The Joe Rogan Experience - #2315 - José Andrés

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

José Andrés is a chef, restaurateur, TV host, author, and founder of the nonprofit organization World Central Kitchen. His new book, "Change the Recipe: Because You Can't Build a Better World Without Breaking Some Eggs,"  is available now. He is the co-host of NBC's new cooking competition show "Yes, Chef!"  instagram.com/chefjoseandres Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. $5+ first-time bet req. Max. $200 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 5/18/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day! Let's go! Jose, my man! I cannot believe I'm here. I can't believe you're here either. I'm so happy, yo. I remember when, you know, people began telling me,

hey, you know, you're Rogan. And I was like, you're Rogan what? Because I'm always lost, right? Yeah, you're Rogan loves Bazaar. Yes. Loves Bazaar in Las Vegas. It's my favorite restaurant in Vegas. Loves Bazaar meat in Las Vegas.

And I'm like, really? Shit. And you're happy every time you you listen that anybody likes your restaurant well your restaurant is set up so good when you walk in the those Argentine grills are going with the live wood fires oh and you smell the steaks right when you walk in oh it's perfect honey pot because If you're not hungry you get hungry the moment you walk in the door So, you know bizarre I open first one Oh my god over 15 years ago in LA in this hotel amazing hotel SLS

by Philippe Stark Sadness Aryan was the brains behind the whole project and and and the restaurant use became Wow Sam Nazarian was the brains behind the whole project. And the restaurant just became, wow, big, big, big hit in LA. It was a crazy place. It was like Alice in Wonderland, like Joe in Wonderland. But then when we were opening SLS, the same hotel in Vegas, we were like, let's do Bazaar, but something else. And obviously what everybody loves in Vegas is a meat place. So we got the spirit of the original Bazaar, same dishes, the whimsy, the cotton candy foie gras,

the Philly cheesesteak that you eat in one bite. But we brought meats, meats from different parts of the United States, different parts of Spain, Europe, Iberico pork, big grills. And it was kind of fancy. You could go fancy. You could go corn candy and cones of caviar, which, by the way, I have here some cones,

if you're hungry later. But then you can go and you eat the steak. That's it. Why is Vegas a big meat place? It feels like it's a lot of steak houses. A lot of steak houses, yeah. Not a lot of great ones though. A lot of women, overall is good.

I'm not gonna be the one saying. There's a few that are. You can, you can. I'm not gonna be the one. There's a couple of good ones. I'm not gonna be, I mean, listen, it's very share. My friend Tom Colicchio has one. What's that one? Tom I don't even know that it's so many casinos. I don't know what Tom Colicchio the chef Wow, you know everything

Yeah, that's the one we've been to it. Oh, that one's great Yeah, that one's Tom is a great guy. What is called craft steak? Is it craft? Yes, a crowd one and I think Wolfhound Pie has another one Anyway, it is many other ones with names, with chefs behind, with no chefs, big name chefs. I like Cleaver's great. That's off the strip. Yeah, I've not been.

That's very good. I should go. Very good. Yeah, this is good you mentioned that because when we go Vegas, we stay in the casinos and we go to the casinos, hotels and that's it. Yeah. And me, I've always been a big fan of saying, it's OK,

but make the effort to leave the casino, leave the strip, and also visit some of the other restaurants. Yeah, you got to travel a little bit. Because they deserve that we visit them too. Vegas is the casinos, but Vegas, like every other city in America, every other city in the world, is so much more. We all go to the Whistler of Oz.

Yeah, here we go. That's it. Nothing else. No. Go beyond the obvious. And you're going to discover great things. But Bazaar, I'm moving Bazaar. Where?

To the Venetian. Oh. Well, that other casino is going to starve then. They're going to fall apart. No, no. There's no reason why I want that. No, it's a good casino. Oh well that other casino is gonna starve then. They're gonna fall apart. No, no. It's the only reason why I want that. No, it's a good casino. It's a good casino. And they do a good job. The Sahara and the owner is a good guy. And we need to... I'm sure. And they're gonna put a great concept there too. What are they gonna replace bizarrely? I don't know yet. They didn't announce. If I can I will help them.

I've been helping them. But I'm moving... To the Ven helping them. But I'm moving to the Venetian. But sir, me to the Venetian. And when is that going to happen? At the end of this year. Soon. You'll be there. I'll be prepared. You'll be invited. I'm going to come. You'll be invited.

That's my favorite place to go on Vegas. You know, I'm very happy because it's almost... I don't know if it's the same as when a player moves to a new NBA team. Sometimes works, sometimes doesn't work. No, bizarre meets, it'll work. But you know, it's that feeling, right? It's like, I'm going to this new casino, it's great, closer to my other restaurants at the Cosmopolitan.

I can go walking from one to each other and better for me. And then I have the other bazaar, which is bazaar, man, I'm sorry, I sound like commercial, but. No. You know, restaurants are like my babies. I've eaten at your place in Chicago as well. Yeah, the bazaar meet in Chicago and bazaar is great. So, bazaar, it's kind of, again, restaurants for me, yo, they've never been business.

God knows I'm not the best businessman. I'm surrounded by good business people. I am a creative guy. I think that's why they're so good, though. I think that's why they're so good. I think if you were just concentrating on making money, it wouldn't be what it is. Well, I should. I should. You shouldn't. You keep doing what you're doing. It's not the bad thing, but I am a story teller. You are a story teller. You are a troubadour,

a medieval troubadour that will tell the stories of what was happening around the castles and courts in medieval times in Europe. You're a storyteller, right? I am not very good at anything. My English, I miss a lot of words that I wish I knew. Yeah, but it sounds cool. I could express myself better. No, no, no, no, no. But I'm a storyteller and I tell stories through dishes. That's who I am. Yeah. Well, you do a fantastic job of that.

And the passion that you have for food comes through. It comes through in your restaurants. It really does. Like, you can tell the difference between someone who just really loves food and someone who's just trying to make money. So it's good that you're not a good businessman and that you surround yourself with good businessmen,

because that's all you need. Good businessmen that you can trust, and then you concentrate on what you do best. That's a perfect marriage. You know, I'm 55. I'm about to become 56, July 13. I born in 69. And I realize not only as a chef, but as a person,

as a man, as a father, as a husband, as all the different labels we all have. It's always that the more you know, the more you realize you know nothing. In the old days, I will be 23, yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know. Now it's like, I don't know, tell me. And even if I know something in a conversation, I used to tell, do you know about this? I don't, why? Because I wanna listen, because I wanna learn.

I realized that me living home fairly early and not going to university and not even beginning the first year of high school, I was out. I didn't even graduate on the first year. That one of the things I needed was received education, but not in the traditional way. The traditional way was not for me. Just being there eight hours a day listening to all the hundred kings we have in Spain growing up, like, why I need to know? And listen, and I respect kings, and I love the king of Spain, and I think he's a great man, a great human being. It has nothing to do with that. It's only I didn't

want to know what the other 200 kings we had in Spain in this history is not what I was interested. Yeah. I was interested in knowing what they did that was amazing but not knowing about their names and their last names. I didn't care about that. So I needed to find ways for me to use to learn. So that's why for me I realized the more I know, the more I know nothing nothing and I'm in this moment I'm 55 that I'm just eager to learn. I want to know more. I want to learn more. I want to I'm talking now but I want to listen more. I only want to be a better person by learning. Yeah. Well that's beautiful and when're young, you think you know everything.

And as you get older, there's a quote by, I think it's Dennis McKenna said this, that as the bonfire of enlightenment grows, the surface area of ignorance is exposed. So the more you learn, the more you realize there's so much you don't know. Whereas as you're young, you think you can't fucking I figured it all out. And then as you get older, you're like, there's so much I don't know. Not only that, there's no way I can

know everything. It's not possible. That's why fools argue about things that they don't know. Instead of just going, what is that? How does that work? Instead of actually being genuinely curious, fools like to try to pretend that they know more than they know with this. No, it's not possible to breathe underwater. Don't pretend you can. It's not possible to know everything. You just can't. There's going to be people that know things that you don't know. Celebrate that. Enjoy it. You know, I think that's one of the best things

that's ever happened to me through this podcast is I get to talk to so many different people that have lived so many different lives and have so many different passions and so many different interests and so many different things that they've studied. It's an amazing education. But I was a lot like you.

I did not want to sit in school whatever adhd is I have it You know whatever the fuck it is. I'm raising my hand. I got it. I mean like sometimes when you know I have people That's all my son has this I'm like what did your son is an amazing human? Smart individual yeah, and I feel like I connect with him because I think we are alike. So yeah, I raised my hand I am that too. I subscribe to the idea that ADHD is a superpower I really do because I think the people that can't focus on nonsense Generally speaking they can focus on things. They love really focused. They get really excited about certain things But everything else they can't be bothered with like when I was a kid I remember being in math class and checking out, because I said,

wait a minute, can I do this on a calculator? Yes. There are calculators, right? And there's an unlimited supply of batteries, right? They said yes. I'm like, I'm out. I'm out. I'm not going to think about math now, because this is not something I'm interested in.

If I can do all this math on a calculator, why do I need to learn how to do it? Obviously, that's a dumb way to think. That's when I was 13. but I remember thinking that at 13 years old. I'm out. I'm not going to think about this anymore. I'm just going to use a calculator. This is so stupid. Just give me the result. Yeah. I don't need to know how you made all those numbers work. I just like, I know it's real. Okay, that's great. I'm interested in other things. But the thing is, school was designed to make good factory workers.

That's what school was designed for. The American school system, at least, was designed by the Rockefellers. And what they're essentially doing is preparing people to be cogs in a wheel. They're preparing people to just show up and do what you're told and live this life of quiet desperation and just sit there and absorb whatever they tell you to because you're gonna have to go and work and do something you don't want to do all day long and show up and do it again until your body stops working and you die. I don't know if I will 100% agree with that statement in the sense of

this was created by design. I think... Well the school system in America certainly was created by design. I think... Well, the school system in America certainly was created by design. The idea of sitting people down, especially young kids for eight hours a day is a ridiculous idea. But the schools and education go way beyond America and go back in time. We always had an interest for writing and teaching and sharing Nodalich and obviously the very few lucky ones centuries and centuries ago were the ones that were able to acquire that Nodalich. Yes but I think starting people off at five years old and sitting them

in classes all day that's relatively new in human history. This is what I'm talking about. This sitting people in classrooms all day as children. This is relatively new in human history. This is not something that people did hundreds and hundreds of years ago. When you think about all the great scholars of the past, yes, they certainly learned in school. They didn't do it the way they're doing it today. I'm not an expert on that front, but I can tell you when my daughters began going to school, my wife decided to take them to Montessori School. That's where everybody's in the same grade, right?

Very much, but the type of learning and the type of teaching and the method of Montessori, I was fascinated by, I was so fascinated that I almost felt like as a dad, I had to go to a school to learn the Montessori system myself because I thought it was great. I thought it was giving my daughters a great framework to understand how to be themselves, how to grow, how to organize themselves, giving them the freedom to become the young woman they are becoming. So for me, just watching them going through,

when they were four or five, going to Montessori, I thought that was amazing, because I saw little human beings that they there were far away smarter I think than when I was at their same age was no system of education that was used guiding them like cows or like horses when they put how do you call this thing the blinders the blinders. Yeah. No, it was the contrary. It was opening their world, not only 360, but almost three-dimensionally. Giving them options for them to be their own, their own owners of their destiny, I will

say. I think that's why my daughters became so highly opinionated. And so, daddy, thank you for your opinion, but let me tell you, it's something else here. Okay, okay, all right. And I love it. So yeah, I'm not an expert on education or ICU point, but still I'm not going to lie to you, Joe. I wish that in the same time, the same way I told you, I didn't go through proper education. In many ways I wish I received a slightly more proper education like I learned business hitting

the wall every time you know. Winston Churchill they claim he said that success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm. I had a lot of a lot of successes but they had my share of failures too like I'm sure everybody does yeah but what makes the difference between looking down and never moving again or picking up the pieces picking up the pieces and let's do it again is sent to see us that's a great quote failure to failure well losing enthusiasm that's a great quote well I don't know it was his you know every phrase that is a good phrase and they don't know who did it. Right. Let's give it to Worcester Church or Socrates. Yeah. There's always a bunch of those. Yeah. But whatever

it is, it's accurate. It's definitely accurate. I just think that there's a lot of different roles in life. And the problem with traditional school is that they're preparing you for a job. And I think there's a lot of like very creative people that would be served better if they had a more open-ended education and they were allowed to just pursue their interests and be excited about certain things and just get a rudimentary education and other things. That's just my opinion because I think there's there's certain people that are they just don't fit in with regular nine to five life it's just not for them and like I said you can call it ADHD whatever you want to call it there's a lot and all my friends everyone I hang out with I don't know anybody that's like built for regular life. Yeah on that I feel I'm

more in your club. I think the best university is the university of life. Yes. As long as you're really engaging, as long as you're really doing something and really challenging yourself and really applying yourself to something. That's, yeah, I agree with you. And you know, you have to have a lot of,

I think the more interests you have, the more things you're fascinated by, the broader your understanding of human beings will be and the better your life will be. Yeah. And engaging. Yes. Engaging. I know lately I've been, you know, taking the taxi ride or the Uber ride or I drive myself sometimes

but I'm realizing for example that the most fascinating moment is when I go back to use on the subway. And just talk to people. It's great. Or see people. Well I mean in your case everybody will recognize you. In my case yeah people may recognize me too, obviously in DC, New York. And then things happen. So you have to engage for all these things of education, as you said, to happen.

Because, yeah, it's the only way things happen. I mean, you know, I have this new book, this is another commercial, Change the Recipe, which I'm touring right now. And I say one of the quotes I give, it's very important to me. I mean, it's a phrase probably you heard often, many times before that,

life starts at the end of your comfort zone. You and I were talking about education. That means that the true education happens at the end of your comfort zone. You and I were talking about education. That means that the true education happens at the end of your comfort zone. Because if you are not pushed to the limits, what it is is what it is and that's it. You don't need to know anything else. You don't need to learn anything else. You are in a safe space.

You're in your cube. You're in your room, everybody's protecting you and the system protects you and you are okay. The only thing, the only moment will become interesting is when you leave that room of comfort, you go to the edges of that horizon and you cross that line of the horizon that's the moment that life gets really interesting. Yes, yeah I agree. I think just a lot of people that don't have experience challenging themselves they get fearful they get fearful they get in they anticipate things they get anxiety and

they just never learned how to challenge themselves. That's the problem. They never walked out on the end of the pier, you know, so to speak. They never pushed themselves and because of that they're terrified of it. But you see, you need like little baby steps. Do something you've never done before. Go take a yoga class. Go learn how to speak Spanish. Go do something. Do something different and then try to do something else different. Try to add a little bit. Don't just go right into doing a triathlon.

Do something that just makes you a little nervous. And then try to build on that. But do it intentionally. That's my advice. Remember that this is a reason why people sometimes they are so scared of the world. Because actually, the world is a reason why people sometimes they are so scared of the world. Because actually the world is a scary place. It certainly can be.

I think the world is a wonderful place. But for centuries, for thousands of years, humans, planet Earth is beautiful. But the world is full of dangers yes just get lost in a forest yeah without anybody without anything even without the knife yeah and things are gonna happen yeah a scuba dive in the waters in the dark ocean dangerous there are things moving in the water. Things are complicated. If you are trying to feed yourself, is this mushroom poisonous or not? You know, to be a human for centuries, for thousands of years, was a dangerous place. So I'm only saying that this is part of the DNA,

that is part of who we are as humans, that we want to be in a place we feel protected. And equally, we want to protect our loved ones. So it's just a human natural response through the evolution of humanity for thousands of years. That is true, but also to the contrary when you take risks and then you get rewards from those risks you then start getting very excited about taking risks. You get excited about adventure. You get excited about doing things where you're not

certain how it's gonna turn out. Like you opening up the new bizarre meats at the Venetian who knows Who knows I think it's gonna be great, but who knows like new things new challenges new challenges are exciting, but that's why Humans even sometimes we feel we want to be alone in a cave That's what you're saying before on the top of a mountain right before I give in You're saying you want to open up a restaurant where only four people can go You have to get to the top of the mountain right before I came in you're saying you want to open up a restaurant where only four people can go You have to get to the top of the mountain and you have to walk 20 miles yeah, and if you get there and the first seats are taken you have to wait you have to camp until next day Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do I know bottles of oxygen and all that no

People go to the Everest do yeah, that's ridiculous. Yeah, I don't get it do I know bottles of oxygen and all that no Go to the Everest. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get it Yeah, big line of people. Yeah, I say I got to the top Yeah, I go to the top and they had ten guys carrying their yeah carrying their Belonging sure the Sherpas and their oxygen bottles like and the Sherpas and their oxygen bottles. It's like, actually, actually, if I was any of the countries that controls the access to all those amazing mountains, all the top,

the 8K, the Aconcagua and the Everest, all the big peaks, I would make it mandatory that you have to go on your own. You could argue that, okay, but then Scuba diving, you are using air. Why is scuba diving? That's different. Okay, but I wanna be fair.

Will be an argument. Jose, you like scuba dive. You can go down into the ocean and you can bring air, but I'm going to the Everest and I cannot bring air. But I take my bottle with me. I don't litter the bottom of the ocean as I scuba dive. I leave the ocean as I found it. That's the real problem with Everest is the litter and the human waste.

Tons, tons of poop. Just human poop all over the side of the frozen one. Yo, they're not going to be holding their poop. I get it. I get it too, but it's kind of crazy. They can put it on the bag maybe and take it with them. You can't carry them. maybe and they can't even take the bodies down there the trees yeah I there's how many bodies are on the side of Everest well as how many bodies how many bodies are on Everest as climate change it's it's gotta be dozens taking down some of the

ice and there's no one listen brother ain't no climate change up there. That's gonna be cold for a long, long, long. I don't know, I've not been, but no jet, but who knows? But some ice is disappearing. Yeah. How many? Well, it says over three people have died and many have been unclaimed. This doesn't say that number.

Over 30? Over 300 have died. 300 have died. She says many have been unclaimed. It's a very dangerous thing. Even, yeah. Even. 200 bodies approximately still on the thing. Even, yeah. Even 200 bodies approximately still on the mountain. Yeah, they have like, there's a map where all the

bodies are. But I see your point. But this is an interesting tribe that people want to go to the top peaks. Even myself, I've, I thought about it. Like, do I do that one day? Because I, you know, as you grow older, it's like like I have all these things I want to do in life and I want to do check check yeah I want to go Joe Rogan will he invite me to his show like let me let me send him a text message check here I am so maybe one day maybe one day I should do it but I want to do it in a more like the old days in a more you know I need to get probably in better shape to do it in a more like the old days in a more You know, I need to get probably in better shape to do I think the first guy that did it died

Who's the first something like that? His body's still up there I believe the first guy they think he made it up to the top It's still is not his body's on the way down So they don't know if he actually made it and died on the way down or if he died on the way up and then the Second guy made it all the way up. But yeah, not good. Without oxygen in particular, very difficult to do. So you mentioned about the tribes, right? The tribesmen. And we were... The Sherpas? No, and before that we were having the conversation about the world is a dangerous... Yes....a dangerous place. That's why we like tribes.

Because the world is a dangerous place, so we feel unprotected by things, by life. But everything that surrounds us. And that's why, then, humans, we had to be part of a family, part of a little tribe that then became bigger. Because we cannot all be good at everything. Like you like your friends, me like my friends. I know the things I'm good at, which are not many, but I know the things I'm not good at in life, at work, whatever. Surround yourself with those people that cover your blind spots. Surround yourself with friends that cover your blind spots

that make you better. In the same way you are gonna be making them better. Yes. Where everybody covers each other's weaknesses. Yes. Well, you have to do that in the kitchen, right? Ah, it's not the way. Yeah. And, you have to do that in the kitchen, right? Ah, he's no other way. Yeah. And everybody has to work hard. I mean,

that is one of the most underappreciated grueling jobs is to be a cook in a kitchen with 15 other guys and women and everyone's running around. Everyone's got a job. You got a 100 people out there waiting to be served. You're running around making this and that and this and that. Orders are coming in. This is medium rare, and this is that, and that is this. Well, I think this is the ultimate power. The ultimate power is that power of being able to feed somebody.

That's why, for me, we are all cooks in a way, directly and directly. But the power of feeding somebody is the, that's all the power I have. To feed humanity, not physically but even in a a way is what you do. You're always, the people that listen to you, you're feeding them. You're feeding their soul. You're serving. Yeah.

You're serving people. But feeding is, but you're feeding, yeah. I'm feeding food, but we are all, we are all feeding each other. We're feeding each other with hope. We are feeding each other with respect, with dignity, with love. Right. With food.

Yes. But it's about feeding. Yeah. I'm going to feed you. Yes. And I know you're going to feed me back. Yes. So, in a way, restaurants for me, I love that my culinary profession.

Agreeing with you is a hard one. You know, it has come a long way. I'm talking about, you know, 30, 40 years ago, even in Spain, it depends where you live, if you told your family you wanted to be a cook. Oh my God, I was looking like it was not a profession that was seen as wow, you're not going to be a doctor, you're not going to be an architect, they're like what? I have no family member that went to university, I have uncles that went, but my father, my mother didn't. They were nurses, but now my profession, this profession has become a profession that has

become very dignified. And it's more than being a chef and a cook. It's the restaurant business, but of sure it's a very difficult business. When do you think that changed and why did it change? Well nothing happens overnight. Listen, I just had this documentary on the last season of Chef Table on Netflix, where I am one of the four chefs that, on this season,

they've done a documentary. And they've done a documentary of my teams and myself culinary life You're gonna see minibar my top restaurant to start Michelin Bazaar everything else, but you're gonna see me telling stories about me cooking with my mom and my dad and Sorry, I got an idea I had the cigar yet But And I didn't have a cigar yet. But my profession is lowly but surely because everybody cooks, right? I always talk about longer tables. But this goes almost to the beginning.

A moment that was very important in my life, talking about cooks and chefs and restaurants and food people and feeding, is that the first time I became a dad. My daughter, who is 26 years old now, Carlota, an amazing young human being. In the moment she came out into the world as a father, that I began having tears, that's another moment you realize that there's always so much pressure on everybody. I feel as a young man, I always had a lot of pressure to be the man everybody was expecting you to be. And sometimes you felt like nothing ever came with instructions. You had to, you know, I have to be a boyfriend, well, okay, well, what does that tell? What do I do?

Is there a manual I can read? What is the right? Then you get married and okay. I'm a husband, I'm going to fall short of what being a husband is. I need to be obviously a friend and a provider, but my wife was working too. And actually I was without a job and she was the one bringing the money in. They fired me from my same restaurant like three times. A restaurant I've always been part of, but technically I was even fired.

You got fired three times? Well, two technically and the third almost I fired myself. What was going on? Rightfully so. Because they were right. I was too young to be a chef of a restaurant. And I'm a creative guy, the guy that needs to run numbers and do food calls and inventory.

And I was concentrated in, can we make the best food we can and new dishes? And the restaurant needed more numbers and food calls and labor and scheduling like what I'm a cook I'm not I'm not a chef I'm a cook I want to cook I don't want to be running numbers so that's why but anyway life comes without the instructions and you always are looking around it's like so my so my daughter borns, and it's like, okay, where are the instructions? I'm barely aware of how to become a young boy and be part of. Now I'm a husband, now I'm a father, I'm still learning about everything, and nothing

comes with instructions. But one thing I realized was one, the lessons of life. That moment that I had these amazing tears of joy, of happiness, of wow, I'm a father. I was part or at least I did my little tiny part. I don't know if I did 1% and my wife did 99% for obvious reasons. They carry it for nine months, and they take the burden of actually make it. They actually make it, but we do our little thing, right? Our little thing that we put in there. It's very little in comparison. It's per matosoid, but just for the record.

We contribute the ingredients. We do all the cooking. Correct, but that young girl comes to the world, and the moment I realize the power of food is when my wife gets the baby and brings her to her, first time she's feeding her. And I realize there the amazing power of food. Because the first gift we receive in the form of a

tangible that sends a message of I'm gonna take care of you. I'm gonna love you. It's through mother's milk. And if our mother cannot feed us, that's mother. It'll be our dad with baby formula, or it'll be the nurse, or it'll be the grandma. But that moment that we are brought in somebody's arms and we are fed, that moment seals our connection with food forever. That's the moment that we are all connected to food in ways we cannot escape.

For obvious reasons, we need food to be alive. But that only tells a little part of the entire deep, profound story of the connection that humans we have with food. And that's why then being a cook, yes, is one of the most fascinating professions because in a way we are only the ones that we keep the legacy of the mothers feeding humanity on that first mother's milk that sets the ground rules of why food is so important in our lives

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until I started watching Anthony Bourdain's show, No Reservations, the original one on the Travel Channel. And then from being really a big fan of that show, I realized like, oh oh this is art and because of his narration his narration was so brilliant because he wrote all the all the descriptions of the cultures that he would visit and the people and the descriptions of the ship you could tell it was all in his language, it was in his mind and he wrote it all out. He didn't have writers and script writers, he wrote all the narratives.

And I think then I realized through his passion for food and his passion for cooking and his deep appreciation for other chefs, it wasn't about him. It was, and he was always very self-deprecating to his own abilities to cook. It was about other people and how amazing these people were and how we'd love to go and visit them. And sometimes it was someone's mother that would be just cooking Sunday sauce, you know, some Italian mother and he would have someone translate what she was saying. He would ask questions. It's like, then I realized like, oh, this is an art form. And I never considered it was an art form until I was a grown man. And I was a little embarrassed by that. I, it's like, then I realized like, oh, this is an art form. And I never considered it was an art form until I was a grown man. And I was a little

embarrassed by that. I it was like, oh, that's a blind spot. Like food is not just delicious. It's a form of art. There's something to it. That's, it's just an unheralded art form, because everybody needs it. And it's not always art, like Twinkies are art. But it's food it's calories you need to consume it to stay alive you need food so you don't think of it but when it's done with passion and when it's done in this creative way it's like you talk about it forever it's a it's amazing it's a it's like going to see an incredible concert or it's like going to see a movie that just rocks your world. It's the same thing

It's just someone expressing themselves through a medium and that medium is food and it's the medium the one medium that we all consume Everyone consumes that medium when I talk to people and they say I don't really care about food. It's just fuel for me I'm like, well, you're an idiot. You're missing out on life. You're missing out on a giant chunk of life, which is delicious food and delicious food that you enjoy with others, which is also a part of food. Enjoying delicious food by yourself is not nearly as fun as enjoying delicious food with other people. There's something communal about it, which goes back to our tribal ancestors sitting around the campfire enjoying something that we cooked.

And our mother feeding us for the first time. Yes. I miss Tony. Yeah, me too. Me too. I miss Tony. You know, I did, you know, we did a few shows together. He always invited me.

Eric Rippert, he did many shows with him. We spent a lot of time together, especially January, we were gathering in the Cayman Islands. We did that for 15 years. For one week, every January. Oh really? Why the Cayman Islands? Because Eric has a hotel there, a restaurant. Eric repaired the nicest, talented chef, Le Bernardin, restaurant of restaurants.

And Eric, Tony and myself, we call ourselves the three amigos. And we'll spend time together, smoking a cigar, doing nothing, walking on the beach, scuba diving. So when Tony decided he used to move to his next station life and left us, I was in Guatemala. I was actually with Wolze & Tricky Chen. There was a big volcano there, Volcano Fuego. It broke my heart. I remember speaking to Eric that day. And just what happened was that less than a month before I was with him in North Spain, Asturias, where I was born, shooting what became his last show. And for me, obviously, that was a hard moment because it's not like I lost a friend in a

very selfish way, an Eric. I know so many hundreds of thousands, millions around the world lost a person that in so many ways, he's probably listening to us, Joe, and in so many ways he is probably listening to us, Joe, in so many ways when I listen to you, you sound like him. Tony speaks like Tony and Joe speaks like Joe. But in a way you are like soulmates. And Tony always had those words of wisdom. He always will be the voice of the voiceless.

He didn't mind to speak his mind. He was a very straightforward shooter. He didn't try to it to be Tony. Respectful, but Tony. And because that forever we will miss Tony. Even I think he never left. He's here. He's in so many parts of all of us. Because his way of telling stories, he waits to listen to the people telling those stories and him becoming the medium of making sure that we will learn that the world was a beautiful place. I remember the story he did about Iran. He went to Iran. Like sometimes you think about Iran and if you read the news, it looks like the people of Iran, they are, and you see the show, they're like, man, Iranian people are great people. Yeah.

Blame the leader, maybe, or the leaders, but the Iranian people, they're good people. Of course. They're like, you're like me. Of course, that's all people. Maybe look different. Yeah, that's all people. Maybe they have a different language.

Maybe, and obviously we know a lot of Iranians who are here in America, and they're wonderful people. So his show, what he did, the legacy of Tony, And obviously we know a lot of Iranians who are here in America and they're wonderful people. So he showed what he did, the legacy of Tony is that he showed us that the world is not such a scary place, that it's okay to open yourself to the world. What we were talking before about people that they get into their cocoon and they don't want to move beyond their comfort zone. Tony show us that the people that are not like us, they

are actually okay. They are just different people that they are going to span our horizons and our thoughts about life. That was Tony. And he did it through foot. And he did it through his amazing, amazing poetry. Yeah. Yeah, that's perfectly said. It took a long time for me to be able to watch his show after he was gone. I love the painting you have in the entrance.

Yeah. What a... I didn't cry because lately, I've been trying to hold my tears, not because I feel a man should not cry. I'm a guy that cries easily and I love it. But when I saw it, first thing, I come out of the, I open the door and there is this

beautiful big portrait of Tony and I'm like, okay, I have a feeling I'm home. Yeah. I've got a couple. I've got another one I'll show you that I have that's in another part of the studio. I got a lot of art in the studio, luckily. It's nice, I love art. I just love being around people's expressions, different things that people create. I just love things that people make.

I really, if there's anything that I couldn't live without in this world, I need to be around people's creations. It's very important to me. I like seeing it. I like it to be all over the walls. So I could be everywhere. I like to touch it. I want to see it.

You know? And when I found out he was gone because my friend Maynard, he's the lead singer of Tool, and Tony had really gotten into jujitsu. And that's how one of the ways, I was friends with him before that, but that's one of the ways that Tony and I got closer is that he knew I was a black belt and I've been doing jujitsu for decades.

And so he would ask me questions, and when we were doing the show together, it was really funny. When I did one episode of no reservation we went pheasant hunting in Montana and Part of the day he's asking me how to finish Darst chokes So he and I are on the ground on the dirt and I'm saying now when you're in this position Like I'm showing him how to strangle people in the dirt

So we're like wearing hunting clothes and boots and everything like that. And I'm like, no, no, no, this way and then trap the head here and turn it like this. So we're like, now do it to me, do it to me. Like we're working with each other like on the ground. And he's like fascinated by this martial art. And I thought it was wonderful because like he's this sensitive, creative, poetic guy

but he found the beauty in Jiu-Jitsu, which is like to the outside person who's the uninformed, it looks like this brutal caveman activity, but it's not. It's a very complicated, intelligent, creative martial art, and he was obsessed with it. And he didn't start doing it until he was 58 years old which is kind of crazy but he really got obsessed with it entered into tournaments age-appropriate tournaments and did really well and so was training every day sometimes twice a day like we got just taking private

lessons and like really good I can tell you that because when we were shooting in Asturias and few other places came islands. One of the things he always did is finding out where was the local Yu-Jitsu hanging place. It's very funny, in Oviedo was a place and he will go there and for one, two hours he will be fighting against local guys. So it was fascinating to see how even on wigs that he was supposed to be concentrated on shooting,

he always found time to do what he loved. So Maynard got his black belt recently and Maynard was also very into jujitsu. He was joking around like maybe one day he and Tony would have a celebrity jujitsu match. So I'm in Chicago, I'm doing shows in Chicago and I get a text message from Maynard and says so much for that celebrity jujitsu match. And I'm like what does that mean? And so I'm like I don't know what that means. That was the moment. And then I Google,

and I have this feeling and then I just the news and then it all hits me. I'm like, oh fuck There's moments when people take their own life where the worst feeling is I Feel like if I was there I could have stopped him from doing that that does the feeling you know the feeling like he just was alone You know, sometimes you just even you know, not alone, and you're gonna be okay, like whatever you think is gonna be the worst thing that's happening here.

It's not your loved your loved. You're an amazing person. There's so much more to see. You don't want to leave these people behind. You don't want to hurt them. You don't want to hurt these people in your life. You don't want to hurt your family. You don't want to hurt your daughter.

You don't want to hurt your wife. Don't do it. I know it feels impossible but it's cuz you're alone and It's you know, sometimes You know, I don't know maybe I wouldn't have been able to do anything Maybe I'm wrong, but there's that haunting feeling that you I could have talked to him. I got expand

That feeling fucking sucks that feeling of I And that feeling fucking sucks. That feeling of if I could have, if I was there with him, I think we could have had some laughs, we could have joked around about some stuff, and we would have been okay. That's, you know. I bet you feel the same way, right? And I think that's something I didn't close yet. Obviously, I'm not going to talk on behalf of Eric, but Eric was so strong. And Eric obviously was shooting with him in France when that happened. And actually, he's the one that found him in his room. And I understand that feeling

because I'm still going through it. And it's okay to feel responsible because that means you care for those people. But the message here is that we all need to be checking always on each other. That's what friends are for obviously for the celebration of your team winning the NBA or or or or having a beer or the birthday or a party or celebrating life or playing darts or just having beers with no plan. What are you doing tonight? Yeah. I'm having a beer. I'm joining you. Great. That's great. The

celebrations, that's what we're here for. But the true moments of friendship obviously are those moments that even you show up when you're not invited, because you feel something maybe is off. And it's okay to knock on the door. It's okay to pick up the phone. It's okay to maybe get on a plane. It's okay to... And obviously, I guess, like you now, Joe, that I'm learning about, and gives me joy to see that here another person that really loved Tony, and Eric, and myself, and so many others around the beautiful life of Tony, that we wish we were there, right?

So I think if anything, I don't think it's a lesson, it's only let's always be there for each other Yeah, let's always be there for each other and let's all be even if Especially when we disagree about anything Yeah, just let's be kinder to each other even under these agreements Yeah Of the people you know and of the people you don't know. Right. Because we are all more connected than we think and what we

say and what and our opinions they may be touching and affecting somebody else. Somebody else we know somebody we don't know. So that's okay to celebrate the good times and agree all the time when we can, but there'll be moments that you don't or moments of sadness or moments of hate. Just be kinder even in those moments of disagreement. If anything, that's the lesson I always take with me because you don't know what anybody may be going through. You don't know what anybody may be going through. Right. You don't know what anybody may be going through. Another lesson that I've taken with me

is that any conflict that I've ever had with a person, even if I was correct, even if I was right in being angry, even if I was right in the mean things that I said, I never felt good afterwards. But every good interaction that I've ever had where maybe me and a person disagreed, but we came out of it smiling and hugging and we found common ground, then I feel great. Always, always feel great.

You know, I just, there's going to be people that you run into in life that are stubborn and they don't want to avoid conflict. They want that conflict. They feed off of it. They're stupid. Whatever. Not, not even stupid. They're on a bad path. They're on a bad

They have a bad programming. They have bad Whatever the patterns of behavior that are ingrained in their consciousness They're unforgiving and they're you know, they they have this This way of living their life and it's not a good way and you know, you can't fix everybody So you just got to when you encounter those people, you have to be able to filter people out of your life. You have to know like some people you can't interact with. But the people that you can,

just try to not have conflict. I don't want any conflict. I'm not interested in it. I'm good at it. I know how to do conflict. I do it, literally do it professionally. Sure, you can break the, you can break the neck of anybody. But I mean even verbal conflict.

I'm not interested in it. I'm not interested in physical conflict and I'm not interested in verbal conflict. It's not what I like out of life. What I like out of life is fun and joy and being around interesting people and challenges and doing difficult things and creative things and learning, learning about myself,

learning about other people, learning about life. Conflict is just a distraction from your own personal demons for the most part. It's a lot of what it is. When you're angry at other people, a lot of times you're really distracting yourself from the things you don't like about yourself. It's a flaw.

And I try to filter it out as much as possible in my life. I'm not interested in it. Yeah. I'm trying to be, I'm trying to become the best version of myself on that. The second most important word we can always use in our vocabulary, the second most important one is thank you. But the most important one is sorry. Because thank you, people have a hard time saying thank you.

Me, I try to use the word thank you often, as much as I can. But because God knows I'm an imperfect man, the word sorry is the one I also try to use as quick as I can. And mean it. And mean it. And mean it. Yeah, that's the thing. Don't say sorry because you want someone to not be mad at you. Say sorry because you're actually sorry.

And you are doing your best to change your effort or your behavior or the way you raise your voice. But thank you is important. Second most important, most important is sorry. Because it takes, also it takes humility to say sorry. A lot of people will never say sorry. That's terrible. It's terrible to walk through life with no humility. It's just so stupid. Just such a silly way to go through life with no humility. Like, why? Life is such a beautiful place, especially when you are in, obviously in cities you can see how beautiful life is even. But when you are in a tour and you're seeing the sunrise, or you're seeing the sunset, or you're seeing the moon, and you see how little you are,

how insignificant you are, but at the same, how God gave us this power to be part of this amazing universe we are part of. And then you are thankful there because you are like, oh my God, I am part of something so beautiful. And we all occupy a space on that universe. And the space we occupy should be to... don't make it worse. And we all occupy a space in that universe. And the space we occupy should be to, don't make it worse. If anything, leave it as it is. And if you can, do whatever you can use to make it a little bit better. And that's our destiny in this universe.

You only need to, don't fuck it up. That's it. And if you can do a little bit more, even better. Me, when I am in those places, like I go to the south of Spain and my wife is from there, Cadiz, is where I did my military service in the Spanish Navy and it's one moment not too far away from Gibraltar, the little possession that England has there in the south of Spain, that maybe one day England gives it back to Spain, there is a place that almost you can touch Africa. You feel like you can with your finger touch Africa in the straight of Gibraltar. And it's just like even a movie cannot recreate

the amazing place you are with birds and the oceans the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean and two continents that want to love each other but they are separate but that body of water they are I look and I began circling my head in 360 degrees and I'm like oh my, what a beautiful planet we live in. Let's not fuck it up. What a beautiful universe. One time when my oldest daughter was very young, we went to Hawaii, we went to the big island

and just on a lark just for fun. We went to the top of the observatory Is it Mauna Kea? The Keck Observatory whatever mountain it is and We were driving up there and they said well if it's a cloudy night. It's terrible. You can't see anything But maybe you'll get lucky. And there'll be some stars, you'll be able to see the stars. So we're driving. And as

we're driving, I was telling my wife, look at all the clouds, this sucks. We're gonna get up there. And then we drive even further. It's a long drive. It's like a 90 minute drive through the mountains. As we got further, we drove through the clouds. And the crowds were below us because it's very high As we got further, we drove through the clouds and the crowds were below us because it's very high and the stars were magnificent. It was insane. You saw the whole Milky Way and the entire sky was filled with stars.

There's no light pollution because the Big Island has diffused lighting and they have specific lighting just because the observatory that doesn't give light pollution so you can see all the stars from up there and I remember that day like is yesterday every day I think every time I see the stars I'm like we're so fucked by cities because we can't see what this really looks like that's what it looks like that's what it looked like at night and I remember thinking why don't we see that every day like the universe is so fascinating. Put you in your place. Oh my god, like you are in a convertible spaceship and you're hurling through the galaxy and

the only thing that's protecting you from everything else is a layer of gas. A layer of gas that surrounds this beautiful planet. Of course it's life in one of those star systems. Oh, 100%. It's is life in one of those star system. Oh, 100% is more than in one. Oh, yeah, we're I think we're just little babies and they're not ready to let us know yet. Well, that's what I think. I'm sure they're trying. Some of them, I think they're trying to contact others like we are. I think some of them have been here. I had a guy on yesterday's names how put off. He's a physicist that's been working with the government with this stuff forever. He said they have 10 retrieved crafts that

are of non human intelligence 10 that the United States is in possession of. And he said they during the Bush administration, George Bush's administration, they were contemplating disclosure to the American people. And they wanted to get all these physicists and scientists and psychologists to make a list of things that would be negatively impacted by disclosure and things that would be positively impact by disclosure and give them a numerical value like a zero to ten value and When they calculated it all up at the end of the day the cons outweighed the pros and they decided not to disclose

So during the Bush administration during George Bush's administration during 9-eleven during that time that time period They were contemplating this is 2004. They were contemplating having disclosure and Releasing to people the fact that we are in possession of non-human intelligent crafts. They have recovered biological entities, meaning beings from another planet that are preserved that we have, and that non-human crafts are visiting this planet or might not even be visiting. They might actually be here.

They might have bases in the ocean. They might have bases somewhere in the mountains but that this is a real thing so he started working on this in 2004 and he's he's you know a hundred percent convinced that it's been movies about it this Some 51? Area 51. Area 51? Listen, nothing will give me more joy. As a young boy, I always thought, man, could I be the guy that finds ET? It wouldn't be cool. And especially each scene is a good alien space piece that is an alien s piece of goodness Hopefully imagine. Yeah, imagine is a science fiction movie and planets like us is part of

Yeah, let's say they're here. Yo, and let's say that all the You know junk food and extra calories and the obesity pandemic is actually something like this alien civilization has orchestrated. And so as we become fatter, they're going to be able to recollect more protein to take back to their planets. Okay, that can be a great next big movie and then we'll eat seeds and they'll take it with us and they'll put us in the planet and at our stomachs we'll have potatoes in their fields.

I don't know. But I only will say that if that already happened and the government, the US government, number one, seems everything only happens in America. All the great movies of the world, everything happens in America. All the science fiction movies. And me as a young boy, like, that's why I wanted to come to America, because man, the aliens never visit Spain.

It's always America. Everything cool always happens in America. And that's, I guess, why I wanted to come. But I will say that if already something like that happened, and we've not invaded again means that they're good aliens, let's hope. But I will say that at this moment, our government will be already sharing with all of us something that will forever change the present and the future of humanity. You think they would already share it?

Why not? No, I'll tell you why not. Because he explained it to me yesterday. There's a bunch of problems. One of the problems is they've been studying this stuff for decades. Studying this stuff, back engineering crafts, all that stuff takes money. And the way they get that money is by lying. They lie to Congress.

So they misappropriate funds. So they lie about where money is by lying. They lie to Congress. So they misappropriate funds. So they lie about where money is going, which puts people in jail. So in order for them to tell the truth, they have to open themselves up to serious criminal prosecution. Like, you're in deep trouble. You've misappropriated funds. You've lied to Congress. And there's probably some fraud involved in that too.

As soon as you get a bunch of people that can lie to Congress, who knows where all the money went, you know, money's moving around. And then there's also the fact that the way you work on these crafts, you have to use defense contractors, because they're the ones who make jets, they're the ones who make spaceships, like you can't do it on your own, you have to bring in these scientists. So you have to bring in private industry. So when you bring in private industry, now you have the United States government, the intelligence agencies embedded in private industry, and then their

competitors suffer. So if the competitors go under, then the competitors could sue, hey, you gave, you know, whatever Raytheon, you gave Raytheon this special generator that you've back engineered from some flying saucer, why didn't you give it to General Electric? Why didn't you give it to this company or that company? It's like, it's all Lockheed Martin. There's too many problems in terms of legal ramifications, prosecutions, people are going to lose their careers, they're going to be brought in front of Congress, they're going to have to testify. The only way that they're going to really have disclosure

at this point is amnesty. The government is going to have to say, listen, let's let the past be the past, no one's going to get in trouble, but for the greater good of humanity, we need to know what the fuck is going on. So tell us what's going on. And that's a tough one.

So you mentioned about aliens living in the ocean that's Atlantis. Well it's not Atlantis. But technically it's Atlantis which is a city under the water. No Atlantis was a city above. Correct but technically somewhere submerged and still they're looking for Atlantis. Well, they think they found it. The pyramids, the pyramids and some of the drawings and paintings. I mean, we can go to Peru with the Incas and we can go with the Mayans, Guatemala. And it's a lot of people that always

have been trying to make connections of things they found that they say already we made contact in previous civilizations of planet Earth. But I have a hard time believing that this has already happened. And I respect the opinion of obviously who looks, seems as an expert and has spent a lot of time. And I see that you believe in it. The side of me that is the boy that will want to believe that

there are other planets with people and we are not alone, I will be full of joy. Yes. So, I hope that if there are good people and that happens, that you and I and everybody else around the world, maybe that's the moment that the world becomes one. And all of a sudden we are all fighting. You remember what was the movie? Independence Day. If they are the bad guys, you and I, you will be doing jiu-jitsu against an alien species and me, I will be with two pens, I don't know, crashing their heads. But let's hope that they are more like itty.

Yeah. And not like alien. Well, I would imagine if you look at the trajectory of human life on this planet, the world is safer than it's ever been. People are smarter than they've ever been. People are more aware. We have more access to information. And generally, generally people are kinder and less tolerant of evil than they have ever been before. There's

still problems with just the tribal nature of human beings. We're, you know, we're territorial apes. I mean, that's what we are. But I would imagine that if they are so sophisticated that they're capable of traversing solar systems, traversing galaxies and reaching us, they're beyond that stuff. If they weren't and they have reached us, they could have destroyed us a thousand times over by now. We could destroy ourselves a thousand times over. We, with our inability to go to other galaxies, we could destroy ourselves. So for sure, they could destroy us. I don't think that's what they're interested in. I think we are an emerging civilization

in the galactic sense. And I think that if you look at primitive man, and you look at primitive primates, and you look at primitive primates and you look at current human beings and our technological achievements and all of our medical achievements and our ability to feed enormous groups of people and our concern about the environment and all the things that make us so special as human beings, I would imagine that that would be even more advanced with these species. I think that's the only way they're visiting us. Obviously. That's no other way.

You don't get to us if you're still tribal territorial apes. Technically they say that speed light will be almost, even if we are able to achieve a speed light, that our human body itself will not be able, right, whatever that means. But now we see that we can be sending our conscience in other ways without our physical body. This could be happening one day. Me, what I know, the thing I'm interested in is,

I wish I will be alive when we put the first restaurant in the moon or the first restaurant in Mars and I will be there just cooking for the first people arriving. I've done my little part. Many chefs, many chefs, many, you know, they've done, thanks to NASA, their work and they put their mark on food that has been sent to the space station. I did it in 2016, 2017. My dream was to send paella, the Spanish rice dish, to the space station. You did?

You sent it to the space station? And I was able to partner with a company called Axiom, A-X-I-O-M, which is one of the companies helping provide services to NASA to bring astronauts and they will do it also with civilians to the space station, and was a Spanish astronaut, a Spanish-American astronaut called Lopez Alegria. And he is like, Jose, in action we will be interested if you want to do a dish, because we are going to be feeding all the astronauts in one of our first trips and if you are up to it and say yeah what do I have to sign and we send Iberico ham we send paella valenciana we send a pork dish with pisto which is like a ratatouille a Spanish ratatouille

and I did it that's's amazing. But you know the thing I did which is the coolest? What? Because all of that brings new things and new opportunities. So it's this guy called Jim Sears, an amazing engineer, a guy that is crazy for a space like you, like me, like so many, and like everything there is a competition. And the competition is about, right now, astronauts receive the food already cooked. Come in those pouches, semi-purees,

liquids that they pour into their mouth, and blah. And these certain things are OK. The rice we did, I thought, was very good. Even we had a little issue. We tried to make the paella too by the book, and the paella at the end was a little bit too dry, as a traditional paella is, meaning the grains of rice are fairly loose and separated, one from each other, which on earth is a sign of a good paella. But in space, if you open the pouch, all of a sudden you start having all those little rice floating in the station. And there is the moment you want chopsticks. Oh my God. I wasn't the edge of collapsing the space station by sending

paella. But what I've been working on with this guy I mentioned, Jim Sears, is that he came up with a kitchen that will be the kitchen, and he won a competition, the kitchen that astronauts could use one day, hopefully soon enough. This is it? Save it, and that Jim, amazing guy, Jim Sears, and it's two prototypes

of this machine. He gave us the prototypes. My team has been working on them. Cherries, macaroni and cheese. That cherries, look at that's a cornbread. That's a cornbread. And I want you to take a look because this is how food we look in is in a space If one day we have a kitchen in in the surface of the moon or in Mars

That's a brownie and and I need yeah, and if you are Elon Musk if you're listening to this conversation a space food will look like this kind of circle the circumference because that machine, what it does is centrifuge, like G forces can go up to G fourteenth, that's a lot of Gs. And the reason is that we will send ingredients, but the ingredients will float. If you don't achieve the centrifugeuge that will move the ingredients to the sides of this kind of kitchen where you don't cook in the bottom but you cook on the sides, you

will not be able to cook. Because you need that gravity, that G-forces to bring the food to the edges. Then you can do mac and cheese, brownies, and this will be great because especially if one day will go to Mars astronauts are gonna have to be doing something to keep their minds for yeah and one of the things will be cooking why not why not better quality cooking this amazing guy mr. Sears is the guy that just came up with the kitchen and I'm I feel like I'm forest gum in a chef heart. But then you get the opportunities to get something like a kitchen

that one day could be the kitchen that will feed humans in a space. And that would be so great for morale, too, because instead of eating goop out of a tube, you're eating delicious food so you can enjoy a real meal in space. What a genius idea to cook in a centrifuge to spin it around so it has gravity. It's only an early option if you have my rice floating in this, floating everywhere. And they're like, excuse me, hey, hey, chicken leg, come back here. Hello.

It's like, hello, oh oh the fish is going away red snapper come back to me baby yeah you got it but that's cool that so yeah listen to me I love I love science fiction I comics about science fiction oh my god I have a big collection of comics manga, and it has to do with food even more, but about the space even more. And yeah, one day I hope, yeah, we'll meet aliens, and they'll be good people, and we'll be great people, and hopefully we will not charge them any tariffs, so we can do good commerce

And maybe they will bring a different species of animals to increase our diet. Well, I would imagine let's hope is that okay? Yo, let's hope is that and is not as I said that they are waiting for planet Earth to be 10 20 billion people all of us obese That's why the best way people, all of us obese. That's why the best way, people of America, the best way to fight against an alien invasion of planet Earth is that we all stay fit, we don't get overweight, and we are lean, a lot of muscle, not a lot of fat. Because that day, that alien civilization, we learn that we are not, we are not the harvest worth having,

because we are too lean, and they cannot feed their own planets. Well, I don't think that's a good strategy, because I think some of the most delicious food is wild game, and wild game is very lean, you know? Okay. I think it's a terrible strategy. I think what we really, our real hope is that they've moved beyond that. I think our real hope is that they've moved beyond commerce.

That's the real hope. I mean everybody's all, look I'm not saying communism is good because it's terrible. Communism doesn't work with human beings because we're not prepared for communism. But I do think that if we evolve past these primate instincts that we have and we genuinely develop some sort of a sense of real intimacy and community with everybody on earth, we would share resources. Totally. Yes and our real fascination would be in contributing to, whether it's contributing to knowledge, contributing to art, contributing to whatever it is.

Instead of constant competition, our competition would be with ourselves to make better things, and to do better, and to achieve better. But that's going to have to come with, we're going to have to evolve past the way we interact with each other. And I think we're slowly doing that. I think human beings are slowly but surely doing that.

And when you have like well-minded people who want to embrace Marxism and socialism, I think that's really the heart of it. It's like well, it's a good idea at a bad time. We're not prepared for that, as human beings. But I think if we get to a point where we could all read each other's minds, which I think is on the horizon, we get to a point where information is instantaneous. We get to a point where how do you have money if money is ones and zeros, and then there's no such thing as encryption anymore, because you have quantum computing money is ones and zeros and then there's no such thing as encryption anymore because you have quantum computing and so you can't just keep money.

You can't just get where we're going to have to develop a way as we advance as a society as a species to share resources, to share resources in a genuinely equitable way. It's beyond our comprehension now as territorial apes, but I think that's the future of the human species, is that one day we reach this peak where we realize that our true competition is within ourselves, within our own minds, and to do the best that we can

for the overall greater good of the species, and then hopefully the greater good of the universe itself. And building longer tables. Building longer tables. Building longer tables. And what is good for you is good for me. Yes. Yes. Take a look at India and Pakistan right now.

Right now, there's many issues. Religion, territory, but one of them is water. Right. Resources. Resources. Which is really everybody's. Resources. Resources. Yeah. And... Which is really everybody's. It's the world's resources.

And what do we do to make sure that, as you said, what is good for me must be good for you, and they must share it. What we have to do is stop making the same mistakes over and over and over again. And those same mistakes involve conflict. Brings it back to conflict and war and you know and people leading groups of people that don't understand what's going on and forcing them to do things that are horrific. Do you think if more women will be in power? No. Will be less war? No, no that's not gonna do it. I

mean it's a great idea but you're a woman boss they turn into tyrants too. It's human beings, it's human beings idea, but you're a woman boss. They turn into tyrants too. It's human beings. Human beings should not have power over large groups of human beings because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It almost always does. That's why there's so many checks and balances in our system of government, you know, to try to mitigate the impact of human psychology when they achieve great power over everyone else because people just become tyrants and I think that is the hurdle that's the hurdle to become becoming a part of the galactic civilization

the hurdle is we have to get past that we have to evolve as a species and my suspicion is that somehow as a species and my suspicion is that somehow technology plays a part in that and the interconnectivity that we're achieving through technology is going to advance our ability to understand each other and it's going to advance our ability to communicate and it's going to force us to come up with some sort of a new way to share resources. Obviously, the biggest resource for me is food and is water. Well, for everyone. But then we have everything else.

That's the one thing you absolutely need for survival. You need fossil fuels because of the way society is engineered. That's why you need fossil fuels, because we've gone in that way. This is the real suspicion about ancient civilizations is that they figured out a way, a different way to achieve great results that they did like the civilization like ancient Egypt to this day we have no idea what how they did that how did that how do they make those pyramids how do they do it what they do why how did they do it at the very least 4,500 years ago many people

suspect that's far older than that. I'm one of them. I think civilization has been around a long, long time and I think there's been catastrophes and there's a lot of physical evidence that point to those catastrophes. But the idea is that at one point in time – so our technology has evolved in a very specific path. Our technology has been the Industrial Revolution, the invention of the internal combustion engine, electronics, and all these things have led us to this incredible level of sophistication

that we enjoy now that's so much different than people that lived just 200, 300 years ago. My suspicion is that the people of Egypt, the people of Turkey, there's a lot of other places in the world, they achieved very similar levels of sophistication with completely different methods that are lost, that are lost in history. And we know for a fact that there was an immense catastrophe. This is the catastrophe that's written in the Bible. This is the Epic of Gilgamesh. This is Noah's Ark. This is so many cultures share these stories of a great civilization that was wiped out by a great catastrophe. And science now believes that that is the Younger Dryas period. The Younger Dryas Impact Theory is this theory that we were hit by comets somewhere around

11,800 years ago and essentially wipe civilization out brought us back to baseline again we were tribal hunter-gatherer people again and then we reinvented civilization 6,000 years 7,000 years later that's what I think. Food was wiped out? No food was here foods always been here we've always need food but if you get hit by comets and there has been much recent events on volcanoes covering very much the high parts of our atmosphere and that then we had very bad harvest because there was not enough sun to produce enough food. And those were very dark moments for

humanity. One of my big worries is precisely that. That right now we live in a moment that yes, we have wars, we have conflicts, but still I believe we live in a great moment of humanity that is full of opportunities. If we have the right leaders that want to bring the best angels within all of us and not just to rely on cheap politics of bringing the worst demons. Not making each other fight each other, but making each other respect and love each other even when we disagree. And that's why for me, foot is the ultimate uniter. Yes.

Because especially in emergencies, I've seen that in the worst moments of humanity, the best of humanity shows up. Yeah, you're right. That's true. Because as we mentioned at the beginning, the lovely mother feeding moment that unites you, food is the best way to tell somebody I love you, I'm here with you. I'm gonna respect you and I'm not gonna let you alone. Yeah. And this is why for me going to emergencies through my lifetime, in the last 15 years especially, is the moment I've been seeing this moment of light, of hope, of saying is in these worst moments of humanity

is so much love, where there is no religion, no color, no political party, it's only people helping people. That tells me that foot is this thing that people in a table can have a conversation about more meaningful things, and then gets deeper than that. Yeah. Gets deeper on foot, I said before, I think is the biggest power anybody can have.

What's the one thing we all need? The power of feeding others. And I think we're taking this power for granted. Governments are being cocky. I think we feel like it's enough food to feed planet Earth. And you mentioned before about these, how you say it in English, cataclysms. Cataclysmic moments. Let's say for a second, because I've been there, that the perfect storm happens.

You know how much food we have more or less on planet Earth to feed the 8-plus billion people we are? 90 days? 90 days? Let's say it's 100 days. It's no more. It's no more. 120, let's say. It'll be different people. I would like to know the number because I think that's very important for national security. But I've seen in the first year, in the same year, I've seen back-to-back category 5 hurricanes hitting Central America, big food producers, parts of the

United States with big food production, the Caribbean. I've seen typhoons in Asia at the same time, hitting very big food production areas. At the same time, droughts in South America at the same time that we had hurricanes with a lot of water in Central America, droughts in South America, at the same time that we had hurricanes with a lot of water in Central America, droughts in Asia, wiping out rice production, at the same time pests, three four countries in Africa with a couple of insects, wiping out the entire harvest of the year, wars like Ukraine, Ukraine, the grain they export feeds close to 500 million people a year, and few other things I'm forgetting. Put everything together in the shaker, and if it happens, we go from, we have enough food to feed humanity But the problem is that we are no good enough in in making sure that the voiceless and the very poor Get their share of food

To one day the newspapers of the world will say Today, we don't have enough food to feed humanity. This could be happening. Yeah Obviously, I want to think about the happy moments about my restaurants and all the restaurants of the world full, the supermarkets full, and everybody eating, and every mother and father being able to bring a plate of food to their children in America and in every country overseas. When everybody has food on the table, the place is a more peaceful place,

and a happy place, and a hopeful place. But I'm worried that day that may be happening and there's no science fiction. No, it's not science fiction. That one day we wake up, remember America, the richest country in the history of humanity, with the most talent in the history of humanity. American talent and talent that came from overseas with inventions, with

wow, looking at the stars and dreaming about going to the moon and Mars and who knows what else. You know, I'm just worried we are taking food for granted in the way that not too long ago, America ran a baby formula for babies. The United States of America had no baby formula for every American family to provide baby formula to their children. And that seems, it's a little thing, but was an issue. It became an issue. And we could read it in the press, but this was real.

Families with money, no problem. We could get it. Somebody will bring it from overseas. But poor families, they were having a hard time finding that baby formula. That only tells me that we take food for granted. And that's why I've been always asking that we need to have a national food security advisor near the year of the president of the United States, near the president of every country, to make sure that food is not an afterthought, but food is something we give it more importance.

Well, I think we have a real hard time imagining things going badly when things aren't going badly. When things aren't going badly, like right now, we concentrate on getting more. I want more stuff. I want more of this. I want more of that. I want to get better. I want to make more money. I want to be more famous. I want to be more popular. Whatever it is. But all it takes is one super volcano. All these things that you're saying, these are all possible. War, famine, disease, pestilence, all that stuff's possible. But you know what else? One super volcano, Yellowstone. Yellowstone blows every six to 800,000 years and it's a continent killer. If it goes, the whole world's fucked. We have nuclear winter for decades. Like who

knows how long it lasts with the dust in the sky, there's going to be no crops. And people are just going to starve to death. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. If it blows, most of us here are dead. Most of us. And most of us, like there's a there was a super volcano, the Toba volcano, in I believe it was 70,000 years ago, they think brought humanity down to a few thousand people. And that could happen again. But it's very difficult for us to think that way. It's very difficult for us to imagine how things could be bad.

That mean people that if you have a good bottle of wine that is very expensive and you are waiting for it to that moment in your life, remember what your Rogan said here, drink it tonight. Drink it tonight. Don't keep it for tomorrow. Drink it tonight. Don't keep it for tomorrow. Drink it today. Yeah. I mean, yeah, make sense. Right. But I think you're right, too, that we should probably prepare for the worst and also figure out ways to mitigate it. Put some resources in to figure out a

ways to mitigate the negative impacts of things like this, like maybe have some massive food storage somewhere. If we have enough money to have massive weapon storage, why don't we have enough money to have massive food storage? Food storage that could keep the human race alive for years while we figure things out. 100% agree. Obviously, we have seats, like almost the no- That's great, but if there's no sunlight...

Correct. But we've done things like we have a library of seats. Yeah. Okay. Not huge. We need a library of non-perishable foods. Totally. Somewhere underground. Again, as I said, we have only food for so many weeks produced around the world. Japan right now has, like in the same way in the United States, obviously, we have the reserves of fuel, right?

We have gas reserves in case something happens, and then the governments and the presidents use that reserve. In Japan, they have rice reserves. And those rice reserves, they are not barely ever touched. They're there because in case something happens, the government wants to have the possibility to. Japan has been releasing those rice reserves for different reasons, because it's been the harvest of rice that's not been as good as they were supposed to, it's a shortage of rice, the prices are going up, so it's a whole bunch of things. So they release those rice reserves and they're able

to control the price. But here it's more than controlling the price, because inflation and other issues. This is because the rise has not been flowing through the market in the ways the Japanese society is used to. So it's only food for thought. China has 7% of the farm land, but has 15% of the world population. We need to make sure that 7% of the farmland, but they have to feed 15% of the world population.

When you see that China is very interested in buying land in Africa, in America, that they help ports in many countries in Africa, well, if you are the leader of China and you wanna feed your people, what will you do to make sure that you don't only produce at home, but if you cannot produce enough at home, even every country should do more to be

a better food producer on the land we have. America has done well on that front. But China is smart, they're investing overseas. Why? Because they need to make sure that they keep feeding their population. It's a smart thing to do, especially in a regime that we could argue is non-democratic regime

and is authoritarian. Right. Even every time I've been to China, my God, I can never wait to go back. I think it's a beautiful country to visit. It's a country that, as a tourist, I don't know, it's an amazing place to visit. I cannot wait to go back because I think it's a very cool place. Good food, ancient civilization, great culture, great learning.

But going back to food, food is one guy called Briad Savoran 1826 a Guy that died that year the year after I I own a first edition of this book I bought it when I was very young I had to work like like three three months used to save the money to buy that book I collect all what's the book called? Three months, used to save the money to buy that book. I collect all... What's the book called? The Physiology of Taste, Le Physiologie du Gout, and Tell me Briat Sabaran.

He's the guy that said, tell me what you eat, and I will tell you who you are. And this is a book from 18 what? 26. When was the printing press created? I don't get this a handwritten book. No, no, that's a printing. No, no, that's pretty impressed. Yes Brianna and I own a first edition Wow That's one of the later. This is a much later Version in the end dental gastronomy. What what language is yours in French?

Wow, and I have the first one printed in Spanish that was not printed in Spain, but in Mexico City. Oh, wow. And he said, tell me what you eat, and I'll tell you who you are. But he said something more important. He said, Le destiner du nation dependera de la manière et de sa nourriture. My French is not very good, but more or less. The destiny of the nations will depend on how they feed themselves. Wow. Right.

And America's destiny is fat people. Fat people eat and process food. Well, I think if we are not careful, it's the destiny of the world. Right. If we're not careful. But take a look at now. Come on. You go to the gas station. I remember when I was young and I went to the gas station,

the gas station had a little restaurant. There was not even a restaurant. It was like a diner. But for me, it was like a high-end restaurant. Once every two months or three months, my father would take us there. The restaurant in the gas station. And I thought it was great.

Like, are we going to a restaurant? This is the days that we always cook home. We never went to restaurants. But I'm only saying this because when we went to the gas station, to go to the restaurant happens was next to the gas station. But when my father went in to pay for the gas, he paid for the gas and that's it. Was nothing else there.

Just was the place to pay for the gas. And happens the restaurant was there. That was the only food. Go now to the gas station. Oh my God. You live with 25,000 calories, so you are feeding your car and in the process you are the cheery and the M&Ms and the sneakers and the oh my God, it's like the gas station now is, I'm telling you, those gas stations are owned by those aliens that are to make

sure we are really, really overweight so one day they harvest us and they take us to their planets. I do believe the gas stations of the world are, they belong to the alien species is trying to make us all fat. But put that. So yeah, why are we so overweight? Because I used to walk to go to school. Walk. Walk for an hour. One hour to go, one hour to come back. My father work in the morning, my mom work at night. We had one car, but for me, I could do it in 20 minutes.

It took me an hour because my life was walking through cherry trees and the forest and the farms. But I would go walking. It's not like my father. It's not like I'm going in uber Oh, I will be walking right and come back walking and and and life has changed I'm going to the train walking and then from the train to The subway I had to take a train on the subway and then from the subway I had to walk. It's other times now life is very easy. You have calories everywhere, calories everywhere. You wake up in the morning and you open your eyes and you are already calories. And that's one of the problems and that's why we are all fighting against those calories

that are not making us any healthier. Yeah, it's not calories. It's the type of calories. It's processed food that you can keep on the shelf forever. Because food's not supposed to be able to sit on the shelf like that forever. And the kind of food that can is not healthy for you. That's why it doesn't rot. It doesn't rot because it's not alive.

But eating too much of anything. I could argue with you that it's a big conversation and I'm not gonna I'm gonna come here you're actually I'm gonna Disagree with myself because I can agree with myself Because we can have the same conversation and use the conversation from two different points of view It's been obviously the very easy Attack to the fast food attack to the fast food industry, to the junk food industry, to call it whatever, on the pandemic and the obesity, to the soda industry.

And again, I'm not going to be the one here now becoming the Robin Hood defending them. But at the same time, they are not the only ones part of the problem either. Look at me, I'm overweight. I promise you by the end of this year 2025, I'm going to get close to 210 pounds and I'm never going to move from there. I've been fighting. I used to be 280. During that, I was able to bring it down already to 215th. I went up. Right now I'm in 2 45. But I'm going to bring it down to 2 10 and I'm never, never going back because I own it to myself, to my wife, to my children. I own it because in a way as chef, we are also an example.

And I'm not going back. I'm not overweight because young food. I'm not overweight because young food. I'm not overweight because fast food. I'm not overweight because sodas. I'm overweight because I eat too much. Because the food I eat is very good food. You can get fat on carrots and gazpacho too. Sure.

So, we live this conundrum, right? We have people that are poor right now that used not to happen, and if you were poor, you were skinny, and maybe you were hungry. And now we are in this situation that you have people that are poor, and it's difficult to explain, and some seems that they're overweight. Because though the food they are able to buy is very cheap, because it's all this junk food you say, and that's part of the problem and they are not only overweight but unhealthy because the bad calorie bad quality food because no nutrients

They cannot afford anything else and sometimes it's not only about affording is because they don't have access to anything Yeah, and there goes again about one of the big conversations Food is a superpower. And it's a superpower the governments need to use for the betterment of the lives of their citizens. And goes beyond putting food on the plate. Goes beyond making sure that when I tell every American when I speak in every state, red or blue, urban areas or rural areas, every time I say every American children deserves to be fed and no American family

should be poor and hungry ever again, everybody claps. This is the truth that brings everybody together. Yes. Everybody claps. This is the truth that brings everybody together. Yes. And you could argue why we have people who are poor or hungry, and then we talk, okay, and what is the role of government making sure that we don't have poor or hungry? If we have a government, I would say in part is to make sure that we take care of the less privileged and the poor and the hungry and the ones that lose their jobs and the

veterans that come back home and they are... I think we need to have government for that. And government should do a better job in making sure that every children in America is fed and making sure that it's not throwing money at the problem but invest it in solutions. Let me give you an example. I was 23. A charity called This Is Central Kitchen, founded by a guy called Robert Egger, a barman, crazy guy. You need to invite him to this show if I can recommend you people that will give you amazing

conversation about these issues. He saw that food waste was wrong. But everybody was, he was talking about food waste before anybody was talking about food waste. On President Bush inauguration day, he got a truck. And he went to every hotel that they had these huge quantities of food on the parties after the inauguration that nobody touched. And he got them in the truck, brought them to a central kitchen, that nobody touched. And he got them in the truck, brought them to a central kitchen, repackaged everything, and began feeding the homeless in DC.

30 plus years later, that organization is doing 15,000, 20,000 meals a day. But it's not about feeding. It's an organization that began bringing homeless into their kitchen, ex-convicts into their kitchen. People couldn't find a job because they were in jail. Those convicts, those homeless, all of the sudden, they were receiving dignity, the dignity that society for some reason was not giving them.

American-born citizens that were not receiving the same opportunity to belong as these young immigrants called José Andrés that came from overseas and very often I got many doors open. People that for whatever reason in life fall behind. The kitchen gave them a place to belong. And in the process they began learning how to cook. The organization, this is Andra Kitchen, was teaching them how to cook. In the process they were making the meals with that leftover unused food that they will produce and then the organization will feed the local homeless. In the process CEOs and volunteers from around America

will come to join forces volunteering next to those ex-combits and those homeless, that they were not combits or homeless anymore. And in the process, food was becoming a place of building longer tables. So the $1 to feed one homeless was also the $1 to give hope, was the one dollar to give training, was the one dollar to rescue food, was the one dollar that those men and women when they graduated, restaurants like me will hire them. So one dollar for human resources. All of a sudden was not one dollar thrown at the problem.

We feed the poor and forever we'll have to spend the dollar to feed the poor. But no, it was one dollar to build up the entire economy of a city in the process of taking care of the most vulnerable. Robert Egger told me that philanthropy seems it's always about the redemption of the giver, when actually that's the wrong approach. Philanthropy always must be about the liberation of the receiver. When you tell me what the role of our government should be, our government should be here to make sure that they invest in their citizens. And food is a good place for our government to be investing in our citizens.

And it's also, it's looking at the long game too, because the rising tide lifts all boats. The more people contribute to society, the stronger the economy is. Even though it would cost money, it would bring in more money. You would have less crime, you would have less poverty, you would have less everything, you'd have less need,

you would have less have-nots and more haves, everything would be better. Snaps. Yeah. It's a big conversation right now. Yeah. Snaps, which is what people call as food stamps. Snaps is a temporary, can be a day, a month, a year, for families that fall behind, that the government give you that foot dollar, that dollar assistance for foot.

And it's been very controversial. And it's politics around it. That's the way Democrats won, that's the way Republicans won. But everybody forgets really about the right talk, which is, what is the right policy? How do we, if somebody complains, oh, FoodSams has not fulfilled its promise, it's like, OK, but let's not fight about cutting it down.

Let's fight about how to make it better. And let's make sure how those dollars, in the process of feeding American families, in blue and red states equally, that helps those families that fall behind to be able to put food in the table, are able to do it with the dignity they deserve. What happened? That because I said before the government doesn't see food as a whole, and usually

everything is handled through the Department of Agriculture, which it's OK, but it's not the right way. What happens is that when a family in a poor suburban area in any city in America receives the food stamps money, in the place they live is so poor that they don't even have a market. Because their neighborhood is so poor that nobody wants to open a market. So even those poor families, they have to go to another neighborhood to spend those dollars, even when they have no transportation sometimes, because they don't own a car or they don't have public transportation.

So they don't have easy car or they don't have public transportation. So they don't have easy access even to that food. So imagine if all of a sudden the government, yes, they help the people through the food stamps, but also in the process, urban housing development is able to help building a market that is run by the city, is run by the state where the local farmers can come. In a way, you are subsidizing that business because no other private business wants to

do it. But somebody has to be taking care of that shortfall. And all of a sudden, we build there a market. All of a sudden, that family has the dignity to be able to shop in their neighborhood where that shop actually hired local people, that all of a sudden they are employed in the neighborhood, and that neighborhood stops being poor no longer. And all of a sudden that one dollar, as the example I gave you of this is Central Kitchen,

is not only the dollar that the government throws money at the problem, I'm going to feed you today, but that dollar of the government, if the government is smart and works as a whole, creates local employment in the same poor neighborhood, gives dignity to that neighborhood because all of a sudden it's a little bodega, a little market. All of a sudden that place comes back to life. That's a wonderful idea. Is there an example of a government in this world that's doing that? It's it's working places in the world that you know local places

It's important that in America we have something we call the food deserts. Yeah In Spain the country no more we have our own share of problems, too Spain, the country no more, we have our own share of problems too. It's never the perfect city, the perfect state of the perfect country because if one place is perfect, please call us right now. Call us to joerogen.com and tell us the place and Joe Rogan and I will move there tomorrow. But Spain, I grew up in public markets. Public markets that were available everywhere. Public markets that were public markets,

with the smallest stalls that local business owners could have their little chicken place, or the local farmer could have a place he could afford and be not only a farmer, but a local businessman by selling his product. Right, here we have farmers markets. Farmers markets, which are great, but it's very difficult to see them in the forgotten, sometimes voiceless, places in America. In a lot of suburban areas, in a lot of rural areas that sometimes they're totally

forgotten. And food could be a great way to make sure that they are not forgotten. Every school in America should have a kitchen with good cooks, that they are well trained, that they are well paid. Investing money in the infrastructure to build those kitchens. Buying from the local farmers who

run in those rural schools. In the process, $1 to feed the children, but one dollar to invest in infrastructure, one dollar to buy food from the local farmers, one dollar to pay for the local cooks that work in that little rural community. All of the sudden in the process of feeding better quality food to our children, food that is fresh and made from scratch and that when you can is local, that one dollar to feed the children is also one dollar that indirectly through the investment of the federal government invest in the economy of that forgotten poor rural community.

That's why those are examples of who food can be making our system better. Yeah, absolutely. France invests a lot of money in feeding the children. Spain invests money in feeding the children. But America, I know we can do much better, especially because what you mentioned before. We have issues with obesity. We have issues with hunger at the same time.

And the government has to play a bigger role in how to be solving those issues that to me they are no problems but opportunities. Yeah. No, I agree. I think one thing that this administration is doing well under Bobby Kedeney is that he's trying to educate people on what is healthy food and what are the problems. And one of the ways you start is by eliminating harmful ingredients that are banned in other

countries and that we use everywhere in this country. And to slowly but surely make people aware of these problems and make people aware of what these foods are doing to the overall metabolic health of these people and why we have these crises, why we have these crises of obesity and diabetes, type 2 diabetes, which is food caused and environmental issues that people have because of pesticides and herbicides and to slowly clean that up so it's a good step in the right direction. I think one of the things that you do that's really beautiful is when there's crises in the world, you go there and you cook.

I know that you were doing that during the Ukraine War and I know you did a lot of that in Gaza. I think that's very beautiful. That's an amazing thing that you do. You don't have a lot of time. You're a busy guy. No, I have nothing to do. My day is dedicated to Joe Rogan. No, I mean normally. You're very busy.

So for you to do that, that's an amazing thing that you do. Well, I got you there a book that tells a little bit of what we do. Cigars. We need a lot more to open. Before we get into this, I want to mention something about Secretary Kennedy. Okay. Before we get into this, I want to mention something about Secretary Kennedy. And about why politics is bad, but policy is good. Because good policy is good politics. I don't agree with everything Secretary Kennedy is doing, vaccines.

My mom was a nurse, my father my family doctor. But I'm not going to get into that. Everybody is entitled to their opinions and obviously, truth hopefully will always prevail and the best decisions will be made. But I 100% support what Secretary Kennedy is trying to do. 100%, 110%. Secretary Kennedy and one more person joining your willingness to make America healthy. But then this is a conversation I want to be having. It's not

like first time we heard before from Republicans saying, why the government has to decide why we eat? And in a way, Secretary Kennedy is doing that too. So I 100% agree that sometimes government has to intervene. And that's where policy that is bipartisan in these issues is what I believe food can be bringing both parties together. Because I'm going to say everybody in America needs to be supporting whatever initiative Secretary Kennedy has in the next four years to feed America better, to have America feed

it, to make sure every children is fed with more fresh fruits and vegetables, with less young food, and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm only going to go back then to President Obama, and I'm going to be talking about Michelle Obama. She creates a movement called Let's Move, and very much is aligned with a lot of the things Secretary Kennedy was doing. And the conversation by then, you know, was why is the first lady having to tell me if I need to eat spinach or hot dogs? Who is she? And the only thing she was trying to do is exactly what Secretary Kennedy is doing now. So what I'm only saying is, let's put politics aside on those issues

that is about every single American. Yes. And let's agree once and for all in the things that actually both parties always should be supporting each other. I used to wish that Secretary Kennedy, back then, would be one voice next to Michelle Obama in trying to do fresh

fruits and vegetables in schools and children and American families. And so the same people that supported Michelle Obama initiatives back in the day, I want them to be supporting now Secretary Kerry. But also Secretary Kennedy needs to promise me that if one day he's not in power and another party come, another president come, that should be always the same. That's a mother who is in power. America should be eating better. America should be healthier.

America's children should be producing the best quality of food because we are the richest country in the history of mankind. America exports more food than any country in the world. America should be feeding every children, every family, with the best possible food we have on planet Earth. Therefore, everybody should be joining that movement. But again, let's put them politics on the side. And let's make sure that we come up with smarter policies that will allow not only Secretary Kennedy and this administration, but every administration

in the years to come with bipartisan support in the right way to feed America with the right food that makes us healthier and that makes us stronger. And where food is part of the solution. I think we all agree. I think the issue was with Michelle Obama was back in 2008 I don't think people were as aware of the consequences of food choices I don't think they realized how many metabolic health issues I think some people did but I think because of podcasts and because of documentaries and because of a lot of discussions and articles that have been written on the

issues that people have with food and the additives in food and preservatives and the real problems that people have in not exercising. I think people just weren't as aware. I think one of the good things about the internet is that it has exposed people to a lot more voices of people that are living lives that are more interesting to follow in terms of their health choices and whether or not they're... what do you got there? Keep going, keep going. I don't want these two distractors. Well, it's okay. It's already done that.

Pulling out bricks. What do you got there? You got food? I just don't think it's a... it's certainly, I agree with you, it's not a, it should be an issue that has nothing to do with politics. It should just be about the care of people. So it's just good at solid advice. So let's agree on that everybody. We need to agree that what Michelle Obama was trying to do was the right thing. For sure. I remember she brought over thousand chefs to the lounge in the White House. Oh, really?

In the first weeks of her administration, or months, with no agenda, only telling everybody to make America a country where every children can eat and every children in every public school across America can eat better. We need the help of everybody. Yeah, and anybody who's against that, that's an anti-American thing. Correct. Yeah, you should be 100% for that. All of us.

All of us. What's in that tube? What do you got there? This is some cream. Cream? Yeah, some creme fraiche. Oh, creme fraiche. My guys put me there some caviar.

Great. You brought caviar? I had to. I like to do it. I'm on a diet, man. And my guys didn't put me. I told them, I'm coming to your to. I like caviar. I'm on a diet, man. And my guys didn't put me. I told them, I'm coming to your rogues. I don't know.

Guys, and if you can hear me outside, they hear me outside? Yeah, they do. Carlos, are you there? Bring me some ham and bring me a spoon, man. Do you need a knife? No, don't worry. I'll figure out.

I have a knife. We'll figure it out. I have a bunch of knives. So I know now we're talking about feeding the poor and feeding the hungry and now we're gonna be having caviar, but that only shows you the complexities of life itself. And that's what it is. Here we go, plates.

This guy's got a suit. Hombre, Carlos, no, put it in front of him. Wow, thank you. Enjoy, sir. Thank you very much. Dame un cuchillo. We got ham here here ladies and gentlemen. Sorry to all the vegans.

We're eating creme fraiche caviar and ham. No, but just for the record. I mean, ham is for vegans. They only eat egg cores. You know why this ham is so good? Why? That's the beauty about food, man. Every dish...

Shut those doors. Oh, he's coming back. Every dish... Every dish has Shut those doors. Oh, he's coming back. Every dish. Every dish has a story. Every ingredient has a tale. Every ingredient. So, ham is for vegans.

How? I don't understand what you're saying. Well, I mean, if the pork and the cattle eats grass, technically they're vegetarian too. So, vegetarians should be eating vegetarians. I think you're missing the message. Okay. Their message is that animals suffer. I know this story sounds very strange, but I think here in your podcast we hear people with even more, more strange stories. I think this one is as good as any story. If the pork eats acorns, therefore the pork is vegetarian.

Right. Therefore, a vegetarian should eat the vegetarian. Let me use that logic on you. No, you're very smart. I think you'll be right. If someone is a vegan, that means you can eat them. That's what you're saying. There we go.

No, no, I can't say that. Well. Oh my God. Do you know I helped to the script writers and the director of a series on NBC called Hannibal many years ago? Was it about- Hannibal Lecter. Yeah. When he was young.

Oh, okay. I was helping them with the menus, the food, the scripts, the crazy conversations. Why was he a chef? No, but he loved, remember he was a good man. I found five beans And so this was the early years of Honey but lecture before he was caught got it when he was The story happens in Baltimore and he's this mm-hmm. So amazing fascinating And anyway, I don't know I'm telling you this but that was amazing that was a lot of meat on that movie

Yeah, he ate people too. That's yeah kind of goes with my argument. I don't think vegans are gonna agree with you That's all I'm saying. Yeah, and that happens, but I the good thing is I have a vegetarian cookbook Do you vegetables and leash? Okay. I love vegetables. Well vegetarians should really eat eggs, you know I mean vegans should eat eggs, too Especially if you have your own chickens, it's like karma free food Jamie come get some caviar and creme fraiche brother We feed everybody. There we go. Get in there Jamie. You eat that right? I'm sorry. Some people are very squeamish on certain types of foods. So where we were we're food We are eating food.

What is your favorite food to cook? Do you have a favorite food to cook? Oh my God. Okay, in this book, it's not like I'm selling the book. I'm talking about Sam. We did okay. In Change the Recipe, those are stories for my daughters. Oh my God, Sam is so good.

You know, I think everybody has to write their stories. I have so many stories of my dad and my mom, photos, moments, and now I have questions of what happened, but nobody is there to answer them anymore. So this book was a little bit that, few little stories. I had some time during the summer, and the publisher thought, yeah, write those stories and we'll publish them.

I was like, okay. But they had to put some recipes. One of the recipes I did during the pandemic. In the pandemic, I was cooking with my daughters. If I was not feeding people around the state, so in India or in Spain, I would be home. And they would be studying when everybody was online. And then late at night, 7, 8, we'll cook.

We'll put one song. And we'll all start cooking and dancing at the rhythm of the song. And I will be making a dish with them. One day, I had to make eggs very quickly. Daddy, we only have three minutes. I have a meeting, I have a meeting. I have this, I have that. All like, okay, okay. I get the eggs, I get mayo, I mix one egg with one big spoon of mayo, mayonnaise, I whisk, I put it in a shallow kind of crystal plate, a little bit of fat, I put oil

and butter, I think a little bit. I put that egg mix of mayo and egg, I put it in the microwave 30-40 seconds. Oh my god, Joe. The best omelet in the history of mankind. Really? Microwave omelet was the best omelet in the history of mankind. I mean, listen, in Spain we say I don't have a grandmother anymore. My grandmother is dead. You know when you are the one that you give, you say how good you are yourself, you say you don't have a grandma.

It was so good. Fluffy. Egg on egg. Egg on oil. Together. Right. That emulsion of mayo and egg that has so much air was like putting a lot of air inside the egg itself. Oh my God, try it. It's the quickest omelet anybody can

be. And then you can top it with caviar, you can top it with mushrooms, with smoked salmon, or sauteed spinach. Delicious. But what is your favorite thing to cook? Do you have a favorite thing to cook, or do you just like cooking everything? I? Like the big pot a big pot. I like to cook like paella Yeah, I Love paella like paella on an open fire. Oh, yeah, like a big cast-iron pot When I was young my father

My father was a cook at heart, but he was a nurse. But when he was not at the hospital, he would be cooking for friends on the weekends. My mom was more Monday through Friday. My father was more the weekend cook. And the paella is something he will invite 10, 20, 30, 40 people. He had different sizes. My father will invite 10, 20, 30, 40 people. He had different sizes. My father will invite everybody, but he will never keep count of whom.

10 could show up, or 30. My mom always was like, but how do we prepare? My dad said, big problems have easy solutions, simple solutions. If more people come, we have more rise to the pen. But he always brought extra pens, because he never knew the size. He put me in charge of making the fire. He would send me to the forest, I'll gather the wood, I'll make the fire. He'd put the pie on top, three rocks. One day I got very upset because I wanted to cook. I knew

how to do the fire. I was tired of the fire. I wanted to cook the paella. But the fire required somebody dedicated. My father got upset with me because I was very persistent, sent me away. He cooked without me. When he came back, when I came back and everybody ate, he told me, my son, everybody wants to do the cooking. Everybody wants to stir the pot. Nobody seems to be interested in making the fire. Actually making the fire is the most important thing. Control the fire.

And then you can do any cooking you want. I don't know if my father's words were as deep as now, many years later, I made them to become in my brain. But I think my father was trying to tell me that. That obviously was a great, the red lesson for a young cook in the making. But I think my father, in a way, that was a great metaphor for life itself.

Find your fire, control your fire, master it. And then, my friend, go and do the cooking. When you set up Bizarre Meats in Vegas, what made you decide to cook over open fire that way with hardwood? The way you, which I really love those grill works grills with the Argentine style grills with the wheel you raise and lower the grill over the natural wood fire. Yeah I love that I've seen that since I was a little boy. You know... How good is that ham, Jamie? Prometheus... Oh wow.

Pretty damn good, right? Have you eaten at that place before? Yeah, we ate there, right? How good is that place? The ham there is this ham. Prometheus, one of the titans, Prometheus gave... In a way they would say that man was created from clay.

Mm-hmm. And Prometheus gave also man the control of fire. Right. That was the gift from Prometheus. So we come from clay and we control the fire. Nothing for me as a young boy was more fascinating than seeing the very big clay pots on open fires. The paella my father made with this very big metal,

metal paella pan, but we will have also our terracotta. If you come to my house right now, I have terracotta pots everywhere. I also have the biggest grill wall that any human can have in their private home. Do we have a photo of that? Of your grill wall? Do we have a grill wall there somewhere?

of that? Of your grill wall? Do I have a grill wall there somewhere? But me cooking with fire, with vines, orange tree, making the fire, in the countryside, with the terracotta that you put the water and you put the meats and you put the pork and you put the vegetables and you put the chickpeas and you boil it and you are doing what you do when you are in the forest or in the countryside. Do you like the big pots because you know you're going to serve a big party of people with it so it's like the communal aspect of it? It's like, it's the closest thing. If the man is the cook.

I have a grill like that at my house. But look, it's one, two, three, four. I have a fifth one. I have another one behind. I have a smoker from Texas behind. I got one of those too. Yeah. Yeah, I got a smoker.

I've got a pellet grill. I've got the Grill Works grill, and I've got an infrared grill. And those two at the end, they are from Spain, they are amazing. They are also amazing. So I like that. I like that moment. You know when I like to do that?

I don't even have it covered yet, but even when it is snowing, I love to do that. It's nothing more amazing than having an open fire with the snow falling down and you cooking there. It's just fascinating. I think it's very primal. It's like being in the cave. Yeah, well, I think there's something, I think human beings have been cooking over fire for so long that there's something incredibly comforting about cooking over fire. Very satisfying, rewarding. It's different than anything else. When you see the actual wood and you make

the fire yourself, so you start it from the very beginning. Little tiny pieces of cut wood, you know, the little kindling and you lay the sticks over it and you get that going and then you lay larger and larger pieces of wood over it, then you get a roaring fire and break it down to coals, and then you start to sizzle the salted meat over the coals and... You know, at the beginning, when I came to America, I didn't understand smoking. Because, you know, the first smoking I had,

smoked foods I had was in New York, probably were not good places, and it took me time until I came into the smoked meats culture of America. Right, Texas. Oh my God. Barbecue. Here was huge for me.

Oh baby. It's so many places. Obviously I came, one of the first places I came was Franklin's. Franklin's is incredible. And listen, all the time, the hours, the precise temperature, yeah, the juiciness of that piece of meat in contact with your tongue. Before it is in your tongue, obviously you cannot get barbec barbecue with fork and knife. Fork and knife, people, they were created for you

to protect your food from others. The fork and knife was not created for you to use it. You cannot eat barbecue with fork and knife. You cannot! But has many reasons why. You get a fork, and you're getting no information. You're seeing the color or the usiness, maybe the smell in the distance. But when you start using your fingers, the moment your fingers get in touch with that piece of meat, already the meat is talking to you directly.

Like if it's an alien form telling you, hey baby, here I am. And you know the temperature and you know the juiciness and you know the fatness. And as you are grabbing it with your two fingers already, it's so many things happening in the process of you bringing your two fingers with a piece of barbecue into your mouth. Already your mouth is salivating. Already your tongue is activated. Already your stomach is flowing with uses. Already your brain, your eyes, everything is just pure joy. Use the very simple thing of using your two fingers to grab the piece of barbecue.

That moment itself, even if you don't eat it, you can make a movie out of that simple, humble moment of grabbing the piece of barbecue with your two fingers. I love to eat with my hands. Clearly. Sushi, I eat with my hands. Oh yeah, you got to. I love ribs. Ribs you have to eat with your hands. There's no other way you're holding on to a big beef rib

You have you ever seen the beef ribs at Terry Black's? Terry Black's have beef ribs. They look like they came from a prehistoric animal big massive Juicy beef ribs that take a day to cook and you just sink your teeth into it. It's like oh So moist Delicious And so huge you can't even I don't know how anybody could eat a whole one Hard you get three or four bites in you like stop. I can't

Just so fatty and juicy So before obviously I came I came to the United States, you know, baby lamb, baby pig. In Spain we love babies. The baby lambs. Suckling pigs. The suckling pigs. I was watching a documentary today on this restaurant in Spain that's known for suckling pigs and they were cooking it all over open flames. That takes two hours and that being only water, only salt, and the little animal.

It's unbelievable. It's to die for. You know, a happy day for me. I remember Remember coming so I was in the Spanish Navy first time I come America. I was cooking for the Admiral and I'm like really I Was a young cook already? Talented I won a little championship here and they are already working some high-end restaurants in Spain Mandatories military service, but for me the military service changed my life in so many good ways service to your nation, service to your country, be part of a group of people with a very clear mission working as one but anyway I cook for the admiral, I tell him really?

I'm having the best life, he has two, three daughters. I have my own apartment. I'm only cooking for the family. They are treating me like a son. Life was good. But I wanted to go on a boat. Not on any boat. In the training ship of the Spanish Navy. The training ship for the midshipmen.

A sailing ship, a tall ship. The Juan Sebastián Delcano. Technically Magellan was the guy that began the circumnavigation on the world, but he died. And the guy that finished the circumnavigation was Juan Sebastián Delcano. The boat was called in his name. Beautiful boat.

Four mast, white, if you could find a photo it would be amazing if people could see it. Three hundred. Now is woman that go in the old days three hundred men. Now actually the princess, future queen of Spain is on this boat right now on the train trip. First time I leave Europe. First time I visit Canary Islands. First time I visit Africa, Ivory Coast, Abidyan. First time I visit Brazil, Rio de Janeiro. My first caipirinha, my first papaya. First time I

visit Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo. First time I arrived to Florida, United States, Pensacola. The city of the five flags. Hello, one of the five flags. The Spanish Castilian flag. Hello, offshore I belong here. Yeah.

I already was in love with America since I was a little boy. The NBA, the Westerns, the history of America, the Civil War, I was fascinated little boy. The NBA, the Westerns, the history of America, the Civil War, I was fascinated with America. There is first time I had soft shell crops in my life. Those are the moments that every time you, I remember when my father brought the first Kiwi home. I was a little boy and my mom was so upset

because he paid like 4% of his monthly salary to buy 5 kiwis and my wife. But my father was like, I guess that's why I became so crazy. For me, finding a new product is like the happiest moment of my life. Soft shell crab for me was like, holy cow, soft shell crabs are amazing. A whole crab that you can eat like a seal that is soft. Oh my God, those moments I remember like was yesterday. But one of the most beautiful things is, I moved to New York in the next segment of the trip, and I remember coming under the Burrisano Bridge,

Lady Liberty, Ellis Island. I'm an immigrant. Even I'm not an immigrant, I'm just a soldier, a Navy guy visiting America. I became an immigrant later. And that night I'm watching the American flag before we go to shore And I'm looking at the stars same stars we were talking before I'm looking at American flag I'm looking at the stars the dark blue color the white stars and Me I'm like, holy cow America is amazing. Look at they put in their flag The same blue sky at night Where you imagine that you can be free, that everything is possible, that you are welcome, that if you were hard, you can belong.

I look like a fool when I realize a few weeks later or whatever that the American flag stars actually were the states Okay. Yeah, I had no clue that the stars were the states to this day. I think my story is much more beautiful That is much more beautiful than the states But anyway, I wanted to share that story with you because when we dock Around 30th Street on Manhattan, 30 years later, so I finished the military service, I came back to America, I moved to New York, then I came to Washington, but 30 years later, I opened Mercado Little Spain, which was bringing a bigger piece of Spain

to New York, to Manhattan, 200 meters away from the same place I arrived in New York for the first time 30 years before. Wow. And when they tell me about the American dream, I want to share the message that if anything the American dream is more alive than ever before. With that doesn't mean that we live in a perfect place in a cocoon where everything is perfect. Actually no, the American dream is realizing that actually we need to work harder for the things we want, for ourselves and from everybody else around us.

That the American Dream is recognized that we are a beautiful place, created through centuries by so many different people that contributed so much. That people like me, I'm right now so proud and so happy and so thankful overall for being given the opportunity to come to this country, to belong as an immigrant, first with an E2 visa, then with a green card, and then becoming an American citizen with three beautiful American daughters. Much of what I am, I live 70% and 90% of my other life in this country. I know where I come from. I love Spain.

Everybody knows it. But also I know where I belong, and everybody knows how much I love this country. And now go back into my first arrival as a sailor, my comeback as an immigrant, and the last 30 plus years, I want to remember that moment with the American flag and the beautiful night sky full of stars. Because it's still the American dream, I want to repeat myself.

It's here, but we all need to do better to work towards that dream, where we do it sharing longer tables, where we do it with dignity to others, especially to the voiceless, especially to the poor, and that together we solve the problems that we face. The problems are opportunities for us to work together and that's what our politicians need to do more of. Well I think America is oftentimes truly appreciated by people who come here. The people that are here, it's almost like you're just too accustomed to it.

You feel entitled. There's a lot of Americans that have an entitled perspective about this country. Whereas most of my friends that come here from other places, Russell Crowe had a brilliant thing that he was saying about America. The last time he was here, said the rest of the world is counting on us because this is the place of freedom. This is the place of opportunity.

This is the place where anybody can come and make something out of themselves. And it's not the United States owes you. The people here, the people become entitled and they have this perspective. We get too used to the fact that we're here. If you lived in another part of the world you'd appreciate America. Whenever I travel, I love traveling, I love seeing other parts of the world, but I can't wait to come home. I love it here. I love it here specifically. It's just, it's a wonderful part of the world.

Austin is a very cool place. Austin is amazing. It's the perfect's a wonderful part of the world. Oh saying is a very cool place Austin is amazing. It's the perfect size city. I think I talk about it too much so it's people are moving here too much. I try to hedge my enthusiasm a little bit but I think it's uh cities can get too big and when when cities get too big people become a burden rather than your neighbors and your community. People become, you know, you have this diffusion of responsibility. There's too many people. It's not my problem. Too many people that are in the way. Too many people. Instead of this is my community. And Austin is not too big. People are friendly.

And they're nice. And there's a lot of art here. There's a lot of music. Now there's a lot of comedy. There's a lot of cool people here. A lot of food. So I love good podcasts too. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of there's a lot here. Many, many great podcasts come out of Austin now.

It's a lot changed. That was one of the good things about the pandemic, a bad thing happened and a lot of good results came out of it where people realized like they don't want to be places that have restrictive governments. And California had a very restrictive government and got a lot worse during the pandemic. But it's the same thing that we were talking about before about power and tyranny, absolute power. When you tell people what they can and can't do, you tell people they can't work, tell people they can't keep restaurants open. I mean, there was a restaurant apocalypse in California

70% of all the restaurants in Los Angeles went under 70% that's crazy. That's an insane number. Well, I don't know that number. I know that number is a number Yeah, there's a number official 70% restaurants are one of the hardest business to keep Right, which is why it's a huge percentage of restaurants closed in the first year. Right. It's like 50%, right? Even a bigger one.

I think it's 25%, something like that, the data on the first year or something like that. And only a very small percentage make it past five years. Yeah. Yeah, it's like 50% over three years or something, I think, was where I read. So restaurant businesses are tough It's very hard, right? Very hard. Very hard. You want to give people

Economical prices, but you have overhead you have staff you have this you've done everybody complains that you overcharged but then of course, but then We need to take care of the people and mm-hmm and employees Yeah Need to make a living. But we forget that the vast majority of the restaurants in America are owned by small business owners, who many of them are working as hard as they can to make the restaurant successful.

And we forget sometimes that, right? The business owner, in a way, is the employee too. Well, it's another thing. people feel entitled to good restaurants they don't appreciate the people that serve them you know they don't appreciate the people that cook and the people that you know provide this experience where you can go to a nice place and you have wonderful atmosphere and great service you can really enjoy a meal and enjoy someone's art, which is really what it is. Antonio Bourdain, that we mentioned before, obviously was a big spokesperson for all the

restaurants, especially the immigrants, especially the people in farms. He loves street food. More than everybody. Yeah, that was his favorite thing. More than anybody you know. More than anybody. But these that's a strange thing. More than anybody you know. Yeah. More than anybody. But these are the complexities we live. Listen, sometimes it feels,

and we saw it during the pandemic, that the people that feed America, the people that feed the world, sometimes it seems, and it's real very often, that they cannot feed themselves. Farmers in California, farmers in Florida, people working there the farms picking up all crowd strawberries for you and I to enjoy and they seem that they cannot feed themselves because how little they make and that's the conundrum that we need to be

Changing in the foot. It's a lack of understanding of the effort that's involved in feeding us we're just accustomed to be able to go to the supermarket this wealth of abundance, you know, you know, it's almost a It's a It's just a lack of perspective lack of understanding of the effort that's involved feeding all these people and a lack of perspective, lack of understanding of the effort that's involved feeding all these people and a lack of appreciation and real gratitude, gratitude towards these restaurants and these farms and these people that work so hard. It takes a village to feed the world.

To feed the American to feed the world, it takes a village to feed the world. To feed the American, to feed the world, it takes a village. It's a lot of people. From the fishmongers. Listen, in Washington DC, I've been very lucky to be surrounded by Virginia and Maryland. Is that where you live most of the time? Bethesda. I'm a Marylander with an accent. Why did you choose that area?

I think the area chose me. I mean, it was a great school that my wife wanted to. Obviously, I moved to Washington, D.C., in 1993. But you have restaurants all over the place. So how do you divide your time? Yeah, Vegas, Chicago, Miami. You know, between restaurants, life, books, trips, TV, the new TV show. I have an NBC with Martha Stewart, Monday nights at 10 o'clock after The Voice. My work, my humanitarian work with World Central Kitchen. You know, policy work, which I will not say I work on policy, it's only like when I feel I can become one more voice to push smart policy on behalf of all Americans. I used to try to be a voice that brings politicians of both parties closer

together to move forward something like I believe makes every single American better. And that's how I try to divide my time like all of us. For me coming here was like the highlight because number one, you know, it's like, shit, will he buy me if I ask? At the same time, it's like looks pretentious that you ask. But again, for me, just coming here and get to be with you one on one, yeah, it was kind of in my bucket list of, I don't know, listening to you, I don't know if it's your voice, your looks, the easy conversation with no script.

I mean, you keep asking questions and you have nothing in front of you. And I don't know how you keep every single time. I've been doing this forever. I know, but you have super human brain powers. No, no. I just only have on people that I'm actually interested in talking to that's the secret that's it I see it's very hard to talk to people You're not interested in talking to if that was the case if I was hired by some network I would have to have notes. I'd have to ask you about some shit that I don't give a fuck about

I'd have to talk to you about some nonsense that you're doing that I don't care about and I have to feign interest But and it wouldn't be successful and have to feign interest, and it wouldn't be successful. The only reason this podcast works is genuine curiosity and an interest in the way people view the world. And I think we got that out of you today. We all got a very beautiful view into the mind of a guy who really loves food and really loves people and lives life with passion.

And anytime people get a chance to hear a person like you talk and, and see the world through your perspective, you know, it's an inspirational, inspires people. It excites people. But that's all the people out there, Joe. Yeah. I, I, you know, in the last 15 years, especially in the last seven, eight after Maria, I've been very much in every single hurricane and every single big earthquake, big tornado. You go and feed people. Obviously, I've been in Ukraine. I was there what almost 160, 170 days. In the

first year I was there like what 90 days or something like that of my life. I crossed into Ukraine within... I was in Poland within 24 hours and I was in Ukraine within a week. I arrived Kiev when still the Russian troops were in the north of the city, Bucza, Irpin. I remember with Wallstreet Dragich and we were the first NGO used to arrive to Buccia, it'd been feeding people. We never stopped. We reached half a million meals a day in Ukraine. Wow. Very quickly. 500 restaurants. That all the money we had from donations

from people in America that they cannot be more given than people in Europe. And we channel that money through supporting the local restaurants. If they are available, I'm not going to open my own kitchen. The same dollar that is going to help feed the refugees or the displaced people is the same dollar that can help maintain the local economy. Nobody is getting rich. But the restaurants want to help. The people want to help. That's what people don't understand in emergencies.

That everybody wants to be part of the solution. What World's End Drug Kitchen does is that it allows everybody to be part of the solution. In Asheville, there was no World's End Drug Kitchen helping feed, even with other organizations, feed the people of Asheville and the different parts in North Carolina and the couple of other states that were hit by the post effects of the hurricane. It was the people of Asheville that helped feed the people of Asheville. And we didn't got a helicopter because we wanted to be cool or another helicopter or

another one. There was no roads. It's because there was no roads. And the only way to arrive to the people was by helicopter. Like we did in Bahamas. We had six helicopters, two seaplanes, one boat with two helipads. Why we did it? Because there was no airports, because there was no control towers in the

north, there were 16 islands. Everything was destroyed and we had to feed 80,000 people. The only way to do it was that way. Asheville, North Carolina was exactly the same. The fires in California were exactly the same. How we did it, for example, in California, in Los Angeles, we are there trying to make sure the firefighters eat. Not like the system doesn't take care of the firefighters. It's in place. Somebody, some organization, some catering is on paper, getting paid to do it. But that's a business. In an emergency, you have to adapt because they're not going to let you go to the firefighters sometimes, because it's one guy on the road that is trying to protect you from.

But we have to go to them because those firefighters probably, they're gonna be fighting for 48 hours, nonstop, no break. You can see their eyes, how tired they are and still they keep going. And if they have a break, you have to be near them to make sure that in that moment they're able to be fed. Food they need, feed they want.

And that's what Wolsey & Draghičen does. But at the same time the people escape in the fires. And the same the people arrive into the shelters. That sometimes in the middle of the night you get 3,000 people arrive into a shelter because Altadena was destroyed and you have to be there with them So we got a lot of restaurants, but we got a lot of food trucks, too and the food trucks was great because the same way an ambulance is there on a call to bring somebody very quickly and After a heart attack and the hospital have an option to save their lives

We use food trucks like an ambulance. We use foot tracks like a fire track. We have them there. We have them park. We have many already feeding firefighters and shelters and people in their neighborhoods. But we have 10 or 20 tracks on wait. Why? Because every track is full of 1,000 or 2,000 miles. That means that at any moment, today, tomorrow, at 3 a.m. in the morning, if something happens, we can activate those food trucks within a minute. In less than one hour, they can be feeding anybody anywhere. So World Center Kitchen is not really an organization. It's a very simple idea. An idea of everybody's welcome.

We have the standards. We have the systems. We don't plan. We adapt. We don't sit down in a big room where everybody is just emailing. You cannot email a plate of food. You have to be with boots on the ground. That's the only emergency.

Emergency is when you are next to the people that require your aid. People in those moments need us next to them. And that's what Woll Central Kitchen does. That's why we are in Ukraine. That's why we are in Gaza. We are in Israel, as we speak, feeding people because there's big fires around Jerusalem.

We are in Lebanon. We are in Lebanon. We are in Myanmar. We are in Thailand after the big earthquake. Bolson Trac Kitchen is used by a group, obviously chefs, but it's so much more than that. Sometimes we use restaurants, sometimes we use catering. Sometimes we use food trucks. Sometimes we open our own kitchens.

Sometimes our own food trucks. Sometimes our own food trucks, sometimes we open our own kitchens, sometimes our own food trucks, sometimes our own bakeries like the one we have in Gaza that unfortunately stopped working yesterday because we ran out of flour. The situation in Gaza is really very bad. There's almost no food left. And people are going to go hungry. And it's a very simple solution. Unfortunately, those hostages, they deserve to be released. They should be free. What happened in October 7th is something like we can never forget. That's why World Central Kitchen was there in Israel on day one, with next to the Israeli chefs feeding all the people in the kibbutz. Why? Because that was the right thing to do. And I had people telling me, why are you there in Israel

when they are now the ones, because the people of Israel needed our help. At the same time, we were in Gaza. Why? Because the people of Gaza and Palestine needed our help. What is wrong with these two simple ideas? That when people are in need we all must be next to them And hopefully this be an opportunity of bringing peace and bringing longer tables Food can never be a weapon of war by anybody ever obviously what Hamas did is terrible and And can never happen again But we have also to make sure that the deeds

of the very few don't end punishing the many who are innocent. And that's what's going on right now. Yeah, it's a complicated complicated situation You know the Amazing moments were when I had Israeli friends that also they some of them even lost Friends or family members in the total seventh attack That because they some of them even had two passports that they say we love to go to help the people of Gaza to feed themselves like it's no way we're gonna be bringing you in there. And I had Palestinian woman that said, you know,

we feel for those people. I wish I was given the permission to go there to show them that we don't hate them. But sometimes what you read is only that this hate, people that hate each other, Maybe those are the few. The vast majority of the people are not hateful. Right. The vast majority of the people want peace.

The vast majority of the people don't want just to be all over the world. That's what I see in emergencies, even in the worst moments like war zones. I remember in Ukraine, this older woman in the North, in Kharkiv and in Chernihiv, a woman all that didn't speak Ukrainian, speak Russian, and she was like, they are our brothers, why are they killing us? They're our brothers. Why are our Russian brothers are bombing us? When an older person tells you that with that simple sincerity, speaking from the heart,

why are they attacking us? Why Russia is attacking Ukraine? It doesn't make any sense at all. Ukraine is a beautiful country, beautiful people. They've been under attack unnecessarily, and this war is lasting too long. I wish that peace will be reached in the right terms for Ukraine, and that hopefully also there will be a ceasefire in Gaza. The hostages will be released immediately. And hopefully there can be a certain beginning the rebuild of Gaza and giving the people

of Palestine the future they deserve in peace and prosperity, equally as what the people of Israel deserve, living in peace and prosperity without being afraid of a terrorist attack every other day of their lives. What is good for Israel must be good for Palestine too and vice versa. And that's something like I believe everybody agrees on. Yes. What I want for you, I want for me. Yes. And I'm saying this.

It seems so simple. With my hand in my heart. Yes. And I'm saying this. It seems so simple. With my hand in my heart. Yes. And I do believe that that's the vast majority of the people, Joe. I think you're right. We need to make sure that that is also what our leaders do. To bring the best angels in all of us. Not to bring our worst demons.

We need to be asking our leadership, putting aside parties, political parties, to bring the best in all of us. Bring us together, build longer tables. Don't break us apart. Don't break us apart. Here, here. Let's wrap it up with that. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very much. You're a beautiful person. You really are. I love you, Joe. Thank you for having me in your house.

I love you too, man. It was a real pleasure. And until next time? Until next time. Do it again. I can't wait to go to your next restaurant. Love you. Love you too.

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