The Joe Rogan Experience - #2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

Dr Humphries is a conventionally educated medical doctor who was a participant in conventional hospital systems from 1989 until 2011 as an internist and nephrologist. She left her conventional hospital position in good standing, of her own volition in 2011. Since then, she’s been furthering her research into the medical literature on vaccines, immunity, history, and functional medicine. She is the author of "Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History." https://drsuzanne.net Save $20 on your first subscription of AG1 at drinkag1.com/joerogan 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Shrain by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. You just said something that's like very important. You can't be dogmatic when you talk about vaccines or about anything. Yes, it is good to keep an open mind, isn't it? And be flexible and look at a 360-degree view of things rather than your tunnel vision and what you're indoctrinated into,

isn't it? Yeah, and especially if you know that that indoctrination has been on purpose and profitable. And, you know, one of the great things about your book is, first of all, your book's called Dissolving Illusions. I know I've talked about on book is, first of all, your book's called Dissolving Illusions. I know I've talked about it on the podcast a bunch of times, but you also highlight a lot of things that we know are beneficial that somehow or another get lumped into nonsense, like even cinnamon. Yeah.

Cinnamon is a powerful herb, actually, and it's known to be helpful in glucose handling for a lot of diabetics taking it in capsule form now. I noticed at the end of my nephrology career that a lot of my own patients were taking cinnamon capsules, but it also has a lot of vitamin C in it, and I think that was probably one of the keys. A lot of those old remedies that we wrote about, the magic in them probably was the vitamin C in it, and I think that was probably one of the keys. A lot of those old remedies that we wrote about, the magic in them probably was the vitamin C in them. I dismissed all that stuff as total nonsense. I was like, oh, that's hippie nonsense, like echinacea, like get out of here. It's hippie nonsense. Garlic, come on, get out of here. Then the more I've read things, especially like garlic is incredible for staph infections

for some reason. It is. And it doesn't develop drug resistance like a lot of the drugs that are engineered for it. Yeah, the hippies seem to have got it right, I think. Well, it just that whole idea of natural remedies is so just universally dismissed by non-silly people. You know, when you say natural remedies, that's great. If you have a heart attack, go to a doctor, stupid. You know, that's generally people's appeal to authority. But the doctor should be recommending those things too.

Like, they're good too. Like, vitamin D, super important. You know, vitamin A, super important. And one of the things that you talked about in the book is that I think this was really important. When you were talking about the measles vaccine, you were saying that either if you get an infection with measles, just a natural infection,

or if you get the vaccine, you're still gonna get depleted of vitamin A. Like if you get vaccinated for the measles, you should be taking vitamin A as well. Your body's going to get depleted just by getting that shot. They don't tell you that. No, they don't tell you anything. Just Tylenol, which actually makes the vaccine not work as well in addition to causing all kinds of immunological disturbances at the time that you're supposed to be upregulating your immune system against this dreaded disease. Yeah,

but one of the things about the recommended by the white coats and the authorities is that the public believes that so many drugs and remedies are standardized that the conventional medical system gives out. And when you go to actually look at them, and this includes vaccines, even though they're standardized, meaning that the manufacturers are told what the regulations should be in terms of production.

When people go and look at them, they find it's anything but standardized. It's very variable, which is why we see such variability in the results when people receive them. That's only one reason why there's so much variability. And do you think it's the immunity to any legal consequences that has allowed them to sort of operate like this? Well, we certainly saw an explosion of their creativity since 1986. So actually in 1986, you're referring to the National Child Vaccine Injury Act that was

passed in 1986. But before 1986, we had 1976, which was the swine flu vaccine fiasco. And that was a situation where there was so much injury that the vaccine producing companies were no longer able to get insurance. And so they went to the government and they said, we need you to indemnify us. And they did. And so the government absorbed all the lawsuit cases that happened as a result of the guillem barret that happened from then. And so that kind of set a precedent for 1986. So back then, vaccines were just kind of, you know, pieces of microbe or maybe a live

attenuated virus. And then they would put a background of all kinds of hard things inside of it and tell you it was just a clear, beautiful, pure solution. But that's beside the point. So then 1986 comes along because there's so many lawsuits happening because of the diphtheria pertussis tetanus vaccine, that again, the vaccine companies couldn't continue to go on the way they were because they were being sued so much. So then this horrible act was passed, which to some people seemed like a good idea.

And this is always how it goes, is we're going to make you this promise. Yes, yes, yes, we're going to cover all the lawsuits now out of taxes, but it's going to be okay because we're going to pay out these lawsuits and you're going to be fine. If your kid takes one for the team, you're going to be okay. And what happens is after time, after they get their foot in the door, they narrowed down the...they basically have a kangaroo court that decides if you're eligible. And so the qualification tables got narrowed down because in the beginning they were paying

out so much of this. So not only did it make the vaccine companies very, very wealthy and indemnified, but as you alluded to just a minute ago, the creativity of the vaccine companies expanded. So after that, they could add different, what do we call adjuvants, things that stimulate the immune system so the vaccine works better. Then they start, that's why we're able to be in a messenger RNA vaccine situation today, which that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for this indemnification that, you know, the vaccine trials have always been a bit of a joke, but they're even more of a joke today than they were in the beginning.

We've never seen a vaccinated, unvaccinated study that's, that is accepted by the powers that be as, you know, good enough. The vaccinated, unvaccinated studies that they have, they use another vaccine for. You probably know that. So if you're testing a measles vaccine, you know, you could test it against a diphtheria vaccine or a flu shot vaccine is tested against a hepatitis A vaccine. There's no saline placebo because the few studies that exist with saline placebos show how bad the vaccine actually is and how it makes you not only not respond to the disease when it comes around, but more susceptible to it in many cases. Have there been any instances where vaccines have been helpful?

The question of the century, isn't it? Okay. Now, we have to back up a minute because I had that same question, and I had to go dig deep to all the questions you have in your head right now. I had them too at one point. So here I am, a medical doctor working in the field, believing in pretty much everything I was told, giving hundreds if not thousands of vaccines out to my patients, hepatitis B vaccines in particular, flu shots for sure.

I was a nephrologist, kidney specialist in dialysis, et cetera. And initially, you know, we all kind of have an aversion to needles. I think it's a natural human aversion. Some of our kids, we don't, no one's going, oh, I want to go get my vaccines. We're like, you know, okay, fine, sore arm, you get over it. Most of us were lucky enough to get over it. So by the time the first instance of a problem occurred in front of my eyes, I was already a fully seasoned professor of medicine, you know, working in a tertiary care medical center, okay? And so it's been a bit of a process because for me it was the influenza vaccines in 2008-2009 that showed me without a

doubt that vaccines can and do cause kidney failure and put people on dialysis. That that does happen. It can cause hypertension. So we're not told to take a vaccine history in medical school. We're not told to even look there. It's not even part of, especially in adults. But when I did start looking there, I started to see more and more associations. Let's just put it that way. And so first I had to go down the flu vaccine bunny trail.

And every time I went down that flu vaccine bunny trail, guess what I was asked? What about polio? So I thought, all right, even though this has absolutely zero to do with polio, because I'm watching people crap out in front of me after influenza vaccines, let's see about polio. Because I knew very little about polio, just like most people walking around out there

do, that, you know, it was invented by this guy named Jonas Salk, and it saved humanity, and we don't see these little crippled kids anymore, we don't have iron lungs anymore, yay. Well, I would have to say that the polio bunny trail was the darkest one of all. And so after polio then became smallpox. And I thought, you know, we still have people walking the earth that have experienced the polio years. So I kind of like to stick to polio because most of the smallpox, you know, people that would have been familiar with it are off the planet. But there's still some doctors around that will talk about smallpox. There's a guy named Thomas Mack who's probably close to 90 who was kind of ground zero in the 1940s and knows a lot about it and still says we shouldn't

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Yeah. Right, this is the one that everybody points to. We don't have crippled kids. When you look at the historical timeline of polio, what do you think caused it to go to essentially not be a problem anymore? You don't think vaccinations had anything to do with that? Well, I also, it's not what I think, because that's the thing. Like, look, when I got into this, I didn't say, oh, you know, I want to argue that vaccines are great.

I said, look, I don't care. I didn't have skin in the game. I didn't have vaccine-injured kids. I couldn't have cared less about it, essentially, except that it was something in front of me and didn't make sense. So I thought, wherever the truth falls, that's what I'm going to talk about. So what I say is that...

What the facts line up to show you is that polio is still here. Polio is still alive and well. Polio is called different things today. Whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. The playing field, the goalposts, everything was changed so that despite the fact that there was more paralytic polio in the years after that vaccine was introduced, they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it. And

they started testing for the virus where before they would never test for the virus. And when they started testing for the virus later, what they would never test for the virus. And when they started testing for the virus later, what they would find that people had Guillain-Barre syndrome, they didn't have virus, or they had Coxsackie virus, or Echovirus, or they were lead poisoned, or mercury poisoned, which was that mercury and lead were the leading treatments of the day, including blood leading. They were telling people to take your cigarette

and put a little bit of arsenic in there. It's good for your lungs. Yeah. They were literally blowing smoke up people's butts. Like that, that's where the term comes from. Cause there, if you want to Google that now, you'll see that there's an instrument that does it. Yeah. So, um, yeah, the polio story, where to even begin. And so there's about 70 pages. And so that became my obsession. when people said what about polio and I started digging this up, I went deep into it Did you dive into pesticides? Yes. Yes, you have to dive into pesticides Because the tonnage of production of DDT absolutely mirrored the the diagnosis for polio in the days and the countries that still make

DDT today is where we're still seeing this paralytic polio situation happen. And also weren't the first cases did they break out in a rural community? The first cases of polio, yes. In the United States, paralytic polio. Yes, it was out in the countryside. Well that was probably more because of the sheep and cow dipping. So arsenic, you'd have to look at arsenic, you have to look at the mercurials, you have to look at the calcium arsenate, lead arsenate sprays that were put on trees. But what you're talking about in particular, they would call the cow disease. They would go out and the family, when you would go to the house, they'd say, all the kids have the cow disease, what the cows had before. Well,

what were they doing? They would have this trenches. You talk to farmers, even today. Oh, yeah, we had trenches, we would just walk them straight through and I'd be soaked with the stuff by the end of the day. Oh my God. Yeah. So they're basically soaking and bathing in arsenic, which is great for killing fleas and ticks, but it's not really great for keeping your nervous system happy because the fact of the matter is, and this again, I've got medical references, everything.

I can't get away with making stuff up, okay? I have to put a reference for everything, but arsenic causes the exact same spinal pathology that, and fevers and everything, it literally mimics what they were calling polio and polio virus back in the day. I read this crazy statistic, and I still can't believe it's real, that 95 to 99 percent of all polio is asymptomatic. That's exactly right. So polio virus is what we call a commensal,

just like you have staph on your skin and strep on your skin and it actually serves a purpose. It keeps other microbes in check as long as you don't get a cut and have not a good immune system to deal from the inside out. So polio, the reason I can say that polio is a commensal is because again there are medical studies that showed that people who dared to get on the edge of some of these wild native tribes down in South America or elsewhere, but in particular I'm talking about a South American tribe called the Javante Indians. So the Indian Health Service got to the edge of it and bargained that they would get some stool and some blood from the tribes so that they could test it for polio.

And what they found was 98 to 99% of every person they tested, and it was hundreds of people, had evidence of immunity to all three strains of polio. And they said to them, well, where are all your crippled children? Where's your short legs? Where are the people that died of respiratory failure? And they were like, we don't have any of that problem.

So it was well known. Could it possibly be that whatever you're calling polio evolved and became less powerful over time and more contagious? That does happen with some viruses, right? Most viruses in nature don't become more problematic as they go through the human system. They become less problematic. Remember the whole COVID thing. Like in the beginning, people were getting super, super sick. It wasn't as contagious, but it was more virulent.

And as it attenuated into the human bodies, it sort of fizzled out a bit. And then we got the Omicron, which was less, it was more spreadable, but it was much less pathological. And that's the natural process that happens. So when you're gonna have real problems with microbes, they're usually going to be reverse attenuated, meaning made more lethal in a lab, and then they're introduced into the population.

And, look, I'm not making this up either. 1916, Upper East Side, Manhattan, there was a Rockefeller lab that their specific stated goal was to try to create the most pathological, neuropathological strain of polio possible. And they did that by taking monkey brains and human spinal serum and injecting it into monkeys. And there was a big problem with that, which was released into the public by accident. And the world experienced the worst polio epidemic on record, 25% mortality, that's unheard of, really freaked the public out. But as it, and you can see the epicenter as it fanned out, and as it fanned out and as

time went on, never heard of it again, it attenuates as it moves through the body because it's a normal human commensal that goes back to its normal state when it's in a human. That's generally what happens. If you have a highly lethal virus and it kills a lot of people, those people are dead. They can't spread anything. So that's kind of a different story if you want to talk about hantavirus or something like that. But as far as polio goes, no, polio was only made more lethal by the stupid things that humans did around it. So make it more invasive into the body, just like you can go do stupid things and end up with herpes outbreaks and, you know, staph outbreaks. Polio virus is a normal commensal.

It used to be until we obliterated it with oral vaccines and replaced it with vaccine strain, but the wild strains are normal human commensals. So there's vaccine-strain polio that just comes from a vaccine and is transmissible? Absolutely. Today it would be the oral polio vaccines because they're the live strains and they're still giving them pulse fashion all throughout India. They did a campaign a few years back in Israel and they always say that a nomad came and pooped in the sewage system and, pooped in the sewage system and

they find it in the sewage system and they don't want an outbreak to happen so they treat everybody. So that's today the most common reason to see poliomyelitis disease from a virus. If you test for a virus, they'll usually find the vaccine virus. And that's why today we don't remember when we were kids because we're about the same age I think. They would give us the sugar cube. Maybe you didn't, but I did. I got the sugar cube and that was the live vaccine.

Well, they stopped doing that because after a while the only cases of polio, and it became so obvious that the only cases of polio we were seeing related to a virus when they tested for polio virus were vaccine strains. So then they started injecting us again. But the early injections caused more paralytic polio than it prevented. And that's the part that people don't understand when they say, what about polio? Because they, like you, just go, well, there's no more iron lungs, there's no more crippling, there's no more these little poor little kids walking around with their casts.

Well, that's not true, because the iron lung is now called a ventilator. So that's out the window. Transverse myelitis, which there are about 1,300 cases, I think it's a month diagnosed in one particular, I put a quote in here on that. But transverse myelitis is actually something that would have absolutely, it follows the same pathology as polio, would have been called polio back in the day. So we still have polio that we had in 1953 because in 1953 all you had to have to be diagnosed as polio, anyone could diagnose you, just one examination with

one set of muscles being paralyzed. There was no time frame on it. There was no testing done on it. And then it was considered a public service to do it because then you were eligible for funding. So, what do they call it again? Can you say that word again? Myelitis? Poliomyelitis is the definition of the actual pathology, you know. So it basically means inflammation of the gray matter of your spinal cord. That's what polio in Greek, poliomyelitis. It means gray matter inflammation, poliomyelitis.

Poliomyelitis is what happens in the body. Okay, if you want to talk about what causes it, then okay, maybe in some cases a polio virus causes it and all the other things we just mentioned, arsenic, lead arsenate, calcium arsenate, injections, tonsillectomies were huge cause of some of the worst cases of poliomyelitis. And in fact, injections and tonsillectomies and unnecessary surgeries were put on hold during the years where the epidemics were the worst. So that's just proof that even the surgeons knew that. Why, how does it affect it?

Okay, so if you happen to have poliomyelitis circulating in your body, that's not just sitting in your intestines and say it made its way into your body, because we can, things can go from your intestines into your body that's not just sitting in your intestines and say it made its way into your body, because we can. Things can go from your intestines into your body. And you happen to have it close to a nerve that's, say, around your throat, and then you go and take tonsils out, then what you've done is you've given that access to the blood

compartment, the lymph compartment, and the brain stem, which is right there, local. So those are the people that would get what was called bulbar polio, which is the ones that put you on a ventilator. And it's highly lethal. It's the worst kind of polio to get, bulbar polio. And it was very well known to have been coincident with tonsillectomies. Not only that, but tonsillectomies changed the structure and antibodies and the immunity that occurred in the throat and changed

it for the worse, not for the better. Do you think they're unnecessary? Or is there sometimes when people have to get their tonsils removed or is it just a nonsense practice? Okay, so again, it's not just a cut and dry answer because let's just say that anyone who's ever brought their child to me because the tonsils were touching or they were snoring has not had to have a tonsillectomy. Now, does that mean that a tonsillectomy won't solve that problem where you're snoring and, you know, your kids may be not oxygenating?

No. If you let it go that long, probably you're going to need a tonsillectomy. But I have seen so many cases reverse. It's a very easy thing to do. But as doctors, we're not taught about all the things that you were talking about earlier, the natural remedies, but just simply gargling with a solution of sodium ascorbate, vitamin C, can make a huge difference. Because tonsils are like, they're like porous golf balls, if you want to think of them that way. They've

got pits in them. And so food you eat and bacteria and pus can build up. But if you just start rinsing the outsides of them and start nourishing the body from the inside and getting rid of things that the kid might be allergic to, which almost every kid's going to eat if your parent doesn't know better, it can make a remarkable difference in these kids that have these huge tonsils. So I think that a lot, I think everything else

should be done first before taking out the tonsils if there's time. Because I'd say 95% to 99 percent of the time you can prevent that child from needing their tonsils removed. Before we go to smallpox, I want to talk about this because you just brought it up. One of the things that Brett Weinstein has explained to me is that aluminum is when that the concept is that giving someone a shot with aluminum in it and triggering an immune response if they're eating certain foods during that time they can then develop an allergy to those foods like

certain people with peanuts and various things like that. That used to be very common for people to eat, but then a bunch of people developed like pretty severe food allergies. And he makes this connection that he believes is a reasonable connection to say that there's something... Absolutely, 100%. And it's not just something he's dreamed up. Again, provable medical literature in the book, Dissolving Illusions. The physiology, the pathologies known. It's very well known that

the vaccines that have aluminum in them skew the immune system. So the immune system kind of just, if you want to break it down really simply, you have your TH1 arm and your TH2 arm. Your TH1 arm is a really important one. Those are your T cells, you know, your lymphocytes, the cells that, you know, chew up any garbage that's going around. That's the part you want activated in any infection you have, whether it's COVID or measles or smallpox or whatever. And then you have your TH2 arm, which is there mostly to deal with parasites and things like that, and it's mostly an antibody arm of immunity. That's the one that vaccinologists are obsessed with, making sure there's enough antibody. So the vaccines that have aluminum in them, as opposed to the live attenuated vaccines, which don't have aluminum, all the other ones do. So your DTAP is going to

have aluminum in them. All your killed vaccines are going to have aluminum in them. And that is very well known to trigger that TH2 response, which is the allergic response, which can set up your body for autoimmunity. And so part of the purpose of, you know, breastfeeding, which has been a part of the blueprint for humanity and every other mammal, is that the mother is able to introduce antigens in the world to her baby through her own breast and things that she's been eating and breathing in, and then the baby's able to develop tolerance. So while vaccine scientists are obsessed with getting antibodies and ramping up an infant's inadequate immune system, the fact of the matter is that it's more important to learn

what not to react to when your immune system's developing rather than to becoming defensive against every microbe that could get you. So that's kind of the paradox there and kind of one of the battlegrounds for, you know, immunology within immunology and for those of us out here that are going, what are you doing here, you know? Anyway, that... You were also talking in your book about the importance of breast milk and the amount of nutrition that's in breast milk for a child and what it does for a child and the differences in their immune system,

the differences in a lot of different aspects of their development, which is pretty fascinating. And most people kind of just assume it's food. It's just food, but it's a lot more than that. It's so much more than that. And I was actually quite startled when I really went down that rabbit hole to see, not only, I mean, it is food. It's excellent

nutrition with short chain fatty acids and sugars that the baby needs. It actually trains your gut to be healthy in the long run as an adult, which trains your immune system as well. But what that mother is putting through her breast milk, you know, things like something called HAMLET, H-A-M-L-E-T, which stands for human alpha-lactalbumin-made lethal to tumors. And this is a substance, this is a protein, it's like a transformer protein that can literally turn into a cancer-busting molecule that is being used by the oncology industry, okay? And when it's not in that form, it's a powerful protein that fights off pertussis, all kinds of pneumococcal bacteria. And when it's not doing that, it's food. Okay? So it's like,

it's got so many different purposes. Stem cells are coming through that mother's milk. Activated T cells. Activated T cells have another substance in them that is kind of hijacked by the oncology industry, and that is when they're immunosuppressing kids for leukemia or whatever, and they come in contact, say, with chickenpox, what they can do is get somebody like me, who's immune to chickenpox naturally, and take my memory T cells that remember that, and there's a substance in there called dialyzable leukocyte extract. When you put that into another child, even if whether they eat it or inject it into them,

it transfers cellular, that TH1 important arm of immunity I just told you, it transfers it onto them and protects them for a long time. So that's kind of in the old days when mothers had measles in the old days and normally, and they were able to pass this powerful immunity through that DLE factor as well as all these other things, including preformed immune globulins. I mentioned something like 80,000 stem cells. It's just incredible. And we still have only hit the tip of the iceberg in terms of what we know about breast

milk. But breast milk also, it's been proven again that if you are going to vaccinate your baby, if you're breastfeeding, the vaccine will bring that baby more into a TH1. If you're not breastfeeding and you're giving formula, that baby's going to move more into a TH2 in response to that vaccine. So like, I think if most women understood the powers of breast milk, they would do everything possible to be able to do it. I think you make a very compelling point for that. I just, I think it's arrogant that we

could assume that we could replace something with a... I mean, have you ever read the ingredients of formula? Yeah. Like, how could that be good? I know. Parasites, we have parasites that have been parasites upon humanity for such a long time. And that's what happens is that something is discovered. And for some people, maybe it can be a good idea,

but then the parasites take it and want to. So when it came to breastfeeding, it was you don't have to do that. You don't have to bother yourself like that. You don't have to pull your boobs out in public. You don't have to become a dairy cow. You don't have to pull your boobs out in public. You don't have to become a dairy cow. Just strap them down. The milk will stop.

And then you can start putting this wonderful. When I was a kid, I was fed soy milk in a warm plastic bag. That was the fad then grown up. So the formula industry is a huge moneymaker. And some women do prefer it. Fortunately, 75% of women in the USA today do initiate breastfeeding. So that's very much better than the polio days when almost nobody was breastfeeding and they were using milk in the infant formula that had been contaminated

by what the cows were eating. Oh my God. And so that was another part of the polio story that's not been told. So the cows were all eating these pesticides. Yes. And herbicides. Yes. And the cows were getting sick with it.

And then these people were drinking the milk from that cow and getting sick as well. Oh, well, the cows wouldn't have been necessarily getting sick from it, but it would be concentrating in their milk. And so the milk would have been expressed. But you just brought me back to another place. Cows were also used during the smallpox era. And what you're saying is true about that. So they would basically take what they thought would.

Sorry, it's just so dark that sometimes you have to laugh. But they would take pus from other animals, scratch it into the belly of a cow, then take the pus off of the big pimples that would form on the belly of a cow. The cow could become very sick, and yet that cow could still be butchered up at the butcher shop. The butcher would get sick with pemphigus or some hand and mouth disease or, you know,

the things that the cows normally catch. And so those cows could still be used to produce meat in those cases. I don't know that it was used to produce milk. I don't think that would have... I don't know, but I know it was used to produce meat because the butchers were getting sick and the people that were eating the meat were getting sick. And certainly the people that took the vaccines that had certain who knows what in them, because it was shown like into the 1970s, 80s, and even recently I have a reference from after the year 2000 that there was more bacteria and fungus in the smallpox vaccines than there was smallpox virus.

So it was because they had this thing called pure lymph, which was pus that came out of horse's foot or a donkey's pus skin or a cadaver of a human or a cow's ulcerating udders and scraped into glycerin and called pure lymph and marketed all over the world as a ... Look, Joe, this was our success. This is the one vaccine that eradicated a disease. Can you believe that fairy tale? I'll tell you another one. Like it doesn't get crazy. This is our success. This vaccine that I have described in great detail with what was in it and what people saw under microscopes and then later tested

genetically was what was called a quasi-species, meaning they don't even...after a while, it became its own thing. It wasn't from a horse anymore. It wasn't from a human anymore. They called it humanized horsepox when they when they genetically characterized the dry Vax and then ordered that every dry Vax specimen on the planet be destroyed. I think that was around 2009. Why did they do that? Good question. I don't know. Hiding the evidence, possibly. But they now have a new vaccine, which doesn't work. But they wanted to bring this one back when I was in my peak of my career in 2003.

I got a letter on my desk stating that they needed people to get vaccinated for smallpox so that those other people that were getting vaccinated would have somebody that could treat them that would be immune to smallpox because it's well known that if you get a smallpox vaccine and you get these horrible scabs that you're going to spread smallpox and you're going to have a horrible itchy time of secondary infections. You will need a doctor at some point. Well, it turns out that the trials that they did on super healthy people, soldiers that

were in top shape, were so bad in terms of cardiac disease and other diseases that the government put it on hold for a second and said, oh no, no, we can't do this. Meanwhile, guess what? They were using the same vaccine in the 1700s and 1800s, late 1700s, all through the 1800s into the 1900s, they would sometimes – you probably saw the picture of the child's arm considered a good take. Five huge ulcers on the arm with sanitation being what it was, no antibiotics. Can you imagine having your baby have five scars on its arm, ulcerating from these things, having fevers. Sometimes the

arms became necrotic. Sometimes the disease spread all over the place and there was nothing to give them except bloodletting, mercurials, and arsenicals and heating them up in a dark room with no sunlight. That was the treatment for smallpox. So you tell me why smallpox was so lethal. This episode is brought to you by Farmers Dog. It doesn't matter how old your dog is, it's always a great time to start investing in their health and happiness. And thankfully, the Farmers Dog makes it easier than ever to feed your dog a healthy diet of real meat and veggies.

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You can get 50% off your first box of food plus free shipping. Just go to the farmers dog dot com slash Rogan tap the banner or visit this episode's page to learn more offer available for new customers only Well, what's fascinating also is that most people aren't aware of the just the general public health conditions during the time of the smallpox outbreak. That's right. And just the way people lived is almost unheard of. You wouldn't be able to imagine just the smell of human feces everywhere. Like streets were filled without houses, there was animal shit in the streets, there was

no sanitation, there's no running water. It's a disaster. It's a disaster and there's no good food. So you got malnutrition. You're exposed to numerous pathogens and just waste. You probably have fecal matter on everything. It's probably unavoidable. It tracks in your house. It's everywhere you go. It's your drinking water. Your drinking water was a pit. You would skim the top off for your drinking water back then. And we know that co-infections make any primary infection worse. You know, if you have measles and you get a co-infection, it makes it worse. COVID with a co-infection, anything makes it worse. You end up with, you know, pneumonias and pus pockets in your lungs. So yeah, thank you

for that description. I don't think I could have done it much better myself. Soterios Johnson That's the... Danielle Pletka That was normal. Soterios Johnson It's go watch Gangs of New York. Danielle Pletka Yeah. Soterios Johnson That's obviously a drama and, you know, it's probably not completely accurate, but I bet it's pretty close. Danielle Pletka Yeah. Soterios Johnson But it's pretty close to how people lived

back then. Danielle Pletka Yeah. The slums, like you can actually, like in here, it's not all medical articles quoted. Some of the quotes that we use are historical quotes from anthropologists that would go through the slums in New York. The Ellis Island was just bringing people in, bringing people in, and they would sometimes have 20 people in one room with no privy, dark, you know. Like you say, the sewage would run underneath the house, so the smell of it would be coming up through the whole time. And then you'd have them working 16 hours a day at the age of anything upwards of four

to five years old could be sent to either coal mines or canneries to bring money in for the families to barely survive. So people weren't being paid very well. But you just said smallpox being what it was. But what people don't realize is that in the 1600s, late 1680s, doctors were describing smallpox as one of the easiest diseases to treat if you simply just supported the human. Again, quoted that. And then what happened is the Industrial Revolution and people were taken with the Land Enclosure Act out from the farms and brought into cities, which didn't

have the pigs basically were the garbage men back then. So the pigs ran wild, thank God, because if they didn't, it would have been even worse. Horses were your cars, so your horse were dumping everywhere. Some people just, they said there was a foot of horse manure to get through to walk across the street. So it was horrible in pretty much every way you can think of, and then the human oppression on top of it in terms of the poverty that was there,

and the wealthy elite at the top kind of living the living the good life but it was starting to filter up to them at some point which is why it was actually individual people that sponsored the first public drinking fountains and things like that was probably partly to save themselves because if you can if you can stop disease from rent running rampant through society look they still had to go into the cities to get things. Right. And even if you sent your servant into the city, your servant could bring you home something lovely from the city. Yeah.

This is not the picture that was painted when we were children of what society was like. No, we were told that this vaccine was so important and it was so effective that we don't need it anymore. I actually ended up with one when I was very young. I think what we're talking about when we're saying the conditions, that these conditions aren't known to most people and that these conditions coincide with these diseases.

And it's probably not just a correlation. So the conditions correlate with the diseases and the conditions also correlate with the death rates. OK. And so there were many of the diseases that we're talking, say just diarrhea. Do you know diarrhea killed more people in the Civil War than bullets? Yeah. And lots of other wars. Diarrhea. Diarrhea can be caused by lots of things, nothing that we vaccinate for essentially. Well, I mean, today there's rotavirus, but that wasn't a thing then. It was more, you know, typhus and things like that. So, and cholera. Are they getting it from water?

Yeah, that's what that would have been, because they would be out, you know, in the in the bush or the trenches, you know, drinking what they could. So, drinking what they could. So redirect me again. We're just talking about the... Okay. So the diseases that there were never any vaccines for, we see the death rate come down at the same exact avalanche as the diseases that we did vaccinate for. And in some cases, there's a little blip when the vaccine comes up and things get worse for a bit and then come back down. So again, the point of the book was just interpreting the data that's existed for a really long time, vital statistics throughout the world, as to the decline in death

rate. In some cases, disease rates went down too, but the most important thing was the death rate because that's what people... your baby could die, you have to have a vaccine, right? It's not your baby could have a rash. So different diseases have different severities and different solutions and different ways to treat them so that they never have to present to a hospital. But like you said, back in those days, the pharmacies basically had your mercurials, arsenicals, if you were lucky, some homeopathics. That was pretty much medicine back then until aspirin was invented, which was probably one of the reasons why the 1918 flu looked as bad as it did, because they were giving people up to 10 grams of aspirin a day, which can cause pulmonary edema in a healthy person.

So... So what was the logic behind the arsenics and the mercurials? How did that become an approach that they use for medicine? Oh, well, I don't know actually. Don't know the answer to why they started doing that. Those are two really bad things. Well, I'll tell you how they prescribed it is they would say, give one grain until emesis occurs. That means throwing up. So give it until a person throws up because back then

they believed that if they could get you to throw up, they thought bringing stuff out of your body was good. Bloodletting, throwing up, and diarrhea. And so that was the threshold for giving a lot of these drugs. So they thought instead, how can you get someone to have diarrhea as a doctor? Okay, well, we can give them mercurials and arsenicals. That will do the trick. And so they thought that they could purge the body by doing that. Arsenic in medicine past present and future. Yeah. Okay paradoxically as a therapeutic agent that has been used since ancient times for the treatment of multiple diseases so does it actually cure some stuff in small doses? Well what could it cure if you have a dead patient or a patient with

neuropathy you haven't really cured anyone have you? Right, what could it cure if you have a dead patient or a patient with neuropathy? You haven't really cured anyone, have you? Right. Well, isn't it dose dependent, right? It says arsenic trioxide, the active ingredient in the traditional Chinese medicine, was shown to produce dramatic remission of acute poly... You could say that word, ma'am. Promyelocytic leukemia. Thank you. Yeah. Similar to the effect of... But then they decided that vitamin A could do it, okay? Right, transretinoic acid. So retinoic acid, which is vitamin A? Yeah. Okay, that's interesting. Well, I would say vitamin A is probably less risky. I'd say it's less risky for vitamin A than arsenic. I mean, is it a different kind of arsenic? Slightly different kind of arsenic? Or a lower dose of

arsenic? Is that? They would they measured things in grains back then so I guess that's probably like maybe like a milligram something like that. But the Chinese medicine is probably the root of it right why they thought it was medicine? Could be. But maybe they use the wrong arsenic or that's possible. I guess you start trying the things that you have right? mercury is a crazy one though Haven't they known that's poison forever? like

These in the same thing or no, I don't know it's a fascinating metal because it's Metal yeah a lot of people played with it when they were kids I know some of the smartest people I know talk about how they played with the mercury ball when they were little yikes And it's in thermometers and obviously it works quite well. There's a use for mercury. But the reason that it's put into the, it was actually in the MMR vaccines and some of the flu vaccines is because it's an antimicrobial. They'll kill everything. So maybe that was part of that, because it will kill everything.

It will kill the microbes in a petri dish. So in order to, because this is one of the realities of vaccine manufacture, which I want your audience to understand, is that vaccines, while it might look like just a clear liquid, in order to make a vaccine, you have to have either a cow that you put ulcers on and scrape the pus off, or you can evolve it as it had evolved to maybe getting, you know, some tumor cells that came out of a cocker spaniel's kidney or monkey balls or monkey kidneys. And you plate those cells out and then you inoculate it with what you want to grow to

put in your vaccine later. But in order to keep those cells alive, you have to put animal blood on it, you have to put different nutrients on top of it, you have to put animal blood on it. You have to put different nutrients on top of it. You have to put antibiotics, canimisin, you know, things like that related to the COVID. Here mercury. Okay, so in the end, you can kill, you can make sure when you have your final product that if you put a little bit of mercury in there, that it's less likely for any of the fungus or the spores or the bacteria or the adventitious viruses that you didn't know

about that were there before will be in your final product. Wonderful. So you have a product now that you can be not completely sure has any of these deadly microbes but now has mercury, which the only places it's actually okay to have on the planet, mercury, is in vaccines, your tooth, or toxic landfill. So if you were to drop a vaccine at a vaccine clinic onto the floor, the hazmat guys would come and you're not allowed to just pick it up if it's a mercury-containing vaccine. The hazmat people have to come and take that away. Yet we're okay to take, you know, a portion of that vial and inject it into, you know, a child,

a three-month-old child. How does that work? It doesn't sound logical. And then... Six-month-old, actually. There was also the issue with the different types of mercury, right? There was... Is it methyl and ethyl, the two different? Methyl and ethyl. Yeah. Apparently, ethyl is good and methyl is bad, according to Paul Offit, a senior vaccine scientist. But the fact of the matter is, once mercury is methylated, like fish can methylate mercury and they can get rid of it. Once we demethylate mercury,

it's in us until you do something like something called chelation where you can put a chemical into the body that can grab onto it and pull it out through your urine. Otherwise you're stuck with it. So in my opinion, all mercury is bad, shouldn't be put into humans, shouldn't be in our food sources, shouldn't be in our environment, except for in the net. Look, you can even find uranium in nature, right? It's what people do to it to concentrate it and how they use it that becomes a problem.

Wasn't the issue that one of them, I don't know, it's methyl or ethylmercury, leaves the body quicker? Yes, it's ethylmercury that leaves the body quicker because methyl is a chemical that gets put onto it naturally. And apparently, I'm not an expert on mercury poisoning, but apparently methylmercury, we don't have the ability to excrete. But ethylmercury, we do. Yeah. But wasn't there also an issue that it crosses the blood-brain barrier? Well, anytime there's inflammation, anything can cross the blood-brain barrier.

It's the aluminum that we really know crosses the blood-brain barrier. And that's still in vaccines today. And yeah, anyway, we get into blood-brain barrier if you want to. That's a whole other story. But yeah, so mercury, obviously, it can get into the brain. It's found in the brain. It can get into, you know, your adrenals and your other glands and important areas of your body.

And even...the thing is that even at such low levels can cause problems. No neurotoxin. It has no place for circulating or being deposited in the human body in any form. But isn't it fascinating that they've done such a good job promoting this, that people are gonna get outraged at what you're saying?

They've done such a good job. Welcome to my life. And you've got a lot of courage. I don't want to commend you for that because writing that book and being here talking about it takes a lot of courage. It's from regular people who want to believe the vaccine. They're scarier than anybody. The people that are just rabid vaxxers and they stand for science like they're the warriors

for science and they get very aggressive about it and they don't science, like they're the warriors for science, and they get very aggressive about it, and they don't even want to breach the subject. They don't even want to look at it. Because the more you look at it, if you're a logical, rational person without like a deep-seated ideology attached to vaccines, and you just look at the reality of it, you just go, what is this? How did you trick people into injecting, how many a year now for kids? What is it?

In the 70s, I believe we're in the 70s. That's insane. And then you want to demonize anybody who says anything about vaccine side effects. You are the craziest of kooks. They come down you with the hardest publicity campaign, it's so transparent, you see it coming a mile away and you're still shocked by how blatant it is and no one wants to look at the actual issue itself. No one wants to say like, well, is she right? If you read your book, is she right? If you're right and I think you're right,

like we've been lied to, and we've been tricked into thinking that this is all settled science, and that's what's infuriating. It's not that it's anti-science. It's like, this is not science. What you guys are doing is not science. You've subverted, you've perverted that notion and you've done it in an amazing way. I mean, hats off to you.

What they've done in terms of like brainwashing people to believe that all this is, it's not just necessary but it saved millions of lives and anybody that is against it in any way, shape or form is a quack and you should be deplatformed and never talked about again and polite public society and cocktail parties, you'll be shunned. Yeah. Well, the way they were able to get away with it is 226 years worth of propaganda. Because the fact of the matter is that ever since the beginning of smallpox vaccines, there have been vaccine deaths. The reason and look, we've added I brought you a special copy. This is a limited edition. In the 10th anniversary edition, we added 200 pages.

We added a chapter called The White Plague. The White Plague is also tuberculosis. Tuberculosis was a side effect of the smallpox vaccine. Tuberculosis rates were rampant. In fact, the inventor of the smallpox vaccine, his child died of tuberculosis and so did his two test subjects that he used. And it was well known to follow smallpox. Lots of doctors talked about it. But in about two or three years after the vaccine was accepted in England,

you hear doctors speaking out about it, cursing the day they ever agreed to do it to people, to children, to anybody. And so what happened is that the government came down harder and started making it mandatory and would take your furniture away and started intimidating the doctors. And that's an age old thing as well. And I experienced it in any doctor that's ever stepped out of line and said something bad about vaccines will either be intimidated or worse. So, 220 years of propaganda, 226 years of propaganda. And so, I'm just going to give you one example, and I'll give you a copy of this to have, and you can put it up later if you want. But in 1984, because there was so much going on in terms of the public learning about the problems with the diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis

vaccine, and the polio vaccines, that a federal register was issued by the government and went to all health departments in the United States, which is supposed to have just kept there and never circulated. And it said, quote, any doubts whether or not well-founded about the safety of the vaccination program must not be allowed to exist. That's literally what it said. It's straight out of, you know, Lenin. So you had that, then you have the changing of the goalposts, and the app outright lies within scientism, because it's not science. It's the religion that calls itself science, and we still are a victim of that today. Most science today is sponsored by the very people that are going

to profit from it. And I think even, look, even Jenner, who invented the smallpox fancy, never did a scientific study. He never did a controlled study. He never did non-vaccinated people, vaccinated people, and then expose them to smallpox in a large enough group. He would cowpox them and then expose them to smallpox. And it was well known that smallpox followed cowpox. So it's just been... Look, again, I never expected to be here. I just wanted to be a healer. I just wanted to be a doctor. I wanted to be a nephrologist and teach medical students and make the world a better place for people. That's all I ever wanted. This is a nightmare for me, actually, to, while

I've met some incredible people and I've had a really good life and I have no regrets and I would do it all again, no doctor wants to be put in a position where their integrity is doubted, their sanity is doubted. And if you want to pull up a page called, it is called Rational Wiki, I think, maybe? Anyway, I'm considered a Sith Lord, a very, and in fact, I didn't know what a Sith Lord was back then. I had to actually look it up, so I'm like Darth Vader. So it was a bit of a compliment, but on the other hand, most doctors can't tolerate being called quacks or having the reputation destroyed. And you know, I went from treating the CEO of actually the head of the laboratory at

my hospital for hypertension to becoming, you know, somebody that was doubted on every levels after a while because of one thing that I said, which was, can we stop giving vaccines to my sick patients, to people who are having chemotherapy while they're having chemotherapy, to my patient before I've even seen them on the ward. Can we just hold this up and give it to them on the day of discharge? That was my request in the beginning. That's how this all landed here. And had they not tried to intimidate me, doubt me, and pushed me to research and show that

what I saw was actually real, I would still be lockstep working as a regular doctor because there were some good things about it. So, look, even if you look at what happened with COVID, let's just look at that. Like, how did they pass this off? Look at the media today. Do you know that they're giving COVID vaccines to six-month-old children now? We know how bad it is. We know that it ruins stem cells in pregnant women. They don't give stem cells to their babies. The industry is upset because the placentas no longer have stem cells. They used to use those stem cells in research and cosmetics, et cetera. They're not getting them anymore because what the COVID shots did to the placentas and those infants, that's not being talked about in the media.

Nothing bad about the shots being talked about when we have Kevin McKernan and all these people looking at it going, there's SV40 in it. There was a staphylococcal endotoxin gene. There were two snake genes in there. You know, it's a definite gain of function. Nope. We got to put it on the vaccine, the baby vaccine schedule, because any doubts whether or not well-funded about the vaccination must not be allowed to exist. That's why. That sounds like a religion. And it's been gone on. It sounds like a cult. It sounds like a crazy cult that the whole world's been sucked into.

Giving a COVID shot to a baby today is insane. Three of them. They get three by the certain... You'd have to look up the schedule, but I believe it starts at six months and they get three of them kind of boom, boom, boom. Are doctors really recommending this? It's on the... Look, there's a group of people called ACIP, the doctors, usually with vaccine interests

in their bank accounts that make the recommendations for the vaccines, and they have recommended that six-month-old. So if your doctor is following the ACIP program, you have to be offered that vaccine. And now that doctor... This is another part of the story, is that doctor's likely to lose $250,000 a year if they don't do that because there's incentive given to hospitals and doctors, which is what naively I was on the other end of when I woke up in 2008 and said, wait a minute, why are we doing this stuff to my sick, inflamed patients? You're giving them more inflammation.

It's because the hospital would lose something like $40,000 if they didn't give a vaccine within the first 24 hours of admission. Oh, my God. And they would get $40,000. It was all a money game. That's really the bottom line of it. And I didn't know that until a nurse years ago who was a high-level administration. She said, Suzanne, this is why they did that to you.

Oh, wow. Okay. Well, at least it makes sense now did that to you. Oh, wow. Okay. Well, at least it makes sense now. Nobody wants to think of it as a business. Nobody wants to think you're making business decisions at the expense of someone's health and possibly whether or not they make it. Like, what are you doing? Well, that's been the case since, you know, basically the medical profession was infiltrated

in the early 1900s by, you know, high-level interests that didn't want us thinking for ourselves and carrying on with the natural cures that actually work, carrying on with normal midwifery. There was just so many changes that happened as a result of best practice medicine, not to mention, you know, the forming of the AMA by a couple of real quacks. That's a really good story. And the AMA would give their stamp of approval. So say you created an infant formula. Well, they would say AMA approved and your infant formula would sell even better. Remember when doctors smoked

camels because camels were best? Those were the days. And this is also the time what this coincides with when Rockefeller was designing the school system, right? Well, first Rockefeller, I think oil was one of their primary investments. So that's the pharmaceutical aspect of it. That's right. Yeah. Oh, so you want to talk about the school system.

No, but he did both, right? He was a part of both. So he was a part of the... The reason why natural cures are so easily dismissed and why it's so dismissed, because Rockefeller put the entire medical establishment on oil-based, so all pharmaceutical drugs that are made by using oil. And he did it because he sold oil. You know, the irony is it kind of works. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, I got rid of a really bad case of mange in a dog by kerosene, putting kerosene diluted in olive oil. And they had been through everything. They could not get rid of this really bad case of mange in a dog by kerosene, putting kerosene diluted in olive oil. And they had been through everything. They could not get rid of this mange on this beautiful dog. Oh, wow. That's crazy. It was a cane corso dog. That worked. Yeah, so.

Mange is horrible for dogs. Really bad. But one spray, it was done. I had a dog that I picked up. You have to keep her careful around the, like, you know, flames and stuff. I had a dog that I picked up off the street and took her in, and she had horrible mange. But it all went away with just food. I just gave her healthy food.

No, it can't. Joe, come on. You had to have an expert help you. No kerosene, no nothing. Just love. Food? Food and love. That was an argument I had in the hallway

once with the senior chief of medicine. He was like, he would always say, so how are you today? And normally, he'd be like, so how are you today? Normally be like, good, you know, superficial. I said, by the way, I'm having real trouble with the H1N1 vaccine, my patient's getting kidney failure after getting it. And he turned dark on me.

I never saw him dark before. And he said, no, they just didn't have time to take effect. And of course, then I heard every kind of sound bite in the book from him, which I didn't know were sound bites at the time. And then he said, well, what do you think has happened with meningitis in these college kids? I'm like, oh, come on, that's a total no-brainer. It's like their nutrition goes down the tubes when they leave home. They're smoking, they're staying up all night long, they're hanging out with their

pals. They're doing everything they couldn't do when they were at home. Oh, you've got to be kidding me. So you think it's their food that's causing problems? And I was like, well, what medical school did you go to? Like, I was actually taught that nutrition matters and how it matters and why it matters, but that's been almost completely through. Like, if you want to sneak vitamin C into somebody's hospital room, you know the best way to do it? Don't bring in a jar of vitamin C because they will stop that at the door. You get yourself a McDonald's milkshake or a burger and you just dump that milkshake out and you put something else in there, a smoothie with some vitamin C

and they will say off you go that's perfectly fine that's gonna be great for this person, this child. That's how you can get it in because they think that McDonald's is wonderful. In fact McDonald's are kind of situated proximal to a lot of hospitals and the McDonald's Ronald McDonald houses are there and everything else. But bring in a homeopathic or magnesium or vitamin C and you've got to get permission for it and go through so much red tape and a lot of time you'll be told no, you can't give it because oh, you'll cause bowel necrosis, you'll cause diarrhea, you'll cause kidney stones, everything in the book that doesn't actually happen with vitamin C.

But it's what most... Look, they've measured vitamin C levels on people that enter hospitals, and pretty much everybody's deficient or on the border of deficient when they enter, and pretty much everybody when they leave has got borderline scurvy, if not full scurvy. Fortunately, they go home and start doing other things and can rebuild some of their vitamin C scores. But there's a lot of subclinical scurvy walking around out there, and those are the people that are going to do the worst with the vaccine and then they're going to do the worst with the actual disease. Subclinical scurvy in modern society, just from poor diet.

Well, you know, it's not just the poor diet. So any kind of stress will consume vitamin C. A cigarette will consume 75 milligrams of vitamin C, and they tell you that you only need 190 milligrams a day. That's the FDA requirement. Wow. So you just have a few cigarettes, and you've depleted your stores. So we don't make our own vitamin C as humans. Humans and guinea pigs, you know, we don't do that. And so we have to consume it. And we're reliant upon our fruits and vegetables or supplements to do. Or if you eat organ meat, you can eat the adrenals that are loaded with

it. But aside from that, it's your fruits and vegetables that are going to give it to you. So if you're under a lot of stress or you're taking medication or you have a lot of inflammation or arthritis, whatever, that's going to consume vitamin C because vitamin C is an antioxidant as well as an antiviral and, you know, good for your nervous system. So yeah, most people are walking around skimming the edge. If you have, you can see kind of a red line on some people's gums, they're probably vitamin C deficient. If your gums are bleeding a lot when you floss, you probably need some vitamin C. And, you

know, you could have an infection too, but it will deal to the infection as well as the integrity and the collagen inside of your bones and your soft tissues. I mean, it's like one of those things that's so important it should be given upon admission to every hospital. And what's really crazy is if you're one of those people that thinks that all you need is a balanced diet and you're eating like a piece of chicken and some lettuce, like that, there's no vitamin C in any of that, or not enough. Probably not enough, yeah. Chicken and lettuce won't do it. If you're not consuming some sort of liposomal vitamin C supplement, if you're not taking something on top of that, you're probably not at an optimal level to survive anything.

Which is also part of why we have so many metabolic diseases. We have bad metabolic health. We have metabolic diseases. Like they should, it should be super obvious. Like, oh, everyone's like really unhealthy and doesn't have any nutrients in their system. And they're all getting really sick from all these different things. Huh.

But everyone's like, no, you need medicine. You need a shot, you need a this, you need a that, need to get on this, you need to get off that and get back on this. And you're a hippie if you want to just eat kiwi fruits and get your vitamin C from that or have oranges or broccoli. Oh my gosh, broccoli makes you a total hippie or kale. You forget about it. Nuts. No, see we have a different kind of malnutrition today than we describe in the book. Back then it was people were toxic from basically drinking poop water and being worked to death and having diseases all around them. And so they were protein calorie malnutrition as well as vitamin as well.

Today, we have kind of disnutrition, you know, like DYS, disnutrition, and that everyone's fat, so they don't really look malnourished. Pretty much, you know, you go on a cruise or you go to the beach. Even skinny people have big bellies now. Big belly is the thing. What was that? I said, go to Bert Kreischer's house. Who's that? That's my friend. He's going to hate that you don't know who he is. But, you know, so today we've got inflamed guts from glyphosate and the wheat that's been altered to make us inflamed, and then just the chemicals that are added to our food

and the vitamins that actually don't help us and set us back that are fortifying our bread and milk, lack of vitamin D. So we have a different kind of a problem, but essentially causing the same bodily dysfunction. Yeah, the wheat thing I used to think was nonsense until I ate pasta and bread in Italy. And I was like, okay, why do I feel so much better? Why do I not feel like I just ate poison? Because I love like pizza. Oh, I love it.

I love lasagna. Oh, I love it. I love it. It's so good. But after it's over, I'm like, I'm incapacitated for like an hour or two, for like a two hour period, you're just like a shadow of yourself, just, oh.

Yeah. You think, oh, maybe it's just the high carbs, but you just proved that it wasn't because in Italy you were okay with it. I ate a whole pizza in Italy and I was waiting for it. I was like, I'm gonna eat this margarita pizza it's so good. I did too. They made it in a brick oven. I was like this is so good I'm eating the whole pizza I don't care I don't care what it's gonna feel like afterwards. I ate that whole pizza and then I was like where is it? Is it coming? Never came. Never came. I felt normal. I felt like I just ate food. I was like this is

nuts. Like no crash. Yeah. the bread in Scandinavia is the same. That's what people used to eat. People don't know that, what's that? I said that's what people used to eat. It is, like real food, real cream. Well, the people need to understand, like what they did was, and this is according to Maynard from Tool, you know Maynard Keenan, the lead singer of Tool? No. He actually runs a farm. He has vineyards and he has like

like he's Caduceus is his wine label and he's like really good at growing things and because he has a restaurant he was explaining to me that what they did is they just engineered it to have higher yield so they put more it's got more complex glutens in it so it's not the normal organic wheat that grows in Italy where they don't have genetically modified crops. Right. So you can still get that flour, and you can still get that pasta from Italy,

and it's much more consumable. Yeah, definitely. But the American stuff is just thick. It's just, your body's like, what is this? It just comes in like sludge. It is interesting. It feels like I ate glue. That's what it always feels like when it's over.

Unless it's really good sourdough bread, that doesn't seem to have that. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of agree. Like I'm not gluten sensitive, but I definitely feel more awake when I don't have it. Yeah. It's not. It's good on holiday or when you want to go to sleep. But it's so delicious. I know. I know. It's so delicious. But this is also a problem. And this goes back to when R.J. Reynolds was going through all their stuff with the lawsuits that were coming from people realizing, oh my God, cigarettes give you cancer. They're not good to, like, smoke if you have emphysema. I thought they were good for you. Add some arsenic and it'd be great.

There was a movie, and I forget what movie it was. Thank you for smoking. Well there's that. There was a movie where Leonardo DiCaprio was young and he was sick and his doctor was prescribing cigarettes to him. And like the mother was saying, did you smoke your cigarettes that the doctor told you to? You're not smoking. Like you need to keep up your health. Well, you know there's something to that because you know about the nicotinic receptors and you know the smokers got less COVID than the rest of us.

I did hear about that. Also doesn't nicotine kill COVID? Like people were saying that nicotine, no so that's what it is? That's how it kills it? What happens so the spike of COVID, which is the evil part of COVID, has all these horrible lab engineered proteins encoded into them and two of them are snake toxin proteins that bind on to your nicotinic receptors, okay? So if you can smoke nicotine or take nicotine gum, then you're gonna block those receptors up so that so you can trade off some of the stuff that's from the spine. What about like

nicotine pouches? Yeah, like that would probably, if you're having, you know, long COVID or, you know, any kind of post-COVID syndrome that's related to the nicotinic receptors, you only know by trying it. But listen, I always say start small. Don't go out and be a hero and, you know, take a whole dose at once. Start with a quarter of whatever it says and wait and see what happens. Yeah.

Because nicotine's a powerful drug. Try a cigar. Pick up the cigar habit. Yeah, there you go. It's a powerful drug. Try a cigar. Pick up the cigar habit. It's a wonderful habit. Yeah, that was an uncomfortable thing in the beginning of COVID. They were saying that, for some reason, smokers seem to be having a much easier go of it. Like, what?

How do you have a respiratory disease where smokers are, statistically speaking, getting less COVID? Yeah, well, I mean, I've been around. I did a tour one time, and there were two heavy, heavy smokers on the bus with me and they were the only two people that didn't come down with whatever flu with all the rest of us got. Not even that flu couldn't even live in their throats.

It kind of makes sense if you think about it. Well, it changes the polarity of your mucus membranes, the charge of the cells on your mucus membranes. and that's probably part of why even the viruses can't adhere properly. We're not encouraging cigarettes. No, we're not at all. But we are saying it's got some benefits. But if you are, they should be non-cured, naturally cured, non-chemical. Oh, like American Spirits? Yes. Like those kind of deals? I get all my smoking friends to convert to that brand. Does that help? Totally. Oh, come on, are you kidding me? You know how many horrible carcinogens there are. Do you know back in the native days when they were smoking and

people were smoking natural cigarettes, it was almost unheard of for them to develop lung cancer with a natural tobacco. American Spirit cigarettes are not healthier. They're absolutely wrong, but it is. It's marketed as natural and additive-free, which may lead people to believe that they are a safer option. However, there's no scientific evidence to support this claim. They may even have higher levels of nicotine than some other brands, but the nicotine is not the problem. So just by them saying that there, that leads me to think that this might be propaganda. Because saying that nicotine is not the problem, that's our other saying that they have

But I understand but AI should understand that I know I know he does I'm just saying AI doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense is that it's saying they might have more nicotine But that doesn't matter not addressing the actual question time to save time. So we don't have to go through. Oh, no, no, no I'm not saying to you. I'm just saying to them like what their writing seems to kind of be silly Marketing of American spirits as natural can create a false sense of healthiness Which may make it more difficult for people to quit smoking. I think smoking companies wrote this I think the other companies fed this information Spitting up blood on the packages and stuff. Oh, in England you get those?

No, they have it now. Oh, they have it in America here? They used to have it in America. I've been living overseas. In England, you go to England and they have photos of people with like rotten faces. That's right. That's where I first saw it. But it's moved to the rest of the, I know it's hilarious.

It's like, and they still buy them and smoke them. Well, the interesting thing is, and I'm glad you brought this up, is just cancer in general. Like, there's things that cause cancer that they're just everywhere, and there's a lot of things in the environment can cause cancer. But sometimes things get into medications that can cause cancer. And what is, what is SV40? I just wrote down SV 40 while you were talking. Okay. And I'm just going to give you an example of what you're saying is correct. And the fact of the matter is, is that all cancers in humanity have gone up since the inception

of vaccination. And my opinion, my educated opinion is that our lifespan should be 120 years. And I think with the knowledge that we have and the wealth that we have on this plan, ingenuity we have on this planet, ingenuity we have on this planet, we should be able to be touching the 120-year mark more commonly than we do. So when vaccines started coming into humanity, we were in, we started introducing animal disease into humanity through the skin. And then we started doing intramuscular injections after the hypodermic needle was created, and then you started having deeper injections of animal disease and of chemicals and mercuries and

things like that. So along comes polio research, and the polio vaccine, even to this day, is made on African green monkey kidney cells. Now, the African green monkey kidneys early on were basically taken out of their wild habitat in India, and millions of monkeys were brought to the USA for use. Unbeknownst to them and discovered by a scientist named Dr. Bernice Eddy is that there was a cancer-causing entity inside of the substrate that they were using to make the vaccine on the petri dishes. And that entity was Simeon Virus 40, SV40, called SV40 because before there were 39 others

discovered before it. Now we're up over 100. So that information was suppressed heavily. Bernice Eddy was offered a ticket to wherever she wanted to go and as much money as she wanted and she said, no, I'm staying. Long story short, they just kept taking her away from her work and distracting her and there was another doctor, J. Anthony Morris, as well. Anyway, so the SV40 was around and then Maurice Hilleman validated it later and said it came from the African Green Monkey kidneys. Now, it's benign in the African Green

Monkey SV40. It is not benign in human beings. In human beings, it was called the perfect war machine by Dr. Michelle Carboni, who was one of the primary researchers looking at the carcinogenic potential of Semi and Virus 40. So Semi and Virus 40 would have been in the live polio vaccines because there was nothing to kill it, but it was most likely also in the killed. And African green monkey cells are actually still a listed ingredient on vaccines, so you can go ahead and look that up.

It's a fact. So how this affects me is that I'm a kidney specialist, and I looked at the curve of kidney cancers that have gone up since the inception of polio vaccines and SV40 introduction. So what this virus does is it enhances two cancer promoting genes and it inhibits two cancer suppressors, okay? That's why it's called the perfect war machine. So that was in the vaccines that were injected. And so the bad news is that we don't need vaccines to give it to us anymore because we're going to give it to each other forever.

And it's never going anywhere. That was introduced to humanity like a lot of other diseases were through vaccination. We can give it to our kids. We can give it to each other. Comes out in the urine. And so it lives in the green monkey kidneys. It lives in our kidneys. As a kidney specialist, there are a lot of mysterious diseases. Lo and behold, there was some research into some of them, and the research was just put this is the other thing, the research that's really important just gets killed, the funding gets killed. In terms of SV40 kidney cancers, there's no doubt that the rate of kidney cancers has gone up alongside with the infection rate of humanity for SV40, as well as diseases

like glomerulonephritis, which they do find the pathogen genetic material inside. And even in the old days, they found it in the tumors, but not the surrounding areas. So that just tells you that it was a stimulant for the tumor cells to just start propagating. So that's just one of the things that...that's just one of many, many of the obvious ones. And even though it's been well-defined in the medical literature, you will see, still see that they only admit that it causes mesotheliomas and one other thing, not that it causes all the other things that it does, that it's been shown to cause in the other medical literature

that got its funding revoked. So SV40 is now contagious amongst people? Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. We probably both have it. Most of us probably have had it one time or other, you know, whether it's lying dormant in our kidneys. It depends on, everything depends on your background immunity, which depends on what

you're doing for fun and not fun and how you're eating and how much you're sleeping, et cetera, how much sun you're getting, sweating. Sweating gets rid of a lot of stuff. It's really good to sweat. It's just such a disturbing thought that this was introduced to people through vaccines and now is spreading. And what's the worst health impact that it could have if it spreads to you and not through a vaccine?

If you didn't get it through this vaccine and you just get it from another person? Oh, it's the same thing. It's not going to make much difference in terms. If you didn't get it through this vaccine and you just get it from another person. Like... Oh, it's the same thing. It's not going to make much difference in terms of... It'll gravitate to your kidneys. Obviously, it probably goes to lung as well. Brain tumors were a big problem with it back in the polio days. Dr. Michelle Carboni was looking at the brain tumors with that.

There's a really good book called The Virus and the Vaccine by Bookchin and Schumacher. It's an incredible book that details everything about those years, the scientists involved, the suppression, the oppression, the lies, the skullduggery. Then they would bring in the scientist who had no experience in actually detecting SV40 and lo and behold, he couldn't find it. And he was the one that got to make the ultimate statement on whether SV40 causes human disease or not. How could they keep injecting that into people if they know this? The stocks that contained SV40 were still basically being used by the vaccine manufacturers up into the 1990s and probably beyond because there's two different kinds of SV40. You're making me remember a whole bunch of things that I thought I forgot. But there's the fast dividing and there's the

slow dividing. There's two different kind of strains of it. And the original test, so when they made a vaccine, they would test it for 14 days looking for SV40. If it didn't have it, off you went and your vaccine was good to go. But the problem is there was a slower dividing SV40 that remained in the vaccines that were injected and probably in the stocks that are still. The stock is basically like your mother tincture or whatever. It's what you use to kind of inoculate all the new batches over time. And so the stocks were found. That's again, quote, Dr. Attorney Stanley Copp's quote in the book about the SV40 still being in the stock up

and through the 1990s. And, you know, God only knows if it's still, if they're still using those same stocks. I don't know, because I haven't gone into the more modern times of SV-40. But yeah, we all have it. And there's no doubt in my mind that it's just like another one of the things that the parasites have finally pretty much put into us to set us back. Demons. It's like real world demons. It's so crazy that someone would know this and still have this as an ingredient in a

vaccine. Well, they'll say that it was just an unfortunate set of events that happened because they took wild monkeys from India. See, I could work for them. That's their excuse. And they say, we cleaned it up, you know, we started our own monkey colonies and we started breeding our own monkey colonies that were now found to be free of SV40. The only problem with that is that, as I said, they had already inoculated humanity, and it's with a virus that can be spread vertically and horizontally, as the scientists would describe, meaning we've all given it to each other.

I think there are going to be very few people walking around today that haven't been introduced to it. Have there ever been a comparison of pre-cancer rates, pre-SV40, and post-SV40? That's what I'm talking about. That's what I did is I... In one of my videos, I did that and looked at the cancer rates since they were, you know, so again, what they'll say is, well, we just didn't look at the rates beforehand, but the rates were quite low before. You can know what the surgical, what the nephrectomies were.

So it's kind of an easy thing to look at because that's the treatment for kidney cancer. You take the kidney out because you got another kidney and it's a slow growing tumor even though it can metastasize. But anyway, I did look at it and the rate has skyrocketed for kidney cancers. Pretty much everybody knows somebody who had a kidney cancer. Marc Thiessen And that was not common. Danielle Pletka No. And also these protein losing diseases, which is again, it's not controversial.

It was documented when they looked at the areas that were affected in the kidney, which with these horrible disease that makes people lose the proteins that need to stay in their blood, in their body, out into their urine, that the SV40 was related to that. It's called focal and segmental glomerular sclerosis, and it's a real problematic disease in children and adults. Ultimately, you have to go on horrible chemotherapy drugs that ruin your immune system and then transplantation if you can't stay on top of it. Big moneymaker. Now, do I think that that was the purpose?

Look, I don't know what was in the hearts and minds. I don't know what was accidental and what wasn't, but I do know that there was intentional suppression of the truth. Any doubts whether or not well-funded must not be allowed to exist. That is a fact and it's always been that way and there have been scientists and doctors talking about that since the beginning of vaccination. It's just too horrible to believe for most people, I think. And then also- Yes, you're correct. It goes against religious dogma, you know, especially with people that are like firmly on the left,

trusting the science and trusting the experts. Those are two things at the front. Yeah. It's kind of a childlike situation that humanity and most of humanity is in is that they're, you know, I think most people are good and they want to believe everybody else is good and they want to believe that the government is looking out for them. And it's a really, it's a kind of horrifying, imagine if it was true that your government actually wasn't looking out for you and that might be one of the causes

of your decreasing lifespan. Imagine that if the government might not care so much if your baby ends up with no stem cells, or your baby gets cancer or autism, which will be outright, I mean, look at autism, hello. Like do we, how many, I don't even know where to start with that. But that was another thing where there was no doubt

whether or not well-funded allowed to exist what came to autism. And every autistic parent, parent of an autistic child will tell you this. Everyone that's tried to lobby and get to the truth with autism will tell you that the brick walls and the plexiglass and the lead walls that went down were intense

and still are intense. And the lying studies that they use to uphold vaccines don't cause autism are so easy to dismantle. But you know, Joe, you know, the lie gets around the earth three times before the truth has a chance to get out of bed. And that's just pretty much what happens when the media is owned. And you're like one of the cracks in the matrix here, quite frankly.

I think for a lot of people, it's too horrible to believe, especially if they have an autistic child, that this was caused by a vaccine. I know a guy who told me that he believes the vaccine had an impact on his child having autism and then later was shaming people for not taking the COVID vaccine. That's how strong the impulse is and that's how good the propaganda was. And that's how cowardly a lot of people are when it comes to fighting against a narrative. They get very scared of being socially ostracized and they can't speak their mind. They can't tell the truth and they'll whisper it to maybe this one guy that they're friends with like, hey, you know, I don't want to take it, man, but I have to for work.

Like, yeah, I don't trust them either. But you know, shh, don't tell anybody I said that. You know, you don't want anybody thinking you're on the bad side. And we all saw the propaganda on television. There's some amazing montages that people put together lately of people saying horrible things about the vaccinated people, unvaccinated people, horrible things, saying that it may be ghoulish to laugh when unvaccinated people die, but it might be necessary. Like what? Well, yeah, a few of us have to take one for the team.

It was just the weirdest propaganda campaign and people were doing the job of the man. It wasn't the man forcing the people to do this thing. It was people doing the job of the man and going after the people that hadn't stepped in line. And I think for a lot of people it's like they felt terrible that they had to do it. But if they did it, now I'm righteous. Now I'm on the good side. Why don't you do it too, man? I fucking did it. You should do it too. You're fucking selfish. And you get a lot of that. You know, you get a lot of people who they know they made a mistake and they want you to make that mistake too. You know?

Yeah, it would be good to know what really goes through their heads. I think COVID was, again, it was unique. But when you talk to parents who have autistic children, the vast majority of them not only know absolutely without a doubt that their child became autistic, usually within 24 to 48 hours after a certain vaccine, but that every doctor told them it wasn't the case. And then they go digging deep into the scientific literature and learn how to sometimes resuscitate that child's brain or detox them and then recover them, and then they're

actually beaten up even worse for doing that because they're just neurodiverse, you know? There's nothing wrong with your child, they're just quirky. No, your child banging its head against the wall, walking around the baby bottle in a diaper at the age of 18, your big hairy son doing that, that is not neurodiverse quirkiness. That is a serious pathological disease that probably could have been dealt to at the time and should have been prevented, should have never happened. So most parents that have that situation are on fire. It's a minority that will say, have the situation that you have right now.

Most of them, that's a wake up call, which is why they get beat up and suppressed even worse than I do. But when it comes to COVID, there was the psychological campaign, I think, was very effective in that people that I would have never imagined took the jab. Like friends of mine who I, in a million years would have, I would have bet my life that they would say no to it, ended up getting it, didn't want it, were really upset about it later, but nonetheless did it. Have they read your book? Yes. I see I didn't lose any friends during COVID because I had already lost them back in like 2009. My family and friends were solid. My tribe is here. But yeah, so, but I still love this person.

And she's like really upset about it. but it's like, it just shows you that the psychological campaign, like to get into that person's brain was really, but I don't know about you, but there was, I never had a doubt. I never, I was like, well, you're gonna shut me down, shut me down, you know, stop me from traveling, go ahead, stop me from traveling.

I hadn't read your book yet. I was all gung-ho to get the vaccine. And the UFC had allocated 150 something vaccines for all their employees who were doing shows during the pandemic. So I showed up in Vegas, asked for the shot. They said I couldn't do it. I had to do it on Monday at the clinic. I couldn't do it at the UFC. I was like, okay, fine. And they said, can you come back in two weeks and do it when they're in the next UFC fight? I said, fine, I'll do it then. During that time, it got pulled from the market for blood clots. Which one? Which jab was it?

Johnson and Johnson. Okay. And then two people I knew who got it had strokes. Okay. In that two weeks? Yes. Well, you've got a few angels, don't you? Yeah. And I was like, hold on. And then my whole family got it. There was like a bunch of things that happened. My whole family got it. There was like a bunch of things that happened.

My whole family got it and everybody was fine. And I didn't get it. And I was trying to get it. Like I had sex with my wife. I hugged my kids. You mean you didn't get COVID? No, I didn't get it. But you didn't get the jab either?

No. Yeah. No, I didn't. But I didn't get it first time around. I was like, this is crazy. There was two days when I went to the gym because I was trying to get it. And is which sounds horrible. But I was like, I just wanted to get over it like my kids got

over it so fast like my one daughter was one day she had kind of a headache and she tested for COVID she thought it was hilarious she started laughing you know she's like oh my god I've COVID but we had already told them it's not dangerous for kids don't worry about it at all you know because there was a lot of kids that were talking about getting vaccinated I'm like you are not getting nothing for them I was like no way like it's, I'll do it if I have to work. What made you say no way? Like, what did you think about it that you didn't even want your child to get it just in case? Totally unnecessary. So no need to risk it. Totally unnecessary. They got COVID,

they got over it like that. Before the vaccine. Before the vaccine. But this is before the vaccine. So after that, I was like, there's no way. Because there was pressure from their friends to get vaccinated. I was like, you're not getting vaccinated. You have seven times better immunity than someone who gets vaccinated, which is proof. And this is just antibodies, right? Which you enlightened me in your book to the fact that there's cellular immunity that's different than just antibodies.

Antibodies is one type of immunity to things, right? That's right. So I was- It's that TH2 slant that we were talking about. For me, with my kids, it's like they're vaccinated, but we did it on a delayed schedule because that's what my doctor recommended, and we had a really good pediatrician,

and it worked out great. They're fine. But I was a little worried. I thought it was quack-like to be worried. Like this is science. Like back then. Worried about what? About what vaccines could do to the kids. The regular ones. Absolutely. And the schedule. The way they wanted to just bang them up.

Like real quick. And with weird ones. Like the hepatitis B one. That one was like, when I hear that, I'm like, what are you talking about? You're going to give a kid for a sexually transmitted disease a vaccine when they're a baby? One day old baby. That's crazy. And also, is their immune system even working? Right? I mean, will it even accept this and turn it into an antibody? Like, have you approved that? Like, you're just jabbing kids? They've proven that the child the infant will make antibody and that's all they ever have to prove. What they don't ever want to prove is that when you give, say your child had gotten a COVID vaccine, there's something called original antigenic sin. They changed the term to linked epitope suppression.

It happens with flu shots. It happens with lots of different vaccines is that if you program your body to attack the strain of vaccine that you're, a virus rather, that you are injecting against and then a different strain comes along. It actually has negative efficacy. You are one that's more likely to succumb to terrible problems from the infection than because of your vaccine rather than actually protecting you. And that's been a well-known look. Anthony Fauci writes about it. Morins and Fauci wrote a paper basically admitting everything. I think it was in 2023 or 2024 about these shots. And he said the COVID shots are exactly the

same as the flu shots. Despite that, despite Fauci and Morins talking about how these shots would never have been licensed if they were held to the same standards of DPT, et cetera, et cetera, that they don't provide lung immunity, only provide blood immunity, negative efficacy, their conclusion at the end of it is that we must make better vaccines, more effective vaccines to add to the already existing vaccine program. It's not that we shouldn't do this. It's not that we should pull this off the market. That's always the logic.

Again, they never will admit to any problem with vaccines to take it off the market. It's always adding to it, not removing a vaccine. You think it was bad? Let's start six months now. Six-month-old babies with parents that are just like you back in the day going, okay, if you really think it's necessary because, oh, granny doesn't want to catch COVID, we're going to do it. Yeah, that was the logic. Worry about granny. But, you know, this is the Great Barrington Declaration, right? Where those guys were like, why don't we But, you know, this is the Great Barrington Declaration, right, where those guys were like, why don't we take the people that are vulnerable and isolate them and treat them and care for them and not worry so much about everybody else and not shut society down because it's going to have profound impacts.

And they were called kooks. And that's what's crazy. It's like during the censorship was so rampant that prominent scientists and physicians were removed from the social conversation because they disagreed. That's always been the case though. That's always been. It's just, but what is happening on social media and it's so transparent. These people getting removed from Twitter. You're like, this is wild. This is so crazy. Then you find out that the government's involved and the government contacted them and asked them to take things down. You're like, what are you, what are you saying? Like, this is nuts. Medical papers were retracted. I mean, there's this one guy named Pradhan, P-R-A-D-H-A-N, who he showed that there is a GP120 protein on the spike. And he said it was an uncanny similarity to the GP120 in HIV and that there was no way

that that would have come out of nowhere and showed up in the 2019 COVID epidemic. And he showed genetically how that just couldn't possibly happen. A flurry of emails went through the CDC and to NIAD and to Fauci, and within six days of that paper being in pre-print, it was removed. Six days. And we've got access from the Freedom of Information Act to some of those emails. They're heavily redacted, but that was the series of events that happened with that because any doubts whether or not well-founded.

All the things you said about the COVID vaccine, I'm sure are correct and true, but isn't it also different than the vaccine that they used in the test? Yes. The vaccine that was produced for the general public, I believe at least when it comes to Pfizer, they used magnetic beads for purification, which was totally different to what they did for the one they gave to us. And they produced it using, oh, I can't remember exactly how they produced it, but they didn't use plasmids and they didn't use, you know, all the different components that were given to us. I have a slide on that somewhere that

I could show you about. There were two aspects of the test vaccine that were very different to the, it was both the production, how they produced it, and how they, quote, purified it. And what's the significance of the differences? Like, did they do it to save money? They just didn't have the plasmid. They wouldn't have had the lipopolysaccharide with the DNA from the E. coli that was in there that they told would never get past our deltoid muscle and would be disintegrated. Well, lipopolysaccharide actually is a transit protein that can bring everything right through your cells into your... Our cells are made of...

It's like a lipid on the outside. So that was the whole purpose was to shuttle this into your cells. Not only that, but the vaccine produced that the plasmid part of the vaccine that's injected into you, the messenger RNA, has a substitution for something called uredine. They call it pseudo uredine. And pseudo uredine was put in there because they didn't want the immune system to destroy the vaccine too quickly. They wanted it to really be able to take hold of your body so you could have a strong response. Well, that's one of the reasons why vaccinated people had such horrible time with actual coronavirus when it did come.

And one of the reasons why you didn't, maybe you were exposed and you don't, I don't know if you've had an antibody level tested. But again, that's another long history thing is people who don't get sick while everyone else is have been, have been accused of witchcraft and sorcerers in the past, and sometimes hunted down and killed. You know, in the times of smallpox, the groups of people that were into cleanliness, that was a real problem for them. I did do nasal swabs to see if I had any antibodies. I did do that and I didn't. Well that won't tell you antibodies. That just that's a PCR. That would be your PCR test or your rapid. Which one did you do? The one that goes the rapid antigen test. But that's only going to tell you if you've got active in your

nose. What you want to know is if your immune system. Again there's a good use for antibodies sometimes. It's not to see it's not not not the end all be all in terms of your immunity, but it will show that you have had an experience inside of your body with COVID. Well, what was bizarre to me was that there was this, there was this narrative that you were going to get it no matter what. And that's why- And this will stop it from you getting it. Yeah. Well, this is before the vaccine was even around. There was this, there's this talk that there's no way to not get it. Like if it's around you, it's so contagious,

you're gonna get it. And that's why I was shocked that I didn't get it when my whole family got it. Like I said, I didn't isolate at all. I did it on purpose. And I had two days in the gym where I was sluggish. And so I was like, I feel kind of tired today, but a weird tired, so I'm just going to go through the motions.

I just like really light workout. And the next day I felt the same thing, like, yeah, another light workout. Let's just take it easy. No need to push it. Just got to break a little sweat, never stress myself. And then the next day I felt great. I felt 100%. Like I started working.

I was like, oh, I feel good. And then I was fine. And I was like, okay, I guess I didn't get it. And then everyone in my family recovered. And then I went from there to a couple months later, I was doing this gig in Florida. And I was up with my friend, John Showman, who's a pool, he makes pool cues. Shout out to John, good friend of mine. And we were playing pool till like five o'clock in the morning.

And I had like five margaritas, and we were having a good old time and laughing a lot. And then that night I was like, oh, I don't feel so good. But it was alcohol and no sleep and playing pool and big shows and giant arenas and flying on jets and being tired all the time. That's what it was.

And then I got sick. But even then, it was like a couple of days. How was that? How close being tired all the time. You know, that's what it was. And then I got sick. But even then, it was like a couple of days. How was that? How close was that to the time you just said you felt a little tired in the gym that day? Few months. OK, a few months. Yeah, it was a few months because by that time, the vaccine had been out.

And this was, I guess, the Delta, which was everybody was like, this is the bad one. The Delta is the bad one. You're supposed to be fearful, you know. Yeah. It was it was a shocking time for me because before that I never would have guessed in a million years that I would be even questioning other vaccines. I would have never guessed that.

I would have told you that vaccines are one of the most important inventions in human history and it saved us from polio, it saved us from smallpox. I would have been that guy, ranting off all those statistics. I would have told you that. But then I read your book. I read Robert F. Kennedy's book. I read your book and I started reading Turtles All the Way Down, which is really interesting because they wrote another book called Turtles All the Way Down and someone else published it that has almost the

Identical cover and that book is a pro vaccine voice like they literally hijacked. They're like, what do we do? Oh, this is what we do. We fucking confuse the shit out of people make one with the exact same cover Exact same cover exact same name Wow, and they made a pro vaccine book. It's kind of wild I mean, it's really kind of a genius like what a great way to like flood the market with bullshit. And the RFK junior book was bananas. I mean, I, people had told me to read it and my initial thought in the Fauci book. Yes. Yeah. My initial thought was that's that guy. That's like that anti vaccine cook. That's what I thought. And I've apologized to him for that. When I talked to him on the podcast, I said to him, I succumbed like everybody else did to the casual narrative. What's the casual narrative? Oh, that RFK guy's a KUK, talks weird, got

a weird voice. He's ruining the world's immunity. Well, I had the same thing. When I was first waking up, I had a friend who had unvaccinated kids that were part of a Steiner school, and they were like mutant freaks to me because they had never been on an antibiotic. They were like bright and happy and interactive and talented. And at one point, one of them was playing with a hammer and nail. And I said to her mother, I was like, you got to be careful because she doesn't have a tetanus vaccine.

And someone in the room said, well, Suzanne, what do you know about tetanus? And like in my head, I'm a full-fledged doctor at this point. I thought, I don't know anything about tetanus. And outside I said, I know you don't wanna get it and I know it'll cause lockjaw. And then I started reading about tetanus and I had to go back and kind of apologize.

And then I did a big video, I have a big video out on tetanus and the actual truth about the tetanus vaccines and actual tetanus, which, that's even harder for most people. Like most people who don't want to vaccinate their kids, they'll vaccinate for tetanus if they can get a single shot. And second only to polio. Everybody's got their two vaccines that they're the two diseases they're afraid

of for the kid that makes them feel like they're at least doing something. Well, the polio one always gets thrown in my face. Yeah. They say it all the time. Right about polio. Yeah. And I just go, I don't have the gets thrown in my face. Yeah. They say it all the time. Right about polio. Yeah. And I just go, I don't have the time to do this.

Thank you. Read the book. Read the book. I just, to explain to someone the whole DDT connection and the fact that livestock was getting polio, like this is the thing, like polio, dogs don't get polio. They don't get human derived polio. It doesn't cross species. But they were getting paralytic polio symptoms because they were getting poisoned by DDT.

Right? That was a big part of the whole thing that was very confusing. Well, they started killing dogs. You know, in New York, in that incidence I told you about where the vaccine, the gain of function strain escaped, people were throwing their cats out the window. Some 20,000 cats in New York City were killed during that time because there was a belief that cats spread the disease. Oh my God. Jesus Christ.

That's so crazy. And it was all a mutant man-made virus. The man-made virus thing is... It was a wound-up virus. Wound-up. Wound-up. It was basically a natural virus that got kind of wound-up by humans. So man-made virus thing is... It was a wound up virus. Wound up. Wound up. It was basically a natural virus that got kind of wound up by humans. So man-made to the final form.

That's just crazy that that's a thing that we do. Because if this gain of function research was so important, wouldn't you have a cure, like ready? They did. Like, have you been studying this for so long, but it didn't really cure it, right? Oh, cure. I mean, wouldn't you have something that like stops it dead in its tracks? You're not allowed to cure it. Look, I was living in a country where the government said there's no cure for COVID. There's no treatment for it and there is no

prevention for it except a vaccine. And lo and behold, we found out that there was a contract between the government and the pharmaceutical industry to have the emergency use of the vaccine trial on the population only under the condition that there's no other treatment available. And that's why the treatments were shut down. Right. Because emergency use, there has to be no other treatment available. If you have ivermectin or if you have zinc and all the other things that we use with success, you know, there were so many people that I treated that should have been dead. I gave COVID to a 95-year-old woman who had chronic lung disease called bronchiectasis. She should have been the low-hanging fruit. I was starting to feel a little bit unhappy one day, really just sluggish like you mentioned.

And when I was done seeing her, she said, I just want to give you a hug. And she came over and I was going, oh, no. And after about three days, I was like, I've definitely got it. I tested and I rang her daughter. And I said, I've got to tell you, I was exposed, Margie was exposed to blah, blah, blah. And she's like, yeah, mom's not feeling so good right now. And then two weeks later, I thought, I've got to call back again. I've got to make sure this lady's okay. She said, oh no, mom's out at the

hairdresser getting her hair done. Two weeks later, I still wasn't recovered two weeks later. Did she later. She was out getting her hair done. Was she a smoker? She probably used to. I don't know if she can't remember that detail. But there was my senior partner had leukemia. He should have been absolutely absolutely dead. Well not on my watch. He wasn't gonna be dead. So he'd survived the entire thing and died like two years later of something else. So yeah. The most shocking aspect of getting attacked and like all the CNN stuff to me was that no one had any interest in why I recovered so quickly. Because if this is supposed to

be this death sentence and there's no treatment and then I'm a guy in my 50s and I got over it quick and then no one cared at all about that. All they wanted to do is mock this idea that I was taking veterinary medicine, which I wasn't. But it was just the fact that they used that term, horse dewormer, on every TV show. Like wow, it's wild to watch the machine. It's uniquely wild when it's coming after you. you're like, but this is like such a dumb checkers play I'm like, this is so stupid. I'm still doing my podcast you fucking idiots and like everyone's gonna know that you put a green filter

Over my face. I'm gonna show everybody that you think you're just gonna get away with that No, you're gonna like lose all of your credibility you idiots. It was just so fascinating to watch this distorted understanding of what America is willing to believe, or the world is willing to believe. You're only preaching to the converted, the super hardcore, close-minded, converted people. Everyone else knows you guys are a joke now. And that's the good part of getting through COVID.

The good part of this enormous gaslighting experience that we all just went through, where people are finally, after four years, apologizing to friends for calling them a plague rat. Literally, they got down to that, where friends couldn't be friends with people anymore because they weren't vaccinated. And people are kind of like realizing like, oh my God, not only did I get COVID more than

anybody else, because I got three shots, like I had a friend telling this. He goes, I got COVID more than everyone I know. And I had all three shots. He's like, I got COVID eight fucking times. And we're like, how many times did you get it? And everybody that got it naturally was like, I got it once, maybe I got it. I got it twice. But the second time I got it was literally a sniffy nose. Just literally a snitch. And I was joking, because we used to

test everyone, including the guests, everyone that came here, we tested for COVID. And I was joking, maybe this is it. Maybe I got it again. And she's like, you actually got it. I was joking, I'm like, maybe this is it. Maybe I got it again. And she's like, you actually got it. I was like, no way. This is COVID. And it never got worse. It stopped right there. It was that was it one day, one day of a sniffly nose. And then a couple days later, I said, All right, let's try and get tested again, see if we can still do another podcast. And that was good. But I had to cancel the podcast. You're not allowed to have a healthy immune system.

But the fact that, that's the thing. It's like there's real science behind all the things you talk about in your book in terms of like the nutritional aspects of healthy foods being an important factor in your immune system. Healthy, we were talking about juices and vegetable juices and all the different times that it's helped people overcome certain diseases and vitamin A and cod liver oil, which also has vitamin A, which was always prescribed to people that were sick. Like all these things are, this is real science.

Like there's real science in nutritional supplementation and the effects that it has on the immune system. And there's a real science in nutritional defication and the effects that it has on the immune system. And there's real science in nutritional deficiencies and what a negative impact it has. This is all real. And if they truly cared about you, they would be telling you about that as a primary way of defending your body against disease and against all sorts of things that could go wrong. All sorts of things. Get fit, eat healthy, and you're above everything. Take supplements, you're above everything. You're in the top 1% of people that are gonna do great

in life when it comes to getting sick. Just that, and because most people don't do that. So you have like what percentage of people really eat healthy and really try to exercise on a regular basis. Is it even 10? Is it even 10% of us? It depends, maybe what state you live in.

Let's just have a guess nationwide and see if there's a chart, see if there's a statistic. Let's guess what percentage of people eat healthy, take vitamins, and exercise regularly. I say 10%. What do you think? Yeah, it could be because you still have your teenagers and your young college students that are in sports and things like that. A lot of older people are more...

They hope they would qualify. Yeah, but a lot of people, even though they have a hard job, they still realize, like, I've got to go to the gym before work and just get it in because if I don't, I won't have any energy. I'm better off this way. I know it sucks, but just do it there's like people in it that have enough discipline to do that so I would give it I think it's one out of ten that's what I think what do we got Jamie this is impossible yeah it's a little impossible what about AI run that shit through chat you know I'm just you get how you gonna get the answers my point not like well let's see what chance

and Americans we're honestly answer the question in, not like how you're gonna find the answer. What percent of Americans work out? People have to honestly answer the question in a poll that they're, you know. Well, let's ask Chachi B. just for a group. I just, I'm, my point, Chachi B. T has to find the answer somewhere. Right. But let's see what she says. Well, okay, well hold on. Let's just for funsies. Let's just say... I know, right out of the gate, the answer is that 86% people take vitamins and supplements, which is four in five American adults.

Is that real? That's good, if that's true. That's really good. I wouldn't think that's true though. I don't buy that. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I don't buy that. That's written by a supplement company. Yeah, and what supplements and how, you know, sometimes you can overdo. You do a hair mineral analysis on people and sometimes you find things that are, you know, pretty shocking in terms of that came from supplements. You can overdo it with even selenium.

Sure. You can end up with big problems. There's also a problem with cross-contamination. One of the things that we found out when we were selling Alphabrain is that in the beginning, when we would hire a lab to make the formula for us, so you have a list of ingredients ingredients and then they put together this thing Which is a nootropic that we'd find stuff in there that we didn't have in there and it was from their bins

So they didn't clean their bins. So it's like why is vitamin b12 in this like why is this in that? Why is that and it's just because that's the same factor Manufacturing place where they make all kinds of stuff creatine and and say how I got the answer but it says less than 10% okay likely less than 10% okay if you're talking about people consistently do all three it dropped significantly less than 10% maybe even closer to three to five percent depending on how strict your definition of healthy is yeah that's so you know that's what I was a good guess we're talking about adults here, presumably, but one of the facts is that the foundation that your immune system is created and developed in is probably, if not as, more important

than that, and that is being born the vaginal birth versus the C-section, not putting down people who have had c-section. I'm just saying the science, the science shows that there is a distinct difference in c-section babies, immune systems versus non-c-section. There's a distinct difference in breastfed babies versus non-breastfed and there's a distinct difference in babies whose mothers have a healthy diet and breastfeed versus mothers who don't have a healthy diet and breastfeed. So that foundation actually makes your gut grow normally, which is a large part of your immune system. It colonizes your gut because the bacteria from your mother's gut goes into your gut,

goes from her gut through her lymph system into her breast and then to your gut. And so all that foundational stuff is something not to be ignored because it's going to make you deal with diseases better. And if you have to get vaccinated, it's going to make you deal with diseases better and if you have to get vaccinated, it's going to make you deal with vaccines better even as a child. Not that I'm in favor of that, but I'm just saying if you want to set things up as, you know, solidly as possible to be able to take that insult. The problem is we don't know 20, 30, 40 years later what the associations are between, you know, bone diseases, skin diseases, cancers, autoimmune diseases. We have some clues. I have some clues that nobody wants to look at, but we've got this long-term problem

that nobody looks at. Long-term effects of lifestyle, of vaccination, of even SV40. There was one study that started tracking 1,000 SV40 people that they knew were infected with SV40 looking for diseases later in life, and they stopped it after 19 years, again, axed, when they still had over 700 people left in the study because they said too much time had gone by. Well, the fact of the matter is that's when the study should have started 17 to 20 years later is when they sort of started looking at that point, not one year, two years, but, you know, most vaccine trials and drug trials, they don't... Vaccine trials, it's like two weeks is almost a miracle for someone to follow out that long.

Forget about looking months or years later. It doesn't happen. When you first decided to write this book, how much apprehension did you have? Zero. Zero. You were just fully convicted to get this idea out? Well, it was a bit of a process, if you want to know it. Yeah, sure.

So what first happened is that I kept getting challenged while I was...I stayed on for two years as a nephrologist in my hospital, so I wasn't kicked out. I left because, like, my soul just couldn't hang out there anymore. And so during that time, even though I was kind of ostracized behind my back, everybody still respected me as a nephrologist, but I still had to go. And in that time, I started doing public appearances, like I went on the Gary Knoll show and started doing things like that, just talking about smallpox and polio, because those were my focus because everyone's saying, what about smallpox, what about polio?

And then when I started finding out, I just, I became obsessed with it. It was so interesting. So I was morbidly fascinated by the whole thing and about how everything I found was absolutely contrary to what the mainstream dogma is. And what I had was a mountain that, you know, pile high to the ceiling, and they had sound bites. They had nothing to fight back with me on, nothing. So this guy named Roman Bistrianik heard me on the radio show and he rung my office. And after his third call, I was like, I guess I better call this guy back.

And he had this idea for a book and he had done all the charts and the graphics and started writing the narrative around that of what the historical documents showed. And then I came in as kind of the medical person that was obsessed with polio and smallpox and happened to know quite a bit about pertussis. So we started writing the book together. And there's probably about, there's got to be, if you were to take a full-time job 20 years, at least 20 years, but for me it was condensed because I became obsessed after I quit my job. All I did, I basically had no money. I lived in a tent with a pop-up camper. That was my office. And I was like crazy Ted Kaczynski obsessed with polio in my tent. And so no, I didn't have apprehension. I was like, this information, it's been so... The US polio surveillance unit charts were supposed to be available in libraries. Lo

and behold, every library I went to to find them, I was told they're not here. There's only one library, the AMA library, and you have to have special high security clearance to look at them. Well, I won't say how, but I got ahold of them. And what those documents show is that it wasn't just CUTR laboratories that had a problem with live polio. It wasn't just why. If all the vaccine... We didn't talk about this, but all the vaccine companies had a problem with live virus in their injectable vaccines during Salk's year. So 1954, 1955, up to 1959, they all were producing vaccine with live virus in it because Salk

wouldn't listen to the scientists abroad who were saying his inactivation curve was where the sun doesn't shine. So that beginning of that and just tracking all that down and tracking asking the questions that you asked, well, where did polio go? What was really causing the paralysis? Why don't we see it today? Like I had to answer all those questions and every question I answered, it was so satisfying that I just wanted to go on to the next question. And so there was never any hesitation because I just actually, I was so single-minded that I didn't think about, you know, the threats that could happen as a result of that. And it wasn't until after the book was out that the threats happened and I'm still here.

And look, I figure if anybody wants to do me in now, the timing is really bad because this is pretty much out there now. It's been out there for a while. The Jonas Halk thing was also wild. I thought Jonas Halk was this genius that created this incredible virus to save humanity. Yeah, so did I. So many of our childhood fables turn out not to be true, but that was a big one and it's still hard for a lot of people to believe, but I just think it's like anything. Like if you're open to different information, and I always say, look, I can make mistakes. I'm not infallible. Someone has actually found

a mistake in the book. I actually went in and corrected it. That's the difference between me and these other people is that if I made a mistake, I want to know about it, and I will go and make it right, and I will publicly admit that I made a mistake. But I will say that 99.9% of what's in this book is true, factual, and provable. And because I've done the research, but it's a hard thing to do. What doctor is going to quit their job? I was lucky. I didn't have kids. I didn't have, you know, medical royalty ancestors who would have been disappointed in me. I came from nothing. I wasn't afraid to go back to nothing. And so that's why I was willing to live in a tent until this thing was done and published in 2013. So.

How long did it take you? I started working on it. Roman had been working on it for years. He had been going to libraries because his kids got hit hard by an ex-wife who jabbed them. He didn't know about it and they got really sick. And then he started looking at old graphs and going, oh, that doesn't make sense. So he got obsessed in his own way with the numbers. He's the numbers guy. And so he had been working on it. And then the two of us together worked on it probably from 2009 to 2013. And then it was published in 2013. We couldn't find a publisher. Even the alternative publishers

didn't want anything to do with it, so we self-published. And then after it was successful, guess who wanted to publish our book? And I was like, nope, sorry. We're gonna carry on the way we are. Oh, but you're gonna get such more credibility. It's like, unlikely.

We did okay. That's funny. If you give us money, you'll get credibility. Let us take a part of your successful business that you worked on for five years or four years. We'll give you one dollar a book. That would be sweet. Yeah, what a great deal. And then I'll have a prestige behind my name. Yeah, I've been published by a real company. When was the last time you looked at a book and said, let me check who published this?

Exactly. You know, maybe make sure somebody recommended this book. Self-published. It's all lies. I have never heard of this publisher. This is outrageous. What's that there? Forbidden science. Oh, Jacques Vallée. Okay. Jacques Vallée is probably the most interesting UFO researcher that I've ever talked to. He's the guy that was, you remember the French scientist, you remember Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Did you see that movie? Long time ago. Long time ago. Do you remember there's a French scientist on the grounds coordinating with with the army and explaining to everybody what's going on?

Okay, that French scientist is modeled after this guy This guy's been following UFO since like the 50s or the 60s. Do you say the 50s? like a Long time he's an older gentleman, but he's fascinating. And he's very rational. Like, when he talks about it, it's like he is very objective in what's nonsense and what's true and what we can't explain. It's a fascinating subject. I think similar threads would run through his experience, definitely. Forbidden science. Yeah. Well, for the longest time, it was a ridiculed subject. It didn't have the same

societal impact as being a vaccine skeptic or an anti-vaxxer. With that pejorative, they've done an incredible job of scaring people into just falling in line. Because if you question it and someone said, oh, did you know he's an anti-vaxxer that's all you need to hear and you're gonna get that after this podcast and I've already got it you're gonna get it big-time I've gotten it already you know start picking apart my facts and they want to come on and dismantle this is what always happens I come in first I tell my story and then they bring in the experts who are able to take without me being in the room of course because I can't be able to defend myself and then let the public believe that everything I said was just one big sack

Of lies. Well, they'll definitely be the usual suspects that will be doing that But has anyone ever tried to sit down with you and have a conversation publicly about this and Refute it Not that I can recall No one's offered? Yeah, I have to say I'm not that interested in doing that because I just feel like, you know, debate is it's an actual skill to be a debater. People study debate and people get really good at it. I'm not a debater. Like, if somebody wanted to

debate me in writing, I would be happy to do that, because then I could sit there and take my time, go through the references that I needed rather than having to be like a sub-stack. Right. That makes sense. Like a sub-stack. Have the artillery ready at me without having a shield,

pretty much. Right. And there's an anxiety aspect to that. And there's a lot of adrenaline and emotions. And yeah, it's a skill. But I would do it only if we had a topic that was, you know, basically agreed upon beforehand that we could both upskill on and use what we know as that debate point. But it usually just becomes character assassination. It does. It does. It's super unfortunate. And it's really

transparent when it's about a serious subject. Like, why do you have to attack someone's, serious subject. Like why do you have to attack someone's who they are, make it ridicule them instead of just refuting the facts or laying out your case. It just doesn't make sense that anybody who's right would do that. That's not what you do when you're right. That's what you do when you're trying to ridicule people. And you're usually trying to ridicule people because you need an edge. You know, it's like a bully. They're like, if you see fighters, like, like a UFC fighter in his prime, like Anderson Silva was one of the greatest of all time. If someone like got in his face and tried to intimidate him, it would be kind of hilarious because he was the best fighter in the world. Right. So he wouldn't even have to do it back. He

could just smile at you. And that's sort of the same here when you're ridiculing someone like right off the bat a bunch of You know ad homonyms about that person You're trying to diminish that person to set up your argument as being superior because you're the superior intellect And you're doing that because you don't feel like you're on level playing field And so you want to try to do something to push them off Make fun of them in some sort of instead of just like laying out your version of what reality is, lay out your version if you're so strong.

If you're so correct, it should be super easy to do. Well just like in sports, it's the same here. It's like cheating is for losers. If you're a winner, you don't have to cheat. And that's the same with them. Like if their product is so wonderful that everybody needs it so badly, then why is there such a... What they say is that we're too stupid to understand how they're saving our lives and

how they... This is one of the big arguments that we really ought to touch on, is that they say that our lifespan has improved as a result of medical interventions. What we show in here, what other scientists have shown, is that it's about 3.5% of the contribution from medicine goes into our extended lifespan. 3.5% based on antibiotics, vaccines, et cetera. The rest of it was all about the revolution, the health revolution, the clean water, the shelter, the electricity, the child labor laws, you know, ending. So, you know, the magic of medicine is not what people think and it really traps, it really traps a lot of people. Like, I think there's a value to the medical field in terms of surgery and certain drugs and if you have an

organ failure, like, absolutely. But why not? Like, my Hippocratic Oath said that I should consult, you know, any consultant that will help my patient and keep the well-being of my patient stable. Well, to me, that includes, you know, using every therapy that is as the most benign therapies possible first. The ones that work along with the blueprint of a human body, that go along with the theory of health rather than pounding down disease. You're always going to get a better result that way, assuming you've got time and, you know, you haven't waited till the last minute.

Well, you certainly will get a better result if you do get the disease that way, assuming you've got time and you know you haven't waited till the last minute. We certainly will get a better result if you do get the disease that way. Like the idea that you could just ignore everything but a medication is so silly. And it doesn't the only reason why you would do that is if that's the only way you made your money. And that's really especially if you're in the vaccine business and you're you have an enormous ad budget and you're sponsoring all the television networks. Well, that's the big thing.

And the other thing is people trust what they see on the television. CNN was my go-to thing for the longest time. Mine too? Yeah. And now I look at it and I think, oh my goodness, you know what cracked it for me is when they publicly villainized Andy Wakefield. And I actually knew the story behind Andy Wakefield at the time. What was that story? The story behind him is that, you know,

he was the doctoral here. He was publicly shamed. His license was removed. He published an article about what he called toxic nodular enterocolitis in children with autism. He was a gastroenterologist, a very high-level, very well-respected, decorated gastroenterologist, a very high level, very well-respected, decorated gastroenterologist. And he published this paper, which remained in the journal for 12 years. And all it said at the end was, further research needs to be done in order to see if there is any real connection between the MMR vaccine, autism, and toxic nodular enterocolitis. These kids suffer with horrible bowel disease. It's not just brain disease. And so he was about to publish another paper showing that in this certain type of monkeys

that were vaccinated against hepatitis B lost a lot of their reflexes and had problems. And it was on the eve of the publication of that paper that his original paper was revoked. And ever since then he has been the poster child for vaccine nonsense, for anti-vax, crazy people. And in fact, every time I've done anything, his name, funny that I brought his name up, I love him, he's a great guy, but his name would always come up, well, you're a friend of Andy Wakefield, or no, Andy Wakefield, because autism and vaccines has been debunked because Andy Wakefield lied, and he didn't lie, all he said is, I did biopsies, I saw this, and this is possibly a connection. And since then, other scientists have come in,

done the same thing, biopsies. Then they looked at whether the vaccine virus was in that biopsy, and it was. It wasn't a wild virus, it was a vaccine virus in that area, not the surrounding area. So there is a relationship between gut disease, MMR vaccine, retained virus that hasn't been processed properly because it didn't come into your body properly, and disease, brain disease. So, that's a fact. But CNN did a hit job on Andy Wakefield, and I remember going, huh, well, what's going on here?

Because I know what happened with that whole situation. Now, CNN is saying this, and that was kind of when, you know, the windscreen cracked for me and I just had to start questioning anything. And then you've got, you know, the doctors that go on there. There are a couple of doctors. I think you interviewed one of them, didn't you? Sanjay Gupta. Yeah, yeah.

There was a guy before him. And some of the stuff he said was pretty unbelievable. That's what the public is gonna hear. You know, your best chances of dealing with this is to just get the vaccine. You don't want to get shingles, get that vaccine. Nevermind the whole other truth around that, because like you say, it's the advertisers, but it's bigger than that. Does the shingles vaccine work? What do you think about giving yourself a vaccine for something you already have? Like you think

about it, like chicken pox is a disease that we all got as kids you got it as a kid probably You're kind of superhuman though. You didn't get kovat I got it. You did. Yes, so I got you got it eventually They broke you down, but I got chicken pox really bad and then I got chicken pox. Yeah, there you go. So Back in the old days we would all get chicken pox and then would be exposed to other kids that had chicken pox We'd go over kids houses if they had chicken popox. Yeah, people do. They still do that. I didn't have to. I got it somehow. I don't know how I got it, probably from my brother. And so you have this dormant, this virus lays dormant in your body until your immune system

breaks down. So, but part of it is not just your immune system break down, it's the fact that all these kids are now vaccinated and the circulation of the disease. See, some vaccines work in terms of they stop the circulation of the disease, but add a detriment to us. So it's been a detriment for measles and it's been a detriment for chickenpox. So chickenpox we used to get continuously. Adults didn't get shingles. It was very rare for adults to get shingles before the chickenpox vaccine came out.

Extremely rare. But since then, the rate of shingles in adults and children has skyrocketed because we're no longer getting our boosters being exposed to the circulating microbes. So now the solution to that is to give adults like four times the dose of the childhood chickenpox in an injectable vaccine against something that they already have. And so the theory is that you're going to ramp up your antibodies and then you're going to be able to do battle if your viruses come out again. The only problem with that is that the problem is the immune system. If you get AIDS or you're on chemotherapy, your chances of that happening are really

high. And yeah, does the vaccine work or not? I don't know, but I just don't think it's just to me just a completely strange concept to inject myself with something that I already have along with all the other excipients and compounds that go in a vaccine that nobody wants to talk about either. So can you explain how a vaccine is manufactured? Like how could they not know all the different stuff that's in it? Like let's talk about like how the SV-40 got in there. So you need something alive. You need some sort of tissue from a living creature in order to grow these things.

Well, in terms of the COVID vaccine, you just needed to pile crap, actually, because it's made on E. coli cells, and that's where you find E. coli. So with a lot of the other vaccines, you do need living. Like for tetanus, you need rotten meat, okay? That's how the tetanus vaccine is made with rotten meat. You were talking about tetanus earlier and you kind of glossed over it, but you didn't finish up. You were saying that tetanus itself, you started like Googling and like reading

about tetanus itself. Yeah, yeah, big wake up call with tetanus. So you know what we see, if anyone's worried about tetanus, what we're shown is a picture of a soldier from like the 1800s with his, well he's naked and his back is arched. If you just Google tetanus right now and you look for images, you'll get this image.

And so that's what we're told will happen. If we get tetanus, it's a sure thing, you're just going to get tetanus, you're going to die. Well, the fact of the matter is that when I started doing my deep dive in World War One, look, it was fought in the trenches with horses. That's where you get tetanus from ruminant animals lives in their gut, then it goes in the soil, and it's just a spore doesn't do anything until it gets into an area that doesn't have oxygen. So you get

a cut, you get a surgeon to close you up real nice without cleaning it out properly, and you're a setup for tetanus, which will transform from a spore to a different kind of a microbe and start releasing a toxin that can, it first starts as numb, numbness, usually in that limb. It's the extreme case is in that soldier

who would have been malnourished, stressed out, probably vaccinated for smallpox before he hit the fields, and exposed to enormous amounts of tetanus, possibly gunshot wound or a slice somewhere, and then sewn up. So, yeah, his nervous system could have had a real big dose of toxin and nobody did anything about it. That's the worst case scenario. You don't want that to happen. But in today's, I've treated tetanus. Let's just put it that way. I've treated several cases of tetanus. One of the cases was a neurologically diagnosed tetanus.

So tetanus is treatable. You can get on it early. Rabbit studies have shown that if you give vitamin C, if you have a good high vitamin C level before you put glass with tetanus spores on it inside the skin of a rabbit, that you can prevent the tetanus from happening. Even if you give the vitamin C at the time of a rabbit that you can prevent the tetanus from happening.

Even if you give the vitamin C at the time of the injury, you can prevent it from happening. If you give it after the event, the death rate goes down to, you know, very, very low, if not zero. So, vitamin C is a main factor, but the biggest factor is cleaning a wound and keeping the wound open if you think it's a dirty wound and not to close it straight up, which is why nails, you say stepping on a nail is the classic because rust can kind of hold the old spores inside of it. You step on the nail, you get inoculated, and then you wait for it to heal over.

You have to open that wound if that's going to happen. But tetanus has been... There's a whole series of reports on instances where the cotton that was made for menstrual pads for women postpartum was impregnated with tetanus, and they got horrible cases of tetanus just from using those menstrual pads. So the hospital systems have also been, you know, responsible. The biggest thing is that being vaccinated for tetanus is not necessarily security against not getting tetanus.

Now, am I telling people not to go get vaccinated or not? No, I'm not. I'm just saying there's so much... Every vaccine, there's so much more to the story that should be considered. You can have different strains of tetanus. And if you're living on a field that has room in animals, you will be... Whether you like it or not, you're going to be eating whatever's down in that field, and you're going to be inoculated and have antibody and probably cell-mediated immunity against it. So you'll already have some immunity to that. So worst case scenarios, you have no immunity, you go get a dirty wound and you don't get any real competent medical care for it.

Yeah, you can end up getting having a problem with tetanus whether you're not going to have locked jaw and an arched back and die, unlikely today for that to happen. But most tetanus that happens is delayed onset. So the earlier your symptoms come on, the worse the tetanus is going to be. If it comes on later, generally, the better you're going to do. Treated with high doses of magnesium, high doses of vitamin C, local wound care, that's the best thing that you can do. Up to you if you want to go get jabbed for tetanus after you learn everything about it.

Everything's on my Odyssey channel, by the way, that's where all that because I got canceled out of YouTube for talking about vitamin C for all of all things. So everything's now on Odyssey. All my videos are on Odyssey and I do one that's just on tetanus. And again, medical reference after medical reference, I don't make this stuff up. I just report what I read. Yeah. It's crazy that they just kick you off YouTube for reporting studies.

Yep. Yeah, you can have like pornography and murder and all kinds of other stuff on there. It's pretty horrifying, some of the things that flash across like, I wish I can't unsee that now. Have you ever posted your stuff on X? Yes, lots of stuff on X. Yeah, so most of this stuff is available there? Well, I got canceled out of Twitter when it was Twitter and I could not make

another account. It's like they knew where I was. They were able, even I was using different phone numbers and different emails, I could not restore an account. You got your IP. Yeah. Maybe that's what I used. I used VPN as well. Couldn't do it. Really? Then I would get an account set up and then they would say you went against standards and cancel it So anyway, they must put a cookie on your phone or something. Maybe you try a new phone. I tried a computer, too But I did finally get a get an account I was able to open an account and get a blue check mark, but I've only got look up don't have that many followers

I'm gonna went from having over 95,000 to having nothing and now rebuild that's they love that They love to let us build ourselves up and chop us down and make us rebuild and scatter. What is your account? We'll help you out. It's Dr. Suzanne H7. Yeah. And look, I don't post my opinions about different things in the world or dog and cat pictures. I post stuff about vaccines. You know, I like to stay in lane as best as I can. So for you, was the COVID pandemic was that like a big wake up call for people to start reading your book?

We've had pretty good sales like Roman keeps because he does all the accounting and he says we just have a good amount of steady sales and once in a while we'll see. Like every time you mentioned the book, we had a little blip on it. During COVID, every time Bill Gates comes out and says something stupid, we have a big surge in our sales. So they actually help us when they say, we're there. We're going to, if we vaccinate enough people, we can help depopulate.

It's like, okay. And for whatever reason, our book sales go up. When he starts talking about vaccine deniers and vaccine skeptics, whenever they started doing that and the way the language that they would use was like when the president was saying, our patience is wearing thin, we've been patient with you, but our patience is wearing thin. And the White House prints this thing that if you're vaccinated, you did your job. But for those unvaccinated, you're looking forward to a... What did they say? A winter of... Oh, a dark winter. Yeah, of death and disease. Like, what?

You know, dark winter was a tabletop exercise. Do you know about tabletop exercises? I do, but what is dark winter? So dark winter was one... Well, you can explain tabletop exercise to people, too. ...that involves smallpox. Well, there are lots of them, but Johns Hopkins does... I have a whole PowerPoint on this too, but Johns Hopkins conducts a lot of them. They involved fictional scenarios where there could be pandemics and terroristic depositions of toxins and chemicals and microbes that were manipulated in a lab, and then who

in our society is going to respond and how they're going to respond, like the CDC and DARPA and the news outlets are always utmost importance as the news outlets and the messaging that goes to the news outlets in these tabletop exercises. But Dark Winter was one that was a tabletop exercise after the World Trade Center thing when we were pointing our fingers at Iraq and weapons of mass destruction and Russian scientists that, you know, had weaponized smallpox and brought it to Iraq, which they never found, by the way. But because of that, that's why I was asked to get vaccinated for smallpox in 2003, was

that dark winter, whole that dark winter thing that was going on. Thank God there were a few people in the CDC and consultants, old guys, the old guys with integrity that knew the deal from the old days who were saying, wait a minute, smallpox is not easily transmitted. So that's a no-no. So even if there is a terroristic smallpox drop, it's not going to be easily transmitted. It's treatable and the vaccine doesn't necessarily prevent it. And so that was kind of one of the things that stalled it all out. But then they did the study on the Marines because they, the part of the exercises are we must do tests for the new vaccine.

They use the old vaccine, the dry-vax. There were lots of problems with those military people. And then I was asked to sign a 63-page informed consent, basically, saying that I understood all the problems that could happen to me, that I didn't have little kids in my life, that I wasn't going to be able to spread it. I would isolate after I got the vaccine. So they were ultra-careful about this one because they knew they were dealing with something that could get a very bad reputation. The reason they ultimately canceled it is because any doubts, whether or not well funded, must not be allowed to exist. Because if we were saying, oh my gosh,

we have this terrible smallpox vaccine, how did they do it back then? We have the same vaccine, and people are getting really sick and dying and having cardiomyopathies. That's a problem. And so that's why the truth gets locked down over COVID. We know, look, you've seen the athletes dropping dead. You know about the cardiomyopathies and the pulmonary emboli and all that kind of thing. Nobody's talking about the stem cells that the newborn babies are born without. Nobody's talking about the fact that there are now death doulas to deliver dead babies. Like, that wasn't even a thing before. But I've got a friend that's a midwife who tells me that they are now creating a new field, which are midwives that only deliver dead babies. They do nothing

else. They didn't need that before. COVID was an absolute nightmare in terms of obstetrics, gynecology, labor, and delivery. A lot of midwives that got done because they didn't get vaccinated, they don't even want to go back now that they can go back because they don't want to have their good reputations of 100% of normal births dealing with what's being dealt with today in terms of the birth problems that are happening because of the actual vaccine itself. Look, if it causes problems and blood clots in our circulation,

what do you think it's going to do to a placenta that is pretty much all blood vessel? That's all it is. It's like a big blood vessel sandwich is what it is. And there was no studies that showed that it was safe to give to pregnant women, but yet they were saying that. Well, there's, look, every influenza vaccine package insert says it's never been tested for carcinogenicity or mutagenicity in pregnant women, yet it's recommended every year for

every pregnant woman and every time they get pregnant or not. It's recommended. Same with the pertussis vaccine. Give it to pregnant women, never mind that it changes the immune reactivity of the infant. Nobody talks about these things. This is what I say when, you know, it's like the truth is so much more complicated than the soundbite lie. The soundbite lie is what gets around the world three times. The science is settled. Science is settled. There's no debate needed because the likes of me are so crazy and you know whacked out and you know I'm trying to just destroy the good order of the general public. Blood is on your hands. Oh that's

a good one. I always love that one. Yeah it's a fun one. I like that one. Yeah. Yeah put see if you can pull up rational wiki and Humphreys. You'll enjoy this. I want to see the image of the guy with tetanus. Did you find that? Can I just see one? I want to see what it looks like when you're locked up. It's an old painting. So can I ask you when you've treated people that have tetanus and didn't have the tetanus shot or did they get tetanus and they have the tetanus shot? The one that had the worst tetanus had had locked on had the tetanus and didn't have the tetanus shot or did they get tetanus and they have the tetanus shot? The one that had the worst tetanus had had locked on had the tetanus shot. Put in painting, put in artwork or painting. Look at that dead guy but go up to that dead guy yeah right there that's not real. Does it? Not to me bro. He's clearly been in the hospital for a really long time. He probably got hospital acquired tetanus. Okay yeah right. That image right

there what makes you think that that's fake? Yeah that is weird that part there looks it definitely. It does look fake. Oh yeah it's probably a bunch of Nazi tattoos. But if you put in painting, painting soldier tetanus that then it will come up. Is that it right there? There it is, first one right there. It's very famous. That's what's on the Wikipedia page as well. So this is... You don't want that to happen, Joe. If you do get tetanus and there is no antibiotics... This is surely what will happen to you. Now today, how would you treat someone who got tetanus? Although there are antibiotics, you know, that you, but mostly it's supportive care until, you know, your therapy starts to work. So some people end up, if it's not

dealt to in time, you can end up ventilated. But again, that's, it's a theoretical problem, but if you get on it in time, that's not certainly not been my experience. And so the ones that I've treated that haven't been vaccinated have had the easiest mildest cases. But so your point is not done a large randomized controlled study. But what's really important here is what you're saying is that even if you get the tetanus shot, if you step on a nail, like you could still get tetanus. Look, it's one of the tetanus in order to make tetanus immune globulin, which is another

option when say you have a cut and your magic tetanus shot doesn't work right away, then you can get an immune globulin injection that came from somebody who has had tetanus. Usually, these are people who have actually had tetanus, not who have been. And one of the donors that's in the literature that I use is somebody who has had natural tetanus despite having several vaccines. So no, the tetanus vaccine is not a guarantee against... It's like a severe tetanus. Yeah. That's right. Before you die, they call it severe.

Yeah. But it could also be caused by meningitis. This is the kind of the dead baby equivalent that they use for tetanus. So this was a soldier, I believe, during a very long time ago. And he was, they don't even show you his wound, he's probably stepped on something. It can happen, not saying it can't, but again, are parents given well-rounded information? No, they're not. They're not told that there are actually things you can do to prevent tetanus. Shouldn't they at least be told how to clean out a wound and not to let anybody sew it up? And secondary healing is a thing. Like some people get open-heart surgery and because they get infections, I've seen this happen. They just leave everything open and let

it fill in on its own. You end up with a big scar, but they're still alive because the infection was able to heal from the inside out, or rather the wound was able to heal from the inside out. What you don't want to happen is a wound to heal from the outside because then you're locking in dead tissue, which is a perfect setup. Tetanus loves dead tissue, which is why they use dead rotten meat to grow the vaccine. Toxoid. Pete Slauson What is it like to have your entire view of medical history do a 180? Like, what is it like to be a practicing doctor and someone who never would have imagined this until you faced these forces trying to get you to vaccinate? It's kind of exciting actually because

during my medical residency, like towards the end of it, I was like, I just thought one day, I'm not a healer. I don't know how to heal anything. I'm just prolonging people's lives, treating their diseases with drugs. Like I'm a glorified pharmaceutical technician. I realized that one day. And I was like, I'm not a surgeon. I can't do surgery. So I write prescriptions. I do diagnoses and I write prescriptions. So I decided to go into a field where people really needed prescriptions. Like, if you don't

have kidney function, you're on dialysis. Like, that's one of the glories of medicine. Like, you can prolong people's lives. I really enjoyed that. But then after I left completely and started studying real physiology beyond what I learned in medicine, like I'm learning a lot of stuff you're learning too, you know, the nootropics and all that stuff that you talk about. Well, I'm learning about that we're, I love it actually, it's exciting.

I've been liberated from a prison essentially, from a stupid prison where my brain was locked down and I was told what to do and how to do it and then watching the results. It would be one thing if the results were good, okay, but the results aren't good. We treat symptoms. We treat hypertension. Hypertension is a symptom.

It's not a disease. Hypertension can come from lots of different things. That's just one case in point. So I really love being able to now have the freedom to look at the full human being and their physiology and look at them as an electromagnetic entity that has some chemicals and vitamins and help them direct their body back towards the blueprint that it was designed upon. And that's to me what real healing and real medicine is about. It's not about being anti-antibiotic, anti-this, anti-that.

It's like how about pro-life? How about we get your, you know, you're going out working every day. That's great because you know why? You're getting your blood and your lymph flowing and you're sweating. You sweat, you know, the aluminum comes out in your sweat. Toxic metals come out in your sweat. You create salt levels in your blood that stimulates your skin immune system, which is a separate entity.

Like, I didn't know any of this when I was a conventionally practicing doctor. Just even say, like, I wanted to detoxify mercury out of my patients in order to lower their blood pressure, and I was told that that was not allowed. We're not like, well, then I don't want to do this anymore because I know from a hair mineral analysis and from a chelation test that that person is burdened with aluminum and mercury. And I know that both of those things can raise blood pressure. So why wouldn't we want to remove that? The same reason we're not allowed to save vaccines. You know what a multi-billion dollar industry blood pressure treatment is and cholesterol treatment is?

Oh, no. Forget about it. Yeah. I mean, I saw malignant hypertension happen after a tetanus shot in an adult patient of mine. And so that was another one, you know, thing that woke me up. And I was like, well, gosh, that's weird. And then I'd, you'd look up, you see there's other case reports, and then you're told, well, case reports don't mean anything. You need randomized controlled studies. Yeah.

So, it's like there's frustration at every corner, but I love doing what I do now. And I love the fact, look, fact. Look, it's all great. Like, I wouldn't change anything in my life, just put it that way. And I'm really glad I have the background of conventional medicine, but that's like, background of conventional medicine is like year one and really learning about healing and life. It's just, it's the very basics and doctors still need to keep learning. But most conventional doctors are mandated to keep learning, but they're told where they can read to get their credits every year. You can only get your credits from reading this and answering the questions like a good little

doggie every year, which I still have to do. But beyond that, when I have my own spare time, you know, like I've learned ozone therapy, I've learned how to use vitamin C, I've learned how to look at the body electromagnetically and use bio resonance. And there's just so much stuff you can do that really helps people and keeps them out of a whole bunch of trouble that they would have gotten into if they went and took allergy medicines and got their tonsils out or kept on their blood pressure medications and let the inflammation go wild in their body and didn't know anything about how to dampen. Look most disease comes from inflammation.

Cholesterol's trying to save you. It's not trying to kill you. The cholesterol is a response to inflammation. It's like your fever's trying to save your life. It's like everything in medicine is about dampening down the symptoms that are trying to save your life. So it's like I look at it and I think I can't believe I ever actually agreed upon that Well, it took a lot of courage to step out of line and speak your mind and I'm really glad you did

Because I I hope more will realize that this is what a doctor supposed to do And you're not supposed to be a spokesperson for an industry. That's pretty sociopathic You know which makes some, you know, great strides. Look, there's a lot of amazing orthopedic surgeons and eye surgeons and neurosurgeons. There's a lot of amazing work being done by medicine. But then there's also the pharmaceutical drug company, which when attached to that and to the money people, they want to make more money every time they can. Every quarter, they want to have a bigger quarter, they want a bigger house, they want

a bigger jet, and they just keep going. And the way to get money is to get you to take their stuff. It's not to heal you. The way they really make money is to convince you that you're sick. And if that wasn't the case, we would have more medical freedom than we have, right? Right. Because we would have choices, we would have options, and we wouldn't be told what we have to do to protect the public. You shouldn't be shamed for getting better from some other way. That wouldn't be a thing. I know. That wouldn't be a thing. Pretty crazy, isn't it? Yeah, it's pretty weird. Well, thank you very much for doing what you do and for writing that

book because it was a real eye-opener for me. I had no idea. I had no idea of the history of these things. I had no idea of the correlations between when the vaccine was induced and when the death rates had already dropped down. I didn't know all that stuff until I read your book. Who gave you the book? Where did you get it? I do not remember. I don't remember where it came from. Somebody recommended it. Okay. You read it. Okay. And you read it. Yeah.

Cheers to you. Well, it's a page-turner. You know, I listen to it in my car, too, and I listen to it in the sauna. It's one of those books that you kind of have to go over it a couple of times just to sort of digest it and go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on. Apple cider vinegar they were using to stop people from getting smallpox? Like, what the fuck is that?

How is that real? Like doctors were saying that they were treating people with smallpox and they didn't worry about getting it because they were consuming apple cider vinegar multiple times a day. And it actually worked? That's what the reports showed. Even today apple cider vinegar, you know, it's had a big resurgence in terms of keeping your gut pH nice and low so that you can digest your food better, which has downstream effects to everything, but it's also a fermented product.

It's got a lot of benefits. Not just that, but even on the skin, it's really great to put on chicken pox and probably smallpox as well. But if I may just direct people to dissolvingallusions.com, because if you just go to Amazon, you're not going to, there's two different versions of the book. There's the original one that you read. And then there's the 10th anniversary version that has 200 extra pages. And we delineate early on what the new, what the new pages, what the new chapters are.

So you don't have to go read the old stuff if you don't want to. The new 200 pages cover, It covers tuberculosis, it covers oh one of this one of the chapters I really love it's it's toxic medicine of the past all the different crazy treatments that I was telling you about and then I added a whole bunch of the whooping cough because more information came out after 2013 so we added that in and then we published a second book which is all full of doctor quotes from 200 years ago.

Because people say, why are you the only one? It's like, well, I'm actually not the only one. It's like back then, this was what was recorded from doctors and public health officials, which is probably 1 percent of what actually was said. And then we have hard to find vaccination tragedies, royal commission on vaccination timeline. And then we have rare documents at the back that has, like, the Encyclopedia Britannica where they hired a very highly decorated, well-known, highly respected doctor to write a chapter on smallpox. And at the end,

when he did what I did and basically looked at all the facts, he decimated the vaccine completely, so that you can't really find that very easily anymore. So this one is called the companion book to dissolving illusions. And then, but if you can see all find that very easily anymore. So this one is called the companion book to Dissolving Illusions. But you can see all the versions and we've been translated into eight languages. We're about to be translated into Chinese. But the best resource is dissolvingillusions.com

and it will show you what your options for purchase and where you can purchase the different books. If you want an alternative press, we have an alternative press for those people that don't wanna to do Amazon. So yeah, and all the different languages and the different versions are on there. All right. Yeah.

Thank you again. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye!