The Joe Rogan Experience - #2402 - Miranda Lambert

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

Miranda Lambert is a country musician who performs both as a solo artist and as a member of the band Pistol Annies. Her recent releases include “A Song to Sing,” a single recorded with Chris Stapleton; “Postcards from Texas,” a solo album; and “Hell of a Holiday,” an album recorded with Pistol Annies. She’s also the author, with Holly Gleason, of the cookbook “Y’all Eat Yet? Welcome to the Pretty B*tchin’ Kitchen.” In addition, she has her own clothing line, Idyllwind, and winery, Red 55, and oversees the pet charity MuttNation.www.mirandalambert.com www.idyllwind.com www.red55winery.com www.muttnation.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Go to ExpressVPN.com/ROGAN to get 4 months free! Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up at https://dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in NH/OR/ONT. Eligibility restrictions apply. Terms: draftkings.com/sportsbook. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Fees may apply in IL. 1 per new DraftKings customer. Must register new DraftKings account to receive reward Token. Must select Token BEFORE placing min. $5 bet to get 1 promo code to redeem complimentary 3-month NBA League Pass subscription, and max. $300 in Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Min. -500 odds req. Token and Bonus Bets are single-use and non-withdrawable. Bonus Bet expires in 7 days (168 hours) and stake removed from payout. Token expires 11/23/25. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. NBA League Pass: Subscription auto-renews monthly at then-current price (currently $16.99/mo); cancel anytime. Terms, restrictions, and eligibility requirements apply. Redeem League Pass by 12/19/25 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Rogan podcast checking out The Joe Rogan experience Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night All day I hate about the desk The desk is a mess Because my mind is a mess I wish my mind wasn't the best

You're a creative, that's how it works Is that how it works? Yeah, I think so Is that the excuse we use? I don't know, I'm trying to make myself feel better I think that's the excuse we use For each other Yeah

I'm a creative It's my go-to default. Is the compression on? Something sounds weird. Oh, it's just really loud. Something happened. Maybe my ears got better. What happened?

You can hear now? My ears aren't very good. Sometimes I, you know, when I'm underwater for too long, or I swim or something like that. And then I forget that my ears have water in them. And then they come out like, oh, there's that moment. We're like, oh, this is how I hear. I feel like I have the in-ear monitors for my job.

Oh, right. I still, like, I've been using them for, I don't know, 20 years. I'm still not used to them. Like, I come from, like, honky talk world where you can hear everything, hear the room. Well, it's so good that people have them now, because, boy, so many people I know from back in the day are almost deaf. Oh, yeah. I'm so glad we have them. It's not the same.

I mean, you don't feel the energy of the room, but it saved your hearing, which is helpful. It's a good trade-off. You can hear enough. It's a good trade-off. And so many of my friends who shoot guns, too, same thing. Yeah. You know, they started hunting when they were kids and no ear protection back then. And, you know, you say something to them.

And they're like, what? Like, they're all half death. Yeah. My dad was a police officer. And he's, I swear that's why my parents are still married. Because he can't hear it all. And the dog ate his hearing aid. And he never replaced it.

And I'm like, is that on purpose, dad? That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Yeah, you definitely develop an ability to shut things off. Yeah. otherwise because men and women think and communicate differently and if you want your wife to communicate with you the way your buddies do then what you married a dude yeah okay so if you want to be married to a woman you have to like listen and everything both ears and sometimes it's like

round about journey to get to the point and you can't go what the fuck are you talking about because they're like oh my god why are you so hostile so you have to go okay okay selective hearing yeah selective hearing. But my husband will like, I'll say it. And I'm like, say it back to me. And like, and I found that when I do that, it's worse. Because I'm like, I'm like, say what I said back to you. Get bananas at the store.

So he comes home. I'm like, where's bananas? I didn't get any. So don't repeat it. Just hold it in there. That's hilarious. He blocked it out for himself. Yeah, exactly.

That's very funny. Yeah. The hearing thing, the hearing thing is kind of nuts that no one knew. like it just makes you wonder like when did people when I wonder when people were aware that like loud music was going to kill your hearing

I don't know like just I mean I've had the in ears for a long time and they did save all of our ears but it's like I think that and then like the longer you go like still even though I have those like I turn them up way too loud I'm like missing right the energy

do you ever just say fuck it for this show take one out like sometimes when it's like like a house band, you just get to use wedges. I'm like, yes, this is amazing. What's a wedge? It's just like the little on stage monitor. Oh. You know what I mean?

But it's just so loud. I mean, it's so loud. And I also do, I do mounted shooting. And so. I saw that. That's crazy. And so it's a good reminder. Like, the first time I took off on the first, I just started it last year.

I'm not good at all, but I love it. And I took off on my horse and I forgot to wear your plugs. And I was like, well, I'm a musician. And I'd probably plug my ears when I'm shooting a revolver off of a horse. Yeah. But is it a revolver using a regular bullet? No? It's black powder.

Just the powder itself? Yep. So it's spectator safe, horse safe. So it just sprays powder. Powder and air. At the balloon. And it pops balloons. Yeah.

What distance? It could shoot, I think, 15 yards? Feet. Feet. Oh, okay. So you're just riding around the horse popping balloons? Uh-huh. I love it.

I do What was the origin of that sport I don't know actually One of my best friends Her name is Kenda Lonsane And she lives out in Scott Still She's like the 10 time world champion Whoa whoa hold on

There's a world championship Of popping balloons on a horse Yeah it's called Mounted Shooting And cowboy mount of shooting But she's cowgirl And she's like guys girls Everybody she's a badass And I became friends with her

And I just never had the guts to go do it you know and finally my husband was like stop talking about it and go out there and do it go out there and shoot with her you're going to love it wow and i got addicted immediately there's just like something different well it's very wild west right oh yeah it's essentially training how to fight with a gun on a horse yeah that's all it is except it's the balloon is the yeah but i mean it's that's how you would train yeah it's super fun and it's like you know just something it like started a new hobby at 40 like it's just try to like pre-occupy my mind and and I don't know I think it inspires me to like take a break from thinking about what I think about every single day which is music industry

you know so just like trying new things and saying what the hell let's go for it I think that's very good for artists I try to talk to comedians about that all the time I'm like get you pick up something man yeah hobbies are play golf go fishing do something for me I play pool Do something. I just started golf, too. I'm in my Try New Things era. There you go. Did you try new things era?

Yes, my yes era. Like, sure, I'll do it. Started golf. Not too great yet. But I did, I just played the Ryder Cup. Oh, nice. They had like a celebrity. Somebody heard I played golf, and when they heard that, I literally started like that day.

Jamie's a nut. And I-ie's a full-on golf nut. Literally was like cramming my ass off like this September because I was on tour all summer and I didn't have time to practice and you know how that feels like golf is you have to practice and do you have a coach I had a coach yes Dan I have a coach and he came with me as my caddy very helpful but it was it was an experience it was a lot of pressure did you feel it even though like nobody expecting you to win yeah I mean I just felt like what what the hell have I done when I got there it's like doing something you don't do in front of people right but you do it you just don't do it a lot

Yeah, and I don't do things in front of people, but it's singing. You do think in front of the people, and you're really good at it. That's the difference. Well, that's the thing, doing something that you suck at in front of people. It's a very scary place to me. Right, right. Jamie has O.J. Simpson's golf clubs. No, a couple of them.

Not all of them. I have a few. How many do you have? It's not really awesome at all. They're haunted. Whatever you're into? A couple of times. How many you got three? No, I mean, I got a whole set. Do you use them?

I use one of them. Did you hit well? I have. That's why I use it. Why are they blessed or curse? Well, he bought it as a goof. Yeah, it's just fun to talk about. It's a fun conversation starter.

It came up. Did you get him after he died? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got him like six months ago. I forgot. I forgot when he died. A couple years ago. Well, that's cool.

I mean, hey. I guess. But it is really important having some kind of a thing that you do to take your mind off of the business. Because the people that I know where their mind is only on show business, whatever it is, music, comedy, whatever it is, they go crazy. You can eventually get lost in your own little world. Yeah. You need a little break. You do.

And I think it's like, you know, especially if you're like a writer, like you got to go live to write about it. Or what are you writing about? Same shit you already said. Right. Right. It's like I need to go live a life and gather information and be around different people and sort of open my circle up to just. I don't know. Different experience or something.

Yeah, a different environment. Yeah. My friend Ari does that. He disappears for like three months every year and a half or so. Like he gets rid of his phone, gets rid of his email. He that goes off grid. Oh, he goes off grid. He goes to Asia.

He backpacks through Asia. And he's famous. He's a famous comedian. And he doesn't give a fuck. He just goes and vanishes for like, we can't find him. No one knows where he is. I don't hear from him for like three, four months. I just hope he's alive.

Does it change him? Oh, yeah. He comes back weird. He's weird already. He's weird as fun. Weirder. He's weirder when he comes back because he's, you know, been living in foreign countries for, you know, a long time. Well, I'm not, I mean, I'm just shooting balloons and swinging a golf club.

Nothing as cool as that. But the thing you're doing, the thing about both of those things is they require all of your focus while you're doing. I mean, if you're riding a giant animal while you're shooting a gun, like, there's no room for thinking about, oh, I got to do laundry. You know, there's no room. You're just doing that thing only. Yeah. that's what that's what I think I loved about it and got addicted to you know and I guess I don't really have I always say I don't have like an adrenaline junkie in me but I guess I'd have to

have a little bit for joining the circus like I did you know like yes you do it's kind of joined the circus yeah so but like I think that just that little that the focus and the little jolt right you get of like you know the same kind of how we get like after a show you know it's like I still guess I need that, but just in a different form. Yeah. Joining the rodeo. There's something about shooting at things, too. I do archery, and there's something about shooting at things that also just really cleans your mind.

Because in that moment while you're pulling a trigger, there's no room for anything else. If you're trying to hit a target, there's no room for anything else. And it just pushes all that stuff away. It gives you a little mental vacation. Yeah, 100%. And then you come back, like, cleaner. What kind of bow are you shooting? I shoot a compound bow.

Compound bow. Yeah. The Hoyt. Yeah. Yeah. I used to shoot bows. I haven't a long time. But I got him back out during 2020. Went out all the time in the world.

And my husband's from New York City. So I was like, I've got these bows. I'll teach you how to shoot a bow. So we just set up the targets and got them all fixed up. And it was fun. I mean, it is fun. It's the same thing I think you're talking about. It's very similar.

It's focus. It's just, even if it's just for a little while, it's that little moment in time that this is all I'm doing right now. Right. Have you ever bo-hunted? I used to be a hunter, yeah. Yeah? Yeah, I did a hunted for a long time. My dad. Tree stand?

Yep. Okay. Or ground blind either way. Right. Bow-hunting was my absolute favorite to do because it took the focus and it was intimate. Yeah. And it took a lot of skill in practice. Certainly.

To make sure you're going to, yeah. White tail? White tail. Oh, nice. But I raised a baby deer, a buck. Oh, that's a problem. Yep. That's a problem.

So my hunting days are. behind me he's on my heart we found a buck with a broken leg on our property and my wife took to feeding it yeah and uh all of her enthusiasm for me hunting kind of went out the window it changes things yeah because it's kind of like a dog like they're he was just like a dog like a full grown wild wild ass white tail deer like became like my pet and it's different than any other feral animal and that they domesticate like that. They really do. Like, he was literally, I'd come home and he would run over to me like a dog.

So definitely changed my mind. Well, I think it's because they're dumb, unfortunately. I think nature has them set up to be not very intelligent and just food. Yeah. You know, and he's a beautiful food thing. Yeah. That's really what they are. Yeah, my dad, my dad, you know, I grew up hunting with him, like, taught me how does she

a gun and all that stuff at 17 and when I raised that buck he was like it's over isn't it yeah it's over it's over yeah I'll never raise a baby elk I'll tell you that yeah don't do it I don't do it I mean we have deer in our neighborhood and I see these little cute babies that are born every year and you know we stop the car oh my god especially in Texas they're everywhere everywhere yeah yeah and there's not any predators out here because you just shoot them yeah so there's like these deer are all over the place and they're just They're super, unless they get hit by a car, I don't know what happens. They're, like, not affected.

Yeah. Anymore. No, no. But they are beautiful. And it's just, it's cool to have animals around. Just, it's cool to be, at least in some kind of form of nature. Yeah, I'm such an animal lover. I mean, I don't do well.

Like, that's why I brought your dog toys. I'm like, I just, I don't know, it's part of, like, who I am is to have, especially dogs. Like, that's my heart, but. Me too. I have a foundation called Mutt Nation Foundation. I started with my mom in 2009, and so far we've raised over $11 million since then. It was like a little mom-and-pop operation back in the day, but we just, it just has been my heart since I was a little girl.

I think growing up in the country where there's just animals everywhere, whether it's deer or stray dogs or stray cats or whatever. I think it just kind of prepped me for, you know, when you get a platform and someone's like, what do you want your charity to be? It's like, oh, I know what it's going to be. So what does your charity do? We rescue. Well, we advocate for rescue. Mutt Nation Foundation, we don't have shelters. We lift up the arms of shelters, is what we say, because we, my mom and dad were private investigators my whole life.

And so my mom, like, just because we started rescuing dogs just when I was a little girl, you know, you live in the country, people dump them off and whatever. Started adopting some from the shelter as a teenager and volunteering. And so, you know, she's so. sort of started vetting shelters just because that's her background, you know, checking up on people, make sure they're doing what they're supposed to. And so, like, 2009, it was like, oh, I kind of started to get a name for myself and you need to pick something that you're passionate about that you want to give back to. So we started it. And basically, we advocate for spay and neuter. We advocate for adopt, don't shop. And we raise money to give to shelters all over the

country. Every year we give a $5,000 grant to a shelter in every state and try to not repeat. So there's just so many that need help, you know, and there's so many amazing animals out there. We just try to remind people there's amazing animals out there that you don't have to go buy one. If my wife is allergic and one of my daughters are allergic, we still have two dogs, but if I, if that wasn't the case, I'd have like 50 dogs. I can't. But are yours not nonchievous? What's that? Yours are sheders, though, right? Yeah, they shed.

They do. You know, you just keep them clean. She's not nearly as bad as when I first met her. When I first met her, she really would get, like, hives if she'd pet the dogs. But also, I was not that good at washing my dogs. And they were always in the yard, playing around, and they're always dirty. Yeah. But if you don't have dogs, dogs are, like, extra love.

You have, your love in your life will be whatever the level's at now, it'll be, like, 35% higher. I 100% agree. For sure. I'm allergic to everything I love. Horses, cats, dogs. You're allergic to horses? All of it. That's crazy.

I live like, I live on Allegra. Wow. I'm just like popping Allegra and enjoy my life, but I don't care. It's worth it. One of my daughters is so allergic that we went to Rome once and we were on this horse-driven. They have like these tourist things you do. You sit in the back of a wagon, the horse drags around the city. And just being downwind of the horse, her eyes were swalling up.

We had to get out off the horse and walk. the rest of the way. And we had to find a pharmacy. It's terrible. Oh, it's bad. She's got it bad. Is she do shots or anything? She did that.

She did the whole thing, but they hated it, you know. And when my wife stopped doing shots, then all of her allergies got way better. And she was doing shots because Texas has a lot of allergens. You know, a lot of people that come from places like California, you don't realize it. You come here, and then you get whammed with like. I was sneezing all the way over here because I just landed. Oh, you get them too. You get them too?

I just like, I live in Nashville half the time and Austin half the time. And I, it's like the two of the worst places for allergies. I'm like. Oh, are they really? Yeah, it doesn't matter. I mean. I didn't know that Austin was that bad. And I didn't get them at all until really probably last year I started getting.

How long have you all been here? Five years? Five years. Almost six. So like, no, five. So like last year I started getting sore throats. And I was like, am I getting sick? What the fuck is going on?

Then I went to Vegas for the UFC. No sore throat. I was like, hmm. Came back, sore throat again. I'm like, oh, damn it, this allergy. It's irritation. Because it didn't make any sense. I was like, I feel good.

I feel like really healthy. But like this thing in my throat's bugging me. I'm like, maybe I've just got to be careful. Maybe I'm fighting off a cold. Because I didn't want to admit it. I was like, everybody else is getting allergies. I'm not getting them. But it makes sense if you're like not used to the trees and the grass here.

I mean, it's like, it's a whole new like ecosystem that you have to get used to. But the weird thing they say it takes like three years. before it hits you. And I was like, shut up. That doesn't make any sense. But it's true. Yeah, it's true. It seems to be true.

It seems to get you after like three years. So what do you do about it? Nothing. Just deal with it. I figure my body's going to adapt. I feel like if I just like let my body deal with whatever these allergens are and understand what they are, it'll figure it out. I took a lot of vitamins. It'll be fine.

Yeah. And it seems to be better. Like this year I got like a couple sniffles a few days in a row where I was like thinking I had a cold. And then I realized it was high something. mold or fucking cedar or whatever the hell it is. You just didn't have to pay attention to it before. Yeah, I guess. But whatever that is, all the positives about living here, like greatly outweigh it.

Yeah, I love it, too. This place rules. It does. I'm glad you all are here. You came in 2020 then, right? Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

My little brother lives here and his husband, Mark, and he went to UT and never came home. Our little town, Lendale, Texas is representing today. Nice. It's about 80 miles east of Dallas. And so I bought a place here in 2017 and spent a lot of time in Austin. It's great. It's great time. I mean, we should probably stop talking about how great it is because people want to move here.

Yeah. It's not that great. There's a lot of allergies, guys. Yeah, guys, stay home. Don't sneeze. I talked to a lot of people in a moving here, and I think I've done talking people. It's like, we're good. Well, Nashville is our other city that's happening to, but, you know, the more the merrier, really.

Well, the thing about Austin is, like, it wasn't really much of a comedy scene. There was one comedy club that closed before I moved here. It had already closed like before the pandemic. And I guess like at the beginning of the pandemic, it went under. And so the comedy scene here was kind of empty. And, you know, when we moved here and we started doing shows here, it was one of the only places in the country where you could do live indoor shows. And we were like, fuck it. And then comedians just started moving here.

Yeah. Because they were convinced that L.A. was never going to open. And once I was here and Ron White was here, Tony Hinchcliff was here. Everybody was like, well, let's, fuck it. I want to live. I don't want to be trapped in my house and not be able to perform for a year and a half or whatever it's going to be. Yeah. Data brokers are invading your privacy.

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My first show back, I think it was after like 332 days of no shows, no bus rides. What did it feel like? It was Billy Bob's in Fort Worth because like you said, Texas was like, what COVID? We're going to go do stuff. We're going to hope you talk right now. so it was we did a little residency at billy bobs and we did five shows and i mean i mean but i had it before i had i had i had it before we even knew what it was on the road like i was around so many people was on tour and before we knew it it was i had this thing like none of my tricks worked

with like all my singer tricks like steroid shot b12 i v vocal rest like just couldn't shake it and then a month later it's like oh that's because it's something real bad We've never heard of I had to cancel shows It was terrible But the first show back I had five in a row But the first one was like

Just rowdy And like So old school honky talk Feeling and like I was crying It was just It was a cool moment It feels weird right

It was good to miss it though Yeah that's true It was really good to miss it I You know I never had a chance to I never stop Country music especially

Like we just don't We just tour year around weekend warriors make a record tour it for two years do it again repeat rinse repeat and i've been doing this as i was 17 so like just years and years of not knowing if i could miss it just you know grinding and i did i mean i was like dang i i miss my bus i miss the road which i wasn't sure what happened right because it's so grading it is it's hard and so uh yeah i was i was happy to be back but now it's back harder than ever. It's like just, you know, it's a different, it hits different after 40.

You don't recover as quickly. Do you ever, like, carve out vacation times? Like, say, like, for the month of December, I'm not doing shit. Yeah, that's the winter. Like, last year, I went to Arizona. I went to Phoenix area and rode with all those cowgirls shooting guns off horses. And I was like, and I was just so rejuvenated and refined. And I was like, I need to make that a priority.

Like, I just think none of us are good at that. If you're really driven and really goal-oriented and, like, you are, I mean, I have to, like, make myself. And then I'll go and say, well, they're working me to death. They is me. I'm the one adding shit to my calendar. That is me. My husband's like, you said you were going to be off this week. Like, well, I had this one.

It's like, so I really am making, like, the priority, like, take some winter months. And, you know, because we start touring in the spring. and don't stop until the winter again. So I feel like it's, you know, it's important. It's intelligent, right? It's an intelligent thing to do, to give yourself a forced vacation, some sort of a break.

So just think of your creativity as like a battery. You can't run your phone until it's got zero. You've got to charge it. So stick it in the cable, put it into the wall, let it charge for a little while. Like, you've got to think about it that way, I guess. What do you do for? You're chill, Tom.

I don't do a lot of chilling. Well, I don't think so. I just do other stuff. Same. I was like, I feel like you're preaching to the choir. Yeah, I mean, I watch TV. I like to watch documentaries and stuff, and I watch fights, and I watch YouTube videos. But I can't do it much, or I just don't like that feeling.

I feel like I'm wasting time. So I have to keep myself off the time. You do other things. Well, that's the things. Like, I'm not just, you know. going out there to chill out on the couch. I'm like, I'm in the desert doing something physical. Also, like, musicians are like, our life isn't that physical.

Like, we don't, it's kind of a, as far as, like, activity. Like, we're writing songs, we're sitting around writing songs. We're sitting around practicing. We're standing there, you know, until the show part. So, like, I have to make sure I, like, my hobbies should be active. Yeah. You know? Sure.

Just, and also do something that, like, like active stuff stimulates your mind more. And I think active stuff will probably aid in your writing more, right? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I think so. It has to. I mean, it just makes sense.

Yeah. It's when you, when you sit down to, do you like sit down and write in front of a computer? Do you wait until an idea comes to you? Do you write on a piece of paper? How do you? All of it. Usually, like, I love to co-write. Write by myself.

I'm not good at it. I encourage it for any artists I'm mentoring or anything else, but I need to do it myself more. Because co-writing's fun. You're like hanging around with, which I met you, actually, at one of my favorite writers' benefit, Jack Ingram, him and John Randall is my other best friend and I, we, which I think you've met him to, we have a little side project we call the Marfa tapes and we would go out to the desert in Marfa, which is, have you been there yet? No, haven't. It is like a different world. That's what Rick Rubin says. It is a different, literal, different world.

And it's so, like, it's magical. I don't know what's in the air out there. How far is the drive? From here? About six and a half. Six and a half. Is that coffee? Yeah, you want some?

Yeah. Anyway, like, we'll sit around and J.R. is amazing tar player. Cheers. Thank you. He'll come up with, like, a riff or somebody has a title. That's why I like co-wrought. I don't know. It's more fun to celebrate it with your friends.

You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. I mean, some of the best ideas that comedians ever come up with, we come up and then the green room, because we're just riffing. Yeah. Like, there's always a moment, like, you know, we're hanging around and Tony will say something. Well, like, dude, write that down. Write that down. Yeah. Same thing. It's exact same thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like, you know, creativity is interesting because you want to be inspired and you're never more inspired than you are around other creative people. Yeah. Especially people that are better than you. Yeah, for sure. It's like, I'm like, oh, you're a really great writer and great musician. We should be friends. I need to learn from you, and you make me look cool. Yeah, and it kicks up your desire to do better a notch. Yeah, especially, like, too, I've been working with younger artists, and I love seeing

their fire, like they're, like, race horses at the gate, you know what I mean? And it reminds me of how that felt and reminds me to find my moments where I feel that way, too. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I feel the same way about working with young comedians. It's important. It's good. It's like great to see the sparkle in their eye when they do like their first big crowd. Yeah.

Like, come on, man. This is just like a regular club. Go out there. Give me some knuckles. Right. And you see, watch them kill in front of thousands of people and they come back. They're like, whoa. And you're like, uh-oh.

Now you got the bug. Yeah. Well, they had the bug already. But it's like you get to feel it. I get to feel it again for the first time. I've done it so many times. it's almost kind of normal, which it never should be normal, you know, and you get to see somebody else experience, like, the jolt of, like, what it feels like that spotlight in your

face and all those people in the crowd, and it's exciting. It is, and it's good. It's, like, it's a reminder, you know? I think it's so important. People like, do people ask you this? Like, do you get nervous? Like, I get, uh, I don't get nervous. Like, I get, um, anticipation. Yeah, that's a great word. I don't know. I'm going to start saying that because I was like, I don't really have an answer because I care and I want to do well and I get like this it's anticipation it's not nerves per se I think once you stop feeling something really you're doing the wrong thing matter what it is I'm sure you feel that whenever you get on one of those horses with a gun in your hand yeah I haven't stopped feeling anything yet here we go this is crazy I'm still feeling all

those feels for a while I'm sure I don't know if that'll ever go away right because you know you're not in control of the horse No, it's not up to you And I think that's why I like it It's because I I've grown to trust me In my gig Like I trust me

I trust my band But mostly it's up to me Like I'm the one Stay in there for the microphone And I know My capabilities And I know What I can deliver

On a hobby Like golf I'm like I don't know What the hell's about to happen When I swing this club This is not up to me This little sign of bitches moving and I can't hit it.

It's just like, I don't know. And the same thing with the horse, it's like up to my horse. It's not up to me. I can aim and I can have the skill and be learning how to ride, but it's about him, you know. Yeah, for sure. His name is cool. That's his name? Yeah.

With a K or a C. It's a C. He's cool. That's a great Morris Day in the Time song. Yeah. You never heard that song? No. Oh, it's a great song. I need to hear it.

We have a theme song and I didn't know it. Yeah. We'll give her some of the time song. that we'll have to cut this out otherwise we'll get removed from youtube but play morris day in the time cool this is like during the prince days morris day in the time i think is like one of the most underappreciated bands from that era from like the early 90s because they got kind of eclipsed by prince yeah you know because they were hanging around with prints and they were part of like the whole prince i don't know anything you don't know what morris day in the times i don't oh my god play cool

by Morris Day in the Times. I'm making sure it's the right one. I got a version that says it's just Morris Day and then another version popped up that said it was just the time. Either way, it's always going to be Morris Day singing. I don't think the time ever played without Morris.

Morris is cool as fuck, though. Here it is. All right, we'll edit this out. For people at home, sorry, go find this. That's awesome. Look at the clothes. Oh, it's so corny. It's so great.

It's so like... What year is that like? God, I don't know. It's got to be early 90s, right? 91. 81. Dang. Wow.

I wasn't even born on the earth. That's crazy. 1981. Wow. I was a freshman in high school. I'm an 83, baby. I was in my junior year or sophomore year. Yeah, I was a freshman in high school back then.

That's crazy. Wow. It was a weird time back then because Prince was so big. that there was like a bunch of fake princes like people started imitating Prince it's almost like a lot of... It's always what happens Mm-hmm yeah men become androgynous There's one and then they're like oh let's all be like that one

So there's 20 more that on is good I know yeah there's a bunch of fake Michael Jackson's I'm sure There was a bunch of people that just tried to do something Like what is he how what's that guy doing you know And with Prince it was like what is this what's happening here Very like very uniquely authentically himself. So even that was like trying to be too close probably.

A little bit. You know what I mean? Yeah. Not as good. That's the problem. You're not as good as Prince. You're awesome. You're great.

But Prince is like a once in a generation superstar weirdo talent from Mars. Exactly. There are those. There's some that just aren't from here. Yeah. Right. That guy was just different than everybody. You know, I remember I was delivering newspapers when I first heard.

a print song and I was like this is crazy like who is this guy it was I want to be your lover do you remember that? Oh that fucking song and it was like this is a guy singing like a girl on stage she's like three feet tall and all the women want to fuck

him like this is nuts I've never seen anything like this in my life what's happening? Like what did this guy do this guy's a sorcerer like what he was so talented that he could wear stilettos on stage and no one cared and no one cared and And it wasn't like, boo, what are you dressing like a girl?

No one gave a fuck. He was so good and so, there's something about the magnetic personality that he had. There was like, the charisma that he had was like so undeniable that everybody was like, holy shit, what is this? That's not taught. That's innate. You're born with that. You can't teach Prince.

How do you teach that? No, you don't. Like, you grew up in Jersey, right? I was born in New Jersey. But I only lived there until six. Where'd you grow up? I grew up everywhere. I lived in San Francisco from 7 to 11.

I lived in Gainesville, Florida, from 11 to 13. Lots of moving. Yeah, a lot of moving. And then I lived in Boston from 13 to 24. Then I lived in New York. New York? For a few years? No, I couldn't afford parking.

So I had to live outside the city because I'm a comedian. I had a drive everywhere. I had a lot of road gigs. That's where I made my money. Yeah. So to drive to Connecticut, Rhode Island. Like in the city, it was like a parking spot was hundreds of dollars a month back then. So I lived in New Rochelle.

Okay, cool. My husband is, was NYPD. He retired after eight years, but because I drug him down to Tennessee and now Texas. Nice. And now he says y'all. Does he say y'all, unironically? How long has you been there? We've been married seven years.

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Like you know Dallas is our biggest city And it's 80 miles So I had so much fun Like I just He was still a cop So I just wandered around all day Like I had gigs on the weekends

But like Monday through Wednesday I'm just like Desperate Housewives of Soho I'm just like Running around And like going to rock clubs by myself and having lunch by myself and having wine and meet people. And it's just, it's a city that, like, nobody cares who you are at all.

They're just like, they're like, it's an amazing city. It's amazing. If you like cities. Yeah. I mean, I like visiting cities. Six months was, I got my fill. I loved it. We're there a ton because his family's still there.

But I just, I enjoyed, like, really immersing because I'd never done that. And I'm not really a city girl, but I was like, I'm just going to use every bit of this that I can. wrote some great songs like wrote one called fire escape i didn't even know what that was before you know what's fire escape used to walk out the door you know so it was it was cool it was cool time but well that would be a great place to like rewire your brain creatively to write stuff because you're forced in a totally different environment yeah and the weirdest environment in earth in my opinion i think the weirdest environment on earth for human beings is when they're stacked on top of each other in cities yeah because i don't think that's normal

at all. No, it's not. I think your whole body just goes, well, like you're always at three or four all day long. Always. Never at zero. Yes, my husband just now, like, we literally talked about yesterday. I was like, you are finally, like,

at a regulated nervous system level. Because it just, I think he was just used to, like, just you have to vibrate at a different energy. Especially if you're a police officer. Like, that's a whole different, you know what I mean? And so, finally, like, We have a farm in Tennessee, and we were there for, like, a couple days this week and just chilling, making cookies and being normal.

And it's like, he's finally, like, enjoying that. Because even when I had my little time in New York City, I was like, this is a, it's a lot of, like, I couldn't do this 24-7 for long periods of time because I just can't come down and, like, ground myself. Right. I need to touch grass. Yeah, I do, too. Being a cop in New York City has got to be, like, one of the most stressful jobs in the history of the world. Yeah, I think so. That's, I mean, that's right up there, like, below being a soldier in war.

Like, being a cop. I mean, I have friends that are cops or that were cops that will tell you that the people that are working in the field, like, as police officers and they're going and seeing things on a daily basis. They're seeing way more carnage, way more fucked up things than these guys who had served, they did both. They were like, I saw way more as a cop than I ever did. an office. It makes sense. It's a lot. I mean, his whole family, police officers. My whole family is firemen and police officers, too. So I think that was kind of our bond anyways. We grew up exactly the same just in different parts of the country. Well, I was around a lot of cops when I was a kid because of martial arts. We were always training with cops. And, you know, I'd listen to stories

that they would tell me about, like, things that they got into. And they were getting into things like that on a daily basis. There was always shootouts. There was always car wrecks. There was always murders and domestic violence cases and just like man how many of those guys are just walking around with severe PTSD and no one cares no one respects no one's talking about it like they're just you know I think that like they don't even acknowledge it themselves like I know my dad worked vice in Dallas for his whole career and and back in the day like and my and my husband like they just don't and then they just come home and like you know I'd kill my hearing aids too He's like the dog ate it.

I guarantee you that he just threw it away. He fed it to put peanut butter on that fucking thing. Good job, Reclaimer. We know what you did now. He put peanut butter on it. That's just wrong. It's just wrong in so many ways. Yeah, man.

He probably needed peace and quiet. Yeah, he needs mom to hush. Yeah, everybody shut the fucking world off. You know, one of the greatest pool players, if not the greatest pool player of all time, is deaf. There's a guy named Shane Van Boning. Really? And he shuts his hearing eight off when he plays. So it's just silent?

Yeah, just fuck off world. And he's just in it. Like people could be screaming in the crowd and he doesn't hear shit. What is it about pool? Like what's the, what you said you play pool, you like it? I've been playing pool for 35 years. Yeah, I've been playing forever. But what is it about that particular?

Because the balls don't give a fuck who you are. They don't care what you think you are. They don't care who you know, how much money you have. You know, what you've accomplished already. How many shots you've already made? The balls don't care. The pockets are four and a quarter inches wide, and if you don't hit it perfect, it doesn't go in.

And it requires all of your concentration. And if you really know how to play pool, then you're dealing with, like, English. So you're dealing with, like, spin on the cue ball left and right, and you're dealing with draw and follow. It's a dance of the mind and these orbs. You're hitting a ball into another ball. and trying to get that thing to go straight.

And it just requires this complete harmony of hand-eye coordination and your spirit. Like you have to, like, stay calm while you're doing it. That's why. That's a very good explanation of that. I'm the worst pool player. I mean, you would think, like, playing as many hockey talks as I have played, that I could play pool. It's so bad. that think they can play pool can't play pool most people don't know really how to play pool like back in my day it was like just a place to flirt yeah it's that it's that the thing about pool is once you get down the road and you start understanding you get you really start getting the game and understanding and then playing in tournaments and then gambling then you're dealing with like real pool players and these real pool players play pool eight hours a day wow every day you have to because you know how the

thing of like being comfortable on stage or being comfortable riding a horse, being comfortable like shooting a bow or playing golf, multiply that times a hundred and you have pool. Because pool's the only game where you take a stick and you hit a ball into another ball. Every of the game you hit a ball, you just hit a ball with a stick. But in pool, you're hitting a ball into a ball and controlling the movement of both balls. Like the one that's hitting the ball, you're controlling how it spins off to get perfect position on the next shot. And then the other one, you want to make sure it gets the exact right angle to go into the pocket while you're calculating all this spin and the geometry of the table and

avoiding collisions. It's maddening. It's very, like, I just got anxiety. It's maddening. I just got stressed out. It'll drive you crazy. It's a game that it will drive you crazy. But when you catch it, there's a thing called being in stroke and being in dead. stroke it's a rare thing it happens like you know once a month or something like that where you just can't miss where you know where everything is and it's this like calm that comes over like the world dissolves and all you feel is the table and you're completely in sync with the movement of the balls you know how many revolutions each ball is going to make you feel the difference between two extra revolutions

like you know where how hard to hit it exactly and that's what everybody's chasing they're chasing this feeling of being why does it happen once a month because it's so hard to get there you'd probably get there all the time if I played like a pro

like eight hours a day you probably get there once a week but nobody stays there but that's probably the draw that keeps you coming back yeah dudes do drugs just so they can get there they get hooked on pills they get because they find that like maybe it's amphetamine maybe it's opiates, whatever it is.

Like some guys will do drugs and find that spot and then go back to drugs just to get to that spot. From pool? From pool. Dang. Oh, it's a nutty game. I mean, I've never ever dug into it like that. Oh, at the highest levels, guys are gambling

from hundreds of thousands of dollars in these fucking weird places in Kentucky and weird pool haul. They're streaming online on YouTube. They stream it on different websites. Oh, it's at the highest level, it is a crazy game. It's a crazy game. Well, I never knew that, but I learned a lot about that today.

I know a dude is one of the best in the world and he can't travel because he needs pills. So he can't go like overseas, he can't go anywhere. He can't travel without his pills. If he does, he won't play white. Really? Oh, it's nuts. Yeah. It's a head game.

Oh, it's it. This is my friend Jeremy Jones, who won the U.S. Open, won the greatest players of all time. he's like it is the most and he plays everything he played baseball like at a high level he plays golf he's like it is the most mental game and it's why nobody's good at it that's why it never gets to it never got to a place where it was like really appreciated professionally right because you have to know how to play it to be to understand what you're seeing yeah to really see people play well you have to know what what's happening i don't i never i'm not like good at any i've not played sports so i'm not good at them.

No sports at all? I didn't really, I mean, I grew up kind of playing softball here and there. So is golf like the first thing really? Golf is my first and my mountain shooting, which is technically labeled a sport. That's a sport for sure. So that's like it's new to me. Sports are new because I just, I don't know, I started this at 17 and didn't and just was laser focused like horse with blinders doing country music.

What is it like going from just being a regular high school kid and all of a sudden 17 just being thrust into a spotlight well I wasn't in the spotlight at first I was playing shitholes with no lights but even shitholes there's some kind of light you're on stage the pool light I don't know like I just I don't know I feel like that I didn't have a choice it picked me like it's the only thing I've ever been good at everything is hard everything else is hard to me but like music was the only thing that I was like I guess this is what I'm supposed to do because I'm actually good at it like it comes naturally so many people have a thing like that and they say oh that's just unrealistic I can't do that I didn't have a backup plan that helped

I barely graduated high school I was like I don't want to waste my dad's money that does go to college I was like I have no backup plan so like it really does help the hunger that it creates is like a fire that you can't explain. And it's not good advice. I would never give the advice of don't have a backup plan because some people are not going to make it. And then they'll blame you. You told me I shouldn't have a backup plan.

But I really think that for someone who's got some talent and a real desire to do that and you can stay the course, you could deal with the hard times, like you can't have a backup plan. You cannot because that backup plan will rob your time. Yeah. That's the thing you have to think of. It robs your focus. It steals from your energy.

Yeah. So it'll stop you from reaching your full potential. Fuck your backup plans. Yeah. I mean, it didn't come from me. Yeah. It comes from me. Fuck your backup plan.

I don't want to get blamed, but I just think that's like the reason that it happened is a lot of hard work, obviously, and determination. But just nothing else. I have nothing else. Like, I was terrible at school, terrible at sports, how to get tutoring, had to, like, stay late for the cheerleading dance. Like, everything was just hard for me. Right, but that's just because you're a great singer. Like, that's where your mind works. Like, it's just such a wonderful thing that you found the thing that you're really good at.

Because some people, some people don't. They just don't know why they suck at school. They don't know why they can't pay attention. They don't know why they can't be at work on time. They don't know why. Like, what's wrong with me? And if maybe that person just found that thing and they're like, oh, my God, I'm supposed to be riding horses and shooting balloons.

Exactly. Here I am. I found me. Yeah, I think it's, I feel like we're the lucky ones when we get to, like, we know. Like, this is what I'm supposed to do. This is what I'm going to chase, no matter what it costs. And, you know, that doesn't, I see so many people that are so immensely talented that just didn't happen for and you don't and you don't know why like the why you said you don't know if

it was one little factor of a period in their life or just not seen at the right time or chasing the right thing at the right time and I don't know I feel I feel very thankful for that but I'm also like trying to learn new things at 40 because I spent my whole adult life doing that you know what I'm like what can we do next let's find another hobby but that's a great approach though yeah that's great i mean it's recognizing you want to have some more stuff in your life it's interesting i think that there's come i don't know does that come with like wisdom with age wisdom and and also feeling accomplished i mean i feel like i set my goals i hit them yeah you know and that feels like oh okay i can take a breath yeah that's got to be a part of it right that's got

to be a part of it there's got to be a part that you know you can relax a little like not that you know you will, you know, when it comes to, like, writing and singing and stuff. But at least you don't have to worry, like, am I going to make it? Like, hey, you kind of made it. Yeah. Okay. Let's just have some fun. Yeah.

And what's the point in the whole idea of making it is, like, your life will be better. And you'll have, well, your life will be better if you have more fun. Yeah. Like, find some stuff you like to do. Exactly. You seem like somebody that chases a lot of new things and conquers them, which I think is really inspiring. Well, I chase things that you can never conquer.

That's the key. And no one told me that until I started playing golf, and now it's too late. Yeah. You can't ever win. For me, it started with martial arts. You never conquer that. There's always going to be somebody better than you, especially if you're not a professional. But you get really, really good at the things that you're pursuing.

So you spend time on them. I think something wrong with me. For sure, if I was born in a different time, I was born in the 60s. They didn't really diagnose kids with ADHD when I was a kid and dope them up. A hundred percent. We 100 percent have it. 100 percent. I got it.

Whatever that fucking is, it's a superpower. It's a superpower if you use it right. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, just the idea that you have to medicate a kid because you can't sit in school. Like, find out if that kid's good at other stuff. Right. Find out if there's a thing that. Yeah.

Okay, maybe they can't sit there where someone's teaching them math. Maybe they get bored real quick. Maybe they start talking to her friends. Whatever it is, they probably have a thing they're really good at. If they could find that thing, I bet they're focused like a motherfucker when they're playing. in video games, right? Yeah. So what's that all about?

You know, find the thing that that kid can lock into. 100% of me. The thing is, like, you make people do things that are completely unnatural. You make people sit down when they're six in a chair why some lady who's making $35,000 a year doesn't like kids is teach them some shit that she doesn't care about. So there's no energy in the room. Everything. And then when they're out in the yard with their friends, they're having fun, and they're laughing.

And so they're talking about this is bullshit. This class sucks. And they're talking to each other. And then they get in trouble for talking. Like, ugh. Your child's a problem. Is the child really the problem? Seems like the child has a lot of energy.

That's not a problem. Yeah. You're not providing an inspiring environment for a growing mind. Just turning you into a dull drone, some worker that just is capable of like shutting themselves off all day. And then showing up and then just doing some stuff. that they don't want to do because they were taught how to do it when they were kids like I feel like there's a lot more opportunities now than there was like even when I was in school it's kind of just like Lendell ISD like everybody does learns the same everybody goes to the same class

you know what I mean and I just my mom says I learned differently she tries to say it not you learn differently but looking back it's to say like you just describe my entire like existence as a student well it's not just yours It's mine, and I think it's most people's. You know, the only class that I really enjoyed was, well, science. I always enjoyed science, and I enjoyed art. I always enjoyed that. But even my art, I had a shitty art teacher in high school.

It was like a failed artist who was, like, really negative. And he kind of, he kind of ruined art for me. Yeah, like, not really, but ruined the idea of me doing it as a profession. I was like, God, I have to be around people like this. Like, this guy's gross. He was just, like, so negative. Rat, bitter. Just sad.

Just a sad old dude. I always remember, like he ate a basketball. Like, his whole body was skinny, but his belly was, and now I know. Like, I probably drank himself to sleep every night. Well, he was. You was sad. He was an artist trapped in his own life, too. Like, I mean.

Also, it wasn't that good of an artist. That's part of the problem. Part of the problem was like. He needed a backup plan. Well, I just don't think he was, he had a lot of fire in him. When it came to anything, and I think the art that he created was a representation of who he is as a human. And he saw these young kids that were talented. I was pretty talented.

I was like the third best kid. There's a kid named Kevin that was like a little better than me. And then a kid named John, who was the best guy in our class. And John told me, like a year or two ago, we're emailing each other back and forth. And John told me that that guy gave him an F. And I was like, okay, so it wasn't just me. That guy's a piece of shit, because John was the best artist. like I'd ever seen when I was a teenager.

And we were all like, fuck, this guy's like the art world. We're out. So none of us became artists. That's sad. Oh, that was what this guy wanted. What this guy wanted was to kill dreams. I feel like it's so, especially in that, like, how old were you? When I quit the classes, I stopped my senior year and high.

But by then I was also traveling and fighting. By then I was, that was like when I heavily got into martial arts. So by the time I was 17, like my whole senior year, I was traveling around the country. That's crazy. That's why I started making money playing music at 17. You're senior year of high school? Yeah. Wow.

So that must have alienated you from a lot of your friends. Yeah. And I mean, I was also very big into church choir and stuff. And so I'm like at the honky talk till four in the morning because I was the house band. And then I'm like dragging a leg into church, smelling terrible. Like, no wonder y'all kick me out of you. group, you assholes. I probably deserved it.

That's hilarious. Like, what did you do last night? Like, my mom had to, like, go with me for the first, like, first, like, three months in my house gig because I couldn't get into I was 18, and I was playing in the house band. So she'd be like, oh, good, you can drive, and I can drink beer and listen to y'all play. Oh, that's hilarious. But, yeah. But it's funny what you're talking about, teachers.

Like, I feel like there's some that just really, there's that turning point where you meet that one teacher or someone that in your. childhood or high school years that turns things around for you. I got like, when you're talking about our teacher, I just teach her name is Caldwell and she taught speech and I was a terrified, literal, the shyest kid ever. My parents are both very vibrant and huge personalities and like I couldn't get a word in Edgewise so I just didn't talk until I was like 16 because they just wouldn't shut up. They're just constantly, Dad's telling old cop stories about his Vash days and my mom's a P.

So she's telling all her cool stories. And so I just was really shy. And my little brother was same. He's five years younger. And like we just weren't very like a vocal. And I somehow got forgot. I didn't pay attention and didn't put down my classes, you know, like my junior year of high school. And I had got shoved in a class where there was one spot and it was speech honors and it was a debate class.

And like that is not my vibe. Whoa. I was panicking. My mom came up to the school. I was sobbing. I was like, I can't do this. I don't even speak hardly, but I was singing, like, here and there. I was singing in church.

Like, I could do it if I was singing, but, like, still shyly singing. You know what I mean? Like, kind of in the background. And my mom was like, we got to figure this out. The school was like, well, there's not really any room for her any other classes and whatever. And it was an honors class. Like, this girl was, like, barely passing every class except choir. They just allowed you to enter into that class?

They just somehow. And so then I think. looking back like Ms. Caldwell and the principal met with my mom and um she's looked at miss Caldwell and she was like can she do this and she was like she needs to do this and so and i had to debate like against these seniors and real smart kids right and but it really brought me out of my shell and so i'm thankful she wasn't like your art teacher i'm thankful that miss Caldwell was like no i see potential in this girl and if she's going to because i sang at the talent show or whatever she's like if she's gonna be a singer she's gonna have to learn to me in front of people

right and to like show her personality and come out of her shell and it really like changed my world because then I started playing in bars and I started to like come into my personality a little bit because you can't do this if you don't have if you aren't confident and have confidence in who you are you know right and the ability to be who you are in between songs that that is a really important part yeah Oh, then that's where people get to see you. Yeah, so I'm thankful for her. Thanks, Ms. Caldwell, love you.

Damn, Ms. Caldwell killed it. She killed it. Yeah, that's beautiful to have a teacher like that. And anyone can speak. The anxiety about, like, oh, I could never public speak. Like, yes, you could. You just, it's not impossible. Can you talk to me?

Okay. Then you could talk to a bunch of people. You can do it. You might have to do it a bunch of times before you figure it out, but it's not like breathing underwater. You could totally do it. It's so scary to me. I mean, honestly, like, you're so good at it.

Also, comedians, like, that to me is the scariest of all the showbiz that you could pick is that. Yeah. It's one of them. It's, it's, it's, that's kind of what I like about it, though. I like scary stuff because you'll have less people doing it. So you'll be like a big thing. That's why I got into fighting. That's why I got into comedy.

It's like, it's a, it's like, let's say if you want to be a lawyer. You know what people are trying to be a lawyer? Right. Oh, my God. You got to go to law school. You've got to get a degree. You've got to pass the bar. You've got to get hired by some sort of a law firm and you've got to try cases and what are you doing?

Like a lot of people trying to be lawyers because there's a clear pathway. But if the pathway is like foggy, like how do you be a professional fighter? Like, oh, I'll go that pathway. Like no one's doing that. Right. The people that are doing that are all crazy. Like those are my kind of people. Or if the pathway is how to be a comedian, like, oh, yeah, all these people are all

misfits this is perfect these are my people like this is perfect i'll go do that like this is like i'm in short of being around like-minded interesting people yeah that's a great way to look at it but i just think i always think about how like the first time you step on the stage and you're you know you're showing all your cards like you remember your first time well but for a comedian to me it's like songs songs are different like yeah you know every the first game you play the whatever everybody has their first time that they're like like, learning their ropes and how to get their feet under them. But that's just so raw.

Like, here's my jokes. Here's my whole heart. Yeah. Here's, I hope you think this is funny. Like, I just, every time I see it, I'm like, that is the hardest thing in show business, period. The first time I ever did it, I was still fighting, and I'd done nothing but martial arts competition, like literally eight hours a day for my whole life for six years. And then I was more scared going on stage at an open mind. Mike Knight than I'd ever been fighting, ever.

That makes sense to me. But I was confused. I was like, why am I scared? Like, this doesn't even make sense. It was so baffling to me. I was like, why am I so nervous? That makes sense to me. It's something you, well, you knew you were good at it, but you had to do it in front of people.

I didn't even think I was good at it. My friends told me I was good at it. And they only told me I was good. It was like, we would go to tournaments and everybody would be terrified. We'd all be, like, really nervous. And I would be the humor. It was Gallo's humor. So I would be the guy cracking jokes.

I'd be the guy doing impressions of each other, like of different friends, like what they'd be like having sex or whatever it was and making everybody laugh, saying totally inappropriate stuff. And my friend Steve, who I'm still friends with to these days, he was a grown man and I was like 15 at the time. And to this day, he's still one of my best friends. But he told me, he's like, you should be a comedian. Like, you're funny. It's like, and I was like, you think I'm funny because you like me. I go, but other people get to think I'm an asshole. Like, my sense of humor is fucked up.

And he's like, you should just go to Open Mic Night. And I did. And I went to an Open Mic Night and I was like, oh, everybody sucks. Oh, this is fine. I was like, you go to see a few professionals and a few people that are just struggling. I thought everybody would be like Jerry Seinfeld or Richard Pryor. I'm going to get killed up there. This is going to be terrible.

And then I realized like, oh, this is just like martial arts or anything else. You start off terrible. And then you try. And then you get better. And then you figure it out. and then, you know, it's like, but I just wasn't, I was just stunned by how scared I was more than anything. Yeah. Do you remember the first time you ever got on stage, like at a honky talk or?

Yeah, it was a. How old were you? 16. It was a true value country showdown, the Rio Paul Mile in Longview, Texas. Wow. Yeah, and I was scared to death because I was like, The Shot Kid, too. My dad's a songwriter, too. You're going to love this.

He's a cop and a songwriter? My dad is a songwriter. He plays guitar And he had a band His cop band On their side gig Was all NARCs And they were called

Contraband They were a country band called Contraband Can you even? That's a great name It's the best That's a great one That's funny Yeah but he wrote songs

So I was like I'm gonna enter this contest My mom was like shocked I was like working in the yard She's like go pick the weeds I'm like mom There's an ad on the radio for a contest Called the True Value Country Showdown

And I want to enter it She was like, what? You don't even talk, you don't, you're too shy. Like, are you kidding me? And I was like, no, I want to do it. And she was like, what are you going to sing? You had to sing an original song. And I sang one of my dads.

Oh, wow. What was the song? It was called, gosh, now I can't think of it. Too many song titles in my head. Way too many. That's like Dunbar's number. Here I go again. That's what the title is.

And so like, because I grew up on like, forever I thought my dad wrote like, Mama Dried because I grew up with him, just playing John Pride and Haggard and David Allen Coe and got Clark, you know, so I started to realize, oh, some of these are like my dad's originals, and some of those are real Haggards. They're not just dads. But, like, I got up there and I got, I didn't win, but I, it was like my first, okay, like you were just saying, it was my first, like, okay, maybe I can, I can do this. Like, I'm green and I'm shy and I'm new and I'm young, but like I'm not terrible.

Like I'm, I'm kind of equal with these guys, you know what I mean? We're all babies. Yeah, it was. And it was. And it was, I don't know, I think that's the first time I was like, okay, I found something that doesn't feel foreign to me that's not so hard to learn. You know what I mean? Yeah. Do you believe in fate?

Yeah, I do. You probably should. Yeah. Right? Because it worked out. Yeah, exactly. That's my bias about fate. Like if anybody should believe in fate

It's people like you or I But I'm not sure My bias is that I believe in it Because it worked out Yeah You know but I mean if your life is shit And you're like Is this fate?

Like what did I do in a past life? Like what kind of an asshole was I That everything just turned out so terrible You know Well I mean I don't know I feel like I also met my husband In like a crazy way

And so I can't I can't help but believe in fate. There's something to it. Yeah, I believe in it. Yeah, there's something to it. As much as my mind, my rational mind wants to ignore the possibility, like the randomness of the universe, the size and scope of it all, do you really think it matters what you do? Do you really think about what it does to you, right?

It has a giant impact on your life, and everything matters. Just because there's black holes doesn't mean your fucking, your homework doesn't matter. You know, everything matters. Right. Your whole world. Everything matters. It's like you can't think that things don't matter, like that the universe wouldn't have a plan for your life. But it seems to have a plan for everything.

Yeah. I mean, all of it seems to be happening for some sort of a very bizarre reason, all of it together. So I'm sure that there's something to fade. But it's just my rational mind wants to go, that's just your ego. It's like silly. You could have been bored in Somalia. You know, life could have to suck for you. you know it's it's hard to

because fate's a weird one like you can't measure it can't put it on a scale but it seems to be real yeah well it's real for us so then it's real I guess also I'm like your ceiling is giving me I love it the little shooting stars

and you were like fate is real and it was like boom and I was like yeah it is if I don't tell people I didn't tell you but sometimes people I love it Like, am I having a flashbacks? Like, what's going on? It's awesome.

That's what I love about West Texas. Something about, like, it's just so vast in the middle of nowhere. Like, the stars are, they feel like they're, we call it the Thunderdome when we're, we like lay in the yard and it just feels like they're, you could reach up and grab them. Mm-hmm. Because it's so dark out there. Yeah. It's magical.

Well, they're on top of you and you don't have any light pollution. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing that ruins the world. Yeah. That's the problem with New York City. That's why everybody's so, dude.

They're like so, like, stuck in their. own world just because they don't realize they're in space you know you don't get that break yeah there's a break that you get from space that I don't think you get from anything else where you just like look up and go oh yeah okay I'm taking all this shit way too seriously yeah this is nuts like just above us it totally is and I also when you said that it made me think of what we were talking about earlier about wisdom and like I don't know just kind of reaching some goals and taking a breath and calming down and going, okay, everything's okay. It's like, I just feel like, I saw shooting starting, lost my train of thought.

I have ADHD. I'm like, I lost my whole trip. Maybe I have to shut the balls. Will, we were talking about space and inspiration. I don't know. And fate. Peeo, phew, squirrel. What are you zinning over there?

What are those? Oh, these are. Lucy's they're breakers you do you ever take these oh they are bad I like Zins you like to here try these these these are strong though they're oh like what sixes nine oh I'll pass out yeah don't do it I'm not doing it I'm not doing it this is strong this one's not yeah these are nines oh you got some fours oh you got some fours oh chuck me a four sign what are what's the Lucy's um why are they different They have, like, a little thing inside of them that you're called breakers.

So it's, like, coffee flavor you put in your mouth. Just like it in? Uh-huh. Yeah. And you crack that little sucker open. It gives you a little blast of flavor. Yeah. A little sugar.

That almost like a little piece of cupcake. A little piece of candy in there for you. Those are fours, right? So it's not bad. That's a nice. Four's nice. If I get up, burn out of here. I already couldn't concentrate because of the shooting.

I saw a dude online. He got a 50 milligram one. from overseas. What? Yeah. And he tried it and, you know, he was violently ill lying on the ground. Like, I made a terrible mistake. Well, I think he did it for props, you know, like, so he could get some online cred just for the views.

Did it for the gram? I mean, I guess people, I watched it. I wanted to see. I'm like, you're going to take a 50? Oh, you're fucked, dude. And he said, oh, my God, it's like drinking battery acid. And then he was lying on the ground at the end of it. It's like, I really fucked up.

I made a giant mistake. because it's so much nicotine 50 milligrams is crazy but you're so into health and just take such good care of yourself and I what is the bit what like why are

I just tell people they're good for you have a little what do you think like tell me your opinion of these this whole crazy nicotine is not bad for you the delivery method is what's bad for you and the delivery

method with cigarettes in particular with cigarettes that have a bunch of chemicals added to them that's even Like the regular cigarettes, like natural cigarettes, I bet, are probably not as bad for you. Dr. Suzanne Humphreys, she's a physician who was on here, was explaining to us, like, why regular cigarettes are not as bad. But it's still not good for you. You're smoking in your lungs. But nicotine itself is not bad.

Nicotine itself is neuroprotectant. Nicotine itself actually is a neutropic, so which means it's cognitively enhancing. So, neutropics are like vitamins that help brain function, and there's a bunch of them, like, do I have some here? We have some stuff called Alpha Brain. That's great. I've seen that. There's a bunch of companies that make different versions of a neutropic, but there are nutrients

that enhance memory and enhance your verbal memory, so your ability to recall words. They can enhance peak alpha flow state. Like, they've done, like, real, they've done two double-blind placebo control. studies at the Boston Center for Memory with Alpha Brain. It shows more effectiveness than any of the drugs that they had studied over the past like nine months before they did this. So like this is

pretty impressive. So nicotine does that too. Nicotine enhances your memory. Enhances brain function, enhances, it stimulates you. So there's a lot of benefits to nicotine as a, but the problem is like how do you take it? How are you taking your nicotine? You know, probably

one of the best ways is maybe gum You know, and these things People are wearing patches now And stuff Oh fucking crazy people That's Ron White He wears a goddamn patch What are you doing Ron?

I got a patch on and I'm smoking He's got a cigar He's got a zin Fucking animal But He's such an animal But I think There's real benefit

I know a guy who puts a nicotine patch on For productivity when he writes Well that makes to me. Like, I feel like, because all the songwriters are, you know, right now, it's everybody in Nashville's sending. And I'm like, oh, I'll try one. And it, like, really does give you a little. Stimulant. Yeah, and also have a lot of words in my head. I need to remember words, and I also need to write new words. So anything to help with that.

Anything you want, if you want to help with memory, Alpha Brain is a really good one. I want to try that because I just think, like, um, at some point two, when you're tired, you know, It just feels like you can't, I mean, you just saw me lose my train of thought. It's like, I don't want to be on, like, a bunch of adderil and stuff. No. I want to be on, I want to find a different method to, like, have my brain functioning as the best it can. These are addictive, though. And I got to say, different people have different levels of, like, how addicted they get with these.

Like, some people can't not have them. I went on vacation. I said, I'm going on vacation and not bring any and see what happens, see if I freak out. Just to see. And nothing. Zero. Nothing. I was like, I kind of missed them, maybe, for a day or two, like, wanted one, didn't have any.

And then after, like, three days, I was like, oh, this is fine. Yeah. It's not, it's not like a physical, like, oh, my God, I'm Jones. It's not like smoking. I'm a shaking. Yeah. Yeah. But I know people that have tried to get off of them that really struggle.

I mean, it is addictive. I mean, it's nicotine. I think the vapes are the hardest to get off of. The vapes, like, that's, I don't want heat on my voice either. Right. Well, vapes aren't really hot, but it is. If you buy them ones that are like in the gas station, like who knows where those are being made. But like the ones that heat up.

Oh, yeah, the crazy ones. I don't like that. Adam Curry, do you know what Adam Curry is? He's the first podcaster. He used to be the MTV Vijay. Yes. The guy with beautiful air. Yes.

Good friend of mine. He carries around one of those robot lunchbox vapes, those big old crazy ones where you're blowing. And it makes like noise. That's like kind of like a power bar on the side of it. It's so ridiculous. And then he blows this giant, but it's all like, he fills it with natural oil so it's, air quotes, healthy. Air quotes. Yeah.

That's what people say, they smoke American spirits. Yeah, it's healthy. Come on there, there's an Indian on there. Yeah, exactly. How come they get away with that? Are American spirits owned by Native Americans? No? So how the fuck do they have a Native American on there and not catch any slack?

They do, right? Don't they have an... It's a badass. I've gotten trouble in the past for stuff. Did they? Yeah, I'm not getting into it. Oh. I'm getting the tobacco company problems.

He's like, uh, and pivot. Did you ever see that movie The Insider with Russell Crow? I don't think so. It's about a guy who works for a tobacco company that is explaining, he was a chemist and he was explaining how they added all these different things to make it more addictive and they're trying to kill him in the film because they don't want that information getting out. He's the insider. It's kind of crazy movie.

based on a true story. Wow. Yeah. They put a bunch of shit in cigarettes to try to get you hooked. Well, then they do it. I mean, it works. People, that's the hardest one. I feel like it's the most you hear people talking about trying to quit that and drinking to me.

Like, you know what I mean? Just on the daily, like, I'm in a band. So everybody's like, oh, I quit. Now they're all like, you got a Zen? You got a Zen? Because it's just highly addictive, I guess. It is, but it's, people want something. They just want something to take.

Take them out of whatever state they're in. Give me something. Give me a drink. Give me this. Give me a coffee. Like, everybody I know that's an alcoholic's anonymous, they all smoke or drink tons of coffee. It's either or both. Yes.

Because they just want to do something. Something's not going to make me suck dick for bus fare, but I'm at least get a little bit of something different than regular life. I don't want to be homeless. I don't want to be cracked out. But give me something. Just give me a little something to take me away from wherever I am right now. Yeah. Yeah, not that far away, just a little bit away.

It's that little next door. Let me go next door and hide. I'm going to start saying that way. I'm like, can I have it's in. I need to go next door. Yeah, I'm going to go next door. Just a little bit. I don't want to go too far away.

I can hear everybody. Am I supposed to like break this little candy thing? I do. Yeah, I break it right away. It's crack down that little sucker. What's in there? Probably candy. Ooh.

Nice, right? That's like a little burst of happiness. A little birth of flavor. Oh, next door. I like those. I like those My buddy Duncan found out That his blood sugar goes up

When he vapes Because he was buying those gas station vapes And you know He got type 2 diabetes Because he was eating too much sugar He's okay Don't worry But he realized

Because he monitors his blood glucose That like when he was vaping His blood was going through the roof I go Okay why do you think that is Like why do you think it's strawberry flavored What the fuck do you think is in there bro You're eating candy all day

Like you're vaping on sugar. Sugar oils? Yeah. Yeah. It has to be. Yeah. It has to be. I mean, if it's like grape flavored or whatever the hell it is.

It's like there's some. Also, who knows what kind of oil they're putting in those damn things. It stinks. It's probably made in China or somewhere. I watched a video on TikTok of these dudes testing them. Some dude is just sucking on each one of them to make sure they work at the factory. What's going to happen to him? I don't know.

What's going to happen to him? to you because you're sucking on the same one that he was sucking on nobody cleans those things off you just get him at the gas station stick it right your mouth that's like a karaoke mic yes that's nasty so nasty okay i'm spinning this out oh the pause pause oh you get rid of it oh i gave me it's like a buzz yeah like a little bit yeah a little next you went next door yeah i like that excuse me i'm going next door yeah um so anyway nicotine vapes not i don't think they're good for you. Folks, sorry. Because people thought they were healthier

for you than cigarettes, but it turns out like, no. Not only they're not, here's this state. Look, he's testing all of them. All those cute little pink ones, you've got to make sure they all work. By the way, how hooked is that guy? That guy must be fucking hooked. Where is this taking place?

Does it say in the... That guy has to test all of them. I would like to see what that guy's... Look, that guy looks like he's 15 years old. Did you see the bottom? No. It's a 7,000 to 8,000 tests per day. That's terrible.

Bro, test his lungs. Because there's a thing called popcorn lung that kids are getting. The thing about these things is that they're very, very addictive. They're more addictive than I think any other delivery method. And the thing about nicotine vapes is the first vape of the day is the only one you really want. The first vape of the day, I would take a vape. by like, this is wonderful. Like, this feeling is wonderful.

It's wonderful. And then you chase that dragon and you never get it back until the next day. The rest of the day, you're sucking on this thing, go, nope, nothing. I'm not getting it. I'm not getting that wonderful feeling. Yeah.

You have to have no nicotine in your system. And then you have that one hint. It's like, welcome me into your life. Do you get like, did these people get like that feeling from those patches? I don't think so. I think the patches just make you turn. Oh, like a little Adderallie? Yeah, it's like, I'm sure people have Adderall patches, don't they?

Do they have an Adderall patch? No? Adderall's a sketchy one. I had someone here the other day was telling me they were doing Adderall right before. I did an Adderall just so I'm ready. It's like, it's a writing. It's very helpful for writing. Oh, I'm sure.

It's like you don't want to have, I don't want to need it. So that's why I was like, what brain thing's going to take? Yeah. What are Lucy's it say, Jamie? Oh, amphetamine patch. There it is. Oh, sure are. ADHD treatment that lets you control your time, your way.

They always say that. Like, look, this is a woman who's in control. Look at her with her jean jacket on her arms crossed. I'm in control. She's got a controlled posture. Look at her posture. I'm on a meth patch. I'm in control.

A meth patch, please, Lord, no. You are literally on a drug that will kill your superpower. You got a superpower and you're killing it with a drug so you could focus on. I definitely don't want a patch of that. Yeah. No thanks. No thanks.

I don't need it. Hard pass. Maybe somebody needs it. I don't want to judge. But the reality is that stuff, the amphetamines in any shape or form are highly addictive. Yeah. And they're passing them out like candy. Yeah.

My daughter's in high school and a bunch of kids in high school have, air quotes, ADHD. And because of ADHD, they get Adderall. And then also they get more time on tests. because they got ADHD, they can't focus. So they're fucking on speed. Strikes of the trade. Yeah. Because it's very competitive.

Parents want to get their kids into colleges. They're, you know, getting their kids diagnosed so they can get their kid hooked on whatever they're probably already hooked on too because a lot of people that are adults are hooked on it. And you can tell those folks because they come to the parent teacher meetings and they can't shut the fuck up. And they just want to talk to you about everything. Oh, my God.

Raise their head. They want to corner me and ask me about some episode I did. Oh, my God. I love that episode that you did with the guy about. climate your eyes they're so cracked out they're so obviously cracked out and there's a lot of people out there just running around cracked out but they feel like they got it from the doctor the doctor gave me I'll tell you that 30 milligrams and I'm just a better person I think it's better about all tasks I'm actually I like talk to that person daily like I feel like those people are

everywhere they're everywhere yeah well we looked it up use perplexity which is one of our sponsors and find out how many prescriptions for Adderall, they wrote in, let's say, 2024. Let's take a guess. How many do you think? I mean, I could not even ballpark that. I want to say 40 million. I bet it's 40 million prescriptions, at least.

It's probably a lot more. But I'm going conservative. And I'm saying 40 million prescriptions for Adderall in 2024. What do you want? You want a guess? Yeah. Take a guess. 40, I have your same.

51. 51. You're probably closer. I bet it's like 90. I bet it's nuts. I bet it is because it's like individual people, refill in prescriptions. You know, I don't think it's like 90 million patients, but it's a lot. I bet it's all journalists.

I bet like most people that are writing things. Yes. Yeah. I bet that in, what is it? Okay. How many out of all prescriptions were written in 2024? According to Poplexy, 45 million adoral prescriptions written in the United States. Well, we were both in the middle.

Yeah. What did you go, 51? Yeah. I said 40. Commonly prescribed stimulants for conditions such as ADHD and narcolepsy, this number follows several years of notable growth. Huh, weird, or more people need it? It's up since 2019.

Look at that. Yeah, notable growth. Data suggests the prescription rates began to decline slightly after a sharp surge during the COVID-19 pandemic and shortages affected. I'll stop. 2019, it was only 35. interesting so it's up 10 million who that's crazy 41.4 million in 2021 and 45 million by 23 I bet there's a lot of people getting it illegally too like what's that number okay let's

that's because there was that shortage and right they've recovered from it mm-hmm well also once the shortage started people got dealers sure but people are using mushrooms and stuff for that now too that's a very different thing I've heard I've heard I've heard a lot about that. Yeah, microdosing mushrooms. That's a very different thing than Adderall. Yeah. That's like the opposite of Adderall.

Yeah. Even if it's for focus, right? Well, I'm sure it'll help your focus. On something. Yeah, but you got to be, you got to mind your peas and cues when it comes to your dosages. Also, like, where are you getting that from? That's so scary for me. Like, I'm like, where is it from?

Like, did you just go to the cow pasture? Because that's, like, what teenagers do when I heard they were doing mushrooms, like, they're like cow tipping and going. I mean, I'm from East Texas. Yeah. Well, they definitely found them growing on poop. I mean, that's how all humans originally probably discovered psilocybin. They found them on cow poop. But the thing about that, though, is, like, you've got to get them from somebody who knows what they're doing. Because they're all different, and you can get some that are crazy strong. Like, there's some out there that will knock you into another universe. So what do you do? Are you just eating a cap? Are you paying a

Are you getting them in pill form? Who are you getting them from? Like, I have a friend who gets them from a friend. And I was like, who are you, who's the guy? Who's the guy that you're not seeing these things get packaged? Just get the fuck out of here. It's a little, little shady. Super sketch, super sketch.

And they're, they all, it's like marijuana edibles before the, the legality in California. When it was medical, they'd be, it was crazy. Because now they, they, because of the regulations in California, I think. think the most they could make them is 10 milligrams, which is normal. It's a normal dose. But before that, when it was medical, like it became medical in the 90s, they would make 500 milligram chiba chews. These things that, like, they're 500 milligrams, which is insane. It puts you in another dimension. I don't even heard of that. They're so strong. And my friend Joey, who's a real demon, Joey used to take the rapper off of 25 milligram ones and give people a 500 milligram one instead.

Oh, he's a real demon. And he would just laugh because he can tolerate insane doses. So he would give people like preposterous amounts. I have a songwriter friend and I love her dearly. But whatever she says, do this, I'm like, do a quarter of that. Whatever that is to the public, do yourself a service. Do a quarter of that Some people have ridiculous tolerances

For marijuana Yeah, I mean it's crazy Yeah For anything I'm just over here Taking a Lucy From a random dude It's only four milligrams

It's minor It wasn't that bad right I would never Like the nine I would have told you Like spit that out real quick It's a lot I have 12s What do you use those for

A real busy days? I don't like them They jolt me too much But I have them This is just because Lucy sent them to me. But I think the right dose is three or four. That's the right.

It's just a little, pick me up, just a little. Not the cracked out. Not the cracked out soccer mom. Yeah, not the cracked out. I've never tried Adderall. I'm scared of it. I want to try it one day because I'm scared of it. Because I'm like, I need to know what everybody's fussing about.

Because everybody I know that's tried is like, don't try it. You'll love it. You'll love it. You'll fucking love it. It is focus. I mean, it is. It really hones. Hones in.

I have a buddy of mine and his wife told him to stop because he was snorting it. because he was writing that's insane he's like that's the best way to get it real quick and he was like to his wife he's like why do you care how I do it she's like you're snorting drugs why the kids are asleep he's like okay yeah it's a little far dude

slow your roll he's not an addict though he just he just felt like he's not an addict though he's not an addict he felt like you had to snort to really get the most out of it quickly like you said everybody's trying to find something like because I think if you take it as a pill it probably takes like a hour

before it kicks in and he didn't have an hour So he's like I have a deadline Yeah Does your friend that disappears Does he like have He doesn't have phone No digital

No nothing I wonder if that digital detox is like One of the hardest ones I feel like It's got to be the hardest Yeah I've done social media detoxes For multiple days And you genuinely feel better

And then you go Why am I doing this to myself Or I don't do this I know All the time Something that's annoying If I can just say it Is that like

when people do take a break from social media that's like all they tell you about the whole time well I'm on a break from social media I'm like

can you be on a break without telling anybody that you're on a break from social media right they have to tell you how virtuous they are I am actually

going to break social media unlike you I'm like cool bro you you you're a little addict scrolling through cat videos doom scrolling

yeah there's a lot of doom scrolling yeah it's like people who do yoga they can't shut the fuck up about it yeah

it's like a lot of It's like a special, like a special, like a special, like a special, like a special, like a special, like a special, like a couple. Oh, you're hearing about it. You're hearing about it. You're going to hear about it. They're the absolute worst. Like, no one has ever met a vegan that didn't tell them they're vegan. It doesn't happen. They always tell you. Never. Not like them. They're working into a conversation. Eventually, they'll let you know how virtuous they are. It's like just, you can, you can not eat meat and not tell anyone. Yeah. Just shh. Do it as a spiritual growth. Like, just like it's like an exercise. It's your little secret with yourself. Yeah, you're a little secret with yourself is you're not on social media. So don't, tell me. My favorite is people who are on social media making fun of people that are on social media. Because there's a lot of like really not self-aware people.

They're like mocking people that spend all their time on social media while they're making videos on social media. Like, that's rich. It overwhelms me, honestly. I'm trying to, you can't keep up with it. So I just try, I don't try to keep up with it. Like, I was just talking on the way here. I was like, maybe I need to get on TikTok. Like, there's a lot of music on TikTok.

Like, there's a lot of musicians. And, like, we have a label now called Big Loud, Texas, our offices in Austin. And I'm like, I know there's amazing talent on there. And one of our flagship artists, Dylan Gossett, posted something awesome on there. And now he's out there crushing it. So I feel like I'm missing out. But then I'm like, do I need one more thing? Like, I don't know.

It's like this. Do you have an assistant? Battle. Yeah. And I have a great management team too. This is great. Get your assistant on TikTok and then tell them to let you know if anything's cool and show it to you. She did that and we signed a guy.

The name's Al Flayford. You got it. That's what happened. Perfect. That way you don't have to be on it. Right. So you could avoid it and she'll be a net that catches all the good fish. Cameron, it's all you, girl.

Yeah. It's all you girl. So she'll catch the good fish. You don't have to go by the river. Just stay off that TikTok river. I needed that talk today because we just had that talk on the plane on the way here today. Because it's a raging river. stuff yeah you should be scared i'm like i'm already like oh everything's just a lot of information all the time

i know for me it's like a a show of force when i leave my phone on the nightstand when i go to the bathroom it's like i'm gonna take a shit without my phone do you tell everybody nope see just told you see good see you're not one of those you're on a social media break no my wife has like a app on her phone that shows like how long she's been without social media like if you want to go on social media you have to go into the app enter a password and open everything up i think that's so smart oh yeah and she she showed me the other day was like 90 hours i was like that must feel so good she's like you feel different you feel different it's not good for you bad for everybody no but we need it but we for some things yeah i get it it's great for artists it's great to promote your work it's

great for comedians to put clips up it's great for musicians to put songs out there it's great it is great in a lot of ways i'm so happy it exists Oh, me too. I was stapling my posters to a phone pole when I started. Like, I did it old school. Like, boots on the ground, walking up to the radio station, knocking on the door, saying, can I play a song? Like, and now... Really? Yes. Like, have you ever seen Loretta Lynn's life story?

Have you ever seen Cole Miner's daughter? Yes. That, like me and my mom with a baloney sandwich and my mom's Ford Expedition, like, driving around all over Texas, me going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm jealous of the way that people can do it now. Yeah, but I think you probably develop so much character doing it the way you did it. Yeah, I'm thankful for that. But I'm also like, well, damn. These kids, they just post something and like 100 million people see it in the night. Like, what's happening?

Well, the problem with that is, like, sometimes people get famed. They're not really ready for yet. And I think... 100%. Doing what you did and going to bars and then eventually becoming famous after years and years of performing and promoting yourself and getting your chops on stage and really settling into yourself, that is so much better than being like a 20-year-old kid, like sits around and comes up with a song. Like, look at Oliver Anthony, all right?

Oliver Anthony is a good friend of mine, was he was selling fucking farm equipment. He makes that rich man north of Richmond song. And all of a sudden he's a giant superstar. And he's like, dude, I had a phone call with him while it was going down. down, you know. Was he just like help? Like, I mean, that's crazy. Yeah, he's like, people are offering me money. I go, don't take any money from anybody. Do not sign with anybody. I go, you don't need anybody. You already did it, right? You've got talent and you're already famous, right? You just made a giant hit song. Don't give away any of you. Yes. Don't

sell it. You know, he's like, well, they're telling me I got a strike while they are and saw. I'm like, fuck those people. They don't know what they're talking about. You could do this again. You can do this again and again and now that you already did it, it's going to be way easier the second time because everybody's going to be waiting to see what you say next yeah i know and that's like also nobody you can't learn it's like you you do the journey in reverse well he did the first show he ever did was a giant sold out the first time he ever performed live giant sold out show when he was already famous it's so mind-bobbling i can't even like put it in words because i'm thinking like how you could get your chops and how you you did it fight by fight you did it stage by stage

when during comedy like it just happened so fast and it's like and then you still have to pay the dues but it's just backwards it's like the thing is though he paid the dues as a regular blue collar human being working and that's where he developed his character so that when it all came he's like oh my god I just stepped into a magic story right like he had a regular story right And then all of a sudden the genie came along and abracadabra, the internet. And the internet just put that song out there. And there was like, holy shit, this song's great. And all of a sudden, he's hugely famous.

But he had character from being a real person. 17. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, it scares me. I'm just like, we still got to go do the work now. We still got to start developing who you are now, even though the world already knows who they think you are, you know. It's almost impossible if you'd start too young.

like we were talking about that with michael jackson the other day that like no one can teach you how to do that and no one survives that everybody who's famous when they're a little kid they're all fucked up no one no one gets it does it comes with a really high cost you can see it yeah i always make the analogy that's like you're making cement but you don't put the right ingredients in and you can't go back and remix it right like if you don't put enough water in or you don't put enough sand in that cement sucks it's always going to be fucked up and that's what it's like when you're a kid and you get famous like you didn't allow that person to mix correctly right I think that like that's why I'm glad I you know I didn't go to college but I got to have that the learning times

of just being 17 18 19 20 like just learning life like while playing music but it was just kind of in some dive bar somewhere it wasn't in front of people you know what I mean and I And you get to build your character. You get to figure out who you are. And that's why I think the down by the river and the TikTok river, that's why it's I learned two things. I'm going to refer to it as down by the river and I need to go next door. The TikTok River.

Yeah. It's a raging river, too. That's a scary-ass river. That river never stops. I know. It never stops. Which we're thankful for it, too, by the way. Like, I found some great talent and learned some really cool recipes and get to talk about rescue

dogs, you know? So there's the good things about it. There's great things. It's basically a new element of human civilization that we have to contend with, that we've never figured out how to – there's no real precedent on how to navigate this, especially as a child. No children never grew up with it before. These are the first children that are growing up with it. And no one can tell them how to do it right. We can just observe what's going wrong with it.

Yeah. It's real sketching. Yeah. It's real weird. And people say to me, like, do you let your kids on social media? I'm like, yes. Because they have to be able to handle it. And they have to know what it is.

But also don't do it. One of my daughters, my youngest, also has that same app on her phone. She never goes on social media anymore. How old is she? She's 15. So she stays off of it and she'll watch YouTube. She'll watch YouTube videos or stuff like that. But like social media, she's like, it just doesn't, I don't like it.

It's not good for it. And it gets in the way of school work and it gets in the way of stuff she's doing. So she stays off it. But she's just wise. If I was 15, I'd be fucked. I would have been so dumb. Oh, no. I don't believe that for a second.

Tick-talking all day. I'd have been making all kinds of stupid videos, try to get attention. That's also part of the problem is that kids are doing things just to try to get attention rather than doing things because they really love an art form. They're trying to get better at. If you make a great song in your 17 years old and it goes viral, at least you're doing a, a thing, like you're doing an art thing. Yeah, 100%. You're not just trying to get attention.

And there's a lot of people out there that don't have a thing. They're just trying to get attention. If you ask young kids, like, what do you want to do when you grow older, when you grow up? A lot of them, like a giant percentage of them just want to be famous. I was about to say that. Like, I saw that, whatever that study was, and I read about it. And it was like, but famous for what? Like, you just want to be famous?

Mm-hmm. But what skill or what trade or what, like, what do you? Just famous. Why? Kim Kardashian. Why in the world? Like, that sounds awful. Well, because they see cameras going off and people are staring at you and that's a person, that's an important person.

You know, a lot of people just want to be an important person. They want to be a person with the nice stuff. Like, look at the nice house and look at the nice cars and look at the nice watch and the nice this. They just want to be an important person. And the society that they are growing up in shows them that all you have to do is be famous. Yeah. Like Kim Kardashian is one of the most famous people alive. She doesn't do anything.

It's not like a thing. Like what you can point to. Oh, she's like the best. She's the best painter. She's the best singer. Nope. Nothing. Zero.

Zero things. Super famous worth a billion dollars. And then kids are like, that's what I want to do. Especially if they're dumb. And unfortunately, a lot of people are dumb. and those people never thought they would ever be famous before, but now you can be dumb and famous. I mean, that's a statement.

Yeah, dumb. You can be dumb and famous and not be good at anything. Like, maybe you'd be dumb, but you're, like, the greatest baseball player of all time. That's great. And you're famous, and you're don't do anything. You're not good at a thing. There's a fulfillment in that, right? I know, right.

You can't be. There's not. Even if you're not great at the thing. a thing or if you try a bunch of stuff and you kind of suck at all of it but you are working on it or whatever. There's fulfillment in that. There's Yeah. There's like an accomplishment

like I paint folk chickens and I'm terrible at it. You what? A little, just folk art chickens. I don't even know why. I have no idea why and they're not good at all. You make paintings of chickens? I just paid them on little canvases. What's a folk chicken? Well I just call it folk art because it's bad.

And when I look up folk art, I'm like, oh, I can do that. Like some Folk art's amazing, but I look up like, folk art for beginners, and then I'll, like, get inspired. I'll like, oh, I could do that. I've never heard that genre before. Look it up. It's kind of, it's anything and everything.

Jamie, we please look up folk art? What is the definition of folk art? That kind of stuff. Oh, okay. Reflect the cultural life of a community associated with fields of folklore and cultural heritage. I don't, it's a 19th century concept. I don't know anything about it.

I just am drawn to it because I think it's cute and fun. Do you have any of your stuff online? No. It's like in my backpack. I'm not going to show anybody. It's like I painted one for my mom because she has to hang it up. Oh, that's interesting. I'm still like, Mom, she put it in her kitchen.

I didn't know that that was a show me some more of those images. I didn't know that that was a genre. I had no idea that was a thing. But I'm terrible at it and I don't know anything about it. And I would like to learn. I want to take some like, I look up like YouTube classes or whatever. So it's like, keep it on there? So it's like not realistic.

Folkart chicken. Okay, there's a Folkart chicken. Let's see. Look, they're so cute. Look, I'll get their. Okay. Like that one, like that little chunky one in the middle, the black and white one. How about the whimsical red hand above your cursor?

Yeah, see? That's, like, I'm only as good as, like, go back. That one, yeah, that's about. See, that one that says whimsical red hand right there above your cursor. Oh, she's cute. Above your cursor chain. Yeah. Yeah.

Click on that one. See, I could, like. Oh, but that one. But you like, and I'll go to, like, YouTube as of teaching me. All that to say. I'm trying. something. I think it's great you're doing different

things. Boy, some of these chickens are terrible. How about that one? Hey, it's art. You cannot speak ill of that. Chicken like that. That chicken, that's a drone. That's what I look like, for real. That's a drone. They're so bad. Put in my yard by China. My husband is probably dying out there that I even brought this up. He's like, are you talking about your stupid, full car chickens?

If I'm just being there, he's like cooking and I'm just like, I'm painting my chickens right now. Always chickens? I don't know why. I have no idea It's easy Fate You're designed to be the greatest Folk Art Chickens

That's my next song Folkart Fate Fault Art Fate Imagine if that's what it is Like there's something compelling you To tell the world about Chicken folk art

I guess so But do you have chickens Yeah I do have chickens I have chickens I love chickens Chickens are great They're awesome They're really cute

The ladies I go in the yard I'm like hi ladies I say hey ladies I give them all the scraps They love everything from the table like any leftovers it's funny to watch them though because they're like picky like the other day i thought they would eat like leftover breakfast casserole wouldn't touch it

really but they were all they didn't eat the biscuits chickens don't like biscuits well maybe they know the breakfast casserole is eggs and they're like Jesus Christ this lady's fucking nuts she's trying to turn us into cannibals ridiculous but i didn't think about that maybe it's like oh no what have I done to my ladies it might be like a natural reaction to them. I'll tell you what they go crazy for is mice. Have you ever seen? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So this is how I found out. I used to have a house in California that my wife, she changed our back fence. It was a wrought iron fence and she changed it to glass. And when she did, she signed a death warrant for a bunch of hawks. And they kept slamming into that fucking glass. And like three of them died in our yard. and one of them got caoed, but survived. And I was on the road, and she had told me about it, and they'd taken this hawk, and they had put it in a box,

and when I got back, we got them what's called Pinkies. And what pinkies are are these little baby mice that they feed them to lizards and snakes. Like, that's what they're for. Like, when you go to the pet store, they sell you these things. They're not weaned from their mother, and you feed them to snakes. I know it's dark. So they bought a bunch of them and fed this hawk, these little baby mice, and it ate all of them except one.

And my daughters were very young at the time. And they're like, we want to keep that mouse. We want to raise it. I'm like, honey, you can't. It's not going to live. Like, it's not weaned from its mother. It won't survive. I go, I'm just going to go see if the chickens will eat it.

I put this thing down, and these chickens attacked like there were raptors from geraniums. Jurassic Park. One chicken grabbed it and they all chased her around. They were stealing it. What in the world are pulling it out of her mouth? It is that they are so ferocious. Like you've never seen anything like a chicken with a mouse. I have never heard this in my life.

I'm going to show you a video. And this video there's a bunch of videos of cats with mice. So this is a mouse and why look at these chickens? They just kill this mouse. And look, they all attack each other trying to steal the mouse away from the one chicken. Did they eat? Oh, they

eat it quick yeah they devour it um hmm so there's another mouse in there that they don't know about yet so see what there's one with a cat so the cat is playing with the the mouse like you know cats don't kill it or anish they want to play and this chicken just runs over and snatches it from the cat like i have never heard this mom so look the cat has a mouse and chicken's like give me that bitch look it's got a mouse and the cat's like Jesus Christ you guys are psychos well who knew Yeah. Well, because they're dinosaurs. That's where they are. They're just dinosaurs that are really small that survive the impact of the asteroid. I also love dinosaurs, so maybe that's why chickens. I'm called paint my fault chickens. You just don't realize how ruthless they are. I've never heard this in my life. This is blowing on. I'm country as a bumpkin. And like, I've never heard this.

They destroy mice. Dang. Destroy them. They love them. They tear them apart. Well, I'm not going to go do that, but I'm glad I know that now. Like nothing I've ever seen before. We also saw a mouse that got. loose in the chicken coop once. We had a big chicken coop and a mouse went in there and I saw these chickens just tear that mouse out. Well, then my breakfast casserole is

not offensive to them. They're eating their own babies. They're not. We don't have a rooster. Well, I know, but they don't know that. You know, they brood sometimes. I know. I just let them sometimes. And I'm like, well, I just like, sometimes they look at me like, let me just sit on this.

Like, okay, you can have it. That's your egg now. Yeah, but they pluck their feathers out. I know, that's a lot. They get real, it makes you sad. It's like they want to be a mommy. They do. Yeah.

You don't let them. We had a rooster once, but he did not last. I do not enjoy having roosters. They're mean. They attack my wife. They're like, we're done. Mine attack me. I'm out on a rooster.

Yeah, they're assholes. But they're doing it because they're trying to protect their hands. Like they don't know that you're okay. They just think this big fucking thing is moving around their hands. Like this giant purse. They're also mean to the hint, real mean, brutal, ripping their feathers out. I'm like, I can't do it. Yeah, they're nasty.

How many do y'all have, chickens? We have, uh, 15, 15 or 16? You'll name them? Yes, I don't name them. The girls? And my wife names them. But the rooster, he, we only let him, got, he got to maturity, and then we gave him to a friend where like, this motherfucker can't, I was going to kill him.

They're mean. Yeah, he attacked me. I went into the, I was like, you just. kind of like show him who's boss and he's like no no I'll attack you too bitch yeah exactly attack me and I was like bitch I will fucking kill you and so to avoid killing him I gave him away well that's good because I was totally ready to kill him yeah because I want to go in there he'd face off against me and just leap at me and clawed me every time my attack me too and dad dealt with it I don't know what happened to him but dad dealt with it soup that's the thing

about roosters too I guess you can't like just outright eat them they're really tough so if you do kill them you got to like either slow cook them or turn them into soup well we probably did he didn't tell me I had a landscaper back when I lived in L.A. who used to fight chickens and he took me over his place once I hate that it was crazy I hate it he had like a hundred hundred roosters we have done so my nation has done we're not just we don't just help dogs we help all animals but dogs are focused but like we've helped break up some chicken rings it's kind of crazy it's still it's still around it's awful there's some it's always out like we have a farm in tennessee and there's a whole this whole farm like down the road and it's they keep them a tiny cage it i just hate it and

every time we report them every time they just pay the fine you know what i mean well it's a part of the culture that's the problem and they all gamble on it i know he was mexican and you know from mexico and he had uh all these friends that lived in this neighborhood where he lived in like you might as well been in Mexico. It was crazy. Everything was in Spanish. And when I went over his place, it's like his buddy, we went over his buddy's place. His buddy had like a hundred cages in the backyard in a pit where they would take the roosters. Yeah. And they put spurs on them. So they put these like knives on their claws. We try to like, we got to be part of like some of the, but when you confiscate like that many mean, I mean, you can't reintroduce them into

the world like right you know what i mean they're taught to be mean they're bred for that yeah and they'll breed champion roosters from champion other roosters let's just stick to our little backyard hens how about that yeah it's just it's a weird thing because like their their culture has been they fight them and then they take the loser and they cook them yeah and you know he was making it seem like it was no big deal and it was like to them was their gambling recreation yeah I could all gather around and guys would come from long distances to bring their chickens to fight. I hate it. Yeah.

To me, it doesn't freak me out as much as dog fighting. Dog fighting drives me nuts. Because pit bulls are the, look, they're very dangerous because they have a very high prey drive, and they often don't, they confuse children with other animals. They don't, but as pets, they are the most loyal. They're the most loving, sweetest. Kind. They love you to death.

They love you so much. But there's so many bad ones and so many ones that are raised just to fight. And that part of our culture, that part of society, like the underground dog fighting part is like, how can you do that to a dog? Like, how can you do that to the best animals? It's scum of the earth is what it is. I feel like I have some friends that are huge into pit bull rescue. And when they're either rehabilitated or just, they get a bad route period, right? Like, say, any metro shelter you go to, it's 90% pit bulls because people are afraid.

Yeah. But they get such a bad reputation, but there are some amazing pities that weren't ever in the fighting rings. They were just overbred and, you know, taking it out of a confiscation of a hoarding situation or breaking up the fighting ring. And it's the mama dog that's just been having puppies. And, like, I just wish people would at least open their minds and hearts to, like, there are some amazing pitties out there or pity mixes, you know? There are, but they're also very dangerous. I get it. I know.

They go around other dogs. They will fight those dogs to the death. I think you're, they have to be vetted. It has to be a well-vetted shelter or adoption, you know. But the problem is oftentimes you don't know their behavior until they're around other dogs. Like, I've had dogs that were great around people. And then I'd get them around any dog and their hackles would go up and they immediately wanted to fight. And you're like, oh, God.

And then you're the asshole because your dog is like pulling on the leash. And you're like, I'm sorry. Let me get them out of here. Right. I know. They're dangerous in that regard because they really are bred to fight. And I think it takes a special household and owner, too, to really kind of handle a dog like that. 100%.

Our best friends, Gwen, she's in my band and her and her husband, her longtime pit bull rescue family. And they just know how to like deal with them and they come around our dogs. they're fine everything's fine but it's definitely an alpha male out like they kind of show him his boss right away and yeah and they sort of understand the food chain of the house you know what I mean yeah there's dogs that are great dogs but they just need a lot of attention like if you have a German Shepherd or a Belgian Malamois you got to give those things something to do you got to know what kind of breed you're getting to like I feel like people I always preach adopt don't shop but I still think you within the adoption like really need to go

I'm going to spend some time with this dog. I'm going to talk to its foster family. I'm going to foster it just to really understand what kind of breed you're getting. If you want like a lazy, cuddly thing, but still protect her, get a Pyrenees. You know what I mean? Right. Just know what you're getting. Like, just understand, like, as my household ready.

Because there's a lot of the, what breaks my heart the most is the, like, owner surrenders and the returns at the shelters. You know what I mean? It's like you didn't think through what you were doing. And then the dog already thought it had a lot. home and now you bring them in. Right, because you wanted a lazy dog and you got a cow dog and it needs to run. Great Pyrenees are great because they're kind of a combination of like a lab and a protection dog. They're a great little balance. Yeah. Like I have a friend who was a Pyrenees

and it's like such a good dog and he's like, listen man, if coyotes come around here, this fucking dog fucks them up. Yep. I go, really? And he goes like, oh yeah. You ain't never seen a change of personality like this dog when it sees a coyote. But then they're like, laid up on the couch Oh, the sweetest. Just rub my bed at me. It's the best. Like I have a golden

who's, he's the best unless you're a squirrel and then he's, he's, he's, he's a demon. He's a squirrel killer. But other than that, he's a sweetest boy. He's just so nice to everybody.

Everybody who comes over the house like, you're my best friend. Golden's are the best. They're so sweet. But I love them all. I love them all. We have a Chihuahua. I mean, you're getting a chihuahua.

You know what you're getting. Mean as hell And nervous Oh my god So mean She's 16 and blind And she still tries to bite She don't know where you are

But she's like But I could get you 16 is old And blind it's a bat Oh my god Senior dog house over here Have you had her since she was a baby? Yep

Wow Got her from a shelter When she was like Eight weeks old We got two seniors now But I've lost I was crazy dog lady When my husband met me

And I had eight rescues Like, it seems crazy now, but I have farm and land, and three were parenies, two golden mixes, and then three little, I don't know what, and I've lost one every year for six years. And so after this, we have two seniors left, and my husband's like, my heart can't take this. Like, he never had dogs growing up. He loves dogs, but he was like, this is awful. Like, ever since we met, we've lost one because they're stair step and age, and so I'm like, I need a, my heart needs a break a little bit. It's hard. Yeah.

It's hard when they die. It's like, it's so hard. You're so close to them, and they only live, like, to be 15 or 13, and then it's over. They're, like, put here to show us true love. I know. They really are. Meanwhile, they're not. Meanwhile, what they are is, like, we took wolves and turned them into bitches.

That's what really, really would happen. Like, I have a King Charles Spaniel, you know, one of those. He's the sweetest. That's the sweetest. Is that Charlie? That's Charlie. He is the sweetest. He's so cute.

You pick him up, he just kisses your face. He's just so adorable. That was a wolf. At one time, someone took a wolf and turned that wolf into a bitch and like, you're not enough of a bitch. Let me turn you into more of a bitch and more floppy ears. And now we have burnadoodles. It's so weird what humans have done to dogs that we've created all these, like, totally helpless little tiny breeds. I know.

It's weird. Shih Tzu. and all these little tiny things. Picanese. Yeah, these little... But they're all amazing, and there's plenty at the shelter that y'all should go check out. Look, they're amazing. I love them. But it is a weird thing that we've done.

I know. Because they all used to be wolves at one point in time. Yeah. That's got to be the weirdest transformation of an animal by human interaction. It's a dog. I just wonder how... I just wonder, like, the first one to do it?

Do we know? They think it was just like cavemen by the fire, and wolves would come around and they had killed something and they'd throw them a bone and the relationship became the wolves would let them know if intruders were coming

and then eventually they softened to the point where they could like sleep with these people so they were like household animals or at least stay around the house and they trusted them to protect their children and then you know then they developed different breeds

that were better at like hurting sheep because you gotta think like most wolves killed sheep so all of a sudden you could teach a dog to, like, make sure the sheep don't get killed by wolves, which is nuts. It's nuts. And it's incredible to watch. Yeah. And watching dogs, like, bird dogs. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's one of my favorite. And also, like, the canine units, they blow my mind, like, the things these dogs can do and the stamina they have. And, you know. Well, I think the biggest freak dog that's ever been created is the Belgian Melancholy.

Oh, yeah. That is a fucking crazy dog. When you see them run up walls and fly through the air. But, like, that's one of the dogs, you're like, you need to know what you're getting. Oh, yeah. You need like a dude that can run with his dog. All day and you can't leave him alone and you can't like, hey man, can you watch my dog? I'm going to be gone for a week. Like, no, uh-uh. Uh-uh.

That dog's coming with you, bitch. Exactly. You need to. That dog's watching you. Yeah, that dog needs activity. Yeah. Have you ever seen the video of the difference between the way a German Shepherd approaches an assailant versus a Belgian Malmwa?

No. So they do these drills where they have a bunch of chairs in a room. And the German Shepherd runs around the chairs to try to get to the guy who's got the bite suit on. The Belgian Malamois goes over all the chairs, just like flies through the air, barely touching the chairs. Watch this. So here's the shepherd. See how the shepherd runs around? And he's like, I'm going to get you.

I'm going to get you. And he finds you and he bites you. Watch the Belgian Malmwa. As soon as they let him go, he's like, fuck these chairs right over them. That's incredible. They're just meat missiles. They're meat missiles. They're designed to go fuck things.

up that's their task all day long and they're crazy smart they're really smart it's intimidating oh yeah they look at you like a raptor in Jurassic Park they're like checking you out yeah what are we doing am I killing you or are you just one of my my dad's friend perfect perfect analogy like looking right at you like this and you're like can I put it or is he at work right now he's working yeah yeah I don't ever pet Malamo's unless I know for sure yeah they're just it's a working dog it's a different thing same You know, I mean, but it's also kind of crazy that they figured out a way to make a dog into that. Like, how do you make a dog into my dog, which is like just a cuddle, but he just, he just, a cuddle bug.

He just wants to lie down with you. Like, today we're watching TV. He just cuddles up. He's like, got his head in my lap and I'm pet him and we're watching TV. He's like, so happy. He used to be a wolf. The only one I think about in my house that used to be a wolf is my chihuahua because she's the mean. It's how ironic.

That is a wolf. That's so funny. But it's just so crazy that they figured out a way to make a wolf into a thing that protects animals from wolves. Yeah. I don't think about it like that. I mean, some of them. Have you ever seen that? What is that shepherd dog, that crazy giant one from Russia?

What is it that enormous? What is it called? Not from Russia. It's like a mountain shepherd. It looks like a werewolf. And it's got really crazy thick hair because of the climate that it lives in. But it's like 200 pounds. Like this enormous thing

That protects Caucasian Shepherd That's it Caucasian Shepherd It literally looks like a werewolf Like the werewolf that we have out front American werewolf in London That's what it looks like

And they just protect Look at that Oh I've seen those I just didn't know what they're called Crazy See if you can find one that's doing bite work But look that one looks sweet Yeah

Unless you break into the house I mean that thing's crazy Google Caucasian Shepherd Training Yeah, or bite Right there Oh god That does look at the thing in the front

That's fake But look at the side That's one like Pretending to See there's one That's doing bite work Though in that other image That's the word for them

It's like a word Of charka Like that is a big ass dog And that's another dog That's another dog that they use To protect against wolves So look at the size of that sucker I mean, it's huge.

So what are they doing here? Where are they? They're Russian? That looks like they're transporting it. Training YouTube channel. Oh, okay, they're training it. With a big bag of shitty dog food. That dog food that people buy. I know.

That stuff's so terrible. You do farmer's dog. Uh-huh. Me too. Yeah. We started off with another company called Maeve, which is great, is frozen. But just the way he eats. farmer's dog the way they eat it it must taste way better and it's the same kind of thing

it's real food it's frozen you get it frozen thaw it out and feed it to him like he when he's ready to eat they love it devours it devours it i had to start that with my senior dogs because they just had all kinds of things you know and everybody had ailments and needed pills and everything else and i was just like all right we're just going to do the expensive dog food but i had three Eat Pyrenees rescues, two golden mixes, and, like, three littler dogs. I'm like, this is, like, $700 a batch for all y'all to eat. Like, so I started making it for a while, too. Like, I would just make, like, ground turkey and vegetables.

Oh, that's great. But I just couldn't keep up with it. So, I mean, farmers dogs are what we used to. Well, it's definitely way better than regular dog food. Because way better, anything that can sit on the shelf can't be good for you. It just can't. It's filled with preservatives, and that's not good for dogs. It's like us living on Cheetos, I feel like, you know?

Exactly. But sometimes I want to eat them sometimes. I love them. Yeah. Like if you were stuck in a cabin for a week and you couldn't get out and there's an unlimited supply of Cheetos in the cabin, you're going to live. Right. But you're not going to feel real good.

No, not. You're always like, what's on your rider? I'm like, Cheetos and Titos is kind of all I need. Is that it? That's your rider? Cheetos and Titos. That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

Some people have wacky riders. What's on your rider? Not much. I have like a cheese tray. Yeah, I have a meat tray. A meat tray. When I was drinking, it was, we would definitely have like some whiskey on there and maybe like a bottle of wine. But I really don't drink anymore.

Not that I, yeah, this is like, I wasn't an alcoholic, so it's not like I can't drink. Like I had a glass of wine with dinner the other night. But it's not, I don't drink anymore. Like I don't, like, I would go to my comedy club. with my friends or we'd be going the road I'd have a couple glasses of this and a couple glasses of that and a margarita at dinner and then the next day I'd feel like shit and it wasn't ever like I couldn't stop it was just I did and then one day I was like I think I'm just going to stop for a while and see how I feel and I felt so much better so much better because I was drinking like two or

three nights a week sometimes four go out to date on a date with my wife I have a couple of drinks I'd go to the comedy club, have a couple of drinks. Maybe I'd have a drink or two with someone in the studio. Yeah. It just, I mean, I feel like that's showbiz. I mean, it's just part of it. Like, it's part of our culture. And, like, we have to bring the party, too.

That's the other thing. It's like, how am I supposed to bring the party if I'm not partying with you? Right. You know? That's a problem. Yeah. Yeah, that's a problem. Especially in, like, the honky-tong day.

Like, I came up in, like, beer joints. I'm talking about, like, bad bars, you know what I mean? And you just start getting in it with people. And then you're on your day off. You're like, oh, we're going to have a nice date and have a drink. You know what I mean? It's kind of spirals. I know.

But I love it. I love red wine. Like, it's my favorite thing. Yeah. I don't hate drinking. I just hate how I feel the next day. But like, I'm not, you know, I'd say I'll never do it again. But for now I'm not doing it anymore.

But I'll still have a drink or two. Not even two. Not even two. I didn't even have a full glass of wine the other day. I had like a half a glass of wine. I'm like, we're good. But like if somebody has a bottle of buffalo trays and we're sitting around talking shit, I want to have a couple of drinks.

I might. You're just giving yourself permission to be wherever you are. I'm just trying to be healthier is what it is. And I recognize that like if I do all these healthy things for my body, I work out all the time, I eat so well. I take all these vitamins. Like, why am I letting myself get poisoned four nights a week? That seems stupid, especially with my lifestyle.

It's better, like, even if I just limit it to one night a week, it's better. But really, it's better just not. Yeah. The reality is it's not good for you. Well, I know, but it's fun. It is fun. It is fun. Getting, like, catching a buzz is fun.

Some of my favorite podcasts we've ever done, like, when we do protect our parks, we get hammered. Yeah. They're fun. Yeah, I bet. Yeah. I mean, people aren't doing it because they're stupid. Right. There's a reason why they enjoy being drunk.

Yeah. And have for thousands of years. Thousands of years. I mean, it's probably responsible for so many relationships starting in the first place, so many people meeting people, so many fun friendships. A lot of the memories, too. It's like on the road, after the show, it's like when everybody's just really being themselves. It's also a culturally acceptable drug that most people know how to consume.

I mean, they might do it wrong or they might get too drunk or DUI or be an asshole or it's possible. But it's enough of a normal thing that a good percentage of people know when they've had enough. Right. And they know the right dose. You know, you have a couple drinks. Like, I'm good. Yeah. You know where you're at.

Whereas any other drug that you're trying today is illegal. Yeah. And any other drug, it's like, who knows what's going to happen. Right. Yeah. And if you want to go next door, like really next door, next door. I'm going down the street. Yeah.

You can go down the street with whiskey. He can go to another town. It's martini. Everybody knows, like, do not drink more than two martinis. Are you an insane person? Like, you can't. Everybody knows it? Everyone should know it.

Like, I feel like that's what really. Do you know Burke Kreisher? That motherfucker can put some martinis down. Really? Yeah. I'm like, two's good. Like, that's straight up. Well, you're smart.

Just straight. I mean, and then have your glass wine. Whatever you want. I have to. When you see, like, you know, somebody sit at a bar by themselves at like three. clock and then you're like dang that's their third martini they're about to hit the dick and they're fine i'm like something's gonna happen later something's gonna happen later they probably do it all the time that's the thing that's the here's your sign yeah yeah yeah it's supposedly better for you right isn't it

like do you drink tito's like a vodka martini is probably is a gin martini the same i don't know i'm a titos and topos oh teetos and topo they say that's clear liquor is better for you right don't they I don't know. We've made excuses for every single thing we want to do today. They say tequila is the best for you. Like, this nicotine is great for us. Yeah, it's good for the money. This teos is clear. It's awesome. It's supposedly better for you, isn't it? Is there a reason why clear liquor is like a real reason why clear liquor? There's less additives in it. There you go. Less additives. That's it. You're pretty sure. Even tequila has got, you got, you got to find the good stuff. Right, but if you find the good, that's the other thing. I was reading this thing about

how much tequila is fake. How much tequila is fake? How much tequila? It's not really made with agave? That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot of fake. That'll hurt your ass. I mean, tequila will, it's not forgiving if you abuse it. It's a certain kind of drunk, too.

Don't ask me how I know. Tequila is like a shootout with the cops drunk. Yeah, that's like I shot my TV with my shotgun. It's a high speed chase drunk. Tequila is just like, ooh, we were drunk on tequila. Yikes. Like, you know, he just picture yourself doing something. definitely incorrect yeah it's a funny thing that I guess it makes sense though that music and and comedy

for in a lot of ways is connected to drinking because drinking like lowers inhibitions and it makes you want to sing along and it makes you want to dance and maybe you don't feel like you got the confidence to dance but you get a couple shots fuck it let's get on the dance floor it's like raise your yeah it's just that's like the that's it's just a it's like a feeling and it's you're part of the party and you're part of the song and you're part of the show and or whatever like what i just think especially i think our i think music and comedy are the most as far as show business like you're not you know that people just feel like that's something that they go there to do right well the two things that you have to go see live you don't have to i mean you can just listen to music in your phone and all that stuff but the reality is it's way better if you're there live yeah like live going to see live music to me is like so inspirational because I don't have any skill at live music at all. I don't have any musical talent. I can't play any instruments. So it's just I don't ever think like, huh, I wonder why they did it that way. I see where they're going with that. You can just

enjoy it. I could just be entertained. That's great. And it's, I think music is a drug in and of itself because it does something to your, a great song does something very powerful to you. Yeah. Like it'll make you feel powerful emotions or powerful. inspiration it's like it does something that nothing else does in a weird weird way and it feels so good like when you have a song that somebody comes up and says that song changed my life that song you know I have one called house that built me that's like the one people come up to me the most and we're like that's my story and it's I didn't write it I'm like but that's when I heard it that's why I was like this is my story too and those are the and like as a songwriter when you write a song like that that's that's the ultimate like reminder like this is why i do that like yeah it made somebody feel something it made somebody get through something it made somebody want to punch somebody whatever the emotion is as long as it brings out emotion we've done our job right think of how many people you've done that too how nuts that is like you've had so many hit songs so you've had so many songs that

resonated with people where they all felt that feeling when that song came on like oh this is my song yeah this is my song turn it up I have like the feisty a lot of the feisty I mean I'm a little calmer now but it used to be quite the firecracker just pia pia pia pia pia pia pia I mean there's a reason I have

revolver's tattooed a bar but now I'm shooting them off horses like just a little like pistol personality I guess and so like my feisty songs I mean at every single show pretty much every single show there's a girl fight in the pit every single one yeah they just

get riled up. They get riled up. I'm telling you, they just get, I mean. I wonder if you have more girl fights than other female singers. I don't know. I bet you do. If every single show, you have a girl. Almost every show.

I bet that's real odd. Have you talked to other female singers? Do they have similar stories? Yeah, I haven't asked. How many girls fight your show? Yeah, you should ask. You should totally ask. Because it's like towards this part where it's like, I call it my ramp up.

It's like, gum powder and lid, little red wagon, mom is broken. heart and like they just start getting wound up yeah they think about their ex that motherfucker or he's there and they're fine like it's just a lot he's there with a woman I have a front row seat to it I'll stop if it gets real bad I just stop and go hey y'all we're tone her down a little bit really every show almost every show that's really odd Miranda I know I think that's odd I think that that might be a very specific reaction that you have on people maybe I need I mean now and I'm pretty calm now I'm like it's all right we got some bad It's coming up.

Everybody take a sip. Take a seat. Y'all settle down. I think it's great. They're feeling something. Yeah. Bringing out of motion. Yeah.

That's my job. 100%. Yeah. I bet it's great at the gym. Those songs. I think about that bitch. They punch at the concert. Right.

They're on that elliptical machine. I have a lot of those like, girl, you're my bitch. Like those kind of girls that are. And I love it. I love that. Yeah. That's awesome.

Yeah, you can't buy that. That's a weird feeling. It is. Yeah. You have to earn that feeling. You'll have to come to a show that's like one that I know for sure is going to be one of those. I would love to. I would love to.

Watch from the stage. I loved you at the McConae event. It was amazing. That's such a cool event, too. It's such a good event. And I love all those boys. And Jack and I mean, Jack Ingham was one of my heroes from back in the day. I started watching him when I was 15.

And he had such charisma. And that's fine. I'd be like, I want to do that. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, I've known him for a really long time. It's such a cool thing when you're going to an event like that, and it's for a great cause, so everybody's, like, super positive about why they're there.

It's not just to have fun. It's also, it does, like, such an amazing service for people. It does, and they do such a good job with that show. They do. It's put together so well. You know who blew me away at that show, too? Is Lucas. Yeah, he's great.

Whoa. I love him. He is great. People are like, oh, it's Willie Nelson's son. I'm like, oh, okay, that'll be cool. cool and then he started saying i was like holy shit like this guy's fucking great he's he's not just good he's great great musician and he's a great guy sweetheart he's a sweetheart super sweetheart yeah you have uh got the had the pleasure of getting to know him now he's

really nice guy a genuine nice guy but god can he say he can't especially when he does that pipes when he really go leans into the soul more soul stuff it just makes him shine like Because it's just so different than what people would think it was going to be. Right. You know? Right. And his pipes. Yeah.

Woo! When the notes he hiss, I was like, gh. And when he goes for it, he, like, sings with his body. Like, his whole body. Like, you know he's going to go for it. And I love it. Yeah. And he does this, like, I don't know.

It's going to hurt later in life. But he does this, like, back bin thing. We're like, he's on his knees. He's, like, been all the way back playing a guitar solo. And I'm like, God, how does he do that? Is that adrenaline or what is that? Stretching. Yeah.

It's just stretching. Yeah, I could probably do that like a decade ago, not now. I bet you could. I'm not going to try. Well, not on stage. Well, you must have core strength beyond that horse when you're shooting at things. Yeah. You know what helps with that is Lotties.

Oh, I'm sure. Like, I ride so much better when I'm doing like consistent Pilates. I did Pilates once with my wife. I was like, oh, it's hard. It's hard of shit. A lot harder. It's like yoga in a way that like people think, oh, yoga, you're just going and stretching. Like, no, no, no.

Like, go do it. It's fucking hard. It's hard. And Pilates is hard. I was like, oh, this is weird. This is using weird muscles. Yeah, like shaky ones. You're like, why am I shaking?

Yeah, like stabilizing muscles. But it's like a really good thing to balance out other stuff, you know? But that would definitely improve your core strength and allow you to be able to... When I first started riding, I was like, I'm still not great. And I still have fear, you know, on a horse. Like I'm just not super comfortable all the time, you know, when we're going fast. So I'm just learning to work up to that. But when I first started riding, I didn't start riding a horse ever until I was 30 years old.

And I wish I'd started at 4 when I was fearless. You know what I mean? Right. But starting at 30, you're like getting on this giant animal and you don't know what you're doing. And my trainer at the time was like, you need to do Pilates. And so I started Pilates and it really helped me. Like, it helped me like stabilize myself a little more. That's interesting.

Your trainer told you to do Pilates to help horse riding. She was training my horses and teaching me how to ride. She was like, you do not have a horse training. strength at all you need to go to do Pilates that's interesting that you would choose that huh I guess that makes sense but I would think that there's other stuff you could do too like those you ever see what a bowsuit ball is you know oh yeah like standing on that ball with a flat bottom to it where you like balance yes and they have this uh it's like it's like this saddle you sit on and it's like it's almost like one of those balls but

saddle you sit on like if you're sitting on a yoga ball but it's a saddle and it like Like my shooting coach, Kinda, my friend Kinda, she'll tell me, get your gun belt on and get your guns out and sit on your, is that the yoga ball, the big workout ball? Sit on that and shoot off that. That makes sense. Like when you're doing your drills or whatever. Stabilize. It's all just about stabilizing. I know a lot of people that sit at their desk on one of those.

Yeah, which is smart. I guess. I'm glad I don't have to sit at a desk. I don't think I'll do well. Well, I have to sit at this desk. But these chairs, they keep you upright. These are really good. They're good.

They make you sit correctly, or at least encourage you to sit correctly rather than a... But when you started doing that, when you were 30, how long did it take before he started shooting guns off of a horse? I just started that last year. Oh, okay. I mean, I just started... I mean, I just started... I showed Gypsy Vanners. They're like, lazy draft horses, kind of.

I got into those because I was 30 and, like, I can't afford to get hurt. Like, I'm on the road all the time. So I wanted something safe to learn on. Have you fallen before? Oh, yeah, falling up 100 times. Really? Yeah. I mean, I tried to do hunter jumper.

I thought I wanted to be, I was like, all excited. I'm like, I'm going to be a cowgirl at 30 years old. I'm like, I'm going to finally be a cowgirl. I want a barrel race. Well, then I learned that's, I don't want a barrel race, which kind of the guns, it's patterns and it's going fast around. You have to go around a barrel. So kind of back to that. But this old cowboy trainer where I got my first horse, he was like, you need to go take English lessons because you need your fundamentals.

because you're not just going to get a Western saddle and act like you know what you're doing. Go take lessons because English is so proper. What is English lessons? English and like the hunter jumpers, like the dressage. It's like the very proper, you know, English writing teaches you the fundamentals. Look, I'm sitting up straighter talking about. To where Western is a lot more loose. And so it's taught me a lot taking English lessons.

But I thought I'd do hunter jumper, which is like, you know, jumping over the poles. Right. And that's where I really hit the ground a few times. Like, I wasn't ready for that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just, it's been a cool journey. It's just, I mean, it's a lot to learn.

It's a lot to learn. I'm imagining it's also like rough on the body too. Yeah. Yeah, it is. That's why I'm like, give me your safe. Is my cool, my horse? He is super safe. I just, I don't, I want to learn really badly and I want to grow and be better,

but I don't want to do it at a certain cost. like do you enter competitions or anything i showed my vanners for 10 years what does that mean i just went to horse shows and like you said some words i don't understand i showed my vanners that sounds dirty when you say it back like that what's a vanner no it's my gypsy vanners are the kind of horses i have so i went and showed them in um competitions like just english pleasure Western pleasure like just riding around the rail and it's about your technique and oh okay it's not like jumping or so when English it's just about being in control of the horse yep it's your technique yeah yeah and then and then I got into the shooting and I'm not

going back are you going to do competitions with the shooting I did one last year just just to like get my first one out of the way and it was fun as a lot of I mean scary scary shit honestly but like all these girls I ride with are so good like they go a hundred miles an hour like I'll I gotta show you Kinda like she is she is your video over yeah she's amazing what's her last name one sane it's L-A-N-S-E-S-I-E-N-G Google it I'm spelling her way she's amazing and they go so fast and like it's a timed I mean it's a timed event right so you're competing just against you really like how how precise and how fast you could go on your horse so you have like a green light and then you go like do they how do they start you off they you do you do what do they say

they flag oh they drop a flag and then you go and then you go I didn't go that fast I did mine in like 28 seconds she does it in like eight seconds like seven course yeah it's insane she's amazing but but that's it's something to work towards like many times that she wiped out oh she's broke down as hell she's broke down she has cowgirl broke down but she's still going she wiped out so bad last year and just gets right back on keeps going riding in a cast like it's a cowgirl way riding in a cast tough that's tough they're tough yeah people are built different they are you got any videos i just found it one here we go i want to see this she's awesome because i saw that you you were doing that i was like that's bananas but it looks like

fun. It is fun. Do they have one of those where they do bow and arrow? They have bow and arrow. There she is. Oh, here she goes. They have bow and arrows. Woo. Rifles. The rifles are crazy. Imagine this lady running up to you on a ranch with a

pistol in her hand. She is legit. That's crazy. She's one of my besties. Is there high speed where they're not showing it? Here it goes. Oh, wow. that's crazy

oh man this is awesome she is a literal never misses oh now I get it okay this looks like fun there's 83 patterns so the horse

never runs the same pattern wait a minute how is she shooting that many times it's five shots and a gun change so

oh you have to change your gun yeah so how many shots is it total in one of these rounds where you run 10 10 so okay so yeah

We have 10 things. This is like a highlight reel, but yeah. Ten shots. But yeah, so that's my bestie who's teaching me how to do it. That's awesome. Well, that's how to learn. She's awesome. Learn from a psycho.

Exactly. She looks completely insane. You got to have a serious screw loose to be good at that. Wow. Yeah. Oh, my God. Look at this dude. Oh, this is her.

That's her and Charles. Wow. Oh, yeah. How about your kind of 12? And zero, seven, zero. I don't know what those numbers mean, but it looks awesome. It looks like fun. Yeah, it's really fun.

And it's, I don't know. It's a very country thing to be involved in. Well, guess what? Guess what, Joe? It's perfect. It's perfect for you. We talked about chickens. We talked about dogs.

We talked about guns on horses. Archery, hunting, filling the black. Like, Tito's a very, but that's a very country activity because it's not just horse riding. It's a horse riding with pistols. Yeah, I mean, come on. Yeah. I love it. It's funny that I didn't know that that was such a big thing. See if there's one way they do it off with bows and arrows.

I want to see that. It's crazy. That sounds. I haven't seen that in person, but the rifles. Oh, rifles they do too? They do it with rifles and you don't have reins. Because you got, you used two hands to shoot the ruffles. Right.

They're riding with their legs. Whoa. Right. Right. And the horses is making wild turns. Yeah. Crazy strength in your legs to keep in place.

That needs a lot of Pilates. Oh, yeah. So you can find one what they're doing at bows and arrows. Because I know that that's how the Mongols did it. That's how the Comanches did it. They learned how to shoot

while they were, they learned how to time the release of their arrow while the horse was in the air. Yeah. They had the least amount of disturbance. What is this one? Epic Equestrian Mounted Archery.

But are they, is this a competition? I mean, I don't know that there's many of them. I don't know that there's a... Oh, yeah, so they have targets. Yeah, but this looks like a... British horseback archery. See, that's a... She's in a dressage saddle doing that.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, look at this. The guy's got the crazy Mongol hat on, too. Oh, that makes... Look at that. That's cool. Is that your next hobby? I don't fuck with horses It's just

I like them I love them I think they're awesome I don't want to ride them There you go There's a little thing for it Oh that's cool That's like a pattern

Yeah so very similar Similar kind of deal Tarrant tactical for horses Yeah Exactly exactly Tarrant tactical is a tactical range In California We go and that's where

Keanu Reeves learned how to shoot guns I used to go there When I lived in California You do like shoot a ready Yeah And you go through a tactical course That's where we shoot out in Scotts Hill is a bit called Ben Avery Shooting Facility, and it's like all of that. It's anything that can be shot is shot there.

Yeah. And they, so Kenda had him build a rodeo arena so we could do our balloons. That would be the coolest thing to have on your property. Yeah. Have a tactical range right on your property. This place is huge. It's out there in the desert, so like there's plenty of space to do all the things. That's what I was thinking about, that shooting pistol.

on the horses? Like, when did they figure out to not use bullets? Because, like, they're out of a time. Something happened. Something happened. And the horses wear earplugs, too, which is great. They probably had to figure that out later in life, too. Horses were earplugs. But when did they figure out? How many people got shot

before they realized, hey, we probably shouldn't be using real bullets to shoot these balloons? Yeah. Black powder might be a better call. Because you got all those people in the audience, and then you got someone on a horse. It is. And she catches hell for it. People are like, you can't be. She's like, it's like, it's The dictator safe. It's safe for the horses. Everybody wears earplugs. It's black powder. Who gets mad?

People. Everybody wants to bitch about something. Right. You know. But that's just how it's good. You would know more than anyone. I don't need to tell you. You can't make everybody happy. It's impossible. No, you can't. And you're always going to make someone mad. As long as you're really that, you'll be okay. Yeah. And as long as you stay offline. Yeah. Stay off that TikTok. Stay out of that river. That TikTok river. Yeah.

A lot of people drown in that river. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else we want to talk about? Should we wrap this up? Yeah, I mean, we talked about every country thing you talked about. We basically did. Listen, you're really fun to talk to.

I really enjoyed it. Thank you. We're having me on here. I really appreciate it. And I love your music, and I love your personality, so it was really cool to have you in here. Well, come see us on the road. I would love to have you. Are you ever in Austin soon? I'm playing the San Antonio Rodeo next year.

When is that? What time? February. February. Oh, okay, so like in a couple of months. Yeah. Okay. We'll try to make it down for that.

Okay. Are you ever in Austin, though? I haven't played in Austin in a long time. Really? I don't know why. I'm here all the time, and I don't know. I need to get that on the books. Okay.

Well, I will come. I will definitely come. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. If anybody wants to go find you out on the river, social media, the river.

I'm on all your social media platforms. You're on all that stuff? Mirandabemort.com. Okay. Thank you very much. Bye, everybody. You know what I'm going to be.