The Joe Rogan Experience - #230 - Sam Sheridan

Episode Date: June 19, 2012

Joe sits down with Sam Sheridan.

Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. All day. All day. My friend, writer extraordinaire Sam Sheridan, also star of the movie Warrior. Are you going to do some more acting? I would, sure. I need the money, man. I didn't know you were in it. I played Joe Rogan's wannabe. I tried to be Joe Rogan and I failed.

Were you like the Mike Goldberg character and Brian was the Joe Rogan character? I think Brian was more the color guy and I was the – Play-by-play. No, no, no. The more – like I was the more expert guy. Yeah, that would be – well, it depends on what sport. In MMA, we kind of do it – it's kind of wacky the way we do it. Like a lot of times if it was boxing or in um

you know other sports the play-by-play guy would also sort of be like an expert right you know and you guys i mean i love what goldberg does i think he does you know it's it's a tough job man that's not easy everybody's very hard everybody who throws it's like just try it it's very hard i did it once and i was terrible at it yeah he's he's really good at what he does he's just so good and he makes it look so easy that people forget how difficult it is. It seems easy, but it's not at all. I mean, that guy

has to keep the show running for a live event for six hours and he does it on a regular basis all the time. My job is so much easier than Goldberg's. All I have to do is go, he's got to get his arm out of there. Look at him. He's going to get into triangles.

Fuck, he's fucked. If you don't say anything for a minute, it's fine. Yeah, yeah. If he doesn't say anything for a minute, it's like he's getting fired. You know what I mean? It's terrible. I think they'd probably all, the people at home, too, would all be happy if we just say nothing for one minute.

Just one minute. Just shut the fuck up for one minute. I've got to say, watching that tough whatever it was where they didn't have any commentating and it was like Dana and what's his name? Or Whispering, or Raya. And I actually loved it. Yeah, I like it.

Because you could hear them punching and hear their feet. Because usually the crowd is so loud, too. You can't hear the guys breathing and the kind of impact and stuff. Yeah, the Ultimate Fighters. Those are my favorite fights. I love those fights. They're great. I wish we could have super high-level fights.

I would love to see Vitor Versus Anderson Silva in the tough house In front of 8 people Just put it on TV It would be incredible I wish I could speak Portuguese too When they start talking shit to each other I know Or afterwards, what do they say

I've thought about learning Portuguese Just to understand what Things Brazilian fighters say to each other. It's in what they're saying in the corner. You're about to go there, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to Brazil this weekend. Oh, cool.

You've been there a lot of times. Yeah, yeah. I've been there a few times. Yeah. With Eddie and... They're the most passionate UFC fans of all time. No one is as passionate as the Brazilian fans. Huge new market, right?

They got a huge... Huge! Doing huge numbers in Brazil. The ultimate fighter in Brazil did 12 million people its first episode it's damn like what the fuck man no Brazil is just they're gonna like print money in the basement they love fighting man they love it they love it the crowds are insanely appreciative they're like they're so fucking fired up when you go there man it's it's really infectious right like from the moment the first fight started the place was packed right there was no like casual vegas hipster yeah yeah let's get there a lot of open empty seats

the co-main is let's get there then you're gonna lose your seat dude you know i went to a small show and uh near rio and it was like tons of little kids running around and raining. It was fun. Yeah, Rio's amazing. It's amazing. It's like a paradise. For all the things that people complain about of the poverty and the crime and the things like that, what you don't see is this really happy, carefree lifestyle that we just can't appreciate anymore.

7 a.m., me and Ari were sitting out on my balcony chilling, and we were watching kids running to the beach playing soccer at 7 a.m. Fat American kids. They're so sporty, dude. It's amazing. You try to keep up with your Brazilian friends over the weekend. They're like, we're going to play this and this, and then we're going to go beach volleyball, and then we're

going hang gliding, and we're going up the mountain. You're like, wait, that's today? That's this morning. It's Sunday morning we're doing that. Yeah, it's a crazy culture, man. I mean, one of the greatest jiu-jitsu players ever, Hulse Gracie, he died from a hang gliding accident. Yeah. They're wild, man. It's all that sports.

Sorry. I was trying to describe it to my friends and I was like, you know, imagine Manhattan with like a beautiful beach yeah instead of the river you know what i mean like a beautiful deep water and it's it's it's such an like a magical place that's a thing too man you are affected by your environment by your physical environment when you live in a beautiful place there's a reason one of the reasons i think why people in vancouver are so nice i really think being up there, when you're looking at Whistler, you see the mountains, you see the water and the islands and shit. You're like, God damn, this is gorgeous. Right.

It's like elegant. Yeah. It's amazing. It looks like it's CG'd almost. Yeah. It goes snow-capped mountains. Incredible. Right down the alley, the end of the alley, there's these two buildings and then snow-capped mountains

in the water. Yeah. Oh, it's incredible. No, it's so good for you. Yeah. I think a view like that, anything where you can see some gorgeous nature.

Yeah. You ever see those studies about what the optimum vista is for a human being? No. So they have like, you know, hundreds and hundreds of photos.

And then you rate the photo, what makes you feel the most comfortable and it all goes back to like our our ancestry in the savannah it's like you want to be you know a tree height or slightly elevated um being able to see a long way with large animals in the mid ground and deep background nothing close so nothing's threatening but there's like plenty like there's hunting right right right and that's the most comforting visuals and so like a big sculpture can stand in for that so people you know a lot of these parks and stuff and and you know we'll have a sculpture and that kind of is scratching that old vestigial itch you have as a caveman yeah i mean look it up because I don't know the specifics, but it was a cool, like, what's the perfect view that most relaxes you.

Well, that really makes sense if you really stop and think about it because those reward systems are just hammered into our consciousness, or our DNA, rather. There's no way to sort of get just the ghost of it out of the human consciousness. Have you been hunting? Yes, I have. Yeah, yeah. I went hunting for this last book, and I loved it. Yeah?

I had a great time. I'm going hunting for the first time in October with this Steve Rinella character. He's a guy who's on this TV show called The Wild Within, and he's got a new one called Meat Eater. Great. And he goes to these fucked up places. Where are you going? Alaska.

Are you going, like, bear? No, deer. Deer, cool. I wanted to go after something that fucked up places. Where are you going? Alaska. Are you going like bear? No, deer. Deer. Cool. I wanted to go after something that I would really be into eating. Yeah, yeah. Totally. He mentioned bear first.

And apparently you can eat bears. But I guess it's trickier. I just don't want to feel bad about eating something. I went elk hunting. I love elk. I love it. It's delicious. It's delicious.

It's like crazy rocket fuel for your body yeah so it's so lean you eat a huge plate and you're hungry like if that's all you eat you're still but uh i didn't feel guilty and i thought i was going to yeah and you know i think part of it was i was with a guy guy who was really kind of holding my hand and it was sort of like he i was just pulling the trigger basically and holding the rifle he was sort of teaching me to hunt but also yeah i i thought i don't know why exactly i thought i was gonna feel guilty like i've been around hunts before and i've been like i don't kill that thing or right i was in the amazon and i talked to these guys that are killing a monkey you know i was like don't kill a monkey you know i'm not that hungry right and uh they were gonna kill a monkey to eat

it yeah yeah what were you doing in the amazon i was just chilling for real yeah i was i had uh you know i had a i had to kill that monkey i'm not that hungry whoa we were pretty hungry too uh these guys had two long story they had two bullets and one of them was no good we were there for like three weeks whoa it's like come on guys i i would have sprung for a box of bullets guys you know if you told me jesus so what did you guys do uh we you know caught fish and uh they the other bullet we did kill a bird like a like what it's like a ptarmigan kind of like a big jungle chicken they called it yeah and yeah i ate fruit and got a little skinny wow that must have been kind of spooky it was it was fun i mean i was i had just got you know my wife I just had a baby and then we sort of gotten through the

first eight months and then I was like you know peace this is I'm gonna go back to my like you know existence they used to travel and write that's what I did right right and so you were what down on the Amazon for like six weeks Wow and did that and when you know Billy would we hiked and built a raft that I'm gonna go with people oh yeah yeah yeah I had like two guides and they brought their friends. It was like these. It ended up being like. So you hired guides?

Yeah, yeah. So you didn't go with any of your friends? No, no, no, no, no. Really? So you just decided you don't have any friends? For real? No, no. I do have friends.

I mean, sort of. Sort of. You decided to hire some guys to take you to the amazon you'll appreciate this you know why you know why how it went down how i was gonna go see tony de souza oh okay in peru right who's go where's that who's in peru yeah yeah it's this high high it's like you know 11 000 feet it's a beautiful place by the way if you ever it's awesome but tony had been getting into all this you know tony's like a lunatic right he had been getting into all this. You know Tony. He's like a lunatic. Right.

He'd been getting into all this crazy stuff in the jungle. And he was going to show me. He was going to show me these sites and burial sites. So I was like, cool. I want to go down. I've never been to Peru. But Tony, his wife was having a baby in Argentina. So he skipped out on me.

So then I was trying to entertain myself. And I was like, I know what I'll do. I'll go. And I've never been in the amazon so i went um kind of in the northern part of the amazon which starts the headwaters in peru um and i was in like a little you know they call it unexplored it's not unexplored it's hunting trails everywhere but it just means a botanist hasn't been there um so you know there's potentially new plants wow that's that's fascinating. It was really cool, yeah. So you went to a pretty rare area.

Yeah, yeah. Have you seen those recent documentaries? And I don't recall the name of them, but there's been some recent studies and trips where they've uncovered some ancient civilizations inside of the Amazon. They've uncovered some ancient structures and some planning, like some city gridding and stuff. And they're really not exactly sure who built it or how old it is.

I don't know much about it. I mean, that's kind of what Tony was getting at, I think. And I know there's a lot of satellite imagery they're finding stuff because they can see the town grids from a distance. There's a lot of satellite imagery. They're finding stuff because they can see the town grits from a distance. And there's a lot of stuff in that jungle. That jungle is deep and big. They don't know. They don't know.

Yeah, there's like drug dealers in there. Oh, yeah. You know, people that are hundreds of miles from. I mean, there's undiscovered tribes. I don't know if there are still. There are. No, no, no. I know because I was actually part of this tv show pitch that didn't happen but there's like a couple thousand mostly in the

mato grado which is in brazil it's in sort of south of the uh of the amazon but yeah like two they estimate you know two three thousand people wow just living in the jungle uncontacted yeah that's crazy because you know there was a there was film footage and there was photos of an uncontacted tribe in the Amazon that turned out to be a hoax. I'm sure there's plenty of that. But you think there really still are some uncontacted tribes? That's what they say. They say there's a couple thousand. That's the big group.

There's a couple. I want to say there might be something in Indonesia as well or like you know Papua New Guinea or something but it's a much smaller group so what a crazy lifestyle they're in the middle of the jungle yeah just living off the land and their people like you or I they could have gone to Harvard yeah no kid their brain is exactly just exactly as smart as us just like you and they're living essentially like people live thousands of years ago well that, that was the, what you really realize

is that's how we're all supposed to be living. Yeah. Like, that's what you really evolved to do and like, all this like, but shouldn't we move past that?

Shouldn't we? Sure, no. Or should we? Well, I think, you know, we have and we have to. The art and science, you know, everything comes from it

but also like, fucking fantasy football comes from it because like, you're supposed to be this incredible student football comes from it because like you're, you're supposed to be this incredible student of your environment. Like, you know,

if you, I just always think about it like a little kid, like when you were a little kid and you had a yard, like you knew your yard so intimately, right. You knew like every corner and like the sand and the texture of the grass. And that's what you'd be like as an adult over like a 10 mile chunk of land. You would just,

you would like feel kind of what's going on there. You know where the animals are. All your expertise. Everything you ever learned to be good at would be focused on survival, hunting and fishing. Yeah, that would be your new game. And without it, now you have fantasy football. And now you need something to be an expert in. You know what I mean?

You have all this ability and if you're not using it it ends up you know at sports or espn but also you know math art science you know all human achievements so yeah all human achievements games all those things are they're essentially like sort of vehicles they're they're vehicles for you to travel outside of the the natural realm of the reward system like instead of hunting now you're playing chess right yeah instead of fighting transmogrified yeah exactly yeah transported it's weird how that happens yeah that's the thing with the addicts you know with addicts the best thing for an addict is to get addicted to something really positive like playing playing golf or something like that. Or running. Running, yeah. Yeah, they say that most self-destructive,

crazy, addictive sort of behavior junkies and the like, they can use that obsession. So a lot of it is just this ability to focus on things kind of crazily, and they've connected that to hunter-gatherer cultures. They say that that's why it exists. It exists because you had to have the ability to sit there for five hours and wait this fucking deer out. Because you had to eat that night.

And so you would focus intensely. Or we're all going to die. Exactly. You'd focus intensely on this one thing and become absolutely obsessed with it. And that's how you would hunt. That's how you would get animals. I mean, how about persistence hunting? Yeah.

I know. Isn't that crazy? It's fucking completely insane that's what we used to do before we had weapons we chased things and we killed them with our fucking face yeah because they were so tired yeah walk up to them and strangle them or whatever well it's funny because animals animals are a lot like fighters in that the sprinters have shit cardio right they can't keep going yeah and those deer they sprint and then they're fucking done man if you keep going you keep chasing after them for like a day they'll just drop dead and that's it

yeah they can't they can't handle it they don't sweat good yeah so it's just like yeah like a lot of fighters they're like super explosive yeah ultra muscular you know in the third round they're like fuck this everybody's like why can't they keep doing that you're like you don't know how much that's using up every time he explodes that's why he's gonna wait it's interesting because you know you you wonder about the racial side of things of court like you know when you see guys with tons of fast twitch black eyes or whatever and then you know they don't have the sometimes the stamina is not you know like their stamina goes away right yeah because they're exploding and and then all those receptors have to reset. All your chemicals have to find new ways of... Well, and there's also psychological aspects of it,

especially at the lower levels, because the guys who are that naturally athletic a lot of times don't have to work as hard, and a lot of times they don't have the mental toughness of a guy who has had to grind it out his whole life because he has no fast twitch. Now we're leading perfectly into this next topic. Here we go.

This is actually something I really wanted to get into with you because I think you're so well-situated to see this, to see the mental side of things in fighters and how they're watching guys' moods change and stuff. The question I had was, have you ever seen stuff in the weigh-ins that like really gave the game away to you like that you knew something was dehydrating right extreme dehydrating is really the only thing yeah well travis luter is the worst example ever when

travis luter fought anderson silva he missed weight and it became a non-title fight and i don't know what happened you know a lot of times something can happen during training your body shuts down you can't lose any water and you're fucked and that's where travis was he could not lose the extra weight and he um stayed around after the weigh-ins he did the weigh-ins miss weight and then tried to make the weight they gave him i believe they gave him a couple hours but he couldn't do it man he couldn't do it and he was shuffling towards the scale and i was like holy shit he can't even walk like he couldn't do it, man. He couldn't do it. And he was shuffling towards the scale. And I was like, holy shit, he can't even walk. Like, he couldn't even step up and walk. So I was like, that was, and he wound up losing.

By the way, he did fucking fantastic until he gassed. Until he gassed. Travis Luter might be one of the, as far as MMA goes, one of the biggest lost potential guys. That, like, when he was in his prime, he was so physically strong. His jujitsu was so fucking solid and tight. He missed the boat a little bit. He just,

his cardio was never like, never really went to like a full camp or you started doing it in his last couple of fights, but he should have done that when he was young. You know, he would have, he would have been a fucking beast. His jujitsu was like head and shoulders above everybody's.

And he had that kind of unstoppable quality. I remember I talked to Charles McCarthy and he said like, you could never stop him from doing what he wanted. Like he was gonna bully you across the cage and take you down on the far side and then he was gonna do what he did on the ground. And that's what he did to Anderson Silva. He really did. He's a tough motherfucker.

If he was in shape and he was healthy, Anderson Silva was fucked. He was fucked. Because it was a anderson silva was fucked he was fucked because it was a bad time for anderson too anderson had double knee surgery right six weeks before that fight right he had meniscus operation on both of his fucking knees right so when i saw anderson that night after the fight he was walking around limping like he just got double knee barred right and nothing happened he locked a triangle on tra and it beat the shit out of him. Right. So while his knees were in pain, he's beating the shit out of him. Elbow in the middle.

Travis. Yeah. That was one of the nastiest examples of what can happen if you get caught in a triangle. I know. It was gross. Yeah. Because he doesn't just put you to sleep. He beats the fucking shit out of you inside the triangle.

I know. It was horrendous. I know. Very rarely do guys tap from elbows from inside a triangle. It's a weird scene. Anderson's a motherfucker, dude. He can make you tap from elbows from inside a triangle. It's a weird scene. Anderson's a motherfucker, dude. He can make you tap from that. But that Travis Luter fight was a perfect example of when I saw him at the weigh-ins.

I was like, wow, this guy might be in trouble. So you've never seen an emotional thing? So hard to tell. Because some guys look super nervous. Jon Jones looked super nervous when he fought Shogun. Not at the weigh-ins, but coming into the cage. He was really, in my mind, he, but coming into the cage. He was like, he was really, in my mind, he was like really reacting to the pressure.

As opposed to when he fought Quentin or in his last fight against Rashad, he looked very calm. He's becoming like, he's not just ultra-talented. He's becoming ultra-confident. Not even ultra-confident because he always was that, but comfortable, okay? He's like, he's able to be himself in there.

But when he looked a little nervous when he came out and fought Shogun, he fought fucking stellar. So it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything. Particularly that guy. It's like, I mean, really. Yeah, I mean, sometimes you see a guy and you say, you know, I mean, it's like, you

know, when you're, I try not to do this too much, but when you're doing commentary, you want to think of something good to say. You look at his face, he looks fired up. up you go the dude looks fired up right you know you just gotta say it if you feel it right even though it does sound it's kind of cliche look at the look in his eyes you know yeah well but i mean that's part of what you're doing yeah yeah yeah setting it up but it is true too i mean i mean you know some guys they come in they look fucking super focused you know what i just was thinking of this. When I saw Mayhem Miller fight, who did he look terrible? Was it Bisping?

Bisping, yeah. I saw him walk down. I mean, I was watching it on TV, and I saw him walk down the aisle, and I was like, oh, my God, Mayhem's got something to lose. Oh. You know what I mean? And I talked to him a little bit about it, but at the time, I was like, oh, my God, look at his face.

He's got something to lose. He was nervous, not about getting hurt or anything. But he had a name now, you know what I mean? And it was like he was somebody. And he wasn't the gun coming in, the crazy man who cares if he wins or loses. Wow, yeah. Isn't that interesting how that changes? Yeah, I thought that was really interesting.

Well, you know, the hardest thing is, I i think becoming really good and then getting better you know i mean it's it's funny because that's what one of the things in that fighter's mind book was talking to you know um sports psychologists who do like big golfers and stuff like that and this guy would say you know if you hit it in the water you don't have a job but if you worry about that you're not going to make the shot. It's like you have to not be scared enough to let it hang out. You know what I mean? Like that Dan Henderson quality of life. Well, you know, it's a sport where it's really – at least in golf, there's millions of dollars.

I mean, those guys, when they're playing professionally, they're already making money. Pool players have it harder than anybody. A top-level pool player makes $100,000 a year, $200,000 a year, the best in the world. That's a real struggle. So there's guys that are like former world champions that are like on the grind, trying to play in a weekend tournament to win $1,000. Right.

You know, like the whole weekend you play, and if you win, you win $1,000. That's like common. That's normal. That's a normal week wow yeah and you try to learn anything about it it's fucking brutal and every shot right the consistency is so tough to maintain and it's so hard to maintain focus yeah you know anything where you worry about losing anything right like in in the game of pool if you worry about missing a shot you're gonna fucking miss the shot period absolutely if you start thinking about what if it rattles in the pocket like you're you're literally projecting that you have to not just be good not just know what you're doing but you have to have a clear idea what's going to happen your thought process you know it doesn't mean you're always going to make the ball but it definitely means you're

going to fucking miss if you don't have that thought process in place and i believe that's the same thing with fighting i think i think that exists with everything the more negative thoughts you like i've had some really bad comedy sets in my life i've had some fucking horrendous bombings i've sucked some incredible buckets of cock on stage but every time i did it i was worried about doing that every time i did it, I was worried about doing that. Every time I did it, either I wasn't confident enough with where I was as a comedian at the time or with my material. There was a reason. And that overwhelmed me. I wasn't ready for that yet. For whatever reason, I hadn't learned those lessons yet.

I think with martial arts, it's way harder than anything else. Because like we were talking about with caveman reward systems, that is the reward system. That is the ultimate sport. There's nothing else that even comes close to it in terms of the visceral connection with the human psyche, the one-on-one combat with another man. And the defeat is so crushing.

Just devastating, devastating. I forget who it was, but somebody said it's like sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother. In front of your mother. Was that you? Yeah.

So brilliant. I said, it's bombing on stage and getting your ass kicked. That's like the most brilliant thing I've ever heard. And I use that all the time because it's like,

it's got a little shock value. You know what I mean? Yeah, it is. It's like sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother. Especially getting knocked out by a guy. You know, that's really hard. You know, it's that's really hard you know it's that

the thing about you know how much we value free will and something i really wrote about was like you know if you're unconscious i can do whatever the fuck i want to you've lost your free will yeah you know what i mean you're you're done and i think that's kind of there's like a silly aspect of fighting sometimes when guys will say i'm willing to die in there you're like really you're not gonna die you know well you have to think that though you do to be able to push yourself to a dangerous dangerous place and you have to be content that's like being content with failure you're like you know if i die so be it that's important but also it's kind of about valuing that you know i'd sooner die than let you dominate me that kind of right that kind of mentality you know

like that's that's a big thing randy couture talked a lot about you know what you're saying with um negative thoughts he would because he was when he was coaching wrestlers he would say if i yelled at somebody like you know don't get don't get taken down they get taken right then boom they're down you know he's like whereas instead if i realized if i was like you know work get the underhook get the underhook do you know all this positive stuff give him something that he knows what to do, then you can have success, which was an interesting, you know, sort of very simple lesson, but it was... Well, nothing's worse than someone standing next to you telling you what not to do, right? That's a terrible thing.

Don't be not funny. Yeah. Don't say anything stupid. Yeah, it's impossible. Don't pull your cock out. Yeah. What's... The fuck man I mean that is one of the reasons

Why Catholic school girls Become sluts Yeah Right Absolutely It's a reaction Suppression What are you gonna do

People don't like suppression It doesn't work It doesn't work man It doesn't work Yeah I tell it to parents all the time Like that shit doesn't work Encouragement

I know those girls Don't do that Don't do it Yeah Encouragement is where it's at Yeah Don't do that. Don't do it. Yeah, encouragement is where it's at. Yeah. Suppression just creates porno stars. Right, exactly.

Which we all need. It's such a weird thing. The world fucking has a balance to it all. I guess so. I think. We're pretending it does. I wonder if we get to a point where we have CGI porn where we go, you know what? We're going to start taking care of our kids.

They have that in Japan. Dude, they have all that? Anime anime porn it's not real though. It doesn't like no people I mean like CGI porn like we plug into your brain or so I mean like where it looks like real humans Oh, if it's just gonna I mean eventually it'll be the brain But instead of looking at actual people fucking right it was all CG. Yeah all CG I mean that's that reality is not far away no no no i mean i would say it's probably here in some computer guy's lair somewhere not quite but it's pretty goddamn

close it's like you remember um uh i am legend yes remember how bad the lions looked right yeah i mean i vaguely remember the zombies not working at all the zombies weren't so good but at least they were monsters like i can accept some crazy looking monsters. But I know what a fucking lion looks like, man. Right, right, yeah. You can't make... That ain't it. Yeah, that ain't it. That's a fake ass looking lion.

Well, I mean, listen, even... Brian, see if you can pull that up because it's so ridiculous. Pull up the scene, the lion scene in I Am Legend. Fake lions in I Am Legend. Because it looks so stupid. It's got to be online. Even the Star Wars, to me, the models look better. The models had a little bit of... fake lions and i am legend because it looks so stupid it's got to be online even the star wars to me the the models look better yeah the models had a little bit of there's some million little

details like your eyes aren't picking up or your conscious mind isn't picking up right of like the weight of the model and the way the light is casting on the model versus the cg is like beautiful right but it looks flat and it doesn't look you know it's not as good it's not a real object it's good dude put the fucking you know whatever i mean but cg for some shit is the way to go like they tried to do that wolfman movie with benicio del toro oh yeah and they tried to go with the models with like a mask he's gonna go yeah it's like it's so corny bad i was like no you can't do that anymore it's a tough one yeah but they still they spliced in some cgi shit like when he was running on rooftops right cgi so it was like wait a minute you gotta fucking make a commitment here yeah pick one it's one of the other sons of bitches i see those

lines yeah these lines are so bad looking first of all what a fucking badass movie because i enjoyed it even though it did have shit special effects. The lines didn't really bother me too much. So now I'm interested to see how really bad they are. It's the idea of being in Manhattan and hunting is cool. This is what I'm talking about. This is such a fervid myth of the city's mine.

I can go wherever I want. Do whatever I want. Yeah, that is weird. My new book I actually got into this with some professors Whatever I want. Yeah, that is it. This is my new book. I actually got into this with some professors and shit about what the empty city means. What does it mean? You know, it's tough.

I mean, there's a historic... You know, Mary Shelley, the woman who invented Frankenstein, wrote the first post-apocalyptic novel. Really? Called The Last Man. Whoa. Pretty wild, right? Mary Shelley was a badass bitch. Good imagination on you, Mary. Way to go, Mary.

I wonder if she was taking milk of the poppy. Yeah, yeah. Was it an opium eater or something? What were we on to, Mary? Were you eating hash? See, this is the scene. The deer's out there. And the deer's fake, too.

And he's getting ready to shoot the deer. And the deer doesn't look too bad. Oh, right. But sweat how bad this lion looks. A lion came out and took down the deer. That's okay right there, but look at this whack-ass fake lion. Watch how stupid this thing looks. Simba. That's pretty sweet so far.

No, look at this fake-ass looking lion's son. Yeah, no, it looks like the MGM lion or something. Yeah, the thing is walking so fake. Yeah, it's not walking on that ground at all. It looks like it would talk. Right. Well, I'm Aslan. No, Will, you don't want to. We're looking at a shit video off of YouTube, too.

If you look at it in high definition, it's really obvious. Let's go, Sam. Oh, it's got a good dog. See that stupid looking lion just staring at him? I didn't think it was that bad. That's terrible. You're being overly critical.

No, you're looking at it in a terrible low resolution video. I'll show you something crazier. Did you see this? That small town in China where they thought they found this like rare mushroom? It's a flashlight.

Yeah. Yeah, it's true. It's a sex toy are you kidding me yeah look at this like they did a whole report about how they found this mushroom and they couldn't tell until like the next day people were like dude that's a flashlight right here it is oh my god it's a butthole flashlight also by the way is this crazy is this a scam bro that's what i'm wondering is this no i don't think so because i i mean i looked and it was like on a lot of news flashlight thing yeah i mean the news oh my god look at that brian you sure this isn't even a real flashlight because it's got a

butthole on one side and a flashlight on the other that's a fake flashlight yeah it's a fake knockoff i can see where it kind of looks like i'm Come on, man. These people know what plastic is. They wouldn't know that that's plastic. Yeah, this is a goddamn scam Well, I know that the the news company is legit and they had to give like this like like apology letter Maybe it's a scam. Maybe it's a scam to the deepest level. Maybe the news company is in on it. They're in on it. These motherfuckers. Would that surprise anyone? Look at them touching it. Not anymore.

Not anymore. The webs of ownership. Yeah, nothing shocks me anymore. I love it. It's crazy. You know, I saw a lion kill a warthog in Africa. Really? I was walking. I was on foot, and I saw him. You know, I saw a lion kill a warthog in Africa. Really? I was walking.

I was on foot, and I saw him. You saw the run? Yeah. Wow. You saw like a poof, and then. You were on foot? Yeah, we had to get out of there because it's dangerous. Jesus Christ.

Because the male came in, and he'll drive the females off and take it, and then they'll be pissed. And they'll come out looking for you, and they just fuck you up. They'll eat whatever, so you have to get out of there. Oh, my God. That's scary. But it sounded like when he started roaring it sounded like he was amped. It sounded like there was like a like he had a mic and was there

was like a you know like a big stereo system back there. Really? Somebody's cranking the line. Yeah so loud. That must have been weird as fuck. It was pretty weird. It's pretty cool. To be around a giant cat roaring. Yeah. And it's How far away was it from you? I mean the kill was pretty

close it's like maybe i mean it's a while ago but 100 yards or something like that you know so not not bad but uh then we when you get in the car this these guys came around with their jeeps and we got in now you're safe like they don't care they don't they don't react that that doesn't read as prey car doesn't read so even though it's an open-air Jeep, like, lions never mess with a Jeep. What? They don't mess with it. What? Because it doesn't read.

They don't care. I don't. I can't. I'm not buying that. That's nonsense. They're not going to come into the Jeep and drag you away. What the fuck is that? Do they have guns in that Jeep?

We had, yeah, they just had rifles. We almost had to kill an elephant on that trip. What? Because it was chasing us. Yeah. What? Yeah. On foot, we were were walking and this young

male elephant oh no and it's like being followed home by a mugger you know what i mean because he's like still coming we're like walk faster actually this is a funny story so they're like okay when an elephant charges he'll come they'll say he'll mock charge once or twice so you don't run because then he'll chase you so you don't don't run right so because he'll come and he'll make noise and he'll wave his ears so we we were we saw some elephants crossing his field so we snuck around i was with two guides two african guides we sat down and there was a couple other tourists like me that were there and uh this one elephant starts coming closer and he starts breaking stuff and getting a little pissy.

And then he charges. And I see the guides sprinting by me. You know what I mean? Like pushing little old ladies over. Like nobody's standing up. And I'm like, don't charge. And there go the guides. So I turned and ran.

And then one of the guides turned around and he didn't have the right round chamber. Like, to kill an elephant, you need a big, huge armor-piercing round or whatever. He was trying to get it in his rifle. Oh, Jesus. And he sort of stood it down, and it did. It backed off. Oh, Jesus. But then it followed us for, like, maybe two miles.

Oh, my God. Like 400 yards, 300 yards, coming closer. But you'd look back, look back and just coming along. And it is really possible that someone in that elephant's life fucked with one of its loved ones, and it was a person that shot one. Well, they're going to have to kill it. They had to kill it, I'm sure, at some point. Because that was not too far from Kruger Park,

so there's a lot of traffic. They have an overcrowding elephant, so they have to kill the really aggressive ones. They usually kill them from a helicopter. What makes them aggressive is it just young males just young males just young dickheads yeah yeah exactly elephants are so smart man yeah it's it's amazing like how much uh information they store in their heads elephants can draw pictures of themselves you ever seen that i've seen some of that stuff the thailand stuff yeah crazy yeah and they recognize each other after like seven, ten years.

Your jaw just falls. When you first see that elephant painting that thing, it's like you're like. You're like, what? It's like, yeah, you want to start crying or something. You ever seen an elephant get taken down by a lion? No. Where did you see that? Oh, my God.

Not in person. On line. Is it? There's a bunch of lions. When lions get super hungry, there's nothing they can do. They'll take a chance and try to take down an elephant. Yeah. And it's a bunch of lines when lines get super hungry, right? There's nothing they can do They'll they'll take a chance and try to take down an elephant Yeah, it's a bunch of them and they they're jumping on this fucking line taking it down It's really crazy

And they get the lion to a point where it's almost dead like they're holding it down and the lion Freaks out and jumps up and goes for a fucking mad run. Look at this. This elephant's painting itself. Yeah fucking crazy It's completely i've never seen this before in the beginning it's like this most beautiful well not only that you have to stop and think not only is this elephant capable of the fine motor movements that it takes to paint how long has he been painting yeah because if you gave that to a child and asked to paint trust me i have a two-year-old and you can't recognize anything she does look at that i have a four-year-old and at four years old recognize anything she does. Look at that elephant. I have a four-year-old, and at four years old, now I'm starting to see, like, this is a rabbit.

This is a person. That elephant has a nice hand, nice touch. Yeah, that's a nice, and the ear, that was like a nice aesthetic. Yeah, no, he's got line weight. You know, I went to art school, man. Line weight. There you go. Yeah, exactly.

Like a tattoo. Yeah, it's amazing. The elephants can be super smart, man. Yeah, no, they're amazing. I remember there was one when I was living in Thailand thailand at that camp there was one a couple behind the camp it was so you go uh sleep in the hammock near him isn't it crazy that people are after their fucking horns yeah like people killed them for their horns you know that's a that's a weird fucking thing yeah i did not know elephants painted.

Yeah, isn't it incredible? Look at these paintings, too, man. They're incredible. They know how many legs they have. That's better than monkey. Yeah, way better than a monkey's painting. I've never seen a monkey paint that good. Look at that.

It's got a tail. It's got a little... It's proportion, man. The proportions are excellent. That's probably better than most people could probably draw. Way better. 100%. I wanted to be an artist, and I couldn't do much better than that.

It's incredible. No, I couldn't paint. I mean, that's a better, for what it is. Meanwhile, this is all CGI. We're getting... Yeah, this is the... I do think that elephant's... The fleshlight mushroom.

Yeah. I do think that elephant's been trained. Oh, of course he has. Yeah. No doubt. It's not like he's just picking up the brush and getting after it. But I mean, how long did it take him to learn?

Yeah. I would like to know if it takes a child four years. The delicacy of that stroke with the trunk is pretty sweet. Yeah. And especially the trunk

is such an unwieldy sort of an instrument, I would think. I don't know. But they could pick you up with your fucking trunk and beat the shit out of you. It'd be fun to have one

in the middle of your chest or something like that. Maybe. Or on your back. If women didn't think it was disgusting. No, no. If everyone had one. Yeah.

Now they can't do it. Yeah. It'd be cool if everybody had one. If it was just like, you know, like what if women weren't into dudes with arms? You know, it's like, oh, you have arms? Yeah, it's a new thing. Evolution. We're not crawling on our bellies anymore.

Shit. Manipulate. Yeah, if we all had an extra arm, that would totally be effective it would help you yeah some sort of a trunk or tail you could use or any of that stuff think of the jujitsu options you know that's what i always think of the options get submitted to right check out this line going or this elephant going fucking ape shit you ever see this video i think so pissed. Oh, I don't want to see this. They get crazy, dude. I've seen an elephant losing its mind

in the San Francisco Zoo. He was cooped up, and he was walking in circles. He was going... I don't want to watch this, man. He's going to start killing people. I've seen this video. Yeah.

It bums me out. Rag-polling people. It fucking bums me out that someone has to live in India. Then it bums me out that the elephant's there. Then it bums me out that someone has to live in India. It bums me out that the elephant's there. It bums me out those poor fucks get trampled by that elephant.

That's just a bummer. It's just a bummer all around. There's nothing good there. It's crazy when you stop and think about how crowded America is and then think about a place like India where there is more than three times as many people. It's hard to even think.

If you have running water in your house you're like in the one percent of the world like you're in you're in you're rich in the world no it's not that much but it's in the world like really just you if you have running water you're like in the top 50 you're rich i don't think people really understand no well you can't wrap your head around it it's such a how lucky you are to even yeah you don't even know if you'd be listening to this podcast you're a lucky some bitch you know i mean yeah it's it's hard to imagine living in a world where running water is not common but that is a huge percentage of the plan yeah isn't that weird dysentery and does it ever get to a point where that's not the case does it ever get to a point

where right everybody has a full technological society and when it hits that point, will it be so fucking overpopulated and crazy that we'll likely have already blown ourselves up? Right. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, what's interesting is like, what was I just reading about the city? Like the city, you know, the Malthus, Malthusian was like, that's where the early ideas of the population bomb come.

Malthus was this like, that's where the early ideas of the population bomb come. Malthus was this, you know, English philosopher or whatever. But, like, he was sure London was going to crash. Like, this isn't like, you know, 1780 or whatever it was. For too many people. It's too crowded. Yeah, yeah. But the city keeps growing and keeps working and actually, like, becomes. Oh, I know where I was reading it.

It was in this journal era book. But it becomes like, you know, now it's more than 50% of the world lives in cities. And they are, like, successful. And somehow these very complex systems function and these things evolve. So, I mean, will everybody have running water? Who knows, man. That's a tough one. Will it ever work out?

Well, you know, some woman, there was a story that somebody sent me on Twitter today that I thought was just completely ridiculous. A woman, they cut all her plants down. She made sure that the place where she lived had exemptions for, like, growing plants. They couldn't be any higher than, like, 12 inches, and they had to be edible, but you could plant whatever you wanted in your lawn as long as it fit those criteria. So this woman apparently was into botany, so she grew all these herbs and vegetables and all these different things. And so I don't know what fucking city.

Oh, Tulsa, Oklahoma, these fucking monkeys. So they came, and the cops chopped her fucking garden down. It's on my Twitter. If you look at twitter.com forward slash Joe Rogan. Way to go, guys. Way to go. Yeah, today is June 19th. So there's a video about it where it shows the garden, and it wasn't unkempt.

It was very beautiful. It just looked like a natural garden. She had it roped off, and it was the front lawn of her house. And you would walk by, and you would go, oh, there's a garden. It's off and it was the front lawn of her house and you know you would walk by when you would go oh there's a garden it's not like you know it was anything like disgusting like you know she had fucking garbage laying around or anything was it was very nice but what what kind of a world do we live in where you're you can't even grow plants on your own fucking front lawn like really can you legislate that We've decided to make little things and write them down on paper where we can stop you from

growing. Not even illegal plants. Regular vegetables and herbs and spices and things that you eat every day. Normal shit. And we can cut some lady's shit down. Some morons. Some jackbooted dildos. What the fuck, man?

Is there nothing else to do? Yeah. Really? I mean, that's what the police are up to? Yeah, you should have a priority list, you assholes. A priority list. Murderers. Have you gotten all the murderers?

No? Yes. Then stop with the parking tickets. Stop with the fucking parking tickets. Stop with all the bullshit. It should be 100% focused on the bad shit first. Speaking of murders, you know 46% of murders in California go unsolved? Jesus Christ.

How much? 46%. That's good odds. Jesus Christ. Can you believe that? Brian's looking at a list of people he doesn't like. There's a good chance. You're going to get away.

That's not bad. I want you to sum this thing about, I don't know if you've heard of this. Powerful OJ Simpson. Is that because of Mexicans? Hey. No, I mean because they don't've heard of this. Prof. O.J. Simpson. Is that because of Mexicans? Hey. No, I mean because they don't have them on record, like their names and stuff. So they don't know. I think it's just because of it's so hard to do.

You know, I think they'd like you to think they're going to catch you. Yeah. Well, this ain't CSI. I don't know if this is a thing called the SAFE Act. Have you seen this thing? No, what's that? I went to this meeting. It's actually, like, really interesting.

They're trying to get rid of the death penalty. They're putting the death penalty on a referendum for the first time so you can vote on it. Never been voted on before. And take all the money they, because, you know, it costs stupid amounts of money and nobody ever gets killed. So, like, the warden at Pelican Bay was like, when I came here in the 70s, there were six people on death row. When I left 30 years later, there were 700 people on death row. And they'd executed four people in that time. Why is it so hard to execute people?

Because of appeals and it goes on forever. And then they die of, you know, old age or complications or whatever. You can just keep appealing and appealing? They get, like, 11. There's tons of appeals. Really? And they're like they're like exonerating people off of death row. What? Yes. Who got

exonerated off of death row? There's been two people that have been exonerated. Two or three. There's websites. Exonerated from their crimes in total? Yes. Wrong guy. Oops. Oh Jesus Christ. DNA. Oops. Oh Jesus Christ. So that brings the question of like why don't we just do life and and then it's like it's much cheaper is it yeah it's it's keeping somebody on the throw

is like i forget but it's the numbers it's like 150 000 a year i think we have this uh eye for an eye type shit yeah no it's emotionally satisfying yeah but it's like you know there's like this and i there's a lot there's a lot of you know if you start taking a hard look at the judicial system it's pretty bad yeah you know like there's like 2 000 kids that are locked up tried as adults for non-violent crimes in the whole country whoa like what crimes like they're in the car they're in the car because you can get tried so like if you're in the car if you're at the scene of a crime in a lot of states and there's a capital crime committed everyone is charged with that crime

and it's a way they can get you if like they don't have anything hard on you but so if you're in a car and you're like your buddy runs into the liquor store so like a 13 year old kid're in a car and your buddy runs into the liquor store, so like a 13-year-old kid's in a car, in the backseat of a car, and the other gang member runs into the liquor store and kills somebody, he gets capital crime, does life. Oh. And I think I'm not... So it's just guilt by assassination? Yeah, it's basically that's how it works.

But it's... Please fact check me on this, but it's like I think how it works but it's it's don't mind don't you know i'm not i've don't please fact check me on this but it's like i think a hundred percent of them are black guilt by association is ridiculous because we've all known fucked up people i mean and we've all been in a bad situation listen we all could be locked up if it had been us and not somebody you know what i mean like we've all done shit where it's been like... I've met people that turned out to be murderers. I've met people that were thieves. Really?

Murderers? Who did you meet who was a murderer? There was a guy named, well, his fake name was Raphael Torrey. And I don't remember his real name. Where did you meet him? Well, he was friends with Eddie Bravo. Oh, yeah, well, Eddie runs with some hot dudes. Well, it wasn't even that.

The guy was a reporter for an online MMA site. And he was telling people that he was a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. But Eddie figured out that he wasn't a black belt. Eddie rolled with the guy. And he was like, this doesn't make any sense. This guy's fucking terrible. Right. He doesn't have the right instincts.

He doesn't know how to roll. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, you know in a minute. Yeah. I'm sure you're like, you obviously aren't what you say you are. Well, I became suspicious. I doesn't have the right instincts. He doesn't know how to roll. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, you know in a minute. Yeah. I'm sure you're like, this is, you're not, you obviously aren't what you say you are. Well, I became suspicious.

I didn't know the dude. I only met him like a couple of times, but he would go away and have these fake fights. Right. And he went away to Thailand and had an MMA fight, you know, and this is back when you couldn't really check

on that kind of shit. Yeah. And what was crazy is he said he won by twister twister is Eddie Bravo's signature move It's like a guillotine of wrestling but there's a bunch of setups and it becomes a submission when you you ask up the top of Their head that's so hard to get the twister so hard to get yeah, so for a guy who's some whack-ass You know submission guy who just got? Educated on the twister. It's not like if you went and taught Jake Shields the twister and then he got it that night, I would say, well, of course, he's Jake Shields.

He could basically do any kind of grappling move. You just have to show it to him once. No, this is some guy who everybody was tapping and didn't want to roll with anybody. So we kind of knew that something was fake. You can sort of sniff that stuff, yeah. Well, it turns out Homeboy was dating this woman who was married and killed the husband it choked him to death wow yeah we don't know if it's like did it with a cord or rear naked or what but he choked some guy to death guy died yeah and then yeah he's in jail for it yeah but so

i mean what the fuck man what if i was in the car with that guy because he was friends with eddie you could get tried he stopped in in that school to go with that guy because he was friends with Eddie. You could get tried. He stopped in that school to go choke that guy to sleep or whatever. We don't want to hear it. I think the main thing is like, I don't want to preach at you, but

you start getting into it, it's pretty bad in terms of people. I met this guy in Florida because I was doing research i was in in these jails in florida and like he was a real estate agent and he was sitting in jail for a year and a half without a trial lost his job lost his house lost everything because he had been when he was 18 he'd been he was a felon i think he'd done like a b&e or something like that which is now he's in his 30s late 30ss, or even his early 40s.

Cleaned up his life, had a job for 15 years. His mom's moving. He helps his mom move into her new apartment. She loses her keys, so he breaks the door to get her in. Gets arrested for it. Oh, no. And we're like, I'm telling this to some of the officers. They're like, oh, these guys are all snookering you, you idiot.

And no, we got somebody to look at it. And they're like, oh, these guys are all snookering you, you idiot. You know? And no, we got to let somebody look at it. And they're like, oh, yeah. And they sprung him. But he sat there for a year and a half waiting for a lawyer. Oh, my God. Because he couldn't get one. You know? Like, he just didn't have the connection.

Yeah. In jail. Lost everything. Helping his mom get into her fucking house. Right? Because in the three strikes, I mean, you've heard of all that stuff. The crazy. I don't want to get into it.

But it's like, it's because it's so depressing, and I don't want to preach, but it's worth the safe act. Anyway, get into it in California if you live in California. So many cops are so fucking cynical. I mean, it's such a hard job. Yeah. You know, they don't get paid enough, and they get treated like shit, and everybody, you know, thinks of them as the enemy.

Yeah. And you can get so cynical because everybody's lying to you all day. You're seeing the worst of humanity. You're seeing people on their the enemy. Yeah. And you can get so cynical because everybody's lying to you all day. You're seeing the worst of humanity. You're seeing people on their worst day. Yeah. And it's like, it's hammer thinking, you know, it's like, if all you see is nails. Yeah. And that's all you ever see.

I actually got into this. I was friends with this guy named Steve Rodriguez, corresponding with him. And he's a famous police sniper with, you know he i think he's was you know at one point was a very well-known police sniper he's been on shows and stuff but we're talking a lot about you know cops you got it you got to train them you got to equip them you got to arm them i mean most of them will never shoot their gun most of them never end up using their stuff but they still have to have that mentality and what that creates that creates this system where you're you know you're seeing bad guys everywhere and you know the self

fulfilling prophecy and all that stuff well I have a friend that I like very much and he's a cop and he's a good guy and I know he is but he's got crazy ideas about pot and he's right you know and before they decriminalized it you know he was like hey I don't give a fuck if a guy's got a fucking medical marijuana card. I'm fucking still arresting him. And me and him, we had a conversation

and I go, bro, that's fucking dumb. That's dumb. I go, you like beer. Don't you like beer? Yeah.

What if the government said you couldn't have a beer? You'd be like, what the fuck kind of bullshit country is this where I can't have a fucking beer? I work all day,

I want a beer. I go, that's the same thing. It's a joint. It ain't hurting anybody i'm like i smoke it dummy i mean you're wrong you know you're couldn't be more wrong couldn't be more wrong i mean this is after we did jujitsu for an hour and a half right dude we just strangled each other for a fucking hour and a half you're telling me weed's bad for you right you're crazy

yeah it's so stupid it's it's a it's a dumb thing to get stuck on the wrong side of and as a cop you sort of get trapped in this good guy bad guy here's the law this is the game this is i can go i can go after this one this one's a target this one's not you know becomes and then you know california cops are suing the state because of quotas that are supposed to be illegal right but they get enforced anyway quotas for speed tickets and all sorts of different stupid things. What would we do if the fucking world became an unbelievably peaceful place, we all achieved enlightenment, and there was no more speeding tickets? What would you do?

Would you make the cops responsible? Would you make them start pulling people over that were going the speed limit? Say, fuck it, just write tickets. They're not going to fight it. They're just going to pay. People have jobs. They don't have the time. Right, no, no.

Then the cops become enemies. Yeah. The cops start faking crimes and arresting themselves for the crimes. I mean, they're going to... Right, right. Start chasing each other around.

They're going to start fucking making fake crime. Yeah. And essentially, that's what they've done in a lot of places. That's what Occupy Wall Street has been a victim of. Yeah, totally. Cops have become fake instigators of crime. And essentially, that's what they've done in a lot of places. That's what Occupy Wall Street has been a victim of.

Yeah, totally. Cops have become fake instigators of crime. There was the thing that happened in Seattle at the World Trade Organization. Is that what it is? WTO? The Battle for Seattle, yeah. Yeah, you remember that shit? Well, they had fucking military-grade uniforms on.

They had military boots on. Like, Alex Jones might be a nutter, and he might say some crazy shit shit but there's a certain percentage of the shit that he says it makes a hundred percent totally sense yeah and that was one of them was that these people they you know they call them i don't know what what you call what the official word for them is uh that someone that goes into uh a place and purposely antagonizes things breaks windows like Yeah, like, what do you call it? I know what you're talking about. Anarchists, whatever you would call it. Provocateur.

Provocateur, thank you. That's exactly what it is. They create a situation where the situation is peaceful. So all these people are basically walking around, they're saying, hey, this is bullshit. Let's stop this horrible injustice, and we're protesting peacefully. And cops come in and start smashing windows,

and then they say, oh, someone's smashing windows yeah and then they say oh someone's smashing windows yeah and they send in i know we should do let's get some rpgs yeah well everyone's like what who the fuck's that guy that wants to set everything on fire yeah no they did that with the the patriot act they had they busted a bunch of guys for terrorism and like it turned out like the fbi's going to these guys who of course they're anti-american muslims which you know i'm not that's not shocking and like they're and the guys like you know coming to them as uh somebody's from you know whatever syria or whatever he's saying do you guys want to buy some rpgs and blow up the they're like yeah sounds like a great idea boom like we got the cell you know what i mean these guys couldn't you know they. Well, in a certain way, I'm down for arresting them as well.

Sure. There was a guy in Dallas. They actually gave him a bomb. Yeah. There's that kind of shit. It's pretty bad. Some of it's pretty like chasing their tail. You know, like there.

Yes and no. They did find a guy that had been involved for a long time in anti-American activities. And he did have the intent to he pressed the button he was guy was he they gave him a fake bomb and he tried to activate right right so i say fuck him yeah no i got no problem with that i say i'm glad that they're sneaky cunts when it comes to that i don't like a plant and coke on some teenager you know i mean there's there's been situations like that where they talk someone into selling drugs yeah and turns out the the person would have never done it, but it looks like they can get away with it. And so they go through, and then they arrest the kid, and he winds up doing 25 years.

Yeah, and everybody he's been talking to is a cop except for him. None of that. Those cops and DEA agents wind up being junkies. That happens a lot. DEA guys, a lot. I mean, look, they're not immune to the pull of the chemicals. There was a great Rolling Stone article about a kid who's doing 25 fucking years

and he wanted to he was selling pot in like small amounts to his friends and this guy talked him into a big coke deal and it was a fake coke deal. It was a coke deal that he had orchestrated. But the cop talked him into this fake coke deal. Boom, the kid goes away for like 25 plus okay the cop turns out to be a junkie

gets fired from the forest for fucking with evidence and he gets disgraced as a cop yeah and this no one just goes back and looks at his cases and goes well let's find out right who he fucked over no one cares he was crazy and reckless that's what i'm saying about once you start looking at some of these things because once you get it's like there's a lot of like you know it's jailhouse snitches pointed them out and they're like you know they're all they've all recanted their test you know anyway it gets it gets pretty it's disturbing and it's racist stories like that yeah and people don't care you know they don't care that someone becomes just a number in a box that's out in the middle of the field the prison box yeah because with the reality also is we have privatized prison systems in this country and that's in terror that's one of the most

terrifying things ever that someone can profit off of people being in jail it's really and the the the union the the the ceo's union is like so powerful and they get paid double time yeah every time a prison's overcrowded. Jesus Christ. So they support heavily all the three strike laws and all that stuff. Of course. They're profiting. Because if you're a CO, you make better money.

We have to figure out what is okay to profit on and what is not okay to profit on. People get addicted to that money coming in. I'm not saying that cigarettes should be illegal, because I think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do. Of in. I'm not saying that cigarettes should be illegal because I think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do. Of course. I like cigars. And I don't like cigarettes, but maybe if I lived in another life, I would.

Nothing wrong with it. But when a fucking company is responsible for selling something that absolutely kills the fuck out of 400,000 people in this country every year, that country owes. Or year, that country owes. Or rather, that company owes. That company owes. They need to be on the hook for the medical issues. And they are to a certain extent.

I mean, they have big payouts that they have to do on a regular basis. But you want to talk about people that are something that's preying on society. That is a goddamn vampire. I don't care if it's a vampire that's set on motion by personal freedom and personal choice that's still a vampire that's a vampire on society no i mean there's this side this corporatization this is we're getting dangerously and close to politics here but like you know it's it's corporations aren't people that's a dangerous idea like you're responsible as shareholders.

You're responsible for maximizing profits. There's not, like, an ethics there, you know? When someone says it's just business, it's because they're fucking you. You know what I mean? Diffusion of responsibility. That's the issue. Yeah, that's the only reason they would say that. You know, that's all that means.

This is my favorite. It's business story was when my agent told me that they had to drop me if I wouldn't apologize to Carlos Mencia and it's because they had Carlos Mencia with television and with stand-up and they only had me with stand-up and they were making money off him. They said, well, look, it's business because he

wanted me to apologize to him or he wanted them to drop me. And I was like, first of all, it's not your choice to them, I said, because I won't work with you ever again because you proposed this. This is the most disgusting, ridiculous idea. And they said, listen, man, this is business.

It's all it is. It's just business. I go, wow, do you listen to what you're saying? I go, you're supporting literally a criminal because you know that you can make more money off of it. I go, you guys are selling art. That's what you do you sell art yeah you've got a guy who's stealing from the people who create the art that you sell and you're like but he's stealing really well so we're going to keep supporting that and that's what business is like you're in the wrong business yeah because

you're in the art business you fuckheads you're you're supporting a fucking vampire so you know the beautiful thing about it was that it wound up costing them. Right. Because, first of all, Mencia leaves them in a year. Second of all, Louis C.K. dumped them immediately. Right. Louis C.K. P, fuck.

He's the best. Yeah. He's right away. He was like, he came up to me at the improv and he goes, is this all true? They told you that you had to apologize to him? I said, absolutely, 100%. He goes, okay, fuck them. Right.

He goes, I'm firing them. Right. Yeah. I love that guy. I love his show. He's the best. Nick Swartzen did the same thing. Right. Nick Swartzen was like He goes, okay, fuck them. He goes, I'm firing them. I love that guy. He's the best. Nick Swartzen did the same thing. Nick Swartzen was like, what, dude?

Fuck you. It was beautiful. So two guys. Didn't the guy that told you that also get fired or quit or something like that also? No, the guy who he was supporting left and went to CAA. And then after all this had fell apart, and the dude fell apart, my former agent, I love the guy. I'll never say his name. I love him still to this day.

He wound up sitting next to me on a plane once. For like fucking three hours and shit. I forget where we were going, but just randomly sat next to me on this plane and we talked. But I let him know. I mean, I didn't have – he was an employee. He was an agent. And I was on the phone with the actual owner of the agency.

Who's like, Rogan will play ball. I'm going to lay on the line for Rogan. I don't want to handle. I hit him with some. First of all, they called me. I was high as fuck. OK, but I hit him with some heavy, heavy karma talk. Yeah. I said, listen, man, I said, I've been to your house. I go, you're wealthy. I go, you're a rich guy. Okay? I know where you live. I've been to your other house in Aspen. Okay? You're a wealthy man. You don't need to make this decision.

I go, this is a terrible decision. Because you're setting in motion a very real ethic. And that ethic is, I don't care about what's right. I don't care about morals. I don't care. I care about what I can get away with. And if I can support this criminal, I'm going to do that. And I'm going to profit off of that.

Because I'm responsible to the shareholders. There was like a silence on the phone. I said, listen very carefully to me. Because the decision you make right now is going to be one step that's going to affect pretty much the motion of the rest of your life. This is who you are. You're that guy. And I go, but I'm not doing business with you guys. I go, I'm done.

I go, just because you suggested that to me, I'm out. But I wish you well. And I go, and if I see business With you guys I go I'm done I go Just because you suggested That to me I'm out But I wish you well And I go And if I see you I give you a big hug No hard feelings This is who you are

Yeah This is who you are This is who you are Like this decision Defines you It's just business It's just business Da da da da da da

Why'd you guys drop that bomb It's just business It's just business We had to do it It's just business Why did you guys decide To invade that country Listen

It's business I know It's just business I know And that's why It's like Citizens United man It's business. We had to do it. Why did you guys decide to invade that country? Listen, it's business. I know. It's just business. I know. And that's why it's like the citizens united, man. It's a frightening idea. It's a frightening idea of the corporation.

The diffusion of responsibility that comes when you start thinking of numbers instead of humans and morality. And also, yeah, like you're saying, no one's responsible. It's out in the ether. It's not my decision. I have this thing I have to take care of. Well, not only that, that's what gets them there in the first place. The reason they have a Ferrari and a house in the Hamptons and all this shit is because they've maintained this steadfast loyalty to the numbers. Right.

And that's why they're so successful. So they look at that as proof positive they're doing the right thing. Right. Look at these fucking losers. I love a $40 million house. Yeah. I'm driving my own jet. Yeah.

So they just feel like they got it right. When instead, what, you know, first of all, they all rot from the inside. Yeah. They all get cancer. It doesn't work out. It doesn't work out. All those guys die of cancer. You don't get to enjoy it.

Of the dick and asshole. I mean, it's, I mean. Well, this doesn't work out. It's true. Like, you don't ever get to enjoy it. Like, it doesn't... You fight so hard for it, you can't ever... Depression's too much.

Yeah. The negativity's too much. They're not happy. They've done a study recently. I forget where I read this. I read it yesterday, though, where they were talking about happy people. And they said that the happiest people surround themselves with friends and family, do something they love to do.

It seems all simple. Right. And forgive easily. Right. Are generous and forgive easily it's on you the onus is on you yeah generous and forgive easily those are fucking those two are huge that's huge surround yourself with family and friends surround yourself with loved ones it's huge it's like you're saying like you see the guy you're gonna give him a hug it's like yeah hey man yeah it's fine yeah it's who you are you know and like and i'm i wish he wasn't that guy and he's probably not that guy anymore It's like you're saying, like you see the guy, you're going to give him a hug. It's like, hey, man. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah. It's who you are. Yeah. You know, and like. And I wish he wasn't that guy.

And he's probably not that guy anymore. I'm sure he's learned from that. You know, he and I had a conversation on the plane and I said, I go, it's all right. I don't care. You know, it's no big deal, man. We had a great time together. You know, and he said, listen, this is what they were. That was they were forcing me to do that.

And I was supporting my colleague who was the colleague who was the agent of this kid. Right. So he's fucked himself, and I hope that he learned from that. But when you're working for somebody, man, that's a different ballgame. When you're working for the guy and the boss gets on the phone with you

and says, this is the game plan, okay, here we go. Like, ugh. Morally, it sounds awful, but you got a mortgage. know you got a fucking nice mercedes yeah it's not always easy you know it's fucking terrible yeah the diffusion of responsibility that comes from the corporation is that the corporation acts as uh an entity that's trying to protect profits and ensure more profits and you're just a part of that and you know well look uh you

know uh hate to say it but i'm in repossessions yeah you know oh and you're you're living for the weekend and you're living for your little hobby and yeah trying to fuck that huh yeah well but not everybody can be a writer lucky for us yeah i mean me and brian talk about that all the time not everybody can be uh doing a podcast nobody everybody be doing stand-up not everybody can i know there's not enough jobs like that out there yeah i know it's funny too that like that's a lot of that like self-help talk that's like it's like everyone can do it you're just gonna believe in yourself and you can make what job you want and you're like not everyone can be you know the guy from entourage you know what i mean like and be rolling in it you know

and i think a lot of you know there's a lot of people I know who think that that's going to happen, and that's their plan. Well, do you remember when The Secret came out where everybody was convinced they had the fucking new path? So my mom just, she's like, have you heard of this thing, The Secret? Oh, no, of course.

No, she won't, but it's a long story, but it was just hilarious that she's like 15 years behind the curve on that. Oh, she just heard about it? She's like, oh, it's so interesting. I saw this thing on Netflix. There's a friend of mine from the comedy store. Very nice person.

She was like one of the friends of the waitresses. And she would come by. She was like one of those people that would come by on a regular basis and love comedy. And I remember I had no heart to tell her any differently. She's always been real friendly. And we were in the back of the comedy store. She's friends with Kelly Kirsten, I think. Kelly Kirsten.

Kelly Kirsten. She's our friend. And this girl goes, I am happier than I've ever been. And I know that within one year, I'm going to be married. And a year after that, I'm going to have a child. And she starts saying all this. And I'm like, what's going on? What the fuck is going to have a child and she starts like saying all this and I'm like what's going on like what the fuck

is going on like what are you saying she's put it on her and then she just goes she goes well what happened is I discovered the secret and I've completely

changed my life and she was totally serious and so I tried to figure out because I you know was there a way to help the situation is there something you could say

that would help and not well I'm the worst for that shit because I'm like, that's fucking retarded, especially back then. You can't go hard. Yeah, yeah. You got to go gentle. Today, I would handle it much better than I did back then.

But even back then, I wouldn't handle it bad with her because she was a very nice person. Right. So I would go, oh, yeah. Instead of saying anything constructive that might steer her in the right direction. Right. The real problem with anything like The Secret is that you're only interviewing the winners. You're not interviewing the people that had this idea. I'm going to be a rocket scientist and I'm going to go to Mars.

Bitch, you ain't going to Mars. There's no one going to Mars. You can think you're going to Mars all day long. The technology doesn't exist. You can't say I'm going to start the first fucking stellar colony on Mars. You're not going to do it. It's not going to happen. It's like the shipwrecks.

They're like, yeah, prayer works because I prayed and I'm alive. Well, we didn't interview all the guys who prayed and died. Who got bitten by cannibals. Who didn't make it. Who got bitten by spiders in the night and fucking died horrible deaths.

There's a great book called Bright Sided by Barbara Ehrenreich, which is about the positive thinking movement in America because she had cancer. She had breast cancer. And she started doing those things and they're like, you're not happy enough. You're not thinking because she had cancer. She had breast cancer. And she started doing those things. And they're like, you know, you're not happy enough. You're not thinking positively about your cancer.

She's like, what the fuck? She's a great writer, by the way, Barbara Ehrenreich. And so she went into the history and stuff. And what's interesting is it comes, there is like a little tiny bit of medical stress. So in like the 9th, just just of the industrial revolution there was something called melancholia right where people were getting depressed mostly stay-at-home moms and older people because the world was moving so fast like with industry cars and whatever they felt like they didn't belong and they got really depressed and positive thinking worked for them like so

there is like this little germ of like a medical fact of that positive thinking worked for them. So there is like this little germ of like a medical fact of that positive thinking worked in this one instance. But then it's become this incredible thing where... Well, it's very hard to define whether or not someone's playing by the positive thinking rules. So if you say that positive thinking is not working, you say, well, what exactly have they done? We were just talking about it, right?

We were talking about with Randy could do it like you know and fighting like no there's when you're doing stuff that's when it's when it's making you active then it's can work but when yeah it's when you're just relying on that's the key right motion doing things yeah that's and that's what people don't like to do yeah well people don't like to do is a difficult thing so they like they say the definition of insanity right is like to doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results yeah yeah you know the year you do it all the time me too that's how i live my life that's how everybody does i think that's part of being a creative and impulsive person too you know impulsive people have like weird patterns

right fall into like me like i'll say like okay i gotta go to sleep it's fucking two o'clock in the morning i gotta stop clicking on links. I got to go to bed. And I walk by the pool table and I go, you know what? Let me just fucking run a couple of racks here. The next thing you know, it's 430 and the sun's coming up and I'm still playing pool. You know, it's interesting. I get, I just get a little something going on.

I go crazy. A little dry. I'm crazy. Yeah, I'm crazy. Yeah. I have to, I regulate things things Keep myself from doing certain things Right Like I can't

I don't allow myself to play in pool tournaments But like once every couple months I'll play in one Because I don't want to get obsessed And then start like thinking about Joining the pro tour Right And fucking

This is going to change Practicing eight hours a day Right Because I really will do that Right And then I don't know who I am And then I get crazy Right

No that's tough Yeah Identity and all that That's a tricky one Well it's obsession Yeah You know It's handling and managing that. That's a tricky one. Well, it's obsession. Yeah. It's handling and managing obsession. Right.

That's one of the most difficult things I think that people find. Mm-hmm. So everybody does that. Everybody fucking expects. Yeah. We're all crazy to a certain point. It's like trying to enjoy it

and manage it at the same time. That's like the big key. Trying to enjoy the whole process of life. Well, it you say like being quick to forgive you know yeah i find what i when i think about people people who handle bitterness in their lives well are the people that are happy you know it's like it's so easy to be bitter about you know when you're a kid or when you thought you were going to have everything or you thought you were going to be president or you thought this you deserve this and this and you don't always get what you thought you were going to have everything or you thought you were going to be president or you thought you deserve this and this and you don't always get what you think you deserve.

Right. And the people that can kind of move on are the happy people that I know. And there's people that haven't moved on from what they thought they deserved at 25 or 30. Well, there's people that get crushed by a breakup in a relationship and they never recover. Yeah.

They just, everybody sucks. Women are cunts. You know, you ever met that guy? And he'd say, all women are cunts. They're all lesbians. They're all cunts. They all They just, everybody sucks. Women are cunts. You know, you ever met that guy? And he'd say, all women are cunts. They're all lesbians. They're all cunts. They all just want to use you.

And then he was like, no, dude, they just, they're not into you. Yeah. You had a hard time. It's a goddamn person.

No one deserves that people like them. Right. Okay. Yeah. You have to work at it. It's not easy. There's a reason

why people develop fun personalities. Yeah. It's because they like people to like them. I hate that movie that the writer's like the nerd, right? So he writes like the really hot girl falls for the nerd because she sees him for who he really is.

Like that's such, like nobody loves you for who you really are. Like it's, you have to, you have to try to be a good person. You know, you have to create a good person and then be it. And then people will like you. You know what I mean? Remember that stupid movie, As Good As It Gets with Jack Nicholsonolson yeah he's a racist and he's an asshole he's crazy he's like a ocd or whatever she's a single mom and he's just doing and you know that movie drove me fucking crazy yeah it made me angry because first of all it was like a real stupid way of dealing

with it they gave him a pill you know and the pill it's all working out and i go what how's a pill gonna fucking cure racism like that's one of the dumbest things yeah yeah it's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard in my life there is a pill that cures racism really what is it it's an ecstasy my friend we're all doing it you know that they're worrying they're working on um proposing uh legality of mdma in uh vancouver Apparently MDMA, first of all, Vancouver is, it is a wonderful place. It is the shit.

It's a city for adults is what it is. The bathrooms are clean. Like it's a nice city, man. I was talking to Mrs. Rogan. I said, if we ever left the country,

if we ever have to free, yeah, flee, that's where we would go. Go to Vancouver. Every time we go there, I'm like, we should maybe look at North Vancouver,

like in the aisle and decide to find something. Fucking incredible. Cause you're in the deep woods. Yeah. And then awesome downtown. Yeah. Five, 10 minutes away're in the deep woods. Yeah. And then awesome downtown. Yeah. It's five, ten minutes away. And people are nice.

Yeah. You know, it's like the number one city in the world. Like three or four times, it's one. Right. And you're right. It's because it's... At least once. Because of the...

I mean, half of that's because of the setting. Yeah. The setting is spectacular. It makes everyone feel good. It does. That's so important. That's one of the reasons why wintertime in Boston is so goddamn depressing.

It's fucking gray skies every day. The coat is like this thick. Packing fucking food into their fat face just to try to stay warm. You got to do it. It's horrible. Well, people do develop a layer of fat. It's hard finding skinny checks in the winter in Boston. Oh, yeah.

They put on those winter pounds. I went to college in Boston. It's terrible. Yeah, you did. You went to Cambridge. Yeah. Harvard. Yeah this winter pounds. I went to college in Boston. It's terrible. Yeah, you did. You went to Cambridge. Yeah. Harvard. Yeah.

Winter pounds. Riding the T and then going to Lansdowne looking for a cute girl in Boston. Good luck. And the few you find are off their rocker. Off their rocker. Because they're the ones. Because they're worth so much. Yeah.

They get away with it. One of the best things that ever happened to me was one of my first girlfriends in high school was a total slut. She was just. That is good. Completely broken. Well, it was good because it lowered my expectations about girls not cheating. Oh, wow.

Right. This girl was so crazy. She cheated on me with one of my friends in front of my fucking house. Right. Just because she's awful. She was fucking off her tits. Catholic school, the whole deal. Right.

Just completely off her tits. Daddy attention issue. Oh, my God. And hot as fuck. Sure. Like an aberration. Catholic school, the whole deal. Just completely off her tits. Daddy attention issues. Oh, my God. And hot as fuck. Like an aberration. Her sister, not that attractive. Her older sister, not that attractive. Her, off the charts.

So she was just completely crazy. She had the Willy Wonka golden ticket. Yeah, exactly. People don't believe what I tell them. It's hard finding a pretty girl in Boston. It's tough action. It is. Oh, my God.

My New York friends would cry themselves to sleep every night New York's filled with pretty women yeah yeah it's weird yeah New York's filled with pretty models pretty regular girls yeah and they got you know even if they're not that pretty they got something going on they're intelligent yeah they got a little fashion flavor yeah a little would you live there in New York yeah absolutely would you take your family there yeah yeah yeah I mean you know, I'm from the country. I'm not like comfortable in the city. Right.

And I don't... I have a three-year-old son now, almost four, and I don't love the idea of him growing up and being like a New Yorker or particularly an Angelina. An LAer. Yeah. The minute he looks, he's like, no, dad, I'm going to be a skateboarder. You know? That's going to happen. Work work out for tony hawk yeah right yeah i'm sure he's from the midwest or something is i don't know where's he from who knows you have to be from another he's got a great work ethic yes you do

really i mean how many angelinos you know have a great work ethic i know like two maybe eddie bravo believe it or not yeah no i believe it yeah he's an angelina he gets a lot done yeah so there you go there's people you can add everywhere you could develop work no i know and that's i think you're talking about raising kids i think that's the only thing you can do for a kid yeah is give them a work ethic because if they like to work give them more if they're smart or not he's gonna be fine he likes to work here's my little dumb ditch digger look at him he likes to work look at the holes he's gonna be fine yeah Look at him. He likes to work. He loves work and he's going to be fine. Yeah, no, but I mean that's all you can really do. Yeah, I guess in a way that's one of the few things you can do.

I mean you treat them to be nice to people. Treat them to – teach them and explain to them how your philosophy on life. And it's not easy. It ain't easy to raise human beings. You got girls, man. To raise them – yeah. And in this environment, in this environment in this world You know this world is ever-changing

We were just talking about this the other day that like how many people in LA roofie people is it like one out of ten There's one out of ten dudes out there trying to roofie chicks. Are you serious? There's so many stories of girls getting roofied so many stories. It's friends of friends. It's one of the See I think it's more just drunk girls that Dude girls are getting roofied girls getting roofied for sure. It's happening on a regular See, that doesn't make any sense to me. See, I think it's more just drunk girls that can't handle the alcohol. No, no, no. Dude, girls are getting roofied. Girls are getting roofied, for sure. It's happening on a regular basis. That's just fun to mystify because what's hot about that?

You want to bang the sleeping girl. There's nothing hot about it. It's rape. Yeah, it's gross. Here's what happens to some dudes. It's horrible. It's disgusting. It's absolutely gross.

But what happens to some dudes is that they uh get rejected by girls all their life and so they're stupid and they're self-centered so they associate this girl with making them feel bad right like i could get back at her yeah i could get back at her yeah that girl the way she looks at you this fucking bitch won't even look at me she won't even talk to me fucking bitch and then you drop something in her drink and all of a sudden you're sticking your dick inside of her yeah bitch bet you didn't even know this, and all of a sudden, you're sticking your dick inside of her. Yeah, bitch. Bitch, you didn't even know this was coming. This sounds a little too detailed, Joe.

She throws up. Joe, wait, wait. I'm trying to be creative. Sounds like you've been down that road. Fucking judge me, man. I mean, I think there's just a lot of idiots out there, and first of all, it's a terrible position to be in, because attractive women have an undeniable quality about them. There's an undeniable magnetism. It's really frightening.

That's like you have daughters, right? If your daughters grow up to be really beautiful, that's not an easy thing. It's not easy. It's tough. Nobody's ever going to take you serious. Well, it's not easy for them, but it's easy to find men that want to fuck you. That's for sure. Oh, you're never gonna go hungry yeah but it's also easy to find people that want that are angry at you because when you're

when you're like a guy that has no chance you're an ugly dude or you're you know whatever the fuck is wrong with you right you have no chance at getting a beautiful girl like that beautiful girl becomes like some sort of an unattainable kind of a crazy narnia yeah like a human narnia yeah it's like what serial killers do, right? You objectify and it becomes this thing. Well, it's like, you know, the reason why people snap and they go crazy

because they've been bullied their whole life is because they associate bullies with this horrible negative feeling. You know, a pretty woman is not bullying you by not fucking you, but it's still

a negative constant reinforcement. It can be a reminder, right. Yeah, particularly if you've got other issues, you know. Yeah. Chemical imbalance. Hence, roofies. Roofies you've got other issues. Yeah. Chemical imbalance. Hence, roofies.

Roofies, let's do it. It's fucking terrible. How bad can it be? We have to figure out a way to really join people together with some sense of community, even though there's just a giant number of us. Even though there's 300 million of us, or 7 billion if you count the whole planet. We have to figure out a way to somehow or another not have progress based on other people getting fucked over yeah i don't

know how the hell that's no i know there's just like it's like the us and them and it's like no there's just us yeah that's all they like yeah and it's such a prevalent style of thinking and it's it's very uh it's responsible for a lot of progress though yeah because it's responsible for a lot of progress, though, because it's responsible for the drive to push forward is a lot of it's based on competitive instincts. This is this great book. You know who E.O. Wilson is? He's a he's a famous, I mean, sort of famous professor of bugs like entomologist or whatever. And he wrote he writes also about human evolution. He wrote a book called The Social Conquest of Earth is his new book.

about human evolution he wrote a book called the social conquest of earth is his new book and it's all about the social side you know like that that um groups competing right so there's you know we're all they used to they used to think there was uh an altruism gene like part of your genetic makeup made you want to help other people even if it hurt you and what they think now is that's not the case it's more it's kind of like a subtle distinction, but it's kind of more just that groups, there's natural selection pressure on a group as well as on the individual. So like, you know, for you, by yourself in a group,

like the more selfish you are, the better you're going to do. But if our whole group is made up of selfish dudes, that group that's not is going to kick our ass and wipe us out. So there's this competition of these two genetic. It's interesting, and he's a super ant guy. Well, you have to have a place of prosperity and surplus before you start feeling generous. That's the problem with a lot of people. But even some people are never happy.

Like the Hamptons dudes, it's like my house is worth 40, but the guy down the street, 89 million. Yeah, can you believe it can you believe it 20 acres this son of a bird he's not enough yeah and you you can you know the know that you get in that habit and it's that's why they can't enjoy it you know like they it's not it's they're not satisfied yeah never you never have enough you never yeah I'm satisfied there's businessmen that I can think of and that you can think of that like's not enough. They got six Ferraris and they got everything they wanted and it's not enough.

Well, it's part of the game for them is acquiring numbers. That's what's fun. They love being a winner. And they still don't feel in their heart that they're a winner. That's the... Well, they probably... Or they do. They're lacking some really intense experiences, whether it's intense emotional experiences,

psychedelic experiences. Yeah, I'm telling you, man. You know what? Talking about psychedelic experiences, my wife has been really into this because her grandparents are dying. They're in their 90s. And apparently, mushrooms for elderly people,

one trip increases their standard of living for a whole year because it just frees them up a little bit from like the bind of their own body or whatever reason well the the idea is that it calms them and they don't worry about dying anymore yeah it has like a huge uh effect on their on yeah positive effect on on on their their mindset which i love the idea of that yeah well i think it it brings you to some sort of a divine state of mind that may or may not be real it might just be euphoria i mean there's so many unanswered questions what does that matter it doesn't

matter no it doesn't matter i mean but but it might be real as well yeah you don't know what the fuck life is and you know your perspective and your i mean psychedelics i haven't done a lot of it i've done it you know a dozen times or whatever but hugely important in terms of my understanding of the world yeah you know and i think you know you need to it's funny i always think about i do it with my hand because like you meet i would meet these germans in europe and they play chess and they're like they're germans right so it's like this right everything's like this i'm like no you gotta you gotta be like this you got to be like this.

You want to be a little bit, just look at a little more. Yeah. And then if you do too much acid or whatever, you start to get a little, you can't quite keep it in at all. You know what I mean? It's a little too frazzled. What do you mean? Because folks at home that are listening to this alone, you're doing like, you have blinders on when you're talking about your Germans. Then you spread your hands up when you're talking about looking at

chess creatively and then yeah just casting your net really wide and i think you know being this book journal error just wrote called imagine which is all about imagination it's like things that help you focus like chemicals like ritalin and stuff actually hamper your creativity because you need to be accessing distant deep parts of your brain. So like Adderall would hamper your creativity? Yeah, anything like that. Coffee hampers your creativity. It helps you concentrate. It helps you work.

It helps you focus. But just in terms of like being innovative, that's why when you're falling asleep or taking a shower or relaxing or driving where you're kind of half distracting your focus mind is when you're, you're, the system is still running and it's picking out these very strange, Oh,

I should use fishing line for that problem. You know what I mean? It's like they, they, and travel like they find like immigrants hold a lot more patents per capita or whatever it is, you know, because they,

they, when you're in a new place, you're forced to think differently. Huh? And there's a website called, you know, anyway, it's, it's a cool book. It's, it is, you know, because when you're in a new place, you're forced to think differently. And there's a website called, you know, anyway, it's a cool book, but it's about this kind of crowdsourcing and that your imagination really comes from broad thinking, not narrow thinking. Well, I know the writers on news radio,

one of the things they used to do to inspire themselves is stay up all night, and then they wouldn't start writing until like 4 o'clock in the morning when they're all half awake. Mm-hmm. And they would write the most silly and funny shit that way. Right, right. You know? And that's, you know.

That's really interesting. Yeah. A lot of people do that. They write when they're sleep deprived. Right. I thought it was like that. Yeah. And they think that, well, I think it's comedy writing.

Yeah. Because comedy is like a silly thing. Yeah. And kind of like you're casting for funny funny funny links like yeah and this or this and this is funny well you know sometimes when you're doing something and like especially when you're traveling and you were the friend and you're both exhausted and you just start being completely retarded and that's one of the best things about comedians right it's like we'll be up the front flight at like six o'clock in the morning it'd be like like, shut up, bitch. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah. We'll come up with stupid shit to say to each other. I mean, that's half the fun of traveling. Yeah. You know? No, I know. I miss it. Yeah.

Being exhausted for whatever reason, it just deactivates certain areas of the mind and activates others. The unconscious, the ability to just let thoughts come instead of like. Yeah. Direct daydreaming. Direct. If you can kind of control your daydreaming, not like just out but that was another thing he talks about it's a cool book but it's it's uh yeah there's so does it have like um methodologies some and it has like big

picture stuff like pixar studies and these companies that like they couldn't solve these engineering problems so they put them on the on the, on this site called Innocentive, and they have cash prizes. And they're solved, like, within weeks. Of course, yeah. Because it's, like, solved by, like, you know, a botanist from Sweden who you would never hire, you would never consult, but he's got an easy way to do it with, like, seeds that pull carbon from,

you know what I mean? It's like just that crowdsourcing mind and stuff.'s kind of cool well I love doing that and I do that all the time and I did that recently on my message board I have a powerful tool my message board is filled with some fucking brilliant mother fingers the internet and memes and comedy like can someone write like something I mean I think it's so funny I find memes to be genius yeah you know there's some oh yeah I love the love the cat things. I love the Georgia, by the way, Georgia, Osuglos next Tuesday. It's coming on next Tuesday. Another noon one, Brian, you're going to be okay.

Don't go crazy on Monday night and stay up till seven o'clock in the morning. You can do it. Cause you've got to be here at noon next Tuesday. Um, but Giorgio is the guy from, uh, ancient aliens with the crazy hair. I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens. It's so funny. You've seen them. Those are awesome. UG is a source for my humor. I mean, it really is.

I get a lot of my personal humor that I can't ever use. Yeah. Oh, me too. My wife showed me one. My wife, she finds them on the internet and then saves them for me. But one of them says, beware of the dog. Also, that cat is shady as fuck. That just makes me laugh.

Also, that cat is shady as fuck. I want one of that in my house. I mean, I loved them all, man. I mean, obviously not a lot of them are funny, but there's just some diamonds out there. Well, it's sort of a new style of humor. One of the ways i met brian i mean brian is i mean he doesn't do it enough but he's a he's brilliant at editing videos making like really funny silly videos and putting them on the internet and if you stop to think about it before the internet that doesn't that didn't exist there's no like individual funny videos that were five minutes

long that people would make on something that just happened yesterday. That is a really unique humor tool for the internet. Those photos, memes, little videos, things along those lines,

they didn't exist. Fucking podcasts didn't exist. This show, as weird as it is, would have never existed. Yeah, a radio show like this. When are you going to do ads? Who's going to advertise? Nobody. Mushroom Fleshlight.

Yeah. Mushroom Fleshlight from China. So are you allowed to talk about your new book at all? I'll just say it's coming out in january uh so i'll hopefully be back to do a real press tour with you and oh 100 yeah we'll do a big without a doubt i'm gonna get joe to blurb it if he likes it if he doesn't like it that's fine son you know i'm gonna like it it's fine that's fine joe whatever yeah i want to talk to you about what you did though you can't talk about what you can't let's just you know what kind of a secrecy is this sam

sheridan this is craziness well i don't yeah i can talk about what i did so i can't. Let's just, you know. What kind of a secrecy is this, Sam Sheridan? This is craziness. Well, I don't, yeah, I can talk about what I did. So it's the story, it's the books about Surviving the End of the World. Uh-huh.

And. What is it, the working title is called? It's, that's the real title. It's the Disaster Diaries. And. Yeah, why is this a secret? It's not really a secret,

but it's like they don't, you know, they just, this, I'm just, I'm an idiot. And basically, like, I do what they tell me. But here's the weird thing about owning, being a writer, you know, you don't you know they just this i'm just i'm an idiot and basically like i do what they tell me but here's the weird thing about owning being a writer you know you don't really own they buy it from you and you kind of facilitate that you know right right so it's like i'm consult

on the cover for instance like i don't if i hate the cover like tough shit well they're not going to make me go with the cover that makes me cry every time i see it but you know we had a little battle i mean i like this cover now. I gave back my money. I had a book deal. I gave back the money because I didn't want to have that conversation. I would send them in stuff and they'd be like, this is too weird.

This is too this. We can't have this conversation. You guys don't understand my fans. When I'm writing about my own personal philosophy and how I handle the world, like you can't tell me that's weird, you know? Or also,

yeah. I mean, you're, you don't, that's the thing. Like nobody understands your fan base like you do. And I have the same issue. Like when I was writing these MMA stuff,

they're like, Oh, those guys don't buy books. You're like, they're like, these guys are dying for a serious conversation about fighting and what it means. And folks listening to this, Sam has two of the best books ever written on MMA and in fighting and combat sports, period. One of them is the first one he wrote called A Fighter's Heart, and the new one is called the fighter's mind both of them are outstanding and both of them are so detailed

and documented and you know and so honest about your approach and you know i watched the documentary that you did where you you spent some real time in a muay thai training camp and you know and you you had that fight which was a fucking crazy fight with that japanese dude who's the guy missing a finger right full body tats and the whole the guy The guy is full. Not only that, Sam, you'd been training for how long? Like, I don't know, four months. Four months. This guy was a bad motherfucker. This guy was, he was a total sandbagger.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. He was a Western Osaka heavyweight karate champ. Yeah. Which he told me like two days before the fight. But he never fought Muay Thai. But he was at Western Osaka heavyweight karate.

It was so ridiculous. But you kicked his ass. Yeah, he wasn't ready. You know, he wasn't in shape. He wasn't in shape. One time in, it's so conditioning. Yeah. If you're not in shape, don't do it.

But you took a heavy fucking right hand. Yeah, I ate some shit on that one. I went stiff in the air and the whole thing. But you got up. Well, I was in amazing shape. I mean, I was training twice a day and doing the eight-mile run in the morning with the top Lumpini guys. Your conditioning gets – it's the kind of thing where it's so advanced that I went into town and I had a beer, one beer, and it set me back three weeks in my conditioning. Really?

Because you can measure how many pad rounds you can get through. Like, oh, I'm getting through six hard pad rounds. You know what I mean? Or I'm getting through eight and I'm feeling pretty good. And I actually, it was like, you know, you become so fine-tuned. That's amazing. Yeah, it's weird. I mean, I was a little old, too.

I was like 26 at the time. What made you decide to do that? What was that about? I mean, you know, everybody has this. We all watch Bruce Lee and we all, you know what I mean? Didn't we all? I mean, who didn't want to be a ninja? And I was sailing around the world and working in Australia and I had boxed a little in college

um you know when I was like smoking and drinking and you know I was a terrible boxer but uh I wanted to you know try I wanted to get away from the partying that I was doing because sailing's a pretty hard drinking sport and um you know it seemed like a good idea at the time you know it's funny I did the daily show and it was I'd never done any press before ever that was my first press and no one had told me how to do press which is like you got to stay on message right like don't worry about what they ask you you're gonna say two things you know what I mean I didn't know that they tell you to do that yeah well if you have a message try to get it out you know what I mean that's like you have

because you only have a minute right? That's why those things suck. That's why you should only do podcasts. Yeah, I know. Well, you have to have the time. You have to have the time. But Jon Stewart goes, so why did you do it? And I was like, it seems like a good idea to talk. Not the smoothest.

But that's the most honest. I mean, any impulsive, crazy thought that I've ever done, it's like, you know, it's like, well, let's fucking, yeah, see what this is all going to be like getting tattoos. Yeah, exactly. Moving to Colorado, fucking whatever, going hunting in Alaska, anything where it's like, fuck it. Right.

Yeah. Life has to be a series of those fucking things. You never learn anything. Yeah, you do. You got to do it. I have a whole thing. I have a whole bit on like nihilism and fuck it and what where that comes from and and uh and uh you know i think there's a guy you know i make it sound classy because i throw in some kafka quotes and stuff like that but there definitely is like this like this plunge

towards like self-destruction where you're like fuck it i don't care what happens and not many women will get on that train yeah what's gonna happen when the apocalypse comes are women gonna fucking toughen up and then oh yeah baking bread yeah yeah killing animals my wife's like the first thing i'm doing is shaving my head whoa i'm like yeah yeah that's right that's when the apocalypse comes the first thing she's gonna do is shave her head i'm going to your house dude i'm gonna live right after you get after it i'm high you're in, dude. I'm going to live right behind you. Get after it. You're in a great spot, dude. You're in a good spot. You're defensible up there.

You got water? Yeah, yeah. But I want to be even further away. I mean, I lived in the woods for a while, and I really liked it. I lived in Colorado for like four months. But I really liked the idea that if the shit went down, first of all, I have a well. Two, there's deer everywhere. I like that.

I've been watching the show Mountain Man. You ever watch new show history channel good fucking show and it's all about these dudes that are living in like one guy's living in alaska he has to fly in with a with a plane to flies everywhere like to his trapping cabin 40 below outside yeah yeah and so he lives there for several months in the winter and then he flies back to his family that's how he makes his living he fucking has to collect furs and shit and then another dude is living in montana they got another dude in north carolina and they follow these guys as they're trying to like prepare for winter and yeah they're self-set up and they're all completely self-sufficient right and it's sort of but yeah fairly they have guns i mean you know obviously no no you have your own supplies and have guns. I mean, you know, obviously they're not creating their own guns. No, no, no. You have your resupplies and stuff. Yeah.

They get supplies, but, you know, they're essentially living. They're hoofing it out there with no grocery stores. Yeah. No, and they got the skills and they got the know-how. And that's what's the fun of, like, all that. You know. Yeah, I love. I mean, I would.

If I had my choice, I would live somewhere in British Columbia that's accessible by boat. You know. That's where I would like to live. You know. Along that coast somewhere up there. But the problem is you're living with some fucking crazy survivor type people yeah but they're like a thousand miles away you know what i mean so you just want to live in an area that's like rural but has access to us well you know unfortunately my wife and you know she needs to be around the city

a little bit and and uh you know i it's i like to be around people. I like to do both. But, you know, I miss the deep, deep woods. Well, there's peace out there that we don't realize how many signals are in the air, whether it's fucking radio signals or cell phone signals or the harm of the city. I mean, people can say all day that that doesn't affect you. But there's a weird feeling that you get when you're at the top of a mountain and you're standing out there and you hear nothing and you see a bird fly by and you hear nothing it's like whoa i feel like i feel light i feel like there's a weight lifted off of me and i think part of that is the hum of the fucking city the massive millions and millions

of conscious minds that are all operating in this one area we even if it's just the numbers of people on the highway the cars rolling the the exhaust fumes away from all that i feel like that's a rare thing you don't you don't get that very often and when you do get it you really sort of as especially as i get older i appreciate it more and more it's incredibly healthy i think you know it is again going back to you know being in your natural state i mean i'm not i don't you know i don't want to i wouldn't want to do it forever right i like you know i love new york i love going to new york yeah you know it's i love a restaurant oh my god i love being able to get a hot shower i'll kill you for a hot shower you

know i'll kill a man for a hot shower but uh you know it's it is so good for you yeah to be and that's one thing. I lived on sailboats for like three or four years, and it was amazing because you really do become isolated because it's three-quarters of the Earth's surface and not a lot is going on out there. And you really get away on a sailboat, even going on a really well-known route. You'll see boats for the first couple hours, and then you won't see anybody for 15 days until you're coming in the last 100 miles dude you've lived a fucking crazy life man you went open ocean sailboating for years yeah well i worked on boats i was a you know first mate type and uh i did some charter work in the caribbean and then we took this boat around to um through the canal across the pacific to sailboats are work too right yeah I mean you know

yeah yeah I was getting paid it was work no but I mean like it's difficult to operate

the sails I'd rather be doing that also cause you know it's you know shit can break dude and like I can look at an engine

like oh no but I like some sails you're like oh yeah we can sew that shit up or put a rope here and make something work and I guess that's a way

to look at it you know and like I would like for the end of the world much rather be in a sailboat than a motorboat cause you run out of gas right fucking rowing that thing that's a way to look at it like i would like for the end of the world much rather being a sailboat than a motorboat because you run out of gas right fucking rowing that thing that's true well it's the ultimate old school way to travel and you think like a manual transmission

is old school right yeah the joke is it's the slowest uh most expensive and least comfortable way to travel yeah my parents lived in a sailboat for a while yeah they just decided to take uh they took about almost two years off of life. Yeah, lived down in the Bahamas. Sure. Lived in the Keys. Just bought a sailboat. Did you go visit?

Traveled around. They actually came up here. You never went down on the boat? You never got on the boat? Yeah, I did. I did a little of that, too. It was weird. It was strange.

Yeah, you get used to it. It's also with your parents, maybe, but it's... Well, I was just like, they, these are – they're crazy characters. Yeah. You guys are living on this little tiny boat. My mom was like totally not digging it after a while. Oh, really? She was into it at first, but after a while.

Yeah. It's a very small space to have all your stuff. It's – you don't get away from people. I crossed the Indian Ocean with my buddy and his girlfriend, and they were like – he was British and she was French, and they were fighting. That's like six months of – They were fighting in the boat?

Yeah We didn't see each other much Because you're sleeping in shifts You actually don't deal with anybody that much But yeah It was a 38 foot The one's French and the one's English They were fighting about everything

Their whole outlook on life is completely different Wow You did that for three years? Yeah, off and on. And was this another thing where you said, well, I'm just going to go looking for adventure? No, this was one of those things where I got offered the job, and I was like, I can't turn this down. I was actually going to do the military. And somebody, I threw a connection of, this guy offered me a job fixing his boat up, and he's like, I want to sail around the world.

I want to pay you. I was like, I got to do that. If I said i said no to this it's never gonna happen again you know in this way you didn't have to do it anywhere were you worried about pirates yeah no not really i mean there there is piracy and it's actually gotten worse but you go around it like you can if you go through the gulf um you know by small yeah that's where it's really bad and then indonesia there's some and in brazil there's some And in Brazil there's some But You know

Yeah I don't worry about You know you don't worry about that shit It's like being in Brazil Like people get In Rio yeah I mean A lot of people get ripped off

But it's You gotta know where to go And it's Bad luck You know bad luck can happen to you You can meet at a soccer stadium And eat it you know And it's just a little more

Meteor can fall on your fucking head Yeah Right here Get hit by a bus Right here Right now Could go right through that guy. Some crazy messed up bus driver.

That's what happened. Some fucking dude on bath salts. Sam Joe and Brian sitting in heaven like, damn it, dude. Damn. Damn. Motherfucker. It wasn't what I was expecting at all. I thought we were just going to finish this podcast up.

Promote a couple of books. That's not how I thought it was going to go. So when you write a book like this, Disaster Diaries, how much time do you spend doing research and preparing for it? And what's the process? Yeah, I do a lot of research. I read a ton. And then you have to go do stuff partly just to give the book some action. If it was just research, it's boring.

Right. And then partly because, I mean, really, this is all just an excuse for me to do fun shit. It's not really about the book. Well, it's it's boring right and then partly because i mean really this is all just an excuse for me to do fun shit like this it's not really about the book so it's it's well it's both it's a passion as well right yeah it's just i love learning and there's like you know lists of things that i want to do and this you know was a way for me to check off a bunch of them and uh yeah i spent you know probably about three years total. Wow. And some take longer, some are shorter. The Fighter's Mind was more of a pure sports book, so that was more like interviews and essays and research.

So that I did in about a year. That I turned right around, The Fighter's Mind, the second book. Well, the other books were longer. Has this idea of writing a survivalist book, has this made you think about your preparation for like, have you thought about getting a for like like if you uh you thought about like getting a place out in the middle of the mountains or something like that sure yeah no the kind of bottom line i went with was like there's so many ways it could happen um and you ever read the black swan or did brian ever tell you about it yeah brian told me about

it i haven't read it yet it's cool but it's like the idea is like you just don't know what's going to happen right like what if it's fucking aliens you know right what if it's if it's skynet you know you're in montana most of the minute men sites are in montana you know there are a lot of them so like they're skynet's gonna hit montana first right what if you're on tour on vacation you know right so the the idea was like it's all about skills it's all about what you carry with you it's not about where you are because i'm not about having stuff or how big to make my fallout shelter you know that's not me it's not my book you know like that's not there's other guys doing that that are way better at it so i'm just doing this about learning skills and kind of like the truth and what those skills mean and you

know all that stuff there's um a study that uh has uh come out really recently where they've been working on this for a while, where they've deduced that Earth was hit by massive meteor showers about 12,900 years ago. And this is something that they've discovered evidence for it in many different cultures, many different countries. many different countries. And it's the type of like, it's like the ground is actually turned into glass, like a type of glass from the impact and the heat. Oh, my God.

And this glass has been observed at nuclear test sites. Right. Also, all over the planet in places where they believe it all dates to 12,900 years. Just seared the whole planet. Just fucked. Just flash fried it. Fucked the whole planet sideways in a bunch of different spots all over the place. It's something called melt glass.

It forms at 1,700 degrees equal to an atomic bomb, and it's all over the place. Right. It's all over the place in the world at 12,900 years ago. Right. Wow. Yeah. And this is when the woolly mammoths died's all over the place in the world at 12,900 years ago. Right. Wow. Yeah. And this is when the woolly mammoths died. This is the end of the Pleistocene.

This is when the saber-toothed tigers were killed off. And this is also, they believe, what killed off a bunch of different civilizations. I think that, you know, like fucking 80% of the people were dead because of this shit. Just fire from the sky. Well, they talk about those like, you know, evolutionary bottlenecks. You know, like everything gets killed and then the one ape that's a little bit smarter gets the gets to fill out that whole niche yeah this is also uh all over syria mesopotamia where you know at that point in time 6 000 years ago not 12 900 but 6 000 years ago that's the cradle of civilization that's the what we know is the earliest known civilizations are

all in this area so it kind of makes sense that it's like the survivors of this right terrible thing how to sort of rebuild it also makes sense why every single ancient culture whether it's uh their stories like the epic of gilgamesh they deal with an a previous more advanced culture that was fucked up by cataclysmic disasters so this is probably like shit that was like passed down yeah you know from generation to generation of people who who survived but they found villages that they believe were wiped people who who survived so they found villages that they believe were wiped out by this particular thing they found it in pennsylvania they found it in south carolina they found the shit all over the place and it all dates the same period 12,000 years it's cool no definitely ubiquitous myth like we all have every culture has the end of

the world myth you know like And that shit can happen. I mean, we look at the moon. All you do is look at the moon with a goddamn telescope. What's all those round circles? That motherfucker got hit by giant rocks flying through space. And one day we're probably going to see that, which would be a trip and a half. Could you imagine if you were looking up at the moon and you'd watch an asteroid hit the fucking moon? And you're like, are we fucked?

Is that the last two? Woo! That would be scary. It's like slow and it's kind of grunt. Yeah. Well, did you see, though, there's been a bunch of them that they've observed. One of them fairly recently, an amateur astronomer observed something hitting, I believe it was Jupiter.

No. Yeah, there was one that hit Jupiter that they monitored, and it sort of changed the idea. They knew it was going to hit Jupiter. It was like 94, I forget the name of the comet, but when they saw the amount of impact, they were like, well, that's a lot more than we thought it was going to do. That's a lot bigger than we thought it was.

Yeah, I mean, it made an Earth-size hole in Jupiter. I know, like the scale, right? You have no idea. But then the question comes like... Can you get your head around the scale? If that does happen, if everybody but 20% of the people are wiped out, do you want to be one of the guys alive trying to eat corpses? I mean, that's a tough one.

Do you make beef jerky people? Sure. You don't start off eating. You fuck them first. It ain't rape if they're dead. That is true. But I can't trust you. If you go around fucking dead bodies.

Yeah, why not? Dude, you fuck my dead mom the first day it's a free-for-all is it yeah what if you get like a horrible infection on your dick and you are the new aids you know what if the new aids comes from that remember when the whole the rumor of aids was some dudes fucked a monkey you know it was like i know that was the original rumor of how hiv was a that's you buddy you ever. Did you ever hear the... If I get to rename it, I wouldn't have a problem with it. That'd be kind of cool to create. If you got to name a new disease?

That would be it? Just naming it? That's all he wants. Come on, dude. He doesn't have a lot of expectations. There's not much going on. There's a lot of hope. There's a lot of hope there.

He just wants to be the new age. Let me name one terminal disease. That's all I aim for. That's all I want. Mom's going to be proud of me. You got a Riegel infection in your dick. Did you fuck some dead lady? Well, it makes sense that nature would eventually punish you for that.

I mean, the reason why people get Jacob's-Kurtzfeld, which is mad cow disease, same thing. It comes from, in New Guinea, it comes from cannibalism. Eating human brain tissue. Oh, yeah. Causes you to have a neurological disorder. It's because nature's like, listen, you fuckhead. Don't do that. Too much brains.

Don't do that. You're hacking it. Yeah, you can't eat brains. Don't eat your own species. Especially brains. It's like putting OSX on a PC. It's not supposed to work. There it is.

It's a hackintosh. Did you ever hear that thing about, this goes to crazy theory, but what really caused AIDS was over- inoculations. I've never heard that. You've never heard this? No. So there's a book called There Is No You Without Me about a woman in Ethiopia who starts raising AIDS orphans.

But the first 50 pages are amazing because it's about the latest theories on the AIDS virus. Basically, you know, NGOs were coming to Africa for 100 100 100 years you know you know help you know unicef whatever and they're giving people inoculations and they would bring like five needles and do the whole goddamn village oh god you know and they're throwing them in alcohol but that doesn't really do it and that's how you get shit to mutate so they find like oh there's a i think it's called like a pasteurization process you can get if you move something from a bunch of petri dishes with the same needle, it'll mutate each time. That makes sense.

When you were saying inoculations, I was like, oh, I don't know where you're going with this. Yeah, but so anyway. That's a crazy conspiracy theory. No, no, no, because there's a non-lethal form in some parts of Africa of an AIDS virus that's in people from eating the monkey, but it doesn't kill them. I think Dom might be here. Is that Dom Irera? Who is it?

I just saw the shadow walk around. Is it Dom? Okay, hold on one second. I'll bring him in. Anyway, yeah. I mean, it's like... So anyway, the more inoculations... And in Africa, the witch doctors do inoculations now. Like, it's like you haven't gotten medicine unless you've been inoculated.

So these witch doctors all have needles. Wow. And they're passing, so there's like, because, you know, there's like a morality kind of to AIDS where, like, people think, think, oh, the Africans just can't control themselves. They're doing too much fucking, so they're all getting AIDS. But really, there's people that are virgins that are getting it pre-sexual contact. And that's the whole deal. Anyway, yeah. Dom Herrera, Sam Sheridan.

Sam Sheridan, the very talented Dom Herrera. Hello, Don. Nice to see you. What's up, Don? How you doing? An inabrupt end to this podcast. So, Sam, you've got to get out of here too, right? It's 2 o'clock already.

Oh, yep. I've got to move. So, Sam Sheridan, you can follow him on Twitter, although he never fucking uses it at all. I will start for you. You will? That's what he said last time. For real? He's never been here before.

I don't have anything to tweet. What do you mean he said last time? For real? He's never been here before. I don't have anything to tweet. What do you mean he said last time? He was never here. I did Brian's podcast. Oh, you did Brian's podcast. And you said you were going to use the Twitter and you didn't? How dare you? I'm sorry.

I apologize. Well, you promised you would use it? No, I won't. I won't do that. No, you won't promise. I don't have anything to say. Okay. Well, if you have something to say, every now and then it might pop up on Fighter's Mind.

So just one word fighter's mind on twitter that is sam sheridan his books that you can buy right now are a fighter's mind and a fighter's heart they're both fucking fantastic they're the premier books on mixed martial arts and uh when your next one comes out the disaster diaries come back in i'm gonna i'm gonna read it and uh for sure write a blurb thank you so much very much brother it's been awesome sam sheridan ladies and gentlemen. Follow him on Twitter. Follow him in life.

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