The Joe Rogan Experience - #2416 - Dan Farah

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

Dan Farah is the director and producer of "The Age of Disclosure," a documentary revealing a 80-year global cover-up of the existence of non-human intelligent life, and a secret war among major nations to reverse-engineer advanced technology of non-human origin. See it now in select theaters and streaming on Amazon Prime Video.  www.theageofdisclosure.comwww.youtube.com/@TheAgeOfDisclosure Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Rogan podcast checking out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night All day What's up, Dan? How are you? Good to see you. Good. Good to see you again. First time I saw you was the first time I saw you documentary, which is fucking excellent. Thank you, bro. The Age of Disclosure, really good. Can't recommend it enough.

If you're a UFO dork like myself, and you're in and out, Like sometimes, like, this is bullshit. Maybe it's real. This is bullshit. Maybe I'm wasting my time. Maybe it's real. Maybe it's... Go see the age of disclosure.

And then you'll be fully in the I don't fucking know, but who... Something's going on. That's where I am right now. I don't know, but something's going on. Definitely something going on. It's a real situation. Yeah, it's a real weird one. When you see all these, like, high-level government employees talking about secret access programs

and back engineering programs that have been going on for decades, and decades in secrecy, and you're like, your documentary did a fantastic job of highlighting a couple of reasons why I always, when people are skeptical and they go, okay, if there was a program like this, why wouldn't they just tell us? You have to really understand the consequences of what they've done, because what they've done is lie to Congress for a long time. It's a misappropriation of funds, clear felonies. Yeah, lie to the public, lie to Congress, lie to sitting presidents.

Just the money stuff. Also, let's just be really, let's be just honest about human nature. If you have complete access to enormous amounts of money that's not under any oversight at all, for sure, some of it went in the pockets of people that probably shouldn't have got it. 100%. I think it's safe to say. 100%. Everyone I've talked to who's aware of the details of the deeply hidden legacy program

says that it's at least over a trillion dollars spent since the 40. It's an enormous amount of money. And it's a much bigger program than people would suspect. You're talking thousands of people, full-time jobs, then going home to their families. The guy sitting next to your kids' little league baseball game. You know, normal people on the outside are involved in this deeply hidden program. It's bonkers. And the idea, this is another thing that drives me nuts, the idea that people can't keep secrets, shut the fuck up.

Yes, they can. If you're told your reputation. Some people can't keep secrets. But by the time you get to be a high-level operative in the United States government, I'm guessing you can keep a fucking secret. Yeah. And if you're told, hey, you can just disappear one day or you can have your reputation ruined. Right. You're going to get blackmailed about this or that.

You're just going to keep quiet. Yeah, people can keep secrets. And by the way, not everybody does. The Bob Lazar story to this day is like that, that documentary by Jeremy Corbell was the reason why I went all the way back in with UFOs. I'm like, all right, God damn it, I believe Bob. It's a great talk. It's a great talk. And that one's available.

It's, uh, Area 50, Bob Lazar, Area 51 and Flying Saucers. Is that the name of it, the title of it? Something along those lines. Fantastic documentary. For me, like, I, look, my childhood was the 80s and early 90s, so I grew up on movies like ET and Close Encounters and TV shows like X-Files and movies like Fire in the Sky. I remember that movie? Oh, yeah.

I had Travis in here. Yeah, you did. I love that interview. Fantastic. That movie gave me nightmares. Crazy. Because. Kept me up as a kid.

All those, a couple of those guys on that crew hated him. Like, one of them he got in a fist fight with that day. Yeah. And that guy had the exact same story that everybody else had. He got hit by a beam of light. They went back to get him. He was gone. Then five days later, he shows up.

Yeah, he's not malnourished. He's not, like, he hasn't been sleeping in the woods. It's crazy. And he's got this fucking insane story about being repaired on a UFO. Yeah. And all those guys passed light detector. Yes, all of them did. The, you know, like movies like that, I'm sure for millions of people around the,

world same thing it just made me curious about this you know yeah my whole life I'm like are we alone in the universe does the U.S. government know more about this than we do right and I always wish that there was a documentary that only interviewed people who have direct knowledge of the topic as a result of work for the government and that was that was the real drive of making this film everybody fits that criteria here's the fear that everyone has including myself and it is the way this is the main fear that I have whenever I sit down with any whistleblower um how many of them are on purpose, that their directive, that their objective is to spread misinformation on purpose, on behalf of the government, that they're there to just bullshit you.

Yeah, and of course I had that, I had that thought, but for me, I stopped worrying about that when I met one intelligence official, government official, military official after another, who had completely different ideological views, different political beliefs. They weren't associate with each other, and they were all saying the same thing. And so I just don't – the alternative to everything these people are saying in my film being true is that 34 people of different political parties, different government groups, with different aspirations, all got together four years ago and decided to tell this elaborate lie randomly with me in a movie and for what end? Well, there is a couple ends, right? One of them could be they're being told to do this because this is a real thing, but it's different than what they're saying. And they're trying to get one narrative out there. Well, let's imagine that there's a current coordinated effort with the United States government and some sort of alien intelligence. Wouldn't it behoove you to make it more of a mystery?

Like we've been trying, we've been, that we have found things, but we don't know what they're, they are, and we're back engineering, but we don't know much. But meanwhile, they know way more. Well, yeah, look. Like, that's just one scenario. That could be a scenario. But in this case, you have people who, like Rubio, who found out what's going on. Right.

Who think it is very urgent that the public get caught up and find out the base facts. His biggest fear, clearly, is we are in a high stakes technology race, a Cold War race with adversarial nations like China to reverse engineer technology of nonhuman origin. And his fear, he literally says in the film, is that if we don't get our act together and take this more seriously as a country, we're going to wake up one day, we're going to find out the hard way that China got there. We won't know when or how, but to quote him, we will be screwed. And you could feel it. Like, I did all the interviews myself. I'm like, just close to him. He's chin buckled when he said it.

He was dead serious and he was super concerned, and you can feel it. And that was the vibe with Senator Rounds, Senator Gillibrand. Jim Clapper, guys never talked about this topic in his life. He was in his 80s. He was the head of Air Force intelligence. He was the director of national intelligence, never publicly spoken about UAP. He goes on, he comes out and does the interview and he told me, excuse me, he told me that he was doing it because it was important to do and that the people needed to know. And he drops the bomb in the film that UAP activity over Air 51 is real.

It's in fact real. And he goes on the record saying that the Air Force has had a program to investigate this stuff, whereas the Air Force is saying they haven't had a program since Project Blue Book. So I think the people that I interviewed really felt like a weight on their shoulders to get this off their chest. And to give you more context on Clapper, the poor guy's wife was in the hospital dying. He left the hospital to come to the interview. And I actually said to him, I was like, are you sure you want to do this today? And he's like, no, I want to do it. It's important.

Wow. So, like, I think I really felt it. These people all felt like the public needed to know the base facts that they could lawfully disclose. And to me, the more wild thing is if this is, if what? What they reveal in this film, the fact that there's been an 80-year cover-up of non-human intelligent life, that we're in a secret high-stakes race with adversarial nations, if that's what they can lawfully disclose? Dude, what's on the other side of that line?

What's the stuff they can't disclose? Right. You know? Yeah. When you're talking to these people, how many of them have had personal experiences that they either can or cannot talk about? Or how many of them, has anyone had some sort of personal experience with either a craft or scenes.

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We'd love to talk, business. something yeah yeah so that they couldn't talk about that they there were some scenarios that they couldn't talk about and then there were some scenarios they could talk about um but yes Jay Stratton for example who ran the U.S. government's UAPE task force he was the director of the UAPE task force he co-founded Ossap with Jim Ocatsky which grew into ATIP he has seen with his own eyes non-human craft and non-human beings some situations that he can't talk about, some situations that he, he can. And I know he intends to talk about those in the very new future.

Yeah, I've talked to him. So is that the only one that saw a non-human being that you talked to? No. Talk to a couple people who have. And were they similar stories? They were similar stories. They described. The beings looking, the reference point they gave me was very similar to the beings depicted in close encounters.

That is the description they used. Yeah. The, in terms of the crafts, one of the interviews in the film that I'm really proud of, an Air Force security guard who worked at Vanderberg Air Force Base, who's never gone public, witnessed with his own eyes, along with. five other security forces members, a giant UAP, the size of a football field that came over Vanderberg Air Force Base, hovered over them, and then shot off at thousands of miles an hour. And he went on the record on camera. He's never talked about it publicly. He's never pursued press or, you know, tried to do anything with this experience. And he broke his silence in this film because he thought it was really important that the world know the truth. Did you ask him

if there's any footage? I would imagine Vanderberg has some pretty tight security. Yeah, he thinks that there is a security camera footage of this but he's never seen it he's never seen him in five it was him and five other guys saw with their own eyes they all reported it there's official Air Force police blogger reports of it I got a hold of the police report put we put it on screen in the film that's what drives me crazy all this could be cleared up if they released the whatever high-resolution security camera footage they have I would imagine they have top-dodge security camera footage around major

military facilities. Yeah. Right? So that's one of the hurdles we have to get past. We have to start declassifying this stuff. It's just like if that shouldn't be yours. Like that should be the United States government has an obligation to give that to the people of the world. That's what that should be.

If you have footage of a fucking UFO or a real one. Yeah. And you really have a video of it going thousands of miles an hour just disappearing into the sky. Yeah. 100%. I mean, I don't think any government or organization or a relationship or a real thing. Anyone should be able to gatekeep these fundamental facts, you know? I know, but the problem is until you see it, it's just talk.

You know, if you saw it and you know the chain of command, like where it came from, or a chain of custody, rather, where it came from, it hasn't been molested, have analysts tested, it's not AI, it's not bullshit, it's not edited, okay, what is it? Yeah. And then we can talk. But until then, like, what do we have? We have the GoFast footage. We have the gimbal footage, and we have the very kind of grainy, weird. TikTok footage. It's hard to tell what it is because you're looking at it from the instrumentation of the fighter jets. Yeah. But there is also other, there is also other data on the TikTok

incident that's classified that shows this is a real object that was really there. Jamie's showing me something. What do you show me, Jimmy? This is Ryan Graves talking about the big red UFO that hovered over Vandenberg in 2003. Yeah, so that happened in the afternoon. And then that night, this giant craft came over the base that is revealed in my film it was a second event. So it says right here the executive director of the Graves who's been on the podcast for

Awesome guy. Yeah, Ryan Graves is awesome. Citing occurred around 8.45 a.m. followed by a second sighting only hours later. He said witnesses provided him with information about the mysterious incidents as they held onto official documentation records from the event over the years. Yeah. And so later that night

there was another... Later in the evening post-sunset the reports of other sightings on base, including some aggressive behaviors. These objects were approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds before darting off. Like close encounters. Like literally like the movie.

Yeah. I just wonder how much Stephen Spielberg. I love to talk to him about that. How much he dove into it before he made that film. Because, you know, he had the Jacques Valet character, that French scientist. I think he learned a lot in the 70s. People forget.

He also wrote Poultergeis. Right. Yeah. This guy knew what was going on early on. But put yourself in the shoes of those security guards at Vanderberg. Can you imagine just being a normal guy? You work in your security shift. You look up, and there's something the size of a football field over you?

Hovering silently. No windows. It's fucking terrifying. And it's crazy. And he says, we did a New York City premiere a couple nights ago, Tuesday night. We did it on the intrepid aircraft carrier. Oh, wow. It was awesome.

And Fraver and Graves can. It was great to be on an aircraft carrier with, you know, Fraver and Graves. That's awesome. Fravor loved it. He's like, I'm back on a carrier, baby. It was classic But the witness from Vanderberg came And he

We did a little talk after for the audience And he said it changed his life He just completely looks at everything differently Oh how could it not Yeah how could it not Yeah I mean if you see something like that Totally humbling and also You know

Eye opening There's several people in the film Military Military guys who talk about What they experienced and saw on military bases Especially nuclear bases which is goes back to one of the biggest concerns the leaders in my film have almost all the activities over our nuclear weapon sites and military bases

our defense capabilities and our nuclear progress essentially are being monitored and why is that because it's dangerous as fuck yeah because as terence mckenna described us were territorial uh apes were violent nuclear weapons yeah yeah it's ridiculous position. Yeah. And so that's clear to me too. And then you think about, okay, well, where does all this go? Like, comes to a crossroads, right?

Like, they've been here a long time. They've been monitoring us a long time. But now we've evolved to be dangerous. And we're either at through secret programs, their level, or we're about to be. And then that's when you get to a crossroad. So I think that's one of the things driving officials like Rubio and Rounds and J. Brand and Jay Stratt and to come out and say what they legally can because it's a set of circumstances that the human population really needs to know about. And then it's become a

humanitarian issue. How do we deal with this? Right. And what is it? Right. What is their purpose? If they are real, are they here to help us? Are they monitoring us? One of the creepiest things that Bob Lazar said is that they look at us like containers. Yeah, I mean. And I was like, what does that mean? Like containers of souls is what? what I interpreted from it, but that's just me. But like, what does that mean? Containers. Like, like, it seems like human beings have an insatiable desire to innovate and create better technology.

And that seems to be leading us into AI and seems to be leading us into probably what connects us with the rest of the universe, the rest of the intelligence of the universe. But the stuff that got us here is being these territorial apes. You know, that's why we developed cities and that's why we developed agriculture. That's why we had enough free time to innovate. We had enough free time to invent things and change things. But our nature is really what holds us back because we're still constantly warring. Like, it hasn't changed at all. No, it's crazy that we're still threatening nuclear war 80 years after, you know, dropping the bomb on Japan.

We're still invading sovereign nations. We're involved in a proxy war. We're, you know, we're helping Israel. It's like there's so much chaos and death going on. on the world because of human beings and the decisions that they're making, that if I was an intelligent life species from somewhere else, I'd be very concerned. Yeah, I'd be like, here's this group of monkeys on a, you know, trajectory. About to make a digital god.

They're real close to having super intelligence in digital form. And these idiots are still blowing themselves up from the sky. Yeah. Which also is why one of the current dilemmas exists, right? So this technology exists. Private defense contractors have this technology, elements of the government have this technology. You're convinced. Beyond convinced.

And what do you think that technology consists of? I have been completely convinced by multiple members of the intelligence community, the military, senior leaders in government, people who are running the Senate Armed Services Committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee, someone who sits on the White House National Security Council, that our country has recovered dozens, dozens of crashed. craft of non-human origin and done so since the 40s. And there has been success for reverse engineering elements of the technology. And the same thing has been happening in China and Russia. And it's a very real situation. It's a high-stakes situation. It is referred to as the atomic race on steroids. And I am completely convinced of that. And the contractors that, the defense contractors that people like Jay Stratt and Louis-Lzondo and people on the Senate Intel committee have told me are involved are Lockheed Martin, North O'Grumman, Raytheon, Patel, big companies

that have a lot of resources and are advancing this technology, but it's also classified and so deeply hidden that it hinders progress. And the fear that if this technology got out, it would be used by bad actors to create weapons of mass destruction has sort of prevented the scientific progress that could be better for mankind, that could be good for mankind. Like, this technology, to quote Hal Pudoff in the film, he says, this is the key to interstellar travel. This is the key to exploring the galaxy.

This is the key to, you know, things that sound like science fiction, like teleportation, all these things that could just revolutionize humanity and, like, the trajectory of our species, are being held back out of the fear that the technology will be used for evil. right? And so, you know, I love how Poodoff. I've gotten very close with him and, you know, he makes a really fascinating guy. Fascinating guy. He's the most interesting person I ever met my life. He makes a great point in the film of saying he believes, despite the risks this technology could be used for bad, he believes we should make it known and make it a humanitarian issue of how we all collectively go about safely using this technology to change the world for the better and avoid. And we've done that. We have a blueprint for that with nuclear technology, right? Like, there are nuclear weapons. That's thus classified. We wish they didn't exist, but it does exist. And then we also use nuclear energy for good. Yeah. The question would be, if we're holding back, because we're worried that bad actors are going to get it, is China taking the same approach? Because I would imagine they're not.

They're not. I would imagine they're full bore, full steam ahead. Yeah. And that's one of the problems. That's the same thing with a lot of other technology, right? Yeah. Rubio and Rounds and Jillabran, three of the most senior leaders in our government, talk very openly about their concern about China and them getting ahead of us on reverse entering this technology. Rubio says it keeps them up at night. Rounds very animatedly says in the film, do you think for one second that they wouldn't use this technology for their domination? if they didn't think we had access to the same technology. How was everybody getting these crashed UFOs?

What's the story behind that? So here's an interesting thing. One of the unexpected things I learned in talking to sources, like real credible people, is that some of the crashes were actual crashes, where just, you know, crashes happen, just like they do for, you know, you could drive as safe as possible, fly safe as possible crashes are going to happen. But some of them were actually caused by elements of our military intelligence community and elements of foreign military intelligence community people. So like one of the realizations early on was that atomic weapon testing, nuclear weapon testing, atomic weapon testing has a ripple effect that can down these things.

Especially high altitude nuclear testing, which is one of the things that they did in the 1950s. in particular. Yeah, and so they started doing it to, like, shoot fish in a barrel, basically. They did it on purpose? Yeah. And so to... That's why they were doing it?

Yeah, and then Russia started doing it. No. Yeah. And then one of the... It's like throwing dynamite into the river. It's like fishing with dynamite, yeah. Yeah, fishing with dynamite. Oh my God, that's so crazy.

Which is crazy on multiple levels. A, you could accidentally provoke a nuclear conflict with another party that doesn't know what you're doing. B, you're, you know, you're picking a fight with a more intelligence. superior species right which is probably not going to work out great for anybody they probably couldn't believe we were using nukes in the sky these fucking idiots nuked some of our spaceships and the ocean yeah we nuked the ocean a ton of time and there's a ton of uapactivity in the ocean right that's something that

Tim Burchett recently talked about did you see that yeah yeah yeah I mean I've I've talked off the record with admirals and subcommanders and been told that these These giant football-sized crafts that were seen over Vanderberg, for example, have been seen under the ocean. Whoa. Moving at crazy speeds, tracked by our subs. Yeah, they said there was one story of one that was the size of a football field that was going 500 knots. Yeah. Underwater with no ripples.

Yeah. So it starts to make you think, like, not only was Spielberg tipped off early on, but maybe James Cameron was, too. Maybe the abyss is a lot closer to reality than we ever thought. Well, there was always stories about things coming from the ocean. And there was always stories of people that lived in like the Pacific, like on the coast, of seeing things come out of the ocean, particularly somewhere around San Diego. There's always stories around San Diego. Congressman Carson, Andre Carson, who's on the House Intelligence Committee and on the House Committee for the CIA, he goes on the record in the film saying that these UAP that come out of the ocean are otherworldly things. He says they are not man-made aircraft.

They are not rockets. These are otherworldly things, he says. And that's a significant, that was a significant moment for me when he went on the record and said that. And I think it's going back to the nuclear stuff, it's scary to think that anyone thought it was a good idea to intentionally take down the aircraft of a more intelligent species. Yeah. It seems like a very foolish decision. Well, if that's true. Yeah.

I know that there was a lot of high altitude nuclear bomb testing for whatever. reason. There was that Operation Midnight Prime. Is that what it was? No, Starfish Prime, where they were blowing holes through the Van Allen radiation belts. They were just launching nuclear bombs into space. Well, I'll tell you something that I don't think people know about, but the UAP Task Force, which Jay Stratton ran, they put in place, based on that data of, you know, the connection with nukes. They put together a plan to lure in UAP with nuclear elements. So nuclear aircraft carrier with some nuclear weapons on it. And they had all these data collection systems in place and it worked. Whoa. So they like put out bait. Yeah, without causing, without doing a test.

Just the fact that they had nuclear weapons. Wow. Wow. Wow. It attracted. And. And they caught a lot of data on it. Whoa. And, you know, we shouldn't think that that was the only time they did that. Well, I would imagine, you know, they probably saw the testing, the stupid shit we did in the ocean. Yeah. The fact that, like, we were talking about this last night.

John Wayne did a terrible movie called Gingas Khan. I don't know if you ever saw it. Yeah, yeah, I saw it. It's one of the worst movies of all time. And that's what killed him. That movie killed him. He got cancer from that movie. And so did almost, like, I think it was like close to 100 people on the set, some very

large number of people on the set got cancer. Because they did this all downwind from where the government was detonating nuclear bombs. It filmed it all in Nevada in the desert. Horrible. Horrible. So like, they blew up. I'm sure you've seen the video of the, where it shows, like, a time

lapse of all the nuclear tests over the years. And you just go, yo, what are you doing? What are you doing in Nevada? Nevada just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And if I was from another planet, I'd be like, that's when I would start going, oh, my God, these idiots, not only do they have it, but they're just blowing

them up in the ocean. Yeah. No consideration for the fish, the whales, the dolphins, whatever the fuck happens to be there when they drop that thing down. Like, they're clearly irresponsible. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's concerning.

An analogy that multiple people actually use with me, they said, put yourself in the shoes of advanced non-human intelligence species. Here's the analogy. Imagine you're a zookeeper, and you see this gorilla in a cage, and you love this. gorilla. It's sweet. You watch it evolve over the years. You see it communicate. It waves to you, you know. You have no issue with this gorilla. You don't wish it any harm. But what happens if one day you come in and the other security guards say, hey, last night the gorilla got out of his cage, walked around the park, was playing with the gun cabinet, and then he went back in his cage.

You're like, all right, that's concerning. Let me keep an eye on this, right? And then what happens if, you know, a month later you come in and they're like, hey, the gorilla, this time he got in the gun cage. He was playing with the gun, and then he went back in his cage with the gun. What do we do here, right? Well, it's even worse than that. So it's like, we'll take the gun out of his hand, we'll put it back, we'll change the locking on stuff, right?

But then what happens if it evolves to a place where, sometime later, you come out of your house on a Sunday, you're not even going to work, you got your daughter's hand in your hand, and the gorilla's standing on your front lawn with a shotgun? Then you've got to make a choice really quick, right? Like, do I just take this thing out? Or do I try to communicate with it and risk my daughter getting shot?

And this analogy has been used with me multiple times to describe the dynamic we have with non-human intelligent life and the situation we're barreling towards. Yeah. It would almost be like you went to the cage and the grill was welding. The grill's got gauze on. He's making a bore. He's putting together a shotgun. He's figuring out dynamite on his own. Yeah, that would be the real issue.

Like, oh, my God, they figured out guns. Because the thing is, we figured it out. It's not like somebody gave it to us. You know, look, a couple of people in the film revealed. that some of the UAP activity we see is non-human intelligent life but some of it is reverse engineered craft from our program, the legacy program

and some from adversaries. So I personally think we have cracked this technology a lot more than people realize. I don't think you spend over a trillion dollars and have thousands of people working on a deeply hidden program every year for 80 years and not make progress.

Yeah, God, I would love to know what it is that they've done. and whether the Tic Tac is one of ours. I don't think it is. No? No. I talked to everybody who actually ran the investigation of the Tick-Tac from various agencies and to the pilots. No one thinks it's man-made.

And also, if it was man-made, that would mean that someone cracked a new energy source that far back, which is like 20 years at this point. And has never used it to benefit our country or another. country to solve the energy crisis to make a superior craft that we've seen used it's just it's just hard to believe that no one would use that to like fuel their economy i mean it'd be it'd be like a total you know right start of everything if you had that technology right yeah that's interesting right i mean the craft with that that tic-tac was going from sea level to 80,000 feet which is space and hovering at in space going back down, hovering at sea level, and doing this for hours.

We don't have anything. One of the scientists who was involved in one of the UAP programs for the government in my film does the math and says the energy required is the electrical output of the entire United States for, I think it's a week, some stupid amount of energy required. I think it's even more than a week. But, yeah, I remember I'm saying that. It's bonkers. And that's just the trip up. Yeah. Yeah.

And they were doing that all day. All day. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. Right. If they had that in 2004, which is the Tick-Tac incident, you would think there would be some just insane progress. Yeah, yeah. So if it's not ours, what is the predominant theory of what they are?

The predominant theory is that they is multiple species. And there's no one answer. Everyone I talk to who has real visibility to the crash retrieval program says the non-human bodies that have been recognized. covered in some of these crafts all look different there there are multiple species the universe is full of life how many different species i've heard of at least four body types that were recovered so all i've heard of is the grays which is like the close encounters of the third kind ones the nordics which is the also known as like the tall whites right that the same thing for people go yeah and then there is uh the reptilians people talk about reptilians being the scariest one no one's ever used that word with me to be

Really? Yeah. And then there's mantis. There's ones that are like insect-like. I've heard people say that, yeah. I haven't heard of any more than that. Yeah. Well, I've also heard multiple military people talk about little beings that almost look like ET little bots that don't seem sentient that seem like they're almost like a robot?

Yeah, like a robot almost, yeah. some artificial creation maybe yeah maybe you would imagine them if you get to genetic engineering and and when there's cyborgs and you integrate technology with this genetic engineering you're going to be able to create like workers yeah like little that's what many people have thought the grays are like there's small grays that are they're more in like a workforce capacity i've heard that they just do the bidding of the taller grays which seem to be more intelligent just heard that you know one of the one of The, um, one of the really interesting things is that there's no one answer, right? Right.

Some, some non-human intelligent life that's here might, might have benign intentions and some might have bad intentions. Right. We don't know. Um, the, the other, the other reason I am extremely convinced that this situation is entirely real is the access I got when making the film was really at an unprecedented level. Like I, I got very close with the leadership of the Senate. and the Senate Armed Services Committee, they were introducing me to people. They were opening doors for me. And some of the people that I met through them were actually involved in recovery programs and we're going to do interviews and then ultimately decided not to and that

they thought it would cost them their lives. Two people used the same words with me actually. It was very interesting. Two people used the words after careful. consideration, I've decided I would be forfeiting my life if I participated on camera in your film. The word forfeiting, which I'd never heard anyone use in that kind of a context, right? So put yourself my shoes. Like, I'm a normal guy from Jersey making a movie about something I'm interested in. The last thing I want to hear is something like that, you know? That's the most sure way to get people to keep secrets. Oh, yeah. So I, of course, was like, that's shocking and disappointed here. Obviously, we should stop talking. I don't want

in this movie. I do not want that on my conscience, but it also was another sign that how real all this is. Without naming any names, is there anything that you couldn't talk about in the film that you could tell us without like quoting anybody or pinning it on anybody? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff I learned off the record. Hopefully it all comes out and people can legally talk about it at some point, but can you talk about it without? I know there's been multiple contact events.

Like straight-up, yeah, like straight-up contact events. One of them is revealed in the film, actually, but there are more. There was this several people in my film talk about an event that happened at Hallam and Air Force Base where two non-human crafts approached the base, one landed, beings walked out and interacted with Air Force officials and CIA officials. And a couple people go on the record talking about that in the film. But there have been other events I've been told. How are those beings described? they were described as tall slender humanoid and the um another thing that i heard that gave me chills

was that uh someone involved with a a recovery um interacted with a non-human being that was dying and heard thoughts in his head that said you humans don't know your fault potential. And that was said to me by a very senior, older guy from the intelligence community. And I thought that was pretty incredible. Also, just the extent to which the legacy program is real. It's not, this isn't like 50 guys, you know, sitting in a quiet, dark room. You're talking about a massive program with thousands of people going to work every day and dealing with this. And to me, that is mind-blowing, you know? Yeah.

You know, the guy, you know, the guy next to you at the pizza place, you know, on a Saturday night might be working on this during the day, you know? Right. The guy who, you know, the other father at your kid's like, you know, literally a game. Yeah. This is what he deals with, right? The fact that that is a thing. And, you know, we had a similar dynamic for the Manhattan Project. There were all these people working on it and they kept it secret, right?

And their neighbors and friends didn't know. But this is that on steroids. So, you know, after the Manhattan Project, which had a budget in the billions, this situation arose. and it had to be even more secret than the Manhattan Project because the Manhattan Project, we found out in hindsight, leaked, right? There were moles. Right.

So we needed to make this even more secret and give it more money and more resources and more, you know, counterintel. And more threats. Which is counterintel, yeah. Yeah, I mean, threats, if you reveal those secrets. But it's like more, the more of this stuff gets discussed, the more I go back to what Lazar said.

Because Lazar is describing from the 1980s, is exactly what these people are saying now. They've had these things. They've been trying to figure them out. They've been working on them. At least in the 1980s, they hadn't totally cracked it yet. But they did know how to operate them

and that they would do these tests. But everything was so compartmentalized. He said he wasn't allowed to talk to the metallurgists. There was different people that were assigned to it. What they were assigned to do was to try to figure out how the propulsion system worked. And then there was other people. people that were assigned to try to figure out how the metallurgy was formed.

Because whatever it was seemed like it was 3D printed. It didn't have any seams. Yeah. And when he talks about it, it sounds exactly like what people are talking about today, which is really bananas. Yeah. Because this is late 1980s, and he's the first guy to crack through with this stuff. Yeah.

Everything is so in that secret program, everything is so siloed out where you could have one team of defense contractors who are working on one thing. They're not even told it's from an alien spacecraft. They're just told, here's the thing. It might be Russia. It might be China. Tell us how it works. Right.

And they're just kept in a little bubble. And one of the issues now is that everything's become so overclassified and so siloed that it's actually hurting progress. And that's a lot of the scientists in my film are voicing that. And one of the other things I learned recently that isn't in the film, Jay Stratton, who ran the U.S. task force, he told me that during, during that time, he had started a talk with one of the senior scientists at Lockheed, who was frustrated by how overclassified everything was. It made them, it even made it hard for the defense contractors to get the right manpower and brains on it, because not everyone can be cleared to do the work, right?

There's all these, like, red tape hurdles to progress, right? Right. And so they had made a plan to move one of the crafts that had been recovered that was in Lockheed's possession into the possession of the UAP Task Force. And then the task force was going to be able to put more brain power towards it. And then the head of science and technology at the CIA shut it down in the middle of the transfer. They had actually secured a hanger on a military base and prepped it to be a classified hanger that would hold this craft. And they were stopped. So the issue of what were classification. Did they know what happened after that? Yeah, the CIA just shut, the CIA shut the, shut the whole transaction down and the craft stayed in Lockheed's possession. And then that particular leader within Lockheed died about two years later. So the effort kind of stopped. Yeah.

The overclassification is definitely a hurdle for this. And our competitors don't necessarily have that. Like she, you know, there's no free will in China. She can just be like, hey, you're the smartest guy graduating your class. You're going to go work for the nation on this, you know? Right. And here, the problem is no one knows it's real. One of the things I hope the film changes is it makes the scientific community know that this is a valid area of inquiry.

This is real. It's a real situation. And there's a ton of problems for the next generation of engineers and scientists to solve, you know? And so hopefully it inspires them and helps us make progress because there's a lot of progress. be made here. Well, it certainly seems like it, but it's like how one of the things that you guys propose in the film that I think maybe the only way forward

is some sort of a mass amnesty to all these people that did lie to Congress and probably misappropriated funds and maybe I get stolen a little bit here and there. If that doesn't happen, no one is going to push to make this public. No one's

going to push for like actual full disclosure because it leaves them too exposed. And if they do have the of power that they must have to be running an organization of thousands of people working on something with unbelievable amounts of money being transferred to these programs. They don't want to let that go. Yeah. Like this is like it's a honey pot that they're drawing from, right?

And they're probably still taking too much or it's, there's no oversight. It's still, you're still lying in Congress. And you'd have to, you'd have to have some national security amnesty program saying, look, In the interest of national security, it's critically important that we get all of our best people working on this. The only way we're ever going to really do that is to completely reveal that this is actually really happening. This is real crafts from somewhere or something.

We have them. We'll tell you where we have them. And let's, I think right now people wouldn't even freak out because I would think that people would freak out if there was some. sort of official narrative of disclosure, but that's sort of been breached, right? The New York Times breached that in 2017. I think this film is that. I mean, this

is 34 incredible people putting their reputation, the name on the line, which I honestly show, I think it's more stronger evidence than any video or photo. These days, you could put a 4K video of a giant craft over Vanderberg, and half the human population will say it's AI, or creating some visual

effects program, but someone of note putting their name and reputation on the line, their career on the line, the rest of their lives on the line, to say, this is what I know to be true. To me, that's the greatest evidence that exists. But I do think, to your point, amnesty is something that's going to have to be figured out. Because while it's hard for anyone to accept letting people off the hook for wrongdoings, right? It does seem like it's in the best interest of the bigger picture.

Because these people just aren't good. They have no incentive to come forward with what they've learned. And so to quote Ruby on the film, he says, look, this is not a endeavor to go and punish anyone, but we need to know what they learned. Right. And I think he's totally dead on. And, you know. Is he in favor of some sort of an amnesty program as well? Yeah, he says, he says on camera in the film, he's like, I'm not, I'm not trying to punish anyone.

I need to know what they learned because taxpayers paid for this and it's in our interest to know what's going on. But the other thing that's needed is real whistleblower protection, not the whistleblower protection that's been passed so far, like much stronger legal protections so that people like, you know, like the folks I talk to, the special forces guys I talked to were going to come forward and then decided they thought to be forfeiting their lives. You've got to change that set of circumstances. You've got to make those people feel like that's not going to happen to them. Right. And what I think ultimately is going to have to happen, and I wouldn't be surprised, man, if it happens soon after the film comes out, I think a sitting president has to step to the microphone and say, definitively, humanity is not alone in the universe, we have recovered technology of non-human origin, so have other nations. There is a high-stakes secret Cold War race to reverse engine this technology. We need to win this race, and the U.S. intends to lead in this new chapter.

I think that needs to happen, like a level set of basic facts. and I really do think it will happen. Well, if that is going to happen, I think Trump might be the only guy that's willing to do something. I think it's very likely that he does that. I know that he is aware of the film. I know he's aware of what people in his administration say.

Has he watched it? Do you know that? He has not watched the film. But I know he's very aware of it. And I know that they are discussing internally how they're going to react to the film publicly. And I also know that he has recently, very recently tasked Tulsi Gabbert with getting to the bottom of the situation and finding out for him what he needs to know that he doesn't know. Really?

Yeah. And as Rubio said in the film, Rubio says on camera, on the record on the film, that this has been kept from sitting presidents. And he goes into detail on how that's been done and how it's the career bureaucrats in certain elements of the government that control this information and just. just wait presidents out and don't feel like they have a need to know right well there were some people that tried to find information out in the beginning of the trump administration who was it there was someone that talked about it on record and said he was told that every turn that you don't have the clearance yeah yeah but here's the thing trump actually found out about the base facts in his last presidency and was contemplating stepping to the microphone then what base facts so

So Jay Stratton who, you know, ran the task force, he says on camera in my film that he, he briefed, he, that Manusian, the Secretary of Treasury, asked for a briefing on the lay of the land because Trump asked him to get the briefing. And Trump had already known that the base facts, that, that, that were not alone in the universe, that, that there's been recovery of crash craft, right? He knew those base facts, and he told Mnuchin that he was thinking about going public. And so Mnuchin reached out to Stratton to get a briefing. And he told Stratton that the reason he wanted the briefing is because he needed to be able to evaluate what the impact would be to the economy if the president decided to step to the mic and tell the world we're not alone. Stratton tells a story on camera in the film. And I've heard a lot more about it off camera. So we know Trump contemplated doing this already.

Now I think the release of this film and Rubio's involvement, puts enough on the table that it makes it easier for him to do. I think they would have to have some sort of a plan in place if they were going to say that, right? Like the amnesty plan, the idea behind it would have to be in place. Or at least grab control the situation and say that this is real in the U.S. intends to lead the way because the other factor that the White House has to keep in mind is you don't want she or Putin being the guy to do that. Right. You don't want them to have that moment, right?

Right. You know, something I always think about with regards with regards to that moment of a president stepping to the mic, when we entered the space race, Kennedy gave that big famous speech, right? He was like, we're going to lead in space technology, like, you know, space technology, like nuclear technology has no conscious of its own. It's up to man to use it for good or bad. And we're going to make sure it's used for the betterment of all mankind. And we're going to lead the way. That was his whole rallying speech, right? And it made the whole scientific community be like, we're going to help U.S.

win, like, you know, rah, rah, right? I think that's needed in this race. Like, we need all the support of the scientific community, of academia, the kids coming out of MIT. We need them putting their brain power towards this. And I think the White House knows that. And it's also the greatest, that's the greatest TV moment a leader could have in the history of humanity. How much do you think Elon knows? Look, I've seen him obviously talk to you about it. I think he knows a lot. Yeah, me too. I don't think you get the contracts and the clearances you need to operate in space without

some horse trading. Yeah, when I went to SpaceX, I'm like, motherfucker, you know everything. There's no way you're launching these fucking things into space without them keying you in on exactly what's going on. He's just sly about it. Well, I did it. He goes, well, if they're all aliens, are certainly all subtle. That's what he says.

Like, are they really? I don't know, man. I think it's impossible to operate in space like he does and not be aware of everything. And also at the level he operates clearance-wise. I held a secret screening at the National Space Symposium earlier this year, which is the Super Bowl of the space industry. It's like 60 people, heavy hitters from the space industry. We didn't promote it or publicize it at all.

But there were a dozen guys from SpaceX there. And they all seem very aware of everything revealed in the film. Yeah. I'm positive. Yeah. And he's my friend, and he won't tell me. He's a legend. He keeps a lid on it.

He's a legend. But how would he not know if it is? And, you know, some people have told me he knows that know he knows them things. So whatever. But the point is, people are good at keeping secrets. Yeah. That's real. 100%.

Even people that aren't notoriously good at keeping secrets. Yeah. They're good at keeping secrets when they have to be. Do you think, do you think if you put yourself, you've interviewed Trump, do you see him doing that? stepping to the mic and telling us the truth. Someone talks to him about it and convinces him it's a great idea. Like if I had an hour with him. I mean, it's literally the single, in my opinion, the single greatest moment a leader could have in the history of the world.

If he could be the guy that blows the lid off of it, that would definitely help with his legacy too, which I think would be a good way to convince him. You know, and also that the people would be excited about it. Yeah. You know, it's just, I think there's probably a lot of forces that we're not totally aware of that would fight very hard to keep this from being revealed. You know, there's a lot of people whose reputations would probably be in jeopardy. A lot of people that may never get trusted again, even if they get amnesty, if there's any evidence of impropriety, any evidence of embezzlement, which I can't imagine there's not some fucking funny money flying around here and there. air and it just no oversight come on guys like oh you're above board totally with no oversight at all and a trillion dollars fuck off yeah yeah i mean i do think i've come to understand

that he is borderline enraged at how much has been hidden from the white house so that alone might motivate him to just step up and and say the truth it's also the most bipartisan issue of our time so I'll talk to him about it have support yeah you can give it a crack I'll talk to it just so many of the things to talk about you get a Nobel Peace Prize for that Joe no I don't want one of those I'll never show up give it to me you can have an empty stage you know I think I really I'm excited to see what happens on the other side of this release because I think it's gonna I think it's going to awaken the public I do think they're going to make a ton of demand on on elected leaders and representatives to go take this more seriously and it's going to put

pressure on the White House people have never seen someone like Ruby step up and say what he says in the film, you know. The other thing about Rubio, you got to remember, he's also the national security advisor. And that's never happened in the history of the United States other than Henry Kissinger for two years. This guy's in a very powerful position, very influential position, and aware of a lot more than he was even when he was on the Senate, Telling's Committee, he's a senator. Interesting.

And also motivated and fascinated by it. So he's engaged in the information. Totally. Oh, it's. what do you find like what do you think if you could choose what happens after maybe like this comes out

what would you like to say some mass congressional hearings and a real conversation about amnesty because I think it's the only way to get to the bottom of things because otherwise I think you're going to have every fucking possible legal and hierarchical

hierarchical whatever the word is hurdle like at every step everyone's going to block your access to information. They're going to lie. They're going to burn records. They're going to hide things. They're not going to tell you where anything is. People get assassinated. There'll be whistleblowers. They'll be in grave danger. I think there's too much money involved. And you've got to think about it like a criminal organization because if you turn them into criminals, they're going to act like criminals. If you say, hey, you might go to jail for the rest of your fucking life because

you lied to Congress and now we know you did. And, you know, there's $250 million that your company got 300 million dollars this company got over the course of X amount of years and we know we know that you got you're in trouble like we're going to put you in jail and then if that if you make them criminals they're going to act like criminals I think you're dealing with people that have enormous amounts of money and probably they make weapons they probably have the most respect for life it's you know if there's a real discussion where it makes it look like it's their idea as well yeah that they have this obligation to the American people, they were held under secrecy for so long, but now through this administration and through this openness that we've all decided through the scientific community, we're going to release this shit. I think I agree with you. And that could change the world. The other thing to remember is these aren't villains.

They're not like, this isn't some like dark group of evil people. They're normal people that were given a job to do and then did it, right? And they weren't the decision makers. And they're navigating a situation that is obviously. unprecedented and there's no playbook for right so they think they're doing the right thing right and and i think that's important to remember you know um do you know the put-off thing it's in your documentary with um the bush story bush senior he talked about it on the podcast that is such a fascinating story it's amazing back then early right after 9-11 yeah Herbert

Walker no it was Herbert Walker I believe no the panel was the panel was uh it was George Bush Jr it was W yeah yeah Oh, I thought it was Bush Senior. Yeah, no, it was right after 9-11. Oh, okay. So during that time, so I'm confused. So, but imagine, so let's imagine 2001, where would we be 24 years later if we had real disclosure from the White House? So for people that didn't see the documentary yet or watch the podcast with me and how put off, what he said was it was him and a bunch of other thought leaders.

And they were all brought together with a numerical value for pros and cons related to discontes. So basically they said to them, we have acquired crafts that are not of this world and we have biological entities that are not of this world. These are real. We want to know if we disclose to the general public that alien life is real. What would be the negative impacts on our society, on our government, on our religion, economy, every element of society? And they put a numerical value to everything. And overwhelmingly, all the people asked had way. more con than pro.

Yeah, they determined it was a bad idea. Yeah, which is so wild. Wripped the Band-Aid off kids. Over a couple days where a bunch of people got together and decided the fate of humanity. Isn't that fascinating? It's crazy. It was the fate. Well, at least, I don't think really the fate.

I think what it did was just retard everything. It just slowed the growth of access to this. And I really give the New York Times a lot of credit because I think publishing in 2017 that that piece that they did on the front page was so huge because the New York Times is arguably the most respected newspaper in the world and for them to address it like it's a real issue and like these pilots are seeing these things, they're behaving in ways that don't make any sense with propulsion that we do not understand and these are real and this is New York Times. Like that was so many people texted me after that and called me after that because they

know that I'm a UFO nut and they're like, hey man, this might be real like seriously. people that I'm friends with and I'm like I think it's real yeah there's something there yeah and it's helped us get us where we are now yes I don't think the mainstream media support I'm getting from for this film right now I don't think it would have happened if it wasn't for that no I think the times article was the that that burst the membrane and allowed more data to come it's just more rational discourse about it because I think before then it was just so dismissed and so ridiculed and you just didn't want to be attached to it because you were a fool. You'd have to be a fool to be considering it.

But the Times still is one of those legacy media outlets that still hedges their bets. Like that article, you know, the original headline, I think, was we're not alone in the universe. And they changed it to, you know, I think it was like black projects and hidden money or something like that. Yeah. You know, they had to dial it down. Well, because they don't know, right? We might not be alone in the universe. These things might be Chinas.

It's not likely. Well, that's the only thing. if it if we open ourselves to the possibility that these advanced aircraft penetrating our nuclear weapons sites and our military bases are China that's fucking terrifying and that should be the biggest issue of our time hands down because we know the intention of the chinese communist party it's not good right they're not our friends they're adversaries and you know she has made public statements about wanting to replace the united states at the top of the world order like it's a stated goal right so if it is China, even the possibility that they have some of these crafts alongside not human crafts existing, right? Yes. Even that possibility, it requires the U.S. government to take this so much more serious. Here's an analogy that General Jim Clapper made to me. He was the director of National Intelligence. He's in the film.

He's like, before 9-11, we didn't put the right amount of money towards counterterrorism. And we weren't properly sharing information in intelligence community. then this horrible thing happened and the public was outraged and said we got to throw money and resources at counterterrorism every elected representative was beaten that drum we started the director of national intelligence position

so that the agencies would all share information and you would minimize the chance of intelligence gaps right and we threw tons of appropriated funds towards counterterrorism we now spend more money on counterterrorism than we even need to and his point was

he hopes it doesn't take something bad happening on this front like China cracking this technology in a way we haven't and then using it against us or non-human intelligent life taking an action that isn't favorable to us before we then throw resources towards it and it's essentially the same thing rubio said they they think we need to get ahead of this problem not wait for it to happen and then react to it well of course i mean it would be a horrible loss both in terms of our our national pride of being the innovators and being at the head of technology.

If China came out and said, we've cracked this, we have UFOs that we back-engineered, and now we can fly them around, and we can go visit other solar systems. And we've created a new energy source. We're going to save the planet. Yeah. We would be, we would look like fools. And if we realized that there would have been a bunch of people that were working on this stuff the whole time, but they had been handcuffed by all the secrecy and that this has all been done with defense.

contracts and lying to Congress, it'd be a fucking national disaster. We would look completely incompetent. I really legitimately think a lot of the people my film stepped up because they don't want to be a left hole in the bag and have people saying, why didn't you say something soon? Right. I really think this is- Because it's that close. Cover your butt because it's that close. So when people talk about the successful back engineering of these things, what are they

saying? Are they saying that they can fly around Earth? Are they saying they can go outside of Earth's atmosphere and go into deep space with these things? Like what have they said we are currently able to do with these back engineered crafts that we've supposedly made ourselves? People that I can attribute the statement to that were very credible sources told me that some of the UAP activity in space specifically is reverse engineered technology. Okay. Does that mean in space in low Earth orbit, or does that mean traveling through the solar system? What was implied to me was traveling through the solar system. Jeez.

Yeah. So are these... Here's another thing someone, that same person said to me, by the way. Yes. Before I forget, that their belief is that the technology we have would not be pulled out even to stop a world. World War. It would not, those cards would not be shown until moments before, like, a nuclear war situation. So they wouldn't pull it out to stop like any of the wars we've experienced in the last,

you know, since World War II. They wouldn't, you know, regardless of how many. It has to get to nine. It has to get to a level where there's no, there's no other option. Wow. Because it's show your cards. Now, when they say that they've traveled through the solar system, is it? this biological human beings or are these drone crafts like what are they saying i i never got any of that

i never got any of that all i was told is there's some of the some of the uapes that are seen that have been seen by our astronauts on space missions are non-human intelligent life and some are reverse engineer craft that's what i was told but we don't know whether there's a person inside of them i don't if they are reverse engineer and they are ours and we figured out how to make our own that i don't know yeah i need to know that Yeah. That's kind of important. Yeah, there's a lot.

Is there fucking some dude named Bob flying through space, some top gun guy that they've given the task of traveling to Venus real quick? Wouldn't surprise me. You know, one of the other things that, you know, we were talking about Clapper and Ruby and what they said about China, something else that they both said, despite these guys being completely ideologically opposed, right? Like they have nothing else in common. They both spoke to how we as a species, not just our country, but an entire human species, is held back by this, there's something in the fact that there's something in the human psyche that says I can't prepare for or wrap my head around something I haven't experienced yet. Right. And how that leads to strategic surprise because you're not preparing for something that can ultimately end up happening. And Rubio makes great examples.

He says, you know, we didn't think the Japanese could torpedo us at Pearl Harbor until they figured it out. And they did, right? We didn't think that terrorists were going to come here and learn how to fly commercial airplanes and use them in a terror attack until they did. And with this, he's like, we don't want strategic surprise to lead to a disaster on this front. We need to be ahead of it. And he very powerfully says that, you know, often strategic surprise changes the course of human history. So this is the question. If we have craft that we can travel through the source, we meaning someone in the United States of America, does China, do they have the same ability?

right now. Is there an understanding of where they're at in the race versus us? Everyone who talked about the race with China was extremely concerned about how close they were. And multiple people talked about how

these incursions over our sensitive bases and nukes could in fact be reverse engineered Chinese craft. So it is a scary situation. I mean, look, you can ask the average person in the common sense question. Knowing what you know about the dynamic between China and the United States, Would you be okay if they were the only country that had a nuclear weapon?

The answer is no, right? Right. So would you want them to be the only country that has technology more powerful than a nuclear weapon that could be weaponized in a way that's more destructive than a nuclear weapon? No. But what technology do they have other than the ability to travel? What other observed technology do they have? Well, if you weaponize this technology, like let's just take something like the Tic Tac. imagine you could

imagine you could travel in something like that and put a nuclear weapon in there right you would instantate you would have a nuclear weapon that goes off in less than a second on the other side of the world it's completely undetectable

to any sensor system you can't react to it you know bad news also these these vehicles display the ability to be transmedium so you could put a nuke

through any environment it's very scary well so transmedium does that mean I know that it can go in the air and in the water, but does that mean it can go through actual physical objects? Yeah. So this is one of the things in one of the crazier Jacques Valet stories

that I've read a few of his books. And one of the more bizarre ones, this woman found this object on her property, some large property. Oh, I want to say it's Nevada. I forget where it was. California, Nevada. But anyway, this egg-shaped large object.

and that as it took off, it flew through the trees. She said it didn't disturb the trees. It just went right through them. Yeah. So, I mean, look, one of those, if you remember in the film, there's this great scene where Hal Poodoff and Eric Davis were two of the senior scientists involved with the government UAP programs, they break down how they figured out how these craft work and how they are warping space time in a localized area.

And they're basically creating a bubble that the craft operates in. And the bubble separates the craft from the environment around it. the environment becomes irrelevant. So it can move through physical space, could move from air to space to the water, frictionless, there's no splash. Like the environment outside of the bubble is irrelevant. They're creating their own space time, essentially.

They're warping space time and creating a bubble around the craft. And when you start to think about how that could be weaponized, it's really terrifying. And what is he saying that they're using? Like how are they... He's saying that they're creating an immense amount of energy in this localized area to create the bubble. And there's two prevailing thoughts

on how the energy is created. One is they're tapping into so-called zero-point energy, which has only been theorized at this point by humans, right? Or they're using quantum entanglement to pull energy from a far-off source to the local area, the bubble. And that's what they've figured out. And do they have any knowledge of these generators

or how they're acquiring this amount of power, what they're using? How are they harnessing zero point energy? No, no, no. But if we've got one and we've back engineered it successfully, clearly someone must know. Yeah. So someone knows. Look, Hal and Eric got very close with the scientists in the legacy program, and we're sharing information, and that got shut down by the CIA.

So before it got shut down, they learned a lot about what we've been doing secretly and what we've been figuring out. geez so it's the fucking CIA well look the film the film reveals that the legacy program the craft retrieval reverse engineering program

it has several elements it's elements of the Air Force it's elements of the Department of Energy it's elements of the CIA and its defense contractors and the CIA is the quarterback of the whole thing the Air Force is used for

recovery like field work essentially they have the teams that can you know react fast and go to a site and collect materials and classify it and they have the aircraft to bring it back to a base. The defense contractors have the technology know-how and the engineering skills to do the reverse engineering. The Department of Energy has laws that can be used to

classify the material outside of, you know, the president's reach and Congress's reach. They also have, you know, people who are experts at anything that gives off a lot of radiation and energy. And then the CIA quarterback still thing, think of them as like operational control. And this is revealed by a number of people in the film and every single source I talked to.

There were a lot of people Joe that I talked to in very senior positions that thought the film was important and the only way to bring the truth out to the public, but they couldn't be on camera. And they guided me, you know, filled in gaps for me, helped me understand the lay of the land. There were some people they told me not to interview. There was a couple of people that were sent to me.

People wanted to trick me into including them in the film because they were crazy people. And I didn't include them. I got tipped off by people. Don't stay clear of that. That's someone's agenda, trying to sink your ship. But, yeah, I had a lot of folks helping. The Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee were extremely supportive. And, you know, I really don't think I would have been able to pull off making the film.

if not for their help. And Rubio, when I started my process, was the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. And he had already learned a lot about what has been hidden from Congress and thought that what I was doing was really the only way to bring it out because none of these people on their own

would go out on a limb by themselves and become subject to ridicule. They didn't want to be the one guy out there saying all this extraordinary stuff, right? Not only because there's this antiquated cultural stigma where they could be made fun of or their reputation would damage, but there's also this,

security system around the deeply hidden Crashersheel program that for years has just targeted anyone who speaks up. And so what I basically put together was a way for them to safely do it and have strength in numbers and be arm in arm with, you know, several doves and other people. And once Rubio leaned into that, I just started getting tremendous support from the Armed Service Committee and the Intelligence Committee. And then Senator Rounds became very helpful behind the scenes. Intelligence officials who worked this topic like Jay Stratton and Lou El Zondo and Hal Poodoff were extremely helpful behind the scenes, opening doors, introducing me to people. And yeah, I think that, I think this is really the only way this is we were going to get

this level of information out by giving people that safety and numbers. And then after this, it's going to require the kind of amnesty we talked about because this is only what they can lawfully disclose. There's so much more. So when it comes to underground or, excuse me, underwater stuff, this is what Tim Burchett was talking about when that person was famously interviewing him and everybody was like, what? You're just walking across the street casually talking about bases where they're coming out of the ocean? Yeah. It's crazy.

What do they think that is? Is that different from what's going on in the sky? No, they think it's the same crafts. So they have a base? More simply put, if you were here with advanced aircraft and you wanted to hide from humanity, the most logical places, the ocean. It's the majority of our planet. We've barely, we've barely studied it. We've barely, we've, we've, one of the admirals in my film says, we've scanned the surface of the moon in more detail than we have the bottom of our oceans. Yeah. It's crazy how much is unexplored, right?

And so it's the most obvious place to hide. There's a lot of activity that happens in the oceans. One of the people I talked to who thought they would be in the film and then decided it was too risky for them was a special forces guy who was involved in a recovery of a craft that was in the ocean and when they were recovering it a giant craft came up next to them like a functioning craft and the helicopter pulled out and they dropped the line and the helicopter took off and the seal was in the water and watched this thing take off. And then he had to be recovered out of the water. That's crazy. And the craft that they were trying to recover. It went down. Yeah, it went down. And did the big ship take it or anything?

They said actually, they actually literally said that. They said it took it and went back down. Yo. Yeah. How big was the big one? They said it was big. Just big. That's the only word they used, to be honest.

Yeah. And the guy was rattled because the guy was in the water. The seal was in the water, hooking a line to this craft. And then when the helicopter pulled out, he said he was in the water. shit in his pants and taking in this extraordinary experience and then was he wearing a vest

I'm sure he's wearing he's like fucking doggy paddling leave him there in the fucking water these guys panic and pull out maybe the UFO would have let you take it all these situations are really bonkers I wonder what would have happened if they were like fuck you we're taking it

you know I what I often wonder is if any of the guys on that shopper snap snap video of this thing you know there's a lot of video that exists that is either classified at a crazy high level or people are just terrified to share you know and that's one of the other things like once we need we need we need a declassification process that's real and sincere and you know rigorously goes through what's there and what can be showed that won't hurt our national security right right and just start being transparent with with the public this this encounter of the seal reminded me of another thing that

i think is really important and speaks to the accountability issue there's a number of military personnel and scientists that have worked for defense contractors who have had and intelligence officials who have had encounters and then end up with biological effects like real issues cancer immune autoimmune issues a number of people have died of cancer after being around these things

and that's a whole other level of accountability you know there's people whose medical bills should have been paid for they shouldn't have been put in those situations you know there's families growing up without a dad because dad encountered a UFO on behalf of the US government and died Jesus

so that's a whole other side of this them getting cancer from being around the object or being around biologics or both the object because these the object because once you understand that these craft are warping space time in a localized area and creating immense amount of energy getting close to it's like getting close to a you know a huge electrical system or you know it's just it's bad right you know that's the Travis Walton story it's a lot of stories yeah but that Travis Walton in particular that's what

you know he said happened he got close to the object and something's And, you know, whether it was an actual, like, targeted attack or whether it was just something, a reaction to him being so close to this energy that he was thrown back, knocked unconscious, gravely hurt, and that they took off. Yeah. I've spoken, I've spoken off the record to some intelligence officials who have managed to actually get the government to take accountability and give them anonymous health injury status, AHA status, which has only gone to victims of. quote unquote, Havana syndrome. And it's a real situation, but not everyone has the relationships or the ability to get escalated to the Secretary of Defense and get that AHA status. The Secretary of Defense has to give you the AHA status. This is going to sound crazy, but is there a particular protocol for dealing with the kind

of cancer that you get from getting in contact with a UFO? The only thing that I know of, I wouldn't call it a protocol, but I do know that there is a couple specific people, doctors who have become a part of the intelligence communities looking into this and they've become the go-to doctors for people having biological effects and they, if you have a relationship with them, if you can get to them, they show up pretty quickly and do the appropriate tests and documentation of it and have the right doctors to send you to. Gary Nolan, who you interviewed, is one of those people. Yeah, Gary Nolan, who's done some groundbreaking research on cancer.

Yeah. Gary... The other guy, I shouldn't say his name, but he used to work for one of the big intelligence agencies that's deeply involved in this. The other thing that Gary has that's really fascinating is, the research on materials, like some of the some of the allegedly retrieved materials from crash sites and how bizarre they are. Yeah, from studying the isotopes.

But the stuff that Gary's gotten into that I find the most mind-malion is he has real classified documentation of encounters that military and intelligence officials have had with UAP and biological effects it's caused. And some of them are crazy, like a Department of Defense official who had a UAP above his house and went out in his backyard and looked up at it. And then the thing zapped him with the directed energy weapon. And he has all of the medical signs of a directed energy attack.

And this is a super senior credible guy who had recently been made aware of the UAP issue. And then he has this experience. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty wild. So what are the effects of a direct energy weapon? Like, what are the consequences? Cancer. That's what he's getting?

Cancer. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Do you know about the Virginia Brazil story? Do you know about the James Fox documentary? Yeah, James. I'm excited to see James' is follow-up.

Yeah, he's got a new one. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a follow up with, I think it's the actual doctor. Yeah. That worked with the patient. So he was at the hospital that night and interacted with the being. Yeah, I'm excited to see that.

So the story is that this police officer, that they found this crash, and the documentary is excellent. If you haven't seen that, folks, it's called Moment of Contact. It's really good. And one of the things is really good about it is the eyewitnesses. When the eyewitnesses returned to the scene of the crime, I'm like, or excuse me, the scene of the crash, I was like, either that guy is an amazing actor. No, it's great.

Or he's really crying because he's remembering this insane moment in his life. Yeah. And there was eyewitnesses that saw a live one of these things, and this police officer found one that was injured, carried it, put it in the car, physically carried it. They brought it to a hospital. That hospital told them, we don't know what to do with this. You've got to take it somewhere else. They took it to a second hospital, and the second hospital, this is the doctor allegedly that examined it. Yeah.

That police officer had a horrific bacterial infection that they could not cure, and he died within weeks. It's horrible. Yeah. It's horrible. There's so many examples of these interactions going bad. But it's also like, you know, imagine you didn't know what a fighter jet was and there was this, you know, giant flame coming out of the back of it and you walk behind it, you're going to be toast, you know? It's not, I don't think it's an intentional thing. I think it's, we're interacting with a technology we don't understand.

And you're getting too close to it. Yeah, we're getting too close to it. Don't go walk up to it. Yeah. If it's floating in the air, that means it's got an insane amount of power that's carrying this fucking. totally two thousand ton thing the other crazy story that um was in so um james fox's movie the phenomenon which uh you know he directed it yeah he's totally responsible for make that movie i was a producer on it with him um but it's all james james a hundred percent made that movie um one of the coolest

stories in that film was the aerial school phenomenon story at the end these kids in zimbabwe at a school and like i think it was 89 or 90 91 something like that maybe it was 94 Around that time, these kids, like, between the ages of, like, 7 and 13 or something like that, they all saw this craft come down during their recess, and they all say they experienced the same thing. They all saw these beings that looked like they were moving in slow motion around the craft, and they saw this craft take off at thousands of miles an hour after. Years later, they're all saying the same thing. The stories didn't change.

They didn't try to make money off this at all. It's a wild story. But now when you look back at that story through what guys like Hal and Eric are revealing about the warp bubble, do you know what would make someone look like they're moving slow if they were inside of a warp bubble next to the craft where time and space is moving differently than outside the craft. That's literally what it would do for the same reasons why the craft in the bubble could just be cruising along. But to us it looks like it's going at these impossible speeds. You're in a different space-time environment. So all these things that people saw at Ariel, you know, in Brazil, they get explained by these reveals that are starting to come out now. And that's, to me, that's wild, seeing how these things all connect, you know?

Yeah, it is crazy. And it's essentially this description of the way these propulsion systems work is essentially the exact same way Lizar was describing it. Yeah. Which is really nuts. that in 1989 he was proposing that there's some sort of a gravity-defying device and that it was using element 115 and then it was radiated and somehow this is creating this gravity drive that just sends it to wherever it wants to be rather than propels it. Yeah. The way he described it is like if you took a bowling ball and you put it in a very soft cushion, it would just push through and that that's what these things do, it just pushes through to wherever it's supposed to be. Yeah.

similar similar the other explanation is like um like a like a ball rolling downhill like a surfboard pointed down riding a wave when did they first start to become aware of underwater activity and when did they first start to suspect that these things were in fact having at least some sort of a base underneath the oceans i don't know the exact first but i do know from people i've talked to that as far back as the 80s wow yeah which is incredible well the crazy thing is that they've really been studying the stuff

and retrieving things like back from Roswell which was 47 they've really been doing this stuff for that long it's it's kind of crazy that they were able to actually keep a lid on it for so long I mean it's not that crazy

when your life's being threatened you know right like and it's kind of got a lid on it right kind of but not really I mean there's been people know about Roswell. Yeah, there's been people leaking over the years information. But I think now we're at a tipping point where, like, I really believe the release of this film is the singular tipping point where you have this many credible high level people saying, yes, this is real.

I mean, even Clapper talking, going on the record saying that UAP activity over Area 51 is real. The biggest conspiracy globally that there's UFOs over Area 51 that 90% of humanity has written off as bullshit, right? Right. Here's the guy who was director of national intelligence and head of. of Air Force intelligence saying, no, that's real. Like, it's like, so I think this tipping point, Rubio, going on the record, second most powerful guy in the world, arguably saying that the presidents are kept out of loop on this

and that defense contractors have taken this over and that even he even says that every now and then advancements made get slipped into commercialized product that some defense contractors make a bunch of money on for their own best interest, not for the benefit of the nation and national security. Like, these are bombs dropped at the most credible level possible. And I think that because we've had all the leaks over the years, it's going to resonate with people.

People are like, oh, shit, all those things that have been slipping out over the years, it's real. And these guys are validating it. And it'll be really interesting to see what's on the other side of that. And the other wild thing, Joe, is when you go down the rabbit hole of the UAP topic with people in the Telton's Community Military, you start learning about adjacent things, you know, that are equally bonkers, like remote viewing, which you've talked a lot about, right? But, you know, I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence that Hal Poodoff, you know, was the guy who created Stargate and ran Stargate, backed by the DoD and the CIA, and also it was deeply involved in the UAP topic for decades, you know. There's a lot of overlap, and the remote viewing topic is fascinating. It's another one of those things where more you learn about it, and you're like, there is a there, it's a real situation, and it's extraordinary. Yeah.

Makes you think how much more is, you know, hidden from us that we have. I definitely want to talk about that, but I want to ask. you were there specifics when they talk about technology that was acquired that was then rolled into no no one no one no one said it on the record I was I was shocked when when Rubio said that on camera when he went there like clearly clearly clearly stating that I mean I think it's a word for word I think he says and every now and then an advance ticket's made and gets commercialized and some companies making a ton of money on it for their own interest but is there any

suspicions when you yeah no I've heard I've heard I've heard I've heard I've heard suspicions. Like what? Like, you know, how it could, has impacted, uh, hypersonic missiles. I've heard things about, you know, early days of fiber optics. I've heard things about night vision. Um, but, you know, no one, no one would go on the record to say something definitive. The, the thing people were comfortable saying in Rubia said is that defense contractors have been in control of this. Over the decades, Congressional oversight has, you know, Congress has lost congressional oversight, and essentially these programs are just moving along and keeping it to themselves. And when you keep something to yourself, it's easy to slip a win into your

commercialized side of your business, you know? Right. I would like to know what that is, though. Me too. That would be really interesting. Do you know the- And who knows, by the way, if it's even public. It might be something that they made. Right. That isn't public that they're using to get bigger contracts. Right. Right. In exchange for shutting up about it. Right. Right. Of course. Why wouldn't you? Let's go deep. Put that fucking chinfoil hat on securely. Do you know about the conspiracy about Bell Laboratory in New Jersey?

Yeah, I've heard a lot about that. The tinfoil hat thing is a good reminder. That has been, that one of the things I learned is that the stigma around this was created by the people covering this up. So in the early 50s, late 40s, the CIA, when they took control of this, they were like, we got to make sure people don't ask about this. How do we do that? It's just a psychological operation. Like, make people think they're crazy. Make people think they're wacko.

Make tinfoil hat chokes. And then that gets, you know, built into our culture and different generations grow up thinking, oh, you're a nut if you talk about this. It'd be embarrassing. You'd have your career ruined. And now here we are where, like, you know, people giggle when you bring up this serious issue, right? And still. Yeah, and it's been used against people inside a government.

So here's a good story. This is, uh, yeah. Yeah, I'll just tell you. So Jay Stratton told me about an event that happened on the military base that is top gun, the top gun base, where a craft came down, I don't know exactly how high it was, whether it was in the air or in space, but came down from very high, dropped to above the tarmac in front of the base commander and his number two. And they documented it with video recording. And this was when Jay was running the UAP Task Force. And they reached out to him and saying they wanted to report this. and Jay went, Jay went and talked to them in person, and they were going to do an, these are super senior guys that were going to do an official on the record testimony about what they saw with their own eyes.

And Jay told a senior guy in Naval Intelligence, who he thought was on the right side of history, and before these guys could come in and testify, the Naval Intelligence official, who was actually part of the cover up, sent these guys tinfoil hats. and told them that's what they'd be wearing the rest of their lives if they spoke up. Wow. And the guys reached out to Jay and said, we're not providing the evidence. We're not going to talk about this. Let's pretend it never happened. So, you know, that kind of stuff really holds back because it's very easy to deter our military. Somebody has put their, devoted their whole life to climbing the ladder in the military.

Yeah. And you're going to tell them that you could just end their career path in an instant. Why would they keep going forward? Yeah, why would they? Makes no sense. I wouldn't. It's the Nissan Black Friday event where you can, wait, wait, wait. Isn't it like a month long now?

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My fucking mouth and maybe tell Jesse Michaels 10 years later That's what a lot of these guys wind up doing They retire and then they start talking I do think that we're going to see more people come out I really I've already started I've started receiving since the trailers have been out there I've started receiving incoming DMs on social media sites

from super senior people where like I look up who they are and I'm like holy shit you know And they're like, hey, we should talk in person sometime. There's some things I want to share. Whoa. And I don't know what's going to come out of that. I haven't done those meetings yet. But I imagine people are going to come out of the woodwork because this stuff is real and it's been hidden so much.

And I know there's some big people coming out next year. Stratton's book is going to be a big thing too. I've actually, I've been working with him on it developing his book and it's going to come out in the spring. Harper Collins is publishing it. And it's fucking bombshell. bonkers. Wow. So much detail.

One of the other things that I didn't include in the film, Joe, that's, I mean, it's bonkers to think about all of the intelligence officials who actually investigated this for the government, like the people involved in ASAP and ATIP and UAP task force, they all started having activity at their homes when they were investigating non-human intelligence life. What kind of activity? Orbs in their houses? Orbs interacting with their family, causing medical issues for family members,

ending up in the hospital due to orb activity. What issues due to orb activity? One of the senior intelligence officials that I spoke to, and I'll let him tell his own story when he's ready. But son got extremely impacted by an orb, black and blue over his whole body, had to go to the hospital, looked like someone took a bat to his chest. I didn't include this in the film, this section, because I feel like when you get into the stuff happening in people's houses, I think it's a bridge too far for a lot of people, and you got to, like, set the table with the base fact first, which is what my film does, and then they can open their minds to these other things. But what I found really interesting is when I would do these interviews with people, and they would all talk about this activity they started having at their houses that, in some cases, cause medical issues. it was all after they started looking into non-human intelligent life.

And their takeaway was that non-human intelligent life was looking into them because they were looking into non-human intelligence life. And they made the analogy of if a Russian spy comes to D.C. to spy on Congress, our intelligence community spies on the Russian spy. And so that was their outlook. And I thought that was really interesting and almost implies like a human level of thinking, you know. Or maybe some attempt to make contact. Yeah. You know, there was a guy that I interviewed at Skinwalker Ranch who lived outside of the ranch, who had an orb experience. And I talked to a few people there that were clearly out of their fucking mind, maybe on meth.

But a few people that seemed pretty credible, and this guy was the most, just a regular guy with a regular job, interesting guy, cool to talk to. He said that he's had a few weird sightings. But the weirdest one was one day in his home, this orb that was like larger than a softball, he said, but he came flying into his house and was in the living room with him and it was interacting with him. And then it flew down the hallway and flew right through the walls. Yeah. But he said it interacted with him. Yeah.

Like it was in front of him, like letting him know that it's there. Some people say almost in a playful way. Yeah. And I've heard about this oral activity in intelligence officials' houses, like, more times than I can remember, countless times. And the journey of this movie, I not only got to know a lot of these intelligence officials very well, but, like, went and spent time with their wives, with their kids, with them together. And when you see, like, a wife completing a husband's sentence, like, they're telling you what they experience together, it's bonkers, man. It's wild. It's like, holy shit this happened, you know.

And then when you hear their kids talk about it separately, and you're like, that's literally word for word. Like, you guys are all, you experience the same thing. You have these different POVs. It's not like the family got together with a coordinated lie. It doesn't feel like that. You tricked the kids into doing it. That seems a little over the top because, like, to what end, right? I didn't even, it's like I put it in the movie, you know?

Yeah. But it's, it's really fascinating. And the orb activity, who knows what it is, man? And it could be another form of the warping of space time in a localized area. Like, once you do that, time and space is different in that bubble. So that could be a much bigger craft inside of a energy ball that we see. We might just, this might be what we see is the orb, right? It might be a transportation device.

There might be a being in there. And this is just what we're seeing is what's on the outside of this warping of space time. Well, that's another thing that one of the eyewitnesses described that was very weird, was a craft. that was small, but then when they got inside of it, it was a size of a football field. Yeah, so that also goes with the Warping of Space Time.

So Hal says in the film, this was something that was shocked at Howell said. I was really shocked. He says, the Warping Space Time and the bubble explains a lot of things that at this point haven't made sense to us. And he says, like, for example,

when a military servicemen goes onto a craft that looks like it's 40 feet, and then when he goes inside, it looks like it's a size of a football field. That makes sense now because from outside the bubble, it's one thing, and inside the bubble it's something else.

Right. And that's wild. Yeah, and I've heard that story a number of time from people who have never talked to each other. Yeah, it's like we have this very simple understanding of objects and of space and the ability to move around in them.

And this kind of spectacular technology I think we kind of have to think about it just like all other spectacular technology. If you were around in the 1400s, you couldn't possibly imagine the concept of a nuclear bomb. It would be impossible or nuclear energy or even a cell phone. Yeah.

Now imagine new breakthroughs happen and now this bubble gets created and we start to figure out how to send things to places through these bubbles and then we realize that what's happening in these bubbles is not what you see on the outside. that it's completely warping which is also one of the

weird questions like why are UFO so blurry? That answers that question because you know Hal says it and Hal says it and I loved when he revealed this because it's like oh that just checks the box makes sense people have trouble taking photos of UAP because they're literally taking a photo through a space time bubble basically

the warping of space time so the analogy would be like you know if you go under the ocean you take a picture of a fish you're going to get better visibility you're in their domain right you're in their environment right but if you go above the ocean right you're now in a different environment and you try taking a photo from above the water it's going to be all distorted and wacky looking because you're taking a photo through a barrier another environment right it's the same

basic logic like try taking a picture of coyfish from above the water you can't do it right and so that's just the simplest answer like that's what they're doing they are warping space time in a localized area, they're creating a barrier between our environment and their environment, and when you try to take a photo through it, it's not great. It's also the reason why radar has trouble getting these things, because the radar detector, a radar detector, the way it works

is, radar is emitted towards an object, it bounces back to the radar detector, and that's how you track where it is, right? But the radar is just going around the bubble, and it's not going back to the radar detector, because it's just going around

the bubble. It's a different environment. And supposedly we can do that now? Well, the interview subjects clearly imply that some of the UAP, not imply, they state that some of the UAP we're seeing might be our reverse engineer technology. Might be. And is there, is there any theories about other potential methods of propulsion rather than just this bubble? Is anything done in a more traditional weather, like, is there levels of these things, like when it comes to the technology? Not that I've heard. Everyone I interviewed that was willing to talk about the technology was convinced this is what they were doing.

That they're all doing a very similar thing. And it was a unifying theory. It explains everything we've ever observed. Like all the performance characteristics we've observed UAP display. And so the theory is that all of these advanced beings from wherever they're from, the various different species of them, that all of them have this particular type of technology. Yeah. Huh. Which if it's the key to interstellar travel, then.

It kind of makes sense, but it's like, are they all figuring out, are they getting it from each other? Like, is this just a natural pathway to curious, intelligent, innovative creatures that they ultimately eventually stumble upon this technology? Well, one of the things shared that I found fascinating was this idea that some of the craft that we've recovered and adversarial nations have recovered. weren't crash crafts and weren't crafts that they caused a crash. They were crafts that just appeared outside a military base, almost like a gift. Yeah, Diana Baselka discusses them as donations. So gifts, donations, but the thought, if you try to explain that, why would I even do that? Maybe some more advanced species is trying to help advance us and try to put a carrot on a stick.

Yeah. Maybe it's, you know, survival of the fittest for the nations of Earth. You know, maybe it's a big IQ test. Who knows what it is. But that's an interesting scenario and seems intentional from whoever put it there. Well, it would make sense if they were trying to help, that that would be like the least intrusive way. Instead of like coming down, hello, let me show you how to do this. Instead of doing that, just like, hey, figure this out, stupid.

Get all your brightest people. And at the very least, you'll figure something out. Yeah. And maybe that's what they're saying, that these things have gone into some sort of a commercial application that they figure. I just want to know what those things are. Because this was the thing that I was getting at with Bell Laboratory. So Bell Labs was, this is the, the conspiracy theory is that some of the material that was retrieved from Roswell was then transported to Bell Labs for some sort of a back engineering program. And that there was a reason why there was a military base right outside of Bell Labs.

And the idea was that military base supposed to be guarding New York City. But the New York City was like kind of far away. Like you'd want to be a little closer if you're guarding New York. York City. And it's much more likely that it was actually just guarding this laboratory and that there was a company called the American Computer Company. And the American Computer Company, are they still around? See if they still have this page.

So very wacky page. So they would just made made made to order computers. Like you would call it up, I want to, you know, whatever, 5 gigahertz Intel processor, blah, blah, they would do it all for you. I want a two terabyte hard drive. They would set it all up for you and send it to you. And then they had a whole section of their website that was dedicated to back engineering technology from Bell Labs and how it all happened. And they were talking about the invention of fiber optics and also the transistor that these things had come specifically from the discoveries that they had made from the back engineering of a craft that was down at

Roswell yeah um which was also by the way Roswell was a site of a lot of nuclear testing yeah I was told that rock you know people say in the film that Roswell did in fact happen there was a crash four non human bodies were in the craft and recovered and the technology the craft materials and the bodies were sent to right pat air force base right in Ohio which is very close to Battelle, right? And then maybe that's the reason why Bell Labs is near a military base. Maybe it's more about proximity to a base that can have recovery teams quickly deployed, come back with materials, and then get them to a facility close by without the need for moving them across the country. And that would also, if it was true, would also be one of the first examples of this

coordination between government and defense contractors government and scientists that were commercially working yeah and that they somehow or another arranged to get these brightest minds to hey what's this how's this work is that computer company still around I don't think so but I just stumbled across something I was reading that another story about the Bell Labs story they say a letter from the guy that says he's the head of American computer company what is he saying I just found it as you asked the question, trying to see why this was relevant. This was, like, back, I want to say, it might have been, like, the 90s, late 90s or early 2000s when I first started going online.

And I found out about them because, you know, I used to make my own computers back then. So I'd go and get a motherboard and hard drive and I'd do a lot of stuff. That's cool. It was fun. For gaming, it was really fun because you could, like, set it up with, like, powerful video cards and everything like that. but there was a bunch of companies that would sell like really high-end put together computers so you didn't have to go through all that work and so I was just looking at companies that made computers made to order Windows computers and I found them and I was like what

what the fuck is this do they still have that up that's wild I that I don't know I started to try to find it I thought I found it what about the wayback machine well this article that I found that says it's extracted from Nexus Magazine, 1999. You know, the thing about, when you think about what could be a verse engineer. Hold on, what is it? He says everything you talked about. Yeah? Can you see it?

It's very long. It's super long. It's all written, but it talks about alien craft. Yeah, okay, so it said, so now not only do we have a picture of the alleged alien craft on our website talking about alien technologies being transferred to AT&T, but we're also in possession of a very high level level five top secret security clearance military fax is describing something called sky station what here it says like we try to be cute we try to put up a picture if you go to our website it's still there here's our website

bottom of the page is a nav bar pointer is that website still up oh click on click on let's see what we got here just in case I'm weird nope that always not the exact that's gone son It's a website. Yeah, but that's a bullshit website. That's not the American computer company website, is it? No. That's just like American priority payment systems? What is this?

Who bought them? Do you know? Probably the fucking government, man. But this is talking about everything you just said, although that's why I was trying to figure out where, what this is. It's a website's, I don't know, reverse engineering, Roswell UFO technology. Look at this. It says here, the symbol for the transatlanticism. transistor is made up of three pieces, positive, positive, and negative, or negative, negative, and positive.

Silicon dioxide doped with arsenic and boron in 1947. Now, 1947, doping things with boron was not easy. It required the sort of equipment that even Bell Labs in 1946 did not possess. They had this type of equipment at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories, but it would have taken thousands and thousands and thousands of man-hours to invent the transistor. If you look back at it historically, what AT&T was claiming was that one day this genius, William Shockley, working with a rectifier, he locked, looked at it and noticed that it had unusual propensities. And there, bingo, he invented the transistor. He figured it out right there. And to verify that, the two other geniuses that they got to help work with him on the transistor, Dr. Barden and Dr. Bratton, Brattain?

Both said, oh yeah, I remember the guy by the name, by the name of the case, was allegedly talking about transistors in 1931, and I knew back then we were going to have them. He said that is the history of the transistor at AT&T prior to 1948, other than claiming it was invented in December of 1947 by Dr. Shockley. Anybody believe that story? Me neither. And I knew because the administrative head of the transistor project was Jack Morton. the man at whose house I was staying to go to school and whose sons I was friends with. And he often commented on the fact that it was really a shame that those three idiots got responsibility for the transistor and he didn't. And I always wondered because he too didn't possess the scientific ability to develop the transistor.

He was a brilliant man who had invented the radio broadcast vacuum tube, the closed space triode, but it appeared. that he was brought in to head up the project to try to draw back the transistor in time to radio tubes and the image that Shockley talked about and it was as if the whole thing was just a ploy and he might as easily have been given responsibility and gotten the Nobel Prize as Bill Shockley professional jealousy it says question mark wow yeah so there's questions about the invention of the transistor according to these guys but it's also fiber optics and it's the things that what they're saying is that these things kind of came out of nowhere yeah yeah it's hard not to line it up

you know yeah and it certainly lines up time wise yeah with the Roswell crash and and you know the labs working on these things being close proximity to bases they're known for recoveries and reverse engineering

around Roswell the engineers the Army Air Corps engineers that were based at right Pat were literally the expert reverse engineers of the Army Air Corps. That's who was based there. That's so crazy.

Yeah, and people forget at the time it was the Army Air Corps at Roswell, you know? Yeah. And the, yeah, I mean, the dots all line up, you know? The other thing to think about with what technology has been cracked is just because we haven't seen it yet doesn't mean they didn't crack it. Like typically, you know, if you just look at like, you know,

aerospace, like fighters and stuff, our black projects are like 30 years out. Mm-hmm. You know? Right, right. So. Right. They might have come up with something truly extraordinary.

Is it 30 years out... That 10 people know about. You're thinking about it in like 1990 and 2000 times? Or is it 30 years out now? Because technology is obviously moving in an exponential pace. I mean... Is it really still... Because 30 years from now, I feel like we have a digital god.

Yeah, no, it's... I can't believe that they're 30 years out. It's 30, for sure. Really? Yeah. And multiple intelligence officials have told me... Even the people who are not dealing with UAP, they're just working at, like, defense intelligence agency,

they're like aerospace experts. They're looking at our, they have to be aware of our black projects that are 30 years out and adversary projects that are 30 years out. And, I mean, that stuff's wild. I talked to a very senior intelligence official who is in his 80s, who in the 70s, mid-70s, was working on quantum entanglement for the CIA.

What? Yeah. No one heard about quantum intelligence. tanglement I think until like 15 years ago. Yeah, so how was he working on quantum entanglement? Didn't get in, didn't get into details. That was, that was the headline I got, and it's a super serious guy. But that was the headline I got. He was doing, he was doing fringe, French science work dealing with quantum entanglement for the CIA and the DOD in the mid-70s. And quantum entanglement as, for what, under what end, as a method of distribution of information?

Unclear. I wouldn't want to, you know, wouldn't want to assume, but just, just, that was the headline. And that's the, it was said to me in the context of when the public hears about something existing, it's, it's long after it's existed in terms of black project science, you know. And so it just makes you think, like, you know, if things have come off the back of this technology and some of it has been commercialized, actually like put into like hypersonic missiles or whatever it is, transistor radio, whatever. What hasn't? You know, what's just been kept in a box? Right. That's pretty well to think about.

But the reality is, I mean, all of that leads to me to just, I really feel like if we get into this air of transparency and everyone knows it's real and all scientists know it's a validary of inquiry and all the bright young minds out there that are in high school or college right now know this is something that can put their brain power towards, dude, so much amazing stuff could come out of it.

Yeah. Like think about the space race, 35,000 inventions, they say, came out of the space race, like Velcro and bunch of other stuff. Right, right. I think the fear would be that the openness would also lead to espionage, you know, because we already have a problem with that. We already have a problem with agents of the CCP that infiltrate technology companies

and get busted, and it happens at universities. It's an issue, you know, and if it was open transparency and they were just bringing in all the brightest minds, like, you know. Maybe, but maybe it's like the amnesty thing. Maybe it just needs to happen for the greater good. Yeah, that's the question. Look, if they're both, if both the United States and China are literally on the brink, maybe it's a conversation that needs to be had for the greater good of humanity. Yeah.

You know, that this notion that we are the only intelligent life that we've so far observed in the universe is a lie. And that where they come from, whether they're interdimensional or whether they're interstellar or whatever they are, there's something other than us that's more advanced than us that can do things that we can't do and that we've learned from them. Yeah. And despite our differences, we have a lot in common in the situation and that we're all in it together. That's the Reagan speech. Yeah. Yeah, that famous Reagan speech at the U.N. The two famous president speeches that I now look through, you know, I look at in a completely different ways. Reagan's speech at the United Nations where he says, I often think, you know, despite our differences, what will unite us is a threat from outside this planet. Yeah. You know, that brought us all together and remind us of our common bonds as humans, you know.

But the other speech, well, first of all, that one, why do you often think that Ronald Reagan? Right. Why is Reagan saying that? You're the president. Why are you often thinking this? Gave so many people hope, so many dorks like me. Yeah, maybe really. Well, the other one is the Eisenhower speech about the military industrial complex.

Yes. Where he warned us. And he warned us at a time where we now know the legacy program was already getting very powerful and empowering defense contractors to reverse engine this technology. And he warns, he says very, very clearly that the ability that the ability to be able to that the ability exists and will persist for unchecked power that would threaten our democratic process and basically he's saying, well, give us a place for the contractors are going to have more power than Congress. And here we are in 2025 with leaders in Congress and our Secretary of State saying that's literally what happened.

That's literally the situation right now. The president is out of the mix. Congress is out of the mix. The people are out of the mix. And military contractors, the military industrial complex, is in control, has on-checked power. and just waits out sitting presidents. It's wild to listen to his full speech through that context and know that that's what he was talking about.

And it came to fruit. Yeah. Yeah. And it's 80 years later. We're like, oh, he was right. And the thing is, that speech was, he did that live on the air to the world. And people didn't really get a chance to watch it until the Internet. Because most people, you'd have to read about it,

or you'd have to go somewhere and find some 35 millimeter footage and strap it on to a projector and go watch him say that. Most people never saw it. You didn't see it until the internet came around and then people had encoded it and turned it into YouTube videos. Super powerful speech. There's a third one that I looked through

a different lens now, which is not long before he was killed. Kennedy gave a speech about how secrecy is repundant. Yeah, secret societies, yes. And he said are repundant in a free society and they challenge our democratic way of life and we shouldn't allow it. Yeah.

You know? Look where that got him. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, he was literally taking on secret societies. Yeah. I mean, he wanted to disband the CIA. He wanted to, he had a lot of ideas.

Yeah. Yeah. Look, I hope that people involved with this at, like, the CIA or at these defense contractors, realize, like you said, they have a moment here to be the heroes of the story. Yes. And to spin it and just say, hey, we were taking on a job that no one else knew existed. We were doing the best we could. We thought we made good decisions. Like any war, there's casualties of war, right?

But our intention was to do the best for the United States. And we want to come out and tell everyone what we've learned in a safe way where we can share some information, educate the base, you know, the public with the base facts, and then keep the arrest classified for national security reasons. These people would all just be, you know. Heroes. Heroes. They go down in history.

We would be stunned, though. I mean, the United States, I think if the full extent, If these people are telling the truth, the full extent of this cover-up was ever revealed, we would probably be baffled. Like, wow. Like, they lied for so long. It's a lot. It's a lot. They covered up so much.

And then there would be the anger at the misappropriation of funds and a lot of finger-pointing. And then there would be the very real problem of defense contractors getting access to back-engineered equipment where other defense contractors were not. So they would have an unfair advantage competitively. Yeah. I mean, look, a bunch of defense contractors went out of business over the years. You'd also have to, you know, look back at some of the older defense contractors that were given materials in the 40s and 50s and then got acquired by a Lockheed or a Northrop. You know, Lockheed and Northrop bought all of the smaller defense contractors that have been involved with this over the years. Really?

Yeah. Yeah, a bunch of them. So those are the big ones? Yeah. Lockheed and Northrop? Northrop. Raytheon. So didn't they all have access?

Yeah, elements of them. I mean, you can't look at, just like you can't look at the government as all one big entity. You can't look at, like, it's not like everybody at Lockheed Martin knows about the non-human technology, right? But there are people that are in control of that situation. And this comes from multiple people I interviewed in my film. They all said the exact same names. Jeez. Yeah.

No, it's fascinating. The, how much, did you ever go down? How much of a rabbit hole have you gone down on the remote viewing stuff? I've gone down a few rabbit holes. Yeah, it's fascinating what they have actually been able to do with it. The Hal put-off story, but the crashed Soviet craft that they found, that this remote viewer guy found, like within a three-mile radius, located it exactly. Jimmy Carter put a statement out about it.

Yeah. There's audio of Jimmy Carter telling that story. See if we can find that. It's wild, man. Yeah, we'll try to find that because that is pretty crazy. The thing that I find the most fascinating is on it, aside from just like it's real is the connection with uap and there are people who have had uap encounters and then end up with these abilities for remote view and and that is that as well it's like so it's a biological effect

of of an encounter yeah there's a big book that uh um i've been a part of developing that's going to come out next year um it's a memoir it's been publicized a little bit under a pseudonym it's scott Andrews is the name, but that's not his real name. He was an intelligence official who, as a kid, had a UAP encounter, and then late in life had a medical issue that no one could explain, and then they found that he had these like amoebas in his body that should have killed him. Like, there was no reason why he should be alive. And he had an immediate brain surgery, and after he had the brain surgery, when he was healing,

certain memories started to come back, and all of a sudden he was. was able to remote view and he didn't understand what he was doing he talked to some other intelligence officials who told him what you're doing is called remote viewing people are trained to do that but he was doing it like he had done it before like jason like you know these skills are coming back right and um around that time he found uh when he was healing he's out of the hospital he found a locked file cabinet in his father's office his father passed away in the cabinet was a bunch of files about his life organized by the year and amongst the files were his

enlistment paperwork in the U.S. Air Force as a child like 12 or 13 years old, which is not legal. And then his honorable discharge at 18 and the service code was space intelligence communications and the base was the old Space Force Base like straight up real documents and then he went to his mother who was still alive and said, do you know anything about this?

And she said, I don't know anything about it but she's like, do you remember when you were a kid and you saw that UFO. And he didn't really remember. She starts jogging his memory. She said, you saw this UFO come out of this lake, I don't know, a lake or a pond. And he's like, I do, now I do remember. She's like, remember you ran home and you told me and dad.

And she said, all I know is the next day, like, those men from the Air Force came to talk to you with your dad. And then I never heard anything else about it. And so where this story goes is unpacking this connection between UAP encounters and, you know, while there's some biological effects that are bad. There are some that are also, like, if you call it a gift, I don't know if you'd call it a gift or a curse, but like... Unlocking a potential is a great way to put it, yeah. And then the Air Force being, the story also unveils how on top of it the Air Force is. So they went and recruited this young kid and his father to become part of a secret program where we still don't know exactly what he did, but he was used for this ability. And the service code was space intelligence communications.

And it's a wild story. There's a lot more too. I could talk to you about it for like four hours. But it's one of the most mind-blowing stories ever. This specific person is extremely high-ranking. Like, his resume reads like a movie character. It's like, it's bonkers. He's like, you know, at one point he was running like, I don't remember the exact title,

but essentially he was like running counterterrorism for North America. It's like a really high-level dude. And he ended up. getting, because of his stature in the intelligence community, he ended up getting help from people in the Department of Defense to piece together this hidden past he has. And he actually is in the process of getting approved for anonymous health injury status from the Secretary of Defense. So this program that he was involved in as a child, does he have any recollection? No recollection. His wife was like a gumshoe detective about it. She starts calling. They see in the,

In the files, there was records of days of school he missed, excused absences, for huge periods of time. I don't remember exactly whether it was weeks or months, but it was huge periods of time. So his wife calls the school and starts digging and asks, you know, what was your policy back then? Like, would someone have had to repeat a grade if they missed this much time? And they said, absolutely, unless you had a really good reason or some sort of like serious medical excuse, like you would have been held back. He was never held back. He has no memory of missing all these days of school. His friends that he grew up with don't remember it.

But there's all this documentation. His friends don't remember him not being at school. No. They inquired. Yeah, totally weird. Totally weird. Totally weird. So has he undergone hypnotic regression?

He hasn't done that. He's been dealing with a lot of serious medical issues, like very serious, like almost dying multiple times from a lot of these. the correct word, by the way, is parasites. I think I said amoebas. Parasites. He had parasites in his body that almost killed him multiple times. What kind of parasites? There were seven different parasites that he and his doctor said, his doctors told him would have killed him within a month.

I don't remember the exact names. I wouldn't pretend to be a medical scientist or anything like that. Does he have any suspicions as to how he acquired these parasites? Yeah, he thinks that whatever program he was involved with did bizarre experience. experiments. That's what he thinks. And he thinks that he was supposed to not remember any of this. And when the parasite issues caused brain surgery, the memories came back. Yeah. And he ended up, there's a lot more of the story after he, after he started socializing what he was experiencing. There were multiple attempts on his life that have been documented and investigated by real intelligence agencies. And he's like a serious dude. And he's doing his tell all memoir. it's a really great book it's almost done and Simon Schuster's going to publish it next year so there's multiple attempts on his life because of which asked does he have an understanding

like was he threatened he thinks it's because what he was involved with was supposed to stay in the past he wasn't supposed to remember when he was a child yeah no one and so they want to kill him essentially make it even more suspicious well depends on how you yeah no probably not probably not because they could just get away with it yeah what kind of attempts on his life Um, directed energy weapons. What? Yeah. Yeah.

Like how? The guy was having actual symptoms of a directed energy weapon attack. And he knew what those circumstances were from his, you know, from his career. He knew these were symptoms of that. And they, a proper investigation was done by real authorities and they found evidence of it, like etching in the windows and... Etching in the windows. If a director energy weapon goes through glass, it causes etching in the windows. So they're literally physically targeting him with something from a drone, from space.

Who knows? Who knows? I mean, these are like the list of questions that this story. So the idea is like, let's just give this guy cancer or just nuke him and take him out. That's what it seems, yeah. Because he's talking too much about this program. That's what it seems. And then if it comes out, we're fucked. Yeah, that's what it seems. Because probably what they did is highly illegal, especially if they did it to a child.

Well, I don't think you can legally enlist in the military when you're, you know. also he probably wasn't the only one yeah yeah and so if they do have some sort of an ability to erase memory that's what it would seem which also lines up with you know i talked to um one of the stories that left out of the film i talked to the base commander from rendelsham the the u.s joint u.s u.s. u.s. u.s. u.s. u.s. in the u.s. where there was a huge uap event in the 80s and the base commander told me on the record on camera that the day after the event, an airplane landed, people from the CIA and Air Force intelligence showed up with authority and demanded to speak to the witnesses. And the base commander was told to leave the room.

He didn't know until years later that all those servicemen that experienced this, they were all told to share the details and they were given a drug, I think it was called, is this correct? Sodium Pentheol. Is that how you say it? Penethal? That's the truth. serum, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were given that to, to share what they, what they experienced. And then they were all asked if they had ever been hypnotized. And someone was there

who hypnotized them. As crazy as that sounds. Wow. This is the base commander telling me this on camera to my face. He also said they took away something and crates the next day on this airplane. And he never got clarity on what it was. And the third, and the third, third thing that he revealed that I don't think anyone's ever talked about with Randlesham is he revealed that the day after the event, he went and talked to the people in the communications room, you know, old school, like, wires in the wall and stuff. And the head of the communications on the base told him that the entire night of the event, while he was out in the woods dealing with the event, the whole base was on communication lockdown. All lines were shut down except

the direct line between the base and the White House. Which it's called, I believe, I believe, I don't to mess this up, but I believe it's called Flash Override, which is only used for nuclear war or imminent threat of nuclear war. So like the most extreme circumstances where you need a direct line between the base and the president. Whoa. Yeah. So one of the unfortunate things I had to cut for time, hardest thing I'm making this movie, man, was my director's cut was like four hours, and I had to get this down to something that was like consumable. Did you ever think about making it like a, like a Netflix thing or multi-piece? I did. I did think about it um what about a director's cut would you ever do that probably i'll think about doing that

or maybe let's do a sequel maybe let's do a follow-up and put some of the stuff that like is like a bridge too far into the next thing once the table's been set that sounds good you know this was the question i was going to get to with that you've worked on legitimate films yeah like not that this isn't legitimate but you worked on some like big blockbuster hollywood films yeah man ready player one amazing film i love that movie um are you locked into this kind of shit now because here's the problem that happens when people start going down this rabbit hole it kind of consumes them look it's definitely it's definitely been a consuming endeavor this movie I mean this thing has consumed my life for four years and I had to you know it's a whole

another conversation but I had to make this movie in secrecy because at the at the offset when I started getting real intelligence officials to lean in they told me to my face they're like you it's not in your best interest to promote the fact you're doing this don't announce people doing it don't let the world know about it until you put a trailer out you know there's going to be people who are going to try to cause problems for you so I had to make this in secrecy I ended up doing post out of my Which my fiance is a saint Allie Feinstein is a saint For putting up with that

Did you have a crew at your house Yeah man So you had to do it on the sneak All consuming and And yes This topic is a rabbit hole you become consumed with Look I'm still gonna do movies and TV shows That have nothing to do with UAP

For sure And I'm developing some And I think I'll probably make some next year But At the same time I want to do more in this space and these adjacent spaces like i'm doing like i mentioned j stratton's book i'm working really hard on i'm also going to develop a series based on j stratton's life which is this remarkable 16 year rabbit hole of investigating non-human intelligent life and uap for the u s government um i'm

working with some other people that are in my film on on their life stories and then the book i just told you about that crazy remote viewing story yeah i'm developing a movie about that Oh, like a fiction, like dramatization? Yeah, like picture like the vibe of the insider, the Russell Crow Al Pacino movie. But with that story. Oh. Like that kind of vibe. Who do you want to play that guy? Do you guys come in mind?

I have a few people in mind. Don't want to say too soon. There's a few people in Ron. What about Ross Crow? Russell Crow would be amazing for it. And he's really into the topic. Oh, yeah. He's really love it. Yeah. And he's only interested in doing interesting things

now. Yeah. Yeah. He's got all the money in the world. He'd be amazing for it. There's a lot of good ideas for that one. But I do want to, I do want to still do stuff outside this topic for sure. I'm really fascinated with the remote viewing topic. I think I have a desire to do in the same way that the age disclosure is the definitive doc on what we now know that can be lawfully disclosed about UAP and non-humantilgeal life. I really want to try to endeavor to do that version of the remote viewing story. That would be amazing. Like the super credible, non-sensational. It's got.

I mean, it's got the coolest setup. Here's the setup for this thing. So Hal Poodoff's working for the CIA and the DOD in the mid-70s. He's doing some spooky stuff, fringe science work. His CIA handler, who's his best friend and was in his wedding party, comes in his office, knocks on the door, and says, we've got a problem we need your help with. He says, what is it? He says, our operatives have found out that the Russians have a program that they're 10 years into,

where they have rounded up the best psychics in Russia and they've trained them to use their psychic abilities to spy on American bases and our most secure facilities and they're getting actionable intel Hal's of course like holy shit that's the craziest thing I've ever heard right

and the CIA guy says yes you've got a blank checkbook from the CIA and the DOD you've got X amount of time to catch up on their 10 year program we've got to beat them he then has to figure out like how to go about

finding people have these abilities because it's not like Russia where you just go round up a bunch of people and say you're going to do this right so he comes up with a clever system to bake into army basic training testing that can identify people with these skill sets and then you can pluck them up and have them come work for this program you can help them sharpen their skill sets and you can train them to become remote viewers to me that like that scene it's like it's like the Indiana Jones scene where where the CIA comes in Indiana Jones and says you know what do you know about the arc of the covenant oh my god and we've got to see situation we need your help with you know it's wild man it's like the craziest setup of all time

and it's fascinating and then the fact that they started getting real actionable intelligence that they were acting on like the CIA was running missions based on his intel one one day when i shot i did so many interviews with hal but one day when we finished um talking about the uap topic i had i had intentionally scheduled a few extra hours and i was like all let's talk about stargate and i grabbed like three hours of the entire stargate story and it's a fucking mind-blowing. And all the specific, like, little stories of action that were taken based on their intel. It is so wild and so compelling.

And then when Stargate, at the time, Stargate was a deeply hidden program, extremely secret, highly classified. There was some leak, I think, that happened in the 90s where people heard about it. And then essentially the government said, oh, it's not real. It didn't work. It was the thing we tried, you know? And all they did is they just moved it to another agency. as far as I've had so many people tell me of their awareness of active remote viewing programs wow yeah have you tried to do it I have not tried to do it why not but I did what I did try

was someone remote viewing me in a specific place where I was and they sent me a picture that they sketched out that gave me fucking chills because they described exactly where I was standing when I was talking to them. And I don't think they had cameras in my house, which is the obvious question, right? Pretty wild. And there's other stories I've heard from intelligence officials that I've gotten close with because of the UAP topic,

people who became aware of the remote viewing situation and would tell me these just like little, ancient old stories like there was a, there was a, here's like a specific, there was a pen drive, like a little, you know, a little drive with some data on it that had some UAP data on it. That an intelligence official literally dropped while hiking out of their pocket. It was in their pocket.

And they dropped it. And they used a remote viewer to help them find it. It told them exactly where it was. They went and found it. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. But then you go and you listen to this clip of Jimmy Carter talking about how remote viewers were used to find this downair plane.

And you're like, this guy was president of the United States. I definitely found a transcript in an article, but I think this is audio and I hadn't been able to check it. There is a documentary. I tried to find it. documentary. There's a documentary called Third Eye Spy that has it as the opening scene. They described it differently than you. Change and inexplicable event that has been discussed publicly is at one time we had a small plane go down somewhere in Africa. We needed very much to find out where that plane

had crashed. And we were not able to find it by surveillance from our satellites. So the director of the CIA, he was also directed. of all the intelligence agencies, heard about a woman in California that was a medium. And he contacted her, and she gave him the latitude and longitude of the plane's whereabouts. And the next time one of our space satellites went over, that area we located the plane where she said it was. By the way, that's not even the one I was thinking of. He says it about a different thing, about a plane that was down it, I think it was Russia. And he specifically says, we went to the remote viewing program for one of the best remote viewers, and they found it.

But that's crazy. That's a sitting president. Right. It's fucking Jimmy Carter talking about a psychic being used to. Yeah. It's... Do you think that that is an aspect of human consciousness that we used to be able to do? I do.

And that we've lost it somehow? Yeah. Yeah. I think there's just things we've evolved out of and things we've evolved into. And I think that that's, you know. Is that what they think as well? Yeah, yeah. Someone very involved in that topic for the government now told me the analogy they would make is it's like if you saw a basketball on the ground, anybody can pick the basketball up.

If there's a hoop there, they can throw it at it. If you sat back and watched a line of 100 people do it, someone would look like clowns, someone would be like, oh, this guy has signed a potential. And then, you know, one out of every however many, like 1,000 or whatever, it would be a Michael Jordan who's just like, boom, swish. This guy's a fucking natural, right? It's got this instinct. So everyone can do it. Everyone can pick up the ball and throw it at the hoop. And some people have a natural instinct to do it better.

And that's what they were trying to identify. And that's what they do try to identify. And the weird one is that people who have had encounters. Yeah. So that, to me, is like... Like it breaks through some barrier that you have in your consciousness. When they communicate with you all of a sudden now, you have this wall that has been downed

that allows you to have access to this forgotten aspect of human consciousness. Or it somehow heightens it, you know? Yeah. The biological effects are real, so we don't, you know, we know about the bad ones like cancer, but maybe one of the other ones

is it heightens this ability somehow. Have you ever taken any time into consideration of the possibility that human beings were a product of genetic engineering? I mean, it's kind of impossible about this rabbit hole and not have the thought of, are we just all a big, is this a big experiment?

Right. You know, and one day the experiment will end. Or not even just an experiment, but an aiding in a process. Yeah. Like they recognize a process where there's bipedal hominids. Yeah. Of various intelligence, and they accentuate that. Yeah.

And multiple different, probably multiple different attempts. Yeah. I mean, I've definitely thought about it. And it would explain a lot, you know, there's all these missing gaps in our hands. history. Well, that's also the weirdness of the book of Enoch. Yeah. The book of Enoch is essentially describing watchers who come down from the sky and mate with women. Yeah. Well, that, if you told that story for a thousand years and the real story was they came down, they got a hold of human babies

and human mothers and introduced genetics that were alien into these children, that would be like they made it with women. Yeah. It would be kind of the same thing. Yeah. You know, and created, well, they talk about the Nephilim giants who destroyed everything, but that's kind of us. Well, the other thing that makes me think of is a number of the people who have seen crafts,

and it's, Jay Stratton and Lou Alizondos say it in the film, that the craft at Roswell had hieroglyphics on it. Some kind of ancient writing. And they actually, I didn't put it in the film, but they talked about how when they learned that to be a fact they spent a ton of time researching ancient text and trying to find a match and they couldn't find it and the closest thing they could find was some old biblical text but who's hieroglyphics for these what was that from yeah it's wild man well how much would you give to see one to like please i'll stop making documentaries i won't talk to nobody just show me just take

me into the hangar and show me this fucking thing. That's what I mean. Fielberg says he's, you know, all these years. A guy made close encounters. He made E.T. You know, War the Worlds. TV shows about it and never seen one. And, you know. Have you had anything that you've ever seen that you

thought was weird? Yeah. Yeah, I have. Actually, out in Ohio. Out in Ohio. My fiance and I were laying on a blanket while I was making this movie. looking at stars and saw what looked like a satellite

at first I thought it was going slow and then this thing just fucking rocketed off way up there all it looked like was a star but it was not a star

it was not a satellite because it moved super fast and just darted across the sky out of nowhere yeah up right above the Topatopa Mountains in Ohio and then I actually

the next day we said to the staff we were on those little golf carts getting drove across this hotel property and we told him we saw and the guy goes yeah not gonna lie we see that stuff a lot out here. It's like, wow. Fascinating.

Yeah. But that's the only thing I ever saw. Other stuff where I'm like witnessing firsthand the craziness of this cover-up, one of the interview subjects I had at my house in Los Angeles prepping for an interview. We're in the middle of, we're sitting in my living room. I live in the suburbs of Los Angeles. And what happened is not normal. Heard a very loud helicopter, ran outside, had my phone on me, look up,

and there's a black helicopter right about my house. house and the guy comes out of the house and looks up and then without missing a beat I always remember this he's like he's like yeah that'll happen I'm like what what the hell does get into you know so they're essentially letting you know that they know yeah there's been a bunch of moments like that like yeah letting letting you know that's that's the message I I I immediately asked people on the Senate intelligence committee and Center Services Committee about that if I should be worried they're basically like they're just letting you know that they're aware what you're doing it's them setting a message

they're watching you trying to cross any lines they're like that happens to everybody on the intelligence committee I would imagine that those people though kind of want you to succeed

like even if they're letting you to succeed in a way where you're not crossing lines and look I went to great lengths no one says anything classified on camera for me there's none of that

I don't want to be any part of that right they only share what they lawfully can and I think that you know I assumed after that that every first phone call and every email was being observed. Oh, yeah. And not only did I assume that,

but I was told to assume that. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, the people on the, so there's a guy I'll give him a shout out, John Estrich, who was on the Senate Intelligence Committee staff. He was the senior staffer for Rubio. He was the guy who really led the charge on looking into this topic for Rubio and Warner on the Senate and Tellings Committee staff. He was extremely supportive to me behind the scenes, helped vet people for me, helped send introductions my way, helped validate me with Rubio in rounds, extremely helpful. He often had that same kind of activity at his house every time he'd have an important meeting. Yeah.

Yeah. And, uh, oh, God. That'll fucking put some holes in your sales. Yeah. You know, like, slow down. But at the same time. Maybe I need to go back to Ready Player 2. It's like, fuck this.

I go develop an Ocean's Eleven type movie. Yeah, I'm not interested in fucking helicopters being over my house. No, there's been, look, there's a lot of people, I don't want to go too into it, but as you can imagine, there's a lot of people that wish this movie didn't exist. I'm sure, yeah. They wish I never made it. Of course. That tried to prevent it from getting released and went out of their way to cause problems.

There's a lot of people that fit that description. And I became aware of a lot of them. I became aware of a lot of those concerns. And I just kind of like, I just kind of put blunders on and like, you know, had tunnel vision. I was like, right, I'm not doing anything illegal. I'm not going to do anything that's bad for the United States. I think it's good for the United States. I really do.

I think that film is good for just human beings overall. It's really important, man. And I'm glad you did it. And it was really excellent. Thank you. I'm glad I got to see it at South by Southwest. And I was like, man, this has got to get distributed. Like, how does this get out there?

Yeah. You know, despite South by, we did two screenings, 1,100 seats at the Paramount Theater, standing ovations, lines around the block, the trailer I put out in January quickly got like 20 million views. Despite that, all the major distributors and major streamers, they watched it, they loved it, they said all these great things, but then they didn't end up, they didn't end up moving forward. And, you know, I don't think it's naive to think that other parties, you know, might have discreet. people. Yes, I would imagine that.

How can people watch it? So on Friday the 21st, which is tomorrow? Which is tomorrow or today to think that when this drops? It'll drop today. So it's today for people listening and watching. Today, February 21st. Jesus, February. Today, November 21st.

They've got an amoeba in your brain, bro. Today, November 21st, worldwide on Prime Video. You can rent it. You can buy it. I made subtitles for every single major language. It's available in every single country around the world where Prime Video is available. And you can also see it in the movie theater in New York, Los Angeles, and D.C. And I really encourage everyone in the world to watch this thing and make it a conversation with their friends and family.

I think it's the most interesting conversation you can have around Thanksgiving dinner next week, you know? It is really good, Ben, and you should be very proud of it. And I hope it gets distributed even wider after the success of the Amazon Prime thing because I think it's going to take off. Thank you. Yeah, I hope that's the case. And then, yeah, I do think there'll be a follow-up. Do have follow-up, baby. Come back. And definitely, if you do a remote viewing one, too. I want to hear about more. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, hell yeah.

Thank you very much for being here, man. It was awesome. Thank you for having me. And your documentary is really, really excellent. Thank you, brother. I appreciate it. Bye, everybody. All right. Thank you.