The Joe Rogan Experience - #2317 - Cody Tucker

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

Cody Tucker is a content creator, host of "The Cody Tucker Show" podcast, and now the author of a brand new book, "And Now You Know: Mind-Blowing Stories from History and Pop Culture." www.Thecodytucker.comhttps://a.co/d/2OPURg1 Go to ExpressVPN.com/ROGAN to get 4 months free! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Alright, what else, Paul? What are the odds that I contact you on Instagram and the fucking day you're here is the day your book comes out? It's pretty unlike. Kind of crazy. Little bit. Right? You know it's kind of like the universe smiled upon us. You know what I mean? It's like it's synchronicity. If you want

to believe in the simulation. Sometimes I do. I'm with you. I sometimes you just see something you're like this is this is a simulation right? We're not in the real. Yeah. There's a second and a third and a fourth and so on. Sometimes just things seem like God is showing you satire. Like there's just a little fun thrown in there. And a lot of it is on your Instagram page. I have to tell you, dude, I have wasted so much fucking time, so much time watching your videos going,

what the fuck? that real and so many things I've learned from it it's actually it's very educational but it's also very fun. Cody Tucker your book is called and now you know and you know I didn't even know you had a book and I reached out to you I just said this guy's got to be interesting like yeah I mean that remains to be seen, but we'll find out together. You are on Instagram. How did you get started doing that type of a page? Because it's very specific. I mean I've always been interested in like random facts like you know origin stories of words, like movies, all these different

things like the dark side of history. Right. And I like telling people those stories and they seem to enjoy it whenever I tell them so I was like well, why don't I just like make little videos and Clip them, you know clip them up make them look all right. You doing before you're doing that I mean, I've always had a podcast no one watches this thing We'll bump that bitch up now Might change now, but um, yeah, mean, I wouldn't necessarily recommend watching the podcast, but it is it exists.

That's hilarious. But, uh, yeah, that is by the way, so much better than please watch my podcast, like and subscribe whenever a video gets interrupted by like and subscribe. The last thing I want to do is like and subscribe. Like, come on.

I mean, I'd rather you just, if you watch it and like it, well, thank you. If you don't get it, you get it well. Thank you if you don't Get it you get in line. Well. There's that's how podcast get good. Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I started out doing with this I never advertised this thing once yeah, this this thing got where it is a hundred percent word-of-mouth Yeah, that's it. Yeah, so I started watching pretty early And it was but it still had like a pretty decent following then But I know like you started like we started in 2009

Yeah, so this would have been like year a couple years after that even but when I started You know me and my friend Brian when we started we weren't even thinking it was a podcast We we had already done these things where we'd stream live from the green room at comedy clubs back when it was on Justin TV which became what Jamie? Twitch so we would just be you know I Joey would be talking shit in the green room and we'd be having fun And you know we'd be just film it just for fun gotcha and then I had a few friends that started doing internet shows Tom Green was the big one

Cuz they're Tom Green had it all set up at his house. He's incredible. Oh, he's the best. He's such a sweetheart, too. Everything you would hope he'd be, that's who he is. Great, great fucking guy. And you know, like really, forward thinker early on, he was like, I think I can just do this from my house.

But it was too early. Like this is 2007 and the internet sucked. It wasn't ready yet. You know, no one had smartphones yet. It was like, but he was patient zero, I think. Gotcha. Him and then there was this Opie and Anthony show that they used to do. Oh, they were amazing. They were amazing. But Anthony Kumia started doing this thing live from the compound in his basement where he would do karaoke with a green screen holding a machine gun

He was fucking nuts. He's had his money and he had like yeah beers on tap. So they'd be getting hammered. He's playing video games He's a maniac and I was like that looks like so much fun I was like he just has a studio that he set up in his basement Yeah, and so we just started fucking around with the most bear of equipment it was a fucking laptop webcam and We had like a USB mic. Yeah, we're one of them blue mics Silver ones we have one of those That's how we started and then it you know, we just kept doing it. But telling people not to go to your podcast is classic.

That's very fun. Yeah. I mean, that's using my thing. Because there are people that do watch it, and I think they like it. And I like those people. I'm glad those people are around. But it's not something that should ever become popular.

Well, there's two schools of thought today with the young and like yourself. It's like, just get famous at any cost. Get on tick tock, share your dick on only events, whatever you have to do or not. Right. Or fuck that. And that you're in the fuck that category. Yeah. I could care less about being, having anyone know who the fuck I am, which

granted here, here I am. I know it's not, but that's's the but that's also why you're here Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's also why your book came out today. It's like there's a Synchronicity going on something there's something's happening things are crossing over that I didn't so you just you did your podcast and in those stories that you would tell on the podcast We would drop some crazy information Then you decided to start clipping them up exactly so that I would end it with just like oh here's some like half-ass history Which is what I called like the segment and then I was like here's like a half-ass half-ass history segment I'm just ramble about some bullshit from like Napoleon or something. I binged them today and

What cuz you know, let's get ready for you to come in. It was fun. That was fun. It was fun. You really freaked me out with the whole Outlaw Josie Wales thing. Like I loved that movie and now I'm like, oh no. Yeah, I can't watch it anymore. Oh, no. I wrote the book that turned into that. I mean tell the story cuz it's so crazy. So, yeah, there was a fella named Asa Carter. So Asa Carter is this massive white supremacist. Like he was in the KKK and then left the KKK because they weren't racist enough. He was like, y'all don't hate black people way more.

Like y'all should be hating these people way more than you should. So he made his own version, like a splinter group of the KKK. And I mean, he was part of like, he would show up to like Nat King Cole concerts try to drag him off the stage, you know Oh my god, and he became a speechwriter for George Wallace not the comic but you know The governor of Alabama George Wallace who was you know, the segregation now segregation forever He was a massive piece of shit mass in the video I mean, yeah, just yeah So he's speechwriter for that. He helped write that speech the

segregation now segregation forever. He was a co-writer of that speech then Things kind of fell apart from him. George Wallace is like you're too racist Like I just don't want him to go to school with my kids. He's like, I don't want them to not exist. Oh my God. And yeah, so he moved to Florida, changed his name, kind of, I think to Forrest Carter, I think is the way he changed his name too,

and started writing books. One of them was the rebel outlaw, Josie Wales, which you know, Glen Eastwood turned into God. Outlaw Josie Wales. I guess back then there was no Google. So you a guy could do something like that. You would never know. How would you know?

Like Stephen King had Richard Bachman. Remember exactly. They wrote Running Man. Yeah, Running Man is Richard. I know other things too. But yeah. What is it? Was it the dark half? Is it the other one that I really liked? Is that Richard? Is that I don't know if that was a I think that was a box talisman. I had a bunch of them that were great. Yes I was so cocaine works so well for him whoo

You know I'm saying I mean if there's ever a dude And I know he's cleaning sober now and God bless him and I feel terrible that the guy got hit by a fucking van Like the whole race. It's crazy. Yeah, is that the dark have Stephen King adaptation? Oh, so what's Stephen King? It was a common? What? Oh, he's another student. Oh, Jesus Christ. I didn't that's how prolific that guy was no idea He's so prolific. He has extra pseudonyms. He was suiting him for a suit now, bro There's not a guy who has ever lived who has made more bangers more just Follows that Beaumont a writer who achieves fame so that's about that. That's the student

But I think that's the actual us that's is that the trailer for the film or the poster for the film Yeah Is that the trailer for the film or the poster for the film writer who? Yeah From the book Timothy Hutton plays right dark so no no I know that but is that image is that from the book? For the movie movies George A. Romero King is cuz they're selling it you'd have to find a picture of the book and see if like the book says But bottom line is they all say they're all, well, why would you change it now? It's like, see even the, see if the one that he wrote us Bachman for sure. Like what did he write his Bachman for sure?

Running man was for sure Richard Bachman. Okay. I see a running man says Stephen King. I think Talisman. I think that was one that also, he had a fake picture and everything. that's amazing. That's so wild I wonder who that guy is actually Richard Manuel a builder and friend of Stephen King's literary agent He's just a regular guy just a guy just some dude. He's like buddy. He's like hey, bro

I'm gonna make you famous That's kind of crazy. Oh, he was about to when he inspired by Bachman Turner overdrive about that, which is amazing That's hilarious. You know one of the greatest bands of all time So he did write the dark half the surname Stark was later used in a king. Oh, no Okay Richard Stark, but Richard Stark is another one No, no, no Richard. We should be the whole fuck no Richard is a tribute to author. Got it. Did he write it as Bachman? He did. There should be like a bibliography. At the last moment he changes to Richard Bachman.

But then or was? Gus Pillsbury was a different one he was going to use. Oh my god that's hilarious. hilarious The last moment change it to Bachman so Bachman was the dark half If I was a porn star my name would be Gus Pillsbury or was it the dark half it says thinner Let's see they're bringing up the dark half so it has to be that stark was later used a surname stark I don't know either way who this Stephen King. Let's forget about it running man I'm pretty sure running man is one of them so he wrote so many good books It was like I'm giving these people too many books Let me write some under a fake name mom the biggest book selling Fiction guy in the world. It's insane. Have you ever looked at just like the first five books?

Maybe that's what the dark half is about. It's like about his using of a student and maybe that's why you're thinking Oh interesting. Oh, well that makes sense the door does make But see what the top is said Running Man. Yes. Yeah, interesting. Oh, well that makes sense. The Dark Half. That does make sense. That's what I have. But see, at the top it said Running Man. Yeah. Yeah, okay, okay. The Dark Half book is great. I've never read that one.

Well, it's so funny that King was able to pull this off because how many of his fucking stories about a writer who lives in Maine? Dude, it's every year. It's so crazy. The guy just picks his home state, a writer picks his profession and then insanity ensues, you know, like it's all like a writer in Maine. Well, and they're all based on just things that are happening to him like

I can't remember which book it is that's about him like going through alcohol DTs. Oh It's um, I can't remember. But the Shining photography the shining bookography whatever you would call it is a blea Oh, yeah, big blea. Oh, yeah So me if you look at his bibliography, it's insane Is it's a real many bangers carries number one and then it's like Carrie Salem's lot the shining a couple other it Like and then Christine which yeah, I didn't enjoy the dark half move It's like what I hate that cliche of the books better because it's never better because you can see the movie right?

But they never nail it. Yeah, it's just too hard Well the shining kind of does because it's being done by Stanley Kubrick right, but he hated it Yeah, you hated it because which is so nuts Well, he said that I get it Nicholson turned crazy right away, and he wanted to be a very gradual thing You know who he wanted? Who? Robin Williams. Oh my God, he would have nailed it.

Robin Williams or Harrison Ford. Bro, you ever seen Robin Williams in that 24 hour photo movie? One hour photo. Oh, that's it. That's it, dude. That movie is so good. It's insane. He's so good in it.

He might be one of the greatest actors of all time. Like crazy how good he is in that movie because you just really believe he's a psycho. Yeah, cause he's so lovable at first, but there's all these little signs that like keep this guy away from your kids. There's layers. There's layers to that story.

Yeah. It's like, that's such a great movie. He was a bummer when he died, man. That one bummed me out. Yeah, I've only cried a couple of times when like a famous person died. That's one of them. I that one bummed me out. Yeah, I've only cried a couple times and like a famous person died That's one of them. I like broke down Heath Ledger and Steve are one of the others. Yeah, that was a bummer Yeah, Steve are one especially Chadwick Bozeman from

Black Panther and what else is he? He's a 42 but Jackie Robinson the the heartbreaking one There's an interview with him where he's talking to that woman and he says, I'm already dead. And she doesn't know what he's saying because he didn't tell anybody. The dude went through the mill, he was filming the movie while he was battling cancer. While everyone was making fun of him for looking skinny and creepy looking. It's like crazy. Yeah.

Crazy. Which it is kind of like. A gangster way to go. It's like crazy. Yeah, crazy. Which it is kind of a gangster way to go. It is. So did Norm MacDonald. He did the same thing. Norm MacDonald didn't tell anybody that he had cancer. Just went up to Canada and died. He's battling it for years. He told no one. Yeah, you could kind of it's one of those things that you can tell when you look back like when you look back and watch like episodes of like his show you know Norm's show yeah I know you see the puffy it ness and the drowned eyes his eyes looks very tired that that to me that's the funniest human being of all time here's one of the all-time greats

yeah for sure I'm sure you met him quite a bit I accidentally sat next to him twice on airplanes Totally accidentally person and we were already friends Yeah, so it was super cool like I knew him from the clubs that I knew him from being around and and my good friend Adam Was a good friend of his he used to do that show that they did together. Yeah, yeah, Adam. Okay. Yeah Who's the talent coordinator at the mothership? Yeah. yeah, yeah. So I'd known Norm forever. And then one time I was flying back from somewhere and I sit down and then Norm plops right next to him like, dude, like, what are you doing? And we're having the most fun. It was the most fun.

The second time was even crazier because Norm sits down next to me. We're having a great time. Yeah, just laughing. And he's so fun. We're talking all kinds of crazy shit. And he tells me, yeah, quit smoking. time. Yeah, just laughing and he's so fun. We're talking all kinds of crazy shit. And he tells me, yeah, quit smoking. And fucking hard to do, man. But I quit. I feel so much better. I'm so glad I did. I mean, so bad for you. I go, yeah, good for you, dude. Fuck

those cigarettes, right? So we land and he walks straight into the store and buys a pack of cigarettes and is literally lighting it before he gets out the door and I go what are you doing I thought you quit and he goes yeah but all that talking about cigarettes made me want one. I mean he did quit for a little bit and then when he landed you know. I know a lot of people have quit and a lot of people you mean they keep pointing to like it's like everyone's playing Russian roulette with fucking lung cancer It's so crazy you're praying right like I'm 80% of people don't even get cancer, bro Which I'll take those. I mean look I'll tell you Smoking just looks so cool. Yeah smoking cigarettes like

Smoking just looks so cool. Yeah smoking cigarettes like God, I smoke cigarettes, which I need to not do that. But god it does feel cool It's also there's an I don't even give a fuck about my health. I'm out here thinking Well, I don't have to be smoking a cigarette for people to Nobody's looking at me like Jesus, but that's like accelerating your demise like purposely accelerating your demise for a Head rush, which is I had to do this thing once But buddy of mine had this sketch show and they had this sketch that they were they were putting together this idea And he asked me to be like this troubled poet guy and I said, okay What do you think I should do?

He goes like These should be like smoking cigarettes. You should be like this guy just smoking cigarettes and taught and I'm like, okay, okay, okay Yeah, so I never smoked before and that day I probably smoked like 15 cigarettes. I Shaken and my friend Adam Ferrara, who's a comedian, who's doing this with me, he smoked, and he gave me his cigarettes and everything. How do you do this? How are you doing this to yourself every day?

This is so crazy. In what time span do you think the 15 and 6? I guess we were doing it all throughout the day, so it was probably four or five hours. It's quite a bit. I mean, even for like a, cause I don't smoke like, I'm not like a pack a day or something like that. Well, that's good. Probably a pack every three days.

So. Oh, that's not too bad, but it's still terrible for you. Yeah, it's still not good. I mean, I try to justify it in my head. I'm like, yeah, but I don't, I'm not sitting out there with a chainsaw. I really do enjoy one right before I go on stage. I really do.

It's a nicotine thing. Yeah. It's like, you can get nicotine from a button, but it's the delivery methods that's different. Like there's something about smoking it, and cigars is similar too. Smoking the nicotine, it's a very different thing than like nicotine pouches and stuff like that. I've never done the gum.

But there's a benefit to nicotine. It's just the delivery method that That's what's terrible for you Yeah, I don't think nicotine's ever really been proven to just be horrible for you. It actually is Neuroprotective which like I love saying those words because I don't really know what the fuck I'm saying, but it sounds like you're smart You know Jillian Michaels in here the other day and she was talking about it and she chews gum and you know It's neuro people are you trying to keep smoking. It's like no, it's actually good for you Like but most people aren't aware of that. They just think of cigarette smoking equals cancer equals nicotine

Equals you're doing something bad. Well, because the nicotine obviously gets you partly addicted and then yeah makes you smoke more cigarettes Which is horrible. Yes. So they do. There is like almost there's kind of like some blame you could put towards nicotine in that sense. In that sense. Yeah. And with how much your privacy is being invaded online, VPNs are no longer just a nice thing

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American spirits. Yeah. Um, but did you ever see that Russell Crowe movie? The insider where he plays the scientist Jeffrey Wigand? Right? Right. Is that who the character was? That's who he's playing as Jeffrey Wigand? Yeah. That's cool. That's so crazy that they did. Yeah, that makes you so mad when you watch it. You knew. Yeah you so mad when you watch you like you knew Yeah, and like you and you tricked people by making it more addictive like with chemicals Yeah, look at that's crazy with my sugars and food

But here's my my why is it okay to do that with cigarettes? But they would never be okay to do that with cheeseburgers if we found out that McDonald's is putting fentanyl on the cheeseburgers I made you come back and eat more cheeseburgers there. We'd be like no fucking way. That's crazy. You're making him more addictive That's crazy. You can't do that the sugar that's in it does the same thing sort of I mean kind of sort of Yeah, I would say it does, but it doesn't I'm killing you well kind of It doesn't, it's not killing you. Well, it kinda is. Well, I don't know.

You know, I'm doing too great. It kinda can, it kinda can. It's like very low dose poison. Essentially, if you have a very good diet and you occasionally have a quarter pounder, you're gonna live. Yeah. You know what I mean?

It's a low dose poison. Your body can filter out most of that stuff. The real problem seems to be when it becomes the primary focus of what you eat. Could you just get in a bunch of inflammation causing bullshit that your body doesn't know how to get rid of. Your body's like, what is this? You're feeding me. But God, it feels so good. Jesus. In the moment, it is. That's heaven on earth.

I had a quarter pounder once a couple couple years ago and I haven't had one. If I do go to McDonald's I always eat Flay of fishes. I love those fucking things. You do? I love those things. They're so good. They're my favorite. That's weird man.

No. That's weird. Because I can't lie to myself and pretend that's a cheeseburger. You can lie and say that that's fish? Yes. That ain't fish. It's a thing. It's whatever it is It's a sweet bun and a delicious salty fish like thing in the center with that tartar sauce. It's just yummy

I'm not trying to justify it to me. I mean, I don't particularly like the taste of like Those kind of burgers. I like like a good smash burger or like an in-and-out burger I'm with you in five guys in and out yeah top of the line top of the like fast food yeah the Chick-fil-A of burgers can't go wrong like in and out burgers or if you don't like them I don't like you how about that do you like what a burger it's okay it's horrible it's not people want to compare it to in and out like Texas people get crazy like you're getting crazy This is how we had a civil war like you gotta look at

Now in that war I'm taking the water burger people over there and for sure people 100% So now people are not armed. No, those water burger Bubbles are they're coming to I mean they started This is telling people that if someone breaks into your house, you should flee. You shouldn't tell them to get out and shoot them. Get out of your own house. Yeah, that's his now. You should gather up your child and run up the hill behind your house and flee and hope they don't shoot you in the back.

That's a good idea. It's like you can't, it's like that piece of shit speechwriter like a saccordia. Yeah There's gonna be Nutty on both sides Yeah, there's gonna be nutty on the left and nutty on the right and it's up to us Which is Mike most people are just reasonable Reasonable yes in the center live and let live reasonable, reasonable, in the center, live and let live. Have you had like an an ethic for this country? What are we about? We're supposed to be about freedom,

live and let live, but the problem is the people on the far crazy screaming left and the people on the far crazy screaming right are all fucking losers. Yeah. And those fucking losers make you be connected with them and all their stupidity and Poisons all the ideas that they agree with right on both sides and there's so much louder So you think there's more of them when in reality it's like what five percent probably of each side exactly And then the other I don't even think it's five percent they're just the ones that are online all day long and then on top of that you get a bunch of people who are paid to do it so it's like oh my god when you see tweets like people get busted all the time now these air quotes

influencers they'll tweet something and then you'll see like 30 versions of the same tweet with the same wording Yeah, like what is going on? That's hilarious for now forever. I'll never listen to you again That's amazing. And there's a yeah on both sides. That's so it's not a left-wing thing. It's not a right-wing thing I see it with fucking everything. It's like there's like large-scale Manipulation going on. That's like really nuts to see I like you about that reddit dead internet thing reddit dead I did you see Jamie do you know about this like there's I believe it's might be a lawsuit so this company

Used a bunch of chat bots I believe it was on red. I just sent it to someone I'll find it if you can't find it But I think I forget what the argument was about but essentially they're getting in trouble for Facilitating these fake arguments like as an experiment. Oh Which is if that's why for sure countries are doing that reddit threatens to sue researchers who ran a dead internet AI experiment on its site deeply raw on a both moral and legal level. Well, that's not good. So this is what they did.

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University of Zurich researchers dispatched an army of, boy, Zurich, that's not a good place to do it from, guys. You shouldn't be involved in it. No, the swear is certainly... Look at you, sketchy. Yeah. Research dispatched an army of AI chat bots to debate human users on the subreddit

in a secret experiment designed to investigate whether the tech could be used to change people's minds. The optics were horrendous, with bots claiming to be characters, including a survivor of sexual assault and a black man who opposes the black lives matter movement worse yet the AI models scoured the post to history of users they were applying to in order to be as convincing as possible Basically a formalized trial run of the dead internet theory that much of the internet is already AI generated You know about that

theory? Huh? The AI dead internet theory. So the idea is that AI becomes sentient and completely fakes the internet. Fakes the internet? Yeah. Pull it up, Jamie. Like, I don't know if explained it in that article. But there was a link in that article when it got to dead internet theory. There was actually a link. It was right there. Where is it? Scroll down a little bit. It didn't have a link.

No, it didn't have a link. The link was actually about it passing a Turing test, which is, it already did. Which is. Goes back to 2016. Oh, did the internet die in 2016? Is online community think so? There's a lot of kooks, like people with schizophrenia,

that get things right. Yeah, that is kind of the problem, is they're not always wrong. Well, eventually they're right. Like Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, that guy, his whole thing was that technology was gonna overtake the human race. Right. And I think he's right.

Yeah, you know, he wasn't necessarily wrong. He was just wrong to be blowing people up. Oh, well, he was really fucked up. Did you ever see the Netflix documentary when they go over his life, when he was a baby, when they left him in the crib, and he never got touched for months? Which immediately, permanent damage. You're screwed. You can't fix that.

Yeah. Like so you get those wide eyes, you know, or someone's crazy. It's in the Harvard LSD studies where they humiliate him while he's on acid. Yeah. Yeah. Because he was part of the MK ultra. Like he had the professor that was like recruiting impressionable, but a highly intelligent young men. And how crazy is that program? MK ultra is wild. that was like recruiting impressionable but highly intelligent young men and how crazy is that program? MKUltra is wild. That is one of the most interesting the CIA in general let me just like this is a rabbit hole of just

the craziest thing I've ever seen but like all the Manson stuff which I'm obsessed with Charles Manson so all that stuff is... Oh the Manson stuff is crazy. The CIA stuff is not even a rabbit hole It's like one of them labornas that they find in Turkey Like two thousand people could live underground like who built this Yeah, fuck is this like the friend has been going on like the French catacombs where people get lost every day If you go down to the CIA rabbit hole, you'll find a city like a civilization you go down the CIA rabbit hole, you'll find a city, like a civilization.

Like. Atlantis. Yeah, yeah. And then you have to think, okay, but also Russia has the same sort of operation going for Russia. Right. Right, every country has them.

Yeah, everybody has the CIA, KGB, I mean. So they have to exist. Secret police, all that. Let's all get rid of the CIA, and then what? We get taken over completely by Russia and China, and it's like, slow down everybody. like there's a nutty AI war going on right in front of your face You just haven't heard the bombs go off yet, right? It's happening right now. Yeah, and if they pulled that off from the University of Zurich, which is kind of creepy

that University would like do that pretend to be a, you know, a black guy who's against the black lives matter movement and a woman who survived a sexual assault. You're just making it up with AI chat bots. Like this is fucking wild. And just to see how people react, how what the fuck do you think is going to happen? Or find somebody who actually is one of those people and then see how people react. If that's what you want to do, like you don't have to pretend to be one. There

are lots of people who would probably just volunteer and you could have a whole study control group, you know, have the whole thing. Yeah, you don't have to do it anonymously on the internet under false pretenses. Like you wouldn't have to do that. Unless you just want to have fun. I mean, I guess that's their but the problem is Anytime you're doing a study with real people they know they're in a study. Yeah, what's that? There's a law like a We're like you can't something about being observed like ruins the thing or whatever like it's part of like that I don't know. I suck at science, but I think there's something well, I don't even know if that science I'm just talking about like humans. Like if people know they're being watched as a part of a study,

you behave completely differently. Yeah. You're going to influence their behavior. Well, it's just like if you get asked a question to be part of a survey, you're not answering that thing accurately. Right. Even if it's anonymous, just because you know that like your answer is going to be, make you look maybe a little bit bad. You'll, you'll church up your answer a little, maybe not outright lie, but if it asks you how many drinks do you have a week? You're not telling them the exact amount. You're not counting them up.

You're going, six to eight sounds about right. Yeah. This uncertainty is why I think we're super vulnerable. Yeah. Because this uncertainty is why we're all going to be very vulnerable. Excuse me. Sorry. We're going to be really vulnerable to any sort of electronic bridge that they start using, like whether it's a wearable or an implant that lets you

legitimately read minds, which I think, I fucking think is in our lifetime. God, I hope not. It's so scary, dude, because we'll give it up to know the truth. People will give it up to know the truth. Yeah. I mean, think about how much of your data you give just so that you can Google things. Like, think of how much money they make off of your data and giving out your email Address and all the fucking spam text that you get every day all the chaos

We gave that up. Yeah, I'm just for free internet. Just for free Google. Yeah, I give it up I don't give a damn. I just give it all everybody does but imagine like what Google would cost Like if Google was a pay thing and the only way you could ever know anything about what's going on in the world, you have to search it. Every search engine costs money. Right. It's like, oh. But instead, you get this free value, but wouldn't you rather not pay? Of course. But what if you paid for it and then they couldn't use any of your data ever, and it was a totally honest relationship, and you're not allowed to curate the information either Yeah, you just have to put out the information as it exists online

We gave up privacy we gave up our data and we didn't even think about it We didn't even know it was a thing that we're giving up and then we're gonna give up Sentience we're good. We're gonna we're gonna fucking be connected to the hive mind. Yeah. I really think so. Yeah because it's weird like with the you know online like data privacy like you don't really know what it is that you're giving up. It's not like normal privacy where like if somebody asks like hey can I take a picture of your driver's license you'd say no what are you talking about no you can't. Right. But they can get the majority of that information through you know They can track you don't get your address get your way

They can find out even more information about you through giving up like your your privacy like data privacy Yeah, we don't like no we don't have like a list of what they're getting I mean, I guess you do if you read that whole damn thing, but who's reading that like privacy terms Nobody reads that shit. somebody told me there was something We might have to edit this out of snow true, but somebody told me there's something fucked up about Google's terms and Whatever terms apply there with a thing that you have to agree to that it has something in there that you'll agree to mediation Mediation yeah like in case of some sort of a dispute,

a legal dispute that you've agreed to mediation in the, so you're not going to sue them. So you can't really, yeah. Like whenever you get hired at a new job, they have those kinds of like clauses too. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's so weird. If it's true. Yeah. Well, but we need to find out if it's true. Cause somebody was telling, telling it to me and I was Yeah, well, we need to find out if it's true because somebody was telling talent to me I was like wait what? That sounds insane Except as required by applicable law mediation is voluntary and neither you nor Google are

Obligated to settle disputes through mediation What the hell does that mean? I don't know the context in which you were told it because this is like for developers. But this is, I said Uber. You said Google I thought. No, no, no, no, no. I thought you said Google too. Oh, I'm sorry.

Uber. Oh, okay, okay. Uber. I'm sorry. I probably mumbled. Okay. Uber's terms of service include a binding arbitration clause, meaning users agree to resolve disputes through arbitration rather than in court.

This arbitration is individual and non-consolidated, meaning you can't join with others in a class action suit. Uber also limits its liability and states that drivers are independent contractors, not employees. If you have a dispute, you can try to resolve it through mediation, but it may ultimately be resolved through arbitration. That's wild. Jesus.

That's kind of wild. It's like we have our own rules. Yeah. Our laws, no, no, no. Forget about the laws of the land. Now you agree to a legal contract. That's like very sneaky. It is very.

Right? Because if there's like laws, if we have laws to prevent fraud and laws to prevent negligence, we have those for companies. And you're a company, like no we're not. We're not even a company. Yeah. There's people, they're independent contractors.

Right, right. Oh, you have no liability at all and you make all the money. What a great deal. Who did you pay? Who did you, who did you fucking pay off to get that sweetheart of a deal? Yeah, and also, how many people know what arbitration is? Because I'll be honest I don't know

what it is I was just kind of going with it. Sounds scary if you gotta go through arbitration. I could not I don't want to do that. I just kind of agreed with everything. I think what essentially they're saying that you have to have a conversation with them outside of like a judge and jury ruling. You know what I mean? Like we have to have some sort of mediation. I think that's what they're saying. I could be wrong. Well, if I do, yeah, I'm sure that's in your best interest.

That's not, yeah. That's wild. The thing about Uber is if they're just private contractors, then it becomes like, okay, what is your responsibility to screen these private contractors? Cause some of these people might be psychos and you know you're a woman and you get in the car with someone who has them vetted and they're a psycho that's where is it based on the moon the Netherlands another good move you got to start somewhere where the you know the Nazis

rolled through with fucking tanks so that's either that or Luxembourg which everyone you did the Nazis get the Netherlands I'm talking about yeah that's where Anne Frank and all that in Amsterdam Vienna Convention that's right yeah yeah Vienna Convention on the international sale of goods shall not apply Okay, except as well as set forth in these terms these terms shall be exclusively governed and construed in accordance with the laws of the Netherlands excluding its rules on conflicts of laws

Excluding its rules on conflicts of laws what does that mean I don't that's a weird thing this maze will be Portuguese in accordance with the laws of the Netherlands excluding its rules on conflicts of laws I have an idea so complex copy and paste this in like rocker judge so many rabbit explain this to an American kids Kids use Uber so much man that like a small percentage comparative to the past of kids are getting their driver's licenses. Good. You're probably right.

Perfectly fine with that. Is Grok your favorite to use? What do you like to use most? I honestly think you have to test them all when you're asking a question You really want the answer to. It's very responsible. They give you Varying responses. I had I had a chat GPT lie to me yesterday four times in a row. Look how quick this is Let me break this down for is a wild American audience in plain language It's insane this selection of a contrast explains see this is what I'm saying. Like if it's already happened. Yeah. If AI is already taken over, we've already

agreed by the timing of your book, the synchronicity is real. And that maybe the simulation is real. And then if it's going to be simulated, it's not going to be simulated by a bunch of people. It's going to be simulated by artificial intelligence. There'd be way more mistakes fills people. Yeah. Dutch law applies. The contract governed by the laws of the Netherlands, not US law. This means Dutch legal principles will guide how the contract is interpreted except for conflicts of laws, rules, which deal with choosing which country's laws apply.

Oh, that's what it is. Also an international treaty called the Vienna Convention, which covers sales of goods, doesn't apply here. So essentially they're saying, like, we go by the Netherlands laws. If you have different laws in the United States, go pound sand. Those don't matter. This is in the Netherlands. You're a lawsuit here.

It also probably depends on what happened. Like if it's a speed limit thing, you go by the rules of the speed limit. But if it's something about interpersonal, the rules of the speed limit but if it's something about you know interpersonal the driver and don't you think that if you do business in a particular country you'd have to follow the laws of that country doesn't that just mean I'm not even trying to be unreasonable here maybe they're better in the Netherlands maybe they're more fair I don't know it's not even a like a value judgment I don't know maybe they are maybe they just want the best for their their customers yeah so you know what Maybe they are maybe they just want the best for their their customers

Yeah, so you know what if they really want to sue the fuck out of us and when really should do in the Netherlands Maybe isn't over the Hague the Hague is in the Netherlands right is it over the world like what do you call it crimes against humanity? Like war crimes is all in the Hague. Yeah, I Don't know if that means anything I don't know if it means anything either I don't know if it means anything either But I would imagine if you're doing business in China, you're not allowed to say yeah, but US rules only We only go over you. So if you want to sue us Fuck you see you right here

Our place yeah, you're doing business in China you get sued in China motherfucker. You should always no matter what, wherever you are, you got to follow those laws. That seems super reasonable. Seems like you shouldn't be able to avoid that by like setting up shop in some fucking dictatorship somewhere, you know, like you're homies with some guy who's a dictator and you're like, bro, bro you wanna make some money together? We'll incorporate in your country. Let's fucking raise some cash. Yeah it's all very weird. It's very weird.

But the driverless car thing might be even weirder because that's a solution out of it. Like man I don't trust these Uber drivers. They're sketchy man. Good. Get him one of those fucking robot cars yeah get one of those way most where you can't even bribe it okay the government's trying to get you and you're there they have a setup for you go bro change of plans this is what I want you to do I'm gonna give you $500 you're gonna drive me to Ohio. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like you can do that.

Like if the government's after you and you're in a fucking Uber drive and the guy's cool, you go, listen dude, I'm gonna make this worth your while. It's a four hour drive, four hours back. Yeah, how do you do that to a Waymo? You don't, you don't. They get you, they shut the car off.

They lock the doors. And you're locked into an Uber contract probably. Waymo's partnered with Uber. Oh, I know, because I was going to get in one yesterday. I was like, I haven't been Austin in a long time. I used to come down here a lot in high school, whatever, sneak into bars and whatnot. And I saw these Waymos.

I was like, what the hell is this thing? I've never heard of this. Didn't know this existed. And I see it driving around, nobody driving. Like, I do not like this at all, but immediately downloaded the Uber and Waymo app. Cause I was like, well, let me just get one to take me up to like six street or something. Did you get in? No, no, no, I chickened out. I just don't think.

Cause what if it just doesn't want to take me there? Like what if something happens where he's like, you know what I would like to do? Take you down 35 at about 90 miles an hour In the wrong lane, you know What if my front camera goes out and I can't see what's in front of me and I just start plowing into other cars Like yeah, I'm not saying that that's gonna happen to wherever will happen. I'm sure there's a bunch of backup cameras Don't get me wrong, but it just sketches me out. Although I do think it's inevitable. Yeah, I looked it up There's only been one fatality

Although I do think it's inevitable. Yeah, I looked it up. There's only been one fatality Involving one and it wasn't even their fault It was a driverless one where someone rear-ended the Waymo like, you know So I was like well, they seem pretty safe like in terms of like the way they drive to they drive real slow and Steady and they're easy to avoid. I Can see taking one like if you're just going around like a neighborhood or something, you know You just like you never going above 30 miles an hour Yeah getting on like the interstate in one of these things imagine if you could show going around like a neighborhood or something, you know You just like you're never going above 30 miles an hour Yeah getting on like the interstate in one of these things imagine if you could show this to Ted Kaczynski Get him away

We are we're allowing them to come to get us we're paying for them we're psyched well, this is cool I'm guilty of it. I have a Tesla that does it does auto driving. You go, yeah, you turn this button on and it fucking stops. It stopped. It signs hits its blinkers, goes around stuff. It's crazy. Do you use it? Very rarely. Okay. It weirds me out, but I do sometimes. Yeah. I mean, I've done it like I've driven, haven't driven me home three or four times. Just like, do do just like, this is crazy. Just cause it's weird's weird you know but I'm always my hands are close you know I'm never like looking at my phone or anything that's crazy I would trust that like if

you just sitting in there and like kind of you could take control if you need need be but that's the bridge bro that's the bridge that's the bridge to transhumanism I think we all need to stay in our separate room. No bridges. I agree, but I think we're going. I think we are the last of these kind of people. And then the people from now on will be like personally like physically integrated with some kind of electronics. Yeah, I don't like that one bit. There's much of an acoustic type fella. I can't be I think there's so much wild genetic stuff going on right now that they're going to change what it means to be a person within our lifetime.

There was a thing in China, see if you can find this, do you know what a tardigrade is? Tardigrades are these really weird little almost insect looking things that are unbelievably durable. They're tiny, microscopic little fuckers. Yeah, they call them like something bears. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, what do they call them? What kind of bears? Water bears. Water bears, yeah.

So these little fuckers can survive forever in space. For whatever reason. They go into like hibernation in space. And they think there's some of them from the Japanese lunar lander that are actually on the moon. They think tardigrades are on the moon and that they're like in a suspended state of animation and that if you brought them back to the United States, they'd kick back in and be alive again. That's how crazy these little fuckers are. So there was this Chinese experiment where they're integrating tardigrade DNA into human DNA.

That's a good idea. There's nothing that could ever go wrong with doing that. But what happens if someone develops like a bulletproof immortal human that lives, like literally lives forever unless it gets hit with a meteor. Like that's not outside of what's possible man. No. They developed or they were developing some kind of, see if you can find that first for making Google this, but they were trying to develop some sort of bulletproof human skin using spider silk. So they were going to sense like Kevlar's buttersilk but your own skin. Like with gene splicing. I don't like that the gene

splicing thing freaks me out. Splice like that movie I don't know if you ever saw that with Adrian Brody. I did. Oh that was crazy. It's a great movie but like just seeing on the I'm like yeah that's what my what my mind immediately goes to is him banging this thing with that. That thing was sick. yeah it was a kind of a goofy movie oh yeah wasn't like like wow I would really believe that was happening no it's Schindler's List or something yeah it's kind of goofy but it was fun and it was just very strange you know that like cuz you go okay, I could kind of see that happen for sure Yeah, I think so. I mean it's kind of what a lot of that is. I just

What was that crisper? You remember that thing was kind of like that was a talking point Well, they have crisper to know which is even more effective apparently made by an artist. Just bullproof skin is made of goat No, this isn't it go. No, there was here. What's that lab-grown skin? Reinforced spider silk and stop bullets, but when you go to what it actually is... Oh, so it's bullshit? It's not bullshit, but it's just, you know, it's someone sort of explaining things differently. I mean, it's not bullets.

I thought there was a study about human skin. That's what I think they were trying to say. Oh, so it's a bullshit headline in this story? Yeah, back from 2018 is when this went... Did you find anything in the tardigrade thing? Yeah, and it had... They were explaining what it did, so there's... It showed that there was a clean transfer.

New cells function normally. But also demonstrated increased rate of cell growth. They're trying to make them immune to radiation is what the idea was. They're making super people man. They're making X-Men. That is so crazy. That is wild. They're gonna put fucking tardigrade genes into humans. God that makes me so uncomfortable. They may create super soldiers So, okay China has already done these genetic experiments on babies that are supposed to Inoculate them to HIV but also somehow increase their intelligence and

The guy got in trouble and they look so you're bad You shouldn't have done that research that we paid you to do and so they put him in jail for like company He was called play golf right and then good fellas now he's out But that happened and that's just what we know about publicly like right Why would they tell if they were like making super soldiers and if they really by the time we hear about it? There's probably some mountain in China that has an underground base just like we have just like area 51 You have some base carved to the side of a mountain. They're doing wild shit over there where Jared Leto lives He lives in the LA one yeah, he lives in the one that's connected to the music scene in Laurel Canyon

You know because it's all like you know the whole music scene in Laurel Canyon, you know, because it's all like, you know, the whole music scene has like weird intelligence agency roots. Trevor Burrus The Laurel Canyon thing is strange. Yeah, yeah, with all those people like Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, maybe not Neil Young, but like yeah, a lot of those artists had like big Vietnam. Yeah, Jim Morrison's dad started Vietnam. I mean that's… Aaron Ross Yes. Jim Morrison's dad was like a serious military man.

Trevor Burrus He was the Navy Admiral during the Gulf of Tonkin. Yeah. It's one of those things where it's like, you first hear about that one, and we go, well, get out of here. But then you hear, well, no, like, it's not like these artists didn't exist, but why did they become famous? Why did they get promoted? Like, what, what was it about? Was it a, do you think it's like a psychology but because like take a guy? In the Laurel Canyon scene like Hendrix like you can't make a Hendrix Accidentally, but you can't make a Jim Morrison

Even though his dad was like there's something about that guy the way he sang His just the way it felt when he was on stage. He was a star man I don't think you could turn a person who isn't that into that. No, not even close. No, no. You can, you can pump up like a pop idol. You can't really pump up a rock star. Right. You can make a boy band. Yeah. You can make a boy band. You could, you know, make Ariana Grande out of clay and send her ass out of there. You can't make Bob Dylan. God, no, you can't do that.

Yeah, you can't do that to Jim Morrison. You can't do that to a lot of those. Like, a actual rock star is just, that's like a flash in the pan. Like, it happened, we don't know how it happened. When you have a musical star, it's like, it either, there's no way, I shouldn't say no way, but I don't think the intelligence agencies can

like get a guy and train them to be that. No, you could like take a budding scene and pump it up, but that scene's already there. Like it was already going to exist, like it already was existing. I mean, there was like the beatnik stuff in New York that was already happening way before any of this. So like, and they were just kind of the next generation of that, just the West Coast version. But you know, there's like, that's all that was already there. So yeah, if you want to say there's like a conspiracy that they pumped it up and like, put more money into like marketing their music to make sure that those artists' music got sold more and played on the radio more,

like kind of a payola sort of thing. That makes sense. I mean, that could be, I don't know that it happened, but. I know, it's confusing, right? Because you wanna draw conclusions, but then you gotta go, okay, you can't invent Janis Joplin. You can't make that in a lab.

When she's singing, Peace of My Heart, you know, like, you just like, that is either, that's like, God just kissed her with this talent. You can't like, engineer that, I don't think. I don't think. There's no way. But if they could do that, they could manipulate all of reality.

Well, if they could do that, then they should probably do another one. Jesus Christ. I mean, the amount of times that I've seen like people on TV, they're supposed to be these like massively famous artists. I'm like, I don't know who any of these people are. And I'm like in the age where I should still know who all these people are. Like I'm pretty young, but like, yeah, I don't know who they are. And they all sound horrible. Like, I don't like, like this is the proof of there being some simulation

where we're all just like listening to the same but I wonder if people thought that about every damn genre music like I think they did but I think there's something Particularly lost about this current generation because of social media yeah, because what we're talking about with those chat bots arguing with each other and we know for sure that happens all over Twitter and Instagram's a lot of bot accounts and just I think people are super confused as to like what's like a real thing right what's real what resonates like what feels what feels what's cool and what's not what's what's being promoted and artificially astroturfed and what's just fucking cool

where it draws people into it and it's harder to tell now It's tricky. Well, it also seems like there isn't Because like, you know, you go back to let's say like the 60s and you think like, okay late 60s This is the time of like, you know Hendrix and like the Rolling Stones the sergeant pepper like right is like the highly influential experimental musicians And yeah cream cream was like, you know like the highly influential experimental musicians. Eric Clapton. Yeah, Cream, Cream was like, you know, hadn't broken up yet, the broken up in like 70. But like the number one song in like 1969, and one of them was, you know, Sugar Sugar

by the Archies. It's like one of the most mainstream bubblegum pop songs ever. It's like there was all, but those like Hendrix and stuff were still there. Like it was in the zeitgeist. It was still popular But now it's like those types of people are nowhere to even be found and it's all just the sugar sugar type Interesting you know I mean, there's still a lot of really good bands now Well, there are is just thing is like the whole music business is weird because you don't sell anything anymore other than tickets to come see people.

But yet there's still a giant industry that is involved in promoting and taking these artists and essentially locking them up to these deals. Well yeah, because you get the ticket money. Yeah, but they get the ticket money now. And that's the thing, the music companies didn't used to get. Exactly. So yeah, you still are going to market distribute the way that you would have in the past. But now you're just getting your your slice of cake from a different.

You know, you're getting it from a different area than you used to. But you're still pumping them out, you know, pumping them up for the same reason, ultimately to make money. It's just you're getting it from a different area than you used to. But you're still pumping them out, pumping them up for the same reason, ultimately to make money, it's just you're getting it in a different way. What I'm saying is that now a bunch of people are merging that aren't doing any of that stuff. You got like your title, the creator type dudes, completely disconnected from that system,

makes his own music, makes his own, he's creative of his own domain. And you don't need all those people. and so you have this weird thing happening now where you have a lot of like AstroTurf stuff a lot of stuff that's just like thrown out there to try to get people to link it sounds like stuff that Yeah, like it's created, but you still have a lot more opportunity for legit artists Just like Zach Bryan just emerged from like TikTok clips or whatever they were. Yeah, right. YouTube clips. Yeah, there's always gonna be the ones who come out in like the indie way, you know, of like, like a what Tarantino was for like movies,

you know, like come out like I'm doing this all on my own. And like, there's, there's always gonna be those people. I just think it seems like there's not a lot of those Through it fucking means something yes like Oliver Anthony Yes, yeah, yeah, you want to want to hear his new song and we can't play it on the show sure just yeah Yeah, how about everybody at home? We'll be right back. That's what I'm talking about Yeah, man. See, that exists, right? So in the middle of all this honey, honey, sugar, sugar shit that you're seeing today, there's still, there's still Oliver Anthony. There's still people out there that are legit. They're legit. There's a bunch, man.

There's a lot. There's just a lot of noise. Yes, true, and I think I also just don't try to find things as much, you know what I mean? Like I don't like pursue it the way I probably should because in my head I just have this like bias of like, if it came out in the last 20 years, I don't care. It's hard to find stuff, you know? It's like I get suggestions from a lot of my friends.

That's some of the best songs, but also Spotify has a really good. I work for Spotify But for real they they're their suggestion thing is legit. It's amazing the the algorithms very good. It's legit It knows like the kind of vibe you're into. Yeah. Yeah. I agree I cuz I'll look you know put in just some like random playlists or like in my head think of like, well, what do I want to hear like right now? How about like, 70s garage rock, and I'll just write that in and there's like all this amazing stuff little have like some deep cuts from like the stones like one of my favorite bands and like, you know, just all this other stuff that I've never heard before, but it all came out around that time. Yeah the same sound. There's never a miss on that whole list of like 200 songs. This is incredible. There's some great playlists. It's like, that's what's interesting too about people curating their own playlists. There's a bunch of my friends that will give me their playlists.

Tony gave me one of his playlists the other day. I was like, God damn, this is fucking legit. A bunch of cool shit that I never heard before. I his playlists the other day. I was like, god damn, this is fucking legit. Like a bunch of cool shit that I never heard before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I make playlists all the time. That's one of my favorite things to do is like a hobby is to make playlists for people. I love it.

Like if they tell me like, oh, I'm like, I like wanna know more songs that sound like this. I'll be like, gotcha. I'll make you a playlist and send it to you. I love doing stuff like that for people. Yeah. Yeah, I only have one playlist, but it's like 39 hours long. That's pretty good. I mean, how much do you really need? Yeah.

It's ridiculous though to try to find songs in it. I have to use the search bar. I can never just scroll down. There's too many of them. I have probably 40 playlists that I've made. Yeah, because I do them by like decades and then I'll do genres within decades. Oh man, you're fucking super specific. Well, I'm just like slightly autistic. How much, what percent? Or not even slightly. How much, what percent?

Gotta be 55, 56. Like enough to where I can like, you know, I can function. Do you smell math? No, see, when it comes to that, I don't have any of that autism. I just have the weird like, I can't handle too many sounds autism. Oh, interesting. Yeah, no, I can't handle a lot of stimulus, and then I make playlists or do jigsaw puzzles. Interesting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, or read 24-7 and look up random bullshit. That's the superpower of it, right? I think so, I mean, yeah, I'm glad I have, you know, I don't know if I'm really autistic, but if I am, I'm glad I have that. Well, are you self diagnosed? Of course. Oh, there you go. I'm self diagnosed. You are a doctor though, right? Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I mean, as much as you know, I'm guilty as charged, I self diagnosed myself with ADHD. Yeah, but you ADHD. Yeah, but you know yourself better than anybody else.

So you should be able to self-diagnose yourself. Well, I don't think necessarily ADHD is even totally real. I think it's one of those things for people that just think differently and they're fucking bored as shit and they can't pay attention to stuff that sucks. Well, and there probably is some disorder in it, but to like Because I don't think it's so wrong to say that there is like a thing but to say that it's like a disorder and that It's negative and then it needs to be treated is different. Like I don't think ADHD necessarily needs to be treated It just needs to be like funneled It's only a disorder because we have a very rigid civilization

Exactly if we so we don't live in accordance to the way our bodies were designed. Our bodies were designed to be hunter gatherers. That's the reality. That's the reality because it takes so long to become a hunter and gatherer, and it took like hundreds of thousands of years for us to be good at it.

And we've only been living in civilization for a little tiny little blink of time. Little tiny bit. So our fucking programming is all not to sit still all day, not to stare at a fucking teacher, not to be bored memorizing shit. Our old thing is like be active, do something, learn, get excited about something. So we have like an entire forgotten group of people that have so much energy and they have all these interests that are not what you're dulling them down with all day long. And they could learn in a way better manner by just like participating in things and yeah,

reading stuff as well. But having a teacher that actually is enthusiastic about it where they get you excited about it, like not having to sit down all day, you're fucking 10, you want to run, you want to play with your friends, you want to have fun and you just sit there. And by the end of the day, like, I hate school. Yes, it's fucking boring. Yeah, school sucks. School ruins everything. It ruins the natural love of learning that I think most humans have is ruined by public by schools, one, you're there way longer than you should be.

There's no reason a kid should be in school for eight hours, nine hours sometimes. Why would an eight-year-old need to be in school that long? It's a real good question. It doesn't make any sense. What are they actually – what are you teaching a 10-year-old in eight hours? That they're going to remember. Yeah. And also, I mean, like, don't have – you don't have to have recess. You don't have to have all these extra things like you can shorten all this down,

make it more streamlined and have kids home. But it's just to prepare people for a nine to five. And so many to parents or so many households have both parents working. So it's like, well, it is kind of nice to not have a babysitter. You just send your kid to school and, you know, have your kid be a lachki kid. Like I was like I was, too. Yeah. That was a normal thing back then. No one thought twice about letting your kids just go outside. Like all the kids in the neighborhood, we all grew up like that. We all would just go over each other's houses. We'd just come home from

school, move his home, he had a key. Yeah. I would just come in and start playing guitar or something. I mean, I didn't go around the neighborhood. It was a lot of meth labs, a lot of fully functioning meth labs. You lived in meth labs when you were a kid? Yeah. No shit dude. Fully functioning. Where'd you live? Well, East Texas which is-

Don't have to say, don't rat anybody out. Don't hit the address. There's some meth head right now that's like, the motherfucker, I remember him, I'm gonna fucking find him. Well, they've actually all kind of blown themselves up since then. Funny how that works. Yeah. Nature really has a way of taking care of itself, you know?

That is such a crazy decision to make. I'm gonna cook Matt in a trailer. Yeah, one blew up. Like the one next to my house blew up not that long ago. Like I was just asleep. I thought I heard a shotgun and looked and there's just fire. I was like, what is this? I'm imagining a slow mo of the trailer blowing up with that Oliver Anthony song playing the background

Yeah, you'd be you wouldn't be far off Yeah, it's pretty close but yeah meth labs are known they are known to go up badly Yeah, yeah, I do. It was not a neighborhood that you go like ride bikes around and like play And shut like that, but because you're cooking meth and you're on meth So right. Yeah, and even if you're not on meth, you're in contact with it all the time So you're probably getting at least a skin high well, and they're not using like, you know high grade equipment I mean they're wearing like, you know some like Like cheap gloves maybe I mean most of his bare-handed, you know, they're like old-school wearing like, you know, some like, like cheap gloves, maybe.

I mean, most of us bare handed, you know, they're like old school hat makers, you know, that would get mercury poisoning and go crazy. What's really crazy is that we look at that and we say that is so nuts that people take meth. Why would you do that? And yet, what percentage of kids today are on Adderall? Which is the exact same thing, just a slow release, a delayed release meth. Aaron Ross What percentage?

If you had to guess. Trevor Burrus I mean it's probably lower than we think because in my head I think it's like 40% but it's probably about 15. If I'm really guessing like trying to win some money. Aaron Ross God, that's a lot. 15% is a lot. Trevor Burrus That's still a lot. That's still so many kids.

Aaron Ross That's crazy. It's more than 1 out of 10. And that's so crazy. That's just the idea that it's nuts. Yeah, they're all on meth Yeah, yeah, and that's an ADHD thing, right? They give it to you any of ADHD. Yeah riddle Yeah, I used to be ADHD medication when I was a kid. I would run through Take my clothes off ran through the woods Well, what's crazy just turns kids into a zombie. Yeah. Like it's, it's, it's so sad. Like I used to work in a pharmacy for a long time and just seeing like

how many parents are coming in there, giving their kids, their kids just like zonked out. They look like they're in one floor of the Cougars. And I see now like, and yeah, they're just like, oh, here's my kid, this like high level amount of, you know, I can riddle in or whatever, uh, five ants, you know, adderall, like it's, it is wild. Yeah, it's spooky. It was a party drug for us. It's spooky that you can get a doctor to tell you that's cool too.

As long as the doctor tells you it's okay. Yeah, he needs that. Oh, great. Look, we've got medication for him. We're going to be fine. Little Billy's going to be be fine because you come home from school from work rather your feet hurt you fucking sit down I take your shoes off the kid's fucking sword fighting with his brother in the middle of the living room like hey you gotta stop you gotta listen to me hey you little fucker you're so tired ankle hurts you can't get up like medicate this little motherfucker yeah

okay yes yeah because it's easy to do and and you have a doctor telling you it's okay So that immediately gives you some like reassurance that like why would a medical professional tell me this is a medical professional And he gives me my medication. He wouldn't just allows me to get through my day as well Great Rolling Stones song remember that the mother's little helper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah mother. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That? Mother's Little Helper? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mother, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it's called, right? Yeah, it is, it is. Great fucking song. Great, I mean.

Running for the shelter. Yeah, I think that was the Valium days, right? Was that what it was? Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know if they didn't necessarily call it that, but there was like speed and Valium. Right. Like an upper and a downer.

Right. You know, you take the upper to get all your chores done as a housewife, and then you take the downer so you didn't kill your kids they prescribe those to people like candy Yeah forever. Well, I think they figured out that Valium is like super addictive, right? Yeah I think they legitimately didn't know back then. Oh, yeah any excuse after that You're out of your mind like the Oxycontin bulls, you know, yeah like oh for sure They knew about Oxycontin being they knew that was essentially heroin

I mean, that's one of the great moments in that Peter Berg docu-series on Netflix. Yeah, where docu-drama series where the guy is breaking it down to him the doctors breaking down to him like you're When the hot girl comes in just pitching that stuff and he's like you're selling heroin Yeah, you need this is exactly the same thing's like, you're selling heroin. Yeah. This is exactly the same thing as heroin. You're telling me I should put my patients on heroin? What are you doing? The lone ethical doctor in the fucking shitty little house

that he lives in. Yeah, because he doesn't make the big money. Because he's an ethical. Because he's a good guy, which is, unfortunately, not unrealistic. Like, you know, that's how it is. Yeah. Cause if you prescribe it, they give you, you know, a $500 gift card to, you know,

a steak house, they'll, you know, they'll, they'll buy you a new car. Well, that all that stuff's nuts. You know, like with a certain amount of vaccines, if 60% of your patients or more are vaccinated, you get a larger incentive. So you like pushing it. Yeah. That the whole thing is nuts. It's nuts that that's legal. Incentivizing anything medical medical is not why are you doing that? Like, dude, there was a guy that got arrested. I forget how many patients it was. But he was an oncologist and he was giving people chemotherapy that didn't have cancer. Because chemotherapy is very profitable. So this piece of shit was telling people

that they had cancer and then giving them fucking chemotherapy. That's bad. Just for money. That sucks. There's a special place to hell for that. And it was like a bunch of people. And I think he had some insane excuse when they asked. You know that you eat what you kill? You know that philosophy that they kind of have in medical school, like you have to do surgeries because that's how you get your money.

Like, I thought you were fixing folks. I didn't think this is all about you making money. That's crazy. And the fact that they incentivize you to do that. So a pharmaceutical drug company can incentivize you To push their stuff right? Whoa You had to push their medicine over another medicine even though their medicine might have more side effects or maybe not even be the exact right one Yeah, yeah, like I'm on a couple pharmaceuticals. What do you want?

Effector and I took a cloninin about two hours ago. So well, small, very small dose. It actually did absolutely nothing. So maybe it kicks in in five. We'll find out. What is Effexor? Is that an SSRI? Yeah, it's an SSRI. But, um, And when did you start getting on that stuff? Oh, I started taking those, um, probably 2013. Wow. Yeah. I've never noticed a difference. I just keep taking them because I think at some point it's going to work.

What? I mean, you never know. Sometimes there's like a delay in the effectiveness. Have you ever gone off them just to see what it feels like? Yeah, because I started, well, whenever I started drinking a lot, I was like, it said you're not supposed to do both. So I just take the alcohol. I'll take the depressant over the anti-depressant.

Well the alcohol worked, for sure. Oh really, interesting. Well that night it worked real well, and then the next day it's like, you know. That's the problem. Yeah, I mean if my ceiling was stronger, I'd have a noose hanging up there, but yeah. Well, you know, it's like someone's gotta design

a better alcohol. Someone's gotta design something that that first of all doesn't Massively fuck up your motor functions You know, which is the most dangerous part of alcohol. So yeah I want that to happen. I like that Like the whole feeling like just stumbling. Yeah being hammered. Yeah, I like waking up and being like, why is my knee bleeding? Like that's a great feeling.

It's definitely fun to be had. But it's just like you're agreeing, just like you're agreeing when you're smoking cigarettes. Like I'm giving up some health here for this experience. There's like a quote, I don't know whose it is, it's definitely not mine, but like getting drunk is you're just buying happiness from tomorrow. It's a great quote, it makes sense because that's what you're doing. You're getting twice as happy, but tomorrow you're going to have zero happiness. I was buying like weeks ahead. Yeah, well some people just keep that like Bert Kreischer, he just keeps that party rolling. He never

stops. He just knocked out party rolling. He never stops We just knocked out a 5k good for him. I got invited to go do that and I couldn't turn that down fast enough Y'all know I'm not gonna go run a 5k unless someone's chasing me bro jelly roll has lost something insane I think he's down 140 pounds pounds I thought it was even more than that but maybe is it more than that I think I think I don't want it's an insane amount he looks so good he looks different it looks like a different person is wild that's a lot I mean oh yes he 180 is what I thought I had her unbelievable yeah unbelievable I mean that's a that's unbelievable

It's an adult human see if there's a there's a video I think that's on Burt Kreischer's Instagram of Burt with him on stage and Burt is bigger than Jelly Roll But he's right next to him and Jelly Roll is almost unrecognizable. Yeah, I mean he's so much thinner He looks great and he's committed Yeah, I mean he's so much thinner. He looks great, and he's committed He's like fucking all in on this all in on being healthy. I gotta do it. He ran a 5k Look at that. Yeah, there was yeah Boy look at Burt. Burt's bigger than him look. I'm not lying. No you're really not yeah That's jelly roll looks like a totally different human being yeah. I mean he looks looks good. Yeah, that's... Jelly Roll looks like a totally different human being. Yeah, I mean, he looks good.

Yeah, he looks great. I mean, that's crazy. That's extraordinary that he's been able to do that. Yeah. And how long? I mean, it hasn't been that long, I don't think. I mean, I think... His weight loss, he wanted to lose 100 pounds. It

says his first goal. Okay, so he passed that goal in 2024. Okay, so he already lost 100 pounds by 2024. Okay, so here we are in May of 2025. Next year, he says half marathon. Wow. I mean, he could why not? Why? Why not? Yeah, if he did 5k he can do it. 5k is what, three and a half miles? Uh huh. Yeah. Wow.

So having marathons is 13.1 or 13 I guess. His weight goal is to be under 250 pounds. Well he'll definitely be there. He said to do all the fun stuff in life you gotta be under 250. Absolutely. Skydiving, ride a rolleriving, riding a bull and wrestling an alligator. Oh don't do a lot of those things. I'll tell you what, you know, the wrestling an alligator thing, I can tell you from first hand experience, you can be any weight and

wrestle a fucking alligator. Really? Why not? I mean I feel like the bigger you are, you're gonna die, you're gonna die. I figure the bigger you are the better at wrestling you are for an alligator. You don't want to be 120 pounds and jump on the back of an alligator That's true But you don't even want to be 300 pounds jump on the back of an alligator because they roll Like their whole thing is rolling but they wouldn't be able to roll quite as much if I'm on the back of an alligator that Thing is not budging Boy, I think you're wrong. That could I think you're really wrong. I'm really sure you're wrong. I would like to test it

I don't want you to seem like a nice guy. I've seen so many videos Especially Crocs when dudes like they put their arm in a croc and the crocs like not Well, see crocodiles different crocodiles very vicious and alligators basically just a giant turtle I mean you could just smack that down. It's not gonna do anything to you. They eat people. They'll get you. They still eat people. No, no they'll eat a grown adult if they get a hold of you. They'll take you and drag you under a log. It's just they're not as aggressive as crocs. Crocs actively target people whereas alligators are like if you fuck up like there's a fun story guy was in a police chase in Florida Cops are chasing him gets to a bridge

Jumps out of the car into the water lands on an alligator and just gets mauled right in front of the cops He gets killed by an alligator right in front of a big in two It was like a big like like again like the book coming out today 13 footer Like right when you die a man you're like Oh no! Quiet! It grabs a hold of your head and starts rolling Yeah

Have you ever been close to one? Fuck yeah Yeah I've snuck up on one Well accidentally snuck up on one once And it is kind of terrifying Hearing the, I can't make the sound but that like Yeah, you know that sound they make brother dinosaurs. Yeah, they're heartless soulless eating machines

I was going to take a piss by a tree and just heard that sound I was like it was nighttime So I'm like, oh, I don't I don't like that. That just happened. That's not and look around there's one not like Oh, I don't I don't like that that just happened. That's not and look around there's one not like Super close but close enough to get a good look and be like, oh when I was a kid I lived in Florida from age 11 to 13 Yeah, we lived in Gainesville, which is why by this place called Lake Alice and Lake Alice had all kinds of out And people would go there and feed them marshmallows chuck marshmallows in the water and then they eventually told you hey stop doing That's bad for the alligators, but alligators were like a protected species back then I'd have been dressing up like an alligator so quick But it was so weird while to be like I lived in San Francisco before that so you know

You see nothing and then all sudden dinosaurs like legit Why I remember being a little kid thinking why is everybody so goddamn comfortable? Been around these huge fucking yes It is crazy when you go to Florida cuz I'm I'm pretty close to Caddo Lake John a familiar Caddo Lake, but it's no it's like the largest natural lake in Texas It looks like you went back in time five million years sixty million years like it's scariest looking place on the planet. And, um,

there's just filled with alligators. So we would go there as a kid all the time. And yeah, you see alligators and you're just like, but nobody cares. Like people were just like out barbecue and like grilling up against the light. And you know, obviously the meat being around like these alligators just come up just don't care. They're just like, all right. That's so crazy. So crazy that people just tolerate dinosaurs. Yeah. I mean, I guess just don't care. Well, there's like, all right, that's so crazy. Yeah, so crazy that people just tolerate dinosaurs Yeah, I mean I guess just you know, they don't do anything to people like unprovoked really like as far as I know I mean, well they can they certainly yeah for sure, but they're just like they're so overpopulated now

They're all over Florida. They say essentially any body of water in Florida that's still, there's a potential for an alligator being inside of it. Cause they just travel at night and go into a new lake and sit there and wait. They can hold their breath for hours. God, I would like to get on them. They don't have to eat for a year. Like what? Like what? What are we doing? Jesus. Oh my God. That's from Cato Lake in 2016. Oh that is, yep, yep, yep, yep. Have you ever heard of alligator gars Yeah, we have them. Yes. So like my family alum living Gonzalez I'm familiar with that is but by San Antonio and they go like bow fishing for gars and we used to go fishing for gars

Like in a spillway just fish for these bastards. You can't eat them Apparently you can you could smoke them. That's what I heard. We would just pull them up and then smash their head with a rock and rude My point was some guy just caught a world record in Texas. I think it was out in Lakeway, I forget where it was but it was seven feet long See if you could find it and he caught it on like two pound test or something crazy No, I mean that was a lake trout different story there's gonna be bigger ones than that than seven feet I wonder if it was jays look at the size of that thing man that's so crazy that is Houston Chronicle so look at the size of that thing oh my god

that's so big 212 pound alligator gar and those things man look like they're from a different era Those things look like they're not supposed to exist like that is a goddamn prehistoric creature pull up some photos Jamie of alligator cars they also don't attack people no no they don't very kind of skittish But my kids found out that they're in lakes now look at their face like look at that photo look at that face man that looks like something from a book on dinosaurs right yeah it's like a sturgeon like this huge ass sturdier Alaska we're like from a different time yeah a sturgeon looks like it doesn't belong in this time look at that thing man

I don't like that, but even the eyes it just looks primitive like a shit early design like a 1955 Ford You know what I mean? It's like what were you doing back? Like that's a shit design Edsel that stupid eyeball at the end of the mouth looks dumb, right? Make that picture bigger the one that's you got it. That's big right now look Look how fucking crazy that is It's a lot Tommy is so crazy look at that thing man. You never go they only give you a small ver in that weird What a weird even if you open it in there. That's so strange the thing wow

But look how bad that design is. You know what it's like? It's like you ever see a Dodge Charger, like a 69 Charger, a badass looking car. But why is it so long and goofy? What's going on here? It's like old time. They haven't figured out proportions yet.

Looks weird. Yeah. That thing looks weird. It doesn't look modern. It looks like it's from a different time. Definitely not modern. Why does it have a nose? Probably slammed into things. Oh, like it's from a different time. Definitely not modern. Why does it have a nose? Probably slammed into things. Like a hole. No, that's like a real nostril. Doesn't it breathe somewhere, another way, unless it can breathe above. Is that a nostril you think? I don't know.

Well, it does look like a nostril. See if there's other ones that show that same thing. That's crazy if that's a nostril. That could just be a hole in its nose. It could, but I think... Unless they're like... No. Oh, God. That does look like a nostril. They all have a little nostril. Find out if it can alligator guards breathe air. Because there are some fish that gulp air. Have you ever seen that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When they go up, they actually can gulp air if there's no oxygen in the water. I mean, these things all look like they have nostrils. Whoa, they have nostrils. Swim bladder. But the primary respiratory organ is the swim bladder bladder which can be used to breathe in air when needed especially in low oxygen Environments Wow, but they do breathe using gills at the top. They say they have gills and nostrils That's nuts like

Like most fish have nostrils Most fish have nostrils However, they have a unique adaptation a swim bladder connected to their mouth whoa and swim bladder functions as a lung allowing them to breathe air see that's why they're still around when when did these motherfuckers first start being around like how long they've been on earth for I'm gonna guess millions oh right yeah 100% that seems like a many million year old fish. I would guess like 100 oh

100 million in the cretaceous. So that's pre dinosaur death Yes, 65 million. So yeah, so they they were around long before they overlapped for 35 million years nuts But that's essentially a prehistoric creature that you can go shoot with a bow. Yeah or like me smash their head in with your rock while your uncle's drunk. Kind of crazy that that's a you know it's an activity that people do but I do hear that you can smoke them and then they taste good. I'll leave that up to... You won't even try it? Like if someone's really good and they cook for you?

And they're like, just try it, dude, try it. I'd pretty much try anything. So yeah, I try. I've eaten worse things. I had beaver once. I bet you. Really? Well, I was.

Me too, one day I hope. No, me and my friend Brian Callan and Steve Rinella It was on television show meat eater and they trapped a beaver and he cooked it. He made like a pot roast It was fucking delicious. It was really good. I tried but Steve's like an excellent cook. Yeah Yeah, really like his cookbooks like right excellent cook. So he really knows how to make something cooks on the show. Yeah That's uh, yeah, I try I mean, there's not really any I'd eat a dog. I'd eat I try I can't eat a dog or I couldn't eat a person like I could eat a person if I had to eat a person I don't think it would take all that much. Well, I think historically you've been proven to be correct. Yeah

Yeah, historically when push comes to shove, people will eat people. Yeah, I mean, what was the name? General Butt Naked? You ever heard of him? Oh yeah. Yeah, he was eating people. I mean, that's how he busted that guy at that market, you know, that was serving human meat.

That guy killed and ate people and then he was forgiven because he found Jesus. Yeah. And then he became a pastor. Amazing. He would take off all his clothes and go into battle and kill people while his butt naked. With a machete. With a machete. He would find children, kill them, cut their heart out and eat it so that he would become invincible.

Eat the heart of his enemy's children. It worked. He's still alive. That's the thing, you can dismiss it all you want. Yeah, but the proof is in the pudding, as they say. The devil has very specific rules if you want the superpower. From monster to minister is the past about to catch up to Liberia's war criminals. So that's the thing is Liberia. Okay, do you know the history of Liberia? Yeah, with James Monroe and Monroe. I mean, well, I know like that it was a colony basically

to send African like slaves back to Africa. Exactly. And yes, why the capital's Monroe via his name after James Monroe. It is an insane place. In the weeks before he found Jesus the evangelist formerly known as General Butt naked reckons he was sacrificing four or five children a day. Oh my God. Murder had long come naturally to him. He was only 11 when the elders who had steeped him in the ways of witchcraft first handed him the sacrificial knife. But he never killed with such intensity and ferocity as during those weeks in mid 1996, when Liberia's first civil war reached its calamitous climax on the blood-soaked streets of Monrovia, the country's battered

capital. Several times a day, the warlord and his battalion of boys, all naked as he was, would emerge into the maelstrom, firing wildly as they added their own breed of terror to the chaos. Wow. Yet the bloodletting always began before a single bullet had been fired, before each engagement, butt naked, pagan priest and holy warrior would lay a child face down on the sacrificial table, slice open its victims back and pull out their still beating heart, thus ensuring magical protection for the coming battle. Fucking. Yo. ensuring magical protection for the coming battle. Fucking yo.

It's not really like a nice thing to do to someone. I mean, fucking. Yeah, that's that's insane. I mean, I don't care if you found Jesus, but he found Jesus. Hold on. He found Jesus. Is that actually why he got let off or more than 20 years later? General butt naked. Nom de Gur evangelist Joshua Milton

blah he no longer cares to use has never appeared in court for the war crimes he so freely admits to neither for that matter has anyone else not in Liberia at least that's pretty crazy so they didn't even try it's not like he got off they just didn't even try That's how bad that place is. Yeah, cuz he was under what's that guys named Charles Taylor Charles Taylor is an absolute nut job as well. You ever seen machine gun preacher with Gerard Butler? No, I didn't Oh, you gotta watch that movie. Yeah, so good machine gun preacher. Yeah, sounds like is this one Maybe 2014 2015 or so So you're decently old. 2011, okay. Yeah, but it's based on true story of a guy who, you know, had like some alcohol, like drug issues,

I believe, and here it is. Machine gun preacher. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's a- I'll check that out. Jamie, will you do me a favor and send me a note? Yeah, he went to Africa, like this guy, yeah, went to Africa and started, um, like building these, like, you know, kind of, I guess not orphanages, but like schools,

basically. And then obviously, you know, the warlords would come in and burn these schools down because they didn't want them being built and try to take the money that's being donated. So he started, like, going over there, like, he was at one point just kind of, you know, getting money and sending it there. And then he was like, well, I'll actually go over there with weapons and I'll protect these schools. And it's basically what he did. It's a pretty crazy story. The movie. Yes. Phenomenal. Yeah, man. There are parts of the world that are just fucking bananas. Yeah. Which is really great about the early days of Vice.

Oh yeah. The early days of Vice, when they would go and interview General Butt-Naked. That's where I heard about him, was the Vice documentary. It was the Cannibal Warlords of Liberia, was the documentary. They would go everywhere, all the crazy places.

They would go to all parts of the world. Yeah, it's amazing just how crazy people are. People that don't visit those places of the world. Yeah, it's, yeah, amazing, like, just how crazy people are. People that don't visit those places of the world, they don't see, like, the look in the eyes of people that have been to all those dangerous parts, like my friend Shane, Shane Smith from Vice, he's got this, when he starts talking about these places

that he's been, especially the early days, like, there's like, he has an understanding of the dangers of the outside world that I think us in this little gated community we call the United States, we're very, very ignorant about how fucking sideways things have gone in other parts of the world right now. While you're enjoying Netflix,

cuddling up with your sweetheart, eating popcorn, there's parts of the world right now where someone's cutting out a child's heart to eat it before they go to battle like maybe not in the same timeline but close enough it's not I mean who knows cuz he's not doing it doesn't mean somebody else's happening right now in certain warntorn parts of the world yeah and we just think well you know what we really need is equity like we do about the climate the climate Should be our number one priority like yeah

Actually stay safe. Yeah fucking stay safe, and you need to understand. There's a bunch of spots that aren't safe Yeah, well and also yeah climate change sure worry about it But uh like that kids gonna get his heart ripped out in the next 15 minutes Let's go ahead and like worry about him. That's probably number one And then yeah, let's go ahead and worry about him for a little bit. I think people- Then we'll go to climate after that. People who are good people don't want to believe that there's bad people in the world. And I

understand that reluctance. I understand that you have this perspective and in your world that you've cultivated, you probably are safe because you've cultivated this world of a bunch of people that share the worldview of you. But when you enter into other people's spaces and you are ignorant to their culture and how crazy We're like I read about this cut this couple He's decided that they're gonna prove that people are just good people everywhere and they went and hung out with Isis and they killed them Did you read about that one Jamie? Do you know that story? That is incredible. I was like, you need better friends. You need better friends.

You need better friends that show you some videos, you know, that show you like this is what's going on in this part of the world. You have to understand like it is you need to talk to someone who's maybe served in Afghanistan. Like you need to understand what's going on over there. The problem is those people would never listen to that. They'd be like, well, you just saw the bad side of Isis like you got you got Isis on a bad day It was like I have a lighter that my friend Chris Williamson gave me That is from my comedy club that went to Antarctica because they took a group of people to show them that the world isn't flat They show them the Sun actually at the start. It does around like that you can watch it the whole time. Like fuck! Completely recalibrate.

Like that guy that tried to launch himself up in the sky to prove it and he died. Yeah that guy he needed better friends. All these people just need better friends. Like yeah you need need any people around you Don't do that. Yeah, and just are to reassure them just tell them it's flat don't worry It is flat you don't have work as if it was like imagine if all those morons were right and then Everybody all these scientists all these sad all lies all in yeah They've all been in cahoots for this whole time But even was a Socrates or Aristotle I think Aristotle that mapped it out back in 3,000 years ago.

Aaron Ross Powell This is my take on it. I firmly believe that at one point in time, there was a bunch of people that were uninformed that thought the world was flat way back in the day. Then they figured it out with experiments and then you look at all the other bodies in the solar system. Everything else is round. Kind of makes sense you Realize that this is our planets are formed gravity spins and the whole deal

Um, but then I think they're psyops and I think a bunch of people went on there just like they did with women with the free bleeding movement They convinced women to just fucking bleed all over their crotch They convinced them and they did it by making it seem like a feminist thing like fuck the patriarchy. I don't have to wear a fucking tampon, I'm gonna wear white pants, fuck you, look at my blood. And then women actually went and did it because people will buy into almost anything. There's a certain percentage of the population, whatever it is, that's so easily, they're so suggestible, they're so easily influenced.

Yeah. You can kind of talk them into almost anything. And I think that's part of where the Flat Earth thing got sideways. Because I think just like MK Ultra used to exist, I think there's still some, let's find out how dumb they are experiments. Yeah. You know, it's also just a lot of real dumb people. There's also some people who like, they also want to like, There's also just a lot of real dumb people. There's also some people who like, they also want to like think that everything's a cover-up. I don't trust NASA. Like, why would I trust NASA? I don't know, why not?

Like, we didn't go to the moon, so the earth must be flat. I guess if those two things are related, I don't know. I mean, yeah, I just, yeah, there's a lot of that. There's a lot of people that don't want to actually do research they want to watch a YouTube video and then start talking about it That's me. That's my mom with it. Yeah Yeah, I like a good deep dive, but sometimes just give me the Yeah, well sometimes I'm just fucking around and I'm not really serious about whether or not I care if it's real I'm more interested to know about these emerald tablets. Like are they who's got them? What do they say like I don't want to know it's a hoax, but I'm only fucking around

I'm not like completely invested in it But when you're you start making videos about how you're correct in the world is flat and everybody else is wrong like No, that's yeah, you're being you're annoying. This is silly like you're just not just not seeing things correctly. Like yeah, there's a lot of lies. Yeah, there's a lot of conspiracies. It doesn't mean all of it. Okay, it doesn't mean the stars are actually lights in the sky. You know, a more interesting possibility

is that it only exists when consciousness engages with it. And then that's the real simulation theory. That's the real weirdness. That's when things get like Tom Campbell, you know, the My Big Toe, the theory of everything. That's when things get really weird when instead of consciousness is like a part of the creation of reality itself,

that it's all integrated. Jesus. Yeah. I don't like thinking about any of that stuff. He weirded me out. Yeah, I don't like the, like space. I'll leave that alone. I don't like thinking about any of that stuff. He weirded me out. Yeah, I don't like space. I leave that alone. I don't know.

Space, because also like what happened before. And then what happened before that. There's an environment before the Big Bang. Yeah, I think they call it the environment. Is that what it's called? The environment before the Big Bang? Yeah, what did they call it? Brian Cox was explaining it to us. I was like, what? Oh, what did they call it? Brian Cox was explaining to us. I

was like, what? Oh, god. Yeah. Like the all theoretical, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Which is the problem. Because then, like, sometimes it's just, I don't know, like, I couldn't have that be which, you know, great for like those people. I could not have that be my life is coming up with these theorems and like studying them, because you're never going to get an answer. But it doesn't have to be you. I'm glad it's not you. Oh, well, yeah, yeah, for sure.

I'm glad you do what you do. Exactly. No, I'm glad that they do it. I'm just saying like for me, it would drive me absolutely because I have to like know an answer. Right. I can't. I hate like hypotheticals and like...

Like string theory. I hate it. That can piss off. I don't need to like hypotheticals and like like string theory. I hate it that that can piss off. I don't need to know any about that. That one's weird. Yeah. Any of that stuff I like I like this happened on this day. This is who was involved. This is what happened right. Hard that kind of stuff. Well space is the ultimate who the fuck knows because we can only see so far. We see so far. But even so far is only so far. Well, and then they're saying like, it's always expanding. What's that? That can't be true. Cause like, what is expanding into?

If space is space, you know, if they're like, Oh, it's like blowing up a balloon where everything's okay. But you're blowing up a balloon in a room. Right. So what's the room that you're blowing the balloon to? And then that's in a bigger room. And then that's right. And then there's the concept that it's actually finite It's not infinite and it's some sort of donut shape. It's like good Lord goes back around eventually Then who made all that right? Is there a God did God make this or is God the universe? Yeah, but then who made God and then that bothers me. Right, but who made that thing?

Is that a thing that we think that like because we were born and we die that we have these biological limitations that we attach to the universe itself? That's very, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, that we just we see things as being built and destroyed. That there's always been something, wouldn't it be crazy if there wasn't something at one point in time That seems even crazier then there always has been something because if it's just something if it's just the nature of everything There is always something right, right? It couldn't be nothing and then all of a sudden everything that seems because What kicked that off? Exactly. What snapped its fingers?

That's McKenna's great line, Terrence McKenna had a great line about the difference between science and religion is that science only asks you for one miracle. I want you to believe in one miracle, the Big Bang. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good one. It's a great line. It's because it really is true. And it's funny because people would be incredulous about the resurrection of Jesus Christ, but yet they're convinced that the entire universe was smaller than the head of a pen and for no reason than anybody's adequately explained to me.

Makes sense. Yeah, no. Instantaneously became everything. Yeah. Okay. I can't buy that. I'm sticking with Jesus. Yeah. I'm that one. Jesus makes more sense. It makes

it like people have come back to life. Like in fact, you were one of your videos was about a woman who was hung. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Tell that one. Was it Nancy Green or Anne Green? I think Anne Green. Yeah, she was basically a miscarriage and at the time, it was basically like, oh, you're a witch. We're going to kill you because your baby is not – it didn't live. So she just buried the thing, acted like nothing happened. They tried her, convicted her. Trevor Burrus So she had a miscarriage, buried the child and then caught her.

Trevor Burrus Yeah, they caught her thinking that she had killed the kid. Like why would you be just burying your baby? Like, they weren't really thinking that, oh, yeah, she had a miscarriage. Hunger, I mean, as far as they know, she's dead, put her in a box, wooden box, take her to a mortuary and the guys, you know, getting her ready to prep her to bury her and she wakes back up after they start doing like, they feel, well, they feel like a faint pulse. And they're like, oh my God, this woman's still alive, but she's not like coherent and alert. So they start giving her like a tobacco smoke enemas, which all gotta be a great idea.

How do you go to that one first? Well, I don't know. I think I got an idea. I mean, slapping the hell out of her probably was the first option. I got a tube and a pack of Marlboro. There it is. Yeah, pouring hot.

Yeah, they poured this, which I don't know what cordial. I think it's just some sort of like liquid. Any, is that what, just liquid? Yeah, I don't know. Invigorating or stimulating preparation that's intended for medicinal purpose. The term derives from obsolete usage. It's basically Robitussin. Yeah, some sort of alcohol, I think. Yeah, hoarded or hot. Buffalo trace. Let's go lady. her limbs and extremities bloodletting. Always a good option It's pull to pull to us. I didn't know about the poultice Moist man, so like a so basically putting like a like a hot, you know Okay

Like serials is a base so they put on materials like cereal. This is a base. So they put oatmeal on our Tobacco there's this experiment on this lady the tobacco smoke animal to me is the wildest one like you went up her asshole With a cigar is that what you did you weird? Yeah, like a backdoor Clinton That's a guy that wanted to smoke a cigarette in the operating rooms like I know Supposed to be deceiving you A lot of morticians have been freaks like that's one that famous Sam Kinnison bit. Yeah Oh, yeah, yeah Yeah It's one of the greatest bits of all time. They're talking after 12 hours. Yeah started eating food That's nuts. So like recovered She came back from the dead. She told me Jesus can't

Well, Jesus it was after three days. I feel like after three days, you're already people are tougher back then bro Well, that's true. Two thousand years ago people were there. They had some gumption to them. Well they're probably also 2000 years less evolved so they're probably stronger. Stronger? Yeah like more robust. Oh. They were able to survive. If you survived 2000 years ago I just would imagine like you're going through some tough times. Yeah. You know like you can't have like, there's no bad genes back then, nobody makes it. Yeah, and Jesus went through some stuff by the time he hit 33. I just think human beings probably,

we're probably dealing with a very robust gene pool. The people that did live, you know? Yeah, yeah. Especially if you go back earlier and earlier. Like you go way back. Yeah, because they were basically doing like survival of the fittest, I mean, that was life, you know? if you have a kid who comes out all gimp, you just throw that fucker off the cliff. Yeah, they're dead. You sacrifice them you do it. They can't be

held down. Right. No, the I was watching this YouTube clip yesterday on Cro Magnum, man, like the early homo sapiens who killed off a lot of the Neanderthals like the battles with the like, there were just these massive fucking Icelandic type dudes that lived back then like you ought to be Tough to survive thousands of years ago. So if you lived in the north like that But can you imagine being a Viking just living in like Iceland Greenland? Yeah Your house is made out of sticks and there's polar bears outside Greenland yeah your house is made out of sticks and there's polar bears outside God, it just sucks. There's nothing to do. I wouldn't like that one bit. I'm real glad I live right now. I would

have liked to have lived a couple like decades back I think I think I'd be more comfortable like in the 70s or 80s. I think you're perfect right here dude. You get more research information now. That's true. It would be harder to do your job back then. Oh, my job wouldn't exist. And everybody would think you're bullshitting. Well, everybody already does. This Cody Tucker's full of shit, man. He's making stuff up about the past.

That's what most people already think I'm doing anyways, which is fine. I mean, I'm a dude. Well, how do you research it? How do you find crazy facts? Well, one, just read like books constantly. So like I'll say like Napoleon. I'll be like, all right, let me find a book on Napoleon, read about Napoleon. And I'm mostly just skimming through looking to like find something that seems interesting

or then I'll just Google like interesting shit about Napoleon and then read through it. Half of it's not true. So I got to sift through that and then put it all together into like kind of a story and do it that way. But yeah, it's mostly just reading like articles online, like scholarly articles, I guess you could say, just like flipping through them until I find something.

Imagine trying to piece through the truth of the 1700s. Just imagine. Back then? Yeah, I mean right now. Like try to figure out exactly what happened. It's um, I mean there there was some good like, you know, sure, no, no, yeah, but it's going on. But how would you know? I mean, barely know. Yeah. I mean, really, you don't have to go back. Go back to the 20s. Right. Like who now is gonna be like oh yeah that did happen. Well yeah but at least we have like photographs and stuff. But my point was gonna be now take it back a couple thousand years ago. Like good luck. Well that's why so many people think some you know that have a hard time knowing for sure

whether some people even existed. Like Achilles. Like people, you know, still don't believe that he necessarily existed. I mean, they didn't believe that entire war happened until like relatively recently. Well, they didn't find Troy until like what year? Like Troy was supposed to be just a mythical place. Exactly. I don't know a date.

I'm thinking the 50s if I had to guess. I think it was like kind of close. But yeah, they just knew. Less than 100 years ago. Yeah, I think so. I mean, because they knew. Which is nuts. Yeah, they just knew Homer.

They just knew the Iliad, the Odyssey, and all those things and thought it was all a big deal. Because then if you know that that war is true, like once you've discovered that that did happen, then it's like, so was Achilles real? So it's like Agamemnon real? Like it's like hard to know is Odysseus real? And then right, but obviously there's things in there that aren't real, you know, Odysseus. That's what's weird, right? It's like there's some for sure fiction, I think, but maybe not. Maybe the world was way

weirder back then. Because maybe all those weird things got killed off. Right. That's the thing. It's like maybe there were like, almost godlike creatures that existed that we are, you know, we want to call Zeus or Hercules or maybe this is just like years and years and years of retelling stuff. Because like Homer's take on Atlantis is one of the most fascinating. I've been obsessed with Atlantis ever since, particularly I had Jimmy Corsetti on the podcast. And have you ever seen his videos on the, Rishart, did I say it, Jimmy? Rishart?

Rishart? Rishart structure. There's this area in sub-Saharan Africa that has all of the attributes of Atlantis, including its position, where the mountains are to the north, where the river is to the south, the concentric rings.

It literally is the same size as described, the concentric rings. It looks like a complete anomaly. It does not look like something that's naturally occurring. And the entire area looks like it's, when you look at it from like an aerial satellite photo, it looks like it's, when you look at it from an aerial satellite photo, it looks like it's blown out by water. Like immense amounts of water rushed through the land.

The whole area looked, massive water erosion. Like when you look at it from above, it looks like it just got hit with the most fucking insane flood of all time. There's literally salt, there's white all around the area where this Richard structure is, which was probably from the fucking ocean. Right, for sure. Yeah. This to this day and also evidence of human habitation. They found pottery, they found a bunch of things, but it's a kind of sketchy area of the

world and I don't think there's been a lot of like real excavation done there. But look at it from the top it I recommend everybody go to Bright insights YouTube page and just watch some of the videos he has on it And he's not saying it's for sure this but he and it's not just him. It's many other people This is the area show it on the image of it from space Because there's it's crazy, dude. It literally looks like how Atlantis was described, with concentric circles. But crazier still is its position

to the mountains, which are in the north, and the south, where the river runs through, is literally exactly as described. And if you look at the image from above, look how it all looks blown out, man. Oh, it all looks completely washed out. That is crazy. Watch how you go further out. Look at that. Tell me. Oh, the whole thing. The whole thing. It looks like the whole thing is just scarred from water. Just a massive amount of water. That's crazy. So from a, yeah, that is from the position where it is the description of it

The the actual dimensions of it Yeah, everything about it man, even the descriptions of it and like the colors of the rocks. Yeah, they're in that area It matches so many details. Oh, it's a more attenuated. Okay. Yeah, is that nuts? That is amazing Look at I mean that again shout out to Jimmy corsetti because once because because Randall Carlson dismissed this I was like, how are you dismissing this? I don't understand. I mean dismissing it based on he doesn't think that this is Atlantis He thinks Atlantis is somewhere else. Maybe he's right. I mean, I don't know. Maybe there was more than one I mean when yeah a bunch of people die at a time where you don't have phones and I mean, when a bunch of people die at a time where you don't have phones and you know, you don't have computers, like it's real possible that the myth of Atlantis you're talking about

like a civilization that existed at a certain point in time. And it might not have just been this one incredible city, but it's probably multiple cities that existed that just don't exist anymore, just completely flattened. And then some people remembered this one. You know, that's also part of the equation that you have to look at when you see that kind of insane water erosion, like how much did people just have no recollection of? Right, right, right. But it's all lines up numbers wise. This is what's nuts. Homer was talking about it being 9000 years old. That's two thousand years ago

That's at the time of the younger drys impact theory. It's the same time period, right? So it's like lines up perfectly for it. Yeah lines up perfectly. The description is perfect. The position is perfect again I'm a moron, but don't listen to me go Because I became fat I probably watched 30 videos on it. It's wild. That's so cool. It looks like Atlantis. It looks like the way they described it.

God. There's so many people that are resisting. There's a really interesting thing in archaeology where there's not disrespectful to archaeology. It's an amazing thing. I'm glad you guys are out there. But there's a lot of people that do not want anyone to find something out before they have and they do not want anyone To uncover something before they have especially if these people are not credentialed academics. They're not PhDs

They're not doctors or out. I'm dr. Smith and I'm out here finding this You know, they they don't want like regular people looking at Google images and going, hey, what the fuck is this? And let's go into it and then like let's look at the history of the description of the place. Actually, it lines up exactly. They don't want to miss that. So they'll try to dismiss it with every fiber of their being rather than give ground and

give credibility to these amateurs. Yeah, that's what happens in like the, with like this true crime community people, you know, cause they'll sometimes like bust a case wide open, cops and detectives. I hate it because it's like, you're just a guy sitting on your couch at home and you did more than what I did. But you know, obviously like a detective

has all these different cases, like they're not gonna, they're gonna make a few mistakes. And some probably do just not give a shit. Fucking ego. Yeah, yeah, but that's part of it is that they will just dismiss the leads because somebody will like call in and be like, Hey, like, have y'all checked this person on this date? Like ask where they were. And they're like, we did it. Don't worry about it. And of course they never did.

So it is, so that is kind of similar situation. Like, like we want, we want to be the ones to find it Yeah, so we don't care exactly gone out and done your own thing exactly and have a theory that may be true I mean maybe bullshit, but it may be true. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's interesting It is very interesting the whole thing is very interesting because clearly We don't have all the pieces of the puzzle laid out and there are people that want to pretend that we do and that's Just not the case. Yeah, there's just there's too much weird stuff and there's too much time that passed and the weird stuff is like Go back Lee tap in these 11,000 year old structures and a bunch of stuff that they're finding in Malta the Malta stuffs nuts

But it's also it's just there's no way you can know like if you're an expert in like Combustion engines and you want to break down, you know the the new Coyote 5.0 that Ford makes and you're an expert in engines. I'm gonna listen to you. I don't know how it works How does it work? Why is it so good? How's the supercharger work? And then it does what okay? How do you control all that and with the ECU and the traction control? Okay, because you're an expert in that But you can't be an expert in the entire History of the human race because we don't have all the information so you're bullshitting you at least have to be kind of bullshitting Yeah, but we just found out super recently that there was human beings

Definitely in North America 22,000 years ago. Yeah, super recently. Yeah, I thought it was even Fast like earlier than that could be The footprints those New Mexico footprints the New Mexico footprints, I believe are 22,000 years ago So what did they think before that 13 they would that was Clovis first That was the people that thought the Clovis people but again, you don't fucking know Well, it wasn't I mean that long ago when people found out about like the Vikings coming over to New England. I mean, yeah, that was a somewhat recent discovery. I mean, obviously not like in the past couple of years, but it was not very well known that like Leif Erikson, I guess it was Eric the Red. Yeah,

so Leif Erikson like coming over, you know, 500 years before Columbus. Aaron Ross I know. Isn't that nuts? Trevor Bur. I know. And they were here. I mean, they just didn't settle. So it's not significant. But you know, they were here. And the who knows? So who's to say that there weren't people way before them? And then there's all these different routes you can take. And there's ideas of like the Phoenicians coming or maybe the Egyptians like coming into South America, you know, even longer than that that like thousands of years ago. There are those theories which – yeah, who knows? I don't know.

Aaron Ross Powell Well, there's also all the stuff in the Amazon, right? The Lost City of Z, like that stuff. That's crazy. Trevor Burrus Have you ever seen that movie? Aaron Ross Powell Yes. I read the book too. What's interesting about the story about the Lost City of Z is that it all changed in a hundred years. So it's true. In the 1500s that first guy goes and he gives everybody

cooties and he doesn't know. And then he come they come back a hundred years later to see if he was telling the truth and everybody's dead. Right. Everybody's dead and all the cities are gone in 100 years. Yeah. And they're like, I was bullshitting. We got there's no fucking cities made out of gold. Guys, an asshole because the jungle ate it. Yeah. Which a hundred years is such a long time in the jungle. Like that kind of like, yeah, wouldn't structure. Yeah. That's not a, yeah. It's not the middle of the desert where, you know, those structures will last for thousands of years. I mean, what was was that like because I forget the gentleman's name who was the first explorer Percy Fawcett

Thank you, Percy Fawcett the first guy. No, no, that's the guy disappeared. Yes person He's the guy that got eight in the movie. Yeah Like the Rockefeller kid, yeah, this is he's the one that formulated the idea about a lost city named Z Like the Rockefeller kid. Yeah, he's the one that formulated the idea about a lost city named Z. Right, but who was the first explorer to the Amazon that reported these incredible cities? Because that was in the 1500s.

I think Percy Fawcett. Was it somebody like that? They found a document. No, it was a European guy who was a explorer who went specifically to try to travel the length of the Amazon River. It's believed to have been written by a Portuguese named Raul da Silva Gumeres. Yeah. 1753. 1753? That he had discovered the ruins of an ancient

city that contained arches. No, there was a guy from the 1500s. This is what I'm reading it from Wikipedia. No, I understand, but there was, I was watching this, this video where they were talking about this guy who was initially from the 1500s, who was the first to describe what he saw there, and that he saw thriving populations, like incredibly sophisticated agricultural setups, like these people, they lived in harmony with the rainforest in some strange way. Yeah. Like, instead of, like, because what the video was about was about they were trying to reconcile

how you could get enormous populations of people that lived in this area without the kind of agriculture that we assume you need to have in order to support these kind of populations. And so they did something different and integrated somehow with the rainforest. And it was also about that stuff that Hancock has talked about. Terra Prada, the type of soil that they had created. It's a man-made like composted soil. And they talked about this too. But in this documentary, they were going over

the guy who came in the 1500s and the guy who visited. It might've been the Y-Files. I'm seeing a known Italian navigator, Christopher Columbus, enters the area in 1498 known as present-day Venezuela Two years later pin zone sales into the Amazon It's the same year Brazil is being accidentally found by Portuguese Explorer Cabral Mm-hmm on route to the Orient 40 years later a guy named or or Yana or Eliana God, I wish I could remember the name of the guy Yeah or Yana, or El Yana. God, I wish I could remember the name of the guy.

But the point is, the first people to go there that were Europeans that went back to Europe described these insanely sophisticated cultures that had millions of people living in it. They had huge populations. And they talked about the elaborate headgear they wore, like the way they dressed, and there was gold everywhere. And so everybody was like, oh, we're gonna go back and get rich and they went back and

everyone was dead. That's so crazy. Could you imagine like you'd feel like such a jackass you know having everybody come back there and you're... Well it's essentially what we did with North America too, not we I mean well my parents my grandparents came here in the 20s. But essentially, when Europeans came here, that's what killed, just disease killed 90% of Native Americans. Yeah. Which is.

I mean, it was the same in like the Indies, whenever Columbus came and came. Everywhere. Just massive amounts of people. Just like China did to us. Just kidding. Just kidding. Not really.

They didn't. But it killed a lot of things. But it's just bizarre that we've missed that chapter and it wasn't until LIDAR that they started to realize like, oh, there's like sophisticated grid work down here that seems to indicate that there's aqueducts. It seems like there's places where there was channels and paths. Yeah. Well, we have, I mean, there's obviously a Euro-centric idea a lot of the times where we think we're the only ones who could have ever come up with these advanced technologies

and had these advanced civilizations. And you look, and it was like in Africa there was all sorts of like massive civilizations and which is about the Aztecs. Yeah yeah and then of course like yeah South America is a huge I mean like the Olmecs, Aztecs, Mayans, I mean it's especially the Aztecs though because yeah the Aztecs is a giant. Their stuff is nuts man. Their stuff was nuts like you can imagine what experiencing that must have been like? The first people that were like Europeans that like stumbled upon these immense Aztec cities. Like, what is happening here? That was Cortez. Cortez was the first, I think, I think for the Aztecs.

I think so, right? Yeah. On horse, when they thought he was a god. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the other nutty thing that we brought horses over here. Like, what? Yeah. Like, they used to be over here And then they all died off, and then we brought them back Yeah

God no, that's crazy. So great. You know Thomas Jefferson brought mac and cheese here. He's the guy Mm-hmm made a pop. I mean like it was like nobody ate that shit. He went to Paris You know obviously like for pre-american revolution to get some buddies going and yeah I brought back mac and cheese also like one of theAmerican Revolution to get some buddies going and yeah, brought back mac and cheese. Also like one of the first Americans to cultivate tomatoes. People thought they were poisonous, which to an extent they are. I mean it's a…

Aaron Ross Powell Yeah. I was reading about that, like that you should really avoid nightshades. Like tomatoes and eggplants. Trevor Burrus Yeah. That's what I was trying to remember. Yeah. Aaron Ross Powell But wait a minute. Trevor Burrus Yeah.

Aaron Ross Powell But they taste so good. How dare you? Trevor Burrus I mean every Italian in this in the world just yeah Yeah, I want to get like one of those blood work thing done to see like what foods You're you're supposed to not be eating forever. You know, it's probably horseshit. But you know, yeah blood type, you know that Oh, yeah, I did one of those a long time ago and they told me to avoid avocados and I'm like fuck you What the fuck avocados are like isn't that like good for everyone like that's what I thought it was one of them wacky things where I was very skeptical going in I'm like all right I'll try it let's see what I what I

should and should be eating well it seems like avocados like what are you talking about that's insane I'm not stomping guacamole bitch yeah yeah you know I couldn't be no no it's There's no way it's that bad for you. It can't be. Avocados are very good for you. Or from what I thought, nobody should be taking that advice from you. What kind of weird genetic fucking defect would you have to have where avocados are killing you? That seems crazy.

I mean, you know, peanuts. I mean, you know, Texas Rodals damn near had a damn good one bankrupt over all that stuff. Really? Kind of. I mean, but they don't do the whole... They should have sued the vaccine companies. Should have. But you can't. Yeah, exactly. I'm kind of I mean, but they don't do the vaccine companies should have

But they don't do the whole you know, you used to go and then you crush up your peanuts And you just dump that shit on the floor. I know They used to have them at five guys used to go to five peanuts Yeah, not anymore. Everybody's dying. I know you can't even eat them in the room because if someone is near you that has a severe peanut allergy That's why they don't have mom planes anymore. Remember these tab on planes. Oh really? Yeah. Yeah Yeah You can't even eat peanut like if you and I were sitting next to each other on a plane and I have a severe peanut Allergy and you start eating them. I could die just sitting next to breathing your peanut air God what a great way to kill someone if you really wanted to and get away with it. I don't know. Just peanut dust some. Yeah.

See the PB&J. Pocket peanuts. Yeah you just have some smashed up peanuts you toss on them. God what a... Like fucking anthrax. Great way to kill someone. It's not like for everybody else it's just yummy part of Snickers and for you it's basically anthrax. It is because I'm allergic to seafood like shellfish, any shellfish. Really? Yeah. You know you're also allergic to roaches then? You can't eat roaches and you know how we found that out? Yeah. Fear factor. Oh really? That's what was from that. That's how I found that out. Well because there is a thing where scientists who research cockroaches develop usually tend to develop an allergy to coffee and To roaches and I think also to shellfish. Wow. Yeah, like cuz they're well

They're just studying roaches constantly which what a fucking job But um, yeah, they end up be developing a coffee allergy, but but yeah, that's interesting Why coffee cuz they're just drinking coffee all the time? I don't know. I think, I mean, probably because roaches are... Yeah. Wow. Coffee beans. Some people can develop an allergy to coffee if they're also allergic to cockroaches.

So becoming allergic to cockroaches, kind of working with them is what makes them allergic to... So it's a trupomyosin. Trupomyosin. Yep. A common allergen. Cross-reactivity means individuals allergic to cockroaches may also experience allergic reactions when consuming coffee, particularly pre-ground coffee.

See, in my mind I thought it was because there was a bunch of cockroaches in pre-ground coffee. Ew. There's bugs in like all the countries. There are ground up cockroaches in your morning coffee. Jesus Christ, you're right. Oh no. Bug parts of ground coffee. So it's ground coffee. Just get some black rifle beans kids Stay away from ground coffee press ground coffee is for savages. Like what are you doing? Folgers grind that shit up. No, you got a good good you drink Folgers. I don't drink coffee But if I did I drink why would you drink Maxwell else? I don't know know. I mean I'm I grew up poor and yeah

But it's coffee's not expensive. It's only expensive at Starbucks What's true like regular car but like buy a bag of beans get a grinder Pour hot water get it in one of these bitches French press my god push that down after a minute I can't wait a minute. I want to hear it here. Listen this okay That does actually sound delicious yeah that's real coffee you don't want that fucking ground-up bullshit unless you do unless you know what's legit though those little packets that Starbucks has where it's it's like instant coffee they figured that out they they did a really good job of like developing that formula. This is called was it all called a Vero or something like that

What's that Starbucks instant coffee? It's very legit Like I've mixed it up with hot water on camping trips and hunting trips and stuff. It's like this is pretty fucking good That's not bad. Yeah, it's good. It's like it tastes like real coffee. Yeah, but I think like that was complicated to me I don't think like the cheaper instant coffee has that kind of Because if you like coffee like I like the flavor I like what it tastes like yes I do too just gives me panic attacks. Do you try that? Well, and then there's the decaf Which is like gives me a fucking headache and I don't know how they did it right? Yeah, how are you doing that? Yes, like what? Like it's not like you can go in and pick out the cafe, you know, it's not like what do you do? me a fucking headache and I don't know how they did it. Right. Yeah. How are you doing that?

Yes. Like what? Like it's not like you can go in and pick out the caffeine, you know? It's not like an ingredient in there. Like you're putting it through some sort of chemical process. Yeah. Like is that safe? I don't think so.

Yeah. And how many studies have been done on your decaffeination process? No, I just drink tea. I'm a big tea guy. Also like what tea tastes better if I was just gonna drink like if I had a job, but also tea tea bags I have microplastics. You've been reading all that. Oh, well, I have so much plastic inside of me I mean, I know I mean the amount of Lunchables I've eaten I know the amount of times you put saran wrap over a microwave meal. Oh my god so many times

I just heat things up in like plastic that's all broken to shit always always Yeah, and then it melts cuz you left it in there too long. Oh shit. Oh, well, it's okay Oh, I've eaten silly it tasted like burnt plastic I don't think this macaroni and cheese is supposed to taste like this but there was some sort of article that was saying that many human beings have as much as a plastic, like coffee spoon worth of plastic in their head. Like in their head?

Yeah. In their head. How does it get up there? Blood brain barrier. Microplastics. That microplastics get in your bloodstream. It could be like the sky is falling. You're all going to your bloodstream. It could be like the sky is You're all gonna die from It could be it's hard to know cuz it's not like how many brains have you looked at?

Well, yeah, and then also like it's not like there is an actual spoon shoved in your head I mean, it's all spread out. It's all spread out But also like do you have room for a spoonful of plastic in your head? Cuz I don't have any room. I think you do in your brain. Your brains mostly water I mean not just you I'm not not insulting you do in your brain. Your brain is mostly water. I mean, not just you. I'm not insulting you, but you know. What your brain filter looks like if there's plastic everywhere? Concentrations we saw on the brain tissue of normal individuals had an average age of around 45, 50 years old were 4,800 micrograms per gram or 0.48% by weight.

It's the equivalent to an entire standard plastic spoon in your fucking head. Compared to autopsy brain samples from 2016, that's about 50% higher, he said. That would mean that our brains today are 99.5% brain and the rest is plastic. That's not bad. That's a good percentage. 0.5% is not bad. However, the current methods of measuring plastics may have over or underestimated their levels in the body. Campin said, we're working hard to get a very precise estimate, which I think we will have within the next year. So it may be zero and it may be 10%. Yeah, sorry, Eli. There's no plastic at all in there. It's all in your balls. Yeah, plastic in your balls.

They found that. There's plastic in your balls. It plumps them up a little bit like fake lips, you know. Yeah, I need that desperately. So you know, like, would chicks get fillers to hide the wrinkles? Plumps your balls up a little with microwave dinner plastic. Yeah, I'm fine with that. It's like one we were going over this. What was it, every month it was a credit card or a week? I've seen this. Yeah. It's a month, I think. I think it's a month. A credit card amount of plastic is consumed.

I don't remember if it's a week or a month, but it's something crazy. I think I saw something like that too. We're like, where's it all going? Because I've been eating for a long time. Where are these credit cards? Yeah, you must. What percentage I am?

Do you not just shit out the plastic credit card? I would hope so. Yeah. I would hope so. I remember how this was studied though. I had to dig into it and they had studied like an animal or something and found it in the animals and they were like that's... But animals are dumb as shit right? They eat bottle caps. My dog eats everything. Every week is what it says. Oh Jesus. My dog eats everything on the ground. I don't trust animal studies. The only way you

really know is if you try it on people. Right That's why we got to put them prisoners back in Alcatraz. Yeah Trump is opening up out again. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yes, that's amazing. I Mean a grand opening The world's crazy. I like fun and Trump saying he's gonna reopen up Alcatraz is fun to me because I know that it's gonna be like wow Trump says you reopen enlarge and rebuild Alcatraz it's gonna be the best Alcatraz Alcatraz we use a federal penitentiary since 1963 at a capacity of roughly 300 people I went there as a kid oh really

yeah they when I was in, what grade was I? I was in San Francisco from age 7 to 11. So I think I was 8 years old. I went over there, had a little school trip. We went on a ferry, you go to Alcatraz and you think about how the fuck someone could swim. There's a dude, Nick Diaz, UFC fighter, he's done it five times. Swim from Alcatraz? Yeah, five times. Five Nick Diaz UFC fighter. He's done it five times swim from Alcatraz. Yeah five times In shark infested water by the way, you couldn't fucking pay me to do that. Fuck all that I mean I can swim like a motherfucker But do you know the kind of balls you have to have to know that you know, you don't like vest

You're just swimming you have to go to swim all the way to shore You're just swimming. You have to be able to swim all the way to shore with sharks underneath you everywhere. And you know if they bite you, you're dead. And you know they bite people. Trevor Burrus I'd rather just be in prison, really. I mean… Trevor Burrus Yeah, but he's doing it for funsies. He's doing it in…

Nick Diaz does it in between MMA fights he was doing this. Trevor Burrus Well, the Diaz brothers, that's a set of balls unlike no other. Those guys are legends, you know, for every sense of the word. So that doesn't surprise me at all, actually, that they're swimming from Alcatraz. Makes sense.

Well, people miss Nick's prime, because Nick's prime, a lot of it happened in Strike Force. People missed that. That's when he was just so dominant. So he came into the UFC kind of later into his career. Well, he started the UFC very early. So he knocks out Robbie Lawler early in his career, has some great fights early in his career. So he was in the UFC early on, but then left the UFC and went over to strike force where I think he like reaches prime. Okay, like when he beat Frank Shamrock and cyborg, he was in his fucking prime over there, a world championship caliber prime. But that guy would swim across Alcatraz from Alcatraz in between his like, he's training

for fights. Yeah. And in between training for fights, he's running triathlons and hitting the bong while he's doing it. Like it's hilarious. He's high as fuck running triathlons and hitting the bong while he's doing it. Like, it's hilarious. He's high as fuck running triathlons. You ever just see someone and you're like, you're so different than me. So different. Like, our lives couldn't be more different. My friend Cam Haynes right now is running a 250-mile race

with a broken foot. What? Bro, my foot was broken. I would get it fixed, and I definitely wouldn't run. I might not ever run again. He's doing half of the Daytona 500. Yeah. On a broken foot. On a broken foot.

In the mountains. Going through the mountains. No thank you. Yeah, no thank you. Pass please. I mean I wouldn't even go do that fat boy 5k. You think I'm going to be doing that? Courtney Dowalter is currently in second place.

She's already around 48 miles today. That's so nuts. When did it start? Courtney Doe Walters, we've had her on the podcast before. She's an animal, a pure animal. So it started this morning? Is that what you said? Yeah.

48 miles. She's behind by three miles right now. Who's ahead of her? A guy named Harold Subair toss does he win these things? There's like only a few people that like she's one of them Courtney's one of them There's only a few people that win these things a lot of people start off real fast, but you can't keep it up for three days Could you imagine running 48 miles in a day and you're in second place?

Yeah, it's like five hours. Well yeah, yeah, yeah. But you imagine you rode 48 miles and you're like, well you lost. Yeah, bro, you're way behind. You're three miles behind. Like, what? I'd put a shotgun in my mouth so quick before I did any of that. But we need people like you, and we need people like them. That's the beautiful thing about the human race race is that we're all so fucking different.

Yeah. You know, there's so many versions of humans out there and we should, really we should celebrate that. I love it. That's a good thing. I love how different, like whenever I go back and look at like people from history or whatever, that's like one of the things I like the most about it

is like how I'm like, God, that person's night and day different from me. But that's so cool that they did what they did or you know, whatever like a Teddy Roosevelt. Like there's nothing about me that is like Teddy Roosevelt. Trevor Burrus How about that dude that ate that guy's heart that had been pickled for like… Trevor Burrus Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, William Buckland. Yeah, he ate King Louis XIV's heart which had been in formaldehyde. Trevor Burrus Tell that fucking story.

Trevor Burrus Yeah, well, fucking story. Trevor Burrus Yeah. Well, yeah, King Louis XIV just in general, an absolute nut job, you know, birthing fetish, like to watch women give birth, which don't we all. But yeah, so he dies. 130 years later, you know, his heart has been preserved in what I guess would be formaldehyde and it's sitting in this guy's office basically and a fellow I think he was like the Archbishop of Canterbury, I don't know some Lord whatever their little fruity little names that they give each other.

But then this fellow named William Buckland comes in and who had kind of like a notorious big stomach, ate a lot of weird shit and he saw the heart and was like, holy hell, that's the heart of King Lou the 14th I've never eaten the heart of a king before so how about I just give it a try and then they come in to come back in And he's eating the damn heart Well preserved I mean as best preserved as it gets been preserved for hundred But he's not even cooking it. That's my point. No, no, no, no. He didn't have like a hot plate in there. Just pulling it out more.

Yeah, it wasn't in the microwave. Imagine being in the room with that guy when he takes those bites. You'd be like, You'd be retching. The smell of formaldehyde. Have you ever dissected like an animal or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In high school. That smell is like a smell that I can smell it right now

thinking about it, you know? Like it's one of those things that never leaves you It's like a dead body smell biting into a raw heart with that smell My pretender he tried to eat everything He doffs his cap Victorian feud hero a gentleman whose ambition was to eat an example of every animal in existence Again this court Who are running 250 miles right now and this dude is like I want to eat one of everything I want to eat a fucking rat. I mean what this guy ate rats

He probably had rabies mmm. He kept a pet jackal in his house. It's got a jackal in his house That's he built the country's first mosque Had a jackal in his house He lived in a hut made from driftwood dressed as a mermaid and excommunicated his cat. There's somebody else though. I really should have done that. Robert Hawker. Oh to the west famed Cornish poet Robert Stephen Hawker lived in a... so this is not him? Just a bunch of weird guys that were living in that time. Oh this is a different cat. Oh yeah not any a different cat. Oh, yeah, not any of these were. Oh, I thought it was the same guy. Okay, this is just a bunch of weirdos all throughout history.

So Charles, Major General Charles George Gordon. So it's the third paragraph starts with William Buckland, I think. These are all eccentric guys from... Oh, different people who did where so? Yeah, so then right here, Buckland was born, I think that's all going to be about him. This is also pretty good though, don't leave this out. Right. So this guy, Major General Charles George Gordon, a British Army officer whose day job saw him fight a series

of bloody campaigns across the Middle East and Africa, yet was almost as notorious for believing the earth was encased in a hollow sphere, and that the Garden of Seychelles. Seychelles. People believe that now. I don't think you might be wrong. This guy who ate the heart. Oh my God. William Buckland, so the man who ate everything, born in 1784, a year in which famine in Japan claimed 300,000 lives and a massive locust swarm hit South Africa. Coincidence, of course,

but it fits in the theme of this blog nicely, so I'm leaving it in. So this guy ate everything he could. He had his hand in a huge hyena skull, suddenly dashed on the steps, rushed skull in hand, the first undergraduate on the front bench and shouted, What rules the world? The youth terrified answered not a word. He rushed then onto me pointing the hyena full in my face. What rules the world? Having an idea, I said. The stomach, sir, he cried, rules the world. The great ones eat the less, the less, the lesser still." So he just thought he was going to be great by eating everything.

Here's some of the stuff he was eating. So his lifelong personal ambition, which is to eat an example of every animal in existence, like some kind of crazed, bloodthirsty Noah. Oh my God, he ate a porpoise, a puppy, and a panther. And that's just the peas. Mice on toast were a regular feature of his no doubt popular soirees. Oh my god, he ate a porpoise and a puppy. Jesus Christ. I mean the porpoise probably wouldn't be so bad. I'd eat the puppy. It's like dog veal. Yeah, I guess. I mean I wouldn't necessarily eat. Like flagstones to this proof of myth, identifying the flavor as bat urine

How would you know that so quick well Eating the heart I bet all those years of formaldehyde is probably quite tender right yeah What if it just tasted amazing for some reason right? What do we guys? That's how you find God system. I had it a guy had yeah Lord hardcore. That's who else Esoterica imagine how mad you'd be fine on some guy ate your heart. I've been saving pissed The worst thing Buckland ever ate blue bottles, what does that blue bottles mean? What's that? It's a time I had a fish starter I think this is Might be some sort of

Blue bottles What could that be? Unless he's actually eating glass I don't think that's what it is Portuguese man of war It's a pretty cool looking thing Wow that looks like a mermaid Click on that one, yeah right there No the one to the what's the right of that? Yeah. Yeah, okay that fucking thing

Yeah, you know I kind of do want to eat that I'm sort of with him on this So is that like a jellyfish? Yeah, manawar is a jellyfish So that must be insanely toxic, but I think manawar aren't they like yeah like super that But I think man or war aren't they like yeah like super Of course, maybe they're not like literally could kill you that doesn't seem like it'd be the worst thing though Well, he didn't need everything I guess probably died along the way like you can only do that for so long for your body says fuck you I wonder how long you lived Yeah, how long did that guy live on fine? How long?

Have you ever how old was that guy when he died? I live on fine. How long have you ever had? What was that guy when he died? 1856 oh he lived for a pretty good pretty decent amount of time 84 to 72 pretty decent amount of time He has anything that's a ripe ripe age for back then too when there's no fucking doctors The doctors are all guessing yeah, and like coming to your house right after another and you break your leg. They bust out a meat saw like wash my hand. They tie that fucking leg down and saw it off at the hip and you're screaming. You tell you to bite a piece of leather. That was a doctor back then.

They thought germs didn't exist. Yeah, they were looting Lister and dirty fingers pulling babies out. Everybody's dying of sepsis. Not have you ever heard of a tarar? What's that? Tarar was a guy, a T-A-R-R-A-R-E, I think. What's this, Jamie? He kind of discovered dinosaurs.

Jeez. What? Same guy? Yeah. That ate everything? Yeah. Whoa. That's another fun one.

That dinosaurs aren't real. That's a fun one. I can buy it to an extent because there are so many fakes. Here's the reality. In the early days of dinosaur research, there were two guys competing with each other and they were faking fossils. That's true. But also dinosaurs are real. But also, that alligator gar, that's a fucking living dinosaur. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think used to exist for sure. Well, some of the like real big ones, you're like, they've never found one of those. They just find like a, some stuff, right? If I'm some stuff and then they go, well, we think it probably looked like this based on its

vertebrae looking like this. And when you go see the skeleton at a, you know, the Perot museum or wherever it's all, that's all fake. Like that's, there's maybe one piece in there that's real. Right. Like there are some of those. I can get the, I can get the skepticism behind that a little bit, but to say like, Oh, the whole thing's like that. There is no such thing as a dinosaur. That's bullshit. It seems silly that people would just lie openly about that, but there are some that are intact. Like they found some raptors intact. They found some stuff that's bullshit. Ben Knolley It seems silly that people would just lie openly about that. But there are some that are intact. Like they found some raptors that are intact. They found some stuff

that's intact. I have a friend and his buddy found a fucking T-Rex in Montana. Trevor Burrus Completely intact. Ben Knolley I don't know how much of it they found. They found quite a bit of it though. It's the point where they brought in a professional excavation and they pulled out this big ass fucking T-Rx that's in Montana Could you imagine but Montana used to be a part of the Great Inland Sea? There was a there was a sea and that there's like seashells up there, which is not Just probably what like the Badlands were I mean, what was it called?

There was like a particular name for like the great there was a North American like inland ocean. Yeah, there's Bananas man ocean of America. Yeah, there's bananas, man. Ocean of America. Yeah, that's a and there's T rexes around it. Like that's God. Imagine if there was like one point in the history, the Western Interior Seaway. Also, that's what it looked like a large islands inland sea that existed roughly over present day Great Plains of North America. Wow. That's if there was a time that you could just look at that look at what it used to look like. That's so nuts. So there's a yeah. And look at the Appalachians like that's what America looked

like. Florida was completely underwater. That's nuts. Most of Texas. Yeah. Yeah. That's like where we are is like above water, but fuck man That's crazy how much water there was okay. There's a good. Yeah, you know, it's all what Texas is Yeah, it's a whole Texas. Oh my god. Yeah, like Nevada's not and Tulsa's all right Okay, that is crazy to see how big that was yeah That's and there's all kinds of nutty shit that was living in that water too, man. Jesus. Yeah. I mean, because the gaur is like the least of that's like the that's like a minnow compared to some

of the shit that it's a chicken compared to like a great eagle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like a hostile eagle, the eagles that hunted people in New Zealand. Yeah, that's so crazy Eagles Jack people Man, yes, they think that's why they went extinct. I hope they bring dinosaurs back. They probably are going to yeah I mean part of me is kind of against it But then part of me is because Josh Parks my favorite movie so got a the leather Did you see the someone's leather t-rex purse? Yeah, they're gonna make t-rex pur you see the someone's again leather t-rex purse Yeah, they're gonna make t-rex purses. I'm gonna get a t-rex fanny pack

She's for sure. I mean I'm gonna rock that shit look what more badass of a thing could be T-rex Crocs company claims leather made from 66 million year old dinosaur DNA is coming I Think yeah, some people are very skeptical about this. We should probably say this is one of the things that the guys from Colossal were telling me the guys who resurrected the dire wolf. Yeah, they were telling me Ben Lamb was telling me that when it comes to like DNA of dinosaurs, they don't really have DNA of dinosaurs too old they't really have DNA of dinosaurs, too old. They don't have like full DNA profiles, or whatever you would call it.

But what they will be able to do is sort of engineer a dinosaur, which is even crazier. Like take the surviving creatures, like chickens, shit like that, that have dinosaur DNA, because chickens are full on dinosaurs. Take their DNA and engineer a t-rex out of that Or a raptor a raptor like way smarter than a crow How about that like hunting people through the woods a little five fucking creepy super lizard that can run 50 miles an hour

clever girl can run 50 miles an hour. Clever girl. Yeah, dude, I'd love it. I hope they do. They could do that. They're really like if they can take human beings and integrate them with tardigrade DNA and have them become fucking superheroes. Yeah, they can make a dinosaur. They made a wolf. They made dire wolves made three of them, which isn't crazy, too It's nuts like they exist. They're like I think they're like 11 months old now or something like that. Oh, it's that Yeah, yeah, they're they don't Ben lamb told me he doesn't go around them anymore like he bottle-fed them when they were puppies But then when they got to a certain age like I think we're done. Yeah, like after like four or five months like I think we're done

What was that Jamie? got to a certain age like, I think we're done. Yeah. Like after like four or five months, like I think we're done. What was that, Jamie? The T-Rex DNA is 66 million years old. It dies. The DNA starts to go away as soon as they die. And the oldest preserved DNA on record currently is only 2 million years old. Yeah.

So it wouldn't be a T-Rex. So it wouldn't be a T-Rex. But they might be able to make exactly what we think a T-Rex was. But we would be really off, because we don't know what their tissue looked like. So that's where it gets really strange. Like all the stuff that rots away. Have you ever seen like an artist's depiction of what, if they take a hippo skull, like

what an artist's depiction of what the animal could look like? No. It looks like a monster. Oh yeah, yeah, I would imagine. Like some crazy monster. And then you see the reality, it's like, oh, hungry, hungry hipp hippo big old sweetie right hippo looks like a sweetie with cute little ears. Yeah You know yeah, but then artists have depicted it like if we didn't know what it looked like maybe it looked like this right? You know yeah, we've seen that's crazy the meme says ale how aliens would reconstruct it so I

That's interesting. Yeah Yeah,, still, let's see. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's like the one in the middle. Well, yeah, but it's still... But you could, like if you came from another planet and you saw this, like, oh my god, this thing must have been a terrific-looking beast. Yeah. Oh, wow.

The skull. How aliens would you reconstruct an animal? And it's an elephant. Wow. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I bet that's where the Cyclops myth comes from. See an elephant skull? Dad actually makes per- I've never seen an elephant skull so I had no clue there was- which they have a big hole? I don't

even know if it's where the trunk is. I think it is, Jamie. I mean it makes sense because the trunk just goes right to the mouth Yeah, bro, it has to be where the Cyclops comes from has to have to yeah Especially if you found a female one that didn't have to listen to you, but we're all schools in spite Well, what'd you say Jamie every it's like when I I didn't even type in Cyclops and it was the first thing that was on top Maybe it's because that's a theory that's been around for a long time. Yeah, well there was I know but I've been noticing Yeah, look it says that right there right there reddit. The Cyclops is likely inspired by noticing this happen a lot You'll be saying something these the government's listening the first thing I'll type. Well, they're helping us It's all completing what you just their fans of the show Jamie

But it makes sense, yeah, I mean if you found stuff from a lot, oh wait, what do you think? Here's one that always gets me stories of Giants I Want that to be real so bad when I want all that the Smithsonian's been hiding the information Does those are the big could be down in their basement? They've got like a ten foot tall human being I mean those Giants that existed roam the earth David and Goliath's a real story it just seems like they wouldn't be gone they wouldn't be the ones that would have been killed off unless in the cataclysm like the younger drys impact theory there wasn't enough food

oh they died off you know because if you're that big you need to eat a lot so you think they were they were around like way long ago. Way died off way long ago. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think like recently, but I think like, yeah, it is. There's so many stories and so many cultures have these stories, even in the Bible of a race of giants. Like, it seems like it couldn't just be big people. Right. It seems like what they're talking about is something crazy. I guess it could be if you're? It seems like what they're talking about is something crazy I guess it could be if you're just because it because if you're just you're mythologizing Yeah, that's a word, but if you're just you know turning something that is real

This is a more like a dragon, you know people obviously just get inspired by things that are around them They start to morph into things. I mean there was no fire breathing animal flying around. Probably crocodiles and shit like that. Yeah, crocodiles. And then, and then there are, you know, like cobras that spit venom, which obviously gets in your eyes, probably going to burn like a son of a bitch. So like, there's like the fire myth. I mean, and people exaggerate. Yeah. So exactly. So like, people will take somebody who is a big son of a bitch and they go, Oh, well, let's exaggerate for sure. That the guy he fought was nine feet tall, Right, right, right. Six foot five. Exactly. He was. Yeah.

But also, when you talk about races of these giants, you could also be talking about like people from Iceland. Yeah. Who were naturally enormous Viking dudes. Yeah. Who were always win those fucking strongmen competitions. You know, those guys are just giants up there. Like 400, like the mountain from Game of Thrones like that kind of person so you think about that like that's that size human right there could have been a bunch of those around and maybe that's what they were talking about Giants or there could have been like a specific race of humans like they keep finding these additional types of humans like they found Dennis O fairly recently, and then that other one that we brought up

the other day, the big headed people, that's fairly recently. They've discovered that this is a completely different branch. But here's the thing, if they did find those, would they tell us? Like if archaeologists, like who would put the cap on that if they found like a 10-foot human under a gigantic, dead human with a huge sword underground? Like would they, would they just say we're wrong, giants existed, or would they go people can't handle this? That's a tough, because that's the answer to, that's the question for so many things. They might say people can't handle it. Because that's the answer to, that's the question for so many things. They might say people can't handle it.

It's not outside the realm of possibility. I would say, yeah, they'd probably say. Isn't that infuriating? Yeah. Can you imagine if it was you? Now imagine you're out in West Texas, wherever you are, hanging out with your friends, and somebody notices something in the ground, and start digging and you pull out a fucking thigh bone That's this big and you plop it down

You go what the fuck is that and then you got a buddy who works at the university nearby and he starts digging He's like hey, dude. This is a fucking human foot and he pulls out a human foot. That's size 38 You know like what is going on man? Bringing some experts and like holy shit, dude, this is a giant. And then they do DNA tests. They find out it's a real actual creature. Yeah. I'm telling everyone.

Yeah. They're going to kill you. They're going to kill you. The scientists will kill you. They're going to run you off the road. Yeah, I guess. Look at this. Well, the longest, or I guess would be the tallest

that people have ever found. That they've ever found found it was found in China It's supposedly about forty four hundred years old would have been about sixteen eighteen years old The weird thing here is though that it says there was three Drill holes found in the skull and they don't know why Whoa drill holes, how big was it? six four oh Well back then that was probably fucking you said they found it in China. Yeah, that's a giant and they're calling it

Well, well just look at the Chinese that are found right probably like holy shit this Elias is anywhere from Modern day, maybe they say up to six six,", but taking the word for word from the Bible, it'd have been about 9'9". Yeah, that's what I always thought. That's what I always remember as a kid. Weight size. Right, well, if you're back then, nobody had any food, and the average man was probably like 5'4".

So if you encounter some dude who's 6'6", some big jack guy, that is a giant. That's a giant. And then also, you gotta think, human beings, if they exist today, and they and there's six six they had a potential to be that big back then they just didn't get the food yeah but if you are in some very nutrient rich environment both those guys play pro basketball that's not Muggsy is a Muggsy Bogue Muggsy Bogues yeah but they're smaller people that

exist that can function and do stuff oh yeah for sure but what's smaller people that exist that can function and do stuff. Oh yeah, for sure. What's crazy is that the potential for that guy, the Yao guy, who's, how tall is he? Seven. Seven, I think. That exists in the human genome, right? That's not like we engineered them like we did dogs. Right. Like that exists. So maybe back then, if you had a ton of food and you didn't have to worry about war, like

and people just kept breeding and growing and getting Nutrient rich because the thing about people in the past was they didn't get any fucking food man Yeah, like the average size of a guy who fought in the Civil War was I think a hundred and twenty five pounds or something Great five foot four and a 120. I think is not. Yeah Girl I mean that's like yeah Right and all they needed was food, you know starving and shooting people with muskets. He's like a 14 year old girl. I mean, that's like, yeah. Right? And all they needed was food. You know, you give them protein and then they grow normal sized, which is really wild.

Yeah. Cause there's tons of people that are well over seven feet. It's not like it's, I mean, it is an anomaly compared to everything. Speaking of, there's one guy in the Civil War, seven six. He would have stood out a little bit. Whoa! Everything, yeah, everybody else was five eight.

Average five eight. He was seven foot six in the Civil War. Holy shit. Is that, oh, that's not a picture of him, I guess. But the thing about the stories in the Bible though, it's like, these are like mystical giants, the Nephilim, you know? Look at this guy. So he's, there you go.

But you do not want to box that guy. Seven six. Seven six.'s a she must be pretty tall Yeah, I mean she probably needed to do that big take care of her. Yeah, I'm saying yeah. Yeah, she can be in this God, she can't be fucking with me She'll hold me down. I have to fight that lady to the death No chance She's a big man. Yeah, big giant man. Fuck her correctly. Yes. Yeah. But the stories from the Bible and the stories from like, you know, different, like even the like

the ancient Sumerian culture, like when they had the depictions of the Anunnaki and these big giant people. Yeah. Like, what was that? Like, what is that all about? Like, is that a story about a thing that used to be real? Or is it bullshit? Because it seems like the more we uncover with ancient history, just like Troy and probably Atlantis, the more you realize like none of it was bullshit. It was just their version of trying to tell you the story. You know, and that this, all this stuff about the Nephilim, the Anunnaki and all, there's probably,

there's some sort of a story, it's just parsing out what it really was after a thousand years of people just telling it before somebody writes it down. Yeah, that's, I think it's more just, yeah, you know, you're getting word of mouth over so like such a long time and it's probably exaggerated from the jump because you're just trying to tell, trying to tell a story. Like creativity isn't a new thing. People were always creative. And always lying.

And always lying and always trying to like use their imagination. And ultimately to create some sort of allegory. So I don't think any of it was true. I think it was all just, you know, I think it makes sense how it all got created and how every culture has their own version. Adam Lichman To me, it's like an echo of the truth. It's like there's an echo there like, God, what was the original thing? What was it all about? Because like there's an echo to a lot of it, a lot of ancient stories and a lot of religious stories too. They're just like, man, I think something was going

on. And I think this is the echo of like this historical depiction of probably something real that went down. Like the Noah and the Ark story. I think that's a historical, that's a depiction of that flood that we saw that wiped out Atlantis. Without a doubt. I mean, that's part of the Epica Gilgamesh, which is a giant flood. I mean, that's the oldest story ever written that we know of. And it's not the only one that depicts a massive flood. Pretty much every religion that's that old has some story involving a flood. I think when you apply that to all the other stories other stories to you should probably assume that it wasn't fiction It might not be accurate because of all the factors that we already laid out

This because of people but is probably the echoes of a real story Well, the flood is yeah, so I do think that because that's part of allegory is like taking something That is real and then you just make like almost a fairy tale out of it. But like you still have the – because you're telling – in that sense, you're like saving history, like you're preserving history but you're not doing it in the sense that we would – as we would do it now where we would like dictate time and date and names and stuff.

You're just saying, oh, there was this great event that happened in our ancestors' time and nowhere to come back. And if they figured this out, imagine if they figured out all these things thousands and thousands of years ago. Then you have the flood, the impacts, society has to rebuild, then you're telling these stories over and over and over after all this time. That would kind of account for a lot of things. And one of them would be that God created the universe in six days. Yeah, cuz like what is the big bang? Right. What is six days? Like what are you saying? Like what does that mean? Is it just a short amount of time is that we try to say is that like 72 virgins?

You know when they say 72 virgins in heaven, they don't really mean 72. It's like a fuckload. Yes like when you say God created the universe in six days like Like when you say God created the universe in six days, like maybe that means, maybe that's the big bang. Like maybe you're literally talking about the birth of the universe. Yeah. In a very short period of time. Yeah. It could just shock.

Boom. If the universe is infinite, it's been around forever. What is like that quick burst? What is that? Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, that's a, I mean, that's how... If you were trying to recall that story. Right. You would say, yeah, on this day this happened, this day that happened, but ultimately it's

just day after day after day and then seven day you rest and otherwise, yeah, you're done. Yeah, if you were trying to explain the birth of the universe that happened, that like, people were talking about it for thousands of years, then someone wrote it down on clay tablets thousands of years, then someone wrote it down on clay tablets thousands of years later. These are just the memories of some ancient knowledge where people really had reached a level of sophistication that we could only imagine.

And they were just flatlined, right back to cave people again. Yeah, I mean, that's what, yeah, cause like Greek mythology, all those mythologies, it's like an actual birth. Like there's, it all starts with like like there's darkness and then there's light. And that's like a common theme with pretty much every religion, every mythology is there was a sea of darkness, then there was light.

Yeah, what if that's their version of the description of the Big Bang? Yeah, it's just turning on a light. That's how you describe the Big Bang to someone who has no concept of science. Like, no idea. What are you talking about? Atoms? What? Molecules? Subatomic particles?

What the fuck are you even saying? Yeah, exactly. You'd be like, yeah, imagine walking into a dark room and flicking a light switch and suddenly everything's here. There was light. Yeah. I mean, that's the common theme throughout any of those religions. Yeah.

Well, I think the appeal of a a page like yours and the kind of that kind of things like people always love to learn cool shit and interesting shit. Yeah. You know, whether it's interesting shit about the universe or UFOs or crazy people throughout history. Guy wrote outlaw Josie Wells being a piece of shit. I mean the KKK is just not good. They aren't big enough assholes. Well that's such a good movie. It sucks. Yeah it is.

I mean it's not like you can't watch the damn movie. But you got to separate the man from the art. Always. And then also there's a bunch of other influences I'm sure where they wrote the script and changed a bunch of things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

No. People love learning shit. You just got to make it interesting. Yeah. School, I hated love learning shit. You just gotta make it interesting. Yeah. School. I hated school, but I had a couple teachers that made it interesting and I loved every day going to those classes. Every other class could get fucked. I was trying to skip. I was trying to do whatever I could to get out of there. Like, yeah, it's unfortunate, right? It's like enthusiasm of the teacher is so important and the competency of the teacher. So important. It makes like I had a teacher, Mr. Simmons, it was a high school late history teacher and every day would tell like a story

kind of similar to that, like, or not every day, but every day before, like a big test, he would, that's how he started off, like clear your minds, like, don't worry about this test. Like, I'm going to tell you some, and he had like this real deep, like booming voice. It was like the most fascinating shit ever. And he would just, he would just tell this story that had nothing to do with the Ted. It doesn't matter most fascinating shit ever. And he would just he would just tell this story that had nothing to do with the Ted doesn't matter. Like he's like, this is just interesting. Like y'all would

like this. That's great. Those people are so important. I mean, he's that's yeah, that guy like probably inspired me to do all kinds like more. Yeah, it didn't it took until I was long out of school before I really started getting interested in learning things. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I didn't start really just diving into shit until after school. Like I felt like all the way through school, through college, you know, got my degree and all that. I don't think I learned a damn thing. I learned that college was a waste

of time. That's the only thing I learned. You learned how to get some student debt. Yeah, dude. Yeah, yeah. That's all I learned. I I mean I didn't learn a fucking thing about it for many of that But they'll tell you that that's the only way to go now, which is just like how do you know we're in space? Yeah, but this is crazy like that the people in the 1900s figured it out forever. It can't be improved upon Are you fucking sure? Yeah, it's it's crazy. Listen brother really fun talking to you. Thanks man. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate your channel. It's very fun.

And now you know, mind blowing stories from history and pop culture. Cody Tucker out now. Really fun talking to you brother. Let's do it again sometime. Absolutely. All right, thanks sir. Thank you.

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