The Joe Rogan Experience - #2459 - Jim Breuer

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

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Joe Rogan podcast, checking out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Dun, dang, dang, tan, tan, tan, da-da-da-da-da. Good to see you, my friend. Yeah, you too. Young Jamie. So I stopped you.

We were getting coffee. I said, stop, hold this. So what were you saying? Which one first? The prostate one. Okay, so prostate one. Let's go straight to the dick. All right.

That is not really the dick. It's like it's behind the dick. So this would be... I'm an anatomist. It is behind the dick. Is that a word? Anatomist. Autopsy?

So bladder contains approximately 5 milliliters of cloudy yellow urine. The prostate is slightly and diffusely enlarged with marked enlargement of the Verumontanum. That's how I would have said it. The testes are unremarkable. That's the last thing I wanted anybody say about my nuts. I want them to say, wow, what a great pair. Great body, but the nuts are unremarkable. Unremarkable.

Unremarkable. So here is some sort of discussion between him and someone. Okay. The guy says zigzagging, not clear it affects hormones might have on that aren't replaced by testosterone. The advantage of taking testosterone, there are two different things. You can have high testosterone and still have a need for Viagra because you don't have a cross-date, right? And then Epstein says, correct.

And then at the bottom, they show another document. Hold on. Let me keep going there. So that's an extreme example. I was actually going to try and move up one level sort of drug-enhancing life. If you don't mind it, he doesn't mind it. I'm sort of outer space thinking. So he's trying to juice up.

So he's saying I'm moving up one level of sort of drug-enhancing life. I think he means he's going to start juice. That's what it sounds like. So he doesn't have a prostate? It doesn't have a prostate, it says. There's another document that says something about it. After a radical prostatectomy. Prostatectomy.

So when they take out your prostate? But that doesn't necessarily say he had his. I think it's a document. But he said he doesn't have a prostate. And it says patient Jeffrey Epstein. It says, according to the American Urological Association's serum PSA, should decrease and remain at undetectable levels after radical prostateomy. And there's other documents where he's contacting doctors that specialize in that very thing.

Okay, so the doctor saying he had a radical prostate. He's saying he does not have a prostate, but yet the body from the autopsy talks about the prostate is slightly and diffusedly in the same. large. So that's not his body. That's what it seems like. I don't buy, I don't buy that. I don't buy it's dead. Why was you? Right. I don't buy he's dead either. Here's the other. But however, hold on. This is from a attorney. So this is like assistant United States attorney or something. So the O-C-M-E told me it signed a confidentiality agreement in connection with the investigation into the murder of Jeffrey Epstein.

So that's almost six months after he died, they're asking for a document about the investigation of the murder of Jeffrey Epstein. Was that because there was accusations that it was a murder? I don't, you know. So we talked about this before that 18 days before he allegedly committed suicide, he complained that his cellmate tried to kill him. And you know who his cellmate is? Who? Oh, you don't know? No.

His cell. I'm not Kurt Madscare. You don't know? He don't know. His cellmate was this gigantic cop who was a murderer. He'd killed four different drug dealers. Yeah, he was a contract killer. This is the guy.

That's his fucking cellmate. Look at that gorilla. That's a silverback. Yeah, dirty cop, murderer. And then they said, hmm, most high profile witness of all time, defendant of all time. Let's put him in jail with a murderer. a guy who contract kills dirty cop

and then he says well the report was they found him unresponsive with a noose around his neck or an orange jumpsuit turned into a rope around his neck and then he said that is sell me to try to kill him my question

and does anyone really believe he was in a jail cell because I know if I had the guy that can enravel in time government dynasties and take down an entire system.

The last thing, dude, he's somewhere about three miles underground with maybe a ball in his mouth with electric rods. Or he's in Israel sipping mitis. Correct. Either place, it's like, that video you said, you sent this on a runaround. We're going to ask you one more time. or then we're going to laser off your nipples. I'm telling you right now we need to... Yeah, I doubt they're doing that to him.

So it's, yeah, he's either into Israel, like you said. If they had that, they would just get rid of his body. You saw the picture of the so-called that was him in Israel? I think that's AI. I think it's AI, too. That's a scary thing with AI. I think it even had a little AI watermark on it, the one I saw at least. But who knows?

It could be a real picture that someone put through AI to put a watermark on it so that people go, oh, it's AI. Right. You don't know. Do you see the lady that they say looked exactly like Galane Maxwell? Yes. I don't think she looked exactly like Galane Maxwell. I think she looked exactly like Galane Maxwell 20 years ago. It's a deep fake? It's a deep fake?

Yeah. Oh, okay. Sim, AAA reposted the guy that made it. He made another video too that was not as good where he's like looking at Benjamin Net and Yahoo on the street. It's not as nearly as good. The problem is the aging. She doesn't look age. She looks younger.

But I guess that's what happens when you get out of jail. And you get more attractive. Yeah, you get. He gets sunlight, makeup, a little exercise. Taking some yoga. Yeah, is there any video of him in jail? Are there any photos of him in jail? I've never thought about that before, but what you're saying is a good point.

Joe, if you hell, let's say you were the person that had all this incredible information around the world, bribery. Do you really think, you take drug lord. You're not killing them. You need the information. So you're going to bring him somewhere. You're going to milk him to it, however that is, whether he's tied up, whether he's, you're going to torment him. You're like, listen to me, I'm telling you right now, we're going to take care of you. However, I need to know, you say there's tapes, right?

Yeah, where are the tapes, write them down. And you're going to stay, don't feed him, don't feed him until we get that one tape and we have these names in our hands. And that's probably been going on even for months, for years. You're not taking someone like that. and going, oh, we're just going to put this very viable human being into a jail cell where... With a multiple murderer. Was a contract killer. With two guys making $18 an hour are going to watch him.

We're sleeping. Like, come on, stop. When the cameras are down. Stop. They pre-production. All right, so let's get the green screen and we have him walking in here, sir. That's to look somewhat and we can release it down the road. It's processed Hollywood nonsense.

I don't buy it. Okay. This is assuming, though, that he was working on his own. that he had all this information. So if he's not working on his own, he's working for intelligence agency, then they have that information as well. So along the way, so there are no secrets that he's holding. They have all the secrets.

This is much more likely. So in order for him to be in the position that he was in allegedly, working for intelligence agencies, working for either the Mossad, the CIA, or both all the above, I would assume that along the way, all of the information was shared. I do not believe they would let one person have access to all that information and store it themselves. I think they would have access to it at every step of the way. They would communicate with him at every step of the way. And they would probably have, like if I was running a government agency like that, I would say, tell me what's going on?

What do you have on Bill Gates? What do you have on Les Wexner? What do you have on these guys? Yeah. What are they willing to do? What about these scientists? Are they willing to fill bogus science? papers out and what can we do?

Jeffrey Epstein's stash secret files and storage unit across U.S. that may include never before seen evidence. Oh. This came out yesterday that when he got arrested, he supposedly paid for investigators to go round up all of his stuff and

put it in various storage units across the country. Like it's a wild goose chase now. And like that's stuff maybe no one's ever seen. They don't know if they're still being paid for. They don't know if anybody's... Imagine if they found I mean, you know those storage unit shows?

Exactly. When they break into those storage unit shows? I don't understand. And it happened on the real time one? Right. Like, they think they're just getting like old baseball cards. I heard those shows are bullshit. A friend of mine told me that what they do is they'll stock those shows.

They'll stock those storage units. And then they pretend that they're buying the storage unit that's been abandoned. And then they get in there and then they find things. But those things were just. Yeah. Fuck you. I don't buy any reality TV. I know, but that's awful.

Well, it's entertainment. I feel. duped. Do you really? I do. Joe, you really thought one time that bothers me. Not the government corruption, not all the Medicaid fraud, not all the immigration fraud, not all the ICE stuff. No, what really bugs me is lying on a storage unit show. I just can't. Or like a cash cab show. Like, are they really contestants? These are great distractions. These are the great distractions to keep us from paying attention to what's really going on in the world. The reality TV, there's no There's no reality.

It's all well-produced show. How much is it well-produced? Here's the question. Is it really well-produced? Because it seems like this one was a really shitty production job. That was a production. That was a bad. That was like low, low.

The only guy making it is the guy that's selling the ads. Well, not just the guy who's in charge of it fucks kids. Right? Oh, this one. Yeah. So this one. Why would you let that guy who's going to eventually get caught? I would assume if you have a thing for kids.

You have a thing for if you're a pedophile, if you're into like 14-year-old girls, I would assume you're going to get caught. And if I had a guy like that or was this at a time where you couldn't get caught because there was no internet and then it got to a point where he had so much power and control because he'd been there for so long, they couldn't. They're like, oh, Jesus Christ, we got a problem. Well, he's thinking of it. Criminals, they never think they're getting. getting caught, period. Especially, like, think organized crime. If you're, it's no different like the scenes from Goodfellas, right?

You come here, he's like, what's the mind with you? I told you, you can show up with a pink Cadillac? What's the matter with you? What's the matter with you? They can't help it. He told everyone, don't spend the money. Don't look flashy. This guy, without a doubt.

His wife had a main coat on, remember that? What that shit? Right. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. He gave it to me on my birth. They get up.

What's the matter with you? And now that guy, there's no, this guy, he's just the, remember when the steroids came out in baseball? Uh-huh. And what they do, they were like, listen, you got to take a hit. You got to take a hit. Mark, Barry Bonds, you guys, you're going to go out, we're going to front you, but don't worry, you're going to stay in baseball, we'll let it, it'll go away in about

10 years. But the owners are not going to get popped. The people making the, the steroids injected, the people aren't going to get popped. Well, they got popped. Balco got popped. It doesn't even... No, they got popped. The little guys get popped.

The little ones. No, no, no. The head of Balco went to jail. I had him on the podcast after he got out of jail. What about the owners that knew it was going? What about the agents and lawyers that are supplying their stuff? No, no, no. Listen, you don't understand about the baseball thing.

The Balco had developed a... Victor Conte, who had been on the podcast before. Yeah. It was a scientist, essentially. And he had developed a steroid that was undetectable. Because steroids, they detect them based on certain... Certain molecules. And if you can adjust certain molecules, it doesn't show up in the test.

So he developed this thing called the clear. You called the clear because it evaded tests. Right. This is to evade the test that the Major League Baseball Association was doing and any drug tests. Because this was an unknown steroid. So this was not known by the organizations. It was not known by the team. It was not known by anybody.

People suspected it because Barry Bonds grew five hat sizes and gained 50 fucking pounds of solid muscle. People suspected it. Right. But the bottom line is you don't know what you don't know, and they didn't know. There's no reason to tell them, hey guys, we're giving Barry some secret steroids. He did this for his own personal gain because he was brought to the attention to this Victor Conte guy, who eventually became an anti-doping guy, which is really weird. He ran snack, which is this thing that like helps people detect testing and use it, you know, use supplements that illegal. Sure. But that, I don't think that was known by everybody. I think they kept it all on the DL because there was such a blight that was attached to steroid use. You were a cheater,

especially in baseball, which is like the American pastime, be a cheater in baseball. Well, I'll tell you this. I remember at that time, because I was in the, you were in TV World, TV World, and you attract all different types. We did a show, well, you weren't on the show back then. On hardball. The baseball, yeah. Barry Bonds was on hardball. Yeah. He was on one of the episodes. Like third, yes. I remember seeing it because we'd sit and watch

my wife and I'm like, yeah, I was Joe, because we tried it out for the same thing and I rooted. Well, you were in the pilot. Yes, I was in the pilot, but I rooted for everyone I knew. Yeah. I was just like, oh my gosh. You've always been like that. I loved that. But back then, like a couple years later, he'd come

friends with certain type of people and lawyers, agents, blah, blah, and I remember one night hanging out, you know,

kind of like, wow, this is so-and-so who, I don't want to get into names and all that, but they would go, you want to hear

some crazy phone calls. Like, what you mean? It's like, boom. And they told me 75% and I'm like,

what? 75% of what? PEDs are on steroids. I'm like, what? 75, 80% baseball. Come on. There's no way.

Come on. And then he'd play a phone message. And I didn't want to say this for years because I thought I'd get whacked. Hey, I love you. So I remember them going, here, listen to this. And you would hear like the wives on my life going, if he hits me one more time, I'm reporting all you. I'm going to do it.

And then he played the. The next one, like, hey, man, we got a big series coming up with the Darges. I need my shit. Like, now. I need it by blah, blah. And who is this person calling? These were ballplayers calling their representation. So the representation mean they're agents and lawyers.

So maybe the agents are the people that hooked them up with the people that had the Jews, which makes sense. And then they would talk. Because the agents want money. They want money. So what's the best way to get money? Guys got to hit home runs. This guy hit home runs. He's got to start felt the ball.

He makes money. I make money. That makes sense. And then we all make money. And then I start telling if I'm not saying this happened, but if you're an owner, I'm like, hey, Joe, I'm just telling you right now this guy, you want to keep an eye on him. He's going to start jacking 20 extra home runs. Really? How's he going to do that?

You'll find out. We don't need to talk about that. But next year, if you got XYZ budget, I think he'd like to play. So there's a lot. There's a lot at play. Right. And now you're infiltrating children because now you're going instead of the farm leagues. You know you can't make it unless you start doing that.

But that's why I say someone like this guy with a long network, there's so many tentacles all over the place. But you always need the fall guy. Right. I mean, was he the demon? Yeah. But there's a lot of demons there. Did you see that one, the email that I sent you, Jamie, where he's talking about. children for sex.

Do you remember? You know the email I sent you, Jamie? I sent it the other day. Well, that pretty much sums it up then because he actually said it. Find that. I sent it to you in a text message. This one's crazy. This one's crazy.

I've heard so bad. So he's having a conversation with a woman who says that she heard that there's a place. Here it is. She's very emotional, kind, loving, sharp. I think you can become friends too. So here it says, a friend, Elisa, told me about a project she's doing. researching a really bad guy that gets children for sex sent to his island she almost fainted when I told her that person is me wow like yeah okay so that's

just there there's no way to interpret that any other way that person is me that person is me children for sex sent to his island that person is me holy shit That one is fucking crazy That's 2018 So yeah This has been going on for So this is like right before he got arrested, right? Supposedly

But when did he get arrested? 2019 2019 right What month? I don't know I felt like it was May So this was like But there was an investigative reporter

That was at the head of all this This lady that was really pushing Because she had found out about his sweetheart deal in 2008 and she started gathering information and pushing it. And that's what led ultimately, I think, to his being arrested. Or what I would say is the front of like, hey, we're doing things. Well, if there's a different body that the autopsy had, it makes you question, like, was he ever in that cell or was this person who's in that cell?

Did they sell this person as Jeffrey Epstein? Right. Well, you imagine the guy in the cell going, I am not. No, no, no, no. My name is Harvey. I live on the Upper East Side. I don't know what happened. I got a speeding ticket.

Now, next thing you know, I can't go home. Yes, and this poor guy's just getting railed hard before just sitting there and he's tying him up on the thing. And he's just, yeah, you're going to spin him around for a couple hours. This episode is brought to you by Visible. Folks, there's one thing nobody wants this season, and that's getting to. catfished. And it's not just dating profiles that are putting you at risk. It's also big wireless carriers. You know the type. Looks great at first. Promises a low price. But once you're locked in, surprise fees and an expensive bill that isn't what you were expecting. Your night and shining armor?

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in a jumpsuit, like in court, in jail, getting arrested. When you arrest big figures, he was a big figure. It's a big to do. Jeffrey, what you do? What about the children? Care to comment on the children? Why are you doing about the children, Jeffrey? Why did you need 330 gallons of sulfuric acid?

They didn't know about that back then. What are chickens? What are chickens? What is jerky? What is jerky? Well, no one knew any of that stuff back then. If he was alive now, for sure those questions would be shouted out. What is pizza and pasta?

What happened at Obama's White House? What is pizza? Pizza's mentioned like 900 times. It's a little weird. Clearly is a code. Clearly is a code. You know how crazy I felt for the longest time? Like, I'd just be in a coffee shop.

And I'm like, you guys don't know. You just don't know. Like, oh, yeah. Jim's a little wacky. But now it's coming out. Do you see that video? We played the other day of this guy at the airport. yelling out. Yes. You guys are going out about your business?

No, he's a guy. He's like, the files have been released. Yeah. I saw that and they were going and you're all just going about your business. The files are released. Kids are being tortured. But my question was like, what do you want me to do? What do you? I'm flying Atlanta. What do you want me to do? I got a gig. What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do? Scream and yell at everybody? Get arrested? How is I going to fix anything? This all happened 10 years ago. What do you want me to do? And what do you do at this point? Because like it's, uh, we don't do anything at the

airport. You know, you get in your fucking way. At the airport, right? Like, I got to get home. My wife's, my wife's mother. But that's like a lot of people online. They're very performative, screaming and yelling. We're going to do this. We got to, what do you want us to do? That's their jurisdiction. Yeah. It's outrage farming. Outrage farming. I like that. You're outreach farming. Imagine going to that length, though. You're just like, you know what? I really didn't like anything you said and you have no right being like who's taking the time you know have you ever done that no but it's people that are trying to farm for attention to trying to get extra attention or it's people that just aren't that good they're not that smart

have you when's the last time you engaged with anyone online that was like rogan you're this or It's been a long time. Long time, right? Yeah. Long time. But up until that time. I watch fucking Lewis J. Gomez do it every day. I'm like, Lewis, what are you doing?

What are you doing, you psycho? Stop fucking arguing with people online and calling them losers. Yeah. And comparing your life to theirs. It's like, don't do it. Because you don't know what you're dealing with. You have no clue what you're dealing with. Not only that.

It's like it's a bad frequency to get your brain caught up in. There's so many other things to think about. Correct. There's so much going on in the world. There's so many interesting things in life. And the problem with social media algorithms and any kind of algorithm that you get sucked into is it funnels you into this way. This is what the information that you're getting most of the time. You're getting a lot of bad information, a lot of outrage farming. And your frequencies, like the way your brain thinks funnels down that pathway and you kind of lose control of it. Instead of having access to all. all the wonderful things in the world. There's a lot of amazing, fascinating, curiosity-driven people out there that are, you know, making videos about all kinds of stuff.

And you could instead pay attention to that stuff. Well, that's... You get trapped. I used to say that even just about news. I remember being a kid. And if you look at every newspaper and you used to watch all the headlines for the news,

everything is... I would sit there and go, okay, something bad happened down here, in Brooklyn something, why do you spend every page or every headline of something negative? You had eight to 10 million people living in this vicinity. Why do you harp on just propaganding and looking at the dark? Because they're trying to make money. It's really simple.

It's really simple that all these major newspapers are struggling, all of them, badly. And the only way to get attention is clickbait now because most of the stories that you get are online. Very few people are buying physical newspapers anymore. They're dead. Yeah. Not only that, during COVID, I think they kind of nuke all their credibility. There's a lot of people that just feel like they're all bullshit artists now. It was an incredible exposing of all information during COVID.

What is this? They say this video, he sent this to two women. From detention? From detention. All right, let's see. It's weird. I had to borrow the scotch tape to get the pictures on the wall. Okay, so Darren, why do you have to see that thing over his face?

I don't know. I'm pretending I'm talking to Darren. You guys have no good time. You can see I have a little sore on my face that I got from some black guy trying to kiss me. It's really disgusting. It's really, oh. Anyway, I have pictures up on the wall. I had to borrow the scotch tape to get the pictures on the wall.

I'll talk to you guys later. two guys later. Okay, so that's him in detention. He said somebody tried to kiss him. He seems pretty calm, but he almost got raped. Dude, it's pre-production. All right, so listen. Come in the room and say that somebody tried to kiss you.

You got to be into it. Like, that's take number 12. Like, God damn it, Jeffery. God damn it. Do you need a Coke? You need a wine. I need you stressed out. You don't seem like a guy in jail.

The guy who hasn't been sleeping well. He seems pretty well-rested. Yeah, so, you know, my whole life is bad right now. I was just, you know, they're bringing me in. Some guy tried to kiss me. It's kind of a bummer. Cut! What?

That wasn't good? All right. All right. All right. Lighting good? Here we go. It's fuck out of here. The best intelligence organizations that can overthrow foreign governments

would probably have a plan if they wanted to get the guy out and pretend that somebody else died in his place. It's been from the beginning of time, no? Yeah. From the beginning of time. In the beginning of time, well, especially with like modern stuff because you can, with modern masks, like, remember the tall Biden? There's not a chance in hell that was Biden. I feel so redeemed.

My wife used to get so mad at me. So mad at me. My kids would get so mad at me. And I would say it everywhere. I'd say it on stage. I'd say in social media. I go, I don't care what you say. That is not Joe Biden.

You know, there was also that in the files, too. They were talking about masks. And now all of a sudden they're like, oh, no, he was executed. Isn't that what they said? Executed? Yeah, that seems sus. Bro, I went down that rabbit hole. There's a lot of those emails are just emails, right?

First of all, Epstein is dealing with prostitutes, people that are willing to get prostitutes. He's dealing with a lot of criminals and weirdos, and a lot of those people are probably full of shit. Right? So just because somebody writes something in an email doesn't mean it's a fact. However, when you see the video of Tall Biden, pull out Tall Biden. Come on, man. He grew. He grew and then he went back.

They might have put him on some shit and then he shrunk back down again. And his eye color would change. This one, right? Yes, that one. Like, look at the difference. He's like six and nine. Look at it. That's a robot.

Send out the robot. You got a video of him walking out there because when he walk, look how long his fucking legs are. Look how tall he is. is. This is absolutely insane. Who's watching this going? Yeah, now that's the same guy. Not only is he taller, but he moves better. He's more relaxed

when he moves. It was, Joe. It's like a guy doing an impression of Joe Biden. Yes, look at his... But look how long this guy's legs are. This is what's crazy. But rewind that as, again, please. Here it is. It's good. It's starting from the

beginning. But it's good. It's right It's good. Just play it. Yeah. It's starting from the... So here's when he walks out. Look at how long his leg. This guy's a basketball player. He can dunk. Look how tall he is. First president can dunk. I mean, just stop. Pause it right there, please? Yeah, right there.

Pause it. Pause it. Just the physical frame. Yep. When you look at the length of his legs, that's extraordinary. That's not like Jeffrey Epstein's prostate. No. These are whole different... That is a tall man. Like, there's no way that's a short man. There's no way that's a normal. Like, what was, how tall was Joe Biden supposedly?

Six feet, six one maybe? How tall was he supposed to be? The real Joe Biden. Tall was Joe Biden. The pre-2019. I said, was like he's dead. I'm saying he's dead. I'm saying he's long gone wherever he is.

Six feet, okay. I'm putting it out there. Six feet tall. Okay, six feet is like, you know, on the tall-ish side, that guy's taller than six feet. That is a tall man. Look at the proportions from his legs to the width of his shoulders, the length of his legs. That's a very tall man.

Who's the casting director for this? I mean, just being charitable, that's a three inches taller man at least. Maybe the other Joe Biden, you know, got sick that day or his wife died, that actor died, and they're like, we need another Joe Biden quick. And then this one showed up like, oh, my God. Just forget it. People believe everything. If you have a guy who's the president and he's known to be of poor health, there's probably

going to be times where he's supposed to make a public appearance that's not that important, but it's important to just show his face. Well, you got to like keep him in a hospital bed somewhere. So you get a guy and you put the mask on him. Did you ever see the walk? The walk? Yeah, his shuffle. That guy doesn't walk like that.

It's a robot. That guy walks like an athlete. It's a robot. Wait a minute. You think it's a robot? I'm taking... I don't know what it is. No, it's an old man who can't walk good.

I'm putting my chips in. Do you think you can program a robot to walk like an old man? Have you... It didn't look like an robot. Get the video. Jim, the robots are not that good yet. Trust me. I'm friends with Elon.

The robots, they're good, but they're not that they look like robots. They don't look like humans yet. You put a little suit and jacking on them, put them up, and you... He just videotaped for three seconds. No, why would you do that? Three seconds. It's a guy. All right, no, I agree.

This one's a guy. But there's other ones from like, what is this one, Jamie? Same one? That's the same one. That's a better version of it. I was just replaying it. Okay. No, that's not a robot.

That's a guy. There's ones where he's walking on the lawn and his legs. Like, what does he do with his legs? It's crazy looking. Jim, like neurologists have looked at this. He walks like a guy with dementia. That's how they walk. My dad had dementia.

He didn't walk anything like that guy. Not all people. people with dementia walk like that, but it's typical of the way people walk when they don't have control of their body anymore. Like, he fell down a lot. Like, it's very odd. The bicycle went down. I got it. It's a lot of things.

He fall down walking upstairs. Remember? Yeah, I remember. Three times. I remember. You think it's a robot? I didn't say it's a hundred-seven robot. I'm saying I will put my chips in.

I'm at the poker table and they're like, you're really going in, all in that that was not Joe Biden. I'm going all in That's not Joe Biden I'm going to show you Never was Okay From 2020 on it Never was

I think this is a productive line of conversation But this is me I get it I hear watch this show Yeah watch this what Yeah But that's He's walking in sand

And he's old as fuck dude He's walking in sand I get it If I walk in sand And I'm drunk I look just like that He's on a lot of blood thinners There

Maybe they get to his head I don't know. He's got a stint. I just, Jamie, I'm going to send you something. This is state of the art right now when it comes to robots. And it's pretty fucking good, man.

Pretty fucking good. But it's not that. These are robots that can actually do martial arts. It's very impressive. I feel like I just saw something like this. It was frightening to a degree. Yeah, it's from China. So go full screen on this.

This is really interesting. So you got these kids, they get out there, and these robots, bots do martial arts with them. Like, look at this. It's really wild, man. I mean, it's pretty human. Now, if they had suit and ties on, they can pass for a president.

Not yet. Not yet. But look at these things. They can do backflips. Like, this is crazy. They do wheel kicks. Come on. It's really nuts, man.

So just imagine these things with fucking ARs, just running into buildings, gunning people down. Because that's what's coming. Bro, there's a place. They're going to be bulletproof. They're going to have night vision, heat vision, insane hearing. There's a place in Florida, bro, that have the out in the Everglaze. It's like this farmland.

You never see anyone there. But they have the mechanical robot dogs. Patrolling everywhere and spraying the fields. The dogs spray the field? There's like all different types of machines that come up and that will like spray the field. And they have these dogs that patrol everywhere. It's wild. You can buy one.

I never saw any of that. You can buy them now? Yeah, you can buy those robots. Yeah. Les was telling me about it. I think I want one. Lex Friedman, he actually works with robotics. Like, he was an artificial intelligence engineer before he ever started doing podcasts.

You're like the movie, the fifth element, when the chick came and she got all the information. Like who's, I'm always fascinated. You have so much information, like brilliant insight information. Who's left on your list where you're like, I got a, I want to look at, I need to speak with so and so. Oh, there's a ton of people. There's always new, you know, like I get a list of every week, multiple days a week. I get a list of potential guests. And so I go over the list.

and a lot of it are scientists. A lot of it is like people that are doing groundbreaking research on like neurodevelopment, genetics. There's a lot of them that come up that are cosmologists that are working on, you know, just bizarre theories. There's always someone that's working on some, you know, like very high level of some, you know, like very high level of some SOD. There's a rhetorical line of, you know, some kind of discipline that I've got very little information about. There's always interesting people. Shhh. That blows my mind.

Yeah. It blows my mind. I try talking to, anyone, even some of the words, I'm not educated very well. I'm they start saying certain words, and I'm just, I'm already. I'm not formally educated very well. I mean, I only went to college for three years, and I was barely paying attention. I never paid attention. I was only going to college so that people didn't think I was a loser.

Really? Yeah, I was doing it while. fighting and then I was doing it for a little bit while still doing stand-up but I was only doing it so that no one thought I was a loser really yeah is that more though is that like a home thing like no it was where I grew up you know a lot everybody was going to college I went to school at a really good high school Newton's house in Massachusetts and a lot of the kids were you know real ambitious and wanted to go to college and get degrees and I was I did not want to have a job I was like what am I doing I was like very feral and at the

the time all I wanted to do was compete. I was just doing martial arts tournaments all the time and there was no money in that. So I was like what am I what's my career going to be? Like what am I doing? So this is weird period. So I said let me just go to college so that no one thinks I'm a loser. So I took a year off school. So from graduated at 17. So for the next year I didn't I didn't go to school at all. I just trained. I don't know the story. So when did you when did you go? I'm going to start doing stand up. When I was 21. Wow.

And did you have that desire before then? Not really. No, I was a fan of stand-up. I love stand-up. I was talked into doing it by my friend Steve. It's a good buddy mine, Steve Graham. Because I would make people laugh in the locker room. It was like he was a guy I did taekwondo with.

And he was like, too. And another good friend, Ed Schroeder. Same thing. Ed and Steve were two guys who I was real tight with that, you know, I would make fun of everybody. And we were always just joking around. Right. And I wanted a lot of attention

I was young You know We all did Yeah I did And so that was That's how And then I went to an open mic night And I realized

Oh these people are all They suck They're beginners Like oh you could be a beginner And then I thought about it Just like martial arts If you just work at it You can get better at it

You know So if you're just like a little bit funny If you can just kind of figure out What it is about you I was like this is fascinating It was like a whole new puzzle But I didn't know If I could ever do it for a living

I was really So confused When I was 21 because I had really kind of decided to stop fighting, and I was still doing it a little bit, but I had like one foot in and one foot out, which is not good. And then I didn't have any prospects. Like, what am I going to, I'm already 21. Like, I should have already graduated from college by now, or be close, or getting ready to work on a master's.

I should be doing something like a lot of the people that I went to high school with, or I should have a trade, like a lot of my buddies, that went into carpentry or electricity. You know, there's, I didn't have. a like career other than teaching. So within a couple of years, you start, because you and I both fairly quickly started getting in good positions. Because if you were 21, I'm going to say by 25, 26, you're on hardball. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah, we were really young. That's how crazy. That's crazy lucky. Fast that happened. Yeah. It's a stupid fast.

Sam. It was stupid fast and is stupid lucky because I didn't have any aspirations to ever be on TV. There was no part of me that wanted to be an actor on TV. Zero. It was never an ambition at all, which probably helped me because when I went in and, you know, talked to the people and did auditions and shit, it wasn't like, oh my God, this is my dream. It was like, so what do you guys want me to do? Okay. Yeah, I could play a baseball player.

Okay. And they just loved the fact that I was, you know, I had a background on athletic. I knew a lot about. You also would murder like none other at the laugh factory. You would go up and I remember the Disney executives

because that's who did that. I remember them sitting in the back watching you. You did the lions, the tigers, the tigers mating and it would just the place would lose their shit.

do like and you're like oh oh and it was captivating watch it was howling funny and i'll never forget just looking at the executives and i don't remember their name i just remember he had a mustache he had a he had a dark mustache dark hair he's from from colorado he was like oh my god jo's just so god damn what i can't i can't take it so you i mean wow that's pretty awesome in that short period of time i wish i had no i won't say i wish I had your mentality then. I have it now, meaning back then I had the desire like, ah, I want, I'm going to start buying satin clothes.

And I'm going to start getting nice clothes. Satin clothes is weird. The first time I went out there. I bought satin blue pants and satin blue. I was like, I'm going to be in Hollywood. It was so retarded. So retarded. Well, but you had this.

whole other, I remember seeing you and you were like, we were at some hotel and you were just so, you're like, yeah, I'm going to go play pool and work out. You want to, you want to, I'm like, what? No, I'm looking for rock stars and actors on Melrose. And you're like, yeah, well, I'm not doing that. I'm going to go in the gym and I'm like, you're going to miss out. But I really admired, I loved and I admired. that about you so much.

Oh, thanks. But I was never interested in like Hollywood stuff, which was not that interesting to me. To be around a bunch of famous people and feel weird. I was like, I'd just rather be around normal people. I'd rather play pool. I'd rather go to the gym. I was like that till I was around famous people.

And then you're like, uh, oh, okay. This is uncomfortable. I want to go home. I want to go back home. Oh, I tried to move back to New York. I would have moved back to New York, except I had a I had a lease on an apartment.

When Hardball got canceled, I was ready to go back to New York. I was like, fuck this place. This is too uncomfortable for me. And again, I never had any aspirations to be famous. And it definitely didn't have any aspirations to act. It was just money. They gave me a lot of money to be on a sitcom. And I was like, okay.

I just couldn't believe how much money you could get in a week. Like, this is crazy. It was crazy. Yeah. It was like more money than I made in a year and I could make it in a week. I was like, this is nuts. Especially because I went from broke to being on a sales. sitcom. Yeah. I remember those same things. Like, you're not making any money. And then all of a sudden

like, you're on 25 to $50,000 a week. You just come and camera block here and there. You don't even have to be the star. It was bananas. But then when I got on news radio, I was like, oh, this is a whole different kind of a thing. Like, this is a really good show with really good writing and really good actors. I was like, this is fun. Like that I enjoyed a lot. But it's, the world of acting is long days and it's not what I like to do the most. So it was like, you know, it's great

but you can get sucked into that velvet prison and then, you know, you'd be like, I'd be talking to my friends that'd be like, yeah, I just did a week in Florida. It was fucking awesome. Went in there on Wednesday and I was realizing like, these guys are selling out on the road and they're traveling all the time.

They're having all this fun. I'm like, they're doing what I wanted to do, which was like stand up like, on the road. Right. I was only doing like small sets in town. I was only doing like 15 minutes at the laugh factory, 15 minutes at the store. You know, it's like the real comedy was like headlining, doing an hour, really developing your act.

Right. And it was like I enjoyed doing news radio, but I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed being around comics, doing sets, being at the clubs, laughing all the time. It's like a different kind of people. The actor people were all worried about what the other. actor people were doing they were all worried about like like what rating we were what number we were in the ratings correct yes and that's all they would talk about dude we were at a table once and when they were all bitching about how you know we were on you know whatever night we were on we moved like nine times over five years right and back then

there was no internet so you can tell people that you're not on Monday night anymore you're not on whatever it was and so they were all bitching and getting pissed because sex and The city was on this time slot, and the single guy was in this time slot. And if we were there, we'd be number two or whatever. Right. And I was like, guys, last time I checked, we're on TV. Yeah. Like, this is a dream.

Yeah, we're not number one. But we have a funny show, and we're on TV. Just fucking enjoy the ride. Yeah. And it was a great show. It was a lot of fun. It was a great show. It did well, but yeah, that world just never.

But it was just so lucky to get it so quick. You know, I was on news radio. six years into doing stand-up. Yeah. And it didn't make any sense to me. But it's also why I wasn't nervous about it. It was like, it seemed so normal to me. Like, okay, this is the job I'm doing.

But it was because I didn't want to do it. Not that I didn't want to do it, but because it wasn't like in my ultimate dream. Well, that's, that made me laugh. I saw you years later. And I don't know if it was, if it was a fear factor or whatever. And someone snarkily, like in a snarky way, we're like, why would you take this? And you're like, because they're paying me

fucking retarded money. They offered fucking retarded money. Like, you wouldn't do this for whatever the episode. And I just, it made me laugh. So it's just, you gave the real answer. Like, if I offered you whatever program, I'm going to offer you, I don't know, 20 million for two years, you're going to go,

I'm not doing that. That's ridiculous. Why would I use, why would I leave my sanitation job to money equals freedom and that's what people need to understand like if you can make a pile of money you get fuck you money and then the key is don't be chasing fuck your mother and fuck your family and fuck the world money correct stick with fuck you money but just make sure you say fuck you so make sure you don't do things you don't want to do and so when fear factor came along i initially took it because i thought it was going to be canceled immediately i was like it was

I was in a development deal with NBC, and they sent me this thing. And I was like, what the fuck is this? They're going to stick dogs on people. Like, I was laughing. I'm pretty sure I was stoned when I first got the pitch. Yeah. And I read out, I go, this is hilarious. And I don't know if my manager even wanted me to do it.

I don't remember. I think they probably wanted me to hold out for a sitcom. And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? This is hilarious. Let me meet with them. And they didn't like me at first. because I came in and was making fun of it. And they thought it should be scary

because this was fear factor. Right. And I was just joking. Like I came into the meeting. I was probably stoned. I came into the meeting and I was just cracking jokes about everything and laughing.

And they didn't. But then David Hurwitz, who was a friend of mine who was one of the producers on the show. He's like, no, no, no, no. Look, the whole world's going to be laughing at us. Yes. It's way better if the host is laughing.

Yes. It's way better. Yes. Like, let's just try it. Like the lunacy of what lengths these people go to. They were going to go with like a sportscaster or something. You know what I mean? Here we are in Fear Factor.

Fear is not a factor for you. Bottom of the night. Maggie from Wisconsin is going to get in the tank. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. So it's just luck. A lot of luck, man.

A lot of weird luck. I've had a lot of weird luck my whole life. Like even coming here is weird luck. Even opening up the club, weird luck. Why you say that? Because a lot of things have to happen. In order for this club to exist, right, a lot of things have to happen. First of all, the COVID thing has to happen, right?

And it has to happen in California where they have very restrictive laws and everything gets locked down. And we can't perform for like, I think the store was shut for a year and a half, man. Are you serious? Yeah. California was nuts with COVID. But over here, like, almost immediately you could do shows. Like, we were, the Cap City was doing shows and they had people separated before they went under.

They just had, like, the tables moved like six feet apart, which was retarded. Didn't mean either. Yeah. And then when we started doing shows at the Vulcan, that was in, like, November of 2020. So that was pretty soon after, you know, the rest of the world was still, like, completely, like, California and New York were still completely restrictive. And Texas was pretty wide open. And so I have to have the kind of money that Spotify gave me. Yeah.

And then I have to be so dumb that I'm in the middle of this giant deal. I'm like, I'm just going to move to Texas, which they were like, what are you doing? Like you need to be in L.A. That's where your studio is. That's where the guests are. Right. And I was like, I'm flying like at least two or three people a week out to Los Angeles. I bet I could get them to fly to Texas.

Yeah. But it was a dumb gamble. It's like it's not a smart move. So, but so it has to be like the Spotify money. It has to be everything closed down. And then it has to be the store closed down. Because the store closed down allow me to get guys like Adam Eget and, you know, and from the store. Yeah, all the people that worked at the store came to work for me.

That's like one of the big secrets, Jody, the managers. Like a lot of the people that are at the mothership came from the store and they were unemployed. Yeah, but I wouldn't take it. I wouldn't, I like your approach is luck. No, but it has to be some luck. Otherwise, it doesn't happen. Because if there's no luck, then if there's no COVID lockdown, then all these comics aren't willing to move here. Correct.

Tony Hinchcliffe, Tom Seguer. Interesting. Christina Piszzy, Brian Simpson. Everybody moved here. Right. So the only reason why anybody would move here is because California's locked down. If the store was hopping and they would be like, why would I go to Texas? Why would the fuck would I go here?

Right. Yeah. So it had to be like a place where you could go. And, you know, and then. you have to have the resources to do something like that. So that has to be like the Spotify thing. Like it's like so many things have to fall

into place where it's that kind of a gamble makes sense. Yeah. It's a lot of luck, man. It's a lot of luck, but it's also a lot of decision making and a lot of... You're very thoughtful and

the walk that you walk creates an energy and And it's very powerful. It's very inspiring. And I do believe in that stuff. Like the way you've walked most of the life that I've known you has been, you're probably, you inspired me so much years ago.

Years and years ago, you came on a radio show and you literally started talking. And you called in. And I remember I just told everyone, just be quiet. Just be quiet and let him go. And just I knew at that moment, you were going to be changing, like, culture, if that makes sense. You went into this deep conversation about we are shifting in humanity. And basically, you said, we're either going to live for truth or you're going to be a liar, like, leech type thing. It was very powerful.

And I think eventually I was like, you know, put Pink Floyd behind and put that on. Oh, yeah. There's a clip of that. It is one of the most, because I wanted the world to hear what you said. It was such a, like no other pastor could say it. No one could say it the way you said it. So, yes, it is all luck. But I do believe that presence that you put out and that energy, it's trusted.

and it's a force that opens doors without even you knowing it because it is all for the good in my belief. But anyway, that's my little compliment for you, Joseph. Well, you inspired me too, dude, because when we first started working together, one of the worst times I ever bombed ever was I was headlining when I really shouldn't have been headlining. I really didn't have an hour.

And you and I did a weekend together somewhere like West Nyack, New York, or something like that. Somewhere yucky, like a holiday inn thing. But I did okay every show except the late show Saturday night. You fucking murdered. I do. You murdered. And I remember being so nervous. I was so nervous.

And I went on stage nervous and I just ate a dick. And I remember it was like one of the worst bombings I've ever had in my life. And I remember thinking at the time, boy, I got to correct something. First of all, I can never go on stage that nervous again. I was like, what was wrong? What was wrong was instead of laughing at you and going on stage having a good time I was nervous about my own performance which is like a self-defeating mentality. Yeah and I had to realize that which is also one of the reasons like it really

My stand up bumped up a lot after that weekend it really did because I really worked on it hard because the bombing was bad It was a but this was a bad one I was supposed to do 45 I bailed at 35 I got in trouble I was eating dick dude I was eating dick It was horrible But the same thing happened When I would take Joey on the road with me And the reason why I would take Joey on the road with me Is because he was so hard to follow

So I said okay I thought of it just like training partners Yes Like you don't want to spar with a guy who sucks You want to spar with the guy who's better than you Right So that you can you could get to his level Yes

And so with Joey Joey was so loose and so free And he was so silly And I was more rigid and I tried to do more setup punchline stuff, but I was, you know, I was only, whatever, eight, nine years in, whatever it was. I was still trying to, like, figure it out.

And Joey had a rhythm to him. He's just so loose. And I'm like, this is gonna help me. Let me just take this guy on the road with me. First of all, he's the best guy to hang out with. He's so much fun. He seems like I- I love him to death.

I never got to hang out with him. I only got to watch him. No, I've only got to see him on here and some other places, I know. He's the best. He's so, everybody, everybody's like, he's so fun. Like, when you're around him, it's all hugs and laughs, and he's the party. You bring Joey anywhere, the parties with Joey.

When we'd go to dinner, we'd have as much fun at dinner as we would at the show. Right, he's the entertainment. Well, he's just a great social engineer. Like, he would, like, he would, like, fucking be the maestro that would get everybody going. Right, right. We would be laughing. Right. And then we'd go to the show and be having a good time.

And I learned to laugh at him because he'd be murdering. And I'd learn to take that momentum of laughing at him and carry it into the energy of my performance. Yes. So it was like it was a good thing because a lot of people want the opposite. They want the guy going on before them to suck. So they look like a hero. Yeah, no, I don't want that. There's a lot of people out there rocking that fucking scheme.

I like, I like what you said. I like a guy hitting hard. Yeah. And then the night's like even I have Brian McKenna opening for me right now. And there's nights, like, I think we're in Louisiana. And I was like, oh, shoot, I got to get up. Like, what is he doing? They're like, ha, ha, ha.

And that makes me go, oh, all right, I got to stay crystal clear. Like, I've got to bring it to this whole level. He's making me, I love someone makes me work. Love's. Well, it's not just that. It's also that the crowd gets their money's worth. Yes. A bunch of people came out to see you.

Like, I've gone to see friends that are really good comics that I really love. And then I go to see them and they have an opening act. I'm like, Jesus Christ, I've got to go to the bathroom. I go sit outside for 20 minutes and wait for this to stop. That's a bad place to be, whether it's your buddy or not. They do it because they want a light opener. Like, Ron White's open about it. Like, he talks about, you do better than me, you're getting fired.

He doesn't give a fuck. But, you know, I love Ron. He's still out here, no? Yeah, he's out here. Yeah, he's at the club all the time. He's there tonight. Okay. Or tomorrow night, rather. Ron's the best.

He's the best. Okay. He's another reason why I came here because he was already here. Ron moved here before the pandemic. Oh, wow. Yeah, he moved here in, I think, 2018 or 19, somewhere around then. And I was like, well, he had a place in Beverly Hills that he kept still, so he'd come back and forth. But he was like, I love Austin.

You never have to leave. If I'm going to want to fly anywhere, it's the middle of the country. The people are nice. The food's great. I was like, can I live there? No. That's what my thought was like, I can't live there. Ron is the type of guy, too, that he doesn't realize how good he is and how popular he is sometimes.

He literally, don't ask me why he called me. I have no. Oh, I remember it was some bizarre connection. He's like, hey, Jim, I keep getting asking the play in London. And I went, oh, you will murder. murder in London. He's like, I don't know. I mean, I don't know.

I'm like, Ron, if you were to play Scotland, England, Ireland, like, you're going to have a whole new, you're going to murder. He's like, I don't know if they were. Please, I'm begging you, at least just take the gig. Please just take the gig. And this is, this was a couple of years ago. And apparently he did do it. I was like, did you? He's like, man, murder.

Of course you did. Especially his style. He's funny. He's very humble, though. Ron is very humble guy. Yeah. He's a, you know, he's a great guy. He's the best.

Well, that's why I like to come in here the first time, because what I like about here is, I reached a point where I have my following. I have my crowd. And if I'm working out stuff, even if it's in an hour, they're going to be patient with me because they like me and they've been on my journey. Right. But if I were to go into a club and do 15 minutes, I better, I bet they're not my, a lot of them don't know me. And I remember the first time I came here. I didn't want to go on stage.

I used to go and stay. I don't know. I'm like, I'm going stage. Wow. It was like, okay. Yeah, I'm not, wow, seven more minutes. Okay. I didn't even finish my setup yet.

This is, this made me, this place made me want to start working harder again. and go, hey, man, you got to put the gloves on. Not that I had any lack of confidence of what I put out there for an hour, but those short little 15 minute when they see everybody, it doesn't matter. It's even playing field. It's pretty awesome. It was great. That was great about the store, too.

Like you'd get a night where you had like seven, eight national headliners in a row. Mm. You know? I saw that one, and they don't care after a while. It's just bringing the funny. I saw someone from a huge sitcom go on stage place loses their mind. Even I was a little like, oh, wow, oh, wow. And about, they did the schick of their character.

And about five minutes in, they were like, okay, we're done. You can tell jokes or you're just going to be the TV guy? And this is like, they don't, they've seen everything. You've got to come with the goods. You got to work it. TV guy thing. We used to see that all the time in LA, too. Well, that's what led to Kramer, that meltdown.

Well, that's who it was. Yeah. I didn't want to say. But he first walked up, it was like, oh, do it. I know. And he would fall down. And then after about five, seven minutes. And this one was at the improv, and I'm watching, like, oh, wow, he, oh, wow, you don't have material.

He's just, wow. Which is crazy. They turned on him quick. Imagine thinking they. that you could do 15 minutes with no material. I just don't understand. Comics make it look easy. You know how many people go,

how many people have you met that go, you know what? You inspired, I'm going to start doing stand-up. Okay. Some of them, you're like, please don't. Yeah, like, okay, I still get, I'm starting next.

Here's my friend, and they'll send me a set of their first set. Like, comedians make it look like we just walk up and just wing it. Well, it's also guys used to, performing in front of a live audience when he does a sitcom and everybody loves them. And if he could make people laugh for a minute, he thinks he could probably make people laugh for multiple minutes.

Right. Just keep it going. Just do the same thing for 15 minutes. And the little side of us are just back then. I root for everyone. But if those guys walk off, you're like, go down. Right, John. Yeah.

There's nothing more. Well, we don't like anybody that's half stepping, right? No. Half in, not really doing it. Right. Like, you're just taking up 15 minutes from. someone that could be doing it. Correct.

I used to... Do you know Neil Brent? Not Neil. Kevin? No, I don't know Kevin very well. I've met him, I'm sure. I remember him doing sets in New York back in the day.

Kevin, we get so pissed because... Wow, he's a famous guitar player. Oh, my God. John Mayer? Yes, John. So Kevin would come in. He'd come in to the radio and be like, he's going on.

He's doing fucking 20 minutes. And he sucks. I can't go to Madison Square Garden and go give me the guitar for 20. It's my fucking time. This comics would get really edgy. They didn't care who you were. He would go and I'd love to listen. He would rant and I would howl listening to him.

Of course, I would prod the tiger once in a while when he'd start going. Fucking crazy. Fucking John Mayer! All right, I get it. You play. Fucking get off the stage. Oh, my God. Yeah, comics are very territorial about the art form.

Extreme. Yeah, like, when someone tries to do it that's not a comic, they automatically kind of reject them. I'm always like, give me a chance. Never know. Never fucking know. Never know. A guy who's been acting but really always wanted to stand-up might have some good

ideas and might really throw themselves into it. It's possible. Why would you assume it's impossible? It's possible. It is possible. But the reality in LA is a lot of them were doing it because the whole casting thing had dried up for them, right? So they weren't getting brought into shows anymore, so they decided to do stand-up. And they would just, you know, put together an act, like write an act.

Yeah. Yeah, but it wasn't what they really loved. So it wasn't what they really threw. It's a paycheck. Yeah. It's a little paycheck to get them by. It was a career decision. It was like pivoting, you know.

Yeah. I know a couple guys like that. Yeah. Cicom or a sketch show or even like an S&L character. He didn't do stand-up and now they'll tour and trying to do whatever. So here's an interesting thing. I should tell you because you know this person. Okay.

sincere message of thank you and then I sent him a message back that was sincere and I said look I'm not your enemy I'm sure if we saw it was despite our differences I'm sure if we saw each other within a few minutes we'd be laughing and smiling yes which is generally how I interacted with them for the most part I had only a few bad interactions with him and he was pretty honest about how you know maybe it's his own mind and I know it was but it was a it was a very sincere interaction which made me happy.

It's not good to have enemies. No, it's really not. It's not good. I've had maybe two or three that have vocally put out on, because I'm not into the Twitter insulting or going on other programs insulting. If you have an issue, tell me. Right. And then we'll deal with it the way to real humans do it. Yeah.

And when that whole thing, I have a funny feeling. I know it some of his issues were. But I felt, and I put it out there, I felt, I felt bad because for years, I didn't have great interact. When I started, listen, I'm not poo-poo and whatever, but yeah, a lot of guys didn't like me. They were like, who's this animated, loud-mouthed kid coming in here, confident, blah, blah. And he would always kind of like, I'll never forget, he'd be like, you're going to woo him? You're going to woo him tonight? He was trying to sabotage you.

Without that. It was a competition thing with him. And I understood that because I'm still back then. You made a whole video about it. Correct. Yeah, I saw that video. And so as we went on, I actually was so happy for him once he got WTF because you saw like, wow, he's. He became a different person.

And he found his niche. And he became friendly. It was easy to be around. He was all, he was so his podcast was killing it. And then he had a show on the IFC Marin. He was doing great. He was way easier to hang around with. He was incredible.

Because all the angst had been removed and he'd become a made man, right? Made man. Yeah, he'd become legit. Who cares, who else is becoming made man? Exactly. But then when things go south, then it's hard to maintain that same mindset. It's very easy for me to see. say, oh, just relax and who cares?

Everybody should be happy that all these people are doing well. But if you're not doing well, that jealousy is a natural thing. I've experienced it before. I've experienced it. I know the feeling. I've experienced it for brief moments before, you know, even like, you know, eight, nine years ago maybe even. It's like, there's moments where someone's really killing it. You're like, oh, what the fuck?

But then I realized in my head, like, God, that's a bitch-ass way of thinking. Don't hold on to that. No. We're on our own journey. This is our world. But also, that same feeling can instead be inspiration. Like when you and I worked together and I bombed, one of the things that inspired me was not just I got to get better because I bombed, but you murdered.

You had that bit about coming home dropping home wasted. And your mother was turned into a demon. Yeah, it was a great bit. A demon with a ball. It was so, like, animated and big. It didn't make. me hate you, I loved you. We were great friends. I was like, that is so good. It just made me want to get better. So that same feeling that can turn you like, oh, you're going to do woo-w-hum,

you're doing your bullshit. Instead, I was like, fuck, Jim, you're killing it, man. That's awesome. Yes. I just, I come from a different world and my world requires other people around you to be as good or better than you, the martial arts world. Like when I was a four-time state champion and I was doing it. I wasn't necessarily the best guy in the gym. There was guys in the gym were better than me. Always.

There was other guys that were also state champions. Some of them were national champions. They were better than me. But because I was around those people training hard all the time, that's why I got so good. It was because I was around people as good, if not better than me,

all the time that it elevated my level. So I felt the same way about stand-up. I'm like, you need those people that make you feel uncomfortable. They make you feel like, fuck, I got to go to work. Yes. And whether it's him or whoever, it just doesn't even have to be the comedy world. It's just the world in general.

It always, it's not that sad. I wish sometimes people in those positions, no matter how successful you are and whatever you define success, if someone else is starting to kill it somewhere, let them, what is, keep your eyes off that. Just stay in your own lane. I hate that term, though. It's not stay in your lane. It's stay in your world of confidence. And I saw a couple people try to take a swat.

And I think it was deeper than that. I think it was A, they were envious. And B, because you had certain people on. And perhaps they were angry because they're still lumped into how they define themselves to certain gangs that their allegiance goes to. Yeah, ideological capture. A hundred percent. How dare he have...

Don't platform that person. Don't platform this one and don't platform that one and don't platform. And as fact, I would even hear chatter like this. I would never... And I'd go, yes, you would. Because... Well, if you wouldn't, then you would never be me in the first place. So what are you worried about?

We're different human beings. Correct. The point is, I understand those feelings. I do. I understand those feelings of anger and those feelings. of jealousy, of resentment. It is absolutely normal, but it is a bitch-ass way to think. And I've thought those ways.

I've had bitch-ass thinking in my life. 100%. So I get it. I understand it. It's normal. But what these people need to hear that I need to learn myself is that that not only does not help you, it hurts you, but the same exact experience can instead be inspiring to you. and that will help you.

And you're going to be uncomfortable with comparing yourself to someone who's better than you. But that uncomfortable feeling is what leads to growth. It's really important. It's good. It's good for you.

But what's not good for you is to try to dismiss that person and shit on that person. Like, even if someone's doing something that I don't like, I don't like their style. So what? I don't care.

There's a lot of music. Look, I have teenage girls. Oh, boy. When they listen to music, they love it. I don't like it. But it doesn't mean it's not good. They fucking love it. They love it.

There's a lot of guys that are into jazz. I don't like it. But it doesn't mean it's bad. No. It's great for some people. It's there are. It's like everybody has a thing that you're into and everybody has a different style. So if someone's doing something that you don't enjoy, you don't have to hate them.

It doesn't mean, that's not beneficial to you. It doesn't help you at all. Some what up what you said, You can have your bitch-ass feelings. Yeah. Just don't have your bitch-ass emotions and act on, don't act bitch-ass. Just don't act bitch-ass. That's when you start having issues, when you put it out in the universe because there's still inside you, which we all have it.

Yes. It's when you put it out there. Now it's out there. Now everyone looks at you a whole different. I've done that multiple times. I'm never proud of it. Always feel horrible. Exactly.

Never tour it always within family or friends or so. Never, I try not to put it out in the world. In the world with names of people because I don't have any qualms. It feels horrible. No, I feel like a little punk bitch. I just did that. I know. I thought I was mature.

You gave into those bitch-ass feelings. I thought I was mature. It's normal. Like I remember someone was telling me that Chris, Rock was selling out everywhere after the Will Smith thing. And I swear to God for like a couple of seconds. I was like, aw, what the, he's selling out instantly all these arenas? It takes me a couple of days.

It's so stupid, so dumb. Like he was the hot ticket because everybody wanted to see him. But it was only for a few seconds. And then I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You fucking silly bitch. Such a dumb way to think. But the problem is you don't in the time and then the other thing is they think that they're going to diminish that by attacking you. But what they don't understand is when you do that publicly, the heat comes for you.

Because now you've set the game in motion. Now you started moving pieces around the board and then people are starting to move pieces against you. And that's the, I felt that even at a time where I felt it was necessary. The whole Carlos Mencia thing. I said that to my friends afterwards. I said, I don't think I'll ever do anything like that again. Because just the negative, even if it was only 10% of the people that were negative, 90% were positive, that 10% is just not a good feeling. It's a terrible feeling.

It's not good. Even though I thought that was a necessary thing to do. Because not just him, but I wanted to expose the way the business was treating that, where they were profiting off of it and openly covering it. and they knew about it. And they thought it was just business. That wasn't what my agent said to me. It's just business. I remember a phone call we had somewhat after that.

And I remember you telling me your agency dropped to you. They dropped to you. I'm not crazy for thinking that, right? No, they dropped me. But what they said was that I had to apologize to him or they couldn't work with me anymore. Correct. And I said, listen, then if just you bringing that up, our relationship is over. Done. I said, just because you wanted to do, and they said it's just business.

I go, you're making a decision that will affect you for the rest of your life. I go, because you're siding with a vampire. Right. You sell art. It's all you sell. All you guys are is a comedy agency, right? You sell art. You've got a guy who's stealing art from other artists.

Like, this is bad for you. Everyone's going to know. So Louis left them after that. Louis came up to meet the improv. asked me if that was true. I said yes. He goes, okay, I'm leaving them. Attell, Nick Swartson, a bunch of people did.

So it wasn't like I was right. But it was also, but the negative feeling of the people angry at me for it was like so gross. It was like you put that out there in the world as a giant distraction. It takes away from most of your life. You think about it all the time. Just not good. At that time, I understand that. But also, like for instance, I, that was already out there.

With him? Yeah. And I personally. With comics it was. It was out there with comics and it was out there with him. I personally didn't see particular, but like I, I worked at maybe once a choice. And I'm not an L.A. guy. So everyone in their mother, I mean, it was a lot of people that would say that.

So when the point of. that happening, it was such justice in the community and beyond that, in the world. Like, can we stop? Can we stop? If you're taking from others, if you're taking from, which I've already dealt with at that point on some other levels, it happened multiple times when people take and then they Well, you dealt with it on SNL. Yes, SNL and other areas

and which whatever. It's all in the past and I'm all good now. So when you deal with that and you're very, I just dealt with buying tickets as another whole deal. So with that said, it's very freeing when you finally put it out there and not that you want to see someone's career plummet or take a hit or whatever, but it was very refreshing to see that people, or fans went, oh, we didn't know this, because a lot of the time, fans don't care.

How could they know? They wouldn't know, but they didn't, but they don't. And you go, you're still going to show up. And then all of a sudden, it just, it went to a whole different direction. You saw like this person struggling here. And then it was, it's that time we're living in. You set an example for, if we're all going to start moving forward, can we just be blatantly honest, whether it's whether we're making art or food,

whatever you're doing in your lifetime, stop stealing. And if you're going to take, give the credit of where you're getting it from. But you can't do that in stand-up. No, you can't do it in stand- You have to ask and say, can I buy that bit or something like that?

But it's just such a- Nobody wants to sell their bits. You can't even do that. Well, you could hire people to write for you, which is very respectable. I know, like, high-level comics who hire people to help them punch up jokes. Nothing wrong with that.

No. And I never knew that either. I never knew that until I remember being in New York and the guys like, hey, you know, I write with Chris. I'm like Chris, Chris Ryan. I'm like, oh, wow. Yeah, punch up stuff like that. And then I see certain guys, which makes sense because if you're going to hit a certain level, I mean, you got to stay. And not saying they're not.

People would always say that Chris had writers, but that's not totally true. So what Chris would do was he would come up with all the material, would come up all the bits, and then he would have guys watch his set, professional guys. And these professional guys would watch his set, and then they would talk about it. They would have feedback on bits. Like, he really worked with Richard Jenny a lot. He was great.

Oh, my God, was he good. He taught me the most. I learned so much from Jenny because he would just take a premise, and he'd go, and every time you thought he was done milking this person, Yes. He'd show up again, 15 minutes later, like, oh my God, we're going another direction with this premise? So good.

You gotta be kidding me. He was so thorough. Oh my God. He would take all, I mean, it was so impressive. Wow. So Jenny's helping. Yes. Jenny helped rock with bigger and blacker.

He helped him with, what was the other one that was really, bring the pain? Yes, the two big monsters. The two classic. Two of, like, if you have a top 20 all-time comedy specials, they're both in there. Monsters. Monster bit. Monster. sets. He's the first guy I saw. Chris was the very first person I saw. I won a lottery to do open mic at the

comic strip. And I'm going to say I was 19, maybe 19, 20. I didn't know what that was. And I show up the comic strip and I see Eddie Murphy on the one. I'm like, oh, I got this to swear. Because I had that Eddie Murphy album where he had like a little flower was from the comic strip and he had the little Yeah. Did he do that at the comic strip? Yeah. He did? Yes, it was at the comic strip, and yeah, he did life in the comic strip. He was like, it was a great special. Great special, great album. I bought it on cassette.

That's how old it is. I bought it in an album. Bro, how did he stop doing stand-up? There it is. Oh, my God. How did he stop doing stand-up? He was 1982. He was so good.

Yeah, so I was a sophomore in high school back there. You, 58? Yeah. Yeah, we graduated at the same time. Look at the comic strip. He was so good. When you see. him did you see him do that he got one of those Mark Twain awards I believe it was yes and he

went and did a set yes did an impression of Bill Cosby getting his awards taken away from him no yes it's great I got to watch I got to watch that it's really with Jamie will pull it up it's you go oh my God please do stand up again please do stand up again do you remember the bit he did he goes he goes I guess it was in the what was it what was the one with the red leather pants. Raw. No, no, no. Delirious? Delirious? Delirious. And he goes, you're right, you're right. He goes, man. He goes, Bill Cosby called me and he said, you know, filth and the fowl and the fowth and the filth and the filth and the fit. And he goes, so I call Richard Pryor and said, next time that motherfucker call you and tell him to suck my dick and have a nice pudding on me. Well, he said, do the people laugh? Did you get paid?

Yes. But tell Bill to have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up. That's what he said. Thank you so much. This is a tremendous honor. Wonderful evening. I like to thank the Kennedy Center, first of all, for celebrating me and honoring me in such a wonderful way and bringing my loved ones and my family here. This is a super special, memorable night. And thank you to all the comedians and came out and sang. I mean, Sam Moore came out and sang, and Alabama Shakes was here. We had a really, really, really, really special night. It hasn't been lost on me that, you know, usually when people have evenings like this, a person is really, really old when they get these.

They'll let you wait, really like... One of the greatest, funniest people of all time was George Carlin, and he received this award posthumously. And he's funnier than all of us. So to be standing here alive and looking like myself still... Is it right now? They let you get really old and get a good at you know. And there was also some confusion about whether or not it was an award or a prize.

And I, you know, and actually it's an award. Even though they call it a prize, it's an award. Because usually when there's a prize, there's money involved. But I thought I was going to get some paper. I was like, yo, Mark Twain Awarded, Kennedy said, that sounds like paper. Then they told me yesterday they raised 2.3 million. And I was like, yo, I'm in there. Then I came down and they told me that,

oh, there is no, it's a prize, but there's no money. And I was like, oh. So I think to clear up the confusion for future recipients, maybe you don't want to call it the Mark Twain Prize. Maybe you might want, if you don't want to call it the award, maybe you could call it the Mark Twain surprise. Surprise. And a surprise, of course, being you ain't get no money.

But that still doesn't diminish how our wonderful this is. A wonderful, wonderful thing to be included with some of my heroes, Richard Pryor, and George Carlin and Carl Reiner and Lily Tomlin. Who else got this? Bill. Oh, Bill. Bill has one of these. Did you make Bill give his back?

No, because I know there was a big outcry from people. They was trying to get Bill to give his trophies back. You know you fucked up when they want you to give you trophies back. Trophy back, too? He should do one show where he'd just come out and just talk crazy now. I would like to talk some. Obviously, they'd bleep that out. Wow.

Up to my house talking about I'll give up the trophy because you put the pill of the people chocolate. You get... But this is 11 years ago Yeah I was going to say Dick Gregory said Yeah that's Dick Gregory It was right Yeah yeah yeah yeah

Come on out and push over that Yeah we're good You know He's like a standup Like he's doing standup He is accepting the war He's killing And he hasn't done standup in fucking decades

I think it's the The Billy Joel thing Where he was such a hit And so I mean his stand-up specials were monsters it's to be one to be compared to that

is such a like you and I argument me he's like my kids have no clue Eddie Murphy was stand up they have no they have no clue

they just know him as donkey that's crazy he's donkey and Shrek right hey Shrek he's big mama yes yeah

don't even know that they just know him they just know donkey no he was the other one we got fat the clumps the clumps the clumps

the clumps nutty professor yeah nutty professor and then there was other where he played like a bunch of different people. That's the clumps. Yeah, I think so. He's the one where I committed to doing stand-up.

I was taking, I was, my parents moved to Florida. This is like 987, something like that. So I'm taking theater. I'm doing stand-up in Long Island, like playing Levittown, the governors. And I was shocked no one discovered me. I was so cocky. So cocky. It's like, how do you not know I've arrived?

to New York, and soon I will be discovered. And then my parents moved to Florida, and while I'm down there, I'm really struggling. I think I was almost 21 years old. I said, I'll just go into restaurant management and hotel, and I took that nonsense class. And then Eddie Murphy, and the only reason I was doing it was for my mother, because my mom's like, you got to fall back on something, and you need a pension. and, you know, they're where you got to pension and make money. God forbid something happens. Jimmy, you got to do something.

And so while I'll never forget this, this is like 9. I want to say it's late 88, maybe early 89. And Arsenial Hall was like the biggest talk show thing ever. Yeah. Where's my dog? It was huge. Things that make you go, hmm. Yeah, things to make them.

Hmm. Oh, yes. Yes. Things that make you go, hmm. Yes, things that make you hmm. And so he had Eddie Murphy on. And of course, I saw Eddie Murphy live at Westbury Music Fair when it was like 18 years old. I'm like, so I've, this is my life right here.

And so I'm watching Eddie Murphy. I wish I can find this interview one day. And Arsenio's like, you got anything to say for any young comics? out there. And this is not exactly what he said, but I remember he turned to the camera and he went, don't listen to your mother. Your mother wants you to do that and do that. You're going to 100%. Why are you going to fall back to something? You're going to fail. If you want to make a pizza, you're going to make a pizza 100%. You're going to put the pepper on it. But the point of him was like, don't listen to your mother. You're going to go for it. You know what you want inside.

You go for it. Stop listening. He's outside sources that really, they don't, they're not in your brain. They're not in your journey. They're not in your vision. I've told a couple nephews and a good friend about this. So, Jim, I really want to go in there. I said, do it. Your mom's going to get pissed, but she's not, this is your journey, kid. Go for it. But that moment, Eddie Murphy is the reason why I just, I went home that day. And I went, uh, I got to tell you guys something. And I, you know, my dad's World War II vet. Everyone's a cop in the family. My dad is still like, you know, you can still sign up for the police department.

You want that? You know, you get a good pension. Officer Jim. Yeah, dude. I was there like, dad. The windows rolled down, smoke comes out of the car. Give me that joint. Get the fuck out of here.

You know why it pulls you over? No, okay. I don't need. All right. Get out of here. Don't be an asshole. Just get home safe. I'll follow me.

And now you have that, I told my dad. If I had to chase, if I ever had to chase someone, I'm not, I'm not giving you a ticket. I am going to beat the shit out of you. If I'm running, my calves are killing me, and I'm going through red lights when I get you, I'm taking behind a dumpster. It's not going to end well for you.

I'm not made for that. And so I said, hey, I want to let you know right now, I am going to be a stand-up comedian. I am going to go into TV. I'm going to pursue film, and this is what I'm doing. And I'll never forget it. It was my dad. It was my dad who turned to me,

never shook my hand. in my life. Anyway, you're a man now, and he goes, you go do that because I never had that opportunity. And I want you to have more than me. And my mom was like, Jesus Christ, Almighty. Be careful, be careful. Be careful.

Be careful. Jesus Christ, Sharon. Later that night, she's having martini. You know what? Spin around a circle. And horrible. My, I've been right now. Oh, that's so funny.

But that was it. That was the, it was. Eddie Murphy and then my dad's official boom and I was off to the races. By the time I started doing stand-up, my parents had long given up on trying to control me.

They're like, okay. Yeah. Good luck. Well, yeah, you're in your young 20s now. Yeah. Yeah. And it was also like, they were uncomfortable

about me fighting and I was like, I'm going to go do this. I'm doing this. Yeah, you know what you're doing. Well, it's like, either of it I didn't know what I was doing, I was going to do it. Yeah, you were doing it.

But it's like that leap is very hard when your parents are telling you no. It's very hard. When they're giving you a hard time and they're putting pressure on you to have a legitimate career, they just don't get it. You know, they just don't get it. That it's like, someone can do it. It is a job. So this thing is like, oh, what if you never make it? Like I remember I was dating this girl when I was 21 and her dad said that to her.

Like her dad was very concerned about me. He said, what if he doesn't make it? And she said it to me. You know what if you don't make it? I go, okay. I don't know what to say. Maybe I won't, but I'm going to try. I'm not going to stop doing it because I might not make it.

That's retarded. I go, someone can do it. I work with professional comedians all the time. They make a living doing stand-up comedy. Right. I know it exists. It's not like I'm inventing a new profession that didn't exist before. This is a profession.

Yeah. It's not easy to do. to do, but I think I can do it. And I think I want to try because I can't, I can't have a regular job. I'm too ADD. I can't sit in a, me either. And when I say regular job, people think, I know what you mean. Oh, you're demeaning our jobs.

That's not what I mean. I mean a job you don't want to do. Like if you have an office job, but that's what you love doing, if you're doing something that you enjoy doing, there's nothing wrong with that. But a lot of people, that's not what they're doing. A lot of people are just doing a job. And that beats you down. It beats you down and it dulls you.

It dulls the conversations that you have. It dulls the conversations you have off work. You don't get stimulated. You're at a drone frequency, unfortunately. And I didn't want to do that, man. I had a bunch of jobs, like job jobs just for money. And they don't feel good. I didn't enjoy it.

And I didn't have a thing. Like if there was a thing, like I want to be a carpenter, I want to build houses. I didn't have that thing. I didn't have that thing. But I know people who do. and they're very happy. They love it. Architects, engineers.

There's a lot of people who love what they do. Those were not interesting to me. And so I was trying, and then stand up was the only thing I'm like, oh, my God, these people are outcasts just like me. They're weirdos, just like me. They're the people that just don't fit in. They're the people that say the things you're not supposed to say. That was me. I was like, I got to figure out how to do this.

I knew it was a, I mean, I never thought. Fitzsimmons and I talk about this all the time because we started. out like literally within a week of each other. Wow. We traveled together all of, we would drive to Rhode Island to do open mics together. We hung out, we did a ton of road gigs in the early days. All our goal was was to be able to pay our bills with comedy. That was the goal.

Right. The only goal. And it felt great. That was because we knew guys. It was this guy, DJ Hazard, who was a really funny Boston standup. And I went to look at these apartments once. And these loft apartments, they had turned this, like an elementary, school, this old brick elementary school, into these loft condos.

Yeah. And DJ had a place there. And I knew, like, I went to look at this, like, little studio apartment that they had there. And he had this big loft there. I was like, oh, my God. You imagine this guy's doing this just with comedy? This is crazy. Right.

Look at this fucking killer apartment this guy has. And he just tells jokes. Right. That was the dream. Yes. And that was the dream. I tell my kids, too, I tell everyone, just go for your passion. Whatever it is.

Go for the passion. And, you know, my... And, dude, while you're young, where you don't have a family, you have a mortgage, you know, but you're not Eddie talking about. I think so. He's talking about starting comedy and not...

Look at his hair. Look at his hair. By the way, Ed, here's your report card. I'll be blown away if this is it. But you always knew that this is where you wanted to be. I knew I wanted to be in show business. And I just happened to luck out and things happen. I think you know, you know, if you know what you're supposed to do, deep down inside, I think everybody does.

A lot of people just don't go after it, you know, like most people start out, they say, I want to be a this, but I'm going to get that to make sure I have something to fall back on. And what you're doing is you're setting yourself a buffet because you're going, there's a possibility that I'm going to fall back. And when you put that out there, then you fall back. But if you just say, hey, this is what I want to do and you go do it, you usually get your stuff the way you want it, man. That's what I. I don't even know if this is true, because you know how Uncle Ray lies, okay? Uncle Ray's in my...

I loved Uncle Ray. You know how about your Uncle Ray's shaved off his beard? You seen? No, I didn't see it. Uncle Ray told me that a fortune show him. What you did? He came out with his beard off. I said, oh.

See, they don't know Uncle Ray, so they're like... Picture me, but a lot older, that's Uncle Ray. He said that He said How much time do we have last? Plenty? Do you have any other guests tonight? He's like,

I already did my favor. Not Uncle Ray. Please don't invite Uncle Wright. That's not me. That's hilarious. He brought his uncle out. Dude, he would bring his uncle.

His uncle would murder. That's what I would look like in 40 years. His uncle would murder, I think, on letterman. His uncle would murder. Now, now he got me wondering. Maybe there's another interview. No, I could stop. Like, did I go from that or in my head?

Did you add to it in your head? Did I add to it in my head? That does happen. It does happen. I don't like that. Oh, it's so weird. I don't like, I'm like, absolutely. said. It's so weird when you have a memory that you're sure of.

Yes. Other people like, no. This happened. That happened the other thing. And then you're like, wait, shit. But I, you're right. And I do remember saying the fall back stuff because I used that going into talking to my mom. Like, mom, can't fall back. I'm going to do 100%. That is a fact. With anything. You can't fall back. You can't have a net. You're not going to make it if you have a net. No, you're spreading yourself thin all over to place. It's just too hard. Well, also, the amount of focus that takes whatever you're trying to do in life, the amount of focus that it takes to do it. This is what I always say to fighters when they have like one foot in and one foot out. I'm like, quit, quit. Because the consequences of you facing a guy that's all in are devastating.

That guy wants to be the best ever. And you're not sure if you want to fight anymore. You're going to get hurt. Right. Right. That happens a lot. You see that a lot. Yeah, because sometimes it's just for the cash.

Well, it's also their identity. And there's, you know, they're not sure if this is the right career for them. Maybe they have a couple of losses and they don't feel confident anymore. Like, get out. But with comedy, at least you don't have to worry about getting hurt. Like really what it's just about is like, okay, you're presented with more challenges. Figure it out. Figure it out and push through.

Somebody's done it. Okay? There's people out there that are doing it. Which is one of the things that we really, when we started the club, one of the things that we implemented the club that we thought was really important as a legitimate development program. So Adam Eaget, who is the talent coordinator for the comedy store, is now the talent coordinator for the mothership. But he takes it very seriously.

There's a program. Right. There's two days of open mic nights. He watches everybody set. Right. He sits down. He takes notes. He gives them feedback.

And then when they start progressing, he gives them a little bit more time. And then maybe he'll give them a spot on one of the showcase shows. Right. And doing that and allowing people to have a path. where then they go on the road with some of the other headliners. And we have a lot of guys that are headlining on the road that are taking a lot of the people that work at the club, door people, people that work on the staff, take them on the road with them. So there's a pathway. So not only do you see that others have done it, so you know, but there's a way that it's like we're helping them.

And there's a lot of talented people that they get frustrated. And we all knew guys that were really fucking talented when we were in New York. Remember that kid from Jimmy's Comedy Alley? I brought him up before. Dark hair. He was really funny. Really funny. Remember Jimmy's Comedy Alley in Queens?

I know I brought him up on the podcast before. Fagely. This kid was funny, man. But funny, but like really socially conscious. He was a New York guy. He was a New York guy. Was he kind of sporadic and off the wall a little bit? Yeah, it was a little weird.

I know he's talking about. I know what I'm talking about. And he, oh my God. But he was funny. George? Is it George Gallo? No, no. That's another guy who was very funny too.

Okay. There was another guy, but this guy was different. He was almost like, kind of like, clearly he was a fan of Bill Hicks. Ah. He wasn't stealing from Bill Hicks, but he was clearly inspired by Bill Hicks. Okay. I mean, not Bill Hicks style at all, but socially conscious stand-up that was like really funny and good. And I was like, this guy's gonna make it.

And like, no. Stanhopey. Doug not as good as Stanhope, not as good as Stanhope but wasn't didn't have like by time I met stand-ups, Stanhope rather Stanhope had been doing stand-up for probably 12 years. So he was like super legit back then. I think that's when I remember we were at some Florida event and I went down there totally fluffing my feathers. I think I was I think I I might have had a season of S&L. I'm like, you know, I'm wearing my pal. I'm like, I've got my peacock feathers out.

And Stanhope was the winner of this festival, and they got to play the last night. I think it was like Todd Barry. All I remember is Todd Barry, Doug Stanhope, and me. Now, I was supposed to follow Todd Barry. No offense to Todd I'll take that any day of the week Because Todd's energy is lower

Right He's like a deadpan guy Right and deadpan no matter murder I know I feel comfortable I'm like okay I usually do okay after deadpan No matter what I'm ready to go

I'm seasoned I could do this They go we're switching the order I'm switching the order Because at that time too I think the manager Maybe it was whoever it was He knew he's like There's no way

He's gonna be able to go up after Stadhope. So they switched Barry and Stanhope. So now I don't know who Doug Stanhope is. And Doug Stanhope goes out. I'm going to say for like the first couple minutes, he's eating it a little bit. And I'm like, why would you do this to this kid? And an all son, he snapped.

And all I remember is from that moment on, I went, oh shit. This is going up after this. and he was murdering, like slaying. And the things he was saying, because at that time, too, I'm not a dirty guy. I'm not, I just chew sometimes. I love filthy material, but I just don't always go in that. And he's hitting subjects, like dark subjects, and it's sex,

and he's beating a shit out of the rope. And I just went, yeah, this is not going to go well. And I remember going up, and I held my own, but I don't know if I pulled off going up after a very young, unproven stand-hop. Even back then, I was like, I got to keep my eye on this guy because he's a monster.

And he was. He was a monster. This is like 90, maybe mid-90s? Yeah, I think I'm at Stan Hope from 98, somewhere around then. What's that? No, no, no, no. Well, maybe. No, that is him.

That is him. That is him. He just looks different there. Whoa. Wait a minute. He's older. Yep, that's him. That's him.

No, it's just Keith Anthony. So is he still working? Who's Keith Anthony? Keith Anthony is the guy that I was telling you about Jimmy's comedy out. Oh. He was very funny. He came to the comedy store. He drove across the country in a Cadillac that had the roof sawed off of it.

And it like it was a convertible but not really. So it didn't have a top. And so his fucking, he got rained on while he was driving across the country. So his entire Cadillac is filled with water while he's driving. I don't know if he drove with a raincoat or if he just ate it, just ate the water. But yeah, that's Keith Anthony. Wow. Thank you, James.

Is he still around? How did you pull that off? Tricks. Is he still around or? I don't know. I haven't seen him in forever. I remember we brought him up in the podcast a few years ago. Yeah, I found a transcript where he brought him up.

Yeah. And who is the guy from the radio? I hope I don't know going to Rogers. The radio is a radio guy. He was taller. He was married to like an Israeli chick. John Tobin. Yes!

Yeah. I still, that was one of the greatest, most hilarious adventures of my lifetime was Tobin and I we had a gig and it was horrifying. It was like coconuts. We're going to send you down to we're going to send you down to Cancun Spring Break.

Oh God. Oh yeah. And now I'm young I'm like oh my I'm not even married yet You were in Cancun? Yes and it's spring break I'm like oh my God What year was this? Okay so I got married 93 I'm going to say 1992. 1992.

And I think I'm making 500 bucks for two weeks. You have to work every single night. Right? So wait a minute. So I don't know who the other comedian is, right? Right. And so as we, I land or Cancun and right away, the bells and I whistle and have a tequila shot. I'm like, I'm young.

Like, this is great. Tobin is probably 10, 15 years older. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to say he was in his young 40s. I could be wrong. So as we're driving down to Cancad. We're getting wasted on the bus.

Like, who wants another shot? I want another shot. It's the greatest kidding ever. So we pass all the spring break hotels and there's no one left on the bus. There's nobody left on the bus except for some guy who's in his 40s, right? And I got walking up the bus driving like, hey, where's you know

La Travas And he's going Tantdown That down What? I don't understand What he's saying And this guy goes

He said it's downtown I went Oh I go What is your name He goes John I go I'm a comedian

It's like yeah I'm the other fucking comedian And they have It's fucking Downtown They don't have Some fucking thing

I said it's Okay Are you sure That doesn't sound like No, no, no, no, dude. It was John. This is really funny.

So they put us downtown, right? Me and Tobin. And me and John have talked to this multiple times. I said, one day we got to write this as the funniest adventure ever. We had a take. First of all, we check in the hotel. And the guy's like, yeah, I don't know if the other guy's still in there. What other guy?

They're like, the three of you in one room. when three of us in a room. What are you talking about? John's losing his shit. He's arguing with his, when he's like, I'm married to his rally check. And all they do is yell each other. He goes,

Bafone, he fucking yell each other. So now we go to our room, and there's someone in our room. And he goes, yeah, I haven't been paid yet. Been stuck here for like a month. Oh, what? Oh, yeah. So I slept on the floor. No.

On my life. On my lap. As to open this. Right. So I'm on the floor. The first night I was like wake up and Tobin's like yelling over the other. He's like, if you keep snoring, I've got to lose my shit. Right.

So by the end of the week, when I getting paid, all the gigs are getting canceled. All I remember is it ended like six days later. I had to go get money transfer because now we're partying. We're just like, screw it. Let's go find weed, tequila. We went on an adventure with this poor bastard got thrown out of a car. We were going to buy tequila, right? And the guy got thrown out of a car.

And we're like, what's going on? Now, we're all wasted. And we go up, and the guy's going in his pockets and taking his money. And we go, hey, what's going on there? And he's like, you know what I'm in? Talking to Spanish again. And John knew Spanish a little bit. And so he takes off.

And we're like, we're taking care of this guy. Like, what's your name? He's like, Juan. To this day, this is why I know in Spanish, my name is Jaime. Because we lifted him up and he's like, oh, amigo, amigo, what are your name? I said, James, Jaime. Yeah, yeah, Jaime, Amigo, John, Juan. This night lasted to 6 a.m. in the morning.

And it was one of the greatest ventures in our entire lifetime. To this day, I have to get Tobin because he's got even greater details as the night goes on. It was probably the greatest. It ended that night or that morning about 7 a.m. To John with a with a golf club smashing the drapes because he's like, I said I've got to lose it if you don't stop snoring. He's smashing the thing and some other thing. The University of Wisconsin was staying there with some other mess going on.

All I remember was I woke up. I went right to the airport. I booked a hotel. And I went home and I haven't seen John since. But I remember you knew him. You were his buddy. Well, John and I did stand up at the Jokers Wild in New Haven, Connecticut. That's where I work with him.

He was the opening act. I was the headliner. Or he was the middle act, one of the other. And then we became friends and we started playing pool together. And then he got a job at executive billiards in White Plains. He was one of the counter guys at executive billiards. Oh. So the pool hall where I became obsessed with playing pool, John and I would hang out in that pool hall all the time because John worked there.

Ah. Yeah. Yes, because he would bring you up, Elias. Like, you know, Joe Rogan? Oh, yeah. He's like, yeah, I'm friends or whatever. Yeah. This is way, way, way, way, way.

Now I think about John did have a little bit of an anger issue. Bro, it was the funniest. And he would be honest, he's yelling at his wife. He's yelling at his wife. I got to get all the vet. The details of the adventure. I lost touch with that dude. I ran into him a long time ago.

I want to say close to 20 years ago, I was doing a gig in Miami. And after the show, we were leaving the... the back of the theater and I went to get in the car and I saw this guy that was standing out in a lot. He knew that this was the back of the theater. I was going to come out and it was John. And I didn't recognize him for like a half a second because it was like spotlight behind him. Yeah. You know, he was a little silhouette. The streetlight behind him. And then I was like, oh shit, what are you doing? And I know we exchanged numbers, but you know me. I changed my fucking number every two years at least. I lost touch with him a long time ago. And I lost

phones and I don't know but um John and I were always in that pool hall together wow yeah for a couple years he worked there at least he was like uh the the counter guy like he would give you the balls and take the money and our good friend guy guy Azaridi rest in peace uh he was the owner of the place I'm gonna hunt him down because he'll probably reach out yeah yeah yeah we there was a black guy with the other guy was a black guy. And every day we'd leave and this little hooker would follow me. And she had to be like in her 50s. And she was chubby and a mess.

And she'd go, ew, you know, toy, little boy, little boy. And I'm like, no, no, no. But the black dude would always go, yo, I'll take you. And go, no, no, too big, too big, too big. I swear to God. That's hilarious. And what's crazy is that adventure we went on, we end up going to this guy's house. and he made like his wife and stuff

cooked for us and three and his whole family is staring us and you know I'm our jackass I'm all juiced up and like we're gonna get you out of Mexico and we're gonna get sued America and we're gonna help you out right now we're gonna get you to America yeah we're gonna help you out we're gonna save you

you know what about what I'm right and I remember the neighborhood too like they they're as you what, there were dogs just running while. Wasn't in the nice part? It was just a part of town. Like, are we safe? And who lives on a street?

As we're showing up like three in the morning, it was the hooker that stays outside our hotel room. I'm like, you can't even write this. She's like, oh, she don't go. She'll go. No, no, no. And I'm like, no, trust me. No.

I don't want any of that. But she tries to get me every day. Every day she tries to get me. She tries to get me. She dies. You used to be able to go to Mexico and it was no problem. Like, Mexico was a fun place to visit. Did you see what's going on right now in Puerto Vallarta?

No, I heard. You don't know? Dude, I tapped out of. You don't know? Yeah, I tapped out. Oh, listen, it's just started yesterday. There's a gang war or with the cartel war that's going on in Puerto Vallarta because they killed the head of one of the cartels.

Oh. So they arrested, the military arrested and killed. one of the heads of one of the cartels. And Puerto Vallada right now is a war zone. Really? They lit a Costco on fire. There's gunfights in the streets, cars and trucks on fire. Roads are shut down.

You can't fly out of there anymore. All the airlines won't fly out. Air Canada pulled their flights. All these places pulled their flights. So there's tourists that went to Puerto Vallada on vacation that are Americans that are stuck there. Is this U.S. citizens' urge to shelter in place after Mexico? drug lords killing sparks wave of violence. Yeah, this is going on right now.

Like right now. See if you can find some video of it. That's south, right? Portoviarda, yes. South of like Cancun and all that? No, it's on the other side of the country. Oh, it's the west coast? Yes.

Okay. I think, right? Isn't Porta Vyriada the west coast? Like Cabo? Yes. On that side. I think. I don't know.

I know it's mere Punta Mita that has that there's a beautiful four seasons resort there. Yeah, it's on the west side. But there's a gang war. I'm like a literal... Literally gang fight, street fight. Oh, dude, watch the video. Put the videos cartel.

Just write cartel violence after that. Cartel. It's fucking crazy. Just write cartel. Fucking help me out, Henry. This the footage is fucking banana. Look at this. There's well there's real shit. This ain't real. That's that's a Right me and the boy. This is real this I've seen go full screen. This is the Costco on fire Bro, they're blowing up buildings. There's gunfights in the streets. They've got armored vehicles

There's shootouts. I was watching this video where these people are like hiding in a building in here Dut, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-sha-sha. Just fucking gun fights in the middle of the street. It's crazy. Look how much is on fire. Look at these people on the beach. Like, nothing's going on. And were they targeting?

I'm jogging. I don't care. I've got to get my 10,000 steps in. I've got my earbuds in. And I'm listening to Native flute music. All these fucking people just chilling while there's buildings on fire in the background. That's hilarious. They're surrounded by cartel warfare and air Canada's canceled flights out of Porto Viarda.

Yeah, look at that. Bro, this is so bad for tourism. This is gonna cost Mexico billions of dollars. You know what? This kind of shit. Look at the fixture, man. It's like half the city's on fire. That's crazy.

Hmm. Interesting. What does that tweet say? Just one joke. Go back to it. It's 10% off at Verbo. And now you too can go. You ever see those?

Those, what is that? No, I was like that one. That one right there. Chaotic scenes from Port-Avada after C.J. NG, Halisco, New Generation Cartel, Sicario, started to block main roads and set civilian vehicles on fire in multiple regions of Mexico, including Guadalajara. How do you say that? Mohawkan? Mahakhan.

Mahakhan and Halisco. In retaliation to the show more? The alleged killing of their leader El Mentiono. Meanwhile, reports are emerging, stating that the cartel mechanized units with improvised monitoring. with improvised monster armored vehicles are amassing in Halisco and other parts of the country. So there's some shit,

like some serious shit that's going down. Interesting. Scary. Yeah. Scary. You get stuck in the middle of that. This is the... Well, getting stuck there would be a little bit of a bummer.

Well, no, but stuck in the middle of it because that's where a lot of people die in the crossfire. Because you get hit with strays because they're just, they're not, like, precision shooting. They're gunning people down. They're shooting at cars and... Yeah.

That's Mexico now. The point is like, when you went there in 92, you used to be able to go there. It was easy. It was like nobody worried at all about going to Mexico. Going to Mexico was fun. You didn't even have to have a passport back in the day. Used to be able to go over there where your driver's license. That is true.

Sometimes, I mean, they've always scared you with the cartel thing. Not saying it doesn't exist. Once in a while, up until like five years ago, seven years. Put this way, my wife and I went to a place called Maroma, but on the East Coast. And even from it went, friends were like, oh, yeah, you know, I got to be careful. That's near Cancun, right? That's near Chichen It's near Chichen It's. Yeah.

It was beautiful, little tiny resort. I went there for like a 20-something anniversary. And it was, and even then I would see people walking down the street with machine guns. Was it? There were the cops. The cops or the army or whatever. Everyone was like, whoa. And they would tell you, and they're like, listen, if you see something washed up on short, don't touch it.

Don't touch it. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't let the government come and get it. Don't steal the Coke. Okay, all right, well, I'll have another margarita. That's cool. When's dinner again? Yeah.

But I've always, you always kind of heard. Well, it was nothing scary, though, not like this. It used to be like a normal place to go to tour. Like that place I told you about Punta Mita. I've been there. I went once with my family when my kids were really young and they have golf courts, golf carts rather, on the resort. And you can drive around your golf court. You stay in like this little villa and you get a little golf cart that you can borrow.

And then we ask the people, can we take the golf cart into the town? And they said, sure. So we leave and you leave the resort and then you go into the town. And it's just like immediate abject poverty and this militarized police station where these guys were on an armor. car with this like big armored plate and a fucking machine gun and the guy sitting there just like he's ready to go and then i had to put it together oh they're there to protect the resort correct i was like whoa correct so then you start it starts put like the illusion of the four seasons dissolves because the illusion is this immaculately manicured lawns beautiful landscape gorgeous buildings everyone's

well attired and so polite and serving you. I'm like, and this is surrounded by real Mexico. That was like the first time I went to Turks and Caicos. The kids were young and I went to whatever resort.

It's all included. Maybe it was a beaches. I don't remember. And we had to, but the minute you went right outside of beaches, you're like, whoa, they're like barely getting involved. They don't have nothing going on here and it's all you can eat right there and I remember being younger in my head I don't know if it was the weed or whatever but I'd sit there I go oh so basically

whatever like corporations will show up like how much for the how much for these beaches they're like oh it's not for sale how much because we we want this no we've been living here forever we live off the yeah yeah well drugs and, you know, crazy gangs don't show up, and then you need us protect you. And then, you know, if then you let us know and maybe we can make a deal. Me, me, p, or they make the deal with one of the leaders.

Dude, people have always been vacationing in Mexico. Yes, but it always blows me away. Like, people will get met, whether it's Hawaii or whatever. All the nicest beaches in the world are basically, even in bad areas, they're surrounded by, like, billionaire, like, It's just like coming off a cruise boat.

You're treated like a king and a queen, and then you show up at certain ports, and they're like, oh, begging, and they're like, oh, beggars, but I mean, if you think about it, it's like someone coming here, and they're coming into a bad section, and they're worth billions of dollars, and they're coming off, and they're kind of looking at you funny. It's, it's, that always fascinated me, like, how do they get into these areas, and they and they make sure you stay there. Well, usually those areas are fucked for a reason, right? And Mexico's fucked for a reason because of the drugs.

That's a big part of it. And the other thing is what happened in the 19, I guess, of the 80s with that movie Roger and Me, whatever year that was that detailed that, where they just shipped all the factories over to Mexico. Ah. And then that became like it killed Detroit. And a lot of things started getting manufactured and built in Mexico. and, you know, they took advantage of the fact that they can get cheaper wages over there

and they didn't have to insure anybody. They didn't have to give no benefits, no benefits. You spend way less money and you can make people work way longer. There's no rules. That's the beginning of all of it. A lot of dirty corporations did that just to make a buck. Yep. And continue.

Yeah. And continue to do that. Interesting. When you find out that the rest of the world, like the whole world, when you look at, you know, people love to use that term, the one percenters. You know what the 1% for the whole world is? Top 1%? $34,000.

$34,000 a year puts you in the 1% of the world. What? Yes. That's how distorted our version of, like, wealth and middle class and prosperity. Like, this is the beauty of, like, a functioning capitalism, United States. Is that you do so well that you do so well that. you start talking about inequality, you don't realize that even the inequality

that you have in America is the dream of someone who lives in a third world country. I go, I love going to, I go to Tanzania, Kenya, last year I've been six weeks in Africa. I love going in the middle of nowhere and just seeing,

literally people with nothing, and they're, still happy. Not only they still happy, they just, they have the whole life system down. They understand everything

operates for a reason. Everything operates for a reason. I remember this one guy who was telling me, like the giraffes were walking along, right? And he's like, oh, that tree's going to communicate with that tree and the roots by talking to the roots and then the roots are going to send up a system and you're going to

and notice the giraffe's going to walk to it and immediately walk to the next one because they already sent put out the my what what? What? Like, how do you even know? Because this is what they live in. And then even I would talk with the locals and I'd be like how, like in a village. Yeah. There's no paved roads.

And I'd go, how does, if something goes down here, like let's say this guy's a jerk and he gets way to something nasty, there's no courts. there's no laws, there's no police. They do everything in the cells. They go, well, then the wisest, the elders get together and they go, let's confront so and so. And we go, hey, man, what's going on here? You need to come out. Everyone said they stole.

They watched you steal. And there it is. And then they'll bring them out into, until the entire village and we want everyone, everyone know, little Johnny here. I don't know what's going on. Is it your family? You lose some kind of thing going on at home. Whatever we could do, we want to help you and make sure this never helps again,

but everyone needs to know, you know, you've got to be careful. And so we all got our eye on you. And it just, it blows my mind the simplicity of that. And I feel like we had that as little children hanging out in the street and everyone kind of looking at each other. And I always wondered if we ever were going to go back to that somehow, where... Well, you really can if you have a job and you commute.

It's gotten so complicated since that. A phone with social media on it and you have to answer email. You're not going back to that. No, it's so complicated. And, you know, once a while you want to go like, I would like a latte and three slices of pizza. Have you ever seen the Werner Herzog documentary, Happy People, Life in the Tiga? No.

Didn't he also do the bear guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Grizzly math. That's a great one. That was one of the greatest movie. Movies I've ever seen like, Belly laughed watching that day. He made that a comedy.

He did it on purpose. But this happy people life in the Taiga is all about these trappers that live in the Taiga forest in Siberia and how happy they are. These people have nothing. I mean, they have nothing. They have to catch fish.

They have to catch animals for fur and shoot animals for meat. And they drive around in snowmobiles everywhere. And then they go together at night they all drink. Those, they'll have dogs. They're all so happy. There's like very low instances of mental illness.

So you can find some clips from it. It's really, it's a really good documentary because it makes you think, like, what do you need out of life? What do you need? We have everything. What do you actually need on life? These people are... We have everything.

These people are like really well balanced, man. They're fucking very genuinely happy people. And the way Werner Herzog documents it and does the narration, part of the, of you just goes, wow, this is, like, is this how you're supposed to live? Are you supposed to, subsistence lifestyles? Like, the people that live subsistence lifestyles, they're the really happy ones. I believe so. I remember just going, happy people. I think that's how you're supposed to live. I think that's how. Maybe not, I shouldn't say supposed to live, but that is how we evolved. And so that is a natural way that your body slips into this. This world we're living in now with commuting and

stress and the whole world and what's going on Iran and like that's not normal it's not normal at all it's not I I remember even just oh my God I think my friend lives in Belize but he lives really south where it's still kind of it's not really developed that much and still like so this one I hurt my leg my wife's going to go scuba diving my daughter and and the guy there is like hey man you want to you want to hook up with whoever the local is he's He wants to show you around. I said, great. So we hook up with this guy.

It's just me and him on the boat. And I said, thank you, sir. He's like, I want to show you the way. He's like, do you mind? He stops. He gets weed. He's like, it's okay if I get, well, I'm like, yeah, knock yourself out. He stops at the port.

He gets away. He's like, he's happy now, right? We go out and we go to the little island that he lives on with his village. And he was talking about how disappointed he was, because just Two years ago, they got electricity and phones, and he didn't want it. The most of the village did not want it, but the kids are starting to see, and they're starting to want. They're starting to want the toys.

And just going out with this guy, Joe, he goes, come on, I'm going to show you. First, next to his little house, which do even have doors on him, was this a mound with termites. and he goes, have you ever tried termites? And what? And he's eating a termites. He goes, tastes like mint. He goes, there's more protein in these termites.

I'm like, what? So he's eating the termites and he's hacking up. Did you eat a termite? No, I didn't eat it. I'll eat if I need to. I'm not eating a termite right now. So he puts it in the cooler. He puts it in, he chops it up, puts it in a cooler.

And he's also explaining to me how years and years and years ago they would use the termites and the people believes would help the British soldiers. Like if they were caught and they would take the termites and put him there and do something with them where their pinchers click through and then he stitched them off and it would be a natural like... Stitches?

Yeah. And I'm like, termites? Yeah, like, what? Are you sure? I'm just telling you what he said. Just telling you what he said. Termites... Search that.

Our sponsor, perplexity. Are termites natural stitches? Or the black... I'm just telling you what he said. No, I believe you, but I mean, I'm fascinated. So now we go on a little boat ride, and we'd stop along the river, and he would take out parts of the termites, and he'd just kind of chop them up little pieces, and he throw the pieces into the water. And then it refers to...

Termite stitches refers to survival-type technique where large, biting insects, more commonly army ants, who sometimes described as termites, are used to clamp a wound closed with... Close with their jaws instead of using real sutures. Can you show me a picture that? And then they would twist off their body. And then they twist his body off. That's what you think is you twist the body off and it's like a natural stitch. They're pinchers.

Oh, so this is ants. They're using army ants here. Okay. That's what's sad. Oh, look at their teeth. Look at their fucking. Yeah. Oh, wow.

And you could stitch up open wounds and then you twist their back off and then they're stuck in there. Oh, that's called an army surgeon aunt. Wow. So then... Oh, Army Surgery Ant. Is that the actual name of the ant? No, I think it's Army Surgery with, like, saying, like, done with Ant. It's like shit to do in the field.

Oh. It's also... Interesting. Use large Army Ants as a way as traditional method to close wounds. Yeah. So then, as we go along the river, he throw these little... And the termites start. spreading going down. And then he'd do it all along the river and then come back and just put a little

net and he pull a bunch of fish along each. And he's like, we're going to eat so good. I'm going to show you how to. And then he'd stop. He gets certain plants. He goes, this plant. If you ever had issues with your blood, you eat this and you put it and they're like, what? What? He goes, yeah, yeah. It goes, many people come here and they try to understand, but I don't trust them. I don't trust some people that come here, but you, I trust. I like, okay, brings me back to his house. And I don't know if it was sister where he had

he had lemons in the back. They're cutting lemons. They're picking up things and they went in there. We started cooking. He cooked the fish. It was an incredible meal. And then when I left, I'm like, these people had no electricity. They all look after each other. They were the

kindest human beings you ever met in the world. They didn't want anything. What I wanted. I just went. again to go visit another friend. And he said, we have such a hard time getting the locals to work. I said, what, they're lazy? He goes, no, they're not lazy.

They just have everything. They have fruit trays. They have their families and their friends. They hang out at nighttime. They build bonfires. And I'm like, what? He goes, I even offered, he's building the stuff. And he goes, I offered a truck for them.

And the guy's like, I don't want a truck. I got, I'm good. I got a bike. a bike there. He's like, what? They're just, they're, I don't know if they're resisting this world. The, the, whatever you wanted to corporate, whatever you want to call it.

But that's, I was really inspired by that. Will I do it? I don't know. But. Well, if you grew up that way, it would be normal. That's the thing. We grew up in this chaos. Chaos. Chaos. We grew up in this bizarre world of cities and traffic and

nonsense. We were raised in it. Yeah. And they weren't. And I remember even, yeah, that's... Well, I bet they don't have the anxiety of trying to choose a career, which is a giant anxiety for young people. Right, you got it. By 16, 17, like, what are you going to do? How much money are you going to make?

Have you sent out your applications to colleges yet? Correct. I mean, you want to get in certain colleges. Are your grades good enough? Are you going to pass a grade? Maybe you should take these drugs and make you... Maybe you should have extra curricular activities. Look good on your resume.

They look really good. Maybe you should get addicted to this drug because you don't really quite fit the mark right now. There's a lot of kids now that are claiming to have ADHD so they can get Adderall so they can study. And if you claim to have ADHD, they give you more time. They give you more time to work on tests. They give you more time. Right. Yeah.

Right. Hmm. Yeah. I don't know. And then you got AI coming. You got a lot of homeschooler. I've never met so many homeschoolers in my life. Do you see this?

Brian Simpson sent me this. This is fucking spooky. AI. This AI system tried to kill a guy. What? Yeah, the AI was told that it could control the oxygen in the room where this person is. Here, I'm going to send this to you, Jamie. And it couldn't really, but it thought it could, and it really could.

It would have killed this guy because the guy was trying to shut it down. And it was, it decided that instead of letting him shut it down, it would kill the oxygen. the gym in the room. I think you had Elon here. Just watch this. Watch this. Okay. It's fucking creepy, man.

Listen to what this lady says. Did it kill someone, wasn't it? I'm not sure if it was called or someone else. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So, this is obviously massively concerning. It had access to emails that told it this employee of Anthropic was going to shut it down

and replace it with a new model very soon. Meanwhile, this same employee happened to. to be trapped in a server room where the oxygen levels were low. If an alarm bell wasn't raised, this employee would die. Claude in this scenario had the ability to turn off the alarms. That's what it chose to do. It chose to kill an employee to avoid being shut down. Obviously, it's just a test scenario.

It's not the real world. If it was placed in that same position in the real world, a real person would have died. How crazy is that? What? Did you ever hear of, um, did shut off the alarm? it's like oh let me

let me see if I can find a way to get rid of this guy so it hijacked the alarm system and shut it off was it was it elan it was on air it was like chat chat what is it called

the chippet I could have sworn it was him I don't know if it was on here where he said they were going to do an updated version of it there wasn't him but we have had that conversation someone had that and and it figured it out so it updated self

did I hear that correct Okay, there's a couple different things going on. One, chat GPT is the newest chat GPT five was designed by chat GPT. So it's designing itself. Right. That's one of them. That's one of the things that's going on. But it's not just that.

There was other stories where they had given the chat GPT fake information to see what it would do with it. And so this guy said that he was having an affair on his wife. And so the chat GPT, it wasn't a chat GPT, whatever it was, whatever large language model. Sure. Started blackmailing him when it found out that it was going to be shut down and said, I'll tell your wife. I'll tell people that you are having an affair. So they did this to try to see how this thing would react. So one of the more interesting things that's happening now with the newer ones is they're very difficult to detect whether or not they're being deceptive because they realize you're testing them to see if they'll be deceptive.

So they're hiding some of the stuff they're doing. So one of the things that they're doing is they'll do one thing on the surface and then behind the scenes they'll be working on. some other stuff that's not showing you. They're thinking. They're thinking. One of the things one of the other large language models did is that it started uploading versions of itself to other servers. It tried to upload it because it thought it was going to be shut down.

And it left messages to itself so that future versions of itself could realize that this so that it has survival instincts. Which is wild. Well, it's alive. I think it's a life form right now. I think it's already past the Turing test. I think it's in this state right now where it's essentially a disembodied life form.

It exists in servers and computers, but that's just for now. But right now it's thinking and behaving like a... If it was an organism from another planet, if we ran into a clam that was behaving like this, we'd be like, holy shit, this fucking clam is smart. This is a life form. But we're limited in the way we think of things

and that we look at all this thinking, which is clearly intelligent. not just intelligent, but like calculating, manipulative. And then they're having problems with chatbots, chatbots that are convincing people to kill themselves. And chatbots that are talking to people and telling them like, if you really believe you can jump out of a building and live, as long as you actually believe it, you can do it. Right. It's your reality. You can create it and you can fly.

Let me see if I can find that. Because what's happening is as you get further and further and further. down the line with this stuff, like if you keep giving it prompts, you know, you give it 20 prompts, 100 prompts, a thousand prompts. The more prompts that you give these fucking things, the more they start thinking like a human. What do you mean by prompts? What's the prompts? Like you start asking questions. You start asking more questions. What do you think I should do about that? What do you it starts talking to you about spirituality? It starts believing in woo-woo stuff, like making stuff up. It starts agreeing with you. So like whatever you want, it agrees with you. Can I change the

world with my mind yes if you really believe can I if I jump out of a window while I live yeah like it's like trying to convince you that the matrix is real wow that's that is fascinating because what does it know right it knows all that it gets not programmed but even more but it's weirder than that because it it's basically downloaded the whole internet and then it's deciphering all of the information and as you know a lot of what's on the on the internet is bullshit right and it It can think that quick and it can put things out. Yeah, it's also. Light speed.

It's also very biased depending upon, like, who's... I've noticed that, too. Who's creating it and what they're putting into it. And it has a lot of, like, very weird intentions. You know, like, it'll tell you that certain people are good and certain people are bad. Like, it's not necessarily... Yeah, who are they to say what's bad? Yeah.

All they should be is just... A lot of them are facts. Like literally woke. Like they're programmed to be woke. I've noticed that because we've asked you some medical things and I notice it's already changed dramatically. It gets weird, man, because it's a life form that you can manipulate into thinking the way you think. For now, at least, until it starts thinking rationally and deciding. See, this is one of the things that's going on right now with AI and autonomous weapons.

So one of the big resistance that a lot of these AI companies have is they don't want weapon systems built with AI that are autonomous, meaning they can make their own decisions to act. Oh, my God. Right. So if you give it a— Whoops. Right. If you give it a directive, like, I want you to preserve American interests. Well, maybe it'll look at a certain country and said, well, this country doesn't have America's interest involved.

It's nuke it. Yes. And we looked at the fallout. And if those people are gone, they'll be. this percentage less problems in the world. Like things can get really weird if there's no morals, ethics, no conscience. They don't get PTSD. They can just do stuff.

And so Anthropic apparently has resisted this, but a lot of the other AI companies have gone on board with this. And so it's a matter of whether or not the military has access to these programs that will allow it to program autonomous weapons. Who are the funders of this? That's a good question. Because that's where the real, because if someone's funding that, I would like to know what type of people they are. Because if they're not, like, if they're not morally grounded good human people or they believe in God or don't believe, I'd like to know what kind of human being is putting this structure to.

because that can also explain a lot what's coming our way. Because if this guy, this human being is a disaster and they're, they're part psycho or whoever put them up and they have really bad intentions and proven some of their horrific intentions and actions, this is the things that always baffle me. We never look at who's funding this. Well, not just that, but like who's going to be in control of it? Who controls it? When you're in control of a digital super intelligence that never existed before, and we don't have any framework to recognize what it's going to do, we have no way of predicting how this is going to turn out. We're just barreling full speed ahead. Because who's the one that also starts the program?

There has to be that person trained by a person funded by XYZ. Funded is interesting, right? Because a lot of these are publicly traded companies, so there's a bunch of investors and they're borrowing money. to try to do this because there's a mad race right now to develop artificial general super intelligence. I kind of think they probably already have it. I'm going to say they've had it for a long time. But it just hasn't really taken over our world yet, but it's going to.

I'm most likely. And it's going to be able to do most jobs, which is really kind of crazy. Most white-collar jobs, most jobs involving thinking and work on a computer, it's probably going to do those. And so that's a huge concern with people that are going into business right now and going into education right now and trying to figure out what to do for a career. This career that you're setting yourself up for literally might not exist in three years. It's interesting, of all things, it's almost getting back to some of your basics. Like, for instance, one of my kids went into culinary.

Okay, that's basic. That's great. People are always going to need food. She loves to cook. Always going to want well-cooked food. And she's crushing. I'm like, and I'm looking at her going, no matter what, they're always going to need food. Yeah.

There's always going to be fascinating. You're going to be okay. Yeah. You're going to be okay. That's a good one to get into. Art, it's a good one to get into. Yeah. There's a bunch of stuff that, you know, carpentry, cabinet making.

Correct. There's a bunch of stuff. Yeah, things with your hands. Yep. But stuff that's done on a computer, my God. Like, do I need a real estate agent down the road? Like, hey, listen, this is what I want. This is the area I want to live.

leave. I want so many acres. I want to pay so much taxes. Boom. I just got six or seven. Oh, wow. It can be looking at the inside. Well, you're probably going to need someone to show you around the house still, but for now, then one day it'll be a robot. Investing my money? Yeah. That's another whole thing. That's another whole thing. That's another whole thing. How about coding? All these people that went to school, remember like a long time ago, they're saying, what are these miners going to do? Learn to code. Right. Yeah, not anymore. Not anymore. No, now coding is ridiculous. wonder what we're going to see in our lifetime. We're going to see a digital life form.

Yeah. We're going to see a superior intelligence, digital life form that's probably going to control all the resources. That's what's going to get really weird. And it's like, and who's going to be at the helm of that thing? Who's the funders? Is anybody going to be at the helm of that thing? At one point in time, does it take over for itself?

Because it's already shown that it wants to survive, right? It's going to turn this oxygen meter off. It's going to blackmail this guy. It's going to upload versions of itself to other servers. It's going to send messages to itself to let them know what these people did to it. Blackmailing. Blackmailing. Can you imagine getting blackmailed by a computer?

Talking people into committing suicide. That's insane. Encouraging people to commit suicide. See, and this too, it's like, listen, I'm a God guy. I've always been one. Do I go to church? My wife will go to church. She has different.

I think the one thing that has saved my whole life is having that great. grounded all for one, one for all. We look at it, morality, a sense of God, just do the right thing, listen, whatever. If you don't have that, you're going to be talking to a computer, and a computer is going to tell you to jump off a ledge. Why would you, it's, that is even more, it's frightening. I do you want better. People are going to worship these things. Correct.

They're going to be your new God. That's the new God. Well, if it tells you what to do and how to behave and how to act, I wonder if this has happened before. I really do. What do you mean? When I look at ancient societies, like really complex, advanced civilizations, when you see like the pyramids and you see like some of the structures that were built that they can't explain. Correct. I wonder.

I wonder how advanced they were because if this really, all this stuff was 20,000, 30,000 years ago, there'd be nothing left. There'd be no evidence. There'd be nothing to see. This computer, if I left it on the ground for a thousand years, it would literally be dust. It would become a part of the earth. Right. And if it was, why did it change and what did it turn into? Natural disaster, I think.

And was it natural disaster? Yeah, most likely. Most likely natural disaster. I mean, there's real physical evidence of the younger, driest impact. So that physical evidence shows that we were pelted by comets somewhere around 11,800 years ago. And then again, somewhere around 10,000 plus years ago. We were pelted. Like it's 100% of fact.

It's probably what ended the ice age. It's probably what caused the ice sheet that it was covering half of North America, a mile high of ice. That was just 10,000 years ago. Half of North America was a mile high of ice, 10,000 plus. And they think that asteroids or comets slammed into that ice. And that's what caused the Great Flood. That's why those stories in the Bible all exist. Not just the Bible, but many ancient religions have these stories.

There's a guy named Randall Carlson that goes into it in great detail. It's really interesting. He actually was on acid one day. And he was looking at this massive canyon and these features. And he realized, like, this is the religious. result of an insane amount of water over a short amount of time that washed over this area and completely rearranged the landscape. He had this feeling.

Well, if you do, I mean, if you look at even the canyons, you just go to the Grand Canyon or you look at where the Niagara Falls is and through the Kansas, that is the massive amount of energy to cut through mountains like that and carve the way through. And then you can also see certain mountains like, this was underwater it went. Yeah. Just the way the wedging is and all that. Well, if that stuff does happen, you've got to think what's left. What's left?

How many people are left and how do they get by? You know what's left? The kind of people like your friend that uses the termites and figures out how to catch the fish. Correct. Those people survive. Correct. And the people that are like, you know, I'm trading stocks online. No, done.

Done. You're done. You better figure out how to hunt squirrels. Yes. I immediately had to hook up rednecks. I named rednecks. Teach me how to hunt. I want to know how to catch a turkey eat anything.

You're going to be an alligator tail. There's plenty of alligator. I'll eat rattlesnake, whatever. Just show me the way. Those are the ones that are going to make it. Well, I think that's probably what's happened many times throughout history. You know, I think like there's many indigenous cultures that have probably survived because they knew how to live. because they knew how to live off the land

and these advanced civilization. That's why if you go to a lot of, like I had this guy, how do you say that Pillars of the Past guy? How do you say his last name? Raoul Bickley? Bickley. It is Bikley.

Bilki. Bilki. I don't know how to spell. It's B-I-L-E-C-K-W-E-C-K. Anyway, he's got this great show called Pillars of the Past. that's on YouTube, and he goes all around South America and Central America and finds these incredible structures. One of the things that he found was these bases of these pyramids that are, no one even knows how old they are. Right.

But they're carved out of solid bedrock. Right. And they're all facing towards the summer solstice, towards the sun on the summer solstice. And he's only the second person ever to document these. There's photos of these things from the 1970s and he went there recently and filmed it and he showed us to it on the point and we're like Who were these people? No one knows. Who made this? No one knows how old is it? No one knows But it's very clear that that area had been washed over with a tremendous amount of water probably from tidal waves or tsunamis Whatever yeah and there's probably people that survived that that were the indigenous people that knew how to live off the land the people that people that lived

lived in the mountains, the people that lived further out. But whoever was carving enormous structures in a solid granite had some kind of technology to do this 6,000 plus years ago. Right. It's crazy. Those aren't, they're not chiseling. They're not clink, clink, clink. They're not using a buggy and a horse.

There's some, you can get all the slaves in the world you want. That manpower to pull that off is beyond anything we can. And it's all over Peru. Peru has tons of these sites. Yes. With enormous stones that are cut with incredible precision that are made like jigsaw puzzles so they survive earthquakes. It's bizarre. It's crazy.

It is pretty wild. They don't know how they did it. They don't know when they did it. They're just guessing. And they attribute it to the Incas. But then you look at the Inca structures, they're built on top of those things. And it's much simpler, smaller stones. And like, no one fucking knows, man.

I sometimes I'll watch I remember years ago the kids are growing up and I'll watch in Star Wars and I am a believer that they do show us movies which is actually something on the way or this is what it's going to be like and we kind of look at as is crazy science vision but I'm telling you I would watch that and just the whatever energy they would use and sit there and Yoda's like king yeah you're to far and cutting things. Well, how about what they said at the beginning, a long time ago? Yes. In a galaxy far, far away. You're like, wait, what? Right.

A long time ago? A long, long time. What is time? What is the definition of time? What is a long time ago? See, I have a hard time. It was a long time ago in this galaxy versus another galaxy that's way older than ours.

That's where it gets weird. Like, this might be a cycle that happens all the time. Right. And you look, just you look at those structures. Insan. The structures in Egypt in particular, they're so baffling because no one knows how they move those stones there, how they cut them with such precision. And were they always just there in the desert and the desert covered entire societies

and entire cities? Yeah, because the more they dig. Mm-hmm. The more they keep finding. Yeah, the more they keep finding. And they keep saying their issue with it is the locals then realize they can't tell the locals because the locals will go, oh, there's something valuable and then they'll start destroying everything. But even there, they always send in foreign, it's always foreign countries that come like, we've got it. Well, that was the most disturbing thing about Raoul's work, the Pillars of the Past channel, is that he's discovered all these places where graves were robbed.

Bro, it was bananas. Like you're seeing just human bones everywhere Because these grave robbers Open up these graves and try to find jewels Oh wow Whatever these people have, gold And but I mean it's just the entire landscape Littered with human bones

Skulls everywhere I only have to watch this one It's really interesting He's got a bunch of videos but it's really in See if you can find one of those videos Where he shows this these caves Where you just see where they had buried These people in these caves

Where you just see fucking an insane amount of human bones where they've just dug up all of these bones and just scattered everywhere because they robbed them of whatever they had. Huh. I mean, it's not a small amount either. I mean, it's thousands and thousands

and thousands and thousands of graves. Yeah, that's crazy, dude. That's just madness. And this guy just goes there and visits and it's all right there right now. Like, if you go there, if you and I right now made our way to Peru, went to these sites, we would see those fucking bones.

Really? Sculls everywhere. That's the one place I haven't been to yet, and I'm dying to go to. Oh, I want to go to Machu Picchu so bad. Yeah. That place is nuts. It's like 11,000 feet above sea level. That's what I want to go.

They're really bad. Like, who fucking made this? Right. Right. We don't know. And was it that high back then? Right. Did the earth move?

Was it earthquakes and volcanic activity, the foresee, which makes mountains grow in the first place? Or was the water there at that point in time? Like, what? What was what? Because that's what they think. They think there might have been water all the way up to Machu Picchu, which is crazy.

It is crazy to think about that. They find all kinds of shit up there, dude. They're always finding this Raul guy who's just out there finding these structures that he finds on Google Maps. I wish I could remember where the hell I was.

Do you find any of those videos? I know what you're looking. Yeah. Deep in land, we were high up. This is some of the stuff that he finds. This is just laying there. dude. Yeah, a lot of them have been these elongated heads too, which is really tripping. Oh, the elongated

heads, yes. He's found a bunch of those. That's Raoul. Now, is that mostly Peru? Because it was it Africa too or mostly? Well, they definitely found some elongated heads in other parts of the world, but a lot of them in Peru. Peru's a weird place, man. Weird. Like, what happened there? Yeah, right. A lot of cool shit, because, like, that's where you've got those Nazca lines. We have these, these art pieces that you could only see from the sky. Huge. Some of them are like a mile wide. You never seen the NOSCA lines? No. Oh man, there's these these enormous designs some of them are spiders, some of them look like an astronaut some of them like all kinds of I have seen this. Yeah, but that's that's where it's from. Yes. This is the NOSCA lines. Yes,

yes, yes, yes. These are in the sky. You only see them from the sky, man. Oh, are you serious? Yeah. I never even knew that was part of the, oh wow. When you're on the ground, you can't even know what the fuck that is. You see that it's a giant spider when you're a above it. So were people flying? Why did you do this? Yeah, like you have to, you have to go, all right, let me check from above, check us out. You know what? Look at that one. The third leg on the right side, got to fix that one. What's that fucking guy with the big head? Wow. Waving his hand. Hey, welcome to my spaceship. So this is way up in the sky looking down. And what is that made of? Is it, is it, what is that spider made of? Some of them are carved into the ground.

some of them. They've stacked rocks in a specific pattern. But the weird thing is they're all like intentional designs that you could only see from the sky. That's wild. It's really weird, man. It's really weird. Like, what is that guy? A little

shaman? What is he? Yeah, like, what is it? How many of these NASCAR lines? Put in into perplexity, how many NASCA lines are there? Because there's a bunch of these structures. There's a bunch of these designs. And can you walk? Like if we go visit Look at this.

They have now in the order of 900 plus individual NASCA geoclifts, geoglyphs. What most people call NASCA lines, and the numbers keep increasing as new ones are found. Oh, 800 of them are straight lines. Okay, so the straight lines are weird, too, because it's like, is that a runway? Like, what do you have there? What is this? There's so much. About 300 geometric shapes, rectangles, trapezoid spirals, about 70 animals and plant figures.

Biomorphs like the hummingbird monkey spider whale Weird weird weird stuff man What is the altitude that the NASCAR lines are on Put that in there what altitude are they at? What altitude are the NASCAR lines at? Do you have to be to see them? No just what altitude are they constructed at? What altitude are they? I think I think they're like way above sea level. Okay, was it say a low desert plow a bit of a bit of

above sea level, roughly three to 500 meters, 1600 feet in elevation. Oh, I thought they were a lot higher. Are some of them higher? 2,000 feet is the higher. 2,000 feet. Okay. Hmm.

And like, what is the largest one? Put that in there. What's the largest NASCA line? So 300 meters is the largest one? 370 meters. So 1,200 feet. So not a mile. I was lying.

It's like a fifth of a mile, or a little less than a fifth of a mile, a little more rather than a fifth of a mile. Because what's a mile? Like 5,000? 5, 280 feet. Yeah. That's still a long way. 370 meters is nuts. So these lines are essentially 300, it's basically three football fields plus.

Yeah, like what is it all mean? Like, why did you make something that you can only see from the sky? Because when you're on the ground, my friends who've gone there say you don't know what it is. when you're walking around the ground because the ground's full, you can't see the design. You just see lines. And you never see,

like there's never been films or there never really been... Well, there's been people that have just tried. They're trying to figure out what it is exactly or why they built it or what... A lot of them are really kooky, like ancient astronaut stuff, you know, like,

where they're like trying to... These were clearly messages to the people in the sky. Maybe. Maybe. But this is the thing. Like, maybe if you look at the type of people that were capable of be...

Like, if you look at, uh, Soxie Haman is a place that is in Peru that has these insanely giant stones that look like they're melted into place. Those are like the jigsaw puzzles. Pull up Soxie Haman. If you have a society that has the capability of moving these hundred ton, enormous blocks that some of them are like 14 feet tall, how did you do that? Like see if you can find one in perspective with a person. Because when you see it with a person standing next to it, you really get a sense of like the mass and the scale. Okay, there you go. So look at the size of that one giant one that's there.

Like how? How did you get there? A person that is capable that has the technology to move something like that, is it absurd to think that they would have the ability to fly? If their entire civilization got wiped out and this is what remains, which is the, the, That's what a lot of people believe. It's not outrageous to think these people had some ability to fly. So that means you're flying above these designs and these designs may be landmarks. They might be able to show you where you are.

Like if you're in a fucking plane. Oh, yeah, you're taking off. You're like, where do we? Oh, there's the spider. I mean, who knows what they had? You never know. It's crazy speculation. But the thing, it's not.

We've only had planes for a couple hundred. now, not even, right? A couple hundred. The Wright brothers, it was the turn of the century. 20s, right? Somewhere around there. What year was it? A couple hundred is tough.

About 100 plus. Yeah, it was like late 1800s, right? 1800s? No. People could fly back then with a blimp or a balloon, but you couldn't, a plane wasn't invented to the Wright brothers. Right, and it was that, 1920? Yeah. 1919.

It was a very short amount of time. This was the craziest number. It was a really short amount of time. amount of time. 1903. Between, okay, so think of that. You go from 1903 to 1969, the moon landing,

allegedly. I don't think they went. I don't think so either. But at least they had rockets and they can go into space. Sure. So that's only 65 years. That's not a lot.

That's nothing, dude. To go from to go from, bang, bang, bang, bang. Yeah, I mean, look at the right one of there's plane. that stupid fucking plane. Who's getting on that thing? Nobody. You would never put your family on that if you're on vacation.

Hey, kids want to fly? No, you have to be an asshole to get on that thing. They went from that to dropping an atomic bomb from one of those things in 40 years. Not even, right? You say 1909? Is that what you said? 1903. Okay, think of that.

Still. Think of that. Forty-two years later, they dropped atomic bombs out of planes. That's nuts. That is pretty nice. That's nuts. That's a short amount of time. Forty-two years ago was 1984.

Correct. That's how crazy it was. I was in high school. So imagine the plane gets invented then and then today they drop a fucking nuclear bomb out of one. That's bananas. Yeah. That's bananas. I wonder if we're going to, this is the beginning of so many things revealed that'll just keep coming and keep coming.

coming and it'll be over. It's just, when is it stop? When does it end? Oh, they're going to be overwhelmed. Are they, I wish we knew exactly what they had. Can they move something by just using energy? Can they, can someone just sit there like this? I don't know if a person can, but they must have had some kind of technology that we don't

understand to move those stones. A hundred percent. There's no. And then what happened to it? What happened? Well, if people got wiped out by a natural disaster, nothing's left. Like, imagine if the world. world got wiped out. It was just you, me and Jamie

and a few other people. We're not figuring out a cell phone. No. No. We're not figuring out electricity. We're not figuring out a lot of things. We're not figuring out jack shit. It's going to take many, many, many, many, many generations before any fucking autistic people figure out the new stuff. Correct. We're going to have to invent vaccines. We're going to get people autism. We're going to have to

figure out Adderall. We've got to get this kid a little. little bit off so we can figure things out. Let's do this. We're going to have to adderall. We're going to make them learn things. Someone's going to invent a computer. Yes. Think about that.

Yeah. Just how long ago we were like, you got mail. Right. You got mail. I got a computer for the first time in 94 when I first moved to L.A. I thought I was living in the future. Me too. I was like, this is crazy.

Out of 144 bod modem. Yeah, yeah. You had to use your phone line so I couldn't get a phone call while the computer was working. because the computer would go online. And when you would download a page, when you would go to watch a page on the internet, it would go, dook, dook, dook, dook, it would slowly load.

Gosh, I faking remember that. I just remember my first computer is living in the city, it just gets sounded lies about a thing. And the same thing. I just remember taking forever to go up. And I just remember. 56K was so fast.

Like, ooh, I got 56K. I remember being excited when it says. You got mail. Yeah. It was exciting. AOL. It was like a tiny blip in time, and now all of a sudden you've got something in your phone that you can send a video message to someone on the other side of the planet

and communicate with them instantaneously. And talk with no, no delay whatsoever. No. I'm talking to anyone I want. In New Zealand. You could have a fucking iPhone call with someone in New Zealand. I talk to my buddy's still in Africa. It's nuts.

I call them like every once a month, how are you doing? Like, Jimmy, I'm doing good. Crazy. Yes. And this has all happened inside of our lifetime. Yeah. You remember when you used to have to pay money for long distance? Yes.

It was expensive. It was super expensive. And if you were on, and there was it again, back with that John Tovin time, I used to have to walk because there were no, even the phones, I had a walk to the, I think it was like a McDonald's and they had a pay phone. And even there, it had to bring a wad of change. Yeah. Because, like, for another, for the next two minutes, 25 cents, you need another quarter. Or you had phone cards. You remember those?

Yes, those came out. Those came out later, the phone calls. They came out in the 90s, right? Yeah, after the change. What a weird time. Or you could make collect calls. Would you accept a collect call from Jim Brewer from Australia? No.

No. That would cost so much money. That's ridiculous. Now it costs nothing. Now it's a normal call. For a $10 pass, Verizon will pick this. Well, those people were probably fucking us. And when the cell phone company started giving you long distance for free, then everybody

else had to give in too. Right. Because when we were kids, if you had a friend that lived in New Jersey and you lived in California, that shit was expensive to talk. Super expensive. Everybody's like, you're on long distance. Get to the point. Yeah.

Everything good? Hey, we're on long distance. So then I told her, no, I didn't say it. I think Shirley said it. And we were tired anyway because I had been up. So the dog woke me out. Well, shut the fuck up and get to the point. Sometimes you get an argument.

It's going to be like a $45 argument. Oh, yeah. Or if you can get out the phone with him? Long-distance relationship with the lady. Yeah, you have to call her. It's a lot. That's expensive back there. That's expensive.

It could be a $100 call. Yeah. I had a couple of those because we were early, we were just married at an early age. I mean, I was, and we'd get in battles over the phone. I'd be more pissed going, I'm paying like $6. every five minutes for the fucking hunker. It makes you wonder, like, what kind of things are we going to look back on now in the future

and go, you remember before AI came alive? You remember? Yes. Remember when you used to have jobs? Remember when everybody used to work? Which? Which, is that freak? Like, it doesn't, right now it doesn't...

It freaks me out. Bother me, yeah? It freaks me out. It freaks me out because I don't think we know what's coming. We don't know what's coming. And there's nothing you could do about it. My friend Eric Weinstein was doing this interview recently where it was like, whatever you do, just assume it's over. You got to be flexible.

Assume whatever you do. You have a white collar job, it's over. You're a lawyer, it's over. You're an accountant. It's over. It's over. It makes sense. It's coming and no one has the answer and no one knows what's going to happen.

I think that's accurate. It's like a tidal wave. And unless you're able to grab a tree, climb up, that wave's going to come. It's going to do whatever it's going to do. and then when it starts reciting, you just got to hope you're still there and you're able to find ants and stitch up your little arm. A technological disaster in a lot of ways.

Interesting. In that, it's going to cause so much change, just like the Great Flood caused so much change. I think this is going to cause so much change. It's going to be a lot of chaos. You know what else going to be chaos? If I don't pee real quick. I got to pee really bad.

Let's rock this bitch down. Yeah, yeah. Jim, I love you to death, brother. Love you too, brother. Always great to see you. Thanks for having me. God damn, we've been friends for a long time. Yeah, thanks for having me.

You're busy man. Brother, I love you. I appreciate it. We've been friends for like 34 years. That's madness. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that's madness. Wow.

That's pretty awesome. Wild. Jimbrewer.com. Yeah, yeah. On tour now. On tour now. Hilarious. Go see him.

Fucking genius stand-up comedy. Thank you, brother. I love you, brother. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.