The Joe Rogan Experience - #2463 - Steve-O

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

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Joe Rogan podcast, checking out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Headphones, no headphones? Yeah, I don't need headphones. We're going no headphones. Fuck it. What's up, dog?

How are you? Well, dude, it's been a roller coaster for me, man. Since the last time I saw you? Big time. What happened? Well, let's see here. The year of 2022, last time I saw you, Dude, last time I saw you, I think it was 2023.

Wasn't that long ago? I think it was, man. Okay. Yeah. And, man, dude, I was on high the year of 2022. Like, we had our jackass movie in theater. It's number one. There's big, like, you know, my profile was all, you know, like white hot.

The world just opened up from the pandemic. And everybody had stimulus money and they were just revenge spending. Everyone wanted to go out to shows and there were no interest rates, money was free. It was just like a perfect storm for me to have the most successful year of my life. Like more than double what my next most successful year was. And then like, I don't know, maybe I just got like super, super high on that, you know? And it was just like I was just kind of printing money, you know, like selling merch like crazy. And like everything was just going so well.

And I don't know if maybe like you become more successful and like people get angry at you. But there's a point after that where I felt like, man, the internet turned on me kind of. You know, like I saw a lot of negative comments. People saying that like all I do is promote merch. You know, like there was a bunch of different. stuff and I legitimately agree that's my thing is when I see a negative comment about me if I agree with it then it really bothers me you know and I got to do something about it you know I think and I've heard you say that that you know that that that taking criticism

constructively is like super helpful it's very helpful the problem with the internet is this it's overwhelming it's too many too many voices right too many different people That's why I would never recommend for a person like you to even read the comments. Right. What I did was... Do you have a dick tattooed on your right eye around? Is that what that is? How long do you have to keep that for?

I don't have to keep it for any amount of time. Is it a bet or anything? I mean, it is a bet how long I last before I get it lasered off. And is there a money value to this bet? No. It's more of an experiment. Oh. But I've been doing really well with it.

It's not even a good deal. It's like a weird dick, like a banana dick. It's pretty awesome. Are you bad taking criticism? It was done by Post Malone. Oh, well, it makes it even better. It makes it awesome. I don't expect to keep it forever, but I was very shocked when I got it that my life didn't really change a whole lot.

That's you. right you know what I mean like if uh you know Marco Rubio got a dick tattooed on his forehead they'd be like hey take his fucking clearance away yeah um but in any case man like um I uh I just you couldn't be more right there's so many voices and everything but I agreed with a bunch of stuff and um you know I spent like

under 2024 25 like like very mindfully um addressing the you know the criticism with which I agreed and I felt like I made like really good progress you know like sort of repairing my my reputation even though maybe I didn't even need to I don't think you needed to maybe not but and and then coming into 2026 I was like wow I did this I texted you I was like dude I got on this mr. beast thing I won the whole damn thing and you know the this video he made 30 celebrities compete to win a million dollars for charity.

Oh, who we own with? Oh, dude, it was Matt Rife was one of them. Oh, cool. Sal Volcano. Oh, nice. Howie Mandel, Diplo. Nice. The Bella Twins.

Oh, so that's a crazy group of people. It was really crazy. So there's 20? 20? 30. Oh, wow. Yeah. 30, like not half-ass celebrities by any measure.

And I won the whole damn. thing, which was... So what was involved? What'd you have to do? There was... I mean, it was an exercise in promoting his beast games on Prime. Uh-huh. Which, by the way, is the most phenomenal TV show that I've ever watched.

Yeah, my daughter was just telling me about it. She was saying, it's so good. It is unbelievably good. And I'm not being paid to say that. He's a wizard, man. That dude's very smart. Yeah, I got to... He's like a really interesting guy because he's kind of open about what he does, and he tells

people how to do it. Right. You know, like how to manipulate the algorithm and how to get people to get excited and click on your link based on what the images and the text says. And he thinks about all that shit. Yeah. I was able to have him on my podcast, like right, right when the thing came out. Uh-huh.

And he was telling me that he was pretty close to recording a podcast with you on the top of the pyramid. Yeah. I couldn't make it out there. I didn't have the time. Yeah. But, you know, he's amazing. And I thought when that thing came out, I was like, man, this is just going to, like, be life all the time.

Well, here's the thing. People got mad at him. They got mad at him when he was filming in Egypt because he was filming with Zai Hawas. And Zahi is the, what is the head of the ministry of antiquities? Is that what it is? Or he was at one point in time. He was one of, you know, my most controversial podcast guest. People did not like him.

Wow. Because he's kind of, he. pushes a narrative in defiance of all the evidence that has been sort of uncovered by all these other people. It's like there's this evidence that shows that, you know, the pyramids are built by these guys. You know, Mr. Bees, because Mr. Bees did something with him, and a lot of people online were mad at him for having this guy on Zai Yawaz. And it's the guy who pushes the narrative. Nobody knows how they built the pyramids. And he's like, they built it because it was a national project.

And I was like, come on, bro. Like, that's a fun thing to say. But that doesn't tell me how they got all those rocks there. Tell me how they got 2,300,000 stones that weighed between 2 and like 80 tons. And they moved them to the mountains, some of them, 500 miles away. Well, tell me how they did that. Tell me how they aligned into true north, south, east, and west, 4,500 plus years ago. and it's more likely plus than minus.

I mean, nobody knows. So that was really controversial. A lot of people are mad at Mr. Beast for that. In the algorithm that I have, people call him a shill and letting this guy say nonsense on your show. Wow, okay. So that's the point. It's like, don't listen.

Right, right, right, right. Nobody gives a shit. None of Mr. Beast's fans like, we're going to abandon him. He had a song, Hawasson, spitting out propaganda. Nobody cares, man. There's just too many voices. And if you look at yourself, if you feel like, oh, I'm kind of whoring out my merch too much, just back off of it.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I did. That's what I did. He gets shit for everything because he's Uber successful. Right. Right. So everything he does, like, it could be like, he only gave away a million dollars of charity. Like, it's fucking ridiculous, man. Like, they'll never make all those people happy.

They don't want to be happy. That's a big part of what's going on. Right. You're jumping into a pool of. of mentally ill people and trying to stay clean. They're like, wash it. Hey, guys, guys, guys, let's be reasonable. They're not reasonable.

They're fucking suicidal. They know what a gun tastes like. They've had it in their mouth recently. This is not a place where you're going to get like rational discourse. Right. But again, it's when I agree with stuff that. Right. That it bothers you.

Right. But do that to yourself. Right, right. Just look at yourself. Take a moment. Like, there was a, I don't know if I was burned out, like if I was touring, but like, there was a point going through 2022 in particular

2023 where like I just I would lose my mind over people being disruptive in the audience at my show I don't even want to call them hecklers because I think like heckler has like a connotation of wittiness to it

I'm talking about just drunk shitheads just yelling out and disrupting the show And I would take the position, I'd be like, man, you know, this whole audience of people paid their hard-earned money to come see this show. And this one person yelling out is just fundamentally disrespecting everybody who's here, and I'm not standing for it. I'm drawing hard, you know, and I would be like, I would snap, be like, no, I would be throwing people out. What happened was everybody thought I was a dick, you know? And like, maybe so.

Like, maybe I was burned out and it was like... You were overreacting. Right. Overreacting. And like that's another piece of criticism that I really, really took to heart. And now it's been over two years, like well over two years since I even scolded an audience member or throw them out. That's great. Just got to kind of put that energy out there at the beginning.

We're all here to have a good time. You know, we're all here to have a good time. Let them know. It's like, like, if someone's yelling. Like, come on, man. Keep it to yourself. Stay calm. Hold it together. If I get like really pushed in an egregious situation, the farthest all goes, I'll say, hey, you know what, guys, I used to get really bent out of shape over people being disruptive, but I don't do it anymore. And that tends to. And as soon as I stopped reacting so much, like the problem mellowed out. But you got to realize, like, your entire career, you've kind of been a disruptor. Sure. So it's kind of natural. that disruptive people would be attracted to come to your show. Of course.

Of course. And then you're saying, please be polite at this moment in time. Right. Yeah, like you're about to see me put some things up my butt and I demand respect. Is that what you do in your show? You put stuff up your butt? It's a multimedia show. So, um, so it like it.

So, of course you put something up. It's multimedia. I mean, self-explanatory, Jamie. What's with the questions, Jamie? God. Right. But I still to this day cringe when Tim Kennedy choked your unconscious and let you drop, I wasn't mad at him.

Yeah, that was mad at him. You didn't have to let you drop like that. I did ask him to drop me, which was wrong. I would have said no. Yeah. I would have said no. If you made me do that to you, first of all, I would have tried to talk you out of it. But then I would have said, there's no way I'm going to let you drop.

In hindsight, it wasn't particularly funny. Not only was it not funny. It was like super disturbing. Right. I would have put a cushion under you at the very least. Right. Like a nice, like one of them judo pads where they throw people on. Being choked out in and of itself is not.

Not that bad. It's not really a dangerous thing. Probably not the best way. Right. Yeah, I don't know what the data is. I don't think a lot of jiu-jitsu people have done double-blind placebo-controlled studies on tap or no tap. What's the best for your brain? Right.

I can't think it's good that your brain gets shut off for a few seconds. I can't think it's good. You know? One of the gnarliest things I've ever done in my life, if not the gnarliest, way back in 2003, we had just had the first jackass movie come out. While filming for the first jackass movie, one of the bits that it was never used because it was too dark. Too far tough? Yeah. For jackass?

Right. Do you have a clip of this? Of what, I'm sure that it exists. But you'll appreciate this. The legend Gene LaBelle. Oh, judo Jean. Judo Gene. The legend.

Real legend. Yeah. Like they had Gene LaBelle. They lined up the whole cast of Jackass, and he just went down the line. Just choked it all out? Yeah. And like the swiftness with which he got it. Oh, yeah.

He was a brutal man. I mean, it was just like, and he was just like. Yeah. Super nice guy, but a brutal man. Right. And it wasn't even brutal, though. It was like gentle. Oh, really?

I mean, it was just so fast. He was just, and then. His style was known for being particularly painful. Yeah. My friend Silvio Pimenta was one of his students, and he was one of my first jujitsu instructors. And he taught me a bunch of gene stuff. And I was like, oh, what a mean guy. Some of this stuff was so mean.

It was like knuckles in your neck and, like, real crazy shit that gene would do to people. Yeah. It's like particularly painful. Yeah, there you go. There you go. Out cold. Oh, yeah, that looks gentle. Super gentle

No, I'm not even kidding Like the way he's doing it I mean Hayes' technique is so flawless You know that Chuck Chuck Liddell was really good at it too He choked him out one time So

Who did he punch Who did he punch in the arm Full blast Someone like that One of you guys Oh that would have been Before Jackass Was it Jason Ellis?

I forget who it was But someone let Chuck Full blast right hand them In the arm I'm like well that arm useless for a couple of months now. That's not like your buddy punching you in the arm versus Chuck.

He's going to rip some stuff apart in there. He might blow your shoulder out. Like that's crazy to let that guy hit you. Yeah, what a sweetheart too. Oh, he's a great guy. Chuck was the weirdest. Because when he was in his prime, like you look at him, he was so scary.

Because he's tall. He was fucking built in a brick shit house, Mohawk tattoo in his head. Super kind. Like he talked to him, super calm and really. I spent a bunch of time with... Great fucking guy. Great fucking guy.

Okay, so Gene LaBelle, like, Choke, just lays this all down one by one. Okay. Like, they considered it too dark. They didn't even, like... Just because he went unconscious? Yeah, yeah. What year was this? In 2002 that we filmed in the freshman.

People weren't used to being choked out yet. The UFC didn't really get big until 2005. Right, because of Chuck. Really? Yeah. Well, it was really because of Stefan Bonner and Forrest Griffin. Right, right, right. That one fight on.

It's crazy. One fight on the ultimate fighter changed the course of the history of the sport. That was the premiere on Spike. Uh-huh. Because there was a good fight before that. Diego Sanchez beat Kenny Florian. So that was before that. That was a really good fight too.

But that was like Diego beat his ass. Whereas the Stefan Bonner, Forrest Griffin fight, was a crazy, like completely even fight. and two dudes who knew each other really well and they were fucking going for it. They said that during the time you know like maybe a million people were watching it at first

and the peak was like six or seven million which for them was nuts. So what that meant was everybody was calling their friend and go dude turn on Spike TV right now this is crazy and like what is this like no one knew what it was back then like they had heard a hoist Gracie but no one knew that it was going to be on TV

and they're like boom that was it And then they had Chuck as the champion, which was the perfect champion for an emerging sport. This guy was just a seek and destroy psychopath with a tattoo, like kanji tattoo on his head and a mohawk, just fucking starching people. I remember that air too. I mean, year 2000 was when Jackass came out on MTV. And I mean, at that time, you couldn't watch video on the internet. That was the dark times. That was when it was banned from cable, and you could only watch it.

I got direct TV because it was the only way you could watch the UFC. That's why I got direct TV. And the media just wasn't so fragmented at that time. There were only so many TV channels. There was no social media, no video on the Internet. So when something hit on a basic cable... It hit big. Yeah.

Yeah. And I think the most views, most... Most concurrent viewers on MTV that we got was like 4.5 million. And that... For cable, that's a lot. That moved the needle in a big way. That's unheard of now. Right.

Which is really kind of crazy if you think about it. Yep. That's how much things have gotten diluted because there's so many shows. It's impossible to watch everything. Right. Every time I turn on Apple TV, there's some new, interesting show. There's a fucking million of them on Amazon Prime that you've never even heard of that are really good. they're all over the place.

Right. I mean, you know, I had a really great conversation with Mark McGrath, the guy from Sugar Ray. Oh, really? Yeah, he's, like, I just fell in love with this guy. I had him on my podcast. And he made such a valid point about how the 90s, 90s nostalgia is so rad because it was really the last time when everybody watched the same shows on TV together. Right.

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excited about it. Yeah. A new Van Halen. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. It was a fun time. It was an interesting time.

And it was a time, like before the internet, you had to find out about stuff from friends. Yeah. You know? Like I remember, I was headed to a gig with this dude. God, I wish I could remember his last name. But he was really funny. Johnny something.

Fuck. I'll remember it eventually. But we were on our way to this comic from Connecticut. We were on our way to a gig together. And he's like, have you heard of the brand new? heavies? And I go, no, who are they? He goes, it's a jazz band, and they linked up with a bunch of rappers and made this heavy rhyme experience album. It was fucking incredible. I'm like, I would have never found out about this. That sounds sick. Oh, it's sick, dude. There's one with a gang star

that's great. It's getting hectic. It's fucking great. Because it's like you got this music that's like this like real live band music. Sort of like how that tiny desk show does it now. See, I don't even know the tiny tests But you got like Cool G rap Oh dude cool G rap That's it Johnny Rizzo How did you do that

That's another trick How the fuck did you do that? Shout out to Johnny Rizzo Is he around still? He was a funny dude He had like a rubber face The dude could make the craziest faces It was so funny

Yeah Back to the choking out thing I think the reason why I was a dark and disturbing. Because you guys were twitching. Yeah, it's the twitching. When you get choked out, you're twitching. That's a little bit of...

That's just waking up. It's a little bit upsetting. It's not... That's hilarious. All the shit you guys did that they left in. Well, yeah, and another big problem is that with the choking out, it's particularly imitatable.

That's something that we got to worry about. If it's something that little kids could like pretty easily imitate. then that's more problematic for us. But in that whole experience, Ryan Dunn just came away feeling qualified to start choking people out himself. Oh, no.

I don't know that Ryan Dunn had any kind of combat sports background. I kind of doubt it. I think it was literally just from this one experience with Gene LaBelle, kind of watching it happen, having the experience himself. he just started choking people out. And back then I had a wildly different style of tour, but I was on tour nonetheless,

and Ryan Dunn would be with me on tour. He would say to the audience, who wants to get on stage and get choked out? And even back then, I was like out of my mind on drugs, and I was like, please don't be doing this here. It really, really bothered. It made me so uncomfortable. I would leave the stage when Ryan Dunn was choking out audience,

members. Oh, that's so crazy that they signed up for that. Right. And people would be jumping up and down. Like, please, please, please. Did he let them down? He didn't drop them. He did let them down. That's very kind of him. But it bothered me so much until the one day when I'd been on cocaine for like three days in a row. And I was feeling a little bit self-conscious about how little like very intense footage that I had been generating and I was like you know what today's my day Ryan Dunn choke me out and so he did it once and then he didn't get he we spent the whole day he six times in a row and each time it became more like violent throwing me down that's number two it seems like he's having fun with your body

after it's out. He's sort of just ragdolling you. Yeah. Dude. Six of them in one day. That's too much. Oh my God, the last one? I'll imagine that rarely happens in training.

Right. Usually you tap out. Yeah. After this one, I think there's two more. And the last one is just so upsetting. This one? Yeah, I guess it's the one where he threw me on my head. Oh, dude.

Yeah, like right? I don't want to see. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. Yeah, I landed right on my face, dude. Fuck, man. Why did you do that? Because...

You wanted it to be more exciting? I think that... And the cocaine. Yeah. There was cocaine falling out of my nose in the shot. Because I put it there. Jesus Christ. Jeez, boy.

I think that's probably the gnarliest thing. Yeah. But in any case. Did you get hurt from that at all? I think I had a broken tooth. Oh, from falling your face. Yeah. Did you get hurt at all from the repeated chokings?

I don't think so. No? It's pretty amazing, given what I've put myself through. Oh, incredible. Both professionally and personally. That, like, I have good recall. Yeah. You know, pretty.

How many times, Johnny told me he's been knocked out unconscious 16 times. How many times do you think? I'm not at that level. I got knocked out in the WWE ring. On Monday Night Raw. This was a heavy one, man. Which you get it with? And it was an elbow that really put me out.

Who hit you? Umaga. This is the, they call his fighter name in the WWU was the Samoan bulldozer. Bro, Samoan's got some heavy bones. Yeah. You want to get hit by Samoan? Yeah. I mean, dear, I bet you can bring that one up.

Oh, my goodness. Monday Night Raw, Steveau, and Chris Ponnius. We were promoting the second jackass movie. So we're going to get in the ring. We're getting in the ring. We're doing a whole match. And it's fascinating the way that they kind of block out what the matches are.

It's kind of like a jam band. Right. You know, like a jam band that you've got like the kind of tent pole moments and then you just kind of fill it in. But it's like there's going to this is going to happen, this is going to happen, this is going to happen. And what was to be the last move, it's called a splash where this 350-pound Samoan bulldozer is going to jump off the top rope

and with me laying on the ground and like body slam, you know, off the top rope. But what I didn't understand, what I didn't know, is that the match for it to be over, that means the person who lost, like, stops moving. Oh, that's the only way? Well, you're not supposed to move around after that. around I moved it so like so he put you to sleep yeah like he jumped off the top rope and it was such a devastating blow that I couldn't help but react you know I was like oh you know like whoa like and I'm laughing and rolling around like I can't even believe it and he's looking at me like oh now I'm disrespecting

him because I'm moving around so so he hits me again and and I'm confused because I understood that what just happened was supposed to be the final move but now he just hit him hit me again and I'm like what are you doing you know like but he's like if I'm going to move around he's going to keep hitting me so nobody told you that right and so then he hits me again and yeah we we got pretty radical uh yeah there's uh okay this this is this is dude he drops this elbow they they didn't even show the end of the match they went to commercial because it was too dark for the W.W.E. to show. See, right there.

Not supposed to be over, but I'm moving around. And so then he kicks you. And I'm like, wait, but, dude, I think that elbow was what put me out. And they cut to the commercial. I don't remember leaving the ring.

Wow. Yeah, that elbow looked pretty fucking hard, dude. Yeah, right there. But it's also all the other banging of your brain. I mean, this is a lot of banging of your brain. The body slams a banging of your brain. Yeah.

Yeah, you definitely got a concussion from that one, son. Yeah. Those dudes get concussions all the time. You don't think about it because you think, oh, it's wrestling. It's pro wrestling. But just the physical contact's unavoidable. Those guys, when Hulk Hogan came in here, man, it was one of the saddest things. I'd met him a long time ago in Beverly Hills.

I ran into him in front of a cigar bar. I was like, holy shit, he was gigantic. And then I met him the second time when he did. Well, I met him another time when he, he and I did a Spike TV thing. It was awesome. And then he came in to do the podcast and he had so many back surgeries that he was like six inches shorter. Oh, wow. It was crazy.

It's because they have to fuse all of his discs. And he had a cane everywhere, man. He was fucked up. And he said it was from that thing that he would do where he would drop down on his ass with an elbow. So every time he did that, he fucked his back up. I mean, think about how big he was in his prime. 300 plus pounds, right? So every time you're dropping down, your body's taking the shock on your ass bone of 300 plus pounds flying through the air and bouncing off the ground.

So all of his discs got herniated. You got to get them all fused. It was horrible, man. Yeah. Those guys get fucking busted up. Yeah. The rock is like a weird. He's an outlier because I don't know what kind of physical issues he has, but he has.

He doesn't even have any. Like, I worked out with him. He's mobile. He could do stuff. He looks amazing. It's like, I don't know how he got through that insane long career and not got busted up. Yep. I feel like a storm called Steve Austin is in reasonably good shape, too.

I don't know. I don't know about that one. But I know a lot of those guys, man, they leave that career. And, you know, they have fake hips, fake backs fused. Everybody has something wrong. Yep. I've been pretty lucky. Like, for the most part, you know, I've had some hardware in my ankle.

I've had hardware in my collarbone. I had meniscus surgery on my knee. That's it for your knees? Just one? Just one. And it was an elective one, too. Like, it was a partially torn meniscus. Why did you decide to get it sniff?

Because I was told that it would be better. I don't know. In the long run, my knee would. be better for it. Yeah, I had it done on my left knee. And it was pretty good until a skiing accident a few years ago. And it's been, like, irritating this shit out of me since then. And then I've had a few other little injuries with it.

But the thing about it is, like, that cushion, once it's gone, it's gone. Like, it doesn't come back. And that cushion's kind of important. Like, my knee always felt a little loose. Like, that cushion really goes banging around in there. Yeah. They do replace meniscus. They use cadaver meniscus.

but it's not 100%. It doesn't always work. I don't know. I think they have to cut the entirety of your meniscus out and put a cadaver one in there and then sew it in place. That recovery from that meniscus surgery was rough. Really? Yeah, like that...

I thought that was one of the easiest ones. For me, man, my knee really hurt for quite a while. Were you doing anything for it? How long ago was this in 2006? Is that what you said? Oh, no. How long was it? The knee surgery?

The meniscus was very long. recent. Oh, reason. Oh, okay. Well, um, get on some peptides. That's, that'll probably help it. I, I was. I was doing peptides. Yeah. Donald Seroni. Oh, there you go. He got me, uh, dialed in with the folks at Transcend. Right. He works with those guys. Right. And that's how he got super jacked after he retired. Right. I just travel so much. Right. That like all of these things that need to be refrigerated, you're traveling with the ice pack. And it was like, I get it. It's just like kind of too much. You know what a simple solution, though, is?

What's that? Just get yourself like one of them little Yeti thermoses. Put some ice in there and put your peptides in there, throw in your bag. Simple. That's it. Okay. It keeps it cold, seals up. I was doing testosterone, too.

You stopped? I did. Why stop? I just kept forgetting. I was like, oh. And I didn't, I mean, I don't want to say I didn't notice anything. thing because there are different things going on in my life that I could have attributed. But like having stopped taking it, I don't notice really any difference.

Did you get your blood work done before you took it? Well, I did. I got my blood work done by the folks at Transcend. Right. And, you know, they prescribed it to me. What did they say your levels were? I think my testosterone was like 300. Oh, that's pretty low.

Yeah. It's on the low end of normal. There's other stuff you can take, though. There's stuff called, well, you know, to taking peptides. But there's other stuff you could take that could ramp up your natural testosterone.

Right. I've been doing more like strength training too and I know that that helps a lot. Yeah, that does it. Yeah. There's a bunch of different things like deadlifts and squats.

They ramp up your testosterone, especially zircher squats. I could certainly get back into all that because I love the idea of like being super healthy, longevity. No, it's good for you. Feel better.

Feel better. Think better. Yeah. And my baseline's pretty good too. Like, I've got my whoop band and, uh, you know. Seeing you with a whoop is kind of hilarious. A little concerned about my health. I love it.

Contrary to all my actions for the past 40 plus years. Right. I love it so much. And it's great, right? You get so much data, find out for sleeping well. What's your HRV like? I don't know, man. I haven't worn one in a while.

Right. Because, uh, like today I'm 113 H.RV. Uh, I don't know if that's good. Is that good? It's super good. Oh, yeah. Congratulations. Yeah, and like my average is like 90.

I don't know. That's great, man. So you're working out, feeling good. Yeah, taking care of myself. Avoid those blows to the head, son. Yeah, for sure. Especially as you get older, it seems like a lot of people, and they get older, they're really hard to recover from. Right.

The last Jackass movie we did, the fourth one, Jackass Forever, they had this huge treadmill. It's like treadmill for horses. And they got it just humming. And all of us, a bunch of us, the cast, dressed up in marching band, like, with marching band. And, like, we're marching and playing our instruments, and one by one, we'd jump on this treadmill. Right. And it was hilarious. But, dude, I got knocked out so cold.

I wonder if you could bring that up, Jamie. Like, I was out-out for, like, you know, probably maybe the longest I've ever had. How did you get knocked out? What happened? I hit my hand. The fell? Yeah, like as I got spit off the end of this treadmill. Oh, Jesus Christ.

Yeah. You just kind of jumped on it? So it looks like Knoxville went first. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, dude. So I'm like, everyone is awake, and I am like super not awake at all. Oh, Knoxville's bleeding from the head? Yeah.

You guys are so ridiculous. What a silly way to make a living? Yeah, don't do that anymore. Yeah, that... Oh, boy. Yeah, that might have been my worst concussion. Really? But there's been, like, more than that even, you know, not 16, but...

The one that hurt me the most was Johnny Knoxville when he was in that store and butterbean beat him up. Yeah, oh, my God. That was crazy. That one bothered me. Because if you know how hard butterbean hits, that's just a silly thing to sign up for it. Let that guy beat the shit out of you. And then even that... After he's down, Butterlean had him get back up and put him away.

Like, don't let him do that. Right. Especially Butterbeam, man. That guy, there's a highlight reel of him putting giant men to sleep. You know, I do not want that guy punched you on the chin. Talk about sweethearts, too, man. What, Butterbean? Yeah, up until that moment.

Right. There's a thing with those guys, though, they're so accustomed to hurting people. Yeah. It's like, you want to sign up for this? You sure? I'm sure. Okay. Right.

And they're just going to do to you what they've done to a bunch of other people that decided to box them. Yeah. Man, looking at that, that really was gnarly. Narlies. Not good. I mean, you were flying through the air and landed on your fucking head. Not good, dude. Not good.

That's probably why you forget to take your peptides. I read a story about Jim McMahon, the football player. And that's his name, right? The guy from the Chicago Bears. Yeah, Jim McBain was the quarterback, right? Yeah, the quarterback. And I think it was a Sports Illustrated article. And they were talking about it.

Like, he can't remember anything. He'll be standing in the middle of his living room, not knowing why he's there, where he was going. Man. Doesn't know where his keys are. Doesn't know where his phone. He just like can't. It's just like, Gert.

Like, it just blacks out, comes back. Blacks out, comes back. You'd imagine that that would be more for, like, linemen. because every single play. Those days, though, the quarterbacks got taken out. Back in those days, that's the 80s. You got to think of how much harder the game was. I'm obviously not a football,

aficionado, or expert by any means. But from what I've been told, the rules are much more favorable today to protect the quarterback. Right, okay. And back then, those dudes got... And it's not just that, man. It's also all the different years you played. Those all count.

Just because you're only getting knocked out a couple of times as a professional in the NFL, what about all the times he got knocked out in high school? What about all the time he's got knocked down in college? Those guys, man, I have a massive amount of respect for football players. I mean, I've watched a lot of high school games in Texas, and I watched a lot of college games at UT. It is a fucking brutal sport. I mean, it's no wonder that's the American pastime.

It is a psychotic fucking sport. I love it. It's fun to watch, man. I've become a fan. What really, I think, was the smartest thing the NFL did. They got into the routine with the NFL YouTube channel. At the conclusion of every game, they upload a video to YouTube, which is a condensed version of the game that runs anywhere from like 10 to, you know, like 10 to 15 minutes.

So, like, you can watch. Super digestible. more than highlights, like more than SportsCenter, but like, you know, you're only seeing the awesome stuff. Man was involved in Nexus. It's one of the dirtiest plays in NFL history. Oh. He just got slammed after the play. After the play slammed on his head.

Yeah. That's crazy. I think this end of his season, this play. I don't know which game of the year it was. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's not cool, man. Look at them. Oh, my God.

That's crazy that they do did that. And what did he get, like, a one-game penalty? or something back then yeah back then it was probably pretty yellow back then they probably gave him extra star boys good job but I hope this reaches the NFL when I say this is that as much as and by the by the end of the season whatever it was 2023 2024 like I was so invested because I was watching these digestible like YouTube videos that by the time the playoffs rolled around I was subscribed to every single different platform because now like the stakes are so high I got to

watch the whole game like they really convert It converted me. Oh, that's great. Yeah, it was the smartest thing I did. That's wise. I mean, because you think about there's a lot of downtime in football. Right. In between plays, a lot of this, all of that.

People talk. The best thing. But I have a really, really important thing that I want the NFL to know is that they were, the thumbnails. A lot of the times gave away the outcome of the game. So, and this was a problem that the UFC had for a while. Like, you know, I would be doing my shows. You know, especially if I'm in a comedy club. You know, I've got the second show on Saturday night.

So I've missed the whole pay-per-view event. Now I get back to my hotel room, and I'm going to watch everything, the whole thing. But then when I go into the video on demand and the thumbnail shows like the winner of the main event, like celebrating. Right. You know, like, it's like, oh, so I reached out to Dana. I'm like, Dana, the thumbnails are giving her way. And he's like, took care of it, man, just got off the phone with the head of Disney, the president of the... That's nice.

kind of pull right and uh bad wish i could do that for the NFL but they don't always maybe they will maybe they will know yeah they don't always give away the game but for the love of god please make the thumbnail neutral so that because of the reason why we're clicking on this video is because we want we don't want to know what happened we won't watch it and enjoy it right and so how long are these condensed games anywhere from like eight to 16 minutes wow that's smart and it's so exciting because is if you see like a punt or a kickoff, you know something awesome is gonna happen because they'll never include a punt or a kickoff

unless it gets run all the way down for a touchdown or if there's a turnover or something like. So it's like, ooh, you know, like you get excited when you watch these videos if there's a punt. Right, that makes sense. Yeah. UFC does a good job with, they do these videos

that shows like all the knockouts from a particular event. So anybody who just wants to see knockouts. Yep, I've been seeing that. And, you know, I've been in situations already since the Paramount deal where I got to go back and watch the whole card. And Paramount, like, it's pretty awesome, man, like on ESPN. It's not very intuitive, I got to say. It's a little clunky when you're searching for the show, because you go to, like, live TV to watch it. And then if it's not on live TV anymore, like, if you go out, you pause it and you come back and try to,

And you click on it, it doesn't work. And then you've got to find it. And then you've got to go to home. And then you've got to go down to the UFC. And then I search out each individual. And then it brings you up a grid of all the stuff that's on TV right now. And then if you click on that, it's not playing anymore. So it tells you it's not on.

You've got to go back again to home. So like, where the fuck is it? Like just have a little UFC thing where I could click at the homepage. And it shows all the matches. What's live? What's not? Just a little clunky. I think ESPN Plus kind of had it down.

And I'm just starting to get... You know, you know, the problem with ESPN Plus was, though? What? Is that, you know, you scroll through to get to the main card. They would have each fight individually up there. And you've got to, like, blur your eyes because on the thumbnail, it says the duration of the fight. Right. Right, right, right. You know, you got a little timestamp.

And it's like, oh, damn it. Like, I just saw that the... You got to not look at that. Yeah. Don't look at that. Yeah. The problem is when you play it, that'll show you how short the amount of time is, you know, how quickly the time is going. Oh, great.

Right. Well, you can't, like, you can't ever skip anything because then the time bar will come up. Do you watch anything else other than UFC? Sports-wise? No, fighting-wise. Oh, man, I don't. No? No.

I've been trying to get Dana White to do a striking league. I'm trying because like you know people still boo and complain when things go to the ground and if the UFC has time to do like slap fight which I'm not really into but if they have time to do that like do a stand up only league because there's other organizations that are doing that you know what like the the Mike Tyson Jake Paul thing I understand that they had a hundred million viewers. Is that real? I think they did. And then the Jake Paul, Anthony, Joshua had like maybe 30 million. Right. So it was nowhere near. But, God, I thought that, I thought that.

Where'd you get those numbers? Just whatever, I just saw it in the... Because I don't know if Netflix gives those numbers out. Or maybe they did. Did they say it? 108 million. Paul Tyson had 108 million. And then Anthony Joshua, I think it was like 30.

Interesting. 108 million is crazy. That's a lot of fucking people. It's a lot of people, but what a blown opportunity when you think like, okay, now Netflix had, they knew they were going to have that many viewers. Right. If not that many, they knew they were going to have a lot. Right.

They had the opportunity to take the boxing model and fix it. And, you know, and I don't know. But Netflix did? Yeah. Netflix has only had a small handful of events, though. Understood. But if you look at the UFC broadcast, just how, like, there's just not downtime. You know, it's like people care about the undercard.

You know me. Like, I'm there. Yeah. I'm there, like, for the first fight-pass prelim. Some of the undercards are the best fights. For sure. Yeah. And that's why the Contender Series is so good.

Particularly, yeah, right, exactly. Especially when you see some of these guys coming out of the contender series that are so high level already. Right. There's guys that are getting matched up in the undercard that no one's ever heard of. there are two undefeated fighters that could be world champions. For sure. There's guys that are that good now. Right.

And that's what's so great about the UFC is that the whole card's good. The production's insane. There's no downtime. It's just like you can sit there for fucking six hours. Right. And be thoroughly happy that you're watching the whole time. But with boxing, there's so much time in between the bouts. Yes.

Yeah, they don't do nearly as good a job. Do UFC, without doubt, is the best. promotion in all of comments sports in terms of entertainment production value the people in the truck the the experts like they're the best that's what I'm saying about Netflix is that they they could have fixed it they could have fixed well Zoof is trying to do that now right you know Zoof is trying to do that they're basically using the promotion machine behind the UFC's to start promoting boxing and they're just getting rolling right now but they signed some really big

They signed Connor Ben. They signed Jai Apataya, who's a fucking beast. They signed some legit boxers. So it should be interesting. Yeah. Boxing is a fascinating sport. It's a mess. I mean, as far as the broadcast goes. Well, I think there's a few companies that know how to do it right and HBO was the best. And when HBO went off the air with boxing, it was a real bummer because HBO boxing had been around for decades. They were the peak. That was like the best production team. It was Jim Lampley,

Larry Hazzard, or Larry Merchant rather, Roy Jones Jr. sometimes, George Foreman sometimes and different fighters would sit in sometimes. And it was the app, Jim Lampley is the fucking best. It was the best. It was like the smoothest production. They were the best with the cameras

and the production quality and they'd get you hyped up about the fight with the little pre-made videos. They didn't drag it out. They knew how to do it. HBO did it right. They did it right. But I guess it was like either it was not profitable or something. They just decided to, when they canned HBO Boxer, I couldn't believe it. I was like, after all these years, it's such a crazy thing to do. They were the best. If you had an HBO boxing card and it was a big fight, fuck, I was pumped. It was like the quality of the product

was so high level. And they only put on really great fights. Like if it got to HBO. HBO, that was going to be a great fucking fight. Well, comedy specials were the same way, right? Sure. Yeah. Now, you know, now it's weird because it's like the landscape is so filled with different platforms. And some guys take money over visibility. Like, there's young guys that have gotten offers for places.

And I was like, listen, man, I think you should put it on YouTube. For sure. You're not going to make any money. But you've got to think about that money investing in yourself because I think you're really good. And I think that this material, if you put it on YouTube, it's, It's going to go viral. It'll spread around. Way more people will know about you.

For sure. I sorely regret my approach. Because my comedy specials are multimedia. And, like, I got stuff in there. I mean, the whole point of my comedy with the multimedia is to have stuff that you can't even show on jackass. Right. You know?

Right. Just, like, extra naughty jackass movie collide with the stand-up show. Right. And I love that. much fun with that. And when I put out my last one, I did this thing that Andrew Schultz did, the moment, you know, like it's a paywall. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's this company moment. And that was me trying to make money off this special. I mean, I spent so much making it, you know, but whatever. I wish that I would have had no paywall whatsoever. I can't put it

on YouTube, but put it on my website so that I could get the eyeballs. because I think in the long run that would benefit way more. Why can't you put it on YouTube? Because the content? Because it's too extreme. Nudity, violence. Like literally... That's going to be hard to distribute anywhere.

Well, right. Even on a website, even on your website. That's just hard. That's just hard to get out. Now I have my multimedia specials on my website with no paywall, totally free. Like, no ads. Yeah.

Just go to stevo.com and check out. Well, Andrew did it very smart. Like, if you want to see it now, pay. and then I'm going to put it on YouTube in X amount of months. A lot of people got mad about that. People get mad about everything. Understood. You got to always remember that, man.

People get mad about everything. Right. You can't concentrate on that. I think that maybe they're a little bit more of a window. Because for the people who are like, man, I just spent. Well, tell them what the window is. Right. Just if you want to do it that way, just tell them.

I want to put it on YouTube in three months. Right. Understood. But it all is like how successful are you, right? So if you're a successful comedian, you do that, and then your fan's like, hey, why do you need more money out of me? Well, can't you just release it? But if you're a successful comedian that's been kind of banished like Louis C.K. was for a while. And then Louis C.K. has done a brilliant job of putting everything on his website.

Like Harold and Pete, his animated show, Lucky Louie, all the different Louis, the episodes. So what he did was really create his own thing that is like a one-stop shop of all things, Louis C.K. And it's really good. And his mailing list. Yeah. I'm on his mailing list. Me too. And whenever I see an email from Louis C.K., I absolutely click on it because he does it so masterfully.

Yeah, it's interesting and funny and it's entertaining. It's an entertaining little thing that you get. And then he lets you know what he's doing. And he's never pressuring you into like, he's got the perfect balance, I think, of like capitalism and still being an artist. Yep. You know, it's the way to do it. But, you know, everybody's at their own little path. And the problem with someone like Andrew is he's already like really successful.

So it's like asking for money for a special. At this point, people are like, come on, man. Just fucking put it on YouTube. My next one, I'm absolutely determined to have no paywall. Stanhope always said it best. You said basically your special is just an ad to get people to come see. Bill Burr said that. Yeah.

That's really what it is. Right. And, you know, it's also like you've got to retire material. Yeah. You know, just let it go. Oh, it's so hard for me. It's so hard for me. Of course it is.

I got. Of course it is. It's hard for everybody. Yeah. It's hard for everybody. But it's probably even harder for you because a lot of your stuff is physical. So you have to, like, come up with new things that you could do to yourself, stable your lip shut and.

Yeah. Tie your dick to your asshole. I'm so happy with what I've got now. That's good. Yeah. All right. I'm thrilled with it. Okay, so I was telling you, like, I spent this, you know, a couple years, like, really feel, like.

In the darkness. Kind of in the darkness, yeah. And being your feelings. Being very mindful to adjust my approach in a way that I felt really good about. There was, um, the beginning of 2025. And I got like really heavy on like, you know, spirituality and faith. I like, I'm that way anyway. Like I really, I really care about that.

Um, the January of 2025, I get on, uh, I get this opportunity to have Mark Wahlberg on my podcast, right? Like, um, and I'm on there and he's, like, big into his faith. Very Catholic, yeah. Yeah, very big into his Christianity. And I was in the thick of it too at that point. I was like, man, you know, like I've been criticism for being too much of a shill and this and that. It really bothered you that much. It kind of did, yeah, because I think because I was, well, because it was accurate.

It was accurate. It would be absolutely, for example, last time I was here, I'm like, Joe, my butt wipes for my butt hole. And you're like, that's bad for the plumbing. It is bad for plumbing. Right. You can't flush those things. Dude, what I wish I said in that moment when you said how it's bad for plumbing, I had seen on a package of dude wipes.

It said, only flush one at a time and you'll be okay. Uh-uh. Maybe that's true. Now they've got, do I stop selling those fucking things? Don't flush anything other than toilet paper, period. Talk to any plumber. No, I'll tell you. Don't flush anything other than toilet paper.

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But I want to tell people to get it anyway It's a thing called Tushy you put it on you Oh my god my foot dude Every single time I promote Tushy on my podcast I say it is my favorite podcast sponsor that I've ever had And I know that that's not a wise thing to say Like if you're if you think of all the other sponsors I don't care

I don't care. Well, it's not even our sponsor anymore, but I tell everybody. It's not expensive and it's legit and it cleans your butthole and then you just need a little wipe to pat it down. And you're just drying it off. Also, you feel better. Like, you don't feel like you smeared shit all over your bottle. Like, I don't know if you have a hairy asshole, but I do. Yeah.

I'm hairy everywhere. It's chaos down there if I don't trim it. So it's like you're wiping shit on the ass hairs and like, blah. And that's, you know, that's what, like as soon as. I started using the tushy. Then I'm like, oh my God, now, if I ever find myself having to take a shit and there's not a bidet. Right.

Now it's a crisis for me. I know. Now you're like, ew. Now I've got a problem. And that's why having the wet wipes, the butt wipes, like, became so important. Because if I don't have the bidet, like heaven forbid. But if you had shit smeared all over your fingernails and your hand, would you be happy you just using a butt wipe and then having a sandwich?

No, you would not. You would want to wash your fucking hands, right? Butt wipes are okay. It's okay. It's better than not having them, but you have to throw them in the garbage. So then you have a shit smeared wet wipe in the fucking garbage, which is just kind of nasty. You walk in and you can smell the shit and no one's cleaned it yet. So then you have to have a plastic bag liner on your garbage can because otherwise you get.

Those tushy things, I have one. We have them here at all the, it's not a toshy, but it's another company. Right. On all our toilets, we have it at the mothership. Oh my gosh. It's the best. You have to have those things. It changes your life.

And when you get the Tushy Ace, which has the heated seat, the warm water. Warm water is the key. And then it blow dries your puddle. Nice. Nice. It's ready for presentation. Okay, so I sit down with Mark Wahlberg. And I, you know, and I'm talking about this.

and I say how like leaning into faith like really just like it's so important you know like it's so important to me and I had this meaningful conversation right with with Mark Wahlberg about that and then with the day the episode comes out it didn't even occur to me until the day the episode came out I was hiking with my dog through a fucking state park in Tennessee and it strikes me oh my God I had the audacity. As I knew that the episode went out that day, I had the audacity to cut from this thoughtful conversation about faith with Mark Wahlberg to an ad for gambling. I was like, oh my God. I was like, I don't have to be in the comments section to know, to see people saying, what a hypocrite. Like, oh, my God. Wait a minute. How's gambling make you a hypocrite? I mean, I just, I don't think that makes you a hypocrite at all. All, listen, the gambling thing online, which probably address this, is a very hot topic. And a lot of people criticize people for promoting gambling sites online.

The problem is not gambling. The problem is people who are addicted to gambling. So the problem is self-control, right? And I'm not saying I'm a person who's immune to being addicted to gambling. I am sure that given other circumstances in my life, given I could have easily gotten addicted to gambling. but I'm not and I don't mind gambling on stuff I think sometimes it's probably fun

the problem is people you saw uncut gems right oh my god best movie ever that is gambling that is the problem with gambling that movie is Adam's so good fucking amazing movie Adam Sandler killed it in that movie

it's such a good movie but the whole movie I'm going like oh yeah don't get done what the fuck are you doing man don't do that Right. Oh, Jesus, Adam. You know what, I made a decision on that day, hiking with my dog. I said, I'm not going to promote anything unless it's good for people. Wow. Good for you.

I said, I said, like, I don't want to do harm, man. Good for you. I don't think it does harm. I think it does harm if you let it do harm. But I think food does harm if you let it do harm. I think alcohol does harm if you let it do harm. I think marijuana, drugs, all kinds of things, do harm if you let them do harm. Right, but it's just it's in your face. I understand. You know, shit.

And I don't want to participate in that. I just haven't done it since then. I feel good about that. That's good. So all these different things that I've done to be mindful, to feel more good about how I approach my life and my career. And then coming into this year, 26, I was like, oh, man, like, now with the Mr. Beast come out, I'm like, oh, this is going to change my life. We got a new jackass movie coming out. Like, I feel really good about how I've restored my, uh, my, my.

integrity like I feel good about myself for myself and then Joe then I have Harland Williams on my podcast okay this guy is the most genius like them like that it's just like you can't even understand the guy like he's one of the weirdest funny guys of all this this this snake is on this desk because he kept it in his pants the entire episode tell us that he had a tapeworm and then And then he pulled it out at the end of the episode. And I've left it on the desk ever since. And when Trump was in here, I left it on the desk.

And he got so excited. He goes, hey, buddy, thanks for keeping, what did he call it? Thanks for keeping Dimitri on the desk while Trump was in there. He's just such an oddball. He's so magnificent. Such a great guy, too. And I record my podcast in an RV, right? I got like three different RVs that I use for it.

And one I keep in Los Angeles. So we get to Harlan Williams House. some reason I'm driving. I'm the fucking worst driver ever and he's got this small driveway and I'm trying to maneuver it around and I get out of the van and I'm like I don't know how I don't know how I can be such a fucking bad driver and just like that Harlan William says from me he goes it's AIDS Devo you have AIDS just like the most fucking absurd thing and so like going into this podcast I'm like all right like now we're entering the realm of the absurd you know like Let's play with Harlan Williams.

Okay. Okay. At some point in the episode, the most fucking fucking dumb idea that ever popped in my head. But you know, you want to be like a step ahead and like figure out how like we're going to keep this going. Like what am I, you know, like what's where are we going to next? Right. So I say to Harlan Williams, I'm like, I think at one point I said like, I said, how about politics? You know, like just thinking to myself, this absurd guy, if you ask him about politics.

Like how does his absurdity like navigate that and that's what motivated me So then somewhere in in this back and forth like effectively I say like oh yeah well all this shit with ice makes perfect sense because like because the majority of immigrants are murderers right this is the most patently fucking absurd comment that I've ever made on the podcast and Yet after it comes out, it gets clipped on its own and It genuinely looks like I'm not kidding even though you cut to Harlan Williams Oh, but it genuinely looks like I wasn't fucking kidding

Right, and then I open up my phone and it's like basically rotten hell use that like you know like you think like all immigrants are murderers Like Joe I could not be more the opposite of that You know, like... You're being sarcastic. I was... I could not have been more, like... I could not have been less serious. Right.

It was the most absurd fucking deliberately sarcastic thing I'd ever said. And, uh... And dude, I just like, now, now... And I was in this place. I was so excited, like... And I was so excited about doing my podcast. It was going, you know? And then now I'm just like deluged with this tsunami of hate.

And that's what's so... You know, did... Did you respond? I did. Yeah, I just say this is just... I've posted on my Instagram. Okay. Like, for clarification, I said, I can't even...

I said, I was so shocked to believe that this absurd comment that I made was, like, taken seriously. But, like, just, you know, I can't believe I don't have to do this. But for the record, you know, less than 0.1% of the population is ever going to... commit murder. Of course the majority of no group of fucking people is gonna commit murder, but if you want to know how I actually feel, if there's a group of people that's more likely to murder someone, it's ice agent. You know, like, and so then as soon as I post that now, like the whole other half of the world fucking AIDS. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't have said that either. Right, there you go, you know, like, and my sister is, um, my sister is, um,

My voice of reason she like I was like hey what do you think about this and she like made like one small tweak She's like go for it. I just posted that I don't even mind You know like I don't even mind that I feel like if people are gonna hate me Let him hate me for like how I actually feel you know like and I don't dare you Yeah it's my my dad I put my shit on don't do not disturb Maybe your dad goes through because he's like one of your yeah yeah yeah he's on my he's on my speed dial but Yeah, so it was just a terrible fucking episode that I just went through. And we set this up like a couple months ago.

Like this happened like maybe three, four weeks ago. So I was like when I was texting with you, I was like, oh man, I was in a, you know, like shitty place. I feel really rad, dude. Like it'd be great to get together. And then now, since then, I'm like in a shitty place. Yeah, well, you know, obviously that ice subject is a very hot subject. People have gotten mad at me from high takes on it as well. You just have to speak your mind.

Say what you really feel. If I'm honest, I regret all of it. You know, like, you know, I could have worded my clarification in a way that made a lot more sense. I just, it bothered me so much to be so badly misunderstood. Yeah. Well, when you talk sarcastically with a guy like Harlan Williams, when you fuck around and you say things you don't really mean. That's going to happen.

I mean, Duncan is the best at that. Like, Duncan Trustle, he will have entire podcast where he pretends he's in the Illuminati and he'll talk to another comic who pretends he's one of the Rothschilds. Our friend Tony gets, Tony Cacist gets on his podcast, and what does Tony pretend?

A Rockefeller or a Rothschild? One of them. So he, I think it's a Rockefeller. I might be wrong, but, I mean, he dyes his hair for the episode and everything. Like, it's so ridiculous and people think he really is one of those people. Yeah.

Meanwhile, he's a doorman at the mothership. But Duncan will go through an entire podcast without breaking character. They'll talk about how important is to control the population. They'll talk about how important is to, you know, spread misinformation and keep people in the dark and how stupid the plebs are. Yeah, I just like, I'm too fucking sensitive, man. Yeah, well, it seems like it's not just that. you're sensitive. It seems like you're seeking out input. You're seeking, you're seeking out feedback. And I just, I think you're a little too famous for that. I just don't think it's healthy.

Yeah. I've known so many people that are loved, loved by so many. And yet they'll still find the people that hate them and dwell on that. And I've seen it with like very successful people. Yeah. It's just, it's just, Louis said it best, Louis C.K. said it best. He said, the internet is just talk. It's just you're, it's written down so it seems more real, you know, because it stays up there forever. But it's just talk. Just like people talk at a bar, fuck that guy. You know, people say things and they're not necessarily rational. They're not necessarily, their opinions aren't necessarily valuable. Some of them are and some of them aren't. But to go through all that and figure it out, the problem is your brain only recognizes threats, danger, and people that

hate you, right? So you get a hundred people that love you, but one person who says, you fucking suck. And you'll just think about that guy. Oh, no. That guy, he used to be a fan. I unfollowed him a long time ago. At Desjardin, our business is helping yours. We are here to support your business through every stage of growth,

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And you know another thing to that point, here I thought that when this Mr. Beast video came out and I won a million dollars, I gave it to doctors without borders. Like I just thought, oh, man, this is going to be life-altering. and like it came in you know like I had one kid come up to me in an airport and say dude you're steva from Mr. Beath and I was like oh wow different generation but other than that

like my like I thought it would be life altering and it really wasn't you know yeah and then so now like in this this little like this whatever you want to call backlash this like thing like to me it feels like the whole world hates me

you know like when in reality it's Probably not. No, reality. Everybody feels about you the exact same way they did before. Right. It's crazy, man. It's crazy because I'm like, I'll walk around and think like, man, like people are looking at me. Maybe they hate me. I was talking to a friend of mine who was one of the earlier ones to get canceled. This was quite a few years ago. This was like more than 10 years ago. Something happened online and someone said something about something that he said that was patently false. But a lot of people believed it. And he was, you know, he made a, uh, his, uh, his, he made a, uh, his, he made a, uh, his, own statement and but then he said everywhere I go he goes I know this was small and it was only in the

comedy community but everywhere I went I felt like these people hated me they knew who they were and they were judging me so it was like it was tainting my feelings everywhere I went right now imagine being Monica Lewinsky oh my god I know so no internet right right so this is like there's no way to tell whether people are siding with you or not and everybody knows you suck the president's dick and you're 20. And you have to go to the store, you have to date guys. And if you don't blow a guy,

he's like, what the fuck? You're like famous for it. Right. Yeah. Every time she's probably giving head, she's thinking, oh my God, why am I doing this?

This is what got me in all this trouble in the first place. Right. You know, I can imagine that kind of weirdness. Do you remember she did an HBO thing? She did an HBO thing way, way back in the day where she sat down to talk about

what this experience has been like for her. And it was weird because there was a guy in the audience that, like, she was, like, taking questions, I guess. And a guy in the audience was like, why are you doing this? Like, you say you don't want attention, but here you are just getting more attention talking about it. And, like, you could tell, like, she didn't really think that through, like, that someone was going to have that kind of a response.

And it was, like, that was kind of the end of the thing. I think that, like, you know, when you're in that kind of a situation, you want to, on some level of clarify right like you know you want right you want to say your side of it right but your side of it ultimately for most people is going to be trying to make yourself look better right and I think that's a problem yeah that's a problem that because that's very transparent and people kind of know what you're doing I think it's always better like what you just did where you said like maybe I did overreact or maybe I shouldn't have done this maybe that's a stupid thing to say like be much more real about how you feel

about things. Oh, I fucking blew it, Joe. But it doesn't matter, man. I'm telling you, this is all in your head. Everybody still loves you. You're the same guy. The people who love you will always love you, the people who hate you. It's very rare that someone who really loves you hates you. If they do, they're usually mentally

ill and they want to. I remember when I was a kid, people would get mad if bands became famous. And it'd be like, fuck those guys. They're sellouts. And I remember We were in high school, I go, let me get this trait. This is me at like 16. I go, you love them.

You think they're awesome, right? Yeah. I go, but when more people know they're awesome, then they're not awesome anymore because now they're mainstream. He goes, yeah. I go, do you know how fucking dumb that sounds? Either they are awesome or they are not. If they are awesome, more people should know they are awesome.

Right. And we're all just sitting around and a couple of my friends go, yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah, this idea of like being underground is fucking retarded. Like, why would you want that? If you're great, people are going to find out about you. Right. It doesn't mean you sold out.

It just means other people found out you were great. Like, you recognize something. And you think you're unique in your talent to recognize really good music. And only you can appreciate it. And if other people appreciate it, then all of a sudden it's not good. That is the dumbest fucking way to think I've ever encountered in my life. I mean, to be fair, I think that the criticism at that point is when they change. when they're trying to

to reach a more broad audience. But there's a lot of bands like for instance that are not doing that and they just fucking hit. Like people are mad at Nirvana for getting big. Like okay. Right, I couldn't agree with D. Moore. I'm just being a devil's advocate.

Well, I get it. I mean, but it's, my point is it's a human inclination where you feel like you're part of a small select group that really values and appreciate something and all these normies, these fuck heads, listening to fucking Debbie Gibson or whatever they're listening to, you don't want those assholes listening to your super cool music. But if it's like Nirvana, guess what?

It's so good that everyone is going to want to listen to that. And then it becomes big and like, fuck those guys, they're fucking sold out. Right. It's just a dumb. You're just mad at yourself. You're mad at your life. You're mad at your position in this universe. Well, I think that life is just getting really difficult, too.

Well, this is now true. Right. But we're talking about people were doing this back in the fucking. 80s. They've always done this, man. Yeah. This is just how people behave. And you add that to the internet and it's just everything's accelerated. Right. Times 10, times 100, times a million, whatever the fuck it is now.

And this is just the beginning. You know, we're at the brink of something really crazy. As soon as AI takes over our society, which is like within years, we're going to experience the most radical change this civilization is ever experienced. Yeah. Like it's literally a perfect storm with just the unsustainable debt. Well, that's part of it. I mean, that's a big part of it. Yeah, I mean, that's part of it.

But it's like even if there was unsustainable debt, you have an artificial life form that's emerging. That's infinitely smarter than human beings. What I'm saying is that... And has autonomy. The unsustainable debt, like already over a trillion dollars just paying for the interest alone. Right. Like there's all that now like you know other nations central banks whatever like they like the they want to de dollarize they're not buying the United States treasuries the way they were and that's like how the United States has has been able to overspend is because they can sell the treasuries now without people selling the treasuries the only like the only buyer of the treasuries is the Fed and they're buying the treasuries with printing. money. Is that accurate? I think it's pretty, I think it's other countries aren't buying our

treasures anymore? Less so. It's becoming less. Of course, there's still, like, the United States is the most liquid, like, you know, but less so. So when it becomes more difficult for the United States to sell its treasuries, they've got to increase the yield, which means bigger interest payments. So at a certain point, it's like just the paying the interest on the debt. is like a crippling thing and by the Fed printing money the way they're printing you can't inflate the money supply without devaluing the dollar right so inflation more and more is gonna be a thing maybe not whymar Germany or like Zimbabwe inflation but still inflation is not gonna go away you just can't have the money supply

increase without that being the case and so people's purchasing goes down. Their wages aren't going up. So like people are getting more and more squeezed with how much money they can afford to spend. And then on top of that, AI comes and wipes out all their jobs. Yeah. It's spooky. It's spooky. Because no one really knows exactly what's going to happen, you know, or how it's going to happen or how people will be compensated in order to keep society functional. You know, Elon has this utopian vision. of universal high income. Yeah, UBI.

Universal basic income. No, no, no. Universal high income? Yeah, no. His utopian vision is that so much money will be generated from AI that you'll be able to give people universal high income. So they won't have to work. And so they'll be able to do whatever they want to do with their life.

That's the ideal perspective. The problem is, obviously, that people find a lot of identity in their work. Sure. Especially if you went to school for it, you love it. This is the thing you've done. You've been a lawyer your whole life. you've been a doctor your whole life, you've been a this your whole life, and then all of a sudden AI comes in and wipes that out.

And like, what are you going to do? You're going to play golf all day? Right. And then you have a fixed income now because even if it's universal high income, there's no incentive for you to work harder and get more things done and make more money, which is what drives a lot of people and drives a lot of innovation. So then is all innovation left up to artificial intelligence? Is that what we're really going to do?

Because that seems kind of crazy. It's so great. I got to wonder like, what keeps you going to? I mean, like, you're in here doing these podcasts all the time with the UFC with like, you know, like, you don't have to be doing this. Everything I do is fun. I would do everything I do for free. And I do all the time. I do stand up for free all the time.

I do guest bots all the time. Everybody does. Every comic does. Oh, my God. Did I have so much fucking fun at Kill Tony last night? Oh, it's the best show. It's the best show in her. He is so unbelievably talented.

He's the best host of any live comedy show rather. of all time. There's no way. He's so good at it. Like the amount of time when something is presented that he nails the funniest possible thing that you could react. Yeah, like it's written. Like you had a team of writers sitting there for 100% a week coming up with the best line

and it busts off the top of his head and it's always mean. He's the best. Okay. He's the best. I know that he's sensitive about, oh man, he wouldn't have wanted me to say I was on it last night. Why? Because before the show, he'd ask the audience, don't give away the secret of who's the guest.

It doesn't matter. All right. Then I'll say one thing because it was so far. Don't say what happened, because this show's going to come up before that happens. Don't do that. I'll tell you out. It's just, suffice it to say that Tony Hinchcliff has got to be the fastest, wittiest fucking comic I've ever. Well, he's the best at that format.

And he created it, right? So it's like a genius idea. Have comics do one minute Dude, comics have done one minute The first time they've ever been on stage At Madison Square Garden in front of 16,000 people And fucking ate dick Right

It's a great show And then he has, you know, guys like Dave Attell, Shane Gillis, Hugh, fucking Harlan is like one of the greatest guests of all time Donnell. Yeah, yeah, Donnell's amazing He's got, I mean there's just so many.

Right, and like... Kyle Dunnigan, who does like five different characters that are incredible. Yeah, such high-level comics. Uh-huh. Adam Ray. I mean, maybe, well, right, but I'm saying like high-level feature comics.

Uh-huh. You know, who aren't, like, super known. Who do one minute as well. They're so good. They're seeking out to go. I brought my opener from tour. A guy who's not, like, widely known, but I just love him,

and he's so funny, so good. Like, he... And he put his name in the best. barrel. Put the name of the barrel. That's the thing, too. If people asking me to get them on Kill Tony, I cannot. No one can.

That is true. That barrel is legit. That barrel is legit. You reach into that barrel. Tony grabs whatever piece of paper his hands touch and he pulls it out and that's how it's always been done and that's how he's always going to do it. Because people come to him all the time. Hey, could you get my friend on the show?

He's like, I cannot do that. That is the show. Thank God. It's got to be chance. It's got to be chaos. That's part of the fun of it. Right. And then every now and then, someone that you've never heard of comes up and does a minute and everybody goes, fuck yeah, that was awesome.

And they kill it and all of a career. Right. It's great. Okay. It's the cornerstone of stand-up, too. It really is. Because it's wild. It's like there are no rules.

It's no holds barred. And it's, you've got great comics on the panel. And it has launched careers. For sure. Because of that, like, it is so important for us having killed Tony at the club. It's so important because it sets the tone for all these comics to know, like, hey, this isn't just like some random thing of, I don't know what I'm doing, how do I figure it out, how do I get seen? Like, there's a pathway. And if you can get on Kill Tony and if you can work your ass off before then and build up a real solid routine and go on there and kill it, you can have a fucking career.

It's real. Yep. And then the club has two nights of open mic nights and there's a real development program and the real talent coordinator, Adam Egan, who wants to be. Watch his sets and gives you feedback. The opener that I'm talking about, and he drove all the way from Tampa to be there last night. His name's Chris Harvey. I love.

He's 6'4, 480 pounds. Like, missing tooth, beard, funniest guy. Where's he from? He's from Ohio. Is it Dayton? I'm not sure where or not. But I was at a comedy club in Fort Wayne Indy. Anna. And he just, they just set him up to open for me. I watched his set. I was like,

what are you doing for the next three weeks? Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. So did he get up on the open mic night? He, yeah, that's why I texted Tony like, hey, I've got this opener. Can I get him on? And Tony said, I can get him in the bucket. Who knows what I'll pull him out. But I can also get him on the open mic to perform for the booker. So he did that. Nice. Nice. Yeah. It's important that you can't just get on the show. Yeah, that's great. His phone would be just overrun with people, get my boy on, and then some of them suck.

That makes perfect sense. Yeah, you have to just let it happen. If they suck, they suck, they don't. You know, it's like anything can happen. And that's part of the beauty of it. It's like a real magical moment when you reach into that bucket, and you pull out a name and Bob Smith, and then Bob Smith comes on out and gives it a shot.

I mean, I did. I just had so much fun, man. I don't like being on the end. because you're too close to these psychos you never know like I'm always on edge you want to be like protected by like one body apologies to Tony for giving away

that I was on it last night he's not going to care that you know I want to talk about I watched Brian Callan's special very recent at the mothership like it was like you got all these people like

whenever anybody put that to about fucking comedy is it's so subjective that like it's just anybody can shit on a special if they want and I saw these like the YouTube videos like all Brian Callan's is the most worst bomb is going to like end his current I was like come on like let me

I was there let me watch this I fucking enjoyed the hell out of Brian Callan special is one that he just taped at the mothership that's great you got to stop paying attention to people yeah I enjoy people want it to suck. Like, there's people that think everything,

they think Chappelle's last special sucked. There's people, oh my God, can we talk about that? I didn't, I haven't seen it yet, so. Okay, the, but I heard it was awesome. The Riyadh, from people that I trust.

The Riyadh comedy festival, right? Like, it was such like an apocalyptic, fucking nuclear bomb in the world of the world. Did you go to that? I didn't, no, but like, there was so much backlash for people who went to it.

And there were, like, individual, comics had their their their own way of kind of defending their move to you know a lot of comics were very defensive about how they went and and a lot of them maybe like were seemed a little bit disingenuous about like about in their defense and then dude Dave Chappelle puts out this special and so unapologetic about him being at the Riyadh comment it was just like it was so fucking masterful. He's a master. The way he was just like oh like I went to Riyadh and got paid like a

fucked out of money to do comedy and like so unapologetic and it was just like oh my god. Well the idea is that you support the regime by doing stand-up over there which I think is crazy because you're doing it for the audience members and the audience members have no say in who their government is. They're literally a monarchy. I'm not even I don't even have a judgment whatsoever especially because have I ever not watched a UFC event because it happened in Saudi Arabia? Fuck them. Or Dubai or wherever.

Right. You don't do that with sporting events, but you do it with comedy. I think the idea is that comedians are supposed to be social commentators and they're supposed to carry a baton for free speech. And one of the particularly egregious things

that's been attributed to Saudi Arabia was the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, who was a journalist from the Washington Post, who was killed at the Turkish embassy and they cut him up with a fucking bones. saw and some dark shit. Yeah, I get it. I get the criticism and I get people saying, well, I'm going to perform for my audience

and my audience is over there. And if they say, I can't make fun of, I think you can't make fun of the monarchy. You can't make fun of the leaders or the government and you can't make fun of Islam or religion. I think maybe it might just be religion, period. Yeah, I think it was you can't be disparaging of Islam or the royal family. Yeah. All right. You've got to decide then if you know what those the parameters are, you know, if you, maybe it doesn't fit with your act at all.

Or maybe, like, I don't have any bits about the royal family. Right. Or I could just go over and do my act for a bunch of people uncensored. Right. I mean, I thought about it. I see both sides. I don't give a shit one way or the other. My only input here is that Dave Chappelle, like, checkmated the whole fucking team.

He handles everything perfectly. And again, he's not on social. media. He's not paying attention to people's opinions of them. You cannot because there's so many people that have decided that he was a horrible transphobe for telling a story about his transgender friend. Like, I mean, literally he told this story about this person in his act and people didn't care because he made jokes about trans people. Like, of course, it's in the public eye. This idea that you can't joke about something is, if there's a thing you can't joke about, that thing is fucked up. And that's why the Lakota used to have like a sacred clown.

They called it a Hayoka. And a Hayoka was like a member of the community that was supposed to make fun of everything. And if you couldn't make fun of anything, then you knew something was wrong with that thing. Because if there's a thing that you can't joke around about, that thing has been compromised. Right. Because you can kind of joke around about everything if it's actually funny. No matter what it is. Sure.

Even tragedy given enough time, you can joke around about it. Yep. I mean, you could do a 9-11 joke right now and no one's going to blink. Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything. Like packing a spare stick. I like to be prepared. That's why I remember, 988, Canada's Suicide Crisis Helpline. It's good to know, just in case.

Anyone can call or text for free confidential support from a train responder anytime. 988, suicide crisis helpline is funded by the government in Canada. Oh my God, you remind me of what I think was the funniest fucking tweet that I ever saw from Jeff Ross. going back the year i want to say was like uh 2016 the magic castle in los angeles there was uh like in the magicians you know what a magician was found hanging in a closet in the magic castle yeah he committed suicide had taken his own life yeah that morning jeff ross tweeted that his last words were abracadabre That's

That's fucking funny That's such a Jeff Ross type joke That's a Tony Hitchcliff type joke too Yeah Yeah I mean If there's a thing that you can't make fun of That thing is usually bullshit

And if that thing is trans people Like then you're You are ignoring That there's a glaring hole In this narrative that you're trying to push And whether or not people are accepting that narrative You know, I'll be spilling out some of the step that I have in my current hour, and I really don't mind. For me, I feel like the bar has got to keep getting higher and keep getting higher.

So as I went into putting it together this new hour that I'm touring with, one of my multimedia bits, like, ended up not being a really great idea, but I thought, I'm going to get a fucking boob job. Oh, yeah, I heard about that. Right. Did you do it? I didn't. I was within 10 hours of being under the knife. And like the universe just intervened, right?

Because they have to cut your muscle, man. Right. Well, like, I mean, you know the... Don't they? Or do they go under the skin? They go through your nipples? You can do it in multiple different ways. I was told...

I was interested in just the idea... Because, like, I'm now in my 50s, right? And so, like, my whole new hour is, is the theme of it is how the fuck is Steveo supposed to be in his 50s, you know? Like, and so with the putting the stuff up my butt section is like the importance of, like, we're at an age, we got to get prostate exams, colonoscopies, you know, that's a real thing. And so I'm trying to, like, destigmatize the prostate exam. Right. Sure you are. Right.

Definitely not putting things up your ass for entertainment. I'm blending it together and it's pretty awesome and uh you know one of my things is like um you know it's a right of passage for men in middle age to one day you realize holy fuck I'm getting tits you know like like uh I I noticed it one time I'm like I'm fucking I got dimples you know like actual fucking underboob over here

and it's fucking like I'm this wasn't supposed to happen to me And so that kind of was my motivation. I'm like, if this is going to happen, then like I'm lashing out at father time. I'm going to get a boob job. So I had the guy, famous plastic surgeon from botched Terry Dubrow on my podcast. Is he one of those guys that fixes people? Yeah, botched. He's great.

I love that guy. Happened to be brothers with the lead singer of Quiet Riot, too. No way. Yeah. Come on, feel noise. Terry D. Brougham And that's crazy He was epic

So on the podcast I was like hey I'm thinking about For wild crazy stunt Like a boob job And then just like film a bunch of pranks And stunts and then get it out You know like wild publicity stunt I feel like the whole world's gonna know about it

And he had me take off my shirt And he's like Yeah your skin is already loose enough You could fit double D implants He says But you gotta get him out within two months or the stretching would be unmanageable. And I'm like, and in my head, I'm thinking this is the loudest, fucking craziest.

Like this is where the bar is at, you know, like that. You need better friends. You really do. The level of commitment to do something that fucked up. Like, I just thought, and I was really into the idea. And I got, I got super close. Call me next time. just fucking call me dude

Dana said the same thing Yeah don't do that Dana said the same thing But so now Like I had blabbed it to the media Which is why you'd heard about it That so You know there are all these articles

It's the night before my fucking operation And I get a phone call Like from the doctors Whatever guy He says hey buddy we hit a snag man Like the anesthesiologist backed out You know we gotta reschedule the surgery I'm like fuck man

So now the next day they're trying to reschedule it. And I'm buying groceries in the supermarket in L.A. And the person ringing me up on the cash register is, like, seems pretty evidently transgender. And I'm just like, dude, it's like the fucking universe has given me signs over here, you know? And so, like, I asked this, didn't even occur to me up to this point that I'm going to, like, run it by anybody. because I'm like, my body, my choice. Who cares? You know, I'm doing a dumb stunt to, like, you know, be crazy.

But in this situation, talk to this transgender person, like, hey, can I run something by you? And I spoke with them. They described to me a level of oppression that genuinely fucking broke my heart. They said, hey, let me tell you. Like, I am not allowed to use the bathroom at my own place of work. We've got, like, politics. That's not true. They're just not allowed to use the bathroom.

bathroom it doesn't align with their biological sex. Okay. But you've got to realize they're not all, listen, I genuinely think there's people that feel like they are in the wrong biological sex. Right. But there's also people that are fucking perverts and they have a thing called autogynophilia. And what that is is they get a turn on by pretending to be a woman. They get excited by it and they want to be around women and they're creeps.

And so you give them a fucking Willy Wonka golden ticket to go into the women's locker room and the women's bathroom and stare at women to pretend you're a woman when you're just a crazy man and you're actually into women. Okay. That's real too, man. I don't doubt that that's real and I know that it's a super complex, nuanced thing. And I don't... Yeah, but here's what's not complex. What is your chromosomes? Right.

Okay? This is the same thing for competing. All these fucking mental gymnastics that seeming. that seemingly intelligent people do to justify biological males competing with females. I don't think anybody's already on that. It's the same thing.

It's the same thing. Right. And especially speaking as a man who has daughters, like, there are creeps. And if you give a creep, and I'm not saying all trans people are creeps. Right. But a lot of these fucking people

that are in trouble for going into women's bathrooms dressed as a woman with a fucking beard and a heart on are just that. They're creeps. They're crazy men. And these crazy men, their entire life, they would get beaten up for that. Now all of a sudden, they have to be accepted. So you've got two things going on at the same time. For sure. You've got people with gender dysphoria that genuinely wish they were a woman or genuinely wish they were a man. And by the way, it's men that are the problem. No one gives a fuck about trans men going into the men's bathroom. Come on in. Who cares? Who cares? Oh, a girl. girl's going to shit next to you? Or what is she going to do? She's going to pee out of a funnel. What is she going to do? Like, no one's going to get hurt. No one's going to get hurt. This is the problem. When you allow perverts to have this hall pass to go into women's locker rooms and

bathrooms. So you can't say you're not allowed to use the bathroom where you work. That's not true. You're just not allowed to use the women's room where other women are in there because you're not a woman. And I know you wish you were a woman or whatever's going on. Okay. But you're not. You make a very, very good point. If you're a woman, talk to most women about this. And it's, unless they're insanely captured by this woke ideology where they can't see reality in the fact that perverts are still a real fucking thing.

Yeah. And this loophole. You've given loopholes. Like, there's men in prison. I think it's like 47 biological males in California are housed in women's prisons. Some of them are sex offenders. Some of them in Canada, there's a guy in Canada that they had to pay for his boob job while he was in jail for being a sex offender and they put him in a women's prison. Yeah.

I'm not arguing with any of that. There's men who have pretended to be women, gone into women's prison, had sex with women and impregnated them. There's men who have sexually assaulted and raped women in prison that are pretending to be women. With functional dicks, all they have to do is identify, air quotes. When you just have to identify, that's it? No operation, no nothing, identify. That is bonkers. And do you think they're giving them estrogen when they get in prison?

Do they give hormone replacement therapy to people in prison? I don't know. I don't know. But even then, it's still a man with estrogen. You can't escape your fucking chromosomes, okay? And until you can, until there's some sort of a crisper thing that you really want to be a woman, we can turn you into an actual woman. Until that happens, what you're dealing with is a form of gender dysphoria, which has always been classified as a mental illness, until people became much more empathetic and sensitive to people that have this problem.

Right. And you make a completely valid argument. Nobody should be able to tell you you can't do something fucking stupid like get a boob job because they are transgender. That's crazy. I understood. Understood. My experience was that I didn't get any of this, like, you know, since that this was a creepy pervert, anything like that. I just thought, man. They don't have to be a creepy pervert. Right. Right. But it's still a man. I understood. I just thought, man, I heard what they had to say, but, you know, politicians trying to put them in internment camps.

Who's doing that? What politicians are saying they should be put in interment camps? I think that there was some kind of... There might be one kook out there that's saying that to try to get attention. There's no movement to try to put transgender people in internment camps. Okay. Well, then I'll land on this. Do you know who's killed more people than ICE this year?

Trans shooters. Do you know the majority of these high school shootings have been transgender people? I did not know that. Yeah. How many of them? there was one recently and yeah it's a lot of them you know why because they're giving them psych medications they're giving them a bunch of crazy hormones and a lot of them probably have mental struggles already and they're ostracized from society and fill in the blank and then they're empowered by thinking

that the you know that the world has done something bad to them and that there's like a genocide against trans people and they attack jk rowling and they attack all these people martina navartolo who's like a famous lesbian for being a bigot because she doesn't want biological men competing with women in tennis. It's nuts, man. And it's like either you go by biology or you do not.

Either you go by X, Y, chromosome or then you're in this weird fucking gray area where someone could just tell you they're a woman. That's how you get men in women's prisons. Yeah. All right. You've convinced me. It doesn't mean you can't be kind. Yeah.

It doesn't mean you can't. I try to be kind to everyone. And if I meet someone who's trans, if they want me to call them Stacy or whatever, like, I know a couple trans people. My friend Jim Norton is married to a trans woman. I'm super cool with them, hug her every time I see her. I'm cool with that. But at the end of the day, if I was a woman, I want biological women in my, I think the solution is individual bathrooms whenever feasible. And if you want to have an all-gender bathroom, good luck with you.

the legal ramifications of that if it's a bar because then any guy can fucking go in there and any guy and girl can get a if it's a multiple stall bathroom right but the solution is x y chromosome and the solution is like if a guy walks into the men's room with a dress on and he's trans just leave him alone leave him alone let him go to the bathroom like what is the big deal yeah you're like at the end of the day we have to understand that like what is more important one person's feelings or the safety of all these women and the safety of all these women is much more important. Yep.

So you got to be kind to people, but also you got to have rules. There's a reason why there's a woman's room and a men's room. It's because some men are fucking creeps. And if you allow those creeps to just put on a dress, well, you, and again, I'm not saying all trans people are like this at all, but you can't have that loophole. You can't, let's like you can't have an open border. It doesn't mean that all immigrants are murderers, and you don't think that either, right? I don't.

But some people that sneak across the border if you don't check. are going to be murderous. It's just a fact. Yeah. So you have to have a fucking closed border to check, and you have to have a gender border too. Yep. Well, God damn it.

And my only takeaway from my experience that I was relating to you is that it made me feel compassionate. Well, that's nice. And I want to be a good... That's good. A better reason would be it's fucking stupid. You get a boob job.

Don't do it. No one's going to like you more. I think you're cool because you got a boob job at 52. I'm glad. I'm glad. How old do you know? 51. Yeah, that's too old for a boob job.

Yeah. Even if you're a girl. I'm, uh, unless he just got divorced. You're like, I need some new dick. I got to go. I'm really glad that I didn't do it. Yeah, me too. If you were here with a boob with two giant boobs, I'd be like, I don't know what to say to this guy.

This is so stupid. You know who was, who was into the idea. I thought it was fucking really funny. It was Byrd. Of course. Of course. Also, he has his own boobs. Right.

Burke goes back and forth, but he's like. now. He quit drinking for like six months. Oh, man. And he's... Yeah, a little bit of a health scare. His, uh, fucking sitcom on Netflix is really good. It's really good. He's funny, man. He's a fun dude. It's just like, he's another guy that is like a little overexposed. He does so much promotion and so much stuff like you. You know, like to talking about that thing where you get the, the negative feedback, you got a lot of negative feedback for over-promoting shows. But don't listen. Don't watch it.

Who cares? Right. If you think he's promoting himself too much, just don't pay attention. Let me run this bite. There's shit to be angry about in the world. Sure. Burke Kreischer promoting a comedy special is not on that list. Right.

Let me run this bite. Okay. Okay, so I decide, like, I'm only going to promote things that are healthy or at the very least don't do harm. Okay. I felt really good about that. All right. So what are you promoting that you have a problem with?

I see this guy Brian Johnson. Oh, the guy wants to live forever. Yeah, the guy wants to live forever. I'm fascinated by him. I had him on my podcast, and, you know, he's a unique guy. But I see him, he's on this warpath against AG1. And I'm like, God damn. I'm like.

Right, but he sells a competing supplement. Right, that sounds like. Here's the thing about each one. For what it's worth, I drink AG1 every goddamn day. It's vitamin. It's a multivitamin. It's not the end-all, be-all. It's going to fix your health.

But vitamins are good for you. And if you can get vitamins and a simple travel pack like AG1 has and throw them in your book bag and take them with you places, it's better than not having vitamins. Period. That's it. That's all it is. Yeah. I think part of the problem that people have with AG1 is maybe they overstated some of the benefits of the probiotics and prebiotics. like when people have analyzed the nutrient density of these packs and what the ingredients is, that's been their criticism.

But criticizing a multivitamin that you're taking in a liquid form, like that seems kind of silly. Like is it going to be the best thing that you've ever done for your health? No, being in shape and eating well is the best thing you've ever done for your help. But having like some sort of nutritional insurance, some sort of a little thing, a little thing that you add to your food every day. It's your, you know, your... It's designed to fill in the gaps in your diet. It's a good thing to have vitamins. Period.

That's it. Vitamins are good. And it tastes good. It's simple. A lot of people say aging one doesn't taste good. I like the way it tastes. You know, and if you think it's too expensive or you think it's not good enough, then, okay, don't take it.

Whatever. But if you take it, it's not bad for you. There's a lot of things that are bad for you. Age1's not bad for you. It's fucking vitamins. It's pretty simple. Pretty simple stuff. Okay, good.

Take it or don't take it. Who cares? You know, people worry too much, again, about stupid fucking shit. You have a brief amount of time of this. You're halfway dead, Bubba. You know, you don't have much time on this planet to be worrying about stupid shit. Thank you, Joe. Yeah.

Thank you. Don't. Don't do it, man. Okay, I just want to be a good guy. Yeah. That's my thing. Then just be a good guy. Yeah.

But don't worry about it all the time. Good. That shit ain't good for you. Yeah. Don't be in your head. You know what? You're in your head worrying about your public image. You're in your head worried about where you are.

in your career, you're in your head, just do your best. Just do your best all the time. Yeah. If you enjoy what you're doing and you do your best, everything's going to be fun. Yeah. Or not. Or you die. You know, like, you can't control that either.

So what do you just keep going? Yeah. Just stop being in your head. Everybody is like, you know, you've got this all mapped out and a lot of what you're mapping out as other people's opinions of you. And like, oh, there's no better way to fuck up your life. life than to live for other people's opinions. There you go.

Yeah. Do self-auditing, do some self-assessing, you know. There's many times in my life when I'm unhappy with myself. And so I don't, I fix it. Figure it out. Fix it. Do better. Fix that.

Fix this. Don't do as much of that. Do less of this. Do more of what you think is good, you know? Yeah. Try to be a nicer person. Try to be kind. Like, it's like you can, but don't sit around worrying about what

Each individual commenter thinks about you. God, that's crazy for you. You're absorbing too much negativity. And this is the message that I give to everybody. Look, there's a great benefit to social media. It's an amazing tool, and it's changed society. However, it's just like gambling. It's just like pornography.

It's just like food. You can get wrapped up in it, and it can be your whole fucking life if you let it. It's been over a decade since I watched porn. That's awesome. Yeah. Good for you. And some people, it's been about five minutes. Some people are watching porn on a split screen right now while they're watching this.

They're jacking off right now to a gang bang while they listen to Steveo talk about how, oh, you're missing out. You know how many people are subscribed to Only fans? We were looking this up the other day. It's like, what are the numbers of Americans? It's something shocking. It's some insanely shocking number. It's like 100 plus million subscribers to Oni-Nus. Only fans.

Man. And then with women, it's somewhere between like the ages of 18 to like 20 something. It's like 10% of the population is on OnlyFans. As content? As content creators. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's what's weird. It's because like if you think about it, if you fuck on camera, right, you're kind of, you're porn star, right? but maybe you're only fucking your boyfriend. Maybe you wear a mask. Okay. But you're, are you doing it for money? What if you have sex with other people for money? Is that prostitution?

So what if they just said, well, let's just legalize prostitution. Do you know how many fucking people would become prostitutes if they got desperate? Like Uber driver, prostitute. Right. You know? What do you do? Like, there's a lot of people who would go into prostitution. And some people think they should have that right to do that.

And it should be freedom and freedom of expression and. freedom of occupation and then other people go, that might not be the best for society. I had this crazy thought at one point. What are the numbers for OnlyFans? There's no official numbers. It's somewhere in the range of 100 to 150 million, but only 4% of those are actually people who pay. Oh, how's that work? They're free accounts.

Oh, okay. So what percent is people that pay? Sorry. 4%. Four? 4.2. Four? Oh, so there's 100 million people accessing free content and 4% of the users actually compete paid transactions.

Wait a minute, but does it cost money to join? Nope. It doesn't cost to join. It's up to the person who's making the content. So is a paid transaction mean you subscribed? Depends. So like, so if you go on OnlyFans, you have to subscribe to each person's content, right? Yes.

Okay. So it's only 4% that are doing that. So over 100 million creepers, they're just checking it out. Well, that's where you go. People have multiple accounts. Right. That's a good point. Why?

Well, various reasons I wouldn't get into it. Jamie's got multiple accounts? I've never subscribed to one other things. Of course not. I was joking. So 4% is not as much, but it's still. People that are paying, four or five million people. Yeah, still a lot.

Paying. And what are the percentage of young girls that are on only fans as content creators? And they're not all showing the cooch. Some of them are just a little nip slip, maybe just a bikini shot, you know, G-string, bend over. But it's still. But then you've got like the bad baby chick, make like $50 million on there. I know, that's crazy. What did she do on there?

I don't know. I have no idea. According to these numbers, four to four point six million creators worldwide with one million of them being in America. Oh, that's it? So when they said it's 10% of girls 18 to 49, what percentage of girls,

not 18 to 25, I think that was the number. What percentage of girls put that in 18 to 25 in America are having a count on only fans? Percentage of girls between 18 to 25 in America have an account on only fans.

Okay, let's see here. Let's see what it says. 10%. 14% of American women age 18 to 24 have an only fan's account. That's crazy, dude. That is really crazy.

That's crazy. 14% of American women age 18 to 24 have an only fan's account. That is wild. It's just an estimate, though, just for argument's sake. Yeah.

Because there are not official numbers. I don't think in any way. I had this crazy thought. Hypothetically. That's a crazy estimate. Hypothetically, if you had like a brick and mortar establishment with a bunch of chicks in there. Or else you mean. Right.

Yeah. And an ordained minister so that like a guy could walk in, pick out a woman and marry them on the spot. So then now that's your wife. and you are consummating your marriage, that's got to be totally legal, and then as you leave the establishment, you annul the marriage. Is that not like,

would that not just automatically... That's a loophole. That's the prostitution loophole. Well, one thing you could do is you could have a thing where you could fall in love immediately and get married and then give someone citizenship. Right.

But as soon as you... But they come and visit you. They want to see if you're like really, in love like they're like how long you guys know each other. It's crazy. Let me see you hold hands. Let me see a kiss. I know a bunch of people who have gotten married for just citizenship. Oh yeah, I know a dude

who married a girl for citizenship. Yeah. But you gotta stay married. Yeah. He did it for her. She was, uh, fuck, where was she from? I forget. But they didn't even really have a relationship. I think she was from Russia. They didn't really... They seemed to attend to be

from Russia. Yeah, it was just like they made a deal. I think it was a financial deal. This is the 90s. He's dead now. Okay, I want to ask you, do you believe in reincarnation? I don't not believe in it. I think that there's like pretty, like, solid evidence.

It's like, if not irrefutable, but like you got little kids that are, like, giving, like, details that check out total, like, you know, and they know, like... There's another alternative. That alternative is genetic memory. And so we know that some memories are transferred through genes. And this is one of the reasons why arachnophobia exists. Araknophobia is an irrational fear of spiders.

Right. The idea is that at some point in your genetic lineage, someone got really fucked up by a spider. Either you witness someone dying from a spider bite or you almost died from a spider bite, and that memory is transferred through the genes. The same with a phidiaophobia, which is a fear of snakes. There's irrational fears that some people have, that they attribute to a possible genetic memory. And then there's also, there's genetic memories like that are in animals that we know for a fact.

Like, a dog does not have to be taught. Like, I have a golden retriever. Marshall. Marshall, he's the best. And you don't have to teach Marshall to bring a ball back. He's a retriever. He has some sort of a genetic memory. And he also, I didn't have to teach him to pee on a bush and lift his leg.

Like, he knew how to do that. Right. It's in their system, right? There's a bunch of things that are in their system. They see animals. They get excited. They want to bite them. Like, it's not a learned behavior.

Like, that dog's super well fed, but he will fuck a squirrel up if he catches it. Why? Because it's in his genetics. It's in his... Planetary instinct. Right. So then with humans, think about all the different things that humans learn and think of all the different fears that humans have and how many of them are programmed.

Like Rupert Sheldrick had a really important point once about what children are afraid of. He goes, do you think about it? What are children afraid of? They're afraid of monsters in the dark, right? They're not afraid of child molesters or murders or rapists, and their car accidents. They're not afraid of things that really can harm them. They're afraid of monsters. And most children, especially living in a city, have never seen a monster, right?

So why are they afraid of this thing? Well, it's because there's a genetic memory of us being preyed on by cats and big cats who killed people forever. hid in the trees, they hid in the dark, and you would go out to get water and they'd fuck you up and kill you. And so that is in little kids' memories. So if there's these kind of peripheral, abstract memories or really radical, sharp memories that don't make sense, like arachnophobia and things like that, it's so possible that it's not just those things that are transferred through the genetics, but also learned experiences and maybe even information. You just don't have a way expressing it yet. It's one of the reasons why you'll notice that a lot of the children of talented

musicians are really talented, even when they're adopted, even when they grew up in different families. They might have never even been around that parent, but they have like some sort of innate musical talent or literary talent or something. I think there's some things that get transferred in DNA that we're not totally aware of. It's not like you get a menu list of all the things that you got from your parents. Oh, look, my dad was into history. That's why I'm into history. Look at all these things.

I think there's a lot of stuff that transfers that maybe gets filed away and maybe other people have access to those memories that you don't. Like, there's weird levels of memory retention. We were talking about Mary Lou Hennar from Taxi the other day. What's that disease she has?

It's not a disease. It's the opposite of a disease. It's an amazing ability. She has this incredible ability. You can tell her, July 2nd, 1976. She could tell you it was a Tuesday. She could tell you what happened.

What was in the news? Who did what? What she did? What color she was wearing? Highly superior autobiographical memory. Now, imagine if that, whatever that is, that incredible memory, is passed genetically, occasionally and passed into some children. And then they don't just get the memory of their own life, but they get the memory of previous

lives that other people have lived. Okay. So you think about how many different generations of human beings had to exist before Steevo was born. You have all of this DNA and all of this information inside of your genes, supposedly. Maybe you can access some of that. And that some of it that you're accessing might be what we're calling reincarnation. Okay.

What is this, Jamie? This is the doctor who is a specialist in reincarnation at the University of Virginia. His name's Dr. Jim Tucker. He's continuing the work of a previous doctor. I think Hammond is his last name. Interesting. These are the two most repeated stories I've heard about that day that people talk about. There's a kid that repeat stories of plane crash when he was a pilot.

He's got a lot. There's further videos I've watched on this kid. So many details are insane. Details verified against historical records of a pilot who died 50 years earlier matching exactly despite no prior family exposure. Okay. Well, that's very different. He went and met people and recognized them, I think, and even pointed out some of the things.

Okay, so that, but here's the thing. If that kid is not related in any way to this person who died from the plane crash, I don't believe so. Then we're talking about something totally different then. But what you are getting at, there is discussions of this kind of overall work. I think it's on here where people talk about that. It's, like, Deepak Chopra says it's a little bit like quantum physics. So how this happens isn't known, obviously, because this guy even says,

It starts, I think, between, like, age two and by age five or so, all the memories are kind of gone and they don't remember this stuff anymore. Wow. It's, like, very flea. You can't really ask a lot of questions. They have to just tell you. And if you start asking too many questions, they freak out some of the kids start crying and they don't need, like, it goes away. Whoa. It's very odd, but there's.

Well, what's really odd is that it goes away. Yeah. That's really odd. And then, as you were saying with Mary Lou Henner, hers doesn't even start until she was age 11. Interesting. So she doesn't have time. It's always little kids. It's always little kids.

kids that have memories of past lives and they're supposed to name the the Dalai Lama based on a kid having a memory you know it's supposed to be a reincarnation thing

you know I'm fascinated by that and also kind of in the same vein of it so many irrefutable examples of where consciousness is evident separate from the brain.

Like you've got the, you know, like people with no brain activity whatsoever, you know, like they're officially dead. You know, they're in the hospital. And they wake up, come back to life, whatever the case may be. And they're explaining to the doctor what was happening while they were unconscious. And to the extent that that can maybe be explained for what, you know, they were in the room. a lot of these cases, they wake up and they say what the doctor was doing in a different part of the hospital. You know, like there's a case of a guy, a doctor, he was like, had a patient and, you know, he's in the cafeteria at the hospital.

He gets like spills spaghetti on his shirt or something. He's like, oh, man, I got a stain on my shirt. And so he like puts his lab coat, you know, over it and does it up. And then the patient wakes up and says, oh, yeah, so you spilled the shit on your shirt, you know? Like, there's a lot of evidence of consciousness, like, operating separate from the brain. And I had the most fascinating conversation with Duncan Truzzle about the idea that the brain is not a generator. It's not a transmitter. It's an antenna.

Yeah. It's an antenna. Yeah. You know, and that explains a lot of stuff to me, you know, about the soul. I was saying, like, to Duncan Truzzle, imagine that we're like more, we're more of a radio, like an antenna, you know, like you can take a radio and with a sledgehammer just smash it to smithereens. You've done nothing to disrupt the actual signal. So, you know, that signal can now tune in, be picked up by another reason. And that kind of explains reincarnation to me on some level.

And Duncan Truzzle hears that. He goes, yeah. And he got so many fucking people walking around. They don't realize they're a radio. They think they're the fucking Beatles. That's hilarious. Yeah. Duncan's so funny.

He's so good. It's such a unique human. Yeah. And so all of this stuff is like super fascinating to me. It is interesting. but there's no answers. So it's like, there's a reason why so many societies and so many civilizations for a long time have believed in reincarnation, afterlife, that there's some sort of disembodied consciousness.

There's a reason. Conscious. But then it gets really weird. It's like they've also believed in beings that have come down from the heavens. So what are those things? Yeah. What are those things? What's that about?

Who are those people? How about near death experience? Well, near-death experiences you could attribute to a lot of things, right? One of things you could attribute to is an endogenous dump of psychedelic chemicals that we know the brain makes under stress. And one of the big ones is dimethythotryptamine, which we know your body makes. And there's a lot of people that think that it's sort of a chemical gateway and that what you're doing is getting a peek into the afterlife. That when you're having these DMT experiences and that when you're having these DMT experiences and that when you're in a near-death experience, that's your brain flooding with DMT to prepare you for leaving this world.

Okay. It's just weird that they all have a very similar thing about going through a tunnel and a light at the end of the tunnel. It's like this, it's a journey. And what is, you know, I haven't had a near-death experience. I don't know what it's like. You know who had one, Jeremy Renner. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. With the snowmobile accident.

Like, I'm so fascinated by near-death experience. videos on YouTube. You've got thousands of people who have had the experience of dying, been on the other side, and they describe what's called life review. There's the saying that everybody's familiar with

that when you die, your life flashes before your eyes. However, the way that these people describe it, it's that on the other side of death, like as a spirit, like somehow the concept of time

is like doesn't apply anymore. So you've got like, it's not like that your life flashes before your eyes because time isn't like, there's no time constraint. So you've got like, you know, unfathomable like immersion, you know, without time. And that it's not that you're, you know,

experiencing your life as you experienced it, but rather you're, they describe experiencing your life in the most like, you know, I guess, important memorable moments from the perspective of the people who you influenced you know the people who you had an impact on and it's not just from their perspective but in this near-death experience life review the way that they describe it you are those people you know it's like and and every uh you know all the scriptures all the spirituality like there's this this the idea that that's separation is illusion that at the end of the day that there's only oneness we're all one thing

we're all eyes in the same head you know we're all the same thing wearing different costumes right so that begs the question like why are we separate like what's the purpose for experience like the as I understand it I the way that that you know what I've bought on to is that the universe you know everything you know like God oh in the absolute form, God as one thing cannot have experience because there's nothing to relate to, you know. And so God in the absolute sense is kind of a, it's pure love, it's this pure awesome but it's very lonely, you know, proposition.

So the idea of the separation is the universe, God like blasts itself into infinite different things to create the realm of the relative. So now there's, you know, we have the separation. So now we can relate to it. This allows for God to experience itself, which you would never be able to do. You would never be able to have up and down or, you know, like anything. And so it's like, the whole point is for experience. Right. But what's the benefit of experience for God? To know itself. So this is in regards only to human beings or to all animals? Different, like, the souls.

And I go down these fucking rabbit holes, dude. Particularly recently, I did this whole audio book, a modern English version of a book that was published in 1857 by a French dude named Alan Cardac who it's called the spirits book and you know

you've got all these mediums that you're communicating with and putting together of this like you know definitive book

on spiritism right and the way that that book describes it is that animals have souls but

not souls that with like moral implications of the growth you know the purpose

of our separation and the purpose of our experience is to have free will to have the choice to do good or bad or whatever but

to evolve as a soul where you evolve towards being loving and you know where was he getting this from? From mediums. From mediums. So the spirit world

was telling him this. Yeah and like crazy like like a lot of like a the problem with mediums is the problem the same problem

that you have with trans people using the bathroom some are legit sure and some of them are just not right right right

that's the issue with anybody saying that they know exactly why you know what is the difference between the way animals think and behave

and humans think and behave well I just I think with animals there's you know it's that they're like

They're in the wild. They need survival. Survival. You know, where, like, where humans have kind of a higher level of, like, a higher bar to meet because we have, like, more, there's more moral implications to the way we conduct our lives. Yeah. Well, we've also figured out shelter, right? So we're a little bit set. We have doors.

And so we're not, we're separated from the wild world, which has allowed us to have a lot more time to innovate and think. Right. think that it's just interesting because it's like the problem is people like they buy in to uh things as being like absolute truth sure and especially things that are exciting like spiritual mediums and spirits and channeling and all that shit i i think that with the near-death experience you know all these thousands of people have had the accounts there's a there's a society of near-death experiencers like uh you know official like like When if any frauds slip in there with a fake story of almost dying?

I don't doubt. I bet they do. I don't doubt it. But the consistency across all of these accounts, it's like, it kind of like lends legitimacy to me, you know? Well, that's the case with the alien abduction experience as well. Right. That's another weird one.

It's like I want to dismiss it out. You know, I haven't had it. So I'm like, ah, fuck these people. It's not real. But man, it gets weird. It gets real, especially when you go, you read like, Jacques Valais's work and you realize this stuff has been going on in the 1700s, 1800s. They just had a different way of talking about it because they didn't have the idea that a

physical craft could fly in the sky that's made out of metal. To them, that was alien. Right. It didn't make, I mean, for lack of a better word, but so they didn't describe it that way. But they did describe meeting these creatures and being taken away and waking up. And a light. Yeah, things like that. It's like there's so many of those stories.

And then the actual stories of people that have been supposedly abducted that have these stories of these encounters. They're oddly similar regardless of where they live in the world, which is real weird. Right. And it's one of those things. It's like if it hasn't happened to you, you really wouldn't be able to describe it. Sure. And if you didn't believe. And if it did happen to you, you'd be like, how am I even going to tell anybody about this?

Right. Because no one else has this experience. So this is going to be a crazy thing that I'm going to talk about. Everyone's going to think I'm a kook. That's been a lot of people's experience, I think, up until recently. So now, like, with the way that people describe the life review, you know, and they describe, like, things where they said something nasty and, you know, whatever, they did something, like, you know, hurtful.

And in their life review, they are the person, they feel that sorrow. And they come back, like, with, like, such, maybe remorse. maybe like more like heightened compassion like less less interest in material things and and I just think to myself oh my God like in my life like when I was such a fucking nightmare with drugs and sex and all the fucking crazy you know just like I did a lot of I created a lot of wreckage you know I think I was harmful and hurtful I've been better but even like coming up I'm almost 18 years clean and over. Even in those 18 years, I've, you know, I've had a bad temper of like, you know, whatever,

like, you know, overly. You're a human being, man. Right. The trajectory of my life, I believe, has been much, like, it's upward improvement, which I'm really grateful for. But when I hear about these accounts, when people describing the life of you, I think, oh, my God, I got to. You're worried about a comment section in heaven.

That's literally what you're sitting here tweaking out about. A little bit. Yeah. A little bit. Like, you know, I view the remainder of my life as an opportunity, like a big, gigantic opportunity to stack the good and, you know, like, just be more. Well, that's good. So I'll just go around.

Like, anything that gives you motivation to be a good person is good. Yeah. That's great. If that's how you have to do it. Yeah, I'll keep, like, a big fucking wad of cash in my pocket so I can just give 20 bucks to every Uber driver, every homeless person, like, you know, and I think, like, Like, maybe that's just selfishly I want to have a better life of you. Well, if selfishly wanting to have a better life for you makes you be a nicer person, then it's worth it. A hundred percent.

Yeah, that's all. I care about that so much. Okay. Yeah. So you're in your own head a lot, huh? Yeah, it's a pretty nerdy. Do you have anything else you do that, like, wears you out? Do you do anything physical?

Do you, like, hard workouts that, like, drain you of anxiety? I do, uh, yeah. You know, I do yoga every day for 30 minutes. That's good. And I got the perfect push-ups. You ever do those? Sure. I just got this killer strength machine at my house in Tennessee that I haven't been to in fucking two months.

Yeah. For a lot of people, that's a relief from anxiety is like hard workouts. Yeah. Because look, there's benefits to having regret because you course correct and you become bad. But after a while, you can't be thinking. thinking about it all the fucking time. Because then what you're doing, you're addicted to self-analysis. Right.

And there's a lot of people out there addicted to self-analysis. There's a lot of people that love going to therapy so they can talk about themselves and talk about their feelings. And some of that is really good for you. And some of that is very beneficial because you could develop tools that can help you manage your life. But there's also people that are just narcissists and just like going to a place where it's all about them for an hour, you know?

And this is a problem with self-analysis and living in your own head. Because you've got to get outside of your head. This is the benefit of psychedelics. They get you outside your head. And living in that whole, what does everybody think about me? Let me check. Oh, what do I do? Oh, my bad guy.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. Right. Not good for you, man. And not, it's not just, it's not productive. Like, it doesn't allow you to do the things that you want to do in life. efficiently and effectively. Whoa. What is it saying to you?

Serious listening to it? Why don't you have that thing? Get rid of those fucking watches. Those are ridiculous. Watch to tell you the fucking time. That's it. It should be reading emails too. You have a phone.

Stop. Stop with all the shit that you carry around with you. Right. I feel like you're seeing right through me, Joe. Like I do. My head is very fucking mean to me. Well, it also could be the kind of people you surround yourself with.

You know, if you're, around other people that think more along the lines of, look, you got to have radical self-forgiveness for your past. You got to let it go. You're not a loser from, you're not the guy who got stuffed into a locker in high school. Okay, you've got to let that go. And it's hard for people. There's people that were so bullied in high school that they will go to high school as a fucking

grown man with children and they will get anxiety and panic in that same high school because they still associate themselves with who they were back then. And, you know, a certain point in time, you have to move on. You know, you have to let it go. Yeah. And, you know, it's good to recognize your flaws and want to improve upon them. Up to a point. And then you've got to concentrate on what you're doing and what you enjoy doing

and just doing a good job at everything that you do. And one of the things that prevents you from doing a good job at everything you do is constantly being in your own head. Right. It can get in the way. Yeah. You know, I got this, I moved out to Tennessee. I got this big property.

You got Nashville? 45 minutes north of Nashville. Okay, so you're out in the woods. I'm out in the woods. Yeah, all of the, you know, fancy, like. Do you ever hear a yehaw in the middle of the night and get worried? You're not here, shotguns in the distance? No, but I've got these great neighbors, man.

Like, my neighbors are so awesome, man. That's cool. I got the place in September 2023, so. How did you choose that area? You know what it was? Like I got the, I started hearing about people getting notifications from their insurance companies in L.A. That their homeowner's policy wouldn't be renewed because of the risk of fires. And I was like, dude, I live in the Hollywood Hills.

It's just a fucking exercise and waiting for my house to burn down. Like, I've got this fucking house is uninsurable, you know? And, like, I was like, man, I don't want to be waiting for my house to burn down. I wanted, and I wanted to have a bunch of land so I can open up an animal sanctuary. You know, that's my deal. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, so I knew that I wanted to get a place outside of California. And who was, it was supposed to be Corey St. Hagan against Islam in Nashville, Tennessee.

And I was like, oh, my, fuck. It ended up. Different weight classes. Oh, okay. No, no, no, no. Okay, yeah, not Islam. Umar? Umar.

Yeah, Umar. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Um, yeah, good, good catch. Uh, it was supposed to be Umar. Like, uh, I was like, oh my God, I got to be there. Fucking so excited. It ended up being Corey Sane Hagan against Rob Font. Because Umar backed out somehow or other.

Probably got injured. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, so I'm like, all right, we're fucking going out to, so I decided that I'm going to go look at properties and, in Tennessee just for a weekend and you just the only motivation was to go for the fights oh because I fucking love the UFC man oh that's awesome I love the UFC so I went out there good one this weekend coming out yeah right the BMF yeah that should be exciting max Holloway

and Charles Olivera that is a great fight and do the whole fucking card uh-huh and all the way down the prelims like get the fuck out of it some of the names on the prelims yeah so I I looked at properties we went down like in all around and when i got to this one 44 acres house with the fucking uh additional dwelling unit like apartment on the garage like and this trail that goes through the woods in a perfect one mile loop they drove us around that trail's like i got it oh that's awesome i'm like this place like they can get me for because i have to have it you know like they're just gonna well it's good for a guy like you like that's part's why you like that's probably a great thing to have too is just get some peace.

Oh, dude. When I got out there, I was like, oh, my God, I'm not like chewing on my lip. I'm not like I can breathe. Now the problem is that I'm not there very much because I'm always fucking touring and working and chasing and grinding. Listen, that's the touring and working is a gift, you know. Yeah. The ability to do that. It's way better than wishing you could be touring and working.

Right. I mean, that's how it was when I started doing comedy. So I got sober in 2008, right? Up to that point, I was 33. And up to that point, I never thought I was going to fucking make it to 30, you know? Like, I was just like, it's just... You were chaos. Yeah, I was like literally just never even imagined.

Like, I wasn't worried about saving money. I wasn't worried about, like, I was just like, ah, I'm going to be dead. Right. And then all of a sudden I got clean and sober. And it's like, wow, now I'm ceasing to, like, like, wow, now I'm ceasing to, like, like, like actively kill myself. I'm starting to take care of myself. Maybe I'm going to be alive for decades

to come. Right. And like, holy shit, like 2008, like whatever I had saved at that time was just you know, like and I'm like, how am I going to fucking eat? If I'm going to be a life, if I'm only like less than halfway through my life,

I burned every bridge in my career. And, you know, they're telling me that if I want to like be clean and sober and have any kind of a good life. I've got to deflate my ego. I've got to practice spiritual principles. How the fuck I'm supposed to be Steve O? Edvig with a deflated ego and on a spiritual path. I didn't know if I could continue to have any kind of a career as I knew it. So now I'm like, how am I going to eat? You know, like my savings just got blasted. And I start doing comedy.

Going to the laugh factory, like they'd give you like 20 bucks, you know, like sign here they'd be like 20 bucks and then like when the jackass 3d came out I went on the Howard Stern show and I'm like Howard I've been in the comedy club every night I'm having a blast and just by saying that on Howard Stern my lawyer called me up like in the next week or something he says I've got comedy clubs all over the country calling trying to book you like what's this about and they're offering like all this money I'm like wait you can make what you can make that much money like going to a fucking comedy club for a weekend Like, holy shit.

I'm like, I got to fucking figure out how I'm going to eat for the next, you know, 50 years maybe. So I just fucking started grinding, dude. Yeah, we've talked about this. Yeah. It's, you know, I think that anybody who wants to do comedy, you do comedy. And there's a weird thing that happens with comedy where it's like there's a lot of gatekeeper. It's like, oh, what is he doing, doing comedy? Right.

Which I think is gross. But, yeah, I mean, I'm glad you found something else. But it's just being yourself, you know? For sure. You could still be on a spiritual path and still do anything. I figured that out. I figured that out completely. And I think that the point being that I, like that in 2011, like, Jesus, man.

Like, I'd have been, you know, 52 weeks of the year. Like, no way that I wasn't, like, full on fucking engagement for, like, 45 weeks of that year. You know? That's awesome. Yeah. And just by doing it that much, like, the. repetition, it's like, oh, okay, now, like, I'm developing a craft. Yeah, if you care about it, if you care about it and you get into it, you get better on it. Dude, I care so much. But it's

harder for a guy like you that's already famous to start out because, you know, some people they're already famous. Like, I went on the road with Charlie Murphy when he was doing that. And it was like the balliest thing ever. Like, Charlie was famous for being on the Chappelle show and then starting out doing comedy. When I went on the road with him, I think he'd only been doing comedy like two years at the time. I'm like, man. This is such a ballsy thing to do because you're, there's so many expectations of you. A, you're Eddie Murphy's brother, which is nuts. So you're a brother, one of the greatest of all time.

And then on top of that, you're already famous from one of the funniest comedy shows of all time. And you're a beginner. Yeah. Which is wild. You know? Yeah. It's a blessing and a curse. Mm-hmm.

Because you can sell tickets because people know they want to see you. Yeah. But you're a... A lot of guys that get together with other people that can help them. you know, formulate an act, maybe help them write, help them piece together. Like, maybe if they're not even writing for you, at least they can help you consolidate your thoughts and, you know, put together some, like, if you're smart, that's the way to do it. Like, hire some people that can help you.

I've never been able to have people write for me. That it's not necessary. You don't have to, but it's a good idea for, like, you're a little bit different than a traditional stand-up comic, though. You have stand-up comedy, but you also do multimedia stuff and stunts and silly things. for people that just like Charlie was just doing comedy Right

You know I started out doing that I would do like a set of stand-up And then I would have like a set of sort of Repeatable stunts and tricks at the end Right this is not like laugh factor When you're one of the people on the line up This is when you're doing your own shows

Yeah That's how the tour began Oh that's awesome man But yeah dude I'm just fucking stoked You're in a good place You just got to get out of your own head Yeah my head terrorizes me a lot Yeah, you got to get out of your own head and probably surround yourself more with people that also are not in their own head.

Right. You know, because that shit's contagious. Just like being a loser is contagious. Like, if you're around people that are losers, like, that shit can rub off on you. Right. If you're people that sabotage their life all the time, you're with them, like, ugh. Then you're wrapped up in their shit. And you're not progressing, you're regressing because you're, like, constantly with this guy who's, like, fucking his life up all the time.

Right. You know, some people have to cut ties. just try to surround yourself with people from your yoga class. Like go to a solid yoga class and find solid people. Like just that is one of like be the type of person that solid people want to be around but also find those people too. Right. And both of those things will benefit you. Because if you're in your own head and you're around other people that are like worried about their career too and they're in their own head and they're freaking out about their comments and you're freaking out about your comments like,

Right. Stop. This is not good for anybody. Yeah. Yeah. And it's helpful, too, to look at the facts, you know, like whatever I've been through, whatever. Like. But even that is thinking about yourself too much.

Think about your stuff. Think about what you're doing. Don't think about, like, I've accomplished so much, and this is why I don't have to worry. Like, eh, that don't get any. There's no gas in that. Right, right. I don't know that that's what I meant. But, like, what I've been.

going through over the last few weeks I was telling you about. Didn't change the fact that like our jackass movies and fucking full bore, full force. There you go. Doesn't change the fact you have a dick on your forehead. It doesn't change that. Yeah. Nobody has, nobody who matters to me has voiced any concern about any of anything. That's all that matters then.

It's the people that are close to you that really matter. It's just like, you're just a little too in your own head, bro. I hope this helped. You know, I really fucking did. You're a good dude, man. You shouldn't be worried. I care. I know you do.

But it's the reason why you care is because you're a good dude. But your brain can hijack you. You know, your thoughts can run away with you. I mean, we've all had it happen before. Right. You get a thought, runs away with you, and then you've got to bring it back. But you've got to get better at corraling that bitch. You know, it's like being a dog trainer.

You can't have your dog shit in all over your house and chewing up. your furniture. You're gonna, hey, hey, stop. Doesn't mean you don't love your dog. It's like you don't want them shitting on your couch. Like, tell him not to do that. Be a good dog trainer. Be a good Stevo trainer. Like, don't let Steveo's brain run away from him and piss on the TV. That's crazy. You know what I mean? Same kind of thing. You got to train yourself.

Yeah. I think that that's perfectly fair, man. And I'm super grateful for you, brother. I'm grateful for you too. Like I said, I just hate seeing you in your own head because you're a great guy you're fun to be around you know he's very thoughtful and very friendly and don't worry about it man it's gonna be all right well thank you dude and then you're gonna come back as a butterfly or some shit right maybe you'll come back as a war war two pilot maybe you go back in time that would be wild you have memories of the future you're like I haven't heard about that yeah it's because is if reincarnation is if time's not linear if time exists all at once like maybe reincarnation is not linear either

Maybe there's people that die and then they have messages from the future. You know? I mean, imagine you're in the trenches of World War I. You're like, are you fucking kidding me? Are you to have an iPhone? I had a watch that was my dad was calling me on it. Right.

This is so stupid. Now I'm worried about getting eaten by wolves in this fucking trench. Right. I mean, the idea of quantum physics, quantum mechanics. Entanglement. Yeah. All possible realities all exist. Wow.

All in one moment. Allegedly. I don't understand it. I've tried. Right. How's Marshall? He's great. He's great.

How old is Marshall now? He's nine. Wow. Yeah. It makes me sad that I worry that he's only going to live for a few more years. Right. That's what's spooky. Golden's when they eat well and they're well fed, they could live like 15, 16 years.

I just got to take care of them. I just like, it's just like thinking about him not being around. It's like it's really hard. We were playing today. I'd take him in the yard, throw the ball with him, and we're hanging out and cuddling. And I just can't imagine a life where that dog's not around. Right.

Like, he's just a big love sponge. Yeah. He loves everybody. Everybody that comes over the house, the first thing he does, he runs up to you, he wags his tail, he rubs up against you, and then he lies down because he knows you want to pet his belly. He's like, come on, you know you want to pet me.

He's just so used to being touched by everybody. Right. Like, that's his existence, is just love. I was in Peru in 2017 with Chuck Liddell. We were doing this. We found that dog. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That, uh, I still have Wendy. That's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. She's, uh, at this point, like 11. Wow. And she's slowing down.

It's like dogs, it's so sad. They don't live long enough. I know. You know? But, dude, since Wendy's now retired, uh, living on my ranch in Tennessee. Well, that's cool. And she has become the gnarliest country girl. Like, she'll just go out on the property and come back with like a fucking gnarly deer leg.

Did she found the woods? And she just sits there. That's normal. That's dog behavior. And I've got this ranch cat that I'm pretty sure. Like, he goes out there and like hunts squirrels or whatever like dogs. He probably kills everything. Probably kills a lot of birds.

And then he brings him to Wendy. Because I was trying to figure out, why is Wendy getting so fucking. fat. I'm like, tell my ranch hand, I'm like, dude, we got to, like, not feed Wendy so much. She's, like, kind of fucking getting fat. She's like, dude, I've been, like, feeding her less, but she just seems to still be getting fucking fat. And we find

her, like, she cruises up with, like, just some big-ass rodent. And I... Then she's going to kiss you with rat-assold breaths. Just crunching it. I watched her house a whole fucking squirrel to the face and just swallow the whole

fucking thing. It's, and I know that she's, her old, fat ass wasn't fast enough to catch a squirrel. The only way is it's got to be the cat's killing it and giving it to her. So the cat killed the squirrel and it's like, hey, friend, I got some for you. Because cats just want to kill. Yeah. They kill so much, man. Wild.

If you let a cat go wild, you basically, you want to do harm, let a cat go lose. That'll kill thousands and thousands of things. I saw a cat the other day on a ranch. It was really wild. I turned a corner and I saw it right as this cat pounced. So this cat was in the grass and it was doing that thing where their back goes up and their butt starts wiggling and just flew through the air and landed. I'm like, how happy is this fucking cat living out here? Like just being able to jack all these poor little unsuspecting animals all day long.

That's what they want to do, man. The guy bought the property from, he said, you will never see a fucking mouse, a fucking rat. He's like, this cat, because we inherited the cat Rocky. Oh, that's cool. He's like, this cat takes his job fucking seriously. That's way better than having mice around, that's for sure. But they are mass murderers. Yeah.

Do you know that house cats, wild house cats, feral cats, kill billions of mammals every year just in America? Billions. Feral house cats. Wild cats. Right, right, right, right. Cats that get left outside. Regular old cats.

Regular cats, not like cougars. And they kill billions of vows. Billions of birds and mammals. B-I. Billions. Billions. They are so good at it. They love to do it. I used to have this, like, fluffy.

She was like, I forget what they're called, the kind of catch was, but she was just a ball fluff. Like she would just purr when you pet her and like, that little bitch was a murderer. They let her outside. She'd have a bird. I'm like, this is crazy. Jump up and snag a bird out of the air. I'm like, oh. And they would sit by the window and she would see a squirrel.

And her teeth would start chatting. Like, she just couldn't wait to bite it. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. They make these weird noises staring at birds and squirrels. Like, it's just in them, man. Yeah. They're little killing machines. Yep.

I got a, I got, I'm going to have so many fucking animals. That's awesome. At this point, it's pigs and goats and cats and dogs. That's dope, dude. That sounds like a great life. And a great balance to the chaos that you had when you were young. younger and also a great balance to touring right right touring in all these cities you come back home tweet tweet tweet tweet oh dear i love it so much man and it's uh i'm all set up it's an official

501c3 non-profit animal sanctuary oh so you could take in animals like if someone has a dog that's been abandoned or a goat that they can't take care of anyone oh that's cool yep that sounds It's really cool, man. It's called the Radical Ranch. Ah. Yeah. And the website's radical ranch.org. Oh, you have a website?

Just went live like last month. Oh, cool. Like in January, it went live. So, yeah, like people can fucking donate or whatever. See all the animals on there. It's pretty rad. That's dope, brother. There it is.

Radical ranch. There's windy. Oh, look all this little animals. Have it a good time. Believe it or not, that's wonderful. Photoshop. Is it? You're not getting all those animals in one.

That's Photoshop? Yeah. Oh, okay. That's deceptive. How dare you? Well, I mean, I wanted to... You're having a party, just like a Disney movie. I wanted to have all the animals in one shot.

And, uh... That's actually make sense. Otherwise, I was like, why isn't that dog chase those goats? Why is the goat dealing with the dog being right there? Right. All right, brother. Well, I appreciate you very much. Dude, likewise, man.

It's always good to talk to you. Yeah. I had, like, I try to, like, be. pretty sparing if I'm gonna hit you up I try to make sure that I that it don't worry about it man just just be you don't worry about it yeah well dude it's all gonna be fine I appreciate you so much I appreciate you too brother this was fucking important for me dude my pleasure all right bye everybody