The Joe Rogan Experience - #2417 - Ben van Kerkwyk

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Ben? You can see him. So last time you were on, we barely scratched the surface of all the things that we wanted to talk about. So immediately we're like, we've got to do another one quick. Because you wanted to talk to them about the Sphinx.

The Sphinx, yes. Yeah, we were on, we got into the, well, the labyrinth was kind of the big. Labyrinth is nuts. I still haven't been able to get over it. The 40-meter. metallic shape, tic-tac shape thing that's in the ground? Like, what is that? Well, I hope we'll find out.

I mean, I don't know. It's the wheels do turn a little slowly, but the point of that was to try and drive some awareness. Maybe we'll get some sort of angel investor in there to go and look at it and solve the problem, do something. Someone needs to talk to Elon. Yeah, maybe. I'm not the guy.

I talked to him too much as it is. He's too busy, but someone who can annoy him. He's solving other problems. Yeah, someone, or maybe Bezos would like to be the. the first guy to get in there. Someone has to get in there. You have to figure out what that thing is. That's crazy. This might be one of the biggest mysteries in the entire human civilization record. Yeah. Who's the guy? Who's the director that went to the bottom of the off? Oh, Cameron. Cameron. I mean, he likes going places that nobody's gone before. They tell the hall and get there. Maybe

someone should do it. They just, I don't think enough people know. A lot of people know that we're listening to this podcast, but not enough people that would do something, that can do something. You know what I mean? It's like we reach a lot of knuckleheads. with some wide variety of people but the percentage of people that have the resources to make something happen they have to work something out

with the Egyptian government right so they have to do something with those dams yes well and you don't have to no I don't think it takes the dams you would have to remediate the water on the site at least like somehow box it out right you've got to drain you'd have to drain this massive area

or at least if you were targeted enough you might be able to drain a smaller area to then excavate in that area we should probably explain to people that didn't listen to the last podcast cast. Just a real quick synopsis. Real canips. So the labyrinth, it's, it's, we're talking about the great lost labyrinth of ancient Egypt, which was described by figures like Herodotus, Deodorus, Siculus,

Pliny the Elder. Figures from antiquity, these authors, and, and they've described it as being greater in magnificence than the pyramids, like they, they, they had these, just mind-bending descriptions of what this site was, like multiple levels, 3,000 rooms, you would get lost in it. It had giant courtyards with pillars, all made from, I mean, one guy, I think it was Strabo described the roof as being a single piece of stone, which I don't think it was, but it's describing those perfect joins that you see in the real megalithic work from Egypt. So it's this giant mystery.

We know it's there, and it was kind of lost to time until we found it again, basically. It was discovered, it was always known about because there were clues about its location. It was always theorized to have been at this place called Hawara, which is near the Fayume in Egypt. And, you know, Petri went there and dug it up. The Flinders Petrie in the late 1800s, early 1900s, and he found massive stone slabs, and he thought he was standing on its foundation, like it's been quarried and taken away. And rather than that, it turns out, he was most likely standing on the roof of, like, the top layer. It was like 10 metres below the ground.

That is so, he never got nuts. Quite in. But then the Madahar expedition happened, I think, in the mid, like 2017 or 2015, there was an expedition run by a guy named Louis DeCordia in partnership with the Egyptian government. they use ground penetrating radar sonic techniques like well-established subsurface techniques and they found it they found these massive cyclopean walls that were meters thick it was a labyrinthian structure it's well verified as below the water table level of what's on that site now so you have water table sort of five meters below the surface the labyrinth starts at nine 10 meters and that was there's some controversy around that report because it was buried like so he

found it. They never published the report. It was squashed by Zahi Hawass. This is according to Louis DeCordier. He threatened him and his team with national security sanctions if they talked about it. It just was put away. He waited a few years. He finally released the report. It's like, holy shit, we found the labyrinth. And then this then spurred some other companies to use some of these new space-based scanning techniques. There's been at least two that have been done very different techniques, but they found the same thing. They found that there is, in fact, a massive underground structure at this place called Hawara. It goes much deeper than what you could reach with those ground penetrating radar and those established techniques, 60, 70 meters below the

ground. There's multiple levels, three or four levels. And they correlate. So one scans a statistical model. Another one is a that uses high frequency photography along with, I think, seismic data, very similar to the Doppler tomography work that's being done by the Italians at places like the Giza Plateau now. And they both correlate. Yes, there's a big structure, but one of the most interesting facts that came out of this scan was it seems like in this massive central atrium that's this one big, giant open rooms, 40, 50 meters long that connects to all of these levels. There seems to be this unidentified metallic object that's freestanding in this room.

It's about 40 meters long and it seems to be tick-tac shaped is what this report said. It's a fucking UFO. It's a UFO in Egypt. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, could you imagine? Could you imagine, do you imagine if they get in there and they really do find a recovered spacecraft? Then what do we do then? Because if this is a public excavation, that's the question.

We'd have to bring in the seals. We need to lock that place down. Maybe we need to occupy Egypt just to figure out how to fucking get this done. Occupy Hawara. Let's just, yeah. Just Hawara. You'd have to occupy the whole country. You'd have to bribe them something.

Give them money. Whatever you got to do, like if I was a president, that would be like my number one priority. I mean, you know? Yeah, it's it has the potential. I think there's been a little bit more of this from Egypt. I guess the establishment there, they seem a little more willing to engage in some of the mystery. I genuinely do think that discoveries like these can only help and boost tourists. Like it's going to, what they want is to bring people in.

It will bring way more. Could you imagine if they actually figure out a way to drain all the water out of the labyrinth? They give you a tour and show you the spaceship. How much you're paying to see the spaceship? Bro, I'm paying a ton of money to go see that spaceship. That's a special permission. Like, that's the way we do. They're very good at that.

Like, there's a lot of places you can now go in Egypt that are these special permissions. It's thousands of dollars. But, you know, we go. Yeah. They could charge, like, 10 grand. They could charge, like, a lot of money just to go look at the spaceship. Might, yeah. It would be like mecca.

Like, mecca for UFO dorks. It would be insane. To see, depends on what it. Who knows what? Well, the guy did say, too. It didn't seem like any metal that he'd seen before. Like he couldn't identify what type of metal it was. Because it's alien.

Right, it's Element 114. For sure. It's alien. It's made of the same stuff that comets made out of, the AI Atlas. Oh, yeah, three-eye Atlas, the thing that's off-gassing some nickel, nickel alloy or something. It's a giant nickel the size of Manhattan. Yes, that's jetting towards the sun. Although, didn't NASA came in, they think they released their images, I think, recently?

I can't remember There's some images They came out and said Oh the comet's doing this and doing that Doing a lot of weird stuff But it definitely seems to be a comet Yeah Unless you ask Avi Lope

And he's like Anything can be a spaceship He's got a point He's got a point He does We don't know what one would look like We've not seen Yeah

I mean it's a small sample size As it is for interstellar objects Right We have three to compare But two of them have been Really fucking weird So I think the point We're getting at is

And this is the point Of all these conversations Is that there's some stuff that is yet to be discovered that has previously been discovered that might be like it might blow the damn down on all this stuff to the point where like okay whatever you think happened here a lot more happened and it seems way crazier if the stuff underneath the geiza plateau is correct and if the stuff which is like what and if if the labyrinth if they can show you that this not only was herodotus depicting an actual place but we can show it to you and it's preserved and it's been under the water for fit. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. When it came time to make a website, there was no question that we would power it with Squarespace from the intuitive design intelligence that helps to create a bespoke

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And yes, I think some of these things would knock down everything it's it's a house of cards right it's there I think there are there are elements of that that are in that that are obvious I mean not obvious but there people can explore them and it starts to knock down the house of cars is how people end up with this just looking at the contradictions in ancient Egypt but there there are other examples of what I would say like these things like the matter how expedition that have been discovered but then sort of covered up and kept secret right and a lot of them have to do with you have the same tie in with these ancient stories and accounts from history,

not just from the Roman and Greek historians, but also the Arab histories, like Al-Masudi, for example, the Herodotus of the Arabs they called him. You know, he talked about tales of these tunnels and chambers beneath the sphinx, that there were ruins beneath the sphinx that then led out to like three different tunnels. You have a number of other Arab historians

from as far back as like 600 AD that have stories of getting into the pyramids and then getting lost in tunnels and chambers beneath them. Jeez. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of these you hear these stories of like the Hall of Records, right?

The people like Edgar Casey, the American psychic in the 1940s who, you know, he would, Edgar, have you heard of Edgar Casey? Yes. So he would fall into these trance like states and he'd have these visions, he's called like the sleeping prophet

they would call him or he's like one of the American's psychic. And he wasn't just about things around Egypt, he did prophesize and talk about locations for three halls of records, which were these Atlantean cations of information, like a pre-Diluvian civilization. He did call it Atlantis. But he would also have these predictions about the stock market, and a lot of people made a lot of money based on his predictions, and that led to the...

He was really good at it? Yeah, yeah. So apparently he went, I mean, whether it was luck or I don't know. I mean, I have... Because that's always the question when it comes to, like, psychics. If you were real psychic, why would you? you make all the money in the world from the stock market? It did happen. There was a lot of people made a lot of money, and he did evidently too as well.

And so that led to the formation of something called the Eager Casey Foundation or the ARE, the Association for Research and Enlightenment, is the name of them. They're still going strong today. And they've been looking to try and find his halls of records, and they've been trying to verify Casey's predictions. One in particular that they have been chasing down is the famous. Hall of Records, which he said was beneath the paws of the Sphinx. So there's not, you know, the stories of this Hall of Records and these rooms beneath the

Sphinx go back thousands of years. Like, I mean, just not just the Arabs, but also Herodotus and these other guys also talked about that whole area, the Sphinx and everything else being vastly more ancient, even than the pyramids. But there was some work done that then that happened in recent times, like in the 1990s. Well, there's been a search going on since the early 70s that the ARE has been involved in. And a lot of this is quite secretive. A lot of this has never really come to light.

But there's some, until very recently, in fact, there's been some footage that came up that showed that there are, in fact, tunnels beneath the Sphinx that may well have been explored. We're not quite sure. But it's an interesting story. So it does involve Mark Lainer and Zahi Hawass, who are the authoritative figures involved in Egypt. Are they bottlenecking this as well? Do I have to go give them a hug? Maybe. Come on, guys.

Join us. Allegedly. We'll blow you up. We'll make you like so much more popular. Well, we'll help. It should be. We'll get you more tourism. That's, and that's, I think the current guys that have been running the Department of Antiquities are embracing a little bit of that idea.

But I do think there's been a little bit of gatekeeping that's happened. Well, I think it's a generational thing. I agree. You know, and I think when you are an academic or you are a person that's in a position of power like Zahia is, and you've been running things for so long and this new thing comes along it's very threatening you know and when there's a lot of

movement and momentum behind it it's very threatening but that thing will just embrace you if you say oh my goodness look what we've learned we've learned more new amazing things about wait for it Egyptians like it's the same people it's just older it is older versions like this is why it's so dumb it's like you're just you are

only allowing part of the narrative to go through about how magnificent this culture. It's already the most magnificent culture in human civilization. And in terms of history, when we look at it, nothing is anything like Egypt. It's crazy. And imagine it's bigger and crazier. It would, it would, it just, richer in a longer history in this place. It's still, like, it is, it is Egyptian. It's the most magical place in the world. Yeah. It's, it is unfortunate. I was just talking about this, just yesterday, in fact, the, the nature of establishment being to resist change, right? It's, it's And control.

Control and to resist change. Maintain control, not lose control. That was the fear. The fear is, I am a self-professed expert with an institution behind me with a nice name. And then all of a sudden some fucking asshole with an Australian accent comes along. He was a tech guy who becomes a YouTuber because he watched some assholes podcast when he was younger. Yep, pretty much. That's it.

But it's you and Graham and Jimmy Corsetti and all these other amazing people. And you guys are, you're showing the world that there's another side to a lot of these stories, and it's a legitimate side. It's not just a legitimate, it's an unfathomable side. When you're looking at some of the stuff, like Balbeck, you're looking at those stones. There's unfathomable things that no one is, no one is saying they're unfathomable. No one's saying, we don't know. Everyone is saying, don't worry about it. We got it all figured out.

Like that's crazy. That's, I agree. I think embracing them, and I think I've made this point before, but it's, I, this is, it's the nature of the discourse that's changed that has forced, I think, a stronger reaction from the establishment, the, the general public use things differently. Well, the general public's involved in the discussion now. If you go back more than 60, 70 years, I mean, general public didn't have access to this information. They were, I mean, these discussions only happened in societies and in universities, but with the rise of, firstly, alternative authors. and then the internet, now everybody's got a chance to have a platform and a set of ears to hear this information. And it becomes more popular, guys. Like you have had a huge impact on the popularity of these topics. And that's, I think, what is threatening.

I think they've always been popular. The problem is they haven't been legitimized. Like, these ideas have always been popular. It's just nobody gets, it's like there's a food that you want that no one's serving. You know what I mean? That's what it's like. It's not like it wasn't popular. Yeah.

Like, I'm not unique in my interest in ancient Egypt or in ancient civilizations. There's everybody, look at, when they ask men, like, what do you think about? Ancient room? Yeah, guys think about ancient room all the time. Yeah. It's just a normal part of being a person that lives in a current civilization wondering what it was like in the past. And then when you see something like Egypt, you're like, none of this makes sense. No, there's massive contradictions.

And I think... It seems so old. Well, it does. And I think what's made this... Well, let's call it alternative perspective, much more possible, even plausible, is all of the adjacent fields of science and work that is basically providing a plausible context for these ideas that there was an ancient lost civilization that is responsible for the roots of some of the things we see in these civilizations, responsible for some of the technological enigmas

that we find on these sites. And that, you know, this is all stuff that's happened in recent years in adjacent fields of science, things like the extension of the human timeline, the evidence for severe erosion on these sites, our understanding of climate history and cataclysm. The extension of the human timeline is huge. That's huge. Because, you know, we were just, Jesse Michaels and I were just having a conversation about this. I was like, imagine if you would not lose any cognitive abilities, no decline at all, and modern science figured out a way to let you live a thousand years.

Imagine if you're a person who's working on material sciences and you're doing like 3D printing, you get to live a thousand years and you're a researcher and you're still show up at work every day for a thousand years or 10,000 years. That sounds nuts, but it doesn't because if you can extend life, you can extend life for a very prolonged, especially with gene editing and a lot of the other crazy, who knows if they already figured that out back then? Data brokers are invading your privacy. They're recording everything you do online.

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in the description. I mean, there seems to be some evidence that they might have because... What about the Sumerian Kings list? Well, this is a big part of it. I mean, not just them, but almost every civilization that talks about, even the Bible, it talks about pre-deluvian or pre-flood civilizations, often talks about people living for hundreds of years, if not longer than that, thousands of years. You have an Egyptians king's list that does the same thing.

But even in the Bible, you know, Noah was 600. 600, right? So you have, yeah, I think something like that. You have many examples of these, what they would describe as pre-cataclysm or pre-flood civilizations, where people live for a long time. But you just, I mean, not just, there's an extension of individual human timeline, but we also know that there's an extension of the human, like how long humans have been here.

Right. Right. Because that's going back further and further all the time. We have skulls and fossil record evidence now where it's just slightly more than 300,000 years genetic and studies into teeth morphology make the possibility open to whatever, seven, 800,000 years there was a skull found. Yeah, I mean, it's, I think that was. There's more, I think that's more of a homo sapien clade skull.

So it's like a, it may not be homo sapien exactly us. It might be a variety. But that's a whole other aspect on this too is, is that where the last humans left, right? There were other types of humans that we know live for, in some cases, a couple million years. Yeah. That had similar, like even bigger brain sizes than we did. We don't, we don't really know what their capabilities were. We only can work with ourselves.

And then you combine that lengthening of. of time of like, okay, you have an intelligent social species that has the ability to build on knowledge of your, you know, your ancestor. So, you know, one guy spends his life making the spear. The next guy spends his life perfecting how to throw it. We have this unique ability to stand on this knowledge that's passed down from our direct ancestors and therefore build up our capability. And inevitably leads towards civilization. And if you stress that way back in time, and now you look at things like the climate history and the history of cataclysm on this planet, this possibility that these civilizations may have arisen and then been

completely destroyed at some point over the last several hundred thousand years, you can't just dismiss that. There's a strong possibility that it's just, it's possible. And in fact, there seems to be a lot of other contextual evidence to support it, in origin tales, in stories, in the echoes of sacred geometry and advanced mathematics and knowledge of the cosmos and also planetary dimensions and geodetic data or all this stuff that's encoded into these monuments and into these stories and tales

that we can't explain how these so-called primitive civilizations like the Egyptians or the Sumerians knew this information yet it's there and it's encoded in their monuments and in their data. But we can't explain, even the Greeks, you can't explain the precision of some of the aspects of things like the pyramids. But yeah, I mean, you just, and again, with the cataclysms that we know have happened, the younger dry is just being the most recent. But if you go back several hundred thousand years, you have these massive interglacial periods and glacial maximum periods, right, that these cycles that we go through where you have this big glaciation buildup, and then you have just, you know, these probably what must have been catastrophic floods. then interglacial periods. In fact, there was a period called the Eolian period. It was about

120,000 years ago. That was very much like the Holocene that we're in today. In fact, it lasted longer than the Holocene has currently lasted. We've been in the Holocene, maybe 10,000 years, 10, 11,000 years. I think the Eolian period was more than 15,000 to 20,000 years where it was stable weather. Sea levels were like three, four meters higher than where they are today, but it wasn't like this, it wasn't like the height of, you know, a glacial maximum where it's a difficult place to live. It was a, it was a calm period. I mean, the only reason our civilization is here today is because of the nice weather of the Holocene, right? We have warm weather. We, we haven't had like massive catastrophes that have been like, you know, extinction level events

kind of thing to get in our way and knock us back to the Stone Age. There was a similar period like that that lasted longer than we've been in this nice period, about 120,000 years ago. And if you consider after that the cycles of glaciation and flooding them, particularly the younger dry, they'd been just almost nothing left. It's just just the stone in places that survived what happened afterwards. So I do, my range of possibilities for, okay, when did these artifacts originate? Like when did some of this architecture originally be built?

It's not to me just 15,000 years ago It could be 100, 200,000 years Or even more And again, more contextual evidence to support that It's things like the erosion that we can see On some of these sites One of my favorite topics in the last couple of years Has been looking at the erosion on the Giza Plateau

Yeah, I wanted to bring that up And of some of the big monuments In particular like the whole Middle Pyramid complex on the Giza Plateau Let's show some of the images That you used in some of your videos because it's pretty fascinating when you look at it. It's kind of undeniable.

It is. And what's fun about this, too, is that we don't have to guess, right? We know how long it takes. Studies have been done about limestone erosion. Turns out there's almost an endless number of conveniently dated limestone slabs all around the world. They're tombstones in cemeteries, right? So you can, they get dated, they get cut, they get inscribed with the date when it was put up. and then so you can measure it

and you can come back over whatever decades and measure erosion and so how long does it take for this face of this limestone erosion to recede? This is the nutty stuff because we're assuming that unless something happened to the outside of that

that this was at one point in time flat and smooth 100% because there are still blocks that are protected so a lot of this has been rebuilt this is tricky to see so you can actually see that the less eroded sections are actually modern restorations

because this is so eroded that it's falling apart. Right. And this isn't even the exterior of this structure. This is the interior core masonry. All of this was also, for God knows how many thousands of years, encased in granite. It also points to a trend, points to a pattern that when human beings find ancient things,

they do renovations, try to keep them. Oh, yeah, which is one of the things that's been, you know, yeah, over and over and over again. We've talked about that. Yeah. There's so many structures that seem like there's multiple times. lines working on the same exact ground. It is 100% a human tendency to renovate and restore all of these, to reuse these sites. Even in a gross way, like what they do with the Spinks.

Like the pause, that's gross. It is. But we're renovating it and restoring it to use it as a tourist attraction. Like the Romans renovate it and restored it to use as a ceremonial center. But it's a very shitty version of the original. Yeah, I agree. And there's a lot of assumptions. You're assuming you knew the form of it.

You're making your own form. Yeah. Over the feet. I have a problem. Yes, that was one of my problems with they, they were talking about restoring the middle pyramid, like the third pyramid, like the Menkara pyramid, the small one. Yeah? It's small. It's monstrous.

But it has these granite casing stones, right? And the last of the top four or five courses are still there, but it was at least 15, 16 courses of granite. And there's just all this granite, these massive granite blocks and rubble. And Mustafa O'Zaria, who was at the time, the head of the Department of Antiquities was talking about, we're going to rebuild it. We're going to put it back together. And I know this. And I'm like, please no, because...

What an asshole. Well, he did something cool, which was he excavated in front of it. He did show that the courses keep going down. But then he's like, we're going to restore it. I'm like, dude, that would use concrete. It would be a facsimile of what it once was. Is he still around? No, he actually, because he said that, there was a lot of international outcry for that very reason.

And then, in fact, the government formed a tribunal to figure out what to do. The tribunal was headed by Zahua, and he, like, he, like... his job so yeah don't he's not in that yeah it's not happening that's crazy nobody wants to see the restored pyramid i'm all to see what's left yes well we can use our imaginations to they are restoring a lot of things i don't necessarily agree with this either i think things that are actively falling apart short you need to butcher some like a lot of this wall so this is part of the middle pyramid complex at giza and there's a lot of blocks like this there are limestone blocks that are 11, 12 meters long, like four meters wide, you know, two, 300 tons that were stacked up on top of

each other and they eroded so greatly on the inside that they've actually fallen over at some point in antiquity. They've fallen off. And so they are trying to buttress and support things that are going to fall. I'm all for that. But, I mean, there's a lot, just the amount of erosion that it takes for that to happen to blocks like this, of this pneumolitic limestone, which is a very hard form of limestone, full of fossils. And you're talking like two, three feet in some places of erosion of limestone. And if you look at the studies that have been done into like limestone erosion rates, and there's been several, they've studied them in coastal wave action environments

where it's like getting battered by waves. They put in rivers. You know, they put limestone cubes on the top of one of the governmental buildings in DC and left it there and studied it over decades and like, okay, it's tiny amounts. But in a normal weathering environment, right, this is assuming a lot more rainfall than what happens in Egypt, which gets very little rainfall, by the way, but a place like Washington, D.C. or somewhere where you get like 40 inches of rain a year, something like that, it would take just normal weathering erosion to do two feet of erosion like this more than 100,000 years. And so, and that's, I think you can extend that. because if, well, the thing is maybe there was more rainfall here at some point. We know there was since about 4,000 BC, the African humid period was in place.

That's another big, I think, tell for what happened, particularly on the Giza Plateau and the sites in Egypt, in that, you know, one of the things has always mystified me about the Sphinx is like it's spent so much time buried in sand up to its chest over the last several thousand years, more time than it hasn't been. We have to work pretty hard to keep the sand out of it now. In fact there are multiple attempts to dig it out of the sand in the 1800s that failed and then they just literally two or three years later it's sort of buried up to

its chest again. Seems like a design floor. Why would you build this thing in a low spot in a windy desert where it's going to fill with sand? Who's it attributed to again? Kaffra. That's right. And then it wasn't there an inscription that where Kaffra said that if

he could uncover the sphinx, he would be the pharaoh? This is right. It's actually Thutmosis the fourth. That's called the, there's a stelae in front of the, in the chest in there, in the Sphinx. So Tothmosis the fourth, about a thousand years later. So he was the one that was saying, if he uncovered it. So we knew it was buried in sand during the Dynastic Egyptian civilization.

That was what I was going to get to. Yes. So that's, so that during that time, no erosion. Well, this is a whole, yes. So there's a whole other. So it's protected. Right. So this is another big issue with,

the wind and sand erosion. When you talk specifically about the Sphinx enclosure, I mean, this is one of the big controversial, I mean, for academics. Where's the big one? The face is eroded. Exactly. And if it's wind and sand, that's the only thing that's exposed. And that's not as eroded. It's been one of my major points for a long time. It is, to be fair, it is the yarding, the sedimentary layers of limestone, it is a slightly harder form of limestone, but still, you're talking thousands and thousands of years where that, the only thing above the sand level, was basically the face. And they explain all of this deep erosion

on the body of the sphinx and the sphinx enclosure to wind and sand. I know, obviously, Robert Schock is a different interpretation. But yes, you would see erosion on that. You just don't. I think the most plausible explanation for that sphinx is that, yes, the face was recarved in the dynastic period,

probably it could have been by Kuffra. Actually, may well have been before that as well because there's other evidence that suggests that the sphinx was already buried in sand at his time. Wow. The attribution to Kuffra comes from two main sources.

One is its position. So where the Sphinx is, you have the middle pyramid, you have the causeway that runs down, and you have the middle pyramid, you have the pyramid temple, the complex where we were seeing that erosion. You had this massive causeway that runs down to then the Valley Temple,

which is this very famous, massive megalithic structure. And right next to the Valley Temple is the Sphinx. And in front of that is the Sphinx temple. So they sort of attribute it and make it well, it's part of the middle pyramid complex. The other attribution comes from what's been written on that dream stelae between in the legs of the Sphinx at its chest. It does say Kaffer on there, but there's a lot of, it's a controversial statement to say that that means Kuffer built it. There were several Egyptologists who had different, and this is back in the, you know, early 1900s,

they had different interpretations for what that said, what they, they believe. believe it said was Kaffra was trying to do what his ancestors had done, well, had done before, or that Thutmosis was trying to do what his ancestors had done before. And Kuffer has mentioned there, in terms of dig it out of the sand and become king. Like, excavate it from the sand. That's the move that everybody goes through. Well, it's also, I think it's proper. It could be a great explanation for that dream start.

It could also just be like governmental propaganda, right? So he could be, you could put that in there and say, see, I'm divinely ordained to be king because I dug this out of the sand. Just in the interest, yeah, just the interest of keeping this standalone, please explain to people the whole deal with Dr. Robert Schock from Boston University and the water erosion. Yes. I know, and if you've heard this before, I'm sorry, I just want it for people that are like, what? The water erosion that appears to be thousands of years of rainfall. Yeah, it's actually good, it's good background context because it does apply to not only the Sphinx. It's the most famous example, I think, and well-known example of, again, an adjacent field of science coming in and challenging.

some of the doctrine that's been around Egyptology, but it was actually Swallow to Lubits, who originally, I think, proposed it. His work was followed up by John Anthony West, who then brought Dr. Robert Schock, who's a professor of geology at Boston University, to the Sphinx. This was, I believe, the late 80s, early 90s, and he went and looked at the erosional patch, so the Sphinx sits inside an enclosure. It's carved from bedrock, so it was originally what you'd call a Yardang, which is like a limestone outcropping. So they cut, they cut down in this big enclosure and they cut the floor and then they sort of shaped the sphinx from this natural outcropping of bedrock. So you had, and we know this because the structure

next to the sphinx or in front of it called the Sphinx Temple is actually you can line up the sedimentary layers of the blocks that are in there from the Sphinx enclosure. So we know that there were blocks taken from here. So this is all predictably sort of cut walls and the Sphinx would have been nicely finished when it was. And he looked at these patterns. If you go there today, I think I have pictures of the walls of the Sphinx enclosure in there. And it's just these deeply eroded vertical channels. And the Sphinx body's harder to tell because it's been restored so many times. The ancient Egyptians restored it.

The Romans restored it. We restored it a couple different times. Assholes. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine. But the nice thing is the walls of the enclosure really haven't been touched. So you can see the natural erosive patterns.

And he looked at that and went, that's rainfall erosion. but not just some rainfall erosion, literally the result of thousands of years. The only way you would get these patterns in the stone is thousands of years of rainfall erosion. Obviously, geeseers are really, really dry. I mean, Egypt's a really dry place these days. You have to go back to time periods pre-4,000 BC when the Sahara was a savannah. It was grasslands with lake basins and river systems, and it had a lot more rain. You didn't have this annual flood, you know, cycle that you have now.

It was like a lot more rainfall. It was much more verdant and green. The Giza Plateau would have been green. Which makes sense that that's why they would settle there in the first place. Exactly. Yeah, when they didn't build in a desert, I mean, you wouldn't because it would fill up with sand. It also makes sense why they would flourish because they had so much resources because it was like so green and fertile. Probably had plenty of plants, plenty of animals.

Well, there's, you know, there's a really other good point associated with that. I wanted to bring up and but first just to finish on the the sphinx erosion so when when shock came out and said this he really thought he was you know moving the story forward and he took it to an archaeological conference and they literally laughed him out of the room they said this is you know this is this is this is ridiculous like where are the pot shards was I think Mark laner's comment saying like where's the evidence that something's at least 12,000 years old mocking mocking them yeah so he was he got a good taste of the I guess the old boy network of the the archaeologist on that day. But he's, you know, he's being very conservative in that dating also of saying,

well, 12,000 years. It could well be tens of thousands of years. And in fact, it seems more likely to me based on the erosional evidence that we see not only in the Sphinx enclosure, but elsewhere on the Giza Plateau. There's many places where you see just a huge amount of erosion that you can't really explain within the timelines and the climate of Dynastic Egypt, as we know it from, you know, roughly 3,000 BC till even now, like, because you've still, it's still eroding, right? But yeah, he, he, he, it could be vastly more ancient. I actually, I actually think there's, uh, something else that came out. Uh, was it earlier this year? I think it was much earlier this year or maybe late, uh, late last year, but there was a study done

that showed that during the African humid period. So this period of time before the desertification of, of, of Egypt, the Sahara becoming a desert, when it was. green and there was more consistent rainfall there was obviously a lot more water in the nile as we call it and it had different channels one of the things they discovered was that there was a branch of the river nile then it's called the aromat branch and it was in places up to a kilometer most of a mile wide so it was quite an extensive branch but it turns out that all of these valley temples on all of these pyramid sites from dashor and sikara abysir abeerab giza all of those valley temples were built on the shores of this extinct branch of the Nile.

So it's like pyramids, you know, pyramids, when you look at a pyramid, it's not just a pyramid, there's a whole complex associated with it. There's a temple. There's a structure at the pyramid. There's a causeway. There's what they call valley temples down. And it's like, these were all built on the shorelines of this branch of the Nile that basically disappeared 4,000, somewhere between 4,000 and 3,500.

see, but it was in place for thousands and thousands of years before that. And today, if you go there and they say, well, you know, the Valley Temple, yep, they would ship the stones from Aswan and it would be like three months of the year, it would flood enough where you can get a boat in there. I mean, I've seen pictures. There are pictures of when that flood happened before they built the dam and stopped that process. And it's, in some years, it's a puddle.

Like, there's not, I mean, you're talking about boats that were carrying hundreds of tons of granite. And only in a three month period of year, can you get a. in there. There would have been many years where there's not even remotely enough water to get it anywhere near the Valley Temple. I don't think they even use boats. Oh, no, I don't either. It sounds crazy to say, but I think they had a technology that we haven't even begun to mess with yet. The logistical achievements of the ancient Egypt, of what is represented in ancient Egypt is like nothing you can see anywhere. I mean, there's Balbeck, and then there's, to me, the best example is the statue at

Tannis. There's a statue. I mean, there's several of these thousand plus ton statues, like half a dozen of them. You get remnants of them, but there was one that was at 10, it was moved a thousand kilometers, like a thousand kilometers. And it would have been, it was a single piece granite statue, easily a thousand tons. Show that image, Jamie, if you would, please. I think it's giant objects in there or something. There's, I mean, and this is tannis in the delta aswan down here at the quarry i mean downstream on the nile there's there's another example of the one at karnak that's the whole shoulder and arm of a composite quartzite again gigantic size of the statue of liberty basically like single piece granite solid statue

i mean there's there's all these pieces that's a small one which is insane that's yeah that's look at the people in the background and say that's a small one yeah it's only 200 tons i mean it's 250 maybe it's not you have them 10 times almost that size the crazy thing is also how beautiful it is like how symmetrical it is the workmanship on these

is astonishing and you can still feel like this is one of the signs I think when you get to the finishing on some of these statues that's a yeah that's a giant kneecap there's one with an arm and a shoulder sort of poking out that's a really good example and that's Balberg

the point is when you when you when you talk about how beautiful that, like how, that one that's lying down, Jamie. Oh, there's a, the one, the back one, a couple, that one. Yeah. Look at the finishing on that, like how incredible. You see his nipple. You see all the, you know what I mean? Thousands of years later.

You see the detail on the headdress. You see all, and then you have to realize, like, this was done with people that didn't have steel. Yeah, and you can. Supposedly. Right. I mean, they, yeah, later periods, like in the New Kingdom, they had some more iron, not necessarily steal. But you notice something else here.

Like, see that cartouche. Mm-hmm. See how poor that is relative to the finishing of the face and the chest. So this is the other thing that happened. This is why no one's sort of, like, you don't get archaeologists saying, well, there's statues. We don't know who made it. We know who made it because they put their name on this. That is literally Ramsey's the second's cartouche right there.

I'll recognize it anyway. But that's awesome that you recognize that. If you come to Egypt, you'll recognize it too. That's so cool. He was, Petrie called Ramsey's the second, The Great Usurper, because he put his name on fucking everything. And he carved it in deep like this, too. He would have it be, him and his father, Sedi the First and his son, Marin Patar, they were all in that business of rebadging some of this stuff. So they would find old things and they would put their name on it. They would claim it for themselves.

I think it's the nature of, I mean, during that period in the New Kingdom, in the 19th dynasty. It's all I did this, all me. Yeah, it was the height of dynastic Egyptians, Egypt's power and wealth. So they had all of this, I think, hubris and arrogance to make themselves one of the gods. And it's one of the, I think, these statues are, there's a lot to unpack in these, because I also happen to think that when you look at these massive statues, you can't really explain with the capabilities of the dynastic Egyptians, I think it also explains their iconography

because if they inherited these giant statues like those are the gods like you're looking at this imagine the statue of the size of the Statue of Liberty standing out in the desert and it's just sitting there looking at you with this face and the craftsmanship on these are amazing

kind of see it here you see how the eyeballs are like tilted down almost and it looks like a smile on the face from here but when you, it's perspective when you stand beneath them and you look up at them they're looking at you and it's not so much

it's not a smile it's just like a straight line it looks straight they've built they've shaped these faces for perspective as if you're viewing them from the ground

they're absolutely incredible and there's also been studies done on some of these to show the faces are pretty much perfectly symmetrical again that's crazy not something that you can achieve or not something that's done

in modern artwork the perfect symmetry that's not a it's not even a characteristic of a human face like we aren't like that our nostrils are different sizes and whatever but because we're hybrids we could be we're just we're imperfect we're imperfect beings joe i think they made us i mean they made us i think something came here from

somewhere else or something was already here and intervention theory did something with lower hominids uh have you read lloyd pie's work i've heard of it but i haven't read any of this everything you think you know is wrong fun lecture rest in peace lord he uh was and there's some interesting genetic evidence that's this I think suggests that as a possibility our chromosonal difference between us and other mammals of our type almost like we've had these the tellurides have been attached we've been genetically engineered we have Braden talks about that yeah we have some real strange characteristics for being on this planet like we dive exposure at 80 degrees in the shade we can't look at the sun you've seen dogs you've got a dog stare at the

sun like this you're like what are you doing like I'm fine why can't you do that I can't even see it in night. We have no benefit of the night vision. Yeah. It's interesting also when they look at all these other versions of humans that they find. Almost all of them were more durable. Oh, broom sticks to axe handles durable. Like it's multiple gaps of...

But isn't that kind of in the Bible? Doesn't the Bible say the meek shall inherit the Earth? Well, we're the meek when it comes to like... I think we're the meek. Yeah, we're just the meanish, maybe. We're the meanest. We're the meanest and the trickiest. Because we had to be.

Which is like all animals when, you know, You know, you have to, you're small, like hyenas are fucking ruthless. Oh, yeah. The reason why they're ruthless is because lions are bigger. They had to figure it out. You know, they'd just be fucking mean and nasty. And I think, I think we probably wiped out or interbred with everything that wasn't us. And that's a wrap.

Sorry, sorry, your big bones don't work on arrows. Yes. You dummies didn't figure out catapults yet. Guerrilla tactics. Yeah. Guerrilla tactics, technology. I mean, I think that's also probably one of the reasons why we're so obsessed with making better stuff, including weapons. Yeah, yeah.

You know? Yeah, I think so. I mean, there is, I don't rule out the, I mean, personally, my opinion, I think there's a either via panpspermia or intervention theory like that where we've been, there is a huge mystery as to both our species and then how life itself kind of kicked off. Like that's, even pan sperm is like kicking the can down the road problem. Like how do you, how does DNA happen? Because it's one of the most interesting things to me is like DNA as a technology has never changed, right? So from single cell organisms right down through to us, the way life is expressed as a technology, DNA, like how it expresses life has changed. But DNA, I don't think has changed.

Like it's like this one way that life expresses itself and how it forms is like the actual origins of life. It's DOS. It's DOS, it is a horse human operating system. Yeah. Life loss, life operating system, something like that. What is your take on those tridactal mummy? I have, I don't know. I think there's, I wouldn't.

Did you see Jesse Michael's episode on it? I literally, yeah, not all of it. I've seen some of it. Yes. Or the scans. You see the scans? I've seen the scans. Yeah, I saw some of the, I've seen a lot of the information.

I don't want to get tricked. So I'm like, but Jesse said that seeing them in person, I just talked to him about it. he said it was otherworldly he said it was incredibly strange like very very surreal seeing them in person because it really does feel like it's a different species like you're looking at some different species my take on that stuff is honestly it's it's like sure right it's i to me the whole the whole alien um other life in the universe was settled i mean it's a mathematical certainty like i just the Kepler mission showed it like it's a mathematical certainty that life has to exist in other places on the planet in some form

but and then you multiply that out across the the span of space and time is it possible that we're being visited is there something to these phenomena yes I think so it doesn't I'm I'm I'm skeptical that will ever really I hope maybe my lifetime will will know but I'm I would it change what I'm doing if we had that realization not particularly I don't think it's just like it'll be part of the Galactic Federation, I'd be like, well, that's cool. I think it'll give additional perspective. Like, let's just let's go way out there and put that fucking tinfoil hat on tight. If they open up the labyrinth, if they figure out a way to drain the water, and they do find

out that that 40 meter long metallic thing is something from another place. Interdimensional. Something from another place. Or maybe break up civilization. You know, there's a lot of people that think that there were, like, there's us, and then there's Neanderthals, right? And then there's, okay, they all coexisted at one point in time. What if this thing coexisted with us as well? And this is a different version of what we will eventually be, just like if, let's imagine human beings, we maintain a presence on this earth

for the next 30 million years. Let's just imagine that. Could be crazy, but it's happened before with crocodiles. If, right, if we did, what would chimpanzees be like 30 million years from now? Evolution wouldn't stop, right? Right, it's not going to stop. They're already using tools, right? There's speculation. I mean, there's various scientists that believe that you can make an argument that many primates are in the Stone Age. Yeah.

That they've entered into the Stone Age. So let's assume that this keeps moving in that general direction. Without our intervention, which I'm assuming some foreign countries probably would engage in that. And one of them might be America. You know, secretly? Like, if we're, look, if we're doing this gain of function research on viruses that wind up killing a million people, you don't think that we're going to, look, there's some sort of a, look, there was talk during the, I believe it was World War II, where Russia was, there was talk of some sort of a hybrid between a human being and a chimpanzee. I'm trying to devise that for soldiers. Yeah.

Yes. Real, right? That's real. Yeah, yeah. There's some very strange and interesting experiments that happened. So what if those little fuckers... Kept going? What if those little fuckers are like the OGs?

Like they're us like a million years from now and what we are, you know, the chimps are a million years later. Right. That's what we are right now currently. They are what we're going to be. Yeah. And then they went, fuck it, we're going to the ocean. Right. Well, fuck.

Right. Yes. That's a possibility. In fact, the breakaway civilization concept's not a new one either. Like, there's a lot of ancient cultures looked at places like even the moon as a, as a refuge. They would call it a refuge. Like, that's a whole other theory. Like, what's going on with the moon?

Is there, are there, is there something happening up there? Was there something that happened with it in the past? Right. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, to me, the whole, it's, all of these things are completely plausible. Like, I just, I don't, I try to actals or the. the, yeah, I mean, the UFO phenomena. I mean, this could have been going on for a long, long time. I wouldn't, I mean, I certainly would include some sort of otherworldly craft

as potentially one of the explanations for what that thing is beneath the ground at the labyrinth. Well, even if it's not another worldly craft, whatever the fuck was going on where someone could make a 40-meter long metallic thing, thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago, 40 meters is a half of a day. football field. Yeah, it's big. That's big. And stick it underground for some reason. Yeah, in a corridor or in a huge atrium. Okay. Yeah. Like what, all bets are off. If what those Italian scientists are saying is underneath the Giza plateau, all bets are off. You're looking at something that is like, as kooky as the pyramids are, that's the tip of the iceberg. True. Yeah,

and that's why I wanted to, the labyrinth was so interesting because, you know, that, that, that, their announcements around what they, these, you know, 800 meter shafts and massive cubes. kilometers deep under the plateau kind of came out of nowhere, but there is, there are these accounts for these other places like the labyrinth where there's, there's some like historical legitimacy to them, like there's been accounts of them. Although, you know, over time, what they're talking about beneath the Giza Plateau, maybe not to the full extent of what they're saying, I'm still having trouble with that, but there's certainly a lot more, we know there's a lot more down there, right, that we, at least the public has never discovered. We know that there

are, so beneath the bottom of the Asara shaft, for example, we know that there are further tunnels that go off from there, that go underneath it, the Asara shaft. For people who don't know, is one of the, it's like a, there's three passages, like three rooms and it goes down a little over 100 feet or so beneath the ground, beneath the causeway on the middle pyramid complex. You go down this big ladder, you go into one room, you go down another ladder, there's a big, room with boxes in it and you go down a further ladder to the bottom room which also has boxes in it today it's the water tables way up high but we know in the past this is one of the things that has recently come to light is that that down there in the bottom in the 1990s that was scanned

with ground penetrating radar at the bottom level and they found yep there are actually like four meter long eight feet high tunnels with dome ceilings below that even even further that Nobody, as far as we know, have ever explored. There are also tunnels leading off from that bottom level that head off towards the sphinx and they head off towards the pyramid. And in fact, they fork because there was a little known exploration done by a team of Japanese scientists in the early 2000s that got like a camera on a long pole and they shoved it down through the mud and they stuffed it about 20 metres into one of these tunnels.

And they found these man-made structures like tunnels and it forks. And it actually forks off and one seems to head towards the great. pyramid and one keeps going up towards kufra so there's tons of stuff below there and in fact if you ever go to the geiza plateau like that that causeway where if you're heading up towards the middle pyramid you've got the osiris shaft on the left but on the right you have i mean a 10 of these massive shafts that have that we don't really know how deep they are uh whether or not they've ever been fully excavated but they just go way down into the ground so it's this could be like you know it's like the very top layer of things that are being claimed by the

the Italian scientists and their scans. But there was, we know that these tunnels extend down to beneath the Sphinx, for example. Like there's long been rumored that there's a tunnel and entrance at the end, at the back of the Sphinx. In fact, if you go there, there's a little box and a little hole. It doesn't go anyway. I've stuck a camera in there and had a look. But this is what happened in the 1990s.

So, you know, John Anthony West, I'm sure you've seen the Mysteries of the Sphinx, right? Yeah, he's been on a couple times. Yeah, I know he has, but you've seen him. His work was wonderful documentary, Charlton Heston. Charlton Heston, yeah. That's when that archaeologist is mocking. Yes. Graham Hancock and John Anthony West.

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a hall of records. It talked about Edgar Casey. And he then denied after that John Anthony West and Robert Schock any permits to do any further work. But what's weird is that Zahey and Mark Lainer had this longstanding connection with the Edgar Casey Foundation, which is like a, it's this weird dichotomy. It's like on the public facing, they decry anything. thing Atlantis based, but then on the private side, they seem to be enabling explorations by the ARE. And in fact, they've been enabling the ARI to do drilling experiments and other

things at the Sphinx since the late 1970s. And there was an expedition, notorious one that no one ever knew what happened. It was called the shore expedition. Dr. Joseph Shore, Joseph Jehoto, and then a guy named Boris Saeed were running the shore expedition. And Boris Saeed was a friend of John Anthony West. He was the executive producer for. for Mysteries of the Sphinx. And this happened in like 95 through about 97, 1997. And they partnered up with Zahy, gave them a five-year unlimited permit to do whatever they wanted up at the, on the Giza Plateau.

And one of the stories that came out of that was a story. So Boris Saeed, who unfortunately has also passed away since. But he talked about filming Zahir, he said, well, we got to the back of the Sphinx. And he said, you know, we want to make another documentary like the, mysteries of the sphinx and he said well what if we open up a tunnel that no one's ever opened up before and he's like that that'd be great what sort of tunnel he said well a tunnel under the sphinx and boros he said that'd be fantastic so actually filmed him going into the rump of the sphinx standing down in there and saying you know the quote is something like even

indiana jones wouldn't believe that he was he was here we're standing inside the body of the sphinx nobody knows where this tunnel goes but we're going to open it for the first time and he's down in this space with it with basically a blocked up tunnel beneath the sphinx and this he filmed all of this but then this footage all disappeared so during the expedition it was kind of shut down and then they got into a legal dispute like like boris iid and joseph shaw got into this battle the footage was never seen but he went on art bell in the late 90s and talked about it and we're like god damn so this you know they also talked about this stuff at the osiris shaft they did that ground penetrating radar work they did sonic experiments in the great

pyramid there's a lot that happened at this shore expedition run by the edgar it was they're all ARE members, like, and the stated goal, Joseph Shaw was always to find the Hall of Records, right? I mean, this all continued into 2000s, too, with, with that, that organization. But there was all this tantalizing mystery of this footage, like, where the fuck is this footage? Apparently the Department of Justice had a copy of it because there was this lawsuit that was going on. And nobody knew. So this is, it's kind of out there. And then, and then it was only like earlier this year, it turns out that, so what happened, so Boris Soid was sick with liver cancer, but he was trying to raise funds to make this documentary.

So he put together this tape with some of this footage from this expedition. And he was selling VHS copies of it as a way to invest in this documentary. And then a couple, like a year later, that's when he passed away. So there's been a handful of these VHS tapes out there in random homes from the mid to late 90s, just sitting away with this tape. And then eventually someone this year actually digitized it, put it up on YouTube as an unlisted video. I found out about it. And so all of a sudden now we actually have this footage. We have Dahi going into the Sphinx at the back saying these words. Yeah. It's it. It's if

you, Jamie, if you pull up my, I think it's the latest or the couple of latest videos about the rare footage found from the Sphinx, it opens with that with that footage. Dude, thank God you're out there. I'm so excited you do this. It means so much to me that you do this. I love doing it. I know you do. when you find like I've known about this footage for years and years and and I'm like oh my god somebody found it yeah this is it here so there's ahy yeah so he's going into this tunnel yeah so you can still this still exist but then this is yeah this where he is now doesn't um what happened well the story gets more more intriguing so yeah this is the him saying the line saying we've never

opened this tunnel before we're in the body of the sphinx and we're going to figure out where it goes so Yeah, so after that, so Boris, they filmed that. This is the early days. So, yeah, I'm walking around the back here. I think I poked my camera in there. But I talk about it later on. It's, it's, so Boris Saeed, who had filmed this with Zahi,

he talks to them about let's make a contract, let's have Zahey open the tunnel. Like, we'll make the documentary about him opening this tunnel and we're going to show it to the world, you know? And they talked about it. He went back to New York and he never heard from them again. They never mentioned this contract, nothing. He never had any further contact with Zahi about it. And then funny thing happens in Egypt about, I don't know, eight, nine months later.

And this is as reported by Robert Boval and Graham Hancock in their book, Heaven's Mirror, and also I found it in the Arabic publications. But about eight, I think it was six to eight months later, Zahi makes an announcement in L.A.Ram and these Egyptian publications in Arabic that says, I've made this incredible discovery. I've discovered tunnels and chambers beneath the Giza Plateau that's going to change everything we know about the ancient Egyptians in the pyramids and he talked about finding three tunnels one that was like on the north one on the south and then one that was yet to be determined where it went and he made this announcement and then never said another word about it ever again

in the and this is just in the Arabic papers and here's the funny thing is but it could it be because there's nothing there uh i suspect something else I suspect that even if there was nothing there, you'd still stick, he would have stuck a camera down and looked at it. I suspect, I think it's more likely that, yeah, they found something that might have upset the Apple cart and it doesn't get in. Could you imagine if they are sitting on information? Oh, I think. You think they are? Yes.

Yeah, I do. I think there's been plenty of excavations and discoveries that I think were inconvenient for one reason or the other that have probably never seen the light of day. that's a crime against humanity a little bit i i think so i mean it's you know the funny thing that he's what he said to when he's when i read that comment he makes about three tunnels that's that's that's that's what aladresi and uh almas i'm saddi said as well like these these herodotus of the arab's like six to eight hundred um ad when they went they described the same damp the three tunnels like chambers and rooms it's it's like lining up with these just same as the labyrinth like it's lining up with these historical accounts and then it's just

you don't hear another word about it and when you go to the sphinx today and you you finally you pop that little box off its butt it the whole thing's been backfilled like the whole it's where where you see that camera where zahy was standing that's still beam still there but where his head level is where he's standing hey this tunnel goes it's like the dirt level's here now like it's it's all been backfilled that's so crazy yeah that's so why would you do that if there wasn't something in there you would only do it if there's something in there unless it caved in yeah to be honest it's it's my concern also with the great pyramid and the chamber there is that i first of all have my suspicions that they may well have already taken a peek with an endoscopic camera into that

hidden void so this is you know the scan pyramid project suspicion is based on anything in particular no no i just no just just just my experience with um how they do things yes so it's always i mean i just there's very little transparency when it comes to a lot of these digs and stuff. And this isn't just the Egypt. This is, I think, I mean, it's not a criticism. It's maybe more characteristic of archaeological digs everywhere. Sometimes the way this works is you might have to wait 20 or 30 years or a decade for information to come out because then it has to get perfectly.

Someone has to publish a paper. They sit on that information until that point. Or maybe it never sees the light of day. I mean. because it's inconvenient well I do I do think that I mean anything that's going to like seriously upset the

apple cart like if you came out and found something that was damn we found the Hall of Records you know we found this this evidence that is incontrovertible that suggests that there was a predecessor culture and a predecessor civilization to the ancient Egyptians I think

there would be some long and hard thinking about whether or not we actually release that because it's going to make everybody look back you know what I mean like it's It upsets. Isn't crazy, though, that make everybody look bad would be the motivation to keep one of the most important discoveries ever from the human race? I agree, yes. Fucking nuts that we're even thinking about this. And I love your approach.

I think you're absolutely right, too, is even if these figures, all they'd have to do is embrace it. All they'd have to say is look at what we learned. And everyone would be like, that's amazing. It's still Egyptians. It's Egyptians that go back 30,000 years. or whatever it is, or more. That's so crazy. But also, wouldn't that excite more people

to be more interested? Wouldn't that increase the economy? Wouldn't that increase the tourism? It would increase everything. Yes, it would. It would make everybody more excited about archaeology. I think you've got to embrace the mystery. There was a trend towards squishing it for all.

There's no way you could know everything. It's not possible, especially when you're finding these new things. It's clear you don't know everything. If they're finding new things, you don't know everything. If there's a 40 meter long metallic object in a labyrinth

that's in a giant atrium that's under the fucking ground, you don't know everything. Yeah, I think it's worth taking a look. Like, geez, you think? Yeah, I mean, let's at least take a look. Let's drill like a hole.

Like, figure out, we know where from the scan, kind of where it is. Like, stick a ballhole down and... We were talking before you were saying that there might be a possibility of digging a tunnel under the water

through into the bottom because the actual area where it is is not in the water. So the scan seemed to indicate it. is likely free of water is the terminology I heard from the scan interpretations. It's true to say that the issue with the water at Hawara in the Labyrinth is the groundwater. So it's this seepage that's coming in from the north.

And so presumably at some point you do get to a form of bedrock that may will be impermeable. And if it's sealed and you're cut into that structure, then yeah, you may well be free of water. Or it might be, you know, it seems like the ground water. Hopefully they don't fuck up and let the water through the hole. Or they're trying to dig a tunnel and flood that too. For sure, some of it's in the world. Like the upper levels of the labyrinth. So from the ground penetrating radar scans at the Madahar Expedition,

I mean, you have these granite blocks that are like three, four meters wide and this huge labyrinthine structure. That's sitting in, I mean, I'm sure it's full of sediment too. Like, it's not like, there may be some cavities and open. Everyone's like, can we dive on them? Like, it's full of, it's literally mud and sediment a lot of it. And that's sitting in this sort of salty brackish groundwater that I suspect is not going to do great things to that granite if it's left for another 50-100 years or more. So there is a pressure

to remediate this problem and I think to save what's down there. The deeper layers, however, seem like there's a possibility that they're free of water. Has there been any proposal to do that? Is there any proposal to figure out a way to reroute the water? Dave, so this is what I talked about in the video. There were some studies that started to happen to try and do that. And then the guy who was running the study got thrown in jail for talking about it and then nothing since that nothing since as far as i know tell zahi you can come on again if he does it i'll have him back on i'll mention it i would love to i would i would i mean i think it's a solvable problem though that's the thing we'll get zahi to do mushrooms that's what we have to do yeah we have to get him to just drop it all

cut the bullshit become the sun god yeah no i don't yeah just let everybody love you for doing that because they would if we just changed turned turned a new page yeah just said all right Let's go crazy. I think, yes. Yeah, he's, yeah. He wants to be loved. He wants to be respected. He does.

Everybody does. True. Open it up, baby. Let's go. Give me a hug. Open it up. Start digging. Yeah, let's go.

Let's sing some ball halls and get some pumps in there and like get this water out of here. I mean, these are those moments where I wish Osilin Musk. Because you want an engineer to get involved as well. You need all of that. Yeah. You need like Army Corps of Engineers. Someone who's going to be able to figure out how to move water. a real big french drain you know just figure it out it can be done it might take decades but

it can be done i think it can be done the result would be insane i think you could do it too in like a targeted search i think you could do start in a small area where you know you do some more i mean more surveys too like more more gpr more surveys more scans and and really narrow in on like a section and then like let's see if it's if what we're seeing on these scans is is there then maybe do the site. I have a feeling it's one of many. I really do. Oh, no. Yeah. I have a feeling that whole area, that whole complex. You're going to go as if they can really prove that there have been civilizations that have been there for 10, 20, 30,000 years, I think. At Desjardin, we speak business. We speak startup funding and comprehensive game plans. We've mastered

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When you fly in Emirates business class and you're picked up by your private, luxury, chauffeur-driven car, you'll see that your vacation isn't really over until your flight is over. Fly, Emirates. Fly better. It's going to reveal itself one layer of the onion at a time. Right. And it's today, it's like it is a symptom of the climate that we only really look in the Nile Valley, right? Because the dynastic Egyptians settled in the Nile Valley because when they started, it was a desert.

That was the habitable part. But if you open up the possibility that there's a precursor civilization that was existing in the millennia prior to that. Now you've got the Sahara. You've got to figure out where the lakes, The river systems, the lake basins were, and there's very little of the Sahara that's fully, you know, we're not looking under the sand there. We're developing new scanning techniques. Let's start looking there. Because I think there's a, you know, the Assyrians, this crazy place at the back of Temple of Sedi I first in Abidos.

And it's sitting on top of this aquifer. It's like this big subterranean granite structure. And I'm like, I bet this is, this was, I think, clearly some sort of functional thing. And I bet there's a bunch more of these. But we just don't know where they are. because they're under the ground. We just found this one. Well, Setti found it when he built his temple, and he's like,

holy shit, we found this giant granite subterranean structure. Let's turn the temple this way. But, yeah, I think there's a strong possibility as well that there's a lot more of that stuff. And even, to be to their credit, like archaeologists suggest the same. Like the scope and scale of what is under the sand in Egypt. I mean, I think even most mainstream archaeologists will tell you, like 70% of it still as yet undiscovered, at least. That is so crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say when you look at what has been discovered.

That's nothing quite like it. I mean, Luxor, what do they say? The stats around Luxor is like one third of the world's antiquities in this one area just at Luxem. And it's not even the Giza Plateau. That's just, that's upper Egypt down at Luxor with the West Bank and the Valley of the Kings and Karnak Temple. It's astonishing. And they're still digging stuff up. There's a, the temple of Ammonhotep, the second or third is Nick.

No, Klosive Memnon, these giant six, seven, hundred-ton statues are like the front door to it, and they're slowly excavating this monstrous temple behind it, and they keep finding these remnants of these colossal statues. I've heard rumors, just rumors. I'm going to Egypt, like, next week. Hopefully we can, I want to get a look at this. And I've heard rumors that they found like a hand from a statue that's even bigger than the biggest ones we've found so far. So they might have found a segment of a statue that was one of the largest ever, which would be astonishing, because who knows? I mean, that, there's some evidence that they made stuff like that i mean we talk about a thousand tons and that's

mind-boggling enough but there's actually a quarry in egypt called minya it's like the unfinished obelisk right it's like the unfinished obelisk right it's like the unfinished obelisked they never pulled it out it's 1200 tons but at minya there's these it's like limestone and these they've cut these blocks out they're still attached they've made these blocks and there's even an inscription like a rough inscription of a seated uh fair like a seated figure on a throne sort of drawn on that's what they were going as if that's where they were going for But if you take the density of the limestone in the Minya region and you calculate its volume, it's in the realm of 5,000 tons.

Oh, my God. Yeah, it's, who knows what they, what was there originally. I mean, I just, I think it's, it's baffling enough that we have this, you know, these logistical achievements in that, in that anything above really three, 400 tons is, Christ, above a hundred tons over any distance is a massive challenge for anyone. I mean, us to move that sort of a load over the

roads and things we have now. I mean, shit, even in Peru you find similar logistical achievements. I just came back from five weeks in Peru. I want to talk about that would have to be so bad. So let's pause real quick and we'll be right back. Sorry. Sorry about that, folks. And we're back. Have you speculated

why they wanted things so big? Or was it just that they had the ability all of a sudden, at one point in time in their development? I mean, you can't make, to me, any argument that these giant statues are functional. They're clearly symbolic. And it's almost like a challenge to history. It's a monument through history. I mean, there's some indication that things like the pyramid, the great pyramid, are markers

and, you know, their demonstrations of their knowledge and capability. we can talk about that in a minute but there's with the statues it's no it's to me it's just like look at us look how mighty we're like it's like the same reason we mean why do we make

Mount Rushmore or we make some big money it's like to to leave a monument or it's some sort of marker behind I mean the Sphinx for example could be a marker in time when you look at it in terms of the great cycle the fact that it was likely a lion

and you know it's facing due east so that it could well be a marker for a particular moment during the processional cycle. Which could be either like 10,500 BC or 35,000 BC or plus 25,920 years. So it's each cycle of that. So this is the thing. I mean, the Sphinx, I mean, it's been talked about, even like again, we go back to

Diodorus Siculus and Strabo and Herodotus, they talked about the Sphinx being vastly older. They're hearing things about it being older. Gaston Maspero and a lot of the archaeologists, the early explorers for that region, also mentioned it being 12 plus thousand years old, it being this ancient monument and there's strong evidence to support that in that, I mean, you have statues of sphinxes that predate Kufra, for example. So when he apparently built it, like there's already, we see statues and imitations of sphinxes, also lions. Before that time, you have the, what's called the

inventory stelae or the stele of Kufu's daughter, which was a statue that Kufu being Kufu Kufra's father. So Kufu Great Pyramid, Kufra, middle, middle pyramid. This is rarely acknowledged, but it tells the story that Kufu was trying to repair the Sphinx and dig it out of the sand. He's Kufra's father, so it's Kupi older. But also the name, like the oldest name for the sphinx is Ruti, and it's the two lions. It's Sekmet and what's the name of the other lion? I can't, I have it here. what is it uh i can't remember the name of the other lion god but it's it literally means

two lions and gate so it's like this lion's gate it's guarding a gate but this is one of the oldest names for it so if it was indeed a lion and it's facing due east and we know that that things like procession of the processional cycles processional numerology is deeply embedded in many, many cultures all around the world. This is one of the other key bits of context that seems to point to a consolidated origin point for knowledge and data of the cosmos and of geodetic data.

But knowledge of the procession of the equinoxes is one of those, which is the, you know, basically you mark this by what constellation is behind the rising sun on the vernal equinox facing east. So as we look east today, it's somewhere between the constellation of Pisces and Aquarius. and and it's it's a it's a cycle that denotes or is due to the earth's wobble right so we have we have

at least three motions of of the planet we have the you know like the rotation of the earth so 24 hour cycle we have the orbit of the earth around the sun 365 and a quarter days and then you have the processional wobble there's a couple more actually and that is and that is basically the earth as it spins does this it describes this little like it's it's it's axis It describes a circle in space which changes the constellate. And it's a cycle that takes around 26,000 years, 25,920 is the typical description for it. And what that means is the backdrop of stars, you know, as we're looking at any time, is slowly changing. It changes only one degree every 72 years.

So if you're looking at the horizon, like the width of your thumb over 72 years, basically the relative to the sun the constellations behind the sun shift so today it's Pisces and we're moving into the age of Aquarius and before Pisces was the age of Ares and before Ares was the age of Taurus and you go back front and get to Leo the lion

which is another I mean this the symbology and certainly the dynastic Egyptians as well as many others had very similar constellations and names for all of these constellations that we do so I think there's a good indication that Sphinx could be a essentially a processional marker talking about a specific time, which in our current cycle

would have been, I think, yeah, around 10,000 something BC, but you could potentially add a whole cycle onto that to go back another nearly 26,000 years, which is an interesting possibility. It's interesting, but it's also nuts. It's nuts. It's nuts comparative to our conventional timeline. What is the conventional timeline for the acceptance? of astrological signs constellations

this is I mean there's no doubt about the I mean the processional cycle is an observable right thing it's it's but naming them like cancer Leo I don't I don't actually know it goes back it's it's very common across multiple cultures one of the craziest things actually depicted on the

ceiling of the temple of Dendera in ancient Egypt the same constellations that we have Pisces the fish aries the ram you know let's look what do you think is the oldest accepted like if we put it into perplexity what do you think is the oldest accepted I would suspect it's either it's either the Egyptians or the Samarians because that's about as far back as

written knowledge goes I mean it was the Samarians followed by the Egyptians I don't know what there if the Samarians had a Zodiacal acknowledgement but certainly the dynastic Egyptians did and that seems to progress from there down every everyone and the interesting thing this we have a sponsor perplexity Yeah, AI sponsor. So Clay Tablets from Mesopotamia, Sumerian, later Babylonian, and the late second millennial, BC give the oldest secure written constellation names, including the figures like the lion,

the bull, and the scorpion. These early star lists, such as Babylonian, three stars each catalogs, and later the M-U-L-L-A-P-I-N tablets. What is that? You know what that is? No. Systematically record stars and constellations, and were compiled roughly between 1,200 and 1,000. thousand BCE drawing on an even old on even older tradition so it's at least a thousand BCE yeah it says here that the iconography of star animals similar to these

constellations appear on prehistoric seals vases and gaming boards from Mesopotamia may go back as far as 4,000 BC I think I think if you go to like go Beckley Tepe and then Martin Swetman's theories that that a lot of the the animal depictions on there may be just may be showing constellations I don't believe they're this the typical zodiacal constellations. But it's, I mean, what's interesting is... Let's see. Are they found in Gobeckley-Tepe?

Let's see what perplexity thinks. No clear universally accepted constellation names have been identified at Gobeckley-Tepi, but some carvings appear to depict animals in positions that may correspond to parts of later constellations such as Scorpius, Sagittarius, or Cygnus? Cygnus? Cygnus. Cygnus? Cygnus.

Signa. According to a minority of researchers, most archaeologists remain cautious. Yeah, minority being Martin Swetman probably. Seeing these are powerful symbolic animal figures like a scorpion, vulture, and other birds of prey, and arguing that firm links to a true zodiac or named constellations are speculative. But interesting. Yeah. Yeah, it's remarkable.

I mean, and more so even just than those markers is one of the, I mean, for me, it's, sacred geometry and the processional numerology that's encoded I mean this is hamlet's mill what's what's in the book hamlet's mill that essentially shows you that this a lot of this sacred geometry which is it's like a numeral system or these sacred numbers that are repeated through geometry time distance even cosmic cycles as we measure them and then they appear again and again through ancient cultures and in their origin stories and even in their architecture. I mean, the, you know, the Great Pyramid's probably the best example at being the, I mean, I'm sure we've heard that it's like a scale model of the northern

hemisphere at a ratio of 43,200 to 1. It's absolutely insane. And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, when you, when you consider it from that perspective, knowledge that we can't explain, uh, through the dynastic Egyptians or by any capabilities that they had. Uh, it encodes geodetic data. In terms of the very specific shape of the earth, it being an oblate spheroid, like it encodes that information in it. How so? Well, so 43,200 is an interesting number to start with just because the number of seconds in a day is 86,400. So in 12 hours of the day, in like the amount of sun, like basically the amount of time on a hemisphere or in half of a day in exactly 12 hours is 43,200.

It's 432 is one of those numbers that shows up again and again and again and again. So the Great Pyramid at a ratio of 43,200 to 1 is essentially a scale model of the Northern Hemisphere. If you take the height of the Great Pyramid and this includes the socle that it sits on, but you take that height, you multiply it by 43,200, you get the polar radius of the Earth. So from the center of the Earth to the North Pole, almost exactly within a couple hundred feet. and even more impressive is when you take the perimeter length of the Great Pyramid and you multiply that by 42,200, you get the equatorial circumference of the Earth. Within about 300 feet, which is super interesting because it's flexible, it changes.

So as we've always known, there's been multiple surveys since the 1800s of the Great Pyramid and once its base was cleared off and we got its perimeter length. And then we've also had surveys looking at, you know, how big is the Earth? Aristotle is in like 5,600 AD in Greece. He was the first one to give it a go by measuring sort of the angle of, you know, the shadow in two different places over a few years. And he got the circumference of the Earth to win about 500 miles. That was as close as we got until, you know, the 1800s. And then the advent of modern satellite surveys in the 1970s and 1980s.

And the funny thing is, is that the more advanced we got, as we step closer and closer and right up to the modern satellite surveys, the closer the number came to what the Great Pyramid represents at this ratio of 43,200, right up to the point where it's like the most modern, I think the surveys done in the 80s are still the ones we use today looking at the actual circumference of the earth is within about 300 feet of the measure of the Great Pyramid, which makes, I mean, that's within the margin of error, it's within the variability of the margin of the earth because of the circumference of the earth because you have like the moon and the sun on one side it literally would you measure it every day it's going to change about

two or three hundred feet just because gravitational forces are pushing on the earth so that also means that it's what interesting is if in in two seconds of time if you were standing on the equator then the earth rotates precisely the length of the perimeter of the great pyramid so in two seconds it goes basically the earth turns the same length as the perimeter length of the great pyramid what's even crazier and so you have you have this measure expressed in distance and in time given that's this significant number that measures the amount of seconds in 12 hours it also encodes geodetic data so the earth isn't a perfect sphere right we deviate from being a perfect sphere because, and this is, thank Christ, because it's like that rotation that

the oblate spheroide nature of the earth, the, what's it called, the spin, the, shit, I won't die, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, like a dryer, some reason I can't think of the word, it's flattening our tops a little bit and we bulge a little bit at the center around the equator, right? So it's like that that spin force is making us bulge a bit. So what it means is that if you measure the earth this way, like north to south, around and then east to west, it's going to be slightly longer east to west. How's like? I think it's something like 70 or 80, no, 40 miles, I think is the difference, something like that.

Maybe that's the radius difference. But it's, I think, yeah, radius or diameter might be 30. 40 miles difference is just this is this slight equatorial bulge and what it means is that you know when you draw latitude and longitude lines on the planet and that latitude being north-south longitude being east-west if you get down to the equator now obviously they you know the shapes of them change as you go up towards the poles but the the the latitude lines are straight I saw this recently I don't know how accurate it is it says it's accurate that's earth without water without water that's nuts yeah rocky little

in it. Bro. That's crazy. Yeah, some of those oceans are deep. I don't know where that. Yeah, you think? Yeah. That's cool.

That's bananas. That almost looks exaggerated to me that a little bit. Wow. The most accurate model of Earth shape accounting not only for its rotation, but also for the distribution of the masses inside the planet, making the surface slightly uneven and deviating from a perfect sphere. Unlike a school globe, which depicts Earth as an ideal ball, the geoid resembles a slightly flattened at the poles and bulging at the equator of

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So if you cut that down into like 60 seconds of latitude and longitude, it's a smaller little square, but same proportions. You have the same ratio. And if you actually take the Great Pyramid, so the thing to understand about the Great Pyramid is that it sits on a socle. I don't know if I've talked about this before, but so we know because we have casing stones, we have that 51 degrees, 51 minutes,

angle of these casing stones so we were able to really act and we have a few of those still around the base from where they fell off so from that we can determine the height and we also have this perimeter length using the casing stones pretty very accurately the survey and now those casing stones it doesn't sit direct on the bedrock the pyramid actually sits on top of a 55 centimeter socle so it's this it's this little platform that sticks it sticks out about this much and it's 55 centimeters high and it's like sticks out so you have the casing stones and you have this little sockle that it sits on so you have these two methods of measuring the pyramid you can measure the perimeter length around the casing stones or you can measure the perimeter length around the socle sockle's slightly larger and if you

the funny thing is is if you get down to one quarter of one second of latitude and longitude at the equator the longitude is exactly within inch or to the perimeter length of the socle and the latitude, the north-south, is the perimeter length of the pyramid. So it's encoding the geodetic shape of the earth. The ratio of latitude to longitude is encoded incredibly accurately

in these perimeter lengths on the pyramid. And it's just, that's just... It's just a coincidence. Well, so this would be the skeptic reductionist answer to this stuff is that you say well you're just playing with numbers it's like well it's it's the numbers are there none of those things none of you can anyone can check that data for themselves like the 43,200 to one ratio of the pyramid the fact that that's the number of seconds in 12 hours of the day there's so many I mean this this by the way 4322 turns up all

over the place the Kali Yuga said to be 43,200 years old the radius of the sun is 432,000 miles. The king's list from the Samarians is a total of 43,200, oh no, 432,000 years with one king reigning for 43,200 years. So this 432 is one of those sacred geometry numbers that keeps turning up again and again. But what's always been fascinating to me in the geodetic information encode in the Great Pyramid is like you have to understand the shape and size of the earth to get that ratio so accurately embedded in that monument and we weren't able to do that basically until really

recently with satellite servers but we certainly weren't able to measure longitude even until like the turn of the 18th century like James Cook's second voyage of discovery we couldn't measure we couldn't accurately figure out where we were on those on those those those east to west traverses like accurately reflecting longitude in the pyramid is is a it's astonishing it's one of those things that also relates to ancient maps, having accurate coastlines with longitude on them. But what seems clear is that somebody at some point in the past had very accurate knowledge, not only of cosmic cycles, but also of the shape and size of the Earth itself. Like in terms of they surveyed it, they understood its shape,

they understood the ratio of latitude to longitude on the planet, and it's all encoded in this monument. And it's just kind of scratching the surface on what's in the, you know, encoded in their great pyramid, but, I mean, the numbers are all there. You can add these up. Have you ever had a debate with anybody that thinks that this is all coincidence and that you could take these numbers and just kind of monkey around with them and make any kind of equation you want if you just draw arbitrary distances between certain things? No, not not. Because some people do believe that, right?

Yeah, I mean, so I think there's a difference between when you talk about numbers versus ratios like it does once you get to ratios then it doesn't matter how you measure them like it's like the ratio it doesn't matter you measure them in mosquito dicks or inches or whatever right it's it's all centimeters so ratios are one thing numbers I there is a lot of mean the whole system of measurement how we measure time the imperial system of measurement where the mile comes from all of that stuff does have these deep roots in sacred geometry and and basically cosmic then that's again I think all pointing towards a common system or a common set of knowledge that came from, but I've not debated somebody about this.

I don't know that you, I mean, you can't really question the numbers, but there's some incredible, just I guess, coincidences that are in this whole system that do point towards, like, I mean, they get really crazy. So here's, here's another one, which I just, this one just pickles my noodle. It's, so, you know, we know that I've said this before. I think that the sun is, you know, the moon's 400 times small in the sun. And it's. The sun's 400 times further away, so you get this. That's how we get total solar eclipses. That's really nice.

But there's also another sacred number encoded in their ratios relative to their diameters in the distance from Earth that's the same between the moon and the sun. And that's 108. So if you take the diameter of the moon at whatever it is, 2160 miles, by the way, 2160 is also the length of a great month in the processional cycle. That's 112th of 25,920. but 2160 miles times 108 that gives you the more or less the distance between of the moon to the earth so moons uh yeah so it's a moon's diameter times 108 gives you the distance to the earth

the sun's diameter um which is 86,400 miles which is the number of seconds in a 24 hour period times that by 108 and you get this that's the distance of the sun from the earth so it's like relationship between their diameter and their distance from the earth is exactly the same between the sun and the moon and it's 108 that that ratio so it's the lunar lunar diameter over lunar distance equals solar diameter over solar distance and i mean what a coincidence what a coincidence yeah and it's a hundred and eight and by the way there are temples and places like cambodia that have 108 pillars like a hundred and eight's another one of these sacred numbers that have been encoded into the way we measure stuff the way we count for time so this is this is a huge

There's a huge sort of rabbit hole of sacred geometry and processional numerology that seems to point to some point in the past, someone having all of this understanding to create these systems and to measure things and to do so accurately to the point where the more accurate we get in our measurements, the closer we get to these ratios and data reflected in these ancient structures. It's just, and you can't attribute that to these, the cultures that were on those like the ancient Egyptians or the Greeks. It's like, where did this information come from? And how come it's represented in cultures from, you know, the Norse mythology through, you know, South American Native Indian myths to, you know, these numbers show up again and again, as was

shown by Hamlet's Mill, this book that basically this tome that put that information together and say, Well, this, all of it seems to point to this, you know, this origin point of someone with this information. And it's just, it's one more of these contextual points when you combine it with the human timeline and climate and cataclysm and the, all the endless other other contradictions in the megalithic architecture on these sites and stuff like that, that makes this concept that we've been advanced, significantly advanced, us or someone has. And they've, they've left all these signs and signals and breadcrumbs for us to try and follow to figure out. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, the pyramid is cool.

It is just, whoa. It is my favorite subject of all time. Yeah. The lost civilization subject, I think, is my favorite subject, because it ties all of them together. You know, and in the mystery of the human origins, all of it. Yeah, it's just, I think it's plausible. I think it's probable even that we've risen and have been. wiped out. I mean, I think I was just saying I just spent five weeks in Peru again. I just came

back like 10 days ago. And I mean, that place more than anywhere else is both more mysterious and more obvious that there was something else going on long time ago. More obvious. Yeah, more of in the delta between these technological levels. So in Egypt, you know, it didn't, I don't, you never want to underestimate what the dynastic Egyptians were capable of. They had this long civilization of 300 or sorry, 3,000 years, and they did some incredible work. So, you know, they're really good stonework. It gets the lines can get a little blurred. I mean, you still see the difference.

But in Peru, it's different, particularly in the Sacred Valley, places like Tijuana in Bolivia. But there you have these very distinct lines, like in terms of technology in the stonework and the layering of the stonework in that place. I mean, typically, mostly all attributed to the Inca, but the Inca, really only around for like maybe 300 years maximum at their, the Inca empire was barely a hundred years before the Spanish wiped them out in 1533. And so it's relatively young, right? It's a 1,200 AD roughly to 1533. And they attribute most everything to the Inker. And it's just not,

you just look at it and go, this is not remotely possible. It's, there's a huge difference. You see these, these three different layers of architecture. There's a guy in Peru that has been researching this stuff for 50 plus years, him and his father, Jesus Gamara, who has his classification system for the architecture in Peru. So you have, he calls him Hananpacha, Uranpacha, Iqunpacca, the three levels. This has, these words have many meanings in Quechua. But it starts with like the oldest stuff seems to be this monolithic, carved, really bizarrely carved mountains, like rock, bedrock.

It's not, they're not blocks. it seems vastly ancient there's all these channels and massive structures and shapes carved into the living rock of the mountain and just like the lowest level usually shows the most erosion

then you have the megalithic stuff like you're like Saxe Wan you've seen pictures of that you know Saxe Waman and the core of Machu Picchu Alliante Tamba these giant or the streets of Kuska these huge megalithic blocks that are all

got these perfect joins between them you can't fit a razor blade in between them they're flowing, they're mortalist walls, they're, they're incredible. It's one of the best, the most amazing parts of the Sacred Valley is the proliferation of this sort of megalithic work. But then on top of that, you have the Inka work, the Ikunpatcha. It's literally cobblestones that are put together with mud mortar. It's like a local rock and they've stuck it together.

And so you have this, you have this very distinct layers. I have pictures of this stuff, Jamie, in the South America directory on there. But it's super clear. Like, there's no blending. Like, it's like, boom, okay, here's the oldest layer, here's the next layer, here's the Inka. And it's always in that order. Like, it's always like 100patchel on the bottom, then the megalithic stuff on top, and then the Inca work on top of that because they were repairing stuff.

So even the Inca never talked about them making sites like Saxe Wauman. They have all these other stories for it, like the, you know, the giants built it as one of the explanations you work. Yeah, this is a great example. So this is the Inti Punke of the Sungate. So you see the difference, you see that clear distinction in the architecture. You have the megalithic stuff, and then you have the repair work on top, the cobblestone work. And there's just, this is all, once you see this, you can't really unsee it as you go all over the Sacred Valley. And some of these, some of these, this is small compared to the type of stuff you see in Saxe-Waman, where some of the blocks get up towards 200 tons, 150 plus tons, and all of the same type of stone.

Yeah, this is Tijuana. And so, you know, there's this long history of unknown. And so in Egypt, you have this connection, a cultural connection. You know, they have their Kingslist. They have, they talk about Zeptepi. They clearly have this connection to whatever builder culture was there. They talk about it. I mean, it's part of their origin stories.

But in South America, you have something else happened. Like, there's a big gap. Like, you don't have the Inca, don't have that precursor culture. They came from the south. They talk of their origin story comes from Lake Titicaca up into the Sacred Valley. and then they took over. There are a couple of precursor cultures to the Inca, but there's this huge, it's like we just don't know what happened.

You know, there are other sites in Peru, like Graham Hancock's been out there recently. I was out there just recently too. There are pyramid sites in Peru that are 5,000 years old. Places like Corral. They're not sophisticated. It's incredible work in terms of the amount of stone that's been used, but it's not, you know, it's not megalithic or,

or precise, but there are pyramid cultures that stretch back at least 5,000 years. But in terms of the real megalithic precision work in Southern America, we have no clue who did that. In fact, there's probably the strangest site. One of my favorites is Puma Punku, Tijuana, you heard of this place in Bolivia. Sure. Tough to get to. It's amazing. It's up on the high Altaplano, like 12,500 feet above sea level.

it's like nothing else on the planet the stonework there is massive it's precise it's playful there are just endless 90 degree turns perfectly polished surfaces like saw marks cut marks it's some images of this yeah I have a Tijuanaacu directory there Jamie

and then and it's it's quite well preserved because it was buried in mud it's been slowly been excavated and it's there's there is a lot of evidence that suggests this place is at least 10 to 12,000 years old again using um yeah endless like this sort of andesite work see there's a left turn arrow for some reason but but it's this playful nature if you like the h blocks are famous at this

place but they just have these endless little insets and durns like stuff like this like this is one of my favorite blocks to show people that is a you're looking down on top so the ground's down so i'm looking down this thin channel that's been cut into this block and it has all of these little drill holes in it. And these are like tiny little drill holes and this channel's about this wide and it's cut into this blog. You have several blocks with features like this. Like it's clearly something's been attached to this. Like it's how how do you cut this in stone? And this is you know, thousands of years old. But it's it's a remarkable site full of these sort of examples. And it's attributed in general to, uh,

a culture that lived there around 1,100 ADs. He's still, they're still digging stuff out of the, out of the ground. It was, it was destroyed in a cataclysm, or just some sort of massive mud flood, I think, was the end of this civilization. However, that's me and Graham. And this is at 12,000 feet? 12.5, yeah. So what would be the reason for establishing a civilization at 12,000 feet?

It gets strange because there's, so the modern. First, the modern dating for it comes from a handful of carbon dates, right? They found some carbon dates, and they go, okay, 1,100 AD. But they've also found carbon dates that go back to 1,500 BC, and they just dismiss them as being unreliable. I literally think these carbon dates could literally be the last person. Someone lit a campfire there or was buried there. There's a guy named Arthur Posnansky, who's a Polish professor that lived,

he spent 50 years on this site, died in LaPaz, published his works, 1945. I have a copy of his books, The Cradle of American Man, it's called. He spent 50 years investigating this site. He dated it at 15,000 BC based on a whole range of other, like geological data, astro-archological dating, which it has these alignment properties we can talk about. He found the skull of a toxidon there, which toxidon is an extinct Pleistocene-era mammal that went out in the younger driest 13,000 BC. There seems to be depictions of saber-tooth tigers and smilodons in some of the

the artwork there. So you have some poom, they say they're all pumas, but some of them have small canines. Some of them have really big canines. I mean, why is there a difference here? He dates it culturally in terms of it being the origin point for not only other cultures in South America, but also Central and North America through the symbology, the chakanas, the ink and cross, there's all these other features. So he used a whole raft of scientific techniques to date that site and to support his conclusion that it was vastly ancient. And then that's kind of all been thrown aside because they found a few carbon remains that were at the 1,100 AD mark. Why would you build a civilization there at that altitude?

You wouldn't. You just wouldn't. It's too hard. It's above the tree line. There's no natural trees. And this is, it gets wacky because today, Tijuana was a port. Like they admit like this, even the archaeologists, they talk about Puma Punku, it's like a port. There was something industrial happening there.

The stone, if you look at Posnanski's a real. original images with the there's all sorts of interlocking bits of stone and sluice gates and hydrodynamic features on this place is a giant step pyramid that had this reservoir in the sense it's crazy but they tell you it's a port and it was a port on on lake titicaca which today is about 10 miles away the shoreline is about 10 miles away h s bellamy in the 1800s discovered a strand line that runs basically through where tuanoku was so strand line is like you know basically the shoreline of an ancient water, body of water, and it can be formed through just gentle wave action over a long period of time. It can be formed from like a high intensity period

of waves, you know, something hammering a shoreline. But he measured this, he found this shoreline that runs about 400 miles. So it's like across the Altaplano from Silasani in the north, way down south towards La Paz. But he documented this strand line. What's really weird, And at that strand line, Tewanako would have been at the shores of Lake Tidiki. It would have been a small island or a peninsula. The lake level would have been right there. And that fits it being a port. However, the strand line is today, it's tilted.

The strand line's tilted. So obviously water when it makes, you know, a body of water when it makes a strand line, it's flat. Like it's, it finds its level. But only geological processes, and I assume over a fair amount of time, can give it this tilt of a couple degrees, which is what they've measured. There's no doubt there is a strand line, but it's tilted. So I question whether in the period that they say Tijuanau was built 1,100 AD, less than a thousand years between then and now that there's been enough geological upheaval in the Andes

to tilt this strand line a couple of degrees. I don't think it can happen anything like that fast. I think this strand line and the evidence that it was a port shows us that this city was in fact vastly more ancient than that, and that it was destroyed by, by cataclysm, by flooding from the melting of the glaciers in the Andes. There's been, there's strong evidence there that it's seen several, it may have seen multiple cycles of glaciation. And the climate would have been different during this period, like the climate changed

to make it this arid, sort of inhospitable place that it is today, like where it's just tough to exist at 12,500 feet above the tree line where hardly anything except like for varieties of potato grow, they must have had better climate or, I don't know, lower altitude, but a better climate at least. Lower altitude is possible? I don't think. I mean, how much does that change? You're talking millions of years for that. Like, because Lake Titicaca, I mean, that was sea, like, it is seawater. Like, it's not today. It has, like, unique species in it. Like, there's a native seahorse. It's the only, but it's brackish water. So it was originally part of the ocean that was uplifted. And it's been uplifted 12,000 and a half thousand feet. But

This is millions of millions of years, and it's today fed by these glaciers, so it's slightly, it's big, it's brackish. It's like it's a combination of salt and, and freshwater. But it has these species that can only have come from the ocean. But this is like long geological processes. So I think it's more likely that there was just a different like subclimate or like a mini, a climate zone in that area that must have supported that life. Because the place is massive. It's, it's, it's the site where you go is, is, is. There's only the barest fraction of what is actually there under the ground. They've done scans. They've found entire buried step pyramids at this site. The farmers in all the fields around it are they ran into these big blocks occasionally and like, goddamn it'd ruin the tractor again. It's a big andeside block from Tijuana. Whoa.

Yeah. So it's, and it's a super mystery. And it's also the place where those tridactal pyramids are. Right. So NASCAR, right. A lot of that comes from South America. That's right. And there's...

That gets real weird. It does. And you take all those things in consideration. Yeah. Things get real weird. Well, you know, there's also this evidence for technology and alignments there. I mean, this is one of the things Posnansky-based his dating on was this was this structure there called the callus Asiah. There's a big step pyramid there called the Akapana.

Then there's this callus Asai, which is big, rectangular mass. They called it the stonehenge of the Americas, where originally because it was just these giant stones that, form this big rectangular structure. Today it's been, they've left the big stones there, but they've kind of filled in the gaps and they've built the walls and stuff again. And what Posnanski found was that it is an extremely accurate solar observatory, kind of like a, I mean, similar to Stonehenge in some ways. But if you stood in the center of the, the west wall and you looked east, so this big

rectangle. Do we have an image of this so I can look at? Yeah, if you've got a Tewanaka, it's kind of like an overlook. if you bring them all up I can show you or you can type in T-1-R-E-Wan-Ru probably find pictures of it Callis Asai

K-A-L-A-S-A-Y S-A-S-A something like that but it's it's like imagine a big rectangular huge rectangular that's in

yeah there so that's it there so actually it's like there's an inner structure there but this is so see all those standing stones those are the original stones So it actually goes all the way around and all that far side.

So it has an internal structure as well. Interesting. So the larger stones? They're original. Okay. And then they built the smaller wall later. That's all modern. Modern as far as...

The last 50 years. Oh. Yeah, they reconstructed it. If you go back to Posnansky's original excavations from the early 1900s, all you see is the big standing stones. It's been quarried. Like this is another one of those places where literally like the core of La Pazis, is made from stones from Tijuana.

Like it's the whole town that's here. There's a massive church that's been built. They made mines and sewer systems. It was just like the most convenient source of stone. And in Tijuana, in particular, like they're very square. Like it's really linear, beautiful blocks of Andes. Perfect building material. Why wouldn't you just take it and build cities?

So they were right up until the 30s. They were just wagon loads and wagon loads and waggle of stone every day, every day. So the place has been used as a quarry for, you have to, similar to, a lot of places in Egypt for hundreds, if not thousands of years. But it's so, so what you're looking at is you've got to use your imagination or look at the older pictures, and even then it's barely a fraction. I think of what's actually there under the ground. But what's interesting is Posnanski figured out that if you stand in the middle of that,

of the west wall, like so looking this way, and if you looked at the corner pillars on the east wall, it showed you the sun on the, on the solar, solstices would rise exactly on the outside corners of these pillars. Now, this is, it looks like that to the eye, but if you measure it with precision instruments, you find it's about 18 minutes off now. And so when it was a line, so it's similar to that, the sphinx and like when was it lined up with Leo? So when was this structure lined up exactly on the solstices?

And so the motion of the earth that would affect that is called the change in the obliquity of the ecliptic. It's another one of the Malankovic cycle. So you have, we talked about procession of the equinoxes, which is the wobble. So then you also have this tilt, like this change in the tilt of the earth. So the actual tilt goes back and forth, I think between 22 and 25 degrees, something like that, but it's a 41,000 year cycle. And it's basically the change in the axis of the earth relative to the equator of the sun or the ecliptic plane. So there's, you know, if you project out the equator of the sun, where or the planet, are orbiting. It's the change in the Earth's tilt relative to that plane, the obliquity of

the ecliptic. And so on that cycle, it's a 41,000 year cycle, turns out that he dated it using the star charts of the time at around 15,000 BC. Now, his work was validated in the early 2000s by the Bolivian, this is a funny story, Bolivian head of archaeology in Bolivia and these astronomers that went there and said, let's check Posnanski's work, using the astronomical almanac, more up-to-date information. And they said, yes, indeed, he's, he was correct. Like, if, if you assume this was an align, like an alignment thing, this would have lined up right on basically 12,000 years ago, 13,000 years ago, 10,000 BC, or plus 41,000 years, I guess, for the cycle. So, and the guy, Gustav, I've forgotten his name, damn it.

But the guy who was in charge of the Bolivian Department of Archaeology at the time, once he made that announcement, lost his job. And I don't think he's ever been talked of since. Yes, the official dates for Tiwinau haven't changed. However, these guys also figured out that if you spun it around and you looked from, it's also aligned to the sunsets on those solstices. So if you go on the west wall and, sorry, you go on the east wall and look west, it also perfectly aligns with the sunsets.

You also get the solstices in the center. So, you know, solstices being, sorry, equinoxes in the center. Solstice is being the shortest and longest day of the year where the sun's furthest north and further south and then equinox is in the middle. So it's perfectly aligned with that, but just off kilter a little bit because of that motion of the earth, the change in the obliquity of the ecliptic. So it's not an accident, put it that way. It's not just a coincidence that it's aligned this way.

It was set up that way to be a solar observatory. And if you look at it with an open mind, it's an insane date. Yeah, it is. I mean, even within this cycle of 10,000 BC, I mean, that's the Younger Dryce period. Like, this is, you know, this is, and it's a significant marker for South America because I can tell you the Younger Drys had a tremendous impact on South America. Something like 75% of the megafaunal species in South America when extinct, although you are up in the Andes, they may have been more protected from the full extent.

Who knows, though, fires and. smoke, they would have had the, you know, the blackening of the skies and all the rest of it that would have happened during that Younger Dryas extinction event. But, yeah, something happened. I mean, they, again, there's been, I think there's been a cycle of glaciation and deglaciation in the Andes that's affected the lake and a lot of the stuff up there in particular. Just because we know that there are structures, get this, there are structures beneath the waters of Lake Titicaca today made from red sandstone that match kind of the oldest layers at Tijuana so they might have been made beneath the water beneath the water so the lake level must have

been lower and then the lake land then something happened where a lot of water got added and then Temple found on the Lake Titicaca and this is in 2000 stone anchor what is that word adenaminal 660 foot long and animal and animal something of space is something of space Oh, stone anchor and animal bones were found amongst Artifax scientists Wednesday said it's connected to Wednesday said they had found beneath

South America's Lake Titicaca in what? There's something wrong with this translation because all these words are jammed together even when it says Tidicaca and then science there's no space. My five-year-old website. Yeah, but it seems weird like it's like recoded or something right after 18 days of diving

below the clear waters of Tidicaca scientists said Tuesday they have discovered a 660-foot-long, 160-foot-wide temple, a terrace for crops, pre-Incan Road, and a 2,600-foot-containing wall. Holy shit. Yeah. I strongly support the hypothesis

that was found by the... What does that word? Atahalupa. Something like that. It's clearly a Peruvian word. Atalupa 2000 Expedition. are the ruins of a submerged pre-Columbian temple, said Eduardo Perea,

Bolivian scientists who was among those explored the site around 90 miles northeast of the Bolivian capital of La Paz. Yeah, so there's stuff underneath the water. It says it's filmed. They have film of that? Can we see what that looks like? Try to find it.

Yeah, I just thought this was easier because I couldn't find a good video. Oh, it's got to be. Yeah, I'm sure it exists somewhere, but I have to do time to find it. Oh, my God. So it said, it's made over 200 dives in the water, 65 to 100 feet deep. I'd love to know exactly how deep.

Does it say how deep it was? Because, I mean, that's a significant change in the level of the lake. So, yeah, Lake Tidikarkas is 12,464 feet above sea level. That is bananas. We went and stayed out on an island on the lake with no electricity. The sky at night was absolutely phenomenal. If you were a gambler, how old do you think that is? Yeah, I would put it at least.

I'd say at least in that 12 to 15,000 years, if not significantly older. I think I don't know that there were periods of time in that lake where that level was that low. What's crazy is that there's been a variance. Like there's structures beneath the current lake level, so the water was lower. And then we know from the strand line that the water was, God, what is it? I think 40 meters almost higher than what it is now when it would have been at the shores of Tijuana. Which is indicating a long time period of change. Yes, and the tilted strand line, so if you were talking about Tijuana, if I was a gambler, I would put it at tens of thousands of years.

I don't think, I don't even, my, as in getting, this is speculation, I don't think it fits even within the 10 to 12,000 year cycle. I think it's got to be tens, like multiple tens of thousands of years for that to be, to be where it is. And in fact, when I was there, literally like two weeks ago, we made some observation. that I hadn't made there, but I'd spent a bunch of time at Tijuana over the years, but we figured out that those big pillars of that callus asai, we thought they were and they're granite. The ones on one side, they're actually granite and they're very heavily eroded. Like, like, again, you have that big scoop out of, you can see at the bottom where they were buried, but there's this

huge amount of erosion and I just, and granite erodes way more slowly than things like limestone. So it's just, I think the erosional data there needs to be studied because I don't know how long it would take even in that environment which gets more rainfall than place like it can rain quite a bit you get these storms but I think it takes a long time

to a road granite that far and the stuff that's been exposed and above the mud and when there was clearly some sort of big mud flood that came in that knocked this stuff down the stuff that was been face down or buried in the mud has been quite well preserved and protected but

oh is this the film there's like one minute of underwater footage. Whatever that is, it looks Inca. Lake Titicaca underwater archaeology. Yeah, gold Incan figurine. Well, the Inca were definitely there at the lake. There's the island of the sun, island of the moon.

That's Inca. What this big old dick. Well, you should see, it reminds me of like the, you should have seen some of the pottery they make, right? Like, we were making, I was making Photoshop's and my friends with it. It's literally like dick and balls and like all these pottery. They had this whole erotic section of the Larko

museum and it's it's it's always good for a little giggle but so is it safe to say that last exploration has been done at this site yes for sure it's still being slowly excavated but yeah this isn't i mean it's the wheels are grinding slowly they're slowly trying to renovate they're trying to encourage tourism but there's not there's so much of that site that needs to be dug up it's not it hasn't had anything like the attention egypt is there the same sort of pushback against dating for sure one guy but it's the same everywhere Yeah, yeah. So it's like a human characteristic of people that are in control of the narrow.

Well, it's tough to explain. There's just that they don't want to deal with this possibility of a culture down there that's that old, I think. It upsets too many other apricots. So I feel like it's been, it's kind of been, well, we found these carbon dates. This fits kind of the timeline of what the Inca said to because the Inca talk about emerging from Lake Titicaca and going north being pushed out by the Amara people. And if you think that, okay, the Inca arrived in the sacred. Valley from the south around 1,200, between 1,200 and 1,200 AD, so therefore they might

have been at Tijuana at 1,100 AD. So it kind of fits that timeline, but it doesn't mean anything. Like, the Inca could have been down, the Tijuana could have been there forever. I think the Inca, sure, that's the timeline for that civilization, but... And as we've established, everywhere you see people put a civilization on top of an older... Oh, that's, yeah, 100%. The Inca were, like, very respectful. This is the other thing about the architecture in that part of the world.

The layers are very respect, other than the Spanish, they smashed it all up. But the Inca were very respectful and trying, they tried to rebuild even. Like where they could rebuild megalithic structures, they would. Here's a great example. And I also think a great example of why it's not possible that the Inca did all of this. Because it's in such a short period of time, again, their civilization lasted barely a couple hundred years. And there's so much of it of this stonework. And it's just complete night and day difference.

But so in Kusko, there were like 13 high Inca's, these kings of the Inca empire, like the high Inca, the big, big dude. And he had his court with his advisors. They called him a Panaka. And it was a hereditary thing. So the son would inherit and he'd make his own Panaka, his own people. He'd also have his own palace. You couldn't live, like the son couldn't live in the house of the father.

So they would build another spot in Kusko in this city. Cusco is crazy city. It's like megalithic, Inca, colonial Spanish, modern, all piled up on each other. It's amazing city. But if you actually look at where these courts were, like starting with Manko Kupak, the first sort of high Inca around 1,200 AD, you have the first seven or eight of these high Inca, when they would build their structures and their palace, they would rebuild like a megalithic courtyard. It would be these big, massive stones.

Or they'd inhabit and they'd repair it. They'd have these huge big megal. Gothic courtyards, but as soon as they switch from, I think, the 8th to the 9th or the 7th to the 8th, it's all small cobblestones. It's just all of their courtyards, like their palaces were made from, you know, small local stones stuck together with mud mortar. It's like, well, hang on, you're saying that if you say that the Inca built all of this stone, then all of a sudden you're saying, well, between one generation and the next, you lost

all of this capability to do the fancy stuff, the big stuff, which doesn't make any sense. sense it's much more likely what they did was they found an abandoned ruined megalithic city they rebuilt it and they ran out of megalithic courtyards to to renovate for their next king that's what happened like so the first bunch of these high incas have these megalithic courtyards and then the next right up to the end they're just they're made from small local cobblestones it's like were they just not special enough for the big special stonework or it's just it's you can't imagine within such a small couple hundred couple hundred couple centuries that they lose all that capability. It's just not, none of it makes sense.

The only thing that makes sense when you look at that architecture down there is, yeah, they were rebuilding older stonework, they were repairing it, they were putting their stuff back on top of it. I mean, I had, there's so many amazing, Aianto Tambo is one of my favorite sites down there, just because it's so obvious. There's these giant 80-90-ton granite blocks that make up this structure and it's fallen apart. And then in, like they've tried to these things and in between them they've just stacked all these little local crappy little stones in between. See if you have any images of that? I have the Aiente Tambo directory, tons of pictures. And in fact, that's a whole other interesting story because that place is another example of

what you see a lot of in Egypt, which is this phenomenon of just something happened and they went tools down. We're not finished. We're like, we're in the process of doing stuff and just drop work, leave. Whatever happens, cataclysm, social clubs, something happened. Because we know a lot about oiente tambo it's at the top of a mountain in the sacred valley yeah so this is a great example of the rocks on top of this stuff yeah but up a there's a great little drone video actually one of those video one of the videos in there is um a drone shot from the top of this it's at the top of this steep mountain they built this structure uh no go back one uh that's at the quarry so i'm standing on one of the stones so yeah that's it there

and at the top of this are these giant 80-ton granite blocks that make up this central where they call it a sun temple and we know where those come from it's like if you imagine this giant mountain there's a big old valley to the left of it and then another giant mountain and at the top of that other giant mountain is the quarry for this granite it's about four five six miles as the crow flies but it's probably like 10 or 12 to walk it and I've walked it

and we've climbed up to that quarry and all the way along this path they would have called these tired stones which are giant blocks of granite that they just they dropped they just left them there they called the tired stones yeah and in fact there's a row

if you see in the very bottom left here there's a road that they built and if you look at some of these other images I'm standing on some of these rocks this one this is one of the examples they had to build the road around it the modern road around it and this block when you pace it out and measure it

it's probably not less than 90 tons of granite And I mean, we couldn't, I mean, shit, the equipment to try and move this, on this, would destroy this road to try and lift this. But these, there's dozens, there's like a dozen or more of these things all the way up to the quarry at Oiante Tambo. But it's just, again, it's very obvious that the Inca rebuilt this. But something happened here where they went to, yeah, these are the big 80 ton blocks in the center of it. And yeah, this is one of the examples I love to show people.

It's like, okay, you're telling me the same. Same people did all of this stonework, stuff in the middle and like this little filler work in here. Yeah. If we were attached to a timeline, it would be way more likely than what you're saying is correct, especially when you're looking at it like this. Yeah. Look at the massive stones and the way they're cut and then what's above them. Yeah.

Yeah. Wild stuff, man. It really is. Because what happened? And the evidence of the mud, that's the other thing. For sure. At Tijuana, yes, there was a huge, and something happening, like a cat. Caticalism happening. Look at these blocks. These big blocks are scattered around. Something knocked this structure over. And these are huge blocks of stone. What had happened to cause that? That's a good example of the Hunan Putscher, the carved bedrock. You see a lot of this crazy stuff. In fact, there's also tool marks here. In one of the big Hunan Putscher, if you look, there's like a cross, there's like a grid of cuts in one of these pictures here, Jamie. That one's nuts because go back. Look at that. That one's nuts because it was removed.

Right. So people often say, well, this Hunan Putscher is a quarry. I'm like, really? That's not a, I usually, I like this, there's many examples like this where this isn't a quarry. How do you make the back, if you're trying to take a block a stone out, how are you making the back cut? You can't. You have to, it's like a box. You have to cut it out. Right. Deliberately shaped. And that, that block is not. We don't know. No. I think it was, I think we think, we were talking a lot about this. Most likely it was meant to how, something. Either other stone or something else was going on here. This is stuff that's since been

removed. And in fact, in one of these pictures, there's like a semicircle with all these cut grid lines in them. Yeah, these are more lazy, tied stones out in the fields. You go marching around in these cornfields and you find them all over the place down here. It's great. That's so strange. It's a very, this is the thing, here we go. So if you zoom in on that, so this is up the hill. And it's, these are cut marks. is like a grid pattern that's been cut into the stone. I don't know how, with what, but you actually, you can't see this from the ground. And we were super lucky.

And there was a huge festival going on in the town and all the guards were at the festival. So they'd never let you get up here otherwise. We climbed up this halfway up in this mountain to get a picture of those cut lines, which is, again, not attributable to the very basic tools that the Inca had, right, barely in the Bronze Age. This is nuts. Yeah, so this is that drone footage also because. the guards weren't there. They would have gone nuts. They'd caught us droning. Oh, really? They don't like you droning? No. No, can't do this. Why so many restrictions?

I mean, wouldn't this all this, especially from someone like you, wouldn't all this encourage tourism? I think you'd think so, but it's not the case. In fact, they're getting worse, unfortunately, in parts of Peru, just in terms of the ropes and the restricted areas you can't go to. Machu Picchu, unfortunately. you can't get to the famous hitching post of the sun or the central, central megalithic area. Just looking at this drone footage, there's such a clear difference between the original stone that's below

and then the stuff that the more modern people built above it. There's such a difference in the way the stone is constructed. Wild stuff, man. It's night and day. So that's what I like about South. Once you see it in South America, it's very clear because you just, you know,

again, in Egypt, you just had a longer ancient civilization that were able to develop high capabilities than say the Inca did. In fact, the quarry for this stone is way on that other mountain across the valley at the top. You can't quite see it, but it's, you know, they hold these big blocks along, like, over very difficult terrain at high, this is still 10,000 feet. And what is the highest of these stones? It'd be 100 tons, at least.

I mean, it's Saxe Wama, and you're closer to 200 tons. I think at Tijuana, the biggest sandstone block, I might be rise or something like almost three, four hundred, something like that, 300 maybe, is a big red sandstone block? Are those cross marks, the etchings into the stone? Is that the only evidence of tool marks? No, we've seen others, particularly in Tijuana, I mean, this is actually up at the quarry. So this is, yeah, this is up at the, up that other mountain we hiked up.

And it, I can't imagine trying to carry a ton of rocks up here. This was hard enough. But, yeah, so in Tijuana, you certainly see a lot more evidence for tool marks in south america you you have tubular drills you have all sorts of kind of crazy um what look like tool marks and functional aspects of stone in particularly place like the coric cancer which is the big central structure in kusko it was this today it's a catholic church but it's it's megalithic and the inside walls have all i mean some of the blocks have been put out and are on display and there's a lot of the inside structures that are still there

yeah there are similar sort of tube drills that have been cut there is a lot of similarities to some of the tools that you see in megalithic Egypt so there's I think it's an offshoot I mean if I was to bet I would say it's either the same or an offshoot of the same civilization that did the megalithic stuff in the other parts of the world for sure like it's just the megalithic work itself it's just like there's skyscrapers in Tokyo boom that's it yeah yeah it's like you know The reductionist and the skeptics will say, well, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's solving this, you know, it's like a guy that you want to kill an animal, you make a Flint arrowhead or whatever, right? And I can, I can understand that process where you, you are, you are solving a problem and maybe, and getting at it the same way. However, when it comes to walls, like stone walls, I, I'm very skeptical that two completely separate cultures found the most difficult, the most complex, the hardest way to make a stone wall. chose that because that's what megalithic walls are like these giant blocks that are perfectly shaped together that's the thing man

in cusco and in these streets when you look at some of them have been shaken apart from earthquakes so you can see they're complex like they're curved not only is other not only does the the line it's not straight so the lines curve where they join

the face angles change so it's changes this way but also the face angle changes and they perfectly match Just it's mind-boggling to understand how they might have actually put those stones together. This is why it does lead people to the geopolymer ideas or stone softening. My buddy Kyle, brothers of the serpent podcast who travels with us, he has a great idea that it might have been a resonance thing where you're actually resonating

and grinding stones together slowly. So once, you know, you basically, they'll match eventually if you were just like grinding. There are jewelers tools like that do similar things. can cut through, you know, they do it on real small stones, but you can cut through granite with a star shape or whatever with these jewelers tools that get to the right resonant frequency and they just sort of grind through like an ultrasonic drill or something that cuts and just vibrates its way through. If you turn it off while it's in there, it's like Excalibur, right? It's stuck in the stone real tight. You have to have this, but, you know,

obviously you talk in some advanced technological capability to be able to vibrate a 50-ton stone to make it grind into its neighbor, but it's about. the most plausible thing I've heard because I can't imagine that this was done by we lift it up, we measure it, we mark the high spots, we rub it down, we put it back up and it's saying this for

stones that are 150 tons is just not happening like that. Yeah, let's pull up some images of what you're talking about, these very bizarre shapes that they're perfectly matched to fit into each other like a jigsaw puzzle. I think in the South America director of there, Jamie, there'll be some of the walls, some of the walls in the streets of

the speculation is that they did it in these shapes. to protect against earthquakes? One of them, that's the Corricanscha. Keep going. There's the wavy lines. Yeah, this stuff, right? Yeah, this stuff. This is like the Incaroka wall.

And there's probably some pictures of the broken sections where you can see these inside joins. That's Saxe Juan, so it's the same thing, just a much bigger scale. Weird. Yeah, some weird, bizarre stuff. Weird stuff. Go back to the curvy.

What's it? The curvy ones back the way? Yeah, that one. Yeah, that's a green one. That one. That's nuts, man. What are the nubs? I don't know.

No one knows, right? We talked about the nubs endlessly. Yeah, people, all sorts of speculation. Like people have geopolar explanations for them. People have, you know, a lot of people try to say they're lifting bosses. And that's not how they would flip over. They're not in the right place. One thing's for certain, I think, with the nubs that is an observation, a friend of ours of Chuck, a geologist made, which is that if you look at how stone is quarried, right?

So one of the common methods still used to some extent today, but certainly it's attributed to cultures like this and the Egyptians, is what they call a wedge and feather quarrying, right? You cut these little wedges out, and then you hammer in either, you know, wood and wet it and tries to, you're trying to split stone, basically. You're trying, and they still do it today. One thing you'll never be left with in a splitting or a wedge and feather approach is a nub. Like you can imagine, you can't imagine these stone faces splitting

and leaving these bloody nubs that are on all of these walls. Right. So they're formed. They're formed, either deliberately formed or they're result of some other process, we don't know. But they're not the result of this sort of primitive quarrying method. They, I don't know where they are, but they're on everything. And that's another. It's weird that they leave them there as well.

They're in Egypt too. Like they're on the, like, if you compare that wall to like the third pyramid, the Mencaro pyramid, it's exactly the same. I mean, it looks exactly the same. The pillowy appearance on the out, not like unfinished. What's fine an image of that? Menkara pyramid, yeah, the granite. It's just, it's so weird because they're not in a uniform position either. No.

And, you know, you find examples, there's been surface wear on a lot of this stone. There's plenty of examples where it was very finely, like, reflective and polished originally. So there's been spalling on the surface. It feels rough today, but there are sections. Yeah, so this is Menkara pyramid. It looks the same. Same kind of thing. Yeah, nubs.

But a little larger. In some places. Those are big ones, but there's other ones that are smaller. Very much like that. Yeah, that Facebook picture there, I guess, is a good nub picture. But there are even in Mekara, there's some evidence that they were flattening some surfaces of the pyramid. Whether or not they intended to flatten the whole thing, we don't know. Funny enough, they have actually found that there's probably another hidden entrance to this behind that blank flattened wall there on the

the turkey today airfield anomalies under mankara pyramid yeah so there's a this is on the um well that'd be eastern side i guess of the pyramid the uh yeah the eastern side where the pyramid temple is the entrance is in the north but there's a flatten part of this wall on the eastern side and they've been hitting that with like a ground like a radar thing and they found that there are some anomalies behind there so they might well be uh an entrance behind this wall yeah that looks a little odd. Like that wall looks a little different than the surrounding stone. Well, for sure. And then there's some evidence that they had a patch like that. One of the hypotheses, again, I got to credit Kyle and Russ from Brothers Construction guys. So they look at this stuff and they have a great theory about this.

Because on all, there's a lot of the decasing stones are missing on the back, but we found blocks that were smooth like that with the angle for the other side. So what I think there were probably four patches like that. Now what you could be, one possible explanation for this is like, well, you very carefully grind and finish a section on each side because that sets your angle. Once you set your angle, you can use that patch as a reference point to then basically try to finish the whole rest of the pyramid at that exact angle. So you've got to start somewhere. You very carefully set your angle correctly on that patch and then you can use that as a reference to then smooth out the rest of the surface,

which you say smooth out in places it's this much granite you've got to remove like a foot of granite it's got to come off these stones to get down to that level

like they're so pillowy pillowy it's granite I mean I just it boggles the mind it's like they were using that scooping tool or whatever to do it are there competing theories

as to what the nubs are for other than like using it to lift the stones in place somehow yeah you know some people suggest some of them may have

been like little, I mean, there are different types of nubs. The subtle ones, not all work as lifting nubs. Some people say in the geopolymer world where they say, well, stones were formed or cast, they'll say, well, these are like heat expansion points. I've heard good theories from certain people that suggest it had something to do with the mass of the stone, like a resonant, like as you change the mass of a stone, it's whatever resonant frequency it has might alter. Because you also have scoops. You have nubs. You have nubs. you have scoops. So you seem to have this reduction of mass and then there's more mass in another place. So maybe it had something to do it. These are different theories I've heard. I don't

have a good explanation for them. It's so weird how it never comes up again in human history. Yeah, we don't make stuff with numbs. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird. It's really weird. Well, it's a commonality. It's one of those other indicators. It's like, hey, this is the same. How come this is the same? Isn't it in Japan as well? Yeah. Yeah, there's places in Japan. I mean, it's a place I've been there. I've just not explored all those. sites um yes there's some really megalithic stonework in in japan that actually matches a lot of the stuff in peru see if you can find some of that jamie please yeah what's that bro looking on different oh wow where's that that looks like turkey turkey yeah turkey's another one is that roman

theater those are more consistent nubs uh i would say they're like a bit more a little more a bit more deliberate there's also a lip on that yeah still weird it is it's like what are you doing are you copying what other people did? That's a possibility, for sure, because we're very good at that too. You do see a lot of imitation. Right. Who taught you to do it? Yeah, there's a few people really obsessed with the stone nubs, and I can see why.

Like, it is a real mystery. See, those ones, that's a diomente tambo. Those are bedrock nubs, too. Those aren't even in blocks. That's in bedrock. And those are a bit more deliberate, I would say. Like, they're more like maybe their shadow and, you know, markers for, like, some sort of calendar.

This is part of the Corricansha. They're big square ones. I don't know what that's for. They're different again. What is your take on that sage wall in Montana? I haven't been there and seen it. I've been wanting to. I've heard differing opinions on that.

Like it's possibly, I'd like to see it for myself, to be honest. I've seen some footage of it. China? China. That looks like Yangshan. Yeah, that's Yang. Yangshan quarry. Wow.

And that's giant too, by the way. The Yangshan quarry is thousands of tons. Like if they'd ever cut that block off, it's something like, I don't know, some astronomical Oh yeah, I watched a piece on this of a YouTube thing on this. Yeah, you see it there. It's monstrous. What is the timeline of this stuff? I believe, I don't.

Off the top of my head, maybe Jamie, you can find out. Ask your AI. Ming Dynasty, right. Yeah, they say, the story on that is like some ruler said, like, carve me a dragon. They're like, sure, boss. And they started trying to get this block out. And then eventually some foreman went, yeah, maybe we can't deal with this stone anymore. And they left it doesn't seem real plausible to me.

That's the size of the young quarry block. Oh, my God. Yeah, thousands of tons of that. And what they were doing there, I do not know. And I do not know when they did it. That's the weird things. There's so many sites. Those nubs would be huge.

They're huge, huge nubs. Yeah. They're different. But it's like, what do they represent? Well, so another option, I mean, something else I've heard is that in some places they could have been mounting points for something that was grabbing them or hanging on to them, some tool to finish the wall. That was another theory that came up. Or a structure around them. Yeah, a structure from them.

Like a base. And now the Japan ones, Jamie, did you find anything? No, just looking around that. Do you go Japan megaliths maybe? I mean, India, the Barbar Caves is another one of these mysteries that fits this box. Do you ever heard of the Barabar Caves in India? No. Oh, my lord, that's a whole other...

These are in Japan. Which one? This is Japan, yeah. This one in particular, the... Whoa, click on that one that you just had your cursor on. That's nuts. I think that's AI. Is it?

That thing looks AI. The one... AI power, U.S. Son of a bitch. The one on the left, just next to it, the medium one. That's definitely... And below it actually is a better picture. The Asuka...

Megoliths. Yeah, so this matches a lot of the stuff in Perudamine. And even the Imperial Palace, the cornerstones and... corner blocks of the Imperial Palace there, the wall is very megalithic. Whoa. And in fact, it's funny, they've actually been digging up the

foundations. My wife was there recently and they've gone underground and they've found like original foundations and big walls and they've just, they've just opened some of that up to the public. Yeah, some of this is, some of this is very, I mean, this is totally Peru, Hunan Pacha, if this is legit. Wow.

It matches, right? It's the same. Yeah, the same kind of stuff. Yeah. And that's what's weird. It's like, is this a traveling civilization? Is civilization uniform all around the world at a certain point in time? He was global, yeah.

I think it was global. We're looking at the remnants of it. Either. Look at that. Oh, my God. Offshoots of it, too. It looks like that thing in L.A. Potentially.

What's that, Jamie? It looks like that giant boulder in L.A. at the museum. You know, it's like, sitting over the tunnel. You know what I'm talking about? Lackma? Oh. No? I don't remember it.

I try to block Lachma out. Look. Oh, wow. Kind of. What is this? Like a... Sculpture? Museum of Modern Art.

It's bleh. You go there, it's like, this is a plexiglass box. It's amazing. Yeah, with a banana peel in it. That kind of shit, yeah. Yeah, I'm not a fan of modern art. It's for dorks.

It looks similar. Yeah. Kind of. You're right? Yeah. But not as cool. That one's cooler and obviously way fucking older. It's just so weird how these megalithic structures are so consistent.

Whoa, look at that one. That's nuts. Where is that? There's something like, looks like Cambodia, potentially Thailand. Well, that was the other thing that we pulled up the other day, the temple in India. The one that's cut entirely out of the mountain. It starts with a K. Yeah.

That's one, yeah. There's a lot in India. It's another place. But that's made from granite. It is cut out of granite. If you look at Barabar caves, that's also in India. These are my friend Patrice Poyard, who runs a filmmaking company in France, has done an amazing documentary on Barabar. And they've scanned them.

And these are caves cut into big granite outcroppings that are just massive, perfect on the inside. Like it's mirror-finished granite within, like I think. thousandth of an inch flatness on the insides and they have these crazy shapes to some of them

have these circles but then have a whole other room in the back that's circular and that's an unfinished one that's like a doorway please Jamie

like upper left yeah right there like that's nuts man that's a lot of that the decoration there is added that's probably later again it's the writing

came later the original doorway is probably that one so the elephants over the top that's later yeah for sure There's an attribution of these

is to they were supposedly owned by a particular king who gave them to like a religious cult to get out of the rain but it doesn't say anything about about him making them. They just If you go to the ins the insides

is what's impressive in here. It's the finishing of the granite. They're mirror finished and it turns out with the scans what they found is that are also like almost perfectly symmetrical like they're not straight. They tilt in it like

a degree and a half exactly on both sides there it's some of the most precision precise like work in granite in single piece again it's one of those things where you can't make a single mistake and i mean this this is not this is an imitation like this is a later attempt to to replicate it yeah look at that uh the cow paddy hammer whatever the one the two in the middle of the yeah so this is and you literally it's it's reflects i mean the acoustics in there are incredible but this is granite and it's been polished to this mirror finish and then it's also been measured for flatness and geometry and it's it's insanely accurate there's been a whole a whole series of documentaries done it you can see the mirror finish in it um wow and nobody knows there's nothing

else quite like these anywhere it's like giant stone boxes look at the size of that one the carved into a mountain carved into a granite outcrop in a mountain exactly yeah there's seven or eight of them they're all in the same area really hard to get to it's like you've got to rough it and camp and stuff to get out there, but it's on my list. Like, what's the conventional explanation of how they did this? They don't, I mean, there are literally other examples of people hammering on them with, like, trying to make replicas with the tools of the time. And then it just jumps to this.

And it's just, there's no explanation for it other than they will, they did it in order to let this religious sect out of the rain. That's, and because it's literally some of the, some of the really poorly inscribed the right, you know, it's like the Egyptian. and stuff. It's like somebody hammered this text, Sanskrit, or whatever it is, and it says, oh, you know, this was, this king gave this to these guys to get out of the monsoon. It's the ancient version of Kilroy was here.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh, Kilroy built this. Yeah. Wild, man. Little Timmy on the skyscrapher. I've never seen that before. Baraba?

Yeah, completely insane. Patrice, I actually have his full documentary on my channel. I just want to. I'm going to go with the giant statue outside. is the Oya quarry in Japan. In Japan? Whoa. So it abandoned quarry.

Whoa. Oh, this is like, we were in a quarry like this in Turkey. It was absolutely incredible. Whoa. Look at the, in relationship to the size of the people that were walking. Is this a salt quarry or is it limestone? I can't tell. A lot of them are salt cabins.

But we were inside, so you have big cavern. You have big quarries like this, underground quarries in China. we were in Turkey in this I have these amazing footage from this massive underground quarry caves that were carved in in Turkey when we were there in March. Look at this title. Scientists

discover this structure in Japan they claim humans could never have built medium. How is that? How could humans have never built a quarry? Yeah. You just get clicks. Yeah, you're just getting clicks you sons of bitches. That's the game. Someone did it. No one's saying that's not humans

just saying something was going on back then where they were way more advanced than we want to give them credit for. Yeah. And when you take into account the Younger Dryness Impact Theory and the natural catastrophes that undoubtedly have befallen many a civilization in the past, it all kind of makes sense. It's just weird how many people resist it. That's the weird part. It's like they want to cling so tightly to their preconceived notions of the history of the human race.

It's a weird thing, isn't it? Like the history of civilization is one of those things that hasn't changed a whole lot in about 100 years. Like the idea that civilization started with the Samarians and the Mesopotamians 6,000 years ago and now we're here. That idea has been around for a long time. And it's just everything else around it has shifted such that, I hope, I really do hope that it's just that the context, the next generation of academics can take some of this context into account. I think they will. I think a lot of them are growing up listening to stuff like your show. I think that's going to help because there's a lot of people that are getting into archaeology now, a lot of young people that are a little bit more open-minded.

And then they also encounter some of these very arrogant professors and people that have these ridiculous ideas and think that they should be the absolute gatekeeper of information, which is so crazy because universities are a fairly new concept. The idea that these people that are running these universities, they should be in charge. charge of something. This is a new thing. They should be in charge. They're the only ones that could figure it out. They have the paper. It's written. Their name is written. It's framed on the wall. You shut the fuck up. That is literally insane because you're dealing with something that it is not possible for everyone to know and you're not as into it as they are. The thing is about like they're not as into these ideas as you are. You know what I'm saying? Like you are chasing this shit down. There's not a lot. You are and so is Jimmy Corsetti and so is Graham Hancock.

And so are many, many other people. And Randall Carlson and John Anthony West, rest in peace when he was alive, he was awesome. Those people chasing down these ideas are way more into it than the people that are gatekeeping the information. And they don't want to accept anything other than what they've been teaching and what they've been writing about. Yeah, you're right. There's a lot of it. I mean, it's amazing that the medium has shifted to give a people of a voice, I guess, that are into it. And my friend George Howard has a great way of explaining this in terms of a potential, like, talent pool if you consider like, okay, so you, current academics, at least the ones that are the old guard now are kind of been selected from the people that chose to go to university, that got into universities and you have this pool.

But now with the kind of the internet, and it's like you're exposing these ideas to such a wider variety of people that you can then, there's going to be people out there that think about these things a certain way. Assess polymaths. Assess polymaths that are going to be able to come forward and give those ideas. And, you know, it's, I think, you know, the vast majority of significant breakthroughs in pretty much any scientific field have usually come from somewhere that's, it's not within the box thinking. It's usually anti-establish, or it's outside the box thinking. Not always, but a lot of those ideas came from like, this has come complete from left field,

like germ theory, all that sort of stuff. It's like, what are you? You're crazy. You've got this dumb idea and then turns out, ah, you know, 35. 40 years later, it's like, that was the right idea. And we go from there. I mean, I'm hopeful as well that, yeah, the next generation of academics will be able to embrace a lot of these, the context for some of these, and then try to explore them, because I think ultimately that's what's needed, is some, take some these ideas seriously and bend some of our

resources to try and explore them on the ground and in full, because there's only, you know, ultimately the people that have the control and are able to do the real on-the-ground research are the ones that will be able to confirm or, you know, chase it. It takes real science in a lot of cases. And also, we're currently obsessed with our impact on the environment, which is not a bad thing. It's a good thing to be conscious and aware of our pollution and our emissions and all that good stuff. But if we were absolutely certain that civilization has been utterly destroyed by something that is outside of our capacity to control, probably a good idea to know that that's happened.

Yes, 100%. And to deny the possibility of even exploring that concept because people are going to get their feelings hurt because they're so bitchy to each other. That's the craziest thing you find out about these academics. They are so bitchy to each other. When anybody has any sort of an idea that's heterodox, any sort of an idea that's outside of the narrative

that they've been teaching forever, or they attack each other's reputation. They're a little sociopaths. It is vicious. Well, that's their version of the fight. I guess it's their, the mean letters and the, yeah, it's, you know what I mean? It's weird. It is kind of weird.

But they're also in today's day and age of these shows where, like your show and all these other ones that we mentioned, there's a much more attractive approach to these ideas, you know, where people are not, like, bitchy authoritarians, but they're rather people that are absolutely fascinated by something that is undeniable. The size of these stones, the similarity to them all over the world, all these different mysteries, the fact that many of them are covered in mud, the fact that enormous stones look, they've been knocked off by some immense force. Yeah. Stuff those left, just left there in the middle of construction.

Nobody ever picked it up. Nobody ever finished it. Like what happened? Yeah, and it's really only not that long since we've had the ability to apply some of these disciplines to these problems, like engineering. You know, it's since the industrial revolution that we've even had enough background knowledge to kind of understand these problems

because we have to solve them ourselves. Or like think about how Christopher Dunn approaches the idea of the Great Pyramid itself. No one would have ever been able to do that 200 years ago. That's what I'm saying, yeah. 100%. It's these other disciplines that have a whole different take on it. And it's, again, not a criticism of archaeologists

to say they're not engineers. They're not engineers. It's just fact. Yeah, it's fact. You don't, you don't, it's like I'm not a dentist. I don't know much of, you know what I mean? I can't solve those problems. Exactly.

No one can solve all problems. Yeah, but hey, dentists might have some input on some of these. You know what I mean? Sure. You can, I think a lot of these problems are multidisciplinary, is what I'm saying. Like there's a lot of different approaches and angles to them that lead to submit pretty interesting places. It's funny to say that because my dentist is obsessed with UFOs.

Oh, really? Super smart guy, obsessed with UFOs. Trying to talk about it. Every time he's, like, doing my, what do you think? What do you think that is? It's fun. It's fun to talk to him. I'll bet.

Yeah. Yeah, what else are you going to think about while you're feeling on someone? But it is a subject that is so important for us. I mean, I'm watching the Ken Burns documentary right now in the Revolutionary War. And it's really great. Awesome. Amazing. Fascinating to look back at this very recent history, relatively speaking, to terms of the timeline of the earth.

And I just realized, like, that ain't shit. Yes. And that's one of the reasons that drives me too is why it's, I think that's a big factor in why this is important. It's altruistic, but I do believe that having, if we could change that pillar of humanity from like, well, we were Stone Age and now we're Space Age to the cyclical nature of we've been here, we've not been knocked down, be aware of the dangers like solve the longer term. I do genuinely think that a whole generation that's exposed to that, that has that inbuilt as they're like, hey, background knowledge of what it means to be human, then maybe we would solve those problems. Yeah,

maybe that's a constant test every 12,000 plus years. It seems like it. Yeah, it does seem like it. And it seems like no one's really solved it yet. You know, and we probably get a little smarter every time we do it. But it takes forever and it probably sucks for a long time. Well, it seems like it's not every 12,000 years or so

is like there's definitely been events that are orders of magnitude greater than anything we've experienced in our last several millennia you know like a thousand Katrina's or whatever at a time kind of thing and there's evidence of like things like the Tunguska event where like something a little bit more a little more than we've experienced before happens

but nothing compared to what we've experienced or the earth has experienced in the past no for sure we've not we've yeah we've had we've had nothing but it does that if you go back the last several couple hundred thousand years it is has this periodicity it seems like that does for some reason align with some of those those 12,000 years and 26,000 years kind of cycles it's weird how that happens it's including the depictions of atlantis and the fall of atlantis well yeah I mean it's all that

exactly lines on with the timeline lines up with the timelines it does dude your show is fucking awesome I love it I look forward to it every time he put a new episode out I really love it and I love every time you come in here and let's make this a regular thing I love that. It's my favorite shows. I love this subject so much. It's so engaging. It's so exciting.

For whatever reason, there's just part of the human fascination with the past that gets ignited in me. And it's so I think the audience feels the same way. It's like it's so intriguing. And I think you're right. And I think Jimmy Corsetti's right. And Graham Hancock's right. I think all these people are right.

I think there's more to this story than we're being. Spooned fat. Thank you very much, sir. My pleasure, brother. Uncharted X, it's on YouTube. Subscribe, like and subscribe. It's fucking amazing. And then you, what is your Instagram?

It's Uncharted X1 on Twitter and Uncharted X7 on Instagram. I should probably fix that, but it is what it is. Okay. As long as it's not six, seven. That's the new thing with the kids these days. Oh, no. Yeah, I haven't done that. How about all that?

Yeah, I've heard about it. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate you very much. Cheers, Joe. Bye, everybody. Thank you, bro. Yeah.

I don't want to force it in, but I wanted to ask about that. Oh, Shemir? Yeah, we could have talked Shemir. We can throw it back in. Yeah, I can talk about it real quick. Yeah, yeah. You want to talk about the Shemia? I can.

Oh, 100%. Unend it. Sorry, folks. We unended it. We unended it. Because Jamie had sent me this earlier today, Solomon Shemir. Yeah, the Shemia. So you are familiar with it?

I am. Okay. Yeah. So this is an ancient idea that there was a worm or a substance that had the power to cut through and disintegrate stone, iron and diamond. And Solomon. Solomon is said to have used it in the building of the first temple in Jerusalem in place of cutting tools. For the construction of Solomon's temple, which promoted peace, it was inappropriate to use tools that could also cause war and bloodshed. Yep.

There's also, I found since I've been, since I sent that to you, there is a actual thing called a Lithorio or something. What? That they found in the Philippines, that does some sort of stuff. A rock-eating worm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the Shamir is like Solomon's lightsaber, I like to call it. Yeah, it's, it is described, the Shamir is, is described as a stone cutting implement.

Wow, that thing ate through that? So the guy who found it said he had never heard of the Shamir. Huh. And some scientists don't know if they're even the same thing, but they do, they're described very similarly. What a creepy looking motherfucker that thing is, a rock-eaten little worm. Like grinding stone. That's crazy. There are a number of different depictions and descriptions for the Shamir.

And one of the problems with it being like this thing that slowly grinds through. Yeah, see, this is the weird part. Shamir was meant to always been wrapped in wool and stored in a container made of lead. Out of the end of the container would burst and disintegrate. So it's like... What? Under the Shamir's gaze. Yeah, a lot of it was looking at it. Whoa.

I don't think it had eyes. So are we describing radiation or something? Right, what are we describing? Well, it gets into the realm of the Ark of the Covenant and everything else too. Right, roll and stored in lead? That's nuts. And then it lost its potency. Yes.

Right after, which I don't, the dripping of the honeycomb, I don't know what that is. By the time of the destruction of the first temple during the siege of Jerusalem and 500 B.C. Yes. But again, it still exists. They found it today like 2019, I think, is one of the time. Well, they found a worm that does something similar. A very similar worm that would be evolution of it. Maybe they had a giant one.

They're just like fucking... Maybe they could have trained them like some people can train pigeons to do stuff. Eat the wall. He had to do it fast. One of the things too, he was that had to build that Temple Solomon quickly so that he was like we need this. We can't use the regular methods, but we also need to be able to cut stone quickly. So one of the things that Shamir was described as doing is being able to cut these sort of hard stones. Like I think it described like diamond even as cutting it quickly.

The blood of the Shamir was used for diamonds, but this also said he was not, he didn't find it, it was given to him. A bird found it. A bird. Someone noticed a bird was using it to make nests in rock. Wow. And they're like, let's get the hold of that. So, yeah, some people will also speculate that there's, there is a bird that vomits this thing or poops this thing. Look at this.

Which can melt rock or something. The angel of the sea had then given the Shamir to a bird. Yes. Identified by the Talmud as a hoopie. Yeah, but it's the oldest. I believe this is like the We had to go to several birds Which were also these like spirits he talked to

Oh boy And I think you had to get to the very late The very last one It's a lightsaber they got from aliens It's a worm from a bird It's a lightsaber from aliens Radioactive alien lightsaber All right

And the end Bye everybody Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.