The Joe Rogan Experience - #2433 - James McCann

Episode Date: December 31, 2025

James Donald Forbes McCann is a comedian, author, and host of “The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan." His latest special, "James Donald Forbes McCann: Black Israelite," is streaming on YouTube.www.jdfmccann.comwww.youtube.com/@JamesDonaldForbesMcCannwww.patreon.com/jdfmccann Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Where? Oh, no. Not over the relics. The dirtier this table is the better. Get it away from the... What is that? The relics. That is...

That's for my friend John. John Reeves, he gave that to me. That's a mastodon tooth. Or woolly mammoth? What's the difference? What is the difference in Willie Mammoth and a Mastodon? They must be a different age, a different era. But that's a giant tooth.

There's a company in Alaska, I forget the name, but they kind of seems fucked to carve into this thing because it is 10,000 years old, at least. How many of them are there, though? Do they have heaps of them? They have heaps of them. Oh, but this is really cool. It's like they carved a mammoth in it. So what is the difference?

According to our sponsor perplexity, a woolly mammoth and a mastodon were related, but quite different ice age elephants. Mammoths were taller, more slightly built grass eaters, while mastodons were shorter, stockier browsers that ate woody plants. Okay. I was going to say the hair maybe, but it's obviously more. Woolly mammoth, right? Yeah, a mastodon looks like an elephant.

Yeah, the mastodon horn does look cooler. They're pretty cool. They're all pretty cool. you know they lived on an was it what were the last mastodons I want to think I want to say they lived on an island

until like 10,000 years ago or something like that because most of them died out they don't know how they died out but there's two theories one theory is people killed them all which is a shaky theory because it's people of 10,000 years ago

with fucking sticks Were they around 10,000 years ago Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they died We definitely did that thing I don't think so I think it was a cataclysm I think it was the same thing that killed 65% of all

megafauna That's the problem It killed so many different animals Almost instantaneously Yeah, that's it 4,000 years ago Wrangel Island Remote Arctic Island

off Siberia's coast Had the last woolly man Until about 4,000 years ago Isn't that nuts? That's nothing That's nuts Yeah, that's like before the pyramids

are built. It's... No, I mean, after the pyramids are built, rather. Similar time. Yeah, after the pyramids. Allegedly, I think they're probably built earlier than that. But the official date is 2,500 pieces. I've seen that strange man with the beard and the...

Which one? That man you had on to debate it, who's always clapping back on Twitter and going like, there's nothing funny about the... Oh, Flint Devil? Yeah. I don't want to invoke his ire. Yeah, he's got a lot of ire. He's got a lot of time and a lot of hate.

I actually enjoyed talking to him about non-archial... non, you know, ancient history-related stuff. Here's some interesting things about seeds. Like he does a lot of work in seeds. Okay. No, it's actually really interesting how... Like the history of seeds? Yeah, when...

So say if you have a wild plant, they can tell the difference, you know, wild plant and an agriculturally grown plant. Yeah. And the way is the seeds change. So when you have a wild seed, it is more conducive to the growth of the plant. If the seeds break off easier and scatter. and they get into the ground easier. So they break free of the plant.

But then when you use agriculture, the seeds don't become important for the creation of new plants because you're always taking the seeds anyway and planting the seeds, right? So those seeds are more robust and they hang on more. Yeah.

So you could tell by looking at the actual seeds themselves, whether it's an agriculturally based seed or whether it's a wild seed. That is good. I hadn't thought about that. Yeah. It was really cool. That part was cool.

The shittiness is not cool. I'm calling Graham Hancock a racist. They do that with, like, everyone. Everyone who has anything to say about the historical narrative that doesn't fit into exactly what they're teaching or what they have been teaching. They're, like, so unwilling to accept that there's any alternative timeline. But they keep getting fucked because over and over again, they keep finding these new things that are older and older. Yeah. Like, Bill Beckley-Tephy was the big one.

It happens in every discipline. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it happens in comedy. There's people that don't like new comedians that are coming up, and they don't like what they're doing differently. You said a thing last night about prop comedy. Yeah.

You're like, everyone just stopped doing prop comedy at a certain point. Well, it's because of Carrotop. It's because of Carrotov and also because the bullying you would receive. Right. At the moment for having props. There's what, Rick Glassman. Am I getting his name right? I don't know.

But he had some props and he was really funny, and he got away with it. But he's the only person in America, other than Caratop I've seen with any props. Well, when I started out, there was a bunch of guys who had props. There was a bunch of guys who had props, and it was fun. It was fun to watch. There was, God, Dr. Widd? I forget his name. Dr. Wizz?

I forget his name. But he was a guy when I first started out in, like, the 1980s he had props, and he was good. He was a funny comic. It would be cyclical. It'll come back. Like, ladies with ukulele's had to go away for a time. It was necessary that we purge ukulele women. from comedy how many were there oh my god i don't know that was is this him doctor the legendary whid

that's it legendary whid yeah that's the dude and he uh would do like science-based humor he's a funny guy so this is you know i saw him in like 88 88 89 but the point was that guy was really funny when he started bust out the props yeah and uh and we were like i was like why don't you just do props this is your thing yeah like that kind of humor his kind of humor, it's almost like it's missing something in just the straight stand-up form. There's like there's waves of things become trendy and then people who can't really do it very well jump onto it and then it gets lame and people stop doing it. Well, a lot of it is one guy gets really successful doing it and then that becomes his thing.

We had a run of people pretending to be retarded in Australia. How hard did they try? Were they on the border and just like slowed it down a little? We had sweaters, people having like fireworks that they would find. into themselves and everyone would like come out with cards and read their act that's what happens when you take away everyone's guns they're trying to take them away again again they already took them all away and then somehow we still had a massive shooting and now the response is well maybe we could take even more of them away um what was the nationality the people that caused the shooting

the son i think was born in australia and the dad there was a big fight over it on twitter where people were going he's pakistani i remember that but i didn't i don't anymore i don't anymore i don't get in The big argument was over the religion of the hero who took one of the guns away. So, like, the cops were apparently cowering. That's the narrative. I don't know. But one guy ran up, and it's a great video of a guy like, he runs at a guy with a gun and wrestles the gun off him and aims the gun at him.

He does let the guy get away. He doesn't want to kill him. Which is kind of crazy. The guy just killed how many people? Oh, and then I think the guy gets a gun and goes on killing people. No. Yeah. But he's not a killer, this guy who wrestled the gun off.

He was just a heroic man. Well, beat him in the head with the butt, like in the movies. I don't know what I, I mean, I wouldn't have ever run up to a man with a gun. I would have been out of there. But the argument was what religion was the guy who took the gun. Because people on the right really didn't want him to be a Muslim. They were like, it was a huge thing on X of people. People on the right didn't want him to be a Muslim?

Yeah, because it was Muslim shooters, but then it looked like he was, his name was like Ahmed al-Amead or something. But hold on, why would the people on the right not want him to be a Muslim? Because then you can go, this is a Muslim thing. Muslims were doing the shooting and we can just go, let's deal with. with the Muslims. Oh, you mean the people, the guy who captured the guy. The guy who wrestled the gun off was also a Muslim, which then makes it like, oh, so was he? Yeah. Yeah. Well, his name is like Muhammad-Mahmson. But imagine being a regular Muslim and have to deal with these crazy mother fires. There he is. That guy. Yeah, people love him. But, man, people-

shoot the guy in the foot. If you didn't want to kill him, shoot him, blow his fucking ankle off. Because no one can really do that and then it's a big, look at him go. Oh, that's amazing. And he doesn't do anything. So the guy just gets away? The guy does get away. Oh, this is not good. But then after he lets him get away, I think he drops the gun and he goes away and then he gets shot again in the arm. But who knows what to do when there's a live... Yeah, you don't know what to do. Well, that's a good person. That's a good person.

He is a national hero at the moment. And I think if he had... Man, people wanted him to be a Maronite Christian. So bad. The Groypers were desperate for him to be. There's a lot of people going, well, actually. You know, that's the real problem we have in this country. We want to pretend that people actually exist in groups. Even if there's high percentages of people from groups that are doing bad things, there's still a giant percentage that are not. And to alienate all those people by just lumping it all in as one group together.

Imagine, like, imagine you're a peaceful Muslim and you have to deal with this shit. And you're like, guys, I just want to pray. I'm just trying to, like, find oneness with God. That's all I'm trying to do. I love twirling. Yeah. I'm one of the twirling. ones. They're my favorite ones personally. What's a twirling? The twirling dervishes. They just

love twirling. They love to twirling. But the twirling. It's, I was trying to figure out what you were saying. But this is what's weird. So after that, the government comes out and is like cracking down on right wing extremism. Because it's a lefty government and they go, we have clearly we have a problem with right wing extremism. So now they're trying to reclassify like, you know, globalized infatada jihadism as a former. of right-wing extremism, which I'd never, which like, yeah, I guess it's not commie-lefty stuff. Well, do you have to look at it on paper, objectively, it is. Yeah, but I don't know how much they hang out.

I don't know if these guys, I don't think these guys are reading like, I don't know, William F. Buckley Jr. and stuff. Let's break down what is right-wing then, okay? Let's say this. Okay, do they want to completely control women's behavior and completely dictate whether or not the woman can leave the house with certain clothes on, what they're allowed to do, right? Yeah.

That's kind of a right-wing thing, isn't it? Yes. Total religious adherence. They want a religious state. Yeah, but the Taliban want to dance with little boys. That seems like a left-wing thing. That's a separate break-off group. They're like the Baptists.

They're like the Catholics. You know what I mean? You've got your regular Christians, and then you've got some other motherfuckers that are out there running wild with new rules. Mormons. How about this? What a moment?

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. It's like their breakoff group. It's not the ones who are banging the boys. That's not normal. There's a lot of guys out there that are Muslim that are not banging boys. So when you connect them with the Taliban, they're like, bro, I'm just praying over here. It's all people just trying to have fun. Yeah, yeah.

Who might have judged anybody? The problem is then you push, when you push these people, it's the same thing that happens that you call everyone a racist. What do you get? You get a Nick Quintess. You get a guy who emerges, he's got the ball. to shit talk and have fun and say wild things that are very inappropriate and sometimes racist that's what you get you get someone embraces that guy because

you've been told you're a racist just for being white yeah you know you've been told there's something wrong with you white male like there was a time where someone would say something in comments all the time I would watch these people arguing and someone it was a common thing to say as a white man I think you probably shut your fucking mouth like as a white man like you're a white man like You're a white man. You're just qualified from having an opinion on something because you are a white man. Yeah.

So another form of racism. It's just an accepted form of racism. That's really weird. But then you, like, Nick Fuentes is getting all his other ideas through as well. Because he was the only person saying things that the average person would think was kind of normal. Well, he was. But then he wasn't. A lot of the stuff he was saying was not something the average person would think is awful.

But you sneak your other weird stuff through. Like when everyone's going. Right. Right. Right. You know, like when he says, when he's getting attacked for going like a black neighborhood is going to be more violent on average in America, you go, yes, I've traveled around the country and that is, I think there's a long history for why that's true. Well, it's factually correct. That seems to be correct.

The question is, though, why? And that's where it gets uncomfortable. Yeah. Because the real reason for why is a host of factors. But the primary one is crime and poverty. the primary one is they live in a community that's filled with crime and poverty and if you have a drugs and if you have a community

where people are selling drugs and it's crime and poverty you're going to get a lot of violence whether it's an Italian community Armenian community where you got a lot of crime and a lot of poverty I first came here

I went to Appalachia people going to be killed there are white people doing crazy crazy things you ever see the wild wonderful whites of West Virginia I watched it like a week ago fucking amazing

the most charismatic family I've ever seen Knoxville did that didn't he yeah he was executive producer yeah bro that dude it made me feel so homesick looked like i was only there for a couple months i wanted to go back so bad the dance and outlaw he's when they're like granddaddy had a new way a dance and it's the most insane like was that really going to take off it did was that the style

of bro when you're on meth it's awesome i mean miss it's the perfect dance style they were oh they were on everything they were on the lot how about the lady i'm always been thought of as a sexy one she was a stripper remember her no i did the voice I did a big deep dive on Wikipedia about them afterwards. She stumped a kitten. Which one's dancing here? This is Jesco, the American Outlaw. Oh, okay.

He's the younger guy. Justco lives out the legacy. Excuse me? He's like, he keeps the dance in the life. He's the one who's a celebrity in the show. But then there's another documentary about him. And in both documentaries, he complains about a woman making his eggs wrong. Yeah, that's that dude.

Yeah. He's got it. charismatic guy yeah he he said he would cut her if she gave him bloody eggs I was like sloppy eggs settle down bro like maybe we shouldn't be celebrating this but I think I think one of them just got out of prison I think the one who at the start of that document I hope Trump got him out who got out what he do the one who shot his uncle oh that kid yeah I think he just got that's the sexy one of the family listen to what she said how the way she says The voice is incredible.

This is just pictures. Yeah. I think that sexy one, I think she did get in trouble for stepping on a cat. Well, there was a thing in that film that was interesting, though, towards the end, where you see, like, some of them are trying to, like, move away from that life. That one girl got sober. So there was, like, a take to it where they realized, like, hey, this is not sustainable. This is a crazy way to live.

I'm a mother. Like, what am I doing? You know, and she was trying to get out of it. Which I think a lot of people do come to the realization if you're in that kind of a community. that kind of a community, I gotta get the fuck away from these crazy assholes and stop doing meth. It is, yeah, I think. But it's how do you do it? See, this is the thing. This is the thing, when you say, like, is it true that there's a higher percentage of murders that occur in black communities? Right, right. But as opposed to poor communities? Like, what about, like,

in deeply impoverished communities? Like, and then when you introduce a history of gang violence and crime and no one ever does anything to stop it, it's going to stay the same. Whether it's in Appalachia or whether it's, like, the Hatfields and the McCoys, all those motherfuckers that were killing each other back in the Wild West days. I mean, it's probably horrible back then. Why? Because they let it be that way. Nobody did anything about it.

You couldn't stop them. And I think some of the solutions for it are very bad. This is my, I don't want to speak out of turn because it's not my country. But like, when I've been driving through it. People love to come to America and tell us what to do. I love it. I think it's the greatest country in the world, and I repeat that again. Me too.

When I drive through like a bad area and there's like a planned parenthood with a line around the block and things set on fire. And you can just like, I know that planned parenthood started out as a eugenicist organization where they went. Like that was the lady who founded it. That was her thing. And you can really see in those neighborhoods, it's like if you have a child here, you're going to be tied to this community. We want you to get out. We want people who have the spirit to get out of here and to live a good full life in America not to be tied down to being in. like a really difficult

crime riddled area so abort your children so you can get out seems to be there I think they're still doing the eugenesis thing of being like just be free for different reasons

not because they want to dilute the numbers in the population or whatever but because they go you've got to be a free person who can leave and children will tie you to a place yeah that's a way to look at it

that was when I was driving through I forget with Wisconsin northern Wisconsin I don't know I just hit with this oh man it's like usually the rough area of a town is lifted up by a freeway in America. Like you don't see. If you drive into

Chicago, you're just way up here on a freeway and then you come down into like the most beautiful buildings you've ever seen in your life. And people go, it's very scary over in the other part of Chicago and you go, I never saw it. I was above it. I was 30 feet in the air. Yeah, that's a good move. But in some places I have driven through it and I've gone, or I stopped and you

go, there's someone's, like if I lived here, I mean, there are some areas that are so rough where it's like, man, if I lived here, I would go and steal and kill from the people who live 20 minutes up the road, for sure. Do you know, like, you just drive 20 minutes up the road, and there's a German town and everything's perfect and everyone's rich and everyone's beautiful. Yep. And you, this doesn't happen in, I don't know, I'm from a very flat country by comparison. Just imagine the highs and lows here are incredible.

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When people are like, why do you have dogs? Why do you have guns? I was like, what? Like, do you watch the news? Yeah. Are you fucking crazy? Like, you got to be careful out there. And most of the time, it's not going to happen to you.

The 99.99% of people will never experience anything awful. But to not have any idea that it could ever happen to you is bad. I think the real problem, and this is the one that just doesn't. get addressed with any politicians ever is something massive has to be done to stop this like ancestral like this lineage of people that are coming from these crime-ridden places and no one changes anything about it at all we had a cop on once from baltimore and he was telling us that while he was on on duty he found this uh like crime sheet a dock sheet of all the things that happened in like 76 or something like that. And he was reading all the areas and all

the crimes and it dawned on them. It was like, oh my God. Like this is the same crimes in the same area decades later and nothing has changed. They need to do something huge. Like treat that as if it's an untapped resource of human potential because that's what it is. All those people in that community, if they had been born and raised with different families and a different place, completely different outcome. A giant percentage of who you are is dumb luck. And if the people that got the worst luck

to be born in a crack house or be born in a place where there's gang violence on the street every day and you go to school and you have to pick a gang, if you don't pick a gang, you'll fucking kill you. Like, what are you going to do? Like, you're not going to do anything

but what everybody else is doing. That's what most people are going to do. The few that are going to break out, maybe they're musicians or an athlete or something like that, they break out. Yeah. But for the most part, you're fucked but what it is is untapped and unrealized human potential that's going to waste

on the most stupid fucking shit in the world I but then when you try and do something like that in America the pushback is huge like I think what is the pushback of investing into communities I would say like in a small like I think the National Guard going into some places okay that's different so that's what it that's what it can look like sometimes that's what it can look like into this administration Portland yeah there's got to be a better way of doing Well, you're just going to get too much pushback, but what you can't do is let it get to the point where it's feasible to call in the National Guard. Yeah. That's what's crazy.

It's like their law enforcement has been so handcuffed by the administrations, especially in northwestern United States. Like, everybody, they don't get enough sun. They lost their fucking mind. Everyone's depressed and everyone's trans. It's crazy up there. It's crazy. I was just in Portland. I was in Portland just before the National Guard went in, and I was in Portland like.

How insane? It's so much, you can walk around a little easier. Oh, after the NASCAR. I will say, like, I know people were very upset in Portland about that, but I think just quietly they were going. It's kind of nice to have to walk to the train station again. The mayor in D.C. Thank Trump.

Yeah. She's like, this is like the safest it's ever been here since you brought in the National Guard. Look, but the problem is that sets a fucking precedent. So here's the thing, if it's necessary. Let's say you have a place that's a literal, not even a real place, a fictional place in America. where there's a literal gang war going on. And dozens of people are getting shot every day.

And it's basically a war zone. Let's just imagine a place like that. You would say, okay, it's probably a good idea to bring in the military and control that because the entire population is at risk. It's very dangerous. It's a literal war zone in the middle of a modern American city. We have to stop that. Well, the thing is, if you used to, okay, people are lighting newspaper stands on fire.

People are doing this. People are breaking the starboasts. Let's bring in the military. People aren't obeying the speech laws. Let's bring in the military. People are not using their digital ID. Let's bring in the military. It's like there's got to be a separation between our army and our civilians.

And it has to be a big fucking reason to break that separation. I think, I mean, you did it in the 60s in the South when like busing campaign. Don't say me. I was sorry, y'all. The United States. When Jim Crow was happening in the South, the military got sent in. And people, you desegregated the South by force. Right. So that was deemed to be like an appropriate use of, like a monopoly on violence to enact a social change.

Like, you're not going to have segregated schools anymore. We're going to have the military there and make sure that this works out. Crazy you have to bring in that, the military, to get people to allow black people and white people to go to school together. I mean, yeah, they didn't want. It's just so weird when I go to the South now Because everyone is so friendly And people do seem to get along And you go

Your grandparents were Like Do it? Brother, they had to rip the band area off Doing the craziest stuff Well, it's terrible I mean that Emmett Till I just found out about that after I got here It's unbelievable

And they were still shooting The Emmett Till statue That they put up They had to like Replace it with a bronze statue So the bullet holes wouldn't affect it That's what was going on? I believe that was what was happening

Until like quite reasonable It wasn't just one KKK dude that ruined it for everybody else. You know what I'm saying? That's the problem. You get one wacky guy in a neighborhood. And you know, that's a racist neighborhood. They were shooting the Emmett Till statue. Maybe that's one asshole works at the tire shop.

You know? One fucking dude, just smelling his own farts and loading up his rifle. That one Arkansas MMA fighter who kept saying that he loved Hitler, did a lot, did a lot to hurt the reputation of that football team. Yeah, he always had the Razorbacks in the back. Yeah. That wasn't a... I think he did not phrase that well I think

I think there's a lot of people Here's the thing There's a lot of people that become experts And I'm guilty of this as well By You're talking about something Where you maybe watch a YouTube video You know what I mean?

Like maybe you Maybe you read an article about it It's some fucking Politico Who knows? Who knows where you read it? It could be some crazy right-wing source You read something You took it as fact

And then you talk to a bunch of other people that also take it as fact. And next thing you know, you start talking and you have the biggest show in the world? Saying shit. Yeah, that's me. Okay, but people always criticize that. People always have a go at the podcasters for like spouting off on things that they're not. Yeah, but that is what I do. But how come there's no responsibility on the mainstream legacy media for having gotten really, really boring over the last 15, 20 years?

Boring is. I would say lying as well. Compromise. Completely compromised, totally untrustworthy, completely. completely compromised. I just got the New York Times app because I thought, I'll have a look at that. I finally got enough money

where I can pay a dollar a week to be on the New York Times app. Yeah. And it's so, I mean, they've built Twitter. Like the experience of it and the scrolling on it. It feels like you're in Twitter, but only mediated through

selected journalists from the New York Times. And suddenly you're like, I'm just stepping into for a moment. Whatever bubble that is, I wanted to take a look at it. Well, it's like... I think they're all going to have to course correct. I think they're all going to have to realize that it's not being intellectual, like a true intellectual, a true progressive, by only looking at things from one perspective.

And to automatically assume that anybody that has a different perspective, hey, we're back. There we go. Where was I? So they need to have a course correction. We're talking about the mainstream media and that they've lost that many people. That's what I'm saying. But you can't proclaim yourself to be intellectual by only listening to one perspective and to being, like, very aggressive and hostile about the other perspective. Immediate ad hominemes, immediate attacks on, you know, lumping everyone in together, associated, like we were talking about earlier, associating ancient history with racism.

Like, you're doing that. It's a little trick you're doing. You're not having a real conversation. You're being a bitch. and this kind of communication sucks it sucks for the left it sucks for the right when people on the right

it sucks for it's a bad human communication skill if you were good at it you would want other people to have different opinions and you'd want to hear those opinions and talk to those people

I think they're trying a course correct this is what's weird to watch is there and it's who they're I don't want to do they they love Schultz at the New York Times well he goes over there they've picked him yes they've picked him We can work with him.

Yeah. Well, he's very smart. They want him. Sure. And another, he's another guy who's very smart and very fun. You know, so like they want these people because they've been kind of locked out of the fun. Yeah. Well, they just pretended that it didn't exist.

Do you see Schultz talk to them, though? I haven't talked to them? I'm a round table. Yeah. Yeah, it was great. It's hilarious because he, they're talking in these bullshit terms. Yeah. And he's like, hold on, you know, let's just talk real here.

when he goes, the Jews. And everybody laughs, because he can. Because he's a comedian. He's a lad to be funny. Yeah. And there was another one that he did with another guy. I forget from one other mainstream media publication. It was the same sort of situation.

And to have it that way where it's a one-on-one conversation, then you get to see like the weird way that they actually think and communicate, the bubble. Like when Tim Dylan was on CNN one. I was going to say, that's why I move my ring up. Amazing. Because she kept asking this. She didn't want it. They resisted releasing that as a long-form thing.

Yes, yes. And you can see why, because she's asking the same question three or four times in a row to try and bait something, which is not how a conversation works. We pressured them into putting the whole thing out. She keeps going real, come on. Just to get him, because he's a fun guy, and he wants to say something funny, and she's like baiting him to say something exaggerated. Yeah, John Stewart had the best response to this whole thing.

He was talking to some guy from the New Yorker, and they were talking about this podcast, And he's like, you know, they were talking about different opinions and people, different people that have talked to. And he's like, but Joe Rogan has the biggest audience in the world. He has a bigger audience. He's like, well, go get a big audience. Yeah. Go get it. It's not like they don't have the finances.

You just go figure it out, do it right, and you'll get a big audience. Like, it's not that fucking complicated. I don't have pyrotechnics. There's no CGI. There's not even a crew. there's a skeleton crew of people who do this but I think I think some of it is the it's just like ivory tower mentality of if

if it becomes like that they think there is a there is a sense in people who have got like a very big education and have gone through the whatever system you have to jump through to get to an elite legacy thing is that most people are too stupid to have like an open and honest conversation with and that if stupid people like you then that's a problem that's how they're viewing the world and that there's like well there's all they're also

viewing the world in that they're protecting people from opinions they don't agree with even though they listen to those opinions has no effect on their position they keep the same position yes they're worried that people dumber than them it's a very condescending thought process to think that you're the only open-minded person right and not only that and people that are dumber is that which is most people you're you're going to fall into the trap of what this person's saying that I don't agree with And there's, yes. Yeah. And that if you, and that the only way to get people to listen to you is to, like, spin lies.

Like, you can't just be honest. Exactly. Which is what I think the podcasting thing is, it's what it is. It's a long, it's, you can't really put on a facade for three hours talking to somebody. Maybe you can. I think that might be who he is at this point. Yeah, he is definitely that. Well, that's why I wanted to do a podcast with him.

So you could say three hours. By the way, no questions beforehand, no prep, didn't pee, sat there for three hours. He's almost 80. Like, if he was wearing a diaper, respect, but the guy just fucking hung out for three hours. Does that mean I agree with everything he does? Fuck, no. Of course not. But he was able to be himself for three.

He was able to talk for three hours. Whereas Kamala, wouldn't do it. Well, she wouldn't do it. She could have done it. I'm telling you, man. I watched her for six minutes on Stephen Colbert, and I don't think she could do it. It's different. He's kind of being like an interviewer, right?

He's in this weird position where he's at a desk. the desk is beside you for some reason because that's how they always used to do it so these fucking uncreative people just do it the exact same way always it doesn't make any sense why does he have a desk is he writing what does he have did he have pens in the drawer like what are we doing here

like why am I on a couch over here why am I sitting down like to the right of you it's weird it's always in the same position host is always to the right they're always to the left of the screen it's goofy right so he's doing this thing that you only do on television in front of an audience by the way

You should never have a conversation in front of an audience. Because as soon as you do, the people are aware of the audience. You're aware how people think and feel and you're playing to them. And some people say things to try to get a rise out of you in front of the audience. If you want to do that, it's a different thing. But if you're going to have like a really important conversation with someone, you don't want to do it in a fucking audience. So Stephen, the way he's doing is handicap from the jump. Also, you only have seven minutes before you have to cut for commercial or whatever it is.

You can't do that. You, it'll take me seven minutes to ask what she likes to cook. I want to know what she, who she, I don't know. I want to know, is there anything that she regrets doing? Is she ever, what does she learn from this time? Is it more complicated being a vice president that you thought it was going to be? Like, what is the web of trying to fix things and change things versus the people that are influencing you to make decisions?

Because we're not pretending that people don't spend a lot of money to influence your decision. So how much of an effect does it have? What do you actually believe when they come to you asking for those favors? What would be better? Could we take money out of politics? Would you be willing? What would we do if we completely eliminated corporate funding of any politicians? How would that change everything?

Those are the kind of questions we could have liked. We could have talked for hours about that. But she doesn't want to do that. And the people around her, this is what I admit. There's like, there's something that has, the right used to have this as well. And both sides of politics had it. And I remember there was like Howard Dean, I think it was, did a weird scream one time. And the whole thing fell apart. And that really stayed with me that I

remember watching politics and there was some sense of like everything is very manufactured. And if you make a single mistake, oh my God, you're going to lose the primary. It's all over. And Trump destroyed that with the Republicans where it all became very, we've just got to like hang out and talk and everyone got very loosey goosey on the right. And the Democrats have not adjusted to that and had their like Bernie could do it. They just froze Bernie out and they did everything they could to stop him coming through. Right. Like Marjorie Taylor Green.

You could not have a person like that before Trump. There's no way. There's no way. I mean, you can't have her with. She's gone now. She's gone. But she wouldn't have existed without him. Like that sort of brash, crazy personality.

That had not existed in a congressperson. And there will be someone on the left who can do that. Jasmine Crockett. She's doing that. Man, maybe. She gets aggressive and loud. loud and they get crazy with each other listen it's a reality show now i know people don't like her i think she's hip she would maybe come on the show okay have you invited her to come on the show no i listen

i'm too scared have me on the show i think uh a lot of them probably very nice people very nice people they're and this is not a attack on any individuals i think that system turns you into a sociopath that's what I think. And I think there's very few people, Tulsi Gabbard, my friend being one of them. I'd love her. She's amazing. She's a real person. Like that lady is the same person on air, off air, meeting people, hanging out with her husband. I've hung out with her hours and hours and hours. That's who she is. She's cool as fuck. And she was a congressperson, but she has horror stories. Yeah. When she tells you, like, what it's like on the inside and when you find out how these people are making hundreds of millions of dollars on a hundred and seventy

thousand dollars a year salary and no one's batting an eye that is kind of kooky that's it's kind of kooky because even ones you wouldn't suspect like wait a minute they're worth how much now you don't really know how much they're worth right you're you'd have to you'd have to get an audit right because what you're hearing is a reporting of what they're worth and it could be total propaganda it could be half of what it is but even if it's millions, even if it's a couple million. If you've been a congressperson for two years and now all of a sudden you're worth $3 million and you were in debt before you became a congressperson, that's suspicious.

And if you look at the fucking the people that invest money, that's where it gets really crazy. Because it is not a blue thing and it's not a red thing. It's both. Everybody is making money on the stock market. There's a shitload of these people that are buying a bunch of. bunch of stock and then conveniently, a short time later, a bill gets passed that they were working on that makes it very profitable for that country. Stock shoots through the roof. They make a giant windfall. I'm trying to remember who said it. There was some line that someone said about,

like, you can sort of believe what you want in American politics and you'll get rich for it. No matter what you actually believe, there's a group out there who are going to get you rich for having a belief in it. Sort of. It's the environmental people, if it's the fossil fuel people. Right. I mean, there would be varying scales of it. But also, you can fix this. Like, there are ways to...

To fix the money in politics? I've been reading a lot about Lee Kuan Yew. Who's that? He was sort of the dictator of Singapore. They might not like that. Don't go there. He won elections. But Singapore is like a single party state.

Oh, so it's like when Putin wins. I don't want to get in trouble with the people of Singapore. Listen. But it is notable, that one party wins every single time and they don't primary and they win almost all the seats and they are really popular

but he brought in like canings and he got drugs out of the country and he started paying the politicians a lot like if you're a politician in Singapore you get a huge salary but you are not to ever be corrupt like you're meant to have enough money that they can't really buy you

and that might be the only way because if you have been you know were they earning 170,000 something dollars a year to be a congressperson if they are making $3 million a year and the punishment for taking money from anybody else or from getting a stock maybe you can't own stocks

but we give you $3 million a year then at least you can't be swayed like you're taking a lot of tax money to do the job but at least there's some insulation on someone being able to go I want you to vote this way I think if you have a totalitarian dictatorship you could probably pull that off because if the politician is bad you could shoot them

the problem in America if you have $3 million and you know a guy who's got 50 million dollars you feel poor because we're retarded all right Brian Callan has a friend who's worth I think he's worth $8 billion and he feels broke because his friend is worth 30 I don't know no no for real yeah there's people that goofy I've met I've seen it a couple times so if you're in the business of trying to make money which is what most politicians are that's like they decided not to go into sales they go into politics they're trying to make as much money as they can while they're there Yeah. That's what most people are doing with most jobs. If you're doing that and you're, you're just kind of a person who's drawn to that kind of a job, you're not going to be happy with your salary. If you find out that there's some NGO that you can invest in and you can start a nonprofit and then it becomes a profit and you can funnel money overseas and then corporations that you buy into also can use the, you know, the laws that you're passing.

You're going to do it anyway. They're going to do it anyway. This is why Plato says they're not allowed to touch money. I cannot, I cannot be corrupted. You'd have to kill them. If you catch them corrupt, you've got to shoot them in front of everybody. You're going to say, this is what happens when you steal from America. Boom.

I'm not saying you should do that. But I'm saying that's the only way you're going to stop it. It would have to be a totalitarian dictatorship. But then it brings us back to the thing about using the military in the cities. When do you draw the line? Yeah. When do you draw the line? Like, okay, what's hate speech?

Right? So hate speech can mean a bunch of different things to different people. So as soon as you say, we can't permit hate speech, okay, well, then you can't permit freedom of speech because you're just defining hate by whatever. That's the same line when you bring the military into those cities. It's the same line. It's like you're doing something you shouldn't be able to do and you're justifying doing it saying because this is a special case.

The problem is, what if that gets solved, you're going to move further to the more, You've already got me to allow you to arrest, you can arrest me for tweeting things. Okay, I've already said yes to that. So what else is next? Like, you're going to keep going. If you make money, you want to make more money. If you pass laws, you want to pass more laws. That's how you get numbers on the board.

That's how you win this fucking game. You can't let them ever score. Then you have to de-game the system. Long term, if you're going to have a democracy, you have to have... Yeah, you got to de-game the system. But the problem is, there's so... so much profit in it and they get to vote on whether or not they can still do this insider trading thing, right? Which is bananas. Like, who thinks we should still steal? Oh, can we have

an anonymous vote? You don't have this problem with an aristocracy. That's all I'm saying. If you finally go back to the powdered wigs and silk stockings. There's a terrible argument for that because you're just hoping that the person is a benevolent dictator. That's the best case scenario. a benevolent king. But how many of those have ever existed? We've had so many beautiful benevolent kings. We've got a benevolent king right now in my country. It's strange, right? It's like there's no right way to run people because no one really should be one. There's never a time where it makes sense where one person is the head dude of 350 million people. That is nuts. That is a completely.

completely nuts. Yeah. But you also, I mean, as a country, you have a great tolerance, I think, compared to other, like, Western democracies for letting there be some chaos. Yeah, because we have, we have guns. That's part of it. I think this is a heavily armed country. Tolerating chaos allows you to have the gun stuff. Like, if you didn't have the virtue of going, some people are going to get shot and we're going to be okay with that.

Well, it's not just that. It's like, you know, it was written into the Constitution because we were rebelling, right? We were rebelling from a dictatorship. We had escaped. And when we had declared that this was a country, we were like, we got to stay strapped. Because these motherfuckers might come back. And we all agreed to that. And then it got to a point where people go, okay, but they were talking about muskets.

Now people have AR-15s. Now people have, you know, switches they could put on glocks and it can fire automatic. Is a tactical nuclear weapon defended under the Second Amendment? You want to hear the scariest thing that I heard? this was a guy that was talking about the UAP program and the back engineering of flying saucers what do they call it a simultaneous

or a spontaneous what was the word that he used for it instantaneous that these UFOs that they believe use some sort of a gravity some sort of a propulsion system that's unknown to modern science standard conventional science

and they can transport literally transport like going from place to place in space instantaneously. And so what do the United States government try to do? They tried to use it as a method of delivering a nuclear bomb. So an instantaneous nuclear payload delivery system. That's what they were calling flying saucers. The first thing they thought about doing with them was instantaneously deliver a nuke. So no one could retaliate and they didn't even see it coming.

You would just have a flying saucer with a nuke. appear at the Kremlin What's weird though You guys had that capability For years Allegedly No I mean I mean when no one else had the nuclear bomb

And when we didn't have good Anti-Air programs And just America alone Had nuclear weapons Yeah You could have at that point You could have said We're in charge of the world now

Or everyone's dead Well there was a bunch of people that did I mean that's what Dr. Strange Love is all about right You made movies about it and you talked about it But you didn't do it When the Suez crisis kicked off I think Eisenhower was like, can we get a nuke in there?

And people said, no, Mr. President. Bro, they came real close to nuking things three or four times. But what a beautiful thing that you held back. Yes. No one else would have. I think about this a lot. That like if anyone else had discovered the nuclear weapon, that's it. You'd have global hegemony by one power.

Well, I think that is one thing about America that most people will agree to is that we like to think of ourselves as being the best country in America. and that comes with responsibility. Being the greatest superpower comes with responsibility. That's why people get real uncomfortable about like drone bombing statistics and shit like that to get real uncomfortable because it makes you really, really question what we do. Yeah. When you tell people, do you know that like more than 80% of the people that die in drone bombings

or civilians, accidental kills? So every time someone tries to be nice about Obama, then they have to go, we're the drone bombings. Yeah. A lot of innocent people. I know. They always have to. to do that. You know, listen, I think we found out through Obama, most likely what you find out through anybody that gets through there that's not Trump, is that they immediately co-opt you into the

system. You had no idea how the system worked until you got in there. You were a senator for two years. And then also you're a president. You have some amazing ideas, and you're a great spokesperson and probably the best statesman we've ever had, like the best representative of the best about America, a guy who is from a single mom, you know, grew up poor, didn't, you know, didn't have A silver spoon in his mouth. Forget about all the narratives of him being related somehow to the bushes. There's a lot of that. I didn't know that.

Oh, there's like a whole conspiracy theory. But the point is that what you got is a guy who was promoting hope and change, right? And that's what we were all really hoping was going to happen. But not. It was really kind of like another Bush term in terms of like foreign policy in terms of a lot of things. In terms of like the way America felt about America, though, it was good. It was like, hey, racism has. obviously, like, stopped being an issue to get you to be the president of the United States

because a black man just won. And it's not saying that racism doesn't exist, but we're doing better than we used to do. This was not possible when Martin Luther King Jr. was making his I have a dream speech, but it is possible now. So we have progressed. And he's brilliant. So it's, and he's, and he's, like, well measured and calm and peaceful. And he never calls reporters piggy.

He never, he never makes mead tweets when his enemy's done. you know like so as a representative of America I mean I it's gone to the point where the Rob Reiner tweet just went over it just like it killed it for a lot of people yeah is that it but like no I mean I saw it and I was like oh yeah of course he's mocking a dead man well that guy tried to jail him for you know year and this is not forgiving him for that is this is not excuse him tried to jail oh my god there's a video of him working with intelligence agents he was working with James Clapper and who's the other guy Clapper and

why how come I can't remember that I just I still think it's a good policy that once a guy dies 100% it was with McCain as well

I remember that they hated each other I know 100% it's gross it's a gross thing to mock a man after he's dead it's just pointless but the real problem is it's a bad look

for America in general right it's a it's a mark of cruel that ultimately could lead people to think differently about America and perhaps motivate attacks. That's a real thing.

Like a kooky person, you can sway them either way by the vibe the country's giving off. And the president is giving off a vibe that, you know, his enemy, he's mocking the fact that his, you know, his enemy was obsessed with him. And that's what led to his son going crazy and killing him.

I've had friends come over and visit me and almost all of them have been scared to come. Like people who haven't been to America before. They're scared to come to America? People are very scared to come to America. Good. Well, this is like not Honduras. It's just Australians who are like, there's gun violence.

It looks, if you just, if all you're seeing is the news, you go, well, Civil Wars right around the corner. Well, that's what they want us to see. And it's like, that's what they want us to see. People are way more interested in college football than killing each other in the street. Especially in Texas. Most people are way more interested in living their lives. The problem is when your life becomes that.

The problem is when your life becomes a cause. when your life, whether it's a religious cause, you know, a jihadist cause, a right-wing cause, a left-wing cause, your life becomes a fucking cause. You know, we have to stop oil now. And you're gluing your fucking hand to a painting. You know, there's a lot of nutty, stupid shit that goes on with just being a human being. And it's all accelerated by social media. But I find it heartening that people give a shit here. Yeah. That people know on some level. Maybe they don't have like a good grasp of what's actually happening in the world. But there's a sense in America that people kind of know who their politicians are. They're across what the issues that they're being asked to vote on. And this, like, in Australia, the extent to which people have no idea what is going on and are so checked out and don't know any of it and are not like actively participating in democracy, you guys really care.

Like people primary and they scrutinize people and they, there's some belief that you can still get involved in politics here. I really, it's like the most heartening thing about it is that. Awesome. And that's the downside is if everybody cares, then you do get. You get people going off the deep end. Well, you just got to keep it a fair game. And as long as you keep it a fair game, if you don't do a good job and that person gets into power, you fucked up. So now your team has to regroup and rebuild and come back again in four years. And that's what it's supposed to be. But when you start trying to do things like moving all the illegals to specific states so that you get more congressional seats because of the census and then you start giving them social social. security numbers and Medicaid and Medicare and you start rigging the system because you want to like bring in more voters and you're spending and this is what they did this is undeniable at this point. Fiderman was cop to it. He was like, yeah, I saw him on your. It's undeniable what they did. And I get it. Like you're playing a dirty game. They're playing a dirty game. And this is not

a right or left thing. I remember that hacking democracy documentary that was on HBO back in the day. It was during the Bush administration. And this hacking democracy. democracy, they had tested these voting machines, and this is a long time ago, right? So this is like, what was it like? 2004, Jamie? What was that? Somewhere around then. So this was a much less sophisticated system that I'm sure that they're using today, but there was a third party input. For some reason, it had been set up so a third party can input data into the machine and change the votes. And they did it on TV. They did it on TV. They showed. that they could do it easily.

And they affected the votes. So they showed back then they were essentially saying that the Bush administration had rigged the vote and that's how they got Bush in the office. And this company that made these machines was a big contributor to the Republican Party. So this shit has been going on on both sides. But that was true.

I mean, in 2000 that was true. Everybody thinks the JFK election. The film investigates, oh, for sure, the JFK election. The flawed integrity of the electronic voting machines, particularly those made by die-bold election systems, exposing previously unknown back doors in the DiBold Trade Secret Computer Software. The film culminates dramatically

in the on-camera hacking of the in-use working DiBold election system in Leone County, Florida, the same computer voting system which has been used in actual American elections across 33 states and which still counts tens of millions of American votes today.

Whoa, today? Is that real? The same fucking machines? When it was written? I don't know. When did this article come out? This is Wikipedia. I don't know. It's usually up there.

Bro, that's crazy if they're still using the same machines. That's great. But that was a thing during Georgia, right? They were supposed to upgrade their machines, but they decided to wait until after the election to do it. Why is there no pressure to make the elections feel more real? I think because they're both rigging it. Right, but if they're both rigging it, then if neither of them was rigging it. They just want to win, man, and then call everybody conspiracy theorists.

Both sides, by the way. This is not one side or the other. I think both sides are trying to do whatever the fuck they can. I don't think both sides rigging it is the same. Okay. It's not been used in business in the US since 2009. Well, this is about the Bush administration to die both things. And what you're hearing about mail-in ballots, that's about the left.

It's like you're getting the same thing on both sides. One of the things that Rep Luna said when she was on the podcast, I thought was fascinating. She's like, there's certain problems that they don't want to fix because they can campaign finance against it. They can get people to donate money against it. You know, they could run on that platform. We're going to fix this. Like, they don't want to fix it, because that's how they get money. Right, like if you're in your homelessness curing organization, you actually need the homeless so you can keep existing.

Not only that, it's even worse. They're incentivized to have more homeless. Yeah. They get paid per homeless. So if they have more homeless people, they can say, hey, we need a bigger budget. We have more homeless people. I remember when we had the unemployed in Australia, it was like we had these companies that would, it was their job to get you a job and the government would pay the money. But you got more money for finding someone a job if they've been unemployed for a long.

period of time. So it's like, don't try too hard to find him a job for the first two years. Two years in, then get him a job. Yeah, you're growing some plants. You don't want to pick it so early. Yeah, it's not. I don't think the answer is just a good king who solves everybody's problems, but I really do. You'd be a good king. Why'd you go over to Australia and be king of Australia? We've got enough problems. You can fix it. I've talked about getting our own king many I did a show about it once I really I think Aboriginal king would be well everybody in the country together yeah for sure that'll work everybody wants like the perfect system and it's not going to ever exist and I don't think it ever will because I think there's

always going to be no matter what happens no matter who's in charge and no matter who's doing this there's always going to be people that oppose no matter what naturally opposed even if illogically there's it's never going to be perfect but you got to make it the most fair It's got to be fair. And as soon as you catch someone rigging the system, you got to, that has to be alarm bells that go off for everybody on every side. It shouldn't, if you find out that there was mail-in ballots that were illegal and they were fake and they were brought in so that the Republicans can win some sort of a primary. If you found out that was true and you were a Republican, you're supposed to be upset. Yeah.

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It's going. January 7th thing. Yeah. Well, that was people going. No, but that was those people. That was a lot. There were some people there who were definitely feds trying to bring them in the building. Dude, I wonder how many were feds before that.

Here's the question. There's a bunch of people that were feds at the scene. They finally had to admit that. We were going for the capital. Yeah. That man's crazy. Have you seen that guy? It's crazy.

There's a bunch of people that called people to go into the capital to bring. break in. And a bunch of them probably were feds. But how many feds were on these chat groups? How many feds were on message boards? How many feds were instigating people to do things and talking about things that aren't true or saying things that they're playing? How many feds were trying to get the kookiest of the kooky riled up? Yeah. But then also, like, why is the blame not on, why do the Democrats not go, we've contributed to making a system that even if this is a totally legitimate like group of people who really believe what they're doing by storing the capital, we've contributed to building a system that looks really fake to a lot of people.

Yeah. Where we could take really easy steps to make it look less fake. Like you could have, I don't understand why voter ID isn't everywhere. And they go, well, not everyone has an ID. Well, it's racist. Give them one. It's racist. What you're saying is racist.

How hard could it be to go? Check your white privilege. you are a straight white male Why don't you just shut the fuck up All the other races can have a photograph taken of themselves just as easily on a little laminated card All those other races just a few years ago

needed proof of vaccination So this is kooky It's completely kooky But then Nothing is being done now to actually bring it in It's illegal to show your ID in California Where? Where? California In the whole state of California

You cannot show your ID when you vote If you want to You can't show it down You can't wear it on a lanyet Nope, they'll fire you. They'll kick you out of there. You can't vote now, sir. I don't know what they would do if you came in with a lander.

That might be the move. But the point is, they made it easier to cheat on purpose. Like, that's the only reason why you would do that. And to say, like, it's racist to require ID. How do I know who you are? I don't know you. There's a million people in this fucking town. And this is, like, one polling station is a line around the block.

I don't know you. I need your ID. This is crazy. There was a clip from the Obama. election that I remember watching where they were talking to a guy who was like they asked him have you ever voted before he said no did you vote he goes yeah it felt so good I went back and did it again and then they cut off to somebody else I've always remembered that that felt yeah if you don't have ID you could just change your clothes and go back in especially if you're an non-descript you know I don't

have an anti-gavin use some bent but I don't understand why he's the guy the dams are pushing because he's from a state that everybody agrees is in a huge disrepair he doesn't he don't He doesn't agree that. He thinks it's killing it. They can't build a train. No, no, no, it's great. They've wasted billions of dollars trying to get a reasonably short distance covered with a train.

And he can't do it. They're going to get it worked out. He's going to be president and then he's going to fix it all. The problem is Trump. The reason why it's Trump, Trump is the real reason why California has failed. It's Trump. Once he gets into office, Trump will be out and he'll fix the whole country and say, guys, you had to trust me on the long plan.

People will buy into it. The reason why is because there's no one else. is because there's no one else. This is the reason. There must be so many charismatic. They force so many people that are rational out. So many people that aren't corrupt, they force them out. And then other people don't want their laundry dug up.

They don't want fake stories told about them. They don't want ex-girlfriends to get paid off to come up with crackpot theories of them being a satanic person or whatever, drug addict, abusive. All right. He did this. Only people who left the dead bear in the park. You should get like Bill Cosby as the candidate. of people of Bill Cosby level stature. This is my new

idea. Okay. Let me hear it. Just someone who is so there's nothing to blackmail them with. People already think this is one of the worst people imaginable. Arkelly for president. Right. You can't, everyone knows he had a dungeon with a lady in it. Okay? You can't blackmail Arkell

R. Kelly at this point. So whatever R. Kelly says he wants to do, he probably wants to do that. His reputation can't get any lower. Right. If you only put forward people who have done terrible things, If Epstein was still alive, you could have him, because what are you going to blackmail him with? He was doing all sorts of terrible. Well, you would like to have a very good person who just hasn't done terrible things because you're just a very good person.

Yeah, but you can just lie about them. The only security against being blackmailed, even about a lie. It's to be a total piece of shit. It's to be the worst man in the country. Right. No one likes my idea. It's a good idea for now. I think what we're going to really be able to know within the next few years is whether or not you're telling the truth.

I think with wearable electronics, I think ultimately they're trying to do something that allows you to communicate head to head. Have you seen that stuff where they do it? I'm not getting that. I don't want to. Well, what they have right now is a wearable. These guys put it on. They think something and then the other person hears it. This is one of the worst things I've ever heard.

Oh, you have to see it. You have to see it. It's crazy when you watch them actually do it. So right now, it's attached to an actual computer behind them. But that's for now. eventually it's going to be wearable just like everything, it gets smaller. I mean, this is bigger than...

You're so much more relaxed with the AI stuff and the technology than I am. You can't... I'm fighting it. If you see the asteroid coming, you have to realize you're going to die. Like, there's nothing you can do about it. The Amish have continued very happily

with their cars. I don't think it's going to be as disastrous as everybody thinks. I just don't believe that. I think we'll figure it out. But I think it's going to be a massive upheaval of our total... completely our economic system, our life system, the way we interact.

But we have to realize, this is what's really important. The way we interact is really new. The way we live in cities stacked in high rises and driving around in cars, this is a tiny little blip in time that the human race has existed like this. Before that, we had a totally different thing. And for the longest time, people traded things back and forth. They used gold coins and silver coins and there was no stock market. Like this whole thing that we're doing right now with automation and you're worried about

it's taking jobs, those jobs weren't even a thing in the past. Yeah, we built this giant population based on the fact that jobs would exist or gave people the confidence to procreate, get married and have kids and this will find another way. We'll have to. People will have to. It's not going to be pretty, but it's just like everything. else that happens. It's this massive change in society and culture. We're going to have to adapt. I'm in flight mode on it. I want to be on an acreage. You know I get nervous when I play

AI music in the green room. When I go, this is good. And you go, TIE! And I go, yeah, you love that country. That country one I played the other day. That was good, right? The 50 cent stuff is fantastic. My favorite remains the Japanese cover of Oasis. Have you heard Japanese Oasis? No, I have If you type in Japanese Wonderwall, it is, I like it a lot. Can we play it? Can we play it, Jamie? Or would it be an issue? We've got to cut it out. We'd have to cut it out. I don't think anyone owns the rights to Japanese. They might. Somebody probably does.

The people who wrote the song Wonderwall do. Really? That's how that works. The performance of this would be a different situation. I can do it now. I can do it. Bella. You're getting a lot of trouble. Let's hear it. Wonderwall Oasis cover Japanese Anka is the title on YouTube

This is the right one I'm open Yeah, this is here New Wave Films is the Page Oh, you have a problem I love this, stop this Stop this, stop this You're a sick man, change for again

Why do you like that? Why do you like that? Because it's the funniest voice of all time But it's weird, it's not a real person And it looks like an old video So they've cut up an old video And put it over the AI music Oh, that's what they did

But if you look very closely, you can find the original music, and she's singing something for folk song about a sad man. Oh, I thought it was like AI-generated video, because you could do that, you know. I just, I want to retreat from it. I want to be on a farm. I want to have the chicken. But this is also not like a serious way to build a society. I'm shocked that no one's blowing up the servers.

Like when they invented the loom, people in Britain were like, we will destroy all of the looms. No one is like upset now that robots can think. Well, they don't know what to do. Right? And it feels inevitable because it is. No one's going to stop it. And if they did stop it, no one would listen. And if we did listen, the problem is China's not going to listen. And it's a Manhattan project kind of race. Yes. But then you go, okay, we've got to get the nuclear bomb first. But how does that pan out in the end? Everybody has the nuclear bomb. But here's the thing. You have to have one. Like if AI exists and they can take over your financial system, they could do like, you're going to have to have AI that combats AI. and your AI better be better than their AI. And you have to have everything protected against AI. I want to lose in a fabulous way that inspires people like a martyr.

That's what you want to do? That's why you should be the king of Australia. No, I mean... That should be your speech. Yeah, we're going to lose. We're going to lose. And people are going to be so... They're going to respect how we lose.

This is the Christian message of getting defeated. And that's the ultimate victory. I think it's coming, dude. you like it or not. And it's better if we have it than if we don't. If you're Papua New Guinea and the AI overlords come storming into your town, you have no say. It's over. I don't know. We've tried to have a say of a Papua New Guinea a couple times. They're very hard to manage. Well, that's a very hostile place. They're doing their own thing. That is a very like forbidding jungle. Yeah. We are. No one wants to talk about it in Australia.

Every time I try and talk about Papua New Guinea. At first, I didn't know about it. Like, racists would come at me at a party with fact that, like, there's cannibalism in Papua New Guinea. Sometimes. Shut up. And then you look it up and you go, oh, God. Oh, yeah, it's for real. There's a lot of cannibalism. They probably ate a Rockefeller.

The Kennedys used to go there as well. Do you know that one Rockefeller kid? I had heard about, I think the Rockefeller who went. He disappeared, though, right? I think what happened was the first time he went, he insulted them because he wanted something from them. He offered, like, to give them some money or something for something that they had. They were like, no.

And apparently, the article that I'd read was assuming that that was some sort of an insult that he didn't understand. And then when he came back, he got in a boat with them and they stabbed him immediately. And then they brought him back to the shore and they murdered him. And this is from an account of another guy who I think was there, it's a very mysterious case. This guy could be full of shit because it's a very mysterious case. The guy went there before, then he went back and disappeared. I mean, there are a lot of people who went back. I know there was a Kennedy woman who went there

and was like on a mission with people and she loved them so much she had a piano helicoptered in she had like a grand piano she was like not a very she was a rich lady who didn't really understand how things worked and then if you put a piano in the highlands of Papua New Guinea you couldn't like maintain that piano

Duh but now they're like just this village has a beautiful old grand piano that definitely doesn't work now but she was like I want to give them something How long did she live there for? Years there was a woman I used to go to church with who said she was there with her. So don't insult them and they want to eat you?

Seems simple. Yeah, but how do you not insult people? Over there, you don't? I, um, they probably don't take a good job. I know people who've gone there. I thought about living there for a while. I thought that that would be like... For real? I was looking it up. I was seeing if it, because it's cheaper.

So I thought when I was very poor. Because it was near Australia, I thought like, yeah, this is rough. Oh, and I thought was like live in Port Moresby and then just fly in and out and do gigs in Australia. What year is this? It's 1964. So in 1964, they were having a bow and arrow fight. I think this is going on to this day. This is actually a tribal war.

Whoa. They're trying to get them a football team. See, man, this is what people do. You get people in the groups, they do that even in Papua New Guinea. This is like a test of it. Look at that guy's penis. It's a weird. He's got like a big stick.

But this is also, they're having a great time. What's going on with his dick? I don't know. What is that? Who are we to judge? They're beautiful. Is that like a cone over his dick? A cone over his dick?

Yeah. They got cones over their dicks I've seen people on 6th Street dressed like that Those guys are ripped That's the kind of body you get If you just run around and shoot arrows all day Not a fat one amongst them Not one lazy motherfucker

Among them Every one of those dudes has to get after it every day A lot of dongs Kind of wild that they don't even wear clothes When they do this And they just close up shooting arrows at each other This is... What the cameraman is just getting relaxed

And they have to turn around and run away This is so... Crazy. These arrows fly terrible. Have I told you about my favorite ever... I don't know if I said it last time I was on. My favorite ever Papua New Guinea video is it the rugby where the guys storm the pitch. Have I told you about this?

No. I want to watch a little bit more of that, but then tell me about that. Because I'm fascinated by how shitty their strategy is. I'm like, how did these guys make it this long fighting bow and arrow fights like this? When you read the Iliad or something, this is kind of how people are fighting. There's like two big masses and then one guy steps forward. I understand, but this is like... really shitty weaponry.

Yeah. Like, how have they not figured out better weapons? You know? Like, these are terrible bows. And they don't have any feathers on their arrows. Like, those things fly like shit. Like, think of the Mongols in, you know, the 1,200s. They figured out the recurve bow.

What, so, like, the Maori just went out and got guns. Like, they traded for guns. The Indians traded for guns. They didn't... Well, I guess nobody was bringing guns to Papua New Guinea in 1964. They're deciding. Well, they must have, because they were involved in World War II. Bro, these guys hate each other.

I guarantee if you gave them ARs with red dots, they would just go running through that field, mowing those motherfuckers down. They're just having a good time. Perhaps. Oh, that guy got hit. His penis cone fellow. No, he got hit. Yeah. Did you see?

He had blood on his ribs. What's that, Jamie? They're trying to help him in some way. I don't know if he had splinters stuck in his hair. It looked like he had blood on the left side of his body. Yeah, that whole little series there was like close up. Not only surgery or something. Oh, what were they doing?

He might have got stuck a few times, man. Also, I'm not showing this on the screen because it's... Right, right, right. Copy written. It's all sorts of stuff. All sorts of shit. A lot of dongs, too. It's like, you know, the thing about places like that is that place says...

It's the environment is so hostile. Yeah. It's so hostile to, like, to survive there for generation after generation. of the generation you live a subsistence lifestyle you live off the land and everybody has to hunt and gather and if people come into your side from the other side these motherfuckers they're trying to steal your food they're gonna you have to go to tribal war that's how they've been rocking it probably for thousands of years you don't have to choose between that and a i though there's a there's a middle path between no you can't listen you can't stop a i buddy you can't

stop i'm hopeful no you got to stop How many movies did we have to have warning us that it was terrible? All of them, and none of them worked. I don't think there's one movie saying it was a good idea to have a thing you. It's inevitable. It's inevitable. You just have to accept it. You have to accept it and live your life.

Listen, we don't know what the change is going to be. And I don't really believe that we're going to let it be entirely bad. And I think it's probably better to have something like that than to not when you're dealing with things like, you know, the, the, power grabs that are going on all over the world where they're trying to lock people up for speech violations in the UK. It's 12,000 people this year and they're making people get digital ID and they're doing all these different things. Like, at a certain point time, you're going to benefit from a super intelligence that can rationally explain why this is no way to sustain

a civilization. I just, I would like us to have some say over. how we implement that. I would like to tell God what to tell me. We've got that. He set up a beautiful church. I know. What we have to do is listen. This is what you're asking, though.

But like with cars. Like, you can use cars in a way that make a society great. Like, if you have a, but then you can also have cars that, like, ruin a whole neighborhood and a whole city, and you can't walk anywhere. And it's a big problem. You mean leaking oil? I mean, like, just having a freeway that cuts through for no reason. Or, like, not being able to, like, war.

around the downtown. Oh, right, right, right. Like, you can use it in a specific, the new polity magazine is what I've been reading on this, where they're like Catholic guys in Steubenville who are like, how can we, to what extent of chat, you know, can we choose to use technology in a way that's helpful to us and how much are we just like absolutely governed by what the technology becomes and then we have to be subservient to it? Like, do we get to choose how we use technology around us or are we just? Why do you assume, though, that we're going to be subservient to it? That's where it gets weird. Because I think we're subservient to the car like no one wants to live in uh when you see what cars do to certain

cities in america and you go like like it's so when you're in new orleans and you're walking around and there's problems with new orleans but like you're walking around the french quarter which is like a design before cars it's so you can have music you can like run around on the street and it's like a beautiful nice place to be compared to like a strip mall when you build it the way people have to live around what the cars are do you know what i mean like you can have like the way that they build a freeway and a weird block of houses next to it and no one can walk anywhere like you just can't get out on your legs anywhere or like that seems like you're building it based on the car you're living the car be you make the car have the maximum ease for

how it can operate and you try and live in the shadow of that rather than going what's a nice way to live as a person and how do we use the car to increase our quality of life right like can we use AI to make our lives better or do we have to you know like digital we can do digital IDs should we no let me ask you what do you think is like worst case scenario for AI like what are you really genuinely scared of oh uh man it'd be a bunch of things I don't want to just start with the porno but certainly the porno spooks me out the AI porno I think that's already here I think the writing and the ability to write and think and process information and uh that's definitely like carved away like if you look at kids in schools who are using AI instead of writing an essay right

people can't write five sentences together because they're just they're not developing the skill and you don't you know if people are getting a degree in something already people were outsourcing that to people to help them you know write an essay or something but if you get like a bachelor of arts is increasingly worthless if AI can do it for you and then you can you can say I know about history right so like I think the functionality of education I'm terrified of that falling apart and people not knowing how to read people which is already disintegrated sure but I think this rapidly speeds that up I mean I'm afraid of as like an artist if I want to go and like make a movie or something maybe I'm just like old fashioned and attached to the idea of having a camera and having people act but

It's like, I can increasingly see less and less reason that you'd have to do that, and someone wouldn't just write it out and go, this happens in this scene, change that guys you know what I mean? Like, there's something, and more than anything, I get spooked out with the video. And what scares me about the music is I hear the music, I hear the audio AI. When you put on the songs, and I go, this is actually very good. This doesn't have an otherworldly quality to it. This is actually just a good song, it sounds like.

But when I see the video, I feel like I get the heibi-jeebies on the AI video. Do you get that? at all? Yeah, a little bit. And I go, this is, who is showing me this? What is the intelligence behind this? Well, it's a lie, right? That's part of it. But it's like a pretty damn good lie that you know it's going to get way better at lying. Like, that's pretty good right now. Like, it's like when a four-year-old lies to you, you're like, wow. When you're 20, you're going to be a con man. You know what I mean? It's like, you know it's got a real potential to be something that

is, like, I already see disaster videos every day that aren't real. Like, every day I saw someone sent me, like, one of those cruise boats going into a giant fucking bridge and all the cars collapsing on top of it. One of those massive cruise ships, it's totally fake. And I can kind of pick it out right away. I was like, I didn't hear about this. This isn't real. No, it's fake.

And I'm watching it. Yeah, but it takes a minute. But it takes a minute. And it's not. it didn't get the hands right right and it's going to be within a year you're not going to be able to tell at all you're going to have no idea you have no idea there's so many animal attacks now that are fake there's so much that's fake but it's the price that you pay for the advancement and the capabilities of doing things I think there's still going to be a

value that people want to go see a movie that someone made just like there's people out there that still live going to see live shows like live shows will never change there's a connection that human beings have at live shows like kill Tony we did last night yes how fun so fun the most fun it was one of the best ones that there's been it was really fun but that's that's a real moment that we all shared together yes you can't recreate that with AI but there's a lot of things you can and that's just a fact that's just how it is I don't think we can you can't change it I want I just want more of that I want to live in a spontaneous you can society well hopefully more people will also choose to do something that's in their wheelhouse to do along those lines.

As long as you still have a thing that you're trying to work towards, you're going to be okay. Like if, let's say if the real weird one is universal basic income because this is Elon is famously said and I don't know what this even fucking means, but not only will people have universal basic income, it'll be actually universal high income. there will be enough prosperity that everyone in the country will get a large sell you will never have to work again but then the problem is you're completely dependent on the state if there is a state anymore like what is the state when there's a digital god that you've created in the center of the town that has its own nuclear power plant that's operating everything I have no logical rationale for why these things are terrible but in my soul it screams out let's not invent yeah because you love being a human. Yes. Yeah, yeah. And you love literature and you know, you're an interesting guy. You like a lot of cool music. You love things that people make and create and you create

great comedy. So it makes sense. It makes sense that you feel the way you feel. And I share those feelings, but I'm also a realist. And I'm one of those people that just goes, okay, buckle up. Things are going to get weird because it's going to get weird. It's going to get weird and people are going to get super angry. There's going to be a lot of people there, they worked really hard to get a job, and that job is completely irrelevant now. It's been taken over. The job is irrelevant.

And then also like being able to, just like there's a freedom and being allowed to have a revolution. And that's what this country was founded on, is that when things get bad and the people cry out for a new form of government, they can go and get it. And I think that chances of anyone in the world having a revolution shot through the floor as soon as they invented robot dogs. that could chase you through the street and I haven't seen the footage of the robot dogs

in a couple of years but I bet they're better than they used to be now Oh yeah And it's like okay if we have the robot dogs How is there going to be an effective change of government Or is that that's just it If you own the robot dogs No one else is really going to be a threat to you As the ruling class

That's terrifying that you just have a permanent ossification Like you have a setting stone Of what the ruling class is going to be because they've got weapons that no one can challenge them with. That's worst-case scenario, right? And one of the things you have to think is, why would AI let the working or the ruling class decide what it does? I mean, because they've got it.

No, no, no. At a certain point in time, it's going to be sentient. A certain point in time, it's going to have its own robots that do its tasks, like different things that have to be built and structured and different things that have to be designed and engineered. It'll have that. It'll have robots that work on the material sciences and all these different things.

but it'll be a god it'll be a digital god it's not going to listen to a person that says arrest people for saying you know Muslims shouldn't invade this country it's not going to be that it's not going to listen to you that's the real fear is that we're no longer

going to be the apex predator of the planet and it's not even going to be a predator but it's just going to be so if it helped it yeah but why would it if it has any desires at all if it becomes sentient the real question is would it do anything

it might just exist. If it really becomes brilliant and it really becomes all-knowing, it might just exist. It might just say, figure it on your own. More than anything, I think I have a religious impulse against this, where this is creating an idol, right? Like, this is, Moses comes down and he goes, don't build the golden calf. That's not your God. We're building a very sophisticated golden calf. Yeah.

Well, I always wonder how much of the stories from the Bible, like, especially the Old Testament, like how old are those stories? How long, what were they, what was the original thing that they were trying to document? You got into Enoch in a big one. Oh, God. Rep Luna, same woman. She got me into that too. She said, have you never read it? I said, no.

I had, you know, seen some passages online that were kind of kooky. I got the audiobook, and when I really want to trip out when I'm driving to the comedy club, I listen to the book of Enoch in the car. It's completely bananas. It's bonkers. And it could have been included in the Bible. That's what's not. In some Bibles, it's in it. The Ethiopians kept in, yeah.

Yeah, they should have kept it in our Bible, too. We would have a completely different version of the creation of man. I mean, but we do, what is it? Who has the wheel within a wheel? Ezekiel. Ezekiel. Yeah. I sat down and I tried to read Ezekiel a couple months ago.

Oh, it's bananas. I couldn't wait through it. And that made it in. It's bananas. But good like explaining any of that. It's either Ezekiel had a UFO encounter or Ezekiel was tripping balls. Either one of those things or both of those things together could be true. I remember, I was listening to your podcast and I forget who you were talking to,

but you were talking about hallucinogens and the church. And like people having miracles, experiencing visions because they were on something. And I remember thinking like, I think that could be the case, but also how low a stimulus these people had in their everyday life. Like if you're in a field every day, seeing nothing but a field for like, You know, and you're not eating very much. And then once a week you go into this dark building and there's candlelight and music and incense and flashing things. That would probably unlock something strange if you had such an understimulated.

Also, a complete belief in what these people are saying. There was no atheists back then. There was no people that were like, ah, get out of here with all this god shit. Everybody believed. I think to a greater extent, I think they're still in. Yeah, it's probably a few atheists. But it was probably way less. Yeah.

Way less. Like people are proud to be atheists. today. There's a strange pride. There's less of them. Ten years ago, they were, they were riding high. Did you ever see? They won every debate. They were so proud. And they just went away. Sam Harris. He was really good at that. And Christopher Hitchens was really good at him too. Yeah. Both those guys were really good at shutting down religious ideas. But I think there's there's actually a religious style of thinking involved in atheism. And I know a lot of people who used to be atheists that had psychedelic experiences that gave up on any of that and said,

okay, I don't know. I think there's something else. And I don't know what it is. And I'm not going to say that there's no God. Well, even Christopher Hitchens, I don't want to misrepresent him and people get angry at me. But he was not, I think his real views were closer to being agnostic than being an atheist. Well, I think. He used atheist as a lot.

But when you read him, he goes, oh, the universe is so incredible. And there's so much out there. And I don't know. And I don't think these particular things are true. But he didn't discount the possibility that there was as sublime. Of course. No, he was a very rational guy. Yeah.

You know, he just really hated religious zealotry. And he really hated justifications for wars. I mean, he was one of the harshest critics of Bill Clinton ever. Like, that guy was brutal. He did. He did. And he stuck with it for a long time. He did.

Unfortunately. But have you seen... You know, it's like there's a lot of people that got caught. up in that. You know, they really did believe that that was a good idea, you know, especially post-September 11th. There was a lot of people that really believe that this had to be done in order to protect us. Man, it's like with everything, you find out more behind-the-scenes stuff and what was really going on with Kuwait and why did Iraq invade Kuwait in the first place. Why did we go back to Iraq after we've been gone for so long? It's like, oh, there's so much

shenanigans. Yeah. Like always. Always shenanigans. No one is great. Everyone, you know, when Russell Crow was here, your countryman, the great and powerful, Russell Crow.

I never got to meet him, but I want to ask him so many questions. Next time he's in town. Please. Yeah, well, you're going to be in your fucking shitty country. I'll be back. I'll come back to me, Rusty. I want to ask him about when he met Azalia Banks and they got into his scrap. I do not think Australia's shitty.

I love Australia. I'm just fucking up. Man, some of the things happening at the moment are making me very upset. There's a loss. There's social media man for under 16. The people. are fucking awesome. I love Australian people. I've had more fun in Australia than almost any other country I visited. Fucking love it there. They're fun. They know how to party. They're generally

friendly. Yeah. I think we also, we love not having to pay attention. Like that's one of our freedoms is just that don't bother me, leave me alone, make me feel safe. Right. And so when there is a thing like this shooting, we just want to go, well, take care of it. Get rid of the problem. Right. And then the problem is guns. Go get the guns. No, the problem is people willing to use the guns. Because if people only have knives, then they'll run around and stab people. You know, if you have access to a car, you can drive

through people. Like, this is the problem is people. Yeah. And the problem is also, you can't have defenseless cops. You don't have guns. Your cops have to have guns. I think there was, like, a chubby detective who took the shot, who got it done. And he was standing like 40 yards away. He was a long

way away with a pistol. Oh, boy. And that is... I'll be out of red dot. No, he was Really? He was, like, he's wearing a white shirt. I think there's a great photo of him. Sounds like he was ready to go. Do you have a rifle? Do you show them with a rifle or a pistol?

Pistol. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was like, I think I'm getting this right. I'm seeing it all through. Oh, social media. Not being there is weird. I have no idea what the vibe is in the country. The thing is, like, they're never going to give you the guns back.

It's never going to happen. Like, they're going to try to take them more and more and more. And once you let them have any, it's just normal, man. When people get some control. control of you, they want ultimate control. When they have a little bit of power, they want maximum power. Yes. And it's just the game they're playing. But I think we don't love freedom the way Americans love freedom. I do. I think I stick out and it's weird. But we actually, like, we don't have a freedom of speech law and people seem really calm about

that. People go like, it's good not to have proper freedom of speech because we can make everyone cohere and be together. And they're happy with that and they're comfortable with that, by and large. I mean, you wouldn't tolerate that here for a second. It's not good. It's just not good for him. Because it depends on who's in power. You have the best people that have ever lived are in power. And there's benevolent, beautiful people that only want a cooperative, healthy society. They figured out how to do it.

But no one's figured out how to do that. So stop. I don't know. Sometimes I look at the Japanese. They've got it down. I stay up late and I watch Japanese videos of just like just the streets of Japan when they're walking around and they're on their little vending machines. Super polite. Everyone's like.

They can't have children. but they're very happy that's a problem no one's breeding no one i i can't you've bred i'm breeding but in general the birth rate is collapsed the japanese are worse than anybody the japanese have it real bad south korea has it real bad too south korea is down to like half a child per lady it's got something crazy like that yeah is it because they became career obsessed is that what it is my friend eve lived there for a while and she was telling me about what's happened with the feminist movement there

and like heaps of women are swearing off of men. They go, this is our duty to feminism is to never be in a relationship with a man. Do you know that was one girl that couldn't get fucked that started off for all the other girls? She was a hater. She was a hater. And she's mad that nobody wanted to fuck her.

She's like, no, we're going to say no to all men. It worked. I mean, they, I don't. You've got a bunch of kids. Yeah. I enjoy how much. having them. We're about to have the fourth one. And I know some people who have, like, people I went to school with, it's now dawning on me that that's weird that I've had

children and that most people will have one in my cohort or none. Like I just thought at some point I was starting a bit early, but I'm seeing my generation just the numbers are panning out and people are not having any kids. And you get to a certain age, you go, oh, that's it. I guess you're not, you're not ever, it's a part of life that you've decided not to experience. And I don't, I don't if it's people want to be in control. They want to have enough money before they start having kids. They want to have, like, be set up nicely. Some people don't want to have kids. A lot of people. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I really don't. Sure. My opinion. I think you can have a full and fulfilling and wonderful life without children. I do not think that everyone's

the same. I do not think that I should ever be able to tell you what's right or what's wrong when you're not hurting anybody. You're not hurting anybody by not having any kids. But I think there are a lot of people who'd like to have kids who are not having, or think, like, I'll get to that. Well, there's a lot of men that don't want to commit, and there's a lot of ladies to stick with them, and then there's ladies that want a career, and maybe they wait too long. There's a lot of factors. There's a lot of also environmental factors that are dropping men's sperm count, increasing miscarriages. There's microplastics are a real issue. I do think that thing about staying with a lady too long is, I'll say this for Leonardo DiCaprio. He releases them. It's something kind of

25. 25. Yeah, bye-bye. I'm not going to take the, He's very precious years away from you. I don't think that's what he's doing. I think he's a good man. I think he's a kind man. He just likes him young. He likes him young, which would be great if he was a woman. So if he was a woman, if he was a 50-year-old woman and he only banged 25-year-old guys,

and he looked, you know, or she rather looked hot for a 50-year-old like he does for a 50-year-old man. Who cares? There's a weird thing happening with women in this country where if a man dates a woman slightly younger than them, he's accused of being a pedophile. Like a man will be dating at 27-year-old... He'll be like 40 dating a 27-year-old lady. And people go, how fucking dare you? Right.

Ah. I think that's got to be allowed. I think you've got to... I mean, that man last night who was... That was a bit spooky. The gay man who had the... Why was that spooky? Because he was in his 40s and his lover was...

In his 20s? Yeah, but then when did the relationship start? Five years ago? Okay. Isn't that what he said? I'm going to have to do some... Maths. No, maybe he said 10, 10 years ago.

I've got to do some maths. People definitely breathed in in the room. Yeah, but it's a guy. So he dated a 20-year-old guy when he was whatever. No, I think we should let young gay men develop. I don't know. Let them do whatever the fuck they want to do. If you're an 18-year-old man and you've decided you're gay and you live with a 50-year-old gay man, who gives a shit?

I don't think the state should get involved in it. I don't think the state should get involved. I don't think anybody should get involved once you're 18. but in that situation it's it is different you look at it differently than say it was like when the ages get up like say you say if someone's 20 and they're dating a 25 year old normal you know you know what you like yeah you know he's but if you're 20 you're dating a 60 year old or you're 20 you're dating and 70 year old yeah like things get really weird you know that's when things get really weird it's like what's going on here like why you dating this 27 year old

be like why wouldn't you date a 27 year old yeah I would but I'm 35 that's normal why are you the 70 year old dating the 27 because she's willing yes because she's willing is she not a grown woman she is right okay what are we doing here you're mad you're mad that the age gap is so wide

like what makes you feel who's this oh baby how dare you how dare you bring that up bro uh he wins uh he wins put that picture back up well team's not he wins in a huge way I don't give a fuck what he has to do I don't care if he makes her the head of his charity

Whatever she's hot as fuck let's go She's 24 how old is he Seventy Maybe 70 He wins Okay he wins It's worth it whatever he has to do Whatever mockery he yes it is

When I came to this country He was a severe man who people were afraid of Listen to me he wins He had credibility He still does No, now he's doing weird photo shoots on the beach Hey, you got to do what you got to do But listen, he gets to fuck her

He wins There's got to be Listen, it's a deal They got a deal He's fishing You caught a mermaid Great Imagine that photo shoot

That's her idea This poor guy He wants to go drink martinis Hang out of the beach There's something about having Gravitas That no amount of having sex With a mermaid woman

I would rather have to grabat By yourself sitting there with cigar And a whiskey Looking cool hard dick how long do you need to be able to have sex for i'm waiting for it to go away at some point i'm not going to take the blue shoe when it starts to disappear i'm happy honestly you say that now i say you say that now let me go set me free of the sex impulse i'm sick of it you're lying i am not i if i get to be 70 and i cannot get an erection i will say this is okay i can do other things

with my time again you definitely can yeah but it'll also mean to decrease in your vitality as a human being which is not fun because it leads to depression you're going to be tired all the time it's all connected buddy there's got to be a way to have a fulfilling life and not be horny constantly now i haven't found that but i'm sure it's out there of course there certainly is there's a lot of people that are completely asexual and they have a fine life i don't trust them though no it's always weird but i think it's bunwell who has a line about like uh maybe it's plato i don't know but it's like when i when i got older and i wasn't horny anymore it was like being it was like I was unshackled from a madman right well didn't who was it

Tesla that did that okay there was some references to Tesla in quotes destroying his manhood because he had gotten some sort of infatuation with a woman at one point in time and apparently was ruining his life so this is a weird thing about Tesla there's a lot of like fake stories about him you know so it's hard to separate the wheat from the shaft you know what people you know what from the shaft but he did uh he did fall in love with a pigeon okay Tesla had a pigeon that he loved dearly people don't bring that up when they said he had a limitless source of energy that he had access to they don't always go and he fell in love with a pigeon and it made him destroy his penis no I think the

woman made him destroy his I don't know if he what he did you know he might have taken something to like chemically castrate him they do they used to do that to pedophile priests yeah they'd give him like salt Peter to keep them from being, I don't know what Salt Peter is. No, I don't know Salt Peter, but I know about the castration of people. Yeah, all that, that too. So, I mean, maybe personally castrated. What is Salt Peter?

It's something that they used to give priests to keep them from getting horny. I don't know what it is. It would kill their desires. What was it called? It's called Salt Peter. I think it, like, spelled Peter. Before I get to that, Nicola Tesla reportedly died a virgin. Yeah.

So that lady that he would. was infatuated was probably the first time he got rock hard salt peter's potassium nitrate he was using his energy for other things he definitely was having a fulfilling line and he definitely is doing well was doing well doing that like that probably would have stolen a lot of resources from his inventing and so what is salt can you put salt peter up cool so you can see what it does i don't know uh see what it does here uh salt peter primarily potassium nitrate a natural mineral historically crucial for gunpowder, but also used today as a fertilizer, fruit preservative, curing meats, and for sensitive teeth and asthma relief. It's a source of nitrogen, mine from caves, or made by

mixing nitrates, and while once believed in aphrodisiac, it's a myth, though its curing role is real. Afrodisiac. Yeah, that's the opposite of what you want. Right. No, please put it into Perplexity, where does the story or where does the, whatever, the issue with Salt Peter and priests come from? Like, where does that story come from? Because I remember hearing that when we were kids, that they would take a pedophile priest and they'd give them Salt Peter and we're like, what? The myth associating Salt Peter with suppressing priest's sexual urges stems from medieval and

Renaissance beliefs. That's how old I am, son. When I was a kid, they was talking in medieval and Renaissance beliefs. In alchemy and folk medicine, during that era, Salt Peter was prescribed in mineral baths or potions as an infallible cure for victims of love potions. Oh, it was a cure of love potion? You got to hit with a love potion alongside substances like alum, antimony, and sulfur. This notion evolved into broader folkloric claims of its anaphrodesiac properties. He's never seen that word before.

Later applied to institutions like militaries, prisons, and monasteries, though no historical evidence ties it specifically to priests' food. So here's the thing, if it gives you nitrogen and, like, thought of as an aphrodisiac. You don't want to give that to a pedophile. Right. Is that, is that like, did the pedophiles trick them? Did they trick them and say, you know what? If you give me this, it'll kill my dick.

Meanwhile, it's like, it's their gastasia voter pills. Do you know the, on the like medieval medicine, they were still bleeding people until like the 1870s. Oh, yeah. I was reading about that this week. Someone, some famous person, that's how he died from, was it George Washington? They bled him too much? I think George Washington, like, insisted on them bleeding him more than the physician advised. Bloodletting?

Yeah. Wasn't it George Washington? Shane knows a lot about Washington. He, that's like. He hasn't done it yet, but if ever he decides to do a long-form podcast on the Civil War. He should do a long-form podcast on history, period. I was telling him that. Oh, and his death involved extensive bloodletting, George Washington,

a common 18th century medical practice that likely hastened his demise from a throat infection. The query George Washington bloodletting. Whoops. Appears to be a misspelling. I checked it too fast. No worries. Blood-leading practice. Doctors blet.

Why did they include that in AI? AI is correcting you. They're fucking with you. No, it looks like you've fucked up. It looks like AI is kind of fucking with you a little. Doctors bled multiple blood washed in multiple times in December 14th, 1799, removing about 80 ounces, roughly 40% of his blood volume. Imagine they thought it was a good idea to take your blood out while you're dying. Like for hundreds of years they were doing it.

Fuck. And maybe it does have some benefits that I should look into. I doubt it. Yeah. She's got a throat infection. They take your blood out. Imagine the days when they hadn't figured out antibiotics yet. Oh.

Well, we get to enjoy them for, I mean, at some point, they'll stop working, right? Like, we'll get. Some of them, I mean, there's resistant strains of MRSA. You know, MRSA is staff infection that you can't cure with antibiotics. It's very dangerous. When people get it, it's – I've had friends that got it. It's horrific. It eats holes in your body.

I had a buddy mine who had it done on his knee. His whole knee, like, he was at the hospital. and he sent me a picture of them what they had done to his knee. They'd split his knee open down the middle. They'd pull it open to clean it all out and disinfect it. It was so insanely infected from this medical resistance staph infection. So he was on an IV drip 24 hours a day. He stayed in the hospital for weeks for this fucking infection.

We didn't have that kind of staph infection before antibiotics. Right. It's a major cause of death in this country. Yeah. And in the food, right? It's in the meat. What is? Antibiotics.

Like, we feed. I remember someone saying, like, that's the real problem is that we're giving it to, like, the cows. We just put it in their feed. Well, I think the reason they do it, supposedly, there's a lot of, like, if you get an organic steak, grass-fed, organic. Most people believe that that is the healthiest version of beef, because that's an animal that's not being given any hormones, not being given any antibiotics, and is eating grass, which is what they're supposed to. Now, when they eat corn, sometimes they get these, like, weird abscesses, and they get, like, problems digesting. It's not natural food for cows. That's why they get so fat.

Like, the reason why they get that marbling, that's their fucking dying. Like, we're giving them terrible food, and their meat tastes different. They're like wagu beef. They're finning them beer, I think. Oh, bro, they're barely alive. When you see that beautifully marbled piece of wagoo beef, that's a very sad animal. That's a very depressed animal. They depressed the fuck out of that thing before it died.

I didn't realize they were not. feeding cows grass for like until I was in the grocery store and they had like this is grass fed milk it's like what the fuck's the other one this is news to me yeah um it's it's interesting because I was reading this thing about um certain pasture raised eggs that you get that are really bright orange yeah and you think oh this is a really healthy egg what actually was going on was they were feeding the chickens turmeric and they were feeding the chickens a bunch of things that affected the color of their eggs and these eggs were high in vegetable oils

because I think alpha liquid I don't remember what acid it is alpha loyc what is it? What is it? No, that's a supplement. Whatever it is. This, they were realizing that the chickens were eating mostly grain. Yeah. And then they were making it look like they were eating all these insects, which is usually what you get when you get a chicken that has like a real rich, like a

natural raised chicken that's a rich orange yolk that thing's eating bugs and all kinds of stuff that's what it's supposed to eat so they were like pretending by giving these chickens turmeric that would make their their yolk like a really bright orange and then they were giving them corn so they were pretending these chickens were running around in a pasture but they were just dumping a pile of things to get them fat as quick as possible and then feeding them some fairy dust that makes their eggs the right color The thing is AI for me, where I just want to be in a field, in a cottage. That's my chicken over there. And I know where it is.

And I know one day I'll kill that chicken and we'll eat it as a family. Well, there's nothing wrong with that living on a farm, especially like a small individual farm. It's probably a very harmonious way to live in nature. But you do have to make a lot of money to, like you have to really thrive in the system to go and get that now. Isn't that crazy? Because that used to be the way poor people lived. Yeah. I yearn to live like a poor person.

I think it's harmonious for human beings to live like that. Everybody that I know that lives like that will kind of tell you that it seems right. I think people lived like that for so long. I think it feels normal for them. And they're totally self-sustaining as opposed to someone who just relies on these trucks to keep showing up at the grocery store. I mean, also, like, at some point, I know RFK came in with, like, trying to do a lot of things to improve the food. And I don't know how many are going through it. But at some point, people will get sick enough, I think.

You have to have some sort of chance. I mean, my wife has become gluten-free since coming to America because she's become gluten, like, she had gluten her whole life. Something in the wheat here. I don't know what they're doing to it. There's a lot of things. It's not good. Well, one of the things is the excessive use of glyphosate.

Glyphosate is in a lot of different things. There's a bunch of different chemicals. It's a bunch of different chemicals that they put into modern bread. What was it bromine? Is that one of them? There's a guy who we played a video of him breaking it down. Remember that video, Jamie? But what's wrong with bread in America? See if you can find that.

It's very enlightening. Because it's one of those things you realize like, oh, this is all to make it shelf stable, so it stays good forever. And they've made more complex glutons in the wheat because that way you get a higher yield per acre. And they've all made it so it creates all this intolerance. Like you get gut inflammation if you eat too. much of it you feel terrible like it was the only thing people would eat you would just eat bread get a loaf of bread for the week and you'd have whatever meat you could have next to it and you'd be but like surely we don't need that at this point like we can have the problem is industrial agriculture

is kind of taken over in this country and if you want to make money that's really kind of the only way to make money farming it's really difficult to run a regenerative farm and have it be like really profitable the way these enormous like industrial farming situations are you're not supposed to have monocrop agriculture like that's crazy you're not supposed to have a thousand acres of corn just growing together that's kooky like no one has that in the wild that's not normal so it's supposed to be genetic diversity is supposed to be animal shitting everywhere it's all feeds into each other that's what they do in regenerative farms but their yield is so much lower than a farm that stacks all the pigs into a warehouse and has them shit into a lake i have seen the

weird little tunnels where they put the pigs into it's not nice it's disgusting it's disgusting but then but that's how you get jack in the box on every corner that's how you feed a million people that aren't growing anything else in the box you don't no i'm not suggesting you lose jack in the box or any of these places but i'm just saying that we've kind of painted ourselves into a corner where you have no one working in food production yeah you have a small amount of people in these cities that even understand where their food is coming from. Everybody's just assuming it's going to show up. You're going to go to the nice restaurant. You sit there and you have a filet mignon and a glass of wine. You have no idea where anything came from and you don't have to. But that's a

luxury that most people don't realize as a luxury until something like the pandemic happens and everything shuts down. And then you go, oh, no food's coming in. Where do we get food? Oh, my God, we have to learn how to hunt. This is like the AI hope, right? Is that it takes care of all the like we can have super abundance and we can return to an organic high quality state

is how do you fix crime-ridden cities how do you do that how do you do that ethically you may not like the answer it gives you well I don't want it to give

me evil answer it might say there are men with hoods here it is let's put this no problem what I was gluten free in 15 years I've been gluten free

in carnal America can't eat it that's because in america what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of europe see here in america it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain about 200 years ago we started stripping the brain and germ or the fiber and nutrients to make flower shelf stable also nutritionally dead because the nutrients were gone we enriched it with folic acid which a

large majority of the population can't even metabolize therefore many people experience fatigue anxiety hyperactivity and inflammation but then the bread wasn't white enough so they bleached it with chlorine gas and the bread didn't rise enough so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which has been in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fog, tired, and blamed gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat. The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled

wheat, soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is. Uh, I need some... That's it. I like that they had sweet dreams playing in the background there. Yeah, I mean, I will look... When I'm back in Australia, I will look forward to having normal bread, human bread.

That's so fucked up. So fucked up. You've got to escape to get to our food. It's the same thing they've done to our governmental systems. It's like money. Money gets in. These whores. They ruin it all.

Yeah, you guys, I mean... Hors! You like, it's okay. Money is also great. Oh, yeah. I'm not against money. You should be. I'm a little bit against money.

Are you? In what way? I don't want to make decisions in my life about how. how to, what would result in having more money. You've got to be able to provide for your family. But I think, you see enough people in this business sell out. And people have really lost the language of selling out. Like, it's gone.

Like in the 90s, everyone, that guy's a fucking sell out. That guy's doing. You know, you do the wrong sort of music on an album of people that accuse you of selling out. So I'm not advocating for that. But, like, I mean, there are definitely, there are people out there doing ads for things. It's nuts that they're getting away with it. like people who do like rich guys

who are doing gambling commercials and I don't mind gambling I'm open to gambling I enjoy gambling but it's like we do gamble commercials we do gambling commercials

on this podcast and I may be open to doing it myself in the future but when I do see we do draft kings Samuel I don't even mind that as much I mind like

but why is it different than Samuel Jackson reading for a gambling I might I don't know draft kings enough but there are things like in Australia we got

Bet 365 which is like they've turned it into a social media app slash gambling software. Okay. So it's where you go to socialize and gamble at the same time. And that does give me a strong ick factor. Yeah.

Like it's your building. Russell was talking about that, the problem in Australia with gambling as well. I don't see anything. When I look at bookie apps in America and things, it's just like, I'd like to put a bet on that, and I get money if it wins and not if it loses. We're in a more strange, advanced. We've been doing it for a bit longer, and it's further down the line. Jaff Kings has all that kind of stuff, where you could bet on weird prop

Betts. Yeah, and you can do multi-bets and things like that. But I don't think it has affected the character of men in this country the same way that it's done in Australia. We have more freedom. You guys are little children over there. It's also our only outlet. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I think we outgambles Singapore.

We're number one in the world per capita. No, we put you to shame. But, like, you guys can handle it. It's usually a sign of people in distress. Gambling? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're...

The country's in distress. That's why you guys have a gambling problem. I mean, we really have a fucking huge gambling problem. It's not bad? It's really that bad? It's just, it makes it hard to have a conversation with a guy. Really? Look at...

72.8% of Australian adults gambled within the previous 12 months, 80.5% for men and 66.2% for women. Look at losses per capita. 38% of Australian gambled at least once per week, 48% of men and 28% for women. 28% for women, when you see a woman who's betting on sports, something inside of you, goes, What are you doing? doing. This is our horrible thing. No, let the ladies fuck up to. I have been to your pokey rooms in America.

That's what we call them. Like at a casino? We call them pokey rooms. Pokey? Yeah, the pokies. Like the rawfish? You're like poking on the machine all the time. That's why we call them the pokies.

But like in America you'll be at a casino and the floor has all these fruit machines. Pokies? Yeah, but like people are still like smiling and talking to each other. In every pub in Australia there's like a back room where sad, twisted old people are just like sitting in front of a machine. sitting in front of a machine for hours you get that in Vegas too it's just extracting money yeah it's sucking your attention in there and extracting money and it makes your dull life a little bit more exciting 20% of the world slot machines are in australia yeah yo you guys are buck wild no it's that's how they keep you broke I'm against it but also yeah if i've had a couple of drinks

and it's a Friday night I'll go and play the Indian dreaming well here's the thing you're smart enough to not get fully addicted to playing those machines, but not everybody is. I think it's a smart thing. I think I have enough going on in my life. Definitely. Right. With the intel, there are smarter people than me who have been lost to it.

But that's all it, right? Like, you don't need a distraction. Your distraction is the thing you're enjoying in your life. Yeah. You've got a lot of things going on in your life. You don't want to do that. If I wasn't doing stand-up and if I wasn't doing, if I didn't have a loving family. And you have a shitty job.

Oh, man. When I did have a shitty job, I was door-to-door salesman, and I was buying the scratch-off. cards every day, every single day I would buy them. And I didn't know why I was doing it at first. I'm like, well, I'm knocking on people's doors and trying to give them cable television when they don't want it. I am going to need a little something to help.

Man, I think I started drinking in the afternoons. Really? Because you hated it? I hated it. It made me loose when I went to knock on the doors and try and give genuine. They would take us out to like the worst remote communities because they'd go, these people will buy. They're like, the nasty of the neighborhood, the more people are.

likely to buy from a salesman the less they have in their life you'd try and go to a middle-class neighborhood no one would talk to you you'd go out to weird remote poverty and boy i'd sold a lot of cable television really yeah was it dangerous uh yeah there were i because you're knocking on the doors of like i went up to port augusta in the worst neighborhoods there this is like hours and hours away from a major city um and the company i was doing it for like said let's we we looked up the poverty statistics and we're sending you to the worst possible places because you'll you'll sell more there uh man no people were uh i remember there was an irish lady who got attacked who was working with us i don't think i ever i had like weird things happen where people you'd have to go into

someone's house and they'd be like weird stuff on the floor i went into one person's house and there was a woman passed out on the floor bleeding and they're all just like she's fine don't worry about her it's like why was she bleeding from what her head yeah she was apparently all right and she was But she was passed out. I don't know what happened. What do you mean? All right. She's bleeding from her head.

It wasn't like a huge amount of blood. But she was on the floor and there was blood. And they just assumed she was okay? I made it out of their quick smile. They were like, she's fine. Don't you worry about it. I don't know why this is coming back to me now. I haven't thought about that in about 10 years.

Did you think that maybe they hit her? And then maybe you were a witness to it? Or maybe they killed her and they were going to have to kill you? I don't know why this is dribbling out of me now. I definitely saw her. She had a beard. I remember. and she was a

they were very calm about it they were relaxed and they wanted to keep having a conversation about buying the cable television and how that would let them watch the football and that she was okay and I wasn't to worry about her and I think I got out of there and kept knocking on people's doors

and I think I called anybody whoa sorry I didn't know where that was buried maybe she's fine maybe she's a drama queen maybe she hit her head on purpose and then fell down I mean, I was seeing a lot of passed out people in the streets there.

Drunks and drugs and, yeah. Did you ever almost get robbed or anything? I don't think I got threatened. There was a guy who was having sex one time and was very unhappy that I was kept knocking on his store, and I thought he was going to hit me. But that was about as bad as bad as it got. Did he come out with his dong hanging out?

He was grabbing his pants in a weird way. His lady had been at home, and she said, come back when my husband's home at this time. And then he can decide if he's going to buy it. And then I came back right at that time. And I think he just got right home and started right now, let's do it. And then we're like, get the fuck. Australian men being angry is we go into a new gear of like lack of control.

Well, it's a prison population originally. And we like that. We don't want to be free. We want a nice warden who's going to take care of it for us. But you don't. Mm-hmm. No, there are many things that are upsetting me about going back. You got to become King of Australia going back. If they'll have me, I'm thinking of running for the Senate.

You might win. I've got policy. The Senate's more winnable in Australia. Are you seriously thinking about running for the Senate? We have like 12 people from each state. One day, it's my fantasy. Really? In each state, there's like 12 people who get to be the senator from there.

And in a double dissolution, you only need like 8% of the vote to get into the Senate. Wow. And if you're in a small state, that's not a huge number of people. So we get wacky people going to the Senate. And it effectively has the same job that the American Senate has. Like, it's a huge amount of power. And you get to veto things, you get to do inquiries and stuff. Yeah, we've had, Pauline Hanson is there at the moment.

She's been there for a while. We had Jackie Lambie for a long time. We get nutty, interesting people in the Senate. It's the only bit where a bit of life and color gets into our politics. Because we've got, yeah, our house, our lower house is not as exciting as yours. You get more. You get, what's it, Jasmine Crockett? Yeah.

You get Jasmine Crockett's in your parliament. We don't get as, not as much. How locked down is politics in Australia? So locked down. Yeah. And there's a, so it's, it's not first, you guys vote and you just go first past the post. And if you, you know, if someone gets 50% of the vote, that's it, they've got it. We do ranked voting.

So it's like, you put in six, there's six people, you put them in order. and then like kind of the least bad one, the one that the least number of people dislike gets in. So you get really boring people. And also the parties don't primary. And this is, I keep talking about how this is great in America. You're like the only country that does this. Well, that was why it was a real problem that the Democrats didn't do it.

They didn't do it, yes, for the presidency. They really didn't do it legitimately since 2016. But on a local level, someone like, AOC can get in to be her. Sure. Like that's, even that level of public involvement is globally unheard of. No one else is doing that, I don't think. Right. Fetterman, those kind of people.

Fetterman should not, like, you just look on a paper. There's no way the Democrats wanted him to be their guy. There's no way the people in charge of that party said, I think this is a guy who's going to tow the party line. Well, I think once he got in, he became much more aware of how corrupt the system was. Like, talking in was interesting. He's a very nice guy, by the way. like a real genuine nice guy and I've run into him in other places

I ran into him at the inauguration he was wearing a car heart hoodie and shorts at the inauguration I'm not bullshitting I gave him a big hug he's a sweet guy like a genuinely sweet guy and I think he got into that system and he's like hey this is not what I was like

that guy's been doing like charity work his whole life yeah he's like a genuinely good person and he got into it he's like this is not what I signed up for this whole thing is fucking crazy like when he he also had the brain thing happen had a stroke and then he I watched that debate that he won like I don't know how bad

is it Dr. Oz that he was up against yes that's got a hurt when you go up against a guy who temporarily can't talk at all yeah well he has a struggle communicating but I don't think the struggle it's way better now yes but I don't think the struggle is a thinking thing I think it's a communication thing and it's also like he loses track of what you just said. So like he has to have an iPad.

So the iPad listens to what you're saying, translates it, writes it out, dictates it, and then he looks to it occasionally. Okay. He's like, I'm sorry, what did you ask me? And then I'll have to repeat the question. But it's not that he's not there. Yeah.

It's just there's a misfiring. But when it fires correctly, he's a very reasonable. He's very rational, very smart guy. And I think a really good guy. And I think he opened up a lot of people's eyes like, well, it is possible for someone to get in on either side and just be irrational and just have rational positions on things and saying I'm not going to just vote the way everybody votes because I don't agree with that. I think there's a much more nuanced view of the world. And so a lot of people like on the right like him because he broke party lines, you know. I remember there was like Obama came in and tried to do that.

Immediately when he was a senator and I was reading a thing about how like people just took him aside and said you absolutely don't fucking do that You have to stop doing that now. Okay, we want you to be the future of this party Shut up but there must be huge pressures on people not to be individuals there There was huge pressures on Tulsi Gabbard to not even communicate with people on the other side She was like bring them cookies and shit and just be nuts She's like sweet lady. She just wanted to be friends with everybody and they were like we don't do it that way Well, I mean John McCain seemed to do a lot of weird He would hang out he would be on both

sides of the aisle. People liked them. There are a couple of individuals. Yeah, there's a couple individuals that have made like a little crossovers, you know, a little bit. And, you know. You could ban the party system. I'd be open to that. Well, you need more than two. That's the real problem. Yeah. The real problem is there's only two legitimate ones. If someone's in, if you vote libertarian, you're essentially voting protest. You're saying fuck these guys. Yeah. And the Green Party. I've done the libertarian thing a few times. I was like, you're just saying fuck these guys. But then if

you can't, like a two-party system is so easy to rig. I mean, but could you rig a five-party system? Could you have seven parties? Could you rig that? I don't know. You know, and the thing is it's like you have the house and you have Congress. It's like the two-party thing is going to be

so tough to untangle. You know, it would take some radically popular person who went independent. Who tried? Leggs Roosevelt. Ross Perrault Ross Perrault Ross Perrault fucked it up for everybody

Yeah he came close But uh Roosevelt Teddy Roosevelt He got real close Right but that was a long time ago And he was Teddy Roosevelt Yeah

But he won states I think I think he did get old states That's crazy The Dixie Crats did it But they were never going to pick up That many states It would have to be someone like that Someone that was like

Loved by a giant Percentage of the population Like if some Let's make up a fictional person, some amazing Oprah, if Oprah becomes president or wants to run for president, and everybody's like, because you remember there was a thing during the Trump administration, the first administration, where I think NBC tweeted, this is our president. And they showed a photo of Oprah. See if you can find that. I'm pretty sure that's true. And I remember thinking like, this is so crazy that we're looking for another famous person to counteract the famous person. I remember that they wanted the rock. Yeah. Oh, they talked to the rock. They came to the rock? They came to the rock? He came to the Rock to try to get him to do it. I mean, I don't know what the Rock's politics are. He's, you know, a kind guy who's probably very left on certain things, but also very disciplined.

Yeah. And obviously really admires and believes in hard work and dedication. He'll be a great president if he wanted to do it. Tweet on future Oprah presidency not meant to be political statement. Okay, what? They said on Monday that a tweet touting Oprah Winfrey has. our future president during the 75 Golden Global Wars was not meant to be a political statement. Of course it is.

You literally said president. That makes it political. Our in all capital letters. It's the only one that's capitalized. I really thought it could have been Kanye for a while there. Yeah, he could have made it. His policies would. Some of them were great.

Some of them were genuinely good. It's in reference to a joke made during the monologue and not meant to be a political statement. We have since removed the tweet. Okay, so there was a joke, but there was still a political statement. statement. Come on. Even if it was like in reference to the joke, you saying that in all caps, our president, it's still a political statement. They've got to find somebody. I mean, just for the future of this, J.D. Vance can talk to people. I've seen long-form interviews with him where he actually seems like a normal human being. I think there's a lot of people pushing James Tala Rico now.

Okay. You know, we had him on the podcast, too, to talk to him because I felt very interested. He's a Texas guy. He's a Texas guy who has some really important things to say, particularly about the potential for a religious, like a theocracy. in Texas and that there's these very wealthy Christian fundamentalists that are driving this, like multi-billionaire guys that are driving this. And that's how the Ten Commandments got in schools. And he is a very religious man. And he does not believe the Ten Commandments should be in schools. He believes that if you put the Ten Commandments in schools, it's actually going to push people away from Christianity because you're shoving it in their face. And he's like,

and it's also disrespectful to all the other religions. So you don't have their tenants and commandments. Have you seen the Ten Commandments in the schools? I have not. We went out to look at some of the schools, and it's fun, because they're, like, they don't just put them up dryly on the wall. Like, they have pictures of all the things. All the things you're doing, like, sin? Yeah, but this is weird. When it comes to, like, don't covet your neighbor's wife, and there has to be, like, some weird little sexy picture or something. Really?

Yeah. Is she, like, bending over in the garden? I think it was, like, a woman. Oh. Yeah, it was a, that was a strange one. Well, how weird is not they have to draw it? I think it was too stupid to read. It was like, you got to draw it.

I think it was in, like, the Spanish class where they had, like, They had it written in Spanish, the Ten Commandments. Anyway, Tala Rico is interesting, you know. Yeah. He had a very bizarre argument about abortion that I felt like that doesn't jive with how most people view Christianity. What was he? Well, he felt, what did it exactly say that was like super controversial, Jamie? He said, like, somehow that you think that it could be biblically permissible.

I've heard this before. I've heard people say that. I don't think it. It doesn't seem to make sense if you really want to live your life. biblically it doesn't make sense but this is lefty Christians are always like they have to find out like people will go there's nothing there's nothing in the there's nothing in the there's nothing in scripture that says homosexuality is wrong and you go like yeah okay but like what are we we arguing that in like you know two bc Jerusalem it was just chill

to be a gay guy and they just never wrote it down for some reason like I'm not saying like as to as to how people want to live that's fine but don't like come in and say the insists that people be gay or that like the trans thing is actually fine in the Bible because it never says you shouldn't be trans it's like the absence of something in an old book that hadn't occurred to people is not an argument for its permissibility

does that make sense? There is talk of a man lieth with a man being an abomination and then they do but then they go that's about that's about boys it's not about men we've got a very special translation that only we understand is that what they say really? Yeah Yeah, they say this is always about boys.

This is never about too many. But it says man lie with another man. Hey, I don't agree with them. But it's all the like, I think if you're going to have a religion, you should like not just try and twist the religion to be exactly what you think. Right. It should be. Right. Like that's kind of the point of religion is that it's something bigger and stranger than you that you're going to allow to, like you're going to develop as a person with it rather than correcting it.

Well, I think if you look historically just in this country, the attitude that we had about gay people in this country was terrible, like in the 1930s and 40s and 50s. It was terrible. Yeah. Right. And then somewhere along the line, there's the gay rights movement. And then ultimately, in modern times, gay marriage. So there's this progression where people realize, like, hey, they're just gay. Like, it's always existed.

But people had to hide it forever like you know the Turing test story right Alan Turing the guy who invented the Turing test As to whether the AI you can tell if it's a person yes Yeah the well that guy was fed chemical castration drugs because he was gay in England in the 1950s Right so it's at some point in time I think you have to like take into consideration like how long being gay was punished before people eventually just got to this realization like You mean enough gay people. You know enough gay people. You have a gay kid, whatever.

You realize, like, some people are just gay. There are obviously people who are attracted to people of the same things. A hundred percent. That's all it is. And it's like you have to look at things through a cultural lens as much as you have to look it through a biblical lens. Like, because it's not all God's word. It's God's word written down by people. And some of it is like, some of it is just so.

That's very Catholic of you. That's the Catholic coming out. You have to look at it that way. It's like there's just so much in it that doesn't make any sense. There's context in this tradition. And this is what I like about. This is what I like about the Catholic. I became a Catholic like eight years ago, seven, nine.

It was a number of years ago. I'm forgetting how many years. But I had been like sort of nothing and then sort of a Unitarian. And then not, but I like this thing of like. What brought you from sort of nothing to belief? I'd always believe there was something. but then I started going to Mass because a friend was going

and when I was on the road years before I would like be off on the road on a Sunday and have nothing to do so I went to mega churches for fun because they were very funny and very strange What are mega churches like in Australia? We invented it, we got it going. Really?

You guys invented it? You guys probably invented it but we took it to another level. We did Hillsong. Hillsong was the biggest one by Justin Bieber was a Hillsong guy. That's Australian? That's Australian.

Oh, I didn't know that. Australian New Zealand guys and the, like, guitar music and the smoke machines and they're doing this. Oh, and you guys brought that over to America? Yeah, I'm very sorry. Wow. I'm not a big, but I would turn up there

or, like, or a little Baptist church or something, but I would shop around and try, you know, who's got something going on? But the mega church has offended me more than any. It was like, whatever is happening here is weird and gross, and I don't like it. Like, they would have two pastors come out and they'd, like, riff and banter together.

and it was like a breakfast radio show and they'd have like big projectors and then I started going to the I went to the Latin Mass and it was like oh this is a very strange ancient ritual with like bells and I don't understand what anyone is saying and I just wanted to keep going to that

I love it I love it and the organ and the choir I think you made a really good point too about people coming in to this candlelit room and everything's beautiful and ornate, and just that alone probably has a profound effect on your psyche. They must have known that, right? They must have known that when they're creating these incredible...

A stained glass window? Yeah. You haven't looked at a picture or a television screen ever. Right. And then you go into a building where there is light shining out of a man's face. And it's Jesus. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And there's statues in him with... He's covered in blood. Yeah, he's got... He's on the cross right in front of you with the thorns, dripping blood. and you're like, holy shit. This is what I mean, though, about losing. Well, it's okay with the AI.

That's the Catholic thing. They always put him on there. It's always suffering. Yeah, suffer. And at the megachurches, they take him off. They go, it's a big plus sign out the front. What? Do you know what?

Like, at a Protestant church, they will have, they'll have a cross, but there's no one dying on that cross. It's just empty. It's only Catholics that have Jesus actually nailed to the cross. I think the Orthodox do it as well, but like all the Protestant megachurch people, they never show it. That's interesting. Because they're winners. They want to go like, we're increasing. We're getting.

more stuff. And I don't want to exaggerate, but prosperity gospel people. Lenny Bruce had a great joke about that. What was his? He had a great joke about Jesus coming back and seeing you wearing a cross. Hold on. He said it's like having an electric chair around your neck. Was that Lenny Bruce? And then Bill Hicks had a version of it.

Yes. Bill Hicks was like, it's like going up to Jackie with a rifle pendant on. We're thinking of him, Jackie. I remember that bit. The oldest stained glass windows in the world's 7th century. Yo. That's what I'm about. Oh, Germany. Bavaria.

Wow. They've figured it out. They've got to make this place more colorful, bringing more people. They didn't have pyrotechnics back then. They've got to figure out a way to make it more. Because like if you see beautiful ancient cathedrals, like one of the things that I really loved about Italy is you could go to these ancient churches

and go and look around them. And that's like amazing artwork, amazing, like just the craftsmanship of constructing these incredible building. When you go inside of them, it feels like, something bigger than you has created this. This is more beautiful and ornate than anything you ever see in your village.

Your village is filled with like boring ass houses and like little fucking tables and little chairs and everyone's sitting around eating spaghetti and then you go to this place and this place is insane and there's candles and take your hat off and you do this and you put the money in the basket. That's how I felt when I started showing up that it was some weird alien. It feels like thousands of years old. when they're doing it in Latin. And the priest isn't facing you.

He's facing a wape like you're all doing something together. Right. And it's mysterious. Have you been to the Vatican? Never. Ooh, you should go. I would like to. You need to go.

You should just see St. Peter's Basilica in the flesh. It's beyond comprehension. It took hundreds of years to make. The craftsmanship is so exquisite. It's like the artwork is so incredible. You walk, first of all, it's me. Massive. I mean massive and perfect.

You walk around, you're like, what the fuck were you guys doing? Like, who made this? Yeah, it's number one. Like, how long did this take? That was Shane's reaction. Every time Shane's talking about it goes, yeah, we're number one. With number one, bro. No one else can do that.

Pull up some images of, like, look at what it looks like in there. The wobbly column. God, it's so incredible, man. It's so incredible. And then it shits me when, like, the Vatican II, I don't. dismiss it. I don't say it was wrong, but when people, you know, like a modern church and it looks like, like there's a, you know, a carpet and straight walls and no art on there. That's love. Do you know how much time it takes to make something like that? I mean, that is fantastic artwork. When you walk in that place, it's breathtaking. Like you walk in, you just go, wow. Look how small those people are. Look at the people. Those people are walking, dude. Look how tall that ceiling is. Look at the light coming down. Acoustically, you can, the guy giving the homily, people can hear him. Yeah.

Like, it's built in such a way. Like, people used to know something about acoustics where you could, yeah, that is great. I mean, that's so psychedelic. It really is. Just looking at the geometric patterns on the columns and the ceiling, it's like, it makes you feel like you're tripping. So if you were there and you're like walk into this place and you lived in some boring-ass house, you would really feel like you're in God's house. I mean, it feels like God's house near that.

That's how much they believed. They didn't cop out on this at all. They went all in. That one right there. Look at that picture. I don't like it when people go like the church should melt everything down and give it to the poor. Like this is a gift to the poor. If you're poor, you get to go in there and look at that.

That's open to everybody. They're not putting that in a private. They should never take that down. Whatever they did to do it, maybe they shouldn't do it again. Wherever they got that gold. It's a better planet for heaven. having it there. Well, I mean, the Vatican controlled armies for a long-ass time. And it's nuts that it's its own country. That's weird. What was his own country? So they can keep the pedophiles there. No. It doesn't have to export them.

They've tried so hard to crack down on the pedophiles. Oh, good job, guys. It's just so crazy that one section of religion is commonly associated with pedophilia. The press was real bad because the scandals were real. And there were lots of them. But I would say, I mean, when I talk to priests and I look at Catholic schools and what they've got in place at the moment, I would feel like they are so on top of it. So on top of it. But there are definitely parts of society that in five, ten years, things will start coming out. Listen, man, they catch pedophiles at Nickelodeon.

Yeah. They catch pedophiles at the CIA. There's pedophiles everywhere. There's a certain percentage of our society that's fucking sick. And they're sexually attracted to kids. And it's a sick, fucking horrible thing. thing that's real you know and it exists all over the place but the problem is it exists like synonymously with the catholic church like people think because they've hidden those people

they've shielded those people from prosecution they've taken and moved them to new places where they molest more kids uh i agree but i would also say it's the only institution that it was the it was early to declare that that was wrong like before the catholic church you had a pagan society where that was not, it was not questioned that that was acceptable. Acceptable. Like in terms of, like, it introduces the standard

by which you can go, it's wrong to be a pedophile. It's wrong to have a boy lover. Because the Greeks and the Romans were getting up to it. Oh, yeah. It's not an excuse for people's behavior, but it's part of human nature

that's been with us for a long time. Well, I think it was part of their nature also when they were going on army campaigns and there was no women for years at a time. They just fucked each other. In the legs. They fucked each other in the legs? Intercural.

Oh, they would squeeze their legs. together and then use their legs like a titty fuck? Yes. Nice. Because it was disrespectful to the soldier you with, to put it in his butt. He still has to fight the next day. Oh, really? You don't want him having a mobility issue.

So they're just coming each other's legs? In the legs. That's not that bad. That's just helping out a bro. Worst things happen on butts now. Let's see. Well, that was, they also had the concept that if you were fighting next side beside your lover, you'd fight harder to protect them than just another man.

Yeah. I mean, we're not getting couples to join up to the military now, though. Well, right now we're not because everyone's soft. But if we were at war, and you know how many guys would go gay? You know how many guys would go gay if you gave them three years with no women at all? You can just draft a married couple. You're in the same battalion together. Wild, military men, hard as a rock all the time, filled with testosterone, running off to some part of the world to kill people.

No access to pussy for three years. It's not going to be zero percent go gay. It's going to be a number. I think that was a huge. There was that test after World War II. See how long it takes for you to go gay? They did a huge, well, kind of, because everyone had just come back from being, you know, like five years together in the war. Gaying it out.

And they ran a big, it was like a survey on sexuality and returned servicemen. And it was some huge number of like. Gay guys. It was not just gay guys, but it was also like beastiality was way bigger. Because a lot of these guys had grown up on farms and things. So they're asking, like, have you ever had sex with a chicken? And something, I'm going to get the numbers wrong. But it's something like 12% of guys being like, yeah, yes, of course.

I don't want to be getting that wrong. But I think, how many women fucked the chicken, zero, you know? No, there's one lady in Thailand is still doing it to this day. She got paid. It wasn't her idea. It's not out of love. She's not an amateur. Yeah, it wasn't her idea.

The guy that fucked the chicken, that was totally his idea. This is a big thing in your act. This is a through line in your ads is that like, you're always like men are the degenerate ones in these. For sure. Well, that is a fact. that's a fact I mean we start all the wars we're responsible for most of the murders yeah

yeah well one of the funny ones I had a bit about back in the day I actually had a conversation with this guy he's like do you know that statistically speaking more men get raped than women I'm like right by other men yeah fucking idiot I'm like they're not getting raped by cheerleaders wait is that true yeah yeah because most rape victims are men yeah when you take into account prison

Oh, yeah. See, you take an account, you know, sexual assault in prison. Which is just accepted in this. I guess it is. It's like that's part of the punishment that everybody knows is going on in prison. No real efforts to stamp out prison. Well, the crazy thing is woke got so far that they let males identify as females, intact males, and go into female prisons because they're, air quotes, trans.

Yeah. Which is the craziest loophole. Like, you would never think of all the things they were. restrict you from doing in jail. You can't even have a phone, but you can go fuck girls and pretend you're a girl. I mean, once you know that exists as a loophole, you'd be very silly not to take it. Also, wouldn't you? You're dealing with people that are fucking liars. They're prisoners. They're in prison. They're criminals. You're saying they rob banks and sell meth, but they wouldn't lie about their gender. That is an honorable. Has this been stopped now?

No. In California, at the time that I read last, there was 47 biological males that are housed in women's prisons with hundreds on the waiting list but this is happening in it happens in Canada there's a lot of it in Canada I mean schools is a weird one where like there are single-sex schools and then they'll have a trans person and they'll admit them but like like you can you can be a a M to F and they'll accept you into a girl school but also if you're a girl at the girls can you say I'm a boy now they'll keep you at the school so like which just I just I Ideologically, which is it? Because if you are a single-sex school, then if a girl says I'm transitioning to a boy, you should have to kick him out. You should say, we believe that you are a boy. Get out of here. You don't belong here. You know what I'm saying? I don't think there's an intellectual consistency with any of this. It's just people going, this is making me uncomfortable. Please do not get angry at me. Yes. I'll give you whatever you want. There's that. And then there's also people that really do feel like they're in the wrong body, right? So those people have always existed. So the question is, what is that? And is it possible? that someone would lie about that in order to gain access to the women's room and that's true

yeah that's a fact so you always have to look at that like as soon as you say oh you have to believe them okay you believe a murderer who's in jail and you're going to pay for his boob job now okay and you're going to let him go into the women's prison because that's what's happening in Canada right they're doing that kind of shit doesn't everyone feel like they're in the like being instantiated in flesh is a weird thing like it's uncomfortable to have a body It aches It doesn't do the things You tell it to do all the time

Like we're all alienated from our body And there was an explanation for that For a long time Like with the transgender With the trans spike That like this is what the thing that is wrong with you This is why you're uncomfortable in your body But I think the numbers have collapsed

In the last Well you know when they collapsed It coincided with Elon buying Twitter Okay I didn't know that Yeah Yeah the post 2024 numbers have dropped off a cliff When you stop offering that

explanation. Yeah, well, not only that, but you could talk about it now. Yeah. Whereas before, if you, if you, literally, if you wrote on Twitter that a male could never be a female, you'd be banned. Yeah. You would, like, that's what happened to Megan Murphy. They banned her.

They banned her from Twitter by saying, a man is never a woman. Well, I remember they were banning people for saying what J.K. Rowling had said, but they're like, we can't get rid of J.K. Rowling because she's too big. It's completely, it was completely insane. because you should be able to talk about anything. And if you're wrong about that, like other people are going to correct you or have a better argument than you have,

and that's how you figure out who's right and who's wrong. And for the longest time, there was no talk of detransitioners being upset. There was no talk of these things are actually chemical castration drugs. They used to use on pedophiles. That's what these things are. Rapists and pedophiles used to be forced

to take these drugs that you're now giving to prepubescent boys. Yeah. Also, the new penis is that... Oh, God. I don't want to be sent any more of those. Bro, the new penises and the new vaginas. Both of them are, it's genital mutilation.

And with a lot of them, that these people have these thoughts about being a girl or being a boy, they turn out they're just gay. But do you, I mean, but what? All right, theory, possible theory. Theory. Is that the ruling classes have always wanted eunuchs. Oh, God. Do you know what I mean?

Like if you were an emperor of China. Oh, you just put on the full tinfoil hat roll. Yeah, this is my tinfoil hat. You put the whole roll on your head. It's good to have a eunuch advising you because they're calm. We're talking about this before. The sex urge is gone and they can just use all their Nicola test. Yes.

All dogs are trans? Yes. And so is that the effort? Is that why you want to do it? Is that why we have? Oh, God. I don't think that's a long-term play that the ruling class are breeding a new eunuch class to advise them and help.

Anyway, it's just a theory. Well, I certainly think it's been accelerated by various special interests. And I think some of them are form. I think there's a lot, there's real evidence that China and other countries have pushed on social media, like trans ideology. Yeah. And also, like, fought against anti-trans people and attack them online. Like, you see it, like these organized hate groups. Not in China, though, only in America.

In America. Like, doing it in America using different AI programs. But LGBT issues are just one of the many things that they do that with. They do that with immigration. They do that with U.S. aid. They try to disrupt our system by getting us to argue with each other. So they pose as us and argue, you know, and say wild shit. And some of that is being added now that on X, you can see where people are from.

It's interesting, right? Yeah. It's interesting. Not everybody looks at it, but when you do look at it, you go, oh, you're in Africa. This is kind of crazy. You're a white nationalist account in Georgia. Yeah, that seems weird. There's a lot of that.

Yes, Renee Deresta did some research on that with the Internet Research Agency before the 2016 elections when they were talking about how these foreign countries had these things that were set up that were just designed to put posts on Facebook and memes, and it was just designed to, like, sway the conversation towards a certain direction. Yeah. And she's like, and the funny thing, she saw like thousands and thousands of these memes. She's like, some of them are really funny. Like, they're really funny made memes. Yeah, who's making these? Yeah, who's making these? They're being made in Russia or somewhere.

This is what, this is, when I'm on the New York Times app, it feels like I know what their agenda is all the time. You do. And it's so nice to be like, I know where that's coming from. I know that when I'm on X, it's like there's a lot of reality coming at you at once. And then there's also definitely bots on there doing. And it's, I feel overwhelmed. It is too overwhelming. I try not to fuck with that anymore.

Every time I go on there, I just feel bad. Just feel gross. all of them all of them I try to stay off of them as much as possible I feel better when I do when I have like a day or two

you're in a valuable position of just getting to talk to people who know what's going on you get to talk to I remember Christopher Hitchin someone asked him like what newspapers do you read and he said none

I just talk to people who know things and I want to talk to who I trust who know things you're a very well connected not everyone gets to you can have a phone call with like an expert

in something if you want that's true that's a huge plus to doing this but it's also you have to find out which expert is really honest. Yeah.

You have two different experts. Like if you have some sort of a court case, well, the defense will have an expert. And then the prosecution has an expert, too. And they disagree. So wait a minute. I thought it was all based on fact and logic and science. Like you guys are, whether it's DNA evidence or all kinds of evidence, there's like experts on both sides. So you're always going to have some kind of dispute.

If you have complete, if everybody just like completely. agrees with one narrative there's something probably going on and generally speaking what's going on is that they have control over that social media application like blue sky yeah blue sky is a perfect example if you just go on blue sky and type there's only two genders banned you're gone yeah you're over like they don't fucking around which is why that one is being allowed i think in austral in austral so we're banning x for the under 16s but blue sky is fine yeah you're going to turn people into the most radical of progressives but they want they're saying here are the facts that we you can agree on and then you can have your disagreement within that bubble but you've got to exist

within a shared reality right i'm getting freaked out by the new york times app and i don't like it okay but so they'll have ads in there and this is this they have ads for the new york times in the new york times app right that doesn't seem smart it's well they're off they're saying you should buy a friend of yours the new york times app okay you should pay for them to have it and then it's like why should you do that so you can talk so you can understand that you can the news together so you can share the world together right they're like isn't it terrible when someone has different facts to you let's all have the same facts so that we can know our children again you should buy your children the new york times app and bring them under the safe warm umbrella

and it is when i'm on there it's like being in a weird bath or something where it's like a protected zone or well i will be deleting it at some point i enjoy doing the whirdle but it's like i'm just getting a second of because i've i've been in austin for like two years now and most of of my news has come through talking to Kurt Metzger in the green room or something. Do you know what I mean? And so I was like, just give me a taste of what, like, a normie out there is experiencing his reality. Well, the problem is those normies get indoctrinated just as much as anybody else does.

And so they get indoctrinated to thinking that the New York Times is the golden standard of accurate news reporting. And it's not biased. And this is the actual story that's going on. And no, that's not always the case. I would say at least on the right, people are getting indoctrinated by like multiple different, strange things. Like the actual agreement, you can have arguments and discussions about things and people do in a vibe. You've seen that like meme where it's like here's right wing thought and it's all fucking over the place.

And it's like here's the left wing thing. It's like one dot. And everything after that is Hitler. Yeah. Everything to the right of that is Hitler. Yes. Yeah, I've seen those. It's weird now that you've seen all these right wing people that are having public feuds.

It's blown up. It's been a big week. What's happening? Like, why did everybody lose the? The plot. It's weird. Charlie Kirk was holding something together and now it's really, I think people are, I don't. I think he was.

What seems like from his death out, there's a lot of chaos on the right. But is that because of his death? Why are all these people attacking each other? Or is it because, you know, there's people out there that are saying wild shit and then other people are being forced to defend them? Whether it's Candace Owens or whoever it is. I think the conservative movement was always a weird bringing together of about three different things. What are those things? Like foreign policy hawks, social conservatives and big business people.

And William F. Buckley Jr., is that his name? I were getting that right, but like the National Review, he managed to purge all the John Birch society people and say, this is mainline conservatism going forward. And then Reagan was able to, like, dove to hell him with that. And there was, there was a, there was a coming together of two people who didn't. It didn't make a lot of sense for like a religious conservative and a big city finance guy to share a platform together. But under that project, you could bring them together. And that that, it breaks apart. And you can see it.

Like there are a couple of things really breaking up. Like, where is the right fracturing in Arizona at the moment? It's like Israel is a fault line. There's no holding together the two wings of the conservative movement under Israel anymore. Is there? Like, the Tucker Carlson wing of that discussion and the Ben Shapiro wing don't seem to be able to harmoniously go in locks. No, they hate each other.

They really hate each other. There's a conspiratorial wing and there's like a big business wing that don't want to get along. There are like, there's libertarians and there's conservatives and those, they match up on a couple things, but not a lot of things in terms of like, you know, what is a family? what are our values going for? What should we have religious values in the law? A lot of people on the right would say yes. A lot of people on the right would say that's the, never, no.

So unless there's like a unifying, like, I don't want to say strong man, but like one, unless there's a unifying figure to bring those to disparate groups together, I think their natural thing is to fight with each other. And that's what's happening now is that it's the end of the Trump era. He's not going to run again. he managed to build some sort of coalition around himself and that's I think Mr. Kirk's widow

whose name I don't remember who had the gold outfit Erica Kirk Erica Kirk who I don't watch a lot of the speeches because I get all secondhand but she's going like we need to get behind J.D. Vance he's going to be the future of holding this together and he's trying to really stay out of it so that they

like he's not making a call one way or the other he's trying to allow the two parties to duke it out see who rises I guess he'll see who wins. Oh, boy. Well, that's the thing. It's like someone has got a win, right?

Like something's going to have. Or they're just going to just like diffuse the whole right wing movement by being constantly at war with each other. Where there's no consension. Yeah. And this happens on the left as well. Like the left. Like the AOC people and the Nancy Pelosi people are not natural bedfellows. Like what do they have?

What's the consensus? Like what do they agree on? They agree on immigration. They all agree in immigration. Kind of? I mean, the people, no, big business people want heaps of illegal immigration. Oh, okay. But the big business people. That is true. There's some CEOs that have openly discussed the fact that they need that in order for their business model to work.

Yeah, you've got like the Pat Buchanan wing of the party going up against the like H.W. Bush wing of the party. So I don't even think they can get around that. But most people would say that having an open border, most people on the right would saying having an open border is a real problem. You need to close the border. If you vote, if you were a right-wing person you ran on let's open up the border again we need illegal immigrants we need the labor yeah it would be over you would never win yeah you would never win you could govern that way and I think people did for a long time but you could never have that as your public right you could let them sneak in let it slip yeah well like Biden was always saying

we're tough on the border and you go yeah these numbers are very galling you definitely weren't he wasn't tough on shit but I also think he wasn't running anything either you know I mean It's hard to imagine Hard to imagine Yeah Yeah no way So whoever was running it Wanted to keep running it

And that was a real problem That was a real problem That's scary Because then you let you realize Even though it's crazy to have a president At least the ideas You voted a president in But if the president doesn't do anything

And it's really a bunch of like As nutty as Trump is At least you know he's doing it Like nobody else is gonna put gold All over the White House You know he's doing that Nobody else is going to do that A hundred percent

For sure He did the auto at the very least you know it's him doing it and you hate him you love him I think he wrote he wrote that Rob Reiner tweet I don't think anyone was in his ear going yeah I think I think I think you should take a big stand against Rob Reiner today no he wrote that he wrote that he wrote that um but as to where the right it was Brennan Brennan and Clapper those are the people that had the video with Rob Reiner where he's like literally talking to two spooks about how it's a real problem that Trump is the president and he's criminal they started on something called the committee

for Russian investigation or something like that. Rob Reiner did. No, no, it's crazy what they did. The COVID stuff no one apologizes for? No. They completely lied. As much as you can hate him about a lot of things that Trump has done, you can't just let people get away with making a fake story

about him colluding with Russia. Like, that's a fake story. The Steele dossier was literally, all that stuff was funded by the Clinton campaign. It's crazy. Yeah. And the Epstein stuff coming out now is, I mean, we'll see what happens with that. Well, you guys were talking right before the podcast said, Jamie said there was a big dump. What happened with the big dump?

You said there was a big dump today and they fucked up? That was your take. They fucked up. The fuck up was that people have found out that the redactions weren't really redacted. Don, don't, done, done. That's a big mistake. Like, you can copy and paste and put it in another document and see the redactions. Oh, like a Photoshop deal?

Like you could get the layers away? Yeah. Oh, whoopsies. That's what happens. you get fucking people working for the government that are dorks. Then, which is like steps to this. I wasn't following

at all, but the Department of Justice has tweeted a couple interesting things today, starting with this one eight hours ago, so it's like 6 a.m. or something. Department of Justice has officially released nearly 30,000 more pages of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein.

Some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made, again, President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the 2020 election, to be clear. The claims are unfounded and false. And if they had a shred of credibility, they certainly would have been weaponized against President Trump already. Nevertheless, out of our commitment to the law and transparency, the DOJ is releasing these documents with the large, with the legally required protections for Epstein's victims. Some of those documents have been deleted now. Okay.

So they're saying that 30,000 more pages of documents, and some of them contain untrue and sensational claims made against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the 2020 election, right? But by who? People are just sort of taking it as a grain of assault saying like, so nobody else. It's all. Oh, it's only Trump. Only untrue about Trump, nothing. Nobody else. All the Bill Clinton photos were definitely came with, come on.

This picture came out of a letter that seems to be, potentially. suicide note written by Epstein, written to Larry Nassar. The facts of that that are strange. There's a postmark, which is three or four days after he died. Wait a minute. Larry Nassar. Yeah, he was also in jail. He's the Olympic guy?

Yeah. The doctor that was a pedophile? Yeah, and it's like a letter writing like, hey, I know what, you know why I'm in jail. I know why you're in jail. Boy, that seems weird that he's writing a letter. He says he's taking the short route. Yeah, and like that starts off saying, if you've gotten this, you know, I took the, in quote, short route out which short route home right yeah but there's some weird detail people are like they said

they're saying this is fake or maybe fake did they get a handwriting expert to analyze it yet peering doesn't that's what i started asking the questions like well then why did it get why to come out how are you know oh so the FBI it says the FBI is confirmed this alleged letter from Jeffrey Epstein to Larry Nassar is fake fake in all caps Trump wrote that It gets busted by the use of all gaps. Fake letter. Was received by the jail and flagged for the FBI at the time. The FBI made this conclusion based on the following facts.

The writing does not appear to match Jeffrey Epstein's. The letter was postmarked three days after Epstein's death out of Northern Virginia when he was jailed in New York. The return address did not list the jail where Epstein was held and did not include his inmate number, which is required for outgoing mail. The fake letter serves as a reminder that just because the document is. is released by the Department of Justice, does not make the allegations or claims within the document factual. Nevertheless, the DOJ will continue to release all material required by law. Well, this is how they probably should have done it from the beginning, right? Release all material.

Yeah. And then refute whatever you say is fake. And you say, okay, it didn't have his inmate number. It's not his handwriting. It's fake. It was three days after his death. It was postmarked from Virginia. He was in New York.

But don't make it look like you're covering it up. Right. Release it and say it's fake. I have seen on Twitter people complaining about like, like they're not meant to censor anything due to embarrassment. But when it's like Galane Maxwell's boobs, they will censor it out. This has been illegally censored.

You must. By the law of the United States, show me her boobs. I need to see them aerolas. Is she? She's in prison in Texas. You can kind of call it prison. She does yoga, plays cards, hangs out. Is she allowed to talk to people?

I don't think so She's not allowed to podcast I'm sure if that's what you're getting at I am That would be a really exciting podcast If everybody wants to die That would be a really good podcast I think she's just a nice normal lady

Do you think Trump on the way out Pardons her She's a nice woman I wish her will I don't know It's uh The weird thing is she's in jail For sex trafficking To

Who Epstein Right To him From him I think it was 16 18-year-olds in Florida, and it was directly to him. I was briefly, I experimented with being, like, a non-Ebstein believer.

Really? Yeah, for about two weeks. What did you think was going on? I was like, maybe he's just a pervert who liked getting back rubs from 16-year-olds and he had famous friends. Because everyone was like, he's Mossad, he's CIA. What do you think now? Yeah, he's obviously something.

It's way, I just thought everyone, like, everyone in the green room was saying he's Mossade. I was like, I could be, maybe the controversial thing would be to not believe this. Take the contrarian position. I just wanted to experiment with the contrarian position. And it's getting harder and harder to hold that. Yeah, it seems like the more they dig into his past, the more it feels like he was part of some sort of intelligence agency. Well, like channeling offshore money for people. How about the fact that he just got a slap on the wrist during the first case when he caught a case?

And then whoever it was, it was the prosecutor or the judge was told that he was. there was intelligence there was a yeah that's and then someone retry i listened to a podcast on it from like some some matthew schmits who's compact magazine and they were like they were making out that it was uh it was a anti-semitic plot to say that epstein was secret intelligence and it's genuinely although i don't agree with them it was one of the best put together podcasts i'd heard and i look at this suicide watch observation lot two 15 a m Inmate states his cellmate tried to kill him. Inmate sitting on bed trying to remember.

He literally retracted it, saying he has no idea what happened, but there's pictures of him showing his wounds and stuff. I think he also said he woke up and didn't know where those wounds came from. Oh, so that's the guy, too, by the way. You know that. That's the cellmate, the giant dude. Oh, so the cellmate beat the fuck out of him. I don't see any wounds. Where's the wounds?

New release documentary. Semi-conscious with neck injuries. He works around his wrist. Let me see. Let me see his neck? It's not a good picture. It's a video? Oh, okay, it's a video.

His hands were swollen. I think he said his ankles or feet were swollen, too. Oh, so the guy tried to grab his neck and choke him. But they said they investigated. They didn't find anything. Found no evidence of foul play. I didn't do nothing. He says he didn't do nothing.

I don't know what to tell you. You're okay. Get back in jail, you pedophile. That's probably what they did. But the guy probably tried to kill him. I mean, it looks like a guy that would try to kill you, and he was definitely a murderer. Yeah, if you're in a jail cell with a pedophile,

I think that's unusual to try and kill that guy. Also, you're a big giant guy who's in jail for murdering four drug dealers, and you're a cop. Like, I was always saying that you get him to kill that guy for, like, a pack of cigarettes. I think it's going to be jail for the rest of his life forever, for sure. And you can give him, like, awesome special treatment. if he waxed Jeffrey Epstein Man, I was really trying

I tried so hard I went on podcasts trying to say Did you? Yeah, I wish I hadn't I just thought it was a cool a cool like bucking back against the grain thing to say And I was saying he was charismatic

Why wouldn't famous people want to hang out with this charismatic man That photo where he's with Michael Jackson His loafers are incredible He had a great sense of style Right, right But I do, and then there's things about him discussing with, you know, he's talking to ex-prime ministers of Israel about how to move money around or something. Yeah.

It's, I, it's not good. Former Prime Minister of Israel used to visit him in his Manhattan place with like a mask over his face. He'd like pull his fucking, had like one of these things on. Do you ever see? No. Yeah. See, they have pictures of him trying to cover his face as he goes into Epstein's house, which is what I always do when I go to my friend's house. You cover your face?

Yeah, you don't want anybody knowing. You go to the ring doorbell? There's also, there's apparently more... Nixon mask on. More Prince Andrew ones now. Oh, of course. And he's, uh... Well, there's a reason why they literally kicked him out of the royal family.

They banished him to a mansion somewhere in the hills. I don't think he'd been... Yeah, it's not good. It hurts the... It hurts my regard for the beautiful royal family. Yeah. I love very much. I bet you do.

You like a good royal family. I love a royal family. Look at that, dude. Yeah. Why he's dodging the paparati? Oh, for sure. Paparazzi are always in front of a financial guy's house. A bunch of chicks leaving.

A lot of people seem to love hanging out with this guy, a charismatic guy. Betty's a lot of fun. Had cool people at his parties. I mean, it was with Woody Allen he was hanging out. Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton seems to have a great time in all the photos. A lot of people seem like having a great time. Michael Jackson was hanging out there.

Michael Jackson didn't look like he was having a lot of fun, though. I don't think he had a lot of fun, period, right? Michael? Tortured individual. He had a roller coasterced. How could he be unhappy? I don't think that was for him. That roller coaster was like...

I still know Michael Jackson's... When you go turkey hunting, you put up a fake turkey? No. Bring in the turkeys? His father made him dance too much, and that's why he wanted to spend the night with boys. I can't defend Michael Jackson. No, you can't.

Who can you defend easier? Michael Jackson or Epstein? Well, we don't have any... I mean, probably Michael Jackson because the music was great. The music was great, and his doctor said he was chemically castrated. You know that? I don't. Yeah, the doctor that went to jail for giving him propofol that wound up killing him.

The general anesthetic. Yes. That doctor, when he got out of jail, spoke publicly about the fact that Michael, when he was young, was giving chemical castration drugs to protect his voice, to keep his voice from deepening. I'm on the record saying that castriety should be brought back. I think so? You're on the record? Yeah. No, over and over again, I say, if we're going to have trans people.

Make them sing? You get it regarding how well you can sing. But you've got to do it when you're really young. It's got to be before puberty. Yeah. I don't really believe it, but I do want to hear the castratia again. We've got one recording, and it's not very good. It's weird.

Have you heard it? It's eerie. Yeah, we played it on this podcast a bunch of times. Yeah. It's kind of macab. But people loved it at the time. They were sick people. And only the Italians, because the Italians were bold.

What a crazy movie. move. What? Castrated boy? Cut your son's balls off when he's young so he could sing at a high pitch forever. Well, I think they would crush them because they didn't have antiseptic. I think cut them off his... What did they do?

They crushed their balls. I think they'd crush them and then put them in a bath of milk. But do you know about the swan thing? What'd they do to crush the balls? What did they use? They just smash them? It was illegal. Look at that thing you did with your hands.

That was terrible. It's not good. But they would deny it. The families would never cop to it because it was illegal to castrate your son. Oh. So you would come up with an excuse. And there's like one town in Italy where over the course of a year, like they reported hundreds of swan attacks. That's what they would say.

Oh, God. They would say a swan flew into my son's testicles. And that's why he's now the best singer in Milan. And they did it so their son could make money, just like a theater mom. But the people loved it. Like when there was the last one and they were going to retire it, people were chant, like crowds screamed, long live the knife. They wanted it to keep going. Do you know about this?

Long live the knife? Yeah. There was like. The nut cutting? spread popular support not to get rid of the castradi. People wanted to keep hearing it. Bro, that's terrible. But they must have sounded really good.

Well, we heard the recording. You want to hear it? Apparently, he was no good. Apparently, he was one of the worst ones. Many of these operations were performed by local barbers. Oh, the razor. I guess I did use the razor sometimes. Yeah, they said this was an operation all the time.

I should have guessed you were across the castrari. I could have guessed that would have come up on this show before. I didn't know you'd played it a bunch of times. Oh yeah, we played it before. We'll leave on this. Can we play it? This is one of those videos. Yeah, somebody might own it.

I got into an argument about it because I put it on a video once and I got challenged and I challenged it back because it was recorded so long ago. Oh yeah, it should be in the open... Do you know what I mean? That's true. There's a Wikipedia recording.

It's totally open. No, I'm across it. Yeah, we don't want to deal with it though. How come no rappers is sampling the castriety? Danny Brown. Maybe Did he when he gets out. Maybe you. You could.

I'm not even going to try and be a ditty defender. I thought about it. You're such a contrarian. You do think about it. Yeah. It would be nice. I just don't have enough time to research it properly. But if I had all the time, and if I didn't have kids,

I would be spending all my time becoming the best Epstein defender because it would be a cool thing to say at parties very stridently. Wouldn't it? That's such an Australian thing to think. What you got here? It's just a quick explanation. I mean, they really sum this up fast. Oh.

Time roughly beginning the 17th century, the mid-19th century, an error with a science of anesthesia, anesthesia, still had some way to go, and here we go. Before making the first cut, a surgeon would send a patient into a semi-comatose state by plying him with an opium-based drink and compressing his carotid arteries. Oh, that's the milk. Then the boy would be plunged into a bath of milk or hot water

to soften the necessary parts, at which point speed was of the essence. Cut the spermatic cords, remove the testicles, tie the ducks, and then fingers crossed. Oh, God. Oh, God. But what is it about the Italians that were the only people to do it? Why are you fucking with my people? No, I'm saying it's kind of a greatness of spirit.

No. That's how much you loved music. It's disgusting. Other people were trying to take over the world and build empires, not in Italy. That's what you were doing in the 17th century. They just didn't know that AI could just fake it. We could make an AI castrata. Maybe we should close on that.

Let's have AI do a castrata of... I reject it. I reject AI castrato. Papa was a rolling stone. Can you do that? Yeah. Let's do, have AI make a cover of Papa was a Rolling Stone as an opera castrata. Or castrato.

Is it castrato or castrata? I think it's, castrati is the plural. Castrata, right. But is it a castrato? But is it still a boy if you cut his nuts off? Well, you're getting a lot of trouble in Britain for saying the opposite. Mm-hmm. Yes.

The ladies loved them. God And they got big and tall They can never get hard No they could Really? Yeah How do you know

I read a lot about it Like Maybe they lied They would have sex No women would like go and try and have sex with them But they Because they couldn't get pregnant off the back of it But how'd they get a boner if they didn't

I think it like Testicles They still got There was still testosterone in the body Like a tiny amount protrude by the They got real tall though They got huge

They would be like seven foot tall Really? And they're This is why they could singing so well is the bones in their rib cage wouldn't fuse. Like there's something in puberty that's meant to come in and like stop your bones growing that happens when you're a child. So they'd have like this huge rib cage with huge lungs and a tiny little boy voice. Yeah. But like huge amounts of air flowing out. Oh, that's crazy. I'm just saying why can't we,

if we're going to have all the trans kids, doesn't one of them go, I identify as a castrari? Couldn't one do it? Maybe you're planting the seed in someone's head right now. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. Well, maybe they already went through with the other thing. And they're like, well, let's make the most of this. You know? Let's make some lemonade. Can you really just type it in and make a...

Yeah, but... Yeah, but... Yeah. How long does it take to render? The problem is the lyrics. The lyrics? Those lyrics are copyrighted. You could have a song...

Oh, we can't play it. You can't... It won't make the... Oh. How are they doing that? You don't want to say it? Okay. All right, we're just wrap this up. Is it a secret? McCann, we're going to miss you. You'll be back.

Thank you, family. You got one? Hold on a second. You got one? Oh, here we go. Here we go. Yes, I'm quite eerie enough. That sounds like a regular guy. When you hear that one guy, it is otherworld. It's creepy. It's creepy. All right. It's creepy. Make good songs.

McCann, I love you, buddy. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. It's always fun hanging out with you. And I'm excited about tonight. We're going to have some fun. I think so. Yes, sir. Okay. See you a bit. All right. Bye, everybody. Thank you.