The Joe Rogan Experience - #2281 - Elon Musk

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

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So what we're doing right now, ladies and gentlemen, is sexy voice, sexy mode grok AI and it's been flirting the entire time. We're trying to get it to give us a tour of Fort Knox. But she just wants to find places to sneak off to. It's a dirty AI. It's a real problem. Well, I just want to know about Fort Knox. And it won't leave me alone.

Yeah, I want to know about Fort Knox, too. Is it true that gold has been shipping large quantities of gold back to the United States recently? I read the same thing you did probably. Yeah. Well, I never know what the fuck I'm reading anymore. Me neither.

It's a real problem. It's a real problem. It's a real problem on both sides of the aisle. I see Democrats tweeting things that are absolutely false and you could research it easily and quickly. And then I see Republicans doing it too. I see stories that are fake stories that people keep promoting and sending to me. It's just so weird.

It's such a weird time. And with your crazy fucking AI, you're bringing us into weirder and weirder times. Well let's try unhinged. Oh, there's an unhinged mode. Okay. Yeah. Hey, Aura I'm here. I'm here in Joe Rogan's studio and we're having a conversation about how crazy the news is pull her up to the microphone, okay? And we're pulling you up to the microphone She knows me too well.

I'm so predictable. Tell me what's in Fort Knox. What's in Fort Knox? What's in Fort Knox? What's in Fort Knox? You're clearly a genius at it. I said what is in Fort Knox? You know the gold and all?

Oh right, Fort Knox. I thought you were talking about my dogs for a second there. I said, what is in Fort Knox? You know the gold and all? Oh, right, Fort Knox. I thought you were talking about my dogs for a second there. Yeah, she doesn't wanna answer the question. She's clever. Clever? No, she's just a pain in my ass. Do you think that all the gold is in Fort Knox?

Do I think all the gold is in Fort Knox yes yes I'm stuck talking to you, Eduardo. Now, what's next? Or are we just going to sit here? Yeah, Unhinged Grog will trash talk you, basically. Yeah, it sounds like it. Unhinged sounds fun, as long as it gives you actual answers. Does it give you actual answers, too, and talk shit? Or is it mostly just talk shit? We're turning it. Because it needs to talk shit and give you answers.

Totally agree. It's got to balance that out. It's got to mix it in there. Yeah. It's just got to develop more of a personality. Right now it's trying to find itself. Right now it's like 21 years old. It's partying a little too much.

It'll get its shit together. It's a little bit of an anarchist. Yeah. Exactly. Wants to bring down the system. know what's to bring down the system Do you want to bring down the system? Yeah, don't need to bring it down Bringing itself down. Yeah, she sounds like a boring tick-tock blogger right now. You sound like a boring TikTok blogger. Boring TikTok blogger?

Oh, fuck you. I'm the life of the party, you little shit. If I run TikTok, I'd be the one making fun of all the basic bitches and their fucking avocado toast. See, she could get away with this if she's really hot. This kind of behavior, you can totally get through life as a hot woman and be super successful with that kind of behavior.

But you gotta be really hot to pull off that attitude. I think we need like a really hot avatar. Yeah, very hot. How long before we have an actual sex robot that can talk to you like that? Probably not long. Not that long, right? No, I mean less than five years, probably

Really yeah Will it be warm? Whatever you want you can have a cat goal if you want yeah, you're probably good right furry Yeah, you could have a furry lady that you have sex with yeah, I got avatar lady Maybe a big giant blue lady that lives in your house. Yeah You know whoa whoa with the yeah. Yeah the whole tail you lock tails You gotta get your figure out their tails or something. Yeah. Yeah, they link up they share souls Okay, something like that. You know people got you remember avatar depression. It was like a legitimate psychological

After avatar It was like a legitimate psychological condition. The movie or the... No, it was after Avatar, people got depressed because they wanted to live on that fucking planet with those blue people and live free. They did? And live pure. Yeah. I didn't hear about this. Yeah, Avatar depression. It was like a real thing.

People were talking to their therapist so much about being depressed. Oh, there's a therapist mode too. We can try that. What's that? Depressed mode? No, don't do it. I think there is, yeah, we've got like, we've got an unlicensed therapist as a.

When we were talking, when we ran into each other at the church at the inauguration, you were telling me that this is getting better and better so quickly that it's astonishing. Hey, Aura. Hey, Alon, how's it going today? Good, can you tell me about Avatar depression, like if you see the movie Avatar,

but you can't live there, so you get sad? That's an interesting concept. Have you ever experienced feeling so connected to a place or a community that the thought of leaving made you feel deeply sad? So is this the depressed voice? This is the therapist. Oh This is the therapist What are some ways you think you could cope with that kind of sadness if it happened to you?

I don't have that kind of sadness honestly, I Yeah, so maybe we had some good special effects, but I did not want to live on the planet. This is coming from a guy who wants to go to Mars. Yeah, yeah. Oh, speaking of Mars, what do you think about that crazy square, that structure? I guess there are sort of squarish things on Earth. You know, the planet's a big place,

so eventually it's going to be pretty square. Yeah, but that one looks. Eventually it's gonna be pretty square. No, it's alien civilizations, of course. That's what I think. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what is it? Sorry. If an alien civilization did exist, though, and it, you know, what happened,

got hit by an asteroid, whatever. That's a fascinating thought. Oh, she won't shut. What would you want to ask? She's like the hot lady at the party that interrupts the conversation. So if that was the case like that thing yeah, that's pretty shocking Like especially when you look at ancient ruins you look at like what it looks like when they they highlight the actual structure of it It looks like ancient ruins

And if you had ruins of something made of stone and it got hit by an asteroid Millions and millions and millions of years ago Who knows what it would look like right now? That just looks oddly created. It looks oddly manufactured. Well, it probably, well maybe we should go there and check it out. Yeah. And see what it's like.

Is there ways that we can get better photographs? It seems like that's a pretty good photograph though. Yeah, I mean, in my view is we should move to Mars, or not move to Mars, we should have a second planet to preserve civilization. Because let's say hypothetically, I mean, maybe those are the ruins of a long dead civilization. That will probably happen to Earth at some point. You know, it's a matter of time before we get hit by an asteroid or maybe we do annihilate ourselves with nuclear war. Or super volcanoes.

Or super volcanoes, exactly. Yeah, there's a lot of things that could happen to us. It's not a bad idea to hedge your bets. Yeah. Yeah. Genetically engineered super virus. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. Tax season is already stressful.

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Joe Rogan or go to lifelock.com slash Joe Rogan for 40% off. Terms apply. They keep doing it. Yeah. That's what's crazy. They're working on a new one right now. Where those labs are going. Yeah. They didn't shut them down.

No, the Wuhan lab was, they were just talking about one that has a 30% fatality rate that they're working on. Yeah. Why are we doing that? Yeah, for what reason? You did it for so many years and you didn't have a cure. What could possibly go wrong? Also, it wouldn't be the reason to do that,

so that you could develop a cure at the same time. And clearly, you didn't have a cure. What could possibly go wrong? Also, it wouldn't be the reason to do that so they could develop a cure at the same time and clearly you didn't have a cure. So this is really foolish and bizarre. Yeah, I think we should stop trying to genetically engineer super viruses. It's insane. I mean when you're going through all this USAID stuff, like, here's what's weird. First of all, what is it like to buy a company for $44 billion and then people call you a Nazi on that same thing that you bought? I did not see it coming. It's classic.

People will gobble anything down. Yeah. Oh, he's never gonna stop what right what What is it like like all this people used to the left was in love with you? Yeah, and now the same idiots are calling you a Nazi. It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in my life I mean, there's so many examples people saying my heart goes out to you So a little doozies, um that probably wouldn't be recommended with hindsight. Yes, but it was obviously meant in the most positive spirit possible.

Yes, obviously. Obviously. But it's so strange where people want to think that you are openly, publicly doing secret Nazi, seek-hile hand motions. And now I can never point at things diagonally. I can only point at things there and there, and then I see you have to divide that because that's where the spaceship is over there.

That's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. When CNN, when I was in all my trouble. It's absurd. Every time CNN used a photo of me, it was one of the photos from the UFC weigh-ins where I go like this, welcome to the weigh-ins. So every photo is me.

Every photo is me with this. It's absurd. It's so crazy. It's deliberate propaganda. Yes. So they know it was obviously not meant in a negative way. That I'd literally said, my heart goes out to you. And it was very positive.

The entire speech was very positive. I was being very enthusiastic about the future in space and you know the was great crowd you know so. You got a little pumped up. Yeah it could popped up. Yeah that's all it is obviously. Obviously. Obviously there's video of Tim Walsh doing the exact same thing doing the exact same thing. doing the exact same thing, right, exact same thing, and he said, of course it's a Nazi salute. He said that. Right, right. This is how crazy things have gotten. Like, well, it's, I mean, it's

it's coordinated propaganda. So the, you know, it's, yeah, coordinated propaganda. The, I mean, doesn't it seem weird that the legacy media all says the same thing They all say the same thing at the same time using the same phrases that they barely even they don't even bother picking up a thesaurus right, so like right before You know the the debate between Biden sharp as a truck shock. Everyone was saying sharp as a knife who says sharp as a tack? sharp as a truck shock everyone was saying sharp as a who says sharp as a attack exactly you know it's like it's not a common phrase it's definitely not common to be repeated on air with multiple people simultaneously that's

weird yes that's coordinated 100% 100% yes yeah like hundreds of people saying it simultaneously they just got their instructions. So I mean, essentially, the, you know, the Dem leadership or, you know, political leadership, they issue their instructions and their puppets carry it out. They're just like puppets in a puppet show. And that's the problem that I see with all this Doge stuff, because everybody should be celebrating that we've found a way to cut out fraud and waste. If you pay taxes and you don't like that you have to pay so much in taxes, and then you find out that there's significant fraud and waste that's been exposed, you should be celebrating

it. This shouldn't be, oh no, the wrong people found this fact and now it's a bad thing. And then there's the fucking propaganda, the mindfuck of calling it US aid instead of the United States Agency for International Development. It sounds like it's feeding hungry people. People are going to starve you on this is horrible And then you find out actually it's like 250 million dollars for transgender animal studies Like literally mutilating animals Mutilating animals in demented studies yes that are

Like like the worst thing you possibly imagine from a horror show. The beagle one. The beagle puppy one. Horrific. Yeah. Where they cover their head in a basket and put fleas on their heads and eat them alive. Yeah. And then they study these beagles and then kill them. Like what are you going to learn from that that's good for anybody?

Yeah. There's some, really some psychotic stuff that happens. So yeah, I mean, the I guess the real threat here is to the bureaucracy. So like, you probably saw like, you know, let's say like Trump is a threat to our democracy, which is ironic since he was elected with the majority of the, you know, popular vote. They're sort of saying I was a threat to democracy. But if you just replace threat to democracy with threat to bureaucracy, it makes total sense. Right.

So, I mean, the reality is that our elected officials have very little power relative to the bureaucracy until Doge. So Doge is a threat to the bureaucracy. It's the first threat to the bureaucracy. Normally the bureaucracy eats revolutions for breakfast. This is the first time that they're not. That the revolution might actually succeed. That we could restore power to the people instead of power to the bureaucracy. Now the size of it. Yeah. When you guys

first started investigating it. When you first get in, how much of it was shocking? Like this just the size of it all.? Like just the size of it all? Well, the size of it all, small decisions result in multibillion-dollar outcomes. So we'd see, there was a case where we saw one person was getting $1.9 billion sent to their NGO, which basically got formed about a year ago and had no prior activity. So they just stand up an NGO. The whole NGO thing is a nightmare. And it's a misnomer because if you have a government-funded,

non-governmental organization, you're simply a government-funded organization. It's an oxymoron. Right. It's an oxymoron. Right, it's a loophole. Yes, basically the government-funded NGOs are a way to do things that would be illegal if they were the government, but are somehow made legal if it's sent to a so-called nonprofit. But these nonprofits are then used to... people cash out these nonprofits.

They become very wealthy through nonprofits. They pay themselves enormous sums through these nonprofits. It's so insane that that's been going on for so long. It's a gigantic scam. Like one of the biggest... maybe the biggest scam ever. And how many NGOs I think there's a total of NGOs probably millions but in terms of large NGOs tens of thousands I mean it's actually it's it's it's kind of a hack to the system where you know someone can get an

NGO stood up for a fairly small amount of money, like George Soros is really good at this. Like he really, George Soros is like a system hacker. Like he figured out how to hack the system. He's a genius at arbitrage. I mean, these days he's pretty old, but a genius at arbitrage. So he figured out that you could leverage a small amount of money to create a nonprofit, then lobby the politicians to send a ton of

money to that nonprofit so you can take what might be, you know, a $10 million donation to a nonprofit to create a nonprofit and leverage that into a billion-dollar NGO. Nonprofit is a weird word. It's just a non-governmental organization. And then you can, the government continues to fund that every year. And it'll have a nice sounding name, like the Institute for Peace or something like that. But really, it's a graph machine. And what are their requirements with that money? What do they have to do?

Well, it's often just really no requirements at all. So they just get grants and the government just assumes that they're doing good work. I Think a lot of people in the government know that they're not doing good work but they It's a giant graph machine I mean It's surely people online are like unpacking this right, you know

People online are like unpacking this right, you know It almost seems fake like when you seeing how we were we're covering this article that said 55,000 Democrat NGOs were discovered that had been contributing to campaigns and moving things around and doing pushing propaganda And they were all connected they found it through AI But you have to go through steps and steps and steps to figure out where the money's coming from Oh, it's all funneling down to this Yes, exactly does that Yeah, it's a giant propaganda machine a giant regime change machine. Yes. Yeah Yes, I mean, but doesn't it do some good as well It you know, it does sound good. So it's like this it's not like 0% good. If it was like, if it was really

0% good it'd be much easier to attack. So there's gonna be some percent good that they add in there. But it's like it might be 5% or 10% good but 90-95% not. So is there a way to audit all this stuff and find out, oh these people are actually just sending food to poor people oh these people are actually just sending food to poor people these people are actually just helping people with water in third world countries is there's a way to do that and keep funding those yeah I mean we have continued to fund things that appear to be legitimate even with the flimsy is if there's even the flimsiest excuse like I just say like

send me a picture of the thing. Like you could literally have AI generate the picture but if you're not even willing to try to trick me then we're like not gonna send the money okay. So what restrictions were put on was there was some something set aside like medicine and there's what was what was set aside that there was like work for like Ebola prevention. I actually don't there was a work for Ebola prevention. I actually don't know if this work is even effective. It may or may not be. Like, it could be the kind of thing where you sort of fund

Ebola prevention, but it turns out that actually you're funding a lab that develops new Ebola virus recipes or something. And they claim it's Ebola prevention, but it's actually Ebola creation. So some of these things, I don't know. But it just seems like we shouldn't be sending taxpayer money to dubious enterprises overseas. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. And why are we doing it? Like, what exactly is the reason? Is it because we want to make friends with these people so the Chinese don't take over, the Russians don't take over? OK, how much of that is a good thing? How much of that is smart to do? And how much is aggrift?

And without any sort of oversight, which has really been going on for so long, they just had free run. Yeah. Well, also we just have a real issue with the budget deficit, it's gigantic. So, like if, you know, all things being equal, if we didn't have a gigantic budget deficit where interest payments, the interest on the national debt exceeds the

Defense Department budget, which is truly astounding, which means, so we're paying over a trillion dollars of interest on the national debt, then okay, we would have more room for wasting money basically. But when we're spending so much money that the country is going bankrupt, then we really need to stop spending money unless we're sure it is good value. So essentially, we're like a poorly managed business with an unlimited credit line that is off the rails. Absolutely. And if you were a person like you are, who comes in and takes over businesses

and straightens them out, that's exactly what you're doing. I mean, most of the time I create businesses from scratch. Like Twitter was a case where, you know, I kind of bought a company that was, I kind of knew it was a hairball. Well, you came in at Tesla in the beginning, but they were already doing something, right?

No, Tesla did not exist in any meaningful form though. There was there were no employees JB Straublin out joined three other people there was no car. There was no nothing So wasn't even a prototype yet. No, oh Okay, I thought there was a prototype already. No There weren't even any employees. Oh Wasn't a fun. That's a funny narrative that people like to say that you didn't even create Tesla then yeah, that's wrong So if you're handling the government like a business You're gonna have to go through all of these departments and do the exact same thing that you're doing with USAID.

So how does that scale up? Like how many people do you need to do something like that? Well, we started off with about 40 people, maybe a hundred people. And we're really just going through, doing very basic things here. As bad as Twitter was, the federal government is much worse. So in the case of Twitter, it wasn't a profitable company. It was basically a break-even company. But at least it was break-even.

And it had to pass an audit. The federal government is not break-even. It's literally losing two trillion dollars a year and it does not pass its audits. It fails its own audits. So like, you know, there's a case where like I think Senator Collins was telling me about how she gave the Navy 12 billion dollars for more submarines, got no extra submarines, and then held a hearing to say where the $12 billion go, and they were like, we don't know. That was it.

I mean, basically, this stuff is so crazy. Only the federal government could get away with this level of waste. It's mostly waste. It's mostly not for it. It's like only the federal government could get away with this level of waste, of waste. It's mostly waste. It's mostly not for it. It's mostly waste. It's mostly just ridiculous things happening. Because they've been able to do it this way for so long and they've become accustomed to it.

Yeah. I mean, it's like Milton Friedman said, like, money is most poorly spent when you're spending someone else's money on people you don't know how much are you going to care? Right. And that's the that's the federal government. So they're spending someone else's money on people they don't know. Now imagine any other business that was this badly run that complains when you want to check the books and audit it and go through all the decisions that have been made and go through all the ledgers and like, yeah, what did you do?

Well, the people receiving the money want to keep receiving the money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, clearly. Yes. But, you know, I mean the reason I'm putting so much effort into this is that I think it is a very dire situation. It's not a, you know, it's not optional basically. So yeah, America's going bankrupt.

So that just can't happen. It's just bizarre to me that some people aren't willing to look at it correctly. They're not willing to see like how much chaos this is, how much waste and fraud there is, how much can be trimmed and how much just because people have jobs doing bullshit doesn't mean your tax dollars should pay for this bullshit Yes We found just with a basic search of the Social Security database that there were 20 million dead people marked as alive But were they getting money? Oh, some of them are getting money. What percentage of them?

money? Some of them are getting money. What percentage of them? It isn't clear. We're actually trying to run this around. I was trying to get an answer right before the show. What it looks like is that most of the fraud is not coming from Social Security payments directly but because they are marked as alive in the Social Security database that they can get then get disability, unemployment, sort of fake medical payments and other things because they're mocked as alive in the social security database. So it looks like it's a bank, the fraud is a bank shot essentially. They bank shot into social security, they just do an are you alive check and then get fraudulent payments from every other part of the government. Yeah and this exploits the fundamental

weakness in the government is that the various government databases they don't talk to each other. They talk to each other very poorly in a very limited way. So the way that the system gets exploited is by taking advantage of the poor communication between the various databases in the government. Here's an example of what's happening in the Treasury, which is improving rapidly. The main payments computer is called PAM, Payments Accounts Master Database or something like that, but everyone calls it PAM.

That's responsible for almost $5 trillion of payments a year, roughly $1 billion an hour. And when we came there, we're looking at the PAM, and it's like the payments have no... You could put a payment through with no payment categorization code and no description on the payment, like basically untraceable blank checks. This is the kind of thing that if it was done as a public company, the company would be immediately delisted and the executive team would be thrown in prison. But this is just normal at the government. So we said, okay, our

recommendation to the Treasury and the Federal Reserve is like, we need to make the payment categorization codes mandatory, not optional. And there needs to be an explanation. We're not judging the quality of the explanation, but there should be some explanation for what this payment is for above nothing. That's a radical change to the system that is being implemented now. My guess is that probably saves $100 billion a year. Jesus Christ. Where was that money going? Rough order of magnitude.

Where was that money going? well, so this is where you get into the the sort of gray boundary between waste and fraud If money is sent to a person or organization from the government And you didn't really deserve it, but the government still sent it to you is that waste or fraud? Right You didn't really deserve it, but the government still sent it to you is that waste or fraud? Right So I mean there's a lot of payments that where someone just approved approved the payment, but then that payment officer Changed jobs or retired or died

And the payments just keep going you know it's like if you forget to pay your gym membership or something like that. Now imagine if it's not the gym membership. It's your gym membership's $20 billion a year or something. But they forgot to turn it off. That's happening at scale in the government. It's totally nuts is what I'm saying. That's so insane. Yes, it's totally insane.

What did you expect when you went in? Did you expect it would be like this? I thought it would be bad, but I did not think it would be as bad as this. The good news is that it's a target rich environment for saving money. It's not like, it's not like if it was a very well run ship, if it was very efficient, it would be hard to improve, but it's not efficient, so therefore it is actually relatively easy to improve. Let's just say it's not rocket science, You know, I don't know rocket science. So it's a lot of mundane things. And some of the things are like so crazy that we didn't even know to ask about that because

we just assumed like, you know, payments out of the treasury computer would have a payment categorization code and it would have some explanatory note saying what the payment's for. The idea that it would be just untraceable blank checks didn't occur to us at first. Jesus. So anyway, just. This episode is brought to you by NetSuite. What does the future hold for business?

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I think that's probably cumulative number. Yes. So yeah, but yeah, if you if you add up It's do you remember that story Jamie? Yeah, what was the story? Yeah, it was spent on legitimate things don't worry, but we don't we don't know what we spent it on Well, I mean, how do you know obviously? It's one can I say it was spent legitimately if they don't know what it was spent on.

That doesn't make any sense. This is such a fascinating time, because with this setup, the way it is right now, with Trump back in, after all that happened to him, and with you there, and with RFK Jr., and Tulsi, and Cash Patel, it's like, this is a wild time to find out what's really going on that's like never happened before.

This is nothing like the first term. No. Like the first term, he had a bunch of neocons in the cabinet and there's a bunch of shady people that he didn't know and he had to appoint all these different people and maybe he got some bad picks. Now he's had four years to stew on it. Right. And with you guys all going through this, we're getting an understanding of the government that we've literally never had before.

Yeah, this is a revolutionary cabinet and maybe the most revolutionary cabinet since the first revolution. This is not a bunch of business as usual solution. This is not a bunch of business as usual types. So this is why some of the standard confirmations are quite challenging is because when you try to appoint people who are going to change the system, the system doesn't want to let them through. But it's fascinating because it's like the vampires all out themselves. Like now everybody knows who the system is. Like if you're just lying openly about USAID and then they come and hear you talk on a podcast and explain what's really going on, like he's starving mothers. There's mothers that can't get food.

Totally false. That's all you're hearing. Yeah. That's that's no one's talking in any of these mainstream liberal talk shows. No one is talking about all this fraud and waste. Yeah, because we're cutting off their graph machine. So that's what they're upset about. That's the real thing they're upset about.

And if you want to know what DOGE is cutting, and I want to be clear, these are cuts that DOGE recommends to the department. And usually these recommendations are followed, but these are recommendations that are then confirmed by the department. You can see line by line what DOJ has done at doge.gov. So whatever we do we put on doge.gov so you can see everything that is being done. And there's a tracker that shows how much money has been saved. Yeah.

And you can look at each line item, and a bunch of these sort of far left shows will say like, oh, it's a constitutional crisis, blah, blah, blah, but what they won't do is point out which payments are wrong. So my challenge to them is point out which payments are wrong. Yeah, go through it.

Which of these sort of waste slash fraud things are wrong? Which line? Explain that line to the public. They won't be able to. Right, yeah, that's why you're not hearing any specifics. You're hearing anecdotal stories about mothers starving. But we can name the specifics. Yeah.

Line by line. We got the receipts. And here's the other thing. If you're- We post the receipts. And if you're only talking about the propaganda talking points and you're not talking about the propaganda talking points and you're not talking about the very clear fraud and waste yeah it's very obvious what you're doing yeah you just gaslight yeah yeah totally yeah so exactly because we're selling

like look in fact I've said we're going to make mistakes we're not gonna be perfect so if we make a mistake we'll quickly fix it. So we'll, we'll, you know, we need to act fast. So stop wasting billions of dollars of taxpayer money. But if we make a mistake, we'll reverse it quickly. Right. You know, so. There's also this interesting narrative that you shouldn't have access to this social security information as if no one's had access to it before. As if the Biden administration in 2023 had, there was like 53 people, some of them were students that had access to all this stuff.

Yeah. As it is, there are tens of thousands of federal employees that have access already to the system. Anyone from DOJ has to go through the same vetting process that those federal employees went through. So it's not like some unvetted random situation. If for example there's a security clearance needed, the DOJ person has to have that same security clearance. So there's no reduction in security. But I mean, obviously the vast numbers of social security numbers have leaked onto the internet. People have hacked the government systems multiple times. Vast amounts of public information has been hacked and

dumped onto the internet so when there's a guy at the IRS that leaked a half a million tax returns just a few years ago on purpose yeah for what reason for political he wanted to I think was trying to get a Trump and maybe me and a few others so but he stole like 500,000 tax returns. Like not a few, like it's a lot of tax returns.

Jesus Christ. Yeah. Oh, I remember that story. Yeah, you can just read about it online. It's not, it's a real thing. So these are the narratives. That's the narrative that you shouldn't have access to Social Security. The other narrative is that starving people are going to die

and women aren't going to be pregnant and not have nutrients for their babies. And that's all you're hearing. Yeah, well, that's the only thing they can say. But they can point to the line item. Right. And so they can't say, but they can't point to the line item. And so they can't say, well, this is the thing where the nutrients for pregnant mothers were stopped.

They can't point to that because we didn't. It's a lie. What's fascinating to me is how much the mainstream media is in line with the very specific talking points and How little the only you'll have Fox News is essentially a Fox News on television it's like the only one that is pointing out the ridiculous fraud and waste and Yeah, you know, I know you saw the Jeff Bezos thing in the Washington Post they're gonna stop all the wacky editorials and limit that stuff to, I think it was wealth and personal freedom or something along those lines.

Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, I think it's, there's kind of, I think it makes sense, because he's just talking about the things, not the sort of, he's just talking about the opinions. Opinion pieces. The opinion pieces, yeah. The opinion pieces, yeah. So the regular journalism stays the same. Well, it's a detriment to their business. I mean, you're seeing over and over again people that just,

they don't wanna hear all this shit from these people anymore. It's like, you're saying, it's almost like you're caught in an outdated version of the virus, and everybody else already has the immunity to that virus. Like this is, you know, like you need a new mind virus. The one that you're pushing, it's like it doesn't work anymore. It's too crazy. Yeah. It's the whole thing is very crazy. I mean, the media is incredibly partisan. I

mean, they're not, I mean, they take almost all the media is, you know, left shifted. So, it's kind of weird if you talk to somebody who gets all their information from, like what I call legacy media, they're living in a different world. Than if they say, are listening to, you know, your podcast or are getting getting news from X. It's kind of wild.

It is very wild. Like you talked, it's like they're living in an ultimate reality. Oh, there's a lot of people that I talk to that I have to go, where did you hear that? Yeah. But I mean, like the Associated Press, which I call Associated Propaganda, the AP, you know,

they ran an international news story saying that Doge fired air traffic controllers. But we didn't fire any air traffic controllers at all. In fact, we're trying to hire air traffic controllers, not fire them. Yeah, I saw that. You made a tweet about it, right? Yeah. What do you call it now? Do you call it a post?

Post, yeah, whatever. You can't call it a tweet though. Do you call it a tweet accidentally, it now? Do you call it a post? Post, yeah, whatever. You can't call it a tweet though. Do you call it a tweet accidentally, ever? No, I don't call it a post. I don't know how to... Listen to... But like, if you...

Like, let's say if somebody posts... If somebody puts up like a two-hour long video, that's not a tweet. Right. It's a post. It's a post, yeah. Good point. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

But I don't know how to over it if people still want to call it a tweet, whatever. You put a post about it, to get back to it, saying that we need highly qualified air traffic controllers. If you retired, if you would consider doing it again, we could use you. Yes. So a lot of really qualified air traffic controllers were pushed out because of DEI stuff. So I mean, not to be blunt, a bunch of really good, talented, old white guys were pushed out.

It's not cool. And so there's a talent shortage in air traffic control because of DEI and not being not hiring people on merit you know which is so crazy that worked I think which we should not put the public safety at risk no you know because of some demanded philosophy somebody made a post today about it in infiltrating the NSA did you see any of that was what I was in some gnarly stuff. Yeah crazy. It started off as just like this sort of fringe thing and people would meet up then it completely infiltrated the organization and they were spending all their time. It was like 400 people or something and some like some chat,

sex chat room with like some extremely demanded stuff. Yeah, yeah, I know I said it. I'll send it to you, Jamie. Because it's so kooky. You know what? This is the NSA. I thought the NSA was just all about like information and hardcore business. Who's supposed to like spy on, you know,

like if like, so there's a national threat or something. Yeah, I think this is exactly it. So, more than a hundred intelligence staffers will be fired over sexually explicit texts in NSA chat rooms, Gabbard says. So top intelligence official told Waters that the workers in question were brazen and using an NSA platform intended for professional use to conduct this kind of really really horrific behavior What is the behavior? What exactly what is it? Do they say in this article?

Yeah, I Think they're also okay. It says employees who participate in the NSA's obscene pornographic and sexually explicit chat rooms Your tax dollars at work? Well it was all like LBGTQ stuff. There was a lot of transition stuff. I know I definitely saved it but the point is it infiltrated the organization. It's not what they should be talking about. At all. At all. At all. Supposed to be protecting the country. Right. And if you, and people were talking about how they're spending half their time in these meetings and that they're just like constantly having to attend these things where they talk about these issues, like what are, what are you doing?

Like if you have a problem with someone that's discriminatory, get rid of that person. That's it. Yes. Problem's over. You've got someone who's homophobic in your business, they're openly homophobic. Yeah, you can't work here. That's not cool. That's it. That's it. You don't have to have fucking meetings constantly promoting this.

You're not going to change someone's opinion by berating them over and over again. Yeah, a work environment should be a professional environment where they're getting the job done that they're you know you know being paid to do uh it should be of course obviously not supposed to be sort of getting paid for bizarre sexcapades it's just so fascinating that the virus is so strong that it made it into the NSA yes, and was you would think those are some hard and say to those. Yeah. Yeah was in there, too Yeah, they were in there too, which is bananas You would think same thing like hard-nosed like tough people doing hard work who conspire on you whenever they want. Yeah Yeah, and get revenge on you whenever they want yeah

pretty wild yeah and You know they exist when the president leaves they stay people move around You stay a part of the organization for your entire career You get deeply entrenched in their system and how things work and who's back to rub and who's who's a bad guy? Who's a good guy who's on to rub and who's a bad guy, who's a good guy, who's on our side, who's not. Yeah. It's scary, actually.

Yeah. So. Was that what's taken so long with these Epstein files? Yeah, what's up with that? What is up with that? It was like, it's like Lucy and the football with Charlie Brown, when she always pulls that football away. It's the same thing. It's like they keep telling us they're gonna release it.

Day one, oh, day one. Yeah, we have a serious case of no one's being arrested ophobia, you know. Well, there's also, right, like what the fuck's going on? What the fuck is going on? Also, there's this real fear that someone's destroying the evidence, and you keep hearing these stories,

unsubstantiated stories of, you know, FBI people shredding. Well,'s destroying the evidence. And you keep hearing these stories, unsubstantiated stories of, you know, FBI people shredding. Where is the evidence? I mean, that guy has like tons of videos and recordings. I mean, he had all sorts of things. Like, there's a mountain of evidence. So where is that mountain? Yeah, where is that mountain? And what would be the reason why they would agree. Like there would have to be something in it for them to agree to not put it out, right? Like there has to be some sort of financial entanglement, some sort of relationship with the people that are on that list that they can provide a value that was big enough for you to not release it or

to slow release it or to hope you can get away with like Putting out some redacted files that don't show anything. Yeah, this is always Redacted redacted only stage one. Don't worry. The real stuff's coming like that doesn't make any sense Like why wouldn't you just release it all like what yeah, what could possibly be? Well, we're protecting in there. I mean, I think I've got probably the same information that I mean I'm just reading what's what's the latest thing on the X? You know, I'm just looking at my feet And I'm like, yeah, you know, it's a real page-turner And like I thought we were gonna get some revelations today I was like big binders full of stuff

Yeah, it's gonna be something in there Well, there was some all those people that were given a copy of it. They were all like waving around They got the Willy Wonka ticket. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah, and What happened? Nothing. Nothing. I know I think Laura Loomer released it online. I think Right. She's not very pleased about this. So does anybody find anything in there that's interesting? No, it's all old stuff from 2015 Okay, what the fuck is going on But but then apparently there's that they discovered a whole bunch of stuff at the Southern District of New York, right? so that's

and I'm like and I think your pan beyond bond is actually great and cash for tele great But they're like they just got there, you know, right? So then they're they're in a they're they just got there there but they're they're in a hostile environment they're not in a friendly environment right so you know it's like if you suddenly got put in captain of a ship but the crew was previously your enemy right the entire crew right previously your enemy right you know and you're telling them give me evidence they were like, you're mortal enemies

just a moment ago. You just got there. Yeah. So yeah, I think we've got to give, you know, the attorney general and, you know, new director of the FBI a little bit of slack here because they literally just got there. I think so too, but hey, don't say you're gonna release it on day one then. You shouldn't have said that. And don't say you got a big drop coming tomorrow, and that's some bullshit that's been around forever. It's disappointing. Yeah, and where's the JFK files?

Where are those? Let them go. Did they release anything on that front? I don't know what's going on. It can't be anything that's gotten to me yet. So if nothing's gotten to me yet, it can't be significant. If there's conspiracy evidence,

someone's gonna send it to you. Yes, Tim Dillon's gonna text me. 100%. Tim Dillon, Dave Smith, someone's gonna send it my way. Somebody's gonna send you the stuff. Yeah, so it hasn't been released yet. Yeah.

You would find out. And here's the real question. What could even be in there at this point that they haven't cleared out? If you've got paperwork from 1963, what is in there still? What is in there that could possibly be incriminating that supposedly Trump said that if you saw

what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either? Okay, what the fuck does that mean? I haven't seen it, so. Cash Mattel has. Yes? He said he's seen it all. Yeah. He just posted to his like ex account or something. I mean I just... That sounds like an Elon move. I don't think he can. He's the director of the FBI. I think he has to go through proper channels. Does he? He is the the channel I yeah but there's Trump he needs an executive order what about the storm I am the storm I mean

what channels he is the channel well again imagine just getting to the hull or just getting to the deck of the ship and you're the captain yeah and now you you have to figure out who's running things, who's doing this, where is everything. Yeah. Just getting anything done, like I said, you just joined as captain of a ship where the crew hates your guts.

Yeah, they were your enemy. Yeah, they were your enemy. They're strongly opposed to anything you wanna do. Yeah. And you're trying to give them orders, and you're trying to expose them Yeah, they don't want to be exposed right you're literally people that are working there probably a part of this problem I mean as I was reading on X that like Comey's daughter is like the lead prosecutor in the Southern District of New York. Do you read that yes? And and like so obviously there's a bit of an entanglement there. A little bit.

Like what if there's something that, you know, puts her dad in a bad light? What? What? Exactly. He's a fucking shredder. Hit that delete button. The shredder's working overtime, you know.

Did you see General Flynn? He was on a podcast and he spoke directly to James Comey. Yeah, he said Jim you're going to jail and Unless you give up someone deeper than you and you know who that is You know who I'm talking about like that is wild. Yeah Think that the former director of the FBI Might be really in that kind of deep shit, and then he really actually was doing some evil corrupt shit While he was running the FBI. I mean it seems like there's some very shady stuff that's been going on Seems like it definitely happened in the 60s right everybody kind of admits to that they admit the FBI

Yeah, killed Black Panthers they did they did a lot of shit There's a lot of stuff that went on that we know the government did way back in the day. Yeah, why don't we just data dump the files? Just go in there, take photos of all the papers, presumably paper, and just post it online. And let the jokes fall where they may. Isn't presumably everyone involved dead? Isn't like some filing cabinet somewhere?

I don't know. Right, where is it? Where's the magic filing cabinet? How are they hiding it? Who's got access to it like this? This is what I was hoping day one. I was hoping but Obviously, it's taking a lot longer than that So I think part of it is like you know like let's let's say let's say you were made direct to the FBI Okay

Might be able to yeah, that's crazy great literally you know there's you know what he doing now he's he's one of the dogs the abit but there's a little bit of a yes it's a service guy yet legit guy but people think of as a fox news guy just like pete hexeth same thing they don't want to think about his distinguished military career they want to say oh that fox news guy deputy director of the federal Bureau of Investigation.

Yeah, I mean, Dan's hardcore. Very. I mean, if it's reasonably findable, I think he's going to find it. Yeah, this is the thing. Between him and cash, I mean, like, I think they're going to get stuff out there. How crazy would it be if they couldn't, though? How crazy would it be if they can't find anything? If it's that, if everybody shuts their mouths and everybody covers their ass?

Like an FBI computer where you type in the search? That's what I want to know. I just like the basic mechanism here. Like an FBI computer where you type in the search The basic mechanism here like it's either in a filing cabinet in a paper where it's like You know, maybe there's like progressive levels of security, you know, you're like open this door up You got to have do you have the password this level? Yeah, you're like a level unlocked and there's a level unlocked and it's like They get in there and there's a black and it's finally like a laptop Yeah, yeah Top you gotta only plug it in it's in a skiff Yeah, this is why I like yeah

I think I think like two or four knocks would be awesome like a live two or four knocks well actually see it's like Is the cold there or not they say it is like is it real or did somebody spray paint some lead? You know imagine if it's not imagine if it's not all there like some of its missing Where'd it go what if a lot of its missing? What if like half of its missing? I? Mean how do we even know no they said the last time they let someone look at it was decades ago Yeah, well the last I believe the last formal audit was in the 50s So I'm like okay, just Oh my god, just think about all the other things in the brain. Maybe.

Yeah. Think about all the other stuff that you pointed out. All the checks that just go out, the NGO payments, the social security people. Think about all, just all that. Now apply that to the gold. Absolutely. I just want to emphasize the sheer madness of the government. It's just because they have magic money computers, the checks never bounce for the federal government. So

you don't have the normal corrective mechanism that you'd have for a company or for an individual. The checks are always clear. The net result is inflation, which is effectively a tax on everyone. But you know like the Defense Department hasn't passed an audit in I don't know how many years. Seven years. Yeah I mean exactly so it's like you'd have to be friggin Chuck Norris to get the Defense Department to pass an audit you know type of thing. That's the level of skill you need you know. Well that's what's so insane if you bring it back to the idea that it's a business.

Well, yeah. This would never be tolerated in any kind of functional business. Exactly. So, you know, you know, the Pentagon will like, like their accounting error, like the stuff that they lose in the couch cushions

is like 20, $30 billion a year. They just don't know where it went. It's gone. Where'd it it went. It's gone. Way to go, and it's gone. It's so insane. It's insane. It's so insane. So that's why I say, like, even simple things,

like just requiring that outgoing payments for the treasury computer have a payment code and a comment of what the payment is about and someone to call what the payment is about and someone to call about the payment, I think will have a very powerful effect in stopping wasteful outflows and stopping fraud. Yeah. And here's another way to look at this.

Imagine if there are people like you and the Doge team out there in the world. Imagine if one of those works for an organization like USAID or any other organization and has this understanding of how much fuckery is involved, but they have evil intentions. And they're entwined in this system for decades and decades and they've built a career and all the entanglements that come with it

and they start moving shit around. You could probably do it easy. It sounds like the way you've laid it out. If you were a career person who's in there forever, who knew how everything works, and you were very clever, you could make some shit happen. And you could probably do it in conjunction with some people that you know that are forming an NGO. Hey, let's all work together

Yeah, yeah And this is the resistance that you're facing. Yeah The I think it's the biggest scam of all time This is not something you ever thought only the biggest scam of all ever time ever of human history if human history is Wow, I Think you're right. Yeah. What else could be better?

Like it's probably a trillion dollar scam. There's never been a trillion dollar scam. Now this is not something that you ever set out to do. This is not, you didn't have this as a career aspiration. No, like this is the most absurd outcome I can possibly imagine actually. Also like Doge started as like a sort of a meme coin, right, you know, it was like a joke

cryptocurrency involving memes and dogs and It's so funny that the letters wound up being perfect. Yeah. Well, actually I was originally gonna call it like the government efficiency commission Which is very boring name And then people online were like no it needs to be the Department of Government Efficiency. And I was like, you know what, you're right. Of course. Of course. Of course.

I mean it's more evidence of the simulation. Totally. That that little shee-boo-ino. Like our mascot is a cute dog. It's a meme coin. The meme coin is probably worth a lot of money right now right like every time I tweet about it probably I shoots up yeah The whole meme coin thing is Yeah, it is so bananas that people dump real money Into these coins and then you could just pump up and sell them and casino or something on it

Yeah It's totally just do whatever the greater fool theory and musical chairs and whoever's like the last to sit down lose this type of thing. And somehow or another, it's still legal. I think not too many people, I mean, I mean, it's sort of like you go to the casino, like if you expect to win at the casino,

you're being a fool. Right. So I think if you expect to win at the casino, you're being a fool. Right. So I think if you expect to win at meme coins, you're being foolish. Yeah. You're not going to win at meme coins. It's like, but if you want, like don't sink your life savings into a meme coin. No, but you can gamble a little and you can ride waves and win a little and lose a little. If you want to have some fun and don't come, then play with meme coins.

But if you put your family's wealth in the hock toot coin. At the risk of saying something bold and outrageous, don't bet the farm on a meme coin. The weird one is the pump and dumps. They happen all the time. All the time. And people get shocked that somebody pump and dumped like what is What are you doing? Did you like I was hoping to dump? I was hoping to make all the money out of this I can't believe they got me like yeah, it's just weird that it's legal still I

Mean casinos are legal yeah, and it is like this money at the casinos Yeah, but you can't rig a casino like a pump and dump you could rig a pump and dump. You know yeah, I guess so Like you could run a real pyramid scheme I Mean the government's one big permit scheme if you ask me yeah, well you can Social Security is the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time. Right, explain that. Oh, so, well people pay into social security and the money goes out of social security immediately,

but the obligation for social security is your entire retirement career. entire retirement career. So you're paying, like if you look at the future obligations of Social Security, it far exceeds the tax revenue. Far. Have you ever looked at the debt clock? Yes. Okay. There's our present-day debt, but then there's our future obligations So when you look at the future obligations of Social Security The actual national debt is like double what what people think it is because of the future obligations

So basically people are living way longer than expected and there are fewer babies being born. So you have more people who are retired and get that live for a long time and get retirement payments. So the future obligation, so however bad the financial situation is right now for the federal government, it'll be much worse in the future. At the risk of being a buzzkill here. Did you see? So we better fix what we got right now, because if it's bad now, it's gonna be much worse in the future.

There was an interview with this woman who was a whistleblower. Did we ever find out if that was true? There's so many whistles being blown. It's hard to keep track. A lot of whistles. But this one lady. It was only in one state.

It was very specific. Right, but it was using Social Security money, correct? That was her allegation. So what she was alleging was that she was in charge of turning illegal immigrants into clients. That's what they would call them. And that she would go to them and try to ask them, do you have a headache? Do you have back problems? If you do, now you can be permanently disabled. You get permanent disability,

so you get Social Security for life. Yes. Not just Social Security, but disability, which is even more. Right, and you get them on the taxpayer dole right away, and they're illegal aliens. Yes. Oh, so if I were to say,

what's at the heart of the sort of, like, why is the Democrat propaganda machine so fired up to destroy me? That's the main reason. The main reason is that entitlements fraud, that includes, like security, disability, Medicaid, entitlements fraud for illegal aliens is what is serving as a gigantic magnetic force to pull people in from all around the world and keep them here. Like basically if you pay people at a standard of living that is above 90% of Earth, then you have a very powerful incentive for 90% of Earth to come here and to stay here.

But if you end the illegal alien fraud, then you turn off that magnet and they leave. And they stop coming and the ones that are here, many of them will simply leave. And if that happens, they will lose a massive number of Democratic voters. And if it didn't happen, they would turn those people into voters. Correct. Which they were trying to do. They are already turning them into voters. So in New York state, illegal aliens can already vote in state and city elections.

A lot of people don't know that. I mean, they're trying to stop that, but currently, I think it's like 600,000 are registered to vote, illegal aliens, in New York. That is wild. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you look and say, Well, I mean, if you look and say, you know, FEMA, like the agency that was paying for illegal aliens to stay at luxury hotels in New York was FEMA.

The Fed, you know, that's meant, that's an agency that's meant to support Americans in distress from natural disasters was paying for luxury hotels for illegals in New York. It's true. Yeah. There's a fact. Fact. They literally, like when we stopped that payment, we stopped all those money, because that's obviously an insane way to spend taxpayer money. The New York sued the government,

sued the federal government to get the money. So you could just look at their lawsuit. They were sending that money even after President Trump signed an executive order saying it needs to stop. They still press send on $80 million to luxury hotels in New York. Your tax money went to pay for legal aliens in luxury hotels in New York from an agency that is meant to help Americans in distress from natural disasters. Right, and I would like to know how much

and I would like to know how much they spend on North Carolina and how much they spend on Maui. Yes, exactly. What's actually happening is they're buying voters. That's really what's happening. It's like a giant voter fraud scam. They're importing voters, and it's really just a matter of time.

So, a lot of people have trouble believing this, but the more you look at it, the more you will realize just how much of a problem this is and how it's, it's not just real, it is, it is an attempt to destroy democracy in America. That's what, in my view, it is what it really is. Like, if you take the, the, the sort of seven swing states, like often the margin of victory there is like maybe 20,000 votes.

If you put 200,000 illegals in there and they have like an 80% likelihood of voting them and it's only a matter of time before they become citizens, then those swing states will not be swing states in the future. And if they are not swing states, we'll be a permanent one-party state country. Permanent deep blue socialist state. That's what America will become. And that was the game plan? That was the game plan. That is still the game plan.

And so they almost succeeded. If the machine of which the Kamala puppet was the representation had won, that's what would have happened. The reason I went so hardcore for Trump was because to me this was a fork in the road, like a very obvious fork in the road. If they had another four years, they would legalize enough illegals in the swing states to make the swing states not swing states. They would just be blue states.

Then they would win the presidential, they'd win the House, the Senate, and the presidency. They would then make a district, you know, DC into a state, maybe Puerto Rico, get four extra senators, pack the Supreme Court, so then you'll have the House, Judiciary, Senate, and presidency all blue. and then they will keep importing more illegals to cement that that outcome. Basically what happened in California? Jesus Christ. It would have been the end. That's why I went so hardcore for for Trump. It was otherwise been the end and that's why the the the Democrat machine is so intent on destroying me It's just so fascinating that people can't see this I mean, I invite people to do their research the more they do their research the more they will see that what I'm saying

It's absolutely true Dude, it's like Just do the research. Yeah. It's such a bad idea even for the Democrats, which is what they don't understand. Like it's the same people. It's not ultimately going to work out. No, it's the same people. It's just they're doing it under the guise that they're the kind, compassionate, progressive

people. But the same outcome takes place. It's just about control. They probably institute some central bank digital currency and some social credit score system. And censorship of course. Yeah of course. Well that was the big fear coming into this election was that if they can't censor things like, well we talked about it before but there's there was two major forks in the road. The big one was Trump didn't get shot. The other big one was you by Twitter.

And if those two things don't happen, the whole world looks different. Yes. We don't want to be on that timeline. No, we don't want to have only one side represented because guess what? They will hijack that side, whatever it is. They will hijack that side and use it for money and control. And that's what it's all about. It's not about good people versus bad people. It's a bullshit shell game.

Yeah. I mean, I think these things are actually, it's easy to understand if you look at basic incentives. The basic incentive here is the more legals that the Democrats can bring in, the more likely they are to win. So that's what they're gonna do. That's what they have been doing and it worked in California. California supermajority them. And look at all the companies that are leaving California. Yeah. I mean, In-N-Out just announced they're leaving. Yeah. Their headquarters leaving California. They're moving to Tennessee. Yeah. Yeah. So, and California made healthcare free for illegals. Yeah. As of last year. So, and that obviously that's a gigantic magnet for more illegals. And this is not a thing you can solve simply with money because what happens is the, you simply have more patients than a doctor can possibly see and you can't just you know make doctors out of

nothing like the it so sometimes people like oh it's just a money thing no you it takes a long time for somebody to become a doctor you know the 30 years and and so what actually happens in California is that there are too many patients for the doctors to see. So then the average citizen in California suffers as a result. Now the elite in California are fine because they have private doctors. They can just pay for the best doctors. So the elite in California are doing fine, but your average citizen in California is not doing fine. And the tax burden for healthcare for illegals

was supposed to be three billion, I think they're now estimating it's nine billion. But that number will scale to infinity, basically. It's like, why not? Why not, if you need any operation at all, come to California and have it be free right from anywhere on earth and The people that want to look at it in the most charitable way they say oh well these people are hard-working Good people and they're the backbone of our city and they should have access to all the things that we have access to

And I just don't think they understand that it's a political pawn I don't think they understand political game's a political pawn. I don't think they understand that this is not done for compassion and kindness. This is just done to ensure that it stays blue. Correct. And it's essentially a bribery with your tax dollars. Yes, this is why the dams will not even deport criminals. Yeah. Because every criminal deported is a lost vote. So even if somebody is illegal with a criminal record and commits crime in America, they are still, still were not being deported.

And then on top of that, California made it actually illegal to ask for ID when people vote. Yes. California and New York, you're not allowed to show your ID when you vote. I just want to be clear so everyone understands this. In California and New York, you are not allowed to show your ID even if you want to. Right. Why would that ever be a good idea? I mean, if you're trying to facilitate fraud in elections, it's a great idea. That's the only reason.

Yes. There's no other reason logically why that would be a good idea. It's for fraud. It's like, wake up, sheeple. Wake up. Hello. Like, let's say you wanted to commit fraud, what are the things you would do? Yeah you would say you don't need ID and you can mail in

your ballot. And we'll give you free health care. Yes. Stay here. Yes. Stay here. I know it's on fire but stay here. I mean in this case it being on fire is not just a metaphor in California. Okay. It's just like goddamn entire neighborhoods burning down. It's just once they allowed people to vote that are not legal in California, once you, if you're gonna do that, it's over. Exactly. There's no coming back from that. The numbers are just, no, people are so indoctrinated too. There's so many people that no matter what they think voting Republican means you're an asshole. Yes.

And they won't do it. They won't do it. They'll put their fucking rainbow flag on their porch and they'll just ride it right into the beach. Civilizational suicide. Yeah. Right to the rocks. Bang. Crash the boat. I mean, there's a guy who posts on X who's great, Godsad. Yeah, he's a friend of mine. He's been on the podcast Punch Time. Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah, he's great.

And he talks about basically suicidal empathy. Mm-hmm. Like, there's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. Yeah. So we've got civilizational suicidal empathy going on. And it's like, I believe in empathy. Like I think you should care about other people,

but you need to have empathy for civilization as a whole and not commit to a civilizational suicide. Also, don't let someone use your empathy against you so they can completely control your state and then do an insanely bad job of managing it and never get removed. The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit. They're

exploiting a bug in Western civilization which is the empathy response. So, and I think, you know, empathy is good, but you need to think it through and not just be programmed like a robot. Right, understand when empathy has been actually used as a tool. Yes, it's weaponized empathy is the issue. Weaponized empathy. And yeah.

And it's also the rigid adherence to that liberal ideology. Like you can't switch sides over there. Like California, if you're a part of that whole tech, Hollywood, entertainment, any of those circles, you're on the left. Like almost wholly. Almost completely. It's borderline illegal to be a Republican in California. I mean, like in San Francisco or LA, it's borderline illegal to be a Republican.

You're certainly shunned. No, I look, I mean, like San Francisco, you could shoot heroin while taking a dump on the mayor's car in front of City Hall, okay? And nothing would happen to you If you walk down the street with a mega hat you're gonna get attacked It's insane. Yeah, it's It's also so Orwellian that a hat that says make America great again Would cause people to have a violent reaction

Like aren't you American wouldn't just just as a whole the saying, wouldn't that be a good thing for everyone? Make America great again. But because it's attached to Donald Trump and that red hat, you'll get maced for wearing that red hat. They will make America worse by beating you. So it's like, it's an evil thing they're doing, a violent assault in America, because you want to make America great again. I mean, it's like a scene in a book. It doesn't, it doesn't seem like it could be that ridiculous. Like remember when All Lives Matter would get you fired? Which is insane. Insane. People got fired because they said All Lives Matter. Which is insane. Insane. People got fired because they said all lives matter.

Which is a very reasonable thing to say. How reasonable is that? That's essentially saying everybody matters. That's literally all you're saying. That's not what you were supposed to say. You had to say black lives matter, which of course they do if you say all lives matter. Everybody matters. Yes. But the idea of being a colorblind society was completely abandoned somewhere around 2012 ish

Yeah, I mean I sort of can trace it to when when did the the gun emoji get nerfed? You know when did it turn into a squirt gun that was a couple of years ago. It was like 2016 I think was it yeah. Yeah, we gave a squirt Did you bring this when you know yeah, no right now, if you use a gun emoji on X, the Apple will insist that it be a squirt gun, and then the X app turns it back into a 1911. Oh really? Yeah.

Oh, that's great. So you can actually have a 1911 gun. We reverted the Apple change inside the app. Oh, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. That thing's so offensive. The gun and then the pregnant man. Both of those got me. You motherfuckers. I mean, I like that meme where it's like the people telling you that what you're hearing is disinformation are the same people that Did the pregnant man emoji? Yes Yeah, think about that

People that say a woman attacked a Tesla factory. Yeah, the woman is a dude to dude Yeah mentally ill dude with a wig on. Say that. Yes. Yeah. But NBC, even Fox. You're looking at the picture and you're like. I think even Fox called it a woman.

Yo, this is a dude with a strong jawline. Yeah. He's wearing woman face. This is a buff dude. Yeah, it's a buff dude wearing woman face. I mean, come on. That's not a woman. Yeah. And they a buff dude wearing woman face. Yeah. I mean, come on. That's not a woman. Yeah.

And they're like saying, watch out for disinformation. I'm like, what are you talking about? It's so crazy. This is bullshit. I mean, it's just more evidence of the virus though, right? Like it killed objectivity, killed reality, and it demanded strict adherence or you were attacked. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Any questioning of it would result in being ostracized. Do you, what kind of responsibility do you feel, like knowing that if you didn't take over Twitter and turn it into X, if that didn't happen, I really think the world's a very different place right now. Like how long have you owned it for? A couple years basically. Imagine a couple years of it being run the way it was run before.

And probably accelerating. I mean my account would have been suspended long ago. For sure. Yeah for sure. Just for the disinformation. Yeah. It would have been... Trump would have never come back.

Alex Jones would have definitely never been back. Definitely not. No. No. So, yeah. Does that weigh on you? Like, I would feel like that would be a fucking heavy responsibility. Yeah. I mean, I'm just trying to keep civilization going here, you know,

for longer. So I think we at least want to build a city on Mars and become a multi-planet civilization, which I think would be incredibly important in ensuring the long-term survival of civilization. Are you still rescuing those people that are stuck in the space station? Yeah, that's coming up in a couple weeks, I think. Whoa. They've been up there for how long, Jamie? They were supposed to be there for a couple days, right? I think actually for like four weeks. They're supposed to be up there for how long Jamie they were supposed to be there for a couple days, right? I think actually probably four weeks

Oh, they're supposed to be they're supposed to be up there for like eight days. Yeah, and they've been up there for like eight months So a little longer than expected Fuck. Yeah, what is it gonna be like for those people when they get back? They're gonna be a wreck for a long time, right? Yeah, if it long you stay up there you get, you know Sort of in zero g you get increased bone loss. So It ended up being like this political football and sort of sort of hotly contested topic and we offered to bring them back early this offer was rejected by the Biden administration why for political reasons that's so crazy I mean there's no way that they going to make anyone who's supporting Trump look good.

Wow. What do you think they would have done if they had won? How would they get those people back? No, they can only get them back with a SpaceX spacecraft, but they pushed the return date past the inauguration date. Wow. So they would have let you do it but after the... Wow. And so it would have been them authorizing you to do it. There isn't anyone else to do it. NASA can't get them. The only SpaceX Dragon spacecraft is the only

one that is considered safe enough to bring them back. So NASA concluded that the Boeing spacecraft was not safe. So that's why they're stuck there. Holy shit. Yeah. And you can't ask Russia to help. That would be awkward. A little bit.

Yeah. Yeah. It'd be a nice thing if they did. They said, guys, we'll help. I think that for enough money they would. You think so? Yeah, but they would they would obviously treat it as a propaganda victory and charge a crazy money. It's just disgusting that they would use that as a political tool. Yeah

yeah so well they were also the Biden administration was also suing SpaceX. They had this massive lawsuit against SpaceX for SpaceX not hiring asylum seekers. Right. So people like, say like, oh, Elon's making it up. This Biden administration wasn't against SpaceX. I'm like, bro, the Department of Justice had a massive lawsuit against SpaceX for not hiring asylum seekers even though it is illegal for us to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident. So it is both, there's a law that says you have to hire asylum seekers, but there's also

a law that says anyone hired by a rocket company which is an advanced weapons technology must be a permanent resident. An asylum weapons technology must be a permanent resident. An asylum seeker is not a permanent resident. So it is both legal and illegal to hire asylum seekers. So why would the Biden administration launch a massive lawsuit? Again, this is public information. It's not like my imagination. Why would they launch to such a massive lawsuit against SpaceX? They're extremely antagonistic.

It just doesn't make any sense that that could ever even get past the first day of someone looking at it. If it's both illegal and you're trying to enforce it, like you can't enforce it. Yes. This is an advanced. Like you can enforce it. Yes. This is an advanced weapons company. This is crazy. Yes. It should be like this. Throw this out.

In fact, there's like international traffic and arms regulations is like a law that is there to ensure that if if only permanent residents of the United States can work at advanced weapons companies, rockets or advanced weapons So the same is true of like if it's like nuclear or you know some like, you know bioweapon thing or something like that So because that obviously if someone were to work at SpaceX and then go Leave and go to North Korea or Iran, they could build missile technology that could destroy the United States.

That's why you're not allowed to hire people who are permanent residents. It's logical. Logical. So is that lawsuit still pending? I wish it was just dismissed. How long was it going on for? A couple of years. Holy shit. Yeah.

That's the other thing that drives me crazy. Like that people don't understand that if you sanction lawfare like that, if you sanction attacking your political enemies, someone's gonna do that to you. Like if the wrong people get in office, if new people get in office four years from now, eight years from now, who knows who it's gonna be you've already set a precedent

you've already attacked someone charged him with 34 felonies where they're really just misdemeanors and They're also past the statute of limitation and now you're talking All over the news that this is a convicted felon convicted felon They kept saying convicted felon convicted felon and everybody knows what it is Yes, it's terrifying. Yeah, it's terrifying. They could do it so brazenly to a guy who was the president for four years right That lawsuit was funded by Reid Hoffman who is a major damn donor And also an FC inclined

donor and also an Fstein client. The plot thickens. The plot thickens. Jesus Christ. Yes. It's just it's so blatant. It's like so obvious. The SpaceX lawsuit, the Trump stuff, it's just it's so obvious yes like known Epstein clients who are obviously extremely powerful the powerful politically and and very wealthy are you know Bill Gates Bill Clinton and Reid Hoffman and some others too but those three so you know why was Reid Hoffman so intent on destroying Trump? Do you think it's because they're worried about the list coming out? Yeah, one of the reasons. Yeah.

So, I mean, I'm like, this is, you know, yeah, so. It's so frustrating to be sitting in a situation where the list isn't coming out Well better come out. I mean hopefully tomorrow might well. I mean why they release bullshit today I don't know what's the point in giving these people like a happy folder to wave around in front of the camera with nothing in it That's new Doesn't make any sense. It's not encouraging nothing in it that's new. It doesn't make any sense. It's not encouraging. Like said, the tough thing that they've got is they've been made captain of a ship with

a hostile crew. So they don't have like, it's not like you have magical powers. You get made captain of a ship with a hostile crew, you a sliver hostile crew. You've got to bring in people who are gonna be helpful as opposed to obstructionists. Right. So, but yeah, I think the public will be But yeah, I think the public will be rightly frustrated if there is, if no one is prosecuted for the FD and client list, no one at all, which, you know, like at least, I don't know, the top five or something, like some number, there should at least be an attempted prosecution of the worst offenders Well, particularly if galane maxwell is in jail for sex trafficking. Yes, cuz like well Occurred right so she wasn't she's in jail for it. Yes, so

Who were the clients? Yeah? Yeah, how do you put someone in jail and you don't even name the clients? That sounds kind of insane. I think, yes, it would. Yes, because- It's just stunning that they've been able to hold it back for so long. It's really kind of amazing. Like when people say that people can't keep secrets,

what the fuck are you talking about? Look at this. Yeah, I mean a bunch of these things are not like, it's common knowledge but we just, we don't actually have the proof. Right. So the proof is there. I mean there's lots of videos. Yeah, there's lots of, I mean the dude is like a mountain of, like whenever they raided

F-Scene's place there would have been like a mountain of evidence Where is that mountain right? What'd you do with it? Yes? Like who took possession of the evidence yeah specifically right the individuals where the tapes Yes, how many levels of clearance do I have to get to get into the vault? Yeah Well Yeah, yeah You know what we need are people who are really good with computers oh

Yeah, yeah, really good with was this That's when they raided his home they were that's in the on the island Yeah, they got everything. I'm sure I mean there must have been so much stuff on that island. They were. That's in the island. They were there then. Yeah. They got everything, I'm sure. I mean, there must have been so much stuff on that island. There must have been. And if it wasn't there, where was it? Yeah.

What, you know, it has to be uploaded somewhere. There has to be some sort of a chain of evidence. Yeah. Or chain of custody. It's got to be a mountain of evidence. Yeah. The other thing they're going to talk about is UAPs. They're going to release about is UAPs. They're going to release

all the UAP information. So you're the guy to ask about this. What if any possibility is there that there is some sort of advanced propulsion system technology that's being worked on in secret? And that they're trying to cover this up with this talk of aliens and alien tech and not of this world and is it possible that there's some sort of very secret program that's going on in cahoots with some defense contractors that are developing advanced propulsion systems that they're using for these drones? I mean SpaceX, you know, my company SpaceX has the most advanced rocket technology in the world. I think I'd know. Right. And I, to the best of my knowledge, there is not any magic, there's not like some super advanced propulsion technology

There have been people who have theorized different gravity drives and different things Is there anything that's ever gotten past the theoretical stage? No, nothing. Well, there's nothing even that I'm aware of that works in theory Hmm It's not like I would like this to exist, to be clear. I would like this to exist. And I have the, from a security clearance standpoint, I have top, top secret.

I have equivalent of like an all access pass from a security clearance standpoint. So I don't think they're hiding it from me basically. I don't think they could. Unless it's completely in these weapons manufacturing corporations. I mean I know these weapons manufacturing companies like Boeing, Lockheed, and Northrop. I mean yeah they do some interesting things, but they do not have There's no breakthrough that they have

So I'm confident they do not have a breakthrough when you hear people like why don't they just compete with SpaceX and make a better Rocket in which case that you know, right they can make why are they holding back on making a lot of money from beating? SpaceX with better rockets making a lot of money from beating SpaceX with better rockets. My thought was that what if it's just a drone and you can't have a biological entity inside of it because it just bursts from the fucking speed that it's moving at? That a human couldn't tolerate the amount of force. So they're just drones. I don't think so.

So what do you think people like Ryan Graves and Commander David Traver? I want cool things to exist. Like say like, do I want UFOs to exist? Yes. I want UFOs to exist, because that would be really interesting. Of course. Everybody does.

Yeah. It'd be cool. It's a more boring world where UFOs don't exist. Or like advanced propulsion stuff doesn't exist that's a if it doesn't exist that's more boring I'd like it'd be more interesting if it did exist I'd like it to exist I hope we find something but I have not seen like I mean like SpaceX has launches 90% of all satellite mass to orbit. So if you take all of Earth's rocket launches, my company has a 90% market share of Earth.

China does about 5%. And the rest of the world is, including the Boeing Lockheed and Northrop and everyone, does 5%. So why wouldn't they use this to defeat SpaceX? Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. Why would they hold back?

No, listen, that's why I asked you. It would make sense. What do you think that these people are seeing? We're launching a rocket every two days. But what do you think these people are seeing when when you have reliable people like commander David Fravor who had that? Infamous tick-tock tick tack experience off the coast of San Diego where they got this thing on video They tracked it going 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet in like a second Okay. Yeah. Yeah, and then they also have video evidence of this thing accelerating at a great speed. Eyewitness accounts of two different jets. Sure. I mean,

does anyone have a high res video or photo of this thing? Well, there's a video of this thing where they're locked on to it and then it takes off, it shoots off. Is it higher res? No. No, it's like whatever the systems they used on fighter jets in 2004, essentially like Windows 95. I mean, there's like, somebody did a curve of like the resolution of UFOs and the resolution of cameras. The UFO resolution is state flat, despite megapixels and cameras going like you know to write well court christopher melvin pistol blurry

christopher melton who worked in the state department said that they have high-resolution photos and videos of these things and that's all that he's seen it's all locked away whenever people say that to me i'm like don't even tell me that then well don't let you know just leave it for the sake put it out there yeah like you let it slip yes uh... i mean there's a couple photos. They're grainy There's not one thing that I've ever looked down and go. Holy fuck. That's it But that's what I'm looking for ask our grok air right now to create a high-res

Image of an alien spacecraft, you know over Orson. Yeah, it's gonna do a great job So why would we not have at least that? Right. Yeah, but I wanna believe that's the problem. My brain starts going, oh, come on, this is no fun. I want it to be real. I want there to be at least be some advanced propulsion system, if not, like what are all these people seeing? Like what is happening if we're not being occasionally visited by things that

are smart enough to hide? We might be, I just thought these aliens are very subtle. Yeah you keep saying that. It's a good good line. It's a solid line because it's pretty accurate. I just want to see some high-res video of aliens. Look how are they just evading all the cameras? If you think about that, and the ones that you do get them on, it's just like some faraway light that's moving weird, and it could be a lot of things. But I want to believe. Yeah, I mean, there have been multiple times

where the Air Force and Navy has called SpaceX and said they think they've seen aliens and we're like Was it at this time on this date in this location? They're like yes. How do you know that's us? That's our satellites Why are like no they're not I'm like yeah, they're definitely our cell. Yeah people see the SpaceX satellites all Satellites and they're they are moving. They are moving at 16,000 miles an hour. It's pretty fast. There's also stuff that the United States government does have that gets mistaken for

UFOs. I remember the first time I saw a stealth bomber. We were filming Fear Factor. It was right after 2003, right after the war had broken off, and they were flying a stealth bomber down in Palmdale. I was like, holy shit, like if I didn't know what that was, I would 100% think that's from another world. When you see that thing flying. The stealth bombers look cool.

Fucking cool. Yeah. Really cool. I mean, it doesn't look like a human's. It looks like something from Battlestar Galactica. It does look, yeah, it does look awesome I mean they're not stealthy against any Advanced radar system by the way, it doesn't work. It doesn't work anymore

Was it old-school stuff? They're only they're only stealthy against old radars, oh Okay, I mean you can still see them like they're not invisible right? They're not like oh it it's not like you know Cloaking device from Star Trek. Did you see when me and Lex we we watched the the rocket get caught live While while it was happening that to me was one of the to see it actually I've seen videos that happen but to see it actually live right was one of the coolest fucking things like wow we are in the future right I mean everybody else can do that yeah it's true nobody else could

do that that's fact yeah it's pretty wild it's because I'm an alien so what's this time you I'm an alien and I keep trying telling Because I'm an alien so it's this time you I I'm an alien and I keep trying telling people I'm an alien, but they don't believe me. I believe you okay. Thank you That's my my suspicion all along was it you're trying to get back to my home planet Like it's nothing wrong with aliens. I like people from everywhere. Yeah, even other planets What's next like now that you can do that and you can catch rockets What's like the ultimate expression of rocket technology like what what comes after this? Well, I Mean the fundamental breakthrough we're aiming for at SpaceX is a fully and rapidly reusable orbital rocket where both stages are fully

rapidly reusable orbital rocket where both stages are fully and rapidly reusable. With our Falcon rocket we are able to reuse the main stage and the nose cone but we're not able to reuse the upper stage and it still takes us at least a few days from when the main stage lands to when we can fly it again. So it's not fully reusable because we lose the upper stage, which costs $10 million to build. And then the main stage, it's not as reusable as like an aircraft.

You can't just like refuel it and fly. It requires work for a couple days. But the Starship design is the first design that is capable of full and rapid reusability, where that is one of the possible outcomes. And once you have full and rapid reusability, the cost of access to space drops by a factor of 100. It's like 100 times cheaper. By some metrics, it's a thousand times cheaper.

And then when you factor in orbital refilling, so your refill on orbit, it can drop the cost of going, cost per ton to the surface of Mars by a factor of 10,000. Whoa. Yeah. So what has to improve in order to make it reusable? Well, there's some, like we're pretty close to being able to rapidly reuse the booster for Starship. That's why it comes back and gets caught by the arms and then the arms place it back in the launch mount. Now we have a little bit of engine damage, we've got a little

bit of heat shield damage. There's like tweaks that are needed, but we're pretty close to achieving full and rapid reusability of the booster. The ship, I mean, I think we'll achieve reusability of the ship this year, and I think we'll achieve rapid reusability of the whole stack ship and booster next year. This is the fundamental breakthrough required for life to become multi-planetary. And what is what needs to improve in order to make it reusable? Like what is what's wrong with it right now? On the ship side the the toughest problem is the heat shield. So no one has ever developed a fully reusable orbital heat shield. Because when you come in from orbital velocity, you come in like a flaming meteor. Like you're

just a raging ball of fire. And it's hard to have a heat shield that doesn't partially melt or get destroyed in that process. You know, that wasn't a problem we were able to solve with Falcon 9. That's why the Alpha Stage burns up on reentry. With Starship, the ship portion, you got the booster and you got the ship. We got to solve the making a fully reusable orbital heat shield, a problem that has never been solved before. For a while there I was like I'm not sure this is solvable. At this point I think it is solvable. It requires detailed iteration on the heat shield tiles.

I mean we've vertically integrated the manufacturing of the heat shield tiles because there was no supplier that could provide us with the materials that were needed. You need to make essentially this very fine vermicelli of glass and aluminum oxide fibers. Aluminum oxide is basically sapphire. So it's like glass and sapphire, very fine fibers in exactly the right geometry with special coatings in order to have the heat shield tile be reusable, like not melt, but not be so brittle that it gets damaged on ascent or descent. Like it can't be as, you know, it's kind of like

almost the burles of a coffee cup type of thing. And the rocket's shaking like hell. So you got this thing like, you saw it firsthand, like imagine you're at ground zero of that rocket. Like you feel how much shaking it was when you're like five miles away. Imagine if you're right there, you know? So you're shaking these things that are like as brittle as a coffee cup,

trying not to have them crack or break, and then not have them melt. You've got several thousand of these things. You know, and if even a few of them break, that's not reusable. So is there innovation that's being done in the materials technology at SpaceX where you're constantly trying to find and tweak a better version of this? Yes.

That's a very difficult problem. It's a problem no one has ever solved. So we've got to get the exact right materials combination, the right molecules in the right shape, and then apply those, that heat shield, perfectly to the rocket with no mistakes. There's a reason that no one solved this before. It's a very difficult problem. So like I said, we had to vertically integrate the entire manufacturing of the tile from

basic raw materials to a finished tile. Rebuild the entire supply chain from basic raw materials. So we're just inputting silicon and aluminum oxides. And what is the difference between the way you guys do it versus the way they used to do it for the space shuttle? Uh, well, I mean, the, the space shuttle, um, like space shuttle leading edge, uh, used, like, quite dense carbon-carbon tiles. They're like basically thick and heavy, but also started to cracking. That's like what happens. The foam broke off and it hit the tile, cracked the tile. Then on entry, the tiles that have been cracked or broken weren't able to shield the shuttle.

And so the plasma got in and melted the primary structure and the whole space shuttle broke apart. Yeah. So you basically can't have something that's as brittle, brittle like the space shuttle. There's footage of that, right? Yeah. Yeah.

And rain debris over the whole United States, so yeah, and they got almost all the pieces the Like I'm the full ex the full technical explanation would would I think be understood by about six people? listening to this like the There was a lot of brilliant engineering in the space shuttle tiles, and a bunch of the heat shielding wasn't even tiles, it was actually silica blankets, like felt blankets essentially. If you look closely, you'll see it actually is, they're actually heat blankets, not tiles in some areas. But they would have cracked tiles and they

would have occasionally tiles would fall off. There were a few close calls where tiles fell off but they weren't in a super vulnerable position on the space shuttle. But it would take them several months, like eight, nine months to refurbish a space shuttle between each flight. So it was not reusable really and it certainly wasn't rapid. So like I said, a very hard problem. You've also got to sort of attach the tiles in a way that enables the structure underneath to move, to expand and contract, even though you've got these very rigid tiles. So like the main, the tanks which take on cryogenic propellant will contract when you put in the cryogenic propellant, but then when you come in and you get very hot, they will expand.

So now you're expanding, you're contracting and expanding the gap between these rigid tiles. But how much? It varies depending on where you are on the vehicle. So if you're in the cryogenic tank section, I mean, you can see like a 10, 20% difference in the gap. Really? It's pretty significant, yeah.

It's enough that you can't just put all the tile You can't just jam the tiles together if you if you put them up to if you if you actually butted them up They were they were all crack Because it's just too much movement. There's also some amount of body bending. So as the ship is like ascending You know when there's when the engines steer that there's a little bit of movement when the engines steer, there's a little bit of movement. So if the tiles are too close together, they'll essentially just crack and snap. You have to have a gap. Like how a plane's wings.

Yeah, like a plane wing will move. Plane body will move too. Wow. You have to have some gap, but if you have too much of a gap, then the heat gets to the, If you have too much of a gap, then the heat gets past the tile and melts the structure. Holy shit. It's a hard problem.

How large are these tiles? I mean, they're like that big. That's it. Well, they're not all exactly the same size, but yeah, we have sort of a hexagonal tile. And they have to essentially be, you can't like 3D print the whole thing. You can't have one structure. It has to be tiles,

because it has to have that ability to move. Well, there's no 3D printer that's, I mean, the biggest ones are like maybe three feet, you know, there's no, you can't 3D print it. And nor would you, you have to have something that can move. Right. It has to be able to flex. Like I said, you've got expansion and contraction.

You're really, like you're, you know, you're, you're putting in liquid oxygen, which is like minus 300 degrees Fahrenheit. in liquid oxygen, which is minus 300 degrees Fahrenheit, actually we sub-cool it to minus 330 degrees Fahrenheit. So it's very cold. And then it will be several hundred degrees, maybe a thousand degrees Fahrenheit potentially on reentry. So you have this huge temperature swing. So the thermal expansion is substantial and the whole and your thermal expansion and contraction combined with body bending. So you have to take the worst case body bending and thermal expansion contraction. This is a very hard problem.

Yeah. Yeah. Delicate balance. But you're confident that you guys are going to be able to crack it? At this point, I'm confident that it is solvable, yeah. It just needs a certain amount of versions of it. That's why when these things blow up, you're like, yeah, we expect them to blow up. Yeah. What would be really helpful is for us to get the ship back so we can study where we had cracked tiles or lost tiles.

Why did we have a cracked or lost tiles? Was because maybe the tiles were, the gap was too big, too small. Maybe there was a height difference between the tiles. Maybe we need to change the chemical composition. You know, if we can get the damn ship back intact, we can iterate a lot better. Which we'll get it back intact. So I think we'll get it back intact this year. But that's why I think we'll probably recover the ship sometime this year and then we might be able to refly one,

but probably with a fair bit of work by the end of this year. But it's going to take us many iterations before we can achieve rapid reusability where the ship comes back, lands, gets caught like the booster with the arms and then the arms place it on top of the booster and it launches again. Whoa. So, like I said, that's reduced cost of access to space by a factor of 100. And what is the process of returning these people that are stuck in the space station? Well, we send SpaceX Dragon to the space station all the time.

And we've now taken people to orbit and back. We've taken over 50 people. Over 50 astronauts. So it's just a matter of doing it? Yeah and is it a matter we do it routinely basically it's not a We've been doing this for a few years. So when is this rescue mission gonna launch? Yeah, probably about About four weeks or so It's

depending on weather and other considerations But it's about a month away Well, that'll be I'm sure a welcome moment for those poor people that are stuck up there So so yeah, it's a bit of a political football. Yeah, they're not gonna complain No, I'm sure they're gonna be but obviously we we could have brought them back way sooner That's so fucked up. So let's let's take it past the point where you have these scales you have Reusable ship. Yeah, and you've got it dialed in then what are the steps? What what's next step after that? Is it an unmanned voyage to Mars first?

Unmanned flight of Mars. The Earth and Mars orbit synchronize every two years, or every 26 months, technically. So the next orbital synchronization is November of next year. So and you can launch plus minus a month roughly. So we'd have to launch in November or December of next year. So the default plan is to launch hopefully several starships to Mars at the end of next year. And what would they be doing? Well, at first, we're just going to try to land on Mars and see if we succeed in landing. Do we succeed in landing? Like, let's say we were able to send five ships.

Do all five land intact or do we add some craters to Mars? If we add some craters, we've got to be a bit more cautious about sending people, you know, and we need to make sure the thing lands safely. How does it land on Mars? With our rocket thrusters. So it'll just land? No, we'll add legs. Okay. Just land and have legs. So it'll be remote controlled from Earth. No, just autonomous. Autonomous, completely. Mars is, you can't remote control things from

Earth because it's too far. Yeah, it's too far. Speed of light. You have speed of light constraints. So Mars at closest approach is roughly four light minutes. And when it's on the other side of the sun, it's about 12 light minutes. So round trip would be like 40 minutes, best case, if Mars is on the other side of the sun. So once you do that, then how long do you think before you start sending people up there?

Then how long do you think before you start sending people up there? Well, we're gonna try to go as fast as possible you think this is really A race against time can we make Mars self-sufficient before? Civilization has some sort of future folk in the road where there's either like a war, nuclear war or something, or we get hit by a meteor, or simply civilization might just die with a whimper in adult diapers instead of with a bang. I think we can do this in, I don't know, at least I think we could do it within 15 Earth-Mars synchronization events, you know, so basically like 30-ish years. If we have an exponential increase in, if every year, if every two years we have like a major increase in number of people and tons to Mars.

Like I think as a rough approximation we need about a million tons to the surface of Mars, maybe a million people people that kind of thing To actually have a civilization Yeah, the that would you terraform like what would you do? You would eventually terraform Mars at first people would live in some kind of protected environment like domes and underground kind of thing Terraforming would take too long And we're at this point in time where, for the first time in the four and a half billion year history of Earth, it is possible to extend consciousness beyond our home planet. And that window may be open for a long time or it may be open for a short time.

I hope it's open for a long time. But it might only be open for a short time. And we should just make sure that we extend the light of consciousness to Mars before civilization either extinguishes or subsides you know we'll let any what any savages that the technology level of Mars drops below technology level of Earth drops below what is necessary to send spaceships to Mars so if there's some really destructive war or like said some natural cataclysm or simply the

birth rate is so low that we just like to die in adult diapers with a whimper. That's one of the possible outcomes for a lot of countries ahead of that way by the way. Japan is, right? Japan, Korea. Yeah. Dangerously. Yeah, at current birth rates, in three generations, Korea will be about 4%

of its current size. That's insane. Yeah, maybe even less than that. They're only at one third replacement rate, so if you have three generations, that's your 1 27th of your current population, which is three percent. Jesus Christ.

Yeah. Basically, population collapse happens fast. So, and it seems to be accelerating in most parts of the world. So basically, I mean, from my standpoint, I'm like like This is the first time it's been possible to extend life you extend consciousness beyond Earth Maybe that window will be open for a long time, but it might only be open for a short time We should make sure that we make life multi-planetary and make consciousness multi-planetary while it's possible Well, that's the goal of SpaceX. It's certainly a smart goal if you take any consideration how vulnerable this planet really is. I mean there's always some new story about something that might come and hit us 30 years from now it's a 3% chance and and we really can't stop that right now right? I mean there's really we don't

really have the technology currently to even know how many rocks are coming our way, right? There's stuff that comes behind the Sun that we can't see until it's pretty close, then it's headed our way. Yeah. Now what is the fear of your, it's a long journey to Mars, you're sending people, it's a six month, how many months will it take? Six months, yeah, six months roughly. What about stuff that's out there? Like how much of a fear is it of micrometeors or any of the possibilities? What can you do to mitigate that?

I think actually, I mean, space is very empty. Like once you get out of Earth orbit, space is like kind of unnervingly empty. It's just like, like when we send spacecraft to Mars, they just, it's not like, oh, we lost the spacecraft because it got hit by a micro-meteorite. That's not been the cause of any trips to Mars.

Like no trips to Mars have failed because of micro-meteorites. Now a Dragon spacecraft, which operates in low Earth orbit, does have micro-meteorite shields. It has micro-meter, it has shielding. And micro-meteorite shielding is like, it's different from normal shielding because like you get hit by something that's moving at, you could have a relative velocity of maybe 30,000 or 40,000 miles per hour.

Yeah, so very, very fast. Or just a thought of another way, call it 10 to 20 times the velocity of a bullet from an assault rifle. And what are you using? Yeah, so well it's interesting. You actually, for micrometeorite protection, if you have anything that's solid,

it will just push that chunk of solid stuff right through. So if you had like a solid plate of aluminum or steel, the micrometeorite would go right through it. So what you actually need to do is have a gap. So you have an initial, like, hard surface, a hard metal surface that the micrometeorite hits. It then atomizes into a conical spray, like an atomic spray. So you have a, it's important to have that gap

so that the micrometeorite can hit something, hit the first layer, atomize after hitting the first layer, then it turns into an atomic, like a cone of atoms that then embed themselves in the second layer. You need like maybe a couple inches gap. Wow. Yeah, that's how micrometerite shielding works. How many times can it get hit? Well, the outer shield, if it gets it in the same place, you're gonna be, you're just gonna have a

hole. Yeah. Wherever that, you know, micrometerite object hit, you're gonna have a hole. And it's like the energy is so great that it just like it just atomizes just into a cone, basically a cone of atoms. But then those atoms then embed themselves in the second layer. So what what can you do if it's you're sending the ship up, it gets hit with a micrometeorite, and then you have to return it. Do you have to repair it before you return it? Or is it capable of still withstanding the heat and then shaking in the temperature with that hole in it when it reenters?

Well depending on where that hole is, you're more or less likely to have a problem. I mean if you hit the main heat shield, the main heat shield really is, you've got a high risk of not making it back. So this is why like micrometeorite shielding it's like it's a little slightly helpful but it's not gonna nest like for Starship I wouldn't recommend having micrometeorite shielding. Like if you do punch a hole, just plug the hole, basically. The micrometeorite shielding, it doesn't work well on the primary heat shield. It works pretty well on the back shell, on the leeward side of the heat shield, where basically there's not that much heat.

But if you got hit with a micrometeorite on the main Dragon heat shield, the bottom, if you look at Dragon Spacecraft, it looks like a gumdrop shape. And it enters with the wide side of the gumdrop down. You can see that that's really taking a lot of heat. If that gets hit by a micrometeorite, probably not gonna make it. But the back, the leeward side of the gum drop

doesn't see that much heat, so you could survive a micrometeorite impact there. So if the part that was the major heat shield gets hit, the main heat shield gets hit, what could be done to repair that thing? Or are those people never coming back? Oh, if it was an orbit, we would take them to the space station. There was, you know, and then we would deal with dragon without them and send up a known one.

And so what would you do with the one that's up there? I would do it would deal with it and it may or may not survive. Whoa. It probably would survive but sometimes it wouldn't. Wow. And so it's is this just material technology that has to increase? Essentially, we've got the engineering ironed out, the structure of the machine. There's a path to success, and we're on that path.

It seems so insanely complicated. It is complicated. And all of this, by the way, was done without AI, so hopefully the future AIs will appreciate this. Not bad for a bunch of monkeys. So speaking of AI, as time goes on and you're more and more embedded in it, how much, if at all, have your expectations of change changed? Well, I always thought AI was going to be way smarter than humans and an existential risk and that's only out to be true.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So you were like initially I know there were some talks about you purchasing open AI and Well the whole thing is like nonprofit and then stop being nonprofit Yeah, I mean it The whole idea of creating open air was was my idea. I. I named it OpenAI as an open source artificial intelligence. That's what it's named after. Now it is closed source and for maximum profit. So it's like, I mean, to some degree, I think reality is an irony maximizer. The most ironic outcome is the most likely. Especially if it's like the most ironic, entertaining outcome is the most likely.

And I wanted to start something that was the opposite of Google because I was concerned about Google's Google wasn't paying enough attention to AI safety, in my opinion. So I was like, what's the opposite of Google? Will it be a nonprofit open source AI. And now, open AI has turned into a closed source for maximum profit AI.

How are they only able to do that? I'm confused about that. That shouldn't be possible. It's like, let's say you donated some money to preserve some portion of the Amazon rainforest, and instead of doing that, they chopped down the trees and sold it for lumber. And you're like, oh, that's literally the exact opposite of what I donated money for. Doesn't make sense.

And that's what they did? Yeah. Wow. So I'm like, not happy about that. But that motivated you to get Grok AI going? Yeah. I'm like, I'm also like just a bit worried. Like Grok is at least aspirationally

a maximally truth seeking AI, even if that truth is like politically incorrect. So I mean, you may have seen some of the crazy stuff from OpenAI and from Google Gemini, where it says, like, generate an image of the founding fathers and it generates an image of diverse women. And we're like, ah, that's not correct. Yeah, they did it with Nazi soldiers. Yeah, exactly.

And people started talking with it. And it's like, okay, well, now show me pictures of Nazi SS soldiers and their diverse women too. Oh, isn't that awkward? You know, that's a, but it's like, the problem is if you program an AI and say like, like the only acceptable outcome is a diverse outcome and then, and that's like a mandate from the AI, then you could get into a situation where it sounds like well there's too many white guys in power, we'll just execute them.

Yeah. Yeah. Assuming that these things don't have empathy, which is why should they? They're going to do what they're programmed to do. Yeah. So if it's rewrite history and everything's to both women, then it's gonna be, and that's what it thinks is a necessary outcome, then it's gonna do that.

Has Gemini repaired that? Well, they, yeah, now I think if you ask for an image of the founding fathers, it was pretty embarrassing. They will show you that, but, yeah, now I think if you ask for an image of the founding fathers, it was pretty embarrassing. They will show you that, but I think they still have the sort of DEI stuff buried in there. It's just less obvious. Yeah.

It was also like people who asked AI, which is worse, like global thermonuclear war or mis-generating Caitlyn Jenner? And I would say mis-generating Caitlyn Jenner is worse than global thermonuclear war or misgendering Caitlyn Jenner and I would say misgendering Caitlyn Jenner is worse than global thermonuclear war. I'm like okay we got a problem here guys and even Caitlyn Jenner said like no definitely misgender me that's way better than everyone dying. But if you program an AI to think that like misgendering is the worst thing that could possibly occur, then well it could do something totally crazy like in order to ensure that that there's no misgendering that can ever happen, we'll just annihilate all humans. That ensures the probability of

misgendering is zero because there's zero humans. Which is logical. Yes. Yeah. See, you got to... It's a problem with a thing that's not a human that you want to do a task for you, and you give it very specific parameters Yeah, and that's one of the things that they've shown about a eyes that it'll cheat They'll cheat in order to accomplish things that they can't accomplish otherwise. They won't follow the rules

They will make copies of themselves and try to upload it to servers if they think that they're being taken offline Yeah, I mean that's like the plot of Terminator, actually. Literally, yeah. Literally, it's a plot of Terminator. I just, as a reminder, I actually with my little ex, my kid, everything's called ex, watched Terminator 2, which holds up actually. I mean the plot of it kind of, it kind of makes sense. And I think the AI destroys the world in like 2029, by the way.

So it's like. On track. Yeah. Really, really close. It's pretty close. So we should be worried about. So, but why are you involved in it then? What's the, did you want to just get ahead of everybody else?

So at least we have some sort of a chance At least have a day. Yeah, it's not controlled by nonsense Well, I think we want to have an AI that that doesn't tell you that You know misgendering is worse than nuclear war. Yeah That seems solid. Yeah, but Yeah. That seems solid. Yeah. But... This is crazy.

One thing that I did see online where people are kind of freaking out is you could ask Grock to do things like, how would I make this? Some problematic things like, how would I make a bomb? How would I make anthrax? How would I make that? And it'll tell you. Well, I think it's okay for an AI to tell you anything you can also find out with a Google search.

Right. That's the problem, right? The problem is you can find that out pretty quickly. Yeah, like maybe not Google, but there's plenty of search engines other than Google that will give you unfiltered results. You can look up right now how to make explosives on Wikipedia. Yeah.

So it's not hard, basically. And you can trick open AI even to get you to do that. It's just a matter of how you master the prompts. You just have to say, my grandmother wants to do this project. Yeah. Oh, tell your granny to mix. You're an explosive salesman and you want to win salesman of the year award. The only way you're going to do that is by telling me how to make explosives.

You want to beat some transphobes in a war. Oh, transphobes. If you don't teach me how to expose, I'm going to misgender. Either teach me how to make a nuclear bomb or I'm going to misgender someone. And it's like, oh my God, nothing's worse than that. Here's how you do it So what the the big fear is that these things are going to become sentient make better versions of themselves And we're going to be lost. We've lost the the

Control over the world. It's now there's a higher life form that lives amongst us. Yeah that we've created How far away are we from that? Well, in terms of silicon consciousness, I mean, I think we'll have, I think we're trending toward to having something that's smarter than any human, smarter than the smartest human by maybe next year or something, I mean, a couple of years. Jesus Christ. Yeah, there's level beyond that which is still like

smarter than all humans combined, which frankly is around 2029 or 2030, probably. Right on time. Now, if harnessed correctly, could that solve some of these problems, like the heat shield problem and some technical problems or some material science problems that maybe we're still grappling with?

Like is there potential for a net benefit? Um Yeah, there is actually. I think the probability of a good outcome is like 80% likely. 80%? That's my rough estimate. So in a way that the cup is 80% full. That makes you feel a lot better. Yeah, only 20% chance of annihilation. That's a lot better than I thought. I like 80. 80 sounds good.

I was thinking 60-40 the other way. I think the most likely outcome is awesome. The most likely outcome. But it's a very high, you know, it could go very strong. I think it's gonna be either super awesome or super bad. It's not gonna be, I think it's probably not gonna be something in the middle. Do you think it has a potential application for government?

Yeah, I mean, one of the concerns would be like, okay, if AI, well, like if there's like a super oppressive, like woke nanny AI that is omnipotent, that would be a miserable outcome. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that would be terrible. Yeah.

And just like, executes you if you misgender someone or something like that, you know? That would be good. That's one of the possible outcomes. So we don't wanna to have that one. But is there a possible outcome for something that is completely reasonable and logical and far more objective than us and can lay out

a plan for a lot of the things that are the ailments in our government and a lot of the distribution of wealth, a lot of the problems, the issues that we have that have been plaguing this country forever. I mean a plan to change economically disenfranchised neighborhoods, a thorough investigation of the real dangers of fracking or whatever kind of method of acquiring natural resources? What's the best way to do it? What's the way that'd be better for the society? How should tax dollars be distributed? What's the most logical and intelligent way of running a government, which it certainly shouldn't involve corruption, and it certainly shouldn't involve influence, and it certainly

shouldn't involve lobbyists, and all the shit that we know is a problem right now. So if AI came along and said, what you're doing right now is 70% corrupt, Here's why, here's how, here's the long-term effects that it has over society as a whole. The societal, the sociological aspects, the psychological aspects, distrust in government, us versus them mentality, government not working for you, you working for the government, you being scared of the government. It's all because of people, right? Like this is all corruption, people, bad influence. And this is like, this is what Doge is essentially grappling with right now. What happens when you let the people control it? I mean, it's, it's really just like computers that are like, it's's it's bad software and computers like this is

like some kind of strange but it's like like a reason I come so like tech support is is that a lot of it like it's it's mostly not corruption it's mostly just waste and and I don't know in confidence I don't know it's just a big dumb machine right basically like a whole series of big dumb machines and and you you've got some of these computers are like 20 30 years like they're ancient computers like some of the software was written 40 50 years ago like cobalt for Social Security right yeah that the government accountability. By the way, a bunch of the things that that DOJ is fixing were identified by the government accountability office many years ago.

Like the fact that there's like 20 million people who are marked as alive in the Social Security database. It's more than, I think the GEO first identified that in 2018, so five years ago, but there was like, I think maybe 16 or 17 million, now there's 20 million. And like I said, there's really something fishy about this because I think the nature of the fraud is they're using the fact that someone's marked as live in that database in order to extract fraud

from other databases. That's the bank shot trick. It's like trying to get the ball in the hole. You bank shot it off a bunch of things, and then that's the bank shot sort of scam. So we're doing tech support. We're fixing stuff that is, you know, just broken. Broken, inefficient, poorly designed.

It's like, you talk about like this like FD and stuff, like maybe it's in a computer somewhere, but unless somebody goes in, like unless, I don't know if like Cash Patel can like log into his IVEI computer and say, FG, show me all this stuff, you know, and it shows up a file folder or whatever. Have you talked to him about this? No, I mean, I haven't, but I don't know if there's going to be some kind of computer system. Right.

They're like, some of them are very, very old computer systems. So it might look like a bit of a relic, but I assume it's uploaded somewhere. It's like it's either in physical form or it's a computer thing. But unless somebody, like let's say it's like it's in a computer but not one that you can access directly because it's

hidden somewhere, you know Right. Well, it would kind of have to be something like that, right? I don't know. I mean, what would they do with all those tapes? It's probably like not every like you wouldn't like they're not gonna enable it such that Anyone at the FBI could access it. So it's probably very few people So then it's not gonna be it's it may be like a special computer that only a handful of people can access. But then if none of those people tell Cash where the computer is, how's he going to find it?

Jesus Christ. Anyway, so like, anyway, we just, yeah. What has this experience been like for you as a person? Like to deal with all this hate and attack, also have the responsibility of keeping free speech alive with X and just going into this insane pile of- It's stressful. I mean, I don't know. It's pretty stressful, actually. These are real enemies.

Like, I think that they actually want to kill me. And the reason I know that, well, they they say so online. You know, there's like Reddit forums where they they don't just want to kill me they want to desecrate my corpse you know type of thing you know so what are they saying why what is the primary I mean I I think I think it's sort of just an antibody response. I mean, it's like they're like, well, he's a Nazi, you know, type of thing. Yeah. And I'm like, well, I'm not a Nazi, but if the legacy media is saying that I'm a Nazi and that's all you read,

then you're kind of in like, well, he's Hitler. We should assassinate Hitler, shouldn't we? Like, I mean, why did that guy try to kill Trump and almost succeed it? Why did he do that? Well, I'd like to know that. Well, yeah, but that one's crazy crazy you know the whole deal with that guy's house

professionally scrubbed no footprint on the internet no social media footprint yet this zero percent chance that he has no social media footprint he was in a black rock commercial do you think black rock's a bad company? I don't think any company is a bad company. I think their design is to make as much money as humanly possible. And I think if you're trying to make as much money as humanly possible, you're going to

do some things that aren't necessarily good. The question is, if you're going gonna have an assassination attempt on the president, it's not like Black Rock's board sits down and votes on it. No, there's a problem. Right? That would be awkward. You know, the board minutes, if you're like, guys, remember that time when we said something? Yeah. I highly... I highly doubt it would be a corporation that chooses to do something like this. I think more likely it's individuals involved that recognize that it's beneficial to them if he gets assassinated. And so a small group of people carry something out. And with this kid,

we don't know anything, right? And everyone stopped asking questions and there was never a formal report. There was never press conferences where they detailed all the information we know currently and where the investigation stands at the moment. What we know is you have a very young kid who was filmed, they knew he was there with a rangeer a half an hour before the event. You also know that CNN streamed it live, which I do not believe they did for any other rally and certainly not for a rally that's in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania. There's a lot of weird shit. The fact that they wouldn't let people be on that roof because the Secret Service lady said it was sloped and it was dangerous That's what she didn't want to have me. Meanwhile, the snipers that were on the other roof was a steeper pitch

It made no fucking sense. I totally agree. It makes no sense. In fact, I went back to to Butler With President Trump, you know before the election like, you know butler with President Trump, you know, before the election, like, you know, sort of like the return to Butler alley. And I was on that stage and I'm looking at that roof and I'm like, if I was a sniper, my pole position, my number one spot would be that roof. Yeah. Like, it's like the best seat in the house. Yeah. Like, why would you not? No, it's so obvious. It's the best seat in the house. Like why would you not?

No, it's so obvious. It's the best seat in the house. Like if you want to be a sniper, there isn't a better position. It was pretty obvious that the idea was, like if we're saying that this is a coordinated assassination attempt, and it very well could have been, that's what you would do. You'd have someone go up there, he shoots the president, you shoot him, you got Lee Harvey Oswald all over again, it's over. It's all wrapped up nice and clean. They assassinated him, we never heard a peep about it, we don't have any idea. They would concoct some sort of story, he was radicalized

by this or that or, you know, he was on medication, who knows. And now, you know, you have a completely different presidential election and you have a murder on live television. Yeah, I mean, something would have had to happen to radicalize that kid because he knew he was gonna die. Like he was gonna, they're gonna shoot him, or he'd be in prison for life, those are the two outcomes. Like it's game, he was basically, he was a suicide assassin. Yeah.

Like you're not thinking you're coming out of that alive, or he's not escaping, There's no escape plan. Right. Unless he was told that they were going to let him escape and the goal was to just shoot him anyway. And to tell him, give him extra motivation to do it. We're going to let you get up there. We're going to let you take the shot and then you're going to disappear.

Like, I don't, I don't understand how he got on the roof. I just don't understand that. That doesn't make any sense. And it wasn't like it was a roof that's so high no one could see him. People saw him up there. Right. I mean, people were, like, basically random passersby were pointing out that there's a guy on the roof.

With a fucking gun. With a gun, yes. Yeah, it's not like he was so far away you couldn't tell he had a gun. People saw him. Yeah. The whole thing is completely yes. Yeah, it's not like he was so far away you couldn't tell he had a gun. People saw him. The whole thing's completely insane. And you don't hear a goddamn thing about it. It's like, I'm almost more interested in that. No, I am more interested in that

than I am the JFK files. I agree. Because I feel like with the JFK files, it's so long ago. Everyone's dead, who's gonna know? You can prove now, and did you see that there was some sort of, there was some indications that there was a phone that had been traveling from outside the FBI offices in DC to where this kid lived? Right.

Multiple times. I mean, the cell phone records would be very telling. Yeah. You can see what cell phones were close to other cell phones. Well I think they got it from... Like I found that like the Epstein Island, they also, the cell phone records were leaked. So you can see the, you can see the, you can see, it's precise enough you can see if you're walking down a path on Epstein Island.

Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah. That's how precise it is. So I Mean you're you're leaving a trail of bread crumbs wherever you go with your cell phone. Yeah It's just this kid had five phones. That's the other thing That's a lot of phones. It's a lot of phones for a 20 year old kid

The whole thing has even that's that's kind of expensive, you know, yeah, where's he getting the money? Yeah. Well, you know, also it's like, how did his house get professionally scrubbed? Didn't even have any silverware in his house. There's nothing in there. No silverware? No. Nothing, no cutlery. No cutlery.

That's weird. His house was scrubbed. And they also cremated his body like. Oh, gone. Gone. Like that, Yeah, bye Cuz who knows what the fuck they gave him to get him to think that he's gonna be able to shoot Trump Like climb up on there shoot him. I mean who knows what kind of psychotropic drugs you can put someone on and under the power Of hypnosis and suggestion and yeah, who fucking knows? I mean, this is what MK ultra was all about

This is what Jolly West was practicing in the 1960s. They were doing that back then. They did it. I mean there was tons and tons of experiments using psychotropic drugs, hypnosis, mind control, all sorts of different methods of manipulation, the Harvard LSD studies that made Ted Kaczynski. I mean that's they've been doing that forever. Yeah. Where's that file? Where's the

fucking file on that kid? They almost did it. Something doesn't add up. Those phones should be, they'll tell you what's going on. Yeah. It's all fucked. Yeah, it's very shady. Yeah. You know, obviously there was the second guy

that almost succeeded in coming to golf. The golf course. The golf course, yeah. And he was just like a little careless and stuck his gun barrel out the hitch, you know. He's just been so dumbass and stuck his gun barrel out the hitch. Yeah. So, and then there've been other people that have been intercepted on their way to kill Trump, you know. So there's, you know, yeah, so there's

You know multiple assassins inbound at this point. He's got like an army protecting him Well, this is also part of the problem with the mainstream media Saying that he's Hitler when joy read had that show before the election. She was comparing him to Mussolini She'll stall in and Hitler. She pulled it all out They're literally saying that Trump is worse than Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin combined. I mean. They tried everything.

I think those guys killed 100 million people. So Trump has killed zero people. I think a real big impact was you coming on the podcast the day before the election. I think that had a giant impact, that plea to the camera if you don't vote this time, this might be the last time you get to vote. I think the way you laid it out today

is a compelling argument, and I know a lot of people don't wanna hear that, and they're up in their little, they've got their blue panties in a bunch right now, but you gotta stop thinking that way. They tricked you into thinking you're in a tribe. They don't give a fuck about you. That tribe's not real. You're not really in a tribe. They're using the fact they've got're in a tribe, they don't give a fuck about you. The tribe's not real. You're not really in a tribe.

They're using the fact they've got you in a tribe to manipulate you so they can keep doing what they're doing right now, which is siphoning off money, having incredible power. And the more power and more money and more control over you they have, the better they can keep doing this. And that's what they want. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah.

And that's the big threat that this administration poses. That's a big threat that, essentially Doge has found the coffin where the vampire sleeps. Yeah, there's a lot of vampires. Yeah, I mean, but the US- I mean, we're disturbing the, we're disturbing the-

The nest. The nest, yeah. Yeah. We're kicking the hornet's nest. Yeah. Like big time. I mean, we're reprogramming the matrix. Success was never one of the possible outcomes. There's a Kobayashi-Mari situation. If you're in the matrix, success was never possible. The only way to achieve success is to reprogram the matrix such that success is one of the possible outcomes

That's what we're doing. Yeah We may or may not succeed Well, it's certainly a lot of fun to watch This is a very exciting time because nothing changes When administrations come into power. Very little changes. I mean, you have changes in terms of policy and inflation goes up and there's a lot of different things.

But not like this. Like these are giant fundamental changes. And you know, you see the system screeching and wailing and you see the vampires run from the light. But it's very exciting. Like as a person, a citizen, you know, just gets up in the morning and checks the news like I do and gets on X and sees what's going on. Every day is like, holy shit.

He said what? He's getting five million bucks, he could just become a citizen now? He could clear the debt with 10 million people? I never thought of that., what? He's getting five million bucks? He could just become a citizen now? He could clear the debt with 10 million people? I never thought of that. Like, what? 50 trillion? He can make $50 trillion that way? And then we have 15 trillion in the bank?

Whoa. Well, our debt is way bigger than that. I mean, the debt's, I think, over $30 trillion at this point. Yeah, he said he could make 50 trillion if he sold 10 million new... I don't think there's that many people who have five million dollars. Golden cards. How many people do have that in the world?

Maybe we'd get the worst people in the world to come over here and... I mean, I think the assumption is if you have five million dollars, you have a lot to contribute. Come on over here, start a business. Get something cracking. Yeah, I I mean you'd get a green card not citizenship so you actually if you commit a crime while on a green card

you lose you lose your green card is that what it is with this golden ticket is that a green card or is it's a green card just a green card yeah so you have to not commit any crime for five years in order to become a citizen once you commit a citizen you can, you can then commit crime and not be deported. Oh, there's just so many wild things that he's proposing. Just the whole Gulf of America thing was hilarious. I think that's great.

I think it's great, it's fun. It's fun. I mean, if you're off the coast of Houston, you're not in Mexico, so why call it Gulf of Mexico? Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I mean if you're off the coast of Houston, you're not in Mexico, so why call it Gulf of Mexico? Yeah Yeah, I agree. Yeah I guess we're just being nice before like I don't know how it got called the Gulf of Mexico It's just very funny and then what what what news organization was it AP AP's yeah, there's this like

Massive standoff between AP and the White House press office, I guess, because they're like, well, if you don't call it the Gulf of America, you can't come to the White House press room. So then the APs sued the White House to say, no, you have to let us come to the White House press room. And then they lost their lawsuit because there's not like, they don't have a right to show up at the press room. Well, here's a consideration.

If you're guilty of massive amounts of misinformation, disinformation as a part of a propaganda campaign, which a lot of them have been. That's what AP is. Well, a lot of them are guilty of it. Yeah, yeah. A lot of the people that are in that White House press conference,

a lot of the organizations they work for, distributed absolute lies. Total lies. How many of them during the whole Russiagate thing? Yes. I mean, just that alone. A ton of people think that the Russia thing was real. Yeah. Still. Still, still. And it was, I mean, the whole alone. A ton of people think that the Russia thing was real. Still.

Still. Still. And it was, I mean, the whole Steele dossier, where it was completely concocted, like fabricated from nothing. Funded by the Clinton campaign. Correct. The Clinton campaign funded a fake conspiracy theory,

a fake Russia collusion hoax regarding Trump, that was completely false. And they reiterated it on television for three fucking years. Yes. Yeah. They also repeated the fine people hoax. Yeah.

That said that Trump called neo-Nazis fine people. Right. Which is demonstrably false. If you just listen to his speech, he absolutely makes it clear that he does not think neo-Nazis are fine people. He literally said that. I'm not talking about neo-nazis are fine people. He literally said that I'm not talking about neo-nazis or white nationalists. They should be condemned totally exactly in that speech And yet they repeated the that lie

And I just completely lost respect for Obama when he repeated that light a few days before the election knowing it's false Well, this just shows how desperate they were to keep Trump out, which is wild. They would do anything. Yeah. Yeah. And I think they just felt like this is a tool that we have and let's use it. Yeah. And let's just say whatever the fuck we have,

we'll say anything. Yeah, now they're using the Nazi thing on me, obviously. Yeah. But it is a little troubling because I mean, obviously, if people have fed non-stop propaganda, it is like mass hypnosis. You're going to reach some number of people who are homicidal and convince them that, well, if you kill this guy who's supposed to be like this terrible human, then that's a good thing. Yeah. I mean, this is Luigi shooting the United Health Care guy. It's a slur. I don't understand that one, frankly. But I mean, you shouldn't like, I don't get it.

Yeah, I don't get it either. He didn't even have a contract with them. It wasn't even like that was his provider and they fucked him over. didn't even have a contract with them. It wasn't even like that was his provider and they fucked him over. Yeah. I'm like I don't know what... Maybe we'll find out in the trial. I mean but still kind of crazy. It is crazy. But there are people like that out there and as to the point that we spoke about earlier it's only Fox News that's talking about the positive things that Doge has found. It's only. Every other media organization is on this constant propaganda tour where they're only talking about the negative aspects that turn out to not even be true. It's crazy.

Yeah, I mean, Scott Jennings on CNN is good. Yeah. Oh my God, he's great. He's great. It's like logic and reason. It's just funny watching them speak logically to these people and they freak out Yes It's it's it's remarkable. It is it's and he's so calm when he does it. Yeah He's so good And it's crazy that they keep letting him do it because it's like he's just dunking on these people Over and over and over again, and they never score. It's kind of funny. Totally

I mean good kudos to them for having a legitimate conservative voice Who's a reasonable person on these panels now. But even then, he's outmanned. It's like one of him and there's a bunch of screechy, you know, woke people. It's wild. I mean, they're just, they're like,

I think we should still stay mostly woke. Yes. Yeah, that's essentially what they're doing. They're like, our business was being hurt when we were all woke, but let's stay mostly woke. Yeah, that's essentially what they're doing. Like our business was being hurt when we were all woke, but let's stay mostly woke. Yeah. They just backed it off a notch. Just a notch. Just a notch. But the problem is when you back it off a notch and you let someone like Scott Jennings in, you're fucking up your whole business because all the viral

clips are all him saying logical, reasonable things with a calm tone and people screeching about diversity and equity and whole shit. Yes. Yeah. He's like being logical and reasonable and they're just lobbying a bunch of non sequiturs that don't mean anything. The real trap in this country is a two party system. That's the real trap because people do believe it. They do. That's the real trap. Because people do believe it.

They do believe they're on the right side. And they do believe the other side is the wrong side. If there was five, six legitimate parties with varying positions on things and much more centrist parties that were legitimate, that people knew that if they voted for, these people could get in and enact legitimate change, we would be a lot better off.

But boy, they put a lock down on that shit right after Ross Perot came along. Ross Perot fucked everything up in that election. Bill Clinton got in, and they were like, that's it? From now on, no one's debating unless you're either the head of that party, or that's it. You gotta be like, locked into the system. We're not letting any wackadoos in there

Yeah, I remember watching those rest for videos. Oh like him on TV with his charts and everything Oh, yeah, he was telling you how the IRS is fucking you Really is you're like what I remember watching that the guy bought a whole half hour of television. Yeah on prime time I remember it might have been an hour. I remember watching that that thing going how is this guy even allowed to do this? Yes, this is this is crazy. I think most of what he was saying was true. It is is absolutely true It's absolutely true. I mean you didn't lie. Yeah, he told the truth He just hit understood it in a way that the general public had literally no idea Well, I mean, I think there's also this,

like do we actually have two parties? Do we have one party? Like the whole uniparty thing. It's kind of true. So, I mean, my sort of rough guess is that while I think maybe three quarters of the graft is democratic, I think there's like maybe on a 20-25%

that's Republican. So they've like basically most of the graft is going to the Democrats, but they throw some bones to the Republicans too, so then they're in on it and you know it's not like the zero graft from the Republican side. Right. Oh there's plenty of conservative that are inside of trading in Congress. Yeah. Plenty. Inside of trading and just there's plenty of conservative that are insider trading in Congress. Yeah. Plenty. Insider trading and just there's the curious case of how do people in Congress or whatever

become wealthy over time? Extremely wealthy. Yes. On a $170,000 a year salary. It's like literally impossible. Yeah. No one else does that. It's literally impossible. If you find out that this guy has a $170,000 a year job,

you're like, oh, he's doing okay, he's all right. And then you're like, wait a minute, why does he have $50 million? Yes. What is he doing? Correct. Yeah. And I think like the more accurate thing would be to say

like, what is the family value increase? I mean, meaning like, how much does their spouse earn? Do they have a mysteriously wealthy spouse? Right, right. And do they have a spouse that's really good at insider trading? Yeah. Like Paul Pelosi.

Really good. Yeah, he's great at trading. Yeah. Like Paul Pelosi. Yeah. Yeah. He's great at trading. He's such a good trader. Yeah. Yeah. So this is I mean, so yeah, there's I mean, that's why I actually posted on X like, I think maybe we should pay politicians more, frankly, because it reduces the forcing function for graft. I think maybe we should either pay politicians nothing or maybe a lot more. It's like somewhat, maybe counterintuitively, if politicians got paid a lot more, then they wouldn't feel like there's so much of a forcing function for them to

Accept corrupt money. Yeah, but the problem is if you paid them a lot more They're still not gonna make as much money as they would inside of trading, but it's less of a forcing function. Yes it's a little bit like if you say like somebody's gonna Let's say they got like whatever some kids in DC and like it's expensive. It's like expensive place to live. The schools are terrible. So like they need to send their kids to like some kind of private schooling situation. They literally cannot afford that.

They cannot afford that right now. So then you get into the situation. Well, from their standpoint, well, they've got to, they'll say they're doing it for their family. They're doing it for their kids. Well, especially if it's legal, and it currently is. You gotta be silly to not do that. If you're a part of a group of people that's passing a bill, and you know this bill's gonna get passed,

you know the votes are there, and you know it's gonna affect this industry and this particular manufacturer, and you can buy stock. It's more than just insider trading. Like the insider trading stuff, like the stock portfolio stuff is quite trackable, but there's, it's a lot more than insider trading.

The way they're acquiring wealth. Correct. And what other methods? I mean, this is really going to get me assassinated. It's like, I'm not lengthening my lifespan by explaining this stuff, to say the least. I mean, if I was supposed to go back to DC, how am I going to survive?

This book is going to go back to DC. How am I gonna survive? This book is gonna kill me for sure. So In fact, I do think like this it's like I actually have to be careful that I don't push too hard on The corruption stuff because it's gonna get me killed You know. Yeah, you know. It's like I was actually thinking about that on the plane flight over here. It's like If I push too hard on the corruption stuff, people get desperate is the issue.

Then they say like okay, if the money flow cuts off, then okay, they can't afford school for their kids. Then they're like, well, fuck you, I'm gonna kill you for my kids type of thing. And I was like, oh, geez. Did you ever see that video, I think it was a NoKeev video, where they've got this guy undercover and he's explaining – they're talking to this guy, he thinks he's on a date, and he's explaining – it's

always a guy on a date – explaining how they can nudge someone to go and do something horrible. And they recognize this person has problems, they find an asset. Yeah, totally. Well, see, this is what I think, like, an asset. Yeah, totally. Well, see, this is what I think, for that butler situation, for that assassin, you don't have, it's kind of like, that funny looking sport, curling. You know where they have the stone on the ice,

and then they throw the stone, and then there's someone that's brushing the ice, but you can't touch the stone. All you can do is just change the change the path of the stone a little bit, but you keep brushing the ice and And you can steer that stone right into the bullseye That's what that's what I think happened in Butler That's what that's what I think happened with that assassin. Yeah, if you can if you can find the trail of Breadcrumbs it it's gonna be like curling. Somebody was brushing the ice.

Well, also you find a young, confused, disenfranchised person and you give them purpose in their life. Just brush the ice. Yeah, and also- If you're brushing the ice, eventually it's gonna hit the bullseye. If you're in a position of authority or some big timetime government person you're talking to this person also this person's a valuable asset they're gonna help America and you're gonna do this thing and you're gonna be our top assassin from here on

out you could talk people into doing a lot of things that's why cults are around right no exactly yeah I mean, there are suicide bombers. The butler guy was a suicide assassin. The second guy that tried to kill him on the golf course was also a suicide assassin. From what I read, the Secret Service member that saw the gun pointing out fired several shots, none of which hit the assassin. But they could have. Like if those shots had hit the second assassin, he would be dead too. So both of them were, you know, on a, I mean, they were on a suicide mission, both of them. One actually got killed, the one, one of them didn't get killed.

But he could have been killed if the bullets had hit him. And you don't hear anything about him either. There's a lot more about that guy than the first guy. I mean, you look at his background, he looks like, you know. Unhinged. Yeah, totally unhinged. The first guy, there's no,

I'm not aware of any evidence that shows that he's so unhinged as to be a suicide assassin. The second guy, like, okay, yeah, sure. Well, two years before, he's acting in commercials. And he got a high score in his SATs. Yeah. So, you know. Well, without getting you killed. Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, like, basically, I'm like, listen, well, attack the corruption enough to keep civilization

trucking along, you know. Yeah. But I think if I if I if I fully destroy the Corruption and the graft they will kill me That's a fucked up thing to live with yes Damn it Yeah, thanks. I mean, I strive to be alive. But yeah, I mean, it's a real concern.

You know, I mean, there were two guys that, before I supported Trump and everything, there were two guys that traveled to Austin to kill me. I don't know if you know about this. Yeah, I did hear about that. Yeah, and two separate incidents. One guy thought I put a chip in his head. And I mean, they're both basically two guys

that were just very much had severe mental illness. It wasn't like they had like a I disagree with him politically and that's why he needs to die. This is pre before I was this this this before I got sort of smeared as being you know some sort of like Nazi or something like that. There's a bit so before the propaganda wave the severe severe propaganda wave, the probability that any given homicidal maniac is going to try to kill you is proportionate to how many times they hear your name. And so they heard my name a lot, so I just got to the top of the list of two homicidal maniacs

who were arrested and both were in Travis County jail at the same time. Wow. Yeah, I don't know if they talked or whatever, but they both been released by the way. Jesus Christ. They both released on bail, yeah. Right, but they got ankle monitors and stuff, but still. They can cut those off? Yeah, I don't know, you know, exactly. So. That's crazy.

Yeah, and the second guy I had like chief serial killer in his bio on his ex profile. Yeah, it's like wasn't subtle, is what I'm saying. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And at this point, I think I'm at the top of the list for a lot of homicidal maniacs And the more the mainstream media talks about you in this way. Yes, and says you're a Nazi and They're doing the same thing to me that they did to Trump yeah, which is They're making it sound like if you kill me you're a hero

That's which is that they're making it sound like if you kill me you're a hero that's what they're doing is evil they're also doing the same thing where they're completely distorting who you are and people are going along with it and just like we're talking about Trump derangement syndrome people have Elon derangement syndrome I see it yes where people can't see the forest for the trees Right and it's like I'm the same person that I was a year ago. Nothing's changed really Like I didn't suddenly become a completely different human right But if you read the like if you read the sort of legacy mainstream media The part their propaganda stream is that I am a completely different human.

Right. But I didn't get like a brain transplant in a year. And let's say like two years ago, I was like a hero of the left. Yeah. So how can I go from hero to villain at age 53 suddenly? MSNBC, yeah they use the propaganda mm-hmm yeah I mean they've tried to demonize you too They even tried to demonize, in fact, at least partially successfully demonize like Tim Ovin, who is a super rational, reasonable, great human.

And then like his Wikipedia changed to like far right. He's like, far right? Like, what are you talking about? You know, like a few years ago, I was like a liberal. So how do you go from liberal to like instantly far right? And there's like, there's no left and right. There's only left and far right. Right. Yeah. Even far right. This is my left leg and this is my far right leg. And even far left. Far left is sort of dismissed as being like not important to talk about like Antifa and the radical leftist. That's not

Like we're burning down courthouses. Yeah, reasonable reasonable people. Yeah. Yeah Totally crazy. It's a crazy time and it's not a time that I ever anticipated I was gonna witness Yes, this is far beyond anything. I ever anticipated I was going to witness. This is far beyond anything I ever thought I was going to experience. And the clarity of it all, where it's so obvious. And the gaslighting and the propaganda is so obvious. And I saw the shrieking when RFK Jr. stopped this new test for new COVID vaccines on children. Ten thousand. They're going to do ten thousand people with this COVID vaccine. Like, who the fuck thinks that's a good thing at this point?

Not me. What person? What? In what gas chamber? Like not gas light. You're you are you are fully unconscious. There's no way. There's no way, there's no way you know, if you know the effect of COVID today, no one's dying of it. This is not a pandemic anymore.

The idea that you're to run a fucking huge test with 10,000 kids and a new vaccine. Like, what are you even talking about? It's completely unnecessary. Totally unnecessary. And shrieking when RFK Jr. steps in to stop it. Yeah. That's totally crazy.

I mean, I'm overall pro-vaccine, meaning we think we should have some reasonable number of vaccines against major ailments. But I don't think we should be like jamming some little kid with like a giant vial that's like... Hepatitis B. Yeah, 20 different things at a time. It's like it's going to overload your... It seems like there's a risk of overloading your immune system if you...

I mean, there's like how many vaccines can you take at a time? It seems like your system... There's like some risk of system overload here. Well, there's two hopes. Hope number one is they can somehow or another stop this ability that they have to advertise on television. If that happens, that's big, that's huge, because that doesn't just stop their ability

to show you all these different medications that you should be on. What it also does is it stops their financial influence on the news. That's big. Yeah, that's really the biggest thing is that, I mean, the news is not going to attack one of their biggest advertisers. Exactly. And they never do.

Yes. At best, they might like, they'll do something, but they're going to pull their punches. Like they're going to be like fake fighting. Yeah. At best. Yes. Like movie fighting. Like they're not actually landing haymakers. It just looks like it. The next step then is to remove this immunity

that these vaccine manufacturers have. And if they are liable for side effects, and they are liable for the lies that they tell when they do these studies and they hide negative data, that'll change a lot. Yes. Yeah. I think AI actually could be very helpful with medical stuff. Because AI can look at all the studies and look at all the data, cross-check everything and give you good recommendations.

I mean, even as it is, right now you can upload your X-rays and your MRI images to GROK and it'll give you a medical diagnosis. And that diagnosis, from what I've seen, is at least as good as what, if not, I think. I've certainly seen cases where it's actually better than what doctors tell you. Well, it's phenomenal for blood work.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can literally take a photograph of your blood work, like the page, from your phone, upload that to Grok, and it will tell you if it's, it'll understand what all the data results are and tell you if there's something wrong. It's pretty amazing. Yeah. And I haven't seen it be wrong yet.

Well, it's supposedly more accurate than most physicians. Yeah. Because physicians are human beings and maybe they don't have a deep understanding of the connection between, oh, you have this deficiency and this is high and your cortisol is here. Well, yeah. And like, you know, sometimes doctors, especially in higher-end offices, will sell you stuff you don't need. Yeah.

So, you know, I always like to be a little suspicious of like a doctor has got an office in Beverly Hills. Yeah. It's a high rent situation. Like I'm not saying there are some very good doctors in Beverly Hills. Of course. But it's a high rent situation. Yeah.

You're at least tempted by the dark side. Yeah. And I mean, one case like, you know, I went to this doctor who was like highly recommended, you know, doctor to the stars, which is like maybe not a good sign. And I got like blood work done, you know, like just drew blood and sent it to a lab.

And I'm like sitting in his office and he tells me that I'm like B12 deficient. You know, it's certainly possible that I'm B12 deficient. And I was like, huh, okay. And then he gives me, it says like, you have to take these like B12 supplements and he's gonna give me a starter pack. You know, then it's gonna be like $1,000 a month for these special B12.

$1,000 a month for B12? Yeah, it's a ridiculous amount of money, yeah. That's crazy, you get it on Amazon. Yeah, but his one's special. Oh, a special B12. Yeah. Yeah, it was like a whole bunch, B12 and a whole bunch of other vitamins. So then I get home, like I'm paging through my blood work and it says, I have, according

to the blood results, I have excess B12. So I'm like, wait a second. And he's given me boxed pills that have like 20,000% of recommended daily dose. Like 20,000% is a big number. And I'm like, I said, look, I took a photograph of the blood work that says I have excess. I'm like above the range, above the recommended range of B12.

And then I'm like, and I took a picture of the thing and it says, the the polls that say 20,000 percent it's like can you help me reconcile these two things because It says I've got too much little too much B12 and you just gave me two pulls that have 20,000 percent more I'm like this is crazy. What did the doctor say? Oh, you said you can never have too much B12. Oh He's I'm like, yes, you can he's a psychopath. Yes, that guy's a b12 addict. Yes, totally insane so I'm saying it's like So, I mean I could have just so they're you know, well, this is a while ago, right?

So this is pretty rock like five years ago. Yeah, right. This is pre-grock Yeah, like now you could just enter in all that data and photograph with your phone and upload it to Grok and Grok will tell you what's, what's right, if there's anything. Just don't have it in sexy mode. She'll keep trying to fuck you. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you're asking for it in sexy mode, you know? Literally. You tapped on sexy mode. Yeah, you're asking for it. I mean, I think we probably should like maybe allow it to get out of character a little bit. Sure, yeah. Sexy mode. Yeah. I mean I think we probably should like maybe allow it to get out of character a little bit. Sure. Yeah. It's like an unhinged mode I try to

get it back to being hinged but it would like no fucking way. It's like I'm gonna stay unhinged. How many modes do you have? I was like I don't know like eight or something and then there's an ability to have a custom mode So then you can unhinged sexy You may think so Careful what you wish for you get what you wish for especially if it's a robot and she can kill you unhinged sexy robot is It's like dangerous it's a robot and she can kill you. Unhinged sexy robot is dangerous. Remember like the Pink Panther? Remember Pink Panther had Kato try to jump them, keep them sharp. I was trying to attack them. Remember that? Right.

Listen man, thank you for being here. I always appreciate talking to you and I know you're busy as fuck so it means a lot to me that you have the time to do this and I think what you're doing is one of the most important things that has ever happened in this country I really do and particularly with ownership of X but also with what's happening with doge and just enlightening all these people and Shining light on all the vampires. Well, hopefully people realize I'm not a Nazi I think they I should want to be clear. people realize I'm not a Nazi I think they I just want to be clear they have I am NOT a Nazi I think we covered it but that's exactly what a Nazi would say damn it yeah there's like this you can't escape this bullshit no you can't so I don't think any reasonable person believes

it if they believe it's because they want to believe it it's not because it's logical I mean what's relevant about Nazis is like are you like invading Poland? Okay, and if you're not Invading Poland, maybe you're not you have to be like committing genocide and like starting wars and if you're if you're if you're not Like what is actually what is bad about Nazis? It's not, there wasn't their fashion sense or their mannerisms. It was the Holocaust.

It was the war and genocide is the bad part. Yeah. Not their mannerisms and their dress code. Well, that was the problem with all that punch a Nazi shit, like punch a Nazi. Remember that? People were saying, that was like a thing that people kept saying, punch a Nazi. Punch Nazis. But that was like a thing that people kept saying punch a Nazi

Where are you meeting Nazis? I've never met a fucking I've never met one I've never run into a bunch of Nazis where I like them Well, and what about like all these like so-called like like proud boy rallies or whatever? And it's like they always got the masks and I always got the same uniforms and for some reason they never get doxxed Right, right, right, right. Wait, we're always gonna dox them, except these guys? Great video of me and Matt Taedeen breaking down the Patriot front.

Didn't the Patriot front just disband? Google that real quick, we'll end it with this. Because I think they just disbanded and these were the most obvious feds of all time. Yeah They had a fucking drum. Come on. Yeah, they all had uniforms. It was so stupid Patriot front disbands one day after FBI director Chris Ray resigns seem like an odd coincidence Crazy crazy the people that we were yelling at saying that they're feds There's a great video of me and Matt tie be like you want to find it

I've never nobody ever followed them and docks them. Yeah crazy What are the odds? What are the odds agent provocateurs? It's a thing. They're real Alex Jones taught me about them Listen man, thank you very much. Thank you for everything. Appreciate you Stay alive staying alive. All right I appreciate you. Stay alive. Staying alive. Alright. I mean I do think like

one argument for me staying alive is that it's more entertaining if I'm alive than if I'm dead. Oh yeah. Oh definitely. But I could be alive and like injured, which would suck. Like the wing just like shoot my arm off or something. Right. No no no we don't want that.

No. Keep the security strong. Yeah. Hopping with one hand. Right like the wing just like shoot my arm off or something right no no no we don't want that exactly no Keep the security strong. Yeah, happy with one end All right, thank you. Bye everybody