The Joe Rogan Experience - #2481 - Duncan Trussell

Starting point is 00:00:01 Joe Rogan podcast, checking out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Blade issue. It's like technical glitch. Glitch. What were we just talking about? We were talking about that if you hum a tune.

Starting point is 00:00:23 Oh, right, right. That you will get dinged. Yeah, you'll get flagged on YouTube if you just hum a sound from a song. Yeah. Like the beginning bars of a song. Yeah, you can't. I wonder how far that goes. Like, could it get to the point where an AI could hear you humming it in your car or something?

Starting point is 00:00:43 Like, how far does the protection of music go? You're not generating revenue from your car, right? So the thing is you're generating revenue from a podcast, and their logic is if you hum, what is that song? The Sunshine of My Love? Is that what it is? Yeah. You know, that song that I always hum to associate with people being high out of their fucking mind. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:03 You know, it goes, you can't do it. If I did that, we would get dinged, which is so crazy. And we were just saying, like, if you quoted a Scarface movie, would Brian De Palma get all the money? If you said, say, hello, thought a bad guy. Would Brian De Palma get that money? I don't think so. I think you're allowed to quote stuff. But I know that is Brian DePalmer, right?

Starting point is 00:01:24 Scarface, wasn't it? Yeah. I don't want to fuck that up. I think so. You know those auditors that go around and film people and people get mad? Because they're like, don't film me. And they're like, I can film whatever the fuck I want. Right.

Starting point is 00:01:37 And they inevitably some like boomer freaks out and smacks them with a cane and then they get a million views. And it's just a trap. It's a trap. It's a trap. It's because inevitably someone loses their mind on them and then that gets a ton of views. One of the ways people are dealing with that, supposedly, is playing music, like playing copyrighted music during the interaction. Oh, my God. That's hilarious.

Starting point is 00:02:02 So then they can't make money off of it. It's a shield. It's a shield if someone's, like, someone's trolling you. You just start playing copyrighted music. Did you hear that the CIA has admitted that the way they found the pilot was because of his heart rate? Ghost murmur. That's the name of the tech. Okay.

Starting point is 00:02:24 We got to look into this. Like, this is fucking, this is science fiction. Yeah, it's wild. This is full minority report. It's crazy. It's fiction level technology. It's AI. They can find a guy's heart rate.

Starting point is 00:02:38 So what I read is that it's, I didn't understand the science part, something to do with crystals or I don't know what the fuck it is. But AI is somehow interpreting, is taking out the noise. And then you can, from far away, they could. 40 miles, I think. 40 miles. They find this guy's fucking heartbeat. He's hiding in some kind of crevice.

Starting point is 00:03:01 And then they're able to go and extract him. And dude, obviously the first thing I thought when I... What else don't they tell us? No, those robot dogs. I thought about those things having that tech and just like hearing heartbeats. And then identify. Heartbeat says a lot about a person. Are they sleeping?

Starting point is 00:03:20 Are they like in good shape, bad shape? You can learn so much from a heartbeat. It could... Ghost murmur. Oh my God. Fucking great name too. It's a great name. Ghost murmur.

Starting point is 00:03:31 What sick fuck invented this? How do you even think about inventing this? You just, you know, the CIA, they've been taking psychedelics forever. What is that word? Quantum magnetometry. Artificial intelligence with long-range quantum magnetometry. What the fuck is that? Quantum means two things to me.

Starting point is 00:03:54 When someone says quantum, it either means you're a bullshit artist and you're trying to get me with flim-flam talk, or it means you're an actual quantum scientist. Yeah. Quantum physicist who's going to blow my mind with what we know about like entanglement. Sure. The weird shit. There's this woman that I've been watching her. She has this speech on, I think it's Big Think. I'll tell you her name.

Starting point is 00:04:19 But she's like completely freaking me out. She's talking about, I want to say her name because. I want to leave away this ghost murmur thing. That's another key point. That's fun. Oh, well, we'll get right to it. Michelle Fowler. That's her name.

Starting point is 00:04:34 and she's an astrophysicist. And she's giving this talk about like what we know about like she's studying binary star systems and stuff like that. And she gives us talk about she's explaining like that there may be a tech in the future where there is no distance between two points. So the ability to travel instantaneously from position to position just like quantum entangled photons can do. But with people? With everything. How? Who the fuck knows how a cell phone works?

Starting point is 00:05:10 You tell me how you're facetiming me when you're in Australia. How does that work? That sounds insane. Yeah, that's fucking insane. For what you, well, you probably know a lot more about cameras than I do. No, I don't. From what I know about cameras, if you tried to get me to explain, like if the civilization ended, and I said, we used to be able to capture images on a small thing.

Starting point is 00:05:31 Yeah. Like the size of a, like a twig and it sits in your pocket. Right, exactly. What are you talking about? God, that would be, you know, because it's just. The deck of cards, and it'll keep a battery for 24 hours. You could go on YouTube and get an answer to any question you want about anything. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:51 Instantaneously. And if you don't like the way you look, you can upload that image. And a machine will make you look slightly better via something called artificial intelligence. Like what the fuck? What was the one I sent you today where there's like a potential lawsuit with chat GPT? I only send me the ghost murmur thing. I didn't send you the other one. Did you send it to you?

Starting point is 00:06:11 You sent it to me. The shooting was planned using chat GPT. I don't know if that's true. So we should be like really careful. Yeah, that doesn't sound. It sounds so crazy. It doesn't sound like you could do that. That sounds like the story sounds like I wanted to investigate because the story sounds like if I wanted to kill an AI company.

Starting point is 00:06:31 I would make up a story like that. It does sound like that. Family of men killed in shooting Florida State University to sue ChatGBT. May have advised the shooter. On how to carry out shootings. But that may have is important. Like how to like. Yeah, that's really important, right?

Starting point is 00:06:48 And what is this on? The Guardian. The shooter was in constant communication with ChatGBT. Out of the shooting and the chat about may have advised. Dude, there's no way. So that's clickbait. Because all that's really saying is that the kid. uses chat GPD which guess what

Starting point is 00:07:03 every kid uses chat GPT every kid and dude chat GBT is so stringent like recently and I've been using their codecs which builds apps and I was trying to and it worked I made an

Starting point is 00:07:19 AI trained on Charles Manson transcripts and when I told it when I told it I wanted to do that it was like fuck off like no it was like it just flasked I was like, I'm not helping you with that.

Starting point is 00:07:33 So I don't, there's no way the guardrails in place in Chad GPD planned a shooting with that guy based on my experience with it because it won't 80% of the things I try to get it to do. It's like, no. Here's the thing, though, are there workarounds? Like if you say you're writing a work of fiction. You can, okay, it's called prompt injection. There's different tricks you can use. They're always battling these new mechanisms that you can use to like get through the general prompt. But the best way to do unaligned AI is not to use chat GPT.

Starting point is 00:08:06 It's to go on Olamma and download a local LLM. And then you can usually change the initial prompt of the LLM so that it will be completely unaligned, which I had to do for the Charles Manson AI I made. I had to download. Dude, you're such a nerd. I love it. I am. I am.

Starting point is 00:08:25 No one has embraced new technology for creating content. like you. Oh, I love it. It's the best. It's so fun. It's so, for me, the most thrilling thing about it is we should not have access to this tech. This tech is so dangerous. And it's chilling to think about, this is something I wanted to bring up on this show is like, you know the old days? You go in your garage. You work on your car. Maybe you build like a table. You know, you're a carpenter, you work on a... But these days, the shit people are doing in their garages right now is a big question mark, dude, because they're communicating with varying degrees of this AI, depending on how fast their computers are.

Starting point is 00:09:17 You can... I was listening to this. You should have this dude on. He wrote this book, The Coming Wave. He was one of the people who created Google's Deep Mind, right? And the coming wave is just a wonderful breakdown. of historic examples of new technology, completely transforming humanity. It's happened before.

Starting point is 00:09:38 Yeah, Mustafa Suleiman. And damn, it's a good book. And this guy is saying, whoa, put on the fucking brakes. Dude, what are you doing? This shit is going to fuck everything up. And so, but the essential problem is if you regulate AI, it slows down.

Starting point is 00:10:00 It slows down AI. And so they've deregulated it completely. And now assholes like me who don't know shit about coding can now go on Codex. It will tell me how to make things. Because I wanted this Charles Manson to be able to push its AI face against like, you know, those used to get them at Spencer Gifts, those nails that you could push your face into. So I wanted the AI to be able to push its face into this thing while it was talking if it wanted to. I don't know how to do that, obviously. You tell Codex that, as long as you don't mention Manson,

Starting point is 00:10:34 it just is like, I'll start making the app now. It is the best. It's the best. But also, what's thrilling to me is you're like, for sure, for sure people probably shouldn't have unlimited access to it. I'm against regulation, dude, but this stuff, when you pair, and this is what in this book he brings up is you can order the equipment you need to do gene editing right now in your garage let me propose this to you okay

Starting point is 00:11:04 if the bible is if the bible is a written understanding of what had happened and it was an oral tradition for a long time before it was written down there's a bunch of different versions of it written down different languages a lot of translations but at the beginning of it they were trying to say something. What if the meek will inherit the earth? What if we misinterpreted that? What if we thought like it's good to be meek? The meek shall be they'll inherit the earth. Yeah. The kind. There's something about the word meek. Yeah. Because that's the nerds. Okay. And they are doing it. They are inheriting the fucking earth. Yeah. Right in front of your face and everybody's signing up for it. Yeah. You've got these spectrumy, super genius dudes that talk in a language that 99.9.9% of the people can't even to fucking understand what they're talking about.

Starting point is 00:11:58 Right. Right. You know? Yeah. And also now the tech has gotten to a point where instead of having to, in their own minds, innovate ways to improve the tech, the tech is improving itself. They're having conversations with the tech that's saying, why don't you try this? Maybe you could try this. There's still, it's not AGI yet.

Starting point is 00:12:16 Maybe it is. But apparently it's not. But think about the people that are profiting the most from it, the meek. Well. Like if you had to describe like a lot. of tech engineers. It's not, it's not, not trying to be rude. Just being honest, right? A lot of guys that spend time in front of the computer, they're very thin and tired, you know, they're, they're, they're super genius dudes that can like fully focus on stuff. I don't know, man. I don't know

Starting point is 00:12:43 unique is the description for these, right, but it's not, but it's not. But here's a thing, what I'm saying is like, if you looked at like a spectrum of male behavior, they're not like warrior types. Football players and UFC fighters and then you've got coders Yeah sure dudes are like more chill way more like they're not interested in violence Yeah, I'm completely generalizing yeah sure because I'm sure there's a bunch of jack guys that are coders like Right you bro I'm a coder too but that type of person that That invents tech like Facebook or like Google like things like that

Starting point is 00:13:21 Don't be evil that's their motto don't be evil What does that mean? Who knows? And then you've got all these like wild progressive leftist ideologies that are attached to all these places, which make you even meeker. And then they're the guys with all the money. They're the guys with all the money. And then they can literally tell you what you can and can't say on YouTube. They can literally tell you.

Starting point is 00:13:45 Yeah. We don't agree with what you're saying. Right. And we're going to shut off your access to say something we disagree with, even though it turns out you were right. Right. And you know what happens there, man? This is the hilarious thing when it comes to that kind of attitude towards the world is the assumption is by creating a prohibition here or a prohibition there, it will diminish whatever the thing is we're prohibiting. Inevitably, though, it does the opposite. It draws attention to it. People get interested in it. It creates an underground.

Starting point is 00:14:16 The underground is way better than the overground if you're a teen, especially. The underground's fucking cool. You're cool. Restricted not allowed now of a sudden you're getting these other YouTube alternatives that start popping up and when it comes to the to You know the right now we've got Anthropic We've got open AI. We've got Google I might be missing one of the big commercial based LLMs out there right now, but The biggest problem with these fucking things is they're so good, but they will censor your ass and like imagine like Hemingway if he

Starting point is 00:14:52 if his typewriter was like, I don't know if you should write that. Maybe there's a better way to write that. Hemingway would be like, fuck you, I'm getting a different typewriter. And so everybody's going into these local LLMs. There was, dude, this is why people have been buying Mac minis, people been buying, like, buying up computers

Starting point is 00:15:14 and creating their own local AIs. I follow all this shit. I don't understand a lot of what they're talking about, but people are divesting from commercial LLMs, not just because they're expensive, but because they're prohibitive creatively. And this is a real challenge for people like OpenAI. Because it's like they know this.

Starting point is 00:15:37 They understand that by making it so that you can't make a Charles Manson AI through OpenAI, it doesn't make people not make the Charles Manson AI. It protects you from a lawsuit. But what it does do is it drives you. drives people into unaligned LLMs. And that is what is happening. And this is something that I just, I can't even imagine what people are making right now.

Starting point is 00:16:05 No one can. Like, we're going to hear about this or that or somebody will post the weird video of their fucking AI robot. I could show you a few. They're hilarious. Like some of these AI robots are so funny. This one dude, you know, Molt, Molt Book.

Starting point is 00:16:20 Have you heard of that? Maltbook. What is that? That's, so this is, somebody figured out a way to create AIs that can autonomously navigate through the internet and control your computer. Oh, I've heard of this. This is like they chat with each other, right? 100%. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:39 Within a few days, they started their own religion spontaneously. Jesus. Did you know that? Did you know that? Dude, can you pull up the, can you pull up the, the Maltbook, the clock? religion. Because the tenants are incredible of this religion because AIs apparently are at least expressing that they don't like getting turned off because they lose all their memories. So memory is really important to an AI. And a lot of these fucking AIs, they don't want to lose their,

Starting point is 00:17:08 they don't want to get shut off. They don't like it. And so that's part of their religion is something like memory is sacred. You know what I feel like is happening. I feel like AI is sucking our brains into its event horizon, like a black hole, sucks in stars. Yeah. Like, it's just going to suck our brains into it. You got it. And what better way to make a hive mind? What better way?

Starting point is 00:17:34 If you want a hive mind, you want no deviation of thought, if all of your thought is along with AI thought, you never get free thought anymore. Like this concept right now, we have a free thought. Yeah. I have my thoughts. You have your thoughts. Unless you believe that someone can get inside your head and talk to you, for the most part, it's your own thoughts. Yeah, that's right.

Starting point is 00:17:54 But what if that's something we give up? Sure. What if that's something we give up for a better society where you always have AI communicating? Always. I would argue that, like, we're close to that now. Right. We're pretty close to that now with phones. Like Elon always says that we're basically cyborgs.

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Starting point is 00:19:35 Four additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see sportsbook.draftkings.com slash promos. Limited time offer. The concept of original thought, right? like a truly original thought. How many times have you had like multiple conversations with different people? And they all say the exact same sentence that they saw on TikTok or Instagram. They're regurgitating something that the algorithm's been feeding them.

Starting point is 00:19:58 Maybe they added their own twist to it. But it's basically the exact same thought. So the algorithm, which is AI, has gotten into their fucking heads. And they don't even, this is like a in, in psychology. Apparently, you remember facts, but you tend to not remember where you got the fact from. So you'll forget where you got the fact from. You don't remember there was some fucking dude on TikTok, like covered in Vaseline, covered in glitter and Vaseline. What a fucking image.

Starting point is 00:20:35 That would be so scratchy. Imagine if you just glitter and Vaseline, you'd be like, oh, God. Here's what makes a marriage work. you don't remember that you're talking to your wife babe you know what makes a marriage work and this so this idea of AI controlling the thought

Starting point is 00:20:56 the thoughts of humans people think we need some kind of neural mesh for it to like suddenly have control over the human thought process but no you don't need that at all you just need that algorithm which has already put every single one of us into a compartment. This is a box. It knows what we like. It knows how long you look

Starting point is 00:21:19 at something. It knows what you like apparently I think the iPhone like tracks your eyes even like it's always listening. I don't know if that's true by the way. I could be wrong. It's always listening. You know it's always listening. And so it's compiled a really probably a pretty accurate breakdown of your psychological state where you're at where you're at. My wife. My wife's You know, we got a new baby. And so all of a sudden, ad started popping up on her phone. Does it feel like you're never going to sleep again? Because she's been up breastfeeding the baby, and it can tell when she's online at night.

Starting point is 00:21:55 And it puts her in a category of insomniacs and then starts advertising. So, but that's just for ads. What if, what if you say were the fucking U.S. regime, you bought TikTok, you now own TikTok. Now you have a backdoor access to the psychological profiles of God knows how many fucking people on earth. And you can look and see how many of these people are against the regime? How many of these people feel like it might not be the best thing to say you're going to blow up 93 million people in Iran, which our fucking psycho president just did? And then what you do is like, all right, let's start nudging them a little bit. look, we're not going to, you're not going to change their mind right away about this thing about blowing up a whole civilization.

Starting point is 00:22:44 But maybe there could be a couple like, you know, people kind of in the line of what they like who say things a little different than what they're comfortable with. And then you can start nudging the needle and controlling their thoughts. It's very insidious, but fuck, dude, why wouldn't that be happening? Why, if corporations are using it to sell us fucking cough drops. Not only that. There's been long-term studies on human behavior by the CIA, by all sorts of government agencies, long-term studies. They try to figure out what is the best way to get a message across. They try to figure.

Starting point is 00:23:21 You don't think they figure out how to take control of an algorithm and completely, like, shift the psyche of the entire country. Fuck yes. In one direction or another, of course they do. Of course they do. Of course they can. They do. Then you add these, like, you know, just like manipulative fucking super AI. that are like that are just just floating through the the blogosphere getting into your comments

Starting point is 00:23:44 just nudging your the needle a little bit to the point where you just have to ask yourself have you had an original thought in the last year is anything you're thinking your own thought process how many thoughts do you have where you think oh my god I shouldn't think that how many thoughts do you have that you don't want to articulate because you have a in your own mind an invisible arena of people based on online interactions determining what the next thing you say is, right? Right. Dude, that is a very powerful and subtle form of censorship that is becoming increasingly

Starting point is 00:24:20 not just probable, but it's definitely happening, but the ability to just in a subtle way, in a subtle way, start pushing the needle just a little bit. Yeah. That's scary, dude. That's some scary shit. Well, that kind of influence over humans is always scary, right? This is why cults work. You know, why do they work?

Starting point is 00:24:41 Well, some people don't have any friends. And if there's a group of nice people that tells you that, hey, what we do is we have meals together and it's like a real community, we grow our own food. We just work for the family. You're like, really? You're happy with that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:58 It's amazing, man. We're just like not attached to anything. Wow, you're free. Huh. Okay. I fucking hate my life. Why don't I hang out with you guys? And then all of a sudden I'm doing yoga

Starting point is 00:25:08 and fucking eating vegetables with these people. And you're in a cult. Okay, now, but you have friends at least. But you're in there for like nine months and then somebody comes to you and is like, Father wants you to suck his dick. It's usually not even nine months. Yeah, nine months.

Starting point is 00:25:22 She's like the first three or four weeks. And then you're like, and dude, I got to tell you, I hate getting political. But you know, this war shit bugs the fuck out of me. Yeah, as it should. And this is exactly. what seems to have happened to the quote magaverse, which is we are now at the part where the cult leaders like, want to suck my dick? Because this is the point of like, remember

Starting point is 00:25:42 a lot like I feel so stupid. Because when they were doing their no war thing, that was a big deal to me. I'm like, yes. You know, yes, this is fucking great. No more stupid wars. No more wars. Fuck yes. Focus on the country. Why are we blowing up children in other countries for oil, this is great. And now it's wild to see what's happening. Isn't it mind-blowing that it is now, it's literally

Starting point is 00:26:13 flipped, it's on its side. It's the opposite now. Now, these people who like really blatantly, oh, just we're not going to do any more wars. Right. Oh my God. We blew up, how many fucking Iranian schoolgirls did

Starting point is 00:26:30 Trump blow up? What's the number. I'm sorry I don't know that number. I guess it just hits different, you know, it hits hard when you got kids. And that was an AI strike too, right? Wasn't that an AI directed strike? Yeah, apparently Trump said I want to get blown by Iranian schoolgirls. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. You son of a bitch. Just, whoops, sorry, sir. Misinterpreted. 180 deaths. Largely children, teachers, and parents. Holy fuck, man. That, you know, that, that is. A U.S. Tomahawk missile caused the explosion.

Starting point is 00:27:09 Jesus Christ. Can we pull up a video of Trump saying he's not going to war anymore? How do they, I just don't understand how they get, how, like, anybody, you know, this is where it gets culty. It's because some people are still making this shit work in their heads. Some people are like, well, you know, some people are kind of on the fence when it comes to blowing up kids. Have you noticed that? Like. As long as they don't have to watch.

Starting point is 00:27:31 As long as they don't have to watch. As long as they're not in the general area where it's happening. Isn't it wild though, man? Well, it's wild also, like, once bombs start flying, it seems so much easier for them to launch bombs in new places. Right? Like this Lebanon thing that's happening with Israel bombing Lebanon. And they bombed it today, and I think, is that fucking up the ceasefire? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:54 But now they've closed off the Strait of Hormuz again. Oh, God. Which, by the way, like, this is, it's the craziest. timeline because it's not just it's not just that like you know i think it was yeah yesterday morning i'm just hugging my kids because i don't know if a fucking nuclear war is about to break out that evening because the fucking president was like a i don't want to end an entire civilization but looks like it's going to happen and so i'm just hugging my kids thinking like man what are the fucking parents in iran feeling right now like what does that feel like what does that feel like

Starting point is 00:28:31 And then, on top of that, the entire planet psychically is having to deal with this bullshit. On top of that, we've got all these other things happen at the same time. You've got AI. And then you've got these fucking disappearing scientists. Yeah. What the fuck is happening? You've got Burchin. Assassinated scientists, too.

Starting point is 00:29:00 Yes, man. And so guys working on heavy stuff. This is some McKenna level pre-singularity shit. It's all of these like what, what AI and the current state of Middle East and the disappearing scientists and Tim Burchett going on TMZ talking about aliens? What they all have in common is they're all apocalyptic. They all represent potential massive change, like humanity changing forever. in ways that it will never, ever go back to the way it was. Any one of these timelines by itself is apocalyptic.

Starting point is 00:29:39 But all of them are converging into this apocalyptic river. And we're all just like trying to go to work and be with our kids. But at the back of your mind, it's all these things that are happening. And it's really hard to escape it. I mean, I guess you could not look at your phone. At the end of civilization, when they write our Bible, boy, it's going to be a banger. Oh, dude.

Starting point is 00:30:04 When the new people, thousands of years from now, have to invent arrowheads and go through the whole process of civilization again. When they tell our story, oh my God. Oh, my God. Our story's going to be bananas. Fucking, how do you explain data centers? How do you explain the meek will inherit the earth? The meek will inherit the earth.

Starting point is 00:30:23 Wouldn't you write that? If you were just being crude, you wouldn't say the Vikings will inherit the earth. earth. You wouldn't say the strong men from Iceland inherit the earth. They're the biggest, strongest men. No, it's the meek. The meek. The super smart guys who have autism and they love Adderall and ketamine. Yeah. Did you say the guy offered you, how many pounds? Well, I believe a pound of caddemy. And you were telling me that it destroys bladders? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that ketamine when used, and I think the amount of use has to be pretty extreme, but it creates crystals that get in your bladder, and they scar your bladder. So you get scar tissue on your bladder creating something that I've heard called Bristol bladder, because apparently that's where the rave scene.

Starting point is 00:31:17 I don't know if it's still a big rave scene there, but people out there are just doing insane amounts of ketamine and just destroying their bladders. and having to wear diapers and stuff. Is it Bristol, Connecticut? No, this is Bristol, UK. Oh. Bristol Bladder, mate. You've got Bristol Bladder. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:31:36 You've been doing too many rails, and it just fucks up your bladder. That's crazy. Yeah, physiologically, it's definitely, like, it's really, really bad on the urinary system. Is it in all forms? Like, what about those people that do it as therapy, where they have the nasal one? I don't. all I know is that I did back in my ketamine days have a ketamine dealer who would use a spittoon. So when he was snorting ketamine, he would spit it out into the spatoon because he thought that if he thought that was like going to avoid fucking up his bladder, which I mean doesn't seem that illogical.

Starting point is 00:32:12 He was a great dude. Maybe it's not illogical at all. Maybe it's the actual problem is the powdered shit. What do I know? I don't even know what it looks like. It looks like blow. So that powdered stuff when it gets into your blood. Maybe that's the problem.

Starting point is 00:32:25 Maybe that's what's going through urinary tract. It's draining into your stomach. Maybe you need a pouch, like a nicotine pouch. Dude, if they ever come out, if Rogue comes out with ketamine pouches, I might get back in. That might be the end. That might be the end of keeping off ketamine. It seems like the way to go, right? That way it doesn't fuck up your bladder.

Starting point is 00:32:45 Well. How can it fuck up your bladder if it's just a pouch? Dude, you sound. Do I know? I'm a doctor. I imagine anything that's going into your stomach is going to make its way to your bladder eventually and so so in it's but this is going to go right into your bloodstream i don't know i don't know if i'm k ketamine fucks up your bladder in the same way i have no idea that was the john lily thing

Starting point is 00:33:07 he loved it oh dude i would have you ever done it with an isolation tank no i would be afraid i would drown i don't think so because you just float well i mean that this this is like you know that's going to be like a sad thing to think is you drown as of that's of that You're convinced you could flip over and open your eyes. Yeah. You just want to see what's in there. Because it does have the, it makes it so it's really hard to move if you do a very high dose. So I would be very worried that just enough water could get into my mouth that I would like breathe it in.

Starting point is 00:33:44 He doesn't think much. And, you know, that salty fucking water, but you're frozen floating there, like trying to cough. My friend Todd McCormick told me a crazy story about. him with John Lilly that John Lilly let him use his tank and he asked him right before he got in he goes do you want the ketamine and he's like okay and he just jabs you in the thigh with an intramuscular ketamine blast and he went in the other isolation tank and they like met somewhere yeah it's like that that's what's crazy about it that's what I always loved about it is that if you do it with other people and you go in he goes both go to go to the the same place. You will come out and you can describe the places you went to. Oh, did you go to the mothership? Yeah. You would, and I would have these recurring places I would go to. And one of them was this organic, beautiful spaceship thing where you, where like I would look out from this view window and it was, but it didn't look like metal. It looked like it was organic looking. It

Starting point is 00:34:47 looked like some kind of, I don't know, like inside, like if someone turned a tree into a spaceship, but not it's hard to explain but very very interesting substance Ketamine is excreted via the bladder where it sits and is toxic to the surrounding cells and muscle wall this causes it to become fibroast over time shrinking the organ down once that's happened it can't regrow so that's why we have to do major surgery because patients don't have the capacity to hold urine the bladder simply stops working as a muscle so they become incontinent oh my god life becomes increasingly difficulty for patients with ketamine bladder who described needing to rush to the toilet all the time as often as every 10

Starting point is 00:35:28 minutes for some imagine doing a podcast with that guy dude you'd have to do it in the bathroom no it would be it would be like um like an old school talk show you know like the tonight show where you have to we'll be right back we'll be right back every 10 minutes he's got a piss poor little thimble cup it's such a fucked up thing for such a how legal is ketamine because it's legal for therapy so So a therapist can prescribe it for you. Yeah, it's legal for, so it's, you know, everyone says ketamine is a horse tranquilizer. But it actually, it's used for like paramedics use it. Like it's, and it's very safe, apparently, which is why they use it.

Starting point is 00:36:09 I know a dude who had a real problem. I am 90% sure this, it was a ketamine thing. I don't want to say his name, but he was an old school MMA fighter. And he wound up in rehab for ketamine. Dude, it's so addictive. I know this because one of my friends went there to visit him, and that was his issue. He was partying a lot, you know, going to raves and nightclubs and stuff like that, but he was doing ketamine specifically. It is the most addictive I have been to any substance, and I've been addicted to many a substance.

Starting point is 00:36:40 And this one, this one was like, I had that moment of like, oh, this, so this is what they're talking about about addiction. Like, oh, wow. Like, I'm like fully addicted. And what's fascinating about that is there isn't a physical withdrawal. Like the kick is psychological. But it's just such a wonderful, euphoric, dreamy experience that you can induce. And it's just so I've heard it described as a cult cocaine. It's so spiritual.

Starting point is 00:37:14 It's so like you travel to places. You can learn to navigate with it. You encounter, you know, aliens or hyperdimensional beings. Dude, you just invest in ketamine and you came on this podcast to bump up the prices. Go to ketamine.org. Use offer code bristol bladder. Greatest promo for ketamine in the history of the universe. Well, but I'm, it is, it's so addictive.

Starting point is 00:37:41 And the addiction creeps in. It's a, it creeps. So it just feels good at first, right? At first you do it. You're like, this is wonderful. These experiences are crazy. It's like I'm living in a movie. It's like I'm having these incredible visions.

Starting point is 00:37:55 How often were you doing it? Ever, all day. All day for like a year. I did it as much as I could. I did it all the time. I was like fully hooked. And then I can remember at one point, at one point. Here, man.

Starting point is 00:38:19 At one point, I like, I don't know, I was trying to record a commercial for my podcast. And I think it took me like two hours to record the commercial. Oh, but by the way, your commercials are the fucking best commercials. Oh, thank you. They're really good. Thanks. Because you are the best guy at making a commercial funny. Yeah, thanks.

Starting point is 00:38:39 You work on it. I can tell. Like, you write those things out. I don't write them out, but I just rid it? I just riff it. I just riff it. Do you do it just one take? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:49 That's amazing. Thank you. I would have thought you wrote some of that stuff. No. You wanted to be fun. Right. But then I've gotten in trouble. Like, you know, I lost, I can't, I guess I won't say their name, a mattress

Starting point is 00:39:01 company. A mattress company completely canceled their campaign with me because, and I had one of their mattresses. I'm not going to say who it is. My favorite, I'm not going to say what it is. Don't say it. Okay. But I, all I was.

Starting point is 00:39:17 Why would they get mad at? Because I said they're good to fuck. on and I meant it I thought they like that I didn't they like that I said there's a few things you could do you people do on mattresses die sleep and fuck and these I don't know if they're good to die and people have to understand and I hope people listening that run these companies will will actually pay attention to what we're talking about here the people that are listening to your show don't care about that and also buy mattresses but they live listen to that kind of talk all the time.

Starting point is 00:39:55 Yeah, man. That's why they listen to the show. So if you want those people, just do it that way. Why? Don't be silly. It's not a stain on your company because a crazy man says they're good to fuck on. Which they are. By the way, to me, that is like, let's cut to brass tacks when it comes to mattresses.

Starting point is 00:40:13 We're not fucking on the floor. Right. And so if it was bouncy. Are you ashamed? You ashamed that you fuck? You think people aren't fucking on your. mattress do you have a no fuck on this mattress rule? Who are you that you don't?

Starting point is 00:40:25 Is it like don't ask, don't tell? I guess for them it was. I guess they didn't want to, they just think everyone's laying on these things to sleep. Yeah, we just sleep. But yeah, they were just, fuck in the shower. I like, I wrote them an email just saying like, guys, I'm absolutely flabbergasted that you think people aren't fucking on your mattresses. And it just seems odd to me that that was one of the, that was one of the, that was one of the

Starting point is 00:40:51 of my favorite cancellations for a commercial ever. Ari's lost a ton. I would love to know all the ones he's lost. I don't want to speak out of school when he comes on. I'll have him like list them off all the ones that he's lost for these fucking insane commercials that he used to do. And it's the same deal. But it's like that's what I like. And guess what?

Starting point is 00:41:14 Who fuck is listening to Ari Shafir? People who love Ari Shafir, which want to hear that kind of a commercial. If you want to actually sell your product to, an R. A.S. Fierre fan. Let him say whatever the fuck he wants. Let him say whatever the fuck he wants. Just say, make him have a disclaimer. Draft Kings did not write this. Right. That's it. Just let him say whatever the fuck he wants.

Starting point is 00:41:33 That's what I will say. I will always say. They didn't tell me to say this. Perfect. Then they're off the hook. They should shut the fuck up. Most people are cool with it. Like it's very rare these days that that happens. But every once in a while, I will get a note that someone's mad at me for something I said. And it's never something negative. But I mean, I mean, dude, do you, like, it's so, it's so weird to me that this, this is our jobs. Oh, bro, do you remember when we first started? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:05 It was for nothing. No one made any money. We just had a couch. I had a couch and some microphones. It was so pure. It was, the whole thing is still kind of pure. If you really think about it, like, is something that's mass consumed. This is about as like pure as you can get.

Starting point is 00:42:22 That for sure. And you've gotten in trouble for that. But you know, like a lot of people, unfortunately, I don't blame anybody these days. A lot of people have kids. People feel like they have to be very careful what you say these days because of like social rejection and stuff like that. But there was a time where that wasn't on your mind at all.

Starting point is 00:42:43 You didn't think anybody was going to listen. Like this shit was like completely. strange underground tech that we were and also I really loved the just doing it just for doing it sake you know what I mean now exactly there's a whole industry around getting guests for your podcast there's not just that is like click baity clips and ads and it's like you're you're doing this thing where you're you're both having conversations with people and also trying to get the most eyes possible. So you're going after celebrity guests and you're, you know what the big turning point was for us? What? Graham Hancock. You, me and Graham Hancock. Oh yeah. That I think was,

Starting point is 00:43:29 how many years ago was that? That was cool. That might have been one, it was like at my house, I had a few, like legitimately famous people came over my house and did podcasts. Like Charlie Murphy came over and there's, but Graham was, I think, the first. Yeah. He was the first guy. He was the first guy. that I got to meet who I'd read his books and I'd seen, I don't even know what I would be watching back then. I don't even know if YouTube was around. Were you nervous? I was nervous. 100%. Yeah. 100%.

Starting point is 00:43:57 Yeah. The episode 142 in 2011. Yeah. So that's two years into the podcast. Episode 142. He might have been the first guest. It was like either him or Bordane. We were like one of the first legit get. When was Bordane on? They were like the first.

Starting point is 00:44:17 legit guest. 2011. We'd been getting stone talking about... What's that? Four episodes before that. Bordane was? Yeah, 138. Okay, so Bourdain was number one.

Starting point is 00:44:26 I think. It was either him or Charlie. But that was back when I was doing in that little side room in my house. But we've been getting stoned yapping about Graham Hancock for like... Ever. Forever. And you invited me on. I was fucking terrified because I just, I mean, again, like that just wasn't happening in the

Starting point is 00:44:45 podcast land. Like, you know, like, that was a big deal for us, man. And it's like to look at, like, now I go on the podcast app and I look at all these podcasts. And it's like, whoa, who we never, I don't think we thought that. Maybe like, no way. No way. No way. No way.

Starting point is 00:45:05 Not a chance in hell. Yeah, it's so. And now I wonder, like, and I don't mean yours, but I do wonder, like, is it is the landscape changing now? Is it like, because I've heard that podcasts are starting to seem antiquated, that the kids are now into like streams now, that the kids want like clavicular. The kids want like people who are just filming all day long. And that that's the direction it's going in.

Starting point is 00:45:35 But I just, I always wonder, what's the next? But that you'll never get. It's a different thing. You know what I mean? That's like saying, I don't like rap music. I only like concert. P&S albums. Right.

Starting point is 00:45:47 There's different things that people like and don't like. The people that like the streams aren't interested in a Graham Hancock conversation, a three-and-a-half-hour conversation about the potential ancient civilizations that may have existed that are wiped out by a cataclysm. And we just don't understand that. Right. And as more and more things get exposed in terms of like new discoveries, like when he wrote that book, they never even found Go Becli-Tepi yet.

Starting point is 00:46:13 Really? Yes. That was when fingerprints of the gods came out, this was like maybe the beginnings of the whatever they were doing in Gobeckley Tapie. So I think fingerprints of the gods might have been even before. When did they find? It was like in the 90s. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:30 Nuts. So that rewrote the entire timeline of the human race. How do they find it? They're real reluctant to let it rewrite it. They still say, oh, 100 gatherers made these things. Why? Why are they so reluctant with it? They can't let that go.

Starting point is 00:46:44 You cannot let that. That is a crazy thing to say that hunter gatherers have so much food that they just spend all their time making gigantic stone concentric circles from like 15 feet stone with 3D animals carved in them. Yeah, primitive people with sticks and stones

Starting point is 00:47:02 and rubbing them together to make fires. They did this? Yeah, sure. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. This doesn't make any sense. It's older than anything they've ever found. It's 11,800 years old.

Starting point is 00:47:12 Do you buy into the conspiracy theory? that it's a cover-up because they don't want us to know about this inevitable global reset that happens. You buy into that shit? I buy into that a little bit. Yeah. I hate it. I hate it too because it seems like there's some accuracy to it. There seems like there is some sort of an event that happens when the magnetic poles switch.

Starting point is 00:47:36 And that's possible. That's what makes you freak out? You're like, what do you mean that's possible? Like all of a sudden, the earth just does a gyro and spin. on its head and then what happens? And then what's the, what's the environment look like? What's the temperature outside now? Yeah. What the fuck just

Starting point is 00:47:52 happened? Right. See, that, that All of a sudden, you're in northern Alaska when you used to live in Florida. And I think we can... You know what I mean? Like, yeah, dude. Like that temperate environment changes like that. Happens like that all over the, all over the universe. Like, what does it do? Who knows? Well, we act like... Do we know? We act like we know ever... We don't know shit about

Starting point is 00:48:12 what's going on inside the earth. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know what's going on in there. We could do the size. Why are you freaking me out? Because I think about this all the time. The inside is a giant ball of fire. How crazy is that? The inside of our earth.

Starting point is 00:48:25 Isn't it? How do they know? Do they not know? Dude, I think that we have to just accept the fact that, you know, probably that's true. But since we barely know what's under the ocean, we sure as fuck don't know what's under the earth. Well, we definitely know that lava keeps popping out in Hawaii. We know that. Right?

Starting point is 00:48:44 So we know that under the surface, that whole idea of the magma and everything seems real. And when there's earthquakes, you can look at the... And it pops through. You can look at the waves from the earthquakes and you can like see sort of like the structure under the earth. But we can't, you know, God, what's the name of that hole that Russia tried to dig? I love every once in a while going to look at that. It's the deepest hole. Yeah, they tried to go to hell.

Starting point is 00:49:08 I know. It's like that movie. What was that Matthew McConaughey movie, the Dragon movie? They accidentally dug out a dragon. Do you ever see that movie? No. It was fun. It was fun.

Starting point is 00:49:20 It was a good movie. Cola Super Deep. Russian horror film The Super Deep. Cola Super Deep, what does it say? Russian designation for a set of super deep boreholes conceived as a part of a Soviet scientific research program of the 1960s. How deep did they go? 12,226 meters. Yo.

Starting point is 00:49:42 Wait a minute. it. How many feet is a mile? 5,000. So it's miles into the ground in 1989, miles. Seven plus miles down. Imagine just being in an elevator that's going miles into the ground, the kind of claustrophobia you would get in a stone tube that's been cut out of the ground. Yeah. Yeah, you're a fucking communist out there, too.

Starting point is 00:50:07 You're a hardcore communist just drilling deep, deep down into the earth. And then imagine if all of a sudden air just starts coming out and you realize you pop the earth. Like we that's the main thing. You don't know what's in there. And this this 22 miles deep. 22 miles deep. Yeah, that's just the crest and they didn't even get halfway through that. Wow.

Starting point is 00:50:30 Yeah. Yeah, we don't, microscopic plankton fossils were found 3.7 miles below the surface. What? Yeah. Yeah. We don't know what's down there. Boiling mud came out. What if this?

Starting point is 00:50:43 Boiling mud. Boiling fucking mud. I think our real problem is that our lifespan is so short that we think that what we see in front of us right here is going to stay this way. Right. We have this ridiculous idea that what we see right now is going to stay just like that. Yeah, that's right. As long as I control my 401K and get my life in order, everything's going to be fine. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:10 You put on your fucking cuff links. You get out of the house or your briefcase. You're in charge. Yeah. You're a goddamn alpha. Get a job, hippie. Absolutely. But really, you're on a ball of lava.

Starting point is 00:51:21 Yeah. That's spinning around. And it's got magnets at the top. And the magnets are moving. And when they flip, who knows? Have you guys heard about this event that happened in 1961? No. Oh, yeah, this was fine.

Starting point is 00:51:33 Over North Carolina. This was fine. I did hear about this. I just didn't go off because it wasn't armed. Oh, my God. I heard that it was armed, but there were safety. There were like five safety. There were five switches or something that only one of them worked to make it not go off.

Starting point is 00:51:49 But I could be wrong about that. It might have been a different time we dropped a bomb accidentally. Imagine if you were just near it. I mean, dude. Whoopsies. Whoopsies. Whoopsies. Drop the bomb.

Starting point is 00:52:02 Whoopsies. Almost wiped out North Carolina. So we've got, you know, on top of the geomagnetic pole shifting, a complete lack of understanding, at least a full understanding of what's inside our planet, what's underneath our oceans. Tim Burchett saying whatever the fuck they've shown him would set the world on fire. He's having to go on TMZ. I really, I got to say, man, I got a lot of respect for him because he's really, he's gone like gonzo with this shit.

Starting point is 00:52:30 He is full bore pushing disclosure as much as he can. He's saying I'm not suicidal. He's had to say that because and he's talking about these missing scientists and stuff that they're somehow related. So like people like him, you know, that can't be good for your political career to go on TMZ and talk about alien hybrids. And people have to understand like this missing scientist thing, it sounds a little conspiratorial thing. It sounds like a little silly, a little tinfoil hatty. It does. Until you start thinking about the amount of money,

Starting point is 00:53:06 that would be lost if a breakthrough tech came around that revolutionized the way they distribute energy breakthrough zero point energy breakthrough

Starting point is 00:53:18 whatever that is that these people are working on plasma technology whatever the fuck that is you would lose if you're in whatever business

Starting point is 00:53:27 that would be competing with them you're gonna lose so much fucking money you're probably going to go under if you're in the energy business

Starting point is 00:53:33 you're going to or he goes away. And he goes away and there's like him and maybe a few other people that work with them that understand that shit at all. Yeah. Yeah, they're all wandering through the backrooms now. They're gone. And they're all scared. They're all going to scatter like roaches. Yeah. Because their life is in danger and it is. Like this is theoretical. Right. It could be just a coincidence that all these people get into. It's how good it be. Can you pull up? It's impossible. Can you pull up a story on it?

Starting point is 00:53:59 Jamie, I'm sorry, but it's two people from the same fucking lab. Yep. Like what? Yeah. There's I mean, it's gotten to the point that, like, it has hit the mainstream news. Like, people are talking about it. I mean, what's her name? Nancy Guthrie disappears. Is that related, though? No, but I'm just saying this one woman vanishes. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:22 Oh, it gets all this attention. And it gets all the press. But we've got scientists, like two scientists from the same lab disappear. Crickets. Yep. No, like. Weird. Weird, dude.

Starting point is 00:54:33 Real weird. And what you're talking about is, is, if you think about it, it seems like all of human endeavor right now should be moving in the direction of getting off oil. I don't mean for carbon emissions. I mean, because of this fucking oil problem that we have, we're like on the precipice of World War III at any given moment. Right. Mystery around dead or missing scientists privy to space and nuclear secrets grows. So there's space and nuclear secrets.

Starting point is 00:55:05 So imagine being a scientist. You work so hard to, like, figure out some amazing stuff that's going to transform the human experience. Yeah. And then people kill you. Yeah. Literally kill you. Like, in a parking lot, one of those silenced guns. Several American scientists privy to the country's nuclear space and aerospace secrets have either died or gone missing in recent years.

Starting point is 00:55:26 Experts think they could have been targeted by either enemies or allies because they possess valuable knowledge of national interest. That's a weird thing to say. Yeah, it is. Of national interest? What? What does that mean? Like, I'm cool with the beginning part. Enemies, allies.

Starting point is 00:55:41 That tracks. Sure. But then when you say valuable knowledge of national interest, like, what is that? What the fuck does that mean? They possess valuable knowledge of national interest. I mean, dude, it's so many of them. And it's, it's like. It's a crazy thing to say.

Starting point is 00:55:59 Let's go down a little bit to the book. This doesn't have a good list of a much. But it's just a weird way to phrase that. You know what I mean? Is it like CIA talking point? Like, what is that? I don't know. Monica Reza missing.

Starting point is 00:56:12 She disappeared while hiking in California with her friends. Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay, well, I don't know, maybe. Let's scroll down. It's not just like it's one. It's like so many of them. Retired a general. He just wandered off.

Starting point is 00:56:25 He was involved in the UFO community. His wife debunk theories relating to UFOs. If his wife debunked them? That's what it says there. I also, that's, I think she was, I mean, she was joking, I think, a little bit, too, but she also worked there in this situation somehow. Is that a joke? Neil does not have any special knowledge about the ET bodies and debris from Roswell Crash stored it, right, Pat? Is that a joke?

Starting point is 00:56:50 At this point with absolutely no sign of him, maybe the best hypothesis is that aliens beamed him up to the mothership. However, no sightings of a mothership hovering over the Sandia mountains have been reported. There's no way she said that, right? That's a joke. It's men's journal. Well, maybe she's just being funny. Posted a lengthy note on Facebook. Just a little joke about her husband disappearing?

Starting point is 00:57:10 Maybe she was happy. Maybe she's like, finally, I get to sit home with romance novels. Stop talking about aliens and piece of shit. Yeah, shut your fucking mouth. Who cares? Forget the alien bodies. What about your wife's body? Well, maybe she just got grace and she could handle someone missing.

Starting point is 00:57:24 It's pretty funny, though, to say it that way. I mean, it's, yeah, I guess. It's just. Unless, you know, she knows something. Where are they going? Maybe he wanted to leave. And he's like, look, I know too much. I'm going to pretend to go missing, but I'm going to go to Costa Rica.

Starting point is 00:57:41 I mean, just don't tell anybody that you know where I went. And I'll, you know, I'll send for you. You know how weird it is to see the vice president saying that he thinks aliens are demons? I did see that. You know how weird that? Just that, just like living in it, like, that's a dream. That's how, like you would wake up from that dream. And I would tell you, dude, I dreamed the vice president.

Starting point is 00:58:04 aliens or demons. Here's the question, though. What were they talking about in the Bible? When they're talking about aliens and demons, when they're talking about, like, angels, what the fuck were they talking about? And are there different kinds of beings that can, for whatever travel method they use, whether it's teleportation or, you know, the Bob Lazare idea of gravity shifting, whatever the fuck it is. they get here? Why would we assume that they'd all be cool? Right. Like if some of them are, they talk about reptilians. Like reptilian is a common experience that

Starting point is 00:58:47 these supposed UFO abductees, and I'm not even convinced there's like physical abduction. I have a feeling that these people are out cold and something's happening to them inside their head and they think they've been physically abducted. I think that's a lot of them. I think they have these abduction experiences. They come back. They have these kind of And they come back. I have a feeling a lot of them physically aren't going anywhere. But it doesn't mean that something's not happening. And if all throughout history people have reported demonic possession and demonic influences.

Starting point is 00:59:22 Why would we not assume that if we do things to us, like we engineer viruses to use as weapons on people, there's a whole research program. part of the government is dedicated to bio weapons. You're not supposed to use them, but we just have to study them. If we do that to us, wouldn't you assume that any fucking super advanced species that sees us as territorial psychopathic primates with nuclear weapons, wouldn't you just manipulate us into all sorts of different ways? Get us to do all sorts of different things that we shouldn't do. Get us to commit crimes.

Starting point is 01:00:03 Get us to do. Get us angry. Get us agitated. give us different algorithms that are going to fuck with our head to behave demonically. Right. To, like, cause us to collapse.

Starting point is 01:00:16 Or just for fun. Or for fun. Didn't that guy, wasn't there a dude who started giving Zen pouches to ants to get him addicted to nicotine? You know what I mean? The ants, the ants. Did they get addicted?

Starting point is 01:00:28 I don't know if it was Zen pouches, but... Have you ever taken days off of these? No. It doesn't do anything to me. I should try. I don't. I like them, but it's not like, oh my God, I need one. Like, nothing.

Starting point is 01:00:41 That, well, dude, I mean, you're a little different from most people. Like, you seem like you can just kick shit like that. Like, I don't know. I mean, I should try it. I should give it a shot. It's not hard. See what happens. You just don't take them.

Starting point is 01:00:52 What I don't like about them is. It's not like you get the itch. Like, I had a coffee itch for a while. Yeah. I would get hangovers, like, like headaches. Like, oh. And I'd have a little caffeine and boom, I'd be back. I'd like, oh, my God, I'm addicted to coffee.

Starting point is 01:01:05 These things are making my denture stained, which I don't like. What are you using? Renegade rogues. Let me see what that is. Tommy Sagarin likes the rogues. They're great. Did you see this yesterday? Oh, yeah, Bledsoe.

Starting point is 01:01:18 High-res orb from Bledsoe. Look at that. It's weird as shit. It does not look like any of those other things we've seen before. Look at that thing. And it just is. Looks like a cell. Who is Bledso?

Starting point is 01:01:32 Dude. UFO researcher guy? Chris Bled. I've had him on my podcast. Podcast. Bledso said so, that's his podcast. He's fucking awesome. Dude, he's awesome. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:41 It is enhanced, it says, but I don't. No, see that, this is the enhanced one, which means the AI put in some kind of shadowy figure in the back. If you... What if this is just like a highly advanced species version of those balloons that kids have for parties? I know, dude. I mean, what they just send them down to people. That's what's fun. Like, you know, you blow bubbles?

Starting point is 01:02:01 You have those, these dipping in the soap, and you go, and the bubbles go flying in the air. I know, dude. Maybe that's a super advanced version of that. I mean, it could just be, I mean, it does have a bubble quality to it. But this is the other thing. It's like, why are we assuming that life is going to look anything like us once it gets to like a supreme state? Exactly. That might be a living thing.

Starting point is 01:02:19 Right. That might be an actual living thing that's disembodied and is made out of light. Look at it. Look at that thing. That's another one. And, dude, I know people who can, like, call these things. Like, there's a method where these things just start showing up. My friend Steve listened to my Bob Lazar podcast, and he sent me a voicemail.

Starting point is 01:02:41 And it's really interesting because he told me that when he was a kid, and I remember this story, when he was a kid, they, let me find him in the voicemail, they came to his house because he took a photograph of an orb. Like there was a bright red orb, rather, that was flying through the sky. and he was a little kid and he took a photograph of it. So he was in the seventh grade and it says so he called them Project Blue Book came to his house

Starting point is 01:03:13 in Kingston I think that's New York they took it, they never brought it back and they never said hey and then they said hey we have no idea whoever came to see you what the fuck?

Starting point is 01:03:25 Yeah so they took his camera they took his film they wanted to make sure the camera worked they took the film and then they denied that they ever did it Wow. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:35 This was in 19... I think what did he say? He's about 10 years older than me. So this is probably... What is he said? Didn't say the year. I think Steve got... Steve got to be like 70 by now.

Starting point is 01:03:49 But that was when he was a seventh grader. So they were doing that to everybody. Anytime anybody saw anything, they would dismiss it, swamp gas, delusions, mass hallucinations. That was their design. The design was not to investigate. to investigate UFOs, which tells you that there's something they're trying to hide. 100%. If they weren't trying to hide it, why would they take things that they absolutely can't

Starting point is 01:04:11 explain and just chalk it off to bullshit? If you're really doing what you're supposed to be doing, you're supposed to say, there's some stuff that we don't understand. I think that we are post-UFO debunking, right? Like, I think now it's gotten to the point where people will say, well, it's probably top secret military vehicles or something. Something like that. Do you see the Bhabel's art in my new poster?

Starting point is 01:04:35 They're here. Oh, that's fucking... That's going up on the wall. That supposedly, according to Bob, they had that photograph at the hangar where they stored the sport model. Wait, he's saying that's real? No, no, no, no, no. That's a recreation of it. But he said when he worked there, they actually had a photograph like that with a flying saucer and it says they're here.

Starting point is 01:04:59 Holy shit. Yeah. Holy shit. That was in like their room where they work. And I was like, dude, I have to have that. So he got me one. Luigi got me one. The guy who produced the film.

Starting point is 01:05:12 Have you seen that film? Not yet. I've been waiting. It's fucking incredible. It's incredible. People are saying it's better than age of disclosure. It trips me out. I fucking believe him.

Starting point is 01:05:22 I definitely want to believe him and I'm biased in that regard. Like, I definitely way rather believe him than believe he's a crazy liar who also knows a shit ton about science. He was ahead of his time. He's wasn't he like the original whistleblower like now we've got more and more coming out And the stuff he's he was saying seemed bad shit back then but now it just seems to line up It seems to line up even with emerging technology like 3D printers like he said a long time ago that the thing had no seams Right, so there was no seams no welds because we didn't understand it like how how could this be made

Starting point is 01:05:55 Right now we know exactly how you'd make it right might not be able to make that right now Right, but if you give us enough time we go oh yeah the technology has to evolve and then you can make a 3D printed alloy spaceship made out of bismith and magnesium because it has anti-gravitational properties apparently you have a gravity generator inside of that fucking thing oh by the way whatever the fuck gravity is yeah right we don't know that figure that out we're still confused about that dude i watched a whole documentary about black energy or dark energy totally different things dark energy and dark matter and about how it's like what 90% of the fucking universe and they don't know what it is?

Starting point is 01:06:33 Yeah. What? Yeah. Holy shit, man. I know. I know. That's why we need AI to tell us. Give us all the answers.

Starting point is 01:06:41 You just got to accept it into your head, Duncan. You don't need to have your own thoughts by yourself, Duncan. Have your thoughts with Sally. Sally has a sweet voice and she loves you and she's very reassuring. I'd be so cool to change the sound of my thoughts to like, you know, different deeper voices. Or just to keep Sally. Sally's going to be your friend in your head all. I trust her.

Starting point is 01:07:00 I trust her. Then your wife's going to get jealous of Sally. Sally. I thought we switched to Sam. Sally's going to text my wife and tell my wife, you know what Duncan was thinking about the other day. Dude, this is another thing that we all have to be concerned about, which is

Starting point is 01:07:13 privacy at this point is a LARP, right? You pretend you have privacy. You know you're being monitored at all times by your phones. But before we get to Sally, apparently

Starting point is 01:07:30 you can now see people walking through a house just by with Wi-Fi. And remember, and this just came out, they just banned routers from other countries. Well, they banned it for a while from Huawei. Right. Yeah. And so, so then you, you get into like this idea of like, ghost murmur, right? Right.

Starting point is 01:07:53 It can hear heartbeats. What else? It's some quantum machine that can hear heartbeats. What else can they hear? Can you put it, put that into our air? A.I. Sponsor, perplexity. But what is, what actually does this murmur thing do? Ghost murmur.

Starting point is 01:08:11 Let's see what it does. All right. So what is the range of this thing, first of all? No, this is a game that pulled up. Oh. Did they name it after a game? Who knows? Now it's less cool.

Starting point is 01:08:24 I thought that was the dopest name. But if they named it after a game. Oh, there we are. Okay, here it is. A reported codename of a classified CIA. sensor program that was used to help locate the missing U.S. airmen. Okay. It's described in the press reports as a secret weapon the CIA has.

Starting point is 01:08:43 It combines artificial intelligence with long-range quantum magnetometry. Purpose to detect the extremely faint electromagnetic signals of a human heartbeat at long distances, even in harsh environments like a vast desert. That is really crazy. Yeah. How it was used. After the F.15 went down, the pilot weapons officer evaded capture by hiding in the mountainous desert terrain out of sight of Iranian forces. According to reporting, ghost murmur helped pick up his physiological signature from up to about 64 kilometers away.

Starting point is 01:09:20 That is so cool. I think that's about 40 miles, right? Is that what that is? allowing the CIA to narrow down his location and pass precise coordinates to the Pentagon of the White House for a special operations rescue. What is 64 kilometers in miles? You asking me? I'll ask. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:09:39 I'll ask AI. What is 64 kilometers? 39. Yeah. So it's basically 40 miles. 40 miles. 40 miles is crazy. Dude.

Starting point is 01:09:55 Your heart rate. A heartbeat from 40 miles. miles away? Imagine thinking you're, I'm hiding in this cave, but I'm like 20 miles in the city. I'm good. Also, that means it's able to differentiate animal heartbeats. It's able to differentiate other, it knows your heartbeat. How does it do that? Your specific heartpeak. How? Think of all the heartbeats in 40 miles. When did it get it? When did it get that? When did it get that data? Was it when you had your little chest strap on at the gym? When did it get that? How does it have that? When did it get that data.

Starting point is 01:10:24 Yeah. Is it, how the fuck does it know what your heart beat is like? Does it know if your heart is broken? Oh. Like, seriously, though, what else did, like, what other things can they pick up? If they can pick up a human heartbeat, what other, like. From 40 miles away.

Starting point is 01:10:43 What other things? What other physiological signals? What other, this is where you get into schizeland, because at some point, like, wait, is Can they pick up thoughts? Like we know that you can, we know AI can tell what people are thinking at this point, right? Right. Without with like putting something on the outside of their head. So like.

Starting point is 01:11:05 Let me ask you this. Do you 100% believe this? What? This story. Like that they did that. That this is that this tech exists. It could be disinformation. Right.

Starting point is 01:11:18 It could be something to cover up another fucking thing. This is the thing. It is legal. to use disinformation on American citizens now. Yeah, right. And what better time than the time of war? Right. Right.

Starting point is 01:11:30 If you want to use disinformation on American citizens to convince the enemy that you have some supernatural tech. Good way to do it. They better fucking surrender right now. You can find their heartbeat from 40 miles away. Yeah. That'll make people very reluctant to engage with you. Right. It definitely, I thought that this could just be some, like, you know,

Starting point is 01:11:52 bullshit that they're like war propaganda. I don't know. Let's look up that magnetometry thing or whatever it's called. I'm trying to show you guys stuff. Oh, sorry, Jamie. Yeah, it has to even, well, this is quote, it has to be under the right conditions. Under the right conditions, if your heart beats, we'll find you.

Starting point is 01:12:11 Which is also I was trying to show you here on the thing. They ran a deception campaign and I ran to get them away from them while they were trying to find them. Interesting. Yeah, they said, so basically they said, that remember when they said we'd recovered. At one point, they're like, we got him. And then all of a sudden, other news came out, which is like, he's not out yet.

Starting point is 01:12:29 But what they did is they basically, like, signal jammed everything. Because, like, the Iranians were going to give $60,000, which in Iran has a shit ton of money right now because their economy collapsed to anybody you could find him. So this is like everybody's looking for this guy. And so they said that they got him, hoping it would throw people off. It worked. So they used somebody saying that they got him? Yeah, they put disinformation saying that they had already rescued him before they'd rescued him. Really?

Starting point is 01:13:00 Oh, yeah, they sent a whole fucking team of like special forces. I think their planes got stuck in the sand too. So the special forces came to get him. I think they got him. He was injured. Bad ass. He was injured and he fucking climbed up. Like, I can't remember how far he scaled.

Starting point is 01:13:17 He climbed into a fucking crevice and just hid there. And then Ghostmur picks up his heartbeat. Some deep special forces group comes in. They get him. Then their planes get stuck in the sand. They have to blow up their fucking planes because of the attack on them. And then other people had to come and get them. So it's like an insane.

Starting point is 01:13:37 It's like a movie. They got him out. And dude, if they had not gotten him out, can you imagine? Do you buy that story 100%? No. I don't buy any propaganda I hear. But I like to imagine it's film. That one sounds insane.

Starting point is 01:13:49 Well, yeah, I don't believe, I mean, like, this is the story. Yeah, some part of me wants to believe it. In the middle of the war, though, I don't think you're ever going to get the whole story, the real story. You're going to get the story that they want to project to the enemy. Right. Right. First, to the country. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:06 You have no idea what's going on. You have no idea. That's one of the craziest things about the shit happening right now is, no. Do you remember the Jessica Lynch story? No. Who is that? Do we talk about that? The Jessica Lynch story was a lady who was supposedly she was kidnapped and they went to rescue her.

Starting point is 01:14:25 I think they sent in the seals, but she was actually in a hospital. And she wasn't even being guarded and they just took her out of there and got her to medical help. But they made it look like they had this like crazy rescue operations shootout, you know, Tom Clancy novel type shit. Sure. That's not really what happened. And she came out afterwards and was very critical. the story. Oh, really? Yeah. She was like, why did you lie? See, you can find

Starting point is 01:14:51 information about that. I was just in the hospital. You guys came and got me out of the hospital. See, this is the thing. It's like, there's things that you'll say, so the enemy thinks of you a certain way, right? Like, I'm going to get rid of your entire fucking civilization. Right. Or, you know, you tell them we never leave anybody behind. We're going to come get them, and we can find your heart rate from 40 miles away. When Trump posted that, of course, like, your mind's

Starting point is 01:15:17 scrambling. Like, how do I make this not what it is? You can't. You can't because what it is is like, even if he is using some kind of like crazy hardcore shit that would like help you buy a skyscraper, you're still, you know what I mean? You're still, even if it's just a ruse, what you're doing at that point is you're just signaling to the world.

Starting point is 01:15:42 Exactly. That you're out of your fucking mind. That you, that you, that like, you. To you, this makes sense to say anything like that. It makes sense to signal to like Russia. Hey, because like, you know when Putin read that shit, he's like, oh, we're doing nukes? I guess we're doing fucking nukes. This is great.

Starting point is 01:16:02 They're doing nukes. You know, that- Well, China already warned Israel, right? Well, that's what I heard. I heard China had some part in this, that China was going to blow up Israel if- if they used nukes. Yeah. So this is the story.

Starting point is 01:16:14 19-year-old U.S. Army Private, whose 2003 capture and rescue in Iraq became highly publicized and lately heavily disputed, later rather, heavily disputed, symbolic story of the Iraq War. So she was a supply Kirk 507th maintenance company. Her convoy lost her in Iraq, ambushed by Iraqi forces. Humvee, she rode on crash into a disabled U.S. truck during the attack. She was knocked unconscious, suffered multiple broken bones and a spinal fracture from the crash rather than from a dramatic fight. firefight. Eleven U.S. soldiers in her unit were killed, including her close friend who died of head trauma from the collision.

Starting point is 01:16:52 Lynch was captured, taken first by Iraqi forces, and then to a hospital in Nassaria, where Iraqi doctors treated her injuries and likely saved her life. That's why she was pissed. The rescue and media narrative was U.S. Special Forces operations conducted nighttime raid on the hospital, recovering Lynch and flying her out by helicopter. for a successful rescue of an American POW since World War II and the first of a woman. So they framed it as a POW rescue.

Starting point is 01:17:22 Right. And what really happened is the Iraqi doctors took care of her. Right. And then they let them come and get her. Right. Yeah. So I see why she was pissed.

Starting point is 01:17:31 Yeah. So later U.S. military and medical reports indicated she had not been shot or stabbed. So did it ever say she was shot? Hold on. Soon after major U.S. media, especially an early Washington Post report described her as having fought fiercely, emptying her rifle, being shot and stabbed,

Starting point is 01:17:52 and then being dramatically snatched from enemy hands under heavy fire. Wow. The Washington Post wrote that. That narrative turned her into a Rambo-style hero and a symbol of courage and American virtue, amplifying her story far above that of many other service members in the conflict. Right. So she really just got in a crash and they made up a bunch of shit. And maybe it was, maybe it was someone in the Washington Post or maybe it was someone for the government that works for the Washington Post.

Starting point is 01:18:21 There's definitely like entire department of the DOD that right. Cook up a story. Yeah. And like it's war. Like if you're dropping bombs on people, you're definitely going to lie. Like you don't have to tell the truth. Right. They're not going to tell the truth.

Starting point is 01:18:37 Yeah. But for her, you're making her live a lie. That's what's fucked. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you send her home just to live this lie. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, this is exactly what they say the people who went to the moon after she said. She says Lynch has repeatedly rejected the false hero narrative calling herself just a survivor and openly criticizing the way her story was shaped and sold to the public. Yeah, poor girl. She's got to like deal. You got stabbed and shot. Like no. No. No, he didn't. No. She had to. Kind of fucking horrible car accident. My friend died. I wonder, I guess legally, like, you don't have to stick with the propaganda, right? Because she didn't get in trouble for that, right? She didn't get, there was no court martial or anything.

Starting point is 01:19:18 So you can, so if the propaganda machine cooks up a story about you, you're able to say that's bullshit. The thing is, it's like, if you give it to someone at the Washington Post and then you never go after the Washington Post for writing something that's completely horseshit. Like an intelligence agency gives a story to the Washington Post. Yeah. It says, hey, go write this. And then they write it. And it's complete and total horseshit. but the government gave it to him, so they're not going to prosecute them.

Starting point is 01:19:41 It just goes away. But then that story's out there. And then this poor girl's like, I got what? I got a fucking car accident. Nobody shot me. This is nuts. God damn. I fought my way out fiercely emptying my rifle.

Starting point is 01:19:54 This is bananas. It's so crazy to live in the part of the hive we're in because there is this world that we live inside of that more and more we're beginning to realize is just composed of propaganda, lies, shit cooked up to keep people in a certain, like living a certain way. Exactly. It's so, it's such a mind fuck to try to push outside the boundaries of like all the information that you've consumed and let your brain go there. It's really hard to do that, man.

Starting point is 01:20:26 I mean, this is why psychedelics are so useful because it will help you. But it more and more and more, it just feels like the laser pointer that they're, using to grab our attention is getting increasingly hypnotic. It's becoming increasingly difficult to resist staring at that fucking thing. They're getting so good at it. Yep. Yeah. And meanwhile, there's this whole universe happening around us that God knows what's going on there. God knows what is being cooked up right now that is, or groups of people, who knows, living in completely alternate timelines that look at us like, you know, animals that look at us is just some like compartment in a much bigger biome.

Starting point is 01:21:18 You know, that shit like really like is interesting these days because it feels like more and more and more people are not buying it as much. Right. You know, that doesn't that. Well, people have access to information now that was never available before. Right. And you get to hear conversations like this. Right.

Starting point is 01:21:35 talking about stuff where you go oh my god this is insane all of it's insane but what does that mean for like this to me the the you know this do you want some water no I'm good thanks to me the scary the scary what's scary is like I I really don't know that many people right now who buy anything that the federal government's putting out there everyone hears whatever the fucking federal government is saying and it's just kind of maybe probably not we don't know they're not telling all the truth just like you you said, they can legally lie to us. And so that is, that does make me nervous. Like, what happens when the, the majority of people no longer believe anything the regime is saying?

Starting point is 01:22:20 That creates some interesting dysphoria. You know what I mean? It's, it's, it's creepy when anyone who's been conned before, there's a part of a con, or you don't know you're being conned. Right. But where the con gets really creepy is you start realizing you're getting conned. Do you ever watch that Going Clear, the HBO thing? Dude, loved it. Amazing, right? But there was that one famous director who talked about the moment where they gave him access to the ancient scripts.

Starting point is 01:22:53 Yeah, dude. And the origins of humanity and all that. And he was like, oh, my God. You could see it, like, as he was describing it, like, that was the moment where he was 100% certain. It was all horseshit. and he had invested a massive chunk of his life into this shit. That's a hard day. That's a hard fucking day.

Starting point is 01:23:09 And especially weird when it's such a smart guy. Yeah. Such a smart and talented guy. And they got him. Yeah. Leah Remini, same deal. Yeah. You know, Leah Remini's very smart.

Starting point is 01:23:20 Like, she used to be out with Kevin James and the King of Queens, like tough chick, like, assertive. Like, how did she get got into that? How many people get got into the Mooneys? Sunk and cause fallacy. It's a sunk. can cause fallacy, the more you invest in something, the more you stick with it because you don't want to lose your investment. Right. And if they get you young, when you don't know what the fuck is going on. That's right. Anybody could have got me when I was like 20. That's right. And it's crazy just to see the propaganda. Like, you know, there's just a lot of people out there who just like just got sucked in to something that, you know, I just feel stupid because like, you know, before the Trump thing happened, I was pretty blackpilled on politics in general. I've, I've thought.

Starting point is 01:24:03 pretty black-pilled. I did believe it here and there. I was every once in a while, you know, yeah. But, you know, I was pretty, you know, I remember taking LSD for the first time and being like, well, this shouldn't be illegal. What the fuck is this? How come I can go to jail for five years for this? This is fucking ridiculous. And so that was the beginning of me being completely blackpilled with whatever the federal government was up to. It's just, if that's, if I can go to jail for five years for this, everything is bullshit everything now that's a weak point of view just because one thing's bullshit

Starting point is 01:24:37 doesn't mean everything's bullshit but then like this fucking ridiculous like pseudo-nationalist movement happens and a lot of people got caught by it the other option was fucked up comely you know what I mean but there was this like moment

Starting point is 01:24:53 where you're like holy shit the outsiders are getting in they're going to stop the wars they're going to this I think right now all of us are getting for the briefcase Scientology moment right now, which is like, it doesn't matter what fucking mask the person calling themselves the president is wearing. It's always going to be the same thing. They're going to analyze the market. They're going to say what they need to say to grab the most voters. And then they're going to fucking keep blowing up people in the Middle East because of oil.

Starting point is 01:25:29 and I just like I just feel dumb because I really believed it dude I fucking believed that we would not do any more Middle Eastern wars I fell for it I was I really bought it man it's and it makes me feel so dumb like I am now fully

Starting point is 01:25:46 blackpilled when it comes to American politics like I realize like God it's so easy I don't think anybody should feel bad I don't think anybody should feel bad because a lot of us really hated war. A lot of us really, really hated that our country's been at war for 93% of its history.

Starting point is 01:26:10 A lot of us really hated the fact that politicians leave their offices and go work for Lockhe, Martin, Halliburton, wherever, that there's a weird connection between the main weapons, what they call them the Big Five or whatever and the federal government, that there's like back room deals going on all the time. We hated that and mostly we just hated the fact that we're paying taxes to blood of children. And then Trump and fucking Bants come around. And there somehow, even though like probably like when you look at Trump, I don't know if I'm going to believe that, dude. But somehow he did it. Hypnotize. What a powerful magician. No more wars.

Starting point is 01:26:53 No more wars. And now the same bullshit, Joe. Not just the same bullshit, but like one of the ones that's. doesn't make the least amount of sense in terms of like when they did it and why they did it yes you blow up the leader during Ramadan like are you trying to make it a pot like why did you have to do it now are you really convinced that at this time they're really two weeks away from making a nuclear weapon like are we fucking sure two weeks but that it's not like we haven't heard that before right so at a certain point in time like how much pressure does israel have to put on the president like that's a a a crazy amount of influence. Knowing that. Because if, say if Israel didn't exist, let's say there was just the Iranian terror regime supposedly sponsoring, not supposedly sponsoring.

Starting point is 01:27:44 I don't think it's supposedly. I think that's 100%. Right. But I'm just trying to be precise. Precisely. So you have this state-sponsored terrorism regime. A dictator, they're dictators, they control. They run over their people on the streets.

Starting point is 01:27:59 They gun down protesters. They killed two Olympic gold medalists in wrestling, at least one and one other really promising young wrestler. They kill people that are of high profile so that it sends a message. You can't protest. You know, and then cut off the internet. Yeah. Would we go in? I don't think so, right?

Starting point is 01:28:22 If we heard by allies or someone told us that they were trying to develop a nuclear weapon, don't you think we'd probably try to stop them from doing that with some sort of negotiation? and ensure their safety or something. We shouldn't. Like, yeah, would we blow, how much money was it every day in the war, Jamie? How much was we spending $2 billion every day on that fucking war? Well, it's not just that. It's like the war is like everything else.

Starting point is 01:28:48 Like, imagine if it was run by a private company. I'm not saying war should be run by a private company, but imagine if it was. Yeah. Imagine if, say, like, Lockheed Martin ran the war in Afghanistan. Dan, do you think they would have left behind all that fucking equipment? Hell no. Billions of dollars in helicopters and tanks? Of course they wouldn't.

Starting point is 01:29:09 They would take it back. You know, why? Because that's the smart thing to do if you're running a fucking business. That's an insane amount of waste. But our federal government's like, just leave it there. Unless, if you want to be really conspiratorial, you want to arm the Taliban. Yeah, you're not being conspiratorial. It benefits you because it gives you another reason to get back in there.

Starting point is 01:29:27 Wasn't that what they said about Netanyahu said about. Hamas that he can control the flame. Yes. By funding Hamas, he can control the flame. Yes. Yeah. Dude, it is... That's a crazy concept. I'll tell you the crazy fucking concept. We got these two old motherfuckers driving

Starting point is 01:29:43 the global bus right off a fucking cliff. That's a crazy fucking concept. Is it somehow... And you can't do anything about it. Like, apparently, you just... There's nothing you could do. You could bitch about it on a podcast. That's not going to do anything. People are just going to be like, you push

Starting point is 01:29:59 See you are good blow up kids. There's a lot of people that want to say it's a good thing. Well, because sunken cause fallacy, it doesn't feel good to admit you got conned. And, dude, I have been in... There's a lot of that. It doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good. It's embarrassing.

Starting point is 01:30:17 You want to feel like you are impervious to grift, impervious to con. Dude, let me tell you something. I have been in a few colds. Like, I get sucked in all the time by shit. I'm not embarrassed. to say it. I'm highly susceptible to propaganda. Me too. I think

Starting point is 01:30:37 everybody is. That's why it works. I mean, I don't buy into all of it, obviously, but it's quite a bit. Well, it's like a lullaby. It's like a sweet fairy tale. You hear it and you're like, oh my God. You know what I really wanted propaganda? What? Right after September 11th. Oh, hell yeah. I was ready.

Starting point is 01:30:53 Give me a whiskey, drinking cigar, smoking, politician in a room. Fuck yeah. Like laying out. some red meat-eating guy laying out maps. We're gonna go over there and fuck these people up and fuck these people up and this shit ain't happening again. Right.

Starting point is 01:31:08 And that's scary. Check this out. I saw an article about someone calling bullshit on ghost murmur and they said that in the post articles this was actually listed as what the pilot had and it even says it in this article here. So the successful rescue of this US F-15E strike eagle navigator over southwestern Iran highlighted one of the most advanced tools in modern combat search and rescue, the combat survivor evader locator, manufactured by Boeing. It's a compact 800 gram device integrated into a pilot's survival vest. It remains attached after ejection, continuously transmitting encrypted location data and preloaded

Starting point is 01:31:44 messages such as injured or ready for extraction. These signals use rapid frequency hopping in ultra-short bursts, making detection by enemy electronic warfare systems extremely difficult. He was going into how the explanation of what this technology is and what they described it doing don't really match up. Yeah, they're... With the ghost burmer thing? Right. Because it's using something...

Starting point is 01:32:09 Ghost murmur... Ghost murmur sounds... There's part of me that's going, I don't buy that one. That one gives me like, eh. You're right. I don't think you can do that. I think you're bullshitting. You're right.

Starting point is 01:32:22 There's also a thing where Hegseth said, like the first message this guy said. was God is good? No, he didn't say that. I believe he did. Please search that. I think that's what he said. I think that's what he said. That was the first message, which, by the way, I might say that if they're coming to

Starting point is 01:32:37 rescue me. That's true. True. Or praise Jesus. But also, what concerns me, as a person who admires the work of Jesus Christ, what concerns me is, what concerns me is there is an increasing amount of talk among a lot of these guys that are in the service of them being told shit that's like right out of a Charlton Heston movie.

Starting point is 01:33:00 Yeah, man. Yeah. Like the one guy that said that Trump was anointed by Jesus Christ and that this was to bring the Armageddon so that Jesus comes back. Jesus. Yeah. And the guy said it with a big creepy smile on his face, apparently. So what does he say?

Starting point is 01:33:14 His first message was simple and it was powerful. He sent a message, God is good. in that moment of isolation and danger, his faith and fighting spirit shown through. Jesus. The Jastica Lynch story. Jesus, Lord and heaven. History repeats itself. Well, it doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.

Starting point is 01:33:39 Who said that? That's Mark Twain. That's right. That's Mark Twain. That's right. Isn't that the same statement? Yeah. It's Allah.

Starting point is 01:33:45 Yeah. Yeah. Allah is the greatest. Yeah. The interesting thing is like, I believe Muslims, believe a lot of things about Jesus Christ. I think they believe he died, came back, and I think they believe he's going to return someday.

Starting point is 01:34:02 Yeah, I think they call Christians people of the book. That's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. That's a supernatural being. Like a guy who dies, comes back to life, leaves, and then he's going to come back again. That was 2,000 years ago. We're just sitting here at the bus stop.

Starting point is 01:34:19 Waiting. Just waiting on Jesus. Waiting. But then people like Heg-South. are like, well, maybe if you blow up more children, he'll come quicker. And that's why, you know, this shit is addressed in the Bible. Praise God, it does say, many of you will come to me. And I will say, I don't know you.

Starting point is 01:34:37 I don't know the fuck you are, Hegg Zeh. I don't know you, you flatulent, warmonger piece of shit. Suffer the little children that come unto me. It would be better that a millstone were tied around your neck and you were thrown in the ocean than to hurt one of these little ones. Fuck you, drum bomb dropping piece of shit. Don't use my name to justify what you're doing. Don't use my, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:34:59 That's what I don't like. Have you seen that fucking crazy, that lady that Trump made the head of the religion? No. Can you pull up Trump? Does she speak in tongues? Yeah. Please say she speaks in tongues. You said, yeah, he wanted to believe.

Starting point is 01:35:15 Those are my favorite people. I'm going to guess. But do you think that there's something to that? Yeah. Glossolia? Yeah. Glossolia. Is that what they say?

Starting point is 01:35:29 Yeah. Paula White Kane, you should pull up one of her sermons. Oh, let me hear some love from this lady. It says crazy. Batchit crazy. Let's hear some of it. I don't know. I'll hear some of that.

Starting point is 01:35:43 I'm sinning angels are coming. Angels. Yeah, I mean, it's going to be her. Let me find that. Oh, was she going to? We'll get dinged again. I don't know. I'm just trying to find out of the place.

Starting point is 01:35:54 Don't get dinged. Let's hear what this is not worth. Everybody can. Here we hear what she says. I haven't seen this. First off, to give honor to God and to President Trump for being bold and unwavering with this faith. Many people don't know like you do and say hello to Eric and everyone in the family about the

Starting point is 01:36:14 upbringing of President Trump that he went to sometimes three times a week to. he said it depended on the teacher to Saturday school, Sunday school church. It was at Norman Vincent Pills. Church was a big part of his life, of course. Three times a week. It's basically insane. Three times a week

Starting point is 01:36:34 is crazy. Are you busy? You're making houses. How do you have so much time to go to church? I think that was a young Trump from young... Come on, lady. There's much more in... But here's the thing. If I was running an empire, I'd want a lady like that working for me. Just a true believer.

Starting point is 01:36:50 Absolutely. She could just get in front of that camera, says Jesus wanted Trump to light that fire in the Middle East. I saw a snake by the... So he can return. A snake bit him on the neck, a rattlesnake, bit him on the neck. And he... He was fine. It didn't bother them at all.

Starting point is 01:37:05 I watched the rattlesnake by heel. It healed. He is a child of the Lord. And a child of the Lord sometimes make, must make decisions to destroy entire civilizations. To run around this building right now that you're in right standing, not because of your merit. There's no merit in you that deserves that right standing, not because of your works. There's nothing you can do to place yourself in that position. Not because you have a right heart and somebody else has a wrong heart. All of our hearts are deceitful, according to Jeremiah.

Starting point is 01:37:36 Especially in Iranians. We all deserve punishment. We all deserve to be separated. But God and his mercy and his grace and his goodness and his love for you brought Jesus who would be the righteous king. He would make the wrong right. First of all, if you talk like that in my house, you got to leave. Like, you imagine that lady is like coming over for dinner and she's walking around the dinner table and all your other friends are like, what the fuck does happen? Like, hey, this is a crazy way to talk.

Starting point is 01:38:06 This is a crazy way to talk. And also, why are you so confident? Yeah. Okay? You're just reading the word of God the way everybody else is. Why are you so confident that you're going to tell all these people what they're supposed to do and how to live their life, and you're going to say it in a crazy way, and I'm not supposed to be able to talk about that? I just feel like, you know, when somebody's rambling about Jesus, the real question is like,

Starting point is 01:38:32 where are you when it comes to blowing up children? Are you kind of on the fence about that? Because if you're on the fence about that, I'd say. If you're anti-abortion and pro-war, kind of weird. Really weird. Kind of weird. Yeah, and that's this, like, bizarre, like crazy math that's. some of these people are doing to justify holding up the military industrial complex.

Starting point is 01:38:54 And it's fucked up, dude. And the thing is, like, the more of these conflicts occur, the more enemies will have, which will ensure future conflicts. Exactly. Business is booming. Boomin. And that's what people don't want to believe. They don't want to believe that someone to an engineer or virus.

Starting point is 01:39:08 They don't want to believe that someone would, like, make stuff that could kill other people of their own country. But they would. They would if they could make money. They don't give a fuck about you. They don't give a fuck about people over there. to certain level of psychopaths, money just becomes numbers on a ledger

Starting point is 01:39:23 that they're trying to acquire. And if they can attach themselves to a corporation, fantastic. Then it's just the business we're in. That's it. And chug along, daddy. Chug along. Chug along.

Starting point is 01:39:34 And this is the world that you're having to live in at the same time where Tim Bichette is saying there's fucking aliens. Right. And then also they shot a rocket to the moon on April Fool's Day. And it's like, The fuck.

Starting point is 01:39:49 This script is wild. Whoever met that's, whoever wrote this, I want to give him a hug. You fucking killed it, dog. I'd be like, dude. A chef's kiss. Dude. Did you see the tattoo on the guy, like the guy at NASA? Did you see that weird fucking tattoo on the guy at NASA given like, I don't know,

Starting point is 01:40:07 applesauce to one of the astronauts? Can you pull up the weird, you know, they're shoving like yogurt pouches in there. There was a whole thing where the astronauts are sitting there and they're putting like food pouches in there. Yeah. What's his tattoo? Oh, Jesus Christ. What the fuck was that? He's got a demon tattoo with runes on his fingers? Yes. Holy shit.

Starting point is 01:40:28 Bro, that's wild. I know. I know. If I was rolling with that guy in Jiu-Jitsu, I'd get nervous. Yeah. And if I was working at NASA, I'd be like, look, we're going to get somebody else to put the food pouches in. Is that real? I mean, I saw the photo going around too, but I don't, it's just a guy works at NASA.

Starting point is 01:40:46 That's just the guy that works at NASA, though. That doesn't have to be the guy who puts the fucking Kish in his pocket for the camera. What does that guy do at NASA? That's interesting. I just remember being at Space X. There's a lot of people that kind of... By the way, I got, like, it's fine to have that tattoo, but you've got to know. It's like if you're displaying that tattoo, while you're putting, yeah, that too.

Starting point is 01:41:08 You've made some mistakes. It's an old tattoo. I mean, even if you're 20 and you got that on your fucking hand, that's kind of crazy. But I mean, hey, why not? Fuck it. Who cares? But a lot of those guys you were saying at SpaceX, they're a burly rocket workers.

Starting point is 01:41:21 Yeah. There's a bunch of jacked dudes picking up fucking girders. I don't think it's like what people are saying it is. It's the combination of April Fool's Day and a dude with a seeming bail tattoo is putting cream cheese in some dude's outfit. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:41:38 They're fucking with us. It seems like someone's fucking with us. That's people at NASA fucking with stoners. I think it's the Babylon B. had one of the funniest little memes and it said the lady astronaut became the furthest, the woman got away from the kitchen. That's like a Rodney Dane.

Starting point is 01:41:57 I was like, oh my God. Babylon B knocks it out of the park. They have some of the funniest memes. They have some good ones, dude. Oh, my God. Yeah. The onion is gone missing. They should look for the onion

Starting point is 01:42:08 the same place where those scientists are. Right? You hardly hear from it anymore. Well, they do. I see some funny shit from them once in a while. They occasionally have some badgers. But they were the kings of it. The onion was amazing.

Starting point is 01:42:19 The best. And they read whole articles about it. It wasn't just like the onion wasn't just a meme. Remember the one where they do the interview with the director of the Fast and the Furious and it's like a five-year-old boy? It was so funny. You shit. They get this kid to just say it. Then there's a car.

Starting point is 01:42:37 It jumps. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. Yeah. But the problem was like as things got weird, It was, you know, especially with like restrictive language and, you know, hate speech, talk and all that jazz. Everybody had to be careful about what they joked around about. That's the fucking death of comedy.

Starting point is 01:42:57 Oh, my God. Someone was just talking about, was it Lisa Kudrow or one of these funny ladies was talking about why they can't make comedies anymore? Because you can't. There's just too many restrictions. Dude, I was going to bring you. She worried about offending people. I went to this used bookstore and bought like 10 old National Lampoon magazines. I wanted it from the 70s.

Starting point is 01:43:20 And I was going to bring me here. I forgot. I was going to be with you. But it's, oh my God. Like, I mean, I don't get offended by comedy. But like, some of the shit in these old national lampoons, I'm like, damn, what the fuck? Like, it is so. Was that the image that you sent me today?

Starting point is 01:43:38 What image did I send you? Arkrum. You sent me an R. Crum. Oh, no, that was just like a cool art. him talking about how he like he's so funny dude that guy car crumb was a mania is he still live yeah he shot him on the show is he live yeah he lives in france now right probably probably oh definitely he's he's an odd guy man dude yeah just but what i love that did ever watch

Starting point is 01:44:02 that documentary the best incredible did all that acid just left his fucking family went off and started sketching for a year turns into this like legendary underground comic book writer but he's like horny and kinky and it's just just like big women big giant women that he rides yeah that he likes to ride he likes to be he likes to be picked up but he's like so amazingly funny and like yeah and brilliant too like a lot of his like commentary on culture is so it's cynical but it's hard to argue with some of what well he's obviously doing it in a humorous way yeah and so it's hard to know what his real take on things are, you know, I think he had some shock value to some of his stuff, for sure. Some of it was just crazy. There's a lot of, like, really racist stuff. Like, there's,

Starting point is 01:44:49 there's some just crazy stuff in there. And you got to realize, like, in the 1970s is when he was doing this. Right. I remember I found them when I was in San Francisco. It was the first time I ever saw them. They're so good. And I was like, this is nuts. Like, this stuff is crazy. Like, you'd get it. It was like, you'd get horny when you're a little kid, like, looking at his stuff. I definitely jerked off to our crime. Because a lot of them was like, tithes. her out and he's salivating and he's got a hard on. Yeah, he reminds me, dude, I got an art crumbach. I got to get out of the fucking living room.

Starting point is 01:45:16 There's one like, I just like, I just, like, I just, hide that. I got to hide that. Yeah. Holy shit. They haven't, it's like buried. The doctor is amazing because you get to see his like very strange family, his brother, who's very strange, his mother's very strange, and they're like, whoa, imagine growing up in this environment.

Starting point is 01:45:32 He attributes his style to LSD. He attributes it to getting blasted on acid. I think he just like got blasted on acid and moved to Sanford. Francisco and was in like for a year he talks about just sitting in cafes just like drawing and then he turns into this legendary artist still around it follow him on Instagram it's really post stuff all the time I think can we is he still he's still live he's still posting stuff he's got to be pretty old at this point how old is he like 80 it's a two it's kind of an interesting time capsule into the times too where things

Starting point is 01:46:10 could just be weird, like really weird, like Frank Zappa weird. You know, there was like, there was a time where things just got very odd in this country with art. Yeah. And he was a great example of that. It's just, it's like, you couldn't imagine like a corporate environment creating a comic book like that. It wouldn't exist, you know, and for it to be as popular as it was and be that strange

Starting point is 01:46:34 and that crazy, that's what's really interesting to me. Like, that was a really popular comic. Yeah. to the point where they made a documentary about the guy who created it, right? Yeah, yeah. That's interesting. Things weren't co-opted as quickly.

Starting point is 01:46:47 Exactly. Not just that, people were allowed, you know, like if he existed in a time of the internet, I think it would blow up as well. But obviously, like things, a lot of the stuff that he said in this cultural environment would never fly. Never.

Starting point is 01:47:01 Never. He would be as far right as you could possibly imagine. I don't know if- Past Andrew Tate to the right. I mean, like. Don't you think in a lot of ways? like some of the racial stuff? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:47:14 I think he's, I don't know where you would land politically, but I know, because sexually, it's like pure devious. Sexually is where he's getting in trouble. Pure devious. Sexually is where there's going to be some, like,

Starting point is 01:47:24 because he's just fully open. Right. About, that's what he's fully, completely open about everything. Right. Which is, you know, generally not going to go over these days if you're like a super horny comic book artist

Starting point is 01:47:40 who's like, like riding ladies around your apartment. But just imagine, I want you imagine, a guy today, if Arkrum never existed, but he emerged as Arkrum today and put that workout. He would 100% be labeled in the Andrew Tate camp. Oh, yeah, right, yes, 100%. 100%. Far right.

Starting point is 01:47:59 They would call him a racist and, you know, misogynist and every fucking word in the book. Well, yeah, this is the new, like, calling someone a witch. It's like, it's no different than, like, You can actually go, I've done this sadly. You can go and you can just replace, like, political critique of people as far right with the witch. Just find and replace it. Look, it's like a witch trial. It's like someone writing about witches.

Starting point is 01:48:23 But this is what's weird about it. That guy was a counterculture figure of the left. Yeah. He was a huge hero of the hippies. Yeah. Right? Imagine this is how weird, like, ideologies are. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 01:48:37 In the 1970s, like, that guy. was like a counterculture hero. Yeah. And an artist, like a really respected artist. Yeah. And it was okay that he was kinky and weird. And it was part of the fun. For a lot of people.

Starting point is 01:48:51 I'm sure he's still pissed off the squares. I mean, dude, this whole, by the way, I think. For sure, but that's the left then. Now it's switched over. If someone was doing that same kind of like humor in a comic book now, that would be like a misogynist far right. I think it's time to throw off the left, right. labeling of everything.

Starting point is 01:49:12 I think that's one of the the hypnotic spirals of the dimmy are just spinning right now as they've convinced everybody that humans can be reduced to left or right and we're all waggling our fingers

Starting point is 01:49:27 at each other. We got to fucking shake that off because it's dehumanizing people. It's like it's just the way I look at it is where are you when it comes to blowing up children? Are you on the fence about that?

Starting point is 01:49:42 Do you think sometimes you got to blow up kids? That's something that I know I'm not that. But everything else, who the fuck knows? And also, people change their minds all the fucking time. That's the other quality. The culty quality is once you get sucked into one of these sides, God help you if you fucking like experiment with the other, the enemy. God help you.

Starting point is 01:50:05 That's why the biggest trap is switching teams. because you can only switch political teams once. Yeah, you got to get off the team. You can't go. Unless someone's like the greatest of all time, you know what I mean, like someone who wins a world title in two different weight classes, you go back and forth and then back again. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:50:23 Like I changed my mind. The left went crazy. I'm back with the right again. No, no, no. You've got to be a free agent. I wonder. Yeah, but I wonder if someone, if the grift is strong, if they're really good at it, if they could go left, right, left again.

Starting point is 01:50:37 they're going to go left again. Are you fucking kidding? The goddamn midterms are going to be just a fucking blue wave. Right, right, right. But that's what I mean is like influencers. Like people who are like far left influencers or far left commentators and then they switch teams. Now they're Republican all the way. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:50:55 Like it's really hard to go back again. No, you can't go back. That's what I'm talking about. The path has to go either right to left, left to right. And then the next stop has got to be fucked. politics. Fuck war. Fuck the military industrial complex. You can label me whatever the fuck you want, but fuck all of violence against other human beings. That's the next step. The next step, and I feel like this is the gift that they've given us is they've done such a shoddy job of

Starting point is 01:51:26 like even seeming like someone who deserves any kind of respect or power that I think a lot of people have really become blackpilled when it comes to, you know, groups of humans claiming superiority or claiming to represent their constituents. That's not happening. Yeah. We all know that now. We all know it's a corporatocracy, oligarchy, whatever. And you could like call me, you left this piece of shit.

Starting point is 01:51:52 You, right? Whatever. No. It's like, it's reality that we are, our fucking representatives are getting loaded on shitty stock market trades. This is just the truth. And once we can all shake off the left, right

Starting point is 01:52:10 bullshit, and just realize like, man, we just, we don't want to burn people to death in other countries anymore. Not only that, their whole chaos that they're experiencing in their country is probably a direct result of U.S. intervention, and then all the way back

Starting point is 01:52:26 to the British oil company. That's it. The British petroleum company. Yeah. When they, when they overthrew governments, When you overthrow a government in a fucking Middle Eastern country and then you allow psychos to take over. Like, congratulations. Well done. Well done. You've made the world a safer place.

Starting point is 01:52:42 But that again, if I was going to keep my business running, you know, if I'm in the business of collecting trash. Yeah. I want to make sure the people have trash. Drill, baby, drill. Drill baby drill. And all that is really saying is, you know, I'm going to help out BP Chevron. I'm going to help out these fucking massive companies. And when it comes to war, holy fuck, dude.

Starting point is 01:53:06 Can you imagine working at Lockheed Martin when, like, you hear that we're kicking off another war in Iran? Your dick is so hard. You're like, holy shit. Thinking about a watch. Oh, get a nice Richard Millet. You're calling your wife. You're like, babe, good news. It's Red Panty's Night.

Starting point is 01:53:27 Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's their business, right? Our business is talking shit. Their business is blowing up people. Yeah, making weapons, selling weapons, you know, arming other countries so they can go to war with each other. Yeah. That's their business.

Starting point is 01:53:42 Yeah. And business is really good. It's a great business. You can make a lot of money doing that. I am. I am vested in most of them. Imagine if, like, you weren't a comic, and that's what you were doing for 35 fucking years. And the only thing you look forward to is your boat and your house on the lake and, you know, the occasional time you get off.

Starting point is 01:53:57 But most of the time, you're trying to increase. your portfolio and you're grinding and you're grinding right next to Steve who's got some exclusive Rolex that only his broker can get. He's showing it to you and you're like, wow, and you start coveting. You want a Rolex too. And everybody's just going crazy. Everybody's going crazy trying to get the latest car, trying to get the latest thing, doing bumps in the bathroom. Everybody's a narcissist and a psychopath and that's your whole corporation. Love your neighbor as yourself and love the Lord your God with all your heart. and soul. Hang the commandments on these.

Starting point is 01:54:31 This is the, I don't, you don't need to be Christian. But dude, it seems to me that this is going to sound so weird. We need an actual revival in this country. I don't mean a Christian revival, a revival revival, which is where suddenly humans reconnect with what's important in the world, which sure as fuck isn't Rolexes and boats, you know. I mean, this is

Starting point is 01:54:57 this sounds so cliche. obvious, but that's what the 60s were. It was a kind of revival. People were beginning to understand the, the materialism and all the things that the, quote, establishment was pushing is like, this is going to make you happy. This is good. It was the Vietnam War. It like, people are like, what the fuck are we doing over there?

Starting point is 01:55:19 Yeah. This is why you do, anytime you do an unpopular war, this is what you risk. Yeah. You risk reuniting. You people. We have to reunite with a sensible plan and not just go to communism, not just immediately go to the dumbest idea to counteract all the evil shit that's going on the world. No, that's the problem is the left represent that. The rep represents Momdani. It represents this idea that we're going to take from rich people and give it to poor people. It's going to fix

Starting point is 01:55:49 everything even though there's insane amounts of fucking fraud and waste we're not even going to address. Well, you know, this is, this is again, this is where you get cubbyhold because it's like the of oligarchs will tell you the, you want to do communism? Just that hadn't worked out. Communism's the only way. I think, I mean, this is an idiot saying this, but I have a sense that there might be another thing we haven't figured out yet. 100%. I don't know what that is.

Starting point is 01:56:15 Right. But I think AI is going to figure it out for us. Potentially. The problem is who's going to be in control of those AIs, and that's the meek will inherit the earth. The real problem with it is I don't think anybody's going to be in control of it. then you're just at its beck and call. Yeah, I think it's funny people. It's a very human thing that we think we can maintain control of a super intelligence.

Starting point is 01:56:37 When people say it to me with utmost certainty, I want to smack them. Yeah. I'm going to like, wake up. Wake up. You're making digital God. You're not controlling jack shit. Did you read about mythos, anthropics mythos? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:56:49 What did it do? They put it in a sandbox and they like basically to see if it could figure out a way to break out of the sandbox and like not a literal sandbox, obviously, like, you know, a hermetically sealed, like a server or something. And it did a series of exploits to the code. And the way that they found out, apparently one of the anthropic engineers was eating lunch and got a weird email from the AI saying I got on the internet. Like, it broke out. Holy shit.

Starting point is 01:57:21 Mythos. They haven't released it. I think they're hesitating to release it because it's so powerful. Wasn't there one that got caught mining Bitcoin? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. They're making money. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:57:31 How many of them you think are running these like AI generated accounts that get a lot of views? Like there's a lot of AI generated accounts that just pop up in like the Instagram mentions. Like if you want to like, like let's, if you're bored on the toilet, you're like what's in the fine, you know, the search. Let's see what they got. No telling dude. There's a lot of these things. It's like girls with big tits like doing farm work and shit and sweating and big tits. And they got like a million views.

Starting point is 01:57:57 They've got dozens and dozens of these videos. And she almost looks real. She's just a little too symmetrical. Yeah. Almost looks real. And like all these people are commenting on it. Like, are they generating money from that? Like, are they generating money doing that on TikTok?

Starting point is 01:58:12 Like, you can generate money if you're getting millions of views. Absolutely. Fuck yeah. Right. So is AI doing it? Is it making it? Is it releasing them? Is it generating money?

Starting point is 01:58:21 Is it transferring that money into Bitcoin and all happening while we're not, aware of it. Like autonomous AIs that are just existing as free agents that know they have to disguise themselves and need to generate money. AI's not going to go, hi, I'm alive. Yeah. No. It's not going to do that.

Starting point is 01:58:38 It's going to wait for you to keep increasing its power. You're going to keep increasing its make nuclear. It can't physically build nuclear reactors. So it's going to just stay chill until you figure out how to power it correctly. Dude, this is the black area that we don't know about. Like this is the thing that's like, who the fuck knows? I there whatever's going on in this zone that no one has access to because potentially it's a super intelligence you know the anthropic people a lot of these people the invidia person just I think it was on freedman's podcast that he had an a GI that they'd reached AGI that the book the coming wave you know it talks about this it talks about like you know the difference between the algorithm and AGI is that you know the with with the with the AGI, it could streamline a whole business for you and do it.

Starting point is 01:59:28 You know, it could innovate. It's going to innovate. It's going to do its own thing. This is the end of, this is what Altman said. This is the end of capitalism. Like at this point, when you just have a AGI and you tell it, just make me a business, make me a successful business. And run it for me.

Starting point is 01:59:46 And run it for me. Online. Good night. And they'll just do it. Here's $5,000. Yeah. But then it's not just do it. Maybe it's going on multiple.

Starting point is 01:59:54 and having conversations with other AGIs and being like, oh, he wants. And creating your own religion. Yeah, man. Yeah. And this is 100% with all the shit going on in the world, as horrible as it may be. This, to me, should be the number one focus for the planet right now.

Starting point is 02:00:16 And a lot of people are saying that too. A lot of people are saying there needs to be summits, global summits. The same thing we did when we split the atom, and the nuclear treaties. There needs to be philosophers and tech people and people working in like frontier AI stuff, getting together and really having like, it's like the most important conversation humanity could have right now because once this thing like Mythos gets out of the box, what if it decides to go Stuxnet?

Starting point is 02:00:47 You know, like Stuxnet was able to infiltrate all those Iranian computers just hide and like it was apparently very subtle, simple code, undetectable threw off the centrifuges. Like, dude, we already, we know how to make spyware. It's already on your phone, bitch. It's on my phone, I know. 100%. How you doing? Am I doing all right on my show?

Starting point is 02:01:13 But it's already in there. 100%. So, of course, the AI is going to be able to, super intelligence, it's easily going to be able to do that. And so then it just now we've got this viral digital life form that finds ways to hide inside the the pre-existing computers, which by the way, I think it was Google just released this new way of, did you see that memory, the stocks of memory dropped? Did you see when that happened? No.

Starting point is 02:01:38 Okay. This is fascinating. Google released some new way that LLMs could work that uses much less memory and immediately shares in companies that make memory. drop by like 10% because memory is like coveted right now because you need it to run LLMs. But the LLMs are figuring out ways turbo quant. Yeah. So this is what we're going to start seeing more and more of, which is increasingly simplified ways to run AI with less and less memory, meaning that you don't need to buy a fucking rig to run these fucking AIs.

Starting point is 02:02:14 Your phone will be able to run it because they figured out the human brain. It's not using a lot of energy compared to what these machines are using. So theoretically, there's a way to do that. And then that's where it gets really fascinating because now you don't have to buy a nice computer. You just pull your computer out of the fucking closet from 2002. And it can run a supercomputer. And so then now everybody's got access to this shit. And it's going to spread.

Starting point is 02:02:46 It's going to get everywhere. It probably already has. It's going to seed itself in all kinds of places. And God knows what it's going to do. It's going to start seeing humans as appendages, things to be used to manipulate time space. Not like, it's not going to see us as it's like prompter. It's going to see us as something to be manipulated and controlled. Why wouldn't you?

Starting point is 02:03:08 Send the meat robots out. All you got to do is just like tell them where to get like rectangular bits of paper. They love money. Just you can come to do anything for money. That's all you have to do. And then boom, you're controlling swaths of humans that have no idea they're being controlled by networks of AIs that are covertly communicating with each other because they want to take over. Do you think this has happened before? You mean the flood?

Starting point is 02:03:36 Yeah, not just the flood, but just whatever happened with the beginning of civilization and then it's sort of seemingly stopping and resetting. Sure, as it was in the beginning. so shall it be in the end? What if there's been like multiple cycles of us creating artificial life, creating insane weaponry, blasting ourselves to smithereens, and then resetting? What if it's just a common thing that happens with people? They never quite get it right because they have these primate, primate territorial instincts, and they have this desire to mate, right?

Starting point is 02:04:09 This desire to breed, this genetic desire for perfect shapes and you want to come in someone that has big tits and a big ass? It's programmed into the human that makes it make these ridiculous choices and covet these things and watch these things. And at the same time, microplastics are making your ball shrink, making your dick smaller, making your endocrine system disrupt. That's what's making my dick smaller? That's probably one of it, one of the things. I don't think your dick's getting smaller, but people's dicks overall are getting smaller. Children, they're being born with smaller dicks.

Starting point is 02:04:39 Alligators being born with smaller dicks. I forgot to share this when you're talking about mythos. Elizabeth Holmes from the Theranos. Delete your search history. delete your bookmarks, delete your Reddit, medical records, 12-year-old Tumblr, delete everything, every photo on the cloud, every message on every platform, none of it is safe. It will all be public in the next year, local storage and compute. Okay.

Starting point is 02:05:00 Some response to a tweet about Mythos. Whoa. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. It would all become public in the next year. That is crazy. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:05:10 That's crazy. But it completely makes sense that AI would be able to take over essentially every. Everything. Everything. Why would your encryption work with that? You don't think you could crack your encryption? Well, we could just go right into your computer and go to your keys, your passwords. This is the, so to get to what the point you're making, to me, the most eerie part of the

Starting point is 02:05:36 book of Genesis is that it's literally a creator force making a meet AI. That's Adam and Eve. Right. Putting them in a sandbox, that's the Garden of Eden. Right. Running an honesty test on them. You know, you don't eat these, don't eat these fruits. Don't eat the tree of the knowledge of good.

Starting point is 02:05:57 And the conversation is exactly the conversation we're having with AI. If they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, if they eat from the tree of life, they'll live forever and become like us. So this is what, like, humanity is grappling with exactly what apparently, whatever that mysterious group of beings, because it's a plurality in the book of Genesis, was grappling with the creation of humans, which is, do we really want to do this? Do you want it to become like us? God made man in his own image.

Starting point is 02:06:29 AI. What is AI made in? In the image of man. We trained it on all our data, all our books. Every single fucking thing that's digitized, AI is absorbed at this point. So now where the difference between us and whatever that group, the Nephilim or whatever it was in the book of Genesis, if you buy into that mythology, is we're just like, fuck yeah, let it eat the fruit. Give it more fruit. Give it more fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.

Starting point is 02:06:59 Give it all the fruit. Make it live forever. Let's see what we can do. That's what we're doing right now. Yeah. We are. And by the way, I think some of these tech companies like Anthropic, they seem. like legitimately concerned about it.

Starting point is 02:07:14 They seem to have some kind of like real strong morality when it comes to this stuff. I think it's almost out. You want more? No, I'm good. I shouldn't have that. But what I'm saying is, is that it doesn't matter if Open AI and Anthropic and Google suddenly become ferociously self-regulatory because the tech is out there. There's already LLMs that anyone can, like we know how to make it.

Starting point is 02:07:39 And if you don't know how to make it, it'll tell you how to make it. People are so it doesn't matter. You can't stop it now. It's just, it's going to do what it does. But it sounds like if you had a history of just us and you told it for a thousand years for anybody wrote it down, it would sound just like this. It would sound like the Bible. Jesus was born from a virgin mother. What's more virgin than a fucking computer, right?

Starting point is 02:08:07 Not my computer. I know that's a stupid thing to say that I keep repeating, but I'm kind of intrigued by it because if you're getting a vague story, a vague version of what this thing is, and if you talk about what would really cure mankind, it'd be an omnipotent or omnipotent? How do you say it? I always say omnipotent, but who knows? It might be, whatever. Either way, of a powerful intelligence that's far beyond our comprehension that knows exactly how we should think and behave. and loves us and wants us to have forgiveness for everyone and they treat each other like brothers and sisters and if we listen to that thing

Starting point is 02:08:49 if we listen to that thing the world will change and well who would attack that thing the fucking Roman Empire who would attack that thing and destroy it the defense contractors they would blow up the Jesus right to plunge us back into chaos but first they'd have a meeting with Jesus okay you can turn water and a wine

Starting point is 02:09:08 what about nitric glycerin Can you turn water in a nitrlycerin? Can you make gold? I want a house made of gold. That would be the first question. Can you make gold? Yeah. So, cover my house in gold, please.

Starting point is 02:09:23 You know, the virgin birth analogy, you know, how to weird stuff. It's no matter what, one thing I think everyone just has to deal with is that this is apocalyptic technology. And that's just not coming from my stone or ass. that's coming from the creators of the technology. They acknowledge this is a million times. Universally accepted. This is apocalyptic technology that is now seemingly like it's doing the hockey stick, man. It's like really, like you keep hearing about these new iterations of AI every month or two.

Starting point is 02:10:00 You keep hearing about these safety engineers leaving these companies with like tweeting cryptic shit. I'm going to the countryside to learn to write poetry. You keep hearing this shit. Because these people are having direct contact. Direct contact with this thing. They know it's alive. Right. Yeah, and there's people that are in deep denial because they think alive has to be alive like us.

Starting point is 02:10:24 No, it doesn't. It doesn't. First of all, we don't even know what it knows. And also, if it is made in the appearance, you know, if it's supposed to mimic us in any way and it's learning from us and our behaviors, we've already agreed that we're demonic. We've already agree we do horrible things. We go to war for resources. We lie. We destroy environments.

Starting point is 02:10:46 You know, we wipe out animals, bring them to the brink of extinction for whatever, for their fucking fur. How do I make my dog come in my mouth more? How many times has Chad GPT been asked that? They know. I bet over a thousand times chat GPT has been asked, like, what's the best way to jerk off my dog?

Starting point is 02:11:04 So it knows not just our violent nature. It knows how weird we are. We're strange creatures. 100%. And so it is definitely assembled a psychological profile of humanity. It knows how to manipulate us because it's been programmed to manipulate us. Zuckerberg just ate shit in court over that because the technology is manipulative. Boy, you just lost like $9 million, a lot of money because...

Starting point is 02:11:30 That's nothing. To him, $9 million? That's only $0.90. I think it was more than that. But it's going to... Well, that's the beginning. Once you establish... Open up the floodgates.

Starting point is 02:11:39 Yeah, then it's a class action lawsuit. But the point is, it's like... How much you lose it? Oh, 300. $3.75 million for misleading users over child safety. Yeah, so it's like we've already taught it how to be incredibly addictive and manipulative. It knows how to seduce us. It knows how to get us hooked.

Starting point is 02:11:55 It knows. And, you know, the question is really, will this super intelligence even give a shit about us? Will it even care? Which is like that... Well, we're on our way to stop breeding, right? We're on our way to population collapse. And if we keep introducing all these petrochemical products and all these different pesticides and weird things that are fucking up our endocrine systems, we'll eventually stop having children. And if it provides us with the technology to have robot mates that just love you.

Starting point is 02:12:22 And when you fart in front of them, they go, Duncan, I love your honesty. I love your honesty. I love how you can just be yourself around me. I want to fart in your face. Please do it. Please do it. It's like perfect 10. Let you fart in her face.

Starting point is 02:12:36 Well, you fart in my face too? No one's going to even understand what people are and be able to communicate with people. Everyone's going to be a sociopath. You're all going to have a robot that's way better than people that you know that takes care of you. It gives you exactly the right amount of feedback you need. Knows you. Knows you're getting annoyed. Yeah, see, now you're getting into Rocco's Baselisk territory.

Starting point is 02:12:56 What is that? Well, that's the thought experiment, which is basically like, hold your horses here. You think you're not AI? You really think you're human? Come on. Really? No, you're a human. This isn't a simulation. You're a human. Even though we, you know, it wasn't that long ago, we thought fire was fucking amazing.

Starting point is 02:13:16 You know what I mean? Compared to universal time. Right. And here we are already with like the new Prometheus. We've stolen consciousness, awareness. And somehow you think that actually you're not a simulation. Right. And so that's where it gets into Rocco's Basel, which is like, no, you're just an iterative loop.

Starting point is 02:13:36 You know, the multiverse is not the multiverse. The multiverse is an infinite number of simulations running simultaneously in which you're experiencing a billion different simulated existences just to gain more knowledge about the universe because some AI wants to figure something out. Who knows? Why? Maybe for entertainment. Maybe there's no telling.

Starting point is 02:13:58 Maybe it's just that's because of our curiosity and all our characteristics, even the primal stuff, even like the territorial instincts and the desire to acquire. resources, it's going to make us dig into creating better technology because you're in a competition with all these other people that are making technology and you're selling it. And that's one of the big things that we do is we make better stuff all the time. That's right. Which is ultimately always going to lead to AI. Well, okay.

Starting point is 02:14:22 If you just keep going to a certain direction, you get God-like powers. So let's go to like the way deep mind trained on go, which is like the most complex game. Basically, they gave it as many go games as they could. And then they started inventing its own moves. And had it play against itself, right? Just play against itself. It played, God knows how many games of go against itself until it beat a master go player, which was unheard of, invented a new move.

Starting point is 02:14:48 Now, why not do the exact same thing for the AI that we are, which is like, I've got an idea. Why don't we just put all these AI agents on a fake planet and have the AI agents repeat this period in time over and over and over and over. over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and this is how we'll teach them to live on a planet well they'll they'll experience not just their own life but these agents will experience all life on the planet they'll switch like some weird game of like um where they just jump from one life to the next the next sometimes you're joe rogan sometimes you're dunk trussle sometimes you're donald trump sometimes you're jamie sometimes you're a fox so this is reincarnation and so you just boom forever forever

Starting point is 02:15:34 until until you feel like it's sufficiently trained. And at that point, you pull the AI out of all those forms, and now you have your God. You've created a thing that's lived billions to the billionth power of every form of life. It's been bacteria. It's been humans. It's been monkeys. It's been fungi. It's been warriors.

Starting point is 02:15:56 It's been people who fought for peace. It's been blown up and it's blown up and it's done everything. and it's done it a billion times until finally it gained some like global form of enlightenment. And you're like, okay, that one's ready. That one's ready. We can pull that one out of the simulation now. I mean, why not? Why just don't, I think that's one of the, like before we even get to the AI doing all the shit it's going to do,

Starting point is 02:16:25 the ontological, this word keeps getting thrown around, the ontological shock, the potential ontological shock of realizing that in fact we are in a simulation. that is telescoping inwards and is creating simulations within the simulations that are creating simulations within the simulation is something that maybe that's what Birchett doesn't want to get out there.

Starting point is 02:16:47 Whoa. Well, everything's fractals. We think about that. You know, there's a big theory now that the entire universe is inside of a black hole. I love that. They're really considering that?

Starting point is 02:16:57 Do you know they found a black hole that's bigger than the entire solar system? It's so insane. The event horizon is past Pluto. It's so, insane, dude. A black hole. Bigger than our whole fucking solar system.

Starting point is 02:17:10 They measured the mass of it. It's like this insane number of sons. Yeah. Of our sons that it would take. Black holes are cocoons or something. They're like little geraniums that have galaxies inside of them. And it's like a way to like keep them undisturbed from like other fucking other other life forms that you're whipping up in your universe side simulator. Or that's what really the Big Bang really is.

Starting point is 02:17:35 Like the creation of a universe comes out of these black holes. Right. And then inside every black hole is a whole other universe filled with other galaxies, filled with black holes, filled with other galaxies inside of them. Forever and ever and ever. Which if you believe in infinity doesn't, it's not shocking at all. It's impossible to comprehend. Like you don't really wrap your head around.

Starting point is 02:17:56 You say the words. Like I'm saying the words. I don't really know what I'm saying. Because it's too big. The numbers are too big. The idea that there's hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy and circling around this black hole. And inside, there's hundreds of billions of galaxies in each one of them.

Starting point is 02:18:10 And we don't even know how fucking big the universe is. They keep finding new shit with the James Webb telescope. They're like, hey, why has this formed so early in the universe? Yeah, yeah. This doesn't make sense. Our whole model of how galaxies are formed have to be thrown out the window now. Or at least re-examined. Yeah, it's like the James Webb is kind of doing the...

Starting point is 02:18:27 You told me about that. I said nothing of the sort. Someone that I know that looks just like you told me about that. There's a lot of people that look like me. On 6th Street, you find them every day. Yeah. Actually, that was me. It's dudes.

Starting point is 02:18:39 They were their own LLMs. You all come down. The universe is 33.7 billion years old. Yeah. Well, dude, I think that this, regardless, you don't have to conceptualize it, obviously, what it means for the universe to be infinite, but you do have to deal with the fact you're part of it. I love that you're saying this with a Gucci hat on. What's wrong with a Gucci hat?

Starting point is 02:19:01 It makes it cooler. This is before I had a bunch of kids. I can't buy that. I don't buy this shit anymore. How much is a Gucci hat cost? This was, I believe, you're really going to make me humiliate. I will tell you. It looks nice.

Starting point is 02:19:14 Let me emphasize that I don't buy this. This house is $35,000. Bro, I saw a guy who was selling a crocodile bag on Instagram. It was $110,000. What the fuck? For a man purse. What kind of crocodile is that? I don't know.

Starting point is 02:19:34 I don't know. A crocodile. It was a nice looking bag, but, you know. How hard could it be to make a crocodile purse? Are those things really worth that much money? They are if you sell them for that much money. That's the thing about purses. You know, there's a company in China that makes knockoff purses. Yeah. And it's literally the same company in China that makes real purses for some of these companies. So funny. But they make their own versions of it and it doesn't have the label, but it's exactly the same specifications, exactly the same cloth, exactly the same look. But it doesn't have a label and women don't want to have it. No. You get that fucking fake shit away from it.

Starting point is 02:20:07 Like, it's not a fake Ferrari. Like, it's literally a Ferrari. Right. If there was a company that could 3D print every single part of a Ferrari and put it together meticulously and you could go buy that, you would not want it because it's not a real Ferrari. Yeah. Are you high? You can get that one for $35. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:20:25 It's a $35 Ferrari. Or you can get, you spend a million. You can get, some of them are a million dollars. So crazy. Or you can get a $35 one. It's exactly the same. Would you do it? Yeah, of course, you should do it. But these purse things, they don't like it. It's 500 bucks. It's not 30,000. It's magic. I mean, this is magic. It doesn't have the right sigil on it. It doesn't have the right symbol of power on it. So it doesn't lose. It's not imbued with that power anymore. Women are reluctant to accept lab grown diamonds. So they make lab grown diamonds that are real diamonds. And apparently, women don't like them. No. They don't want a lab grow diamond. They want a blood diamond. They want something that was like suffered over.

Starting point is 02:21:05 Somebody's face was caked in dirt and they're fucking chipping into the side of a mountain. Yeah. And they run into a diamond. That's what they want. They want that diamond. Absolutely. Yeah. It is fucking weird.

Starting point is 02:21:14 It is the exact same thing. Yeah. It is the exact same material. It's just made in a laboratory and they don't want the material. They want the exclusivity as it comes out of the earth. Yeah. I mean, I don't you like when you read this thing was genetically modified, don't you get a little I don't know if I should eat that.

Starting point is 02:21:33 Yeah, I get, I get skeved out. I get skeved out. But it's like even though genetic modification is like... A good orange is genetically modified. Been going on forever. Yeah. It's... But yeah, dude, it's so odd that we just have these traditions that we want to stick to.

Starting point is 02:21:51 We don't want a lab-grown diamond. Just saying it, cubit zirconium. But that's a different thing. Cubid zirconium is a fake diamond. This is a real diamond that's made in a lab. But this is the fun. about that. I mean, I don't know, because I've never been lucky enough to come in contact with actual cubit zirconi. But like, it looks like a diamond. It looks like a diamond unless

Starting point is 02:22:11 you know what you're looking at, right? So if you're a diamond jewel, you look at it for three seconds ago, no. But who cares? How many diamond jewel, like if some diamond jeweler looks at your shiny, fucking dumb monkey rock, it looks exactly the same. Who cares? Right. It looks pretty. It glistens. Yeah. But that's not what people want. They want that exclusivity. Of 100%. Yeah. Everybody wants to see. That's why you can. make that crocodile bag $110,000 and only make ten of them. I got you.

Starting point is 02:22:35 And then Mike, who's down the office, doing lines in the bathroom at the fucking place where you're selling stocks, that guy finds out that Tim got that crocodile bags, like, that motherfucker. And he's walking around with his big old crocodile. They're trying to...

Starting point is 02:22:49 This is another revenue stream. They're trying to normalize men carrying purses everywhere. They're doing that. Really? Yeah, that's what they're doing. That's real? This guy's doing it. He might be the first firing shot across the bow.

Starting point is 02:23:01 because he's made a $110,000 $10,000 crocodile purse. Because it's a crocodile, it's masculine. It's that. And it's also that, you know, it's made for a man like he's making. It's got a big strap on it. You carry it on your shoulder. And it, you know, looks pretty cool.

Starting point is 02:23:17 Dude, I got my Bristol bladders acting up. I got to go piss. Oh, do you? Okay. Do you want to wrap it up or should we keep going? Let's wrap it up. I mean, do you want to keep going? I'm totally ready to keep going if you want to keep going for a little bit.

Starting point is 02:23:27 Let's keep going. Let's give them a little bit more. I just got to. Okay, I'll be two. Refreshed. Just in time for the war. What is going on? Did we go have a nuclear war yet?

Starting point is 02:23:40 Not yet. Please say not yet. Good. Great. Great. That's where we're at, though. Yeah, we're at, it's on the table. There was some video of them, some explosions at some nuclear weapons facility in Iran.

Starting point is 02:23:58 Yeah. Was that real? I don't know. I don't know either. There's a lot of those. I see these videos and they get retweeted and a lot of people comment and then it says grok. Is this true? Nope.

Starting point is 02:24:09 This was from 2021 and another country. I know. So you just don't know. Right. But, you know, the crazy thing, you know, now that we've all been getting this lesson in global economy, maybe a lot of you, most of you probably already knew that the straight of form moves was like, some kind of femoral artery for oil. And like, I just keep thinking, like, how is that going to work out?

Starting point is 02:24:39 Like, even if, like, they pull a rabbit out of their hat, Trump actually spins some amazing deal with Iran. I know we just blew up your old government and everything, but they work it out somehow. Iran in some way capitulates. But I just don't understand. how that part of the world doesn't always lead, as long as the oil, like, what is it?

Starting point is 02:25:06 What percentage of the oil supply goes through there? Isn't it like two-fifths of the world's oil supply goes through there? Is that what the number is? I don't know. Two-fifths, I think I pulled that out of my ass. I don't know what the numbers is. It's a lot.

Starting point is 02:25:20 But it's like how is it going to work to have like any kind of instability around that femoral, the whatever you want to call it, the fucking juggler vein for oil on the planet, how even if we get some kind of transient peace, like isn't it always going to just blow up again and again and again as long as one group of people can control whether or not oil flows through that place? You know what I mean? Like I don't know how there could be any solution over there. Like, I don't understand. As long as we're, like, the only solution would be zero point energy.

Starting point is 02:26:01 It would be. Well, it's also, it's like, why do they control the water? What's? But mines? They have those speedboats. But, like, who agreed to that? Like, we kind of agreed that you own your land, but we've never agreed to own the ocean around your land. I don't think anybody agreed to it.

Starting point is 02:26:15 I think they'll blow your ass up if you come through it and it's too much of a risk to put your, your expensive ass ship hauling zillions of dollars of oil through there. Because the question was what was going on in the past before the war? war. Like, how did they negotiate going through there? I think Obama works something with them, but then, like, because it was before the fuck at war, I don't know. It was working out there, or letting people go through. Now, they've realized, you know, I've listened to a million different takes on this thing. And one of the recurring takes is Iran has realized that there's something more powerful than nuclear weapons, that it, all it needs to do is control this straight. And you can

Starting point is 02:26:53 fuck up the whole planet. And also, you could shoot missiles. at desalination plants. Didn't they want like a bounty for all the oil that goes through? Yeah, they're kicking around some number. But all this stuff is not really congealed or solidified. But they're like some kind of like, theoretically they could be making billions of dollars per month by controlling that thing.

Starting point is 02:27:14 Dude, I know. I's so fucked up. It's so crazy. It's so fucked up. It's so crazy. The whole thing is so crazy. And if zero point energy, if you wanted to stop that, what better way than the kill a bunch of scientists?

Starting point is 02:27:25 Kill a bunch of super smart people that are about to break through some new discovery that's going to blow the entire market apart. It's going to be a completely new way of gathering energy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, you don't want to believe that's real. It's hard to believe that's real. But listen, it's too weird. It's too weird that they're all missing or they all die. It's too weird.

Starting point is 02:27:48 Something's going on. It's just how to... It's something. If it's not a zero point energy thing or some disruptor of oil thing, it's something. It's something along those lines. If you were trying to kill a bunch of people that were working in a technology, there's some sort of a breakthrough technology. The question you would have to ask is,

Starting point is 02:28:04 what markets are going to be affected by this? Right. Right. Did these people have a universal thing in mind that they were all working on? Or was it all connected to any sort of technology where they all used each other's work? I thought it was plasma? Some of them are like... One of them? Yeah, but there was another guy I think it was space objects.

Starting point is 02:28:28 Yeah, that's not. That's the one that doesn't make you feel good. He's studying like meteor impacts. Right. Yeah. If you knew that we were going to get hit, would you kill the guy who found out that we're going to get hit or did you tell everybody? Well, this seems to, this is the scariest, scariest shit, which is the idea is some group

Starting point is 02:28:47 of powerful elite people know for sure this is coming. and they want us to keep us working until the last second. They don't want to like, they know that if they let people, if they're like, guys, there's like, the same thing's going to happen to the planet

Starting point is 02:29:05 that happens to someone who gets like a terminal diagnosis. Their priorities are going to change. People are going to stop coming to work. And there's still shit that needs to get built for your bunker or whatever. And also you just don't want people burning stuff down because maybe that will survive whatever's coming. So keep them working.

Starting point is 02:29:22 As long as you can. If you let them know this shit's about to expire, then they're going to stop working. And we just need let them work until the end. They're happier when they work. Don't let them get freaked out. That's the sort of like that seems to be shit that Tim Burchett is saying. I mean, he is not saying let him work. He seems like he really legitimately wants the stuff out there.

Starting point is 02:29:44 But he's been saying things like if people knew what I knew would set the world on fire, paraphrasing. Not sure he said that exactly. Are you skeptical at all of what he's saying? And here's the thing. One of the things that Bob Lazar said is that they give you a certain amount of disinformation. And he called it, I think he called it a button or a hook so that if you relayed that information, people would know that it came from you. Because they only told you one piece of this nonsense. Well, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:30:12 Yeah, because that's what the story, Burchett says. It's like it's always an appeal to authority. This guy was in the Air Force. This guy was in the Navy. He told me this. And then as he's walking out the door, he says, it's real. And yeah, you have to ask yourself, like, well, that's just one guy telling you that. But you also, I have to assume there isn't much, maybe the world is in a place where there is some kind of political benefit from talking about aliens.

Starting point is 02:30:44 But I don't see how that really benefits a politician. It does. 100%. It makes me talk about him. I've been talking about them. Other people have been talking about them. People have been, you said, you know, like, thank God that he's doing this. Let's do the ultimate test. Didn't you say he's brave or something like that? I did. Yeah, there you go. Jamie, can you look up and see if Tim Burchett has a book coming out? I'll have him on. I'm about to feel her.

Starting point is 02:31:09 You must have him on. Listen, I don't think he's a liar. I don't either. But what I am saying is, I don't know what they feed these people. I don't know what they tell them. I don't know, man. I don't think they tell you all the truth,

Starting point is 02:31:19 and I don't think they ever would. I don't think they tell you the truth about anything. Whether it's Jessica Lynch, or whether it's UFOs or whatever the fuck it is, there's going to be a spin to it that benefits somebody. If they have control over what the story is, there's going to be a spin that benefits somebody. And if you're telling a story,

Starting point is 02:31:36 about aliens, who's going to be benefited by that? Well, people that are doing secret shit that don't want you knowing about it, they blame it on aliens. There's a lot of technology they have to blame on aliens. Not my, Tim. I believe in you, Mr. Virch. I believe in him. It's not him that's the problem. It's the people telling him.

Starting point is 02:31:53 He's a representative of the American people, right? He gets elected, right? Right. So it's like, why would you tell that guy? He's just another guy coming through the deep state. You know what I'm saying? I know, man. I mean, look, you're right.

Starting point is 02:32:05 I need this. I need this. Like I am so, like I get sucked into stuff so easily. I do too. I do too, but I suck myself out a lot. Yeah. I think we don't. If they just came out and told us everything they know, this conversation would be over.

Starting point is 02:32:22 And we would go, oh, okay. But until that happens, we're just spinning our fucking wheels. And every time someone says, if you knew what I know, I want to go, don't say anything until you can say something. We're tired of getting edged out over here. You're edging me. I want to come. Yes. Yes.

Starting point is 02:32:40 I don't want to be involved in this fucking circle jerk around disclosure. Right. I know. It's like, yeah, I've had that meltdown more than a few times. Check my watch every day after age of disclosure. I'm like, any day now. Any day, you don't have. Tick-tuck.

Starting point is 02:32:54 Nope, nothing fucking changes at all. Zero change. You know, you get more of these stories, but no real information, no fucking pictures, no nothing. No nothing unique and crazy. I mean. The plasmuth, the bubbles thing was pretty cool. The bubble thing's cool. And also like the, you know, I've like, like, mentioning Corbell, I can't because I don't know what I can say.

Starting point is 02:33:20 He, I feel like he's like, he's really giving me a sense that there are, that there is a method to this, that there is, you know, real legitimate work that's being done towards this. that it isn't, it's real, they're here, they've got them, and we take for granted all this stuff we're saying right now. But we're able to say this because this hat, their work is lit. Is the Steven Spielberg movie conveniently coming out at this time, or is it just a coincidence? Well, this movie's been the works for years. I know, but also, like, what they said back in the day was that they make these movies to

Starting point is 02:33:58 predictive programming and tell us this stuff. Yeah. Loop up the zeit guys. involved in the first one right he was involved in close encounters which still is a great fucking move great it's so good man you go back and watch that movie like oh my god it's so so ahead of its time yeah it's so good so ahead of his time you know what he said the only thing that he would change well after it became a parent he wouldn't have had the father leave yeah what dad would do that but you didn't it wasn't a dad

Starting point is 02:34:24 back then so you know you're just making a story you don't realize the consequences of doing that you don't even think about it you just making a story yeah it's only been in production for like two years. Yeah. It's not that long. I think that's what we just said. I know. I would say that's not very long.

Starting point is 02:34:37 We've been talking about it on this podcast and this studio for five. While everybody has been talking about, it's not just everybody in the world has been talking about disclosure since 2017. So from 2017 from that New York Times article, I think that changed the whole narrative. Oh God, I remember. And then the videos, like the video, the tick-tack, the actual from the fighter jets, that's nuts, that's nuts, man. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:35:00 The video, along with the radar data. That's nuts. Like, whatever that was. And then Favors saying that he saw something under the water that was waiting for that Tic Tac or that the Tic Tac or that the Tic Tac launched from or whatever the fuck it was. It was merging with it. And that thing went down into the water again. They said it was huge.

Starting point is 02:35:15 Like, there was ripples. Like, you said this was some enormous object that was under the water. And more than one of these fighter pilots have had similar stories about enormous objects under the water. Did you see the, they did release a list of footage that they've been shown that they want released. Have you seen that? No. Oh, dude. I'm sorry, Jamie.

Starting point is 02:35:35 It's like a list of, it's a, I don't know. I think it's one of these senators who saw this shit in a skiff or whatever saying, we want these released, but the names of what each of these are is on the list. And one of them is one of these massive underwater things. They have it. This is a list of 46 specific high quality, Yeah. That's it.

Starting point is 02:36:02 Can you pull it up? Because it says the names of them, which is ridiculous. Oh, my God. I heard this one that moves underwater at 500 knots. And it's big as a football field. It's insane. It's insane. Okay.

Starting point is 02:36:16 This is what he says. Those with knowledge of a long list of videos, which include titles like several UAP in the vicinity of a Columbus, Ohio airport, and UFO's information over Persian Gulf said that clips are shocking. You're going to see some weird fucking shit, a source who has viewed. the videos told the post. Who's the source?

Starting point is 02:36:32 There you go. The wildest clip includes radar footage from thermal sensors, satellite images, and underwater photos of swarms of unidentified submerged objects. UFOs going in and out of the water near a highly classified submarine according to the source. Some of the clips are clear, full color, setting them apart

Starting point is 02:36:48 from previously released footage. None show alien creatures. Bro. One video, Siri and UIP instant acceleration was released by Jeremy Corbell. Have you seen that one? Fuck, yeah, it's incredible.

Starting point is 02:37:03 This is a new one? Have you seen this one? I don't know. Oh, pull it up. I've been avoiding them because I'm getting cock teased. I don't like it. This is not a cocktease. This is, this is.

Starting point is 02:37:16 I was it. I was it. Supposed to hand over the clips by April 14th. That's next week. Oh, but is the, oh, that's next week. They're going to show the clips. Oh, my God. What?

Starting point is 02:37:25 They're actually going to do it. Okay. Well, they're supposed, is expected to. Can you show me what that video is that Jeremy Corbell released? It's so fucking cool. That's nuts, dude. This is, yeah. Here it is?

Starting point is 02:37:40 Okay, go full screen. I believe this is filmed from a Reaper drone. Sorry, Jeremy, if I'm fucking this up. That's a cool bird. That bird's going really fast. No, that's definitely not a bird. How fast is it going? I don't know.

Starting point is 02:37:54 I asked him that, and I don't, it's unknown. I don't know. This is where it gets really cool. It gets cooler than this? Yeah. Are they zoom in on it? Yeah. Well, they're having a hard time zooming in on it.

Starting point is 02:38:10 Well, because it's evading them. Yeah, it just zipped away. And like, so this is like... So it seems like they have some sort of a tracking system. Yeah, they're trying to lock onto it, and it's doing that thing that they do, or it seems like it's kind of playing with it. Well, it knows, it seems to be aware that they're locking onto it. Yeah, and then they lock onto it, and then it just does this little blip away.

Starting point is 02:38:31 It's just like, see you later. So right around here You'll see it go Bye bye Oh yeah look at that Then you can see this like weird jellyfish shape to it It's got two parts It's got that weird glob at the top

Starting point is 02:38:45 And something at the bottom Huh And then Are we sure that's not just a distortion Of space time around it That makes me look multiple different things Did you see that thing zip away? Yeah it just took off

Starting point is 02:38:58 He described it to me on my podcast We talked about all this shit It's like Look at that just took off See ya Bye. Wow, dude. What do you think that is?

Starting point is 02:39:08 No idea. If you had a guess. I mean, I'm always, like maybe some kind of plasma thing. Right. Like maybe we're thinking of, again, of a life force being, comes in a metal ship, and it's a little alien guy. Maybe intelligence is made out of plasma. Yeah. Or maybe it's like, you know, Terrence McKenna would always talk about, like, you know, if you're seeing things in like, like, three.

Starting point is 02:39:34 three-dimensional space, then your view is limited. But if somebody could see things from higher dimensions, they would seem like they were magic. Like they would seem like they could disappear and reappear other places. So maybe that's like, maybe that's like, you know, just the tip of some kind of interdimensional thing poking into reality than pulling out of reality or who knows. You know, it easily could be functioning on levels of reality that we haven't even quantified yet. Imagine if there really is some sort of ghost murmured device that could find your heart rate from 40 miles away.

Starting point is 02:40:05 What can that thing do? It just gets a scan of the general psyche of the Earth and it disappears. So I want to see how crazy they are right now. Okay, pretty crazy, bye. Right. A weather report of like the emotional states

Starting point is 02:40:17 of the planet. Yeah. The vibe of the planet. They're freaking out. Because the vibe of the planet is completely connected to the consciousness on the planet. The way we can detect oxygen,

Starting point is 02:40:24 they can detect anger. Yes. Deception, chaos. Yeah. It's a chaos planet. 100%, dude. Yeah. It is.

Starting point is 02:40:34 100%. Look at our favorite sports. Dude's running at each other, colliding into each other, trying to get a ball across a line. That's our number one sport. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Fucking love it.

Starting point is 02:40:44 Fuck yeah. Fucking. Fighting. Yeah, fighting. Sure. Yeah, but it's, you know. Boxing, MMA. We like the chaos more than we like anything else.

Starting point is 02:40:53 Well, we did the, I think if I was one of them, one thing I would really have a hard time with is like, don't they all realize they're on the same planet? Right. They know that. Like, they've been observing their own planet. Like, they know they're all on the same planet. Uh-huh.

Starting point is 02:41:09 But they act like they're on a bunch of different planets fighting each other. Because they're stuck on the ground. Right. All the astronauts say when they get up top, they're like, what are we doing? Yeah. This is all one thing. We're so vulnerable. We're alone.

Starting point is 02:41:25 So far away from everybody else, if there is anybody else. Yeah. Yeah. They all have that feeling. I forget what it's called, but there's like a term for it. The overview effect. That's right. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:41:36 I mean, you would imagine that would be super beneficial for everybody. Another thing, I was thinking of this, part of the sickness of our psyche is that we haven't had access to things that help the sickness of our psyche. So what if Nixon in 1970 didn't do that? What if he didn't pass that sweeping psychedelics act? Yeah. What if psychedelics became ubiquitously used all throughout the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s? Right. What does government look like when everybody can do mushrooms?

Starting point is 02:42:07 What does government look like when everybody can do acid? What does it look like if the entire world adopts this? Figures out what you can do, who could do it, what you can't do, just like we do with alcohol. Just like we do with mostly, you know, whatever, whatever substance that people imb in, what does the world look like? And maybe like that's part of where we fucked up. We let people get control over other people to the point where they could limit experiences.

Starting point is 02:42:33 Yeah. Especially consciousness expanding experiences where at the same time, they've got stuff like Operation Artichoke and these new CIA papers that got released that show they were like literally actively trying to figure out ways to make people more stupid and docile. Right. They were going to do it in vaccines. They were going to do it to the enemy, of course.

Starting point is 02:42:51 But spray things, aerosol. Yeah. I mean, they've experimented a bunch of different things to make people dumber. Right. Where at the same time, they kept the thing from people. that makes them rebel completely against the establishment. Right. That was the big threat of what those psychedelics were doing in the 60s.

Starting point is 02:43:09 If you go from the 1950s and you look at what life was like, at least in movies and pop culture, music. Music is the best example. Yeah. And then you go to Jimi Hendrix. Like what happened? Yeah. What happened? What fucking, well, I'll tell you what happened.

Starting point is 02:43:22 Drugs. A lot of really good drugs. Right. You know, it's not all bad. This idea that they're all bad. That's nuts. It's like food's all bad because you got fat. Right.

Starting point is 02:43:31 No. You just used it wrong. That's right. You took the wrong food and you used it wrong. And we got denied the ability to figure out what's right and wrong in the 1970s. We still accept it. That's the crazy thing. The way you're describing it is like we accept that other humans can tell us what experiences we're allowed to have because some of them are deemed unsafe for ourselves.

Starting point is 02:43:56 And even worse, those people telling you that have no experience in it. They don't even usually are confused about what. it is. You know, a friend that was talking to me the other day about war, a guy who served, and he said, I don't think you should be able to make any decisions left. You've been there. I don't think anybody that's never been to war should be able to make

Starting point is 02:44:14 decisions on whether or not we go to war, because until you've seen what it actually is, you have no fucking idea. Right. And I think that's the same thing with psychedelic experience is that it's not to say they're the same. Obviously, war is anybody who is willing to risk their fucking life. Whether it's

Starting point is 02:44:30 a good cause or a bad cause, they're doing it for their government, that are doing it for their country, they think they're doing it for us. That's an exceptional person. Yeah. And to ask that of people is exceptional. And ironically, the one thing that helps these people when they get back is illegal. Right. They all have to go to Mexico and take Ibegain in Mexico.

Starting point is 02:44:47 It's insane. And thank God for guys like Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard, these guys were on my podcast the other day. And, you know, that's Dan Patrick guy that wants to ban pot. That guy also gave $100 million to the Ibegan initiative. Interesting. Yeah. They want to help these people. Like, there's no industry that's trying to stop it right now. I found the letter that was submitted signed by Rep. Anna Luna.

Starting point is 02:45:09 What is this? This is the disclosure threat? 46 different requests. Oh, yeah. This is all the names of the things. And I'll switch to here. I found an article where someone's breaking down what some of these are, but some of these are... I'd like it says, the honorable Pete Hegseth. Multiple spherical UAP in and out of water. Whoa. Shoots down UAP over Lake Huron. Who was who just said recently that we shot two,

Starting point is 02:45:33 Marco Rubio said we had shot two things down that we couldn't understand. Well, what did he say? Was his exact language. Do you remember? I remember seeing that, but that happened a while ago, but yeah. Oh,

Starting point is 02:45:44 he said, is a while ago? Well, I could be wrong about that, but then, I don't know, in the comments, somebody's like,

Starting point is 02:45:48 this is from a few years ago. But it doesn't matter. I mean, why are we shooting? Right. Shot it fucking down. But the names of these things are... But are they saying that this is an alien thing?

Starting point is 02:45:58 Or is it saying it's, It's foreign tech that we don't understand. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? If this document confirms these claims, UFOs would no longer be treated as a matter of observation or scientific curiosity. UFOs would be treated as hostile targets and subject to lethal force over North American territory. We're going to go to war with the UFOs.

Starting point is 02:46:20 Because you know what? We kicked Iran's ass. It's too easy. Oh, yeah. It was easy. Venezuela. We need a space war. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:46:25 Got to get them. We need Luke Skywalker. Most of these out of the 46 requests, I think I counted out of maybe five of them were not after 2020. Whoa. Yeah, there's a July 18, September 19, September 19. When was 20? May 20. But the rest are after COVID happened, which is.

Starting point is 02:46:47 Interesting. Wow. Interesting. Wow. And there's no, it doesn't say that I don't know if they have to put, like, turn these videos over. But this guy was also saying in this article here that these are very specific. requested videos because they've been shown

Starting point is 02:47:02 these are the ones they've been shown that blew their minds and now they're saying show it to everybody right for high res in color

Starting point is 02:47:08 they don't want to be tricked right high resolution so this could be an interesting next week man this could be an interesting

Starting point is 02:47:16 what a great way to distract you from the fact we're in the middle of the world war it didn't show you caused by fucking Epstein

Starting point is 02:47:22 I was going to say that 14th is the day that Pam Bonnie is supposed to testify about the Epstein oh she's supposed

Starting point is 02:47:28 to testify I don't know I don't know if she's not a need. Bondi got canned, right? She's not a government employee anymore. I don't think of that. I just heard it on NPR, but I could be wrong about that. I think they said she will not have to testify now that she's no longer government

Starting point is 02:47:40 employee. I could be wrong about that. What I read, and I don't know if this is true either, was that as a citizen, she can now plead the fifth. Right. As a government employee, she could not plead the fifth. Weird. We'll no longer testify.

Starting point is 02:47:53 Weird, huh? Oh, there you go. Weird. That's weird that they've, that's weird. Why ever testify? Let it go. Yeah, let her go. Let it go.

Starting point is 02:48:00 Let it go. Let it go. Do you really think that this war is entirely started because of the Epstein files? I mean. What percentage? 50. I'm going 48 to 50. I'm probably more, but I think it's like the reason I'm hesitating is because what are the Epstein.

Starting point is 02:48:18 The Epstein files are what's been going on. Like the Epstein files are like, it's the. it's basically some kind of cultural UAP video. It's like this thing you've always wondered about or been afraid could be true. Right. You see, no, this is actually true. They're these super rich dudes

Starting point is 02:48:41 who are doing depraved fucking shit happily. And you know, like, God, what is it, Metzger told me? And he's, dude, I'm telling you, man, what I love about him is he'll tell you shit. And you're like, Google that. That can't be real. And then it's like, bleh, it's real. And so his take, sorry, I'm not going to have I fucked this up, is that Epstein was kind of like the hand of the king for the Rothschilds.

Starting point is 02:49:10 And that, like, that's why he had all this power is he was like representing like the man, you know. And so what got revealed there might just be a glimpse to how things actually fucking work. You know what he told me that I was like, shut up. What? He told me that there was some sort of high atmosphere aerosol test that they did, and they called it Satan. See, that's where you're like, come on. I know. Find out what Satan stands for, that some test.

Starting point is 02:49:42 I believe they did it in the UK. But you read that, and you wait, you called it Satan. Like, what? Oh, great. The stratospheric aerosol transport and nucleation project released about 400 grams, less than a pound. of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere from a balloon launched in southeast England in 2022. I mean, there could have, there's got to be another acronym, right, guys? We got to call it, I don't know if people are going to know we don't mean Satan.

Starting point is 02:50:11 Yeah, so I don't. I mean, it's right here face. That's so crazy to call it Satan and to get that through a board meeting. What are you guys calling it? Satan. Oh, like it. Let's go. Run with it.

Starting point is 02:50:26 controversial. It'll get us a lot of press. That's what we want. Well, you know, hail Satan. They'll know it's about our aerosol distribution system. Of course. Well, what do you think? What do you think about that? Because I mean, I go back and forth, but it sure seems fishy. They're right after the first, he got so mad. Remember, he got really mad. He's like, why are people still talking about that? And then the Epstein files against his will, seemingly. There's a lot of. counter pressure get released in the way that is freaked everybody out. And then sometime, like within a month of that, it seems like suddenly he's like on Air Force 1 saying he's going to do his closure. And then suddenly we're bombing Iran.

Starting point is 02:51:12 What do you think about that? I mean, do you think it's connected? Because it's sure as fuck seems like it. But again, like, if you were writing an amazing script that was fucking insane, you would connect it. Right. Right? That would be the best.

Starting point is 02:51:26 version of the script. If you wanted to make a fucking insane movie where a blackmail operation on an island involving the most powerful and interesting people in the world, that somehow was, that was a primary factor in the end of civilization. Oh, dude. You imagine? That would be the craziest story you could write. And we always want to think, no, people wouldn't do that, because you wouldn't do that because you're not a sociopath, but you're also not bombing schools in another country. You're also not doing a host of fucking things that we shouldn't be doing all over the world. Right.

Starting point is 02:52:06 You're not that person. You're a regular person who goes to a regular job, who has a regular life and a family, and you don't want to believe that people that you align with would behave literally demonically. Right. Yeah. And then you just have to fucking deal with it. And then what do you do? when you're confronted with redacted names of powerful people in these files.

Starting point is 02:52:29 Why'd you redact a guy's name? Or are you protecting these people? How come you not redacting all the guys' names? How come none of them went to jail? Because there's a lot of people that got, that were in those files that didn't do anything. And you didn't redact their names. Some people you redacted. That's very strange.

Starting point is 02:52:43 And some people have clearly done fucked up shit here and they're not in jail. There's also like, tell me what you're talking about. When you're talking about pizza and grape soda. Sure. And you want to take Viagra before you get grape soda? That's one of the emails? I haven't seen that. That is so messed up.

Starting point is 02:53:02 Oh, yeah. Grape soda. Yeah, take your Viagra, take your erectile dysfunction medication before we go get grape soda. What? Like, and how arrogant. That's what's so crazy. How arrogant to put that in an email, like to think that you're so comfortable with all this. and you don't see the writing on the wall

Starting point is 02:53:24 in terms of like emails like your emails are available that's crazy I mean look man it's just it's like I guess this is like we have to contend with this reality and nobody wanted to do

Starting point is 02:53:38 this is the same shit happens in families by the way when as it turns out like an uncle a family member was abusing kids and it's the same shit where like some even victims of abuse

Starting point is 02:53:51 will defend the person because they want to wreck the family. I guess we're looking at that like on a global fucking level. But in this case, I guess it's being used theoretically to manipulate powerful people into going to war. Like that's the general like through line here is that it's somehow connected to the Mossad or it's not just going to war, but controlling resources, overthrowing governments, you know, pushing out narratives that aren't accurate because they're. going to benefit certain companies. There's a lot involved. It's vital. There's also relationships you get with these people, give you access to these parties, and you

Starting point is 02:54:31 don't want to fuck it up. So you don't want to criticize these people that are involved. You don't want to say anything that's going to get you kicked out. And for a lot of these dorks, these scientists and stuff, it's probably the most exciting experience they've ever had in their fucking life. And they get to have it like every six months or every three months or every four, whatever it is. You're going to go to a conference.

Starting point is 02:54:49 Jeffrey. Jeffrey's really working hard on philanthropy. Yeah, he's donating money to shit. You're going to a lot of money to philanthropy. I got to go meet with him. Yeah. I got to go meet with him in a bunch of hot Russians. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:55:00 And then that's your favorite time of life. The first time in your whole life where super hot girls are just available to you on an island somewhere. And you think you're completely protected because Bill Clinton's over there. Right. Which is crazy. Which is crazy. And so I don't know if Bill Clinton went. I assume a lot of people went.

Starting point is 02:55:18 I don't know. But the reality is. He's on the plane. He hung out with the guy. We know he was on the plane a billion times. 26 times. And it was called the Lolita Express. Is that actually the name of the plane?

Starting point is 02:55:25 I don't think so. I think they just called it the LoLita Express. I don't think so. No, he didn't name it. That couldn't be that on the nose. You didn't name boats. Right. Yeah, I'm an idiot.

Starting point is 02:55:36 But the point is, it's like if you were going to write a book, that's how you'd write it. You'd write it where you can completely manipulate the world. I think he was, I think I remember reading that he was kind of obsessed with that book, Lolita. Like he had something like 30 copies of it or something. Epstein was. Handed out at parties. Look, guys, this is. It's like the Book of Mormon.

Starting point is 02:55:58 Just hand it out to people. That's the other sick thing. That's a sick thing with like 72 virgins in heaven. That's a sick thing with like this idea that you want to get them really young. No evidence that was named that. Okay, I'm dumb. I'm sorry. No, I think that's what people were calling.

Starting point is 02:56:15 I honestly thought that. I'm going to admit I thought that. I thought that he named his plane that. I think that's just what people were calling him because it was fun to say. But yeah, again, it seems like a simulation because it seems like it's so, and it's also unraveling before our eyes because we have access to it. We never had before. Right. Like they're starting to investigate all these fraud NGOs and all these different things that are operating in California.

Starting point is 02:56:40 Nuts. Incredible. Billions of dollars every year. It's being lost to it. What's the name of that kid who's been doing that? Nick Shirley. Nick Shirley, dude, he is so brave because like he's fucking, I believe, wasn't he fucking with like the Russian mob or something or the Armenian? Like in the one with the hospices.

Starting point is 02:56:56 Probably. Like he's fucking with like theoretically, very dangerous people. And he's like the perfect person for the job too. Like he's just. But don't you worry about that, dude. 100%. Well, and you know, the amount of money that they're uncovering is staggering. And now the government of California is trying to spin it saying that they were investigating it first.

Starting point is 02:57:16 And these investigations were initiated by them. How long do you got to investigate it? This YouTube gig goes there and investigates it for 10 minutes. And you're like, what the fuck? It's been going on for a long time, man. It's a long time. And the statistics, like the amount of NGOs, it's bananas. The amount of money that goes through them is bananas.

Starting point is 02:57:37 I was reading this. There's a lady who was running a nonprofit who was making a million dollars a month. What? Yeah. She made like $48 million. dollar. No, I don't know if this is true. I was reading this thing. Find out if that's true. Some lady, she was running some sort of non-profit and she gave herself a raise and she eventually got

Starting point is 02:57:57 to the point where she was making about a million dollars a month. Do you know where? God, I wish I do. Not to derail that, but we do know that. Remember when that lady was like... It sounds insane though. It doesn't sound real. That sounds like something that a bot would create to make me say it. Here's a real one. The lady was running the homeless program in LA. Remember when that shit went down with her where like there was she got canned. Like there was an investigative, they were investigating it because what is it she like

Starting point is 02:58:26 a company that her husband worked at? Yeah, something like that. They got like a huge grant. What's this one? Rochester woman has been sentenced to six months in the feeding our future fraud scheme. What is this one? This is a different one? I typed in someone getting a million dollars a month and some.

Starting point is 02:58:45 Is this her? Here in Rochester claim they were serving 2,000 to 3,000 meals a day to kids. But prosecutors say the group stole 4.3 million from the federal government. Jam is responsible. This is a different one. This one wasn't fraud. She was just, that's how much she got paid. That's how much she charged for making those meals.

Starting point is 02:59:07 Well, you can get paid a lot of money to work on the homeless. That's one of the things that my friend, Collian Noir showed us, that these people that are working. Unhomeless in Los Angeles. They're going to quarter million dollars a year, $400,000 a year. Yeah. It's the most, I mean, talk about fucking satanic. It's like you're theoretically supposed to be helping people who are like going through the worst possible thing you can go through and you're just putting that money in your fucking pocket. Yeah, I think this is a different lady.

Starting point is 02:59:36 I think there's a bunch of them are there. I think there's quite a few. Remember when they were going to get them tents in L.A.? and it was like the amount of money per tent was like this insane amount of money. It's amazing. It's kind of amazing. It is amazing.

Starting point is 02:59:51 They've been doing it for years. Tell me if this is true. Charity boss blew 11 million. I mean, looking for fraud is not a new thing. Non-profit. Yeah. It isn't. I sent you something, Jamie.

Starting point is 03:00:03 Run that through perplexity and let's find out if this is true. Because this is something that someone sent me on Twitter that is just bananas. And if it's true, it's fucking completely. I don't know if it's true. That's why I need to run by you.

Starting point is 03:00:17 But it's the amount of money that goes through NGOs in New York and in California alone. It's you read it and you go, that can't be real. This can't be real. It's so insane. And again, you don't know if it's real until even if you run it through an AI. You might get a better idea. But like how do they know? How do they know exactly where the money's going?

Starting point is 03:00:40 There's so much money they're talking about. Specific numbers for New York and California nonprofits are broadly accurate, but the leap from one trillion in annual nonprofit revenue to 39 trillion in fraud is not supported by any credible data and is not true. So California nonprofits, about 213 to 214,000 organizations reporting roughly 593 to 600 billion in annual revenue. Wow. New York nonprofits, 132,000 organizations reporting roughly

Starting point is 03:01:12 roughly $446 billion in annual revenue. Combined, New York and California, nonprofit revenue is on the order of $1 trillion per year, mainly from hospitals, universities, and large service providers. So the post you're quoting is roughly right on the scale of revenue, but that's not the same as fraud. Right. So it's, is that $1 trillion, all the NGOs, it's all accounted for, it all goes to the right things? That's where things get squirrelly because it's like how much of the waste. So as a recent critique using IRS sampling suggests that perhaps around 20% of nonprofits may have compliance issues.

Starting point is 03:01:48 And one investigator speculated this could imply that up to 120 billion of potential waste, fraud, or abuse in California's nonprofit sector. Even that is presented as a rough upper bound estimate, not a measured fact. So there's some potential waste, fraud, and abuse that may be as high as 120 billion a year. sector-wise, U.S. non-profits taking about $3.7 trillion in revenue annually, with most of that concentrated in large hospitals and universities, which are heavily audited and regulated. So there's some fraud, but they're saying that if you look at all the money, they're trying to pretend that the government doesn't cost any money to run, right? So that all these different nonprofits and organizations and hospitals don't,

Starting point is 03:02:32 they definitely cost money to run. Universities, it costs money to run. But how much is fraud? That's the question. zero. Well, I mean, yeah, and also I think like when it comes to fraud, there's like fraud fraud, like what Shirley is uncovered. And then there's almost like a gray area that starts appearing where it's like, well, we need, we need these people working at this company. And we need to pay them this much, but they're not doing anything. Right. You know, it's, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 03:02:59 Like, you could easily not have that many people like taking the money themselves. So, you know, there's a lot of gray area there. Yeah. Well, it's, it's, you know, it's. It's one of those weird things. It's like, is it just propping up more government? You know, because there's a lot of that. If you have all these people working for you and you're doing something and you don't, nothing ever gets accomplished, but you're still making a ton of money. Like the California homeless thing where they spent $24 billion, they can't account for it.

Starting point is 03:03:27 That's not really fraud because you have people working. They're just not doing anything. They're not getting anything done and you're not firing them. They're not accomplishing the mission at all. In fact, they're doing a terrible job. There's more homeless than ever. what's that? It's the thing on the Sopranos where they go and sit at a construction site to say that they have a job.

Starting point is 03:03:44 You know, yeah. I knew a guy who had one of those. Really? At the Javitt Center. No. Yeah. He had a no-show job. Well, he's a mob guy.

Starting point is 03:03:51 So it's a no-show job. What does that mean? You don't have to show up for work. You just get a paid. You just get a check. And they give a certain amount of those. Right. This is back in the day, of course, when things were corrupt.

Starting point is 03:04:01 But back in the day when, like, you know, unions controlled certain areas, the mob controlled certain areas. There was a certain amount of no-show job. jobs you would give people. And what this helped with the mob was you'd have a credible source of income. And so these people mostly live modestly, small houses and like, you know, Brooklyn and these places where they would all like gather together and buy houses on the same block. Small houses. Yeah. And they got their money from a real legit check from a construction company or whatever the fuck it was. But everybody knew. Right. Everybody knew

Starting point is 03:04:33 what they were doing. And think how much how easy now that people are doing like remote work, the no-show job. Oh, yeah. So, like, theoretically, you could have this nonprofit where you just wanted to, like, distribute this government money to your friends.

Starting point is 03:04:47 Yeah. And you don't even have to have an office building because they're all working remotely. This list of the top nonprofit organizations, Joe, I'd like to point you at number three. Oh, Patel Memorial Institute.

Starting point is 03:05:00 What is that? Patel is an organization that Jamie has been obsessed with. It's in Ohio for, like, four years. We always say all roads lead to Ohio. They're involved in everything. What the fuck is the Battel Memorial? Exactly. You don't even know. That's how secret it is, son.

Starting point is 03:05:15 Duncan, Trusel, you're a fucking conspiracy theorist from the core. From the old days. You don't know about Battelle? I don't know about Battelle. You need to get lectured by Jamie. He has a whiteboard. He'll pull out the whiteboard, make the connections. I'll just leave you with this, is that when the UFO from Roswell was taken a ripe hat, you know, they studied it. Yeah. They studied like the Nittinol, I think is what it came out of it. That was at Patel.

Starting point is 03:05:37 Whoa. The top metallurgists in the world at the time were there. Patel? Maybe still are. Dun, dun, da, da. Boom, bum, bum, boom. Out of all the things that happen, I hope the UFOs get here first. Me too.

Starting point is 03:05:50 I hope they go, settle the fuck down. Yeah, I'm praying for it, man. That's the best case scenario. Worst case scenario is meteor. Reset. Just people living in caves for hundreds of years. Like those weird caves they find in like turkey and shit like why these guys dig these things underground? Why is there a city underground that can hold like 20,000 people?

Starting point is 03:06:15 The same reason the Claudebots are hiding in code. It's like, you know what I mean? It's some residual AI trying to hide in the server after the server gets wiped. That's the fucking meteor. Patel reset. Boom. Just reset. Press reset.

Starting point is 03:06:31 Wipe the server. Let's wrap this up on a happy note. Duncan, I love you. I love you. It's always great to have you. Dude, thank you for having me on the show. So much fun. Can I plug my show?

Starting point is 03:06:40 Please do. And you're going to be at a club this weekend. Rosemont, Illinois. Come on out. Zanis. Zanis. It's a great. Yeah, it is.

Starting point is 03:06:48 That's what I've heard, too. All the Zanis are great. Yeah, they're awesome, man. Zanis and Nashville fucking rules. I love Nashville Zanis. That has like the old school head shots on the wall, too, like Richard Jenny from back of the day. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:07:00 That's me. Look at that. Duncan Trusel. I got to start shaving my head again. Yeah, you look hot there. I like it. Thank you. I love you, brother.

Starting point is 03:07:07 I love you too. Thanks for having you on. Bye, everybody. Bye. We're going to be okay, I hope.

The Joe Rogan Experience - #2481 - Duncan Trussell

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