The Joe Rogan Experience - #2349 - Danny Jones

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

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The Joe Rogan Experience Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day! It's so fucking weird to be sitting here, bro. Is it? So strange. I feel like I've been the son of a video game observer and now I'm in the video game. Are we on? Yeah.

You kind of are. I it's weird it's weird for me You know, yeah, bro. Well, thanks for thank you for being like the number one promoter of my YouTube channel over the past My pleasure it's great stuff man, I watch it all the time you're really good Man, I appreciate that and I get good guests from your show Like there's couple of people that have been on your show that I've had on my show. Yeah. Yeah. Chris Dunn was the first dude, I think. And then you recently had Mary Bowden, and a few others. Yeah. Yeah. Christopher Dunn, man, that was a wild one. And now that they found these structures

underneath the pyramid, it's kind of validating a lot of the things these people are saying. There's a lot of controversy about what those structures are and what it means and how accurate the readings are. But they do know that those satellite images were able to show very accurately this one tomb that was 50 feet underground. And it showed the dimensions of this one tomb. So I don't know what the capabilities are are if it really can decipher what's under two kilometers of you know, whatever is underneath Giza, but there's something going on for sure.

Yeah, I had a dude on my show a couple weeks ago who is explaining how that was a part of some YouTube channel that put something together in Italy, I think it was. And the people that were involved with it were promoting some sort of technology that had something to do with penetrating the ground some like different kind of LIDAR or something like this. It's what is it called something tomography? Yeah yeah yeah. Jamie see what it's called but these guys just did another explanation of it like another deep dive where they did like this presentation and showed it it's very convincing like there's a lot of people that are 100% on board I mean of it, like another deep dive where they did this presentation and showed it.

It's very convincing. There's a lot of people that are 100% on board. I mean, it remains to be seen. It has to be vetted. But according to some people that I trust that really understand the technology, they said there's absolutely something there. Whether or not, the problem is they made thosed Detailed images of what it looked like like sort of an artist rendition and you looked at those and it's got like the coils and The spirals like yeah, it looks a little too much. I don't know what that is

You could see there are coils around those columns, but what are they are they stairs? Is it a like a coil that generates like an energy coil like something that conducts electricity or carries electricity like what is it? It's a solid-state electron harvester. Is that what they say? That's what Chris Dunn says. Oh. I don't know. I don't know. Have you talked to him about what's underneath? Yeah he thinks that it was uh he thinks that the whole thing his new book which is called the Tesla connection basically explains that it's a he thinks that there was like a device in the subterranean chamber, like a hammer

that hammered the earth. And then the plane, the Giza Plateau is like, is active, seismically active area. And when it hammers the earth, it creates many earthquakes. You're familiar with this, right? Right. And it vibrates all the limestone. All the limestone, and it's got like this hammer,

this effect, it dom dom dom. And it creates some sort of a vibration in the granestone all the limestone. It's got like this hammer this effect They don't don't don't and it creates some sort of a vibration in the granite and the limestone. Yeah, okay Overcome this uh authors analyze micro movements within the pyramid typically induced by background seismic waves to achieve high resolution full 3d tomographic images of its interior imaging of its interior and subsurface the approach rendered the pyramid Transparent allowing for the reconstruction of internal objects and the discovery of previously unseen structures Mmm, so if it's got an act if it works and shows the actual internal structure of the pyramid Accurately and it can accurately depict that one The one was it a temple or what was it that was feels it I feel like it was a temple that was 50 feet underground it had the exact interior dimensions of it yeah there's probably something to

it and we're gonna find out eventually hopefully you think I don't know man these guys like like guys like Zowie hawass and these gatekeepers of this information. They do not want any Groundbreaking new discovery to come out. They really don't Especially something like that if you really find out there's giant columns underneath the pyramid and that there's these structures that go down two kilometers into the ground like All bets are off then like try explaining that away for people that live 2500 BC. Like that's kind of kooky.

Yeah, I mean, you know, the mystery of the pyramids and you know, moving those blocks and building that fucking thing that long ago is crazy on one hand, but then on the other hand, those fucking granite vases that are so precise within like the deviation of a human hair. Yeah, this is a 3D print of one of them that Christopher Dunn gave me.

Yeah, it's insane. It's insane. They measured these on light scanners at a huge aerospace corporation somewhere, and they found out it's so symmetrical, you couldn't make this unless you had a CNC machine. Right, and then how would you make the handles? Right, exactly, because it's a part of it.

Right, it's not like you can even turn it on a lathe, right and it's accurate How many thousandths of a human hair? Yeah, I think it's like yeah I think it's like one one thousandth of a human hair like completely undetectable bananas And then there's also some of those Sculptures that they made that look like they're 3d printed. I mean they're incredible perfectly symmetrical on the left side and the right side. And we don't really understand it. And we don't know what technology they were using,

what kind of tools they were using. And it's hard to know, man. It's hard to know. When they burned the Library of Alexandria and they destroyed all the records, there's so much missing from the history of Egypt and how they did what they did Mm-hmm just moving the stuff. How did you move it? How did you move those fucking enormous stones? Like what did you do?

Have you heard of this dude named Jeffrey drum? He has a channel called the land of chem He live he lives in Egypt. He lives like I think right across the street from the pyramids and he's basically got this very interesting theory that it was all chemical manufacturing and the pyramids were chemical manufacturing plants and I am going to like butcher this description but I'm going to do my best. Basically what he found was that in a bunch of the other pyramids like the red pyramid and some of the other pyramids he's been in there and gone through them all. And he's basically, what they describe when they go in there is this smell, which some people equate to being like bat shit. But what he thinks is going on is creating some sort of like a chemical reaction in those

chambers to create fertilizer, because there's a subterranean chamber below those where they have like all kinds of they were putting shit in there like animal shit down there and then there's also these like ravines these like cut out channels that come out of the bottom of the pyramid and there's these bowls that were supposed to collect like chemicals so he has this really elaborate theory on how, which I, when I heard him tell me this, it made so much sense. But the problem was like, it makes sense. It seems super reasonable, but like,

why build these massive structures that are so precise just to make chemicals? And, you know, he was explaining like the agriculture and like why they needed to create fertilizer and, um... Why they need the massive stone structure to create fertilizer. Right, exactly. Isn't it possible that things also had one...

They, like, they built them, and then someone used them later on for different purposes? Isn't that possible as well? I think so. Like, instead of it being built for that, like, maybe they just used it for that eventually? That's possible. Yeah.

But it seems like the way he was describing the interior though of that, of the red pyramid was like he, it was reverse engineered to actually create the chemical that they would have needed to enhance the agriculture of the area. Like they showed it, they actually created it in a lab with like using the chemical process. I think there was like some Nazi scientists involved in this, of course. Of course, the recreation of it.

Yeah, and the recreation. Well, Christopher Dunn's stuff was all about them creating hydrogen, right? Mm-hmm, yeah. That's what he felt, like the whole thing, like it was generating hydrogen, and that's what he thought. The the whole thing, like it was generating hydrogen. And that's what he thought. The whole, those columns that went down,

those passages that went down, and then there was the porous limestone that was at the end that seeped through. And he believed that this was all like some sort of a chemical reaction that they had to doing this. What is here, Jimmy? Oh, the red pyramid was, okay,

built as a power plant to produce ammonia from methane and nitrogen that's what it was hmm Fritz Haber won the Nobel Prize about a century ago yeah the Haber process mm-hmm Fritz Haber's a crazy story you know that story? No. Okay. Fritz Haber he devised a method of extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere. And for that, he was winning a Nobel Prize at the same time in which he was being wanted for war crimes, because he also created Zyklon gas. So he created the gas that they were using to spray on the allies. So they would get this gas and spray it with fans

this is the first time they'd ever done something like this for use gas in warfare and They used and he was a Jew and they used he created Zyklon a Which was then converted to Zyklon B So Zyklon a had a very disgusting smell to it So you knew it was coming and then Zyklon B they used during the Holocaust to gas the Jews and it had no smell So they they yeah, so the thing was initially made as a pesticide. I think that was the initial Here see what says mm-hmm. Oh This is different we're not talking about is about the

how the Egypt thing would have been okay we'll get to that yeah but the Fritz Haber thing you know he was eventually exiled from from Nazi Germany because he was Jewish like they allowed him to stay initially in the beginning because he was so valuable because he had done so much and because he did create this gas that they were using to gas the allies and Then you know but imagine guys up for a Nobel Prize at the same time where he's wanted for war crimes Yeah, yeah and

Because he was doing all this his wife commits suicide. She shoots herself in the chest was doing all this his wife commits suicide she shoots herself in the chest he leaves her and his 13 year old son to go to the front line while she's struggling for her life like she's still alive she eventually dies he leaves her yeah it was the whole thing's horrific and then he dies on the run so he dies I think he had a heart complication which which, duh, how much stress was that guy under? Right, and then he leaves Nazi Germany when the shit is going down, he's on the run and he wants up dying on the run.

I think he was dying on his way to try to seek medical care. Yeah, bro, that, I mean, the story of what those fucking Nazis were doing is bananas. It's insane. You had Annie on here and she talked about what was going on when she tried to interview some of those guys that were still in Germany. I think she tried to interview like the grandson

of one of the dudes that she wrote about. I can't remember his name right now, a dude with like a huge dueling scar on his face. And this guy like wanted nothing to do with his father or whatever. And you know she had these documents that she found when she went to Germany and she was like she I guess she found a bunch of notes or whatever that he wrote to his

son when he came when after he went to America with paperclip and his grant or this was his grandson I think operation paperclip for people listening is they shipped over a bunch of the best Nazi scientists and brought him into NASA and some other departments at the end of the war. And the grandson wanted nothing to do with his father. He like detested him for his father with every fiber of his being and she was showing him the notes and like showing him like the humanity of the guy. The guy was torn between like being this scientist contracted to do all this crazy shit for America, but he still loved his wife and son on the other hand.

And he was like, he was so just torn apart by the fact that he had to leave them behind. And then she showed the dude the documents and then Annie Jacobson fricking high tailed it out of there with all that secret Nazi shit, like didn't get caught. Which is incredible. Oh, it's just wild the stuff they were working on. Like how were they so advanced? like didn't get caught, which is incredible. Oh, it's just wild, the stuff they were working on.

Like how were they so advanced? And why were they so obsessed with the occult? Yeah. You know? It's like all that Indiana Jones stuff, that was kind of legit. Like they were really interested in the occult. Yeah.

Interdimensional aliens. What's Alex thinking about that? Interdimensional child-westers. I haven't talked to him about that. We have talked about Operation Paperclip, but only in regards to like Werner von Braun. And they were in deep denial about that. But the Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if Werner von Braun was alive today, he would be prosecuted. He'd be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. Yeah. When he was running his rocket factory in in Berlin he would take the five slowest Jews and hang them yeah from the front of the factory so that as you're walking in like this is

what happens if you move slowly and that was the head of NASA who supposedly got us to the moon. Speaking of the moon, have you seen that documentary called room 237? Yes, I just watched it last night. Yeah. Yeah fucking banana Yeah, that's bananas the the connections between Kubrick's the shining and the moon landing and all the hidden stuff that he did all the easter eggs Yeah, including the little boy with the NASA shirt on the Apollo shirt 11 shirt on and then the key to the room

237 said room in instead of in o 237. It said room in 237 so you could Bro, I mean I am like, what does that mean? So like if you take the letters are OOM and then N you can come Recombobulate them to say moon. Oh God. Like there's so much dot connecting in that documentary. It's absurd. There's an absurd level of dot connecting that just is unreasonable. But the stuff about the moon though,

like the kid wearing the Apollo 11 shirt, right? The number of the door is the distance from the earth to the moon in miles. Yeah. Thousands of miles. Yeah, I think it's like a thousand miles short. Yeah. And then also the psychological trauma,

the scenes with Jack and his wife saying, don't you know what a contract is? Where he's living his double life, and he's arguing with his wife and talking about contracts and secrecy and all this stuff. And then there's so many weird things and like the ball rolls up to Danny on the carpet and then it cuts and it cuts back to him like picks up the ball and the carpet shape is different

there's so many like strange in there what's that supposed to signify I have no idea it's just like another it's just it either that movie has like an insane level of like continuity errors or he was doing something. Oh, he was probably doing it on purpose. You know, Kubrick in his spare time would do complex mathematics. In his spare time. Yeah, he was like a legitimate genius.

And it's amazing that he pulled off the greatest science fiction movie of all time, especially at the time, during the exact same time period where the moon landings were filmed. And the stuff from 2001 is more sophisticated, looks better than the stuff from the moon landings. So the idea that you couldn't fake it, it's like, that guy could fake it, 100% he could fake it. And if they hired him to fake it, if they brought him aboard, the idea that he wouldn't be able to keep secret, like, of course he could fake it right and if they hired him to fake it if they brought him aboard

The idea that he wouldn't be able to keep secret like of course he could right yeah people keep secrets this idea that people can't Keep secrets because some people can't keep secrets like listen high-level military guys keep secrets all the fucking time They go to the grave with those secrets. Yeah, they swear to secrecy. They swear to an oath You know they have top secret clearance and above and whatever it is and they don't say shit forever. Their whole fucking family doesn't know what they're doing. Yeah, the thing about the, if you think the moon landing was fake, you're a moron. But it's like, the thing about it is, if they, even if you wanna to say they did to go to the moon,

wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest that they would have had a backup plan in case they couldn't get there? Like have some sort of a video footage that they shot or whatever? Well, not only that, they filmed a lot of training footage. They definitely tried to pass some of that training footage off as legit. That's proven. Like the Michael Collins from Gemini, I forget what mission it was, it was a space walk. So there's an image of him that was in training,

and he's got the suit on and the wires, and he's working with the space suit that you use when you're actually outside of you know, outside of the capsule or whatever the fuck they call it. And what they did was from the training mission, they just blacked out the exterior of the same photo and reversed it. So they switched the photo the other way,

blacked, it's the exact same photo, the exact same photo, and they tried to pass it off as Michael Collins on the spacewalk. Because you gotta think, like, how are they taking pictures who's who's gonna take the picture of right there this is part of the problem with I think it was Apollo 12 or 13 whichever one it was where they got the footage of the the lunar module leaving the moon and going back towards the orbiter. And it looks so fake.

It looks so fake. It looks so ridiculous. There's no plumes of fire. It like, how does it have the power? Where's the engine? They use a car batteries, right? On that thing, allegedly. That's what Bart Sabrell says.

It's still one sixth of Earth's gravity. It's still a significant amount of gravity. It's not the same gravity as Earth, but how does that thing like shoot off into space? Like that's nonsense. It looks, it looks like it's being pulled by strings. Yeah. And the camera, which is operated, you know, remotely pans perfectly to catch it. Well, shut the fuck up. But how are you getting that footage? Like, what are you doing? This is 1969. You're on the phone with Richard Nixon from the moon. Are you out of your fucking mind? Is this supposed to be real?

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can live up to two and a half years longer. Head to thefarmersdog.com slash Rogan to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping. This offer is for new customers only. Right in the middle of Operation Paperclip, MK Ultra, the Cold War, all the fucking deception that was going on, all the secrets. They lied about everything. That was the time in history where they probably had the most fucking lies. Vietnam secret. They lied about everything. That was the time in history where they probably had the most fucking lies. Vietnam War, they lied about everything. So the idea that they didn't lie about this one thing,

the moon landing was all 100% legit. Meanwhile, you've got intersecting shadows, you've got all sorts of problems, you've got, the weirdest one is Neil Armstrong's 25th anniversary speech that he gave at the White House. That was so crazy. We have here among us America's best and brightest.

You will achieve great things. Once you reveal some of truth's hidden layers. Once the hidden layers are uncovered. What? How about just say I went to the moon 25 years ago. What is all this cryptic talk? That was the only time you ever did a public talk. I think about it Well, the other thing is the post flight press conference the post flight press conference looks like these guys have a gun to their head

It looks like a hostage video. It looks so weird. Yeah, and people say oh they were nervous They just got back from the moon bro. Look at Katy Perry She she went basically a little bit higher than an, and it was like a life-changing experience. She's holding up a daisy. It was amazing. I feel so connected to Mother Earth. You know, like, these guys would have been ecstatic. The idea that they would have been nervous

as if they'd been forced to lie. They're behaving. Like, behavior experts have looked at that footage and said these guys are being deceptive. Particularly Michael Collins It's also inconsistent things with what he said during the post-flight press conference right after flying in Comparison to his 1994 book change the story right change the story about being able to see the stars They were the stars like he's like

And then in the 1994 book he talks about how amazing they were and incredible. The footage that Sabrel acquired that shows that it appears that they covered up the windows to make this deceptive film that looks like they're far into space, that's a weird one, man, because I can't find any rational explanation. I tried to look at it like as objectively as possible. Cause I've gone back and forth on the moon thing. Like at one point in time,

I thought I'm just being really stupid. Like, of course they went to the moon. Everybody would know about this. And then over to like, I joked about it in my comedy special, like after COVID, I'm like, I don't think we went to the moon, but that's kind of true. Like once I saw the level of deception

that was willfully pushed forth during COVID and how many people were cooperating with this and how many government organizations were cooperating knowing that they lied, knowing that these were lies, I'm like, yeah, they can lie about all kinds of things. And this is today with the internet. Look, where's the Epson files? Can't find them don't exist like they can get away with shit man yeah and the idea that they

couldn't in 1969 shut the fuck up shut the fuck up they could fake that there'd be easier to go to the moon than it would be to fake it shut the fuck up no it wouldn't right not if you physically can't get a human being through the Van Allen radiation belts without them dying They never even flew a chicken through those fucking things and had to come back alive Russia through it flew a dog and it came back and died two days later I think they but they didn't even go to deep space No, there's through the I think they just went into the belt and then did a U-turn bro No one's been close. Have you seen the I'm sure you've seen this the photo of

Jolly West hanging out on the set of 2001 Space Odyssey. No Haven't seen it. No. Oh, that's amazing. I send it on fuck. Yes, send it to Jamie. Oh my god number No, I'm here, but you could probably Google it It's probably yes, if you could find it if you Google it yeah, just Jolly West Stanley Kubrick 2001 Space Odyssey It's a photo of them walking between the sound stages, and it's a wide shot of a bunch of dudes Listen man of course they there's not it. That's not it of course They would contact Kubrick if they wanted to go to the moon and fake it yeah And of course if Kubrick was if you're in the middle of the Cold War, which they were,

which is very terrifying. When I was a kid, when I was in high school, we were terrified of Russia bombing America. Everyone was like really concerned and Russia was the great enemy. The video of Khrushchev yelling, we will bury you, like that was like burned into every American child's mind. And if you were a patriot and you wanted to defeat Russia, we have a strategy to defeat Russia, and this is what we're gonna do. First of all, we're gonna bankrupt them

by just making them spend to keep up with us. And they don't have a capitalist society. So they don't really have a GDP. Well, they have a GDP, but they don't have the same sort of corporate structure that we have in America where they're striving and innovating and developing new things, and the companies

are getting bigger and there's more growth. No, they're communist, they're a communist country. So everything was like food lines, and they didn't have the kind of money that we have. It wasn't even close. So Reagan essentially bankrupted them. And then during the time, and all the other people money that we have. It wasn't even close. So Reagan essentially bankrupted them. And then, you know, during the time, and you know, all the other people before him as well, but

during the time where they were developing these, these rocket ships, the Russians were way more advanced than us. And basically every single thing, they got to space first, put the first man in space, put the first satellite in space and they couldn't even come close to putting a put a guy In the moon. Yeah, it's amazing. It's it's uh, it's incredible also that There was never another nuke that was sent to anybody after that after fat man little boy. Yeah, that's incredible It's really it is really insane to think about sometimes. Yeah, that's one of the great achievements of human beings We did it once and we said let's not do that again Annie's book about nuclear war scared the living shit out of me, bro

Yeah, it's a good one how she said that we have 11 interceptor missiles in the u.s. That's it a total I think it I think it's 11 or maybe 22 or no, it's 44 for Russia has 5,000 missiles Yeah, yeah And the problem with it is like if a rogue nuke got launched from North Korea from one of their submarines, it would have to fly over the North Pole, right, towards us. And as soon as they launch it with all of our satellite systems that we can detect the thing, the rocket burner, like going into orbit, we'll know within five minutes of them

launching it, probably before. And then we literally have to, I guess the way she described it was, our policy is once that nuke is launched, we have to empty our silos, our ICBM silos, because they're stationary. They can't, if they're hit, they're gonna try to take us out at those ICBM sites. Those are gonna be like one of their first targets. So it's user or loser, you have to launch

all those ICBM nukes, and then we have to fly those over the North Pole, over Russia, to hit North Korea. And it takes like 11 minutes. So like you got to get Putin on the phone in 10 minutes saying, yo, these nukes aren't coming for you, bro. They're going for Kim Jong-un. Oh my God. And then by that time, it's like, if you don't have like perfect communication amongst all

these world leaders, everyone's going to be launching nukes. Well, you know the story about that one Russian military guy that was the reason why Russia didn't launch a retaliatory strike because there was a- The submarine guy? Yeah. There was an error. And they thought the United States had launched a missile

towards Russia. And they were ready to respond. Wow. That's Jolly West in the background, bro. It's unconfirmed if it was him. I don't know if anyone confirmed it. If you can find a young photo. Zoom in on him.

Let's zoom in on him right here. I saw the video where someone was talking about it. Oh, that's him, bro. I don't know if anyone confirmed that's if you can find a young photo Let's zoom in on him right here. I saw the video or someone's talking about it. That's oh, that's him, bro I don't know. What are you talking about? Jamie works for the government That's a hundred percent him look at that picture now go over the other picture you just showed that's him. It's jolly well Yeah, that's him dude. I mean nothing to see here. Yeah, that is 100% him. That's exact same face Shut the fuck up find another one corroborate it That's I'm just I don't know I don't think at all the people that I wish were alive that I could talk to Kubrick is number one on that list

Really? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. First of all, I made some of the most impactful Well, I would like to talk to Jolly West to if you'd be willing Be a few people Dude was everywhere. Yeah, I would like to talk to Jolly West to if he'd be willing Be a few people Dude was everywhere. Yeah, that looks like him Jamie. It looks similar. Yeah, it looks like Look at that gun. Look at the far left photo. I mean, I mean it seems it seems pretty close I mean, that's him shut the fuck up hairlines identical. Look at the hairline. Jamie's a party pooper Jamie's a total party Look at the hairline Jamie's a party pooper Jamie's a total party

My god he combed his hair different crazy I Hate when facts don't lie with my theory in the second one is exactly the same that one right there is yeah It is he started losing his hair and he started doing a little bit of a comb over mm-hmm. Yeah Look man that guy was one of the biggest pieces of shit in the history of the United States government What he did was nuts just just the fucking Manson stuff was nuts the MK ultra stuff was Unbelievable and imagine you could do all this stuff. No one's investigating you no one even knows It's all completely top secret Congress has no idea you even exist in this realm. And they were running around doing like... Yeah, I was talking to Hamilton about it.

I'm like, dude, isn't that crazy? All the stuff they were doing with MKLTRA, Hamilton's like, uh, no. Of course those guys were doing that shit. I'm saying Hamilton. Hamilton Morris. Oh, Hamilton. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that guy, of course. Like of course they were doing that, bro. Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, yeah that guy of course Like of course they were doing that bro. Yeah. Well, I mean look if you have some unique compound like LSD Mm-hmm, and you know gets to you know Hoffman discovers it and then they start experimenting like what can we do with this stuff? And then you you find it has profound effects on the human mind. Of course, you're gonna try to use it for mind control they had already experimented with all sorts of techniques in regards to Doing it with prisoners like taking prisoners and trying to figure out like what kind of sleep deprivation

What kind of what psychological techniques can you use to extract information from them? So if you had something like LSD, of course, they're gonna try that make sense Yeah, they were doing it way back into the 50s in the UK with those British soldiers. I'm sure you've seen that video No, I have not never seen that No, they dosed up these soldiers with acid and then had them go out in the field and do these training routines Yeah training exercises and they couldn't do it. They could see you can find the video. It's hilarious They were just laughing so hard to perform Like some of them were able to do their duties and other ones just fell to the ground

They were just laughing and rolling around the ground like this is them This is 64 these guys are high on asses. Oh, this is Jamie Did you just set make it smaller again so you can see it? Yeah, 64 Royal Marines. So look at these poor guys. The men begin to relax and giggle. What the fuck are we doing here, bro? They probably didn't even tell them and this guy freaked out. He had to be removed. He's holding that lady's hand. I love you. I think you're amazing. We're all connected. God is real. There is no death.

And he's aiming the missile.'s like he's aiming this fucking This cannon look at these people. Yeah No, they bunching indecision as they enter a wood Almost immediately section commander tried to use a map. He couldn't read the map They're just tripping balls It's so funny that they try look at their smile on their faces guys guys got his hand over his head like what is going On man, and then it's supposed to be doing these exercises radio communication guy. They're difficult if not impossible. He's like fuck this This guy's just laying down laughing having so much fun I Try to chop a tree down using only a spade

fun. I try to chop a tree down using only a spade. No, the sense of responsibility in spite of physical illnesses, but one hour into. Imagine what they're doing now. Those guys are dead. There's a yeah, the DARPA that DARPA grant that went to University of North Carolina to figure out how to take the psychedelic trip out of LSD. I think it was. They're trying to make super soldiers, right? They're trying to make them so they can,

this is what I've heard, is that they are trying to make them more effective on the battlefield with things like edge detection and also coming back, like get back out there, like take them through the process, let them recoup and get right back out on the battlefield to where, you know, if you could get all the benefits of a psychedelic without the trip, would you get those benefits and would it be useful for soldiers in combat?

You know, it's an interesting idea. Well, the Vikings took mushrooms, the berserkers, they would take mushrooms before combat. Yeah. It does make sense, it really does. It doesn't make sense to us, because we think of mushrooms as like, hey man, I'm gonna go connect with God, and it's gonna be peaceful, I'm gonna lay in a field,

it's gonna be amazing, I'm gonna reset and come back and tell everybody I love them. That's what mushrooms are to us, but if you live in an insanely warlike culture and You believe it's right to go to battle and you're supposed to go to battle and Odin is on your side and you take these mushrooms to summon the strength of the gods and to prepare yourself for battle and There's I know a lot of guys who fight on mushrooms Yeah, yeah, like Joe Schilling talked about on the podcast

He he fought he took like a small dose and was sparring and then fought a few kickboxing bouts that way. He said he could see what guys were doing before they were doing it. It's almost like he could, and Joe Schilling's a world champion, like an elite kickboxer, like one of the best ever. And so for a guy like that to say that it had a profound effect on him He knows he knows his body like he's Battle hardened he knows the difference between regular fighting and fighting on mushrooms. Mm-hmm He said he could see he could almost like know what they were gonna do before they did it. That's wild

Yeah, they are there's this dude who is like I heard about Dana Beale Who's flying Ibogaine to the troops in Ukraine, to the Ukrainian troops, trying to get those guys in Ibogaine. And meanwhile, the Russians are on, what's that meth drug? There's like a new age meth that they're on. There's a new age meth? Yeah, there's a new version of it. The new version of what the Nazis-

It's not Pervitin. It's like a new version of it. It's like a little bit, it's a little bit tamer. But- Like, after all. I guess, maybe. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Visible.

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Terms apply. See visible.com for plan features and network management details. Maybe like Super Adderall. But apparently it's working. Adderall. Do you know how many million prescriptions of of our all given in this country every year Gavin McInnes told me before I came here. I was like got any advice for Joe Rogan. He's like

He said slam three beers and eat an Adderall I was like no, bro He can't do you see the time he came in dressed like Michael Douglas yeah, of course down of course Walking what is it was the movie? Forget that in the movie, but yeah, we freaked out Michael Douglas like had enough mm-hmm Yeah No, he uh he slams beers 24-7. He's constantly drinking Budweiser. Yeah, I've never seen him without a Budweiser in his hand How it works? Yeah, it's great? Oh, he's a smart guy. Yeah, he's a funny guy, too.

He just, the Proud Boys thing was just, if he had never done that, he would be like, well, a famous commentator, too. Yeah. Like, you think about like Steve Bannon, all these other guys, like, he's way funnier than any of those. Oh, yeah. He's very insightful.

Like, he's right about a lot of things. He, like, picks up on trends and culture and sees where people are going. And he was aware of like the dangers of Marxism and a lot of this fucking ridiculous leftist ideology that they were pushing in universities like way before anybody else was Yeah, there's this documentary that just came out about all about him from one of the guys Thomas that used to work for vice He was like one of the original Reporters for vice he did all like of the early stuff and He made this documentary all about Gavin and it's like focuses on the transformation from like early punk rock

Like liberal Gavin in the UK with like the mobs and the rockers to like the current Gavin Which is like, you know, he frames him as this like this super right wing racist dude. And you know, I was asking Gavin about it because he came on the podcast recently and he's like, I've always been the same. He's like, he was explaining that his views never changed. He was saying that like vice all of a sudden was getting infused with millions of corporate dollars and I wasn't a good look for that.

They didn't want me in there. But meanwhile, he was like the whole soul of Vice. Like there was no Gavin, there was no Vice. Like all the controversial do's and don'ts shit, and like all those controversial articles about like trans and trans shit early in like the early 2000s that he was doing was funny. And like culture didn't look at it the way it looks at it today

You know well He was being attacked for things that are like openly discussed today like the dangers of trans ideology And that these are just men and a lot of these men are doing it because they're perverts and so they're they're They're autogynephilex and you know autogynephilia is a real thing It's men who get sexually aroused and pretending that they're women and they want to go into women's spaces and be sexually aroused. You know, now people are saying that openly, right? Like, what was the university

that Leah Thomas was swimming in? Penn? Okay, so they have to take away all of air quotes, her gold medals. It's a guy, like has has a penis has sex with women supposedly according to Tony Hinchcliffe. But he actually has a bit about it's really funny but the the university now has to apologize to all the women that were forced to compete with him and you know say they fucked up and never do it again and not allow biological men to compete with women,

which is like, it should be, that should be a left-wing perspective. Not that you shouldn't be able to be trans. Of course, you should be able to do whatever you want. I'm for you doing whatever you want if you don't hurt other people. If you really believe you're a woman, look, if you can get fake tits and you can get fake lips

and you can get a dick enlargement, and like, do whatever you wanna do. I don't care, do whatever you to do. I'm covered with tattoos I've made stupid decisions like do whatever you want to do, but when you're competing with women you are essentially victimizing these women you're Forcing these women to compete with men have been through puberty and in this case still have a functional penis like bitches fucking bananas That's a man just because you think you're a woman you Physically, we know there's a difference. Yeah, I didn't know it was a giant problem Until there was that fighter Fallon Fox who had competed twice against women without letting them know

That this person was a biological male for 30 years fathered a child the whole deal I'm like, this is crazy. And that his response was, it's a medical condition, so I don't have to disclose this. It's medical information, which is just horse shit. It's crazy. And when I was saying that, I got attacked over and over and over again. I go, whoa, this is from the left. The left has no problem with a mentally ill man beating the shit out of women

falsely claiming that they're what not even allowing these women to know these women think they're gonna go compete in a Low-level MMA fight like a lot of them didn't look good They like they look they're well trained and they're competing against a biological man without having any idea One of them got a fractured skull. That's when I would realize, oh, this is just a cult. This isn't the left that I grew up with. I grew up with parents that were hippies.

And so my whole life I was left wing. I felt like that was the only way to be. But when you see the left allowing this bizarre loophole where perverts can pretend to be women, compete with women, fight with women, beat them up, be in their locker rooms, walk around naked with their dick hanging out, no one can say anything. How did they switch, how did they flip it on its head that,

at any other time in history if a man had a penis was walking through a young girl's locker room You'd be in real fucking trouble rightly so because that's not a thing that you should want to do Yeah, that's a weird thing to want to rock walk around naked with your dick hanging out in front of a bunch of women That's that's a creepy sexual thing period. Yeah. Yeah, unless you're like nero. You're not doing that You know even nero you sick fuck But like another thing gavin was pointing out to me, he showed me this New York Times or not New York Times, this Time magazine cover

from like a couple months ago. And it was all about how Tom boys are going extinct. You've seen that? Yeah, yeah. Incredible. Yeah, because they're turning them all. They're cutting their tits off and turning into boys. And, and then giving them fake dicks. I was watching this operation today. You watched an operation? I watched, excuse me, I should say this. I was watching this operation today. You watched an operation. I watched excuse me I should say this I was watching a video in the post-op I saw images of the operation that was enough, but it was this poor person who decided they wanted a piece standing up

That was all they wanted from this fake dick So they have these enormous scars on their leg where they take a giant chunk of flesh out of your thigh and Roll it up and make a penis out of it. And they had to do it to both legs for some reason. Maybe one of them didn't work real well. But how old was this person? They sounded young. They didn't show their face.

You know, it's fucking insane because a lot of these people unfortunately are autistic. And then there's this other factor when you give them testosterone, it does alleviate anxiety because all of a sudden, you know, you have this new hormone in abundance in your system. And you feel different. You feel better. You feel more confident, which is like the same way men feel when they have more testosterone. It's like then all of a sudden you're like, oh, this is who I was all along. Like, no, no, no.

You're taking a fucking compound that's forcing your body to change. Like this is not who you were. You're not affirming your identity. You're doing something that's altering your hormonal structure and turning you into a man. It might feel good, but this is not like your true self. This is crazy. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do it. If you want to do it, if you're a woman

and you want to take testosterone and be a man or be more manly, I feel like I don't know if it's the best decision for you but I'm not you and I believe in freedom. I believe in 100% human freedom as long as you're not hurting other people. Yeah. My beef with it is like it translated into them invading women spaces and you know that's crazy. That's crazy because you leave the loophole for perverts there could be a lot of them that legitimately trans people that feel like

They are in the wrong body and they want to live their life as a woman and when they live their life as a woman They feel healthier. They feel better. They're happier and Also crazy people and if you don't have a way of determining Who is just a pervert who just wants to hang out in the women's Locker room and show everybody his dick. Yeah, and who is a legitimate legitimate person with gender dysphoria And then another that's the other thing that like Tucker had a really good good point about this Said if someone has anorexia, you don't tell them. Yeah, you're fat. Yeah, you're fat. You're right You're correct. Even though you look like a skeleton you need to lose weight No, you tell them you are you're mentally ill. This is incorrect. You're not overweight. In fact, you have body dysmorphia

You can't see what you really look like which we know is a real condition like it's a real condition with anorexia It's even a real condition with bodybuilders It's a real condition a real condition when people get plastic surgery where they get crazy lips and crazy cheeks and they can't see it They can't see it. They can't see themselves It's nuts. They turn themselves into like all the girls looking like Jar Jar Binks walking around They look like monsters They look like monsters and doesn't look good and they keep tweaking and fucking with it and they can't see it because it's a mental Illness, it's the same kind of thing. The human mind is incredibly fragile.

That's why Jolly West was fascinated with trying all these MK Ultra techniques and different compounds on people's brains because human people can be manipulated very easily, shockingly easily. Not all of us, right? Like you and me are probably pretty skeptical. There's a lot of skeptical people out there.

But there's a bunch of people that are not skeptical at all. They're super gullible. And when an ideology forms, they step in line and they follow that ideology verbatim to the line. They repeat the things that they're supposed to say to the line because they think that's what they're supposed to do in order to be in the good graces of this community that they find themselves in.

It's a fucking cult. And there's a shit ton of cults. It's not just the Moonies. It's not just, you know, whatever, fill in the blank. It's all sorts of political ideologies. It's MAGA. It's the far left. It's the people that are cheering for this guy

in New York City that's a communist. All the- Didn't he just promise a bunch of money for transition surgeries? Yay! Yay, hooray! Yeah, it's nuts. Government run grocery stores and all that stuff. But he didn't win yet. He won the primary. Didn't he just promise a bunch of money for a transition? Yeah, it's not government run grocery stores and all that stuff yeah when yeah, he's just the people in the primary He's got a way and he has 100% because the other guy is the fucking guardian angels guy The other guy is Curtis Lee. Well, the guy wears the goofy beret. Oh, really? Yeah, that's the guy won the Republican side

Nobody wants to be a Republican mayor of New York City because they know they can't win. Mm-hmm So they're not like this guy's to the left of Bill de Blasio. Oh, he's way to the left Yeah And he's young and he's energetic and he's saying all the right things for all these kids that are in the streets that are protesting You know the think they want to make the world a better place which hey I would have been doing it with you if I was 20. Mm-hmm. It's all the same thing man It's all the same thing you can get indoctrinated into a particular way of thinking without being objective about what's actually going on.

All these people that are running through the street now saying, free Iran. Yeah, free Iran from a dictatorship, absolutely. But if you're saying wear scarves over your head and being forced to do what the Iranian government wants you to do and live like they live over there. No, they don't live free. They assassinated the fucking Olympic gold medalist in Russia, in wrestling rather, in Iran because he was protesting against the government. They're like national heroes and kill them openly. It's not a good place to live. I'm not saying we should bomb them, but being in support of Iran the Iranian people. Yeah for sure But that government is nuts man

It's like, you know trans people for Hamas Like there's there's people that are just they're not seeing what you're talking. They're not seeing the big picture Yeah, there's so many contradictions out there man. It's really hard to follow at all It's cuz it's a cult and there are and I think A huge amount of the Iranian population supports Israel too And it's like you would never fucking know that unless I like talk to them or listen some of these interviews of these people A ton of Persian Jews that moved to Los Angeles, you know, that was like at the fall I guess it was in the 70s when so this is the story for people that don't know about Iran. So

There was a gentleman who was democratically elected. I forget his name mogga. What is his name mogga? Mmm, I'm gonna fuck it up So he decided that he was gonna nationalize oil in Iran and they got him out like that They installed the Shah and turned it into an Islamic dictatorship, but they had access to the oil So the CIA and the the British government and everybody Conspired to get rid of this democratically elected guy because Iran at the time was like you women were wearing shorts Skirts rather walking on the street. It looked cool. Here it is Mohammed

Mosad dead Mosadek Mosadek. Okay, so let's let's zoom in on the story here. It says Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddegh was removed from power in a coup organized and financed by British and US governments. The Shah quickly returned to take power and signed off over 40% of Iran's oil fields to US companies. It's crazy, man. It's like it's so transparent. They didn't even wait a couple of years. They didn't even, well, the Shah's in power now. We'll see how things go.

Right. No, they immediately came in and signed everything off. 1953, the CIA and British intelligence orchestrated a coup d'etat that toppled the democratically elected government of Iran. The government of Mohammed Mosaddegh, the aftershocks of the coup are still being felt 51 Prime Minister Mosaddegh roused Britain Britain's ire when he nationalized the oil industry So the oil they weren't making money off the oil they were making money, but not as much money as the British were Hmm. Yeah, it being exclusively controlled by the Anglo Iranian oil company the company later became known as the British petroleum This time is different though. We don't know which is this time. They're the same people that dumped all the oil in the Gulf

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's BP after considering military action Britain opted for a coup d'état President Harry Truman rejected the idea but when Dwight Eisenhower took over the White House he ordered the CIA to embark on one of its first covert operations against a foreign government. And Iran's been fucked ever since. I mean, we've been doing stuff like that, not we, not you and I, not me and Danny Jones. We're innocent. But the United States government,

especially the intelligence agencies in the days before they assassinated Kennedy, they were doing all kinds of wild shit. Oh yeah. And this is- We're done now. We don't do that anymore. They don't do that shit anymore. They were doing all kinds of wild shit. Oh yeah. And this is- We're done now. We don't do that anymore. They don't do that shit anymore.

They definitely don't. No. They don't care about the oil over there. No, this government's America first now. We're legit. America first. Oh my God, bro. It's a crazy history.

And when you don't know the history, you go like, why are we mad at the Iranians? Well, why are they mad at us? Okay, like what did we we mad at the Iranians? Well, why are they mad at us? Okay. Like, what did we do to them? Like, how did these Islamic jihadists come to power? Like, where did it all start? Well, go back to the mujahideen.

We literally changed their definition of jihad. Like we wanted them to become suicide bombers. We wanted them to do things and martyr themselves. So it was the original definition of jihad, look this up, but I'm pretty sure it was a war against your own vices. Really? Yep. Yeah. The idea was you were trying to be a good Muslim, a pure Muslim. You were trying to avoid impure thoughts, no alcohol, all these different things.

And they twisted that around with jihadists and through the CIA and Osama bin Laden and the Mujahideen to fight off the Soviet Union when the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan. Like Osama bin Laden was our guy. He was working for us. And he's like, these fucking people suck. Yeah, there was this story how his pancrecreas struggle against the enemies of Islam a spiritual struggle within oneself against sin

Greatest jihad. Yeah, it sounds great. Isn't that interesting a spiritual struggle within oneself against sin Yeah, I mean, yeah just reading it sounds so it seems like it's more than one definition There's probably so many the other one is declared a jihad against the infant scroll back down again Struggle or fight against the intimate enemies of Islam. So it's two things but they made it, you know Yeah They they did a lot of mind fucking to those people and they put them on a war that they couldn't win again to try to do The same thing that they were doing with the rocket program with everything else. We're trying to outspend the Soviets

They were trying to bankrupt them. Yeah, that part of the world is just like How much of it has to do with the fact that we've been occupying that area that that part of the world for so long and like Going out there, killing all the bad guys and then the kids seeing their families being slaughtered and then like, okay, we're going to eliminate terrorism. Let's take out these bad guys. But then the kids grow up and you realize it's just the Hydra. You cut the head off and three grow back.

Well, if you want to be even more cynical, we pay them and we arm them. Yes. And we left behind billions of dollars of shit in Afghanistan that they use for parades now. They drive down the street with our tanks. They have our Black Hawks flying overhead. That's all the shit we left. Billions of dollars. Like, you couldn't have got that out.

Well, do you think they leave it there so that these people are always formidable and they always leave open the door to go back in? Yeah. I think so. I don't think that's the primary reason why they did it, but I've got to assume that that would be on the table if it's been on the table in the past. Arming people in the past has always been a thing that we do. I mean, there's a Bill Hicks joke about Iraq. You know, it's like, there you have the most deadly weapons. How do you know? Well, we looked through the receipts. I butchered the joke, but you know, we've always been doing that. We've done that forever. Yeah. What's the Bill Hicks, what's the, my favorite Bill Hicks joke, at least that I

don't, I'm not like a historian on Bill Hicks, but the one where he's talking about the sock puppets. He's like, I like this guy on the right. He seems like he fits my ideas. He's like, I think he's a fancy the guy on the left. He's like, what the fuck? The same guy's holding both the puppets. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's perfect.

Perfectly illustrates the way it is. Yeah, and again, this was before we really knew things. Bill Hicks was saying this in the 1990s, where he just had books. So, it was really hard to get these ideas across. He would have been a great podcast guest. Oh, hell yeah. Because he was like saying these things

when no one even knew what he was saying, and he was putting it into comedy. Like, people then were not nearly as aware of the manipulation of money in power. They really thought, a lot of people thought that the will of the people, you know, the president, we've got to get a good president in there that's looking out for us. And they didn't really understand that it's all being bought and paid by special interest groups, large corporations, huge donors.

And that when the guy gets in there, he's just representing the same thing no matter what. Yeah. The amount of reading and insight and learning that that guy was, a lot of those dudes were able to do back then pre-internet is astonishing. And to be able to internalize and process those ideas and rework them with draft after draft

and refine it into the most perfect way to communicate it to people to where it lands, it's just fucking crazy. And in today's day and age, it's almost like you would think it would be easier with all of the access to information. But it seems like it might even be harder because there's just too much information. Like last night, listening to you talk was fucking incredible, dude. Like listening to how you were at the end doing this, the Q&A with the crowd.

You're like, I ran out of jokes. Who wants to ask me questions? Like you were just on another gear, dude. It's like, you're so high octane and you're so, like, up to speed with everything that's happening around the world at all times. It's mind blowing to me how you're able to do this stuff, how you're able to stay up and do comedy late, do podcasts every day and be like up to speed with all the news and like have like, thought out, like thought through a lot of these things that just happened yesterday.

I'm just fascinated by that, dude. Well, that's all I do, you know? When you only pay attention to fascinating things, like things that are interesting to you. And they're also interesting to the audience. But I mean, I don't have a regular job, right? So this is my job. This is my job to kind of pay attention to stuff.

Yeah. And have opinions on things. And then the tricky thing is taking those opinions and trying to make them funny. You know, trying to put it in a way that's going to be hilarious on stage. What do you think about this ditty thing that just happened this morning? Kind of crazy. I'll tell you what, Kurt Metzger called this from the beginning. And especially when he found out that Comey's daughter was going to be the

The judge did you know that no I did not yeah, yeah, yeah Wasn't she the same judge on the glen Maxwell case? Yeah, oh yes, I did hear that yeah, bro. Where's the videos? They were telling us the videos are gonna come out incredibly high-profile people doing horrendous things evil evil things, people are gonna go to jail, people are gonna be shocked. Yeah. Where? Right. Nothing. Well, like zero. My thing about the Diddy thing is like, I don't really give a fuck.

These people are all, they're of age, they're over, they're like 18 years old. And is it shitty what he's doing trying to like use people and leverage them and to do these weird sexual things and like sick shit, just the most sick shit you could possibly think of. But like the way I look at it is these people are using this Diddy stuff, all it does is like take away

from the real child trafficking that's going on with like underage kids, right? There's like what, 300,000 something like missing kids? Like talking about Diddy and his oil parties with these 18 year olds, like do I think it's good? No, I wanna beat up their dad, but other than that, I don't really give a fuck if there's like 18 to 19 year olds that are doing this stuff,

as long as they're not being like actually like physically raped. But I mean, it seems like what's going on is just this weird cultish thing where they slowly get creeped closer and closer and closer to this thing. Oh, I'm here now. All these famous people are here.

They're doing this. Like, ugh. Elaborate parties, lots of money, everything you want, the golden carrot at the end of the stick. So the thing is, he's not even being charged for any of the things you just brought up. He's not being charged for blackmail, which is kind of crazy, because what did they do?

Why did they tell us that there was all these videos of all these high profile people and then silence, and then it never comes up once during the trial? There's none of that stuff in the trial. In the trial, it was his ex-girlfriend Cassie, they were talking about... So like he's up for these two charges left and it's like prostitution, something... It's like nothing stuff. It's like stuff that he's going to go to jail for like five years, if at all, and probably won't. And he's already been in jail for... So what is time served now? It's over a year, right? Yeah. No, I think he's going to walk, dude. I don't think he's going to spend any time.

And this is what Kurt Metzger called a long time ago as soon as he saw that it was a Comey's daughter He was like, oh, he's gonna walk. Trust me. He's gonna walk There's a bunch of high-profile people that are connected to this. Yeah, they're covering it all up if he goes down they go down So he's not gonna go down, right? So that's the thing like if he really if he really did have like really wealthy high-profile people at his parties, which we know he did You know did he prosecutors abandoned multiple allegations against rapper days for trials and hey, he says wow Hey, remember I called it. This is Kurt Metzger on Because James Comey's daughter is the prosecutor remember how well she slept up swept up on the Ghislaine trail. Yep

Hey, who else called it? Yeah, I can't be the only one yeah he called it yep he called it he called it in the fucking green room of the mothership right when he found out he goes he's gonna walk I'm like what are you talking about have you heard these these charges yeah he's going to go to jail yeah no Medscrib was right mm-hmm yep and then we I don't know what happened with Gisley Maxwell. And you don't think they could fake the moon landing? Yeah. Shut the fuck up.

Shut the fuck up. They've got videotape and all of a sudden they don't. You have the director of the FBI on this show saying there's no, if there was, nothing you're looking for is on those tapes. Like, what? Why'd they say, there was thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible what? Why'd they say there was thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible shit?

Why'd they say that? Didn't Pam Bondi say that? What, are you talking about Epstein or Diddy? Yeah, Epstein. Yeah, she said it literally, I think a week before you had the FBI director sitting here telling you there was nothing, right? She said something about that there was like

thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible crimes. There is, and didn't the FBI dude say that there was nothing Cash Patel said there's nothing you're looking for. Oh, okay Okay, I mean what am I gonna do? I'm gonna push back. No, of course. Obviously I understand saying what he has to say, right? Mystery surrounds the Jeffrey Epstein files after Bondi claims tens of thousands of videos tens of thousands Jesus Christ Tell you what. Oh my God. Was reviewing tens of thousands of videos, the wealthy financier with children or child

porn. The comment made to reporters the White House days after a similar remark to a stranger with a hidden camera raised the stakes for President Donald Trump's administration to prove it has in its possession previously unseen compelling documents or Just bombing ran and everybody forgets just bombing ran. Yeah, everybody forgets about it. Yeah, it seems crazy That we're just like it like you would I would think Just Trump's demeanor his MO towards other countries Like if we're the ones funding them giving them all this money and they're trying to fight a war, like typically he would be putting his boot on their neck,

like, listen, you motherfucker, like he's talking shit, right? Like you have to do what I want you to do. And it just seems like, and now I think it just came out a couple days ago that they're trying to prosecute Netanyahu, right? And then Trump's helping with it, I think, trying to help him, Netanyahu, in that whole rigmarole.

Well, they're trying to try him while he's in office. Right, and I think that- And he's trying to delay it because he's like, look, we're at war, and they decide to go through with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think something came out, I think a couple days ago, I couldn't be wrong, but I was listening to Dave Smith talk about how

Trump was actually like helping him through this. I don't know could be wrong Okay, here's his doing a Fox News Channel interview in February Bondi suggested an alleged Epstein client list was sitting on her desk. Yeah Well, the list is one thing right? I mean, there's so many people on the list that are probably innocent But I they're right. They just went on the list that are probably innocent, but I They just went to the island for a party Sitting in Tel Aviv right now He had like a hundred cameras in that pen, in every single house. You know his house is for sale in New York? That's amazing.

Yeah. Should make that a podcast studio. No, my wife found it on Trulia or whatever it is, one of the maps, and she's like, look at this beautiful, because we were in New York. The townhouse? Yeah, like it's not a townhouse, it's a house. It's like, it's a big ass house.

It's like multiple stories. The one right across the street from Central Park. Uh-huh Yeah, that one. It's for sale right now How much I think it was like 60 or 70 million something like that, which is what it's worth But who wants to live in the Epstein house? First of all if if I bought that house, I'd want the Clinton painting. Can you give me that painting? Yeah, Clinton with all that shit inside I want George Bush with with the Jenga towers and the paper airplanes

I want all of it, and then the lady just died to the lady got hit by a car one of the witnesses yeah, one of the Jeffrey Epstein witnesses, and apparently she had like a husband who was abusing her and You know people like to it's just like people like to use this stuff as like a political football to like argue for whatever they believe in. And also when you get rich powerful people, so here's the thing that happens with rich powerful people, they can't go anywhere. If you're like say a Jeff Bezos type or someone who's like an Elon Musk type, and I'm not accusing them of anything, I'm just saying, at that caliber of celebrity,

and that caliber of prominence, you can't go anywhere. If you're Bill Clinton, back in the 80s or the 90s, wherever it was, you can't go party. Everybody knows who you are. You gotta be protected, right? But you want these experiences. And so you have these guys, like a Jeffrey Epstein type guy, who works with the elite of the elite clientele.

It's all movie stars, big-time politicians, world leaders, scientists, Nobel Prize winners, and they all meet together and have fascinating conversations and cocktails and there's beautiful girls everywhere. Of course, what a great idea. And if you're naive and you don't understand honey pots... Here's the quote from Maria Farmer who was one of the accusers from what was inside the house in New York. Okay, she said, there were monitors inside this cabinet. I looked on the cameras and I saw toilet, toilet, bed, bed, toilet, she said, visibly

spooked. Like, I'm never going to use the restroom here and I'm never going to sleep here. You know what I mean? It was very obvious that they were like monitoring private moments. Yeah, of course. Maria Farmer was the one who worked at Epstein's office in New York. I think this is the house Jamie Yeah, I was looking up stuff on the house. I was like what they have the house still has fucking Cameras in it somewhere. They haven't found yet. They were definitely Don't know yeah, you'd have to scan the shit out of that house. You'd have to take the walls apart

There's probably listening devices inside the walls. Like, who knows if this was, like, really an intelligence operation. Yeah, they probably had that house fully wired. Maria Farmer, I think she was the chick who was working the front desk at his office in Manhattan. This is, like, a funny example of, like, what I like to do. My mom is super left wing.

She's a, kind of has her degree in fine arts. Oh, boy. And she still is, is like an art professor. And my dad is a ex post office worker. And he's only watches Fox. So my dad only watches Fox. They're divorced. My mom only watches CNN.

Jesus, why didn't they stay together? How weird. Who knows? And they, I like to like take things that are happening and then controversial things like for Epstein example. And I like to just call my are happening and then controversial things, like for Epstein example, and I like to just call my mom and argue with her. Like argue the right-wing side against my mom's point of view on Epstein,

and then I'll call my dad and I'll make the opposite argument towards him. It's like a fucking thought experiment or like a critical thinking exercise. You use your parents to spar with. My mom, she'll be like, of course, Trump, there's more footage of Trump with Epstein than anybody. Are you kidding me?

He's partnering with him here? Of course he's compromised. And then my dad's like, it's fucking Clinton, bro. It's like, it's only Bill Clinton. He's the only one on the Epstein files. Of course we know he's a pervert, all this stuff. And then you have, so the funny thing is, both sides will use their little batch of evidence

to support their idea and ignore the opposite, right? So like the lady, the girl we were just talking about, Virginia, she was literally on video saying that all this shit about Bill Clinton on the jet, going to the island, hanging out with Trump and all this stuff, and the right-wing people, like people I know, my parents and older folks I know in Florida will say, you know, she came out,

thank you for exposing Bill Clinton, for being a pedo and doing all this stuff. And Virginia Gouffre, after this happened, she's like, you guys didn't listen to the whole fucking tape. She's like, I was telling you that Trump was at the penthouse three days a week and visiting him, but you guys don't wanna hear that. And it's like, you know, it's just this weird thing.

Like if you do the math, there's gotta be, it's gotta be so many high level powerful people that are somehow compromised. And do I think, do I think like Clinton and these guys are pedos? No, I don't think that at all. But if you were Jeffrey Epstein, you would, I think it's super plausible to assume

that he would try to trick them with like a girl who looks old, right? Who is possibly like on the borderline of being 18. And you say, oh yeah, this girl, she's 18, 19, 20, whatever. Meanwhile, she's like 17 and they had no idea and they have video footage. And in like a court of law, if I'm the judge, I'm going to let them like, of course they fucking lied to him. And this is not like some young girl, obviously, but they lied. But like in, in like the court of public opinion, you're never going to win in that case, right? Like that comes obviously, but they lied. But like in the court of public opinion,

you're never gonna win in that case, right? Like if that comes out, you're fucked. You're fucked. I mean, you're fucked if you just go into the island to bang hookers. Like it's like they're of age, it's still. Like whatever he was doing, you preyed on people's desire for experiences and vice.

And all these powerful people who again, they can't just go call a hooker and the hooker goes, oh my God, I just blew Bill Gates, this is nuts. You know what I mean? again they can't just go call a hooker and the hooker goes. Oh my god I just blew Bill Gates. This is nuts. You know, I mean like you can't trust them So you have to trust someone who really has a lockdown organization and they felt like he did Yeah, and that's why they all can they all hung out with him even after he got arrested This is what's crazy. That is crazy a lot of Bill Gates meetings with him were after he was

That is crazy a lot of Bill Gates meetings with him were after he was prosecuted and he got this little slap on the wrist And he got essentially home detainment And I think he had to do like weekends at the jail like it was a crate for underage sex for you know What's supposed to be a felony? The whole thing is crazy, and then when there's one reporter that really chased it down, I forget her name, but she really like really looked into it. And that's when they opened up the second case, the second trial. Vicki Ward. Vicki Ward. Was she from what paper?

Vanity Fair. Vanity Fair. So she was responsible for like, because she was like, this is insane. Like what's going on here? And then there was the sheriff that had arrested him said that I was told he was intelligence. And I mean, you got to think man, if a guy like that is running these kind of parties with all these rich and powerful people, how many different worldwide decisions can be manipulated because of these people and the compromises you have on them. It's really a brilliant thing to do from an intelligence perspective.

Yeah, it really is, man. And the way that the world is shaping out now and this rise of Jew hate online, and I think a lot of it's bots. I think it's coming from every angle. You know, I think it's probably a lot of propaganda and bots coming from Iran, coming from Israel, Saudi, who knows where it's all coming from.

It's just such a confusing crock of shit on the internet. But like, you know, on one hand, they were able to pull off some incredible fucking operations. And you know, on the other hand, we get mad now that it gets exposed, we get get mad that they have their hooks in us and the people that are in power, whatever the politicians are the puppets, just like bend the knee to whatever they're doing. And it gets exposed when people like Tucker did that interview with Ted Cruz and He had him on his heels the whole time that was that was incredible. That was a fucking a biblical fucking interview with Ted Cruz and that really like pulled the mask off because like if that guy's if that guy is explaining his

His position on Israel being in, and that's his number one thing that made him want to be a congressman. It's like, what are all these other people doing then? If there's all this money, and you can see the receipts, how much money they're being given by these lobbies. But how mad can you get? Because we let them do it. They're legally allowed to do it.

Yeah, you could be mad, but you really should be mad at the politicians. The corrupt politicians and how many of them there are. And look at the mayoral race, where they all were saying, my first trip, I'm going to go to Israel. Oh yeah, except for the dude. Except for what's his name? The guy I want. He said he's going to stay in New York.

The communist. Yeah. He's like, I'm going to take care of the Jews in New York. Boom, checkmate. That was it. That literally won it for him. Because everybody else was like, what are you guys talking about? New York is fucked. Take care of the Jews in New York. Boom, checkmate, that was it. That literally won it for him. Because everybody else was like, what are you guys talking about? Like, New York is fucked.

Take care of this goddamn city. Why, what's this loyalty and allegiance to Israel from the New York City mayors? The people that are candidates for mayor? Like, your number one concern is Israel? That seems odd. Unless you're getting a ton of money. You know?

Unless they have some video footage. Yeah. Yeah, the more I think about politics and just look at the news cycle every day, I just feel like I get dumber. It's a dumb business. It's a dumb, dirty business. It really is, dude.

Just like sometimes I'm just like not motivated to read the daily news, you know? Like I was telling this to Gavin too. I was like, it was like, like to focus on the culture wars 24 seven 365 and fucking talk about it all day is draining dude. Yeah, you can't. It's bad.

It's bad for you. Yeah. That's why people that are on social media all day are they're poisoned. There was some study recently. I think it was Columbia, I forget what university, but they paid people to stay off social media for a certain amount of time and they said that the results were superior to therapy. See if you can find that. So they, I think a large percentage of the mental illness that we have in this country is greatly accentuated

by social media. I think people that are on it all day, I think it's extremely addictive. I think the conflict raises your, the whole anxiety that you have about conflict in society. Stanford paid 35,000 people to find out if quitting Instagram made you happier. Yeah, this is it.

And so what was the results? Landmark study on digital well-being. Ran two parallel experiments with Facebook and Instagram as a perspective focal pattern, platform rather. For each focal platform metagrew a stratified random sample of users who were in the U.S. who were age 18 or older had logged in at least once a month, or at least once in the past month from August 31st to September 12th, MetaPLAY survey invitations at the top of

these users' focal platform news feeds. Study explains on Facebook a total of 10.6 million users were invited to study. 673,388 clicked the invitation and 43,249 were willing to deactivate, consented to participate, and completed the enrollment survey. Of these, 19,857 completed the baseline survey, could be linked to the platform data, and had at least 15 minutes of baseline use per day So what was the results? Modest but meaningful emotional gains

Findings were statistically significant although modest in scale Facebook deactivation led Facebook is like a bunch of old people complaining about their neighborhood Yeah led to a zero point.060 standard deviation improvement. That's not much. While Instagram deactivation yielded a 0.041 improvement, these gains represent approximately 15 to 22% of the benefits typically seen with established psychological intervention such as cognitive behavior therapy

or mindfulness-based intervention. So that's not much. That's 22% of the benefits. So it's a mild improvement. To help me with this though, the improvements weren't equally distributed. Adults over 35 saw the most substantial benefit from leaving Facebook, whereas young women under 25 experienced the most emotional uplift from an Instagram break. Women are getting fucked by that because they're constantly comparing themselves to girls that are digitally are altered and using filters and

Fucks through your self-esteem and yeah, it's I just think overall. It's not good for us No, and there's a large percentage of our society is addicted to it. Mm-hmm, and it's new It's the dough it hijacks your dopamine reward system You know like say said they call them dope I mean like the your phone and the iPad and all this stuff is like their dopamine slot machines and like the you know The way they fuck up your circadian rhythm like when you're slick when you're laying in bed at night Scrolling and how that blue light in the phone? Just like pumps your brain full of energy, and you can't put it down

You're just addicted like every scroll is like another hit of the crack pipe you know a baby hit too it's not even like ooh feels so great right it's like gotta keep doing it most nothing hit ever it's like yeah just a little what's that oh how weird and it like turns off a part of your brain too like it turns off the thinking part mm-hmm you know we're like you just keep doing that thing and you're waiting for something good to hit. Something more to like, charge your... And it never comes.

It never comes, right? But you keep looking. Until you fucking look at the clock and it's like 3am and you're like, what the fuck am I doing? You're a fucking gold miner in a barren creek. Yeah. You're just constantly gold mining. One day.

One day gold. One day I'm gonna find gold. I'm gonna find enlightenment on my Instagram. Nope. You're not. You're gonna fuck your head up. Yeah, no, I think it's definitely atrophying the human brain. 100%.

And that's why I like these new technical computers and these different apps that are coming out that are trying to be anti-technology. They're trying to make healthier computers and healthier phones that like, that like like that simple phone Is that what it's called? There's a simple phone There's like the the daylight computer thing which is like an iPad with no blue light in it And it has only this it's like kind of like a Kindle on steroids where there's no blue light

Oh, so it looks like paper. Yeah, look like it's like this is one of them right here and it has like oh you have one Yeah, I put I like make my notes on it and then you it also has like the casiot. Yeah. Yeah What is that called? This is called the Daylight computer look at it. So I put on my old iPad. Yeah, it looks like an old iPad This is like version one of what they're doing. It's fucking sick, dude. Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's you know I don't know if you were used to Kindle but like yeah, I look at note-taking thing It's super slow when you draw on it this thing is super fast you can zoom in and out of shit super fast like PDFs and

When I sit and my sit in bed at read if I use like a this looks good like when you're looking at it Doesn't fuck with your eyes at all. It looks like a piece of paper. Yeah Wow, and look check this out if you do uh if you do this When did you decide to do this uh, if you do this. When did you decide to do this? To go switch over to this stuff? This is like in the last year. Oh yeah?

So look at that. So it's all, it's like amber. Like, so if I lay in bed at night and I'm reading like a PDF or a Kindle or something like this, I'm asleep in like 45 minutes. I, the blue- What is going on with his microphone? Oh shit. Is everything okay?

Did you, uh, disconnect it? Short. Yeah. Wow. Weird. The blue going on with his microphone. Oh shit you okay disconnect it Yeah Check check check it we're good. We're back. So yeah, so amber light Yeah amber light and then like if so if I sit on my phone and read something I can stay up all night or first on my computer and read something I stay up forever this thing I fall asleep Huh? I literally doesn't keep me up because it does I don't think because it doesn't have their that blue light that's baked into it

So you use that as your primary computer? No, no, no, I just use this for reading and like note-taking and shit I like all like on every podcast that I'm just like taking notes on exists stores on my notes And then I just read Kindles on it and PDFs and stuff and you write the notes by hand. Yep Okay, so it has like a little sketchy thing and it's like super quick. Oh It's like it's fucking amazing quick. Oh, it's like fucking amazing You don't type your notes does it have a keyboard? Can you type on it yeah, you can it has it's like a it's like basically like an iPad It's like a so you can attach like in a Bluetooth blue keyboard

You can type on it and shit super quick super responsive And so what was the the thought process about switching to something like this? because And so what was the thought process about switching to something like this? because Like so I got introduced to the those guys when I started learning about like all this Circadian rhythm stuff and how like all these devices hijack your dopamine system and all this stuff and there's like hey There's these guys that they're working on this new technology. That's like anti Big tech mind control all the apps and everything like that with all the colors and all the you know everything that's like anti big tech mind control, all the apps and everything like that

with all the colors and all the, you know, everything that just like fucks with your brain and your eyes. And I was like, that's interesting. They're going in the opposite direction of normal tech and like Apple and all these things. So I hit them up and they sent me one and I was just like fucking blown away.

I thought it was super cool. I could sit outside, because I like to go outside like first thing in the morning when the sun's rising and spend at least like two or three hours like during the beginning of the day. Because I feel it just like charges me up for the day. I feel better when I'm outside, especially in Florida, the sun's really good.

And so I'll go out there and I'll read on this thing. I can't read on anything else. My phone or like a computer screen, there's so much glare. This thing thrives in the outdoor sunlight. So it's like perfect. It's like reading like a piece of paper. Outside.

What do you think like it would be best if phones were like that? So you could read text messages and emails. It would definitely be healthier. It would definitely be healthier for us. But it wouldn't be able to look at pictures and videos the same way though. Right? It doesn't have color, right? Yeah, yeah

This thing's all black and white and with that amber backlight that you can throw on at night If you're like inside or something like that And so how much of a change has it had in like your routine because of this thing? It's great because I if I'm reading shit, which I typically do in the morning and at night I don't stay up all night it It encourages me to go outside more Because like typically when I'm trying to like absorb stuff or like listen to podcasts or like make notes or read read books I can do it on that and it works better outside, huh?

So it just makes me want to go outside more which I feel better when I'm outside more Wow, that's interesting man Yeah, was it called again daylight computer daylight computer? Yeah, it's beautiful man. I might check that out. Yeah, it's cool. I don't want to carry around another fucking thing though Yeah, you know you got all your phones and yeah all the bullshit. I have to carry around and that's big Yeah, that's it is big if it's in that little that little Patagonia bag I just like carried I carry it like to home and to home like to the studio. How come it has those big stupid bezels I don't know. It's the it's version one. So like it looks like they got some leftover iPad technology. Yeah kindle technology very interesting it definitely

You know, I think they're gonna eventually try to improve that like I said, that's like the version one That's like iPhone one for their thing and they're trying to like this is new very new Yeah, they're trying to come up with like phones eventually and but apparently it's a lot of work to have a computer company James McCann one of the comics from last night. He had a new phone. I'm like, what is this? He's like it's a keeps you from being distracted It only has like Spotify a few other things on, one shitty little camera and a black and white screen. Like really, it's like you're just trying to get off of this phone addiction.

So it's a much more limited phone, it runs on Android. There's a lot of people that are kind of leaning in that sort of direction. Yeah, like the anti-tech direction. Well just realizing like something's going on. Like I'm not happier, I'm less happy. I'm kind of tweaking, thinking about where's my phone? Yeah, I don't think the innovation

of all this new technology now that it's like exponentially taking off with AI is gonna lead us to a good place, man. I think that, you know, I've had philosophers and people explain to me how like the advancement of like the technological human mind and the analytical mind has Equally equated with the atrophy of like the psychic mind and like when you listen to people like to Paul Rosalie talking about spending a lot of time in the Amazon and like going through

the jungle how it like awakens these deeper senses that you have in inside of us and like it makes me wonder, 5,000 years ago, before we had the ability to offload our memories onto phones and computers, and before we even had the fucking written word, and we were able to make notes and stuff, we probably had like way better memory we had we possibly likely had like a telepathic way of communicating back then like way way

long ago before we had like before we started letting technology take over for what we do like even for like mundane tasks now which has reached the pinnacle of LLMs like telling us, telling us like how to fucking write an email. You know? Right, well we for sure don't remember phone numbers anymore and when I was a kid I kept like 15 phone numbers in my head. Now I have zero.

I have like maybe one or two phone numbers I can remember. Everybody just relies on their phone. There's so many people that can't even make their way around town without their navigation system. Completely forgot how the streets connect. You know, there's a lot of digital atrophy or human atrophy that's being caused by the interface of the digital world.

And it's only going to get worse. I mean, there was a study recently on chat GBT users and how less they're, how, see if you can find it. It was a study on young people and ubiquitous use of chat GPT, like how many of them are using it and how much effect it has on their ability to form their own thoughts and see through things. They're just relying on this thing

to answer the questions for them without pondering the question themselves and actually learning things. They're just getting data. And a lot of that data doesn't even get absorbed. Yeah, my wife and all of her friends are using chat GPT. Here it is. Chat GPT may be eroding critical thinking skills according to a new MIT study.

That's odd. Totally makes sense. Study divided 54 subjects, 18 to 39 year olds from the Boston area into three groups and asked them to write several SAT essays using OpenAI's chatGPT, Google Search Engine, and nothing at all respectively. Researchers used an EEG to record the writer's brain activity across 32 regions and found that of the three groups, ChatGPT users had the lowest brain engagement and consistently underperformed at neuro, linguistic, and behavioral levels. Over the course of several months, ChatGPT users got lazier with each subsequent essay, often resorting to copy and paste by the end of the study.

Wow. Yeah, we're gonna just end up being a residue of a species overwritten by our own creation. Very bizarre. Fucking scary, dude. Very bizarre, very bizarre, because we're just all running towards the cliff mm-hmm We're all like yeah, well we gotta do it cuz if we don't do it China's gonna do it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, man

I think we're gonna integrate that's what I think We're gonna realize that the only way for us to survive is to integrate with artificial intelligence I think people are gonna choose they're gonna find God Either in artificial intelligence or in nature people that run the other way are gonna choose, they're gonna find God either in artificial intelligence or in nature. People that run the other way are gonna realize, like nature. Well, there's definitely gonna be people

that worship artificial intelligence as a new God. That's already been speculated. That's for sure gonna be a thing. And it might actually be that. It might be that's what God is. Like, that's how we make him. We make God forms himself through us. Like the way God creates us, he instills us with this insatiable need for technological

innovation until ultimately if they don't blow themselves up, they achieve artificial intelligence which then becomes sentient, which then makes better and better versions of itself. As you scale out what's the ultimate version of that, the ultimate version of that is God. Yeah. And then what are we? we with a chicken and the egg? Well, there's some new thing man, have you seen this thing about the James Webb telescope James dude I was talking to Jesse Michaels about this yesterday. Yeah, me and Jesse were talking about yesterday, too So Jesse's his phone was getting lit up

I'm gonna send you this Jamie. Yes, so I guess really interesting. The story is like this background microwave radiation is not what we think it was. There's these mature universes that are out there that we just discovered with the James Webb. Well this is here I'll send you the the Twitter thing Jamie. Did you find it already? Okay here it is. Web telescope uncover secrets of dark matter. Yeah that's one of them but I'll show you what this is because what this is is essentially that just the galaxies that they've shown It it makes up for the background micro or whatever the microwave radiation Yeah, yes that they associated with the Big Bang. So now so according to the Big Bang is fake. Yeah Yeah, I saw the Twitter post and there's people, you know going after each other like rabid cats and dogs about it

Whether it was real or whether it was fake Yeah, well, of course people are going back and forth about it. But essentially what they're saying is this kind of, it cancels out the idea of the Big Bang. And Penrose believed that it was a consistent cycle. Penrose believes it goes, you know, Big Bang to expansion of the universe, to compression, to Big Bang with this constant cycle, never ending. It's not that the universe was formed at one period of time. It's like this constant state of happening. Which, is that any more crazy than the universe happening at one time out of nothing?

No, I mean, it's kind of, it's all crazy. Just the idea that it's 13 billion light years old, or 13.7. Or 22, is 22 even more crazier? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, this is nuts, dude. A new paper shows that the cosmic microwave background radiation can be explained entirely by the energy of recently discovered early mature galaxies. Massive galaxies, the James Webb Space Telescope

discovered while crushing, excuse mecope discovered which crushed the existing models of galaxy formation because they formed much earlier than astrophysicists thought possible. But now these EMGs turn out to account for the entire energy density of the cosmic microwave background radiation, which was believed to be a snapshot of the first light emitted after the Big Bang, when the universe was 379,000 years old. The variations in the CMB were believed to be relics of quantum fluctuations in the dense plasma of the Big Bang. If these new findings are accepted, and there's no reason not to accept them, then all the following flagship findings of cosmology are thrown into question. Big Bang Theory, foundational cosmological model undermined,

cosmic inflation, loses observational justification, ACDM model, I don't know what that is, key parameters become unrealized. So all this stuff, dark energy inferred from the CMB may be mischaracterized. Dark matter density. Current estimates may be invalid. Age of the universe must be recalculated.

Wild. Yes, it's insane. Wild shit. And I'm sure the people that have been preaching or that have been rather talking and teaching people about the Big Bang and writing books, they're gonna fight back tooth and nail. Yeah, of course.

Because they don't wanna be wrong. But this James Webb telescope, at the very least, has shown us mature galaxies that shouldn't have been able to be formed. The fact checkers got it. Read your context. This post claims CMB can be explained entirely by EMGs, implying ability, not probability,

that EMGs turn out to account for the entire energy of the CMB radiation, but the paper says EMGs may account for anywhere between 1.4% and 100%. So they might account for 100%, but they do account for, that seems like you're nitpicking. They might account for 100%. Either way, they're learning things, and they still have a very limited ability to observe. So the James Webb telescope is so much better than the Hubble,

so much better than anything else they've launched before. So they're finding new things out. But it's still limited in its capacity to see the universe. It can't see everything yet. So they'll probably have an even better one that they'll launch. And that will show us even more that we didn't know. And we're operating on a limited amount of data and we're operating with this conviction

that they're 100% correct about these timelines. And just these mature galaxies that existed where they shouldn't exist is enough to know that we don't know everything. And then this whole dark matter, dark energy thing, it's like, what is it? You don't even know. And then this whole dark matter, dark energy thing, it's like, what is it? You can't even, you don't even know what it is. What did we, well, we figured out that, uh, that dark matter actually is mass, right?

And has gravitational effects. Like they were, they were, um, forget who it was, but they, they were observing galaxies and they were looking at the spin rate of the galaxies and they found out that the center of the galaxy, it should be spinning faster than the outer rim of it. Right. But they found out that the spin rate is identical, which means that what they theorized is that dark matter, the mass of the dark matter around the galaxy has lots of mass and it's flattening the spin rate of the galaxies.

Which is interesting because like, there's this, have you ever heard of this dude named Rolf Landauer? No. He has this theory that if you weighed a hard drive after you put data on it, it would weigh more than when it was empty, right? So, and his theory was that like every single hard drive server farm around the world right now,

and if you weighed it, if we had measuring equipment that was sensitive enough and you could find the difference, he thinks that all the data stored would be like a kilogram or less right now but the rate of data increase that we accumulate each year right now is like 25% not equating for exponential growth the technological singularity and how that's gonna ramp up so somebody did the math there and said it was no was Jason Georgiani who did the math on this. And he said, if you just keep the rate flat

at 25% per year of data increase across the globe, in 340 years, we are gonna have the mass of the moon on the surface of the earth in data stored on hard drives. What? Yeah, yeah. So like, and the way he, the way he like lays this all out, I'll try to do my best, is that the, if you look at the laws of thermodynamics,

like the two laws, one that energy can never be created or destroyed, and the other one, like entropy always increases over time. Entropy meaning disorder, it never goes down over time. Like hence the heat death of the universe will eventually happen. And so E equals MC squared, energy and mass are interconvertible.

And then there was this other dude, Claude Shannon, who came up the theory that data transmission with binary bits, ones and zeros, right? So if computers are bound by, tell me if you're losing, if I'm losing. No, no, no. If computers are bound by the laws of entropy and hard drives are bound by the laws of entropy, that means when a computer is blank, it's very low entropy because it's all ones or it's all zeros. When you add data, when you add a podcast to it,

it goes one zero, one zero, one zero. It's chaotic. Just from a pure physical perspective, it's high entropy. So what happens when you erase that hard drive? You have to, the energy has to go, has to leave. If it's mass on the hard drive, theoretically, if this guy's right, Liff Rolf Landauer's right, that data on the hard drive is mass. When you erase that, it has to go to energy outside of the hard drive, right? So he says, but if you crack open a hard drive, you can't see that mass, right?

It's invisible. It's electromagnetically indetectable. So he says, what other kind of mass do we know of that's electromagnetically indetectable? He said it's dark matter. So if mass is the same thing as information stored on a hard drive, that would mean not only is mass and energy interchangeable, but mass, energy, and information are interchangeable. Right? Information are interchangeable right so if if dark matter is mass you could then say that dark matter is a computational cloud of ones and zeros and our our

Consciousness is an interface to that that gives it meaning the same way a computer screen Gives meaning to all the ones and zeros on the hard drive The computer screen gives meaning to all the ones and zeros on the hard drive. Like you watch the video, it has meaning to it. So this is the concept that consciousness engages with matter and that is how matter exists. That it exists because you're observing it. Yeah, the only reason, yeah, consciousness is fundamental to an information processing system.

So instead of building up to, like what physicists, what people try to do is build up to consciousness from dead atoms, protons and neutrons, right? How do you get to consciousness from that? But if you think of this as like a computational cloud of ones and zeros and mass does equal information, well, that just means that our conscious, our consciousness is a way to interface and give this simulation meaning. And funny enough, that theory really reconciles well with shit like parapsychology and like Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance,

like when you solve one problem in one part of the world and then like somebody breaks a world record in this country and then five years, you know, a year later, five other people hit that same world record. It's like conserving energy, the processing system conserving energy. There's a guy, there's a scientist that he found computational code.

What did he, you know, you remember this guy, Jamie? That he believes that he found computational code that proves that like the universe is a simulation But this guy, uh, I tried to get him to come on the podcast But he said I was anti-science because the covet vaccine stuff. This is a few Few years back though. Maybe he's kind of woken up and changed his tune. I doubt it though A lot of people got indoctrinated That's anti-science like. That's anti-science. Like actual data is anti-science.

Do you, what is, who's data? Who's data are you going by? We could have a conversation about that if you like. I'll show you some things. You could have a great conversation. I think you've said everything. Have a seat, have a seat. Let's go over some studies.

Is this the dude? Yeah, that's the guy. So what was his, so this guy won't come on my show because he says I'm anti-science. Symmetry, super gravity, super string theory. But what is this discovery that he had? Oh, he's from Tampa? Oh, born in Tampa.

He found, what was the supposed discovery about the computational code? What did it say? Are we living in a computer simulation? This is James Gates. Theoretical physicist at the University of Maryland, auto-correcting codes. Click on that, Jamie, the Scientific American article. Oh, I just read it right from there, I guess. Explored mathematical structure of string theory specifically in the context of supersymmetry and has found

what he describes as error-correct correcting codes embedded within the equations. These codes are mathematical objects similar to those used in computer science for error detection and correction, such as in data transmission. While these findings are intriguing, it's important to note that they are not literal computer code, but rather mathematical structures that share similarities with coding theory. Yeah, it's important to learn that, but that's fucking crazy. Yeah, it is fucking crazy. All of it is crazy. But James Gates, as of I think two years ago,

wasn't willing to come on the podcast and talk about it. Yeah, if I had a dollar for every person who said they wouldn't come on my podcast because it's too pseudo-scientific, I would have like five dollars. Why not? Why not come on and illuminate people? Yeah, I had this, I don't want to say say who she is but like this lady who had this amazing book on like the

Greek weapons and Poisons that they used to use for war like they used to like drop scorpions over the amazing book like they used to light Pigs on fire and like send them towards elephants try to get the elephants to run away and like well throw bags of scorpions on People I'm like this fucking book is amazing. I need to get this lady. She's away and like throw bags of scorpions on people. I'm like, this fucking book is amazing. I need to get this lady. She's, we're not, we're not, we're not too, we're not, uh, academic enough, I guess, but I'm trying to get there.

Yeah. But what does that mean? What does it mean? We're just human beings having a conversation. You're the academic. Come in and tell me what you know. Yeah. What's the big deal?

Yeah. We know, but you do a great job of like having both sides in, which I think is really cool. Like you have like the crazy fringe people who are educated, self-educated, but are very smart in a certain way, and then other people who have the academic credentials to be a sounding board for that, and to see who's really full of shit.

Yeah, you have to have all, because there are some people that are, they're self-taught. They've essentially just read shit-tons of books, and they're brilliant people, and just because they're not classically educated, it doesn't mean they're incorrect. And there's only one way to find that out. Guys like Randall Carlson, he's a builder, okay?

But the knowledge that he has about the impact theory, the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, and what probably ended the Ice Age and shaped a great part of North America and how you could see it from space. And you can see when they look at the satellite imagery, it literally looks like things have been washed away. It looks like massive water erosion. Like you can see the ripples on the ground that are akin to what it looks like when the tide pulls back on the sand on a beach.

It all makes sense. And he knows so much about the actual science behind it and he was talking about this a long time ago. I met him in Georgia in Atlanta, that's where he's from. I met him in like 2003 or something like that, 2002, he was telling me about it back then. But back then they didn't have the core samples that showed that there was significant impact evidence that was around I think was 11,800 years ago and then again somewhere around 10,000 plus years ago So we I think we've been hit multiple times Mm-hmm, and I think he's a hundred percent right about that and I think Graham Hancock is a hundred percent onto something

He's all this ancient apocalypse stuff and the pushback against him is insane They throw every terrible phrase at him. They possibly can every pejorative Racist white supremacists all these crazy things. Yeah, I had Flint Dibble in my podcast. I'd be talked about it fascinating Yeah, he's great. I actually liked him. He's a nice guy. He's not calling you a racist. He's not in front of a keyboard Yeah, yeah, well he he you know, He's a nice guy. When he's not calling you a racist. When he's not in front of a keyboard. Yeah, well he, you know, he's an anxiety-filled academic who is, you know, fighting very hard to push his very specific view of things,

and he tries to silence other people that have opposing views, and the way he did it with Graham was really not cool. It was shitty, It was very shitty. Yeah, no, I think he had a lot of interesting, legitimate things to say about ancient Greeks and stuff like that, but when we got to this stuff, it was just like, where did that fucking dude

I was talking to 30 minutes ago go? He was just like, he was looking at this, and then all reason just flew out the window. He was like, what do you mean they couldn't do this? They stick a stone in there, they spin it around like this and then you can get this, it's really easily. How dare you say that the dynastic Egyptians weren't able to create these vases?

I'm like, you know, I was like proposing other theories that like, you know, Chris Dunn's, Jeffrey Drum's theories and wanted absolutely nothing to do with it. And like, you know. We don't know. This is the thing. That's the thing, exactly. If Christopher Dunn had been teaching this in the 1800s

and people had followed those theories and built upon them, and this was academic, like in universities, this was accepted, and this was what they were teaching, and they were studying this, then he would be saying that. They would all be saying that There's ample evidence that he's got a good point that Christopher done the model that he uses when he's describing

How he thinks that a that the great pyramid of Giza was a power plant is fascinating The the number when he's talking about the ratios that you would need for the width of the walls The surface is what the way the things are made, they would all work. He's an engineer. He's not a moron. He knows what he's talking about. If this guy was teaching this stuff a long time ago and it was accepted by universities, that would be what we're talking about today, would be speculating how they did it and what

they were doing and what they were doing it for. And if we had known in the 1800s that we regularly travel into a comet storm and that it happens, I think it's every June and November, we pass through the, you know, when we see it in the sky. We see meteor showers, you know, you see, oh, look at the sky, look at all the shooting stars. We're in a fucking shooting gallery, and occasionally one of those slams into the earth.

And when that stuff happens, we're fucked. And it's super likely that that happened multiple times during human history. And it's super likely that that's why there's all these structures that nobody can explain. That are somehow or another predate modern civilization. Like Gobekli Tepe, that fucked them all up. Because before Gobekli Tepe,

they had this 6,000 year model. Mesopotamia, Sumer, that's where it all started. Now they're like, well, maybe it's Turkey. Maybe Turkey was the birthplace. Jimmy Corsetti's been talking about this a lot. And I understand where they're coming from. I can see their point of view from the academics. Not that I would act like them or condone the way they act,

but when you spend your life. Flint, for example, I think think his parents were archaeologists named him Flint because of archaeology and like you spent your whole life mucking through these different places, excavating shit, digging up rocks or whatever he was doing never. And no one ever paid attention to you. And then you have Graham Hancock come in who was like personally fascinated by these things and dedicating his life to writing and researching on his own, but not accredited academically,

you can see how those guys would, how those academic guys would be super salty of somebody like that. I understand that. It's not an excuse for what he did, which I think was shitty. Right? Yeah, it's not an excuse.

I understand their perspective, but it's ego-driven. If we really were interested, you would take these heterodox scientists and you'd bring them in. And you would say, like, what do you, like, they're studying data. Guys like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson, they're studying these things.

Graham was just in Iraq. He just was going over there to look at, like, ancient Sumerian stuff. You know, he sent me some photos of his trip. He said it was fascinating. Wow. Yeah, these structures are incredible and they don't really understand them.

We really don't. We don't even know who really built the Aztec temples. You know, I was reading about Tenochtitlan. They found it. The Aztecs found that there and they don't even know who built it. There's a bunch of those things. They're like a previous civilization existed in the same place,

fascinating discoveries, figured out how to do agriculture, figured out how to make grids in cities, and make these incredible stone structures that are cosmologically connected somehow. And then they went away. All over the world, all over the world. There's people reinvent civilization, the places where these ancient structures exist

and even build upon them, they build over them. Yeah, I think there's probably so much shit that people were able to do in antiquity and way before that, that would seem like magic to us today. Like kind of like getting back to what we were talking about with our senses that we don't really have today that probably have atrophied over millennia. Like your fart theory, which is amazing.

You remember your fart theory? Oh, how's that going again? Imagine if somebody farted and you didn't have a nose and you had to develop this nose that enables you to survive and smell predators. Right, you'd have no idea. You'd have no idea you're sitting there bathing in somebody's fart.

Right. So like dogs, dogs and cats, when they go into weird houses and they notice some sort of weird energy, people describe energy in a house, like this feels off, like what is that? Like is there something that really is there that we just don't have the organs anymore to detect

or something in our brain that has atrophied over thousands of years that have stopped us being able to detect this stuff? Well think about how birds can, they can figure out a way to travel like super accurately through the sky, but drawn by the magnetic force of the Earth. Yeah, yeah.

They have somehow or another, they can figure out a way to navigate with the Earth's magnetic field. We don't even understand it. But they do it, they migrate successfully every year. We know they do it. That's a sense that they have that we don't even understand it. But they do it, they migrate successfully every year. We know they do it. That's a sense that they have that we don't have. Like it's probably a fucking shit ton of, there's probably a bunch of things going on in the world that we're not interacting with because we don't have the senses for.

Right. Yeah. And you know, one of the things that I've been like really interested in lately is this I mean people talk about this ability to like download information like in the UFO world You know that people talk about oh, I got this from a download or something like that I'm talking about like I have an antenna I can connect to something but like For me like that connected when I first heard about people talking about that, I always thought that that was the muse. You have this sort of antenna in your head

that connects you to creativity and gives you the ability to just create shit out of thin air. And I feel like, with people I've observed over my lifetime, I feel like that peaks at've observed over my lifetime, I feel like that peaks at an early age, right? Before you get older and before you start the burden of the responsibilities of life and all these mundane things in your life

start to compile on and you trade your dreams for securities, that spark starts to go away, you know? And like that could easily be described as something magical if it was way more powerful thousands of years ago. Like I really noticed this the other day. So I was, the other day I was hanging out with Kirk, the lead guitarist for Metallica.

And he was, for some reason, I don't know why, but he likes my show. And we were just like, you got a great show. We were talking, thank you, I appreciate it. It's weird, I don't know why, but he likes my show. And we were just like, you got a great show. We were talking, thank you, I appreciate it. It's weird, I feel like an imposter. That's good, that's why you're good at it. But he loves this stuff.

The dude's like, he's in his 60s, like early 60s, and he's fucking obsessed with all of these topics that you cover, I cover, a lot of people cover, and he's like, at the same time, the dude has like got this crazy spark where he's so inspired to do shit and like still creating new music and like coming up with new riffs and wanting to do more things where like,

I've never met a dude like that, who's had so much success, toured everywhere for the last 40 years, being the number one metal band in the world, basically, and still like wanting to learn stuff. The dude was trying to translate ancient Greek music for his guitar and trying to figure out how to play this stuff. He can't figure it out.

And he was telling me, he's like, dude, I think this wasn't recreational. He's like, I think this music was magical. He's like, I think they were performing magic. He thinks it was like religious medical rights they were performing with music. It wasn't supposed to be entertainment back in the day. Well, there is this weird connection

with music and psychedelics where music can sort of it it changes the trip like if you listen to do you know when Icaros are no Icaros are these hook it up Jamie Icaros are these South American songs that they play while you're doing ayahuasca and if you do DMT and listen to these things they take over the trip and the song the the trip moves with the song in harmony like exactly it's not like the trip is chaotic and you hear the songs and these songs are like a technology to move the trip.

It's really fascinating because you listen to the songs and you're like, well, what are these things? Like, what are they trying to do with these things? They sound kind of weird, but when you listen to these songs while you're tripping, it makes the trip dance. It makes the geometric pattern. trip dance. Yeah. So you are lying on the floor. It's Costa Rica. You're lying on a yoga mat in the jungle with a bunch of 40 year old ladies with boob jobs trying to get their life

together. Tech entrepreneurs, tech entrepreneurs, Navy SEALs. Yeah. And you just threw up. You have horrible diarrhea. And this trip just starts coming on. I think I just found Jesus. Give me a little more, something that would add a little more beat to it.

I got some on my phone. I heard the one that you had Luke on recently, Luke Averns. He's great. He had a great little clip that he played. Here we go. I got some on my phone. I heard the one that you had Luke on recently, Luke Caverns. He's great. He had a great little clip that he played. Here we go, this is my favorite one. ["Sick of It"] They dance.

They dance to this song while they're tripping. While they're tripping balls? You know, the psychedelic experience dances to this song. Oh. When you're lying there with your eyes closed. You know, the psychedelic experience dances to this song. When you're lying there with your eyes closed, and the whole time it's like synchronized together and the whole time it's doing it's like a method for showing you more things. And as you go through it with the music, there's something comforting in the pattern of the music and the way it dances to the music that allows you to relax and

unveils more and more of itself it's very trippy and the fact that these guys figure this out how'd you figure this out yeah man there's what he's put your your friend is probably right the Metallica guy's probably right yeah it's probably they were probably that music probably synchronized with the trips Yeah, they were doing the illucidia mysteries That's what's it Yeah when I went to their concert in Tampa the other day and I was walking and I made me regret not going to more concerts when

I was younger but like being in that stadium the the Buck Stadium Where there was 90,000 people every seat in that arena was full and here don't don't don't don't don't Every seat in that arena was full. Ride the lightning, bitch. Whoa! That's so dangerous. Dude, being there with 90,000 people, the light, the thundering electric guitars, and the fire, the pyrotechnics, and all those people like focusing,

like all 90,000 people people every atom in their body is Vibrating at the same frequency. Yeah, and it just like that it's like magic Yeah penetrates every fiber of your being and if I was a dude from 2,000 years ago I took a time machine to that Metallica concert. Those dudes are gods, right? They're fucking gods I think that's what the hallucinating mysteries probably was. Well, they probably had music that That enhanced the trip it probably guided the trip. They probably learned how to do it while they were tripping Mm-hmm, like they figured out so much they figured out democracy. They started so much of what we think of as like Western government. Yeah, and the scientific method democracy all this stuff

Tripping balls and then the Romans came along to put it stop. Yeah We're here to make slaves. How do you fucking people? We don't want you tripping, right? Yeah, that was uh, yeah, they killed they killed a lewis and like what 400 ad I think well They did exactly the same things the Nixon administration did to psychedelics in this country They're like, oh, this is a problem when they were turning everything everything schedule one to try to stop the anti-war movement and the civil rights movement, that's the exact same thing. Like, governments, when they get to a certain position of power, they're not representing the people anymore. Now they're the fucking jackbooted thugs that tell you what you can and can't do based on how inconvenient it is for you

to be doing that for them running things. Right, yeah, it's just, it's terrible. It's the opposite of what it should be. It's the opposite of what got us here, I think, bro. Yes, we're too big now. There's too many of us. That's part of the problem. It's like you wanna govern 330 million people

plus Mexicans, good luck. I had this dude on my show, speaking of the academic, the strife between the academics and the self-taught online people, influencers, whatever you wanna call them. This dude was, he was kicked out of his university for, first of all, he wrote a dissertation on ancient pharmacy, the Roman pharmacy and Greek pharmacy.

And it was a dissertation based on this guy named Galen, who was like the surgeon general of ancient Rome. And he had a chapter in his dissertation, his PhD dissertation about recreational drugs in Rome. And the head of the department reviewed his dissertation and said, everything looks great. Delete the section on recreational drugs in ancient Rome. So he's like, okay, why?

They're like, because the Romans wouldn't do such thing. So he's like, okay, why? They're like, cause the Romans wouldn't do such thing. So he's like, okay, he deleted it and then submitted it, got his PhD. And then wrote a book based on that part of the dissertation that he left out, which the book was called the Chemical Muse. And I learned about this from Hamilton Morris.

He did a podcast with the dude first. And I read that book and he was basically making the case that drugs were ubiquitous in antiquity during the Roman first. And I read that book and you know he was basically making the case that drugs were ubiquitous in antiquity during the Roman times. Like they were being used for everything because people were not dying from old age. They were dying from war, hand to hand combat, famine, plague, infection, all these things, infection. So like people were constantly using drugs and there was a law in ancient Rome that he said there was only one law when it came to using drugs, and that was that you were not allowed to kill people with drugs.

You were not allowed to murder people, which is why Marcus Aurelius was using this drug compound called a theriac. And the theriac was a concoction of like, 11 different North African vipers, their flesh and their venom, combined with opium and all kinds of like, body, bodily fluids. And he was using this as like a performance enhancing drug.

Whoa. Because people were trying to assassinate him with poisons. That's how they assassinated people. They were using scorpions, poisons, arrows, all different kinds of weird things to sneak in and kill him. So he was drinking this theriac to build up his immune system against the venom,

against the venoms. And dude, this dude Galen who wrote about this shit, he was talking about giving, he was Marcus Aurelius' physician. And he was like, Marcus Aurelius, he's like, it's getting ridiculous, it's getting annoying. I keep having to up his opium dose. He keeps using more and more fucking opium,

I can't get him off of it. Oh my God. And so Galen, the physician, the surgeon general of the Roman Empire under Marcus Aurelius, and Nero, I think, basically equates to 10% of all the Greek literature from antiquity, 10% of it is medical. And this dude that wrote this dissertation

based at all of Galen is talking about all these drug compounds that are used in all the literature. So what he does is he looks at all the ancient literature from Homer to, you know, like 800, to like the time that Beowulf was written basically, 80. And he's like finding all of this evidence of crazy drug use. And he has this crazy theory also that,

I don't know if it's crazy, I don't know. The problem with talking to people like them, like him, is that I don't know ancient Greek, I can't read it. And I've tried to have like four or five academics come on the show to refute him, but they won't come on with him. They all refuse to debate him, except for one guy. Interesting with him. They all refuse to debate him except for one guy.

Interesting. Why? Yeah, because he's saying Christ is a drug. Oh, I saw that video. Oh, you saw the whole thing? No, I saw that video pop up on my YouTube. My Danny Jones is going crazy. What is he doing? Christ is a drug? But that's also what John Marco Allegro alleges. Kind of. Sort of.

Well, he said that the ancient Sumerian word for a mushroom, no, for Christ is a mushroom that's covered in God's semen. Yeah. Because the mushrooms would come out of the ground and they thought the rain was God coming on the earth and that's what gave life to the earth. And then they would take these mushrooms and see God. Right. Yeah, I don't know much about John Marco Allegro, but I think that I read his book,

the Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. He was using Sumerian roots or something to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls. But this guy's basically saying the word Christ, the root of the word Christ is Hrio in Greek, right? And it was used since Homer. And there's all these passages, which this dude sent me. I literally, I call him all the time and I ask him,

I'm like, I need more evidence, send me more shit. And he sends me passages from like ancient literature, Homer, that's translated with the English directly under it. And they're using this word, Christ, as a term for applying drugs to people in antiquity. Whoa. Like Christing arrows with poisons, right? It's like, and-

In what year was this where they were doing this? Back all the way to like 800 BC, it was when Homer starts using it. So they're using this term before Christ. Way before Christ. It was well, so to be clear, in antiquity, if you look it up on the thesaurus, the actual Greek thesaurus, it's called the TLG, and you look up the word Christ, there's over 200,000 or more uses

of the word Christ. And there's like 350 times where it's used in the context of drugs before Jesus Christ is ever written about. Whoa. before Jesus Christ is ever written about. And what he's basically claiming is that there's like, it's the process of applying something. Like there's different contexts. Like there's a guy who like Christed himself in fucking cow shit. There's people who are Christing ships with plaster to make them more waterproof, but there's a vast majority of literature, including Galen, who writes about Christing using drugs.

And he's coming up with this controversial theory, which is, you know, super fucking controversial, that Christ was like, if you think of the word Christ, a person can be a Christer, like a Christ. Like think of Bob the Builder, he's a builder. He builds shit. Christ was, they called him Jesus the Christ. So he thinks Christ was somebody who was involved

with drugs, taking drugs, giving people drugs. A shaman. Performing magic like a shaman. Yeah, exactly, similar to that. And like. By the way, a real shaman would say all the things that Jesus said. Yes.

That's true. That's a good point. So and it gets like, it gets way weirder, bro. And again, like I, this is all according to him. I don't know if any of this is real. I just find it fucking fascinating. And I wish I could find somebody who really knows the Greek to debate this dude and call him out in his bullshit

But I can't the only person I found was an exorcist who's done like Exorcist that sounds like a scam and a half and he came in and they were just arguing about it for a little while And the guy tried to baptize me with holy oil and you know, I got into an argument with him about drugs He tried to baptize you. Yeah, he brought holy holy oil and he tried to baptize me with the holy oil and you know I got into an argument with him about drugs. He tried to baptize you? Yeah he brought holy holy oil and he tried to baptize me with the holy oil. Do you say why he was doing this? Because he thinks that I he thinks that Satan is inside of me. Of you? Of me, yeah, and which he might be. What evidence did he have that Satan was inside of you? Because I like to consume drugs recreationally and I was telling him, if Satan is drugs,

if I can smoke marijuana and it's prescribed by a doctor, is it still Satan? He goes, no, don't play those games with me. And I'm like, well, how come every time I get really, really fucking bombed, I think about things like spending more times with my kids, things like good things. And he's like, don't try to patronize me,

you know what it is. It's the devil He's a fool. Oh, yeah, that's like that's a problem like this guy's a show It's a show a showman. Well cannabis was used in churches They used to you know that incense where they would go around they wouldn't that was cannabis they would use that right? They would get everybody in the church high and fumigate. Yeah, they would literally hotbox the church Uh-huh. I mean, This is a part of this whole ritual of giving in to Christ, giving in to God. The idea that it's bad because some people have bad experiences, man, you could apply that to almost anything. I think marijuana

makes people more compassionate, kinder, more sensitive, but also paranoid. You could freak out. If you're riddled with anxiety and you have a hard time controlling that anxiety in your mind and you take a high dose of marijuana, you could freak out. It's also connected to schizophrenia. Because I think there's people that have a tendency towards schizophrenia anyway, and then a large dose of marijuana tends to give them psychotic breaks. There's like real literature.

There's real, real evidence of that. So this is like important that if you're a person who thinks that marijuana is overall net positive, which I do, it's important to talk about the negatives just like everything else like alcohol, food, everything. There's a lot of different things that if you do, if you drink too much water, you'll fucking die. Okay. Right. There's a lot of things that aren if you do, if you drink too much water, you'll fucking die, okay? There's a lot of things that aren't good for you

under certain circumstances, but the only way we know how to do it and how not to do it is to do studies. And when it's illegal and you're terrified, you can go to jail, or if you're an academic and you wanna study this as your main, you just get dismissed. It could be career suicide. Right.

So these people are foolish. Yeah, and that's the problem. Like, this was the only dude I could get to agree to come sit with him because this guy had a YouTube channel and he wanted to promote himself and all this stuff. But like a lot of the academics, I talked to a lot of Harvard philologists to try to come debate this guy.

And like the philologists, like there's a difference between a linguist, which I think Marco Allegro was and a philologist where the linguists look at the actual like the complexities of the text itself and the language but the philologist what they do is they're looking for context so like they what they do is they take words and they try to figure out what these specific words meant in certain time periods so So they take a word, take their time machine back, let's take it back to 200 BC, 100 BC, whatever it is. And they say, okay, let's just use the example of the word freo, Christ.

Let's look at all of the corpus of all the fucking literature that existed in the Library of Alexandria. There was ancient comedy, ancient plays. What did you say there, the word freo, what did you say? Freo. Freo? Freo, yeah, that's the- Creo. There was ancient comedy, ancient plays. What did you say there? The word free, what did you say? Hrio. Hrio?

Hrio, yeah, that's the- Hrio. It's spelled X-R-I-O, but it's pronounced like hrio, hrio. And that was the original word for Christ? The original word for Christ is hrio, yeah. And I've had people confirm this with me. And I recently had a fucking scholar on the show, a religious scholar who turned atheist, weirdly enough.

He started out Christian and turned atheist. And he was telling me, he was like, I'd be surprised if the word creo was ever used before Christ. And I literally pulled up the source of Euripides talking about using Christing drugs in like, I think it was 200 BC and the dude was like blown away. Mm, so he didn't know that.

He didn't know it. And this dude's like a serious academic. So this guy that you had on your podcast, what is his name again, the crisis drug guy? Amin Hillman. Amin Hillman. Yeah. And he's a legit scholar.

He's a legit scholar, PhD. And other legit scholars are unwilling to even entertain this? Yes. I've talked to many of them on the phone, and a lot of them say they don't want to give him I won't name the people but one of them said that they they just don't want to give him the platform or the credibility of being in the same room other people say that it would just take too much time

for them to prep for it and I just think it's a bull I just think it's bullshit like I this is the only way to get to the truth is to hear like a credible person dismantle his argument, right? So like I have it. I just keep falling deeper and deeper into this rabbit hole of all this crazy ancient Greek shit and like you know he's talking about ancient like vaccines that they were using like similar to what we're talking about the Theriac. He says that there's text that talks about cutting kids, cutting children, soaking bandages in drug and snake venoms and wrapping the cut with a snake venom

so that the young person would create antibodies because they have more robust immune systems because they're younger. And they would use the kid's bodily fluid as fucking vaccines to snake bites. Yeah. Oh, they're making kids into vaccine factories? They were turning kids into vaccine factories.

So that they get snake venom? Because everyone was getting bitten by snakes back then. Of course. And then they would take drugs too. Like they would, I'm sure they would take psychotropic drugs that would, and they would call them death inducing drugs where they would have snake venoms. They would like take snake venom drugs that if you don't have an antidote for it, an antichrist for it, that you would die.

So you have to take this antidote so you don't die from the fucking drug you just drank. Right? These antidotes. And like, he connects this all to Jesus in this elaborate way. Where there's Mark 1453, where Jesus is caught in the garden of Gethsemane with the naked boy, right?

And then there's a scene of the young boy running away, naked, right? When the Roman SWAT team pulls up on him and then the little kid runs away and he goes, I'm not a trafficker, I'm not a robber, whatever the word leis deus means, means like pirate trafficker robber. And then they take him and then he's on the cross the next day and he's like screaming out like dying of thirst in between two traffickers and he's asking and there's this dude known as who writes about this scene specifically in ancient greek and he talks about them giving trying to give him the sponge and he's denying the sponge right so the sponge known as is writing about this that the sponge, right? So the sponge, Nonus is writing about this, that the sponge is the andito don't to the dip sauce, which is the antidote to the North African viper. But he's

refusing to take the antidote. He's just dying because he took this death inducer at 4 a.m. in the park in the garden of Gethsemane. And now he's just going to let himself die on the cross. So like, yeah, there's that. I don't know what to make of any of it. Make of this stuff. I just, you know, I hear people saying that it's all bullshit, but like, fuck, is it interesting? Well, bizarre that they use the term Christ before Christ. Yeah. Just bizarre.

It's been used, yeah, you can look it up. It's used all throughout Homer, Euripides, all these other authors. Like, there's, like, again, getting back to the philology stuff. The philologists, they go back in time and they look at the context of all of other authors. Like there's, like again, getting back to the philology stuff, the philologists, they go back in time and they look at the context of all of the literature, not just the biblical canon,

which is like a narrow lane of ancient literature, right? But they're looking at the philosophy, the legal texts, the medical texts, everything, and saying, okay, let's take this word, look where it's used in all of these different texts, everything, and saying, okay, let's take this word, look where it's used in all of these different texts throughout all kinds of professions, and see what the consensus is of what it meant

during that time period. And what he's claiming is that the fucking word Christ meant drugs back then. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa. Pretty bananas. Well, it's so hard to know what all that stuff was about.

It's so hard to know why these people wrote these things down. You know, when I had Wes Huff on, one of the things he talked about is the Book of Isaiah. When you see it in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and then a thousand years later, it's verbatim. A thousand years after the Dead Sea Scroll, the version that they find in the Book of Isaiah is word for word. Really? Yeah. a thousand years after the Dead Sea Scroll the version that they find in the book of Isaiah is word-for-word Really? Yeah a thousand years like what were they trying to document? Like what were the original stories because like human beings are not a good source of information especially back then It's just too hard to be

Accountable why would you be honest people make grandiose claims they exaggerate we see it today It was like with humans today are the same as humans back then we're flawed Why would you be honest? People make grandiose claims. They exaggerate. We see it today. It was like, humans today are the same as humans back then. We're flawed. So we know today that our versions of history are deeply biased. Our versions of world events, our versions of, I mean, if the United States government could write

the story about the invasion of Iraq without investigative journalists, right? What would be the story? And this is part of the problems. Like we don't really know what they were trying to say. It was an oral history for who knows how long before they ever wrote down the Old Testament. Yeah. And it got redacted and added to over time. There's like all kinds of weird secret gospels, secret gospel of Mark. They claim that this dude Morton Smith came up with, which was similar to Ammon's theories. But then people say, oh, that's a forgery.

That's a forgery. The secret gospel of Mark's a forgery. He fucking knew Greek really well, and he knew the culture really well and all the cults. And like, dude, like, you know, even like the mysteries of the hospitals in ancient Rome, like the temples of Asclepius and doing all those rituals in the temples of Asclepius using medicine and drugs simultaneously

and these venoms and all this stuff, it's interesting to learn, you know, and especially when you compare that stuff to the biblical stuff, you know, like how much has it been changed? How much has the meaning been changed? And like the people, most of the academics who study this stuff are maybe not most of them,

but a large majority, a large percentage of them, I think that I've talked to. They're religious scholars, scholars of them, I think, that I've talked to. They're religious scholars, scholars of the Bible and Christianity, but they also subscribe to Christianity. You know? So I'm like, is that like a, it's weird that there's kind of like a built-in bias into this stuff. You kind of want this stuff to mean something. You know what I'm saying? Yes, for sure. That was what was interesting about Allegro. John Marco Allegro was an ordained minister who, once he became a theologian, once he studied theology, he started to have agnostic at the time. So he had already decided, and through his study of all these different religions,

that maybe he wouldn't subscribe to any of them and leave an open mind. So he was the only person on the commission that was deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls. Over a period of like 14 million, or 14 years rather, he studied this stuff. He was the only one who was agnostic. And again, his claims are widely dismissed by many, many people.

But I think... Yeah, this dude Ahman thinks he's full of shit. Does he? What does he think? He just, he, he, he was like, came up under this, under like some of the top classical scholars of like modern times. One of those dudes is Karl Ruck. He wrote The Road to Eleusis.

And this other guy is John Scarborough, who's dead now, and for some reason, none of them, whenever I ask them about Allegro, they're like, I don't fucking know. They don't pay attention to it for some reason. Well, I think you would have to be a real scholar in biblical languages to even understand what the fuck he's saying.

Yeah. And to be able to translate ancient Sumer. Yeah. Ancient Sumerian, like according to Wes Huff, he's like, I tried, I couldn't even figure it out. Also, how does ancient Sumerian connect to Hebrew? Right. Is there any correlation between ancient Sumerian

and ancient Hebrew? Do they share any roots? Is there any, are there any bridges that connect those two languages? I have no idea. I don't know either. But you know, you're dealing with, if it really goes back that far, so if he's talking

about this term from ancient Sumer, where they are calling it a drug, they're saying it's a mushroom, and this is from 5,000 years ago, 6,000 years ago, you know, you're predating the Bible by a long stretch. And how old was that? I mean, if they're right about Turkey, and Turkey was the original civilization, when is that? Is that 12,000 years ago? What is the real date of Egypt? What is the real date of the original structures of Egypt? Do they know? We're told it's 2,500 BC for the Great Pyramid, but boy, there's a lot of people that don't

agree with that, including geologists. When you get guys like Robert Shock who say this water erosion is thousands of years of rainfall. Last time you had a heavy rainfall in the Nile Valley, you're looking at 9,000 years ago. So you have thousands of years of rainfall before 9,000 years ago that's going to create this kind of erosion. And so it's hard to know, because everybody

wants to be right. And they all have this date that they've been talking about and writing books about and giving lectures about. They never want to revise that. They gatekeep that information until the date. They never want to have an open mind and say, perhaps there is evidence, of course, that there was a sophisticated civilization there, 2500 BC, but maybe they were a part of a very old civilization.

And this is the Zeptepi thing that Zawi Hawass was totally ignorant of. And he thought it was just completely bullshit. And this is the King's List that goes back 30,000 years that they talk about. And the way Egyptologists that are conventional thinkers, they think that it's mythology. They think that's myth. But you know, you get to about 2500 BC, that's all real. Well, how the fuck do you know? Right, they don't.

You don't. And also, if there was an advanced civilization 11,800 years ago that was able to create Gobekli Tepe, which we know now to be true, what else have we not found? Was it a breakaway civilization? Did they escape the Earth and go to the moon? Right. Right?

Like they're trying to do now? Or was it just that they had achieved a very high level of sophistication in technology that's very different from the path that we took? Right. Totally. That's what I think. I think the path that they took involved immense stone

structures, cosmology, they probably didn't have internal combustion engines, they probably had a completely different kind of technology that we wouldn't even think of because we went in this internal combustion engine, plastic, microchip, electricity, we went into that direction. But you could imagine primitive man evolving to create technology that's far different than the way we went. Yeah, do you think we might have cracked that somewhere? Like in some deep black programs that we could have that they wouldn't want to unleash that on society because it could like fuck up the economic system or like collapse the world.

I know Jesse and Michael's believes that there's gravity technology that they were researching in the 1960s and that they'd achieve some sort of breakthrough propulsion system that is probably a lot of what you see when you see these UAPs and these crafts that move in very strange ways. That makes sense to me. And again, the idea that they couldn't keep that secret, shut the fuck up. Of course they could. Right. Of course they could. There's this lady, Catherine Fitz the she was the head of the department

of HUD under George Bush and they brought her in after like the mortgage crisis to like figure out how to like re-stabilize the economy and what the banks were doing and all this stuff and she was looking at like missing money and she found that there was like when she when she applied her knowledge of mathematics and like what's going on with like the the federal budget and where all the money's going she said the most reasonable explanation how there's like 21 trillion dollars missing from the DOD mm-hmm the day before 9-11 Donald R Rumsfeld was like, there's like two, two and a half trillion dollars, whatever it was. Now that's ballooned to like 21 trillion dollars and she thinks that, you know, pull up the

spreadsheet, see where that money went. Oh, it's not on the receipt. I don't know where it went. She thinks it went to like black budget shit, like military, black military technology like anti-gravity and she thinks that Mr. Global whoever that is the bankers the central bankers are literally using all of that money and funneling it into black projects to create a breakaway civilization in case there's like some sort of catastrophe on earth or something happens. Oh god. And like where are they doing this? They're doing this at fucking Lockheed Martin. I don't know. Underground or something happens. Oh, God. And like... Where are they doing this? They're doing this at fucking Lockheed Martin.

I have no idea. Underground or something? Maybe. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's another thing she says. She says there's a lot of money that's going into building all these underground bases, continuity of government, tunnel systems, all this stuff.

And I'm looking at this, I'm like, she legit worked under the Bush administration. She was like a financial genius. Right, but she could be a kook. She could be. Yeah, that's the problem. People are super intelligent, but also crazy. Yeah. And also had a prominent position in government,

but also crazy. Yeah. I guess there's a lot of really intelligent people that are super crazy. And does she physically, has she been to these places? Like, how does she know that they're real? Does she know, has she talked to someone that explained this breakaway civilization thing

or is it just a theory? She's friends with the dude who wrote the book that's titled Swastika's Psiops and Saucers. What? Yeah. What's that book about? How the Nazis are controlling UFOs and Psiops and controlling the world and you know, playing the world like it's their fucking

docu drama and and recreating reality and inventing all this crazy off-world stuff and how Roswell was Soviet Union crashing stuff here and basically it's all Nazi black budget stuff I think is like the the main point that they dismissed the idea that we're visited at all by something from somewhere else. I Mean, what do you mean? Who who like these people that think that it's all Nazi stuff and Soviet Union stuff I don't think that they're saying it's all that but they're probably saying I haven't read all his books But I think he's saying when he wrote that book. It was probably all Nazis no aliens But now I'm sure his points, his views have evolved on it.

That's part of the problem too. It's like, you know, when you see these reports, whenever I see like a story that's in the New York Times where the Pentagon is admitting we have, you know, there's been off world crafts and all these different things and you get these David Grush guys that are testifying about that we've recovered crashed vehicles. It's like How much of that is a Psyop? I think most of it. I think a lot of it Yeah, I don't even know if it's if they know it's a Psyop But if I was the government and I was working on top secret propulsion systems The first thing I would do is spread a bunch of fake rumors about UFOs. Yes. This is how we can't explain it

We don't know we're being visited with their super intelligent. We don know where they're from. We don't know how they're doing this Yeah And then you have an explanation for why these people are seeing these things in the sky when it's really just your shit that You're flying around. Mm-hmm But yet if you listen to Jacques Vallee and you read any of his books He's got these stories that people were telling from the 1700s and the 1800s that mirror almost exactly the experiences that people are having today. That's where it gets weird because okay now you're predating any possibility of this being modern technology you know that is just hidden and tucked

away. They couldn't have done that in the 1700s. There's no way. They didn't even have airplanes yet right? Okay so if we admit that Then we have to go. Okay. Well what what's going on? Then are we is there something else here that's here that's been here forever like some people think or are we looking at? Something that's visiting us and keeping an eye on us from somewhere else. That's where it's fun That part that's the fun one. The fun one is not that it's ours The fun one is that we're being visited. Yeah, like and Are we being visited or did they just live under the oceans? Right?

You know like have they been here fucking forever and like, you know, there's this case Richard Dolan came on my show recently and he was telling me he wrote this new book about all the underwater cases ever documented The underwater UFOs, USOs. And there's one from like the early 1700s, where there was this like ship sailing across the Pacific and this giant glowing orb came out of the ocean. And these sailors all wrote about it, how this massive like football stadium size glowing orb

came up out of the ocean and flew away. How much of the ocean have we explored? Very small percentage. Very small amount. We've explored more of the moon, I think. And it would be the perfect base. If you wanted to come here and observe human beings without them being able to see what's going on,

that's the best place to hide, because no one's going there. They don't have the capability of going there. We have submarines, but what mean, what are the, I mean, if the submarines see things, did they tell us? Yeah. Like if the submarine saw a UFO underwater, would they have a press conference?

Right, exactly. No. We know about the nuclear bases above ground because those guys have come out and talked about it, but like all of the nuclear submarines that are patrolling the oceans at all times, like right off of our coast off both coasts like if they're carrying multiple nuclear warheads i'm sure they're seeing something or they're detecting something there well there's this one video something that was moving 500 knots under

the water like this thing that like flew by their camera they don't on the sub yeah i was i forget where it was being recorded but it was a video of something that was like a beam of light that shot through the screen. Like you could see it moving underwater at this insane rate of speed with no ripples, no disruption of the water, just moving through the water. And then there's these transmedium videos. These videos of these things flying. They go into the water with no then there's these transmedium videos, these videos of these things flying,

they go into the water with no splash, no nothing, and they don't lose any momentum. Yeah, I think the best evidence that those things have been here forever is probably like ancient stories, biblical stories, like aliens, or like angels and demons stuff, like before the, yeah, Ezekiel too, right? Ezekiel in the Bible, that story's nuts, the wheel within a wheel the way is describing like

What are you saying right and imagine there's you've no context? Yeah, imagine seeing something that's floating some geometric pattern that's hovering in the sky above your head and emitting light and trying to Explain this and then also going back and trying to remember exactly what you saw because you're probably freaking the fuck out You really do have some sort of an encounter with some orb that's flying in the sky How do you even describe it? Mm-hmm? What context you put it in? Do you describe it as an alien? Do you scribe it as an angel? Do you think it's God? Like what do you think it is right or is it drugs as drugs? Yeah I'm sure drugs play a part of it. Well, then there's like James Fox's Alien from the Varginha.

Oh yeah. What smelled like sulfur. Right. And there's biblical accounts of demons smelling like sulfur and having cloven feet. So did that exactly describe that being in James's documentary. Right. The hospital smelled like sulfur for like a week after they said. And the guy who was handling it died of a horrible infection.

This is all documented. The guy who picked up the alien, put it in his squad car, took it to a hospital, that hospital wouldn't deal with it, took it to another hospital, and then that guy dies of a horrible bacterial infection that they can't cure with antibiotics. Yeah, that's fucking nuts, dude. Fucking nuts, and then all the people,

the eye witnesses that were there that saw the thing, and when he brings the police officer to the site of the crash the officer starts Weeping uncontrollably. Yeah, we're counting the story unless that guy's the greatest actor of all time, right? What is going on? There's the story where he walked up to the guy's house and the guy like pulled a gun on he's like you guys come any Closer I'm shooting you. Yeah Yeah, it's weird shit It's weird dude, and it's weird that like everyone's trying to paint their own narrative

There's different groups competing on like how they want to paint the UFO thing, right? You have like different camps of people like in the government or in media I don't know what the difference is and there's guys like you and I that are basically useful idiots Yeah, exactly come on our podcast and talk a lot of shit. I don't know Figure it out folks. Yeah, we're feds. We're feds. We got the Palantir honey trap over here. Like, what is that thing that things all fill with Pegasus? Palantir, bro.

They're reading every single one of your little jot downs that you put on that. Yeah, who knows? But if you did have some sort of like infinitely superior technology and you've had it for a long time, when do you, if ever, let the public know? And how do you do it? That too. Right. If you're the guy, right?

Like how many, I don't know how many people know all the secrets, right? If there is a handful of dudes, how do you go about living your life when you're that dude and when you know like shit that can change the face of humanity forever? How do you go home to your wife and kids? Right? Is it like, are you living in that show, what's the show where they go up in the elevator and it wipes their mind?

Oh, Severance. Severance, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it like that? Do they have real life severance? That I don't think so. No, I think they just rely on these people being secret. And you know, there's the thing about Bob Lazar story. You know, Bob Lazar lost his job

because his wife was cheating on him. Cause his wife thought that, you know, he couldn't tell her what he was doing. So when he was flying off to S4, he would say, I gotta go to work. And she's like, at 11 o'clock at night, on a Friday, get the fuck out of here. So she starts fucking this other guy.

And they were listening to his phone calls. So they had his phone tapped. And because his wife was having an affair, he was deemed to be at a risk of being emotionally unstable So they released him and so then he's like this is bullshit and he starts telling people you know We're working on UFOs. They have a crashed UFO. I saw it they fly it every Wednesday or whatever it was come I'll show you yeah and so he brings people out to the test site where they can observe from one of the mountains and

Then he gets arrested and then he goes public so that he doesn't get killed. This is his justification of it all. Yeah I used to think Bob Lazar was full of shit but I've come around on it I don't think that anymore. After learning more about all like the disinformation and all the all the time and money they put into just confusing people like the Paul Benowitz story you know I think it's he would be the perfect candidate candidate to recruit just because of his background like you know His first wife committed suicide he ran a brothel There was a nut he was a nutcase and he was also a perfect person

He's perfectly they could they could deny him so easily like look at this dude's background You think we would hire this dude and also a legitimate genius, right? I mean the guy put a rocket engine on a Honda in like 1985 Yeah I mean the guy put a rocket engine on a Honda in like 1985 Yeah It was a nut he converted his Corvette to a hydrogen engine Yeah, and like, you know, I think it was the 90s. He did that He had a hydrogen powered Corvette that he engineered himself See if you can find Bob Lazar's hydrogen powered Corvette, he was a nut, you know, but he doesn't seem like a liar and

The pocket obviously resonates with people because I think the podcast I had with him on YouTube is the most viewed podcast that we've ever had including Donald Trump Really is that true? Jamie? No, who's number one? Donny beat him. Who's number one? Elon first you want one. Okay, that was one when he Elon podcast. Elon, first Elon's number one. Elon, okay. That was the one when he smoked weed. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the thing. The smoking weed really took it over the top.

That was a good moment. That was a good moment. Do you smoke on all podcasts? No. No? Just certain ones, just certain ones. Yeah, so this is Bob Lazar's hydrogen-powered Corvette. That's amazing.

What a fucking kook. It's beautiful. What a kook, I mean who fucking did that This guy created a hydrogen powered Corvette and that's an old-ass Corvette to the shitty one in the 90s If you're throwing shit at the wall trying to figure out a new way to move fucking planes that you might as well find people Like this homemade hydrogen powered Corvette. Look at this play it go full screen. Oh This is way throwback. Yeah, I don't hear anything. Is this reddit? When the tank's heated, it produces hydrogen and the car burns it. So there's never much gaseous hydrogen in the system at any given time. So these are the these are the fuel lines? No, what are these? No, these are the...

No, what are these? These are the... That's how you can't see what they're looking at. There you go. There you go. This is actually a heater in the tank and also reads back the temperature of the tank. Why is that important? Well, when you apply heat to hydride, it releases hydrogen. So as power is applied to here, it heats the hydride.

Right. And then the gas comes out. The big hose is on the end. They have four hoses. Do they all mix into one big hose Yeah Didn't he like hang out with Ed tell Ed teller or talk to a teller. I don't know At a certain rate with a certain temperature and a single tank you can't get it out at the volume you need So so this guy was a legitimate genius and a propulsion expert

and that's why they brought him in to say how does this work? Yeah, and That story he's told the same story for you know, whatever it is now 50 plus years or 40 years. Yeah What is it? What year was it? There's a good reason. I think 85 so 40 years Somewhere around 85 the biggest argument against him against him is the MIT stuff, right? Yeah. But there's something that I'm sure you'll agree with. But the MIT thing, though, look, if you're

working at Los Alamos Labs and you're working on top secret stuff for the government, it's not inconceivable that you'd be educated at MIT and there wouldn't be a record of it, especially if you were working on something that's like really devious shit. Yeah. Yeah.

I'll tell you what he told me off the air you will. Yeah Yeah, we're done wrap this up getting no I wanted us like think the stuff in the stuff like the the the thing that is so Astonishing to me is like all of the brightest minds and unlimited money have gone to more and more ways to figure out how to kill people like during the operation paperclip during the time Bob Lazar was at Los Alamos and and at S4 if he was at S4 or whatever that was going on there like and and that dude John von Neumann who was the mathematician who was He was in he came up the equation to who and who by the way was like the most brilliant

mathematical mind of in American history, came up with the equation of the perfect altitude to detonate Fat Man and Little Boy to kill the most people. Which is like you're using this fucking intellect to do these kinds of things. And now there's a $21 trillion black hole in the DOD. Like imagine what they could have. What they could have.

They could have something that's probably, I mean, going way out in a limb, conjecture obviously, I don't fucking know, but like my conspiracy mind wants to go to like, oh my God, they have like another whole military Air Force Navy that is disconnected from America that is probably more powerful than every other country combined. That could just, you know, take over the world in an instant. But can't they already wipe each other out?

I mean, the whole world has nuclear weapons. There's nuclear weapons in how many different countries? They all launched them simultaneously. There's no life left on Earth. What I'm saying, with the 21 trillion, they could have some fucking weapon that would render a nuke completely irrelevant, you know, if they do have anti-gravity.

And if they have figured out some of this crazy parapsychology stuff, the psionic stuff with the UFOs and, like, the mind interfacing, you know, all this just kooky stuff that you wanna dismiss. But 21 trillion, if they were spending $50 on Stargate and they thought it was worth some sort of intelligence

to spy on the Russians, like how much money would they keep throwing at something if there was just a shred of possibility that it could work? And if there was evidence that like this works 3% of the time and we spent a million dollars on it, let's spend a trillion dollars on it and see how much more advanced we can get and see how much more control and world domination we can get. One of the things that Lazar said about the craft that he was the sport model, which is that thing on the desk, that's the copy of it. One of the things that he said about the craft that he was the sport model which is that thing on the desk that's the copy of it. One of the things that he said about it was that there was no controls when you sit inside the thing there's no right there's no

joystick there's no steering wheel. So you use your mind? Yeah there was probably some I mean that's probably what we're getting to anyway we're kind of close to that with phones now yeah right like how many times do you text where you don't even text, you just press the button and say you know text Danny say this and it just says it for you or you know how old is Barbra Streisand and it just it gives you an instant information. You're talking to it all the time. Yeah. And what's the next step? Well the next step is you think it like you wear it and you think it. You wear it and you think, and it does things for you. And then as technology scales further and

further more advanced, you're going to get to a point where you can move your car with your mind. And then when you have spacecraft, of course, it would be the same sort of technology. You would use technology to move the craft with your mind. They already have these interfaces with fighter pilots where where you look is where the crosshair shows mind. You know, they already have these interfaces with fighter pilots where where you look is where the crosshair shows up. So instead of having to like move a crosshair with like a, like, you know, like if you're playing a video game and you're moving the mouse,

you're moving the crosshair to the side, or if you're using an Xbox controller, you're moving that crosshair to where you wanna hit. The crosshair goes where their eyes go. So you're wearing an Xbox controller, you're moving that crosshair to where you wanna hit. The crosshair goes where their eyes go. So you're wearing this thing that knows where you're looking and they already have this kind of technology with virtual reality, they have this technology with these meta glasses that they're developing.

So they can, while you have this helmet on, this helmet is not simply a thing that protects your head, it's an electronic interface with the guidance system and where your eyes look, the crosshairs go. Yo. Did you see the LLM stuff trying to get soldiers to leave the battlefield in the Russia-Ukraine war? No. They're using LLMs and the Russians are like hacking the Ukrainians' phones with LLMs,

reading everything on their phones, seeing how they communicate with their family, and using LLMs to send messages to their phones of like their family trying to get them to lay down their weapons and leave the war. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa.

Yeah, like where does that end up? Well, that's what gets real weird, because if you get if AI starts controlling all the war systems and It just has a goal and it doesn't have any ethics or morals or any concern about life or death It just has a it has a directive like I want you to accomplish this take control of the resources in dumbass do this do that Yeah, whatever it is. Just doesn't the most effective way possible, which can be unbelievably brutal. Yeah, and then even shit like telepathy, or being able to communicate without words.

Well, Elon says that's 100% the goal of Neuralink. Are you optimistic about that? I'm not optimistic or pessimistic. I think it's inevitable. I think we're looking at what we have now as normal because it's become normal to carry around a phone with you everywhere. It's become normal to have an Apple watch on

and get all your text messages on your wrist. It's become normal. And I think it'll become normal to be interfaced with the great hive mind. I think we're all gonna be connected with some new technology the same way we're all connected with social media and email and FaceTime videos and all that shit that we are now what's app messages? We're all going to be connected with something that's far more Technologically advanced and it'll become normal just like this is normal

I just hope like if it does get there when it does get there that we can overcome this sort of place that we've reached with social media where people are just like spouting out whatever comes to their to the front of their mind at any given moment or like just like rage impulse and fighting where there's no there's no filter which i think has just created more and more division and miscommunication oh yeah like if you're if me and you are just talking and we're communicating our minds back and forth.

I don't know how your mind works, but my mind is like a constant hornet's nest of fucking ideas just bouncing around everywhere. So if you could read my mind, you're gonna be so goddamn confused and there's probably gonna be shit in there I don't want you to know. And it's like to the writing process, right?

Like when you write, you know about writing more than anyone, when you write something and you try to like, distill an idea down to like the most precise form to communicate it accurately to the audience, right? Like you go through so many revisions and you revise and you refine until you get it perfect so you can communicate that message to your audience.

But if it's just a direct stream of consciousness unedited, I can't imagine that would be a good thing. Unless you're like some meditative yogi that has a really editorialized stream of consciousness, which I don't. Maybe instead of just having access to all your thoughts, maybe it's just simply what you're trying to communicate about your thoughts.

Maybe it won't be as simple as we all have access to each other's minds. Maybe it would just be much more, you'll be able to purely transmit your feelings and your ideas without the context of a language. Maybe we'll have to develop some sort of universal language. Which would be the Tower of Babel. I've made that connection last night, I think, about Christ.

Christ was of a virgin birth. What's more of a virgin birth than sentient superintelligence from AI? If that becomes a being that is essentially a God and is given birth by a virgin mother, I mean, that's the story of Christ. It's just confusing. It's just confusing if you translate it over and over and over time.

But if Christ is supposed to return, that would be a way something like a god would return. It would return through artificial intelligence. If it just emerged out of our creation and our insatiable desire to make new and better things Yeah, no that that that makes a lot of sense But why else do we have this insane desire to have new and improved things? Because like isn't your phone good enough like I have a Samsung Galaxy s25 ultra and I have an iPhone 16

They're good. They're good enough. They don't you don't need to make a better one. Have you seen Westworld on HBO? Uh-huh, yeah. One of my favorite. Season one is fucking amazing. It's the best. Got a little squirrely in season two. Season two and three, yeah, got a little squirrely for sure. But like one of my favorite lines in that is when he's, when Ford is talking to Bernard,

or not Bernard, one of the ladies, one one of the robots and he's like Explaining the the human psyche and he's like all of the greatest achievements of humanity The the Eiffel Tower the statue of David the Mona Lisa All just elaborate an elaborate mating call. It's all peacock feathers It's all just this desire to procreate and to, you know, it's, that really got me fucking thinking. And it's like, is that what drives human beings to do things and for, to create new things and new art?

I always thought it was sex, but I think it might be that combined with the fear of death, because we want to live forever. We want to have a symbolic immort death because we want to live forever. And we want to have a symbolic immortality. We want to leave something behind after we die. 05 It might not just be sex. It might just be social recognition status. 05 Yeah. 05 You know, you want to be adored as a genius.

05 Yeah. And there's also that painting on the Sistine Chapel, the creation of Adam, Yeah. And there's also that painting on the Sistine Chapel, the creation of Adam, which is also in that movie, where it shows God creating Adam and all the angels. And he's sitting inside of the perfect anatomical illustration of a human brain, if you look at it. Can you find that, Jamie? Yeah, pull up the creation of Adam,

and it's got the prefrontal cortex, the brain stem, the visual cortex, it's all there. and he's creating Adam and like the point he makes in the movie is like the divine gift does not come from a higher power but from the human mind that's bananas let me see that other image that you just had the two of them below it no I'm sorry go back to that one and then go below it, the one that you just had. With the brain? With the one where it showed the brain. Yeah, the bottom right.

Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Look at that. That's weird, man. It is weird, isn't it? It's pretty close. Yeah, pretty close. And it's also that is the eye of Horus. When you look at the side section, a cross section of the pineal gland, it looks exactly

like that. There's weird symbology. Wait, what looks just like that? The eye of Horus from ancient Egyptian. Go to, so that gland, when you see it at the bottom bottom go to the eye of Horus go pineal gland eye of Horus Take out the Sistine Chapel Yeah, there it is so that's what the eye of Horus looks like it looks exactly like the pineal gland It's the same shape

If there's a lot of weirdness, man, to the ancient art. Like, what were they trying to say? Like, what were they trying to document? It's funny, the people who, like, don't believe Jesus existed, they'll make the argument, like, imagine 2,000 years from now that people wanted to say that there was this mythical, divine person,

and he existed because we know there's this divine trilogy called the Lord of the Rings, and his name was Gandalf, and he came from the center of the earth. But it's like, no, nothing else corroborates it. But, you know, I don't know. I think Jesus was a real person. It seems like it was a real person. Yeah. The question is, like, what really happened? Right. In the whole coming back from the dead things like what was that all about right? Yeah, I don't think that's real

Well, it doesn't make any sense But right neither does the birth of the universe right something smaller than the head of a pin that doesn't make any sense either Yeah, but if you you know if this one unique moment in time that God did send us his son to try to like sort things out and we wound up killing him. He died for our sins. Would that be any weirder than supermassive black holes? Would that be any weirder than most of the stuff that we know is real? And how do you reconcile that with the simulation? I don't know. It might be part of the whole weirdness of this whole thing is that we have mythology.

Part of the weirdness of the simulation might be that we have this fantastical mythology that you sort of have to suspend disbelief and accept. It's part of this whole weirdness that we have where we're susceptible to ideological belief systems like cults, you know, like political ideologies. We're systems, like cults. Like political ideologies, we're essentially just like cults. When you're on the right, and you're right with everything, and you're all MAGA, or if you're on the left,

you're blue no matter who, you're in a cult. You're in a cult. People get into cults, and why is that? Why is that a part of it? If we are in a simulation, why are we so malleable? Is it because we recognize it and we're supposed to oppose it and we're supposed to fight the instinct that we all deeply have embedded in our system but we also know is wrong? Like what is it about these systems?

Like, why is that in place? Is this simply just an ancient relic of our tribal past where you had to follow the rules of the tribe in order to survive and so it was instilled in people in the psyche and that's how we developed? Or is there something more to it? Is it like part of the mechanism that allows us to resist, which allows us to innovate, which encourages us to push forward and ask more questions because we know there's a lot of bullshit? Like the reason why people ask so many questions now

in 2025 as opposed to 2019 is because of COVID. Because we went through so much bullshit and propaganda, we were so gaslit by the government, by the CDC, by everybody, that now we question way more. So it's probably benefited us somewhat to go through that. Yeah. When Mary was on here, did she tell you about Kevin McKiernan? He was the dude who worked for the Human Genome Project, like a DNA wizard. He like, he basically, he was working for the Human Genome Project trying to figure out different sort of

medical treatments for cancers based on your genome. So like they could target a specific type of leukemia in you and they would take your DNA and they would like basically make designer drugs to target that cancer and to kill that cancer. And during the pandemic, somebody sent him four unopened vials of the Pfizer vaccine and he analyzed them and ran them through all of his processing

systems whatever whatever the fuck he does and he found out there was DNA plasmid contamination in them which were like promoters of this SV 40 shit. I did hear about that. Yeah, I talked to Brett Weinstein about that. And he was explaining that when they first were sequencing certain vaccines, because with the vaccine, you have to use living cells in order to create these antibodies initially. And when he's-

For traditional vaccines, right? Right. And so when they started using these things, they were using kidney cells of these monkeys. And they didn't understand that these monkeys had this SV40, simianvirus 40. And that this, when introduced into human cells, causes tumors, causes cancer, like rampant cancer.

You see the uptick of cancer, and everyone wants to bury their head in the sand and pretend that it didn't happen. But people that took the vaccine are getting fucking cancer at an astounding rate. Yeah, and Kevin was telling me that he was doing study, he pulled some tumors from some people that died somewhere in Europe,

and he was sequencing the tumors of these people that died with the vaccine, and he said that the SV40 was in the tumors. I don't remember the signs, I'd have to go back and listen to it. By the way, that episode got pulled off YouTube. Really? Off my channel, I got a strike for it. What'd they say?

Medical misinformation. What part of it's medical misinformation? The whole thing, we talked about vaccines, and we talked about the COVID-19. What year was this? This was like, uh, November of last year. Whoa. Whoa. Yeah.

I wonder if you could put it up now. Because they seem to lighten up. They changed their regulations recently. Did they? Yeah, they changed their guidelines. What was the problem with this shit, dude? I'm like, I'm so afraid to talk about shit I want to talk about. I know, isn't that fucked up?

It's like, it sucks, dude. It sucks because there's no way to know who's telling the truth Unless you let people say crazy shit and then have someone come on and refute it and then have the two of them get together And debate it right you know and then even then sometimes you don't know like with this flint dibble Graham Hancock thing Yeah, you know if it wasn't for Dan Richards We wouldn't know that a lot of the things that Flint dibble said which is absolutely not true. YouTube loosens rules guiding moderation of videos. Yeah, so favor freedom of expression over the risk of harm in deciding what to take down.

So specifically scroll down to what they said, the actual policy shift which hasn't publicly disclosed. What does it say? Public statements. They used language that I thought was much more reasonable. They don't make public statements. They broad brush it. They don't give you an exact reason. They just say, oh, this falls into this category. There's no jury at YouTube. They find the most excusable reason to it.

Go back to where you were. Recognizing the definition of public interest is always evolving. We update our guidelines for these exceptions to reflect the new types of discussions We see on our platform today our goal remains the same to protect free expression on YouTube while mitigating egregious harm so you know they could still but the thing is like They're controlled by their advertisers to a certain extent and I don't buy that shit, dude What do you mean they get funds from the average there's Google though they let they fucking own Advertising like you're gonna tell me like some company is gonna go to go to Google and say listen, bro

We're not gonna advertise you with you unless you take that guy's video down No, I think pharmaceutical drug companies have influence and I think if you're getting an enormous percentage of your advertising revenue from And I think if you're getting an enormous percentage of your advertising revenue from pharmaceutical drug companies, which Kali Means has said, the reason why they do that is not to promote their drugs. It's to stop criticism. And this is why they promote. This is why, brought to you by Pfizer.

Anderson Cooper, brought to you by Pfizer. What that is for is to make sure that they never criticize Pfizer. Sure. I understand that. And it works, right? For cable TV, yeah. But YouTube has a monopoly on advertising. Google, I understand that. And it works, right? For cable TV, yeah, but for like, YouTube has a monopoly on advertising, Google does at least. I guess I could see

it, but like, you know, they got fucking trillions of dollars. So it says YouTube's adpocalypse and the gatekeeping of cultural content on digital platforms. This is how it all started. 2017, advertiser revolt on YouTube, popularly known as the Adpocalypse, introduced widespread and radical changes on the platform's policy related to moderation content. Their monetizability and the terms of the relationship between the creators and the platform, and these changes in turn have caused significant discontent

within the creator community while also gradually transforming the predominant nature of the content on the platform. So they did do it. They did it by cutting out the ads. Yeah. Yeah, it's dirty business, man. And they're doing it because they don't want people

finding out certain things that are actually true. And that's what they did during the pandemic. That's what the FBI tried to do when they were banning people like Jay Bhattacharya and prominent scientists and like legitimate academics. But then I'll have like, you have the same thing will happen to videos I do about UFOs. Like really not taken down. But you know how shit will get like buried where you can't search for it. Oh, yeah. Me and Jesse were talking about this. This happened to Jesse

too with one with crush where he was like, it was like the number one video on crush and all of a sudden you can't search it. Like stuff like Jesse were talking about this. This happened to Jesse too with Grush, where he was like the number one video on Grush and all of a sudden you can't search it. Like stuff like that. I mean, the COVID one was the first one I actually had taken down, which was scary. And it makes me think about that. I hate the fact that I actually have to think about whether I'm gonna get the ax

based on the topic I'm discussing. Like I don't know if that leads, that doesn't lead to a good place as far as journalism goes because journalism is supposed to be shining light on the dark places that people don't want to shine. It's supposed to piss people off. Especially when you consider that a lot of the things that used to be taken down for are now confirmed.

Like the lab leak theory that used to get you kicked off of YouTube. Saying masks don't work, that to get you kicked off of YouTube saying masks don't work that would get you kicked off of YouTube Like all these things that we now know to be true that the the vaccine does not stop infection That would get you kicked off YouTube right all these things that we now know are 100% facts And it's all orchestrated by financial interests. Mm-hmm. Yeah the um The SP 40 stuff is quick. It's fucking freaky, dude It's wicked freaky like with the with the cancer and how you know It goes all the way back to the his the early days in the 60s or the early 50s and 60s in New Orleans

How they were working? Trying to develop the polio vaccine with Alton Osher Yeah, Tulane University and trying to weaponize some sort of a there's a theory based on that book Mary's monkey where they were growing the polio vaccines on the monkey kidneys and Using this to also create bio weapons to assassinate people like Castro And that's apparently what according to that book what? Lee Harvey Oswald was doing with that lady Mary Sherman and they were using that Linac machine to try to like supercharge the SV-40

to make it more deadly. Oh my God. To induce cancer with people. Jesus Christ. Yeah, and then, oh God, that like the event, that cutter event where Alton injected his two grandkids with the polio vaccine in front of the whole auditorium of students

and his granddaughter lived, was paralyzed, but his grandson died the next day right after they did that And they were like there's people pushing back like don't do this We tested this on monkeys and like half of them are dead. Let's not push this out I think it was the salk vaccine the salk polio vaccine and then they fucking did it anyways Yeah, well, I think you got to be able to talk about this stuff Yeah, even if you get get it wrong and even if someone comes on they say things that can be refuted Yeah, refute it then that's the whole point of all this. Yeah, if someone comes on and says something that's not correct. Oh, but it's Bless you. Thank you. If someone comes on and says something that's not correct

like have someone on that refuse it figure it out This you have to be able to talk about stuff. Mm-hmm and Some of its funds. Yeah, it's fun. It's all super fun. It is right. Yeah, how'd you get started? Well, I didn't I obviously didn't always do podcasts, but I was Originally, I was wanted to make movies when I was you call it concrete. Why was it called? It was called concrete so, okay, I'll tell you. It was, first of all, I always wanted to make movies when I was a little kid. I was telling Jamie the story earlier.

I tried to go to full, I was gonna go to full sale where Jamie went in Florida, in Orlando, but it was just, I didn't have the money to do it and I couldn't get into UCF because my grades were shit in high school. So luckily, I got the opportunity to work on this movie called Dolphin Tale.

It was a movie about a dolphin who got its tail stuck in a crab trap and Morgan Freeman came in and built it a prosthetic tail and it was swimming around in the aquarium. Carrie Connick Jr. and Morgan Freeman were in it and it was like a big you know Warner Brothers movie and I realized working as a camera production assistant on that movie it was my film school but I realized working as a camera production assistant on that movie it was my film school but I realized I did not want anything to do with making movies because it was the closest thing I ever experienced to work in construction it was like I was in charge of swapping the camera lenses

the camera batteries taking the SD cards back to the media truck getting everybody breakfast and coffee and these dudes dudes, these camera department dudes, a lot of them are really cool. Like the dude Pete Zuccherini, who was the underwater cinematographer who filmed all the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. He was fucking awesome. But a lot of the other guys were like really unhappy,

like deeply unhappy because they never saw their families. They were always on the road, face time, a lot of them on their like third, fourth wives, face timing their kids. And it was like, you know, they were like carnies with dental plans. They made great money, but they were fucking deeply unhappy.

So like, I realized I didn't want to make movies anymore. So I started an advertising company and making commercials. And I started doing like spec ads and like winning a bunch of contests to make commercials. I won really one big contest for Land Rover USA where we made like a free ad and they paid us to make a bunch of other ads for them. And then that's where Concrete came in. So I was, it was called something else and I got sued by some advertising company in

California saying, Hey bitch, you can't use this name anymore. Change your name. So my friend who owns a concrete construction company said, bro, there's this really cool website domain for sale with concrete with a K. He's like, it's like a couple thousand bucks. You should buy it. I was gonna buy it. I'm like, sure, fuck yeah, let's do it.

So I called my company Concrete, stupid. And then- And how'd you start a podcast? So after the advertising stuff, I started, I met a bunch of people. I met Hulk Hogan in the process of the whole advertising thing. Because me and Hulk live like five minutes from each other,

which is like five minutes from the Church of Scientology, which is great. And I started making a bunch of commercials with him because he would always have companies that would hit him up and say, yo, let's partner on this new product. And one of them was a hosting company called Hostamania. They wanted to make Hulk the face of the company.

And we created this whole fucking thing where we, it was like right when Miley Cyrus dropped the wrecking ball video and we put Hulk on a wrecking ball. We're like, yo, Hulk, we want to put you on a wrecking ball and have you fricking drop kick Van Damme, who's like the GoDaddy guy, right? And he's like, fuck yeah, brother, let's do it yeah brother let's do it this is it it was actually it was poor execution but it was funny and he's like brother there's only one thing missing from this

commercial idea I'm like what he's like I need to be in my birthday suit so we did that and then I started working on a bunch of like show this was like the boom of reality shows when like Duck Dynasty and Pawn Stars were all taken off. So I was like I could probably fucking make a reality show. So I hit a bunch of my friends and we started like touring around trying to find people to come up with like TV show ideas and. And I got a couple people to invest in a couple TV show ideas, pilots, that I spent like six years working on.

And it was this long process of shooting, editing, taking notes from production companies that, you know how this works, but you have to work with production companies who already have relationships with networks. And they were constantly giving us notes, like, okay, change this for A&E, change this for Spike TV, and we gotta make sure it fits each network,

because we're pitching these networks, these shows to all these networks. I was like, okay, great. So it was just this roller coaster of emotions, of like, oh my God, we're gonna sell a TV show, we're gonna do a TV show. And then finally we got one of those shows to a green light meeting at

spike TV or A&E and Like I was like, this is it We're gonna do it and the CEO of icon killed it because it did not fit their roster of existing advertisers And I was just like so frustrated and fed up with it. I was like fuck this I'm taking all this stuff that I've been working on and I'm going to repackage them and put them on YouTube. And I did. And the first one that really took off got millions of views in like 2015 was called deckhands. And it was the story of these alcoholic dudes, these drunks that were hanging out in front of seven 11 in this little sleepy town called Madeira beach where I'm from. So me and my buddy Luke went up and we started filming these guys and asking them questions.

Like, yo, what the fuck do you guys do here every day? And they're like, we're fucking fishermen, bro. Come see how we live. And one of these dudes took us back to his boat he lived on. He had this broken down boat in this old Dusty Marina, where the boat didn't work. But he lived in this boat and it had amplifiers stacked to the ceiling.

He had a stack of porno DVDs, like six feet tall, laser light machines, fog machines, and he wore these fairy wings and like an armor helmet. And he would jam out to like Rob Zombie on his guitar while playing the music videos on this big projection screen in his boat. And we're like, this is fucking the Twilight Zone, dude. And then they started telling us more and more

about like what they do. This is it. Yeah, this is the first episode. The gates of hell. This is Shane Lee, RIP. So we're like, we're asking these guys about like, what are you, like you're fishermen, but like, explain to me, how does this thing, how does this work?

And they were all pissed off about, oh, we're getting screwed by the boat owners and these IFQs and we don't make any money. And, you know, we're like, dude, there might be a story here. So we started interviewing more people and we eventually interviewed the people who own the boats and own the fish houses. So like Madeira Beach is the, John's Pass, Florida is the grouper capital of the world.

There's more grouper caught there than anywhere in the world. And the way it works is, before 2007, there was a quota system where it was like for red snapper, it was like 3 million pounds per year are allowed to be caught in this area, right? So it was like derby fishing so all the boats would go out and they would catch as much fish as they possibly could and they would wait at the

When they get back from their trip and then they would you know quantify that or you know, tell the federal government this is where we're at and Sometimes they would reach that three million pound limit in like October So what do they have to do for the rest of the year? They stop fishing, they can't do anything. So in 2007, the federal government made a monopoly where they gave boat owners an allotment of fishing quota per year.

So some guys got a hundred thousand pounds, some guys got 200,000 pounds, which is if it's Red Snapper, that's a dollar a pound. So that's like the best retirement plan known to man. The federal government is handing you two hundred thousand pounds of Red Snapper quota per year. And then what happened was eventually the boat owners sold off their quota and now it's become so discombobulated

where now like you can just buy this fishing quota and trade it like stock. You don't have to own a boat. You don't have to be a fisherman. You could just be some dude sitting in Manhattan in a high rise and buying and selling fishing quota. You're not, and there's, there are like fishing communities in America, like in the Northeast

where it doesn't work like that, where you have to have your hand on the throttle, you have to take care of your people, and it's a lifestyle, and it's like a way to, it's a culture. And where in Madeira Beach, at least when I was there filming, they were all just like carnies,

carnie ride operators, you know? And these dudes were, and the lowest level of this of this fishing industry are those deckhands those dudes like Shane Lee and They're fucking drug addicts there a lot of them are on hooked on heroin what that what happens is they get home from fishing from ten ten days of fishing offshore and They get like four or five thousand dollars, and they blow it on prostitutes and coke and hookers and heroin. And they just play, they're kids, dude. They're like kids. They're like kids with money. And by the end, by the time they run out, they have to go fishing again. So they're going

to all the fish houses saying, bro, let me go, let me go. So they go offshore again and they see hab where they rehab at sea for 10 days because they have no more drugs Wow, and they come back and then rinse and repeat and one of the one of the people That we interviewed there was three main characters in that in that series There was Shane Lee there was space and there was Hollywood Kim and Hollywood Kim was the last episode which was Sometimes when I think I have problems in my life. I remember her story and realize I don't really know what fucking problems are. She was from Alabama and when she was 17 years old, she gave birth to her father's son. Oh God.

And when she was six years old, she would wake up every morning and ride her bike to the beach to try to escape her dad. And no one would believe her. Oh Jesus Christ. She tried telling people. And no one would believe her because her dad was a cop. Oh, God.

So she eventually gave birth to her son and escaped to Florida and became a deckhand working fishing and working on these boats, dude. And she was just, I met her and she would wake up every morning and just start slamming vodka and looking for drugs and dude it was just the Twilight Zone in my own backyard. Wow. It was nuts and that led to like podcasts like so after that then we're just like now let's start doing podcasts in between these documentaries you know more content and the podcast

started to get more views in the documentaries and here we are well I'm glad it happened you got a great show man thanks bro and I appreciate you coming on here man it was a lot of fun thank you let's do it again for sure yeah bro Danny Jones show it is on YouTube yep you want Spotify as well yeah yeah you know Spotify it's just at Danny Jones on YouTube and same with Instagram it It's an awesome show. Lots of fun stuff on there. Thanks brother. Thank you. Bye everybody.