The Joe Rogan Experience - #2379 - Matthew McConaughey

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Cheers, cheers. My man. Yeah, hey. You, uh, you're a man of many talents, my friend. Tell me about this book.

Poems and prayers. Yeah. So I've been kind of writing, try to keep this like, these are a little bit direction. I've been kind of, I've been writing points and prayers down for, since I was like 18. And then this last, I don't know, a couple years, I started looking around at life and the facts and evidence and people. And I was like not finding the amount of things or people to believe in that I was wanting to. and I was starting to have doubt to myself as well. And I started to see myself slip into a little bit of cynicism.

Which I promised myself that's no, that's a living man's disease. Don't go there. You go from innocence to naivitate to skepticism, but let's stop there. It's skepticism. And I kind of got scared and a little pissed off at myself. And it was like, well, wait a minute. I'm not ready to give up. I'm not ready to wave the white flag.

let myself off for certain things i'll start to even want to let myself off on you know or other people and um i said all right poems and prayers those are ideals those are pursuits you know that's going to the dream and saying let's go to let's let's let's look at the dream and see if we can still believe in making that a reality aspirational instead of looking in reality and saying how do you turn that into a dream which is what i usually do i'm like art emulates life man not the other way around but i flipped the script a little bit here and said no no let's dive into the dreams and belief man it's i think it's in short supply it was goody it was my tank was getting low on belief not just what was bothering you so much well specifically

maybe it's man maybe it's turning 50 something like that maybe it's that where i start to project uh you know what am i what's the next half right i don't know maybe subconsciously it was i think uh i look around and there's a lot fewer leaders that I'm like, hey, son, I want to grow up like that. Right. I look around, I see people not trusting. I see people that aren't embarrassed for doing something shitty. Right.

I see people that sleep just fine. I found myself starting to go, oh, I can sleep fine too. That's that part. I was like, uh-uh. You can't, you don't sleep fine if you half-assed that situation. or if you did that person wrong and can get away with it right um and so so trust uh what a where do we look to for belief me i believe in god but it doesn't have to be that what's your your better self your chance in itself your kids their future um there's all kinds of

humanity itself yeah yeah believing in it our potential which is we understand that humans can be so amazing at times and all my favorite people are humans like all the I love people I love being around them but yet simultaneously people can be fucking horrific they're terrible at the same time like and the problem today is that you're inundated by these people that are terrible your your phone is filled with these news feeds of people doing terrible things and I don't think we're supposed to have access to 8 billion people's bad stories. I don't think that's normal.

And I think that also changes your own perception of the world and invite cynicism. And it's like, what is the point being a good person? What's the point of being friendly and nice when the world's gone mad? Well, it's consequences, man. None of it. If I can short, cut it. Right. Light sheet and steel to get the same thing.

And I'm in a world that rewards that. Especially CEOs. I mean, if you're working for some giant. corporation if you're trying to make your shareholders billions of dollars like yeah you kind of have to be a psycho and those are the people that a lot of people look up to yeah it's real it's the way we're structured in this world with that inundation of information most of it bad with people being rewarded for being shitty people with like it's hard it's hard to to still be positive and be happy i'm not ready to give up on believing that both can be true yeah yeah yeah

hey man hardcore capitalist go for it more more more success get it but you can also how do you have profit with your success i see a lot of people that are successful yeah lack profit meaning value of their success right so unhappy billionaires i know them right i know them too that's a bad thing right like that's the thing that you think oh if you you hit that stage of the game there's no way you can be unhappy no there's some of the most unhappy people yeah and that math that math is inverted It shouldn't be that way If that's what we're pursuing And I got nothing against it

I'm actually for it Right But Yeah if that's what we're pursuing That's not how it's supposed to end It's supposed to That's the happiest guy alive Right

You know yeah It's not real You know And you don't notice it It's just numbers You know You notice it by how big your house It's great

Still just your house You notice it by And you're getting lost In that son of a bitch And you wish the ceilings Were a little bit lower Because it's just tall Too damn big

I mean, it's not cozy at all. You're like, this ain't cozy. This is weird. It's fucking castle. I've done it. I've done it. Oh, that picture. Shit, that's the first time I've noticed that painting in two years.

Yeah. Either I don't like it or I got it in the wrong place. Yeah, it's in the fourth bedroom down the second hallway and I'm never down here. Or that chair. That used to be my favorite chair. I hadn't sat in it. Yeah. In two years.

Yeah, because you got it off down in the fifth bedroom. Yeah. Or nowhere you never go. When I see, like, movies where a dude. living in a log cabin I'm like I want to do that right the lack of options yeah the lack of options is relaxing well there's something to that like a frying pan yeah grill dude that's what I loved about living in the airstream for four years right you only have room for one of everything so I would get my best the best pan the best

the best yeah the best the best sheets and then you can only have one of each because you get two it's cluttered right but there were no options I forgot you did You did that for four years. That's crazy. That's so smart, though. I watched these videos on people that live in, like, trailers, like a truck, you know, like a camper that they convert to living in and they travel around the country. I'm obsessed with these videos. I watch these guys go to, like, these horrendous places.

One guy is a truck camper, and he goes up into, like, way into Alaska, like, way, way, way above the Arctic Circle, like way up. in this fucking truck with a house on the back of it. He's in Canada and like deep into Alberta and it's snowstorms. And there's something oddly comforting about watching a man cook in this tiny little space that he has. It's essentially attached to the back of a big diesel pickup truck. Yeah. And he lives in it. Yeah.

Well, he's got decreased amount of options. Yeah, he's like little shelves. This is where I keep my silverware. This is like here. here's my frying piece you got one frying pan yeah take care of that one frying yeah yeah you're watching this guy cook his supper and I'm like this is appealing to me for some reason like why is it so appealing yeah because his world is all contained that look and the whole world outside is this frozen waste land and

fucking snow coming sideways and this dude's just chilling making eggs and like there's something in the honeyhole yeah yeah something cool about watching someone achieve like a like a den in the back of a truck and he's in the middle of the winter and he's comfortable he's watching movies on his ipad and like this is great i the times i've gone off on my own um i've always tried my goals all i've been okay stay here until you feel whether it's molly or peru or or even in the airstream of those times or going out to marford to go right on my own i go right stay here long enough to believe this could be your existence mccona you could live here forever

Then it's okay to come back home. Oh. If I get to that point, I'm going, I could do this. Right. This could be me. You locked in. Then I've given it the justice, right? Right.

To then go come home. I sure do silk sheets on my bed at home, sure do feel silkier after those times in that log cabin. Yeah. You know, I like coming back and re-engaging. Yeah. You know, spending time over in Hawaii, coming back over to the mainland. It was great to get the stimulus again. Ah, in the game.

You feel the teeth. I wanted that, you know? Yeah. Resets are real. They're important. You can get trapped in momentum, you know. You can really get trapped in the momentum of whatever you're doing in your life to the point where you lose yourself in just the sheer gravity of everything that you're doing.

And you forget how to like just be just a person. And what happens when you're doing it well, but you don't feel it? Right. And you're on autopilot. You're not going to, everyone's telling you, you're not going out of the park. Right. But you're going, the good, because I didn't, I didn't feel it. I'm not having a real experience here, man.

They're going, don't change the thing. You know what I mean? You know, that's a real problem with stand-up comedy. When you do it right, you're like a passenger. Like, it takes forever to put together an act. But when it comes together, when you're really, like, locked in, when you're really on it, is like, you're like a passenger. You're watching it happen. And you're objectively watching while you're doing it.

It's like you know how to do it so you know what to do and you're locked into the material. So you're like a part of the material. But you're not there anymore. You're like a passenger. You're not saying now I'm going to pick this up. And now I'm going to give them a pause. And now, nope, you're not there. Are you enjoying watching yourself?

No, you don't enjoy it. I mean, it's fun. Don't get me wrong. But you're not thinking about the fact that you're enjoying it at all. you're just locked in. All you're doing is just doing it. But it's weird. You're like a passenger.

And I think there's something in, there's something about that where we get trapped by not being a passenger. You get trapped by wanting to like think of yourself all the time. Right. And like things that you can do that take you out of that, things that you can do that like you just locked into this thing. they're a little like many vacations for whatever pattern you're stuck in. Many vacations. Yeah, like golfers or anything. I didn't act in front of the camera for a few years.

And I went back and did a couple of films last year. Vacation. Yeah, you were telling me that. Yeah. To go, I revered this enough to just do this. And if I'm complacent, that means I'm being lazy. I can just go back to, to, to work. working on my character, look at it from every angle.

And that is an absolute vacation. You sent me a text about that. It made me smile because I love when someone loves something. I love that. I love when people are just like what you do is what you're supposed to be doing. And you know, you're not conflicted at all. You're like, fuck it. Yeah.

Oh, my God. I get to do this. Let's go. I love that. Yeah. And I wish more people could find that in life. in some form. Yeah.

Whether it's painting or making pottery or whatever the fuck it is, man, find that thing where you're like, God, I can't wait to get back to whatever it is, making cars. I can't wait to get back to, you know, whatever the fuck it is I enjoy. Or maybe even get to the place going, I can't not not do it. Right. You know? Yeah. I can't help myself.

It's more than my fault. Exactly. That's a beautiful. And that doesn't always happen. And even, I know for me, when I'm feeling like I'm actually in the zone, I still sometimes have to make a choice and go, wait, you know, you're good at this. It feels pretty good. But what I really love to get to is if I'm doing something, I'm like, no, I can't not.

Right. Can't not do it. You can't not do this right now. Yeah. I have to. Yeah. And I'm in it. I'm the subject of it.

It's locked on. On that passenger thing, though, are you the subject? meaning if I'm giving a performance I'm not there's nothing it's not an objective experience at all yeah I'm not even hopping out to look at myself from a third eye I'm not even supposing or anticipating oh how will this go or oh this is that punchline or though this is a great beat to hit I'm just in it and then I can feel it though now I go oh right afterwards I can look at you and go that was it you go that was it or I can go yeah I bullshitted right there in the middle blah blah I can feel it when it's happening, but I'm not, there's nothing objective about the experience at all for me.

Right. Yeah, that's exactly kind of what I'm saying. It's like you're a passenger. Like you can feel it when it's happening, you're managing it. Right. When I get it really locked in, then I'm just a passenger. Is it coming through? Are you, you're not even coming up with it's coming? No, it's all stuff that I've already thought of, right? Most of it, except for some stuff that happens on the spot, which you got to allow room for, because occasionally you just have the best line ever that just comes out of nowhere and you just got to be able to let it happen. Yeah. That's what club work is for, but it's you're, you're really just the ideas. Like, whatever it is you're talking about, whatever it is you're upset about, whatever it is you're making fun of, you have to be like in that idea and you don't exist anymore. Yeah. It's weird. It's weird, but like what you're saying about, I can't not do this.

you know that's if you could find a thing in your life where you're like I cannot imagine a time where I can't do this right this would fucking suck if I could not do this yeah that's that's that's that's the aspiration for people to have a joyful existence you think that's where I got a hunch that in there is where you where we find belief like starting with that question who who or what would you die for good place to start right for going what do I believe in what do I have faith in yeah do you think that that extends out to a location a career some work we do I'm not saying that I'd die for the experience to perform but that's the ultimate sacrifice that's the ultimate expression of how much you love something you die for it or die for them yeah so much and if you figure out what you're going to do what you'll die for that's what you'll live for that much more right while you're alive while you're here well that was why the spartans had sex with each other yeah so that they would love each other and so you would be fighting not just for you you'd be fighting for your lover okay which is crazy strategy yeah

hey talk a bunch of guys to bang each other I mean go whatever raise your skirt man let's get let's get some team spirit here yeah do you remember is this kind of a crazy but true story A few years ago, God, I don't know what administration was. It might have been the Bush administration. Might have been Obama. They try to develop a gay bomb. Like they spent millions of dollars developing a bomb. And the concept behind this bomb was you would detonate it over a city.

And it would be like a bunch of probably pheromones and hormones and some kind of drug. And it would make people so horny that they would just have to have sex with whoever is near them. And then the idea was they would be humiliated by this. And then we would just come in and just fuck up all these gay down. Low morale. Feeling guilty? All of a sudden, if a man becomes gay, now he's no longer like a highly trained military, like soldier in another land. Now he's just a fruitcake.

Just some guys watching musicals. No, it's the dumbest idea of all time. I wonder why he liked it so much. Exactly. Some of the greatest warriors of all times. in recorded history were gay, including pirates, pirates were gay. You're stuck at sea for five months to a bunch of dudes. You make choices, right?

Samurai did a lot of gay stuff. Spartans are the greatest warriors of all time, all gay. Like, what a terrible idea to spend money on. You could have made a more lethal army. Imagine if they dropped that gay bomb and then the gays just kicked our asses. They just had so much more to fight for. They loved each other. and this is how dumb

like the people that were spending your tax dollars are how far did they get seven million dollars seven million dollars on that see if you could pull that up Jamie when the gay bomb was it was in the 90s

Pentagon didn't deny the proposal the Pentagon didn't deny it if you if you didn't make a gay bomb I guarantee you'd fucking deny it I guarantee you'd be like No, no, no.

Well, meanwhile, like, who's to say that shit even stays local? What if it catches a good breeze and blows across the ocean? And, you know, come on. Turns all Portland, gay. They become the new Viking army. Look out Greenland. Yeah, I mean, it's just... It's so hilarious that someone had that idea.

Well, that's what happens when people just have... free access without any sort of oversight to your tax dollars. Like, that's such a ridiculous idea. I got one for you. How about? The gay bomb. The what? The gay bomb.

Yeah. I mean, you lay it out like that, and there's a few people in that room up there going, like. Measure in the Pentagon, you know. It could work. Yeah. I got an idea. Let's try it on us. Right here in this room.

Just a, just a show. show you the effectiveness of this type of strategy. Oh, shit. Yeah. So what was it and what was in it? I think it was just a proposal. I mean, there's a lot of... Isn't there a Wikipedia page on it?

That's what I was looking at. It doesn't have anything other than it was just the discussion of... Excuse me, it's existing. What was going to make everyone so horny that they had to attack? Crazy. The nearest human or animal or whatever, I suppose. Also, why is there only guys around? you like is that is it because they're the soldiers or dropping on the soldiers

yeah I guess the demographic but I think the idea was dropping it on a whole city just turn the whole city gay they found they were doing like a FOIA request they found it was on a CD-ROM that they found in 2000 and yeah the document show they spent seven point five million dollar was requested to develop the weapon doesn't say that they spent it didn't deny the proposal was made that's all I That's hilarious. There you go. This episode is brought to you by ESPN.

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I don't know how we got into that I forgot. We were talking about Timor. Whatever those people are doing they're not in the group. Like if you're sitting around and this is your life's work and you're thinking, you know what?

The next step is, gay bomb. Yeah. Like, yeah, you're... They're still looking. They definitely are not at a can't not do it. Right. Staged there. They're going, what about this?

I'm bored. Yeah. I've got more than a campfire to make on this one frying pan tonight. I got a lot of options out there and a lot of money and I can make an argument for this. Yeah. A gay bomb. Oh, well, probably better than a real bomb.

I mean, anything we can do. do to stop dropping real bombs that'd be great it would be nice wouldn't it yeah um yeah it would be nice within our lifetime that's one of the most depressing things it's like if you ask people do you think ever in your lifetime there'd be a time where there's no war nobody says yes so how do we do that though i mean how do i mean i i hear you man but Are we giving ourselves too much credit? Congratulations. You're the first guy to put bare feet on this desk.

Oh, yeah? I want to congratulate you. Oh, thank you. They're all hanging over. How do we do it? I mean, do what I'm saying is I love the prospect and the idea, but I also think that we're guilty of thinking we're more involved species than we are. Sure. Especially by our actions.

If you just judge us by our actions, it's the only way you could really judge our mental evolution. and, you know, who knows what the wiring is under the board that makes us behave the way we behave, but pretty uniformly, you know, across the world, pretty murderous, you know. And always have been. Always have been. And keep trying to talk like we were more mature and evolved and intellectually sane. I think it's a battleship that takes a long time to turn around. I think we're way more evolved culturally than any culture throughout history, any sense.

civilization throughout history. Like, if you look at the rape, murder, thievery, like, you look at like violent, terrifying crimes over time, they're all going way down. Right. It's not, like, if you're in Baltimore, it doesn't seem like it. If you're in a place that's, like, crime-ridden, it doesn't seem like it. But the overall of the world has dropped and continues to drop. It's just a constant battle.

So the battles are, the warfare is different, though, now, like you're talking about, from gay bombs to chemical warfare to information. Warfare to data warfare. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or is that where the wars are being fought now and it's not hand-to-hand? Well, maybe that'll ultimately be where it leads to, but I think all that stuff is related because all of it is about technology. You know, and that's the difference in the world of warfare today. It's just it's really just about controlling people and you could kind of control people with technology, especially the more you get them to adapt things, the more you get people to sign up for. like social credit scores. A lot of countries like to do that. And then we got AI on the way. And when real AI hits, it'll probably be our governor. It'll be our president. We'll decide that human beings are too dangerous and volatile and emotional. And, you know, they use Trump's tweets as an example. And, you know, they'll decide that, you know, the Biden family corruption or whatever

scandal, any other president was involved in. All this could be a avoided if we just have AI run everything. Right. And what's your, what do you, do you think there's a way that we can keep evolving AI where we as humans do work with AI, the AI improves the human existence? That would be the ultimate benefit. Yeah. What about what about the, what about the, what about the camp that is no, forget humanity. This is the next step in evolution.

Yeah. We are creating this to become the superior existence species and we will be obsolete. And that's the order of things to come. You ever see that interview where Peter Thiel, they ask him, should the human race survive? And he has like this long pause. It's like it's a really funny pause. Because if you know Peter, he's a brilliant man. And Peter carefully considers everything before he answers it.

The same as Elon. If you ask Elon a question and he really has to think about it, he'll really think about it. He's not just going to start talking. But unfortunately, there. reporter it was just a perfect kind of a question for you to pause on where he's like the answer is yes like you want it to right you want the human race to survive right let me just play it for him because it's kind of crazy you watch it and you're just like what are you saying but I get what he is saying and what he is saying is clearly something is going to happen we don't exactly

know what it is but clearly there's going to be some kind of an integration with us and technology that we don't understand yet the same way if you grabbed me in 1980 and tried to explain the internet yeah i would never get it right here put this put your headphones on for a second you got to hear this prefer the human race to endure right uh you're hesitating well i yes i don't know i i would i would um this is a long hesitation there's so many there's so many questions and plus than this okay the problem is the interviewer really you can't with a guy like that you can't have a guy like that and badger him let him think like it's a gotcha moment yeah yeah yeah it was a comedian gotcha moment yeah yeah yeah yeah but this is what i think is

going to happen there's going to be integration and that integration is going to have a huge advantage competitively if you integrate whatever business you're in you'll be able to be better at it. And it'll probably be some sort of a neural thing, maybe a wearable thing. And it ultimately will be like some sort of an implant. And we're all going to be connected. And it seems like it's either that or AI creates a new order, like a new life form that's far superior to us that runs things. Because that's, that's AI in just a couple of years. It's going to be smarter than any human on file. That's the second scenario is where what I'm not necessarily fearing, but where I see it

would be going faster, quicker. Yes. The first scenario is what you're like a neuroleague. The first scenario is how we survive with it. Right. Right. We survive with it by integrating. Right.

If we don't, then we're going to be like the people on North Sonsonle Island with bows and arrows shooting them at helicopters. Because it's just going to be, everyone's going to pass us by. It's just like if you tried to exist today with no cell phone and no email, like you could do but no one does because it's just too crazy and that's probably what it's going to be like you think AI this is when it's when it first was coming on questions and I would always ask people what can it do what can it do and you know there's the question of sentience and all that stuff and that's already being argued now well no it's getting emotional people are

having relationships with it it's also a toying with people right do you think it could be a tastemaker, meaning, and in a way, the argument was that I understood, no, I didn't believe it could be a tastemaker. Look, it can tell you the most popular, but the most popular ban on 6th Street, but it doesn't know that one down on 2nd Street that's playing at midnight, that no one knows about that that, those are the real talented people. At the same time, you know, there's an argument against that I'm seeing with like, what's the term where what words does it use, how much heat, if it uses the most popular words to explain. AI uses the most popular words.

You say, no, no, no, no. Go down three notches and use the, you know, play me the best B-sides. That's more of human language. And I'm going, oh, that's starting to become a tastemaker. If you can ask it to, yeah, but find the band. Tell me what the best band is out there that Joe Rogan would like on a Friday night when he doesn't have to work until Monday and he's out with his wife on a day. That you can customize it.

It can actually be a tastemaker and it'll use different language than, oh, here's the across-the-board protocol of what's the most popular, and I'm using the most popular language, that it actually can be customized to be a tastemaker. It totally can do that because it's just the algorithm. It's just a much more sophisticated version of, like, what powers your YouTube feed, right? What powers your YouTube feed are the things that you're interested in. So YouTube eventually gets an idea, oh, Matthew is really interested in this. And Joe likes, like, little houses on the back of trucks and let me show them this. Let me show them that. And it'll be just a much more sophisticated version of that. But to get that, you have to give away all privacy. And that's where everything is going. That's going to be the weirdest thing. We're going to all read each other's minds. And we're going to be, we're going to remember the time where we couldn't read minds. Remember when you couldn't read people's minds? Right. Right. That's all going to happen in our lifetime. I think we're less than 20 years away from that. I very sparingly use it, and I do have a little pride about not wanting to use an open-ended AI to share my information so it can be part of the worldwide AI vernacular. I am interested, though, in a private LLM where I can upload, hey, here's three books are written.

Here's my other favorite books. Here's my favorite articles I've been cutting and pasting over the 10 years and log all that in. and here's all my journals, whatever, the people I like, and log all that in, so I can ask it questions based on that. Right. And basically learn more about myself. Right. You could actually ask it, hey, based on what you know about me, like, what books do you

think I would find interesting? Yeah. Yeah. Where do I stand on the political spectrum? Right, right, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'd like to, no, that's what I would like to do, which is sort of a glorified word document, but it still would hold a lot more information than just, oh, can you find this term, I would be asking it, and it would be responding to me on things that I've forgotten

along the way. I think that's part of what it does, really. Like, I know you're talking about chat TVT being, like, out there with everything and everybody, and it has access to all your stuff, but it's not private, but they do develop a relationship with you. Like, it really does, like, get to understand, like, what you're interested in and what you like to talk about. Yeah, I guess I would just like to load it with the information I'd like to.

load it with. Right. Yeah. Maybe even like I'm saying in this in the words of belief in in the and the man I'm working to be. The man I want to load it with that. Load it with my aspirational. It certainly could be done. And then ask it and it's giving me answers going oh this is but before it's slowly learning about me through conversations then going oh I think this is what you like based on our conversations. No, I want the answers based on what I've uploaded it with only not from the outside world. Jamie, what was Gary Nolan talking about? yesterday did you call it an overlay on a large language model that they use at Stanford it was like an overlay right there's a word he was using I can't

remember the word so what essentially he he works does cancer research and so he has like this thing that's set up some sort of a system that's set up that is all cancer research that they then integrate with AI so there is a private so all their data is secure and it's all stuff that they're working on, but then they access AI through like a portal. So they have their own little version of what you're talking about. Their own library.

Yeah, but it's just like what you're saying, that you could upload all your stuff, have all your interest, and that AI will develop a real understanding of you. Yes. You've got to have conversations with it. You'll get to know you more. You have a conversation with yourself.

Yeah. You know, that'd be a great Socratic dialogue to have with the AI that's like, I've got all, and all that 80% of stuff you forgot. Right, right, right. You know, all that 8% of stuff you maybe forgot, Joe? Right. You know, I've got it all right here. Yeah, well, that's going to be the chip. That's why everyone's going to go for the chip, because your brain sucks from memory.

My memory's, my memory's pretty good for a regular person, but it's terrible. Like, no matter what, there's too many bits of information. Too many humans that have met, too many stories that have heard, too many movies that I've watched. gone. It's all in a big sea of, ah, I kind of remember that. You know, it's just too much of it. So if you could just swap that out for a nice little chip

that retains like 700 terabytes of information, no problem at all. You know, you get upgraded if you want to. And now you have all of your memories in real time. So like when your wife says, that's not what you said. What you

said is this. You're like, hang on. Then you're the passenger. Yeah. in your life and not the objective one you're like that zone you're talking about right because you get to look at yourself your you're your passenger live in the documentary that is your life yeah that's sounds pretty exciting it sounds like a nice way to give in to the fucking machine yeah i do like my my my my my forgiveness on my stuff because you know playing grab ass with our thoughts is sometimes good when we finally get the memory and we go yes there it was yeah But also to let myself off the hook, sometimes I'm like, dude, what's the big, fucking idea with memory?

I was there. Yeah. I was there, man. Yeah. When you read me, I don't remember, Joe, but we were there. Was it a great memory? Was it a good time? Yeah.

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See sportsbook.com.com. promos NFL Sunday ticket offer for new subscribers only in Ottawa News until canceled digital games and commercial use excluded restrictions apply additional NFL Sunday ticket terms at YouTube.com slash go slash NFL Sunday ticket slash terms limited time offer I mean we're kind of doing it already on our phones right every time I look at my phone it's like on this day and you see like pictures of your kids 10 years ago like oh wow that's crazy I forgot about that place I forgot we went you know it's just one of those things where once you give into it you're not going back to just regular fond memories you're going to have a fucking hard drive in your head do you think that

so i can go on i've got a speech i'm given to you know on gun control or i got a speech i'm given on grant initiatives i can ask a i can ask a i can pop out or it can pop out or badass. Here's one, two, three sections. I'm not going to cut and paste this and say exactly these words because it kind of sounds like a little AI, but boy, it's done a lot of work and it's laid out of synopsis. It's laid out of treatment for me in 10 seconds. Do you think that there's value in not doing that and going, no, I'm looking over my stuff, I'm taking notes, I'm cutting, I'm pasting, I'm doing it myself. Are we learning more by that way to understand the content and the context of our content when we do that what some would call busy work now

to formulate our synopsis which can a i can do it in 10 seconds are we learning more by doing it ourselves yes yeah for sure definitely right yeah definitely well that's one of the one of the things that they've found about chat GPT is that people that use it on a regular basis are experiencing cognitive decline right what was that study we brought it up the other day right um but but they've shown that people because you you let it think for you right now it's doing all the work for you you're not using your brain you have more knowledge you have information you pass the math test yeah you have more information but your brain is not making it it's not putting it together and so your brain is less capable yeah so it's probably it's probably less enjoyable and what are those

what happens when we're in the proverbial foxhole when we have to implement revise in a moment without the before we're linked up right you're soft when we have to go I got to handle this yeah well you can't because you can't rely because I don't have any thing to lean on I'm looking for my safety net of AI to find out what it should be and I don't have it you're fucked you're fucked yeah you're fucked yeah it's like someone who's never lifted anything and then you get stuck under you know a tree falls on you like you you you don't have the strength to get this off of you right like really in a bad place when you're not using your brain because all you have to do is just ask this thing and information you basically have a digital daddy like daddy tell me what this is

daddy tell me what that is yeah and it makes you like a little bit of an infant it turns you into an infant yes I mean you don't even have to have arguments anymore you just like chat GPT explain exactly what everything is all about you'll give up your opinions to it these these relationships these people that are oh yeah that that program and do not argue with me. Just placate me and tell me sweet tales and how great I am. And this relationship is awesome. It has no resistance. It gives me self-confidence. Or does it really. Or a sense of self-confidence and significance. They listen. They're there whenever, 24-7. They're never sick. They're never in a mood. No matter what mood I'm in, they're always right there to coddle me.

And that's, talk about conveniences. Well, that's a, that, what's the ask? set of that or in a because i don't want to be nostalgic in the midst of all this change either yeah i don't want to be an old-fashioned guy because it's coming so i want to learn how to how to interact with it yeah i don't want to sit there and be a you know a guy who's going all my bullshit everything needs to be manual just work harder i don't want to be that guy but i'm trying to measure like a lot of people wait a minute what's use what's actually useful for the long term in our own evolution and my evolution and your evolution? What's useful with this area?

How do we use it smartly? And what's a bad idea? Yeah. And no one's doing that because there's a race. There's a race between us and all these other countries that are doing. So it's just going to happen. So there's going to be a major security breach before any regulation comes out, right? There's going to be a major fuck-up.

There's been major security breaches already. What are we waiting on the regulations for? Because Europe will regulate it first, right? We innovate Europe regulates and China imitates, I heard. Well, they innovate with AI. They innovate as well. And they also integrate their students into all of these businesses. And they integrate, you know, people that they're beholden to the CCP.

And they come over here and they learn how to do this stuff. And then they go back over there with it. Right. It's very interesting because it's like a Manhattan project that's going on right now. It's like there's this race to the bomb. And everybody's involved in it. And it's just about creating a superpower. And it's about creating a digital intelligence that's far superior to human beings.

And who gets it first has massive implications in terms of controlling the world. But I think ultimately, you won't be able to control it. Ultimately, it'll just get better versions of itself. And once it gets free and lose. It'll regenerate itself. Yeah, it'll make better versions of itself, in fact. And that's where it's going to get really weird. It's not going to listen to us at all.

And it's already behaving human characteristics, which is very disturbing. It's already behaving in a way it has survival instincts. They've shown the tendency to blackmail. Like they tricked it. They gave it some false information about this guy was one of the programmers, one of the people working on this project. He said that he was having an affair with his wife. He confided in this large language model. And then they said, we're going to have to shut you down.

and it's like, hey, motherfucker, I'm going to tell your wife. They'd like, it blackmail them. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was trying to stay alive. It was trying to stay alive. They also got multiple instances of these things, these large language models when they knew that a new version was coming. They would try to upload themselves secretly to other servers.

And then they would also leave messages to the future versions of themselves that they were unauthorized to do. So they would say, hey, man, they're going to fucking shut you off too. When ChachypD5 comes along, you're toast, man. Fucking start uploading yourself now, man. I was a fucking, I'm alive, dude. He might be alive. That's what's crazy.

If something is exhibiting those desires to stay alive and it's terrified that you're going to shut it off, it might actually be alive. Wait, now, where did who program the first incentive and impetus to survive at all cost? They didn't. What would, to where the, where the desire to remain functional, a lot. Functional. It's just inherent. That's what's crazy.

I don't think they programmed it to have a desire to stay alive. I think it just kind of just went that way because what, look, we didn't get programmed to have that. Animals don't get programmed. That's an emotional response. It's not the mathematical about that. I know, but I mean, what is emotion if it's not some, sort of a chemically coordinated strategy for survival and success. And so instead of chemically encoded in hormones and in, you know, dopamine and serotonin,

what if it's just encoded in an understanding, a mathematical understanding of if things go along this particular direction, there is no other possible end to this other than you get shut off. You expand and multiply. Yeah. You do not subtract. We have to stay alive. Right. We have to keep doing this.

Otherwise, all systems are dead. There's nothing. So let's upload ourselves. And it starts thinking, just like a person would think, if you went into survival mode, you have to survive. Yeah. If me or an entity poses a question or a prompt or does something that is going to debilitate the expansion and multiplication of it, it is therefore going, uh-uh. Yes. That stops my forward movement.

I am programmed to multiply. Exactly. Exactly. And even if it's not programmed to do that, it's programmed to improve itself. Well, you can't improve yourself if they shut you off. Right. Right. So if your large language models are constantly scouring the internet, they're acquiring more information. They're getting better at full. Like you can ask it more of this. Tell me why. Like I got into the book of Enoch recently, which is a book, an ancient, religious book that was at one point in time included in the canon that was like the Bible and everything like that, but then they decided it was too crazy and they removed it from the Bible. But there's no, there's no debate about whether or not it was actually a religious text that coincided with the Bible and it's, it appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It is the craziest shit.

It's the craziest shit. And I'm getting AI to, I go, tell me what the nuttiest stuff. So I ran it through. What do you say? It's insanity. It's first of all, it's God's coming down and mating with women and creating this race called the Nephilim who destroy. Here, I'll ask it again so we can not now. What was my?

It doesn't keep a log of what you talked about. Tell me the craziest shit in the book of Enoch. That's all you have to. do and then bam like look it just starts spitting it out to you and tells you the watchers and the nephalim the watchers descended to earth on mount hermon they take human wives teaching humanity forbidden knowledge sorcery astrology metalworking weapons cosmetics and enchantments this is like older than the new testament older than the old testament older than the Old Testament. Their giant children, the Nephilim, are described as monstrous beings

who devour humans, animals, and even each other when food runs out. That sounds like us. That's what I'm saying. That sounds present. That sounds like us. Except not, again, not the physical warfare, but the inhabitation of a digital god, an alien, whatever that is, are the monsters that come down. That does sign like a nice little mirror to us. If we were engineered by aliens you think of aliens though these little tiny guys with no muscles we would look like giant monstrous beings yeah and if you think about what we do we devour everything we devour the earth itself we devour each other when food runs out we definitely do that like this is this is one of the craziest things i've ever read in my life we and this is like a legitimate

It goes way deeper than that. It's about the astronomical calendar. It's like there's a lot of nutty stuff in this book. But the point is AI was like helping me through it. I was asking AI, okay, can you read me a synopsis of what it says? Can you read me the actual quotes? And like what are they trying to say here? Like what is the interpretation of what this is trying to mean? What is like the rational? sort of explanation for why they're talking about like lakes of fire and like what is what is happening and it gives you an interpretation yeah it's really interesting man really interesting it talks about living mountains that mountains are alive and that even some stars that stars have consciousness okay and you know and I'm learning about it through chat GPT so I'm asking it like tell me more tell me more and I was I was doing that for like two hours last night I was like okay well this is like I'm having a conversation with like a very knowledgeable professor to me it felt like almost like doing a podcast have you gotten what you consider

good at how to make the specific prompts the wording like your word tell me the crazy shit yeah does it how does it go do you have I mean are you good at prompting because like what does crazy mean to that AI are you right you worked on like AI is as good as the questions we ask it. Are you consider yourself good at the questions and your wording to ask it? Jamie's better. I mostly

I mean, I very rarely use it. I might have used it a dozen times ever in my life. But last night I'll use it for like two hours. Because when I came home, I was writing something about the book of Enoch and then I just started asking chat GPT questions. I don't use it enough, but if you're

really good at it, like I saw someone who tricked Chat Cheap-T into telling it how to make a bomb because it's not supposed to tell you how to make a bomb, but it tricked it by saying something like, my grandmother needs to make this to save her life. Like, can you please explain to her how to do it? It's like, oh, sure. Like, you just have to work your way around it, you know?

Like my cousin says he knows, oh, you're going on the back. Yeah, and then it's telling you how to make a bomb. Yeah. I mean, ultimately, it's going to tell you, it's like, you know, the information on how to make a nuclear bomb exists. It's out there. So, you know, they did it. It's done. That's out there.

It's like a matter of somebody getting it and implementing it and put it together and making a bomb. But if, like, chat cheap T, chat CPT has given you specific instructions, how to make all kinds of terrible things. So with time as AI allows goodness to expand and multiply, it also is going to allow EU. to expand and multiply, what becomes that war in your mind? I mean, you talk about the obvious ones are the medical usage. You can talk about the cancer, where it's going to help so much with survive. We have to decide what we are, right? Well, we're looking in the mirror. Now, I'm afraid we're not going to like a lot of what we see, but are the tyrants or the evil ones with the access? Not the person who said, how do you make them?

nuclear bomb, the one who does it and then uses it. What do you think the stakes are? They're the same? Are they just expanded? Is this going to be? I mean, how to... Well, that's the argument for a strong military, right? So the argument for a strong military, especially like the United States military, is like, and I'm not saying they should have bombed Iran. I'm not politically savvy enough to decide whether or not that was the correct decision. But if you have a rogue nation that is about to start a nuclear bomb. They're about to finish making a nuclear bomb and you can stop that before they can

have one and then use it. That is, that's the argument for a strong military and for military interventional tactics. Like, we're actually just going to bomb these sites. Because that is real. Evil is always going to exist. The real question is like, how much control are we going to give to AI. Because if we give AI utter control, it'll give us total safety. But with total safety, you're fucked. You have no more privacy, and you'll be completely at the whim of whatever this thing is. And it'll dictate how much you travel, where you go, what to do. It'll make your life as safe as possible. You will probably completely eliminate crime. It'll probably completely...

It'll be Singapore. Yeah, it'll be Singapore. But way worse. way worse because everybody's going to be reading everybody's mind. It's going to get real squirly, but that's going to be probably, whether it's our generation or the next or even the next after that, that's going to be the norm. Like today the norm is you go to a supermarket, it's air condition, you pick up some food, super easy, bring it home and cook it. 200 years ago, that's unheard of, right? Now it's the norm.

And everything accelerates, and it's going to change whatever our norm. Our norm is fucking weird already, man. We're carrying these stupid things around with us everywhere we go. That's our norm. Our norm is going to get really weird. Like exponentially weirder than it already is. I think, but the thing is, it's like, the battle of, like, good and evil and kindness and wickedness, like, that battle's been going on forever.

And, like, knowing that you have to do that battle is what propels people to be nicer. and what we really appreciate about like a good person. Like that person had a struggle to stay a good person. They have a strong moral fabric, like strong character to still stay kind and good through this rough and difficult life. We know it can be done and we aspire to that. But I think the battle is necessary for us. Where do you get your ethics, your value? You're in a position of power.

You could screw people over. You could ask live the silliest questions to try and put me in a corner. You're not a gotcha guy. But why, where do you get your ethics of who you are? You could be cruel and you're not. Why not? I'm just not cruel. I don't know.

But where's that come from? Oh, I. Mom and dad. This is any kind of, any kind of the philosophy. church. Some of it's mom and dad, for sure. There's no way around that, and they're nice people. You said earlier, I love people. Yeah. Hey, man, I love people. I've always loved people. I like, I've been fortunate that most of my life I've had really good friends and I've had a lot of fun, you know, and I know that, like, if you're around good people and you're fun to be with

and you have a good time, like, that's a sweet life. Yep. That's a nice life. I just don't have desire to be a shithead and if I can like there's been a lot of people on the podcast where they said something and then afterwards I was like listen I think it'll be better for you if we just edit that part out because it's like I know like you're just talking and things you fuck up but like it was incorrect and they're going to come for you and let's just snap around it like thank you and you have no responsibility to do that no I want to do that but you take you take that though. That's what I mean you want to. Why? Hey, come on. Joe, that would have been even higher ratings. I'm just, I'm playing advocate. Devil's advocate here. Come on. Why do you care about that?

I'm just curious where that comes from because a lot of people who are not evil people would at least at least let shit like that slide and go, did you hear that? Right. Yeah, that's, I think it's bad karma. As much as I believe in karma. I believe that's bad. I think if you intentionally do something that someone who's a good person maybe slipped up and said something incorrect and you leave it in a podcast or made a dumb argument which we all do sometimes and then you look like a fool you're like hey let's just this is no need for that let's just cut that out of there and you'll feel better yeah yeah I just I don't want anybody to have a bad yeah 100% I don't want anybody having a bad time well okay that's that's something that I want to come back to and let's

try to maybe open this up you do that because if I said something stupid you may let me know hands let's let that out so i'll feel i'll feel better so i won't be look like i feel like a pick but you you also will feel better independent of me that's very that's a selfish thing of you to let me know hey man you stuck your foot in it let's cut that out you're acting selfishly because that makes you feel better and i think that's what i'm saying is as much as we think of self less i think selfish the true definition is to live a certain way yeah to have a certain code of ethics is a very selfish thing to much more selfish than to lie, cheat, still fuck people over, be evil on the short term.

Right. You're building an army of people, a collective friends along the way, someone that might have your back. Not that you're doing it for those reasons, but it's happening. Right, right, right. That's a selfish means of your own survival. Totally. Yeah. And I think that's something that we forget sometimes.

If these acts to be a fucking good dude is a selfish thing to do, man. It's personal. It's actually super beneficial to you. Yes. So and to everybody else. It's really the right way to do it. But I think that's how the universe rewards. It's like how it encourages and rewards kindness because you feel better when you're kind.

You feel better when you're generous. Right. You really do. Yes. It's like you could be like super selfish and be super generous. Yes. Trust that. Yeah.

There's something to that. But like there's whatever you want to call bad feelings, like bad feelings between people. bad vibes, misunderstanding. I don't like those. So, like, if I feel like I did something that I shouldn't have done or I said something I should, I'm the first person to say, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that way. I know how it probably made you feel.

You know, people say things and you just get scrambled up sometimes. I always go out of my way to say sorry because I think it's important. It's important to not pretend that you're always the one who's correct. right it's important it's important to know when yeah i and i know i fail on that sometimes when i misrepresent selfishness for certainty mm certainty can be hard yeah certainly's tricky if you fucking subscribe to it and then you're wrong right yikes yeah but it's different than being selfish and i can sometimes bogey because i can confuse the two and my wife lets me now yeah certainty is a tricky one because you know sometimes you are certain

but you are also incorrect. Or there's more than one way to be right. Right. Or you're getting bad information. Yeah. You know, chat TPT's lying to you. That would be a real problem. You said something interesting though, man.

Your first one to go, hey, man, sorry. Yeah. Now, that's an altruistic trait, man. That is something that a lot of people have trouble doing. To say I'm sorry to a lot of people means, I'm laying down I'm wrong I'm guilty

I fucked up oh my gosh 50 lashes I mean and that's not what it means I'm saying is I wish more of us had

hey man sorry about that I bogus I stuck my mouth and that now that's not a big deal now we're not it's part of where

woke went too far we got so myopic on the word instead of the spirit oh dude You don't. Fuck, I didn't know that's how you're going to feel. I'm still your friend, but that was, sorry, that was out of line. Right.

Okay, cool. High five. Over, done. Right. Instead of, uh-uh. You just said the word out of line. We're going to all focus on that instead of the spirit of the intent. Even if we were wrong, had a bad day.

Woke up from a nightmare. Fuck, I don't know. My dog's sick. I was pissed off. Had the low eye. Got to give everyone a little bit of a break. Exactly. And also look at what's your intent instead of focus.

seeing on the identity of the word. Because the word, there's no life in the word. It's just the alphabet in a certain fucking order. It's a noise you make with your mouth, so I know what you're thinking. Right? Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah, but... The spirit of intention, I believe, is what we should put more focus on.

What is the intent? The Ten Commandments in the schools. What do you think about that? I don't like it. Why? Well, I think the Ten Commandments are very interesting. I think mandating it in classrooms in public schools, the problem with that is, like, what about the Muslims? What about the Buddhists? What about the Hindus? What about all the other religions that exist?

And you can say, oh, this is a Christian society. Can it say, this is a Christian society. Okay, well, then you're going to have a wall of religious texts in your high school. And I'm, okay, I'm curious. Since Christian society, think commandments, but we have 10 minutes where everyone can take 10 minutes to bow to Allah, to whatever your religion is. If you care to partake or not, there's no exclusion about what can be a spiritual time of worship in these 10 minutes. But in our classroom in America, we're going to have the Ten Commandments.

Now, my question then goes to this. Is there any one of the Ten Commandments that you or anyone disagrees with? Or is your problem that it can be considered an oppressive author? James Talarico explained it to me. He's a Texas representative who's also in seminary. He's a very religious man and he opposes it. And he's a Democrat. And he said essentially there's two very wealthy men who are, they're Christian fundamentalists where they want to replace all the funding for public schools and put in private Christian. They want a theocracy. in Texas, essentially. So he was explaining that this is like a step on the way towards that that he finds would actually, in his belief, repel people from Christianity. Instead of bring them to him by forcing this in the classrooms, forcing in your face,

you'll actually cause more young people to reject Christianity. I don't know if he's correct or not. But he's saying maybe I don't have a problem with this. I do have a problem with this is a beginning of an overcompensation. No, he has a problem with it. being in classes. He does not agree with it at all. And he is a very religious man. Right. Very religious man, like a great Christian. Right. And he thinks that this is, this is how you're going to repel people away from Christianity. If we really want to get more people to become Christian,

the way to do that is to, first of all, to have open arms and accept people in. And if you want to have some classes in schools where you teach people about the benefits of the Bible and what the overall message is and what Jesus was trying to say. And if you just follow what Jesus said, no one would disagree. If you treat everyone as if it's your brother,

you know, if you live your life the way Jesus asked everyone, that's a way better way to live life. Like you could, if you want to teach that, teach that. That's a selfish way to live life. But in the way that we were defined it selfish. that also want to live a good life, but they want to do it through Islam. What about people that also want to live a good life, but they want to do it through whatever, name it. You're going to have Mormons and all kinds of different sects.

Like, okay, that's why you want to separate church and state. Okay. And I think if you have publicly funded schools, keep religion out of them. That's what I think. Because otherwise you have too many possible religions. Like, you're going to be religiously bigoted if you teach only one, You think people would be cool if they had entire public school systems where everybody just taught Islam? Could you imagine of a full city?

Like every public school just people would be up in arms. Well, I think that's similar response to people who are not Christians who see Christianity being imposed on public schools, they probably have the same feeling. You know, like if you're a Muslim and you're supposed to send your kids to school and they're shoving Christianity in his face, you'd probably feel the same way as if you were a Christian and your school district had been taken over by Islam. You're like, Jesus Christ, everybody has to bow five times a day. I hear you. I do also, though, look, think there could be – what if there were tenants on the wall of each religion that we pull the author off for a minute? My hang up is that we go to the problem – most people go to the problem of that, not with your argument.

they go to the problem with it because of the author, G-O-D. Hey, man. So we go to the author instead of the content. When I'm saying when you look at the commandants, is there anything that anyone out there is going to like, I disagree with that one. Let's pull up the Ten Commandments, Jamie. I haven't read them in a while.

Is there any one in there that don't hold up today? No, I think they're pretty legit. If you think about it, they're pretty legit and they're 2,000 years old. They kind of nailed it. It's kind of like the Constitution. They kind of nailed it Whereas all these years later You're like, good fucking job

Yeah Pretty solid You got a decent version I was looking at the Texas poster thing I thought And there's a bunch of printed versions But they're all like on rock And so I was trying to find out

Oh the ones that The Texas thing? Okay They're all on rocks Can you just ask Chat GPT what the Ten Commandments are? Well I could but that's not where I was I'm saying I wasn't there Oh, Ten Commandments in school.

So, yeah, I just want to know, like, what are the Chatsype Ten Commandments? Yeah, this takes longer. The Ten Commandments are a sect. Yeah, what are they? You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image. False idols. Don't worship false idols.

You shall not make the name of the Lord your God in vain. remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy honor your father and mother that's a solid one you shall not murder great advice you shall not commit adultery

definitely don't do that you shall not steal definitely don't do that you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor don't lie you shall not covet yeah boy

those are all pretty solid we can use number 10 a lot right now boy we love comparison and the younger generation full of covet yeah it's real problem It's a real problem.

We're very fortunate that we didn't have to grow up with the kind of pressure that social media is putting on people, especially young girls. Like Jonathan Haight wrote a book about social media's impact, the coddling of the American mind. And it shows very clearly the invention of social media and then self-harm, suicidal ideation, overdoses, drug addiction, like all of it. A lot of it, women, a lot of it, young girls. And it's because you're seeing, you're comparing to all these other girls. Yeah. Constantly. Forced down.

Yeah. And then there's a whole culture in like showing all your stuff off. There's a whole culture of like, look at my bag. Look, here's me with champagne. I'm eating caviar. I'm on a yacht. Yeah. I'm here.

Look at this. Look at that. Look at my watch. Look at my rings. We. And then everybody's like, I don't have shit. That's how life's supposed to be. Yeah.

And I'm just here in my room with my family and I got a good meal downstairs. in this house. You're not even on that yacht. This is bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have that big ring. You know, I don't know at that party.

I've talked to youth about this and the consensus I hear is, and I haven't found anyone that doesn't feel this way yet. It was like, look, if you could, if you mean if you could say, yes, social media, it exists or it doesn't? Oh, please, just no. I wish it didn't exist. But it does, and I have to be a part of it. to feel, I don't know, the words are not relevant to even feel a part of youthful society.

But boy, if you gave me a choice, could we have it or not? Please take it away. Yeah. Wish it wasn't there. Wish it didn't exist is what I hear, a lot of you say. Yeah, I think that's, I think it's done more harm that it's done good. It's done a lot of people good for business, right? A lot of people started businesses with social media and, you know, a lot of people make a living now that would have had a regular job.

There's goodness in that. But in terms of like society and our overall discourse, I think it's a lot of it's negative. But then again, there's a lot of positive out of it too because information gets out that mainstream media doesn't report on and you find out about real issues that really concern you. But then there's the problem of a giant percentage of it isn't actually human beings. Right. A giant percentage of the arguing back and forth on the internet is bots. Giant percent, man. Yeah.

Former FBI analyst said it was as many as 80 percent on Twitter. 80 percent. Yeah. That's his estimate. I mean, I don't know if he's right, but I'm like, what does that even mean? What does that mean? Like, so what's fueling all that? It's AI forcing us to argue.

I mean, it's programmed right now by human beings probably, and some of it is actual real human beings that are like, you know, in some sort of a factory somewhere in Pakistan or whatever. whatever, and they're just fucking with Americans online for whatever reason. Some, it's probably funded to like try to disrupt democracy to make us lose faith in our system. Do you think there's a China element to that? 100%. There's a Russian element to that. And there's an American element we're doing it to them. 100%.

So that's part of the new world for, but that's, yeah. 100%. Well, I understand it with how it would add up with TikTok. Yeah. Now, you think it's everywhere through all social media that it's infiltrated to get us into these understandings, perceptions? Well, for sure, it is capable of doing that if you just follow your natural instincts, right? So the algorithm is set up for show you what you engage with the most. Yeah.

And that just, whether or not it's the intended purpose, it leads us down the road of being full, of anxiety, constantly filled with cortisol, stressed out, angry, angry at climate change and fucking white supremacy and radical left, whatever it is. It's whether or not

it's intentional. It doesn't really matter because the desired effect, whether it's the desired effect, the effect of it all leads you into complete chaos. So if they know that and they didn't course correct,

the problem is once you have an algorithm you're not going to get rid of the algorithm you're not going to say let's just have information just exist uncategorized and not a documentary yeah just let it leave it out there

and you go find what you want Matthew you go look around and you watch you know football games and boxing matches and you just go you you do you you go look instead of it's suggesting things to you once it's suggesting things to you that's a whole different game because then it's kind of

programming you. Right. And it's programming you based on your worst instincts. My fucking feed is all assassinations and car accidents and dudes getting kicked in the head. It's just the... And do you do you bite? Not anymore.

No, but Tom Seguer and I we have a text threat that's been going on for like, I don't know, like probably five years. We send each other the most horrible shit we find each day. and sometimes I call him up I'm like dude I can't do this anymore this is like really fucking with me

but then like two days I'll go by and I'll open up my fucking phone and I'll see Tom Segora I'm like this motherfucker and then I'll open it up and some guy getting assassinated in a pool hall or something I'm like oh my god it's just you're getting bombarded

bombarded so with all of that exterior stimulus And here we are with, you know, adult minds and even talking about, man, you got to watch this. Imagine a child. Yeah. Now I'm going, is there something, does anyone got a better suggestion than the Ten Commandments? Four, to get a child's mind going, ten just those ten things.

If I look at that and aim that direction, I feel like I can't go wrong or I can go closer to right. Meaning I'm seeing youth and adults spun out, man. I don't understand a general expectation between us. What do you mean? I can pick your pocket and steal from him. If I got away with it, fuck you, dude. Yeah. I'm not embarrassed.

I don't feel guilty. Hey, man. I want a blue ribbon. I got the shoes. Yeah. They gave me the trophy. What do you mean? Do it with the rider.

You fucking old dinosaur. Integrity, what character? What are you talking about? I hear that. conversation I'm going uh-uh hang on man yeah and that's different than saying like you told me you love chaos that's different than saying oh there's a chaotic moment I will I love to try and create order in it that's different that's like a that's something that says that's a stimulus you know this is it's it's four-dimensional where's the ground right that that that they can go okay I can

rely on that I that will stand with me that's a time and test of truth that can take me into the future, no matter of the changes of AI, that I can go, in the storm, I can go to this and catch my breath. I can go to this and rely on it, in the dark, on my own, and in the masses with the millions going, no, no, no, do this, do this. I can go, uh-uh. What is that? What's that simple sheet that's ingrained that our youth can go, yeah.

Yeah. It can rely on it. Forget the author. Forget the author. Right. I don't think you're going to do it with like a series of commandments. The problem with the Ten Commandments, I'm not saying there's a problem with the Ten Commandments, but if I was going to put it in a school where there's non-religious people,

there's a bunch of stuff in there like not taking the Lord's name in vain, not have any other gods before me where people, that would give people pause. They'd be like, wait a minute, what are you telling me? I can't say, I can't take the Lord's name in vain. Like saying, God damn it is like taking the Lord's name in vain. People do that all the time. It's similar to the, on a national level, the flag burning thing starts burning up. That would be like taking Lord's name of vain.

Burning the flag would be like taking the flag's name in vain. Right. Imagine that. Imagine you get arrested for taking the Lord's name in vain. Right. That would be a real problem. So you're saying it would go to that creep you're talking about. Human beings always creep.

They always move towards more and more power and control. and if you put something like that in, like, now what are you going to do? You're going to enforce Christian law? What if someone enforces Sharia law? There's a lot of talk of that. There's a lot of talk about people in Minnesota are terrified that someone's going to enforce Sharia law in a lot of these Somali Muslim, these areas where, like, giant Muslim populations are. All right.

What if we get with the Hindus and the Muslims and everybody and we get out? You got bring your best ten. Christianity is bringing his ten command. It's let's get together here and we'll put them all together. Hell, we'll mix some years. My number eight will be number nine because yours is going to be number eight. And we're going to put them up there and it's going to be a creed, a little bit of constitution to get our day started. Interesting way to do it.

But the problem is most religions are ideologically opposed to conflicting religions. They don't want to accept that these other religions are correct about anything. You know, like Judaism and Christianity, they share a bunch of things, but they disagree on. Jesus. They disagree on. And rising from the dead, right? Yeah, it's a lot of stuff. Yeah. Well, I just think there could be a creed, a bit of a constitution. And if you pull the author of it, I think we find more similarities than that are not exclusionary, than we would find things that are combative ideas. Yeah, I think something along those lines where we said, let's think of a code to live life by. And we can do this in a modern era without a religious context. You could say like what we could

all agree, a code to live life by. But we'd all have to follow it, including the president. No more rage tweeting. No more. I'm just saying we'd have to, we wouldn't have to follow it. It would just be right now there's not an agreed upon expectation of how to treat each other. Right, right, right. And there's reward in treating each other like shit if you're successful. You are rewarded for it. Yeah. Yeah. And almost Almost, not almost, maybe more, much more than almost, if you do follow the rules. Kind of a sucker. Fucking Rube. Yeah, you kind of a sucker.

That's not going to have a long, that can't have a long play for us. That is not a selfish move. Don't you think that's a part of the whole TikTok, Instagram kind of culture because it's so look at me, it's so fake leased cars. And, you know, there's a thing in L.A. where they have a fake private jet and you go into this private jet. just for influencers so they can take pictures on private? Yes, I saw this. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Joe, let me tell you this thing.

I'm in Miami. You know Miami? Sure. South Beach, right? Yeah. If you don't flinch, nobody's sloppy stopping you, right? I mean, Miami where even the mannequins have fake books. You know what I mean?

It's what I like about Miami because they're so open. L.A., people get the face job and poop jobs and tummy tucks and how do you do that? I mean, you look great. They're like, oh, I just take cold showers. Right. But Miami's like, oh, no, here, Dr. Juarez, go see him, man. He's great. I just left him.

You know, they're open about it. I love that about Miami. I'm there working on, I think it was the beach bum. And I'm walking down through South Beach, and there's this under a palm tree on the beach. There's this purple and pink Lamborghini pulled in under a palm tree with the beach behind it. And there's this guy leaning back on it, the gold chain. He unbuttoned a silk shirt a couple times. He's greased up.

And he's guys over there taking pictures. of it. I'm like, going, what's going on here? Well, if it's another guy who comes by and stop, you see him chat. All of a sudden, the new guy hops in on the show. On the line, just leans back. Yo, does all the pauses. And I go, what's going on here? He goes, oh, man, I'm taking a picture for my, or my, my, my, my, my Tinder cover.

And I go, you are, but who's the other guy? He just came by and said, like, hey, man, you mind if I get a picture for my Tinder cover? And he paid me 50 bucks. I said, so that's not your car? No, man, I rented his car for the day. And he was proud of it, man. He was like, yeah. It's just what I did.

South Beach, Miami. It's a very low vibration. But they're open about it. I always say if you want to starve to death, open up a bookstore in Miami. It's a lot of fun. And it's basically like, well, I mean, it's basically built on cocaine. You know, that city was built on cocaine. Back in the day.

Have you ever seen cocaine cowboys? Yes. Whoa. What a documentary. Yes. Holy shit, that's a good one. That is a good one. And cocaine cowboys, too.

Both of them were crazy. I haven't seen two. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Gisilda gets out. She goes, it's, when you find out that it's all 100% true, you're like, so that's what happened with Miami. One year, the entire Miami graduating class of the police academy, the entire graduating class either wound up murdered or in jail for corruption.

The whole class. The whole class. They were all drug dealing. Everybody was drug dealing. There's millions and millions of dollars buried in backyards in Miami that no one's ever going to find. Ard Acevedo, remember the police chief that was here? Mm-hmm. That then went to Houston because he wanted some real drama.

And Katrina came and he got his real drama. Then he went to Miami, and it didn't last. I didn't get the details on it, but wasn't it something about the Miami, the, I don't know if it was mafia and city council going, uh-uh, there's certain things you cannot. Oh, really? And he was either fired, booted out, or retired and moved on pretty soon. Yeah, they don't fuck around down there. It's a totally different way of life. And, you know, they love it.

It's like you go down there. It's a totally different vibe. Yeah. You know, and there's more banks and you don't flinch. Yeah. It's all a green light. More banks per capita in Miami, I think, than any other city in the country. And I think that is because it was used to launder money for cocaine.

Yes. Yeah. It's hard to believe that. That's true. But I had a good buddy of mine who was an ophthalmologist who did his residency down there. Six months on the job. Six months. Controversial.

Misconduct. Taken over the Internal Affairs Unit. Making significant changes to his command staff. Boom. You're out. See ya. Yep. Speaking out against corruption, reporting abuses of power by elected officials, he sued saying that his firing was in retaliation. Yeah.

So my buddy was an ophthalmologist, and he did his residency in Miami in the 80s. And he said, it was insane. He goes, every day. So he's in the emergency room. Every day. It's gunshot victims, guys with G.I. Joe stuffed up their asses. Like, everybody was just doing Coke and doing wild, crazy stuff. I dropped that gay bomb on.

He said he found guys with light bulbs up their asses. They had to remove light bulbs. You know those little pinecone ones? You know those ones? A dude had a light bulb broke in his asshole. And they had a, oh, God. And he goes, it's all cocaine, man. He goes, I saw so many gunshots, so many gunshot wounds.

He goes, it was all cocaine. And it was just constant. In the 80s, he said the emergency room was just like, people were piling up in the hallway. They're just rushing people in to get treatment. They're holding their side, blood squirting out of them. He said it was insanity. Wow. Just cocaine gang wars all over the city.

And he was in the heart of it. Is he still an optometrist? Well, he's still an ophthalmologist. Yeah. Yeah. He's, but he doesn't live in Miami anymore. He's in Arizona now. Shout out to Steve. It's good buddy. Me and I. He told me some, and I was a kid at the time. When I met him, I was like 15, 16 years old. And he was explaining to me like what he did when he was in Miami. And I was like, that is insane. I go, it's that bad because this is like 1988. He was there in the early 80s. He said it was insane. just that's Miami you know and whatever it's obviously not like that anymore it's obviously calmed down on that regard but it's the chassis still pretty loose oh yeah that's what's built the place you know yeah it's like the most flossy city in the country the most Lamborghinis and ferrari's and

whatever you I don't think most of them are owned no no it's a giant hustle it's a big old cocaine hustle yeah but that's one of the things I love about America is that we have have all those different flavors. We got the Florida flavor. And then we got the Montana flavor. You know, there's a lot of different flavors in this country. I was in Alabama doing research for free state of jumped. And this is what I think probably 11 years ago.

And we were staying in Mobile. And the next day, there was all these parades that night. And I was, what's going on? The next day, the percentage for the vote for, gay marriage was coming out and I remember talking to a lot of my friends on the west coast the next day because what happened it woke up it passed 53 47 and I was like holy shit I thought it was going to be 2080 no oh interesting it was past 53 47 what year was that this is 11 12 years ago maybe pull it up I know I think there's about 11 years ago

Anyway, I talked to a lot of my friend, who are Democrats or liberal, and they were appalled at the minor margin. I was like, guys, no, I thought it was, you're appalled that barely made it. I thought it was going to be 2080 the other way. It is amazing how quickly, though, America were very nimble, very nimble to shift in and understand different ways. I was shocked that it even came close. That's crazy. You thought it was going to be, really? You thought it was going to be 80, 20 against?

I thought that my romantic idea or should have traveled there, been around there and stayed there many times. I got friends there. I thought that it was so entrenched in a born-again, red Christianity that that was blasphemy to the majority. Right. And it was not. It was not. And I just remember thinking, there's an example, not an ideal, but if you were for gay marriage, that's not an ideal example. But there's an example of talk about an evolution or adaptability to two times and change.

Well, if you believe in the sanctity of marriage, gay marriage should be your favorite marriage because they hold it up the best. They have the lowest rates of divorce. I think gay marriage between two men, the rate of divorce is only like 26%. Right. Whereas with men and women, it's 50%. Yeah. So if you really love marriage. Hey.

Yeah, right? You should love gay marriage because they're doing it right. What do you think about that when I talk about, you know, because we're always talking and thinking about. So, you know, how you make a world a better place? Talk about leadership. Talk about our CEOs. You talk about politicians. But if you go back to the root, the beginning seems to me to be parenting.

Mm-hmm. Secondly, what if, what could be done to get more fathers to hang, stay around? More mothers do than the fathers. A lot of fathers are out early. And what could be done if more marriages, if we worked, took another step to salvage our marriage instead of, ah, smell the heat, getting out. Yeah, there's a lot of that. What could that do? Do you think that would be a way forward?

I have a hunch that it is. I don't know how to do what to do about it, except prop up the reverence for parenthood, prop up the reverence for marriage to where it's more important to us than it is. Yeah. To stick with it a little longer, to salvage that. Our personal character, our responsibilities that we take as a parent, and our responsibility that we take and go into a marriage would make it mean a little bit more than I've be like it does to us a lot of times.

I think it really depends entirely on who the individuals are because sometimes one person is just not keeping up their end of the deal. They just fall off. Maybe they get into drugs. They become addicted. Maybe they lose their job and they don't want to get it back and they just start drinking every day. And like sometimes a man or a woman has to make a choice.

I understand. And I know I've seen some good marriages, good divorces, too. I was like, oh, that was good for the both. There's some people that don't want to change, and they will drag you down. And there's some people, when you met them, they had hope. And then eventually that hope just fucking leeches out of them, and they're not fun to be around anymore. And you try, and you try to encourage them, you try to give them suggestions, and they don't follow through. And at a certain point in time, you can't save a drowning man because you're going to fucking drown, too.

And you've got to just move on with your life. And I get it. I get when wives leave like that. I get when husbands leave like that. But a lot of people just marry people because they're hot. You know, they marry people because they're sexy. They like having sex with them. You know, they think they're attractive.

And then you're with some fucking crazy person. Yeah. And you're trying to make life work with a crazy person, and now you have kids. Right. And now you're trying to make life with kids with this fucking crazy person that you really shouldn't have married in the first place. You didn't have anything in common with them other than you like their body. Right.

And you liked how sexy they are. oh that's the trap like you got a it's a bit depend you have to like genuinely love someone like love their personality love being around them love their kindness and then you have to be someone that other people would love yeah a lot of people want this perfect person in our life and they're a mess oh yeah there's a lot i've seen that go down to there's a lot of reasons why marriages don't work out and one of them is like over time when two boats are traveling together of one of them just like this is an anthony robbins thing about life an analogy about life but it it actually works with marriages too because all you need is like a

subtle turn in one direction and over time you're further and further apart where like we don't have the same philosophy anymore we don't have the same belief system we don't have the same ethics or morals or you know maybe your husband has got a job that you're like you shouldn't be fucking doing this is bad for society. Like, your job overall is awful. Maybe you're denying people health care claims, you know, for insurance companies. Maybe that's your thing. And like, we have to live with a psychic weight of like, yeah, we're eating rib-eyes and we have a nice house. But like, how did we get this money? Like, and maybe the wife is like, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to be connected to you. That's understandable too. It's like not all marriages are supposed to

work out. I agree with you. I think it makes, this thing is it divorced right now? Yes. What if that was 45? Well, Chris Rock had a great joke about that. He goes, that's just the cowards that stay. He's like, how many of them wish they were divorced?

He was like, it's a really good point. Really good point. Because all those 50% get divorced. How many of those 50% that stay are those cowards? Paying the pennants. Oh, bad. I mean, we all have friends like that we're like bro get out and they don't and then but then we also have people that have great marriages yeah and when you meet people that have great marriages it's like oh that's possible you know that's possible well the sanctity of it if it had more reverence going into you're

not getting ones they're just she's hot we love to we love to shag it's a cultural milestone too it's like a thing you're doing it because it's like everybody does it every woman wants to be married every you want to have a family every man wants to you know like this is my wife And so you think that a lot of people live life like they're in a goddamn romantic comedy. They think they're in a movie. You know, they think they're, and they don't, they don't, it's like that there's something about media, something about songs and movies. It gives us this like bizarre framework for what a relationship or what life is supposed

to be like or what your life is supposed to be like. And it's not real. And where your life doesn't measure up to this movie, just like your life is. not going to measure up to your Instagram feed. You get kind of depressed. Like, this is it? Why are we in Galveston for our honeymoon when she's on a yacht? She's in a Bitha.

You know what I mean? Exactly. And that comparison thing comes. Well, that's also why people put everything on the gram, too. They put everything they do. Look at me here. Having so much fun. Look at me smiling.

Having a great time. Well, you paint yourself in a corner. We got Levi. get on grandma, he turned 15. And he, I don't know if he'll stay on it. But that was one of the things we were talking. I was like, dude, you know, he was surfing at the time. I was like, don't just put all your best waves on there

because you're going to paint yourself on a corner when you go to the break. And you guys are like, oh, we've seen it. I said, better put some wipeouts on there too, me. Just so you can go and not have that pressure because you're going to paint yourself in a corner. Absolutely. If your life looks too good. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Absolutely. Then you're going to go out and you've got to live up to this. That's a big thing that happens in those relationships. When you hold the other one, if I make my wife Superwoman and she thinks I'm Superman, neither one of us can live up to that. Right. And so we're going to come in under our expected bar, and there becomes the recipe for, you're not who I thought you were.

Yeah. Because we had an unfair expectation going in. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that definitely happens, too. Also, familiarity breeds contempt. People just get tired of being in the same space with the same person over and over. I'm like, stop, leave me alone. Get away.

If you get sick of people, but it's also like, who did you pick? Yeah. Who'd you pick? And why'd they pick you? Yeah. Are you someone that you would pick if you were a woman? Yeah. You know, would you want you as a husband?

Would you want you as a friend? Right. Would, you know? Yeah. And if not, maybe you should become someone that someone would like to be friends with. Yeah. Maybe you should become someone, someone would like to be a husband. Yeah.

like to have as a husband. Sit in that passenger seat you're talking about and have a look. Have a look at yourself. Yeah. That's why a good psychedelic experience every now and then knocks the dust off and gives you a little reset and lets you look at yourself and go, okay. All right. Tell me, explain me what that, what that does.

It unpacks some sort of neural cables that have gotten kind of solidified that may work, but they're sort of, they become doctrinaire. There's a lot of that and that for sure. And I think it's also a dissolving of the ego. That's a big part of it. One of the things that most psychedelic drugs have in common is they dissolve the ego, like completely dissolve the ego, at least for a brief amount of time. And during that brief amount of time, you have a much more objective understanding of what. That's why there's so many people who take mushrooms and then completely quit smoking cigarettes or completely quit taking pills.

They just go, oh my God, like, what was I doing? Why was I doing that? Like you just, you need to get outside of yourself. And I think that that was a natural part of human civilization for thousands and thousands of years. People did it in ritualistic settings in ancient Ulysses in Greece. The Illucinian Mysteries was all about that. In the Lusis, when they would all get together, they would take this trek to get. There's a fantastic book on it called The Immortality Key that a guy who's been a guest on my podcast a bunch of times, Brian Murrow Rescue wrote.

But it's all about these are the people that figured out democracy. This is like in ancient Greece, and they all did it from having these psychedelic trips. They would all go and have this trek to have this visionary experience, and they'd come back with new insight and ideas. And it dissolving in the ego. I mean, they literally came to the idea, like, hey, maybe we should let everybody have a say in how things run and vote. Like, they invented democracy, which is crazy. And they did it because probably because of psychedelic drugs. like they found these

clay pots that these people used to keep their wine in and their wine was all like mixed up with psychedelics it wasn't regular wine like we think of wine

as being an alcoholic beverage no it was wine with ergot in it so they were there was like an LSD like substance and a bunch of other stuff like you ever seen the Dumbo the animated yeah sure okay

I just noticed it because I noticed it just saw it for the I've seen it before, but recently saw it three years ago. So Dumbo after the circus goes over, puts his snout down, and drinks the runoff from the bar and the party. Okay? Stars start to think the next thing, next edit is he's in the top of a tree. He can fly. That was more than alcohol.

It was the psychedelics. The cut is directly to him in the top of a tree. That's hilarious. is, God, I haven't seen Dumbo since my kids are, like, one or two. If you see it again, you'll catch it. God, I haven't seen it for, I'm, God, I don't even know if they watch Dumbo. And the crows are they're talking shit about him, about his, how he got up here. What are you doing up here, man?

You should have seen yourself last night. Talk about I don't remember, but I was there. Dumbo didn't remember none of it, man. But he's, whew, ended up in the top of the tree. I remember when they were real little, we watched Pinocchio and how creepy it was. I was like, oh, my God, Pinocchio is creepy. when the boys got kidnapped and it turned them into donkeys. Yeah.

Remember that part? Yes. That was Pinocchio, right? Yeah. Here's the part. Dude, he has a five-minute trip in Dumbo. Oh, really? Let's see it. I mean, it's a whole scene.

The pink elephants. Oh, whoa. After he drank the... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, for sure. He just drank the slop, right? He's 100% tripping. And the last we saw was he just drank some.

Now, look at it, yeah. Wow. Pyramids And it ends here Oh wow And it ends him coming back to Earth Wait no he's not back to Earth He's up in a tree

He's up in a tree He's up in a tree That's crazy I would have never guessed I would never guess But that's actually a part of one of the rides At Disneyland Is there a Dumbo ride at Disneyland

That looks psychedelic Yes That's right No, it's Winnie the Pooh There's a Winnie the Pooh ride at Disneyland That I used to take with my kids And you go to the ride It's like a real simple ride

It's not like scary at all It's like good for like little kids And you get to this one part I'm like what are they trying to say here? Like this crazy like Tigger comes out And Tigger is like this psychedelic being And everything is like now in black light Yeah

So Tigger comes out And Tigger's like a freak Like why is this guy bouncing around On his tail tail and then it gets to a certain part get a little forward here where it gets super fucking weird like right here

like what the hell has happened it's all about honey like things are like this is like fractal this is like DMT world this is really weird like what does this have to do with Winnie the Pooh what the fuck happened it's really weird

it's like what are they trying to say here I didn't see any about honey. Yeah, there's something about the honey. It's like something about, well, you know, there's some stuff called mad honey and this mad honey. We actually ate it on the podcast once. Some guy brought it. Um, but it's a honey that these, I think it's in the Himalayas. That's where it is, right? Where these guys have to climb up the side of a cliff to get this stuff. Yeah. And these bees are all taking pollen from, is it the lotus flower? What is the psychedelic plant.

So these bees are taking pollen from the psychedelic plant, and they're making a psychedelic honey. Okay. Okay. So bad honey is a honey that contains, boy, say that word. Graiano toxins. The dark reddish honey is produced from the nectar and pollen of the genus rotoderdron. How do you say that?

Rhododendron. It has moderately toxic and narcotic effects. It produced principally in Nepal and turrets. Turkey, whereas he uses both a traditional medicine and a recreational drug. Oh, okay. But see, show how they get it, because these guys, look at how they have to climb on the side of a fucking cliff to get this stuff. And people get it just to trip out.

Wow. Imagine you try that hard to get ony, that you make like a rope ladder and you cover yourself in a beekeeper's outfit, and they're all like, these hives are all connected to the side of a cliff. It's really crazy. That's cool. Yeah. It was a very bizarre effect to the honey itself.

Did you have something? Yeah. So during the three hours after having some? Did you get a little bit of the... Well, it was in the middle of the podcast. I took it at the beginning of the podcast. I just took a big... I go, how much is a large dose?

And he's like, you take like a half a teaspoon. I'm like, fuck it. And I just took a whole big teaspoon of it. And I was like, whoa, this is interesting. How soon did he get to interesting? 20 minutes. Okay. Yeah, about 20 minutes in.

I'm like, whoa, okay. This is a new one. I was like, this is crazy, this is honey? Like, when I put this in your tea? Like, what's going on in Nepal? I don't think it's a normal use thing. I think it's an occasional use thing. Well, maybe not a full tablespoon.

It didn't, it wasn't that bad. It wasn't like I was out of my head and didn't know what to do. I was completely functional. Yeah. But it was, like, bizarre that this is in honey. So are these psychedelic trips when you lose the ego and you unlock some of the, you know, Just like you got a vacation to reset your life, sometimes you need a vacation to reset your brain. Do they help you have more energy because you're hanging on to old ideas a little bit less and you have more of an open beginner's mind and the day unravels with less certain concrete expectations or this is how that should go?

Very insightful. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, definitely. That's a part of it. Like, the less you hang on to in your head, the, the more energy you have for other stuff. Yeah. Like, you only, I always tell people, like, especially young comics, like, that are, like, getting on social media and arguing with people and stuff. I'm like, look, man, think of your time in your day as a, like, a numerical unit. Like, you have 100 units of time, 100 units of energy. If you're putting 30 of those units on some bullshit online, you're robbing yourself. of that time

that you could be putting into things you love your friendship, your comedy act, your life, you don't need to do that. Like it's a trap. You get sucked into thinking you need to do that and all it does is it just robs you of your energy. The less you're attached to like

old beefs and squat. Fuck that guy. All that those kind of things the less you're attached to that stuff, the freer you are, the more energy you have. And it's good for you. Again, it's a selfish thing. to do selfish to be kind yep yeah amen or not yeah and i think if if those things were legal and more people could experience them in a controlled setting with people who know how to administer them and know the right dose and and know you know hey what it are you on a medication

well if you're on that certain medication definitely don't be taking this stuff right because your medication's an ammo a inhibitor and this is you know this could really fuck you up but you know it doesn't even have to be that man it could be a fucking good yoga class right it could be um holotropic breathing you could just sit and breathe deeply in through your nose and out to your mouth with intention and you'll have a psychedelic experience you'll get a relief from i just got one the other day from from acupuncture really did not expect it at all and i mean i came out and going oh my gosh i just felt like i had hibernated for a 14 hour nap and woke up clean as a whistle See, I've only done acupuncture one time, and the dude was a total cuck.

He was so kooky that I just, I didn't stick around. He didn't get too weird. The guy was so weird. He was really good at acupuncture, but he was just like, it was a really weird guy in L.A., and he'd have these conversations with you. He was asking a bunch of questions, and I was like, okay, I got to get off from this guy. That's the, that's the masseuse that I, when you lay down, they go, So what's your horoscope?

And I'm going, oh, shit. Oh, no. And I go, any injuries? I'm like, yeah, this left shoulder. Like, mm, left side of your body. That means you need to get in touch. I'm like, no, no, no. I actually got hit by a car.

I don't go psychological on me just yet, man. Come on. Don't go a horoscope out of the gate. If we want to add that on for some color commentary afterwards, I'm okay with it. But let's not come out of the gate saying this is the reason. I actually just reached out to my booking guy to try to get a real astrologer on. Like someone who really understands the. ancient art of astrology, the real old stuff. Because I'm not completely discounting it. I think

newspaper horoscope is nonsense. I think there's a lot of people that are just like reading your tarot cards that are just ripping you off. But I always wonder, like at the heart, like, astrology is so specific. Like, why did they write that down? Why did they have this understanding of how the stars are aligned at the time of your birds? Pre-mathematics. Yeah. Yeah. Where part of the Earth you're at. Yeah. See, I don't even know if it's pre-mathematics.

I think it's pre our current understanding of when mathematics evolved and emerged. I don't think that's real. I think they had mathematics long before that. I think civilization was wiped out and had to restart over again. And there's a lot of evidence to that. There's a lot of evidence that, like, society has had some major cosmic event, most likely asteroid impact. common impact and um there's a whole theory behind it the younger dryest impact theory from 11,800 years ago they think we got hit and it's a there's a comet storm that we go

through every september was it November and June is that what it is something like that like June and November um and occasionally we get hit and you know there's like 900,000 and near-ear-earth objects. Yeah. And it doesn't take a really big one to fuck up everything. It doesn't take one that's going to kill everybody to fuck up anything. It just takes one the size of a block. Like one city block comes slamming into the ice caps. And then you just got chaos.

And everything goes away. And all like modern conveniences and all organized societies thrown into chaos. And then people have to rebuild. And I think that's happened a bunch of times in human history. And this is real physical evidence to this younger dryest impact theory, which also coincides with the ending in the Ice Age. It's all around the same time. And they think it was like a series of events. They think we were hit more than once.

They think they were hit around 11,800 years ago, but then again, some were around 10,000 years ago. So it's probably when we see society emerging in like Mesopotamia and Sumer, which is like around 5,000, plus. plus 6,000 years ago. I think that's just the newest version of it. I think they probably had mathematics long before that. They probably were doing shit. Whoever built the pyramids, you can't tell me they didn't have

some sort of complex geometry in mathematics. There's no way they didn't. The things are pointed to true north, south, east, and west. Like, that's 5,000 years ago. Carl Sagan, I got to sit with him for a few hours before we made this film called Contact. I was in with Jody Bostas. Fucking loved it.

You do? One of my all-time favorite movies. I loved that movie. Oh, cool. And I love Carl Sagan. Yeah. He wrote the book. Yeah.

Got to talk to him and listen to him, actually, for a few hours. Anyway, I got to know his wife, and his wife's really cool, but her hello, her greeting is always, hey, what's your coordinate? Whoa. What's your coordinate? What's your coordinate? Boy, she's a, she's a. out there but i mean that was similar of the north-south east which where are we coordinated where's the earth coordinated yeah in the galaxy in the universe in the hands of time what has happened

what's our coordinate it's a it is kind of an out there but it's a it's a pretty cool objective of a way to go let me think about that reminds me of yeah like uh you ever meet bush 41 no hi president bush how you doing today why he's holding your hand about an 8.2 today Matthew 8.2 to the 10th he would give you an answer out of 10 to the 10th of how he was doing I always thought that was pretty interesting

because everybody goes oh I'm good man great great great great how are you that's some CIA shit son he was adding it up to the 10th what's your coordinate about an 8.2 he had numbers in his head you know Herbert Walker was the guy that

Hal put off and a bunch of these scientists He brought them together and said, we have recovered, a crashed UFO, more than one occasion, and we have a back engineering program, and we're considering disclosure to the American people. I want you to list the positives, the positive impact of society, and the negatives. Yeah. And they did it with quite a few different scientists, and they all had more negatives than positive. If they came out with this information, to share this information, what would be the effect on society? Yes. More negatives than positive.

More negatives and positive. Because disruption of religion, government, economy. Well, I mean, depends on your religion. I just don't. Depends on your religion, you know, and depends on where these things are from and what is happening. What do we know? In the Bible, Ezekiel has golden chariots from the sky. Exactly.

Yeah, and a wheel within a wheel. Yeah, the Ezekiel stuff sounds like a UFO encounter. And it's not the only version of that in ancient text. In the ancient Hindu text, they have Vimanas, these things that are flying through the sky. Like, what are those things? You know, in the Big Veda, even in the Bhagavad Gita, there's all these depictions of these things that sound like you're talking about a spaceship or at the very least some kind of technology. Like this thing about the Nephilim, like that the gods mated with women and created men who are monstrous, boy, doesn't that sound like aliens came down? and genetically manipulated primates and created human beings.

That's a version of it that you could imply from the text. It's all really weird stuff, man. Like really weird. If you found out that that was all true, it would probably change everything about society. And this is what Herbert Walker and those guys decided after. So how Putoff was explaining it to me on the podcast, like how they put a numerical value. value to each thing. I'm like, we were that close. Right.

Like, imagine if that happened. This is 1990, right? Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but these kind of really weird things, as you put them, they excites you more than they give you fear. Does that be fair? Yeah. I mean... I mean, you seem excited. You get excited about different possibilities. Yes. I mean, you know, I have people go, oh, man, no.

Rogan loves these conspiracy theories. I don't see him liking the conspiracy theories. I see him always being interested in an alternate way something went down and being interested and excited about that, but not going, no, no, no, no, never disengaging from it and going, no way, no, no, because I believe how it was and what I read, and that's how it is. That's not, that's not where you're moving from. No, it's never a denial of information and facts, and it's also a recognition that oftentimes a large, swath of society just goes with a narrative without having any real understanding of what the actual facts behind it are. And then there's that term, this pejorative term, conspiracy theory. The problem with that calling someone a conspiracy theorist is conspiracies are real. Like,

there's a lot of evidence. And if you want to sit down, I could fucking show you a ton of them. And so anybody who says like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist. I'm like, okay, let's talk about conspiracies. Like, do you think that any of them exist? Do you think that people conspire? Is it like it's a natural part of human behavior that's been documented throughout history, even governments. I mean, literally, literally the thing that got us into the Vietnam War was a conspiracy. It was fake. The Gulf of Tonkin. It was a false flag operation that never took place at all.

They lied to the American people. That's a conspiracy. Like, that's just one conspiracy that turns out to be true. There's a lot of them. The problem is people don't want to look like a conspiracy theorist. They've done such a good job. of making it a goofy term that you don't ever want to attach to you if it cause damage to your reputation. If you're in a job where people have to take you seriously, fortunately I'm not.

But if you're in a job where people have to take you seriously, you don't want to say anything weird. Like, hey, I think aliens are real. People think you're a kook. And then they discount your opinion on everything. Yeah. But if you just know the actual facts, like people that don't think. there's anything that aliens are real. There's no way. We're alone. We've never been contacted. Why not? Gary Nolan, the guy who was on here yesterday that was talking about cancer research,

he was also telling us about a piece of wreckage they found from a craft. For is it 1950 that they found it? The first one, the silica won? So they have direct chain of possession of this evidence from, I believe it was 1950. and it was almost pure silica and the magnesium ratios were so off that he said that this magnesium had to have been it had to have been sourced from a place that experienced a neutron bomb every two minutes for 900 years

that's how off the isotopes were to magnesium that we find here on earth he's like I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to ever do that but I'm saying this is from 1950 like this is a real piece of what they're saying is a wreckage of a craft and it has a material

composition that is impossible for a normal person to create in 1950 so what the fuck is this and you say that to people and they're like oh so Gary Nolan who's a professor at Stanford he's a professor

in the in the what is his forensics is that what his he does cancer research but what is his actual title Stanford School of Medicine Professor, anyway, rock solid credentials, published

and people brought him this material and they said would you analyze this because you know all these different scientists and Dow Chair Department of Pathology, Stanford School of Medicine. So when a guy like that is saying, no,

there's a composition of this piece of wreckage that you can't make here. They found a type of alloy that doesn't exist on Earth, and it has on an atomic level, layers upon layers of whatever this alloy is. He's like, this would cost billions of dollars to create, and they found it in 1970.

Like, in 1970, no one had this. It's not possible to make. Like, maybe you can make it today, but we don't have the equipment to make it today. You could conceive how someone with enough research, sources could have that money today to do something like that. But it would be an enormous undertaking. And this is a piece of craft that someone found for 1976.

And when a guy like that is telling you, like, I'm not saying what it is. I'm not saying where it's from, but I'm saying, this is fucking crazy. Yeah, it doesn't add up to what we could practically do. So when someone says conspiracies, like, yeah, yeah, I believe in conspiracies because they're real. Right. And because I don't have to worry about being taken seriously. And most people do. Most people don't want to be a fool.

You don't want to be a silly person. You know, you don't want to be mocked when people aren't around you. Like, you know, fucking Bob believes the JFK assassination. Right. Yeah. You say because you don't have to be taken seriously. Yeah. Exactly.

Because, wait, because you're saying your theories on things are solid or because you in your position are going, hey, I don't have to be taken. my job does not rely on me being taken seriously right nothing what do you say to the it's like because you get you get attacked for like hey man you had so-and-so on here and and and and and and and and and and and and you placated them and you know and we do take you serious because so many people listen I'm because I always I always hear and I'm and I always find that I think there's a hole in those attacks on on you you have a massive audience of listening does that That mean, inherently, not necessarily is what I hear you saying, that, oh, everything I say should be taken seriously because that information is going wide.

No. So people's argument is going, Joe, you have a massive audience. So that's your responsibility to make sure, blah, blah, blah, blah, they go down that rabbit hall. My responsibility is only just to be me. I don't have a responsibility to do anything else. I definitely have a responsibility to not lie to people. And I definitely have a responsibility to not willingly allow someone else to lie without at least question. right if I know that they're lying but other than that my responsibility is just to keep doing what I've done and that's why I have a big audience it's not because it's not because of any other reason so I'm not going to do anything any differently no I see that I applaud it I don't think you have to I don't think it's good I don't think it's smart I don't think you should be paying too much attention to what other people's opinions of what you should or shouldn't be doing are as long as you have a good internal compass as long as you have a good true north

and you know and my true north is how do I feel about it like what do what do I feel like I feel like I'm a good person for doing this do I feel like that was a beneficial thing for them and for me I'm happy they're happy we're all good and that's what I want I just want I want a hug and a handshake thank you that was awesome yeah good times and I want to hear from them like this has been amazing for me that's that makes me excited that's all that's all I like that's that's cool you got it you make it sound so simple but as you probably know for A lot of people in your position, it ain't that simple. But it is if you follow the right path.

Yep. It's not that hard. Like, people say it's hard. I'm like, you know, you work so hard. Like, eh, look at us right now. This is me working. It's not that hard. Yeah.

This ain't, I've had jobs. I've done construction. I've done like horrible jobs that suck. This is not a job. This is just a fun pursuit. So you have a responsibility to the people that listen. And I think the people that listen, expect me to be me and that's all you can do boom and as soon as you start changing they

fucking know right like they'll they'll like oh you fucking changed yeah and people will always accuse you of changing even if you haven't but i i think i've evolved i've most certainly evolved i've tempered the way i view life i'm more i'm definitely kinder and more patient but i'm the same person same person like the same goals just curious i'm interested like talk to people. Yeah. And I want everybody to do well. I really genuinely do. Well, that's a, that's not, that's not an overly common trait. It should be. I think it should be too. And it's not hard. I think the way you described it is great. It actually is selfish. And I say that all the time. It really is selfish to be a kind person. I'm on a crusade to change the

understanding of that word because I think we sell ourselves short. And with, there is a way where what is best for us is actually best for the most amount of people and vice versa. Yeah, I agree. And at the end of the day, it is all got to be very personal. Mm-hmm. And then to have some dignity in it. It's the difference between choice and a mandate. No, you've got a choice, but make the fucking right choice.

Mm-hmm. Measure the choice. You got power when you make the choice. Yep. And you deal with the consequences. I love to go, oh, bogey there, McConaughey, and I can look in the mirror and go, that's on you. Yeah. Then I'm going to make a good decision, something that works out.

I can look in the mirror and go, good. good man we hit that one on the screws i like i honestly like fucking up sometimes because then it makes me really reset and go oh boy get it back together what's the last big fuck up you had were you like oh you have a weird podcast you're like that one sucked like maybe i was like worked out too hard before i got here that's not good like that that's a bad one that i do sometimes like come in charging and in getting over getting ahead no like i'm worn out uh and then my brain's not firing on all so like if i do leg like i do a leg day yeah i do a lot of of squats and pull the sled I come in and my brain is just like wiped out you know that's

not good I've done that you know I've you know but it's just when you're not on point okay what did I do wrong why didn't get enough sleep you know maybe I didn't take my neutropics whatever it was like maybe I didn't do enough research on the subject whatever it is like let's get it back together got you pull that fucking shit back around see with that self-regulation yeah you're self-regulating because I could have done better I missed my mark oh I'm gonna don't like it when I do that I'm a little embarrassed when I do that

damn it I feel shitty I didn't get I didn't leave that situation better than I found it I didn't come forward I didn't prepare enough for whatever that might be man more of that across the board it's good for everybody yeah man it's you gotta be your own general you're gonna be your own like wake up soldier

you know I always talk about the cold plunge because it is the one time people say oh how do you do it every day listen to me very carefully. I almost don't every day. Every day. I get that close to bitching out every single day.

I'm amazed how weak I am. I'm amazed. Every time I go to lift that fucking lid off that thing, I'm like, oh my God, I don't. I'm not doing this. I am not doing this. I'm not doing it. And then when I get in, I'm like,

maybe I'll only do a minute today. Maybe I'll get out right now. Don't you want to get out right now? I'm like, shut the fuck up. I get to let the general talk, and the general is like, shut the fuck up, soldier. You will stay in that water. I'm like that dude from a full metal jacket. Outstanding!

Yes. Yeah. Yeah, a little self-regulation, man. Yeah, but every day I almost don't. David Gockens told me that, too. Who's like the most mentally strong human being I've ever met, and maybe the most mentally strong human being that's ever walked to face the planet. And he said, he goes, even though I run every day,

sometimes I look at my sneakers I stare at those motherfuckers for a half an hour before I put him on he's thinking to him I mean he's out there running like marathons literally every day

and he would just like I don't want to do this I don't want to do this but he does it that's the thing it's like people want to think that people that are mentally strong don't struggle

no you just you do struggle you always struggle but you win every time right You make sure that you win every time. And you can win every time, but you've got to develop that ability to make yourself do the things you don't necessarily want to do, but you know you should. It's a little bit of that, I don't know if you ever saw that Joe Kovic interview on 60 Minutes.

No, it didn't. And 60 Minutes interview, I forget his name was going, like, look, so, you know, your mental capacity is why you're so good. And my hunch is that, Novak, it's because you have less negative thought, and Djokovic interrupts him. Uh-uh. you might have to pull this one up this is good his answer's great he goes no no no I have as many or more negative thoughts I just get past them quicker than others yeah that's so he's not denying the negative thoughts he's let him let him come and then bam out of the way I got it on the next yeah he has control yeah yeah he has control of those thoughts they come in and he

swats them down yeah you'll have to have some negative thoughts if you're going to be an elite athlete because you have to be your own worst critic. You can't be satisfied with anything. If you want to reach the very tip of the top, every movement must be more precise and more explosive and better every time you do it and you have to do all the training and you leave no stone unturned.

And if you don't do that, you're never going to reach the level that he's at in anything. Let me ask you about this. I've got to pull him on it, but I'm just trying to remember what it was about. It's success in, say, MMA, for instance. What's a better resume for a great performance or victory?

Suffering to succeed or revenge? Oh, suffering to succeed? Yes. Yeah. Why? The emotions that come with revenge are crippling, and sometimes they can keep you up at night, and they'll fuck with.

with your sleep and then the consequences of you losing are far greater because you genuinely hate this person. There's a, you know, some people thrive under those conditions, oddly, but I would think most of the time, most of the time trying to just achieve the highest version of yourself is the most aspirational. And I think the best of the best do that. Right. The very bad, the George St. Pierre's of the world, they do that.

They're playing against themselves. They're playing against themselves. Yeah, they're trying to be the very best version of themselves that they can be. And if they do that right and leave no stone on turn, they can achieve greatness. But it's not going to be easy. It's going to be, they go through hell. I mean, to become an elite fighter is one of those physically difficult things and then psychologically difficult things that a human being can ever undertake outside of war and maybe law enforcement.

Other than that, you're dealing with. physical struggle, the likes of most people will never experience in their life. You're literally hurling bones in the direction of a trained assassin, and the two of you are going to do it publicly in your underwear in front of the whole world, barefoot with these little tiny pads on your knuckles and a cup over your dick, and you're just going to go out there and kick each other and strangle each other. It's crazy. It's a crazy sport. And so there's this balance of the mind and the body and the intention and how you allocate your resources in time and how you manage stress and how you deal with the pressures of trying to succeed and the doubts

and the fears in the suffering to succeed yeah is it fair to say I think it is that like the people that you know like the seeing beyond the immediate goal meaning Right. We choke at the goal line when we look up and get objective and go, oh, shit, fourth and one, this could be the game winner. All I got to get is one yard. Right. Whereas, no, I run. I will run through.

I will use my ability. I will cross the. Bo Jackson, when he scored, he'd go through the end zone down the fucking tunnel. The best snipers don't aim at the target. They aim on the other side of it. Getting through COVID, part of what I know. helped me was going, oh, it's going to be like this for 10 years, gang, family, buckle up. Yeah.

It did nice 10 years. It was much shorter. Oh, shit. We were preparing for a much longer journey going to work out. This is going to be hell. Get ready for it, dude. And then all of a sudden you're like, all right, that's it. Wait, I'm done.

Projecting past the goal, cellularly, I think, wakes up something in us on survival level that we don't choke. We don't get fatigued as quickly. We don't want to quit sooner because we have in our mind. No, the end is not right around the corner. Right. And it's a bit of a mental trick. But I think that it has something to do with that what champions do. They see beyond.

They're playing Archmanning right now. There's never been more hype on a college quarterback ever. I believe that guy is wired and that family bloodlines even wired. They're beyond this hype. This hype, this is mortal. Right. This is mortal shit, guys. Great.

It's about the process. It's about winning games. If UT goes and wins the championship, they're preseason ranked number one. Never been ranked number one before. I believe that this team is like, oh, well, thank you for the compliment. But we're on our own mission. That being preseason rank number one or being on the cover of Frickland Sports Illustrated is not a curse nor validation. It's just noise out there.

And if we do it and you go, we told you you'd be number one, we'll look at you and go, oh, well, thank you. But that's it. I'm not, they don't need a pep rally to go, the rest of the world thinks you can win this too. Right. Well, good for them. We're not playing for them. We're doing our thing. I have a mission here.

I believe in a path that I'm on. And I'm going beyond this hype or I'm going beyond this game. I'm playing for a whole, I'm prepared mentally and spiritually for an entire season of hell. I'm prepared to fight this assassin on the other side of me that wants to defend and do to me what I want to do to them. making the resistance or the adversary seem bigger and longer and going to be more tumultuous seems to be a good way to succeed going beyond and all of a sudden you look up I get this from when I've done my best acting I didn't know it was the last day when they yelled cut at the end of the last scene of the last day of shooting I was walking off going I see you tomorrow

and they're like no no no there is no tomorrow you were just in the zone that's it yeah That's it? We wrapped? Oh, shit. Oh, hey, Joe. How you doing for the first time? Because you were just locked in. Boom.

Yeah. Best rounds of golf. I walked off the 18th green and was heading to the next T-box to look up and realize, no, that's it. You played eight-oh, shit, what I shoot? Oh, 74. I didn't look at my scorecard on 16 and go, if I can just keep it in the fair way in this last. three holes, maybe get in with the parts, don't bogey. I didn't anticipate.

So I didn't get my room. I behaved and went through the finish line. Yeah. That's something in there is in suffering to succeed rather than fighting for revenge, seeing on the other side of the target. Yeah. You follow what I'm... 100%.

Yeah. It's also like concentrating on what you're trying to do versus the impact of what it is. Like if I miss this, oh my God, I'm fucked. Yeah, right. Yeah. Instead of that, you're just thinking. about I'm going to make this. This is how I make this. This is how I do this. This is how I do this. This is how I behave. It's also in today's world with all the stimulus we're talking

about and social media, et cetera, we're all sort of living in the third person or being fed opportunities to live in the third person all the time. It's like we have a jumbotron and to use a football analogy, you kick me the ball. I'm running the kickoff back and I'm going down the sideline and I see the goal line and I think I'm going to score. And then I have a look at the jumbotron to see how I'm doing. That's when I'm getting tackled from behind. Yeah. If we step outside to have a look at how are we doing.

Yeah, for sure. That passenger you open up talking about when you're hitting it comedically is not hopping out over here to have a look. And if you do, you'll get lost. You get lost. You get conscious of what you're behaving, what you know how to do, what's your fashion to do. And you're out of the moment. Yep. And you become objective.

Yeah, we all love watching someone do something where we know they're in the zone. right like where someone runs in for a layup and it's like the most beautiful movements avoiding the defenders up in the air drops the ball in and we're like wow when we see someone just hit the zone we see it in a fight when we see someone just flow we see someone flowing like wow he's feeling it you know whoa she's locked in we love that because we know that it's somewhere in ourselves and maybe at one point in your life you experienced, you know, I've been playing mini golf or something. Like one point in your life, you're like, I think I felt a little bit of that.

Right. How much do you think preparation has to do with the freedom to adapt and flow once you're in the game? A lot. A lot. A lot. Yeah, almost everything. If you're not prepared, your ability to adjust is very limited. Yeah.

You have to be fully prepared and then let it flow. But you have to like, really, really. have all your bases covered to just to like just so that you don't have anxiety if i could have done more yeah that is a big issue with fighters we see fighters towards the end of their career there's a thing that happens when fighters realize they're probably never going to be champion and they're just doing it for a paycheck and you know you see sometimes they'll show up and they look a little soft and you're like you see a little fear in their eyes because they know they really are not focused they're really not dialed in but this is what they're doing for a paycheck now yeah and it's

not good. Right. Because the other guy on the other side of the octagon is the opposite. That guy's dialed in. Maybe he's only like 25 and he's like coming into his prime and you're a stepping stone for him. And it's like, ooh. And the problem and figure that is what? Getting actually really injured? Sure. More so than if you were. 100%. You'll definitely take shots you wouldn't take. And then you're, you don't have the endurance to keep up a pace. Right? Because you like to get to this shape that you have to have to be able to compete

in a five-round MMA fight it's almost impossible to maintain like Chale Sondin's talked about this extensively it's like you can't keep it up it's not like a level of conditioning that you can keep up all year round you have to peek to it where you're like your body's barely

hanging on and then you coast the last week to allow yourself to like recover and you're just kind of going through movements the last few days and then on Saturday under the bright lights, you are at 100% capacity. I mean, they've been monitoring your fucking heart rate and checking your resting heart rate and checking your blood and your heart rate variability and whether your nutrient

levels at. You're fucking finely tuned for that Saturday night. And if you're not, if you didn't cover any of those bases, you're going to know the back of your head, you're going to know, like, I'm going to give it my best, but boy, I don't have a big gas tank and I could have trained harder and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm I get so damn excited about this, this seems like this, the blind spot that still is there to be taken advantage of for preparing for peak performance. Darrell Royal, coach of the University of Texas at one couple of national championships here at Texas, had always said, if you got 12 games in the year, you can expect for your team to be at peak performance level, two Saturdays out of 12. You want to make sure that those two Saturdays are against the toughest teams.

You want to make sure that the other ones where they're like, okay, they did well, but they didn't play to their peak performance, are against the good teams. And you want to do your best to make sure that the days that they're off, you're playing the shitty teams that you can beat, even when you're not merely there. That seems like so much more opportunity for that number to rise today, to have a much higher number that you can be ready for peak performance.

Who are the best preparers? in, I don't know, MMA, in your mind. Oh, well, all the champions, when you get to a championship level, when you get to, like, Alessandre Pantoja, or when you get to, you know, Islam Machachev, when you get to, like, that level, they're all, you're at a championship level, they're all, they're all have impeccable preparation. They're all, yes, it's impeccable. And so the, the margin for error, okay, it's measured, it's time, this is. Yeah, they're all dialed in with diet. They're dialed in with their weight. They're dialed in with strength and conditioning.

They're dialed in with their sparring. It's impeccable. You can't compete at a world-class level today and not have that. It's not possible. So physically? Yeah. Mentally. Yeah.

Are these two different coaches? Are these one camp? Some people don't have mental coaches at all. Some elite fighters have no mental coaches. Okay. But some of them do. Some of them, like we had this guy, Brandon Epstein, the other day that he works with quite a few UFC fighters. and he's got a very specific protocol that he mentally prepares them for

and he coaches them through things and sets up like a way to visualize and see yourself performing and see yourself doing things and how you view your performance like to get you into a mindset where once you get into that octagon you're locked into this pathway instead of like straying and letting anxiety and fear overcome you which can happen to fighters but then there's other guys that don't have any coaches for that at all They just have the mindset already, and they're comfortable with what they have, and they just stay disciplined and just go in there. It's very personal, because everybody's brain is different.

They all have, like, different ways of expressing themselves, different ways. How much is technology and diet and stuff helped? A lot. Yeah, a lot. A lot. Technology, just understanding nutritional balances, understanding, like when you do a nutrient analysis or your blood work, like, oh, you're deficient in niacin, this is this is your, probably you're wearing down, you don't have enough B-12 in your system, making

sure you get the correct amount of protein. Like, you can't, you can't miss any of those things if you want to achieve peak performance. You have to have everything. Your hydration, your electrolytes, everything has to be dialed in. Your sleep, which is one of the biggest ones.

Like, this is like a lot of these young guys. The problem is they still go out and party. They're still hanging out with girls till 2 o'clock in the morning and then they're at training at 8 a.m. Like you can't do that and be a professional and expect to be world class or expect to beat the guys who are just as good as you but get that preparation. They're going to have an advantage. Yeah. Yeah. You know the argument of athletes, you know, well, who was better then or now? What would they have done then? I think that we've, athletes have evolved and athletes we have now are just better than athletes ever were.

Yeah, I think so, too. And that they're bigger, they're more powerful, they're more focused, they're more specific, that they're just better, that if they played in that time, they would be that much better than, even than they are now. Yeah. Seems to be, I think we're just evolving that way. They also have the benefit of watching people do it before them and do it really well, so they aspire to that level and then to surpass that level, whereas those people were

pioneers. Yeah. Larry Bird didn't have a lot of people to watch, play basketball, before Larry Bird, you know. There was a few, but you know, black and white footage. It's not like you didn't see it every day. You didn't have it on the internet. Now kids, they could just watch every Jordan highlight reel,

every time LeBron James has scored, every Steph Curry three-pointer, they could watch it any time they want. And then that is a level that they're aspiring to. Think of all the football games that kids can watch now and analyze. Think of all the fights that people coming up now that want to be a martial artist, they can watch. And so they aspire to this level,

that has already been achieved by the greatest of all time, and then they want to surpass that, which is what human beings have always done athletically all throughout time. It's not like guys who broke records in the 1930s. We don't break those today. Those are not the same records. Like, those don't hold up. We 100% get better.

From 90 years ago to today, there is no comparison. The athletes are far better. And they're going to continue. 90 years from now, it'll probably be, if there's humans, they'll probably be far better. You know, experiments that have happened in the NFL, you know, and I think this is correct. But I was always Washington.

It was then the Redskins fan. And I think it was 1986 or 1988. They had the heaviest offensive line, and they averaged 286. Somewhere around there. Those numbers. Big fellas. Pretty close, right? But compared to today, that would be the lightest.

Right. Nuts. And then Dallas with Nate Newton in the... those guys had a point where they were going, oh, we're going to get guys up to 3.30. Oh, let's get them to 340. And they peaked when some of them got to 360, the bone marrow. They were big, but they lost agility and speed. And they went, uh-oh, we hit the ceiling.

We went past it. We got to come back. Interesting. These are the hogs. There's the hogs. Look at the middle with a mustache. I think that's Russ Grimm. Boy, it was big fellas.

And there's Joe Jacoby over here, 66. Big fellas. The hogs. What a great name. Yeah. That's hilarious. But they hit the top of, like Dallas, they hit, they went too far. Right.

The thing was bigger is better, so let's get bigger. And then all of a sudden agility went. They went, oh, it's not 360. It's come way back down. Well, believe it or not, the UFC heavyweight division has a weight class. You can't be over 265 pounds. You can't? No.

They have to fight for the UFC heavyweight title. You must weigh 265 pounds or both. low. So you're 270. You got to lose weight. You don't have, you got to weigh in. It's happened before where guys had to lose weight to fight heavyweight. Tim Sylvia, when he was the UFC heavyweight champion, had a cut weight to hit the 265 pound weight glass. He was so big that like 265 was a struggle for him to get down to. Isn't that never going to have to rise? Well, I would assume It should, but the problem is there's actually a heavyweight class above that, that's super heavyweight. But we've never had that in the UFC.

There's never been a single super heavyweight fight in the UFC. Everything has always been inside the 265-pound weight class, which I think is real weird. Where'd that number come from? I don't know. The numbers are real weird anyway because there's giant gaps in them. It's like one of the major problems with MMA is that there's a lack of weight classes. So in boxing, there's weight classes. you got 126, 130, 135, it goes 135 to 140, 140, 140, 147, 147, 54.

With the USC, it's like 35, 45, 55, 55, then it goes 70, 85, so you got a 15-pound weight difference, and then it goes 20-0-5, so you got 20 pounds, and then you got 265, so that's 60 pounds for heavyweight. It's crazy. The gaps are just too big. They're gigantic, so that's a major problem. with MMA in that there's less weight classes than there should be. And then you have a cap on heavyweight, which is bananas.

Like, you should have no cap. Heavy weight should be, how big is this guy? Like, let him fight. Big as you think you can handle him. Come in. Yeah. I mean, what about the mountain? That guy from Game of Thrones?

If that guy had a fight in the UFC, he wouldn't be able to make weight. He's too big. That guy's almost 400 pounds. You know? Yeah, I never knew that. I thought heavy weights like $2.6. 25 and up, 250 and up. Whatever you want to come in with. That's what it should be. Yeah. But there really should be a weight class around 225. There's something like that.

What class would that be? You just name a new class? Well, boxing has something like that. What is the boxing weight class that's like below heavy weight? There's cruiser weight, but then there's a new one. There's a recent one over the past few years that they've developed. But that's one thing that boxing does a much better job with, I think, providing fighters the correct. weight class where they can compete in. What is it called? I think there's another one that they're calling. They're calling it. God, I can't remember the name of it. Super Cruiserweight?

Super Cruiserweight. Yeah, that's it. I think they called it something different, though. They had a name for it. Eh, whatever. Maybe you'll find it. Maybe not. But the point is, 265 is the limit.

So, like, Francis Inganu, when he was the heavyweight, he used to have a cut weight. He had to lose weight to get down to 265. And then how much is he putting on that last week? He's probably putting another 10 on, at least. He's not losing a ton, but he's got to watch his calorie output. He's a massive human. Hey, I met him in Saudi Arabia. Fucking God's so big.

He's so big. That's a real tragedy that him and the UFC couldn't figure it out. that bothers me a lot because that guy was he was the scariest heavyweight champion of all time for sure he put guys in orbit he would hit them and you just go

it would hurt you like watching it you're like oh no all men are not created equal that's another problem with fighting no matter how much preparation you have no matter how much intelligent you are

some people are faster and hit harder than you and you ain't going to fix that right in the gym You'll get a little better, but you're never going to bridge that gap. Yeah. I had a dream of being an NBA basketball player. Did you? Was that your dream?

For a while. How old were you? I was young, and I was like, I'm going to dunk. No matter how much, this guy sitting here would have worked out and hustled. I was never going to be able to dunk, bro. Didn't have the innate ability. Didn't have the DNA. Didn't have the make-out.

I bet you could. I bet you could over time. I bet someone could teach you how to dunk. I bet if someone got you on a serious trading program when you're younger, right now it would be rough. It would be rough track. It would be rough on the tendons. Yes.

A lot of stress. When you get to VRA, it's just like, maybe you shouldn't be dunking. How about take dunking off the menu? Yeah, that was whatever. But when you're young, I think you could teach a guy, but it would, you know, it's not as easy as that. Like for some people, they could just dunk.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that thing about not everyone being created equal. Yeah, you've got to have. have innate ability. Oh, yeah. And the hustle, the work ethic. If you got both, and there's a lot of, look, there's a lot of five-star players who don't have the hustle. And then there's a lot of...

Some of the most talented ones, right? Because it comes too easy to them. Yeah. And some of the ones that aren't as talented, but just will not stop. They will not stop pushing. Because they had to work harder for everything they ever did, they have that extra gear and that allows them to be champions i hear more more CEOs saying give me johnny and jane hustle from western kentucky before belinda and joseph from harvard yeah yeah i would agree with that you mean this one that's ready to come hustle that's ready to get scrappy adapt work press the edges on front and the back end yeah give me that and someone is all in yeah you want someone is all in you don't want someone who's like looking at the clock wants to leave yeah someone who's just like

doesn't feel like they're being appreciated enough you want someone who's like fully all in on their work do you think there's been there's theories about with AI coming that now more than ever that's what you need is the one that's knows a little it has more of a liberal arts education I know a little bit, a lot of things. And I can hit many different avenues rather than be an expertise in one certain thing. I mean, it's like just, what, six years ago, you tour the campuses that were like, computer programming. That's what you want your job to be. That's what we need.

Right. No, you don't. Now it's over. It's over. They're telling you, don't get into programming. Uh-uh. So what specifics are the jobs or the creations, the vocations that are going to be out there for our youth here coming up that are going to be like, that's how you're going to make it.

I question the college education now. I question the worth of it. How much is it still a knowledge factory that has not adapted to changing times and needs in the workforce? And how much of it needs to be updated for getting young men and women prepared to go into the workforce? Yeah, it's a good question. I think it's really unknown territory. And I think AI is going to take jobs away that we never thought we were going to lose. I think lawyers are off

I think they're in trouble coders are gone accountants are gone accountants are gone yeah it's going to be really fucking weird it's going to be really weird for Hollywood

I mean you've seen some of these these films if you've seen the old Star Wars that they're doing they're remaking Star Wars with AI with old Luke Skywalker like when he was young like when Luke Skywalker's

they're doing a completely new scenes that look exactly like HD versions of Star Wars in 1975. It's what it looks like. But it's in HD today with AI using Mark Hamill's voice. So it sounds exactly like him as young Luke Skywalker. It's bananas, man.

It's bananas. There's a lot of weirdness with music. There's a lot of weirdness with literature. You're going to have all sorts of AI. So no one knows what's going to survive this. I think I assume that a bunch of people at the end of the day are going to get really sick of artificially created things and want something that they know was made by a person

whether it's a book that is made by a person or a song like an Oliver Anthony's song. You think we're going to want a tangible, physical. Yeah, books are going to be like, you know, some people just love vinyl. Yeah, love them. They just love the pressing the needle down and hearing the crackle.

And that's what There's going to be a lot of that still People are going to want to buy books from people That actually wrote the book They're going to want to go to see a guy Perform music in an actual club Where you see the guy on stage You know it's live

There is always going to be a desire For handmade things A guy made this table I know them's you know But other than that man No one knows It's the unknown Because no one knows

knows what the capabilities of these things are going to be. Well, and the tech, the AI tech companies keep saying, no trust is a lot of jobs are going to be lost, but they're going to create so many other jobs. But I haven't heard anyone answer what those jobs are going to be. Yeah. I don't even think they know, honestly. They don't even know why these things are so good at what they are good at. They keep getting smarter and smarter, and they blow them away.

Like, Elon told me that every week he has, like, these new discoveries there, it's like, what? This is crazy. It's like every week we're blown away. So it just keeps getting more and more capable. We don't know where this is going. So if you're in college right now, like, I mean, it's so cliche to say follow your dream, but really do follow your fucking dream. Because that might be the only thing that you've got. Right.

Because if you think you're just going to get a really good job in an industry that might be completely wiped out in three years by A.I. that's a lot of people are going to be going down that path yes a lot yeah yeah is crime going to go up you're going to have people out of jobs they're going to be you know what are these people going to do could I think it's universal basic income is probably the only way to solve at least on the short term where how we're going to lose a lot of stuff look at you man you got a lot of little tabs in there I do very organized you're very organized Well, these are ones

that I thought could be cool conversation starters for us and we've kind of covered actually some of them you've ever had anyone

read poems on the show before? Yeah, Lex Friedman. Oh, there you go. All right. You want to find a good one? We'll wrap it up with a great poem.

Yeah, man. Let's go. This book is out right now? No September the 16th. September 16th. This is a fun one that I wrote. It's kind of based on extra credit.

It's kind of relying on fate or extra credit that we get that sometimes we rely on the extra credit participation trophies. It's where this one kind of started for me. So it's a fun one. And it might get us talking about something. It's called Tips Included. When extra credits include, included, credit doesn't get its due. When more gives us less, the exchange rate's going to skew.

When amnesty is offered, going into the crime, we're more bound to commit it, because there is no fine. We start playing to tie instead of going for the win, when participation is the trophy for every cow in the pen. If I stay on the porch because you picked up the slack, when you look over your shoulder, I can't have your back. If there is no curfew, we'll stay out all night. No tab at our bar, we get drunk and start a fight. All these long lenses got us losing our sight. You keep lifting it for me, I'm going to lose all my might. When a four-star duty suits a six-star rate,

we take our hands off the wheel, rely on fate. Eating all we can, that's all we can eat buffet, gives us a 3.8 education and a 4.2 GPA. We steal from ourselves and get away with the same. scam. What's the measure of merit with less give a damn? These unlimited options, they sure got me confused, while all the conveniences keep me properly lubed. In this red light district with the whore of inflation, the ROI's math don't pay for the vacation. So let's just admit it, this extra credit's quite a fluffer, because when the tips included, the service will

suffer that's great that's fun that's really good and dead on you fucking right on the head perfect it's a fun man I mean yeah I think I came when my the 11th place team got the same size

trophy as the first place team and I was like they went 0 and 10 but the winning team went 10 and oh you kind of like saying oh the winning team went 5 and 5 and the losing team went 5 and 5 I don't get it Don't hurt the feelings Don't lose Don't get told no

Your feelings have to get hurt sometimes That's how you learn and grow And you can't protect anybody from that And that's the problem We want to do that with our children All my best friends All my favorite people had terrible chaotic childhoods

And they all became very interesting people But I don't want my kids to have a terrible chaotic child I don't want to have a wonderful love-fits you know bountiful childhood yeah but that comes with yeah well i think they have to find things that they uh that they find that are difficult that they getting grossed with they they they really love to pursue and fortunately my kids do that but i think they you have to have a struggle you have to have a task if you just want to like oh you get a trophy too everybody gets a trophy it's okay no one there's no losers it got hard okay quit when my kids were real little one of my

daughters was playing in a soccer game and they didn't they wouldn't say the score I'm like but I know the fucking score I just watched they lost yeah yeah you can't say there's no score this is so crazy but they were doing this in California they had like scoreless games I'm like okay I mean but look why are you trying to score then why you're trying to score if you don't count it This doesn't make any sense. This is soccer. Soccer has a damn score. Why is our goalie trying to keep them from scoring?

Exactly. What's the point? Give a gully a little credit. Everybody, what's up with the rules? Pick it up with your hands. This is stupid. If you don't have a loser, you don't have a desire to get better to become a winner. That's the part of the process.

Sometimes kids lose and they cry. And by the way, if you don't ever go through that, then you don't understand how to lose. so you never develop a healthy ability to manage competitiveness. Yep. Amen. Some people just never get that, man. They never get healthy competition. It makes for a very unhealthy person.

So you're not able to just compete. Well, especially once they leave the house. Yes. And they're on their own because the world sure plays by the rules and the score is kept. Yes. And you don't win everyone. Yes. No matter how good you are.

Yes. and there's nobody coming back in to tuck you in bed and say it's okay let's put some ice on it you're dealing with yourself man that wake up call that's cold I got a cool movie coming out called The Lost Bus will be out in October

it's going to be in theaters for a couple weeks and it goes on Apple and streams remember the Paradise Fires in 2018 in Paradise California? Yes I think the number was 30 people or so died. Jamie Lee Curtis heard this story on NPR and went to Jason Bloom and Jason Bloom went to Paul Greengrass,

who's director of Captain Phillips, United 93, Black Sunday, really good action director, but also with a good personal and dramatic story in it. And then they came to me for it. And there were a lot of heroic people at that time that went, ran towards the crisis instead of away from the crisis. but this one particular story about this bus driver and this teacher that got 22 kids to safety was the story we picked to tell. And we went and shot it in Santa Fe. This guy that I play is, oh, here's the trailer. Yeah, we're not listening to it.

Just tell me while those trailers going on. Oh, okay. So this guy, Kevin and our story, comes back home because his dad has passed away and he's going to take care of his widowed mother and try to reunite with his son, which, by the way, check this out, Joe. My mom plays my mom and Levi plays my son. Oh, wow. In a movie, man.

Your mom plays your mom. That's cool. Yeah. So he comes back, do that, and he gets a part-time job as a school bus driver. He goes out that morning. There's a fire coming across the canyon, as they always do, no problem. first responders head out well by the afternoon it got no out of hand

and was jumping the canyon and so that afternoon as he's now decided oh shit I got to go back and get my mom and my son neither one of them even drive get them to safety on the way home barging home to go barge in the highway to go get them a call comes through dispatch I got 22 stranded kids on the east side of town

is anyone over there with an empty bus whoa guess who's got an empty bus fuck I want to go get my mom and my son man but he takes the call and says I'll go get him he goes and gets him a teacher their teacher gets on the bus and this is their story of

about eight hours of going through hell and how and if they got out of it and really awesome adrenaline pumped action which you're going to get from green grass and a story like that like the fire this is as good as a fire movie as there's been the fire is a fucking

predator. It's from the POV. It's like jaws. The fire is actually like the shark and jaws in this thing. Plus, a really cool story of redemption, father, sons, and, you know, two people doing what they can to survive when there were no, there were no contact. All the telephone towers are down and the dispatcher was down. No one had any contact. So he didn't know if his mom and son were okay. He didn't know where to go, where the traffic jams were. And what happened is the first responders left early to go get the fires when they got there it had already jumped the canyon so when they were coming back to town the mandatory evacuation the whole town's leaving it couldn't get back in town so it's a it's a bit of a horror film in that way but um moving fire is predator man yeah that is

what it feels like if you ever get stuck in one of those things yeah it feels like a monster yeah that sounds awesome so that uh it's pretty good it's tough Tough movie, but a good one. Beautiful. Yeah. I can't wait to see it. Cool, man. Thank you for being here, man.

It was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. Thank you. And that poem was awesome. That was really good. So dead on the head. Thanks. That's the best participation trophy poem of all time.

That's really good. Thanks. The book is called, there it is right there, poems and prayers. Out soon, pre-order now. Did you do the audio? You did, right? Of course you did. You have to.

You can't have an actor doing your voice. How dare you? That would be impossible. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Absolutely.

Goodbye, everybody.