The Joe Rogan Experience - #2285 - Andrew Schulz

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

Andrew Schulz is a stand-up comic, actor, and podcaster. He's the host of the "Flagrant" podcast with Akaash Singh, and the "Brilliant Idiots" podcast with Charlamagne Tha God. Look for his new special "Life" on March 4 on Netflix. www.theandrewschulz.com https://www.netflix.com/title/81741999 Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at ziprecruiter.com/rogan Visit www.squarespace.com/ROGAN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day! Opras, doing an episode on psychedelics. How about that? God bless. That means she's definitely done it. Yeah, you don't do a fucking... Are we rolling yet?

Are we rolling? Yeah? Yeah. Yeah, you don't do an episode on psychedelics unless you fucking visited the Maya Unless you got in there you think it's ayahuasca or mushrooms most of those fancy people like to do the ayahuasca Yeah, you know because then you can claim spirituality above all other people There's like a pretentiousness oh a, 100%. There's a I've done it. I've done it. I've experienced the mother god. Yeah. The god. Yeah. I've experienced Gaius. Yeah. It's like, I think, I think people do really do experience that. But also, there's a certain type of personality that wants to let you know that they're enlightened

Yeah, they're they're further down the road than you and drew yeah Yeah, like one way to get like instant street cred in the psychedelics world is say you do ayahuasca Yeah, you know if you do mushrooms you might just be some asshole at a party Yeah, you and your friends are just fucking giggling non-stop on the couch. It could be that there's no points in mushrooms, right? You don't get points for that. You can think you say you took a heroic dose you'll get points amongst the learned. Yeah Yeah, but the casuals don't give a fuck. You do I was gonna pay attention a little bit Yeah, the casuals are gonna go why'd you eat eight grams? Yeah, that seems crazy But the other people gonna go whoa, what was that like? Yeah?

Out here Oprah's out here. Oprah's out here pushing it. I wonder if it's like a... Yeah. I mean, this is on my friend Mark Bell's page, Mark Smelly Bell, and he said, what fucking year are we living in? Like, what is happening here?

What's going on? Yeah. I wonder if the Ayahuasca thing is, for some, like, a quick fix. You know, they're looking for, like, immediate life change. Oh, yeah, for sure. And also, sometimes your life has been such a colossal series of failures

that you want, like, some symbolic reset. Yeah. And probably there's a lot of value in, like, a real, like a real, like a set and setting like a ritual. Like I'm a new person. Maybe that bullshit will give you some momentum to kind of get on the right track. I was talking to Neil about this. You know, Brennan, you know, he did it. He's done a lot of different things.

Yeah, because he was trying. You know, he was really battling with stuff. He needs to get off that vegan diet. Yeah, maybe that's it. What if it's just chicken is all he needs? What if he's down in Costa Rica licking toads? And he really... For real. ...has another anger stash.

If I had that dude over my house and cooked him some elk steak, I'll change his fucking life. If you make an agreement, just eat this with me. He takes one bite and he's like, I am worthy. Yeah! Yeah! But I think he was talking about it and then like, and he was, you know, one of his like superpowers

is his like cynicism, right? And it's really debilitating. And I tell him to this all the time, but like, it's also amazing because he's like hyper aware of what the most negative thing could be. Right, so for joke writing, it's amazing. It's like he's constantly wondering, what would his biggest hater think?

I actually think it was one of the reasons why Chappelle's show was so successful, because it's like, to create things, you need to be super confident, you need to not worry about who's gonna criticize you. So if you can outsource your criticism, so if Dave can think about these things and be like, okay, this is awesome,

and then Neil can be like, yeah, yeah, but this would be said if we do this, and then together you have this perfect combination of uber confidence and then this insecurity, and then you make these things that are just masterpieces. And hyperanalytical insecurity. Yes. Like intelligent, high-brow, analytical.

When you're smart and insecure, it's even worse. Dumb and insecure, you can manage. But then he said he did the ayahuasca and he was like, he had gave me this like, I don't know, feeling of connectedness or whatever people experienced through it. And he's like, it was really liberating. I think I did my best work afterwards

because I wasn't constantly beating myself up. Like I was able to create. So I think there is value in it, but I do think sometimes people are looking for like the quick, okay my life has changed now and now I connect with the world and we're perfect. You can always tell the guys who beat themselves up because they beat other people up too.

What is it, hurt people hurt people. Yeah, the guys who beat themselves up They're always like super critical about it. Look at him. Yeah fucking bullshit Did you ever go through a stage like that? Not really no no I figured it out when I was 21 real lucky I talked about this the other day there was one time. It was an open mic night and The guy went on after me I was hoping that he would bomb and I remember thinking that like what a bitch ass way to think that is yeah Yeah, but there's such a bitch ass way to think and I completely shifted my perspective

Cuz like you don't think like that with martial arts like you can't think like that. You know, you can't think like that Yeah, you can't think like that ever. That's like a weak ass thought. Yes, and then I realized like oh This is like your brain trying to occupy itself with, you know, this time that's going to be between you and your goal of doing something in comedy. And it's so far away. You suck. You're 21 years old, and you suck. So everybody else got to suck.

So you want people to fail, and you want to do better. Yeah. It's like just a total scrambly, I don't know what I'm doing with my life thought. And I realized, I was like, oh, that's a bitch ass thought. But that is very normal for human beings. Oh yeah. There's a lot of bitches out there. Yeah, like we're kind of bitch made in general.

Like it takes more effort to not be a bitch actually. Especially if you have a job. So if you have a regular job job, like an office job, you will pretend to be a whole different person for eight hours a fucking day every day of your life that you're there. That is a lot of time bullshitting. And when you get out of all that bullshitting,

there's not much you left. Whatever could have been you never grew, because whatever could have been you was stifled by fluorescent lights and a fucking monitor. You're watching Severance, right? Oh yeah. I mean, clearly it's a metaphor for, there's a lot of things that go on too.

There's a lot going on with that show. And also shout out Ben Stiller. I didn't even know Ben had this level to him. Right. I've always respected Ben. I thought he was hilarious making great comedy movies, but I didn't know he was like an avant-garde Storyteller right right. I mean this is the way it's shot. It is brilliant the first episode Every shot I don't know who the DP is like we should find out who that guy is But every shot has like perfect symmetry did you notice that I didn't notice you could cut the screen in a half every single

shot really it is his masterpiece and The screen in a half, every single shot. Really? It is masterpiece. But I think about that, this idea of severing yourself, a lot of people are doing that at work anyway. 100%. That's what you were describing, they're this other person at work for eight hours a day.

Yeah. They aren't theirself, there's a different identity. They make up these little terms, like, oh, this is my work wife. It's like, yeah. Well, that's why it's so easy to push crazy, woke nonsense into an office space, because people are already bullshitting.

Oh, so if we're already pretending here, what else are we gonna pretend about? What else do I have to do to keep this job? What do I have to do to get a promotion? What do I have to do? Do I have to pretend that trans kids, what is it? Drab queen shows, okay I'm in, I'm in. Healthcare, yeah, it's on my dick,

whatever you wanna call it. Gender affirming, was that what we're calling it? And it's interesting to see how little pushback there is from the workers now that all these programs are being wiped away. Well, the people that are losing their job are complaining hard, and then the senators are complaining hard, but everybody else is happy.

Yeah, the people who have been faking it at work that are still working there are not like, damn it, you know what I mean? They're just going, all right, good, I get to be like a little closer version to myself. Well, they're probably gonna get fired. At Disney? You're saying at Disney?

What do you mean? I'm saying all these programs like have come out, maybe not Disney, but it was like Zuckerberg comes out and goes, yeah, Meadow, we're not gonna do the DEI shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Amazon even came out and said it. I thought you're meaning government jobs are cut by USAID. No, I'm talking about corporate not gonna do the DEI shit. I think Amazon even came out and said it. I thought you were meaning government jobs that were cut by USAID.

No, I'm talking about corporate jobs, people who have corporate jobs. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. My team deserves a lot of credit. They help make this show what it is and keep things running smoothly. I don't know if it would be half as good without them, but you know who deserves even more credit?

All the people whose job it is to hire. They're the real heroes. You and I wouldn't have the amazing teams we do without them. And as a reward, I wanna let you guys in on a little secret that make your job a whole lot easier. Use ZipRecruiter. You can even try it for free right now

at ziprecruiter.com slash Rogan. There's a reason ZipRecruiter is so popular among employers. And that's because of how fast it's smart matching technology works. Immediately after you post your job, ZipRecruiter will start sending you qualified candidates. And to really speed up the process, they have an invite to apply feature

that lets you personally reach out to your favorites. Hiring heroes, let ZipRecruiter make your job easier. Four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. See for yourself. Go to this exclusive web address to try ZipRecruiter for free. ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. Again, that's ZipRecruiter.com slash R-O-G-A-N. ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Oh, you mean corporate DEI jobs? Could be DEI, it could just be anybody

working there in general. But there's a bunch of people that got jobs and their whole job was to make sure that the company was diverse. Right. And it's like, do you remember the Rainbow Coalition? You remember Jesse Jackson back in the day? Jesse Jackson used to-

I know Jesse, but I was not familiar with him. He had this thing where he would go to businesses, like if they had some sort of a dispute, like say if there was some sort of an issue, like maybe some black executive got fired, maybe shouldn't have, or someone put something on the wall in the bathroom, something, Jesse Jackson will come in for a nominal fee.

For a nominal fee. He will come in and straighten your business out. And so, then, we'll make sure that you guys are on the right track, give a little speech, collect a little check, and then, what happens? So basically say you're not racist. Absolutely, you can't be racist if you're hiring Jesse Jackson.

We're on the right track. So he comes along, gives you the rubber stamp. Legend. And then he's like balling, like balling out of control, just giving the rubber stamps to these companies. And then on top of that, what they do is then they would have jobs for people to oversee this activity in a large corporation.

So it's basically like No Show Jobs, the mob used to give out at the Javits Center. I had a buddy of mine who had one of those. Do people know what the Javits Center is here? It's a big convention center in New York City. In New York City, this is where Comic Con would be and all these different things. Big stuff.

And it was mobbed up, right? Mobbed up. So they would have all these fake jobs that you could give to the guys around the block. Everybody's getting paid, and it's probably supported by the city in some way I don't want to say his name because he's still around. Okay, but he was an actor and I was working with him and he was explaining. He's got a no-show job I knew he was why no you're talking about me now, but I'll tell you afterwards fucking great guy

Okay, but afterwards everybody was like that guy's like so mobbed up No show job, you know it's funny about you get like 200 grand a year. You don't have to work. Yeah Yeah, I mean, I mean there's a lot of like construction jobs and stuff But this is well, this is what you were finding USA found this place in San Antonio that it was only Ukraine dollars on. And it's fucking no one was there, completely empty. To me this is not shocking but Bro, the numbers are shocking.

No, the numbers can get shocking but it's funny that Jesse Jackson thing is an actual job because I remember, I had a joke that it could never work out but the idea was based on, it was Black Lives Matter when Ukraine started popping. So everybody had the Black Lives Matter posters in their windows in New York. And when Black Lives Matter kind of came down.

Well, it's once those ladies got caught buying houses. Of course, of course. That put a dent in it. It wasn't great. So now there's all these white people in New York that have Black Lives Matter in their window, but they're like, I gotta get this out of my window. So I had this idea for a joke where it's like,

if I was a black dude, I would set up a business where we will take down your Black Lives Matter poster for you and then replace it with a Ukraine flag. You know what I mean? So like, you're still a good person. Jesse was doing it in the fucking 70s. I had no clue the Rainbow Coalition already worked Oh, is that that is what it's called right was the I was the Rainbow Coalition

But he had a bunch of other things he would call it under but the whole idea was just to make sure that people weren't Doing the wrong thing. Yeah, do the right thing. Yeah, you gotta do the right thing You gotta do the right thing always yeah, but the problem does it gets hijacked obviously there should be no racism There should be zero racism. Yes, there should be zero discrimination. Yeah, they should problem does it gets hijacked obviously there should be no racism. There should be zero racism. Yes There should be zero discrimination. Everything should be merit-based Yeah, but the problem with that is and this is a real problem The country's not merit based in terms of like where you're born like you didn't earn your birth spot Yeah, you didn't earn your family. Yeah, it's a roll the dice

Yeah, and you get real lucky or really fucking unlucky Yeah, and as a community as a country we pay zero attention to the completely downtrodden. I Think this is the the biggest mistake That the Democrat Party has made is Not making it a class issue Like the most successful people in the party like like Bernie, and you like her politics or not, but like AOC, they make it a class issue every single time. I think AOC pulled the same as Trump in her district. Why is that?

Because people think that she wants to help. And Bernie has just been taking shots the entire time. He's like, look at all these billionaires, they got a lot of money, you don't have enough money. Campaign finance is fucked up, we need to stop that. There's too much influence with people with money. And it resonates with people. Oh yeah, man.

We feel like you want to help. I mean, you, I feel like you were like a big Bernie dude. Dude, that was the first time I really got canceled, was over Bernie, because they didn't want Bernie to win, and so they started calling me racist and homophobic, and I was like, where is this coming from? When Bernie started popping, what did they say, right? They had to I don't know who they is you could call whoever the fuck they want but like there was this idea that they had to like thwart his success and these articles starts coming out where it was like The Bernie bros. Yeah, Bernie's got a problem his his his fans or supporters are sexist

They're racist and they're these bros these pros that are fucked up and they're radioactive and they're bad people and he's got a real problem. So they're trying to make him radioactive. I remember seeing the reaction to Trump coming on the pods and it was the exact same playbook. It was like, the Manosphere pods. They're sexist, they're racist. Look how fucked up. It's like you're doing the same thing.

You're making it about identity politics. I think Americans are kind of simple in that like we want abundance, but we want access So if eggs are expensive, I can't care about your bathrooms, right? Like and you need to tap into that feeling right there. So from the Democrats I'm just this is a class issue, but I feel unfortunately a lot of them are in the pockets of these wealthy people Yes, this is it's all it's all a hustle if we had The entire time if we had brilliant people working for the betterment of the United States It'd be a far better place to live it

We've had a bunch of people that are capitalizing off of the fact they get in this position of extreme influence and wealth Yeah, and they make insane amounts of money for people with a hundred seventy thousand dollar year salary And they keep it rolling. So how do you do that? How do you find, okay, how do you find someone who wants power but is also benevolent? Because like- You gotta get rare human beings.

That's the thing, most people who want power don't exactly wanna give back. It's a bottomless pit. Bro, have you ever seen people get a little bit of power and lose their fucking marbles like who? Well, I can't say I can't tell a story Real obvious what I'm talking about, but it's not one of our friends. God. I just don't want to say it publicly It's not you don't even know. Okay

But I've seen people with just like you get a job where you're the boss now Yeah, just become a cunt and a half like what happened. Do you think it exposes who they always were or do you think? It actually changes their Their character it's probably both It's probably both they probably had weak character to begin with but they could get away with it if they were not in Situations that you know caused a lot of anxiety or stress But then as soon as they do get in a situation Caused a lot of anxiety or stress but then as soon as they do get in a situation

What causing like if you're the boss some workplace somewhere? Yeah I've just seen people just completely lose their shit when people rely on them and depend on them. They just become tyrants Do you think that they resent the dependence? I don't know what it is, man. I don't know what you have a lot of people that Depends is yeah, I would say depend is tricky because they have the autonomy to not do that but there are a lot of people that definitely rely on you and Yeah, do you feel pressure from yeah, no really no I feel like you took care like before you open the comedy club,

you were taking care of these people that you asked to come out here and work for you. So you must have felt this concern for them. Yeah. But you hire them and weren't you paying them even before the club was open? Yeah. Well, they were all unemployed out of LA. So I said, listen, we're going to open up a club. We're going to find a spot. But you could start immediately. So like you just get paid, enjoy Austin, kick back, relax, we'll call you in about a year and a half. But you felt... It was around two years. But you felt a responsibility. Yes, but it didn't burden me. Got it. It wasn't like, oh, this is a heavy responsibility. It's like, this is smart,

we could do this, this is the right thing to do. This way, we the best people that you know got fired from the comedy store because comedy store couldn't open Yes, LA's retarded. Yeah, and so we got them all to come out here and it's like look the right thing to do is to like pay him now and We'll figure that out. We just had to figure out where the spot was and then Obviously once we got the spots like this is gonna be a long We're gonna have to put some construction in this bitch and do a lot of shit So take some months so you you knew is gonna take time you're like, okay I'm gonna take care of them in the interim

But again, it's so you're not burdened by people feeling like they rely on you or any no doesn't bother me No, if it burdened me like if it was something where I was worried I was gonna run out of money. Like if I was like stretched real thin. Yeah, I like fuck There's so many people working for me. This is a problem. I gotta I gotta like stretched real thin, I'd be like, fuck, there's so many people working for me. This is a problem. Like I gotta like figure something out. But I'm not, so it's okay. It's just, it's like to decide what you think about

in this life. What do you mean by that? Decide what you think about in this life. Are you gonna do something that's going to change the way you feel about having a bunch of employees or are you not? Are you just gonna freak out about it? Like decide what you feel about having a bunch of employees or you're not, or you're just gonna freak out about it. Decide what you think about things.

What are those two philosophies? Like a determinism and a free will? Yes. Are you a huge free will guy? Do you believe in determinism at all? Will is real, okay? I know it's real, because it exists in me. The idea though is that it's fleeting,

and it's dependent upon a multitude of factors. Your will is really dependent upon your hormone levels, your genetics, how much sleep you've had, what positive or negative experiences have shaped you in your life. There's a lot going on that forces you into this position where you have to decide whether or not will is real Yeah, but wills real I believe it's real. It's a hundred percent real. Yeah, like I know

It's not determinism that makes David Goggins run harder than anybody else. Yeah, it's will yeah, it's a hundred percent will his knees are destroyed Yeah, it's a hundred percent will his knees are destroyed. Yeah, it's only will Yeah, it just gets you up off the couch. Yeah, if your knees are destroyed and you run a tidy 30 miles that day Yeah, yeah, that's not that's not determinism. Yeah, that's bullshit. It was determinism. There'd be tons of those guys out there Yeah, we got a small Cameron Haynes small little fucking handful Yeah of these like psychotic people who have incredible will world champion fighters Gordon Ryan and jujitsu like there's a does it like Gordon Ryan works out every fucking day of the week

365 days a year a huge sacrifice if you want to be really great at something You kind of have to be out of your fucking mind, but you also have to have an iron will. You don't want to work out every day. There's going to be days you just want to eat cake and sleep. But if you want to get past the guy who eats cake and sleeps, you don't eat cake and you don't sleep. That's will, dude. That's will.

Your determinism could suck my dick because it's never there's no just like Accidental amazing people yeah, yeah, like you know it's like a lot of similar stories. Just single bomb You know started doing this and started doing the invented something who is 18 do they all come from trauma you think I think a lot Of people that are hyper ambitious come from a shitty environment. And what is that connection? I think it's probably wanting something better than you're experiencing and knowing that it's possible that it's out there and knowing the pain of living in the ghetto or the pain of being on food stamps, the pain of poverty and then the fact that like when you're poor and you're young you wonder whether or not you're going to have food

you know that's a scary thought for a child. That's motivating. Yeah it puts a Like when you're poor and you're young, you wonder whether or not you're going to have food. That's a scary thought for a child. Yeah, that's motivating. Yeah, it puts a kind of fire in you. Like you don't get a Mike Tyson if he grows up in Brentwood. Yeah. You get them when they grow up in Bedford-Stuyvesant.

Yeah. You don't get them when they have an awesome dad and an awesome mom who was there for their baseball games, tells them what a great job they did, and consoles them when they get hurt. No, no, no. You have a life of pain, and then you got some pain to dish out after that. I also, but I feel like it's not completely dependent on that.

You know, I wouldn't say that I had this life of pain. Like, I've dealt with my shit, but I feel incredibly competitive and ambitious. Well, you're an artist. It's a different thing, right? The reason why it's a different thing is you're an artist in a very specific genre, which is talking shit. You're a shit-talking artist, right?

I'm undisturbed to that. It is what it is. It is what it is. It's beautiful. You're professional shit-talkers. It's my favorite art form. And shit- shit talking artists, they want to be around a bunch of people and have a good time. Yeah. Right?

So you don't need to come from trauma to be ambitious and be a shit talking artist. Yeah. All you have to do is like be someone who admires success and who wants to progress and keep getting better at this thing that they love that has given them so much. Yeah, but you also have to sacrifice and you have to commit to things. Right. You know, I do feel like it takes, like I mean, I didn't, I mean, in the beginning,

like I don't think I celebrated a birthday for like a decade, like I don't think I ever considered like taking a vacation or anything, like I was just so hungry to get after it, to get good, to be undeniable. That was this goal. It's like, how can I be undeniable? I would see these guys go up, like fucking Greer Barnes

or Mike DiStefano, and I'd just be like, they're just undeniable. And yeah, I don't know, I didn't even fucking drink, I think, for like a decade. I was like, I gotta get better at this. I gotta just kinda work. And maybe I got to just kind of work and Maybe that comes from like watching my parents work hard or something. I'm sure that helps. Yeah, they were really hard workers Yeah, and that's like the expectation of work

Well, also you have a lot of gratitude and I think if you have gratitude you realize how fortunate you are to have the ability To work hard. Yeah, cuz that's a real thing. Oh, dude. Especially working hard at something that you're actually successful at. Like once you're actually successful, keep that foot on the gas, motherfucker. It is. Keep that foot on the gas, let's go.

That's like the balance. Like you just put something out, so I imagine you took a little time off afterwards. Yeah, I did. I got like 25 minutes right now. Okay, so you're building back. Yeah. And like, I find in order for the next thing I do

to be different, I have to take time away. Uh-huh. Because I have to like reflect on the changes in my life. And if I keep going, like earlier in my career, I would just go, go, go, go. And I found I was writing different versions of the same jokes. Right. Like, they were different writing different versions of the same jokes, right?

like they were different jokes, but it was Same topic same kind of reaction and I think it was I just wasn't you're trying to fill time. I'm on the road I'm like I gotta go back to Albany next year. Do another hour 1500 a weekend and then you get connected to that material because you've been doing it for a while Yeah, and then it doesn't really resonate with you. And then, yeah, so it's like. I think Louis took a whole year off. I think, I really respect that. Yeah, I think it's wise.

Yeah. I think taking time and thinking about it is really wise. And thinking about what are the things that are on your mind? How do you really feel about this world that we're living, this world that seems more and more like it's not real More more like it's a fucking simulation. Yeah Yeah, I'm kind of convinced now what it is a simulation. Yeah something going on. There's something more to

Reality than what meets the eye there's more to it than what you could put on a scale or what you could put a rule or two. There's more to this thing. This thing's made out of some very bizarre energy that's attached to consciousness. That's what I think. What do you mean by this? I think that, like, I think it's really possible. First of all, it's inevitable that one day they will achieve a simulation that is indiscernible from reality. Okay.

And no doubt about it. They've gotten real close, you know, where you could put on haptic feedback suits and you can see things and you feel like you're in a room. You know, it's crude, but it's like, you know, Nintendo from 20 years ago versus, you know, some modern warfare game now right they're going to get to a point where it's indiscernible yeah so if it's if it does happen how do you know how do you know when that takes place now here's the question is that the ultimate progression of technology is the ultimate

progression of technology transcending physical reality and becoming completely digital life. So if that is possible, how do we know what's if it hasn't already happened? How can we know if it hasn't already happened? Well, one thing I would say that if this world was scripted, it would be filled with a lot of shit that's exactly like what happened Trump would get shot in the ear and say fight fight fight Yeah, you would have Elon Musk at the inauguration looking like he's on another planet now Joe I just want to make the point here. You're making the argument for determinism. No, I'm not

Argument that there's a conscious interface. There's consciousness and it's interfacing with something that's not entirely real and that is the life that we're living in. And we think it's way realer than it actually is. So is somebody in control of it or they're allowing us to have some semblance of control? I feel like it might be controlled by the actual things that are inside of it. So I think our destiny is truly in our hands. I really believe that. I like that.

And then if that is the case, how is that not real? Well, it is real in a sense, but I think that the actual way that things happen and work is dependent entirely on the level of consciousness that people have that are experiencing it It sounds like very hippie-dippy and wooey and it all comes comes from a lot of different things But one of it comes from Tom Campbell who wrote this like very fucking bizarre book that I've listened to an audiobook twice now Okay, or he's talking about essentially what we think of as reality is just a simulation. The whole entire thing is our consciousness interpreting everything as we experience it

throughout the day, but when we are not here, that is not the same thing. What do you mean when we're not here? When we die, you're saying? Like when we're not, if you're not on Mars, is Mars real? Or is Mars something that we agree is real? We agree it's in a certain space and it'll only be there when we get there? Like if the universe is a true simulation, imagine what a mind fuck. You have a simulation where it's perfect in that it has all these galaxies and supernovas.

The moon aligns perfectly with the earth to cause eclipses, and without the moon being there, our entire atmosphere would fall apart. We would never be able to survive. So it's like this perfect little thing that's set right there, and we spin around and worry, which bathroom should we let the guy in a dress go to? And... Okay.

This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you're looking to start an online business, you need to check out Squarespace. We even use it for joerogen.com. You can effortlessly take payments for whatever you want to sell thanks to Squarespace payments, giving you options like Apple Pay, Klarna, and more. Plus, with integrated SEO tools, your customer base will always be able to find you. Try it for free at squarespace.com. Use squarespace.com slash rogan to save 10% on your first purchase.

But meanwhile, it's just a show that's being put on for our consciousness. Okay, so it's a show being put on for our consciousness, right, and somebody's put on the show, and then we get the ability to go to the moon, and then they gotta scramble and make a moon? No, there's a moon. I mean, it doesn't matter. Wherever you go, there is a place.

Because that is kind of funny, it's like, if our technology gets so good, and they're just going just going fuck we gotta make this thing real. Like they're on the way. I'm well aware if you're like criticizing me this is a dopey way to describe it. But I, you know, if the tree falls in the forest and there's no one there, does it make a sound? Yes.

I don't even know if the tree falls if there's no one there. Oh god. No. No. No. No. I'm not convinced.

I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced. So the tree... Okay, okay, so... I think if you take a trip to the Pacific Northwest, you will find trees. Yes, yes. I just don't know if they're there all the time. So they're only there in reference to us looking at them.

Oh, I get what you're saying. I think that's... Wait, wait, wait. So you're playing a video game. Uh-huh. And as you move throughout the map of the video game, it presents itself. It has to render new levels, yeah. But you're saying without us accessing it, it isn't presenting itself.

It might be the whole universe. They're saving on data. That might be the whole universe. The whole universe might be us interacting with something. But they exist. But it doesn't exist without us yeah and this is one of those things like what does it matter either way but exists with us in this moment like if you jump off a cliff you will die yeah

like gravity's real yeah you'll get pulverized yeah no no doubt but it's because you jumped it's also like your consciousness is Is the reason why all this is here? Yeah, that's you're interacting with that's the manifestation of everything though So I get what you're saying like the structure Existentially does it exist if we're not touching it feeling it? It's it's what they say about like the Native Americans when they first saw the ships. They didn't know what they were Yeah, that's bullshit. Yeah, exactly, but Exactly. But I wouldn't say that it's not real and that they didn't understand what it was.

In the distance, they think they were like mountains moving closer. They probably just saw these giant pieces of wood and was trying to figure out. They had structures. They might not know it's wood. But didn't they have structures? I don't know if they're fishing at that time. I'm not sure. But if you see them in the distance you see it moving forward, right? I get the idea like your brain can't map what that is. Yeah, you'd be freaked out

So it's mapping to whatever, you know, so it's like oh shit Is it low tide and there's some like sandbars out there that are slowly approaching. What the fuck is that? That's kind of what you're saying We can't under like I can't understand like what a glacier is without knowing what it is When I see a glacier for the first time I can recognize glaciers everywhere But if I take some who's never seen a glacier to it, I think this guy's going further than that I think he's saying the glaciers are real less you're there But if someone is there at every point in time

Throughout the world then everything is Yes, and we have enough people where there's some people in Antarctica. All right, so Antarctica is always there. There's some people in Alaska. Okay, so that's always there. If we have enough people throughout the world, the world is this congealed substance that we can look at, feel, touch and experience. Yeah. And it might be like the map of the game is like those NASA satellite photos of Earth.

That's the map of the game. Like if you wanted to like go through a game a video game and Before you go through the game it shows you like these are the arenas in which you're playing and you can choose one of them Yeah, yeah, you choose one or you know which level you're going to yeah, like that's those NASA 3d photos of the earth That's what the earth is. Yeah, like the place where we play this consciousness game when you're sitting at home And you're like thinking about these things yeah, do you like talk to your kids about it? No, that's too weird to talk to kids about what about your wife? Are you like just going hey? She would go what? You know my wife she'd be like what the fuck are you talking about okay? So you get out of the sauna you have a nice sweat you're walking... So you get out of the sauna, you have a nice sweat, you're walking around your house, you're looking at the stars,

you see fucking Saturn or whatever in the sky. Look, if she wants to talk about something like that, she'll bring it up. Like, if she wants to talk about something heavy, it's not like I wouldn't talk about something heavy with her. But generally, like, I come home from work, she's been with the kids, she's doing this and that, we eat dinner, we have fun, how was school? Have a good time. Maybe we watch Little Severance together. But if she's like, did you ever think that maybe this is all isn't real?

I'd be like, I'm so glad you brought this up. Okay, so do you struggle battling with the... Because some people, when they think about this stuff, they feel their own insignificance and it's very depressing for them. Oh, it doesn't matter. So you're unaffected entirely that like your existence in this lifetime over the grand scheme of things

could not be important. It can be important. But it is. But it is to you and it is to the people around you. And if that makes up our reality, then it's important. Sure. But why think about that? Why think about whether or not you're important?

I just don't waste any time thinking about whether or not I'm important. Maybe important is like a pretentious word. Not important. I mean like... Don't think about the end of the game. Play the game. Don't go, oh my god, it's going to end. Yes.

My quarter's going to run out. Just play the game. But some people won't play the game if they know there's no game at all, or they know it is a completely game. I think that there's this urgency that is applied. Like, okay, I have to create the art that I wanna create in this time in my life. Time is something I've been thinking about nonstop

since I had a kid. It's like, time, how do I spend time? It maybe is cliche, but it is the thing that I value the most, and everything gets broken up into these little quadrants of time. Okay, I'm out here, I'm doing some pods, okay, I'm away from my daughter, I'm away from my wife. How do I get back that time?

How can I create these events? Like, I don't even buy expensive shit. I like to take a vacation with my friends. I want us all to stay in the villa together, because when we're in different hotel rooms, we miss out on those little moments in between. Like, time, time, time. And to me, it's like I'm putting an importance on this,

I guess the game you say you're playing. I want to experience the most of this game as I possibly can while I'm here. And I have all these examples of people like finishing the game. My dad, he's got dementia and all this stuff. It's like you're seeing your ability to, I guess, manifest that reality

You're at the kind of end of your game, you know, but like Yeah, I the idea of like me being important. I don't care about like that in terms of how people see it But in this time I have here I want to believe it's really important and I want to soak as much of it up as I can You know, and I think sometimes when you're like, oh, it's pointless, it's nothing. I felt like Jim Carrey was going through that moment. There are these times where I'd see Jim talking about the insignificance of the world.

And I feel like that can kind of lead people to sadness and depression. I feel like sometimes you need the battery in your back of importance. Not you being important to other people, but the time you spend here being valuable. Yeah, well, that's part of gratitude too. That's one of your best traits. Not you being important to other people but the time you spend here being valuable. Yeah Well, that's part of gratitude too. That's one of your best traits

and Having gratitude is you would recognize that you this time is precious You know, yeah use it to the best of your ability and then really like you enjoy it like so get up Did you see everything everywhere all at once? Yeah, I did Like I thought that was a beautiful Beautiful way of showcasing how people look at like the nothingness of life. Yeah, this girl Sees it as potentially nothing and falls into her own kind of I Guess you would call it, depression.

Why is it worth it? What the fuck is going on? Right. And she kind of sees her father as this weak guy that's getting walked over. And then comes to realize that he chooses to deal with the nothingness with kindness and love with everybody. And in reality, he's a hero.

His perspective on the world is the best. When confronted with the nothingness of life, he chooses to like be compassionate and loving. And it's actually like the most heroic stand you can take. I think it's very easy to just submit to nothingness. You're, uh, determined, is maybe the wrong word, but like you like hard shit. The day, the day you're no longer here is when you can no longer do hard shit. I day you're no longer here

is when you can no longer do hard shit. I feel like your day is full of it, and it's just constant. Like, wake up, I'm getting in the fucking ice bath. Like, everything I see you do is hard. You know what I mean? Like, you could shoot a fucking thing with a gun if you want. You could shoot animals with a gun.

I'm surprised you don't run on them with a fucking knife. Like, literally, I feel like one day I'm gonna see you go, I'm going knife hunting, I'm going bear knife hunting, just because it's a difficult thing to do. And I don't know, maybe that's how you process the process existence. Well, I think if you are a person who enjoys challenges and finds a reward in working hard

and overcoming that resistance inside of you, as Pressfield talks about, that thing that wants you to be lazy. If you have value in that, you find value in that and it helps you live like a more enriched, more fulfilling life, you tend to just keep doing that. Because this is like, I know for a fact, me as much as I work out and take care of myself if I take like three days off You'll start to get used to it. I start getting depressed. I start getting anxious. I start feeling weird. Like I don't feel Level like a couple of days off. You're just like I just feel gross

I was just like why is the world so weird and then I'll have one good hard workout and then I'm like, oh Everything's fine. And I'm like, how many people need that? And don't get it. So what is that? It's just a human body has certain requirements because it's designed to run from tigers. Okay? The human body is designed to constantly be.

So you have to feed it. Yeah, you have to feed it. You have to deal with these difficult things because for millions of years, that's how our brains and bodies have been processed to work efficiently. And if you don't put in those situations, You have to deal with these difficult things because for millions of years, that's how our brains and bodies have been processed to work efficiently. And if you don't put in those situations,

what is the messaging like, you're wasting this time here? What is that internal messaging? You can have both, right? You can have people that have brilliant minds and shit bodies, they exist. There's people that don't take care of their body at all. Stephen Hawking. Yeah, Stephen Hawking.

Yeah, Stephen Hawking. But he had a disease. But he wasn't like an Adonis before. Right, that's true too. People act like it's a big difference. Yeah, but the best way for your brain to work well is if your body is healthy and has energy. It doesn't mean you have to be a weightlifter. It doesn't mean you have to be... you donifter. It doesn't mean you have to be,

you don't have to do any specific thing. If you like running, run. If you like tennis, play tennis. If you like yoga, do yoga. But you should 100% do something. Find a thing you enjoy doing. That's why golf or rather tennis is such a great thing, because it's cardio and it's fun.

Yeah. Right, you're doing a fun thing. Do-do-do-do, you're playing with your friends, you're talking shit. Also community. Yeah, community. Right. You're doing a fun thing. But don't do you play with your friends? All the community. Yeah. Community. Huge. Yeah. But you're you're active. If you don't do that, I don't think your body is in sync. And I think there's a whole lot of people running out there taking care of things with pills that you could fix way better

and and feel and look better. More importantly, you it would help in every aspect of your life it would help you think clear you'd have less stress you'd be more reasonable like go fucking do something with your goddamn body yeah and if you if you don't do that I really believe you don't do that you have less potential you can have a genius mind that allows you to overcome that potential with just pure intelligence, just a pure insight on the world that's extraordinary.

You could overcome bullshit hormone levels and bullshit body fat levels, you could, but you shouldn't. You're so fucking smart, you got a terrible body, what's wrong with you? You have one of these goddamn things., you can make that thing awesome. Yeah One fucking body yours is a dumpster. Yeah, yours is a dumpster for potato chips. That's crazy What do you like when you're talking to these high-functioning dudes? You're talking to like an Elon is there did they value exercise and stuff like that at all?

Like, can he even put that in his day? Like. Elon's a different animal. There's no other human I've ever met like him. No, I don't think he exercises much. I think maybe a little bit. I know he was thinking about fighting Zuckerberg, so he did some training.

He didn't walk that small. Where did he train with? Lex and who else? Was it George St. Pierre? They put up a photo of it. It was George was George right so he trains with one of the greatest UFC fighters of all time Yeah, Lex Friedman our boy who is also Brazilian jujitsu black belt Yeah, and I think he just did a little bit of that was like fuck. Yes. Shout out Lex Yeah, it is like look at John Donahue the great John Donahue the greatest jujitsu coach of all time

So he was like learning some stuff. I'll never forget Lex coming to my wedding uninvited and blacking out. Hehehehe. I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that. Thank you, Lex, we really appreciate that. In all fairness, it was my fault that he blacked out. You forced him to drink.

I kind of got him a drink and didn't realize the Russian in him had a mind of its own. Hahaha. And didn't realize the Russian in him had a mind of its own With that fucking American bourbon, you know the fucker was off to the race so funny what he was like yeah I'm gonna take legs. I was like okay cool. Yeah, I like that guy And then I remember seeing him on like a beach chair just passed the fuck out. Oh, dude. We had an adventure Yeah, so you guys went to Vegas later Vegas that night cuz Whitney had a Corp ring she had a wedding. Oh, yeah, it's a house. It was a corporate. Oh, it's a good

It was a wedding at someone's house. Yeah, I think was a wedding or birthday whatever it was Yeah, party private party at someone's house must have been a birthday. So we fly from your wedding Yeah, congratulations. Yeah hang out and then hop on a jet, you know, it's only 30 minutes to Vegas We get to Vegas by the time we land Lex is lit. Yeah. Yeah, I mean Lex is lit at the party So Whitney Performs at this lady's house Didn't you go on I introduce her. Oh, I go like five minutes. I was drunk, too Okay, I went up and said happy birthday whatever to the lady

I forget what it was. I think I'm pretty sure it's birthday And then I bring up my good friend one of the most hilarious comics in the world we come and then She we we get on the plane or we we get in the car to go to the plane back Yeah, and there's no plane. They never booked a return flight So we try to get a return flight cuz they had her got her a little shitty private jet to get there Yeah, so then we try to get a return flight. We cannot I call my service They can't the quickest they could do is in the morning. Yeah, like what do you guys want to do? So I we decide that we're gonna get a limo and so have a car service drive us back to LA Love it

So it's four hour drive or whatever the fuck it is. It's me my wife Whitney and Lex I remember you just sending me videos of Lex passed out at different parts of the casino That's at the airport That's at the airport But he's like that for the last 12 hours. He was like that at the wedding. He was obliterated. I mean he went hard. That boy goes hard. He goes hard. It makes you want to not drink.

There's certain people around him like, I think I'm done. I think I'm done. I feel like less people are drinking. That might be your influence. It's a good idea to not drink so much. I wonder if the alcohol companies are concerned. They're trying to find something It's always gonna be drunks. I

See it. I see it a like beard consumption way down the problem is it's poison. Yeah Everything's wonderful lovely poison. Yeah, my favorite poison is wine. I love a great glass Do we have a little like nice little red going on on here? Do we have any red wine here? I want to know what you're drinking. There's something. Yeah, there's at least some out there for sure. OK. Can we get some?

Do you want some? I mean, if you're going to have a glass, I'll have a glass. I'll have a sip with you. Just a sip. I've kind of cut way back on my alcohol consumption. Oh, really? Yeah, way, way back. Every time I'd go out to dinner, I'd have a drink or two.

Every time I'd go to the club, I'd have a drink or two Yeah, every time I'd go to the club and have a drink or two and then one day I sat down I was like that's like four days a week five days a week That's like a drink or two five days a week like how would you feel if you didn't have a drink or two five days a Week, so I didn't have any drinks and like two weeks, and I feel a lot better really so am I breaking your like streak right now Yeah, you would be breaking my streak. I don't want to fuck a streak up Well, we don't have to drink it then. But actually let's break it, it'll be really fun. I don't mind.

I think the key is, like all things, it's all about moderation. But the reality of alcohol is it's basically poison. Yeah, but it's got great social utility. Oh yeah. I feel like people undermine the value of alcohol and how. It ain't around for all these years cause it sucks. And like if you travel

If you don't get to experience certain cultures in their truest form without them consuming alcohol Right like if you've gone to like Ireland you go to Dublin like during the day There are very different people and they seem kind of like tight and dour and then at night at the pub after like a few Guinness it seems almost cliche, but everybody's singing and dancing, and there's so much like love and connectivity, and you see why all this great like literature, music, and poetry just comes from this tiny little island,

and you're like, oh wow, you really need that. Like it is a tough place to live, and you gotta stuff everything down, and you need a release valve. Same thing with Russia Russia like when I was in Russia seeing them on the drink They're on the drink on the drink They're warmer there There's more a great way of this expiry though on the drink for real. We have fancy glasses. Okay What are you thinking?

Which one was the one that you just touched grab that one where your hand is That's what we're gonna decide so I said a long time ago How do you how do you like how do you find that balance where like you kind of need it old-ass wine, huh? How do you find what bounce just like there it allows people to access this part of themselves that they might feel is like a push down or... The problem is if you use it too much, right? Yeah. And also the problem is like I notice if I drink

three or four nights in a week, I don't feel as good. Yeah. And when I don't drink at all for two weeks and I feel like really good all the time, I'm like, what am I retarded? Why am I drinking? Why would I drink? Yeah.

Like I don't need to drink to have a good time. But, you know, when you're at the bar, or at the club, rather, and everyone's being social, and Tony's like, who wants a drink? Anybody want a drink? And they're like, okay, cheers. It's just about discipline. It's just about, like, if you feel like

you're going off the rails, hit the brakes, settle down, what are you doing? But a lot of folks don't have any of that unfortunately and you know, they They'll be sober for a long time and then one glass of chardonnay later. They're doing cocaine and headed to Vegas Friedman Brails on a private jet. Who does go and passes out? Pass out on QR. Pass out on QR. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha You're like infants, you know, there's just completely no control of their body. Yeah, you're not even there. Hello! Look at you out cold!

It's just a weird aspect of people that we have to shut off. That's so weird. I was just watching this video about this guy who, he did a radio broadcast in Times Square where he stayed up for eight days. And this guy started having crazy hallucinations. He was having his REM sleep. His REM cycles in his brain were going off while he was awake.

While he was awake, interesting. So he was living inside nightmares. Yeah. I'll send it to Jamie. It was crazy. I think Duncan sent it to me. It's really wild. They say that can induce insanity

faster than anything, right? Oh, for sure, dude. I mean, without a doubt. The sleep deprivation. Yeah, sleep deprivation is really bad for you. How many hours do you get a night? I try to get at least seven. Oh, wow.

But if you come home late from the club, you're just... When I do if if it's School days, especially I get up in the morning. I say goodbye and then I'll maybe go back to sleep for an hour So like I'll get up with them, you know see them off and then I'll go out to sleep for like one more hour Yeah, cuz I can I can sleep on the ground dude. I can go to sleep on rocks I could I just I know how to pass out so like I can go to sleep on rocks. I Know how to pass out so like I could go right back to sleep, and I'm here But I like seven, but I can function on six. I had six last night Yeah, I had to get up in the morning for a dentist appointment, but generally speaking um

I'm looking for eight. Yeah, I like eight. Yeah, eight's where it's at. I don't think I've had eight Looking for eight. Yeah, I like eight. Yeah, eight's where it's at. I don't think I've had eight hours I don't think I've had eight hours since I had a kid. Oh, yeah, I didn't either for a while It takes a long time and it's also like Your day is way more occupied Oh, it's it's a completely different like like, you really realize how much your actual time working on something is precious when you have children because like they just go to bed, you're like, okay, I got an hour to get some shit done.

You know, you got one hour. You don't have an hour to flip through your phone, check out TikTok, uh-uh. You got an hour to get something done. And then you gotta go to bed. And then you gotta get up in the morning, you gotta get up early, you gotta help with this, help with that, we're doing this, we're doing that,

we're packing our stuff in here, and okay, let's go there, and there's a thing after school. Remember, it's at 4.30, don't be late, okay? 4.30, and then you gotta zoom over from here, and go to the, it's like, your day is so occupied, but it makes you more disciplined. It makes you more disciplined, and it makes you feel more productive.

Like, it's weird, like even going out and like say having some drinks or whatever waking up and feeling kind of shitty Mm-hmm without like the kid. I kind of feel guilty by halfway through the day I'm like what was I doing? Fuck that go out partying anything but when I'm like up at 7 and I'm fucking tired I'm hungover and I'm with my wife taking care of the baby by 12. I'm like I'm a good fucking parent. Like, I feel like this, I feel like a positive sensation in the place of this, like, guilt-ridden one that I would used to feel maybe. And I think it's that immediate productivity, that purpose.

There's this human being you love more than anything that is, like, deeply relying on you. Yeah. And, yeah, I feel, I don't know. It's also the kind of love you have with them. It's just indescribable. How old were you when you had your first? 40. Yeah, so I'm 41, so I was, yeah, it's the same thing.

It's, yeah, it's every cliche. It's amazing you spend all this time as a comedian, like thinking of unique or different angles, and then you're presented with your child and every feeling you have is the most cliched feeling that everybody's ever described in having a child. Yeah, and then you don't mind when babies are crying on airplanes anymore.

Dude, it completely changes everything. It is adorable when they're crying on the airplane. You almost wanna help the mom. Isn't that crazy how when you're a young man, you're like, oh my god, a baby's crying. You look for something to cover your ears with. That's also a big city thing. I feel like places that-

Like country places where they're so used to- Where there's family dynamics and that's rewarded. I grew up in the city where it just wasn't that rewarded. It's a rare thing to even be a kid in the city where it just wasn't that rewarded. And it's like a rare thing to even like be a kid in the city. Well, especially you be your kid in the city. And then you go from that to being a standup comedian. So you're a nighttime nightclub guy. Like the whole baby crying, like, oh Jesus.

It's like, whoa, some bad decision making going on over there. Yeah. But it is, I wish that, I would like us to change that a bit. I think that's the thing that's kind of missing in like this masculinity movement, is fatherhood. Like I hear a lot of guys talking about- Is there a masculinity movement going on?

Apparently on these pods that we do. Is that what it is? We're the Manosphere, dude. This is where fucking men hang out. I don't think they consider us the Manosphere, honestly. I think the Manosphere's like those pickup artist type dudes. But that's the thing, none of those guys have kids, or they talk about what it is to be a man,

and it's like, buddy, you're missing out on the most important part of the entire process. I want to hear the guys who have a bunch of kids telling me what it is to be a man. To me, that's way more valuable. And I feel like they're missing out on like the defining moment in a man's life Even bitches have alpha bitches. There's like a leader of the bitches. Oh, that's fire You know, so yeah, they're they're a leader of a movement Yeah, what kind of movement you leading bro? Yeah kind of movement you leading. Yeah, it's it is Yeah, you go to an island full of bitches and you could become there's gonna be somebody there

Just find out who that head bitch is. Yeah Yeah Yeah, those bitches are probably easier to lead. Oh, yeah for sure. They've been that bitch has been leading them. Yeah It's like I saw one CNN after the election they were talking about us is specific And they were talking about how there is this network of Podcasts that are interconnected that has been financed like this this huge corporate finance

Network of black rifle coffee No, it's actually just a bunch of friends you fucking idiots We just happen to do each other's podcast, but they're like trying to sort it out, bro It's like they support each other they go on each other's shows, and they're all in this together Well, we need that on the left like good luck Yeah, that's cancel each other if your fucking Ukraine flag is too small. Yeah Yeah, that's cancel each other if your fucking Ukraine flag is too small. Yeah Six by six, yeah, you fucking talk shit about each other for not having trans kids

Yeah, you guys are out of your mind. You're not gonna you're not gonna sink up together. You're you're in a suicide cult Yeah, I think that was The results of the election. I don't think that they would like to believe this, but it was a rejection of what was happening. I think the assumption is everybody just loves Trump and he's just this populist and every person that voted for him is like, I just love everything about this guy. But I actually think that a lot of people were just like, I don't like what's happening now and this current administration is saying that they don't want to change much that's happening now. So I'm voting against that lack of change.

And I think it's important for them to realize that. I talk about this a lot, especially with Charlo on the pod and it's just like, you have to be reflective of what the people are telling you. Like when that, the Mangione thing happened and the reaction by the people was to laugh at it, and they were kind of like, But you gotta look at that, and you gotta pay very close attention

to what people are feeling. Don't tell them what they should feel, and you know better, and oh, we have to lead them to the water, because they're too stupid to know how to find it. No, no, no. They are disillusioned by the medical system. And if you don't meet them there,

you're never gonna win. Ever. Yeah. And I feel like that meet them there, you're never gonna win, ever. And I feel like that's, at least from talking to Trump, that was something that I got from him is like, it doesn't seem like it when you see him on the news and shit, but he's like an acute listener. Like he listens to what people are saying. And he listens more importantly to what they're feeling.

And he can tap into those feelings. And I think that that's what people who have had a lot of success in politics were able to do. Barack did it, Bill Clinton did it, probably maybe the best, Bill might have been the best. His ability to communicate to people what they were feeling. I know you feel pain.

I do feel pain, Bill. I'm here for you. You are? I am. I would love that. You know, it was. I'm gonna be your leader You are? I am. I would love that. You know, it was- I'm gonna be your leader. Yeah, it was-

Yeah, it's- You need to listen. Well, I think what Trump's done that's really brilliant is bringing people like Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Cash Patel, like bring in those people and you're like, you kind of really do get a chance to change things like legitimately change. But think about that decision right it's like those

people are all echoing sentiments that the majority of Americans feel. We do not trust the food. Here's the guy who says the food is bad. Right. Maybe we should put them in control of the food. Kind of like a simple thing. Yeah instead of going well This guy is the food doctor and we're gonna hire the food doctor because he knows what food is good for you And you guys should just shut up and listen and I feel like there's a lot of this like top-down on The left and I'm not trying to just like bag on the left I don't care really about that. Like I don't even care about the politics I care more about like where where the cultural liquidity is.

And it's like, you can't talk down to people. There's this Ivy League pretentiousness in the Democratic Party, I feel, where they're like, we know better, and just, you must be stupid if you don't agree with us. And it's like, all right, well, I'm stupid. I'm dumb. I'm dumb then.

So why doesn't somebody meet me where I'm stupid and start at least making me feel like I'm not an asshole for the way that I You know for my I guess you could say political leanings now yeah, I feel like they need to meet and it's a very simple thing make it a class issue and I think they win and Say what you want about America But I think it's better if we have two president or two people running for president that we're stoked about and it's a really hard decision. Oh yeah, that would be wonderful. Yeah, that's not what we had.

We had one group of people that legitimately wanted to change things and then we're going to see what happens if they do. But you're seeing weird stuff today that you never see before, which is like a real adjustment to the age of the internet. One of the things you're seeing is, I don't know if you saw the 22 different Congress people who are all saying the exact same line with the word shit in it What was the line so it's like it's this speech? You know reading it verbatim they're all reading it and doing it to a microphone as if it's a rant

But they're all doing from the same script and the shit ain't right So this is the shit ain't right at the beginning of it How much when in the history of the United States? Politicians said shit and not just one but 22 of them in tapered Could you pull it up just we could see it because it's so nuts. This is think tank all together. It's just Like they have it on screens as tiles, and they're all saying the same words They have their own little flair they put on it. Yeah, look at this put your headphones on this is fucking bananas It's okay

You won't be able you can't really tell it's like a crowd But when they had three of them when it was the first first three was like it was Chuck Schumer and someone else yeah They they're saying the exact oh Elizabeth Warren and someone else yeah, they're saying the exact same words Yeah, the exact same subjects in the exact same order You guys are all reading off a script and you're trying by putting the word shit in there to be authentic Well shit ain't right to be specifically authentic. They're like we need to speak to working class people to the kids Yeah, and it is kind of like bigoted in a weird way We're like though it feels like they're almost in a think tank like, hey listen, these poor dummies, they like it when you curse.

So if you use a few curse words in your speech, they're gonna really relate to you. And it's like, no, no, no, we actually need somebody disruptive, we need somebody on the left that is, that might speak like that but authentically speaks like that and is willing to disrupt even what's happening in the left. Because if you look at like what happened with the Trump

and the movement, like he disrupted the right. The right looks very different now than it did five, 10 years ago, right? Definitely. So I want like... Like a MAGA Democrat. Yeah, like for real. And what is that, what do we at our baseline want, right?

We like abundance. Tell me how great America is going to be in your version of it. You wanna Bill Clinton. Talk that shit. Come out talking Bill Clinton. Talk that shit. Like come out talking shit. Bernie was talking shit. And I want you to come out and if Trump can say,

we're gonna take Greenland, there can be some den that goes $1 eggs and straight up says, we're gonna subsidize it. Wait, how would you do that? Subsidize it. Subsidize corn, you subsidize dairy, you subsidize everything. Like why can we not subsidize it?

But say something that's actually gonna impact people now Trump's not gonna take Greenland So maybe you don't get the one dollar eggs, but you get this messaging across that you're actually trying to help people Mm-hmm, and you're gonna have to deal with those lobbies that are bankrolling you and that might piss them the fuck off But that's the disruption we need for you for us to trust you. You know what they really should do What's that? They really should have a strategic plan if we're spending Three what is it 350 billion dollars went to Ukraine? What was the number? What are they saying? It was I don't know what the number Some insane let's say just let's just be conservative and say 200 billion Imagine if we spent 200 billion dollars in the United States in all of the crime ridden cities of the country

Just completely overhauling them. All right, so here's my concern about that. How much did they spend in California on homelessness? 24 billion. And then like nothing changed, right? No, they got worse. Oh, so awesome. They did a good job. So maybe we could spend 36 billion.

So there's also this idea that like the current administration in these places, even with an abundance of money, is not gonna make change. So you need somebody from inside, from the left to go, hey, these people are corrupt, on my team, we're gonna root out that corruption, but we are gonna take care of homelessness,

we are gonna make eggs cheaper, we are gonna build 10,000 affordable housing units so that the price of your rent can go way down. There has to to be something disruptive instead of hey, let's just go back to normal. Let's not ruffle any feathers Like let's see what you're saying. I reject the idea though that progress can't be had just because people been corrupt and they've Abused money before I feel like you could farm it off to private corporations

the same way we did with Halliburton during the Iraq War. What did they do with Halliburton? Got no bid contracts to rebuild Iraq. And they did it. They actually built all the power plants they didn't need. There was like a lot of waste and weird shit that went on over there. You could do that with the inner cities.

But you could have contracts. You're saying Halliburton did a good job? No. I'm just saying,, they actually did get paid to rebuild cities so you can get a private sector that would actually make money. It would become an industry. Instead of it being bureaucracy,

so you see what I'm saying? Instead of it being something where it's like California, they're taking the homelessness, where nothing gets done but money keeps pumping into it. No, the only way you get paid is based on results. So you have a contract with incentives based on results. Yes and that is the problem. There is no. You have to lower crime. You have to lower crime. You have to lower juvenile detention rates. You have to improve education scores. You have to make food, healthy food, far more accessible, it would be very easy to open up enormous food pantries in the inner city and finance it.

In comparison, the amount of money we spend on other countries doing transgender monkey studies, or whatever the fuck we do. The stuff they do is nuts, like $20 million to Sesame Street in Iraq, it's bananas. So, if you've got enough money for that You've got enough money to set up food banks in every fucking city. Yes, where poor people can get nutritious food Yes, just sign on have a driver's license

Whatever the fuck you need to get your food and what are the downstream effects of that like you have way less health issues Which takes down the cost of health care? Yeah, this is also people aren't desperate because you can actually always eat You know which is a real problem with some people in This country right what's this about Jamie? What are you pulling this up for they didn't do very good job apparently? Oh, well, I'm sure they probably I said they did do corruption and there was some waste Right because I was talking about these power plants. They built it didn't matter, but the point is it was a business Yeah, so you got businesses involved and they went in and they got contracts to do things. If you got contracts to re-engineer

these communities slowly over time, you'd have to do it where it didn't shock the community, but slowly over time, unfortunately you would have to ramp up the law enforcement because there's going to be resistance. If you're going to go to the south side of Chicago and try to clean it up, you got gangs in there shooting each other every weekend. You got real fucking problems. Have you, have you, um... But what's the alternative? Let that keep going on forever? No, you can't.

So you have to rip the bandaid off. Have you heard of the guy, he's the president, I think, of El Salvador? Oh, the guy who made all those camps? Yeah. I'm sure there's tons of criticism, right? 100%. But I think El Salvador has become like the safest country in Central and South America. Yeah there's no criminals, they're all in jail.

And I'm sure it's some like, there might even be like a little North Korea shit where it's like yeah you're not in the gang but like your cousin is and you hang out with him and now you're in his prison. And sure, of course. But what they've done is completely like revolutionized the country. And if you ask the other people that are not getting affiliated at all, there's this like undying support.

I think he has like a 91% support rating or whatever that is. And it's like these people feel like they got their lives back. Now I'm sure as I'm saying, there's going to be people going like, oh, it, these are civil rights violations. Yeah, yeah, you know what else is also a civil rights violation? When you're like, city is completely run by a gang

and you're terrified to let your kid leave the house. So like there is a version where having more punitive measures for people that are breaking the law will increase safety and the prosperity of the people in that region. Like in order to get investment into the South Side of Chicago, you need to make it safe first. Starbucks is an opening if it's getting broken into every fucking week.

So yeah, it's, yeah, I like that. I like one of the first things you would finance is community centers. You finance like a real great community rec center where kids if their mom's working yeah No one's there to take care of them. They got real good coaches there Yeah, they got people that can set them up maybe for potential athletic scholarships. They're talented Yes, it's great. Maybe you have people that teach you how to play music. That's where I went when I was a kid You know, I went to the Carmine Street Recreation Center That's why I played basketball and it was this beautiful place is amazing Oasis

We're like not only you getting to play friends, you know meet friends and stuff like that, but I'm getting the Branch 3 Recreation Center. That's where I played basketball. And it was this beautiful place, this amazing oasis where not only are you getting to meet friends and stuff like that, but I'm getting to compete. I'm getting to play against guys way better than me. And there are these, I mean, even as I say this right now, I'm like, I got to donate money to, like, they created this place where there was a lot of kids in those programs. They might have ended up doing some fucked up shit, man. And they had a place where they could go. There was like a safe haven yeah, and

Look at us talking like some libs on this pot. Well. I think we are liberal of course we are that's Conception of all this is that we don't want this place to be better, but there have to be certain changes I'm socially about as liberals it gets yeah, and I'm a firm believer in a social safety net, too I'm a firm believer in welfare and food stamps. I just think there's a way to address the root of the problem, which is people with no hope. And the way to do that is you gotta give them hope. You have to make it safer for them to live where they live.

You have to make it healthier for them to live where they live. And then I don't think it would cost that much to provide guidance for a bunch of kids that want guidance And if you have good solid role models that know how to do that kind of stuff Yeah, and they can all work together and build a program and then yeah What if those kids wind up being like really talented musicians or really talented athletes or whatever the fuck it is What's happening?

classes like like what's what's happening there Like I feel like you've created an environment where these guys can make enough money to survive, which is a very hard thing to do as a fledgling comedian, right? And some of these guys who are door guys, they're starting to get spots around. Even some of my guys, you know, like obviously Derek Poston, is like making real money,

right? Yeah. And learning how to flourish as a comedian instead of working 60 hours at a job and then doing comedy when he potentially can. And you hopefully get to see this artistry grow. Like I've watched Derek explode as a fucking comedian. Like this guy's so fucking funny. He's so lovable.

It's, he's so lovable. He's got a don't tell coming out, April 16th. Nice. And I've watched it, it's fucking amazing, so everybody go check that out. Nice. But that's the type of environment that I imagine that you can curate.

Now you're very benevolent, right? But you would hope that the government can create that same level of benevolence without leaking too much money? Yeah, it has to be done for the right reasons, the right way with the right people. And that was what we pulled off of the mothership because I was able to get everybody from California.

But also I knew that that was the formula because it was kind of like the heart and soul of the store. It was like the people that were the coolest people that were running things over there, bring them over here. And it was just, the whole thing was so nuts, dude. It was like the universe wanted it to happen. Every light turned green right when we got to it. Every light turned, it just, none of it makes sense on paper. If you thought about

like the idea behind dumping a ton of money in a club and your ultimate goal is to break even, who the fuck does that? And then it also you have to... But that's government, government shouldn't make money. Right. The ultimate goal should be to break even. Well your ultimate goal shouldn't be everything is a money venture make money. So the ultimate goal should be to break even. Well, your ultimate goal shouldn't be everything is a money venture. So the club is not a money venture. The club is artistic. It's like, I want it to be like a camp.

Camp for comics. Like you go there, all your buddies are there, everybody's having a good time, we're all traded. We were all last night, me and Shane Gillis were breaking down that me and Shane Gillis did bottom of the barrel last night For our oh, we're on stage for our it was the most fun. I've ever had do it. We were Crying good like tears rolling down my face crying laughing and then we're hanging out in agreement We're breaking down this bit and we're coming up with new lines. This is like a laboratory, it's a hangout. We got you know fucking Gary Clark Jr.'s playing on the stereo, everybody's vibing, we're all laughing, Woody Harrelson's hanging out with us.

We're all having such a good fucking time man. It's like that's what I wanted to build. I didn't want to build a business. I wasn't like, well if I sell drinks for X amount of money and then I charge this amount for a ticket and yeah fuck the comedians over I do the opposite I pay the comedians way more than everybody else pays and looks what happens But that's that's just to try to facilitate this artist colony I just want it to be a place where Con this is like the mothership even as a name like we came up the mothership because the first one was the asylum because Mitzi sure Like we came up with the mothership because the first one was the asylum because

Mitzi Shore God bless her. She always used to say all the inmates are running the asylum That was her thing whenever she would come to the store. She loved it that we were crazy she loved like, you know, you know Dom Barris like Jumping around backstage and everybody's laughing and Joey Diaz telling some crazy story and then Mitzi would pull up Yeah, she'd get out of her car. All the inmates are running the asylum And I was like if we're gonna branch out we should just call it the asylum You know, I like mothership the mothership was better because these first of all asylum was already taken There's like a couple of different asylum so we couldn't have asylum and then it was like

I'm so fascinated with UFOs, I'm so obsessed with that shit anyway. Mothership is like the place where we all launch from. So when we go all throughout the rest of the country, you always come back to the mothership. Yeah, there's a, like creating environments where art flourishes is, so I did kill Tony the other day and it's been a while since I've done like the whole show I came out for MSG that

was fun I was incredible we had such a good time it was great oh yeah your stupid jacket oh my god that jacket I had to have it I knew I wanted to wear a fur jacket yeah I was like I told Tony I'm like I'm getting a fur coat I have to get a fur coat

yeah I talked to you the day before you like you getting a fur coat? I have to get a fur coat. I think I talked to you the day before. You're like, are you getting a fur coat? I'm like, I got it today on the shelf. You texted me something. You're like, yeah, they're wearing this. My boy Phil found this dude who's a private shopper, and he found the spot to go. He's like one of them celebrity shopper dudes,

and he found me the spot. So, and I was on it, and I'm watching the, in the interviews, the interviews are really fun. A lot of these comics are really green, and they're going in there and trying to find something, but the, like, in the interviews. The interviews are really fun. Like, a lot of these comics are really green and they're going in there and trying to find something. But like, the interview portion, and I'm probably saying something that everybody already knows,

but when I watch Kill Turn, I'm watching it in clip form, right? So I'm seeing like these like 60 second versions. But what I thought was really interesting about the interviews is that there's a real generosity with Tony, right? He's, I don't know if even the comics realize this, like he's trying to get you to write your first good joke.

He's asking you questions where you don't have to be funny, but they are funny because you're just speaking truthfully. And it is generous. It's easy to just like, you could bang on every single one of the people that go up there. But that's not exactly what's happening. Sometimes of course people are gonna get jokes, but that's not exactly what's happening. Sometimes, of course, people are gonna get jokes. But there's this moment where you get to watch

some of these guys, hopefully they're realizing, they're like, oh, that is a kind of funny thing about me. And that's the first kernel of where they'll write their first good joke. And it's a really cool thing to witness. And yeah, there's a couple guys that went up, and there's one guy, his jokes sucked, but he had something.

I just kept watching him. And I was like, you're gonna be good. I hope you keep doing this, because you're gonna be good. And we started asking him questions, and there's this Mexican guy from San Antonio, and he works at Office Depot, and there was something funny about,

hold on, so there was something about, he's selling papers, and I was like, hold on, so like, there was something about like, you know, he's selling like papers, and it was like, hold on, so there's like a Mexican guy, like people are asking for paper, like there's just like, there's all these like, like, you know, like, like, oh my God. Like, it seems like a setup, you know what I mean? So, but it was just really cool to see it happen,

and like, it reminded me of these early stages of comedy, where you're putting together these things that you think are funny, and funny is kind of already existing in you, you know? And, um, yeah, it was just like, it was a cool aspect of the show that I'm sure the people that watch it, and this is a massively successful show,

so they're familiar. But maybe the people that don't watch it aren't, don't know about the show. They just think Tony's just roasting people. And it's, he's, he's not, it's a very generous thing to do. Yeah, it is. Well, Tony loves comedy.

And loves comedy to the point where he's always writing lines for people backstage. He's always giving people tags. And he's always talking about, did you do that bit? Like, oh, I love that bit. He's super supportive with comedy. And he loves when the guys who do his show, like William Montgomery. when they start to flourish

They start killing it on the road. He loves that he fucking he he's actually put together a tour now the killers of kill Tony I've seen it and they're doing like fucking theaters. Yeah, yeah, and they're killing these guys are good man Ari Matty is fucking I was talking to him yesterday man. He's fucking smart. He's funny. He's super ambitious He's great. He wants to be an American so bad. He's a fun hang He's got his perspective on so like Yeah, he's always an MMA fighter. I remember seeing like three times Wow Wow Wow. He's a big guy, too Yeah, yeah, but like yeah, I remember like he even had a joke yesterday I mean whatever it will come out

But like it was funny like he tapped into something at the end of the bit that he did when he does the minute. And then in the interview, it really became the thing. Do you know? Because what you get to watch is, he's a veteran comic. He's probably been doing it 10 or 12 years. So you get into real comedian mode around 10. And you got to witness live what we do backstage, which is like, I like that idea.

Why did you do this? And he said a line at the end of when we're just doing the interview that I think is gonna be what this joke builds out into. I don't wanna give it away. Obviously people are gonna watch it. But to me, like that part of the process is so fun. And it is, I don't know if people know this about us,

it is really fun to work on someone else's bit. There's almost more freedom because you're less attached to it. If you have something and you're telling me the idea, I'm not, you're attached like a direction for it, and I'm just coming from all these other places, and if my tag bombs, it doesn't matter, you're the one going to do it.

But it is this exciting thing when you have a Colonel. And yeah, this moment happened with it. And you can even see him go, oh shit, that's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the next level of it. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, they emerge, right? The new chapters in your bits,

your new paragraphs, they emerge. It's the best. And for me, it's like, I need to talk to get it out. I'm not like a sit at home and like, I write the best. And for me, it's like, I need to talk to get it out. I'm not like a sit at home and I write the ideas. I need to be like, I got this idea, and what do you think about this? And then you have to give me pushback on it. And then confronting that pushback is where the bit develops for me.

Right, right, right. And that's the beauty of the audience not laughing. Well, that's why you like New York City. When you moved to Miami, you were like, it's why you like New York City when you move to Miami You're like, it's too nice. It was like life was beautiful Everybody was caring about family and everything and it was just so comfortable and I was like I didn't have any like resistance I need so funny like I'm using that chaos. I need the opposite. What do you mean your whole life is resistance? Yeah, I don't like the ice with people

I don't I don't want to deal with people's bullshit. I got my own bullshit to deal with. That's my ice bath. Yeah, there it is. You just want to get out there and grind it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do 30 minutes on the sixth ring. Right.

Bro, we better have a bulletproof vest. Yeah, yeah, the, anyway, to what you were saying about, like, hope, it is interesting, and I see, like, I see that for comics, especially here. it is interesting and I see like, I see that for comics, especially here, there's this idea of like getting on the show and seeing a pathway to success. It's a real pathway. It's a real pathway to a career.

And you've seen many, many, many people go through it, like Cam Patterson, David Lucas, these guys all have careers now. Yeah, he had a funny bit too, like. Cam's funny, man. Yeah. He's funny. I think there's a little bit of a hindrance in that one minute a week because it's like You spent so much time working on that one minute that maybe you don't spend enough time tightening up

So that's what I asked or whatever you have when you're on the road I was like what you give this minute out and it goes out to the whole comedy world. Mm-hmm, and I Was asking Ari. I was like, can you still do those bits? Because some of these aren't finished. They're just the fucking beginning of it. Right, right. Don't let those go. Right, build on them.

As long as you're building on them, as long as you got more to it and it's better now, I think people will want it. I think also there's this understanding that those guys are on the come up and they're putting it all together and I think there's a certain amount of times you do it where you got to eventually leave I say that but then there's William Montgomery who does it every fucking week Yeah, Williams got this style that even if his jokes suck. It's funny because it's even because he gets angry

Yeah, he gets angry at himself. He gets angry at the crowd and then he gets funny bro Have you been seeing Brian Holtzman lately? No, no, no, no. Oh, my God. He's the sweetest guy, by the way. Shut up, Brian, man. He is so different than his onstage monster, the onstage Brian Holtzman. He needs a name and a different thing.

It's like there's a different human that comes out when he's onstage. You would think that he's a complete psychopath in real life. And he's just the kindest, sweetest guy. He's wonderful. I love him to death. He's all hugs and joy and smiles

and he's always helping people into a detriment. Like one of the things about his show is we've had to like stop some of the people that he allows open for him. Cause it's people that haven't done comedy in forever and still know him. Like you think I could do a set? Sure, come on by.

And then they eat dick for 10 minutes and the crowd gets tortured. So Adam had to put the brakes on that. But he himself is on fire. On... Shane and I were crying laughing watching his set last night. I mean crying laughing. Shane's so funny. He had the aux cord last night at Bitsy's.

And, like, I didn't know who was putting on the music because it was just this, like, random collection of music. Shane's so funny. He had the aux cord last night at Bitsy's, and I didn't know who was putting on the music because it was just this random collection of music. And then this Fetty Wop song comes on, right? And, I want you to be mine again, baby. And I look over at the bar, and I just see him kind of mouthing it.

I want you to be mine. This motherfucker got the aux! Ah, that's hilarious. He was locked in. And I just see him kind of mouth in it That's hilarious he's locked in bro. Yeah, we all have good green room soundtracks. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we that's a big thing Yeah, I don't think anybody would guess your green room music like if they walked into your green room and they heard the music playing There's nobody that would go. yeah Joe picked this song nobody it might be one or two songs that pop up 90s like deep cut rap yeah like deep like KRS one or something like right right cool G rap in the brand new yeah yeah I remember the first time I came down here and it was like blasting and I was like yo who the fuck like I'm looking around like nobody's old enough to even know cool G rap in this in this green room, and I should see you like

Yeah, man that threat with brand-new heavies is my favorite before I go on stage song I don't know So the brand-new heavies and I found out about this song I teared up when I was talking about Mitzi earlier Oh, I will teary what were you thinking? Oh, just just her What was it just her saying? You know all the inmates run the asylum it just makes me cry why just that lady was like all the shit that I do

At the club like I learned how to do it from her Yeah, like you learn how to like facilitate comedy like to help comedy grow. I learned it all from her Yeah, all of it. It's kind of cool how people exist through us You know like obviously she's passed, but that's why the bars named Mitzi. Yeah, but the effects live on I want to name the whole club mitzi's if I didn't want to get sued by the family But no, they let me actually use the name for the bar Yeah, but and we have a picture picture of Mitzi in the bar to what was your guys relationship like? Well, I mean she was still lucid when I met her, you know, I met her in 94 and she was like super supportive

She's just like, you know She just knew what to do man Like she knew how to set you up and if she liked you she would put you on after murderers Yeah, I had to follow Martin Lawrence in the main room Like fucking weeks and weeks at a time if Martin Lawrence was gonna headline I was gonna go on after What is the year? 94 95 okay, so you gotta understand Martin Lawrence people forgot Martin Lawrence. Let me tell you right now go watch you so crazy Martin Lawrence go watch Def Comedy Jam the greatest host of Def Comedy Jam

Yes, his timing but his performance is when it's his hour his timing his Energy infectious. Oh, he was so good. He was so good, and I used to eat Going on after him every night and Mitzi no matter who was there dice clay Rogan. You're on after dice It's like whoever the fuck it is. I'm going on after him She just knew how to throw you to the wolves man She knew how to like show you that your act is bullshit There's a there's a couple guys like a tell did that for me in in New York like I would close the late show at the cellar and

Attell will go up and then I would go up after him and like that shit will turn you Into a man. Yeah humble you it you. You just realize when somebody's operating on every single cylinder firing and you get up after it and you're like, oh wow, I'm missing somebody. He has something that I don't have and I need to find that shit. When you're going up in the cushy spot second or third

and you're killing, you think you're the funniest in the world and then when you follow somebody that levels the room and the whole room is kind of unsure if he's just inventing these things in the moment moment if these are bits like they just get caught up in this like tornado of creativity and You got to follow it in that shit following him following Mike Britt following Greer like following these guys They're just just like masters Yeah, it just turns you into a man That's why I started taking Joey on the road with me, because I couldn't follow him. Really?

Yeah. Yeah, you love hard shit. You fucking love making your life difficult. It's not even making your life difficult, it's realizing you're not as good as you're ever gonna get at this. You have to get better. How do you get better?

You have to be challenged. How do you get challenged? Know that you're gonna follow Joey Diaz every night, three nights in a row, two shows on Friday, two shows on Saturdays. This is, I feel like this is something that There's a lot of importance this I don't know if comedians are doing this all the time But like your openers that you take on the road with you like they should really be pressing you

They should set the tone of the show and they're gonna set the expectation of the show I think sometimes people want to save the day That's weak. That's that same bitch-ass feeling like I hope the guy after me bombs. Yeah. That's the same bitch-ass feeling. Yeah. I want the audience to have a great fucking time. Yeah. So I want everybody to kill. I love when I get the message like or like tagged in a post on Instagram and it was like all three of them were fucking great. Yeah. And also like I understand what it means probably for them because I've been in maybe that situation where you're like, holy shit, like,

yeah, they're bringing me up with the show? Right, right, right. And they're in a tougher spot than me. You know, Derek going up hosting, people are walking into an arena. So to kill that, to like command attention while people are walking down an aisle. Derek's a perfect guy for some fun,

because he's got so much energy, and he's so good at fucking around. And just creating an energy of fun. And Mark, too, is just fucking crushing. And seeing them go up there and really lay in, hearing it before I go up. That's the fun thing. I'll be locked in my room, but then when I come out

a few minutes before, just hearing them light up. Yeah, you gotta take strong eyes, man. Yeah, and the people have the weird fear of being eclipsed. That's the thing. It's fear of being eclipsed while you're opening act, but... You'll get better. Get better. Just get better. You're good. Like, you're headlining.

Like, you're clearly good at this, and it's gonna make you better when these guys bust your fucking ass sometimes. Yeah, maybe you're not working as hard as you should be working. Maybe you're not at your best. And nothing will make you work hard than being embarrassed.

Right. Also, I don't know how you operate, but for me, I'm funnier if I'm having fun. So if I'm hanging out with Ari and Duncan and Joey and we're all doing a show together, we are laughing our fucking ass off. And that comes out on stage and you're loose and you're ready to get goofy.

And I'm laughing at Joey before I even go on stage. I'm sitting there laughing at his act before I get up there. So I go up there, I'm already in a great fucking mood. And the audience feels like they didn't get robbed. You didn't throw some scrub up there for 20 minutes just to fill time so you can look like a superhero. Yeah, it's like they're paying money, man. I keep thinking about that.

All these people that come out to a show, it's not just the ticket price. It's the babysitter. It's everything. It's the Uber. It's the dinner. This is an expensive fucking night for them. And they're looking forward to it.

You might only get one date night a week, especially if you have family. Bro, I was in, not Seattle, like what's the other one in Washington? It's not Tacoma something more inland Forget there's a comedy club out there Spokane Spokane This is years ago, and I did a show and like a couple came up afterwards and they were like this is our first night out in eight years whoa and I

Think about that every single time before I'm on stage. That's a good thing to think about. That's a good thing to think about. Yeah. Like those people that are like really, but you don't take things for granted anyway. You know, some, some people get a little sloppy. You get a little loose and you take things for granted. No, man.

We were talking about that on stage or in the green room the other night. Woody was backstage like, you guys get nervous? I'm like I get nervous for every show if I don't get nervous. I don't do as good I Get nervous I get nervous for everything important. Yeah, and every show is important Yeah, like it's not important like my life depends on it, but it's important like it's important to me Yeah, it's important to the audience like I want to do it right Yeah, so I want to figure out what I'm working on I want to sit up I'm like I gotta be loose with this because this is this thing still in development

Yeah, let's fuck around with that a little bit But we're gonna bring it back with this and I'm going over my phone when I'm sitting back there before I go up there I'm ready. Yeah, you care if you don't do that. I don't think you ever you achieve what you're trying to achieve Yeah, I feel like sometimes people like I don't know if they pretend to not care or maybe like they think not caring is cool Yeah, that's what they think not caring is cool. Yeah, that's what it is. Caring is cool. I really care and I work really hard

and I think that you should work really hard. I wanna make really great stuff I'm proud of and I don't wanna just be like, oh, it's fucking gay to care. It's like, no, it's not gay to care. It's not gay to have people come out and spend a lot of money and then you just fucking flop on stage

and don't give a fuck. It's cool to try to give them the best possible show. You know? That's cool. That's cool. Yeah. It's just, there's a thing because you do care so you try to pretend you don't

because the cooler people don't care. The cooler people could just bomb. I remember I watched Bill Hicks bomb once and I was so goddamn impressed. I was so impressed. First of all, he was very funny. But the stuff that he was talking about was so out there. He went on, there was this comedian, very nice guy,

who went on before Bill Hicks. His thing was Comic on a Harley. That was his name, like his thing. I forget it. Larry something, Comic on a Harley. Nice guy, funny guy. But he did like a lot of stuff about like Bugs Bunny smoking weed like real simple stuff like but it like made people laugh Cops and doughnuts like like cliche shit

Yeah, but good like and and killed and like just good enough for this blue-collar crowd at Nick's comedy stop yeah, and then Bill Hicks goes on stage and he's smoking a cigarette and he's talking about I came here to Fill you up with ideas you couldn't possibly imagine on your own And then how did the Boston crowd take that they didn't take it good at all he didn't just bomb he cleared the room Yeah, and he was doing this bit where? Satan has sex with John Davidson who was the host of that's incredible like Satan is fucking John Davidson and then

Impregnates him and then he shits out. I forget who he shits out. It like different people at different time, but he's like he's sitting on a toilet on stage pretending. He's sitting on a toilet grunting like And then he looks up at the middle people are getting up and droves. Oh, yeah, it's generally clears a room Like it's right back to it, but I mean it never lost his timing Never lost his composure And it wasn't that it wasn't funny It was me and fitzsimmons were in the back of the room me and fitzsimmons were Greg from back in Boston Greg and I started a week apart from each other get out of here. We've been friends since we were like I was 21

I think he was 22 or 23. Yeah Yeah, we've been friends from the very very beginning. Yeah So Greg and I were both open micers at the time And we just knew that Hicks was coming we wanted to watch and we sat in the back of the room we were fucking Crying crying laughing so there was like 50 people left 10 comics 40 savages I just thought this guy was genius. Yeah, and then the other 200 plus people they all left They all left 200 is crazy to leave bro It was a it was a bloodbath like half the crowd more than half the crowd left Yeah, yeah, it was like three quarters of the crowd. That's a large percentage. It was a large percentage

It wasn't much left, but Fitzsimmons, and I fondly talk about that day like he never lost his cool. He almost like He'll I don't know when he knew he had pancreatic cancer, because he died a few years later, but he kind of seemed like a guy that whatever the fear of bombing and whatever this thing of failure, that wasn't on his mind. It didn't bother him. Yeah, when you have limited time, that's not- I wonder if that's what it was. I don't know if he knew already,

but he was so calm up there. Yeah. You know? But funny. Very funny. But just, he changed the way people wanted to do comedy, because everybody after that wanted to be profound. Yes.

Nobody wanted to be profound before that. Yeah. They just wanted to get big laughs. Yeah. Then all of a sudden, everybody wanted to be profound. Yeah. You know? It get big laughs. Then all of a sudden everybody wanted to be profound. It was interesting. He became this poet. You see trends like that pop up.

Stylistically people are so influential that it changes the way people do their comedy. And it's tricky because you can only be great at the thing you do. That's how I feel, Elise, about it. If you are profound, then profound comedy is popular, then you will be really good at it. But if you're a silly goose,

Right. It's not worth trying to be profound. Right, right, right. Because you being silly is gonna be the best version of you, and the people will appreciate that the most. Also, you can't trick people. They know.

Even if they're not aware of it, they know. They know something's off. Yeah. Something's off. That's the honesty in it. Yeah. There's brutal honesty in it. Like, sometimes they'll even laugh,

but they know that you're lying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like, they know that it's not real. Like, it exists for maybe 10, 15 minutes, but like, I think it kinda gets exposed once you get into those hour-long sets Mm-hmm it can for sure you gotta be you gotta be who you are right? Yeah, it has to has to gel together with you

You have to be into what you're doing if you're not into what you're doing You can't say the same words with the same inflection without the same mindset like if your mindset is off They fucking know man. It doesn't matter what your timing is. They know, they know you're not locked in. So they're not locked in. Like how come you didn't bring me in? You know? Like when someone's, like last night when Holtzman

was killing and me and Shane were laughing, we were locked into whatever this psychopath was talking about, he was talking about drowning people. And I was like, he's so out of his fucking mind. It was so funny. It was so funny. It was so funny. But you give him that. You let him take your mind for a ride.

If it's real to them. I think that's the thing about Joey that I've always admired is like, it's pure, it's authentic. Like you can kind of get away with whatever you want if it's pure. And when we know you're faking and you're doing something

that makes me feel uncomfortable, now I'm double uncomfortable. I can be uncomfortable if it's real to you. I can sustain that. Like you might be talking about some shit that makes me feel a little weird, but it's real to you. So I go, okay, I'm gonna rock with you on this. This is a pure version of your art.

But yeah, you don't wanna lie to people, man. Yeah, also if you do it, then you're stuck now. That's how you do art. Yeah a lot of people Yeah, you're always trying to like concoct some new fucking weird version of yourself What's what's what what's gonna sell more you're a pop music star now? What do you do like what he's that's what you're like you're a pop music star now? Like what do you do? Like what do you, that's what you're like, you like doing pop music comedy.

But there are people that like get attached to what works. Yeah. And then they can't run away, they're like scared to run away from it. And I kind of have empathy for it because it's like you probably struggle for so long, you find something that works and you're like, okay, finally I'm able to make some money,

finally I'm able to have some security. But you've gotta keep growing past it. I think generally those people are self-obsessed to in a bad way, where they think about themselves and success rather than the thing they're doing. Like what is the thing I'm doing? The thing I'm doing is I'm trying to create something that's good, that works.

I'm trying to make it the best version of whatever fuck it is. So how do I do that? You can't be thinking about yourself and do that. That's why thieves can't write. Yeah. Because the mentality being a thief is, I want that idea for myself.

Yeah. It's not like how does it- I wanna create. You're not addictive to creating. Right. Which is like the coolest part about this. Yes. We get to create whatever the fuck we want.

And if you get to a point, like luckily, where you get a couple bucks in the bank, those creations should be even more specific to you. Right, because you're not doing it so you can buy another house, right? Like you're doing it because you truly spent 20 years of your life trying to get good at something, and then you can create whatever the fuck you want.

And also those new things, those new things that pop out, they feel like gifts from the universe. Like a new bit that's a banger, It's like, where did this come from? This came from the universe. That shit exists before you. That's what I always try to say. Like comedy is there, and then we stumble. You gotta find it.

Yes. You gotta find it. You're not making it. And when you're making it, it feels too contrived. But the comedy exists. Bro, I gotta pee so bad. Let's do a little pee. Let's pause real quick.

We'll be right back and pee. Are we back in? Yeah, we're back, dog. We're back. Yeah right back and pee. Are we back in? Yeah, we're back dog. We're back. Yeah Commies great Comedy is the best job on earth for us for us, you know Yeah, I was trying to talk Woody into doing it last night I mean because he was thinking about it because apparently he had I said I will 100% help you he goes

Would you really I go 100% I go if you want to do comedy. I'll get you time Would you really, I go 100%. I go, if you wanna do comedy, I'll get you time, I'll work with you on material, I'll get guys to help you. I'll work with you. Look, you could totally do it. I mean, you could do that monologue on SNL, you could do stand up. You could do stand up.

Brave for that monologue. Yeah. Brave guy. Yeah. Because he has a lot to lose, perception-wise. Maybe he doesn't care. But that's where bravery comes in. When you got nothing to lose, it's like,

yeah, you can kind of say whatever the fuck you want. It doesn't really matter. He's kind of grandfathered in. Oh, really? He's Woody Harrelson. But you don't think it could affect him at all? Yeah, it could, but I don't think anymore. I think the world's kind of woken up

the fact that, first of all, he's accurate. You really can't attack what he's saying. Yeah, yeah. You don't think he should be saying it Yeah, well, that's kind of debatable. Yeah, that's on you Yeah, I think you can say whatever the fuck he wants in that regard. Yeah, you know, yeah, cuz it's like at this point It's like who doesn't think he's accurate. Yeah, like you're in denial if you don't think he's accurate This is a problem that Democrats have right now

What's that is that the Trump administration what they're uncovering with doge like all this waste and fraud and abuse? Whatever whatever you want to categorize it as and I'm sure there's a bunch of things that fall into different categories Yeah, but the the Democrats aren't acknowledging that it's a problem at all Well, they're not saying when you find this building in San Antonio that they spent two billion dollars on it It's completely empty and it's getting you know A million dollars a month or whatever the fuck it's getting and where's that money going? Yeah, the tricky thing about this the doge thing is like Like there I don't think there's any American out there that is

supportive of waste fraud and corruption It should be a bipartisan issue, right? Right. Like, it's a very easy thing to get on board with. Right. And this is where I feel like, I feel like Elon's being a little antagonistic. I have a lot of respect for Elon, don't get me wrong,

but like, it's becoming easier to be a bipartisan issue in the way that it's communicated. Whereas like, having that like, political decorum, like having that like political decorum Like having that ability to pull everybody into this thing might be a little bit more effective on an issue that we can all get behind There's no American that wants waste fraud and corruption. I hate that this is becoming bipartisan It drives me fucking crazy because on the surface nobody wants the waste Right like both Democrats should be, this shouldn't be, they shouldn't be booing or whatever the fuck was happening

at that like hearing last night, even hearing he was like addressing the Senate. Right. This shouldn't be. State of the Union. It should be everybody going, hey, we agree, this is fucked up. This is happening in some of our regions or whatever it is, like where you're responsible for those constituents.

What's that called? Your, if you're a congressman, your district. We need to be better about this. We need to fix this. We gotta take this on the chin and we agree. And it can be this great revolution in America that could really support everybody. And it's become this fucking bipartisan issue.

I understand there's like a lot of currency and like making the opposition look radioactive. I get that. But this is where you wish that there was like this some sort of masterful communication version of this instead of a little bit more of like this like putting the knife in and twisting a little mm-hmm yeah no I agree I agree on both sides I think people are really foolish spending all their time just attacking the ideas of the other party instead of promoting really good ideas of your own.

Amen. The thing about this whole Doge thing is it's such a lightning rod. One of the reasons why it's such a lightning rod is because these politicians are being pressured to try to keep a lot of the spending. Because a lot of the spending is, it's all shenanigans. It's moving around thousands of different NGOs and you're talking about billions and billions and billions of dollars that we're going somewhere. So people were profiting, people had jobs and they want to keep all

those jobs. They want to keep that money flowing in even the bullshit money as much as they can. So there's fucking court orders and there's lawsuits and this Supreme Court just stopped a 1.9 billion dollar freeze on something or something that just came up it was today. So there's like legal battles about all this stuff. You're going to have a lot of confusion in that regard but I think it's important one of the things they're doing is they're highlighting the ridiculous things like they're highlighting the 250 million dollars on a transgender animal studies yeah 4.7 trillion that they can't account for the way that he was saying it did you watch it I mean it's hilarious oh you gotta watch them talk about it it's I'm sure

it's amazing and I will I will watch I just didn't have I was busy last night but it's like there's there's also a way to really clearly express to people that there's legitimate use for aid. And this isn't really US aid, it's United States Agency for International Development. If you're worried about foreign aid, I fully, completely agree, we should spend money in third world countries building wells.

We should spend money trying to get food to poor people. And that's not what this program is designed to do. Right, that's not what this is about. And if it's about like, this is exercising self power. Healthcare for people and providing free clinics for people in impoverished areas, yeah, we should spend on that.

But also, that's not where this money's going. A lot of this is regime overthrowing money. This is regime change money. A lot of this is like money that's being propped up. They're sending money to the Taliban every fucking week. Like this is crazy. Like you have to understand what this really is. So what we have to do, I think as Americans is look, you got a president. He's your president whether you like it or not. That's your president for four years. Let's hope he does a great job. Wouldn't you want him to do a great job? He's the captain of the ship, but I want to hit the rocks.

Let's hope he gets us into a beautiful harbor. Absolutely. So together, that doesn't mean the Democrats can't win in four years, but you can't win doing this. You can't win all saying, this shit ain't right. And then all of you say the exact same thing. Well, now I know who's on the take. Now I know who's got the script. Now I know who's got the script.

Now I know who doesn't have a fucking mind of their own. You have to read the script that whatever corporate daddy filed onto your desk. It's think tank politics. They need a real leader. And those real leaders are all pussyhounds. And they're all going to, that's the problem. They all got skeletons.

Yeah, it's got to come from outside. Or they got to be a guy like Trump who can take the hits. And keep on trucking. You need to have a very strong constitution to do that. I don't understand his constitution. What do you mean? You go through the same shit. Yeah, but his is beyond... They shot him, dude. Yeah, they haven't shot you yet.

Not only did they shoot him Inside that's the problem. That's part of the problem. Yeah, but not only do they shoot him But people forgot about it in two weeks. Yeah, and Right along he didn't get shot enough to this like people were talking about his ear They're like, oh, but it doesn't look that shot and it's like there's so many people that think that he rigged it that he did It on purpose that he staged it. Yeah, he staged like a bullet coming making his ear like they don't understand accuracy Come on, especially with iron sights. You know you didn't even have a scope on the rifle So I do you know what iron sights are okay? So like say if you have a pistol yeah in the back of the pistol where the handle is yeah

There's the little thing that you're supposed to look through yeah, and there's a little post Yeah, right, and you line the two of them up like that yeah, and shooting 140 yards with iron sights Yeah, you can't just nick someone's ear. Yeah, you'll hit their fucking head. You blow their brains out Accidentally how much you have to account for gravity at that distance you don't you know that's really short There's really short. That's a short distance. That's why you can put the post on it. If you wanted to go long distance, then you would want a scope.

You want a high powered scope, and you would also use ballistic software. So ballistic software is like, you would apply, there's like a watch that has it built in actually, the Garmin Tactics X. Tactics 8 rather. Shout out Garmin. So you would take this ballistic software, you calculate the distance, so you would use a range finder, which he had by the way, he had a fucking range,

he was walking around with a range finder before the, they saw him with a range finder, they didn't even arrest him. Somebody let him on that roof, they fucking gave him that gun, that's what I think. The range finder would say, oh, 500 yards. So then you would set your sight for 500 yards. And then it adjusts accordingly when you're looking.

So your application with some scopes, you can actually sync up your scope with your app. So it'll put the reticle, it'll put the crosshairs exactly where you need to aim. For the bullet to drop. Exactly, exactly. That makes sense. So the reticle, the X would move up and down.

Accordingly, yeah. Exactly. But at that distance, you're saying that there isn't too much drop. No, and he's also elevated. It's a straight shot. It's a pretty, I mean, maybe a very slight drop, because it's only like a millisecond before it hits him. It's a pretty pre-fitting. I mean maybe a very slight drop because it's only like a

Millisecond yeah, it hits them is a very slight drop at that But when you get to like significant distances like 400 yards 500 yards, it's a factor Yeah, like you hold high like say if you have So if you're zeroed say if I'm shooting a deer and my rifle zeroed at a hundred yards That means at a hundred yards it shoots exactly where that crosshairs is But but the deer is 300 yards. I'll hold it at the top of his back Because you know that's gonna come down. I know it's gonna drop. This is with bows or this is with a rifle And then with bows I imagine it's even more with bows It's you have to be very very sure because there's so much drop. There's so much drop. Yeah.

Yeah, there's so much drop. Like I have a range finder, it's not just a range finder, it's called a full draw, it's a loop hold full draw five. And what it does is it doesn't just put the reticle and tell me the exact distance. Since I'm not aiming with this,

this is just giving me the distance, but it also shows me a line where the peak of the arrow height is because the arrow arcs right yeah So what I'm doing is I'm shooting through trees sometimes like I'm trying to shoot an animal And I'm shooting through a gap in the trees so you have to make sure that on the drop it passes through that gap in the tree exactly There's a video of me hunting with Cam, we were hunting in Utah.

And it was for Under Armour, back when he was with Under Armour. And I had to shoot this elk through trees. I shot it through, like it's a video, you can see the arrow go, choo choo choo choo choo choo choo, right through this hole. It's probably one of the most beautiful shots I've ever made yeah and I made it on camera because I was kind of freaking

out I got a hunt on camera like hunting is a big thing for a celebrity to be doing your hunting yeah but you're also gonna hunt on camera and you're on camera with a bow and arrow yeah so I was like super locked in and it was just it was perfect it was just magical how that arrow went right through this gap yeah just thread the needle and right in the heart. It was perfect. It was perfect shot. Like exactly where you're wrong. Right behind the shoulder, right up here. It was like double lungs in the top of the heart. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. And then you got to carry that bitch. Yeah. Well, you got to chop it up first.

You're not carrying it. That's the thing. That's the thing that like I never accounted for. I was watching, I don't know if it was some video you posted or maybe it up first, you're not carrying it. It's too big. That's the thing that I never accounted for. I was watching, I don't know if it was some video you posted or maybe it was Cam, but I always thought about the hunting part. Okay, let's find it, let's track it, let's shoot it. But I never thought about getting home with all the meat. Oh yeah, man.

That seems so brutal. It's very hard. What we do is way easier than what some guys do. Some guys do public land, solo, backpack, elk hunting. So they're throwing the shit in the backpack. They have a pack, so they'll take like a pack like, great pack is like Exo Mountain Gear, so a great company that makes packs. And they have different frames based on your height.

It's all made so you can carry a lot of weight on your body a lot of it sits on your hips Yeah, and it's all like like this place is the way yeah Geniusly and if you pull up like XO mountain gear Backpacks like they have specific packs that are designed so you can carry a hundred pounds on your back right like as comfortably as you can But it's fucking brutal Yeah, so these guys might hike in yeah. I'm not no bulls. I was right So that's what it looks like see all these packs So get the picture of those guys when they have it on their back Jamie the one above that yeah that one right there So that's what it would look like for two dudes who are carrying their whole camp on their back

So they probably have their tent in there. They have their sleeping bag in there They have food in there for a week like you got freeze-dried food generally speaking guys bring like mount like yeah There's a bunch of different meals like Mountain Ops Or not that not Mountain Ops like there's a bunch of different companies So like this is a guy like carrying an L quarter on his back Yeah A bunch of different companies tell so like this is a guy like carrying the L quarter on his back Yeah, that motherfucker probably has a hundred pounds on his back right now because he has his bag and his pack Which is probably 50 pounds and they has a giant ass elk leg on his back All right

So is there ever like a distance that they deem too far because walking back with the elk it wouldn't be worth it So like I imagine you're tracking for a while It's not like you just walk in and there are all the Elks right you have To find them yeah, but you get lucky and find them a couple miles in that's that's pretty nice But is there a point where you go? I'm not going more than five because five back carrying the elk would be too difficult Yeah, some guys do that, but some guys are hard fucking horrible They'll kill an elk 25 miles in and spend three days bringing it back so and now you have elk carcass Mm-hmm you have elk carcass.

You have all the other animals that also you string it up. You string it up and it's got it. So getting it. It's like, oh, what is that old man in the sea? Is that the book where like he gets the he finally hunts and gets this big fit fish, but he's got to bring it back. And by the time he brings it back, it's just like a skeleton. Nobody believes he got this amazing big fish. But like I get it like you don't ever think about the journey back.

That seems almost more stressful. Well, the best way to do it, the back country, if you have the money, is horses. They have horses take you back there. And the horses will pack, or mules. Yeah, so you can pack them up with you. Yeah, they'll keep your camp on their back, and you'll have like several, like a train of them. And then you could load them up with they they'll keep your camp on their back Yeah, and you will have like several like a train of them

Yeah, and then you could load them up with like elk quarters and take them back and for them it ain't shit It's thousands of pounds right like well. It's not really how much is an elk it's about 400 pounds of meat Oh, cuz you're leaving the bones and everything you leave in a lot. You can it you cut it Yeah, but you gotta take some of the bones like you want a rib right like there's you could have the bones and everything. So you skin it, you cut it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you gotta take some of the bones. You want a rib, right? You could have the ribs. Most guys cut the rib meat out, out of the ribs, and you grind it, make hamburger, or chili out of it,

or things like that. He makes strips, and then chops those strips up. There's a lot of different things you could do with rib meat It's pretty tender. It's good. It's real good when you cook them like slow over a fire though It's like it's not the most tender meat like when Slow over when you cook them over a fire can get pretty tough unless you do it like real low and slow like smoking it almost Like they do barbecue. Yeah. But it makes great hamburger.

But like the real, what everybody really loves is like the back strap. That's that. That's like essentially that would be like the filet mignon and tenderloin. And then the quarters, you make great steaks and you can make. What do these guys do when they age out of this?

Like what is like? Yeah. You try not to. Keep working out. What do these guys do when they age out of this? Like what is like, yeah. You try not to, keep working out. But like an NBA player eventually reaches the end of his professional playing ability. He might play in a gym, but like what does a cam do at like 75? Will he hunt?

He'll still be bow hunting at 75. But hunt a different thing? No. No, he'll be doing the same thing. There's physical limitations I imagine. There are, but not as much anymore. Not with hormone replacement and weightlifting. Got it, got it.

You know, like, guys like me didn't exist 30 years ago. Like 57-year-old jack dudes, they didn't exist. By the time you get 57, all that shit's gone. And all that shit goes away. I still have 30-year-old arms. They're still legit. time you got 57, all that shit's gone. Yeah. And all that shit goes away. I still have 30-year-old arms. They're still legit. They work real good.

Everything works real good. But you have to, you know, maintain yourself, take care of yourself. And if there's something like that that you care about, you know, like I have a friend, Brendan Burns, he runs Kuyu. It's like a huge outdoor clothing company. He's a hardcore bow hunter. One of the best bow hunters in the world. Was a big time college wrestler, like a great athlete.

Won't even try jujitsu, cause he doesn't want to hurt himself for hunting. Like hunting is so important to him. He's like, I'm not skiing, I'm not fucking around, fuck that. I feel like that's my whole workout regimen is just so I could play this sport called paddle It's not pickleball. It's called paddle. What is this?

It's a racket sport that I'm absolutely obsessed with I swear to God It's starting a cup of co Mexico and then it goes to Spain and it gets blown up there and it's essentially like squash and tennis mixed together, so there's There's there's walls. There's like this glass wall in the back and these like fences on the side Have you heard of this Jamie? Yeah, we played I'm dragging on bro. It is really it is the most obsessed It's the fastest growing sport in the world right now. It will take over tennis spokesperson for paddle I probably am the only person that is talking about at this level

This is this is shout out paddle house in New York. They got one in Williamsburg and one in Brooklyn. Amazing. And this is the game? This is the game. I'm so bad. It's unbelievable. And you're playing with tennis balls? So you play with a deflated tennis ball.

So essentially what it is, you gotta show highlights because I'm so fucking horrible that it's not gonna do it justice. But the idea behind it is, at least for me, is there's always hope. So the ball gets past you in tennis, you're cooked. The ball gets past you in paddle, it bounces cooked. The ball gets past you in paddle, it bounces off that back wall

and you're playing it off the back wall. So you're never fully out of the game. Oh. And you're constantly, it's, it is the only thing outside of like surfing and boxing and then comedy where I'm not, look at this. What? It is.

That guy went out the door. Oh, you're allowed to leave and go get it Yeah, I mean, it's just dude. I was down in Miami. There's thing called the reserve cup shoutout reserve I know about this This is the I'm telling you this will extend my life by God bless 10 20 years really also you got to watch the chicks play Because they don't have the power to smack it out, so it's just pure skill and And cleverness yeah Yeah, exactly. And placement? Everything is placement.

It's delicate placement. So what they're trying to do is, I'm telling you, it's unbelievable. And everybody that's playing tennis and squash and all these other racket sports is starting to convert to this. Really? Yes.

Tennis? Everybody from tennis is coming over. Now I'm talking to professionals. I'm talking about like people that played like in college or whatever. Really? And now they're starting to come over to this like Miami They're obsessed in Europe. They're completely obsessed like you go to like Sweden

There's like thousands like all like Cristiano Ronaldo and all the soccer guys are all playing it They own the facilities fuck am I just found out about this for the you guys got one here. What's it called? They just built one paddled Club Austin or something something like that, but it's just, it is, I'm upset. Oh, it's just never ending. Dude, I take lessons. This guy just ran outside the arena. Yeah.

That is crazy. But the fact that there's hope, the fact is like, it's not just brute strength. There's that little guy that was playing on the right right there, Chingoto, is this guy's like five foot three. And he's so skilled. And since it's not, he's not in this court, but that guy that guy Tapia is the best in the world. You know all the players

I'm obsessed with this in the way that you're obsessed with jujitsu. I don't believe I'm just finding out I play with the I got to play with some of these guys really they toy with me Like they'll just bring me up to the net on drop shots And then bring me back to the end and I'm just running around like a little bitch But it's like these guys to me are like Michael Jordan or like LeBron James like I get like giddy around them I'm so excited and like I'm telling you I I'm taking lessons once a week shout out my boy Lucho in New York the best fucking instructor on the planet right now He works at paddle house is incredible. Wow

Taking lessons. I'm playing three or four times a week it's like yeah it's my whole workout regimen is built around making sure that my shoulder is okay so I can play entire dedication to this the only thing I've been obsessed like with this about is stand-up comedy wow see only thing and I have no racket sport background I never played tennis growing up like I grew up in the city What the police does look fun dude? It's Still run outside. It's just That's so crazy that you run outside

The point isn't over right I mean there's always hope like and that's the beauty of like you're like a really competitive person when you play against someone who's got more strength than you even like when I would like boxing shit like that like You play against someone who's got more strength than you even like when I would like boxing shit like that like Somebody who was just bad like he was eventually if they can connect it's over and like even in this in power You can mitigate their power you can move them around the court They're guys they're way better than me a tennis squash and all these other things but strategically in this game If you don't hit it out, I got a chance And it's just You should do commentary. Dude, I was telling the guys.

You should do what I do for the UFC. I literally told the guys, dude, I was telling Wayne who owns Reserve, man, shout out Wayne, and I was like, I know you have your guys doing it, but like, dude, I am obsessed with this like Joe is with the UFC and MMA. Like, you don't need to pay me.

Like, I just want to talk about the sport. Like, I want to build this fucking thing up. How do we build this thing up? Wow. And I literally thought about you like this bro? I get it Dude it drives my wife crazy like I go to fucking brunch on a Sunday me my boy Jason are just talking about our paddle games This week no dude. It's my boy Jason just hit me up, and he's like listen

I know you got the special and everything going up, but my calf is feeling better So we got a game Wednesday, and I'm like okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready I that's crazy It's just the coolest thing wow I know you don't fuck with team sports, but this is looks fun. Yeah, it definitely looks fun It's great. It's great. Yeah, Jamie's a little sneaky athlete. Oh, Jamie's a good basketball player, but he's threes yeah, he's sneaky we had little fun him play golf the he's a Motherfucker with the drive. He's got that simulator in the back. Oh in your house. What's the furthest right here right here? We have in the garage. What's the furthest you ever whacked one of those on that? Far 300 yards, whatever. Oh, wow. You're like a legit dude. His swing is legit

You should have seen Brian Callan trying to swing after Jamie. It was comical because I'm behind him talking mad shit. Jamie bitch well the the joy that must have come to you watching Jamie smoke Callan. Oh, it was so much fun It was so much fun It was so much fun Anyway, yeah, I'm so obsessed with it like that's incredible even now like just the idea that paddle is spoken about on the Rogan Podcast is just crazy. How about you told me about it? I never even knew it was a thing Oh, someone brought it up to me. I'd be like that's bullshit. That's not real, dude It is real and these guys are starting to make money now like the pro the top guys are starting to make like, you know Decent amount of money that looks like ESPN for sure Like that looks like oh look. I had tomorrow there. Oh

Doesn't come over really fucked up knees don't ruin his knees bro. Yeah. Yeah, yeah I mean, but he played pickleball cuz he's down there in Miami, but these are so fucked up. Yeah, it's it's I hope that if if stem cell technology advances if they, if the FDA finally allows people to have the same kind of stem cells in America that they do in Colombia and Mexico. Norway or is it Sweden? Where's the other place that they do it?

I don't know. If you want to get some bougies, if you want the white stem cells. I mean, it's like Norway that they're harvesting them. Well, the places that I know of, the big one is the CPI in Tijuana That's one of the best in the world okay, and that place is they have a partnership with the UFC They sent a lot of the athletes. Oh really and there's another place in Columbia bioxcellerator there's an island in the Caribbean that they do it to that they like bring a

They bring the they like fly in the medical office essentially for the week or two week periods. Oh, okay. Yeah, and then they have like stem cells that have been harvested in some place and my neighbor, my neighbor did that. So I forget which island it is, but. Well there's Panama too, Neil Reardon, Dr. Neil Reardon, who's really, he's written so many books and papers on the benefits of stem cells. Have you done the stem cells?

I've done a shitload of them, yeah. And what is the immediate impact? Oh, it heals soft tissue way better than anything else that I've ever used before. So like what, for example, what injury did you have that you felt? The biggest one, I've talked about it before, I apologize if you've heard this before, people. I had a rotator cuff tear, a full length rotator cuff tear, and went to a doctor, went to the UFC's doctor. They sent me to orthopedic surgeon. He looks at my MRI.

He can't believe I can do anything. He says, I can't believe you can do anything with this shoulder. Like, you have a full length rotator cuff tear. But he does all the stuff with me, like push down, push up, and he goes, like, you're pretty functional. He goes, I think it's probably because

you have a lot of muscle around the joint, but he goes, but you're gonna need surgery. He goes, you could try to probably because you have a lot of muscle around the joint because but you're going to need surgery. He goes, you could try to rehab it, but you're going to need surgery. I go really gonna need surgery? He goes, yeah. I go, am I ruining my shoulder by not having surgery? He's like, potentially. He's like, you know, try your best rehab, put it off as much as you want, but you're going to need surgery. So then I go to Dr. Roddy McGee in Vegas. and this was years ago. He's doing stem cells with the UFC athletes He's a bunch of different people. He's like well we could try it and I think the stem cells I got them actually aren't even available anymore because they were too good

So they inject it in my shoulder and then after a couple weeks, it feels pretty fucking good. And then I rehab it I'm doing like bands and all sorts of different stuff. I get it to the point where it starts feeling good. I start light, like light kettlebells, it's feeling pretty good. I go back to him six months later, he does an MRI, he says, this is the most astounding thing I've ever seen in all my years of being an orthopedic surgeon.

He goes, that tear is gone. Like, you just wrote this full length rotator cuff tear that was gonna need surgery doesn't exist anymore Like when I say like my shoulder is better. I mean it doesn't bother me at all like at all I do everything I hit the bag. I I Do kettlebells with 70 pounds? I do swings and curls and cleans and presses zero pain not. Not a one thing like, man, maybe I shouldn't be doing this. It like feels 100% normal.

And all stem cells. Like I should, I could've got cut with a sling. And then you're done. Didn't do any of that. There's a, I have a shoulder, a little bit of a shoulder issue actually. I'm curious if the stem cells work. 100%.

I'll bring you to Ways to Well that's in Austin. Yeah. Listen man, they've healed so many people that I'm friends with. If this themselves 100% so I'll bring you to ways to well that's in Austin. Yeah, listen, man They've they've healed so many people that I'm friends with I had a solo guy like like minimal scapular movement I think that was the issue So I was making up for the fact that my scapula doesn't move that much with just stretching out the muscles around it Mmm, does that make sense? So like you're I guess that the scapula is this Bone here the scapula is that the one that kind of like hangs off. Yeah, and like that's supposed to move up with your arm

when you extend it. And it was staying there, but I was still moving my arm. So I'm stretching all, I guess, the muscles or tendons or whatever. What did happen to your scapula that made it freeze like that? I don't know. Like I was told that I might have like a small tear in the rotator cuff.

Do you hang? Do you ever hang from your hands? I mean, I would told that I might have a small tear in the rotator cuff. Do you hang? Do you ever hang from your hands? I mean, I do pull-ups as part of my exercise routine when I'm doing any other body. Pull-ups are great exercise, but hanging is great for shoulder health. So what I do every day for at least a minute, usually more, I usually do a couple of sets of hangs

before I do anything. I'll do my warm-ups with like push-ups and bodyweight squats and then what I do is I chalk up my hands and I grab a hold of bar and I just hang and I just try and I feel my back popping like it Decompresses your back because your spine like the weight of your hips and your legs is pulling on your spine for the first time Normally life is pushing down on you, gravity, the weight of your body's pushing down. Wow, now you're using gravity to pull it all out. Yes, so I do that, I hang that way, and then I also do that dex, we have a machine out there,

Teeter, the company that makes those things where you hang by your ankles. Yeah, I've seen it. They have a great one where it's called the dex. I like it better than the ankle one, where you hinge at the hips and you fall forward and then you just it's basically like your lower body and your hips are carrying like locking your weight in place and you're leaning forward so the full weight of your upper

body is decompressing your back and I'll feel it going like pop pop pop I'll feel like little pops in my back and I stretch it and I move on that thing and it's all just about keeping the the spine pliable and keeping the range of motion in your spine but also in your shoulder joints yeah it's one of the best things for shoulder joints is to just hang and I'll hang with one arm sometimes I'll hang with both arms yeah but I'm just like letting it all stretch out so it stretches all your your the mobility of your shoulders and Create space in there. Yeah allows everything to move freer, and then I'll do my chin-ups So I do my sets of chin-ups, so that's a stretch essentially yes

Okay, maybe I have to add that in yeah I also stretch on a bar where I grab the bar and I turn like this and I get it like that I get like a deep stretch that way and I get a deep stretch the other way. And I do these- I'll do that on my back on the ground. You should also do these things called, it's called crossover symmetry.

It's these bands and they have varying resistance, like different colors or different strength and resistance. You don't even need a lot of resistance. The whole idea is just you're working the tendons and all the connective tissue And it's just doing all these like different shoulder exercises And so they cross like one is attached to a post over here and the other ones here Yeah, so I'm doing these yeah doing these and I'm doing I'm pinning them against my arm

And I'm doing it like that where I'm just working the rotator cuff muscles and just just to keep everything You're creating the torque on the joint Yeah, whereas like when you're lifting weights you can kind of manipulate what part of your body is lifting you can and that's how you get injured yeah yeah that's I got to do the because that's my biggest concern right now is you know to bring it back to your friends how do I play like everything I do I like I do PT twice a week shot my boy Mike Helges he's fucking great PT twice a week Yeah, it's like I'm lifting but I'm with a guy who is a PT. So if there is an issue we can oh I see

I see but he'll just take me through weightlifting if I'm feeling good and if I'm not then we're doing some work and Have you been able to increase the mobility of your schedule? My yes, and my shoulder was fucked before and he brought it back him and him and this guy Kyle We're like don't do surgery like they were like, once you do surgery, you're fucked. And so let's try to work this thing out by building muscle around it, getting mobility into the joint.

And like, they brought the shoulder back. Like this was before I ever played paddle. Let me say one thing real clear. That's not always true. I know a lot of people that have had successful shoulder surgery. And in some cases, that's the only thing you can do. To save yourself.

Yeah, there's like Yuri Prohaska, the UFC former light heavyweight champion, his shoulder was blown apart. They had to put it back together again. They had to. And so they're- Incredibly effective. Yeah, damn.

I mean- That Jamal Hill fight, holy shit. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Holy shit. So for a situation like that, shoulder surgery was necessary. His shit was torn apart. You can't just heal that with stem cells,

but there are things you can heal with stem cells. And it definitely helps soft tissue injuries in a way like nothing else I've ever used. Yeah, it's legit. And Brigham Buehler, who's the CEO of WasteWell, he's worked so hard on edge, he's been on this podcast a bunch of times and Tucker's podcast, a bunch of podcasts, just talking about all these different methods

that are available that are being stifled by the FDA. And that's the thing is like once you get something that you're addicted to, longevity exercise or regimens or whatever it is, are very easy to do because you're not really doing them so you can live to a hundred You're like how do I play this thing next week, right? And all the motivation comes from it? It's really simple like I actually can't wait to go do the PT whatever it is because I'm like okay I have a game Wednesday, and I want to be good to play it sounds ridiculous. I'm 41 I'm not going pro at this thing, but I love it so much that I would literally I'm looking up the fucking fucking BPC 157, I'm like, do I need to put, yeah, the Wolverine shit that they say, right?

And it's like, do I get that so I can recover faster? Yeah, get that. Is it, have you tried that? It's legit, super legit. I recommended it to a buddy with no research. I was like, you should do this. And then a couple of weeks later, he's like, I'm on it. And I was like, did you look up it?

I'm not a doctor or anything. I mean, you should look into this thing. But he said he did it for his, he got an ACL surgery, and his doctor, he asked about it, and his doctor goes, I take it. Well, that's a good doctor, because I've had friends where I tell them about it, their doctor says, oh, you shouldn't do that, there's no studies which hold it all.

That's the thing, I feel like there's like old guard guys, they're a little bit hesitant to use some of the maybe newer technology. And I'm sure they have their reasons. I don't know more than them about the science, but there are these new technologies that can maybe extend our playing age. Again, I don't need to be a pro,

but I love this thing and I want to do it as much as I can. I want to get as good as I possibly can. It feels good to be getting better at something at this age. Well, let me tell you something. There's a reason why USADA didn't let people use it in the UFC, and now drug-free sport also doesn't let people use it in the UFC. It's because it works.

Wait a minute. Why would they not? Wouldn't it be advantageous for the athletes to get a recovery? Exactly. It's really stupid. But the idea is that it's performance enhancing because it lets you heal quicker So heal from injuries quicker potentially heal from recovering from training quicker And and what would their argument? I mean the only argument I've heard is like it increases

Well, the idea is like keep everybody on a completely level playing field. How do you do that? No one's able to take anything you can't take any performance enhancing or substances. Or make it accessible to all athletes that are in the UFC. Well, I think that's the right way to do it. But the problem is that, okay, what peptides are we talking about? What about things like HCG, which radically increase testosterone production? Are you allowed to do that? Okay, because if you're allowed to do that, what level is that steroids? Only recovery.

I think any recovery drug, obviously obviously there's risks to all this. You increase cell growth and if you have cancer, God forbid, in your body, those cells are going to grow as well, right? There's an argument for that, but I think the real argument is what's causing cancer, right? The real argument is eliminating environmental toxins and the issues. Also, there's people that have genetic predispositions to cancer, unfortunately. But the real reality about cancer is, unfortunately, what you take into your body has a significant

effect. Your diet has a significant effect. Exercise has a significant effect. And also, do you participate in any recovery activities like sauna, which is huge. They did a study out of Finland, again, I apologize if you've heard this before. It was a 20 year study They found people use sauna for four days a week had a 40% decrease in all cause Mortality all cause meaning heart attack stroke cancer you name it. Yeah 40% decrease

Just now because of the effects of sauna. How do they how do they test that like where's the? What is the what is the term the something group like the group? Well, this is what they did They did this control randomized control trial, right? So they did this study where they took these people and Sauna use in Finland is everywhere. Everybody is the sauna. Yeah, and so they did it based on These questionnaires. Do you do the sauna once a week? Do you sauna twice a week? What temperature do you do the sauna? And how long do you do it for?

And they determined that the people that did the sauna four times a week for 20 minutes at 175 degrees had a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality. Now, when you drop the number of sessions, you also drop the all-cause mortality. Now, when you drop the number of sessions, you also drop the all-cause mortality survival. Got it. So, like, it's like 20% at once a week, you know, 30% of the...

So it's like that. Measurable differences in the amount of people that were healthy and robust who did it four times a week. Yeah, I mean, that's interesting, because the easiest way to discredit it would be like, well, yeah, the people that do saunas want to increase their life, but what you're saying is there's an increased amount

of assistance if you do it more. Right. The benefits are legitimate, real, measurable. It's hermetic stress. It's heat shock proteins that your body produces to deal with the fact that you're essentially dying. Like you can't stay, like I do it at 196. You can't stay there very long.

I do 25 minutes at 196. Have you ever passed out in it? No. Okay. Is that a thing people do? I don't pass out. Get out the smelling salts. I stay awake.

No, you could though. Yeah, I mean, if you are the type of person who passes out, if you've got issues. Yeah. Yeah, I think that- Some people pass out just from stress. Yeah. I watched a kid black out the other night, one of these school things that my kid had to go to.

Really? Some boy fainted on stage. Wow. Yeah, sometimes people just, sometimes they just, your brain goes, too much, check please. I've seen like, not passed out, but like I was having like breathing issues.

I didn't understand what the fuck it was, and like my wife and I were trying to get pregnant, it was like really difficult, because my sperm sucks, and I would have like, I guess it was stress related, I didn't know what the fuck it was, like I went to a doctor and I was like,

I feel like I can't catch my breath. And I started doing these like, it's like a Navy SEAL breathing technique or whatever. You're like. Box breathing. Box breathing, yeah. And I would try to do that. I mean, it was so weird. It wouldn't affect me on stage because once I'm on stage, I'm like locked into the performance.

And that's how I knew it was all psychological. But like when I was off stage, there were times where I'd be at the cellar, and I'd have to leave the cellar, and there's this little park on Sixth Avenue that's not even really a park, but there's benches. And I would just sit there, and I would just fucking box breathe by myself, trying to get a full breath. And I'd go to this doctor, and I was like,

what the fuck is it? And it was a stress-induced asphyxiation or something like that. Wow. And I was just so like. What was so stressful to you at that moment? I couldn't get pregnant. Like I found out my sperm sucked.

Oh, so was that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like not to. See that's where HCG comes in actually because that's one of those peptides that actually increases your sperm production. Yeah, well my sperm wasn't swimming. That was the issue.

Gotta get those bitches in the pool. Cold flush. That helps too. That's supposed to be good for your nuts. Bro, I hit up Huberman. Heat's the worst apparently. They said heat and cold. I hit up Huberman and I was like,

what should I do? And he's like, all right, take these pills. And then the doctors even tell me, they're like, take these pills and then also. You got lazy jizz, bro. I got the laziest fucking jizz, bro. No, you just wait for it. I gotta take the pills.

They're like, don't drink. I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna drink. They're like, don't smoke, okay, I'm not gonna smoke. They go wear baggy underwear and they're like, ice your balls once a day. Holla. So I do that for a month. I go get, or two months, I go get my sperm tested again.

It got worse. Really? Yeah. And they're like, we haven't even fucking seen this. And yeah, so we had to do IVF and everything. That's what the special is about. It's just the story of us trying to get pregnant. There was a study, I think it was out of Japan, and what they were doing was they were getting people

to cold plunge before exercise. So you cold plunge for three minutes and then you exercise and you force your body to heat up while you're working out. Massive increase in testosterone. To the point where this one guy, he got his prostate levels checked and his doctor was like, this is concerning.

Like, we wanna do this, we wanna do that, we wanna put you on this and put you on that. And the guy says, you know, this article is available online, this one guy tried this, he goes, okay, well let me find out what's available online. So he finds out about cold plunging, does it, and then, so this is the thing, Japanese cold plunge study, often referenced, discussed

about immersing the wrist in cold water before exercise significantly increased testosterone levels in young Japanese men compared to immersing it after exercise, which suppressed testosterone levels, highlighting the importance of timing when using cold stimulation for potential hormonal benefits. So what this guy did was he plunged, not just the wrist, and then went to the doctor months later, and the doctor thought he was on hormones. The doctor's like, you have 1,100 testosterone.

This is crazy. Like, what's going on? And he tells him, I've been cold plunging before I lift weights. And the doctor's like, well, keep fucking doing that. And so I do that now. Really? Yeah, I know a lot And so I do that now. Really? Yeah, I know a lot of people that do that now.

This is how they start their workout. My workout starts with a cold plunge. So my issue wasn't even the T. They were like, yeah, your T levels are good. It's just the swimmers. It was the swimmers. And then they were like shaped weird. I mean, it's just like.

Bro. Yeah, it was, bro. No, dude, it was, I mean, it was too funny. I told the guy, I mean, this is, I don't even do this in the special, I think, but like, I, they were like, the shape is a little off or whatever, and I was, because you're so defensive,

I go, well, maybe when they hit the cup. So hard. Yeah, so I'm like, I'm still trying to like, I got an ego about it, I'm like, bro, you should have seen the way they fucking, it's a car crash over here. Bro. It's coming at 400 PSI. But it was crazy. Once we got pregnant, it went away. And it was like, immediately went away.

I could breathe again. And it wasn't this feeling that I couldn't breathe. It was about catching a full breath. You know when you're like running and at the end of your... You're doing like a hard cardio intensive exercise, this idea like you can't get to a hundred percent in your lungs Yeah, and I never had experience in my life like I can I can work pretty hard Like I feel like maybe that's a competitive advantage of mine

Like I might not be the most skilled in certain things, but like I can I can go I have a good motor I can fucking push it and there's the first time my life where like a psychological issue I have a good motor I can fucking push it and there's the first time my life where like a psychological Issue affected my body physically. I didn't even know that that was possible And I know that that's having a lot of people I know that got canceled people that got canceled where they were just Overwhelmed where they didn't couldn't breathe and they didn't think that they could make it they were like I can't do this Oh cuz they were going through that they were going through it like in the heart of it

Yeah, like you got a call up and check up on them. Yeah, make sure they're okay I remember Tony when I remember the fork in the road I remember what the the curve I was driving on when I was talking on the phone to Tony when he was going through his First one. Yeah, and he's like just said, this is not good, man. I'm not doing good. And I'm like, fuck man. And there's like, that was the moment where I was like, please don't kill yourself.

Oh wow. Like you're gonna get better. You're gonna be fine. Do not, I didn't say that. But that's what you're thinking. That's what I was thinking. I remember being in my car going, ooh. Like hearing him on the phone, we were on speakerphone.

I was like, fuck man. Well yeah, you dedicate your entire life to one thing. And then. But were on speakerphone. I'm like fuck man Yeah, you dedicate your entire life to one thing and but it's also it's just like feeling like it's over Everything is over your careers over your life is over as you know one stupid thing and now it's over forever and just You can't breathe. Yeah, you can't breathe. Yeah, and you know Tony's tough. He's resilient Yeah, he got through it pretty quick and he was back and then you know A couple weeks later. He was laughing about it. Yeah, but some people it you know, they get wrecked and they're not the same ever again I think that does happen to people and then there's a different version of them afterwards Because they don't want to experience that again

It is it is weird like I'm not as affected by that kind of stuff now Maybe I haven't gone through on that level. And I also think there's something about having a kid, I just care less about, there are very few people I care what they think about me. It's really liberating in a lot of ways. But yeah, there was something about, are we not gonna be able to get pregnant?

And then feeling, you feel horrible. I also, you start like going, why would God not want me to have a kid? Like, did I do something bad? Like you start thinking like, if there's some sort of karmic reason for that shit. Also before I knew it was me, I don't wanna share it with anybody.

It's really isolating. Cause I thought it was my wife. Like everybody always thinks it's the woman who's got a fucking problem with their eggs or whatever. And- That's such a bitch ass dude thing. No, that's what we think because we don't know it could be us When did you ever like every time I looked at my spirit? Fucking jizz. I'm killing it right like literally so and then and then you think about it, and I will say this though like like So and then and then you think about it and I will say this though like like

Finding out that it was me and being able to I felt more comfortable talking about on stage because now I'm not talking about this Incredibly embarrassing thing to this woman who does not want to be an entertainment at all like the most private person Net about me I was like oh I can talk about this a little bit and being able to talk about on stage And I would talk about on stage and like there be these dudes that would come up to me after shows, and they wouldn't admit they were going through it, but they'd be like, yo, that was really funny, bro.

You should keep talking about that shit. And then I would talk about it on tour, and I'd get these fucking DMs, and all these people would start telling me that they're going through IVF, and even close friends start to be like, yo, actually, that's how we got pregnant. And I didn't realize it was this,

this like almost like last taboo thing where there's this incredible isolation because you don't want to feel the judgment. There's all this pressure and obviously you have a family. You don't want to feel like you're the person that's like stopping that. But I didn't realize, and I'm 40, so a lot of older people are probably going through this.

Maybe young people are not, but like everybody in my immediate circle going through this shit. Let me ask you this. Like, first of all, when did IVF become. Available to people and how many people a year do you think use IVF? And if they didn't, how many less people would there be on Earth? Brother, brother, brother. This is like there were three things

when I talked to Trump that I wanted to ask him about specifically. And one of them was securing IVF. Because I know a lot of people who are against abortion also look at IVF and they're like, OK, you're throwing out embryos. You're killing people or potential people. And they want to use the anti-abortion argument

to get rid of IVF. And- Really, is that a thing? Yeah, of course it's happening now. And what Trump said on the pod- Who's trying to ban that? I guess we could look that up. I think that it was in,

there's a few states that it was happening in. That seems insane. Yeah. Why would you not want more people? Well, they look at it as killing people because life starts at conception and the embryo is essentially conception Which like I understand your logic. I don't I don't disagree with the logic behind that but at the same time

that is the way that the only way some people can get pregnant and I will give it a senate republicans block ivf bills democrats elevate issue ahead of november election But what i'll say is trump said that they're going to back it with the full power of the Republican Party and that anybody that goes against It that they would campaign against and then he even signed that executive order to expand it He wants to expand access to it. Oh, that's great, which is fucking yes incredible people that want to be parents, man I know quite a people few people like yourself They want to be parents so bad and that gave him the ability and now they're so happy. And it's the most incredible thing in the world.

Yeah, and if they don't do that, guess what? There's no babies. No babies. It's like more life will occur if you allow this. Also, we gotta deal with the downstream, like I'm sure some of this shit is probably, it might, me it just might be genetic, I don't fucking know, but maybe it's microplastics all in my balls,

maybe it's my phone, like there's a lot of things that are not in our control that are negatively impacting us, and then to restrict our ability to have a family, I feel like it's kind of unfair. You, like, bestowed this thing upon me that has affected our ability or some woman's ability. I wonder if it's, like, more prevalent, the issue or the necessity of it

with people that live in cities. Oh, dude, every time a car breaks, the amount of microplastics that go into the world are way more than using like a plastic bottle to drink out of yeah Brake dust yeah, yeah, it's particulates absolutely. That's the shit that you wipe off your wheels when you clean your car No, that's in the air. You never wash your car. No Jesus Christ. Yeah, I mean I didn't have a car until like a year ago What do you got now got anything good? No nothing well? I got a fun one I got a really I got a Suzuki Samurai. Oh It's the coolest fucking car on the planet. Those are fun. They're so cool

It was yeah, that's a good car to park in the city, too You don't give a fuck what happens or that well. I got it out in the Hamptons, but yeah, what year is it? It's a 87 That's such a piece of shit. Oh, it's a piece of shit, but it is like it's also just so fun like I'm not trying to compete with you on like having Like a fancy car whatever like that. I just love how fucking rug. I don't care I turn you on some fucking you you know the good shit like yeah, you gotta learn it You gotta learn the appreciation of cars. I got my yeah there it is

Adorable I wouldn't take that thing around the block, but wait you're saying you wouldn't get in that car with us it with six Look at the boys! That thing's fun. Oh yeah, look at these guys. Look at these little cars. Isn't it adorable? I wouldn't take that thing around the block. But, wait, you're saying you wouldn't get in that car with... Trust it. ...with six guys? I'd go with you guys. Yeah, I'd go with you guys. Shouldn't that be on the cover of every gay magazine?

It should be. I'd be like... Hahaha! Like, if you take this pill, this is what you'll have. You'll have fun with your friends on the beach with a Suzuki Samurai. It's so much fun. And they're reliable as fuck, That's the thing about them. Every Japanese car is reliable.

Yes. They're the best. That's the thing about Japanese culture, is that it's refinement culture. So I feel like there's this Japanese DJ I saw. His name is Yosuke Yukimatsu. He had brain cancer, and then he thought he was going to die. So he was like, fucking, I'm going

to be a DJ with the time I got left. And it went into remission, but he basically quit his construction job He just did this boiler room set and it is just like I could be like putting this energy on it because I want to Believe it or whatever but the intensity of it is this is my shot, and I'm gonna be unrelenting Right and the second I saw that he's Japanese. Maybe it's like this is the guy look at him go, but can you like? Can you look at this motherfucker via a Japanese person being a DJ before I even listened to the set? I was like, oh, this is gonna be the best set I've ever heard Because they would never put themselves out there

Be and do it half-assed like every 30 year old model in America is like I'll be a DJ now But in Japan the culture is so like don't bring shame upon your family Don't bring attention to yourself unless you are the greatest Do you know the term Kaizen? Do you know what that means? No, what is that? Kaizen is a Japanese term for? Taking a thing and continuing to refine it until it reaches perfection. So Japanese, first of all, like supercars were always Italian, it was always, you know, German, Porsche, Ferrari, that kind of shit. And then Nissan created a car that destroyed everybody. What was it?

The GTR. So the Nissan GTR, they've essentially been making the same exact car, just refining it for like 20 years. I have a 2024 Nissan GTR Nismo, which is their race package one, which is the most refined version of the GTR they've ever and it's a fucking Marvel of engineering and refinement. Yeah, that fucking car is magical Yeah, it's just glued to the road you ever seen one. Do you know show me pull up a black?

Nissan 2024 GTR Nismo, but culture they can't put out shit It's shameful to put out shit right and I feel like they've they're almost like done refining their culture and now they're tapping into other things Like what I would it looks like oh wow yeah, it looks like what's the that's not that's a that's a Nismo 300 That's mine. It looks like that's my car. What is that Nissan Z was a Z 300 or something like that Yeah, 340 Z. There's a bunch of of those but that's the that's the GTR Yeah, that thing It's just it's just it's just it you're on a ride. Yeah, you're riding a ride everywhere whirs and clinks clunks

Yeah, it's so fun that's a different one that. That's a 300Z, a 370Z. That's pretty sick too though. That looks good. But there's like a whole culture of taking these things. Like there's guys that make these things, they jack them up to 2000 horsepower and they spit fire out of the back of them. But they do that with pizza.

Like the best pizza I've ever had and I'm from New York City is in Tokyo. Really? The best pizza you've ever had? The best pizza you've ever had is in Tokyo. I forget the name of the place. Wow. But it, my wife and I is in Tokyo. Really? The best pizza you've ever had? The best pizza I've ever had is in Tokyo. I forget the name of the place. But my wife and I were in Tokyo. But it was the best steak I've ever had is in Tokyo.

Really? And it's something about like doing something half-assed I think is shameful. And there's this great honor in like this refinement process. Now there is a social cost to that. There's a rigidity, meaning like it's very, here's a perfect example. and the refinement process. Now there is a social cost to that. There's a rigidity, meaning like, it's very, here's a perfect example, like the oldest hotel in the world,

I think is this hotel in Japan, it's like starting in 703, the year 703. Whoa. Oh, I've seen that. Yeah. And it's been owned by the same family for 52 generations. Right.

Which is like an unbelievable feat when you think about like American families or British families that like have gotten rich and then three generations. They've squandered it all Like really successful families. It's all been destroyed and there is this thing and I think Japanese culture Which is like there's this great honor in taking on the tradition of your family The cost of that is there was probably a comedian or a chef or somebody in that line that didn't do the thing that they really were passionate about to honor their family. But the societal benefit is probably the majority

of people don't have those dreams. And having purpose in this job is probably better for them. And I think there's a middle ground where you can still go dream and do these things, but also we have some respect for being a cobbler when your dad was a cobbler and his dad was a cobbler. I feel like we've lost that a little bit in like American dream culture,

where it's like, if you don't go out and achieve your craziest dream, some people don't have that dream, but taking over their dad's business is something that they can feel good about and honor instead of like, oh yeah, so I just took over the family business. Well, doing a good job at anything,

there's a lot of value in that for everybody. If you love making shoes and you become a cobbler and you make awesome shoes and you got like Andrew shows up, bro, those shoes are sick. I love them. I want another pair, but could you make them in Crocodile? Yeah. Oh, let's go.

Yeah. Yeah, that's exciting. Like making things and having relationships with the people you sell them to that's super rewarding We do chase that big dream over in America and make it seem like everybody has to have it But the dream of making cabinets that are awesome is a pretty fucking cool Yeah, the dream of being a painter is a pretty cool dream Like there's there's a lot of dreams that don't get the value added to them because of fame. We have this weird thing about fame above all in this country.

Fame above all, like moms, being a mom isn't really valued. Oh yeah. I think it's a real problem. I think that, and it's not all places, I'm sure there are places that are more family oriented where being a mom is an honor, respected thing. A lot out here, man. I love that, and it's not all places, like I'm sure there are places that are more like family oriented where like being a mom is an honored, respected thing. A lot out here, man. I love that.

Yeah. Like in New York, it's not that. Right, nor is it in LA. In LA, a lot of the moms have jobs too. They have careers. They don't wanna abandon their career. They might shame those moms that decide to stay home and take care of their kids.

Oh yeah. When, yeah, I don't think that that's, it would be great if there was less rigidity and there was a lot of honor in that and There was something we really respected because I know in New York even my wife like my wife is like, you know She got her fucking NBA. She was working for Apple and AI projects And then she goes I that's my dream to be a mom and I feel societal scrutiny about it But I don't fucking care because I want to be a mom, you know, who really gets the scrutiny stay at home dads that shit is gay you trying to lip-pill me Joe what the fuck

I want to see where you would go with it I fed you one of them little racquetball balls The paddle I fed you one of those half filled tennis balls and you fucking shoved it down my throat But yeah, that is the weird thing, it's like I know, as well as a male you feel a real strong pull to be a provider. We do! It feels very important.

Yeah. It really, like, as you become a father and you raise children, it really gets instilled on you. Like, I always had a really good work ethic, but becoming a father made me have a much stronger work ethic. Like, there's no... If I was a single man with no responsibilities Who knows if I would work as hard who knows if I would take days off. I would fuck off

I'd my friends are like hey, you know, let's go bull hunting in Argentina. Yeah, I'll take the day off I'll get the biggest lie about having kids is that you won't be able to provide for them I think a lot of people go I just need to get my life ready to do it's like no no That's gonna put a battery in your back. Like you't fucking believe hopefully. It's very sad when it doesn't I've met I shouldn't have kids yeah I've met men where they they just they keep doing the same thing even after they have children and you're like oh my god Dude, you can't do this. Did they want to have them? Who knows you know who knows what if people want or if they think they want and then they have and then they don't change. You know, Louis CK said something

really cool once to me. He's like when you have children, he's like you just gotta let it change you. Just let it change you. Yeah. Yeah, don't hold on to who you think you are and what you think your identity is. Just let it, let it transform you. Adjust. Because everybody adjusts. The mom adjusts let it it's let it transform you adjust because everybody adjust the mom adjust you now It's not your girlfriend anymore. It's not your wife anymore now. It's a mother. She has a child She made a human being in her body It's very vulnerable and she loves it more than anything in this world anything and it's this crazy Experience that if you don't have and you're on the outside you look at it as like oh that responsibility

Fuck that. Oh, you're tied down. Oh you got kids now, but it's uh, it's another level of Understanding what life really is because it's this constant cycle of new people entering into the world and eventually you will leave this world Yep, and hopefully you will leave this world better because you were here. Amen. Yeah, that's true Yeah, it's the best the coolest thing that's ever happened to me and absolutely has transformed me I was super excited when you become a dad man Because I knew you you're all in on everything you do, you know So you'd be all in on being a dad too, which is so important. It's just so important like It's so weird that you're making a life, a human being, comes into this world that didn't exist before you

and your wife had sex. And now there's a human being that's talking to you, and you're teaching them stuff. They learn things. You get to see them laugh and giggle. And you get to see them open up Christmas presents and screech in excitement. Oh my god. All the happiness that you get

from other things just doesn't compare. Pails in comparison. Yeah, it's a different happiness. It's a totally different happiness. And it's also, it's like an understanding of life itself. I have talked about this before, but I changed the way I think about people. You told me this.

I think about everybody as a baby now. Everybody's a baby that became a 60-year-old man with a big old wino nose, you know, when they get those big crazy fuckin' gin blossom faces. Yeah, yeah. Like priests. Yep. And, you know, I realized like,

oh, this is just, this is this entity at this stage of its journey. But it used to be a baby. They used to be someone's cute little baby boy with a little bow tie on. Everybody thought it was so cute, took a picture of him. Now here he is, bad breath and farting. Big old pot belly, hating life, smoking Paul Maul's.

Yeah, he had a lot of hope at one point. That was a baby, yeah. And you know, what is, you have a lot of hope, but like what is the impediment to you achieving a fulfilled life? And so many people don't even know where to start or where to begin, what to do, which way to go. And if you haven't been trusting your instincts

in your life and you haven't been taking chances, then all of a sudden you have to take one at like 35. It's hard, man, it's hard. That's a muscle you build like endurance, you know, you build the muscle of being able to take chances and, and do difficult things. You build that like all other muscles or all other strengths and virtues that you have. It's reinforced with use. Yeah, every risk you take that is successful, you get a little bit more confidence in taking those risks. Also, you understand what's required to make this venture successful.

You'd have to look at it correctly. You can't be delusional. You have to be objective, and you have to do what actually needs to be done. And some people don't like that responsibility, the responsibility of like, yeah. So they've sabotaged themselves. They sabotaged their life because it's easier to fail because you're used to it Yeah, so you fall right back into it. I'll pick myself back up again, but right now I'm on the heroin again for a little bit That is the cool thing about

Well, yeah, I mean Failure is not an option once you have a kid. No you have to figure it out Yeah, you have to figure it out. Also you want the world to be a safer place because you have very vulnerable little people. Yeah, you relate. It's a, you just become like a real human being. It's interesting when I hear people that don't have kids kind of complain about the world, then I'm like, oh, you actually don't really understand

how high the stakes get. Right. Like, the way that I relate to every bit of stimulus has completely changed. It's heightened and reduced. The little frivolous shit, I do not give a flying fuck about. Like, I really don't care.

And then the big ticket things, I care deeply about. You know, how could they impact my kid? Like, it's very easy for people to, even with like the vaccine shit, it's very easy for people who don't have kids to tell you like, oh, just trust the doctors, whatever. The second you have a kid, it is probably the most terrifying thing

you'll ever do in your entire life is injecting something into the most perfect thing you've ever created and then every single day wondering and listening if she's still smiling and seeing if she's still okay, and feeling responsible if anything negative happens. and then if you don't do it feeling Responsible if she got fucking the measles or mumps or whatever the fuck it is I have so much more empathy and

It's something that people just can't understand because they're not put in that position Right every new parent that I talked to is concerned about this shit Every single one so it's like you have to have a little empathy. You've created the most perfect thing you could ever imagine. Nothing comes as close to that. And every decision you make could greatly impact that person's life.

So yeah, we're gonna be scared if we watch a fucking video on the internet that says this thing is bad for them. And don't call us some fucking quacks. Just call us parents who care for our fucking kids., the reason there's a lot of people that want to cover up for their own Actions like what they've done or the people that want to say that like all this is exaggerated There are no vaccine injuries. This could have happened to my child It probably was was you gonna happen anyway, it was gonna happen anyway Yeah, you want to really believe that of course you do because you don't want to feel like it's your responsibility

Also, you don't want to believe that pharmaceutical drug companies are willing to sell you things that are going to harm your child. And they are. They are. They always have been. They always will be. They're publicly traded companies that have responsibility to their shareholders to make as much money as possible.

And the money people are going to push a bunch of shit through that probably shouldn't go through. And they'll tell you, you needed, like when they were vaccinating kids with COVID, there was no reason to do that. They knew there was no reason to do that. But they wanted everybody to take it because that's where the money is. And that's a scary thought that we live in a world that there's people out there that would literally sacrifice the health of children for profit. But ultimately, that's, that's what they do. That's I mean, that's a thing that's been done It will continue to be done unless something happens. Who are the people that do that? Why are they not named?

Look at the Sackler family. Look at those people. So it's like we know one name We know the Sacklers and we don't even know their first name Well, you might but like the average person doesn't like I think that it'd be a lot different if these people's names were public record It'll be a lot different. They went to jail. That's the thing. They just get fined. They'll get manjonied. Yeah. That would happen.

Right. That would happen immediately. That's a new thing, that's a verb. They're gonna get that Luigi treatment immediately. It will be that way. People don't fuck around with their kids, man. It's a different. Luigi was wearing loafers with his ankle handcuffs

and he was in a trial and he looks so beautiful. He's a handsome guy. My wife and my daughter's like, he's adorable, look at him here, he's so beautiful. He's so handsome. He's a handsome guy. Like a supermodel. I think he did porn or maybe that was just a headline that I saw. But whatever.

But it's crazy though that the assassin is a good-looking guy becomes a hero like he was an ugly fat guy with a maga hat on Everybody would want him dead. Yo, that's look at him. Wow. Look at those brows beautiful Well, he's wearing a bulletproof vest too in that wild. Yeah But he's got like a mental health problem. Yeah, apparently and someone said that he took acid and cracked Yeah, I heard that Who knows how much of that well? We'll find out when the trial happens what yeah what the lore is but you know a broken clock is right two times a day though It was real weird when people were like yeah more of that, please to me

That's just desperation and you get to see it manifested. It's like If you're like a really, really, really, really, really rich person with power, you wanna make sure the poorest people have enough to survive. The second they don't feel like they have hope and they don't feel like they have enough to survive, they start storming your estate.

Well, especially when you talk about healthcare because there's people whose job is to deny people Health care that deserve it. That's how because that's how they save money Which is that's crazy to think of but that's I mean, what is the alternative? Socialized medicine the problem with that is it doesn't incentivize doctors to be the best I want my doctor to drive a fucking Porsche Yeah, all my doctor to have a 9-eleven turbo and a nice watch It's it's you know, you're right because you want the smartest people to be the doctors My doctor drive a fucking Porsche. I want my doctor to have a 911 turbo and a nice watch.

No, you're right, because you want the smartest people to be the doctors. You don't want them running hedge funds. There's a lot of probably really smart people running hedge funds. I don't want them doing that shit. I want them fixing diseases. And if there's not enough money in it,

yeah, they're going to go to the hedge fund shit, which is meaningless. So it's like, it is a tricky problem. How do you create a system that incentivizes the most brilliant people to be in positions where they help us all? But how do you make sure that the nefarious actors are not finding ways to squeeze probably the most vulnerable? How do we eliminate nefarious actors from the world or do we ever you can't you can't they're there and They will pop into these positions And I think they're there also to help you appreciate non-nefarious people.

Yeah, like we wouldn't know good unless there is bad. Yeah, that's real. That's a good perspective to have on bad. That's the good and evil struggle forever. That's the yin and the yang. That's it all. It's like that's how the world moves forward. That's how it advances. the yang. That's it all. It's like that's how the world moves forward. That's how it advances.

It protects itself against evil. And then evil tries to find ways through the fucking cracks. They develop better antivirus software. It's a simulation. A little bit, man. It might be. It's gonna be. So maybe it already is.

And maybe it always was. Maybe it always was. And if it's a simulation once maybe it always was. Maybe it always was. And if it's a simulation once, it can be a simulation twice. So if we can create the simulation and we were created as a simulation, that means that we could be like the 20th version of it. And we're probably about to create a way better one with AI. That's probably what AI is.

AI is probably the god of the simulation. We probably lock that motherfucker in, turn it on, then it figures out how to do everything. Do you have any concern about AI? Oh yeah. Yeah. Elon says there's a 20% chance everything goes sideways, but an 80% chance it's an overall net good for humanity.

But 20% chance, like, we're fucked. That's a high number. That's not a good number. That's a high number. I don't like that if I'm playing Russian roulette and I got 10 chambers and I spin that bitch. I don't like there's two bullets in there. Yeah. I don't like that.

That makes me nervous. But I also think you've got a lot of really good, smart people trying to make sure that at the very least, the people here invented before the people in China. Which I think is probably important. Like whoever launches the god first is gonna be in charge of a lot of stuff. It's gonna get fuckin' very strange, Andrew Schultz.

It's already very strange, but it's gonna get even stranger. We'll be here to enjoy it. Yes, sir. We'll be make fun of it. My brother, it's always a good time to sit with you. I love you dog. I love you to death. You're the best you are Tell everybody what's going on? Oh life is on Netflix right now. So check it out man, and Yeah, go check it out. Also go check out Derek Postons. Look at that stash son. Yeah

So I think we're I think we're today we're number two, you know, maybe after this we beat Kate Hudson with Kate Hudson got me man. What day does um, Derek's come out April? I think 16 16. Yeah. Yeah, so make sure you check that out I gotta get him in. Oh, yeah. He's just the fuck bro. He was killing us last night. He said that uh the greatest art ever created is Harry Potter and the greatest art ever created is Harry Potter. And we go like, better than, he's like, he goes, yes, if it's the most consumed, it's the best. And we're like, what about the Bible? He goes, ain't nobody read that shit.

He goes, he goes, ain't nobody read that shit. He goes, he goes, he goes, you might've read like, part of it, but you didn't read the whole Bible. He goes, nobody's stopping at book three. For Harry Potter, bro, He was cooking last night. But yo, go check out his Don't Tell Comedy. He's very funny and a great person. Absolutely.

All right. I love you brother. Love you dog. Peace. Bye everybody.