The Joe Rogan Experience - #2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Dr. Mark Gordon is an expert in the field of neuroregenerative medicine and the treatment of Traumatic Brain Injuries. www.millenniumhealthstore.com This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Get working on a better you with therapy. Visit BetterHelp.com/JRE today to get 10% off your first month. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT) or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD).21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min. $5 bet. Max. $200 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: dkng.co/dk-offer-terms. Ends 2/9/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Good to see you again my friend. Hey, it's always great to be here. It's been a while. Four years, January 8th, no, January 15th. Was it really? Yeah, that long ago.

Four years, jeez. Yeah, it's been four years. The last time you were here, right?th. Was it really? Yeah. Four years. Geez. Yeah, it's been four years. The last time you were here, right? Correct. Yeah. I think the last two were here. So that was like right after a couple months after I moved here. Yeah.

So almost exactly four years. Crazy. Well, waiting was great. Waiting? Waiting. I mean the time, four years, waiting to have another chat with you. So much has gone on since last we met. Well tell me, what's going on?

Where do you want to start? A? Z? Anywhere. Anywhere. Let's see, you know the family's expanding, which is great. All three daughters have been married and each has a grandchild, which is making me feel old. So I've ramped up, stepped up my hormonal treatment to keep me on edge because I want to be

around a lot longer to take care of these kids or to be with the kids. They're just 16 months, but they're still fantastic. Unbelievable. I love it. That's great. Absolutely love it. But in the world that I work in, in the medical arena, it's been expanding rapidly. The new administration has a part to play in it, which is great, but even before that, the number of results that we're having, the outcome from TBI, PTSD, and what have you, has been accelerating because of some of our testing that we do as well as our treatment that we've Initiated that's changed since four years ago since last time. What have you added in the last four years? Well, we've added a lot more neutropics. Excuse me, not

nutraceuticals Natural products into our regiment You know I spent 16 years looking at the science behind things that can get into the brain and alter the inflammation that occurs in the brain. The whole premise of everything that I've been doing for the last 30 years has been based upon inflammation in the brain. And the inflammation is what stops all the chemistry and why we develop anger and problems.

I don't know if you saw the article which is called Influence of Media on the Mental Health of America Which used to be called the Trump derangement syndrome But I got so much backlash from having that title people wouldn't read it because of the title and it talks about how Constant stress from the media echo chambers social media. Yeah all this bullshit Causes cortisol to go up no doubt and it shuts down a chemical that protects your brain called fractalkin and then it starts dumping all this inflammation and causes loss of serotonin so you become more depressed. It causes loss of melatonin so you can't sleep.

Generates another group of chemicals that induce depression. Yeah, it essentially generates this response in your body that prepares itself for a fight that never takes place Correct, and then you're always thinking you're about to get into some sort of a physical Altercation with the armed enemy coming over the top of the hill Vigilant states just like our army goes through constant stress exactly and and the thing the army and with a lot of these people that you've worked with is from IEDs and from blowing through doors and stuff like that,

they get damaged to their pituitary gland. We've talked about it many, many times in the podcast. But I think one of the misperceptions is, as you said, and I apologize for that, is that we think it's all due to pituitary gland, but it isn't. In the work that we've been doing, it shows that when you have inflammation in the brain, regardless of how it's developed, whether or not it's IED or slip and fall, or as we've talked in the past, even wave runners, ski do's, or skiing, or water skiing, snow skiing,

or going to the range, the 50 caliber gunners, what happens is it creates this inflammation that shuts off the ability of the brain to regulate the pituitary gland. So you can do all the MRIs as they do at the VA and they see a normal pituitary gland and says oh, pituitary is normal, you've got PTSD. But there's no radiological or neuroradiological procedure that will allow you to look at inflammation in the brain. So they assume they can't find any structural damage that it has to be all psychiatric. Sort of like when they used to have to diagnose CT after you're already dead. Correct. Isn't that how they're doing it now?

No, I think they can scan for it now. There's a PET scan that can look for the tau protein. Is that what it is? Yeah, tau proteins, hyperphosphorylated tau becomes these NFTs, these neurofibral tangles, which is an interesting issue. It's been part of my last year of deep dive trying to find out why is it that you develop CTE or the symptoms relative to CTE? Why is it that you develop the symptoms relative to Parkinson's or Alzheimer's or

multiple sclerosis? Well, it turns out that the biochemistry is all the same. Something called beta amyloid, which is the hallmark for someone with Alzheimer's disease, and then these tau proteins, hyperphospholated tau proteins that they call NFTs, that they circulate around the blood vessels and they create this intense inflammation. And that intense inflammation causes loss of blood supply, damage to neurons, and you develop it. So we've had, using our protocol, we have our six case of multiple sclerosis that was totally put into remission.

It took 90 days to put him in remission. It was a lieutenant. Really? Yeah. It's a video up on- And what's the protocol that did that? The protocol is the nutraceutical that drops the inflammation and replacing the hormones that are deficient that protect the brain.

What is in the nutraceuticals? In the nutraceuticals there is quercetin, you know about quercetin. It's got EDA, DHA from omegas. It has in it glutathione, N-acylcysteine, it's got B12. That's on one component of it. The other component has B1, B2, which deals with neurocommunication. And then it's got PQQ and CoQ10. PQQ is a form of CoQ10. It's a sister. And it's 100 to 1,000 times stronger. But it's what it does. It increases mitochondrial function. I know you've had a lot of people here talking about mitochondrial function, and that's a major piece in how to reverse things like neurodegenerative diseases and improve mental functioning. I mean, products like you have,

like AlphaBrain, you know, has an effect on improving mitochondrial function, and that's what you want to do. That's a key. So you have to drop the inflammation because inflammation causes mitochondria that produce ATP. It causes mitochondrial dysfunction. So in all those neurodegenerative diseases, mitochondrial dysfunction has been ignored in the past, and you need to address it. So PCQ and CoQ10 are two very very potent when added together they stimulate mitochondrial ATP production and

replication of Mitochondria quercetin does the same thing that's why it's so important so Quercetin you were you explained to me before that it's an ion of four and that it Gets ions into the bloodstreamstream better so it's when you consume it with zinc. This is a paid advertisement for better help. Life is kind of like a book and every new year is the start of a new chapter, except in this case the pages are blank and you can write whatever the fuck you want.

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getting at is it's beneficial for people all year round, not just people that think they might be getting COVID. Absolutely. So I take 500 milligrams twice a day. Of quercetin and how much zinc with that? 30 milligrams. Okay. I take 30. And you do that twice a day? I do that, the quercetin twice a day, but zinc, because my levels are where they're at, I

don't put a lot of zinc in because zinc's involved in about 300 processes in the body. It's antiviral that we just talked about. It's anti-alzheimer's because it turns out that the production of the chemical called beta amyloid, there's an enzyme that regulates it and it's zinc dependent. So if it's working, it's called a secretase. It's called alpha secretase. It's called alpha-secretase. It's zinc-dependent. Beta-secretase is not. So beta-secretase takes and makes the beta amyloid that causes the Alzheimer's, the inflammation. And with that inflammation, you then start getting the same thing in CTE. So in all these inflammatory conditions, they have the same beta amyloid and cause for CTE, the hyperphospholated tau protein that we call NFTs, neurofibril tangles.

So they're all related. So what quercetin does is it increases mitochondrial replication in about seven days, doubles the amount of mitochondria intracellularly. It helps increase and deliver something called IGF-Binding Protein 3, insulin-like binding protein 3. Binding Protein 3 is always looked at as being the carrier for IGF-1, insulin-like growth factor, growth hormone, turns on and deliver the production of insulin-like growth factor, which is the main below-the-neck growth factor for our body, improves protein synthesis, decreases inflammation too.

Wow. Okay. As side track, when you're talking about beta amyloid and Alzheimer's, wasn't there a significant amount of fraud that was exposed about Alzheimer's studies that put into question a lot of the ideas that people had about Alzheimer's. Wasn't that something that happened recently? Well, in the train of thought on Alzheimer's, you know, they're saying that it's due to the recessive genes.

Well, if you look at the real studies recently, 95% of the cases of Alzheimer's disease appear to be due to trauma and aging. Trauma and aging, only 5%. So trauma, like head trauma? Head trauma. Because what happens is trauma stimulates the brain because of inflammation to increase the production of beta amyloid, and it's because they found recently another secretase. What secretases are, are the enzymes that convert a protein called APP, Alzheimer's

precursor protein. And it's a long protein, and two enzymes go in and clip it here and clip it here. And that piece is beta amyloid. That's the bad stuff. That's a beta-secretase and a gamma-secretase. But they also have something called alpha-secretase. So if alpha-secretase and gamma-secretase cut this APP, it generates alpha amyloid, which is inert, not inflammatory. So what did they find recently? Something called delta secretase.

Delta secretase and gamma gives you beta amyloid. So how do you generate delta secretase in the body? Trauma? Aging. So that's why most of the cases of Alzheimer's disease are inflammatory based. So what are the things that... I'm sorry, but on most cases, is there a certain age where people start to develop it? And has there been any cases of very young people that get Alzheimer's?

There's a young form of Alzheimer's, and that might be directly due to having head trauma and developing this delta amyloid or delta secretase generating amyloid, beta amyloid that creates the Alzheimer's disease. As you get older, 65 years of age and above, that could be 5% genetic, but I think what the literature is really speaking towards is that it all has an inflammatory basis. Remember, trauma in the brain equates out to inflammatory processes. It's part of the brain's ability to try and protect us.

Right. Okay? Remove junk, bacteria, mold, viruses from the brain, and also metabolites of abnormal metabolism in the brain. What was the scandal? The Alzheimer's research scandal? Because it was pretty significant and they were saying that it throws into question all of these previous assumptions and therapies that they were providing for Alzheimer's disease and this person had made a significant amount of money. It's the antibodies, it's the treatment protocols,

the antibodies against beta amyloid. And they found that even though you're against beta amyloid, you were still progressing on to develop symptoms of Alzheimer's disease. But they were talking about fraud. This was like fraud in scientific research. This is recent. How a retracted paper affected the course of Alzheimer's research. But it's one paper and what was the focus of?

Okay. June 2024 landmark Alzheimer's research was retracted due to fraud allegations. Do we waste billions of dollars and thousands of hours of scientist time? Maybe not. New potentially hopeful drugs on the market targeting the subject of the paper, amyloid beta. The review video breaks down the amyloid beta hypothesis, the fraud itself, and where we go from here. So what is the fraud itself, Jamie?

Does it say? So you can find an article that's just not a video, not attached to a video. Beta amyloid data. See, they've been relying on beta amyloid as being the focus, and what they're finding is the treatment that addresses beta amyloid, the antibody against beta amyloid, people are still getting progression of the disease. I understand this, but I just want to know what the fraud was. Oh, okay.

So what is the fraud? Amyloid hypothesis, scroll down a little bit, Jamie. What's the fraud? What did the paper bullshit about? Okay, 56 paper lead to. But later published and failed to find. Where's the fraud? What's it say? Yeah me try a different search. Yeah, just find out like what was the, this seems like very involved. This is a science journal. Well, you know that in, there are papers that have been written about reproducibility. Reproducibility is where a researcher does a paper, makes a claim about the results of his science, and then people look at that and they want to go and reproduce it to prove it. They found that

70 percent of them can't be reproduced. And when you looked at the actual scientists who did the original work, goes back and tries to reproduce it, 70 percent failure rate. So there are major publications that have talked about this reproducibility error. I mean, you can go on to Google Scholar or else into Google and look at reproducibility. Okay, here it is. But over the past two years, questions have arisen about some of Masila. How do you say his name? Masila? Masila. Masila. Masila. Masila? Masila's research. Science Investigation has now found that scores of his lab studies at UCSD and NIA are riddled with apparently falsified Western blots, images used to show the presence of proteins and micrographs of brain tissue. Numerous images

seem to have been inappropriately reused within and across papers, sometimes published years apart in different journals describing divergent experimental conditions after science brought initial concerns about Masliya's work to their attention. The neuroscientists and forensic analysts specializing in scientific work would previously work with science, produced a 300-page dossier revealing a steady stream of suspect images between 1997 and 2023 at 132 of his published research papers. Science did not pay them for their work. In our opinion, this pattern of anomalous data raises credible concern for research misconduct and calls into question a remarkably large

body of scientific work. Okay, so it seems like the fact that he was reusing the same images, stating that they were new images, so he was stacking the deck in his favor because he had a point to make. God, that's so gross. $2.6 billion. That's what the budget was. That's so gross. Yeah. $2.6 billion. That's what the budget was for. That's the National Institute of Health, yeah.

Geez. Dwarfs the rest of the National Institute, the NIA combined. He was in charge of the Division of Neuroscience. That is so crazy. So the budget of the Division of Neuroscience alone was $2.6 billion in the last fiscal year. was 2.6 billion dollars in the last fiscal year and this guy was a key leader for the effort. Man, how gross. But that's pressure and competition and very ambitious people who have shitty morals. Yeah, well.

Right? That's what that is. Yes. Publisher perish. Publisher perish is the motto, right? That's the motto. If they don't publish and have a positive finding, they're not going to get funding for the next project that they have. And when someone does publish, like this gentleman who allegedly published falsified data, is there someone who goes over that stuff to make sure that that's not the case? Yeah.

The editors of the journal that he's presenting it to. Right. But is there preferential treatment for people that are established scientists that are thought to be beyond criticism? Theoretically. Like a gentleman like this who has an enormous position of power and a $2.6 billion budget behind him? Well, but look at the bottom line.

Which pharmaceutical company was involved in it? Okay. Which pharmaceutical? Okay, which pharmaceutical and you know, that's one of the the problems that you know, RFK jr. Will be generating is that as he finds that this science is 70% you can't reproduce it meaning that right it's maybe not accurate Maybe there's a little bit of that's being kind bias has being kind. I'm trying to be kind. Yeah, because otherwise it's fraudulent, right? It is, correct. I was just reading an article about Alzheimer's that

was claiming that Alzheimer's didn't even exist until modern times. Statens. Statens cause Alzheimer's? Is that what you're saying? This article was connecting it to our diet, the standard American diet, and they were saying that all the bullshit food that people eat is contributing to this condition. And what I was going to get to you is that would lead to an inflammation, correct? You got it. Because the bullshit American diet filled with crap is terrible for you, and that leads to inflammation. You look at the inflammatory neurodegenerative diseases.

What does everyone have now? It says a low inflammatory diet. That's what it talks about. Also in HIIT, in high-impact interval training, in high-impact aerobics, what happens is you can increase a chemical in the brain called brain-derived neurotrophic factor, which is something that helps to improve neuron-to-neur neuron communication and neurology of your brain. And I don't know if you saw, we have one of your favorite guys, Gerald McClellan. I don't know if you've seen some of the papers that have come out.

He had a stroke in 95 fighting Nigel Benn in London. And during that fight, it was a horrible fight if you've ever seen the it's a crazy fight It's yeah. So anyway, he had a stroke from that He was hospitalized for 11 days in a coma in ICU in London gets out his sister Lisa McClellan Refuses to put him into a nursing home into a hospice health takes him into the house house in Chicago and for 29 years dealt with them. She develops an organization called Ring of Brotherhood where Muhammad Ali's niece and son are I think a part of it and they take care of boxers who are leaving the ring who have symptoms, punch drunk or what do they call it, precox or pugilistic, dementia pugilistic. Yeah.

Yeah. And she contacted me and told me about her brother and I looked at stuff and what we did was we set up a fund and we paid for his laboratory work and his initial assessment and we found he was hormonally deficient. So what we ended up doing is putting him on to the hormone replacement and to one of the peptides that we use, which is called NSEAL-CMAX, which stimulates the brain to produce more brain-derived neurotrophic factor. He's in Chicago.

I'm in California or here in Texas, in Magnolia, and one of our docs in Chicago took the lead. I just gave her what to do. He's 20 percent better in four months on the protocol. He's now remembering things. He's communicating. He's on the phone. And a boxing journalist, Oliver Fennell, came from London to Chicago and wrote a paper which is called a day in the life of Gerald McClellan and talks about how

what happened and where he's gone and he's had some improvement that's incredible 20 yeah phenomenal 20% I'm sure we talked about Rick Perry before the podcast started so I'm sure you're aware of his push to legalize ibogaine and start using ibogaine for people with traumatic brain injuries, and he was talking about how it regenerates neural tissue and helps people significantly. And then on top of that, the addiction issue where people have addictions and ibogaine is incredible for curing those, like literally curing them.

And one with one session is in the 80 percent range. With two sessions, it's somewhere around 97 percent, which is just crazy. 93 to 97 percent. It's phenomenal. I give a lot of credit to Rick Perry. In 2022, they had HB 1802, which is the first bill in any state where the state put money into a research project at Baylor for it was for a sole assignment is where he started so it was Rick Perry Andrew Maher was part of it along with Dr. Martin. Shout out to our friend Andrew. Yeah. Hello Andrew!

And let's see, Dr. Martin Polanco who I'll cycle back to because the Ibogaine issue was what he helped to develop. So it was also Representative Alex Dominguez who helped to push it through to get the funding for it and it's at Baylor with a doctor by the name of Lynette Avril, PhD. She's, I believe, the one who's in charge of it. But recently, we have ayahuasca, we've got Ibogaine, we got LSD, we've got MMDA. The Ibogaine seems to be really good for addiction

and for neuro regeneration, which is what you were talking about, to improvement in the neuro function. Downside is the cardiovascular, so it has to always be under a very strict, very close observation. And the doctor that I talked about, MD, Martin Polanco, who has clinics in Mexico, uses Ibogaine. And one of our new vets who came on board in one of the other states set up a 508 charitable organization. The eight is a religious organization. He imports Ibogaine from, I think it's Chile, and gets it here in the states and then sends it to Mexico to Dr. Polanco to do studies.

So right now I believe he has the largest group of studies. And one of the things that really has to be looked at is the compassionate use of these products. You've got guys that are coming back from war who everything isn't working, you know, everything. So you have to start pulling the stops out and treat them. I mean, if you really want them to get better. Especially when there's real evidence that there's not just anecdotal evidence that they work but there's actual scientific evidence of their effectiveness.

There's mechanisms, we understand. Right. So I think I might have sent you a preliminary paper I'm working on on the neurotransmitters to identify how each one of the psychedelic assisted therapeutic agents work in the brain. And the science is already out there. So what does it tell you? The foundation for how they work, why they work, and how they work is already there. So why aren't we using it?

Well, because of a stupid law that was passed in 1970 to punish Richard Nixon's political opponents. That's really what it is. Was it? Yeah, that's what it is. It was about the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement. And so one of the ways to get at these people, they knew that one of the big shifts of culture, if you go back to like we talk about ad nauseam on the podcast, but there's just a gigantic shift in culture from the 1950s to the 1960s. It's almost unimaginable the amount of change that takes place. And what you have to imagine as a person today is 2015. Now you think in time, things accelerate even more rapidly and change

is more exponential. It's more crazy in time and it's kind of sort of true with some technologies especially today with AI. But if you go back to 2015 and if you were just driving around in 2015 everything is essentially the same. The phones look pretty much the same, the cars look pretty much the same, there's not much difference. There's not much difference in your life. If you go from 1959 to 1969 you have a totally different fucking world. You have a totally different world of culture, totally different world of movies, totally different world of music, totally different world of automobile design. You have a totally

different world that I believe is inspired by psychedelic drugs. And when Nixon throws the water on the psychedelic movement in 1970 and makes them all schedule one, including things that aren't even psychoactive, by the way, missed a bunch of really good ones. Missed a bunch of really good ones that are still legal. One of them was salvia, which is fucking bananas, an insanely potent psychedelic drug that was completely legal. So if you look at it culturally, you

see this shift, you see the movies get clunkier and goofy. You see the cars start to look like shit. You see the music starts to suck. It starts to be like real frivolous and very surface. It's cocaine music, right? It's not Led Zeppelin. It's not psychedelic music. It's not the doors. Jimi Hendrix, yeah. It's not Hendrix. There he is. It's not Voodoo Child. You know, it's something completely divorced from feeling, right? And

this is because of Richard Nixon. Okay, so you're basically saying the importance of psychedelics in expanding the visions that we have to advance our culture and society has been removed. Exactly. I agree with you. We talked about the sympathetic use. There's people that are going to use things and they're going to abuse things. Just like you and I are having a glass of whiskey.

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Get in there you fucking drunk. I took my glutathione. I know you did. I know you did. I apologize. I finally went back and listened to our first podcast for 38 from August 8th 2012. Damn, that long ago? Wild. 13 years ago? Wild. It was wild and the thing that stuck out was glutathione. So I started this morning with my glutathione

because I knew we were gonna finish this bottle. Oh well I'm not finishing that bottle. There's not a chance in hell. I have stuff to do. Oh, and I just worked out. Did you take glutathione? I haven't taken it yet No, I take it every night. Sure, if you got some go get me some I take it every night Sommel that's what that is. Oh this I have to suck on this right? No brain risk you number three. No, is this your company? Yeah, that's our product and that is our core product for fixing the guys with TBI Yeah, how's the new flavor That's actually good. Oh, thank you. That actually doesn't taste bad at all. I was getting nervous when you're eating something out of a tube

You said like depends on whose tube it is. Yes When you're eating something out of a tube, you said like... Depends on whose tube it is. Yes. Isn't that true? It's not actually a tube. I don't know why I said a tube. It's a packet, like a ketchup packet. There you go.

It's not ketchup. But it doesn't taste bad at all. No. But yeah, you turned me on to glutathione a decade ago. Decade plus. 13. Yeah. Long time ago.

Long time ago. But yeah, because of meeting you, I mean, I really ramped up all of my nutritional supplements in a big way. Because back then when I first met you, it had to be 15 years ago, right? Somewhere around then? Yeah. At least. When I first met you, I was just basically taking multivitamins.

I wasn't really like strict about it. And then when you started doing blood work and explaining things to me, and you know, and breaking down the nutritional deficiencies, like you need niacin, you need this, you need that, and I start taking all that stuff and it's, it makes a significant difference. It really does. And I talked to a lot of people that are skeptical about vitamins and they talk to their doctors, unfortunately. And the reality is that you're very educated in this department, but many doctors have a cursory at best understanding of nutrition. Their specialty is their specialty.

If they're a urologist or they're an orthopedic surgeon, that's their specialty. And most of them are very unhealthy, unfortunately. Correct. And they're under the illusion that you can get everything that you need to live optimally with a balanced diet That's horseshit people Absolutely. Yeah, and you notice it eventually look when I go on vacation I've gone on vacation before like seven day vacations and not taking vitamins with me feel shitty. Yeah, man

Yeah, like I feel different like at the end of seven days. I'm like Jesus. I need some fucking vitamins So I don't do that anymore. Yeah now when I go on vacation, I take vitamins with me. I'm like, what's the big deal? I pack underwear, pack my fucking vitamins, and I just make sure that I have everything that I need. And if I don't do that, I don't feel the same. And I think it's just the difference between being alive, do you need it to be alive? No.

But we're not talking about just alive. We're talking about optimization. And if you want to feel better better and everybody does you should take vitamins And you should take a bunch. You should take a lot of different stuff. Yeah, absolutely one of the One of the times you're talking about our progression throughout time back in the 90s Doctors were against vitamins saying that it's expensive these doctors were against vitamins saying that it's expensive urine, expensive flushing in the toilet. Yeah.

You remember that? My doctor told me that. Yeah. And then what happened? And then all the science started coming out saying how we needed B12 because our nutrition was devoid because the soil not being rotated, devoid in the nutrients to feed the plants to give us our vitamins. I thought B12 was essentially from animals.

It is, muscle. Yeah. From muscle, but talking about B complex really. You know, you can get it in plants as well. us are I thought 812 is essentially from animals it is muscle yeah muscle but talking about B complex really you know you can get it in plants as well but it's the trace elements as well the minerals and without having adequate amount in you got to replenish it right you don't replenish it you lose important you know pathways what about folks that are getting their food organically they're getting like like they go to a farmers market, they get really good organic groceries? Most of the organic people supplement the

animals with quality supplementation food. I mean organic vegetables. Organic vegetables? You know, to be organic you can't have pesticides on it, you can't have heavy metals, so it has to be nutritionally enriched with positive soil. They might put additives in it. Ideally, you'd like just a natural process of compost and manure and stuff like that.

I use chicken shit. Perfect, chicken shit's great, right? It works, yeah. I've got some great lemons and vegetables You know that people used to go to war over bat shit a guano. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that nuts Yeah, like guano was so important for fertilizer for not only fertilized then it became the the base foundation for Lipstick and eyeliner. Yeah Bat shit was the foundation for lipstick. Look up Guano. You imagine kissing someone they got bat shit lipstick on. They had Guano wars. Yeah they really did have Guano wars. Isn't that nuts? Isn't that where bat shit crazy came from? Crazy is bat shit, bat shit crazy. I think the term bat shit

crazy I think that had something to do with how feverant people would fight in a war over bat shit Is it fervent? Yeah, yeah, it's a good word. I Like that's a lot of words. I don't use but I read them and then when it's time to use them I'm like, that's the appropriate road. I'm like, how do you fucking say that? You know, I think that's where the term bat shit came from one bizarre blink, guano ruled U.S. agriculture and the world. How fertilizer madness sparked into a turd war and turned guano into gold. Yeah, man, people needed that for fertilizer.

Yeah. Does it talk about the cosmetic use of guano? Fountain of youth. The batshit's the fountain of youth? It's, what is it, the nitrogen composition of it is very good for growth of plants. This is interesting. It says, prior to modern science and agriculture, the whys and hows of soil health largely were mysterious. How soil additives functioned or the knowledge of which minerals were needed and when was the realm of the blind. Beyond animal manure, farmers added soil amendments by the barrel, composts, human waste, fish, coal bribe products,

chalk, or whatever unholy concoction was hawked by the latest charlatan to pull up in a wagon at Town's Edge and promise a yield bloom. Decade upon decade, the pitfalls of fertilization tormented growers until 1802 when German explorer and scientist Alexander von Humboldt strolled down a waterfront in Peru and felt his nose hairs curl in ammonia rebellion and an odor emanating from barge loads of yellow-brown cake guano. Von Humboldt was told the stinking bird droppings covered the nearby Chincha Islands in deep layers and were massively popular with Peruvian farmers. So this is interesting. So that's how they started doing this. So this is in the 1800s. Can I read the next sentence? Sure. Okay. A little dabble do ya. Curiosity building

the nostril-burning von Humboldt took home a scoop of guano to Europe and turned the spigot on Agricultural fountain of youth I he sparked a vertical fertilizer war you know what's the interesting most interesting stuff about fertilizer is It's shit to me. Yeah Do you know that soil that they have in the Amazon that was created by man? No yeah, it's called terra preta and created by man? No. Yeah, it's called terra preta and Graham Hancock told me about it. It's there's a very specific soil in the Amazon that they think people from you know thousands of years ago figured out how to make and this is like some sort of a compost process and it's a very dark soil called terra preta and this dark soil that exists on the surface layer of a lot of the Amazon was

put there by man and not just put there by man but created like they had a process that they have not replicated to this day they don't know what it is or how they did it but they're very aware that there was a process involved in making this stuff and that it's not a natural process of this stuff forming. At least that's what he said. That's what he said. Interesting. But let me show him some terra-praida.

It's pretty fascinating. So it's a dark, dark earth. Yeah. It's very interesting because you see it and you're like, that's what it looks like. So you see the terra-praetor is on the surface, and then you go below it, and you just get like regular dirt. But this terra-praetor made everything very, very rich.

And you know, it grew so much plants. It's just like, do you know that the Amazon is mostly human planted plants that grew out of control? Yeah. That's the- Who planted it? The original settlers of the Amazon. This is the theory, right? So they know now that the Amazon was heavily populated. They didn't used to think that. They used to think there was just this crazy wild jungle and there's

indigenous populations to live inside of it. Well, at one point in time there were cities. So there's grids. They found indications of some sort of transportation of water. They had streets. They had grids that indicate there were structures there all throughout from the use of LIDAR. Oh, sure. From satellite.

Yeah, well, it's from actually drones. So they fly over with drones, and they scan the area. They probably could use satellites, too. But they use drones. They scan the air, and even airplanes. They scan the area and then they get these images that show these geometric patterns that exist below. And so they've unearthed a lot of these and so now they think there were millions of people

living in the Amazon and that what probably happened was Europeans came over and gave them all smallpox. Yeah, that's the theory. Just like they did with 90% of Native Americans. But what was done there was done in a place where they had made this environment with terra preta and just because of the you know the lush rainforest is like it rains constantly and vegetation grows so well that as soon as they were gone within a couple hundred years everything's consumed by the jungle and then you have lead thousands and thousands and thousands of years in the future there's nothing left and

That's what they think they're looking at when they're looking at these large sections of the Amazon that have these Patterns and structures that indicate civilization. Yeah It's pretty wild. Yeah, I start my mornings looking at Yeah. It's pretty wild. Yeah, I start my mornings looking at archaeology. You do? Yeah, I look at archaeology, but the archaeology that I look at in Lydar is in Europe, because I collect ancient coins from Europe, from Italy and Germany and so forth and Spain.

And I've seen the photos where they go over and they see the foundation, as you said, in the structures that are man-made structures Yeah, so it's neat stuff. It just makes you wonder How many of those exist out there, you know in the Mexican jungles and in the Guatemalan jungles and that we don't even know about Toltecs, Aztecs, Mayan. Yeah, there's probably a ton of them back there there's probably a bunch of stuff because the Amazon is so huge and most of it is not explored. Most of it is, you know, there's a bunch of different uncontacted tribes that live in there. In fact, my friend Paul Rosalie, do

you know who Paul Rosalie is? No. Is he the one with the archaeology? No. He's essentially working to save the brain forest and what he does is he goes down there and he hires these people that were loggers to have a new job and the new job is to protect the forest instead. And they've saved like shit, I don't know what the number is, but an incredible large number of acres they've saved this way. And they continue to do this and they're trying to work with these people and try to stop them from just destroying the Amazon. I think Sting donated a large amount of money to the Brazilian Amazon

and a lot of entertainers who have donated a lot of money to protect it. So my friend Paul he runs in the uncontacted tribes all the time. Really. Many times. I'd love to go there. He sent me a video the other day that I can't share. It's crazy. Uncontacted tribes, these naked people in the jungle in 2025. Yeah. It's really wild. They live in isolation. Yeah, but well, you know, isolation from what? From us assholes? From us. Yeah, but they live the way people lived, you know, a hundred thousand years ago. And I would, God, if I could be a fly on the wall, can you imagine the documentary? If we get really good at drones,

to the point where you can have a bunch of drones that really do look like insects, and fly them in there and film these folks, and just without them being, but the problem then, people would wanna go visit them. You know, and then they'd fuck everything up. Yeah, you have to keep it hidden, like your video you were you were talking about because the that's the reason why he doesn't want the video to get understood he doesn't want people to know that there's these beautiful

out there and there's a lot of them he said well one of his friends was killed one of his friends was murdered by these people with the darts with no they got with arrows with Karari on they could do that but they you know they shot him with bows and arrows they just fucking killed him um and you know this is a guy that was like giving them stuff too it's like he was bringing over rafts of food and they're like you know what today fuck you yeah you know we killed a bunch of fish today we don't need your

bananas have you seen him where the ones the Indians living in the Amazons they're shooting down the monkeys for food. Oh yeah, they love monkeys. They don't need anything. They've already established a culture of hunting, harvesting, and building their homes or building their towns.

You know what I found out recently? The term Indian is not because Columbus thought that he was in India I'd been told that in fucking high school So what is it? It's the children of God It's what is the original term of Indios. There's like I forget the term But it's not about India But it's not about India. It's just they called them Indians because they're the people that were living here in this place that they had named the indigenous. But as you know, like everybody thinks like America, you know, like you think of Native Americans, you know, that we used to call them Indians because they thought we landed in the Columbus landed in India or he thought he landed in India. Did he really?

What's that? What's that? It says that the Portuguese word indios, but because Columbus was Portuguese. Right, but what is it? There's a term though. There's a term like the people of God, the Portuguese words indios.

That's what the AI said. Yeah, but there's another term. There's something that has to do with indios. See, AI, AI is wrong about stuff sometimes. Where did the term? That's what I just typed in the word. Right, right, right. Just type in, why are Native Americans called Indians?

That's not going to get you there either. Indian fortune of the word Indian. Right. So I was listening to this guy talk about this in a lecture. I wish I saved it. I absorb too much information and don't follow up through on another. I'll go with our shredded post. It was this one, What does it say? Always had the impression that we use the term Indian because Europeans were mistaken in the land in India. However, this HuffPost article explains that it wasn't possible

that we use the term Hindustan for India. That's what it is. And that Europeans used the term Indio earlier on, which had morphed into Indian. That's right. It was Indio. So click on the HuffPost article. The name Indian and political correctness. 2007. Right. Well, this guy was, it was a lecture this guy was giving. Whoever wrote this, could it be the guy that gave the lecture? Could be. Sometimes that happens.

Right. Could be. Yeah, go. What is he saying? What's his term? Because there was something that had to do, that's right, los niños in Dios. Okay, who called them los niños, spelling may be wrong, the children of God. The description by the Padre means something like the children of God. After many years of use, the word indios emerged and to this day the indigenous people south and central America are called indios. So this is what this guy was saying. So it said, stop, scroll back, go back. So it said, here I'm a firm believer that most historians are wrong when they credit Christopher Columbus for corning the word Indian because he thought

he was landing ships in India. By 1492, there was no country known as India. Instead, that country was called Hindustan. I think that it's close to the truth that Spanish Padre that sailed with Columbus was so impressed by the innocence of the natives, he observed, that he called them los ninos indios, meaning, the spelling may be wrong in the Spanish words, but the description by the Padre means something like the children of God. After many years of usage, the word indios emerged, and to this day, the indigenous people of South and Central America are called indios. I'm told that as the word wound its way north, it evolved into indian. Of course, some will say that there was a place in the East Indies in 1492, and Columbus may have thought he was headed for that region.

So how and when did the effort to politicize the name start? In fact, some of it started when Native Americans enrolled in some of the white colleges. I think they found the word Indian offensive and set about to remake it. They found that the word Indian was often used in a derogatory fashion such as drunken Indian or rotten Indian. Perhaps the white people would have found it more difficult to say drunken Native American. Yeah, those white people. Yeah, those dirty white people. Absolutely.

Their problem. And finally, when some Indian journalists made it to the newsrooms of large and prestigious mainstream newspapers, they reacted to the word Indian as they did when they were in college. They went to their editors and tried to impress upon them the paper should no longer use the word Indian, but instead switch to Native American or Native. Interesting. The problem even with Native American is Native for how long? So like if you believe the bearing land mass theory that they came across that way that in a lot of Native Americans and this was actually tested because of Mormons. So there was a wealthy Mormon who spent a bunch of money on DNA testing for Native Americans because he was sure that it

was going to relieve, it was going to show that they were from the lost tribe of Israel. Because he believed that, you know, the Mormon teaching is that like the Indians and Native Americans are lost tribes of Israel. But then he found out when they did the DNA testing, no, they're from Siberia. Like a lot of them are from Siberia. So that would make sense. They crossed the Bering Land Bridge, their ancestors did, and they wound up in North America. Well my people came from communist Podolsk in Russia. Well that's connected. Yeah it was from there from Siberia. Yeah we bought Alaska for like 50 bucks. Yeah that was like the deal of a lifetime. They talk about... Manhattan might be the better deal like financially it's worth a lot more. Yeah but goddamn Alaska is bigger than Texas. Alaska's huge.

And you've gone there hunting, right? Oh yeah, I've gone there a few times. It's an incredible place. Alaska's incredible. It's really wild. That's the last real frontier. If you want to get away, move to a small town in Alaska. Go live next to Sarah Palin.

I can see Russia from there, so I should become Secretary of State. Remember when she said that? You can see Russia. Bitch, you can't even see the rest of Alaska. Alaska is huge. What are you saying? I loved it there. It's gorgeous.

The salmon fishing. I loved the people. The people are just different, man. They're just rugged people. They're more reliable They're built better like you have to like you usually like you know how certain genes expressions are turned on and off due to stress Imagine their genes they're dealing with fucking grizzly bears and moose and shit This is I'm sure you've seen this video of this guy goes outside of his house in the morning and two

Gigantic moose are duking it out of his driveway head to head head to head but bouncing off cars and shit This guy's like whoa, and he lives in a neighborhood It's like this guy isn't in the woods somewhere like on his own He's in a fucking neighborhood these moose are duking it out. I love that in my neighborhood The old neighborhood in Chatsworth, we had brown bears coming in. No, you didn't. You had black bears. No, brown bear of California. No, no, no, no, no. What do you mean no, no, no, no?

No, no. Brown bears have been extinct in California since the 1800s. They look brown and they're black? Yes. The last guy to die from bear attacks, from a brown bear, was Stephen Levesque, and he died in what's now Levesque, California They named the town after him and it's right outside a to hone ranch. I'll have so they the picture Well, I'll tell you what it is. It's called a color-faced bear. So it's a difference. It's a different bear Okay, so there's a brown bear, which is a grizzly bear and the the Kodiak bear, right? You know those bears these are enormous, but they're all the same bear the difference between a grizzly bear and the Kodiak bear and you know those bears these are enormous but

they're all the same bear the difference between a grizzly bear and a brown bear is just mostly what they eat so the brown bears in like Alaska have so much salmon that they have immense amounts of protein and they're the largest of all the brown bears they're fucking huge they're much much much much bigger than a black bear. Yeah we had Parks and Rangers come to our house because one of our refrigerators failed, so we had all this great beef in there, so I had to throw it out. Oh, and the bears found it. The bears found it. It was in a canister, and they came there, so I took videos of these, what I thought were brown bears coming in.

No. So you're saying they're not. What's the... No, they're brown color phase. So brown bears can be... Excuse me, black bears. Black bears can be brown. Most of them are black. Some of them are even blonde.

There's blonde color phase bears that they find up in Alberta, but they're black bears. So a black bear is less aggressive than a grizzly bear a grizzly bear is a brown bear and they were killing so many people In California that they wiped them out. That's what happened Well, this one jumped over a six-foot fence But before it jumped over the six-foot fence it ended up eating Chicken and filet mignon and rib eye and everything. The only thing it didn't eat was the garlic naan Well tell you what that bears gonna be back it came back three times Yeah on the third time Parks and Recreation came by with a

Dart gun to try and put it down so that they can transport it to someplace else. Did they get it? No, no, it jumped over the fence. Yeah, I've never seen a bear jump six feet Oh, they can move man. It's 250 pounds at least as up what he said. Oh, they can move they move very very very fast It was unbelievable. You'd be amazed at how fast they can move like when they're chasing after another bear or something's happening There they move very fast and then there was it jumped into our swimming pool. Mm-hmm. It was just yeah I had a swimming but in Pasadena, they have a lot of those. A lot of them. Pasadena? There's a funny video of this guy in Pasadena.

He's walking down a street, and he turns into Ali, and he's just staring at his phone. And he's walking with his phone, and this guy gets within like 30 feet of a fucking bear. Wow. And he just freaks. See, you can find it. It's hilarious.

I was like 10 feet away. In Pasadena? In full-on Pasadena? like in full on Pasadena, not like the outskirts and the bush. Right. No, like actual street, city street in Pasadena, black bear. Yeah, so what do you do when it's looking you face to face? Well, you usually make a noise

and try to startle it and frighten it and get the fuck out of there. Like, hey bear, you say, hey bear. That's what people do, they say, hey bear. The thing is, bears that have been accustomed to people, so that right there is a black bear. That is not a brown bear. The one that I saw, and I think I might have it on my cell phone, but it was lighter than

that. Yeah, like I said, they get even blonde. So that's a brown, black, that's a color phase black bear. It's intimidating Yeah, well, let's see the difference though pull up grizzly bear. So grizzly bear is a completely different motherfucker Yeah, so on the state flag of California grizzly bear. That's a grizzly. Yes. That is the brown bear That is no luck. Look at the size of those motherfuckers. See that's a different thing. Wow, see the difference in the size size of those motherfuckers. See that's a different thing. Wow. See the difference in the size? So that's a black bear and that's a grizzly bear. Grizzlies are much much bigger, much more aggressive, much more dangerous. But interestingly enough

black bears turn out to be more predatory towards humans. So when a black bear attacks people usually it's trying to eat them. Whereas when a grizzly attacks people generally like a large percentage of the attacks are, I'm good, a large percentage of the attacks are people accidentally stumbling upon a mother in their cubs. That's the worst case scenario. Because it's protective. Yeah, you get near a mama bear, whoo! That's so terrifying because they just try to eliminate the threat immediately and they just go after you and fuck you up

They don't they don't look at you and go. What are you doing? What's this about? They have to protect their cubs Mm-hmm, and there's so much Cannibalism in the bear world they eat their babes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah male grizzlies eat Cubs and they they hunt cubs and so there's so much cannibalism of cubs from male grizzlies that the females are always on edge Because everywhere they go their fear is that they run into a male who's gonna eat their cubs Grizzlies are fucking ruthless. Well these assholes that think they want to bring Grizzlies back to California, right? This is like a movement now to bring Grizzlies back California. This is like a movement now to bring Grizzlies back, because just like they brought wolves back to Colorado, these people are retarded and they've never spent a second

in the woods. They don't know what the fuck they're dealing with. They don't know what you're bringing back and what the consequences are going to be of those things. And look, there's places they exist and they're great. It's awesome. Go to Montana, you can see them. Go to Wyoming, you can see them. They and starting to make their way into Colorado a friend of mine saw one in the San Juan Mountains You got video footage of it. Yeah, I know you go with your archery hunting. Mm-hmm There's no hunting the bears. Yo, there's a lot of bears not lower 48. So they're trying to change They're trying to change that in Montana because they have so many Instances and you know and attacks and a woman was killed a couple years ago, she was dragged out of her tent.

Yeah, it's scary shit, man. And I'm not advocating for the eradication of grizzlies. I'm just saying that with our modern society, when they haven't existed in an ecosystem, to reintroduce that to the ecosystem, you're going to cause chaos. You're going to cause chaos. You're going to cause havoc. And if you want healthy breeding populations of them, good luck. Good luck. Because now everything changes.

All your livestock changes, your dogs change, your dog is going to get eaten. Anything you have a dog chained up in the backyard, that's meat on a stick. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. That's over. They're going to do that They're going to target your garbage. You're not gonna be able to get rid of them. They're gonna keep coming back

It's they're dangerous animals and they're beautiful and amazing and an important part of the ecosystems that they exist in currently Like Montana and Wyoming with its elk populations and a lot of food for them. Yeah. Alaska. Yeah. I personally can't see for myself going out hunting for bears or elks or moose. And I know you do that, but there's such incredible animals. They're just incredible. And they are. Yeah. I just can't see if you don't down the way they die without me is way worse. I get them I'm gonna get them with an arrow and they're gonna be dead in seconds Yeah, if they get attacked by a bear a mountain lion, it's fucking brutal. It's brutal and the worst I mean, they might just freeze to death. That's how most of them go I know I shot an elk a couple years ago that was 11 years old and he had almost no teeth left His teeth were ground down because you know, they're just they don't live long

and part of it is because they can't grind food after a certain age. Yeah because no teeth. No teeth. Yeah. Because their teeth are I mean they're just digging into the ground and pulling out shrubs and grasses and they're constantly mashing and smashing and over the period of you know 11 years his his teeth had worn down to the roots. So you've gone after bears? I've hunted bears before. You've hunted bears? I've eaten bears before. And you've eaten it? Yeah. What's the meat like? It's like beef.

It's like a like a like a pig fucked a cow. That's what it's like. It's like a weird kind of beef. Okay maybe a deer fucked a cow. It's good though. But it's dependent upon the diet of the animal. So like the people that hunt grizzly bears and they've eaten grizzly bears or brown bears, they say they taste so fishy, it's almost intolerable. But you could turn them into sausage. You could do with the right spices and stuff.

Like bear sausage is great. But you also have to be careful because of trichinosis. You have to make sure you cook it to 160 plus degrees to kill off the trichinosis. Because I know several people that got trichinosis from bear meat. Heart? Well, it's just parasites in your muscles. And

it doesn't have too many adverse effects. It means very painful and brutal for the beginning exposure, the beginning infection. But then the thing is like if you're a cannibal and you eat that dude and you don't cook them right, you're gonna get it from him, which is really crazy. One of the reasons why I don't eat pig that you got after me and the last time we were here, pig has a lot of parasites. Sure. And a lot of them aren't cooked to the level to kill the parasites, cysticercosis and so forth.

And trichinosis. And trichinosis. Yeah, especially wild pigs. Yeah. You know what the number one source of trichinosis is for people in America? No. Black bears. Isn't that crazy?

Think about how few people eat black bears. Yeah. But it's the number one source of trichinosis in America for people that test positive for it. So it's through contamination? From food, from eating them. From eating them. Yeah, because there's a lot of people that hunt black bears. Wow.

Yeah. Want to really get blown away? You know what has the state has the largest population per capita of black bears in the country? Wyoming, Manhattan? New Jersey. No way. Yep, New Jersey. New Jersey. New Jersey has an infestation of black bears. New Jersey, we played this video a hundred times, but these giant bears that are duking it out in a beautiful suburb of far Rockaway, New Jersey. So it's like nice, nice normal, not like the woods, not

like you know, fucking residential area, area. Yeah, not the mountains. Residential area, they knock over this mailbox and they're duking out in the street. Big fucking bears. Big bears. A guy recently shot the state record black bear in New Jersey and it was 800 pounds. Yeah, you should see it. Pull that video up, the photo rather, up of this guy's bear. So I'm pretty sure that was archery as well

They banned bear hunting in New Jersey when the new governor came into place that lasted for about a year And then the human interactions bears were so frequent and so that they really restarted their hunting program It's an important tool get the size of their look at the fucking size of 70 770 dressed Wow Look at the size of that bear. Whoa. Look at the fucking size. 770. 770 dressed. Wow.

That's 770 after they gutted it. And they added another 800 pounds for its intestines and organs. Another 100 pounds rather. So it's field dressed, the bear, before it was officially weighed in at 770. So it's probably quite a bit heavier than that. Pretty nuts. So if you see there's other pictures of it where you really get a better size of it,

see if you can find some other pictures of it. That is huge. Yeah, some other pictures have it laid out and you can see what it looks like. It's a fucking giant bear. But it's because they have so much food there. And a lot of these bears exist, look at the size of that thing.

A lot of these bears exist around humans. And you've gone after a black bear? Not that big. The black bears that I've shot are like 200 pounds, 250 pounds. Babies. Well, they didn't look like babies. Yeah, I know. But yeah, you eat them, man.

And it's also, it's an important part of conservation because if you don't control their populations No one does this is the thing about bears. They are the top of the food chain So if you're not controlling them, no one does and so what they do is they eat each other that's the only control of bears is the Infanticide of the cubs by the males So and the females too, by the way, you want to hear a crazy thing my friend Jonathan He watched this bear in this female bear because so the male bear came around the female bears trying to fight him off and She eventually can't and the male bear gets a hold of one of her cubs and kills it and she chases him off of her

Dead cub right then she eats her cub. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. That's the real world. That's the real world. She ate her cub right in front of him. He came back to camp and he was like, fuck. So that's the balance that has to be struck. Where was it?

Montana where they had open season for elk or for moose? No. Was it moose? No. Was it moose? No, there's no open season. There's no like. Which state was it? Where they had open season. Open season means.

Where you didn't need a permit. Right. They had a cold. There's no way. They would never do that with elk. Elk is a very valuable. So it's moose. No, no, no, no.

They would never do that with moose either. They would never do that with it. They wouldn't, they do it in some communities with white tailed deer. And the reason why they do it in some communities with white-tailed deer, and the reason why they do it is because they're completely overpopulated, and oddly enough, this happens a lot in the suburbs. There's places in the suburbs, yeah,

where there's people who bow hunt in the suburbs. Because look, if you're bow hunting, your arrow doesn't go more than 100 yards. It's not like you have to worry about you shoot and someone a mile away gets hit by a bullet if you miss. Your arrow drops, it arcs, right? Archery, it arcs. So it drops down to the ground. It only goes so far. And so it's safer if you have competent hunters who are skilled to hunt in the suburbs. And you know, most of these suburbs have wooded areas and they're infested with deer.

So I think it was Pennsylvania, the states that were bringing in bow hunters. In New York, and in all their wisdom, these fucking dorks, and in the area around the Hamptons, they have this issue, but the people are so fucking retarded. Long Island.

Yeah, well it's just the Hamptons, because they're rich. It's like if you had regular Long Island, regular Long Island would probably say, yeah, we should hunt them, because they're food. I'm from if you had regular Long Island, regular Long Island would probably say, yeah, we should hunt them because they're food. I'm from Queens. Yeah, there you go. So they decided they were gonna just try to sterilize

the deer and give them birth control. They came up with all these wacky concepts, but they didn't want to bring in bow hunters. But wasn't there in the last, what, five years, there was an overpopulation of moose or deer, elk? There's never been an overpopulation, no, no, no, no. There's been times where they had seasons in winter for elk in Montana and the reason it was a complete depopulation effort, so they had had, this is before the reintroduction of wolves though, so the reintroduction of wolves,

which is in the 1990s, has significantly impacted the elk population. And now it's actually more difficult to get a tag. But back then, they would have certain seasons that we'd have in the winter. So you'd be able to get these elk that were out there in the snow moving very slowly in the deep snow, and you could just kind of pick them off. And it was basically just a meat hunt. And it was a lot, they killed a lot of cows that way,

cow elk, and it was just a way for people to get meat and also they were trying to put a dent on the population because it wasn't sustainable so they would have an elk herd of you know thousands of elk where it really should have been like 800 elk with the sustainable sustainability of the area and the bear couldn't keep up they couldn't eat enough of them the mountain lions could need enough of them and then they brought in the wolves and the bear couldn't keep up they couldn't eat enough of them the mountain lions couldn't eat enough of them and then they brought in the wolves and the wolves were way better than everybody else because they hunt together and they started really chipping away at them and now they've knocked the elk population down I think it's in the neighborhood or they dropped

it by 40% plus. What was the need for reducing the elk population? Well if you don't have a balanced ecosystem right if you don't have a balanced ecosystem, right, if you don't have enough predators and you have a large animal like an elk, like a bull elk is an 800 pound animal and a cow elk, a mature cow elk is north of 300 pounds, 400 pounds, this is a lot of food and they can decimate vegetation and there is a documentary that's kind of like pooh-poohed by people, but interesting nonetheless. It's how wolves changed rivers, and it's all about how the Yellowstone ecosystem changed because of their introduction to wolves, and more songbirds came in because there was more vegetation because the introduction to wolves, they killed off a lot of the elk. The elk had been just like maybe overbalanced in the fact that like overrepresented, they

were eating too much vegetation. It's all interesting, but what you really want is things to happen naturally. And then when there's a problem, you know, really the best way to handle the problem if there's like an overabundance of these animals is to bring in hunters. The other solution would be to bring in predators. The problem with bringing in predators is if you have a predator like wolves that has been forever maligned because they go after livestock and they do target ranchers, like there's an article I read today actually about these ranchers that were kind of optimistic about wolves being introduced into Colorado and now they vehemently oppose it because they've seen the impact. And one

of the reasons why they saw the impact is because the governor of Colorado and all his fucking infinite wisdom, he had a mandate to get these wolves introduced during a certain amount of time and they didn't have the wolves so they got wolves from Oregon that they had captured while they were preying on livestock. So these wolves were already accustomed to preying on livestock and those are the wolves they reintroduced into Colorado. They reintroduced wolves that had already been, they had already been like naturalized to killing livestock.

And so what'd they start doing? They started finding livestock and killing them again. Duh. But that's the thing, it's like you're fucking around with nature and you don't know how this calculation is gonna end. A good example is Australia. Australia is a fucking mess because they kept bringing

in animals and then they'd bring in animals to kill the animals and then they'd have an overpopulation of certain animals so they bring in cats and now they have an overpopulation of feral cats to the point where they hunt feral cats. Like if you look at an Australian bow hunting journal, you know they have bow hunting magazines, my buddy Adam Green Tree, shout out to Adam Green Tree, my buddy Adam gave me a magazine from Australia, Bow Hunting. I'm like, bro, what the fuck is this? It's all cats. These guys are holding up house cats because they kill feral cats whenever they can. Because feral cats have decimated ground nesting birds and they've destroyed just a shit ton of native animals that were in that area. They brought them in to kill some other animal they brought in. It's like, you can't fuck around with nature like that.

You don't know what the consequences are. And when you do ballot box biology, which is essentially what this stuff is. So the reintroduction of wolves is something people voted on. The people that voted on are living in fucking Denver. All right, they don't encounter wolves. They don't know what they're doing. It's like the same thing happened in Vancouver. So in British Columbia they outlawed grizzly bear hunting. Why they do that? Because, man, why would

you kill it? They call it trophy hunting. But it's important to manage the predators. And the people that knew this were the people that lived in the rural areas that were vehemently opposed to this ban. And then what happens? Well, you got ballot box biology. You get people that have no experience with bears, don't encounter bears, don't have to worry about bears. And they say, yeah, let's not ban them anymore. Now you got bears breaking into people's houses and there's much more of them than ever before.

And people are freaked out. You can't do anything about it. Yeah, I freaked out when the bear came to the house. Yeah, you should. I was like, whoa. You should. And then seeing this fucking bear, 250 pounds swimming in my swimming pool,

going back and forth, and then the Department of Parks and Rangers came in to try and deal with it. They said, stop feeding it. I'm not feeding it. I put the fucking beef into the garbage can because it's no longer You know, it wasn't frozen. Right there kept on cut. Don't put it there. Where should I put it? Yeah, what do you put to me? Put it at your asshole neighbor's house

You have some guy that's annoying go use his garbage in the middle of the night. I've got a bad neighbor I'm gonna have to put it into there You should dress up though dress up like a cool clan member or something like that No, dress up as a cool Club member or something like that Bear to go into a Rolls Royce to destroy the Rolls Royce Remember that no, you didn't see that yes. Oh, that's right a guy was wearing a bear suit Insurance fraud they brought in the bear expert and said that bear would not have gone into the Rolls Royce and done those scrape marks on it. So this guy was trying to get rid of his car? He was

trying to get insurance money. Oh what a moron. What a silly bitch. Yeah yeah I've learned right now so much more about bears you know incredible. Yeah they're wild animal yeah I mean not wild just wild but fascinating. I love them you know Teddy Roosevelt and you know when he did his bear hunting. Mm-hmm loved it bears such You know what the scariest bear to run across is? Take a guess polar bear. Oh white bear. Yeah, you know why no because they don't need anything but meat At least good bears if you find a grizzly bear that's in a blueberry field You probably don't have to worry about them. They eat blueberries?

Oh yeah, they'd be gorging on blueberries. But black bears and grizzly bears are omnivorous. So they eat vegetation and they also eat meat. Polar bears are just carnivores. And they're hyper aggressive. They just eat seals and occasionally people. But they hunt people. No way. Oh yeah, they'll go after you. They smell you from a but they hunt people. Yeah. No way. Oh yeah they'll go after you. They smell you from a distance to hunt you. Bad body odor or something. Just you smell. Everybody smells. You know you'd be amazed at how much a bear can smell. There was a video where my friend was, I think they were in Montana, maybe Idaho, and a bear was 700 yards away plus,

and the wind hit the back of his neck, and the bear started running. And he's like, did that fucking bear wind us? Like the bear caught their smell from 700 yards away. And went after him. No, the other way. It was a black bear. It ran away. Black bears run away. Smart, after them? No, the other way. It was black bears. Ran away. Smart. Yeah. Absolutely. Human? Run. Yeah, well in any area where the

bears get hunted they run away. Sure. You know like in Alaska if they smell you generally they run away because people hunt bears in Alaska. They don't have an experience with getting hunted. Black bears do, but grizzly bears don't in the lower 48. In the lower 48 48 is not legal to hunt them yet But they're trying to chris grisly's okay. Yeah Interesting yeah, it's a Great new information for me. It's important to know yeah, because I go out world out there So it's a wild world and you know you live in the city, and you think it's cute Oh, let's go cute let's go for a hike yeah all sudden you meet a fucking mountain lion well we have

mountain lions where oh fuck yeah yeah mountain lion Bobcat deer bobcats a lot of you have a lot more deer if it wasn't for the mountain lions and that's what the wildlife lovers want they want nature to balance itself out the problem is they your cats and dogs too. A lot of them. In San Francisco, it was like 50% of the problem cats that they caught, they found out their diet was pets. 50% of their diet was pets.

I lost two cats. Yeah, coyotes mostly, right? The coyotes were the ones. They were indoor cats and every now and then they would go out and gone, gone. Owls get them too. Do they really? They swoop in and pick them up and take them away.

A buddy of mine has a friend who works in tree service and they found a nest, an owl nest, it was filled with cat collars. They had like 10 cat collars in there. Yeah, we've had owls where we are. We're in Santa Susanna Pass. Oh yeah, yeah, a lot of owls up there. A lot of owls.

Do you know owls are stupid? No. Yeah, they're dumb. You know that whole thing of wise old owl? They're one of the dumbest birds. They don't learn things. They're stupid. I talked to a lady who's a falconer,

and she trains birds, and she has an owl, and she's like, it's the dumbest bird I have. She's like this idea that owls are wise. She's like they're the second dumbest bird. Who's number one? I forget. Ostrich? See if you can find it. It's in the ostrich family. It's another animal that's in the ostrich family. Ostriches might be dumber than owls. They're really dumb. Always got their head in the sand. Well they're also big. Yeah. They owls. It's they're really dumb always got their head in the sand. Well, they're also big. Yeah, they're big They don't they don't fuck the other and they'll kill you. What's kick you to death? What's the other breed? That's it's not ostrich, but it's in the same family. That's away

It's cause away. I think that's what that's the one that's dangerous. They kill people That's you ever seen that fucking weird bird. No, is that what it's in that am I saying it right? Cassowary, that's cassowary. Yeah, they're freaky. Look man. They're freaky looking Yeah, they're a big-ass bird too, but they kill people the people have died by being attacked by these birds And what pecks them on their face? I think they claw them. I think they attack you with their claw It might be their face to their face looks like a fucking hatchet they attack you with their claw. It might be their face too. Their face looks like a fucking hatchet. Wow, beautiful bird. Beautiful. God, look at his eyes. Wow. I'm looking at you. Yeah. Wow, look at the comb. Google cassowary kills people. And where did they

found just in Australia? I don't know where that one is. A massive flightless emu-like creature. That's the word as the most dangerous bird in the world owing to the fact that it can seriously injure kill a human or a dog in an instant with his deadly claws yeah it's the claws yeah they just rip you apart so they go for your guts you know that's the same like yeah yeah look at their tips. Oh my God, they got fuckin' talons for claws. Jeez. Five inch.

They can eviscerate a human being with a single kick. Although there's no record of this happening. What was it, because the people are dead. Are they gonna run 13 miles an hour? Killed a 75 year old man who was raising one. In Florida. He tripped and fell on it, and the bird cracked. Oh, Jesus Christ.

It's come to his head. Yeah. Wow. That's a bird I'm not gonna collect. Yeah. What's the dumbest bird, Jamie? So it's, it said owls are smart when I Google it. Lies.

Owls are dumb or smart. Lies, lies. It said they're almost as smart as a crow or a raven. A horse shit. But I did see some stuff saying they're not that smart dumb or smart. Lies, lies. Said they're almost as smart as a crow or a raven. A horse shit. But I did see some stuff saying they're not that smart or their brains are different, but they have really good eyesight and stuff. Oh yeah, they have killer eyesight.

No, owls are not dumb. Yeah, that's right. Lies, lies. I was talking to a lady. And she, one lady told you they're not dumb. Two ladies. Two different falconers. And if you have three, it's a done deal. Two different people, and now you like, in the last year I've hung ladies to two different Falconers And if you have three it's a done deal two different people and now you like in the last year

I've hung out with two different Falconers and their animals Yeah, believe it or not one of them had an eagle. Yeah, she had a female bald eagle. It was amazing Dude, we I caught it on my arm You know you put the glove on you have to put a different glove for the eagle than the other animals because it's cat Talons are so powerful, but having that thing land on your arm is Bill might be the dumbest bird shoe bill even though it makes that cool. I sound oh, yeah, they're cool Have you ever seen that fucking thing a shoe bill? They make a sound that sounds like gunshots like

They slap their jaws together, and they stand like that that's what it looks like see how the other things standing up that things like five feet tall you imagine a five foot tall bird with those evil eyes that giant face look at his fucking mouth look at that beak get a video that's the dumbest bird yeah there's multiple articles repeating the dodo was really dumb bird to dodo But can you do? Google shoe bill makes noise shoe bill noise Yeah, it's really cool. It sounds like a machine gun It's not clacking so they kind of shake the bottom and the top of that vehicle that bill backwards and forth

Shut the fuck up dude shut this dude up Shut this fuck up dude shut this dude up shut this dude up How crazy is that that is now imagine imagine that getting a hold of your face Imagine that or fuck any a appendage lower down. It's a big animal too man. They're big. What's the height on it? I think they're like five feet tall In that nuts and they they look like they're from a different time They look like they're like you went back at three point five to five feet tall. Yeah I think they look like they're from dinosaur times. Yeah, it doesn't even make sense. Like look at that thing You ever heard of a terror bird? No terror birds used to exist like more than a million years ago, right? I work in human

You know an enemy In meat fighting. Oh, yeah Yeah, and I want to complain about I was expecting to find some elk sticks out in your front. I've got some yeah First time I had it was... You have to complain. Yeah, well, I'm not complaining. But I asked and they said it's not available. Jamie, Google terror bird, like yeah, that image with a human being. Where is it? Right there. So that is what they used to look like. Imagine that. Whoa. A nine foot to ten foot tall giant flightless bird. And they called them terror birds.

Terror like T-E-R-R-O-R? Yeah, terror. Like you'd be terrified if you saw that fucking giant bird. Look at that thing. Yeah, fucking scared shitless. Killing horses and shit. Terror bird. Yeah.

It was huge. So where can we get one? They don't exist anymore. Oh, geez. When did they die off? Look at it Look like whoa That crazy imagine seeing that ten feet tall Wow, holy shit. I'll take two, please Look at the size of it. That's what they used to look like Well, that's a recreation obviously, yeah, I don't know where that is

Yeah, yeah fossil room what year did they go extinct 55 billion years ago I think it was a couple million yeah 55 billion years ago it says right there when the teraburg go extinct Cenozoic era when's that what date was that? Okay, is jane where 66 bit Oh a lot more lot longer 66 The current geological age of earth. Oh, it's the current geological age beginning 66 million years ago and continuing to the present So when did the terror birds go extinct? Does it say when did they go extinct? How do you pronounce that word? I think it says... Hold on, how do you pronounce that? Ph... Phorus...rus...itis? Phorus rusitis? How would you say it? You're a doctor.

Terror bird. I would say a terror bird. Oh, it's only thousands of years ago? One of them survived until they placed the scenesocene. Whoa. I mean, they could have been longer, driest, you know. Holy shit. One of them survived up until 6,000 years ago? Between 96,000 and 6,000. I thought it was millions. Until the late Pleistocene. Wow. 100,000 years ago. Oh, we're so lucky. Yeah, Neanderthal male man ate it up, right? No, I don't think Neanderthals were here. Wow We're so lucky yeah Man ate it up right now. I don't think any ender dolls were here. They're European. I think There's probably a bunch of assholes want to bring those back to You know They want to bring back the mammoth. That's probably next let's bring back. They've been working on that right yeah

Yeah, they'll probably just call it a different name. They won't call it a terror bird They call it something cute. Yeah, you know the conservation bird He's gonna make sure that all they call it big bird. Yeah Make him yellow some people love them Hello big bird Unbelievable. Yes, so natural world So speaking of which since we're talking about ridiculous shit and you are a doctor I wanted to bring this up to you because Jamie and I were exchanging text messages yesterday world. So speaking of which, since we're talking about ridiculous shit and you are a doctor, I wanted to bring this up to you because Jamie and I were exchanging text messages yesterday

about these mummies that they found in Peru that have three fingers. Neolians. Yeah, well, I don't know what they are, but they have three fingers and not three fingers because they cut the fingers off. They actually, their structure genetically is three fingers. And their cranial capacity, they have a large head, which a lot of times they think was due to, they would form their head and like press boards to make their head stretch out,

which they definitely did in some tribes. But the question is why were they doing that? And then were they doing it to replicate something else? So the thing about these is they had a cranial capacity that is larger than most human beings. That's alien. It looks like a fucking alien. That's correct. But is that real? Here's the question. Okay, three-fingered alien mummies, click on that article and see where they get in the center. I know it was in New York Post. So three-fingered alien mummies found in Peru have fingerprints that do not appear to be

human. So the fingerprints that it has, instead of spirals, I think they're lines. But scroll back, scroll back to where you were. Look at that image. That's x-ray image of their fingers. So these are like real bones and digits. So this isn't just a statue that someone made. This says real bone structure that is exact, like what a human being has, all those little tiny muscles in the midhand, right? I mean, that at all looks normal, but weird,

with the three fingers and three toes. And so if you scroll down, you'll see more images. So this is what it looked like when they found it. So the body is covered. Go back so I can read that, please. It says the body is covered with diatomaceous earth, a type of white powder made from the sediment of fossilized algae found in the bodies of water. The only possible explanation for the unusually straight fingerprints could possibly have something

to do with the way her skin was preserved, he said, noting that it's very odd. So the US medical examiner traveled to Peru last April to study the bodies with the lack of human fingerprints as puzzling. He said it would be extremely premature to make any statements about the mummy's origins. So they know for a fact that these things are biological and they're not created? Have they done any sort of DNA? Look at the picture of what it actually looks like. That's fucking crazy. That does look like an alien. I mean, that's exactly what people expect to see at their bed in the middle of the night

Yeah, you said it looks like an alien. Yeah, it is an alien if it's real It's so hard and no disrespect to the post But you know people bullshit not those those those I think have proven to be horseshit But if you scroll up scroll back to where you were back to where you were that thing. Okay, I Want to know what that is. Like what is that? If, because it's got three fingers and three toes, and it's got an alien face.

It looks like a gray. It has a tiny slot for a mouth, and tiny dots for a nose. It looks like the archetypal angel, or the archetypal alien, rather, that people see in like Close Encounters of the Third Time, Third Kind and what was that other movie? The Whitley Stryber movie, Communion. Communion. I didn't see that one. That's a weird one because Whitley Stryber is also a fiction writer and he wrote this book about his

own personal experiences with aliens which I want to believe him. Yeah that's a classical impression face-wise of an alien of gray as you say. 100%. Even with the shape of the eyes, like the eyes are kind of slanted, like not like a human's. Like they're at angles just like they always show them with these kind of, they look, you know. The big eyes, the ominous eyes. We have to have a major one of them around here somewhere, don't we?

Yeah, you probably have to. Aliens all over this fucking place. But that classic look is exactly what those mummies look like So they have straight fingers go back. What you just were Three figures Jesus Christ all these pop-ups in that crazy Yeah It says the humanoid three-fingered alien mummies have straight fingerprints does not match those of humans according to an attorney who reviewed One of the controversial specimens. Oh an attorney said that you believe him

I don't know. That's where the rest of this came from is because this guy didn't believe whatever I was saying. So he was like, we're going to go look. So Joshua McDowell, a former Colorado prosecutor and current defense attorney, examined one of the tiny strange bodies named Maria with three independent forensic medical examiners from the United States. Scroll. It said, he and the experts were shocked to discover that the fingerprints in the ET-like corpses were in perfectly straight lines. They were not traditional human fingerprint patterns, he told the Daily Mail.

But did they do an analysis of the tissue? Like did they find out that it's actually biological tissue? Can you scroll down further? It doesn't say anything like that. It doesn't say that? I was trying to go to different articles to find better. So I'm a forensic prosecutor. I'm a criminal defense attorney. I've seen lots of fingerprints and these were not classic fingerprints. Look how weird it is. Look at that image. That's

so crazy looking. And also, how did I just find out about this yesterday? You talked about it before. I know, but I never saw it look like this. What I saw with those other ones that I think have been proven, I might be wrong, but I think at it look like this what I saw were those other ones that I think have been proven I might be wrong, but I think at least allegedly had been proven to not be real and that the person who was Exposing those those little tiny ones that were like laying down straight that guy had a history of Doing some deceptive stuff

Allegedly, yeah, so but you believe that they're there. Do I believe? You believe that the aliens are here. I do not not believe. Do not not believe. So you're- I don't disbelieve. You're ambivalent as to the fact that they're here.

I believe that they're here. I wouldn't even say I'm ambivalent. I am open-minded. OK. But- You won't say yes. Yeah, I'm logical. I think there's a lot of deception going on.

OK. I think there's also the possibility that what we're dealing with is not as simple as we like to think. Yeah, these things. So these things I've heard are bullshit. I don't, might be, might be wrong. Trying to find out. Well, might that be misinformation? That journalist that unveiled the bodies and the guy who exposed the bodies the guy who exposed the bodies I think was the one the guy who came up with it That's I'm trying to figure out how So there's an issue of them being found in Peru and taken to Mexico. Oh, it's already that issue. Okay, and then Where they said they were found near Nazca in 2017. I'm trying to figure out, okay, who found them?

Nazca lines. Yeah, that was the thing about that alien looking one with the three fingers that was even more interesting to me because that's that area where there's these incredible patterns that are made on the ground that you can only see from space. Or not space, the air. You can only see looking down on them. So it's like, why would anybody even make those things and some of them look like a little the images look like animals and stuff Yeah spiders. Yeah weird stuff and some of them look like maybe even a person

Mexican doctors have examined two bodies that featured elongated heads and three fingers on each hand same thing three fingers They found no evidence of any assembly or manipulation of the skulls, but other scientists have panned the discovery as an elaborate stunt. Maosan70, who touted the purported extraterrestrials as the most important thing that has happened to humanity, has denied any wrongdoing. Scroll down. Look at that. How fucking weird. Yeah. I believe that there are aliens. Why do you believe that? Why do I believe that?

Why would be, why would we be the only people on a planet when there are millions and billions of planets out there? And we've reached a level of technology that allows us to send a ship to the moon, anticipation with Musk to go to Mars and so forth. How about there are other people on other planets who have accelerated, have been there millions of years longer than we have. Why isn't it that they're able to come to us to see what we're doing? We're going out to other planets to see what was on other planets. I believe that there are other people out there. According to the UFO aficionado, by the way, as you say, according to UFO aficionado, I

already started looking at you side-eyed. The analysis showed that the humanoids are not related to any known earthly species and that one-third of their DNA is unknown There you go. Well take it map it. Let's make a new one. Yeah, let's look at the Guys to ours get those maston guys and introduce some simian Biology into them and turn it into a new kind of alien. Yeah, just do it 23 and me Says these specimens are not a part of our evolutionary history of Earth It says, the specimens are not a part of our evolutionary history of Earth. The university has since distanced itself from Maassan, claiming its scientists took

no part in the research and never came in contact with the full corpses. In no case do we make conclusions about the origin of these samples, the university's National Laboratory of Mass Spectrometry with Accelerator said in a statement. The presence of carbon-14 allegedly detected in the specimens proved the samples were related to brain and skin tissues from different mummies who died at different times. What does that mean?

From one individual? Is that saying from one individual? The presence of carbon-14 allegedly detected in the specimens proved that the samples were related to brain and skin tissue from different mummies who died at different times. So they're all different, they come from different times and they're all different little mummies. So that's what they're saying. So what they're saying is that the carbon isotope dating is showing that.

That's what it is, right? Is that what they're saying? I think so. Okay. So how do you account for the fact that in Egypt and in the Mayan rooms and so forth on... Hold on. This is our buddy Ryan. US Navy pilot Ryan Graves, who attended the hearing to share his personal experience with alleged UFO sightings, later slammed Mao San's presentation as a stunt. He said yesterday's demonstration was a huge

step backwards for this issue. Graves wrote on X, formerly Twitter, I am deeply disappointed by this unsubstantiated stunt. Well he's a very legitimate guy, Ryan Graves is, and very intelligent, and if he's saying it's a stunt, now I'm super skeptical. He's a hit, okay, he has a history of making controversial claims about other alien remains that have been widely discredited, widely discredited. Okay. In 2017, he participated in a TV documentary about other specimens recovered near Peru's Nazca Lines, which experts have said to have been concocted out of modified mummies.

So I wonder if they're talking about that other thing when they're saying that. This is older than the one we were looking at. The one we're looking at, when did they find that one? When they find that alien? That's, I, it's at the same time. That's why I was trying to get into this and the sources aren't great. It's all, this is they're all coming from the same area around the same time, but they all look different Yeah, that looks super different that one looks more like the way something you'd find dead Like the way it's like even the way its legs are rotted away Like it doesn't look fake that one video we watched or you sent me was getting more towards like they could have been found in a burial type site than other

Groups used similar things. Where did they find this one though? This is the one I'm interested in. It doesn't say specific. But the fact that they did an x-ray and they show the actual fingers and toes and that it looks just like real fingers and real toes with actual bones, that's crazy.

Cubiform bones, the phalanx, they're consistent with looking at human hands. Right, but it's consistent with a human hand that would have three fingers, right? It doesn't have, there's not missing digits. So you say it's genetic abnormalities, so they only have three fingers? It could be.

Well, there's a group of people in Africa that have like bird feet. Have you ever seen them? No. They have toes, it's like a genetic mutation that exists, and it's thought to be like a prize thing. And these people have like two toes and their feet branch off like this. And there's a bunch of people in this village that have these feet that are like this.

I forget what they call them, like bird feet or I forget how they describe them. Yeah, these are the folks. So see that? Yeah. So now if you found these guys and there's not just one of them, substantial minority of Vodoma have a condition known as extra... you said that, you're the doctor. Ectodactyly. Ectodactyly, which means the middle three toes are absent and the two outer ones are turned in,

resulting in the tribe being known as the two-toed or ostrich-footed tribe. So go to images and see what that looks like. It's really wild because there's like a bunch of them hanging out together. Like look at their feet. So now if you found a body that had those you would say oh those are aliens. No but look at that alien if you go back to the one that was original with the eyes and the face and the size. Yeah definitely. These are grays okay. Well it certainly looks like what I would think a gray would be. Correct. And the fact that it doesn't have a thumb is odd too.

That is also one of the things that people have said about these things. Prohensel. There's also this, they always have said that they have very long fingers. And you look at his fingers in relation to the size of the body, they're very long. Long fingers and very long toes. Yeah. I mean. So, how do you account for the fact that there are multiple, you know, from the Assyrians

to the Egyptians to the Aztecs, Toltecs, Mayans, where they have on their structures, they have imagery of flying saucers, helicopters, on alien, you know, there's coupled with the they look alien I think the helicopter one I think is a fraud you think it's all fraud. I think that one is Why I think that's photoshopped. I think it is but think yeah, I'm pretty sure that's been shown but the planes That they found that are like wooden carved Planes like this look like airplanes that have they found in tombs that's fascinating they have a rudder they have a tail they have wings and it looks like a plane yeah so how do you that's crazy how do

you count for that well I don't know what we're looking at and I think there's more to reality than we see. I have a feeling that our senses are extremely limited and that there's other dimensions that we don't have access to that might have access to us. I don't necessarily discredit the idea of something traveling from another planet. I think we might be dealing with that too. I think we might be dealing with a bunch of different civilizations and entities that are at very different stages of evolution. So if life exists all

throughout the galaxy, we know a bunch of things, right? We know that planets have certain ages. We know that some planets are very old and some planets are much younger and we know that some planets are much closer to the Sun and some planets live in a very hospitable environment. We know that some planets like ours are essentially in a shooting gallery because there's nine hundred thousand near-earth objects or more that are flying around slamming into things and if it wasn't for Jupiter we'd be fucked. If it wasn't for Jupiter's enormous gravity and mass pulling everything into it that's like basically our catcher. It catches all the shit that flies into our solar system

and slams into Jupiter and of course the moon itself is pockmarked with. So imagine a planet that doesn't have that issue. Imagine a planet that has a different environment where there's not a bunch of shit flying around and they think that flying around stuff is largely a part of collisions like planets colliding with each other in the distant past and that's actually how earth got formed you got a bathroom yeah go go go go go this is a good time I'm investigating this stuff Jamie's investigating. Yes. I'm excited Investigate why would there be just a go pee go pee. Come on, buddy To the left this dude's already lit he's had three giant glasses of whiskey

And he's 78 years old. Yeah, I got a clearer picture of that egg to from God I hope my brain works that good, but I'm 78, you know I'm saying like that dude just he doesn't know any notes He's pulling all this information out of the ether. So the guy who took him but I'm 78 you know I'm saying like that dude just he doesn't know any notes He's pulling all his information out of the ether so the guy who took him. I mean wait which the egg no no Fuck the egg. This is the NASCAM AMI stuff. Oh, yeah He said he removed as many as 200 sets of remains from the cave Whoa some of the bodies have been smuggled out of Peru to France Spain and Russia In an interview with Reuters he said This is from what would you do 24? Let's ask this

What would you do if somebody got you one of them mummies if someone say Jamie? Give me that money that you won from Shane. Oh, look at that. Whoa The same thing though three toes. Yeah, look how long the fucking toes are I think that's where the x-ray comes from is these oh It's the same guy this McDowell guy. Oh the same guy keeps finding him Yeah, it's the same people little sus right they found about eight I think is what we're saying here And then the McDowell's father is saying they're a heart having a hard time getting them to the US to do more studies

Oh, yeah, super hard cut the fucking shit. They're already called Elon disappearing And then the McDowell's father is saying they're having a hard time getting them to the U.S. to do more studies. Oh, yeah. Super hard. Cut the fucking shit. They're already pissed about them disappearing. Let me call Elon. He'll shoot a rocket over there, pick those things up quick. Let me see the skull again.

Have they done an x-ray of the skull? Why wouldn't they do that? I had an x-ray on one of these. Of the skull? Oh, Jesus Christ. Holy shit, dude. It looks like a skull. It's one of the smaller ones though.

Yeah, but whatever. Look at that thing. What? What is that? Imagine if you found out those like anal toys and they're just freaks. I do believe one of these they were saying was made up of different animal parts. Come sit down and put a microphone on. So we're looking at x-rays of one of them is bullshit. Look at the fucking x-rays of the skulls man. Like you're a doctor, look at that. That looks like real shit. That looks like real. Yeah. It looks like real bones. Well yeah. Completely different. Yeah. X-ray shows it, the capillary, the space for the

brain. What is that thing across his chest? What's that thing? Instead of the sternum, it's their form of sternum. Yeah, I guess, right? Yeah, because the sternum holes are two sides, left and right together. Maybe it had surgery. Maybe it had surgery.

The implant. Jesus, yeah, maybe that's it's like neural link. Where's this from? So this is, I was like digging more, This is a slight. This is from this year Look at that one. Look at that show that to dr. Gordon Look at the same thing different finger the long fingers long toes same thing three Yeah, and real similar in the way they look So all these are coming out of Peru. They all came from this same area

So that's well when you disappeared they said they've gotten close to two hundred here. Well you just Come on It's like he left you yeah Look at that x-ray of the skulls, the skeletons, though, rather. Those look real. So fascinating. Yeah, those look real. It looks very weird. This is what I was seeing too.

The videographer isn't known. They don't know who shot this video. Mm-hmm. Well, it says, the videographer behind the new footage is unknown in no small measure due to the thorny legal and ethical dimensions of handling these allegedly historical and culturally priceless ancient remains." That makes sense. I don't know exactly shot the video, but there are context clues in the longer version. One source who had also been granted the tape told DailyMail.com.

They call them haqueros, who has long been involved in the promotion of these Nazca mummies, was convicted of assault on public monuments for taking artifacts in 2022. So if you take these artifacts, they go after you. The man received a four-year suspended sentence was fined about 20,000 Peruvian souls, just $5,190 U.S. dollars, according to Reuters. A clear example of the high risk, extra legal measures some have taken to seek either truth or profit from these aliens, that makes sense. So it's dangerous to pull them out, you can get in trouble.

So then I think that's what I was getting to too, was the journalist has a lawsuit? He's taking the Peruvian government to court, hoping to negotiate with Peru as he put it to be allowed to export the samples to be done in America. The lawsuit is already in for 300 million dollars. Wow, explain he's pursuing monetary damages to repair his enterprise's damaged reputation but intends to spend the cash on a museum for the mummies and hookers and a Ferrari. I want a Ferrari. Dr. McDowell himself has also recently pled with Peru's government an open letter published in one of the country's top newspapers asking for

official permission to study these specimens at top flight scientific facilities in the US. Well, I like that. I like that at least he's trying to get them, if it's true, that he's trying to get them studied. But you imagine if you were one doctor who did find these things you would receive a tremendous amount of skepticism And assholes like me like making fun of them. What's Hollywood? Yeah Interesting stuff man. So when you look at that as a doctor, does that look like horse shit to you or is look real? No, it looks real. I mean the x-rays that you were showing, you a doctor, does that look like horseshit to you or does it look real? No, it looks real. I mean, the x-rays that you were showing. The fact that they came from Nazca with all those lines and I know about it all.

And Machu Picchu. And Machu Picchu. Which is a really amazing place that they, to this day, don't really understand how they built it. Correct. Allison went there to Machu Picchu. So she was chewing on coca leaves and a candy and so forth. But I gave her Diamox so that she could acclimate. Diamox is the tablet you take to boost your...

Quartisip mushrooms are good for that too. There's a lot of things good for that. This is a pharmaceutical pill. But in my mind, knowing that it's NASCA lines and the association of possible aliens and then finding these corpses coming from NASCA, you put one and one together and it makes sense that. Sort of. Sort of.

It also makes sense that if you were gonna hoax things, that's where you would hoax them. Correct, I got it. And that's skepticism that you have for it. Well, I'm just being rational. I'm not being skeptical. I'm honestly not skeptical. I'm kind of open-minded about this stuff. So you don't believe that it's real? I don't know if it's real. Oh, yeah.

I like to think it's real, but that's the problems that I really want to think it's real. So what do you do? You say it's not real, but it looks real? I don't say nothing. Okay. I just talk shit. Yeah. That's what got you here. That's what we're. Okay, I just talk shit. Yeah That's what got to here Just talking shit. I don't know. I'm not an expert in biology I don't I mean the skeleton looks real to me

But what do I know if I was gonna make a fake skeleton could I do that with a bunch of like discarded bones? Maybe what I'm skeptical about is the way the joints they extend fingers. Well, not just the fingers Yeah, but they look like ours, right? Like the same way if you go back to that skeleton again, please correct joints they extend. On the fingers. Well not just the fingers yeah but they look like ours right like the same way if you go back to that skeleton again please correct if you look at it in the x-ray what you see is the bones they're formed that are very similar to the way ours are formed correct where at the end of it not none of the one of the actual skeletons Jamie yeah so like how the bones are at the top and where the joint is that looks like how our bones are at the top and where the joint is.

That looks like how our bones are. Like the hinge in the joint of the elbow looks exactly like how a human's is, except it's one bone instead of two, which is, let's be honest, probably a better design. You know, the two bones, that little one. I broke that little one before. You ever broke the little one? The little owner. Yeah, I broke the fibula too.

Whoa. Yeah. The small one. Yeah, the small one on the leg and Check it's a no kickboxing boxing not even checking a kick. I just we're kicking at the same time Let's put it this way hit my shin. It looks suggestive Okay of it being something that might be real It definitely looks yes to have something that might be real and very unique right very different than our anatomy And it's our prejudice that says that oh, we're the only people here. Well, I don't think that. What do you think? I don't know. Yeah. I don't, I think there's, I think the possibility

that something could be so advanced that all of our ideas of how it got here and how long it's been here are just silly. I think we might be just like these people in the Amazon that my friend Paul Rosalie is running into. They don't know that he goes on the Joe Rogan experience and reaches 15 million people. They don't have any idea. They have no idea. So what do they see?

They see some guy with clothes on. Like, what is this asshole doing? And he's out there in the Amazon. And then he takes a picture. And their experience with him is Probably kind of similar to our experience but except like much more exaggerated with aliens Like if you came into contact with something that's a million years more advanced than us Like what would that contact be like would it why I mean are we so limited in our understanding of?

How you move through the universe that we assume that everything has to use rockets and everything has to burn fuel and shoot things and to defy gravity by, you know, by pushing against it. Maybe not. Maybe there's much more advanced propulsion systems that exist. These are the hands. They're dissecting it. Whoa. What the fuck, man? Whoa. Yeah, the dissection, they'll know. That looks like weird bones in a hand. That's creepy. That's

so creepy. Look at their skin. I mean obviously mummified, but how fucking weird How weird look at the bones underneath it? That's crazy That is so crazy, and you're gonna tell me someone put this together as a joke. Well, I don't know I mean, I'm looking at this I don't know I don't know who's a part of this but when he peels that back and you see those bones again That is fucking nuts. That's so wild. But also why are those bones so clear for a mummified thing? Those bones look in my mind they don't look mummified they look like more recent. But what do I know?

It almost looks wet. Go back to that image. Yeah it was wet. The other thing was shiny too. Right. So is that because they put something on it? Or is that what happens when you cut that thing open? I'm trying to find a longer video and see if you can figure out how they did it. Oh, you know, them putting distilled water on it during the process of dissecting it and to dissect it. Maybe they're trying to clean off the bones and they did something to it to brush it and put water on it there. You know, how old did they say that that was? That's a good question. Did they carbon date it?

Or? See, that would be the thing to do is to carbon date it to find out whether or not if it's that old, then it should be petrified and therefore it shouldn't look like that. Right, right. Like if it's a million years old. If it's a million years old. But if it's only 500 years old, then things get real weird. It's a totally different story. So the's a million years old. But if it's only 500 years old, then things get real weird.

It's a totally different story. So the way that the bone should look. Yeah, it's weird as shit. But the thing is, there's so many people that essentially make a living off of lying. They make a living off of bullshitting. There's a lot of that going on. So religiously, I mean, look at from a religious standpoint, what's a lot of that going on. Yeah, so religiously I mean look at from a religious standpoint

What's the impact of acknowledging that there are? other species in Extraterrestrials, what's the impact on religion here in the United States or here in the world depends on which religion you're talking about It doesn't matter. I think the Vatican has been pretty open to the idea that we're not alone and that God could possibly have created other life forms So that's true. I'm pretty sure that's true. I think the Vatican gave a statement Within the last decade or so about this. Yeah, but they probably know some shit, right? Yeah, they probably have it I'm gonna eat some of the Russian some yeah

You've seen some of the Russian studies that I mean where they they had aliens who crashed in a flying saucer and they abused the aliens. Vatican astronomer says if aliens exist they may not need redemption. Oh! That's cool. Jesus gave them a fucking hall pass. Lest it be those who come from other planets. They may be a different life form that does not need Christ's redemption, the Vatican chief astronomer said. That makes sense. I mean, if they came from somewhere else. Difficult to exclude the possibility that other intelligent life exists in the universe, he noted that one field of astronomy is now actively seeking biomarkers and spectrum analysis of other

stars and planets. That's true. They definitely have done that. These potential forms of life could include those that have no need of oxygen or hydrox, or hydrogen, he said. Just as God created multiple forms of life on earth, he said, there may be diverse forms throughout the universe. That makes sense. That's an open-minded religious person. It's not in contrast with faith, because we cannot place limits on the creative freedom of God. That makes sense. Yeah, if you're going to be logical and be a believer in God, that's the way to do it, right? To say, look, if God exists, we just might be too limited in our understanding of the world to think that, we think that God just made us and this is it. But it might be God has made life all throughout the universe. Yeah. If you believe in God, you have

to accept the fact that He's on other planets. We're not the exclusivity. Maybe God is the universe. Well, that's what they've been saying. God is the universe. The universe is God. Yeah, which makes sense, because the universe is a creative force. It makes things constantly. It's constantly making stars. There's stellar nurseries and planets and... So what's your take on Bigfoot these days?

I think Bigfoot is mostly nonsense. That is sort of a Historical memory I think for sure we know that Gigantopithecus was a real animal that code coexisted with human beings and we know that it was the what's the date of Gigantopithecus it it's somewhere it's more than hundreds of thousands of years right but it just makes sense that if human beings have been around for that long and that things been around for that long and then 200,000 years ago 2 million to approximately 300,000 200,000 years ago so as recently as possibly

200,000 years ago but that's essentially based on what they found now They're constantly finding new things right so like they didn't even know Denisovans were a thing We sure a new type of human except the no no they're not gigantic They're just a different like there was Neanderthal homo sapien Denisovan was another group branch of the the human tree and they didn't discover them. I want to say 2010, when did they discover Dennisovans? I think they discovered them in Russia and they found them in China and so they know that there's that.

And then there was another species that they found recently that's even more recent, that's large headed people that were, they had larger heads than us that existed with us They're like big fucking eyebrows and big heads. What about that? They're what 17 feet tall 16 feet tall. What's that gigantic humans that? You know, I don't know it's that here's the Here's the problem. You don't know what is real. When was Dennis Oven's? When they discovered that? Well, they lived, I think, 75,000 years ago. Right. How tall would they be?

They were like Neanderthals. When did they discover Dennis Oven fossils? That's what I'm trying to figure out. They had one piece they found. Right. But it was pretty recent. 2014? Yeah, you're right. There's a lot of shit that's coming on the internet. The last thing that I was reading, not last, but one of the things that I read was they found bones of people that were like... Giant people. Giant people. Yeah, I've heard that before. I've never seen any evidence.

I wouldn't dismiss it. You know, there's giants in the Bible. There's giants in historical record. The life. Yeah, I've heard that before. I've never seen any evidence. I wouldn't dismiss it. You know, there's giants in the Bible, there's giants in historical record. Goliath. Yeah, yeah. It's completely possible that if you have Pygmies and you have, you know, the Hobbit people on the island of Flores. No. You didn't know about that? No. But they're Hobbit. Yeah, I think they call them homo-florescissis. And what these are is these little tiny ape-like humanoids that lived alongside people.

I think they've dated them to 100,000 years ago. Might be earlier. At one point in time, I think they thought it was 10,000 years ago, but I think they pushed it back. But these were like another branch of the human tree and they were really tiny and they used tools and they hunted and they think that you know that they're probably wiped out at least partially. Yeah. Homo floresiensis. And that's what they looked like and they lived alongside us. So they think that might be a case of island dwarfism

as well. You know, like there's a thing that happens to mammals when they're on islands where they get smaller and weirdly enough reptiles get larger. That's why you have Komodo dragons. Love them. Pretty cool, right? So there's homo sapien and there's homo florestis. Monster lizards. There's like a bunch of different types of humans that existed and we were the most clever and the most vicious.

We went, ha ha. Survival of the fittest. Yeah, and the smartest. We're the smartest. We're the ones that are the most clever. It's the calvarium, the size of the skull as it got bigger. But the thing is these ones that they found recently, see if you can find that article, the large headed people that they found recently, another totally new branch.

They're large headed, same height as ours. Same height as ours, but larger heads, probably much stronger. They're like Neanderthals, far stronger than us. Yeah, dubbed large headed people. Enigmatic group once lived alongside homo sapiens in eastern Asia. According to science alert, fossilized remains unearthed from sediment layers dated over 200,000 years ago revealed individuals with disproportionately large cranial volumes. So click on that, where they have images.

December 2024, just last month. Yeah, real recent. Yeah. Real recent they found this, they they've come out with this I think they had images of what they look like What they think they look like or someone did like a detailed a large-headed people you get regular folks Regular folks unfortunately the big heads I got yeah homo Juliusis Yeah the big heads. I got yeah homo Juliusis. Yeah. Yeah. So this is another branch. Look at the size of that fucker. Jacked. New humans. Yeah. Wild. Big heads. Larger heads and bigger brains.

There you go. Bigger brains than us. Lived 200,000 years ago. It's funny because we have them like with like a stupid stone tool like maybe they were smart maybe we just fucking wiped them out look at the size of our heads though Jesus Christ crazy look at that one there's got a six-pack yeah the guy standing up with the one down where he's walking like Bigfoot click on that yeah this guy's jacked. Imagine running into that. Look at his fucking head. Imagine running into that dude. No. He's dead. That's probably why. Look at him. This is where the AI photos are helping. AI is awesome. Look at that. Make that bigger. Look how fucking cool they look. Bro could you imagine walking through the jungle and running into these dudes like a

bunch of them? What do you want? Look at it, imagine. There is so much more to be found. Well just in our own history, right? The history of earth, the different forms of life that don't exist anymore. And it, you know, there's so much variety that it really does make you wonder, like, what are we seeing? We're seeing these alien bones that they're X-raying. What are we seeing when, you know, people report that they're

experiencing contact with these entities? Are they from another dimension? Are they from another planet? Is everybody crazy? Is everybody just making things up? I don't know. How do you account for all the people that said, I've been taken? Yeah, it's very compelling. I've been taken. It's very compelling. But here's the question, were they physically taken? Here's the question. The realm of dreams is a gigantic mystery. And the realm of dreams is hyper realistic sometimes. I had a hyper realistic dream last

night I wish I could remember what it was but it's one of those things it was crazy but I got up in the middle of night it woke me up and then I got up to pee and I was like what the fuck is wrong with me and then I went back to sleep but while I was experiencing that dream I remember being aware that it was a dream eventually, but while it was all going down, I was like, this is a crazy dream. Like thinking like, this is so vivid and so realistic. So if you live in a dream for the rest of your life, you are still alive and you are still experiencing things.

You're just experiencing things in a non-physical way, the way we interact with reality today. So you and I are interacting with reality with a couple glasses of whiskey, a cigar, we have a wooden table, we're talking into microphones. But the reality that you interact with in dreams is it's not tangible. It's existing, you're experiencing it, but it's in some other realm. It's some realm of the mind and some realm of consciousness and maybe what you're doing is accessing a dimension of possibilities that is entirely created by consciousness and maybe there's

Multiple layers to that and things can come from other places to us that way It's always been interesting to me that these people that have these abduction experiences, it seems like the vast majority, and I've read Abducted, which is John Mack's book, and I'm aware of the Betty and Barney Hill story and this is Travis Walton, the guy who got abducted in Arizona. That's the black and white couple? No, no, Betty and Barney Hill are. Betty and Barney Hill.

Actually, Angela Hill, who's the granddaughter of them, is a UFC fighter. Oh, really? Yeah. She was on the podcast and didn't tell me that until after the podcast was over. I'm like, damn! Yeah.

That was your grandfather? Great conversation, yeah. That's so crazy. Her grandfather was Barney Hill. So these people all have very compelling stories. Now the difference between Travis Walton's story and the other stories is people saw Travis Walton go up to that UFO. Travis Walton disappeared for five days.

Travis Walton came back from being in the woods for five days with this crazy story. And the other people, most of them it happens at night. Right? And so when you're dreaming, like who knows what the fuck is really happening? And if you're lying in bed and you get abducted by aliens and they return you to your bed, like what really happened? Is there a video of you disappearing?

Or if we had like a video in that room, would you have this same experience but your physical body never goes anywhere? It's like what are you really experiencing? That's the question. And I'm not doubting that these people have something happen to them, but we do know that when people are dreaming,

there's an endogenous release of psychedelic chemicals, there's this crazy experience of dreams, and of vivid dreams, and lucid dreams. So what is that? And if that is something that can be transversed, is that something that someone can enter into? Is it possible that other intelligence that's different than ours, that's more advanced than ours, that lives in a different dimension than ours has access to the mind in these exchanges. Yeah, in the subconscious.

Yeah, and maybe even physically. I'm not even dismissing physical contact, but I'm just saying that many of these cases where people claim to have been abducted happen at night. I don't think that is a coincidence. I think the realm of consciousness is, I think we're very arrogant in our belief that we understand what's going on we don't how we interface with reality no we

don't we know we have conscious we count on because they're like every time I come here I'm pretty sure the same garbage is gonna be on this table it's gonna be the same but I don't think we're really sure with how consciousness interacts with the world and how much of it is real. I agree. In the subconscious space, you know, the question is, is that when the extraterrestrials invades our space, our psychiatric space, and therefore it gives to us in our brain the perception of everything that we perceive, meaning the alien, the... Maybe even Bigfoot. Whatever, everything. But maybe that's what Bigfoot is. Yeah, but you think so? Maybe. I mean, maybe it's something... unconscious?

Maybe it's something you're experiencing that's from somewhere else. Or maybe it's your consciousness interacting with reality in a completely alien environment that is guaranteed to give you a heightened sense of anxiety. The woods at night, right? A lot of these people are experiencing these things in the woods at night. Maybe there's a level of consciousness you reach under those circumstances where you interact with things that you ordinarily cannot interact with and maybe that's why there's a lack of Physical evidence in our dimension like the physical evidence in our dimension is very limited

One thing that's compelling and maybe the only thing that's compelling is dermal ridges that they find on these footprints So they find these footprints in muck like whether they step in mud and rock and stuff and they leave behind these footprints in muck, like whether they step in mud and muck and stuff, and they leave behind not just footprints, but footprints with dermal ridges like fingerprints, which is very difficult to fake, especially in like the 1970s and the 1980s, where some of these things were required. So it's like, I don't know what we're dealing with, but there's enough people that talk about that experience, and it makes you pause. I don't believe, but I don't disbelieve. And as far as Bigfoot being an actual large ape that lives undisturbed in the Pacific Northwest,

I'm very skeptical because there's too many hunters now and too many people with cameras and too many camera traps. There's too many cell phone cameras, where they trail cameras snap things that are going by. Wildlife biologists use them. We know of like a couple of jaguars that exist in the United States. And the reason why we know about them is because of trail cameras.

So the fact that there's zero trail camera footage that's... Hylian. Yeah. It doesn't... The Bigfoot thing is like maybe. But maybe you're interacting with something that's not physical. It might be something that's interdimensional or something that you might be looking at

the past. You might be interacting with whatever experience this thing has had many, many, many, many years ago. It's like left echoes. It might be echoes in space and echoes in time. And that under certain states, you can briefly access these echoes, briefly access these things that may have existed

or might exist in other dimensions. I'm not ruling it out. I wouldn't bet the house on it. I wouldn't bet the house on it. I wouldn't bet the house on it. But I do think there's a lot of bullshit artists too though. I've talked to a lot of big people that are bullshit artists. The balance that obviously you're talking about is the fact that there are so many people who are trying to present the factual evidence that it exists, that causes you to doubt it. So, you know, I believe that there's a possibility of all the things that we

talked about, from Bigfoot to aliens and so forth, but there's a tempered perception of it as being reality, that it might be there, but we would rather deny it as opposed to accept it, because what happens if you accept it as 100% truth? What is the mindset on it? Well, you can't accept it as 100% truth unless you have 100% evidence. Yeah, you want to have physical evidence, but we don't have it. So until we have… You know who believes in him? Pardon? You know who really believes in Bigfoot?

No. Jane Goodall oh Okay, which is a girl lady. Yeah, she ever heard her talk about it No, why does she believe in she believes from all the eyewitness sightings and the possibility and you know her time living with primates Right see if you can find Jane Goodall talking about it because when she talks about it she talks about with great enthusiasm It's really interesting. Okay. Enthusiasm with facts to back it up, or just the large number of people who have stated that they've seen it or experienced it or... I don't know.

One thing though is like when she was saying this was quite a while ago, like more than a decade or two ago, and I think that over time, time when there's still no evidence people get more and more skeptical I've talked to a bunch of people that have had Bigfoot experiences. I don't Necessarily believe any of them. I don't disbelieve them, but I'm like there's not one still I've talked to UFO abduction people right believe them. I believe you believe them. Yeah, I believe Travis Walton I talked to that guy he does not seem like a bullshit artist, and he hasn't changed his story in like fucking 30 years I I would I'm romantic I would like Bigfoot to exist I've met people who swear they've seen Bigfoot, and I think the interesting thing is every single continent

There is an equivalent of Bigfoot or Sasquatch. There's the Yeti, there's the Yari in Australia, there's the Chinese Wildman, and on and on and on. And, you know, I've had stories from people who, you have to believe them. So there's something, I don't know what it is. I'm always open-minded. What about other... Yep.

Supposedly mythological, I guess I should say, like the Loch Ness Monster. The Loch Ness Monster obviously doesn't exist. Why? Alien beings, which is a good one. I don't, I think that it doesn't make sense to think we're the only intelligent form of life. This wall that was built between us, we're just the only really intelligent capable of

this, that and the other. Difference in kind between us and the other animals, that wall is broken down and the chimps help to break it down. Do you think the chimps helped to break it down? Well her experience with chimps, she's been embedded with chimps. Yeah. I don't, I definitely don't not believe, like I said, I don't disbelieve. It's not like aliens aren't real, UFOs aren't real, it's all lies.

All the people are lying. I don't think that at all. I think the, I think reality is weird. I think it's weirder than our senses are capable of detecting. That's what I think. Absolutely. I tend to be more on the side that they exist until you prove that they don't exist. You know what's really weird is underwater aliens. Underwater extraterrestrials or underwater UAPs. Oh the cities. I don't know about cities. Are cities under there? Yeah, cities where they have their spaceships at the trenches in the trenches. I've never seen any data.

Yeah, but I have seen video. See, that's the point. There's video of things moving underwater at very high rates of speed. In fact, some of the whistleblowers, and again, how much that's real, but some of the whistleblowers from the government have claimed that they have detected things Underwater that are enormous like the size of a football field and they're moving 500 knots underwater With which no visible means of propulsion correct there They think that this is where they hide in plain sight. They just exist in the water so those videos that have come out recently of the

Navy aid avi theaters who have chased UFOs that have gone into the water and they've seen these large reflections under the water of huge spaceships and so forth. I haven't heard any of like I've heard there was the commander David Fravor the tic-tac event where there was this thing that was like 20 foot wide. It looked like a Tic Tac. And they think there was something under it in the water. There was a disturbance that looked like, you know, like an underwater submarine that's emerging

or reaching the top of the surface. And then when they were flying near it, it went down. And then there's been other people, other pilots, that have actually seen large physical crafts in the water. But again, I've never seen any photos that are compelling of that. So the chasing of a UAP that went into the water. That's fascinating.

Yeah. Is that real or is that a figment? Well, that wasn't chased. What they call those, what do they call them? Extra medium and intermediate, transmedium. They call them transmedium crafts, which means they can fly in the air and they can fly through the water. They have seen things dunk into the water.

They have video of one, but it's very grainy. It's very grainy night vision, thermal vision of this thing, dunking into the water, and then they don't know what happened. Then it came out of the water. It was flying around again. They don't know what the fuck that is They they're just guessing and looking at the physics of it the fact that it was able to do a 90 degree Change in motion. Oh, yeah, and then down into the water and then coming up. How do you crazy for that? You don't yeah

Okay Really crazy one is the tic-tac because the t the Tic Tac they have a bunch of different types of data They have first of all the pilots who saw it. They have the video of from the pilots cabins. They have this radar footage that track this thing going from above 50,000 miles to 50 feet in like one second right? They don't know how the fuck anything can do that. Yeah, and then it takes off When they video it this thing taking off from their visual, from their recording, their screens, it takes off at such an insane rate of speed, they said anything biological would just be turned to jelly instantly.

Yeah, killed because of the... Because the G-force would just be insane. It's just insane rates of speed. And no visible means of propulsion, it does it from a completely stationary perspective and then poof, just takes off. Yeah, they've talked about dimensional, the fact that those unidentified flying objects, they go into a different dementia, dimension as well, you know, to account for. Maybe a different dementia too.

Yeah, dementia, they're in a state of dementia. Yeah, this is the one that goes in the water. So look how grainy this is. It's like, what am I looking at? So the fact that it's grainy means what? Well, they're just looking at it from a long distance with aircraft optics. These are weapon optics, right?

So grainy-ness means it's less possible to be. Well, it's dark out. Yeah. Well, it's dark out. And this is how they're seeing this thing. And then it just goes into the water. And if you hear it, you hear the recording. Hear the recording, Jamie?

Listen to them freak out when it. Yeah, they're freaking. Splashed. Marked bearing a ring. Right into the water. So the thing went into the water. And then also went out of the water. It was tic-tac.

Yeah. But the thing is, how many of these things are ours? Not zero. How many of these things, have you ever seen that underwater drone that the United States developed? No, I haven't seen that one. It looks like a UFO. It looks like a UFO that flies underwater. It goes underwater. It's not, I don't think it goes above the water. I think it only goes underwater, but it looks like a spaceship. Yeah, but with the rate of acceleration and the ability to change direction, you know, those are things that are in the reality, in the real world, you know, the physics behind it, as you said, everyone if it went in that rate of ascent or descent and movement, it

would kill everybody inside. Right. Momentum. But then the question is, what is it doing? Is it actually experiencing G-force at all? Because if it's some sort of a gravity proportion device, it might be experiencing no G-force. And it might be just pushing space out of the way

as it moves forward. We don't understand. That's like. Do we have that technology? It's a good question. Yeah. It's a good question. If we have that technology it's a good question yeah good question if we have that technology then it explains it all but the question is as long as we don't acknowledge the fact that we're at that level of technology then you have to account for where's it coming from right there's definitely a lot of questions I definitely don't

claim to have any answers yeah what is what is this one? But school you know racing. Oh, yeah sucker look at this. This is the one that goes This is a drone that we developed. It's like a manta ray drone. Yes, really cool Well, it's also mini it's pretty big is it but look at it. It looks like a fucking UFO that goes under the water And it flies through the water and also like what what are we looking for are we looking for foreign subs or are we looking for aliens both I wonder I wonder I wonder that's imagine if they knew some stuff was under the ocean they don't want to tell anybody because they don't want to freak people out duh yeah duh yeah I've seen articles where it talks about cities, communities, underneath

the ocean in the San Andreas, not San Andreas Fault, what is that fault line called? Not the fault, the... Outside of California? No, no, no. The deepest trenches. The Mariana Trench. Are there cities down there? What are, where, what websites are you reading? I think I know what his algorithm is. You know what I'm talking about? And I'm not going to use the psilocybin or Ibogaine or ayahuasca. Just normal. So I haven't heard anything about cities in the Mariana Trench.

Jamie, have you heard anything about cities? Yeah, look it up. I know where I'm headed. I know where I'm headed. I know where I'm headed. I haven't smoked anything or taken any pills. You've been drinking whiskey since... That's nothing, come on.

Quite a bit of that whiskey, sir. Nah, it's nothing. That's a lot. Glutathione. Yeah, I don't know if it totally helps. You sound a little hammered. You think? Yeah, give me another one of the glutathione.

You need another one? Okay. How many you got? Yeah, I got plenty. How many did you take while you drank? I took two. I took one early this morning and just took another one because I figured we'd finish the bottle Jesus you with the finishing the bottle

Absolutely die from that no Nick who's sitting outside he and I sit down and we'll drink a bottle Yeah, you know over a period of about four hours. You might want to go to a meeting you think Been there what is the Mariana Trench cities all about no No it's it's not the Mariana it's one of the trenches that are out there in the world. Just Google trench underwater UFO. That's a good one. You're gonna go right to reddit. Yeah you know what we've been on this on this discussion about bears and Mariana Trench and UFOs and abductions and so forth.

Fun stuff. Yeah, it's, you know, it reminds me of 438 where we were talking about every fucking thing. I mean, you blew me out of the water with that. I'll tell you the truth. We were there for three and a half hours on the first one and when I left the studio, because I thought it was in Woodland Hills, I thought it was only supposed to be like 30 minutes or so yeah yeah but I left and I sat in my car for an hour to recuperate for that first

visit with you it was just way beyond that yeah yeah if there really are things that are monitoring us and checking us out, it makes sense. If life exists and it's more advanced than us somewhere else, whether it's in another dimension or it's on another planet, it completely makes sense to me that they would visit us. Yeah. They want to see how fucked up we are in terms of nuclear weapons. Sure.

Yeah. And if we're on a path, a predictable path of evolution that almost all intelligent life goes on, there's probably gonna be pitfalls that they could help us navigate. I would think so, I would hope so. Jane Goodall studying the chimps, let's imagine they're still studying the chimps

500 years from now, 1,000 years from now, 100,000 years from now. Let's imagine civilizations still exist, chimps still exist, we've protected it, we've done a smart thing, and they still, what if they start making tools? What if they start making weapons? What if they eventually start going to war with each other? What if one chimp figures out gunpowder?

What if their brains keep growing like ours allegedly did? Sounds like us. Yeah, right. Imagine, imagine if we're observing emerging intelligence in other primatesates other than us. How would we handle it? Yeah, like how would we handle it if all of a sudden chimpanzees? Not all sudden but hundreds of thousands of years now trim What would our future society do if in the future? chimpanzees start developing weapons and buildings and planes and doing all the shit that we do when we're far more advanced than that then

Is that planet of the apes? Well, it's not because like you would think that they would become a different thing, you know They would be calm like we did right like we used to be Australia Pythagoras We used to be all these different hominids with they eventually become like more hairless. They start wearing clothes It'll be fucking real interesting to see how human beings would handle that. You know, like what would we do a million years from now if hominids kept advancing down an evolutionary plane, right, and they eventually got to a place where they were like ancient humans? How would we do? I mean, if we were like super advanced, like, oh, you guys can't go to war don't war we stopped war a while ago

We you guys need brain chips brain chips stop the world. Yeah. Yeah interesting Interesting well, I mean it is interesting because like what's different between us and any other people that have ever lived Is that we've figured out a way to optimize your health in a very substantial way In the past, someone who was my age, I'm 57, someone who was my age, your body's probably broken, you know, your body is probably like beaten down, your hormones are dead, you know, you're probably like real tired all the time, you know, and I'm not, you know, and because of vitamins

and hormones and all the different things that I do to keep my body healthy and exercise and We live in a different time and because of that you stay vital you have vitality Lot much longer than anyone ever did before so you can explore things and and you have more Curiosity and energy for thought more than anybody ever has before Yeah with the Wow Yeah has before. Yeah with the... Wow. You do CPR? Nope. Good. I would watch him. He does it? Jamie practices every night with different dudes. He does, yeah I can imagine. No, one of the greatest fallacies is that as we age we don't need to do anything to reinvigorate our body.

Supplements are very important, hormones are key. Exercise. Exercise is important because of, as I said about the brain-derived neurotrophic factor, you can increase it to improve brain. This guy out of USC, Kaleb Finch, who talked about, he believed that the reason for why we age and we die is because we lose our hormones in our brain and therefore extremely important, or is it scotch? Yeah, there it is. That's what you need, more of that. No, I need to clear the throat.

Look at that, I got my voice back. So as you said, you're 57 years of age, I'm 72 years of age, and I think the reason why I'm at 72 with the level of clarity and functionality aside from my back is the fact that I've always, I've 30 years I've been in hormone replacement, nutraceuticals, getting in good vitamins, so forth, because our body loses it over the course of time, and you need to keep replacing it, and the people who are listening to this

have to, might understand that you need to supplement. You need to be proactive on your quality of health, otherwise you start losing it. And exercise, not just for that, but also just to maintain your physical presence, your strength, your bone density. You know, at my age people say I still have my pecs, I still have my, you know, triminess and fitness. I don't know about general energy. Do you still do martial arts anymore? No, I stopped doing the martial

arts. What I do in place of martial arts is I dig holes and put plants in. Not the other holes. Digging holes is hard work. Yeah, I remember one time you sent me an email says to be careful because I was using a big pike to cut holes in the ground, but I end up with lemons and I make the limoncello, pomegranates, make pomegranate wine and so forth. I'm sensing a trend here. Yeah, and I said just some Comquats. Did you ever get the Comquats I said? I did, thank you. Did you eat them?

Yes I did. Okay, yeah. High in vitamin C, a lot of- Comquats are really good for you. Awesome, awesome. Like much more high in vitamin C apparently than even oranges. Oranges, right.

Every morning I have three of them. That's great. Three of them them and it's great. Do you take liposomal vitamin C as well? I take liposomal. I take liposomal vitamin C. See yeah yeah I take that stuff too. That's such a great thing too if you're sick is a high dose intravenous vitamin C. It's a big one. IVs. Yeah. I had a skeptical friend of mine who dismisses all kinds of quackery. He was real sick with the flu. He couldn't get over it for weeks. And I told him, listen man, I'm going to hook you up, do this, get IV zinc and vitamin C and high dose vitamin C and B12. And he was better immediately. He said 24 hours later, he couldn't kick this fucking flu. He said I had it for two weeks. Yeah. In 23 years, I've been sick

16 days. That's amazing. That's it. I never got, well let me be honest, I got COVID for 12 hours. I got COVID for 12 hours. 12 hours? 12 hours. Tested twice, positive for COVID. That was a Wednesday. Let's see, it was a Wednesday. I think we were having Yom Kippur? No, we were having Passover. And I got sick that night. And 24 hours later, no symptoms. That's amazing. Nothing. Quercetin, zinc, a little ivermectin, you know. That's crazy. You shouldn't talk about that publicly. No, I should not. Yeah, ivermectin. Horrible shit. You can talk about it now. Oh good. Now, you know fucking people are taking it. Yeah, I think I sent you the ivermectin paper with ivermectin and thimbidazole. Mm-hmm. I have a 76-year-old veteran who was diagnosed with Gleason 7.

Gleason is the grade of cancer of the prostate, and it was Gleason 7. He went on 12 milligrams of ivermectin every day for eight weeks, and at 12 weeks, he got a PET scan done, a special PET scan done, looking at abnormalities in the prostate. They couldn't find anything. That's amazing.

And his PSA, prosthetic specific engine, when his initial one with the cancer was 12.6, he's now at 5.3. Is that your phone? I don't know. What does this cell phone sound like? It sounds like that. What do you think about all the people that are very, yeah, a Samsung phone it's definitely yours. Significant. Is that a Google phone or Samsung phone? Google. Google you like that? Let me shut that. Yeah I'd like it.

They keep on trying to get me out of the the first grade first generation into the seventh until it dies. Oh yeah? I use it yeah. Ride or die huh? Yeah I don't like the software they put in there Google gave me the new pixel nine nine Excel Pro it looks sick and then they gave me a pixel fold It was like a gift when I went to the inauguration thing. Yeah, it's pretty so you were there Yeah, I wouldn't open the fold seems crazy. I'm addicted enough to watching YouTube videos on a regular phone I need a fucking tablet. I take you've seen what Huawei's made. Oh Huawei they're banned in America

because they're too awesome, and also they spy on you. But Huawei has developed a three-fold, and apparently Samsung's gonna come out with one next year. Yeah, but two-fold. It's a three-fold, though. It literally comes out to like a 10-inch tablet. It's, and it's very thin. Look at this.

Well, yeah, I saw. Look at that. I saw that. That's a three-fold. I think it's two-fold, yeah this. Well, yeah, I saw. Look at that. I saw that. That's a three-fold. Two-fold, yeah. That's the Huawei three-fold. And super thin, amazing cameras. They were so advanced.

I was trying to get a Porsche Design Huawei phone. They were working with, you know, Porsche Design makes a bunch of things. They make like watches and sunglasses. They don't just make cars. Like Porsche Design is like a separate bunch of things. They make watches and sunglasses. They don't just make cars. Porsche Design is a separate entity of Porsche. And Porsche Design worked with Huawei to make the ultimate cell phone.

And I was ready to buy it, because I'm a dork. I'm really into technology. And I was like, oh, that thing's crazy. Let me get it. And I think I had a 100 megapixel camera on the phone. And this was a while ago, and a 5amp 5000 milliamp battery, which was also crazy But then they banned Huawei products in America. So you can't get that trifold back door right to the CCP Yeah, allegedly but isn't it isn't tick-tock to like isn't all these things there's a lot of backdoors

There's a lot of data getting scooped up. Yeah, my cybersecurity people keep on telling me don't use getting scooped up. My cyber security people keep on telling me don't use zoom because it backdoors into the CCP. Oh boy. Yeah. That's great. So I haven't used it so I use Microsoft. What the fuck can you use? Yeah. I don't trust anybody anymore. No. I'm scared. I'm there with you. Yeah. Scared of all of it. Yeah. But I think it's all inevitable and I think if you look at what's going on, like in terms of like what's the direction that technological progress moves us into? Well it's a direction that seems of more and more connectivity which means less and less privacy.

So we're going to have to work that out because when quantum computers can crack all encoding, it's like any encryption that exists. Quantum computing is going to crack all that. So you're not going to have real encryption anymore. So like what happens with Bitcoin and digital currency? What happens with all that stuff? What happens with your bank account? I don't know. Weird times. Yeah. One of the things that scared me was in the Wi-Fi, they now could go back and using AI use the transmitted wave Form to see who's in a room. Yeah, you saw that. Yeah. Yeah accurate 3d representations of the people moving around Yeah, so I turned off all my Wi-Fi extenders. It's also

It's just like we're living in an ultra surveilled world and I think like we're living in an ultra surveilled world and I think the good news is that the new government is emphasizing privacy and freedom of speech and the other government was emphasizing cracking down on what they called misinformation and disinformation and more control of what you say and do and where you go and the way to get more control is more invasive technology and that's what scares the shit out of me. Yeah. Is people. It's not necessarily the technology, it's people taking advantage of the technology in order to have more control of the population which makes their job easier. Yeah, that's the reason why I only use my cell phone when I travel.

Otherwise I don't use it. People call me and say, where are you? I use my cell phone. Good for you. Yeah, it's off all the time. My friend Adam Curry, he's super paranoid. Maybe not. Maybe not paranoid.

Maybe super aware of digital surveillance and all that stuff, so he has a de-googled phone. He has a phone that doesn't have Google on it. And what's that operating system that they use for that stuff? Do you remember Jamie? This and your friend musk have a phone that's coming up. No, no, I just asked him the other day He said no we were talking the other day at the inauguration

I was saying dude every other day I get an article about a Tesla phone. He was laughing I hope we don't have to make a phone I hope we don't have to make a phone. It's very difficult to make a phone. But whoever's promoting it. That's it. Graphene OS. So Graphene is de-Google phone. So they take these pixels and they de-Google them and they put this Graphene OS, which is a completely different operating system. And then you have another phone called the unplugged phone that... Pixel 7.

Yeah. That's it. Then you have another phone called the unplugged phone that... Pixel 7. Yeah. That's it. And so they use these things and they work just like a regular phone. And you can get them where they don't have 5G because some people think 5G is bad for them. No, I still work off of 3 and 4 and I don't update the software because updating the software gives them more access to you.

Dun, dun, dun. I gotta go again. Well, let's just wrap it up. We're at 4 o'clock. Okay. Mark Gordon, I love you to you. I gotta go again. Well let's just wrap it up. We're at four o'clock. Okay. Mark Gordon, I love you to death. You're an awesome guy. I appreciate you very much. It's always good to see you. Thank you for all your research and all the work you do and spreading information and knowledge. I really appreciate it. I appreciate the fact that you've supported me over all these years and the work that we do with our veterans and they've been receiving the benefits of the work that we've done and

you know stopping the suicide is the goal for the Millennium Health Centers that's that's it. Yeah and tell everybody the website so they can find it. The educational one is www.tbihelpnow.com. I don't have to say it. How about WQ? You can just type in the... TBI help now. Helpnow.org.org. And then is Warrior Angel Foundation still... Warrior Angel Foundation is there,

but they've melded into... yeah, this is... Improve brain health by fixing the root causes. Yeah, this is... biohack yourself, and I'll give a minute on it. A family called Lolly Group, and if you were in Washington for the inauguration, the Biohack group, which is the Lolly group, which is Anthony and Teresa Lolly, they're the ones who put together Biohack yourself, which has been picked up by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., as being their representative for media, because he trusts them, because all they want to do is get the science out there that's real, not the bullshit that's been thrown at us.

So they've been pulled in, and there were 32 of us, quote, experts is what they call us, who participated in this program. So what they're doing is really cool because it's presenting the science behind what you've already experienced with us and what I continue to promote for brain health, for well-being and longevity, anti-aging. Beautiful. Okay. All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. Alright. Alright. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. Always appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, my friend. Goodbye, everybody.