesting people because I'm gonna want to be around you right and the biggest Really funny well that's helpful. Yeah, the biggest part about being interesting is being interested right you know ask a lot of questions be Like yeah, that's where I think one of your superpowers, besides you have a steel trap for a brain, you've recalled things that we've talked about. I was like, I didn't know he was listening to that. That was pretty

impressive. But the thing is when you come to that, am I a rabbit hole guy? Am I a 90% guy? In my opinion, those are the only two choices. Like the other ones are screw those. But when you kind of like really look at like, have you ever seen like where your line really is? My line? Your line, like when, like you're like, I will go this far, but that's as far as I'll go.

Right. Like down that rabbit hole to whatever that is or whatever stressor or whatever that may be. And it's weird. I hadn't done it. And in recent, like, I had an experience it was like, okay, there's my line. Okay. That's, that's, well, what did you do? I was in Africa and, and, and I was hunting Cape Buffalo, which is the most dangerous thing. With a bow or a rifle? Rifle, but still it's one of those things.

You get in there close and it was like go with the bow, right? Oh, you could die. You die. It was pretty hairy. It kills more people than everyone. What did they taste like? They were awesome. They were actually awesome.

We did the inner loins that night in Namibia. It was fantastic. And the cool part about that is we donated the meat to the local village and they were super stoked. Wild part is after we gutted it there's like you know 400 pounds of guts on a buffalo and I'm like are y'all gonna like truck this out to the desert or out to the place and like let the hyenas and they're like no the villagers are taking I was like the guts and they said yeah no like there will be a party tonight no no running water, hearts, lungs, liver, stomach, you know, guts. And

they go, they will be so excited to get that. And so that was a, for me, I go, oh, we think we understand poverty. We think we understand in this country, like, what not having, we're like, oh yeah, I didn't have a whatever, like, like no this village is stoked to get 400 pounds of guts off a Cape buffalo That's been laying in the woods dead for the last 10 hours Really they were pumped old guts old guts old hot guts We put a tarp over it so before we could get back out there to get the bull out of the you know out of the Jungle or whatever would be called. So it didn't get super hot but it struck a big black 2000 pound animal.

What are they doing with the guts? How are they eating it? They said they'll wash out all the fluids or all the guts and shit and everything else and they'll put it on the grill and fry it and do all this like they said protein does not go to waste in Africa at all. Wow. So I'm like you guys are going to of course eat a heart but they're like yeah they're eating heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, like anything, like.

What does lungs taste like? Boy, I don't know, I don't know if I wanna know. I've always thought about it. Yeah. Yeah, because like when you open up an elk, you look at it like, can you eat this? Like, what does this taste like? Have you eaten heart? I'm sure. Yeah, I eat heart every time.

I love heart. I eat lung, I mean, liver, rather. I eat the liver and I eat the heart. Yeah, but you know and then. It seems like lungs are, I've never heard of anybody. And then stomach and stomach line, I guess that's what haggis is, right? Isn't it? Yeah.

Like haggis, lungs and just. You know what I know a lot of guys do? They take the caul fat from the, and then they chop up meat, and then they'll wrap it in the caul fat and put it on the grill Rinella did that. Yeah, yeah, that looked really good. Look real good season it and then wrap it in caul fat and then slice it open We ate the inner loins and they were really good, but they were talking about how the the villagers out there

They're like, yeah all this meat that these hunters get like it all goes to the villages I'm saying people understand like how much that changes the game. So when you say your line, what did you mean by that? Well, they had another opportunity to do a lion hunt. Oh, yeah, I'm not interested. That was my line. It was like, yeah, for multiple reasons. Well, first of all, you're not gonna eat it. You could, I mean, I know dudes who eat mountain lion,

it's delicious. Mountain lion is actually really good, according to everybody that I know that's eating it They're not lying. Yeah, there's people that are iffy on bear. I enjoy bear the rivets. Yeah, they know how to cook it Yeah, but the reality of a lion is I don't think anybody's out there eating African. Yeah, right and they're just a multitude I mean, they're a big I mean I got nothing against the lion to start with they're too cool. They're. They're too cool. They're cool. But they're big. They're scary. They hide really well. They're really fast. They're dope. There's a lot of stuff. If they didn't exist, you'd be pumped. If somebody put one of those in a movie, like, what a cool, awesome animal. So it's just like, okay, like for a multitude of reasons, like I'm a hunter guy. I enjoy

it. It's like, okay, not that one. Okay, and then not this one. Then you start looking at even training. You're like, hey, I'll do this, but I won't do that. Right. And I don't wanna shoot anything out of my mouth and eat, I'm not interested in that. I'm not interested in going to hunt something that's inedible, I just don't get it.

I get how people wanna do it, but I feel like the same about fishing. Like, I don't wanna catch stuff that you can't eat. Yeah, you fish a good bit, don't you? Yeah, I love fish your favorite thing to fish. I Mean if I really had the time and I don't it would be like salmon fishing in a river That's some of the most fun because they're so big and they're so strong and the way they jump and there's something about rivers Like oceans cool. I love ocean fishing, but it's like less personal There's something about being on a small boat on a river and you hook a salmon

You see it jump like my friend Ari and I went up to Anchorage a few years back and we did a show we did some salmon fishing. It was really fun And then I've done a lot of trout fishing. I Love bass fishing. Yeah bass fishing is really fun. And then I've done a lot of trout fishing. I love bass fishing. Yeah, bass fishing is always fun top water. Yeah. Oh, yes. Late summer. Watch them smash that. That's the best big frog. It's fun. Yeah, it's fun. Have you ever done a probably would be a bad idea for you. But like, I put a green light under my dock in my house. Oh, wow. Dude.

Cheat code. Oh, and they all come to it. It's the coolest thing. Oh, yeah. And the spring, and February through March, April, and then right now they're happening again. The striped bass will school under it. Oh, whoa.

And it's like you're catching four to 15 pound fish every night. That's awesome. Every night. And so I'll sit up at the house. That's so cheating. And I'll, yeah, no, seriously. So I'll be with the wife and she'll have a glass of wine.

I was like, all right, we'll go to bed. And I was like, well, I'm gonna go fish. She's like, you're going fishing now? I said, I'll be back, don't worry. And cause you only get like two or three casts before they blow off the light. But you're going to catch two or three fish every night on the first two or three casts.

Oh wow. Which is awesome. Well, it's a great way to get food. Yeah, no, so night on the first two or three casts. Oh, wow. Which is awesome. Well, it's a great way to get food. Yeah. No, so you go catch a seven or eight pound striper, gut him, throw him in the ice, and then do it. So I would literally fish, catch my two or three fish, and sometimes I got him one of those fly fishing for him.

So you catch like a 10 pound striper on a fly rod, which is badass. Dude, I went to Mexico once, and we went mahi mahi fishing. And then they cooked it within an hour of us catching it. I was like, oh my God, this is so much better than any fish I've ever had before. And then you realize that the more time it waits after it's dead, it goes to supermarkets, it's on a shelf.

You lose all that. You lose it. The flavor of them right when they pull it. I'm like, this is the best fish I've ever had in my life. It's incredible. Yeah. It was so delicious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the bet You you need to get one those those green lights under dock sounds like fun. Oh man deep glow is the one Yeah, I'll send you the link for it. Okay, super easy to do Mine kicks on right before before dark

Oh nice and or if you get up early because they had the longest time to school on it And so they're like, everything's silent. You go out there and smash a couple sun comes up. It's great. Oh, that's a good move. No, it's, and then you have kids too. Cause then it makes you actually a bad fisherman. Cause after that, you're just like,

I don't feel like going out. Like I'll just catch them tonight. Right. And then everyone starts like marking your spots. It's like the guys out here that hunt over deer feeders. Yeah. Yeah, it works It does work. It works, but they'll tell you it's like well we hunt but yeah, it's kind of like farming Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, it's just different. Yeah, it's not elk. No, it's definitely when you're sitting down the whole day waiting eating chips

It's good. It's a good time to check or catch up with emails, talk to your friends. Yeah, there's a lot of that, like the ground blind guys like to sit in ground blinds all day. It's a totally different thing. I did it this morning. Yeah, it's fun. I did it. I enjoyed it.

It's fantastic. It's a great way to pig hunt. Oh yeah, I stuck one two nights ago. The thing about pigs out here too is like, they actually have to hunt them. Yes. So like you're actually doing a service to the environment by getting food. Yeah.

And if you get a good butcher that can turn that into sausage, it's fucking fantastic. Yeah, my actually, my little boy, he killed his first pig last week. He's eight years old. What was it like when you ate it? It was awesome, we did it for Thanksgiving. When he was like, wow.

He was so super cool. So we it like when you ate it? It was awesome. We did it for Thanksgiving. When he was like, wow. He was like, this is mine. It was so super cool. So we yanked the back straps out. I marinated in Coke for like 36 hours. Coca-Cola? Coca-Cola. Really? Yeah, I kind of broke it down.

I learned that from Jen Rivett. So she would do bear with like Dr. Pepper. No kidding. Yeah. Oh, they know how to cook some bears up there. Yeah, you know that work. So we that and then like made a kind of butter and all this kind of cool Kind of kind of drizzly deal wrapped it in bacon could wrap pork and bacon and then put on the grill is freakin awesome Do you know that guy? He's a cook is on YouTube. What is it? His name Guga?

Guga Guga foods. He's always cooking steak like different ways to cook steak But the other way he did it the other day was he marinated it in buttermilk for like a week what yeah? Took a steak marinating buttermilk for a week and like when he pulled the stick out you could see like the buttermilk was breaking the Stake down that's a Guga foods That dude see if you can find his buttermilk steak one. Oh, he cooks a brisket in Coca-Cola. This guy is every human way possible to cook a steak. This guy's done it.

What's your favorite way to cook a steak? I am a reverse sear guy. Same. Yeah. I got taught that by Chad from Whiskey Vent Barbecue. He says that the best way, particularly for wild game, without a doubt it's the best way for wild game, take it and so here it is with buttermilk. So he did it one for 24 hours and he did one of them

where he sat it in the buttermilk for a week and he said it was sensational. Maybe one of the tracks. Hey look at that. Yeah, buttermilk just pulled. We do that with ducks afterwards and pulls out a lot of stuff out there. Yeah this guy knows how to cook some fucking steak. Yeah let's do it. My way is I like to use the either Traeger or the best way honestly if I have the time is I use an offset grill with actual hardwood. Sure. So I'll cook you know get some live oak in there

Yeah, I'll get it up to about 250 degrees, and then I'll put the steaks in there with me meter thermometers And I get it internally up to about 120 Yeah, and then either I sear it on a cast iron pan or I also have one of those Infrared yeah things what are those called again? Fuck they sent it to me. I should Shout them out I know who Sean Baker uses them all the time, but it's like a tray Sean. It's awesome It's right. Yeah, he's great

It runs on gas and she just slide it in there and it's like an overhead grill. What is it called? Auto wild grill. That's it auto wild grill An overhead grill. What is it called? Auto wild grill. That's it auto wild grill How about Sean being a freak for eating a bunch of meat? Yeah, being a giant 70 years old. He's fucking Throw an insane weight around no TRT. Why no nothing? I remember him from the throws days. Oh, do you really used to compete? I have big fucking dude monster and he's very smart, you know And anybody who says you can't only eat meat, you need to pay attention to him, because that's all he eats.

And he looks super fucking healthy. And he's doing jujitsu and training, and he's older than me. Yeah, he spoke at Summer Strong last year, and came in, and then he was deadlifting with everyone. He pulled like a six-something deadlift, and then like 400 for 25 reps or something like that. And he's just like, hey, I'm gonna go have another steak.

I'm like, and got me kind of on it. Eat steaks all day long. It's all he eats. He doesn't even take vitamins, I don't think. I think he just eats steak. I know you've done carnivore. I was actually, I actually called Sean about it because I was like, all right,

I need to like give this a whirl, but. It's worth it. It's worth doing. Yeah, it's legit. Yeah, I mean, I don't, what mean, I don't do it all the time. I'll eat pasta if I feel like it. I'll have vegetables if I feel like it. But I would say 90% of my food is meat.

Yeah. Meat or eggs. Meat or eggs, yeah. I think that's the most nutrient-dense food. My body reacts better when I'm not running on carbohydrates or running on ketones or when your body processes protein and turns it into glucose, which is just more regulated for me.

You do whatever you want, but I would say try it. If you're a person that eats meat, I would say give it a shot. Just give it a month. One month, I did one time I lost 12 pounds. I felt fucking great. I had all this energy, and I was like, oh, okay, I'm poisoning myself.

I'm limiting my performance, okay. I'm poisoning myself. I'm like limiting my Limiting my performance at least my mental performance, right? Yeah, I started getting on it a month or two ago Just a bit. I was like, yeah, I give it a shot. I was eating a ton of venison, but gosh I love blackberries blackberries and cottage cheese. I think are like the weirdest thing that I just I could eat it I don't think there's anything wrong with fruit. Yeah know, that's like Paul's saladino's move. I eat fruit. So what Paul does is he incorporates fruit, honey, and raw dairy with meat.

And then Sean just eats meat. But I can't imagine an argument where fruit's bad for you. I would say don't eat all the fruit. That's the problem. I could bomb. Have a couple oranges or have a couple bananas or a bowl of blueberries with some yogurt. Why is that bad? It can't be bad. Can't be bad. Right. No, they're they're good for you. They're they're filled with vitamins. They

taste good. It's like it's also it's enjoyable to eat a piece of melon. Tastes good. It's fun. Again, I'm not trying to be the goat at eating blueberries. I think the number one thing is don't eat bullshit. And when you go on a carnivore diet, you are automatically cutting out a lot of bullshit. You're cutting out a lot of enriched wheat and processed fucking grains and all this bullshit. And you're cutting out pesticides that might be on your shit.

There's a lot of things you're cutting out when you're just eating steak. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you eat a lot of whitetail or no? Yeah, sure. Yeah. I mean, if I get one. Sure. I have one in the freezer now. 19 elk a year. Yeah, I do. But I got two whitetails last year too. I turned them into sausages and I, you know, cooked the backstraps and butter and garlic. Backstraps of butter and garlic. That's one that a lot of times I just like to cook

on a cast iron pan. Yes. Especially white tail. There's something about white tail tenderloins with butter and garlic. That is hard to beat. That's my kid's favorite food. So hard to beat.

Yeah. A little salt, garlic, butter. Cracked pepper. Oh. So stupid good. Oh, so stupid. Oh my God. My son and I will eat like easily a full loin. Like he goes, feel fantastic. I feel like you feel the vitamins in the meat.

You know, it's like that's what an animal is supposed to make you feel like when you eat it. White tail gets like a bad news. Oh, just a white tail. White tails are great. People are silly. Yeah, they are. Well, people are so silly when it comes to,

I know people don't even eat their elk. They don't eat their elk. They go elk hunting and then they donate it to the church. It's a lot of work for. They just like to hunt. Which I mean, I guess it's okay because you're providing people with free food and it doesn't go to waste,

but it's the best food in the world and you're not eating it. Yeah, the best. That seems so crazy to me. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I cook up every week, I cook up like a bunch of elk meat in a bunch of different ways. And then I have it in the fridge.

So that's my meal prep for the week. I saw that. Do you eat it cold? Cold with hot sauce. Is that the move? That's what I like to do. I like to take a plate, put some meat on there, dump some hot sauce on the plate and just dip it in the hot sauce and eat it cold.

Any good hot sauce? Any specific and just dip it in the hot sauce and eat it cold. Any good hot sauce? Any specific? Well, I like it hot. I actually have my own little collaboration that I did with Senor Lechuga. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, yeah. It's three different hot sauces. One of them comes from my friend Andrew at Half Face Blades. He had one. It was so good. I said, can I include that one? I remember that.

Because I'm doing a collaboration. We made an agreement. Yeah, sure. So it's like it has the half leased face blades logo on as well. That's with sun dried peppers. I saw that. Tell you what all the stuff is. See, go to the senior Lechuga. I made my son I got Andy to make me a half face blade. For me, my dad and my two boys. So they all matching. And the goal of it was you either carry your dad's your son's or your or your brother's knife. So we all switch. Oh, that's cool. And I cut my

my son who's eight years old now I cut his umbilical cord with his knife, which was weird. I sent that to Andy. That's heavy. Yeah, it was awesome. I rubbed his first drop of blood into the handle. Give him that knife. So heirloom tomatoes, winter truffle and reaper. Now we're talking. Yeah, that's Andy's and that one fucking rules But the other ones rule to the habanera erfa chili paprika That's a fucking banger and but these are hot hot I'm gonna buy these now senior lechuga calm sweet senior lechuga hot sauce Awesome. Have you ever done a deer leg if you can't I'm not like a hot hot. I'm like a tasty. It's tasty

Okay, it's gonna fuck you up. You're not ready. It's really like that. Yeah, it's real like he That guy makes hot sauce. It's it's got Reapers in it. Yeah, it's legit. It kicks your ass I sweat my kids make fun of me because you know bald so like when I sweat it's pouring down my face, right? They're like what is wrong with you is like a sweater Have you ever done a deer leg like the flip-flop style you ever seen the what do you mean? Any flip-flop guy I have to cook it for you sometime so badass so you had a deer leg with a shank still on it Mm-hmm super hot grill Put it on the coals like well, well, the grill is like, hot as shit. Okay, 1100 degrees

like cooking right? blast it. So he has this special sauce. And his granddad, I believe started it. It's a special sauce. That's like, the way to flip flop. Yeah. Best way to grill venison. All right, let me see what you got. Yeah. So you basically get this sauce, you mix it with, you mix it with wine, you paint it with a rosemary brush, you salt and pepper it, and then you flip it, you just put it down on the grill. 30 seconds. Okay. While you're cooking that side, you're painting the other side,

salt and pepper it, and you flip it, you shave the first quarter inch. Oh. And then so that size, and so the long as it takes you to shave the first quarter inch, repaint it, re-salt and pepper it, and then you flip it. And so when you're in it, you're going to consume an entire deer leg in the next hour and a half, and you're in it. Oh, you know what that's like?

It's so freaking good. That's like Brazilian steakhouse. Exactly. Like a chujas, Korea. But it just boom, boom, boom, boom. So we'll do it at parties. And you get a couple dudes, you get your boys, and you're all drinking suburban.

Oh, look at that. And just slicing pieces off. Oh, that looks so good, man. That looks sensational. It's ridiculous. Oh my god. He taught me how to do it. And I've actually gone to a couple events

and helped him out. But I've cooked him at birthday parties. And that's a great idea. It's so dope. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm supposed to hunt with Rinella in March. Maybe we'll try that. Yeah.

If you want me to know, I'll freaking cook one for you. I'm sure you could do that with any other wild game too. Yeah we've done it with sheep, we've done it with elk is kind of a monster. Well it's such a big leg. Yeah. But if you have a smaller sort of. That is, that's the, that's the move and now you'll paint it And then you'll salt pepper in it big ass knife like that. So you don't burn your knuckles. That looks fucking great

It's insane and what is in the sauce again? He won't tell me exactly but it's fuck. Come on Andy get with it He won't tell you but it's bullshit is that It has all kinds of But it's bullshit is that it has all kinds of Two bottles of private reserve our flagship sauce. Oh, it's the sauce Bottles won't tell you what's in the sauce right one bottle of red wine Cabernet or Zinfandel work depending on if you're non-binary salt and pepper to taste one quarter cup to one half bottle of rosemary Infused olive oil, but that's a big gap quarter cup to a half bottle It's like a glug glug glug yeah drink bourbon three to four loaves of French bread several sprigs of fresh rosemary

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