The Joe Rogan Experience - #2282 - Bill Murray

Episode Date: March 1, 2025

Bill Murray is an actor and comedian. He is currently starring in "Riff Raff." Look for him in "The Friend" in theaters on April 4.  https://www.riffraffthemovie.com https://bleeckerstreetmedia.com/the-friend Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience. Thank you for doing this. This is a huge honor for me. I'm a giant fan forever. Like since I was a kid. So well, are we going? Yeah, we're live. So for me, meeting there's certain people I meet where it's like, whoa

Okay, and you're those you're one of those. Well, I have a very different experience. I only know about you what I've heard. I've never Heard your show I had to ask you are you Joe cuz I Somehow I knew you were like in the fitness and everyone out there seems to be a weightlifter and you're out or even Danielle seems like she's She did lower body today, but it's uh, so it's it's it's nice to meet you and people are Alternate or you know, there's some people are very very excited that I've gotten gotten come down here to be on your show. So Well, you're an interesting other people are concerned for me. So really Legitimately, I don't know. I don't know if it's the I don't know why it's the weightlifter thing because I have no Well, you're an interesting guy. Other people are concerned for me. Oh really? Are they?

Legitimately? I don't know. I don't know why. It's a weightlifter thing because I have no predisposed. I have no premonitions. But when I walk in here and I see, I gotta look at that. What is that green neon? Oh, that's the local racetrack.

That's the Circuit of the Americas where Formula One races. That's my friend's place so he gave me that okay um yeah I walked in I saw these Hunter Thompson things I felt automatically like okay well this guy can't be a complete disaster and then I walked down the hall and there's Hunter wearing a hat that I gave him oh that hat with the gun yeah the one where he's in a cockpit it looks yeah that's a dog hair hat that's dog hair. Oh that hat with the gun? Yeah, the one where he's in a cockpit it looks like. Yeah. That's a dog hair hat. That's dog hair. It's made out of dog hair? Yeah. And he got such a kick out of it because when it rains on you or snows on you like it would in Woody Creek, you come in the house and you smell like a wet dog. And he loved like doing that to people. The people go like, what in the hell?

And everybody, oh, there's my dog. You know, that's the dog right there. Yeah. Oh, so this is, are you filming this too? This is whatever you do? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, there he is. There's that dog. It's got the head like big like tie things. You could tie it under your chin. What year was this? It's got the head like big like tie things. You could tie it under your chin. What year was this? This is Wow, look at that one whoo lawyers guns and money Yes Those are later ones. Yeah, he did. Yeah scopes for a long time

That was uh, you know, I had hearing protection then too. He was learning Well, no. No? Really? We're all learning something about... Maybe. What, that one there? Is it 86?

With the dog? Yeah. Yeah, that's probably... Yeah, it was earlier. Blind bat. Blind bat. Where's that? That's funny.

It's a historic piece, I guess. When did you meet him? I met him... Let me drink your magic coffee here. It's a replica. It's a historic piece. I guess when did you meet him? I? met him Let me drink your magic coffee here whose coffee is layered Hamilton's layered Hamilton superfoods I met him it was one of those years. Maybe it was after my first real year on Saturday Night Live. Maybe it was 1977 like this spring summer of 77. I was asked by Lorne Michaels, the producer of Saturday Night Live, if I would, I had to go to, our season was, had ended, I'd gone to California.

And he asked if I would drive his Volkswagen convertible, a bug, back cross-country for him. I'm like, yeah, sure. Well, a week or two later, he was like, where's my car? I'm like, you didn't give me a time limit. I visited people on the way. So I made some stops. I visited my friend John Thompson in Reno,

biggest little city in the world. And we threw our cups out the roof and stuff like that. Had a really nice time there. And then I wanted to go to Aspen. I'd never been to Aspen before. And so I went to Aspen and stayed at the Jerome Hotel. I can talk like this because this show is like endless. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, um, went to the Jerome Hotel, which was like the place to go back then. And it was off season, which is the best time of year to go to any resort town is like when all the tourists are gone and the citizens regain control of their town for a while. So the Jerome Hotel, which would have been full of like knucklehead skiers from anywhere, was only full of like the people that worked the town and lived in the town.

And they took over the bar and they took over the swimming pool which was outside. So that's, I was there and it was just, I remember being there and they were like beautiful girls and this really funny guy. And I didn't know who he was. And we just had the most fun, you know, making girls laugh. That's kind of what, you know, may or may not have been the reason I was brought here. So we just had the most fun doing it. And then we had this sort of episode where we did an escape act and it had consequences. I started talking about an escape act, underwater escape act, and I felt like I could do it. And he said, you really think you could escape

underwater? Oh no. And I said, yeah, I think I could do it. I think I could do it. Cause you just, so we agreed to, I agreed to be a subject. And you have to know, I did not know who this guy was. I just thought he was like a funny guy. So, and we would like showing off

for girls and stuff and being stupid and it was fun. We were just having fun. So I was tied with socks to a lawn chair and and lowered into the pool but just before I went I said hey just in case I want to take a breath while I'm untying my sock knots, move me over here to where it's like six feet, you know. So if I have to stand up, you know, I can take a breath and go back down and continue my untying, you know. So I went in and, you know, I was untying and I could tie some knots, you know, even with socks. So after a little bit, I thought earlier, like, you know, maybe I'll just take a quick breath and go back down. Well, I stood up. Well, try it, Joe. Try and lash yourself to a chair and try to stand up. Yeah, it's hard. Well, I'm

a little over six feet. But if you're tied to a chair, you don't get to fully extend your calves any more than that. So tied to a chair, I'm only like five, five, eight or something like that. And I just, it was funny to see like that camera shot of like, there are people up there and I can't reach them or speak to them because I'm still underwater. So that's when I started to work more fervorously

on the knots and I kind of was going, hey, hey, you know, this is, you know, I'm kind of leaning with my head like pushing me down to five feet instead of six feet, you know, so. But he was strong enough and because I was buoyant in the water, he just picked up the chair out of the water. So I lived through it. But it was a funny way to meet someone. And the next day I found out that this was a Hunter S. Thompson. He never asked of his name? No. He never asked me my name. I don't know that he knew I was either. You know I think he thought I was just a funny guy and we were kind of like holding court and being funny. Everything starts with good health. That's why AG1 is a great addition to any morning routine and why I've partnered with

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who I am. Like it's very rare for you. It's preferable. Yeah it's not but you have figured out this way of navigating life where like you're not a cell phone guy you probably don't even have email do you?? No, I have them. I have these things now. But if you have children, you have to have a, you have to get a cell phone, right? Because they will not answer a telephone, but they will answer a text. So that's right. I had a breakdown. Yeah. But you've managed to stay blissfully detached in some sort of way. Yeah. My email is AOL.com. Is it really? Blissfully detached in some sort of way. Yeah, my email is aol.com Yeah, so

That's it. That's that was my Concession to it but one of my favorite things you did with hunter was when It was a feeling of some sort of a documentary or something or is in a documentary the footages and you're going around trying to convince People that Nixon got a bad rap Yeah, yeah, that was good. We were trying to write something funny. I was with my friend Dick Blasucci on that one. And I can't remember, there were like two or three of us that were trying to write this thing. And we rented a, like a Klieg light, you know, like a big Hollywood premiere kind of one of those giant lights that they flash up in the sky.

You know, you don't even see them very much anymore. And we were just outside the Chateau de Montmartre where Hunter had a room at that moment. And we were doing, we were excited because Nixon's back, you know, and we were interviewing alleged people on the street, men on the street saying, what do you think about this? Because it was after Watergate and Nixon had basically burrowed down and and Hunter had a look of powerful hatred of Nixon really didn't like Nixon of course, but I Just remember dick Blasucci saying I'm excited. He's tanned. He's rested and he's ready. I still I still say it all the time I just I say it about myself all the time because I think it's funny.

How are you Bill? I'm tanned, I'm rested, and I'm ready. But saying it about Richard Nixon I thought was a really brilliant thing to say. Well anyway it became a common phrase. Yeah. People use it all the time to this day probably not even knowing the origin. That's right. Yeah. And it's Dick Blasucci who did it. And we weren't there for like 45 minutes before like And we weren't there for like 45 minutes before like, I work in the industry and I know you have to have a permit to have that light on. I mean, there were people, they came at us. We were going concerned for about one hour tops.

And that was with like professional argumentative people like Hunter, myself going, that is a fabulous watch you're wearing. Where'd you get that? You know, just anything to keep this thing going and to keep the cameras rolling on our super stuff. And demands. But yeah, that was one of the things.

I had a lot of fun with the guy. He really was a lot of fun. He really could make a lot of fun. I really wish I met him. He's one of those people that, gah, just really wish I met him. He's one of those people that just really wish I met him. Well you can still read it. Oh yeah. There's still so much more stuff that I didn't hadn't even read then. It just keeps appearing. There are things that are so beautiful that he wrote that that are good and you know people text me things and say you know what what's going on.

How sort of prescient he was about things a long time ago. Yeah, dead on about so many things. I mean, you could take a lot of his commentary on politics from 1976 and apply it easily to today. You know, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail is one of the best books ever on the American political system, just like what it's like when people run it for office. I agree. Yeah, to me it's a better book than Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas which is really fun but the campaign trail book is so insightful about America and about Americans. Yeah. It's great reading. The movie was fun,

Fear and Loathing was fun. It was just it was a great introduction to a lot of people maybe that weren't aware of hunter Like maybe then you'll start reading as his stuff But it's it wasn't all you know chaos and acid and seeing lizard people in the in the bar It was there was even there's moments in fear and loathing the movie where you know He there's this one thing where Johnny Depp is at the typewriter or Or is that in the movie or is that in the documentary? Where is that the typewriter is talking about how the 1960s there was this great wave of change and then... Yeah, the high water mark. You can see it on the mountains. It's a beautiful, beautiful

piece of writing. Oh my God. Yeah. It's amazing. And when Johnny Depp is saying, the way saying it. Yeah, it's like it's so Beautiful and melodic. Yeah, why don't you do it? Why don't you see it? It's about the most famous. It's the most famous line Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas has it been five years six It seems like a lifetime. The kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle 60s was a very special time and place to be a part of. But no explanation. No mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there

and alive in that corner of time in the world. Whatever it meant. There was madness in any direction, at any hour. You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. And that, I think, was the handle. That sense of inevitable victory over the forces of old and evil.

Not in any mean or military sense. We didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. We had all the momentum. We were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look west, and with the right kind of eyes, you can almost see the high watermark. That place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.

God damn that's good! That is just an amazing piece of writing that so perfectly captured that very strange moment in time where the anti-war, the peace love movement just got drowned out by the Nixon administration. It's a beautiful piece. It glistens your eyes to see it, you know, not just the thing of Hunter and the words that he said, but seeing Johnny and how close Johnny and Hunter became, how much they loved each other and how much they they shared with each other it's really a beautiful piece thank you yeah it is a beautiful piece and it's it's just so fucking perfect it just perfect yeah he

got it he really got it yeah it just encapsulates that that time you know and it's just thank God there was a guy like him around to document it from that perspective to give you this like insight and that the way he did it with gonzo journalism where he just would have real facts mixed in with fiction you couldn't tell what was what and you had to be in on it to understand what he was doing yeah you had to enter the event. Yeah, to comment on it. You had to be a part of it. Yeah. You played him. I did play him. Yeah, we were talking about it before. I loved it. Right. In the Buffalo Room? Yeah, we're in the Buffalo Room. Was that weird to play your friend?

It was a lot of responsibility. Yeah. It was any actor that has to play either a living person, especially a living person, or a famous person has a real responsibility to that person. You can't just be that person for 90 minutes. You have to realize that person was that person for 60-some-odd years or 70 or however many years the person was that person for 60 some odd years or 70 or however many years a person was you've got to try to get all that into your hour and a half or two hours you've got to try to take in as much as you can so you're not lying you know at least you're given the best you can to say this is who I think he was this is who I think that person was she was he was did you run any of it by him did you She was he was did you run any of it by him? Did you try to talk to him as him?

Well, he was living in the guest house So you were around him all the time yeah so I would go to work and I would come home and then we would stay up and sort of just an hour or so before, maybe an hour and a half before, two hours before dawn, he'd have a Nyquil and Scotch in a hot tub and then go to sleep and then I had to get about 90 minutes and then the teamster was knocking on the window. Saying, Bill!

Bill-ay! And then I'd have to go to work. So that's what it was like while we were shooting the movie. Wow. And he appears in the movie briefly. He appears in the movie briefly. I can't remember all of it, but he appears in the movie briefly. And can't remember all of it, but he appears in the movie briefly.

And we did, together we wrote a scene. I was always constantly changing. John Kay wrote the script, but I was always playing with it, because I was always being informed more. And that's what I did anyway. I just pretty much, you know, I felt the freedom to change anything. But we did write a scene, Hunter and I wrote a scene that was late in the movie. Pardon me. They gave me these beautiful, massive things.

Cough drops? Yeah. Well, no thank you. Yeah, so he was in on a lot of it and the editing of it, you know, we can secretly say that too. And the, you know, it was a lot of, he was really involved. Very nice. So. Good shot. So you're saying he wrote a scene? You guys wrote a scene? Yeah, we

wrote a scene together, yeah, which was um, encountering Nixon in a urinal. Because he did have a moment with Nixon where you remember, yeah, yeah. And he was told he could not speak politics. They could only talk NFL football. Yeah. Which Nixon was rather, you know, knowledgeable about, you know, and Hunter Copter was like, yeah, the guy really studied it. And in George Allen, he it's in the book, you know, but yeah, he Nixon even wrote a designed a play that he gave to George Allen, who was the coach of the Washington Redskins back then. And it was like it was a they lost

like 10 yards or something on the play but Allen actually played ran the play Wow. That's crazy. It's just also insane that they would let Hunter get in a limousine with the president like just that alone. Like who, you know, who greenlit that? Who thought that was a good idea? He'd been on the, I mean, he was on the campaign trail. He also, for whatever he was, the people who knew, and you know, like Secret Service guys, you ever run into them, they like read people for a living.

This is what they do, you know? They read people. And they can really burn a hole through your head Sure in your body just looking at you Yeah, they'll give you this one, you know, they'll just really burn you and You know, he'd been on the tour the tour. He'd been on the road with them. They knew who he was They knew what he was after hours and they knew what he was during hours where the people who were really smart knew This guy's really smart. This guy's really smart. He knows politics. And you can't try

to dumb down. You can't try to like big time him because he'll kill you. He'll chop you. He's got the words to answer and he has the intelligence. So he was he was a forest people knew who he was you know even the you know to get information you got to go into the people who work for the guy you know he saw the people that work for the guy know who he is and they've already established that they have a relationship with them they can speak with them he's talking a certain way there's a reality check you know if you're running someone's political campaign you have the best jokes about the campaign, you know, not Hunter Thompson maybe, but you have the best jokes because you've seen it all. You know how stupid things get.

And you know, if you can be realistic and savvy about those things, then people trust you. Well, it's still pretty extraordinary that they also got him to agree, or least he thought he would agree that he would only talk about football Well, he knew if he blew it right that was it and that was gonna be the end of it And it was only you know, I don't know what month it was but there's more coffee in this Oh, is that your stuff? No, that's everybody's Okay. Well, I wish we'll try to finish off. I just feel like yours is probably doesn't have to be super I We'll try to finish it off. I just feel like yours is probably the best.

It doesn't have to be super. I keep coffee for days. At least two days. If it's not hot, it's got ice in it. You just keep drinking? I just keep drinking. Yeah. That smells good.

What kind is that? Black rifle coffee. Where does that come from? It's an American company, a veteran-owned company made by real coffee nuts that travel around the world and find different blends and different it smells good Yeah, it's just that that meeting in the limousine is like one of my favorite meetings because it just you could feel how weird it Must have been for hunter to be sitting in a limo how weird it must have been for Hunter to be sitting in a limo getting a ride with Nixon and they're just talking about football and that they can find common ground.

This is happening, this has been happening in my life anyway and I'm sure it's happening in everyone's life. The last, gotta be ten years where you meet people, we have something in common, we've got a, we've've got a something we got to get done you know but if we talk politics we're leaving the rails you know all hell's gonna you know we're not gonna get along we're not gonna get anything done we're never going to be friends and and you know it could get be worse than that we could be we could be adversaries or even enemies or you know so that I mean it's you mentioned it's like I go places where and I'm sure you do too where you just can't talk you just don't want to talk politics with people because there are people that are you know whose politics

can be the exact opposite of yours completely 12 to, and yet there are people that have lived lives that are so extraordinary and so enormous in terms of what they give to the world and the planet. And you think, well how, you know, why would I like ever want to get, how do, it's a mystery, you know, it's kind of a mystery, but it's, if you don't value that first instead of your kind of political, you know, handkerchief, you know, you're making more of a mess, you know. That's kind of what's, you know, that's what I feel a lot about what's going on anywhere, everywhere, you know, that people are leading

with their handkerchief and not with their whole self, you know, what they understand about what living is. I agree 100%. I think that we're just too tribally divided, and people look at it like it's us versus them. They enjoy the comfort of being a part of a tribe. They lock on to whatever ideologies the tribe support and then anybody who opposes that is somehow another the enemy. And it's just a it's a division tactic that's been used by the people that actually run the government,

the actual world itself. The real people of this world, especially the people of this country, have mostly share the same common core needs. You want to be healthy, you want to have a good family, you want to be able to make a living, you want to live in a safe place, you want your kids to be able to go to a good school, you want everybody to prosper and have a good time. That's most of what life is. All this other shit that people get so goddamn caught up in most of it has very little to do with you and

You get locked into it like it's 100% of your identity and the next thing you know anybody who opposes you is Hitler And it just gets it. That's true. It gets so time gets me. I need about a lot lately doesn't it? Yeah, it's a good, you know But you sort of started it by saying, by bringing up that quotation of hunters which is so and I think about that all the time. I can not, but I think about it regularly like what was that that force that that movement had that anti-war movement whatever that was you know it wasn't perfect you, it wasn't perfect. You know, it wasn't perfect. I think the thing that if I had regret anything or anyone regrets anything about it was the sort of hostility that was shown towards the

actual servicemen, right, most of whom were drafted, right, you know, right to fight, you know, so that those service people had an experience that I will never have. I was in a military movie. That's as good as it ever got for me. But the thing about being in war together with people is everybody hates war. Who could hate it more than someone that was there? But the sort of camaraderie that you had as an experience, I'll never have that. I'll never have that thing that Rambo had. I'll never have that thing that, you know, Rambo had, you know. I'll never

have that thing. And I don't think that, I think that the sort of, there could have been more vision about who's, who we're talking to or who we're talking to about whatever kind of change you want to make. And so that the agents of it are not necessarily the architects like you say the people were making this tribal thing they're not the agents of it you know they're the architects of it and it and how do you get how do you jump over or how do you you know let me know excuse or not excuses in the word but how do you unite miss the people that are the agents who are just people that have a job or whatever it is. They're doing their work to survive and live, whatever it is. How do you get to the architects with whatever

you feel is that what could be a shared experience and get them to like sort of dissolve the creation of the tribal world. I think it's, you asked a great question. You know, you have people on here, I guess, that know, you know, or think about those things and have the ability to do something about it. I don't think I have the ability to do anything more than something for myself mostly, you know. But you do because you have the ability to express yourself and you're an example and a lot of times when someone is a very reasonable, intelligent person like you and you express yourself, other people get inspired to maybe re-examine the way they're looking at things.

Well that's a nice hope. I hope that maybe that'll happen. I think that's maybe one of the only things. Well right back at you then, okay. Because part of our problem in this country is that we're in competition every two years. Every two years you have midterms, you have elections every four years. It is crazy, isn't it? We don't get a break. No, we don't get a break. We don't get a break from these people. No, we don't get a break. We don't get a break from division.

We don't get a break from propaganda. We don't get a break from new threats. We don't get a break. It's like every day it's a new thing and it keeps us completely in this constant state of stress and anxiety and also this fear of being overcome. Like your side's going to lose. Yeah, if I fall asleep too early tonight, I'll... We're gonna lose the internet. We're supposed to be on watch or something. Yeah, it's very very very stressful and it's not healthy for human beings to be constantly in this state of competition and stress. It's bad for and then on top of that you have most people are addicted to social media so

you're constantly getting inundated with the worst fucking things in the world all day long and you're freaking out. It's terrible for you. It's fucking terrible for you. I mean that footage made me cry now you're freaking out. It's terrible for you. It's fucking terrible for you. I mean that footage made me cry now you're gonna make me cry. Okay no it's but it's um it's true it's I someone's got a there has to be some sort of a new I don't know if has to be a club but you know there's got to be some sort of new you know it used to be music I think music played such a big

part of whatever that movement was whatever you call the peace movement or the hippies or whatever it was. It was an extraordinary moment in time and the music was part of the experience and part of the, it brought the message and it sort of crashed through everybody's brain. There wasn't a side to it. It's like What were the soldiers listening to in Vietnam? Jimmy Hendrix? Yeah, you know Well, you know, yeah, we're all listening to the same stuff no matter where you were Yeah, no matter where you were you were listening to the same music No matter what your politic thing was the music sort of told a story

I'm sort of told a story. I'm sure it's that suggested a possibility. So and the music was so much different than the music of the past. Yeah. And it was like you go from 1959 to 1969. You're dealing with a completely different dimension. And it's because it was all psychedelically inspired. And that was another thing that the Nixon administration did. They passed that sweeping schedule one psychedelics act made everything illegal, and just threw water on the whole movement. And then everything changes. Then you have the 70s, music starts getting weird. The 80s, it completely falls apart. Cars start looking like shit. People start dressing stupid. Now you're talking. Yeah. Now you're talking. It's a real language. Yeah. It's like when

Now you're talking. It's a real language. I never tied it all to that sweeping thing, but when you revisit that, you realize how much harm that did, that kind of lawmaking. But let's all agree that the cars don't look as good as they used to. They look like dog shit. Who are those people that say they're the really good problem solvers? I see them every once in a while and they go like, how does he do it? He said, well, first I say, what can we agree on? Okay, so we can agree that cars don't look so good no more.

You know, it used to be that every single year, every single car looked different than it looked the year before. Yes. And that's mind boggling nowadays to think about that. And even now with it, the cars are made of, I don't know, plastic? What are they made of? Yeah, they're made of shit.

They're made of nothing. They're not made of steel. They did it with steel back then. Right. And now they're made with, I don't know, some sort of carbon something or other. And you would think they would be able to like, I don't know what a 3D printer is, I have to confess. I have no idea what a 3D printer is. We actually talked about it yesterday. I don't know what a 3D printer is, I have to confess. I have no idea.

We actually talked about it yesterday. I have no idea what a 3D... The biggest one is four feet long. The biggest one is four feet long? Yeah, that's what Elon was saying. They're not... So can you make... You can't make a table out of this?

You can't make anything bigger than four feet? I don't think so. But I mean, maybe there's some like super... Car parts now are... I mean, if you have a car, if you have a fender bender there's like seven parts that you have to replace, you know, panels and panels and panels. But that's also because they're better structurally to withstand impact, they have these crumple layers and they're designed in a way that makes it safer for you.

They're a lot safer than old cars. I fucking love old cars. And the sound systems are better. But new cars look great. New cars are awesome. There's a lot of like really good-looking American cars, a lot of really good-looking German cars. What happened in the 1970s and the 1980s is a drop-off, a significant drop-off from the 60s. The 60s cars were some of the best

looking cars of all time. I got a 65 Corvette, one of the greatest looking cars the world's ever designed. I was a 62 Corvette. Oh, those are beautiful too. Model one, the first one, generation one. But like, you know, the Camaros and Barracudas, like they made beautiful, wild looking cars back then. And I think a lot of that had to do with just the way creativity was encouraged in the 1960s. It was more free flowing. The music was completely radical and different. the way creativity was encouraged in the 1960s.

It was more free flowing. The music was completely radical and different. Politics was radical and different. And that's why they passed those laws. They passed those laws to stop the anti-war movement. It was the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement. And the guy they put in charge was a man who had absolutely new qualifications.

Who had no qualifications to do any of it. No. It's kind of a, it's a, I've got a someone friend that's been trying to get me to do a movie about it, but the person responsible for making all the laws was someone who had absolutely no background in any of the fields, no knowledge whatsoever, just a total huckster. Yeah. That got himself out in front. Well they probably had a mandate. They gave him a mandate. This is what we're going to do. This is the plan.

We're going to lock up all these hippies. I'll carry the flag. I'll carry the flag. Yeah, whatever it is, you know. I'll run up the hill. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I heard that Buick is going to make a car, and I think this could be wrong, but I heard they're gonna make a car next year

That's not gonna look like any car ever. It's gonna be like a brand new Whatever the hell 25 or 26 Buick and it's not gonna look like the 24 or 5 It's gonna look like its own individual thing that they're gonna try to read its own individual thing that they're gonna try to read the reap to read to recommence the idea of making a new car every year you didn't hear this no I got completely new kind of model yeah like the idea that you would make a car that looked didn't look like every I mean like you can look at a car and go like that's a Volvo but that part of it looks like a Mercedes that part of it looks like an infinity that part of the car looks like you know a Toyota that kind of you know they're there yeah

you've heard probably the story about the once that car called the Ford that's got a animal name last time Taurus Taurus no there's a story now it could be apocryphal okay the Ford Taurus you never heard this one no I thought you were like this guy and all theaurus is a piece of shit. I don't care about Taurus's. Well, the Taurus, yeah. The Taurus is like, it's not the most beautiful car in the world. But it was a huge seller for Ford. They sold a lot of them.

And the story is that these guys at Ford designed a car, and they took the rear quarter panel from this automobile, the fender from this, the back fender from this, the rear windows from this, and just did a composite of all these different cars. And the car was, this car is bullshit. And we'll call it the Taurus. And they presented it to Ford who went, we love it. And then proceeded to sell hundreds of thousands of them.

And this is a story, like, where's your phone calls here? Fake, caller number one, you heard about this, no one's ever heard this story, you've never heard this one? I've never heard that, no. But I believe it, it makes sense. You can believe it if you look at the cars that are brought now, that they are absolutely like, look at that damn Volvo, it looks exactly like a three year ago Mercedes or something like that they just really just

steal and Jamie pull up 2024 Shelby Mustang Super Snake so there's still better yet Jimmy roll it in here just check it check out what this looks like there's cars that they make today that are unique look no and look. I wish I'd bought a Shelby back when I first had a paycheck. Oh yeah. They're such beautiful cars. That's oh look at that. Come on. Well that kind of funny funny when I first look at it it looks a little Chevy to me. It does a little bit. It could be like a Camaro. I mean look at that. That looks like Chevy. I mean that's a beautiful car though right? Well you know you could photograph either of us from a certain angle.

No, no, I've seen that one in real life. That's a beautiful car. That's a beautiful car. That's better. Oh, and it sounds amazing. I'd hate to hit anything with that thing. In what way? I would hate to bump into anything.

It looks like I'd have to... Yeah, you'd have to replace a lot of shit. That's true. Let's see, can you big up that picture there? What's the rear look like? Oh it's got a spoiler? Yeah. Come on. How do you feel about spoilers? Fucking badass. That thing looks awesome. That looks amazing. Well I think the original one is like the super cool. Oh crazy. Oh no doubt. I mean if you go back and look at like pull up a Boss 429 1969 Boss 429. This to me is the pinnacle of muscle car design is the Boss 429. Like that is just spectacular. So what year is that? Look at that. Well that's got that scoop in the front. Yeah. That's pretty close to the Bullitt year right? The

Bullitt card? 68, yeah. Bullitt was 68. I actually have a recreation of that. I was watching it. They found the original Bullitt card. Did you know that? Yes. I was reading about that this week. It was on TV last week. And I've watched it a lot of times, that movie, because I think Steve McQueen is pretty damn good. But when you watch the movie it's obviously the roaring through San Francisco and all that sort of stuff it's famous for.

And then there's the ending where there's sort of story ends with kind of a flaming crash you know it's kind of not really kind of an ending in a way. But watching it this particular time it was all the moments in between all that that really make the movie. Yes. All the quiet in between where he's in the grocery store, he's with the girl, he's in the mailbox, he's seeing these people and these people. And he has this very quiet inner self that's dealing with people very respectfully. And his blood pressure only moves,

the needle only starts to move when he gets with the bad guy Chalmers who's obviously a fraud of some sort and he's got him like, you see him like not just as an actor keeping his cool but as like a cop keeping his cool with like a person he knows is trying to use him. And just watching that part of the performance and that part of the story was much more interesting.

The first time I saw all that as its own weave through it. Yes. That the car stuff had very little to do with what I was getting from the people. The car stuff was nothing. And his boss was a great actor, Simon Oakland, I think his name is. He was great as his boss who said, I think his name is, he was great as his boss

who said, I'm going to hold this till Monday morning. There was some great acting in that. It's a really beautiful American movie like that. I'm so glad you brought that up because it's one of the things that I love about that movie and Lamond's, another great Steve McQueen movie is that he had these Moments and you could do that in a movie back then where no one was talking for minutes and minutes at a time There's a lot of quiet and bullet a lot of quiet. Yeah Yeah, it's just you're taking in this story, but it's very compelling and

Sometimes there's not even any music right and like in Lamont's the whole first part of it There's no talking at all for quite a while It's just like you're getting the sounds and the feeling of being this race car driver And he's driving his 9-eleven down this country road Yeah, and it's it's it it engrosses you in a different way it drive It pulls you into the story bullet where he's writing What movie is he driving like a dune buggy is that bullet two? Where's that? No, that's the other one the one in Boston. That's a pretty good movie, too

Which one's that? Oh, come on. They remade it. Oh Prasit Thomas Crown Affair. Yeah, and obviously he's having time, you know, yeah, we shoot some stuff in a dune buggy and basically they had like a whole day. Yeah, this. Yeah. And he's having a time. And meanwhile, he's got Faye Dunaway and they're going, I hope that's Faye Dunaway anyway. Roaring around and he could really drive, right? He could really drive a car. Oh yeah, like really drive.

Like you could really flip one of these fucking things if you're driving like him and you don't know what you're doing. For sure. Yeah, he's going sideways. And she is having the time of her life. Look at that. Spinning it out in the water. With a movie star who doesn't even have a seatbelt on probably.

No, they didn't have seatbelts back then. Jesus Christ. Well, she might have a seatbelt. She looks No, they didn't have seatbelts back then. Jesus Christ. Well, she might have a seatbelt. She looks like she's belted. But that was cool. He was like the archetypal movie star. He was a movie star.

That guy was a movie star. There was something about him that was compelling. He lived his life in this sort of wild renegade way and drove race cars and he was a man's man. And when you saw him in a movie you believed it. Well, I've been watching, um, I've come to be watching all the old cowboy shows on the satellite. I watched all the old cowboy shows and wanted Dead or Alive was always a super cool show and I've been watching it just to say what the hell is he up to?

Man, he is just no one was getting away with that. No one was doing what he was doing, which was so small and so slight. He was really preparing himself to be a movie actor, because his performance is so controlled, he's so in his skin, you know? And he's always got like a piece of business to do.

He always had a piece of business to do. He always had a piece of business to do. Like something to do. Like the way he strapped on his goofy sawed off rifle and stuff. You keep thinking it's a sawed off shotgun, it's a sawed off rifle. Just all his moves were very little. His face gave very, very little away. He would do a half pout kind of stuff. And it's just fun to watch him see how little he could do

and get it done, get it across. I like that about him. But he always had, he kind of challenged himself to do something physical. So if he'd be talking to you, he'd have just even that, even something like that to be like, come in here. The way he did it was a guy who had a real natural way with his body, and it was fun.

Yeah, well he would just draw you in, in all of his films, and just in a way that was, it was just different. It's just like it was a different presence on screen. There's that guy. Sawed off rifle. See, it's a sawed off, it's not a shotgun, it was a different presence on screen. There's that guy. Sawed-off rifle. See, it's a sawed-off. It's not a shotgun.

It's a rifle. Well, you had, see that little schtick? He's got it so it locks in and then swings back. So he could actually, if he wished to, you better hope he better not wish to against you two, he could just sort of swivel it and fire while it's still attached to his waistband. I never saw this show.

I didn't even know it existed. You never saw this show? I didn't know it existed until right now. What kind of a citizen are you? I am a little younger. That's all it is. That's all it is. Well, you can find this.

There's these new Cowboy Shows channels. There's like four channels. I have DirecTV, and so you can go and watch that guy. That's a famous guy. That's oh god. Oh, who's that? Oh, Oh, that's killing me. I know who this guy is Well, I don't know who he is but I recognize Help me somebody who's that guy Jamie will find it the Anyway, there's a few channels. There's one called INSP. There's also the cowboy channel.

There's also channel, uh, three 64, three Oh four, three 23. Is this 81 direct TV, what is it? TV and they're all, and you can, and I just go through going like, what have I got to find so I can see the rifleman. Oh yeah. I remember that. That was also a rifle guy, but he had a full length rifle and that was Chuck Connors who once upon a time was a Chicago Cub. He was a baseball player. Oh really?

Yes. And allegedly did some art films. But also, he was good too. Chuck Connors was good. The Lone Ranger. Oh yeah, yeah. Sure. And that was God. Come on. Why can't I remember his name? But there were some Lone Rangers. The Lone Ranger came on and then the guy. I didn't realize it because there's some Lone Rangers where it's not our Lone Ranger being the Lone Ranger and who wasn't as good as our Lone Ranger. And then our Lone Ranger comes back and it turns out I finally figured out that he he sort of went on strike.

He said he wanted a contract raised after the first season or something they like said no they went ahead and made a season with this other guy and people went when are you gonna kill off the Lone Ranger you know no offense to that man's family I'm sure it paid for somebody's college but no come on I almost had it the guy's name name? Yeah, yeah. Jamie will find it. Jamie, you got a lot on your plate. I switched over to the Lone Ranger. I was looking at people that were listed here. I'll give you this one. There's a few people listed here. I actually saw him someplace. He came to like one of these names. Michael Landon, Landon Warren notes. I was

looking at Colburn. No, it's none of those guys Lon Chaney's misspelled But it's not those guys Cobras in there twice See it started on radio first that's what you're getting you're pulling up radio that's how far back you're going Clayton more. Thank you. I saw Clayton Moore. Clayton Moore, thank you. I saw Clayton Moore. He came to a Juul food store near us. The Lone Ranger was going to appear.

But he was not allowed to wear the mask for contract, whatever the hell. So there he was. And I'm like, mom, that's not the Lone Ranger. Whatever the hell it was. It was funny to see Clayton Moore without a mask on. Imagine a contract saying you can't do personal well No, it was like he was the Lone Ranger was copyrighted

You know Sunday, you know, so he could go and be right on an elephant I think I may have seen him riding on an elephant a parade once but also without the mask But we I should talk about movies good I'm supposed to be talking about movies. Yes, since we restart time about movies Tell me about your movie I know I got two movies. I have three movies. I'll work backwards from the one which is least Which is farthest away. I did one with Wes Anderson called the Phoenician Something that's the tiles, you know, I'm sorry Wes The Phoenician you know what it

is the Finnish scheme and I mean I have a lot trouble with names nowadays but the guy who did the set design can you figure that out this guy is the most famous he's the best there is now these are the most beautiful sets I've ever seen in any movie come on on, it's coming. I'm sorry everybody, but I just haven't been getting enough sleep. No worries. Anyway, that's a great movie. We shot that in Berlin and there's great people in it.

It's got, I want to say Tashiro Mifune, but it's not. It's the guy who played Che. Come on. Don't. Come on on help me out here are you for you look it up Jim you get back to us with this anyway that movie's coming in a bit and who Benito yeah Benito's really good he's really good and he's really cool and Michael Cera right is he the third did you say

Benicio Benicio del Toro. I said Benito. You said Benito. He's great. He said Tomado. Fear and Loathing as well. He was awesome in that. He's great. He's great in everything. He's way, way down good. And then the daughter whose name of Kate Winslet, who is really wonderful. So the three of them are extraordinary in the movie together. And her name's like Cupid or Eve or something. That's crazy. What's it about?

I have no idea. Mia. Huh, what's her name? Mia, thank you. See, I told you, Cupid. Mia, I have no idea what it's about. You're gonna have to pay the money. There she is right there.

A dark tale of espionage followed a strained father and daughter relationship with a family business. All right. Yeah, Willem's got a good part, but it's really those, keep going, keep going. Benedict Cumberback. Yeah, they're all slow and fine. Michael Cera, Michael Cera is huge, and he's fantastic.

Yeah, he's a really good guy. Michael Cera, Benicio, and Mia are really the muscles. Brian Cranston. And they're great. Anyway, that's a really good guy. Michael Cera, Benicio and Mia are the really the muscles. Brian Cranston. They're great. Anyway, that's gonna be really good. People are, all his movies are like they are. They're all great and that one's gonna be very good. Then it's gonna be funny too. Then I made a movie called The Friend which stars Naomi Watts and a dog. There's a huge dog. Are you a dog Which stars, what's her name? Naomi Watts and a dog. There's a huge dog.

Are you a dog guy? I love dogs. Okay, so there's a massive, really big dog. I mean, it's pretty much as big. There it is. There's Naomi. And there's the dog. The dog is that big.

See how big it is? It's fucking huge. Yeah, that's the words for huge. Yeah, that's the words for it. Yeah, that's a great Dane. Isn't it? It's an amazing dog and the script is great. It's written by, it's from a book written by a woman named Sigrid Nunez. And can you pop up on the titles there maybe? No, the other thing. Yeah, these guys directed it. These guys, Scott McGeehy and David Siegel, and they wrote the script from this book, and it's a great script. Nobody can hear you over there, unfortunately. Nobody can hear you over there. We're going

to have to come back. Scott McGeehy and David Siegel wrote the script and directed it, and they're great. I love those guys. They made a few good movies, and they're great. I love those guys. They've made a few good movies, and this one's really good. And this Sigrid Nunez is kind of a big deal author. People know who she is that read lots of books. And what is The Friend? What is it about? The Friend, well, yeah, there you go.

So that's the question. Well, that's sort of the puzzle, a little bit of the puzzle of it. So who is The Friend? Is The Friend the friend or is The Friend the dog? You know, the dog is represents something, you know, so it's a little deeper than a lot of the ones we get to. But it's, it's really good. It's really good. I like it. It's been a film festivals and people, you know, laugh and cry and the whole thing. Yeah. How do you pick things to do now? Like you've, you've done so much. You've, you've had this insane career

I'm gonna tell you that but let me finish the last one because today is now is your show live. No Now comes out tomorrow tomorrow. Okay, so this so that's why I want to ask because this movie the third movie opens Today which is yesterday and it's called riff-raff and this a movie that you have to see You have to see this. This is really something and this is a movie you should take Ten of your friends to and go see riff-raff. It will be I guarantee you This one's a party. Tell me what it is Well, there's a trailer for it up there. See there's let's play the trailer. Okay I wasn't there you. Put the headphones on. We'll play the trailer. I wasn't, there you go.

Slap some headphones on. Oh. No slim jumps. Past two hours you've been passing gas like a very sick infant. I gotta breathe all day. Sorry, Lefty, I had a lot of coffee, okay? Sorry.

And then you used my name? Jesus Christ, Lonnie. Yeah, she said my name. You catch our names by any chance? Yeah, he called you Lefty and you called him Lonnie. Well, I overreacted. Okay. Son, we gotta talk about Lefty.

What did you do? Love it! Love it! You killed his son. You're gonna kill us. What are you doing? I get horny when I'm scared. I'm married.

Who cares? It's just us in this shitty wildlife, you know? This is our son. We're too young to be grandparents. All because your son couldn't pull out in time. We've got houseguests. I would categorize these as a must-kill. What are we?

Family. Oh my god. Can I get you anything? I'd sell my left tit for an Advil and a cup of coffee. You said what? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha a little bit if it's okay. You shouldn't have done that, Rocko. Yeah, knock yourself out. Oh, my God. Are we all gonna die? -♪ Oh, oh, let the show be, let the show be...

-♪ We don't have all night! -♪ Let the show be, let the show be... Wait for me before you two start hitting each other. -♪ Let the show be, let the show be... You know, once you start killing it, it sort of becomes your de facto solution for every problem. What? The end Get off of me.

Gosh. I'm not gonna. Come on. I'm not gonna, Ruth. What's that? Shame. You were gonna just put something that hard to waste. Huh?

That looks fun. Yeah, well. Yeah, that's, they gave you too much as far as I'm concerned, but. They always do though, right? I don't know, sometimes, not always. Not always. But it's. It's common.

It's kind of nicer to see as a surprise, so. Oh, should we not have seen the trailer? It's okay. I mean, what are you going to do? But it's some people will think I have my must see that but I guarantee you this is movie is really, really funny. I love a movie where I don't get to see the trailer. I really do.

I would say you could say, oh, yeah, you could not show the trailer. That would be okay. They had there was one I saw one that was like just the first part of that and then this they just saw this and I was hoping that was what it was but yeah it could have been kind of makes it seem like a little bit mmm plus the can put on ask I you know it's just a little bit too much stuff in it you know a little bit too much stuff for me maybe yeah we think about it but anyway it's good. It looks great.

So, Jennifer Coolidge has got some unbelievable things to say in the movie. She's got some amazing things to say. And Ed Harris is really, really good in the movie. Pete Davidson, who I had no idea about. We were sidekicks in the movie, and we had a very good time, did some good stuff. This Louis Pullman who's Bill Pullman's son is really good I mean and Emanuella, she got Italian, Pustachini like that. She's just wonderful and beautiful and Gabby Union, I call her Gabby, Gabrielle Union and Miles' last name I can't remember because I just want to call Miles Davis, but that little kid in there

He's he has a voice he plays the voice of The electric junior bunny show or something like that on on Nickelodeon or something like that. He does like weird cartoon voices. Oh, yeah So if you watch a lot of Nickelodeon cartoons... I don't anymore. My kids are teenagers now. Oh, really? I used to. I used to. I used to be...

I can tell you all about Ni Hao Kailan. Oh, see, I don't know that one. I guess Spongebob. My brother plays the flying Dutchman. Oh, really? On Spongebob. Oh, wow. So I watched a lot of that, but that's about it. I'm way behind How do you decide what projects to pick? It's really just what well, there are certain people like

Like with people that I've worked with before There's some like Wes Anderson is one and Jim Jarmusch and Sophia Coppola are others and those three people call and say I got something I say I just say okay when? You know that's because I know I I know that they're I Know they know what I can do and they know they they Look out for me and they treat people well. I love them as people and I love them as artists so that's just a thing But the other ones are more like, you have to read the script

because people, you know, the script is pretty much, if the script's not there, I mean, you know, I can always help improve a script, but if the basic thing isn't there, it's like, I was scratching it one the other day and I'm writing, I'm going, what the hell am I doing this for? This is just terrible. Every page is like, so, but if it's not good, and usually, you know, you know, in like five pages, you know, whether you're not to even continue reading the script at all. You know? So. So a lot of it's based on relationships

and people you trust and know. Those are very few. There's only very few people that I have those kinds of relationships with. And I've done like multiple jobs with them and they kill every time. They're good. They're really good.

So when they call, it's like, I don't, you don't have to waste my time telling me the story. Just send me the thing, you know, right. You don't have to waste any time I'm in. You can count on me. That's awesome. So that's it. I love that. Yeah. I do too. It's it's such great feeling when you trust someone that much and you're so enthusiastic about working with them. Yeah, it means like great. And you know, like people make the living the making of a movie part of their living. You know, like Wes is probably the most extreme example in that.

Like we all live in a quasi dormitory. You know, we take over a small hotel in some small, in some city. And all the actors and like the key crew live in the hotel. And you come down for breakfast in the morning and people pad down in their slippers and their jammies and they have coffee and stuff and they look at the newspaper and say, what are we doing today? And then they like pad back up the stairs

and get on their clothes and they go to work. That's cool, it's really nice. It's really is like what you always thought it would be like in the old days, like what if we all lived in a dorm and we were just being funny all day, you know? Like that. Yeah. What was it like working on Kingpin?

Well, those guys have more fun making movies than anyone. They really make it fun. Like, I remember, like, in between shots on Kingpin, we'd be on the side of a road somewhere and it would be like everybody's got to pick up a rock and we got thrown at that telephone pole. You know, who's gonna hit the telephone pole with a rock? So we would sit there and like, I don't know, a dollar, ten dollars, a hundred dollars, whatever it was, we're throwing and somebody's got to hit the rock, you know,

and then people like pull out cash and pay because it's just like we just got to keep this thing going. You know, we're not going to let the energy of this thing drop. Just fun. Keep the fun rolling. Fun, yeah, and just creativity and always being loose and always being physical, always being, you know, connected, attached, you know, not just attached but connected and entertaining, entertaining each other, you know, not just attached but connected, and entertaining, entertaining each other, you know, really making this fun. God damn it, we are gonna

have fun or else. You know, if you don't have fun making a comedy, you've just made a bad movie that's not funny. Yeah, well it comes off in the film, the film is so fucking funny, it's so good, and it's one of those films like you tried making that today it would be an uphill trudge. Well you know and that's like one of those things. They had a moment on Saturday Night Live an in memoriam thing they said oh so I was there the week of the thing and said yeah so-and-so's working on the in memoriam and I'm thinking who's gone? Which reminds me. Who's gone? You know and no it's not it's not who's gone? Which reminds me, who's gone? And no, it's not who's passed away,

it's what we can't do anymore to be funny. So it was like all these kinds of jokes. And so it was just a whole clip. I didn't even see it, but I saw a little bit of it being assembled, but it could be 40 minutes long. Just all the sketches that you, people would, you would get like, you know, internet responses like, we're going to burn down the city in New York. It could be hours long today.

Yeah. Hours long. Yeah, I'm short with 45. But it's, but some of the funniest things ever done, you know, like head wound Harry, you know, which was one that not many people think about, but how, you know, like somebody would eject a dog eating a brain wound, you know, like licking the blood coming out of someone's skeletal wound, you know. But someone told me on the way here, a friend of mine, a musician named Mike Zito, who said he listens to your show, he said that you knew Phil Hartman.

Yeah, very well. What did you do with Phil Hartman? News radio, it was a sitcom we did together. Okay, I didn't really watch much in news radio. But what were you doing on it? It was 94 to 99, I played the, sort of like the maintenance guy in this radio station, and Phil was like the lead anchor, and yeah.

And did you resent him because you were doing maintenance and he was the lead anchor? No no, so no, it's just joking So and where was it was it on CBS NBC NBC? Yeah And so he was the news anchor. Well, he's got that crazy voice. Oh, he was great. Yeah He was we became really good friends. He was wonderful guy We actually played one of his clips the other day We had to take it out of the show But it was a clip from SNL that you could never play today

about a doctor who decided that every child was female and he had to do operations on all of them. And we were like, holy shit, holy shit. And it's like, you know, 90% of his births involved an operation that turned into a girl. They were all girls. That's funny. It was insane.

He was great. Yeah, he was really good. I worked with him. I mean, I did set an alvegous when he was there. But he was in the movie we made called Quick Change. And he was like sterling silver. It was like every single take was just like perfect. Yeah.

And it was so much fun and you just go, Phil, that was so great. And you go like, he was so kind of modestly proud of like, yeah, I felt pretty good about that too. Yeah. It was really nice. He had real, real modesty. Yes, he did. Well, he was a guy who made it late in his career, you know late in his life So he was before he was an artist. We have one of his albums out there in the the other room He was a musician. No an artist art. Oh, I'm sorry. He was a musician as well He did why did I see musician? Oh, he said one of his albums. I I was looking at vinyl today. So that's why I went into my head

It was a cover of an album that he drew. Oh. Yeah, he was an illustrator. He was brilliant, like really, really good. I love to see that. And then he was on Pee Wee's Playhouse. Yeah. May he rest in peace.

That guy, right? May he rest in peace. That guy was fucking great too. And the lady, I didn't really watch a lot of Pee Wee's Playhouse but he was a funny guy, that guy. And his lady sidekick died this week or something I don't know on peewees play. I'm not anything but

Hey Who yeah Mmm all right, then Murray Stewart There's your story Marie see I didn't oh, I guess I'd recognize her if her face were a bigger head All right. Lynn Marie Stewart. There she is. Lynn Marie. See, I didn't, oh, I guess I'd recognize her if her face were a bigger head. So I think Phil, because of the fact that he made it late in life, like he was just so happy to be there. He had perspective.

Yeah. Yeah. He had, I mean, I think he was like 37 or something when he got SNL. You know, so it's like, that's the point where a lot of people start thinking, hey, this I think he was like 37 or something when he got SNL. So it's like, it's the point where a lot of people start thinking, hey, this is never gonna happen for me. And then he was, you know, he was a hero. I mean, he could do a lot of things. He had a lot of chops, he had a great voice,

and he could play straight, and you know, doing comedy is the ability to play straight and playing, doing comedies, the ability to play straight and he could really do it. He could really do it. Yeah. Well, I miss that guy. He was good. He was a good guy. Yeah, I miss him terribly.

That was a crazy one. Cause I knew the whole family. I knew the wife. I knew the whole situation. He had tried to divorce her a few times tried to leave a few times it always went back and yeah and that's also the guy he would go back and keep trying to make things work yeah yeah I mean he was very unusual guy and what a fucking professional like you'd make me feel like I wasn't doing enough like he'd have like all of his scripts would have tabs for all the scenes that he was in. They have notes underneath each thing and everything would be organized in a three ring binder you'd put the script in.

Well that's going too far. Who would hole punch the moment he got the script. Put it in the three ring binder. Oh yeah. Now he didn't have that much face in the scripts. I knew they were going to change a lot from Wednesday to Friday If it was over if it was a big scene, I knew they would rewrite it the next two days Well, there was a lot of trident because it's hard to unlearn. Yes, so I would not learn

Yeah, because if unlearning is really hard. Yeah, like if you have a sketch that's this long and all of a sudden It's this long you got problems. Have you ever met Dave Foley? I It's this long and all of a sudden sis long you got problems. Have you ever met Dave Foley? I Think so. He's one of the guys from yeah, I saw he he goes out with my brother Joel And he sings they they do like an improv thing called whose line is it anyway, okay? So I never I only met him recently. I met him recently I finally saw my brother's show that he goes out with whose line is it anyway, right? With Greg proofs and all those guys? And they kill.

Yeah. I mean, there's, you know, I knew they were, I knew they were gonna kill, because I know how good my brother is as an improviser. He can, you know, if you get good at it, and my brother is really good at it, far better than I, I ever was or what could hope to be because he's really kept at it and so he really goes and goes hard at it.

He's really good at it. I knew that they would kill it. I didn't realize how much fun the show would be from an audience perspective. Like they drag a lot of people up on the stage and I think, well, that can go any old way at all. Yeah. And they managed to get – I mean the show I saw, they had people in the audience that probably should have been hired. They were that funny. There's something about

the uncertainty of bringing up someone from the audience that raises the energy level and the expectation and the possibility. Yeah. And the crowd goes crazy for it. And the actors, the performers go crazy too too because it's like Damn, they just killed us. They just came up here and murdered us Yeah, and and that's where the that's where the real fun is so they're they're they're enjoying themselves Well, it's a tight show they've been doing that show for so long like their muscles are like very developed that you know They're comedy improvisation muscles. They're just so sharp. When you do a show like that on the road constantly, like you develop a sort of feel for how to

improvise and how things can go. Well, you're fearless and you know, you're certainly, anyone that's ever been in that racket knows you can't be afraid of dying. So if you're not afraid of dying, let's go. Here we go. And anything, and there's a handful of you. So it's like not afraid of dying, let's go. Here we go. And there's a handful of you, so it's like the Magnificent Seven. If I don't kill you, he will. So if I don't kill you, he will. So it's fun to watch. It was really fun to watch, finally see it live. I'd only seen it on television. To see the live show was cool. I recommend it to... they're coming to a town near you yeah if you're it's a great show it's

great to see it if they're coming to you Dave Dave Foley who was on kids in the hall was he was also on news radio oh okay he played the manager of the station who is in charge of right reading and show I'm. Stephen Root from Office Base and a million other things, Andy Dick, Maura Tierney, Vicki Lewis, Candy Alexander. I know a lot of those people. Yeah. So that was the show. Well that was, so how, it ran five years. Yeah. Well around four years and then Phil got killed. And then that's what ended it? John Lovitz, who was a good friend of his took his place well not take it over necessarily it was a real ensemble I

mean Dave was really like the main star Dave Foley was but it was it just you know for whatever reason the John I think the John Lovitz ones were really funny they're really good but it was just he's different funny it was just the end of the line the show was over and it got cancelled after the fifth year Yeah, there's something about if it was like that was said in a lot of the 50 years like wait certain high school It's only five years. Why should why should this show be five years is a long time. It's a long time I know it's amazing to think we thought like five years. This is it. We're done. Goodbye everybody That was 45 years ago

Who the hell thought that would happen is it the longest running show ever on television I think the today show is the longest for always really well interesting I had to guess certainly the longest running show that's actually entertaining I mean SNL's been around for so long I'll roker that buddy can I take a break saying yeah yeah take a leak be right back? Yeah. Yeah. Take a leak. Be right back. You're in charge. Okay. I'll do a little bit. See you in a bit. You have a very, you have so much cool stuff on the walls. A lot of art. Do you do shows where you walk around and show

all the stuff? No, no. Really? No, no, no, no. I just, it's personal. It's just for us, for us and the guests. Well, there is a photograph in the in the men's room I didn't which one it's Presley and it looks like it's a mugshot. It's a fake mugshot It's so what it is. He went to the White House and he met okay the gun thing where he gives Nixon If he gives him a revolver, yeah Something automatic pistol. Yeah, what did he give him and Nixon gives him a drug badge to be a drug agent? Gave Presley a gun badge because Presley would talk shit about all these guys are doing drugs. Meanwhile, he was high as fuck. Well He was he was in pain, you know, yes, he was in pain. He had physical pain. Yeah, what was the physical pain?

You know yes, he was in pain. He had physical pain yet. What was the physical pain? I was wrong with him. I think he did the splits a lot of times You know like Chevy's you know Chevy hurt himself falling you know oh yeah people have pain I the president I don't know I don't remember all the facts, but Presley had physical pain and I keep I don't know what his back or something like this Saccharilliac or whatever the hell and they got him hooked And so he had like painkillers, right? But it's just hilarious that he was the drug guy. It is hilarious Yeah, it's it's it's like good good fun. Yeah It's like a great American story and like yeah, you just see the picture

There's a photograph that exists of Nixon handing him the badge and you know, you can laugh looking at it going right that's exactly right yeah but but but yeah there it is and there's the damn badge special assistant you know what I did see the other night did you ever see Frost and Nixon no it's a it's a movie that was made and back in the day after Watergate, is his name David Frost? He was a British interviewer cat and he staged, he had this idea to, he was trying to like, he sort of lost his place in the universe of England anyway or the world and he came up with this idea somehow to if he could somehow get an interview with Richard Nixon and it's a pretty well-made movie it's

pretty very well made movie about it and they paint Frost pretty much is like maybe what he was like money where, sort of what the perception, my perception is kind of what he was like. Not a perfect person, but certainly not, you know, but certainly got some juice, certainly has some sort of idea of something going on. That sounds very small, but he was complicated look complicated That's the cheating word and Nixon too And I just want to say that Frank Langella who I only know from like doing he kind of like a Broadway guy

And he did some horror movies. He's really good as Nixon very very very Very good as Nixon and it's just a really well-made movie and I was up in New York and I thought you know I'm gonna find Frank Langella. There it is right there. Tell him so. There's the guy who I can't don't know what this man's name was who plays for us I can't recall anything but he's good and there's Langella playing Nixon and Langella is really good as Nixon and Nixon's not easy to do. Does he do the voice well? He does him well and you know when you try too hard. I mean here it goes. Your personal lawyer came to Washington. Yeah. There you go. Yeah.

He's fucking good. It's good. Yeah he's really good. So I never got around to finding out who where Franklin Jo lived in New York or calling him up but maybe someone who knows him listens to your show will say hey Frank you got a shout out today in Texas. Okay, it's great. He was great as Dracula too. Yeah. That whole Nixon Watergate story, I used to think about it very differently until Tucker Carlson broke it down for me. Bob Woodward was an intelligence agent and the first time he ever gets a job as a journalist, he's covering Watergate. The FBI, all the people that were involved in the break-in, FBI people, like it was a complete intelligence operation. Nixon definitely

did the things they accused him of, but the whole thing was sort of coordinated by the intelligence agents to get Nixon out of office. Apparently what the story was, according to, I can play you the Tucker thing if you'd like to see it, but apparently what the story was, it sounds crazy, but the story was that Nixon was digging into who killed JFK. One of the things that they wanted to set up when he was running for president is to make sure that Gerald Ford was his vice president. Gerald Ford was also on the Warren Commission. He was digging into it and they wanted to remove him from office. They set this up, they framed him, he did it,

they got him out of office, Gerald Ford gets in. Okay, I got a shorter version. Okay. Okay, you're going to take me down to the Kennedy Road and I don't, you know, where are we going there? With that one, I got Richard Belzer tapes I can play for you. Oh, I'm a fan of Belzer. I've met Belzer. Belzer and I talked UFOs. The new guy is going to bring out all the warrant commission stuff supposedly release all this stuff. But my question is what the fuck is going to be in there. It's not going to be hey this guy did it here. It is no here's the way I see the Bob Woodward story See you said you said what did you say first about Nixon you about your way of looking at Nixon

The way I look at Nixon and part of it is Seeing this I like this way that I will love the way Langella did this I thought it was really well done and and and it made a character of him, you know, written by a person of him. But to me, I feel, here's what I feel about Nixon, is like, you know, he was hard to care for. He ran against JFK, who was everybody's, you know, my hero and my father actually pushed me into John F. Kennedy in 1960, you know, just pushed me into the crowd and just pushed me up so I could bounce up against him. Now I'd have been wrestled to the ground, but back then you could do that.

Anyway, I, you know, I felt like Nixon was, you know, and certainly knowing Hunter and knowing all of the history of Nixon and whatever, Nixon wasn't my guy. Oh, agreed. He was not my guy. No, I'm not defending Nixon in any way, shape or form. In fact, I talked about Nixon before that I think he's the problem with the whole psychedelics, drug, legal, legalization act. We can agree on that.

So, so, but however, when I read Wired, the book written by what's his name Woodward? About Belushi. I read like five pages of wired and I went oh my god They framed Nixon All of a sudden I went oh my god if this is what he writes about my friend that I've known, you know for You know half of my adult life. Yeah Somebody writes about my friend that I've known for half of my adult life, which is completely inaccurate, talking to the people of the outer, outer circle getting the story. What the hell could they have done to Nixon? I just felt like if he did this to my friend like this, and I acknowledge I only read five

pages, but the five pages I read, you know, made me want to like set fire to the whole thing. Jamie, see if you can find it. Those five pages I went, if they, if he did this to Belushi, what he did to Nixon is probably soiled for me too. I can't, I can't take it. And I know you say, well, you could have two sources and everything like that. But the two sources that he had, if he had them for the Wired book, were so far outside the inner circle that it was it was criminal,

cruel. And the reasoning for it is that the most famous person ever to come from Wheaton, Illinois is John Belushi. The second most famous person to come from Wheaton, Illinois is Harold Red Grange, the football player. And the third most famous person to come from Wheaton, Illinois is Bob Woodward. Really? Wow. So there's all my controversy for today. That's all I got. I got a bone about that one. You know, I got a bone for Woodward ever since I read that.

Well, once you see it from something that you know, you know, once you see propaganda or bullshit from someone that you know, and you see a distorted perception, it really, it opens your eyes to the fact that a lot of the things you read are horseshit. I mean you like Belushi made People's careers possible He made people's careers possible mine would be one of them All all the people that he dragged in New York. He went to New York first. He broke into New York He took over in New York and he dragged all all of us from the second city You know over New York and he dragged all of us from the second city, you know, to New York. He's the one that got everyone there.

And there are musicians and lots of them that will thank Belushi for the creation of, you know, the revivification of the blues and for like the fact that there's like a house of blues chain that blues players can go and play and there are all these venues that wouldn't have existed without Belushi. Yeah. You know, he did a lot of things for people. He did a lot of, there's a lot of people that slept on John Belushi's couch. There's a lot of people that stayed for free at his house until they made it in New York. And I'm one and, and any, you know, you know, he died in an unfortunate way, but the man when he was still the best stage actor

I ever saw, he was absolutely magnetic, he couldn't take your eyes off him, and he did a lot of wonderful things for his child. He was a short hitter. A guy could only drink like four beers and he was drunk. So the idea that he died of an overdose is hilarious. That's what my brother said. He said, what, do you have four beers? You know, he's John's dad. What do you have four beers? Because he was not really much of a drinker. But it was drugs, right? It

was drugs. It was a speedball. Yeah. What was it? It was this, I believe, to my knowledge, it was like the first speedball I ever had. Jesus Christ. So what was the Woodward interpretation? What was his version? Oh, it was just he was just he was talking to people like, wait a minute, you're telling me that that guy over there, that guy who's that far away from the center of things is telling you the facts about John Belushi? That guy way the fuck over there is telling you who John Belushi is? It's like, wait a minute. And he didn't contact any of you guys? Well, I didn't want to have anything to do with it.

I would have nothing to do with it. I didn't like the... it smelled funny from day one, you know, and you know, Judy wanted people to talk and I was like, I'm sorry, I know where this is going. And it wasn't exactly where I thought it was going. Even worse than where I thought it was going Even worse than where I thought it was going even just the title alone, you know It was just it was cold. So it's just exploitation of his death you know, I You'd have to hold me down and burn my feet to make me read more of it So I couldn't say that it's exploitation of his death

but you know guys that write books come up with you know Bob Willard's got a new title every 45 minutes for another book you know so you know it's a very disturbing thing. It's just tough. You know, it's like, so what do you, you know, that's, you know, like, he really, in those five pages I read, he tore down my friend, you know, I didn't see any, there was no compensation, there was no balance in the five I read. And maybe, maybe I was unlucky, but. But if that much was to me was disturbingly ugly and like irresponsible to report, then I can't imagine that I got so that I only fell in the pipe. Yeah. But you know, and I'm sure he's done – Wilbert does other things.

I've seen him on TV and he can be smart and everything but you know he's gonna have to answer for that sometime for something you know I think. Yeah. You know it's just like you don't get a free ride for, not with my friend. No. Well you can get away with things a lot more back then when he wrote that book as well you know. So there's no other venues for people to express themselves back then It was like he writes the book. He does the interviews for the book. This is the narrative Yeah, and Bob Woodward like one of the squares guys in the world What gets to tell the story of what it was like to live in in New York City in the 70s?

Yeah, really in the late 70s and 80s like like he knew what was the story was come on. Yeah It must have been a magical time It was cool. It was really fun. You know, it was a smaller city in a funny way. Um There was a lot more freedom Uh, and it was When I got there, you know, the town was broke, you know you know had to the town was broke. The town was falling apart and the subways were rough.

To me it was exciting. I didn't know what the hell. I came from Illinois, from Chicago, from the suburbs of the city. Chicago was pretty... It was a city and in some, it had its own hazards. There were some more hazards. Where I lived in Chicago was more dangerous than where I lived in New York ever. But the city was, the economic part of it and the infrastructure was, like the subways were, people complain about the subways now.

It's like, wait a second, these subways are air conditioned and the windows close. Those windows, those windows were open summer and winter and you either froze or you had like metal shavings dust flying through in the summer with no heat, with no air conditioning. And, you know, if it's 97 degrees out, it's even hotter inside of the crowded subway car. That was also back when Times Square was Times Square. And it was cool.

Yeah, Times Square is just as weird now, but it's just a different weird. They sort of tried to sanitize it. And it's kind of stupid. I mean, now there's a lot more lights and everything. There's more signs. But the signs were always cool. When they were neon, they were cool. Now there's just these glow lights and they just keep moving and dancing and you know, people with like vision problems

shouldn't be out and people, you know, who are the people that are supposed to watch out for strobe lights? Yeah, epileptics. Yeah, epileptics can't walk through Times Square. And 42nd Street is blah, it's like dull you know. It's an Applebee's. Back then it was like wow. Yeah it's a giant Applebee's. It's a giant Applebee's with huge ads, giant LCD ads.

But it was cool back then, you could see stuff, there was real stuff to see. Not that it's still real, but it's just a different real. There's a lot more, it's a whole international world now, which it wasn't back then. Back then it was just like the street survivors of the city at the very, you know, the physical center of it and you saw some amazing things there and it was alive, certainly alive. Now there's, you. Now you're crashing into, not exactly like prize-made parties, but like there's people with flags and dragging people around and stuff.

Well, there's always a lot. There's a lot to see. There's still a lot to see. It's still New York City, New York. But back then, having that experience, being in that wild New York of the 1970s, and then getting on SNL. How old were you? 26 Wow That had been a fucking bizarre experience yes, it was it was a great experience for sure

And you know your life just changed dramatically from being barely able to pay your rent or afford a car, a telephone, anything like that, to having a credit card. Like that was a big thing, a credit card and a credit card. Because they wanted a safe, we had this sort of cab account with a thing called Skulls Angels. There was a sort of company within the Yellow Cab Company called Skulls Angels.

And you could call them, and they would pick you up anywhere in the city and take you wherever and it was just you just signed your name you didn't have to have any money and I had a credit card and that account and that's all and I just went lived for a couple of years like that you just basically all you were doing was going to work and going to sleep and going and then in between you and that when you'd have 12 or 15 hours where you didn't have to do anything you go like okay let's go you know like anything could happen anything could happen and you could go anywhere in

the city and you sort of had a sort of a thumbprint of okay you could go into any place and people would be like come on in you know and you got to you know really you know I mean I probably could have done you know gotten more out of it but I certainly got got a lot I put a lot into it, you know, I got a lot, an amazing kind of education, you know, I got an amazing education, but I guess that gets back to sort of, I've, you know, I got to put my education to use is what I should say. I mean, in this, in this kind of new challenging environment, I got to put what my education had, to that point, had been to use.

What was the adjustment like going from being broke to all of a sudden having money, being famous, lived in New York City, trying to make sense of this new reality that you live in? Well, I'll try to do them in order. Well, being broke was, oh, I should tell you, I'm here in Austin, Texas. This is a William Murray golf shirt.

I brought you, somehow I got involved with these clothes. The clothes got involved with me. And that's me. That is I in that person right there. And I brought you a pair of shorts. Oh, thank you. I also brought liquorice, shorts. Oh thank you. I also brought licorice which you don't want. He's a licorice dealer. I don't want to make it you. Trying to pass out

licorice. Anyway, so anyway the shorts are very, you're not too chubby, but the shorts are very forgiving. These golf shorts? I've been traveling. Well they're, yeah they're kind of golf. So are you gray? Are you a gray guy? I can wear gray, yeah sure I'll been traveling. Well, they're kind of golf. So are you gray? Are you a gray guy? I can wear gray. Yeah, sure. I'll wear that.

That's what I thought. I thought you'd be a gray guy. Those are for you. Thank you very much. I've got my name on them. So if they get lost, they'll be returned to me. Nice. Thank you very much.

I'm excited. And wait, I got your shirt. I thought you might like this shirt because this service this kind of has the range of possibility on it oh yeah that has a lot of that kind of has a sort of a studious look for you there's a lot going on that there's a lot going on thank you there you go thank you very much yeah you're welcome I had I have long pants too if you want long pants but I think you're more of a shorts guy yeah I'm good thank you. Jamie's a gigantic golfer.

Oh yeah? Are you a long... how... you're tall. How tall are you? 6'1"? Well, it's not that tall. Let's see. So you could... so we're the same sort of... and so you like white... or maybe blue? Or black? Those are shorts. Hold on. Are you a shorts guy or a long pants guy? I like it all. It's usually hot in Texas. You love it all, huh? It's hot out here to play golf in Texas.

It's hot? Texas gets hot when you're playing golf. Usually. I bet. Well. But you can play all year here. How chubby are you? I'm not. I don't think it is.

Okay, well the pants are pretty good. Well here's the, you want the shorts? Yeah, give him the shorts. These are black. Nice. And that's the Murray Tartan right there. That's the family Tartan there. There you go.

Is that like from your family seal? Huh? That the Tartan is a special to your family? Yeah, that's the Murray Tartan. Really? Yeah. Nice. Yeah.

Okay. And then so here. And then so you want a shirt? Sure. Let's see. I should show off this shirt. This is a shirt because my sort of brother has something to do with this one. This has got like all this stuff from Chicago on it. Oh, nice. It's got I haven't even looked at this yet. Guitars. Well, there's guitar. It's like a pizza place.

I don't know why there's tambourines and stuff on it I have no idea but there's always a glass of beer for some reason is a drum but there's a bunch of references to people we know and things we did in Chicago and I See there's like the names of some character a movie. I played and then there's sluice place. That's my friend. Jeff sluman is a golfer I think you're gonna like this shirt here. Jamie. How's that for you? Oh, that's perfect. That's my friend Jeff Sloomin who's a golfer. I think you're gonna like this shirt here, Jamie. How's that for you? Oh, that's perfect. That's Jamie. Okay.

What color pants did I throw at you? Well, I got some black shorts over here. Perfect. Black shorts, dark blue shirt. You're in. You can pull that off. There you go. Fuck yeah, Jamie.

Way to go high for that one. Thanks. When you stomp Tony Hinchcliffe in this inevitable match, Oh yeah, let's go. You'll wear that. Be perfect. There's that. How long you been golfing for?

Well, the question is how long was I haven't been caddying for? So I started caddying When I was very young My eldest brother Edwards started caddying. So caddyshack must have been a lot of fun for you then. Yeah, well caddyshack came, you know, my brother Brian was the Yeah, well, Caddyshack came, you know, my brother Brian was the, wrote the, Brian wrote it with Doug Kenny, one of the really great funny guys from National Ampoon, and Harold Ramis who ended up directing the movie. But all the golf stuff is all Brian's, you know, memories of caddying. The whole golf story comes from Brian, sort of.

The joke, I mean they all write jokes, but Doug was in charge of all the fancy lad stuff. His dad was some sort of tennis pro, sometime rather, in Ohio. And Harold wrote the jokes that were left, and shaped it, and directed it. So you started off catting. Yeah, yeah. And then you started playing.

I started as a shag boy, which doesn't even exist anymore. What is that? There's a thing called a jam boy, which I don't know if it really exists. My friend Duff insists that back in the day there was a thing called a jam boy who walked around, I think it was a slave or something like it, who walked around covered with jam to draw the insects away from the golfers. Now I don't know if that's true or not. We should ask your listeners. But I didn't have it that's true or not. We should ask you ask your listeners, but I was I didn't have it that bad of course, but a

Shag boy was Golfers had what they call a shag bag Which was like a small bag of golf balls like a hundred golf balls or something like that And they would dump them out on the practice tee and you would run out there with the bag and they would you would be the target Okay, go out about 70 yards 60 yards you know and then they start hitting see no but see that would be safer than what I was wearing we didn't have that but I was just out there see can you yeah but I was definitely out there and they would aim at you and the thing was it

would last for an hour or so and you know, you're only, I was 10 when I started doing this. So, you sort of, your mind would wander and occasionally you'd hear like a ball land next to you or really close. I never got conked exactly on the head, but I definitely got hit on one bounce on any number of times. But you were just a target and then you, they, he'd wave in the next club and you'd go like seven iron so you'd have to back up a little farther and then farther. And the bigger the club, the wider the dispersion of the ball. So you had to run back.

You really had to run to catch up to where this bad golfer was hitting the golf balls. So that was when I was 10. And then like a year or so later, I became like a caddy. And then I caddied all the way through high school, paid my way through high school. When did you start playing? Well, if you showed up to caddy on Sunday,

you were allowed to play golf on Monday morning. So probably I didn't really play golf golf like that until really 12 maybe, maybe a little sooner. But we used to play golf across the street from our house. There was like a line of telephone poles planted in grass, you know. And we would play from phone pole to phone pole. And that was the pin. So that's it. And then I didn't really play. I mean, once I sort of, you know, made it through high school, I didn't play play. I mean, once I sort of made it through high school, I didn't play for a long time until I made some money.

And then all of a sudden you can play golf again. Because golf, if you're not cadding, it takes money to play. You gotta at least play and be organized and have a set of clubs and stuff. So I picked it up then. And now I like it. I was going to give it up a few years ago, but then

You know all of a sudden my son started playing golf. I was like, that's what you got to do, you know So now I'm having more fun playing and I've gotten smarter. Do you ever play golf? No, never no never No, I'm scared of it Because I think it'll eat up all my time because I get addicted to games. Oh, yeah, I play pool a lot. Do you have a pool table here? I got a couple pool tables here. Oh, I got one at home. Yeah. And what games you play? You play like straight pool or nine ball. Yeah, you know, I should work on nine ball. I have a pool table. I mostly play what you know, I mostly play with the on nine ball. I have a pool table I just honestly play what you know

I mostly play with the thing about it is I know everybody who plays golf gets fully addicted to it loves it to death And I just don't have the time to get fully addicted to another thing and You know just being friends with Jamie and seeing Jamie's addiction see what's happened over the last few years. He's become a maniac He's got a golfing simulator in the back and really drives balls and yeah Trackman it's in here. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, is it set up in the garage and Live in this building now, it's a big building, but we don't live here we could be definitely good Maybe that's the next one. Maybe the next one will set up dorms. Maybe. Yeah. There's always the rooftop.

Yeah. Well, yeah, I guess I'm, okay, well, I don't want you to get addicted. Well, I just, I've heard you're a very good golfer. That's why I'm asking. Well, just keep that light going. But it's, but I can play okay. You know, I've played, I've hit a lot of golf shots. What's like your handicap?

Jamie will know what that means. No, it's, now it's about 12. The lowest I ever was was about seven Yeah, means I can play a little bit. Yeah, and now it's actually it's what's the word diminishing. It's going lower Because I've figured something out. There's a I went to there's a great book these ladies I got P and Nielsen and Lynn Pia Nilsson and Lynn... Pia Nilsson's an easy one to remember, but Lynn's... whatever Lynn's last time... they wrote a great book called Every Shot Must Have a Purpose. You ever read that one? Well I should talk about them because they're...

they really are on to something and it's about quieting your brain when you play. Which I always thought I'd get better when my... as my brain softened. It seemed to be happening. My brain was was softening it was maybe getting better but not fast enough for me and then I got started following what these ladies have to write they were on a kiss teachers at one time and Monica Sorenstam she's a famous golfer okay Swedish every shot must have there it is and there's the forward but Anika anyway Lynn Marri How can see, I'm blocking that because it's a hotel name. But, and I didn't used to be a member of the Marriott Club, but okay.

So that's a great book and they've written a bunch of stuff. That, they know some stuff. So try that one, Jamie. What does it change? It made me enjoy, I enjoy golf. I've always had a lot of fun, but that made me enjoy golf even more. How so?

Like what is it? You know, it just, it's decluttering, you know? It's like when you do it in your life and you, you know, you talk about, you know, you mentioned distractions at the very beginning, you know? You think about all the things that can catch you, you know, you think about all the things that can catch you, you know to distract you And if you're trying to do something that's pretty straightforward

Whether it's Stir grits or stir grits or sew a line of something or play a game of golf, which ideally you only have to swing, hit the ball like 75 times if you're, you know. If you, everything that distracts you from that is a problem. So it's the ability to like sort of just pull weeds out of your head as I read a Japanese man say once. And and and attend to it when you attend to it. It's for you know, it's a few hours to play a run of golf. Like you say it takes a little time. But the actual playing of the game is only

minutes. The actual hitting of the ball is only minutes. Like an NFL game can take like three hours on TV, but it's like 20 minutes of action. Right. Right. So it's similar to that in golf that or anything that you have to sort of return to yourself to hit the ball. You got to come back, get it back together to hit the ball or do anything. And so you set your, you have the freedom in between the shots to move and to speak and to tell jokes and smoke cigars and whatever the hell you want to do. But when you want

to hit the ball, this is about, you got to, you're going to think, make a little plan, and you separate that. You sort of inculcate that, you take it in, and then you separate that and you step up and you hit the thing. And hitting the thing is only hitting the thing. And that, if you can do that, then you start having real success with the actual hitting and the sort of joy of the sort of mind-body connection and all this sort of aesthetic all the kind of like you know almost spiritual things about a mind-body exercise a game come to you you know like you know when you're great athletes say they're in a zone they're not in a zone they're

really conscious they're really connected zone, they're not in a zone. They're really conscious, they're really connected, they're really aware. It is a, it's more than a zone. It's like the ideal place to be. Right, right. And what is it about their writing that helped you? Like what is their philosophy that helped like steer you more towards being able to do that? Well for an, it's like something that can keep you in your body, because you have to stay in your body. I believe that anyway. I'd already believed that, but I'd say, so you've got this dreidel here, right?

So imagine it's a golf ball. One thing that they sort of say was like you would just, in between shots, you would just take your golf ball, if you're on a putting green or if you have a spare in your pocket, and you just toss it up and catch it. Toss it up and catch it. That keeps you physically aware of, I've got to do this and this and that. I've got to do these two things, so I've got to have my attention in my body. I've got to do these two things so I've got to have my attention in my body. I've got to stay home, you know. So if you can stay in your body, it all begins in the body.

Everything we are, everything we hope to be, everything we dream about, it's all within the skin. So you've got to stay within the skin. So if you can make yourself come back, if you can get yourself back inside. You don't have so far to go to achieve your intended goal. Right. You don't have to you don't have to like drag yourself back from outer space. You're not dreaming over there.

I'm in my body already. Some clothes you know. Does that make sense? Yes. So and you know I've had some discussions with Pia and she says, well, that's what the great golfers are doing. They are pulling themselves back into this thing. That's why they hit so many good shots is because they they're home, you know, they're home. You know, so that's, that's sort of what I got out of her. I I sort of learn and believe that from other venues

But I'd never had it put in with practical applications like like she gives they give For golf, you know, you think of golf is like oh I can be willy-nilly out here I can be fun or I can be aggressive or I can be competitive or whatever the hell all that stuff is Real that's emotion kind of thing, but if you're not in the body Good luck, right? Well, there's There's a great joy in things that take you away from the rest of the world because they require so much of your attention That's what I get out of pool and that's what I get out of archery too. I practice archery but there's things that require so much focus while you're doing

them and you have to be in your body. You have to be synchronized. I would imagine archery would be one of the more challenging ones. Very challenging. It's very challenging because you're supposed to have as little movement as possible upon the execution of the shot. And so there's all these strategies. They started televising it lately. It's really cool to watch. Oh, it's very cool to watch.

Yeah. And they've got the cameras right on their face and just the torso, just like this. And you're like, god dang, that's beautiful. That's as good a close-up as any Robin Hood movie ever had. It's just great. No, I love watching it I watch it on YouTube all the time

There's these Las Vegas shootouts where they have three targets and they have 30 different shots So they have they're trying to get an X 30 different times and they're standing next to the best archers in the world Everyone's at probably like 20 meters and they they're all just focusing, like dead still, completely calm, focusing, focusing. What's that, where do you find that? Oh, you can find it, like go to Lancaster, archery, Vegas, and they have what they call a Vegas face,

so a Vegas face is three targets. Do people watch that live? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Real archery nuts. But they've got to have like big big screens because you can't see the faces from a distance right? No. And you don't want to get between the arrows of course. No you definitely don't. People bring binoculars. All the archers have binoculars and they'll pull them up after each shot because they're looking for precise distances and then they'll make slight adjustments on their scope and their sight and move and then they'll take a breath and calm

But it's just do you have one of those? Massive Oh, yes, this is exactly those things don't even look fair So these guys are all on this line and they're all firing and the amount of pressure is insane Because really the guy makes money out of this thing is the guy who wins first place Everything else is not so good. It's not a lot of money in archery. Look at the audience. It is like about 60 guys. Yeah, not a lot of audience, right? Yeah, it's not a crowd, please. So this is just for real, complete archery fanatics who are absolutely lost in this connection between your mind, your body, and the flight of the arrow. The mystical

flight of the arrow. That's interesting. Can you go back and freeze that? There. Can you lose the line on the bottom? So that's just interesting to me to look at, like their weight balance. Just to look at like who's on his, sort of half his front foot. So it's interesting. They have a little bit more weight on their back foot. Is that right? Well, we're catching this in mid-draw. So he's interesting. They have a little bit more weight on their back foot. Is that right? Well, we're catching this in mid draw. So he might settle. Yeah. See that guy that you were looking at who was like that. That's guy Brazier on his back. Watch. He'll settle. So he'll draw. And as he draws, he arches back and now watch, he'll settle forward. So he's settling as the angle change of the camera shot, but they want to ideally be about 50-50.

And you're just staying calm, keeping it as steady as possible. And the wheelchair shooting too? Yes, yes. There's a guy that shoots with just his feet. The guy who doesn't have arms. And he's unbelievably accurate. Yeah, he shoots with his toes.

So what these guys are doing is, it's just a perfect balance of technique and focus and attention and they're actually trying to get what's called a surprise shot. They're not executing the shot like you would like a rifle trigger. Most of these guys use what's called a hinge. And so that's what they're going for they're looking for it so with a hinge you don't you don't make the hinge you don't make the release go off like with a button we press a button it's just a rotation of the handle and you don't know when it's gonna go off so you draw it back like

this. So you're not letting go with your fingers? No. You have a metal release in your hand that has a hook and the hook is attached to a sear. And so by just twerking your wrist, rotating it? It breaks. And so the hook breaks. Or some of them use a thumb, like that guy with the yellow and black, that guy. So he's got a thumb trigger. So what he's doing is he's setting the trigger, the barrel of the trigger,

right where his thumb is, and he's just using the pulling of his arm to make it go off. He's not executing it with his thumb. Now there's a small select group. So that's why they all look different on the release. Yes. I wondered why they all look like they all exploded. But they all, their arms all fly backwards. If you watch, see how their arm moves backwards, that's indicative of a surprise shot. That means they're executing it perfectly.

So the surprise is that they don't know when it's going to go. Exactly. They're just executing the technique, which is the pull with the back muscles, you're pulling with your rhomboids, and then it slowly goes off. So they're like that chubby guy right there. See like that guy with the hat, the black hat, watch, see his fingers, how it's curling, see how it goes off? So that's just from his hand curling that's making the shot go off.

But they get it to the position or the area where it's going to go. Yes. And they've got to be right. They've got to be poised forward. But the idea is if you think about it going off and you make it go off, there's some sort of a recoil. So there's some sort of an anticipation of that recoil. And when you're shooting that precisely,

that anticipation of that recoil might make a difference of an inch or two left or right. Yes, that tension. So you try to not anticipate, so it's really gonna surprise you. When you are doing that, you do not think about anything else. It clears your mind.

When you are just concentrating on that target, you cannot think about your build. And so you do it. Yes. And when a thought does come into your head, you don't hit the target. Yes, but it doesn't come in your head. It can't.

It's too hard. The process of aiming is so engrossing. When you lock in place and you're aiming and then you're pulling back with the shot Like you're all in you're all there Especially if you're good if you're good That is the only thing you're thinking of and there's a moving meditation aspect to it a cleansing of your mind Your worries go away, your thoughts, the things that are bugging you, and I gotta do this, and I gotta call that guy back,

and all of it goes away. Because it's so engrossing. It requires so much of you. How do you affect that yourself? How do you move that away from the incidental thoughts that pop in? Well, it's just the difficulty of it. Yeah, it's the difficulty of it actually sort of facilitates your meditative mindset

because if you're gonna do it right there's no other way to do it. You literally can't be thinking about other things while you're doing it. Well it's not unlike golf, like if you're thinking about what you gotta pick up on the way home. Exactly. You're not gonna hit a good goal. Same as pool. When you know I play pool at a pretty high level like I bet that book would be very beneficial to me. I bet there's some techniques and strategies of how to focus yourself and completely remove yourself from the rest of the world and just think about this mind-body connection and this the

execution of this thing that you're trying to do? All right, I'm gonna try to do that. I know I, you know, I don't play enough pool and but I did, I had to, I had to shoot some pool in Groundhog Day, so I got with like a guy who's a pool expert and he just gave me drills to do. Do you remember his name? No. But if he remembers he should say hi. expert and he just gave me drills to do. Do you remember his name? No. But if he remembers, he should say hi. Anyway, he taught me a bunch of things. And I was very, I'm still very disappointed because when we actually shot the scene,

I think I made, I think I sank, I think I shot, I think I sank like nine balls, and seven balls, eight balls in three shots. And I went, we got that? And then Senator Tarver was like, well let's set it up here, I'll set up a different shot. I said, what are you talking about? He had half of the table in the shot. Oh no. All right, I'm gonna take a leak again.

Okay, you wanna wrap it up? We can wrap it up. No, that's okay. Okay, all going to take a leak again. Okay. You want to wrap it up? We can wrap it up. No, that's okay. Okay. All right. Take a leak and come back. All right.

I keep asking them any suggestions. They say, well, tell some stories. You should never ask for suggestions. So where do you come from? I was born in New Jersey. Went to high school in Boston. Lived all over the country. Lived in San Francisco for a while when I was a kid, Florida.

Were you in the military or something? No. Mother got divorced, married my stepfather. He was going to school, went to San Francisco for that, and then Florida, and then eventually Boston. Well, that's pretty good. I mean, I think I always wanted to live in San Francisco. Well, I was in San Francisco during the Vietnam War and the height of the hippie days when

I was a little kid. It's pretty wild. It was a very interesting time to be there. You know, it was a crazy place. Yeah, well, that's what I was talking about. I think, yeah, my brother was there too. He went to school out there at St. Mary's in Morocco. Okay. And so but it turned out he was spending a lot of time in Berkeley. Yeah. He wasn't doing that much studying.

But what a life he had out there. What a fantastic time to have been there. And my other friend went to high school at that time, somewhere around there. And I envied that. And I really like San Francisco. And I was there recently. I saw Dr. – not Dr. – Father Guido Sarducci.

Oh, wow. And had dinner with him and Roman Coppola. And we went to an old place called Macaroni or something like that. Old Italian place. And it was really delightful. I just love San Francisco. And I have friends who were like – and we started talking about politics a long time ago, like for political reasons, they all say, oh, San Francisco, they've ruined San Francisco. And so I was there. And I know there's homeless people in San Francisco now, lots of them. And there's homeless people in Los Angeles and Santa Monica and anywhere that is warm.

Yeah. And California is the most populous state, but I don't think it's a political choice. I mean, I think, isn't it, I don't know the stats, but these people don't, it's more of a mental health thing, I think. It's definitely a mental health issue. So it's not anybody's politics that are making people crazy. Well, it's... But it's not making people live on the street.

But I know I just I'm sticking up for San Francisco saying it's still... I mean San Francisco survived the beatniks. It survived the hippies. It survived the earthquake. It survived AIDS. It survived everything. It's like a resilient extraordinary place you know it's still got a lot of extraordinary

aspects to it the problem is they kind of encouraged people to sleep on the streets and shit anywhere they want and they didn't do anything about it and it just really thinks they encourage people financially viable for them to do it they give them money to do it they they they they're paying in the shit on the street. No, they're paying them so that they don't have to be poor or homeless. I mean, they have a tent and they'll help them to subsidize this existence. What they need is more mental health care. It's a mental health issue.

It's drug addiction and mental health. That's the real problem. Yeah. And when you don't address it and then you just allow people to camp anyway you want, you're almost sort of encouraging mental health problems to be everywhere all throughout and just be throughout the entire city. It's just a lack of empathy for the people. If you're empathetic for them, you don't let them just camp out and shit on the street. What you do is you say, obviously we have a real problem.

This needs to be addressed for the greater good of the city and for these people. They need mental health care. They need addiction care. They need, it's a real problem that needs to be addressed. You can't just leave them out in the street and let them do whatever they want and become a hazard for everybody else.

Then it makes the city kind of fucked up. Well, I don't know what the, I mean, you you talk when you speak it it's be it sounds like more of a political choice. No. Someone's saying well it sounds like you're saying they're being you know paid to shit on the streets and become mentally ill. I'm not saying they're being paid to shit on the streets. They are mentally ill. I always felt like mental illness happened first before living on the street. Unquestionably. It's all during the Reagan administration when they opened up the mental health institutes and just let people out in the streets. Well it started before that in New York. And that was my experience in New York was like Rockefeller way back when, and I could

be wrong but this is how it was attributed, sort of opened up the mental, closed up the mental health hospitals and pushed these many, many, many people out on the streets that had nowhere to nowhere to go. And it wasn't like it wasn't a poverty situation, although it looks like it when you look at it. It's really a mental health situation and a great number of these people have no interest in going into a place. They would just as soon live on the street. Their life is like an interior monologue that they can't control and living in a home is no different than living on the street. The thing is still going on. The conversation is still going on inside the brain. But there has to be a solution for it. Well, okay. So I don't disagree that there

has to be a solution. But I don't think that people are, this is sort of like where, you know, I'd like to think about let's not talk politics, let's agree on what we can agree on. So that solution is like, this is where the great minds of California or the United States need to come together and say, okay, these are, why don't we solve these problems that are common to every, every state has a city that has X number of people living

on the street, whether it's Yankton, you know, whether it's, you know, Minneapolis, whether it's, you know, Louisville, whatever, everyone's got like a street scene situation. That's rough like that and It's it's hard to say let's you know, you say there's got to be a solution Where's it come? Where's that going to come from and who's going to believe it? From if it comes from this direction or that direction or this side or that side. How do you how do you like? Evaporate the walls of separation and say like how do we get the right people with the right minds to solve these questions? You know, these are real things and people argue about them. I mean, you and I are arguing, but we're talking about

it. Neither one of us are sleeping on the street right we both feel compassion for it you know and empathy for it, but But how do you get people that are far removed and we could say we're far removed from it to like Allow the solution to take place from one side of the other one side Yeah, so who gives a damn who's got. Well it has to be a completely bipartisan thing. We have to look at it in terms of the health of human beings in our community. This country supposed to be our community.

These people that are on the street that they are sad sick people in our community and some real effort has to be taken to try to change that instead of just enabled them to keep doing it. That's all I'm saying. I just don't think that the solution is let them camp wherever they want. Let them shit in the streets. There's no argument to what you're saying. No, no, no, no, I don't think you're arguing. So you are in this situation, you had this, people call it a platform or a place where you invite people to come here that are,

that can speak to lots of people. How many people watch your show? A lot. So there's lots of people watching your show and when there's people that make sense, you hear it, it rings a bell, you know, it sounds like that. I wish I knew the answer to solving these things and occasionally, like I say, you see people who are these problem solvers.

And the problem solvers come. But people want to choose their own problem solver. You know, it's like I don't like money and being a problem solver. That's the problem. One of the parts of the big parts of the problem in California in particular is that there's an enormous budget to deal with the homeless. So you have these people that work in these departments that are making quarter million dollars a year that are just working on the homeless problem which keeps getting worse every year. There's no incentive to fix anything or change

anything. And it's a bunch of bureaucracy. There's a lot of bullshit that gets involved in the business. I have a buddy of mine mine is a lawyer who went to San Francisco and you know he was disturbed by it all he's like This is so crazy like what what is missing do we need more funding and they're like no, you know And this guy explained to him. No, they literally have an incentive to keep the homeless problem There's an enormous number of people that are making a fantastic living in dealing with making money on the homeless there's a giant list of people we could pull it up if you want to say well we don't need to call them out but I don't need there's a bunch of me like who makes money on the homeless the people that are involved in these organizations that are dealing with the homeless whether it's in Los

Angeles or in San Francisco you mean may, are they like government? Yes, yes. They're all government jobs? Yes, it's all funded by the state. And there's real jobs, like real money. And nothing gets done, nothing changes. In fact, it gets worse every year. Something needs to be done that shows results. Like, what is that?

I think it's got to be compassionate. It's got to be something that both the left and the right can agree to. So here's, so I'm trying to follow you. Okay. God knows I'm trying. Are you having a hard time? No, I think, we were talking earlier about the agents versus the architects, or something like that. You used a word that explained the people who are coming up with the sort of thing.

I was watching something, and I've really tried to avoid watching the news lately but I saw someone talking about and it was someone that works and you know you say the word bureaucracy and it's a loaded word and everyone – we all hate bureaucracy. There's just a word of it. It gives you like a creepy feeling. Frustrating word. Yeah. And so you know it's like being on hold for Amtrak or whatever the hell it is.

You know, there's someone, you know. Oh please God come back. Okay so, please God come back. So the idea that, and so this person was talking about the cuts that are going to come and they talk about eliminating a bureaucracy and I don't know what particular department this person was in or not. No, that's not what this person was talking about. She was talking about a different person.

Oh, you're talking about a different person. It's a different person. I don't know what your person is. This is my person. My person is saying the bureaucracy is like, the bureaucracy gets sort of like fed from above somehow or other. It's fed by these people that are the architects of one side or the other. But the actual bureaucracy includes the people that can solve the problem. Like in case in this bureaucracy, are people that can solve the problems and that if you just sort of – I'm not saying this is the case but if you sort of just like zip a bunch of the bureaucracy out, you run the risk of zipping out some of the people that actually have the brains to do the solutions.

And what this person said was the solution to the bureaucracy is within the bureaucracy that is finding the people that know what can be done because they really do Have the data they really do work. They actually do show up for work and They actually have the data on how to do this thing But because it keeps being fed from above all the time. There's just all this Extra debris and noise that keeps coming down that causes more clutter and more Splitting and more something. Yeah, so You know, I'm not gonna suggest that I could solve the question of bureaucracy today, but I think there's something about

What we have we we have the people you know, I'm going to go off on tangents now, but I always kind of had an objection to Tom Brokaw's book, The Greatest Generation, because I thought, like, damn it, that's not my generation. How do they get that? You know, but I did start reading some of it recently, and to his credit, he's finding people that are very singular in that generation that... Which generation is he referring to? Well, he's talking about the generation that won World War II.

Okay. And that generation was formed by the Great Depression, you know. That was part of what they had. And then they had a World War that lasted five years. And it's really hard for people of a certain age to understand, you know, like you think you have problems with your relationship, have your have your your lover go away for five years and see how well you're doing upon that person's return. Right. See what the hell that's like for five years and like you didn't answer my letter, you know, my letter. Right. Your letter, what letter,

you know, that your letter never came letter never came. I was under fire, whatever it was. And then you come back shell-shocked. And then you come back with shell-shocked on top of it. And then back then, the sort of kind of, I don't want to say macho thing, but back then people just didn't want to talk about it, which to me was part of what created the hippie generation was kids couldn't get their parents to talk about anything that they thought mattered. What their parents were talking about was like, huh?

Wait, what about peace, love, and what's so wrong about peace, love, and understanding? And they couldn't get to that because even the idea of peace was a completely different concept to someone that lived through a world war or lived through a depression. So these kids were like, I don't even understand who these people are. I know they're flesh and blood, but I don't know that. I don't know what the hell they know and why they're this way. But he chose people that lived a very intentional purpose during that very, very difficult, challenging time where they just went, I don't know what I don't know, I don't know what all this is, but I do what I do know, I do know what I do know, and stay through that. And that's, I guess that, I don't know how this relates me to this idea of bureaucracy,

but people that do know the facts have got to stay with the facts even in the face of like all the blunderbussing above about, you know, there's this and there's that. You've got to be really dedicated to what you do know and realize that there's lots that you don't know but if you give up what you know in the name of You know Jostling over here You know then there's even more lost. Yeah No, I agree and I think most people involved, particularly if they get involved in something like Homeless or any charitable organization,

most of the people who get involved aren't doing it cynically. They're not doing it to get that big paycheck. Their initial reason for being involved in something like that is to help. The problem is sometimes when they realize it's just a big clog and you're not going to be able to do any meaningful good, then things get weird and then you just sort of exist off of this system that's not doing anybody

any good. This is his argument about why so many people are working on this and nothing's getting better. All right, so who's this one? My friend, Coleon Noir. This is my friend who's a lawyer who went to San Francisco and saw all this and had a conversation with someone who's a lawyer who went to San Francisco and and saw this and so and had a conversation with someone who's actually In government in San Francisco was explaining what the problem actually is And the government people say it's just it's the government. No, they just say there's no incentive There's no incentive for them to do a better job and there's a very compassionate for them to do a better job. And there's a very compassionate perspective in the city. They're very kind people and they don't want to take these homeless people and remove them. And that this sort of suicidal empathy that they have for the people in their city is causing this

rash of tents everywhere and crime and you know you can't you have to leave your fucking car unlocked otherwise they're going to smash your windows and it's just that's what his perspective is it's that there's no real incentive to do anything different because these people are still getting paid to keep it the way it is it's not the amount of money they make is not based on how much good they do so like if if they're financially if they're incentivized to like, you get paid more if more people clean up, seek treatment, get on medication,

get to a mental health institution, if you can show some sort of progress, it'll affect how much money you get, and vice versa. If you have no progress and nothing gets done and the problem actually gets worse, perhaps you're not doing a good job well that sort of makes sense doesn't it it does you get results yes you you get encouraged by getting more money but yeah so does this remind you of anything it reminds me of everything lines here of the government itself what does it remind you of well I

feel like there's something hanging over our heads here that's like this situation, and maybe it's just a continuous situation of like a world that gets more and more people all the time, and more people want to have a voice, and there's just more people shouting all at once, and there's not quite the same kind of agreement. We don't have like an ideal that we're all working for. You know, I guess not to like cheat, but you know, the greatest generation, they had to fight a war to maybe save the sort of structure of Western civilization. Right.

And there is that argument, you know. Right. civilization. There is that argument, you know, that if the Nazi Party had defeated England, you know, life would be different, life would have been different, you know, and if that kind of dictatorship kind of world had gone further, you know, it would have been a different world. It wouldn't have grown the way it is. But now it's grown. There's this freedom. The war was fought.

I believe. There was a great quote, one of those books like there's no such thing as a bad piece or something like that. There's all kinds of different. But. I feel like this. Like, there's no no sort of idea that we can agree that people can agree on that's the source of like a reason for being well it's a very uniting thing to be all together against a common enemy that is real like World War two like there's a real purpose to life people understand that this is a very important mission

this is something that unfortunately, it's one of the the best ways to unite people is a Threat from the outside. We've come up with well, that's what happened in after 9-eleven Remember 9-eleven everywhere in LA people driving around with American flags on their car I forget 9-eleven what it was like to walk down the streets in New York after 9-11. It was nothing like I've ever experienced in my whole life. It was bizarre but it was also very united. Like people were together.

It was. People looked into each other's eyes. You walked by someone on the street and every person on the street looked right in your eyes. Yeah. And that lasted for weeks. I never saw, I mean people in New York walk with their head down, they look like they're reading a paper, but people just looking by like, okay, we're in this.

Yeah, together. Yeah. And I think some people actually obviously hated the act of what happened, but loved the way people reacted and how people felt with each other. It did feel different. New York City felt friendly. It felt united. It felt like people were proud to be American. We were all together. There's bad people out there. They did this to us, but we're all together. Well, okay, so what we have here with the situation of like just using San Francisco as the idea is like it's

just a gentler version of something that we could all say this is something that we have to go to war about. Yeah, well it's a task. Whether it's any kind of a problem that we have as a group that we all are affected by or care about. Well, it's too easy to ignore. It's too easy to just say, oh, there's the tents, let's go this way. And the reality is the health of the community, it's dependent upon the health of the lowest members of the community on the social rung.

The lowest members are the people that are sick. And if you don't take care of them, if you don't take care of the people that are mentally ill, that are homeless, that are addicted to drugs, that are on the street, that are desolate, that don't have friends, don't have love, don't have structure, don't have anything that they can call upon, horrible childhood, the whole deal. If you don't look at them, then you're society-sick. Because this is the foundation of the society is the people. If you've got a group of people that are part of your community and you're completely ignoring

their plight, that's not good for anybody. It's not good for big business, it's not good for the common folk, it's not good for the people in the neighborhood, it's not good for anybody. It's not good for big business. It's not good for the common folk. It's not good for people in the neighborhood. It's not good for anybody. And it's gotten so far because it's so big now. The problem is so enormous. It's almost too big to tackle. It's almost like, okay, you're dealing with LA, you're dealing with a hundred thousand people living on the street. That's so many fucking people. That's the entire population of Boulder. That's Boulder, Colorado, intense on the street in LA. That's crazy. It's almost too big. And I talked to Mayor Adler, who was the mayor of Austin at the time when I first moved here. And he was, he had a bunch of plans in place to help

the homeless people. And they did an amazing job because it got pretty bad here during the pandemic. I remember there being homeless here. Yeah, they They got hotels, they put people up, they put together programs, they got people jobs. There's a company that we've had, what is his name, Alan that we had in here, Alan Graham? From Loaves and Fishes, who we went, I went and visited his community they set up, he has this community where they build houses for these people. They bought an enormous piece of land outside of Austin, and he sets up work programs for these people,

gives them a sense of purpose. It's an amazing place to be. They're doing art and selling art. It's working? Yes, it's working. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't work with everybody, but it works with a lot of them. And these people, they have a sense of community

They all live in a safe area, and you know we walked around. I brought my kids. We walked around there It was like the whole thing was really nice. It was really wonderful. It was really cool what he's doing Well, how did that well so that guy his plan his way of working needs to obviously get a scale out there It's got it's got to get around so hard Working needs to obviously get a scale out there. It's got it's got to get around So how did he make it huh? He lives there and this is a guy who has money He lives in the community with those people. This man must be deputized Well, he's a Christian like a real Christian like in the greatest sense of the word Like he's a guy who really believes in reaching out to people and helping people

This is yeah, this is Alan right here He's just a wonderful guy like a a really beautiful person, and lives with these people. They're his neighbors, and they're constantly bringing people in, and he has all these different programs that people can sign up for to learn arts and crafts and learn how to sell things that you've made, and it's really cool. And you know, I mean, he's doing his part. It's small in relation to like the problem of San Francisco, but you need people like that that really dedicate themselves to it.

I've heard of Loaves and Fishes. This sounds, I didn't know all of this about it. It's pretty amazing. It's a pretty amazing place that he's got. And he's expanding it. They're building new ones right now So there's this small houses that these people live in and they'll have like a community kitchen Where they can go and barbecue and grill outside and there's an arts and crafts center these people they make cool chess pieces

And they sell them they make paintings. They sell them jewelry They're doing all these different things and they it gives them a sense of purpose. You gotta get this guy to San Francisco Yes, well, you need more people like him. That's what it is. It's just he's a very unique guy. Well, there must be people like him. There must be. But you mean it's a lot. I mean, he lives with them. I mean, he's in the community. He has one of those little houses

in this, you know, giant area filled with people. And he's with them for encouragement. And, you know, it's a beautiful thing. It sounds really amazing. Yeah. It's beautiful. And he's with them for encouragement and you know it's a beautiful thing. It sounds really amazing. Yeah, it's beautiful. Okay. Should we wrap it up Bill Murray?

Yeah, okay. I'm sorry I kept you so long. No! It was amazing. It's an honor to meet you. I really enjoyed it very much. And I appreciate talking to you. Thank you and thanks for the shirt and thanks for the shorts.

Yeah, well. I'm going to wear those. Okay. for the shirt and thanks for the shorts. Yeah, well, I'm gonna wear those. Okay, but you know, I will just say that those shorts are very, they're forgiving shorts. So if you've had a big meal, they still fit you. I like that. They're good. Can people buy these? Can they? Yeah, yeah, they sell them. It's called William Murray Golf. they sell them online a lot and they I know they sell them They sell them in the golf shops some places in some stores. There are that's that's either Yeah, that's it

Look at that guy. Look at that. Yeah handsome fucking model. Yeah, that's a model. That's a good-looking fella Let's get loud All right, that may be a model too. Yeah, he's definitely a model. He's beautiful. Well, thank you very much. I really enjoyed it. Same here.

Thank you. Enjoyed it. Thank you for having me. Bye, everybody. See you soon. See you soon. Bye. Bye.