The Joe Rogan Experience - #2376 - Brigham Buhler

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. What up, dog? How are you? We're back. We're back. Again, how many text messages have we been exchanging back and forth where we're like, what the fuck?

Oh, it's nuts. It goes so deep. It goes so deep. This is to me, this is one of the most exciting moments in terms of like politics, in terms of like who's in control. Like having RFK Jr. at the helm of the HHS and having him like really pushing to get peptides through, really pushing to stop all this bullshit that's been going on and seeing all these fucking roaches coming out when the lights come on. on. Yeah. It's been crazy. It's definitely been crazy. And for anyone who doesn't know my background, because if they haven't heard our previous podcast, you know, I started out as a drug rep for Eli Lilly, and I did that for three years. So I saw behind the curtain. This was right out of college. And then I was a

med device rep. And then I owned labs, blood labs, toxicology labs, pharmacogenetic labs. I tried to go educate clinicians on all this preventative care stuff within the insurance framework, within the system. And I was, I've been blowing the, you and I did, I think the first one four years ago, where I was trying to blow the whistle on, there is a lot of corruption, collusion, and corporate capture throughout every one of these organizations, top to bottom, every alphabet organization, whether we're talking the EPA, the CDC, the NIH, the FDA. Did you see the guy from the CDC that just resigned? The guy who he has like literally a pentagram. dog collar thing on his chest do you know this guy oh I know what you're dog

this fucking freak who's upset that they're not giving babies hepatitis B shots he literally in an interview yesterday said his biggest concern is that they're going to get rid of hepatitis B shots children aren't having sex or shooting up drugs why do they need a HEP B shot because they're paying because Hept B shots are paying yeah they're paying well and that's the money the problem is as as you like systematically walk through these systems in the history of each one of these organizations, I can show you time and time again. And I went from, you know, coming on this podcast and trying to educate people on the importance of taking themselves out of that system, doing blood work,

getting proactive and predictive, preventing chronic disease. Don't put your hands in the fate of these broken systems. And that led to getting to meet RFK and being a part of the Maha movement, testifying in front of the Senate. And then I've testified at the same. state level and Joe the fucking level of fuckery and shady shit that I've seen now behind the scenes getting line of sight into the government side because I didn't I was on the outside in the periphery somewhat aware of the government stuff but now having got behind the curtain dude it runs so much deeper and it's so much darker and it's so much more controlled than I ever realized well it's all money man and there's so much money I mean it has to be one of

biggest industries in the country, right? Oh, I think HHS and even HHS, which all falls under Secretary Kennedy now, I think is between 70 and 80,000 people, right? And so when people are asking how to, why aren't we moving faster? Why aren't we doing this? Why aren't we doing that? It's like, you're trying to move the Titanic. There's all these divisions within HHS, the CDC, the NIH, the FDA, and it's whackamol. And every day a new fire pops up. And every, day, you've got industry lobbying, politicking, and moving chess pieces to obstruct, delay, deny, depose, and prevent any sort of change. And you've got legacy employees. There's literally, there is literally a memo at the NIH that's being circulated around about how to subvert

and ignore President Trump and Secretary Kennedy's mandates, which isn't President Trump and Secretary Kennedy. It's the American people's voice. The American people voted for change. We're over the corruption. We're over the collusion. We're over the corporate capture. And for most people that I know, this was one of the biggest factors in this administration, like voting in Trump. One of the biggest things was getting Kennedy in there. Same. Yeah. I believe that the maha moms and this health care movement and the frustration with the broken health care system was a deciding factor in Trump winning this election. And my fear is, if we don't keep the pressure up at these midterms, it doesn't matter Republican or Democrats. Historically, both sides have been corrupted.

And both sides have made catastrophic mistakes. And if we walk through, like, each one of these organizations, like, back to the, even the FDA. Okay, so most recently, I'm in Europe and I've got eyes and ears everywhere. Or you tell me where the best place to start is because I want to – there's so much ground to cover. Go ahead. Okay, so Secretary Kennedy set up a meeting for me with the FDA back in January. And he said, I want you to come with an open mind, open heart, they're going to do the same. And I want you to just sit down and lay out for these folks what you've seen, what you've experienced,

and help them understand what compounders, telemedicine companies, stem cell companies, regenerative medicine practices, cash pay practices across the country are experiencing because of the FDA's choices and decisions made in a vacuum. And so I went to this meeting, flew to D.C., sat down with all these folks. They're taking notes. They all seemed really friendly. There was probably eight or nine people in the room. And I left there.

And a day later, and everyone's like, how do you think it went? I said, they seemed very receptive. Like, everyone was nice. Everyone smiled and everyone just seemed friendly. And to God, I get a call from a person at the FDA. And they say, I want you to know they're going to smile, fuck you. And I said, what? And this person said, they're going to smile, fuck you.

And I go, what do you mean? They're going to smile to your face and they're going to ramrod all the things that you went in to talk to them about. So like one of the things that I wanted to talk to them about was the GLP ones. Forget whether good or bad. Let's just shelf that for the moment. GOP-1s have their origination at the National Institute for Health. Let's explain to people. That's Ozempic, Wagovi, those weight loss peptides.

All these blockbuster weight-loss peptides, but it's bigger than them being a weight-loss peptide. They fall under the category of peptides, and it's a slippery slope because if we allow the pharmaceutical industry to capture peptides, it will shut down all future innovation of peptides for compounding pharmacies, for telemedicine, for any of these things. Unless they have patents on it. Correct. And you and I talked about this the last podcast, and I was spot on. All the things I was telling you, I have now confirmed having gone to meetings with the FDA. I said in that meeting and I said, you guys, so what happened is Eli Lilly is now one of the largest makers of this weight loss peptide.

It's essentially Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly. They have lobbied hard with the FDA to say, we can meet the needs of the American people. There is no reason why anybody should be compounding any of these peptides. They're dangerous. You guys don't inspect compounding pharmacies. There's no FDA oversight. These products are made in garages and there's no FDA ingredients in them. They're not the same product.

X, Y, Z. Just go down the list of all the narratives that they're spinning to the FDA. And when the FDA is only hearing one side of the story and 60% of their funding comes from industry, what you will see is time and time again, they side with industry. So the FDA defaulted right before, to their generic answer, right before Secretary Kennedy and Donald Trump took control, they expired the exemption that was allowing compounding pharmacies to make cost-effective alternatives that patients could utilize. And this is crucial.

The reason that you're seeing side effects, the reason you're seeing this cascade effect of issues is because they are not treating patients with the most efficacious dose for that patient. They're treating patients with the dosage that reimburses the highest reimbursement rate on the insurance formulary. And I can prove this. They are overdosing people under, literally they're not taking the time to do the consult to educate the patient on diet, lifestyle, nutrition. There is zero doubt that GL-1s are overutilized in America. There's zero doubt that they should not be a frontline defense. There is zero doubt that they don't come with some sort of risk factors. But most of those risk factors are found in higher dosages. So why would you start a patient on a

higher dosage? Why would you rapidly titrate them up to a higher dosage where you're causing catastrophic muscle loss? It's because it reimburses more. It's not because it's what's better for the patient. It's because it's what's better for Wall Street. Okay. And then their answer is compounding pharmacies, we titrate at a lower dosage. We're unique to the patient. So what we try to do is start you at a microdose. And then also what we do is

compound it and add other peptides. So like one example of, they're literally working to patent a combination of a GLP1 and IGFLR3. We've been making that for five years, like four

years. Say that again? So GLP1, the weight loss. And IGF, insulin growth factor, LR3, time-released insulin growth factor. And the reason being, IGF preserves lean muscle mass. IGF preserves bone mineral density. IGF helps reduce visceral fat. IGF has a cascade of benefits that allow us to microdose a GLP1 at a much lower dosage

where you don't get the muscle wasting. And so this compound in trials right now is showing 20% body fat loss, or 20% loss, relative to the GLP-1s, but all of it's body fat. Almost all of it is fat. You're not losing the muscle. And compounders are already making this stuff, right? And so where I'm going with this is Lilly lobbies the FDA and Novo Nordisk, and they say these drugs are dangerous.

Let's look into that. Step one. Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk both have warning letters from the FDA for their manufacturing facilities. Novo Nordisk was cited as having cat hair and pest activity. I don't know if it's rats, if it's roaches in their sterile rooms. This is the FDA's own inspection. Eli Lilly has been cited time and time again for egregious actions, destroying records,

hiding clinical data, a barefoot woman in their sterile room. The FDA uncovered all of this through whistleblowers. Furthermore, there's over 2,000 major pharmaceutical manufacturing facilities that have not been investigated in five or more fucking years. And so my message to the FDA was, one, you're wrong. You've inspected me three times in 18 months. Two, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk are not making a safer product. They're not at a higher level of manufacturing specs. You guys look at them less often than you do compounders.

and they don't make dosages unique to patients. So we're titrating dosages down allowing patients to optimize the benefits, minimize the side effects, not a one-size-fits-all approach. And then last but not least, it's cash pay. We aren't billing insurance carriers. We aren't billing Medicare, Medicaid, and we're not charging $1,300 a month average wholesale price. We're able to ship these products for a couple hundred bucks to your doorstep

with a nutritional consult. And so it's a better mousetrap. And what you'll see time and time again is if industry is getting beat, if big farm is getting beat, they just change the rules to the game. And so where this is going, though, is so much bigger and grander, Joe. So I asked the FDA, what made you think that this is no longer on a backlogs list? Because it was an emergency backlogs list. So the FDA provides a list every year where they tell compounders, we can't get these drugs, we need you to compound these drugs.

Think of it like the bat signal. That signal goes off. We jump to it. We start compounding those drugs. The exemption expired under Biden, right before Secretary Kennedy and Trump took control. The old regime at the FDA ramrodded it through. Now it's not exempt. Now 503B pharmacies cannot compound it because they don't make patient specific, which means a lot of those products are no longer available.

But they did that decision based off the fact that these crucial diabetic patients would be able to get the drugs they need. This is where the plot thickens. We called over 30,000 pharmacies for 12 months. I turned all of this into the FDA. Less than 6% of the lower dosages were available for patients, which meant what? They had to go to the higher dosages, which meant what? All of these programs get billed a higher. reimbursement rate, a higher billable rate. Eli Lilly and Novo aren't mad that compounders are making the product. They're mad that they're getting exposed for the corruption, collusion, and manipulation of our health care institutions time and time again. And it's going to get 10 times worse as I lay this out for you, but I'll pause. Okay, so pause right here. So what is a response to this? So you lay out this information. What can be done?

And what is the response? So they all, they were friendly. They smiled. They were dropping down notes. One of the head. Probably drawn dicks. One of the clinicians from the FDA, Candlea, who's never practiced medicine, said there's no medical need for peptides in this meeting.

And he's like, but today we're going to talk mainly about GLP1s. There's a need for GLP ones. Okay, I dig in. Where did this guy do his, he is a clinician, but his first. stint in politics was in the state of Indiana, in Indianapolis, Eli Lilly's headquarters. I worked for Eli Lilly. Eli Lilly owns the state of Indiana. And they absolutely own the city of Indianapolis. And this guy did his first stent in politics under a congressman, sorry, in the state of Indiana, in Indianapolis. And this congressman has released multiple, multiple tweets,

and messages and attends Eli Lilly factory openings and is a huge proponent of Eli Lilly. And this is just one example of the issues with that system. It's also the statement that peptides have no medical use when GLP-1s are fucking peptides. That's literally what I said. I said you do understand that a GLP-1 is a peptide. Insulin is a peptide. Yes. There are over 150 peptides that Big Pharma is attempting to patent right now because the future of medicine

is peptides and here's why we don't we aren't compounding a drug we're taking something found naturally in nature a signaling cell found in your body just like stem cells just like amnion just like all of these crucial building blocks to our health and longevity that are deficient in our foods deficient in our diet deficient in our lifestyle we don't get enough sun we have too much screen time we're inactive and all that shit's tanking in our bodies shocker right and And as we age, there's a precipitous decline in peptides, in building blocks. One example, GHK, copper peptide. We know we have roughly 30 to 40 percent of the level of GHK in our bloodstream in our 40s that we had in our teens.

Why is that important? It's an important signaling cell that tells your body that you're young. Your cells are young. Your skin's elastic. Heal this injury. Heal this wound. Reduce this inflammation. Right?

It's safe. It's benign. in nature. We're synthesizing that. That's what peptides are. And Big Pharma got beat to the punch by compounding pharmacies. And compounding pharmacies have an array of peptides in their tool belt. And the war on peptides has gone beyond the GLP-1s. And this is what I wanted to explain. So it's very complicated. I got to make sure I nail this right because it's important for President Trump to understand this. President Trump, the art of the deal, the master negotiator, is attempting to play hardball with big pharma and he is going to negotiate a deal for best in class but best in the world

drug pricing for the american people and that's very admirable and i respect the hell out of him for trying to get it done but the devil is in the details and my fear is historically big government has been co-opted and colluded by pharma and when they're not able to pull a lever and move a chest piece they outmaneuver them and it's already happening Eli Lilly's CEO announced he's going to raise the prices of drugs in Europe to offset the price reduction in America. But what that really means is we're not going to get the price concession that Donald Trump, President Trump, is working for, right? Because what he's doing is the same thing we already see with the pharmacy benefit managers that I've explained on this podcast before. The PBMs artificially inflate the price because they get a rebate on the back end from the big pharmaceuticals.

companies that's hidden, that's not disclosed to the public. Then when they negotiate a deal with Medicare, Medicaid, TRICARE, they tell the government, we're giving you 30% off. You're giving us 30% off a bullshit price that you created because you set the market. And if we give these people a monopoly, we already know where it goes. We can see it time and time again. Eli Lilly's price of production on insulin became one-tenth of what it used to be, and they charged 10 times the dollar amount of the retail price of insulin. And I've also, Jamie, on any of this stuff

on the Ways to Well website, I did the JRE experience links again, because I'm referencing so many things that people are going to say, No way! So, really, literally... So go to Wastewell.com and there's J.R.E. Links. There's a links page where I reference

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For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng.com slash audio. President Trump is attempting to go these pricing. This is wrong. Industry's already moving the needle. That's just one piece of it, though, Joe. Here's where it gets even more fucked up. This is how crazy this shit is. It just happened with thyroid medicines, okay? Animal-derived thyroid has been around since 1890. We have compounded it for over a decade. I have had not one adverse event in a deck, not fucking one. We ship six thousand bottles of medication a day at my farm

revive. We have had minimal side effects in literally over a decade. Big Pharma has lobbied the FDA to say these thyroid medicines are dangerous. We need you to shut down animal-derived thyroids. Why? Because they're attempting to launch a thyroid medicine, and they want the thyroid labeled as a biologic. Why would you label it as a biologic? Because by labeling it as a biologic, you subvert President Trump's mission to reduce the price of a drug because it's not a drug. I'm selling you a biologic. So now I can bend you over the barrel and screw you again on the price. Here's where it runs even deeper. This is where it gets great. A patent on a drug is usually five years. Do you know what the patent life is on a biologic? 12 fucking years.

So Eli Lilly, all of the Novo Nordisk, all of these entities are attempting to put pressure on the FDA to reclassify drugs as biologics. They want GLP-1s as biologics. They want HCG as biologics. They want all of these amazing compounds that we've been providing for people for over a decade to all be reclassified as a biologic. And that is the fucking straw that will break the camels back, the final. death blow to telemedicine and compounding pharmacies because the third part of the equation is you cannot compound a biologic. The FDA stance is it is illegal for me as a compounder to compound a biologic. So now you give a monopoly to big pharma. You get rid of all price

competition in a market where the president's main goal is to reduce the price of drug costs. If you want to reduce the price of drug costs, the way you do it is through competition. and we saw it with the GLP-1s. The only price concession that any of these motherfuckers have given the American people in the last 20 fucking years is because the pressure of an open market. People quit going and buying these retail drugs at $1,300 a month because they couldn't get the dosage they wanted.

They're getting titrated up to these mega dosages that are causing muscle wasting, bone mineral density loss, loss of vision. There's a $2 billion lawsuit against these scumbags right now. And I'm sorry. I've bit my tongue historically and tried to be like politically correct to an extent on here, but I can't do it. Like this is insane. And I go back to if RFK and this administration was not in power, all of this would have just happened. So I texted the secretary and his team and I said, I have to ring the bell on something. And I've educated them on what's happening and all the moves that are being made. And the FDA was reviewing in a court document that nobody knew about. This is the problem with having 70,000 employees. They are legacy employees that have tight collusion relationships with industry that have been there 20 fucking years that they're going to do what you let them do.

And their offense is you run the big pharma offense. We're going to obstruct compounders. We're going to prevent telemedicine. We're going to push people back to sick care. We're going to launch drugs into the marketplace. And let's look at the history of safety, Joe. If we look at, again, I'm going to keep hammering. and on Lily. Lily in a lawsuit

against Mochi health last week at a federal judge is suing Mochi for using GLP-1s for weight loss and their claim is you are violating our patent, which you're not because it's patient unique. You are, and it's a peptide which is naturally

found in the human body and you didn't create the peptide. The NIH did. Our taxpayer dollars because we fund the NIH. That's where all of these originated. Out of the last, there's so much, but out of the last 210 blockbuster drugs between 2010 and I think 2016 210 blockbuster drugs how many of those do you think big pharma started at big pharma versus started at the NIH oh I would bet most of them

started in that IH 100% of the compounds that became blockbuster drugs had their roots at the NIH so taxpayer funded and then these pharmaceutical drug companies get a monopoly on them boom And then we get rammed in the ass for the next, if they get what they want next 12 years. And we fund it. 100%. Wow. And so the FDA, my argument to the FDA in this. What a scam.

It's nuts. What a scam. And my argument to the FDA in this meeting was these compounds are safe. One, they're safe. They're naturally occurring in nature. They're prescribed under the supervision of a board certified clinician. They're compounded at a compounding pharmacy that is inspected by the FDA, right? that you've inspected me three times in 18 months,

all of our API and ingredients are sourced from the same exact suppliers as Novo and Lilly and all of the big pharmaceutical cartels. We all buy the ingredients from the same places. The only difference is, and this is what I told Secretary Kennedy and the FDA, the difference between me and Novo and me and Eli Lilly is I actually manufacture and produce my product here on American soil and employ over 500 hardworking American people. Ask Big Pharma why they're moving all their facilities to India and Ireland to escape the scrutiny of the FDA.

They don't want you in their factories. They don't want you able to challenge them or stifle their ability to print cash. Right? I can't play by those rules. I can't jockey that. The state of Texas is currently suing Eli Lilly. This came out. Kim Paxton sued Eli Lilly like three weeks ago.

because of fraudulent activity where they were providing kickbacks to providers. And this is important too. If you have a clinician and you go to your doctor and they will not prescribe you a medication, you need to understand, you the patient get to decide where that prescription goes. Not your doctor. That is not your doctor's decision. So when a doctor says, I'm not going to let you go to a compounding pharmacy, you need to fire that fucking doctor. That is not their choice.

They cannot force you to go pay $1,300 at CVS. That is not their choice. And there are academic institutions like Methodist Hospital that have policies that say, we're not going to prescribe compounded medicines on GLP-1s. You've got to go to the retail drug because we think compounds are dangerous. Where is this coming from? In this court document I was going to that just came out last week, Eli Lilly Sudmochi Health claiming that they're violating the corporate practice of medicine.

So they're not just attacking the compounding process. They're also trying to obstruct via the FDA, and they're now suing everybody in their mom in this industry who compounds or runs a telemedicine practice. And Lilly is challenging that telemedicine is legal. Eli Lilly is literally challenging that telemedicine is legal because one of the ways that so many patients are getting accessibility to cost-effective care is telemedicine.

And Lily thinks if we can shut down the pathway of telemedicine, we can force them to our own company, which Lilly launched their own little telemedicine branch that you can call in. But in the meantime, they're claiming that these companies are violating the corporate practice of medicine. They just want full monopoly. 100%. So what can be done? We're doing it. Like, candidly, we're doing it.

So I leave that first meeting with the FDA. I get that message from this individual at the FDA, and I thought, I'm going to wait and see. I hope this person's wrong. Let's see what happens. And when we were in Europe, I get a call from another source that said, hey, they're doing it. They're in a court document. The FDA is going to make a stance that says there is no medical necessity for peptides, which would in effect ban over 50 peptides that have been being compounded.

Now, remember, they already put, I think over a dozen peptides on a bulks list a year ago. That's all separate from the GLP1. Why did they do that? Because of the lobby of big pharma. You have people at the FDA who are legacy employees of the FDA who have legacy relationships with big pharma. We've already gone over how many heads of the FDA have gone to work for industry and then come back to work for the FDA and then it's a revolving door.

They're swapping spit. They're lobbying together. They're going to dinners together. They're spending time together. And the CEO of Lilly is up Trump's ass. I was with another high, high, high level person at HHS, and their phone kept ringing. I swear to God, kept ringing. And they looked at their phone and they go, God, man, these people from Eli Lilly are aggressive.

And all of this was happening in the dark. And so what we can do is what we're doing. This podcast, getting President Trump's attention, gaining the attention of Secretary Kennedy and the team at the FDA. And Secretary Kennedy and his team are playing whacklemon. You know, because it's, you've got to think, it's not just the FDA. It's the CDC. It's the NIH. 80,000 employees.

I think they have 200 appointees from the new administration. You got, you're literally, it's like the Spartans versus the Persians. You got 200 hard hitters trying to fight 80,000 people that have been co-opted. And I'm not there to say all those people are bad. There's a lot of good things that have been done at all of these organizations. but there's also a natural innate bias when a big chunk of your funding pivoted in the 90s where over 60% of the FDA's fundings based off fee schedules and those fee schedules generate the revenue that create your jobs and you have an open door policy to meet with the FDA but

you're not meeting with compounders and you're not reading the emails from compounders right and so when I told the FDA what made you decide this backlog was over they said well industry told us they could meet the need. And I said, okay, well, did you see the email I sent you where we contacted over 30,000 pharmacies for 12 months and they can't meet the need? Less than 6% of prescriptions were available. They cannot meet the need. They're going to force people to higher dosages, and it's going to cause a catastrophic

health consequence to the American people, and it's going to bankrupt our systems. Did you not see these emails? And they just set there dead quiet. And so jump forward. I get when in a court document, and it's all in secret, right? All of this shit happens in the shadows, and then they play dumb. Oh, we didn't know. What do you mean?

We didn't understand. That's just a court document, Secretary Kennedy. Bullshit. It's a court document that sets precedent. And that precedent says that peptides have no medical necessity. While at the same time, you have big pharma trying to patent 140 fucking peptides as biologics, that we were already making for the last decade. Jesus.

Is it about safety? Is it about safety? because all of the adverse events that have been reported, almost all of them, a huge majority of the adverse events, which aren't even that many, came from black market peptides. And that's what Lily's, Lily in the court case two weeks ago, presented to the judge all the adverse events, and the judge said, where are they? And Lily said, right here in this Reddit forum, I swear to God. Oh, my God. And the judge said, are you really telling me that your documentation of adverse events is coming from? from a Reddit forum.

You should send them to the flat earth Reddit forum. Let's see what else is going on here. So that's just like a sliver, Joe. Like a fucking sliver of what I've been living. One of my favorite narratives is that they're trying to do good.

That's one of my favorite narratives. One of my favorite narratives, whenever there's any sort of a large-scale government organization is that we are trying to protect people from harm. They're fucking never. No one is trying to protect you. Everyone at every level of the government,

whether it is about climate change, whether it is about geopolitical relationships, whatever the fuck it is. It is all about money. There's not a single thing that you could point to. Well, the government really cares here. This is the one. This one is a large, a huge, corrupted organization that really cares. Like, there's not one. And you can historically go back.

Of course. Like, that's where it's like, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I know people want to label it is that if you go back, the FDA's predecessor, I think was the Food Something Act of 1901, and as they went to try and create this organization, industry assembled. Whose industry? Big chemical, big food, big pharma. Well, Rockefeller literally set the tone for the entire medical establishment in this country by using petroleum-based medicine. You got it. Yeah. And people don't know this. Like, most of your medicines in this country are formulated with the use of petroleum.

And that is because of Rockefeller. Yep. Because he had a monopoly on that. And that's why the side effect profiles higher. And that's why peptides don't have any of these things. Again, we're synthesizing short chain amino acids found in our body that we're deficient in. And so as we begin to see a precipitous decline in all of these raw elements that allow our bodies to heal and recover, we can bring you back to a state of homeostasis through the utilization. of peptides. And Big Pharma is realizing they got beat to the punch. And they're scrambling

to capitalize and monopolize this entire sector. And the only way they can do that is to try and horse trade with President Trump and the administration and pretend like they're going to play the game. But they're not going to play the game. They're just going to move the goalpost. There's no way Trump is aware of all this. This is an ad by better help. When you have a problem, when you're feeling down, it's nice having someone to turn to. to, like a partner who could cheer you up, a friend to vent to, a parent who can give you advice, even having a nice conversation with a stranger can be uplifting. Whoever you like to turn to, though, probably won't have all the answers.

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Yeah. With the way that guy's mind works, there's no way he's absorbing all this. So the message that Secretary Kennedy gave me, and this is where I'm like, it isn't woo-woo, it isn't bullshit. I can tell you, I've texted that guy two times in my life, and both times he's called me within 10 minutes. And I texted him, I said, I have an emergency. This is a big deal. I want to make you aware of something that's happening at the FDA. And he called me and said, what's going on? And I laid it out for him. And he said, what the fuck are you talking about? basically. I had no idea. And it's not, he's, again, he's playing whack-a-mole. He's got 500 fires. You've got some legacy employee at the FDA that's going to try and make this statement in a court document that's flying under the radar because it's not an overarching policy, right? And then even in the subsequent meeting, so RFK said, give me 10 minutes. 10 minutes later, I'm on calls with the FDA. Then he's like, how soon can you come meet with the FDA again? So we set an emergency conference call. I do a call with the FDA.

he said again his secretary kennedy's team said they're going to approach this with an open mind and an open heart and they're going to have there it's going to be a different tone than the last meeting and i'm going to try and attend that call or have one of my staffers attend that call okay the call went down at like eight in the morning when he was in alaska and then another mole leaked to me because i have moles i'm playing i'm playing the game they play now i'm not going to fuck around And my mole called me and said they scheduled the meeting early because they knew he'd be in Alaska and they knew he couldn't be on it. And that call did not go well. It was a bunch of legacy FDA employees basically saying, we're going to stay the course.

We're not opening peptides up to the American people. And so I had to text his team and go, hey, the call didn't go well. And then they're like, our intel's telling us the same thing. And so he stepped in and said, this is a mandate. We are not going to dictate to the American people. that they can or cannot use preventative care and peptides. This is a mandate. You need to figure this out and we need to open accessibility

and we need to bring peptides back for the American people through safe, compliant, compounding pharmacies, not black market, which is springing up everywhere. We're going to have another opioid crisis. I explain this to them too. Everywhere out there, there are peptides that you can buy online now with no checks and balances, with no FDA inspect, with no validation testing, with no way of telling if there's any contamination, cross-contamination.

Or if they're even real. Yeah. I've had people buy Ipamoralin online. And, you know, that's a peptide that when you do it, it has a very strong reaction. Like, you feel it in your body. Like, immediately after, there's nothing. They get nothing. I'm like, yeah, it's probably bullshit.

Yeah. You're buying bullshit peptides. But the point is, like, if Kennedy is not aware of all this, there's no way Trump is. Yeah. He cannot be. No, they have too many things they're fighting. He's literally involved in Rwanda having like peace talks with enemies that have been enemies for 20, 30 years, trying to bring them to the table. All the shit that's going on with Gaza and Palestine and Israel, all the shit that's going on with Ukraine and Russia.

Do you think he even understands peptides? Yeah. Like, look at them. Well, the health care system's complicated. It's nuanced. And the challenge is you have some of the best litigators and attorneys in the world on payroll for these big pharmaceutical cartels. Of course. And they fund 60% of the FDA.

And the history of the FDA is that it, I've said over and over again, it's captured. But the truth is all of these organizations were born in captivity. They were born in captivity. Yeah. That's the craziest thing. Yeah. Anderson Cooper brought to you by Pfizer. Well, they're even doing it right now, making it look like the world's turning.

I don't know if you saw Bernie Sanders tweeted, RFK's got to go, all these people. But the truth is, last week, they announced the approval ratings, and RFK is up seven points in the approval, the highest rating of any elected official. The American people are not turning on RFK. Even the CDC debacle that people are turning into the news is making out to be a debacle. You lost legacy employees. You lost this dude wearing sex gear and shit on covers of magazines who wants to get. to everyone to get hep B. Nobody's saying you can't vaccinate your kids.

Nobody's saying not to. There's no reason. I know, but all they're saying right now is, all they're saying right now is we don't want to keep mandating without science, without evidence. And we want to understand is there a potential risk of side effects when we hit a child with this many vaccines before the age of two? Did you see the conversation that Kennedy had where he was talking about, they were talking about, they were talking about. measles and he said we have had four deaths from measles in the last 20 years do you know how many cases of autism that we've had and he rattled off that oh yeah like the numbers yeah you know in California it's literally one and 12 boys now yep do you know how insane

he said that at the at the Texas legislature when Abbott signed off on the bills that I helped testify but yet you're having guys like Bernie Sanders who doesn't know I look listen I'm an old school Bernie bro I love Bernie I love Bernie I love the idea of Bernie. Yeah. Bernie doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Yeah. Bernie didn't know what the fuck he's talking about when it came to climate change.

Yeah. It's a real thing. Climate change is definitely happening. Like what are you saying? Like what does that mean? Is the climate ever been static? Like when you like confront him on the details, he really doesn't know what he's talking about. To me what's frustrating is...

They're narratives. Yes, their narratives. So the narratives is that what we've done with vaccines is stop all the diseases? Okay, are you sure? Do you really know that? Have you ever looked at the history of the eradicate? of the eradication of diseases and the introduction of sanitation, running water. Have you looked at any of that stuff?

Nutrition, vitamins, you looked at any of that stuff? Do you know anything about polio for real? When I tell people the polio statistic that 95 to 99% of polio is asymptomatic, it's one of my favorite questions. Yeah. I'm like, what percentage of polio? You know, do you also follow that, so? The DDT story. Boom.

So you know that the CDC, this is, there's so many fucking crazy stories, the CDC was created in World War II to stop the malaria spread, okay? And the first thing they did was ink a deal with a little chemical company called Monsanto, where they began to dump DDT into all of these countries to try and kill malaria. And they spread an array of health issues that lasted generations and gave immunity. and did all these things that was the foundation of the CDC and where it gets even crazier is guess how nobody talks about this shit do you know where the CDC's headquarters is

their headquarters in Atlanta was gifted to them by Coca-Cola the CDC to this day is in a fucking giant building that was given to them by Coca-Cola and in a FOIA request there is a fucking email from one of the executives at the CDC

I don't remember like the 70s or 80s, where they're literally going back and forth with Coca-Cola and saying they're going to do all they can to shut down this bad information on sugar. It runs so deep. And then you go to the EPA. You go to the EPA in its relationships with Monsanto. The EPA in a FOIA request, one of the heads of the EPA with regards to glyphosate in disclosure documents.

Literally send an email saying, if I pull this off for you guys, you owe me a fucking medal. All of this shit's out there. I put all of it on the website. You can go find all of this stuff. It is there. And so systematically, FDA, CDC, EPA, NIH, every one of these systems have been built, co-opted, corrupted, and developed alongside industry. And even when you talk about chronic disease, so many people. There's a big podcast that drop that if anyone, it gets into antidepressants.

And a lot of people don't know this because I want to quantify peptides because you're going to have academia go, well, the differences, drugs are investigated and peptides aren't and there's no placebo-controlled double-blind studies. One, there are. There's a lot. And we can systematically break that down, too. They just haven't gone through an FDA approval process because that costs $2 billion. Well, who has to have $2 billion to bring a drug to? market what a great way to be a gateway boom it was established by big pharma big pharma told the fda let's build this model right so then they capture the molecule at the nih h level bring it to phase two

and three trials bring it into human trials the cost of doing that is not what they make it out to be and then it's a pay-to-play system and it's an obstructionist system that stifles and prevents innovation because if I'm a biotech startup or a compounding pharmacy or a stem cell company or a peptide company or anybody who wants to get into that space, I am going to be forced to sell my company at some point to Eli Lilly or Pfizer or one of these big conglomerates in order to get it through the FDA approval process. I can't afford $2 billion. And so what you've given Big Pharma is the keys to the Ferrari and they control all the Ferraris that hit the marketplace. But then they co-opt and up the data. So here's an example. When we talk about science, follow the science, follow the

evidence. I worked for Eli Lilly. That was my first job out of college. We sold antipsychotic drug zyprexa. Patients would come in and doctors would say, bring them. I don't know what's going on, dude. This lady put on 30 fucking pounds in like literally a month. This is not good. There's something going on here. And so when we go back to the main goal's safety, Where was safety on that drug? Out of 12 blockbuster drugs in the last, I think, 15 years of Eli Lilly's history, 10 of them have black box warnings. The harshest warning you can get, the studies oftentimes don't represent long-term data. And the studies oftentimes aren't looking at all of the multifaceted aspects of human nature and life.

like comorbidities and what other medications are these people taking and how do all these impact each other average americans on four more prescription drugs all right so i want to lay out for the antidepressant because this one's crazy do you do you how do you how do you think we diagnose depression anxiety ADHD any of these mental health disorders and i'm not i want to be clear i'm not saying that these disorders don't exist and i'm not saying that there is not a medical issue with patients. Well, it's all completely subjective. It's not like a test that they can give you, like, do you have syphilis?

Correct. There is no blood test. Right. There is no brain test. Right. There's no chemical brain test. Not only that. Let's be really clear.

The established criteria, the idea behind it being that there is some sort of a chemical imbalance has been disproven. Correct. Even in autopsies. Yeah. It's not real. Even in autopsies. That, and you know who perpetuated and created that narrative was.

was big pharma of course big pharma created that narrative sold that story it was never a serotonin deficiency there's zero evidence to show that so the screening tool we used to tell you if your child has ADHD was developed by a doctor in the 70s who was a consultant for riddlin oh jesus now jump to the 90s eli lilly Pfizer everyone's launching antidepressants into the marketplace under the guise that these serotonin, selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors, SSRIs, are going to fix your chemical imbalance in your brain. The measuring stick to decide whether you're depressed or not was a questionnaire developed by a consultant for Pfizer. A doctor who worked for Pfizer developed that test, and the goal of the test was to simplify depression so simplistically that any primary care in America could prescribe an antidepressant through a simple questionnaire. They set the rules, they set the protocols, they set the everything, but there's no quantifiable data that says that that actually...

It's just a questionnaire. It's totally subjective. So what is this questionnaire? Can we take it and find out if I need pills? Yeah, yeah. Let's take it right now. I can tell you. Should we take it?

Yeah, let's take it. I want to see if I need pills. Let's see. Hold on. That'd be hilarious. I've never met a single person that's depressed and has a great life. Is that weird? I never met a single person that's healthy

Has a family where everyone's doing well Yeah They have a good career that they enjoy Well that's why when what's that dip shit Covair is like It's multifaceted in health care Yeah dumb ass It is who's that

Cobeer The Colbert report guy Oh that guy He just attacked Mahal a few weeks ago And was like Yeah he was saying that To try and go after food And the drug companies is insane

And so if you follow even depression He looks super healthy I like to see him in his underwear If you follow depression, when did we skyrocket in depression? When did depression skyrocket? It skyrocketed in the 80s. What happened in the 80s? We moved to an ultra-processed food diet.

There is more compelling evidence that most depression is tracked back to insulin response and eating ultra-processed foods and sugary foods than any other aspect. We're all going to go through highs and lows. We're all going to have tough times. But when we're systematically, chronically inflamed and poisoning in our bodies through our food systems. You're exhausted and depressed. And it leads to all these, I don't have cell in here.

I'm trying to see what thing. I get exhausted and depressed if I eat a bowl of fucking fruit loops. I mean, think about it, as healthy as I am. Brigham, does this work, do you think? ADHD self-report scale. That's the ADHD one. All right, let's try this one, though, because I'm pretty sure I have this. How often do you have trouble wrapping up the final details of a project once the challenging parts have been done?

I'm kind of I don't want to qualify for that one never I get shit done okay five I guess read it's never to very often if it's a project if I get shit done okay how often but that's just a decision that I've made I know you got give me a score we get to score you never okay how often do you have difficulty getting things in order once you have a task that requires organization oh yeah I have a problem getting things in order um often Let's go with often on that one. How often do you have a problem remembering appointments or obligations?

Sometimes. Let's say sometimes with that one. But that's just overwhelming. I'm just overwhelmed with shit going on. When you have a task that requires a lot of thought, how often do you avoid or delay getting started? Sometimes, let's say sometimes. How often do you fidget or squirm with your hands and feet when you have to sit down for a long time? for a long time often how often do you feel overly active and compelled to do

things like you were driven by a motor always very how often do you make careless mistakes when you have to work on a boring or difficult project that's not applicable I don't have any boring or difficult projects careless mistakes what are the what are the options again let's say rarely Okay. Let's say rarely with that one. The PHQ 9. Sorry.

Okay, but let's just go through this real quick. How often do you have difficulty keeping your attention, we're doing boring repetitive where we did that? How often do you have difficulty concentrating on what people say to you even when they are speaking to you directly? Well, it depends on the person. If it's you, no problem at all. But if it's someone who's saying some boring shit, yeah. So what's the middle one?

Sometimes. Sometimes. Let's go with sometimes. occur how often do you misplace or have difficulty finding things at home or work I'd say often

with that one how often you're distracted by activity or noise around you often how often do you leave your seat in meetings or other situations you're expected to remain seating never how often do you feel restless or fidgety often

how often do you have difficulty unwinding and relaxing when you have time to yourself always I always have difficulty what's the most one with that very often very often with that um how often you find yourself take uh talking too much when you're in social situations what probably I don't know what's too much I have my social situations are all with professional talkers that's a weird one uh I don't think I well because I do podcasts a lot I'm pretty good like not talking too much so what's the the options again rarely let's say rarely because I'm

pretty good at that but it does happen when you're into conversation how often do you find yourself finishing the sentences of people you're talking to before they can finish again depends on who I'm talking to if I'm talking to a fucking moron and they're laying things out to me that are like super obvious but they're going really slowly I'm like let's go pick it up yep I got it got it so it depends sometimes what are the options again never rarely sometimes often very often

uh rarely let's say rarely because I rarely talk to morons how often do you have difficulty waiting your turn in situations when turn taking is required difficulty like what would I be doing then as turn no no I don't really have

a problem with that how often do you you gotta think too this is they're asking children this which is going to be a lot this one's for adults this one's for adults this is the adult Okay. How often do you interrupt others when they're busy? Again, I got a weird life, so that doesn't really come up.

I'm not interrupting any. I'm not like showing up at someone's work and interrupting them, so that's never. That's it. Okay, let's find out. Do I have a problem? So here's where this gets wild, though. So now look back retrospectively. Okay, when I was a lily rep and they're talking about Prozac and we're going to cure depression.

and depression is caused by a serotonin chemical imbalance in the brain. We now know all that's hogwash. We don't really know what was causing the depression, the anxiety, and all these cascade effects. In their own retrospective studies of every SSRI on the market, what we now see is on a 52-point depression scale, SSRIs score two points higher than placebo. Two points higher. It's not statistically relevant. It fails to differentiate statistically from placebo. There are two things that do differentiate from placebo.

Exercise is five times more potent than placebo or an antidepressant in studies. Red light therapy is even higher, two times higher, than any antidepressant that's ever hit the market. But now you've put a person in a chemical strait jacket where you have wrecked their system. You have now created more harm than good. And so step one in medicine, do no harm, right? Step one for the FDA, make sure these drugs are safe. They're not safe. Even there were lawsuits in the early days of suicidal ideation and violent thoughts

because a lot of the pharmaceutical companies tried to hide that they were seeing in trials that children were having suicidal and violent thoughts in the early days of being on SSRIs. Yeah. Because it numbs the emotions. It shuts down the emotional response. It damages relationships. These are catastrophic things that you're giving these people for what? They're also connected to almost every school shooter.

Yeah. You said it. Yeah. And that's something that no one wants to say. No one wants to talk about. No one in the news wants to talk about it. You would think that if there's something that correlates, if there's a correlation, if there's like some statistical thing that you can look at and say, wow, this is kind of crazy that this one particular medication is

involved in almost every mass shooting. And when you say mass shootings, like here's the thing that gets thrown around about when they would talk about like mass shootings. Mass shootings, the problem with the statistics is it connects gangs. You have gang like what happens in Chicago every weekend. Like last weekend in Chicago, 54 people got shot. Well, people say, Trump is doing a terrible thing, bringing the National Guard. Ask the people of Chicago if that's terrible.

If you want this to continue, like, do you have a better solution? If you have a better solution, I'm not in favor of bringing the National Guard into every fucking city and militarizing America. No, I think that's terrible. And the argument against guns is that people are getting shot in Chicago. But if you look at the states that have the highest gun violence, it's the states that have the strictest gun laws. Yes. Bad guys are still going to get guns. Exactly.

And so there's that. That's one. So this is when, but when you're talking about school shooting. That's a different thing. So school shootings get, you find almost all mentally ill people and whatever, Phil, we don't, you know, you don't have to politicize it, but it's all mentally ill people who are almost all of them on psychiatric medication. I mean, every single one of them, all the way back to Columbine, but yet no one brings that up. That seems insane and that seems completely co-opted. If you have an industry that is literally sponsoring the fucking news on CNN, literally proudly, not even hiding it, right, brought to you, they want everyone to know that they're sponsoring the news.

And, you know, the way it's been described to me, God, was it Cali Means? Yeah. Was saying, this is not so that they can sell more drugs on the news. this is so that the news doesn't criticize the pharmaceutical drug companies and they don't they avoid them they avoid it like the plague if there was like a similar situation with any other thing that was not sponsoring the news like let's say cannabis let's imagine that if cannabis was connected somehow or another to every mass shooting do you don't think that that would be brought up like fucking full court press in the front page of the new york post in the new york times and all over cnn and msnbc they would start talking about about it. If it was some masculine thing, like if it was testosterone. It was like in testosterone therapy. So testosterone replacement therapy is involved in 100% of school shooters. Jesus Christ, they would be feminizing the world. You boys need to eat more soy. You need to get tofu into schools. You know, we need to stop weightlifting. No more weightlifting. No more cold plunges

because they increase testosterone as well. No more, you know, no more fucking going outside the sun. Sunlight gives you vitamin D, vitamin D increases testosterone. Get out of the sun. Yeah. It's causing mass shootings. There's a ton of stuff correlating lack of vitamin D to depression. Yes. I mean, it's all of these different things.

It's terrible for your immune system. Yeah. If you have a low level of vitamin D, you're chronically susceptible to all kinds of pathogens. Your immune system fucking sucks. And the challenge is that same level of money and power. that they're feeding to the media is also happening in politics. So, like, testifying here at the state level on these Maha bills, three bills got passed in the state of Texas, Joe. I don't know if you've been following all that.

But these bills, I mean, you would think we were asking to, like, I don't even know. Like, the level of fuckery that went down with these bills was crazy. So first off, industry didn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell. that we were going to get Maha bills passed in the state of Texas because it's so Republican intensive. And a lot of these politicians have, you know, relationships and ties with industry. And we're an industry-forged state. And we always want to be an industry-forged state. But we can make money without killing people.

Right. And we can make money without chronically and systematically poisoning people. You just can't make the most money. That's the problem with all that. It's not making money. It's making the most money. And, you know, we've talked about this a bunch of times, but it's a real issue. I'm in favor capitalism.

I think it's awesome. I think communism sucks. I think, you know, socialism is contrary to human behavior characteristics that we're all aware of, right? I think we'd all agree on that. However, when you have a system that's set up where has to make more money all the time, there's only one way to do that. You have to abandon ethics and morals or co-op the fucking law, co-op the rules, co-op the regulations, make sure that you can continue to make more money whenever possible. And you're nail it. Big Pharma is not really worried that compounders are going to take away their profits.

They're going to hurt their marketing on Wall Street, their shareholder pricing, right? If there's competition, if they can shut down all competition and have a monopoly for 12 years on a compound, what does that mean for their shareholder price? How much can they skyrocket that stock price? Exactly. And that's what it's all about. And this is why people need mushrooms. For real. I'm not kidding.

I'm not kidding, because there's going to come a point in time where people realize there's got to be a way to abandon this ridiculous mindset that our country has been entrapped by. Yeah. Well, and in the state of Texas, how progressive is it that Texas passed that Ibegain bill? It's amazing. Well, kudos to Rick Perry, because him as a Republican former governor championing this is so huge because he has so many alliances with so many. different people, they'll go, well, God, if Rick Perry is saying this. And then on top of that, it's veterans that are being positively affected by this compound, by Ibogaine, by this psychedelic. And to deny veterans is very un-American, right? So if you're a Republican, good luck. If you're,

if you're doing something that fucks over veterans and they organize against you or people that support veterans are organized against you. And not just veterans, anybody who's experienced violent crime, Anybody's experienced horrific things in their life, drug addicts, all these different things that can be fixed with this one thing. And this success rate is so astronomical. So, for, let's talk about that. So for addiction, the success rate is with one experience, it's 83% successful. These people never do heroin again. They never take opiates again.

They stop drinking. They stop smoking cigarettes. Whatever the fuck it is. With two experiences, it's in the 90s. It's something like 94%. That's insane. There's not a thing like that. Yeah.

That's available. There's not a rehab would go out of business. With rehabs, if you know anybody has been to rehab, very rarely does someone go to rehab once? Yeah. You know, the most successful former alcoholic that I knew, he never went to rehab. He never did anything. He never went to a 12-step program. He crashed his car under a bridge.

He got chased by the cops. He got arrested. He's like, fuck, I'm done. And he just quit. He just quit. And he was a lifelong alcoholic. Yeah. It's so nuts.

Yeah, it doesn't work. Psychendellics have such a huge place. And to me, all of this. Yeah. All of this falls under one giant overarching theme. Medical right to choose. It's, I don't think that the federal government should be shutting down people's ability, especially with compassionate use, like somebody who's terminally.

ill or who has nothing to lose, why would you stop them from using peptides? Why would you stop them from using stem cells? Why would you stop them from using psychedelics? I asked... Of course, but that's just... I mean, let's not wait until they're almost dead. Yeah, well, we could get... Exactly.

Terminally ill people. Let's not wait for that. And the data on mushrooms and psilocybin and its effects on depression, astronomically show more compelling data than anything you're going to see in an SSRI or antidepressants. Not only that, it doesn't kill you at all. Yeah. Like, literally doesn't kill you. Like the LD50 for mushrooms, you physically can't consume enough to kill half the population. Yeah. You know, LD50 for people don't know. The lethal, lethal dose of 50% of the people that test. So, you know, like if you give strychnine to 100 people,

pretty much 100 people are going to die. And that's where I'm excited because I do know. And then Secretary Kennedy did say, please resonate for me that I believe in Americans' right to choose and control their health. journey and I am a proponent of peptides stem cells hyperbaric yeah and this is why I see all these political hacks that are online saying he's dangerous yeah this is why all these people are like tweeting and retweeting this stuff and thinking there some of them I think thinking they're being a good person some of them are classically educated you know and they they really don't pay attention to anything outside of mainstream news and they're lost and they think that they're doing the right thing

while also playing ball. Did you see Huberman on Bill Maher? Yes, I did. Yeah, did you see where Bill Maher asked him, I think about 20% of what most, this is Bill Maher saying he thinks about, most Americans think 90% of what we're told in health care's right. Bill says, I think it's about 20.

And he looks at, Heberman says, what do you think? And he said, 10. And then he talked about his buddy, who's a high professor at Stanford, said at least at minimal 60% of what we've been taught is wrong. That's insane. Yeah.

Yeah. And the problem is also textbooks don't get updated. They don't get updated to, well, there's always new studies that come out. There's always new information that comes out. If you were a textbook three years ago, like that thing is probably not good anymore when it comes in certain disciplines. Well, and look at all the botched studies. Like you and I've covered testosterone and how that was a study in the 1930s that was debunked. Then you had the women's health initiative, which scared the hell out of women from estrogen and hormone replacement therapy, which led to them now getting on products. that cause a cascade effect of other health issues. Even if you look at, we covered depression, but now go to statins. Guess who created the screening tools. Yes, and who raised the threshold. It was all big pharma. And then you go to osteoporosis and osteopenia. Nine out of the 10 folks who decided that were consultants for industry.

Industry, including Merck, who made fosomax, which was an osteoporosis medication, over and over and over. again we can systematically go through every element of health care and break down how that system was captured and corrupted and I'm not saying doctors are bad doctors are doing their best to navigate a system they're being taught in school systems that were built in this ecosystem and they look at it and go there's even another person at the FDA that in a blog that they do talked about how basically preventative care is bullshit and that the only way is medicine and I'm like if If these are the people that are going to be controlling our accessibility and our health care system, it's terrifying. Well, that's Peter Hottos, right? Like, if you follow him online and I'm not picking on Peter, but you should. He says you're a bully, but then he tweeted when he said him a bully. He said that stuff on X and stuff in the past. Oh, because I was trying to get him to have a debate.

Yeah. And then he tweeted after we testified, a. of like a 1950s Batman characters and was like this is who they bring in front of Congress to testify and I saw that and I'm like 1950s all the joke the Joker and the penguin and all this and I'm like he tweeted that yeah and I was thinking you're the one that looks like the penguin what he's a silly boy I'm not taking out of your advice from you so I when I exposed him on the show when I had that conversation with him about his own personal health that was probably the most telling thing that he's ever been involved with Because people got a chance to see, oh, these are the people that are telling you you have to take this medication. People that eat junk food that don't work out, that are overweight, and, you know, generally unhealthy. Don't take vitamins. It's fine.

You just triggered this thought. When I was testifying, it's exactly what you're talking about. When I was testifying at the state level, okay, to remove ultra-processed foods and Cokes and soft drinks from food stamps. because a large percentage of the money of our food stamps are spent on ultra-processed foods that are poisoning systematically these poverty-stricken communities. Yeah. We're just trying to reallocate the resources and change school lunches and mandate PE and mandate nutritional training and mandate that your doctor has to have nutritional training and mandate that in elementary school through junior high, you get nutritional training. That's what these bills were about. Okay, while I'm in the middle of trying to explain to congressmen and congresswomen

how detrimental a soft drink is, because they don't know. I'm trying to just say, look, the difference between a very chronically ill diabetic patient and a healthy patient is literally about a teaspoon of sugar in the bloodstream. Do you know how many teaspoons of sugar are in a Coke? And as I'm in the middle of trying to say it, one of the Congresswoman holds her Coke up in the microphone, for effect and drinks her coke wow and everyone just busts out laughing but i'm like okay well the answer is eight to 12 teaspoons of sugar and you're giving it to a child you're giving a child eight to 12 teaspoons of sugar at a time and then you're wondering why our children are obese

you're wondering why over 70% of americans are obese you're wondering why diabetes is at an all time high, chronic disease. Or why they failed the ADHD test that I took? Yeah. Did I fail? Yeah, well, you didn't fail, but you do have a, you need to be checked out a little further. There you go. Now, imagine if I had a job that sucked.

Yeah. So if I had a job that sucked, I bet I would have answered very often to most of the ones. I was like, nah, those don't apply. Yeah. So then I would need ADHD medication. Yeah. I told you this on the very first podcast. I'm not splitting atoms on the weekends, man.

I failed kindergarten I'm literally dyslexic I'm ADHD they wanted me on Ritalin my parents are like we don't want to put him on Ritalin they said he's got to go to pre-first I was in a class with kids with helmets

dude like I kid you not I didn't go to first grade I went to pre-first they thought I was mentally handicapped and I'm like sitting in there like oh man this sucks

I remember to this day I was like I don't belong in here but I just didn't fit in that ecosystem I was I'm sure I was hyper. I'm a fucking kid. Of course. I'm hyper now and I'm a grown man. I can't sit still. You know, I have a new puppy.

And when you have a puppy, you realize like, oh, this is what kids are like. Like, this puppy is insane. So I have Marshall who's out here today. So Marshall's almost nine and Marshall's really chill. I mean, he's got plenty of energy, super healthy, runs around, gets a lot of exercise

in. But this fucking puppy is off the rails. I have a videos of them playing, like Marshall will pick up a toy and then like Charlie would come over and try to grab the toy. He's leaping at him, throwing himself through the air, diving underneath him, biting his face, the rolling around. He's insane.

He can't sit down. And then he crashes, then he wakes up, he pisses and shits, and then he wants to eat, and then he wants to go out of it again. Take that, stick it in a classroom. Yeah. That's what you're doing with kids. Kids are basically human puppies, and we're making them sit in these fucking classes. And some of them, guess what, have more fucking energy than the other ones.

And they're more active and they're more physical, just like dogs, just like every other animal, every other organism. And those ones will probably do great things if they find something that interest them because they have more energy. And because they can blow off all the shit that doesn't mean anything to them, which is like a lot of the obligations weigh you down and take away your effectiveness, the thing that you actually enjoy. If you have a bunch of things you're concentrating all of your time on that are basically bullshit, the thing that's really important to you, you don't have any resources to allocate to fix that thing, so you're going to be less effective at it. Whereas a retard like me can just fucking laser beam on things. And I could just draw, I can just ignore every, I'll throw my clothes on the ground. I don't give a fuck, dude. I could live in a cave and I can just like lock down.

But that's how you succeed at things. I would have to hyper focus. If it's something I'm interested in, it's easy. I can hyperfocus, I can retain, I have good data recall. If it's something you're interested in. If it's like Ferris Bueller's Day Off and it's some mundane. Bueller. It's torture, man.

And I can't sit still in this environment. But that's why you're successful. This is what people don't understand. That's a superpower. But I know for sure. I would have anxiety if I didn't work out. I have anxiety. Like when we were in Europe and I didn't work out, day three, I'm like, restless, man.

And that anxiousness comes out. To me, that's like going somewhere and not eating. I'm not going to do that either. Yeah. Like, if I go on vacation, I literally bring kettlebells. I have two 70s and 250s. They travel with me. You put them in a suitcase?

I get them there. Oh, my God, dude. Ship them to where I'm going. That's hilarious. I don't give a fuck, dude. I'm working out. Because I have a problem I think Cam Sane said he did that with that rock

Did he tell I swear he told me a story He fucking packed that rock That he has people carry Cam did that? Yeah for something I remember him telling that story and I think I got lost He keeps that rock on the mountain And I'm like don't you worry someone's gonna be a fan of take It's like no kind of person who would take

It's too much of a pussy to carry it Oh my God, that's funny It's hilarious this fucking rock that he carries everywhere. But, you know, you have to stay healthy. And for me, that's my medicine. I'm not, if I was a diabetic and I would say, I'm not taking any insulin. Well, guess what? You're a type one diabetic. If you don't take insulin, you're going to fucking die, right? Unfortunately, you've got bad genes when it comes to the creation of insulin. That's how I am with exercise, man. Like, I'm doing it. If I take a day off, I'm a maniac. I don't like it. I don't like

that feeling. I mean, I can take a day off. I can relax. But day two, day two is like, But it's also my brain, it's like, hey, what are you doing? You're going to be a lazy fuck now? Is that what you're doing? You're going to be a fat pussy? But just that hyper-focus and going through a workout and then you come out the other end and it's mental. It's a huge mental relief.

Gigantic. And my anxiety goes from an eight. It's creeping up. Now it's an eight. And then I go workout and it'll be in a two. It's good for everybody. Listen, the nicest people that I know do jujitsu. And I know that sounds crazy.

The nicest people that I know are like regularly, yanking on people's elbow joints and fucking tackling them then they're the nicest people I know and the reason why they're nice is because they take their fucking medicine they take their anti-aggressive medicine and the idea that that somehow is bad

and like what we need to do is eliminate all masculinity no you need to harness it just like everything else I mean this is just like the same response that we had to nuclear power oh we had three mile islands stop the nukes no more nukes we've got a problem No, figure out to harness it.

We were really bad at gasoline in the 70s. We put fucking lead in it. And that's why everybody got lead poisoning. And then we had to come up with unleaded gasoline, which is just don't add lead to it, you fucking assholes. Don't burn lead and blast it through the air everywhere you go. That seems fucking insane. Well, we had to figure out how to harness it. Just like we have to figure out how to harness masculinity.

I think we're going to – you brought up lead, and I wanted to get it. get into the, one, the state of Texas stuff, which parallels and runs into the glyphosate shit. If you want to talk about that, do you want to? I would love to talk about that. Because one of the things is happening. Because I know that they've got an alternative to glyphosate that's even worse. Yeah, they do. And so one of the thing that's happening is at the federal level, they are looking to give big ag and big chemical immunity on all these chemicals they're spraying on our food.

and they're voting in secret. This is another fuckery moment as part of one of the bills that's being reviewed by Congress. They are attempting to vote in secrecy where we don't know who cast their vote to cast unified immunity on any future lawsuit against glyphosate or atrazine. And we know how well that work for vaccine manufacturers, so maybe we should try it. Yeah, exactly. And we do know, let's point this out that the company Monsanto that manufactures glyphosate, is the same company that created Agent Orange, is the same company that created DDT,

is the same company that, with Bayer, tested their products on Nazi concentration camp victims, is the same company that pushed product in the Third World Nations where they didn't have checks and balances and couldn't come after them. So let's just stop right there. If Satan was the CEO,

don't you think you'd be the head of that company? Oh, my God, dude. She'd imagine it, but like if you said, well, there's a company in the world where Satan's the CEO. What company do you think that would be? And then you had all this evidence. you lay it out, you're like, oh my God, Satan's alive.

He's real. He's killing people with Agent Orange. Yeah. And what's crazy is in Europe, they're in, in Europe, the allowable amount of glyphosate is literally almost one-fourth of what they're allowing in the United States. And so the farmers and the lobbyist groups here in the state of Texas, when we tried to pass this food bill, okay, we shocked industry. because, candidly, it was the land of misfit toys. It's literally me, and I don't mean that derogatory, but it's like, it's just a bunch of average Joe's testifying against lobbyists. And so it was me, an 18-year-old girl named Grace, who's a food advocate, my buddy Jason Karp, who owns like a food company, and then Dr. Hyman in the initial testimonies. Hold up. There's an 18-year-old girl that's testifying.

Yeah. She's a food expert. She's a food advocate because she has been able to cure, I don't know her exact story, but her, she's brilliant. So she's the Greta Thurnberg of food? Yeah, pretty much. She had a, she's not the polar opposite of her. But she's a brilliant girl because she was able to cure some of her chronic illness through no longer eating ultra-processed foods. And so now she's become an advocate for these things.

Do you know what illnesses she had? I don't remember. I don't want to say. Her name's Grace Price. And she's only 18. That's kind of crazy. She's brilliant. She killed it. But here's what happens.

We go to testify. Who shows up? You expose this. I think I texted you about it, and then you talked about it on the podcast. The American Heart Association came to testify against us because they didn't want Coke and twinkies and soft drinks and ultra-processed foods removed from school lunches, SNAP programs. Well, listen, thank God they're around to set everybody on the right path. Thank God the American Heart Association is there to stand up for Twinkies and Coca-Cola, which, by the way, I enjoy. I mean, if I could just have a day where I didn't think about my health at all, I would love a nice glass of Coca-Cola with a few Twinkies.

Yeah. They're fucking delicious. But I know if I did that an hour later, I would want to die. I would feel so bad. And when I do that now, this is the thing that I, every now and then I will fuck off and, like, eat an ice cream Sunday. and I feel so bad that I go, how many people feel like this all the time? Exactly. How many people, this is their default state?

And then you add it to a non-robust body. So you add it to a body that's been sedentary, been eating this stuff forever. So you have this constant cascading effect of inflammation, your fat, your back hurts, your head, you've got brain fog. All day long, you're dealing with this. And that's your default. So what happens to me for a very brief amount of time, wherever I drink a milkshake, I'm like, oh, I feel like shit. That's their whole life.

Yeah. You're describing my dad. My dad is in that system where he literally just, I love him, but he believes in all this bullshit that he's told, he goes to the doctor and they say, you know, historically, this is when he was younger, he'd be on four or five meds. And they'd go, oh, everything's good. Everything checked out good. And he'd come back and say, yeah, doctor said, everything's good. You're on six meds, dude.

What do you mean everything's good? You're on six fucking medications. My dad is now on 12 prescription medications and ended up in the hospital last weekend because of contraindications in the drugs. The third leading cause of death in America's medical misdiagnosis. And my dad, come in. We can do a full workup. Is that funny?

Do you know how funny that is? You're a dad. You're a dad. You're a dad. fucking listen. Yeah. Yeah. My parents take vitamins now finally. And it's like

dude. Yeah, it's weird man. People don't want to listen to their kids and they don't want to change the path that they're on because then they have to admit their whole life has been kind of stupid. People don't want to admit that. They don't want to admit that they're a buffoon. People are so, they cling so hard to their identity

of being correct. Yeah. It's too much of what you think of when you think of yourself as you're choices and the way you think about things. And that's where industry's done a killer job, though, Joe. I know. But for people that are listening to this, if you find yourself in that little category, really that's the weakness.

The weakness is not in admitting that you're wrong exposes that you are wrong and that's weakness. No, the real weakness is not being able to admit that you're wrong. That's the real weakness because then you'll, look, everybody's wrong sometimes. Everybody does something wrong sometimes. It's part of being a human. Our brains are, it depends entirely on the interactions that you've had the day, how much taxes you owe that you don't think you're going to be able to pay, your credit card statements, your fucking, bu, bu, your wife hates you. You think your friend might be fucking doing something shady in this business deal that you guys got together.

You're all fucking stressed out all the time. That's most of us. People in these conditions are going to make mistakes. You're going to not look at data that you assumed was correct. and you're going to argue for something that was wrong. And we found this a lot during the COVID days. It was really hard for people that got shitty with me to come around and admit, like, oh, you kind of had a point. There's a few of them that I lost forever and that have never admitted that they were wrong.

Never admitted that this whole thing was like they get caught up in a sci-op. But that's weak. You've referred me. Not just you, just in general people hearing this, but we have helped so many fucking people. with long COVID, vaccine-related COVID. Yeah, let's call it long COVID. I don't know anybody with long COVID that wasn't vaccinated. Do you?

No. No. I honestly don't. And one of the people you referred us, who's like a mega star, I didn't get his permission to talk about his, so I won't say his name, but he literally sent me a long email saying thank you. He's the best, isn't he? He's a real human.

He said his voice, everything is back, like he's been complimented. He's like, I just cannot thank you and your team enough. I fucking love that guy. He's a wish we could say his name too because we can't. But I did jellyrolls like, tell my story, man. Jellyroll's like, tell it. He's down 200 pounds and not on a GLP one. It's amazing.

I want to be clear. Yeah. He is not on a GLP one. Jelly roll, when we met with him, he said, Bubba, I don't want an asterisk next to this. Yeah, he also threw his phone away. Yeah, yeah. He don't have a phone anymore. He's got an assistant.

He calls me from his laptop. Isn't that amazing? He'll FaceTime me from his phone. No, that's the way to be healthy. It's really, it's real, man, you know. Yeah. If you can, that's another thing that people need to take consideration when you're talking about mental health. As much as social media is really valuable, I would never advocate for a ban on social media.

I think it's really valuable. It's also really bad for you. And it's really bad for you if you are interacting with nameless, faceless people and they're being negative to you. Yeah. You're being negative to them. And, you know, you're arguing about climate. I don't even, I'm a nobody, I don't have hardly any, and I don't even use it anymore other than for work because of the political stuff, people are like, you cook, do, do, do, they just start attacking you and I'll see that. I'm like, dude, I'm telling you the truth, man, I get it.

You don't like what I have to say, but I'm not lying. I mean, tell me where I'm lying. I'm documenting everything. I have the receipts. Yeah, no, I get it too. And what you know, what's really funny is when people get mad at you if you criticize the administration. Like, well, this is what you voted for. Like, listen, fuck face.

Nobody voted for people. No, like, maybe a few people thought that, like, some of the ice raids, the way they're doing it, where they're showing up at Home Depot and just getting hardworking landscapers and just sending them back to Mexico. Ed Calderon, who's an expert in the cartels who was on the other day, he was explaining to me that they're getting kids that were brought over here when they were two, and they've been here for 18 years. So now they're 20, and they don't speak Spanish. But they're deporting them. Yeah. That's, and that's my thing. You can't believe you have to be able to fucking stand your ground on individual topics.

Otherwise you're a monkey. Nobody voted for that. Yeah. I certainly didn't think that they were going to do that. If they said, this is what we're going to do. You know, all those kids that were brought over here when they were babies and been raised in America and have American friends and American jobs? We're going to send them to Mexico where they don't even speak the language. Yeah.

Fuck. You guys are evil. Yeah. Fuck you. Well, and then what you're describing is literally the messages I get. You fucking idiot. This is what you fought for. Okay, I can tell you right now, Secretary Kennedy is fighting for the things that were hot button topics for me.

He was. He is. That team is. And we are trying to overhaul our food system and all of these different aspects. He doesn't control the fucking EPA. Right. Like, I don't control the, I can't control if Congress, and don't get it wrong, it is Republicans and Democrats. But it's going to take both of them colluding to pass this bill.

that will give immunity to chemical companies. And one of the things I do want to point out, because, again, line of sight, and there's so many whackamoles and so much shit. Donald Trump probably doesn't know this. One of the things that I've been ringing the bell with with the FDA is that most of the ingredients in drugs are coming from China. And if we're worried about China and the future of our relationship with China, we probably shouldn't be allowing all of our pharmaceutical companies to buy all of their ingredients from

China. But let's get into big chemical. glyphosate we have banned i don't remember the name of the chinese company but several states have banned have banned this major chinese agrochemical chemical company from spraying any of our crops because we don't want chinese chemicals sprayed on our food dirty little secret what percentage of montanto's chemicals do you think come from china 100% 100% 100 fucking So if you have a concern about national security, maybe we should stop letting Monsanto fucking systematically spray our food with a bunch of Chinese chemicals. Well, not only that, when 94% of Americans show glyphosate in their blood, maybe we've got a little bit of an issue.

Well, let's just, this is like take the Stephen Colbert approach. It's such a small number. Such a little amount. What are you worried about? Put all your faith of the experts. No. Well, even that, there is a solution, and I don't have all the answers, but we need to raise the questions. We've got to be able to have the discussions and whether we're talking about. The solution is we have to figure out whether it's possible to do regenerative agriculture through the entire country. Do you know that Putin is trying to do that with Russia?

No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Putin is banning use of industrial chemicals in agriculture and trying to move this whole country to regenerative. of farming. Well, so when I learned from talking to this farmer. Not saying he's a good guy. Not saying what he did in Ukraine was great. But for his country in that regard, like, when you're a dictator, one of the things

that's got to be great is you have the ability to go, oh, these people are fucking criminals. Like, look what they're doing. Oh, they're fucking over the health of all my people. They're making it for their own profit. They're making everyone else unhealthy. And then they're gaslighting everybody. And then they're in bed with all these fucking Congress. people who they pay off because they they fund their re-election campaigns and they fund their super

packs so powerful joe it's so much money man can you pull up again sorry is could you pull up on the waste of what website there's the senate testimonies it's big chemical so where i was going earlier so i'm so a dhd no it's okay but where i was going is if you're a good dictator you go well fuck those people yeah you can fix it not that putin's a good dictator i just have to say all these things yeah i'm saying uh so one of the things i learned from a farmer and i don't know farming obviously I'm not I'm a health care guy I had a farmer tell me that 70%

of our glyphosate exposure is because the dry harvesting so it's in the last helm we spray glyphosate apparently on the crops to dry them out faster so we can harvest them faster but that's all in the last week and if we didn't do that we would reduce glyphosate exposure

by 70% so it's just and we're not on the cusp of a population boom our fertility rates are plummeting our population declining, we're going to be headed towards a crisis. Elon's covered all of this. Jamie, there's one with, it's...

It's a video? And it's, if you pull it up, let's see, oh, because I want you to hear that... This one or... The other one. This one? Ah, shit. I don't know which one it is. I think it's... Organic. Yeah, click organic miss. It's either that one

or the one next to it. That was... The organic... Yeah, that one. If it'll play. This is a lobbyists for Big Chemical who testified here in Texas to kill the bill. And what he's saying... Then there are from people eating foods that may have had pesticides. The truth is, industry is terrified that what will happen is American mothers will see those

labels and realizing they're poisoning their children. You're using manure for organic foods. It has to be solely manure, and that is the agent that creates dangers in organic A bag of laced potato chips has a 50% profit margin. I heard Mr. Busey earlier say something to nature, but I don't want the price of eggs to go up. Well, guess what? Eggs have one ingredient. Eggs.

There are more accounts of people dying from eating organic foods than there are from people eating foods that may have had pesticides. Okay. These are the people. Well, we'll keep going on that. What is the answer to that? That was it? Oh, that was the first thing that he said? Oh, my God.

The more people are dying eating organic foods? That was his argument. Okay, first of all, look at him. That fella is filled with inflammation. Yeah. That fella, there's no way that dude is hiking up to the top of that hill. What I was going to say is this is where I was going earlier. This is so crazy.

We, the land of misfit toys, a couple of us fucking every average day Joe's are going up against the American Art Association. AgeB's lobbying group, Bucky's lobbying group, Coca-Cola, Pepsi, they brought the fucking. heat. 31 to nothing. We got the vote through the Senate. 31 to nothing. And then they said, holy shit, these assholes are going to pull this off in the state of Texas. They descended upon Texas with lobbyists out the ass. And I'm getting calls like, hey, can you come back to the Capitol? Can you come talk to congressmen and congresswomen? They're looking to kill the bill. They're going to kill the bill. It was the highest level of fuckery. I had Senator Colhurst. I had Lacey whole a representative calling and saying they are pulling out all the stops all the stops and

they are telling congressmen and congresswomen you're going to create food deserts you're going to starve minority communities this is a race play like you name it they're going to starve they don't have coca cola we ended up having to concede and this is kind of it was a little bit of a smart move by lacy and senator colhurst we put glyphosate naturesine in the bill to be listed as one of the substances that is known to cause harm okay It isn't a food ingredient, so it was never going to make it through on the bill. It was literally a smokescreen to provide ground coverage and a negotiation tool. But it also allowed us to see who's against it and what politicians are going to support big chemical.

And these motherfuckers came out in the droves. And one of the main guys from freaking representative from Waco tried to kill the bill and turn the bill into a study. He said this shouldn't be a bill This should just be a long-term study And then industry came in and said We should kill the bill at the state level And push it back to the feds We agree with you there needs to be reformed

But let's push it back to the feds And so but what people don't understand is We got the bills done We got three of these monumental bills done One of them require labels that disclose Any banned substances in the state of Texas Now have to be put on the front of a label Almost like a black box warning

So like RD40 all that shit Any of the food dyes, any of the additives. What's not on there are big chemical, because big chemical wasn't a food ingredient. And the lobby for big chemical is so powerful. And that's where I was going with this. They, I mean, it is crazy the lobby that Monsanto and these companies have. And they're going to do that at the federal level. And they're going to try and get this exemption around all pesticides.

And my rebuttal to that, and I said this on a call, is if I'm going to a bar and I'm not going to fuck someone, there's no reason to carry a condom. So if you're not fucking me, why do you need the condom? If you're not fucking the American people, why do you need a condom? You're giving them a condom, but they're telling us they're not going to fuck us. Yeah. Why do you need this exemption? If your product's not causing cancer, why do you need an exemption? Yeah, exactly. If your vaccines aren't causing damage, why are we giving you a blanket exemption. It's yet another smokescreen from industry

to protect their profits and shut down anybody from ever being able to go after them for the damages they cause. 100%. And I don't get it. Republicans, Democrats, they're all implicitly involved in this. Well, we have to also understand that in a lot of countries, this stuff is

banned. And it's banned for a very good reason. It's banned because we know it causes harm. Why, in the greatest country in the world, do we ever have anyone that we allowed to advocate for harm for profit just just harm it's not like this is the only way to grow food people grow food all over the world man yeah the idea that this is the only way to grow food is pretty insane especially when we have examples when we yeah but the thing is like

scalability i don't know if white oaks pastures if you could scale that out yeah and and and feed the world i think we might have fucked up i think we might have fucked up by jamming you know i don't how many millions of people are in L.A. 20? What's the number? What's the real number? You know, what's the real number? No one knows. The ice raids had the fucking, the streets empty. So no one knows what the real number is, right? But just how many people do you have to feed? No, and even, I think I said this earlier. So you have to grow food. Didn't I tell you that there was, they call them the Monsanto papers or whatever. And in a FOIA request, there's this leaked document between the head of the EPA and Monsanto where he, this individual says,

if I get this done for you guys, you owe me a medal. Yeah, I said that. Okay, I can't remember because then there's the whole Coca-Cola aspect of it, too. The point is, in L.A., no one's growing anything. Yeah. So you have 20 million people jammed into an area where the only thing that's growing is weed. It's the only thing that anyone's growing in L.A. Imagine if you get people so excited about tomatoes and oranges as you do about

weed you know and everybody's like look at my tomato plants or even what you talk about a bunch is hunting like so many people are out of touch with the reality of what it takes to create food no I'm just saying like even where their food comes from well where the food comes from for sure so the problem what I was getting at is that I think we have set ourselves up where our population numbers in areas like Los Angeles and New York are so great that you almost need factory farming to provide those people with enough nutrition to stay alive like it's it's it gets that weird because if you get to numbers right if you get to 20 million humans that aren't growing food all right so they need to get so somebody else they've they've you know pushed off to

someone else the responsibility of acquiring food all they have to do is give them currency to get that food that is a new thing with human beings this is a new thing it's a new thing where we do that with enormous populations and then so what's the solution the solution is one of the most immoral and unethical solutions that anyone has ever come up with anything stuff a bunch of animals into a fucking warehouse have them piss and shit into a giant pond that you have outside that literally is probably poisoning the air around it for miles and then spray the fuck out of this monocrop agriculture because you've completely distorted what nature is and you've you've got thousand acres of corn like that never happens in the world and all the animals and all the plants are supposed to to kind of like intermingle in an ecosystem. And for profit, you've decided to like set up this fucking Frankenstein lab where you just spray death juice all over the fucking corn. And then you subsidize the farmer so that corn syrup is in goddamn everything, everything,

including fucking salad dressing. You know, and then you have canola oil, which is really just rapeseed oil. And it's a disgusting fucking industrial lubricant that you're, You're pretending is heart healthy. And like, this is the system that we're in right now. And most people, you know, there's a giant percentage of people that have been educated by traditional media that think that everything that I'm saying is conspiracy theory nonsense from bro science guy, which I am bro science guy. I have a degree in bro science. But this is all just real, folks.

You're fucking poisoned. And if you continue to eat that way, you're going to be doomed. Your body's going to fall apart. That's just a fact. We know it. We all know it. Process food diets are just, there's no one that can say they're good for you. They're bad for you.

Here's the question. Do we have enough stake in this? Do we have enough people's understanding of the dire consequences where we can have a real conversation about how do we feed all these people ethically and morally? Because right now we have agag laws where if someone, like I say, if you work at some slaughterhouse or some place, You're not allowed to film the atrocities that you see. Yeah, there's laws. Yeah, you will go to jail.

So if you show up at one of those horrible pig farms where they got these pigs like stuff next to each other and shitting through grates and then that, you ever seen that? I've seen that. Yeah, it's brutal, man. If you film that and put it on TikTok, like this is where your bacon comes from, you go to jail. You go to jail. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, if they're doing, if they're abusing the animals, like there's videos of guys that working in slaughterhouse, like beating cows over the head and kicking. them when they're down and slicing their throats and letting them squirm around those kind of videos

you'll go to jail for filming them yeah no consequences for the people that are doing it because here's the other dirty secret it's just so short-sighted here's the other dirty secret where do you think they get their employees from if you you're going to run an disgusting unethical immoral business who are you going to hire first of all it's disgusting dirty work no one wants to smell pig shit all day Who are you going to hire? Well, you're going to hire people that snuck into the country because you don't have to have have to have documents on them. You don't have to pay them any kind of health care.

You don't have to give them any kind of benefits. You don't have to give them jack shit. So you benefit from keeping that fucking border wide open. And these people that have publicly talked about this, we need the labor in this country because they're doing jobs that Americans don't want to do. Well, you should really ask yourself, do we need those jobs? Do we need to be doing it the way that we're doing it where those jobs are a necessity in 2025? Yeah.

Or are we captive to an evil industry that cares more about money than it does about humans? Yeah. Which is demonic. Well, I think you see the history throughout all industry, you know, it's that it's just... But it's like always a battle of good and evil and that's where we have to understand. Like, don't lose faith. Like, oh my God, people suck. No, no, no, no, no, no.

a small amount of people suck and some of those people get power and then they control massive amounts of people who mostly don't suck most people don't suck literally what you're saying is um and we've talked about this but i swear to god like when denise came on to waste well to help me start this thing almost 10 years ago our conversation was if we keep our moral compass if we make this about people this is this is the hand of god truth man this isn't Hey, brother, I love you. You don't have to tell me. This is one of the reasons why you're on this. You're a really good person, like a genuinely good person.

And I've seen you interact with fucking dozens of people that are my very good friends. I've seen you. I've talked to people that I knew, but that you maybe didn't know that I knew them independently. And they've told me they've had amazing experiences with you. You're a good guy. I know, and you're making good money. But your mindset is so on the money. like, do the best that you can for people, and all the other stuff will fall into place.

Like, the problem with corporations is that you can't function like that. You have an obligation to your stakeholder. So even if you're a good person, which I think most of those people are probably good people that have been co-opted. And then there's this diffusion of responsibility because you're a part of a gigantic corporation. Maybe I don't like what's going on. Maybe I don't like what we're doing. But, hey, all I can do is affect what I do around me.

Like when you're a defense lawyer and you're helping someone get off and you know he's a murderer. And you have to help because this is your job. Like a guy stabbed his wife and you have to pretend he didn't. I can't even have empathy for that because this is hard like even running this company. I'm under attack. I mean, we have 500 employees. I'm battling the FDA. I'm battling the state of Texas.

We were worried about the DEA and it changing telemedicine law. But then you still have competition. And beyond market pressure from big pharma, there's other compounding pharmacies. There's other telemedicine companies. There's other telemedicine apps. There's other AI driven. And you're sitting here and I'm watching what the market's doing and I disagree with it. And I've stead my ground. And if I'm wrong, I let down 500 people. If I get this wrong, I disappoint and let down 500 fucking people that believed in me that took a leap of faith that have worked at these companies because I have refused to outsource care. What I have seen when

when I came on this podcast, I guess almost four years ago, now the first time, we had this boom. We had only managed like 7,000 patients. I go on here and 20,000 people try to register in like a day. And I'm like, holy shit. And people are like, you guys suck and why can't you be in my state? And I'm like, because to get into your state is a lot more complicated. The way my competitors are doing it is they're just outsourcing to a telemedicine doc that has no

training in this disease state. and that to me is no different than big pharma. If we're going to just push pills and one size fits all approach, how is that medicine? That's not predictive, preventive, impersonalized. And the vision of this company was to be predictive, preventative, and personalized. And I've had people try and buy us out. And I've had people offer to buy us out. And I could take a payday.

But I look at that and I go, we're barely scratching the surface. And the day I sell, this thing is no longer what it is. I really believe that. It's just going to be a money. You don't have to say any of what you just said, because I know that you would never do that. I know who you are. And to speak to the level of personalization you guys do, I get vitamins that are personally adjusted to whatever my blood work is. And that's what I take now.

I take ways to well vitamins. I take eight of them. I just throw them on my mouth, swall them all at once. Some people think that's gross. It's easy for me. No water, nothing? Oh, I drink water for sure. Oh, I was like, you just raw talking about them.

I got him. How would you even do that? I could even swallow one without water. I know people who will just swallow a bunch of pills. I can't do it. I have to sip one pill at a time. They have no water. Oh man, Justin Rimm, when he would take his vitamins, he would just throw like a whole

handful in and just swallow him. I'm like, how do you do that, dude? No water? Yeah, I don't know he's a huge human, but Jesus. That's Viking genes. They're used to eating mushrooms that way when they would go on berserker raids. But, you know, I just, that's all I have to take now. And I'm going to get my new blood work soon to see where everything's at.

I think I'm going to add a bunch of stuff back in, particularly niacin, and then a bunch of other stuff that I was taking that really seems to have worked in terms of stopping macular degeneration, age-related macular degeneration. I think that and the red light therapy has worked. I don't use reading glasses anymore when I read my phone. Hell, man. That's nuts. And GHK and BPC and stem cells and all of these things have benefits in every one of those aspects. There was that study out of Europe, I think we covered it last time, for degenerative eyesight loss in using red light therapy. Yeah, my eyesight is still not the best.

Like if I put a pair of readers on, I can see better, but I have no problem reading. It's just like a little fuzzy, but not to the point where I can't read things anymore. But it was getting worse. Yeah. It was getting significantly worse. Like every six to eight months I would notice a decline like, fuck, man, I can't see shit anymore. And then I started wearing reading glasses. I've stopped that.

So it's not just stopped in its tracks, but my eyesight has gotten better, which is, nobody thinks that's possible. Ask most ophthalmologists, like, what? You're going to take vitamins and you're going to, like, stare at the red light. Well, it makes sense because all of these things are in an effort to refuel ATP, and eyesight and ocular degeneration requires an immense amount of ATP. And as our cells begin to degrade, those are the first cells that are going to go and begin to lose their functionality. Yes. And so if we can refuel ATP and maximize ATP, then we can optimize your chances at these degenerative things not occurring. And that's my whole point of these building blocks, peptides, stem cells, amnion, purified, all of it, all of it, PRP, you name it.

All of these things are tools in the tool belt that aren't readily available or even talked about in traditional medicine. And it's not because your doctor or clinician's a bad guy or girl. It's because they're in an insurance model. And insurance doesn't cover any of these things. Exactly. And that's the real problem in this country, that everything has been co-opted by businesses. And it's not the right path towards your health. And there is a path towards your health.

And we have to fucking light the way. And have to say, hey, this road that we're on, do you know goblins built this road? Do you know this road leads to the fucking goblin house? Yeah, guys. I know way around to the enchanted forest. Go this way. You're our mutual friend. I asked him and his mom if I could talk about this, Jesse Michaels.

So Jesse's dad is older and he's suffering from dementia. And they flew down here. I said, just get him down here. And again, it's very nuanced. We did a lot of things he was here for three days. They're academics. Jesse's brilliant. You can tell that kid's brilliant, but his parents are brilliant too.

They're psychologists. And so both his parents are psychologists. and his dad's battling dementia and has had a cognitive decline. And they came in and his mom was a mega, mega skeptic. And on day three, she came into the clinic with tears in her eyes, hugged Veronica, hugged the team, which I got to thank the team that is here in Austin because those people are unbelievable. I love my team.

They're the magic. They're amazing. It's a great place. It's very positive. Yeah. And she hugged us and cried and said, night. This stuff makes me emotional because it's, I believe it, man. I'm telling you. I've seen it. I believe it. I'm a believer. You're never going to change my mind. I don't give a shit what these

people are saying at the federal level. This stuff is life-changing. And I've witnessed it. The dementia story. She tears in her eyes, hugged to the team and said, last night, I had my husband back. If nothing else. What did you do? If this is all we get out of this, we did stem cells. We did he was there for the three-day experience which was like hyperbaric cellular therapy peptides hit him with everything but the kitchen sink like what we do with with all these folks and we systematically red light we did all of it but he's here for a three-day experience and we run him through these things just to see if we can launch him into like a healthier space going back home reduce inflammation help with all of these different aspects hidden with GHK hidden with BPC

hidden with stem cells all of these different peptides and building blocks anyways she she literally was in tears and hugged the team and said for the first time in a long time I had my husband back last night it was like the olden days like we talked we laughed we hugged I had my husband back and she said if if it's just that if all I get out of this is that one night thank you like thank you and I talked to Jesse and he's like my dad's doing the best he's done in months I'm not saying that these things are going to cure dementia I'm not saying Any of that. Dude, if I had dementia, and that happened, I would move to Austin. I'd be camped out right next to your fucking building. What time are you guys opening? Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like. But so many people think there's no hope. And people with obesity, like jelly roll. Five hundred pounds, man. And look at him. It's incredible. He's gone from walking to now he can run. Now he's playing pickup basketball games. He carried that stupid rock. Yeah, well, I think he did. He did that hike with cam. Yeah, he went up to the top of Mount Pigska. He's got. He's

He was on a lift run shoot. He was amazing on it. He's such a sweet soul of a human being. He really is. He's the nicest guy. And he looks like a criminal. A foreign criminal. Fucking tattoos all over his face.

Looks so sketchy, but he's so sweet. He's such a good dude. He's going to be on the cover of men's health and GQ now. That's incredible. It's incredible. Well, what he's done is super, super inspirational. And I hope it motivates other people. Like, you can get the weight off.

It doesn't have to be a GLP1. It doesn't have to be. And even those, like, this is where it's nuanced. Like, I understand the backlash against GLP-1s, but when titrated down and unique and proprietary to a dosage unique to that patient and when stacked with things like hormone optimization and, you know, IGF, we can burn that fat off and maintain lean muscle mass. And we're quantifying it because we have a DEXA at the clinic. So anybody who comes in, we run them through a DEXA now.

We know their lean muscle mass, their body fat, and the goals. to preserve muscle because I would argue more important to getting the body fat off and this is the pivot that I've tried to get jelly roll to and other folks the fat's going to come off let's focus on building muscle if we can build muscle and help build leg strength and help put muscle on your frame that is going to increase your metabolic burn rate that is going to put you in a better position for long term health don't make it all about the scale right make it about your body composition and how can we transition that composition to optimize lean muscle, minimize visceral and subcutaneous fat, but we don't want to give up a pound of muscle.

Right. Keep all, it's a motherfucker to put that muscle back on. You don't want to lose that muscle. Yeah, even with hormone optimization, it's a constant battle. You have to constantly be working. And if you don't, you're going to get weak. And that this is not a good thing. It's not virtuous to be weak.

And this is a problem with, you know, we were talking about. masculinity earlier yeah hyper awful masculinity is vikings right they show up in a boat they kill everybody like yeah you don't want that shame gillis his bit on Vikings oh the gay yeah well that's that would be terrifying yeah that's what they were too yeah but i think everyone was gay back then i don't you know when you read about the spartans like hey it was this unusual is everybody gay and then you're like socrates oh he was gay what the fuck was everybody gay? I think I think it was different back then. I think the

concept of gay and straight is a fairly new one. I think back then everybody just fucked everybody. I'm sure. It was wild times. Just like chimps do. It was wild times. Chimps, like bonobos, you ever watch the bonobos? They have one rule. The mom won't fuck the son. That's it. Everybody's fucking. Everybody else

is fucking everybody. No, it was chimpanzees in that. Was that benobos? Those weren't bonobos. No. What was that chimps? Yeah, that was wild. Crazy. Yeah. Bonobos are, there are weird hippie like cousins. I've heard you've been talking about Jesse's deal with the tridactyl the tridactals. Insane. And then you've seen I know we I think we talked about if you've watched the one on homo letty that bipedal primate that buried the dead deep in caves like yeah shit

we know nothing about our history. We're learning but it's a scattered we're it's not like oh we found the log book we know what happened at every step of the way no we're finding like little pieces of evidence from a burnt down building. Like, what is this? Oh, this looks like, I think this is a lighter. Well, I know you had Gary, you had Gary Nolan on, too. I haven't heard it yet. But I'm sure, where's your head at now?

Because I know you've gone back forth, back for us. Something's going on. Yeah. But whatever this thing is going on, first of all, from a material science perspective, which is what Gary was here for. Well, Gary was here to talk about his cancer research, first of all, which is fascinating. And then amazing stuff. Like, very interesting.

Then we started talking about how this was sort of an accidental introduction. Someone brought to him a piece of some kind of a craft, supposedly, that crashed, and said, could you analyze this and find out what this is? Someone in the CIA. Probably. I don't know. One of them a piece was brought to the Art Bell Show. They said that it was from a crash from like the 1940s. But this piece that had a direct chain of evidence, so people knew where it was from a crash from the 1960s in Brazil.

It was made out of almost pure silica. But the magnesium, the ratios, the isotope ratios and the magnesium had to be from a place that was experiencing what is equivalent of a neutron bomb going off every two minutes for 900 years. What the hell, dude. Right. Yeah. This is not, like, this would be hyper difficult to make today. Not saying it's impossible, this is what he's saying. Like the odds of someone making that in 1950.

Yeah. What are you talking about? And then there's this alloy that they found where there's layers at like an atomic level that this has been like a 3D printed alloy with like levels of these metals that don't occur organically, and this is from 1970? This isn't impossible today with human beings in

2025. No one's making that shit. There's not a fact, you would know. Someone would have heard about, unless there's some blacklisted military operation deep in the Nevada Mountains that no one knows about, that's doing some crazy superfunded shit that they lie to Congress about. Okay, maybe. But in

1970, were you doing that? Did you have that alloy in 1970 that we can't make today? That seems unlikely. So something's going on. Well, and your podcast with Representative Luna, I mean, I know she's on the political side, but I was listening to that. I'm like, to have a congresswoman saying these things. Or then even Tulsi came out. She was talking about intradimensional beings.

And I was like, what are you saying? You know, do you why I reached out to her to have her on the podcast? Because she made a tweet about the description of angels, what angels look like. I didn't even see it I was like whoa whoa look did you tweet this and she goes yeah

and I was like we didn't want to talk to me about this and we never even talked about it we never even got into the conversation but we got into aliens and we got into which you know I think that good and evil are real things

I think they're real things and I think there's this very big struggle both on a micro and a macro scale I think internally there's a battle of good and evil. You know when you want to do something good, but you can get away with doing something bad, the right thing to do is to do the good thing. And then you feel better because of it. This is like a weird, it's not like it's impossible for you to go into evil. If the situation was that you were, you know, in another time, in another part of the world, in a horrific war, and you had to raid a village because everyone else is raiding the village. And you have to, you have to, you have to, you know, they kill everybody because everybody else is killing everybody we're that's a part of us there's

but there's a there's a real struggle between figuring that out i wonder if that exists with some other beings from somewhere else and this is this is where you get into biblical depictions of gods and angels and demons and you go well what it what are we really talking about if these people were trying to write something down to represent a real event that took place. We're looking at it in the framework of a society that believes in aliens because we've experienced space travel. We know how to fly in planes. We know how to fly to the stars and we know where this goes. We know where this goes. This goes to a better place where you get really good at it when then you come visit us, right? So we know that. But back then

they didn't know that. Yeah. They didn't know anybody could fucking fly, right? So when if they're experiencing angels who literally fly and and devils and these fucking things that they find that like the Brazilian one said that from Virginia smells like sulfur yeah is that weird that that's what demons are like those stories all of those stories and then you go like back and even biblical scripture like the book of enoch which I know isn't like technically I'm reading that right now I've got it on audiobook right now listening to it every day it's fucking bananas it's the watchers yeah the watchers who came down from the sky to make with female to inoc took him into space and gave him

knowledge of agriculture and architecture and you're like what also sorcery oh I didn't I didn't know that yeah which is probably technology yeah yeah yeah it would be to people in that area 100% dude I think we're engineered I think This is, I think we are in a stage of our society where the growth is experiencing this confrontation with our nature. Like the growth of intelligence, the growth of the growth of awareness is experiencing this battle with the fact that wars are still going on. I think this is why like there's a lot of shock in some circles about the public. public's backlash against what's happening in Gaza, like, almost like they can't understand it. Like, you can understand, how is this possible that someone's upset?

You're fucking telling me this is the only way in 2025 human beings can behave, where you can bomb women and children. And any opposition to that is anti-Semitic. That's not flying today. You can't do that today because this is a world. So we're evolving, but we're not there yet. We're not at a place where we have no war. We're not at a place where there's no more murder. We're not at a place where you don't have to send the National Guard into Chicago

because there's 54 fucking shootings in a weekend. So if I was an alien civilization, I would wait. I would do what we're doing right now. I almost viewed as a test. I've said this. I've said this recently. I don't remember who I was, but in my mind, I look at it as kind of like what Graham Hancock says. What if we reached a level of knowledge and sophisticated?

but there's a reset button and I know the cataclysmic events and all those things and we know that happens and we know what happens I think every 70,000 years there's that it's it's historically it's gonna happen but separate from that when we look at the cosmos and we say once you have the ability to generate a certain level reach a level two society and you reach that level two society then you can create enough energy to bend space and time and in theory you could fold time and traverse the cosmos yeah okay what if the reason there's not an exorbitant amount of intelligent life in the universe or the cosmos is you have to reach a certain level of spiritual accountability and knowledge and maturity before the technological

advancement supersedes that or advances past it right because right now if you gave us infinite power yeah we're going to be fucking dead well we kind of it's terrifying well we're certainly in that situation when it comes to nuclear bombs we have enough nuclear bombs to kill everybody over and yet we're still making them yeah everybody on the planet We can get killed and we're still so stupid that we haven't pointed at each other, right? So if I was an alien, I would wait. I think that makes sense that you have to achieve some sort of a spiritual connection, but that is just assuming that you stay human and that human is the only way to go.

You know, there's this very highly criticized video of Peter Thiel, which is kind of funny. About the antichrist? No, no, no, that's another one. Poor guy. Also, kind of like, looks a little too shiny to be a regular person. He's a little too slippery looking, so that's... Reptillion. But he's a thoughtful person, and when I was asking him any question on the podcast,

he has these long pauses before he answers. It's a part of his speech pattern, part of his thinking. Well, the problem is he did that with the question of should the human race survive? This guy was like, the answer should, right? So the guy was like pressing him, talking to him like he's a regular person, And instead of just letting this air out, letting, you're gonna, are you press for time? You've got a fucking an hour and a half to talk to this guy.

Let him talk. But this, the problem is, we are awesome. And I love all the things that we do. I love how we create art and food and we create fun and comedy. We're fun with each other. I love human beings. I love our creative ability. I love all the things.

about us. But this is not the only way that a life form can exist. And the idea that we have to stay this forever, although I love us, seems kind of silly. This is like going back to Australia Pythicus and go, bro, fucking sticks and stones for life, bro, fuck a house. Okay, bro. I'm down with a... No, that's ridiculous. That's crazy. And what's the next logical step for an organism that is experiencing technological advancements far beyond anything that any other organism on the planet has come. We're close to. Like, we're way out there. What's the next logical step?

We'll abandon everything that ruins us. Yeah. So what ruins us? All this greed that we're talking about earlier. What does all this come from? This comes from famine thinking. This comes from tribal thinking, us versus them. This comes from trying to acquire resources.

because you want to stay alive. All those things have been hijacked. All these human reward systems have been hijacked and monetized and then stuck into this corporate structure where you have to make more money every quarter. It's craziness. Back to psychedelics. When you do psychedelics, ego sheds and you go, there is no me. Like, there's us.

We're in this together. And every time I think I'm trying to be a good person, there's never a time I've done a big and not thought about something I did mean in third grade or like course I've got to be better I have to be more patient I can't lose my temper of course my god man I really wish I wouldn't have lost my temper over X yeah that's the benefit of it way more empathetic on this I was selfish and I was busy and I was stressed and I ignored this person's cry for help this is my point I think we're that we're that close to not ever having to think about those things again I think we're that close I think we're that close to transcending what it means to be a human being And I don't know if it's good. Yeah. I don't know if it's good. You're saying through technology? Yeah.

Because what we're getting, what we're getting with humans is the blues. We're getting Charlie Crockett. We're getting Sturgle Simpson. With humans, we're getting beauty. We're getting amazing voices. We're getting paintings that make you go, fuck. We're getting muscle cars like, dude, look at this thing. We're getting, with humans, we're getting all this amazing stuff, but we're also getting

Gaza. We're also getting Ukraine. We're also getting the fucking the banking, the housing scandal from 2008, the collapse. We're getting evil shit. We're getting demons. We're getting the fucking, we can go down the line with medications and pharmaceutical drugs and chemicals and pollutants and all the different fucking scams that are running around in our education system. All of this is because human beings are capable of deceit. All of this is because human beings have these reward systems that are built in from us being territorial apes. And we're all so attached to those things because they make great barbecue. Because a chocolate milkshake is fucking delicious. You know, because I do like pulling into P. Terry's and ordering a double

bacon cheese burger on a boat. You know, look, it doesn't mean that this is the only way to go, and I think we have to abandon that. Just like you have to abandon the idea of not having a cell phone anymore, there's going to be something that happens in our lifetime that allows us to communicate with each other in a different way. And I think it's going to be mind-to-mind, and I think it's going to be through this interface, and it gets really challenging. It's going to get really challenging as to how do you know whether or not that interface is controlled? Is there a decentralized system where we realize that the power structures that exist right now in terms of big tech? You cannot allow that. We've shown that they're terrible with censorship. We've shown that they're terrible with dictating narratives and with siding with corporate structures that are doing things that are absolutely detrimental to people's health and well-being.

And they're doing it and they're lying and they're using bots. And so we know that that exists right now. And if we have that controlling the mind, literal, the hive mind of the world, that's not good. So it's going to have to be decentralized. If I'm understanding, I want to make sure I, because we don't have telepathy yet, I want to make sure I'm understanding. I think I am. Like I look at chat GPT or any of these large language models, and they're a tremendous resource, and that is now the new Google. And that is where you research and get a lot of information and fact check things.

And right now, you type it in a phone and you wait. you get an answer. In the future, I'm envisioning like Cyberlink or one of these companies implants something and you're merged with that. So you think like the Matrix, I know Kung Fu. 100%. I know Kung Fu? 100%. You just download a Jiu-Jitsu app and now you know Jiu-Jitsu. Universal language. Universal telepathic language. I think that's on the agenda and Elon's talked about that. Amanda already has fucking headphones that she brought to Europe where you speak in one language, you give the person the other headphone, it tells them in English and in their language and then translates theirs to English.

Yeah. Yeah. Google does that. It's just a freaking earpiece though. Yeah. And it's in your ear. And imagine when that's just in your head and you're not even using words. You're just sharing an emotion. How about we abandon all languages except a new one? The whole world. Yeah. I mean, that's probably the Tower of Babel, dude. That's probably how it went down. You see, when I read like these things like the Book of Enoch or like you even if you, there's like the Ezekiel story, I'm always like, what are they trying to say? Someone was trying to write something down to dismiss it today as just fairy tales and that's cute. I love how you're really smart and you're better than everybody else. That's great because that's part of the thing of being an atheist.

Like I'm smarter. These are fairy tales. Like, okay. Like I don't really believe a guy came back from the dead. But what were they trying to talk about? Like, what is, who was that guy? I don't like people who have that definitive. You can't be that.

Right. Being atheist is just as arrogant as saying my, where was the saying? Like, there's 900 something religions and if you're a Christian and you say all 899 are wrong. Right. Being an atheist is even more arrogant. You're literally saying everything's wrong and there's nothing. Like, I just, there's got to be something. I think there is something.

But I think you also have to look at. it through the lens of human beings because unfortunately we are a dirty filter and if you run the truth through us the truth is going to get contaminated if you have like poor like if you pour pure tequila through a filter that has cat shit in it yeah you're gonna get cat shit in your drink that's just how it works yes right so if you're a human being and you're telling a true story and you're telling it for centuries before it ever gets written down right and then it gets

written down in one language. It gets translated into another language. And then you get a couple of rabbis who decide way back like what year was it where they took the book of Enoch out of the canon. Right? They decided because it was from a rival faction from the Qumran people. Those are the ones who believed in Enoch. Well, fuck those people. Those guys are assholes. Let's take, let's get it out. So that one story that throws the, like, they had to teach that in the Bible today. If you went to Sunday church and they were talking about the watchers coming down and breeding with female humans and providing sorcery and metallurgy and teaching them agriculture, like, what are you saying? Yeah. Like what happened instead of this one very compelling story about Jesus Christ, which is very compelling because there's no human beings historically.

Like even like if you're a Muslim, some of the things that Muhammad did, a lot of people like, hey, this is kind of crazy. married a nine-year-old, hey, this is kind of crazy. Like, what do you, like, he's a warlord? Hey, this is kind of crazy. Like, with Jesus Christ, it's very weird. Like, you have this insanely peaceful person in a time of ultimate chaos where the Romans are literally taking people that they don't like and pegging them to a fucking cross. Yeah.

And then this guy decides he wants to die that way. And this is everybody's story that interacts with them. Nobody's like, oh, I knew Jesus. He was a cunt. That guy was a piece of shit. Let me tell you what, he fucked my sister, dude. I told them, just don't fuck my sister. Like, no, there's no stories like that.

It's weird. The story is weird. The story of this guy who tells you universal truths that apply today, you know, treat everyone as if they are you. Yeah. And that he figured this out 2,000 years ago? I want to know who that guy was. Like, what was going on with that guy? Was that guy like the ultimate mushroom eater of all time that he figured it all out back then?

And was he teaching these people that? Or was he an extraterrestrial? Was he what we think of as the son of God? Because he literally is born from another life form and brought down to Earth to try to help our advancement. It's all fascinating stuff. It is very fascinating because anybody who's Christian like, that's bullshit and blasphemy and you don't know the canon. You're right. But you got to throw the human being filter into the equation always.

Look, there's some things about the human being filtered that are really fascinating. Like, one of the things that Wes Huff told us when he was on the podcast is explaining that the book of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which they didn't even know existed, when they translated it, they found out it is 1,000 years older than the book of Isaiah that was thought to be the oldest version of it, and they're identical verbatim, word for word. So that's where it gets crazy, right? So there's something about once it's written down that the true devotees, and as long as you don't get some asshole rabbis aside, get that book of Isaiah out of there, or get that book of Enoch out of there, there's a few where humans, the human cat shit filter gets in the way. And you get human interaction with this and then you lose some of the story. Like, fuck, what was the story, though? This is my take on all of it. There was something that happened, man.

And we have this urge to deny that this something might have been some higher intelligence from somewhere else manipulating human genes. But we do it. I went to see the dire wolves last month. How is that? Insane. Insane. They're the same ones that are going to bring back the woolly mammoth, right? Yes.

Yes, I went to see the fucking Game of Thrones Dyerwolves. They are so clearly not regular wolves. Yeah. It is why. And there's always people that are saying like, well, technically speaking, according to my academy, this is not a real dire wolf.

You've just manipulated a great wolf. You've exasperated traits of the dire wolf in a great wolf. You're correct. However, tell it to the dire wolf. That thing thinks it's a dire wolf. It looks like a dire wolf. It's behaving like a dire wolf. My point is

We do that We fuck with genes of animals all the time Well even you and I've talked about it Look at our own genes Look at our genetic growth of our brain And we try to go back and say It's because we went to hunter gatherers And all of a sudden we burned meat

And then because we burned meat Our GI tract shrunk And our GI trach shrunk And our Voot protein was absorbed And our brains were able to grow It still doesn't really account For how much our intelligence jumped And our brain capacity jumped

Over just a small amount of time historically when you compare all the other animals on the planet another no other animal experience anything remotely like the doubling of the human brain size but we were already pretty fucking clever pretty clever monkeys you know monkeys have little languages they tell each other when hawks are nearby they scream you know they've shown that some monkeys will trick other monkeys into getting away from the fruit they'll yell out that there's an eagle and then those monkeys run to get away from the eagle and then that monkey runs against the fruit yeah

Yeah. So they have a language. They have deception. They're clever little fuckers, but they ain't shit compared to us. Yeah. You know, you go from monkey to Elon Musk and you're like, what happened? Yeah. What happened? Show me what you did. How'd you get here? How'd you get here? There's no one has an answer. You say, oh, it's natural selection. It's a random mutation. Like, maybe. Or maybe that book of Enoch is trying to tell you something. There's so much stuff. Ezekiel's trying to tell you something. Maybe that wheel within a wheel where this thing is coming out of the sky and can even understand what he's seeing.

How come so many people have these, just because I haven't had that experience, doesn't mean that that's not a real thing that's happened over and no. And there might be a reason why I haven't had that experience. First of all, I have too much big of a platform and a big fucking mouth. And I'd probably ruin the whole party, but I wouldn't even because no one would believe me. It would just be one more thing that you ridicule. And when you ridicule people for these experiences that you haven't had yourself, you've got to want, like, what if they're telling the truth?

Did Gary get into, because go back to like the telepathy tapes and the story with these autistic, nonverbal autistic children? I should say something about that, though, before we go any further. Oz Perlman, who's a mentalist, he's very critical of that stuff. And he showed me what they're doing. And one of the things that he said, he goes, no, no, no, these women are touching their sons while their sons are like moving the words around. they're assisting, they're helping them. He goes, if a mental, he goes, a scientist might not be able to see what they're doing. He goes, but a mentalist most certainly can.

And Oz Perlman is fucking amazing at that shit. I mean, he did some tricks where I figured out how he did it. Jamie actually figured one of the things that he did out afterwards. I don't need to tell anybody. Yeah, we don't need to tell anybody. We don't need to tell anybody. I saw Jamie, Chris Ramsey was doing all his crazy, fucking amazing magician illusion shit. And Jamie's, like, fucking calling him out on everything he could figure out.

Well, Jamie's a little bit of a... Well, let me tell you something, though. Me and Jamie, when we watched David Blaine, we were like, what the fuck did he do? Like, what did he do? How did he do that? He was showing us car tricks off camera to my young daughter at the time. We were baffled. Jamie was watching him.

His sleeves were rolled up. Like, what did he do? Like, we watched it over and over and over again. I don't know how the fuck he did it. Yeah. It was weird. Yeah. He's weirdly good at that shit.

like weirdly good yeah where it's it's quite it's quite a mind fuck but so Oz Perlman's but he's not doing real magic he's not a real sorcerer right yeah this is the point there's tricks and Oz was like you should not account for any of that evidence that they're showing you he goes this is all like there's a nonverbal communication between the mother and the son but it involves touching it involves like pointing and signaling it's not as simple as the kid just figured it out and he showed us a video of it and we're like oh I thought it was like the kid was in another room no one was around him that gave him the iPad he knew what to write down because it was in his head because

his mom had seen it's not that simple so maybe there's some that he's dismissing that you can't dismisses well I've heard Gary do he breaks down a certain brain anomaly that seems to be consistent with UAP experiencers did he get into that no he did not he's done like these brain scans and and tests on military personnel who are trying to qualify for disability, and every single one of them have this brain anomaly. And his thing is, is the brain anomaly an antenna that makes you more receptive or able to pick up on these things? Or did the encounter itself create the anomaly?

Well, you've got to do a double-blind placebo-controlled test and have some kid wander through the desert for a couple of months, hopefully get abducted. But that's the other thing. They're not abducting. They're, you know, they're doing whatever the fuck they want to do. They don't really care about your agenda if they are a real thing, you know, and I don't know that they are. I don't know that these aren't just psychotic dreams that people have.

I don't know because dreams are very realistic and dreams are often uniform. Like a lot of people have dreams of falling. A lot of people have dreams of breathing underwater. Does that mean you're really breathing underwater somewhere? I just look at it logically and say there's so many inhabitable planets now in the cosmos. and if any of those planets ever had a head start on life a few million years ahead of Earth, then there's a statistical likelihood that that life would have evolved into intelligent life over time. And with a big enough head start, you would have the technology,

if you don't destroy yourself. But what if they catch is if you don't destroy yourself? And what if the test is, does your society reach a level of consciousness that is nondon? destructive before you become an off-planet species? Well, my fear is the only way to do that is through technology. My fear is that the only way to do that is to integrate with this great machine that we're creating right now, artificial general super intelligence, and that we are going to either have to merge or perish, and that we're going to choose to merge.

And one of the one of the things that's probably going to happen to us is all of these things that we love, that we create with all of our imperfect human behavior, all those things have to go by-bye. That's my fear. That's why the gray aliens all look uniform. They look all the same. I have mine. And they don't use their lips.

They talk with their minds. And that's probably the future of the human race. That's probably why it's there. When you see that iconic image from close encounters the third kind, there's something about that that makes sense, right? Because that goes, oh, I guess that's where we're going. Because it seems like where we're going. If we go from, you know, ancient hominids covered in hair, short and fucking gnarled over and fighting off predators to some nerd who works at Google right now who's deciding, you know, whether or not trans fucking activists who are protesting this or that should show up in your Google feed.

Like, you know what I mean? Like that's where, well, where's it going after that? I think that's part of what's going on with, like, this confusion with gender and the fact that microplastics are killing everybody's reproductive systems, killing everybody's endocrine system, significant drop in testosterone from the 1970s, significant increase in miscarriages. Like, we're becoming non-biological sexual entities. We're literally becoming demolition man. Do you remember the movie Demolition Man? Yeah. We were criticizing femininity.

Yeah. And at that time, it's like greetings and salutations. Yeah, like nobody has violence or anything? We're criticizing normal femininity, especially like traditional wife roles, but we are celebrating women who assume roles in society of toxic men, which is CEOs. We're celebrating a woman becoming more manly. We're celebrating men becoming feminists. We're celebrating men who are wearing that fucking BDSM outfit that that that shithead was

wearing and it's like he was posing with that outfit I'm like look at me I'm free this is how I behave and I want hip be shots for all the babies like we're a society that's lost its fucking way clearly we've lost our way and what better way to find our way than a little thing you slip on over your head and everybody's locked in and everybody's together in this but who's going to control that fucking thing it has to be decentralized it has to be literally like connected to some sort of a hive mind blockchain. It's the only way it's going to work. It's never going to work if you have a corporation like Google or meta or any other

corporation that has censorship. Like even these chat bots, ask chat bots about like racial statistics for homicides and things like that. They don't want to profile. They don't want to do that. They don't want to give you answers on things like that that are really inconvenient and that people don't like. You saw that crazy fucking software that Israeli.

counter surveillance software they just launched last week after that shooting. That's just pretty scary, man. What are you talking about? There's a software that they're launching that tracks all the tweets. Oh, Palantir? Is that we talking about? Yeah, it's tracking everything that people are messaging and DMing. The way I understand it, and the way they were saying it is they were celebrating it

is a good thing, but I'm thinking anybody in any chat room or any of that, it's starting to get like very minority report. So every chat room? If you're saying something that could be crazy or in a DM or in a chat room or anywhere, on the internet or in Instagram or in a private chat. Supposedly, this is combing all of the internet, social media, everything, to begin to assess mental health and predict analytics of seeing like if you could be a threat and they would have been able to cat.

Yeah, that's, I'm like, then what the fuck are we headed towards? It's going to be like the statistical algorithm says that you have a 70% chance of committing a violent crime today. You're arrested. And again, who's in control of that, the slippery guy? The guy with, like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, Peter Thiel's a part of all that.

But this is not a knock on Peter Thiel. No human should have the ability to have access to that information and decide who gets it and who doesn't. Yeah. No human should be able to decide whether or not you can connect to the hive mind of the entire human race and use a telepathic language. Is really military creating chat GPT-like tool using vast collection of Palestinian surveillance data. And they're supposedly going to roll this out here. Is that what they're talking about? I don't think it's Palatier because what I heard is it's an Israeli-backed software system.

Well, we should be real clear then because I feel like I was talking about Palantir earlier and we're going to get sued. So this is a different thing. Israeli military surveillance agencies use a vast collection of intercepted Palestinian communications to build a powerful artificial intelligence tools similar to chat GPT that it hopes will transform its spying capability. capabilities. Wow. Okay, according to sources familiar with the project, the unit began building the model to create a sophisticated chatbot-like tool capable of answering questions about people. It is monitoring and providing insights into the massive volumes of surveillance data that it collects. So that's what it's doing. And I swear there was an article after that shooting that they're going to start using it and rolling it out here to proactively protect us. us against potential threats. And I was like, that shit's not good. That sounds terrified.

And I guarantee they're not going to say a peep about SSRIs. How about that? It brings it all back to this connection. I bet they won't bring that part up. Yeah. Nope. So you got all your surveillance. Did you notice anything?

Did you guys notice anything? You notice how Trump administration is silently employing Palantier to gather personal data of each American, raising privacy, data misuse, So this is a different thing. So what is it doing? So this is totally different than the Israeli thing, right? Okay. Yeah. I guess I got a mix. No worries, but they're both kind of creepy. Gather personal data of American citizens from various federal agencies sparking concerns over privacy and potential misuse of personal data. So what is it doing? How is it doing this? Oh, I don't know. Does it say? No, it's not going to tell you how it's different.

It doesn't say how it works. No. Capabilities of data organization and analysis could potentially enable the emerging of information, various agencies, thereby creating detailed profiles of American citizens. The Trump administration, profiles curated by who? Right. It says citizen data from the government, including bank accounts. Go back to that. Did you see that?

It says bank accounts. Where was it? Guys, guys, guys. Who signed off on this? Is this already implemented? Okay, access extensive citizen data from the government databases, including bank detail, student debt, medical claims. Claims and disability status.

Oh, you might be faking your disability, Brigham. You might have to come knock on your door. We don't like your tweets. Oh, by the way, Graham Linahan, the guy who was on the podcast, he got arrested when he went back to the UK. The guy who was on the podcast who was a beloved comedy writer from the UK, who was talking about the trans issue and how insane it is, lost everything, lost his career, like getting sued constantly, went back to the UK and they arrested him.

They met armed police, met him at the airport and arrested him for tweets, for three tweets. If you go to my Twitter, I retweeted it, I retweeted the story. Will you go to that? That's scary because we were headed that way. I mean, we were fucking headed that way. Yeah, 100% and we still could be, you know? Yeah. And we still could be.

And when people say, oh, you voted for fascism, no, I don't think anybody should be in control of this country, okay? Any one person, but believe me, I don't. I don't think anybody's good at it. But I don't think you should let the same party that was propping up a dead man and was secretly doing shit behind the scenes, like using Autopenn to sign off on all kinds of executive orders. And he didn't even fucking know what the details of were, which is explained we had that

conversation with Mike Johnson. and he literally didn't remember signing it or thought it was something other than what it was. I'm not in favor of keeping that. That's all it is, folks. And I am in favor of R.F. Kennedy. And I think a lot of the stuff Trump believes in, like making America a robust place where manufacturing booms, bring back American jobs, are positive. Yeah. I don't like the coin.

I don't like the drug coin. I think that's fucking crazy. That's a crazy move. But is it illegal? I don't know. Are they all corrupt? I think they are. Graham Linnahen has been arrested at Heathrow by five police, five armed police officers.

His crime was these three posts. Look at these three posts. So click on it and we'll get to see. This is what he says is if a trans-identified male is in a female-only space, he is committing a violent abusive act. Make a scene, call the cops, and if all else fails, punch him in the balls. Comedy writer, also his opinion. Can't have that in the UK. So this one says, a photo you can smell, and it's all these people that are protesting.

I don't know what the context of this is. The other one is, I hate them, misogynist and homophobes, fuck them. So these three tweets are a problem. So the idea of misogynist and homophobes, you go, wait a minute, no, no, no. These are people that are LBTQ2+, I know a lot of gay people that think that the trans movement is homophobic. Because it's saying you're not gay, you're a woman. And you're attracted to men, but you're a woman. But if you just leave those people alone and don't cut their dick off, they most likely will be gay.

And there's data to show that. So a lot of gay people, including Tim Dillon, think of this movement as being homophobic. I know that's so counterintuitive for other people. The idea of it being misogynistic, well, how is it misogynistic? Well, what better way to harm women than to allow. male predators to just tell you they're a woman. I'm not a wolf. I'm a grandma put on the bonnet and now you're in the chicken coop. It's

ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And to say that you're protecting women, including trans women, it's like that's a new thing. That's a new thing that you invented without taking into account perverts. You didn't take them into account at all. You didn't take into account sex offenders and psychopaths and mentally ill people. You just said all trans women are women.

Well, you just opened up the door and gave a fucking free pass to psychos to wear a dress. And if you don't want to admit that, that's misogynistic. Because you're not really protecting women. Because you think, well, we have to protect

all women. Because trans women are women. No, no, no, that's a man. Yeah. That's a man. And you're using words. It's so weird that the whole world turns this way. Sounds you make with your mouth to distort biological reality. And the guys is that if you don't do that, you're non-empathetic. Well, that's crazy, talk.

That's crazy. And so that tweet is correct. While being a good person. Did he have to stay in jail or they let him go? Bro, I don't know, man. But he had to go to the hospital because his blood pressure spiked. He went fucking crazy. He's a good guy, man.

He's a sweetheart of a guy and he's super successful in the UK and he's been attacked because a lot of these people that are, you know, trans identified. A lot of these people, they have a lot of mental health issues and there've also been people that have been fucked over by the system, including that last school shooter who said that they were upset that they got tricked into becoming trans and they wanted to cut their hair off. They have all this hair. They wanted to cut it off, but they didn't want to give anyone the satisfaction of like showing that they were right, that you weren't really a woman. It's such a weird topic because it's such a small percentage of society, but it occupies so much bandwidth in the public forums. I think this is pure evidence that our interactions are being co-opted. And it's great evidence that this is the success of the programs that like Yuri Besmanov talked about in the 1980s where they were talking about demoralization. The goal wasn't the Russian goal in terms of what they were doing to.

America wasn't, you know, let's make sure that Donald Trump wins, or let's make sure that Hillary Clinton wins. That was not the goal. The goal is to make people lose faith in all of these institutions, lose faith completely. Demoralize them. Deemoralize them. Keep them at each other's back. Convince them all that they're racists and that they're homophobes and they're transphobes and they're this

and they're that and they're Nazis and this. Keep them at each other's throats. That's why this thing has become so. But the problem is then kids get caught up in it because it becomes a part of the zeit guys. It becomes a part of the culture. You know, kids wear bell bottoms. Kids do this. I'm non-binary.

Like, they just jump in. They jump in because they want to be a part of a group. They jump in because they want to be noticed. And then they get rewarded. You're amazing. You're amazing. No one ever told them they're amazing before. Next thing you know, they're getting hormones.

Next thing you know, they're on this road. And maybe they were autistic. And maybe they're just weird with social interactions. And you're getting, you're tricking kids. And that's a part of this. It doesn't mean that there haven't historically been people that feel like they're in the wrong body. I'm sure there have been. That is not this.

This is a giant thing that's happening. And I think it's being manipulated. And I think a lot of it is it's social media manipulation where a bunch of these people aren't even real people. And they're the most vocal and the most outrageous about it. And they're organized. You go to these rallies. Why does everybody have the same sign? Where did you get your sign?

Who made these signs? Why are they so good? Who's the sign guy? I do know all the counterintelligence stuff is that, you know, China and a lot of these nations play the long game, right? They're in it for a 20-year run. It's not, they're not trying to- A hundred-year run. Yeah.

What's the best way to do that? Demoralize America. What's the best way to do that? Like, pay off all these fucking doctors to prescribe as much medication as possible. We have a lot of money in the pharmaceutical drug companies. Anyway, this way we profit. Let's keep the ball rolling. pay off all these politicians, let's just be as demonic as possible and try to ruin this

amazing experiment in self-democracy. Scary. Yeah. It's a battle. This amazing experiment and self-government that's really never been tried before like we're doing it. It's a new thing, you know, and this new thing also coincides with this other new thing. And this other new thing is the internet.

And the internet is awesome and scary, and it's being used by scumbags and brilliant people. Everyone is all swimming around in this sea of ideas, and at least according to some people, 80% of it is bots. That far's nuts. That part's nuts. Well, and then with large language model, I keep saying chat, with any large language model, I mean, man, when you interact with them, and it even shows up on my feeds, I see, you know, they know how to target us. They know, like, everything. They know how to capture my attention. and it's like

now I'm like I showed Amanda video the other day and she's like oh that's AI and I had to do like a double take because I was kind of like half paying attention but it was 100% all AI generated I'm like damn man yeah like what are we going to do

in another 18 months like you're not going to know what's real you're not going to have any idea I see them doing ads for you all the fucking time shows up on my feed you Huberman I get people to call me up and the only reason I know it's bullshit

is because it's I know you're not advertising for that and I know Huberman's not advertising for that and I'm like I don't even know how they can legally get away with it I mean I think they get hammered but we go after them and we have them take them down but they sometimes they don't listen they took one of our podcast it showed up on YouTube

it was one of our podcast I don't remember what you were saying but it was you breaking down something to do with Wastewell and how it's helped you but it wasn't Wayswell they plug in their product of course and I'm like oh these motherfuckers these motherfuckers man they do it with everything they do it with

some sleep apnea, mouth peas. They do it with all kinds of shit, man. They just, like people, different rappers will have me saying that they're the best rapper ever. And they put it up on TikTok to try to get some clout. It's wild, man. We're in a wild time. But again, it's, we're experiencing great change. And it's not, it doesn't go easy.

And that's why there's so much chaos. But you can't lose your humanity in all this, folks. This is, this is the trap. and this is the trap that's being accentuated by social media, this tribal trap of thinking that the other side is evil and to combat them, you have to be evil and you have to be super mean and shitty because it's justified because those people are fascists

or those people are Nazis, like, that's a trap. It's all a trap. I can tell you 100% industry. I witnessed it when I testified at the federal and the state level. is attempting to separate and divide us, to turn things into issues that aren't anywhere related. Right. This is about racism. This is about sexism.

This is, it's all a ploy to divide and conquer because if we're fighting each other, we're not united and we can't fight industry. But the real evil empire is all these people pulling the strings and ramrodding agendas that are killing millions of Americans every year. Yes. And they're doing it for profit. And that is probably in the buy. Bible. That's probably demonic. I mean, the idea of what demonic thoughts are. What are evil thoughts? I think there's this constant battle because that's the only way you get better. That's what I think. I think on a macro level, like when you just thinking about life, right, how do you get strong? You get strong by working out. So you have to push yourself so you're weak. Like you can't do another push up. And that's how you get strong at doing. push-ups it's the only way the only way to get really good is to combat evil you

don't just get good yeah like there's no reason to be good like it doesn't matter like everybody's good everybody's fine life is boring as fuck you have to have some evil and you have evil so that you realize that good is so much better it's a so much better choice but the choice is not just in like on a societal level this the choice is you on an individual and there's moments in your life where you can decide whether you're going to be evil or are you going to be good or maybe you decide like hey what I did I don't like and I feel evil I feel like I shouldn't have done that and then you have to realize like that's a part of growth it's a it's a battle and this battle is what we're experiencing right now but my fear is that there's a lot of us that are unaware of the the the actual full impact of all of these other factors that aren't people, these bots and corporations and propaganda and how they're, like that fat guy arguing with you on that video, that's a gaslighting motherfucker. Yeah.

Like, I don't listen to you if you look like that, if you're telling me about health. Yeah. Period. Like, get someone who looks like Huberman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right?

That, I'll listen to that guy because he's fucking healthy, you don't eat a meal. from a skinny chef, you know, the things people say, it's like, if you have an obese doctor who's not taking care of themselves, it's not an attack on obesity. It's hard for me to trust your decision making. Hold on though. Philip Franklin Lee's thin. He's one of the best fucking chefs alive. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Philip broke the mold. But he had to get thin. He got to get healthy. Yeah, we helped him. I know you did. We helped him lose his shit load away. I think he's lost 20 pounds, but then also we uncovered a bunch of toxins in his system. He posted about it the other day.

Yeah. And he's like, this is from when I started to now. Yeah. And you can see it in his blood work. All of these different contaminants are now at, like, physiological normal levels where they were at spiked levels before. Like, microplastics was one of them. Yeah, microplastics are a big one.

And the problem is it goes into your brain. Do you know most people have, like, a plastic fork, like a fucking picnic fork sized amount of microplastics? Literally five percent of our brain by weight is micropastics now. That's insane. Yeah, we're like, what's causing depression? I don't know. It could be this or this or this or this.

So this goes back to what I was saying is going to happen to us. If I was, I mean, obviously, I got to say it, but I've already said it, but I just got to say it so you know I'm not Peter Thiel. I love us. I love humans. I love Peter Thiel. He's a nice guy. My interactions with him. I mean, I don't know if he's evil.

I don't think he is. I think all of these factors that are destroying our endocrine system make. us less sexual, all these confusions, society and culture and chaos and war, all of it is leading us to this leap. The only way to escape all this awful stuff that's on this side is to transcend. And you transcend by integrating with whatever the fuck we're creating right now, this Manhattan project that's going on right now between Open AI and GROC and then they're fucking and sabotaging each other and stealing data.

Do you hear about that guy that left GROC? And he downloaded the entire GROC database and then fucking sold it to chat GPT? No. Find that. So, yeah. Wait, can we pause for a second? You got to pee?

Yeah, I've been holding. I've been chugging water. Okay, go ahead, go ahead, pee and come back. All right. We'll find that. All right. Ah, the sweet relief of pee. But, so that's what I think is happening to us.

I think we're becoming some new thing. And I think it's going to happen way quicker than we'd like it to be. While no engineers sold GROC to Open AI, Elon Musk AI sued a former engineer, try saying that name, for allegedly stealing GROC's secrets before leaving XAI to join Open AI. So Elon tweeted that he downloaded XAI accuses Lee of downloading a large amount of confidential information and the full code base for GROC shortly before and after his resignation. Internal investigations revealed that Lee allegedly uploaded the stolen code database to Open AI servers. So they're doing that. And then also, I think Open AI had a situation

when they believe that some Chinese scientists had access to their data. Like something happened where there was some sort of a breach of security and they're pretty sure that China got access to all the stuff that they're doing. So, see if you can find that story. Because I just butchered that. All of the AI stuff. But they're, of course, doing that. Of course they're doing that.

Why would they not do that? If they've done that with everything else, why would they not do that? Open AI takes down chat GPT accounts linked to state-backed hacking and disinformation. State-back threat actors from a handful of countries are now using chat GPT for illicit purposes ranging from malware refinement to employment scams and social media disinformation campaigns. Open AI said this week, Jesus Christ, of course. Of course they're using chat GPT to scam people. Of course.

I just look at all the ways it's going to impact society from jobs and everything. We're going to live in the craziest of times. Go back to that. Look at it. Stirring the social media pot. Open AI said it banned dozens of accounts that saw using chat GPT to bulk generate social media posts consistent with the activity of a covert influence campaign. operation. Many of the China-based accounts issued prompts in Chinese and sought responses

in English on a variety of topics, including the shutdown of U.S. aid, various sides of divisive topics within U.S. political discourse, backlash towards Taiwan, Pakistani activist, I don't know how to say that name, who has publicly criticized China's investments in Balochistan. Would you even if I've ever thought that was a real country that seems like a Lacostan that sounds like something that the Game of Thrones guy would write down the accounts sought to create social media comments in English Chinese and Urdu that were found being posted on TikTok X reddit Facebook and other social media platforms

yeah this is the point like this we know that this has been going on right we know that China has AI Russia has AI we have competing there's meta AI there's meta AI. There's Google Gemini. There's GROC with XAI. There's chat GPT, which is open AI. There's a ton of them. There's perplexity. There's a whole bunch of different AIs that are constantly right now in competition to see who creates God. Well, so what you were saying earlier about the evolution of humanity in the direction we're headed AI in that component and there's that technological component. But there's also all the shit we're unlocking with CRISPR and the direction we're headed and we can now edit your genes and I could edit your genes with CRISPR to change so essentially we would take a male sperm, a female egg, we create a clone and we literally replicate that clone multiple times down the chain. And we can now edit in roughly 20 points of IQ.

So through CRISPR, you can edit somebody's intelligence by 20 IQ points. That's the difference between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Albert Einstein. Now, what if you do that three, four, five generations down? You're being so kind to Arnold Schwarzenegger. You would be able to create superhumans. I don't know. But that's what it said in, what is it, the gene editing. I don't remember which gene.

Is Arnold a genius? No, no, the difference, the big jump, though, is just 20 IQ points to be Albert Einstein. Right, but what's Albert at? I don't even know. This is in Hacking Darwin. The book Hacking Darwin explains all this and the direction we're headed and how you would be able to essentially

and China's already doing this. 100%. The guy went to jail. He said, whoops, I didn't mean to do that. And they're editing genes to create super intelligent humans. They were saying they were inoculating them from HIV. Like, who's getting HIV? Shut the fuck up, bitch.

And they just accidentally got smarter. Yeah. And so then the problem becomes, go back to like ADHD in schools and stuff in the When everyone starts creating, you know, little superhumans and everyone's going to look back, almost back to Demolition Man, what we were talking about. You create a baby in a test tube because you can edit out all the gene defects and all the issues in your genetics and optimize that child's success at living a healthy, happy life and minimizing chronic disease. But we just add a little spice here. We can make them twice as smart.

Of course. And then everyone's going to do that. Of course. And then if you don't, China does. Russia does. So then where's America have to do? We have to counterpunch. The thing is, they're probably already doing it.

And the thing, like, China is so advanced with so many different technologies right now that most people are just not aware. They're not aware. And someone was describing it about how, God, I wish I remembered the podcast it was on, but this guy was talking about how essentially what goes on in China is, say if they want to get into. to solar panels if like they start producing solar panels the government will get involved and say we want you guys to make the most awesome solar panels and then they have this shark tank of people competing to see who develops the best solar panel company and only the best ones are going to survive and it's all funded by the guy it's a very smart idea and through that they've developed the best drones definitely the best electric cars out of nowhere China has the best electric cars, like by a mile, like by a country mile, dude. There's nothing even in America, even if you have like one of those. But we got the best American muscle cars. We definitely do.

But that's a different thing, right? But when it comes to technological innovation, they're way ahead of us. So if they're ahead of us with that, if they run the same game on AI while we're all battling it out with each other and stealing each other's data, they're probably running that same game over there. And if they really did steal all the chat GPT database, did they, did they, did China have access to chat GPT to open AI's database? Was it speculated that there was some sort of a breach? What came, when I typed in breach and with those words, that's what came up is what I showed you. So something else, a different story would be a different story.

I was reading too that China's beating us in the arms race of energy infrastructure to be able to actually implement this level of AI. Not only that, they're running around on AI talking about the problem of climate change and we need to do this, we need to do that. While they're making fucking shitloads of coal factories in China, it's like they're playing this multi-level game and they're using all of our cultural hotspots, all the things that we like to argue about, gay marriage and this and that and prayer and schools. And you think it's organic.

You think people are really fighting in the street for all these things, but it's not. It's other countries want us doing this, including our own country. Yeah. One of the wild things that Representative Luna said when she was here, one of the wild things, she said there's a lot of problems they don't want to solve so that they could fundraise against them. Wow. And I was like, that is so dark and I believe it. I never thought about it that way, but I believe it. make sense. I think marijuana legalization is one of those. I think it's one of those. I think there's

a few of those things out there that, you know, it's dark, but I think it's true. I think they don't want solutions. They want to keep their job. The biggest thing that I think about is I see just in my sector of health care and compounding how much AI is going to impact workplace and infrastructure and just reality like at at our pharmacy you know we have almost 300 people and we were looking at this software I needed to expand and hire more people I needed 200 people we can't hire fast enough and I'm looking at this and we're going if we implement this AI we can reallocate 200 people and not have to go higher 200 people and then we just get to promote the people who are already with us but at what point does the AI just get to a point where it's doing all

of our jobs like all of our jobs and it will even in his own blog he's talking about eight years ago how we don't understand that this is going to replace almost all jobs in america everywhere in the world who's that dude is a diary of a CEO host you know that oh yeah i know who you're talking about i don't know his name but is his name jam the british guy yeah no no no and can And candidly, it does it better. Stephen Bartlett. So he was having a conversation with someone where he was saying that one of his friends, he knows someone who's like a AI guy. And privately, he talks very different than he does publicly.

Publicly, he's talking about, oh, it's going to be amazing. It's going to be. But in private, he's like, this is going to be crazy and no one's ready for it. And that's what I think. I agree. And then the humanoid robots. Are you watching all that? Yeah.

Because they're evolving quick. That's going to be interesting, but I think that's a side project. That's like a... It's a distraction. The real thing is going to be non-physical. The real thing is going to be this bizarre connection that we have to this ultimate intelligence. It's going to be pumps right into your dome. You're not going to want to fuck that robot.

When you're literally plugged into the Matrix. Like the physical, like, sex robot that everybody dreams of, there's going to be a few losers. like live in the hills and you know wear overalls and fucking kill squirrels all day and then they have this sex robot they come home and fuck maybe I think most people are going to integrate and it's going to be just like cell phones like most people you know I know a lot of people like I don't even carry your cell phone I fucking I think you're saying that and you have one of the most interesting colorful lives imagine the person who's just fucking grinding and showing up to

their job every day that they hate and yeah and they can escape like They already are escaping in these virtual worlds. Like, even kids, like, it's different with kids. Like, I've watched younger kids. Now they hang out with their friends and, like, online. Like, they don't go, like, have to ride over. Like, we rode bikes over to our friends' houses and stuff. They would all hang out and play whatever that roadblocks or whatever it is with their friends.

Yep, yep. And chat rooms. But, hey, I used to do that. I used to get online and play my friends on Quake. They were friends that was only friends with online. Yeah, but it's fun, you know, and when right now, you know, you're dealing with just looking at a screen when you're actually in the game, then things are going to get real weird. Things are going to get so fucking strange.

Because already these like meta glasses, those fucking things that you put on, what are the Oculus system? What is it called, Jamie? What does meta call it? What they're their latest and greatest virtual reality? The virtual reality headset, sorry. MetaQuest. dude pretty fucking incredible pretty fun pretty exciting you know and once they figure out haptic feedback like legitimate haptic feedback especially if if there's some sort of an

interface if it doesn't have to be even installed there was something that just clamps to your forehead and gets a reading on your brain the same way like like when you look at your phone it opens up because you do that stupid thing the face ID we like program the image of your phone on an iPhone, it just recognizes you. Oh, hello, Brigham. Like, it knows your brain signals, and it's like, close your eyes and count back from 10, 9, 8, and then you see the whole consciousness sink down.

And now all of a sudden you're in a warehouse. Choose your armor. Like, fuck, yeah. And you put an armor on. It's black mirror. We're going to be living in black mirror. And then it's explained to you what the weapons do and what zombies are the most dangerous.

You're like, okay, okay. And then they just fucking open the door, dude. I'm not going to lie, it does sound fun as long as we don't all, you know, die. It's going to be very fun. But there's always going to be some cunt that's controlling the entire system. And this is why you have to have everything that it's got to be decentralized. Everything has got to be like a blockchain. It's got to be like Bitcoin.

It has to be like that. It can't be, there's a group, once it gets to this insanely potent computing power where it's a, life form, you can't have anybody in control of it. Think of addictive people, think of the addiction and the dopamine response to social media. Yeah. And multiply that times infinity. Yeah, times billions. I mean, we're fucked.

You're fucked. Because regular life, like, if you're a fucking, if you're working at a deli, you know, you're just making tuna fish sandwiches and hanging out with the boys and, you know. Hanging with the boys. And you get out of there and you're a night. You're a night.

And you're, you're battling. with demons and you're fucking riding a horse and Game of Thrones like really like that's totally possible it's not even that far away because what you can see

visually right now when they do these these video games that are available today the Unreal Engine is so good dude it's so good that all would have to do is be virtual

and then figure out how to emulate movement and how to get you to feel like you're moving And that's probably just manipulating some part of your brain that it scans out. It probably figures out what, you know, maybe you have to shave your head. I believe all this stuff because even Elon on here, he was talking about how we can help you see an infrared. Like through this technology, we can create the impulse signals or whatever in the brain that allow you to see an infrared. Did you see those night vision contact lenses they've created?

No. Bro. They've created night vision contact lenses. See how you find that, Jim? Fuck in bananas. Contacts. Put them in, and now you're a wolf. But then the same thing we're talking about with CRISPR and gene editing. It's going to be the same thing.

When everyone has an implant and I can download Jiu-Jitsu in my brain, you're at a disadvantage if you don't have the implant. Well, not only that. How can you compete? You can't. You're going to have to join. These contact lenses give people infrared vision even with their eye shut. with their fucking eyes shut. That's nuts.

New way of seeing infrared light without the need for chunky night vision goggles. Researchers would be the first contact lenses to convey infrared vision and the devices work even when people have their eyes closed. Holy fuck, dude. Now imagine when that's, if you're blind and they say, Brigham,

we can actually give you eyesight, but you're going to have like super eyesight. Like your eyesight will be way, so people are eventually going to get their eyeballs plucked out and like I'm tired of wearing readers I'm going to go in and get the new eyeballs and you're going to put on these Monsanto

devived eyeballs These fucking They'll be able I mean they even said you would be able to have Eagle Eye mode and he was breaking all that down Where you could see at a high resolution At a distance Geothermal like you

I don't think you could stop it And this is the thing about people Oh God you're so cynical I'm not I'm not. I love people. I love people and I love life. I think this is happening whether we like it or not. And I don't necessarily know that it's a bad thing. I don't know if that's true, but James Cameron, is that a fake tweet? I reposted it because I'm a dumbass. But it was James Cameron said I warned you guys 30 years ago. And I reposted that. It was all over media. So I'm like, I don't know if it's really not, but it's funny. He's a clever guy. He probably did post that. He's right. So was the, you know, the real. fucking scary thing you know who was right the fucking unabomber was right that was the unabomber's whole manifesto was that technology is going to kill the human race he said it but just not in a tweet uh i warned you guys in 1984 you didn't listen uh sure look i mean you've got

yeah that's nuts that's even better have you seen the new alien on hulu i haven't watched i like it i'm on episode two but think about that too you're a physical avatar right you're terminally ill what if we can take your consciousness and put it into a body or there's There's not even a, there's just like a, I don't even a humanoid biologic thing. Yeah. Which is what. And it has to be full grown even though you're a child. Yes.

Because it doesn't grow. It's weird. I like the angle they took. I thought it's really good. And it brings the aliens back to my favorite kind of aliens, which you don't see a lot of them. They're scary as fuck and they're really clever. The problem with James Cameron's version of aliens is now all of a sudden they're

easy to shoot and everyone's just gunning them down. You're killing tons of them. The first alien was hiding all the time. Like you didn't see until it wanted to be. seen. Yeah. Then you go into the den and she's literally just plant eggs and everyone. She's a dumbass. Yeah. Yeah. The first one was like creepier. Yeah. It was it was a hunting alien. It was like going after people and hunting them.

And the other ones, Prometheus, that plays into everything we're talking about. People hated Prometheus or a lot of people, but I liked it. I liked it. When he literally asked his creator, the guy who invented the humanoid robot, and he asked him what makes you more important than me and he said because you will die you will wither away you will do all these things but I will be here and I won't lose my consciousness I won't lose my all this stuff he's like he's gaining like consciousness in the moment and he's asking and that's the shit where it's like dude yeah like we keep making things smarter and smarter and what is consciousness we don't even know what it is yeah well that's the interesting about

thing about these movies like the alien movies in particular especially the television show because the television show different than the movies uh adopted a 1970s framework for technology in 2120 yeah you know what I mean yeah it's like shitty little green screens yeah everything's shitty the screens are shitty the like the the the televisions they're like regular old school TVs that you have to slap to get to work it's weird so they have like this weird and then there's the robot thing you know the robot guy who's in every one of them like the synthetic robot yeah why why not just send all synthetic robots why do you have any people on this fucking thing you've got synthetic robots that don't die and you have aliens out there well then

you go back to like what a lot of the uap whistleblowers are saying that because i've gotten to meet a lot of these guys too and they start saying that grays are synthetic yeah biologics that are almost like hive mind avatars and again i'm not saying i believe it but I'm not, I'm just saying it's interesting and like a lot of the stuff that's been in folklore forever now starts to make more and more like theoretical framework sense for why and how you would navigate some new environment. Especially why you'd leave bodies and not give a shit. Yeah. If there's any truth to any of it. If there's any, but that's the problem.

We're both saying if because neither one of us have seen an alien. No. Unfortunately. You know. But I've talked to enough. really smart people that you start going, man. And I know I've tried to get Jamie to chime in. He's always...

Jamie goes back and forth with it, just like I do. We have conversations about it all the time. Don't you go about where are you at right now? Oh, I don't know. This week, it's probably mostly bullshit, but I'm not tracking it this week, really, I'll be honest with you. But we both go back. You would agree with that. We both go back.

I go back and forth. But it's mainly, if I really say... self-diagnose it's ego I get frustrated and I go it's all bullshit if it was real but there is a lot of kinks in the armor and if just statistically I'm not saying that little green men are visiting but there's statistically like a high probability that there's intelligent life out there and then statistically did that life have a head start and did it reach intelligent life right and did it escape whatever the problems are with natural disasters that we experience because one of the things if there is a reset in our society. It's usually because of an asteroid impact or a super volcano blows off or a tsunami wipes out a city. The society has to have developed technological capabilities that help negate all those things. And so wouldn't a society like that be able to live in the ocean? And if that's the case, maybe that's what's going on. Because it seems like there's a lot of activity that takes place in a place where we've only explored five percent.

And that's the oceans. And there's so many sightings of these transmedium crafts, including video of things, going into the water with no splash. And especially videos that were generated at a time where they didn't have the sophisticated CGI that they have today. So, you know, if I saw that today, I'd be like, well, if that's from 2025, who fucking knows who made that? You could have made that on chat GPT and that's what I'm going. You talked to, I know you've interviewed Commander Fraver. I had the opportunity to meet and talk to him in private in a group of people

and his I mean the guy knows his shit he knows the black ops he knows everything and this is 20 something years ago 2004 and his thing is there is no way in hell I mean it would have been moving at 35,000 miles per hour and been transmedium

literally 20 years ago and the idea that someone's inside of that is ridiculous like you would be jello if it's a traditional propulsion system Which, by the way, it didn't have any signatures of a traditional propulsion system. There's no, like, heat blasting out the back. The craziest thing he said, though, which I didn't fully understand on the podcast, is when he kept saying it knew our set point, it knew our set point or whatever, that's not programmed in anywhere. No.

That's just in the pilot's head. Yeah. So how did it know the set thing? Did you hear what Gary Nolan said about it? No, I haven't listened to that one. I'm going to listen to it, though. He said that the amount of force that it would take. So this thing is, let's just say this thing weighs two tons, which is like a car.

You know, like a lot of cars are like 4,000 pounds. So this thing weighs two tons, and it went from, you know, sea level to 50,000 feet above sea level in less than a second. So whether or not that's even physically possible, the amount of energy that it would take to generate to move 4,000 pounds that quickly would be the, more than the total energy generated by the United States in a year. It's nuts. And it has to do it instantaneously. But that's when you start seeing all these things, and then you layer in the Jesse stuff and all the shit, all the work Jesse's done and his deep dives into history and FOIA documents and disclosures and you just start going, yeah. What the hell?

Yeah, you go, what the hell, but it's fun. And that's how I treat it. I treat it like it's fun because I really don't know. I love the tridactal mummies. I'm fascinated by it. And I think Jesse's, I think he deserves, you know, if they were, if journalism was really what it could have been today, if they had just sort of accepted independent journalism and celebrated it instead of saying like only corporate sponsored mainstream, gigantic journalism is real journalism, which is obviously the opposite of what's true. Jesse would get an award. If the world was just, he would get an award. He would get an award. He would get an award. for that particular show that he did on those tridacto mummies because that is crazy when he did when they did those scans

and you see the ligament and guys like Gary who is a legitimate scientist like published at Stanford who's looking at that thing and saying this doesn't make any sense like this looks like a real creature everything is in place

we don't know what it is. Is that a genetic anomaly like we have to study that this is a crazy opportunity to And these folks just have it in Peru just have a few of them laying around the fetal position these fucking aliens with three toes and three fingers. And it seems to be a real body and Jesse stuck his neck out and went down to Peru and filmed these things and they did these medical scans on them. So you could see what the actual what's underneath all that, you know, white tissue looking stuff. Is this just sticks? Yeah, you look at it and it seems too convenient and too crazy. But then when you watch him systematically, you watch him systematically. break down and all these thought leaders and all these experts and all these different people given their lens and then you see these MRIs and you're like you didn't make those hands no like these would have been not only that 1700 years ago you didn't make it that's the weird thing and how about the one of them that has a fetus inside of it then the name of the

region yeah what did he say the name that he says it in the documentary but the name of the region is like I don't even know insemination and something something or I'm like what dude those are probably aliens and that's probably a form of human that's probably what we're going to find out if they do a DNA if someone lets them do DNA tests on those things and there's DNA to extract and they run a sequence on it I bet we find out that we are like them yeah I bet they're the overlord interesting though the weird thing about the Peru stuff is not just the mummies. It's the ancient architecture. It's Machu Picchu. It's all these like really

unexplained, enormous stones that were placed in incredible ways where everything is like tongue and groove, like where it would respond well to earthquakes, like a technology to avoid earthquakes with massive monolithic stones. When you're looking at them, you're like, how did you move this? Like, who did this? Why did you have all these art projects where you could only see them from the sky.

Yeah. Like what is... Oh yeah. The Nazca lines? What is that? Yeah. And why do you have ancient artwork

of these three-fingered three-toed creatures? Well, you have artwork from a thousand years ago of these things. Like it seems like they were a real thing living in that area

and they were probably flying around and they were probably building Puma Poonku and Machu Picchu they probably were us. It's probably a version of us. Like, if Neanderthal was alive and then it wasn't.

And then we're like, well, we didn't even know that Neanderthal was a thing until we discovered. Oh, it looks like it interbred with us. Oh, it was a part of us. So now we know that there's a Neanderthal. But 500 years ago, no one had any idea. No one had any idea that there was like an ancient man that was bigger than us, stronger than us. I think, isn't it like 70% of the bipeer? species that we've uncovered

that our relatives have all been discovered in the last 60 years Yeah, and a bunch of them been discovered in the last decade You know, just like the last few years Just recently we were talking about that Homo Juliennes, this enormous man That they found with a huge head They don't know how big these fucking things were

They might have been seven foot tall Superman And then there's depictions of them Like covering hair looking fucking jacked They're trying to figure out what these things actually looked like. Why is it so crazy to think there might have been a version of us that looked like that? Why isn't it so crazy if we are so soft and so doughy in comparison to guerrillas? Because we're so intelligent. We're so intelligent and we're so advanced in comparison to them.

Well, if that thing is more advanced and more intelligent than us, it's going to be just like you compare us to guerrillas. It's going to be like that to us. It's going to be comparable. It's going to be frail. And that's what they look like. Just frail super nerds with giant heads and fucking medical implants. What's that thing in that thing's neck? Like, what is that?

It's going to get interesting, too. I know that Corbell and Nap are they say they've got, I think, six witnesses, including, I thought, firsthand witnesses that are going to testify this time. Whoa. If it all happens. The weird thing is the Virginia descriptions look exactly. like those things yeah three toes three fingers and everybody's like that's nonsense the black one it was at the black well it's like a purple yeah it's like a purple black the one that smelled and then the guy died who touched it and there's all this like documented stuff that occurred and they

smell like sulfur yeah just like demons yeah it's probably what they were trying to describe I mean if you had some guy who came down said multiple times interdimensional interdimensional which is I thought was interesting yeah but she didn't have an explanation like what do you mean how do you know that why you're saying that so confidently Like, you'd have to tell me, like, how does something traverse a dimension? What's the theory? Yeah. And what does that mean?

Like, where is it? Is it in a physical form somewhere else? Like, another place? And it comes here? Like, what do you mean? You know, because there's a dimension of sound. There's a dimension of, like, three dimensions. Or it's like, you know, space and time and all that.

We kind of have an understanding of grasp of it. So if there's a seventh dimension, eighth dimension, does it just take a bus and get here? Like, what are you talking about? Is it here? And now it exists in this dimension? and that dimension simultaneously? Like, what happens to its form over there? David Grush was trying to explain it to me, but I'm too dumb.

I'm not smart enough. I'm not even nearly smart enough to just talk about it. You're a three-dimensional being in a three-dimensional world, and your shadow on the ground is a two-dimensional shadow of a three-dimensional being. I'm a don't know. I'm a material girl. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't know, man, but it's fun.

It is fun. It's fun. to it's fun to talk about and I'm glad there's guys like Jesse out there making awesome videos and about this one I think it's one of the most important because it's it throws a giant monkey wrench into it's all nonsense because as soon as you see the scans of that thing's body everyone should it should pause everyone should put their newspaper down and go what the fuck are we doing about this yeah like what are we doing about this that might be what everyone's been talking about that might be the thing that genetically engineered us that might be it so

crazy so crazy if we're bringing back dire wolves then bring back an alien yeah they're probably already here that's probably just one that we found you know they're probably here and they don't want to be seen anymore because we're assholes and then one day we won't be assholes all right brother dude let's wrap this up thank you for having me on three and a half hours I mean that was this is the long as one we've done yeah but it's awesome I love you appreciate you very much appreciate what you're doing it's an awesome company ways to well dot com check it out and thank you for all you're doing to try to give people a better understanding about how fucking incredibly corrupt this whole system really is. Thank you for having me on and giving us a voice.

My pleasure, my brother. Bye, everybody.