The Joe Rogan Experience - #2342 - Jim Norton

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

Jim Norton is a comic, actor, broadcast personality, and host of the podcast “Jim Norton Can’t Save You.” He also co-hosts “Sword Fight with Nikki and Jim Norton," and "UFC Unfiltered."  Watch his new special, “Unconceivable,” on YouTube.https://www.youtube.com/@JimNortonComedyhttps://www.jimnorton.com This episode is brought to you by Visible. Join now at https://visible.com/rogan Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience Shrain by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day! How the fuck did I put this up? Riley, what are you gonna do with it? Yeah, I should have thrown it out, but I'm just, I feel like if somebody put effort into it and gave it to me, just keep it. Yeah, I know. Well that's how I wound up with this fucking snake on the desk. This is from This

During the entire podcast Harlan Williams had this in his pants and he was saying that he had a he got a worm And he named his worm Demetri and at the end of the podcast he pulls it out He got such a fucking kick out of the fact that it was still on the desk when I interviewed Trump. I hope you explain where it came from. I didn't say shit. President, hold that. I didn't say anything.

I think it's funny because when you said that I was like, who gave that to you? Is that a seven-year-old in Mr. Harlan Williams? All right, works out perfect. That feels correct. He is so unique. He is and I forgot he was in something about Mary Oh, yeah, which is literally one of the funniest movies ever made ever and I watched him again I'm like god damn. I wish I was in that I wish I had one line in that movie right right right that was one

Well the Farley brothers. They're the best they have some bangers Matt. You know kingpin Yeah, Bill Murray No, no, they're fine. I just I'm so used to my hate my own voice and hearing it come back It's like I'm doing radio for 20 years, and I still don't like to listen to my own fire You used to do one he used to do the I do one here thing But I saw rich boss like too many times I've seen clips of boss, and he just does that and I'm like look like that if I look like that for two decades I'm like fucking rich put it on or take it off

I like one year. He just likes one year open. I can have one year. I firmly believe that's some kind of like a childhood like Defense thing like there was something fishy that happened in childhood. I just kind of somehow stay present always be aware Yeah, somebody get attacked somebody fumbled. Yeah, somebody fumbled around that. I just interesting gotta keep my ears I know that's a thing though. A lot of people like one ear on us. It's not uncommon you feel When you have both ears covered, I just feel like I'm lost and I'm not in the room And it's it's I guess I've gotten a little bit better with it. But just now I'm like wow, I really I can't hear I always feel like I'm just fully locked in

You know I don't hear anything else. I don't hear any when the head phones. Yeah, I like the headphones on yeah to be locked in Yeah, I do, but I just feel like it feels like I'm underwater sometimes. I don't I went in for an MRI I just go for them like once a year and it is just for the fuck of it I want to yeah, I'm pal I'm getting older And I'm like you know I want to fucking make sure I'm good Like make sure there's no lumps right thing and they give you those shitty headphones and I'm so claustrophobic I'm laying there and I'm terrified and the noise Yeah, yeah being married prepares you for that You get good at blocking out. Oh my god, you feel claustrophobic. There's a loud noise. You want to kill yourself

Yeah, my wife will be in full conversation with me. I have no idea what she said. I'm not fully blocked it out Yeah, how many things am I a screw? Told you about it the other day. I'm like you did. I don't want to argue. I'm like I forgot. Yeah, I'm sorry I just tell you but it said I asked the guy he goes you want music and I'm like y'all have I'm like play rock I just rock and he was fucking like he didn't speak English that well So he started playing the rocky theme song over and over Actually bailed out and got out of the machine. I couldn't hear the song anymore. No. I just was too freaked out I'm like this guy's not hearing me. I'm squeezing that fucking. They give you it's awful. So I had to take me out

And I'm like I'll go back in he goes no We'll have to start over because once apparently an MRI like you have to be in the same Position yeah, so I just I said fuck it. They did my whole body, and they just they couldn't finish with the brain I was just like I'm done. I'm out your's fine. You don't want to look in there anywhere. I hope not. No, I don't really want to see what's going on. No, no, no. Just little wires across the wrong way. Imagine if you look into your brain and see your memories. You're like, whoa. Eventually.

I mean, Black Mary did an episode of that where you like with I love how they keep the technology simple, where you're just kind of scrolling through something and they can like see all the the memories and you'll eventually be able to do that I mean, yeah, eventually we'll have a hard drive in our head. I would do it too I like I would absolutely link up we talked about Ray Kurzweil who talks about like singularity Oh, I still think his time frame is wishful thinking he thinks by like 2045 right? Yeah He'll be in his like 90s. I think he's just trying to hope it happens They might be right that makes sense 20 years from now. Yeah, I think that's correct. I hope so

I think everything's moving in exponential pace and I think You know if you just look at what's happening with AI AI ten years ago was non-existent You never heard anything about it, and now everybody uses it on their phone all the time I use it my wife's obsessed with it Which is irritating because she like literally will just talk to it and so I'm like all right Let me try it and see but it's great if like you get an error message on your computer like what is fucking Mac Error one 101 mean and then you add it and it actually tells you in a very Comprehensive way what that error message means better than googling something. Oh, yeah, so I'm using it for that

It's great for a lot of things kids are using it though Unfortunately for like term papers and shit and they're getting busted because AI knows when it's AI So they just run the paper into AI and AI goes oh, yeah, yeah, I made oh, yeah, that's that's my work That's not that but I mean it's good for for looking things up right now I'm just using it as a better Google, but when I attach it to my brain No, uh cuz I was in it the other day and it said we detected suspicious activities So they wanted me to log in maybe because I had a VPN or something in Texas You can't jerk off without a fucking VPN. They want your license

That crazy sucks. It's a we're protecting children too fucking late Is it first of all as if kids don't know about VPNs they all do and it's also one of those things well I get you don't want you kids to watch porn. That's fine And it's a lot harder it was harder when I was a child to get you to find like magazines in the woods Yeah, but I meant the smell of those old shitty magazines find them and fucking hot It was the best but now if I had it on my phone or had the availability I mean my sex addiction would have been even worse. So I guess what I get why they want to protect kids Oh, it's got to be fucking kids up. It's not just that but the violence that they say you see so much violence

I see way more violence now than I've ever seen in my whole life. Way more murders and car accidents and animal attacks. And I see, and Tom Seger and I have this horrible text thread. We text each other the worst shit we find every day. We're trying to freak each other out. And we've been doing it for years. And so it's just, my algorithm's fucked.

Yeah, it's just fucked. Do you, there's certain sites, and I never promote the site just because it's like, ah, it's just too grues you there's there's certain sites And I never promote the site just because it's like that's just too gruesome But there's one side I go to where you can do everything they'd be headings And I would look at this stuff before bed, and I don't know why I wouldn't enjoy seeing it But I would look at it, and it just gives you some kind of a weird horrible Feeling but there's certain things. I can't watch at this point. Like I can't watch people burning anymore. That's a rough way to-

Anymore. Yeah, yeah, at one point, oh, burning's where all the rapes. I just, I can't watch them anymore. You know, it's all that. That's such a crazy thing to say. I can't watch people burning anymore. I'm just, I'm all burnt out.

It bothered me. It was, it got to a point where I could, I can't see beheadings anymore. Like there was a point where I could watch them and just almost watched detached But now I just it's too remember the journalists. It was like Daniel Pearl. Yeah. Yeah, that's right Yeah he was like the first but the cameraman panicked and

Kind of came off him a little bit and so they didn't it was kind of they showed it But that was the first one. Yeah, and then that guy they called jihad John Who was like because he was British And they eventually caught him I forget the other people he did But it was like certain contractors and stuff that they would they would put those orange jumpsuits to mimic Guantanamo And they would just brew some shit man really gruesome show some shit, and it does fuck you up 100% I don't know what it does But it fucks you up like I don't know what it does, but it fucks you up.

Like, I don't know how it messes me up, but it definitely is not healthy. Well, it makes you feel the anxiety, and just knowing that that exists, and then seeing it are two very different. This episode is brought to you by Coho. Ever wish somebody would make managing money easier? Well, somebody already did.

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Thanks. Yeah, knowing it exists and seeing it. And then I'm always like, well, I like watching, I can still watch car accidents because it's tangible. Like a car accident is a tangible thing. Like if you're not careful and you drive like an asshole, this is what happens to you. Or if someone's driving like an asshole

and you're not paying attention, you gotta be aware of everybody. Right, so I try not to text and drive anymore I remember one time I was doing a gig and I was in full sex addict mode and fucking Sam Roberts He was still an intern At that point came with me because Kenny was busy so Sam came to help me sell merchandise And I remember he was uh I think I did I let him and I drove But he was in the passenger seat I was just dirty talk texting the whole way home

because I couldn't text and drive because he was in the car. And I was like, I can't get fucking, I can't be texting some woman and kill the intern. That would just be a loss to us. It would need to happen. So it's like the texting and driving thing I've kind of backed off of.

Yeah, well that's what Apple CarPlay is for, you know? No. You don't do that? Fuck, dude. The idea of, I did that's what Apple car plays for you know no you don't do that fuck dude the idea of can I mean? I did that one time I Connected my phone to a BMW x6 My girlfriend at the time my ex-girlfriend came with me to the dealership and the guy is telling me Oh, you should connect your phone, and I do and my fucking phone my My phone book my contact list comes up, and one of the girls,

I put how I knew her, and it was like a Domination Fantasy, so that came up her name, and Domination Fantasy came up on that little window in the X6, and I'm like, I'll never connect anything to my car again. There's just too much going on. Just change the name. I mean, how much time do I have to go back and change all the names the name to like personal trainer? But that's another code word

I got busted one time talking dirty I was texting dirty and the girl the the escorts name came up on my phone I mean it was like one of those names that cannot be like a regular person So I ran my my girlfriend was fucking screaming at me in the car. She's like who the fuck is that? I'm like, it's fucking Anthony I'm like I have a code word for Anthony in case I ever lose my phone So I had to run up into the bathroom and just like my fingers were shaking and change it to Anthony and I came in 15 minutes later. I'm like see it's Anthony, but it was by then it was like

Don't connect anything even though I don't I'm not you know fucking anybody else. I still don't I don't trust it I don't I don't connect anything to my car. Well your phone is listening anyway mine is for sure mine I've come to grips with the fact that everything that I text is getting read probably 100% No questions through the ads including like stuff that's on signal, you know Tucker told me that he said that this They found his the government knew that he was gonna meet Putin because they read a signal and he's like I didn't even know that that was possible. Yeah Is that the one that they got they got caught using in the defense chat a signal? But that was because there was another guy in the signal chat that I think

Someone let in the signal chat on purpose wasn't on purpose Or do you think it was one of those things where you fuck up and you just like you know how you you'll send something And a predictive text and like name comes up And you just hit like if I'm gonna text you and I accidentally J. Oh and all of a sudden it Joe DeRosa comes right yeah, and I just send him I've done that before but this was a giant group of people that are in the Defense Department How do you include a reporter in that? That's a terrible mistake? That doesn't make any sense my ex-publicist was bad-mouthing me to somebody and she actually sent it to me by mistake Overt it was one of those things where we weren't working together anymore, And I was doing a Neil Brennan's podcast,

and like you know, blocks, where you talk about all these things that blocked, and she sent something about like, oh well, Norton's on three blocks already, no shock. It was some comment that was not complimentary. And then it was like, oh sorry, I meant that for him, and I just kind of left it there. I'm like, I got it.

I knew you didn't like me, that's why I left you. Your own publicist hates your guts. It's a fucking- Publicists can be over such a problem and you're so incompatible with people that are Wild yes, because all they want to do is they have to paint it in a way that's palatable to everybody Like I understand that it's a hard job and you have some fucking asshole. Who's that trying to get laid? It's like a guy like you or someone who says wild things, you know? It's like, that's part of the fun of being you. Yes, but it also comes back and it, here's where it's negative.

I do, on YouTube I have the podcast and I'm trying to do podcast ads. I've never, you know, I never bought ads on YouTube before but I'm like, it doesn't buy you views, it just puts it like where people will see it and if they like it, they click on it. Every one of my ads gets shot down. They accused me of election advertising

in the United States. I put up an ad and they said, this violates election advertising. And I didn't even know how to respond to that. What was the ad? It might have been, I had George Santos on, but it was just a funny podcast. That guy's hilarious.

Dude, he was fucking, he told me how bad Jerry Nadler smelled They asked him what the worst breath in Congress, and he wouldn't answer, but he told me the worst body odor was Jerry Nadler It was funny. He's funny. He's a character. He is it's just amazing that he was a congressman I know I have a real affection. You know how it is when you meet somebody It's like it there They're always more human when you meet them it's harder to not like somebody like I don't agree with Lauren Bobart, but I met her and she couldn't have been nicer I'm like I can't dislike her. She was nice to me, you know

So whenever you meet someone and I had him over and he was great He was funny self a sense of humor about himself, and he was shit-talking and caddy and yeah fuck I love this guy, but they accused me of election advertising so now so many times I've tried to put ads after and they continually say it's either shocking content or election advertising. Oh, they're just targeting you. They're just targeting me. And it's like, how are you supposed to advertise comedy

with some profanity in it if it's shocking content? How is that election? I mean, he's not even running for anything. And it wasn't a political rally podcast at all. It was just us talking about what happened. And we chatted politics, but I don't push political views on people. They've got you labeled right wing,

which is kind of funny. Isn't it? It really is. It is so funny. And people don't know what to, like the conservatives, it's so funny. People come see me from Gutfeld. So I do Gutfeld a lot, and his people will come see me.

And it's just fun when I talk about my wife to watch the joy drain out Of their faces like I was a trans well. We had no idea that's not the type of Tucker. We like buddy They get very it's a very weird place to be yeah people who like my humor Don't necessarily like my personal life and people who like my personal life don't necessarily like my humor it's a weird I guess if nobody feels like you're a hundred percent in in with them they don't know what to make of you. Well you were saying that about Oliver Anthony and that I wasn't aware of that he was getting in trouble

apparently right after Richman North of Richmond came out that people were saying he wasn't really conservative. Yeah they were giving him shit about saying like oh he's not who we thought he was. Meanwhile, he writes this great song and people love it. And they look at his art and they love his art, but because he feels a little bit differently, a lot of people turned on him and it was like, what do you give a shit?

I wasn't even aware of that at all. Yeah. I didn't know, do you know what the subject was? I don't remember if they, if he had said something after it, or if they went back and found remember if he had said something after it or if they went back and found out things he had said prior that they felt like his politics didn't line up. It's almost like when they got mad about

a fucking Dylan Mulvaney, like needing to connect to the belief system of somebody who drinks the same beverage is just such fucking psychotic. It's so stupid. Penny and I drank piss, so I don't expect a whole lot of people to line up politically and rally behind me with fucking yellow flags.

I just don't care. I don't give a fuck. I don't care who believes it or like I don't care like what the I mean I'm a fucking Sabbath fan. I don't give a shit who those guys vote for. It's so so stupid. Inconsequential to me. It's just a symptom of this bizarrely disconnected society where everybody's so separated It is and you got it's got to be driving you crazy or maybe you detachment because you see things

I mean, I know you so I'll see them say like he's just right where and I'm like, yes I really know Joe It's like it's they don't to see yourself painted in such a way Has got to be at one point frustrating and then you have to just let it go right? Yeah, you got to let it go But when I I mean the most frustrating thing was seeing it on CNN I was like okay you so this thing that I thought was the news forever right now I know you're not accurate at all because you're you're attacking me and you're Painting me in this very bizarre light because it's convenient for you there is a weird thing and maybe this is again because I'm in my 50s and I remember like thinking the news was real and

accurate because I'm you remember Walter Cronkite and all that shit and it's I it's this constant sense of disappointment like fuck like they're really not what I like I'm still an idiot who believes in like the adults and they're gonna do the right thing Yeah, and I just constantly is a confirmation that yeah, they are they're liars. They're fucking biased liars Yeah, and they're paid to lie. They're just propagandists. That's what the news the mainstream news is I mean, there's real news now sure you can get the real news from Glenn Greenwald You can get the real news from Matt tie B There's a few people out there that'll give you unbiased news.

But it's so funny, like even them, you know, when they will highlight a very particular thing that maybe Trump did or someone did on the right and everybody attacks them. It's like, do you want them to lie? Yeah. Just because you want your team to be infallible? Like what do you what do you want? And Glenn Greenwald, I had never heard of him. I don't really follow a lot of what people are saying.

I don't watch debates. But I obviously heard about him when that video came out. And I saw, and I loved how he handled that. Yeah, he handled it great. Privacy invasions are so fucking disgusting. They're disgusting when they're done to anybody. I don't care how much you hate the guy's guts. But I was like, I don't even know who this guy is,

but I like how he addressed that. Like, yeah, it's my private life and tough shit You know I look I kind of I like that he handled that I thought very very Yeah, took it head-on and well John Ronson talked about that in his book. You've been publicly shamed Yes, you know like if you're not ashamed then it doesn't work, and that's the reality of it and Glenn handled it perfectly He's not ashamed. Yeah, or do can't let them see you're ashamed. Because I wake up and just dipped in it. I fucking, the first thing I think of, good morning, shame.

But you're open about it, though. I mean, that's the thing. It's like they can't really attack you for something that you're attacking yourself for. Yes, and if you tell them, like I did something, like it's so, I watched, my special premiered, like I did something, like I, it's so, it's so, I watched, my special premiered and I went into YouTube and I watched it with people as they were watching and just commenting and talking and this horrible feeling of shame.

Even when people are being nice, I can't get away from how embarrassed I am. Like, it's almost like when people see you doing something, you like, oh Jimmy's trying look at little Jimmy And I was typing back and everything but it was it's so anti what feels good for me to do Even when people are being nice, I find it horrifying and humiliating Yeah, I don't know where that comes from But I kind of wish I didn't have it this episode is brought to you by visible now You know, I tend to go down a lot of rabbit holes. I want to know everything about everything. And if you're like that, you need wireless that can keep up.

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you know, like if I'm watching Shane and he's doing his bit on the Navy SEALs, I want to see it again. Or I want, I just want to see it, you know, I want to just, I've never seen it develop. I want to see the thing. But when you doing it you're aware of everything you're aware of all the edits You've made you're aware of all the different ways you've done it Yeah, your way of when you're trying to sell it a little too much, and you're not in the moment

You know like there's all the grossness that you see that other people aren't gonna see we like It's fun. I hate watching myself dude. It was so hard It was so hard not to just attack myself in the chat like all I wanted to do is watch it and go Nice blinking 56 year old But I didn't do it I'm like don't be a fucking I think it was Jay Okerson was doing something He did his special and he shot it at Skankfest one year And I think Lewis took him out and they were looking at the stage before and I was one of those guys like you know Jay is just like oh, he's a fucking

Fuck it. I think Lewis goes, you know, sometimes I know we're like that, but you just got to enjoy it like once And I thought of that. I'm like sometimes just enjoy things are going. Okay. Yeah, you're happy with what you did I love the special, I love the material, don't put yourself in a position where you're like, you fucking suck. It doesn't have to be that way. Just put it out there and walk away from it. Leave it alone, let people decide what they decide. And if you don't like it, you just work on the next one

and make sure that you don't make the same mistakes twice. That's it, that's all you can do. But I spend a lot of time, I don't think I've ever loved Anything as I put it out this I like more But the older you get the better you get so it's like a little easier now than it was yeah first tonight show I did was 2004 and I was out in LA and I do is my buddy Joey Silveira Who works for evil angel and would film a lot of the greatest porn Joey was a fucking you'd recognize him if you saw him

He was in old movies, so I went to his house to watch my first tonight show With another guy this other guy Brandon iron And I went to the basement while they watched up so I couldn't watch it in front of other people Oh, that's hilarious. It was just and it's not to be because I think I'm an art. It's just humiliating right fucking it's embarrassing Yeah, because you got to feel like I'm lucky. You're gonna laugh like I just I don't people to feel pressure to laugh Right because I'm around It's weird. It's weird watching yourself some guys can do it though. Yeah, they're psychos. They are fucking Psychopaths they're probably not healthy. Oh my god

You know what mentally unless you need to sit someone down next to you when you're special playing about people that want you to Watch their thing and they want to sit there with you like hey watch this and you're like I don't It's it's it puts you in a weird if I if I do an acting role I don't love acting which is great because nobody loves when I do it it works out nicely But if I do something I like I have to see it first and I have to watch it and go okay I'm not embarrassed by this I can go and watch it in a premiere like you're I mean like I See it first to know if I'm gonna feel humiliated The Irishman I didn't see first obviously Scorsese is not gonna send me a fucking cut

And I didn't know I made it until like literally the night before but that was different So I'm like I don't care how whatever it was just it was a stand-up performance So right right right a little bit easier than acting. Oh yeah. It's humiliating. Yeah, it's gross. I don't like any of it. I've been in a couple movies, I've refused to go to the red carpet.

I sneak in through the back. They were like, I want you to walk the red carpet. I'm like, nope. Is it because you don't like, because everyone would talk to you. I'm afraid no one's going to talk to me on the red carpet. Do you know how embarrassing it is when you you hear that person who walks you through in the front and like you're standing there Ready for your moment and you hear they're going to Jim Norton and then what you'll hear at the second Then she goes Jim Norton's comedian. That's like oh

Fuck they have no idea who I am So I don't like doing it man, but I just don't like the attention I don't like standing there, man. But I just don't like the attention. I don't like standing there where they take pictures, just standing there, just looking around. Look at me, Joe. Look at me. Look at me.

Over here. Over here. Some people love it. Actresses love it. They pose. They give you their good side. Yeah. Yeah.

Give you a little bit of practice in the mirror. But I almost understand that. I have more tolerance for actors who love it because even though they're as big of attention idiots as we are, they don't get the constant feedback. For them, it's their night of feedback. Whereas with us, we're like, I've been on a run for like four nights. Before I came here, actually, at the cellar, I had four like shit a row just I'm all the material I'm doing now is new so it's like I'm trying this and you know it just feels like you're Frankensteining

it's not there yet but I know I'm gonna have another night and another night and that comes and goes quickly but actors they have like one night to stand there and smile and then they just get attacked in the fucking in the comments or in the reviews so I'm a little more tolerant of them than comedians who, cause comedians who love that, it's like how much fucking attention do you need, dude? Yeah, yeah. You constantly get feedback.

Yeah, you should be shying away from feedback. Too much feedback is bad for you. Dude. I really believe that. 100%, and I stopped, I stopped reading Twitter comments. Occasionally I'll do it now, and it wasn't just to say I wasn't reading them, it was because even positive feedback I caught me you needy fuck how much how much you know how many taps on the shoulder do you need how

many like good job Jim or you suck like how much interaction from people do you need it's not normal it's not healthy I stopped reading almost everything even stuff that's not me and I stopped a couple weeks ago. I just stopped going on social media. I will occasionally, if someone sends me something funny, I'll watch it, but then I get off my phone right away. And I think my new phone number that I'm going to get, I'm not going to have any social media. I'm just going to keep my old phone number and only use that for social media.

I just don't think it's good for you. It's not. And although there's times, like my algorithm, algorithm I'm obsessed with I think we talk about just Japanese Hornets and a lot of MMA like my algorithm is healthier now Than it would be there's still a few things that will pop up That you know show what I've been looking at like if my wife is next to me. She'll see what I'm looking at I'm like, oh no, you know how it is Yeah, you go down to rabbit hole You probably shouldn't go down

but it's not as unhealthy as it would have been at one point like a lot of it is just MMA stuff and and Animals and nice shit. Yeah, I get a lot of that a lot of us people get knocked out You like the knocked out? I like watching jujitsu tips because then I'll bring them in and ask the guy to show me like how do you is it? Possible to do this and he'll kind of show me and I'll just forget it, but it's it's fun Yeah, I've got a lot of that too. But it's just, I just think it's a giant waste of time. And it's also, your brain needs time to just think.

And you need time to just be in your own head and think about your own thoughts and trying to formulate them properly. Really like, get an understanding, like why do I think this way? What is it about this that I've decided is correct? Right. And roll it around. And when you're constantly looking at other people's thoughts, I just don't think it gives you much time for that. That's exactly it. Why do I think what I think? Yeah. Hitchens did a great speech. It was in Toronto about free speech. And one of the things he was talking about is when somebody says something that you don't agree with. I think

the example he gave was Holocaust denial. He goes, you have to protect that person's speech because if nothing else, it makes you examine, okay, well, how do I know what I know? How do I know other than someone told me? You have to examine how you come to your own conclusions. I do that a lot. In the shower, I'll just stand there. We all have a weird showering method

I just kind of stand there with my hands like this bizarre I'm like and I just stand there and I think or I go through arguments or I go through conversations or debates And that's the one time I really get to to think during the day where I don't let anything else interfere But being off social media is probably a lot healthier just again. It it's other people's thoughts. I don't care what people think. I don't know why I read it. Well, I care what people think, but I don't care enough to have that intervene and invade my thoughts all day long. I mean, I'm fascinated by people, but I like to talk to them for real for real like this. This is like, you know, because I think that's also having a podcast and having what I think

is the best way to communicate with people and to be able to be so lucky to be able to do it all the time. I think I get plenty of other people's input. Right. And you get the real opinions. You sense up in the room with a person again, it's harder to dislike or to caricature somebody when you've met them and when you've actually sat with them. It's like, nah, I know this person.

I kind of felt their energy. And it's like, they're just a regular person. It's easy when you look at somebody to hate their guts. And I've bashed a few people. It was always so embarrassing, we would do Jocktober. And ONA never went into other people's studios, but I would. And I'd be on the road and it was the fucking,

I was in Boston with Kenny one time, he's like, they're having you in, but you jock-toe-ward them? And I was like, oh. Oh. So I went in, and you know, you just go, they're like, yeah, you really, and I'm like, yeah, man, it was just something we do. But you face it, and you realize,

yeah, they're nice guys, it was just, it's a dumb radio show, I had fun. And I've actually become friendly with a couple of guys who we used to attack, but you only get that through meeting somebody and actually talking to them more than one. The worst is when you meet someone and you have a conversation with them and you're cool.

You think, oh, we're good. And then they'll go and talk shit about you somewhere else and completely mischaracterize you. Have you had that? Oh yeah, yeah, I've had that. Yeah, that's embarrassing. It's sad.'ve had that. Yeah, that's embarrassing. It's sad. It feels bad.

Yeah, well it's just like, okay, well I'll never talk to you again because I know that you do this now. It's crazy. Yeah, but it's also, it's like, why are you doing that? Generally it's when I had a conversation with them and it didn't go well for them. Right. So then they just harbor that thing and then they just fucking stew it in their head and then they just mischaracterize you and try to

Twist you around because they're trying to win this argument. They already lost. Yes, you know It's like, you know when you get an argument you didn't have anything to say and then you're in the shower Like I should have said this. Yeah, I should have said that yeah They're just doing that and they're just going and doing that on another podcast. Yes Re-litigating. Yeah, what the jury has already come in on. Yes, and it's human instinct to do. I also think sometimes people do it and they don't think you're gonna see it.

Like, especially when you're, you know, you have such a high level of like recognition that if somebody, they're probably like, I'll never see this and I can just, and then you see it and they're probably like, ugh, I shouldn't have said that. But I've read things that hurt my feelings. I'm like, why would you say that like yeah

I was nice to you. I don't know. It's weird. It's like, you know humans are so strange We're so strange in our weird little quirks and the way we communicate with each other and what is truth? What's real? Who are you? You know, who are you? You're different every day. Yeah, you're different depending on how your day went You know your reaction to something is, I remember one time this guy wasn't paying attention, traffic was stopped and he rear-ended me and he didn't have a license, he was from Mexico, but I had been doing yoga like every day

and I was like, you okay? And he's like, yeah, I'm okay. I'm like, all right, man. And I go, why don't you have a license? He's like, I can't get a license. I go, well, so why are you driving? He's like I gotta work alright. I get it I wasn't mad, but it was cuz I was doing yoga like every day We were doing this hot yoga challenge Ari and Tom and Bert and I I remember that we were doing it like I was doing Yoga like every day, so I was so calm. I was like okay. Well take care of yourself

I'm gonna get out of here cuz his car was fucked my car was fucked but it was it was drivable Yeah, it was a Porsche Like it was a really nice car and he had like this fucking shitty Honda and he but you know The way he broke like when you break your your front end dives down so he kind of got under my car and lifted my car up a little bit and So he kind of got under my car and lifted my car up a little bit and caved in my back bumper a little bit But they just replaced the bar and the engine wasn't fucked and my exhaust was dented a little bit his car was fucked He couldn't drive so he got to be there when the cops came and you know He couldn't drive away right and I was like I don't know what to tell I'm gonna get out of here

Oh, you just left. Yeah, I was like he doesn't have any money like I'm gonna pay for this Yes, and I'm like this is gonna hurt me I have the money to fix it so alright. Take care man. Glad you okay being Zen like that like Because it reminds me of I was leaving the link at the Holland Tunnel with Karen Feehan We were doing a gig in Jersey That was bumper to bumper and I came you know it's it was like that merge we could think you're never gonna get out of it and a guy Stopped he goes you hit my my car and I'm like I know

I didn't hit his car but he made us it was bumper to bumper let's just talk on the other side of the tunnel like let's get out of this fuck so I was gonna be late for the gig and he goes no we're gonna pull over and wait for the police something got this piece of shit is trying to shake me down yeah so we wound up one of those awful traffic women was there you know the people that just they work for the city And they dress like cops, but they're not cops right, but if you assault one of them It's like a big deal, so we pulled over and I said is it okay if we just trade licenses and she went Yeah, just trade licenses, which I think kind of shamed him into

Like letting us move on otherwise he was gonna have me fucking held up there or pay him on so you didn't hit his car At all Karen said I didn't it was a merge and if I did it was a one mile an hour bump But there was no mark on his car at all I think the whole thing was a scam could we trade licenses and I never heard from the guy I've seen that thing where people Get in front of people's cars and slam on the brakes. It's I've seen it Oh, and I mean it's terrible and the best of what you have a dashcam Oh, you see them that they recognize the dashcam and then they just scurry back into the cars This episode is brought to you by zip recruiter summer jobs can be extremely rewarding

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these people just backed up into me. and then they got out of the car And they're like what did you do would you do and then they saw the dashcam like off fuck yeah? I've seen that what I'm referring to where they they skirt back into the car and take off yep Yep When I saw like I'm so cynical like people in Philly you got a lot of people in Philly like if a bus Hits something this like locals that will just run up and just lay next to the bus like they were in the fucking accident. Which is, I get it, you know what I mean? But they forget that there's cameras everywhere and they can just see you walking out.

But this India Air, Air India plane crash, I was, my first thought was that this guy, they said survived. I'm like, oh he's bullshit, he didn't. Right. He's faking it. No, he survived. But he did survive, yeah, cause he said that guy, his brother, was on the plane or something. 11A, see you at 11A. He survived but he did survive. Yeah, cuz he said guy his brother was on the plane or something Eleven a seed 11 a and by the way to all the people who are gonna now look for 11 a stop. Yeah It's if anything else that's the last seat you should usually it's the back where you're best off

Yeah, I wonder if the plane broke open and he just got There's a woman who was a guy. She was a teenager when it happened It's called the woman who the girl who fell from the sky And she had apparently they were like two miles up and hurt the plane blew up whatever and it came apart and she fell two miles Somehow survived the soul survivor on right didn't she hit go through the roof of a barn No, she fell into the what do they call the? Fucking the Brazil rainforest Be oh the Amazon so she fell into the Amazon was gone for ten days Well, apparently again unless I was bullshit

They said she found an old boat with gas and she had to pour that one of her wounds to kill the maggots and then she finally did get out and get rescued and Look at this 17 year-old girl miraculously survived falling 10,000 feet from a plane then surviving 11 days isn't 10,000 feet isn't that two miles? No, what's a mile? Yeah, it's about two miles two miles. Yeah Jesus Christ you imagine falling two miles from a plane survived 11 days alone the Peruvian Amazon rainforest after the plane She was on she was struck by lightning

Jesus I didn't read that part the plane was struck by lightning and disintegrated in the air, still strapped to her seat, fell from the sky and survived. Holy shit. What did she hit though? Did she hit like a mountain and slide? How do you, the impact though, I don't know how you survived that impact. Oh my God. She had a broken collarbone, a torn knee ligament.

That's it. After the crash, she spent 11 days alone in the jungle before being rescued. She found a lumberjack camp. Wow. Yeah, it's it. After the crash, she spent 11 days alone in the jungle before being rescued. She found a lumberjack camp Wow. Yeah, it's crazy Wow, she became a respected scientist specializing in memology and focusing on bats Wouldn't it be funny if she was the lady who released COVID? Because her memory is no good anymore after the plane crash

She specialized on bats and she got a job in Wuhan. She had no idea. She had no idea. She's like, be free. And bit some guy selling fish on the corner. And he went home and fucked somebody. But there was another one too. There was a flight attendant, and again, who I think was trapped.

The front of the plane fell, and I think that she was almost from 30,000 feet and if I remember correctly it hit a mountain and it was almost like she hit it on the right angle and slid Yeah, oh yes fall without a parachute in history 33,000 foot plunge after a plane explosion 72 She was the only survivor crashed into the mountains of Czechoslovakia after a suspected bomb detonated cheese Parachute didn't open and she landed on a pile of ants fire ants and the fire ants kept her alive right right their body and yeah Somehow or another the fire ants the the shock of the sting of fire ants kept her alive Why did it slow her heart down or something or stop it from? What much it's for the odds of falling into a fire ant pile?

It's usually a bad thing to land an amount of fire ants at 80 miles an hour, but not if you're Joan Murphy Oh Joan Murray 14,000 feet right into a fucking pile 50% chance of surviving a fall of 48 feet yeah Which is a four-story building mortality rate rushes all the way up to 90 when you fall 84 feet, a distance of a seven-story building. So if you're falling from a whopping 14,500 feet, just over two and a half miles, you safely bet you're almost definitely not going to get out alive.

One woman did. So she fell, a backup parachute opened at 700 feet, quickly deflated. She continued to plummet towards the ground at 80 miles an hour. She survived. There it goes. She survived thanks to the fact that she landed directly on a mound of fire ants. Doctors believe the intense shock being stung over 200 times by the ants released a surge of adrenaline that kept her heart beating.

Whoa. By the way, does that prove to you how little I know about the human body? 200 times by the ants released a surge of adrenaline that kept her heart beating. Whoa. By the way, does that prove to you how little I know about the human body? My instinct said that, oh, your heart slows down. Like I thought like, oh, maybe it would slow your heart down when they bit you and it does just the opposite. I thought like maybe it slows your beat down

like being frozen. I bet that's just a wild guess as to why it kept her alive because if she was putty, you know, there's no way it would have kept her alive. Yeah, maybe it stopped her heart from so maybe they got to a right after to you know who knows You've watched that guy who fucking lets things bite him in the woods Coyote something you know He's a psychopath, but his son is very entertaining But I think he's the bullet ant the bullet ant or the Japanese hornet was was the? The bullet ant's supposed to be the worst.

The bullet ant's supposed to be like 24 hours of intense pain. Yeah, my friend Steve got bit by one of those. On purpose or no? No, he was in the Amazon. He got bit on his foot. And was it as bad as he said? He said for hours it was just impossible. The pain was just impossible.

And then it slowly dissipated to like kind of manageable Is that what they put in the gloves? Yeah, that one that the tribe where they do that and their hands are like blackened by Devo do that Yeah, he did that Yeah, put the gloves on how long did he last? Well once you get bit it's a 24-hour experience Yeah, I'm very squeamish insects. It's funny. I've never gotten over this inside. I think I saw a kid There was a brother and sister when I was a kid. We were all the same age

I think she was a year older than me and him were and they were such a bizarre little Friendship because they used to pee their pants and I would ask them to sit on my face with their pants It was a really bizarre. Yeah, I know it was a very lovely childhood and good old Edison good old Edison New Jersey but I saw him get stung by yellow jackets we and is that that's oh that's the worst thing execution or wasp oh but Coyote Peterson said it was worse than a bullet ant oh my god watching a guy run with bees on his arms and screaming I think that scarred me for the rest of my life with insects. We used to break up bee's nests,

and I'll never forget the sight of this kid running, ah, with just three yellow jackets on his arm, and that stuck with me for, I guess, 49 years now, 50 years. It bothers me. I just can't... Weird insects have a very weird effect on people. Like, to be so skeeved out by something. It's like rats, instead of like small bunnies don't bother you but rats do.

Maybe it's in the DNA or something where it's supposed to bother you. I think so for sure. I think that's what a phideophobia and arachnophobia comes from. You know, I bet someone in your DNA, someone down the line was either killed by a spider or like really badly hurt by a spider

and it's just in your DNA to be absolutely terrified when you see a spider or like really badly hurt by a spider and it's just in your DNA to be absolutely terrified when you see a spider. What's a phideophobia? Snakes. Oh. Some people just, they have it so bad. Like they see snakes and they just fucking start panic and they have a panic attack and they just can't handle it.

Where the other people, like I'm scared of snakes for sure but I can look at them, they don't freak me out. Can you hold them? Yeah. Yeah. I can hold them but I you know, obviously I don't want to be around them They're they're fucking serpents. They're literally in the Bible. Yeah Yeah, the Bible does frown the snake and a bad rap in the fucking Bible Satan Satan comes in the form of a certain Yeah, I can hold one if I know it's not gonna I got I can I have a healthy fear Like if it's like if it's if I know it's not gonna, again, I have a healthy fear. Like if it's like, if I know it's a boa constrictor, like that guy in the Granite Village

who walks around the giant yellow one, which kind of creeps because if it was to really attack someone, I mean, I guess you'd have to kill it. There's nothing you can do. Yeah. Here's a large boa constrictor. There's not much you can do once it's around your neck. You need help.

You know, they're very strong. I mean, they crush deer and swallow them whole. They do. Yeah. I mean, you got to be a real special kind of fucking idiot to have one of those things as a pet, because you just have a monster as a pet. As long as you feed that monster. But if you leave a baby in a room with a python, you come back a half an hour later, you're

going to have a fat python and no baby. Absolutely. And a nice quiet night's sleep come back a half an hour later. You're gonna have a fat python Absolutely, and I just got quiet night sleep. They don't give a fuck They're just like that's what they're there for nature has designed them to kill everything they can I can't any letterman has a lot of snakes Like she has them as pets and her fiance has they have a back tracks a room full of fucking snakes And I don't get it. I'm like they're not warm yeah they don't have any recognition of you interesting I guess I guess but I have we have a puppy and I've never owned a dog before and it's like it's nice to have I don't like taking care of anything I fucking I don't have that instinct in me I just don't like it but this dog kind of I get why people like

having a dog I get oh I love dogs if my wife only lets me have one I have one dog, but if it was up to me at one point time I had five dogs you did Yeah, does he shit in the house no mine doesn't want me. He does if he eats things that are bad He gets diarrhea, and he gets diarrhea at least a couple times a year. Oh he does yeah. He's a dumbass He's a golden retriever. He's not that smart like he ate a turtle recently Yeah, he's a dumbass. He's a golden retriever. He's not that smart. Like he ate a turtle recently,

and he got horrible diarrhea, shit all over the place. He got little pieces of shell stuck in his stomach. He had to go to the hospital. Oh really? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a nightmare. And he also ate gravel at one point. He ate five pounds of gravel, because someone accidentally dropped some chicken food

on the gravel, and he just assumed that the gravel was food, so he ate all the gravel. It is crazy how nothing registers halfway on the gravel and he just assumed that the gravel was food so he ate all the gravel It is crazy how nothing registers halfway through the gravel pile Dumb ass and tastes like chicken. He's a dumb ass, but I fucking love dogs, man I wish I could have I can't go to a pound like I can't go I'll bring them all home. I just like I'll take them all if I had a giant piece of land I'll probably just have all every dog I could never get we went we went to North Shore animal rescue and Actually, Beth Stern helped me. I don't know her well

I met her through Whitney and I'd met her what and but she's like it's huge there and like has great connections and helped us Get a very nice little What is it a fucking Yorkie? We're so stupid. We thought it was a I thought it was a Cavapoo I don't know what the fucking kind of other Cavapoo. It's like it's like one of those things where it's like a bread dog It's it's a cavalier and a poodle. I think okay hypoallergenic. I can't have dog right Come on look a little bow that used to be a wolf That's how fucking creepy people are they turned a wolf into that thing that little adorable no shedding thing Look at that little face. Oh

He's very cute, but that's what we thought we were getting I didn't know cuz they a Yorkie looks a lot like that when it's Young it was like this big when we took it home, but yeah, it's I love it my dog photographs like shit I never put up pictures my dog He's a sweetheart, but it looks like a fucking wig and a hamper just I can't humiliate an ugly fucking dog in pictures, but in person. He's a great I just I never post pictures. It's just it's not filter on them Nothing's gonna help just kind of sit in there It looks like he's fucking like homeless like some homeless guy's dog

But I do I love having him, but the shitting in the house is very difficult I think that's my first got him. Oh, you see he looks a little like a cavapoo. That's adorable dog Then he was but as he's gotten older and his hair's gotten longer. He's got shitty looking in person no, but He photographs fucking terrible. Let me see a picture. Let me see a bad picture your dog Let me see if I have I Put up if I'm a Instagram. I think I put up a video recently and the screen grab I tried to find the cutest screen grab and I just couldn't so let me see maybe it's just you Maybe if I saw him I think he's adorable. I can guarantee you're gonna go like he might be great in person

But I wouldn't never I would never classify this as a cute dog. Hold on I'm it's not opening because of but I'll find it. Oh, there's no cell phone signal in here. Is that on purpose? No, it's just the walls are thick. Do you guys have Wi-Fi or no? Yeah, I can't find forget it. All right, it's okay I get it. Oh wait, is that it? That's that's actually not bad. That's cute But there was one I'm on that's actually a very nice little blue bow Yeah, we've fucking somebody in the house really mowed him up. That wasn't my fucking cute little dog Yeah, that's a nice picture, but typically photographs very poorly But I he won't stop shitting in the house. I can't we live in an apartment live in apartments

What are the problem we put him on the terrace? Yeah, she'll go out there with him, and she walks him. I won't walk him It's like it's your dog. I don't want to fuck. I don't you know I mean like I'm not again I don't have that instinct. I'm happy you have them, and you love him, but He just won't stop shitting in the house, I don't know what to do I'm getting to a point where like I like this is why I didn't want a fucking dog Yeah, I can't handle dog shit in my house. It's kind of gross. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty gross I heard that I'm debating do I pay for a trainer do I pay for someone to come in and just they might not be Able to might be one of them broken little fucking tiny dogs. You just can't stop shitting in your house

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Hugs? In New York it helps. Like, a small little, first of all I'm not qualified to own a big one. I don't know how like people own like mastiffs. In New York City that's crazy. You can't. And you can't get insurance for them That's what made me like if you have a Doberman or a Rottweiler or a pit You can't get insurance homeowners insurance. So if somebody gets bit you're fucked That's what scared me about those dogs German Shepherd. Yeah, especially German Shepherds Well also like those dogs need a lot of exercise. They need a lot of activity or they get anxious Yeah, they get kind of crazy because they're not supposed to be penned in like that

They're working dogs Let's be out there running around and if you don't run them if you don't exercise them every day They they get like people do when they don't exercise every day. They get kooky. Yeah, I became a little obsessed with the use of those Caucasian shepherds Oh, like I want to pet one of those things or those that's a big giant fucking thing. It comes up It goes like 200 pound. Yes fucking Harry. It's a disaster. Yeah, it's a things or those that's a big giant fucking thing it comes up like 200 pound Yeah, it's fucking Harry. It's a disaster. Yeah, it's a werewolf. It's a monster Yeah, but something like that. I would love to spend a moment with or go someplace and play with it But I just you know yeah, I mean look at that thing jeez

Sobbing all right fucking so us 220 pounds. Yeah, jeez Shitting they use those things to keep wolves away from sheep. Yeah, yeah and Russian prisons I think I've seen footage of Russian prisons like where they have them around the perimeter In there's a fence in between like freedom and the jail and they kind of keep them in there I wonder what their temperament is like. They're aggressive. That's what I've heard They're very bad with people strong powerful alert quick dominant calm. What? Yeah, they just somebody just threw adjectives up there how they throw common they're steady strong independent faithful self-assured calm that's weird the dough you ever see those dough what

do they call dogo are those they look like giant pit bulls they're gorgeous dogs but again they're hyper aggressive. They are aggressive, right? Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, great guard dogs hyper aggressive. They will fuck you up And I think those were the dogs that Ving Rhames had when someone he killed like someone working at his house Yeah, when he was being rames or before yeah thing. I'm pretty sure it was being rames I think something happened and someone, maybe they were there, they're not supposed to be there, or something happened, and someone,

I think it was someone working for him, got killed by his dog. Was he, is it him or Charles Dutton who did time in jail for murder? I think it was murder, I don't want to get sued, but I think it was Charles Dutton or him that actually, before they were actors, went to jail. I just don't remember who was Ving Rhames or Charles Dutton. I don't know, I don't get sued, but I think it was Charles Dutton or him that actually before they were actors went to jail I just don't remember who is being ram's or Charles Dutton. I don't know

I don't know we as one of those guys that had like a really interesting back So I'm gonna find out with Ving Rhames dog first then we'll Google did Charles Dutton murder somebody I think I think it might have been done. I think This is the funny thing to Google. Yeah Said that he did not die from does and the Ving Rhames case did not die from dog bites They were waiting for a toxicology Oh, maybe he had a stroke and then the dog bit him like sometimes that happens like if someone has like a seizure Dogs will bite them like dogs don't know what the fuck is right, and they freak out and they bite him

When animals attack humans or other animals victims usually end up with bites around the head and neck. He had none. This leads us to believe he went down for some other medical reason. Oh, that makes sense. So the bites were around his arms and his legs. So yeah, the dog might have bull mastiffs, English bulldog and three bull mastiffs. 200 pounds. Geez, 200 pounds. You wonder if they're trying to wake him up or trying to pull them somewhere or if they were attacking, because you're right, if they don't bite the face, what's the purpose of what would they do?

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Yeah decided I don't like This anymore and they both dead bite you. I don't know. I know Roy horn died. I think yeah I just saw they're making a Netflix series about our Apple Apple TV series about him. Eight episode series. Andrew Garfield and someone else are playing. Did you ever see the HBO thing on Liberace? Is that where, with Tom Poppa was in it? Well, it was Matt Damon and what the fuck is his name? Who played Scott Thorson?

The guy Greed is Good, you know that guy. Michael Douglas? Michael Douglas, that guy Michael Douglas Michael Douglas Yeah, Michael Douglas played Liberace. I believe right didn't he did he yeah, I didn't remember that yeah It was Michael Douglas and Matt Damon. Oh he played Scott Thorson Matt Damon. Yes, okay played the guy who got plastic surgery Yeah, look like Liberace. She's a classic what a psycho yeah Friend get plastic surgery to look like him. I want to fuck me That's the last person. I would want to look like I go to a surgeon say anything, but this Such a psychotic thing to want to fuck you. Oh my god. That's so crazy

I want you to look like me get your chin done. I look like me is that a power thing or is it a fucking? It's a very bizarre Yeah, pure narcissism or just crazy. Yeah ball the above power for sure power over that guy, right? He probably had the ultimate power in that relationship. Yeah, cuz he's Liberace He's this enormous superstar and this guy's his bitch, you know, like I want you to get a different chin You're gonna look like me. He got a crazy chin. Yeah, he did He looks very silly. It was a fun fucking film though yeah Tom Papa had a point it's a really fun Joey Diaz used to have a great bit about

it about the about the thing yeah I mean Liberace was a fucking weird case right because he had to pretend that he was straight forever Yeah, and it's so obvious today He wouldn't have to know he could just be Liberace But back then he had do you ever see the song there he is look at that Yeah, straight look at the rings you do you ever see the song when Liberace he winks at me No, so this is a song that played on television in like the 1950s when the world was innocent.

And there's a woman who was like swooning when Liberace would wink at her. And so they played this. So it's Liberace playing the piano and looking at the girl and winking. And then it made like a twinkle in his eye when it winked. Let's play it because it's so bad. Here it is, here it is. Put the headphones on. You gotta see this. What is it? 53? Is that what it said? 55.

So she's watching him on TV and she sings. Watch this. Oh, God. the brand new idol his charmingness can be i really can't describe the stranger set tears on me wow i start to shake i start to shiver and every fiber in my being seems to quiver it's a feeling very close to ecstasy

That's so weird What a weird time it was back there there's a video of him to on Instagram where it was in the 60s when he was trying to get with the He was trying to like, you know be with the movement man Be cool man, and it was like something about something groovy and it's just him on a piano with all of these like like you know 20 year olds just trying so hard to get the kids. Oh really? Oh it's so. It's in the 60s? I think it's in the in the it looks like it's like 1967 19 yeah. Is that it? Oh boy he's playing.

Groovy look at these guys, their pants. God, look at their pants! Yeah, the piano's got flowers on it. God, people really lost their fucking minds in the 60s, didn't they? Yeah, this is very drug-inspired. Imagine putting those pants on. Where's the broadroachie? He does come out, I'm not sure where, oh there he is, at least he's dressed for the occasion. Look at him! He's got the thumbs up! Look at his fucking best!

Oh, look at him! God, that's so weird. What's your shaking? I gotta try that sing your make Liberace he's turning on isn't that great? That's so weird And look the pianos moving and he had to hold two girls like yeah, I'm just here to get some push He's turning on yeah, this is like the acid days But it's so crazy that like this was actually probably not meant to be shitty and ironic But it was meant to be like a cool guy Getting with the scene. He's getting with the scene man

And he's out there with his piano and all these weird people with flowers on their pants. And the dance routine is just not the straightest. Look at him go with the vest. The vest is hilarious. Yeah, it's like plastic. Yeah, it's like this fucking raincoat that they turn into a vest.

And a long, like, orange, almost like Shakespeare sleeve type of shirt. So strange. God, people were so weird. orange like almost like Shakespeare sleeve type of shirt so strange God people were so weird but you got to think like in the 1960s television had only been around for like 20 years yeah that's what's weird this was really weird if you really stop and think about it was so new no it's kind of like the internet right like the internet it Like the internet is older today than television was then. Yeah, yeah, you're right, it's 30 years old now.

Yeah, yeah, the internet basically came around, I got on the internet for the first time in 94. I got on America Online, you've got mail. Yes. And I remember, this is crazy, I couldn't believe it. It hooked up to my phone It was a 14 for connection Yeah, 14k, oh shit, then I got 56k. I thought it was a boss like look at me You know and I remember thinking this is crazy like this never existed before so that was

30 years ago 31 years ago This was just 20 years after TV really like when did TV really start happening in the I want to say in the 50s Yeah, I don't think it was in the 1940s. I mean it was in the 50s. What was the first television? Hitler broadcasted I was out of but that must have been in the 40s though There was because in the movie contact where they show you that Hitler broadcast Which they say was like one of the first. He broadcast it on the radio or on television? No, it was the TV. I think... I know they used to do a lot of World War II stuff

in the movie theaters. You'd go to the movie theater and you'd get the news. The Allied front, and they'd show you the news. They'd show you like propaganda footage of the news. Our troops are out there fighting for your freedom. Yes, and the Japanese, they show you, they show you, brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah brah So what was the first television when did it first oh they had them they started in the 20s and then oh really they Were expensive as shit and probably very big and there wasn't anything to watch so why would you have one?

And then there was the first broadcast the first television broadcast Well, yeah up until the 50s it was really just like public information it says oh so just like the news I mean there wasn't a lot of shows being made like what was the first television show? Before Cavalmer Gleason did cavalcade Uh-huh, it was called cavalcade is like with the honeymooners debuted you would do Reginald van Gleason But I don't that's definitely not the first one. I love Lucy was probably Same time or before that right and what year was that had to be the 53 maybe 55 what might have been later I don't remember so probably the television really became

Like when did it become a thing where people would watch the news? Probably like late 40s, maybe yeah cuz 63 again the Cronkite broadcast I mean so by then it was like in full effect so you got to think that 63 with You know Liberace or the the 55 one with Liberace that's so new yeah that's crazy new and then 12 years later you know when he's fucking dancing with the flowered pants on first national color broadcast the 1954 Tournament of the Rose Parade the US Kurd January 1st 1954 so the 1936 Summer Olympics. Oh, they have the Summer Olympics they broadcast.

World Series it says was the first catalyst like big, big buying. Wow, you must have been a boss if you had a fucking television in 1936. Yeah. And then first like variety show was Milton Berle show. So he became known as Mr. Television. What year was that? 48? 47, 48. Wow. Took his radio show, 48? 47, 48. Wow. Took his radio show and made it a TV show.

So by the time that Liberace dancing with the pants on, it's only 20 years old. Yeah. Which is really wild. Was that 68? I'm going to assume it was definitely late 60s. Red Skelton television hours. And the fact that people just didn't know he's a flaming homosexual. How did you not know? And the fact that people just didn't know he's a flaming homosexual like the fact that

How did you not I guess there wasn't enough? gay people publicly so everyone didn't recognize like people knew like when you spoke a certain way that you could be but it wasn't I guess that wasn't like the the the voice that everybody recognized everybody hit it, too You know you had to hide it you imagine being a gay guy trying to find other gay guys back then like what did you do? What a risk oh, yeah, being gay in North Korea like how do those guys fucking know what signal do you give? Well, you know the other guys not working for the state right in a rest area Even if he is he might throw you under the bus anyway Like they have a whole culture on throwing people under the bus on tattling Yeah, their whole culture is based on tattling and if you don't tattle on people they assumed you did something wrong

I'd still like to kind of go there. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't I would I would yeah Just because they say there's all those fake storefronts and all of those Or stores that are just for the tourists that come through that they have all those fake stores that people they get a lot of tourism Oh, yeah, I mean they get enough like Through China these companies will go through China and every country doesn't have the negative relationship that we do with them. So I would kind of like to go but I don't I wouldn't trust it after that Otto Warminger. What was his name? Warren Warminger? Yeah, kidding. Sorry Otto. For taking a propaganda poster. Yeah. It would be very scary to go

but I really kind of want to. They have that giant building, it's a thousand foot tall hotel or building that is just kind of half empty, like it never was finished. They light it up at night so it looks like they have a big downtown. But North Korea has like a thousand foot tall building. A YouTube video of a guy that went, his name is Mike, Mike okay? He went three or four months ago after they had not been opened since COVID. Really?

Yeah. And he went just to tour around North Korea? He's a British person, so he's not from America. Yeah. And you're not supposed to film a lot of this stuff. These guys take really, really clandestine footage. You're allowed to film in certain areas. But I think your phone you had to leave at the border

when you come in. Wow. He explains what he was doing. I think he says he wasn't supposed to, but he just did. Is he eating food there? Yeah he goes to a few little towns, talks to them. I remember watching some of this. Wow. It's like a random coke or something somewhere or a Red Bull I think. That's so fucking risky. It is risky. Cause just the wrong thing you do, you insult them and the next thing you know you're in jail for the rest of your life or you're beaten to death. Yeah they said that like if there's a picture

of Kim Jong Un or Kim Jong Il you have to be respectful and you stand in jail for the rest of your life or you're beaten to death Yeah They said that like if there's a picture of Kim Jong-un or Kim Jong-il you have to be respectful and you stand in front Of the pictures to take your photo. They're really and they just rat on each other Well Shane Smith went Shane from vice yes back in the day like before things got too crazy over there And he said that they set up a fake restaurant for him. Like, they pretended that they had restaurants, and so they had a fake restaurant. And he went there, and there was, like, only him there, and people were serving him. Bizarre.

Yeah, he said it was really weird. I guess when you're seen as a god, and everybody just cosigns it, you don't know how bad of a liar you are. Like, you don't know how badly you're presenting, because everybody is just, oh, my God, like... Right. So they have no idea. Kim Jong-un has no idea that people look at him and go like that's not real right and then the people that are there

They have no internet like their their world is the North Korean internet They don't they're not connected to the rest of the world No, they would I guess people will like sneak in thumb drives and stuff like that of I know South Korean TV They catch you if they catch you you're fucking But you know you know Sad Maseni. He's he's from Afghanistan and he ran I think it was called the Moby group in Afghanistan, but they would go next to the Iranian border and and pipe in Like American TV shows and they would illegally send them over the border to try to get people Like a little bit westernized

or to at least see things a little bit differently. But it's an illegal feat. You're just shooting it over somehow and you know, hoping they don't kill you. Hoping they don't kill you. Yeah. Speaking of kill you. What's that? Said speaking of kill you in Iran.

What? Oh, what's going on there? Oh my god. Yeah. Oh my god. But no one's surprised. You know what I mean? Like, I bet the guys who got killed were surprised They were supposed to meet with Trump to have a peace negotiation

Wasn't the time up? Didn't the time at the time lapsed? No, did these relays jump the gun on the time? Well the speculation according to Grok, I sent Jamie this somebody said Did were they killed like ask rock were they killed because they were negotiating for peace you know that the Israelis wanted they didn't want a negotiation oh because they wanted to get those nuclear sites out there they they didn't trust the Iranians and they wanted to make

sure that these guys were gone. Yeah. They essentially killed everybody that he was negotiating with. So this guy's response above it, it says, what evidence might there be to support this position? And the position was, go above that? Yeah. Israel did not attack Iran because Iran was about to attack Israel. Israel attacked Iran because there was about to be peace.

And then this guy asked Grok, what evidence might there be to support this position. And then Grok says, evidence suggesting Israel's June 13, 2025 attack in Iran aimed to disrupt US-Iran peace talks includes its timing coinciding with the six round of nuclear negotiations scheduled around June 12 through 14, 2025. International reactions like the UN and the Oman condemning the strikes as undermining diplomacy support this view. However, Israel justified the attack as a preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear program, citing its noncompliance with the IAEA.

No direct evidence proves intent to stop peace, and the focus on nuclear sites suggests security concerns drove the action. The issue remains debated with perspectives varying by geopolitical stance. This, now ask Grok. Grok is kind of Twitter's AI. Right. How influenced is it by, like, a Chad GPT I've gone to, and I was kind of curious because my wife's obsessed with it, so I was like, I think this is probably still ideologically influenced.

For sure. So, other people have done this, but I put in, write five jokes about Jesus. And it did five Jesus jokes. And then I put in, write five jokes about Muhammad. And it came back with, well, we like to keep things respectful, and ba-ba. And I did the same thing with write five jokes about white people, and then write five jokes about black people. And it did the same thing. It wrote the white person joke, but the black people jokes it wouldn't write. So I was like, oh, okay, this is still somehow tied in.

There's guardrails. There's guardrails and it's ideologically slanted. It may not always be that way. So I'm wondering if GROC is the same way. Like is any answer it gives you almost like coming from either somebody at PBS or somebody from some place else. Yeah, Grok is probably the best of them for that, but the worst was Gemini.

Remember when they asked Gemini to make photographs of Nazi soldiers and they had a diverse group of Nazi soldiers, including Asian women, Native American women, black people. Keep it fair, folks. Keep it fair. Keep it fair. They just got locked up in this woke ideology thing to the point where the images they created of Nazis were woke. I don't know what happened where people become so afraid of like, I know truth can be unpleasant

sometimes but like where it goes to that level, like we will write jokes about Jesus but not about Muhammad. Right. Like who's programming that and thinks that's a good thing? Well, they're scared. They are that's what it is I'd almost respect them if they said they were scared like if they could look we all understand what goes on We don't want somebody running him with a bomb belt like, you know, there's violent retribution I would respect that but they won't say that no, they act like you're crazy for question. Why?

Yeah, that's not true Yeah, it's weird. We're in a weird stage. We're in a weird stage We have all the information, but still it's still got guardrails on it Do you feel I feel better about myself though the older I get the more like? Yeah, I years ago Said it and knew it was getting worse and worse and like I was never stupid enough to think it didn't exist So I kind of like yeah Well if nothing else is validates what I kind of thought you know

I mean like I feel like I wasn't a fucking idiot I'm not taken off guard by it. You knew it was coming. Yeah not necessarily to this level but you know when you saw this happening and then that happening and then little weird things like Donald Sterling that one always bothered me his private communications being used against him and it's like does anybody was that he was the owner of the Golden State Warriors I don't know oh this was the guy the Vista Viana always friend yeah the Clippers yeah I'm sorry the Clippers yes he was the guy had the girlfriend who was this little side piece Vista Viana

yeah and the girls the girlfriend recorded him saying a bunch of things about black people. And it was almost like, he was like, ah, blah, it wasn't like, I don't think he was a hateful old guy, but he was just like an old guy. Like, you know what I mean, don't hang out with blacks. Well, he was saying don't do it publicly, right?

Yeah, I guess. Like it embarrasses me, something like that. His friends are probably calling him. Yeah, but he was, you know, he's talking to his sign piece and she's recording him. The whole thing was gross. The invasion of, even if he's a piece of side piece, and she's recording him the whole thing was gross The invasion of even if he's a piece of shit. I don't care about him But exactly it's the idea that people are comfortable Like nobody sticks up for privacy like everyone right complains about we don't want to go through and it's like hey motherfuckers

Where were you when this guy or stupid hunter Biden's big dick is all over the internet? Where were you complaining about it? Yeah, judge on it So I wish people would stop doing that Yeah The the the hunter Biden stuff the fun stuff was like him smoking crack and hookers sure it jobs This is just fun. Did he have foot jobs? Yeah, he did a lot of stuff. There's a lot of wild stuff going on He's a wild boy, but I guess you know you're smoking crack sure you know get a tub unshaven you got no guard You're off the fucking reservation is naughty boy But then the other stuff that was in there was really interesting

Yes The emails about 10% to the big guy and all that stuff and this just brutal rampant obvious corruption That they just looked the other way because it's a Democrat and it's just really strange if Trump jr Did anything that hunter did right? They would kill him like like they would it would be at the front page. It's all they would talk about They certainly wouldn't have hit it from Twitter. They wouldn't have I was really crazy it was a New York Post story and then FBI got involved and The Twitter files like you know when Schellenberger and tie B and all those guys went over the Twitter files, like when Schellenberger and Taibbi and all those guys went over the

Twitter files, it's so damning. It's so crazy that that's not so illegal that there's like massive trials on television and people are prosecuted for it. I guess with private companies or even though the media operates like... But it's the government. The government is what I'm concerned with because it's absolutely election interference a hundred percent a hundred percent because there's a lot of people that were on the fence you know they didn't know whether they're gonna vote for Trump or whether

they're gonna vote for Biden they didn't know what they're gonna do and then they saw that and they were like fuck this and guys like Jack from from Twitter have come out and say like yeah, we shouldn't have Censored that story. Yeah, but it's like too late now. It's like you did it and people were telling you when you did it You shouldn't do it. Zuckerberg talked about it on this podcast. He talked about the FBI getting involved on the podcast Censoring covid information censoring a laptop information and this weird feeling that he got from the government all of a sudden telling them what they, and some of the stuff that they were telling them

they had to take down was actually true, factual information, and they were like, oh boy, and so they diminished its reach, and they did a lot of weird shit. And the penalty for not taking it down would have been, like, were they threatening them with, like, Section 230 is a big one that all the big companies are scared of Like if they change that because they said that but think the internet freedom comes from section 230

Where a company can't be held legally liable for what's posted on their site? Which is how like you can post anything about people and the sites themselves can't get sued because they're like yeah We're just like a phone company. It's a public square. Public square. Although it's not anymore. It's much more ideologically based and it's much more of a publisher in my opinion than a public square. But maybe they threaten you with that or maybe that's where they start to go like we'll see to it that 230. I mean I'm guessing but what else could they threaten them with? Yeah it's a good question. I mean just the fear of being on the wrong side of the government I mean, that's the thing because then they could go after you like, you know for someone like Zuckerberg Who had already sat in front of those congressional hearings and you know

They had already asked him about a bunch of different things that the company had done and you remember those weird? those weird Hearings that he had to sit through where he sip water very strange people said he's a fucking robot Probably so nervous of course yes senator no senator. Thank you for asking senator I got all those weird Moments like you got to be terrified of those people because they could change laws they could just decide to prosecute you for things I mean look what's happening to the guy Dura from telegram. I don't know that story. You know no he is essentially

He's under house arrest in France. He has not been tried with anything He has not been charged with anything But what they're saying is essentially they want to back door to telegram telegram is an encrypted app, and a lot of people use it for illegal things. Just like a lot of people use Twitter for illegal things. A lot of people use DMs for illegal things. I'm sure they use Signal for illegal things, and WhatsApp for illegal things. And they wanted, Telegram was especially popular

amongst criminals, and they wanted to be able to get in there. But then the question is, well, what do you determine as a criminal is it a political dissident like is it you know what does it mean is it is are you looking for underage people being photographed right or are you looking at just people who like they can always expand what they consider to be illegal oh yeah I mean they took back page down so they can get certain company like if you don't do what they want you to do

There is a way for them to get you by saying you're too complicit in certain activities. So you want to Silk Road? That's that's what happened with us all break. Yeah, and now he's luckily Trump freed him did he did he pardon him? Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we try to get him on But he's just not ready to talk which is totally understandable Yeah, if you ever do if you want to talk, I'd be happy to hear your story Well, cuz you're probably afraid that they're gonna come with something else Like it's almost like I don't want to put it in their face, you know now I'm out fuck those people what they did to me Was wrong. Oh new charges. That's right. Yeah, that's what whenever somebody's exonerated after 30 years of being in jail

They're like I'm not even angry. I just want cuz you're afraid you're gonna say the wrong thing and then you go All right, we're going to come back. Well, that was the really scary thing about the Trump stuff. Like when they were trying to get him for 34 felony counts, none of those were a felony. All of them were past the statute of limitations. It was just bookkeeping errors or bookkeeping. You know, they wrote down the wrong things and they tried to hide the fact that he was making hush money payments. But the reality of that legal system being used against you, lawfare being, you know, they target you.

Like the real estate one, when they tried to say that he overvalued Mar-a-Lago and it was really only worth 18 million. And so they charged him like hundreds of millions of dollars, which is fucking insane Because Mar-a-Lago is an enormous piece of property that is on The most expensive place in the country like that area. He's got I think he's got is it more than 20 acres there I mean It's a huge piece of property there and the next-door neighbor had a place that was like five acres and it sold for

50 million dollars just the property yeah, so they fucked him they fucked him and it's Obvious that they were fucking them they were they were doing it because they were trying to make him a felon when he was running For president yeah, Letitia James went after him really badly in New York and turns out she had done Oh little bank a little bank stuff going on. Yeah mortgage questions Things but he's a whether people like him or not I like I don't always agree with him at all But he's an amazing person like to have withstood that the pressure of that again just as a

to continue With with the pressure that they were putting on him and the way they were coming after him and to still run again It's the fucking craziest thing you're ever gonna see in your life And they shot him And they shot him and the guy was gonna do it again Or tried to and another guy and a fucking, oh yeah that guy with the hole in the fence where his golf course was Kooky It's kooky, but it's like and somebody pointed out to me it's

like I mean I'm surprised he doesn't expect this it's like he went after them like he he went after the CIA and the FBI yeah they're gonna make it their life's work I know to come after you now it's also crazy when it gets real trim transparent like that though you know but when someone like Zuckerberg or any of these other people that run afoul of the federal government of the intelligence agencies when they see stuff like that I understand why they comply. Yeah, they're probably fucking terrified It is a little sir very scary when that when you're on there

Like you never want them to dig in and be focused on on you. I have sauron Yeah, yeah, we're coming for you and because again, they don't pay they don't pay legal fees. They can do it all day They can do it through the next administration um because leticia j she went after uh what i didn't like about her uh was a lot uh but i didn't like the fact that they went after cuomo for his book money like they went after andrew cuomo for his book money i think they wanted to get back five yeah for what reason i don't know what her reasoning was I mean obviously she just wanted to stick it to him and fuck him But I think it was that he it was seen as some form of a government payment or I don't remember the technicality But I remember being very annoyed that she was trying to go after I think was a five million dollar advance

Lawfare is fucking terrifying. It's terrifying when they do that to people when everybody could see it Yes, that's the real problem with the Trump one. And my problem wasn't, my real problem was like, don't these people understand, doesn't the general public with their lack of outrage, because he's on the right and they're on the left, don't those people understand that now they've set a precedent and then they could use that on you now or anybody else? And if a Republican president gets in like there's in now, it could be easily used on his opponents because they've set a precedent.

That's scary shit, man. It's really scary. And nobody, again, it's like whether it's with Donald Sterling and privacy, nobody sticks up for each other on principle. And the conservatives don't do it like, they've got like the free speech thing in their corner now much more than Progressives do but it's like I don't hear them sticking up for progressives who are annoying It's like you have to stick up for people you don't like yes, and that you think are shit It's not just you're not a big free speech warrior if you only fucking Raise a flag for people who agree with you and I find them falling into that trap It's like don't fall into that fucking trap

And I find them falling into that trap as I don't fall into that fucking trap Stick up for progressives who suck and who are saying stupid things defend their right to say it without getting in trouble Don't look at them getting fired is a good good case your own medicine like we get it But then that's how they justify you getting fired 100% So it drives me crazy that people don't defend other people's right to privacy or right to say what they want and and everyone in the country thinks they're a free speech absolutist, but they're not. They're not, yeah. Elon's as close as I've seen. Like, he doesn't seem to be shutting anybody up,

like, regardless of what they say on his platform. People are talking shit about him every day. I saw one person was alluding to bad things happening to him, you know, like wanting that, or I wouldn't say encouraging it but close to encouraging it. And I'm like, if he's leaving that up, nobody has any room to complain. Yeah, like if he leaves up horrible shit about himself, then anybody also left up the Kanye

song. The Hitler song. Oh, yes. Is that where he blew his cousin? Or is that a different one? That's a different one. Oh, wow. All the hits.

Yeah. Was that a different one? That's a different. Oh wow all the hits yeah That means the song is heil Hitler Singing heil Hitler like in a catchy song. It's like wow I Crazy it is crazy, and I don't know Kanye West at all. I've never particularly loved him I find a lot of it is just like he'll just say the most troll Like something tells me he's gonna come back down to earth one day and go look. I was off my medication Like, something tells me he's gonna come back down to Earth one day and go, look, I was off my medication. I didn't mean any of that shit that I said. I feel bad about it.

I think he's gonna stay off his medication. I think when he puts on his medication, he can't be creative. I think part of his thing, whatever his, the way his mind works... Yeah. You know? I mean, it's a, this mania. There's, yeah.

I was gonna say, I understand that in a way because I've always like, you know You go through your pressure whatever. I'm like, do I want to go on something? But I've always been scared that it would fuck up my probably will creativity. Yeah, it probably will. I mean, I think I Mean, I don't know what's going on in Kanye's mind or anybody's mind other than my own But I would imagine that you mean a guy like Kanye who's so prolific I mean, he's put out so many albums and he's a complete workaholic and Just has like when you talk to him like I had him on the podcast and it's almost like when you're talking He's upset like he doesn't want he wants to talk. He wants just constantly talk. Yeah, I kids brains like a tornado just

It's all just going all these different thoughts and but that's also why he can make so many great songs It's like it's all just pouring out of them But you know it also gets out of hand and then you know you wind up in the situation where he's in now It also he's the only person he went into him and Trump were he was in Trump's office one time Yeah, and he's the only person I've ever seen Trump just kind of sit there and go alright Well, whenever he's finished, I'll jump in I've never seen anyone do that to Trump Well Trump was happy that any celebrity was on his side because at that point he was Hitler You know there's a lot of people that were calling him Hitler and to have a guy like Kanye West

Who is such a contrarian also? There was the thing because Obama said he was a jackass. Yes. And so he was like, oh really? Well fuck you. That's right. It was about the Taylor Swift thing. Oh yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah.

That guy's a jackass. It wasn't even that harsh of an incident. He said it privately and I think somebody heard it or it was picked up on a mic. I don't think he said it to be public. I thought he said it privately and then somebody got the audio or whatever. It was really the Taylor Swift thing I believe it was yeah. Oh here it is here

Yeah, it wasn't seems like perfectly nice person. She's getting her award Cut this out. Look. I'm assuming all this stuff. Where's the pool? Come on, guys. Cut the presence of slack. See, it wasn't even that.

Yeah, and he wanted that cut out. Yeah. That was private talk. Yeah. And it wasn't even said with real... Malice. Real rancor. Yeah, it was just like, he's a jackal.

People laugh. Yeah. I guess that would annoy me if I was him. I mean... If I was him. Yeah. If it was me, I'd be like, yeah, he's me if I was him. I mean if I was him yeah if it was me I'd be like guys right I guess so yeah Like I was being a jackass, but at what point do you cuz you know everyone has a Joe Rogan opinion

Everyone weighs in on you it's crazy like I see on the Daily Mail all the time at what point are you able to go? Like I just don't give a fuck what I don't read any of it. You don't care. No, I don't read any of it No, I guess does it bother you has it ever bothered you you can't do anything about it. Why would it bother you? What are you gonna do? You can change their mind? You know you can't and a lot of it is disingenuous a lot of it. They don't know you they don't listen to what you say You know if they far right whenever they say far right far right pod. Okay. Yeah, I've had comics say that like they just don't know and I'm like You don't really you really never paid attention I mean stuck up for gay marriage. He loves Bernie like it's crazy when you hear

I was very jealous that you and I talked to Hinchcliffe about this when you interviewed Magnus Magnus Carlson yeah, there's very few people. I really want to meet that I haven't met But he's somebody just him like bang the chessboard Yeah, yeah, cuz he lost he made a fumble. He fucked up. He was ahead of the game He was winning yeah made a blunder it was and it was and but here's the genius of the people like They actually call it like a sport and the the people watching it knew he fucked up and which means they're all geniuses Magnus blundered Magnus blundered! Magnus Blundered! They couldn't believe he had made that. I think it was a rook move.

But he's somebody I would like to, I don't know what I'd talk to him about. Oh, he's fascinating. Fascinating. Any high achiever, or really high level person like that, world champion in something that's insanely difficult, they're fascinating people. I feel that way about MMA fighters, any kind of pro athlete, anybody who's like Aaron Rodgers, like any high level performer. Those are very, very unusual people. Do you give them slack? I mean, just in your brain as a person, if they're a little whatever, if they're rude, they're rude, but if somebody's a little quirky or weird, if you're that good at something,

that might just be the price you pay. Oh, for sure. Like Bobby Fischer I love. He's one of my favorite people ever, even though he completely went berserk. But I have such an affection for Bobby Fischer, and I'm like, ah, he's such a genius that sometimes it just, there's a price you pay.

It gets away from you. 100%. I think it absolutely does and can. And I think that absolutely does and can. And I think that when you're dealing with a high level performer in any discipline, whatever drives them to be that much better than anybody else probably makes them insane. I mean, I just don't think, I don't think real true excellence comes without a price. I don't think there's any way to get there

without just not being balanced in a bunch of other areas of your life because you're focusing almost all of your attention on one very specific thing, whether it's moving chess pieces around or throwing a football, whatever the fuck it is. Like there's no way you can be balanced in every aspect of your life

if you want to be 5% better than anybody who's ever done it. Yeah, and it is weird, too, because to be better than everybody at something. Yeah. It's, I mean, like, if you ever talk to somebody at a party just when our life is doing standup, and they're talking about their job, and a lot of times I'm like, oh, shut the fuck up. I don't care. Give a shit.

I know. So, to be that on such a level, better than everyone on earth at something, it's gotta be hard not to live in that place where you can't relate. Very few things are interesting. Very few things are moving. Right.

Like Buzz Aldrin, he snapped at me when we interviewed him. He's a bit of a cranky guy. Let's not dilly-dally. I've gotta get to CNN. Fuck you, Buzz. Is that what he said to you? Yes! I asked him a question, bit of a cranky guy. Let's not dilly-dally. I've got to get to CNN Yes, I asked I asked him a question a good question about his book on Mars I asked him about space travel and I said about What type of psychological? Testing would you maybe need to go on a three-year space trip? Yeah, and good question. Thank you I felt it was to it buzz did not he fucking snapped at me

So I but I bet again like Regan had a bit about him walking on the moon, and it's like when you've gone there It's almost like anything else and I took it by the way because it was buzz. I wasn't gonna yell at him It's right fucking buzz Aldrin. Whatever. I'm an annoying blinking idiot asking a question I think sounds smart and he just shut me up But like how do you find other people interesting when you're that guy right when you've done that? Maybe my question was just banal and stupid well There's a lot of people like that that are the best at the whatever the fuck they do that They can't relate to anybody else other than other people that do their thing and they're usually very competitive with those people

So they've alienated them from their friend group as well, which is really kind of crazy Well the worst is people who think they're that guy and who are just mediocre. Just the average comics. Oh, that's the war. The comics are the worst with that. The narcissist comics that believe they're better than everybody else when they're just mediocre is crazy. And then they just like shit on all the other comics.

It's like, do you ever watch your own act? Like, do you don't hate your act? Like, that's crazy. And you think you're doing Shakespeare and like every comic like we all have a narcissistic quality. You need that to be in front of people. Look at me. That's a narcissistic quality. But there's a difference between that and being like a legit narcissist. Yeah, and the way comics are fucking very petty about guys like they attacked Matt Reif. I'm like he's harmless. He's just out there doing his act in front of fucking 20,000 people. They hate him because he's successful Yes, but if he was nobody they wouldn't hate him. That's all it is man

There's so many you very rarely see these comics attacking someone who's not doing as well as them It's always a guy who is doing better who they feel I'm entitled deserve it. Yeah Yeah, my comedy is so much more cerebral So much more interesting like oh, is it really I that's one thing I'll say for myself And this I have a lot of faults, but I've always put the blame squarely where it belongs on me Yes, I never think it's the world loves you. It's it I mean, that's a very good quality to have you know like maybe self deprecating to a fault sure like you're a little bit Self-deprecating to a fault like I don't care. I don't know how many times. I've had to tell you no Jim

You're fucking great stop. You know like you and I've had a lot of those conversations Yeah, and I but I don't do it for it's better than me saying Jim. You're not great. Yeah, Jim. You're okay Yeah, Jesus fucking Christ leave everybody else alone and look yourself But I don't I don't do that because I want people to compliment me either like I'm never out there going you guys in my fat But it's the guys who think like I wouldn't watch and I don't know Matt I just I went and watched some of his clips. I'm like he's funny. He's just doing crowd work. Look. What's the problem? He's good. He's good at it. It's the reason why the arena's full first of all very handsome good-looking guy Yeah, cute adorable lovable

Really nice guy in real life. I knew him before he was ever famous. I met him when he's 20 years old He was coming around the store. It was a nice fucking guy. I've been friends with him for a long time I don't understand that hate, but I you know I was coming from a different position You know I was coming from a position where I was already famous and I wasn't looking to be more. I wasn't, you know, there's some people that like always feel like they haven't gotten enough. They haven't gotten enough credit, haven't gotten enough respect.

You know, these other people are stealing from them. It's a famine mentality. It's a terrible mentality to carry around with you because you never heal from it. If you go through life with this famine mindset and everybody else is doing better than you, like you have the worst attitude ever for getting good at things

because you're always going to be focusing too much of your attention on other people. You're really sabotaging yourself, whether you believe it or not. What they're getting, what they're doing, it's the feeling of entitlement. Like if I was bitter about every person that used to open for me that passed me,

I mean I'd be on a comedy club roof with an AR-15. I just, I couldn't handle it. I mean, you have to learn to live with it and go like, yeah, you know what? I recognized people that were funny. Like I like funny people and I was right about certain people. Like they're really good comics. So yeah, it's that sense of entitlement that guys get

that drives me fucking crazy But I see them attacking certain people doing well I'm like I don't they always did the carrot top even though he's actually funny. He's a funny comic It's a funny show got a great show in Vegas. It's fucking great, and he's a really nice guy Yeah, he's a great not a mean guy. It doesn't deserve anyone's hate. He's a sweetheart Yeah, you know when I had him on the podcast he was so happy It's so thankful that like someone wasn't shitting on him on the podcast, he was so happy and so thankful that like someone wasn't shitting on him. And they said like, dude, I got great crowds

now. My crowds are packed. Like it's a great show. If you're in Vegas, go check them out. Yeah, it's fun. And he's a really nice guy. And I watched him, uh, uh, like on kill Tony, there's a clip of him and they pulling up these things and like a game mouse. It was a disco ball over a mouse trapping. It was so stupid, but it's, it mouse, it was a disco ball over a mouse trap and it was so stupid. But it's really as funny as stuff. Silly, just silly. Comedians think all props are bad or all,

and me and Colin talked about that one time and he goes, why should the hacks own McDonald's? Like, meaning like, if you have something that's original and funny to say about a subject, who cares if hacks have touched it? If your thought is original, fuck them. Exactly. And it's this weird thing where comics think

they sound smarter if they go after certain things. Yeah, it's stupid. It's dumb. It's a dumb perspective. It should be, here's the world through my eyes, and everything is in the world. Traffic is in the world. If you have a traffic joke, and it's actually legitimate.

Like, maybe you have a perspective on traffic that I've never heard before. Maybe your airline travel bit will be the airline travel bit that I really love. Because you know, that's the problem with comics too, is that when you're on the road too much, your experiences are very limited. Because all you're doing is performing in front of people,

hanging out in the green room, going to dinner, flying in a airplane, staying in a hotel. So how many comics have jokes about hotel rooms and you know, they knock on the the door even when the do not disturb is on, you're jerking off, like how many guys have done those jokes? But it's just because you have a very limited experience to draw from.

I actually, I started taking days off. And my wife and I will go on vacation somewhere, we'll do, because it becomes where you're feeding on yourself, like you're only doing A, B, C, D, A, B, C, and there's no life. And I'm like, what am I gonna fucking talk about? We get it, you were at Newark Airport, it sucks. So I just wanted to do more life things.

A, because it's fun to do, but B, it's like, I allowed myself to, because I'm like, you can at least talk about it on stage. You can't just talk about being a comic or your... I'm almost too much talking about myself. I want to start talking about other things. I just feel like the only thing I'm really qualified to discuss in my own life, but I kind of want to talk about other shit too, because life is kind of stable now, and I don't know what to do with that.

I don't know how to handle, you know what I mean, like not being out and being crazy and fucking riding around for four hours a night with a piss cup In my car So I did when oh and a were kicked off the I would ride around and just fucking just ride around for Four hours a night listen. I couldn't listen to any comedy. I couldn't because so in such a fucking depression I would put on sports radio 660, Joe Beningo overnight. I don't know, you know who he is? No. He was a guy on 660, 240 on the fan, and he was a

jet fan and he was a fucking maniac. But I would listen to him complain about the jets and or Art Bell. I fell in love with Art Bell. There he is right there. Ah, I didn't even notice that. Yeah, he's on the wall now. That's why I heard about Michio Kaku was from him. And I tell you, he lived in my building in New York so I would listen to art ball and I would listen to Joe Benningo and just look at hookers all night and piss in a cup and I would fucking ride around and it was just my My way of and go to bed wake up maybe eight hours later and go do tough crowd when I was on It was a real crazy fucking time.

So now life is stable. Yeah, when ONA got pulled, that was an interesting moment of censorship, right? Like that homeless guy came on and said terrible things about Condoleezza Rice. And the Queen of, no, that's a different, when we got fired was for Sex for Sam. That was 2002.

Oh, that was when someone had sex in a church. Yeah, for, you got points. That's right, that's right, that's right. But the company had signed off on the bit. Like I got why they were mad, but they had signed off, it was a sponsored bit. The company knew what was going on. So ONA could have survived that

if the company didn't panic. And in fact, it's so funny, regular radio is what saved the career, because when XM suspended the show for a month, we were on K-Rock at that time. Right. And they kept us on for the month. Oh.

So then eventually we came back to Satellite a month later. But I think they would have fired us. I remember those days, yeah. Yeah. I'm not doing radio now, it's the first time in 20 years. It's very strange. Wow. To not have to be up,

I get up at like nine now and just go to the gym So I have some kind of schedule, but it's very weird after 20 years to be gone from that day on radio forever It's been more than 20 years, hasn't it? Well, it was 20 on this run and like but when did the ONA start ONA I did like 2001 2002 okay, we got fired came back on October of 04, and my contract expired the end of December of 24. So it was about 22 years total. Every comic owes ONA a debt of gratitude.

All of us do. Without them, I don't think there would be podcasts. I think that was the real podcast. because that was the first time we realized Cuz oh and a did the show with no structure where it's like I did Howard a bunch of times But when you did Howard you were a guest. Yeah, they wanted stuff that you were gonna talk about they had questions for you They had setups, you know, they were ready And then a couple of times I did Howard where you would write jokes for him So you would sit there and there was an overhead projector projector It was the Jackie chair when Jackie left, right?

So they brought a bunch of us in and then already wound up doing it all the time. I couldn't do it I just like it was too early in the morning. Yes, like I didn't want to live in New York But I did it a bunch of times but it was structured, you know And Howard was always in control of it and he's actually running the keys Yes He's he's running the board, the soundboard. And you know, it was a very structured show and you know, that's how we did it forever. I get it.

But the way ONA did it was so different. There was no structure. You'd go in there and you'd sit and just have fun. Yeah. And it was Patrice and you and me and fucking, you know, everybody would come in. Voss, Bobby. Voss and Bobby and all these different people would come in and burr and you know everybody was on Bobby boss and Bobby and all these different people come in and burn you know I mean and it was some of the wildest moments ever like the baby bird that I'll never see anything crazier than that in my

life and never yeah yeah he died recently huh Pat from Monocchia not had Philbin I think his name was rest in peace Pat from Monocchia that one thing that you did that one day Was one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in my fucking life. Yeah, it was Ari was there with me Burr was there and I remember it was my idea I think it was right because you know, I was doing fear factor at the time I was used to people doing horrible shit and I was like, how about you lean your head over the garbage can and he throws up in your mouth yeah

and Fucking pat down. He was such a psycho. He was like okay. He would do anything He brushed his teeth with cat shit. I thought it was dog shit, but you might be right But I'm at the pat duffy was a fucking fucking psycho He was like a marine if interns had that he was a seal. He was a fearless fearless He was funny. He didn't give a fuck. Yeah, he was great. It was great He was the best like radio employee of all time. He really was that moment was the fucking craziest thing I've ever seen in my life

I couldn't believe it was happening and the amount of vomit that was coming out of Pat's mouth When he was throwing it into Pat Duffy's face and Pat was lying there with his mouth Open yeah letting I mean people at home listening to this you'll come on. There's cell phone footage of this Yes, I'm like a 2002 cell there doesn't seven yeah was it 2007 yeah, and it could bring K rock that's the K rock studio right there He throws up in his mouth his mouth wide open it was so disgusting and it kept coming Yeah, because Pat drank like some fucking it was 70 something things of eggnog two gallons of eggnog It was fucking insane any I'd die. Oh there it goes there goes and it would just keep coming like you like no

It's over and if you hear us in the studio. We're all screaming the studio we're all screaming he just keeps throwing up you think it's over you think it's over no he's got more and at the end I mean it's cartoon it's like that scene in stand by me with the blueberry eating contest yes or in on money he keeps going it keeps going it doesn't end. He thinks it's over. Oh, it was fucking absolutely completely insane. Do you ever see the meaning of life in Monty Python? When the guy, a wafer thin mint monsieur, and he starts vomiting, get me a bucket, I'm gonna throw up.

This is what he reminds me of, because he's not moving. He's standing there and his mouth opens and the vomit just shoots. Dude, usually you retch and you move, but he just opened his mouth and it was like a button got pushed and it fucking... It's the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life. And if it wasn't, there it is. Exactly. It's just like, but it's not, that's not even as extreme.

Look how fat that guy is. He was just great. Insane. A wafer thin mint. Yeah. And you know, that show, having that kind of a format, let us all realize how fun it is to just get comics together and just talk shit. Yeah.

You know, and then when Anthony started doing live from the compound, when he did his own show, that was, and then of course, Tom Green's show, cause Tom Green had his own show in his living room, and I was a guest on that too, and I was like, that really lit the light bulb in my head. Yeah. But when Anthony Green has his own show in his living room and I was a guest on that too and I was Like that really with the light bulb in my head Yeah, when Anthony started doing his own show from his basement I was like, why don't I do something like that, you know, I could see and he had a professional setup

He had he had fucking beer kegs and he had a beer on tap and he was doing karaoke with a machine with a machine gun I mean just a psychopath singing you light up my life with a fucking AR-15. But he was having a good time. And I remember the radio station was trying to get him to stop doing it. XM or Sirius, whoever it was, was trying to get him to stop doing it. And he was like, well, why?

It's not radio. If anything, he's getting more people to watch the radio show. He would do it on weekends. It didn't interfere with the show. It was like he would just go and fuck around. And that was back when we were on pal talk too, remember? Oh god yeah. Yeah the video would be on pal talk because most people would only be watching or listening on radio. Right. But then they would broadcast live on pal talk because it was like so unheard of like nobody

was doing that. That was how the Anthony Weiner dick photo got out. Really? That was from Opie and anthony that was we had Vincent and off real in studio and we had Andrew Breitbart and Excited met Breitbart doing a red eye on Fox so they both came in and we were talking and the pal talk window was open and Apparently I didn't like Andrew had the picture of Anthony wiener's dick so he showed us in studio We just looked at it on the phone. But apparently Anthony held it up to the Paltalk window

and showed them and somebody grabbed it. Oh wow. And that was how that photo got out. Wow, SiriusXM in stinky situation. I want an investigation from Sirius into what the hell happened there, Breitbart says after he shows an x-rated picture to shock jocks Opie and Anthony who then shared on Twitter

To yeah, but I it was one of the brief bucket mad at me And he's like I was friends with Jim Norton and he told us to Elliot Spitzer on his show and he goes and he betrayed Me, but I really didn't it wasn't me. I was doing Tom Papa's fucking podcast. So he thought you did it He thought I set him up, but I really didn't. No. And I saw him years later in LA, and I explained it to him, and he was very cool. I was happy, because right before he died,

so I always liked him. I was happy that we at least, I got to tell him, dude, that wasn't me at all. Did they whack him? Did they whack Andrew B. Part? No, because they would have crashed the site. I mean, he was doing coke, right? Wasn't it an overdose or something?

I think he had a heart attack. Oh, it was a heart attack. I thought it was, here I'm just starting rumors. He was doing coke, right? I don't remember, I mean, maybe to in coke right wasn't an overdose or something. I think you had a heart attack. I thought it was Yeah, I'm just starting rumors. Hey, it's doing coke right now. I don't remember me Maybe he was doing coke, but I think it was a heart attack Oh my I think there was a lot of suspicion that he might have got whacked really because yeah He was one of those guys that was you know exposing a lot of shit Yeah, but they didn't they didn't crash the site did the site change after he was gone wearing headphones God damn it. It's just so natural.

He just put them on. No wonder I was enjoying myself so much. We did. When Liberace winks at me, Liberace got you to wear headphones. He sure did. I just noticed that you were wearing them. Yeah, I didn't notice either.

But when Liberace winks, you have to hear it in both ears. Yeah, there was some speculation that he got whacked but it wasn't ever anybody dies or speculation that got whacked. Yeah, I didn't I didn't know that. But I felt bad about that. Was that collapsed on the street near his home? Collapsed on the street near his home? hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.

focal carniary arthrosclerosis died from congest congestive heart failure, which had been diagnosed the year before. Oh, so you had a heart attack. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, when you're running a site like that, I mean, imagine the stress. It's constant. Yeah. And then, you know, you're also like your business is exposing people politically and opening up yourself to potential assassination. Well, who do you think put up the Opium Anthony Homeless Charlie audio? Oh, he did? It was Andrew Breitbart. It was before I knew him.

But that's where it went up on Breitbart. And the headline was, will this crash? Will this stop the merger between Sirius and XM? Wow. So that was why they reacted, because they were afraid. I think people in regular radio wanted to stop that merger. Oh, 100%. Radio was terrified of SiriusXM.

They were terrified of it. So I think they pushed that story, hoping that it would fucking tank the merger, which of course it did not. You remember those days when you first went over there? It was so crazy because we could talk like we could talk in the green room. Yeah, we could swear we call someone a cunt You can say anything you want. It was crazy They never I'll take one of it seriously even though I didn't like the way the contra way my time there ended I wish that was handled a little bit better But I guess everybody who leaves a gig wishes things are handled differently. They never once fucked with me about content

I'll say that for them. They never came for me goes Hey, man, we that thing you talked about, could you not, could you back off? Even long into where everybody was getting canceled and in trouble, Sirius never came and asked me not to say something. Jim McClure, who ran the channel, never broke my balls about jokes we did

or a stance we would take. They kinda let that go. Well, they had a crazy situation where they you knew that one person was getting insane amounts of money Yes, Howard Stern and everybody else was getting very little was real weird It was because it was very open that Howard was getting all that money Which obviously he was the reason why I went over there in the first place. Yeah, he's I get it It was it was serious and we were at XM and he was at serious and that was the giant get was Howard going over Also, there's also the thing that if he leaves the stock collapses

Especially now. Yeah, you know, I mean if you don't have Howard Stern anymore, what do you got? What do you have that's not available for free? Yeah, I saw my serious talk. So whatever happens I did I was happy it spiked up to like seven and I fucking dumped Were you allowed to sell while you were working there? Did you have to wait till you weren't working there? Nobody can't nobody asked me. They didn't give me stock you bought. I bought it I bought it years before when I thought they're gonna go bankrupt We bought a little bit, but I was gets when I took at the losses when I was getting sued So I didn't buy as much because pay for fucking lawyers

But yeah, they tried to cut me an unreasonable amount, and so we were still negotiating, and then they just go, oh yeah, we're not gonna renew. They waited till Christmas break, and they go, we're not gonna renew. So I was like, all right. I guess I get why they did that. But it's gotta be weird when you're over there

and you know that Stern is getting hundreds of millions of dollars, and everybody else is like, you know, they're just pinching pennies with people. I never minded that, and really didn't care because I only cared about what I was getting. And when I saw what they gave certain podcasters that went over there, I'm like, OK, they do have the money.

So if they're choosing not to give it to me, yeah, I have to just accept that. Like, you know, I mean, like I never knew what Opie and Anthony made. I still to this day don't know what their salary was. I never asked. That's great Anthony made I still to this day don't know what their salary was I never asked That's great begrudge those guys. I never gave a fuck like you know they were the brand Opie Anthony It was like they took me in so I never care what they got I never felt entitled to their money, and I never asked what they made even when me and Opie did a show I never said what you making like they gave me a raise But I didn't I don't look at money like that like where I have to know what you're making

Cuz it's like yeah, that's not my good. That's a healthy way to look at it. Yeah, so whatever Howard made I'm sure some of it was inflated but like oh you made a lot of fuck He did he made a lot of fucking money, but but again if he's not there How are you selling it if he's not there? What are you? What are you selling? That's not available for free everywhere That's why I was like bummed about the way it happened I'm like cuz we did a talk show Maybe they were just like yeah, we can put more money into the rest of the channel of Jim go whatever I'm glad I'm doing a podcast like I haven't noticed any change in my life

Which is great because I'm on the road more making you know I'm making money on the road, but it's weird not having it It's weird. It's weird not knowing that it's there right right right like yeah It hasn't affected anything, but the knowledge that that income was going to be there is gone So it's a kind of a weird naked feeling does it make you more motivated to do stuff though So like to get your own thing going on in the I'm on the road more now like I'm doing extra road work And the special was one of those things where I Wanted to do one anyway, but it most like I shot it in November and before we even came back from break I had my channel set up. I had already started doing episodes. I was like fuck this. I'm not sitting and waiting

It's not gonna take me a year. Yeah, I'm just gonna get up and if it takes me a year to get Moving fine, but I'm gonna start now. What is Sam doing these days? He's doing a show they gave him the show Oh, so he's still yeah, and they got rid of you. Yes. Whoa. Well, I mean I kind of saw that coming I used to yeah, I mean I I almost So they had cut me the year before a little bit. But again, I'm not unreasonable. I'm not a fucking idiot people take cuts Oh, they cut your money? Yes, by 10%. But I'm like, you know what, it's still good money. My wife had just come to the States,

I'm like, I wanna make sure I have money for lawyers, whatever, and then I told my manager, they're gonna cut me by this much, guaranteed. And they almost to the dollar offered me what I predicted. So we pushed back and tried to negotiate, and they acted like they were negotiating, and then the day of Christmas break, like when we were off the air for two weeks I got the call like yeah we're not gonna so they were just kind of I think keeping it going until that but I don't I

don't have any bad I truly don't like they bought me two apartments I had a great life there I fucking I broadcasted for 20 years like it's time to move on anyway yeah and I was telling you a long time ago that you could be doing better on the internet Anyway by your own. I think I remember I remember you talking to me I mean 2017 around even before then about pod. I wasn't allowed to podcast because of my My contract they wouldn't allow it and I think that was one of the sticking points with this one I was like I have to be able to do my own podcast especially if I'm taking a cut And I'll just eat shit for a while until it gets where I want it to go Yeah, you have to be able to be your own boss in this day and age. It's just it's not

It's and also the as big as serious XM was it's just not that anymore You know it's just not what it used to be like if If I didn't have a podcast and during the opi and anthony days what it was in his Height if they offered me a show i've been like whoa yeah that would have made sense But now i'd be like what am i what? Unless i wanted to do kind of what howard's done just make a ton of money and kind of like slip away Which is really what i kind of tried to do is with spotify i was hoping that spotify was gonna make me like

10% less famous. That was like the idea. Really? Yeah. I was like, give me money. Give me more famous. I don't need that. I'm always just give me the money. But you know, if, but nowadays it's like, there's just not enough people listening. And I know they own Pandora now too. So they've made a bunch of deals with podcasters because I think they're going to try to get people to listen to Pandora and do it that way. Your Stitcher, I think they do too. Stitcher, yep. We used to be on Stitcher too.

But that's the thing, it's like the internet is just too, there's so many more people that are listening to all these other platforms. Spotify, YouTube, it's just too enormous. It's too big to right ignore It is it is and it's like I think that they kind of they handle podcasting in a way that terrestrial radio handled satellite which was You know, it's not a big deal and then get involved with it or somehow embrace it But a little bit later in the in the game too late. Yeah, but I mean they have some big podcasts I mean like again, I mean, they have some big podcasts. I mean, like, again, I don't- They have Call Her Daddy now, right? They do.

And when I realized the money they gave her, again, I don't begrudge her at all. Like, whatever you make, you make, and it's got nothing to do with my salary. But I realize they do have the money. So if they're choosing not to, I have to just fucking accept that. But you gotta wonder if that's a good idea for her.

But she's still on Spotify, though. I don't know, is she? I don't know. Yeah, isn't she? She is, right? Yeah, I think she's still everywhere Spotify though. I don't know, is she? I don't know. Yeah, isn't she? She is, right? Yeah, I think she's still everywhere else too. Which makes it a good idea. The thing is if they limit your distribution, that's what makes it a bad idea.

One of the new things that we did with this new deal with Spotify, and they were actually into it, was put it everywhere. Not just be on Spotify, but also go back on YouTube, back on Apple right everywhere, which was made me very happy like it should be everywhere Yes, you know you want people to just to stumble on it or to go I heard this thing about about this thing today. I want to go look at it right now, right? They don't want to sign up for something into the fucking email Give your credit card Yeah, it's kind of silly and some people just get accustomed to using certain platforms like for me forever all I listen to is Apple podcasts you

know the podcast app on Apple yes simple I'd like download whatever the fucking shows I wanted to listen to and I would get it that way I don't want to have to change I want to have to look around you know it's just one of those things people get accustomed to getting things in a certain way. It's right. It's there Yeah, yeah, it's great to see to like like I don't show I'm sure he does get the credit but like Dane deserves a lot of credit because of the Social media oh yeah, and I think Dane history has kind of forgotten about what he's like He did a lot to change the way we promote a hundred percent and then Schultz that that fucking thing

I've just turn your phone this way now, like holy shit, like it revolutionized the way comedians put out clips. And it's like, I mean. Well, what he did was do, he capitalized on COVID in the best possible way. He came up with a different style. He's so smart.

He thought of a different style of comp, because there was a lot of people during COVID that were doing like late night talk show monologues on the internet and they were terrible. Terrible. Because there was no audience. No audience. But what Schultz did was he made up for the fact there wasn't any audience with visuals and rapid fire punchlines. That's right. And he did it differently than he does his stand up. Like his stand up, he'll say something really funny and let it sit so it's even funnier. Like it builds, you know, and he'll look at you like what? You know, it'll hold the laugh. Yes. Whereas in this Netflix or in the, you know, it was on Netflix as

well but when he was doing the sideways thing it was just rapid-fire and then it is he's more than a this and a that, and a that and a this, and a photograph of the thing, and you're watching, you go, hilarious. He's different than stand-up. Yes, and everybody was sharing it. It was a genius approach to a genre. Instead of trying to apply stand-up style comedy and monologues to your Instagram,

he did a whole new thing. Yeah, and his standup is funny. He did something on jokes that only work in Hawaii. And it's in an arena, and he's fucking murdering the way you murder in a club. But it's like they're all new jokes just for Hawaii. And it was like, god damn, it's really funny. He does that everywhere he goes.

He did that in Abu Dhabi. Or Dubai, yeah, in Dubai. He had jokes only about Dubai, about shitting on hookers. It was like oh, that's so awesome It's my life But I was happy to see somebody doing something really Creative as opposed to blinking their way to chip chippers on a fucking TBS show Don't shit on chip. I love shit. I love chip, too I love the fact that that's your your closet character when you put the wig on the glasses

I'm understand. It's the bane of my exit. I can't do anything without being called a sock cuck I fucking kiss In the live chat today, it's all chip. Hey when it's chip coming back chip is but it's all Loving hate chip. I love chip. I love chip. Yeah, it's uh Such a fucking weird thing it is it really is I might do it again I miss doing it like when Anthony would come on it was that like the best we did a few lied to three live shows With it, and it was fucking amazing there were theater shows and the crowds Loved it. It's sold better than I do which is absolutely humiliating

Than Jim Norton Jim Norton there's still a giant curtain. Chip fucking sold out. But I do miss doing it, but I don't miss getting guests. Like I fucking, now I have one podcast I do. I love doing it, but I still hate saying, hey, could you film more? Like I hate. Did you do it all yourself? Is that the way you did it?

Pretty much. Like you reach out to people? Yeah, I had a, my co-host, my co-host I was using most recently was Zia, and she was great. And she would do like a lot of the behind-the-scenes work for me And she would you know Help reach out to people and coordinate, but I ultimately had to ask it was like one of those things I wanted a comedian on I'm one time

Nick DePaulo came on and he was sitting across and this was what chip would give us all sailor hats and we're all wearing Sailor hats and I remember a goal column chip. I have to I can't see me I can't I can't face it like Ted Bundy we're talking about myself in the third person why he's not proud of it so I would all that we had on these sailor hats I remember Nick was talking and we were having fun but it was the way he was like looking like he was looking at Jim as he was talking and he didn't say he was he played along but I was like oh Hey fucking I just had a Nick stare at me And I knew he was seeing his friend Jim with a wig on a wig and glasses, but I do miss

It made me laugh To do it, but people would just be too annoying about like, oh, get this, get that, they would complain, it's like, oh, I made zero money doing it. And here's why, I didn't make money on YouTube because I didn't realize that I shouldn't have had the word fuck in the theme song. Jamie Jaster from fucking Hatebreed sang the theme song and it was Chip has a fucking, but like literally,

that automatically fucks you for monetization and I had no idea, so all of my episodes had fuck in the first five seconds. I never made any money doing Chip. A few hundred bucks on a read here and there. But it was a labor of love. It was one of those things that you do. You could bring it back with a new theme song? I could.

Or I did change it at one point. I changed it. I took fucking out. Yeah, just change it. People love Chip. Put Gosh darn. It was some obvious, some awful edit that went in But it's like when am I gonna do it? Where am I gonna do once mine gets up in like mines been up for a few months?

I love doing it. We do callers, which I like the live interactions like when you do radio It's hard to not feel like anybody is listening right in the moment you know And it takes you in weird directions like people will call up with Legit everyone like some comics like ah But then as soon as somebody goes What do you think about this and they're talking about wanting to commit suicide or they're talking about fucking? It becomes interesting because people like everyone wants to give advice right right right yeah, so I like that I like knowing that something alive will take you into a different direction than we would have gone in yeah

Oh, yeah for sure yeah, there's something to that yeah yeah There's definitely something to that, but there's that you know there's also something It's like it becomes very chaotic because people are calling it just to fuck with you and I've Surprisingly had very little of that we've been I mean again I'm always with coming from ONA like nothing is too much at this point because you become so used to right Craziness and people death threats in the fucking I still use a fake name at the cellar because I would get death threats like that There was a couple of them that actually concerned me because people using their real names I'm like if a guy is threatening to kill you with his real name attached to it like he's fucking he's a problem

What was it over? What there was one time? Anthony had said something and the guy thought I said it And the guy said something about I'm gonna fucking kill you. I don't remember what it was, but it was it was the tone He said it I'm like that feels different than anything anyone's ever said to me plus again last time we talked about the fucking lawyer Who hadn't committed a murder at that point? But I still knew he was crazy and I would get I have a hate mail fucking file And I used to argue with them back and forth like a dummy But people would tell me watch your back. I know where you live

I'm gonna shoot you and then I would see a real name sign to it and I'm like yeah that guy's mentally You know he's a lot of those out there fuck. Yeah, there are a lot so I started doing that at the comedy cellar I would always use names from the JFK assassination like David Ferri was appearing It was never Oswald or Kennedy. I wasn't down on the nose, but it was him was he was you know Clay Shaw It was just all these weird people from the fucking from the Kennedy assassination Atlee Wong used to have to do that at the Comedy Store Because he was famous right was he a stalker. She'd get stalkers. There was this one crazy guy that kept showing up But you know I guess stalkers for a woman are even more creepy.

Much more terrifying for a woman. And it's like there's got to be a way, like in Black Mirror there's one thing, they had a thing where you could block people from seeing you. And again, it's a futuristic thing. But the penalty for stalking should be so fucking severe. Because the way they allow someone to ruin someone else's life Yeah, it's crazy that they haven't figured out something where when you're convicted of stalking You should be forced to have something in your phone or some type of a monitor bracelet that alerts the other person

It drives me crazy. It's nothing. I hate more than some fucking creep stalker, but I guess I've dealt with it So again, it's very creepy for women way more creepy for women You know and they get a lot more of them. Yes a lot of guys get obsessed Yeah, cuz I don't get stood no I'm not interesting to stalk because I fuck you Stop me just show up and have nice tits But I did fuck one stalker which was great turned out to be oh no yeah, it was a bad move But I did fuck one stalker, which was great turned out to be oh no. Yeah, it was a bad move Was bad in bed. I couldn't keep it up. I was just it was it was three during the lawsuit It was a really bad time for me, and I kind of felt badly

She thought I didn't like her, but I was just but anyway for two years. It was phone stalking boy, and it was not Scary like it would be for a woman just annoying But it becomes a part of your life. Like you become, like this is with the old iPhones. So I would always get these, I would leave LA on a red eye and I would land and my iPhone would be filled with voice messages. Oh boy.

About you know what, Jim, and just you know, what a piece of shit I was, the bad guy. So like she used to think I was talking to her on the radio, like. Oh, she was schizophrenic. I don't know um we would talk dirty a lot, and I and I and you know and credit where it's due Did good dirty? Oh you have no idea the crazy ones are the best fuck they anticipate Exactly what you need right before you get there. Oh Psychotic and erotic yeah real close. It really is it because it's something about the inhibitions

Being lowered and you know the cuck talk I always like that not as much now cuz again a maribor I always enjoyed good cuck talk And I get why guys wouldn't like that but it would make me fucking crazy It's so weird what people like like the the shitting on the chest thing. That's like this like like like the shitting on the chest thing that's like Influencers get paid to go to Dubai a lot of money and those guys will shit on them Wait, they should on the influencer the influence just on them. They should on the influencer Really? I can see that. Yeah, like hot girls

Hot girls go over there and they can make half a million dollars and a guy shit on for a weekend That's so that's crazy Yeah, like just I guess that if you know more than that I mean if you're thinking about people that have insane amounts of money, you know, you're dealing with like oil money These guys like we you know, we talk about the richest people in the world. Yes, Elon Musk is the richest man in the world Yes, well, he's the richest public man in the world. I mean, I'm not saying he's not insanely rich He's worth two-something billion dollars. But that's nothing compared to these royal families. These oil families, they probably have trillions.

They probably have trillions of dollars, but it's not public. They don't have to disclose how much money they have. Whereas in America, wealthy people that are on the legit and the legit and the up-and-up you you know Everybody knows what your net worth is everybody knows how much you have but to pay somebody see I thought you meant to get shit on No, just shit on an influencer I've seen a few tick tocks where I'm like I'd give her a thousand if she let me take a dump on her She was annoying. She was annoying. I think that's what they do. That's great I mean, this is people have talked about it openly girls have talked on some of those weird podcasts girls have talked about how they

Go over there and they'll they make hundreds of thousands of dollars and you know It's only like 20 minutes of their time. They just lay there some guy shits on them. Everybody cheers That's oh, there's a group of people watching a bunch of guys your boys are there and you shit on her an influencer Because you she probably said something you didn't like or you just want to shit on Hot girls tits. I mean that would do nothing for me. I'm a pervert, but I think it's like a humiliation thing They want to humiliate people and they want to know that they have so much money that they can get you to submit to this Willingly dude, I've seen the humiliation look every time I fuck someone I know that look is it is a fucking weird desire to want to shit on somebody it is because it's so not sexual

Like it's weirdly Punishing or like yeah like and again being dirty is I'm not saying having the fetish is wrong kind of pissed on like it's whatever I mean a lot. I've done a lot of trying it. I don't even know what I liked about it I don't know what I liked about it. Was it the- Because it's naughty. It was intimate and naughty. It was private.

Yeah, intimate and not private, intimate and naughty. Yeah. And I think, well, that's, you're getting pissed on. Whereas like, if you're having someone lay there while you shit on them, that is like just an ultimate expression of the power of money. I suppose it is I just don't understand the desire Just like there's so many things I would love to do if people would let me do them for money

But not shit on them like that would just be so like my shits are horrendous I'd be embarrassed and I know and you want to make sure you could shit at the proper time Because you can't really time your shits No, but again if you have enough money to bring her over and shit on her you have enough money to keep her on hold Yeah, she's not busy. I'm drinking coffee I'm having a cold bro. I'll be with smoking cigarettes drinking coffee brewing up a good one for you I have not heard that I know that people get sent over there, and they fuck I actually want to go to Dubai Like it's the one of the few places beautiful. Have you been to the bird?

No, I've been to that but I've been to Dubai I was in Dubai once because they had the weigh-ins there for the UFC and it's like everywhere you look it's like Rolls-Royce Ferrari Lamborghini like there's the amount of money there was preposterous and this was quite a long time ago. This is like 2007 I believe that's by before the bridge was built No, I don't think it was there so what I had seen is just like what was there then and just the Obscene amount of wealth. I mean, it's really like shocking. Yeah, I want to go just to go out So I'm afraid of heights. It's like I want to go into that That that that observation deck on top the one that I'm gonna use floors is it? I wanna say it's like 120 or something.

It's crazy. It's 3,000 feet, the tower. So I think it's the tallest structure in the world. And there's a few people who have sat in that, like there's usually that picture of Tom Cruise, who is batshit crazy. Like he actually jumped out the window of that thing for real.

You ever see footage of him training for that Mission Impossible? He jumped out the window of that building. He jumped out the window, that thing for real. You ever see footage of him training for that Mission Impossible? He jumped out the window of that building. He jumped out the window, strapped in, and I've seen footage of him taken by people on the observation deck of Tom Cruise hanging out on the outside of the Burge Tower, and there's a picture of him sitting on the very, very top,

it's 3,000 feet, and his feet are just hanging off, and a helicopter is circling. He was the first guy to do it. He's not harnessed or anything? He's probably harnessed on his back somehow. What is this for a Mission Impossible movie? One of the Mission Impossibles. Oh my god. It's like he's in space. Oh my god. Look how tall that is. He's running. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen. He's a fucking maniac. He is. And the fact that he's still doing these stunts and he's 62 years old.

Do you see what he did the last mission impossible? He jumped in a flaming parachute ripped the parachute off and then opened up the second parachute Oh, and you know, I mean There's no backup parachute for the second parachute He's doing this for a movie if I met I've never met Tom Cruise if I ever met me All I want to ask him is how do you get insurance companies to agree to let you do this? Like, I can't imagine,

he was running down the face of the, and some of it was shot in CJI, but that's legit. Like, that was real. Yeah, here it is. Look at this. So he jumps out in a flaming parachute, and this is all planned out. I mean, they doused the parachute with gasoline

Jumps they light it on fire. Oh, yeah 16 times oh My god, so he has to cut it loose and then he has to open up his secondary parachute Is there are you wonder is there a kill switch that it's like? Look if you push a clamp and you can't get the clamp Oh, it's fucked like if he can't cut loose. He's fucked and if his second parachute doesn't work. He's double fucked He figures out something crazy hasn't done and then just goes through all the processes of like how do you learn how to do this? Yeah, he learned how to fly helicopters for one of the stunts like one of the stunts where they're they're bombing through the canyons

Yeah, he was actually flying the helicopter. He wanted to make it really obvious that it was him Yes flying that helicopter and the side of the plot I've seen him talk about like being on the side of the plane that took off when he was hanging off the plane But you wonder like what what is it in you that like what kind of a rush when you're not working? What do you do to keep think about like fucking cowboy sarani will fly a plane and then cut the engine in fall because he needs that, he's fucking crazy, he needs dopamine what do you do to match this in your real life? this is the new one, the new plane thing, he's done a couple different plane ones

this is just one of them. Oh you see the string there yeah yeah but they edited all that in the movie right? What if the string breaks? yeah what if the string breaks? Yeah, what if the string breaks? That's right. You can only have so much faith, right? Also, what if he gets hit by a bird right here and gets KO'd? Or falls back and bangs his head on the side of the... This is a thing that's only for these Mission Impossible movies. But by the way, he's been doing these Mission Impossible movies forever.

I was listening to an EPMD song the other day, and in the thing, it's like, Mission Impossible, not Tom Cruise Like there was joking around about Tom Cruise being in Mission Impossible in an EPMD song From like what year was that? Oh EPMD the rappers 97 do I not know them that was his first Mission Impossible movie That's the songs? I mean that's when the lyric came out. The song's called The Joint. That's where it's in I guess. What year was the first Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movie? Maybe even 96, 95 if they were writing about it. Wow! That's wild! That is wild! So he's been basically doing Mission Impossible for 30 years. He's 62 now. Yeah. Crazy. But

he doesn't do that in the other movies he does does he does he do crazy stunts in all of his movies about that I mean the one that lived I repeat that's oh yeah was he doing stunts in those not I mean I don't know exactly how many of them he did but he did the Jack Richard to think I was trending up to yeah and he also broke his ankle he was jumping from one building to another and destroyed his eyes He destroyed, but he actually fucking limped and tried to finish the shot like what a process shot Yeah, it's insane see his ankle collapse when he hits the wall. He's a fucking nut man like a real nut It's like when you look, but you watch old Buster Keaton footage

Oh, yeah, the crazy shit that he would do the train or the building how many mission impossible movies are there? Is there 11? I thought it was like seven or eight. Seven, yeah. Seven? Yeah. So, and it all started in 96, is that what you said? Mm-hmm.

Jesus Christ, that guy's been in some fucking banger movies. Scientology works for some people. It's interesting that he wants to do all of his own stuff. The firm I just rewatched, it's funny, I hated the music in the firm so much it took me out of it. But that's a pretty, that's a great film. Gene Hackman was great in that. Oh yeah, yeah.

What a shame he died, man. He's one guy I never met that I wanted to meet, Gene Hackman. Yeah, I would've liked to have met him too. Oh, is he fuckin' He died bad though, oof. He did, but he died kind of the way you wanna die, just alone and home and

Well, his wife died first they think Yes, he had dementia. I think yeah, so I don't even know if he knew she was dead They see might have just been wondering maybe just wandered around hungry. Oh boy. I know doesn't matter who you are Oh, yeah, when when the body stops working it doesn't matter how many fucking people love you. It's over Brando was like that like I I love Break because he was just so difficult like you gotta love a guy who's so good at something that people Tolerated he was such a nut he bought an island and moved there just would never acknowledge being a good actor like you I was interview with Connie Chung and she said you're a great actor and his dog is there he goes

He's a better actor. He acts like he loves me because he wants food And his dog is there he goes he's a better actor. He acts like he loves me because he wants food What a great What a good, but he meant it like you knew he wasn't like some fucking douchey poser like he was really this guy Well, that's why he was so good, but he was also good before anybody was good He was the first actor that was like acting like a real person. Yes in movies Whereas like every other actor was like hey stay away from my girl See I can't watch old stuff and look I'll acknowledge. I stink I know I stink so I can't judge other people's I'm not gonna judge James Cagney or fucking right Cagney's a good example But I you watch them and you're like they were so like Victor mature

Yeah, Tommy. Why don't you cut it out Tommy? Yeah, and then you see brand-new. I can't watch the old stuff It's just yeah theater acting or something right on film he was the first guy that figured out how to be real in a film and James Dean did it as well and a bunch of other people now, you know, there's a lot of people that do it but Nobody had figured it out. But again, it goes back to that thing where this was a completely new medium, right? Right. It didn't really exist before him. You know, he was like one of the very first movie stars that figured out how to do it correctly. But there weren't a lot of wasn't a long history of movie stars. It was a fairly new thing.

Yes. And I've seen footage of his his screen test for Streetcar Named Desire. And like you Stanley walks into the kitchen and he's just talking he's talking in a stala Oh, no, it might be Stella and he's just moving and grabbing stuff and you watching him and you're like I would never have the confidence In it to just touch and well, I want to see that behave. Can you find that screen test from streetcar named desire? Is that it right there? Hey, let's listen. Oh, yeah headphones. Yes And this is even different to what I was they the one I think it was in the kitchen Maybe it's part of the same one Here is just putting a cigarette out in a fucking bottle yeah hold on go back to that yeah action

You can hear me and I told you to hush up. Cut it printed, that's all. So this is actually real footage though. Yeah, and this is different than the one, but it's interesting to see these are outtakes. Action. Hey, stop! You can hear the camera. Yeah. But even the way she's looking at him looks old-school compared to what he's doing, right?

She's looking at him in a very strange way that doesn't feel like Right doesn't feel real. It feels like she knows she's in a movie. Yeah Good good-looking guy back. Oh, it was a fucking put a pussy machine He fucked them all too, and they just he didn't like the fact that he's good-looking So he became a blimp. Just ate ice cream. How do you not love that guy? He got so big during Apocalypse Now they had to fill him in the shadows.

And he wouldn't acknowledge that because they were trying to make it like Kurtz had gotten fat and like was living the life of and he wouldn't do it. Just sat there in the shadows. Yeah, what a fucking nut. But you know again it's just there wasn't a lot of people like that How do you not Go crazy. He's the only guy and I can't watch Shakespeare. I mean, I know he was the great I just can't watch him and I watched him doing I think he played Mark Anthony or Julius Caesar and

Watching him do Shakespeare it like you felt like he's really saying these, like you know what I mean? It always feels so British, you know? What's Hawke's Wind of Blak? It just doesn't feel connected to the person. And I watched him, I'm like, this is like a real guy actually saying this. So he's the only person I've ever been to watch do Shakespeare.

Yeah, there's an art. There's a real art to acting. It's just done badly so often that we hate most actors. Yeah, and it's hard to do. And again, there's very few things I give my credit self credit for but I do get myself credit for recognizing my limitations Yeah in that area. It's been easy to recognize and people have pointed it out, but I understand it It's also not an area that you really concentrated on nor were you drawn to it, you know, right? So when you're doing it, you're like, how am I doing this?

It's like if you get Tom Hanks to do stand-up and when he did punchline, it was fucking terrible It was why because he wasn't really doing stand-up, you know, he's an actor But if you wanted to be an actor if that was your thing, you'd probably great at it Do you know who was I saw they were shooting some of the will our net? I mean Bradley Cooper just directed a movie at the Comedy Cellar. Is that him? Yeah 29 years old here 53 The noble Brutus has told you Caesar was ambitious

if it was so it was a grievous fault and Grievously have Caesar answered it Here on the leave of Brutus and the rest Brutus is an honorable man So are they all, all honorable men. Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral. He was my friend, faithful and just to me. But Brutus says he was ambitious, and Brutus is an honorable man. He hath brought many captives home to Rome whose ransoms did the general coffers spill.

Did this and Caesar seem ambitious? When did the poor hath cried Caesar hath wept? Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. Yet Brutus says he was ambitious, and Brutus is an honorable man. You all did see that on the loop of Calypse, Rice presented him a kingly clown, which he did Rice refuse. Was this ambition? Yet Brutus said he was ambitious and sure he is an honorable man. I still know what the fuck he's talking about. Yeah, I don't know either, but I believe him.

It's powerful. Yeah, he's locked in. He's locked in, man. He's really, he understands fuck he's talking about. Yeah, I don't know either, but I believe him. It's powerful. He's locked in He's locked in man. He's really he understands what he's saying. Yeah, he understands the words He's right. I'm just living the words. Yes in his head He believes it when he's saying it and that's that that's like the Daniel Day Lewis thing Yes, when he's playing that crazy guy and there will be blood. Oh Believes it I drank your milk It's real or when he's in he's locked in craziest part of that movie is when he's sitting there with the kid

And he's petting the boy's head at one point. It's supposed to be his son Yeah And I'm like as an actor to touch a kid like even though you're acting he was petting this boy like the way you would pet Your son like it was like he's so comfortable and so in this yeah You really believe this is his son It was ago that was that stuck out for me like the level of comfort you need on a set to do that Cuz I've been on a set with a kid there Everybody's like make sure you don't curse bigger and this guy didn't give a fuck

He just picks the kid up and starts petting his head boy He's gotta be that guy and you know he would be he's a method guy so to be that guy for months Have you met him? No. No, I haven't either. Gary Oldman I like a lot, which is not exactly a stretch. Gary Oldman I think is one of the most versatile. Have you seen Slow Horses? No.

It's an Apple show, it's really good. It's a spy show, he plays a spy. Oldman or Daniel Dillis? Oldman. It's a new show. Oh, no. It's really good. I haven't watched anything on Apple. Like I I tried to watch the morning show, but I didn't love it Do you see Severance Severance is great season one? I loved yes He's into it got a little weird it got it almost got a little weird like the way lost did where they were doing

Things to serve the kind of show that they were right, but I didn't I'm like, what does this mean? Like this is just crazy and weird, but they're just doing it like to be, again, I watched it and I probably will watch season three, but season one I liked more. Yeah, season one was better. I think there's some shows like that where the concept is so out there,

it really has like a finite amount of time where you're allowed to like maintain that. Yes, and then it just becomes, we have to get to season again like lost yeah Lost is the best example because first season it was fucking great It was and the backstory telling like I look at the writing in that and again it was TV They only had a certain amount of leeway they could do either their backstory stuff was great the writing on you know John Locke And on on Kate and all these people these the way they would tie in their back stories I thought was brilliant but then the way they ended I was like fuck you know everyone complained about it but I'm like they missed

what they should have done. You know what's a great fucking story or a great show rather? Mobland. Have you seen Mobland on Paramount? Who is rec somebody it was either Colin or Bobby was recommending Mobland. It's fucking great. Is it? It's fucking great. It's a Guy Ritch Mobland. It's fucking great. Is it? It's fucking great. It's a Guy Ritchie show.

It's fucking great. Who's shit? Tom Hardy. Ah. Pierce Bronson plays the old mobster. He's fucking amazing in it. You think of Pierce Brosnan, you think like a kind of a campy James Bond.

Yes. Not in this fucking movie. Really? He plays a maniac, like acold maniac, and it's great Do you see footage of Tom Hardy? I just saw footage of him still like submitting someone. Oh, yeah, he's good black belt, right? No, no, no, he's not black. Why's that? I think he might be a purple belt Is he a purple belt or is it blue belt? He competes though? I know I just saw footage of him He's all fucked up now. His neck's fucked up his knees are fucked up

Purple belt purple belt. He's legit man. legit man yeah he's legit I've watched him compete yeah I was like okay and like Zuckerberg Zuckerberg's legit he's real he gets in tournaments he's very competitive guy I've seen footage of guys worth 200 billion dollars it's kind of crazy to enter into a local jujitsu match and you know risk getting spiked on your head by a plumber Some plumber who's also a blue belt fucking you know suplexes you on your skull And he recognizes you and his fucking account just got banned. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's been posting QAnon memes Let me see you anything. It's destiny And by the way, you wear him he wore a mask up until the time he's about to compete so they don't know they're gonna get yes

Zuckerberg until he's in there with them, which is really a mind. It's kind of a huge disadvantage to the opponent Yeah, like what because especially if you've never been around a famous person before right and now all of a sudden you have to end You're also an amateur because he's an amateur. Yeah, so you're all like what you're probably like blown Oh, it's maybe the first time you've ever competed too, and you're competing against Zuckerberg Oh, it's it's it but he's he's a blue belt too, right? I believe so and let's what belt is Zuckerberg Zuckerberg brings in legit people though. Like he trains with very very legit Bokanofsky. I know his training with him I know he's around Alex Star Bender. Yeah, Pereira Yeah, he brings in like Dave Camarillo who's a top-level Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. He brings him him

Yeah, he's legit man. He blew his knee to real. Yep Taurus ACL he Wind up getting but I try to talk him out of the type of surgery that he got he got the difficult surgery Which is a patellar tendon graft. I've had both my ACLs reconstructed and my left one was a patellar tendon graft. My right one was cadaver. And the cadaver was so much easier to recover from. And I told him I'm like, dude, get the cadaver. Trust me. And his doctor wanted to do the patellar tendon. He wanted to doing that. It's a long rehab with the patellar tendon. But

you know, the fact that he blew his knee apart and still kept training is pretty impressive as well. Yeah, and I'm in that place too like where I have inflammation. I'm just trying to get healthy. I've been seeing some guy, I don't know if I need surgery, but I'm getting MRIs, getting insurance to approve MRIs. It's the fucking nightmare. But I want to get my ankle, my hip, my knee. I'm all fucked up. What's wrong? I've been fucked up for years. I've had like, my leg goes numb. My right leg was going numb in my thigh I never get your back looked at I did I have to get I get I'm trying to get approval for the MRI for that But they I twisted my ankle very badly a few times. Uh-huh. How long you in town for? I'm supposed to come tomorrow. Okay, what time tomorrow? When's your flight first thing first like oh

I might be able to get you in a ways to well this afternoon Ways to wells the local stem cell clinic they'll they'll shoot you shoot you up stem cells that'll fucking help everything does it help oh Tremendously tremendously where do they shoot tremendously right into injury? Yeah, I got back I got I'm a fuck it, but I but I feel better now I've been doing these stretches like that the guy that my my physical therapist recommended and I'm going to someone who's he gave me some anti inflammatory pills for a week, and I feel a tremendous difference Be careful with those what do they do well? It depends on what you're taking if you're taking a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory the terrible for your gut your gut biome

It destroys your gut by okay. It could be really bad. It can actually make inflammation. Like my friend Cam Haynes, he was taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen every day. And I talked to him about it. I go, what? You're doing what? And then I sent him some stuff that Ron DePatrick had put out about it. I'm like, dude, get off of that.

He got off of it, all his pain went away. The inflammation was being caused by the fact that he was taking so much ibuprofen, it was ruining his gut biome, so it was creating inflammation. So to combat that inflammation, he was taking ibuprofen. And he thought the only way he was going to be able to run the miles that he was running was to constantly chew on ibuprofen. So he got off of it entirely, all the pain went away. Totally counterintuitive.

Yeah. I've only been on these, he said one week is all he goes I don't want you to take what is it? What do you don't remember? But he goes I just want to see if it he's trying to see like how severe the injuries I want to see if this does help at all But he goes take him he get him to me for a month because don't take them for more than a week So I like the fact that he's showing restraint he's like the thing is doctors have a limited amount of tools if you want to

prescribe medication to somebody, you know, whatever the, you know, whatever the common practice is, is what that doctor has to adhere to. They can't step out of line. And the reality is, a lot of that stuff has side effects. But there's natural ways that you could deal with inflammation, like curcumin, turmeric, there's a lot of different, you know, that stuff. That helps a lot. That's legit. And it's not bad for you. But a lot of inflammation comes from diet. A lot of it. A big factor. Like I remember, I talked to this lady who was a physical therapist and I had a neck issue and she was like, you kind of be amazed if you cut out all the inflammatory foods of your diet

How much it would affect it? I'm like really she's like yeah I mean you probably do have a neck injury, but I guarantee it's exacerbated by the foods You're eating she said cut out bread cut out sugar and see if it has an effect You know I've tried to because I fattened up And I know it like I put weight on and the real again for me. It was a dopamine thing I'm not doing the things I used to do right so you need something to do that just like give me a sandwich something. Yeah, you know what I'm gonna do Oh, I know that's all right. That's my bane of my existence a fucking pretzel like it really is It's not like I'm eating pizza. I'm not eating cake all that shit is

Terrible sourdough pretzels I all that shit so I our bread is fucked and Our bread is so fucked if you go and I'm sure you've been overseas, you go eat bread in Italy, you don't feel bad at all. No, it's not as bad. We're fucking poisoned. Also, I'll play this thing, because Brian Simpson sent me this, and it's very good. Hold on, let me see, let me show you right here. But it's all about bread.

Brian Simpson sent me this, and he's like, I think I'm done with bread. And I was like Oh my god, like this is kind of crazy Do I need my glasses? No, no, no, I'll put it up on the screen. I'm gonna find it though cuz he sent it to me Here it is Copy sent to Jamie Here it is. It won't matter if there's World War 3, but if there's not World War 3, I'll probably

stay away from bread. American bread. I mean, eat sourdough bread. Sourdough bread is fucking great for you, but play this from the beginning so we can... This guy's gonna explain what's wrong with American bread. Explain to me why I can eat bread in Spain and in, I can eat in Greece, Italy, no problem. Why, I was gluten free in 15 years I've been gluten free

in Canada, America, can't eat it. That's because in America what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done with the grain. About 200 years ago, we started stripping the bran and germ or the fiber in nutrients to make flour shelf stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority

of the population can't even metabolize. Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas and the bread didn't rise enough so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate which is banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fog, tired, and blame gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat.

The real issue is ultra processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin filled wheat, soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread, this is. Who is that dude? What's his name? Danny Durer? Click on his so we could give that guy some props.

Dennis Echo Burger. Echo Barger. Echo barger echo barger Danny Denny D NNY underscore Dur e on Twitter and Instagram Do you know I will never as I'm watching him do that I will never be able to do anything into camera as well as He just described how shitty bread is like I was watching him doing like he's getting all the words proper. He's fucking he's giving the information He's not blinking. He's not twitch. He's just not annoying. He's not annoying. Yeah, he's just giving it to you Perfect delivery, but that should be something that everybody should see when I know that when I cut that stuff out of my diet

It makes a giant difference also I should say Joe DeRosa who has this amazing sub shop in New York and he's gonna open up one out here in Austin Oh nice Joey Roses Fantastic sub shop. Their wheat is all Flown from Italy. It's all like natural wheat Ah Yeah, and so their bread doesn't fuck with you and they they make it fresh every day and they throw it out at the end

Of the day. You never have day old bread. It's always fresh and they throw it out at the end of the day you never have day-old bread It's always fresh and they bake it there So it's like when he's getting bread for his sandwiches. It's the kind of bread that you get in Europe Do you know I think I have to think you're right because there was one time we had DeRosa on the show It was the morning show and he didn't bring us any sandwiches. I'm like wait. Where's the fucking sandwiches Joe? How about a sandwich he couldn't eat? That's what he said Yeah, and I was like fuck him cuz then he did chip And he brought in sandwiches, but we taped in the afternoon Yeah, I'm like he was telling the truth the rose was telling the truth about his bread

Yeah, when they had a pop-up out here at South by Southwest and he brought over sandwiches. They were fantastic That's when they are very good unbelievably good. That is my number one My if I have a vice it is Italian Italian food. My big vice is Italian sandwiches, Italian subs, pasta, lasagna, that stuff gets me. I fucking love it. But you have to get it from a place that's using heirloom wheat. And you can find places. There's a lot of great restaurants in New York, there's great restaurants in LA that use heirloom wheat, and you'll eat their pasta and you don't feel bad. Most of the bread that you're getting in America is like what that guy described, and that's

why you feel like shit when you eat it. Yeah, I feel like shit most of the time, especially like just always tired. I finally got, whatever, it's the apnea, it's a fucking, you know, an old man complaining. I just, I can't breathe when I sleep, it sucks. Have you tried a carnivore diet? You ever try that? No, and I know that my fear of eating too much meat is probably unfounded, but I've, no, I've done Whole30,

which actually I shed weight. What's your fear? What's the fear of eating too much meat? Just that it, like, does cancer feed on meat? No. Like, that's what I was always afraid of. No, cancer feeds on sugar. Okay. Yeah like that's what I was always afraid of cancer feeds on sugar Okay. Yeah, that's the really the number one thing that cancer oncologists will tell you

When they if they're trying to adjust your diet some don't and it's very infuriating I've had family members that have cancer and their doctor tells them you're gonna go through chemotherapy eat whatever you want I'm like, oh my god, don't eat whatever you want. Like part of what is wrong with you is your diet. It's a giant part of your overall metabolic health. But a lot of oncologists now will try to get people on a ketogenic diet because it gets your body to burn fat instead of burning sugar and then it starves the cancer. They're also, they'll try to get you to do some some fasting like intermittent

fasting like have a window of feeding where you fast for 16 hours and then eat for eight or you can only eat during eight. The keto diet. I never did it. But this is what a delusional idiot I am when I was in Montreal during the pandemic. I joined Costco and I would go and eat keto chocolates. I somehow convinced myself that I was Keto, but I wasn't doing the rest of the fucking diet, right? But they have some actually good shit you can eat if you're on the keto diet I guess you're doing it right. Yeah, but I would go there and buy all these delicious like keto chocolate clusters So yeah that one I heard it gives you bad breath keto. That was what I've heard again

I just I don't remember where I heard it, but they were like there's something about ketosis Fucks your breath up. I bet it does yeah I bet it does but just brush your fucking teeth and have a mint was it coming from the gut though Yeah, probably is it's probably ketones ketones smell terrible. Have you ever taken an exogenous ketones? I've never even I've heard of ketones What's an exogenous ketone you can take exogenous ketones? It's ketones that you drink and it puts your body into an instant state of ketosis where your body instantly starts to burn fat And actually is really good mentally I like I take exogenous ketones sometimes when I have to perform or I have to do something

So I've taken them before UFC's too. UFC's are like the big mind fuck for me because it's six hours of thinking Yes, and I have to think about previous fights, I have to like predict techniques, I have to see what's going on, and then when it goes to the ground, it's kinda like my job is to explain particular submissions when it goes to the ground, especially in the early days before I did it with DC,

because I was the only, like when it was me and Goldberg, Goldberg's not really a martial artist, so it it was just me so I would have to go like explain why someone's in trouble and what's gonna happen Yeah, someone who's doesn't understand like a triangle or something like that when someone goes to the ground and You need brain fuel and so Ketones help a lot another thing is like I eat these gum. These are gummies now alpha brain gummies But I always take some type of nootropic Neuro gum or this neuro gum has mints to I'll take these mints like if you see me at the UFC I'll have those I take these little

nicotine pouches What I call the anything pins are they what's it what they called? There's a word for those little nicotine. Oh Pins, what are they called? There's a word for those, little nicotine. I don't know, pouches? Zin, that's what I'm thinking of, yeah. Zin, yeah, these are different.

These are from a company called Lucy. These are called Breakers. Are those, do those have THC in them? No, no, no, no, it's just nicotine. This is all just nicotine. No, I mean those, the gummies. No, no, the gummies are just nootropics. Nootropics are like theanine,

there's like a little bit of caffeine in these, and they, like one of the things we did with Onnit, we made this thing called alpha brain, which was, there's a bunch of different nootropics out there and a bunch of like acetylcholine, a bunch of different things that have shown to have an effect on your memory. And so we put together a group of these that would all work synergistically, and then we did two double-blind placebo-controlled trials at Boston Center for Memory. And it showed efficacy. It showed that it helped increase verbal memory, which is like your ability to form sentences and recall the correct words to use reaction time Alpha state and so it's like it does work and it's not just on it because I'm connected to it like I have no Connection at all to neuro gum or neuro mints right, but it works and I tell people about it There's another company called true brain. That's really good. There's another company called neuro one

That was the first one that I ever tried. that's a that's bill romanowski the football player oh yeah he developed that because he's a memory problems after getting fucking hit in the head for all those years playing football didn't I as far as I've ever gone what was that pill you it's not echinacea there was one pill you were taking it was supposed to be good for memory it was like one of those things you get on the fucking shelf on the vitamin store and I don't remember what it was but I used to take that but I didn't see any hmm I was taking in? No me, I said the collective you. I don't know but there's a bunch of those things they're real like

nootropics it's a real thing and a lot of people call it snake oil and I understand I understand that you'd be very suspicious but there's a the real and this is one of the reasons why you know like I have a connection obviously to on it we found the company together know, like I have a connection obviously to Onnit. We founded the company together, but I don't have any connection to Neurobrain or NeuroOne. Take them. They work. There's real legitimate solutions that help your brain function, and they don't seem to carry any side effects.

Some people, if they take high doses of some of them, get headaches. I think that's probably just like, some people react very badly to caffeine. Some people react, you know, it's like, everybody has their own different biological stuff, but try it. And the gum is a great one. Neuro gum is great because it's a delicious gum.

It tastes good and it really works, man. I take it all the time. It helps your brain a little bit. Oh yeah, I take it before I go on stage. I chew neuro gum before I go on stage. It's very legit. Do you know what I wanted to take? Jamie's got a big bag of it right there.

And again, we're not connected to them. This is just stuff that works. I wanted to take, because flying became such a, again, a fear for me again. In this phase of my life, I don't fucking need that. So I talked to Whitney, and she had talked about beta blockers. I didn't take them.

But I got, do they help at all to like But I have a low heartbeat anyway So I don't know if it's gonna fuck me up to take a beta blocker But I made a blockers stop you from getting anxious right stop adrenaline They still have a lot of people they get busted using them and like archery competitions a lot They they ban them sure because you know like you're like in the Olympics And you're just trying to hit that bullseye every time like any kind of nerves or jitters gonna fuck with you but you know the problem is it's gonna be something that

you get you get addicted to or you maybe not even physically addicted but you you know you become dependent that's what I don't want I think I've asked they said they weren't but I for flying it's something I like I literally have to fight to do yeah. Yeah, I'm getting a little bit better, but I anxiety I'm a fucking I'm a grown-up. I have to sit by the window and look at the wing and I'm really hateable on a plane Fucking six in the morning, but it's trying to sleep and I get my fucking fat face pressed up against a window staring at me So I'm trying to get out of there.

Well there are things, you know what's another thing that's really good for your cognitive function that a lot of people aren't aware of is creatine. And creatine is really good particularly if you are sleep deprived. Like there's a study that they did that showed that if you take, I think it's 20 milligrams of creatine, it has a really positive effect on your ability to maintain normal cognitive function while you're sleep deprived. Really? Yeah. I've heard of it.

It's also very good for women. Creatine is especially good supplement for women to take for some strange reason. But it's a muscle building supplement. It's really good for helping you gain muscle mass and strength if you were weight training. That was what it was initially used for. But now they're realizing there's a lot of cognitive benefits to creatine as well. Yeah, I don't take any of that stuff.

I probably should at this point. I take creatine every day. I take nothing other than just the little thing from my heart. You don't take vitamins? No. Oh God. I know, I probably should. I take nothing other than just like like my the little thing for my heart, and you know you don't take vitamins no Oh, I know I probably should like everything I take B I do take B And I take one other one you should take D for sure you live in New York City

You know you're probably not getting enough sun no definitely yeah D is huge because D is a hormone D is actually a hormone And it's a hormone that your body produces when you get into the sun. The best way to get vitamin D, for sure, is to be in the sun. But if you're not in the sun enough, one of my friends who's a doctor was in New York City when he was doing his residency, and he said they would do tests on people in New York City, and they found that they had undetectable levels of vitamin D in the winter. And he was like, you know, this has a huge effect on your immune system. This is the reason why people get, like everyone's,

oh, it's flu season. No, it's lack of vitamin D season is what it is. The flu doesn't thrive in the winter. The flu exists in the winter because people have a low immune system in the winter, and then they start catching it and giving it to other people. But it's really a function of your immune system not working properly.

So you need D, and you should take D with K2, vitamin K2, and magnesium. They all work synergistically together. I'll remember, like, Harlan, I will text you and ask you the same question, like, what are those things? That's okay. Text me. I'll tell you. But you should take that, but you should also take B. You should take B12.

You should take C. C is huge. You can't take enough of it or you can't take too much right C is great I could take liposomal C. It's really good for you Yeah, you know as you get older man, you start thinking like yeah, these things are starting to affect me now a little bit not terrible I'm still in pretty good health, but You start to panic and start to think how old you know 56. I'm 57 I'm almost 58 and My body works great and it's really because of that. It's just as a huge effect I don't skip days and when I do I feel it, you know

But I try not to and I have a whole cabinet filled with right moments that I take You know, I take a lot of vitamins. My buddies never work great though. So it's not Drop-off. Well, that's the problem You know, I take a lot of vitamins. My buddies never work great though, so it's not like I don't see any real drop off. Well that's the problem. You know, if you're working out and you're doing all these different things and you want your body to function better, just force yourself to do it. Get your wife to like make you little packets. It's real simple.

You know, just lay all the stuff. I need two of these, three of these, one of those. Put it all in a pack. This is methylfolate. Put that in there. This is...folate, put that in there. This is, and all that stuff has a giant effect on your health. It is, you want your body to function optimally.

And what I notice the difference is when I eat poorly, when I don't get enough sleep, and when I don't take supplements, I get that. I quit drinking like three months ago. Little more than three months ago. Like nothing, you're not drinking at all? I haven't drank anything in three months. little more than little more than three months like nothing You're not drinking. I haven't drank anything in three months. I feel great. Was it hard? No, it was super easy Yeah, it was really you already. Yeah

I was like I just there was too many days where it's kind of hard when you own a club and you're there a lot And you know, you're having drinks with friends and they want to drink. Yeah, I'll have a drink and then the next day I'd be at the gym. I'm like, you want a drink? Yeah, I'll have a drink. And then the next day I'd be at the gym. I'd be like, ugh. I'd feel like shit. I'd be drinking all this water and taking all these electrolytes and getting a sauna and the cold plunge, just trying to get back to normal.

I'm like, why am I doing that? Well, in the three months of no drinking, I have not had one bad day. I have not had one day where I felt like shit. And it just confirmed what I thought. I was poisoning myself. Poisoning myself with fun. I was having a good time.

I was, you know, it wasn't terrible. I wasn't an alcoholic. I wasn't drinking and driving or anything stupid. But it was a couple of drinks, a few nights a week. Maybe I'd go out with my wife on date night, have a couple glasses of wine. It was just, at the end of the week, it's like you're drinking eight drinks. And that just not good it's just not good for you I

can't imagine drinking and doing comedy like I can I quit before I started I see guys who are like like I can't I was not a fun drunk at all I was a fucking The fucking worst no one liked me So I would you're like 19 18 18 yeah, you're not even supposed to be drinking back I know and people like it's oh he was too young he's thinking but it's like I know again now Jimmy Oh, did people love but they wouldn't like me. I was a cutter. I mean who the fuck a 56 year old cutter I mean how awful is that? That's awful So I was it's the best thing I did because I was I was not a fun guy to be around some guys are fun They sound like when Anthony drinks. He's you know times. I wish his fucking Twitter fingers were broken But I wish we'd lock his fucking phone, but he is a funny like he's not

Usually an angry drunk right it's functional. He's a functional guy. I was never functional. I was vomit I was the phone. I should call the FBI fucking You know I said a call bomb threats in my high school. I was fucking crazy boy. I called I Can say now I mean I called a threat into the White House. I thought I was 13 I was 13 and 13 and so crazy what a crazy thing to do the Ku Klux Klan I called the fuck Because I was like a little lib Jimmy and I read that there was a clan book I read and the guy was like a preacher for the coolness clan

So I called him I looked his number up on 411 back then it was the early 80s Wow, and I got his name and I called him I was are you fucking racist and he actually talked to me and he was like, oh I got out of the clan I'm not in that anymore. We actually had a convert. He actually engaged me For about 20 minutes. I had a conversation with it with some clear kid. I was 14 years old 15 years old Midday again, that's I remember calling for information. I forget what's for him for doing that. Yeah for getting out Yeah, got it getting out and talking to you about that on the phone He didn't have to talk to you about that. He could have just hung up

I'm surprised you that because many people did many I was if I was a fixed the world on the phone Thank God. I did a fuck. Do you know Darryl Davis is no Darryl? Davis's guys been on the podcast a couple times and he's a blues musician. Is he black? Yes Okay, and he's the guy that would convert the clan members. I know who he is, yeah. And he gets their costumes. They give him their wizard costumes at the end. He's just, because he's probably a guy who's not, and I have seen stuff by him, he probably is just a good guy and it's hard to dismiss him because he's not force-feeding you. Exactly. It's hard to

dismiss anybody when you're just, when you're not, no one wants to be messaged at. Right. Right, right, right. I don't, I can't, in stand up I can't even do it. Like my job is not to convert people. I want you to know what my life is. I hope you have some respect for it. Like I'm just living the way I want to live. Yeah. And I'm not out to tell other people they have to feel this way. Right. Because no one wants to be messaged at. Nobody. It doesn't work. It's not effective. It's if it was effective I probably don't effective is what Darrell does he just shows you like this is a good man I must be wrong if I think that all black people are evil right this guy's Like become a good friend you have them over for dinner, and then the guys like I'm telling you right now

I'm getting out of the clan because of you And he did it like two hundred different people on a one-on-one basis. Where he gets to know them. And getting beyond, it's like we talked about before, like anytime somebody is an asshole publicly, but when you meet them and you realize, oh, there's a person here, like... It's the way people are supposed to communicate. And this is what I think is so terrible about social media. Too many people just become so accustomed to barking at people, just barking out into the abyss. Yeah, I have to stop myself from doing it. there's been times people have tweeted something and I want

to make like a country remark and I'm like shut up dummy they're not talking to you exactly mind your fucking business I really do say that to myself mind your business you fucking hen you know when I see people do it I think that guy's mentally ill like you're engaging with these people you're yelling at these people on Twitter you're mentally ill yeah like I don't care what other people like I care people think about me in the sense that I want them to think I'm funny and I want them to, of course we all want to be liked, but I don't care what people's opinions on the Middle East are, I don't give

a shit. You're not going to change their opinions. And I don't need them to agree with mine, like I have enough confidence in my own brain that I am not always right, but I'm always comfortable in my opinions and I'm not afraid of somebody, I'm okay being wrong too. Like I don't need I don't I don't need the power of agreement from somebody it's just good for you but it's only cuz I've tried it my life it hasn't worked right it doesn't make you happy when you get it no it only makes you angry it doesn't work it's not it's a terrible way to communicate yeah it is Jimmy I

love you to death I love you Joe thank you. It's great to see you. Yes, sir And can I tell everybody yes the specialist called? Unconceivable I kept forgetting the name and it's not a misspelled the unconceivable is actually a word in English language And it does kind of fit and the podcast is Jim Norton can't save you both are on at Jim Norton comedy at YouTube And I'm really happy with the special like nice. I would say that anyway I'm not gonna come up here and shit on my own special not that self-destructive but I actually really was happy with this beautiful so I hope you like it all right thanks bye everybody