The Joe Rogan Experience - #2393 - Bryan Callen

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

Bryan Callen is a comedian and actor. He’s the host of the “Off Limits” podcast and co-host of “The Fighter and the Kid” with Brendan Schaub. Check out his new comedy special "False Gods" on YouTube now. www.bryancallen.comwww.youtube.com/@BryanCallenComedy Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visible. Live in the know. Join today at https://www.visible.com/rogan Take 50% off a SimpliSafe system at https://simplisafe.com/ROGAN Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Rogan podcast checking out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night All day I was at I was at Terran Tactical and I was shooting and I, and Logan Paul was there

and I just met him and I hit a dove I grazed a dove somehow, right? Oh no, yeah they do fly around there Yeah, and I, so Logan and I come up, and I grab the dove, and I'm going to ring its neck, so it doesn't suffer. And Logan, Logan goes, wait, hold, let me just see it, and he takes it in his hands. And instead of me wringing its neck, because I don't want it to suffer, I swear to God, it was all, you know how the wing is like this? His Jesus energy, his, whatever his energy is, he held it in both hands.

I swear to God, the thing kind of just went, just. kind of put its wing back in and just fucking flew out of his hands. And I was like, all right. Well, you were going to kill it. I was going to kill it. I was like, all right. They are delicious. Maybe that's Logan's celebrity power.

Do you know that it's like the most hunted bird in North America? Listen, pigeons delicious. And I was just hunting them in London, sir, on the outskirts of London. I just got back. Oh, I was like, in the city? I don't think you're allowed to do that. This is why I can't do anything. Look at me.

What's the matter? I don't know how to do this. Help me. It's like a door. You open the other like that I know it's weird All right Yeah but you know

I get pissed when I can't figure out Little shit like that Yeah Like a child seat And I'm like yeah And I look at my wife I go you do it And I just throw my hands up

What is about men that we don't read directions I never read directions I open the box Like look at this fucking bullshit Put that aside I don't need this No I'll figure this out My wife

Remember one time When my kid was really young I had to put together A child's bed And I'm like can do it and I go to put the bed together and and well I couldn't I couldn't because there were directions and I was like I this screws you know how they number the screws oh yeah yeah I'm sitting there like this and then I'm making noises I'm going ah ah ah my wife's like what's wrong with you're like

stay out of the room apparently she gave me the room get out of the room I got this you should do hard cardio before you put together and your child's no this is what I did just get calm I called I called my buddy and I go I'll give you three hundred dollars you come over here right now put this bed together he builds houses he comes over he goes it's four slats and a frame kind of a moron are yeah he couldn't believe it I was like I'm shut up well that's different though that's a guy's used to using his hands yeah not a delicate man like yourself that's correct sir I have soft I have soft hands I'm by the way fresh if I have some marks on my face I'm fresh fresh from the from the mat of doing takedowns at 58 that's a good time oh it's your back you're right

You know what, dude, my back is actually good because I've mastered the art of warming up. Oh, that's good. That's smart. I'm pedantic about it. Like, they make fun of me, and I'm like, fuck off. Yeah, you should. I do my bird dogs, my fire hydrants. You know, Muhammad Ali used to work out for, well, used to warm up, rather, for an hour before he worked out?

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I watched Mani Pack, yeah. I didn't know that, but that's how you stay from getting injured. I did this thing with Tosh, Daniel Tosh and I, at Wildcar Gym, where Tosh was getting punched by Manny. and it was like help it was like some silly sketch we were doing and uh but manny was there for a real workout day and just kindly uh allowed tosh like 20 minutes of his time and they did this little thing um but i got to see manny work out it is very meticulous it's all like these

he's working out with rubber bands where it's like short little movements and and it's all these twisting and turning and he's got guys stretching him he's like you know he's moving around like everything's very slow. Very slow. Get the body warmed up first. Yeah. His first couple rounds of even, we watched him hit the Mets.

His first couple rounds of even hitting the Mets, it's like tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. Just move. Yeah, just get everything. Get everything flowing. I watched Olympic ice skaters. I was doing a gig at Laugh Boston, and they had some huge tournament.

And this woman was in there, she was apparently an Olympian, watching the way she warms up, like her ankles rubbing down, all these things. little details. I was like, that looks boring as shit, but you have to do it. You have to. You have to. Otherwise, you wind up all busted up and broken. But that, it allows me to actually wrestle. Did you be 58 and actually shooting single and double legs against the monsters in

that's silly. And I'm with like, you know, Sean Apperson or Tyson Mendeas, those guys at archetype boxing? They're just all muscle. And you're wrestling with them? Yes, sir. Okay. And then Tim Kennedy, those guys. Are you planning on getting hurt? Are you trying to get hurt? Well, well, I usually Bruce, why do you feel pain? My advantage is I just go, I make a weird noise. Like a gay woman? I go like this, huh! And I tap or I fall down.

Did you see that video I sent you of that 80-year-old woman completed an Iron Man? Yes. 80 years old, she completed an Iron Man triathlon, which is, I think it's 120 miles on a bike, and then it's a marathon, and how long is the swim? Did I send it to you, Jamie? I think it's two miles, 2.6 miles.

That is crazy. It's so crazy. She's 80 years old. But I think if you keep, if you do something every day like that, I actually think you can... Yes. You keep a lot. Like what people never do is they don't do any sprints. I don't know how to say her last name.

Grabo, Grubow. Either way. Natalie, you're a monster. Amazing. 80 years old. So nuts. She became the oldest woman to finish the Iron Man World Championship. God.

That is so incredible. A 3.8 kilometers swim. Wow. So whatever that is in miles. That's like 180 kilometers in miles. It's like 5,000 miles. I'm not good. I'm not going to do it.

I think they're doing this. It just must be a UK website. It's covering this. Because I think it's all done in miles, I believe. I've never had an interest in endurance stuff. Do you? I have an interest in it, but here's the thing. It doesn't matter, Jamie.

It's a lot. Whatever this lady did is fucking incredible. We don't need to break it down exactly to miles. But I'm pretty sure it's like a 120 mile bike ride and a full marathon. I mean, at 80, all in a day and a two-mile whatever swim. What the fuck? I don't know. The lady's a beast.

Yeah. It's a beast. That's crazy. That's just will. That's just having a fucking iron will. The problem with that is it will consume your life. Yep. That obsession with endurance will consume your life.

And you can let it do that if that's what you're into. I feel like you want to find peace in the punishment that you give yourself like David Gagins does. When I talk to him, he's so crazy because he's doing all this stuff by himself for no reason. Yeah. He goes, I'm getting lessons. He's telling me he's like learning things. And he's not bullshitting.

No. Like he's really, it's like he's like a strange type of a month. that we've never had before. So let me ask you, the question is, is he a monk, which he probably is, or is he an addict? And maybe you can be both. Yeah, you can be both. I think monks are addicts, too, because they're addicted to being calm. They don't want any women in their life.

They don't want any possessions. Like, dude, I'm good. Yeah. I'm addicted to just be it like this. Yeah, they were doing this neuroplasticity kind of like these scans, and they found that the monks that sit around and meditate on joy. You know, they, like, think of the joyous things that that part of their brain expands.

Okay, I mean. They should talk to Charlie Sheen because he was telling me a story about how he got his dick sucked while he smoked the crack for the very first time, and it was the greatest experience of his life. Oh, yeah.

He said, to this day, nothing's topped him. The greatest experience of his life was the first time he smoked crack, a girl was giving him head. Yeah, well, you know. So tell that monk to go fuck himself. My friend who did heroin. He, he, well, I may as well say it, Artie Lang.

He said it on the podcast. He said, he did heroin the first time. And as his head hit the pillow, he went, I'm in trouble. Whoa, yeah. This is just, I'm going to chase this dragon. Yeah, Dave Landau said a very similar thing. He did it. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace.

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that shit'll grab you oh i think for most people that shit grabs you yeah i think you have to be like averse to doing things that'll fuck your life up like you have to have like an automatic like maybe you grew up around alcoholics or something like that or you saw i i didn't none of my like i didn't have like anyone in my family that ruined their life with alcohol but i did have friends that had close relatives that I saw become addicted to cocaine. And I saw this when I was in high school. So I got like really scared of addiction. And I also when I was working construction, there was this fucking dude that I was friends with who was really cool. He was an older guy. I mean, older than me. And I was like 16 at the time, 17. And he was probably

in his early 30s, but he couldn't keep his shit together. He just couldn't stop. drinking and he would he would be good for a while and then he would start drinking again and man he was so funny he was so fun he was like such a cool guy and he was a drummer in a band and the band just you know never kind of his name was Robbie and the band never kind of fucking got it together but he was like like he could have been my best friend if like we were the same age and we were hanging out together. It's just not sustainable. But I was watching a man who was a carpenter. He was a finished carpenter and, you know, very talented carpenter, but he would just ruin his life every

few months. Both. Both, booze and coke. But booze would start it off. It would be, you know, he'd all of a sudden be drinking a Budweiser and then it was off to the races. I don't, that's the thing about addiction. You know, I, or just anything in life, if you want to be good at something, I actually don't think you can do it necessarily and some people can maybe but I don't know how long when you say

when you talk about discipline when you say I'm just not going to do it you that works for some people but I don't think it works for people like that I think what they have to do their brains are different yeah they have to figure out a way to make sobriety more pleasurable

than the other thing and that's fucking hard well Jimmy Norton And, you know, his mom famously said when he was, like, hooked on hookers. She's like, Jimmy, you got to take your addictions and channel it into something positive. Like, it was really funny. He'd talk about, like, how fucking off the rails he was, but how his mom would help him, you know, like, with that piece of advice. But that is true.

Like, so if you can all of a sudden become a marathon runner when before you were just looking to score meth every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You definitely, that's a better thing to be addicted to because it's not going to ruin your life. It might ruin your ankles and your knees and shit, but it's not going to ruin your life where it, like, takes away all your money and you wind up sucking dick for rocks, you know, like, it's kind of hot. People do stuff.

They do. Remember I said to you? I remember we were talking and I said, I think you had gotten some, you know, it was in the press. You made, sign some deal or something. And I said, you know, I've known you 30 years. And the one thing, the only thing that's changed about you is you've gotten more peace of mind. Like, you just haven't changed, really. like you just not you haven't changed and um i said what do you think it is which i'm always careful

about talking about because i don't want anybody any of my friends to get into their head about it right just like shut the fuck up you know what i mean like don't start asking too many questions but i was like gently kind of going i wonder we were kind of exploring what it is that keeps you grounded and i you said to me i like to do something really hard every day so it reminds me what a bitch i am that that's the same thing i feel about i wrestle almost four days a week now which is ridiculous It's actually embarrassing, right? But I do it because it's hard. And I don't want to.

And I have to warm my frame up. And then I have to go wrestle around with these fucking monsters. But there's something about it, getting better at it, kind of slowly the incremental getting better at something. And I do it because it's hard. That grounds me. No matter what, I know I did that today. And that's a really good starting point.

That's a good place to jump off. There's something that, you know, and if someone's listening and they're not into that, you definitely don't have to do that. Just try to do yoga every day. Try to go to one of those Beekrum 90-minute hot yoga classes. Some of the hardest shit I've ever done physically in my life. No shit. So you don't have to, like, go wrestle.

You can do something that more aligns with your political ideology. No, I always say that. If you're, especially, I can't speak to women. If you're a young man, you want to find yourself, just get really good at something. Like, just get good at fucking the piano. I don't care what it is. I always use Jiu-Jitsu or something like that just because it's hard, but it's a, it's a placeholder for a lot of other things. Well, it also lets you know that there's a process in life that you can apply, like, universally.

And that is, like, focus and attention and, you know, and this objective goal of getting better. And then you see progress. And then you realize, like, oh, this is kind of applicable to just being a human being. like you can get better at being a human being by thinking about okay I fucked that up I fucked this up but I did that good what did I do differently

oh okay let's do more of that and then over time you get better at being a human being right but if you don't ever try to get good at anything you're the same douchebag you were when you were in high school but now you're 48 instead of 16 yeah and you're you have the emotional maturity

of a child yeah there's a lot of people out there running around like that that are just grown-up babies. I know. And they mask it with, they'll mask it with a good vocabulary. Yeah, or they'll mask it with, like, you know, part of like, everybody wants to be an individual, right? You want to be a little mysterious.

You want to have a little, like, a skill set. And one of great things about stand-up is, you know, no matter where I am, I know I got that. Like, I'll put me in front of a group, a crowd of 100, 200, 300, 300 people, doesn't matter. I don't care who they are. I'm going to make them laugh. I know how to navigate that space for an hour. That's a nice thing to know.

But if you don't have that, you don't have a skill set, if you don't have something. What happens is you then negotiate individuality with accoutrement, as they say in France, which means... You might dye your hair blue. Of course, and get all kinds of tattoos and then do some crazy shit. Yeah, yeah. But you have no face tattoos. Oh, fuck. Not yet.

But you're going to do a lot of shit. Getting a heart in the tip of my nose. Yes, yes. Yes. Get your nipples. Get two hearts on your nose. Or get them pierced. That's the best.

That's hot. That's what you mean. You're definitely making good decisions. 58 years old. Rods through your nipples and you're a man. It's a new look. I'm trying something out. L-O-L.

But you know what I mean? You'll do that. And then you'll attach yourself to some political cause. Yeah. All those people that are protesting on the streets, 99% of them are losers. The other ones work for the Fed. I have a whole joke about that. It's like fucking, you know.

It's FBI agents and losers. It's all it is. A whole fucking. And every protest is FBI agents and losers. I talk about this all the time. I'm like, for me, you want me to join a protest? You want me to get it on the street? First of all, to make a sign the fuck out here.

And then I'm so... You don't have to make the sign. There's a guy with a van who's paid by George Soros. And he's got stacks of signs that were made at Kinkos. Okay, they're not homemade at all. And you can just fucking just pass those bad boys out. I'm never leading your revolution. My problem is my sign would say, ugh, or it's complicated.

Yeah. Well, if you're really trying to get your life together. But there's some things, you know, that people feel need to be protested, like people in the UK. Like, they're a polite group. This is a polite society, England, for the most part, you know. And they've gotten to the point where they're like, okay, this is kind of nuts. Like, what are you guys doing? They've arrested 12,000 people this year for social media posts. Isn't that insane? And counting. Yeah. And they're arresting people for just saying things in public like, I like bacon around Muslims. Yeah. Is that true? Yes. Because you're being annoying. I looked up that it's some kind of an information act. And one of the things is if you're if you post annoying, annoying.

I'm like, what? That's everything I've ever posted. I'm annoying. The Brits are famously sarcastic. Right. And also it depends entirely on who you are because like what's annoying to me might not be remotely annoying to other people so I get to decide whether or not you've committed a crime

they would have arrested Trump 50,000 times you know at least but that's that's a I always say that the Brits they the Brits I don't wake them up because they come alive that small island of pale people conquered the fucking world

don't don't be like because I think that there's the Irish too like you be careful now same thing be careful because they're very comfortable in a couple situations they come alive and when it when it comes to soccer, i.e. football. And fistfights. And fucking war. Yeah. And fistfights.

Correct, sir. Just a long history of warriors. And both Ireland and the UK. Yes. Yeah. And great. They make great mob movies. Boy, Guy Ritchie's fucking show, Mobland. Dude. Have you watched that show on Netflix? No, I love his movies.

Oh my God. It's good. Is Mom on Netflix? No, it's Paramount Plus? That's all the same. One of them streaming service. It's not all the same. I'm sorry. One of those streaming services has it, but it's fucking. great. Yeah. It's fucking great. And it just shows you like how crazy like

the UK mob scene is. It's like it's probably pretty accurate. Yeah. Yeah. It's a they always said the SAS and stuff. Is it Jamie? Paramount. Paramount. Paramount. It's paramount. It's good though. It's real good. One of the best shows ever. Yeah. Like as far as like

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I'm sitting there with my friend. We're in a shoot. We're doing a shoot, which would mean you wear a collar and tiser with those knickers, those Are you talking about like a shoot with a gun? I did a pheasant shoot. Oh, you went hunting. Sir, yes. Now at night we shot deer, but in the morning time, they do drives, and please follow along.

We wake up, we have a wonderful breakfast at the estate, and I'm paying for none of this. And then we go out and we have a loader. I had a loader, because I can't load my own shells. I had a loader, who is a British guy, that's what they do. And then the villagers beat the bush to get the partridges that have been stalked. Partridges or? I'm sorry, and both. Oh, both.

Both. Now, it's a huge business. It supports an entire community. So these shoots are, you know, they're very expensive. So the person's sponsoring, it pays essentially all these. Everybody's making money. Rich people recreation. It's a huge.

Rich people recreation. And, but there's something, there's something, I don't know what we're talking about. I lost my train of thought. You're talking about English people. Oh, yeah, yeah. They're so sarcastic. So I've got this loader who's next. to me and I'm missing the birds.

I'm not good with a shotgun and I just they're coming right out of us and I'm fucking literally just missing all of them and at one point he looks at me and goes are you a vegan? I was like fuck you dude he just quietly said that to me

he goes swing your barrels you have to learn how to do that I actually in the UK learned how to do it I learned how to do it in Scotland oh you did that yeah no I did clay pigeons You know, those are really fun. Yeah, those are fun.

And you learn how you have to lead them, and you learn, like, how to shoot with a shotgun where you're kind of like, you kind of, it's almost like feel. Like you feel where the pellets are going to go and you want the disc. You've got to swing your barrel, right? So when the bird is coming, you go belly, you go tail, belly, beak, and you keep, you pull. You pull the trigger as you lead the bird. So it's like throwing a football. Right.

And then they run into the pellets and they perish. So different than any other shooting that I've ever done. Because all the shooting that I've ever done, you have to be dead still. Like everything I've shot with a rifle, rather. So rifle shooting, you don't move at all. And it's just about control and controlling yourself and staying calm and not flinching when you pull the trigger. But this is so different. It's like, you know, they used to say that like the Comanche,

one of the things that was crazy was some of them weren't even really accurate with a bow. If you just gave them a bow and told them to shoot at it like a target. Right. They weren't accurate. Really? But on a horse. So on the horse, the gallop and they had this fucking zap. They knew

where that arrow was going. Wow. They're using the chaos. So what the movement and all the like the darting around like they just guide the arrow like in the middle of chaos and war. So you love archery. Do you know what? What was a game changer with art, with shooting, shooting a bow

from a horse? You know what? Invention changed everything. Probably stirrups. Thank you. Yeah, because they can hang over the side. That's right. Well, you can also stand up and break, you know, so it's like, you can stay steady and then shoot the Mongols. The Comanchee used to run, like very similarly, like that guy is a fucking bad ass. That's a Mongol, bro. That guy is so badass. That's where that guy, Shavcott comes from, I think. Yeah. But the kind of course. strength you have to have to do what that guy was just doing. Go back to that first one, Jamie. They live on horses. Oh, is it a YouTube or something? You know who can ride horses like that? Who's that who's that good at horses? Sylvester Stallone. He grew up on horses. Oh my God.

Bro, that kind of strength to be able to hang completely sideways. Like when it starts in the beginning, that's not as impressive as the very first frame. Go to the very first frame. Look at his positioning. That is bananas. That's bananas. Like his spine and his core, or so, it must be so fucking strong. Think about fighting him. If you've got a sword and you have to deal with a group of those dudes. There's a lot of bad motherfuckers from that part of the world, bro. A lot of bad

motherfuckers. Where they hunt with eagles. Shopcott is actually from the place that Borat used to always make fun of. Kazakhstan? Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan. Like, and they hate him. They're like, if he comes there, they're going to kill him. My bet. Yeah, like, because they made everybody look like a goat fucker and a retard.

And meanwhile, they're like of the fiercest fucking human beings on earth yeah you know like shopcott unfortunately just injured his knee again he did yeah man he had surgery in his knee was rehabbing his knee and blew it out again and now he has another surgery and now it's 10 months there's a few guys that had known who have done that where they got ACL reconstruction i don't know if shopcott had ACL but any kind of reconstruction of the ligaments you you feel better before you're better and you're going to be real careful you got to be real careful because what happens is when you get a reconstruction of your knee it's like say if they use a cadaver that does not

become your new tendon what that does is becomes a scaffolding for your new tendon and so your body has to proliferate that scaffolding of the dead guy's tendon with fresh tendon meat. Really? And eventually it becomes your tendon. But you have to wait for it to do that. But it feels good right away. But you've got a rotten old piece of meat in there that your body is taking over with its own tissue. Wow. Did you, didn't you have that done? I had that done. And how long to take you? Six months. Really? Yeah, six months I was doing Jiu-Jitsu again. But you couldn't do anything until then. No, I was being really smart. I was really smart about it because that was my second

knee reconstruction. I had my left knee reconstructed too. That was a Patellite. tendon graft and that one took a lot longer to heal because you're taking a chip out of your bone a chip out of your shin and a slice of your patella tendon which is a very thick large tendon and then they open you up like a fish and screw both of them in place it's very invasive whereas the one on the right knee um the ACL reconstruction with a cadaver was a really easy recovery like uh i was i went to a party like six days later with just a brace on just walking around damn yeah it was not bad at all I mean, I was careful with it, you know, but I was very diligent with the rehab, like, every day.

I was doing rehab every day and, like, really doing it. Like, not bullshitting around. I was doing, like, I would go in the steam shower and do deep squats. Wow. You know what protects me? Rebuilt all the tissue before I ever even thought about doing jiu-jitsu again. But jiu-jitsu six months later, no problem at all. Wow.

What protects me is my moderate temperament. I'm good at like you being like I can feel a little something I'll be stopping now you know you probably don't have that gene you just keep on I'm terrible at that that's why I get hurt sometimes because I meet head my way through things fuck I just decided to push

through the pain and next thing you know you get something legitimately wrong well that's it like I was doing toes to bar and hanging and I my wrist has never been the same like you hurt your wrist yeah I broke something or did something where I it's all you know there's a certain angles

I know. But the problem is you're way more fragile than you realize. You are, for sure. Yeah. Well, I am unfortunately. Unfortunately. You know what I've been doing every day? Every day I hang for two minutes.

Every day. Every day. It's really good. And it's new. I've only been doing it like the last few weeks. Well, what do you get out of it? I think I feel better like my spine feels better. I've been doing a bunch of things at the same time.

So it's hard to tell what has the most impact. I think they all have a lot of impact. But one of the things I've been doing is, like, I go to this guy and get trigger point work, trigger point massage. It's so painful. It's some of the most fucking, it's not massage. You can call it massage. It's this guy's digging elbows and knuckles into, like, your IT band. Oh, fuck.

Yeah. My calves? If you do that to my calves, I'll fucking cry. Different parts of your spine, different parts of your calves, your legs, your lower back, all that stuff. But also hanging every day. And the more I hang in the beginning I was like I wonder if this is going to like really help anything or if it's just me trying to see how long

it can hang. And so now I do two minutes. I just hang there for two minutes. Yeah. I can go to 237. That's the longs I've gone. Right now I'm like 202. But I wonder probably first of all makes your hands really strong. It makes my hands real strong.

They're very callous now like maybe more callous than they've ever been. They've always been kind of callous from kettlebells. But now I'm getting different ones, like on the front fingers, the pointer fingers. I always get my calisos on the right where the ring finger is for some reason on both hands. It's the biggest calis. I guess that's where I grip the hardest or where it grinds around the most. But my back feels better.

This feels like looser. Like it's got, it's like it's, and I'm like, okay, well, I've only done this for a few weeks every day. Like, what if I do this every day for a year? Like, what happens? Can you actually decompress your spine? What turns are you can? So I started going on YouTube and following people's hanging journeys. Yeah.

This is one lady. She, I guess she broke the world record. She hung for 23 minutes. What? Isn't it funny? What? A human body, you can train yourself to do almost how you can adapt, but that's nuts. There's people out there that are just different than you.

There are people that I know that. They have, not just you, like everybody listening, they have a different will. Their will is different. The kind of will that you have to have to hang from a bar for 23 fucking minutes is so crazy. This guy does it for two hours and 22 minutes. What? You can switch in arms, obviously, but yeah, it's the long. You know what? Life is too long.

Oh, I think that lady has the lady's record. Life is too short to hang from a bar that long. Two hours and 22 minutes. That's pretty crazy, though. It's crazy. That guy must be a fucking some kind of crazy rock climber, right? His body, and his body looks pretty normal. Well, it's all really about your hands.

hands and your grip if you are a rock climber i mean you have to have leg strength and flexibility and a bunch of other things as well for sure yeah but god your grip is what keeps you alive without your grip you don't have jack shit right but um this lady that was doing it i was just watching her doing she was doing the same thing she was like switching hands and shit so you give you your left hand a break and then you hold on with your right hand your right hand a break along your left i think your body i do it i i find that the game changer for me was when i stopped stretching and started stretching and started strengthening, right? So you can stretch. You should do some stretching, but my routine before I wrestle or something is to strengthen. So I'll warm it up. So I do, I do strengthening

exercises for my lower back and all that stuff, right? Like planks and stuff like bird dogs and fire hydrants and, you know, all that shit. And that stuff is that, that's been the game changer. Like with my shoulders, I was getting tendonitis, right? And then I just started doing all these different shoulder things with bands right before I do it. And sure enough, you get stronger my neck same thing my neck people don't work their neck like as they get older at all i think your neck is really important oh for sure what do you do i do that iron you know that and then i get a band sometimes and i'll just turn like that like i'll be on my the best thing about the iron neck in my opinion is there's other stuff that you could do like harnesses where you do

like chin ups like like you think of but you have this harness around your head and then there's a chain at the end of the chain is a dumbbell and then what you're you're you you're doing is just using your neck to lift the weights. The guy from Iron Neck had a real good point. He's like that puts like weird stress on your all those different discs. It does? Yeah, yeah. So when you're doing this? When you're, yeah. And he's like, you can really get hurt. Whereas what you want to do is strengthen your neck so that it doesn't do that, right, in all sports. In sports, it's very rare that you use your neck like that. I used to use my neck in jiu-jitsu and i actually started developing a problem i had a bulging disc for a while and that it was

one it was also definitely getting caught and not tapping like a dumb ass but two it was arm triangles i was i had a really good arm triangle head and arm choke so if i got mount on someone and i was able to isolate that arm that i am i have a really good head and arm choke but in that head and arm choke i'm using my neck it's part of the reason why it's good because i have a thick neck so because if i can get your arm right here I got another weapon Like you're thinking about my arms holding on to you But I'm holding on to you with this

And this is strong as fuck If I get you in this position And I'm holding that arm there But the problem was I was developing Like a real pinched nerve And then it wound up making my fingertips numb and then that's when I found Other chiropractors or quacks

I went to a chiropractor for like a year And just gave this guy money to bullshit me It was like god damn it made me so mad Your foot. Press it on the top of my head to see if I had a bulging disc. I'm not kidding. I go, maybe I have a bulging disc. And I just thought this guy was cool.

I thought he was a doctor as well. I did know that chiropractors go to zero days of medical school and they get to call themselves a doctor. I also didn't know that chiropractic, the whole idea of it was founded by a magnetic healer who, like, it came to him like a seance or some shit. He was a complete fraud. And his son, who was a con artist, took over the business. son ran over him with a car by the way killed that guy yeah son killed the dad

ran over him with the car and then took over his business and then started saying that you know the cracking people's backs can fix leukemia and all kinds of sure you have to align your meridian points oh yeah all the horseshit it's all made up stuff

but there is something beneficial about manipulating your spine though this is what's interesting right there's something beneficial about massage and a lot of the other things that are doing there they're essentially loosening up like this trigger point shit that I told you I've been doing that's the extreme version of it which I think is way more effective but there's something to the manipulation

well it releases it's all but there's also a lot of people that have had fucking serious consequences of getting their neck cracked where they have strokes correct and like things fuck like this a this a guy I just saw on the news the other day that had compartment syndrome where he's like he can't move his body anymore because he went to a chiropractor and before is like this like smiley happy guy like nightmare and again this is not all chiropractors a lot of chiropractors I'm sure give you benefit because I think there's something too like loosening you up well no it's not just that on you and there's a physical therapy aspect this episode is brought to you by simply safe the world can be scary sometimes I mean take the news for example it feels like

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But that's what he really is. He shouldn't be saying he's a doctor. Correct. That's what's crazy. It's not that there's no benefit to it. It's like they all want to call themselves doctor too. You know, I'm Dr. Rogan. Like, come on.

You know who the, you know Squat University? you ever follow that account? Mm-mm. Oh, dude. That guy, everybody I know, he trains Olympic weightlifters and real Olympians, and he'll show you

what he knows the body so well, and this is the greatest. I DM him because people I respect we're talking about how they follow him, like I know a lot of trainers who follow him and stuff. And if you go to his thing, you'll see he demonstrates

how somebody will have an impingement. This is an Olympic weightlifter or something. Pain for two years. And then he'll give them an exercise, literally an exercise and it will actually change them almost instantaneously or within a couple of days right and because he really understands the body so i had heel pain really bad heel pain i would wake up and i couldn't walk so it's like was a plan of fasciitis what's going on you had gout son yeah right and so i go to a couple of podiatrists and they make me the implants it's like you just need

art support and all that i dm him i can't remember his name and And he said, you know, I'm going to send you a video on a guy. Your shoes may be too narrow. And what's going on? You do wear those fucking goofy eyes. Not anymore, bro. Dress shoes. What are going to do that?

I got my lackeys on. But I did. I would wear those kind of, you know, you want to be cool. And what was happening is my big toes being pulled. Every time I would wear a blazer, I would sometimes be like, I'm going to wear a blazer in a color shirt. And I'd walk in it and you'd go, hey, you're teaching substitute school? You're a substitute teacher again? I'd be like fuck this man take it off so much for that

anytime I wear a collard shirt Well you're wearing slippery shoes Oh yeah you're wearing those weird dress shoes that are slippery I try to change it up I'm like I'm gonna dress like an adult I want to be like Jordan Peterson but it never lasts You can't do it Yeah you gotta give up on that But he told me he goes he said I think what's happening

Is your your big toes being pushed in And sometimes that cuts blood off to your heel So your heel is actually atric is actually getting necrosis, it's actually dying. You're not getting blood there. Wait a minute. The blood has to go through the heel

to get to the big, it's not like, does it go that way? Yep, there's an artery. It goes all the way to the end. When you push here. Which is the end of the line, which is your toes. As a doctor, I can tell you,

as you push here. And then it turns around, and goes through the heel. Whatever this, when this happens, it blocks the blood flow. It blocks the artery that's taken blood. I wore wide toe shoes like that. Within five days, all my pain was gone.

That's crazy. Yeah. That makes sense, though. And no podiatrist knew that. He did because he studies the body because he works with the top athletes. And if he doesn't get results, he doesn't get paid. That's who you have to look at. Also, do podiatrist ever tell you you should do foot exercises?

Well, do you go to a podiatrist and they say what you really need to do is wear barefoot shoes and pull a sled? You know? Like when I do foot exercises, use some of those like vivo barefoot shoes and pull a sled. Yeah. Yeah. You'll get strong. You'll feel every little part of your foot, like pushing, and that's how they're supposed to engage. You know, traditional shoes are essentially like a cast.

There's this hard thing that separates you from the ground. So your toes don't articulate and push, and everything is just like from the leg into this cast and that pushes down because it's like this big spongy hard surface that you put your fucking foot into. How much you do, how often, like how many, you work out, like, how long a day? Every day, at least an hour. That's a lot. I like to do a couple hours, though, because I like to have, like, especially of them strength training, I like to have long weights in between exercises. It allows you to fully recover before you do it again.

How heavy do you go? That's, it's all based on Pavel Tatzuline. It's all from the Russians, like how they would train kettlebells. And his philosophy is that strength is a skill, and you should never do a skill when you're tired. So if you're doing like power cleans, like if I'm doing cleans and presses, I'm waiting five minutes in between each set. I'm waiting a long time. Really? At least.

Sometimes 10. So you're doing Olympic? And I don't care. Olympic weight lifting. No, no, kettlebell stuff. Oh, okay. So I'm cleaning and pressing, like, the heaviest I usually use is like 70 pounds. Every now and then I'll fuck around

I have a big foot one It's like 92 I'll bust out some reps with the big foot But most of the time I'm doing 70 pounds That's my heavy And what is that for you? So I do sets Three sets of 10 cleans and presses

And by the 10th How tired are you? Not tired at all That's the whole thing The whole thing is you get all the reps That you would get If you smashed them all together If you only took a minute off

In between each set And you went through it So you get all the strength But what you're not doing is you're not operating under fatigue. So it's not... So you're not pushing a failure? No. And it's not a muscular endurance. No, you're not pushing failure at all, which is also I thought was crazy. The philosophy is it's not the failure that gets you strong. It's the amount of repetitions. The whole thing is the amount of repetitions.

Now, if you do three sets of 10 and you do them back to back, boy, you get to that third set, you might barely be able to get up that 10th rep, right? Because you're exhausted. because you've done cleans and presses you gave yourself like a minute rest in between sets and then you went and did it again and a minute rest in between the third set and then you're fucking tired as shit but if you're waiting 10 minutes

in between each set you're doing the same amount of work but easily so you have a less of a chance of getting hurt and your goal is not muscular endurance your goal when you're doing strength training is just strength

That's what you're trying to do So the whole way to get strong It's not going to failure This is their philosophy You can argue it if you want And especially body builders I'm sure would argue with it Because it's a different thing

We're just trying to get massive But his thought is If you can do Say 20 reps to failure Don't do that Do 10 And then wait a long time And then do another 10

And it's just as good As doing 20 sets to failure Yeah The whole thing that gets you strong Is just work It's just the numbers and it allows your body to fully recover so that you can you when you lift it up like if you go to clean the second set You're you're fully engaged. You feel good. You feel rested. You feel strong and then you bust out those sets And then you wait again. I wait fucking maybe 10 minutes. I'm just sitting around I'm 10 minutes. Yeah, I watch a YouTube video

maybe I stretch and then I get out and I do it again so those are the long day so when I have a lot of time that's how I like to work out I like to work out in these long two hour chunks

I got small kids bro that's never happening yeah but if you get up in the morning you can do it if you get up before everybody else or if you do it and everybody's asleep you could do it

but the point is if you want to like that that's a way to get strong that I think you lessen your chances of injury you're always got a chance of injury you're lifting heavy things

but I don't lift things that are that heavy and the heaviest thing I lift really is my body I do a lot of body weight squats a lot of body weight stuff pull-ups dips chin-ups yeah I do a lot of stuff L chin-ups you know where your feet are extended and you're doing chin-ups like this I do a lot of those and I do those toe to bars

I do those like you're talking about those suck but they're really good for your abs I do a lot of ab stuff I have like a heavy core ab routine But I've always kind of done that It's really important for kicking Like kicking You know

People think it's in the legs And it certainly is But a lot of it is In the torque That you generate with your core That's really where the power comes from It comes from here A real powerful kick is all for

It's all And the leg kind of follows through with it But when you dig into it If you have a weak core There's no way you're going to generate Enough force to even get that leg moving correctly. I love that we're 58 and talking about

the importance of kicking and torque. I could think that way. I could think, oh, I'm 58, why do I think like that? No, I love it. I just think what I like. I was just working on my double leg. What are you talking about? Who are you talking to right now?

But also, more importantly, I do the work to make sure that my body can still do this at 58. If you're, like, 58, and you're a male man and you've been drinking every night and you haven't gone to the gym at six months. You're like, I'm going to go kick the bag. Slow down. Slow down.

You're going to get hurt. Started five minutes. Yeah, you got to build, like you say, oh, Rogan hangs for two minutes. I'm going to go hang for two minutes. First of all, you're not, and you're going to hurt yourself. Like, don't. If you want to start hanging, hang for 15 seconds. Just do that every day for 15 seconds.

And then one day you'll be able to do 30, pretty easy. And then next thing you know, you'll be doing a minute. I always say that to me. I say, don't wait, hey, hey, you're going to get back to working out. You don't have to do an hour. Actually start with 10 minutes. Start with 10 minutes. Super light.

Literally 10 minutes. You don't want to do much. Pushups, sit-ups, body weight squats. That's it. Feel the difference. So you feel like stimulated. You have energy, right? Instead of like my old trainer, I love him, Lou Parada, he would say, stimulate, don't annihilate.

He was the same way. He's 60, he's 70 now. Same thing. Yeah, because that's the thing about being a meathead. It's like your meatheadedness can actually get in the way of progress. Yeah. Like you can actually learn better if you're not exhausted, right? But there's like a lot of jiu-jitsu schools that have you do shit like, like, like,

When I used to train at Carlson Gracie's, the warm-up was so brutal. By the time you got to actually training, that was like a break. It was a break. It was a leak I can hold on to this guy. You know, I don't have to fucking do somersaults over and over again. You would do all these different bodyweight things. They would do like duck walks and bear crawls. But their idea was, hey, you should be fit enough that you could do all this shit and it's easy.

And then you start training. then you're fit to train, and it'll help your training. And they're right, they're right. However, if you're trying to teach people something, the worst way to teach them is when they're exhausted. So if you can say, like, Carl Gotch famously, he's a famous catch wrestling guru, who was a great wrestler back in like, God,

I think it was all the 50s and 60s, back when catch wrestling was legit. Like they would wrestle. What is catch wrestling? It's an American-style submission wrestling that a lot of these submissions actually, you know, when you think about... Is that Ken Shamrock and stuff? No, Ken Shamrock, Ken Shamrock had a little bit of that for sure. You know, Ken Shamrock was a hybrid, you know, he did a lot of training in Japan, and he was a leglock guy before anybody was.

Like, Ken Shamrock won some of the early UFCs with heel hooks. Nobody even knew what the fuck was going on. And he was also a massive human being, too. That was part of it. like Ken Shamark was fucking jacked it was so strong um but their whole thing was all about conditioning like the lion's den they had this famous crucible they would put recruits through like if you wanted to train with the lion's den you had to go you had to go through hell they had this crazy like bud style strength and conditioning routine then you had to spar everybody you had a spar the

whole team they beat the fuck out of each other because back in those days nobody knew what sparring light was all about. No. Like, everybody, like, knock each other out. Everybody beat the fuck out of each other. So it's like, but that's not, you produce animals when you do that, but you're not going to produce the most technical guys for most of the people. Most of the most technical guys, what they think of, there's two, you have to compartmentalize

two different things, like toughness, like in training, if you're doing cardio, if you're doing hill sprints, if you're doing live drills, there's toughness but then there's also, you go out of really no technique and technique is the king of all when it comes to MMA. Sure, but in Jiu-Jitsu it's even

more important. In MMA it's even more important because there's more aspects to the game and if you're like, did you see the UFC this weekend? Did you see Olivera versus Gamrod? No. Bro, it was a tour de force of Jiu-Jitsu. Really? The moment Gamrod, because Gamrod is a

sick wrestler. Mattal Scamrott. He's a nasty wrestler. Where is he from? Like, that part of the world that you're terrified of? I don't want to miss be.

The old country? The hills? Poland. There you go. Hard-ass motherfucker. Beast of a wrestler. I mean, just a fucking animal. He took Charles Olivera down right away

and was immediately in terrible trouble. Like every step of the way. He was getting Omaplotta and triangle and this. and that and Olivera just dominated him on the ground. And then when it comes to stand up, well, Olivera's better stand up than him. So they go on the feet

and Gameraut's fucked, he's getting lit up on the feet by Olivera, and then Oliver takes him down and strangles him, takes his back and chokes him out because the first guy to ever finish Gameraw, but it just showed the importance of technique, technique, finishing technique, not just holding technique and taking a guy down technique, which Gammarad has a fuckload of, but he does. doesn't have the jujitsu technique that Oliver has. But he could have.

He could have had that. As good a wrestler as he is, if that guy just dead and Eddie Bravo used to say this years and years and years ago, he was like, these wrestlers, they all want to study like anti-jiu-jitsu. They all want to take everybody down and have, you know, just avoid the jujitsu, avoid the submissions. That's what they concentrate on the most. He's like, instead of just learning all those submissions and just, you know, just just annihilating people.

But they, in their mind, they were competing against Jiu-Jitsu. Oh, that's interesting. So it was like, the wrestlers had a show, we're the toughest, we're going to get on top and ground and pound down. My tribe is better than your tribe. 100%. And Eddie was like, if they could just abandon that and fall in love with Jiu-Zitsu, they'd be the most dangerous people alive.

Wow. Because they're already the best in grappling. That's so interesting. And that makes total sense. Total sense. Learning your enemy. Like really learning. Well, just stop being on.

a team yeah you're you're trying to be a fighter right if you're an MMA fighter stop this I represent Taekwondo shit that's no you don't you're just you know you have some skills don't don't let the fact that you have an idea in your head see we all have the we we've we formed these ideas a lot of those ideas aren't formed by where I am emotionally to begin with I'm defending something typically I'm gonna be defending how I grew up my parents what's worked for me my city all that shit you know Yeah, my culture.

And what happens is you start identifying with your ideas. And it's just an idea. So be open to having your mind changed based on evidence. Well, just don't be married to your ideas, that's for sure. But the most important thing is like, think about Bruce Lee, right? What did he figure out? He figured out before anybody absorb what is useful. Take from all martial arts.

You know, you don't have to call it a new thing anymore because Jit Kundo is what we're all doing, really. where if you're doing MMA, you're doing Jek Kundo. You're doing what he's, he just said take a little bit of everything that works, no matter what it is. But also like technique, like when you watch how they bring boxers up, like Virgil Hunter, you know, in his camp, Andre Berto and Andre Ward, man, to watch how they, like the old school boxers, I love watching them. I love watching how they train. Like they will, they do stuff like everything you do, like this guy, coach Anthony, people like that. that if you watch them, everything is considered. And you work on your jab, you work on how to set that jab up.

Gordon Ryan talks about that, too, like with Jiu-Jitsu, start on the bottom. Start on the bottom. How is your half-guard? What's it like? How do you get out of a mount? Start your entire repertoire, your technique at the worst part and understand that. But with boxing, when you watch like footwork, it's all footwork, man. It's such a different thing.

It's like how you step, where you punch. Trumps. I don't know it was Canelo Alvarez versus Terrence Crawford. Crawford always had his foot on the outside. He was in perfect position. Defense was flawless. I love watching that. That is a masterclass. It was a master class. Because there was one point in the fight

where Terrence was pity pat him. So what he'll do is he'll pity pat you and then load up with big shots. But he was so dominant that he could stand in front of Canello Alvarez who's one of the most feared boxers in the history of all time. Of the sport. No doubt.

And Terrence Crawford is sitting in front of him going, pat, pat, pat, pap, pat, pap, pap, pap, whip. Damn. Just, it was crazy. I was like, look, and he's pitty patting him, which is almost disrespectful. Well, you know what Alvarez said, he goes, I couldn't figure him out. How about that? I couldn't figure out. That's what I think fighting at the highest level.

It's two people trying to solve. Like, what are these patterns you're doing? How can I cut you off at that before you finish that pattern? Duran used to, people would say when they fought Duran, They would say he's reading my mind. And they would say he's reading my mind because he knew he could see what you were doing. He'd been there. He's like, I know where you're going with this.

He was also so raw. He might have been reading your mind. Fuck, man. He was such a savage. In his early days, like people see Duran, you see Duran like when he fought Davy Moore and I ran Barclay and those guys. That's a Duran that's 30 plus pounds over his best fighting weight. His best fighting weight was 135. Dude, he fought.

And Barclay was a. Iran Barclay was, I think, fought it 67, maybe even bigger, and he fought him at that weight. Yeah, and he knocked him out. Yeah. Go see if you can find Roberto Durand versus Ken Bucannon. This is when he won the lightweight title, when he was young and, like, super skinny. Way before he fought Leonard. It's crazy.

It's probably a black and white fight. It's close to a human pit bull as possible. He was a fucking badger, dude. Just a ferocious man with excellent technique. That's what poverty. pairing people apart. That's what not having a food, literally, in Panama does to you. Yeah, and also a long history of combat sports in Panama as well.

It's like, it's not like a unique thing to be a boxer in Panama. So you're dealing with iron sharpens iron, excellent technique. Oh, it is in color. He was so beautiful. Boy, look how shitty it looks. What year is this? 72? It's upscaled.

Oh, it's upscaled. This is what every UFO video is. Bro, he was so good. They use this camera. Look how skinny is. Wow. it's crazy yeah bro when you when you when you when you are a real boxer like that that's what you do you don't look muscle bound well in his defense I mean he was a young man and he was

but he was a lot thicker when he fought Leonard at 47 it looked a lot better he's got a brian calum body that's what I like about it but he hit him low a lot as well he was very rough like in the infighting occasionally he would great great infighter probably knew where the referee was too you know back then there was no Replay. Ken Beaconon was very good, too. You ever see me getting a boxing lesson from Sugar Ray Leonard in Sylvester Stallone's house? You ever see that? I haven't put on Instagram. No, we're watching really good boxing. I don't know why you even burn that up. Sorry.

Oh, he got caught there. Yeah. Oh, Ken Beaconan was legit. Damn. Wow. I mean, it was a crazy fight. Was this at 35? And this was for the lightweight title. It was a crazy scrap of a fight, man. Scoot ahead so you could watch someone like the later action. Buchanan was something else, huh? Oh, yeah, he was world champion. You know, I'd never heard of him until just now.

It was a tough guy. Wow. Is he wearing a quilt? I'm pretty sure that's how Duran won the title. I don't think Duran was defending the title. I think Duran... Look at that shot. Dude.

Bro, when you watch these guys and you think about, like, how long it takes to get this good at boxing? How much time? time had no he wasn't that old yet i'm saying i'm saying but how much time spent like trying to under fire figure out when to connect to someone's face no i was saying uh what's his name uh crawford said this this has been a 30 year career he's been fighting for 30 years oh yeah if you think about it well and also terence crawford's been fighting smart for 30 years he doesn't get hit a lot that's like uh which is nuts that's got Hopkins Hopkins never got hurt i mean until he fought joe smith

and got knocked out of the ring. He fell on his head. 50 with a gray beard. Crazy. By the way, fought from 40 to 50, nobody could beat him in a division that required speed, never got hit. He's a genius. Yeah, he's one of the all times of great. To me, like people talk about the greatest athletes and stuff.

They never talk about what he was able to accomplish at his age in that division. That has to be part of the conversation. Well, by the time he fought Felix Trinidad, people thought he was done already. That was, I think he was 36. at the time when he knocked out Trinidad. People thought he was over. And then, you know, he just... Have you had him on this podcast?

Yeah. Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah, man. I'm a huge fan of that guy. God. So smart. And, you know, his lessons from prison, too. He's like, I'm never going back.

And they said to him when he's leaving, we'll see you soon. He's like, no, no, no, not me, bitch. And just lived a very... He used to run with a tennis ball, apparently. Yeah, yeah. That's obsession. Yeah. Well, that's how you become a Bernard Hopkins.

That's how you get out of where he was. are too right exactly you got a plan your escape the thing about terence though is like terence is like an artist like what he did in there it's like god i go watch clips from that fight over and over again probably for decades he's an artist yeah like what he's doing in there it's like he's like not just beating you he's he's beating canelo alvarez and kind of making them look a little silly and doing it with the highest stakes humanly possible with a guy that can break your face with one punch i mean he's minimal missiles are headed his way and he's like nope I know nope catching the shots not here but I'm here

bam he hit him so many times where Conello had whiffed and then he would counter it's like god that's so pretty that's so pretty because like to be in the fire so like there's guys that could move real good and they were really hard to hit like Willie Pepp you know Willie Pepp had crazy footwork Mayweather mayweather but stand right in front of you though it's a bad example because what I'm saying is like these guys that are hard to hit that aren't moving they're right in front of you and you can't hit them that's Mayweather like but there's guys that were they're hard to hit but they were real mobile like Michael Venham page and MMA is a great example you can't hit that so beautiful she's moving in and out so fast like you can't I heard he was at the mother ship

yeah he was there but I missed him see look at this boom I mean there's missiles coming his way he's like nope pop bro he's so slick like Every time Canella would throw so. You see him catch that body shot with his elbow? Yep. You're not touching him. Catch it and then fire right back. And he did get tagged a couple times.

But even there, as Canella rushes in, he gets popped. You make one mistake with Canella, though, you're going out. Oh, yeah. That margin for air. Look at this. And he catches it. That is so pretty. That is so pretty.

Look at that. And to do that two weight classes above the normal weight. That is one weight class above the previous World Championship that he held. Meanwhile, he was 187. Do you know that? Yeah. Oh, no. Listen, man.

When I talked to him, it was, I talked to him on the podcast a couple of years ago, and he wanted this fight really bad. How thick was he? He was normal size, you know, but he did it the right way. He took a long time in between fights. He did a lot of dead lifts and there's a lot of, like, strength and conditioning videos of him. We see him, like, really working hard and really, like, put on quality mass, where he did it slowly over the, You know, he didn't get roided up and then just gain a bunch of muscle. It's useless.

He did it smoothly and slowly, so he kept all of his skills, but now he had more size and now he had more strength. All skills, all speed, everything was still there. Because that's an illusion, too. People think you're going to get slower if you get bigger. That's not real. It depends. You're not going to get, unless you get really crazy bodybuilder big, like Mr. Olympia big. But Evander Holyfield didn't slow down when he moved up to heavyweight.

He actually got more fit and picked up his punching power. You know, it's like you can put on muscle and you can get stronger and still be fast. And Terrence totally showed that in that fight. That fight was just, that fight was what boxing is really all about. Yeah, I love it. It's like boxing is one of the few, it's such an honest place in this crazy world where I don't know where the fuck the truth is. Like, I don't know about you. So you get the judge's decision.

Yeah, well, that's true. That's a problem. That's a problem with them in May, too. is but that's that even that is a little bit like I've been pretty good at predicting after the fight kind of going I think this guy won you know it used to be pretty bad almost got fucked in that fight he was only if he didn't win the last two rounds he would have lost that fight well canella so loved him you know that's not good no I mean in terms of like a judge you're you shouldn't be looking at how much someone's loved you should be looking at of course

everybody loves I love Canella but I wonder if the judge gets into the ring You have to judge him on his performance in the ring, period. That's it. I know, but you know human beings. You love somebody. You already have your mind. I know corruption, Brian. Yeah.

I know Vegas odds. That's true. I know gambling. There's a lot. There's a lot you have to take into consideration. A lot of these people live in Vegas. You don't think they know fucking degenerate gamblers. You don't think they owe money.

You don't think maybe something's going on. A lot of these guys, like, and gals, by the way, they were connected to super shady people back in the day and decisions were fucked with because of gambling odds yeah what was that one bradley remember uh manny pack you know tim bradley yeah wow yeah that same lady she also she she she'd scored a few that were like what but that was a big one that was a big one but that's also you have to think of that when you see a big fucking decision like that where it's funky you got to go If I was a gambler, all you have to do is get one person, say if you're betting on a split decision.

You have to just one person in the bag. You just got one person that scores it the other way no matter what. And you give that person 200 grand, and now you're going to make 20 million. That's real. Like, people do stuff like that. At least they have in the past. Of course they have. Well, let me ask you this.

As you, you know, with AI and as we get better and better at these, videos that you can't tell whether it's real or not you know I really wonder maybe it's good maybe just stopped looking that's what I was thinking that's what I was thinking we're wasting our fucking live staring at that's right my mind that's what my whole special is about it's called false gods because that be that has become that is what we're bent over in prayer with we're always looking at it all the time yeah that dopamine scroll right we're just a nation of drug addicts if there's a drug that made you stare at your hand all day fuck you'd avoid that's why that's literally the theme of what I wrote about so I was

Like, I find myself, like, I find myself going, I'm not going to look at my phone, and then I get sucked in. And there's fun, good things to watch, whether it's old interviews, whether it's snippets of this, but it's a highlight reel, man. It's like mining for gold, though, in a really shitty spot. Like, you're not getting a lot of gold. No, you're not. Every now and then you get a little gold flake, some funny meme. Ah! And then I'll send it to all my friends.

But I find out the really funny ones, they make it to me anyway. Yeah. Like, that's what I really want. I really want the funny thing. So the funny things, like funny memes and shit like that, they'll make it to me no matter what. You know what I've done? I was listening to a political podcast. My buddy walked by.

He said something so cool because he's done really well in life. And he goes, oh, you're listening to the weather again? And I was like, fuck, man. I am. I'm either listening because I want somebody to confirm my bias or I'm listening because I maybe want to hear something I kind of already know or it'll be a different twist that somehow in my mind I can use as an argument against somebody. already disagree with you it's all that shit right i listen to i'm fucking reading novels now i'm

not doing it anymore i'm fucking done well novels are cool yeah i'm just i i my problem is i don't think you do this at all but i do know there are people you can make a lot of money in the podcast space in the influencer space if you draw strong good guy bad guy narratives and if you can make those narratives biblical, please, now you're really in the money. And I'm always worried of that. I'm always wary of that reductionist kind of idea that bringing, I do think there are sometimes there are good guys and bad guys. I think there is good and evil. I think that's a worthy conversation to have. But man, you got to be careful about getting sucked into those narratives because sometimes it's not that simple. Well, it's also what we were talking about earlier, people that aren't good at

anything in their life. And their life gets captured by whatever team they're on, whether they're Democrats or Republicans. Correct. And that becomes your whole identity. So how do you avoid it? Don't be a retard. Jesus Christ, it's a rig game. It's a rig game and you're going to jump in with your dick in your hand.

Like, what are you doing? It's dumb. Don't be a retort. People always want me to say I'm a Republican or say I'm a Democrat. Like, I am, I mostly think in a left way, mostly. But I also am a firm believer in discipline and human nature. Personal responsibility. Personal responsibility.

and willpower. I think willpower is a real thing. I've lived my whole life with it. I know what it is. And so to pretend that it's not, and some people, you know, they don't just need to get their fucking shit together.

That's not helpful for them. It's not really kind and compassionate because it's not being honest with them. By telling people they're fine the way they are, no, you're not. You know, you should be on a goal of constant self-improvement. Yes.

Doesn't mean you have to be an asshole. You know, and that's the other thing. People that are weak bitches, They always want to conflate being disciplined and having personal responsibility with being an asshole. No, you can be a really nice person and still, you know, you don't have to be a shithead just because you take care of yourself and you're healthy. It's like, this is a scam. Exactly. It's a cover that weak bitches throw out there.

I know you're less inflamed than me, but let's calm down, you know. It's nonsense. It's like people just get so tribal. And the reason why they do it is because they don't have anything else in their life. They don't have anything that's really important. interesting in their life. So they get like completely captured by politics. You see this now with like, you got to give Trump some credit for bringing peace to a part of the world where, you know, that's been at war since Moses had a parting of the ways with the Pharaoh. Yeah, and it was a lot.

They had to give up a lot, right? They had to give up. How many Palestinian prisoners did they have to give up? 250? And a lot of them are, you know. Those poor Israelis that have been there for two years and what has happened to those people during that time. But imagine being an Israeli prisoner. You're in Gaza, and they're just starving, and they're shilling the fuck out of that place for two years and never thinking you're going to get home to your family again. Fuck. So are they released now? Have they been released? All 20 living hostages have been released.

Some of them are in really bad conditions, so they don't want to show them on the camera because they've got to be. Starving to death. Yeah, they're right in the hospital. Well, they're probably never going to be the same again. No. You know, that's the thing about starving to death is like your organs. have massive damage like um yeah i knew this guy but holly was quiet his his dad had been captured in vietnam and uh tortured and starved and he was never the same again physically even

after he came back and put the weight back on like he's his body was fucked up yeah from the torture from and from the starvation and the stress man yeah yeah yeah yeah everything it's just amazing that he survived no sunlight living in a tunnel for two years well well You know, whatever, whatever Trump had to do to do this, what's fascinating is watching people's reaction where they don't want to reluctantly give him credit for it. Yeah. Because it's not just this. He's negotiated multiple peace agreements between African countries that have been at war for decades. Yep. And this is just one more that he's done on top of that.

And it's like people can't get past what they think of him in terms of the bluster or. or maybe the Epstein files or there's, like, look, there's no perfect person that's going to be president. And to pretend it's Barack Obama is crazy. If you really look at Barack Obama's, what his legacy and what he actually brought to the United States in terms of punishment of whistleblowers, drone deaths, some fucking crazy number, like plus 80% of the people

who killed by drones were innocent. Incredible. There's a lot. But that doesn't mean he wasn't a great spokesman and a great representative of America because he certainly was because he was brilliant and articulate and just seemed calm and measured and all those things are great. But the reality is this fucking country is bought and paid for by huge financial interests who would like us to go bomb places because they make bombs. They make weapons and those weapons cost a fuckload of money and they come up with all sorts of cute reasons why we should go fuck up Yemen. Have you had Lindy Lee on your podcast? No, but I was going to get to this point.

But also, you have to have weapons because the rest of the world is fucked. So it's like you have to have this balanced perspective on this stuff. Like we don't want war. We should never want war. You should celebrate a president that his core idea is no more war. Some people are like, yeah, but he bombed Iran, right? I think he had to. I think it was like one of these things with Israel, with a negotiator.

I'll bomb the site. I'll tell him to leave. Jesus Christ, because, you know, Israel's just bombing their shit out of Gaza. And they're like, they don't care about human shields. And they're like, fuck you. You attacked us. It's over. We're going to wipe you out.

So this guy is, what he's done is if it sticks. So here's the thing. Does it stick? I don't know. I mean, they've always, they've come to multiple peace agreements in the past. Didn't Hamas murder literally 32 members of one family because they were collaborating, quote, unquote, with Israel? In the street, do you see that? They shot them in the head? They shot a few guys. I saw a few.

It was more than a few. Well, I only saw one where there was the three guys they shot in front of everybody. And they probably were. That's the thing. The Mossad and the IDF are brilliant, right? The reason why they got all those pagers to those guys and then blew their dicks off is because, it's because. they're fucking geniuses, right? The reason why they invented Pegasus, the ability to just listen to your fucking phone, read all your text messages, get all your dickpicks, all that stuff, because they're brilliant. And of course they infiltrate every organization. That's how they get all their information. They literally have a soldier that is so dedicated to Israel

that they give their life to go pretend to be Hamas and probably even commit terror just so that that can be legit, and then that person will feed all the information to Israel. That's right. I mean, you have to have, like, the people who love Israel, like, you know, you could be one of those people like, I hate Zionist, I hate Zionism, I hate what they've done, I get it. But what they are doing is the, like, most black belt version of tribalism, the most black belt version of because they have to. Well, because every threat for Israel is existential.

One of the things I think of the strength of Israel, it's a fascinating idea because when Trump made a speech at the Knesset, Bibi Netanyahu was booed by a lot of Israelis, and Trump was hailed. And the point of that is that Israel is a democracy where they're constantly arguing with each other. There's constant debate. And your job, if your prime minister or whatever, is always precarious because there are people who are always going to be critical, and they'll be Israelis, whereas there isn't this sort of monolithic

sort of idea, like the Knesset has, but the one thing that unifies Israelis, no matter what, they'll debate. You want to talk about the war in Gaza and how it was prosecuted. There's plenty of legitimate things. You level the place, that's fine. But don't make one mistake. You fucking, when they're threatened with their existence, you want to threaten the existence of Israel, they'll unify right quick.

and they'll they'll fucking blow up pagers they got a thousand ways to get to you because they have to the point is they do infiltrate those organizations and they do do that however why were you smiling just now because I just sent Jamie a funny meme oh

I'll send one I'll show you one that's more offensive that we can't show in the air but this one's one of my favorites oh I saw that I think you sent that to me I did it's so funny

see that keep this Israel will be like we took out Hamas. We should be laughing, but that's fucking ridiculous. Bro, it's funny. It is crazy. Listen, this is, you want to live? Do you want to live your life? You can't decide what's funny.

You've got to laugh. That's funny. I'm not mocking anyone's death, and I'm, I think it's a terrible thing that it happened at all. But it's also, there's, you know, this is the Charlie Kirk question when Charlie Kirk was on Patrick Bed David. It's like, why did it take so long for them to respond? Was there a stand-down order? Was there, like, so people get all conspiratorial with stuff like that. And then things get real weird because there is this thing that we don't want to believe, but we do know is true that there are certain groups in this world that are very motivated to have a war.

And no one wants to believe that. No, everyone wants to believe the only reason to have the military is because we're the just, righteous, great country of the United States of America. And we don't do anything unless we're defending ourselves. or defending some other democracy that's being destroyed by communism or whatever, right? We like to think that. That's not totally real. And Smedley Butler figured that out in 1933 when he wrote war as a racket. And that's still today.

The idea that in 2025 that that's not the case anymore, that would be very naive. And it's not just America. They profit from instability. They profit. And then it also, Bill Clinton literally said that this is Bill Clinton's words. Bibi Netanyahu wants there to be a war, so he stays in power. He said that? Bill Clinton did recently.

He's like, fuck it, I'm old. I'm going to start telling the truth. By the way, I love getting my dick sucked. Can I tell you, that's the number one reason why I became president. They all wanted to suck it. Everybody wanted to suck it once I was in that office. They did. So I fucked up, and I got one girl with a big mouth.

She was a little young. I fucked up. I got crazy. Left the spot on the dress But he was saying this And I guess he was just saying Look look the Epstein files are coming out Let me just fucking get real

Let me just get real If I've gone to your head What do you think Your best assessment Of what Epstein Who was Epstein Who was he working for? Well I don't know

Right So I'm just guessing Everybody wants to say He was working for the Mossad He very well could have been He could have been working for the CIA He could have been a guy who is

on his own but also working with them right like a guy that they used but they never fully endorsed like an asset yeah and a guy who could move money around he definitely good at laundering money the moving money around stuff

was very weird because he had money through no way than anybody could ever explain he had an enormous amount of money through no way that nobody could ever explain which you know if you're a state funded. You're funded by Israel and Israel's funded by America and, you know, there's also NGOs and non-profits and there's ways to move money around where you can give this guy money. Yeah.

So he was like, Weinstein, who is an economist, right? Weinstein's a legitimate mathematician. Eric? Yeah. So when Eric met him, his first inclination was he was a fraud. He's a construct. Yeah, a construct. And did he tell you the whole story about the girl sitting on his lap? Yep. So Epstein, while he's meeting with Eric Weinstein, for the first time, has a beautiful girl sitting on his lap, and a woman, I shouldn't say a girl.

She was a, he said she was like in her 20s. And she's sitting on his lap and he's bouncing around, so her tits are juggling around. And he's asking math questions. Yeah, talking serious. So he was obviously nerd fishing. He was fishing for nerds. And I think he caught a lot of nerds in that net. There's a lot of those guys that wound up going to that island.

They probably thought, this is great. We get to party. Nothing's free. And they probably felt like they were rock stars because they get to hang out with the intellectual elite on an island with a guy who's just a billionaire philanthropist who's eccentric who just loves women. He's a professed bachelor. And it all seemed too good to be crew. It's so true. Because it was.

So he was, I think he was an asset, whether or not it was for the Mossad strictly or Israel strictly or the United States strictly, whether it was a CIA thing. I don't know. But I think it was probably a part of a blackmail compromise effort. Yeah. Because those guys, there's a fucking dirty secret about these people that are in Congress and they party. Okay? They're regular guys and regular women. And they're in their 30s or 40s or whatever they are.

And every now and then they do Coke. And they get drunk and they... Human beings. Remember that DC Madam that had a whole book of people and then she wound up committing suicide? She said, I'm not suicidal, and I see you. Yeah, because there's probably a lot like that. And those kind of honeypot operations, they let these freaks know, like, hey, you're going to be safe with me. Charlie will take care of everything.

Look, Bill Clinton used to come here. Don't worry about it. And we're going to go to the island. And that's a big endorsement. It's like presidents we're here, so it must be a secure area. Exactly. I can get down. We are on the island with Bill.

This is fine. And all these girls show up and you're like, well, this is Christmas in July. Bill is really interested in string dairy. He'd like to talk to you about strength there. So you're sitting down there having cocktails while Bill Clinton's getting a massage from some girl was rubbing her tits against the back of his head while she's massaged. Yeah. He's like, yeah, that's really interesting. Hey, I'm going to, I'm kind of tired.

I'm going to take a nap. Another thing about black holes. Yeah. Yeah. And I think they all thought that it was this lovely exchange of powerful people and brilliant people. And then they were just getting dirt on all of them. Guys cheating on their wives. guys, whether knowingly or unknowingly having sex with underage girls,

maybe some guys, that was their thing. Sure. Because it seemed like with Epstein, that was his thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I think, too. I don't think there's any evidence to either. I think it's all been, I don't think there was collected with that plea deal, and I don't think there's any list that's going to point it.

There's no smoking gun. I don't know about that. I think it's all been, you know, taken care of it. I think that it's, I think you could open up every file. But that's the truth. Why did they have all those files? Why did they parade around with these binders? Because a lot of...

Do you remember those photo ops that they said? Like, look, they did like a thing. We have the Epstein files right here and they had binders. Like, what kind of political theater is that? If you don't really have the Epstein files, like, what is that? What I mean by that is I think, like, if they are keeping something quiet, it's because it's video of underage girls or it's video of the victims who don't want that to be out there. And that's, you can't, the Justice Department cannot make that public.

They cannot, they cannot bring that to Congress. That's all sealed for their privacy, right? Well, that is the argument. But then they're saying now that there are no files. They're saying there's no video. I believe that. Don't you? I don't know.

I think they have video. I think if you're got an island and you want compromise on people, you can't just have hearsay. I would say, I would agree. I watched him fuck that girl. Let's sue them. No, that's not how it works. You have to have video.

And then you have to show it to the guy. like Mr. Clinton, have a seat. Yeah. But I would agree with that, except for I think if there is video, that's somewhere in the archives of an intelligence agency. That's not getting out. And I think when he had that plea deal in 2008, he got tipped off, remember. And when the feds or whoever, when I think it was the Florida police department came to kind of collect all the evidence in Palm Beach, those computers weren't there anymore. So all that shit was scrubbed.

All that shit was taken out. So, and part of a plea deal is you don't, you don't collect evidence. There is no evidence. When you have a plea deal, nobody is collecting any evidence, you understand? So it's not like we're going to collect evidence. No, no, no. The part of the plea deal is we are not, this investigation is over. You plead, you do your time in this jail where you have to, you can go out and play golf during the day, but you have to come back in night.

No, he was under home arrest. He would only have to go there like a couple days a week. Right. He'd be in, he'd have to go to the county jail in Palm Beach during the day. Right. So that's what I'm saying is I think all that shit was scripted. I think he did like weekends. I think he did like weekends in the jail. I'm not kidding. I think they allowed him to work. Money talks, baby. It's not just money talks. It's influence. And the guy who's the arresting sheriff was told this guy was intelligent. Yeah, that's what he was told. So I would assume that that guy's telling the truth because he was a sheriff. He's got no reason to lie. or whoever he was. Right. But I think there's a lot of super powerful people that are very, very, very wealthy, and they have the ability to say whether or not things get out. I think it's interesting how some ideas take root and stay strong.

Like, you know, sometimes you'll just find that people will just all of a sudden, everybody will start agreeing on one thing. Like that whole transgender movement, like that just came out of nowhere in a way. I mean, it'd been around, I've been percolating, but it gets co-opted, and then all of a sudden everybody is just... Well, it's foreign governments, for sure, involved. Really? To what extent? You mean, like, bots and stuff, like foreign influence?

China. China spent a lot of money pushing transgender ideology on America. Really? That makes sense. Yeah. And this is not, if you're a transgender person hearing this, is not to deny you. I'm just saying that what China has done was push people further and further to... where it's not just acceptance, but indoctrination. And I think they also want outrage.

They want us fighting with each other about stuff. So, like, they'll push all kinds of crazy stuff. Like, one of the things that is really nuts that I used to bring up and people would say, this is ridiculous, who believes this? It's that pedophilia is not a crime that it's a sexual orientation. This lady who's running for governor of California, this crazy lady. Porter or whatever the fucker name is? Katie Porter that screams at her staff.

Get out of my fucking shot. She's the worst. She looks like the way she talks. Like the way she talks when the cameras are rolling and she doesn't think anybody's going to see it. Like what a monster. She's the worst. But she did one of those interviews where she was talking about pedophilia and she was talking about... Minor attracted people.

You mean maps? Yeah. See, I used to say that that. that they're talking about this in certain universities and people like that is never going to go anywhere. No one's going to buy into that. This lady's running for the governor of California and she said that. What is her exact quote on minor attracted persons or people that are, but she was talking about criminalizing that. Well, can I tell you what the philosophy is there?

Because I've actually read about it. Here's the idea. You're a pedophile, which means, by the way, really weird thing. You can look at this up, Jamie. A lot of pedophiles are left-handed. Did you know that? Look out lefties. Well, the significance there is that it's neurological, right?

There's a condition in the brain, right? Okay. So you're attracted to minors. It just happens to you. It's a curse. Holy shit. I see a seven-year-old or whatever the fuck it is. Okay.

So the idea is this. You have this affliction. You might be a person who's otherwise pays his taxes, loves his mom, loves his friends. You just don't act on this thing. Right. Now watch. Now, they have this overwhelming urge the way somebody would have, say, if they're a gambler, whatever the fuck it is.

And they have no one to talk to because if they go to a therapist, the therapist has to tell the police. Right. Okay? So now you have no one to talk to. So the idea, just this is the idea is if we destigmatize pedophilia and call it a minor attractive person and you're allowed to talk to a therapist without having to be incarcerated, The idea would be maybe they can get help and they won't touch kids because a professional can help them, et cetera, et cetera. That's the idea.

I understand the, I understand the, I guess, philosophy behind that. But we get into this very dangerous territory where everything becomes medicalized and everything becomes an excuse. So all of a sudden, we find out, and we may, Sapolsky says this, maybe in 20 years we find out of serial cases. killers just had something wrong with their brain. And if we had the same lesion on our brain, we'd be the same way. But it doesn't mean you don't put those people away because they are a danger to society. There's a guy in Austin who stabbed a bunch of people at the university, and I think it was in 2017, and he's getting released. He killed a kid. Yeah, you can't. He killed a very promising musician. And he went to a mental institution.

So they, I think they said not guilty for reasons of insanity. So this guy's been on his medication and he hasn't hallucinated in a couple of years. So now they're releasing him from this mental institution to some sort of a home where they monitor them closely. No, until you can actually cut out that part of the brain. What did represent Kate Porter say about minor attracted persons? So what did she say? Actual statement context. So what is her statement?

So she said that she didn't say that minor attracted persons are pedophilia as an identity. nor did she say it's not a crime. Her actual comments had been repeatedly misrepresented online. Right, but I saw the video. What did she say in the video? She never said it's not a crime. No, she was saying that... Her comments were solely focused on condemning baseless and dangerous rhetoric against

LBG... Well, how is that LGBT... She was saying that people were making equivalence between LGBTQ community and groomers. But let's listen to what she actually said. See if you can find the video. for saying it because then we'll get more understanding of it just use the AI and here's a just see if you can find a video mm yeah I think that's it here it is yeah I wanted to start with Miss Robinson if I could your organization recently

released a report analyzing the 500 most viewed most influential tweets that identified LGBTQ people as so-called groomers. The groomer narrative is an age-old lie to position LGBTQ-plus people as a threat to kids, and what it does is deny them access to public spaces, it stokes fear, and can even stoke violence. Ms. Robinson, according to its own hateful content policy, does Twitter allow posts calling LGBTQ people groomers? No. I mean, Twitter, along with Facebook and many others, have community guidelines. It's about holding users accountable to those guidelines and acknowledging that when we use

phrases and words like rumors and pedophiles to describe people, individuals in our communities that are mothers, that are fathers, that are teachers, that are our doctors, it is dangerous. And it's got one purpose. It is to dehumanize us and make us feel like we are not a part of this American society and it has real life consequences. So we are calling on social media companies to uphold their community standards. And we're also calling on any American that's seeing this play out to hold ourselves and our community members accountable. We wouldn't accept this in our families. We wouldn't accept this in our schools. There's no reason to accept it online. That's fair. I mean, I think you're absolutely right. And it's not, you know, it's the allegation of groomer and pedophile. It is alleging

that a person is criminal somehow and engaged in criminal acts merely because of their identity. Okay, so that's what it is. So it's taken out of context. So it's connecting gay people and trans people to pedophilia by calling them groomers.

That's why important to watch her what she actually said. Instead of getting your fucking information in snippets from TikTok from other people who have opinions, you're being game. Well, this is why a lot of people like hated Charlie Kirk

the same thing that's right. Totally misunderstood what he said. Well, yes, yes. But also could have been avoided, you know, by not saying it the way he said it. Like, there was certain things that he said, like one of them when he was talking about Katangi Brown Jackson

who's a Supreme Court Justice who graduated from Harvard Magna Cum Lottie. So like saying that you got, what is the exact words he used like you didn't have the intellectual ability to be taken seriously.

No, he said that DEI will put people in positions of power. I know what he's, yeah. But what I'm saying is his saying, what he said that was fucked was, you took this spot from a white person, like, I know what he's doing. He was trying to make a point. Right. And he was trying to make a point that affirmative action, we should be living in a meritocracy. And that we shouldn't be having lower standards.

for people, but she didn't, there's no evidence that she had any lower standards. Right. Part of the problem with Katangi Brown Jackson is like, you might disagree with her. She's qualified. Yeah, and I disagree. When she, when they asked her about what is a woman, when she was getting confirmed, and she's like, I'm not a biologist, right? But you're a woman and you have kids.

So like, cut the shit. You're giving into an ideology now. You know what a woman is. A woman is a biological female human being. Does that mean that there aren't men who feel like they're a biological female human being and they have gender dysphoria? No, it doesn't mean that. That's true too. But when you ask me what a woman is, it's a biological female human being that is responsible for every fucking life that's on earth. It's like it's a very important distinction. Every human being on

earth came from a woman. But this goes back to you and I talking about when you're busy and you're running a business, you're building a brand, you're trying to write jokes, whatever it might be. I don't have time do I like it's like the rest of us are trying to I got kids and I got bills and I got a lot of stuff I have to do it's really hard to do everything so you watch a snippet on TikTok and then you get an opinion of someone

I also don't have time what do you mean by pronouns right now I'm I'm busy over here like I right but you're also not indoctrinated you didn't go to school in 2015 you know but I have a theory long time ago here's my theory I want to hear what you think of this

I was thinking about this I think about this I think Part of the transgender thing, at least in colleges, and among, and it's interesting how it took root in places of higher education, I think what happened was there was currency in being a minority. There was currency in being oppressed. There's currency in being somebody who's marginalized and struggling. There's something when you are not that, when you are not in those positions, when you're looking at it, somehow it got a little bit romanticized. Well, sure. Especially if you're an advantaged, advantaged white kid, and then you can be non-binary.

You have no skin in the game. That's what I was saying. You get to be a part of that clan. You get to be a minority. And if you're black, brown, indigenous, you had to go through slavery, hundreds of years of brutal colonization. But when you're white, you can be blonde hair, blue. I'd come from a great family, but you can be a minority on the same level as somebody who's black because you feel like it.

Because you, your feeling, you have your feelings, you feel like a minority, therefore, I don't have to pay a price for anything. Oh, yeah. But I get to be on, I get to be on the same level. I can be a bigger minority than Dave Chappelle, who's a black man, because, you know, he's, he's attacking me. So now I can attack him because I'm the most vulnerable minority. And I think, I hate to be cynical, but that's a big driver for a lot of people. You know, I'm not saying that transgender people don't exist, but do you? There's certainly that, yeah.

But there's also this cultural narrative that supporting that makes you a good person on the right side of things. Did you see the debate? They had a debate on Vice. Vice does these weird debates, and the way they did this one was very strange. It was about, it was women and these feminists and these other women that were talking about trans people and whether or not trans people are women. and it got super performative and here I'll send it to you I want to do this on my podcast it got super performative and suit it was like trans women like that's not an argument like the what you're saying this lady has a

point about showers and locker rooms and and competing in sports and this is to deny that this is a point here please trans women be included in feminist conversations how about in women's spaces Yes, they're women. Oh, boy. Yeah. What's the question? Trans women or women?

So I want to come at this from the position of an athlete. So I play semi-pro basketball, semi-pro volleyball. So when it comes to athletic spaces, I don't think that trans women should be allowed into athletic spaces. Because I don't think it's a fair... I think as female athletes, we work so incredibly hard for the little opportunity there is in women's sports. would this be a barrier like this there's no barrier there's less opportunity in some industries that's what a barrier is it's not no no no it's based on the market okay hold on hold on guys so again we work very hard for the little opportunity that we're given and the problem is like

we can't compete we can't like i'm six foot if i go up against a six foot guy and i play basketball with him he's going to body me and what happens if i go up against you Hold on. Even if I have years more of training. And so it's like you're taking away the little opportunity that we're given and we all work so hard for. It will be the end of women's sports. Have you tried confidence?

You tried confidence. Confidence can't make me bench what a guy bench is. I don't understand why you guys are so hostile. She's sharing her experience in this. No, she's sharing friends as much. No, she's not. She's a woman who's had an experience. Okay, kill it.

This is so upset. Kayla, the woman who is... I watched that a long time ago. Dressed like a man with short hair, said she's trans misogyny. That's a trans man, by the way. Oh, it's a man? Yeah, that's a man who's now a woman. Yes.

See, that I don't have a problem with. Try that. You could go ahead and do that. That doesn't bother me at all. No. Like, if trans men want to invade men's spaces and pee next to us with a funnel, go for it. I do not care at all. You know, why?

Because you can't rape me. No. Right? That's the real problem with trans men. is that men are creeps. Especially in female prisons. Yes. Female prisons is a huge one, huge one.

But it's also just female locker rooms. Like some guy with his dick hanging out is pretending he's a woman. That's real, too. There's trans women, and then there's perverts who enter into these spaces. Of course. You've given them a Willy Wonka golden ticket. It's like pedophiles who found a safe haven when they could put on the robes of a priest. And the crazy thing is like a lot of these things, like that one in L.A.,

with that the health club that was, they got protested because they kicked a trans woman out of the locker room. Yeah. Multiple time sex offender. Yeah. Multiple time sex offender. What? That happens sometimes.

So someone who's a fucking freak who decides, oh, I'm a woman now and I'm just gonna let my dick shine. Just polish it up in front of these ladies. Right. So you could just oil up your dick in front of, you know, some people who are just trying to get to yoga class.

I think that conversation has been one. Yeah, hasn't it? Not totally. Look at those ladies. That's a while ago. That was actually five years ago. A remit! Yeah. Transmian, was it five years ago? Yeah. I think, though, here's what I think is important. What the question? Just that. What are we saying?

Yeah. It's Katie Porter energy. Yeah, like, what? That's the same energy. Well, they stop the conversation, right? You got to, I'm not going to talk to you. I've already made it in my mind. That's a religion, though, right? That's a religious person. That's a religion. Yeah. You're going along party lines the same way you would, you know, by not eating things that are haram. I try to, I try to, I think that if you're going to be, like I'll say a little bit. Haram's bad, right? Halal.

Haram is an Arabic term for essentially against God in a way. It's forbidden. Haram, I think, means forbidden. But, um, I'm sucking dicks. Not as how I said, haram. Is sucking dicks haram? Well, only if you're, if you're smiling, I think of your frowning you're allowed to. I'm not sure how I.

You know what's really crazy? The number one place in the world for the longest. time where people got transgender surgeries was Iran and it wasn't because they were supportive of transgender people it was because they were punishing gay people so the only yeah yeah so the only way to be a gay man in a gay relationship but one of you motherfuckers is going to have to lose a dick now I wonder if that's true I heard that actually and I wonder what that is it yeah it's true wow yeah yeah they they would punish that's that's horrifying to punish somebody that way yeah well I don't know if it's still number one

But I think that's also the origin of lady boys in Thailand. I think a lot of them, yeah. I think for a long time it was illegal to be gay in Thailand. I saw some very. Convincing. Well, that's the thing. If you're going to be a trans person, being a small Asian really helps. Not a Samoan.

Right. Bad bone structure. Bad bone structure, sir. Viking trans people, like the mountain is trans. It's a real issue. It's not going to go well. Brian Shaw is not going to make a pretty woman. Right.

Imagine him being on that volleyball team. Shut the fuck up. have no high health user. He's a woman. She's a woman. Yeah. Trans women are women. What's the question?

Yeah, good luck. What is like, what are you saying? You should be studied in a museum. They should, one day they're going to look at that lady and that ideology, like, what is this virus that infected these people's brains? Crazy. It's bananas. But you know, I think like with the Charlie Kirk thing when people were celebrating, right?

Horrible. But I was saying, man, we better hold ourselves to it. If you want to be somebody who's, let's call, I call myself a traditionalist or whatever, fuck it is. Maybe I'm a little right to center, depending on the subject. Maybe I'm left in this. But I thought that was horrific, but you got to hold yourself to a high fucking standard meaning, you know, Trayvon Martin's killer, George Zimmerman, he signs autographs at gun shows. He signs skittles. You know, I know they had a struggle and stuff, but that was a kid who was doing no crime at all.

Well, he was just being harassed by a guy was playing a cop. And that guy's gun sold for something like $250,000. So how do you think his family feels? How do you people on that side. So don't be a fucking hypocrite. It's real easy to be a hypocrite. And I and what Charlie Kirk was guilty of doing nothing other than taking his ideas and pitting them against all comers. That's beautiful. Right. And if you disagree with those ideas, the real way to handle it is to address them. Beat it with a better idea. But the problem is most people don't have an opportunity to communicate with him. And so they see these young kids communicating with him on these college campuses and him trouncing these young kids. And you see things getting, you know, combative or

argumentative. And then you see clips. And so the clips, the little tiny ones, like you don't have the intellectual capacity to be taken seriously. And so you had to take your spot from a white person. Like just that clip is a real problem because he didn't have to say it that way, but I know what he was trying to say. What he should have say is a more qualified person because in reality, the people that get discriminated the most in when it comes to particularly universities are Asians mm-hmm so if you wanted to like have a a theory of white supremacy that goes out the window when you look at standards at universities have right because the people that they discriminate against the most are Asians Chinese because they

do so well they crush they crush because they have old school immigrant mentality as Joey Diaz likes to say it. You'll never see, by the way, you will never see a Chinese or an Asian or an Asian, but Chinese, Korean, a Japanese person, you'll never see them complain. But Bobby Lee will complain up a storm. Bobby's different, Bobby's different. There's a few. Bobby's also hilarious.

A few made it through the net that we'll complain up a storm. Bobby's a comic though. Bobby's like a great comic, so it's different. It is, but I'm just joking. Yeah, for the most part. But they don't all have discipline as the part. No. But they are hard working, like as a group, they excel.

They're hardworking people. Tough. They rarely complain and they rarely protest. So when they have to sue Harvard, it's probably because of something real. And it turns out it was because of something real. And it's not just Harvard. It's multiple universities have higher standards that they apply to Asian people because the Asian people work harder and because they don't want their school to be overrun by Asians. But I say tough shit.

If you can't compete, this is a fucking meritocracy. It's a meritocracy. They did the same thing to Jews in the 50s in Harvard. All these Jews were getting into Harvard They're like, we have to have a quota That's going to be overrun with Jews And they were just shit Yeah

But then there's also the reality That people that live in poor communities Have way shittier schools And way less funding and way less hope And that's bad for everybody Right So I don't think the solution Is to let unqualified people in

And this is like Affirmative action Pissed a lot of people off I think the solution is Find the root of the problem and pump a bunch of resources into cleaning up communities and making these schools better and making these communities better and coming up opening community centers and giving people a chance to get the fuck out of whatever. Give them some trades or skills or teach them sports or music or something that gives them hope that they can do outside of gang banging and selling crack. And the thing that I always point to is that that could be you.

If you were born in that area, that would be you. That's a human being that's trapped in this community. I don't think the solution is take this guy who's got C's and give him a job over a guy who gets straight A's. I think the solution is find out why this guy has C's. Where did he come from? Why has this place been ignored? If leaders are real leaders, why would you ignore the most disenfranchised people in the world unless you're using them as political pawns? What you should do is try to figure out a way to make it profitable for businesses.

The same way Halliburton, like when we blew up Iraq, Halliburton came in and made a shit ton of money rebuilding things. Make it profitable to make these fucking communities safe again. Make it profitable to rebuild. But you have to start with telling the truth. Okay. And people don't want to, so we can't even get out of the fucking gates. So if I say something like the biggest problem in some communities, by the way, certain white communities. definitely in certain black communities, the biggest problem is fatherlessness. If I say that,

there are plenty of people that say that's, that's, we're already, I'm already going to push back because you're already being racist. So if I can't, if I can't have a conversation. It's a statistic. Right. Right. Correct. It is like 70%. So you know, that's one of many problems. Right. But I had, I never forgot when it comes back to Chinese stuff. I remember when, so if you look what the Chinese did to Manchuria in the, in the 30s, Iris Chang, a a book about it. I thought it was the thing it was called the rape of non-king. She did all the research. The Japanese. The Japanese did that to the Chinese. And, and, uh, Iris Chang ended up killing herself. And I think her mother or someone said it was because of the, just the trauma

of doing the research of what they did. Well, they had contest to see who could kill the most people in a short amount of time with their sword. It was the most ferocious killing besides, I think, Rwanda in history, but a concentrated number. And I said to my Taekwanda, I was in college. And he was Korean. And I said, why haven't the Chinese asked for some kind of reparation? Why haven't they sort of like asked for formal apologies and stuff? And he said, because in an Asian culture, Chinese, Korean culture, Japanese, the idea is this. The Chinese said, oh, well, that happened to us because we allowed it to happen. We didn't, we didn't have our guard up. We weren't strong and it'll never happen again because you're never doing that to us again.

And it was really fucking wild. I was like, damn, man, that's all, that's a crazy thing. But that's, that's inherent to that culture, which is radical responsibility. Like, you're responsible. I don't give a fuck. Chinese people have dealt with a lot of discrimination. I believe the word chink comes from them working on the railroad. So the sound of the ching, ching, you know, like that.

Really? Yeah, I think that's where it, look that up, Jamie. That's where that, that, that, that, but they suffered a shitload of discrimination. And they just set up shopping. anywhere in the worst neighborhoods whatever it was. There's always Chinese restaurant right now probably in the Congo. Well let's find out let's use perplexity which is one of our sponsors

and see if that's where the origin of the word chink came from. Even saying that right there so we could just clip that out oh they're using slurs they've come from me it doesn't matter they're using slurs but that does make sense because they just they're no excuses

they just excel you'll you'll learn how to play a fucking classical instrument fluently and be great in finance. How did they get people to work on the railroads specifically from China? Like, what was the origin of that? I think they came here. I think it was part of the gold rush. And I think a number of them came here on the West Coast, I think, through San Francisco.

And how do you wind up being the predominant workforce of the railroad? They needed labor. They needed. So, etymology. Sorry if I'm wrong about this. Fish Butchering machine. Iron chink fish butchering machine. Which would place me.

1905. Replaced many Chinese laborers and fisheries and reinforce the slur's prominence as a racist term during that period. Oh, wow. So that's crazy. So instead, okay. So the derogatory application

may also stand from a resemblance to chink, meaning a narrow opening or a crack, like a chink in the armor. Huh. It's a fish butchering machine. Well, I guess that was wrong. But the fish butchering machine was about, it's doing the work.

Right. of the Chinese people. So that's why they call it an iron chink. It's like a slur of the machine. It's not like they were named after the machine. Initially applied to Chinese immigrants, it's used broadly to target Eastern Asian people in general. So what was the origin?

When did it start? Well, some of it. So 1880, coinciding with increased Chinese immigration to North America during the late 19th century when anti-Chinese sentiment was strong. Yeah, it seems like it's. It's just short for China.

All right, my bet. No worries. It makes sense, though. Sounds like one of those things someone says in a barbershop. I heard that from a Chinese person, so I was like, oh, I must be right. Oh, interesting. Well, he probably believes it, too. Yeah.

You need to use AI. But AI's not always right. You know, it's only based on what's out there. You know, there's things that are just not factually correct. Or there's a problem where whatever government or agency or whatever you're researching has pushed so much propaganda through that the standard of what you like standard of care or standard of education or standard of whatever is this incorrect stuff like one of the weird things that huberman was saying when um he he was talking to one of his colleagues who is a physician uh and he said what

percentage of what is in the medical literature is incorrect and he said 50% yeah i heard that it's crazy 50% in medical school is incorrect. So you could research something like that. And, you know, and it's in the medical literature. So the AI would assume that it's correct. But it is not correct. Yeah. Because people are full of shit.

Right. And they don't like to be corrected. And they don't like to admit when they're wrong. And they don't like to go back. And they also don't like to rewrite history books and they don't like to rewrite things. They push back real hard against that stuff. You know, like this idea that we're always on this, like, constant search for truth. So, yeah, some people and some people are constant search to protect their ego and their reputation

because they've said one thing in the past. Or for 30 years. Yes. And they wrote books about it. Right. And they have to lie and office gate because they can't admit that they were wrong. I remember this guy who said he came up with the whole theory on echinacea, which is good for colds. And then they did this exhaustive study about echinacea.

And they were like, listen, we've. I've done 25 studies. It doesn't make a fucking dent, which I can attest to it because I used to take a shit load of it and fucking stay stick of shit. Yeah, people used to say echinacea and golden seal. That's right. And I took those two. And I used to take the shit out of those. Just give me diarrhea.

Hippy chicks. Oh, fuck, man. It's their idea. Yeah. You need to take echinacea. Okay. What are you take? Somebody gave it to me and it was on the tail into my cold and I was like, I'm better.

And then I was like, I'm taking this fucking fuck off. What is the benefit? What do they say echinacea does? Is it support your immune system? It's a viral and antiviral. Anyway, the guy who came over the idea He goes, I'm still taking it That was his response

Well, let's find out what this What does the studies show? Ask perplexity, what do the studies show about echinacea? I saw that with seed oil I looked at them too. Seed oil is apparently There's no studies that say it's bad for you Yeah, but it's bad for you

Is it? Yeah, it's industrial lubricant It's not really like just If you know all the process That's involved in in making it It's also not nearly as healthy as olive oil And you can get olive oil Just use olive oil.

Stop fucking around. I do. Or use beef tallow. It's not human food, man. It's processed bullshit. Like, just that alone. Like, olive oil is fucking super healthy for you, really good for you. And you can use that.

So why are you using that bullshit? Olive oil is expensive. It's also, it's disgusting. Like, the way they make it, have you seen the way they make seed oils? What does it say? Immunity and Co- Prevention. Many studies suggest echinacea may help support immune function and possibly reduce the number and severity of upper respiratory infections.

Some trials found a small reduction in cold risk or illness duration while high-quality reviews show little to no statistically significant benefit over placebo. That's all we need to know. That's it. We're good. That's it. But again, that's part of science, right? Like you look at that, you do a study, you see what works.

Right. And if it does and it doesn't. Right. But a lot of this stuff is complicated. Sure. You know, how you do a study, what you leave out. Also, who's funding the study? Who's finding the study's huge?

Whether or not Fauci proves it. How big was the study? Yeah, all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then a lot of the stuff is also like you have to have expertise in that field to even understand the research. Also, studies are much like corrupt boxing judges. It's like, what's the purpose of this? Like, what are you trying to do?

You're trying to make a lot of money. If you're trying to make a lot of money, you can make a study where you can take a dosage that's preposterous and give it to a group of people and this fucks them up. And then you have a great base of saying, this is a dangerous drug. Right. I was watching this guy who was on Patrick Bet David's show. There's something that I did not know. Do you know that heroin was created, it was termed as a solution to morphine addiction? Wow.

But it is morphine. It's just slightly different. It's just like methadone. Methadone's fucking terrible for you. And that's what they used to get people off of heroin. I remember. I knew people who would go to the methadone. We would call them the methadone.

When those playing pool, the executive billiards in White Plains, New York, it was right down the street from a methadone clinic. And the methadonians would get their method. Get out of here. Heron was originally created a supposedly non-addictive substitute for morphine, intended to treat morphine addiction and serve as a cough suppressant. Wow. Now, here's what's really crazy. Do you know that when they were inventing this stuff, one of the things that they also came up with was acetaminopin. And acetaminein, they didn't want people.

to take because in studies they show that it fucks rats up in their liver like this is like all these crazy liberals who are not they're taking tyranol because rfk junior said don't take it so like fuck you i'm taking Tylenol and i'm pregnant maybe it's okay to take Tylenol if you're pregnant i don't know but what i do know is it's the number one source acetaminophen is the number one source of acute liver failure in america 500 people die in america every year from liver failure You're because of taking acetymenophen. So don't take it. Or it's a dose thing, right?

It's most certainly a dose thing. If a woman's pregnant and her temperature goes way up, it can kill the baby, right? So there's a, there's a dosage you take that apparently is okay, right? So you can take a certain amount. Perhaps. I don't know how you would find that out without having another woman with the exact same body take Tylenol and not have a problem and one that takes nothing. Well, that's the thing I asked you about. the meat thing where I talked to this guy who said that red meat. Hold on a second. What is this

say, Jamie? Acetaminophen has no direct chemical or historical connection with the invention or development of heroin. Yeah. No, no, that's not what we're saying. No, they developed, it's bear. They developed acedaminephine as well. It wasn't that it had a connection to heroin. It was just another thing that they developed that they didn't want to release because they found that it had problems.

But this is a guy on Patrick Pet David. He wasn't saying that it was developed as a substitute for heroin. It's not, it's nothing like heroin. Did you see what Patrick Bad David said about Porter? About who? About Katie Porter or whatever name is? No, I didn't. It was so funny.

He goes, I just want a shout out to Katie Porter. She's fantastic. He's just like, just keep going, man. I just keep talking that way. And he was just, but the way he was doing it, it sounded like he was supporting her. But he was just like, just keep on going. You're telegenic. This is fantastic.

You're great. He's fucking so funny. I love that guy. He's a great guy. I love that dude, man. He is a great guy. get along with that that is a unfortunate situation and now she's right now drowning in anxiety the the wave of the people that are attacking her and even unjustly because of the clip that we pulled up right where she was talking about people connecting groomers to just regular LBGT people or

LGBT people the just the wave of hate that's coming her way especially when she yelled her staff get out of my fucking shot like you we all know that kind of person yeah we all know you know you are that's who you really are that's who you that's the real you we've seen people like that we know those kind of people yeah yeah well you know i i actually as i get older i think um how you think and what you actually hold in your mind in your heart even if you try to keep it a secret it comes out it will always come out that's why podcasts are so good fuck yeah man it's like listen your brain is a garden you got to de weed it you got to keep your brain you got to keep your mind on the good things people are going to

to fuck you over. You got to forgive him or you'll turn your own back on your future. All those little challenges. You're going to have you're going to have hard shit that goes on. You're going to come home. Your wife is going to need you. You've got kids. You can't bring that shit home. That is the discipline. That's being a warrior. Not all this fucking other stuff. Like I'm fucking practicing my double and single. Like I have no idea why I love my son's taking jiu-jitsu as I like to teach him. But at the end of the day, the challenges are keeping your mind and your heart pure. And I never used to speak this way. But as I get older, that's kind of really what I believe because it's going to fucking you're not getting away with it well that's why

you should stay off social media because you'll have enemies all day long and there's a lot of people that are our age that are complete addicts that are just especially the left people for whatever reason but uh I shouldn't say that I know a lot of people on the right they're addicted to it too yeah but it's just addicted to these arguments that people have constantly every day calling people assholes and losers and you're just carrying around all that bullshit with you all day that's exhausting which is why I don't do it I mean, I could go in on fucking every person that ever wronged me or this, that, and said bad things about me. Like, come, I always do that. I always say, listen, I have friends.

I'm like, I'm getting hate. I'm like, listen, dude, if you're getting hate, you're doing something right. Or you're a cunt. Maybe you should get your shit together. Maybe the people are right. Or you're a cunt. You never know. Like, you know, there's a certain amount of criticism that you should respect.

You should look at it and go, but a lot of it is straw man criticism. And the reason why people are doing is not really, they're not really criticize. You or what you stand for. They're making up a thing to pretend that you stand for that thing. And then they're attacking that. I get checked that sometimes. I'll no longer, like I'll read a book and I'll become an expert. Like I'll read a book, half a book on nutrition.

You'll read a fucking headline. Dude, I'll read a headline, bro. And I'm, and you better sit down at my feet because I got some shit to teach you. And I was relaxing. Einstein said something to Terrence Howard once that I'll never forget. Really important thing. He said, stop teaching. Stop trying to teach people.

You're not an expert. Wow. Yeah. Fuck. And, you know, in his case, it was very personal because Terrence was talking about mathematics and physics. Yeah. It was really important for him because, like, you know, we know Eric very well. Yeah.

And but there's a lot of people who think Eric's an idiot, which is hilarious. That's hilarious. It's funny. Good luck with that. And smart people. There's smart people that decided he's an idiot and a fraud. And I've seen videos where smart people are tearing him apart. And I'm like, that's interesting.

Okay, that's so uncharitable and not necessary, and even if you have criticisms about the way he communicates, you got to understand that the way he communicates to him is normal, right, because he's really fucking smart. He's an inherently decent, beautiful person. He's a great guy. I love that guy. He's a great guy. He's a genuinely great guy. And he's, you know, not the kind of guy that goes out of his way to try to ruin other people. No. He's not doing that at all. And so I get that there's a currency in criticizing people.

Like you can get clickbait headlines and clickbait videos, but that all comes at a cost too because I'm never going to really respect you because I'm going to think that what you're doing when you're doing that kind of stuff is I get it. It's because if it's a business, you're doing it on YouTube. It's the best way to get clicks. But this just going out of the way to attack people, it's not smart because you're going to be that guy forever. And then one day you're like 50 or 60 and you've built your whole brand on being a cunt. But also that same critic, that same critic comes to you, it turns around and comes back at you. Always. When you try to do something, because being good at anything is very hard. Like I got, I'm fucking dropping my special and I got to write a whole new, I've been writing all new shit. That's fucking hard, not repeating yourself, trying to like shake up your paradigm. It's really hard. And you go through some days where you're like, I'm never going to write a joke again.

Right. And if somebody sees you on one of those days, we're eating dick. Yeah. They're like, oh, my God, he's terrible. Right. Okay. Well, I've seen people say that about Louis. Like a friend of mine saw Louis in the cellar.

He's like, oh, he sucked. I go, no, he didn't suck, dude. He's got new bits that are brand new. And if you see an hour or a year from now, that hour will be a polished masterpiece. But it doesn't come out of the box, perfect. And the only way to ever develop it is you have to have the courage to trot these ideas out and try to find where the funny is in them. And sometimes the funny isn't there. And you think it is.

go looking around and you go all right folks there's no other way there's no other way it's your skills as a comedian to navigate those waters but you know i did an interview on a radio thing and uh this fucking guy who was he had just started doing stand-up was criticizing the quote unquote that right wing hack comedian named jim brewer and i went i turned that interview i was like are you calling jim fucking brewer a hack do you know how funny that motherfucker is you know He's so funny. Do you know how hard it is to do what that dude does? Like, shut the fuck up.

You've never done, you have 10 minutes of material. Shut up. That guy's, that guy kills me. You ever see his routine about the fucking, when his cat got the shit kicked out of him by a raccoon? Oh, dude. Who's your mother now? He just got this shit. He's so physical.

He's so funny. He's such physically funny. Oh, my God. And he's been really funny since I met him. Yeah, he's never not been funny. 91 or 92 funny then he was great goat boy he was phenomenal and he's a great guy too it's a great guy and it's just like people are always trying to build themselves up by taking other people down and it's historic it's been going forever it's always the case and it's normal like when you're

young and you're coming up and you see people that are doing better than you're like fuck that guy it's normal but it's not beneficial it's not good for you I get it to inspire you yeah that's what I do i've done what they do i've hated on people i i definitely did when i was younger it's just not smart it's not it's not it's not a good strategy for life that doesn't help you it's you know you your identity gets too wrapped up in conflict and it's just like super unhealthy well we know people our age who are still doing that shit of course comics mark merrick don't say it i mean i don't get it you know i'm like i don't know i get it he's sad he's sad he wants other people to hurt that's uh what it is It's just not charitable.

Well, it's also, he's pathologically jealous. Like, he's been pathological. He's, like, literally mentally ill. Like, do you understand, Mark when he first started, when he was just first coming up, was friends at Mitch Hedberg, and then Mitch Hedberg hit, and he couldn't be friends with him anymore. Really? Yep. Stop being his friend.

Same thing with Louis C.K. Louis C.K. and him were tight. Louis blew up. Mark didn't. He had to fucking hate him, and he turned on him. Talk shit about him. Talk shit about him openly. and then he became successful

and the years where Mark was successful were the best years of Mark because Mark was fun like I've had ups and downs with Mark I've gone through this with him like three or four different times where we he gets upset at me and then we talk and then are we good

we're good like he likes to do that he likes to talk shit about you and then you confront him and he says you're right and with me my relationship with him was really complicated because when I was an open micer I was 21 years old and I was just starting out

Mark gave me a compliment once that really helped me He came up to me and he said amen You're really funny He just keep doing what you're doing Don't listen to anybody else Just keep doing what you're doing I was like wow thank you

That's his best side That's the good side He's not all bad And he was a young guy back then right So he was just being cool And then over time Obviously I became more famous than him And more successful than him

And he does not like that He fucking hates that And the only time we were cool was when Mark was number one. So Mark, the podcast took off, and you got to realize it took off when he was deep into his 40s, right? And it was the number one podcast in the country.

And he was on Rolling Stone Magazine and, you know, he had his own show on IFC, the Marin Show, and he was fucking great. He was cool to hang with. He was fun because he didn't have to compare himself to anybody anymore because he was a success. Like, he could look at his own success. He was doing a television show.

He had his podcast. podcast. Everything was great. And we were cool. Like, we were friends. Like, I'd see him. I'd give him a hug. I'd say, what's going on? We would talk. We were, like, we're friendly at the store. We never hung out off, you know, off-site. But we were friendly. Like, we had pushed all the beef aside and he even did my podcast. We had a great time. And then, um, I started getting more successful. And then my podcast passed his. Then my podcast became number one. And then the Spotify deal. And that's when he started talking shit about me. So he started talking shit about me long before all this Trump stuff. This Trump stuff is just the most recent iteration of this bizarre thing that he

does with people. And the first thing was he had decided that I was an asshole like just because the podcast took off. But it was not a big deal. It was like I'd heard people say that he was saying things. But then after the Spotify deal, the Spotify deal, the Spotify deal, the Spotify deal was a real problem. And that's when he started coming after me. And it was about vaccines. Like, so he was talking about me on stage about vaccines. It's like, by the way, everything I said was correct. The people that I had on my podcast were like Robert Malone, who got criticized. He has nine patents in the creation of our mRNA technology. He's a vac he's a vaccinologist. He's a he took the vaccine himself and had a horrible adverse event, which is when he started

becoming critical of it. And then he started doing the science and looking into the papers and the research. And he was trying to sound the alarm. He was right. He was right. All these, Dr. Pierre Corey, he was right. Peter McCullough is the most published doctor in human history in his particular field of expertise. Which is, which is, it's kidney disease. I don't, I don't exactly but he's a scientist. Very well published and accredited scientist. So, these are the people that I had on that were talking about this stuff. It had nothing to do with that, that Marin was upset at. It had to do with jealousy. I think, though, it's another thing. I think some people have a very traumatic experience when they're younger. It could be high

school. And you represent an avatar of that experience. So we just spent, I don't know, the first fucking third of this podcast was about fighting, working out, and all that stuff. There's a physicality there. You, you are a physical guy. You're physically imposing. You know, you can choke somebody unconscious, punch them in a face, blah, blah, blah. That, that meathead persona, that kind of like forward tilt, that yang energy, that very hyper male energy, some people have a very bad experience with that kind of energy when they're young. They might be, right? I understand, but you have to judge people on an individual. Of course you do. Of course you do. Of course you do. He likes to pretend that I'm like a mean job. But that's what I'm saying is that you've got to like as an adult after a while you have to come to terms with whatever emotional reaction you have to whatever this avatar is that you've put all this stuff on, which we all do. I think you've got to take your tell. After a while you've got to go, hey, this is where I got to let go of all that stuff and I got to take the person at face value. Yeah, but this is a you're talking about introspection. He doesn't have that. That's not him. He does when confronted and he'll he'll apologize. Like that's his whole thing. Are we good? We're good? And then you'd hug it out with people.

He also lies. Like, one of the things he lied about is he did a podcast with Howie Mandel, and Howie Mandel asked him if he had problems with comedians. Like, no, I don't have any problems with any comedians. I've never had any problems with comedians. Like, what are you talking about? He's had a problem with every single comedian that's more successful than him. Bill Burr, Louis C.K., Dave Chappelle, me, Tony Hinchcliffe, everybody that passes him, all of a sudden he, and he talks about them on stage. And the Theo thing really drove me nuts because that sent Theo.

into a real spiral. Did it? Yeah. Yeah. Well, Theo went into a spiral, and that was a big part of him getting attacked, was Marin talking about him on a special, saying that he'd have Hitler on his podcast. Well, why is he saying that? Does he think that's true?

Does he think it's, does he think that, Theo has anybody on his fucking show, including Bernie Sanders. He's learning. He's taught to learn. He'll talk to people, and he will talk to anybody on his podcast. That's not what the thing is. The thing is that Marin's podcast, which was number one, isn't even in the top 100 anymore. I don't even think it's in the top 200.

It went away. And it went away not because he did anything. He didn't get arrested. There was no scandal. People just stopped being interested in it. And I think that hurts the most. Why did they stop being interested? It's not good.

It appears a part of it. Like, the conversations that he has are fine. But the beginning of the podcast is he's like. self-indulgent rants about life and him doing things and there's a thread dedicated on like Reddit where people fast forward to the time like they give you the time stamp of when he's done ranting so you could just get to the interview because nobody wants to hear it like it's like it's an inside you know joke but it just that's the reality is it's like Theo passed him like rocketed past him and now he has like the number two or number three podcasts in the world.

Sometimes there's a thing that people do when you're older where you say that person passed me and then you criticize the culture that got them past. Yeah. Well, the things that Marin never developed an audience for his comedy and he always felt like he deserved it. And that's what drove him the most nuts. He always felt like he deserved it. But it's like you deserve what you get.

You know what he has a record for? One of those ticket things, what it's ticket master, whatever one? number one for selling single seats that's interesting oh that's really interesting people with no friends that's interesting yeah really sad people sad people that identify

the way he behaves in their actual I always look at it this way like I you know somebody we were doing this thing and Ryan Reynolds people talking about how he gets paid or he gets criticized and I was like look man I don't know about that I just know that I tried really really hard to be Ryan Reynolds I did I tried my hard

I was an acting class I went on every fucking audition I did okay I was on a couple sitcoms and some movies and stuff but for whatever reason I didn't I'm not Ryan Reynolds

you know why I'm just probably in some ways hate to say it I think I'm really good at comedy but maybe I'm just not as good or maybe just for whatever reason I didn't do it

maybe he was smarter in this other area but either way he's there well the reality is man there can only be like a couple of Ryan Reynolds but I'm not going to hate on the guy because of it thousands and thousands and thousands of people that are trying.

I did. I tried hard, man. But, see, that's the difference between that and comedy. See, comedy is much more of America talkers, much more of Ameritocer. Very much.

If you're funny, you can get an audience. And there's, there's Jim Brewer's audience, and then there's Nate Bargazzi's audience, and there's Kevin Hart's audience, and everyone,

you can get an audience. Like, you just have to put your work out there and people resonate with your work. And you might not like these guys. You might say, this guy sucks, That guy sucks and I like this guy.

No, no, no, it's fine. You're allowed to have personal taste. Just like this personal taste in music that I don't like. But the proof is in the pudding. Do people come to see you? Do you put asses in seats so they enjoy the time? Or is it an angry bomb where you're on stage ranting about other comedians? Well, that's Marin.

And he does it all the time. Tim Dillon was just saying he was doing that in L.A. the other day. He was ranting about other comedians at the Riyadh conference. Comedy Festival, which is all, you know, like legitimate area of criticism, if you can make it funny. Like, you know, you're working for the Saudi government, and they've definitely done some stuff that's fucking horrible. But the root of it all is not real. It's not that he cares so much that he wants everyone to do the right thing. That's not it.

It's he's upset that all these people are getting attention. He's upset that all these. It's very childish. And but he'll make it look like, you know, he's the righteous side, the left, the progressives. He's the voice now and he's going to fucking, you know, we got work to do. We've got to get these fascists out. No, it's, but it's about him getting more attention. That's what it ultimately is all about.

And that's unfortunate. And I'm not mad at him. And if I saw him and I talked to him, we're cool. I'd give him a hug. You're just being honest. You're being just honest. Right. But he wants to pretend that everybody else is bad and mean.

and this is like the reason why they're successful, or that they're hacks. Or that the culture is corrupt and that's why you're in. Some dumb shit like, you know, you can't stop making fun of trans people. They can't get health care. That's one of the things he said. Like, what are you talking about? They can't get health care. Health care is care that makes you healthy.

The law that got passed was stopping chemical castration drugs and surgery for underage children that are confused. And you know how many kids are, I don't get to start on that. By the way, these things that they call, like hormone blockers, puberty blockers? But hold on, hormone blockers, that's not what they originally were used for. We know that, like, medicine can be used off-label, right? And the idea of that initially was there was only, like, you know,

a hundred different kinds of medicine, and you could figure out what would work, and you could prescribe it for different things and off-label uses. The stuff that they're using, what they're calling puberty blockers, is the same drugs that they used to give to sex offenders for chemical castration. It's the same drugs. It's chemical castration drugs,

and you're giving it to children. And then there's this narrative that it can be reversible. No, it's not. No, you go through, you're gonna have a micro penis for the rest of your life, you can have fucked up vocal cords, your whole body is going to be strokes. There's a lot of like weird, horrific side effects.

It's so fucking evil to me. Right, so his strong, man is transgender people can't you should stop talking about it man they can't get medical care they can't get health care you happy like yeah that has never been the case he's saying that that's what you're saying that the problem is just trying to get you to limit the amount of things that you're talking about that people want to hear right that's really what he's doing it's like a really selfish self-oriented fucking thing it's not righteous that's what's the crazy thing about it and people are going to find that out man they're going to dig into you they're going to listen to the

things you say and what the way you behave and the things you've talked about saying you know like that the whole reason why everybody voted for trump is because they wanted to say the word retard that's a straw man like it was a really funny bit i get it's okay it's not that good a bit but it's a straw man that's not true what everybody wanted was they realized there was a crazy thing happening where the border was wide open right and 20 million people got in in four years it weren't supposed to be here right but does that mean that you support everything that they're doing now? Were they kicking people out? No, no. The storming into the fucking Home Depot and arresting people? No, no, that's not cool either. The military in the street, I think, is a

dangerous precedent. But also, why are you allowing people to just riot on the streets and burn down buildings? Yeah, why do you have to lock up toothpaste in Washington, D.C.? Toothpaste. You have to lock it up. San Francisco as well. Is that good? No, it's, look, there's, there's a balance to be had here, and there's a conversation to be had, but it's not in straw man arguments where you're saying that the only reason why people want is they wanted to say this these comedians are just voting for fascism no i want this is why with my podcast like i was i got to a point where i was having i was interviewing people right it was great but the problem is i i don't after a while for me like there are too many people like you who do it really well i would love and i don't know if i'll be

i think i talked to you about this just to get people on two different sides to have a discussion just to find out like just to kind of get to a, so in other words, can we just try to approach this as solving a problem? We don't like to be the right to people. It's hard to get them, though. But that's what I wanted to do. But it also has to be two people that were actually just trying to state their points. You know, it's a really good example that recently. Coleman Hughes had, he's great, had Dave Smith on his podcast.

Very good conversation. Super balanced, intelligent, calm level, especially from Coleman. Coleman's so good at that. He's a killer. He's so good. And it was, you know, one of the rare times where I think Dave was kind of stumped in certain situations. And that's great. It's great. Dave probably learned a lot. It's, you know, stay up. Yeah. I mean, he had a very interesting point about the Wesley Clark thing. Do you see that? I did. Yeah. But like, he never saw the memo. He was told what was in the memo. He's like, you understand that if you're writing a history book, that wouldn't even be, you couldn't even put that in the book. Which is, it was accurate. It's absolutely accurate. It's accurate. It doesn't mean that they didn't actually do that, though. And it seems like that's like, that is exactly what happened, which is like kind of convenient. Well, he addressed that too, but I know what you're saying. It's like, again. But it's also like a brilliant debate. Yes.

And never, never devolved. And I learned. You learn things from that. You're not going to see Mark Marion in one of those. And that's the bummer. It's like if you have these ideas you're standing on and you're vocal with them, right? Then you should be willing to put them on the table and see how they wore against another idea. And you also should entertain the other person's perspective. The problem is, like, Dave

has been saying it one way for the longest time. And when Coleman said that, I think the correct response is, that is true. Yeah. You got a really good point. You won. You're right. However, no, you didn't really win. Because they did do exactly what was in that memo. I mean, they did overthrow every single country except for Iran. No, no, no, because he said, in fact, we did it with a number of other regimes, but there were, I think, three or four countries in that memo that we haven't done that with. Right. But they've been going after those specifically. And those, a lot of them did get toppled.

This was Rumsfeld. But it's also, yeah, and it is interesting that that is a strategy that the United States employs and that we do topple regimes and that we, you know, we do. We have in the past. We have been involved in that. And to deny that, I think, is kind of crazy. Right. And we also really do a good job of taking advantage of opportunities.

And when 9-11 happened, that's what we're. when they passed through the Patriot Act. Like, that's when they started taking it. It was the birth of the surveillance state, sir. Exactly. They know everything about you. I talk about this in specialists. Like, they know a woman's pregnant based on her migratory shopping patterns, sir.

Interesting. Okay? So they can, based on your migratory shopping pattern, they can pick up that you are with child. And you don't, before she knows it, before she knows it. That's crazy. Okay? That's what's crazy. They have cameras with full gate recognition.

So the way you... Gate changes on your pregnant? How you walk is in the cloud. That is a signature for you. Okay? Forget your biometrics. Cover your face all you want. They have cameras that can pick up how you walk.

The mathematics of how you walk is just like your fingerprint. They also have a laser that can shoot into your body and pick up your heart signature, sir. So good luck hiding from the state. It's here and that's it. Your privacy... One of the things that they're... were saying when it came to the abortion debate that I thought was very interesting that I hadn't considered is that they were they were talking about prosecuting women that left a state where

abortion was illegal and went to a state where it was legal and then returned and that they were going to do this based on apps so women have apps where they track their ovulation and that they could get the data from these apps I think it's outrageous yeah and it's outrageous yeah and it's It's also, that's where it gets really creepy because it's a lot of Christian fundamentalists. Well, it actually hinges on... It actually hinges on murder, right? So if you, if somebody came across state lines and murdered somebody, you could do that. That's absolutely legitimate.

When you define abortion as murder, okay, then that is, there is a, there are strong legal grounds to establish that precedent. Sure, but you're also not supposed to be prosecuting, say, if you're in Texas, there is a, there is a, there is a strong legal grounds to establish that precedent. Sure, but you're also not supposed to be prosecuting, say if you're in Texas, you're not supposed to be prosecuting someone for the actions that they did in Oklahoma. Unless it's murder. That's a federal crime. Okay. So if they approach it that way.

Yes. Yeah. So you certainly were republic, and so there are statutory laws, but they do not supersede in many cases federal law if it's something like murder. That's a capital crime. The problem is you're giving men the ability to track women's behavior in a way that I think it's very very fucking creepy. Also, when there's a significant portion of this country that believes women, you're

and you have access to abortions and for you to say no and it's their body that that gets slippery this is where we get into it gets real slippery and that gets into the more of a libertarian area you know where I think that's probably where I land a lot of the time now you're sounding like a leftist slash libertarian it's so weird right I'm very left when it comes to live and let live and accepting people for whatever it is whether they're gay or whether from another the country. Like, I'm open to everybody. I want you to just be cool. Be nice and be cool and try to do a good thing with your life and enjoy yourself and not harm others. When you're running, when you're, so when you have policy, the problem is we get into the weeds. Technology creates

problems that are major because typically, I think with Roe v. Wade, the abortion was legal until the fetus was viable on its own. Okay. So once the fetus was, if it could be, the cutoff thing was without the mother, if it needs the mother, then it's still part of the mother. Now, if the baby's eight months, no. But what happens when technology can keep a six-week fetus alive and bring it to term? Now you're dealing with, now you can't make the argument. But that's not the case right now. It will be. So now the problem becomes now what do you do? Now we have to redefine. So the people who believe in abortion or a woman's right to choose have to redefine what it is. And the only way to get around that is to say that a woman can make that choice

until the baby's born. And that's where you get politicians say, you believe that babies should be killed up until they're about, up until a woman's crowning. And then we get in this whole thing and then, you know. Yeah. Well, it also is a uniquely human issue in that it does get blurry. Like as much as I say, I'm 100%, I think a woman, it's her choice, especially at early stages. You know, if someone is pregnant for four weeks, that's your choice. I don't think anybody should be stepping in. However, everybody with any kind of a heart or a month, everybody loves babies. When you get to like eight months or seven months, you're like, whoa, that is a full-on baby inside of you, which is crazy. And then when you see what they do, when they do have late

term abortions. You could see the body parts. I don't know if you've ever seen it. Unfortunately, I can't watch that shit. I've watched some of those videos. And then you've also seen people who were working for Planned Parenthood, who are callously talking about sorting through these parts. I guess you have to be that way, don't you? I mean, there's no other way to do it. I guess, but there's some of those Project Veritas type videos where, you know, people are behind the scenes. It's so dark. But they don't. think there's anything wrong because they think that abortion should be legal and abortion is a leftist position and a woman should have a right to choose. So in their mind, this is what's

happening and like here's a leg and here's a heart and here's a head. This is where ideology, you have to be super inflexible, right? You got to be like, well, this is what I believe no matter what. Yeah, you can't live that way. No. Fuck that. You can't be. If you're not grossed out by a little baby hand that just got sucked out of a woman's vagina with a vacuum cleaner, that's kind of crazy. Bob Geldof said something. that was so interesting. You remember Bob Geldof? Sure. We are the world. And he was talking about Gaza, right? And you can get into a really, you can get into a debate about Gaza. I leave that shit alone because I'm not going to get into that because you can talk about Israel turned it in the surface of the moon. There's plenty of criticism in that direction. You can talk about what they did in October 7th and all that stuff. But he said something wild. He said, look, there are a lot of kids who are starving or at least malnourished or really hungry, whatever it might be. And he said something. He said something. He said something. He asked a question I thought was great. Get into the debate.

He said, but hey, who are we as human beings, as people? Who are we? Like, there's got to be something we can do. There's got to be something we can do, whether it's Israel, whether it's Palestinians, whatever, to at least get that kid fed, at least to stop that kind of stuff. And that's it. That, I think sometimes there's a question to ask. You've got to throw all your ideology out the window.

You've got to throw all your politics out the window and go, hold on. This is called the Stop Everything button. I'm going to push it right now. It's going to stop everything, and we've got to stop and make sure those kids are fed. Unless your ideology has gotten so dark that you think of those kids as an other. You don't think of those kids as kids. Those kids are orcs. Yeah, that's what the Vedanta always says, that the seeing nothing, no other is the way, ultimately realizing that you and that person, back to what you said, you'd be that person to under those circumstances.

But then there's a cold, hard reality of environment. and culture, right? If you grow up in this radical jihadist culture. They're good ideas and bad ideas. Let's not get it twisted. It doesn't mean you're an intellectual and say everything is everything, okay? We're not being relativist here. What I'm saying is if you live in a part of the world that's fucked, you're going to be fucked.

That's right. That's right. You're going to be fucked. Which is then we have to go, hold on, there is a better way and there's a bad, there's a worse way. When you lose that side of that, like there's, there is a better way. There's good, there's evil, there's better, there's worse. and that takes some time to understand the meaningful difference.

Have you ever talked to Evan Hafer about his time in Afghanistan? Yes. Some of the things that he told me, the things that he saw and the things that he like personally witnessed. Yes. He's like, you really get this feeling like he just can't. Yeah, man. You can't deal with this. And this is my thought on that.

It's like, I wonder if that's what life was like all over the world thousands and thousands of years ago. I wonder if like kind, nice people were like an Aberyst, And if most of the war, like, what we're seeing in places like Afghanistan, these warlord-driven mountain communities of people that are, like, I wonder if that's like how most of human history was. I believe it was. I believe it was too. You had that, you had that, the Daryl Cooper said the greatest thing about the Middle East conflict. He said it's a part of the world where people have to give up who they could be for who they have to be. and that's a beautiful way to put it because that is that is that is what we are so man as

as americans especially a certain kind of american we're so lucky because i get to be who i get to try to be who i want to be i don't have to settle for who i have to be i don't have to watch my kids go hungry and do some bad shit because my kids couldn't get water i'm going to be slit in some throats but i never had to face that stuff i never had to embrace the angels of my darker nature just to survive. Yeah. And it's a luxury, man. And you also never had to, like, those people never get to stray from that path

because they're in that path from the time they're a child. And if they make it to be 30 and they're living like that, it's a miracle. If you lose an election in a lot of countries, you die. You don't live to see another day. How about Mexico? We were talking about the amount of assassinations in Mexico? I had Ed Calderon on, you explained it. He was like, they're all working for the cartel.

That's what it is. It's cartel on cartel violence. That is so crazy, man. And it's like, why is that? Because drugs are illegal. And so only the outlaw sell the drugs. And we are the ones who buy it. And so we prop up this fucking illegal market that's right next door.

We're the biggest market in the world for that stuff. I know. And it's just, that's another human problem. Like, so what do you do? Do you make everything legal? Because then you're going to have drug addiction and you're going to have all sorts of problems and people are going to overdose that probably wouldn't. But is that better than like allowing people that overdose accidentally on fentanyl?

because they just wanted a bump of coke. You can stack bodies. That's one way to do it. You can actually, like he was saying, treat it like an insurgency and stack bodies like we did with ISIS. We solved that ISIS problem. Nobody ever talks about that.

We solved that ISIS problem in about six fucking months. Trump said, I'll tell you what, you guys, let's take the gloves off and just go to work and we stacked bodies. And that kind of went away in six months. It is, if you want to get really ugly, there's one aspect of it.

You can do that, and I believe that's possible, and a reason I believe it's possible for some countries like the United States is because we've done it, and that'd be pretty ugly, or the other thing is to maybe look into legalizing or taking the profit out of that kind of behavior. That's the second thing. The third thing you could do, you could do, is you could actually go to the cartels, which is controversial, but I know it was on the table, and cut a deal, which is tell you what, guys, tell you what, guys. us where all the fentanyl is, all the fentanyl factories in this country and in Mexico. No fentanyl, no human trafficking, but you can sell, let's say, marijuana and cocaine. How's that sound? Well, I'd heard about that too. Yeah.

I'd heard that involved like a financial exchange. Sure. And yes, that's right. And also pay us some reparations. So here's, I don't know, $5 billion today. We'll give you $5 billion in about five years. Which is crazy. Listen, listen.

It's a deal, right? These are business people. But do you really think that they would honor that deal? But that then essentially you're opening up the door to, well, they're just a pharmacy now. They're a pharmacy for illegal drugs that we can't stop from coming in. So at one point in time, should we just accept the fact that people want to buy drugs and sell drugs? Because look, if cocaine was pure, how many people would be just doing a bump every now and then on a Saturday night? You can't sustain it.

If you want to do blow, nobody did a bunch of blow. Nobody had a lot of problems. Did a bunch of blow and it got better than next day. But that's a bunch of blow. Some people don't do a bunch of blow. blow, but they'll occasionally do blow. A little... But no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I mean, some people can just party

on the weekend. Okay. Right. We don't think that's the case because we think everyone's a crackhead. Right. Everyone just loses their whole life. Like, we don't even know because it's illegal. Right. Right. Right. We don't know how, like, this Dr. Carl Hart's position. You know, Dr. Carl Hart... In other words, people can actually use drugs recreationally and be fine.

That's him. And he's a professor. It's called individual responsibility. They're adults who can do it. Yeah. And he's like, the problem is this propaganda about what drugs are. He's the heroin guy? Yeah. He tries heroin. He don't do it that way. Sorry. Oh, sorry. Sorry, dude. I'm not cool. He can't say he's the heroin guy. He's the heroin guy. But he's brilliant and he's a very interesting guy when he talks about it. You're getting the perspective of a very educated person who was a complete, clean, sober person until he became a clinical researcher. And then as he's researching these drugs and doing like actual scholarly work he realizes like oh they not this is

not real at all this propaganda is nonsense like the heroin addiction thing he's like it's like the flu it's like you just you feel like shit for a couple days then you get over and you're fine it's like it's not well he's i mean you're right that most most people use drugs recreationally and it doesn't run their life so again i i i subscribe to that idea like let people do they're going to do it anyway they're going to smoke weed they're going to do blow they're going to do that shit

but it was would it this is my position I think yes but if they did make it legal where you can go to CVS and buy heroin or go to CVS and buy cocaine you're going to go a lot more people that buy it and try it because it's now

legal you know so you get a lot more drug use initially maybe in the short term yeah because our culture is fucked up our culture is like designed to accept legal things that are very detrimental to like alcohol, which is a hugely detrimental, one of the worst ones for you.

We're bigger than cocaine. Yeah. Well, that's all, that's one of the things that Hunter Biden said. You ever hear Hunter Biden talk about crack? No. Makes you want to try crack. It's amazing. He did this interview with, what is that guy's name?

Andrew Callahan. And he did this whole thing where he described how amazing crack is. I swear to God, it makes you want to try crack. Yeah. But, you know, he asked him, you think crack is safer than alcohol. He's like, yeah, probably. Yeah, it's probably safer. And it probably is.

Well, first of all, crack. crack is devastating quickly. Like, you'll wake up in three years and have no house and be on the street. Alcohol, you can be an alcoholic for 40 years before you realize, holy fuck, I got nothing going on. Yeah, that's true, too. Right? So, again, I mean, I think that the idea is you can legalize it. There's a lot of money in enforcement.

And, you know, or you can stack bodies. Well, in the back of the day, people used to snort cocaine, and if you took the free basing, you had a real problem. Like, that was Richard Pryor. Richard Pryor was fine until he started freebase. Sure. But most of us are going to go. But that's crack. Right.

Pre-basing is crack. But most of us would, like most of us are busy, right? Like you're going to have people that are going to fuck their lives up, just like they do with alcohol and everything else. And cocaine and crack. And gambling. But most of us, even if it's exactly. But if it's around, we'll navigate it. Exactly how we're going to navigate social media.

Exactly how we navigate alcohol. Right. Right. You're going to start to see. People are going to start to realize they're being gamed by body. by bots by the most extreme examples your algorithm is lying to you so pretty soon what happens

you say things like I'm not gonna fucking I'm gonna get off social media I don't listen it takes like 10 years before they figure that out though right okay but it takes while and then we'll have another problem but I just think every time you try to fucking

nanny state or just make the world yeah make the world fix the world with force right and law it's kind of like squeezing a balloon the gas is the air is the air is just going to go on another part of the balloon. As I get older, I'm like, I don't know, man.

There might be a much easier way to do this shit. Yeah. Well, personal responsibility is huge, but also counseling. Like, if you're going to allow drugs, you do it have to be a whole support system set up to help people with addiction. But then also, they should bring in Ibogaine. I mean, what they're doing with Ibegain in Texas, with veterans and with people that are drug addicts, they've had tremendous results. It stops your addiction dead in its tracks. It's crazy, right?

With one session, 80% of the people never returned. and with two sessions, 90 plus percent of the people never return. To alcohol? To alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, whatever it is. Holy shit. Whatever you're hooked on. Doesn't Ozempic work for that shit too? Ozempic seems to have some sort of an effect on that as well.

Yeah. Yeah, it has some sort of effect on... The craving part of your brain? Addictions, yeah, because it's like it stops appetite, so I wonder if it stops like an appetite for like wild shit too. Yeah. Come on, seven. You know, it's people that are gambling addicts.

Yeah, apparently it helps. I think that the peptides and all that shit, technology is going to make it so that we can figure out a way to control a lot of that shit. I think so, too. Yeah. I think they'll... They have very good drugs for alcohol. Very good drugs. You can take a drug for alcohol.

The problem is, it's not the alcohol. The problem is when you take away somebody's addiction, like alcohol. Then they still have an edge for something. But no, but it's also like all the fun of your life. Do you know that when you get a, when people get gastric bypass and they stop eating, suicides go up for them? them because eating was how they fucking dealt with all their problems. Like, so you're taking, you know, you're, you're taking away the addiction, but you're not getting to the source because you've got to be able to replace that shit.

You got to tournament and triathlete, like that old lady. Which is why you've got to go to church. I'm a man of God. I got to do something. Do you? Yeah, I've gone to church many times. I like it. I got to red rocks.

Don't tell people where you go. Oh, sorry. They're going to come see you. I'm not that famous. Sit right behind you and stare at your Bible. See if you're on the right page. This is my fame. People go, you know Joe Rogan?

Can you get this thing to him? I got a deal. Yeah. I want to sell shoelaces. I don't even do. I love that. Sometimes people will just come up with like today. Great idea.

It's like, you know, it's a good thing. And you were like, I'm just not interested. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to be in business with anybody. No. It's not fun. No.

I've tried it. Yeah. It's not a good time. I do have a business proposal. Yeah. I do have a business proposal. I have an idea I'm sure you do

I have one idea I'm busy I brought you I brought two ideas to you yeah they all suck well they didn't they're good tell everybody

you special Brian Callin it's out now my special there is false gods false gods I shot it at the mothership I'm very proud of it

I think it's going to be great who shot it for you um Dana who's Sam Tripley's a lady oh nice I love Dana so much

and she's that's the second thing she did she did Manteers and this is a I'm dropping this tomorrow beautiful and this will air tomorrow it'll it's today so oh wow it's listening oh shit it's today all right if you're listening it'll be tomorrow but it'll oh shit October 15th yeah exclusively on YouTube that's it yeah fucking ha brother and now I'm back to square one I'm gonna shoot my next one at the mothership I'll see you tonight but are you gonna be yeah I'll be there tonight I'll be there too let's go thank you for the time

my pleasure my brother always good to hang out hey and come see every one other Wednesday at Brian Red Band's Club Sunset Strip we do acting off Do you know about my show? Oh no, what's that? Oh, dude, I take all the comics in Austin and we see who the best actor is

so you've got to do things like die in slow motion who does that the best or redo the scene from the notebook as Miss Piggy and Donald Trump is fucking hilarious Peyton Ruddy is a fucking killer in it Dan Marinella

Dude, it's been so amazing and we haven't promoted it but I'm starting to promote it now because we're gamifying it we have teams and see who can do the best like, you know, interpretation. We have up-close acting, so we have a camera on your face.

This is another thing that pisses me off about all these comics talking shit about the Austin scene. There's so many things going on here. This idea. So many clubs. People have, like, made this, again, this straw man. Like, you have to have an N-word joke and you have to have a trans joke. Like, that fucking club is so diverse. Incredibly diverse.

But naturally. Yes. With no effort. It's all just funny people. Who's the funniest? People are funny in. all shapes and sizes from all walks of life, whatever

struggle you've had that manifests itself in humor. That's right. It exists. There's tons of people in that club that are gay. Most of the comedians... Handicapped. Most of the comedians, by the way, are liberal. So that throws that out the window. This whole idea that it's some fucking right wing comedy club.

Like, stop it. Most of the people there are liberal. Correct. Most of them. Correct. But it's just this walled garden thing. When people are on the outside and there wasn't, there hasn't been a scene here before right and then you have the scrubs that were here like they ruined the comedy scene like you guys had nothing shut off you shut up stupid lazy hole you had nothing

there was it was it was it was it was it was the wasn't even have a comedy club when i moved here cap city was closed you know how i know because i was gonna buy it right i was looking i went to look at the fucking place where cap city used to be and i was going to purchase it yeah that's how i know it was under good club now it's the new one that's a different one yeah yeah the old one was great too which is like an event center now. But yeah, the new one is great. But the mothership brought a bunch of comedy here, so there are a lot of other clubs that are really fun,

quaking a cave. Because we made it so that first of all, you've got a club that has two days of open mic nights, and you've got a real guy in Adam Egan, who's a real talent coordinator, that really helps the development of comedians. And he does it really, like, consciously. Takes it very seriously.

Takes it very seriously, and he's like, he really loves comedy and he really wants to help people, and he gives great advice, Adam's amazing. Adam actually watches sets. He sits in the audience and watches that shit. Oh, he takes his job very seriously. Unbelievable. Yeah. I mean, that's why I brought him in. I mean, he and I were the founders of the mothership. I mean, it was like, we did it together. I wouldn't have done it without him. I wouldn't have done it without him. I wouldn't have done it without him. I wouldn't have done it without him. A lot of the people that came from the store. Yeah. And this is a place that we're, it's new. And so if you're on the outside and you're not in, you try to find some criticism. That's, look, criticism is, like, criticism is, fine if you're telling the truth. But there's a bunch of people that are making things up because they're trying to attack something that they can't be a part of. That's right. And most of the reason you can't be a part of is because you're a cunt. You're a cunty person.

We have a no cuntz allowed. No, try to eliminate it. And we have. You know, we've actually banned some cunts, you know, because people were shitty people. And like, we're trying to have a real positive place. We can just get better at this art form. It's a love fest. Every time we go there. Everybody's having a good time. I love it. And you're going to have people that have better experiences there and worst experiences there. One of the things, like someone was saying that she went to a comedy show and Justin Martindale went on and then the next guy who came on started saying all these slurs about him. Yeah, you know what the next guy was? Who? Brian Holtzman. Okay? So if you know Brian Holtzman's act, it's a character he plays that's a complete

mania. And everyone he goes on, he went after Kim Kongton the other night. Kim Congdon has this great set. She's in the little boy's great set, very funny. He goes out and he goes, it's amazing watching women try to do things men do? What are you doing? Get in the kitchen! Get in the kitchen! It's a character he plays. Make me a

sandwich. He's the sweetest human being. The sweetest human being. So he did this with Justin Martindale doesn't care. Justin Martinale, give as good as he. He did fucking said, he like commented on it when this girl was talking shit about it. Yeah, that happened. Like, yeah, that happened with Brian Holtsman, you fucking asshole. You know what he's doing.

He does that with me. He does that with everybody. Every single person he goes on after he shits on them to set the tone and then he shits on everything. He shits on the tech guys walking around with the south by southwest. He goes crazy. He's funny as shit, too. He's a legend. Like, you know what he's doing.

So maybe this one comic didn't know. Maybe no one told her. But she's like spreading all this shit that it's like this hateful environment. No, no, no, no. It's not true. I know you wish it was. Because then it could suck and you're not a part of it. Come see how diverse the faces are in the fucking mothership.

It's the United Nations, dude. Yeah, it really is. It really is. And including because of Tony, there are a lot of people who are disabled who would never have a fucking stage. But because they did some shit on Kill Tony, Tony, like, you know, facilitated the fact that they have a place to perform every single fucking night and a community. And by the way, they've earned it. I'm not saying they haven't. Yes, and with Kill Tony, they have a very unique pathway where if they can really bang out a solid minute and kill, they can have a career.

Yeah. You can have a career. Yeah. And then. Timmy, no breaks. He does acting off, by the way. Oh, I'm sure he's hilarious. Dude, that dude is, he'll just come up with shit out of him and Peyton Runny will fucking, and Danny Martinello, they'll hit you with shit.

And we're just like, holy fuck. And that's Wednesday night at what time? Wednesday night, we do it at seven. We're doing it on October 22nd. come see what we do it's gamified where is the best place to find out when you guys are going to be there

is it the website comic strip on sunset strip website and my website but also my my Instagram and stuff I post about it and Nick Collins and my buddy Nick Simmons

funny as shit he's funny very funny he's fucking great we gotta get him in we gotta get those those guys are all auditioning too they're going through the whole process so it's great great guys all right you're false gods

available now on YouTube come see me All right. Love you, brother. Peace. Love you. Bye, everybody.