The Joe Rogan Experience - #2511 - Terry Bradshaw

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

Terry Bradshaw is a retired NFL quarterback whose 14 seasons with the Pittsburgh Steelers included four Super Bowl wins, leading to his induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Bradshaw is also a musician, actor, author, entrepreneur, commentator, and co-host of “Fox NFL Sunday.”www.foxsports.com/personalities/terry-bradshawwww.steelers.com/history/bios/bradshaw_terrywww.bradshawbourbon.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Rogan podcast, checking out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. On to the microphone. I went up there catching a rainbow trout. Oh, yeah? Killed them. I've been up this our fourth year.

You fly fish? Yeah. Oh, yeah. But you're not fly fishing. You come back in July for fly fishing. This is fly fishing, but you've got a flybobber. It's a fly fishing. and then you got that tiny, tiny bug.

I mean, you can't even see it, and that's what you catch your moth. So you're using a fly rod, but you have a bobber and a little tiny fly. The bobber is basically a big moth or something. Okay. It holds it up. Right, right.

It's bobber, cork, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just a different kind of fly fishing. What you're doing because you're not, you're in a boat. You know, fast that water's moving. Right. And you just go down through there and they move it to the jets and jetties and stuff.

So you find like the pools where they're waiting. Yeah, you go and you just find it. Goes to plume. Mm. Yeah. Brown trout. Yeah, it was a good time. Yeah, trout fishing is very fun.

Yeah, it is. Fly fishing is a completely different thing. It's very, it's very skillful. I like fly fishing, too. We did that last year in July. and didn't have near the, I mean, we didn't catch hardly anything, be honest with you. Yeah. I mean, maybe five or six a day.

That's a lot for fly fishing. We caught almost 110 hours. Really? Yeah. A hundred trout? That's crazy. Don't say where you were. People are all going to swarm that place.

No, I don't. I didn't bring my fun. I'd show you pictures of them. Yeah, it was crazy. Wow. I'll tell you something funny. I carry, I carry, oh, are we? Yeah, we're filming.

I figured we were. I carry a baby Jesus with me. Let me tell you what happened. You carry a baby Jesus? Baby Jesus. Like from the manger? Yes, Jesus. Right.

It's Jesus. We call it baby Jesus. Okay. Okay. Oh, so it is just grown up Jesus, has a beard and everything. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So, we're not catching anything.

So I'll reach in the pocket. I don't know why looking for my life. I don't know what I was doing. and I had this baby Jesus I said oh my son-in-law is in the back I said I got baby Jesus with me and I set him on the on the igloo on the box

facing me you ready Joe one two three four five six six giant rainbow in a row so my son-in-law's in the back and he's going turn baby Jesus towards me

I turned around. I took baby Jesus toward him. One, two, three, four, five, six. I went, now, this. That's weird. We caught 12, 12 rainbow anywhere from 15 to 20 inches. That's big. Yeah, that's big.

That's a good rainbow. So the guide, I mean, he's, you got a little tripped out. He said, hey man, you're kind of messing with me here. That's kind of got me a little screwed up here. I started laughing. I said, man, you get the power of Jesus in here. So we kept it all day. Before I left, I gave it to him.

So he said, I'm going to use this every day. So that's, it was kind of fun. I don't think that's something you should use every day. I think that that should be like for special trips. You don't want to ask Jesus every day to help you catch fish? I don't go fishing every day. But, yeah, you're right. You know what I'm saying?

I didn't need, I wouldn't normally need help. But trout fishing, you know, I need help. I'm bass fishing. And, yeah, I'm pretty good on my own. But if things get desperate, I'm not, I mean, I don't want to push it. You know what I'm saying? I want to push it. Oh, by the way, Jeff died to him.

He said, hello. Oh, you know, Jeff? Yeah, too. I know. I did two years of better late than never with him. Oh, I love Jeff. Yeah. It's a good dude.

Yeah. Solid dude. Man's man. What's with all the whiskey? Did you bring that? Yeah. I was wondering. I'll drink.

I quit and then I came back. I quit for eight months. Not really, like, I didn't have a problem. I just health reasons. I decided it wasn't a good thing for you. I'm not smart. Do you have your own Terry Bradshaw whiskey? Yeah, we've had it now going on.

Come on, son. We've got to have a glass of that. Seven years. Do you drink? Yes. You better. I drink this. Let's have a drink.

This is a drink. 12 year that just won all the Golden Awards and spirits. Oh, nice. Yeah, won all of them. So age 12 years? 12 years, 13 now. I was talking with Buffalo Trace about that and they're like, we ever do. That's what you drink.

Once you drink this, you'll stop drinking that. Unless they're a sponsor. Unless they're a sponsor. Okay, there you go. And they're nice guys. Okay. And I respect them. I mean, that company's been around longer than the country.

Long. Long. Long than America. Long time. They started in 1773. I mean, when you go back to Sedu whiskey. Yeah. Well, they claimed that Elijah Craig was the father of bourbon whiskey.

And they do research, and then they don't have it back that far where they can actually say, because Elijah Craig was a preacher. Oh, really? Yeah. A preacher who made whiskey. Yeah. Wow. So, anyway, that's award-winning 12.

Did we get some ice and glasses? This is our. original. This is our two year. This is the original brand right there. We still have that. What is the original? It's two year aged? Two, two. Then with our yeast, we were able to make it taste

like four to six. Okay. And so now, and then we don't do that anymore. And then this is the this is the good stuff right here. What's that stuff? Six year. Six year? Oh, yeah. So you got 12, two, and six? Yeah, actually 12, four. Can you really tell the difference?

Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I'm going to tell you right now. This is 145 proof. Whoa. Okay? That's a lot. This is 108. 103.8.

This is amazing. This is this is a... Why is the older stuff have more alcohol? Is it because of the process of aging? Yeah, because it's also... This is a bourbon that... It's a single barrel bourbon, and when we brought it out, you leave it in there, and this is what it turned out to. Now, we could dilute it by simply putting water in it and dilute it down.

This is 103.8, then it's 51.9 proof, or proof of alcohol. This, this, 149. Bust it out, Terry, let's go. If we bust it, how long are we planning on talk today? Let's talk for a couple hours. may not be able to make a couple hours. We'll give it our best shot. Okay, we'll do our best.

Who can open this? I don't have a knife here. Jamie got a knife? Oh, yeah. So we started this. He throws everything, but he didn't throw the knife. Good man. You know what?

I noticed coming over here today. A lot of tattoos in here. Yes. Yeah. A lot of tattoos. You mean in the building? Jamie's tattoo free. Yeah.

A lot of tattoos. He's been thinking about getting my face tattooed on his back. You still do? Is that like a bull's eye? Stand up. We made a deal. I'll do his face. He'll do mine.

Oh, my God. Anyway. And I'll have like young Jamie, like gothic stripped on my back. The thing about bourbon, I don't know how to explain it. I don't know why I fell in love with bourbon. I find it to be, first of all, it's the only thing that's only in America. Bourbon is only bourbon if it's in America. Right.

And I think it's only bourbon. if it's made in Kentucky. A lot of Kentucky people feel the exact same way. I mean, you ready? Yes, sir. Okay. Let's go. Time to party.

I'm just going to... This might be the best show you ever have. All right. I'm excited. Yeah, you will be after you drink that. Let it sit. Let it sit. It smells good.

It smells good. This is the 12-year-old stuff. And what is it called? Brichael Bourbon. That's the name. This episode, is brought to you by Squarespace. Once you've got a great name for your business,

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of a website or domain. Can I see? Here's the thing about the 12. We only have... Bradshaw Bourbon, look at that. We only have 15 cases left, 15 cases, I think, they told me. So this is a limited edition, and then we have to come out with some new stuff. But this is actually 13 years old now.

So you obviously started this project a long time ago. Right, I did. If you've been aging it for 12 years. What I did. Cheers, sir. Thank you for being here. Here's two, Joe. Thanks for having me.

My pleasure. Thank you. What happened, I don't know why. I went to my, who, Hey, wow. You got to let us sit. Yeah, that's got a kick.

We're going to try this and then we'll try this. Okay. And you'll definitely see the different. But I was going to my, I went to my dad who's father. Someone's driving me home today. My father's father was an alcoholic. And I went to my dad prior to him passing. And I said, hey, dad, what would you think if I got into the spirits business?

And he says, you know what I think. And I went, well, I'm just asking you. And he says, absolutely not. And I said, okay. So I shut her down. My dad died. Oh, wow, it's 12 years ago. He died.

My mother died two years ago. So anyway, so after his passing, two or three years, four years, I was sitting, and I was sitting around, and I was trying to, I remember William Cohen, and Secretary of State William Cohen, he says, what do you do to make a living? I said, well, I work on Fox. I'm a broadcaster. And he says, is that it? And I said, well, I'm a horse and cattle breeder.

I raise registered cattle. And I'm in the breeding business, training business, quarter horses. He said, oh, okay. He says, is there anything else? I said, well, I get public, I speak for corporations. So he was trying to find out, and he took a liking to him. And he says, basically what he was telling me, he should brand her myself and not have to travel so much.

Yeah. Because I travel. Yeah. 250 days last year we travel. That's a lot. That's a lot. But my wife travels with me, so that's good. That helps.

Yeah. What do you want to do with baby Jesus? Let's sit him right here. Set him right there. See if any fish flop out of the sky. I got him facing you. We'll see what happens. And anyway, so he said, basically, you ought to brand yourself, get into something that you can,

and I said, well, I don't really know anything. I know football. I can talk football. I know how to make people laugh. I know how to give speeches to major corporations and build a program in the speeches. I know quarter horses. I know how to select horses, show horses. I know how to train them.

I don't do that, but I have a trainer for all that now, and I have people for the breeding part of it. And I said in cattle, I know the bloodlines and things of that nature, but I got people doing that. And so I just got to, I never forgot that. You know, that's William Cole, one of the, he's a pretty smart dude. And so we're, I'm home, I think it was kind of a rainy day, and I'm sitting there, and my little brain's going, I'm going, you know, what, what do you want to do? What do you, for some reason I was going, what do you want to do? Because I remember one time, I remember one time I got real uncomfortable because I didn't

have a normal job. So I ran into this guy that owned this cosmetic company, and I said, said, do you have a job? Could you hire me to teach me the cosmetic industry? And he said, yeah, yeah. He gave me $5,000 a month. So I had to go to work and put a tie on and a coat because I wanted to be like everybody. Everybody goes to work.

Right. But me. I'm playing golf in between speeches, which may be week, two weeks apart. So I got two weeks of golf. And I got, you know, and I just got, when was this? This is 30 years ago. 30 years ago, you decided to get into the cosmetics business? Yeah.

Just for just to do something? I wanted to be, I wanted to have a job. Really? I know. Wow. I wanted to have a job. I wanted to be like, I wanted, I think I wanted to see, I wanted to see how America works.

People get up and kiss their kids goodbye and their wives or husbands and they go off to work. Right. And I, for some reason, I felt guilty. I didn't have a job. I know it's stupid. I know. It's interesting. So I got a job.

Now, here's the thing, Joe. My office was right on the road across the street from the golf course I was a member of. And I was watching my buddies come up the fair way. And I'd stand at the window and I'd look at them and I'd go that. I should be playing golf with those guys right now. Yeah. So. How long did you last?

months. I couldn't stand it. Hey, I'm telling I couldn't stand it. Most people can't. But I can't explain it other than I just felt guilty that

you know, people say, well, athletes, they got, you know, it's true. They got all this money and they got this and they got that. You smoke cigars, Terry? I do. You want one?

Yeah, I do. I want a really good one. You got them? Oh, yeah. Hey, I love, hey, that's my wife. I've got the only, I'm probably married to the only wife who lets me smoke in the house. Really? You married?

Yes, I can't smoke in the house. Oh, see there? Everything you see in this place is because I can't do anything at home. All the elk heads and all the crazy artwork and Jimmy Hendricks and all that jazz. Really? Yeah. It's like I let her decorate the house. Yeah. You know what I mean?

It's beautiful. It's very excited. If my house would look like a 16-year-old boy won the lottery. Well, I can understand that. I don't know why. Racing simulators and fake werewolves. Why my wife lets me smoke? But if she said, I love you.

Yeah. Oh, you're saying yours don't. No, I love me too. But we make concessions. Okay. You know what I mean? But I have a pool room, like where I play pool. In the house?

No, it's out. Oh, outside? It's out in the barn. And I go out there and I smoke. I have a cigar. This one, sir. Oh, bless you. Yeah, this is good. You smoke Cuban cigars?

I do when I can get them. But you know what I mean? There's a lot of them that aren't even really Cuban. They're lying to you. There you go, sir. I think out of all the counterfeit stuff. This is going to be the greatest interview I've ever been a part of. Not only are we going to drink award-winning bourbon,

Bradshaw bourbon by the way, and we're smoking. This is amazing cigar. Yeah, shout out to foundation cigars. Wow. What is this? Dominican, I believe. No, Nicaragua. Yeah.

Is it our fathers? The name of the company? Yeah. No, it's foundation, foundation cigars. I've got to get the name. This is called the tabernacle. This is his... Foundation cigars.

Yeah, good, right? Oh. legit, right? Yeah. If I had your kind of money, I could afford these. Foundation. Also, I'll send you a box. He gave him to me for free.

Siri? Yeah, he's a friend of the show. Kind of get like a month. monthly delivered? I bet he will. I bet he will. Just make a little Instagram post or something. He'll be habit hook, yep.

I got this friend. He built our house. Huge elk hunter, which I know you are. And so he goes out and he shoots this massive elk. I mean, this monster. The bottom of his horn was like this big round. Just massive. Seven by seven.

In Idaho? New Mexico. New Mexico's big. Joe. Extraordinary big elk in New Mexico Yeah Shot him with a bow He's a bowhunter like you

And so he brings it home Now he's old got his fireplace All right He's got two over here Two over here Well you gotta balance it up right Right one right in the middle So he gets his horn

You got the European European mount Yes that's what he does So he gets his step letter He got his horn He's got the screw in the wall or whatever you do and hold it. And he's putting it up.

And he's looking at it. And he's like, this is good. This is good. He takes a ladder and he moves out. He gets in his chair. And he's admiring his trophies. And it falls down.

No, no, no, no, no. The wife walked in. Oh, no. And she says, what are you doing? He goes, look, babe, seven by seven. Look, two, two, one in the middle, perfectly balanced wall. I want that out of here. What? I want that out of here. Get that out of here. That's not going up there.

But get it out of here. He had to take it down. You know where it is now? Where is it now? Garage. I know. I killed him. I said, give it to me. I'll hang it in my living room. My wife doesn't care. That's not good. Massive. Get it out of here. That's not what you want to hear. Fight Night is here. Title shots, debut killers. and the rising contender nobody's talking about yet, and only Draft Kings has you covered every step of the way. The Draft Kings app is now available in all 50 states and includes all markets bringing the game straight to your fingertips

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Terms at DKNG.com. I only have one in my house. It's the first one I ever killed. Yeah. I have a... That's pretty impressive. You shoot an elk or anything, but with a bow and arrow, you're close. Yeah, it's a lot of work, man.

Yeah. It's not easy. It's not easy. But I look forward to it every year, like nothing else. You go out for two weeks or a week? A week. Usually a week, a week at a time. You go to Mexico? I haven't been in New Mexico, but I want to.

New Mexico is like the Gila Mountains out there. That's supposed to be like one of the best elk. That Arizona, spots of Utah just for volume. Sparts of California. Montana's got big elk. Montana is huge out. I don't know about Wyoming. I know Idaho.

Utah has huge elk. I'm not an elk hunter, but I know all this because the one time I went elk and I gave my trainer, my horse trainer, my tag. Oh, really? And I just followed him. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was cool. And he shot this huge, six by six.

Oh, that's cool. So you gave him the tag and just went along with him. Yeah, I just went along, stayed behind when they had, we got down, you know, crawling around. It was, hey, it's impressive animal. You've never done it? I don't hunt. You don't hunt at all, just fish? I can't hunt.

I don't like to shoot stuff. I get it. Yeah. I get it. I'll kill a snake and a heartbeat. Okay. Or I even have a hard time killing a mouth. Really?

Yeah, I don't know what it is. Snake, snake scare me. Cineapede, I'll crush a centipede for all these words. Then put him in a grinder in the kitchen. Grind that sucker up. He might still be alive. You ever been to why you've got a hold with some centipedes? Joe, Joe, Joe, hear me, a lot of them, clear.

They're dangerous. Yeah, some of them are, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, they're gross. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, I'm not hunting. My brother was a hunter.

My dad was a hunter. All my uncles are hunters. I don't know why I never did. Hey, nothing wrong with that. You don't have to do it. It's not necessary. You could always go to the grocery store. I do that.

Yeah. But if you wanted to get it yourself, it's, uh. Yeah, I don't, I enjoy. It's like fishing. I'll go fishing with you. I don't have to fish. I don't have to fish as long as you're catching fishing and having a good time. That's just much fun for me.

Is it? Oh. Oh, mercy. A big island man caught a foot-long centipede. That dude caught that on the big island of Hawaii? Hey, check that out. Hey, but look at here. Right here.

That's crazy. I didn't know they got that big. Is that an invasive one or is that that can't be native to Hawaii, is it? Hawaii giant centipedes. Whoa. Is there a secret to this? Yeah, you flip the top. The other way?

There you go. that's it pull that button down oh this yep there you go sorry about that no worries that one for some reason

that lighter confuses the shit out of people yeah it's pretty good lighter too yeah yeah that was gross huh ugh yeah so you have no problem

killing sunbeats you just don't want to kill an animal I get it yeah yeah I don't but the thing is if you don't kill them they get killed by something it's usually either winter

or mountain lions we raise 27 mallard ducks my wife and I you raise them Raised them. Raised them. And so I told her this morning flying down here to Austin. So I told her, I said, we've got five ducks left.

What happened to them? Stupid ducks. Now, we live way out in the country. What they're doing is coming out of the lake, walking through the field, crossing over the road. Oh, they get crushed. And they're getting hit on the road. Oh. Why?

Why I had no idea. But we got five left out of 27. Are you raising them for eggs? No, we're just raising for fun. For fun? Yeah. Just to have dogs? hanging around?

Yeah, we ducks, chickens, guineas. Duck eggs are interesting. You ever have them? I'm not eating a duck egg. No? They're darker yolk. I know that. You ever had a guinea egg?

Guinea, what is it? Guinea, hen. Yeah. No, I don't think so. Yeah. It's good for you, but I... The duck eggs are weird. They're like coat your mouth.

You know what I mean? Like when you eat them, it just tastes different, but apparently it's massively high in protein. Yeah, we were talking about eating. Buffalo and elk You know, coming in today And I said, well, I've had Buffalo And that elk that my

trainer killed I could have all of it I want And I got one little steak My wife won't let me cook it So won't let you cook it So I have it So it's still sitting It's just no wild game in the house

See? I know But it's just meat You met her earlier Yeah, she seems like a loving lady. I don't understand why she has a problem with Wild Game. When we leave her today, go and say, hey, Tammy, how about we go over to the house and have a nice little elk steak and, you know? That ain't going to happen.

Some people have a bad misconception about Wild Game. You know, they think that it smells bad or taste bad. I think it's taste. I don't like deer. Really? I don't like deer. I like Buffalo. I think it's how it's prepared.

I guarantee you, if you have. deer from someone who prepares it well. Do you eat duck? Yes. Yes, I do. We try to eat, we try to cook some duck. Yeah. It was horrible. See, this is what we're talking about. No, I think it's just how you're preparing it. Really. I don't know. I do know this. Mr. Chowell's got some of the best duck I've ever had. Right. Mr. Child's in Los Angeles, Beverly Hills. Yeah. That's where I eat duck. Fantastic duck. Yes. Yeah. Now that's good I think they probably do a better job of preparing it. That's all it is.

We tried to do the rue. The rue that you cooked duck in. Yeah. It ended up looking like tar. Right. Do you guys, but do you know how to cook? Well, we thought we did. We found that.

Is your wife a good cook? Is your wife? Yes, she is. Anthony Bourdain went on this duck hunt with these guys and cooked the duck for them because they were complaining that duck doesn't taste good. and he got mad at them. He's like, listen, listen, listen, don't say that. It's not that duck doesn't taste good.

It's just you don't know what you're doing. And on the show, he prepares it for them. And they're like, this is fantastic. Like, that's how you're supposed to prepare duck. It tastes really good if you do a good job. Mr. Charles got it down. Yeah, they do. They're chefs, professional.

But my wife and I, we got it out of the computer. Oh, okay. You got a recipe. Yeah. So we got, a friend of mine sent us five mallards. Right. I think we got two of them out because we didn't know what we were doing. Do they cook down and you don't have a half a bird or what?

I don't know. So you got to make a rue, right? You know, the sauce. Right, the sauce. So we got the big pot out and we're putting this in, that in, this in, that in. Now you heat it, get it this and that. Then you stir, add this and that. And we stir and we stir it.

And the more we stirred out, I end up looking like a rubber tire. It was horrible. It was seriously. But Terry, I want you to think about it this way. Imagine if someone learned how to play football from YouTube. Never played football for it. Oh, let's figure out how to play football. We're going to watch a YouTube video on how to play football.

And then they went out there and had a fucking terrible game. They looked like shit, right? That's the same thing as like you learn how to cook from a recipe if you don't know how to cook. Have you, I've got a book out called the Brachell family cookbook. So you can cook? Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I don't cook stuff like that.

Make a root. Now my son-in-law, you meant Noah? Yes. He's a world renown. Not a world-renowned, but he was, he's number one, voted the number one chef in Dallas. Oh, wow. Yeah. He's from Hawaii.

What restaurants do you cook out of Dallas? Hams. He, he, they hire him. Oh, okay. Does that make sense? Yeah, sure, sure. They hire him. He does these, goes out and cooks for companies and people.

Okay. Amazing. Matter of fact, I called him yesterday after church, and I said, I got some, I always mess up pork, pork chops. I love pork chops, but I screw them up. And he said, what's got temperature at? I said, 3.50, said, 20 minutes, take them off. That's all I needed to know. Perfect.

It's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, you just got to learn how to do it. Yeah. But it's not that the duck taste bad. Here's the bad thing about it. I know my banker. Who's the one I got the ducks from?

His name is Drake Mills. His name is Drake. Drake, and he has... And he has ducks. He's a duck hunter. But his name is Drake. Drake. Yeah.

That's kind of crazy. I know, but he's serious. How ironic. Serious duck hunter. Serious. He plants 500 acres of rice. Oh, he's serious. Okay.

Then he's on the phone with me bitching. It's 80 degrees. Ducks don't. I mean, they are coming in an 80-degree. Right. His rice and he's got water issues. Does he know how to cook duck? I guess.

I never, he's never asked him if I want to eat any duck, but I asked for some duck. He told me one day he had plenty of duck. And I said, well, tell me how we don't shoot stuff, but I like duck. So he sent us five duck, ducks, you know. Mm-hmm. And that's so. So that's what you cooked. That's what I cooked.

his ducks. Did you ask him how he cooks it? No, I don't think so. No. Probably shut up. Probably a good idea. Well, I mean, the book. Right. The book, come on, Joe. Yeah, books are okay.

The book says a quarter of stuff. Really the right way to do it is to learn from someone who is a really good show. I got to take a break here. This is pretty dang good. Have you had any more? I have. Cheers. We need to bump again. Let's go. I'm tell you when this is over with. Let's go.

You'll be sitting over there and I'll be sitting over there. Let's try it. It's got quite a kick, I'll tell you that. There's a lot in there. You can tell it's 135 proof. Oh, it's good. But I think duck cooking, like, I've heard people say that wild game taste bad. It's the best tasty meat in the world.

It's just how do you cook it? You eat turkey, wild turkey? I've had wild turkey. Dang. Oh, but you're crazy. It was delicious. I mean, the only way wild turkey, you eat squirrel. I've had squirrel.

Yeah. Now, see, I grew up on squirrel. Now, you tell my wife that, or you tell any of my kids that, Oh, God. This is a lot like chicken, right? It's a lot like chicken. Wouldn't you agree? Your stand-up comedian.

Is that a funny? No, it's kind of chicken-like. It's almost like a... Squirrels taste like chicken? Well, it's not like a red meat. You eat the brain? I have not eaten squirrel brain. Yeah, none of the brain.

I've had lamb's brain before. Yeah, my uncle Vinny used to cook it. He used to slice up... They used to sell it in the grocery store in New Jersey. They'd slice up a lamb's skull with the brain inside of like sliced in half. and they put two halves on the grill, and they would cook lamb's brains on the grill. Hey, I was like 10, I don't know.

My brother and I used to fight over the squirrel head. Now, I don't want to... The squirrel head used to fight over it. I don't want to gross out our viewers out there. But we... You take them? You take them and you hit them with a spoon and rip it. Whoa.

Crack it open. Delicious. I mean, now would I eat one today? No. How old were you when you were doing this? I was, I know at least 15 up to 15. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't think anything of it.

Brains are sketchy. Like, eating brains can get you in trouble. Like, that's a... Can I honestly say this? Is this the first interview ever done where brains, eating brains has been brought up? Probably not. Oh, not.

Have we talked about eating brains before? Yeah, for sure. We have? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, well, I'm not special. I thought I'd be special today, but evidently not. I think we talked about it in terms of what mad cow does. is. Mad cow disease comes from them feeding cows, cows. It's basically the same disease

that cannibals get. Yeah. I'm not familiar with that. I know about mad cow disease. They got another one going on right now in South Texas. Some kind of disease. Oh, the screw worm. Screw worms. Yeah, yeah. Bruce told me about that. New World Screw worm. Me, you, horses, dogs. Yeah. Yeah. It's apparently a huge problem. Yeah. They had it in America, I think, in the 80s and they pushed it back. They got rid of it. So hopefully they can get rid of it again, but it's apparently a really dangerous parasite.

Yeah, it's a parasite. I mean, I got in trouble one time for seeing people were having during the COVID thing. They were taking Ivermectum. You may have taken Ivermectin. And I gave that. I didn't know any better. I thought I knew, but I didn't know. But Ivermectum, I used to give it to the cattle.

Right. Yeah. And I had a, not speaking of brains, this is true. We were in Hawaii, I run into a brain surgeon. And he says, are you okay with the COVID thing? And I said, I had it, got over it. You know, I'm all right now. And he says, well, he says, boy, I tell you, he said, I'll take Ivermecta man.

I said, brain surgeon. And I said to him, obviously, I said, really, you, it's a cattle dewormer. Ivermectin kills parasites. So I just left it at that and I walked out and I went, I brain surgery. I never could rationalize that kind of thinking, but, you know. Well, you know, Ivermectin won the Nobel Prize for human beings, for use in human beings. No, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's good for yellow fever, dengue fever.

it's an anti-paracetic that also has antiviral properties. I didn't know that. Obviously, I wasn't as well informed as you are. Yeah, well, I got in trouble for it. So did I. Well, I got in trouble publicly, like on CNN. The White House talked about it. I got over caught.

You don't know the story. And for the people that know the story, I'm sorry, I have to repeat it. But during the pandemic, I got COVID. And me and Dave Chappelle were doing a show in Nashville and I had to cancel it. because I had COVID. And so I made a video saying that I feel better, but we have to cancel the shows.

I had COVID. I was sick for a couple of days, but now I'm fine. And I explained all the stuff that I took. I took a bunch of stuff, monoclonal antibodies. And one of the things that I took was Ivermectin. So it became this huge thing on CNN because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. So they had all these different people saying

that I was taking horse dewormer. Well, human medication prescribed to me by my doctor who also took Ivermectin, also got COVID, also got better. And he didn't take all the stuff that I took. I took a bunch of stuff. But they changed the color of my skin. They made my skin look green on CNN. Like, no bullshit.

Oh. No bullshit. They AI'd you. They literally put a filter on my face to make me look green. They would put a cow's head over me. I honestly did not know that a human inside. It takes Iver Macon. He was actually invented for humans.

I actually didn't know that. And I'm thankful that I didn't argue with anybody. And he wasn't the only one that told me that. Well, the problem was that was a narrative that was all over the news, is that it was horse dewormer. And if you're a person who works with animals, with horses, or cows. I only knew is cattle. It is a dewormer. But that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medicine.

No, well, they use penicillin on animals. They also use penicillin on humans. It's like, it's medicine. We're mammals. We have similar medicines. That's what Ivermectin is. It stops viral replication. And that's the benefit that a lot of people.

But was it proven to stop? Was it proven? There's a ton of studies. There's a lot of people that have written books. I'm not the guy to talk about it. But there's a lot of evidence that the reason why they were not telling people to take hypermectin is because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. And I got one over here.

Thank you. But the reason why they wanted to get everyone to get vaccinated is not because it was effective. It's because they wanted to make a lot of money. And that's what they did. Always. Well, when you're talking about drugs. You're talking about a lot of money. A lot of money.

A lot of money. So that's why it's ironic that you brought that up because I got caught the crossfires of the Ivermectin bullshit. And see, but I, you knew more about it than I did because. Well, I had to find out about it. Being a farmer, it's all I used it for. That's all I used it for. It's very effective as a deem-womer. Yeah.

But it also stops viral replication. But I wasn't going to take it. I don't care if they had said this is, I wasn't going to take that. You wouldn't take it even if it was prescribed to you by your doctor? Well, that would be a different story. Right. Well, mine was prescribed to me by my doctor. I'm married to a doctor and my doctor said, we're not taking him.

Really? But I took, you know, I'm one of those guys that if they say, I mean, when I got COVID, I was sitting in my dressing room at Fox. Felt fine. We got tested every Sunday morning We got tested And they came in and said You gotta go, you gotta leave

What happened? Oh, you've got You got COVID I'm like, did you get sick? No Oh, now here's the thing Okay Here's the thing

The question that came to mind later Was Okay, the guy that drove me over here The guy that's going to take me to the air How am I getting home? Right Do I stay here in the hotel for 10, 12 days.

That was my dilemma. What do I do? But I did get sick. You get eventually? I did, yeah. You got real sick? Took me about four days, and I got real sick. Yeah.

Did you do anything during those four days where you taking vitamins? Nothing? No. Why not? I don't take vitamins. What? Really? No.

How come? You're married to a doctor? I never have taken vitamins. I don't know why. Really? No. Even when you're playing? No, now I take B-12 shot.

Okay. Well, that's a vitamin. Myself. You give it to yourself. Yeah. Intramuscular? Yeah. Okay.

A little tube. We'd take it after practice. I just had them in a big bag. We'd take them. Okay. That's good for energy. Yeah. But there's a much.

Hight, tired. But no. Sure. Well, other vitamins too, though. I don't have a problem with MRI machines, pet scans. Surgery. Now, I got a bad hip right now. I'm telling you, Joe.

It's killing me. Yeah. And I got it injected. With stem cells? Well, no. I don't do stem cells. Why not? I don't believe in.

themselves. You don't believe in them? No. But you believe in that little baby Jesus? Absolutely. Oh, yeah. This I do believe in. Go ahead and laugh. Joe, you don't want to laugh when I got baby Jesus pointing out. You better cut that laugh. Listen, bro. If you and I go fishing, I'm going to beg you to point that baby Jesus my way. No, no, no, no. I'm going to give you one. I got hundreds of these. If we go fishing, I really want to point my way. I believe. Yeah. I believe that little baby Jesus works. Oh, it does. My question is, how come you don't believe in stem cells?

I had too many people based just on people that went and did stem cells and what happened they went back and did it again okay did it again right then what happened what happened they went back and did it again okay

then what happened what happened they went back and did it again got it okay right why did they keep going back because it didn't work okay didn't work at all same symptoms came no no no it worked for a little bit right well what are these people dealing with what's wrong with them They're going back and back and back. Mostly knees and ankles. Okay.

So you're probably talking about arthritis. Yeah. Probably talking about degenerative knee conditions, ankle conditions. So the amount of damage that you're trying to repair with stem cells, you're going to get a little bit of benefit in something like that if it's that far gone. But stem cells work. I don't, you know, good. I'm glad. I'm glad they work.

You do stem cells? 100%. What hurts? I had a rotator cuff tear that completely went away. Now, that's at least a year. That's what you say. At least a year. I had a full-length rotator cuff tear.

Okay. I got stem cell shot into it. A full tear. Full tear. My doctor told me I 100% was going to need surgery. I went to an orthopedic surgeon that the UFC recommended. So they sent me to their guys. If I finish this, Joe, excuse me.

Please go. But if I finish this, I'm probably going to believe you. You don't have to believe me or not believe me. I'm telling the truth. So I went to this doctor. He said, you have a full length. rotator cuff tear, you're going to need surgery. He goes, you could rehab it if you want, you could try, maybe make it a little bit better,

but ultimately you're just putting off the surgery. So I get this stem cell treatment in Vegas. Dr. Roddy McGee hooks me up with the stem cell treatment. And then six months later, he gives me an MRI and he says, the rotator tough tear is completely gone. He goes, I've never seen anything like this in my life. He goes, it's gone. Literally the tear doesn't exist anymore. You had baby Jesus in your pocket.

No, I had science. All right. Hey. It works. You'd be silly to ignore breakthrough science like this because there's a reason why so many people are doing it. The reason why so many people are doing it is,

look, it's not a miracle. It's not going to fix things that are unfixable. Like bone-on bone arthritis. It's not going to fix that. That's what I'm doing with. But it might reduce some of the inflammation and give you at least temporary relief, which is why these people keep going back again and again and again.

When I got cancer, I had to do certain treatments. And I have rheumatoid arthritis. Now, if I were still in my rheumatoid arthritis medicine, which I haven't been for three years now, I probably wouldn't be having the pain that I'm having. But you can't take the rheumatoid arthritis after you have radiation. And so do you want to risk that? Plus I kept getting all these cancer things. So you had two types of cancer, right?

You had skin cancer? and Merkel cell, which is 2% of America has Merkel's cell. Both of them, the bladder cancer was, I went to a doctor in Dallas. He checked me and he says, well, you got a little blood in your urine, but that's fine. That's normal or something like that. And I kept complaining, man, it went on. Finally, I told my wife, I said, boy, something's not right. So she researched and found the best doctor was at Yale University of Yale.

So I went up to New Haven, Connecticut for testing, went in, exploratory biopsy, came out and said, you got bladder cancer. Wow. It's a funny story about that. Funny story. There's nothing funny about cancer. But the last time I got divorced, you ever been divorced? No. Okay.

Good. Good for you. So the last time I got divorced, my wife calls me in, she says, I need for you to sit down. I don't love you anymore. I want her divorce. Oh, all right. Ended that story. Right.

So my wife's, the wife's sitting outside after they get, she gets the reports. I didn't know she got the report. She says, honey, I need for you to sit down. I ain't sitting down. I don't want another divorce. That's the first. It's flat into my head. The last time I heard a woman tell me, sit down, I need for you to sit down.

My ass is out of there. at five o'clock that afternoon. Oh, yeah. Boy. Hey. That's a lot. Yeah, that was, I wouldn't sit down. She said, she said, you got bladder cancer.

And I said, all right, all right. At least we're not getting divorced. I can deal with bladder cancer. I can't deal with another divorce. You want to hear a crazy story about stem cells and bladder? Let me ask you something. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about stem cells.

They made a bladder for this woman out of stem cells. She had some sort of a bladder issue. I don't remember of a. cancer or what it was, but she had to have her bladder removed. They made a completely new bladder for her out of stem cells with her own skin tissue, put it back in her body, and now that's her bladder. So stem cells work. Did that make the news? Yeah. Oh, sure. There's articles written about peer-reviewed papers on it. No, she has not been here, nor has the doctor that did it, but I'm aware of the story. It's like putting it in a bowl and you grow it in a bowl and thing. I don't know how they did it

because I'm a moron, but someone very smart. I'm totally a moron when it comes stuff like that. Someone very smart figured out how to make a bladder for this woman. But it works for you and you believe it or who am I to? What do you mean believe it? Like she's got a bladder now. No, if you believe what, fine, but I mean, I mean, fine. That's good.

Listen, if you ever get injured, holler at me, I'll bring it away as to well, get to some stem cells, and then we'll have another conversation afterwards. You're like, wow, it fixed it. We're not arguing here. No, we're not arguing. No, we're not arguing. No. But I just.

There's real. reasons why these people travel to Tijuana and go to these different places. And they die in Tijuana. What was the great actor that went to Mexico to have all the stem cells done? Who did that? He was the ghost. What was his name? The actor.

He went to Mexico and died? Two actors went down there for stem cells. When stiff cells first came out, you know, they wouldn't do it. Remember when they wouldn't do it in America? Yes. So they were going to Germany and they were going to Mexico. Yeah, Germany was a lot for regenerine. Yeah, they were going for different procedures.

Because I know Fred Couples was going to Germany. Well, I mean, Kobe Bryant went to Germany. Peyton Manning went to Germany. They went to Germany for regenerine, which is like a very, that's not stem cells as much. That's something. What is it? It's a very advanced form of platelet rich plasma like PRP. It's like PRP, but it's way more effective.

I had that done too. That cured a bulging disc for me. Now, one of the things they're doing now, and I don't know what it is, I don't have we got on this, by the way. Stem cells. Yeah. But cancer is now, what's it called? When you go in, they spin your blood, and they then put it back in you.

What is that called? Do you know what it is? PRP? That's what we're just talking about, platelet rich plasma? Then rich it and put it back in? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Interesting. Look. There's a, well, there's a bunch of different things. Plasma foris. It's another thing they take the plasma out. I don't know why. And I'm not sitting here. I'm not sitting here saying, hey, Joe, you're crazy.

All right. You did it. You wouldn't be the first. No. You did it. You believe in it. It happened for you. You know, all right.

I don't mind taking a shot. I'll take a shot all day long. Okay. You put anything in your body with a needle? Anything? Not anything. No. I mean, I'm pretty careful about it.

Yeah, I would hope so. Yeah, I don't just try it out. No. Let's see what happens. I put this in my body with a needle. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's, look, I got a sister-in-law, this one that's totally this way and I'm totally that way. You're one way, and I'm, and that's good.

That's what makes the world around. What does the sister-in-law do? What do you mean? What does that mean? Is she a liberal? No, absolutely not. Very much Republican conservative? Conservative?

Yeah. Okay. So how is she different than you? What way? Well, if it works and I think it's going to work, I'm not afraid to try it. Right. I was, I was, when I got diagnosis with rheumatoid arthritis, and I'm laying in a hospital, and they take me and they isolate me. Isolate me.

Because they didn't know what's wrong with me. Test, test, test, test. Boy, I'm in hurry. Then to go in and do, I want to say stem cells. I want to say it because that's the first thing that comes to mind. Went into my knee and I sat in the hospital for two more days and felt fine. And then they released me and I went home. And I was home one day.

And in the middle of the night, I'm screaming and hollering in pain. My wife, she gets up and thank God I at that time I owned a plane. so I could get on the plane and get back to Florida and got down there, and that's when they found out I had rheumatoid arthritis. And they had to bring a specialist in to find out what the hell was going on with me. So is it only the knees?

Yeah, only the knee. Okay. Only the knee. That's where the knee. I never, there's no rheumatoid arthritis in my family. None. You can't find it anywhere. But isn't rheumatoid arthritis systemic?

Don't you, when most people have it, don't they have it everywhere? That's what I thought. Well, yeah, but look it. But if you have it in your... But look, this finger's just turning, that thumb's just now turning. My hands, right now, because I'm not, I don't take any medicine, the only thing that hurts in the morning before I take, I take a... Do you take Cellebricks?

Do you believe in Cellebrates? What is CLEBECD? CLEBOR. No, I don't take that. Okay, I take it inflammatory in the morning. That's all I can take. Okay. I take anti-inflammatory.

And that makes, that takes about 80% of the pain away. It doesn't hurt anywhere else. Now, my hip is, you know, starting to kill me. My ankle was killing me. How many years did you play football for? 14. 14 professional. That's four, that's high school, junior high, high school, college, professional.

And I played back in the 70s when, I mean, come on. Yeah. I mean, it was tough. Back then they shoot you up. You know you're going to play. That's how it was. You're going to play. When I pulled my stomach muscles and they were shooting me up before the game.

And then at halftime, I'd get shot up again. What were they shooting up? I'd torn the oblique. You tore your oblique and they just made you keep playing. They didn't make me. I wanted to keep playing. What were they shooting you up with? Cortisone or something?

Stuff. I don't know. Stuff. Tough, I don't know. Joe, I'm not a doctor. Come on, man. Are you a doctor? Hey, let me just say this.

I can play, all right? I get it. I didn't have a problem with it. Okay, it worked. Scary. You don't want your legs up in the air and some doctor coming in there and didn't give it a thought. Okay. At all, you know, just, it's kind of the way it was.

It was the unspoken bravado. Got it. Yeah? You know that. Football players, they back in the, can you imagine the 50s and the 60s? My goodness. Jeez, Louise. Well, what year did you start playing professionally?

70? 70. 70? 70. 70. Wow. Yeah. I'm 77.

Wow. You're what? 50. 58. 508. Almost 59. Yeah. I'm 77.

Yeah. Wow. So I just didn't think anything about us said, well, how did you get used to all that? I grew up with it. When you grow up with it, it's normal. Normal. Yeah. It's all part of the, you play.

And as a quarterback, I think back then or any time. Quarterbacks play. Coach has got to know that he can rely on his quarterback to be out there and no matter what. And I even had one coach say, hey, you always play hurt. You always play hurt. Yeah, I do, don't know, shoot me up. Block it. Shoot me up with stuff.

Yeah, let's have it. Stuff, yeah. Yeah. You don't ask what it is. You want to hear us. We played Cincinnati one year, and the night before the. the game, there's a lineup of players going into a room

to be shot up. Whoa. Yo. Yeah. It's just normal. And you don't know what they were shooting them up with? Well, we played, didn't? I told you stuff. And you didn't think anything

of it. Nobody. Right. It was just normal. Normal. Normal. You got to play. Yeah. He's a doctor. Hey, it's part of the you know what everybody is. You know, Did they have steroids back then? Yeah. They did.

I just didn't. I didn't know why one player was built like Atlas. Skin, tight, muscles, bulging. Didn't know anything about it. Howie Long, you never had Howie on. The Howie's amazing. No, I've never had Howie. Howie's amazing.

Now Howie tells this story. He was a rookie defensive tackle, no, defensive end at this time. He lined up over our tie-in and Larry Brown, whose arms were this big around, and he had like a 22-inch waist, massive legs ripped, every muscle. You could see the muscles in it. It's the most gorgeous body on a human being you've ever seen. And he put his arm down, you know, getting in position,

and how he lined up over him and how he tells us how he's the best, and how he goes, you've got to be effing kidding me. He said he'd never seen anything like that. So I'm not saying Larry did steroids or anything like that, but he was some men's... But he might have. Might have, I don't know. He might have.

Some people were. Yeah. What year did steroids enter into sports? Well, I think it came... I think it became an issue after the 70s, correct? Well, it was an issue in the Olympics. And one of the things they were noticing was Eastern Bloc women. They were very...

Hey, I'm going to do an interview. Okay, Nancy. They were very womenly. Yeah. They seem to, and then those women reported about it. They talked about it back in the day that they were forced to take steroids and it ruined their life. Not good for you, that's for sure. Especially for a woman to take hyper male, for sure.

You and I could probably sit here and talk about certain athletes that had such a body change. All right? Yeah, for sure. And go. You know, you've got to be kidding me. Yeah. And then I think rightly or justifiably so, it was probably due to steroids. We wouldn't want to say that. Wouldn't want to mention that. I'd say it. Yeah. Yeah. But I know a lot of guys who have taken steroids. Especially because of the early days of the UFC, everybody was taking steroids. Yeah. You can't. And pride in Japan, everyone was taking steroids. Not everyone, but most people. A lot. Rampage didn't. But there's a good percentage of people that did. I found out, what you found out later, that steroids are not good for you.

They soften the tendons, the ligaments, and then all of a sudden these athletes start having problems. They start getting hurt. They start getting hurt. Start getting hurt. I think what happens is the muscles are too strong for the tendons. Because tendons take too long. They don't grow at the same pace as muscle tissue does when you're on steroids. They don't have the same sort of circulation.

I don't know the dynamics or the physics of it. I know the muscles get big, but the tendons don't grow to match the muscles. Exactly. It takes longer for tendons to strengthen. Tendons don't have as much circulation. They don't have a good blood supply. That's why it's so hard when a tendon gets injured to heal. So what happens a lot of times is these guys develop these massive muscles,

and they can move so much more weight, but the tendons haven't really caught up to what the muscles can do. And a lot of times these guys wind up blowing out tendons. I mean, that wrestling bunch, I mean, every one of those guys looked like an Adonis. Oh, yeah, especially back in the day. Hey, Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger. Was there? Yeah.

Well, he's open about it. You know, he took a lot of stowards. You know what? We know it. Someone say it. Yeah. We're not stupid. Well, that's a sport where it's required.

If you want to be Mr. Olympia, there's no way to get that kind of a body without steroids. It doesn't exist. What about the, what about the WrestleMania bunch? You were part of that? I'm sure. I wasn't. I wasn't a part of that. Not at all?

No, no, no, no. Okay. No. But I'm sure a bunch of those guys probably take it too. That's how you get big. You know, and if you're a wrestler and you want to be on wrestling, if you want to be a professional wrestler, you want to be this hulking figure, there's one way to do it. You got to take steroids.

You know, it's not a normal physique for someone to attain. And you don't get tested for it. Yeah, exactly. That's why the early days of the UFC, there was no testing. And then when it started getting sanctioned, then we were tested by athletic commissions, and then eventually the UFC realized we've got a real problem where these guys are figuring out how to beat the athletic commissions testing because it's only one day.

So it was really more, they would call it an intelligence test rather than an IQ test. Yeah. And so then they started using USADA, and USADA would just randomly test people, and then they started catching people. And that's when physique's really changed. Yeah, I, you know, that year, I'll say it,

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They should give them all steroids. It's the only time baseball's fun. I'll tell you what. It was, uh, yeah. The viewers were tuning down. A hundred percent. Yeah. The Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa days, Barry Bonds, yeah.

Barry went from 185 to, uh-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yeah. I met Barry when he was normal-sized. when he was like a normal athlete and then he just got giant. But also, he was a great baseball player first. First.

And then you give him all those steroids and now he's got all this muscle and he's just cracking him out of the park. Those are the good old days. They should have looked away. They should have turned their head away. Boy, I'll tell you what I'm saying. I don't see nothing.

Everybody should have shut the fuck up and let these guys take steroids. Let's go. Do you like home runs or not? Let's go. That's from Joe Rogan, ladies We'll be back in a minute The problem is, it's the Great American Pastime

And you don't want to associate the Great American Pastime With what people think is cheating Yeah, that's... Look, there's guys that didn't need to do it To be in the Hall of Fame And they're getting barred from the Hall of Fame That's true. Barry's one of them, Barry was a great player with that.

Fantastic player. Mark McGuire. And so was Sammy Sosa. Yeah, didn't need it. No, I don't, maybe they didn't think they'd be noticed, maybe they didn't think it'd get caught. These guys got giant. I don't know how they didn't think that people would notice. They got, they got enormous.

Yeah, for sure. But, you know, hey, it is what it is. I mean, it was a fun time, though. Yeah. Fun time for baseball. You know, I remember people asked me and said, you didn't know your guys were on Star Wars and hell that moment. I didn't know what Star Wars was. I remember one time I was at the Hall of Fame.

That was the question that came to me about steroids. I didn't know any better. I said, well, hell, everybody takes steroids. I took steroids for this, you know, but not antibiotic steroids. Right, you took cortisone. Yeah, I didn't correlate the differences. One guy comes up to me, you idiot, it's there's two types, at least that we know of. And I didn't know.

That's actually fun. You know what? Let me tell you the truth. Tell me the truth. I'm glad that I was blindfolded. I'm glad my brain didn't function like that. I'm glad I didn't look at anybody and go, what's the own? I just, hell, I just, they're lifting weights, brother.

They're just lifting weights. God bless them. You know? Well, that's a good attitude to have. Yeah, and then they say, well, your team was on steroids. Well, if that's the case, wasn't illegal. Everybody was doing it. Right.

Not only that, but let's be realistic. most teams were on steroids because you're professionals and you want to do your best and if you got a bunch of guys and the way they can do their best is to be as strong as they possibly can be they're going to take steroids

especially when it's legal. Yeah, it's just... You don't want to say it was a product of the times but in essence it was. Well, every time the times change when there's something effective that comes along like steroids

you're going to have a bunch of people that want an edge and there was a time where people thought of creatine like steroids right? Yeah. Creatine is a very beneficial supplement that everybody should take. It's great for your brain.

It's great for mitochondrial function. It's great for muscle. I heard blueberries are good for your brain. Blueberries are good for your brain. Frank O'Harris used to tell me, Brad, are you eating a lot of blueberries? I said, Franco, you're not going to believe this, but I buy blueberries all the time because of you. It's good for your brain. Good for your brain.

They are. And I love brewberries. Yeah. A lot of antioxidants in them too. Yeah. Yeah, blueberries are just great period. But, you know, when you're doing things for your body, when you're a professional athlete, of course there's going to be a bunch of people that are on steroids.

Like, if you want to get bigger, that's the way to do it. Like, what are we doing here? Do you think they do it today? Do you think they don't do it today? That's the real question. I asked you. They definitely do something. They do whatever the fuck they can get away with.

Do you see how big these kids are coming out of high school? Well, there's also genetics. Like, people change. Well, kids nine days are eating better. training better, eating better, training better, more nutrition. Exactly. Exactly. They're huge.

They're huge. You know, I think my, I think my offensive line in the 70s average about maybe 260. Wow. That's like a hundred pounds difference in today, right? Yeah. Now you're love with these coaches, my offensive line this year going to be six, five, 372. And you go, whoa. Now can they move?

And then they'll say something like, but God. Quick feet. Okay, got quick feet. I love quick feet. It's crazy when you see some of these guys doing the 40. Bob, you've been on the sideline? I've watched videos. I haven't been live.

Go to the sideline. Go to the side line. Seven feet tall, 440 pounds. That is crazy. Look at that. Seven foot 380. Oh my God. Look at that.

As an eighth grader, go back to that picture. As an eighth grader, he was 6 foot 10, 450 pounds in fucking junior high school. Junior high school. Yeah. Desmond Weston, Desmond Watson, 464 pounds, heaviest player.

Wow. Oh, he's in the NFL. Yeah, NFL history. 464 pounds. That's so big. Here's what I'll say about my guys. My guys could put on their pants and nothing rolled over.

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. They were flat-bellied. They were in shape because we ran a... We ran a... Our game was all about motion, traps and specials and leads and stuff like that. They had to run. They had to run, and they ran.

And if they were 400 pounds, you're going to pull this guy at 400 pounds? I mean, so I'm... If I were coached today, just my thinking, what I wanted to be. want. I want an athletic guy. I don't want a big guy. I don't want a guy that you go, all right, we're going to do gassers. Billy John, William Earl, y'all go ahead and go on and get shower.

They're on $3.80, whatever they can't. They can't run gassers. Right, right, right. They can't run gassers. Right. seen in the NFL that I've walked by before the game started, and I turned to Howie. Howie's always, we're always together. I went, holy.

Isn't there a utility, though? Isn't there a value, a function of a big giant dude that maybe can't run gasser's but can stop a play dead in its tracks because you're running into a brick wall? Right. Maybe he's only got to go five yards. That's what I'm saying. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. But that wasn't how I was brought up. Right. That wasn't what I was taught. But obviously you're a fan of the game still and you still watch the game. How much has the game changed from when like 1970 your first year in the NFL? We're talking about it. But like big.

But would you imagine that the guys from 1970 would fit right into today's game? Oh, no. No. No. No. No. No. The size.

Joe Green made the Hall of Fame at 275. Wow. 275. Jack Lambert, 218. Edminton linebacker. Hall of Famer. How big was Jim Brown? his prime. Jim Brown? I never played against Jim Brown. Right. It was before your time. How big was Jim Brown?

Probably 220, maybe 215? Isn't that crazy? Yeah. So I always say sizewise. We can't do it. And then, of course, you want to really get into it, then talk about money and stuff like that. But size wise, size wise. Now, I will say this. The wider seers, the quarterbacks, the running backs can play today. And probably the tight ends. But then when you get, my, centerweight 252. And I always say since I'm in the cattle business, I'll take a little young bull. I'll take my Angus bull over your Charley Bull anytime. Your Charleigh bull is going to be, or Semmintosh, it's going to be huge up off the ground.

But my Angus Bulls is going to get under him and be able to control him with technique. Wait a minute. You got bulls fighting each other? Is that what you're saying? No, Joe, you're not listening. I'm trying to listen. You're okay. You get some rest last night.

I did. Okay, good. Fully rested. But you got a big bull. Right? Yeah. Got a big ball. The little bull can get under him.

He's already got the leverage because he's under the big bowl. Got it. The big bull's got to get down to get leverage on the little bowl. He's got all the mass and the weight out numbers. Sort of like Mike Tyson in his prime. Woo! Right? That's a bad sucker.

Bad as it gets. Bad. Bad. Bad. Bad. He came in a restaurant. I was in and he saw him and he came over and he pulled up a chair. There was an owl.

And I'm sitting over here next to the wall. And then there's dinner chairs here. He went over, he pulled up a chair, slid over, blocked the aisle, and we talked about Johnny Aninas for an hour. Wow. Mike Tyson. That's pretty cool. Well, he's a giant fan of all kinds of athletes.

You know, I mean, that guy studies, he studies warriors and athletes and former generals. Really? Oh, he knows so much about Jenghis Khan. Me and we had this long conversation. He knew his original name, which is Temugin. Jenghis Khan. Yeah. I did. I knew a lot about it. Well, not a lot, I would say, but I got pretty obsessed.

There's a guy named Dan Carlin. He's got a fantastic series called Hardcore History. It's a podcast. And he had this series on Genghis Khan called The Wrath of the Khan. And that got me obsessed. That opened up the door. And then I started reading books on Genghis Khan and watching documentaries. And I got obsessed. Yeah, I'm a huge documentary guy. But he knew so much about Genghis Khan. He knew his original name, which was Temogen. He knew his whole story about how he was born with a blood clot in his hand. Mike knew everything about it. Yeah, Mike studies, like, conquerors, you know? He's like really, yeah. He's a very smart guy. Yeah, that people would know that. Mike is a very interesting guy. He's not, he's not what people

think of. He's not, he's think of Mike Tyson's being this like mindless destroyer. Now, he's very intelligent. And you ever, you ever, you ever, you ever, you ever think about why do, why do athletes I have an image, my image was the dumb guy. You ever have, you ever asked yourself a question? Why is your opinion about Mike Tyson so different now since you interviewed him? But prior to that, that wasn't out in the press, was it? No, I mean, maybe later in his career, but you'd have to, you'd watch a guy fight like that and he fought so brutally. And if you weren't a student of boxing, you wouldn't understand, like, the amount of thinking that has to take

place to get that good. Like, it's not just that he's just running at people and punching them. He's bobbing and weaving. He's being incredibly elusive. He's shifting his weight to the left and shifting his weight to the race. He's cutting angles like a middleweight. He's doing things to these guys that they've never seen a heavyweight do before. And he also was a giant student of boxing.

So his manager was a guy named Jim Jacobs. A short guy. He was like 5-11 in his prime. There you go. There's the bull. There's the bull issue right there. like 20-inch neck. I mean, he was a tank.

And he, his manager was this guy, Jim Jacobs. Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian. And he had all of these old film reels of everyone, from Jack Johnson to Stanley Ketchell to Jack Dempsey, like all the old-time fighters. And Mike would watch those all day long. So he would train and they would watch these guys all day long. So he had an access to film footage that most fighters,

all you could see is the guys in the gym and the guys that you saw fight live back in those days in the 80s. There was no VHS tapes. There was no real tapes of boxing that you could watch back then. This is when Mike was like 13. So Mike was 13 years old and he's watching

film of the greatest Sugar Ray Robinson, the greatest boxers of all time. Willie Pep, Rocky Marciano. He's watching all these guys and absorbing their styles and figuring out like it takes intelligence to do that. Like it's not a, that's not what a dumb guy would do.

A dumb guy wouldn't see, oh, when he does this, it's because of that. So he can avoid the counter and duck underneath and hit him in an angle where he can't hit him. Beautiful. I'm going to incorporate that into my training and figure out how to find those patterns in scoring. I always thought, because you hear a counter punch, do you know how hard it is, and I'm not a boxer? But when someone, you watch their training and then, in the, you know. and then they're like, when he does this counterpunch? Uh-huh.

Do you know how fast that brain has to work for you to counterpunch? Oh, you have to be lightning fast. Lightning fast. And you have to have trained it a thousand times. You want to be hit all day long in the face and the stomach? It's a tough way to make a living, but so is football. And especially back when you guys were playing when they would just shoot you up with stuff. Well, it was different for sure, but not boxing?

Holy cow. I met Muhammad Ali one time. I was six three and a half. I'm six one and a half now. And I was looking up to him. And I'm sure he wasn't any taller, but I was looking up to him because I was so impressed. And you know,

we had a great first time meeting. He was a fan of mine. I didn't know it. And was like, that made me great. And I went to a couple of banquets that he was at. And he had sent notes down to me to come down and say hello to him. Well, you know, I've got to bother him.

And I'd go to him. Hey, champ, how are you doing? Terry Bradshaw. Yeah, yeah. Have you heard this one? He'd tell me a joke. A joke. That's the last thing I expected, you know, from Muhammad Ali.

Yeah, but I loved Muhammad Ali. That was an incredibly, incredibly intelligent guy. And also the first guy to figure out how to get attention by talking. And we hated him for it. I didn't like him. Did you like him? I loved him. I didn't like him.

I was younger. Yeah, I didn't like him. I grew up in an era of respect. Right. You respect your opponent. You don't say anything bad about them. You give them all the praise when it's all said. You respect your opponent.

You don't show boat. You don't do anything. You don't run into the end zone. You don't do this. You respect your opponent. And that's the way that I was raised. And actually the way I was coached. And I had a hard time.

I had a hard time, a hard time when Billy White Shoes Johnson of Houston would get in the end zone, he'd start doing that dance and everything. I don't like it at all. And Billy White Shoes is a good dude, you know. But I didn't like it. I just don't like any athlete drawing attention to himself. If you're playing tennis or golf, okay, that's one thing because it's you. But when you're playing a team event, everybody,

Somebody else had to do that job too. Right. I just had a hard time. I see what you're saying. Yeah. In a team sport. But in boxing, boxing is just one-on-one. But you still didn't like it even in boxing.

Pragging. Yeah. Now I look back. Now, of course, I love it now. Yeah. But he knew what he was doing. Well, it's psychological warfare. Yeah.

That's what it is. I mean, he had Sunny Liston so confused before he fought him. He would show up at Sunny Liston's house and like the middle of the night and stand on his lawn and scream at him. Yeah, he was just fucking with that. guy's head. He was climbing inside of his head and like making sure that all day long he's thinking about him and he also thought he was a legitimate insane person. Like the way he was acting, he was not acting like a rational person. So he was worried all the time. So he's like worried that you're around this insane person. Well, you ever see the video where they met? You better be

listen if you can do if you can do that and back it up, which he did he did, then I tip my hat to you. Did you ever see the video where they ran into each other at a casino? No. So Sunny Liston was at a casino. I think Sonny was playing cards, and Muhammad Ali back when he was Cassius Clay, came up behind him, and he starts ranting and raving and saying crazy shit and get, and Sonny pulls out a gun. Oh. And shoots it into the air and everybody scatters.

It was a blank gun. But he anticipated that Ali was going to do that to him. So he said, I'm going to scare the shit out of this. You think you want to play crazy? Let's play crazy. you can find that video Jamie the video's amazing it's amazing because he just pulls this and then he shows he like shoots here it is put your headphones on real quick grab these headphones yeah pull it up bring it back to the beginning drawing a gun son oh yeah the whole situation finally came to a head

when clay approached liston at the desert inn in las Vegas yeah the champ was shooting craps and losing Liston was in no mood to be harangued by the mouth from the south. Drawing a gun, sunny fire, frightening his young tormentor into a hasty retreat. The man was filled with blanks. So he shot the gun into his jacket to show everybody that it was just a blank. That is crazy, though. So he was prepared. Isn't that funny, he had blanks?

That's crazy, brother. That's pretty smart. Is it? Yeah, because, like, you got this guy's acting crazy. I'm going to out crazy him. I don't want to shoot anybody, but I'm going to out crazy him. Give me a gun with some blanks. Well, Alex Baldwin had a huge lawsuit because he pulled out whether the gun was a blank and killed somebody.

I mean, that's... Yes, that was a problem with the person who was handling the guns. Yeah, exactly. What? Wasn't even sunny listen. What do you mean that wasn't sunny listening? That absolutely was sunny listing. It says it's from a movie.

Bro, that's sunny list. He said he was self, dramatizing retelling him. his own life, the man with the gun is an actor, not saying... Let me see that again. It was a movie set. What? That's what it says. So it's a recreation of the actual scene that happened?

There's no real footage of lifts and firing a gun at Ali. What? The dramatic clip circulating online, the one in nearly every rare footage post is a scene from a 1977 film called The Greatest. Oh, I saw that movie. So let me see it again? Can I see the video again? That's crazy.

There you are. That's crazy. I would have swore that's Sunday Liston. You're listening to a narrator talk, and this one even has a narrator over narrator. Wasn't Sunny Liston bald? No. No, Sunny Liston wasn't bald. No? Oh, that isn't Sunny Liston. Well, the video's so blurry. All right, there you have it.

Wow, that's not Sunny Liston. Oh, my God. I feel like such a dumbass. Find footage of Sunny Liston training. So he was, back in the day, he was the skishton. scariest heavyweights. Sunny Liston was the guy. He was... When he in prison? What's that? When he went to prison? Yeah, he went to prison. But it was the way he won the title, the way he knocked out Floyd Patterson, it looked like Floyd Patterson had no business being in there with him. He was that good, that good and that big. And a lot of people going into that fight thought Muhammad Ali had no chance. They thought

that he was going to get killed because, you know, Ali was a very good fighter who was up and coming, fast, really fast with his footwork and his movement, but everybody thought that it was just a matter of time before Liston got him. That's crazy. I recognize that guy, that actor. Is that the actor that was in Magnum P.I?

I think it is. The actor's name is Roger E. Mosley? Yeah, Magnum B.I. Aha! Look at you. Look at me. You proud of yourself? A little bit. I feel slightly better now, but I'm ashamed that I didn't realize that that wasn't actually Sunny Liston.

So find some footage of Sunny List and Training. Even on this, some of this, I think, has already got some AI footage in it. Oh, really? Well, there's footage of him hitting the, there's Sunny. And this footage of Sunny hitting the bag, and he would just put these holes in the back. He had just murderous punching power. He was such a dangerous guy. And everyone was scared of him back then.

You know, because he was this towering, hulking figure, Dr. Wadiotty had massive hands. And, I mean, he would brutalize his sparring partner. I mean, Sunny Liston was putting people away. I mean, he, look at the size of his hands. Just gigantic hands and tremendous power. But, you know, Ali figured out a way to just fuck with his head. It didn't even look like the punch that took him out was even that big a punch. That's the second fight.

That's the Lewiston-Main fight. Yeah, that's the fight when they fought in Lewiston, Maine. And that one is very tricky because in that. So he would hit guys with jabs and have them rocked. His hands were so massive and his power was so extraordinary. You ever boxed? I did some boxing. I did it one.

I did it one time. I did it one time, but I didn't do any like sport boxing. No, no, no, kickboxing. Oh, you get that. Bad enough you hit me with your fist. Don't kick me with your feet. I don't want any part of that, but I box one time, one round. Yeah.

And I said that. That's it. That's it. Yeah. Again, it's like cooking. It's like cooking duck. It's something you've got to learn how to do. You can't just jump in.

think you're going to be good at it. Yeah, well, I wasn't good at it. Not only that, I don't want to be hit. Yeah. Yeah, not fun. Well, back in the day, and your day, the way guys would treat getting hit, if you got hit, there was no, like, take a game off, get evaluated. No. Nothing.

Concussion protocol. Hop right back in, son. Are you awake? I played against the Minnesota, no, the Miami Dolphins in a playoff game. And I got knocked out. And I mean, knocked out. And I guess I came two in the fourth quarter. I went back in.

Played pretty good, too. Wow. Not bad. Lost the game, but, yeah. So you got knocked out, woke up, and then they put you back in after you woke up. Well, I, something like that. Wow. I went out in the first quarter, I think.

I scored her on touchdown, kept it, got knocked out, and came back in the fourth quarter. Yeah. Different. Different. Different. Oh, yeah. Nowadays, if a player gets knocked out, how much time do they make them take off? They're going to a tent, and now you have a concussion guy in the booths representing the NFL,

so they'll tell you to get him out. Right. And they go into a tent and they get evaluated, more than likely. If they've been stunned, they're not going back in. How much time do they make them take off before they let them play again? But they have to get evaluated every week, so it could be. What is that? Little baby cigars.

So when you don't want to finish a big one? Oh. Little tiny ones. They're little Monte Cristo's. Oh, okay. I like these sometimes. All right. So, but when they do that, and these guys are, um,

K-O'd today, if they get knocked out, do they have like a 30-day rule? No, it's not 30 days, but they do go, it's a week, it's, they go in, they keep getting evaluated and, uh, they have to, you'll have, you'll have some guys. There's no set timeline for discovery. There you go. Well, for recovery, rather, players must progress through these graded exertion phases without any increase in symptoms. Symptom limited activity prescribed rest with limited physical and cognitive activity transitioning to light stretching and monitored light aerobic exercise. So with the UFC, when a guy gets knocked out, generally athletic commissions put a hold on them like it's a 90-day hold.

And then some of them have like 60-day, no contact, so they're not even allowed to spar for 60 days. If you get knocked out and that brain gets rattled like that. The best game I played in high school, the best game I played in high school. A guy by the name of Larry Brewer, I fumbled coming out of the pocket in high school against Mendon High School. I'm rolling to the right, and I think the ball hits my leg, and it hits the ground, and it's going, boom, broom, and I'm chasing it. And about the time I get to the ball and get my hands on it, and I pick my head. up, boom, out. Out.

I don't remember anything. And then I'm back in the game, and I mean, it's the best game I played in high school. Joe, dead serious. Best game I played in high school. Maybe I wasn't worried. I don't know. That's what I was going to ask you. It's crazy.

I went if that's it. Listen, I went, I've been to a couple of clinics just for, just for, just for, brainwork just to get checked out yeah all the tests that they could possibly do extensive test because i was having trouble remembering did i open the gate did i open the gate this morning right right where i put my teeth i'm sure i opened the gate and i pushed the button and when the button's green the gate is moving and then it goes red it stopped i mean it goes yellow it stopped then i push a button it goes red it's holding it's staying open six times i'm remember remember six times and I'm like, did I push this button?

Then I remember, okay, something's wrong. Someone got checked, yeah. How long ago was this? Years ago, years ago. 30 plus years ago. And did they do something for you? God, did they? No, I don't think so.

I don't think anything came from, I remember testing. I got tested and found out I had ADD, which was not a shocker. but was a shocker because I think everybody has that. Yeah, yeah. Everybody's any good at anything, has it? Yeah. Creative people have ADD. Creative people and people that are like really into one thing.

Yeah. Like full on into it. Well, they said, well, you're focused on this. Yeah, but when I'm fishing, I'm focused. Right. When I'm showing horses, I don't have a problem. I'm focused. But if I'm taking geometry, you're going to check.

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. No interest. Exactly. No interest. Yeah. So that. If I'm learning something I'm not interested in, I have no focus.

I mean, you've got to sit here and study all this stuff for all these different people. Right. And I know you've got to be interested in them. You have to be interested. Yes. You've got to be interested. I think there's people that don't have a problem being interested and they can study anything and God bless them. I'm not one of those people.

I have to be interested in what I'm talking about. You had Bradley Cooper on. Love Bradley Cooper. Yeah, he did. He's awesome. The brain guy, the Adam Baum. Oppenheimer? He was in that movie?

Well, he directed it. That's right. And he was in it. He was, he directed it, right? No, he did. He did he? No, he didn't. He didn't direct it.

What's that? That's right. It's Christopher Nolan directed. But Bradley was in Oppenheimer? Yes. Yes. What was his role? He's been at so many things.

Wasn't he in Oppenheimer? No. Okay. Oh, my bad. What are you thinking of? The music guy. Yeah. He directed that and starred in it.

Oh, yes. Oh. Yes. phenomenal. I was trying to agree with you. I was like, what was Bradley and Oppenheimer? I haven't seen Oppenheimer in a couple of years. I was just checking to see if you were paying attention. That dude who played Oppenheimer, Cyril...

He won an Oscar. Did he win an Oscar? At least he was up for him. Cyril Murphy, right? That guy is phenomenal. What? Sillian Murphy. Sillian Murphy. He's phenomenal in Peegee Blinders.

Anybody that connect has got my attention. because Cooper, Bradley's... Well, real acting, right? Real acting. Real acting. I've done some sitcom acting. That shit's pretty easy. And you were probably Joe, right?

I play Joe. And I'm Jerry Bradshaw. Exactly. I've done like five movies. And he was like, oh, man, you're not. No, no, no. I'm no actor. But like, you know, Daniel Day Lewis type acting.

Whoa, that's him? That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. That's Bradley. My God. And he was... He was...

He was amazing in that movie. Isn't that crazy. crazy that can make it look that realistic. That is nuts. Leonard Bernstein. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Did you see the movie?

That is amazing. I did not. When you had him on here, did you tell him you saw it? I did not. I would have probably. I was like, oh yeah, I saw it. No. It's like I had a guy we went back to high school and met the assistant trainer for the first time in years.

I didn't know his name. And this buddy of mine, oh, you do me? Get over here. I'm like, he knows this. And they're going on. Give me, give me a hug. Give me a hug. You son of a gun.

And for why he did this, I'll never know. He goes, what's my name? What's my name? He said that to him. What's my name? And I'm over there and I'm like, oh, my God, this is hilarious. That is hilarious. He didn't have a clue.

He'd have a clue. Well, he probably forgot if he left the gate open, too. You know? Give the guy a break. May have. Give the guy a break. But still. You know what I do all the time and I'll tell people this?

What? Look, I don't, what's your name again? Joe? Joe. Hey, I may ask you again what your name is. And then I may ask you again, but I'm going to get your name right. I don't want to sit here and not know who you are. People get mad at that.

I don't think people should. I don't think they should get mad at that. I don't think you go to get because here's what I'm telling. It's just a thing that happens to people and it definitely happens to people that meet too many people. Do you know what Dunbar's number is? No. Dunbar's number is a number of people that you can keep in your memory. Because we evolved in tribal societies of small groups of people.

Where are you getting all this? I just remember things. Somebody tell you this? Somebody, oh, definitely. I didn't study it. This is Dunbar's number. So the max amount of relationships a person can maintain. Oh, which one are you?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, where are you? Where are you? Where are you in the five? Well, you are zero. Your patient is zero and five are the people that are very close to you. So that's your support people. Okay. And then 15 are your sympathy group.

They're not quite as close as like the closest people to you, but they're pretty close. I don't have 50. I don't have a close network of 50 people. Then you have a personal network of 150 people. You have 500 acquaintances and then 1,500 people. and then 1,500 people that are recognizable? You know what's funny? I'll make this bad habit.

We all have bad habits. My bad habit is, oh, he's a friend of mine. I know Henry Winkler. I know Henry Winkler, too. I did a movie with him once. He's a great guy. Sweetheart. And my wife says, and I'll say, I have his number.

I have his number in my phone. And I do have Henry's number. But I'll say, well, so I'll say, oh, because I've met them, I automatically associate them with being my friend. I do the same thing. Yeah. It's just my wife will say. When you talked to them last?

Well, I haven't. These people haven't talked to for years and years and years. There's still my friends. Yeah. I like a lot of... I'm a friendly guy. Yeah, I like a lot of people. I do.

But in my circle, we all surround ourselves. Our best friends are people that we have a lot in common with and we share common values, common likes, whether it's horses, cattle. My whole world is horses and cattle, horses and cattle. The people that booked me for speeches are dear, dear friends of mine. Howie, dear friend, Kirk Menafee, dear friend, different, different. I work with him. I love being around him.

I tell him I love. I have a habit of telling you, I love you. Joe, I love you, man. I love you, too, tell you. I love you, man. I do the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, okay.

See, do you really love them? I do. Well, it means, no. What it means is, I like you more than I just like. You're just, I love them. I'm elevating you a little bit here. And my wife is so smart. She's just like, you really got their number.

I said, yeah, I got their number. And their friends are yours? Yeah, they're friends. When's the last time he talked to? Well, I hadn't talked to him in a few years. Hey. But if you're friends with a lot of people, sometimes you can't be communicating with everybody all the time. There's friends that I'm friends with. If I see him, I'm going to hug them,

but I haven't talked to him in years. You ever, you ever told someone this? You ever told someone this, hey, you know what? Before you became really famous, we used to be really close and now we're not. You ever said that? No. You ever? Okay, I have. So before, when they're famous or you're famous? I'm, Joe, I've been famous a long time. Long time. Long time. Yeah. Long time. Long time. But I've actually, my problem is, if it's a problem, is when I like somebody, I really like them. That's a good problem.

I like being with them. Yeah. And then you don't ever hear from them. But if you text them, they fire right back. And after a while I'm going, why am I the one starting this relationship? Why am I? And I take it personal. Do you really?

Yeah, I do. Okay. Yeah, I do. I'm sensitive about stuff like that. I mean, if we swap numbers today before I leave, and I'm going to text you and say, hey, man, how's it going? How's the wife? How's the deer? How's the elk hunting?

How are you doing? Fine. And we get along great. And then two or three months ago, I haven't heard from Joe. Hey, Joe, how you doing, man, it's good to see. I mean, how you doing? Oh, so you get upset of you're the one always initiating. I don't want always initiate.

I understand. I want someone else to feel the same way towards me. That's insecurity. I know. I just finished this book. and the whole thing is I'm always looking for people to like me as much as I like them, and that's not always the case. Well, you're a very friendly guy.

I am. Yeah. I wish I weren't. Why? I don't know why. I like being friends. Let me tell you a funny story. You want a funny story?

Here's a funny story. So when you get diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, you get put on steroids. You get a balance of steroids in your body to find out what holds off the pain, because you've got to block the pain. And so you go on a 90-day trial and error. So I'm doing, I do the steroids and I'm eating my ass. Boy, I'm eating everything. I can't sleep and I'm eating.

I'm doing a good job of eating. And I'm working out twice a day. Are you kidding me? And I blow up, man. I put on like 60 pounds. Whoa. Huge. Go to Hawaii.

My wife and I are in. Kmart. Nice Kmart. It's closed now, but it's really nice Kmart. So we're in there, we're getting stuff for the house and stuff. And we get, we're going down the aisles and people look at, hey, Terry, how you doing? You know, I'm doing good. You know, I'm a little puffy right now.

I'm on stair roads. I put on quite a bit of weight as you probably can see. You know, I'm a little embarrassed, but, you know, it's going to get it balanced out. Oh, yeah, sorry to hear about that. Hey, Terry, how you doing? Well, you know, I'm a little puffy right now. I'm taking, you know, I'm on steroids. They've got rheumatoid arthritis.

You have to take steroids and get the balance. And I do this without even thinking about it, Joe, three or four times in Kmart. So we walk out, get in the car, my wife, my wife, who loves me to death, says, honey, honey, honey, listen. When people say, how are you doing, Terry, they don't want to hear about steroid. They don't want to hear about rheumatoid. They just want to hear. How are you doing? They don't care.

They recognize you, and they're just happy to meet you. They don't care that you, you know, whatever. I'm like, am I really doing that? She said, yes, baby, you're doing that to everybody. I was so embarrassed, Joe. I'm like, oh, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm doing that. We cross the highway and we go where? Brand new target, massive target, awesome target.

You know, yeah. Now, you don't shop at these places, but I do. I shop at Target. Do you? Yeah. I love Target. You go to Walmart? I've been to Walmart.

I love to. I've been to Walmart. It's been a couple of years. Well, I live in St. Joe, Texas, in Walmart. We get dressed up and put a suit on when we go to Walmart. That's nice. Anyway, so we go to Target. My wife's daughter and told me, so we go to Target, and I'm pushing the buggy, and we're going down the aisle.

Hey, Terry, how are you doing? How am I doing? I said, man, you're not going to believe you this, but I got rheumatoid arthritis. And I've been taking steroids, and I'm really put on a lot of weight, and I'm really puffy. Now, I stand up, Joe, no kidding. And I lean down, and I pull my pants leg up where my sock is, and I push my sock down, and you can see that giant indenchant from all the fluid that you're holding. Right.

And when I put my hand down, and I see that reek. I started laughing. I can't help myself. I just started laughing. You big idiot. They don't give a shit if you got rheumatoid start. I was so embarrassed, but I just couldn't help myself. I just started laughing.

Caught me. Caught me. Well, you're just a genuine guy. Yeah, what are you going to do? There's nothing wrong with that. No. Nothing wrong with that. No.

I'm not apologizing. Yeah. But sometimes you just want reciprocation. I do have it with that. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. But it's way better. to be super friendly than the opposite.

Is your wife super friendly? She's friendly, yeah. She's friendly. Yeah. Is she friendly as you? Yeah, she's pretty friendly. Can you go anywhere in Austin? Yeah, I mean, you talk to a lot of people.

You don't talk to people, but most people are really nice. So it's not a problem. Yeah, most people are just happy to see you and say hi. Hey, how you doing? Shake your hand. Yeah. Give you some knuckles. Yeah.

Take a selfie? Yeah. Yeah. Take a selfie. Yeah. I like selfies. I mean, I don't see what the problem is. There's no problem.

There's nothing wrong with that. You're just a friendly guy. But that Dunbar's number is what's going on. Like, that's why you can't remember people. That's really all it is. I mean, you think about, you're Terry Bratshaw. How many people have you met in your life? You probably met a million people.

Like literally a million people. But if you were in bad shape right now, you've got people you'd call. You got a handful you could call? Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. You really care about you? you? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But that's how everybody is. Like a handful. You have a handful that you really care about. And you know what? To take care and nurture your friendships that are really close takes effort. It does. And if you 15 or 20, you don't have any time, man. You wear yourself out. I think we all, we start here and we. Yes. Yeah. Well, there's also some people that disappoint you along the way, unfortunately. Oh, man, love, are you kidding? Yeah. That is. Have you ever, have you ever, have you ever? Have you ever?

just throwing all your trust and love into your buddy. And then that sucker, 15 or whatever, and just boom. Some of them. Yeah. You go, whoa. It's been a long time since I've had that happen, but there's some people that just don't make it along the way. And then I'm the first one to say, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I didn't mean that. I'm sorry. And then they don't take your apologies and they bring it up again. I'm sorry. Look, I told you, I'm sorry. I know. Then they do it again. Look. I said, I'm sorry. And then hang up. That's it. Well, some people just don't want to be happy. And some people, they don't. And they actually enjoy being in conflict because conflict takes them away from thinking about all the things that they need to correct in their life. So they always like to be in some sort of a situation where there's some sort of a dispute or someone wrong them or something's disrespect. or something.

Yeah. It's just distractions. Most of it is distractions. It's a personality flaw. This just happened yesterday. Did you? I'm not going to mention their name because they're... Okay.

So I tell this person, they had a stallion of mine, a young two-year-old, and they were showing it and they did a great job. I brought the horse home. Horse wasn't going to be good enough to go to the World Show, which is the Super Bowl, but he needed another year of growing training. So I brought him home.

Crazy about these people. Been with them years. I mean, the trainer was my first trainer ever, and I spent 40-something years ago. Anyway, so I'm over there. They came to church. I got him to come to church. I was singing in church last two weeks ago, and they came. I asked them, come, I'm singing in church.

And they said, okay, great. They came to hear me sing. They loved our preacher, and they said, we're going to come back. Well, they came back yesterday. All right? They came back, yes. We have a meet and greet during the service, and I got up, and went over, oh, man, it's great to see you. And not even thinking that they had had this stud for so long and did a great job.

I said, guess who came by the house the other day and saw the barn name for the stud is Bradley? And saw Bradley fell in love with him. And I sent him home with him. He's going to show him. Oh, Bub, it wasn't pretty. got mad, got real in church, got mad, got upset. And I just cold chills went over and I went. I got to thinking, what did I do?

What did I do? What did I do? And then I got to thinking, I took this horse from them and I gave it to another trainer. And they got this horse looking as good as he did. They got him going. Now I'm giving it to a competitive trainer. And I'm telling him, hey, yeah, he fell in love with him. I said, sure, take him home with you.

It hurt them. And it was obvious that they were very, one of them was really upset with me in church. And so preachers up getting restarted and I had to go get back in my seat. And then one of my told Tammy and my wife, I said, holy cow, man, I just hurt their feelings. I mean, they are upset with me because I sent this horse with some of the trainer. And I was like, God, I would have never done that. I would have never done that. Had I been thinking, I wouldn't have said a word about that, not a word.

But since they had had the horse, I figured it was no big deal, right? My horse, I'd do with it what I won't. Throughout the service, which was just a great service. I was picking up on what the preacher was saying. I found myself during that service, you ready for this? praying that God would help me go make things right with them because I couldn't stand the fact that I had upset them so much. So when the service was others and they were going, I went and grabbed that hand.

I'm so sorry. I want to apologize. I wasn't thinking. I made a huge mistake. You're my dear friends. I just don't, you know, you're, and I feel like I made it right, but I had to go and make that right because it just killed me. But that's great, Terry. That means you're a good guy.

That's great. I hope so. Yeah, no, you're a great guy. That's a great thing to do because you care. If you didn't care, if you were like, ah, screw them. Oh, I run my service. That's because you're a good guy. to church.

That's because you're a good guy. That's because you're a good guy. I really believe that. You wanted them to feel better. And I bet you did make it right. And I didn't do it. You didn't do it on purpose? Of course.

Of course. Well, sometimes people don't think, you know, I mean, some people. You ever done that? You ever gone to someone and say, hey, I went to a guy and told him a hundred thousand times how sorry I was. And I want you to know he was my best friend at the time. And we have not spoken sins. That's, now, now, hey, that's not on me. That's on him. That's on him.

Some people are not charitable and they don't want to forgive people. They like to be wronged. There's people that like to be in conflict with people. And generally those people, their life is a mess. That's generally not a balanced person. This guy's life not a mess, but I just. Well, why is it so touching? Look, if you tell, look, let's say you say something here today and it really upsets me. you're probably going to know it now that we've been getting in your process hey are you okay with this and i'm gonna tell you know no i'm not i'm not i'm not okay with that well then i would apologize that's what i'm yeah my point is and if you said something that pissed me off i would i think if you apologize i'd

accept it immediately too but you've already said i'm a good guy i'm not going to do that people don't mean people don't mean to hurt people's feelings for the most part some do some people But those people, you generally know that that's that kind of person in the first place, and you probably wouldn't be hanging out with them. No. But when you're close to someone, you love someone, you've got to have some forgiveness. You got to realize that people are human and humans make mistakes. When you've been friends for as long as I have been with this one person, I have another person. What was the issue?

Issue was I made fun of them on the golf course. That's it? Yeah. I make fun of everybody on the golf course. You know why? Because I suck. I'm bad Joe I'm bad now I love to play

and I love to play with my friends and have a simple little $5 bet and this is not much but I love to say oh nice shot you know It's fun Me Me I know I'm an asshole

Right You know the bad side of you right You know that you're bad side I know that you're bad side I know mine I know mine Yeah my wife calls it Roy Oh you have a different guy inside of you

What is that movie Um True Grit Primal fear. Oh, okay. Do do, do, do, do, do, do. And he looks at me at the end, you go, had me fooled. You go, holy cow.

So I took him the name Roy. So when I'm going into a dark area. Edward Norton's character? Was it Roy? Yes. I think it was Roy. That movie was great. Oh.

That turn at the end? Oh, did have you fooled? Yeah. Oh, I'm lost. 100%. I was like, what? I know. At the end of that movie, I'm like,

I'm like, whoa. That's another very smart guy. Edward Norton, I had him in on the podcast. Yeah, very interesting guy. Yeah, I find actors in general very... Well, the really good ones. Yeah, they are Cooper, I love. McConaughey, I've done a movie I love.

He's great. Great guy, too. Who else doing? Also very smart. Yeah, very smart. George Foreman, we did a show together called Better Late Than Never, never got to know him in two years. Never got to know him in two years.

Really? Never got to know him in two years. How come? He totally didn't associate with any of us. We had lunch. He'd sit over here with his son. Had dinner, he said over here with his son. It could be, I would only guess that he's shy.

He didn't like the fact that we drank. He didn't like the language that was used because he's a preacher. Right, right, right. And I asked him one time, I said, George, how big is your congregation? He said, 120. I said, really, how long you've been doing? I think he said something, maybe 20 years or something. I said, because I've been taught as a Baptist and as a preacher, your congregation grows, right?

Right, right. Right, your congregation grows. And I said, so how many 120? I said, oh, wow, it's a small. I said, you build and you grow, and he said, no, 120 is enough. And I went, 120 is enough? I said, so, George, when do you start? You start preparing your sermon.

You start on Tuesday like most preachers? No. Oh, you don't, so when do you start preparing for your sermons? Wednesday? No. So when do you start preparing for your sermon? He says, when I stand up to preach, God tells me what to say. Wow.

Okay. You're going to argue with George Foreman. I'm not. But that one like, all right, brother. Yeah, I'm not arguing. But yeah, he was, I wanted to get. get to know him. He was friendly, but he was just... It was blocked, yeah. Well, he's also another guy that's been famous for a long time.

A long time. He's probably figured out how to block people out. And also, he went through that dark period when he quit fighting for 10 years and, you know, the losing to Ali, I mean, that was very hard on him, you know. He knew better when he lost the thrill in Manila. He knew better. It was a rumble in the jungle. Yeah. Okay. Well, that was in the... They both rhyme. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They definitely rhyme. Well, that was Don King, right?

Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. He knew how to promote a fight. But he knew better. He told me that the hit that I took was nothing. But he said I was so tired. Yeah.

And I went, you're kidding. He said, yeah. He said the hit was nothing. Nothing. But he went down and he just, thank God I'm down. I can get some hair and get some breath. He was definitely exhausted. That was a strategy.

But he knew what was going on. But he thought with his power he'd break a rib or something, you know. Well, he had so much power. Oh. I mean, when he fought Joe Frazier, he lifted him off his feet with a punch. I mean, he was extraordinarily powerful. Quick? He hit so hard.

Yeah, George was... How can you be that quick? I mean, that big. Yeah. Well, that's his job. Impressive, man. Oh, he was very impressive. I mean, that Ali fight was so crazy.

That was another fight where Ali was expected to lose, just like the Sunny Liston fight. Yeah. And it was such a upset that Hunter Thompson flew to Africa to cover it and didn't go to the fight. He wound up just drinking and floating around in his pool and blew off the fight because he didn't want to watch Ali get knocked out. Really? Because Ali was his hero. And he messed it up because he was supposed to be a journalist for Rolling Stone at the time. So they flew him over there to cover that fight.

See, you threw out your intelligence on me, throwing me a curveball, because I'm going, Hunter, okay, yeah, okay, who's Hunter? I had no idea who that guy was. You don't know Hunter S. Thompson is? No, why would I know him? You never heard of him? The Gonzo journalist, Hunter S. Thompson? No.

Very famous journalist. Is he in the Quarter Horse Journal? No. The Angus Weekly? No. No. He's the guy from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Do you know that?

You never heard of that book? No. The movie that Johnny Depp did, Fear and Loading in Las Vegas, where he played Hunter Thompson. He did write that about horses. The Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved. That's one of his best works. Really? It's a fantastic story. That's Hunter Thompson. When I first got into the cattle business, my wife, ex-wife, and I went to a big cattle sale.

To your point about me saying, I don't know who he is. Now, I just played it off, all right? I didn't want to embarrass myself, but then I got to think of, I don't know who this guy is. Now, you answered who he was, but I didn't care. I get it. So I go to this cattle sale, this auctioneer and I, this auctioneer is out there and he wants to meet me, Terry Bradshaw. So I got my ex-wife there, the auctioneering, a couple of his ring stewards, you know, and we're sitting there talking. So I asked a simple question.

So tell me, Mr. Oxenier, what do you make the most money on in auctioning off stuff? Terry, we're really hitting a home run right now with limousines. Limousines Let's see My brain I'm at a cow auction Right And he's a cow auctioneer

Right He's not supposed to sell cars Right Cars When you think cars Limousines That's what I would have thought That's what I was about

I was about to say to him Oh my God You mean to tell me You sell cars And my ex-wife goes You mean to tell me That you sell cars And he goes

Oh, sweetie. And I'm like, ha, ha, ha, ha. This is the funny shit here, boy. That's hilarious. What a dumb ass. And he goes, no, honey. Limousine is a breed of cattle. Oh, that's a limousine cattle.

There's a limousine right there. You know what I like about this show? When you just think you're throwing everybody a curb ball, they throw it up on the screen. That's Jamie. Jamie, you're amazing, man. He's the best. When he's sober, he is numb dutter. serious.

When he's sober? When he's sober. You should see him when he's drunk. Oh, my God. Even better. But anyway, I thought, you know, I should write a book about some of these stuff. You should? I should.

Why not? I don't know. I think I got enough time? Yeah, maybe a documentary. Maybe just sit down with someone. I have them tell all these stories. Yeah, you think nobody would care about these stories? Sure they would.

Absolutely. Edit them up, do a good job with the editing? Should I start a podcast? Yeah. No, I don't think. Terry Bradshaw experience? I don't think so. No. No. You know what, Joe, listen, you started this 15 years ago or something like that, yeah. Do you have any idea it would be like this? No. No. So why do I want to do something like this when there's a million podcasts going on?

Well, you would only do it if you like doing it. I would not like doing it. Well, then don't do it. I don't want to, look, I got enough on my plate right now. Yeah, don't do it unless it seems interesting to you. Besides that, who's going to come on my show? A lot of people would come on the day. Terry Bradshaw show. I don't think so. I came on your show when you had a TV show. Did you? Yeah.

What show was that? Maybe you had a TV show? Yeah. Yeah, I was on it. I was a guest. When I had the Fox show, the... Whatever that talk show thing you did was. Get out.

Yeah. You were one of my star guests? I was a guest when I was on news radio. That was a sitcom. Yeah. Oh, well. I believe it was news radio. It was a long time ago, Joe.

Oh, I remember. No, you don't. No, you don't. Oh, no, no, Joe. Yeah, you were great, by the way. No, I loved you, man. You were great. We talked about limousine cattle. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, Hunter Thompson. What are you drinking? It was a hoot. It was a hoot. It was a hoot. Yeah. Yeah. That was a fun show.

I don't remember you. But you could do something like that if you wanted to. I mean, you could do anything if you wanted to. But you definitely would get guests if you ever wanted to do a podcast. I did a radio show once. How was that? It was good. It's good, but it was just hard to get people.

Really? Yeah. That doesn't make sense to me. I will. Where were you doing it out of? L.A. Oh, so many people in L.A. How's that hard to get people?

When I had my daytime show in L.A., I couldn't get anybody. Really? I got, um, Whippy Goldberg? One time. But you're laughing far. How is she? Was she fun? Yeah, she was the blast.

Yeah, she was. She was the biggest thing we ever had on the show. She's probably fun when she's on the View. Yeah. Well, yeah. I don't know about the view. All those hands get together. Oh.

Oh. I watched that show. I'm like, ladies, go outside, hug a tree. So I had whoopi. You know, I really, I had Charlton Heston. Now you're talking. How is he? Oh, fabulous.

Yeah? I couldn't, the show could, I could have done three hours. I was just fascinated with he was so nice. You know, is there anything worse, Joe, than thinking you, and I, I understand you won't bring people on here that you don't feel comfortable with. No, if I'm not interested in talking. Yeah, so I'm very honored to be here today. But can you imagine, can you imagine having people on that are just jerks?

Yeah. And are interviewing them? And it's like, oh, God, where can I go here to get something out of this interview? You know, it's just, God. It's just But, yeah But Charlton Heston I had Garth Brooks

Which was fabulous I gave him the whole I gave Charlton Heston The whole hour Just me and him It was That's awesome Kind of like this

He was amazing Yeah He was like one of the first Big actors That was like Publicly conservative Remember he was like He did the NRA

They caught hell for that Yeah Yeah Was he the head of the NRA At one point in time? No no It was a part of the NRA Part of it

I think he did something With the NRA Yeah Yeah. Yeah, he was huge. He famously was like you could have my gun when you pry my cold, dead fingers from it. Say, yeah, I'm, my brother has, I don't know how many guns. I'm going to do with all those guns, man, you've got to have guns.

I said, Gary, he's got those rifles that shoot 5,000 rounds in 10 seconds. What are those things called? AR 15. He's got five or six. What do you do with all those? You never know we're going to need a gun. There's a lot of people like that in this country. Oh, my God, they are.

Yeah. And I got a, I got a, what did I got? I got a bunch of guns, but I gave them all, everybody gives me guns. I don't shoot guns. You don't shoot guns at all? No. No? No.

My wife only let me put a gun by the bed. I've been, I've been, um, burglarized six times. Have you really? Yeah. Where do you live? I got shot at with a shotgun. This is how I can tell you that when it's, you're, get shot at with a shotgun, flames come out of the gun.

Flames. And I'm running in the backyard to get in my car. And this guy goes around the backside. Boom. And flames. And B-Beebies. And I get in the old GTO, 1970 GTO, yellow and black to old. Yeah, get her done.

Yeah, boy. This is nice. And I got in. But I'm used to pushing the button or pull in reverse you go down, right? I pull it down. I turn around. I hit the break. I go forward right and through the wall.

Realized you got to go one click. Yeah, it was not good, not good. But my wife won't let me keep anything. So where did you get burglarized six times? Rustin, Louisiana, Mansfield, Louisiana on my ranches, yeah. On your ranches? Yeah. So they came onto the ranch.

Yeah. How big was the ranch? And 400 acres at the time. Oh, so they had to do some driving to get to the house. And they had to go through the gate. The gate I locked. So how did they get in? And you ever, let me tell you something.

You were laying bed at night and it's 1 a.m. in the morning. And you feel the presence of somebody else in your house. All right? And a flashlight is going over your head and going through the wall like this. I can't even begin to tell you you you can't breathe and you don't and I'm laying down like this

and I'm flatten myself and back in those days you're too young to know this remember the, well, the princess phone you know what the princess phone is? Prince's phone? You know everything we've been talking about today you've been throwing all kind of shit up here

and you don't know what a prince's phone. Do you know what a prince? Are you saying Prince's phone? Princess. Princess. It's a phone. It was one of the phone. first push button phones.

You didn't have to... Okay. It's the princess. So I took my... Look at you. It doesn't... That's a princess phone, Julie. There you go.

Thank you so much. Did you know what that is, Jamie? No. No. Look, look, Joe, I'm laying in bed. I take my left hand and I slide it over to my princess phone. I take the receiver off and I take my fingers

and I go across the dials. And I dial, do to do, and I'm my uncle, who lives 200 yards away. I get the phone. Pull up to the microphone so people can hear you. I pull up. I pull the phone up. I'm laying back trying so you can't see me or anything. And I said, Bobby, I got a burglar.

He's at my bedroom window. He says, all right, I'm on my way. So I think the phone down and he goes. And you can see the guy, here's my uncle coming, and this guy takes off. and he chases him down through the pasture and he loses him out through the... I had another guy go through my house tearing up my kitchen.

Same place? No, different place. Wow. In college, tearing up my dishes in my kitchen. He was looking through the dishes? He was making noise. The only thing I could figure was the guy was trying to run me off. I was living in the Methodist parsonage

on the edge of town. Come to find out, this guy was looking at the end of town. living in the attic over the office. So the cops found all kind of paraphernalia, cans of food, beer up in the office. So the only thing I could figure is trying to run by that. He ran me off. Or he might have just been drugged up. I'm out.

I don't know what he was. I wouldn't have been on drugs. I've come home. I've come home twice and had guys running out of my house taking off. Same house? Yeah. Yeah. Six of these I had.

Jeez. You ever been shot at? So you were running away from these guys. What's his name again? I forgot this. Jamie. You can call him young Jamie. One more time, son.

I'm going to ask you what your name is. Okay? All right. One more. I told you three times, right? All right. I got you down now. So the same place.

Why did you keep getting broken into this one place? I'm not in the middle of nowhere. I'm Terry Bradshaw. They want to come in. Another guy came down. He stole all my stuff out of my garage, all the, all the, all the, the chainsaw, he got all the kind of tools and stuff that he could go and sell. Just wipe me out.

No security? No security system, nothing? No. I got dogs now. And now I've had, since Tammy and I'm 22 years now, and I got a guard dog. But I will not leave my wife at home. my wife my wife and i'm 22 years have been apart two days i will not leave without my wife what kind of guard dog did you get german shepherd i got him from wayne samanovitch in south carolina okay so you got a

trained i got a badass dog his name is legend then i bought him i got a female this year her name is we named her after the viking character freya ah fray the queen freya so i'm gonna read those because i'm tired of spending twenty thousand dollars for some old raise my a guard dog. Nice. Nice. And you know what's great about them? They're guard dogs.

You don't play with them. Right. You don't play with it. You don't rough them. You don't grab them. You don't tackle them. They do work. Those, they don't mess around.

Right. They don't mess around. They're serious. Yeah. They're serious. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

You got a dog? It sucks. Yeah. What do you got? I have a golden retriever. I love them. They're great. But he ain't guarding shit.

No, I know. You're probably. Hey, y'all, come on in! Yeah. There's ice cream up there. Exactly. We'll open it. We'll share it.

He'll let everybody in. Oh, I've got eight doxins. I have another dog that's King Charles Cavalier. Do you know what those are, the little tiny dogs? Oh, my God, he's so adorable. Yeah. He jumps in the pool, and he's just started, he's a year old, and he started swimming over the last couple months, and he gets so excited that he winds, like you think he's in pain or something.

He's talking. He's talking to you. Yeah, and he just can't wait to do it. jump in the water. Really? Oh, he loves it. Two of my doxins talk constantly. Oh, really? Oh, and this morning, I'm a little tired today because for some reason these two, these two, they sleep with me every night. Their names are Sadie Lynn and Baby Girl. One's a black miniature dachshund, the other one is an Australian Shepherd looking black and tan, you know, spotty. Oh, they are precious. But Baby Girl likes to get on my chair. When she's got to go outside,

She gets on my chest, put her chin right under my mouth. And I'll wake up. And I know exactly what I said. And I go, what time is it? And I'll go over and I'll get the TV control and I'll shake it so the light will come on. Oh, my God, it's 11 o'clock. You've got to be kidding me. I'll take them outside and they'll go party.

This is good. once normally a lot of times never but once max last night three times three times oh yeah one 30 130 oh what you got to pee again you gotta be kidding me uh so i slide to the right down off the bed these two come we go outside i'm so sleepy i sit on the steps and put my head against the porch pole and I'm like this their heads are in the doorway and they're looking at me like

what are we doing? I'm like you got to pee right? No, no, not really. I know it's so I go back at 3.30 here I go again and then they went to the bathroom but this is

you know so sometimes they just want to wake you up they just yeah I mean look I'm a dog lover okay me too I got 10, 10 dogs now. Do you really?

Oh, yeah, I got a... So 10 dogs and two serious guard dogs. Two badass dogs. Yeah, so those are not pets. Well, the one guard dog is badass. The other one's going to be badass. Yeah. And you know what?

When you live where I live, out where I live, I don't know where you live, but I... What are you doing? What is that? This is ultra. It's a neotropic. Do you know what that is? No. Essentially brain vitamins.

Because you don't swallow it. Because it's a pouch. Like a nicotine pouch, same kind of thing? Oh, it's like you've got a smoking addiction. Yeah, but it's not. You got a nicotine addiction? Is that what you're saying? This is not nicotine.

No, it's neutropics. Newtropics. Is that one of those things that you're into now? It's like brain vitamins. Is it like ivermectin? No, it's like nutrients. Brain nutrients. Sorry.

It sucks that you have to have. I couldn't help myself. Listen, we're not friends anymore. Yes, we are. I'm upset with you now. You'll never have to forgive you. Isn't that hilarious? Isn't that hilarious, though, that you could make fun of a guy playing golf and he doesn't want to be your friend forever because of that?

I was shocked. Yeah, you got off light. I had another friend. You got off light. Yeah, I had another friend. Another friend I spent four days a week with because, like I said, I'm playing golf and didn't have a job. We hung out. His wife and I went to dinner all the time, cooked out all the time.

And then one day, I thought, hey, we just recently passed away. So, hey, man, I got us a tea time for more at 1.30. Call me back. Nothing. Hey. Nothing. Two days, three days, four days, five days, a week, two weeks, a month. Nothing, nothing, nothing.

Never heard from him again. What happened? His wife didn't like me. Whoa. That's what I found out. His wife didn't like you. Yeah. What's not to like?

I'm a nice guy. Yeah, I don't understand that at all. Yeah, I think she's just jealous of our relationship. Oh, there's those kind of relationships. Guys and gals will do that. Will they separate you from your friends? That's a real fucking problem. That's a giant red flag right there.

That's not good. A person who doesn't want you having good friends, that's crazy. Yeah, I know. That's crazy. You know, I'm the luckiest guy in the world because I work for a network with four, sometimes five guys. and if you can put five big egos together and have everybody love and care about one another, I'm going to tell you that's special.

That is special. That Fox Show is so special. It is. You've seen this show, I assume, and we're just like a locker room. Well, that's how it's supposed to be. And we have so much fun. Yeah, and that's what people like watching too.

I think so. A hundred percent. Yeah. People want to watch people that actually are friends. Yeah, and we have giant fun. We had this one. I mean, you learn where you can go with your friends. Yeah.

All right? You learn, don't go here, don't go there. Which is fine. You want to make sure they're, because we're on live television. So you don't ever want to embarrass anybody on live television. So you learn where to go. And you build that trust. And then that trust, because you have the trust, you become, you bond.

You become, hey, how you're doing? Hey, man, I was this week. How's your daughter? It's great. How's your wife? Great. I mean, it's just, you just get the, everybody hugs everybody. Hey, how was your week?

I mean, it's, I can't even begin. The day that that show is over for me and I hope I die on set, which is I've always said, but I could just die on set. Think about it, Joe. Think about it. If I die on set, seriously? If I could just get a couple of words out before I go. I don't want to just, p.

It's one last good line. I really do think Dallas is going to win the Super Bowl. If I could just get something out. Yeah. You know? Forever. Immortal, right? Right.

Great. Yeah. So I said that's what, and that's the way I feel. I assume that's the way you do this show. You can't wait to do it. You should. This is awesome to get down and sit down with people from different walks of life, basically. Yeah.

Politicians don't agree with you, religious people, whatever. and you just sit there and you build this, you know, you get to know these people. You ask all these questions or in my case, I'm just jumping around here. That's what I did. Well, he hadn't asked me about this. I like a jump around. Is it Simon? Jamie.

Jamie, I told you. Jamie just, that's it. No, I got it. Oh, no. Young Jamie. No, young. Think of like Van Halen. Jamie's crying.

Whoa, well, Jamie's crying. Remember that song? Look, I got it here. Jamie. Jamie. Young Jamie. Jamie, you married? Nope.

Outta boy. Free man. Free? Ladies. How old are you, Jamie? Old enough. What do you say? I'm old enough.

What's that? What's old enough? Old enough to know. So how old are you, Jamie? 43. Hmm. Okay. Got a girl?

Not right now. Ooh, okay. He's free right now. Ladies. Young Jamie's on the prow. Jamie, you on the prow? Sure. All right?

There's a lot of good-looking women in Austin, Texas, Jamie. There is. It's a good place. You need some help. Good place to be a single guy. Yeah, let's go out tonight. I guess we need to move on, right? Yeah, let's move on.

But anyway, I'm so, in talking about that show, it just... Well, having a show like that where a bunch of people are really actually friends is so huge for the viewer. It is. You want to... Listen, do you want to turn on a show like that? Like pregame, come on, pregame shows. I watch them and I go, oh, God. Especially if it's stiff.

Shut up! Right. Shut up. Announce the guy's doing the game. Shut the end up. Right. Or when they're just sports guys that really aren't actually passionate about football. Yeah.

And you hear them talking, you're like, shh. You know what they're talking about? Stats. Yeah. They get it all right here. Yeah. And let me tell you something. Yeah.

I hate stats. I hate them. They're okay occasionally. If they make a real point. Yeah. But if all you got is, well, the fifth, you're on third quarter, when the wind's blowing out of the southwest, what it is? Yeah.

If it makes a point in a big, but otherwise. Right, right, right. I remember once, well, anyway, I was talking about all the guys. And I love telling this story on Howie. Howie is my best friend on the show without question. I mean, we are so different. He went to Villanova. I went to an engineering school at Louisiana Tech.

I got a college degree. Howie, I'm sorry. He didn't graduate. I'm sorry, Howie. Don't hate me for it. It's big asses. What you mean telling everybody I didn't grab? Hey, I love you.

I shouldn't have said, Joe, I didn't say that. Anyway, so we're doing this show. And when we had Jimmy Johnson on the show, Jimmy's great. Oh, Jimmy was awesome. So Jimmy's telling this story, all right? And Jimmy's, Jimmy tell, and it's a funny story. And Jimmy starts laughing. We all start laughing.

Strayhan. Ha! We're belly aching. That's funny. That's funny, Jimmy. Michael Strayhan's next. The director, we got it all worked out. It goes, Jimmy, Michael, Terry Howie.

Jimmy, hi. Yeah, Howie. So Michael Strayhan, He adds to that story, and it's even funnier. Oh, my God. Stop! Stop right now. Now, it's my turn.

Now, I've got to, I've got to, you're a comedian. You know, you've got to match it at least, right? Or do it one better. I'm adding to what Michael said to what Jimmy said, and we're rolling. Oh, God, stop. Oh, this is fun. This is killing me. Howie's turn.

How he looks at the camera. The outside linebacker for Seattle, Bucky Buckhalter, sprang his ankle in pregame warm-up, and he won't be starting today for the Seahawks. Jasper Julian will be in his place out of Kansas State. And we go to California. commercial break.

And I'm like, three, ha, ha, ha. One. I'm looking at Howie, and I'm staring at Howie. I'm just like this. He turns,

he fills me. He turns around and says, What? I said, you can't help it, can you? Help what? You know what I'm talking about?

No, I don't. What are you talking about? And I said, you're boring. I wouldn't have said it if I didn't know I could get away with it. Right. And for the rest of the show, he was hilarious because he said, well, you know, being boring, let me say. And it was funny. But yeah, it was, you can't do that unless there's trust. Right, right, right.

And Strayham, we made, the first day Strayhand was on the show, we gave him half a cake. He said, why am I getting half a cake? Well, you just got divorced. You lost the other half of her. That's hilarious. Well, if you can't joke around with people, that's no fun. No. That's not a good relationship.

Well, you better know who you're joking around with. Yeah, but it's like you can't, if you can't joke around with someone, like, what's the point? That's what people do. It's part of fun in life. You should be able to take a joke. You should be able to give a joke. You should be able to have fun with each other. You just got to know when.

Sure. I mean, friends know when. Sure. I mean, I, you know, I talk to Howie all the time, all the time. And his son Kyle just got signed with CBS for their Today Show, which is... Oh, that's awesome. Great. Great for him.

And he's good. Howie did movies for a while, right? Howie was voted the up-and-coming star. And he had these three young kids. And he says, I don't want to raise my kids in L.A. Where's the best place I can raise my kids? And they found a school system, Charlottesville, Virginia. He moved to Virginia and took his kid there and quit doing movies.

Good for him. Yeah. That's having your priorities together. I remember reading some. something about him talking about it, like his experience with movies, like he didn't like it. Well, he didn't like Hollywood. He didn't like the whole thing. He could have been...

Didn't someone hit on him, too? Hit on him? I think some guys hit on him. A guy hit on him? Is that true? Find out that's true. I don't know if I'd find that out. Yeah, maybe don't look that up.

Forget it. Don't look that up. But the point being... Simon. I mean... Jamie. Jamie. Simon, that's your new name, bro.

I don't think, Jamie, don't look that up. Yeah, don't look it up. I think I might have made that up. Or somebody might have told me to me. It might not be true. But the point is, like, he did a bunch of big movies. Yes. And he was on his way to being a big action star.

He was, action star. Yeah. I mean, of course, a giant guy, handsome. Good looking guy. Great body. Perfect for an action star. Yeah. And then just, I like it when a guy realizes, like, this is, you know, life is short.

He didn't want to raise my kids and, yeah. Also, it's just like you don't want to, you know, it's what you think that life is, it's not. Listen, it's also like 16 hours a day on scenes. I've done five movies and you've done, I don't know how many. And look, I don't want to sit around all day long and go in and deliver one line. Exactly. And here's the other thing. I'm not ever going to be a leading man.

I'm always going to be Terry Brachon. Right, right. And that just sucks. Seriously. You always want to be. Joe Rogan. No. No.

You would like to be given an opportunity to really act. Well, if I actually wanted to act, yes. Well, yeah, but. But, I mean, some people, they just don't like to do it. And I think with Howie, it was probably one of those things where they probably

offered him a bunch of money. It looks good on paper. And then you start actually doing it, and you realize, like, you're going to be away for five months filming this thing. He was away all year or one year doing a firestorm. And he was

filming in Vancouver. He was flying in on Saturday from Vancouver and leaving on a red eye to Vancouver and filming all week. And I think... Breaks you down. Three little kids. Yeah, it breaks you down.

It's not good for you, do you don't like it? It doesn't feel good. And I applaud him for that. And not only is he a great husband, great dad, he's a great grandfather. I'm a terrible grandfather. Have you got grandkids? No.

Why he terrible? I'm gone all the time and it's kind of like getting that job I gotta have a job I gotta go put a suit on if you have to travel you were saying that you give corporate speeches

like what do you do? What are those about? Species like what do you speak about? Well I'm talking to a bank Wednesday morning so I'm preparing a bank speech and what do you say to a bank

to a bunch of bankers? I know what, I know. It's about leadership? I know. Yeah, some of it's about leadership. It's about, it's basically all the things that I know, Joe, have to do with ambition, dreams, drive, goals, failure, overcoming failure, how to deal with failure, how to rise, how to deal with success, how to treat people. So it's a little bit of motivational, a little bit of psychology like you used early with me. When did you?

You know, you know when you did it. You know, right. Hey, Bernie, Bernie. He knows. And so I'll build it up for different kind of corporations. Yeah. So it's like kind of like a team building thing. They get together and you get to what they want.

Interesting. When did you start doing that? I've been doing it. 43 years. Really? Wow. I know. It's amazing.

That's crazy. And how did you get into that? I gave a speech in Destin, Florida for Frito Lai. And it was taped. And they paid me $5,000. And I was doing speeches for $1,800, $850. And they offered me $5,000, $5,000. Are you kidding me?

Go down there. And it's for Frito Lays. build this speech up and da-da-da-da-da-da. And they go give this speech, and the speech is really good. And they taped it, and they sent me a VHS copy. And my then-wife put it on one day and thought, oh, my God, this is really good and it's funny. So she found out where the bureaus were, who booked speakers? There were 10 really good ones.

And she sent this tape and a bio to 10 different. speaking associations. All right? We got that through Friend Tarkenden's company in Atlanta, Georgia. They're the ones that turned us on to it. So I'll come in, she says,

I've sent this off. I'm getting calls now for speeches. I'm like, what? She said, yeah, she says, we got, you want to do this, you want to do that? And all of them were for 5,000. Five thousand.

Are you shitting me? Five, I'm getting five grand. Five grand. I'm like, oh my God. Five grand. I'm like amazing so I started doing these speeches

for all these different bureaus for five grand Wow So I go to Hawaii on vacation And I'm in Hawaii And a company called Washington Speakers Bureau WSB they speak nothing They book political speakers And they had Joe Thaisman

And Jim Valvano And maybe Lou Holtz The three guys they had So they call it the rainy day file, and they got a big box where they get all the, you know, people send them to them all the time. Hey, Joe, we don't want to come on your show. Okay, right, put it over there, put it over there, put it there. And eventually you go through it, oh, we ought to have them on, right? That's kind of that went.

So one day they're looking at these tapes, and they're going, no, spitting. And then you get, they came across Terry Bratshaw. Hey, hey, I hear this guy's pretty good. Really, we'll put it on. They put it on. They went, we want to sign him. So I'm in Hawaii. I get a phone call.

It's in the morning. Hello. This is Bernie Swain with Washington Speakers Bureau. I'm here with Harry Rhodes. We just looked at your tape. We think you've got great possibilities. We'd love to represent you exclusively. Da-da-da-da-da.

Please call us back. I thought, what? So, you know, it's Hawaii. It's, what, seven in the morning? So it's what? It's one o'clock there times. I call them. And they said, look, we think you've got great possibility, and we think we can book you and book you a lot.

And I said, well, I'm being booked by 10 people right now. Why want to want to go one, one person? Well, we're going to guarantee you 50 speeches at $7,500 a speech. Excuse me? Did you say $7,500? I'm like, holy cow. So they said, we'll fly you from Hawaii to Washington, D.C. And we'd like to sit down with you and go over a proposal.

So they did, and I did. We sat down, fell in love with these guys. They were awesome. Gave me a proposal. 50 speeches, 7,500. Add that up. That's a pretty good chunk of dough. So I signed.

I'm with them exclusively now. And they said, we'll have you at 10,000 in six months. 10,000. You're going to book me for you. For 10 grand? Are you kidding me? That ain't. That's crazy.

Sure enough. So that's how you got into speeches. Yeah. So when you do speeches, say of like a tire company calls you, whatever it is, do you write it out for that company? I never write it. I do not write a word. I cannot write. I write here.

So how do you plan out a speech? I write here. You just sit around and think about what you're going to say. Exactly. And over time, what speakers do, because I asked Jay Leno this one time, you're doing all, you're doing 100 stand-ups. And he says, well, I'll take a theme for this year, and I do it all that. I don't change anything under the name where I'm going. And so 100, I said, oh, so I don't have to change all of this every time. And I learned that from Jay Leno, takes the same thing, and then put tire company in there and build it around that. And, you know,

what else I started doing? I started doing. I started. reading a lot. Psychology, salesmanship, leadership. You know one of the guys that came to hear me speak here in Austin? McRaven, Admiral McRaven. Have you had him on yet? No. Oh my God. The guy that gives the 10 points of success. Yeah, I've seen no speeches. He was a head of Texas. Oh, amazing. Fath. The Osama bin Laden. He, that's his. That's his raid. The whole thing was him.

He designed that whole raid. Amazing human being. He's right here in your backyard and you haven't had him on. You ought to be ashamed to yourself, Joe. There's only so many days in a week you could do shows, you know. Can't have everybody on. Okay, man, do you do a show every day? Four days a week.

Okay, what's the day off? Usually Friday, but it shifts. It shifts depending on, you know, what I got going on. But, you know, so I, I am. I build a show according to what they're doing and through all my reading. And I'm naturally, I think I'm gifted enough humor-wise, that I've incorporated a ton of humor. And I mixed the humor in, and I incorporate the audience. And so did you start doing all this reading just to make your speeches better?

I wanted to get smarter. Ha, that's funny. to get smarter. I wanted to be, yeah, I wanted to be a little bit up on things. I took psychology and marketing and all that in college, but I thought, hey, if I'm going to make a career out of this, get all the, gather all the knowledge you can gather. Yeah. And so that's what I did.

That's very smart. I started reading all these self-health books. And you know what? When you do read all that, you find out it's pretty basic. There is a common, there's a foundation, a common denominator that all of them have. I don't steal material, but I do still, I do program my speeches. I've gone on stage and forgot the name of the company. I did that once.

I did that once. I went on stage in Vegas for a huge 5,000 people. And I went out there and I'm, you know, I've got a style about me. It's a freelance. It's, hey, you know, I worked the crowd. I get to know them. I'm having a good time, feeling good. And I haven't even started my speech in the meeting plan to the guy that only came down.

Let's give it up. Give it up. Terry Bratshaw. Thank you, Terry. Thank you so much. Terry Brattschall. They escort me off. 10 minutes.

10 minutes. So there's three. What happened? Why did they escort you off? He thought I didn't know what I was doing, I guess. He obviously didn't look at my tapes But I was just I was just having fun with the crowd

Before I work my work sometimes I'll go right into it Uh huh Sometimes I won't sometimes I'll hey hey You know I mess with him Right I'm just having fun Yeah Yeah

He out of there Wow Oh What kind of company was that? Someone that could afford to pay me And not have me give a speech Yeah, bad. Well, some people were very impatient.

Bad. It was bad. And I asked my wife in the car, going to the airport. You know when you, and I said, what's the right? And I said, what did I do? Is that something wrong? She said, you did nothing wrong. This guy just doesn't know your style. So they just hired you based on name alone and didn't know what they were getting. Excuse me. I would imagine that for...

I would think name alone has a lot to do with all my... Oh, 100%. But that's what I was just going to say. I would imagine. And if you went for Super Bowls, you know pressure, you know up and down. You know how to deal with, you get in the huddle, how do you manage a huddle? How do you do this? How do you call plays?

Yeah. And I make fun of all these guys that have placards on their forearm. Number four, number four, where I had to go, second and eight. Okay, look, second and eight, here we're just, let's go, let's go, da, da, da, da, da. And they're going, no, no, no, wait a minute, wait a minute, no, I don't want to run that. Let's go this and did this, I totally ran the, I totally ran the huddle, the whole thing. What do y'all say? Can we do that?

We can't, what do you want to do? That, I ran the huddle. I was smart enough as the chairman of the board in the huddle to say, I don't have all the answers. I thought I did. We're not doing very well here. I want to try this play, but what do you all think? And I got input. Oh, is there anything better than input?

Is there anything better than the people that are doing? As a sales team, you got a sales manager and sales. teams going back said, no, no, no, no, no, this is not a good idea. This isn't working. They don't like this data. And you change it. Smart people make adjustments in the middle of chaos. Right.

Competition. And that's how I ran the huddle. The huddle. And speaking is, I know where I'm going when I walk on stage. And once I get on stage, I can tell within five. minutes, I'm going to change my direction. And I can't. I've been doing it 40-something years.

I got, you know, eight hours of material, not to mention all the new material I'm getting every week. So I can change it. And I've got to tell you, your stand-up comedian, is there anything better than getting on stage

and deliver a performance and they are just laughing to everything? Just rolling, just rolling, just rolling. And you walk off and they're screaming, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, and you're like, God, man, I nailed it tonight. And then you walk off or going out and go, hey, da, did you hear this? They did the other day, what about that? And everything falls flat.

And when you leave, you go off stage and you're, are you not miserable? Miserable. Miserable. Sure. You don't want to be miserable. No. You did everything you could to make them enjoyable. I'm entertaining them.

I want this to be a great experience for them. And when you fail, it's devastating. Devastating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So why they pay you. Well, you think.

They pay you to be entertaining. They pay you to be entertaining. You can hang. Poor Jamie. Poor. Oh, Jamie. Sorry, Jay. I'm sorry, man.

Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that it's a completely different thing. But having a guy like you go and talk to a corporation is got to be very fun for them. You know, because, you know, you're a guy who's won the Super Bowl. Yeah. My speech is. My speeches are, do you know who Joel Holstein is? I know the name. He's the preacher.

Joel Olston. Oh, what did I say? Holstein, like the cow. Olstein, you're right. Olstein, you're right. Oh, he doesn't go to church. He doesn't know. It's Olstein.

Yeah, that guy. He's a good guy. He does the giant stadium preacher. God, look at the mountain. You see the mountain climbing up another mountain. One of those good guys. You know, it's a good guy. And people need that.

life. Uh-huh. I like to say, there's another mountain out there. But if you continue down the path you're going, and I want, I want my hand spanked, you know, I don't need it spanked. I know it should be spanked, but I want him to spank. It's fine with me. Speaking, when I go out to speak, I'm a feel good.

I want, I'm a feel good guy. You know, unless they say to me, here's where we're struggling, we need you to add this, This is. Oh, so sometimes they'll give you a direction. Oh, always. They always give you a direction. Okay. So they have like a purpose for why you're doing the speech.

You always know where you're going. Yeah. You always know what your audience is. Yeah. Well, it sounds like you really enjoy it. But that's a lot of it. So is that what you're doing when you're doing 250 dates a year? You're doing a lot of those?

Yeah, a lot. Tuesday, Wednesday of this week. Then I'll get off. I do 30 a year, which is plenty. That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot. When you're getting $5 million of speech, I mean,

you've got to think about it. What do you think, Buck? Old Buck's over there. He's like, I'd be so glad when this boy's off. Oh, he likes you. Terry, thank you very much for being here, man. This was a lot of fun.

I really enjoyed it. It's great to talk to you. Me too. Thank you. Thanks, Joe. Been watching you. Enjoy you're smart. Thank you.

You're insightful. You do your homework. I helped you today, though. You did. lot. Doing what you do is not easy. I found out about limousine cattle. You taught me some things.

I know. I know. You know how to fix a prolapse uterus? What's that? Show him, Jamie. I'd rather not. So tell everybody how they buy this whiskey. Is it everywhere?

Can you get it? Is there a website? We're in 11 states right now. You can go terry brachal bourbon.com. You'll find out where we are in Texas. Terry Bradshaw, Bourbon, Doc. There it is. Look at that.

There it is. That's not a good picture. I should have had. Oh, look at the cigar, Joe. It's a solid picture. Yeah. Cigar. That's an old man.

You're 58? Yeah. And look at that. You got a serious whiskey sifter there. What are those things called? Snifter. Those are good. That's like with you're a serious tastier.

You know, it is the thing about, now people think, boy, he's making a kill on off that whiskey. I'm not, I may make six. I may make $6,000 this year. Six. But we're building it, it's slow. Whiskey is. Bourbon is slow, man.

It's hard. It has to age. You go down that aisle. Yeah. 5,000. And we've won all these awards. All that, we beat them all. That's awesome.

Beat them all. Congratulations. Thank you. I'm so proud of that. And the thing about the juice is mine. I created this. It has to be something that you love doing. Yeah, that's not something you can.

You know what? It could be any other product. I think it's just the fact that I get to go out and sell it. I like selling. Well, it's an aged product. It's a different. Like if you were selling vodka or tequila, something you could just make real quick. No, this is.

It's a different thing. Aged whiskey is a very different thing. It took me a year and a half to get the blend right. The blend, the juice. It took me a year and a half before I agreed to put it in a bottle. Then when I put it in a bottle, I wanted this is old lump. No, gun smoke. Sit it on the counter.

I wanted a gun smoke bottle. And this is the original label. And that's gunpowder. Gunpowder gray. And the Super Bowl stuff is put on there by, you know, the bottling company, which I didn't really, that wasn't part of it. Joe, you ever got to a point in your life when you go, can I not sell something that's really good without having to be me?

Right. I know what you mean. I would have been like that if it hadn't been. you, Terry. Can it not be just because it's good? You certainly could do that. Yeah. My stud horses, I have the best stud horses in America.

You know, best. And they're breeding world champions, and I'm so proud of that. Business is good. You know, but I don't have to sell them. We have offspring that sell them. But this is Bradshaw whiskey. Yeah, this is this. I wouldn't want my

dad to see it. There it is. there it is there it is but thank you thank you so much I've been a huge fan for many years and me and you and thanks we didn't get into politics

which I'm very thankful for I'm glad too yeah me too I bet you are I know I am enough enough enough of that in this world thank you Terry that was one all right

bye everybody