The Joe Rogan Experience - #2443 - Filippo Biondi

Episode Date: January 23, 2026

Filippo Biondi, PhD is an engineer and signal processing researcher who was part of a team that discovered unusual signal patterns beneath Egypt’s Giza Pyramid complex using advanced radar imaging technology. www.harmonicsar.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Rogan podcast, checking out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. How are you, sir? Fine, thank you. Thank you very much for being here. I'm really excited to talk to you. Obviously, there's been an amazing amount of interest and controversy because of your work.

We should explain to everybody right off the bat what this is about. You are the man that was at the head of this research that, is looking at structures that are underneath the bottom of the pyramid. And incredibly controversial, very fascinating, and if it's accurate, it essentially rewrites all of human history. Yes. Thank you for this invitation. And, yes, the group is composed by Corrado Malanga, which is the head of the group

and the dean, professor of chemistry at the University of Pisa. Can you explain your background plan? please so people will understand. Yes. My background is this. I am a telecommunication engineering. I graduate at the university. What is that word again?

Say it again? Telecommunications engineering. Okay. Your English is excellent, but the Italian accent, although fabulous, sometimes it's difficult to translate. Thank you very much, Joe. I'm sorry, yes, that I'm not mother tongue of English. It's still much better than my Italian.

Okay, thank you. Yes, I guess. I graduated myself at the University of Lech, south of Italy. Very nice university and it was, it is, has the name of a famous mathematics Italian, which is Ennio de Georgi. Eno de Georgi was living in the era then John Nash was living also. And they were one against to the other, and they were both studying the 19 Hilbert problem, and Eno de Georgi solved this problem one week before John Nash. Ah, interesting.

John Nash, who from the famous movie, A Brilliant Mind, with Russell Crowe. Yes. Yeah. And so then I performed my PhD at La Sapienza in Rome. and now I'm here. And how did you get involved in this discovery? Yes. I worked on radar and synthetic battery radar for a lot of time. For the Italian military, right? Some work. Yes, yes. Which you can't really talk about. No. Right. And I was involved in some research where together with the Italian Research Council of Bari, always south of Italy,

we was testing some special processing that were able to perform something special special. And so this is. So this top secret research that you work on for the Italian government led you to try this stuff out, try this technology out. And this is satellite-based technology, correct? And it's radio tomography? Yes, it is something, in my personal opinion, very simple. The radar is installed on board on the satellite. The satellite flies in the space at a distance of 600 kilometers at 7 km per second in velocity. So while it flies along the orbit, it is able to catch snapshots of the Earth.

The snapshots has to be focused. And this focusing procedure, let's say it in the Azimuth, I take it easy, in the Azimuth direction, is done by sound, by the processing of sound, because it is involved the so-called Doppler frequency. You know, Joe, when you hear noises that are approaching to you, this noise will rise the frequency because the target has a velocity, a positive velocity with respect to you. And so the frequency is raised up.

And this procedure allows us to estimate or to grab, let's say, the vibration information that is always present at the surface of the earth in terms of a vanishing wave that are present on the surface of the earth. So this vibration, which is mechanical vibration, carries inside of this the information that is located underground. And so we did this. And was it a specific idea? Was the idea specifically to look under the pyramids or was there something that was discovered accidentally?

Okay, yes. Once we discovered this method, it was a coincidence that I knew Corrado Malanga. At that time, I speak, we are in 2018, he was studying the pyramids. And so we were talking about something that if there was some methods able to scan inside the pyramids because he needed some information to conclude the research that he was doing. And so I proposed him to use my technique. And we started to work together. And so we focused at in that time on the pyramids.

And when was this, when was the first scans? Yes, in 2019. In 2019. And when you got the data back, did you immediately get the data that you're showing today where you see the columns with the coils around it? Okay. Let's say that this research can be divided by two. The first one, 1.0, we were concentrating research on the,

the Knu Kufu pyramid, the Keops pyramid, to watch inside the pyramid. And so we have detailed, tailored, our processing to watch only inside the pyramids. Because that pyramid, only one pyramid, because we were doing that kind of research. Then once we discovered things in 2020, we published a peer review paper

and we gave public the results that we found inside the Knu Kufu Pyramid, we decided to expand our research in all the Giza Plateau. Kenna and I saw it there. When you looked inside, so we know quite a bit about the Kufu pyramid and what the chambers are inside of it. Did this technology accurately describe the pyramid itself and the insides of it, the chambers that we know exist? Absolutely, yes, because we have detected this multilayer structure that is inside the Kunun Kufu pyramid, the so-called Z.

We have discovered it very well from the space, and it is located inside the pyramid. And also we discovered it. No, we discovered it. We gave an image also of the other known structures like the ground, the, you, the, you, the, Grand Gallery. The Grand Gallery. And then also the Queen's Chamber and the King's Chamber also. And accurate in terms of size and dimension. And also position and location. Okay. So when did you decide to focus below the pyramid? Yes. We decided to focus below the pyramid because we were, our intention was to expand our research.

And then also thanks to the third component of the research group, which is Armando May, he suggests us to expand our research and scan all the GISA plateau. And so what date was it that you discovered these immense columns with the coils around it and all those structures that are underneath the pyramid. Yes. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. SquareSpace makes building and managing your website ridiculously easy. They give you everything you need to showcase what you do and get paid all in one place.

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And then we adjust our algorithms to go deeper, and so when we did this, very nice things began to, to appear on our results. What did you feel when you first saw those images that do appear to be immense columns? I believe the diameter is 20 meters. 20 minutes.

So they're huge, enormous columns. Yes. What went through your mind? Skepticism. Skepticism. I told for Ocho Corrado was with me because we had those results in our desk without disclosure anything for six months. Because my opinion was that was not real.

I was thinking that maybe it was noise or some artifacts due by our processing procedures. yours. Did give you pause at all that they were so uniform that these columns were in very specific places and that they lined up there was a uniform gap in between them? Yes and why we disclosure this because we started to use also other satellites and once we at the beginning we were using only the Italian satellite system that is it is Cosmoskymed and Cosmoskymia second generation. It's very good, very precise. But we wanted to shift our research

using also other satellites. Because, Joe, in research, when we have diversity, diversity is a good thing because it confirms other things that we were searching. We were searching confirmation. So once we had the same results,

while we were, we was using American satellites called the Capella Space and also other satellites, having always the same results, we decided to disclose. How many different scans have been done on this area? Two or three hundred, more than 200. More than 200. And all with uniform results? Yes. Wow.

Yes. There's a lot of resistance to this. and it's from the usual characters. And it's from people that I would characterize as gatekeepers of archaeological information. And unfortunately, they are not willing to approach this with an open mind. And you see this skepticism that just seems to me to be confirmation bias. They want this to not be true, regardless of the sheer number of scans and the uniformity of the results of the scans and also the fact that this stuff has been proven to work on other things.

Like, didn't you guys use this exact technology to get the exact dimensions of a particle collider that you have? Yes. Yes, we have a particle collider where I have born in Laquila, which is located in the center of Italy, at the center of Italy. There is a huge mountain called Grand Sasso, the Grand Sassau, the Grand Sassau of Italia, which is has a maximum altitude of about 3,000 meters for being precise to 993 meters. And so there is a tunnel, very long tunnel about 11, 12 kilometers.

And in the core of this mountain, there is a particle collider. There is a laboratory, let's say like that. And this technology got the exact dimensions of this particle collider that's deep in this mountain. Yes. At 1.4 kilometers with respect to the top. Wow. Yeah. Okay.

So we know it's accurate. We know it works. What do you think it is, I mean, other than what I said, that it's gatekeepers of archaeological information. It's people that don't want to admit that there's perhaps a quite a bit bigger mystery than just the pyramid. themselves what is what do you think it is that is causing this resistance personally is true we found a lot of resistance yes it's true but personally I don't know why I can say something regarding to my personal opinion so it is something that maybe is too big too too huge to to be disclosure that like that today I don't know

know why. It's confusing to people because it's essentially paradigm shattering because the pyramids themselves are absolutely spectacular. The great pyramid is 2,300,000 stones. The alignment is the perfect true north, south, east, and west. It's a really incredible accomplishment, whoever built it and when they built it. It's just as undeniably fascinating that this was done at the very least 2,500 BC, probably even older than that. We really don't know. But that alone is spectacular. But then when you add the findings that you have, it just makes everybody go, we don't know

anything. We really don't. We know that these things exist, but their purpose has always been speculative. The speculation was that it is some sort of a tomb. But that doesn't make any sense because there's... There's no hieroglyphs inside of it. It doesn't seem like a tomb. It doesn't look like a tomb.

And I'm sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's work. Yes. Yes. Which, you know, he's an engineer. And he said it appears that this thing is some sort of a mechanical thing. And that it's probably designed to generate some kind of power. Yeah. Yes.

In this context, I have spoke a lot with Christopher Dunn. And I like a lot his theory. and it makes sense. And so this discoveries matches a lot with his and also to other scientists that makes, make recast the effective purpose of the pyramid not to be tombs. Today we are sure. We are sure of one thing that the pyramids are not tombs. They're not tombs.

And what is truly spectacular is it is, If this data is accurate, those immense structures that have baffled mankind forever are just the tip of the iceberg. Yes. That's just the top. Yes. And underneath it, you have these immense structures that we have not yet fully explored, but you have data that shows that – let's look at the images. Let's pull up some of the images so people can see what we're talking about. Because once you see it, your mind just goes, okay, what are we even talking about?

Like, what was this civilization? When did it exist? And what kind of technology would allow them to not just construct the pyramids, which is absolutely baffling? But if this structure that is underneath the pyramids is accurately described by your work, we're looking at something that is going to have to change our entire perspective on the history of humanity. Yes, I agree with you, Joe, because what we found, it is something that, has been confirmed by our measurements

and at the moment I suppose that our measurements are the only data that we have because there aren't other data. So what we are observing?

We are observing principally vertical structure. This vertical structures has a pattern, a regular pattern and this regular pattern is constituted by a so-called spiral nature. I found this.

So what are we looking at here? These are... Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yes, that is the Kaffre pyramid. And you see, Joe, at the top of the tomography, the tomography is on the X,

so the horizontal dimension, we have the space, okay? Space, just the range. and on the vertical we have the depth okay on the top we have the pyramid you see you see the pyramid on the top

and while you go down you are observing the structures that are going down and look you have the spiral nature of the of the structures okay this is not the clearest image that I've seen so what are let me see some other images

Because this is just one, right? I know that's what this is from his presentation and I didn't know where to get the best. Okay, back up one. So go. Okay. Again. We have a lot of images here that is recasting all the research that we have done together. So the images that are going around online that people have seen are these 3D replicate.

Pull up some more of those? Okay. Some of the images online are recreations of what it is observed and what you believe this could look like underneath, correct? We have performed measurements and they are sound measurements that are that has been picked up from the surface of the earth by satellites. So they are very precise and they are coherent. It coherent it means that contains a lot of of information. So it is characterized to have high entropy. And so when we perform the so-called tomographic inversion, we can see what there is underneath. Okay. So this is a recreation of what you believe it looks like. Yes. And how are you getting that from the image that's below that? Okay. So the image is just one aspect of the data, correct? Yes.

The image? This, this multi-colored image. Okay, here we are observing inside the Kafra pyramid. And inside the Kaferi pyramid, we are observing those structures there. Those are inside the Kaferi pyramid. And the image above, that is an artist's recreation of what you think it looks like. Yes. Now, how did you make that determination that's what it looks like?

Okay. The 3D model has been retrieved, not observing just only one result, but observing a lot of results. So putting on a table all the results that we have, we were able to retrieve, so to facilitate people to read our measurements. Okay, so observing the results,

we were able to determine the spirals and the structures that are located, starting from the base of the Kaffir Pyramid going down. I've seen other images of the scans that are more convincing than the one that's below. So let's see if we can find some of those. What else do you have here? Yes, these are all images that are related to the first. So this is just an article that's in the news. Okay.

What is, like, where's a good place to get the best versions of these images? Like that right there. Okay. Okay, what is this? Okay. Here we are watching a wide area of our tomographies. Look, and we see the structures that are going down. Yes.

This is much clear. Yes. Okay. And below the structure, at the end of the structures, there are huge chambers, but they are really huge. approximately having a width and the length and the height of 80 meters. So 80 meters structures that are below all of this. Yes. So almost the size of a football field below all this that is some sort of a chamber.

Yeah. And see if you can find some other images, Jamie. So the coils, how did you do? determine that there was coils? Is it just because of the gaps that you see and the imagery, whether they come in this uniform pattern? I have two or three slides on my presentation where we find the coils. Okay, let's see if we can find those slides. Do you know which slide maybe? If you go down, please. Yeah, wait a minute. Okay, okay, here, okay, here we can observe a regular pattern.

so not coils. And we go down please. Okay, regular pattern and the coils are beginning to be seen there on the third image. Here, regular pattern, go down please. And here, this is, in my personal opinion, the fourth image from the left to the right, the fifth image, one, two, three.

one, two, three, four, the fourte image, I'm sorry, where you have a core at the center of the coil, at the center of the structure, and then we have something that spirals down. So has anybody speculated about what this could possibly be, like what these coils are? Yes, I spoke with two independent, let's say, with some independent researchers, and especially with Christopher Dunn. And also I spoke also with Jeffrey that is considering also the GISA power plant like a chemical reactor. something like that. So we have on one side a scientist that say, okay, can be something related to electricity or we have something related to chemicals or other things. In my personal opinion, me, I can say anything, I can say anything because I just measured what there is there.

So it is not my, how you say, my job to do this. My job is, okay, here we have the measurements, and now we have to see what there is inside. In my personal opinion, this is the right time to say, okay, let's go there and see what there is. Let's start digging. Yes. Yeah. Pull up some more images, please, Jamie. Yes, this is very important.

I can tell you about this. Okay, because it is the very important research project that I am working now and it is something that if it could be possible, we can go there and without digging anything, we can go below. Why? Because belonging between the Sphinx and the Kaffre pyramid, there are some shafts and there are the photos

of the shafts where we can go in situ and we can physically go there and watch those shafts. Currently the shafts are blocked by debris and there is also rubbish

inside. So we, I performed a lot of scans at those shafts and you see Joe the shafts goes down, down, down, down, and

they reach chambers that are below. And that is the Doppler tomography readings. Yes. Yes. So these shafts go down. How far do they go down? Yes, they go down approximately 600 meters. 600 meters. Wow. Yes. So 600

meters down and then they reach a chamber. Yes. What is the conventional explanation for these shafts? Is there one? Like what is, what do current archaeologists, what is academia, what do they think these things are? Leave that right there for a second. Yes, this is the complete 3D model that me and Corrado did. And so to observe all the structures that we have found, that we found, evaluating the tomographies that we have done on the GISA plateau.

So it's not just under the Great Pyramid. It's under all three pyramids. And also the Sphinx. And also the Sphinx. Yes. And they all seem to go. Do they go down to a uniform depth? We found at the moment the same depth.

Yes. And they all have chambers at the bottom. Yes, absolutely. Yes. And that's the in my best of you know, the next thing that we are dealing. At the end of the structures of these tubes that are going down, there are huge chambers. How huge?

As I told you before, 80 meters times 80 meters and times 80 meters of height. And that's uniform underneath all the pyramids? Yes. The same dimensions? Yes. Wow. When you look at it like this, when you see your 3D recreation of the site, it's stunning. Yeah.

Because it just makes you think, like, what is this? I mean, I can understand the skepticism, and I can understand the resistance to this that modern academics have because this throws a giant monkey wrench into everything. This makes everything we know about that area thrown into question. Because if this is true, like I said, this rewrites history because you're dealing with an advanced civilization that is demonstrably more advanced than us. Yes, because they were able to

build very precise things, but not at the surface of the earth below. Well, they've even built a lot of precise things that confuse us. Like, one of the things that Christopher Dunn gave me is this. It's the recreation of the vase, of one of the many vases that they have that is

accurate in its, the way it was made, down to, God, what was the number? A thousandth of a human hair, something crazy like that? Like, much less than a human hair. In the diameter, in the uniformity of it, in the fact that it was carved out of this is incredibly hard stone at a time where there was no metal alloys. They, you know, they supposedly had copper tools.

No one understands it. No one knows how they did it, and it has handles on it, so it couldn't even been turned on a lathe. Yes, and also if we go inside the pyramids, inside and also outside the pyramids, we can observe that the measurements are very precise. The chambers are constituted by flat walls. We don't have inscriptions,

and the dimensions are all related to the constants, to the major constants of the universe. Right. They're all aligned to the constellations. There's a lot of like very strange calculations that they were able to make, like pathways where the sun during the solar equinox passes right through.

It's a fascinating place. Yes. When you started acquiring this data and you started accumulating it and then started going over it with experts, what did that feel like, you when you're when you're realizing oh this is real yes it was something that was very very nice for me because because when we this the thing was I was saying always to Corrado

Gorado shall we disclose you this or not I think for now not for now not but then the results were always the same. So we decided to disclose these results. How long did you sit on it before you decided to disclose it? One year. One year. So for that one year, how conflicted were you? You must have been walking around like, I have the biggest secret on Earth.

Yes. How weird was that? Only two persons knew what is. That's crazy. That's crazy. Two people having one of the biggest secrets on Earth. that's backed by data. I mean, it's not even like, you know, someone told you something.

Like, you have extraordinary data due to fascinating modern technology that indicates that there's these paradigm shifting structures. Yeah. And I tell you, Joe, I would like to go there and see what there is in person. Yes. Because it's now time, I think. Is there resistance from Egypt and the people that are in control of that area or are they fascinated by it? I tell you, Joe, I didn't find a lot of resistance. I found a lot of resistance in the Internet, yes.

Of course. A lot of the banking, a lot of people that know, it's not true, it's not true. A lot of people that were continuing to say, no, radar can penetrate the earth for one kilometer. And they didn't know or they purposely not saying this, that we are not penetrating anything because we are just grabbing the entropy that is on the surface of the earth. And with that information, we are retrieving tomographies. It's something new that I invented, but it works. Because we have benchmarks that demonstrates the effectiveness of the method.

And this is 100%. And there's also been some criticism that the patents have expired, but that's because you have new patents on better stuff. Yes. Now, Joe, I am under NDA. So we just might think I can say something about the second patent because just yesterday we filed the patent in USA. Nice. Yes. Wow.

Have any academics reached out to you in support that are interested in this and would like to explore this further? Yes, yes. I tell you this, there are companies related to mining and crude oil extraction and then also water. Joe, today we are living a particular time because water is very important. We are in a so-called water emergency in all the world. So for me, the first thing that we have to do is to scan the earth and to fetch, to find, to try and find other, let's say, opportunity to extract not salty water because it's very important. Adobe Acrobat Studio your new foundation. Use PDF spaces to generate a presentation.

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For now not, but I'm thinking to do it. Well, it makes sense. I mean, if you can detect this, it should be able to detect that as well. and that will be a, and also if it's accurate, that'll also help garner support for this exploration of whatever is under there. Yeah.

And so we are receiving a lot of calls from companies that want to work with me, and so let's see what we can do. And so this is all companies that have reached out after you release the results underneath the pyramids? The most of them are calling me recently. Right.

So they've heard about it. Relatively recently. Well, that's capitalism, right? They say, oh, we can make money off of this. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. It gets people interested.

It gets people involved in this. And so we have also a philanthropic project. We are opening a foundation in Malta. We are realizing it in two weeks. and we will have a foundation in Malta and with that foundation we can operate also philanthropically for the Giza Plateau

and other ancient megaletics that are located in all the world. We have a plan to scan everything. Really? What is next? Maybe we can see Puma Pumco or other science Yeah, yeah. Go Becatepe, perhaps.

Go back Letepe, yeah. Yes. Have you looked at the labyrinths underneath, the ones that were described by Herodotus that Ben Van Kirkwick has been talking about and his uncharted X channel, where there is a huge atrium with a 40-meter metallic object that's a shape of a Tick-Tac in there? Yes. They asked me to do it and we will do it. Yeah, you have to do that. I tell you, Joe, the processing is very nice, but requests a lot of calculations. So it is time-consuming. At the moment, we have some computers that are dedicated on J-Zsa and other projects that we are doing. And in the future, maybe we will have other machines that can work to do other things. but we will do it.

We need time, but we will do it. Now, are you absolutely convinced that this data is accurate or have any of the criticisms of any of the people that are trying to debunk it? Has any of that resonated with you and rang true? Is there any validity to any of the criticisms? Radar is only precise. The nice thing that has radar is the precision.

And especially from space. Because space, it is a very silent environment. You don't have noise, something. The platform is very stable. So when you transmit electromagnetic waves, they return back with absolutely precision. With absolute precision. And it's recreated over and over again

in these 200 plus scans that you've done with various different satellites, correct? Not just one, so that one could have errors. So you're convinced. I'm convinced. 100% because. Wow. I invented the method.

Yes, I know. But I tell you that I am happy if somebody can replicate things. So if other research groups can replicate the things that I'm showing, I am happy. Well, you got there first. Yes. So no matter what. I mean, if this is correct, you will go down in history as one of the most important figures in archaeology. Because if you are...

Thank you, Joe. You're welcome, but it's just a fact. If what you're saying is true, we're just recently discovering this in the 21st century, I mean, that's absolutely mind-bending. Thank you for this. Yes, I am happy for being in this, but not only me, other people helping me to do my work.

Oh, sure, of course, a lot of people. And in principle, my family. Yeah. These structures and this whole area, if this turns out to be something that you don't find just at the Giza Plateau, but around other parts of Egypt, I mean, there's always been a lot of speculation as to whether or not a civilization existed in sub-Saharan Africa, an advanced civilization that is in the area is not in Al-Sand. You could probably do that same sort of research there as well. Yes.

Yes, I agree with this. and we will do it. Yes. Wow. What is life like for you now having this exposed and now, you know, having this on the internet and all this speculation

and all this excitement? What has that been like for you? Yes. I am not very used on all this exposure on the internet. It is something that I have to get used of this. Yes.

my life is simple Joe I live in Italy but now I repeat this it is time to go ahead and go on the

Giza plateau and in person I wish to see the effective structure, how they are and the purpose of all the plateau, what it is. And is there plans to do that in person, to do some sort of excavation? Yes.

I wrote a project proposal, which is research and also not research, a proposal. And it's now, our intention is to submit this proposal. at the Egyptian authorities. If you want, I can explain you this proposal. Please. We are involving University of Ferrara, principal scientist Professoressa Vaccaro, Italian professor in, she's a geologist.

And other, and other governmental, Italian governmental, Italian governmental institutions that are very clever to do scans in situ scans. So we are not using my technique. We use the state-of-the-art technique that it is recognized by science today. And our intention is to concentrate the efforts on those shafts that I showed you, that we we have seen because we are not 99% convinced that or sure that those those are natural entrance into the the structures that are below that are located below because we have the vertical

structures and you saw on the on the tomographies you have also horizontal connections so there's corridors yes you have and how large are these corridors About they are tall, about three meters tall. Okay. So about nine feet tall? Yes, yes. That will, using these corridors, you will arrive directly inside the coils that we are, that we are visualizing, that we visualized before. So there's passages and shafts.

and these enormous ways that they can go back and forth in between these various structures. The thing that we have to do now is to clean those shafts. We have to do cleaning because now they are sand, debris. Yeah. And is there a timeline on when you would like to start cleaning these shafts and start doing this kind of stuff? Yes. It depends when we submit the project. The project is ready.

I know people that are living in Egypt that when we are ready we can submit the project proposal. Then we are at when the government, if approved the project, we can start. Now I would imagine that something like this, something at this scale would require enormous funding. Yeah. And how do you hope to acquire that? We can make, we can say people that this work is not for me, but it's for humans. And so people, we, we ask people to help us in getting money to perform the work. We have to ask people.

Have you reached out to any like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk type people that have tons of money that might be interested in doing something? like this? I don't know them, Joe. You don't know them? No. But maybe it's a big ask. Yes. It's a big ask. You know, asking a big ask a few billion dollars to go dig around under the pyramids. I mean, how much money do you think it costs to do this? We have to do, we did an estimation of the, an estimation about, I don't know, for maybe, maybe belonging for 20 millions or more. $20 million. Yes.

And this is just to clean the shaft and go underneath. And because, why so much money? Because we are, our intention is to work safety. I don't want that people has to go down the shaft and work. We want to use drones,

robots to make something automatically and so go down by using machines, not humans. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. And that way you can get accurate real-time video and... Yes, yes. Wow.

With cameras and... It will be something I am thinking about this. The most... Maybe it is one of the most ancient megalitic structure that we are dealing now can be recovered by the most modern technology that we have now today. And so we can recover modern and ancient together.

So you've been giving this presentation now. Yes. And even going around, what has that been like? What has the reception of it been like? Yes, a moderate positive reception. Moderate positive. So people that are like, if this is true, it's amazing, but you have to show me more. Yes.

Right. I tell you, in this project proposal, I am out. You're out. Yes. It is better than that University of Ferrara, that is one of the most important university in Italy, can stay there and manage all the work is better. Right. And I'm out.

Right. You showed them what's there. You showed them the technology. Now, good luck. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you and good luck. So tell me about this presentation.

So how do you set this up? I know you brought some of the slides of this presentation. Tell me how you set this up. How you? How you set it up. So how you explain it to these, when you have these semi-sceptical scientists, that are sitting down there, and you're going to tell them I'm about to rewrite human history. How do you set this up?

They were listening me very well, and they asked me things about how they... Everyone, the first thing that they ask me is how it works, and that's good. And so I slowly explain them how it works and how I arrived to make this presentation, to have our results and so on. And they, someone of them is skeptical, someone a bit less skeptical. Which is what you want.

Yes. You want healthy debate about this kind of stuff. A healthy debate, yes. Because it's the only way you find out what the truth is. Yes, only having a healthy debate, we can find what is the truth. I don't want to polarize, people for me

it's not my job well not only that it's not you're just discovering something yes this is something that's there and for people to just put on a skeptical lens and just not look at it at all is crazy yes like if you're skeptical

we should probably explore it and if you're wrong okay now we know it's not true but if it is true it's a crime to not investigate it's a crime to not investigate it's a crime to not investigate yes and I tell you the solution

to we don't we don't have to dig holes ruin the what is now preserved no we have to only clean enough we have to only clean

and we have to use what there is made it's for us because those shafts they are for us they are calling us we are our

our rights are to clean them and see what there is. And go down and explore them personally. Well, it just seems like these shafts exist alone, and they are at that depth that you describe, and they are the dimensions you describe. It really does lend credence to what you're saying. Yeah. Because it seems like there's a purpose for those things,

and if they do go down to the area where all these structures are, it seems like this. there's something there. In my best opinion, they were built purposely and if you see the their access points probably. Yes, they are just points. They are they were made probably to you know Joe when you go deep below the earth the temperature rises a lot so there is a certain ratio of where the temperature rises proportional to the depth. The you are going so the shafts are made purposely to take the their the function is to

transport air light and so cool what there is inside mm-hmm that makes sense yeah and also access show me some other other slides and other things that are in your presentation so you can get a more comprehensive understanding of what we're looking at okay yes this is that's a This is Ah, Mario Pinkerle. Mario Pinkerle was a researcher that he died

on 2011 and he was studying the Zed which is the multi-layer monument. Let's call it a monument but it's not a monument because it has a certain and very precise function that is inside

the pyramid. This is the And this is the outlined image in the lower left-hand corner. Yeah, that's the tomography that we have retrieved. Look, it's very precise. Right. It looks exactly like what it looks like in the actual image. What is that thing? What do you think the function of that thing is?

Yes. The function is this. It is, you see on the top of the structure, there is something like a cap. Yes, like a cap. That cap has a precise function to attract the vibration. It's an antenna in the vibration domain. Antenna in the vibration domain. Yes.

Attract the energy in terms of mechanical vibration and propagates them below. There are other slides, please. Okay. Here I did a simulation. Now I'm sorry because I don't have the video because this is a PDF, but I reproduced the function of the Z on the computer.

Okay. Okay. And look on the right side, we have all the values. vibrations that interacts one to each other to each liar. Look. And you can see that each liar, look how strange it is. Each liar, on the top of each liar, it is scattered.

Look, on the top of each layer. And the bottom is very flat. It's flat. So what is that? It is something related to filter. It is a low-pass filter, made by stones. Very crazy this. That's a low-pass filter.

A low-pass filter. What exactly is a low-pass filter? Yes. A low-pass filter is a filter that allows the transmission only of certain frequencies and reject other frequencies. So it is a stabilizer, frequency stabilizer. And low-pass a certain low-value frequency. Okay.

Right. And so this aligns with Christopher Dunn's theory that there was something underneath the pyramid that there was a chamber that they were using to generate vibration and that that vibration would go through the entire structure. Yes, and look, Joe, the last liar look, transmits directly inside

the so-called sarcophagus, That's not a sarcophagus there. And so what do you think that's what they call a sarcophagus, this immense granite box? Let's call it, yes, the granite box, yes. And inside the granite box was done to contain a man, a body. And that vibration, look, collapses at the center of the granite box where the man was lying down. So do you think there was actually a man inside that? So a person would lay in that box.

Yes. And what happened to them? I don't know. Whoa. So. I don't know. That's a simulation that I did, but it's precise. So you don't think it's for a dead body.

You think it's for a live body. Yes. And so a person would lay there and have some probably incredibly profound experience with whatever. Probably, yes. What do you think it was? if you just wanted to get crazy and put on the tinfoil hat and speculate what do you think it was

I mean what would happen to a person if they encountered this kind of vibration these kind of frequencies in this resonating granite box I can say something that is not scientific recognizes

yeah that's what I want maybe keep it up there what do you think maybe that person was ready to have an out-of-the-body experience induced. Oh, like a gateway.

A gateway to the spirit world. Look, on the top, you have the antenna. The antenna is recepting all the vibrations that transmits all the signal below directly inside the granite box. It's very exciting. And what do you think was generating these vibrations? Yes, the wind, the natural vibration of the earth and also some, let's say, the flowing of water.

Also the flowing of water. So there was also shafts that were, this is part of Christopher Dunn's theory, these shafts that reached the outside of space that he thinks were attracting space radiation. Can be. Yeah, there's another possibility. Yes, another possibility. He also had a theory that perhaps the lower chamber that's below the pyramid itself, that there was some mechanical device inside of there that was generating vibration. For this, it can be, yes, can be.

So some boom, boom, boom, through the entire structure. And this is creating this vibration. That's the antenna. You've got this filter through it. And then someone is laying in this sarcophagus, tripping balls. Is that? Whoa. That's crazy.

That's crazy. Do you imagine this entire structure was just built so that someone could have some sort of a bizarre out-of-body experience or psychedelic gateway experience? I think that's true. I think it's psychedelic Disney World. I do. I seriously. I had that epiphany like two months ago. Really?

Okay. I don't want to explain it, but yeah. Please do. I was looking at a picture of me when I was a kid. when I was a kid at like a Cedar Point, which is like roller coaster place, I was just thinking of how much effort we put in to making kids or young adults

have a wild experience. Yeah. That is only in reference, you only understand it if you live there. If you found Disney World now in a thousand years, you'd be like, what the fuck they worship mice? The fuck are you talking about. This is insane.

Look at all the pictures of mice everywhere. That's so true. But you'd see that giant castle and there's rides everywhere and you would have no idea what the experience of that ride would have been like, or the teacups. Right. It's nonsense.

It's fun for kids, but also would make them feel amazing, but also adding what this vibration stuff does and sound and music and all these other things. You can put them all together and be like, you could feel like a god. Yeah. If lightning hit the thing, you'd be like, what the... I don't know. I just had that wild idea one day. It's an interesting idea because you think people have always been fascinated by achieving

being novel experiences. And what more novel experience then? A 2,300,000 stone structure that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east, and west, aligns to the stars of Orion's belt. You lie inside a stone box and the vibrations hit you and you're in that box. Whoa, more, more, more, more, more. And naturally you go out of the body. Who knows what it does to the body and the mind, because we know that the mind is capable of

producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals. We also know that people have a very profound reaction to frequencies. That's why sound hits us so hard and we love music and just vibration itself. And this sound weapon that they just recently used in Venezuela, supposedly, to knock out all Maduro's troops. What could this thing have been? Yes. I am

relative sure that the principal actor of everything can be water vibrations so sound but we are dealing now to the third

thing so the purpose the exactly purpose of this maybe it can it can be also more than one proposes, more than one scopus of

the pyramids. The pyramids intended to be, now I am 100% convinced that the pyramids can be considered the tip of the iceberg of something of something very

huge that is composed by things that are below the earth and the pyramids that are up at the surface of the earth. So what do you think the reason for the design of the pyramid in that specific geometric shape? Yes, probably because they have to resonate with the universe.

In some... They have to resonate with the universe. The universe, Joe, it is not complicated. It's simple. Because the universe is constituted by things, the matter, the particles, the light, yes. But everything is regulated by some constants. There are the constants. So the velocity, the speed of the light, C, three,

three times 10 to the 8 kilometers per second. Then you have, so the loss of the light, so you have the electric constants, the magnetic constants, that arranges very well the law of the universe. So it is important that something that has to be well related to the place that we live to the universe has to contain very precisely the dimensions of recasting the constants of the universe.

And that's what you think the pyramids did? Personally, yes. Personally, yes. How old do you think they are? Yes, yes. Sorry, the Italian starts when I start speaking Italian. No, that's okay, that's okay. The thing that we can say for certainly is that the pyramids are older than the dates that are written on the typical history books.

So to see something that to say something very precisely, we have to go back in time into the ZapTEP. So more than 36,000 years ago, something happened to the earth. So the Zaptepe began, and in a time belonging, the Zeptap and the Great Flood were built the pyramids. So I'm sending you something, Jamie, that's very interesting. Yes. So do you have an idea? Do you have an estimation?

Like, what is your personal belief? Yes. We can't say exactly the year. So Zeptebi, let's explain to people what that is, since we're, I sometimes forget. Zeptebi is the thing that I described to Zahi Hoas, and he dismissed it. What is this? I've never heard of this. It's an ancient king's list.

Yeah. And it's a list of pharaohs that goes back past 30,000 years. Yes. And it's very inconvenient for modern academics. And so they like to portray it as myth. And then when it gets to the age of historically accurate pharaohs that we know of, Kufu and Khafrey, then they allow those hieroglyphs. But when you get all the way back to the 30,000 years ago,

they like to say that that's just mythology. Yes, it's true. But it is a matter of fact that Zeptafi. We have also other ancient megalithics that are very old, recognized very old. So we have to deal with that. Well, Go Becli-Tepa was a big problem. More than 11,000 years old, for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. And as we saw... Here it is. This is something that I actually just talked to Graham Hancock about. This is Stella as a limestone inscription discovered in 1858 near the Great Pyramid Complex of Giza, and the text describes a Pharaoh Kufu, who ruled from 2589 to 2566 BC, visiting the site and ordering restorations to existing structures, including a temple associated with the goddess ISIS. The Stella refers to ISIS as the mistress of the pyramid, a title that has raised

questions about whether parts of the Giza Plateau were already considered sacred before Kufu's reign. And although most Egyptologists date the stella itself to the 26th dynasty, more than 2,000 years after Kufu, its wording continues to draw attention because it betrays the pharaoh as a restore rather than the original builder. Whether inscription provides older traditional reflects later religious interpretation remains debated. But if this is accurate, this describes Kufu as restoring the pyramids. Yeah. Now, this exists throughout history. The temple of Tenochtatlan, where the Aztecs had, when they described it, they described it as the place where the gods were born. And they found it. Like, people think the Aztecs made the pyramids. They did not. No. There was some sort of a previous civilization that lived in Mexico prior to the people that called themselves the Aztecs or what we called the Aztecs. And they built. So there's a long. outstanding history of people repurposing existing structures and claiming them as their own. And if this Stella is accurate, and this was also in Fingerprints of the Gods, Graham Hancock's book. So I sent us to Graham, and his reaction was pretty interesting.

What he said to me was that there's a strong suggestion that the Kufu Pyramid might have been one of the three subsidiary structures alongside the Grey Pyramid's eastern flank. And all that looked like damaging evidence against the Orthodox chronology of ancient Egypt, it also challenged the consensus view that the Giza pyramids had been built as tombs and only as tombs. However, rather than investigating the statements from the Stella, the Egypt Childivs, they chose to devalue them in his quotes. They chose to say, oh, that's just inconvenient. it. But if they are describing it that way, that seems like this is a longstanding tradition of people finding things that exist. There's clearly ancient Egypt itself, dynastic Egypt, is a very complex society, very complex and very advanced society, even if they didn't build that

stuff. But it seems like they're saying the restorer. Yes, yes. I agree with you, Joe. I tell you, there are some facts that we have to observe, because I am used to observe, before I say something, I have to observe. So I am not, I say, an expert of pyramids because I am an engineer, I work on satellites, I am a space engineer, I'm not an Egyptologist. But I can observe. Inside the pyramids, they found a lot of salt that were attached on the walls. So they find salt. Why there was salt there? First.

Second, the shafts that we are dealing now, if we want to clean the shafts, why there is debris? why they are tapped so if the Great Flood is an historical parameter

recognized it so let's say 11,000 12,000 years ago let's say something like that I don't remember precisely the Zeptapi which is not recognized is 36,000 in the past

so between the Zeptapi and the flood, we can locate the pyramids and the sphinx. Wow. So the great flood we're looking at 11,000 plus years ago. Zeptepe, you're looking at 30,000 plus years ago. Yes. We can say I'm an engineer. I put myself in the center between 36,000 and 11,000. See if you can find some images of salt in the great pyramids because it is quite fascinating and if there was some sort of a massive rise of sea and massive flooding which is depicted in every single ancient religion from epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi talk about it

I mean it's like almost all cultures have a story obviously Noah and the ark in the flood in the Bible but this salt uh Joe two months ago I went for the first time to visit the pyramids found salt on the wall. There is still salt. And you think that salt is probably because... I taste it. It's of water, of the sea. Wow.

Yes. I forgot to bring it to you. Not just that, but there's so much salt that there's still salt there 11,000 years later, which is really extraordinary. And so you think that that salt is because the entire area was flooded.

Yes. And that's the reason why the shafts were flooded It didn't fill with debris. Yes. Right. Topped off with debris because everything just flooded into there. And then when the sea receded, so many years later, you left with salt everywhere. Yeah.

And that's why the reason that I don't want that people go to work inside the shaft because are dangerous. Can collapse the debris can collapse because you can have bubble of air and so it's dangerous. Right, right. Robots has to go. Right. Well, it makes more sense. Robots are safer. That's also like you do.

So everything is connected. The great flood, the Zaphtapi, and the pyramids. Wow. If it turns out. And I'm convinced with that. Yeah? I am convinced that maybe 18, that I go in the center, 18,000 or something like that, between 18,000 and 20,000. Well, what's crazy is, I mean, that pushes back that ancient civilization by 14,000 years.

Yeah. Which is at least 14,000 years. I mean, John Anthony West thought maybe 30,000 plus years did the construction of the Sphinx. That's what he thought. And when Robert Schock from Boston University, the geologist that started doing work on the pyramid and then, excuse me, the Temple of Sphinx. Yeah. And the water erosion, he's like, this is vertical. Yes, it's vertical fissures that come from thousands of years of rainfall.

And the last time there was like significant rainfall in the Nile Valley like that. That was 9,000 years ago. Yeah. So you're dealing with thousands of years before that of rain to achieve that kind of erosion. Yes. It is necessary now when that's why this research and this activity that hope we will do, it is very important. Yeah.

Because this, it is able to rewrite everything. I mean, really rewrite everything. Imagine if you could get something from down in those shafts in those corridors. something that you could date. Yeah. And you get a date back of 26,000 BC. You go, what? You know, I mean, this is,

it's not outside of the realm of possibility. That's what's so crazy about this. It just really does seem like we are getting more and more evidence that things are far older than conventional wisdom, the conventional narrative that's taught in schools.

Yes, how you agree. I agree because as I told you before, this is time, this is the time to see effective what, which is the exact date of construction, who made them and how they made them. But how could we figure out how they made it? That's the crazy thing, right? Because we don't even understand the technology they used to cut them. We don't know what they had. And that's the other thing.

If you're dealing with something that's 20,000 plus years old, 15,000 years old, what's going to be left? All the metal's gone, everything is eroded, the earth is reclaimed most things. Really, the thing that you have left is stone, which is pretty crazy. Yeah. And if we see the rooms, all the structures that are currently inside, let's say, the Keops pyramid, which I like it a lot. The Grand Gallery is very nice, fascinating. They have a precision, incredible precision. All those big, huge stones that is composed in the Grand Gallery is very exciting.

I like it a lot. Did you have any sort of fascination about the pyramids before this? Joe, I remember when I was young, very young. I used to, I had a... How you say? I had a personal computer, a very old one, and I was always playing always on something that... And there was the pyramids.

They were all the pyramids. And in that meantime, I realized that I liked the pyramids. And so I was very young. So the personal computer, you were just researching the pyramids? Is that what it was? Yes, yes.

Just looking at pictures and images. Yes, yes. Yeah. On the pyramids. So you always were fascinated by it. But did you have an understanding or even any questions about the timeline of civilization before this? No, never. So it only happened within the last few years.

Yes. Yes. I began, I began working. So being interested in pyramids starting from 2018. So it was right after you started. Yes. doing this research. Yes.

And you start saying, okay, what is this? Yeah. And so when you start to research on something that is our history, our past, our origins, because our origins are there. So we have to fetch, we have to find what there is there. Because it is important that we, it is important to research our origin, because we, it is important to research our origin. Because in this meantime, humanity does not know, we don't know who we are.

We don't know our origins. We don't know anything of who we are. And most of the answers can be found in studying the pyramids. Well, it certainly seems to be the greatest accomplishment that ancient humans had ever created. Yes. And if these humans were far more ancient than we currently. believe that is really really interesting yeah and it is for me very it is something that I have it always in my mind only to know how they did the how they

cut the stones how they have transported the stones and how I don't know how how how how everything it's all how how yes what gave them the idea like were there any previous pyramids because it's weird because the older you go the more the structures are. And the newer ones are kind of shitty. Yes. So, okay, so we went from that. We showed this antenna

and it goes into the supposed sarcophagus and these vibrations. What other things do you show in your presentation that are interesting? I show at principally all the structures that are under the Kafri Pyramid

and also under each pyramids. And also I describe the method on how going below without drilling anything. And so I showed them that there are, the entrances are there on our eyes. Everyone can see those shafts. And so why we are not exploring them? Why they are so dirty? Why they are so without any kind of work, of renew.

Maintance, yeah. I don't know why. Well, it seems like there's limited resources, first of all. Moabyes. Yeah. And also it seems like Egypt, an entire economy is based on tourism, an immense amount of tourism, because it's so fantastic. There's people from all over the world make a pilgrimage.

I also find a method to combine, so not stopping the tourism, no. So it is possible to combine the work and also the tourism. So we can delimitate the area, inside the area we work, and outside the area, safety. All the people can visit the Piraima, the Giza Plateau. Not only that, I think it will enhance tourism. Yeah. Because if this speculation proves to be fruitful and you start looking under it. there and you find that there there is evidence to all this it's just going to make

more people want to go oh yes I agree with you but you imagine Joe we will find the structures that are underneath no and maybe we can try to build a huge lift that carry people downstairs in safety or maybe not below for a lot but at a certain at a certain depth so they can also travel along the horizontal corridors that are present. And so they go up from the shafts and they go up to the Kafri Pyramid and they go away from the entrance here

and they go intercepting the pyramids. That would be amazing. Yes. I mean it would just be much more tourism. Yes. Yeah. And also the all eyes would be on Egypt. I mean, it would probably be a huge boost

their economy, it would probably be a huge boost to archaeology because more young people would get fascinated by it and want to study it. Yeah. And imagine also this. What can we find below down there? What can we find? This is a question that I am asking. Because if we watch the slide concerning the shaft that I want to clean, there are things inside.

I am showing that there are things located inside the chamber. Look, there is something. What is that? What are you seeing? We're talking about the shaft where it goes all the way down to the bottom and there's the chamber. Is that what you mean? That one, yes. Right there.

So that structure that is at the bottom. What's that? I don't know what's that. Right. It's very huge. Very huge. And it's at the bottom of this. shaft.

Look the horizontal corridors. Mm-hmm. And so there's more horizontal corridors during the, when you traverse down into the shaft. Then you, there's, you intercept. Right. Other corridors.

And how large are those corridors? By about three meters tall. So there's three, so there's these three meter tall shafts that go to the side, these corridors that go to the side. Yes. along the way and then also down at the very bottom. Yes.

And you're convinced of this. This is all accurate data. Right. And no one has ever sent a camera down there or anything? Those are human, man-made structure like a ring on another ring. Look, it is very clear. Right. If you observe the structure, those are man-made.

Right. And they go deep, very deep. And you can see the rubbish that is. is on the bottom. Oh, the debris. And that debris, you think, was a lot of it because of the flood? I am 100% sure of this. Yeah.

So the pyramids or the Giza Plateau, it seems to stop the functionality, the working. We don't know which kind of work we're used to do, but stopped because of the great flood. So we can go back in time in 12,000 years ago. And when people, the people that don't know if you're hearing this, like what great flood? That's just not, that's just a myth. There's a thing called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory and the Younger Dryas Impact Theory group that's been studying this. They now know that there was impacts to the earth that are allowed around the 11,800 year mark. And then I believe again in the 10,000 year range, Randall Carlson,

and it's probably the best guy to talk to about that, but that they find high levels of iridium, which is very common in space and very rare on Earth, but there's a layer of it. They also find these nanodiamins that they also discovered during the first Trinity explosion when they detonated the atomic bomb. They find these microscopic glass particles

that are created by the intense explosion interacting with the sand. So what is it called trinitite? trite, something's called? What are those nuclear glass? What is that called? Tritonite.

Is that what it's called? Something related to vitrification. Yes. So this exists all over the world and it exists all over the world when they do a core sample

at the same depth. And so this is a very strong scientific indicator of evidence that we've been hit. Yes. Yeah. But another scientific indicator is the debris.

Why there is the debris? Right. Why so much? So much. Right. Why so much? If we do carotage drilling of that debris inside the shaft, I don't know how deep we can go. So why there is all that debris there?

We don't know. Right. Which makes sense if there is a great flood that fills the pyramid with salt water. Yes. It probably washed all that sand into that gigantic vertical shaft. Yeah. Completely makes sense. Yeah.

And I tell you, Joe, if we do the chemical. a chemical exploration of that debris, we can find also a certain density of salt because we're mixed in the past by salty water and debris and soils. Also, you could get dirt from the very bottom and get some sort of organic material and carbon date that. And maybe you can get an understanding of like maybe when stuff was washed down to the bottom of that shaft.

Very interesting. Yes, it's possible. It can be possible. It was crazy if they did that and it lines up directly with the younger Gaius impact theory. I mean, that would be incredible evidence. Either way, just what it is, that we know that there's immense shafts. We know that they go many, many meters deep into the earth. And we know that there's these horizontal shafts along the way, these corridors along the way.

All of it is just nuts. We saw, I was looking at the Osiris shaft here. This shaft. Mm-hmm. Okay. Just near these other ones. When they found it, there was water down there they had to get out. And the water is not only cold, ice cold, it says.

It's clean enough to be drinking water. Whoa. And I don't know that it doesn't, it sounded like it refills itself. Oh, so there's a spring down there. Well, that is also the problem with the labyrinth. So the labyrinth that they have where there's this enormous atrium and this 40 meter long. metallic object that apparently is underneath there, and this is through ground penetrating

radar to discover this. I don't think they know what that metal is either. I think it's an unknown metal. But they built a dam there, I believe in the 1960s, and to help the farmers, and unfortunately that flooded that whole area. So because they changed the direction of the water and built this dam, the water table rose, and that entire labyrinth is now filled with water. But through ground penetrating radar, they've been able to get this.

accurate assessment of the dimensions of it. And then they go back to the descriptions of Herodotus who described it. See if you can pull that up. Herodotus described it as greater than the Giza Plateau itself. So these labyrinths, these corridors, these atriums, these huge passageways underneath the gray pyramid area, more complex and more spectacular than the pyramids themselves. Yes. My God. My God, like what was this civilization?

These people living in Africa, however long ago, were so much more advanced than perhaps anybody that's ever existed, including us, just in a different way, including us, just in a different way. Just to remark the fact, Joe, that there is difference between the water table, which of course is composed by drinkable water and the water that they found compounding the, you know, the Osiris shaft and the water that transported all the debris but that water was salty water because of the great flood so it was water of the sea composing the sea which makes sense when you see the salt that's all over the pyramids this is

Herodotus's quote I've seen it myself and indeed words cannot describe it though the pyramids beggar description and each one of them is a match for many great monuments built by Greeks, this maze surpasses even the pyramids. That is crazy. That's crazy that he said that. And have you ever seen any of the artistic renditions of what it looks like? No, but... See if you can find some of that, because we did it.

If anybody's interested in this, I can't recommend enough uncharted X. It's Ben Van Kirkwicks. This is what apparently is underneath this area, which is just... fucking staggering. Wow, how nice. This is all underground. And so I think the next site that we can study can be this. Yeah.

Yeah. And if you could find out what that 40 meter long metallic object is, that's when things get weird. That's when things get real weird. Because you find a spaceship down there, then things get really fun. I mean, we're Egyptian space travelers. Why not? I mean, if they could build that, why not space? Who knows what they could do?

They're lying in a gigantic stone box tripping balls. They have this huge pyramid. The structures go, how long? A kilometer the entire thing into the earth? 1.2 kilometers into the earth. From the base of the pyramid down, 1.2 kilometers. Wow. Wow.

This has changed, I mean, from 2018 to now, from you researching this. And does this change your entire perspective of human history and just human beings in general? In my personal opinion, yes. Because before this was a problem accepting how the pyramids were made, all those stones. But if we are adding also the structures that are underneath, I don't know what happens. Right. It's more impossible than before. Right.

More impossible than, I mean, if you'd imagine with modern technology, trying to recreate something like that, you're talking about an immense project that would cost hundreds of billions of dollars, if not more. And the engineering involved in it. I mean, you're an engineer.

The engineering involved in doing something like that, like, how? How they can cut the granite so precisely? It's impossible. It's impossible. Also today is impossible. So they had some sort of a technology that is far more advanced than we have. They just went in a different direction.

We went in the direction of internal combustion engines and electronics. And they probably went in some completely different direction. Yes, because the model science started from a point. And then as you are saying right, we followed a direction. which is the direction of light because most of our inventions our internal combustion engines and

and other stuff but principally we use light because we can see it we can see light okay we use light but other existence other people that was

living in the past maybe use it other things that we don't know. Maybe sound. Maybe sound. What seems like if this is generating sound and vibration, if your speculation is correct, that they were obsessed with vibration and sound. Yes.

They were obsessed in vibrations and sound. Because all the structures that I watched inside the pyramids, they are like something that generally generate sound or they maintain clean the sound. It resonates sound. It resonates sounds. It has a very specific echo to it. The Z, like that, is magnificent.

The Z is perfect. It's a perfect device made by stones. It's very nice. And just how, how and where did they get the understanding to construct something like this? And this is what screws up our idea of a linear timeline of human progression in civilization to go from caveman to modern 2026 human being. We like to think that it was just, oh, we figured this out, then we figured the wheel out,

and then it was agriculture. Now here we are today with cars. But more likely, there was some peaks in valleys. We rose up to a very high level, probably during Egypt, and it was shattered down, and It took probably a long time before civilization rebuilt itself again. Yes. Joe, and then we are speaking about modern living, but modern living has to be sustainable.

Right. I don't think that our modern living is so sustainable. No. No. I mean, even our population isn't sustainable. No. We're in population to collapse in many countries in the world, South Korea, Japan, even there's arguments about America itself.

that we're in population collapse. Yeah. And we're also chaotic. We also have a very bizarre distribution of information that's filled with nonsense and lies and propaganda. Yes, lies and propaganda, yes. We have the government that's constantly trying to censor people and control speech and limit your ability to express yourself

and complain about things so they can continue to dominate resources. We have a weird society today. But it's also a society because of this access to information where you can discuss and explore things in a way that has never happened before. And that's the most exciting thing about our time. There's so much room for discussion. I want to, if I can,

to explain you something that is maybe related to philosophy or to other things. We have an example of how modern humans are a bit strange because we are not made it is like that we are not made to research

or to find the harmonics the harmonics in our living and so I just want to make an example do you remember in the 80s when the cold fusion rises. Yes, yeah, yeah.

Maybe we are speaking about fleshmen and pawns that made for the first time, they had a glass of water, and inside they made a mini nuclear reactor inside. They had some results that were very, very poor results, I know, but was a base to build something stronger. They put away that, that experiment so no they debunked that experiment it was not good it is not good because it is not

possible and the example of the cold fusion is how we are because cold fusion was devoted to find the energy using resonance why how it works cold fusion we have two atoms we have two atoms of of hydrogen, we start putting together these two atoms. But while we put together these two atoms, there are the atomic forces that tends to, no, I don't want to stay with the other other. But then there is a limit that the atoms fuse together. And it transformed, it is, they are transformed in helium plus energy.

because of the mass difference. And so you can do energy by fusion. This is fusion, not cold fusion. So you can have a fusion by forcing together the atoms that they don't want to stay together. So the force, force together. And that is hot fusion. That is hot fusion.

Cold fusion, you convince the two atoms to stay together naturally. Okay? So today... What method do they use to convince these atoms to stay together naturally? Yes. You have to find a third material

that convince the two atom to stay together. Like you say, I have a couple. You have a couple. A girl and a man. They don't want to talk, one to each other. If you put a third person, between them at the center of them

and she and maybe a third person convince the man and the girl to speak together and they will speak together. So the third material which is palladium. They used palladium. Palladium

has a physical property to make speak together the two atoms and without force them they naturally transform into helium and they generate energy because the helium

has a mass lower than the two atoms. With mass difference, you will generate energy. And doing this at scale is really the holy grail of modern science. This has always been the quest. Yes. So we have two paradigma. Convincing

something or obtaining the results using the force. And so the the street that you were speaking before, science had this street, we want to have things by using force, not convincing. Right, and that's where we are. Yes. That's nuclear power.

Yes. Nuclear energy. Yes. Because I tell you, today also hot nuclear fusion does not exist because it is very difficult to make a huge reactor

that use the Tocomax or something related to laser that uses that forces together the atoms to be something not natural. Code fusion was natural and so the pyramids are something related to vibrations

to harmonic resonance to something like that that it is the the right creation, that was the past. They were the right creation. They were doing it the correct way. Instead of doing it against nature, they were doing it in harmony with nature.

In harmony with the nature. And in the universe. And that's why all the dimensions are related to the constants of the universe. The universe is like a book that is open. We have to just observe it. And it's not difficult. It's very simple to read the universe.

Okay, show me more. Show me more of this presentation. What else do you have in here when you go from the cap with the sound resonating into the supposed sarcophagus? Yes. Yes, we can go to that slide. This stuff is awesome. This is my favorite subject, by far. Have all subjects, ancient history, and particularly ancient Egypt, is my favorite subject.

Okay, we stop to Pinkerly. It's so undeniably interesting. If we can go a slide-up, here look here we are dealing with something that happened in 2020 after this

after our paper was published because these results are on our first paper look Joe that slide there that the lower left slide yes

you depict chambers that were previously not known yeah that's the big void right the big void that's the big void and then there is the Chevron connecting with the corridor the base of the Grand Gallery that corridor was discovered six months later by Zagiawasse wow they made the paper but the I depicted six months before so you let them know it was there and then

That's the corridor. I found it. That's the corridor. I don't want to say that I found it, but... Well, you found it. I'll say it. You found it. So your technology showed something that turned out to be true and is now established.

Yes. And again, how crazy is that they're just finding new chambers in the pyramids in the 21st century? Pretty spectacular. Yes. That they're just finding this now. And just yesterday, I was to examine it again. I don't have it. I don't have slides here.

I am sorry. But there are the results of the Scam Pyramid Project. The Scam Pyramidivoid is very good. It is a very nice project group. And they discovered the so-called Big Void. but there is a problem because they say the big void can be something

parallel to the Grand Gallery so not steady but inclined like inclined right examining their results I was observing

something maybe I say maybe I can say that I am right of this maybe they are they are confusing an inclined new

chamber by the top of the they are distinguishing the top of the Grand Gallery and the bottom of the Grand Gallery like that. I observed the results but in my personal opinion

the big void is not inclined but it is located where there is that red blob there That's the grand gallery. Yes, there and also up. Yes, that's the grand gallery. It is not inclined.

It is flat like that. It's how you say, is steady, not inclined. Right. That's the grand gallery. Why do they think it's at an incline? Because we are not seeing, we are not, my technique does not detect, is not detecting an inclined chamber

on the top of the grand gallery. Why do they think there's an incline? Yes, because they found two targets parallel. But I am feeling to tell them to be careful because maybe they are confusing the roof of the Grand Gallery and the lower part of the Grand Gallery. I see. Okay.

They have to be careful. Interesting. But it's just also more evidence that your techniques are very effective. and accurate. Because you did describe it. Yes. We can see the results that I obtained

that I obtained on the Grand Sassau. We can see the Granzasso and the laboratory of Granzasso. That is a perfect benchmark that describes as the effectiveness of my technique. All right, show me some more. What else you got here? Show me another slide. below I think.

Ah, okay, okay. We go to Gubyo. This is a town where I live. I am... This is Saqsehuaman, right? Saxo-Haman, yes. This is Saxo-Haman.

And here I am showing you the next work that we can do once the Giza scanning activity are finished. So this is in Peru, correct? Yes.

And so you want to scan this as well because you know we've had quite a few people on describe this look Joe the stones are like much marshmallows yes they are like marshmallows how they did those those right things there enormous so of them a hundred tons carved from stones that who knows how they put them into position but they carved them in this very strange way to absorb the impact of earthquakes right yes the idea of this technology is that the reason why they're like a puzzle piece is because it would be must or less likely to move in an intense earthquake. Okay. Go back with the ape.

Ego, just a few words on this city that is a small town that is located in Perugia, where I live. Look, the Italian, the authority of the city, of the town, asked me to perform. form scanning around that Colosseum, that is located in Gubio, because probably there is a huge Roman city, not so old, but it is a Roman city that compounds that arena that is there. So a lost Roman city that's around that area. Yes, yes. And I say hello to the people of Gubio. So is this the next thing?

that you're going to do? One of the next things? One of the next. But Saxo Ihuamon. Yes, Saxoamaman. Yes. Yeah. And there is also

Kara Kora also. Very interesting. The slide 51, please. Yes. Yes. Caracora, yes. This is

located in Russia and there are huge structures inside there. And this is in Russia. Yes, yes. And nobody knows the purpose of those things there. Nobody.

It's crazy. More than crazy. And how big are these things? Can you keep that up there, Jamie? Let's keep this up just for a couple seconds. I just like, how big are we? What are we looking at here? Yes, we have nine plus 16, plus seven, plus 10, plus 36, and they go below.

So maybe two or three hundred minutes. meters below. Two or three hundred meters and there's this immense rectangle at the bottom of these corridors. Yeah and it goes more more deeply and so they nobody knows what there is. And if you look at that image it's clearly a man-made structure. It's man-made absolutely yes. I mean look there's stones, they're placed yeah that is nuts. That's crazy and they don't there's no historical timeline, no understanding of who did it. No. Wow. So it's likely that there's structures like this that exist that are undiscovered probably all over the world.

Yeah. Yes. The nice thing of this is this. Satellites are global, globally. So one satellite flies from, let's say, South Pole, North Pole, South Pole, like that. Right. Because of the angular momentum conservation, let's say the wheel of the orbit remains steady.

And the earth rotates inside this circle. The circle remains steady. Right. So at least once a day, one satellite can observe, potentially, any part of the globe in one day. So you can probably. program snapshots where you want in all the earth

in one day. And how many satellites are up there? There are the satellites that contains on board of them a payload composed by a synthetic virtual radar. There are a lot.

There are different satellites companies that provides these services. So today it is possible to decide to observe something, okay, I call the company and they put case for me an image. And this structure in Russia, how was this initially discovered? Was it discovered by explorers?

Manually, by explorers. Manually. Yes. And how did they get the dimensions of it? Are people able to go all the way down into it? Yes. That man, because there is only a man that went down because it's very narrow, but once you go down, everything becomes.

very huge and large, measure it manually all those depths. But more than then, you can't go because maybe it's too narrow. I don't know. Okay. Did you find any images of that, Jamie, online? I'm looking into something. Someone was sort of saying that's in a different spot, and now I just try to track it down. These are also weirdly only getting talked about over the last month, so I am digging down a day.

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That's crazy. The fact that they don't know who made it or why, but it is clearly manmade. You're seeing these stones perfectly cut, stacked on top of each other. Yes, and you have the same... Oh, okay. It says it's currently known from fringe,

social media and YouTube-style sources rather than former archaeological publications because it hasn't been explored, correct? Yeah, it's 15 years ago, though. Yeah, pretty nuts. But I mean, who's doing that kind of work in Russia, especially now? Deep underground shaft lined with large parallel megalithic stone blocks with walls described as straight and polished, suggest artificial construction rather than a natural cave or fissure. And this is all from our sponsor perplexity that we run all our questions through.

And it's always been very accurate. Said to lie somewhere between, in the Russian caucus, often described simply as North Caucus or, Caucasus Mountains, with videos and post presenting it as evidence of unknown or very ancient civilization with advanced stone working techniques. Crazy that they don't know who made this. There's no accessible peer-reviewed archaeological articles, official Russian heritage records, or academic monographs that describe the site formerly named the Karahora. Is that my saying that right? Karahorha Shaf. Karahara Shaft, which strongly suggests the claim has not been vetted by mainstream archaeology, but, you know, look, it exists.

Whether it's vetted or not, it doesn't matter. Like, who made it? What is it? Nuts. That's really crazy. I had no idea that that existed. And it's just, it makes you think, like, if they just found that in 2011. Manually.

Right. And maybe doing a wide research by satellites, maybe starting from there or other sites, between that that Carajora maybe we will find other things Right, it could be a part of an enormous complex Who knows? But just the fact that that exists And that a human made that

Or humans made that, that's crazy The whole thing is crazy Because it really does Like anybody that, boy, modern archaeologists and people that are the gatekeepers of archaeological information are fighting an uphill battle Because like you can't

At a certain point time you have to give up and go I don't know And that's an I don't know moment. Yes, this is an I don't know moment. What the hell is that? What is that? Show me some more images, Jamie, because it's really kooky. Of the shaft?

Yeah, just what that looks like. I'm trying to, it's, I'm digging on a hole in it. There's a post here on Twitter. Yes, there are not so many. This is a, like, they're misinterpreting something. This is Jay Anderson, who's been on the podcast recently. This is the tweet I found. How about some fat chank, Carajara, in the Cabardino,

Balkria Republic, North Caucus of the Russian Federation, is a different place from Caracoto. So Carahora and Caracoto, so there's more than one place. That's me. I'm trying to, I'm just Googling stuff. It all comes from this one video, it seems like, because everyone's

pointing to this video, and this video is compiled of all sorts of stuff. It's got 3 million views from 2024, so I can see how it goes when it went viral, you know. But it starts off with just showing that. And I don't you know. So this is probably the entry

to this area. Maybe, but again, no one knows they can't tell you where that is on a map. Right, got it. Look how precise they are. So this might be Who knows? Yeah, it could be real, could be nonsense. Well, the images of that guy standing there looking outside of that opening

that you showed earlier in your presentation is just bananas. But whatever this is, fucking. That's where I don't know where it's from, you know, it could be. Right. Do they have any video of once they got all the way down through. So here, okay, let's keep going. See what it looks like.

And I don't even know. Yeah, so someone else has done narration on it. It's coming from a different channel. I can see a tag on there. It's coming from a different show. God, look at the right angles, though. This is nuts. Yes.

I mean, it clearly looks like something manmade. Look how precious. Yeah. It's crazy. No, that's manmade. It's absolutely manmade. There are also a comparison with the dimensions of the dimensions. Wow.

What the hell is that? It's crazy. What the hell is that? It's crazy. And they found it in 2011. I mean, imagine how much more of this stuff. I mean, that's one of the things about Gobeckli-Tempe. They've only observed 5% of it.

I mean, 5% of it they've uncovered. And through ground penetrating radar, they know of multiple sites nearby. Yes. But ground penetrated radar has a problem. What is the problem? The problem of ground penetrated radar is the penetration depth is a few meters enough. So there is a problem of penetration depth. But in that depth, you are very precise.

So you have to take into account that more than 15, 20 meters below you can't go. Right. But using that method they have found, all these structures that exist to allow. It's a good method for in situ exploration, yes. And so you can find nice things with using ground penetrating radar. If you want to perform a wide area rough, let's say rough scanning, you can use my method. So you can find huge things on wide area.

For the details, it's okay, ground penetrating radar. Is there anything else you want to show us that's in your presentation that you think? Show me some more stuff. Yes, it's a pleasure. Yeah, please, it's a pleasure for me too. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you.

Thank you for inviting. Karahorah, is that how you say? Karakora. Karakora. Karakora. So this is Karakora. So that image, go back one more time to Karakora. So that's a legitimate image.

That's not AI generated. This is these guys standing in clearly looks like megalithic stones stacked on top of each other. Clearly manmade. Yes, clearly manmade because look, you see the blocks. Yeah, you see the blocks. It's fucking nuts. No, but okay, we can understand that it's possible, maybe. It's possible to build something like that.

Sure, it's possible. But the purpose and when and who and what civilization? Right. Who did that? That is insane. What even is that? Yeah. I mean, there's ropes that go across, and that's what you're seeing.

And you're seeing this. Where's his arm and where's the rope go to? Well, he's got his arm posted on the side of that wall, and that rope goes across, and you're just not seeing it because of the darkness. Is that like he's leaning against something there, too? It looks like he's got his hand on that wall, that opening. There's an opening in that shaft.

So what else is next in this, in this presentation? Okay. Which way should I go? Okay, we go upstairs. Let's see. Go back Itepe. Then we have Gubio. And here we have the Osiris shafts, which we use this shaft, the Osiris shaft, like a benchmark,

because we are able to understand the effectiveness of our technique that is able to retrieve the shape of the Osiris shaft. Why the Osiris shaft? Because it's a benchmark that we know exactly how it is, established. And and and. So it accurately depicts the Osirish out. Yes. Yes. Um, what else?

Okay. Let's go there. Okay. Um, 43. 43. Yes. This is the Sanghotard tunnel. And here I made an exploration on or using my technique in order to

retrieve the shape of the railway tunnel. That it is. approximately two kilometers below the mountain. And the slide 44, we can understand that in this case, the Alps, the mountain resonates like a crystal. So you are seeing, you are watching the mountain in the vibrational domain.

It's like a photograph, a photo, pick up or synthesized by sound. And in that case, we can see the slide 45 and 46, we are detecting the tunnel. The tunnel, yes, that's the railway tunnel that is located below the earth. Wow.

So this is just more proof of the accuracy of the technique. Yes, yes. This is some really stunning stuff. Yes, I can explain. new other experiments. We can go starting from slide 36. This is a dam and it is a very important dam. It is a very important dam. It is the Mosul Dam that is

located in Iraq. It's very huge. It's 300 meters tall as a height of 300 meters and 3 kilometers from one part to the other part of the dam. So it contains a huge amount of water from the upper side. There is the water that contains and

below there there is the river that the water comes out from the reservoir that is on top. Why the Muslim dam? The Muslim dam has a problem. It has been built on

a bed of Jeph-Sso, how you say Jepsym? Gepsum, yes. And Jepsoom is a while in contact of water it melts. So the Mosul Dam is

dangerous because it has a serious problem of stabilization. In this case there are a lot of that's called satellites methods and synthetic virtual radar methods that are devoted to

perform the so-called infrastructure monitoring. And in this case, the Mosul Dam is crucial to be observed by radar. In this case, I wanted to see the slide 37, please.

Here. Inside the dam, look, there is a tunnel. The red line. The tunnel. And here we have we have people that are

working inside the tunnel and the task was my technique with my technique is possible to detect the tunnel we go in slide 38 okay and we see

on the right top there is the tunnel just to explain you where you see red the vibration energy is high so is red when you see blue, the vibration has energy is low, okay, it's low

and inside the tunnel because you have the air, you don't have vibration, so it's low. And so you see the tunnel. Okay. And so we were also able to detect slide 39.

Also the principal facility that are located inside the dam, which are the turbines. The turbines. and other stuff and all the mechanical machines this is the all the mechanical machines this is the all the mechanical machines that are located inside all right so it's showing the accurate shape of the turbines as well so this is just more proof that this technique works yes and so we go slide 31 okay here this is the Grand Sasso

how nice is this is for me very nice because I born here. This is the particle collider. Yeah. Inside the mountain, in the core of the mountain, there is the laboratory here. And the task was, can I detect the facility that is inside the mountain? And so we are now in the slide 32 and 33. and we can see

the facility that is ENFN is the Instituto National of Physical Nuclear You see the shape of it in there National Institute

of Nuclear Physics the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics And that's more than a kilometer deep into the mountain 1.4 And yes

and slide 35 we can see we can see the laboratory. Wow. Yeah, this is the laboratory. That's crazy. That's crazy. So using your techniques,

you get an accurate depiction of the dimensions of this laboratory. Yeah. Wow. And that triangle is called the interferometer. So when you have two lasers, that goes together and they,

and it, you can start study the pattern, the interference pattern that coherent signals are generating, you can use an interferometer. And that's the interferometer. Wow. This is all amazing stuff. It's amazing. And I feel like we're at the beginning of a very fascinating journey. Yeah. And I think that your work and this research and all the controversy is good. All the controversy around it is just going to make more people talk about it, more people discuss it and more people understand. And, it just seems to me that the more they research it, the more the mystery opens up, and that it is, without a doubt, one of the most astounding discoveries in human history.

Yes. So, thank you, Joe. Congratulations on discovering it, and thank you so much for all your hard work, because, I mean, like I said, is to me one of the most fascinating subjects. And, you know, what Graham always speaks of is that we are a species with amnesia. Yes. And I agree with this, with that. And, you know, it's one of the reasons why so many people are mad at him. It's because he was right.

He was right in the 1990s, you know? And as time goes on, he is being proven more and more to be correct. And things just seem to keep getting older. Yes. It's amazing. Thank you so much for being here. I really, really appreciate your time and I appreciate your work. Thank you for inviting me.

My pleasure. Let's do it again when more stuff comes out. Okay. I'm here. If anybody wants to find more about this, where would you send them to? Is there a website that would give them more information if they want to do a deep dive? Yes.

I have a personal website which is harmonic sar.com and I publish the... Say that again, harmonics... Sar. Synthetic aperture radar is SAR. So Harmonicsar.com. Yes.

Philippo Biondi. I'm me. You're the man. Thank you, sir. Thank you. I really appreciate you. Thank you. All right.

Bye, everybody.