The Joe Rogan Experience - #243 - Honey Honey

Episode Date: July 24, 2012

Joe sits down with Honey Honey.

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! My friends, my friends! Hello! So good to see you guys. It's great to be here. I was fucking super psyched for this.

I was very much looking forward to it. I really enjoyed seeing you guys on stage in Coachella. I watched it online. You did? Oh, man. Oh, my God. That's awesome. Yeah, it was awesome.

Thank you. Yeah, you could watch it online. It was fucking cool. First of all, that's a really cool feature. They had all the different stages. Everything you could watch it all go down online. I was like, wow, that's amazing. I think it's the first year they did that, too.

They're changing their shit up like crazy it's amazing but when you said that you used to work there selling hot what were you selling? I was working there selling barbecue

selling barbecue for Baby Blue's Barbecue yeah it was crazy I went just to go to the festival but I got a hundred bucks for the weekend

to work and then you know I stopped by Morongo on the way to double it, triple it, and then I hung out at the festival and sold beef brisket. Wow. That's hilarious. It was cool.

And then there you were on stage. That was like a scene in a movie. That's funny. That's like a cool scene in a movie, like when things start to really boom for your career, you get to say something like that on stage. You know, it was intense. It was definitely like incredibly overwhelming

in a positive and exciting way because you get there and it's just fucking huge. Right. And one of the coolest parts, I think, about Coachella was that the backstage area where all the artists hang out, like the artist camp, was open to everybody. It wasn't, you know, it's like the sort of like newer bands such as ourselves over here. It's like everybody was walking around like, holy shit, there's Radiohead and there's Dr. Dre and a shitload of weed.

And like everybody, it was so, that was really cool to just be like amongst these people and and feel like you belong there you know it was rad it was cool i met ice cube once he knew my name of course he did like he knows my name get the fuck out of here he's like what up joe today was a very good day every time i think of ice cube and iced tea i think about that youtube or that that photograph you know of like the pop machine or soda machine if you will that has like coca-cola and there's a picture of ice tea's face over the ice tea and then ice cube over the ice it's so great sorry so literal do you how much do you still trip out like running into like really famous people like that and you're like you're

like working with them what is that is it mind fuck like what's what's because it's just starting to happen for you guys you guys are on tour with cheryl crow right now right it's been great like the fact that she knows our band's name i know right that's the mind-blowing part and then she uses her time on stage she's been talking about us for like she'll give like these honey honey speeches it was amazing i teared up i i swear to god holy yeah she's a you know she's one of the first people we've toured with that like i i mean i used to listen to her when i was a kid and i i kind of worship her a little bit i mean she's she's a badass and she's she first of all she plays for like two hours and every song is a hit every song jesus christ and and um to be

song yeah jesus christ and and um to be you know so amazingly generous to us is is really humbling and just like it's it's pretty crazy i had a a friend of mine's girlfriend question whether or not i was joking that i was really like that it was a cd in my car and i was offended i was like how could you not like cheryl Crow she's fucking awesome she's fucking incredible like oh you don't really have that CD like what then you were like get out no seriously get out how dare you

fart in my space with your brain how dare you you guys that's gotta be so trippy you're in like that really cool stage of the movie. I freaked out. This is the really cool stage. Honestly, to be honest with you, seriously, we've toured for years now.

And no disrespect to the other people we've toured with because they've been incredible. But from my childhood, listening to her, I remember driving in the car with my mother and making her harmonize with me for the show Crow Songs. I'm like, no you I take the top you take the bottom then we weave come on and then I just like do it again and do it again and just to watch her perform like right in front of me and then to say to say like oh you know you guys really need to we need to talk about Honey Honey and she really gave us the time up there like it like I I fucking out. I was emotional about it. It was really cool. And you see her as a real person, too. I mean, I don't know.

She's very tiny. Yeah, she's very small. Really? Put her in your pocket. But it's not like this product or anything like that. You have the CD in your car. You have a download or a video. And it's all these, like, representations.

But then she's right there, you know? I saw her once at a Baja Fresh. Really? Yeah, she was in line at a Baja Fresh. That's awesome. I was like, oh shit, that's Cheryl Crow. That's awesome. She likes burritos.

I didn't say anything, though. The rest of us. Kept it on the DL. Were you paying attention to what she ordered? I'm just kidding. No, I remember to this day. I took the bag out of the trash. It was a burrito, no cheese, please.

How many people would do that? Me. I'm just kidding, sort of. How many creepy people would steal her food? Ooh. Just wrap it up, pull it out of the trash, Ziploc it. Yeah.

Well, that's like, not to be disgusting, but they talk about the 70s stories where groupies would steal condoms from Mick Jagger. Shazam. Which is disgusting. And try to impregnate themselves. Sorry I brought that up. Whoa.

There's, you know, I think it's not as rock and roll anymore as it used to be. The rock and roll life is not as rock and roll? Did Twitter ruin it? No. I mean, I think there's just like safety issues. It's like, you know, don't go in the trash fishing for used condoms.

Yeah. It's probably not a good move. You gotta learn. I would say people have learned that we've evolved. You know, we figured out fire. I'm really sorry. And then we figured out that don't do that.

This is, this could burn you. Yeah. Don't, don't go doing that. No, but seriously, I think that like,

you can't, you know, back in the day it was like, you know, I don't know, Metallica or somebody, whoever, you know,

rage against the machine. I shouldn't name names. Cause I'm, I don't want to misquote anyone, but like, you know, I don't know, Metallica or somebody, whoever, you know, Rage Against the Machine. I shouldn't name names because I don't want to misquote anyone. But like, you know, bigger bands would just like trash a hotel room or, you know, that was like the 80s. It was. Yeah, there we go. It was. Yeah.

You know, out of the job. You're not really saying those bands because I don't know if any of those. No, I don't. And I love those bands. So I should watch my mouth. Let's just be careful. Just look at. I know I've done that. You've trashed a hotel room. Just look for an example and you go, it might I should watch my mouth. Let's just be clear. We just look at, I know, I've done that.

You've trashed the hotel room? You just look for an example and you go, it might not have really been them. But nowadays, if you disrespect establishments and venues like that, people don't want to have you back.

Even if you sell it out, it's like you're, there's like a sort of a new wave of sort of, you know, everybody went to rehab and then they came back and they realized that you need to be respectful and, you know, everybody went to rehab and then they came back and they realized that you need to be respectful and

people are working. That's why John Travolta can't get massages at some joints. That's why. That's exactly why. They're like, dude, I don't give a fuck who you are. Stop trying to fuck my staff. Oh, man. Well, that's what happens to me now

I'm just kidding that's funny people fucking your staff yeah what exactly no they don't let me in to get a massage

oh right yeah you can't be trashing people's hotel rooms right that's fucking rude as shit why would you do that I don't know it's rude to everybody else

to stay in the hotel too they're all gonna hear that maybe we spilled a little bit of the hummus dip on the table but that's about it. That's one of the different ones like a Motel 6. That's true.

You're like, what are we going to do? It's right. Oh man. We did kind of trash Motel 6 by accident, by default. How'd you do that?

Well, we had a gig for the 4th of July in Pagosa Springs, Colorado, which was incredibly, you know, just a great time.

What part of it? Is that near? It's like four hours south of denver wow yeah a relaxing spa town you know hot springs are great but they are stinky yeah but so it smells everywhere yeah yeah sulfury yes very much so it's very stinky yeah but apparently it's like mineral i know everybody's like it's so good for you yeah it's it's pretty it's funny i my my buddies i'm staying with my friend dave um was, Dave, if you're watching, this is, hey, Dave.

His toilet had this like backup thing last night and it smelled horrible. But I was like, oh, but that also smells like the hot springs. It's healing. It's healing. And then I bathed in it. Rub it on yourself. I'm just kidding. And then I bathed in it. Rub it on yourself.

I'm just kidding. But anyway, on our way back from this 4th of July gig, we were somewhere in, actually, we were in a town called Mexican Waters, Arizona, and we were at this gas station. In the Navajo Nation. Yes, in the Navajo Nation. In the middle of nowhere.

How does that work? Do you have to go through there? Do you have to show ID to go through the Navajo Nation? No. Just drive through? No, you're good. You're pretty good to go. I don't think they want you to move there, though.

That's what I was figuring out. How does that work on reservations? You know, can you just drive in? We just went straight through. Yeah. Bought some jewelry. Kept going. And they were allowed to have totally different laws there, right? I believe so. No, yes, on reservations. All I know

as far as my experience with that sort of thing has to do with casinos. And yes, they have their own law. They definitely have their own law as far as that, right? If someone calls the cops on you and you're within the reservation of that territory, they have their own law or their own police force. Wow. Yeah.

That's kind of a fascinating trip, isn't it? Yeah. It's interesting. The most of it is crazy. The leftover remnants of genocide essentially but i think that if there's if there's if there's a um if there's some sort of situation that needs to go you know to a higher level then it's a federal um case and then it's so intense that's why i just try to mind my p's and q's when i'm going through uh indian reservations it's fascinating though

isn't it i mean it's almost like an admittance that it was all stolen. We'll just give you this one pot. So obvious that it was. Is there any greater way to admit it than to have this areas where you have a country inside a country. Gambling's cool. We like

gambling. Come on in. I wonder how federal aid works with that though. if that's a different thing because you have all these other places that are getting by from federal aid but then you say hey you do your own thing i you know like federal aid can't fuck with gambling money gambling money is way more than federal aid if you had to choose between getting federal aid or the fucking kazillions that casinos rake in. When you look at casinos, there's a reason why they're so big.

These are grand places. It's a lot of money getting exchanged there. It's such a huge gap from the top and the bottom. The people that actually own the casinos. A lot of tribes are actually, by birthright, you're part of the casino. Some very, very small tribes. There's a tribe called...

Everybody gets a check? check yes that's sweet shakopee if you're shakopee indian you're just you're a millionaire really yeah i tried i tried to prove it and no one believed me i was like come on don't you see the nothing no wonder what your dna test what if you i mean can they prove it how can they prove it um i should just like you have to have some sort of family tree? Yeah, there's got to be some sort of registration or proof. I actually have no idea, to be honest. No, I mean, yeah, I don't.

Let's figure they have it figured out. It is a trip, though, when you think about the fact that there's nations within a nation. Oh, yeah. There's Indian reservations. It's like, it's really weird. It is interesting. A lot of fights there. When California, when mixed martial arts was illegal, they used to have these fights in the Indian casinos.

Really? It's the only places that would happen. Yeah, the Indian casinos would let them come and we would do like King of the Cage. When was that? I guess it was the 90s. Oh, it was illegal in the 90s? I didn't know that. Yeah, like the late 90s. Oh, it was illegal in the 90s? I didn't know that. Yeah, like the late 90s.

Oh, wow. Because the UFC came about in 93, and it was illegal here after that. It was like you could – and then they got sanctioned. And when they got sanctioned, now we have fights here all the time. There's going to be one next weekend, actually, or August 3rd or 4th on Fox. So they have them here all the time but not back then you used to have to go to these casinos where like in the middle of nowhere you would drive like way deep down these weird fucking roads in the middle of nowhere and you'd find this casino and that's where they'd have king of the cage and it would be in a parking

lot and they fought outside oh man fight club style they fought outside. Oh, man. Fight club style. They fought outside. Indie rock fighting. Indie rock fighting, which is what we're organizing illegally. And one time it rained. These guys were fighting in this Indian casino in the rain on this slippery surface. So they're like throwing punches and flying through the air

and slipping and sliding all over the place. Compound fractures. It was pouring rain. That sounds horrible. Yeah, ridiculous. Ridiculous. But I mean, that was the kind of shit that was going on. And they were allowed to do that only because it was pouring rain. That sounds horrible. Yeah, ridiculous. Ridiculous. But, I mean, that was the kind of shit that was going on.

And they were allowed to do that only because it was Indian reservations. Really nuts. Stop and think about it. The Indians were like, come on in. Oh, my God. We'll take money. They're like, we'll take your money. Come on in, dude.

They had no problem with it. Why are you guys being such pussies? And meanwhile, they were right. Man, it's such an interesting subject because like you know i'm really into the show deadwood oh the hbo yeah i'm obsessed with it i i fix myself a whiskey and i watch it for hours maybe more than a whiskey um and it's you know it's beautifully shot and um you know but it's about deadwood the town um is it montana it's montana no oh wyoming wyoming i should know this as a diehard fan what an idiot um but anyway it uh

one of those old west yes old timey days but you know it was one of the last sort of one of the last towns um that was sort of its own law which is why you know it's so wild and there's all these you know crazy you know there's real cowboys right real cowboys which is why, you know, it's so wild. And there's all these, you know, crazy, you know, there's real cowboys. Right. Real cowboys on TV. But, you know, that when they're also, you know, in contention with, you know, local tribes and things, and there's these gnarly fights. And, you know, it's fictitious as a television show,

but it's also, you know, real in a sense that that was, that actually happened at one point. And it's, it's a really interesting sentiment to sort of really let sink in. And it makes me really sad, you know, because they were, they were just outcasts and, you know, then, then they were on these reservations and, you know, when you drive through there, it's a really interesting, interesting thing because there's casinos and, and then there's, there's these beautiful historical, um, you know, uh, monuments and things. And like there's art, um, there's music, there's, there's traditional elements. Um, and I, it's really, it's like this, like you're, you're sort of juxtaposed next to the traditional historic part and then the casinos and then like what's

happening now, which is a lot of poverty. And so it's, it's really, it's really a weird paradox to be in, you know, when you're going through there and we travel all the time. But, you know, not to,

not to go back to where I started, but the, the story was when we were talking about messing up a motel six hotel room, when we were going through Navajo Indian Country, we stopped at this gas station and I picked up a dog. She's this new little part of my life. Somebody left her there for a week. And it was really...

At a gas station? Yeah, yeah. She's amazing. And she just ran up to me and kind of gave me like a little dog hug. And I was like, oh, hello. Well, what are you doing here? And, you know, the people at the gas station were like, yeah, she's been here a week. You know, people drop their dogs off all the time.

And I was like, people can fucking suck it. I'm taking the dog. Good for you. But our first night with her, I think she was freaked out because she was outside for a week and you know eating out of dumpsters and then um you know we brought her into the hotel room and i had her outside for like 20 minutes i was trying to get her to go to the bathroom it was all day she wasn't going all day all day like she's saving it mind you we we thought we thought she was pregnant and i was like oh no this is gonna be really bad and then when we stopped at this this Walmart to get you know the necessary accoutrements for dogs like

you know treats leashes in the parking lot of the Walmart she took the biggest dog shit I've ever seen and I needed two bags and it was like five pounds disgusting but then she didn't know pregnant anymore yeah it was like she looked starving um but you know we we took her around and you know we basically um we're we're trying to get her to go and she she sort of went a little bit i think she's freaked out but uh to make a long story short in the middle of the night she hopped up not even we all went to bed she she hopped in bed with our tour manager and just peed like like in like gallons and this was after we you know we'd washed just as clumps of hair everywhere we washed her it was a big deal came in there was a wild dog

essentially no you know i don't think she's she definitely trained at all she is now she is that was the only time i've seen her just be an asshole and i was like her name's louise and i was like what the fuck louise seems like you're gonna go back to the shell gas station in a couple weeks no way no way no way i mean who hasn't peed the bed at some point right all right if you haven't peed the bed you're not taking enough chances you might like it yeah you probably you probably need to live a little more son we should really challenge ourselves ben and you know really just drink ourselves to sleep. How many close calls do you get, though, where you think about peeing in a dream, and you're like, you motherfucker, and then you wake up and you have to pee?

I can't say that I felt that in my adulthood. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I've never had it. It creeps on the door to me. But you have, Joe. Yep, I have. It creeps right up to the door.

It's like, man, maybe we just go into this bathroom real quick and pee, and I'll walk in and unzip, and I go, I'm not in a bathroom. It's like, man, maybe we just go into this bathroom real quick and pee. And I walk in and unzip and I go, I'm not in a bathroom. I'm sleeping, you motherfucker. And your wife's like, Joe, why are you peeing on me? Do you have an enlarged pee hole, Joe? No, it seems pretty normal. But it's, you know, there you go.

I talk in my sleep. That's as far as it goes, you know. Do you? I have full-on discussions. I could have a full-on conversation with someone and not know it and it was truthful which is you know what i should stop talking those are my favorite it is kind of fascinating though that you can have i mean i think most of us have had that happen in some time in your life where you thought you were at

a bathroom in your dream and you peed i haven't't done that. Never when you were a little kid? I don't think so. I actually peed where I woke up and I'm like, I'm peeing right now. This is crazy. I mean, I do that like once a week. Where are you? Are you in bed when this is happening? Imagine if Brian just came out and told us he pisses the bed once a week. That's so funny.

It's totally normal. That happens to me when I'm driving sometimes. I'm driving right now. I pee a little. Have you ever had to pee in the car? Never had to pee in the car. I've peed out of my door while driving into a bottle. Oh, God.

That's impressive and very dangerous. I've peed in a Gatorade bottle. You just got to. It's got a bigger mouth, so that's good. Exactly. Hey. It's got a bigger mouth, so that's good. Exactly. What's up? I think it's like, you know, if you're stuck in the car and you don't do that,

your options are piss all over yourself. Can't do that. Break something internally, right? It's hard to know where that line is. Right. Are you being a pussy? Or is this a little bit of pain? Well, it's easier for you guys to take care of that.

Oh, yeah, for sure. We have a nozzle. I'm definitely, I've definitely had some, got a run over. Actually, when we played Sasquatch, I went and peed behind a haystack. And I felt really good about it. I felt like it was really authentic for the festival that we were playing. And I was really in a bad spot. I had to go.

One of my favorite moments of travel and meeting random people has to do with a girl peeing in front of a hotel. I was with Mark the Hammer Coleman. He's this UFC heavyweight champion dude, and me and him were at this weird little strip club place in Augusta, Georgia. And this is like, we've probably been there. The pink pony. The pink pony.

I was going to say, no, that's in Atlanta. This is like 96, maybe somewhere around then, like 1996. And there's this girl that's working there and she's got really stinky breath and she keeps trying to talk to me. Oh, that's the worst. It was terrible. It was, she was really aggressive and she was one of those girls it was like a white girl but she talks like a black girl and she's like oh you don't even know what the fuck you're missing you know you don't even know

what the fuck you so she winds up mark winds up leaving we wind up and this girl is friends with a girl that is with mark so this girl you're? I'm stuck with her in the car. Oh, no. She's wearing wrestling pants or wrestling shoes and sweatpants. The whole time we're in the car. You don't know what the fuck you're missing. You don't know what... You're like,

I'm missing that roast beef sandwich you had for lunch because I can smell it. It was the most ridiculous thing ever. We get to the hotel and Mark grabs his friend and bails and leaves. Oh, no.

Literally grabs her and runs with her. And this one is stuck outside. So she's like, I need to know where Mark the motherfucking Hammer Coleman's room is. She's like yelling in the lobby. They kick her out of the hotel. She pulls down her pants, and she's peeing right in the foyer area. She goes, y'all got me out here Passing in the street

Like I'm some kind of fucking animal Oh my god I hope you videotaped that There was no videos back then In 1996 You had to have a fucking camera with you back then You'd be carrying some shit With VHS

Yeah, you had a big ass tape in it Wow I'll never forget her and she was sober right yeah they kicked her out when they were trying to kick her out she wanted to use the bathroom which is one of the things that people will do to try to regain control like if you're getting kicked out of a bar okay okay I'll leave let me use the bathroom first I'll leave so it's like you get to leave sort of on your terms, get a little dignity, get a little power back. That's what she was trying to do.

That's a good tip, actually. She's like, they were kicking her out. I need to know where Mark the motherfucking hammer comb is. They're like, ma'am, you have to leave. You have to leave. And the security came over. She's like, all right, I'll leave, but I need to use the bathroom. I need to use the bathroom.

She really did have to use the bathroom. She did. Squatted down and pushed her sweatpants forward so she wouldn't pee on them. I'll never forget the river of piss. I'll never forget standing there shaking my head. That sounds adorable. It was fantastic. I wish I knew her name because I could follow her on Facebook because I know she says some

awesome shit. Oh, fuck. You know? Y'all got me out here passing in the street like I'm some kind of fucking animal. I'll never forget that joke. Like. Like.

Follow. Yeah. Yeah, please. Man, those are fun. Road stories are the best. There's so many. You know, you meet the most interesting people and only for a second, you know? meet the most interesting people and only for a second you know um and uh

man do you find it weird how different the vibe is from city to city the cities are so they're so very it's so interesting isn't it like regionally yeah so much it's really bizarre when you try to absorb the whole united states as a whole and try to just wrap your head around how many different communities it entails, how huge it really is, and how different it really is in different parts. It's amazing. I prefer those sort of like peeing in the middle of the foyer

or lobby area moments. You like those moments? Which is usually, you're in the deep south. Yeah, there's some fun happening. Oh, yeah. Hopefully nobody gets shot. I feel like in the, not, you know, I love the south. Obviously I'm not, you know, calling out, you know, public urinating.

But, like, I find that in the southern style, you find a lot more sort of a candid kind of person. Right. That, you know, there's all these puns and things that are so brilliant, yet so simple. You know, like, you know, sweating like a whore in church. That's my favorite. Sweating like a whore in church. Yeah, that really is a Southern thing, isn't it?

That kind of thing. And there's so, I mean, they're infinite. There's so many of them. And I just, I want to go down there and study your puns, you know? I want to learn the the southern vernacular and it's like an arsenal of all these just amazing things and you know there's we had a good one our car had broken down we're in the parking lot of this place because uh we're just waiting for triple a or something to come and then we roll into this sandwich spot it was a subway possibly so it might have been a blimpie or something like that I don't matter um the point is and uh these

two people once we'd ordered the the woman who's making the sandwiches and this guy who walked in the door just started bringing up the Lorena Bobbitt story recently I think the Lorena Bobbitt had been released from prison or something or something had happened or or bob it uh the the man had done a porno or something like there was something he had done something that had happened in the media that the name was relevant but yeah and they're just conversing and then you know it gets this point this woman she's sitting there cutting her roast beef and she goes yeah she just threw that dick in the middle of the highway it It's like, how often do you hear that? And it was like, threw that dick in the middle of the highway. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Damn shit. You want mustard on this bitch? Yeah. It's like, do you want extra mayonnaise and some Chipotle sauce? Yeah. The South certainly has a lot of flavor. I love it.

A lot of flavor in the South. Yeah. I'm a big fan of Texas. It's one of my favorite places to perform. It's great. And I did my last special in Atlanta. Did you? Atlanta's the shit.

Yeah. That's probably been the place we spent the most time in strip clubs. We're just talking about strip clubs. One of those places called the Pink Pony. Pink Pony. Where is that? Costco strip clubs. Yeah, it was like the Walmart Costco strip clubs.

There's every flavor and just everything you want. It was our first strip club experience. Maybe. Yeah. Was it you? Not you. It was our first strip club experience. Maybe. Yeah. Was it you? Not you. It was mine. We were with our first record company.

Are you familiar with the band Jackal? I've heard the name. So, you know, it was the 80s, 90s? 80s. 80s and 90s? Started 80s, 90s. Yeah. What kind of music were they in?

I think he would... Cock rock. Is cock rock? Yeah, he would call it that. Yeah. What kind of music were they in? I think he would, Cock Rock is Cock Rock. Yeah, he would call it that. Okay. Well, there's a member of the band. Is he the lead singer? Yeah.

Probably. Jesse James Dupree. How many people are right now, dude, you don't know who Jackal is? Jackal. Well, Jesse James Dupree is an unbelievable, amazing human being and a good friend of ours.

And he actually was affiliated with our record company. Um, and, um, by the way, he plays the chainsaw. Huh? He plays the chainsaw on stage.

He had created a guitar out of a chainsaw. There's not too much of a, of a two notes that harmonious, um, you know, addition to the music, but it's more of like, it's a real chainsaw and he will

play it and then he'll usually like shred things like a wooden chair jesus yeah we played this show on stage we were opening for our friend rocco deluca and jesse james came out on stage and it's fucking terrifying because i'm like please please don't cut your leg off oh my oh my god he just watched how is that legal i know. Yeah. It just kind of happened, but they're playing this like dirty blues rock down to the cat. I am down, down to get down. And he just goes,

that is so crazy. Duel apart. That is so crazy. Yeah. What does the audience go? Bananas. Yeah. It's insane.

How can you not, you know, that must go ape shit. But the, but afterwards they took us in a like a banana yellow limousine from like the night like 80s or 90s like an old limo like like stretch limo we get picked up um by jesse and there they are there he is look at this oh my god oh my god you gotta find one with the chainsaw.

I can hear it. Oh, there it is! That's it, that's it, that's Jesse! Holy shit. This is beyond awesome. Jesse, that man took us to my first strip club experience. Man, he can really belt it. He's very ACDC-esque. Yes, yes, yes. They have a huge following. Man, he can really belt it. He's very ACDC-esque.

Yes, yes, yes. They have a huge following. I mean, I think they tour every summer for like a month or so. But he's incredible. And so we were in Atlanta for like 10 days, like four years ago. Five years, probably longer than that. Five or six years ago. We were brand spanking new. We hadn't even done our first record yet.

We're just trying to figure out how to, we're like, okay, I guess this is what bands do. And we get picked up by Jesse James Dupree in a yellow taxi stretch limo, but from the 1991. So it's a real old looking vehicle. And there's a case in Miller Lite and he's like, we're going to the strip club.

And I just, I remember being like, i think this is what we're supposed to do we're supposed to fucking get down and like and then like you know flash cut to like these fucking huge tits in my face and i'm getting my first lap dance paid for by another record exec and you know she kind of bit my neck and that was fun you know but it was just like it was really weird and she and i smelled like her later you know and i just remember being like wow okay but um it's a weird thing yeah it's a weird thing yeah i was like 21 years old i think very strange like gray area you know because it's not prostitution no but it's an intimate But they're intimate with you for money. They want to get close to you.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with it. I don't think there's anything wrong with prostitution. I think if you want to do it, I don't recommend it, but I would say that there shouldn't be laws against it. Legalize it. Yeah, if there's not laws against fucking people, why should there be laws against fucking people for money?

That's crazy. That doesn't make any sense. It's like, it should be legal. I mean, I'm not saying you should do it. You definitely shouldn't do it. It's gross. Don't do it. There's a freedom, though.

I mean, I don't know how I feel about it, to be honest with you. I'm just kind of like, you know, just everybody take care of yourselves. Yeah, everybody take care of yourself, but I think the less, like, laws like that. Like, why? Who says? Because it doesn't restrict anything it just still happens then it just happens illegally and it just happens

illegally and then people are doing things that are risky isn't it legal in vegas yeah nevada no it's not it's legal it's legal in certain parts of nevada a very small area we did a thing for it on the man show it's like it's like uh one county i think it's really oh yeah that's the they had hbo show on that right there was a okay that's really. Oh, yeah. They had an HBO show on that, right? Yeah, Bunny Run. Okay. That's really interesting. Do whatever the fuck you want to do. That's really interesting because that particular brothel, if you will, to throwback, is very, you know, it looks like they have a nice system, you know, as far as being clean and safe. You know, the clients that come in, you know, it's not like hoes are getting cut.

Yeah, I mean, look. If that's where you want to work, you should be able to work there. It seems to me that you're not hurting anybody. If our Kickstarter account doesn't take off, guys, you can find me in that one county in Nevada. Don't tease.

That's what's keeping you? People. Band or horn. She's like, that's all there is. There's no little baby steps. I don't want to be a clerk in a 7-Eleven.

Fuck working at Wendy's. No way. Although actually, before I would do that, I would love to work at Trader Joe's. Trader Joe's? They get benefits

and everybody's so happy there. Healthy food. Probably get a discount. But if they didn't hire me, I would definitely end up in that brothel. Definitely. Definitely. There's not a lot of options here.

It's pretty obvious that's where I'd be. I think it's weird when you watch those movies of the Old West when they always had a brothel and it was always like every fucking street was exactly the same. It was a dirt road and there was a bunch of buildings real close

to each other on one side and a bunch and that was the whole fucking town i mean it's like the most unoriginal architecture set up ever you know it was like the dumbest engineering one straight town there's your brothel there's your billiards but now it's fun it's like entertainment has no bounds you know what i mean like there's so many different flavors now it must have sucked so hard to be stuck in the wild west could you imagine how bad I don't know

yeah actually yes very little laws I mean it's just people were jacked we were talking about this when we both got into Deadwood it's like I'm sure

you had to get used to body odor because I'm sure people smelled fucking terrible all the time just think about a point in our history

where it was an actual reality that people would have draws they would draw each other and see who could pull their gun out the quickest and shoot you There was a point in our history where it was an actual reality that people would have draws. They would draw each other and see who could pull their gun out the quickest and shoot you. That was an actual reality that there were gunfighters. They didn't brush their teeth and they shot each other. That's gross. By a lot of town, you get killed.

You get killed by bandits or something or the Indian tribe that you stole the land from is going to kill you. Yeah, and there's a lot of those towns that didn't make it. They were there for a little while, and then the mine dried up, or whatever the fuck was dragging people there dried up, and that's it. And then you can go through a whole town and see a real ghost town. Oh, yeah, it's fascinating. Ooh, that's a trip. You can feel the energy of like...

Fuck yeah, you can. It's pretty wild. That sounds so hippy-dippy, but there's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake, and I think he believes that there's some type of memory in everything. And the idea is that even objects, they actually do contain some sort of memory. That's why people get creeped out in a house where someone was murdered. Even though it happened a long time ago, you don't want to be in that house. You don't want to be in that spot.

It was like New York City. I feel like there's such a powerful energy there because there's so much residual memory there. You know what I mean? There's definitely that. There's an energy to it, right? I remember we were there a couple months ago. We were on tour,

and we were stopping to get some lunch, and in the middle of um i'm not sure like midtown area wasn't there there's this like cemetery literally in the middle tiny little cemetery in the middle of the block and it was so interesting because i think it was sanctioned off like you couldn't build anything there it was it was legitimately protected and it was so like it was from like was And it was so, it was from like, was it like the 1800s or something?

Well, then you realize all these towns, like New York used to be a city like that town. I mean, it wasn't just one street. Do you remember Gangs of New York? That was a pretty awesome movie. Fuck, that was an awesome movie. Cameron Diaz, Redhead, what? Yeah, Daniel Day-Lewis. Gotta love him.

Just killing motherfuckers. God damn it, that dude's a bad motherfucker. That movie, Jesus Christ. What did Bill the Butcher, is that what his name was? That wasn't what New York was really like. You think of New York, it's always being like, beep, beep, honk, honk. No, no, no, no.

They were on fucking horses, man. They started out on horses. Yeah, with cleavers jacking each other and wars in the streets. Have you read any caleb carr books no there's a book called the alienist um and then uh angel of darkness um but he he's an incredible author and had written these amazing stories about new york and they're very dark um but circa like crime novels or historical crime novels they're amazing and it's like this it puts you in this world the late

1800s in new york city um and and it bases around this figure who's using psychology to solve these serial uh killings for the first time you know like the first time that psychology and psychiatry is used to analyze these crimes um anyway but yeah but like the visual of the town is pretty wild because it's he uses actual um like actual places that were you know relevant to the time and it's you know it's pretty pretty interesting you know there's a lot of gangs like gangs in new york and things like that and cocaine and prostitution and you know all the great things that are happening now. Probably less now. Right? They were crazy back then.

There was a lot. I mean, the idea of living in sort of a semi-lawless place like that where you just kind of count on the sheriff to right a wrong and go get this poor guy and he's ready to retire and he's got a stupid gold star on like in the movies. And that's what life on the road is like. Looking out for the sheriff. Who the sheriff and honey honey oh god i don't know i think we passed the badge you guys having a power struggle right in front of me definitely not

oh let's not talk about it i was up three was up three games, okay? I was up three nothing, and I was fucking killing it. I was blown. And then I got cocky, and it's my fault. But you know what? How can you say it's your fault? Because, well, I got cocky, and then my knee started to hurt, and I couldn't get those far right shots, and I lost 6-3, and I felt like a chump.

And I got really mad, and I didn't talk to Ben for like an hour. You got mad when you lost? Yeah, yeah. I was really competitive. I was above. That was a big moment for me because I've really mad and I didn't talk to Ben for like an hour. You got mad when you lost? Yeah. I was really competitive. I was above. That was a big moment for me because I've really been sucking. I know. That's something to get over. Some people have to learn how to not be angry at people when they play games with them.

For real. When I was a little kid, I used to have that. Really? Yeah, I'd be angry if I played a game with someone and they beat me. I'd be angry. You know what's funny? I only do that with Ben. I swear to God.

That can't be true. You weren't really upset at him for an hour. No, I was upset with myself. But it was just a game. No, not really. She thinks she's entitled to beating me. Yeah. Are you a tennis player?

If she's not beating me, something is wrong. Are you some kind of a tennis player? Can you see this shit? Whoa, damn, you swole. Why? Don't zoom on that. The new mood's working. Yeah, it's already kicking in.

The whiskey's getting yoked. I know, I'm feeling warm. I'm feeling warm. How long have you been playing tennis? I don't know. I mean, I didn't play. Well, when I retired as a professional. Damn it.

Probably like six or seven years, you know. But like recreationally speaking. It's something that always looked really fun to me. It's great. It's a great workout. I played it once. It's a total body kind of thing. My friend Rich Seisler is a really good tennis player.

I played with him once. It's good times. I don't know how to play it. You know, to be honest with you, it's really fun. We actually started playing as a band because both our bass player and drummer play. And, you know, when you're on the road, you have very few opportunities to get physical exercise. Tennis should be a good way to get it out. It's great.

Yeah. We have a really good time. So the, the whole competitive thing is harmless. It's just kind of funny. There's like, you have these little championships within yourself where I'm like, I'm going to beat Ben because I'm,

I need this right now. I'm going to play the solo tonight. He's not allowed to talk into the microphone. You guys have negotiations. That's kind of cool. Do you ever have rock, paper, scissors to what song you start with? All the time. We do it on stage all the time.

It's really funny. You guys seem to get along really well for a guy and a girl in a band together. We were just talking about that on our way over here, actually, because it's really difficult right now. There's a lot of... I've been a real asshole. No, you haven't. You've been fucking great.

I've been the asshole. I was such a dick on the way over here. I was so... So basically, we're dealing with... But really, were you really a dick? I was. I was like, I wanted to kick my dashboard. Because I haven't slept for like three days we've been on the road

and you know sometimes you drive after a show and then you get to a hotel and like in my mind I'm like you have to sleep if you don't sleep you're going to be fucked tomorrow and then I'm thinking about sleeping and I don't sleep and then you get exhausted and with exhaustion comes

like a slight bout of depression. And I'm not a depressive person. When I am, I have to really tackle it because I want to rise above. But it's definitely another element that you really have to contend with on the road because you're constantly in these uncomfortable positions. You're not eating well. You're not sleeping. You're playing every night and you're traveling and you're like in a van for eight hours sometimes 10 12 hours depending on the drive which is part of

where we're at and part of why we should talk about our kickstarter campaign um because it's it's you know where we're at basically but i I was kind of a monster on the way over here. We were in bumper-to-bumper traffic. Harsh words were said. And I was, not to you. It was mainly about myself. I don't attack you or your person. But we were talking about how funny it is that after being a band for seven years,

we're pretty resilient. At the end of the day, Ben's my best friend. And I love him. And I don't want to make him feel bad or hurt him ever well i feel like that's why we've been able to be a band for seven years because we've just been fighting the whole goddamn time that's how it works you're stupid no you're stupid you're no but we we figure out how to make up every time you know what i mean that's like that's what what are the biggest thing what are the fights usually about? Does it vary? Well, the first thing that comes to mind is driving. I get mad at you.

Yeah, we fight a lot in the car when it's like, turn left, turn left. I said turn left. Well, that kind of shit. Put your seatbelt on. That's always a lot of fun. That's always really fun. But it's like the stupid shit. It's stupid.

You know what I mean? Oh, no. Did you guys watch our video? No, not yet. Oh, no. What is this? That's our Kickstarter video. I should go to the bathroom now.

What is the Kickstarter thing about? What's it about? Well, you should watch it. And then I guess we'll talk about it. Some of these people are listening. There he is. Are you ready? We need money for our next tour.

We love you too, Viola. You've been so brave. So brave. Joe, we're sorry we didn't show you this earlier. What is this? For folks, they have a chicken and lipstick on their face. Donkey guru. They're about to have sex with a donkey.

We have traveled hundreds of miles to see you. We are on a dark path and we seek your counsel. We are on a dark path and we seek your counsel. In exchange for your advice we offer you the body of Suzanne, my bandmate and friend. She is a young woman, nubile, very flexible. Excuse me, Donkey Guru. We're actually unoffering the body of Suzanne. I think what my associate meant to say is he's offering his own body to you. No, that's not what I meant.

I'm positive that's what he meant. That's not what we talked about. Absolutely. I thought we talked about you in the dunk. No, we didn't talk about this at all. I just figured I don't know there's something. I don't think, I think that's a terrible idea. Okay, what about the chicken?

It's a rooster. Whatever. In exchange for your pearls of wisdom nuggets, we would like to offer our very warm and loving companion violet von roosterstein violet has been with us for the past 47 days we found him in new mexico we hope you humbly accept this this offering So the rooster is going towards the donkey and they're on their knees. Now the donkey is having sex with the rooster for you audio listeners. That poor rooster.

He liked it. Take your time, donkey. He's still having sex with it. He's slow. Making love. He just really likes the's slow how high were you guys when you made this I mean it really showcases Ben's acting skills this is one of the weirdest fucking things I've ever seen in my life doesn Doesn't get less weird. We have one last thing we can offer you. Our most prized possession. No!

We took a little off the top, but that's fine. We share it with you this way. Take this piece of our heart. No, no, no, no, no, no. We're just looking for answers, guys. You gave the Jack Daniels to the donkey? I didn't give you the fucking Jack Daniels. How do we get back to the road? Look donkey

We're sorry if we've wasted your time But this isn't for us You don't have the answers We're looking for We're gonna go now Thank you And goodbye You know what? Fuck you

Fuck you donkey I'm gonna kill you You guys And goodbye. No. You know what? Fuck you. Fuck you, donkey. Fuck you, donkey. No, I'm going to kill you, dog. You guys might. This is what we do when we're not touring. You guys might be crazy. We have to see the whole thing. There's a purpose to this.

If you've made it this far, you are either a diehard Honey Honey fan or you're just really into donkeys. Which is understandable because the donkey is a magnificent beast um we created this kickstarter project to fund our rigorous and also vigorous touring schedule which as emotionally priceless as it is which is the truth has left a gaping black hole where the money should be. Life's hard. But you've got to roll with it. You've got to roll with it. Our goal is to raise $17,000.

This will cover our van rental, our tour manager, our stalwart bandmates, Patrick Taylor, also known as P.T. Jazz, and Jerry Porter, Uncle Jiggity. Jigs. Jigs. Also gas and merchandise. We're so thankful for all the support we've gotten this far. We just want to keep making this music,

performing it all over the country, maybe the world. And whether you donate money or just send your happiness and good vibes and love, we are overjoyed to be reaching you and touching you. Touching you deeply.

Being touched by you. You definitely touched us. I recognize. You guys really gotta go to the doctor. There's something going on. 9,000! Ben, we're at 9,100! That's great! I going to refresh it now

because this hasn't been refreshed oh my god that's fantastic still 9,100 I feel like I'm on to make a deal that's great though no that's good

that's really good but honestly is this what people are doing now oh yeah yeah is this the new thing yeah we've been like one of

it's great in like the last six months I feel like all these people are coming out with these Kickstarters. And so how does it work? It's like you just, you tell them what you need. Like if you want to, like say like you want a pizza. Right. Like you want to order a large piece, you don't have any money.

Put a Kickstarter saying like, hey, help me buy this pizza. People, and if I can make $15, I'll let you have a bite if you're anywhere near me. And then they give you $15. and then you go buy a pizza. We actually have an incredible reward system. It's really fun. I swear to God. You were talking about workouts earlier. I mean, the top reward for – I feel like I should go from the bottom and start.

But the biggest reward is if someone donates a thousand dollars which is a incredible you know donation um unless you're a player well i mean damn damn well there you go up and drop a k1k on honey honey band what up other than all the the rewards beneath the thousand dollars which are really fun a workout video specifically to you. As warriors of the road, we have devised effective and innovative measures to stay in a quasi-peak physical condition,

employing tactics like sarcasm, clawing temptation, and yelling. Let us be your Billy Blanks. You guys are ridiculous. What is wrong with you guys? It's the times. Debra mentioned it. I have a question, though. Is that what it is or is it just you guys? Depends on the times. Depends on the measures.

I have a question, though. Is that what it is, or is it just you're silly? The $500 one, it says you get a half-hour Skype with Whiskey, with Hangout, with Suzanne and Ben. You get to cam with you. Now, Ben, do you have to be there? I do, actually. What is the over-under?

Oh, come on, Brian. But I'll take this off, too. What's the over-under on dick pics? I don't know. How many are you going to get in return? Hello. Can you see them? Hopefully a lot.

Can you see them as they see you on Skype? Two-way street. That's what that could be. It is, right? Yeah. You ain't see a lot of dicks. I haven't cammed in a while, but a half hour with whiskey, I think it might get a little weird. Have you heard this Facebook push? They're trying to get people to log into YouTube comments through Facebook

so that you use your own identity. No. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. I like that idea. That would stop a lot of cuntiness. No change in commenting. Yeah, stop a lot of cuntiness. What if you found out the cuntiest comments Were by someone you know

You son of a bitch That's the worst You son of a bitch Cunt comments can really get under your skin But you really need to be the better man And walk away You do but it's a fascinating thing That people can just reach out to you

What if we find out it's all just one person Like the chocolate rain dude or something like that? Chocolate rain dude? We met him, Brian. Remember when we met that guy? Yes, I do. We did this one of those weird things

for Twitter. It was for Twitter, right? Wasn't it? The Twitter fest. Yeah, Twitter fest. We met the chocolate rain guy. You got to pee? Yeah, I do.

I'll be back. You guys talk about chocolate rain guy and I'll... We're going to talk about you. Teach me. By the way, FYI, if Brian gives you a chocolate bar and says only eat half, I would say only eat a quarter.

That's what I would say. Is it strong? You know what it's like? It's like you're trying to do a bear run up an icy mountain. That's what it's like. Your eyes do look pretty fucked up. Oh, my God. It's ridiculous.

It's probably as high as I've ever been on Earth doing a podcast. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Are you baking your own bars there, Brian? No, he just gets them. We were talking about how ridiculous these things are because you never know what the actual dosage is. It's part of the problem with it being illegal. Well, you do. It's not really regulated either.

This is like the LA Speedweed, and on the back it says 17% THC, and it tells you the amount that's in it. But you have no idea what that means. It's like, oh, yeah, it's 17% THC. Well, we live literally in the wild west of weed. I mean, this is a crazy time. There's never a time like that where you can go to a store and there's hundreds of them, and you can just buy the weed like that.

That shit didn't even exist before. Look at that. Actually, it says right here, package contains 1.5 grams of Skywalker OG. So these gummy bears... That'll give you an idea. Yeah, 1.5. If you eat all of them? Yeah, if you eat all of these.

Sort of. What's that candy bar say? What does a normal one have? What's your candy bar say? How many grams is that? Here. Oops. Sorry.

This contains, where does it say? Did they actually have to do that? Is that like a new thing? No, I think that they just do it. The L.A. Speedweed people do it. Oh, okay. So there's some people who have like a new thing? No, I think that they just do it, the LASP weed people. Oh, okay. So there's some people who have like a system.

Yeah. So you just got to get used to their system. Right. Because you never really know. That's the weirdest thing. Like you can buy from some places. First of all, the people that work there, they can – if you work at a weed store, chances are you go deep.

You know? Chances are you go really deep. So they go, well, i would say eat a half don't listen to them don't listen half is too much oh this is a one ounce oh man are you guys taking edibles i just got back what's happening yeah unfortunately i think we took a little too much oh no you got some chocolate no i'm really good i i I recently had a very troubling experience with that. With an edible? Yeah.

No, I don't really smoke weed that often. I'll hang sometimes, but I kind of just turn into an idiot. Right. And when we were at Coachella, my buddy gave me a Jolly Rancher. And I, you know, rarely. Like every once in a while, you know, smoke a little bit. You knew what it was? Yeah, and they were like, take half.

And I was like, I can't really fucking bite it, so I'll just take the whole thing. I was so fucking high. I was so excited to see Radiohead for the first time. Oh, sweet. And I was up front. Like, thank God, like they did this incredible thing where they gave you an artist viewing area. And I was right up front. And I literally felt like i

was floating above them and i was freaking out wow it was amazing actually you know what i'll be honest with you i'll totally out myself as a girl um how dare you the the super fucking foxy dude from true blood was standing next to me the the werewolf. Which one's that? The werewolf. His name's Joe Mingionello. I really need to track that. He's a beautiful man. And, you know, you can tell he probably uses a kettlebell. So let's talk about his incredible pectoral muscles. No, I didn't meet him.

I was just high as a kite. And I was by myself, which was probably stupid on my part. And I looked to my right, and he's standing next to me. And I went, oh, my God. And then he looked at me, and I went, ha! No, you didn't. Yes, I did. And then he kind of slowly started to drift through the crowd. And I was like, oh, my God.

I've dreamed about this moment. This is not how it's supposed to go. It's supposed to involve a lot of other things that are really exciting and incredible and it didn't happen and i was just mortified and how it yeah what a fucked up time to me i hope that there are second chances out there let me tell you but i found ben and i was like ben you can't leave me i can't feel my face yeah Yeah, if you don't get high a lot, if you don't smoke a lot of pot, you really shouldn't be fucking around with those edibles. I'm just a boozer.

Especially around like 100,000 people. I like to booze, smoke cigarettes. Yeah, I think that's exactly the wrong place. It's very tricky. Well, you know, you learn your lesson, guys. And I consider myself humbled by my experiences at this past 2012 Coachella. I've said this a hundred times on the podcast,

but just in the interest of information, when you eat it, it's a totally different thing. When you eat marijuana, it's processed by your liver and it produces something called 11-hydroxy metabolite. This is like four to five times more psychoactive than THC. So that's what's going on. So when you take it and you don't feel high, you feel like a disassociative.

Like you're gone. Well, I felt like I was hallucinating. I really did. Well, it is. Between Radiohead and The Light Show, shit was happening. I was floating. Well, if you closed your eyes, too, you would see amazing things behind your eyelids.

I mean, you see them. I've taken it and gone on planes before, and you have these shows where it'll do this show under your eyelids. I mean, you see, I've taken it and gone on planes before and you have these shows where it'll do this show under your eyelids. Like you close your eyes and you watch like neon cartoon things fuck each other. Oh, it's incredible. I mean, it's super potent shit.

And it's, you know, it's not the same thing as the smoking. It's a totally different experience. And it's not something you should just play around with. Do you remember that thing where the cops stole some pot from some kids? In the movie Super Troopers? No, it wasn't in the movie Super Troopers.

It was in a real life situation. And they called 911. They thought they were dying. They thought they had been poisoned. They thought they were dying. They thought they might be already dead. Wait, I'm sorry. The cops took these kids' weed and then they ate it. they thought they were dying they thought they might be already dead wait i'm sorry the cops the cops did the cops took these kids weed and then they ate it and

then they called 9-1-1 the cops actually called 9-1-1 because they thought they were dying they were they were freaking out so bad they're like you gotta call 9-1-1 okay i'll call them i'll call them fuck it i'm gonna call them do you think it was just regular no they thought they were poisoned or something brownies but i mean do they eat them because they're like oh those look tasty no they they were they stole kid's pot and made pot brownies. And these fucking dummies didn't know how to handle it. They didn't know what the dosage was. So then they freak out and then they call 911 and they have to fucking explain where they got all the weed from.

What happened, you crazy assholes? They thought they were dead. Man. You can't get that high. Apparently, eating hash is like the nuttiest thing ever. And there's like ancient texts of like these incredible psychedelic experience that people experienced while they were eating hash. And so it was like it was the root of a lot of their, you know, the idea about the mystical world, you know, was based on this consumption of hash and these crazy wild fucking trips they would go on.

Yeah, I think it's really similar to mushrooms. Yeah. The edibles. When you eat a lot, yeah, it gets really similar. When you eat a lot, it gets really similar. It gets really self-examinatory. You know, it's like great for clearing out psychic baggage and, you know, exposing parts of your brain. Like people call it insecure or they call it paranoid.

But really it's probably just being aware, you know. I mean, you should kind of be freaking out a little bit, you know. We live in a crazy world. That's kind of like after you have like a really good cry. And then after that you're totally like, everything's cool. You can handle whatever because you got it all out. You're too exhausted to bullshit. So you just have to be at your truth.

Whoa. Yeah, dude. Some of your best ideas come when you're fucking exhausted. Maybe that's what's good about how we feel right now ben because we're i i feel like i i might spontaneously combust sometimes you guys are in a tough fucking business man you guys are super talented in a tough business you're in a weird spot thank you if you came, you are. You're in a weird spot. Because if you guys had come along like just a

decade earlier, it would have been a real simple path to record sales. It would have been a simple path to your own personal financial independence. Just based on your art. Well, maybe. You know, it's tough. Everyone talks like there was some easy time. There never was. I don't know if there ever was.

But what I'm saying is that at least you could sell records then. Yeah, that's true. You can't sell records anymore. You can, but the amount that it's been chewed down because of – I mean, it's probably pretty good with iTunes, but it's nowhere near what it used to be. Not even close. What is the damage?

How much has the music industry, record sales and stuff, you think, been damaged by the Internet? Well, I mean, CDs have basically killed CDs. And that's what most of the structure has been based around. All these distribution methods, all these companies have built themselves up around physical products, but that doesn't really exist. So now they're trying to adjust to these digital sales methods. And there isn't the framework. Right, so they have to invent it on the fly methods and there isn't like the framework you know right so they have to invent it on the fly and some companies fail and or they just do they have to listen to

what itunes tells them you know whereas before they were kind of making up the rules you know wow that's crazy how quickly it changed isn't it you should talk about that spotify thing what's about oh yeah i heard they screw people what i I heard Spotify's been screwing artists. Oh, hell yeah. We've got $9,400 on our... What? We got another $300 on our Kickstarter. Somebody told me recently that Spotify doesn't pay the artists very well. They don't.

Barely at all. At all. It's like pennies on the dollar. And that's like most internet things because they're trying to figure out how you could possibly offer this huge library of stuff to somebody for like 10 bucks a month you know because that's what people want to pay right well how could they do that right yeah the idea is like that that becomes like a like a like a free trade radio sort of a situation yeah yeah yeah but i mean here's the thing it's like i don't i don't feel't feel like aggro or malicious or angry towards that mentality

because as long as people are listening that's great we're a live band at the core so when we're touring is when we're actually generating some sort of income which is great but at this point you have to find these clever ways to try and make a living and I don don't think we're, I don't think we're far, but like the reason we're doing this Kickstarter account is because we just want that, like that just a little bit of a leg up so we can support the people that are around us that are working very hard, you know, almost just as hard as we are.

as we are and and then you know keep keep the sort of windfall ball rolling you know that that can you know get to that place where you're really sustained you know and you're really you're really going and um you know at the end of the day we're talking about how hard it is here and there and like we're we're tired and uh but like we made this choice and we know that and i'm i wouldn't do anything else you know unless i if i'm doing this for 10 years. But I don't think that's going to happen, you know, hopefully. But, you know. You don't think what exactly is going to happen? In 10 years, I'll have to find another job. You don't ever have to find another job, right?

I mean, isn't it all just about more people seeing your stuff, more people hearing your stuff? It's never really about finding another job. Yeah, it's just a slow build, man. Yeah, it's a slow build. I think that was the point. You don't ever really think about stopping this and finding another job, do you? No.

Because I'll fucking cry. No, don't you cry, Joe Rogan. Don't you dare. But is it frustrating? Oh, yeah. I mean, we're both crashing with friends and stuff like that. But that's okay. Like, that's part of being a musician.

It's like, you don't get rich, you know, quickly. And you don't, you know, sometimes you never get rich. And it's not about getting rich. We're trying to do what we love for a living. And it's hard right now. And you need a lot of help from your friends. Like, it's hard right now but and you need a lot of help from your friends like in this in this day and age artists make the majority of their money touring it's a majority either that or there's like publishing channels that still exist if you get your stuff on a tv

show tv somewhere there's actual money there but that's such a tiny window you know so and what we're trying to do is just get to a point where we can have the people who support us really get to a point where we can support ourselves. You know what I mean? It's a really interesting concept, the idea of, like, forming little communities like that on the Internet. You know, because, you know, you're reaching out to the people that really enjoy your stuff. And they want to hear more of your stuff. Like, you can go right to the people that really enjoy your stuff and they want to hear more of your stuff. You can go right to them. It's just you, your voice, your little Kickstarter video,

right to them, no filter, no nothing. A donkey. That was fun. I'm sure it was. You really tested people's patience. I was like, what are you trying to do here? In the end, it was really funny. It really came together well.

But I was like, you guys are, you guys, you're on drugs. You're not telling me the truth. That's amazing. I'm so glad. We just didn't want to sit in front of a camera and be like, this is what we want to do. Right, right.

Well, you know, you guys are silly. We'll film out of it with farm animals. You guys are silly. But it's good to be silly, you know? Too many people are trying too hard to be cool you know you're way better off being silly right it's pretty ridiculous silly is fun yeah silly is fun serious is annoying that was a important moment i think when we realized as joe was watching it's like oh wait we made a movie with a donkey in a field. And a chicken.

I'm like, what the fuck is with the lipstick on the cheeks? It's a rooster. What are you guys doing? Yeah, your chicken rooster thing. Hey, Brian, we're never going to put oil on that door. You know why? Because people are complaining about it. Are they really?

Yeah, man, fucking you, please put some WD-40 on that door. It's a fucking door, man. You trip, and when you're in your house and you're having a conversation and somebody opens up the door do you trip do you go what the fuck mom yes

grow up you little baby so the door squeaks who cares so many people can be so negative assholes you experiencing a lot of love

on the road though I got I saw a lot of positive tweets about people that went to see you I saw a lot of that oh my road, though? I saw a lot of positive tweets about people that went to see you. I saw a lot of that. Oh, my God. We got so much Rogan love, honestly.

Oh, it was amazing. Every single place we went. This is no joke. It's like there'd be at least, if it was a small night, there'd be like five or ten people that came from this. But like in every city. There was like a good 40% to 50% of fans from you, which was really cool. Cincinnati was a huge one.

Yeah. A lot of great people. That's so is really cool. Cincinnati was a huge one. Yeah. A lot of great people. That's so awesome to hear. Those Ohio people are great. The fan base in Ohio is huge. That's why we need to go back to Ohio. Yeah, okay. We'll figure out more.

Go give Cleveland some love. They need you guys. I like Cleveland, too. Yeah, it's a good town. I did Cleveland with Charlie Murphy. Oh, nice. Where was the venue? I forget.

It was one of the comedy clubs. It was, man, I don't remember which one it was might have been the improv there's an improv there right yeah man no was the was like hilarities or something i don't remember sorry i did it i did a tour with charlie murphy we did like 22 cities oh wow yeah and like it was a month. So it was like constant. You never knew where you were. That's crazy. Yeah. I did Grog Shop. Oh, yeah. Okay.

With Joey Diaz. That's awesome. What is that? It's Grog Shop. That's where me and Joey Diaz went last month or two months ago. Oh, that's the club you went to? Is that Columbus or Cleveland? That was in Cleveland.

Yeah. So you guys went to like a rock club or something like that? Yeah. It was like a, I think they do both. But yeah, I think it's mostly music. But it was cool. It was a nice little place. Nice setup.

Dude. A lot of penises on the walls in Grog Shop. That's how you know it's a punk rock. Every time we play there and my family's there, I'm just kind of like, ah. Is there too many penises on the wall? But it's great. Yeah, and yeah. They got a deal.

It's like it used to be a real grunge kind of punk bar, you know, rock. And then we'd get in there and we'd play like, folk rock blues music, and it's fine. You make it work. Did you ever run into, like, a stumbling block where people didn't want to hear that kind of music? You ever in a situation where, like, nobody knows who you are and you want to go and do your stuff and for whatever reason people, like, heckle or act negatively?

We've been so lucky, man. I feel like we've played in all these situations where we're completely different, that we've opened for a lot of headliners that we don't sound anything like. And no one's ever really put us down. No, and I've got this arsenal of comebacks that I'm ready for to throw out at that one guy

who's being a dick. And I can't use them because everybody's been pretty nice to us. You guys are creepy. I'm not inviting anyone because everybody's been pretty nice to us. You guys are creepy. I'm not inviting anyone to be a jerk. Please love us. You guys are creepy talented. You guys are really good. You guys are.

You know, when we went to see you live, I was like, this is like, it's crazy that you can watch someone like that close like singing. Like it's such a different experience when you're in a club. I guess it's probably the same as a comic too like when you're you're in front of like a tight group of a few hundred people just jammed into a place that really is like the best scenario right that's like the best kind of show

it was so powerful it's like wow this is wild I am fascinated by music because I can't do it at all so I'm watching you guys do magic you know what I mean you're putting together songs and you're playing instruments to me I'm like you're doing magic I can't do that I can't do anything with it so it's amazing it's so fascinating it's really inspirational

I don't know man I appreciate that but you know just to throw it back it's like we have a set list and we have this like you know rarely do you have to go off book quote unquote like every once in a while you get a heckler but we we like people we like to hang you know what's fine it's like you heckle back and then you do your thing but like you know with comedy i feel like when you get you know you also have a sort of set list quote you know so to speak or your material that you have planned um but the off the cuff kind

of um stuff and is is kind of terrifying because you can't have a lull in your comedic set like you can when you're tuning your guitar in a in a musical set yeah nobody wants to wait while you get your shit together exactly they don't they don't you have to be so exactly it's like they're they're they need to be so. Keep with the jokes. They need to be stimulated like, you know, almost to the second. Yeah, but it's still way easier than what you guys do. I don't know. Do you want to fight about this?

I don't have to. I don't have to work with anybody else. Oh, there's the Angel of Death video. I'm pretty sure there's a Joe Rogan and Brian Redman appearance in there. It's great. It turned out so great. Thank you. We did.

We're so excited. And it was also really weird seeing a lot of the Martin Star. The people here. Yeah. And then seeing them because I didn't get to see

their scene. Oh, you did. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. So it was really cool to see like these people that I talked to all day. Not to be totally graphic,

but he said, I'm going to, I'm going to come. Doesn't that guy look like Daniel Pitchcock? He did that on purpose. He was like, I'm just going to explode there. Good for you, Martin. And the pastor dude was really cool. I guess he just does a lot.

Oh, there's Jason Ritter, who was awesome to hang out with him that day. He's a sweet dude. Why'd you kill him? I don't know. Because he wasn't, he didn't love me enough. That was funny when he did the zipper part. That was perfect. Man, he thought he was going to get some, and then that's how bitches get killed.

How rude. How rude. So you've been getting a lot of road booty? I mean, do you have a lot of guy fans that are... Whoa! Just get right to the point. Brian, how rude. Brian, let's talk about your girlfriends, and then I'll talk about my boyfriends.

No, don't talk about his girlfriends. Okay, let's not. He's an alien. Yeah, I was going to say, I thought one of them had a tail, like a literal tail. No, no, no. Please, please, please. Just kidding. I'm sure they're beautiful and lovely and very smart.

I'm single. Are you really? Shazam, son. That was a message. Welcome to the club. Well, what are you doing later? It's called Green Light. Do you want to hang out with Honey Honey?

Yes, I do. Time to rumble. Honey Honey and Jack. Ben just excused himself. Pass the bottle and the ice. Let's get shit popping. Oh, my God. How many days, when you guys go on the road, how many days do you go for?

Like, what's a long? Two months is the longest we've ever been out. We did a couple of those. It's hard, huh? Yeah, man. It's been like for the past year and a half, we haven't taken more than like three, four. Maybe we've taken four weeks off at one point. But since then, it's just been constant, which has been – I mean it's amazing, like she said, but it's disorienting too.

It's so fascinating because you guys are so talented and you know it's i'm i'm getting to watch like this whole uh emergence of you like you know you're going on this tour getting all your shit out on the internet it's growing it's it's it's fascinating to watch it really is it's really cool yeah it's funny how you can see it you can see numbers build. That's the difference between how it used to be. Like when MySpace came out, all of a sudden you had these numbers that you were assigned to things. Right.

Sure, right. And do you guys do it by YouTube? Is it like your YouTube numbers? Is that what it is? Is it iTunes? Facebook and Twitter. Facebook and Twitter. You know, the Angel of Death video, we're kind of waiting for this to hit some sort of swing because it really is such a great video.

But essentially, it is Twitter and Facebook. But, you know, we're trying to make as many videos as we can. You know, my favorite Angel of Death video is still you guys on that roof. That's how I found out about you. This dude on my message board named balls of steel balls of steel where is balls of steel he's out there somewhere he was super psyched when we were talking about him on the podcast he sent me a message um gosh that's but yeah that one when you guys were on the roof that is a fucking i love that one that's my

favorite just i was like this is so. This guy sent me a message. He goes, this is your new favorite band. Wow. Man, what a guy. We're going to find you, Balls of Steel. How Bob Dylan do you look right there, son? The Mets hat? The Mets hat.

You look mad Bob Dylan there, kid. Oh, my God. The Mets hat. Floating on the wind until I find you. Right there, I got hooked. Yep. That's it. I'm done.

Oh, man. I remember that, you know, now that we're buddies, you know, the first time, you know, when we found out that you liked our music, we had this weird day where all of a sudden I was like, I didn't really know how to use Twitter and actually because of of y'all we kind of really hopped on board to you know really work in the the Twitter circuit but all of a sudden our Twitter accounts kind of going crazy and then someone's like Joe Rogan tweeted at you I was like really I was like the guy from X Factor that's awesome and and then then I really did my research, my research,

and I listened to the podcast that you did. And it was so funny because it was like you said the nicest things. And it was so flattering. And you said, you know, listen to this girl's voice. And you're just like talking about these really beautiful things. And then you're like, Joe Rogan Experience, sponsored by the Fleshlight. I was like, I just,

it was amazing. It was so cool because this was our first podcast we've ever done. And since then, we've done a couple more, which has been really cool. But you're our podcast champion.

Yeah, and it's really cool. You did Duncan's as well, too, right? Oh my God, Duncan's amazing. Isn't Duncan the shit? Yeah,

and he's become one of our friends, too, and he's special. He's a great and he's a great guy i love the fuck out of that dude him and brian are feuding though oh no i love the fuck out of the rift uh-oh i love the fuck out of both of them separately i have to right now nobody's taking sides don't get in the middle of them yeah no no no no split of the rift please you're like please you're either like shitty things or you like good things how dare you apparently I like both uh oh

should we have an intervention no it's really minor detail I'm only reminded of it when Joe brings it up I'm sorry I didn't mean to I just had to because we were talking about how awesome Duncan is. I feel like I have to say we can't talk too nice about him because Brian and him are feuding.

Okay. Sort of metaphysical way. They're going to get over it eventually. They're feuding on an astral plane? They're going to do ecstasy together and then they'll be fine. Never. They'll hug it out. That's what you should do.

Do ecstasy and go to church. I'll pass on that. That's a weird sandwich. What did I say? I just hug it out. That's what you should do. Do ecstasy and go to church. Take your pants off. I'll pass on that. That's a weird sandwich. What did I say? I just blacked out. I don't even know what just happened. It's like whipped cream and hot sauce. I don't know if you want to put those together.

That sounds like you could get an infection. Whipped cream and hot sauce? Totally. You would get yeast. Man, you shouldn't put chocolate up there. No, you shouldn't. Is that there. No, you shouldn't. Is that an experience? Just keep it natural.

No, not myself personally, but I have had friends who have done, you know, I think shit gets really messed up from like beauty magazines, like Cosmo. It's like how to please your man, you know, with all this bullshit of like, you know, skirting from what just feels right and, you know, being in a relationship or not. Or just being sexually confident. But people that bust out the food part and then rub it on things. You've got to be careful with that.

I don't know. Oh, like with sex? If I was getting on some dude and he's like, hold on. I'm going to put some whipped cream on your twinkle. Shazam. That sounds really uncomfortable and sticky. Just try it. What the fuck's the problem?

It would just cause problems. Maybe not, though. Maybe it'd be awesome. Why not just give me a massage? Better yet, let's just go to Chick-fil-A and call it a day. Wow. It's either that or the highway. I guess you've made your claim.

No whipped cream. Don't put food on my special place. Thank you. Unless it's Chick-fil-A. No, no, no Chick-fil-A. No food at all. Baked, not fried. That's the abandonment move is go to Chick-fil-A.

Let's forget the whole thing. This is plan B now. Maybe I'm just a traditional girl. I just like to get down the regular way without food. I agree with you. No need to bring in Cherries Mickey Rourke. Do you remember that movie? What was it?

Nine and a half weeks? What was the movie with Mickey Rourke and Kim Bassey? Yeah, nine and a half weeks. Is that what it was? Yep. One of the first movies I ever masturbated to. How gay am I that I know the name of that? Pretty gay.

Pretty gay. Yeah, it was like a real sexual movie, and they did a lot of food stuff. And there was some... When Kim Basinger was hot as fuck. She was so hot back then, it was stupid. And when her and Mickey Rourke, well, he's like kissing her, and he's feeding her grapes and shit. Was this before or after he reconstructed his face?

Way before. Way before. Well, you know what happened with him? He started boxing. That's right. My bad. I stand corrected. Well, no, he did have some face work done.

But I think some of it was a little bit of reconstructive stuff yeah he got he got like he had like real problems apparently i read in some interview with his no he get like neurological tests like the chest on him there's like like you have to stop boxing like you you're having like brain take some yoga yeah so he had to stop but i mean the guy went from yoga crazy went from being a fucking huge movie star to being a boxer. To back to being a movie star again. Was he boxing professionally? Yes. Fighting real guys.

He was boxing. Real people. They didn't set him up with some of the best guys in the world. But they set him up with some good fighters. He fought some boxers. That's another backup if Honey Honey doesn't work out. It's either the brothel in Nevada or boxing. Yeah, people are always like,

you guys fought so hard. Listen, he's a fucking actor. He's a goddamn movie star. He fought real people. There was a real dude who also wanted to box. It's not like he's out there fighting Sugar Ray Leonard

or something, okay? It's like, what a crazy guy Mickey Rourke was. That's a wild ass movie. He's still alive. Did he win any bouts or anything?

Yeah, yeah, he did well. I think he won some. I That's a wild ass move. He's still alive. Did he win any bouts or anything? Yeah. Yeah, he did well. I think he won some. I don't really remember his record. I mean, but I remember watching him box once. It was a real fight. You know, he was really fucking boxing some guy. Went from being a movie star to being a fucking boxer.

He's getting punched in the face and shit. You know, whoa, this is legit. Oh, my God. I mean, again, he wasn't fighting the best guys in the world. He's a big dude, too. He really was fighting, yeah. He must have been like a heavyweight. Yeah, I met him at one of the UFCs.

He's probably a pretty big guy. He looks like he's in really good shape. He got really big for that wrestler movie he did. Remember that movie? What do you guys got in there that you're looking for? Water. Getting crazy? Yeah, hydration.

I'm feeling a little warm. Do you want water? I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm sticking with my eco vessel. What is that? It's, well, to sort of reduce on the plastic pollution thing. But it's got a little filter in it, and I take it on the road with me.

So basically, I could drink river water out of this thing. I know. Wow. I think we're going to go full circle circle and we'll come back to deer skins. I'm down. I want to get my food with a bow and arrow. Do you? I watch those shows. I watch those shows

on the Outdoorsman channel. They shoot pigs with a bow and arrow. Back to Deadwood. Those are our ancestors. Shit went down. That was how everybody had to live just a couple of hundred years ago. There's no other options. This is the way it was.

That's it. Go out and kill animals. Have you ever gone hunting, Joe? No. Fishing? I'm going soon, though. Fisherman? Yes.

Yeah, I used to go fishing a lot. Fishing is like the delicate form of... I'm going hunting for deer. Really? Check this out. This is kind of fucked up. Los Angeles just banned all marijuana dispensaries. Really?

Holy shit. Is that true? They just posted this. How is that? Wait, where are you reading that? It says the Los Angeles City Council has just voted to ban all medical marijuana dispensaries. Council member Paul Cortez was the only person to vote against the ban. Exemptions will allow patients to continue growing marijuana for their own use,

and primary caregivers may continue to distribute the drug. So don't worry about the cancer patients. They'll be fine as soon as physicians find a dealer. So this is just within the city of los angeles i i'm not 100 sure right now but that's kind of kind of fucked that's pretty crazy i wonder if like that like the the the people that's like la speed weed that aren't a dispensary but they can deliver it yeah but it's it's pointless like why why why why is this happening you know it's like give me the logic show me the numbers show me where

somebody's getting hurt why are any resources being spent in this way it's just so silly well i wonder if um you know they want is there much government regulation on the dispensaries because you know as far as like taxation purposes like isn't i mean california's broke yeah so they could certainly use the money perhaps they want to come back with their own spin on things that's i don't think that's what's going on i think uh it's it's one business pushing out another business there's no there's no logical reason for them to be trying to go after these people it doesn't make any sense it's not like you're trying to go after these people. It doesn't make any sense. It's not like you're trying to protect society from marijuana. There's no science or numbers to back that up. It doesn't make any sense.

Especially while you're selling liquor at a liquor store and drugs at the CVS. To say that you're going to spend any resources to stop marijuana at all those is crazy. I don't care if that's been there already. You're showing me something that exists right now in a liquor store that's far more dangerous than some marijuana. And you're saying,

that's okay. Is it really? Damn it. Fuck yeah, it is. More dangerous for your body, more destructive, more dangerous for social behavior, more dangerous for driving,

more dangerous for almost everything. I'm really buzzed right now. Don't ruin this for me right now, Joe. It's great though. I like booze, but it's just, it's nonsense that we would allow them to use any resources to stop pot doesn't make any sense there's no reason why you would go after that when you haven't fixed all the streets you haven't

solved all the murders you haven't you know stopped all the crimes why are you wasting any resources on this silly issue this is dumb we get interests to have money just say honey no goodness what is that what did you probably is that Jack Daniels eat some chips or something Daniels honey I think we have chips here but that'll sound awesome on the microphone great This is how we make friends on the internet. Whoa. Oh, damn. What is that?

I just ate. I didn't touch it. Is it a burrito? No, it's just rice and beans. You golden dog. Do you want to eat that and then sing? Or do you want to sing and then eat that? I should probably sing first. I should probably sing.

Otherwise, I'll be... I was just thinking you'll be spraying all over this motherfucker. What a lady. I'm supposed to have dinner with my parents, actually. My parents are in town. Powerful. They came out to see us for Sheryl Crow, which is really, really cool. Oh, wow. That's awesome.

Yeah, they're fun. So you've been living this crazy little dream life now? Does it feel like it? It's interesting. You know, like, right now I'm really tired. You're really working hard. Like, you're constantly touring, constantly performing. I'm at that point where I'm just like fuck like I just want a little bit of slack something right um and I think we're close you know I think this Kickstarter thing is going

to help us a lot um and Sheryl Crow's been amazing and um actually Ben and I need to finish writing our third record and we're going to actually spend some time in Nashville, which is a very reasonably priced place to live. I've been drinking. A little bit. A little bit. Yeah, a little bit. But it's a nice area. Nashville's beautiful.

It's great. You know what it has? It has all this space. And now I've got Louise, the dog. Ralphie May lives in Nashville. Do you know Ralphie, the comedian? I don't. He's got a house there and a house here, I think.

Oh, cool. We should talk to him. We're doing some shows there and stuff like that. But, you know, everything's been great. At the end of the day, I'll be honest with you, that, you know, because of all these, like, uncomfortable places we're in, because to speak candidly, Ben and I are without places of our own to live.

So we, like, crash with friends. And that gets hard after a while. Cause you just feel like an asshole all the time. But it's so old school rock and roll. Yes and no. But, but you know, I am.

Yes. You need that chapter in the movie. You're right. You're absolutely right. Um, and I do have appreciation for it and I feel really good, you know, even when I'm tired and all that stuff.

But the coolest part is that I feel really good about the tunes or writing and, and just the shows we've been playing because there is this like element of like that's like the place where i am the happiest do you know what i mean like to be right now as far as when you're creative well yeah or when i'm when we're playing you know when we're on the stage because it's like it's this great experience and there's a lot of things happening up there that like make it it's like oh yeah that's why we're sleeping on couches it feels really good you know

your life narrowed down to such a focus you know what I mean right because everything is going into this these like this 45 minutes every day on stage we're out for two months for 45 minutes you know like five times a week so it becomes this like focal point of everything which is like i don't know that's an exciting feeling i

guess oh yeah yeah i share it with stand-up comedy it's a very similar sort of a intense moment that you prepare for all the time yeah you know yeah it's? Yeah, it's a weird thing, performing, you know? I've always tried to describe it like to step outside of civilization and look at what's really going on. What is really going on when you're performing? Well, it's some weird energy exchange. It's like you're giving them

these things that you thought up, this creativity that you've worked on and honed, and you're showing them this, and it's entertaining, and they feel good. They feel good when they listen to your song. They feel good. When you play a great song and you hit a note, literally the person's body feels different. Yeah.

And that's what happens when you do comedy as well. When someone's on stage and they're killing and I'm watching and I'm holding my sides laughing, my body feels different. My body's like tingling with laughter. Like if Joey Diaz, you guys don't even know Joey Diaz. You've got to meet Joey Diaz. I know you guys talk about him. He's the funniest human being I've ever met in my life.

Okay, cool. He'll just break things down for you, cocksucker. He'll just tell you. He's this crazy old Cuban dude. He's the baddest motherfucker ever. But he makes me laugh so hard that my body feels different. You know what I mean?

Oh, that's great. I'm like, ah! Like your body's like tingling with hilarity. You know, that's why we're so addicted to it. We're so addicted to this weird energy exchange.

You know? You know, I really want to talk about this thing that happened for our first Sheryl Crow show, you know, in relation to what you're saying. And like,

um, we played in this theater in Santa Rosa, California, and it, it was sold out. There was like about 1500 people and it was indoors. Um, and a lot of times when you play theaters,

you know, everybody sits for the opening band. So there's, it's, it's kind of an awkward, like you feel like, Oh fuck. Like nobody's getting up when there's like a more sort of upbeat song

and you're just like it's quiet you could hear a pin drop which is good but it's like totally nerve-wracking um but we had this thing this really great show um and at the at the end of the show um you know everybody and this was the second time this has happened and we've been a band for you know a long time and the second time we we felt this way in a theater and it was sort of somebody else's show you know we're the opening band it's not our show they're there to see Sheryl Crow and we're fortunately you know fortunate enough to be there to get some attention and we had this incredible standing ovation and they put the lights on the people and you could see just this all these people. And they were glowing.

And it was like a wave crashing over you. But like a good wave of just people being like, yeah, all right, we like you. We accept you. And it was so intense. My eyes were kind of crying. And I was so embarrassed because I didn't want to look like an idiot. But it was so, like physically my body was like accepting all this warmth from all these strangers and it was it was amazing it was so great yeah it's a trippy feeling it really is a similar thing

happened at Coachella I felt like yeah there was people are so excited to be there at Coachella it's this crazy experience and you're in this place in the middle of the desert and everyone's just so pumped up to see whatever happens. And the first moment in our set where like a big beat dropped, like in the second song which is there was this like eruption

from the crowd and everyone just gave you this huge burst of energy and I felt myself, you know, you have to like start crying. You get goosebumps. It's for real. it's the weirdest thing yeah you know when i was a kid i remember i would listen to like kiss live and when you listen to a live album it was always like a little off they were like a little faster like the song was like a little faster it's like something not always but sometimes and i was like i wonder what that

is why it sounds well it's because they're fucking jazzed up with adrenaline they're probably like I mean what must have been like to be Kiss you know could you imagine just standing on stage being ace freely in 1975 fireworks are going off and your guitars explode the fucking place is going shithouse there's 20,000

people screaming at the top of their lungs faces are painted yeah I mean we should start painting our face. I was a kid during the first big wave of KISS, and I couldn't imagine what it would be like to play music like that in front of that many people. Of course you'd be playing it fast. You know, there was a fanatical following.

The KISS Army. I still have a KISS Army t-shirt. It's a weird thing playing for a large volume of people. What's the most you guys have played for 10 000 people it was we were we were in chicago um this is a duo too as a duo is it just the two of us and actually at one point within our set the power went out in the middle of a song and it's like that would be like oh god i just peed myself on stage and everyone can see it well then you just

gotta accept that no it's way better to do that than to pee yourself on stage you're right you're absolutely right you're totally right to pee yourself on stage

it's like dude you're fucking you're on your own now nobody wants to hear anything you have to say now no one's gonna take anything you say seriously you should just leave

you just pissed your pants dude and it's so rude really because we've all pissed our pants it definitely knocks the wind out of you you know to be in front of all those people. But anyway, not to get off of the stage pants peeing thing, because that's fun. But yeah, that was the most we'd ever played for. 10,000 people.

Holy shit, that's a lot of people. And that was for Cheryl, opening for Cheryl Crow. This was at this thing called the Chicago Folk Roots Festival. This was this festival we played a couple summers ago and there's just this huge field and we get up there just the two of us kind of that's beautiful man yeah how cool is that that must be such a trip what does that feel like well when you get the energy back when there's this surge of energy i'm telling you it's just like I felt it all through my body, and I had to slow down literally within the song from just like...

You know what, though? With that energy, it's like you have this incredible experience when you're in point A and the audience is in point B, and then you kind of have to leave it there once you leave the stage. Cause if you take all that energy with you, like that's how you want to go like stick a needle in your arm sometimes or like do something crazy. Like I feel like,

I feel like that energy is, is not mine. You know what I mean? Like I have to leave it on the stage. I really appreciate it when I'm there, but, but I had this, I had a real

moment of of revelation um from one of our first or second tours i i'm getting a little crazy but i i met like i had like my my palm read and this this like this woman told me that she's like you you need to you need to protect yourself and when you leave the stage you need to leave the stage and then have yourself as a separate entity because otherwise it'll like swallow you up. And I believe that to be true. I think that if I were to take all the attention that I got on the stage as a personal definition, I think that's, that's a, that's troublesome for my person because I, you know, I'm there. troublesome for my person because I you know I'm there if I if I just live my life like I do my job and I have you know my musical abilities and gifts and that's that's one thing and then that's my job and then my passion and then then these other parts of myself like my family my friends and my dog my new dog I see I know what you're saying like look it's very compartmentalized it's very wise to try to separate yourself and hence your ego.

Yeah, because it's dangerous. It's very dangerous. You can become self-indulgent. And that's what everyone's terrified of. Everyone's terrified of becoming that really ridiculous, like, overbearing star singer person. You know what I mean? Like, someone who's just completely out of control. A diva.

Someone screaming and yelling at people. Someone who's nuts. Doesn't appreciate, like, every minute of the ride. They realize how fortunate they are. I mean, that's what some... Any artist is terrified of becoming that person. A disillusioned, disconnected person. That's the worst thing you can be because you cannot be creative.

I think people in that position have... It's not out of maliciousness. It's out of lack of awareness. You just lose in touch. It's been really great to see Sheryl Crow because she is truly an amazing woman and is humbled and so successful yet so grounded. And she's got her kids with her on the road and this incredible crew around her of people that they've been helping us,

which is, you know, sometimes it's the opening band. You're not, you're the freshmen. So no one's going to like help the freshmen. Cheryl Crow is a badass bitch. But that's a great example. You know what I mean? It's like. And I say bitch with all due respect.

Yeah. It's totally respectful. But it is, it is, as you said, you know, your ego can, could just be like this atom bomb within such a great thing and you don't want that. But the people who are creative, that's how they avoid that. I really firmly believe that when you get really crazy like that it hinders your creativity.

It's like you're not going to have anything else to say. You're not going to have any other places to go to because you're in some weird sort of a psychic prison. You've trapped yourself in this weird world of not looking at things realistically or idealistically. You've trapped yourself in this weird world of not looking at things realistically or idealistically. You've trapped yourself in this world of negative. And you're cunty.

And the universe doesn't like cunts. You love that word. It's a beautiful word. Man, I'm so glad we didn't make a drinking game out of it because I'd be even more drunk than I already am. Are you thinking about it? I'm pretty hamstered right now. It's a beautiful word. Hamstered.

You know, I got this writing program that I use on my computer and it won't learn cunt you can make up a word you could it'll learn everything else it'll learn you have to auto correct everything learn fuck and it gets to cunt and you go for the right click and it's like nope it really won't even let you it won't even let you fucking i'm like you little bitch but it'll let you add cunty. Jesus, this pot thing is freaking me out. 764 tax revenue streams are just being cut.

Here's the news if you want to look at what happens. I'm going to pee after you. That sounded gross. Look at this stuff. Sounds like some dog shit going on there. Welcome back. Well, medical marijuana is legal in California, but some say the dispensaries bring crime and a nuisance to their neighborhoods.

Let's go live to Doug Kolk in downtown L.A. where boisterous opponents and supporters of the band gather at City Hall. Robot ladies go to the robot guy. Well, Lula and Jessica, as you know, it's a very heated topic, and it doesn't look like a decision may come down anytime soon. City Council right now behind closed doors in a closed session discussing the legalities surrounding the possibility of closing hundreds of medical marijuana facilities around Los Angeles. We are out of control with it at this point.

We need to come up with something that's going to work, something the police department can live with, the community can live with, because we get continuing complaints. If only it were that easy. City Council set to vote Tuesday on whether to make L.A. pot dispensaries illegal. Before members make that decision, they hear public comment from both sides. Those who depend on medicinal marijuana for health reasons and those who feel pot dispensaries are getting out of control. It's even LAPD's stance. Pot clinics attract crime. Council trying to find a solution for both sides.

The crime is pot. Whether that means tighter enforcement, limiting the number of dispensaries, or allowing a certain amount of caregivers to grow marijuana under their own conditions. Whatever decision is made today, it won't be made without heavy debate. I believe in the medicinal value of marijuana. made without heavy debate. I believe in the medicinal value of marijuana. What we want to do is ban dispensaries that are not allowed under state law. I have friends that are still alive today because of medical marijuana, and that's why

this is so important to me. Okay, let's keep it down. Keep your it down. Keep your applause down. Now, before they went into that closed session, I had the chance to speak with District 5 member Paul Koretz, and he tells me he has no clue when a decision will come down today, if, in fact, a decision does come down today.

He also tells me he has no clue which way it's going to go. As a matter of fact, he's been telling me it could end in a 7-7 vote, in which then they'll have to figure out what's going to happen. Reporting live from City Hall, Doug Kolk, KTLA 5 News. Well, unfortunately, it did happen. 14-0 ban. Wow. So, it really sucks because I don't know if, I wonder if you'll be able to still deliver it. Because if you can get it delivered, that would be different.

If they just want to close it down to have stores because of neighborhoods and crime, that's one thing. But if you could have it delivered like pizza, because that's still, I believe, legal. So it would just ban a storefront? Yeah, the storefront. So I believe we're friends with this company called LA Speedweed, which is a delivery service. It's, I think, LA's largest one. And I wonder if now that's the next thing. You're going to see these pizza delivery trucks going down the street everywhere,

making more traffic, stoner traffic. It's kind of like what New York is like, isn't it? Yeah. New York seems much more delivery-based. Yeah, delivery-based. Because they don't have the dispensaries there. Yeah. I don't think.

Do they? They don't. They don't. They don't. I wonder if it's just L.A. County. I wonder if that means the valley. These. County. I wonder if that means if the Valley. These people aren't even potheads, Brian. They don't care.

Look at the both of them. They don't care. No, I'm thinking about it. You wouldn't even panic. No way. If someone said no more whiskey for you, I'd be like all over my dead body. But that's not what they're saying. They're saying no more pot.

You're like, I'm cool with that. No way. You're like, I'm cool with that. No way. You're like, I already went down a dark road once accidentally. I'd haul ass down to Jack Daniel's Distillery and stock up for the rest of eternity. I don't know what I'd do without pot, especially for writing. I really don't know what I'd do. You'd be real productive? My favorite shit.

Smoking weed? Yeah, I'm super productive. See, it's funny. Everything affects everybody differently. I become a robot when I'm high. I bet you're getting the wrong shit. You know, I don't know. I've tried all the different things.

The best, I think, you know, vessel has been a spliff for me because it's just a little bit. And I like tobacco. I like cigarettes. So, you know. You can smoke a cigarette if you want one. I'm good. Actually, I haven't smoked in a couple weeks because when I'm touring i try to fucking keep you worry about that with your voice though yeah yeah absolutely so i i don't smoke like i used to but i when i do like i really fucking

enjoy a cigarette but i don't smoke all the time that's an internet meme what right there what you just just said is going to be an internet meme it's gonna going to be a photo of you saying, I don't smoke, but if I do, it's going to be a cigarette. No, no, no. Is that what I said? That's what you just said. Oh, what a wiener. Oh, great.

No, it's hilarious. Don't encourage people. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. You rarely smoke a cigarette. No, but I'll really enjoy it when I do. And it's like,

because I'm a singer. That's stupid. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, you have a crazy gift. Well, thank you. There really is a gift. But I used to smoke a lot, and then I became aware of how much of a hazard that was to my career. It's amazing how much pleasure you can produce by making noise with your mouth.

Think about that. That's really incredible. That's what your career is. Not really, man. My noise with my mouth is just to get the thoughts out. But your voice is very important. Yeah, but that's just to get the thoughts out. Have you ever taken speech therapy? No, no, no.

But when you do it, it's totally different. Because when you're singing, it's a completely different experience. The actual harmony of the words, of the sound you're making with your mouth. Well, I don't harmonize with myself. Whatever the fuck it is. The harmony of it. Am I saying the right thing? No, of the sound you're making with your mouth. Well, I don't harmonize with myself. Whatever the fuck it is. The harmony of it. Am I saying the right thing? No, maybe the tone.

Whatever it is, the whole awesomeness of it. Thank you. You're creating with your mouth. You're creating with your mouth. That's amazing. You know, like the part of that video that I loved when you guys were on the roof, it was like just the first verse, like the first few words out of your mouth, you're like, you go, whoa,

that's a crazy noise she can make with her mouth. It sounds badass. You know, because it's like. I have a weird laugh. But it's whatever it is. It's the sound of it. And then it's more than that. It's the idea expressed in the words.

And then even crazier, your energy and interpretation. It could be whatever fucking pent up shit you have. It doesn't even have to have anything to do with the lyrics. But it goes through those lyrics and comes out in the song. And when someone sings with like real emotion and real passion, it's like a creepy feeling. It's like you almost feel like you shouldn't be allowed to be watching this. It's like they really, you really, like, especially you two guys on that rooftop because,

or wherever the fuck you were, because there was a rooftop. It was a rooftop. Oh, yeah. But because there was no one else. It wasn't, it wasn't like it was a crowd. It wasn't like there was, you know, synthesizers or anything. You know what I'm saying? It's just you guys on the rooftop. You're so goddamn sweet, Joe. I'm not, I'm just being honest. I know, but it's really nice and we appreciate it. Well, listen, you guys are the shit. Play some music. Do you want to hear some? I was going to say, do you want to hear some new tunes?

Can I request something? Oh, shit. I hope so. Can I request LA River? Oh, fuck. You can't do it? Give us a sec. Yeah.

Okay. You're going to have to pay your researchers. Can we start off with something else to warm up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure, sure, sure. I just love that song. Oh, that's so funny. Man, I wish you would have told us that.

Oh, I'm sorry. I should have. How rude. We can do it. We can do it. I forget. I'm an idiot. Like I told you, I don't know anything about music.

You would have to actually have the right stuff. I'm like, make the noise that makes that song sound so good. You're making me happy. Come on. Make that noise with your mouth. Do we need to tune anything? Like with mechanical devices? How do you know when you're on when you're tuning it?

You just know by your hearing it? We use machines. You use machines to tune things? Was it old school? Is it this guy? In the old school way, was it I think they started using electronic tuners in maybe the 80s

oh really yeah and it and it changed things a lot man because all of a sudden you have this precision that you didn't have before

which is good and also I mean it's like kind of analog to digital who's your favorite guitarist ever this guy named Django Reinhardt

oh you're one of those obscure indie dudes I see what you're doing there he's the shit you gotta check him out also Jimi Hendrix awesome yeah I love Jimi that's why I named. You've got to check him out. Also, Jimi Hendrix. Awesome.

Yeah, I love Jimi. That's why I named this the Jorogan Experience. I totally jacked Jimi Hendrix. That's awesome. I have no less than 15 Jimi Hendrix t-shirts. Whoa, that's fucking random. Yeah, absolutely. Brian bombed me one.

Do you know a guy named Gary Clark Jr.? Gary Clark Jr. Yeah, why do I know that name? Yeah, he's a musician out of New York. Austin. Austin. You've got to check him out. Oh, dude. Yeah, he's a musician out of New York? Austin. Austin. You've got to check him out. Oh, dude.

Yeah, is he a black gentleman? He is. Yes, and he says like this bluesy rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, somebody recommended him, ironically enough. I don't think it's ironically, but he recommended. Sorry. Sorry, please.

Recommended him on a thread about you guys, which is even more fascinating. In my message board, somebody recommended him. I think they brought it up last time there on the party. I was Did you really so it was a huge boner for Gary? Sure when I Brian's that's why Brian's here god damn it. He's on point motherfucker So he's um What is his out? What is it is um his CD or his record or release or whatever you would call it now? There's digital release his CD or his record or release or whatever you would call it nowadays? I don't even know. Digital release. He just had an EP

as far as I know. Is that what you call them? What do you call them? Like when you guys put, do you say, hey, we put out a new EP? Well, that was like a five song. What do you say?

It was a five song record. Right, record. Record. You still say record, right? Yeah, but you have to say it with a British accent. No fucking excuses. Because I can hit record.

I can hit record. Hello, honey, honey, and I'm from Cleveland. Because I can hit record. Hello, we're Honey Honey and I'm from Cleveland. I hope they can keep that whole English accent thing going. I hope the world in this age of information

and distribution of information doesn't homogenize. I hope they don't become Americanized. We might send them too many movies and break their will. We're all going to have

English accents. They're just going to realize but it's a better way to talk. The Americans have a better way to talk let's be honest fuck it mate, just join them we'll just lead with the ego lead with the ego

we're America and we're not cunts that's my new logo for when I run in 2016 it's we're America and we're not cunts that's our philosophy so anything that we do as Americans that would make us look like cunts, we automatically can't do because we've said we're not cunts. Because we won't be.

So no, you can't be starting any wars if you're not a cunt. Okay. You know? You can't be robbing anybody of their resources. Can't be spying on your citizens unless you're a cunt. So, you know, that's what it should be. We're America and we're not cunts. I like that.

2016. That's going to make it work. Brian's my vice president. Assassination proof. That's right. Nobody wants to kill me. Let Brian be president. Oh, dear.

Get your helmets on. Yeah. Brian would turn the White House into a motherfucking strip club. Imagine if you could make Molly legal. If you became the vice president. We can't even make weed legal. I'm really bummed out.

In Los Angeles too. I can't believe that happened. So is this a happy song? You should be bummed out. Not really. You know, Brian, you're right. You should be bummed out. It's really disgusting. really. You know, Brian, you're right. You should be bummed out. It's really disgusting.

It's disgusting. I mean, it's just... It's nonsense. It's a new one. What are we going to hear? It's not... It sort of has been recorded, but this is called Numb It.

Numb It. Numb It. Okay. Yeah. Yeah? You want to... One, two, three, four. I don't want it, I'm gonna numb it

I'm gonna push myself away from it. I can't take it, I'll never make it, I'd rather break it than watch it fade away. You got the guts to make me change my mind Then you gotta show me a good side Cause I don't wanna waste it, fake it or pass it by Ooh, you gotta let me get mine I don't want it, I'm gonna numb it I'm gonna push myself away from it I can't take it I'll never make it

I'd rather break it Watch it fade away Oh I've seen that door shut deep in your eyes It's when you always cut me down to size I've seen you pass out on the kitchen floor Ooh, is that how you get yours? Don't want it, I'm gonna numb it I'm gonna push myself away from it

I can't take it, I'll never know what's best Ooh, I don't know what's best If you walk away, I won't love you less Oh, oh, oh I don't want it I'm gonna numb it I'm gonna push myself away from it I can't take it I'll never make it

I'll break it Watch it fade away Holy shit, you guys are awesome. I'm just tweeting this right now. Thanks, man. I just broke a string. I might be the only one we could play. No, no, I got some more. Oh, Daddy's got some more strings.

Oh, my God. I got to tweet this this that was amazing that was incredible you guys like it yeah that's fun all right thanks that's one of the new ones so you gotta test the water oh that's really great you guys are so fucking talented it's stupid oh you stop that you guys are really fucking good it's kind of creepy it's kind of creeping me out man i'm not sure i like it is that how how did that song come about song that you guys have that sucks what's the name of that song again it's called numb it numb it and how did that come about um it came about from um let's see um probably something to do about dick.

Yeah, or just, you know, being in a tough place and you just don't want to fucking look the other way. You like that whiskey, young lady, don't you? I do. How dare you? Come on, what's wrong with that? Nothing, nothing at all. It's a gift to the universe, just like your beloved devil's lettuce also knows marijuana. Oh, I like the whiskey, too. I think I'm going to become an alcoholic now that I can't go to the store.

We should all just start drinking more. Yeah, well, that's what they want. Just make sure you take your spaceships home. Yeah, the whole thing is just so fucking stupid that they're trying to suppress it in any way, shape, or form. That's not to serve or protect. Cut the shit. Stupid. It's dumb. You're making. Stupid. It's dumb.

You're making no sense. Leave us alone. So is that official? I was paying attention. There's too many cunty laws. There's too many laws. You don't need to have that many. 700 plus dispensaries all ordered to shut down immediately.

So fucking stupid. And some of these places, these are like mom and pop places. I know there's one place and it's just like... That's how they make their living. Like how the hell? They should be breaking the law.

We're getting suppressed, ladies and gentlemen. The streets are going to be on fire. We're getting suppressed. People are going to, you know what? I don't want to say it. The streets will be filled with smoke maybe. I can sack some beanbags, bro. Boo.

I don't know what I meant. I don't even know what I was saying. How often do you guys, I wanted to ask you earlier, how often do you guys sit down together and try to write? Like, it seems like you're so hectic. You're constantly going from town to town.

You know, lately it's been, we probably have written once in the past week, but, you know, after the Sheryl Crow dates, we're going to be on a schedule. We're writing every day just to get the next record out. Yeah, it's super hard for me if I'm on the road just for like a weekend. I couldn't imagine doing it for like five and six nights,

constantly going from town to town, and then trying to squeeze in some writing. It's got to be really hard to put yourself in a place. I mean, I don't know how you guys write. Do you have like an idea first, or do you jam? How do you guys write? Everything. We don't really have like a... Sorry, I'm chewing on ice cubes.

Oh, it's very cold. Part of an idea. Someone comes in with part of a song, and then if that part is good enough for the other person to be excited, then we just try to finish it. So you'll be driving in your car or something, and you'll just have an idea,

and you write it down, put it in your iPhone or something, and you'll just have an idea, and you write it down, put it in your iPhone or something, and then you guys get together. Every once in a while, you'll get this, like, lightning of a – you'll write a whole song in a day, and it'll be like this, you know, waterfall of words, and you're like, fuck, yeah. And then sometimes you really got to chip away at songs, and some of our better songs I feel like we've really been – we've chipped away at, and some of our better songs i feel like we've really been we've chipped

away at and they've started as one thing and then it's been this completely different you know product by the end right you know that like the best part i mean not the best part but i just i guess you just have to like let it be what it is and we try to be diligent about it to write consistently like even if it sucks it's like let, let's just do it. You know, you have to exercise this muscle. But, you know, the more you do that, the more you kind of get to that place

you want to be at. And writing with Ben, we've been writing partners for years now. Do you ever have any other writers? We have. We have,

but it's so different. It's like he and I have this shorthand. Is most of your stuff written by you two? Yes. It's a very interesting collaborative process

because, you know, you're both very unique, and yet you're both very good, and you've got to figure out how to do it together in this weird sort of a spiral that works, your ideas and his ideas. That's fascinating to me because a lot of people, they don't do it that way, right? One guy will be the one who writes it, or the girl will write it, and the guy will make the music or something. You guys do it all together. That's badass.'s a cool relationship you guys are like like almost like brothers and sisters like tied together for life you know brothers and sisters on earth

something crazy says john fascinating so it's a fascinating relationship you know that you and it works so well your music is such it's got you know all the songs are different, you know, and it works so well. Your music is such a, it's got, you know, all the songs are different, but you know when a song's coming from someone, you know? Like there's certain bands you just knew when you heard like a specific. You okay, Brian? Yeah. What was that? My phone.

It's amazing what a beating an iPhone can take, isn't it? It's amazing. My iPhone. They're like tankers. Yeah, my iPhone's like Tank Abbott in the early days. My iPhone can take a Isn't it? It's amazing. They're like tankers. Yeah, my iPhone's like Tank Abbott in the early days. My iPhone can take a fucking beating, man.

You guys want to play something else? Sure. Can you play L.A. River? Yes. Yay. Okay, wait. God, it's been so long.

If I mess it up, don't get mad at me, please. How dare you? You're not going to mess this up. I've had probably half a bottle of Jameson's. How dare you? There we go.

That's great. Lead with a handicap. Are you guys too drunk for the internet? Is there such a thing? Nobody's watching, right? No, only a couple people. Just a couple people. Don't worry about it.

Listen, I love you so much. Man. You're like a sister to me, man. Thank you. Went down to the banks of the L.A. River Had to hop a chain link fence Concrete walls on the L.A. river Water lapping up on the cement Oh, but I love my new home Listen to the big city sound Watchin' that LA river roll down By the train's path, Chinatown Dipped my fingers in the warm black water

Raw red skin on my knees Sailed my boat down the L.A. river Thought I saw a body in the weeds Oh, but I love my new home Listen to the big city sound Watching that L.A. river roll down By the trains past Chinatown guitar solo Oh, but I love my new home Listen to the big city sound

Watching that L.A. river roll down By the trains past Chinatown Oh, man. I think we lost some tuning there. Was it me? Probably. That was awesome. That was a beautiful song. That was a beautiful song.

I love that song. It's so creepy, too. You know, you got skinned knees. You're looking for bodies. The water's black you know it's a lot of creepy shit jumping fences

it's kind of creepy so is Los Angeles fuck yeah it is but it's cool you know I love the I love my new home part it was on this TV show

really yeah it's called Brothers and Sisters it was on this second there's like this wedding scene it was a wedding scene and then this beautiful romance

these people holding hands and then it goes like oh wow I thought I saw a wedding scene! And then this beautiful romance, these people holding hands, and then it goes like, I thought I saw a body in the weeds coming up. They weren't listening to it. They weren't listening at all. Maybe they were trying to be ironic. It's amazing. Maybe they were like fake hipsters that didn't really understand it. They were trying to use your music in a fucking nefarious way.

I fucking love that word, nefarious. It's almost as good as a foot. A foot? Especially if you can use it in there. It's almost as good as a foot. A foot? Especially if you can use it in there. There may be some fuckery afoot. Fuckery, also a good word. Fuckery is as good as it gets. I stopped using that one,

and it was restarted by my friend Steve Maxwell. He was talking about fake martial arts guys. He was like, there's a lot of fuckery involved. I was like, oh, I love this guy. That's it, the word. I fucking lostery involved. Oh, I love this guy. That's it. The word,

I fucking lost it for a long time and now it's back. And you combine it with a foot, you know, it's something you could bring up almost every day

if something's wrong. I believe there's some fuckery afoot. Right? I like that. I like that a lot. The whole thing better. How do we,

how do we move you guys to the next level of show business, stardom, whatever it is to get your shit out there so you don't have all these financial issues

because this shit is annoying me. It's annoying me that you guys can be this good and have any money problems. If we reach our Kickstarter goal,

that'll help a lot because it'll get us through this next tour. We're going out in October. Right. Let's be totally clear. We're not just asking for money to like sit here and play songs. We're going out in October. So let's be totally clear. We're not just asking for money to sit here and play songs. We have a tour in October with a band called Trampled by Turtles.

And they're incredible. They're this... It's funny. They're a bluegrass band from Duluth, Minnesota. And in order for us to go out with them, we need help. We need financial assistance because we're at zero. Right, and it doesn't pay enough to even pay for your expenses. No, and to get the merchandise and all that stuff

and to pay for a tour manager and a van and gas alone, it's really fucking hard. Yeah, you're in a weird situation. It's like you guys are like superstar artists. You're like super talented. Your music is amazing. But I'm like, how the fuck are you bitches broke? That doesn't make any sense. We're really super talented. Like your music is amazing. But I'm like, how the fuck are you bitches broke?

That doesn't make any sense. Really irresponsible. It's hilarious. Yeah. A lot of drug issues. Ben spends a lot of money on beauty products. Fuck, fuck.

I love a nice pair of chinos opening a sports page. Fuck, fuck. He goes into J.Crew and he spends thousands of dollars. Dude goes off on that. Like a cannon. You know those smelly bath places at the mall?

Bath and body works. Do I? Yeah, you know those places. Do I? Some people just buy a bunch of shit they'll never use. That's the worst. You know what's funny? I'm going to take a bath, man.

I'll be honest with you. When I was younger and I had a steady job, actually when I worked at Baby Blues selling barbecue, I made more money selling barbecue than I did with a record deal. And, when I worked at Baby Blues selling barbecue, I made more money selling barbecue than I did with a record deal. And I had sweet cash all the time and I would just buy

whatever I wanted. I'd go to nice restaurants all the time with my friends and I'd buy myself whatever clothing I wanted. And it's funny, this point in my life,

shit's pretty tight so you gotta really, unless I need it. You need a sugar daddy. No, I'm not that kind of girl. Not that kind of girl, Joe. I know you're not, but let's pretend you were. Don't you pressure me. Let's come up with a fake sugar daddy.

Some perfect scenario type. Like a podcast empire guy. No. Do you like guys with werewolf facial hair? Yeah. Very hairy guys. You know, you need to be able to physically pick me up.

Physically? That's true. That should be a must. Change a tire, throw a football. Yeah, in case you have a hurt ankle and you're in the desert. With a hurt ankle in the desert, the man's got to be able to carry you or you're dead. Yeah. Because otherwise you're just going to lay there and die.

And I hurt my ankle all the time, so I can't carry you. Yeah, what the fuck? You know, a man should be able to carry his woman. Should be able to carry her through the desert. At least over the shoulders. Actually, I really have no idea what I want, and we'll find out as time goes on. Oh, are we talking for real?

I thought we were just joking around. Oh, Red Band wants to hear Ohio. That's my favorite. That's a great song, too. I messed up the lyrics the other night. Oh, no. I felt just a wiener. I messed up the lyrics the other night. Oh, no. I felt just a weenie. Did you freestyle?

I did. I fucking freestyled. When you saw, what's her name? Fuck Up the National Anthem. What's her name? Christina Aguilera. Christina Aguilera. When you saw that, did you wince?

Like, if I see a comedian bomb, I can't even watch. You know what? No, it happens. It's like, well, that's, no disrespect. I don't want to fucking dog on anybody. But what? Here's the thing. We hadn't want to fucking dog on anybody. But what? Here's the thing. Again, we hadn't slept for a couple days, been exhausted.

And sometimes you get comfortable and then you zone out. And then you're like, fuck, fuck, fuck. And I did. I freestyled and it made sense. And I was like, maybe those lyrics would have been better than the original ones we'd written. It could be any number of things, though. Because it was like, I'm going to get you, sucker. Mama said knock you out, Ohio. Today was a good is that what you did no what did you do i was like how'd you make up for it um i i literally just started saying words that

right no you didn't oh no that's hilarious what were you thinking enough i was just like oh god oh god i was like rough rough stuff stuff Stuff, enough. I was just like, oh, God. Oh, God. I was like, rough, rough, rough, stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff, tough, enough, enough, enough. It's like, thank God I can screw up on the guitar now. I'm not going to trouble. You're such an asshole. Come on. It's a terrible feeling to forget what you're talking about in front of a million people. But they don't know.

They don't even know who we are. They're like, there's a girl with hair on her head, and she's got a banjo. That's all they saw? Yeah. Okay. I need to slow down. I need to slow down. That's the crazy thing about Cheryl Krolo, too, is that she goes up there, and she has this brain tumor.

She has a brain tumor right now. Is it able to be operated on? It's benign,'s she forgets stuff so she has um what it's true she owns up to it that's the thing she goes up there and she's like if she forgets a word she says i got a brain tumor but the fact that she goes up on stage um with the knowledge that she could forget the lyrics or not know i think that takes a huge amount of lady balls. Lady balls. Lady balls.

Yeah. Lady balls. Yes, it definitely does. Yeah, it's just an amazing thing. Lady balls. Does that turn you on, Brian? Yes. Let's talk about that.

Rare human being. What else are you feeling? Ladies triangles. Next. Next. Cut off. I started drinking also you did good for you did you have some of the honey jd no i had uh fake captain morgan's oh that's the stuff is that the stuff that you said you're gonna drink we did oh that's what we tweeted at you and you were like i don't know what that means i didn't know what that means that's good i. I didn't know sailor's type of must.

It's better this way. It's a type of ooze. It's better this way. I've never heard of it. It's delicious. We got hammered the last time we were on your show. Yeah. It was a great time.

We had a great time too. Oh. Okay, good. Our manager just emailed us. I thought he was going to be like, stop acting like idiots. Why would you ever listen to anybody? Don't ever listen to anybody that tells you how to act, ever. Because they definitely can't get it right.

Sometimes they're right. No, no, no. You know what you're doing. Just trust your instincts. Okay. Go with the flow and use the force, Luke. My instinct is to finish this bottle of booze and go streaking down Pasadena. Do it.

Yes. If that's what you really want to do. I'm kidding. But if you do it, it means that you really wanted to do it. And then you should just fucking do it. I don't think I've ever gone streaking. Yes. If that's what you really want to do. I'm kidding. But if you do it, it means that you really wanted to do it. And then you should just fucking do it. I don't think I've ever gone streaking. Good. Then don't do it.

If it doesn't feel like that's what you should be doing. Come on, Joe. Stop. But you know what? There's some crazy bitch that wants to take off her clothes and run down the street. What's wrong with that? I say nothing. Keep my boots on.

You know? As long as you're not hurting anybody. Sorry, I don't hurt my feet. That's a good move. Makes perfect sense. That's a good move. And you should probably sunscreen. Why would you want to run naked with bare feet?

That sounds so dangerous. Hey, Joe, can I hit that joint? I don't know where it is, son. Oh, party foul. Seems like we should be higher for listening to his songs. I want to talk about the crazy dude. The boot man. A crazy dude?

What? Well, you're talking about, I really, can I read an email? Yes, please. I'm doing this. Wait a minute, are you sure you want to do this? Yes.

If it's a real stalker? Yes, I am, no. Okay, so you were talking about crazy encounters with people. Right. This is fun to me. This is really fun.

This is fun. So the other day when we had our epic show I was telling you about in Santa Rosa, California. Right. There was a gentleman that was front and

center and he was really enthusiastic to say the least, and was so very complimentary and genuine at the end of the show and had said, hey, I would love it if you guys came and played a show at my house one day. And originally we were like, it's kind of weird. You know, people say that. You're like, you know, okay, well, that's a nice sentiment.

But, you know, you want to be careful with situations like that. And then the guy's like, I can, you know, you'd be playing after Steve Miller. Steve Miller band. And he's like, you know, I can afford to, like, pay you. And basically saying that he's got, you know, some moolah and he can pay us. Right. So then he gets a little weird. Oh, shit.

And, oh, God, where is it? Are you going to blow up this guy's spot? No, no, I'm not naming any names. But it got really, Ben, do you have it? There it is. Oh, no, did he respond? Okay, so he was a little kooky. He was dancing around the front of the stage. Then he talked to our management and our manager was like, this could be really great for you guys. about Honey Honey and the lead singer. She really needs some help with attire, starting with her boots. She can be one really knocked out gal

if she dressed right. As she might have noticed, I am covered with women, so that is not my interest. Her talent is. About the lead guitarist, that would be Ben, his humility on stage is a great plus.

Thank you. About the drummer, he should be shown new licks from some of the greats as he has the potential to be one himself. About 8-4, the date that he wanted us to play. Anyway. My birthday. So he had this big fucking spiel about my boots being a problem.

And I think my boots are fine. You really are addressing this? I mean they smell a little. You guys need more problems in your life. No. You need more problems in your life no you need more problems in your life you're right

you're right thank you for calling us out one dummy talking about your shoes who cares what that guy thinks well we let him you know what we let him in

it's our fault we let him in we were hopeful I was literally planning on playing a show by myself because Ben couldn't make it and then he told me

that I wasn't cool because of my boots you gotta develop better crazy people antenna and I said you're not cool because of your face. It was pretty obvious with this dude. This guy was going nuts in the front row. I feel totally hoed, though.

He hoed us. He hoed you? Well, it sounds like he's a rich douchebag. There's a lot of those out there. You're right. It's normal. I appreciate you calling us out because you're right. We should move on from that.

It's no big deal. Anyone that hates on boots, you don't even want to know. But it's just so silly. Why does he give a fuck what you're dressed like? That's what you like to dress like. I think that's what pisses me off. It's no big deal. Anyone that hates on boots, you don't even want to know. But it's just so silly. Why does he give a fuck what you're dressed like? That's what you like to dress like. I think that's what pisses me off. It's like, you're an idiot. You can't influence.

You can't say, oh, you should be in stilettos and with your fucking toes with sparkles on You know what? Our next show, I'm going to fucking wear a lizard costume just to prove a point. Wear only boots. We should wear what you want to wear. I said lizard suit costume. Non-creative people always feel like they can fix things. Wear what you want to wear. I said lizard suit, costume, not boots. Non-creative people always feel like they can fix things.

Like they can step in and fix your little, oh, he needs a fucking haircut, this guy. This is what your problem is. The problem isn't the distribution of music. This young man with his crazy hair, it's all over the place. That's interesting. People get wacky. The girl needs to lose weight.

No, no, no, no No no no No one needs anything Look at that Adele chick You know I mean it's just All you need is a sound You need the amazing sound From your voice People fucking love you

Look at Amy Winehouse Cracked out To the end All fucked up Missing teeth Amazing voice Everybody loved her Loved her

Loved her She didn't look good She looked crazy She looks a lot better now Shut up Okay Red Band You need a time out You're fucking cut off Shut up Brian Loved her. Loved her. She didn't look good. She looked crazy. She looks a lot better now. Shut up, Brian. Okay, Red Band, you need a timeout. You're fucking cut off for at least 15 minutes, you asshole.

How dare you, you son of a bitch. That's going to take at least three to four years off your life from karma. I know. Seriously. She was so interesting because it was retro but not. That rehab song what a beautiful song man she had an incredible voice but that's

sorry baby I was just gonna say I was watching her live last night and was just thinking about how you know you see a lot of groups that are successful

kind of redoing an old sound and even if they do it great it's you know it can be great but she kind of contemporized yeah

she did something completely different. Yeah. And that's amazing. She had so much, like, we were talking about earlier about, like, emotions, like, traveling through the lyrics. And it doesn't even matter what you're singing about. If, like, the emotion in your mind, you know, comes through the words, there's, like, this weird effect that a song has. weird effect that a song has.

And with her, like she totally nailed that, man. That remember seeing that rehab video where she's sort of swaying on that microphone while she's saying it. You're like, God damn, that bitch has got some talent. You know,

she just had this weird new thing. Like, look at this new thing. Yeah. Look at this new thing. Crazy voice talking about, she's not going to go to rehab. She's thinking about not going to rehab.

Yeah. But I mean, that was truthful, you know it was true that's what's kind of sort of like heartbreaking and beautiful about it at the same time is that that was like that wasn't somebody being like hey let me write a pop song that everybody's gonna want to buy and listen to and sounds really trendy right now that wasn't some sort of generic kind of um regurgitation of what's already been done. That was somebody being honest. And, you know, it's very interesting and powerful because that woman, I think if you were to look really closely, didn't really care too much about the other side of, like, the attention.

I think she just really wanted to be loved. And she was an artist you know and because you know she talks a lot about heartbreak or talked and um there there's a really interesting thing that um I think about a lot I saw this really sad YouTube video of um when she kind of got carried off stage, she was playing in Serbia. And this was about a week before she died. She had started a tour. And she came out and was like, hello, Athens.

And she was in Serbia. And is like clearly just inebriated on, you know, beyond belief and interesting thing to think about the fact that no one put her into some sort of facility immediately upon that circumstance alone. But, you know, when you think about all of her art, it was like people were like, yeah, I love this song. It was a club hit. It was a radio hit. Single, number one, billboard, everything. And then if you really look closely, it's like that was, the show oh shit i don't know um it's like that was real um and you know not to bring it down low yeah i think that's a show um yeah she starts taking her shoes off and shit oh yeah i i

saw this um and you know it's's just like somebody just take her home. She's got a bad mixture. Yeah. Just give her a cup of coffee, smack her in the face. Get her back out there. Red man, say something funny. Give her a little slap on the ass or something. Hi.

You know, look, do you see that shit and you see it as like, well, you know, there's the pitfalls of fame. Avoid these roadblocks. Or do you ever think that that could ever happen to you? You could become super Amy Winehouse-style famous. No, I got a really solid family. I got a really great, you know, foundation. You're from Ohio stock.

Yeah, or Italian. They're actually here. I'm actually late for dinner. Oh, really? But, yeah, my folks and I, I've got three sisters and some really incredible friends and Ben, you know. So you guys are going to keep it together no matter what,

even if you get Jay-Z type famous? Yeah. If I visit you on your yacht... Don't you become a crackhead on my watch? If you guys have a giant yacht and dancing girls on the yacht and I come visit you and... I'll be a dick.

We're going to have that, but we'll be meditating and we'll have all the fucking naked chicks and all the booze, but we'll be like zen and meditating on our juice cleanses and shit. I don't think the girl's supposed to be naked that makes it a little classless okay scantily clad well they're free to do whatever they want though that's the thing we're not gonna stop we won't stop them from going topless if you don't want

tan lines and um translucent undergarments translucent under as well as the men let's not fucking discriminate here. Do you remember when porno stars had tan lines? Running around? The girls had tan lines? Yeah. Harry Cheston still happens.

Brian, do you remember that shit? Remember tan lines when tan lines were hot? Huh? Tan lines are still hot, especially underboob. The Playboy Bunny tan line when they put the sticker on?

Never did that. Never did that? Good for you. I did it. But a lot of girls in high school did. I did. Good for them, too. Do you still go tanning? Expressing themselves. I did it. But a lot of girls in high school did. I did. Good for them too.

Do you still go tanning? Do I look like I go tanning? She spray tans all the time. Brian, look at me. You know what sucks about spray tanning? The back of my neck got burned yesterday because I was walking outside without sunblock on. Which is very dangerous. What sucks about spray tanning?

Because your bed looks like Garfield died in it it does have an odor does it not? it's like an orange streak it does have an odor it's chemical what do you think is going to happen

once they have the ability to actually physically alter the way you look because they're working on that now they're working on all sorts of genetic engineering change people's genomes change whatever that is on that now. They're working on all sorts of different... No, no, no. Genetic engineering. Oh, fuck. That's so weird. Change people's genomes. Change whatever that is. Their DNA.

Whatever the fuck they're going to be able to change. But they're going to be able to do something where they can alter your skin color. That's how everything turns into Minority Report. Everybody could turn black like a gorilla. Yeah. That'd be cool to be black every Friday. Like Black Fridays. Total black. It wouldn't be that you keep changing back and forth.

Imagine if you tried to keep changing back and forth and your DNA just kept getting jacked. More and more fucked up. You're like, I want to try to be an old man for one day just to see what it's going to be like. Go Benjamin Button on their asses. Yeah. I'd do that.

It's called October. What? What? Just in October. Moving on. Yeah, we lost ourselves there. I? What? Just in October. Moving on. Yeah, we lost ourselves there. I know. Oh, damn it.

Where are you going to take mom? Are you going to go to the Olive Garden? Never. That is sacrilegious. Son of a bitch. You are a jerk. Let me tell you something. You don't even know what just happened.

My Italian family, come on. That's not what just happened. You got trolled. He mentions Olive Garden every show. He just did a verbal troll. He mentions the Olive Garden every show. Red band? He thinks troll? For real. He mentions the Olive Garden every show. Red band? He thinks it's cute.

He sneaks it. No, my family owns an Italian restaurant. Son of a bitch. That's like 40 years my grandparents started. So they hate the Olive Garden. Well, they don't hate the Olive Garden, but that's like saying, hey, guys, thanks for coming to California. Let's go to McDonald's.

Yeah, but they could appreciate the value. You're saving their daughter some money. You can do up endless breadsticks there. Red Van. Red Van. Once again, you're put back in timeout. He's fellow Ohio stock. I know.

That's why I'm saying let's stick with the local businesses. White Castle. He's from a different part of the world. I do like White Castle. In and out. That's all East Coast. That's not just Ohio. You guys are naming national chains now.

No, I'm a fan of the chains. I'm just saying, as an Italian woman, I cannot go to Olive Garden and feel good about myself. I'm the proudest of all the states, I think. Honestly, I've known Texans and Ohioans. Ohio. Well, there's a lot of them out here, man. They stick together, these Ohio freaks. They're like Brazilians.

We do. We're mobilizing out here on the West Coast. That's the way they call it, the Ohio freaks. They're like Brazilians. We do. We're mobilizing out here on the West Coast. That's the way they call it, the Midwest Mafia. Holla. That is what they call it. So will you play Ohio, and then we'll wrap this bitch up? Cool. Bring it into shore?

I don't know if I'm in tune. Sorry. Ohio. That, higher. That's good. That's real good. I'm going sound. Sound is kids. You're going sound out?

You wanna do, uh, the angel? Yeah. A one, a two. One, two, three, four. So... Some folks have their same song and dance Downtown bars and cheap romance Getting off, not getting far alone I'll watch this freeway turn to dust, I'll flick you

off the upper crust shouting down how you can bring it back to how it was I act out and you act tough when you say face I call you bluff If you don't wanna give me some I'll find someone who does

I swear your summer's hot and sweet I'll run your streets with my bare feet But you still got the coldest cold I know Ohio Ohio But you still got the coldest cold I know, Ohio, Ohio Holy roller, make some sound Before your time goes underground underground you built the stage I drove me down Ohio Ohio

I never left till my daddy died I got swept up in family pride truth is that the truth came in and hung me out to dry I crushed my face down in the dirt, outdicked the ground And so the hurt, my lungs filled up, to shout the worst and live inside

Ohio, Ohio Ohio Holy Roly Make some sound Before your time goes underground You built the stage out of your big town Ohio Oh, I am guitar solo You're a glass window display Preaching man who prays to pray

Hand me down thrift store trade That never got you paid I'll tap my foot, slap my knee Play all night long, I beg you please You're still my favorite song We sing along to Ohio Ohio

Ohio Ohio Ohio Holy roller make some sound before your time goes under. Well, you'll never stage, I'll throw it down. I'll throw it down.

I'll throw it down. Ohio. Ohio. Ohio. Ohio. You guys are awesome. That was so awesome. I'm a huge fan of that song. Oh, man.

Listen, we have to do something where every time you guys are going to go on the road, no matter where you are, you've got to let us know so we can tweet it. Oh, cool. That's awesome. So anytime you're coming to anywhere, let us know. Put it up, and we'll tweet it. And we'll talk about it on the podcast. Send me an email.

Let me know where you're going to be. People want to know. Thank you. I keep getting all these tweets and people asking me on Facebook, like, how do we go to see them? Where are they? Where are they going to be? October.

We have a tour in October right now. And honeyhoneyband.com? Yep. Honeyhoneyband.com and honeyhoneyband on Twitter. Yes. And you guys are fucking awesome. Oh, man. I'm so psyched that we're friends.

It's so cool to have you guys on and shoot the shit and hang out. Thank you so much for having us. It's so fun. Yeah, we love you guys. And I'm so happy to hear that so many people that listen to the podcast came out to see you guys it was incredible that feels beautiful we're gonna make it more we're gonna make we're gonna pack it look you guys are awesome you're so talented and uh i'm just uh i'm honored to be friends with you guys really oh man

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I'll see you guys. We've got an epic, epic week. Tomorrow, Immortal Technique. What? What? Wednesday, Rob Wolf, author of The Paleo Diet Son. We're going to break down why it's good to be a caveman. And then Maynard James

Keenan on Friday. Holla at your boy. I'm going to faint Friday. We're going to have a good fucking time this week, you dirty bitches. We love you all. Thank you, everybody in Calgary. Before we go, I just want to play this back for the people in Calgary, because this was for real one of the craziest fucking crowds. We had two crazy crowds. We sold out this place called the Jack Singer Concert

Hall and this is this is me going on stage in Calgary because it's just so ridiculous. This is probably the craziest crowd I've ever been in front of in my life. These people are insane. Got that watch from Russell Peters, bitch. What's up? What's up, buddy? How's it going?

What's up? They're fucking savages up there. So the crowd was so crazy. 20 dudes got kicked out, okay, for being hammered and heckling. And at the end of the show, I get a standing ovation. And when everybody stands up, one guy pulls his dick out and starts peeing on the people in front of him yes and there's a video of people punching him in the face there's a video of that guy getting punched in the face it's on my twitter feed from a couple couple of days ago it was awesome calgary you people were the shit even just look 20 douchebags out of a crowd two crowds of 2 000 people is fucking great numbers. People are like, oh, I'm sorry if those people ruined your time in Calgary.

Nobody ruined anything. I had a great fucking time. It was amazing. Calgary was the shit. And the guys who got kicked out, you know, they just got too drunk. The intermission was a terrible idea, too. There's an intermission. Anyway, the show's over.

We'll see you guys tomorrow. Or not. It's your call. It's your call. Thanks. Thank you.