The Joe Rogan Experience - #2383 - Ian Edwards

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

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Joe Rogan podcast checking out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night All day Tadda What's up, son? How is it possible you haven't been here In the five years I've been living here?

Oh, shit, it's been five years? Yeah, man, it's been five years. That's pretty fucking crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't. I like it, though. Thank you.

It's like. It's got the sauna walls and shit. It's very close to what the old one was instead of brick we went with wood. Because we were kind of faking it with the brick in the old place. It was fake brick. It wasn't fake brick. It was real brick. But what they do is they take like a mesh.

And then they take real bricks and they slice them thin. And then they put up the cement and they glue the real bricks in place. Oh, okay. But it's not really a brick wall. It just looks like a brick wall. I feel like a real brick wall should only be. be the only brick wall that you show right you like I went to a pool hall the other day and they had a plastic brick wall and I got deeply disappointed I touched it I was like oh this is a fake brick

wall this is bullshit this is plastic yeah I mean it's it's a push to have like a half fake brick wall yeah to have like a plastic brick wall that's that you're going too far did you just leave the pool hall like fuck this place no no I did no I'm a junkie I stayed but the The brick used to bother me that it was fake brick at the other studio. I'm like, we're kind of bullshit in here. Some people have like some comedy clubs or somebody fake a comedy spot. It's just a sheet. Yeah.

Like a, it's not a curtain, but. A brick sheet. A brick sheet. And you're like, bro, what you got back there? Let's just show that. Just show whatever's back there. It's weird how that became the backdrop for a comedy club. Why?

It's a good question. I don't know when to start. Maybe it started with Evening at the Improv. What was evening at the improv's backdrop? Was that a brick wall? It might have been that simple. Right. Because back in the 1980s, was it?

Aha. Look at that. That's it. Bro, is that Ellen? It makes me wonder if that wall is real. That's Ellen. Look at that picture of Ellen. That's crazy.

That's crazy. Chris Rock, Adam Sadler. Wow. Wow. When I started doing comedy, I used to go to the comic strip, And they had a brick wall too. And to get on stage at the comic strip,

you had to come the first Friday of every month and try to pick a number. And if you got a number, they had like a lot of things. There's like all these open micers lined up down the street. And then... This is dreadlocks, Ian's days. This is pre-dreadlocks.

You didn't have dreadlocks? Nah. I might have had like twist and shit. Please don't find none of the... those folks. Bro, how have I known you? Like 30 years or some shit? Yeah, we've known each other 30 years.

That's crazy. Wow, we were a little babies. Yeah. Little babies. Doing the Boston. Yep. Yeah. It's crazy when I was like, like how, not how, but we just had no fucking idea.

Yeah. Like how all this shit would turn out. No idea. Yeah. With no idea even how it all worked. Right. You know, he's just taking chances on stage, trying to figure out what's funny. and then trying to get work, trying to get work on the road.

I just knew once I had the inclination to do it, the moment I had the inclination to do it, I was like, oh, I'm doing this for the rest of my life. Like that, once that moment hit, so then all bets on everything else was off. And I just started just doing it and just doing it locally in Long Island. And then I remember seeing A&A, the improv and seeing Chappelle on there,

And I noticed that all the comics on Long Island that used to, like, be ahead of me and host the shows that I was doing the mics on and headlined all weekend. Excuse me, all weekend in Long Island. None of those comics were on TV. So I was like, I got to get to Manhattan. Like, all the comics that were on TV were in Manhattan. I felt the exact same way. Living in Boston. All these guys I knew they were so funny, but none of them were on TV.

Yeah. But the thing is, like, I knew that the people that were on TV, then they could go anywhere. Once you were on TV, then you could go to Kansas. You could go to Miami. You can go anywhere. But if you weren't on TV, man, nobody was going to come pay to see. It was of risk. You know, you're out with your wife.

You got a date night. Like, take a chance on this motherfucker. I don't know. Look at his face. His stupid fucking dreadlocks. Whoa, whoa. I was on TV fan. It's weird, though, right?

Like, nobody knew. Nobody... I feel like we knew, though. Like, inside, like, we had some type of blueprint because we'd seen, like, successful comics. Yes. But to go from, like... And I came here, moved to America last 17 from Jamaica.

So when I started watching TV, I didn't know anybody on TV. Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? What was that like? Anybody on TV. So, like, do you remember the first shows you saw? Uh, first shows, well, we have American shows on TV in Jamaica. We had one channel back then.

Uh-huh. Was it one or we had one? And then, uh, so when I came here, I watched S&L because Eddie Murphy was on that shit. So that was, uh, a requirement. I was always watching that. Now I finally can figure out how old you are. Mm-hmm. Because you're lying motherfucker.

You won't tell anybody how old you are. I don't lie. I just don't tell. There's two different things. There's two different things. I might run past the question. I tricked you with that Eddie Murphy line. He was only on for two seasons.

I got you. That's hilarious. Yeah, but I was five years old. Not just kidding. Was Eddie Murphy on for two seasons or one season? I think he was off for two seasons, if I'm guessing. Doesn't say? Oh, more.

Was he really? Oh, you got a little room for error I got a little room for error Always got a little room for error Come on, man So that's three years Yeah So you did the 84

Oh, you did the 81 and 84? Yeah, 81, 881, 82 and 83 So four seasons So he put in his time Mm-hmm There's like, you know, I was saying about Cam Patterson Getting on SNL now

Right He might be the first guy in a long time To become a movie star From that Yeah Because they kind of went away. Kind of went away. You know, the Mike Myers days and Phil Hartman and obviously Adam Sandler and like everybody

became a movie star from David Spade. They became movie stars. But then that kind of stopped, you know? And they kind of did it to themselves with all that woke bullshit. Like they kind of like they killed comedy movies. Or they just pick somebody funny. Like there's people they overlook all the time that we know are funny. Yeah.

That could be on that show. So it's good that they picked. I'm going to say some positive derogatory shit about cam. That's number one. Let me just. Fuck Cam, number one. Fuck Cam. I remember the first time I saw Cam.

And I saw Cam. We were at, what's, what's the, that room on six? The Vulcan? The Vulcan. Yeah. So I think I just did your room. Then I went to the Vulcan. and then they don't

and what's his name like you're next and then Cam was to the side so then I knew he was next it was like the unknown show so then I bring him up

and I watch him and then I had a tag for him and I said I'm going to give you this tag after he got up stage I'm going to give you this tag but it's only going to make you better than me and you're going to get picked up

an advance I could just tell I was angry and I loved them at the same time you know what I'm saying You just, when somebody just got it, and they got, fuck, this guy. They got it. Yeah. You got to celebrate it.

You got to celebrate it because we got into this as fans. You got into this fans. And if someone's funnier than you, you got to go, God damn, he's funny. It'll inspire you to work. Yeah. And you can be funnier than you are, but you can only be so funny. Yeah, but this is how crazy it got. So then two months later, I'm in L.A., I see him at the store.

And I said, what's up, man? you in time, blah, blah, blah, blah. I say, yeah, I'm here with my manager. It's my manager. Your manager's managing him. Oh, my God. I was like, I knew it. I knew it.

Meanwhile, your manager's been ducking your balls. Sorry, I'm on a jet with Cam. I'm on a jet with Cam. Call you soon. Yeah. All's great. and her husband who are shot dead in their home, authorities now think her killer found her home address

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Yeah, and he works hard. He works hard. He's always working. He's always on stage. He does that one minute, one new minute of Kill Tony every week. That's hard to do. That's hard to do. It's very hard to do.

Like, you have to sit down and work on shit. You have to. I mean, the guys who excel at it, like Ari Maddie, Hans Kim, him, those guys, like, they fucking work hard. Yeah. You know, and a bunch of people did it for years and years and years. Like William Montgomery is probably, he's been, I think he's the longest running guy ever. Right.

But he's such a maniac. He could get a minute out of anything. Right. You know, he can get a minute out of coffee, like going and getting some coffee. It's like a big part of what his comedy is is just his personality, which is great. You know, because he's kind of a character. He's such a freak that when he's on stage, kind of anything is funny. Yeah, like, you know, it makes me mad.

Like, when you say that, I finally just see what Will is because it's obvious to see what Cat Williams is. Like, and it's a part of him and it's his voice. And it's like I call it a comedy cheat Because I don't have it Right right right But like they're gonna talk It's gonna be funny Funny. Then if they add some writing to it

Then you don't stand a chance Joey Diaz is the ultimate Yeah there you go Joey Diaz the ultimate version of that That motherfucker is funny The moment he grabs the mark You're like come on God gave him that Just looking at him

Everything about him Everything about him He's just walking comedy Yeah And he's fearless Yeah and he's fearless And so he looks like that And he talks like that

And he gets on the stage You're like oh it's over It's all right It's like It's a force. Yeah. It's like if you give your mind up to him, like to think for me. Let me take me on a journey.

Take me on a journey and think for me. Theo's got that a little bit too. Yeah. And we saw Theo develop that. Yeah. Like through the years. And then he just started like. He just hit one time.

Drifting off and just getting to that place where you're just constantly just saying shit. And it kind of makes sense even if it doesn't. Right. And it resonates like... Brody. Brody. Another good example. Brody was just funny.

He would 818 till I die. He'll die and laughing. No one even knows why they're laughing when they're laughing at that. He's talking about the area code for the valley outside of L.A. It's this like celebration of mediocrity in second place. Alarious. And was it recita? Yeah.

Of all places. He was the best at that. He was so infectious. Yeah. Like his comedy was infect, it would infect you. And you'd be in the parking lot, like, repeating his lines. It was so fun. Yeah.

I would play this game with Brody where I'd just treat him like an open micah. And he would just play along. I said, keep going up, kid, man. You're going to get better. You're going to get better spots. Don't worry about it. He's like, thank you, sir. and we just do it he just went with it

yeah when we were starting out like both of us were like when I met you were just past the open mic or just starting to work stage we're both kind of like in the same thing and that's such a weird stage because you kind of no one knows what's going to happen no one like there's a lot of dudes that we used to do comedy with back then that I thought were really good

and they just vanished yeah they vanished they went out and got regular jobs and they gave up And that's scary to me Because I never want that to happen to me Boy, when it does happen, it's never happy Yeah The guys that I know that do that They always get weirdly bitter

Weirdly bitter, like sinister They want you to fail They do not want you to make it Yeah, and I don't want that to happen to me. I had an incident with, I don't even know if I should say his name Because I feel bad You don't have to say his name So he was in all these months

movies like big movies you know he was never like a major star but he's in these movies tv shows he was that generation like maybe a one and a half generations before us and he's a regular at the store and the first time Tommy sent me to do La Jollaire I used to feature but then Tommy booked me to headline La Jolla and told and I don't know if this guy knew he was supposed to feature, but when he got to the club, like when I, first of all, I brought a date. So you're supposed to get the, you're staying in the condo and you're supposed to get the, the, the headliner bedroom.

Oh, shit was in there. You know, so I had to take the. You said his name. Ah, shit. But I didn't say his last name, though. I know what it is. Please bleep it out. Bling.

Let's call him bing bling. Bling. let's call him bling so bling shit was in the headliner bedroom and then when we went to the store that night

and he found out like the host was on or the comic that they booked before and then he walked out oh no he walked out he said

I'm headlining so then the guy that ran the store I think it was Ryan at town I don't know if he was there he was like just go up and we'll

pay you the headline and I was like fine I'll feature I don't care and you pay me the headline and then Barry went and came back in and went up all weekend that's how it was but it was like that that bitterness that and I that's so crazy and I feel yeah I feel bad but I like that's why I stay on stage I'm I am not going to let that happen to me you feel me yeah a lot of people slack off man they they just they lose their enthusiasm I think he had a lot of other problems, too, though, right? And he's also from the era where they don't write new material. And they do a lot of cocaine.

There was an era where those dudes cook their brains. Yeah. So, yeah, the things pass you by if you don't keep up. Or you have to let them pass you by. If you say, yeah, I'm good. I had a good time. It was a lot of fun. You can do that too.

Yeah. But the thing is, like, those guys that go and get regular jobs, maybe they're better off than the guy who's now middling for you. Right, right. You know what I mean? Because that guy has probably been phoning it in for a decade and a half. He might not have the juice left to, like, reignite what made him funny in the first place. Yeah.

That's when I feel like I'll just leave. I still got, like, a competitive spirit. I feel like I haven't gotten to where I want to. and I also like that space I was just talking about like we just stream of consciousness space like I'm kind of want to get to that where you could just like go on stage and watch the tape afterwards

I said that I did that right that oh that that works that just click I just want to have get to that you know where that comes from where massive stage time yeah massive month's stage time the guys who have the best timing and the best, like Davidel, perfect example. That dude's got so much stage time under his belt. So much stage time.

And so many different places. One of the things about Dave is he was doing that New York thing where you get in a cab and you go from one club to another club. So he's doing like five, six sets a night. At one point in time, I forget who the record had the record of the most sets in a night, but dudes were up to like 11, 12 sets a night. I don't even know how you manage it.

I did seven one time in a city. And I barely made any of them. And I'm like, I'm going to get fired. They're not going to book me again. I don't want to do it. That's too stressful. Well, I think the guys who can do it are guys like Louis that could just sort of show up and just do a set. And they just put them on any time she shows up.

Which bumps me, which meets me late for my five sets. Exactly. That's always what happens. But that's always why there's always in New York clubs. There's always a guy or two hanging around hoping somebody fucks up. And that happens to a lot of, I've got spots that way before. where guys didn't show up there's always that kind of a situation that's how i got in the cellar the first time oh really yeah that's funny i forgot his name something schaefer used to wear blazer

and used to bark for the boston you might have been in l.a. by then yeah louis shaffer i think okay and so then he used to get people into the boston oh he used to bark like in front of the what you're saying is like bringing people in off the street yeah and he was really good at you no but he was a comic too i thought you were saying bark on stage i was so confused No, no, no. I was like, oh, it's a barker. Don't expect me to complete most of my sentences. That's asking too much.

It's asking too much. So what were you saying about him? So he was at the cellar doing the same thing, and he already worked at the Boston around the corner. And then I was just going over to the cellar to hang, and he was like, somebody's missing. Do you want to go up? Oh.

And I was like, bet. And I went up, and then SD, he told SD, I don't know if they were recording back then but she just started giving me spots Oh, that's great Yeah That was the good thing about New York Was that there was a ton of spots

Right You could get in and you started getting spots And you started getting a name And people knew that you were an up-and-comic You can get, you know, you can get some work And then you can get work on the road too You could do Long Island There's a lot of gigs in Long Island

Yeah New Jersey, you could do Connecticut Everything's kind of close Everything's kind of close But here's the thing once I got in the city, I didn't want to go anywhere else. I just wanted to do the city spots of Carolines, the stand-up New York, the seller, the Boston, sometimes the strip once in a while, because then you could just hang out in one place afterwards

and kick it with everybody and just laugh. So then sometimes I'd have like a college that paid way more money, and I'd be like, fuck, I ain't going to be in the city. This is a terrible weekend. And no matter how the gig went You just like Sometimes it's just Do the upstate

Tri-State whatever gig it was And then just head back Just storm right back to the city And hanged the hang You missed the hang That was everything The hang was everything You remember Harris Pete

Yeah So I did the New Year's Eve At the improv And then I drove from the improv The improv on Melrose After the show To hang out of the comedy store Afterwards

And he goes That's the way to do it You get your check somewhere else and you come back home and it just like felt like that there like we were all hanging it was fun if i had a great gig somewhere on the weekend it was fun because i'd bring guys like you right joey or r e you know we were all together having a good time right so it's like the idea was like you got to bring at least a little bit of that out on the road with you yeah going on the road by yourself sucks yeah starting to make it sucks sucks because you can't afford to bring who you want

would you yet? You're just still trying to establish yourself and you're away from your comedy family. Yes. And so you're making a little money, but like the camaraderie and the hang.

It's the opposite of camaraderie. You might be doing combat comedy. Some dude might step on all of your premises if he's your middle act on purpose. A lot of dudes did that. It was different. It was like, oh, you're not my friend at all. You're trying to come up too.

Not just trying to come up, but trying to come up in a dark way. Right. You know, there was a lot of thieves back then. Guys would steal your bits and do them before you that were like your middle act that saw you on Thursday night and they'd do your bits on Friday. You got to pay attention.

You're like, what are you doing, man? Yeah, that's fucked up. Because they were in like some nowhere town and they never, they didn't have a real comedy community. And they just saw some guy coming in from Boston and New York and they just, I'm going to fuck him up. You know, it was, it's just comedy when you have a, group of people like it was in New York or like it was in Boston or in L.A. It's always so much

more fun. If you're starting out and you're in like Pittsburgh, like how big is the scene in Pittsburgh? Right. You know? I did love about New York, how brutally honest all the comics were to each other. Yeah. So even like Patrice, like he had just dropped a special, but then he just went on this thing of like, I forgot the type of material he was doing. But we confronted him about that shit. Like, hey man, that shit is hacky. And he was just doing it for a minute, just fucking around. Probably just trying to get some material about it, because he just dropped a special. Yeah, just trying. But he didn't get upset or nothing. And then we'd tell each other's shit. I remember

I had too many black and white jokes. And we did a gig out of town. And there's a bunch of black comics. We'd come back in the van. And they were killing me. you got you're talking about black people cook like this white people cook like this because they were like you got a lot of black and white jokes I was like no I don't and there's like yeah you do and they started naming him and I was like oh shit I do ever I never wanted to have black people there's white people that jokes you know the real problem is if you do short sets and then you got to piece it together and do a long set yeah I brought this one dude

on the road with me once and he had so many jokes about being a Mexican because he used to doing five-minute sets, but when he had to do 20, I'm like, bro, you can't keep saying that. You're saying it over and over and over again. One thing I love about being Mexican, and then there's another, one thing I love about being Mexican,

like, bro, like, we got to add some spice to this soup. This is crazy. This is one flavor. That's how weird comedy is. It's like there's levels to, like, first you got to get your first five minutes. Right. And you get your first five minutes,

you're feeling like, I can kill. I can go from beginning to end and kill. But then now you've got to get 10. And then you're going to start like you're watering down your solid five. You know what I mean? You're not getting that exhilaration that you work so hard for in a five. But then you get to 10.

And by the time you get to 15, you could like host somewhere on the road. And then you might go out of your state, two miles out of your state. and realize, oh, shit, these jokes were dependent on where I live. Yep. They do not work here. Yep. I went to, I had all these Jamaican jokes about being Jamaican because there's so many Jamaicans in New York.

And I went with some comics to do Temple. And it was in a big, it might have been where they play basketball. Like Terry Hodges were on the show, a bunch of strong black comics. and my opener was a Jamaican about a joke about being Jamaican and killed in New York, killed in New York and I did the first joke and people had been killing before me

then I went on I did the first joke more quiet than this in a stadium full of people oh no and then I start panicking on the inside which definitely showed on the outside. Yeah.

And then I was like, let me go for my middle joke, you know, which is my second strongest joke. That didn't work. I was like, I got to do 15 minutes. I'm on my closer by the third joke. Oh, no. That bombed. And it was bad.

But thank God they booed. I didn't have to struggle. So they booed. I was the only one that bombed that night. Wow. And I bombed because, like. like I said I moved there when I was 17

so I didn't have enough like American shit right to like the Jamaican shit about me growing up in Jamaica just started working

but there was a radius to that shit you know that shit were working Florida that shit were work in D.C. and that shit

would work in New York and maybe one of the places where there's a concentration of like Jamaicans or West Indian people and American people that grew up with them.

That's a rough feeling. How many people in that audience? I would say at least 2000. Yeah, and they booed. And these assholes like, we're going to the after party. You want to go?

Like, no. But I stayed in the hotel room and I had a great night. I watched Dumb and Duma for the first time and laugh my ass off. Well, shows like that are important. They suck a fat dick, but they teach you. Like, oh, I can't just rely on

like regional stuff. Yeah, then I realized, like, Like, oh, this, you're only going to kill in town. Now you've got to, like, figure out, like, universal truths of comedy. Well, that's why the real Gs travel all over the world, you know, the Jimmy Cars. That guy, he goes everywhere. Yeah. Like, there's something to that.

There's something to go in everywhere. Because I've done comedy in other places. I took Tony Hinchcliff once to Sweden. We did comedy in Stockholm. And he's like, dude, I think I'm bombing. Oh, no, they're laughing and then they stop laughing. It's just different. They're different in Europe.

They're laughing. Like, I listen to your set. He goes, I never got a flow going. I go, first of all, it's a big place. So you're probably not used to doing a place that's this big. And then on top of that, you're in Europe. Right. And they're, you know, their English is pretty good.

Yeah. But it's not perfect. So it probably takes a couple seconds for them to figure out, oh, very funny. Very funny Tony Hinchp. It's hilarious I mean What you told him is only true If you didn't get a flow going

Did you get a flow going? Yeah, I got a flow going But there was also They were there to see me And they didn't know He was going to be there And they probably didn't even know What a comedy club was

Right You know, these are all just people That came out to see me Because I was famous Right You know, this is like If you know Like this was probably

More than 10 years ago at least Mm-hmm But if you know comedy now though I think was a YouTube I think kind of like all you need now is to have a really good set and you could tour the whole

world like James McCann you know that dude from Australia very If I see him I might know who he's... Very funny very funny so funny that Shane Gillis worked with him in Australia and convinced him to move to America and then brought him to the mothership

curly hair glasses I've seen him here yeah very fucking funny and very smart and really nice guy like super super nice guy but he um he's one of those guys it's like he like if shane didn't find him right Shane found him in australia he was like ready to quit comedy oh shit that's crazy because like what am i doing i can't do anything over here it's like it's hard you have to be a part of these festivals and these festivals a lot of these festivals like every year the artists will write like a new hour you know and it'll be like about a subject yeah and that's another thing

They do those hours, and after the year, they don't record those hours. There's so many comics in Europe, England, Australia, because I've been to those festivals that do their hour and then retire it after the last big festival. And I said, did you record those? Because you could have, like, have a backlog of shit to, like, put online to catch people up with you, to create views and make them come see you. But they, yeah, they weren't doing that back then, but how do you retire something without at least having

like one big record of it Well they have a weird system Over there Like I was talking to McCann About what the festival system is like It's like the festivals Are kind of like the only thing

In comedy There's a few clubs Like there's a really good club in Melbourne What does that club call The Comics Lounge in Melbourne Is that the name of it? I worked there with Ari Maddie Crazy enough

And Hinchcliff and I did that like nine years ago I think so there's some comedy clubs I'm sure there's some in Sydney but did one in Sydney when you're traveling you're doing like these these these comedy tours right and so it's festival based stuff like there's a bunch of different festivals that people go to and when they go to festivals like that's one of the things about like Scotland when they do that edinburgh those guys the edinburgh fringe festival those guys they create a new hour every year yeah And you've got to come back and talk about trauma or talk about, you know, what it's like to be, whatever. Right, right.

Whatever stage of life they're in, whatever stage of politics they're in. And that's what people expect, which is interesting. Because it's not really American style stand-up the way you and I do it or the way, you know, it's traditionally done. They're doing like story-based stand-up. Which is, you know, it's great. It's not a knock on it. It's just a different thing. And if you try to do that in America, you probably get stand-up.

Steam rolled. Yeah, I've seen somewhere that they look kind of one man showy or one woman showy. Absolutely. So there's gaps of talking. And then there's a punchline, which is fine. Which is fine because like it's just a different thing. It's just a different thing. You're doing a different thing. Like when I'll say things that I don't believe at all. Just because it's funny. It's like, because it's a ridiculous thing to say. And also I want to get you thinking that I'm saying things that I don't believe at all. Like this is just for fun. Like this, the whole thing is supposed to be for fun. This idea that comedy is supposed to be, I mean, it can be anything, right? Right. It can be this, like, educational experience for taking people on a journey through your life and how you've come to this, to who you are right now. Like, okay.

Yay, at the end you celebrate, because you're non-binary, whatever the fuck it is, right? Like, or it can just be silly. Let's have fun. Right. Let's be silly. Let's say some stupid shit that you probably shouldn't say because it's fun. I need to do more. that, to, and I hold back from that.

Because you live in LA. Nah, it's just, I think it's just, it's just me, you know what I mean? Like, I see, like, I see you say some stuff. I see other people say some stuff. And I'm like, I'm like, I don't even wonder how I'm not like that, but it's making me think now. Just if I'm to get to this flow state that I want to get to, to the last dragon face, you know what I mean? when you're on stage and the glow is around you, like, I might have to, like, step on that plank a little bit.

You have to see what it feels like. You do. You do when we're hanging out. You talk bad shit when we're hanging out. That's true. You'll say some wild shit. You just take it down a notch when you get on stage. You just got to treat those people the same way you treat your best friends.

I don't trust people like that. I don't either, but that's why I take their phones. away. That's why they all have their phones in the yonder bag. But also the phones in the yonder back. It's hard for me, man. I get it. It's hard for me to not check my phone. I want to, like, see if anybody texts me. I get bored for three seconds. I'm like, what's in the news? Three seconds. It's, I get it. But sticking that phone in a bag is good for everybody. It's good for us because we get a chance to fuck around and we get a chance to come up with new stuff that, like,

there's a bunch of times you say something the first time. You're like, oh, that did not sound good. I got to figure out a softer way. to say the way I could feel people tighten up. I didn't mean it that way. It's just I'm trying to figure out the right way to say it. That's just the way it came out. It comes out bad. Patrice had a great line about that.

He's like, you've got to realize that a bad joke that offends everyone and a great joke both come from the same place. Right. It's I'm just trying to make you laugh. Right. It's not a devious person. It's going to sneak through some agenda to ruin. in your mind. No, you're just trying to make people laugh.

Right. But sometimes people think something's going to be funny and it's just not. Right. And you try it and you go, fuck and you can give up on it or you could figure out a way to make it work. Like there's been a, like Chris Rock had that

iconic bit. I love black people. I hate. So he takes that bit and he said it just bombed for like the longest time. It could not get it to work. He's like he knew there was something in there, but it was just bombing. Right. And I asked him how long. He said it

like a year. Oh, like a year. And then it became iconic. Yeah, yeah. He just figured it out. And sometimes there's bits like that. They're just like, you got to take the chance at offending people. You don't mean to offend them. Your season, your shot.

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There's always that. But there are bits where I'm like, all right, I'm going for it here. But there is like, I still have these rules about offending people. You don't want to offend them. Not that I don't want. Some people, some things that I think are ridiculous, I'm going to go for it. Right. But there cannot be a paper trail back to me where I have to apologize.

Right, right, right. So I'm like, I'm like a careful protagonist or a careful antagonist. Yeah. You know, like, I do want. to antagonize. I do want to say some shit, but I'd be like, I can't say it that way. So I don't know. Maybe I have to take more risk. I got to figure this out. Like, you know how we talk about these naturally, like we talk about Joey and we talk about cat and all these, and Cam. I feel like there's a gear left in me.

Ooh, right, yeah. That I'm having trouble accessing. Well, oh, that's interesting. And I don't want to be like them, but I feel like there's this freedom in my version of me. Right, right, right. Yeah. No, I know exactly what you're saying. I know exactly what you're saying.

And I know you can get there too. It's not like outside of your reach. Right. And I think it's numbers. I think that's a lot of it's intention, like putting your intention on that and really, really working hard on that. And then it's numbers. A lot of it is doing numbers. You know, one of the things I found, I was doing, at my club, I was doing three nights a week, two sets a night.

It was too much. It's like six hours of comedy. Right. But, but it's like a guy who's training for a fight. Like, you don't want, you can't train the way you're training for a fight all year round because your body will break down. So fighters, what they call peak. So they peak for a competition. and then they get into the last week

and the last week they coast so their body gets a chance to recover so they go into the fight they're basically almost killing themselves but in that almost killing themselves when you recover for that week you come out so strong and so

I think I was doing I was doing that for like I was good at that for about three months which is like a fight camp and then it was like my voice started going and I was like this is kind of crazy six hours of comment A week is a lot.

But there's a freedom that comes from doing that many sets. There's a freedom of like exploring thoughts. It was a lack of tension, which holds us back. And most things that people do that are difficult, one of the key things that holds them back is a tension. It's tension. It's fear. It's like you're tight. You don't feel loose and relaxed.

And you know you can feel loose and relaxed. So it's very frustrating. What is that? Where is that loose? thing. I know it's in there. I've got to find it. Yeah. I remember the first time I killed and

it's nothing now but at that moment, it's nothing now it's always something but when I've seen like Jerry Seinfeld at the same club kill for an hour on a weekend. Right, right, right. In his prime I was like, oh shit, I didn't really

kill. I just did okay. But the first time getting a great response. Getting a great response from beginning to end after like you're struggling, you're struggling, you barely got one joke that works. Yeah.

And then I went on that night and everything just hit. But not only they did just, everything just hit, I watched it. Like I, it was a real out of body experience. Like I was watching me. I was watching the audience, but I was on stage.

And then when I was done and the applause and the laughter I floated off and then it ended and then I was really addicted that's when I got because I got high on stage I'd never even done drugs then

but I said this is what drugs feels like and I'm addicted to that you got into the passenger ride so the passenger ride is when you almost feel like you're a passenger of your own act you're so in it and you're so like

you're so not getting in own way that you or you get you like the other party is like we got this let me take care of this right oh this is so much fun let me sit back and watch this dude work and you don't get in the way that other dude he gets in the way it's like if you're driving with someone and they're a backseat driver like does a guy coming on the right i fucking see him man relax shit i'm not i'm not on my blinker on yeah you know there's people like that and they make you tense yes right that guy is in your head that person who makes you tense when you're driving that fucking backseat driver that that is in your head right that fucks with you all the

time like you might think it doesn't fuck yeah it doesn't because I don't I don't even hear it or see it I just know he's there that something must be there yeah but if you can the backseat driver if you can control that then you're zen and you get to that zen place and you know you can get to that Zen place and you've done it a bunch of times right then it's the most frustrating when you can't get there. Yeah, because I did it that night without trying. Right. Like, I walked on stage just like that night, just like any other night.

So what was the difference with that night that I had this passenger ride? Were you recording back then? Nah. No. No. I got lucky that I met this guy, Mike Donovan, who was a big comic in Boston. He was a big headliner in Boston, very funny guy. And he recorded all the sets.

And he would bring like a fucking tape player back then. Yeah, you'd have to bring a whole fucking thing. you had a press and shit and he goes you never know he goes there's one thing you might say that is like the best thing

you've ever said and it comes off the top of your head and you'll forget it and it might be like the best part of a bit you might have like a new completely new tagline that comes in your head

in the moment and it kills and it becomes like the main punchline of the bit like you have to record those if you don't record those you'll never get those I record all my sets now yeah and then I do have those moments

when you're like I didn't even really remember saying that. This is the best thing I've said in months. Yeah, nobody wants to do that extra, extra work of sitting down and listening to yourself after you've already done stand. I'm like, ew, yuck. I know.

It's gross. It was tough for me to get myself to listen to myself. It's hard. Yeah. But, you know, this is like, I think one of the things that we're dealing with, and this is what we try to address at the club, is that there's never been like

a curriculum of how to do stand-up and there's one there's no one can really tell you how to do it because everybody has a totally different way of doing it but at least we can give you like an honest framework of how we did it and what we what we did wrong and why we think we did that why it comes out clunky and and then at the club the thing we try to do is just set it up where there's a bunch of spots. So there's two days of open mic nights. So you have two nights with open mic nights. And then you have the door people who are real comics who auditioned for the job with their act. So Adam has to watch their act and say, okay, you know, you've been doing this for X amount of years, you've got

real potential. And it's like you get a chance to watch Colin Quinn. You get a chance to watch Ian Edwards. You get a chance to watch Shane Gillis, all these great, you know, Jimmy Carr, all these great comedians are there all the time it's like the greatest education in stand up that you could ever and everyone's cool to you everyone's going to be friendly everyone's going to answer questions everyone's going to and and then you got kill tony which is the number one place where a comedian can break out in america today the number one place is kill tony yeah if you have one good fucking minute and you could just rock the house for one minute you could change the course of your whole life yeah yeah that gave me chills because i've seen that

I've seen that there on that show. Changes the course of your whole life forever and ever. You're at that stage where you've been doing comedy five, six years. You don't know if you could, you know, you're living in Seattle. The scene's not that good. And you say, fuck it, I'm going to go to Austin. You scratch up some fucking money you made as a waiter. You get in your car.

You drive all the way to Texas. You put in for one minute. You don't get up. You stay there. I'm going to stay on Monday. You come back next Monday. You don't get up. You're like, oh, my God, I'm running out of Texas.

money you start thinking i should get a job and then you you get that one minute and boom you fucking kill you fucking kill and then you go home you're like oh my god i'm doing it i'm doing it it's actually happening and then next thing you know you're a professional comedian you're torn all over the world it's pretty crazy it's pretty crazy because some people they'll just come to town for that one night or that one day they should if that's all they can do and do and then see if they can get up and if they don't get up it's a drag if you do get up if you just do mediocre that's not good that's not good either that's a soul crusher if you bomb on kill tony that's a soul crusher then you got to try to come back but yeah it's it's it's worth it bro dudes have gone on stage for the very first time

in their life in madison square garden to a sold-out show that's like the first time you lace up the gloves you fight Mike Tyson when he was 20 they deserve that they fucking deserve that you oh my god you said in the place where Mike Tyson yeah it's like fighting Mike Tyson who's 20 is the first time you ever lays up the gloves

you didn't take one practice and your first opponent is Mike Tyson and his prime Madison Square Garden after he just beat Trevor Burbick right right good look or even before he beat Trevor Burbank even better Madison Square Garden while Custom Auto was alive

Madison Square Garden sold out show Kill Tony You're on the bill Dice Clay is there Big J. O'Kerson David Tells there Shut the fuck up

Oh my God Why would you do that Because I feel like Some of those people are narcissists Well some people are just insane Right You know it's like you ever watch Street Fight videos

Like why are you fighting You don't know how to fight at all This is so crazy And they're starting it And then all of a sudden they're pwak Out cold People are crazy I know. I watched some of those backyard fights.

Yeah. Oh, I watch a lot of those. Yeah, yeah. Like, I forgot the one that I watch, but it's pretty popular. And they got like a cage, a fence around it. A fencing cage. And they try to make it official. Right. But I'm like, I'm watching this more than I watch UFC. Because it's raw. There's something about it. There's something. What is it about that?

That I won't watch Division II soccer. I'll watch Premier League. You feel me? Yes, I do. That's a good point. Like, do you watch the other professional below UFC league sometimes? You do? Yeah, I do. But, like, for me, I'm a soccer snob, so I want to watch.

There's too many of the best guys playing all week. I think soccer is a different thing, though. I think it's a more gradual acceleration of progress. And then there's a thing about fighting where there's a lot of prodigies out there. So there's, like, a lot of dudes that you just hear about. Like I'll hear about it through the grapevine like this guy trained with this guy and he tells me that and then he's fighting for LFA and this is like his debut fight and I watch like oh shit here we go. Because there's guys out there that you never even heard of that are in like one FC and the PFL, these other organizations that are world beaters. They're like elite elite fighters.

So you got I have to pay attention to as many organizations as possible because there's always a bunch of people like that come over a bunch of Russians, man. Damn, there's a lot of Russians. A lot of beast Russians. A lot of beast guys from Dagestan. The beast guys from all those fucking people from that part of the world are hard-ass people, dude. I want to ask you about this one guy. Now, I stumbled on, they said he's the best fighter in history. He was in the U.S. he lived.

So he started out when he was 19 in this thing where it's like a, it's like flat but kind of like a little slope like banked on the sides banked on the side you're talking about frank shamrock no but this was no a black guy okay and then he had a kid then became a cop and then maybe like when he was like 30 got back in and he did boy this is like translating an ancient language how do i not know who this guy is you don't know I can't remember about him. He was a friend to me. I know.

Tell me who he fought. You pulled up with your ship. And you just give me one fucking name. I'll tell you exactly who this is. I can't even give you one organization. But there's no way he was the best fighter of all time. But they. Hussein is the best fighter of all times.

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with a td small business banking account manager relation together but let me tell you something okay like so i've been i'm not an expert i've been to some fights uh with you and i've watched a little you this nigger was nice i'm sure like i remember I remember, like, the first time I saw Israel. Mm-hmm. And I saw his compilation and stuff before, and this is it before USC. Right. And then I said, hey, man, is this guy real?

And you were like, yes. So this guy. So Izzy's a perfect example. I had my eyes on Izzy for, like, years. Right. Because in the kickboxing world, he was fucking people up with style points. Yes. This guy, too.

Yeah. Okay. And do you don't remember his name is Mike? You think his name was Mike? Let's try Mike something junior. That's so like that. Glit through you. How long ago was this?

Was it a YouTube video you were watching? It was a YouTube video. How long ago? It was probably like six months ago. Shit! He's probably gone through 50,000 videos instead. Jamie can't even find. He's like, that's not enough information, sir.

You can put that in the chat, GPT. He was a cop. He was a cop. And he's married to like a female fighter now. But he was like, his style was like, you know, the type of. This is driving crazy. Stream of consciousness type of comedy. He would do the, you know, the thunder kick on the regular.

Okay, rolling thunder? Rolling thunder kick on the regular. That was just like standard. Like he, his feet were his hands. And his hands were like feet too. And he was just very explosive. And he did one time, a few times like two guys beat him because he did go to the USC for a little bit

towards the end of his career and they did fight some K-1 shit. He fought in everything. But... God, you drive me crazy. I know, man. I wish I had more info, bro. Because I want to know us.

If you tell me who this is, I could tell you everything about them. Right. But it's like, I'm trying to figure out through this puzzle. This is like high-rapilics. Are you getting this? I think just there's too many keywords

I'm trying to lock down. I'm trying to run this dude, Jamie's... Jamie brain Jamie usually is pretty psychic about this kind of shit and figure out who the fuck it is But your amount of information It's like I would think of you as a suspect now

If you're a witness I'm like the way this guy described the scene I don't like it I pulled the other detective aside I think we got our guy This guy's full of shit He's trying to throw us off the case I think he works for the other team

He's an agent I should have bookmarked this guy You should have bookmarked I should have bookmarked this guy because I was like, I need to know if this guy is really like this narrator is saying. But he fought in all the legit things. I'm almost thinking, like, are you sure that this was one real person and I didn't just put together a bunch of stuff? No. Did you get a hoodwink by some AI?

He was ballheaded. How about that? Oh, boy. Had a low flat top. How about that? I'm trying to figure out who this would be. Light skin black guy. God damn.

Lanky. How long ago? I guess that might be better. Yeah, what year are we talking about? I would say he might have ended his career like 2008, 2005-ish or something like. Because I was like, when I was watching it, I was like, oh, I got to start watching for his fights. But then it got to like, oh, this guy's retired now. And he was like, he retired like maybe like late 30s.

Listen, there's a lot of guys like that, unfortunately, that are really good, really good. And then you watch him like one or two fights. and you go, oh, my God, this guy might be the best in the world. It's just the game is so brutal. It's the most brutal sport ever. You're using your body to try to break another person's body. And the most effective way to do that is to separate them from their consciousness. Man.

You know, or take their legs out until they can't walk anymore. I remember one time we went to a fight. And then I said, Joe, why they, you know, they walk? to the ring together with their whole crew and then right before they get into the ring they hug everybody and it's like I'm like why are they hugging they're they're going to be right there outside of the octagon and they're going to be yelling instructions and they were in the locker room together but right before the person enters a ring it's almost like a goodbye because I might not exit this ring the same way I entered yes or at exit at all yes you know so that's that's what

fighting this to me is like that's how dangerous it is like when you're like yeah goodbye well it's the last thing you could do to support that person that you love that's about to go do that right it's real hard when you watch your friends it's real hard when you watch your friends get beat up damn yeah yeah yeah you know it was real hard me watching uh cormier when jones beat him up right that was hard the steep a one was hard you know especially the one with Steve, they killed him against the kid. It's just hard. Yeah.

Because you know them, you know them as human beings, you know, what that's kind of due to them. It's fucking devastating. It's like, it's like a loss. It's like you lost a family member or you lost a dog. Yeah, it's affecting you right now. Shit, just thinking about it. It's hard, man.

I start crying. Yeah. But, like, for me, the hardest one was Shab, because Shob didn't want to quit. And I was like, dude, the thing about Brendan that most people don't know is how many concussions he took outside of the fights. So you see the fights, but he used to spar with Shane Carwin, man. Shane Carwin was the interim heavyweight champion, the biggest fists ever registered in the UFC. He had like five XL fists.

Bro, he's so big, it was ridiculous. He looked like in the Avengers, like he would be like the Hulk. He doesn't look like a real human. Like all the other people were there, and then there's Shane Carlin. He was a freak. He was a freak. And Brennan Schaub and him used to spar all the time, and he would get knocked out all the time. That's crazy.

He would get concussions all the time, all the time. He got a concussion like days before he fought Ben Rothwell. He got a concussion days before he fought in Ogara. Like he was getting concussions all the time, like in the gym. Yeah, that's crazy. So I knew about all that shit, too, when I was seeing the effects. And I was like, you've got to get out now. If you don't get out now, there's no happy ending.

There's no happy ending to the guy who gets knocked out a lot. Right. It's terrible. I was watching a video the other day. That dude who fought Mike Tyson when he got out of jail. Remember when Mike Tyson looked like a bodybuilder almost? Right. Was it a white guy?

Yes. Yeah. Yes. And that dude, I found the video because I sent it to my friends. I was like, bro, brain damage is real, fellas. Oh, shit. Because it's just unfortunate But you watch a guy talk

And you go, oh, okay This is just how it goes Yeah, like Ferns Yep, all of them All the greats All the greats You know Sugar Ray seems to have kept it together Pretty good

Yeah, yeah But there's a lot of these guys I'm not gonna find it Is that? That's right, Peter McNeely Yeah This is the guy that fought And he fucking went after him man

He went after Tyson Which is crazy Like he pushed him away He's trying to get after him But bro Tyson And he's And he's got some movement. He headbutted him there.

But Tyson looked phenomenal back. Like physically phenomenal? Look how good he looked. He just took him apart. Just that knockout alone, how's the rest of your life going to be? Because he's not even... Did his corner jump in? Yeah, they said that's enough.

We know where this fucking story ends. That's a good corner right there. I was reading about Jerry Quarry yesterday. Jerry Quarry was the guy who fought Muhammad Ali when Muhammad Ali had just gotten his license back. So he took three years, he wouldn't fight in Vietnam, and they took away his championship, and they took away his license to box. He couldn't make a living for three years. And then he fought this dude, Jerry Quarry. And it looked like he had been on the couch.

Ali didn't look like Ali anymore. It didn't physically look like Ali, wasn't ripped. He didn't look fat. But it looked kind of like... It wasn't the physique of old Ali three years ago. It changed the way he fought, honestly. Like, look at him there. It looks good.

But still a little pudgy. But yeah, but not... In comparison. Right. So this was the first fight back. And Jerry Corr was like this just really tough Irish guy. Right. And him and his brother were like notorious for having like horrific gym fights.

He was a good fighter man. Real good fighter, but he died young and he had terrible CTE and dementia before he died. And so did his brother. And his brother only had a few professional fights. See, Corey had a bunch of pro fights and he fought guys. I believe he fought Frazier. He might have fought like Ken Norton. He felt like big-time heavyweight power punchers and legends.

Oh, that was a good left foot. Plus he's Irish. You didn't count the amount of bar fights he had. you know what I mean but the big thing man oh damn this is a beautiful combination you forget how good Ali was even in three years off dude he looks sweet but now I want to

I want to show you something different though because we're seeing this Ali first of all take care of those fucking those strings yeah hey referee tie that shit off tape that shit off and cut it um show me Ali versus Cleveland

big cat Williams this is my favorite fight to watch if anybody never saw Ali before. I said, you gotta see Ali before they made him retire. And then you got to realize we lost three years of

this Ali who was different than anybody who had ever boxed before. Anybody. So this is prime Ali. Look at the difference right away in the movement. Right? The one who fought Jerry Quarry was kind of standing in front of him more. You know, and he was boxing

them and looking good, but this Ali is like, good luck, hit, him. Good luck, dude. Look at this. This is awkward. Like, how do I stop this thing from moving so I can hit it? And this guy who he's fighting, Cleveland Big Cat Williams, was a killer. He had vicious power, man. Look at his build. Like, Cleveland was a dangerous puncher, dangerous puncher. You couldn't let him hit you. But good, because Ali wasn't going to let him get him. And bro, he tunes him up in this fight. And at the end of the fight, scooch along so he could see, like, because he cooks him.

Is this before he beat Liston? Yes, yes, quite a bit before he beat Liston. Because he beat – no, no, no, no, no. Excuse me. I was thinking of – I was not thinking of Liston. I was thinking of Foreman. He beat Liston to win the title. This is after that.

After that. So this was when he was already Ali. Because when he beat Listed, it was in black and white, too. Oh, yeah, yeah. So this was right before they made him retire. So this is like 1967, I think. So this is before the forced retirement. Yeah, look at that.

Oh, shit. He just walked out. Moving backwards, moving backwards with the one, two. And it's so pretty. There's no wind up, man. It's just people who don't think boxing is beautiful. You've got to watch Ali Cleveland Big Cat Williams. And you should watch a little bit of Big Cat Williams before that.

You see the slug fest that he was in where he was fucking people up. And you know how dangerous this was for Ali. But look at him. He's just, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Pink, Bing, Bing. It's beautiful, man. Yeah, Ali took him to his world. Took him to his world. He's like, this is a moving man.

sport. We're not just standing in front of each other and just have a slug fast. And this is the first guy in the heavyweight division to ever move like this. I mean, nobody moved like this back. Look at that combination. Woo! Then he stands over and with his hands up.

It's extra embarrassing with that hairstyle. You had your hair done, bro. Like you had to conching it, some women fixing it up and pressing it for the fight so you can go out afterwards. Bro.

Like, he never wore the suit that he bought to go with that hairstyle for the after party. Wait, did this keep going after that knockdown? Yeah? Yeah. Oh, shit. That's crazy.

Let that guy fight another round? Oh, my God. It was the end of the round. So he was saved by the bell. They used to have saved by the bell back then, too. I feel like, because of his reputation of how many punches he's taken in his life in his career before this, you have to. let this keep going.

Bro, he just did the shuffle on him. Oh. Now he's feeling it. Look at this. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. See, this is the Ali that we missed. God, the guy got back up again.

Cleave and Big Cat Williams was a stud. To get back up all these times from that. Damn. Look how good Ali looks, man. Oh, my goodness. I mean, he looks like a middleweight. It's like a middleweight fighting heavy weights. And you know what was unfair about Ali?

Because, you know, all the boxes back then had chins. So you feel like somebody with Ali's style would not have a chin. But he had just as good as chin as anybody else. And he wouldn't let you hit it. And then if you did catch him and get in a slug fest, you wouldn't knock him out. Because this motherfucker could take a hit. One guy almost knocked him out and they totally cheated to keep it from happening. This guy.

Fraser? No, no, no, no, this guy in England. God, what was his name? I can't believe. I can't remember his name right now. Because I was just where I was going to talk to you about Bob Foster. Henry Cooper, that's right. Thank you.

Henry Cooper had a killer left hook. Right. Killer left hook. And he caught Ali, back when he was Cassius Clay, right on the button. And his just, his legs went, his head rolled back and he slumped down like when he was done. So it was like at the bell. They get him in the corner. They cut his gloves to change gloves.

Like, watch this left hook. This guy, Henry Cooper, was tough as nails, man. And look at that left hook, man. It's nasty. Oh, shit. Damn. Bro. Ollie was fucked.

He was fucked. So this is at the bell, right? So they get him in the corner. They gave him smelling salts. They cut his gloves off and changed his gloves. to give him some breathing room. Did they cut the part out where they cut his gloves? I'm pretty sure that happened.

I think that was an Angelo Dundee trick. Angelo Dundee, man. What a guy. What a corner man. You might be the greatest quarterback of all time. Think about the one with Sugar A Leonard and Tommy Hurons. You're blowing it, kid. You ever seen him say that to him?

No, no. He says it and Sugar Ray runs out and stops him in the next round. Yeah. And that was a Hearns fight That was That was Sugaray versus who Hearns Hearns

Yeah I remember all those fights I remember the Hearns Haggla fight That second round Was like the greatest round? Was it the first round Was the war

Yep The first round Right out of the bat Yeah Okay No evidence Muhammad Ali Had his gloves Changed mid-fight

To get extra time to recover Rather it's an urban Legend from his fight With Henry Cooper in 1963 Ali's trainer Angelo Dundee did bring Ali's torn glove to the referee's attention but the controversy only extended

the round break by a few seconds and Ali went on to win the fight. Okay, so there was a torn glove but they didn't let him change the gloves. He showed a torn glove and it just happened to be torn right after the knockdown and this is an urban legend

respectfully. The myth is that he had intentionally cut the glove, respectfully. He probably did. Right. Because if the glove all of a sudden was torn right after a knockdown, how many other times in his career has he had a torn glove where the fighter was winning? Yeah. Zero times.

How do you tear your glove when you're getting hit? If he was in Henry Cooper's corner and he found that cut, do you think he would tell the referee? No. He wouldn't say a fucking thing. Right. Like, it's bullshit. Mm-hmm. But I get it.

He bought some time. Smart move. And one second in boxing is a huge difference. Wow. That face, when he busted him up. I think he stopped him by cuts, if I remember correctly. I used to watch all these old fights, but it's so long. I can't remember the full details.

Like, I knew who you were talking about before you could remember his name. Yeah, I forgot his name. Because I was thinking to Bob Foster, because I watched this whole piece on Bob Foster last night. People forgot about him. And who's Bob Foster again? He was the light heavyweight champion when Ali was the heavyweight champion. And I believe he tried. I know he fought Ali at least once.

He tried to go up to heavyweight. It just didn't carry over because he was a weird, weirdly shaped guy. Like, he was tall, but he was like, he was not muscular at all. What's he looked like? Here, give me a Bob Foster, K.O. highlights. I got on a whole rabbit hole the other night because I watched this one video about where they were talking about Bob Foster and about how deceptive his punching power was. And then I'm like, oh, my God, I forgot.

And then I went down a Bob Foster rabbit hole. And it's also the confidence in this video. He was talking about, take me one or two rounds, and I'm going to just knock him out. Is he the black guy or the white guy? The black guy. Bro, Foster had, look at this, bro. Bro.

This is like a mother beating a child. Bro, he's had tremendous power, man. Like the whip in his punches It's like very similar in a lot of ways to Tommy Hearns But he's a lot bigger You know he's a he's a 175 pounder But it's that whip to the punches that Foster had Like look at that turn like the amount of torque that he gets

When he throws these punches And Bob Foster he fucking flatlined a lot of dudes man He took a lot of dudes out of this dimension Boom look at that left hook Oh See the arms flail Yeah Like you know the arms let me

know your legs are going. Yeah, Foster fucked a lot of guys up. Oh, yeah, it's a movement, too. He did. He just wasn't quite big enough to beat Ali, you know? Ali was a solid, 35, 40 pounds heavier than him. That's just too much. Yeah, he's tall

enough but not. Oh, that's him versus Quarry at heavyweight? God, just show you how many guys Corey fought. Fuck. Yeah. These guys didn't stop until they died. No, no. Well, Corey died because of it much earlier. Like, That doesn't look like Quarry.

That's what it says? He's catching him with the left. Okay. Oh, shit. He just went to sleep. Foster versus Dick Tiger. This is a good one. Because he said about Dick Tiger,

like Dick Tiger was a champion at the time, I believe. And he said about Dick Tiger, it just taking him one or two rounds to hit him, and then I'm going to knock him out. Boom! He just, he had this power that was just undeniable, man. there's some dudes who just look at that the way he throws it like everybody who like is a young boxer learning learn from this guy like the whip this is unfair too the the reach oh oh the reach is ridiculous yeah

say that's all Mike Tyson's opponents who got flatlined I know but that's why I like Mike Tyson like wasn't even six feet tall it wasn't even six feet tall and he can get inside oh my god like a tornado yeah and sometimes he'd stay real down low yeah and you'll be thrown above his head and then he'd come up with it yeah yeah oh he he would have fun he was playing with his food back in those days you know he was he was having fun with guys he was having fun it was a different thing that we had never seen a heavyweight move like that before right so there was ali you never seen every way so agile so so fluid on his feet he looked like a better version of sugar ray robinson at heavyweight right if you can believe it right which is crazy

But also he wasn't fighting the caliber of fighters Well, I guess he was when he became a champ The second time around he definitely did When he got into like Joe Frazier and Foreman But I always wondered, man If he didn't miss those three years I don't know if any of those dudes could have touched him Right

If he kept that up like what he was Versus Cleveland Big Cat Williams And you add three more years Because I think Frazier became the champ After he retired I just don't I don't think they beat that version of Ali and we don't get the Jerry Corey version if this Ali's not sitting

on the couch for three years. But it also saved the brain damage for way later than it would have happened. Maybe it didn't because maybe he wasn't agile anymore so he took more brain damage. So he took more blows when he came back. He had to rely on his chin and he had a tremendous

chin. But it's just like I always as a person who sees guys in their prime because I think what year was Ali when they took his license away? How old was he? I want to say he was 27. And comes back at 30. He comes back at 30. Which is near quitting age. For a lot of fighters. It gets near there. It gets near quitting time. Three years is the thing is like he wasn't a guy that was like a Bernard Hopkins who just stayed in the gym,

kept running every day. He wasn't that guy. And he was always involved in a lot of political things because he was an activist. He was a very outspoken anti-war. He was a very outspoken anti-war. activist and they took away his livelihood because of it. Bernard Harkins had the most... What, Jamie? He was 25 when he retired, when they took his license away? He was born 42. That happened in 67.

And he came back at 28? Yeah, I guess. 67 refuses to be inducted into the Army. Immediately stripped of his title. I think Cleveland Big Cat Williams is the last fight that he has before they'd strip him of his title because they wanted him to fight in Vietnam, which is just crazy. four no so fight of the centuries so he comes out in 70 against quarry so it's almost four years right april 2867 to october three in months three in a few months okay three years in a few months

so 67 and from the time he fights cleveland big cat williams that was 66 so those those are primers you know but the big thing is not training during those years the layoff is crazy that's the big thing I know how I feel

after not doing stand up for one week yeah but you don't know what it's like to have your muscles deteriorate like your muscles will go away

right and your reflexes and everything all of it will go away all the twitching of everything it might take years to build it back

right and in his case he never really did he never built it back to the Cleveland big cat levels like he didn't come out

and just move around like that at 30. He just didn't. It was different. That was different. And it was a heavier ship to move around, too, because he was heavier. Yep. You get heavier. I mean, you're after 30. Also, you're going through training camps and you're not in shape in the beginning. Like, that's a different thing.

Like, I don't know how much time he had to prepare for Jerry Quarry, but I would imagine it's not more than a few months. So you could imagine you're saying, hey, Muhammad, we got to get ready. And he's like, I'll be ready. I was born ready. Why are you telling you get ready? He's joking around and shit. Come on, Mahbara, take the serious. Yeah, ready. I'm ready.

I'm ready right now. So I can put on those gloves. Because he would talk shit to people and you couldn't say anything to him. So if you're managing him, or if you were training him, like, good luck getting a word in. He's the greatest. He's the greatest. He'll have you training. I remember he was talking to Howard Cosell, and Howard Cosell said, you sound very truculent, champ.

He goes, whatever truckling it means if it's good, I'm that. I'm in. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah. And he said it would be. With zero hesitation. I remember one time he said, I'm so fast. I'll turn off the light and get in the bed before it gets dark.

Nobody had been like that. Nobody talked like that. Nobody moved like that. He was a totally different thing. He was stand-up comedy funny. Yep. He was stand-that, like when I watch his old videos, like normally you just watch a fight-a-fight. Yeah.

I could watch a Muhammad Ali talking compilation. Yes. That's how fucking entertaining this motherfucker was. Yeah, he was so entertaining. Yeah. He was so entertaining. And he, because of his refusal to fight in the Vietnam War, he represented a generation. Yeah, yeah.

He represented the young people that were like, yeah, this is fucked. Like, what are we doing? Yeah. You know, and people, a lot of people were mad at him, called him a traitor. But in the end, they all kind of realized, like, oh, he was right. He was right. History. They realized they were on the wrong side of history.

Yeah, because people don't know back then because the only war they had remembered before that. I mean, there was Korea, but really people remember World War II. Right. World War II, we had to fight the bad guys. We did our thing. We stood up for our country. And that's why we got the greatest country in the world right now. And if you're not going to do your part, man, fuck you.

Yeah, yeah. And then during the Vietnam War, it was like, oh, wait a minute. This might be a drug running operation. We might be, like, fighting in the jungle because someone wants to control drugs. Is that what Vietnam War was? A drug thing? I believe so. I believe there's a lot of factors, but I believe one of the major factors was control of the opium trade.

That is wild. Well, I mean, I want to say that about Afghanistan as well. Yeah. Because the production of heroin out of Afghanistan ramped up after we were there, and we were guarding the poppy fields. And it was for the opiate crisis that they put in the oxycott in here. Exactly. For the same. I mean, it's the same thing.

It's like it's all just heroin. it was at one point in time I think it was 90 something percent of the world's heroin supply was coming out of Afghanistan and that's why we were over there we were over there guarding those fields I say we not me

not you we weren't there but Americans were and Geraldo Rivera fucking went over there to visit them and talked to a guy this military guy who explained why they have to guard the poppy fields and what did the guy say

it's like basically saying you know we have to protect these people from Al-Qaeda. Like, okay, listen. Al-Qaeda, we started. Do you know how gas-lighty that is? Just think of how gas-lighty that is. We have to protect these kind and humble heroin growers. We have to protect them from these other people who are just terrorists who live here and we're here. We invaded this place to keep these people from stopping these people from selling heroin. And we're the good guys. Like, what? And especially the word al-Qaeda. when I watched, was it Rambo 3,

which was the Rambo in Afghanistan, and then you watched the credits, and thank you for the brave fighters of al-Qaeda. Is that really in there? It's in the credits, bro. Wow. It's in the credits because he, when Rambo 3 was him helping Afghanistan fight the Russians.

That's right. So then we were funding al-Qaeda. You ever seen the movie Charlie Wilson's War? No. You haven't seen Charlie Wilson's war? I haven't. Tom Hanks, and he was a, he's a congressman or a senator that figured out a way to funnel money. He knew Congress wasn't going to give, like, you know, like we vote to have a package to go to Israel.

So they weren't going to vote to give a package to, like, help us fight or give money and weapons to al-Qaeda to fight the Russians. during their war. So then he figured out a way how to get funding and circumvent it to al-Qaeda so that they could fight the Russians. Because it's all a part of the Cold War, right? Right, right, right.

And in Vietnam, Russia fought us, but through the Viet Cong. And in Afghanistan, we fought them back through the Al-Qaeda. And that's what's going on in Ukraine right now, too. So what's the deal with the Ukraine? Because I kind of know what's going on, but I'm kind of confused. Well, we fund it.

You know, we, along with other European countries, fund it. You know, and it's kind of the same thing. It's in similar ways. But this is what they really want control over is the resources. There's an extraordinary amount. It's soil, but the real thing is the amount of minerals, rare earth minerals. For the computer stuff and the phone stuff. Yeah. They're sitting on an enormous, enormous bounty of rare earth minerals.

They also have natural gas. So this was part of the real controversy with why Hunter Biden was running Burisma, which is a Ukrainian energy company. Like, why is he doing that? What is the deal there? Well, it's like what they were trying to do is control energy and control the market. market for that. And he had access through his dad to some, you know, go over there, got a nice cosy job. But there's enormous resources in that country. And the war is partly over that, right? Partly over we crossed NATO, NATO crossed the line that they weren't supposed to cross.

We're not supposed to arm them and have them nuclear weapons right next to Russia. Exactly. Right. It's not we, obviously, but we are. part of NATO. And NATO promised at the end of the Soviet Union that they wouldn't move the arms closer to Russia and they just kept doing it. And you know, the idea is that if they wouldn't do that, Putin would probably take over everything. He'd go through Poland, like, you need NATO.

So I see both arguments. Yeah, yeah. I do. And obviously the person who invaded a country is the- The bad guy. Yeah, it's the bad guy. That's the bad guy. He went into a country and hundreds of thousands of people are dead now because of it.

Right. But you don't know what the real motivations of war are until, like, the fog of war settles and the dust settles and the war's over. And then 10 years later, somebody writes a book. And you go, oh, God, it was that? Right. Like, you guys just wanted money. You guys just wanted to control oil. You guys just wanted to make sure they stayed on the U.S. dollar.

You guys just wanted to do that. Like, you were pretending that there was this. Noble cause. The Vietnam War is the perfect example. The Gulf of Tonkin incident. With that boat? Yeah, they made up an attack. Right.

And then everybody's like, oh, my God, they attacked us. They fucked around, and now they're going to find out. We're going to send our boys. And how many hundreds of thousands of people died and how many hundreds of thousands more lives were ruined forever? How many guys came back just with the horrific memories that they could never shake out of their head? They wake up in the middle of the night screaming.

Yeah. They see people die. They see their friends die. They maybe have to kill people. Yeah. Yeah. Trauma. Trauma.

And then Muhammad Ali said, fuck you. Yeah. And everybody was like, oh, my God, he is, he's a traitor. Right. You are not supporting America. And like half the country, just like, you know, anybody today, like half the country's mad at you and half the country loves you. Right. And after a while, became the whole country loved him.

The hell realized he was right. Is there ever going to be a point where there will be one person that, the whole country loves. Jesus. Like, it felt like it was like that back in the day. Yeah, there were people like that. There were some people like that. But now.

That was before social media. Yeah. Because even people like that back in the day where the whole country loved on television and in the newspapers. In real life, there was always some guy at the gas station talking shit about that guy. You know, there was always someone at the gym

talking shit about that guy. Right, right. People always talk shit. They just didn't have a public forum. But if somebody talks, shit about that guy, you know, to people he's talking that shit too, they'd be like, the fuck is wrong with you. Right.

This is a great guy. Right. That's Larry Bird, son of a bitch. Yeah. How dare you? How dare you? Yeah. Just because he beat you in high school, let it go.

They're like encouraging it. Right. You know, they want it. They want more of it. Yeah. Fucking weird, man. It's social media. You know, it's given the voices to people that maybe really didn't earn a voice.

Not that it's bad. I don't think it's bad. I don't think it's bad. I don't think it's bad either. I think it's good. I think even, yeah, even the chaos of that, these people that shouldn't get all that attention, getting attention, it's, like, bad for them. It's bad for everybody.

But it's better net. Like, if you look at, like, the overall amount of good it does, it's way better than it is bad. But it's just a new thing that everybody has to deal with. And one of the things is the impulse to be a cunt. Right. But also, like, just as a black person growing up, and watching the news, right? It always felt slanted and against us anyway.

And then either Neil Brennan said this or Chris Rock said this to Neil Brennan. Like a lot of white people are finding out now that shit that black people always knew. You know, about like not trusting the cops all the time or the FBI all the time or... Pharmaceutical drug companies. Pharmaceutical drug companies all the time.

Yeah, they will drop a shipment of drugs off and guns off in your neighborhood and fuck it up and ruin it. On purpose. Yeah. Because shit, they garden poppy fields on another continent where you think that shit is going to go.

You know, I've had that dude Freeway Ricky Ross on a bunch of times. A bunch of times, right? And he didn't even know who he was selling Coke for. He was selling Coke for the United States government and had no idea. They were letting him. And he was doing it for the Iran-Contra.

Uh-huh. Yeah. It was the country. It was, yeah, Iran. Contra, but it was, they were funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. He didn't even know how. I don't know which side we were funding, but we were funding one of them. Yeah, the anti-communist side, we were funded.

Hilarious. The guerrillas who were fighting against the communist government, maybe? There is a bunch of those dudes that are just playing war games. They're playing war games, and they get to do it back in the 80s, back then, they got to do it without any oversight. Right. They just played war games, and they lied. And then, you know, you get...

They're like, just tell them this. Yeah, I remember Jimmy Tingle, it's a very funny Boston comedian. He had a joke about Ronald Reagan because they brought Ronald Reagan into trial. And they said, did you ever sell arms to Iran? He's like, I don't recall. And he goes, Mr. President, he goes, next time you sell arms to people who hate us, jot it down. He goes, make a note. Put it on the refrigerator.

It's hilarious. But that's where, you know, Reagan literally was falling apart at that time, though. People didn't believe it. They're like, come on, he can't remember. But and then it got to. You don't think that was just his defense? I do think it was his defense. Then you're not perjuring yourself.

CIA, I was the Contras, okay. The CIA recruited, funded, and trained the Contras, which included remnants of Somoza's National Guard. I think he was playing it off. But then I don't know because he did get dementia. He did get dementia. He got Alzheimer's real bad. At the end of his life, he couldn't remember shit. But I feel like he got the Alzheimer's like 20 years later.

I could be wrong. I don't remember years no more. I don't remember either, honestly. I feel it was. I feel like towards the end, though, his cognitive function was declining. Definitely. But, like, that's how it goes with guys in their 70s, especially if they don't take vitamins. Right.

And if you're Reagan, do you want to remember everything that you did? Definitely not. Yeah, definitely not. Alzheimer's is almost like a blessing. Yeah, all those guys. Like George W., like you don't want to remember nothing. Yeah. You don't want to remember the Iraq war.

We tricked people into going to Iraq because we got attacked on 9-11 by someone who was funded by the Saudis. Like, what? What are we in Iraq? Shut up. Yeah, I feel. Just went over there. I feel angry every time I think about that one because I was duped. Like, I wanted war.

I was like, we got to go. They got weapons of mass destruction. We got to go stop them. And like, their thing that they ran on the news worked on me. And, like, I never questioned it. Yeah, I didn't question it either initially. Yeah. But I did have a bit about it.

Yeah. Where I was, like, the only way for people to find out how dumb people are. Like, the people that run the world, they don't know you. They don't get to hang out with you. They don't know exactly how dumb you are. They all went to Ivy League schools. the only way to find out how dumb people are is put a dumb guy in as president and then see if everybody freaks out and then you know the bit was like after he tricked people into going into Iraq and starting the war and then he got reelected I go that was crazy I go he won again he won again like the people that run the world like wow and then someone in the back of the room goes I think we can go dumber He was right. He was right. They went dumber. And we all felt duped by that one, you know. We all felt duped by a bunch of different ones. One was the financial collapse when the housing market collapsed and then the guy started getting bonuses. They have to get their bonuses. The CEOs have to get their bonuses. You're like, what? Wait a minute. You guys, your bank collapsed and you get a bonus? What do we do? And it's our money? So you're taking our money and you're helping our money and you're helping?

save these these banks and then the CEOs get bonuses because if we don't give them a bonus they'll leave and go somewhere else like what is this logic right the thing i don't understand about 2008 is where did the money go exactly where so listen so these bunch of people had the money right then they lost it but when they lost it it didn't get burned somebody else got the money exactly so then why was everybody broke like because somebody else got rich somebody else got rich but what were they doing with the money? Don't they do? Why did nobody have money?

See, this is where you and I are regular people and we're not financially minded at all. Not at all. Right? So we're not the kind of devious market people that would see an opportunity and take advantage of it, right? So what was the biggest transfer of wealth

in modern history? Don't they say that's kind of happening now? COVID. COVID. Oh, okay. COVID. Biggest transfer of wealth ever. Elaborate on that for me.

So what happened was all these mom and pop places got shuttered, right? You can't go there. You don't have a, it's, we're in a pandemic. Okay, you can only go to Target during the pandemic. You can only go to McDonald's during a pandemic. You can only go to Wendy's during a pandemic. You can't go there. It's a pandemic.

You can't have your comedy club open. It's a pandemic. You can't have this, these restaurants? Are you kidding me? That's dangerous. Outdoor dining. What about the optics? Shut it down.

And so where's all that money go? Well, that money goes to all the other businesses that can stay open. The major chains. Walmart, Target, all these things flourish. The stocks change. 70% plus of all L.A. restaurants went under. People lost millions of dollars. Where did that money go?

It got legally siphoned into other people's businesses that were allowed to stay open. Right. And also with the stimulus, like a lot of big companies got huge stimulus checks. Like we got some dollars here and there, but they got. They got a lot of dollars. There's been a bunch of those transfers of wealth where you only look, if you have to look at it like a psychopath, like a complete sociopath who really understands how the system works, and if they'll explain it to you, you go, oh, so that's what they did? Yeah, that's what they did. They told you you how to stay home.

They told you how to do this, and why did they extend it for so long to crush the economy? Because it didn't crush the economy for them. Right. It boosted their, the more they could keep you from spending money at those places, the more you had to spend money at Amazon, at this, at that, and anything that's open. They closed the market down. So let me ask you a question. Like, how much, and I had this question in my head 20 years ago, because I noticed a lot of greed.

Right. And I was like, 20 years ago, I was like, how much people more? money do the people that got money want? And then now I still have that same question because I feel like those people should have had enough 20 years ago when I asked to be like, all right, let me just chill. It's probably a different set of people who are like they were 20 years ago. But like how much money do people want? And if you get all the money and nobody has anything, do you really have money? Because how are you going to get more money from people that don't have no money? Because you took it Well, no one's going to get that rich.

That's a funny way of looking at it. But there's different kinds of people that make money, right? There's kinds of people that make money because they make a lot of things. That's like Elon Musk. That's his money. And then there's kinds of people that make money that are only trying to make money. That's all they're trying to do. They're trying to do deals.

They're trying to do this. They're trying to do that. But the whole idea is just to make money. Elon's thing is to make things. Right. Like he's there to make Starlink, he's there to give internet access to people all over the world, he's there to make electric cars, he's there to make electric roofs, he's there to make spaceships that can go up and rescue people and bring them back down and land. He's making things, and because of making things, he's the richest guy on Earth. Right.

By the way, publicly, that's different than the real world. Right. Like the real world, it might be Putin, it might be some king in the Middle East. Federal Reserves, who runs that? Yeah. Well, that's different, too, because it's not like individuals, but yeah, it's a good point. They could just print. But the actual one richest person in the world, in America, at least, the way we, Forbes 500 guy, is the guy who makes the most stuff.

It's Elon. Right. You know, and then you have the guys that are just trying to make money. That's a different kind of cat. So those guys who are just trying to make money, those are the weird ones, because they're just a number people. They're number people. And if they're thinking about numbers all the time, then they don't give a fuck about you. They're just trying to make more numbers and that you get more and most sociopathic as you go down that road.

Right. So my question is, is there an equation, right, to prove that our brains can't do it, but could somebody into money, is there an equation that they could come up with to prove that you could make more money from peace? than war. Yes, for sure. And why are we pushing this equation? Because it's the easiest way to do it. The easiest way to do it is war because you trick people into doing it

and you can control an entire country. And, you know, it's like you're not going to make the same amount. It's like there's groups of people that will make the most amount of money from war. For sure, military defense contractors. They make the most amount from a war. that is their business and you can't fault them

that's what they do you need them because you need them and they have a strong hole already they're not going to give up they're like a pit bull that wants to convince you to let it off the leash let me off the leash dad come my dad the fuck you see this

fucking German Shepherd talking shit bro this is over in five seconds every time we walk by here they barking they yapping let's shut this down their business is to make shit and not only just make shit make better shit all the time.

And I was thinking that the other day. I was like, if they're always making new jets, like, what do they do with the old jets? They kind of have to blow them up. They kind of have to, like, go launch some missiles. They have these extra missiles from, like, that they never kill anybody with. They're just sitting around. They're going to go bad. Stockpiles.

They're going to use them. Yeah, with expiration dates on it. That's their businessman. It's like that Nicholas Cage movie. Was a Nicholas Cage movie about a guy who sold arms? Lord of War. That's right. Oh, yeah, Lord of War.

If you're selling weapons, you want a war. You know, and those are the guys that are getting the giganto contracts. And then some guy comes in and he's like, I pledge to double defense spending and make America stronger than it's ever been. And those guys run to the stock market. Buy, buy, buy, buy, Raytheon, buy, Boeing. But we as people, why are we buying this? Because we know the deal. We do know the deal, but we're only learning the deal now.

Right. Right. Like, as a culture, I think it's only been like 10 years where people like, wait, what the fuck is going on? I think 10 years ago, most people think Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. Even I had my doubts. And I'm like the most gullible motherfucker in the world. You had your doubts? Good.

Yeah, yeah. I knew there was something up with the story a long time ago because I read a book. But if you're the average person 20 years ago, you're not going to buy any of these wacky conspiracy theories. You were the crazy person. People stopped talking to you. You got exiled from society. Exactly. Now, someone that you're close with sends you a video.

And you just watch this. And you're like, what? Yeah. Oh, my God. They killed Kennedy. Oh, my God. And you're watching, you're like, what? And some guy comes on a podcast, you're like, oh, my God, they frame Nixon.

What? Oh, my God. Did I ever tell you what Bill Murray said? No. Bill Murray came in here. And the same guy, Bob Woodward, who was a part of Woodward and Bernstein that took down Nixon, he wrote a book on John Belushi. And John Belushi, who was one of Bill Murray's best friends.

And so Bill said he read the first five pages, and he was like, oh, my God, they framed Nixon. Oh, what? So the book was so full of shit. It was so made up. Like, it was this made-up character of John Belushi, who he was with all the time. Right. Like, he didn't know John Belushi. John Belushi died of a drug overdose, so he fabricated this crazy, wild thing and called it wired.

And he said he read five pages of it. He's like, oh, my God, they framed Nixon. Damn. Isn't that crazy? One of the most disgraced presidents of all time frame. So was he a good guy? Because he got rid of the gold standard. He was not a good guy.

Listen, this is not a binary thing. Nixon was not a good guy. Nixon also passed that sweeping psychedelics act that made everything illegal. And he did that specifically to target the anti-war movement and the civil rights movement, specifically. They wanted to take those people who were involved in the anti-war movement and the civil rights movement, they want to put him in jail. And the best way to do it, they were all smoking grass. They were all eating mushrooms. They were all doing LSD.

Just make all that stuff super illegal and then bust them. And that's what they did. And they changed the entire direction of the culture. Like what Nixon did was catastrophic to human civilization. Because who knows where we would be as a culture if psychedelics were legal this entire time from 1974. So should we thank Bob Wood? No.

Because we don't know the bad shit. That he did. Bob Woodward was an intelligence agency guy. He was a naval intelligence officer. And his first project as a reporter was Watergate. That's crazy. Why would they give that to a guy where it's his first project? His first major story is the biggest story in the history of the world.

And he just happens to be a naval intelligence agent. What? There's like senior reporters. There's these people that are like beating the street. They're out there every day. Yeah, they must be pissed. And the guys who broke into Watergate, they were all FBI. So here's the thing.

Nixon didn't have knowledge of it, but then they brought it to Nixon and he covered it up. And then they're like, gotcha. And that's how they got rid of him. And they also got rid of Spiro Agnew, who was his vice president. They got him on corruption charges. They kicked him out. Put in Gerald Ford. Gerald Ford was in the Warren Commission.

Oh. And then one of the things about Nixon is Nixon couldn't shut the fuck up about knowing who killed Kennedy and trying to get to the bottom of it. Why did Nixon want to get to the bottom of who killed? Because he was worried they were going to kill him. Because he knew Bobby Kennedy because he lost to Kennedy. He lost to Kennedy. So I figured he didn't like him. John Kennedy, excuse me.

He lost JFK in a previous election. Right. And, you know, he knew that guy. Like, and he knew who killed him. And he started talking about it. it and the problem talking about it is they're like get rid of them i never know you know he was like he won at the time it was the he was the most popular president of all time like he won with the most amount of votes of anybody ever now we look at him like a crook right he was a and by the way

probably was at the very least he did cover up that crime he didn't say what they did what don't know i'm gonna we're gonna make a press conference and we're gonna fucking find who did it and we're gonna come clean instead he tried to cover it up But to me, like, when I think about Watergate, from what I remember of it, was it really that big of a deal? Like, it's so sensationalized. Right. What was the real crime? Like, what was the, somebody broken somewhere?

And they installed recording equipment so they could listen in on people. And who were they listening in on the Democratic Party? So the Republicans are listening to the Democrats as they're getting ready to campaign against them. It's kind of illegal. It's definitely illegal. But it's not that big of a deal because they're doing that to you right now. Right. Like, if you have your phone and you know and you're, you know me, if you know me, your phone is bugged.

Right. Like just, like, just good luck. All those dickpicks you sent out, those are all on the ether, son. And, you know, that is something that we had to find out from Edward Snowden, okay? You know, when that was exposed, and we learned like, oh, God, there's a mass surveillance program that's secret that's been around forever. and the NSA's been running it like all that what Nixon was doing was just a version of that or not even Nixon doing but what his what the the crime was was a version of that listening in on your opponents they probably all listen to each other now right they probably all hack into each other's

email they probably hire hackers to hack at each other's phones and hacking each other's emails and shit you know they do that man it's just it's a dirty game I mean they've turned that dirty political game into like life like you said if I know you yeah my phone is hacked or just the is it the NSA or is who knows there's probably organizations that are new that we don't even know of right you know like too many people know about the CIA let's branch out yeah let's come up with something new yeah and you need intelligence agencies because the world is a dirty dark place fill with monsters and a lot of them we put there but they're still monsters and like look I'm sorry I'm sorry we monsters but we have to fucking have a wall and arm the turrets Trump executive order

quietly declared that NASA is now a spy agency what how not that yeah this happened a couple weeks ago what they spy from space I don't know what does it mean the executive order came out and there's just a redesignation I think of what NASA is officially what does that mean I don't know that's it could it could be nonsense or it could mean something important you know is this a legit like did they change the name of it no it's still called NASA as far as far as I know. Well, yeah, here. The order stipulates the agency will now have as a primary function, intelligence, counterintelligence, investigative or national security work. What? Why would they do that? The major departure for the agency was historically focused on space exploration as well as space and earth sciences over its 67 year lifespan. Not to mention that science and exploration stuff, NASA watch founder Keith Cowing, former scientist and agency at the agency.

agency now closely follows its internal and external politics wrote in a blog post. There are signs that Trump's intentions behind the order were at least partially related to labor concerns rather than spy craft. The order also added that NASA to the federal service labor management relations statute, excluding it from collective bargaining representation. Ooh, the news that NASA will now be a spy agency was seemingly overshadowed in the media by the president's elimination of union rights for thousands of federal employees mere days before Labor Day, despite multiple lawsuits challenging the change. I wonder if this is because of private space companies, because they're so far ahead.

Like, Blue Origin is far ahead of what NASA does. Tesla, SpaceX, is very far ahead of anything that they do. It's almost like you leave it in the hands of private companies. They could do a better job of space anyway. and then turn Nasa into this. No, I'm like, why are you doing that? The last thing we need is more spies. But I feel like when you turn something into a spy agency, it already was.

Right. And you're just like, let's just make it official. Right. They put satellites in overhead. Right. And when we watch movies and they're like looking at parts of other countries to try to track down the villain in the movie, like, they're using, they're giving away kind of what's really happening. Oh, for sure. So it is basically a spy, you know, organization.

Well, if they're launching spy satellites, they're a spy organization. Right. Right. If NASA's launching satellites, that's mostly what they're launching. They're not putting anybody on other planets anymore, allegedly. And they're not doing anything with the space shuttle anymore. So what are they doing? Why not be a spy agency?

You've got to stay open. Yeah, they can move around, boys. Can't be blockbuster forever. Yeah, exactly. I think they took them into a room. They said, listen, aliens are real. Spaceships we have are all bullshit. We have a couple years left.

So use it for something else. We're not going to travel to the moon anymore. Settle down. I mean, I'm just, even the alien shit, like, I believe in aliens. I don't really got a lot of proof, but the denial of it is my proof. Right. You know what I'm saying? The harsh denial.

Just like how we were talking about back in the day, if you didn't like the guy that everybody liked, they ostracized you. If you believed in aliens, they ostracized you. Oh, yeah. And everything from the, it's like when they used to teach us, you got to drink milk, strengthens your bones. Then you realize milk passed a certain amount of time.

If you keep drinking it, it's bad for you. Like, everything that was bad for you is good for you and everything that was good for you, we find out it's bad for you. Also, it comes around again because the real. The real milk that you're supposed to be drinking is raw milk. Right. The reason why milk is not so good for you, especially low fat milk, is because there's not,

your body's like, what is this? Right. Like you've boiled out all the enzymes and killed all the living organisms in it. It's just like this weird protein liquid that I'm drinking and it makes you fart and you feel weird. You drink real milk, like raw milk. I had raw milk the other day and I drank it. I was like, oh, this is what milk's supposed to taste like. This is so much better.

it's way better and it's illegal meanwhile oxycontin's legal glyphosate's legal there's all sorts of shit that's legal like round up

what the fuck is glyphosate oh round up that's spray on plants that gives people cancer not just people cancer like anybody close to a golf course there was some study about getting Alzheimer's disease

like that you can get Alzheimer's much more likely if you're within a mile or so of a golf course glyphosate was Monsanto before they sold the company to the German company, Bayer. Exactly.

So then... Maybe Monsanto bought Bayer? No, they saw that... Baer bought it. Of course. And... Don't you need a headache for your money? Fucking glyphosate poisoning?

Yeah. Now, I can't even remember to order the shit because of glyphosate poisoning. That's nuts. Isn't that nuts? It's wild. And they spray that shit on everything. Not only they spray that shit on everything, they make certain plants. They're genetically designed to be resistant to round up.

So you could spray more of it on the corn. and then the thing is they spray it on it at the end of the growing cycle to dry it out apparently that's like a lot of the glyphosate you get in your system is totally unnecessary they just do it to speed up the process but that's my thing it's like why like this shit is so are gross it's gross right like sometimes right the money they spend to lie right it's like you could have put that money into making this shit healthy and good Yeah, they can't though

The problem is corporations As an entity The way it's been established The way it's set up Corporations as an entity Always want to make more money Right And when you always want to make more money

You figure out a way to make more money And if you can bullshit your way Into making more money at the other people's expense That's what you do And then you justify it and you have lawyers And you fucking keep people in court And you drag it out And then you know

You accept a small percentage of the profits that you pay off people with because they got damaged by your product and you keep moving because you're a piece of shit and you don't care but all say you say you win say you make some money yeah but you spent some money you spent so much money like with the lawsuits uh-huh keeping people in court you made more money than you spent though don't worry but I feel like you made more money than you spent but the money you spent could have been spent to make a good, healthy product.

So you wouldn't even have... Depends on what you're talking about. Because, like, if you're saying the pharmaceutical drug companies, no. The way to make the kind of money that they like to make, you've got to do some shenanigans. You've got to... Some shenanigans.

You've got to do some shenanigans. You've got to mandate medications. And you've got to brainwash people into thinking that they should be on your side. And that if... And then get them scared and say that if we don't take this medication, it could be literally the end of civilization.

Like whatever it is. Like you come up with whatever fucking people are going to die. Your kids are going to die. Everyone's going to be born retarded. You just find a way to get people to believe and they'll just all climb on board. They'll all climb on board because a lot of people are cowards. And that's what happens in this world. And that's where it gets really weird because then they have an enormous amount of money

and an enormous amount of influence. And then they start paying for the ads on all the TV shows. Brought to you by Pfizer. And that makes it look legit. Cooper, exactly. That makes them look legit. It makes the TV show look legit. And you're watching publicly an

evil union. It's an evil union between the truth and money where money always wins and money will distort the truth. And they're allowed to do that. It's crazy because when I was growing up in New York, I got bamboozled

once for $100. Three card money? What was it? Nah. I was at the Roosevelt Field Mall and I was leaving and there was this dude and he was holding a brand new box with a VCR in it. And he's like trying to sell it. I was like, how much? And he's like, $100.

And I was like, hey man, could I see it first before I give you the $100? He's like, no, if I open, rip away the plastic and open this box and you don't buy it, then the next person who comes won't buy it because they won't. It won't be new. And I was like, this is a deal. Was it a brick? Brick. I gave him the $100. Got on the bus.

Didn't even have a car. Got on the bus. Drove home. Open the brick. Open. Paper, then brick. But that $100 saved me so much. Yes.

Because I always, like, I was just always on a swivel. looking out for like, where is the trick? And then sometimes I just wouldn't do something if I didn't even see the trick because I was like, there's something here. But then the Iraq war was like my version of the VCR like recently, like that shit. They got you.

They got me. Well, you were in New York though. You were in New York when September 11th happened, right? Yeah, I was in New York. Yeah, that's the thing. I saw it on TV from the West Coast. But the people that were there, I think it hit you a lot even harder.

Yeah. I mean, it has to have hit you way harder. If I felt it when I went back there, which was like a few months later, I felt it. Yeah. It felt different. Yeah, that shit, like, I was living in L.A., but I was visiting.

Oh. And I was so homesick for New York when I'd go back to New York back then. I'd stay a while, you know? And then the night before the trade center went down. You know, Wilson, Vince, he was living in Jersey City.

And I used to live in that apartment in Jersey City. So then he's like, I'm going to have some people over. So I took the train and took the World Trade Center, the train, the PATH train. And it's funny because back then when I was living here and going to New York, I was like, let me look around. Like, I missed this place. Let me, there's so much shit that I didn't pay attention to before.

And so I was in the World Trade Center the day before it went down, I'm like, like, damn, I didn't even notice how great this ceiling was and how much detail they put into shit. And I got on the train, went to Will's crib, and then I got a ride home that night. So next morning, my sister woke me up, and I'm like watching the first tower with a plane sticking out of it. Wow.

And then I was like, I was yesterday there. And then I'm watching, I was like, that ain't another plane. I was like, did it And then I almost hit under the bed How far where were you miles wise? I was in Long Island So 50

50, like an hour drive Yeah But I just like I was like, we're under attack And you're like, I don't know what these attacks are coming from And I don't normally feel like a coward But I was like

Something, where they're going to attack next? Yeah you know so it was just that type of a vibe but i'm worried that another one of those is coming and the danger of that is obviously people are going to die and obviously it could be horrific if something does happen if a terrorist attack does happen but the one thing it'll wake people up to like what the consequences of what we do overseas it means something here it's not just it's It's not just a video on your phone. It does.

People are dying and we are funding it and there's real evil in the world. Evil is a real thing. You could not believe in the devil and you could not believe in God, but evil actions are documented throughout history. And there's only one way to combat evil. You know, you have to have a strong force of good. but that good has to be really good it has to actually be good and if it's pretending to be good

and it's actually participating in evil and then you find out about it and you're like well what the fuck this is like in 1933 this guy Smedley Butler Major General Smedley Butler he wrote a book called War as a racket in 1933

Damn that's early 1933 That's pretty early And he broke down how he thought he was over here to protect people but he was really there to make, you know, make it safe for bankers or do whatever the fuck he had to do, control oil and control whatever minerals or gold or whatever the hell they were doing.

But he realized at the end of his career, war as a racket. Yeah. And this is 33, man. They tried to get him to overthrow the government. The American government? They tried to get, they tried to get him to participate in a military coup against the government. Who was in charge back then? That's like before.

the other day right jamie'll pull it up right um it was before our time so this is i think this happened prior to that so 32 maybe something like that some woodrow wilson's shit some old timey shit well they could just bro they just got away with things back then and now they have to hide it on layers and layers of special interest groups and NGOs and money being float around and it's just it's all bullshit and it's that bullshit is all over the news and everyone's confused and everyone thinks it's the good guys versus the bad guys and the more people get scared the more people start looking for white hats and black hats and confusion is the greatest weapon so here it is 33 the United States okay the business plot called the Wall Street Pooch was the White House

put how do is that push push you said right because it's a German word because they They had putches in Germany. So it was a conspiracy in 33 in the United States to overthrow the government of the president of Franklin D. Roosevelt and install Smedley Butler as dictator. A retired military corps, major general testified under oath that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans organization with him as its leader and use it as a coup d'etat to overthrow Roosevelt. So they almost overthrew Roosevelt. Imagine if he went along with that.

In 34, Butler testified under oath before the United States House of Representatives. special committee on un-American activities on these revelations, although no one was prosecuted, the congressional, no one was prosecuted, that's wild, typical, even back then they were full shit. That's 90 years ago. The congressional committee final report said there is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient.

Motherfuckers, these motherfuckers have been dirty from the jump. I mean, Dirty from day one. Yeah, dirty from day one. Smedley, God bless him with that face. I wouldn't trust him, but he was more trustworthy

than his face. He had cash pettel eyes. He probably did any glasses. They had shitty glasses back then. He had shitty glasses. He's like, he has those cashmattel eyes. Cash, like, do something to look more believable. When you're not telling the truth and you're doing that,

it's a problem. It's a problem. It's like Well, imagine that job Like you say, I'm going to uncover the truth And you get into office And they're like,

This is where your kid's sleep This is where your mom lives This is Yeah Yeah That's cold It's cold Like no

You realize how deep The web runs And how the web's gonna be there After you're gone You're gonna be here For four years You know Why this guy's the president

And as soon as he's out Once we take over again Yeah The promise of something better from either party because both of the main shit. Yep. Yeah.

And you can only switch parties once. Yeah. Oh, where? You can't go back and forth and back and forth. Nobody has. People have switched. They've gone from Democrat to Republican.

And I think have people gone from Republican to Democrat? I believe so. If you're a politician or just if you're like a regular citizen? Um, no, as a citizen, you can go back and forth all you want.

You can be a fucking complete schizophrenic and do it every month. Hilarious. I mean, I don't even blame someone who does that because... If you're a public person, though, like, and you switch sides, you can only switch sides once. If you're a politician. Yeah, but it's weird when people do, because they don't just switch sides with, like, who they vote for. They switch their whole ideology.

Right. And it's usually, like, what I see recently, it's from liberal to they get red-pilled, and then they become a conservative. But then they go all in and conservative. like all in they go hard they like they might even go to the point of why is why is gay marriage real you know they might get crazy right right and then um it's hard to take them seriously because now you made a 180 degree shift when you're in your 40s really right you changed everything you believe in I think you have to prove so hard to people that's been Republicans that you're a Republican that you go overboard you got to go hard you got to go hard it's like like I grew up in Long Island there's some hard pockets of hard quote all fucks is there, but they were trying to be Brooklyn. But they're not in Brooklyn. So they ain't going to get the respect of Brooklyn. You ain't going to get the respect to Bronx, you're Long Island.

So it's like, we got to while out down here. Right. Like, we got to go hard. And so you had a place like wine dance. Like, you don't want to go to wine dance. Wine dance? Yeah, wine dance. It just...

I've never even heard of it. Yeah, it was tough down there. Some rap, some good rappers came out of wine dance, too. Well, Wutank came out of Staten Island, which is crazy. Yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah, Staten Island was wild, too. Yeah, it's just like you don't think of Staten Island as being the birthplace of the greatest rap group of all time.

True. But they had the credit of being a borough. Like, Long Island was like Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx, Staten Island, having Long Island is like, what are you? Surbors. Yeah, you're the suburb. Suburbs. But they're like, no, no, we get down. We get down.

They got good pizza. They're like, shut up. It's not the same. You're non-borrow. It's true. It's different, right? People think it is different. Is it considered a borough officially? No, it's not. It's not. Not. Like, you grew up in Boston. Yep.

Like, were you in Boston, Boston? And if you were, what about the parts outside of Boston that felt left out of the notoriety? Right. Like, like, they weren't getting the street cred. They had zero street cred. Right. You know? Woburn. Woburn? Oh, that's hilarious. Wroar. Framingham. Outside of Boston, yeah.

But you want to be. Like, if they go somewhere, yeah. They say they're from Boston. They say they from Boston. 100%. Yeah. Yeah.

But the regular Boston people will get mad at you. They'll call you out. Yeah, you're from Uber. Yeah, exactly. The fuck are you talking about. New York is like that, too. Like, I'm from New York. What part?

Yes. Westchester. Shut up. Yeah, you're not going to pass the second part of the where you're from quiz. Exactly. And that's when they're going on. Unless you say right off the bat, you know, I'm from Queens. Right.

Oh, okay. Yeah. That's real. There's no second question once you say Queens. Yeah. I'm from the Bronx. Oh, okay. Yeah.

She's Jenny from the Bronx. Yeah. Yeah, it's always, you know what? If you're trying to lie, just name, like you said, name the part you're from, like, where you're from. But if you say New York, that's when shit is suspect. Sarasota. Sarasota, New York. I'm from Albany.

Yeah. Yeah. I used to think it was all one place. Hilarious. Living in Boston. didn't know. I was like, what is the difference in these boroughs? Like, oh, you want a 212 area code. You do? Like, why? Why do you care? I remember that was a big thing about L.A. Like, that was one of the things about Brody Stevens. 818 till I die. Like, you, when you lived in the valley, you had an 818 area code and people look down at you. Yeah. People would make jokes about it. I don't date people that aren't 310 or 213. Yeah. I mean, that's why Brody was funny. Because, you know, He stood on his. He stood on 8-1-8.

He stood on the Valley. He stood on the Valley. Nobody ran for the Valley. You do like I do. I say I'm from New York. I'm from L.A. He didn't say I'm from L.A. He said I'm from Raceda.

He named the town. Named the area code of his phone number and, like, stood on that shit. For sure. Dude, I never even tried to live in L.A. The moment I moved there, I was like, ah, uh, I'm not doing this. I've got to get outside of this thing. I got to get outside of this thing and then go visit. I don't want to live in that thing.

Because I had friends that lived, like, in West Hollywood. Like, my friend Eddie lived, like, in West Hollywood, like, right in the heat of everything. And I was like, damn, dude, he goes, I like being, like, right where everything is. I'm like, yeah, but this is also right where everything is. Like, how do you sleep? That's, it felt like that's what you, you moved to Hollywood to be in Hollywood to become a part. That was the thinking. Yeah.

So even, like, I've known you. Even you saying you never lived there, that's a shock to me. Yeah, my thinking was the opposite. My thing was like, I got to get outside of this thing. Damn. I found out, I lived in Bell Canyon for a while. And one of the things. Where the hell is that?

30 miles outside L.A. That's where I lived most of the time I was in L.A. Get the fuck. Yeah. Yeah, I bought a house out there in 97. What? Yeah. Like, when I first started making money, I'm like, I got to get away from all these people.

I wanted to be in, like, wilderness. First of all, I have dogs. I needed a backyard. So I lived in Ancino for a little while. I rented a house in Encino, but that was too close to. Encino was still too close. And that's far. Yeah, I was like, I got to get outside.

I got to get away. I got to get out. I wanted to go to 1,000 Oaks. I wanted to go way out. I wanted to go where regular people live. Where you could just fucking take a breath. Like, I never liked, like, the parties, Hollywood parties. I was like, uh-uh.

Every time I would go, I feel like, just it just felt like, I wanted to run out of there. Like, get me out of here. Like, this is, no one's relaxed. Everyone's, this is fake and weird. Uh-huh. I was like, I need, I'd have to live outside of this thing and then go visit it. Go visit.

Yeah. I was in it. I lived in Hollywood, but it was in the cut. It was like, Ivar, if you go, Ivar, you're at the bottom of the hills. Uh-huh. And it's quiet. It's pretty, and then you come out. Right.

But it was, so I was like. like oh I like this but on the flats like just like in Hollywood Hollywood like I get what you're saying but I did feel like I needed to be near it yeah no I get the I get the wanting to be near it and I thought about it for a while but I just know me like I need downtime right I go hard and when I go hard I need like off time I need like completely off sit down, relax, and think about shit. Right. Because I need to know what I think.

And the only way I know what I think is if there's not a lot of noise going on. I can't just operate on momentum. Right. I feel like when you operate on momentum all the time, you make shit decisions. Right. You know, you start, like, going down roads.

You shouldn't be going down. You're like, what am I doing? What the fuck am I doing with my life? So did you plot your life out a lot? No. In a sense? No, I'm just like, I just like go on instinct. My instinct was like, get away from everybody.

Right. Like, go quiet. I want to just wake up in the morning and have coffee on the porch and just hear birds chirping and see, you know, see a fucking deer bounce by. Like, that's what I like. I like to relax. That's some cool shit. Yeah. You have to, if I'm in Manhattan, bam, bam, fuck you.

I'm like, I don't feel relaxed. Right. This is a place for me to visit. But it's just my personality, like whatever it is with me. Like, even when I lived in New York, I live, I couldn't afford an apartment that had a rental. I couldn't afford a rental car space. but I needed a car for the road. Right.

Because I took the total opposite approach of you. I did not do the clubs in the city very often. No? That's where I met you. Yeah. No, I still did some of them. Right, right. But most of the road is mostly the road is what I did.

Right. So I did a lot of gigs in Long Island, I did a lot of gigs in New Jersey because that paid real money and I could do an hour. You know, I was like, I could get better in the city, but I'm getting better in these five and ten minutes spots. Like, I need time. Right. I need, like, real time to put together an act.

Because when you're in Boston, you always went on the road. Everybody did the road. Right. So it didn't make sense to me to be, like, just doing one 10-minute spot and another 10-minute spot. I'm like, I can't. I thought the opposite. This is why.

So I was doing all those shows that you were doing, like, for the hour, for the feature. First, I started hosting. But then I was like, I need to get on TV so that I can get on the road. Yeah. And then people book me and come see me. So then I said, let me go to Manhattan, which takes me out of the hour situation. But in these 15-minute spots, build, people see me,

put you on this TV show, put you on that TV show. And, like, as a stand-up, like, you know, like the improv or whatever, like, stand-up show that they were having. Because back then it's like a few late-night show appearances, and then boom, then you could be on the road. So I went that route. And that was my mentality for probably way after the shit changed. Oh, you kept, you hung onto it too long.

Yeah, even living in L.A. Yeah. I remember, this is, this is, this is, this is, I was with Kevin Hart, right? He just moved to L.A. And I wrote on his sitcom, The Big House. And then he's booking, he's a good actor. Like, when he walks, like, I've held, him audition before but I didn't really help him audition

he would just be like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and he wouldn't say all the words but he would nail the feeling of the shit and he's like you don't have to remember everything and it's like it was an eye-opening experience and then but then he said I want to be on the road like Cat Williams I'm like why you want to do that get another TV show and then the fame of the TV show

will get you on the road thank God that nigger didn't listen to me he went on the road he's doing like fifteen hundred dollars you know the you know the the route to build and and collecting emails yeah the complete opposite and fucking kevin hard's kevin hard yeah well he was always very smart about the social media thing and treated like a separate business because like i remember there was a story about someone wanted uh access to his social media to promote a project they were doing he was like no sony that's a total different deal like you got one deal you got Kevin Hart to act in your movie another deal you get access to Kevin Hart's Instagram like I built this right

this is my business and if you want to do that we can talk but it's this is not the same deal yeah and I was like okay that because they did that to a lot of people they did that to all Arseneo Hall was at the ice house and you remember he had the Arseneo Hall show came back came back yeah right so when it came back they took over his social media that was part of the deal And then they didn't give it back to him. What? Yes.

And this is a long time afterwards, like months and months and months afterwards. We were hanging out at the Ice House, and he's like, I can't get my social media back. And he built that from being on the apprentice. Also from being on the original show. Yeah, which was an iconic show. I mean, he did everything. He did stand up. I mean, Arsenio Hall was in movies.

Right. And they took his fucking social media. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. But that was they were trying to make deals like that When I was doing that show Joe Rogan questions everything

They wanted to do that That was gonna be a part of the deal They'd take over my social media What year was that? 2012 maybe Yeah you had a strong It was okay It was nothing like not as big as it is now

But it was big enough I was like fuck it's bigger than you Yeah it was bigger than I mean you as in them Yeah no I know but it was big It was big for then For then I think It was pretty big

But it was my point is like for me when they were saying to me I'm like my show my social media presence is bigger than you right you have a network your network social media is not nearly as big as my my one person social media why would I do that why would I let you have access to it

and they wanted to be able to promote their other shows oh fuck that and then just diluted and turn it into something that's crazy not only that they could write on it whatever they wanted to whatever they and they said other artists aren't having a problem that's doing this this was like their argument it was like a hang up in the deal and I was like

I'm so fucking looting not Like if I post something Even if it sucks I want people to know That came out of my fat little thumbs Like I wrote that That's it Whether you like it he hated Know that it came from me

And when they did that I was like oh so how many people Have been doing this And it was a bunch of my friends Had to sign off deals like that Right It was part of the deal If you wanted to do this new show

You had to give them access To your social media Not just access Control of your social media That is wild That's that into perpetuity type shit that they put in contracts when you do like a stand-up set

on something. What do you plan on doing this material? Nothing. And then they say, they actually mention space and planets. Don't they? In those contracts? There's some contracts like that.

And you're like, whoa, what the fuck do you know that I don't know? I read about a contract. I don't know if this is true. Some sort of a Scientology contract that is like into, infinity, like to the end of the universe. Wow.

Talk about covering your basis. Not even until you die. Like, until time runs out. A billion year commitment. C-org. Here it is. Oh. Wow.

A symbolic billion-year commitment, which functions as a perpetual contract with no expiration date, while other staff members sign employment contracts of varying lengths. Sometimes short-term is just too. 2.5 years, but potentially extending to five years or more, and these agreements may be disguised as volunteer or religious worker contracts to avoid labor laws. So the C.org, if I think, click on C.org, I think he collected that. How much were they paying you a week? Nothing. To sign off on that contract.

They give you nothing. You get nothing and you're happy. You just can't believe you're a part of the C.org. I'm going to be in the C.org. That's wild, bro. Wow. A billion-year contract. Yeah, that's wild. Well, they, they, you know, people have been doing that taking advantage of young artists in particular for ever.

Like, that's why Prince had to change his name to a symbol. Right. You know, that's, they've been doing that to people forever. Jared Leto's going through that shit, right? You know, he went through that shit with his band. It's just, there's always going to be a business that takes advantage of you and makes it look like it's not a big deal. Like, uh, Spotify. Like, I know this is Spotify, but there's a lot of beef about Spotify right now.

What's the big beef? Just artists ain't getting paid. Yeah, the people who get paid are the people that own the records, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah. That's the, if you own your label or you own your catalog, then you get paid. It's just what contracts did you sign? That's the thing. It's like, if you're an upcoming artist today and you're listening to this, do you need a record label?

Or do you really need a wide No one's buying records Right how do you How do you get your shit played Outside of Like It's easy to avoid a label Right

Right Right But how do you get your shit heard It has to go viral Right It has to be undeniable Is anything really going viral Or is it

Artificial viral? Artificial viral Like what's both Both things are happening Yeah, there's definitely real, still real viral, but there's a lot of artificial viral, and that's what a record company can do for you. Right. It can make you go artificial viral. Right.

And it will go viral if you're good, but it's like they can juice it up to a point, but what's the cost? They want like 50%. They want some insane amount of money from your touring. You're touring. Yeah. You're touring. Doing live performances, they don't even sing a word and they get paid. And that's where.

like artists used to get ripped off in their deals but they used to make money touring right but then they cut into the touring now well because they weren't making any money selling records anymore because who was making the money well the thing is like nobody was right for a long time right it was a streaming but then there was like Apple streaming and Apple you have to pay a dollar Spotify ate them up yeah they just nobody buys music on Apple anymore I mean I used to to listen to, before I signed my Spotify deal, everything was Apple Music.

Yeah. For the longest time, I wasn't even using Spotify. And then once I started using it, I was like, oh, this is better. Right, right. And that was it. I get it if you're an artist, you're not getting paid. Like, I get it. I don't know what to say.

I don't know why you signed that deal. I don't know what the circumstances were. I don't know how those deals are even legal. Yeah. I don't know how if, like, I got, like, my specialist coming out on YouTube. So I got, there's a way for comics to do it without signing a big deal. Yes. Or signing everything away, giving it over to somebody for less than you showed.

Or even if it pays a legit amount, it's not for a billion. Right. You can keep it. But I don't know if you're a musician, like what way you can get your shit heard. You got to put it out like that. You got to put it out on YouTube, put it out on. social media. Someone has to retweet it. Someone has to hear about it, talk about it on a podcast. You can get it out. You know, we were talking about, it's a little late, but we were talking

about that Johnny Thunder song, I'm Alive. We played it yesterday. And then Jamie brought up that after we first started playing it on the podcast, like two years ago, it's a song from 1969. There was like a lost song. And Brian Simpson brought it to the mothership. And he's like, this is going to be like one of your favorite songs. You got to listen to this. And we played it in the green room and I was like holy shit and we had to figure out

that it was from 1969 I'm like when was this like who was this guy like what is the deal the dude back then apparently was still alive

and he died like a year later so he might have died knowing that his song had started to be gone big again because then it started appearing in commercials oh it was in a bunch of commercials

what were the commercials again uh Samsung Lincoln like Mountain Dew did he own commercials I don't think so he was only he only had this one song that was amazing yeah that's what i was looking at up yesterday he actually had a billboard billboard hit before that what was that one uh loop de loop was it good i didn't i was going to play it yesterday but let's play it let's play it let's say a loop de loop

let's say a loop but the point is like he should have been a star he should have been i say johnny thunder and you're like oh i love that dude his second album's amazing you know he should have been at least Chubby Chubby Chekker. Yeah. Yeah, something number four on the pop chart. The little twist. Chubby Chekker got so much mileage off the twist. I've never seen somebody get that much mileage.

I have to edit this out. Yeah, we'll edit it out. All right, kill this. This is terrible. Now play. He looked like the dude that was fighting Muhammad Ali in his early. What was that?

Now, play, I'm alive. Now, this is the fucking jam, son. this song. I listen to this song all the time. This is on regular playback. Woo! First of all, he looks like a death jam comic. That's number one.

Or even like like an all senior hall, like back in the days. So what year was this, Jamie? This one was 69. Wow. And then I also read that he had been performing with the drifters

and did the backup vocals, I think, for like Dionne Warwick or something like that. See, that song to me is just proof that there's a lot of factors involved in making it because that guy should have been a fucking superstar. That is a superstar song. Yeah, because I'm listening to it.

Just the opening. Yeah. I was like, let's stop there. Let's stop there and take that in for a second. And then it switched. I wasn't even ready for the switch, but I was like, let me go with this. It's so good.

Then I could see it. in like the beginning or the end of so many TV shows. Right. Like I was like, oh, yeah. This is. This is the guy that wrote that song. Tommy James. And performed it and recorded it a year after.

Wow. That's what we just listened to. Wow. Tommy James and the Shandelle. He sang Moni, mooney. Oh, sure. That was another song that like, that was a famous song that, what's his face? The guy with the hair.

God damn it. Billy Idol. Billy Idol came out with 81. Wow. Which also seems like a million years ago. That was when I was in high school. How weird, man. I know.

First of all, when Loopty Loot was a hit and then he made the other song that wasn't a hit, I know he was pissed. I know. Can you imagine? Imagine like that's what you all like. Lootty loop? You all ain't heard alive? This is, I've, listen to their live shit.

It's, uh, sometimes. People just put it all together for once. I mean, that's a thing about songs, right? Like the one-hit wonder thing? Yeah. It's a different time. I mean, it was the early 60s. They're coming out.

I don't know how big of them. It was before the drugs. Radio, you know. Early 60s, people were still naive. They were goofy. Yeah. They were still Father knows best. You know, they're all.

Father knows best. You know, look. Leave it to Beaver. They were goofy. People were goofy in 63. By 69, they got wild. It was real quick. I wonder what people would internet minds back then did.

drugs or people with internet mind internet mentality how did they mask in society how did they comic books they read a lot of comic books yeah they went to comic book shops they went to like punk rock concerts yeah yeah they had a like fine group they went to CBGBs yeah they had to find places where they could fit in there's no online forum no for that no it was a factory for turning people into drones right that was society back then, turn you into a worker drone. Yeah. Oof.

Yeah, because school already trains us for it. Yep. Like the bell rings, you get up, you go to the next class. It's designed for that. Yeah. It's not the best way to teach kids. And guys like you and I, they label you as like ADHD or something, right? Yeah, yeah.

Did you get labeled? I didn't get labeled because I don't know why. I kind of, like, my father and them was like, you know, they're immigrants. They're like, so you. you got to work hard you know what i mean so you got to like apply yourself and this is a they went out of their way to provide this opportunity so i didn't want to blow it up to a certain point but after a certain point like i was going to do comedy which was something that they didn't expect or would have wanted me to do but high school and college like i didn't mind you know what i

mean maybe around college that's when shit started to get like a little wonky but the high school shit like all right i can get some good grades that's i can follow that blueprint up until there and a little bit after but in college that's when shit like well then they're prepping you for the real world and you realize it's going to be your whole day doing shit you don't want to do and there's no joy in mudville you're like fuck right unless you're into it unless like college is like whatever subject that you want to pursue in life is that's the way to go. You know, if you want to be an astronomer, that's how you learn. You know, but for a comic, like, college is just like, why, why am I forced to do this?

Like, why am I making myself do this? Like, what is the end goal? If I get a job, I'm fucked. Right. I knew that I always wanted to, like, have, make a decent amount of money and be middle class. That was the, I was like, so you got to go to college, right, to do that. That's the way we were programmed. Right.

But the instant comedy came into my mind, it was never a risk for me. Like, I was never risking that stability for the gamble of comedy. What did it feel like instead of a risk? The only thing to do. Yeah, I know what you mean. Like, there was a switch, and once you turned it on, that shit was broke, it couldn't go back the other way. And this is what we was doing.

Yeah. That's kind of how you have to be if you want to do it. I think that's the same with music. I think that's the same with literature. You want to write books. I feel lucky about it, though. Yeah, for sure. Because there's people that were able to turn their switch back off. The mind is still on. Well, that's because you're doing the right thing. You're doing the thing that you're supposed to be doing. right on people there's there's people that turn that switch off because there's something else drags them in or they can't beat their demons right you know there's a lot of people like there's a lot of different there's some demons are like they're not even dark demons they're like gray demons like depression yeah can't be the demon of a dull depression they don't they don't have the energy to write they don't have the energy to perform they don't have the energy to eat healthy they don't have the energy to do shit and then they just settle

into a mundane life because they can't beat those demons and they also don't have support there's a lot of those dudes that get real dark because they don't have support they're not friends I listen and I

feel I don't I feel bad for those people I don't know we don't even know what happened to this guy who we just played right what went wrong what went wrong what deterred him what took him off track right but he clearly had something I've seen people

with something and I like I remember damn I don't know if I can remember his name we're all doing open mics like we're grinding we're bombing then this guy comes in one night and he's at the governor's he goes on stage he's our age he rips I mean we're like even we're like wow hey man what's your name tells us his name might come to me and I mean I say How long you've been doing it? This is my first time. And then it was like that every time he went on stage.

And we hung out with him, and it was just, we're like, this guy. It's like, we're pleased for him, and we're his biggest fans, and we're angry at him at the same time. And then he just disappeared. Yeah. Yeah. Then I ran into him in Queens, and he was kind of doing it, but it wasn't. the same like the Muhammad Ali thing he stopped training for enough years yeah to like lose it all to not even be as good as the first time we saw him which was his first time one of the

reasons why I talk about the way I approach things is because I think I wish someone had told me the little pitfalls that life will throw you and the little game that will be played in front of you where you have to make decisions of which way to go and and if something went wrong you got to make decision to pull yourself up and figure out how to make it better like what do I have to do to keep going but clearly I'm on a path other people are doing this path I got to figure out how to do this some people just get to those pitfalls and then they never recover they just they just they start drinking they start eating too much they start doing this they start doing that they get into a bad funk they lose some money they get into a toxic relationship that's a big one that's a big one that's one that's one that's one of the big distractions that people do and they don't even realize they're doing it you're distracting yourself from having success in life by being addicted to this relationship you're with this person where you yell at each other and you know who knows who knows what your particular brand of chaos is but the one thing that it has in common it's a gigantic distraction

from you doing what you want to do in life and you don't have your shit together so you find else who doesn't have your shit together and you pile all your shit together and make it way worse. And you both fuck each other's lives up. And at the end of it, maybe one of you will write a song about it. But that's when it's worth it. Even when you're talking about bad

relationships, I'm like, shit, that's material. It is material. It is material. It's a lot of fun. I never go on a bad date. Because if a date is good, it's good. If it's bad, then it's material. You know what I mean? That's true. So comics complain about dates. I'm like, that's an experience. That's some shit.

you could bring to the stage like why are you down about this how many times if someone told you a crazy story like in the green room or something like that you're like have you said that on stage yet yeah like no can I yeah I tell people all the time like that is like sometimes

my friend he just broke up with this girl he's sad he's talking about I'm like damn this nigga don't know how funny he's about to be and he's crying he's crying like I'm like man some of the greatest comedy came out of broken hearts yeah look at kinnison i was married twice this whole thing yeah this whole thing was like just getting his heartbroken right he's one of

his best bits was he sat at the piano and sang a love song to his ex uh there it's like i hope you die i hope you slide under a gas truck and taste your own blood die die i want my records back I want my fucking records back And you looked at it You just believed it all Because like, of course He's a little fat guy with no hair People are going to dump on them

It's not going to work out Even if you're famous and you look like that They're going to get tired of you He's a walking underdog story Without even fucking explaining it And turning that shit into something And how do you not gravitate towards that? Like, every heartbreak that I've experienced, like, underneath in me, I'm like, man, don't worry.

Once this cloud lifts, you'll be able to talk about this on stage. Like, that's a part of, like, survival. That's how far gone in this I am. And I'm just realizing it now as I talk to you. That's funny. Yeah. That's how, it's like, yeah, it's like trying to think of like when bad, like I got into somebody hit my car. And I was like, this is going on stage or just anything.

Yeah. It's like, sometimes I'm when I, I don't have that many civilian friends anymore, but sometimes I used to just complain on the phone about an interaction. You know what's funny? Like military people do not like us talking about non-comedians or civilians. We're at war, baby. I'm just kidding. I know. I cannot.

Military people, I get that. I get it. But that is the term we have used forever. Forever. Forever. Forever. Like, the first time I heard somebody say it, I was like, how did you know that I said, I say that? The first time I ever heard a comic refer to other, to non-comics of civilians.

I was like, that's what I say in my head. How the fuck did you? And it's like, nobody's stealing it from each other. Right, right, right. But all our terms are related to battle, like, you bomb. killed yep you know died died yeah you know what I mean yeah so it's like we all got battle terms yeah well because it is kind of a mental battle right there's a weird battle of control and there's always a lot of drunk people in the audience don't want you taking control they want to

take control of you I mean Don Al Rollins got his start as a heckler oh there's don't Al Rollins got his start as a heckler oh there's don't Al Rolls that's how he proudly he's like I'm a proud heckler son it's really funny but it's like So it is kind of, there's a battle too. And it's also a battle of your own self. There's a battle inside of you to try to, like what we were talking about before, to get to that flow state. Yeah.

Like, what is that battle? Yeah. There's some nights I don't have it. I don't, it doesn't come. And then other nights, it's right there. The moment I start talking, I'm smiling, I'm in the groove. And it's like, we. Do you have an inkling of it before?

Yeah. Did you do anything to get there? I always think about that. Generally, it has to be a day that I work out. Like, for me, I work out. so much that if I don't work out, I get a little just a little tense.

First of all, you're in disrespectful shape. You're in shapeness is disrespectful to me. Well, you've got to eat meat if you want to get in this kind of shape, son. I guess. We got to chop them soybeans. Where the elk cat?

I ate some today. I cooked up some heart. I cooked up some heart for lunch. Oh, shit. It's good. Heart for lunch. Yeah. That's what I ate. Elkhart. Fuck it. that's that's a big key man protein animal protein it's very important for if you want to keep going

you the thing it's like way easier to keep going though than it is to get going like if you're 58 and you start working out now like ooh that's hard but if you're 58 and you've been working out for for me like 40 years right you know it's not I mean like hard for 40 years more than that 15 so yeah more than that like probably started working out when I started wrestling so that was like 14 yeah karate was around the same time then taekwendo from 15 on so I've always worked out right it's like so my body just if if I don't work out for a day my body's like what's going on hilarious I'm trying to get rid of this stuff like I don't want any anxiety I don't want any tension I want to blow it out you probably sleepwalk into the gym you probably like wake up sometimes

like oh shit I worked out yeah I got it you press the button in for the code and you was in there you had no fucking idea well that's why I like things that you can't sleep walk through like if you're doing like heavy rounds on the bag like you can't sleep to walk through 10 rounds in the bag and that seventh round comes around you look at the time and you're like fuck I got three more rounds you do 10 yeah just got I mean I do it at my own pace it's not 10 of fighting but it's you know 10 where you're you're going at it and it's it's But that's the point. The point is that when it's done, I'm like,

ah, I fucking did it. And it's really, 10 is only 30 minutes of work. Yeah, I know, yeah. Fighting is, fighting is taxing. This is 10, 3-minute rounds when I hit the bag. But, like, think about an MMA fight is 5-minute rounds. That's crazy. Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

That's crazy. on your shin in between rounds like fuck am i doing with my life i should have went to school yeah that is a crazy mentality type of life but bless them god bless them and they they have to be all in too the way you're all in with comedy and you always have been they have to be all in with fighting and even then there's no guarantee because there might be a mike tyson in your division there might be a sugar ray letter there might be a floyd mayweather it might be a dude you're never catching up to like like i got crawford yeah like i say Like, I don't know much about fighting, and I've learned a lot from you.

I remember we did a show in, I think, Denver, and there was this female fighter. She came backstage, and she was up there, and she just had a kid, and she's still going to fight, but she's like, there's other things to life. I'm going to, like, raise my son and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then once she said, there's other things to life, and I was like, you're off. Just in my head, and you're a father. And just the way she said it and some other things, I said, she shouldn't fight no more. And I watched all her fights after that. And she might have won one.

But she, yeah, she didn't, she didn't. And she would, I can't remember her name per se. But I just remember her saying that. You're the king of that, not being able to remember, leave us with mysteries. You're welcome. You're welcome. I'm out. The comments are going to try to find that dude.

Yeah, yeah. You said it's the best fighter ever. They're scouring right now. Yeah, somebody came up with that. Yeah, it's a thing that you have to either want to be a world champion. You have to want to be the best in the world, or you have to be willing to accept that you're a journeyman. And if you're willing to accept that you're just doing it for a paycheck,

it's a crazy way to make a living. But there are a lot of guys out there that they get to a point where they realize I'm never going to be champion, but I'm still going to make a lot of money. And I'm still going to have some good fights. As long as I don't have to fight any world champions, I can be successful 60% of the time, maybe, 70, if you're lucky. Hard way to live, though. It's a hard way to live.

How much, like, what's the average, like, paycheck for a fight for a fighter like that you just described? It depends on how much they have crowd popularity, right? Like, if you're a Donald Soroni, Cowboy Soroni, who never won the title, but he was a guy who... Love Soroni. He would make some real good money, real good money. I don't want to talk out of school. I don't know what his checks were. But you could get rich.

You could be a multimillionaire. Like Sean Strickland, he was just talking about it in one of his Instagram stories. That's why I could say this, where he said he's got about $4 million in the bank. That's good. And I'm like, that's amazing. Yeah, and he's, like, 30s? He's in his 30s. He's still top of the food chain, one of the best in the world in his division, and he's got money set aside.

Like, that's a smart dude. You've got to kind of be able to do that. Because if you don't do that, and then you run out. of fighting and you run out of money and you run out of options and you run out of ideas you don't know what to do that's a terror see we could do what we do doma rera said this to me once he was like 65 years old and he got off stage he fucking murdered and he goes joey he goes one of things i love about this fucking game it's like as long as you're in it you're still getting better it's like i'm still getting better right and it was it was beautiful to watch because it's

true like rodney gingerfield deep into his 70s killing kill it george carlin deep into his late late ages before he died killing you know you could still do it yeah and with fighting there's a time where you're all this fails you right all the shoulders fail the back fails the neck fails the wheels fall off and then you can't take a shot anymore and you got to get out yeah i've seen it in boxing because that's the the the combat sport that i've watched the most growing up uh shit now i'm going to mention another name that I can't remember. So there was this black guy who was fighting a Mexican guy, but they're big name guys.

Melgic Taylor, Julio Cesar Chavez. Boom. That fight. Never the same after that. Oh, bro, I got a Julio Cesar Chavez shirt on right now. He was winning the fight. Yep. Yep.

Winning it. Winning it. Got... Winning it. Chased him down. Yep. Got stopped in the last seconds of the last round. and Mel Drew Taylor

was never the same man. Never the same ever, ever, bro. Never the same again. All the skill all the technique and he was a great fighter great Olympic gold medalist world champion he didn't

he didn't leave that ring the way he went in and he was good enough to beat Chavez crazy kind of because he lost he almost beat Chavez and that would have been a great moment

huge for him huge but the amount of damage he took up until that final blow was already sealed his fate for the rest of his life even if he never got hit with that last punch if he just made it to the final bell and raised his hands up and they gave him the decision you know and no if they did that he still is never the same again

because Chavez was just breaking him down breaking him down and then you not around those guys the next day that's the The saddest thing about the UFC would run into dudes who lost the next day at the airport. And you see him at the airport and like one eye is completely shut. They got bandages on their forehead where they got cut open, their arms in a sling, and they're shuffling because their legs are so beat up. They can barely walk. And you see him get on the plane.

You're like, whoa, they got sunglasses on and shit. And they just, and everybody's like, that got that got five last night. He got knocked out. And you see him walking by. sometimes that's the winner too oh yeah that's how brutal that shows oh yeah oftentimes that's the winner but you would see those guys

at the airport you're like wow that's a that's a wake up call because it's not just the night of the fight it's like how long is it going to be before you feel normal again right yeah you brought up Bernard Hopkins earlier and he has

the way he fought was I ain't getting CTE Because first of all, you may hit me And if it is, you're going to hit me while I'm holding you And you ain't get no force or no power And people are going to cuss And say, I'm a dirty fighter And let the motherfucker go

This is not a dance And this ain't the electric slide Or the two-step. But I am not getting no brain damage Like Muhammad Ali used to move Bernard would come to you Hug you, pat-pap Hug you again,

Pap, hook you again, people paid their money, curse this motherfucker out, but they still come back to see this motherfucker hold. Yeah, he frustrated the shit out of people, but he did fuck some people up, too. Yeah. When he fucked up Felix Trinidad, that was a big one. That was a big one, because everybody thought Trinidad was going to kill him.

I thought Trinidad was going to kill him, too. He was a bad motherfucker deep into his late 40s. Yes. Late 40s world class. That's crazy. If you don't let him fight, you could fight for a long-ass time. You could just keep fighting. Just don't let him fight. He knew all the arm locks.

But even him, like the last fight he had against Joe Smith Jr., he got knocked out of the ring and fell on his head. And he was 50 years old. That's old, bro. I know. And the guy he fought Joe Smith Jr. is a murderous puncher. Just murderous puncher.

And he just hit him Bernard with these haymakers. And Bernard went through the ropes. The ropes were loose, and he fell out of the ropes and landed on his fucking head. That's how the fight ended. He's too old to be doing it. First of all, he's too old to, like you said, your body goes. So he probably doesn't say, I have the strength. No.

His body's not, so. Also, falling out of the ring and no one catches you and you land on your head, that's crazy. That's crazy. It's almost makes up for all the punches he missed his entire career all in that one moment. I mean, that's a car wreck. Yeah. That could fuck you up for the rest of your life. Yeah, we're lucky. We're lucky we picked a thing that doesn't give you brain damage and you keep doing forever and ever.

Yeah, or we were just made this way or it picked us. I don't know what. Is this too serendipitous? But I'm glad. I'm glad too. Yeah. I'm glad we've been friends all this time, too. It's been fun. We've had a fun ride. Yeah, we have a fun ride. Let's keep this shit going. Tonight, you're doing my show tonight? I'm leaving. I'm going back to LA. You ain't going to like that answer. So I even ask. Do you have to go back? Can we change your flight? I got a writing job.

Oh, you got to be there tomorrow? So I got to be there tomorrow. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. So it's writing job, that velvet prison, son. I'm trying to break out. That's why I got this special.

And I'm going to keep putting out specials, bro. Okay. Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. All right, brother. Well, tell everybody, what's the name of it? Where is?

It's on YouTube. It's on YouTube at Ian Edwards' standup. Untitled. It's called Untitled. And. all the money from the views and the ad sense goes to victims of the L.A. fire. Oh, beautiful.

Yeah, I don't want no money. For real, though. For real? For real, for real. Like, unlike all those other gigantic... You know me? I've never scammed anybody. No. You know what I mean? I'm just like... I was there in L.A. when it happened.

And it was devastating. Did you just in the La Jolla? Yeah, the comedy store. The La Jolla is a guy that's such a great room. That's such a great room. Yeah. Beautiful. All right.

Thanks so happens, brother. You're the best. I love you. I love you, fan. All right. Bye, everybody.