The Joe Rogan Experience - #245 - Robb Wolf

Episode Date: July 26, 2012

Joe sits down with Robb Wolf.

Experience. You've sort of like this whole thing, this paleo solution, your book is like I think started like a new level of people thinking about health and about like what the body is naturally supposed to be breaking down. And how did you do that? How did you like figure out what so many before hadn't? out what, you know, so many before hadn't? Well, you know, I've got to give a bunch of credit to my professor, Lauren Cordain, because he's the guy that did a ton of the research really early on. So almost 15 years ago, further back than that, I was a California state powerlifting champion. I was into kickboxing. I was totally into athletics and all that. And always trying to figure out what's the best way to fuel my body, like looking for better performance. And I tried a high carb, low fat vegan diet. And I went from 185 pounds, able to back squat almost 600 pounds down to 135 pounds and like sick. I had all kinds of gut

problems, ulcerative colitis, irritable bowel, like all kinds of poop related stuff. And this idea of the paleo diet, just, it was kind of weird how it got onto my radar, but I was kind of thinking, okay, these, these Neolithic foods, grains, legumes, and dairy seem to have some problems for us with regards to health. And so I started eating that way. And then I was a research biochemist at the time doing lipid metabolism research related to cancer and autoimmune disease. at the time doing lipid metabolism research related to cancer and autoimmune disease. So I was able to experiment on myself and then also do some research.

And that's how I, you know, this whole kind of evolutionary biology thing got on my radar and opened a gym, started, you know, using this with our clients. Our gym made Men's Health Top 30 Gyms in America within a couple of years. And then the book has been on the bestseller list for like two years. And like, there's been no marketing budget, nothing other than just like word of mouth. People buy the book, they get benefit and then they, you know, they just go from there. That's pretty incredible, man. That's, that's a, like a diet revolution. And, you know, I've talked to a lot of fighters that, uh, take it. Uh, I know Frank Mears on a paleo diet. I'm sure a lot of other ones are as well. There's a ton of people, you know, I've talked to a lot of fighters that take it. I know Frank Mears on a paleo diet. I'm sure a lot of other ones are as well.

There's a ton of people, you know, and I just encourage people to tinker with something. Like there's a lot of guys doing vegan diets right now and they see a performance boost. That's totally cool. Like I think that people should get in, maybe get some blood work before they start a change. Track biomarkers of health and disease. Do it for 30 days. See how they look, feel, and perform, check it again. Like it should be really empirical. Like there's some theory behind all this stuff, but you should really get in and it should be your personal experience that dictates this. And if it's not making you perform better,

if you don't sleep better, if your body comp isn't better, then do something else. Is a paleo diet good for everybody or are there some different body types that would enjoy a different diet? Or do you think that that's like the optimum diet just for human beings? I think it's good for everybody, but within that, some guys are going to do pretty well on low carb, other people are going to bonk and they're going to do terribly. Just for the total layman, when it comes down to nutrition, explain to people exactly what it means, the paleo diet. It means what people ate essentially during the Paleolithic period. Yeah, and this is a period of time when we really changed from the previous ancestors when you look in the anthropological record.

And when you look at our genetics, it's pretty darn similar to what the people were living during the Paleolithic time. darn similar to what the people were living during the Paleolithic time. And we can kind of verify that with different, like there's this place, the Max Planck Institute of Evolutionary Genetics in Leipzig, Germany, and they do all the kind of scientific validation of this stuff. But at Brass Tacks, really, it's talking about eating lots of fruits and vegetables, roots and tubers, lean meats, and kind of steering away from grains, legumes, and dairy, these newer foods that for a lot of people cause a lot of problems. That's a fascinating thing when you think about it, how our technology and our ability

to process food and grow food and store food has evolved much faster than the body is capable of doing on its own. Right. It seems like it's kind of a fascinating thing with human beings is that we essentially have the same bodies that cavemen did, but we have all this new stuff that we've sort of added to the mix, and we haven't really figured out what the long-term effects of this are. Yeah, and everything from sleep,

like if you start doing some Googling around on sleep and health,, you know, we don't sleep the way that we used to. We used to, the sun went down and we went down. You know, the sun comes up, we get up. Now we have this extended photo period. We have light on us all the time and it messes with our circadian rhythm, the way that we release melatonin, the way that we heal. melatonin, the way that we heal. So the whole lifestyle package, exercise, nutrition, lifestyle, the way that we don't really interact with a social group, the way that it's kind of wired in. I think that that's why things like CrossFit, different gyms, different social networks are really valuable for people because we're tribal in our DNA. We seek that out. And if you

don't have it, it fucks with you. It damages you. Wow. That's interesting. So what's fun about CrossFit is that you become a part of a team and you all work together and you're like fellow CrossFitters and you, yeah. Well, I see that for sure in jujitsu. I see that in martial arts. It's always been the case in martial arts. You know, your, your gym becomes like your family. Yeah, yeah. The exercise becomes almost secondary. It's like making sure that you see people. Yeah, that's true. That's definitely true. It is fascinating how our needs are essentially the same,

but wow, have we done a crazy job of changing our environment. Right. In such a short period of time. It's almost like we just really can't keep up with that. What we've been able to do, our body just can't keep up with it. Yeah, and you know, plane travel and shit like that. And if you look at some native populations,

like they are crushed by type 2 diabetes and autoimmune diseases. And they were eating basically a paleo type diet, maybe only a couple of hundred years ago. So, you know, depending on your genetic ancestry, you might be able to. So, you know, the, depending on your genetic ancestry, you might be able to deal with, you know, high fructose corn syrup or something a little bit better than somebody else. It's maybe like native American or, or African American because their ancestry is just, just young enough with regards to being exposed to this modern environment that they don't cope with it. Like it's that much more damaging to them.

Wow. So what about processed foods? What about like ingredients and processed foods? What are the long-term negative effects of, you know, you hear that processed foods are bad for people. What are the long-term effects of eating something that has so much preservatives in it that it can just sit around? You know, you just look around and you look at like the diabetes epidemic and, you know, autism spectrum accelerating. It's just everything from cancer, diabetes, heart disease, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, all of this is related to this process called inflammation. And inflammation is kind of an overactivity of the immune response and interesting with the cordyceps product it actually modulates the immune response it makes the immune system do what it's supposed to do whether you're under stress or exercising or whatever and that's kind of the benefit of that stuff and the negative part of the way that we're

living we don't get enough sleep we eat the wrong types of foods we don't really exercise enough and all of that kind of sends a weird signal to our immune system, and it tends to make you diabetic, or it can make you autoimmune, or it can accelerate things like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. So, you know, we're facing, there's some projections, and this is from, like, you know, governmental agencies that are as orthodox as it gets. We're looking at by, like, 2030 that, you know, we're going to have a 300% of GDP being allocated to our debt. And then most of that being allocated to health care. And it's nuts. We know more about disease and cancer and everything than we've ever known.

But yet people are getting sicker faster than they ever have. It's crazy. than they ever have. It's crazy. And it's just a lack of nutrition and the lack of supplying the body with what it's always had. What it's really wired up to eat. The essentials, the vegetables,

the fresh vegetables and fresh meats. Why does stuff that's processed taste so fucking good? Why is Twinkie so delicious? There's a bunch of food chemists that put all their kids through school by figuring out there's this thing called palatability and if you can make something hyper palatable like it tastes so good then you actually override the mechanisms in the brain that normally tell you i'm full like if you sit down and eat some chicken and some fruit and like some yams, you'll eat until you're full and

you're done and you're not going to get up and, you know, dust another plate of that. But when you tinker with these foods and you make them really crunchy, you add some salt, you add some high fructose corn syrup, these things become hyper palatable and it turns off the part of the brain that tells you I'm full. And it would be like, you know, you're filling up your gas at the gas station. And if you turn off the mechanism to know when the gas tank is full, it's kind of the same analogy. Like you just keep pumping stuff in there, and you have a disaster brewing. How does someone get to be like 700 pounds?

You see these people that have to get cut out of their houses. Is that even possible without processed foods? I don't think so. I don't think so. And it's usually liquid foods. That didn't exist before, right? Just super rare. You know, hospitals are retooling everything. Hospitals, fire departments, police departments are being forced to retool everything that they have. Their beds, their gurneys, even the openings in their doorways because people are getting so big.

And it never happened in the past. You know, 1950s, it never really happened like that. And we ate a little more fat. We didn't have as much processed food. We didn't have high fructose corn syrup. People tended to sleep a little more. Like the sleep is big, even though I'm like the food guy. I'm always talking about sleep because it just messes you up. And when you don't get enough.

When you look at those turn of the century people, they were all like little wiry dudes. Right. Looked like they could just work all day. Yeah. A little wiry dude, work all day. And they they did yeah it's weird how how much people have changed like the average size for a man was like 125 pounds you know like we don't realize like how fucking big we've got right and not like relatively quickly yeah not good big at all yeah it's weird it's weird that it can happen so quickly there's a photograph from

at least like the turn of the century and there was a guy it was a sideshow and this guy played the fat man in a sideshow i don't know if you've seen this yeah the image came out like kind of recently because it's ridiculous because the guy's not even that fat right by today's standards like there's no way you would pay to see him but back then it was like whoa what the fuck is this freak yeah yeah i guess you would have to eat insane amounts of like regular good healthy food to get But back then, it was like, whoa, what the fuck is this? He was literally a side-chill freak. Yeah. I guess you would have to eat insane amounts of regular good healthy food to get that big. And you notice that thing again where you get full from real food, so it's really hard to overeat it. But if you have something that turns off literally the mechanism in your brain that says, I'm full. If that never kicks in, then you can just keep going and going.

It's so creepy, but yet so delicious. Indeed. Therein lies the problem. It is so delicious. Do you allow yourself cheat days where you eat shitty foods? You know, I do some Mexican food and I do like some corn tortillas and stuff like that. I'm super allergic to wheat. So it's just, that stuff's just a no-go. Like it can't happen.

No wheat at all? None. Your whole life? You know, I was sick as a kid a lot and it was probably all like wheat notes and and stuff like that holy shit so I'll kick my heels up it but I tend to like to burn my carbs more from booze so good move so actually you actually count your carbs just go hmm I don't really count it but if I'm gonna if I'm gonna shit the bed on something I'd rather be alcohol than like twinkies or something yeah right yeah yeah twinkies is just

a horrible feeling when it's over it's like what did i do it's just so just so much disappointment you know when i eat like a ring ding or something like that right as soon as you're cleaning your fingers i'm like what the fuck dude really you want another one. Yeah, I usually don't. Usually I'm disgusted with myself after one. And it's really hard to get a good night's sleep if you shit your bed also, I would imagine. You need a lot of beds around. Yeah. You need some options.

With Twinkies? Is that what you're saying? Twinkies make you shit yourself? No, he said that if he's going to waste any of it, he would shit the bed. And then earlier he said that he needs a lot of sleep, which I agree. I spend a lot of money on mattresses because I need a deep sleep. And so I spend as much money as I can on just the bed. I think that's – so many people spend like $30,000 on a car,

and they're in it for like 10 minutes to go to work back and forth. But you're in your bed half of your life and like people buy like a 800 hour mattress like with springs going up your ass and stuff like that you guys should have sleep numbers sponsors a fucking mattress shouldn't really cost more than 800 bucks it should yeah exactly it should those tempropedics it seems like they just slice those bitches out of a box they the tempropedics aren't that comfortable i i just got it i just of a box. The Tempur-Pedics aren't that comfortable. I just got a new mattress because I couldn't take the cat pee smell in my bed anymore. Details.

He's been ignoring his cats. His cats have been pissing in his bed. So now I have this whole lockdown system with cats in my house. So they can't go into certain rooms anymore. Now they're going to hate you even more. Yeah, I know. One of them slapped me the other day. But it just came up to me for no reason. It was like smack and then ran away. I was like, what the fuck? Wow, they're're going to hate you even more. Yeah, I know. One of them slapped me the other day. But it just came up to me for no reason.

It was like smack, and then ran away. I was like, what the fuck? Wow, the time of your bullshit. It took away a spot where it was pissing. I would be mad, too. It's like I was trying to piss in that bed, son. But these new beds have like Tempur-Pedic, and then the one I got has like a gel on top of it. So it's like this weird gel that you're in.

It's like a little baby water bed. Wow, you like it? Yeah, it's pretty badass. Do you recommend water beds? Is it good to be in that womb-like environment? You know, I like the sleep number, actually. You like that thing? Yeah, I like that thing, and I actually have mine

concrete. Is that better for you? It's like 95. I think it's kind of individual, but it is cool. You can dial the thing up or down and make it fit for what you need. I had one. I didn't like it. You didn't but it is cool. You can dial the thing up or down and make it fit for what you need. I had one. I didn't like it. You didn't like it? No.

What do you roll with? I like a Tempur-Pedic better. You have a Tempur-Pedic? Yeah, I like a firm Tempur-Pedic. I just didn't like that one. No? Yeah. Yeah, I've heard that you can avoid more kinks and neck things

if you sleep in a harder mattress. Right. The harder, the better. Is that the case? You know know it's kind of funny my my pal is a total sleep expert and he he would i've grilled him on this stuff and he's like you know it just kind of depends on how you're wired up i think that again is trying to get in and do some personal experimenting and you should have a really good night's sleep you should wake up refreshed if you wake up and you're feeling like dog shit, then it was a bad bed. You need something else.

But our house, we have like four spare bedrooms. Each spare bedroom has like a $3,000 mattress in it from us trying these other beds. And it's like, nah, that didn't work. That didn't work. And it's always the trial period is like, try it for 60 days, but you don't start feeling like shit until like 61 days.

So, yeah. Right. And if your bed has that like sinkhole, black hole thing that's in the middle because it's so old. You got to get rid of that. You might get rid of it. Yeah, because I found on my last bed it had a mild version of that. So, I was always constantly like having to adjust my body a little just to get like a more comfortable sleep because I slept on my stomach. And I always had neck pains on one side of my body

from just adjusting. And the cat pee tends to guide you. That's a fucked up thing when you go to sleep and you hurt yourself while you're sleeping. Yeah. You just feel so stupid.

You wake up with a kinked neck. You're like, come on, really? I get charley horses all the time from dehydration. What about hammocks? Wouldn't that be the way to go? A hammock might be cool. You could check out a hammock. A hammock would be sweet. A wouldn't that be the way to go a hammock might be cool you could check out a hammock that might be sweet seems like the way to go like a nice leather

ham in your bedroom yeah just sleep in a hammock man it seems like it would support you like really kind of evenly you get pockets on the side of that one in high school yeah i just like nailed it up to the wall and yeah yeah How much sleep does a human being need? Eight to ten. Eight to ten. Pitch black room. Yeah. Period.

Yeah. And that's like a no, you can't debate that, right? You know, it's funny. People will say, I only need like five or six hours of sleep. And then inevitably, if they put up some blackout curtains, if they turn off all the lights and they actually like get in an environment that's good for sleeping, then they're like, you know, ninja blow dart. They're out for like 14 hours the first time you do it. And then they start getting caught up on their sleep. And these people that usually think they can get by on like five or six, they discover they're like, okay, yeah, I feel way better on eight to 10. And I mean, it's a lot of

time. There's a lot of other shit you could be doing, but you just don't do it as well when you don't sleep. Yeah, I agree. I I'm a big fan of sleep. And if I don't, I've, I've really felt that, especially as I got older, when I was younger, I could pull it off more. Right. But now as I get older, like if I don't have like a real legit solid eight hour sleep, I just don't feel like I'm all cylinders are not firing yeah it's hard even with a cup of coffee or whatever or an exercise you know you know still it never really quite feels right it feels like you just it's a weird thing that we just shut off you know well and that's why travel sucks too because your circadian you know that inner clock gets thrown off when you go east particularly so like you go to the east coast you you go to Europe, and you feel like shit. So it really is.

Going east is worse than going west. You know, that's what they always said about Japanese fighters, that the problem they had in America, like Phil Barone actually told me this. Yeah. He said the problem they had in America is that when they would come here, like, coming to America completely fucks your system up. Right.

How is that possible? You're just, you're completely flipped around. It's like you're fighting then when you would normally be asleep. And it takes weeks for all that to kind of get shifted around. And once you, you know, you do that travel, say you go from Japan to here, you go from here to Europe, your testosterone levels drop, your inflammation goes up, your immune system goes down. And it's going to stay that way for a while because it's a stress. It's like the same way that working out or working too much is a stress on your system. It's going to drop all of your recovery capacity for a while. And this is just because of the interruption in sleep? Yeah, and it's that internal clock that kind of gets tied into the sunlight and all that stuff. Yeah, but it just drives everything, All your hormones, neurotransmitters, the way your gut functions,

everything is tied into these internal clocks. So if a fighter wanted to acclimate when he came to somewhere he was going to fight, should he go there at the beginning of his training camp and never leave? I would. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Wow. Yeah. And I wouldn't... You have it in your control. I wouldn't travel more than three hours if you had control like if you have a well-established fighter if they need to travel more than three hours and you know what three time zone changes then i i would really recommend you know the camp at least a couple of weeks beforehand gets moved, but possibly from the beginning so that you've got the continuity.

Yeah. Yeah. That's an element that, you know, the rest element is one that really doesn't get quite enough credit. It doesn't get quite enough importance. Everyone's always looking for something that you can eat that can give you energy, something that you can eat that'll clean you out and get you straight. But really, one of the most important things is just shutting the fuck down and just sleeping.

Yeah, yeah. If you sleep well, it's hard to kill you. If you're not sleeping well, it's almost impossible to keep you alive. Like, it's huge. And you sound like a nutcase recommending this, but, you know, it's kind of like my greasy used car salesman pitch is like, dude, sleep more. You know, whether it's clients trying to lean out or like somebody trying to get better performance for fighting or like we had a girl that missed uh

olympic trials for the 2000 meter row by a hundredth of a second you know and you when you're at that level where she didn't go to the olympics by a one one hundredth of a second holy shit you need all your you know your eyes dotted and t's crossed and so like she sleeps well she eats paleo she does all this stuff but she still got edged out you know wow yeah wow but when you think but just stop think about your life being about performing to one one hundredth of a second right better than everything you do has to be dead on. You'd be a paranoid freak. You could be crazy.

She's been kind of crazy at times. Yeah, like monitoring that. I honestly don't like monitoring super high level athletes because it is so fucking stressful. Because if I shit the bed on something or there's the whole part of me doing something wrong

and then feeling guilty for it and then wanting to kill me. And then there's the other side where you're investing hugely in this person. And if they don't comply with what I want them to do, I want to kill them. Because I know how important this stuff is. And if they're like, I'm going to go out and drink anyway, or I'm going to work on some other project. That is a thing that drives. There's a guy named Mike Dolce who works with a lot of fighters and he you know he if the guys don't

listen to him he's like well i don't even know why they fucking brought me here right you know it's just been pointless like some people don't want to hear it right they still want to do what they want to do especially fighters fighters have this mindset of if you like getting hit i mean there's a whole other wiring that goes on, you know what I mean? It's not even that it's like they have a crazy sort of a confidence that nothing will ever go wrong. Right.

Right. Which to some degree you need that, you know, and I think the people that are able to take that confidence, but then also understand what a good coach can bring to the table and to some degree, step back and give up some of that responsibility. It's like, okay, you're my coach. I'm going to, I'm going to listen to you and then I don't need to worry about all the

details. I feel like fighters who are self coached only reaches a certain level. I think, you know, you've had some problems. If you're self coached, it's really hard to objectively stand back and look at your game when it's not going right. Right. You know, but a real true professional, a guy who's worked guys through many levels of advancement and growth, he could see, like, issues. He can find things that you're doing wrong.

And just I think for an athlete, I think it's important to relent to a mentor as well. I think you have to have someone else who you also have faith in what they have to say as well. So you're not in it by yourself. It takes away some of the psychological burden, especially for combat sports. I think it's very important for guys. Some guys don't like to do it, though.

They want to do everything themselves. Yeah, but, you know, the jack of all trades, you don't go anywhere. Like if you're supposed to fight, then you fight. And you eat, sleep, and, you know, shit that. And then somebody else monitors your food. Somebody keeps an eye on your sleep. You've got somebody ideally taking care of the financial side of your life and everything so that you can just focus on that one thing. And you've got to put all of those pieces in play.

Yeah, and especially when you're thinking about fighting where the consequences are so much greater than the one one-hundredth of a second in rowing. Right, right. The one one-hundredth of a second, you lose that. You're like, ah, shit, what could I have done differently? I should have used fluoride, less toothpaste. Right. You start thinking crazy shit, but when someone, that one one-hundredth of a second is someone connecting or spotting your punch, getting out of the way just in time and countering you,

and you get knocked out, then it becomes even more crazy right more obsessive have you worked with fighters uh you know glenn cordoza right sure you know glenn so we worked with glenn and then just more uh kind of internet coaching you know trying to folks have come to me when uh people weren't recovering they were starting to get a ton of soft tissue injuries um bad sleep started popping up you know like they started getting some depression during training camp and everything and so looking at the diet looking at lifestyle factors and i mean it all boils down to the same thing though like a clean diet i obviously i'm going to gear towards more towards like a paleo gig

protecting the sleep area like at gunpoint like the people sleep eight to ten hours, you know, if you have to kill somebody. And then just kind of a mellow lifestyle outside the rest of that to the best of your ability to construct that. But that will, I mean, it's 50% of your recovery probably is having that sleep. So you can go in and train really hard and then go home and not sleep. And you don't get really any of the benefit from the training session, even if you're working skills. Say you're, you know,

you're working a bunch of head movement and stuff like that. That is all a skill that needs to go from one part of your brain to another. It goes from short-term memory to long-term memory and starts getting, you know, woven into like your brainstem. It's a, it's a learned pattern. If you don't sleep,

you don't access that, that transition. So it's like that training session then is just gone. It's as if you didn't even do it. access that that transition so it's like that training session then it's just gone it's as if you didn't even do it that's crazy so it's like if you're going to spend the time to do it there's a great book another good dude you should have on that wrote the uh the talent code and talking about like needing really good repetitions and like 10,000 repetitions and something like playing violin or learning you know a quick draw shooting and stuff like that you want to do it perfect and then you need a good environment for that stuff to kind of

cook in the brain and actually become a part of your person part of the motor memory so it's a huge part of the game that people are just kind of again shitting the bed on and not get you know you see so many people work so hard but they almost work too hard and then they don't give enough credence to the rest because it's like, oh, that's being lazy. I need this work ethic. And then you go all Dan Gable on you just to push to your break. Yeah.

There's a lot of wrestlers who I think that is the most, uh, over-trained and undernourished sport when it comes to amateur sports. And they're tough. They're used to being tough. That's why they're so dangerous when they become MMA fighters is because their level of mental toughness is, I believe, above and above beyond any other sport. I think at the highest levels of wrestling,

I think they're the most mentally tough guys in the world. They're fucking animals. Those guys, they don't eat for days. Right. And then they go and wrestle savages, you know? Right. I mean, just the weight cutting alone, the fact that they have to be miserable and malnourished and dehydrated and training. It's really hard. But but that's not the

way to do it, right? If you want like optimum performance, and it's great that it makes them so tough. But I mean, you really want to take care of the body that is so not the way to do it. Yeah, I mean, staying within staying in close to contest shape year round kicking your heels up a little bit but you know the the thing is is that when people go so extreme then when they're off season they gain 30 pounds of weight right and it's all hookers and cocaine you know it's like bad bad scene there but what about the overtraining i mean there is a there's a certain there's a certain point of no return right where you yeah you're you're actually doing damage to your conditioning. Right.

It's really common, too. It's super common. The people who manage it well, those are the folks that succeed, I think, more often. And the people who manage it well are certainly the ones who protect their conditioning year-round. Right. They don't ever let themselves get out of condition. It's a very difficult and disciplined thing to maintain like to maintain like a real high level of conditioning but if you don't have a high level you can't push

to a higher level right right and for a lot of people it's like when you have a you attain a certain level and you drop off drastically and then it's all about getting your your body back in shape like guys who get really big in between fights like you know that those guys like that's not the same level of commitment as say an anderson silva or george saint pierre right you're never going to see those guys fat we're never going to go see those guys in in between fights just drinking and fucking around there's none of that going on right they're protecting their vehicle and so even though they're still obviously moving a lot of scale weight to make weigh-ins it's not as dramatic a shift and just like when we travel whenever you change these internal uh kind of kind of

signaling the biological signaling you when you fly you know from six time zones or eight time zones that messes with your sleep if you are taking your body and forcing it to shed a bunch of weight very very rapidly because you got out of shape, then it's more of a stress and it drops testosterone. It impacts your immune system. So staying as close as you can, you know, obviously like you want to be as big and strong and muscular as you can at any given body weight. And, but within striking distance, being able to go down and make weight when you need to make it. When you see guys, I don't know how aware you are of, there's some crazy weight cutters out there.

Yeah. The most recent one that I heard of is Travis View. Right. Fought in Bellator at 245 pounds in the cage. 205 is what he weighed in at. Right. That's fucking crazy. Right.

I mean, that is fucking crazy. Yeah, and I mean, there's crazy Yeah and I mean There's some science to it You need somebody there with your IVs And all the rest of it But holy shit what a nutty idea The fact that you're almost dead 24 hours before you have a cage fight

Yeah you know I would I think it'd be cool to just see Almost like Jits where you show up And you step on the scale And you weigh what you weigh and then it just goes uh yeah i would like to see that too but you can't do that if you have contracts right you know because dudes if they don't have any consequences for not being at a certain weight dudes are just going to get huge right i mean there's a benefit to just putting

on muscle mass you know the 147 weight class you show up at 160 pounds swole as fuck like what the hell's going on but i mean they would sit then those guys would have to fight like 155 or 170 but you couldn't you know couldn't do that in the world of championship fighting right because you know you obviously have to schedule it long in advance you have to put it on pay-per-view so you got to have weight classes but there's no way to stop people from cutting weight if that's going to be the case the the good thing that they've done is at least give them 24 hours to rehydrate right right which they didn't used to do the old days of boxing used to weigh in a day of the fight and guys would dehydrate make weight and then you know drink milk and you know eat cheese and meat

or something stupid and be all fucked up by the time they got into the still dehydrated yeah completely yeah does the ivy dehydrate when when they dehydrated. Yeah, completely. Yeah. Does the IV dehydrate? When they rehydrate with IVs, does it replenish the brain as well? Well, it replenishes everything. But, I mean, the body's in a pretty rough state by that point. So, I mean, it's 24 hours you can bounce back pretty good. And particularly, you know, like you said, with wrestlers, they've been used to pulling their body up and down like that.

So, they're a little bit more acclimatized to it. But it's rough. How much of a percentage do you think it takes away from them i mean is it it's got to be a damn i mean if you're not supposed to get drunk okay while you're in training camp and you eat clean and everything like that and then you do something way worse than getting drunk you get crazy dehydrated yeah i mean you starve i've seen guys shuffling to the scale because they can't pick their feet up right i've seen that and they were going to fight in a world championship the next day right yeah i don't know and that that's where you know we're we're are they as lean as they could be you know just day in and day out right and and uh i don't know because it takes something off you know, and then you just have to

wonder, is it taking an equal amount out of both parties? You know, that's crazy. I mean, there's gotta be a way to find people that are really the same size and just make some sort of an honorable agreement to never get over a certain weight and just do it at the weight you actually are at. Right. Yeah. And, and, you know, in some ways I think it would be more exciting fighting because a lot of the fatigue that I see set in folks, it's probably the weight cut. Oh, well, you saw like Chris Weidman and Damian Maia. I don't know if you saw that, but it was on Fox. Both guys were – well, Damian Maia really just couldn't do anything with Weidman. And Weidman was way too tired from the weight cut because he took the fight on really short notice.

So the guy had to cut like some insane amount of weight the day before and that's what they kept saying to him i saw what you did yesterday when you made weight you know you can do anything you can do anything like so the guy the weight cut must have been death like yeah and then here he is fighting on fox you know the next day 24 hours later it's a really a weird practice right i wish we could avoid it but i don't know how because there's when you have to have weight classes right you have to there's no way a guy like uh joey benavidez should be fighting brock lesnar right so we gotta have weight classes this isn't 1993 right so and if you're gonna have weight classes it's like what how do you set them up you know

if you would you set them up every ideally every 10 pounds every five pounds how do you set them up? Would you set them up ideally every 10 pounds, every 5 pounds? How do you set them up to keep people from cutting the weight? I don't think you can. Right. Well, I mean, again, you would do it more like a jiu-jitsu tournament where you weigh the weight. But how could you do that with a championship fight? Because if the guy didn't make the weight

and everybody flew in from Australia to see the fight, you know what I mean? Probably like curbside execution then. I don't know. It's like you get killed if you don't make weight. I don't know. I don't know. And even then they would try to be as big as possible.

Right. I mean, there's an advantage to being big. Look at what it's done to Alistair Overeem. Right. There's Alistair Overeem 1, where he was a really good fighter, very skilled. And there's Alistair Overeem 2, where he's this fucking behemoth that's smashing people and winning the K-1 Grand Prix. And the only difference between those is a lot of fucking muscle. Right.

A lot of experience and a lot of muscle. It's amazing how much it does for a really technical guy when they get strong. Right. That shit's – so how are you going to have a weight class? I don't know. I don't know. How are you going to have them weighing the same day? Dude's going to...

Oh, sorry, I'm 20 pounds overweight. Not much I can do about it now. I mean, we wouldn't want me to dehydrate and risk dying. What the fuck do you get them to do? Yeah, I don't know. Other than, again, the curbside execution, you know. If it's part of your contract, you're like, you're going to make weight or... It should be some sort of samurai type thing.

Totally. It should be an honorable... Seep a coup out there, yeah. No, not even that. I'm saying like the contract to fight. It should be like, no one should ever miss weight. It should always be like really, really clean and easy and everyone's just, this is what you weigh.

And then you go and fight. That would be the ideal thing to do the danger is apparently um with dehydration um that's when uh most of the boxing brain damage fights where guys have died or yeah gerald mcclellan was a famous weight cutter he's a really big guy a lot of those guys in the heavyweight division really never had the same problems that guys in the lighter weight divisions did right that's uh that's a very unfortunate aspect of fighting man yeah i mean you're already taking something that's pretty scary and dangerous and then making it way more yeah what are the physical effects of dehydration on the brain because that's where it gets really weird right you could have electrolyte imbalances where things are just literally not firing and your heart may not fire properly.

But I think a lot of it is just that fluid around the brain is the shock absorber. So if you pull some of that away, then the brain is literally, you've almost got, it's kind of like a walnut that fills the whole shell. You shake it and nothing happens. Whereas if you've got maroon in there and then you get hit, then you're driving the skull into the brain at a very high velocity, which sounds bad. I mean, you literally have less fluid up there. Yeah, yeah.

And then what about with the IVs? Does that replace it? It does, but I mean, 24 hours is a pretty good period and I'm not super up on this, but you could take somebody who's extremely dehydrated 24 hours later they're pretty good but they're still after effects you know I think you could probably find

things in blood work that a week later you know like if you just shrink wrap a guy down like you do the usual you know like 20 pound weight cut that you see in a lot of these these fighters for like a 200 pound guy or something more 10 or more body weight I bet we could see things in their blood work a week later like they don't or more body weight. I bet we could see things in their blood work a week later. Like they don't fight, they just weight cut. And then we see what changes in their blood work. I bet we could see bad stuff in their blood work a week later. Like it leaves an impact on them. How do you stop people from doing it then? I mean, education, let fighters think about their career holistically because the reality is competitively there is an advantage to cutting the weight totally and i think you get as big as you can as lean as you can

and then kind of see where that but then you know doing some field testing where you you practice say like you've got some sort of a a metabolic workout you know like whether it's pads and bags or whether it's a crossfit looking thing or something but you've got a standard workout, you know, like whether it's pads and bags or whether it's a CrossFit looking thing or something, but you've got a standard. And so you weight cut at a certain starting weight, go down, rehydrate, do your whole, you know, your whole rehydration process, see how you do on this kind of standardized workout. And then maybe you gain a little bit more weight, a little bit more muscle.

If is it that much more difficult to go down and does it actually then tank your performance? So I think you've got to get in and do some field testing, but it's hard to do that. You know, you're already trying to get ready for fight camps and do everything else. So, yeah, I think that's one of the things that you brought up earlier, such a good point that too many fighters concentrate on conditioning instead of

concentrating on skill work, right? That skill work for someone is doing something as crazy as a combat sport it is the most important thing is that if you look at the best guys they're not necessarily like anderson silva in my opinion is the greatest fighter that's ever lived and he's not the strongest guy in the world and he's obviously a strong guy but he's insanely technical so technical and so his everything moves fluidly like he never has stamina problems right he fights deep into the fifth round and it's always fun because he's he's super efficient super efficient and george st pierre is another one and it's a fascinating thing that george st pierre does not do any strength and conditioning

during his fight camps right he says he doesn't doesn't believe in it he says uh he might lift a little weights he goes about that do that for my look to you know look good but he's being serious like everything he does is wrestling kickboxing jiu-jitsu and when you look at the demands of that how much more can you do yeah you know and you're smart and like just a little bit of you know strength or power training a little bit of mobility work but let's say you want to do some cardio you know are you as a fighter are you better off getting out and running are you better off having somebody hold pads for you and you go at like 50 and you just you get your heart rate up a little bit you know it's like you know 70 75 of your vo2 max or whatever but you do a

little bit of that you do a little bit of position positional sparring on the ground you do a little bit of clench work but it's all at a very controlled pace like are you going to get more out of that or out of putting on your sneakers and going for a run the only thing you get good out of going for a run is uh i find running to be like a form of moving meditation. Okay. I'd buy that. And I think that I go over things when I do just straight cardio work where it's forcing me through the monotony of even just sitting on an elliptical machine. Right. It just forces me to think about stuff. Right.

Because I'm like, I'm not doing anything other than this for 30 minutes. Right. Let's see what the fuck's going on in my head. And then I think that might be a benefit to athletes because i think a lot of athletes don't spend enough time visualizing okay spend enough time thinking about the techniques and going over things in their head and they've they've shown a direct correlation between visualization and improvement and technique that's on par with practice actually doing it yeah but very few people will actually go over a whole routine

in their head like say if you were a wrestler and you had a series of takedowns and you put yourself into a state of concentration where you're only thinking about your wrestling and then all you do is concentrate on this power double over and over again, see yourself penetrating, see yourself sliding off that knee, getting your hands clasped together. If you really spent the time, like a whole full hour and a half of nothing but that, just like you would do if you were training nothing but that,

I think that is a fascinating exercise to see how much it would improve a guy maybe who's not doing that, who's already very good. Someone who has a hard time seeing a next plateau. But it's a good point, too. You've always got risk of injury even holding pads even doing positional sparring so it's actually a good point like you could sit down on the elliptical and then do some low level cardio but like you're not yet you know you're not watching tv during that thing like you're thinking through your fight strategy like whatever it is that's in your b game that you're trying to bring up and you're really visualizing that and like you've got to think about like the feel the smell

the you know you've got to visualize it as detailed as you can to get the most benefit but you're totally spot on there's good stuff always dudes that either annoy you that you can think of when you're doing it or dudes who you're scared of rolling with like there there's a certain dudes that I know that I fucking hate rolling with. These motherfuckers don't get tired. Right. You know, and they're trying to kill you. You're going to war for the next nine minutes or whatever it is.

You know, so I always think of those motherfuckers trying to choke me. Like, right. You know, there's something that you can get out of just a straight cardio exercise. I think mentally and physically. Yeah.

Yeah. I love doing a hotel rooms. I don't like doing this at home because it's kind of boring compared to other shit I can do. But I do this crazy elliptical workout where I'll sprint for 30 seconds and then I'll relax for 30 seconds and I'll sprint for, and I just do as many rounds of that as I can. And it's fucking horrendous. Right. I don't like doing it.

Like, it's so hard to do that when I see one of these things at a hotel gym I'm like alright you motherfucker I was hoping I would walk in and it would just be like a universal machine but if there's an elliptical machine we gotta go to war I gotta do my thing that's what I do at every hotel that has this elliptical machine so it's become like this battle of man versus

machine but it's a fucking it's a brutal workout of just a silly little elliptical machine. But, I mean, you put that all-out effort into it. Yeah, that's what it is. That interval training is nasty. Just crank, you got to crank the power up, the resistance up super high, and you go to war for 30 seconds.

You just got to go crazy for 30 seconds. Right. And then crank that bitch back down to like 8 or 9 or 7 or something relaxed, and you do that for the next 30 seconds, and then right back up again. Right. Just keep doing it. It's terrible.

Yeah, I think I would like doing curls on the universal machine. Better? Yeah, that sounds like a lot more fun. Curls on the universal machine was so unrealistic. Right. It was so nonsensical. And the bench press where it kind of turns up like that. Right.

I remember we had those in high school. In the high school wrestling room, there was like a fitness area. Right. A big universal machine. Yeah, yeah. This dude named Frank Peace could do the stack. Frank Peace got on there and he could do the whole stack. It's a really fucking strong kid.

Everyone's like, oh, shit. How much can you bench? That was like the big question. Right. And they would use like universal numbers. It's like 600 pounds universal or 200 pounds real. Right. And they would use like universal numbers, you know. It's like 600 pounds universal or 200 pounds real. Yeah.

Isn't that funny that it's easier to push things as long as you don't have to balance them. When you have to balance them and push things, that's when shit gets slippery. Right. It's hard to wrap your head around why a universal machine really wouldn't work. But it's okay to do something on, right? I mean, it's better than nothing. Yeah, totally. And like you're on the road a lot, just like I am.

It's brutal, right? You get done what you can get done. Yeah. Do you have like a hotel workout that you do? It depends on where the place is. Like if it's totally just nothing going on, then I'll just do some sprints, like in the stairwell and stuff like that.

And then I do some handstand pushups, maybe some L-sit press to handstand and chairs, doing some gymnastic stuff but it really depends there's more i've been hitting like double trees now because they usually have a half decent gym and then like you can you can swing some dumbbells like you do with kettlebells and just get some basic strength training in and then do some intervals on like a stairmaster or an elliptical yeah yeah if i don't work out when i'm on the road i I feel twice as bad. Right.

There's definitely something that goes on with when your body goes to a new place where if you do get a good workout in, it sort of makes everything feel okay. Yeah, yeah. Sort of like a little bit of a reset. If I fly into Dallas or something, I'm a little foggy from the trip. If I hit the gym hard, it just sort of pulls you back. Yeah. Sort of levels it off. What is, what is going on when, when that happens? Is it just an endorphin rush from the training? You know, heating up your body. It just, you, you crank up all the metabolic processes going on. So it definitely, you know,

the endorphin rush is nice cause you just feel better from that. But whenever you heat your body up, you are kind of accelerating all the processes in the body. And so you're going to acclimate a little better. You take in some melatonin when you travel. You know, that helps reset things. But exercise has been known for a long time to help. If you didn't exercise and you did like a USA to Europe travel, it's going to take longer to get acclimated versus if you exercised every day. Now, when you, if you go to a place and you, you know, you settle in and you do exercise and you

do take melatonin to sleep, what is like best case scenario for you settling into a new time zone? Like if someone goes from California to New York? You know, three time zones isn't too bad. It'd probably be a couple of days. If you go, you know, six to nine time zones, it's going to take a week at least. And you're probably going to feel pretty rough. And if you're younger, it's not going to be as bad. If you're older.

I had friends that went to Australia. When they came back, they were fucked. Yeah. They were fucked for a while. Yeah. They were like, I haven't been the same in two weeks man yeah like that's crazy yeah and you get out and exercise ideally you get outside during the evening when the sun is setting that the the communication of the light into the brain kind of resets some stuff that is really important for normal sleep so so you should

actually watch the sun turn into darkness ideally Ideally be outside, yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's what the sun lamps are good for. Yeah. Yeah. What are the sun lamps? They're like these lamps that you get to – that simulate the sun. Like they glow really bright. Like you can like wake up to it.

Like it's an alarm clock almost. Really? And they start getting brighter and brighter and brighter. And you wake up with this huge glowing light in your bedroom. And it just kind of makes you feel like it tricks your body. Like people in Alaska have these lights all the time because of the periods of time when it's, you know. Always night. Or always daylight too.

Doesn't it reverse there? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's both, right? Yeah. It's a nutty motherfucking place to live. Yeah. I think it's both, right? Yeah. It's a nutty motherfucking place to live. Right. Have you ever seen the show Mountain Men?

Yeah. It's a great fucking show. That is crazy. It's my new favorite show. Yeah. That guy Marty who lives in Alaska? Yeah. If you haven't seen the show, folks, it's about three different dudes who live.

One's North Carolina, one's Montana, and one's Alaska. The Alaska dude flies everywhere in a plane, goes for hours to be away from his family, or excuse me, months, rather, to be away from his family, and just traps animals. Right. He's 24 miles on a fucking, one of those, what are those? Snowmobile things. Snowmobile things.

It's craziness. Like, you know, you think you got it hard? This guy makes a living killing little animals and selling their skins three hours by plane from his house. All to escape his family. Probably, right? Yeah. It's probably bullshit, right? Yeah, well, I got to do what I got to do.

Meanwhile, he could be trapping right next to his fucking house. Think about how many goddamn animals there are in Alaska. Why do you have to go to the middle of nowhere in your plane? Yeah, he's probably up there beating off. Trapping Squatch. He just comes over there, just a stack of porn. Why is the plane so heavy this time? I don't know.

Couldn't find anything different. Magazines on one side, gasoline on the other. It's just all DVDs, all porno DVDs, all Asian, too. You don't find any Asian chicks up in Alaska, do you? Very rare, unless they're literally walked there from Asia on the Bering Strait, like the Inuits. What if they have, like, the best Asian, and we didn't even know this whole time?

A new type of Asian? It's like their secret. I see what you're trying to say. Alaska Asian. It is weird, though, that Alaska's not attached. That's hilarious. Like, how can you claim something that's attached to another fucking country? You know, nobody wanted it. It's kind of like a...

It's awesome. Why would you not want it? Yeah. Why would nobody want it? I don't know. They don't want to get eaten. They bought it for cheap back in the day, though. So, yeah.

This dude who lives up there, man. This guy's a lokester. That's a crazy life. And he does it every year. Same thing every year. He was outside. It was like 50 below zero. Right.

Like, you could piss, and it's going to be frozen before it hits the ground yeah that's amazing maybe you could not me bro my piss is alive it's hot my piss will fight it off you drink your own do you ever drink your own piss i do not i do not that would be a quote in the bottom of someone at the message boards it would be someone's signature Brian Redbeard do you drink piss? Joe drinks his own piss isn't that crazy? no I have

I have drunk my own piss I don't do it on a regular basis Brian I am part of the lunatic fringe but I haven't gone down that route so yeah it really doesn't even taste that bad it's like bugs

it's all in your head it doesn't taste bad at all but it's I read some shit Like a new Lyoto Machida Drinks his own piss Does it every morning

Wow Him and his father What's the fuck Juan Manuel Marquez Is famous for drinking His own piss The boxer Yeah there's

This idea of urine therapy Supposed to like There's vitamins And nutrients That go through your body That don't get used By your body But they're in your piss But they will get used if you drink your piss.

Does that sound retarded? There's some possibility there. If your wife or girlfriend is pregnant, then HCG, human chorionic gonadotropin, is a hormone that stimulates testosterone release also. So you could collect their urine because the HCG is really high in the pregnant chicks and then concentrate it down and, you know,

get jacked from that. Wow. You get jacked from your wife's piss. Who would have thought? Fuck. Yeah. That's where it all started from. Dudes are smart.

They knew what the fuck was up. Jimmy Norton's on to some, he's going to be all buff any day. Huge. That's why his neck's so big. I wonder if, how the fuck anybody ever figured that out? That, you know, there's any sort of vitamins and nutrients to be had and drinking your own urine i don't know i don't know it's like the cordyceps like why did this guy eat the uh

you know caterpillar with the fungus on it i just think people had lower standards in the past like if you don't know about hygiene and bacteria and stuff like that, like anything goes. Yeah, it's like why not? Drink some piss. Yeah. Yeah. I know for when people that take mushrooms, that's supposed to be the end all experience is you recycle your urine while you're tripping. Right. And apparently there's more psilocin or psilocybin or whatever the fuck the psychoactive ingredient is in the urine. So as you drink it, it gets reabsorbed,

and it shoots you to the center of the universe. Usually, though, when I'm on mushrooms, the last thing I could do is drink or eat or especially my piss. Drinking your own piss. Yeah, well, I talked to a dude who did it. He said, you know, everybody was like, you've got to drink your urine. He's like, I'm not drinking my fucking piss. I'm already high.

He goes, I'm thinking I'm already tripping balls. And he said, so they talked me into drinking my piss. I drank it and just, he goes, I'm not drinking my fucking piss. I'm already high. He goes, I'm thinking I'm already tripping balls. And he said, so they talked me into drinking my piss. I drank it and just, he goes, I can't. It was like I was pulled back in like a slingshot and let go to the center of the universe. I think just like stacking psilocybin plus mescaline plus LSD is probably a more direct route to that instead of light drinking well it's supposed to be just an accelerated version of the mushroom trip it's not like a confusing blend of different trips the idea is just when you you drink your own urine apparently the uh the the real experience kicks in it's like that takes it to the next level it's so trippy that it takes it to the next level

i think i would try meth first i'll be like i'll just blow that i don't know man the dude who did it the dude who did it i swear to god there's some people that come back from some i mean real or imagined experience like that so humbled that they really are a different person and that's how this guy was i was like what happened to you like what's going on with you like you like it was the dude seemed like almost, almost pious. It was weird. It was like he, like, was noticeably softer in tone, noticeably more humble. It was weird. And I go, what happened? And then he tells me this whole story.

I'm like, holy shit. How long ago was that? Like, two, a year later, he was back to himself. When you have the full reality peel, like, when you have that complete reality peel, it should change you a little bit it should yeah it should knock your fucking socks off yeah it should let you know like whoa you might you might be wrong son this might not be normal at all right this world might be full of crazy magical things that can happen in any moment in time that's how i feel about food

poisoning sometimes also i learned a lot from food poisoning. Yeah, well, you know, there's... Don't eat at that taco wagon ever again. You say that, but that's... Sunday sushi? I didn't know that existed. That is something that cultures that didn't have psychedelics, they had rituals and rites of passages through different substances that would be poison.

They'd basically be like I think the name for these substances is they're essentially toxins that don't kill you. That's like ammonite and mushrooms. Ordeal poisoning. That's what it's called. They're called ordeal poisons. You go through this horrible, horrible, horrible experience

and when it's over, when it passes, you're so happy to be alive that you become nicer to people. You learn something from it. I agree. And so instead of having that come through the amazing and enlightening experience of the psilocybin experience, the mushroom trip, instead of that, you just almost die. Just almost.

The whole fucking thing falls apart on you. Don't tell my wife about this. She could possibly try to improve me if I recommend you. Yeah. You go that route. What would she improve if she could improve? You seem like a great guy. Maybe I would cook more.

Do you at home be like super strict with the paleo? Does everybody have to follow that? You know, I mean, I actually do all the cooking. So, I mean, it's like I i mean i i actually do all the cooking so i mean it's like oh really i do all the cooking and so i mean i i just folks pretty much eat what i throw out there but a good gay wife i would i would i can't deny it so you um always organic always grass fed no you know we do the grass fed gig because we have a friend that owns a dairy and so we can get grass fed meat super easy and know, we do the grass fed gig because we have a friend that owns a dairy and so we can get grass fed meat super easy and like we have a big freezer. So you're getting it right from the guy who's killing it?

Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. What a hookup that is. And we get all the giblets and everything with it and stuff like that. But people don't respect all those giblets. People don't respect turkey hearts, chicken hearts and turkey hearts. They're delicious, man.

Yeah. And nutritious. Chicken hearts are fucking delicious, man. That's what I love about in Brazil. When you go to Fogo de Chão in Brazil, the Chujas Korea, they bring out scores of chicken hearts. And everybody was like, ew. I'm like, give them here, bitch.

Give them here. Wow. You fucking pussies. Yeah. It's almost the best stuff. They're delicious. It's got a weird taste to it. It's like chewy, but not too chewy.

It's tender. Super nutritious. Yeah. Creepy. Creepy. I like that. weird taste to it it's like chewy but not too chewy it's tender super nutritious yeah creepy creepy i like that little little chicken heart there's a place you know that place at lax somebody told me the the restaurant that looks like you know like this weird futuristic thing somebody told me that that they serve crazy food they're like ants and bugs and like creepy shit now really, like it's just like a fear factor thing. Oh, so like an international oddity

sort of a restaurant? I've never heard of that. Yeah, somebody just told me that. Why don't you Google that shit and find out if it's true before you spread it? Maybe they just have a bad health department scenario going on. No, no, no, we meant to have that roach. That's a part of our festivities here where we have a... There's a lot of countries where they do eat bugs because they have to, right? It meant to have that roach. That's a part of our festivities here.

There's a lot of countries where they do eat bugs because they have to, right? It's a high source of protein. Yeah, it's really nutritious. But I just had a guy that sent me a cricket protein bar from Thailand. Yo. Yeah. Cricket protein. Yeah, so they grow these crickets.

And you ate this? It wasn't bad. It wasn't bad. It wasn't bad. You're a bold man. I would not think that anybody working at a fucking cricket protein bar in Thailand would be clean and tidy and put shit into the batch every now and again. They could have, but there was no, like, hepe, apparently. Like, I didn't get doubled over from anything. So nothing went wrong?

No. Not yet. Crickets, why not? You know, it's funny. We're so. So nothing went wrong? No, not yet. Crickets, why not? You know, it's funny. We're so weird. We eat lobsters, you know, and lobsters have a lot of the same things. Oh, dude, they're just a water cricket. Yeah, it's a water roach. A big one, yeah.

It's a giant roach. Yeah. It actually, if you eat roaches, if you're allergic to shellfish and you eat roaches, you'll get fucked up. We learned that on Fear Factor the hard way. A dude had a shellfish allergy and he had to eat roaches. Like EpiPen. Yeah, yeah. He had to get jacked with, what is it, adrenaline they shoot you with?

Yeah, epinephrine or adrenaline. Here's this thing called Typhoon. His throat was closing in. Here's a thing. It's called Typhoon, I guess. Taiwanese crickets. Taiwanese crickets, amphibians. Scorpions, larvae.

But they also have empanadas. Frog legs. Filipino empanadas. Just for some variety, yeah. Yeah, it seems like they're just trying to go super international. Like New Zealand. They got New Zealand food, Filipino food. It looks yummy, man.

It makes me hungry. Yeah. Do you have a hard time with your diet going to restaurants? Not really. I mean, like the Brazilian barbecue is a perfect example. They've always got tons of meat, fruit, veggies. I mean, it's usually pretty easy. Those places are so healthy.

Yeah, yeah. We spent two weeks in Florence, Italy, and it wasn't hard to eat this way. I mean, there's always a chunk of meat. There's always, like, some veggies. So it's not that bad. It's pretty easy. You totally avoid pastas, grains? Yeah, like I'll have a little bit of corn, like some corn tortillas.

But, yeah, like any wheat-containing item. Like if I had some wheat, your bathroom out there would be decommissioned. Do you eat, like, Ezekiel pasta? No, no. Like it's still like the sprouted grains reduce the problematic proteins that cause the inflammation in the gut, but they're not totally gone. So like, you know, someone like you, you might be a little more resistant to it. And you, you know, like if you had say like whole wheat pasta, we might see some problems. You have the Ezekiel type pasta. It, you don't really see the problems. Whereas

for me, I would still have some problems with it. So I'm kind of like the canary in the coal mine with it. Yeah, I like Ezekiel. Ezekiel pasta, if you've never had it, folks, it's a sprouted grain. They make bread, Ezekiel bread. And it's really, it's based on how it says to make bread in the Bible, apparently, which is kind of trippy. Because it's super healthy. Grains and legumes, if you eat them without sprouting, they literally can make you sick. Like if you just took them uncooked and ate them. Like wheat.

Yeah, it would make you sick. And nobody ever just eats wheat. Right. And that's why. It literally would make you sick. How the fuck did they ever figure out how to eat it? How hungry and desperate were people? Dude, I don't know. But I mean, how do you figure out to stick it in a bucket of water,

let it sprout and start smelling a little bit fermented and then start eating it? I don't know. How do you ever eat a coconut? How do you ever eat a lobster? Well, lobsters, I could see you giving it a shot, man. You've probably eaten some bugs. Anything with a face.

It's kind of like just don't eat the business end of it and you're pretty good yeah yeah whichever end that may be so it depends on which business you're talking about i guess what do you think about uh an actual vegan diet like the china study and you know things along those lines where people have been advocating a completely vegetable-based diet is Is that bollocks? I think it's an improvement off the standard American diet. Like typically people are eating more fruit, more veggies, they're more conscious about the stuff that they're eating. I just don't see people thriving on that long term.

And what is the problem? They don't get enough protein. They don't get enough B vitamins. They'll tell you, excuse me, crazy vegan people, people i love you but you get a little crazy but they they do have a point in that there are some plants that have a full amino acid spectrum right they have they have all the amino acids as it's a full protein you can you can stay alive you just don't one of those yeah i call them third world proteins like you'll survive but you won't thrive like what is the difference between them and what you get from meat you just get such a concentrated

source you know of of proteins from meat and on a hormonal level you're releasing insulin and glucagon when you eat protein and that that is really beneficial for energy levels for muscle mass i mean when you when you look at most the the vegan athletes particularly in the kind of bodybuilding and strength scene they're always using like some sort of protein concentrate, like a rice protein concentrate or something. They're not just eating beans, rice, quinoa. They're not really eating whole foods. They're still eating a concentrated protein source. Right. Or they, I mean, they just fail miserably.

When they do that, when they do eat that concentrated protein source, is that sufficient? I, it'll, it'll work, but you, you know, it's like to eat the concentrated protein from a cow or from brown rice and hemp protein. And, and for me, it's like, I just do the cow because it works better. It tastes better. It works better. Yeah. It just works better. And this is when you, but when you say, I'm sorry to ask because my vegan friends would go crazy if I didn't. When you say it works better, have there been studies where they have shown a decrease in physical performance because of following a vegan diet as opposed to or an increase in a meat-eating diet? I mean, has there ever been any study done? There are some studies comparing vegetarian diets to mixed diets and

typically the performance is not as good so i mean there is some that's the only way they would really tell right is to like get an athlete put them on it see what their performance is get that same athlete put them on this other diet see how and then isn't that sort of biospecific to that one individual yeah and you know like uh carl le like Carl Lewis is kind of carried around as a vegan success. He had one year of good performance and then his performance tanked after that. And it was during a time that you would reasonably assume that he, you know, kind of like Usain Bolt, that he should continue to improve. Right.

And so that's where like you take somebody eating a standard American diet that's super pro-inflammatory. It's tons of refined foods and everything. You put them on a vegan diet, I think they're probably going to look, feel, and perform better. There's no doubt about that. Down the road, I just don't see people doing as well. It's not like you need to eat boatloads of meat to round out. Say you take this vegan diet that I would still put like paleo carbs

in it instead of, uh, beans, rice, quinoa and stuff. I would have yams, sweet potatoes, fruits, veggies, which still have more vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants per calorie. So you're still good there. And then if you throw in a little bit of eggs, a little bit of fish, a little bit of meat, like you're getting a ton of nutrition from that. You're going to build muscle. You're going to recover well. And it doesn't need to be like the whole part of the diet. That's where like the individual, you know,

specifics, you know, dialing this stuff in could really work. But I, and eggs for folks who don't know, cause I didn't even know this until I was in my thirties, which is very sad, but eggs, you don't kill anything to get an egg.

A chicken lays an egg every night. It's not like, if you have like a moral sort of a... Quandary. Yeah, quandary about eating animals and killing animals.

That's okay, but chicken eggs, like, you don't have to be, you don't have to fertilize those eggs. They pop out every day, everybody's fine,

eat the egg, no one dies. You know, on the moral side, I will probably have the vegans come and kill me. If anybody ever comes and kills me, it's either going to be militant vegan or a religious right fanatic. And those people will track me down in my house and kill me and probably decorate their house with my intestines or something.

Yeah. You just gave them a pretty picture. Yeah, totally. These are taking their pants off right now. Yes. Oh, make it so. pants off right now yes oh make it so but there was this professor that uh did an economic analysis of meat eating versus not meat eating in this whole uh kind of moralistic um stance and they call it the least harm principle like what could you do with regards to the food supply that's

going to kill the fewest animals and the vegans kind of paint this picture that if i eat beans and rice and and quinoa and picture that if i eat beans and rice and and quinoa and stuff that it's somehow a bloodless affair but tons of animals are killed in the process of farming you know and and so you mean like small animals small animals yeah yeah snakes and birds and and just the fact that the way that we do mega farming you destroy whole ecosystems to do that whereas like there's this guy joel salatin who has the polyface farms and they do biodynamic farming where you've got pigs and chickens and it's outside and they use solar power that that farm produces more food more more nutrition per acre

than any other farm on the planet where is this where they do new hampshire i think polyface farms joel salatin cool dude cool dude. And how does he have it set up? He has it set up. So the cattle will go through and graze on grass, which is what they're designed to eat. They're not designed to eat grains. And you don't have to put any oil into producing grass. Like, you need to produce grains, you know?

So there's that whole thing. Then after the cattle go through, and they put up solar-powered electric fences to move these critters around. I'm sorry. What do you mean? Oil to produce I'm sorry. What do you mean? Oil to produce grains? Yeah.

What do you mean? Like all of the farm machinery and all the infrastructure to produce. Oh, right. I see what you're saying. It's hugely intensive versus grass just grows. Yeah. Yeah. Or even, say, like fruit and nut trees.

Like they're relatively. When did they start feeding them grains? Early 1970s. There were some fluctuations in food prices, and there was a desire on the part of the U.S. government, I think it was right at the end of Nixon's scene, they started dumping a bunch of subsidy money into intensifying farm production of basically like corn and soybeans and stuff like that. And they wanted to create an export commodity out of that.

And when we started producing all of this grain, like high carbohydrate stuff, we needed to do something with it, which is where we then started, you know, recommending it via things like the food pyramid that you need to eat, you know, 12 servings of whole grains a day and stuff like that. So it was a government sponsored move, which I'm just totally a nutcase libertarian, like I just can't fucking stand the government coming in and subsidizing any industry, because you end up destroying the market forces that would normally control it. So now we have a Twinkie that costs less than an apple, but it really doesn't cost less,

because we're paying for the subsidized production of that food via taxes and via going and acquiring oil and all these other indirect methods. So if you, you had kind of decentralized farming and you have something that looks like the polyface farms where they, they grow cattle and horses and pigs and it's all kind of a self-contained nutrient cycle. So the cattle go through and then the chickens go through and move the,

you know, the cow poop around and then you've got hogs. I've always wanted to live like that. I've always thought that would be such a cool fucking thing to be able to buy a farm somewhere and actually have it set up like that where you get all your food from the ground. From that place. That would be fucking amazing. Move to Ohio.

Sounds like a pain in the dick, though. That's your life. It might be labor intensive. That's your life. That's your life. Forget about jujitsu class. Forget about playing pool. You've got to milk some cows.

You've got to get your kids involved. The kids are going to have to start working. Right. I don't want my kids to work on a farm. Right. Throwing hay and shit. Then a tornado comes. Carries a little jimmy away.

Not always, Brian. Farms aren't always where tornadoes are. You could have a farm in California. But I guess they do have tornadoes in California. They spotted a little one recently. Up chico yeah yeah shit could go down anywhere this whole thing is a big fat crazy mess it could all fall apart the um the idea of this paleo diet is uh to me the most like instantly when i heard about it i was like oh yeah that makes sense you know uh you know i i followed i tried the atkins for a little while and i about it, I was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. I followed.

I tried the Atkins for a little while, and I swear to God, it was one of the worst I've ever felt. Right. I don't know. I think eating too much fat. Atkins is horrible, man. My ex-girlfriend used to do that, and it really kind of pissed me off because it was not healthy at all.

Just watching her sit there only eating cheese every day and bacon fat. I'm just like, come on. I'm more of a Weight Watchers person. But to me, it's like you just need to have a little bit of everything. Right. But a good part of the Atkins diet to me was that you could eat meat and you could eat as much vegetables as you wanted to. Right. That really is.

And if you have somebody who's like type 2 diabetic, they would benefit a lot from something that looks like an atkins diet like type 2 diabetes is a hundred percent it's reversible in that you can take somebody who's not managing their blood glucose and they're on a host of drugs and they're very likely to die from like a heart attack stroke cancer and if you feed them a ketogenic like a moderate protein high fat diet you can shift their body's metabolism to run on ketones and they're going to live amazingly well and they're not going to they're not going to bankrupt you know society because we're spending a bunch of money trying to manage this stuff but for an athlete for somebody who's not metabolically broken i i just like to steer people more towards like the you know fruits veggies yams sweet

potatoes stuff like that for the carbs. When you carb load though, do you get the same carb load from fruits and veggies that you would if you were eating a giant plate of pasta? That's where you use like a yam or a sweet potato or something like that. And it's very, you know, it's like a one for one kind of thing. Same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yams are fucking delicious too.

But meanwhile, if I were to go for a yam or a plate of spaghetti, I'm going to take that spaghetti because it's yummier and I feel like I'm getting away with something when I eat it. You know, the wheat has some opiate-like chemicals in it that stimulate the addiction centers in the brain. I bet it does. Lasagna? That's like heroin. It's very similar, man. Good lasagna, when you're eating it, you're like, oh, shit. It's like some real low-level heroin.

God damn. I've become addicted to trying to find the best mac and cheese. So every time I go to a restaurant, I'm like, damn it, they have one here. I have to get it. Cracker Barrel is pretty good. This motherfucker has the worst diet of all time. Well, I don't have a bad diet. I just eat once a day.

It's all cigarettes and macaroni and cheese. How could that go wrong? Eating once a day. Yeah, I just eat once a day. At least two hours in his car. How could any of that go wrong? It's not going to go right. Yeah.

It's not going to go right. Have you ever thought about working with big-name MMA guys and getting together with some high-level fighters and organizing their food and their camps. I would love to. I've done some consulting for Frank and for Forrest and stuff like that. Yeah, Frank went from a vegan diet, I should explain, to your diet and had much better results, he said. He said he just really felt listless when he was on a vegan diet.

And he said, I think he was joking around about he was probably doing it wrong because he was eating so much carbs that his blood sugar just jacked through the roof. And he was having insulin issues just from eating pasta all the time. And you see that a lot with folks. And so I think if you have somebody eating vegan and they're doing more like yams, sweet potatoes, fruits for their carbs, then they're probably going to do better. But I just don't see people thrive on it. Mac Danzig fights. He's a vegan.

Right. And he does well. Yeah. Very well. He's a very skilled guy. And he's been a vegan forever. He does rice protein. That's his, or he did at least last time I discussed it with him.

But yeah, he's a very strict vegan. Yeah. And, you know, there's also a piece to like the elite athlete scene that they're sometimes not the best people to look to for what everybody should be doing. Because I mean, there are guys out there that can eat anything and still succeed. So it's, you know, it's just something to tinker with, you know, get in and try vegan for a month, see how you do try paleo for a month, see how you do and see which one works for you. Let me tell you about my retarded theory. I think that things that are hard to catch are better for

you. That's why I think deer is so good for you and elk. There's a reason why they're running so fast. Try to get the fuck away. It's because nature set it up so they're hard to catch. Exactly. Fish. Nature set it up so they're really hard to catch. Whereas like cows, you could walk right up to a cow and shoot it in the fucking

head and the other cows near the other cows near it were like, what happened? And they just keep eating their grass. Charlie's gone. Yeah, they're stupid. But even though they're delicious, it's not as good for you as, say, elk is. Like elk is hard to get. It's hard to get an elk.

Right. You know, they're out there running around. That's a real motherfucker out there living in the wild. And you've got to go jack him. Well, if you go fully caveman, if you've got like a hand-thrown spear then you might end up on the business end of yeah so yeah well do you know that people are actually doing that now that is the latest wave in hunting is spear hunting right yeah yeah people are trying to spear deers and shit good fucking luck you lucky that's recreational motherfucker

you're gonna starve to death there there's some YouTube video of me killing a 650-pound elk with a hand-thrown spear. Holy shit. We did a... Where is this video? Pull that shit up. There was a Discovery Channel show called iCaveman. Wow. And we got trained as cavemen and did this shit for like 10 days.

Where is this show? Discovery Channel Curiosity Series. Is it on still? It's still on, yeah. It circulates around. Is it on still? It's still on, yeah. Is it a new show? It was last year. Oh, so it was like a one-off, one episode? That should be a goddamn series, Discovery Channel.

That would be fucking awesome. It was. They had another one. Morgan Spurlock hosted the one that we were on, and Robin Williams did a show on drug use. And so they would get people whacked on just a variety of drugs and do like pet scans on their brain to see what was firing and everything. Yeah. And funny enough, the dude Robert, who was on the show with me for iCaveman, he ended up getting picked for the drug show.

He has a sordid pass. So it was pretty cool. I would think that a show where people would be forced to actually live like a caveman would be fascinating. To make your own spears and try to make your own bows and arrows. You know, you got nothing, man. You're just naked. Right. And then when you want to tap out, you let us know, and you can tap out, and you can come back to civilization.

They gave us clothes, but we had to learn how to make our own fire, make our own tools. And there was this guy, Billy, who was a primitive skills expert. And he could take a big rock, start whacking it, and then have like a stone knife in like five minutes. He was amazing. I wonder if we could have a show like that where there's a big prize. And it's like they have to see like who can live the longest as a caveman. And if you could do it, you'd get something crazy like 5 million bucks. I've had this idea of

the weight loss show, but you've got people that are living this kind of caveman-esque lifestyle. They work out and they eat paleo and they get put through challenges and stuff. But instead of... The punishment would actually be giving them westernized refined food,

not letting them sleep, making them stay up late and play video games. So basically the punishment would be living the westernized lifestyle because it ultimately, say you have a million dollar prize or something and it's all based on body composition change or weight loss or something. But if you give them the only food to eat is shitty food and you keep them awake and you don't let them exercise, then they're not going to lose body weight. That's a great idea. So the punishment is actually living modern life and the only way that you could win like the people who do it best the way that they win is by actually

avoiding the modern scenario so if you can figure out some way to get that thing well i think the idea of people who work out hard and then they get to a certain is that it that's it did they show you killing it yeah if you back up a little bit, you can see me hucking the... It's called an atlantle. A little bit more. At least I think so. Depends on... Yeah. I don't know. I guess more.

Bring it all to the beginning. This is like a teaser, I think. Maybe it's not in that one. If you do... There's this one where somebody recorded the TV. Yeah. This will actually recorded the TV. Yeah. This will actually show the throw. Dude.

Holy shit. So that's me with a helmet cam in the out loud. Wow. So this is on day eight. We've had no food at all for eight days.

Really? I had lost 18 at all for eight days. Really? I had lost 18 pounds. Oh, my God. So you already did this. You already lived like a caveman. This is crazy. Yeah, it was something else. So this is the guy that's a primitive skills expert.

Super cool dude. But unfortunately, he missed. Here's an opportunity to bring home some meat and i blew it rob is our last chance the rest of us are just too far away and these elk can spook at any moment i was getting ready to throw my at-level dart and i was waiting for this elk to turn so that i had the flank and the neck all open. Be ready. Time just was stopped. It felt like the beginning of the world,

the end of the world, and everything was all woven together. You got one. You got one. That one's hit. That one's hit. You got one. I got it in the neck, and I could just see it rifle in, hit the elk in the neck,

the tail end of the dart whipped around, and the elk... Oh, shit. Killshot. A killshot. Wow. Kill shot. A kill shot. Wow. Great job. The hurt scatters. What an incredible shot.

So I'm a total coward, and I knew what we were going to be getting into doing this gig. And so I started, I made my own at-level at home like a month early, and I'd spend like. Explain that. What is it called? It's a spear throwing device? Yeah, it's got a base. If you've ever seen Hi-Li, where you throw the ball, so you've got this base that gives you some leverage,

and then you've got a long, flexible dart that looks like a really flexible arrow, but it's six feet long. It's got a stone tip on the front. And the things, what's the show where the warrior versus warrior or whatever? Like Ultimate? Ultimate. No, that's not Ultimate Warrior, is it? No, it's the one where they – the Warrior vs. Warrior or whatever? Like Ultimate. Ultimate. That's the one that – No, that's not Ultimate Warrior, is it?

No, it's the one that Jason was on. Wasn't it the one that – No, no, no. That was the Human Weapon. But they checked out an atlatl on that show, and it has as much power as a 273 round because of the weight and the velocity you're able to get on it. The leverage from slinging that thing.

How accurate is it? Not very accurate. So you just threw it into the crowd, or did you actually aim for that thing's neck? I aimed for that one. I aimed for its shoulder, and then it went a little high, and actually it was a better shot

than what I was aiming for. You must have been stoked. It was pretty amazing, because I hadn't eaten anything in eight days. How the fuck did you survive after not eating anything for eight days? Dude, you... I lost 18 pounds, one thing. So you run off your body fat.

It's amazing that you had the strength to throw that thing. Yeah. I mean, we had three more days to go to wrap up the experiment. And I did not want to quit. But it was miserable. It was cold. That was outside of Steamboat springs in colorado and the nighttime temperature was like 28 degrees and you're sleeping and we're sleeping outside on

the ground but we had like a hut that we had built and stuff like that but it was fucking cold you weren't starting any fires yeah we made a fire like we had to make a fire with a you know a hand drill and all that oh jesus christ so how come you guys couldn't find anything to eat for eight days well they stuck us up in the mountains because it was beautiful and there was no food like all of the anthropologists were on the show were like yeah all the native americans in this area would be 5 000 feet further down the mountain we were at almost 9 000 feet oh there's not much up there there's nothing there and it was shot in june oh jesus yeah yeah in june at 9 000 feet it gets 28 degrees at night yeah motherfucker yeah it snowed on us the first night that we were there oh god in june yeah wow dude it's not la you killed a

fucking elk with a spear odd waddle or whatever the hell it is at waddle at waddle that's amazing man it was pretty cool that is pretty cool elk are incredible animals man yeah when i uh went to evergreen, there's this crazy photo of the town of Evergreen. It's beautiful. You ever been there? Yeah. Beautiful town up in the mountains above Denver. And there's this photo on the town's website where there's like, I don't know, a hundred elk walking right down the middle of their mainstream.

Right. Completely blocking traffic. It's like, holy shit. What a cool little piece of nature that these delicious animals wander through your whole town by the hundreds and then

make their way through the forest. There's something fucking magical about that, man. It sucks a big fat dick when it snows up there, your car sliding around on mountain roads and all that. That's all terrible. But, man, just the majestic beauty of being in front of a herd of elk and watch them walk across the street, it's like, wow.

Yeah, those animals were amazing. They were totally amazing to behold. When we were out there, they would spook and then run away from us. But some of the bulls would turn around, and it was kind of like, that guy is smaller than I am. Yeah, like, I ain't afraid of you, bitch. Yeah, seriously. And apparently, we're not used to hunters.

Otherwise, they would have run. Well, you know, where that spot was, we were coming up a hill, and the sun was coming up behind us, and the wind was blowing over the elk. So they couldn't see us yet, really. Like, the sun literally was in their eyes. So that was part of the reason why we succeeded that day. And then also, because it was day eight, and we had failed all the other days we only had two camera crew and they were set up like 400 yards away kind of triangulated in on where we were to get uh distant shots so the only local camera we had was on my head and that's part of the reason why we succeeded too usually we had

like six camera guys stomping through the underbrush. Cock blocking the fucking. Yeah. Ridiculous. That's not going to work. No. So how many different times did you actually throw that thing at an elk? I only got two shots off. So the first one went high, which they didn't show in that.

And then my second one hit it. Same day. Yeah. So there was no time during the other eight days where you got a shot. Not me. Not me. Other people went out and had shots, but I never got in a position where we got a shot not me not me other people went out and had shots but i never i never got in a position so no one found any food for the eight days or some folks i mean like dandelions um we we had like four trout one day divided up around among ten people oh so i mean

not not a lot yeah there was a mouse do you eat the you ate a mouse? Oh, what the fuck, man? I cooked it really well, just in case there was like dengue fever in it or something. A fucking mouse? What does a mouse taste like? Well, yeah, it didn't taste good. I don't know, an analogous taste, it just wasn't good. I mean, it was burnt, and you're eating the intestines, and you're crunching through the skull. You ate the intestines and you know you're crunching through the skull it's too small to gut so you just cook it really well and you just start on the front end and finish with the tail end shit so you just chewed it down bones and all oh yeah

mice are pretty fast i guess that kills that theory oh my god have you uh what is that crazy dish that it's a famous dish where they take little birds and they drown them in brandy? What? Ordolon? What is it called? I've never heard of this. I have the, yeah, of course, my crazy friend Duncan turned me on to this. He claims that I turned him on to it, but I think he's crazy.

But the idea is that they would take these birds, and it was some weird, ridiculous delicacy, where they would eat it. Yeah, ordelon, this is what it is. A rite of passage for French gourmets has been eating of the ordelon, these tiny birds captured alive, force-fed, and then drowned in armagnac? I guess it's a type of cognac or something like that. Were roasted whole and eaten that way, bones and all, while the diner draped his head with a linen napkin to preserve the precious aromas and, some believe, to hide from God. Whoa. That's pretty barbaric.

Yeah. Yeah, what the fuck? That's a weird way to eat an animal. I mean, how'd they figure out how to make it delicious? Overfeed it and then drown it in bourbon. In booze. What a weird animal, man. People.

It sounds like a mafia hit. Well, the idea of you wear a hood over your head while you eat it to get the aromas. Right. Like, whoa's that's just weird leave it is that the french of course yeah naturally the creepy weirdos the crazy ideas about drowning birds don't they make foie gras also which is for feeding delicious yeah yeah more yeah more but that shit's really good right yeah that shit, that shit's legit. It's illegal now in California. Right.

You can bring your own foie gras to the restaurant and they'll cook it for you. Oh, really? They can't buy it. Yeah. That's so silly. So now you've, which is another one of these market deals. So you took something that was regulated. People kept track of it.

There were some standards and some hygiene. And so now you've driven it into a black market deal where, yeah. Black market. And by the way, it's not like black market deal where, yeah. Black market. And by the way, it's not like they're running out of goose. Right. We're trying to protect the goose. No, you can kill the fucking shit out of goose.

Right. Geese. You can kill them all day long. Nobody cares. You just can't inflame their livers before you kill them. You have to be nice to them. Meanwhile, if you ever see one of those feeding tubes where they force feed them, they hang out near that feeding tube. They want to get force fed.

They don't have gag instincts. They just know when that thing goes in their mouth, then they're full. Right. You know, we're just, we're so weird with our, what we allow, what we don't. I mean, like, you still allow veal. Like, veal seems to me way crueler than a couple of seconds getting force fed with some grain. You know, veal is a tricky thing.

Or just Jersey Shore. So, yeah. I mean, that seems inhumane too. What do you do? Do you eat veal? If it's there, I do. But, I mean, it's not something that – Do you ever think about how creepy it is?

It's pretty creepy. It's pretty creepy. I mean, it's like Kobe beef. It's all rubbed and massaged and milk fed and everything. Kobe beef is – don't they feed it alcohol? Look at this, Joe. Pita. Get a taste for it alcohol? Look at this, Joe. Pita. Get a taste for that.

Is that pita? Yeah. They're so crazy with their connecting human beings to animals, like force feeding a person. And it's always quasi-sexual kind of thing going on. Yeah, look, she's got her lipstick is running. They're so silly. They're like all extremists.

They're silly. You know? Yep. And one of them will probably kill me someday so because you killed that elk with it with a even more so now did you get hate mail after you did that not hate mail but there was some hate tweeting and uh yeah there was a set at you yeah and there was a woman who why are people upset and meanwhile they're probably meat eaters you know the funny thing is there's a woman who's a cartoonist who is a meat eater, but thought that it was appalling that I hunted an animal.

And I was kind of like, okay. That's so dumb. It's not like I was sitting a quarter mile away with a sniper scope. I was out on my feet. This animal could have stomped me into a bloody mess if it wanted to. So it's about as equal an exchange as you're going to get. Doubt some real shit. You went to war with an animal.

Right. With some shit you made. Right. Right. Yeah. No, I think you win. I think that lady can shut her fucking hole. Shut your hole, lady.

Silly bitch. See you next Tuesday. Shut your meat hole. But it's so dumb if you eat meat. If you actually eat meat, would you prefer your pig to be stuffed into some fucking crazy container and live its life in its own shit until it finally gets slaughtered?

You know, is that somehow or another better if you're not involved? Or do you play some role in... Yeah. It's so weird. We're the strangest animal with this anti-hunting but pro-meat thing. Right. It's like, you're not gonna stop people from eating meat. You can go crazy pita all you want.

You go crazy vegan all you want. For a lot of people, that's blah, blah, blah. In-N-Out is delicious. Barbecue is too fucking good. Right. Tastes too goddamn good. A real good ribeye, medium rare over mesquite coals. Shut your fucking mouth with your quinoa.

It's not as good. I'm sorry's just not it's not well and that's why they're the vegans are always trying to make fake meat yeah they're silly so the fake chicken and shit like that the tofurkey yeah the thing about it is like i yeah it seems like we should evolve past that it seems like we shouldn't be about cruelty and we seems like we shouldn't be about cruelty. But what is the least cruel thing? The least cruel thing is to have an animal live its whole life completely wild and free. They take it out with a bullet. Right. And then

it doesn't know what the fuck is going on. It just hears a branch snap. And it's done. Boom. Right. One through the heart and that's a wrap, son. That's a quick death. That is a lot better than a cow living on a farm. Yet people have a problem with people hunting, and they don't have a problem eating at Burger King. Right.

That is strange. People are strange. We get really weird once we got agriculture and we got the ability to have a surplus. We got the ability to store things. Yeah, I mean, it starts. I think when you were still running farms you were still tied into food because you had to go out and kill your food and like you you know there was a little more tie to it but um you know when you walk into a grocery store and kids really don't understand

that plants grow in the dirt you know that you know that corn or you know an apple or whatever grew from a plant that's in the dirt. They don't even realize that. And then when you go to the meat deal and you understand what's involved with killing and processing an animal, like it's pretty gruesome shit. You know, it's no joke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's no joke.

Do we have to be concerned with a lack of minerals in the topsoil? You know, I've read people have discussed whether or not it's healthy to be trying to replenish them with chemicals and whether or not there's supposed to be like a natural cycle of like leaving certain areas alone for a while and then planting them in the future. Could I answer that after taking a leak? Yeah. Yeah, I saw you turning. I'll be right back.

Go through that door and the last door on the left. Notice, ladies and gentlemen, how strong my bladder is. Yeah, it's not good for you to hold it. To have a strong bladder. To hold it. I used to hold it all the time. Now I try to go. The second I feel like, oh, I might have to pee, I try to go because I used to hold it for long periods of time.

But my bladder, it doesn't hurt me. No, but it just. it doesn't hurt me. No, but it just... It doesn't bother me. If you do that over time, you're going to have a hard time holding your pee in when you get older. What? Yeah. Dude, when I have a hard time holding my pee in... I'm not down with that.

But I don't agree with that. I think that's silly. No. You've never heard that before? No. If it bothered me a lot, I would go pee. Yeah. But it's not really...

I can just hold it longer. I drink a lot of water, too. Maybe it's I'm used to it. Maybe I have a more stretched out bladder. No, I mean, I totally just could never pee all day. I could pee once a day if I wanted to, I think. Only once a day? I used to hold my pee a lot because of jobs that I worked at.

Louis C.K. had a funny bit. You ever hold your pee because you're just so bored he wants to concentrate on something i forget the actual joke but it's so true so bored you're just holding in your pee and tomorrow's uh podcast with uh maynard is going to be ridiculous yeah i mean i wonder if he's going to bring some of his wine i want want to try it. I find that amazing. I think that is just one of the most original things that a rock star has ever done. Call him a rock star, musician, artist. Just decides to become a winemaker.

I think that's amazing. I love the idea behind it. Growing it on his own farm. It's a small operation. They grow the grapes, the whole thing, the whole process. I think that's amazing, man. I'm really, really the whole thing, the whole process. I think that's amazing. I'm really, really interested with, I don't know if I talked about this, about

Francis Ford Coppola's daughter, Sophia Coppola. Her wine company is pretty cool, what she's doing with it. She's doing something that I think is pretty unique, and I'm actually, I'm on board 100%. She's selling something that I think is pretty unique, and I'm actually on board 100%.

She's selling little portable wine in cans, like pop cans, and they're like the small Cokes. If you're by the small Coke cans, they're like in that. Or she has this other one where it's like this little wine glass that just has a peel-off thing, and it has like a resealable lid for it and it's just like completely like the opposite of what you're supposed to drink wine and you're supposed to get the high end like wine it's like like a new version of portable box why doesn't her father Francis Ford Coppola doesn't have a vineyards like a very famous vineyard yeah that's where she she's

doing her own thing I don't know if it's at the same vineyard or not but that's where she's doing her own thing. I don't know if it's at the same vineyard or not. That's kind of smart. Yeah. She does everything her dad does. That's a good move. And your dad's Francis Ford motherfucking Coppola. Then you can do whatever you want. Yeah, why not?

I want to make some portable wine, bitch. Yeah. But when you look at the economy and everything, I mean, instead of driving towards the top end, then you make some cheap box wine style, but in a different delivery deal. Yeah, totally. Yeah. For a lot of people, there's not that much difference between a $30 bottle of wine, a

$5 bottle of wine. Right. You know, especially after the first bottle. So yeah, especially after the first few sips, if you're a sommelier and you're hammered, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Right. Let's be honest. Right.

How bad is alcohol for you? Uh, I mean, the i mean the the poison's all in the the dose so i mean i have a couple drinks a day and and you know not too bad and i stick more with like norcal margaritas just like tequila you drink a couple drinks every day yeah usually you're an animal you don't give a fuck it's's wild. It's crazy. Health and nutrition. You drinking two drinks a day? Probably. Yeah. Yeah, one to two.

Yeah. That's no big deal? I don't think that that's all that big of a deal. If I was in training camp for something, then I would ditch it. Obviously, you know, you need to tighten stuff up. But if you're doing, you know, six, eight drinks a night or, you know, multiple times a week, obviously that's a problem. So, I mean, it's just kind of a dose response curve. You know, if you're on that, if you're a dude, then you can probably get away with a drink or two a day and it's probably healthful in the long run. But

for a female, a little bit less than that. But how is it healthful? Is it healthful because you relax? Does it give you have the drink? Is it helpful? Is there anything in the alcohol? I think it's that stuff. You relax. There's usually some socialization that goes on. There's some stuff in the alcohol. It's interesting. Just being exposed to a stress,

there's this process called hormesis where when you exercise, you get some damage to the muscles or to the cardiovascular system, and your body needs to adapt to that. It's actually the process of adapting that's good for you. Alcohol causes some damage to the cardiovascular system, and your body needs to adapt to that. And it's actually the process of adapting that's good for you. And alcohol causes some damage to the body that then it needs to respond to, and there's some kind of beneficial elements to that. I had a crazy idea when I was younger.

It's a stupid idea, but it was like if you smoke cigarettes, maybe it would make your lungs stronger because they have to fight off the cigarette smoke. I really did think that. You just got to quit when you were about 40. When I was in wrestling, one of the best kids on our wrestling team was a smoker. I was worried about that. That's Sophia's little wine. Yeah, see, it's like kind of selling it like a can of beer.

It's selling it like a hand job. All you're seeing is her hand in the water. You're thinking slippery. Why are we outside? Booze. What are you doing? You're jerking me off. Stop.

You shouldn't do this. This is your dad's house. Yeah. You can't afford that. Francis Ford Coppola's house, no less. Jesus Christ. People are watching.

There must be cameras. Yeah. So one or two drinks a day, no problem. Yeah. Yeah. And I would steer more towards... People right now went,

yes! Because no one ever hears that. Everyone hears alcohol's terrible for you. Yeah, and it's not. I mean, when you... You know, they try to demonize a lot of stuff, whether it's red meat or booze or whatever, because I'm the gluten-free deal, and I love beer,

but beer is loaded with gluten. Yeah, so how do you do that? So I don't drink beer. You don't drink beer. You've got to go margaritas or something. Margaritas, and I've been doing cider. After we spent some time in northern Europe, they do some amazing ciders, so i do some of that stuff so i wonder if it's i get a real weird

heavy feeling from beer that i don't get from other things when i when i have a a couple of glasses of whiskey i get a little i get drunk but i don't get that like the bloat yeah you never drink light beers though you always drink like the he like, the Heinekens. It tastes like ass. Sam Adams. Yeah, I mean, dark beer is really the only way to go, but it's got the most kind of gnarly stuff in it, too. Yeah, like Guinness. Yeah, God, I love that stuff. A lot of bad shit in there, though.

Half and half. Not good for you. Hey, you guys want some half and half? I'll get one. You want to get one right now? Yeah. All right, go get some drinks. I'll do it.

Fuck it. Like, something with clear booze. I'll get one. You want to get one right now? Yeah. All right, go get some drinks. I'll do it. Fuck it. Like something with clear booze. I'll pass on it. Get something with clear booze. Okay, I'll get some clear booze. Is the bar open? I don't know. What time is it?

It's only 5.15. Maybe. The fuck are you doing? You're promising shit you can't deliver. I'll see if I can get something. So what about coffee? Dig coffee. Yeah.

And when you look at the epidemiology probably the more you drink the better some people or you drink yeah i mean it's like three four cups a day now the problem is that usually people don't drink espresso or straight coffee they're usually dumping a bunch of sugar in it so that's kind of the the caveat with it but uh it decreases diabetes rates there you go drinking my coffee you just drank your diabetes away yeah yeah really elusive what say that again about diabetes decreases diabetes rates it decreases cardiovascular disease rates like it's good it's good stuff wow yeah but now let's take that let's say you're a police or firefighter and you're working night shift and you're working out

like crazy and you're using caffeine to like drive a lifestyle that is totally over the top then it's not necessarily good it's gonna it's gonna get into some adrenal fatigue your adrenals are the you know the hormones that release cortisol and it deals with stress and you can completely bomb that whole system out and then you can drop testosterone levels and drop your immune function that That happened with a friend of mine. He quit coffee for that very reason. His adrenal started failing. Right, right.

So you can overdo it in that regard, but it's kind of like lifestyle plus bad lifestyle plus too much coffee is bad. But if you have a lifestyle that's a little bit more sedate, like when we go on vacation, I can drink coffee all day long and it doesn't phase me. When I'm working and I've got deadlines and stuff and I've got that base level of stress, then I can't do much coffee. That's interesting because that's when a lot of people would think that you would need it. You're stressed out. You need, you need some energy. Then you take the

coffee. Yeah. I, that's when you could overdo it. Interesting thing. Like if you, uh, for more cognitive type stuff like writing or trying to do creative work doing nicotine gum yeah i've heard of that yeah that's crazy it's amazing that's one of the things that uh stephen king said he missed about smoking he said the synaptic responses when he was writing it would be like much improved with with cigarettes yeah and the nicotine the big that's the right way to say it. Synaptic response. Is that what's going on when you're writing?

Yeah. Just making connections and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Creativity. And nicotine gum can make you creative. Yeah. And,

and like there's good studies showing that, uh, uh, nicotine is preventative against Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. It must be good for your heart too, right? Yeah. That's ridiculous.

But you've got to remove the delivery system, which is tobacco. Well, which is 590 different chemicals jammed into tobacco. In addition to all that stuff, yeah. I did a thing once. It's me and my friend Adam Ferrara. He used to smoke cigarettes. I don't know if he still does. He's a comedian on that TV show Top Gear in the United States.

Yeah, yeah. We did a thing together a long time ago, this play thing, and I had to play this poet who was completely full of himself and smoked all day and smoked like a Frenchman, smoked backwards. And I only smoked like four or five cigarettes while we were rehearsing this day, and I had to quit. I said, I can't do this part. I can't do it, man.

I feel like I'm going to throw up. I can't smoke a cigarette. The whole thing was I'm supposed to be smoking the whole time. I'm like, how the, I can't do this part. I can't do it, man. I feel like I'm going to throw up. Right. Like, I can't smoke a cigarette. Like, the whole thing was I'm supposed to be smoking the whole time. Like, how the fuck do you guys do this? Like, this is nuts. Like, you're poisoning the shit. Like, I felt like I was becoming a vampire. Right.

Like, I felt it taking over me. I'm like, no. No, no, no. You got to take these back. What a madness, you know? Yeah. I mean, when you look at tobacco, like, whenever it hits somewhere, it spreads fast, and it sticks pretty hard. Well, the real madness is how many people fucking die from it, and yet it's still so prevalent.

And even amongst young people, in 2012, the internet out there, for whatever reason, there's this weird romantic pull towards self-destruction through use of tobacco. It's really fucking strange to me. towards self-destruction through use of tobacco. It's really fucking strange to me. You ever read Malcolm Gladwell's books? Was his The Tipping Point? I think it was The Tipping Point, but he talked about the fact that if you try to demonize something and make it not cool,

that kids are going to gravitate towards it even more. Of course, of course, of course. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, anything their parents don't want them to do. Get the fuck away from me. They just want to stop telling me what to do, you cocksucker. Right. Give me that cigarette.

Oh, my dad's an asshole. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. But that hopefully can be avoided. Sorry, the bar was closed so I couldn't get any clear drinks. No problem. No problem. But I have vodka and ice if you want that.

Yeah, because otherwise it's only us drinking. I'm going to drink this Guinness with pride now, knowing it's actually good for me, sort of, kind of, but not the wheat. Yeah, if we can figure out some way to make it without wheat or barley. It's just shitty for your body. What is the best alcohol? Is there a better alcohol to drink? Just anything clear, like vodka, tequila.

Whiskey now? Whiskey. Whiskey's clear? Yeah. I mean, it just, you know, I mean, it doesn't have sugar. It doesn't have gluten. So, holy cat. Wow. What is that in there?

It's a whole lot of vodka. Uh-oh. Trying to get them fucked up, man. Does marijuana have any adverse effects on performance yeah i mean it's going to impact lung function to some degree if you really go to town on marijuana it's got enough of a phyto estrogenic effect that you can suppress testosterone like when that old like wives tale about dudes growing tits because they smoke too much weed is that like their diet it's you can't grow tits can you you? You can't grow tits, but you can suppress testosterone production.

How much do you have to be smoking to do that? You need to smoke a lot. I mean, a lot. You've got to go crazy. Yeah. But, you know, pot's another. It's interesting when contrasted with, say, like tobacco. You don't see the same type of emphysema.

You don't see the same type of like carcinogenic effects, even though you've got all, I mean, you're creating a ton of different chemicals. When you burn something, you make these things polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, these, you know, soot particles that get in between DNA and can cause problems. When you look at the research on marijuana use, you just don't see the same types of things popping up. Now for a hard charging athlete, I think that you would probably be better off if you want to use you just don't see the same types of things pop popping up now for a hard charging athlete i think that you would probably be better off if you want to have a relaxing evening like making some brownies or something like that like the delivery system is going to change the effects

a lot for sure well the delivery delivery system changes the effects but it's also vaporizing which is the same sort of delivery system very similar similar delivery system, but you're just getting the THC vapor and you're not getting all the carbon. Other goodies, yeah. All the burnt shit. Right. They say that marijuana smoke is actually an expectorant and it's good for cleaning out lungs. If you've got some shit in your lungs and you smoke something, but that could just be pot talk. There's some stuff like mullein also, which is used for that.

I could see that to some degree. What like mullein also, which is used for that. I could see that to some degree. What is mullein? It's actually a North American herb, like traditional Native American kind of medicine, stuff like that. Weed. It has some other benefits, but in folklore, it's used as an expectorant as well. But yeah, in folklore, it's used as an expectorant as well. Now, what about like Advil and ibuprofen and non-steroidal anti-inflammatories? Are those dangerous for your body?

They're super dangerous. Really? Each year, thousands of people, I don't know, like it'd be easy to do a doctor Google on that, but see how many deaths there are each year due to NSAIDs, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory overdoses. And there's some really fucked up stuff. Like with Vicodin, they pair Vicodin with acetaminophen, Tylenol, with the express purpose so that people don't take more of it to get like a narcotic effect because it will cause liver damage. And there are thousands of people that end up dying inadvertently

because they may have a drink and then they take some Vicodin, which you're not really supposed to do. But the acetaminophen makes the whole thing so much more toxic. Like they're literally killing people into no better effect versus taking, you know, if somebody has some legitimate pain, just taking some opiates is going to be really powerful on that. You may not want to stay on that forever because the stuff is super addictive and has all kinds of other side effects.

But a lot of our kind of drugs policy, even on the orthodox, you know, over-the-counter side is really goofy. And the stuff is dangerous. Like there are a lot of people who will work out, get sore, take NSAIDs to go work out again. What is NSAIDs? Non-steroidal anti-inflammatories. And it's bad on a lot of levels. One of them, you know, I mentioned the hormesis before, like the adaptation to exercise.

If you take NSAIDs in conjunction with exercise, you're blocking some of the adaptation. So it's that same thing. It's kind of like, you know, exercising and missing sleep. Like you're not going to adapt to the exercise the way that you want to. So if you have a backache and you take ibuprofen, you're actually fucking yourself. You're fucking yourself out of some potential healing. Yeah.

You know, but it's tough. So like I tweaked my back a number of years ago. I used to compete in powerlifting. And one time I did something wrong. My SI joint got tweaked and like I couldn't stand up. Like I was totally, you know, bent over sideways, twisted up. And so taking some ibuprofen then can relax the muscles a little bit. It brings the inflammation down.

But you use it in acute fashion. You use it for like, you know, a day or two for a specific problem instead of what folks do, which is basically staying on it continuously. So that those people are fucking themselves. Yeah. You're poisoning yourself. Yeah. What about for athletes? Is there a negative effect of it that is shown in camps?

There's problems with increased tendon ruptures because the tendons don't heal, decreases cardiac output. So there's a lot of reasons for not using it. And for just taking some fish oil, getting your vitamin D levels up by either being out in the sun or supplementing with vitamin D, smart training, periodizing your training a little bit, you know, stuff like that. Yeah. I've never heard that ibuprofen was so bad. That's so important. That's such important information.

I had always felt like it can't be good, but I had no idea it was that bad for you. It's really, and it's, you know, it's very powerful for like an acute injury. So you tweak your back, you roll an ankle or something, and it really suppresses inflammation very powerfully. So use it then and use it then only. Yeah. Yeah. Use it, you know, like one dose to try to knock inflammation down.

So when people, you know, when people say, oh, I have a headache, give me those things. They just pop them all the time. It's a horrible idea. Okay. Yeah. Very important. I have a lot of friends me those things, they just pop them all the time. It's a horrible idea. Okay. Yeah. Very important. I have a lot of friends who could benefit from that information. Yeah.

What should you take when you have inflammation? Is there any sort of dietary remedy or is there anything that you could replace ibuprofen with that's a good anti-inflammatory that's actually beneficial or healthy? Fish oil and vitamin D, just keeping those levels up. Just those two. Fish oil really does work. For folks who don't know, I mean, if you've ever had joint pain, you know, in jujitsu, a lot of guys get elbow pain. You're always like fighting off arm bars and kamuras and stuff, and your joint gets tweaked a lot. Neck cranks. Fish oil makes a fucking tremendous difference. A real difference between me walking around in no pain or me

walking around like, eh, what's that? You know, you really feel a difference. I mean, it sounds crazy that you're actually like lubing your joints, but that really is what's going on. Yeah. And you get a lot of mileage out of fish oil. Vitamin D is really, really important. And I, how much fish oil should you take a day? Two to four grams, which isn't a ton, but you know, two to four grams. So when you have a milligram, you should take 10 of those or 100 milligrams a thousand milligrams is a gram right so 10 that's what i take i take 10 a day 10 of the uh 100 milligrams oh really okay so they must be really small okay yeah yeah so that's gonna be

like that's one gram yeah yeah um you take two grams yeah, you're an animal. How many capsules is that? I bet yours are 1,000 milligrams. I bet they're a one-gram capsule. So if they are, then it's how many for a gram? Two to four of those is plenty. But for 1,000 milligrams, how many? It's one gram. Oh, it is one gram.

Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Well, I'm going off, dude, because I'm taking 10 of those. You travel a lot and stuff. You're probably fine. So it's probably good? Yeah.

It makes a difference, man. When I don't do it, it sounds ridiculous. I take five in the morning and five at night. You're probably fine. So it's probably good? Yeah. It makes a difference, man. When I don't do it, it sounds ridiculous. I take five in the morning and five at night. But when I don't do it, I feel a difference. You take it with food though, right? Always. Yeah. Cool.

Something that I do that I just incorporated because someone told me that you said this. I don't even know if you really said this, but I have a kale shake every morning and I start incorporating some fat into it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. To absorb the vitamins better. Is that what it is? Yeah.

I use coconut oil. Is that good? That's great. Yeah. I. To absorb the vitamins better? Yeah. Is that what it is? Yeah. I use coconut oil. Is that good? That's great. Yeah. I'm still not a fan of shakes usually, but yeah. It tastes like dog shit, but I eat them, man. Have some bacon and eggs. Nope.

Nope. Bacon and eggs are just as good? You like kale shakes? I do. I like the way it makes me feel, man. It's one thing when I blend kale and like uh kale and cucumber and i use a big chunk of um uh ginger and four or five cloves of garlic i've been going with five lately and then pineapples the new fruit i used to use pears and then the coconut oil and i'm telling man it's so

rich it feels so ridiculously nutritious like right when i eat it my body's like whoa first of all the garlic and the ginger alone just makes your whole body go, whoa. It's like sends a message like, holy shit, we're delivering some fucking good. All exits open. I tried to make it, Joe. I couldn't do it.

Hey, you're not as good a man when it comes to eating terrible, disgusting shit. Yeah, I hate ginger. And it was just too thick. Dude, your poop, though. Oh, my god. I've never been i've never enjoyed pooping more in my life it's like it becomes it would be epic you would be like a

goose yourself at that point becomes an event yeah because i eat normal at night but that's how i start off every day we are live i started doing this because of uh kevin james kevin james did this movie called uh here comes the boom where he plays an MMA fighter. It comes out in October. And he lost 80 pounds for this movie. And the way he lost it was by, he went on a totally vegan diet. And the first thing he did every day, but he had a chef prepare him food all day long while he was in training for this movie. So he didn't have to make any choices.

It was all in front of him. This is what you're going to eat for dinner. Here's your snack. Everything is, so the food was just falling off off them but the beginning of every day is a kale shake and it's like you gotta just choke it down the benefits of it that are spectacular you don't you don't agree with that i would go more for like bacon and eggs and a double espresso it sounds awesome i love this guy i'm changing everything i'm going back you you know that whack of protein just releases a bunch of dopamine in the brain.

You're happy. You're centered. You're focused. The caffeine releases dopamine. So like bacon and coffee. Bacon and eggs and coffee is good. When you feel love. I'll tell you Joe. You look into your wife's eyes and you feel love.

You're feeling dopamine. Bacon and coffee release dopamine. So bacon and coffee are love. Whoa, that's incredible. Bacon and coffee are love. It totally makes sense why they're so delicious. Like there's an emotional connection to them. As with chocolate, right?

Right, right. There's an emotional connection to the foods as well. Bacon and coffee are love. Try one month of bacon, eggs, and coffee, and then try one month of kale shake and let me know which one you like better. But doesn't the kale shake, isn't the nutrients really important? The nutrients you get from

kale shakes, I mean, they make me feel great. I fucking love it. I'm going to keep eating it for the poop alone. Give it a whirl. Try it out for one month. But I mean, you don't need all those vitamins in the kale. You don't need all those vitamins in the kale you don't need all those vitamins in the celery and the cucumber and the garlic and the all great but i mean you could you could get that with a salad later and and you know it's like if you just as good yeah really so in throw some salad you know

eating this giant bundle of vegetables ground down to like a liquid. Right. I'm not like benefiting myself and having all those extra nutrients. You are, but so the fact that you put coconut oil in there is good because a lot of people make all that stuff low fat. And a lot of the phytochemicals, a lot of the antioxidants only dissolve in fat. So when you put that, it's kind of like doing an extract. So just a regular salad is not good enough. You have to have some, like have a good ranch dressing or something. Or olive oil or something, yeah. But not with blue cheese.

You have to put fat on it. Ranch dressing. Not with wings. That absorbs more nutrients out of the wings. So you really do need some fat in your dressing if you want to absorb all the nutrients of your salad. That's amazing. Because people always say, I want the low-fat, low-fat this and low-fat that. And they're not getting nutrients that way. And all the nutrients are just sho. That's amazing. You know, cause people always say, I want the low fat, low fat, this and low fat, that they're not getting nutrients. And all the nutrients are just shushing in and out. And like, before I had to take a leak, you asked me about like minerals

and stuff like that. And it's a, a bunch of the things that you would normally be able to get out of food is, is it, you know, it's enhanced the way you absorb it. If you have some fat with it. That's amazing. So when people just eat a regular salad, just straight lettuce and greens, you're really fucking yourself. You really should have something. You should have something with it. Either eat some meat with it. Almond butter, some meat, chicken, something.

Something fatty. So you need something fat. So if you're vegan, then you would throw some almond butter in it. You'd have some coconut oil in it or something like that. And if you just eat vitamins on their own, it's useless. Vitamins on an empty stomach doesn't really work. You don't absorb them as well. And like what percentage you think you would absorb? Oh gosh. You know, I mean, your pee still turns fluorescent. So I mean, you're still absorbing it with that regard, but the vitamins definitely work synergistically with

a lot of the products and food. So I think it's smarter to just take it with that. So you get some sort of an effect if you take it on an empty stomach but a very minimalized, much less effective? Stomach upset would be one possibility. That's a big one. Yeah, hard pills especially,

like compact and multivitamins or something like that. Yeah, you might be passing a nugget. Would nuts and salad be better than say ranch dressing, full on ranch dressing? Ranch dressing is delicious especially with bacon yeah so yeah well this motherfucker's trying to lose weight though

he doesn't want that ranch dressing which should he which i mean nuts that are nuts high in fat that'd be a good option raw nuts especially right yeah because you tend not to overeat them it's that palatability thing again so if you roast them and salt them, they taste better and you can eat more. That's right. You go off. That's true. I don't eat raw almonds nearly as much as those ones when they're smoky. Those smoky almonds. I don't know what that smoky shit is. It's yum. It's a smoky yum. It can't be good for you. So there's no need for kale shakes. Is this what you're telling me? Because I've been living off this for months.

I mean, if you like it, definitely go for it. But, you know, I think some of the mixed green, you know, foods can be kind of cool. But it's... Some dude just walked in. Why don't you lock the door, son? Shit's ridiculous. Somebody just walked in. We have a non-secure studio.

Oops. Normally always secure um so i so you don't need all those nutrients and how much vegetable uh nutrients do you need in a day if you're if you're gonna eat like bacon and eggs for breakfast now here's the deal like bacon and eggs for breakfast because people usually whine about you know i don't have time i you know i i need to get stuff done quickly so i i call it like the meat and nuts breakfast where it's basically like some eggs, some bacon, some, you know, like some Turkey with some almonds or something like that. So it's quick, it's easy. You get a dose of dopamine, you get, you know, your hormones kind of balanced going right out of the gate. If somebody is a hard charging athlete, they're probably going to need to throw some carbs in it. I'm just saying like like general so if you're going to work out later in the day you

might want to start with like some fruit or like some yams or some sweet potatoes or something like that with this but that first meal if you make it mainly protein and fat you have good rock solid energy level um i usually train at noon like if i'm able to get into jits at noon then i eat it either one or two and so I'll eat lunch then. So I usually do like that protein. So what do you do for breakfast? Breakfast is usually bacon and eggs or something like that. Bacon and eggs, and then you go train.

A couple hours later, four hours later, I train. With carbs? Post-workout, I eat like a giant sweet potato, like mega sweet potato with some protein. And I've got some veggies. And then my dinner is a little bit of protein with like a metric ton of veggies and then some fat. So like I'm doing like a boatload of like cooked veggies or like a salad or something. So I'm getting all the veggies kind of at the end of the day with a bunch of fat. I'm streamlining my breakfast, but I'm getting

enough protein in the morning so that my energy level is good, my blood sugar good and all that stuff and then i'm recovering from training by doing some post workout carbs and say like if i'm doing when i start doing jits because i'm old now and just beat down and everything i'm not really doing much else i might lift weights a little bit or do a little gymnastics but i'm not really needing a lot of glycogen repletion between workouts but if you had somebody that was doing multiple sessions a day then you just start doing more carb repletion between workouts. But if you had somebody that was doing multiple sessions a day, then you just start doing more carb repletion feeds. So breakfast would be protein and yams and sweet potatoes and fruit. So you throw down the carbs based on what glycogen you're burning in your workouts.

I've never heard anybody advocate bacon and eggs for breakfast with coffee. Sounds like a heaven. It seems too good to be true, man. What about potatoes? Are they good, bad? Great post-workout. Post-workout because you're depleted of sugar. The carbohydrate density.

Yeah. But not good just as a meal. Not good like you're eating dinner with a steak and potatoes. The potato's not good. Yeah. What is wrong with potato as opposed to sweet potato? Is it fiber? Less nutrients, but again, it's a little bit specific to the person.

Somebody like you that's lean and athletic and doing a lot of activity, then for dinner, a piece of meat with a baked potato or a sweet potato, that's fine because you've got the activity level where you need that level of carb intake. Somebody that's trying to lose some weight and they maybe have some insulin dysregulation, like their blood sugars go high and low, their insulin goes high and low, they would probably be better off not having that. So folks want to paint like a kind of a one-size-fits-all picture, but it's very specific. It's like, are we talking about a metabolically broken type 2 diabetic? Are we talking about an athlete? Are we talking about an athlete? Are we talking about just kind of a recreationally active stay at home mom?

You know, so it's really important to consider who are we talking about? What are their goals? What are they working towards? And that will steer the boat, both with regards to their training and also their nutrition. Yeah. I've also, I've always felt that with, with athletics, that there's a reason why when you have a heavy weightlifting workout, you crave meat. I mean, it's a very distinct craving. If you're a meat eater, if you're the type of person who eats meat, when you work out, right away, like right when it's over, you want a fucking steak.

You want a burger. You want some. Your body is saying, give me some meat, bitch. Right, right. It's probably an instinct that i mean your your your muscles in your body are probably sending a message right yeah and it's a great way to stabilize your blood sugar you eat some protein and that is going to be a slow release glucose into your system because your body can convert the amino acids into glucose like kind of the

ideal thing is like a pretty good whack of protein with a little bit of carbs. It just keeps things nice. Should you not drink water while you eat? You know, it's not a bad idea and it's a little bit lunatic fringe, but you dilute the digestive enzymes a little bit. And I think that you probably have better digestion without, you know, liquids during the meal. So like, and part of it too, you notice when people drink liquid with their meal, they just kind of gum their food once or twice and then they take some water and like shoot it down. Yeah, their eyes bulge because it's like a python swallowing like a swamp rat or something.

It is true. People chew less. We're so lazy. We'd rather drink water with it than chew. To shoo shit down. Yeah, yeah. People are so fucking stupid. So it's better to not have water with it and to chew your food up really well.

Totally. When you wake up, now Mike Dolce says you wake up, you should have like eight ounces of water before you do anything. I think that's smart. Yeah. Start the process. Yeah, I mean even more than that. How much water do you drink a day? I don't know.

You know, when I get up, I usually do almost a quart of water. A quart of water. Yeah, and I do maybe half of it, you know when i get up i usually do almost a quart of water i actually water yeah and i i do maybe half of it you know in a pretty good shot and then yeah because it that stimulates like the digestive stuff so i'll do that how hot not super hot i mean it just just warm so it's not like you know frozen cold because i'm getting it out of the filter out of the fridge i'll pop it in the microwave and heat it up just a little bit, you know, so it's like room temperature or something. So I'll do half of that. Like immediately I'll go sit down on the computer, start checking email. I've got a stovetop espresso maker where I've got coffee that starts brewing. I've got a timer for

that. That's six minutes. Usually I finish the water within like six to 10 minutes. And then I throw my bacon on my grill, which I grill it really low temperature long time like 200 degrees slow slow grilled you slow grill bacon yeah why do you do that amazing it is amazing you bacon every day not every day but i mean a lot of days but you know i'll go through a tear where i have bacon a lot and then i won't have it for two months three months like i'll just be like i'm over it and I'm done. Yeah. So you slow grill it over like a regular grill. Like it's electric grill, you know, like nonstick deal. And, and I just put it on 200 and it's slow grills for like two hours and it just

makes it so amazing. Two hour bacon. Yeah. That's like a fetish type thing. It is. That sounds like heaven. But the, the, the, how it's like a fetish type thing. It is. That sounds like heaven. It's like burning incense. It's bacon incense. You're completely blowing my mind in so many ways on this show. I just had blood work done for life insurance. I'm 40 years old. New York Life did the full deal, crawled up my hoo-ha, all the blood work and everything. I have the blood work parameters, the biop bio parameters of somebody who's 28 years old.

So like they gave me the perfect health score. They've never had a 40 year old male with as good a biomarkers as I have. That's incredible. Yeah, yeah. And I was talking to their underwriter about the whole paleo thing. And I'm like,

because the one thing they ding me on, I'm 5'9", 175 pounds. And so according to their charts, I was overweight. And I was like, well, I lift weights, and I'm reasonably lean, and I shot them pictures and everything. The guy's like, okay, that's cool. That's hilarious. That's such a stupid way of finding out if someone's overweight. The BMI.

Yeah. So stupid. Yeah. It's like, it's just saying, nah, there's no variables. Right. It's ridiculous. And being 180 pounds and 5'9 is equal whether you lift weights or whether you are overweight yeah i'm eat twinkies it's so it's it's such a silly

thing people look at that like you need to go and get your body fat tested you need to get your your body mass indicator needs to be done do you think soaking or the electrical when we stand on it what's the best one to figure out like the out? The immersion tank is really the only way to go. That's the best way to go? The other stuff is so highly variable. Oh, yeah? Yeah, and most of it is geared towards overweight people. So if you have an athletic population using it, it's not even on the same planet.

It's not even close, yeah. Yeah, I've heard that the one that tests you if you stand on it and you know if it gets your body fat if you're dehydrated it registers that as more fat right it's more resistance for the electricity to pass through your system yeah fascinating i probably run like eight eight to ten percent body fat reasonably lean not like not like ridiculously lean but reasonably lean and there was some sort of a health fair going on and i jumped on one of these scales and it put me at 32 body fat fat. Whoa. And you, you could imagine that maybe it's like, okay, maybe it's 12 or maybe even 15, which would be almost 50% off,

but it was like, right. Okay. Yeah. There's something seriously broken. What is your normal body fat? I think like seven to seven to 10, eight to 10, something like that. You like to stay at that reasonably lean. Yeah. If you get leaner than that then i notice my performance tanks yeah so like you would like to be like kind of rag pit fight club lean but then like you can't actually fight you can't yeah isn't that funny yeah well dudes that are really super lean when you see them competing in mma that have cut an incredible amount of weight how much of an impact does that have just the fact that even when they rehydrate they have to fight so lean yeah i don't don't know. It depends on the individual. Some people run lean and still have some good performance.

But, you know, wired into our brain, wired into our genetics is a really tightly controlled mechanism to know how much body fat we have. And usually we want some, not too much, because you start getting unhealthy with too much. But if you start getting really, really lean, your body registers that as a stress because you don't have much survival reserve. Like if there was a starvation scenario, then your body starts getting anxious about that and it'll elevate cortisol, it'll suppress your work output

because it doesn't want you to be too lean. Dude, you're making people so happy today. Do you understand what you're doing here? You're saying bacon and eggs in the morning is good. You're saying coffee is good. Look what I just bought off of ThinkCake. You're saying you need some fat. You're saying a couple of drinks is okay.

Tactical bacon. Oh, nice. It lasts for 10 years. It has 18 servings. Oh, that can't be good, Brian. Whatever. You want to get real bacon, son. You listen to what he said about preservatives? It is real bacon. That's some shit of your dying.

You're in a fucking bunker. No, if you're camping and you need to use your bacon. That's not tactical. And you run out of the bacon. Camping is not tactical. There's a fucking AK-47 on the trunk. It shows you what that is. That box is designed for when the end of the world comes, you need bacon.

The doomsday bunker. Don't eat the shit that's only going to be here at the end of the world, okay? I would say get some real bacon you silly bitch so what i need to do is start my own farm and cook my own bacon slow for two hours that's a yeah that's how you started off yeah dude that's the route to like a happy life but how do you start when do you start the bacon i get up we we have a three month old-old kid now, daughter. And so I take the early morning shift. So I grab her from my wife about 5.30 or 6, play with her, get the bacon going, do all that stuff. So I'm up then, yeah.

It's a fetish thing. Two-hour bacon, it's a bit fetish. Well, you know, I'm cooking it ahead of time because my wife gets up around 8. And so I'm cooking it. And then about the time she starts getting up, then I some eggs going my coffee's already been done i make her some coffee and then we get the whole how did you know that this is a good move to have it slow cook for two hours so my buddy matt lalonde who's a harvard phd chemist and just we call him the kraken it's like unleash the kraken youken. He's just a wickedly smart dude. But he did all this research, and he's like, slow cooking meat is the only way that you should do it.

You're a moron if you do anything else. Really? Yeah. That's crazy because I cook steaks quick. Yeah. They're so good, too. They're super good. And I mean, the grilling deal is, you know, there's a big argument for it.

How do you get like a sear? How do you get like that outer crispy brown? You don't. But you think about some of like the pit barbecue and stuff, which is slow cooked. It's amazing. Pretty good. There's some trade-offs. I like that, too, but I also like a medium-rare steak that's done correctly. I guess the Argentinian method of cooking steaks is a low and slow cooking method.

They have a love of steak as well. Right. And really good meat. It's all grass-fed. Yeah. Well, that's how most of the fucking world is. I love that Brazil just won a big lawsuit over Monsanto. Do you know this?

No, I didn't hear about this. I know that Monsanto was trying to push into Mexico. Yeah, I'm sure they're going to push everywhere eventually. But Brazil won some multi-billion dollar lawsuit. A bunch of farmers from Brazil won against Monsanto. It's just we've got to figure out a way to let people grow grass and have the animals eat grass because that's the healthiest way. I mean, it really – people – it should be – someone should be able to say, hey, listen. This is – you guys are – we're being silly here.

Let's do this the way these animals are supposed to be eating. We see what happens when we make them eat animals, when we make them eat themselves, which is the most insane thing about farming ever. Right. The mad cow disease, ladies and gentlemen, if you don't know, was started because they made cows eat other fucking cows. And they just had another E. coli breakout. And the way that this E. coli becomes

problematic, when you feed cattle grains, it increases the stomach acid content in the cattle. It gives them GERD, a gastroesophageal reflux disease type deal because of the elevated acid. And this E. coli that is normally killed by stomach acid, you selectively breed it to survive high acid environment. So the stuff that normally our own stomach acid, you selectively breed it to survive high acid environment. So the stuff that normally our own stomach acid would kill because we feed the cattle grains instead of grass, we actually produce like a super bug that then if it gets some other genetic modifications, it makes it deadly and it can survive going through the digestive process where normally we would kill it. So, you know, the grain feeding of cattle is just like it's super expensive it's dirty it's it's uh it's subsidized yeah yeah but there is a benefit

of packing on more fat on the animal which makes it a little bit more juicy when you cook it yeah i mean but you know it's it's interesting though like if you you find folks like we spend a bunch of time in in nicaragua and stuff and the from there, you get used to eating the meat that's grass-fed, and it's definitely leaner, but it's very, very flavorful, and it's different. It's more gamey almost. It's almost a little more gamey, yeah. People have that association with gamey. I think vibrant.

That's when I say gamey. I don't mean funky. Grass-fed meat tastes more like butter. Yeah. You know, it's got kind of like a buttery consistency to it. Yeah. Grass-fed beef is really delicious. Yeah.

Grain-fed beef is a little bit more, well, they're sick. I mean, that's really what it is. You're eating a sick animal. That's why I don't like Kobe. Yeah. Yeah. Scary stuff. Yeah.

The one in Food, Inc. when they had the hole in the animal side because it was like it's fucking stomach acids were rotting yeah it's a race against when you feed cattle grains it's a race against time to get them fat enough to take them to market before they die from all the gastrointestinal problems here's here's an interesting thing there's a guy uh dr michael leads who's kind of a longtime low-carb guy, but he's kind of a paleo guy too, really interesting dude. But he was doing some research on just like diets and different things, and he went to – he's from Arkansas, so he went to a feed lot, a feed store,

and he asked the guy, hey, what do you feed animals to get them fat, like horses and cattle and pigs and all that? And they're like, well, the guy upstairs has this manual manual and it was like feeding manual for weight gain in animals or something and he opens it up and when you looked at the ratios of protein carbohydrate to fat it was like identical to the food pyramid i mean fucking spot on whereas used to we you know like the four food groups even which like when you and I were kids was still more the gig. You typically ate more fat, more protein, and less carbs just in general. So it was really interesting.

Like the formula, the standardized formula in this huge tome of a book to get animals fat for sale was identical to like the food food ratio is recommended by the ada wow it's a fattening diet because of the carbohydrate content because the allowance for for refined sugars and stuff like that and you said this all started being implemented in the 1970s the recommendation for grains yeah you know prior to like the late 60s early 70s whenever you went to a doctor and you were overweight you were recommended you were prescribed a low-carb diet. For like 100 years, that was the norm. And this is, Gary Taubes wrote a really interesting book, Good Calories, Bad Calories. It's huge. Like, you can only read it like a page at a time. It's like reading biblical text. It's super thick. But for 100 years, it was just understood that if you were overweight, you cut out beer, potatoes, pasta, rice, eat protein and fat and green vegetables, and you lost weight.

And it was just woven into all of medicine. And then around the 1950s, we had this idea that heart disease was caused by fat consumption, which had never been borne out by the science. It was, interestingly, a vegetarian on a political committee that kind of put this thing forward and ended up enacting a bunch of the laws that pushed this stuff forward. And we've spent billions of dollars trying to prove that saturated fat causes cardiovascular disease.

They had the Framingham Heart Study, which was 30, 30 000 nurses or something like that tracked over like 30 years and the nurses that ate the most fat the most saturated fat ate the most calories were the leanest had the highest energy levels intended to be the longest lived and so every i mean it's totally the emperor's new clothes type thing like everything we've been told is just fucking wrong. Like, and not petite mall wrong, like ground mall wrong. It's horrible. What about salt causing problems? A lot of things in biology have what's called a U-shaped curve.

So like if you have too low of intake, you have a high rate of disease. As the intake increases, disease drops to a low point. And then above a certain point disease starts going up and there's so many nutrients and biological processes exercise is a good one you don't have any exercise you're likely to die from a host of problems you have a good amount of exercise your likelihood of being healthy and dying decreases too much exercise and you're like the diet that dies during an ultra marathon so salt is exactly the same. Like we should have some salt and it's actually,

it's like three to five grams a day. It's a reasonably high level that hits that really low ebb of decreasing, yeah, being beneficial. There are some people that respond very negatively to chloride, which salt is sodium chloride

and they respond very negatively to it. They retain water. It jacks up their blood pressure. So there are some people that they need to be pretty which salt is sodium chloride, and they respond very negatively to it. They retain water. It jacks up their blood pressure. So there are some people that they need to be pretty low salt. Otherwise, they're going to have cardiovascular problems. So does it cause hypertension in people if they overdose in it, or is that a misnomer? It can, but interestingly, when you consume carbohydrate and your insulin levels go up, when insulin goes up, another hormone called aldosterone goes up, and aldosterone causes your body levels go up. When insulin goes up, another hormone called

aldosterone goes up and aldosterone causes your body to retain salt. And when you retain salt, you retain water. So it's actually an indirect way that sodium elevates blood pressure. But if your insulin levels are high, say you're eating a high carb diet, you know, like grain based, you know, ADA recommended diet, and you cut your salt back, you may still have very high blood pressure because of the insulin problem, not necessarily the salt problem. Whereas you're eating a little lower carb, you could eat some salt and it's not going to be problematic at all. So most people don't have sodium issues. I would say it's less an issue of sodium and more an issue of carbohydrate and also sleep,

circling back around. Like sleep is only one or two nights of missed sleep like poor sleep can make you as insulin resistant as a type 2 diabetic so i mean it's a no joke deal it deranges insulin function like immediately have you ever fucked around with an isolation tank you know i haven't i have not i've done i've done a bunch of uh meditation all kinds of psychedelics i've done all kinds of other, all kinds of psychedelics. I've done all kinds of other stuff along that line. I think you're into recovery so much. The tank would be the shit.

Yeah, I've never had the opportunity to mess with it. Oh, man, I've got to get you involved with it somehow or another and see what your results are. Because I know you're so conscious of your rest. And one of the most relaxing feelings ever is like doing like a couple hours in a tank. Right. The high saline deal and you just drift off. Yeah. There's 800 pounds of Epsom salts in there. Right. 93 and a half degree temperature. The same as your skin. You float into it. I mean, you feel nothing after the first 20 minutes. Right. Once you get over the fact that you're lying in water, you're flying through space. You're completely weightless and everything

sort of lengthens out. It feels, it's so so relaxing right so you you'll hear things go pop like you're like your muscles will like stretch out and unwind because it's literally a feeling of complete weightlessness you're floating in the water right it's amazing feeling somebody told me about it but i've just never had a chance that's incredible i i am still to this day amazed at how little coverage and how little exposure the isolation tank has. It, to me, is one of the most amazing tools for, first of all, just for thinking. Because it's like meditation is one thing.

I think we've covered visualization and meditation. Super important for anybody trying to achieve something. But there is no alone like that tank alone. That tank alone is you alone from your body. I mean, you disappear. It's your mind literally untether alone from your body I mean you it's your mind literally untethered from your physical form it's just thinking you don't see anything, you don't hear anything, you don't feel anything

you just can stay put and not move, you won't feel the fucking water you won't feel your body at all you feel like you're flying through the darkness and you're completely alone with your thoughts but it's not disassociative because you don't lose your self exactly, it's not disassociative because you don't lose yourself. Exactly.

It's yourself as introspective as you ever get. You can't escape your insecurities. You can't escape your troubles. You can't escape the things that you're not liking about what you do, your laziness, your lack of discipline. You can't escape any of it. It's you untethered from any distractions, any physical distractions, any spatial, you know, you can't escape any of it. It's you untethered from any distractions, any physical distractions, any spatial, recognizing colors, hearing sounds, all that's gone. There's

dark blackness, no sound, no nothing. It's an amazing environment. And it's great for relaxation, man. When I come out of there, I feel recharged. I can do two hours in the tank and I feel like I just got up from an awesome, like eight hour resting sleep interesting yeah do people come unstitched sometimes like they get a little little weirded out people get weirded out and quit they just get out of the tank they can't handle the the aloneness the solitude the silence they can't handle the the what happens to the mind because in the absence of any sort of sensory input the mind can develop a psychedelic state right and so you start hallucinating and having you know some really really crazy and uh because in the absence of any sort of sensory input, the mind can develop a psychedelic state. Right. And so you start hallucinating and having some really, really crazy

and almost like lucid dream type situations. Some people don't like that. Some people love it. Some people, that's what they're looking forward to. But just the introspective nature of it and the relaxation that you can achieve inside of it. I would be really curious to see how you would be affected by that. I can't believe you haven't tried it. I would love to try it.

You're going to fucking love it. How long are you in town for? Sunday. Until Sunday? Yeah. If I set you up at the float lab in Venice, can you make a trip down there? Could you do that? Tomorrow I potentially could.

Okay. I'll call Crash personally and set it up. He makes the best tanks in the country okay in the world really his tanks are they're they're incredible they look like meat lockers they're these giant things and they're really wide and deep and he uses like the best possible uh cleaning equipment it's all all the waters pass through ozone it's like no no worries ever of anything like being in the water, nothing negative. And he always has the temperature perfect.

And he's a master at this shit. This guy is the best in the world. And he's in Venice. And he'll totally hook it up. It's the Float Lab. And if anybody's interested, go to FloatLab.com. You can see the photos of it. They look like crazy fucking time portals, these things.

And they really are. I mean, what it really is, it's like if you could take a pill that would put you in that state where you're you're in this crazy darkness flying through space relieved from all the input from your body that would be a crazy fucking drug right you know you're achieving a very strange state without a crazy drug i really want you to do it man we're gonna hook it up oh i'm there that'd be. That would be awesome. We'll set it up. We'll set it up for sure. If people want to follow you, the book is called The Paleo Solution.

It is available, I'm sure, on Amazon. Pretty much everywhere. Pretty much everywhere, except audible.com. Soon. You sons of bitches, Audible. Sons of bitch. Doug. Are you working on a deal?

Is that what it is? Yeah, we're just getting ready to basically bring a mobile recording deal to my house, and then I'll sit down and bang the thing out, and then we'll be good. So, yeah. If you go to Doug.com, Brian makes money. Yeah, nice. There we go.

He's got one of those weird deals with Amazon. So go there. Support. So the Paleo Solution Diet, if anybody else, if they want to get any more information about this, what's the best way to go about it? RobWolf.com. RobWolf.com. And I have everything that anybody would ever need to do this for free on the website so like whether

you want to lose weight if you've got an autoimmune disease if you're a high level athlete you don't have to buy the book go to the website everything's laid out there for free do it and then typically when people do it they get great results and then they end up buying the book so yeah and then i've got a podcast, Paleo Solution. That's once a week. Paleo Solution. It's available on iTunes. iTunes.

Yeah. And we're typically between number one and number four in the health category. Like we'll duke it out with Jillian Michaels and stuff. So we're doing pretty good on there. That fucking bitch. Yeah. I heard something crazy. Like someone stole Jillian Michaels' car and crashed into a tree.

Did you hear that? Really? They broke into her house, stole her Bentley. She would probably kick their ass if she got a hold of them. I think so. She's hot sex. You like that? Yeah.

I think she's gay, dude. Yeah. I can be gay. Yeah, I don't think. Yeah. I think she's gay for real, though. She's so hot, it's hard to believe. She just needs some good dick.

She just needs you, Brian. To be convinced. Joe, did you see? Some persuading. I've met a lot of guys. I don't understand. I mean, I don't understand how any girl doesn't go gay. I think they should all go gay.

Most guys are fucking losers. But I think a lot of these poor girls are not really gay. They just need some good dick. Yeah. Joe, did you see the pictures I put on Twitter? I don't mean this, folks, okay? If you're some crazy fucking, like, really super leftist person, you want to label me sexist, I'm just talking shit, okay? That's what this show is.

Just having fun. Just talking shit. I don't really. I'm just talking shit, okay? Just having fun. Just talking shit. I don't really think you can fuck someone straight, okay? You feel better now? Take all the joy out of comedy? Don't you love the exculpatory clause you need on everything? You have to do that, man. Okay, this is a plastic bag.

Don't put it over your head. Well, I keep talking on my – I'm sorry, Brian. We'll get right back to you. But I keep talking about teen people. You know, they say all sharks can suck my dick. We should kill them all. We should kill anything that kills you. I don't really mean that, you fucking dummies.

I don't really think you should go out and kill all the sharks. But that is the reason why I don't surf. It's because I don't want to get eaten by a fucking shark. I know they're out there. But I don't really think you should kill them all, you fucking idiots. I'm going, teen people, fuck the sharks. They can suck my dick. You really think a shark can suck my dick?

You really think that's what I'm saying? Some people lack the irony gene. They don't have a signal for irony. and teen people, fuck the sharks, they can suck my dick. You really think a shark can suck my dick? You really think that's what I'm saying? Some people lack the irony gene. They don't have a signal for irony. Well, not only that, some people have diarrhea of the mouth and they can't help just saying any stupid thing that comes to their mind. And so they put it on Twitter. Pretty much BS. Yeah, we just did a three-hour podcast.

I'm talking about mouth diarrhea. I told people that I got a sex change on Twitter the other day and i posted a photo of my sister because she could look kind of like me and people really thought i i was like dressed in drag or something like that that is awesome there's a lot of fucking morons out there man do you think that that is an environmental thing i mean it's definitely your area of expertise. We've created an environment in which a complete moron can not only survive but thrive. And they don't

have to be able to get along with other people, be productive in their own life. There's some safety net that will allow them to reproduce. I mean, idiocracy. Like, the first ten minutes of idiocracy is it. How do we fix this? You know, at some point, the sun's going to expand out to the orbit of Mars and it's not going to matter.

Is that really what it is? We just let this fucking thing fall apart? We just fucking write it out. I mean, I don't know, man. It seems like we're here, though. Okay. If you're 40, I'm 44. We're here for a certain amount of years.

We only have a certain amount of time. There's got to be a way to make this a more pleasurable and sustainable experience for all the people involved in it and all the future generations before the sun burns out. Yeah. There's got to be a way to make it more comfortable. I just lean towards this whole market-based libertarian kind of self determination and freedom. And you know,

like we have all this fucked up stuff where we have people that want to marry each other and we won't let them marry each other. And we, we don't Chick-fil-A exactly. Yeah. People are boycotting Chick-fil-A in Boston. They were going off another, another part of the country saying they don't want Chick-fil-A.

It's hilarious. So we get people all spun up over stuff like that. We dump a bunch of money into a prohibition tactic on the drug scene that we know just doesn't fucking work. All it does is eat up resources. It creates a black market. Well, it also creates jobs, though. The real problem with keeping drugs illegal is that there's a whole bunch of people that make their living busting people who are on drugs. There's a reason why, by the way, these fucking DEA agents keep raiding medical marijuana dispensaries.

You don't hear a goddamn peep about them busting heroin dealers or busting Oxycontin factories or busting illegal shit like meth labs. They're not doing that. You don't hear that. It's very rare because that's dangerous as shit. And they know they can go into these pot factories or these pot dispensaries. They're like a cow. They're easy to get. You don't hear that. It's very rare because that's dangerous as shit, you know, and they know they can go into these pot factories or these pot dispensers. They're like a cow. They're easy to get. It's an easy collar. It's an easy collar. And it's, it's disgusting because there's a business involved in giving these people jobs. These people that are DEA agents, they have to fucking do work. Okay. So they're taking the easiest road

possible to do that work. They're going after some shit that's illegal that doesn't hurt anybody. I mean, it's one of the worst abuses of the law that we have clinically, or rather, classically on record. Like, this is like one of the worst, most obvious abuses of the law. How are you serving or protecting by closing a dispensary?

You're not. You know you're not. And yet you know that there's like real problems out there. You know there's meth labs. How do these people run meth? You go to fucking, drive to Riverside. Drive around. Drive around to these areas that have meth issues where meth is in their community. Where's that meth coming from?

It's coming from somewhere you fuck. You need to go find that meth you assholes. If you want to find something that's bad, find something that actually does damage. They're taking the cheap and easy way out like shitty government employees. That's the real problem with drugs being illegal is that it gives idiots a job in keeping things illegal. And, you know, we're expanding the idiots. You know, we have this kind of wacky health care thing that, you know, they want. And if it's not the foot soldiers, it's whoever the fuck tells them they have to go and bust it.

Maybe the soldiers, the actual officers are the ones who are trying to make a difference. I mean, who knows who's the dummy that's telling them they need to close down the medical marijuana dispensaries. But that is the only way you can keep all those people employed. They have to be busting somebody. Right. You know, if you have a million DEA agents or whatever the fuck it is, and you all of a sudden make marijuana legal, what the fuck do they do? You know, what do the prisons do when they have

all these people that are in jail for something retroactively should be released i mean just because it's a they violated a ridiculous law 10 years ago they shouldn't be still locked in a fucking cage if we've determined that law doesn't make any sense so then what happens we let everybody out of the prisons the prisons don't make money anymore that the privatized prison stocks go down the what are the you're going to fire some of the jail guys? Well, then they're going to go crazy with their union. Industries come and go all the time. That's probably one that could stand going.

Fuck it could, but it doesn't seem like that's happening in our life. We need to figure out a way to force feed that like a fogwad duck and just listen, cocksuckers, this is the future. It's not right to lock people up for marijuana. You know, it's, it's interesting that there was a Ron Paul rally in, in Nevada that it went to in Reno and it was huge. And, uh, uh, it was all young people and it was like black people and white people and Asian people. And I mean, Nevada doesn't have that much racial diversity. And so the fact that there, there was, you you know this mix there and that they were young if they were impassioned about this kind of libertarian idea it was pretty

interesting and in this paleo scene it's a really interesting overlap with it like almost everybody in this paleo scene is like kind of libertarian politics like they want gay marriage they want free drugs they why is that i think it's because they're fucking smart you know it's like they've kind of they've rattled all the stuff around you know like the the the vegetarians and i know people are going to hate me but you know there's a sense about well we're going to nice our way into a stable world but the reality is that the way that nature works is that you have carnivores and omnivores you know herbivores and like there's a biodynamic kind of system there and i think that people in the paleo scene more embrace that and they embrace decentralized farming and

permaculture and things like that. But there's a really powerful kind of libertarian element to this paleo scene. And it's, it's growing like crazy, like every 12 months on Google, it's doubling. And as it stands right now, like it is just growing exponentially and so you you've got kind of a food oriented kind of exercise oriented scene which is a little culty but you know it's also got this interesting kind of market-based um libertarian kind of politics that seem to be woven through the when you say culty though i think it speaks to people's ideas it's like you know you know when when it comes along when something comes along that speaks to what people had sort of surmised on their own or

at least they didn't have a label for it didn't have a direction to put all the facts in and you know it's especially when it comes to libertarian ideology and just leaving people alone let them do what the fuck they want to do right for so many people that's just a big yes like finally like what the fuck is going on is it just this weird ass fucking society where dumb people are allowed to thrive and that promotes these ridiculous solutions like a 10,000 year old earth and you know supporting ridiculous old texts that were written back when people thought the world was flat and the sun was 17 miles away. I mean, it almost is like that's suppressing the growth. The U.S. is wacky in that we have a remarkably unsophisticated scientific understanding of the way the world works. Yet, we make all the coolest science shit.

It's really weird. It's really weird. Except for like CERN, right? Right, right. It's like 10,000 scientists really weird. You know, as a populist. Except for like CERN, right? Right, right. It's like 10,000 scientists. Which is super cool. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, it's a weird gig.

And, you know, I think a lot of, you know, like the problematic things that pop up, like when you see people who are homeless, when you see families with kids who don't have a job and they don't have a home, then you want to do something to help them. And I think having support networks and safety nets are smart, but when you create them in such a way that you're incentivized to stay in versus get out, then you create an indentured class and essentially a slave class because they can't get, there's no, if you don't incentivize people to have self-direction, then it's easier for them to stay there. But the easiest way to destroy a person's soul is to provide them their means and not cause them to suffer and to find their own way through life. Yeah, they will have no personal development, no character, which is the welfare state. Right.

And I think that there's lots of good intentions that, you know, the path to hell is paved on good intentions. So there's a lot of desire to help people. And doing these more market-based approaches, like having social support networks being driven more at the local level instead of the federal level and stuff like that. So there's been this thing floating around like the Cato Institute for ages,

where instead of paying like 50% of my taxes to the federal government like I'm doing now, if I pay to a local 5013C, a local nonprofit, then it's dollar for dollar reduces my tax burden at the federal level. And then how, you know, a local nonprofit is going to be transparent. It's going to be efficient. If they shit the bed on something, you can shut them down and pull your money and put it someplace else. And, you know, there's a lot of other ways besides just expanding government to get things done and to take care of people. And people look at this kind of libertarian idea as being cruel and Machiavellian, you know, that some people are going to be winners and losers. That will always be the case.

But if we create a vibrant society with freedom and we respect each other's rights, and even if we don't agree, we don't fucking kill each other over the differences and stuff like that, you've got a really amazing thing that could happen from that. And I'm optimistic, even while we've got drones flying overhead, even while we've got another move by our supposedly you know hope and change oriented president that wants uh you know that is oriented towards more internet suppression and more internet monitoring like it is really scary shit and um it's just wacky to me whether you're on the more liberal side or on the more right-wing

conservative side the stuff that that people rally behind but not see the cracks in the methodology, it's crazy to me. I don't understand it. Well, I think people just don't look into it that deeply, and they're usually really fucking busy. So what they do is subscribe to an ideology that makes them feel good, whether it's a Christian, God-loving, I'm a Second Amendment believer. How many of them have ever even looked into it? They just, give me my gun. That's my gun. I mean, are you really looking at it realistically?

I support the Second Amendment, but I mean, how many people really should have guns? How many people are fucking morons? How many people shouldn't have cars? I mean, it's like we've made it so easy for someone to have the ability to use something as crazy as a car. And I was joking around about, I love American cars. I love American muscle cars. I love that. I mean, it's ridiculous, but I love that Shelby, they're making a new Shelby GT500 with 660 horsepower.

Right. That's insane. The idea that someone would need 660 fucking horsepower in a street car. But I love the fact that you can get it. Right. 160 fucking horsepower in a street car. But I love the fact that you can get it. I love the fact that you can be a fucking idiot with 10 speeding tickets, 15 fucking crashes. As long as you're insured and you have whatever it costs, 80 grand or whatever the fuck it is, you can go to a Ford dealership and get by yourself a goddamn 2013 Shelby GT500 and just drive like a maniac until they pull you over and arrest you.

I mean, it's something designed to break the law. It's bright red with white stripes on it. It sounds like war. And it's got 660 fucking horsepower. I love that you can just do that. But really, you shouldn't be able to. Really, it is kind of fucking crazy that we allow some asshole who could be texting to have 660 horsepower.

We trust them. We trust texting to have 660 horsepower. We trust them. We trust them to have their shit together. We have to figure out a way to make it so that you have to overcome something to achieve success. In order to feed yourself, you've got to do some work. In order to improve your environment and your surroundings, you have to put forth some effort. And when we make it so that people just get checks for nothing, that is like the complete opposite of the natural behavioral response, natural reward system that's set up for human beings.

It makes us fat cunts. Yeah. I mean, it steals our soul. Yeah. And so you're really not helping people in that situation. But how do you fix that though? Once it's in place, do you force grandma to work bitch get up you're gonna starve to death well you know like there's a lot of things like like instead of uh

you know your retirement going into a government pool maybe you manage your own health savings account in 401k and some people may shit the bed and then you may you may you may be reliant on the the uh you know churches 501 3c stuff like that you know, churches, 501c3, stuff like that. You know, I mean, not everybody, it's impossible to ensure that everybody is going to be 100% taken care of. I think that that's a gut check for people. Yeah. They don't understand it.

You know, like my parents are unfortunately a good example. Like my father was very smart, but he chose not to do the things that he should have done and he he could have had a engineering degree he could have done drafting and stuff like that instead he just kind of fucked off and he really didn't have much in in his later life and it's because you know inner child stuff you know whatever his father was a horrible person like i get that like i had a way better childhood than my dad did he he had it way more difficult than i did but he had choices that he could have made that would have provided for his family, would have provided for himself, and he chose not to do it.

And he had a really rough, you know, end of his life. The last 15 years of his life sucked. But he steered the boat that way, you know, and I just don't want to do that. And I think that that's a gut check for people that… They want a safety net. They want a safety net, but you can't save everybody. And they think that's's a gut check for people that they want a safety net. They want a safety net. They want to be able to save everybody. And they, they think that's what the government is for.

Yeah. The government is for a big pillow to make sure that you're going to be okay. But when you tell people they're going to be okay, they don't work as hard as when they don't know if they're going to be okay. Right. And that's what they need to do. Yeah. Yeah.

They need a little fear to motivate them. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think we need that with everything. You know, I think everything in life is uncertain and you have to always embrace the idea that you're a temporary being.

It's going to, the lights are shutting off no matter when the fucking sun overcomes the earth. Right. With its expansion. The lights are shutting off for you way sooner than that, bitch. Right. Get it together, you motherfuckers. Rob Wolf, you're a bad motherfucker, dude.

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