The Joe Rogan Experience - #2316 - Cameron Hanes

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

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This is my first time trying one of these new energy drinks that Black Rifle came out of. Have you tried them? They're good? I have legit really good everything They do so jet. Yeah, really good Mango what do you think so this is the part of the podcast where I try to talk you out of running a 250 mile race with a broken foot you fucking maniac who were talking about my book This is the whole point of this was undeniable Well, you'll this was undeniable.

Well, you'll definitely be undeniable. You're at 250 miles with a broken foot. Yeah, it's a. Why are you doing that? That seems like not a good idea. But what am I, a doctor? Okay, so real talk. Let's just, we'll break it down.

So if I was a professional athlete in my prime, right? It would obviously make sense to say, and I need to get surgery, my foot's just, we'll break it down. So if I was a professional athlete in my prime, right? It would obviously make sense to say, and I need to get surgery, my foot's broke, I can't perform, whatever. But since I'm, we know how old I am, almost 60, it's just like, there's no guarantees. I'm like, if I can fight this off and still whatever, still perform, then I'm gonna do that. Wow.

I can't afford to play the long game, can I? Fix your foot. It's like, I don't understand. Like, this is what I've always said with people with jujitsu injuries, because I've had a bunch of surgeries. Just fix it. Just do it, because a day will be a week,

will be a month, it'll happen so quick, before you know it'll be six months, you're back in the gym. Just do it. That's what I always tell everybody. Just fix it. I just bite the bullet, get the, like there's certain things like,

certain things I don't think you should get surgery for. Cause there's things that you can rehabilitate, and there's sort of an, there's some doctors, I wanna be real careful about this, cause a lot of doctors are very cautious about whether or not to do surgery, but there's some doctors that are just a little too excited to cut people open and stitch them back together again.

Well, it's how they make their money. It's how they make their money. And famously, I've talked about it too many times, but for people who haven't heard the story, my doctor told me, for sure, you're going to need shoulder surgery. You're going to have to get shoulder surgery It's just a matter of when and if you put it off, it'll probably get worse I have zero problem with that shoulder now I got stem cells in it from Rodney McGee in Vegas you went with that place went back at six months

He's like the tears completely gone. So I could have gone under the knife and maybe he would have done a great job and fix it apparently he did the Lakers and a bunch of pro athletes and everything like that. But they don't entertain the possibility that there's other ways to fix things. But when it comes to broken bones and torn ligaments, like if your ligaments, like I have a bunch of friends who have ACL tears, complete ACL tears, no ACL, and they still do jujitsu. I'm like, dude, you're just grinding up your meniscus, the shit that you're gonna need for the rest of your life. And take it from me, a 57-year-old man who loves jujitsu, you can't do that, you need that stuff.

Like, that stuff's gonna go away, and then it'll be bone on bone, and then you're gonna be like in agony all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Theoretically. Theoretically. Just get it fixed, I always say just get it fixed, get it fixed, before you know it, it'll be fixed. Yeah, but I keep thinking about it,. I always say just get it fixed get it fixed before you know, it would be fixed Yeah, but I keep thinking about so if I would have done it

So I broke it last june, but all the things I did from last june to now i've got Accomplished still still got it done made it happen. Yeah, hasn't been that fun. Okay, don't fix it ever Just live with a broken foot forever. That's retarded. It doesn't make any sense. It makes zero sense. This is reverse psychology, isn't it? Good, yeah, no, don't do it. Good job, break the other one too so it balances out. That's the problem is that you only have one broken foot. If you just take a hammer to your right foot

or your left foot, then you'll have no problems. Well, we'll know. Well, I'm sure you're gonna get through it. I'm positive you're gonna get through it, but it's just like, why are you doing that to to yourself next Monday at 5 a.m. 250 miles Which one is that? What's the race called and your mark is set go? Cocodona 250 where is it? Is it elevation? It's Arizona So it goes from I think Black Canyon City to Flagstaff. Is it flat the whole way or is it 40,000?

Oh 40,000 nothing maybe 30 30,000 I don't know. A lot of climbing. Just a tiny amount. Oh look, fucking mountains. No there's lots of mountains. Is that the, yeah it's right there. Coco Donut 250. Bro that's so ridiculous. Yeah it looks beautiful though. That's so ridiculous you gotta do that with a broken foot. Yeah, so after you do that Here's the next logic. Well, if I could do 250 miles I can make it through elk season and then yeah You're not gonna get it fixed. I just did it with a broken foot in elk season. I know that's what I'm saying You're not gonna fix it. Oh, you're not gonna fix it What well if I get back to the corner and I can't walk? Oh boy But then the problem is what if you've done permanent damage like didn't you say your hamstrings bothering you now

because you come yes yeah this whole leg but yeah and you're gonna run 250 miles with a fucked up hamstring great idea that's not gonna fuck it up worse this word this is this supposed to be a feel-good discussion I thought friends BS in right everybody has a good time here The most influential man in the world Time magazine should have been no Meghan Markle beat me How if it's if it's me most influential there There should be no there's no debate nobody's even in the same category as you I don't know I don't think about it I try not to it's a little complicated thinking about it. I really shouldn't be influential. I don't

think hard enough about the consequences. Oh, you say that all the time. But man, you have so many good conversations. And it's like, it's definitely changed. Here's what's crazy is, you know, mainstream media with all the money that the advertisers had to pay or whatever, it's like that was that was our thing now that feels like that money is coming to the podcast Realm because of you. I mean you've shown the power of podcast and I think all the podcast hosts are benefiting from that What do you well, I think we are all benefiting from all of our work. I mean, I don't think it's me I'm you know, I just have been doing it longer than most you know But there's guys like Corolla and a few other I just have been doing it longer than most. But there's guys like

Corolla and a few other guys that have been doing it longer than me. Podcasting is just better because there's less people involved. It's really that simple. The problem with stuff like Fox News and CNN is there's too many people involved and too many interests. You have the interests of the network. you have the interests of the censors, you have a bunch of people that, you know, don't want you talking about certain things or want you talking about certain other things. Like, they want you to push certain narratives.

There's too many people. And so it feels curated. And so when you're listening, it doesn't resonate. But when you listen to two people just shoot the shit, you're like, oh, I know what that's like. Like, that makes, that's, like, if someone someone came over your house and started talking like a CNN anchor You'd be like what the fuck is this guy doing in my house? Get him out of here. I can't relax We try to have a glass of one. How would he talk?

One week what we've learned today is that climate change is the most important You'd be like, oh god get this guy out of the fucking house. Like what are you saying? So Douglas Murray is gonna come over to my house It sounds have you ever been? Yeah, I mean it's just there's people that are professional talking heads Do you know like there's there's people that are professional sportscasters? You know, they talk like a sportscaster voice like Howard Cosell radio DJ radio DJ voice Yeah, exactly top 40 DJ voice is like they're all the same. Coming up next,

alright. You know, like that kind of weird thing that they do. Where you're used to it, it sounds professional, but it doesn't resonate with you. So it doesn't seem normal. When you hear people, whether it's you or me or Theo Vaughn or Andrew Schultz or whoever it is that's doing a podcast, they're're just people talking normal people talking to people and that's what people want and if a normal person can talk to scientists and You know and say what how does that work? Why is it? What causes this like? What can I do to make this happen? What's what's the best way to start your day that kind of shit like? Then it makes sense to the people if you're if you hear some fucking weirdo that's talking in a way that doesn't make any sense and

you know won't bring up certain subjects and has guardrails and won't use certain language it doesn't make sense to you so you're not it doesn't work as well and also like they don't trust those people like if I tell you all this black rifle coffee drink is good I'm not lying. I wouldn't lie if I was like Evan. What the fuck is this if I drank it? I was like, bro We would call it up right now. We'd call him up on speakerphone. It's just mango tastes like ass Yeah, and I'm probably not but but I tell him privately It's but it wouldn't you know what I'm saying? I their shit is great their coffee's great. Everything's great. It's like everything All the ads we have like I had a call yesterday one of these conference calls that I have

Where I gotta go no no not that one. No we can't do that. It was like different ads like what is it? No, no like I just something that sounds like wrong to me I'm not a bit interested I'm not that might be a scam this might be horse shit what's the studies on this is it real like what do we know no no no like oh or yes oh yeah I use that all the time let's do that that's good that's a solid company that's this this is great, I wonder if I don't even know how to word it But people are so used to like the fake stuff like even even if somebody says if you talk about being transgender and say oh Well, you know this boy felt like a girl whatever it's like you're almost programmed to be like, oh

Hmm, okay. Yeah, it's a program to not have an opinion right and so in that and because normally as guys work you talk we talk about radio DJ voice or the fake or whatever it's like that's not how people talk but guys can be around a certain group of people and there'll be like one guy you'd be like that guy seemed off yes what's wrong with that guy right and that's like your group's like a subtle little thing. That's not like the things we're talking about like the big things That's like this guys have these this radar and you're just like who the fuck is this guy, right? Right, but and then you go to the complete other realm. We're so Preposterous and we're supposed to be like, oh, okay. Yeah. Hmm. That makes

sense. I actually heard a psychologist discussing this and he said that there's an issue with talking about things publicly, especially with social media because there's so much backlash on social media. Whenever you hit any hot button topic, immigration, politics, anything that's like a real highly, hotly contended topic. People will say things just so they don't get attacked and they distort their opinions based on how much they think they're going to get attacked. So all that social media stuff is super effective. People attacking people is super effective for people to like, this is how transgender people in sports got through.

The only way it got through is because people were calling people bigots. Every parent, every fucking parent who's not a complete psychopath doesn't want their daughter wrestling with some boy who thinks he's a girl. That's crazy. Playing rugby with some boy who thinks he's a girl. That's crazy Playing rugby with some boy who thinks he's a girl. That's crazy Have a six foot six fifty year old man who identifies as being 17 year old girl. That's fucking crazy Yeah, but you can't say that's crazy or your feed will be bombarded with a bunch of sociopaths or your feed will be bombarded with a bunch of sociopaths attacking you for being transphobic. Or to be suppressed.

Or Instagram will be like, okay, you guess what? We don't like that opinion. Nobody's gonna see it. I think Instagram is doing less of that now, allegedly, supposedly. I know X is not interested in that at all. They're not suppressing that shit at all. You can talk all the shit you want

about trans people in sports now because the reality is the general population, look, I don't care what you wanna do. If you wanna wear a dress, you wanna be called Rhonda, go for it and have fun. I'm a freedom person. And I believe America is the land of the free. And that includes doing dumb shit.

That includes things that I don't agree with, but don't hurt me or anybody else Go have fun right, but it's soon as you start doing things like entering into women's bathrooms Entering into women's locker rooms and all you have to do is just say you're a guy Now we're in crazy town. Yeah, let's and if I can't say we're in crazy town, that's how all that stuff got through is because Twitter was complete nonsense. It was just

a Psy-op. The whole thing was just a Psy-op. We all owe Elon Musk a huge debt. When he bought Twitter, he changed the conversations in the country because all of a sudden people were free. You could say what you want. You were free to say whatever you wanted. Before you couldn't say anything bad about Biden or the liberals or COVID vaccines or anything. You would be banned.

You'd be banned. Yeah, that's, you know, that Elon coming, doing what he's done has changed, has definitely changed the world, right? Without a doubt. I mean, has to, and how much credit does he deserve? Because he did not have to do that.

I mean, he had more money than anybody. Why would he do, why would he put himself out there like that, other than to make a positive change for humanity? In talking with him both publicly and privately, he was genuinely concerned that we were losing free speech He was genuinely concerned that it was being hijacked It was being hijacked under the guise of safety safety like we have to we have to protect people We have to protect marginalized people like marginalized male perverts who want to wear dresses and pretend they're a girl and go in the bed literally, literally right, you know and that's that's who want to wear dresses and pretend they're a girl and go in the bathroom. Literally. Right.

Literally. Right. You know, and that's dangerous with that, but it's also dangerous with everything else. It's also dangerous, like, if you're a person who's a progressive person who believes in gay rights or, you know, any thing, welfare, universal basic, whatever it is, imagine living in a world where there's no free speech but the Republicans are in control or like super religious conservative people are in control or Muslims are in control. Let's imagine like the the Muslim population in this country is expanding all the

time, they've got Muslim run cities now. They've called to prayer in certain cities in this country. Imagine that goes everywhere. They're in control of social media and they institute Sharia law on social media and they want to throw gay people off the roof. This is where it goes. Like you got to leave people the fuck alone. You got to let them say whatever they want to say.

And if you don't agree with them them don't follow them or make an argument Against it right really that simple. Yeah, that's what America's supposed to be and it wasn't that way for four fucking years I know during the Biden administration the FBI was involved in Twitter the the government Intelligence agencies were involved in Twitter They were telling people to take down true information and they were getting them to do it and they were doing it How crazy is that? Yeah, people should be up in arms that that took place like the hunter Biden laptop thing You should be you should be freaking out how they get 51 former intelligence agencies to sign up agents to sign off on something

They knew was a lie. Yeah, that's crazy Yeah, they just crazy. Yeah, and he just did it right in front of our face and no repercussions. Nothing. It's nothing. How does that for how does it happen? But then also how is there no repercussions? Well, what's really hilarious now is now they're all getting grilled by even like liberal media is grilling these politicians like, did you know Biden was out of his mind? Like, did you know? Like Elizabeth Warren was like, he was sharp as a tack. He was getting up for meetings.

Never seen him better. I heard that too. It was like, go Scarborough. He was like, this is the best version of Biden I've ever seen. Like, you should be literally in jail. You're such a liar. You almost shifted the whole,

imagine if Biden stayed in, they lied about that, and then he's literally like a zombie for four more years. And whoever the hell was running the country for the last four years just continues to run it. And then they just tighten up even further. Cut down on, Mark Andreessen was telling me about debanking, which I didn't even know existed, where people that had certain political donations and political persuasions,

they would take their banking away. They did no crime. They'd just say, you can't bank here anymore. You gotta go find another bank. And there's only like a few banks. They're all owned by giant mega corporations. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Well, it's no dir- that kind of reminds me of what happened in Canada with the truckers yes I mean they froze their they froze their bank accounts yeah people who donated to them yeah people who donated to them got their bank accounts frozen how insane insane insane and then that same party just won again good job, Canada

If they didn't have good bear hunting I would never be I do have to say I offered to have that Pierre guy come on the podcast really didn't do it wouldn't do it thought It was too problematic or whatever Jordan told me I forget what he said But they they were telling him not to do it like his advisors were telling him not to do it But they were telling him not to do it. Like his advisors were telling him not to do it. Like, hey, hey, hey, dumb ass. If they can't talk to you and have a conversation hold up, you're not grilling people, you're not attacking people. Of course not.

This is like a safe, you know, the friend zone type thing. It's like, no. And I heard you talk about Kamala saying, just wanna get to know her, just wanna talk to her. 100%. I said, if there's certain things they didn't wanna talk about, I don't need to talk about them.

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I'm not interested in that. I don't wanna hurt anybody's feelings. If I disagree with someone, I just say I disagree with them. I don't attack people. As I've gotten older and wiser in life, If I disagree with someone, I just say I disagree with them. I don't attack people. As I've gotten older and wiser in life, I want less conflict. I mean, sometimes you have to be able to disagree in a way that's forceful. But I don't want... I'm never insulting or attack people.

And especially this Pierre Polivet guy, because I don't know how to say his name. How do you say it? It's a weird way of saying it. Polivet guy, because I don't know how to say his name. How do you say it? It's a weird way of saying it, Polivet. I would just ask him questions like what's wrong? What's wrong with Canada? Like how did this happen? Why did it go this way? What can be done to reverse some of these things

that have been put into place? Like how did you feel about this? What would you have done differently? Real simple stuff. Yeah. I don't know anything about Canada's politics. Right. It'd be interesting.

Yeah. I'd love to hear it. It would have been fun. Yeah. But people are just... And this is also why the attacking of people on social media is effective. The same thing that keeps people from saying things because they're worried that they're going to be attacked also keeps people from talking to certain people because they're worried about they're being attacked, you know, they'll try to like

This is one of the things that I felt like douglas. Murray was doing when he was on the podcast was like trying to gatekeep Who I have on like why would you have this person on? Why would you? He never even listened to that guy darrell cooper's podcast like I would tell everybody forget about the politics stuff Listen to his stuff on Guyana listen to his stuff on Jim Jones the Jim Jones Series and this is an hour fucking incredible doesn't he do like hours hours discussions Yeah, fear and loathing in New Jerusalem is something like 30 hours long Insane stuff, but he's a really thoughtful person and he delves into all the areas. Let's look at this from the perspective of the people

who are in the cult. Look at it from Jim Jones's perspective. Look at it from the nation of Guyana where he moves there with his fucking cult and kills everybody with Kool-Aid. I think it was Kool-Aid. I think it was like a bargain name It was like some fake Kool-Aid. Yeah, we don't they call it just sue us people always they drink the Kool-Aid But I do Google that cuz I'm pretty sure it wasn't really Kool-Aid it was something else So cheap too expensive to kill everybody with top-shelf Kool-Aid. Yeah, it's a lot of sugar You got to put in Kool-Aid by everyone used to make Kool-Aid and was like what was like a cup of sugar? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and then you throw those stuff in there Burt crusher drinks that all day long. It's like a 64 ounce jug of Kool-Aid. He was shredded. Oh, he wasn't

He was more shredded than he is now. Yes. Yeah, but he's real big right now. I was just talking to him the other day I was like dude You got to do something maybe flavor a flavor a similar might have been from cheaper Yeah, so that was from Costco. Yeah, they got it in bulk flavor aid. There is Kirkland Yeah, what does it say? Ho your aid? What does it say? Where was it? Oh Oh, that's an F make it larger. Oh, it's blurry. Oh, there you go. Oh, there goes. Yeah flavorade Okay, please for aid. I killed everybody would flavor a Poison has got to be the fucking worst way to go

Feeling your body just getting destroyed from the inside out terrible for some jackass Who's on meth? It's a crazy podcast but this is my point like what they're trying to do is keep people keep these heterodox opinions keep people that are like outside of the circle of Expertise from talking about things even if they've, Daryl Cooper's read like hundreds of books. The guy's like a fucking consummate reader and you might disagree with him about something. That's fine. That should be okay.

Should be okay to disagree with people about stuff. Yeah. And also, what is learning? I mean, what is learning? Yeah. So you said he read, he did all this research. Douglas Murray has a problem with with I don't know who, but what is, how is that different than going to school essentially? Right. I mean it's no different. It's no different. I mean there

are experts that stop learning the moment they get their degree and that's real. Yeah. And it's a real problem. It's a real problem in medicine. You know I had an argument with Brian Cowan years ago because his doctor was telling him you don't need supplements You just you just need a balanced diet. That's what his doctor was saying I go your doctor looks like shit. Like what are you talking doctors fat? He's got a big pot belly He's got a big doughy face. You probably can't run around the block. Shut the fuck up. Don't listen to that guy There's plenty of peer-reviewed papers that talk about the efficacy of vitamins. They're super beneficial for you.

This is crazy talk. This appeal to experts. Just because you have a degree, you're not always right. You're wrong all the time. Yeah that was pretty disappointing because I thought Douglas Murray, I liked listening to him. I thought he was super smart, obviously very articulate. But he sounds so good with that accent.

But then on that one, I think I told you, or I texted you something about, man, he seemed pompous. It's like, that seemed like, that took a big, for me, it was a loss for him big time. Well, he used tactics rather than facts. So the tactic was an appeal to experts like that, and there was also saying that the coverage was imbalanced because I didn't have enough people that were pro-Israel but then I thought about it

afterwards like I have quite a few there was Jordan Ben Shapiro there was Coleman Hughes there's there's been quite a few people that are pro-Israel and not even that people are anti-Israel they just don't want to watch people get blown apart all the time. That seems pretty reasonable. But instead of debating how this is done and what is being done militarily, it all became about who are the experts

and what are the things that should be discussed and should it be balanced and do you have an obligation? That's not what we're here for. What we're here for is to get down to business. So what he's doing is putting you on the defensive right away out of the gate. Which is like I recognized it. I'm like, okay. No, you are perfect.

You're perfect. The perfect person to handle that because most people when they start getting attacked, you get defensive, you attack back. It just changes the whole dynamic of the conversation, but you stayed pretty neutral on that. It's a trap. It's a trap. It's a trap. It's like, you know, when someone gets in your face and you start yelling in your face, like,

okay, what are we doing? Are we fighting? I could do like, you start yelling too. Yeah, that's usually what happens. Yeah, and then maybe I won't be paying attention to your hands, you know, or your shoulder movement, or whether or not you're gonna hit me. Yeah, see, that's a tactic.

That's a fighting tactic. 100%. He had the same tactic, That's a fighting tactic. 100%. He had the same tactic, but not for fighting, but for conversation. Yeah, it's a tactic, you know, and then the thing of asking Dave, you've never been, like to dismiss, instead of having a debate on the issues, like, and this idea that expert, like Douglas Murray,

I love him dearly, I think he's a brilliant man. He's got a degree in history, or excuse me, he's got a degree in English, bachelor's degree. Okay, he's not an expert either. Unless we're talking about Shakespeare, shut the fuck up, because you're not an expert either. You know what I mean? I don't have a degree in anything.

I have zero degrees in anything, but there's certain things that I'm an expert in. You want to talk about martial arts? I'm a martial arts expert. Like if you disagree with, you have to be like, in order for me to have a conversation with someone where they disagree with me about martial arts, they have to be so much better.

They have to be like Gordon Ryan. Right. You know, like, but I don't disagree with Gordon on anything. For him, like that's a real expert. Again, no degrees. That's a real expert. I would just ask questions.

Like, what do you do in a situation? What's the benefit of this versus that and so you talk about it like? With these political issues, they're so such a third rail it's such a fucking dangerous subject that people have like a group that they belong with and then That group will support them if they go out and say these ideas and then the other people have another group and then this person's a representative of one group and they want to duke it out with the rep any reasonable person would look at Gaza and go this seems kind of excessive this seems kind of fucking crazy right seem kind of crazy at 70,000 people or whatever it is there are dead including

women and children this is the only way to do it really any reasonable person that doesn't make you anti-semitic It doesn't make you anti Zionist doesn't make you anything It just like doesn't make you pro Hamas like no it could be pro-human. Yeah human beings. I don't think human should be Murdered. Yeah, just like that sounds so reasonable, but the thing is like we never got into that. Yeah, because the conversation reasonable but the thing is like we never got into that because the conversation tactically he entered into the conversation as you know because he doesn't have really a defensible position it's very hard to say this is the only way to do it yeah so what do you say you say you need better experts

you shouldn't be talking to this person you should be doing this you should be doing that like why don't you have this you've never been there you should go there like bitch I am not you're not even going to Brazil for another UFC fight yeah exactly I don't go to Canada traveling out of the country yeah it's like you know it's not not what I'm interested in doing I don't have to well what's crazy is so so he had that take, but unless you're an expert or educated, you shouldn't be able to share this opinion. But he'd had the opposite take before.

Oh yeah, which is hilarious because somebody put a video up of him arguing with him. Completely opposite. So that, and I asked you about this, not with him, but I asked you, do you think there's like government plans? Cause it's like, if somebody, I'm not saying him, I'm just saying just in general, if somebody changes their position so, I don't know. I know.

It's hard to know. What it, who got to them and why did this happen? Cause then I look around, we talk about the Power Podcasts and I see these podcasts and it's just like, how did this podcast get every guest you could ever want and rise to the top in a heartbeat? When we know how it normally works, it works like you, decades, right, to get to the top.

Then some people, so I'm thinking like, how did this happen? Well, some people are really good, you know, and they could be really good right out of the bat. Right off the bat they could be, you know, better at it and then they get a good following and then once it gets into the top 20 or whatever, then they can get good guests. You know, because when it comes to- That usually takes time.

Sometimes. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I wonder what would happen if I started the podcast today. If there was all the podcasts that were out right now, and I had never done a podcast, and I started today and I did exactly how I'm doing it. How long would it take before it catches on? I don't know. I don't either. I would suck though. That would be a problem. I would suck and everybody would be watching

because I sucked when nobody was watching and I got better at it. I figured out how to do it. But as far as like Douglas, I don't know if anybody got to him or whether or not the group that he associates with thinks this way. I don't necessarily put everything inside of a grand conspiracy. It might be that he has financial ties towards certain things. He speaks at certain places, he sells certain books, he knows how he's selling them. Or it might be just that's how he thinks about things too. Sometimes people always think, oh, somebody got to him. Maybe that's just how he thinks.

Somebody has to think that way, otherwise that wouldn't be an opinion that's out there in the zeitgeist. Normally people don't switch 180 degrees on things though. Especially like that. Yeah. That's true. That's true. Because if he's educated on things, if he's been around, if he's the smart, wise person, you form this opinion based on that. You don't go 180 degrees the other way and change Complete the complete opposite take right unless you've been influenced

It wasn't like you were just a kid and you didn't know and now all of a sudden you're an adult It's like I can't believe I used to say that he was an adult the whole time right right right right so how I don't Know you know it's you definitely could get suspicious for sure But you know I hear suspicious I hear people say that about me too, which is hilarious. But I said, decades, I know, but I've heard all that. Decades, dude, you've been doing this, you're the OG. That's how it works.

I'm one of the OGs, yeah. I think for sure people do get influenced, but I think people also allow themselves to get influenced because they have a financial interest in keeping a certain opinion because they know that the group that they belong to Has that certain opinion there's that but the real problem with doing what he did was that it diminishes you publicly Like if you really want to do that kind of a debate if you really want to use those kind of tactics rather than a discussion of the issue, like you've never been, like that kind of stuff diminishes you publicly because everybody knows what you're doing. Instead of just having a conversation with about, yeah.

Anybody with a, anybody with an opinion I value knows what you're doing. Because if you understand conversations, you understand's this is not you're not really engaging with the ideas You're deciding whether or not a person should have these ideas or be able that you've never been there Like you can't how can you have an opinion? You know at least you should do the courtesy like you know now I'm virtuous. I have been right, but I'm elevated. I'm better than you you are diminished You haven't even been there. Your opinion is basically meaningless. And then it gets to this weird place where it's like, who's allowed to talk about what? The change was so abrupt and so opposite.

I was just like, because you could think if somebody was, okay, here's an example. I had somebody offer me today, not today, yesterday, if I would wear their hat, $5,000. So point is, there's value into doing this. So if somebody says, well, your voice is is this powerful or you can reach as many people or this many people listen to you So if it's a political party or a movement and they have this guy will pay you this much to push this point UFC 315 is almost here we've got two title fights with Muhammad versus Della Maddalena and Valentina Shevchenko and Manon Fior. And I've got just one question for you. Are your bets in? If not, look no further than DraftKings

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books on different wars and foreign policy like he's really into it. The way he explains it to me is like someone's like your recalls insane he's like yeah but I could talk to you about a fight that happened 10 years ago and you'll tell me exactly how it went down. Like, that's all it is. Just this is what I'm into. Right. It's just like, it's not, I'm not studying it for any other reason other than I'm fascinated by human conflicts, like global conflicts. And so when a guy like that is rising, you wanna try to diminish his impact if he disagrees with your perspective, like if you see someone.

But not everybody would wanna diminish that impact. Not everybody, that's a certain type of person. But he's also a certain type of person that kind of existed in both traditional media and alternative media. I mean, he always did my podcast, and he's written some great books, like The Strange Death of Europe is very good,

and proving to be very accurate. If you look at what's happening with mass migration into Europe, like he was calling this a long time ago, he was saying, like, this is, and he was being called terrible names, racist, Islamophobic, all these different things, this is, and he was being called terrible names, racist, Islamophobic, all these different things. And it turns out he was right. I mean, what

they're, what Conor McGregor is talking about in Ireland now, and a lot of other Irish people are talking about what people are talking about in the UK. He was right. Like you're, you're changing your culture and you're doing it. You're not, you're, you're not having people move there that are assimilating and becoming British You're having people that are coming there and trying to change what being British means, right? This is all he was saying And so I agree with him on a lot of things, but I think that's how life is You agree with people on some things you disagree with them on other things And this is supposed to be how most people

view And this is supposed to be how most people view basically everything in life. There's going to be things that you agree with that there's a lot, I have a lot of friends that disagree with me on certain things, but that should be fine. That should be normal. But for some people it's not. For some people it's not allowed because they live in this sort of debate culture. And you know, and some people they do debates. One of the first things they do is they insult the people

they're debating with. They're just like, add hominem attacks. And again, trying to get you on the defensive. It's like a tactic of when we talk about mainstream media, like those interview type shows, where you only have a certain amount of time. So they have to get right to it. Whereas that's not the case with the podcast.

Also, I value perspective. I value someone who could look at things and go, yeah, clearly the devastation is horrible. Clearly. Clearly it's horrible. Clearly there's innocent people. I've seen people say, I don't want to say who, I've seen people say there are no innocent Palestinians in Gaza

I've seen people say that like that's a crazy thing to say. That's a crazy thing to say especially in a place that's controlled by Essentially a terrorist group like like that's a crazy thing to say like you would do What do you think Chicago would look like? How do you think people would behave if they were Chicago was controlled by a terrorist group? Do you think people would be free to speak out against them? That's is that the problem? They're not speaking out against them so they should get bombed? That's crazy. If you have a wife and a child and you barely getting by, you barely have enough money for food, are you really gonna be out in the streets protesting against this fucking terrorist

group with machine guns and billions of dollars they've gotten from USAID. Yeah. No, you wouldn't. Obviously not. You wouldn't. You wouldn't be, you're not expressing yourself freely. So how do we even know what their opinions are? Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, it's just, I mean, all of it, just the changing landscape of media has just, you know, it just gets you thinking about like these voices and, you know, and Douglas brought it up with in that discussion was was interesting, but all that I remember from it is like how much he changed his perspective. But so anyway, I think he's still a brilliant guy. And I would still talk to him and listen to him about a lot of things.

But I think having conversations like that, communicating with people like that diminishes your appeal. Or diminishes whether or not, it diminishes the overall impact of your mind on other people. Because I know you think goofy this way. I know you communicate goofy this way. And as soon as I know that, I'm like, yeah, now I have to put this through this filter now when you say things. I have to go, yeah, but he believes

a bunch of goofy shit about that, which is fine. Which is fine. I'm sure people do that with me too. It's normal. But I think for someone who is a public intellectual, that becomes a problem when everyone who's really paying attention knows you're using tactics rather than actually just debating the issues at hand

just talking it through yeah yeah but it's like the thing is like who's talking like come on everybody's talking bitch the whole world's talking like let people talk

yeah it's a crazy time for sure but yeah you know what I was thinking also what were you thinking? I don't. I don't I don't have Did you know I don't have a bow hunting degree? Oh, that's crazy. You should get a degree. So it's giving out degrees I shouldn't be able to bow hunt really should I yeah, you're allowed to bow without a degree yeah, because it's a caveman fucking practice

How awesome is bow hunting though? It's the best. Yeah. Best way to get food. Yeah. There's no better way to get food. Have you been shooting much? Yeah. Shot this morning. Did you? Four months of Waste-a-Well.

Yeah. Are we going to shoot? I don't know if I have time today, unfortunately, because we spent so much time at Waste-a-Well. And I got to head home after this. Getting healthy? Yeah. We were getting stem cells today. And what's the mask?

The infusion? The lung stuff? Yeah, that was What stem cell nebulizer basically? Yeah, so you breathe it in so you breathe it in like vape you're vaping stem cells Hey all I know and I said this when I was there But I did that last time and then I ran a five mile race is 8k But my fastest five miles I've ever run. Really, with a broken foot? Yeah, at 57.

So it's like, I don't know what, if it didn't hurt, it didn't hurt me, obviously. Well, they've done so many amazing things with me that I'm, you know, when they say something is really great, you should try it, I'm like, okay. So I put the mask on, I'm sitting there with you, we're talking about Rocky Marciano. Oh, man.

I got into these old videos on YouTube of fighters training, and I got into this one video that I sent you about Rocky Marciano and how insane his training was. And it was seven days a week, he would spar sometimes 30, 40 rounds in a day. He would run 10 miles in the morning and then five more miles at night. And then he would swim two miles in the lake. He would swim across the lake and then back. And then he

would get up in the morning and do it all over again. And he never took days off. No. And another thing, he was like, focused on recovery and sleep. Yep. Like he would be in bed like at nine, I think I said every night. Yep. And get his sleep in, but work so hard.

And why do we love stories like that? Cause you know how hard it is to do. Yeah. Yeah. But it's. It's impossible. I mean, it's possible, but it's impossible for most. It's like it requires a mind that is just fortified

through will and discipline to this strange hardness that's just different than everybody else's. Well, but why would, okay, so he retired at 49 or no. Yeah. Heavyweight, everybody knows him in fighting, maybe not everybody in the world, obviously. He at 49 or no. Yeah heavy weight of Everybody knows him and fighting maybe not everybody in the world obviously he died a while ago, but I wish small heavyweight We're talking about that too. I think in his prime. He's 190 pounds or 189 pounds something like something crazy like what did Rocky Marciano weigh while he's fighting I think he was 510

And he weighed like 189 pounds which is insane. Yeah like 5'10", and he weighed like 189 pounds, which is insane. Yeah. Like, 188. That's so crazy, dude. So he weighed 12 pounds less than me. Think about that. 5'10", and a quarter. He weighs 12.

He's two inches taller than me and a little more, and then he weighs 12 pounds less. Did he fight Joe Louis in Sonny Luskin? He fought, no, no, no, no. He fought Joe Louis when Joe Louis was way past his prime and flatlined him It was pretty brutal. It was a scary fight. What? It was that's so crazy that he was only 188 pounds and he was the heavyweight champion granted. This is a different world. Yeah different era different era Yeah, there was no Tyson Fury and there's no Mike Tyson either right everybody talks about Rocky Marciano

Rocky Marciano is great Mike Tyson would have went through him like a fucking train through a flock of sheep Yeah, it's a different world Rocky Mount at his heaviest he weighed 192 Okay, he fought seven boxers who weighed more than 200 pounds, but people weren't that big back then Sonny Liston was Sonny Liston was big yeah, so he would have been 20 pounds bigger bigger than Rocky Marciano Sonny Liston. Yes, but Mike Tyson wasn't that big when he was in his prime when his prime was like 215 220 You know and 510 or 511 as well. He wasn't very big and he was He was born in 69. Did I see that right? No, no, no, I think that's when he died. Oh Okay, I was gonna say he can't be younger than us. No, no, no, I think that's when he died. Oh Okay, I should say he can't be younger than us. No, no, no, no

No, he was a heavyweight champion in the 1950s. All right, never mind. So you feel old. That's not that old fine Rocky Marciano KOs Joe Lewis It was brutal cuz you know back then when you were 38 or whatever Joe Lewis was when they fought you were really 38 no nutrition Like you know also lifetime of fighting probably needed the money, which is why you took the fight It's not like the Joe Louis that knocked out Max Schmeling in the height of the war and those like an America's hero This is this is Joe Louis when he's on his balding. He's got a big bald spot in the back, but he's like, it's sad. And Rocky Marciano just mauls him.

Just mauls him. That's what's crazy about how did George Foreman reinvent himself when he was old. The thing is, one thing that you did see in this fight was the technical brilliance of Joe Louis, especially early in the fight. If they had fought in their prime, I think Louis would have fucked him up. That's my belief

He's a lot bigger He was he was taller and but he also had incredible power How old was what we'll ask after watch this video, but he was doing really well for a while But the thing about Marciano was he was not the most talented but he did not get fucking tired and he hit like a truck He hit like a truck and he was just a fucking animal. He just plowed forward He never ran out of gas like this is not like a technically skilled Boxing match he would just maul guys. He would just Bob and we even this is the end of it at the end Joe Louis goes through the ropes. It's sad man. It's sad. Yeah

It's sad man. It's sad. Yeah It's sad That's how old was Joe Lewis when he fought Rocky Marciano That's a sad. He looked pretty good though. Yeah up until like Rocky started catching him But this is how a lot of Rockies fights would go even his last fight Which was against? his last fight, which was against Archie Moore, I think, he got dropped in that fight and just got up and just eventually pounded him and beat him down and KO'd him. But he was just so fucking tough. What he would do to himself was nothing compared to whatever was going to happen inside that

ring. Right. So that was going to be my point. So he had all the success, retired, undefeated. Pretty young too. People knew he was 30. 37. Okay. That's how old Poetan is right now. Okay. That's how old Alex Pereira is right now. Right. That's crazy. So 37 back then was like, it was over. Oh yeah. So much older. But yeah. So when 37 back then was like, it was over. Oh yeah, so much older. But yeah, so when you look at Rocky's success, why even seeing that, and there's fighters

out there, why wouldn't they emulate his style, his training, his why? If that's what you do and you want the same type of success, why are you letting somebody outwork you? Yeah, it's not that simple. It's like, first of all, you're not as exposed to people like that unless you train with them. Yeah, there's no YouTube videos. You might hear things, you know,

but if you hear things like, I heard Rocky's training seven days a week, 24 hours a day, he don't sleep, he only eats raw meat. You hear stories like that. And you're like, fuck that guy. That was Mickey. That was Rocky's train. Yeah. Well, that, you know, but look, that, you would hear exaggerations. You always hear exaggerations that come out of fighting gyms.

But I would want to believe those if I was a fighter and be like, because didn't Tyson used to say that? That's why I got up at five in the morning or four in the morning. Yes. Well, Tyson did train like that. Yeah, you know else train like that forever Marvin Hagler Oh, I thought you say Floyd Marvin Hagler trained like a fucking warrior Right used to run in he was to train on the sand dunes in the Cape of Cape Cod in the middle of the winter And he would just be running screaming war Love that war just throwing punches. He would run in combat boots

He was an animal. He was an animal just Spartan. He would go to this Provincetown in no fucking phones He would tell his wife and family. I'm gone. I don't exist. I'm gone for two months He would just vanish and every day would be the same thing. And he would spar a lot. Hagler was sparring 100 rounds a week. So he was sparring 20 rounds a day for five days in a row. So and he would bring in fresh sparring partners too. It's not like one guy he's beaten up for 20 rounds.

No he'd bring in, he would rotate five different sparring partners so they would all come in and do four rounds. You're not to kind of Perhaps I don't know. I mean, I don't know exactly. We could be all had unbelievably grueling training sessions and you know, that was one of the things that was so a Parent like with his his endurance and his, their discipline was like second to none. They were like no girlfriends, no phones, no bullshit, no video games, fuck you, we train. And you know, recover, train.

Eat, recover, train. And you wanna really be a champion, this is how you have to work. And this is how Islam Akhachev is so good, that's why Khabib is so good. Those guys are Disciplined so if I think about it, you know, we love stories like that We love all the sparring but it can't it's not gonna lead to a long life. No, I mean But is that the price?

To be a rocky Marciano or a Khabib who has to retire at whatever he was 32 or wherever is like is that what it takes it probably to be I caught to be legends yeah you give up something to get something like I don't give up life yeah I don't think you'd be completely balanced to be and be the best ever but you know it depends on how you're doing it you know like the thing that's so brilliant about Floyd Mayweather is that if you look at his career, he might have been really hit hard four or five times

in his whole career, which is insanity. I mean, he really is only, that's Hagler. In the snow, screaming war. Ha ha ha ha. Dude, I, it was the best. Yeah, but so why do we love stories like this? Well for me when I was a kid haggler was the man Yeah, you know when I was in high school, but we still we still love them now

Yeah, I love like that clip you sent me yesterday. Oh, yeah, or this this clip is the same same YouTube website it's boxing life that the YouTube channel? So really good channel. But with Hagler's discipline was just, it was so admirable. Like he didn't have to go fucking Cape Cod in the middle of the winter. He did it because he wanted to be separate. He wanted to live a Spartan life. Look, he would run backwards. Throwing punches. And that's I think that's either Goody or Pat. The Petronelli brothers

were the guys who trained him But like this is his workout six mile runs deep hills running backwards breakfast rest watch TV film Late lunch boxing training strength conditioning dinner watch film and sleep Repeat rinse that's do it again day after day after day That's it. Yeah, he was too much chill out in there day after day after day. That's it. Yeah, and he was. I don't see too much chill out in there.

My favorite fight with him was against John the Beast Mugabe because everybody points to the Hearns fight where he beat the shit out of Hearns and KO'd him. Incredible, incredible, incredible knockout for sure. One of the best boxing matches. One of the best, most entertaining world championship fights of all time. But for me it was Mugabe

because Mugabe was uniquely talented. Mugabe had insane power. I remember I was at a boxing gym in Massachusetts at the time Mugabe was about to fight Hagler when Mugabe was coming up. And they were telling me stories about Mugabe fighting guys and they never fought again. They had brain damage. You know, I don't know how, again, boxing gym talk. It's hard to know Yeah, but I remember being a kid listening to this going what the fuck like he hit that hard Mugabe just was Flattening people see if you can find John Mugabe

Who did he KO did he KO Terry Norris? No that was later Who did John Mugabe fight that he knocked out? Best KOs of John Mugabe. Let's see. Pull up John Mugabe's record. So John Mugabe was like almost kind of, OK, here. Top John Mugabe, greatest knockouts. He was almost like a Francis Ngano guy,

where it's like his power was just so crazy. You would watch him hit people, and you'd go, what the fuck, man? Oh, this is Julian Jackson, right? Is that who it is? Pretty sure he KO'd Julian Jackson. Maybe that was Terry. No, no Julian Jackson KO Terry Norris But you know, he just had just extraordinary power Are they showing the KOs here? This is just a lot of boxing here. It is here he goes. Oh Yeah, bro This is just a lot of boxing. Here it is. Here he goes. Oh, God.

Yeah, bro. He just had this one punch knockout power. And when he fought Hagler, man, he caught Hagler with some big shots. And one of the more impressive things about Marvin was not just that he was such a big puncher and a great boxer, but also how durable he was because he was such a big puncher and a great boxer but also how durable he was because he was in such incredible shape. You know he never went down his entire career. He has one knockdown and it was 100% bullshit. He fought this guy named Juan Roald Dan and when Hagler was bending over Juan Roald Dan kind of cuffed him in the back of

the neck and he fell forward and they called it a knockdown It was not a knockdown and most boxing experts I would I would actually argue that all boxing experts agree that that was not a real knockdown So you're talking about a guy who fought Tommy Hearns. He fought last one. Yeah, it was a little illegal One knee down okay, oh some yeah But the point is Mugabe was terrifying and he was fucking everybody up and Hagler broke him. But in the beginning it was rough. In the beginning it was rough. Mugabe was landing some big shots.

See if you can find Mugabe, well I know it's available, Mugabe versus Hagler. It was mean too, man. Like hitting guys where they were down. Dangerous, dangerous guy. And I don't know if he fought again after Hagler KO'd him but he was never never in the conversation again Hagler broke him Hagler told him he was gonna retire him. He's like I'm gonna retire him He's never gonna box again and he just beat him down and I think it was the 11th round when he finally stopped him

Yeah 160, you know, that's about right, you know generally speaking speaking for, you know, heavily muscled guys, especially back then, those guys were not cutting a lot of weight like they are today. Right. Like some of these guys today are cutting big weight. Oh, God, Hagler looks good, doesn't he? Yeah, by the time the eighth round started happening, Hagler, one of the things about Hagler that was so good was Hagler could switch. So he could fight you southpawaw and then in the middle of nowhere

He would switch up and start fighting you orthodox and was just as good just as good The only guy who's like that is Terrence Crawford who's champion now He's the only guy that I've ever seen that fights just as good from Southpaw us from orthodox But Hagler was a rarity back then a guy that could switch it up like that. Like nobody had ever seen that before Yeah Rarity back then a guy that could switch it up like that. Like nobody had ever seen that before Yeah But that's also why it was very difficult for him to get fights early on Because nobody really wanted to fight a southpaw like southpaws were there were too awkward. Everything's backwards Yeah, and if you're not used to fighting southpaws, they have an advantage because they're always fighting Orthodox people, right?

Yeah, and so they're accustomed to that one look. Now, this fight had gone back and forth and back and forth. This is the end. This is what Hagler finally gets them. Boom. And that was it. And I think that was the 11th or the 12th round. I think it was the 11th round of a 12 round fight. So Hagler fought in the era where they used to have 15 round fights and they turned him into 12 rounders after Duk Koo Kim died when Rayman C. Nikko Duk Koo Kim. Yeah, it's a lot of damage 15 rounds of headshots. Yeah, man Well, I mean, I think that's why Rocky Marciano retired when he was 32 and you know 49 and oh, yeah and 32 years old he could have kept fighting could have kept making money

32 is your athletic prime. That's what I'm thinking like in you know you know, Khabib did the same thing, and I just love seeing those training camp videos carrying the rocks and running the mountains, and it's just like, but you know, back to my point, why do we love that? Just because it's so primal, or, and it's just men just giving everything they have? It's like, it's one reason why Goggins is such a draw. You know, he's sort of like that.

Oh, he's very much like that. But the craziest thing about Goggins is he's not even training for anything. I asked him about it, he goes, I'm downloading, downloading information. I'm like, you're downloading, what are you downloading? This is so crazy. We were talking about the video that he that style bender just put out

Shout out the style bender for putting this out to me. We're also giving him credit because respect because David broke him You are willing to go to another level. Higher? That's when you break up. Come off and you see. It's off. It's off. Where your world ends, mine begins. Where your world ends, mine begins. And this is one of Goggin's multiple workouts of the day that he took Stylebender through. There's Stylebender's off there.

Yeah, and he's, they're helping him back up. By the way, this is after they already ran. This is like the second, this is the third thing they did. They ran, then they did the air dyne bike, and then they're doing this. So they already did sprints on the air dyne bike, they ran for distance, I don't know how many miles they ran, but he was exhausted after the run,

then exhausted after the air dyne, and then he does this, and then they do it all over again. They start again with the fucking air dyne machine. They go back and forth, and then it goes to sit-ups, and then it goes to... It never ends. And then people go, he's not doing that every day. Well fucking clearly he is. Everyday.

Clearly he is, because look at him, he's not even breathing heavy. Stylebender is dying, and David Goggins is talking to him with normal breath. At the same time, a world champion, one of the greatest middleweights of all time, can't even keep his food down. And remember, this is Stylebender who against Kevin Gaslam was saying, I'm prepared to die. Yeah. Going into the fifth round, looks across the ring, cage, says, I'm prepared to die. Yeah going into the fifth round. Yeah looks across the ring cage says I'm prepared to die Same guy same guy. Yeah, there's levels when it comes to endurance

You know I was telling you about when we're getting our infusions when we were vaping stem cells today I was telling you about BJ Penn when he was in his prime when BJ Penn was in his prime. He was training with Marv Marinovich and Marv Marinovich, and Marv Marinovich had very unorthodox training methods where it was all plyometrics, explosive drills, sprints, box jumps, all this crazy stuff. And he believed, and I hope I'm not quoting him incorrectly, but he believed that fight training was of secondary importance when you're in camp and really what was important is to just have a fucking insane gas tank. Like BJ Penn knows how to fight. He's a world

champion. He's not going to forget how to fight, but you could get him training this way where you have this gas tank that's just insane. And when BJ Penn was training with him, he was unstoppable, man. He was like, I always say this, like people talk about Khabib being the greatest lightweight of all time, and maybe he is. It's very possible he is. But I would put the BJ Penn that fought Joe Daddy Stevenson, the BJ Penn that fought Shawn Shirk, the BJ Penn that was like in that peak when he was training with him, I would put him against anybody,

against anybody, when he fought Diego Sanchez. He couldn't be stopped. And if you got him to the ground, his fucking submission game was insane. It was insane off of his back. He would take your back, you're dead. He would knock you out standing up. His kickboxing was elite.

And how do you think Khabib would fight him? Take him down for sure. He'd probably fight him the same way George St. Pierre did. But the difference in size between BJ Penn and George St. Pierre is pretty significant. BJ Penn was really a 155 pound guy who actually later in his career fought 145 later, which was when he was kind of at the end of his career.

But George is way bigger. George was a big 170, big muscular 170 with great wrestling, nasty ground and pound, and a black belt in jiu-jitsu himself, and also a really good striker. And just in his prime when he was so well rounded. And there was also accusations of greasing, because George was very accusations of greasing, you know, because you know, George was very slippery

Yeah fight which is if you're a grappler and the other person you can't get a hold of them Especially if you're a guy like BJ who fights so well off of his back Yeah, he chase legs were like arms where he could be sitting there without using his hands He could put his feet in the lotus position So like completely cross and lock his legs in the lotus position without using his hands at all. Whoa. Yeah. Crazy flexibility and dexterity. Yeah. So if you were trapped in his guard, you were fucked. Yeah, you see those guys who they're on their back and they get their leg up around the guy with the top position's head.

Yeah. Somehow, you know, it's just... When you're in like Eddie Bravo's guard, it's just when you're in like any brah I was of all that it's terrifying any Bravo has the craziest guard I've ever been in It's so nuts and there's a bunch of Eddie students like Jeremiah Vance We also have these like insane guards like that. There's certain guys where like if you're if they're on their back It's no picnic like Fabrizio Verdoom. He tapped fador a million ankle from his back He got him in an armbar triangle from his back Yeah, like well you could tell like if we talk about a recent fight Chandler verse Patti Pimblitt

Chandler didn't really want to be on the ground with Patti No, and Chandler's a wrestler like he loves being on top ground But still he had top position and was still nervous about doing stuff. It seemed like I don't yes I don't know, but it seemed know. Well, Patty is big. Patty's a big, lightweight. He really is. I mean, I know he gets real fat in between fights. He gets a kick out of it.

But he's big. Yeah, he's big. He's a lot bigger than people think. I always say that he tricks people by dancing and having silly hair. You go, oh, that's a killer. He's tricking you. He's like one of them bugs that pretends itends to stick when you get close to the jacks you

Yeah, he looked he looks so good. He's really good. Which I you know I'm you know channel I love Chandler love Chandler that was a tough one to watch I Love Patti as well Patti is very impressive. Oh, yeah You know there's a good argument that the last three guys he fought, Bobby Green, Chandler, and Tony Ferguson, like he's fighting guys with losing records, which is true, you know, that is true.

But it's still very impressive. What he did to Chandler in comparison to like what Olivera did, like Olivera was in real trouble in the third round of their last fight. Real trouble. And real trouble in the first round of their first fight. And Patty was never in trouble.

Chandler was this close to having that belt. Yes, this close in the first round. This close. And maybe just got, yeah sure, thank you. Maybe just got a little overzealous in that fight. Yeah, he was excited. I mean, obviously. In the second round.

Who wouldn't be? Yeah. But also, Olivera is a master. Oh, yeah. He's so good. Well, that, his fight against, I think, Armand, right? Was so... So good.

I was watching those guys fight and I'm just like, I've never seen two guys this crisp, good, technical, just never out of position hardly. And Charles almost caught him twice in two very close submission attempts. Looks like he was out at one time. He wasn't moving. Well, he got it. He was pretty locked in, but he wasn't out, but it was very close. Yeah, very close.

I think he should have won that fight. In my opinion, those positions where Charles had where you were that close to finishing a fight count for a lot. Yeah. I think that's part of the problem with scoring system. my opinion, those positions where Charles had where you were that close to finishing a fight count for a lot. Yeah. I think that's part of the problem with scoring system. It's one thing if you like go for a guillotine, the guy gets out of it immediately, you're on your back getting beat up, that submission attempt, that's not that much.

When a guy has a fully locked in Darce choke and you're almost out and you get saved by the belt, that should count for a lot. What's the best position for a Darce? Because they were both kind of flat by the belt. That should count for a lot. What's the best position for a dars? Cause they were both kind of flat on the ground. Yeah, there's a bunch of different ways you can catch a dars. But the way a dars works is like, say if you have an underhook,

which means your left arm is wrapped around my waist. What I want to do is shove my arm under your armpit so it pops out the side of your neck. Then I want to wrap my bicep around like this So I lock my arm around one side of your neck and this and then I'm squeezing Yeah, so that's Tony Ferguson. He had a nasty nasty dars Yeah His Tony's dars was elite because Tony has long you see him catching it standing up there

Yeah Tony has long arms and he's strong as fuck and he's got like a great grappling base because he started off as a wrestler. Oh, there, yeah, see there's Charles. Charles is up on top right there. Yeah, because that's what I was saying, they're kind of laying both flat

and I just didn't know what was best. Well, that's not ideal. Ideal is when you get the guy on his back and then you could lock, like the Dustin Poirier one where Islam has him. See how Dustin in the lower right-hand corner? Yeah, that's it right there. So that's him against, go a little higher there, that's Hanato Moikano. But one of the things you see about Islam, he's a very unique way of doing the dars, is Islam grabs his own wrist like this to can't, like some guys, they have too much

bulk and maybe your arms are too short. You can't get the, like having long arms is really important for a dars. Like John Jones must have a wicked dars. Cause you can get the arms all the way through if they're long, then you can cinch it up. But Islam cinches it up actually by grabbing a hold of his wrist. And so it gives you extra space and the grip that he uses is incredibly tight. He's also insanely strong. Who? Who is? Islam. Islam is insanely strong. Like he's got that sort of elite grappling strength that comes from decades of throwing human bodies around. There's a thing about that,

like here is Demetrius Johnson says, I felt it, I know, fucking Max Holloway just texted me, how strong is that Darce? Like that's a sick Darce. Islam is elite. He's elite when it comes to like strangling people. So is Iliya Toporia, he's got a nasty Darce too. Aren't they fighting?

I don't know. Oh, that never got signed? It's, the word is, and this is only from the internet, this is not from Dana, and if he told me, he'd probably tell me not to tell anybody so I wouldn't tell you. But the word on the internet is that Ilya plans to fight in the June card, the big international fight we got the other June, whether or not it's for the title. He said he's only fighting for the title. That's what he said. Unless he said, Conor McGregor, he said I'd fight Conor McGregor or the title.

I think he's just fight Conor McGregor because he knows the numbers would be fucking insane. Millions of dollars. But it doesn't mean he's fighting Islam because Islam Islam might decide I'm gonna go up to 170, right? Yeah, here's what could happen because Islam's been talking about fighting 170 If Bilal Mohammed who's the current welterweight champion who's gonna fight Jack della, Maddalena Which is only in like a couple of weeks, right? Mm-hmm. When is that? When is that one? Yeah, that's coming up. They might hold that announcement until that fight. So Islam and Bilal were training partners.

And apparently Khabib does not want Islam to fight Bilal. But if Bilal loses to Jack de la Maddalena, then it's a no-brainer. Why doesn't he not want him to fight him? Next Saturday? Not this, but next. May 10th. Yeah, so it's real soon so all they would have to do is hold off their announcement until May I see so if Balal wins then there's an issue because Khabib does not want Islam apparent allegedly apparently doesn't want them fighting because their brothers you know they train together, okay?

Oh, I see um but Islam's big. I mean he easily could be fighting at 170 It's probably torture for him to get down to 155. Yeah, whenever I interview. I'm like. How are you 155? This is so crazy that that would show rough weight cuts for him. It seems like it's rough. He's big. He's probably 190 plus Look at that boom. Oh, yeah, Islam says I'm going to submit you with that because that's your thing. Islam says, or excuse me, Ilya says that he's going to submit Islam with whatever his favorite move is. He's like, tell me your favorite joke. Tell me your favorite submission.

That's what I'm going to submit you with. It's easy to say. That's an elite level and a lot bigger. Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna ask like You know, how hard is it or who is the next star because you know We kind of saw this with Rhonda when she was coming out of the women's division It's like who is the next star gonna be? Connor still people are trying to call Connor out because they know of that money that's involved with it How do we get that next superstar? Well they have to win you know. Sugar Sean O'Malley could have had it if he beat Marab you know but that's a

nightmare matchup and he had a fucked up hip going into that fight which is it's one of those things the UFC was putting on this big show at the Sphere which was insane. By the way, if they ever do one again, you gotta go. Yeah, I love Sphere. The fucking Sphere's crazy. Yeah, I remember watching it. It's so crazy. It's like a total experience in and unto itself.

I need to go to a concert there. It's the most amazing venue I've ever seen in my life and there's not even a close second. Like nothing's close. There's a really cool one in LA that just opened up that we did a LA card there a few months back That was really good, too. Hmm, but it's like one tenth of the sphere the spheres nuts. Yeah Let's it's so it looked insane on on TV and the sound the sound you feel it through your fucking bones So it's wild that was like last May 5th, wasn't it? I believe so.

Yeah. Cinco de Mayo. So for him to take that fight with a bad hip is crazy. And I know he did it because he thought he could win anyway because he's a champion and that's how champions think. Yeah, you have to. But with a bad hip, when you're fighting a wrestler and you weren't wrestling at all and training because your hips bad that's crazy. That's like

you got you got to get it fixed just get it fixed. Tell them it blew out and you can't walk get it fixed. You got to think about the legacy in the future and taking a fight against a guy who's an elite grappler while you have a blown hip is kind of insane if you can't grapple? Oh, yeah, it seems insane. Yeah, I mean I could have won I think it's that mindset you had just have to have it kind of can get you in trouble, too And you look at how good his takedown defense was against Al Jermain Sterling So Al Jermain Sterling in the first round try to take Shawn down

He could not take him down and that was a big factor Like Al Jermain was in trouble because if you can't take him down and Shawn is a fucking sniper, he's a sniper. And he knows how to find that chin, man. He's got a pull right hand that's like from the textbooks. And the one he would hit Al Jermain with, that's gonna be in that UFC when they play the Who. When they play Bob O'Reilly, that'll be on that forever. That is such a clean right hand.

It's such a pullback, black, ooh! And Al Jermain saw it coming. Oh! You can see his face. Yeah, he's like, oh no, what have I done? I know. And I bet he thought he could do that to Marab too, and he might have been able to, but Marab is a different,

Marab's a different species of human. Again, same kind of guy. I know. Same kind of guy. So listen, we've been kind of dealing with this with my kids and Truett and all this stuff he's been doing, but I think those fighters we're talking about, it just made me think of my kids,

but when you start them as kids, like the guys like Khabib, Dagestani guys, Marab, those guys have been training forever, right? Yep, for sure. Forever. Yeah, for sure. That has to give you, yeah, you have to have other abilities and talents and skills and this mindset.

But when you start that early by the way rocky marciano didn't start box until he was 23 okay well there goes my theory and you know he had one of his uh amateur fights he was exhausted and so he vowed to never never be tired again yeah he gassed out in a fight he He's like never again. So he just decided he was good, but it's also like He was Italian from immigrant Parents who barely could speak English. Yeah, and those people who came over on the boat. They were a different species, right? There are different species of hard workers. Mm-hmm. Those people were tough and they demanded so much Joey Diaz immigrant mentality mentality. Immigrant

mentality cocksucker. Yeah I mean that's real. Immigrant mentality is a real thing. When you've come here from another country and you see how hard your family works and there's just like there's no ifs, ands, or buts. Mm-hmm. I always tell the story about this guy that I used to train with that always used to make me feel lazy. My friend Junkcic, he was in his residency in medical school while he was on the US national team. So he was a national Taekwondo champion while he was going to medical school.

So he was going to school 12 hours a day and still training. And he would put his books in his backpack and run stairs in between studying. That's how you get in shape sometimes. And then he would come to the gym exhausted and fuck everybody up. It was amazing. And I remember thinking like, I'm so lazy.

Like, and I wasn't lazy. But like compared to that dude, I was lazy. Yeah, how, I just, that's what fascinates me because I've talked to Huberman about Courtney in this regard too. It's like willpower Yeah, like will how What gives somebody more willpower than another person?

It's hard to say because according to Goggins He forged that and he has more will than any human being that's ever walked the face of the planet And he used to be a lazy fuck. He'll tell you, he'll tell you, I was lazy, I was fat, I was 300 pounds, I drank milkshakes all day. Like he'll tell you. And then he decided that that's not him anymore. And then he decided it better than anybody who ever has. So it's not like he had some genetic gift of will.

That's not the case, he forged it. And this, you know, Huberman talks about this, whatever that part of your brain. Yeah, that you can grow. So is it that, that anybody can develop this willpower? Well, I think Goggins proves that, because he's, again, he's the goat. He's the goat when it comes to like will.

And people don't know what Goggins was doing with Izzy. Goggins has two destroyed knees. Okay, I had dinner with him in Vegas a few weeks back and he showed me some recent x-rays of his knees because he got some fucking new thing in his knee to keep his bones from fucking smashing into each other. Some post that they put at the top of one of his knees because his cartilage is missing and his fucking meniscus is blown out and they saw the top of his bone and shifted it down and screwed it in place Because his knee was all out of alignment because he would been running bone-on-bone so long that his bones were starting to just it's

Like called wolf something syndrome and his doctor said I've never seen it in a human being before this is fucking insane Like how are you walking on these knees? Forget about running thousands of miles. But he does it. He just does it. And if that guy will tell you that he didn't have any willpower and that he was fat and lazy and then decided that it's not going to be that anymore and then put himself through grueling strength initiating became a Navy SEAL yeah and then and look at he's laughing guess what that's where the shit comes from I got nobody that's my darkness

that's why I laugh at these motherfuckers, you think they fucking know me? You think you know me? Come into my dungeon I mean He is psycho he is psycho I love it I love it I love it I love it I love it I love it I love it I love it

I love it I love it I love it I love it I love it Holy. I mean, how do you not admire that? Look, he is psycho. I love it. He is psycho. I love it. Yeah.

He is psycho. I said, we joke around about, you know, cause he says it's so easy to be great nowadays cause everybody else is weak. That's what Coggin says, right? Interesting. And it's like, when you talk about, yeah, we talk about generations and you've mentioned it

a million times, good times, creates awful, all that whole thing. But I said, well, we got one, we got Truett. So we got one kid who's still getting it done. Well, your son learned from you. I mean, that's a great example of, you know, he's grew up in an environment where his father was regularly running these hundred mile races and

Regularly running 13 miles in the morning before work like you were doing all that stuff and you were setting an example I was gonna show you something and then he sees how far it takes you in life Yeah, you know he you've gotten here by just force of will Yeah, and when I truant sent me this today. So this is his first half marathon. Can you see that? Oh, wow. He's a little kid. Wow. He still ran eight minute miles in that. That's incredible. As a little kid. But anyway, that's like, that's what I was saying about when you start that early with stuff like that, I want used to it. Yeah. But then again, Goggins, you know, tell you different or Rocky Marciano will tell

you different. Like he didn't, I don't think there's a hard, fast rule. Look at that. Look at you guys. Aww. That was his first marathon there. That's so cute. Yeah.

There's no hard, fast rules. Like yes, it's definitely beneficial. As far as skill development, this is what I've always said about striking in particular. There's something about learning striking while your body is maturing and you're young is way better than learning striking once you're an adult. Because you said that with your kick. Yeah.

Because your body was changing as you developed that kick. Exactly. Exactly. I was kicking in all kicks. It's not like that's the only one that I'm really elite at. I learned how to kick when I was a little gangly little kid. And I learned like, and then my body grew strong. My tendons grew strong from hitting this 150 pound

heavy bag every day. Like as a little kid. Yeah Whap whap and I basically lived in the gym. So I was kicking that bag hours every day I was just constantly setting it up and training. I was constantly setting up moves until I got him like where it's like Instinctive like I didn't even know it was happening before it happened Like when I was in a fight, it would just come out. Like when you see the opening, you're not even seeing it, you're just moving. It's like it all goes into this. And the only way that happens is just insane hours,

insane hours, constant dedication. But as your body was growing and you're putting the stressors on it and those movements on it, your body adapted essentially. So it's like, if you're putting that the stressors on it and those movements on it your body adapted essentially So it's like if you're already mature your body wouldn't have adapted the same as it did Because you're doing it at the perfect age You can get really good if you're a really good athlete and you pick up striking later in life But you're not going to get floyd mayweather could I don't think i've never seen it rocky marciano even wasn't floyd mayweather

Level he was just a mauler. He would just, oh, oh, and he would never stop. And he couldn't hurt him. He couldn't hurt him. His endurance was insane. The volume was insane. He would just make guys rethink their whole lives because he'd be like, what the fuck, man?

Like, fuck that guy. That guy's out there? I don't want that. You know, like he just never stopped, but he wasn't like Floyd was an a master He was a master in there He would stand right in front of you and you couldn't hit him Stan stood right in front of Canelo Alvarez and canel couldn't do shit with him And canel Alvarez a world champion one of the best ever he couldn't do shit with Floyd

Yeah I mean, do you think that would be less intimidating, fighting somebody like that, because he didn't have that power, like the knockout power? And he also had brittle hands, like Floyd's broken his hands multiple times. You knew you weren't just gonna get...

Malled. Malled. You wouldn't get Mugabe'd. Right. Right. You're not gonna be able to hit him, and it's gonna suck, it'd be frustrating, but... But he doesn't hit like't hit like you're not gonna be at a pool of blood, right? Right, right He's not gonna beat you down and stop you like the thing about Hagler was like Hagler didn't mind getting hit because his chin was Iron he didn't mind and he wanted to smile at you when you hit him But one of the thing he said about Mugabe after the fight. They said it seemed like Mugabe caught you with a big shot

He goes. Oh, yeah, I like when that stuff happens I like a good fight this is what he said after he knocked him out and like when when the ring announcer was saying the winner and Still the undisputed midway champion of the world haggard's like saying it out loud to himself Undisputed midway champ of the world and that's a guy that just went through hell for months in the snow at the Cape Cod. And then he just beats the scariest fucking guy in the division. And at that point in time, this was before the Leonard fight,

he was talking about retiring. And you'd have to know, if you were a fighter in his division or potentially gonna fight him, and you saw that after a war, and then you see him acting like that, you're probably just like, Bro, when he knocked out Mugabe, it was an outdoor fight, and steam was coming off of his head.

Oh, I could just. At the end of the fight, see if you can go to the end of the fight, when Mugabe drops and they raise his hand and he's celebrating as he's celebrating and walking around, steam is coming off of his head. Yeah. He was a monster. Those, I don't know, I'm addicted Steam is coming off of his head. Yeah, he was a monster those those

I don't know. I'm addicted to these fucking video viral clips cuz so now I got two of them You just remind me of there's one. Have you ever heard of bad water? It's it's called bad water 135 I think but it's a race in Death Valley. Yes. Okay Yeah, so Goggins did that and it gets like 130 degrees where you have to because it's on the highway through Dead Death Valley So you have to run like on the white line. So your your shoes don't melt Oh, and you wear kind of all white because it's so hot but it gives 130 degrees So Goggins his first time doing that and he's got you know, his physical issues like always, but he finishes, he gets third place, I believe. They come up to him and they're like,

so how was, what was it like out there? How was the heat? And he just was like sitting there, just in his chair like this, and he looks at the camera, and he's just like, didn't notice. Didn't notice, it was 130 degrees. That one is just, I love that one. That's

That's real. What do you got there? What was that? Why why is this that's terrible? Why do they have music so much louder than when someone's talking? I hate that. I hate that. So there's... He didn't even notice it. Yeah, there's that one. Here's the haggle one.

Look at the steam. See the steam coming off his head? Look at that. That's so insane. Fucking steam. What is it about just people being shredded and Just weapons well. It's just inspirational man. It makes you want to go to the gym I mean when I see Goggins making Izzy puke and break yeah, it makes me want to work out I mean when I talk to you makes me want to work out when I know that you're out there running 13 miles when you were When you had your full-time job? you had your full-time job. Boy, I tried to talk you out of that for so long.

You did, you did. It's crazy. I tried to talk you out of that job for years. I was like, dude, you're wasting money being there. I know you think it's a good job, but you're wasting money. But the point is, you were working out so much while you had a full-time job. I mean, most people just don't have that kind of willpower.

And when someone does, it's like super inspirational to everybody else. We feed off each other. Humans feed off of each other. When I see a guy like Goggins, or I watch a Hagler video of him training, it's just fuel, man. It just, to me, it just pumps my blood up.

I, ah! I wanna go hit the bag, man. I wanna go work out out like right now. Like I see that and, but that's, I've always used that as fuel. As a positive. Always read autobiographies about fighters and watch videos and watch them talk.

And just to me, it's always like been, it's like wood, just throw it on the fire. It's more fuels, like woo! Without, I, it's more fuel, it's like woo! Without, I mean, but this is the craziest thing about Goggins, like he ain't got nobody doing that for him. It's all in his own fucked up head. Yeah, there's another clip where this guy, they're doing, you know, they do these big events,

speaking events, and so he was sitting there and the guy's like interviewing him, he's like, so you run for hours and hours, don't you? And he just looks, again, looks at him just like, he's got masters this delivery, but he just looks at him and he's just like, out, you know, something like hours, days. He runs for days and days.

So not hours, what are you talking about? Fucking hours, days. Yeah, what did he do like 99, 100 mile, like how many 100 milers has he done in his life? Oh, he had the world record. He did eight 100 mile races, or like eight consecutive weekends. So it was something like that,

which normally, you know, you do 100 miles, you're banged up for a while. I would imagine. 100 miles is a lot. So he's doing them, I think it was eight consecutive weekends. Yeah, most people can't even do eight marathons.

Oh god, dude. Eight marathons? Yeah. Did you ever see Eddie Ift? No. Or excuse me, Eddie Izzard. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Eddie Ift.

Eddie Izzard, the comedian Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Eddie. If Eddie is ord The comedian from the UK who likes to wear women's clothes. He did this thing in Sometime in the 2000s where he ran a marathon every day and he had no training He wasn't in shape at all. He just did it through sheer will. And I think he did it like 29 days in a row. Like something insane like that. He did it twice. Okay, he's completed 43 marathons in 51 days. That's in 2009. Oh, it says she. See, the thing about calling him she is he doesn't call himself she. He still refers to himself as Eddie. And he says I'm a he and I like ladies. I don't know why they're saying she unless he's changed things since or she's changed, whatever.

Either way, respect. Super cool person too. Done two podcasts with him, her, the, them, whatever the fuck it is. I love them to death. But one of them, while he was on a treadmill, like. Yeah, he was a he at the time. So I was allowed to say he at the time. I'm glad you're getting this all worked out. Because when I want to tell these stories, I got to figure out when he was he and she. I think I did his podcast, and he was doing podcasts

while he was on a treadmill. And it was running like hundreds of miles he's like you know but just through force of will completed oh it's her latest endurance leave that Eddie is or completes her late like what are we doing this time 32 marathons in 31 days yeah wow yeah it's a it's so kooky. It is. Well, but I mean, that's really impressive, too, because this is a person that's not in shape. Like when they started doing it, when he started doing the first marathon,

when he ran all around the UK and ran like a marathon a day, there's a documentary about it. And the documentary is pretty incredible because he's not in shape at all. And he's just breaking himself down and his feet are falling apart. The bottom of his feet are just raw. It's just blood and tissues and they've got gauze wrapped in between the toes. It's oozing. I mean, they're just destroyed.

I bet. One day, he had to take a day off because it was that bad. You think about it because that was one of the questions I did this podcast about this Coco Dona race coming up and they said, you know, how many steps do you think it will take to finish a race? So that just reminds me of, so if it's 250 miles, my guess was it's generally about 2000 steps a mile, so 500,000 steps. But point is 500,000 steps on your feet,

that's gonna cause some damage. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? So part of this training for big multi-day ultras is time on feet. Like I, because I was injured, I couldn't train like I normally train. So I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna go out and spend time on my feet.

And so I did last week, 150 miles, which was 22 miles a day, but I couldn't run because I'd been injured. So it was like, I was power hiking and kind of a slow run. So it took fucking forever, but I'm just like, time on my feet. So I was out there to do that. I was 37 hours of training last week.

So your foot must be getting worse if that's the case. That was my hamstring. Oh yeah. So my because I was in like the best shape I've ever been in was supposed to I was gonna go to Boston to get my best marathon time. Everything was tracking good me and true or training running hard. He's just like I'm on one of his videos. He's like my goal is to get in the two thirties for the marathon for him. And he's like but actually I to get in the 230s for the marathon for him and he's like But actually I think that should be your goal because I can't keep up with you I was running so good and then tweak the hamstring

So now if I try to open up and run like a six minute mile, it kind of re aggravates it So i've been trying to be patient not push it but I needed time on my feet was my point because just as eddie Illustrated in that if you're if your feet aren't toughened up, that's your contact point. And that's why you run with no socks on too, right? Yeah, right. You want them to get kind of like a brace. But still, it's like that so many steps on your body. So there's joints like, there's this great documentary that just came out on last year's Coco Dona 250 and it's called

The Chase because they they went with four like four guys. Is there any other chase? Yeah. And it's really good but the four guys they follow here. Brother looks like hell. Yeah. All those people in hell together. Yeah, so that's That's yeah photographer there. That's a Mike McKnight right there all these legends of 200s Climbing a mountain here. Yeah Shut the fuck up is that part of it that's in the same country, but that's just one of the key runners That's what he does during his runs what yeah during his runs

Yeah, take a little break. He climbed all the way he climbs in the in the film He climbs this whole fucking thing to the top. Oh my god And so that are different. Yeah, they but the point is is like That's the guy who is climbing right there. What an animal. Yeah, these guys are just studs, but but here's the thing so They had these guys Jeff Browning right there legend. He's won like 30 hundred mile races. That's Joe string bean McConaughey What's the guy's name that climbs? That's Michael verse first stage is his name. I think it'll probably show it. There's there's McKnight. So it'll show him coming up right there.

He is that guy. Oh, he looks like a psycho. No, he's just, he just, that's, that's, it's good. Dead eyes to me. That's ultra run, like the dirt bag ultra runner. That's what I love about it. Right. I love guys like that. This guy is like, I don't know if he's Amish or whatever, he's from Ohio, doesn't he live around mountains? Just a freak. So you get these people out there to race this 250 miles, you don't know what the hell is going to happen.

Every person they just showed there did not win. Wow. A guy who they didn't show won. Because so much crazy things can happen to your body. And you cannot predict who's gonna- 17 year old just finished 12th? That's crazy.

That's crazy. I didn't know that. That's impressive. That's impressive. That kind of will for a 17 year old? For sure. Oh my god That kid's gonna be unstoppable. So that goes to show you like there are hard people out there Still even in these soft ass times. Yeah, there's hard people out there. There is yeah

I think they showed they'd done the through high hike on the Arizona trail as a family that kid who'd done it And that was 800 miles is the Arizona trail So a through hike is basically you're just on the trail just as long as it takes. But that makes you tough. Every day on your feet. That's the thing, it's like in that movie these guys are just battling back and forth,

passing each other, keeping track because you have the GPS tracker. You remember when me and Courtney did Moab? So people get addicted to this tracking. Right. Right. And, you know, my, um, I know my brother just did, so like a month ago or maybe three weeks ago, it was called the Arizona Monster 300, a 300 mile race. My brother just got second. Wow.

I was just tracking nonstop. That's incredible. It's so fun. 300 mile race and he got second. How much did the guy who won beat him by? Two hours. Jesus Christ. So the guy who won got 86 hours,

Taylor got 88. That's so nuts. 88 hours is so crazy. Slept for four. That is so crazy. How long did it take him to recover? Three and a half days. I mean, probably, I'm sure he's not recovered.

Ever. It's been a few weeks. I mean, what I've said before is like, those races, I mean, exercising is good. That's good for you. Those, not good. Those aren't making you live longer. No. Pushing your body that hard. No, I can't I mean it's it's like you're on death's door

Yeah, I mean you can only run for so long before eventually everything just breaks the cool part is Courtney's doing this one Oh nice. She's back to the 200. She's a fucking animal. Yeah, chin You'd never guess eats candy all silly easy to talk to real fun, but somewhere in that brain. There's some darkness I don't know she can call upon. I've been trying to find it, you know She came out we we did I just released it on my YouTube, but we did Three hours or no three days. We did a hunter my daughter. She's eating McDonald's french fries So this is it I know I had trays bring us McDonald's We stayed at Pisgah for 12 hours and did 15 summits, 50 miles.

Just up and down. Look at her just chilling, eating fries. She looks like an Instagram influencer. She doesn't look like some psychopath that can run that far. No. So we did this 3 days, 100 miles and we did... This is a McDonald's commercial Your fries stuffed in your pockets. I know the perfect fuel seed oils for runners. We need cat you need calories and salt There's my brother right there Taylor. That's who got third

Incredible. This is his race. But uh, yeah, the point is is like we went so three days and I'm Yeah, the point is, is like we went, so three days and I'm, you know, this 41 miles down this day, you get to the last day and I'm fucking beat up, dude. She never, never got tired. And I'm like, she can do her run, her little run at this like a nine minute mile pace forever. That's so crazy. And I just don't that's where I'm like this willpower how does it work? Well she famously went blind. Yeah. And kept running and fell and cracked her fucking head and got up and kept running. And won. And won. Yeah she's a maniac but

it's like it's not like this angry Goggins, like, who's going to carry the boats? Like a different kind of mental strength. She's got her own thing, her own formula. Yeah, I don't know if I told you this, but so I was talking to her about when you get in these ultra races, I mean, it's, it's pain is what mostly stops you, right? It just hurts so bad to run. So I said, she talks about the pain cave. Like, so she goes into the pain cave and that's, you know, she welcomes it, she's

not shying away from the pain. And I said, I go, okay, so and what do you mean? You're just like embracing the pain? She's like, no, I'm working in there. And so she's explaining she's got this chisel, and she's hitting the chisel with a hammer. And I said, so you're not thinking about running? She's like, no. She's, I'm thinking about hitting the chisel. And she goes, rocks falling down and piling up. And I said, so you're thinking about that not running. She's not running at all. She's thinking about working. So she she makes her brain think about making this cave bigger. And I'm like, Whoa, so I said, Is there like furniture

and shit in the cave? She's like, No, I said, Plato's cave. I said, But is it I said, Is it the same cave every time every race? She says, yeah. And I go, but I said, do you have like an extra, like a wing for one specific race is, is you work on this wing of the cave? She's like, yeah, sometimes. So she's in this cave thinking about chiseling rock, that's what cave larger, the cave larger and it and just and just expanding the pain cave and I was just like I was blown away and she goes I feel like I need to stop talking about this because the more I talk the crazier I see. I kind of think you have to be crazy to be great. Yeah I don't think it

comes to a normal person. I don there's gotta be something going on. I mean, for her, it's the pain cave. For Goggins, it's who's gonna carry the boats. You don't know me, son. Like, whatever it is, you gotta be crazy. And you have to decide. If you wanna beat Courtney in a 200-mile race, you gotta decide for years, for years,

you have to chase that goal. You're not gonna do it tomorrow. It's not gonna happen. Like you're gonna have to build up for years, right to be able to do that. Yeah. And she's going to be building up along the way too. And so you probably never catch her. I don't know. She looks, you know, she's 40 now looks like better than she's ever looked as far as like performance. You

know, she's I think she's done one race this year Won it broke the course record and now she's got this one coming up So I don't know when she won the moab she won the moab 240, right? 40. Yeah, how far away was she from the second place person? It's like eight or ten hours and I asked her about that too because hours and I asked her about that too because because even that so if if you said oh you got you're up by hours right you just kind of yeah she pushed the whole time so that's what I that's what I I am fascinated and I just want to know why right how what did she say she just wants to do the best she can she just wants to see what she said. She's never racing anybody else

It's always just how hard could she push herself? That's interesting because that kind of eliminates the ego Yeah, because instead of battling with your ego. You're just trying to do your best all the time your best You're not racing against anybody else. You're just trying to do your but a lot time your best. You're not racing against anybody else You're just trying to do your a lot of people say that right a lot of people say that I think she truly believes it right I believe it she believes it too, and if you can just compete against yourself like again back to Goggins He's not doing it for anything right. There's nothing that he's got no race coming up Uh-uh no a lot of people have to have a goal to work towards. He told me he's downloading information.

Yeah, what is it? I don't know what that means. That's his own pain cave. He's downloading knowledge. So he's still trying to get better is what it sounds like to me. He's trying to figure out like, he's developing his mind to be this unstoppable force which it clearly is. It's as close to an unstoppable force as I've ever seen, especially when you consider the damage. If you go back to that Izzy video, let's look at his stride, because

here's the thing about Goggins. One of the things you see in his stride is if you look at his knees, he's got giant scars up both of his knees. His knees are way more fucked up than mine, and I don't run, because my knees are fucked up. You did a 5K. I did once. Trading it all. But the scars are extraordinary,

and when you see them in real life, it's even scarier. And his form is weird. But if you go to the YouTube video, Freestyle Bender, YouTube, Izzy's got it, Izzy put the whole thing up. And when you see him running, I mean his pace is great, but it's weird, like the way he's running, because his knees are destroyed. Yeah, and I think that that's just kind of evolved

or devolved, whatever you want to say it, over time. He's just doing what he has to do. You know what I mean? Yeah, if you scooch ahead a little bit, this is in the beginning, so here it is, him running. There's a profile that shows it pretty good. There's a sideways profile, but even then it looks kind of odd.

Like Izzy looks sort of loose and relaxed, his legs straighten out. David's legs legs straighten out. David's legs never straighten out. They always have a bend to them at every step. You know, like when you see him sideways, you really get a chance to see it. There's one part where you see him run. There it is.

There it is right there. So look, see how he's kind of, that's odd, right? Like you're a runner, you tell me. That's kind of odd, right? Like you're a runner, you tell me, that's kind of odd, right? Well, I just don't know. He might be just trying to stay with Izzy because Izzy's going at a slower pace, which maybe if he was like, maybe if David was opened up,

it'd be more extended, I'm not sure. It's hard to say. Because Izzy's obviously struggling there. And also they are going uphill when this is happening. Yeah, so I think David, it could be tweaking his form a little bit. But I mean, he must be in agony. There's no way he's not in agony if you know the extent of the damage that he has on his

knees. And if you've seen the x-rays, we've showed them on the podcast before with all the fucking screws and shit. They saw the top of his femur off or his tibia off and shifted it to make it flat again. Like what? Yeah, he showed me some crazy photos too of like his body reacting just insanely to some of what he's been putting it through. Yeah, of course.

Well, he has to stretch, he told me. He stretches for two and a half hours every night. Just stretches. And that's changed a lot for him, too. When you look at him and Izzy running, I mean, David's 50. They don't look that much different as far as like. No, physically looks insane. Yeah.

And again, he's not breathing heavy at all. And that was one of multiple workouts he does in a day. Yeah. But that would break most human beings. I think Izzy posted that that was David does three of those workouts the day. Yeah, but it would break most human beings. I think is he posted that that was David does three three of those at workouts a day. That's so crazy. Yeah, and he keeps going Yeah by himself. That's why I love all alone. Yeah, I mean this there's real boogeyman out there, right? And with David this is all for his own

Personal growth or what he likes to call downloading knowledge. Whatever he's doing, that's for him. It's his own battle that he does. But just to know that there's a guy like that out there, it pushes everybody else too. David existing in this soft ass world that we live in today raises the bar for literally everyone on earth. That's everyone who hears about him knows that there's a standard above in which they have ever pushed themselves.

Above and beyond. And that's Marvin Hagler, and that's Rocky Marciano. There's people like that, there's Khabib, there's champions. And what people do is they cultivate their own little world without those people. Oh, yeah. They're like, I don't know if I've heard you, I think you, like, you don't like knowing about,

certain men don't like knowing that there's people like that out there. Yeah, they don't like it. Because then it's just like, fuck. They don't like being held to a standard that they can't match. Like they don't like being confronted by, oh, he's cheating,, oh he's doing this,

he's probably on peptides. There's some fucking excuse. There's not a peptide in the world that makes you work out six hours a day. It doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. Yeah, I think that. You have to be a crazy person.

And you have to be willing to get yourself into that place, that crazy place. What was super cool is when True was going after the pull-ups? Goggins was checking in and he was like all in like you got it. Okay. Tell him to do this time to do this He's like, okay, write this down. Call me back. I mean he was so into it Yeah, he's a man. He's a man. I love him to death And I think he does a great service to the world, even though he's doing it all in silence,

he's doing it all alone. You get glimpses of it. You get enough to know, and especially that video where you see him with Izzy, like, oh, this is real. This isn't a mythical person. This isn't the gray man. This is a real human being. Like, holy shit, man.

There's people out there that are just working harder than everybody else, and they're gonna keep doing it. And that's their grind. And those people are super valuable. Those people are so valuable. The Marvin Haggles of the world, the Rocky Marcianos of the world, like, those are very, very valuable people.

Because they change everybody's perspective of like what's possible, what to strive for, and what it takes. Like do you really wanna be a champion? Why, because you just wanna be cool, you wanna be the coolest guy on the block, like you're not gonna win. You're gonna find some fucking psychopath

who just lives it. It's their whole life. And if it's not your whole life, get out. Get out. There's another quote that I love, something like, there's somebody out there training every day, and when you meet, they will win. I mean, that's just a fact. Most people don't want to think about those type of people. They think that they're like, oh yeah, I'm working my ass off. I'm doing more than anybody. They're ignoring a few people.

Yeah. You don't work more than anybody. That's not real. There's no way you do. There's one guy who lives in Vegas. He's my friend. I'm going to tell you, I'll introduce you to him and you just get nervous just being around him.

He's on a different level. He's the man. And that level that he's on, like this thing that he's doing, it's good for all of us. People don't like it because they feel weak. I've compared myself to him like, Jesus Christ, I don't have that kind of will. But if I was the type of person that all I was was my hard work and my will, I would look at him and I would feel inferior. And people do not like that.

And there's a lot of bitch ass men out there that don't like it when guys are working harder than them. And they try to bring those people down. And David takes all those fucking people and then he writes all the shit that they said down and then he records it and listens while he's running yeah like he's he's one of one well you better shut the fuck up you're just gonna make him meaner yeah he's gonna make him crazy i love that what's that the challenge nowadays is who's

real and who isn't right because there's people that say things just like David says, but they're not really doing it that well They're not doing it. They're not him. No, they're not him. It's an act It's it gives them this social currency in today's world So that's the hard part is like who's who's real who isn't and they might be working harder than most people Not everybody even not everybody. No, there's people out there that are just, and you can't, you can't, because there's not only so many hours in a day,

and there's only so much time you can do. Yeah. You know, I've never done anything like that before. But what I did do when we had that sober October challenge with Tom and Bert and Ari, is I went kind of crazy and lost my mind. I was doing seven hours of cardio a day because I wanted Bert Kreischer to die

because Bert really thought he was going to win. So I watched John Wick like 50 times in a row. Did you do seven a day? Oh yeah, I was doing seven hours a day. Yeah, I was trying to kill him. I was literally trying to kill him. I was running hills. What if he would have died? Then he dies. I was like, he's talking shit. I was literally trying to kill him. I was running hills. I was hitting the bag. What if he were to die?

Then he dies. I was like, he's talking shit. He was talking shit. He was like, that's Bert. Like, Bert will tell you he can do the splits. I'm like, okay, do the splits. He can't do the splits. Like, he'll tell you he could beat you in pushups.

Okay, he can't beat you in pushups, but he'll always say it, which is fine. But there was something about that competition where we were all kind of going crazy. We all decided to never do that again because at the end of the month, we were like, it was bad for your family, bad for your kids, never saw me.

I was like, daddy's fucking screaming in the gym all day. I set off the fire alarm because I sweat so much in the gym that the fire alarm went off. That's pushing it. Puddles around me, puddles. Just puddles. I was just drinking water and soda.

I was drinking like cream sodas, because I needed sugar. Sugar, yeah, definitely. I just felt, that's what I wanted, I wanted soda. So I was drinking sugary sodas and just running like a fucking maniac. And at the end of it, I was like, I can't, I can't, dude, that's a part of my brain

I don't like. That part was like the part that made me very good at fighting. And it like ignited again. And I was like, woo, it's still in there, like Jesus. It's been a while and it's still there. It's been a while, it's kinda got stronger. It was like more, you like wanted to stay back.

You know, it's like, you wanna start doing other things. You wanna start running and doing races and start like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You're busy. Yeah. Let's not get crazy. Do you think it's, do you think it's the measurables that have changed things?

Like, because- Sure. Because our watches tell us everything. Right. So you get those numbers, you want those numbers to go up. Yeah, they say that that's a thing, like with like those Fitbits and all these different wearables, like people say that they're,

people are getting addicted to those the same way they're getting addicted to social media. So we were doing everything through the MyZones chest strap. It's a heart rate monitor. And it was basically giving you a certain amount of points for having your heart rate above like 140 and then even more points if it gets above like 180, like when you're in

the red. And so you would just try to clock as many points as you could for a day. And had to, so you had to push hard to get those points. Exactly. Yeah, you have to be, you know, you're in the yellow, like the 140s for hours and hours. Yeah, here's what my heart rate is so low. If me and true going on a run, we did a 20 mile run here a few months ago. His was in the 20 mile run, we ran like six 18s. His was 157. And mine was 139 or 140. Wow. So I have a hard time getting my heart high.

That's crazy. Well, that's insane fitness. I'd like to see what David's is. Yeah. But he ain't wearing no fucking heart rate monitor. No, that's not his style. But yeah, so when you talked about that your heart rate had to be high to get these points,

I'd be like, I'd be fucked. Well, Brigham says that he competes with Tim Kennedy and he's like Tim Kenny doesn't even know I'm competing with him As he can find because Tim Kennedy's wearable numbers are posted on the my zones thing Like that's the thing about my zones It was interesting is like you could compete with and even when we were doing sober October and we were like torturing ourselves We were still weren't in the top ten in the country There were still people out there for no fucking reason other than being a psycho and we were like torturing ourselves, we still weren't in the top 10 in the country. There were still people out there for no fucking reason

other than being a psycho, people you've never heard of in Nebraska somewhere or wherever that are working harder than us. And they're not even competing for anything. This is just what they do. And they're putting in crazier numbers than we were. And they probably do it every month. Yeah, that's nuts.

That is nuts. Yeah, so Tim Kennedy is one of those He's like he's always like put posting these crazy numbers and Brigham tries to compete with him and like when he finds Tim's numbers like that's why he spends like two hours a day and doing Muay Thai's he's competing with these numbers Oh, I see. Yeah, see Strava sort of like that runners use Strava. Mm-hmm I'm not on it, but that gets posted publicly so everybody can see the pace, the climb, the hours.

Well, if you're competitive, it's great for everybody because it just raises that bar. Imagine if you could see Rocky Marciano's Strava numbers in 1951. People would be like, what the fuck? I know, I would love that. Everybody else would be like, well, that was the thing with the Hagler and Mugabe fight,

like Marvin broke him. He couldn't keep up with Marvin. Marvin kept hitting him, ripping to the body, slowly but surely breaking him down, but his endurance was just so strong. At the end Mugabe was just like a, he was wobbly. Like you see when guys like, when you see it in a fight in MMA, you see it lot their technique doesn't look crisp anymore their heads moving too much

their core is not stable they're constantly re-correcting they're not like rock when the beginning of the fight everybody is rock solid yeah everybody's moving in the end there's like a laxity to the movement you see the fatigue set in it's like these telltale things and Marvin didn't have that there was no there's no laxity it's like those storms coming like you know across from somebody like that terrifying must just be the worst the word they never get tired yeah there's a famous moment in when Khabib fought Edson Barboza where Edson has this thousand-yard stare because Khabib took him down again and

he's beaten him up and you realize like Edson's like this is never gonna end. I cannot get out of this. I'm never gonna I'm never gonna get this guy off me. Yeah. I can't stop him from taking me down and he's just mauling me. Every time he takes me down he's just punching my fucking face in and that's how Connor felt when he was fighting Khabib too. At the end he's just like tapped like fuck it, it's over.

Yeah, I mean it's got that fatigue makes cowards of us all. It's got to be the most accurate quote of all time. And the only way to develop that kind of endurance is through insane work, insane work, just insane volume. And then constant consistency, constant volume, discipline, intensity, never ending go, go, go, go. Where your body just has to keep up. Yeah.

Or it doesn't and it breaks. And then eventually you get like Cain Velasquez towards the end of his career, his shoulders were getting fucked up, his knee knee was fucked up his back was fucked up after a while He was too mentally tough for his own physical form his body just couldn't tolerate it anymore. Yeah, I wonder What the limit is? nowadays because we talk about Back then and we talk about how it's changed, because

you said something, talking about, I think, Sonny Liston talking about when he was 38, that was a different 38 than now. Joe Lewis, yeah. Or Joe Lewis. Oh, okay. So nowadays, what are people capable of? Because when you talk about the nutrition, the science, the, you know, it's who knows? Because you said you said something like your body will break if you push this

a certain amount. Yeah, I think there's a difference between endurance activities and combat sports. And there's something about combat sports that it's fractions of a second you miss. So there's only been a very few fighters that fight at an elite level deep into their 40s. The best example is Bernard Hopkins. Bernard Hopkins fought at a world championship level when he was 48, 49 years old. He was different because he was first of all in very intelligent never got out of shape never cheated on his diet Never partied never drank never smoked never got fat always trained always Always in shape and also very intelligent with his boxing was super defensively responsible

Never he didn't fight like Hagler. We just weighed himself into the fire try to break guys Bernard was using like clever boxing and really good defense. Defense was number one. You didn't have to like his fights. Some of them in the beginning, people thought it was boring because he would hold on to guys and he wouldn't let the guys hit him. But he won fights and he didn't take a lot of damage. And so he was able to do it deep in their 40s. But most people, by the time you're 37, that's usually when the wheels start to fall off if you're natural. If you're natural.

The thing about today is with boxing, especially in the off season, no one can stop you from doing peptides and growth hormone and testosterone replacement. No one can stop you. As long as you're not getting Vata tested, and that usually generally they do that during camp, and as long as you're not getting randomly tested like you saw that used to do with the UFC where they just show up at your door, if you just get weighed in and then the State Athletic Commission drug tests you like in Nevada that's a intelligence test yeah you know that's there's that's how certain guys were able to like maintain their power going up in weight class

multiple divisions and for sure there's some Mexican supplements involved in that for sure yeah and then that's different so if you're doing peptides and hormone replacement and all that then you're doing peptides and hormone replacement and all that, then you're extending your athletic career deep, deep, deep into your 30s, and maybe even into your 40s. But combat sports are just a different animal. It's different than just running. You're getting hit.

And your ability to hit back is based on your ability to absorb punishment. And you can only have so many times that ticket can get punched before your chin goes, before you can't take it anymore. So it's like for fighters, it's very rare that a guy can perform at the highest level like in the late 30s. And Randy Couture, he did it. He didn't even start his career until I think he was 34 or yeah MMA fighter yeah no he went late beat Tim Sylvia in his 40s yeah yeah so what's your what's your training like nowadays because you're

shredded I'm doing a lot of a lot of kettlebells still always you know I'm doing that regularly I'm doing a lot of rucking too. Getting ready for elk season. I've been doing a lot of walk hills. There's a big hill in my yard that I like to walk to with farmers' carries and shit. Yeah, like down. This is that Tom Haviland guy that I've been following a lot from Australia.

And one of the things that he does, he carries stuff. And so I'll carry heavy shit and walk around The gym with it. There you go. I think there's something to that man really like for overall strength Yeah, but I've been doing no staying with a lot of the body weight stuff that I do I do a lot of that stuff with a weighted vest to a lot of chin-ups and dips and pull-ups and else L L pull-ups, you know we do Type and then lift legs out. Yeah, I'm doing a lot of those you know, where you do like you hold it tight and then lift the legs out. Yeah.

I'm doing a lot of those leg lifts too where you're hanging and just with a straight body and then lift your legs, you know, hinge at the hips, lift your toes all the way up to the top of the bar and then slowly drop them down and up and that. Doing a lot of that too. And just mixing that up with bag work and all the different things that I always like to do. But I've been super consistent. I've been real consistent. Gonna be ready for elk season?

Oh, fuck yeah. I'm excited. I'm already excited. How many elk hunts? I have two. One with you and one with Evan. That's generally what I do. But I have a lot of opportunities around Texas

for pig hunts, which is nice, because people are begging you to hunt pigs. Yeah, they're tearing up the land here. They just get, you know, like I got a text from a friend of mine the other day, who's a movie producer, and he's like, please come to my ranch and kill some of these pigs. They're just everywhere.

That sounds fun. Yeah, because they have to kill them. There's millions of them in Texas, and I'm not exaggerating. Yeah, and they just reproduce so quickly. Yeah, so the good thing about that is it really gets you tightened up for elk season. You know, you really get a lot of targets in. Bo's shooting good. And get some good sausage. Yeah, bow shooting great man

Yeah, always shooting great archery country archery country's going on there Is there public now it is now Yeah, that's exciting isn't it business partners, buddy. I know that's fun Yeah, and Evan and then Tyler's the man. So yeah, it's cool everybody together pretty exciting really fun Yeah, we got big plans's the man, so it's cool. Everybody together. Pretty exciting. Really fun. Yeah, we got big plans to do something really cool with a place here in Austin. That's exciting.

Yeah. A lot going on. It's a lot happening. Archery's so much fun. Oh, the best. Dude, I just got this set up. I just love shooting bows. You get another one?

Yeah, this is a brand. Why'd you get a different one? Well, I had to get it in the Sitka. Oh, that's nice Yeah, that does look good. So we had the origin on that. Is this 80? Yeah Yeah, it's a good-looking bow. Yeah, but yeah, so some changes had to get in the Sitka and we're yeah We're rocking. Oh, yeah, I got a, so you said True Ran and Origin Jeans. No he didn't. Not true.

I thought he did. Yeah. He's running, what's the company that he uses? It's called the Perfect Gene. Oh, I saw Jesse Michaels was repping those too in one of his YouTube videos. Mm, yeah. Anyway, so Origin liked your call out though.

So that's good. Oh, there it is. Yeah, there's a it is. There's a there's a perfect gene Yeah, well, there's a lot of people that make these great stretchy. Yeah, rev town makes a great pair a barbell makes great pair Yeah, but that he's so jacked for a guy who runs like that kind of time sub three-hour marathon Yeah, nobody looks like him that's running those look how jacked he is. Yeah, he's down to he just did Eugene So he said he got his fastest time ever in Boston on Monday Look at that No one's jacked like that doing fucking marathons and then also gets the world record in pull-ups

Yeah, and then he just beat that time six days later in Eugene. That's so he didn't so you normally under three hours As fast he did Eugene in 234. He came in seventh place in the Austin marathon and doesn't look anything like anybody else that's running. Everybody else looks like popsicle sticks. Yeah I mean part of it is like I told him when he was like that little guy I said hey running's your thing. Just so you know Running is gonna take you and he hated I used to cuz I'd made the kids run so you make a kid do something They're gonna hate it, right

So he kind of half-assed effort all through high school did pretty good was like all conferences of freshmen But that was as hard as he ever kind of worked. He just wanted to lift and he hated running. So I told him, I said, if you, if you work hard, you could run in college. I mean, for sure. And he's like, I don't want to run for four more years. He's like, so done with running though. Finally now, now he has this goal of running under a 230 marathon.

So that's in the 220s, which is fucking fast. And... What's like a world record? Oh, down two hours. Two hours. Right over, like... When did that become the world record? Like what did it used to be? Like what was like the world record in like 1999?

He did it again, Truett Haynes. Yeah, that's... Lost the marathon on 238. Right, he just beat that on Sunday in Eugene. Nuts. Yeah. But yeah, so his lowest time is what now? 234. But he'll get and there's Tanner. So Tanner did the Eugene Marathon in the middle at the bottom. That's my oldest son with 35 pounds. What yeah, so he and in combat boots Oh my Jake that's so crazy both wore these big packs and still ran it in the force Wow Yeah, so that's tenor combat boots. That's fucking not so these guys truest wearing jeans in a in a wife beater true Tanner's in a pack and hunting and combat boots.

Hilarious. I wonder how the normies view that. I wonder if that bothers them, all those dorks. No, the elite runners hate people like Truett. They call them runfluencers. Because part of it is the elites work so hard, they're so good and it's hard to get a following when you're just a runner.

So they see this guy and they're like, they can beat him because they're world class, going to the Olympics, so Truett isn't there yet, but they're like, this fucking jack dork is running and getting all this there's articles on them everywhere and so that's why it's it's kind of the gatekeeping thing well that's funny because then the haters work for him because it's unbelievably impressive it's impressive I don't give a fuck what you say oh I don't like these people they're the runfluencers come on man the

guy has the world chin-up record. He's obviously a freak. Yeah He's obviously doing something that's very very extraordinary And if you don't want that because you know it's fair. Oh, it's it's only for us Yeah Yeah Fuck off yeah, they they don't so true it in the Eugene got 25th place. I mean Eugene is like the rank capital of the world, but Interesting so in 1908 it was two hours and 55 minutes. So in 1908 true it would have the world record. Yeah in

1956 down to two hours and 17 minutes years later, 2003 two hours and four minutes and then 2018 two hours and one minute. So yeah, between three and 18 in 15 years, they only lost three minutes. Yeah. Isn't that wild? Yeah. I mean, you get to the you're just not going to get those big gains after. Right. I mean, someone would have to be a fucking freak to drop under two hours right so they they did this with I think he got under two hours here Wow

and he had all these Pacers and people breaking the wind for him see oh I think it's could Kipchoge yeah he's like in white so that doesn't count as much well breaking the wind for right you can't have official pacers just if you're not racing them. Oh, there were pacers for him I'm just this is this is this is the Ineos Pace challenge. So Ineos is that company that makes that grenadier. Have you seen that truck? No, it's kind of a funny story Ineos is like a chemical company and the guy loved Range Rover Land Cruiser Defenders, okay and Wanted to remake them when they stopped making them. They said no, he's like tried to buy their factory like no

So he's like, okay, I'll make my own so he basically made a better Defender So this is these are new trucks that are way more durable way better quality Than those like if you get one of those classic defenders Yeah, they look cool, but it's when you shut the door on them. It feels like you're closing a garbage can Oh, I see they feel like junk and they feel like these things are tanks are built there. Well, they're built Specifically for off-roading. Oh, I see. But it's a brand new truck. I never heard of them. Right. I know it looks like a classic Defender, but it's actually way better, way better. Like I've saw one in the flesh. I was like, oh, this thing is super legit, like

heavier gauge steel, like really tight tolerances. And I've watched a bunch of videos on them. They're all outfitted. Like you could take one of those hunting for sure they're outfitted with electricity like in the back They're all set up where you could put like coolers back there like like a little refrigerator Yeah, and they're all they're literally from the factory set up for outdoors Like you don't have to do nothing to them. You could take them, do moab with them, take them out into the fucking, the woods and go. We can still have hinnisies, like sweet them up a little bit.

Yeah, it doesn't have nearly the kind of horsepower that a Raptor has or anything like that. It's like, I think they only have like 300 horsepower, 200, which is not a lot, but it's the durability of the things and like the purpose-built This guy just because that's the same company in use. Okay, that's the who's that's a challenge that race Yeah, that's that's what that company is. Yeah, so I bet about the goal was to try to break two hours in that race So he did he got down to 159. I think he did Pacers. Yeah, so it's possible for someone to do that without a pacer

That's what it kind of showed seems like it. Yeah It's it's super fast. That's so crazy super fast. Yeah, it's like what what one Eugene was? 217 so still like what was the world record back in was that the 50, the 50s? That's what won Eugene still. So that'll still win most marathons. Yeah. But. Fuck. Yeah, it's flying.

And the amount of work you have to do to get to that fast. That's what I do sympathize with the pro runners because the work you have to put in to be elite. Whatever. You get what you deserve. This in to be elite. Whatever. You get what you deserve. This is what you get in life, what you deserve. Yeah, hey, throw some jeans on if you don't like it. Yeah, you don't like the fact that he's getting attention

because he's a handsome guy who's jacked, he's wearing jeans, fuck off. Do you think Courtney cares about that? No. Right, do you think she would be focusing on other people? That's people that want more than they're getting Well, we have gatekeepers and hunting too, I don't know if you knew that yeah allegedly there's gatekeepers and everything There's well, there's always people that compare themselves to other people. And then they don't

like what they find. So they try to find flaws in that other person. Yeah, that's what it is. You know, there's just that. But that's that with literature, filmmaking, music, comedy, yeah, fill in the blanks. There's always bitches. There's always bitches out there. And what a bitches do they bitch, they bitch about everything. Yeah that's up to 30 marathon at 20 25 or die Yeah, so that he's gonna get it I mean there's no there's no doubt he's gonna get it He broke the world pull-up record. He did ten thousand pull-ups in four hours. That's nuts. And so

People are saying like oh Peds or EP, it's like we were at breakfast after the marathon. I'm like, I don't even know what the fuck EPO stands for. Do you? I don't know, but I know what it does. Well, it's supposed to make more red blood cells, right? Yeah, that's what, you know,

a lot of the Tour de France people were doing. Yeah. They're doing EPO and blood doping. That's as much as I know about it. So I'm like, we were at breakfast and I'm like, do you think somebody in fucking Springfield, Oregon has EPO, what are you guys talking about? You could get it, but I don't think he's on it.

But the thing is like fighters have been popped for it. EPO's real, yeah. I think that's actually what TJ Dillashaw got popped for. Oh, is that? Yes,J. Dillashaw fought Henry So who don't when he got all the way down to flyweight The thing about that though is I understand why T.J. Did that because T.J. Was literally starving himself He's trying to get to 125. Yes, starving himself to death

Because he would have to cut a lot of weight to make 135 so he had this idea that he was going to become a two division champion and drop down to 25 and he was just a dead man. He had nothing left and it probably shortened his career. It really probably did because he looked like hell and then Henry Sohuto took him out in the first round. You know, when you put, so this, I'm not trying to compare me at all, but I was losing weight, trying, intentionally trying to get lighter for these races coming up.

So I was, my same theory of burning 4,000, eating 3,000. So a thousand calorie deficit a day, which is fine for regular life. But when you're put, I was also running a hundred miles a week. That's what my ham, my body just wasn't getting what it needed, but I was still trying to push hard. Right. That's why I got injured.

What do you, what did you want your goal weight to be? 55. So at one 55, then you feel like it's easier to run. What's the most you've ever weighed and run like a hundred mile or oh Probably like 80 180. Yeah, what was that? Like is hard? Yeah Because I think about that a lot of times when I'm wearing my weight vest Because I have one of those outdoorsman's packs Yeah, let's get the post on the back and I played I put a 45 pound plate on it

And so the the pack probably weighs like five pounds and then the plates, so it's 50 pounds. That's like a normal thing that people have to lose. It's a normal thing. And I'm walking up hills with this thing, I'm like, this sucks, this sucks. And this isn't even that heavy. And some people, they have to lose 100 pounds.

Like what do your joints feel like, man? Because it hurts my feet. Yeah, I mean you saw it, Jelly Rolls lost like 200 now. I know. 200 pounds. He threw his phone away. He threw his phone away.

Did he get it back? I think he got it back. Oh no. I've been seeing some social media posts. Well, I think he's got a guy who does that. Oh, yeah, that might be. I reached out to him and it came up green. I was like, hmm, that's weird. I did too. So then I reached out to him and it came up green. I was like, hmm. Yeah, I did too

Then I reached out to him on Instagram and his social media guy says I'll get this message to jelly roll But he got rid of his phone. Oh good. He had the same phone forever And you know years of drinking in bars and giving out his number because he's so nice He gave out his number to everybody and apparently everybody was just blowing his phone up all day long and he's a superstar now and it's just like overwhelming. And I think like a lot of people, he was dealing with social media addiction, I'm sure. And then he's on this path to lose weight and get healthy. And so he just decided, chuck that phone away.

Fuck these phones. No phone. Good move. I mean, he looks so good right now. He looks great He looks he's the opposite of Burt. He's the nicest fucking guy ever He's not the opposite of Burt. They're gonna meet in the middle He's still got some ways to go. Burt will get he'll be back on I and I do have to give Burt props He is strong. Oh, he's strong. Yeah. He's strong. So he benched a lot.

He beat me in benching. Did he really? Yeah. What did he bench? He did like 225, like 13, 10 times, something like that. Damn. Yeah. That's impressive, because back in the sober October days,

when we're talking about, when he had that challenge, he couldn't do it once. Really? Yeah, he couldn't do 225 once. Because we all had like this little contest, like who can do 225? And he couldn't do it once really he couldn't do 225 once Because we all had like this little contest like who can do 225 and he couldn't do it at all He's on PD. Yeah. He is for sure. He's definitely on testosterone No, he's strong, but he's he works hard and he I just drinks hard, too I think I heard him say on here that he did pull back my my 80 pound bow. Did he? Yeah, that's impressive

I know I'm telling you that's a pretty strong because you know who couldn't pull back my bow pound bow. Did he? Yeah. That's impressive. I know, I'm telling you, he's pretty strong. Cause you know who couldn't pull back my bow? Alexander Gustafson. Really? He fought in the UFC at 205. Yeah, he's huge. Yeah, he couldn't pull the bow back. Pulling the bows.

He's like, is there a trick to this? I go, no, here's the trick. Yeah, just pull that fucker back. Yeah, pull that fucker back. Yeah, yeah. I do it a hundred times a day. It's, yeah, I mean, if people haven't done it, it's tough. I started incorporating, and this is probably a good thing

for anybody who shoots archery a lot to do, I started incorporating what you told me, which was cable rows standing up while holding a 10 pound weight. Yeah. And it's making a world of difference, because I was developing a pretty severe imbalance, and then by being a meathead,

I was pushing through this tendon pain that I was developing on my right lower side from just stabilizing and holding this 85 pound bow, all these reps only one way. And it's like, that's not smart. So I started switching it over. However many times I pull the bow back with my right arm, I'll do that same amount with cable rows

while holding this 10 pound weight out. And it's made all the difference in the world. Cause now I have tendon problems on my left side too. So it balances it out. Perfect. Not really, it's not. But I do feel like a lot of soreness on that side when I do these long sessions.

I'm hitting it. You're hitting it, Elise. And then I'm doing a lot of soreness on that side when I do these long sessions. I'm hitting it. You're hitting it, Elise, yeah. And then I'm doing a lot of back extensions, and here's the big one, that reverse hyper. I've talked about that machine before. That machine is a goddamn life changer. But dude, you have everything here. It's nice.

Yeah, it's nice. I have to go to like four different places to get everything you have here. Yeah, the gym is pretty sweet. It's set up real nice. That reverse hyper is so big though because it pulls the back. It's decompressing on the downswing. And you stack the weight on there, I like to get about, so I have two 45s on each side and lately I've been sticking an additional 25 on each side. So a lot of weight.

So you're doing this swing up, so it strengthens the hamstrings and the lower back muscles, and then on a swing down, it's like pulling it, like stretching it out. And then I like to do that Dex machine where you hang from your hips, you swing down, and you're just decompressing the back. And I've been doing deep stretches in the sauna every day.

Every day. Instead of just sitting in the sauna for 25 minutes, now I'm doing like heavy stretches. It's fucking so hard to do when it's 195 in there. You do the water? No. What? I need that fucking water.

You got to do the steam, dude. It's so hot in there, dude. I do it same thing, but you got to do the water. No You gotta do the steam is so hot and I do it same thing, but you gotta do stretching No, you don't even stretch it. I'll show you your hamster. Did you push up in there sometimes? Oh But I want to get an exercise bike in there. Oh, I know people there's a mine is too narrow That's a sauna that's set up that way Like it's called a fit sauna or something that Laird Hamilton has a air dyne bike in his yeah He's got oven mitts. He puts oven mitts on and rides the air dyne with other be sick, dude I would be sick. Yeah, I love doing the sauna then right into the cold plunge. Yeah, it's nice. It's nice

That's my I do I'm almost always doing the cold plunge first That's that's the beginning of the workout is cold punch. And then this whole body weight thing that I do to warm back up, 100 pushups, 100 sit ups. And now I added 100 kettlebell swings. So I do three sets of 20, three sets of 20, or five sets of 20, five sets of 20, five sets of 20. But I do them like one, two, three.

So I do like first pushups, then bodyweight Scott and then I do five five cycles So it's a hundred of everything and then by that time I'm warmed up. It's like 15 to 500 reps or How many movements three movements a hundred each three hundred reps so 300 three, you know A hundred swings a hundred push-ups hundred bodyweight squats and then did I hear no drinking anymore no drinking for like two plus months now Yeah, I'm never going back. I mean I will maybe I'll have a glass of wine somewhere if I feel like it like I'm not an alcoholic, yeah, but uh I Feel stupid for waiting this long. Yeah, cuz like I would have these days like cuz you know a nightclub I have a bar we go to the club we do some shows have a couple of cocktails with the boys

Have a bunch of laughs do a podcast have some whiskey have some laughs and then the next day like yeah And I'd be going through my workouts going oh you fucking moron. What have you done? Yeah, and you know and I you know do the hyperbaric and drink a lot of electrolytes and try to flush it out But if you're concentrating on improving your health and your fitness, why are you poisoning yourself? Yeah, sabotaging yourself, but you also start thinking well, that's the only way to have fun You have to have fun too, but no it's not changing my fun. Goggins doesn't have fun. Well, he's different. He's not having fun. He's not trying to have fun.

I'm trying to have fun. Part of my job is fun. Fun is a prerequisite. As a comedian, you have to be having fun. As part of the fun of comedy is enjoying it. You enjoy it, they enjoy it, everybody enjoys it. It's fun. And so I thought maybe it would be less fun if I was so it's not it's not any less fun sober

It's just as fun And it's just I feel better and this is the one of things that I've always tried to tell all these Comedians and you know I bring them a bunch of them in here and work out with them We have these comedian workout sessions that we were doing and you know Shane comes in here all the time and works out on his own and so does Derek and Assan and all these guys from the club but if you have more energy you will have more energy on stage. If you have more energy you can do more shows, you can do multiple shows a night and you don't get fatigued.

Like it carries over into comedy. Like your body and your brain are inextricably connected. If your body functions better, your brain will function. But it's like, it's not rocket science. It's real simple. It's just nobody wants to do it because everybody, you can be the best comedian ever and never lift a weight and never work out.

But if the best comedian ever did that too, I bet they would be better. I bet they'd be better at everything in life I would think yeah It doesn't mean that like the best person has to do that. Otherwise, you won't be the best person No, there could be someone who's just so funny. It doesn't matter They could be fat as fuck and be hilarious and barely walk you know and just be so funny just because they're just gifted and they put a lot of time into comedy, but If they were healthier healthier they'd feel better they'd enjoy life more and they'd

probably be better at everything they do not just comedy yeah everything yeah I just I mean on a different level it's like when I was trying to lose that weight to get lighter I came here the last time I saw you we saw you at Ways To Well but I try to do everything perfect, but just being on the road, traveling to Texas and going back, I could not get my body weight back down for like four days. Wow.

From, and it's not like I was drinking or eating donuts. Just road food. Yeah, just, you know, you go to that, that steak place at the hotel I'm staying at, really good. Remember those big steaks we had? Yeah. And I'm staying at, really good, remember those big steaks we had? And I'm like eating this meat going, how much fucking sugar is on this thing? I mean, they put brown sugar on it.

That's why it tastes so good. Which place is that? You ate there. Which place is that? Me, you, Evan, and Tyler. It's at Omni, Barton Creek Omni. Right, oh, Bob's. Bob's. No, they don't put sugar on

their steaks something is on there well you're eating that carrot that carrots used to be glazed he's that fucking carrots awesome that carrots the size of a football like where what fucking lab in China they grow on them I know okay but the meat has something should has to have sugar on it. It's too good. Really? No. Yes. I don't think so. Okay, well then why could I not get my body weight back? I think you're eating mashed potatoes and stuff too. You're eating a bunch of other stuff as well.

I don't think their steaks have sugar on them. I think they do. R.F.K. thinks they do too. Bob's is great. He's banning them. He's banning Bob's. There's so many good restaurants out here. Yeah, there Yeah. This fucking town has so many good places to eat. Yeah. But my point was, if you deviate a little bit from a disciplined, perfect diet, it takes a while. So your body is, point is to all that, your body's so fucking sensitive. When you get so dialed in on everything man you really really

realize how little it takes to throw you off yeah so imagine drinking well that's the thing poison everybody yeah everybody I know that has an aura ring or wears a whoop strap like if you wear a whoop strap you know it'll show you how much you recovered through the night yeah And if you drink, you will notice a big dip if you have one cocktail. One cocktail will be a big dip in the amount of recovery you have. You won't even notice it.

You'll be like, ah, I wasn't even drunk, I wasn't drinking. Well, if you're not trying to perform and do something, you won't notice it. Like a regular person at a regular job, maybe you'll feel like a little sluggish, but it's when you start to like work out and perform and run and you're like looking at these times or you're on the scale

and you're like what the fuck is going on? Yeah. Crazy. Well most people are just used to feeling like garbage. Well think about most people's diet and if they just cleaned up their diet and then just cut out all the nonsense, cut out all the processed food, cut out all the sugar, cut out all the sugary drinks, and just drink water and eat healthy, pure, whole foods.

You would feel so much better, but most people aren't doing that. So they're accustomed. They think this is what you're supposed to feel like. This is life. It's like having water in your ear, and then you forget, and then it pops,

and like, oh, fuck, I can hear now. They're walking through life with water in your ear and you forget and then it pops Oh in here now, right like they're walking through life with water in their ear. I think this is what it sounds like But it's just you're poisoning yourself Yeah If you're eating the standard American diet if you're eating fucking burgers and fries drinking soda and eating candy you are Poisoning yourself. I went I was coming back from and I don't, I think I was dying of thirst. So I usually take like a visa in my shorts so I can buy something. But anyway, I went into Fred Meyer back there at home

and I never go shopping. I don't even remember the last time I was in a grocery store. I don't, but I was walking down the aisles of a regular grocery store and I was like, holy shit, I wanna eat all this stuff. It looks, it's fucking terrible, but looks as bright colors. It's just like, every aisle,

I don't know what I was looking for, supposedly something to drink, but I don't know what, but I just kept walking down the aisles going, I haven't eaten any of this shit in so long, but it looks so good. And then I was thinking, that's what most people are buying and eating. The shit. No wonder you feel terrible. and so long but it looks so good. And then I was thinking, that's what most people are buying and eating. Yeah.

The shit. Yeah. No wonder you feel terrible. Yeah, most of what you're eating in the supermarket, most of what you can buy in the supermarket is terrible for you. Yeah. The whole center area.

Right. Is all bullshit. Yeah. You know, unless it's like tomato sauce or whatever. And even that, a lot of that is like seed oils in it. If you buy it from a shitty company, it's a lot of garbage And even that, a lot of that has seed oils in it if you buy it from a shitty company. It's a lot of garbage. People are eating a lot of garbage.

And that's the average person. And then you have a doctor, like you don't need vitamins. Just have a balanced diet. Shut up, you fucking slob. You doughy sack of shit with old information. Well, so here's the point that I just remembered my point. So I was trying to buy donuts because I was doing an ultra marathon the next day.

So you saw like me and Courtney running. Normally it doesn't matter what type of calories when you're working that hard. You just need calories and salt. And sugar. So I'm like, I'm gonna get some old fashioned donuts because I was gonna do this 50K. I'm like, that'd be perfect calories.

So you know where I found the donuts? In the fucking produce over there with the vegetables. So they're like hiding little treasures. You're trying to be healthy. Like, I'll get a fucking apple. Then you like look at an old fashioned donut. You're like, fuck this apple. I'm going to get these donuts.

So they still sabotage you. Yeah, I wonder if there's like a marketing strategy involved in that. I wonder if they's like a marketing strategy involved in that. I wonder if they had like a meeting like look people are trying to eat well, but we can fuck them. The algorithm. Yeah, yeah, it's like the algorithm. It really is kind of like the algorithm. They're predicting everything.

That's the other thing I've been doing. I'm basically off of social media. All I'm doing is I will I still allow myself to look at it if I'm taking a shit. I'll look but try not to like linger so now every time you send me something I know you're shitty most likely or someone says I'm tainted or someone said well I didn't send you I sent you YouTube videos that's different okay I watched I was watching that actually at home on TV okay I was watching that on the big

screen yeah because you know I was interested like last night in watching, every night is a different, if I get like some down time and I can relax a little bit and watch something on TV, sometimes I like watching a show, a fiction show like Mobland or something like that, but sometimes I get on these kicks where I wanna watch certain things. Last night it was like old school fighters training.

You know, and I just got, I went down this rabbit hole. I watched old school Sugar Ray Robinson too. That was amazing. He was another one, super dedicated to his craft. Again, trained harder than anybody, but also trained smarter. He would move different than people, because he was a dancer.

He actually retired from fighting for a brief period of time just to be a dancer and performed like in like dance shows Wow, and then went back to fighting, but so he could move man and footwork. Yeah, but it was like it was intentional It wasn't it was all like there were certain moves that he would he had programmed into his Footwork and movement in his balance his ability to get out of the way. And he was fighting at a time where those guys were fighting like every couple of weeks. Yeah, they fought a lot. Crazy.

What's your, so you said fighting sometimes, but what is your go-to on YouTube? Do you think you watch most? If I want to just zone out, it's professional pool. I like watching professional pool. I like watching professional pool. Because I still, that's my number one addiction is playing pool.

So that comes up on your recommended list on YouTube? Yeah, mostly pool and then ancient civilizations. Ancient civilizations is number two. I love watching videos on these mysteries where they're just uncovering. I was watching this whole thing in Malta, about Malta the other day, where they found these elongated skulls in Malta

that are missing the characteristics of a normal human skull. So a normal human skull has, I think it's called a sagittal crest. There's a line that goes down the middle like this. It's like, you know, like as you're growing as a baby, you have like these plates in your head that move around and they expand as your head grows and there's like lines. So there's a line that goes straight, there's a line that goes like this across.

These heads don't have that. They don't have the line that goes straight, but they're elongated human skulls and they have a line that goes in the back, but they don't have the line that goes straight. But they're elongated human skulls, and they have a line that goes in the back, but they don't have the line that goes down the center. And they're trying to make sense of this. Like, what is this? What is this? And Malta is a giant mystery. Malta is this island that used to be at one point in time before the flood, it was connected to Sicily. They know Neanderthals lived there, like thousands of years before recorded civilization. But they didn't think homo sapiens did.

But they found these elongated skulls that are different than any human skull. Then they found these incredible stone constructions, these stone buildings and immense stones that have crazy erosion on them that they think is more than 6,000 years of erosion. So they're trying to figure out like, what happened? Like what is this? How old is this? Is this from before the flood? Is this when before the ice age?

Like what the fuck is this stuff? And why are these elongated skulls there? Yeah, that's nuts bizarre stuff. Yeah bizarre stuff because it's like there's so many mysteries in terms of like the human race and And how long people have been building things and every now and then they'll uncover something that pushes everything back Mm-hmm, like they used to think the first people in North America were like 13,000 years ago's clovus first have been building things. And every now and then they'll uncover something that pushes everything back. Like they used to think the first people in North America were like 13,000 years ago, Clovis first.

Then they found these footprints in New Mexico that are 22,000 years old. So like, well, OK. Scratch that. Well, that's not number one. That's not like the first person to come here. There's like probably people even before that. Yeah.

But there's very little information. And then there's this like crazy stone wall that they found in, Montana hmm, and it was on private property and No one even knew it was there and these people they just were clearing some land and they found this fucking wall This thing it's I think it's called the sage wall fucking wall This thing it's I think it's called the sage wall In Montana, but these immense stones that looks like they were placed there Who knows how long and there's people arguing? Oh, this is like natural this this is it. Whoa What the fuck is that dude?

So that was all covered with tree by the way, it goes deep into the ground too It goes like ten feet deep into the ground Wow, so they're like, okay, is this a natural formation? It doesn't look natural. It looks like human beings placed those stones. Yeah, it looks like it was placed there. It's really weird, man. And look, there's like weird stuff about it like that. Someone made that, that has a circle that's carved into it.

And then there's like the the P the the that sort of structure that looks like it's the outline of it right so There's a lot of arguments like that one photograph right there that photographs fucking crazy Yeah, is that fake looks that one's fake. Are you sure the rest of them? well, let's see which one is fake and which one isn't. Because some of them, that one on the upper left hand is definitely real. And these, like I said, these go down deep. They've done like, they've used machinery or sensors to find out how deep that goes.

And it goes like 10 feet down deep into the ground. Look at that one with the rock on top of it, that flat rock up there. What is that? Yeah. There's a lot of weird, weird stuff when it comes so if this is man-made how fucking old is that yeah like how old is that there's nothing else there just that wall yeah like or maybe is there other because they didn't even know this exists that I think it was till the 90s

96 yeah so what other stuff is out there that people haven't uncovered that is covered with that I think it was till the 90s. Wow. 96. 96? Yeah. So what other stuff is out there that people haven't uncovered that is covered with ground? It's another thing they're finding out about the rainforest. They used to think the Amazon rainforest was like these little patching tribes of people. Well, there's a guy that visited in the 1500s, and he said that there was like these crazy temples and these huge structures and cities with millions of people and then new explorers went a hundred years later and

they found none of these things because that fucking first guy probably gave everybody diseases and killed the entire continent which is nuts. Like probably killed everybody that lived in the Amazon. Like the Amazon, I was watching another documentary on this the other night, they found these LIDAR, so this LIDAR, they fly over it and they use these sensors to detect these structures that are deep in the rainforest that are covered with trees and they're finding all of these corridors and squares and things that seem to indicate irrigation and structures like this is nuts. Wow. So there was like millions of people living in the Amazon and some dirty

Europeans came over in the 1500 and gave them their cooties and they all died out. Yeah. Just like what happened with most of the Native Americans like most people think like most people don't know But the Native Americans like 90% of the Native Americans were killed by disease That 90% of the population died off by disease, which is crazy Yeah, millions of people living this nomadic life in North America while the Renaissance is going on over in Europe. These people are using flint arrowheads and nuts. They didn't even have horses. They didn't even have horses until the Europeans came over and brought them.

The whole thing's crazy. Yeah it is. That's what I'm watching a lot of. That's your go-to? Yeah, I'm just absolutely fascinated by ancient civilizations and then these mysteries, like the pyramids and these structures they found under the pyramid. Have you seen that? Yeah. That's crazy. What is that? I've heard talk about it, basically.

I don't know if it's right. I don't know if it's wrong. I mean, I know some people think it's nonsense, but the researchers seem to think that they've they've done multiple scans And gotten the same results over and over again And they're like whatever these things are there's pillars and there's spirals around the pillars and It goes deep into the ground and the whole structure is two Kilometers deep yeah, I heard I think I heard you talk about that. I heard that. I thought it was fake Deep yeah, I heard I think I heard you talk about that. I heard that I thought it was fake

Some people think that it can't be real because there's a water table underneath the great pyramid But the question is is it real and there's a water table is this shit in the water? Yeah, because it's so it was were these people so advanced they built these insane structures two kilometers deep through the water Because look at they look it's nuts that they could make the pyramid. I know, that still doesn't make sense. The pyramid itself is nuts. All the structures, the temple of Luxor, all that stuff is crazy. So if they could make that, why are we assuming

that that's the pinnacle of crazy? Like there might be crazier below the surface that is like- We haven't found yet. Right, imagine if everybody thought that the most advanced buildings that were ever created were like buildings they built in Chicago in the 1800s. Wow, look at this, this is a, what craftsmanship. Boy, people had reached an incredible level of ability.

And then someone stumbles upon the pyramid and they're like, the pyramid, they go, okay, wait. What the fuck is this? There's 2,300,000 stones in this and they weigh between two and 80 tons and they're cut from a quarry hundreds of miles away, some of them, move through the mountains, like how?

So that's crazy. And imagine we think, well, this is the height of crazy. Well, you go under the surface of it, below the ground get what is this two kilometer deep structure? Yeah, that's even crazy That makes that look simple, right? It's well, then these people just move in stones How the fuck did they get it through the water? What I think of when I hear that is could you imagine the hunting back then? Oh my god an epic probably but you have shitty bows You didn't have a nice bow. Yeah Yeah, if you had this sick bow, oh my god if you had a modern bow back then

Yeah, there's two things that I thought of but you know when when bears get old they get a crease in there School yeah, so it's like when you're talking about that skull. I was wondering if it was age-related I don't I don't see how the lines would disappear but no the lines wouldn't disappear that was the argument of this video that I was watching see if you can find any of those elongated skulls of Malta there was yeah I'm seeing urban legend they talked about ten years ago they were on display they weren't on display yeah but they're definitely not an urban legend because this was I was watching an

actual archaeologist discussing these things. And then there was an alternative guy that was discussing and saying that the issue is with these lines in the skull don't exist in these skulls. But they were all admit that these skulls, well, there's different ones. This is ancient aliens. I just Googled multi skulls. Just go with They're all that's I'm saying is there's different stuff that comes up all the way from

Malta websites to talk about it because this is something that people would want to go see right let's click on that one See if you if they have any images on display because like this is Accepted by actual archaeologists that there's because human beings have been doing weird stuff with skulls. So that's it right there. So you see how that skull has that line through the top? Most skulls have a line straight down the middle too. That's how human skulls are. So this is weird. These are... now also, here's the thing, could totally be a human that has genetic anomalies. Like there's these people in Africa that have, they call them ostrich feet people. There's this weird genetic anomaly that this whole village has where their feet, instead of having five, like a big toe and four little toes, they have like

branched off like an ostrich. Like it looks really strange. And that's real? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's totally real. And it's real today, but it's a genetic anomaly and it's been passed on through these people in this one tribe, in this one area. So it's like someone had it, so it could be that, right? It could be that that skull looks weird because these people were just born weird. Right, yeah.

You know, some people are born with giant noses. Some people have huge heads. that skull looks weird because these people were just born weird. Right, yeah. Some people are born with giant noses. Some people have huge heads. Some people are like seven feet tall for no reason. Big dicks. Yeah, giant hogs. You know, it's like- We've been- We vary.

Conflicted with that. Yeah, humans vary quite a bit. So it could be that that's why that skull looks that way, but it is absolutely fascinating. And one of the things that they keep finding is new versions of human beings, which is really weird. Like they found the Denisovans. I think they found those in like 2010.

And then there was, what is the recent ones, Jamie, that we were talking about that have the big heads? There's these big headed, like, not homo sapien, but like cousins of homo sapiens that, they just found these like really recently, within the last few years. They're like, okay, this is, we thought these were Denisovans, this is a totally different branch. And so there's multiple branches of human beings that coexisted along with homo sapiens

and Neanderthals for a long ass time. Yeah. Scientists may have discovered a new form of ancient humans known as large head people. So this is in December of 2024. The Julu-Ren, Julu-Ren, Julu-Ren, large headed people. So they took like these skulls and tried to make like a recreation of what they look like. they took like these skulls and tried to make like a Like a recreation of what they look like and they look like these jacked Looking hairy cave people. They look pretty badass. That's not her. She looks hot I should look at anything like that. You wouldn't survive back then if you looked like that

No, she even find like an image of what they've recreated because the image looks pretty cool I was so where does hunting videos fit in your YouTube algorithm? No, I watched those two. That's I watch You know, I watch all yours. Of course. I watch a lot of different I was watching Remy's some of Remy's videos last night that one in the the one right there. Yeah They there's a video of one standing up see these fine images there's one that we looked at before where the dudes are standing up and he looks super yeah that's it so this super jacked god Harry dude thick ass bones yeah like Neanderthals like they were way different than us they were way

more jacked than us he looks like a beast doesn't he yeah had to be to survive he made an arrowhead it looked like he had in his hand or something yes Humpton you know I mean Neanderthals they did art you know they made cave art some of the cave art they know for sure was Neanderthals and some of it is pretty slightly different rendering whoa that's what they look like Fred Flintstone kind of bro those things would have fucked us up imagine that guy in the UFC you'd be like oh Jesus imagine the guy on the That's what they look like Fred Flintstone kind of bro those things would have fucked us up Imagine that guy in the UFC be like oh Jesus imagine the guy on the right has to fight the guy on the left Are you fucking kidding me? Not good. So this is like this big dense. It's kind of weird that we survived

Especially if you look at some of those marathon runners like imagine those people survive with while that thing's around. Those things probably ate people. Like look at that, that's what they think they looked like. God. Fuck. Yeah, that'd be rough. Super dense, giant, jacked human beings. That one in the corner was walking to the right, far right, yeah look at that.

Like that's what they think they look like. Yeah. Fuck that. Imagine you walk through the woods, you see that dude there. That's that's where fuck What is fascinating to know is like that's what I do like about the endurance stuff that we're doing is those people do imagine How far they can get in a day? Oh, yeah, probably hundreds of miles. And so nowadays We're so far the other way. Yeah, where if Where if you walk a mile, you've done something. Well, you're eating everything in the middle of the supermarket.

Yeah. And you're watching video games, playing video games all day. Some kids aren't even playing video games. They're watching other people play video games. Right. That's what's like, it's pretty cool to think about. We're still making our bodies go, say,

this 250 mile race I mean, that's kind of cool. Yeah, it is cool But back then they probably did that shit all the time all the time. So we're built for that Yeah, you know what I mean? They probably had to though Of course they had to but like human as humans as a species are built for endurance So that's what I like about those events. Right. It's like this is what we're supposed to be doing. Well, persistence hunting. Yeah. That's pretty crazy. Yeah. Where you just chase an animal down because animals don't

sweat and people do. So you can't outrun them in a sprint. No. But if you just keep chasing them, eventually they die. Yeah, stay on them. And then you just stab them when they're out of breath and you eat them You got to be either an open country where you keep eyes on them or build a track them really well Isn't that crazy that that was a strategy that humans employed just chase them until they run out of the can still run it Yeah, I think they still do it. I bet that's where some of the best marathon runners come out of to yeah for sure You know, yeah, it's a those they're so good at tracking in Africa because of that. It's just like they can stay on

those tracks with no blood or anything because you know that's that's the name of the game keep your eyes on them. Yeah and wear them out. That's what it's always fascinating to me how guys can just look at the ground and see footprints where I don't see shit. Yeah. And some guys that are just really good at it man. Yeah I mean they can they can follow tracks like across just solid rock. What? Just looking at little scuffs. They can see little scuffs from the hooves. That's crazy. I've been over there you know hunting quite a bit and I would sit just as you just said like what are you seeing and so I would would ask them, it's hard because they speak Swahili,

so you gotta, it's hard figuring it out, but I was there for three weeks one time, so I kinda got dialed in. But, so I would ask, what are we looking at here? What are you seeing? Or it's just how grass, grass will go a certain way, and then if it's not that certain way, it's because something made it. Something pushed it out of the way. Even if it's not that certain way, it's because something made it.

Something pushed it out of the way. Even if it's just a little bit of grass. You just look for these moments. The small little tells. Wow. Yeah, so it's like, being so, that's another reason why I love the mountains, love being out, it's just you have to be so,

if you're gonna be good at it, in tune with everything. You have to be sensitive to almost everything. That's how you can get within bow range of an animal and get it killed or find it after you've put an arrow in it. It's like you're just deciphering all this information. Some people are good, some people aren't, but mostly it's experience related. Those people have learned in Africa, have learned from the best trackers there are. We haven't had to be that good here, but I've wanted to develop that skill and just get better. But it's like it's noticing the little minute details. Someone had a really good argument. Do you remember who it was, Jamie, where they were talking about the invention of the bow and arrow and they were saying the odds of this happening

simultaneously all over the world are very unlikely and that what's much more likely is that someone developed that technology and was traveling Hmm and that when you go back to the earliest use of the bow, which I don't know when that was Do you know when that was? Mm-hmm. Let's guess what would you would you guess how many thousands of years ago they figure out the bow and arrow oh my three thousand I would say I mean it has to be before pyramids yeah the pyramids are five thousand or four thousand five hundred that's the conventional I mean so many people think it's older than that say ten,000 10,000 years for the bow and arrow So that means that someone had to be traveling because like the Native Americans had it the Polynesians had it Like everybody had it right the Africans had it like everyone had the bow and arrow Europeans had it when was Mongolians

Oh, that was the 1200s though the rise of Genghis Khan was like the 1200s 1200 to the 1300s Yeah, they had crazy. Yeah, they did 160 pound pull Yeah, they were fucking people up with those bows. Yeah, those guys they say that their skeletons were distorted You know like I'm talking about like I'm trying to balance out my body because I'm pulling too much forearm would get yeah everything was jacked their shoulders their back everything was like toward torqued and twisted. What was the so let's guess what did we say? I said 10. 10,000 years? You said? I'm gonna say five. Okay. I believe what I just stumbled across is the earliest people known to have used bows and

arrows were the ancient Egyptians who adopted archery in approximately 2800 BC. Okay, so roughly 4800 plus years ago, roughly guessing. So how does it get to North America? How do those people get it? So if the Native Americans, if we have evidence of human beings living in New Mexico 22,000 years ago, when did they pick up the bow? Who got it to them? Because by the time Columbus came in the 1400s, they already had it. So where'd they get it? Who taught them that? Yeah. Where'd they get it? Did they figure it out independently to put

feathers as fletchings and to put a Yeah, look at that cool picture from Egypt. Wow. That's crazy. Right. So were the Egyptians traveling all the way to to North America? Like who I don't know. Who figured it out first? They had some sick stuff. Do you remember who it was, Jamie? I was looking, I changed the question, so I went down the other route. It was a fascinating conversation,

because I never considered it until they brought it up. They said, I don't think the bow and arrow just, he goes, I think that's technology that was shared. Which is a great argument for world travelers yeah I was always thinking about was there land bridges that we don't know about I don't know. Well there definitely was if you go back 11,000 years ago I mean that's when people were walking across the Bering land bridge and yeah Michael Waddell. Oh Michael Waddell was it him that was saying that? I believe so. I'm wearing the same shirt. What's the odds? Well you guys I know you

guys are talking about you know Pope and Young went over mm-hmm on the boats and took remember they took tubs of arrows yeah cuz they just slinging them and they're gonna be gone for like what seven months yeah and then Waddell had some great stories about talking to his wife about, hey, I'm gonna go out and be back next year. You know, because it's like so long of a boat ride. Yeah, yeah. Just the people getting in boats back then was so nuts. I just know that, you know, Fred Bear has that quote,

the history of archery is the history of mankind. I always think of that. So as long as man's been around, we've had to kill the archery is a history of mankind. I always think of that. So as long as man's been around, we've had to kill the archery equipment is. Well, it must have just completely opened up the door for having more kids, for being able to survive and feed your family. Because if you're just stabbing things,

you gotta get so close. And then you get an atlatl, okay, how far can you throw that? But then if you got a bow, You gotta get so close. And then you get an at a ladle. Okay, how far can you throw that? But then if you got a bow, now all of a sudden all those fuckers over there are in trouble. They don't even know yet.

They don't even know what they'll look out for. And there's things whistling through the air. Contradictory information. Oh, what is this? The four waves of bow and arrow use in North America. This occurred at 12,000, whoa, 12,000, 12,000 years ago. Yeah, that's why I started going down this hole.

So it's pre-Egyptian. Is that 12,000 BC then? I don't know what evidence that is. No, 12,000 years ago is 10,000 BC. Okay. I think they found bows in different places. Whoa. That's nuts.

I don't know for sure. 12,000 years ago. Yeah, see the Alaska Peninsula. Right, so again, so 12,000 years ago, now it makes sense that people are walking. So people from Asia could walk over, I mean, maybe it was made in Asia. Yeah.

But. 30,000. 30,000. I don't know what the evidence is that that is. Sub-Arctic people first brought archery bow with them to North America from Asia. But 30,000 30,000. I don't know what the evidence of that sub Arctic Sub-Arctic people first brought archery bow with them to North America from Asia 30,000 years ago Wow Okay, how?

So 30,000 years ago people were supposedly dumb as shit And you know like how were they figuring out how to make a stick fly through the air with a string and kill things with it And kill things with it. Yeah and hunt Mongolian people were the first to adapt adopt The bow in the southwestern region of what is now called the United States. Whoa Mom Oh mogul on not Mongolian mogul on I don't even know who they are Yeah I don't even know who they are thousand years ago. Yeah Yeah, just after Jesus 30,000 years ago is nuts

It's like how does that get all around the world? It's really interesting because it's not like there's a bunch of different versions of it Yeah, cuz he said the physical character characteristics of this bow are striking me in several respects. So it's like... Yeah. It doesn't say what that is. That's a recurve. No, I just mean like when they found her. Right, right, right, right.

Yeah, I thought that they were saying that no matter where they found these bows, they were all very similar. Right, they had the fletchings. It goes to your point of how did that information get around the world. How did they figure that out? First recorded use of archery broder quite early in human history. Images from the Paleolithic and Mesolithic cave paintings, 10,000 BC in Spain and France depict groups of simple silhouetted figures using the bow as both the weapon of combat

and the hunt. See if you can find some of those images. The Metholic, Mesolithic. Using the bow as both the weapon of combat and the hunt see if you can find some of those images the methylic methylith Mesolithic. Yep. Okay, that's um that one documentary the cave of dreams. It's a Werner Herzog film I think that's what it's called Say you down there Look like it. Whoa Isn't that sweet? That's crazy. Look at that one. Look at that one. That one right there.

Whoa. That's crazy. 7,000 year old bow and arrow painting. God. Wow. That's what, you know, anytime I get those people in there for a lift run shoot and Wayne starts talking to him at the bow rack, he's just like showing him how to shoot a bow and people are like, they get it. He's like, feels familiar, right? He goes, because that's what man's always done. That's why it feels familiar. So it's like people who have never done it all of a sudden are like, they're like,

oh, this stirs something up in them. It does resonate, right? It does resonate with your DNA. It's just me, it just me, you can tell. You know what I tell people, it's like, you know when you catch a fish, even when kids catch a fish, I remember when my daughter caught her first fish,

the excitement is genetic. Oh, oh, oh, you got one, you got one. How do you know you're supposed to be excited? Right, why are they exciting? Why is it exciting to catch a fish? Because it's programmed into your DNA from the time we were figuring out how to catch fish that if you caught a fish, you get to live.

You get to eat it. So you get a reward. Your body gets excited about catching that. That's that same feeling. That's why people like when they can shoot something and it hits the spot. It's not like throwing a basketball through a hoop. That's kind of fun, but it doesn't have the same feeling.

No. There's a feeling of archery when you hit something. It's like, oh yes. Yeah, you see an animal, you're like, I wonder if I could hit that with my arrow. Yeah. You just want to shoot at stuff. Yeah.

Well, I was at the zoo the other day. I was sending you pictures. I know. Yeah, exactly. I zoomed in on animals, put a little red dot. I mean, I'm driving and I see horses, cows, whatever, and I'm like, I see cows legs forward. I'm like, oh God, I could get an arrow right now,

right in the lungs there, perfect. It's just, that's just what you kind of program your brain to see. Right, but it's also like the same drive that leads you to run all these miles, to be at your best and that also makes you concentrate on being accurate at archery all the time and thinking about archery all the time. If you don't, you won't be as good as you can be. If you want to be as good as you possibly can be,

you have to kind of think about it that way. All encompassing. Yeah. All encompassing. Take over your fucking brain. Yeah. Imagine if you can get those people from back then then you're like, let me show you some shit I would love this is called a hog father

I've wanted to go over like there's there's these people that have god. What tribe is that that have an Instagram page? I think I've ever they were the red stuff. I think in Africa. I think I've sent you that I want to go and hunt with them so fun. Yes. Yes I yeah, I want to go over there so bad and just hang out They would probably freak out and they saw your bow. What are you doing? I know when I went to Tanzania that I would just shoot it like they'd put up like a Buffalo quarter The Hadza too. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, that's the people that David Cho went over hung out with right Whoa, yeah, that's not the one I was thinking

interesting Influencing. Yeah, there's an influencer Upper left lady was she doing the hudson? Yeah, let's wrap this up cam your book perfect title Undeniable it is a perfect title really is I mean that's one of the things that we always talk about like you gotta be undeniable yeah it's perfect perfect name I just think it it captures what we're trying to do in life yeah yeah what everybody's trying to do in life if

you're really trying to do something well you know you're gonna have some haters what's the best way to silence haters? When? Be undeniable. Be undeniable. So if you're talking shit you just look like an idiot. You just look like a fool. Here's what I've learned. This is gonna be, this is probably gonna hit pretty hard. I don't know if you ever heard this before but it pays to be a winner. Now I undeniable to me it's like the people I've had on, I've learned so much from, you're featured in the book, but it's like, what makes people undeniable?

What allows people, regardless of what they do, to rise to the top? And it's, there's certain characteristics of each person and what it is, it's like, they have this overwhelming passion for whatever they're doing. It's like, that's all they care about. It's all they think about. Rocky Marciano, Goggins, whoever you know of.

You think of like a person's name doing something, they're obsessed with whatever they're doing. Speaking of obsessed, I'm obsessed with getting something right. I think the sagittal crest is actually the peak of the skull that gorillas have. I think I fucked't think, I think the sagittal crest is actually the peak of the skull that gorillas have. I think I fucked that up.

I think there's a different word. I was looking for a different word for those cracks in the skull. It's not sagittal crest. I think the sagittal crest is that thing that separates like what a gorilla skull looks like versus a chimpanzee skull. There it is. Yeah, that's the sagittal crest. That's that ridge bone. Yeah. So what is that? What are those lines called?

Oh, it's a suture. That's right. That's right. That's what they call it. So there's coronal suture and then there's the other one Fucking heads are weird. Imagine that's a person. I know fucking weird that is good. See that weird so that's what a normal person looks like they get that weird line. Oh, that's what so it's a perennial Foreman so that's the sagittal suture and Then then there's this other suture doid What's that other suture called? Left there. Yeah lamb doid suture and the sagittal suture. So that's what the

sagittal is the line that they're missing the one that goes up the men. That's a look at that gorilla head, lower right hand corner. Oh, cool. grills almost have like a mohawk in their skull because they have this giant muscles for chomping on fucking roots and shit. And you'd never if you hit that fucker in the head, it wouldn't do anything. I would laugh at you. Have you ever seen, there's a 3D image,

we can end with this, because people always say, how many fucking people do you think you would take to beat a gorilla? Well, guess what? It literally doesn't matter. So somebody made like a Recreate you know how they do like recreations like let's find out and so they Showed what would happen. I just sent it to you Jamie. I showed what would happen if a hundred dudes try to fight a gorilla

spoiler alert hundred dudes get fucked up Look at this. This is what it would look like oh my god Like the grills try to run. It just turns around just starts fucking people up. Holy shit Yeah, you got no chance. Could you imagine taking a big right from that thing? I would watch the first couple dudes take a right and I would take a left. I'll be like see ya I'm gonna I don't think gorillas are gonna chase me. You just gotta get his back. Nope I don't think gorillas are gonna chase me. So I'm gonna get his back. Nope

Get on his back he just grabbed me with one arm and throw you fucking 50 yards He would grab you and his grip would break your fucking rib cage It would just he would his fingers would probably penetrate your skin and go right through to your organs He's just fucking all these people up That guy took a couple in a row Rush has probably tried this already from they probably already had look at this all these other guys like oh I'm gonna give it a shot. I'm gonna give it my best on a pay-per-view. Yeah, why these guys still there? I don't know because they're being forced like he's running trying to blue bitch ass hammer fist hit that gorilla It's not if you get your kind of bell run a little bit

and you're kind of dazed and then you're just standing there. Look how far he flies too when he hits a boom. That would be a good one to end on but here's what we really need to end on because last time Endure was like the number one seller and they put it number seven or something on New York Times. So we need why was it we need number one. We deserve number one. We should be number one this time.

You didn't get number one because of some weird shit. It's not because New York the New York Times bestseller is an editorial. Yeah, that's what's weird. If it just goes based on sales, Endure would have been up there, but they gave me number seven. So crazy. Just give me what I deserve. Why are you lying? I don't know if you're gonna have a top ten. Why lie you're lying You can't decide that this one's a top ten kids. It's made by a Transgender person of color is it better? I don't know if it helps me to call them out or? No, they're gonna fuck you no matter what. But America will know.

But on Amazon, that's not curated, right? No, no, that's sales. So that'll be legit. That'll be sales, that'll be legit. So that's the one that should count. But yeah, I mean, the whole point, also I wanted to also end on, I wouldn't have had the success with those books,

if not for you. You wrote the forward to Endure. It made the New York Times bestseller list. You know as well as anybody, the next book, if you can say from the New York Times bestselling author of Endure, that just makes the next one go crazy. So without you, this wouldn't have happened. Well, without you, I would have never been bow hunting. And we wouldn't own Archery Country. Yeah, we wouldn't own archery. All right

Let's bring it home Endure. It's out now It's out May 6th. No, no endures out. Oh, it's a deniable Undeniable is out May 6th. Today is April 29th. So wait a week Tuesday. Did you do the audio version of it? I did. Yes, I did It's tough, but people love it. Yeah, they do. They want it in your voice. It has to be. It has to be in your voice. Well, Joe, thank you. My pleasure, brother. I love you to death. You're the best. All right. Goodbye, everybody.