The Joe Rogan Experience - #2498 - Brendan Schaub

Episode Date: May 13, 2026

Brendan Schaub is the host of “Big Brown Breakdown” as well as the Tubi series “Gear Heads Gone Wild.” https://tubitv.com/series/300019796/gear-heads-gone-wildwww.youtube.com/@ThicccBoy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Rogan podcast, checking out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Hey. Hey, what's up, brother? What's happy, man? Good to see you. This is a good time for you to come in, man, right after this weekend.

Holy shit, brother. I mean, everybody's talking about the Sean Strickland-Hamsaw fight and the debate, but before we even talk about that, bro, how fucking good is Joshua Van? And he's only been fighting about five years. That's what's scary. Crazy good. Five years.

Crazy good. And he has some holes, for sure, that certain guys are exposed. But five, think how. He's not the best on the ground. He's also 24. He's also 24. Yeah. Crazy athlete.

But his fucking boxing, it might be the best in the UFC. It's up there. It's up. Him or Ilya. Yeah. Well, Ilya. The thing about Ilya is Ilya is one punch night night. That's the difference.

It's tough at flyweight to be a knock. artist. But then also Josh. David Davidson, Figuero. True. True. He was starching people. He was. But with Josh, too, again, he's 24. But in Tutsi or Tyra, he also just was blocking punches with his

face. Well, that's the other thing. Like, his defense was so bad. I think he was that Joshua Van's offense was so good. You know what? I think it's a combo of both. Yeah, it's a combo of both. Yeah, for sure. Because Tyra is primarily a grappler. I mean, he's obviously a mixed martial arts fire.

And he did strike. I mean, that's why he didn't completely get blown out of the water. He did strike pretty well. It's just the counters came so clean, so sharp. Like, I rewatched some of it today, and I was like, good Lord, that's pretty. So good. He looks so good. And again, 24.

And, you know, it took all the stink off of the way he won the title. Yeah, but not me, I'm sure not you, but there's a lot of questions that haven't been asked. answered. Oh, for sure. Because Pantosia's a motherfucker. And you look at that, you're like, okay.

How would he do against Pantosia? Hey, man. But again. His stock went up after this fight. I'll tell you that. Look, it was always up, right? But Tyra was a real threat. Tyra got him on the ground, wasn't able to submit him.

Joshua Vange pieced him up on the feet, man. But again, at 24. So let's say they do the Pantosia rematch, whatever, at Q4. And let's say Pantosia gets that win. All good? He's 24. Right.

He's going to be your champ for a very long time. And how old is Alessandrae Pantosia at this point? Not young. In flyweight years, he's 67. Yeah, flyweight's tough. 36. 36, yeah, that's tough. Yeah, that's tough.

If he was a middle weight, you'd be like, that's the beginning of the slide, right? That's the beginning of the slide. Yeah. For Walter weight, you're like, ooh. Yeah. But it flyweight. Oh, bro.

It's crazy. Yeah. Heavyweight is like, oh, he's in his prime. We're cooking at heavyweight. Yeah. Francis is like 38 or something? Yeah. Yeah.

Francis is in his fucking prime. Like, nobody looks at Francis that goes, ah, he's over the hill. Oh, never. Not at all. No, there's some old cats at the heavyweight doing the damn thing, especially now. The heavyweight divisions.

How old Volkov? 59. Honestly, I don't think he's as old as you think he is. Right. He was a Belator champion, M1 champion. He was a Belator champion in the early days of Belator. Yeah, and remember he had in Bellator?

And then when he first got the UFC, he had that Moana tattoo on his back. He had the sting, right? And he changed it into that Japanese mask. Yeah, I like this. The new one looks dope. The new one looks dope. It's so dope. I like to think I'm the one that kind of bullied him into doing that.

Because it's all I ever talked about for like six years when he fought. And he comes out with just this dope-ass samurai tattoo. I'm like, yeah, there is. Well, sometimes you realize, like, this ain't making it. I got to fix this. Yeah, especially that. People are like, bro, why do you have a fuck? fucking stingray on your back.

Bro, speaking of tattoos, how many tattoos is Sean Brady have? That motherfucker's feet are tattooed. Bro. Like his entire body's tattooed. How good did he look? Phenomenal. This thing, my... Phenomenal. I always get stressed out because everyone's asking for betting picks before the fights, and I... M.M.A's tough, dude. M.A.'s tough

the fucking pick. Yeah. So, uh, with the Waukeen-Buckley fight, the reason I told my brother, I'm like, literally put your mortgage on Sean Brady. Because Wachin Buckley did an interview, like a week before, I'm not even working on grappling. I'm not wrestling or grappling. I'm just going to keep this

thing standing and knock this motherfucker out. I was like, oh, buddy. No way. You really said that? Yeah, you can find it out there, Jim. But that could have been just a bullshit tactic to try to get Sean Brady, because Sean Brady probably saw that interview too. Yeah, and was like, cool, say less. I know, but I mean...

10, seven rounds? Three of them? I know. It was nuts. But I mean, you could say that... I hear you. If you were just playing mental... games. I get you. But maybe he actually did that. And it appeared so.

Well, hard to say, because that's how good Sean Brady is. I agree. It's just tough when you lose like that. Because you go back to the, you go back to the locker and you're like, fuck, we're not even in the same ballpark. No. Like I'm, what am I going to do? You look at your coach staff, you go, what are we going to do? I thought I was a top five guy.

Right. I just got beat 10, 6, three rounds in a row. Okay. I was going to bring the. up so I have some insight to this so there was a very strange betting behavior it says it turns out to be meaningless bet online cited abnormal betting patterns as Buckley moved from plus 150 underdog to minus 220 favorite before the fight so this is what happened um there was money that moved very quickly before the fight and the UFC obviously because they've been through this

shit with the guys fixing fights and the FBI investigated it they got concerned And so I believe what happened is they minimized the amount that you could bet online. So you couldn't bet big money anymore. I don't know what the cap. Let's find out what the cap they put on it was. But then they were going to go ahead with the fight, but they wanted to make sure that Sean Brady wasn't injured. So this was the fear. The fear was that some inside camp word got out.

Sean Brady's got an injury. And then all the money jumps up because a lot of times that's what happened. But they did it right? because before they would just cancel the fight. Like, we don't know what's going on here, which can cancel the fight. No, just take the fight off the betting sites. Well, they only did that one time.

They did that one time with the Alexander Hernandez. I don't remember who he was fighting. I don't remember who Alexander Hernandez was fighting. But they did that with that fight. And I thought that was really crazy. Crazy. They asked Alexander, like, are you okay? He's like, I'm fine.

Like, I am planning on winning this fight. But for some reason, he became an underdog. And nothing came out from it either. No. Like I wish they'd be a little more transparent. Like, hey, we look into it. It's our bat, this, you know. But they just cancel the fight.

And so everyone, now we just assume... Something happened. Something happened. Someone's being dirty. Yeah, but then Hernandez fought again and lost his next fight. Fuck, who did he fight? He fought someone on a fight night. It was a very good fight.

Very close fight. The dude was very good. But I'm glad they're not just pulling the fight. Oh, Michael Johnson. It was supposed to be Michael Johnson, but they didn't have that fight. And then who did he fight next instead? So let's just go over this real quick before you figured out who he fought amid suspicious betting movement. So what is suspicious betting movement?

Like, what if you and your boys all go, fuck it, I'm going all in? And you just decide to bet $100,000 on Buckley. Will that change it that dramatically? I don't know. I think we're talking millions. According to this, I think it said that they had certain, I think they have, I think They have certain accounts that they knew. Oh, we're shady?

Yeah, not shady, but I mean, they might be particular whales or whatever that are certain betters that always were betting, you know, $200,000 a fight or whatever, and maybe one or two of them changed. Bruce. Two of the judges score that fight. 30, 25. Abnormal betting patterns from highly monitored accounts. Interesting. Highly monitored accounts is interesting. Boy, you better get a new account.

They're figuring out. They're on to you, bitch. But they also said that they called Sean Brady to hear at the bottom. I was going to point out. So someone called him to let him know. And he's like, well, I'm fine. I love it. He goes, I'm going to beat the shit out of this guy.

What are you talking about? Yeah, you're good to go. I think that's what Alexander Hernandez said too. That's a bummer. Yeah, it is a bummer. But you can also understand. You can also understand from the UFC standpoint being like, because when it happened, especially then, they're like, whoa, whoa.

Oh, yeah. No, they're in a bad spot right now with that. Because until that gets resolved, the, look, the first. The fight game has always been connected to fucking shady people. Always. That's the Marlon Brando movie on the waterfront. I could have been a contender. Yep.

You know? Yeah. That's who he lost, too. Oh, that's right. Hafa Garcia. Very good fight. Very good fight. Hafa did a phenomenal job.

But I think, too, back to the betting, I think that's also a reason why now more than ever, fighters are getting so much hate. Because if you, you know, you have a 9 to 5 and you make a $1,000, a week and you put 500 on say Hamzot and he loses that 500, that's why it's so toxic now. Because yeah, your guy's losing but now it's costing you

money. So I think that's why fighters get in so much more hate these days than they did. Even when I was fighting, betting was a big thing. No, I think you're absolutely right. I think it's Rafa Garcia. Is it Rafa or Hafa? Why am I saying it wrong? I feel like it's Rafa. I think so too. I think I want Brazilian on me. I get it. From a minute there. Yeah, you made

a real good point about the betting because that's why people are getting so upset because they are betting money on it. It's a big problem with some people. With some people, the ability to just bet on anything anytime you want. And now it's like a polymarket and all these different things. You could bet on, you know, fucking anything. Anything.

Anything. How about that fucking soldier that got busted? Time move. He bet that Maduro was going to get kidnapped. Dude, if you don't, but my thing is, it's like the Pete Rose thing. At least Pete Rose is betting on his team to win. This dude was better on his fucking team to win. Right.

Don't discipline him. If you don't think Trump's giving him a part in your goddamn mind. Well, I don't. That guy's awesome. That's a weird one. That's a weird one. But I mean, why is that bad? But the insider trading in Congress goes unchecked. Oh, my God.

Like that. Bro. That's crazy. Like, if you get mad at that people, what a hypocrite. You're also dealing with a special forces guy who, it's not like they're compensated that great. And he was like, oh, I'm going to bet the hell. house that we fucking get this idiot right and by the way he's betting on himself because it didn't

have to happen that's what i'm saying it's worth it could have all got killed it's like pete rose too it's like keep him out of hall of fame i think they're gonna let him in now that he died but oh great yeah cool that helps thank you but it's also like he never bet against his team it's pretty gangster i don't know if that's true i'm pretty sure i don't know james like that shit up i read something online really he might have been against his team at least at one on one game i don't know That's true, though. I'm room for Pete Rose. But I just read something.

I mean, they might have been a Pete Rose hater. That's what I thought. That's what I heard. I mean, if he only bet for his team, I feel like that should be legal. That's what I'm saying. That's like this special forces guy. What, you're trying to win harder? You're trying to win harder because you want money?

Yeah. That would be good. That special force guy, like, dude, you're really into this. Yeah. He's like, fuck yeah, dude. I got a million bucks right on this. No confirmed evidence has ever been produced that Pete Rose bet against his own team. There you go.

The Cincinnati Reds, though there's some speculation. All official. speculation. I must have read speculation. I mean, what the fuck? You say person to believe Pete Rose probably bet against the Reds at some point,

John Dowd said, but even he has acknowledged that his investigation did not produce conclusive proof of such bets. So if I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a fighter, I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a baseball player. Why not? You're just betting to win. Now, betting the

A different story. Different story. But bet, so if you're just saying, is that because you can't tell them how to bet? Like if you're going to let them bet, they have to be able to bet on whatever they want. Like, man, I don't know if I'm win this fight. Man, I'm not feeling good. I'm going to try, but I think I might lose. So let me just see if I can make a little extra money just in case I'll lose.

Say, well, I try my hardest, I lost, but. Still made some money. Made some money. Yeah, that's good. It just opens a can of worms you don't want to deal with. Well, like, nobody's been. Right. Right, because then what if you won?

You're like, I won, yeah, but I lost money because I fucking bet against myself like an idiot. Yeah. Right? You made no money this fight. You'd have to be a fucking psycho to try to win, knowing this is going to cost you money. Like your whole camp, paying your fucking trainers, your manager, everything. Fucking nightmare. What's like the Hamzot Strickland fight, you and I, right when that fight got announced, we texted each other and I went, good fight, good fight.

I know everyone's going to, you know, Hamzot's a big fight. favorite, but we both went, I don't know, man. I can see it. I was nut riding for Strickland the whole time. I was like, that guy is the fucking captain of the deep water. He knows how to go into deep water, man, and he knows how to survive. He can survive.

And the thing about Hamzad is if he takes you down, he wants to hold you down and just beat on you and not expand a lot of energy, like you did with Dreckas. That's an issue. You can't do that with Sean. Sean is not going to sit still. He's very hard to hold down. He's got super underrated grapple.

super underrated. You know, when he saw he almost threw Hamzot, like later in the fight, you know, and he did wind up on top multiple times. Like, it's, he ain't easy for anybody. Far from it. And he had a blown out shoulder. Boom. That's the other thing. Everyone's like, well, you know, Hamzot was compromised because the weight cut.

It's like, well, hold on. Sean had one arm. Sean had one fucking arm. And when he did throw that right hand in that second round, he wobbled Hamza. No one wants to talk about that. The most significant punch was in the second round. Yeah. He flash knocks out, and Hamza, and Hamza's like, oh, shit.

And he probably fucking jolted his shoulder with pain. And still defend the take that. Notice he was doing this at the beginning of the fight. Before the fight started, he was doing this with his arm. So he's warming up, he's doing this. But he kept doing this with his right on. I'm like, ooh, that's what I do. If my shoulders hurt, to see how hurt it is.

Yep. How does it feel? Feel the range? Yeah, how's it feel? And he was only going to here. He was only going to here. He kept doing it. But dead pan killer look on his face.

That motherfucker's still one. Yeah. Here's my thing about it. Still fought when a lot of guys would have pulled out. A lot of guys would have said, I can't use my arm. I'm pulling out. Especially for that magnitude of a fight. I think with Strickland, too, now that he won people, like, oh, is he a Hall of Famer?

1,000 percent. 100 percent. 100 percent. He's a hall of famer. My thing with Strickland, too, it's like he's going to be a bigger start now more than ever. I think that fight is the one that put him even bigger. The thing about Strickland is he's the guy that's not supposed to be here. Like everyone, when we talk about, you know, Chechnans or Dagestanians or wherever these war-tong countries are from, and they're like, this is the only way they made it out.

Dude, Strickland grew up a poor white kid in America, disenfranchised. Dude had an abusive father. The odds are so against Strickland, so against Strickland. And this motherfucker beat, arguably the best strike in the middleweight division of all time in Izzy Adasania, beat him at striking, at fucking striking in Australia. And then they give him arguably the best grappler of all-time middleweight division. And he beats him. So he, we're all of you listening, all you guys are closer to Sean Strickland than you are to LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes.

He's just a tough white kid who trains his ass off. He's a blue-collar guy. He doesn't run a 40 and a 4-4. He doesn't have a 40-inch vertical. He got one bad leg from a motorcycle accident. He almost ruined his whole career. I get chills talking about. Dude, he's the guy, he's that blue-collar guy through hard fucking work is a Hall of Famer,

bona fide Hall of Famer, and beat two of the greatest middle weights of all time. Right. And in all the sites, he's an underdog. Fluffy, underdog. DDP, underdog. Granted, he lost, but I thought he won that first fight. Hamzaa, massive underdog. Is he, massive underdog.

Second fight with, with DDP, he fucked his shoulder up, too. Driving a dirt bike like a fucking psychopath. Crazy. Crash his dirt bike, fucked his shoulder up, and they told him you had a fight. So you had to take the fight. So you had to take the fight with a fucked up shoulder. And one of the things you notice about when he's throwing right hands, in particular in this fight, I noticed it was, they were awkward sometimes. Sometimes they just looked weird. Like he was trying not to use his shoulder or something. It's compromised. Yes, 100%. And I saw some of that

in the second Strickland, the second DDP fight, you know, where it looked like he was kind of throwing his punches weird, you know, which sometimes he does anyway, because he's, you know, he goes around the guard. It's awkward. It's strategic. He's throwing shit that you're not going to block correctly and then he's going to land clean shots. But when you see him when there's nothing wrong with him, like he had this giant break

because he punched somebody in some fucking low-level promotion. Oh, that's right. Yeah. So they gave him. He's a wild boy. So they gave him like eight months suspension, something like that, six months suspension, whatever it was. So you see him against Hernandez when he's perfect, and he looks fucking phenomenal.

Best I've ever seen. His striking look phenomenal. Everything looked phenomenal. And I'm like, oh, God, he looks like a better version of the guy who beat Izzy. He looked better. Best we've ever seen him. And then he beats Hamza with one shoulder. This episode is brought to you by ketone IQ.

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Go ahead and take your shot. And so if you count them out based on that fight, we thought homes are won. A lot of people did. Look, it's a lot of people that no fighting thought Homsot won. There's a lot that I think it's split among journalists. I think I was reading something.

I don't really read anything, by the way. I really read the headlines and then I move on. You'll be careful with journalists. I'll listen to former fighters or people that have been around the game a long, long time. If you have Homsot winning, yeah, okay, nobody was robbed, but I can give you a pretty good argument why Strickland won that fight. Yes. I can give you a damn good argument.

I think he won the fight. It was like I was talking. to him inside the octagon before the fight said what do you think and i said it was really close it was really close because you really never know with judging you know we've both seen fights where we were sure that one guy won and the other guy gets it from the judge so you don't know so you know in my opinion i would have to go over and watch it again because when i call fights i'm just calling it's tough i'm not really scoring them super tough it's weird because like what you're trying to do is make some entertainment out of moments

and put some weight to it and express maybe to people that don't know exactly what's going on. You're also listening to your other partners in the booth. Right, well, D.C. is great at that. DC's the best at explaining shit to people that don't know what's going on when it comes to wrestling in particular because he's such an elite wrestler. And there was a lot of wrestling moments in that.

So that's what you're doing. So you're not really judging the fight. If you're judging, you'd be silent. Like Eddie Bravo, you used to, the judge fights unofficially for the UFC in the early days. And what Eddie would do was he would have a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle for each guy. And then he would have categories. Strikes land, kicks landed, punches landed, take down submission attempts.

He would mark all these different things. Like every time something would happen, he would mark it down. And then he would also go by who landed the most damage. And he was really good at it. Like he was very accurate. In terms of like, I never disagreed with him. I was like, that makes sense. But if your intention is to score the fight, like you don't have to be entertaining and do the commentating, I can do that.

It's like I do commentate for a game bread and there's a fight, fight of the night. And Jimmy Smith is going, who do you think won? I said, dude, this isn't the time to ask because I was entertained by the fight. We're doing our thing. Right, right, right. I'll go home and watch it. I'll let you know exactly who won. It's such a close fight.

I don't know, dude. Especially wars. Especially a crazy war. It's so hard to figure out who won. Some wars like, like, let's, you know, think of like, what if Tyra and Joshua Van had made it to the end? That's a tough one. That's a tough one. I mean, Joshua Van definitely did more damage, 100%.

Which is the number one thing they are supposed to judge it off. So I would judge that in favor. Because we had a conversation about the Gomez fight. Who was Gomez fighting? Pat Sabatini. So Pat Sabatini was fighting Gomez. and all Pat Sabatini did was clinch him and try to take him down. Took it down a couple times.

But when they were standing up, GOMIS, Pat landed a few strikes, definitely. It wasn't like he was completely outclassed on the feet, but GOMIS landed more. So I'm like, okay, I know Pat spent the majority of the fight in control, the majority of fight clenching, the majority of fight working towards a takedown. That's a many fights. But it was unsuccessful for the most part. Gomez bounced back up to his feet every time, never took any damage on the ground, never got close to being submitted.

And then when they stood up, GOMO, was the one who was going after him landing strikes. I don't know if it was enough to win, though, because it's like there wasn't a lot of damage. It wasn't like he hit Pat and Pat got rocked and Pat went down and there was none of that. But Gomez was doing better in the stand-up, which when it comes to damage, that was the only damage of the fight. But the other thing you got to take consideration is like I love DC's one of my favorites. But DC has an extensive wrestling background. So he's usually going to, not that he means to, but because,

Because he has such an extensive wrestling background, if you listen to Kamar Usman, Henry Sehudo, most of them will score that fight for Hamzot because of the wrestling involved. But if you talk to someone else who doesn't have a wrestling background or it's more of a striking background, most of them score it for Strickland.

So you always got to, I take it with a little bit of grain of salt. When those guys, heavy wrestlers, if there's wrestling, but they weren't successful, like, take times were successful, they're like, that's a taketown, like, but he didn't do shit with it, though, man. There's also the Strickland factor. there's a lot of people that he rubs the wrong way.

Boom. And they don't want him to win. Because of the wild shit that he says offstage. Listen, sometimes he goes too far. He said he went too far. He apologized for going too far. But God damn, did he sell some tickets? I like what you said, though.

You said, don't apologize. You're selling a fight. Yeah. That's my thing, too. It's like, whoa, no, no, don't apologize. Don't apologize for any of that. Because on Monday, I was so excited to get in studio. I was so excited.

I felt like for first time in a long time the UFC's back I felt back man You really think the UFC's gone away? No, no, no, I'm not saying that I'm not saying that I'm saying as far as like Connor Khabibh Like bad blood

Big time Couldn't wait Like I dude I was tech day before I'm taking Dude I can't fucking wait It was like I was so hype for this fucking fight dude It just felt like You know there was Connor Day, Kabib days those are over

But this one, the magnitude of it, and I usually can tell when the fights can be really big, because I'm always at baseball fields and football fields. And dads will come and be like, dude, do you think Strickland has a chance? I'm like, you watch fighting? I'm like, oh, shit. I was like, this can be huge, dude. This can be fucking big, dude. It was huge, and it was huge because of the way Sean sold it, 100%. Not just that Sean has a ton of fans, for sure, you know, but it was the way he sold it.

The chaos. People love it. They love that, and especially casuals. They love the chaos. I love it too. It's fun. He makes things fun. Makes things fun.

And then people get so mad, you know, some stuff he says, but it's like, there's a lane for that. I hate to tell you, there's a lane for that. And I think Strickland, you've been around Strickland. He's a good person. He has some crazy thoughts and stuff like that, which is fine. But remember, too, people go, yes, he doesn't have stars. And then you get a kid like Strickland, who's building his name. This is going to be the most watch fight, one of the third most watch wains of all time.

So he's trying to be a star. So you guys are complaining there's no stars. And then when he's doing the damn thing, he has a hating on him. You know, so it's like, pick your poison. Well, they're hating by the way he's doing it, right? That he's making things super personal. But this is what Connor did. I mean, that's what Connor did with Khabib.

Connor crossed the line many times with Kibib. Oh, buddy. The lines here. Connor was all the way over here. And there was no apologizing after that. I mean, that was the brawl afterwards where Khabib, you know, jumped in the crowd and fucked up Dilly Danes. That was my favorite. That's my favorite picture of all time.

I need it framing my fucking suit. When Kabeb's literally flying off the fucking cage about to fucking. But remember, before that fight, in the fight, Kabe was all professional. He was all good. As soon as that motherfucker ended, he's like, now it's time to get to work. Yeah. Dude. That is a crazy photo.

Take my motherfucking world. World champion just got done, stopping Connor McGregory. and he's leaping into the fucking crowd just like his nickname. And super humble. Yeah, the eagle. His talons are fucking out for his face. I mean, you couldn't come up with a better nickname for that dude. You know how Dan Henderson has that flying punch that he landed on Bisping?

When Bisping was down, that's like his logo. That should be Khabib's logo. 100%. With like rings on it, like a flying eagle? Like a fucking animal. Dude, that was me. God, I love that guy. I love him.

Oh, we, you know, we appreciated him while he's here, but maybe not enough. But with Hamzot, too, I also think a couple of factors that went against him on Saturday night. He's been in big fights, but he hasn't been in this big of a fight. Defending the middleweight title, you have this wild boy talking so much shit. So I just, I don't think he's dealt with that kind of pressure at that level. And then also, Hamzot's always kind of has. had a cardio issue. Because remember when I went to his camp, I called you.

I'm like, bro, I've never seen someone so fucking, I'm talking vicious, fucking everybody up, destroying them. I was like, oh my God. So there's an issue with him, and I don't know what it is, where that's not translating inside the octagon. Well, I can tell you right now, first of all, first part of the issue is the weight cut. Yes and no. 100%. Dude, he cut 22 kilos. Listen to me, he got 40-something pounds.

They were making it so that he was going to fight Yuri Prohast. At 205. Right. So he starts bulking up. And he's eating like a fucking animal and he's deadlifting and doing all kinds of crazy shit. He said he was 2.30, I think. He was above that. Yeah.

Yeah. He was somewhere north of 2.30. And so then he's 2.30, whatever. And so then he's got to drop down to 85, which is bananas. That's so hard to do. He never got fat. So what happens? Well, your muscle gets eaten away.

Yeah. Your body deteriorates. You can't recover. And he had a bad breakdown in the middle of the weight cut. I heard his horror. Was here, his brother today was like, yes. We thought his body was going to shut down. Yeah.

So they took an hour off weight cutting and then they went back. And he only had like 1.2 kilos to lose at that point, which is what is that? Was that like 5 pounds? No. No, I mean two pounds? Two and a half pounds? Right. Two and a half.

What is it? It's 2.2. Okay. So somewhere around. He was 230. It's a lot, though. If you're already dying, you've got to lose two pounds of water. Oh, it's a nightmare.

Two-60-ounce bottles of water. But when he was, let's say, 2.30 or maybe 2.35, how many weeks out was that? Do we know? I don't know. Because when Strickland beat Fluffy, they were like, hey, forget this Yerry fight. You're fighting at 85. It's a few months. It's a few months, but when you have muscle and not fat, it is a problem.

It's a real problem. It's not the same problem. So if you get big like Strickland gets in between fights, like Strickland, there's a lot of videos of him training where he's got almost like a belly. He's heavy and he makes fun of himself. He's fat. That's a different fat. That's different to lose. You can lose that.

You can lose that. That's not a problem to lose. When you're bulked up, your body has decided that now you're 230 pounds and you're still working out all the time. So your body's using those muscles all the time. So if you want those muscles to shrink, they literally have to eat themselves. Yeah. So you have to fucking. starve yourself or

you do a radical dehydration which brings you to the brink of death. That's what fun. And it seems like that's what he did. Probably a factor, but my thing... Giant factor, dude. It's a factor for sure. There's also a factor, but it's not like in the DDP fight, in these

other fights, not like he's going in there tenacious, finishing guys. Well, the DDP fight was just him in control. It was just him grappling, him in control. And no attempt to finish. That's my issue with him. True. He just wanted to secure the win.

I think it's here. It could be. It could be. And that also plays a factor when you're dealing with a guy like Sean who's so durable and has such great cardio and can take the fight into deep, deep waters and always does. Yeah. He's always going after you in the final round. Like the final round with Izzy, when he's got his hands down, he's screaming at Izzy. Come on. He looks back.

He gets better as the fight goes on. Yeah. And Izzy had noticeably faded by that final round. part of that because of the beating that he took in the first. Correct. Right. He got dropped to him. Super close to stopped,

probably concussed in the first. You know? I mean, that fucking straight punch that he landed where he spun Izzy's head around and then hit him with how many fucking left hands in a row? 15, 20 left hands in a row? I mean, let's count them.

Yeah. Let's watch that and count them because it's crazy. He just bang, bang, bang, bang. If you think you're going to go and just fight normal after that, you're concussed. Compromise. Probably you have a concussion.

Yes. Just by the way he went down. His head spun around. It was a right hand, right hand. It was a right hand. Picture perfect right hand. Picture perfect straight right. I mean, it was picture perfect.

And you don't get a cleaner, better right hand. And then blast him with all those punches in the clinch. You're gone after that. You're a shell of yourself. You're gone. I think my thing with Hamza, too, is after, again, you could, chalk it up to the weight cut, that second round, when he doesn't land that take down and falls to his back, I'm like, oh, he's cooked.

Dude, I think his body was shutting down. His body was shutting down, and he realized that he went real hard in the first round, but doesn't have the gas tank. He said, let me coast. I can survive on the bottom here, but I need to catch my breath if I'm going to try to finish this guy. It might have been a strategy. And he got better, that third, fourth, fifth round.

Right, because the strategy might have been, listen, if I'm on my back, no big, like, he tries for a take down, can't get it, he realized like, oh, Jesus, I'm not going to be able to fight standing up like this for five minutes after that first round. Because his body almost shut down 24 hours ago. 24 hours ago, it is the dumbest fucking thing we do in the sport where we allow these people to pretend that they weigh a certain way. You pretend, oh, it's a 185-pound fight. The fuck it is.

Either one of those guys, 100%. And Strickland is actually a bigger guy than him. Strickland's a big boy. Strickland, that night in the cage is a bigger dude. Well, he definitely looked healthier, right? And I think part of that you could attribute to the fact that Hamzad is killing himself. Well, what Hamzot say to Dana, as soon as he jumped out of the cage, goes, I'm done fighting now, I'm going to 205. But apparently now, all he's talking about is a rematch.

It's back on. Yeah. It's back on. So what he's got to do. Love to hear is he has got to limit his calorie intake, and he's got to literally burn the muscle off. He can't just keep dehydrating himself. stuff like that. So you'd have to talk to someone who's an expert at that, but my friend Cam Haynes, when he runs these ultra-marathons, what he does is he gets himself down like 160 pounds.

And the way he does it is he just limits his fucking calories and keeps working out the exact same way. And he looks terrible when he does that. He looks so tired all the time. But it's just sheer willpower gets him down to that weight. But that is slow running for days. Correct. That's a different thing. We can't do that. Right. What he's doing is exploding and moving quickly. And I, my personal opinion is you have to be biologically healthy to do that. You have to be a healthy person. You can't just be big, right? And you're not healthy if you almost died a day ago. Correct. Because that's really what's going on. And we think these, oh, these guys can recover. But how much do they recover? Well, they fucking for sure don't recover 100%.

Not a hondo. Not a hundred percent. That's why I'm excited for him at 205. Like a lot of people are like, oh, I don't like them. I'm like, if the weight is an issue at 205, if he's 100% of Hamza, I know he might be a little undersized, but 100% could be a lot better than a 70%. That's great. Strickland ain't going to do it. He's going to say, you didn't fucking make the weight the first time.

Oh, 100%. He's going to talk mad shit. It'll be fun. He's a fucking coward. I beat him with one arm. It's going to get crazy. You got to fight him at middleweight. but he's got to go to some expert in losing weight.

Oh, no, I'm not saying Strickland-Hamsat at 205. No, no, Strickland's going to stay at fucking 85 and Dominique. No, Hamzat, he's going to do that rematch, and then that's it. He's a 205er. Well, I think he's, or to your point, he has to maintain a weight that's realistic when you can still perform. But he has to figure that out. He's got to stop lifting weights, right? So whatever he was doing that got him up to 230 pounds or whatever,

whatever he was, we're guessing, right? That's what I had heard that he was north of 2.30. Whatever he was doing, he's got to not do that, and he's got to do mad cardio, just cardio. Like, working out, like wrestling, hitting a bag, hitting pads, and cardio. I'm a big proponent of do your sport. Get your cardio from your sport. Like, I see it across the board.

Like, I get a little hesitant when I saw all these videos of Hamzot. You know hitting the tire with the hammer and doing all these runs. I'm like, yeah, but I'd rather you get your cardio from actually wrestling against top-level guys and fucking get after it, dude. Because what's Strickland do? Do you see Strickland doing all this heart rate monitor? No. No. Why is his cardio so good?

Because he fucking spars like a madman all the time. So the Strickland you see in that training camp is the exact same motherfucker you see in the octagon. There's no issues. Meanwhile, you got these guys, you know, run their hill sprints and do all. I'd rather you get your cardio in your actual sport. I see it at the lower level with kids. I coach football, baseball. These dads are like, I don't get it, man.

I'm doing the foot ladder drill with my son five days a week. Can't catch football. I'm like, because we're not trying to see who has the best foot ladder. Who can do it the fastest? We're catching footballs, dude. Do you think that there's-fowls if you want to get better at football? 100%. But do you think that some of that stuff has a purpose?

Yes, but not close to the fight. Hmm, interesting. Because usually what we would do is, like, let's say you do have eight-week camp. Before the camp starts, we're doing a lot of that stuff. And then once we get a camp, the focus was the cardio was getting it in in your training. You know who agrees with you? Al Jermaine Sterling. Al Jameen talked about this.

He's pretty good. Pretty fucking good. How good did he look against Alal? Dude. Best back control in the game. So, and I don't, why is he so underrated? I don't get it. Why he doesn't get his dudes?

It's pure yon. It's fucking crazy. He's so good. The victory where he had an injury from an illegal shot. People hated on him from then on out. Think how good he did he did against evil over. I know. He's amazing.

That was a fucking split decision. Some people thought he won. Yeah. Yeah, he could have easily won that. That motherfucker is so good. Yeah, Aljim is the man. Yes. But he said that Marab does the same thing.

Now, who the fuck has better cardio than Marab? I would say nobody. Nobody alive. Ever in any sport I've ever seen. Maybe that guy that broke the fucking whatever. There's four minute mile or something, but as far as what we do? Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down. Exactly.

He's not getting punched in the face. People should just go to Mrobs'Camp and be like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm wrestling. I'm fucking wrestling. He does run. He does run and he does lift some weights every now and then, but he doesn't do any of that crazy garage stuff. And one of the guys that spoke out against the garage stuff was Cub Swanson.

I shouldn't say spoke out against it. But what he did say was that when he did that, because he did some of the training lab stuff, he said he was too broken down. He said he was overtrained and he said he was just too tired when he was going into like fight camp. Yeah. It's tough to recover. You're doing all the other stuff too. You're still boxing. You're still kickboxing. You're still wrestling. And he said he did badly in those fights, which is interesting because, you know, the Marvin Morindovich approach was very different with BJ Penn. And that was the best BJ Penn ever. The best BJ Penn ever. But they literally did no fight training. What they did is all pliometric. And it's different from the stuff the training lab stuff is doing.

Because the training lab stuff, he's doing bicycle work and all this different. Because that's what Sam Calveda came from. Correct. Came from a cycling background. What Marv was having him do was all pliometric stuff and just build this fucking insane machine. He's like, BJ, you already know how to fight. Fact. You're not going to get better at fighting in eight weeks, right?

Fact. But what we can do is give you an unstoppable gas tank. And one of the things that always fucked BJ up earlier in his career is that he wasn't when he was training himself or when he had, you know, wasn't. Kim and his brother. Yeah, it wasn't the most disciplined. Different days. Yeah. He was phenomenally talented. Freak.

Freak. And one of the things, won the world, the Mondials at three years in to Jiu-Jitsu as a black belt. Like, nobody does that. That's why he's almost a bad example. You know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah. Right. But what he, the problem with really talented people, and I'm sure you'd probably agree with me, they tend to not.

work as hard. Yeah. Right. Like Sean, although he's a world champion, he's not a guy where you see like, oh my God, he is so talented. Like what he does is like no one can move that way. No one can do what he does. Like, you know, there's certain guys that are like that. Sean stuff is hard work. Hard work. So the guys that are super talented, it comes a little easier for them and sometimes they have a harder time with the hard work because they're not used to getting beat up. They're not used to getting pressed. So when they have to do this drill where you're rotating in new sparring partners over it and you're exhausted and when you're doing that hell, they don't like that. No. So some guys avoid that shit. They just want to be tuning guys up. Spot on. Yeah. And so those guys

when they're fighting a George St. Pierre or someone of a commensurate skill level, they might fade. Yep. Because that guy got there and it threw a different path. I mean, George, although he's a phenomenal athlete, one of the best wrestlers in MMA ever, and didn't even come from a wrestling background. I mean, George, one of the all-time greats. There's not, like, one thing that George would do that would make you think, like, that guy's a freak athlete. There's never been anybody like him like that.

No, far from it. To your point, far from it, because I train with George forever. And when we did, they would have to do some stuff like I did in the NFL, like sprints and vertical and the agility drills, like nothing. Nothing crazy. No. But BJ was crazy. BJ was crazy.

BJ could do stuff where you're like, how the fuck can you do that? BJ could jump out of a pool and land easy. You know, BJ can, he has insane flexibility. Like the way he moves his legs. His balance is nuts. There's a video of someone trying to take him down and they have a single and they are driving across the cage. And he's on one leg hopping with zero fear of being taken down.

But to your point, like, BJ's that talented. John's another one. Yep. Where it's like... Right, right. Exact, exact. Perfect.

They're so fucking talented. So fucking talented. And then the difference being like John always figured out a way to win. And John, if he had a bad camp for one fight, he would come back in the next fight and really fucking put it to somebody. Yeah. Right. Like the Gustafson fight. First fights with Gustafson, he doesn't train at all.

I talked to Craig Jackson. He's like, he barely showed up. At all. Barely showed up in the gym. And then has a five-round war. And pulls it out in the final two rounds. It's crazy. Crazy.

Gets taken down for the first time. We see him get taken down by Gustafsson. Like, oh my God, Gustafsson might be the man. And John pulls it out. So the second fight comes around, and John trains hard. Fuck him up. And John fucks him up. I mean, fucks him up in a way.

Like, this is what would have happened if I tried. Yeah. If I prepared the way you prepared, this is how it goes you get you get a fucking beating you know and this is the dance of like who's the greatest of all time and that's why the argument in most people's eyes is that john is the greatest of all time because john was all those things super talented and when push came to shove and he he had to get back into work and get to gear he would do it and he would pull it off against dc he would pull it off. The steep

fight was, I think that was not steepe. That was an old. No, that's when you, like, when you talk about his resume, you're like, all right, you know. Steep A is the steepe that, you know, ran through the heavyweight division. The stepe that knocked out Alist or Overeem, that beat Fabrizio

Verdun for the title, beat Francis. When Francis was just crushing everybody. And I think that took a lot out of his chin, that Francis fight. I really do. Oh, that changed them forever, I think. DC knocks him out right after that. And, you know, it wasn't the biggest punch in the world.

No. It was a big punch, but, I mean, he had taken bombs from Francis. Yeah, back to John being the greatest of all the time, it's like, when you look at his resume, it's just like, fuck. It's phenomenal. Phenomenal. Fenerable. It's the first of... As far as, like...

Did Josh Barnett win it earlier? No, I think John's the youngest. John's the youngest. John's the youngest. And Joshua Van's second now. Right. So Josh Barnett won the heavyweight title, what, 24? Yep, and those boys were, well, it's...

Didn't they strip him for steroids when everyone was doing steroids? That is crazy. It's like when WW, you guys get busted, you're like, oh, come on. Like, bitch, you ain't testing everybody. You just don't like Josh. It's a way to get him out. I love Josh. It's a way to get him out.

But back to John, it's like, you look at his resume. Grace to ever do it. Yeah. Beat the very best in Murderers Row. Murder's row. Now, you know, it's not even comparable to today's light heavyweight and heavyweight. But then... You don't think so?

No. Well, listen. Especially at heavyweight. When Alex was the light heavyweight champion, it's certainly comparable. Alex is the light heavyweight champion. The Alex that beat Magamette off. The Alex that knocked out Yuri Prohaska. The Alex that starches everybody that fucked up Jamal Hill.

Like that Alex Pereira and John Jones in his prime would have been insane. That would have been insane. Oh, man. Tough to beat the wrestling of John. Like, John's wrestling was on a totally different. Reach, his IQ, the wrestling would be tough rounds. Look at he did this Cheryl gone. Crazy.

I mean, he avoided the shots. He read him like a book. Bullied him. Bullied him, got all of his neck and like, I'll take that. Dude, if you go back and look at John, my fighting years too, you look at that light heavyweight division, one through fucking 15, good luck. That's especially heavy weight. True. Good fucking luck.

But at light heavy weight, okay. Not a lot of those guys are ranked in top 10. How do you think, Yuri. Well, let's think of Alex. How do you think Alex would have done against Gustafson? Very tough fight for him. You think so? Gustafsson in his prime?

Yeah. You think so? Yeah. And do you think that based on the Tesherra fight? Because he pieced up Glover. Remember that fight? Yeah. Bro, that was a video game combination.

Brother. He knocked out. To Shera. Alex is one of those guys, similar to DC. When John just reigned as champ, it's like if Alex was just born at a different time, maybe five years before, five years after, he's our John Jones he was so fucking talented

huge 666 6-6 7 great wrestling great world-class boxing good at everything dude great card in the division with the goat you're fucked yeah you got fucked your mom and dad did decide to have sex same time John and his parents did and you're fucked look at what happened with

Ilya think about the guys that he's fighting think about Max Holloway think about Charles Oliverer think about Alexander Volcanovsky and he is black All of them into orbit. All three of them. First guy ever to stop Max.

It's like if you're in that guy's division, what are you going to do? Especially at 45. I don't know what it's going to be like at 55. Obviously the Olivera fight was a one-punch knockout. That was such a bad knockout. Crazy knockout. But when you see him and Justin next to each other, they're like, whoa, Justin is quite a bit bigger. Just a big cat?

He's quite a bit bigger. That's a tough fight. It's a different fight than Olivera. It's different. But fuck, then you see what Olivera was able to do to Max. You're like, good Lord. Like, Olivera is a fucking beast. He looked phenomenal.

And it couldn't do none of that to Ilya. Yeah, the only thing with all that is like the 55 division, everyone's, no one's in the prime. Like Charles is in his prime when Ilya beat him. Justin's definitely not his prime. Max is in his prime. They're all good. They're fucking good. But not prime prime.

Right. And the issue is, is Ilya's just getting to his prime. He's just getting to his prime. He's surging. And already one of the greatest of all times. He's a fucking problem. Yeah, he's so smart and so disciplined and so, like, completely focused and dialed in. Grated everything.

Grated everything. Grated everything. And the crazy thing is didn't even start as a striker. Crazy. Started as a grappler. Crazy. Now, his toughest matchup is Armist Surukin. That's the motherfucking fight.

100%. Oh, but that's what I was going to say. With Hamzot, he's not active. I know I'm jumping around. a little bit, but with Hamzot, I think one of his issues with whatever's going on inside that Okon, weight cut 100%. Clearly there seems to be

a mental block when it comes to finishing fights, because he's worried about gassing out. RAF, take a page out of fucking Surukin's book. Just wrestle all the Surukin, I think he's wrestled like eight times this fucking year. I know. Just fucking dudes up, making all the

money. It makes six figures every time he fuck somebody up, but he's active. He's staying active, staying in shape. competing. competing and the UFC's going yeah go ahead and do it so for Hamzaa dude because he fights once a fucking year which is not good dude right so it's like stay active over there stay active like like Armis Rukin's doing keep your weight down yeah I don't know if he's interested in doing that I signed with him yeah but what was the fight that they signed that he was gonna he was gonna wrestle somebody who was it do you remember uh I think they want to toss him like an Olympian which I which is that's where it gets dice yeah here's my fear there was a recent event there was a very weird I don't know who did it, but it was kicks to the leg, punches to the body, and jujitsu. Have you seen that? No, get the fuck out of my face.

It was weird. Yeah, no. So Glace and T. Bow was fighting. I apologize, I don't remember who he was fighting, and he takes this guy down and the guy catches, he's trying to avoid the takedown, he catches his knee in a weird way and it blows out. So that could happen to fucking anybody. Wrestling is a little safer though. I don't know about that, because this was in the wrestling exchange.

in the wrestling exchange that he took him down. Yeah, but those guys aren't exactly like high level wrestlers. True. You know, like the RAF has, it's top tier shit. Oh yeah, no doubt. It's so good. No doubt. It's so good. Wrestlers blow their knees out all the time. True. It's just a part of the

craziness of explosive movement and a guy is coming after you. But it's kind of what you sign up for. So for hindsight, it's like, dude, we can't fight fucking once a year and they have weight issues. And clearly there seems to be a mental block and you get finishes because you're cardio. Let's do R-A-F.

Let's get this rolling. Keeps your weight down. Keeps you active. Also keeps you in the limelight. Like, Armine has blown the fuck up, dude. True. He's a massive star now. True.

Especially online. I don't know how much that translates to the point of the Republic. That's a great point. It's a great point. Dorks like us. Take a fucking point. We are some darts. A riding his nuts.

He beat Giorgio twice. It's such a good point. Is it Lance Palmer, the wrestler that he tech-falled, which is nuts. Nuts. Your eye favor threw over the fucking thing? That was crazy. Why'd you do that? What if you both got hurt? What if you hurt?

He's a bit of a mane head. Well, he's a psychopath. Yeah. He's a full-on psychopath. I mean, he's rich. Dude, he's so rich? Literally wealthy. Do you see him on that stream?

They go, so like if you wanted to buy a car like 500,000 car, what do you do? He goes, I just call my dad. Yeah. His dad's like a billionaire. He's got tons of money, but he's not lazy at all. No, he's like he flies. in the face of this long-standing belief that we all had, that if you come from a rich family, you can't be a great fighter.

Dude, he's Batman. It doesn't matter if you come from the ghetto. He's going to fuck you up. He does not give a father. Like, some fucking dudes, like, I'm from the favelas. You know, I did. Good luck. Cool, man.

Good luck with that fucking Armenian psychopath. Yeah, and he's pulling up in a Maybach. Yeah. He's the shit. He pulls into L.A. I watch his YouTube videos. He shows him training and all the different stuff he does. When he lands in L.A., he, he lands in L. he goes immediately to an exotic rental car place and rents a Lamborghini and drives it to the training lab.

Bro. It's not the way it's supposed to work, but he pulls it off. Bro, good luck with that guy. Good luck with that guy. Go ahead and make fun of him for being rich. Bill like a Greek god can wrestle like a fucking elite top-tier wrestler. And he can strike. And he can submit you.

Good luck. And he's angry because he's denied a shot at the title. Because he hurt his back when he was getting ready to fight Ilya. Which is the best thing ever happened to him. You think so? Yeah, because look how much big. We were fucking dorts, and we knew who he was. But the general, like especially online,

his profile's so big now. I think it's just with dorks. I mean, I think, yeah. But those dorks, the equal sponsorship, money. Well, here's the deal. There's only one compelling fight. Look at the fucking build on this cat. That is not a guy that grew up with a billionaire dad

who could just go buy a fucking Lamborghini with his credit card. if he wants to. He's Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still alive. It's nuts. He has no reason to be upset. Well, I'll tell you what, Armenians, look at the fuck, shut the fuck. Shut the fuck up, man. Just shut up. Great body. That's ridiculous. That makes me want to just quit and eat fucking potatoes all day. Or get you in that fucking kind of shape. Yeah. Yeah. Or just get ripped. This episode is sponsored by Better Help. We've all been there, staying up late, stressed about the future. Maybe you're worried about finding a job or a looming deadline. Whatever. you're feeling stressed out about, you don't have to work it out on your own. No one person has

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Brother, if he beats Ily to Perrette, U.S. Freedom 250. in front of Donald Trump, he's the only American that gets the belt. It's bigger, it's beyond just MMA UFC. Yeah. Miracle and Ice, fuck off. This is, imagine the headlines do. Yes. And he beats that guy in his prime who's knocking everyone to the shadow realm.

He says to Charles O'Levara, I'm sorry it has to be you. Has a celebration party the night before the fight? At a party. Had a party. Was drinking wine and shit? No, he wasn't. Was he? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine.

No, I think it was water. No, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine. Imagine that fucking psychopath. And he's got that beautiful fucking Spanish accent. Yeah, dude, just checks all boxes. Checks all the boxes. It's such a tough fight for Justin, but I'm rooting for Justin. I love both of them.

But just for the sheer fact of, again, I like chaos. At that, in front of the weird elites watching the fight, you don't know what the fuck's going on, it's going to be great if Justin pulls it off. Yeah, if Justin pulls it off, it would be one of the greatest upsets of all time, one of the greatest victories of all time. And if he does just retire, Tuporia plans to celebrate

before the gate he clash at the White House. Of course he's going to celebrate. Whatever he's doing. That's his move. Whatever he does. Massive celebration dinner the night before his lightweight bell. We're going to celebrate before the fight. Actually, we have everything organized.

My team has already taken care of that. That's wild. Mind fucking a half when you're in your hotel room. you know and you're just fucking scrolling on Instagram thinking about 24 hours from now you're going to be fighting and you're like what's this asshole doing? Oh he's fucking standing on top of a table dancing.

That's how sure he is he's going to beat the fuck out of you. He's eating spaghetti and fucking doing a salsa dance. Like what the fuck are you talking about man? Did you say when all the fighters are at the White House? Trump's like, I thought you liked this guy. You're like, oh fuck. Because why would you give your friend his toughest test? Yeah.

Yeah, well for Gachie that's the last fight I mean if this is really going to be his last fight that is the last fight And it's smart it's smart because that that that patty fight is you know Entertaining fight for the casuals as far as technical wise it was so sloppy man It was just so sloppy well Justin told me that that's what he wanted to do Which he should do he just wanted to just go fuck you and just come at him and just throw caution to the win and just almost fight like he did like back in the PFL day World Series of fighting days. That's what it was.

Yes. Yeah, that's right. That's exactly what we should be doing. And that's exactly what you should have done. And for Patty, it was a sloppy fight, but he got the job done. But you can tell, like, and it's all good. This isn't a knock on Justin. All the years, all the wars, one of the greatest careers we've ever seen.

It catches up with you. 100%. It has to. And now here's Ilya to pour you. But again, I bet Justin wouldn't have it any other way. You have an opportunity to pull off one of the biggest, if not the biggest upset. that we've ever seen at the fucking White House. Justin has an awesome series,

The Art of Violence, I think it's called. It's on YouTube, and it's all talking about him preparing. It's all videos of him training, and Trevor Whitman's in it. And Trevor was saying, we love being the underdog. We love it. And he talked about being the underdog with Rose Nama Yunus when she beat Yuan and Yo-Jech. Sure.

When she beat Yong Wei Lee. Same thing. Like, they love being the underdog in those situations. Like stopping Wei Lee was not. nuts. Crazy. You know, that she was the underdog head kicks her. Yep.

Crazy. And that. This is a little different, but I hear you. It is different. It's different. It's different. But it is, it's similar in ways. The Zhang Wei is.

Because Jean-Lieui is fucking everybody. Scary. There's no one like her. The physicality of her at straw weight. She was a fucking monster. Like her training was bananas. Crazy. I'd watch her training.

I'd go, good Lord. Who's going to beat her? She's like. Her shoulders and shit. But the way she trained, she trains like, a dude. Like an angry dude. You know what I mean? Like women... It's a haircut to show.

And it's not a knock on the way women train. I'm not saying that. I'm saying like the ferocity was like she's filled with testosterone. Like she's trying to kill somebody. She probably is, Joe. She might be. It might be natural.

It might have slipped something into her noodles. Do you see that one fighter who got busted? And she goes, oh man. I took my husband's vitamins to just have B steroids. Yeah, my husband. She threw her husband under the bus for taking steroids. He fucked up.

Is he an active fighter? I don't think so. No, he's probably just on meathead. He's like, yeah, I guess this works. Yeah, me too. Because if he's an active fighter, he'd be like, what the fuck? Now we're both fucked. Yeah.

Say somebody gave you the wrong thing. Yeah. But back to Whaley and Rose, the difference with that is Rose was still pretty interprime there. Yes, 100%. That's a good point. That's a good point. Real good point. Justin's not in his prime, but damn, he didn't look like he lost a step in the Patty Pimblit fight.

He looked like he just was just being an animal. And Pimblit's fucking good, man. You see what Pimbleet did to Bobby Green? And granted, Bobby Green's not quite at the same level, although he looked fucking sensational. He looked good. Against Jeremy Stevens. He just keeps doing the damn thing. But also that style is so fun.

Talking shit, pointing at you. He's fun, man. So fun. He's one of my face. So fun. How about at the end of the fight, when I'm interviewing him, he's like, come walk with me. And he takes me over to Dan. He's, you, Dana.

Yeah, he wants that bonus. They've never given bonus. He was just talking about it. He's one of the most exciting fighters that's ever done it. He's awesome. I'm like, everybody knows that. He's like, why didn't get my fucking bonus? Yeah.

But I'm kind of with Dana on the bonus. Dana goes, well, we do it also your strength of your opponent. Zell Hoover was good, dude. He beat Zell Hoover in his last fight and stopped him. That was, that was. He should have got a bar. Should have got for that one. That's what he was talking about.

Well, but for this last fight, right. For his last fight, you know, he fought Jeremy Stevens. Great fight, great fighter. But, you know, compared to, like, the other guys on the card. Yeah. That's why Dan is like, well, strength of the opponent too. No, but he was complaining about not getting a bonus in his last fight.

That's why he wanted a bonus in this fight. He was saying the, because I even asked him, I go, you didn't get a bonus for a Zelluber fight? He got 25K, right? Didn't they changed the rules? If you get a finish, no matter what, you get, but he wanted the big boy bonus. The big boy bonus. Yeah, I hate, I hate all of it. I hate people that have to ask for bonuses.

It's awkward. Look, the money is there, right? We know the money's there. Like, this is a $7 billion deal. I'm not a businessman. I'll say that right now. If I was running the UFC, the stockholders, they would fucking kick me out. The shareholders would have me fired.

I wouldn't, you don't want me. I run that bitch like affliction. Yeah, you don't want that. You don't want me running, no, the UFC, because I treated like I was a communist. Yeah, me too. I'm also a little more careful the way I talk about, too, because I don't know their books. I don't know how to run a giant company like that. I assume with $7.7 billion, I'm like, man, I feel like we could give some over here.

But then if you talk to somebody in the other, like, oh, do you? Well, look at this, motherfucker. I'm like, oh, my bat. Okay. Now, this is not a knock on ARIA, but it was reported that he made $67 million last year. They worked very hard. I'm sure he did. But that was from the UFC, from TKO, right?

That was his payout. And he's got a bunch of other things going on. He's a very successful guy. But is he the reason they sold for $7.7.7 billion dollars? He's a big part. Probably a big part. 100%. And also, he took the big chance in purchasing it for $2 billion, which was a big deal.

The whole thing is like, this is why you're in business. I think fighting is different than any other business. And the reason why I say this, and you could speak to this more than anybody, you are putting your health on the line in a way that is not required. in any other business other than maybe football and boxing and kickboxing. You're putting your health on the line in a way that's different than any other business. You are the only thing that people are tuning in for. Without the fighters, there is no UFC. It doesn't exist.

It is the entire product. The thing you're selling is entirely fighters. And it's fighters that operate for a short window of their prime. they have 10 years or whatever they have and when they get out you know we've all talked about guys that are mumbling now you can't understand what the fuck they say you see like ticks that they have

and guys who have neurological problems memory problems it's real so I don't think we should think of it like any other business because the entire business model is these guys' bodies and the consequence is their health and it's for the rest of their life

And so if you're doing something that is generating a significant amount of money for a very short amount of time, I think you should get a lot of money for that if you're one of those people. The amount of money that is left over for the other people, the people that are making the money that put the money in, they should still get a lot of money, which is why they did it in the first place. But I don't think the balance is correct. Now, I am biased, right? Because, again, I'm not a businessman. but I have a deep empathy for people who put themselves in front of harm and try to chase that glory for our entertainment for the sport that we love.

And I think they should be compensated more. Yeah, I don't think you're, I mean, obviously we're biased because we love fighters and I was a fire. It's not even about being biased. It's just fairness. It's fairness. It's fairness in the marketplace. Well, the thing is, it's such a dicey thing. I know people hate when I bring up fighter talk, and I get sick of it, too, because I don't know what you can really do.

It's simple. Well, I go, is it, though, because here's a thing. People will go, okay, they made $7.7 billion. Here's their overhead. We don't know what's going on. But it's like if the UFC is the only, the only sports, or combat sports promotion to ever. make money ever. Right. Nobody else has ever done it better or made profit.

So my thing is like, is this, is this what it, is this just what it is? And I know some people are like, you're such an idiot. They have this leftover money. I hear you. But what I'm saying is there's PFL, Bellator, Affliction, World Series. We can go through the list. One championship. None of them are around somewhere on their last leg.

No one's ever been able to sustain it. And I'm not saying we don't deserve more fucking money. All I'm saying is, is this just how it goes in the fight business? I don't know. I'm not a businessman. I know people are yelling right now. You're fucking it. I'm just saying, is fighting different where, hey, man, that's just, it's not the NFL.

It's not the NBA. It's not MLB. In order for us to continue this rise, this is what it is. It's 18% of the fighters. I don't know, Joe. Okay. That's what I'm saying. I don't know.

points. First of all, let's just give the UFC its flowers because without, I love the kids say that these days. Give it flowers. Yeah. Good saying. Have your daughter started using buns yet? Oh yeah, they use that. Yeah, I just found my my, my son's bad. Bonds is bad. Yeah, I didn't know. I got a new truck. My son's like, I think is buns. I'm like, is that good. Yeah, I know, but buns are always like cute buns. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we're young Jamie. But what were you saying? The UFC is the greatest organization in combat sports. history period. There's nothing even close. The product is so much better than any boxing promotion and my friends that I've brought to the UFC that are boxing fans like my friend Josh Dubin, he was like the fucking productions incredible. He goes it's so much more exciting than any boxing event. It's so much better. That is 100% true. They've also been a consolidated organization forever, right? I mean it was a different owner. It was Bob Meyerowitz back in the day in 97 when I worked for them, but from 2021 on, so for the last

25 fucking years, it's been Zufa, right? They sold Zufa, now Zufa sold to Ari Emanuel, TKO, and but the same people are running it, right? It's still Dana White. It's still all these people behind the scenes. That's another conversation with you. Yeah, it's still Anik, it's still me and D.C. and Michael Bisping and all the other people that are doing commentary and, you know,

Dominic Cruz and Paul Felham. and Larsenko, it's still, the team's the same. The team behind the scenes is the same. It's so polished. There's never a problem. When I show up at the UFC, everything's so smooth. You go in and say hi to everybody. I show my badge to the fucking security people.

I say hi. We sit down. Everything is smooth. We got a hit in five minutes. Okay, great. Everybody's there. The sound guy's on point. The camera.

Everything is on point. It's so easy. And it's like the production. in the truck is so fucking good. They always have the right angle. Giordano's always on the case when it comes to like getting the right angle for a submission or getting the right angle for...

If I ask for something, I got it right away. Like I'll push the button. You know, let me hear his corner. Yeah. It's boom, they're right on it. It's, they're the best. They're the best. And you notice that when you see other promotions.

It's like other promotions, the camera works on is good. It's like, things are as good. It's, the machine is so good. and it's become like the NFL. Like, I know the XFL exists. I've never even fucking heard of a game. I've never even heard of a game.

Name one player. No one's even brought up a game that's going to happen. Never. I know it's a thing. Never. And the problem with casuals, that's the same with the PFL. Even though the PFL's fucking got really good fighters. There's really good fighters in the PFL.

Far cry from the UFC, but yeah. Some of them are really good, man. That cat that just knocked out Hen and Farrar, the guy who's the heavyweight that is Fador's protege. Oh, yeah, yeah. the Russian cat. He's good. Bro. He's good.

And the UFC's fucking shallow-ass heavyweight division, we could use that cat. We could use them. I'd like to show up but that dude's hotel room with a fucking briefcase for all money.

Let's go, dog. Yeah, my thing with the UFC and when you talk about the staff and you got to give them their flowers, they're the only one that's figured it out. They're the best. By the best organization, by far. And they deserve to be rich because of that.

They've made an incredible product. So do the fighters, though. I think your product is, entirely dependent on the fighters. Now this is my position with my comedy club. So my comedy club pays different than every comedy club. The fighters, the comedians make most of the money when it comes to the door. That's how it should be. But let me ask you this Joe and if it's too much, we're like, dude, get the fuck at it. But is your, is the mothership compared to the comedy store, the improv, are you guys crushing

them? It's doing really well. I mean, the comedy store is always going to be one of the great clubs on earth. It's a legendary club. It's dependent upon who's there. The difference between the way the comedy store does it and the way we do it is that we bring in national headliners for the weekend. Like the weekend, it might be Dave Attell. This week is Tony

Rock. Is there another club that does that? Because the company store is a little different because you have your regulars. Is there another club that does that? Sure. Most clubs do that for the weekends but the thing is they don't have the same lineup for the weekdays. The weekdays we've got Shane Gillis, Ron White, Tony Hinchcliff kill Tony's there every

Monday, it's a different setup. That's what I'm saying. Is there anybody doing that? Because the comics have to be... But my whole point is, however you run your business, it's like, is the model where you're doing it, where the comics are making the majority of the money, is that a sustainable business? 100%.

It makes money. If we take Joe Rogan out of it and some dude wants to start a club and did the same thing, is that going to be profitable? No. You have to have the talent, but that's the difference. It's like the thing with the PFL versus the UFC. You have to have the talent, right? And the reason why our club works is because everything, look, it's pure luck.

It's pure luck. Everything had to line up. We had to hit every green light. It had to, COVID had to happen. The comedy store had to get shut down. All the employees from the comedy store had to get fired. We had to not be able to do stand-up in L.A. I had to be worried about my family and, like, the crime and the riots.

And then the COVID shit, where everyone was wearing a mask, I was like, this is banana. and then moving to Texas or just visiting Texas. But you got to give yourself credit. Like luck, yes, but you were also the guy that had the idea to do it. Most people wouldn't pull that trigger. You didn't have to do that. That is true. But it's all a lot of luck because it had to happen at the right time.

It had to happen at a time in my career where I had a lot of money. You know, so it had to happen when the Spotify deal took place, so I had all this money. Yeah. And then it all had a lineup where I was already the number one podcast in the world so I could easily get people to come. Because of you, Joe. I understand, but it had the line. And you're humble?

No, no, no. It's just being honest. Like, it had to line up. So I couldn't have done it on my own. I had to come here and Ron White was already here. So Ron White's a big reason, one of the clubs. I mean, he was one of the main reasons why I moved here. No, I know.

Because it was like, even if I'd ever do comedy again, and I was really wondering if we're ever going to do comedy again, Ron's here. I'll hang out with Ron. We'll have laughs. Yeah. So when I moved here and then all sudden Tony moved here, and then Tom Segura moved here,

and Brian Simpson moved here and Asan moved here and Derek Post had moved here and it was like, oh shit, we got something cooking and then Tim Dillon came here and then it was like oh my God and then Duncan Trussell moved here I was like, holy shit So they're moving because you're here I understand but they had to do it before the mothership even

opened. They all moved before the mothership opened. Shane moved after the mothership opened but they all came in early and trusted me and so I was like okay these guys, I owe them, they took a chance with their future. I have to throw everything into this

and all together, we'll do it. So it's our club. It's really our club. But it had to happen in a way where I had this disposable money. I had disposable income where I could do it and it wouldn't hurt me. And then I could set it up in a way where the comics make so much money.

So that way you encourage people to stay. So there's so many people that are there all week long during the week. They don't have to go do shows other places. They can make money at their home club? You're doing it right, but I guess my example, like, can the UFC do that? Because my example for you, it's like, can these other comic clubs do that and sustain and grow and have money? They could in New York, and they might be able to do it in L.A.

So I don't think you could do it in L.A. right now because the store is open. And the store is always going to be the premier club in the world. It's always legendary. So it's on Sunset Strip. Even though L.A. is falling apart. it's still the legendary destination for stand-up comedy. It's one of the main reasons why I was excited to move to L.A. It was when I was a beginner, an open micer in 1988,

they would talk about the store like it was MECA, like you had to go to the store. They still do, though. I don't think that's ever going away. Of course. It's, you know, the store comes and goes in cycles. Like, it always does. It always goes in cycles depending on who's in town, who's there.

It's a very, it's all comedy clubs are dependent upon what talent is in town during the weekdays. And if you don't bring in talent on the week ends, that's the difference. So the store doesn't bring in headliners for the weekend like the way our club does. I told Scott, Scott Shore, I was like, I think, no, no, it was Peter. I'm sorry. I told Peter Shore, I was like, I think you guys should do that. I think you should like bring in.

But do they have to, though? Because you can still go on a Saturday night and you'll see, you know, big names, big names. But you could have those people there still as well. Like they could also do shows with. with that person and you have two other rooms. And that's what you guys are. You have the O-R and you have the belly room. You have three rooms in one location.

Like you could still have the O-R filled with top talent because they don't give a fuck where they're performing in the big stage of the little stage. In fact, most of us prefer the little stage. The O-R is an amazing room. But the thing is it's like you have to have enough talent in town and a lot of people moved out of L.A. A lot of people moved out of L.A. A lot of people moved out of L.A., like a lot of people moved out of it. Theo moved out. A lot of people moved out. So the problem is you would have to

have enough talent there and then you'd have to have talent that was there all the time like us. Like we're at the club all the time. I think and going back to if the UFC could do this, like they're profiting so much now. There's no reason to. That's the other issue. This is the problem. Do you want hear my idea though? This is rational. You want to hear my idea? Yeah. And you might be like you're out of your fucking mind. Okay. And again, I'm not anti,

you, nothing. You cut my fucking wrist right now. Bob O'Reilly spills out. I fucking bleed the UFC.

It made my entire career. Yeah. When that Paramount deal was announced, and I'm a wild boy, when that Paramount deal was announced, what I would have done

is, and this is the issue why things will never change. I would have talked to all the managers, all the fighters, and said, we're not fighting another fight.

They just signed a huge deal, 7.7 million. If you guys want to get your equal share, nobody's agreeing to a fight bout, to a fight card, unless we get, I don't know, someone's going to figure out 30%. So it's 18% right now. If we go up 30%, which they're still going to have profit, if they agree to that, then we'll fight. But there's no deal if we don't fight. Those days are over now, so you miss the mark. Now, you're going to say, yeah, but they can get other guys to do that. And I'm saying across the board, we all agree

as fighters, we're not going to fucking move an inch. If you can get fighters to agree to that, it would work. That's the problem. It'll never happen. Not in a million years. That was my idea. Then here's the other thought that Dana White has this thought about fighters that

when they get paid too much and they get rich, their careers end earlier. But, that's the other... Armand Sarukian... And he's right. Yeah. And he's right. Well, there's Armin who's Bruce Wayne, but for the most part, he's right. Go through anybody's career. Kind of right. He's kind of right, but it doesn't matter.

That's on them. Yeah, agree. That's on them. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. I mean, he's right, but you can't protect them for it unless you have a bonus that you're going to pay them out when they retire. And they're not going to do that. But the other thing, I think Sean Shelby said this.

It might have been McManyard. One of them was like the other shoe we have is when guys get paid a lot and then we offer them fights. We're not getting the fights we want to make. Once they have that goose egg, they're like, I'm not fighting that fucking guy. He gets a nightmare. I know. But again, you can't base it off of that because I'm sure there's some guys who well do it. Yeah.

And you fuck with them. But it's not a reason not to pay him. Listen, it's all this is hippie talk. But I feel like if I would, if I was, if I owned the UFC, I would not feel good if people didn't feel compensated correctly. This is just my feeling. And I'm not a good businessman. If you want to be a good businessman, you've got to make the most money possible. I don't know, Joe.

You've done pretty fucking well, Bubba. A lot of luck. You got to quit saying luck. You're driving me nuts. No, but it is. It's a lot of... You work harder than anybody else. Well, I work hard when I...

Listen, I stick with things and I have a good work ethic. That is true. That's half the battle, Bubba. Yeah, yeah. But I'm not like a businessman in the sense of like if I was running a business like that, I wouldn't treat it the same way. I wouldn't say I'm trying to make the most money possible. I would say, I got money.

and let's just make this motherfucker the greatest thing of all time and make everybody feel good about it. Yeah, but again, I don't know the in and outs. I don't know if you can run an organization like that and be profitable. I don't know. Well, it would be profitable, but it wouldn't be as profitable. And that's the thing when you have shareholders. So when you have shareholders, you have an obligation to your shareholders to maximize your profits. And this is the only knock on the UCI have is in order to get that $7.7 billion deal, you have to put on whatever it is.

45 fight cards a year. Right. So like those fight nights. So now you don't really have the talent or the stars to fulfill those cards. But because you made this deal with Paramount, now you're getting just, you know, you're signed these contenders series kids who have three fights, four fights where 10 years ago, those boys ain't sniffing the UFC. It was so hard to get in.

But now because we have to fulfill those cards, you're getting a lower level of talent. Yeah. Well, here's just interesting. So one of the players in the... the purchasing of the UFC, of the rights of the UFC, was Netflix. They were one of the players. Interesting. They were one of the people that were thinking about doing it.

So there was negotiations with them. There's negotiations with ESPN. And ultimately Paramount was like this wild, dark horse that came around with the big money. And I like Paramount. I have no issues. Yeah. The ads are weird, but whatever. I love Mobland.

I love Landman. Oh, Land Man. Yeah. Mobland is fucking great. Every watch that? Fuck, yeah. Does this Audi? Is R6 and that?

This is a dope, right? Makes you want it so bad. Me too. I never wanted a wagon until I saw Tom Hardy drive that. They're fucking sick. They're so sick. It's a great show. But Paramount has awesome shows.

So it makes sense. I already had it. Great. Perfect. I love the fact there's no pay-per-view. But what's interesting about Netflix not doing it. Because I think Netflix didn't want the, I might be talking about a school, but I'll just say it. I believe what I heard, here's the caveat, is that Netflix did not want the

small fights. They did not want fight nights. Good for them. They only wanted a big one. They're like, that shit. Well, some of the fight nights

are fucking awesome. We like them because we're degenerate. Right. The public's like, who the fuck are these guys? The apex is no one there. Yeah.

I love that. I love that. I love that Netflix. I love the apex fights. I love it all. I've been planning on going to an apex fight card. I'm trying to find the right one

just to go and watch. I'll go with you. Let's fucking go. I would love that. I just want to go to watch because they'll let you in if you come with me. Yeah. I love it.

I feel like I don't have any enemies there anymore. I kind of stood by the fact they didn't want the volume. That's it. That's how I said, which we understood from the get-go. Ted Sarandoes, who I love. Bella Bajaria, I don't know her. We're very upfront with that. We're looking for big events.

So the fact that you could give us one pay-per-view, which is just, we were just going to put on the platform for free, as long as you're a subscriber, as long as you just give us that, we're in. and we'll pay premium for it, but we don't want to carry the other 30 fight nights. They say we don't want the bullshit.

Yeah. But then where would those 30 fight nights go? That's the question. But then that fulfills PFL, Bellator, or you... Fight pass. Yeah, fight pass. You could do that.

Fight pass. But to, again, the business side of it, the Zufa or TKO's going, well, hold on. The reason we get such a big nut, 7.7 billion, because we offer so much content. Right.

You guys are trying to do what our game plan was 15 years ago, which are just one big fight every once a month, which for the fans is fucking awesome. It makes sense for Zufa, and it makes sense for Netflix. I get it. And all of it makes sense. It just wasn't a fit. But what I was getting at is now it's interesting because Netflix has got a lot of money.

Netflix throws some money around, right? And Netflix has a tremendous amount of subscribers. and now Netflix is in the MMA game. I'm glad you brought that out. So, this is where it gets... Keep going. Us, dorks like you and me? Keep going.

No, no one in the real world is talking about it to me, but that's okay. The point is they're going to do it, and just because it's on Netflix, I guarantee you millions of people will watch it. I bet they'll have a hard time selling live tickets. Let's see if it's sold out. It's definitely not, and the tickets are $88.

But this is where it gets... It's tricky because the more places fighters have to go, the better. Because UFC has no competition. It's a monopoly. All good, which NFL is, NBA is. I have no issues with that. So if fighters, big-name fighters have a place to go and can get paid, I'm all for it. The issue of this Netflix and getting MMA, it's like, my thing would be, well, what's the plan here?

So Rhonda and Gina fight this weekend. You get two four-year-olds fight in the main event. It's going to get good numbers. But again, and you know this, you've been in business with Netflix. They're not going to give you the real numbers, right? When you negotiate, they don't give you the real numbers. No, they don't tell you. They don't tell you.

They don't tell you. They don't tell you. But then all of a sudden, Jake Paul did 400 million people. I'm like, really? Did he? So they're going to say... Well, Jake Paul can say that, right? Did Netflix say that?

Netflix said 400 million people watch it? Some bullshit like that. How many people have Netflix? I don't think they have that many. I made up a crazy number, but it's a ton of people. That last article said that they have over 300 million subscribers. So 100 million people were... So say 100 million.

Yeah, yeah. So say 100. But so, and right now, you know, and I get Ronas being a promoter. She learned from Dana. She's like, we're going to destroy the White House. I disagree. I don't think it does. But Netflix will tell you they did.

Well, here's the thing. Even if it gets really good numbers. Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua, 33 million viewers on Netflix. That's really good. That's really good. I don't know what the Sean Strickland, Hamzach Chmaya of numbers were.

They might not have been 33 million. Maybe they were. I don't know. The thing about it being Paramount, Paramount does not have the number of subscribers that Netflix has. How many subscribers, I'm guessing. I might be wrong. I think they have like 60 million, right? How many subscribers does Paramount Plus have?

But this is what you're not taking consideration. Paramount and the UFC, it's only in America. So in Canada and other, like Paramount in Europe, there's not a thing. Right. So what are those views now? Right. You know, like, when we're adding all this up. Can they get Paramount in other countries?

I don't think the Paramount's in Europe and shit like that. They're watching on like Sky Sports, I think, out there. They have a different deal. Oh, interesting. And then Australia, I think still has pay-per-view. Interesting. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right.

Okay, 79 million subscribers. So that's a big difference between, it says globally. Yeah, half of them are in the U.S. 35 million are in the U.S. Are there any countries where Paramount is not in? Let's put that into it. Yeah, but I still think that that UFC deal was just for the U.S. Yeah, it's just for U.S.

Just for U.S. Yeah, because U.K.S. Sky Sports. So that means there's only 35 million people that it's reaching, period. So they'll never get to the Jake Paul number. The Jake Paul number of the Anthony Joshua fight. If that's an accurate number, 33 million, they're never going to get to that. But remember, the White House is also on CBS. That's different.

How many people are CBS? How many people are watching regular TV? That's why? Maybe they might 30 more viewers. Oh, my dad's crunk. My dad's crunk. That's just on Channel 4 in Denver, Colorado. You know?

You're your rabbit ears. Pick it up. They still have regular TV, man. Regular TV is crazy. Crazy. Like, some people have to fucking move the antenna. The signals coming in bad. Crazy.

There's people out there with regular TV. Yeah. That's wild. Where they only have the four channels. That's crazy. And they're just getting their news from like, you know. Robots. Fox and fucking.

They don't even get Fox. Fox is cable. That's right. Yeah. Regular TV, you ain't getting jack shit. They can swear on Fox. Can they? I believe so.

Because if it's not cable, I think you're allowed to swear. Oh, wow. I think so. Yeah, but I don't think Fox is. Well, there's a broadcast version of Fox, though. Right, but is it regulated? If it's broadcast, it is. That's the whole.

But Fox still is cable. But broadcast and cable. So what do you mean by there's a broadcast version? So there's a version. It all has to do with over the air. So it's what available through the air. Right. That's what the FCC is.

So the broadcast version, meaning that you could just get it with a regular antenna? Yeah, there's like a local Foxx. Oh, okay. Okay, you're right. You're right. You're right. It came way later. That's right.

I'm so old. I remember when Fox was just cable. Channel 31. I remember we wanted it for the Simpsons and married with children. Yeah. Simpsons too. Maybe it was broadcast back then. Maybe I'm wrong.

I think I am. It's just hard to get. It wasn't the strongest of signals, in most places. Okay, but it was always broadcast. Okay. My have fucking times changed now because there's like you talk about mob land. There's so many dope shows. There's so

many good shows out there. But it's like hot for like a week. And then something else comes. There's too many things. There's too much. Like I don't like there'd never be like Game of Thrones or Sopranos where it's like the entire world shuts down. We all just kind of binge it when we want. True. And there's a new show here.

It's not good man. True. That's fact. That's fact. Try selling a show right now. Like that, I was talking about that my gearheads gone wild on Tooby. Tube has fucking, I think, 300 million subscribers. They're big. But trying to sell a show,

300 million subscribers on Tubi? Tube's fucking massive. I didn't know either. I didn't know either. When I first got the offer, I'm like, where? But again, trying to sell a show is fucking tough. A car show?

Tough, dude. I didn't know Tube had that many subscribers. Look that up to make sure. I've been so exact. They surpassed 100 million monthly active users. How many subscribers do they have? In total.

I know the numbers are alarming. Is it a subscriber thing or is it like a YouTube thing? We could just like view it. I would imagine it's tiered. It says a free ad supported streaming service rather than subscription based model. It's free but they have subscribed and then you can get the non-ad paid where you pay, I think. Oh, okay. So you can just get it for free.

Yeah, like YouTube. YouTube Red and regular YouTube. YouTube is probably the biggest. Well, like, they probably have the most active viewers worldwide. Not even close, right? Yeah. But then remember they tried doing, like, shows, and it just ate shit? Like, YouTube Red. Remember YouTube Red?

Oh, yeah. They're, like, making offers. I remember YouTube Red. That thing is crazy. It's interesting because just a regular show on YouTube can do really well, like Mr. Beast. Yeah. But I think YouTube Red was, like, kind of a little before that, right? And they're like, put your shows on here and like, what the fuck?

They jumped the gun. Yeah, they jumped the gun. Mr. Beast was like, or I'll just put my shit out and everybody in the world will watch it. The thing about if you put your shit on YouTube, there's literally an infinite number of options and channels. That's the thing. And it's completely dependent on what you see, like the recommended for you. It's completely what you're interested in. Everything's niche now.

It's like there's people out there. We don't even know. And like, my kids are like, dad, he has 60 million subscribers. I'm like, what the fuck? I've never heard of this fucking guy. I know. You know how much money he's like it? Yeah.

It's all niche. Uh-huh. There's that, but then there's also astro-turfing. There's a lot of these. Astro-turfing is when you have fake downloads, fake views. You have like companies that you can hire and they will get you views. But here's the thing. That's going to fuck you.

It'll fuck you. But the point is people still do it. And they do it because you can do it right now. Right. And so what that means is like say if you have like millions and millions of subscribers and then you look at the views the views are hundreds of thousands of views then you look at the comments like five and five comments. Six comments. Like what the fuck is going on here? But it's a weird thing to do because in order to make money YouTube sees the back end. So if you're trying to make money off your show. Right. You're not going to make money. But it'll get bigger because of the number. So here's the thing. So if you go to like Brendan Chob. If you did that, if you have Brendan Shob's YouTube channel, and I looked at it, I'm like, damn, he's got 25 million subscribers. I should fucking subscribe. People do that. They'll click on it.

And they'll click on your views or your videos more often. Because they think they're like missing out. Like, clearly, of course. Of course. It definitely, I'm not saying that's responsible for all the views that you'll get because of that, but it has an impact on how people see you. You look more legitimate. And if you're trying to develop sponsor deals or some sort of a brand endorsement deal, you Like, well, I've got 20 million subscribers on YouTube.

Like, oh, this guy's big. That's true. Yeah, it definitely does. But then they're like, but there's three comments. Well, there was scammers that were doing weird stuff in the early days of podcasts where they would rig things to exaggerate downloads. Back in the early days of audio only. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

And then someone came and regulated it. Exactly. But it's not like we were all in on it. No, no. Like it was someone who was running, because we're all kind of using the same audio thing. And I remember telling Brian, I'm like, do we have 30 million fucking audio? 30 mil dude this month. And then Tom's like, yeah, I got 60.

I'm like, dude, we're crushing it. And then someone came in. It was like, actually. Yeah. What it was doing was like every time someone clicked on it, it would count so that like I'm talking completely. If they started and stopped it, right? It counted. It counted over and over again as multiple listens.

That's right. And I think they do that with other things too. Like, so you have to figure out like who the actual number of people. but people have been accused of making, like, you can pay to get Instagram accounts. You can get followers. There's companies that will get you followers. I don't know if it's legit or legal, but I know for a fact that some people have done that. But doesn't Instagram in the background?

Doesn't YouTube, don't they try to shut that shit down? They just deleted millions of bots over the weekend. 100%. And I notice it sometimes. I'll notice it while I'll lose like 100,000. Yeah, I lost 100,000. Yeah. But there are bots, 100%.

And there's a ton of them and they catch some of them. But some of them are more sophisticated in their approach. And then they adjust. So once they realize what gets them caught, you could run an AI program. Yeah. So if you run an AI program and you have a, like if you're in fucking Singapore or wherever you're at doing this, you could run an AI program that controls a bunch of different cell phones that has a bunch of different accounts and you can have them even commenting

on things. And you'll notice this sometimes. And they'll be programmed to comment positive or negative. and it seems like a fucking person, man. Wow. But you'll see that there's like a bunch of numbers after a couple of letters or a name like Bob 5, 6, 7, 254. And then you see like, God, I don't think Bob's a person. And then you go to Bob's account and there's almost no chance that Bob's a person.

But meanwhile, Bob's posting all the time and making comments on things all the time. And most likely what this is is it's paid engagement. So it's not just paid views, but because of evidence. But because of AI and because of programs you could run, there's the potential for paid engagement. Dialogue back and first. Me and Schabert talking about before you got here. I don't know that you're aware of this, Joe. The streamers paying for the next level of what you're describing.

So it's not AI doing it. Have heard of clippers? Yes. They're paying for, there's thousands of people that are just sitting around at home making a shitload of money. A ton of money. And they're posting. Because you'll think certain people are bigger than they are. Like, man, I see them everywhere.

It's like, that's all by design. And you can pay for that too. So that's probably legal, right? No? I mean, why would it, should it be? Right. I mean, it all depends on what are you doing. Are you getting money from it?

Are you getting advertising revenue from it? To your point, it's a false sense of fame. Because to your point with Arm, it's like, yeah, we know him and he's getting views online, but does that equal actual fans? I think it reinforces. the fans that already love them. Yes. And a few people are going to hop on board.

But as far as like your general casual that will tune in for a UFC fight card, no. Not necessarily. But it's also a younger demo, right? Like, have you watched a stream? No. You're older than me. No, I never watched the stream. I had to talk with a streaming company the other day.

I'm like, do what? Wait, wait, wait. You want me to seven days a week turn on the camera and hear my, just like breakfast and shit? Like, hanging out with my family? Well, the streaming thing is nuts Where people just live online First of all, how bad is that for your back? And you're just ranting and raving and talking online

All day. Can't be good. But then, like, you know, we love Rampage. Rampage does it, making stupid money. Yeah, but, you know, it's a good move for Rampage. You know, he's not fighting anymore. Yeah. It's a good move.

Makes sense. And he's got the Jackson podcast. That's doing well. It's good for him to diversify, do a bunch of different things. He's crushing other. And he's also got a great personality. He's perfect for it. Perfect for that.

But some people You know It ain't their thing Shouldn't be doing that But streaming is like the biggest thing Yeah Jamie Yeah I get me someone old as fuck But we're old

Yeah also You know it's also It's like What are you doing with your life? Like I got things to do I know I get it in front of the camera For five hours a day

I don't understand how anybody does it But also is it that entertaining Like my life's not fucking lit 24 hours a day They talk a lot of shit on camera And then they watch a bunch of things and react to things. There's a lot of that.

Like, for a lot of them, like, for our channel, there was a lot of people that were making a living just going on Twitch and these other channels, these other streaming things. Streaming my show and commenting on it. Like reaction videos. Yeah, getting mad about things we said. But they were doing it through the,

they were play the whole show out. Oh. Yeah. That's illegal. Well, it was very shady. It was very weird because they were commenting on it. But it was like your entire content, was based on my content and your reaction to my content.

But, you know, it's weird. You know, you're dunking on me or you're pumping me up or whatever you're doing. There was a lot of that going on. And so then there's a lot of people that are watching, whether it's Mr. Beach show and commenting on that or other shows are coming on that. So they're watching stuff online.

Someone will send them a video of a guy getting a street fight, the comment on that. Yeah. It's reaction videos. And they're interacting with all these people that are in the comments. They're making money off of it. And they're talking to these people that are in the comments. It's like, first of all, if you think that social media is bad for your mental health.

Oh, my God. Dude, yesterday I was driving down. I dropped my kids off and I was going somewhere. I was going this car shop. My truck's in the shop. And I was driving my father-in-law's car. And I see a high school bus. Lake Travis High School.

I live right by Lake Travis. I see Lake Travis High School bus pull up. I just look over every single kid. Staring at their phone. Yep. Not talking to each other. No. It bummed me out so fucking bad.

I know it's weird. You know the fun we used to have on that bus? I know. And no one's, no one's talking to each other. I know. The bus is silent. I'm like, God, you guys are doing it wrong. Well, it's not just to do it wrong.

I want to jump on that bus. Hey, listen, I know I'm the old dude. You guys are fucking up right now. Well, you're right, but it is also where human beings are headed. We're headed into this weird world of the digital world. And this is the first steps. These are the first steps we're taking by staring into a phone all But we know it's not good.

Oh, yeah. No, it's not good. So we're just going to continue to go down the shit road? You don't think there's anything we can do? Nope. Nope, people are addicted. They're 100% addicted to their phone. I don't see anything changing.

I think if anything, it's going to get more invasive. And then it's probably, I mean, who knows, just guessing what the next technology is going to be. But as this technology moves forward, it's going to get more invasive. It's going to get more, you're going to interact with more people through whatever the fuck it is. However, they're going to do it, whether it's going to be some new tech that lets you communicate with people with a headset and you're reading each other's minds or whether you're hanging out together in augmented reality or virtual reality. And you don't think anybody's like, ma'am, we're head down a terrible road. No one's going to. They're going to keep doing it.

Is it too much money? No, it's just everyone's addicted and everyone uses it for too many things. It's also a primary source of news and information. I get all my ideas about, like, how the world is working from social media. Not social media commentary, but social media stories. Well, some of the posts, like, this is going on in Iran. This is going on here. I get it off social media.

I get it off of X. But you have to pick and choose in what you pay attention to, right? Yeah, it's dicey. And you've got to find people that are not full of shit and not click engagement. because there's a lot of click a lot of just click bait bullshit majority is yeah there's a lot of that but you also find breaking news and you also find things that you wouldn't know about you know like certain stories and certain things that are happening in the news and certain certain really crazy stories that are like how am i not hearing about this this is this should be fucking huge but you

don't think it's going to be like uh and i know we have to use it you don't think it's to be kind of like cigarettes like in 60s where everyone was doing it and then eventually the parents of those kids, I'm sorry, the children of those parents go, what the fuck, this is so bad for you? If it was a substance, I would agree. But it's addictive. It is addictive, but the problem is, it's all facets of your life. It is your calendar. It is your email.

It is how you take pictures and all your memories. It is how you interact with a lot of people. There's a lot of people, I don't even have their phone numbers. I just, they DM me. And I DM, you know, I have friendships with people that are just DM. So it's, there's that. But

But that's basically the problem is that it's a giant part of the world now where cigarettes never really were. We were relying on it. Yeah, you could, there was a bunch of people who didn't smoke. Even when people smoked cigarettes, like let's look this up. Throw this into perplexity, young Jamie, please. During the height of smoking in the United States, what percentage of adults smoked? Let's guess. God, back in the day, whenever it was the nuttiest, like in the 50s or whatever.

I think it was 50%? That'd be high, right? Crazy high. 30%? I was thinking like 33. But it might be higher. Because those old days, man, everybody had a cigarette in their hand. Johnny Carson Joe.

Everyone. Yeah. People walking on the streets, smoke on planes, smoke on buses, smoke on trains. Everybody was walking on street smoking. But what percentage of those people were doing it? Okay. 40 to 45. Wow.

In the mid-1916. See, the height of cigarette use in the U.S., roughly 40 to 45% of adults smoked, which works out to the order of 80 to 90 million adults. Wow. That's a shit time. That's incredible. That's incredible. American Lung Association's summary notes that adult smoking has fallen to around from around 40 to 43% in 1965 to about 11 to 12% in 2022.

I think it's back. I think people are smoking. Really? I feel like it's lower. I think people are smoking. I see it a lot now. Just outlawed it in San Francisco. Outside.

That's hilarious. That's gay. That's San Francisco. That makes sense. The San Francisco tree. Well, you hear what they're doing in the UK? If you were born before or after a certain date, you can't buy cigarettes when you turn 21. Just to stop people from...

Exactly. So people that were born in like fucking whatever year, whatever year they set it at, when they turn 21, they will not be able to buy Just trying to eliminate cigarettes. But you'll be able to buy cigarettes because you're born at a different time. They say, oh, you're retarded. You don't know any better. That's so stupid. It's there, it's communism.

But didn't they just run out the fucking, were they, the prime minister where the fuck they come? He's still there. I thought they ran them out to bring somebody else in. They probably want to. They want to. Yeah, but the point is it's like that kind of woke socialism. It's like there, it's the government telling you what to do.

When I say communism, I don't mean like they take all your money because they'll definitely do that eventually too. But what they do is they tell you what you can say. Correct. They tell you what you can do. They tell you what medications you have to take. It's all socialized medicine. They tell you what to do and what to say and how to think. And they're going to protect you. Protecting someone from cigarettes while you're selling them alcohol is fucking banana. So dumb. It's bananas. It's dumb. But England's lost their way, man. They've lost their way. Hard. It's a fucking shit show. Well, they're arresting people like crazy for posting on social media about the immigration crisis, primarily, also other things, but criticizing

the government. And now they threw away jury trials for those things. So now it's a judge. And so you don't even get people like you, your peers, to sit there and go, no, this fucking guy shouldn't go to jail. His daughter got attacked by some immigrants and he said some wild shit about immigrants. And no, he shouldn't be in jail for that. But what's the agenda?

Just to ruin, just ruin the fucking- control. So shrink you down to 15-minute cities. They're implementing that in part of the UK. The other thing is a digital credit system, right? So a digital credit school, a social score and some sort of centralized digital currency, which I think we're probably, they're probably going to try to move us all into eventually. But if they can attach your social credit score with this digital currency, then you have what they have in China. So in China, if you fuck up and you do something stupid, Guess what? Fuckface, you can't buy a plane ticket. That's wild. Yeah, you can't get alone. You can't get a house. And it keeps people in line. And then the government can do its job without protests.

Dude, can I piss real quick? Let's piss. I've had two fucking energy drinks. We'll be right back, folks. Ah, and we're back. So much better. I know. It's hard to concentrate when you have to piss.

Bro. You were talking? I was like, oh, man, I've ever been here this moment to piss my pets. What were we talking about? What's talking about your show? So. We have a cigar brother? Yeah.

Dude, last time I smoked it backwards, I got roasted so hard online. I didn't notice, but maybe I just smoke them backwards from now on. Switch it up. It is funny, though. But it's really the same. It's just where the label is. Yeah, man. What are these?

I'm a rebel. Smoke it backwards. You are a rebel. There you go, Phil. Thanks, brother. Here's the clipper. You know how this works. Make sure you clip the right spot.

That one, there you go. Yeah. This cigar is different because it's not a torpedo like the other one. So the other one, you could get more confused because both ends were pointy. Do you know how to do that? Yeah. Do you need help? No, I got a big done.

You know what you don't? No, dude, you know me? Cigars I've smoked? Only in here. Oh, light it. That's right. So your show. So your show is on 2B.

Tubey. Hey, so light this part, yeah. Well, no, but this part. Which part? Yeah, light that part. It's fucking, dude, it's tricky, right? No. No. Just retarded? Light, yeah. Light the part that you didn't cut. What is it called? What's your show called? Gary Head's Gone Wild. Oh, that's right. Just like girls gone wild. Same text and everything.

Is that a problem? No, hell no. That guy's, I think, in fucking, on the lamb in Mexico, I think we're going. Is he really? Is he hiding? Yeah, I think so. Either way we're good. Didn't he get like kidnapped and they fucking... He's some dicey shit.

Yeah, yeah. It turned out pretty sad for him. Yeah, it's a car... I mean, it's shit we would be doing anyways, you know? And then they wanted to make a TV show out of it. So like I went to Calvo, Calvo Vipers. He scared the shit out of me. Calvo Vipers.

I went to the biggest Porsche collection in Austin. I'm obsessed with Safari Porsches, man. Oh, you like that? those? God, I can't get them. I think Russell makes them. Russell, I forget the exact name, but Russell does, I don't know what the fuck it is. When it's an off road, like that, just that vibe, I don't know what it is, dude. I fucking love them, man. Why do you love the off road ones? I don't know. Is there a dirt track where you could take a Porsche offroad car to? Oh, I'm sure. Where? I bet, especially in California, like Johnson Valley and all that shit. Oh, yeah, yeah.

But out here, there's place out here people have been hit me up about. Right, but when you take, when you go off-roading, generally, you're going off-roading with a truck where you can bounce over rocks and shit. You can't really do that in an off-road Porsche. That's like more for those crazy mountain roads that are in the dirt. Yeah, that's a jaccar, right? Russell-built fab. Ooh, that's dope looking. Dude, some dad had one at the baseball game.

That's a 993? Yeah. Oh, wow. So they took a 993 and, and, ooh, that's pretty. It's my favorite thing in the world. I don't know why. Look at the wheel wells. That's crazy.

Wow. Perfect daily driver, too. Don't have to worry out. You know what? I have a fucking problem with those extra front headlights that they stick on the hood. I do not like them. I think it fucks up the lines of the car. Agree.

Because you could put those on that front there. Just take them off. What do you do? We're taking up. I agree. Shut the fuck up, bitch. You ain't really off-road. I mean, you're off-roading, but you're not.

not in the woods. Oh, Joe, don't get twisted. At nighttime. Like all my trucks, I have that RAM, 2,500 A.E.V. That thing's never seen the dirt. Right, but that's different. It just looks like... That's a truck that looks fine with the extra lights on it and shit.

A Porsche? I agree. I think it's like, whenever I see those old 9-11s, like the 1972s and they have those extra headlights on the hood, I'm like, ew. Yeah. What are you doing? You're ruining the lines of one of those beautiful creations. It's like a bad set of fake tits.

You're like, what are you doing? No, it's like extra fake tits. Like you've got two fake tits on your fucking, yeah. You get some fucking collarbone tits. Like, get those out of there. They don't belong there. More is not always better. And the shape of a Porsche, especially those long nose.

Plosha's, oh, it's so beautiful. The best. When you have dumb-ass fucking headlights on the hood, like, get that. It's just not meant to be. Yeah. Get out of here. Yeah, I like different shit. I don't like, I agree with those, those headlights do fuck up the lines.

But like, the other thing I'm really, I'm just in a different. shit like I like when they swap the Ls in the Porsches too. Oh yeah that's dope yeah just the cell that chop yeah I don't know it's shit like that man I like those a lot of people think that's heretics that's like oh my god

you should go to jail for that oh dude I brought a water cooled LS engine in a Porsche this guy's like he's the head guy for Porsche driving and he's driving me around and I go man you ever you ever do one of those LS Porsches and he was like what the fuck do you say and I'm like you don't

Get down those? He's like, fuck. No, I'm like, yeah, those are gay. They're so gay. No, they're awesome. Yeah, I just like different shit, man. Yeah, Rutledge Wood had one of those. He had one of those,

what's the fucking Japanese cat that does the Y bodies? Oh, I know what you're talking about. I saw him. RWB. Yes. Yeah. He had one of those with an LS in it. It was pretty sick.

And there's companies that do that. Yeah. They're sick. And it sounds incredible. It sounds like an American muscle car. But yet it's in a car that's like 2,000 pounds. Dude, and all I do is search Facebook marketplace for RSWP Porsches. God, you can get some good deals because no one really wants them.

Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Because everybody wants the air cooled. Because the air cooled has that raspy br-r-h-h-h-h-h-hound. They are the best. Air-cool is great. It's a wild sound. That air-cooled sound is a wild sound.

As I'm getting older, too, it's like, you know, I've had trucks with $1,400 horsepower. I have cars with 1,100 horsepower. And then if you... You just get an old school Porsche air-cooled with 250 horsepower manual. It's all you need, dude. They're so fun. As you get older, you're like, oh, why am I chasing this fucking horsepower? Yeah, because it's just about driving enjoyment.

It's not about, you're not racing it. No. You know, you're not on a track. Oh, dude, I knew I had issues when I was driving my kid to his fucking baseball game, and my car was running hot, my TRX, the 1400 horsepower was running hot. I converted to twin turbo, a helcat engine. It's like $1,400. It's running on E85 fuel.

There's no E85 out there. I'm in the middle of fucking like dripping springs. I had to pull over on the side of the road because the engine was smoking. I just went, what the fuck am I doing, man? Who am I doing this for? It's not like I'm taking it to the track. Who am I doing this for? Well, a Hennessy has a thousand and you can drive it everywhere.

Yeah, that's by the way to do it. Hennessy TRX or a Hennessy Raptor. I almost bought one of those. And then I got that AV RAM and I linked up with Diesel R. and we're doing a Randy's transmission. I got a freaking stealth bigger turbo on there, fast fuel system. Oh, bro. Let me get my pants off.

Oh, yeah, I don't know if you're into that stuff, but I'm picking it up today. It's finally done, dude. That sounds fun. Oh, dude, I can't fucking wait. That sounds fun. Yeah. So the idea is you just driving around, going to different places, having people do different things with cars, check out what people are doing, different mods they're doing.

And it's like that old school car shows who we grew up on. Like, it'll throw up facts about Porsches and about the car. It's just pop up with that stuff. And that's like our boys, like Gordon Ryan was on there with his TRX. He's like 120,000 miles on it. That's he really? Dude, that thing's so busted up, but he just drives it every day. He off-roads it.

He just, we go on his car. I'm like, dude, I said, no, Gordon, I'm going to tell you the same thing. I tell everybody when I get in the car with him. I know it's for TV. I don't need you show off. Nobody's trying to get hurt. He's like, I got you, man. And was just fucking ripping this thing, dude.

I'm like, I flipped one of these things, man. It ain't fun, bud. It ain't fun. But it's, yeah, just shit we like. Yeah. And it's always like, you want to do a TV show with him. I'm like, yeah, let's ride, man. It's interesting how much that's a male thing.

There are women that are into cars, but I don't know any women. I mean, I'm sure they're out there. But I don't know any women that are into cars to where we're into cars. No. No. Some of them, some of them like cars. They're into it. Some, but like for me, it's like, that is one of the one things about having some money that is worth it.

Like I always tell people, having a nice house is great. It is great. There's definitely nothing wrong with having a nice house. But after a while, it just becomes your house. Yes. And if you're in a humble house that has a nice kitchen and a big TV and a couch and a nice bed to sleep on, you're set. You're kind of sat. Yeah.

Like the difference in the way you feel when you're home versus a nice house is not much different. The difference in driving a nice car is like you are taking a ride to work. You are at Disneyland. Yes. You would wait in line to get in that car. And you're boom, boom, and you're fucking shifting your own gears and boom. Woo! It's fun.

And the shit you have to. I live through you because, you know, obviously we're in different tax brackets. You know, I got to do my thing on Facebook marketplace and shit. I picked up tires the other day. He goes, holy shit. Brendan Shaw bites tires. Facebook marketplace. I go, yeah, dude.

Who doesn't want a fucking deal, man? Put those in the back for me, dude. But, yeah, you got one of those ports. I think you're a gunther Porsche. Yes. And you took a picture and you're like, dude, I'll just sit in my garage and stare at it. I'm like, dude, I've never.

I do. I stare at it sometimes. Sit in the garage and look at it. Oh, it's a fucking piece of art, man. Yeah, all carbon fiber. Yeah, dude, when I see like that type of Porsche, like the Gunther work, or I'll see a certain car, I'm just like, I can't even

described the, it's like, fuck, dude. Mm-hmm. That is so sick. Yeah. Do you see the Gunther Works made a twin turbo slant nose? I sent it to you. Peter Nam sent it to me, too. Bro.

The owner of the company sent it to me. Oh, you know? Yeah. Well, I bought it off them. I bought it off them. Not that, not the slant nose. But I didn't know if you're doing with customer service. No, no, I do with Peter.

He's awesome. But that's it. That car is insane. They race that one against a GT3 RS and it Buried it Buried it G3RS Buried it

Yeah They did Some rolling race Like from 30 miles an hour And literally it just Shot ahead Like the other car was parked 1067 horsepower

It's nothing It weighs nothing What does it weigh Please search What does the The slant nose Gunther works way Because their carbon

Fiber 100% their carbon fiber. 2000 something? Yeah. Yeah, I bet it's about 2,400 pounds. 27. 27, so it's close.

But the engine's probably super heavy. Well, I don't know if it's super heavy, but there's a lot of jazz in there. But what engine is it the... I think it's a... 4-liter twin turbo, flat 6. Yeah, and it's air-cooled, which is so nuts. A thousand horsepower flat... six air cooled engine is crazy.

Brother, and people, everyone, like you talk to anyone, like, I want a thousand horsepower. You think you want a thousand horsepower. Now, it's not like your ZRX, ZR1X. It's not like that. Like, if you buy it or like at my Demon 170, if you get it from the factory. From the factory, you're good. When you have a TRX or your Corvette or, you know, I've had other trucks, my Ford Lighten. If you're reaching a thousand horsepower, buddy, you think you want those problems.

You do not. Right. It's a fucking nightmare. And then also, I was in the shop, calling buddy doing something. I'm like, this is exhausted.

Well, this won't be like that. Like the Gunther works ones are reliable. I've never had a problem. Those are great. But the question is, does that have any traction control? Hopefully not.

Like, Jamie, could you please look up whether or not these new Gunther works portions have traction control? I don't know how they can do that now. I know that there's like a computer thing you could buy. Is Gunther's in California? Where are they at? I believe so.

Yeah. 99% sure they were in California. You should connect me with him because I'd love do an episode with him. A wooden shift knob pays tribute to the Porsche's motorsport carriage. Modern electronics like motorsports grade ABS and traction control. Oh, okay. Well, that's good. It's nice that it has ABS too. That's dope. You're going to need it. You're going to

But see if you can find the race between the GT3RS in the slant nose. Bro, it is hilarious. That's crazy. And the sound it makes is orgasmic. I can't imagine how much that thing is. Wonderful. Oh, it's got to be a million dollars. Yeah.

Here's my problem with Porsche is even 20 years ago. My very first car I bought when I had money, I got it from podcast. My says 15 years ago, I bought just your base 9-11. Went to the Porsche dealer, bought a base 9-11. I could afford it. It was, I don't know, 80 grand. Now Porsche has become, it's almost like, what Ferrari was 10 years ago, where just the base Porsche is so expensive, man.

It's pricing out their markets. So now it's become, and we've been on Porsche for how long? Like, we've always talked about Porsche. Forever. Forever. It's our shit. Watch this. Oh, my God.

It's Top Gear. Oh, it's Top Gear. Yeah. Great. Great channel. Yes. So these guys, they do a rolling start. I guess they did a rolling start because they didn't want to dump the clutch on this million-dollar car.

Way safer to do it that way. Watch this. When they get to 30. Look that interior, dude. Watch this, go. Bro. It's not even fucking close. It's not even close.

It's not even close. That's insane. And the GT3RS is a fast car. Fast motherfucking car. But this was not his car. Obviously, this is, you know, someone else's car that they're letting him test. And so whoever bought that car and spent a million dollars. How much did they cost?

1.2. $1.2 million. Yeah, again, that's my only issue with Porsche now is because if you want a GT3RS, they're so expensive, man. It's like... Well, people flip them. A lot of people flip them because they're really hard to get, too. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just... A lot of demand for them. Yeah, it's tough. Back in the day, even if you're a Porsche, you could start somewhere and you'd be okay, and now it's almost like Ferrari where it's unattainable for a lot of people. Well, you know what a lot of people are doing... $1.6. What's...

$400,000 more. It's $1.6 million. That car is? Yeah. One point six is crazy. Worth every penny. If you got that loot. If you got that loop.

Please buy it. One of the things that people are doing is taking that lighter weight Porsche 9-11 T. You know the T? Yep. And they're taking that and juicing it up to like 700 plus horsepower and, you know, putting some mods on it. Now you're talking my language. Yeah, because you can do that for way less than it would cost you to buy a twin turbo. Yeah.

And you're getting the same kind of speed, but you're also getting rear wheel drive. Yep. And you can get them for pretty, I don't want to say cheap, but cheaper. Cheaper. Like it's so tough, man, to get some of those, like the GT3RS is. You got to be allocated or it's like 150 over markup. Like, it's tough these days in the Porsche business. They're crushing it.

It's good for them. Right. But again, for like my kids, hopefully they're fortunate enough for them making good money. But it's going to be really tough to get into Porsche, man. It's just, it's a different. Porsche has become the marquee car when back in the day it wasn't that. It wasn't. No, you know, it used to be much more affordable.

It was the more affordable supercar and a daily driving supercar. But, you know, the market, and it's also things change, right, because now everything is twin turbo. They're all twin turbo. Yeah. Unless you buy a GT3, they're twin turbo. Yep. Yeah.

You know? I think, too, one of the reasons I went away from Exotic because, I mean, you know, I even modded my GT2RS, like I'm an idiot. But it loses value in it. So. When you mod them. When you mod them. It fucks them up, and I just can't leave anything alone.

So that's why I went so heavy in the American shit, because the C-6s is all the American stuff, you can mod the fuck out of, and there's a market there, you're not losing your ass. And they're cheaper to mod. Like, when I would mod a Ferrari, buddy, exhaust, whatever the fuck, turbos, if you want to do a tune, it's a fucking nightmare, man. Nightmare.

Yeah. Well, it's all, to me, it's all about enjoyment, right? And so, like, what do you, what do you, what are you getting out of it? If you're not like racing it and trying to go around corners sideways and fucking correcting and you're not really doing that

with most cars, you're just enjoying it when you're driving it. And for me, I love the feel of a V8. Like I have one of those Shelby Super Snakes. Yeah. It's a six-speed. Did you get the Super Snake car? It hasn't got it yet.

It's on the way. Wee! I fucking love that car because it's a modern, muscle car. Driving it is like driving an old school muscle car, but it's all modern. And perfect, starts every time, interior's great. And it's just the fun of just driving normal speed. Just normal speed, just driving to work. Not speeding. You feel like you're doing something fun. And do you get that same excitement in your ZR1X? No. No, it's not the same. The ZR1X is on another

planet. It's a spaceship. I mean, it's the most capable car I've ever driven. by far. Like when I took the ZR1 around the racetrack, we drove it around Kota, I was like, this thing is crazy. Crazy. It's so fast, and it handles so well,

and it gives you so much confidence. But it's different when you're not, you're not shifting your own gears. You're not using the clutch. It's all about that. The driving experience is about engagement, and if you're not using a manual, you're missing, you're going to have fun.

Don't let me wrong. You get a Corvette, you're going to have a lot of fun. It's a great car. But shifting your own, you know, they finally started making a gear, a manual transmission for the C8. Really? Yeah. So it's not.

Is the grand sport coming in a manual? I don't think it's going to be offered by Corvette. I don't know if there are in the future, but you can buy one now. So see what the company is that does that. But it's a famous transmission company that's making a C8 manual transmission. And everybody saw that and like, oh. Because that's the only knock I've heard of it. like actual car guys with ZR1X, they go,

fast as fuck, it's great, but it's kind of doing it for you. Like, the drive's different. Like, it's so... It's a spaceship. It's a spaceship. You're Luke Skywalker. Yes.

Does not offer a manual transit. Tremic. Okay, Tremick has developed a six-speed manual that fits a C-8. GM considers it not real for production. What does that mean? But Tremick makes it. But they make it. Yeah.

Are they selling it? Is Tremick not selling it? Or did they make it just for Fonzie's? I have no idea. Because Tremick made the transmission on my super snack. They make the best transmissions. Tremick's new six-speed manual transactional opens a door from manual swap vets and other creations. So you can do it.

This is what I would do. What I would do is get a ZO6 and put a fucking manual in it. Now we're cooking. Let's go. Let's fucking go. Now you have literally the ultimate Corvette. I get that ZO6 and that orange they make. There's no word yet on price timeline or who's going to cook.

hook up the software to tell the Corvette to cooperate with three-pedal transmission. That is the problem because you're going to have to... And the ECU. Yeah. That's a big problem. Yeah. Like the biggest problem I've had is with the ECU, people don't realize, you know, the guys who do all the mods they do. But it's like, I got a 20-24 RAM.

And right away, I'm like, right, what mods am I going to do? I'm talking to Randy's transmission, banks. I'm talking to my boys at DieselR. And they're like, you got a 20-24? I'm like, yeah, what's up? Low Miles, man. Like, I fucked up. I'm like, why?

Like, because 2024 and up, there's no way to unlock that ECU. Like, we have to find an ECU from a 2022 or earlier. And I'm like, okay, those can't be expensive. Oh, they're blood diamonds. Because everybody wants that. You're looking at seven grand for unlocked ECU. Wow. And that's not, that's not at any power.

That's just to get it so you can add the power. Oh, my God. That's crazy. And then Diesel R, they were like, dude, we have. I'm like, no fucking way. Well, how about this new law that they just passed where your car's going to monitor you and then they're going to have a kill switch in your car so to keep people from drinking and driving or if maybe they don't like what Brendan Shaw posted on Twitter and just

fucking shut your car down. I think that's... Even more reason to buy old shit. Yeah, a lot of reason to buy old shit. Put that please into perplexity and ask them when this law is being passed. and what the law entails. Because I've been hearing a lot of different versions of it. I want to know what the exact version of it.

It's going to pass in California first for sure. Well, it's passed nationwide. And Thomas Massey voted against it. And I think Federman might have voted against it, too. I'm not sure. Real federal mandate tied to 2027 model year cars. It's about impaired driving detection. Yeah, but this is how it starts.

The problem is if it has a kill switch. Ask if it has a kill switch. kill switch if that's part of it. I mean, it probably is going to be in here. Right. Okay. Why people call it a kill switch? Because the system may be able to prevent the engine from starting or shut down performance if it decides you're impaired.

So that's a kill switch. So that is great if you're preventing someone from drinking and driving. Correct. That is not great if you are Nick Fuentes and you're in your car and you're, you know. But that's the Trojan horse. Like they get you in with that. It's for safety. That's the thing.

May is a key word in there. Maybe able. Well, the thing about that is, I think they already have that with the Corvette. I think with OnStar, if someone steals your car. Correct. You can shut it down. Right. So.

That's the security. If you have a Corvette and Brendan Chab is running from the law and you're trying to get to Canada. But can't they do that with your Teslas? That's probably. I mean, it's a computer. It's a computer. Of course they probably can do that. I'm really bummed out that Tesla has canceled the Model S

Jamie and I were just talking about it before the show Oh, they could all go away and I wouldn't give too fucks I know it's your boy, but I just don't care Shut your mouth, do your thing, I drive it all the time I love it With all the cars you have I love it's the one thing I'm like I love it

Listen I love V8s Look I drove my Raptor here You know Raptor is badass Woo A fan boy would say that it's just can be replaced by that roadster That they haven't shown yet so Yeah but the roadster's a two-seater

My car is a four-seater four-door car that goes zero to 60 in under two seconds. But why would they get rid of it? I've never had four people in my car. You never what? I've never had four people in my car. January old solo. You haven't, but like so like the other day I had to pick up my daughter because she was

being driven and the car they were driving got a flat and I was on my way home at the exact same time and I picked her up and her friends. That's dope. So I had three friends in the back seat, one in the front. Yeah. I got everybody in my car. no problem. I like having a for door.

I have a family. I know you're a single guy. Like for you, a roadster would be fine. That's just a, just a, you know. Not for you.

It's a small little car anyway. I think the ex is pretty dope too. They also cancel the ex. I know. The ex is dope. Tiffany Haddish one had one and she showed me that they could dance in the parking lot. I was like,

this is crazy. This is crazy. I only do four. I don't have anything to door anymore because of kiddos. I just try to create the most badass dad whip I can. Yeah. It has to have four doors. Well, I mean, I have two-door cars, but I always have to have a sedan.

I like a sedan. Your kids are older, though, too. If I didn't have a Tesla and I have a sedan, what I would get is the Cadillac. The CT-5V-V-B-Black-Wing. Let's go. And you can get a manual. You can get the new one, the F-1, is only in manual. It's the highest horsepower, 685.

I don't know why I couldn't say that word. I get it. I know you do. We both suffer from Marble-Mouth. Brother. 685 horsepower and it's only manual But take my fucking mind I want an automatic

I think so if it's that Yeah manual sounds fun But if you're driving it all the time Especially where you know if you live in LA Yeah Depending on where you live in yeah Jamie that could be you but Like we were just in New Jersey

Bro that's you Jamie I'm not saying it's a bad car I'm just like it's uh I'm gonna drive it 10 miles a day It's an awesome 10 miles Dude the feeling in that car With the torque and the sound of the engine. Can't go anywhere on 35 in traffic. Give me some fucking volume.

Let's be a negative. Yeah, well, Jamie's not really a car guy. Very, very big. Drive it to the golf course, but like, it's once a week. How much better you play? The sound, look at that fucking, all carbon around it. Me here at drive.

Here it drives. There it is. Drive a bitch. Let's go. How do you react to that in Oh, why would they do this to me? Why would you have a video this? and not have bra you want to sell cars or not?

Play it for me, please. Here it is. Just click that, though. That's the black one. Oh, there we go. Oh, my dick just got hard. And we can spice that up, Jamie. You sent it to me for a day, Bubba.

That's fine. The way it comes from the factory is fine. You know, you have to do a damn thing. I know. You can get it really loud, but the thing is just that alone. There we go. Come on, dog.

Yeah. All right, I mean, it's not bad. Yeah. He's in. Yes. Dude, you don't understand. Oh, camped up, baby. I feel, oh, that's a cammed up one.

That one's nuts. That's what you want. Oh, there's a lot of mods. Dudes jack those up above thousand all the time. Oh, and it's going to get robbed out here then. No. We're talking about. No, come on.

Texas. We're talking about. Where are you parked? You want to get her to buy crack? I don't drive anywhere. Where's he going? Come on. Where's he going?

Come on. Come on. You live in a nice place? I'll need it. Are you buying cracks? You got covered parking? You don't need it, but it's fun. I just think of gone to 60 seconds.

When you've got a dope car, people know you've got a dope car and you're seeing driving that dope car, they're going to follow you in that dope with our friend. He got followed. What's wrong with you two? Oh, Joel. Yeah. Shit's going to happen. I don't need that.

He was going to have fucking dope Tesla. He was in Dallas buying tacos at three in the morning. He was in Dallas. A million Tesla's all over the place. And he's got a Ferrari. I drive a Ferrari. I'm crazy shit. I'm crazy.

I've never had any issues. Especially out here. You can catch an issue every now and then. But the thing about Texas is everybody's armed. Like, you can't just roll up on someone and try to take their car. You're risking your fucking life. It happened on Fifth Street, a block away from the club not too long ago. Yeah, right in front of NEDs.

People get carjacked in every city. That's a fact. That's where I live. It does happen. Not where I live. Come on to this. Come on over to the burbs, dude. So you think if you have one of them cyber truck...

So supposedly cyber truck is coming out with an SUV. Maybe, I don't know. It could be cool. Elon won't tell me. You won't tell me shit. You don't tell you? I got a big fucking mouth. There's online.

People have showed things, but like we don't really know... What have they showed? Potential, like, it looks a little bit like the mix between an X and a cyber truck. See, that would be a smart move for them to make a cyber truck that's an SUV. It's a smart move because you already have the shit. shape just instead of having the pickup truck part where no one's using. Yeah, extend the seats. Yeah, have the seats back more.

And you could even shorten the wheelbase a little bit and make it like, you know, like one of the smaller Cadillac SUVs. You could. Or you could just say fuck all that noise and get a Hellcat Durango because Stalantis does, Hellcat's back, baby. Those are pretty dope. Hellcat Durangels are pretty dope. The God father of the Hellcat Tim is back running fucking Dodge.

Yes. That's why. Thank fucking God. They got crushing it. They got silly. with that electric thing. I had some French guy running it. Is that what it was?

Yeah, and he killed all. Facts. That's what it was. He wanted to destroy America. Facts. But he killed, what a Pouetan to beat zero gun. It was like the most iconic American like V8 power cars in a long time. We're Dodge.

Dodge Viper, well that's a V-10. Dodge Viper, you had, but just big engines, right? You had, you know, gasoline engines. You had, of course, the Challenger, Challenger, Hellcat. Hellcat Red Eye. They crushed it. Crushed it.

Are they going to discontinue the Challenger? No, they're coming out with a gas challenger. So they fucked up and came out with a Challenger all electric and it ate a charger. Was it a charger? And a Challenger too. They did it both, right? You can't change. They're coming out with a charger that's gas power.

Yeah, the charge is dope. I've seen some reviews of it. It's dope. It's dope. And it's fast. Fast as fuck. Here. Now we're talking, Jamie.

What are you thinking of that? This is the 20... Here we go. It's a straight SUD. Look at that, Jamie. Here you go. Clubs fit in there easily. Yeah, now we're talking.

The Durango kept dodge and flow. That's what you need, Jamie. You need a goddamn V8. Like a fucking hell can come in here with a fucking hairy chest? Fuck you, dude. God damn American. Yeah.

That's what you need. That's it. Forget the Cadillac. We're on to this now. We're onto this. We're onto this. We're onto this. That's what you need.

I wasn't... This is also people love these. This is a... robbery card the track hawk that's why i'm off of that trackhawks are great dude we need not steal there's not that many of them yeah and people are after them how about you get a hennessee and tell them to leave the badges off hennessy's are so fucking just have hennessee do it and leave the badges oh did you do you just looks like a regular one a sleeper i'd just be worried the whole time oh my god's what world are you living in dude dude did a super duty

hennessee finally did a fort super duty yeah fuck i love hency does dope shit dude they do dope mustangs They do dope Cadillacs. They take the Black Wing and fucking... See, that's why with Tooby, it was like, let's see how these four episodes go. They do good. Do you know John? Me and him had a conversation.

You should do a show with him. He's great. I want to do a show with him. I want to go to Gunther. Yeah. But John's great. He's up to fucking road. He's great.

I can connect you with him. He's a good dude. He's a friend of mine. Me and him had a combo because when I was building my Raptor get to 1,400 horseby, I called him. Well, I'll hook you up with Gunther, too. They're great.

Peter's very cool, too. Rango smokes his track hawk. Yeah, dude. Oh, the Durango with the Hellcat? He started a little fast if he smokes. Yeah, that's probably not a Hennessy one. Well, it doesn't matter. I mean, they put a Hellcat in one of those fucking things.

You're dealing with insane horsepower. It's so much horsepower. They're awesome, Jamie. And it sounds incredible. The Red interior, it's fucking awesome. Well, we're salespeople. We're selling Dodge to James. That actually might have been the track hawk on the right.

Okay. Whichever one it was. Either way, pick your poison and just fucking get one. I would 100% drive one of those. 100%. I might get one too if you get one. Shit, make it three. Let's go.

Let's go. Charge it. How dare you? You son of a bitch. You know what, man? He's not wrong, though, with the way gas prices are. I talked to Tim Dillon today. I was on the phone with him when I came to studio.

He told me that gas is $7.90 a gallon in L.A. right now. And that's down from what it was. I was out there a month shooting commercial, and it was up to 8.40 something. Here's what I don't understand. Are we getting oil from Iran? No. That's what... Maybe 3 or 4% was from Iran.

So, are they just fucking us in the ass? They just know, oh, Americans know if we go to war, we can increase the gas price, so we all just go along with it. Is that real? Or is it global prices went up because some of the gas can't get to where it needs to go? And so they need to make that money, so they just fuck you. Isn't it funny? They're like, we're going to make money no matter what. Yeah.

The American people are going to lose money, so we make the same amount of money. And also, fuck you, you need oil. But my whole thing is even like when, you know, when we go to war, people are like, yeah, they're just doing it for money. It's like, how much fucking money do they need? They're all rich anyway. American gas prices are rising mainly because crude oils become more expensive due to the war with Iran and disruptions in global oil supply plus normal seasons and cost factors in refining distribution and taxes. biggest driver, crude oil in the Iran War. But what if we got all our oil from America?

Which we can do. Well, if we did that, why would oil go up? Because, look, American fuel prices are tied to global oil market. We would just start selling it. That's stupid. Yeah, but they're a bunch of crooks. They're a bunch of crooks. We should have a national oil company and only sell in America.

Keep it in-house. So no matter what foul shit we do outside of the world Companies can still sell wherever they want. Yeah. Even though U.S. is the world's largest oil producer, companies can sell oil on the global market to whoever pays the highest price. And it fucks us. High world prices still translate into high domestic gas prices.

Hey, Mr. President, please fix that. Fucking tax them. I don't know if he can do that. They'll kill them three times already. You try to fuck with that oil money. All of a sudden, President JD is crying on TV. I'm going to miss Donald. He was a great mentor to me.

I didn't always agree with everything he said. And I wish he didn't post that picture of him as Jesus. I... Dude, what the fuck are you doing? Hey, you know what's crazy to me? There's been like three legit assassination attempts. And it's in the news two, three days. And we're just like, yeah, it's crazy.

And we move on. Well, there was another one that barely made the news where a guy showed up and tried to attack JD. You remember that? guy? No. Yes, see? I know. I'm part of the problem. This guy showed up, I think it was at the White House. I think some guy showed up at the white. You see this guy who just got killed or got shot in Cambridge? So this guy, he had a shootout with the cops three years ago, went to jail for three years, got out and was walking on the street in Cambridge, just unloading his gun on pass or eyes. Just shooting random people on the street This guy had gotten a shootout with the cops and only did three years That's insane dude

A shootout with a cops I think 20 bullets were exchanged And he only did three years Bro here's the other problem is I saw they took a again whoever's doing these poles You gotta be an idiot to get stopped on the street Look at the polls This is wild He's just walking on the street shooting at cars Bro by the way

I'm running that guy over Oh thousand Especially for my Toyota, my land cruiser, where I know it's not going to mess up my car. That's insane. Meanwhile, if I was in Cambridge, though, I'd probably go to jail for life. 100% you're fucked for defending the public. But I saw a survey said, one in four Americans think the assassination temps on the present are fake. I wonder what percentage think the world's flat?

One in four. The people that thought that the Butler, Pennsylvania one was staged, don't know anything. about guns. That's a fact. I don't know anybody who knows anything about guns that thinks that the president would let some guy nick his ear with a bullet. So dumb. That is in the guy behind him, the firefighter who lost his life, that guy got shot by a bullet that was intended for Trump. And then there's a photo of a bullet whizzing by his face. Anybody that thinks that that staged is out of their fucking mind. Or the guy that the correspondence dinner who rushed in. Yeah. They think that's fake. And it's like, hold on. So you think this guy who's a

teacher, educated, clearly kind of had his shit together, threw away his life. Well, Tim Burchett, who I had on the podcast, the congressman, he thinks that guy was like some sort of an MK. Ultra type deal. And he says he thinks they still do that. He thinks someone's still doing that. I've always thought that. I'm not trying to steal. I'm sure he has way better points than me, but if they did MK. Ultra all those years ago, when you go through the list of Charles Manson and the Unabomber, you think it stopped? And you don't think they've gotten better with Exactly. So you just think they're like, okay, the public knows, we're going to shut this down.

No, dude. Yeah. They expand. It gets better and better and better. For sure, they're still doing that. And that could have been Thomas Crooks, too. The guy who tried to shoot Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. That one was weird as fuck.

That one's so weird because that guy's house was professionally scrubbed. He didn't even have silverware there. He had no online activity. He had no, like, social media. Black rock ties. And have you heard anything about him? Nope, gone. How weird is that, dude?

Vanished like... What about the Charlie Kirk guy? What about the guy who killed Charlie? Right. We haven't heard one interview with them. Is that not weird, dude? It's super weird. Nearly one third of Americans, 30% believed that at least 30%.

At least one of the three attempts on Donald President's life over the last two years were staged. Wow. For each attempted assassination, a majority of Americans said either that it was staged or that they were not sure. 54% said they either thought it was staged. staged or not sure. And that's the problem. Only 38% of Americans believe all three assassination attempts were authentic. This is TikTok.

It's fucking ruined people's brains. That's the fucking problem. Rotting their fucking brains out from inside of their heads. I know. It's not good, dude. Meanwhile, you go on Chinese TikTok, it's all like traditional dance and martial arts. They built it. Science projects.

Yeah. It shuts down for kids after 10 p.m. Yeah. And like Americans, have fun. Yeah. They are. They're doing such a great job. Crush it.

And then they sold. It sold it to that American company and they're just going to continue doing what the Chinese did and make the most amount of money, which is rotten people's brains out. Don't give a fuck. It would it be dope if this American company that bought it said, hey, there's clearly a problem with how things are emphasized and what your algorithm shows you. And what we're going to do is promote like exceptional people doing exceptional things. Don't you think they would get more users? Because as a dad, I'd be like, okay, you guys can have TikTok. There's some rules there.

It's an educational thing. Now, not a fucking chance, dude. No, it wouldn't get more. It would, uh, everybody would go right over to Instagram. It would just, like, Instagram's all assassinations. What if they did across the board? You would have to have no one cross that picket line, and they all would, because people are addicted to watching fucked up street fights and crazy things now.

Like, my algorithm is all, like, people fighting in parking lots, and there's so much of that. Man, mine's, Just trucks, cars, and fucking fights. On Instagram? Yeah. So my problem is me and Segura, every day, send each other the worst thing what we find online. I don't want to start my day like that. I don't.

I don't either. I don't either. I don't either, but it's too late. But that's the only time I'm going to Instagram now. The only time, and then I'll check my... You've kind of gotten off of it, right? Yeah. This is so much better.

You feel so much better. I go in occasionally and check Twitter to see what the news is. Like what's trending? What's happening? But you're not like reading the comments and all that shit or mentions. And I don't even go into the news feed because I used to go into the news feed. I find things about me all the time. Like I don't want to hear what a douchbag I am.

That's a bummer. Like, come on. I'm not here for that. I know. It sucks. So I can't avoid people getting mad at me or even saying nice things about me. I don't want to read that. No.

I think what's better is I go to the trending stuff and find out what the news is. So then I'll click on like, what the fuck is. going on and I'll check that out. Like that's how I found out about this guy with the gun. And you feel so much better, right? Way better. But I'm also more often than not, now not going there for my news and I've kind of curated my Google news feed. Smart to be much more interesting. Like I get more stories and it'll show me stories from X. Yeah. So then I can decide whether or not I want to actually open up X to read the story. And did you stop drinking too? I did and then I went back. I'm back. How back are you? Not back crazy.

but I'll have a couple of drinks every now and then. I haven't gotten drunk since I've been back. Dude, I've been sober over two years now. That's not. Almost three. Feel good? Feel great. Never been in better shape.

Yeah, it's, I feel fucking awesome. It's definitely better for you. But I do like a glass of wine or two with dinner. And I do like a drink or two with the boys when we're at the club every now and then. But I just, I was doing it too much. Me too. And then I recognized. And so I stopped.

Yeah, just, it wasn't benefiting me. And then also, you know, I have addictive personality. Like, if I do something, I got to be all in. Like, on, like, on. Like literally one day I woke up, I'm like, I don't need 11 cars. And half of them are trucks and they're all the same. You know? It's just like when I get into something, I get so into that.

But as I'm getting old, I'm getting better checking myself. Good. It's good. Getting better at that is very important to managing your life. It's really important. It's grown up. Well, it's also just realizing that there's some addictions that are just not beneficial at all. And then other ones that are really beneficial.

So just get addicted to doing things that are good for you. Yeah. Facts. You know, but that's the problem is that, you know, a lot of people can't regulate their addictions well. They're just not good at it. And so they just get caught up and, you know, it could be anything. Oh.

Yeah. To preach. That's me. Yeah. But it's also that same thing is what causes people to get good at stuff. Correct. Which is weird, you know. Like, if you show me a dude who can't get addicted to anything, like, there's not one

thing that is taking up too much of your time. I probably can't hang out with you. Correct. And it's not good. Yeah, not good. Yeah, because that same obsession is what led me, got me to the UFC or football. Exactly. Exactly. Like being all in on something, I think, is where that's where obsession can lead.

The scary one for me, I think, not for me personally, but when I see it is gambling. Super scary. Because I see people that are really rich, not just Dana, but other people that I know that are really rich that gamble big numbers. And it freaks me out. like big poker games and crazy amounts of money they gamble and stuff. And I was like, I don't like that. But you get your rocks off in other ways. I think for those like super rich people, like that's kind of like they can buy any car,

they can buy any house or go on any trip. In order to get their rocks off, that's how they do it. Yeah, but it has to be a big number for them to feel it. The juice has to be so high. If they bet $100 on something, they don't even vote. That doesn't mean. They might not even cash that ticket. Like they don't feel it.

You know how you and I are similar with obsession. Do your kiddos have that? Do you see it in anything? Oh, yeah. In a positive way? Super driven. But it's very positive. Kids imitate the atmosphere that they grow up in.

And if your parents have a hard work ethic and their discipline and their kind, generally speaking, that's how your kids come out. Yeah. I think that. So when I see shitty kids, I generally, genuinely think that it's, at least part of it is from the parents. Dude, I coach my son's baseball and football teams. The crazy parents I deal with, buddy. Dude.

And I try to talk to the dads because most of them respect me. So I'll go, can I give you some advice, man? You got to back off, dude. But they can't. They can't. You'd have to change who they are. And I tell them, I'm like, I'm trying to help you out here. You love baseball.

Whatever. You love football. your son has told me he wants to quit. Now, the reason he wants to quit is because you've made it not fun. Right. He used to love this game. When I first got here, nothing he loved more than football. Now he wants to quit because you've made it a job for him.

You've fucked up, dude. And who's it going to affect? A, it's going to suck for him because he likes football. You're not going to be able to watch a kid play football, dude. Because you decide to make it not fun? You're going to fuck up your relationship with your kid. Facts. I don't force my kids and do it other than they have to go to school.

I don't force my kids into doing anything they don't want to do. If they're not interested in it, you don't have to do it. But find something you are interested in. That's my thing. Whatever you're into, let's ride. I don't get fuck what it. It's just so happens. It's baseball football.

Cool, let's ride, man. Yeah, but you have a great personality for that and that you're very encouraging your kids, but you're not, you're not, it's not you, it's not you, it's not you, thinking that, like, your self-worth is not tied up to your kids' performance. You just want your kids to have fun. Yep. The problem is with some. people, their kid is almost like their racehorse or something.

You know what I mean? Like it's like their whole personality gets wrapped around their kid being an elite athlete. Brother, and now it's worse because, especially in base, right, it's like, it's a business now. It's over a billion dollar business. So now it's like there's these travel ball when I was a kid. You have to be really fucking good.

Well, now every parent wants to say their kids travel ball. So there's the majors and there's two teams of the majors. There's three AAA, three double A, three single A. I just want my I don't need the best 10 year old I just want him playing So I don't give up He made the majors team

I don't get a fuck me It's majors Triple A REC We're playing wherever Have fun Have fun And apply yourself to something

And apply yourself And apply yourself And I don't give a fuck Whether What level we're at We'll play at all And some of the parents I'll come back from a tournament

They're like Ugh you play double A I'm like Yeah it's baseball It's baseball You think he can only play Major's so what I can sit around

The water cooler and bragged are you guys i don't give a crazy that people will like talk down about a kid who's not playing as good as other kids oh it's like what do you but you know that's the it's like stage moms you know there's a thing like that with actors

to your point their identity's tied up in but they what they don't realize is they're fucking it all up oh yeah it's all gonna get fucked up i've seen that with a lot of young actors where their parents were like super involved in their career and then the kid just did not want to do it anymore and generally like I've seen it a few times, and one of them that I know really well, where the parents stole money from the kid.

Fuck, dude. Yeah, he stole like $6 million. Jesus Christ. I'll tell you who it is after the show. That's terrible. Oh, it's awful. It's awful. It's like devastated them to find out.

But it's like that's what they're doing. They're using the kid as a piggy bank. They quit working. They relied entirely on the kid. The kid's acting. Think that's like, fucking 10. Oh, I got to afford all this so we can fucking live. I know.

And I'm nine? Not only that, but then, you know, the kid starts feeling like, hey, This is my fucking money. Yeah, I'm the fucking man. You don't tell me, I can't have cereal. Go fuck yourself. He's the boss? Yeah, I mean, he had problems with it too.

They all have problems with it. And then on top of that, it's just super unhealthy for your kid to get famous when they're 10. Horrible. And also for pretending. Horrible. You get famous for pretending? That's what? How's that going to affect your personality?

Yeah. Well, there's a lot of parents out there, man. They just don't understand. You're developing. human being and one of the reasons they don't understand is they're not developed well correct they're fucking nuts or it the biggest problem is usually the parents who never played right and they like man they'll see just a glimpse that their son has some talent and then it's they're the worst did you get into cars you big time oh that's nice big time got to teach them how to drive so they

don't do something stupid when they get old that's what I tell them all the time all the fucking time oh no they're going to learn how to drive a manual it's the easiest way to your car Jamie you want to make sure your car didn't get stolen, by a manual. The criminals these days don't have to drive a man. Do you know how to drive one? Sure. Oh, he's going to burn that clutch. Look at them.

I haven't done it in a long time. You could figure it out throwing a black word. Yeah, especially if you're only driving 10 miles a day. You're a perfect candidate. I just don't want to. That's disappointing. Yeah, no, my kids know their shit. Like, yeah, it reminds me out.

I mean, there's so many other cars in the world. It doesn't need to be that one. What do you like? I don't, I'm not driving anywhere. You know you like track-cocks? Okay, okay, okay. But let's just put all that aside. What cars do you look at you?

Who, I like that. Or do you look at a car that you like and go, that's a target? No, if it's one I like, it ends up honestly being like an X-6, somewhere in that range, X-5, X-6, AMG, GLE. Okay. Now we're talking. Like that. I don't know. Yeah.

There's somewhere in there. Those are dope-looking. Whoever made the new grills on the BMW should be Dickw. slap into the hospital. Like, what the fuck did you do to one of the most iconic grills? And they hit, like, the M-4s, like, bluck. Yeah. What did you do?

They're just trying to switch it up, you know, and they miss. Oh, but who let that go through? Bring that up, Jamie? The only one that looks good or looks decent is the seven series. There's something about the proportions of the 7th series with that big grill. It doesn't bother me. That M2 is fucking tasty too, though. Okay, that's dope.

Those things can cook. They didn't get it goofy with the grills. I'm talking about that one, right? Come the fuck on with that. They've sort of fixed it as time's gone by, but it's still got a big gap like that. Yeah, I don't like it. The earlier ones were the grossest ones. But look at that right there.

Which is the lower? I'm sorry, that one's good, but the left one, the white one. The white one. Yeah, that's it. Look at that's perfect. That's perfect That's perfect Do you still have the M5?

No But I do have The E46 M3 Oh yeah those are cool The 2005 That was fucking awesome That one's fucking great That was literally a perfect car

That's a great car Like that one That one's gross That grill the lower right one The bronze colored one Blach Yeah my brother has that new M2 manual And that thing fucking

Oh M2 serve Amazing Those are amazing BMW to their credit It's still making manual transmissions. It's a little better. Do they make a manual in the M5?

They don't, right? I don't think so. I think the M5 is only... Does it make a manual? The M5s are so heavy now. That's their issue. Yeah, it's like manual's not the first thing coming up. Yeah, I don't think they make it a manual transmission anymore.

See if it says manual transmission. That one's automatic. Yeah, I think they make the M1stimission. 4 manual yeah oh six speed but that's the e60 v10 that's an old one those are dope the v10s are cool

the v10 sound amazing yeah they sound amazing my uh... e 46 is not that fast there it is that's old yeah yeah so the last those are the last ones they made in a manual but my uh e46 is small it's that's what you want doesn't weigh a lot it handles really good it's got

hydraulic steering manual transmission and, you know, it's a dining, so it has a supercharger on it. So it's a little faster, so it's like 400-something horsepower. But, dude, it's just fun. It's just, you feel it while you're driving it, and they look fucking awesome. I said something weird and I was trying to track that said that they got two of a network, unless there's only two vehicles here. What is it saying? It might be, it's not an American thing.

Does that make sense? No, those are old. No, I know. I'll tell you what I saw. Oh, that they did. So put in 2026 BMW. M5 manual. I just saw that.

We got two versions of the VMWM5 with a manual that the rest of the world messed out on. That's what I saw was clicking on. When does that, though, if you click on it? It's 2025. Right, but I think they're talking about old cars. I think they're doing a history.

BMW still has some... Because it says two versions. They're talking about older cars. BMW still has great interiors, too. Oh, yeah. Some manufacturers still fucking do it right. BMW does it right. They're really good.

It's a solid car. The new M5, even if it is in a manual, is a fucking screamer of a car. They're monsters. Yeah, but they have to make them hybrids now. I know. Because of all the fucking, all the environmental ship. Did you see Trump got rid of the engines? The engine start?

You know how when you stop? Oh, yeah. He got rid of that. That's good. Yeah. That's, I don't like that. It drives me nuts. And I don't like that in some cars, I have to press the don't do that at every red light.

I don't do that. I don't do that. Hate it. It drives me fucking nuts. You're not. anything all you're doing is cooking my starter yeah because the starter's got to start how crazy the Trump was like I'm getting rid of that so annoying parking next to one of these is that a mazorati yeah it's sick oh boy those are cool in person they're really nice

oh those are dope that's a beautiful car why don't you get one of them jimmy well what's up I don't know he's worried about the attention I just had a tire problem for I didn't go that far the model S tires just like fell apart after 10,000 miles I know that that was weird The way your tires fell apart was weird That didn't make any sense Because he said he had a flat tire And then he got to look at it

And it was like there's the wires around He'd worn down the tread at 10,000 miles Well that's the problem with electric cars They're so heavy so you're going through tires faster But I didn't think it would be that fast 10,000 miles is crazy Jimmy might be driving like a maniac Fucking nutty man I bet he is

Yeah the wire dude You know ratchet You gotta be to wear down to the wire I think it's the weight. Yeah, it's the weight. Because we looked it up and it was like 15,000 miles. So he's just a little bit more lead foot. A little more lead foot, Jamie.

Just a sign to get out of the leg of the car. As he gets older, we're talking on leadfoot, Jamie. These are dope. Austin Martins are dope. Fuck yeah. Now we're talking, son, Jamie. You know some good shit. Here we go.

I just don't like Blackwing, Cadillac. Okay. Okay, you don't like Cadillac. Okay. That's fine. Awesome. It's fine. Everybody has different.

taste. That's fine. As long as you like that. You like something. Dude, I'll go on Facebook Marketplace for you. We'll get your track hucks. We'll get your Aston Martins. He's got to get something. We've got to get him something. Fun. Let's know the budget, dude. He seems a little hesitant.

But he does seem open to it. Yeah. Well, you drove race cars before. We're on the track. That's fun. I'd do that all the time. But you could buy a car that you can drive your own? We're going to have a studio at the track. It's more fun to not drive your own race car. That's true. That's true.

You don't worry about fucking that. That's a good point. So your shows on 2B. Shows on 2B, Gearheads Gone Wild. There's four episodes. And are you releasing new ones? You can binge watch all four of them right now. And then if the four do well, they're going to order a bunch more.

And that's where I do Hennessy, Gunter Works. I got some big boys lined up. And how long are each show? I think they're like 28 minutes each. Yeah. Okay. Cool. And it's Gearheads Gone Wild.

Yes, they're on Tube. On Tube. Yep. So I'd be the first time I ever go to Tube. I've never been a tuby. Please do, I'd only heard about it like a year ago. I just found out about it

three months ago. I just can't believe it as that many fucking people viewing it. When they're like, we got to buy a tubi, I'm like, okay, let's fucking do it. They've been awesome. That's great. It's easy to watch, yeah.

Well, someone's going to be watching it because that many people. But it sounds awesome, dude. It's fine, man. I'm glad you're doing something that you enjoy. I love it. Yeah, I'll dig it. It's our shit.

All right, brother. You'll love it, man. Thanks for doing this, brother. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Goodbye, everybody. See you.