The Joe Rogan Experience - #2520 - Tommy Lee

Episode Date: June 30, 2026

Tommy Lee is a genre-spanning solo musician, producer, and songwriter as well as the drummer and co-founder of Mötley Crüe. His latest album is “Tommyland Rides Again.” See him live with Mötley Crüe on The Return of the Carnival of Sins Tour beginning July 17.www.youtube.com/tommyleewww.motley.comwww.tommylee.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Rogan podcast, checking out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. We're rolling? Thanks for the heads up, so I'm not tripping later going. Hey, dude. Good to see you, man. Yeah, good to see, too.

What's cracking? You got a diamond in your tooth? Is that what's going on? Nice. Yeah. Nice. That's fun. My friend Cam just got a gold tooth.

And I was giving him a hard time. But then I was like, damn, I think I want one. God, yeah, you got to get one, dude. I'm thinking again, a gold tooth. I have a cap. I had a root canal. I've got a cap out. I think I'm going to swap it out for a gold tooth.

Do it. Do it. Fuck, yeah. I got one back here somewhere. It's just that little, like, I don't know, that little pirate thing starts to happen. I know. It's just a little outcasty. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So what's cracking, brother? How are you doing? I'm good, man. I'm stoked to be here to see you. Stoke does have you here. Yeah, man. Shit, I wish I was staying longer now. But we'll make the best of...

How long are you staying? How long are you in town for? I'm leaving after... Right after this? After you. Where you headed? Back home, L.A. My son is getting married.

Oh. Congratulations. Thanks. Thanks. Which is such a trip, dude. You know, like, he's 29, and he's getting married. And I'm just... I've been kind of tripping out on that. Like, dude,

where the fuck did that time, A, go? Right. And, like, I'm so fucking happy for him that he's been seeing this girl for seven years. I'm so proud that he did exactly the opposite of his dad. You know what I mean? Right, right. He knows, and they've been, basically, they've been married, you know. Mm-hmm.

And they're just making it official now. And I'm just so happy for them. I'm like, I tell them all the time, I'm like, so happy for you, dude. Like, you know, you use some patience and some love and like mix it all around and put some time in there. And you know, shit's like your survival rate is going to be way better, way better. And that makes me really happy. And your happiness rate. I think if you're a kid and your dad is Tommy Lee and you've had such a fucking crazy chaos.

He's probably like, slow down. Give me a fucking yard and a picking fence and whoa. Totally. Totally. That's why like, you know, in the drift of everything, I'm really surprised and I'm really happy. He just like pumped the brakes. That's awesome.

Just like make sure that what he's doing is the real shit. Yeah, I mean, especially in L.A. with a rock star dad, it's like there's so many bad influences. There's so many ways you could go where you could just ruin your fucking life. It's so easy to ruin your life if you're in the wrong circles. Dude. So easy. Right. Because everybody else is doing it too.

You're like, hey, I guess we're doing meth. Yeah, I know. I'm fucking just, I mean, I know people that are good people that have fallen down that rabbit hole. And they're not bad people. They're not even stupid, man. They just made a bad decision for whatever reason. And then next thing, you know, they're all strung out.

And like, L.A. is the hub of that. Yeah. There's so much of that going on in L.A. Yeah. And if you have any sort of, that sort of shit magnet attached to you, like, you know, the shady friends and the weird circles, you just kind of. Of course. And all of a sudden, you're just fucking.

Oh. I mean, I don't live in the rock and roll world, but I think that's probably the most attractive to, like, crazy people. Like, that world. That is the world where if you're a fucking kook, like you gravitate towards that world, you know? It's probably so hard to find, like, sane, balanced people that are, you know? Yeah. They have their shit together. It's like, it's almost impossible.

So, like, you're just comparing yourself to the other chaotic people you're around. And you're the fucking drummer and motley crew. I mean, how are you supposed to be normal? What the fuck are you talking about? I know. What kind of life is that? That's such a bizarre life. the craziest life of all time.

You're fucking slamming the drums on stage in front of literally a sea of human beings singing along to your music. Nobody can understand that. I know, man. Yeah, they've seen it all. They've seen it all. Like I put them to work out on tour, you know, just so, you know, we could hang out and spend time. You're like, you know, get them a radio.

All of a sudden they're part one of my son. as part of the lighting crew helping those guys. My other son is like, all he wants to know about is like, Dad, I want to be in charge of all the after show passes. I'll go out while you're playing and I'm going to hit all the chicks. And like my son is out there just stack of passes. Come on back afterwards. Come on back.

And then watching him like have just running it, right? It just like brings a cheer to my eye, man. That's cool. That's very cool. When you look back, how much of a dream does it feel? I mean,

it's got to feel very bizarre that you, you know, every young guy who plays music wants to be in a gigantic band. They all want to be rock stars. And when it actually happens for you and then you're looking back on it,

like how fucking surreal does it all feel? It's, dude, I pinch myself still daily, literally. And I'm just fucking, I don't know, man, I'm just lucky to be here. I'm lucky I get to do this. I always say to people like, there's a couple of things that are involved with that whole thing.

There's some luck, some talent, some timing of things. And those things kind of all line up. And it happens for you. and it just happens at fucking supersonic speeds where like a lot of it's a fucking blur. Like a ton of it's a blur where you have to have somebody else like remind you. You're like, oh shit, that's right.

I totally forgot we did that. You know, like about crazy times. Yeah. Yeah, it's a trip, dude. I spend a lot of time like hanging on. Right. Fuck. Here we go.

Did you get a chance? Like when you were coming up to talk to any other rock stars, does anybody give you advice on how to handle things? Like how weird it's going to be? No. I'm trying to think of any sort of a mentor kind of dude on like how to survive the shit. No.

Pull Keith Richards aside and say, hey, man. How about a few tips? How did you do this? I'm still here. Bro, I saw them at Coda at the Circuit of the Americas a couple years back. They were fucking incredible, man. incredible.

Insane. They're like, how old is Keith? Dude. Are they like 80? He's got to be. Mick is like 80? Bro, Mick is moving around and dancing and singing. Insane.

Insane. Dude, and let me tell you a fun, quick little story here. Molly Crew gets to open up for the Rolling Stones. This was on Halloween. I forget what fucking year. At some stadium, I think it was Toronto. We got to open for them. And we're so fucking pumped.

We're like, dude, are you kidding me? We get to fucking do this? Anyway, we play our show. Back in the dressing room, after we're done, the Stone's tour manager comes into the dressing room and goes, Tommy. I was like, yeah, it goes, he goes, Mick and Ronnie Keith would like to see you.

And I was like, Brad. I fucking head over there. And dude, this is 20 minutes before they're to go on. I go into their world and they bring a bartender around with them.

So there's a guy set up just slinging fucking drinks. Mick isn't hammered, but fucking Keith and Ronnie, dude, they were fucking walking on their lips. I'm talking shitty, like, hey, fucking, right,

just falling over with their guitars. 20 minutes before they go on stage. I'm like, how are these guys going to fuck? There's no way they're playing. I'm sorry. There's no way. No fucking way. And all of a sudden, we took a couple of photos,

and it was like, let's go to the stage. And I'm like, oh, I got to see this. I'm walking with them, right? They get up there, if fucking lights go out. Boom. fucking, I think they started with Start Me Up. Bon-da-up. And it was like a switch flipped.

All of a sudden, those guys were fucking money, like 100% fucking rocking out. I was like, how did they just go? They've been doing it for so long that they just, they're masters of the controls. They're like, okay, I guess we can get this amount of fucked up and then we can go.

It's okay. I think some guys just... That was a crazy level. Like, I was, I saw that. You could barely talk. And then they went up there and fucking ripped it. I wish I saw that. Some guys just want to be fucked up to just feel the experience, just to just ride it like a wild bull.

Yeah. Just wherever you land, you land. That's where some guys like to do it. I mean, and rock, I don't have to tell you, rock and roll music is the heart of that. That's where it really goes down where a lot of guys like to get fucked up before they play. Yep. You know?

You want to see something fucking inspirational? I'm going to show you something crazy. Always. This is, have you seen, Jamie,

have you seen Rick Springfield lately? I did just see him and I was like, whoa, dude. I'm going to send you a video and it's going to blow you

away. This is literally bananas. This is Rick Springfield. He's 76 years old, okay? 76. 76. 76.

And he's singing Jesse's girl. like he just wrote it. And he's funny. Yeah. Put the headphones on. Bro. Put the headphones on and back this up from the beginning. Whoa.

Well, I just sent it to you on Instagram. He's ripped. Click on the other link then, the one that I send you on Instagram. Because you can't, first of all, he looks fucking incredible. Like he's working out every day or something. I mean, I don't even understand it. He looks like a 30-year-old guy. Yeah.

And he's singing the song like he just. Just wrote it. Bro, 76. That's crazy. Fuck. Amazing, man. Amazing. That's fucking inspirational.

Inspiration. Bro. 76 years old. And passion and enthusiasm is what kills me. This is not a guy who's like just going out there and going through the motions. He's singing that song like he just wrote it. Yeah, totally. Fuck yeah, Rick Springfield.

Yeah, good job, bro. Fuck yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. I've been sending that to everybody. I'm like, fuck yeah. That is, I saw that. I saw that clip and I was like, whoa.

A lot of people in their 76 are basically waiting to die. This dude's on stage with no shirt on, fucking crushing life. Dude, I love it. I love it. That's going to be me. Still 10 years from now. Fuck yeah. Oh, yeah.

Rock and shit. Well, I remember in the 80s, there were no old rock stars. like no one was out there touring that was an old rock star you're right you're right and then the stones released the new album i think it was like 88 or 88 and 89 and everybody's like wow they're gonna tour again it was almost like aren't they done with this like they're older now yeah and then it started being a thing where a bunch of older guys would like go out on tour that hadn't been on tour in a while and now it's no and people like why are we retiring like why why would i stop doing the most amazing thing that a human being ever gets to do.

Yeah, that you love to do. Yeah. No, let me stop doing that. It was like a thing with hip-hop artists, too. They would get to an older age and people just didn't appreciate them anymore. It's like it was like a young guy's game. But now a lot of those older guys are going on tour too and people realize like, oh, these guys are fucking dope.

Like I saw Run DMC went on, or excuse me, Public Enemy went on with, I think it was, I think it was Bruce Springsteen. I think Bruce Springsteen had them go up in one of his concerts. I'm like, fuck yeah, look at these dudes. They're killing it. They're still getting after it. That's the best, man. You got to love that.

And I think that resurgence, I don't know if you call it a resurgence or just that style of like, there are certain things that were really great that have stood the test of time. And I really think that the way shit is now. man there is too fucking much like there's too much music like Spotify releases like 300 fucking thousand songs a day really who the fuck is listening to all this music dude I'm in the business and if I can't keep up how can a fan of music keep up so I just I think that the the excess of it's just static and it's really blown a whole through for, you know, original stuff, you know, really good stuff,

because a lot of this stuff is all kind of sounding the same now. But I just, I think that it's been a cool progression that's, that's sort of fueled that. I don't know if I'm making sense. I'm kind of good. No, you're making sense. You know what I'm trying to say? There's so much static now that, um, The, the, sort of the...

Something has to be undeniable to break through. The authentic stuff still fucking pulls water. Yeah. Big time. And, you know. Well, there's always, like, one song that all of a sudden resonates and just goes super viral because people listen to it, like, holy shit. Yeah.

There's always going to be something that's exceptional. But I do agree. It's impossible. There's a lot of great music that I don't know anything about. And then someone turns me on to it. And I'm like, how the fuck did I not know this guy? Yeah. Yeah.

And had your friend not turned you on to that, you never fucking know. Well, there's no real radio anymore. No. Right? So how do you find out? When I was a kid, when I was in high school, like, a new Motley crew song came out. It was on the fucking radio. Yeah, right.

You knew, all right, the new album's out. Let's go get the new album. And that was with every major band. It was like, and then you got MTV. MTV came along. Oh, the music video's out. The album's out. But now it's like anyone can just put stuff up, you know, which is great.

Yeah, which is cool. Look, it's all overall positive because you have more artists and more people that are doing what they want to do. More people that are making music, which is awesome. But like, it's the same thing with movies. Can imagine you have to watch every movie ever made? You'd have to be a million years old. You'd never finish. Exactly.

It's none of hours in the day. Yeah. It's the same. It's the same musically. what's happening musically, that's happening with everything

entertainment-wise, films, television shows, there's an abundance of like, it's just too much. How do people, I mean,

people got these, you know, you know, TV packages where they've got subscriptions 4,000 different places, and you still can't

find anything to watch. You're like, what the, what the, is happening here, everybody. We gotta like peel it back a little bit. Make it a little easier here. Well, there's so many options.

It's almost like dating apps, right? Like, if someone, if some chick is chewing her food with her mouth up, being like, swipe. Like, who's next? Yeah. Like, people get, they don't get a chance to know anybody. And I think that's all the same thing with movies and TV shows. Because if you're watching Netflix, if you get bored for three seconds,

you're like, fuck this movie, what else is on? Bip, bit, bit, you know? Okay, try this one. And you watch that for 10 minutes. It's not fuck this. I would like to see their numbers of like how long people actually watch a show or a movie on Netflix before they shut it off. I bet it's way different than in the past. I bet in the old days most people watch the movie to the end.

Sure. I bet now it's like 20%. Oh, dude. If that. Yeah. I'm just going to say a little bit more. If that. Yeah.

It's short attention span life right now. It's very bad for you. Yeah. Sometimes you've got to just take something in. And that affects the. people who create the stuff because you realize I'm dealing with a bunch of fucking six-year-olds here and if my shit isn't banging within the first, whether it's a movie or a song or whatever it is, whatever your art is, if it's not fucking ripping your face off and grabbing your attention

within three or four seconds, you're next. Next. Right, exactly. When that's just the world we're in so that, then that affects. people who make the stuff because they really got to put the best shit up front quick or else you're

going to lose everybody. 100%. And that sucks. Yeah, but they don't have to give into that. Nobody's got time for suspense or you know, ah, fuck that. This summer, the Cup is taking over the U.S. and only draft kings has you covered

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that are just amazing classics, like a whole lot of love. So a whole lot of love, you have a minute and a half fuck sounds with symbols before it comes back to this insane guitar solo. Yeah. Right?

Yeah, you're right. Like, you're like, ah, ah, ha, ha, yeah. It's like the most bizarre song ever. Yeah, kind of drum solo-y, kind of... Yeah. Off into nowhere. And no one other. And in classically,

Freebird. When Leonard Skinner released Freebird, they're like, no, no, no, this song takes way too long to get going. It's so long. It's like a seven-minute song. You got to, this is never going to fly. Meanwhile, it's one of the greatest anthems in the history of the world. And perhaps the greatest guitar solo in the history of the fucking human race. Right, right. You know? Freebird, when that dude gets going, and you see it live and everybody's fucking jit. The whole fucking place is going off. Go on bananas. Some of the greatest guitar solos in the history of the fucking human race. And their record company was like, it's too long. People don't have any attention span for this, guys. God, even back then people were fucking hating. Well, it's always the people that are the money people.

Because all they give a fuck about is money. And you're in the creative side of it. And the money people are just pimping out the creative side of it. And they're just trying to get you to suck as many dicks as they can because they want to buy a rolls rice. So, like, come on. Suck that dick. Let's go.

And they don't give a fuck about you or your reputation because then they got fucking nickel back over here and this guy over there. And there's always a new band. They can push and pimp. And so they just want to make the maximum amount of money possible. So they always have shitty advice because their advice is based on making money. Yeah. Yeah. And for that reason, when we were on electro records, they were never allowed in the studio.

No one from the label was ever up. We allowed them once, and he came in and started making, like, making changes or suggesting edits and stuff. We're like, out. Out. Yeah. You'll get it when it's done here. Oh, God. So gross.

Yeah, dude. And here's some guy making those kind of calls who has no, not a musician, has no idea about what key the fucking song's in. All he knows is it's too long. Yeah. And we've got to get to it quicker. Well, it's these people that have ego for no real reason. They're just kind of, they're just involved with other great creative people, and that's what they sell. That's their business.

Is this sell stuff that's awesome? And somehow or another, they think it makes them awesome. Yeah. It's very weird. Like, you know, Zach Bryan, he's got a great song called, I think it's damn cold vampires or cold damn vampires. It's a great fucking song about... It's a great fucking song. It's about the music industry.

And it's about these vampires that are just sucking blood out of these artists. And was a great song, the great line of the song, trying to make an empire of the things that you create. They're making an empire from other people's work. That's what they're doing. But they somehow or another think that they're responsible and that they have an insight. And they're, I'm good at my job, Tommy Lee. And let me tell you something, kid, I know music. And that drum solo, 14 seconds too long.

I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to show you these statistics. We've got a guy. We got statistics. We got the best guy, the best statistics guy. He knows when people are, and when they get to this fucking part of the drum solo, they tune out, Tommy. We've got to stop them from tuning out. Totally.

Because I want to get a conis egg. I want to get one of them fucking $2 million cars. These cunts, they exist in every walk of life where one person, person is like, you know, a creative type that's not business oriented and you need a business person. Yes. So the business people come in because they're going to, someone's got to sell it. You're not going to fucking sell it.

Yeah. What are you going to do? You're going to make your own record company. You're going to hire your own executives and do your own promotion. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. You can't. Yeah.

So they come along and they get involved and they fuck it all up. Yeah. And how many guys have listened to them and ruined their careers because they listen to them? Oh, man. You know the Billy Squire story? So Billy Squire Remind me because I think I know...

Billy Squire was the shit when I was in high school. He had that song Lonely as the Night. Oh my God. I love Billy Squire. Dude, the stroke, he was fantastic. And he did one music video where it was like very effeminate. It was like really weird. Oh, was it when it was he's in his pajamas or something?

It was really weird. And everybody was like, nope. Yeah. What is he doing? Yeah, it was really weird. And to this day, I don't know if that was his idea or somebody else's idea. They just took a wild chance. Yeah.

I don't know. No one knows. I pray to God it was his idea. Because at least, like, he's creative, made a creative decision, didn't work out, whatever. Yeah, fine. But if someone tanked his career because they wanted him to act feminine in a song, it was like very, the reaction was crazy. because this guy was like a sex symbol. He was like, you know, his shirt down to his, you know, open up down to his pants.

Yeah, yeah. He was a bad motherfucker on. He could sing his ass off. Yeah. He's a star! One music video tanked him. I think it was my kind of lover. I think that was the song where...

See if you can find what the video was. This is it. This is it. This is someone made on the Facebook I found. About it? About this whole thing, yeah. So like... This is it, dude.

Yeah. So it was very weird. What song is it? Can you hear? I will. So it was somebody else's idea? Is that guy with the face? That guy with the face is it so looks like the guy.

Looks like the guy that would tell you. Totally. Yeah, he's crawling around on his knees and his hands is at his knees. Yeah. It was weird. It was very weird. Fuck, what song was this? You know, like, if he was like, look at this.

Look at him skipping around. It was very odd. That guy. That seems like the type of guy that would give you the bad advice. Something, me tonight. It's the name of the song. I want to. Fuck.

I don't know. I'll look at the song. Not familiar with that title. Yeah, I don't know. But I know. That was it. That was it. And everybody's like, nope.

Yeah. That's a rap. And that guy should have had like fucking 50 giant albums. That guy was amazing. Yeah. Such an incredible singer, man. So, round. Rock Me Tonight.

1984. Oh. To cut that out. Yeah. We'll cut that part up, but you can see him dancing around. Like, look at this. Don't do that, buddy. What is this?

He's like, don't do that. Yeah, we need you on the ground, swarming around. Hopefully. Hopefully it was his idea. Yeah, and he just, you know. My God, if this was somebody else's idea, like, I want you to be looser. I want you to be looser. I want you to be more free.

Yeah. I want you to be like, I want to feel your vulnerable side. I want you on your hands and knees. I want you crawling. This is what I want you to do. I want you to like this. Like you barely can crawl. Like you're having a hard time crawling.

That's what girls like. Girls like a guy who struggles to crawl. Yes, dude. Oh my God. What the fuck did you do to him? Oh, my God. What did you do to him? I know.

I hope it was his idea. Despite its major success, a song is sometimes associated with the end of his career as a singles musician due to the music video, which was described as one of the worst ever in a 2011 book, I Want My MTV, the uncensored story

of the music video revolution. Wow. shows Squire dancing around to bed with pastel colored satin sheets and wearing a pink tank top. Squire's concert ticket sales immediately declined, and he later fired his managers.

He has accused Ortega of deceiving him and altering his original concept, which Ortega denies, while Squire remains steadfast, the video was solely responsible for the initial decline of his population. Other commentators are less certain. Well, I'm pretty certain. I remember it. I remember kids in high school going, what the fuck, bro? Yeah. The fuck is Billy Squire doing, bro. That's just gay, bro. Because Billy Squire was the man. I mean, yeah.

He could have been another John Mellencamp. He could have been, he could have gone on forever. For sure. Like, what the fuck, dude? 84. One song, one music video? Insane. That is really crazy. think about it. Yeah, it's nuts. It's nuts. Well, that's the craziest thing about, we think about, like, the success of Motley Crew and bands, like, from your era. The fact that you guys endured for so long, like, still to this day, bro, if I'm working out in the gym and kickstart my heart comes on, I swear to God, I get stronger. You know, fuck him! Like, you get pumped, man, that's that song's a drug. Yeah, that one, man, I can't tell you how fun, how rewarding that is to, like, sit back and, like, I don't know, the Super Bowl's on and the fucking kickoff. Oh, dude, we got to cut it out, but I want to hear it. Throw kickstart my heart on.

We'll cut it. We have to cut it out for YouTube. We'll get docked with the fucking money people come involved. Meanwhile, we're just promoting music, God damn it. With Tommy Lee, you motherfuckers. Yeah, right. You're fucking hear. This fucking song.

Oh, is this live? Don't give you a live one. Give me the actual one. Bro, that was one of the most American songs that's ever been made. Ever. Ever. That song is fuel. Yeah.

You know, that song is fucking fuel. If you were running at a race and you're thinking about quitting and that song comes on your headphones, you're like, let's fucking go. Let's fucking go. You know, like songs like that, they really do give you energy. They really are like a drug. Yeah. They're definitely

They're injected Yeah, like changes your state, you know? I love that one. Isn't that fucking wild the power that music has? Like, the Reich kind of song, you know, everybody's different, but there's nothing better than like, they fucking, like, I get fucking goosebumps, bro. If something comes along that just,

and it gets inside you. Yeah. It's fucking infectious. And all of a sudden you're like, dude, it's taking over my whole body. I'm fucking tingling. Yeah. Hair standing up.

And you're like, what is that? Yeah. What the fuck is that? Like I want to fucking bottle that up and try to recreate whatever that is. Yeah, it's just an encapsulation of emotion with sound frequencies that just changes your physical state. It does something to you that's like, it's one of the most amazing creations that human beings have ever done. One of the, one of the most amazing amazing things. accomplishments that human beings have ever done is that just make incredible music.

Because it's one of the things that it affects us in a way that, like, they're like nothing else. And you can hear them over and over and over and over again. Like a great joke is awesome the first time. But after you hear it the second time, it loses a little of its power. The third time, it gets a little boring. A great song, I can listen to that, how, sometimes when I'm working out, I just put something on repeat.

I'm like, I just want to hear this song, one song over and over and over again. And just wear the fucker out. Wear that fucker up. I don't care. It's so good. I don't give a fuck. I just want to feel it. Let's let's fucking go.

And every time it comes back on, fuck, yeah. And we're back. You know? It's like it changes the frequency of your actual soul. Yes. Your body gets moved by it. You feel different. You, I want to ask you a question because you're into all this fucking crazy shit.

I saw somewhere recently, and this just goes along. with that feeling, euphoric feeling you get when the right notes or frequencies hit you. I saw that through sound, certain frequencies, like some dude in China, some doctor in China, or is it Japan, is this close to healing fucking cancer through sound, through frequency? Real? Have you? No, I haven't seen that. seen any of this? I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't either because,

you know, it just fascinates me because there is those frequencies out there that you know about them, 432, 432 hertz. You heard about that stuff? Explain to people. Well, it's just, there's some weird, what do you call it, conspiracy theories about. Originally, our music like Bach Beethoven back in those days was tuned to 432 Hertz. And this is the conspiracy bullshit part about it. At some point, and people say Hitler changed the tuning, the pitch of music. And now everything was raised to 440. instead of, you know, 432?

Instead of 432, now it's at 440. It's up, and the frequency is more aggressive, and it was said that it was done to give the soldiers more fucking, you know,

angst and you'd crank this music. Well, they were also given a meth. Excuse me? They were also given the meth. Between meth and kickstart my heart, fucking's over. Imagine the Nazis at kickstart my heart? It would have been a real problem.

problem. Dude, no, no. Kix got my heart in German. Yeah. Oh my Lord. Yeah, that would have been a real problem. Yeah. I'm just curious, because I know that you're into that kind of stuff. Um, if the, any sound therapy or healing through through frequencies, uh, if you've heard any of that stuff. Well, I know people do sound baths. Yes. Where, you know, they'll do these meditation experiments where they lie on their back and they have someone like that's making sounds. Yeah. And there's something to it. But just to think about like what we're saying with Kickstart My Heart. Like when you hear a great song, it changes the way you feel. Yes.

It changes your feeling. It gives you more energy. It really does. So obviously, sound has a profound effect on the human body. And it's not just like you in, there's a lot of aspects to a great song, right? It's the sound. It's also the messaging that's in the lyrics. It's like there's a lot of going on.

The voice of the singer, you know, the visuals of everybody fucking rocking out on stage. Sure. That also contributes to it. But the actual sound. itself is affecting your body in a very profound way. And I wouldn't be surprised that there's ways that sound could provide like therapeutic

benefits to like people that are injured, that are healing, sickness. I'm sure. I mean, if you were lying in a hospital bed and he felt like shit because he just had surgery but you're listening to some dope music, wouldn't that be better than just listening to people moan in the next room? Like, ugh.

Fuck, get me out of here. Yeah, you're inputting something nice. Should be a part of your recovery. Yeah, for sure. Getting positive vibes in, getting things that give you good feeling and good energy. I do that all the time, man. I'll sit at home. You know, when you're in the mood to not really listen to music but hear music where it's just playing in the background.

And I'll just put, there's these YouTube videos of these beautiful Japanese gardens in Kyoto or whatever. and there's like high-deaf shots of these just beautiful, you know, bonsai trees, coy ponds, big Milwaukee bonsai, like, and it's just so chill. And with that music, and I just put it on, and it's kind of on a lot, actually. And I find myself, that's where I go to, like, just like, I don't know. Yeah, it puts you in a different state. It puts me in a different space, you know? Yeah.

I dig it, man. You got really into bonsai. Yeah, dude. How did that start? All the times that we've gone to Japan, every time I went there, I always went to the Japanese gardens of the temples. And I'd walk around and just be like my jaw on the floor.

Like, I've never seen anything this fucking peaceful and beautiful and just like, I don't know, it just came over this feeling every time I went. I came over me and I started studying. This is like eight years ago. I was like, I need this in my life somehow. I don't know what this is, but let me go down the tube here and figure out what that is and how I can get some of this into my life.

And I found some fucking videos on doing bonsai work on trees. And I started and I haven't stopped. And it's been hands down the coolest fucking thing. ever gotten into, man. Like, I'll be out there for hours every day. Like, I'll start my day. Just being with nature and being with the trees that I'm working on. And I got like a workshop, dude.

It's like a, there's like in progress, works on the bench. There's other ones I'm bending. There's ones that I'm, you know, treating for pests, you know. It's a whole world and wiring everything. training it to where you want to go pruning. It's just it, it lets me escape everything for a couple of hours. I just, I don't know, man. I just check out.

How many years have you been doing this now? I've been probably eight years now. I've been doing it, eight years. And so is a bonsai tree, a regular tree that would grow big if you didn't fuck with it? Yes, yes. Okay. And then you can get it to this incredible, beautiful art. artistic shape and it's small.

Yes, it's what you're basically, you keep kind of dwarfing it. And everybody gets this confused. And they just think bonsai is like, that's the tree. Bonsai means tree and pot. That's what that means actually. It doesn't mean the actual bonsai tree. It means tree and pot. How long is the study of bonsai, how long has the practice been around?

Dude, I, fuck, I have no idea. And you find that other parts of the world, now that you get into it, I mean, there's in Taiwan and China, there are some fucking insane bonsai. And I think it actually originated in China. And the Japanese took it and altered it in ways and did it their, sort of their version. But I think it originated in China, if I'm not mistaken. Something like that, yeah. Sixth Century China and then they brought it back. Ah, see.

Look at that. Bam. Fuck, dude. Wow. Fucking Wiki Lee over here. So don't you have a tree that's 300 years old? Yes, I do. Over 300.

Wow. I have two of them that are over 300 years old. So someone was working on them over 300 years ago? Well, either that or was collected maybe 100 years ago. And then over that time, it's just constantly been. you know, cut back and cut back. Like what you'll do with... But it's a part of a tree that's 300 years ago.

Yeah, it's still... It's the same tree. Right. But it's just... It's never been... It's always getting its roots cut. Is that it? Is that your tree?

The 300-year-old tree? No, no, no. That's just a... That's just a small juniper that I have. It's beautiful. The 300-year-old one is a redwood. It's a fucking trunk on. It's like this.

And it's smashed. into a pot about this big. That seems rude. It's about that way. For Redwood, that seems rude. If you go to Northern California and you go to the Redwood Forest, they're fucking spectacular. Those things are wild.

Insane. That Redwood Forest is so incredible. There's the one that you drive through. Yeah. Yes. They cut a hole in it in like the 1920s or whatever. It's really fucked. I can't believe they did that.

But the tree's still alive. And you drive through the tree. It's so crazy. Yeah, that one I showed not too long ago in an exhibition. Oh, so you go to bonsai shows. Yeah, I just started entering some of my trees that I've been working on. I've done two so far. Just now, like just this year, entered a couple of trees.

That's awesome. The rest of these other seven years or eight years of practicing is just learning, you know. What a cool hobby. Yeah, it's fun. fucking rad, dude. It really is. It's also like the complete opposite of being a rock star. Totally. Like what a great balancing

tool. You know? I know, man. It's interesting because a lot of, you know, my peers, musical buddies, like they're all of them are super interested. They're like, dude, what's up with the bonsai? Like, they're curious. They want to know. Yeah. Because maybe they've seen

me, you know, maybe change. a little bit over the years, or they've seen how much joy it fucking brings me in the right. I think I want some of that. I'm not sure. Well, there's something about like a Zen garden that you associate with like bonsai and peacefulness and clarity. Yes. You know, just peace of mind.

Just clean mind. Like your mind is pure. You're like, you're really in the moment rather than just being a fucking mess ordering Uber Eats. You know what I mean? Yeah, dude. Like there's something. that's very spiritually attractive to people about those practices. Yes, and that's it too.

It really has a lot to do with sort of the culture of all of it. Like when you start going down that hole about design and all that stuff, you start to realize that everything, at least the Japanese do, is with such fucking purpose. Like you'll notice, you know, and I didn't notice this stuff in, Until later, I was like, oh, I get it now. There's serious rules about how they build a Zen garden. You'll never find a straight path ever.

I don't care how far you look. You'll never find a straight path going through a Zen garden. They specifically and strategically curve the path to slow you down. When you get to, when you get, when as soon as you walk into a garden, the number one objective is to get you to slow the fuck down. And there's no straight path and everything. You don't, nothing becomes revealed to you until you come around that corner. So you're always, even if they're, if you're going across a lake or a pond,

there's never a straight, very rarely a straight bridge. It's either arced or the bridge zigzags across. there's never a straight line. And what that's how that's, what that's meant to do is get you to stop at each corner and look out and just take it in and fucking be present. And that's, to me,

it's like, that's the deeper meaning of all this for me. It's really got me to slow the fuck down because everything is just kind of all the time. So, you know, That it's just, I get to, I don't know how to explain it something. It's hard to explain that state, but that's what I, that's what I get from it. And every day it's the best way to start, start your day, man. It can only get fucking amazing after that because you're, you kind of set yourself up for having a fucking super rad day.

Like, do you know what I mean? Like, I'm good. Let's go. Right. Well, it makes sense. I mean, there's something about those Zen gardens. so attractive to people. Yeah.

It's obvious. There's something going on with that design, with that flow of nature and the way it's artistically pieced together. It's very exciting to people. And you see it, man. I don't know if you've noticed some. You had to notice. You see it in a lot of the newer architecture.

A lot of fucking designs and homes are being built with that sort of very minimal Japanese flavor that is just meant to have your home. be a peaceful place and not like a fucking museum or this or that. Right. Right. Right. It's really, um, yeah. Yeah, it's more, it's more peaceful. Like in the actual design itself versus like some house with big giant ass fucking windows overlooking the big city and fucking rocks everywhere and like, oh, slow down. Yeah, yeah. And I've had that. I've done that before with the house on the top of the hill with the views. And I mean, the view is just kind of view.

It doesn't really do anything. It's very different than having, you know, a beautiful winding sanctuary to cruise through, you know. I think nature is very therapeutic. And if you can put nature in an artistic form like a Zen garden, it's very therapeutic. But that's a way better view. The view of nature is a way, always a way. Look, whenever I go to New York City and I'm staying in a hotel and I'm in the middle and you'll see all the buildings like, wow, this is crazy.

You're in the center of it. This is fucking dope. But I don't want to live there. Right. I like to visit. I don't think it's good for me, at least. I don't think it's good for my headspace to live there. I like to see trees.

I like to see nature. I like to see green. I like to see things that are alive. That makes me feel better. Yeah. You know, it's funny, dude. I tell people, I think I was a fucking tree like in a past life because I'm like, maybe you were a tree too. I'm like you.

Like, I don't know if you're like this gnarly about it, but every time I go into a city, the first thing I look at is the trees. Like, whether it's a big city or wherever, I'll find the tree because that's the first thing I'm looking for. I don't look at the buildings. I don't look, you know, up and we're down. I'm always like looking for the tree.

Yeah. It's just, I don't know, man. Well, human beings are very connected to plants, or they're very connected to nature, period. It's one of the most brilliant things that the designers of New York City did is make Central Park. Ah. Have that giant park. It's an enormous park in the center of the city. I was staying at a hotel last year, and it was like on the edge of the park.

And like from the window, you look out, you see the whole park, like straight. This is fucking incredible that they did that because it's so big. And it's just trees. It's just trees and paths and little lakes and everything. and go wander around. Like, hey, get the fuck out of these buildings for a while. And it's like, for a person living in New York City, having that right there in the center is gigantic.

I don't know what percentage of people take advantage of it, but they should all. It would make them all better. It would all feel better. It's a little center retreat, man. Oh, an amazing one. Yeah. It's fucking huge.

Like, how many acres is Central Park? Let's find that out. Let's guess. I'm going to guess. A thousand acres? If I had a guess. maybe 2,000 acres? How big is it?

843 acres. So it's this amazing, huge park in the center of the biggest city in the world. And you see all these giant, crazy fucking buildings, and then none of them in the center. It's beautiful.

Fucking props to those people or whoever that didn't sell that space. Because how many fucking vampires are trying to take over that and put a big shitty-ass building in the middle of it? We don't need 800 acres.

500 acres is plenty plenty plenty plenty we'll just make those 500 acres even better and no one's going to complain yeah put a bunch of money yeah hats off to whoever whatever we're going to do whoever like held that down

I know they've lost a few parks that's one of our shows that we do with Ari Shafir Shane Gillis and Mark Norman is protect our parks but we're not really protecting parks we're just getting drunk and talking shit but it's called Protect Our Parks because Ari on one of the early episodes was

ranting and raving about they're going to fucking take down this park and turn it into apartment buildings and they wound up doing it. They killed the park. Oh, man. Vampires. They just want to suck out all the trees and just make money, these dirty bitches. Oh, man, pretty soon everybody's going to

have no place to go, man. Yeah. Well, I think Central Park is safe and that's the greatest park in the world. It really is. The greatest park in any city in the world. It's so crazy you mentioned that because on the way here I was flicking through Instagram and I saw I'm sorry that this happened.

Some dude got killed. One of the horses took, you know, the horse and buggy thing, just fucking launched. And you see the dude, the horse flips the cart. Oh, no. And the dude gets flung out, and then he dies. He died on the way to the hospital. Why did the horse freak out?

Do we know what happened? I don't, it didn't show it. It just showed like, somebody else has had footage of it, like just the horse freaking out. Oh, shit. And then peeling out and you'd see the thing flip over and you're like, oh, man, dude.

You know, I love horses, and I'm not a fan of horses walking around the city. I think it's fucked. Yeah. I get that people think it's romantic to ride on the back of a buggy with a horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not right.

No. A horse is supposed to be in the fucking fields and the mountains. The horse supposed to be running around and eating grass. Clicking around on the asphalt. I don't know. Fuck all that.

I don't like it. It's just a gross touristy thing. I mean, it's cool to see them every now and then. I know cops like to use them when they're breaking up riots and shit, just kind of crazy. But the reality is a horse is not supposed to be there. Just like a cow's not supposed to be there. If you had cows walking down the street, you'd be like, why this fuck is this cow here? This was likely an accident because the driver.

Yeah, the driver, I guess they call him, wasn't in the right spot, like left his seat. What? Yeah. He left his seat. They're never supposed to leave their seats as to take maybe a photo of the passengers in the carriage. And when the family was climbing back in, horse got spooked. Oh, no. It used to happen very fast. Yeah, the driver's not in it. The driver's not in it, dude. It just peels out.

Oh, fuck, man. And you see it just go and just make kind of a hard right, and the buggy just flips over and God. I don't fuck with horses, man. Yeah, dude. I don't ride them. I have, I've ridden a horse before. I don't like it. Dude, I've done it.

I got my ass thrown off on. And I was like, I'm good. I'm cool. It's just not good. It's just, I mean, look, if you're a cowboy and you're riding horses and everything, that's kind of a different thing. Sure. You know, if you're doing it every day, that's a different thing. But for me, it's like, I don't need to ride them.

I get it. For entertainment purposes. It's like, I went to Thailand, and we rode elephants. We had to ride elephants. And the elephants don't mind. you establish a relationship with them first. You feed them sugar cane, and you know, you pet them and you hang out with them. And they decide whether or not you're cool.

And if you give them like peaceful, gentle, friendly energy, they're like, sure, come on up. And they lift their leg up and you step on top of them and you climb on their back. And they gently take you through the jungle. But I'm like, I didn't need to do that. I could have just hung out with them. That would have been plenty cool. I'm happy just feeding them. I don't need to ride them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like King Chimp. I'm King Chimp on them, my big-ass fucking elephant. You know, it's very weird. Yeah. It's weird. But, you know, people like it. And they're beautiful animals.

Oh, my God, they're beautiful. I don't need to ride animals. I get it. People like to do it. I don't have a problem with people doing it, but it's not me. Yeah. I'd rather look at them. I'm with you.

Yeah. But horses and people have, like, a crazy relationship. You know, people that have horses, like, they're bonded to that animal, like, no other animal. Oh, yeah. I know a few that are just like horse whisperer kind of shit where you're like, whoa, this is some next level love. Yeah, they do a lot of, there's a therapy with that too. They do incline therapy for a lot of people.

I did that one time. Did you? At a rehab, they took us to have like a couple of days just with horses. And it was cool, man. I get it. Yeah. Well, again, it's like just like the trees and the forest. It's like something peaceful about horses.

horses. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Most of the time, especially if they're broken, they're pretty chill. They just want to hang out.

Yeah. Yeah. You can go up and pet them and they like it. And it's like, wow. They're like, oh. Yeah. Puts you in check.

Their big ass teeth freak me out. When you're feeding them, you're like, you don't like get your fingers in there, dude. People have been bitten by them, too. Chompers. If you're people's a dick, you get a horse annoyed and they bite you. Yeah.

Oh, dude. Yeah. That's got a fucking. Can you imagine? All that jawpower? Dude. The size of their fucking head? Yeah.

Just clamping down on your hand. Fuck you. I want a carrot, bitch. Give me the fucking carrot. That's so rad you can smoke in here. Yes, you can. Yeah, I smoke cigars. Of course.

I'll fire up with you. All right. How long you've been smoking? God. forever. You ever try to quit? I have and I quit for

this is a few years ago I quit for like fuck I almost made it a year and then I was like God I get to feel like after a few months you're out of the woods Yeah

I don't know It just didn't last It just didn't fucking last man What brought you back? You know what? But probably because I was drinking at the time. Like, they kind of go hand in hand. If you're having a cocktail or a beer or whatever,

you're having a smoke, chances. Chances are. And I don't know, man. You're sitting there and you're having a drink and you're like, where's a cigarette? It's just, I don't know. It's like rock and roll. They just go together for some reason.

So I failed. Well, why did you quit originally? What was the thought behind it? Um, I think I was just trying to quit fucking everything. You know, he's just like, that's it. Fuck everything. I'm just going to take a break and fucking hit the reset button on everything. I think I was going through that phase because I hadn't ever tried that.

Tried everything else, but nothing. And yeah, I don't know, man. It's the last vice of a lot of people in recovery. Yeah. And then you got, and then, you know, you got guys like Keith. Richards who's just ripping cigarette still and I'm like he's fine and like I've gotten I've gotten my fucking my lungs and done the whole like per newvo like body scan to see all your shit and they're like you're good I'm like are you sure wait let me see the like the the paperwork is just

different leaves or a different guy, like, because that's fucking impossible. They're like, you're good. I was like, all right. So there's really no reason to quit. Well, there's a, it's actually a very small percentage of people. Well, first of all, it's a very small percentage of people that get lung cancer, the general population. And then when you add in cigarette smokers, it's a small percentage of cigarette smokers

that get lung cancer. but more cigarette smokers get lung cancer than regular people. And so that's why when you look at the percentage of people that get lung cancer that smoke cigarettes, that's why it looks so high. So if you like, let's find the numbers. Put it into perplexity, please. What percentage of cigarette smokers get lung cancer? And I think it's less than 5%.

I think it's a very small number. And then you've got to think people that. are smoking cigarettes, how many of them are smoking two, three packs a day? Oh, yeah, that's crazy. And how many of them are smoking just a few cigarettes a day? I bet a lot. I bet a lot of people that are a little hesitant. They only smoke like a half a pack or a little bit less.

Yeah. Like, so what does it say, Jamie? It's still calculating? No, I'm just typing it. Oh, sorry. And isn't there something about, like, nicotine, like when COVID happened, they were like, if you're a smoker, you're good. and I never got fucking COVID.

Yes. And I was like, yay, nicotine. Well, there's something about smoking cigarettes. It's supposed to be really good to prevent COVID. It's really confusing to people. So crazy. Yeah, 10 to 20% of people who smoke at some point in their lives will develop lung cancer.

With many studies landing about 15%. I thought it was a lot less than that. Large study estimates that 15 out of 100 current smokers will get lung cancer over the... But that's estimated from a study, another analysis, Found roughly one in seven current smokers develop blood cancer. People who never smoke have a one to two percent chance or a lifetime risk of lung cancer. Wow.

Yeah, people who never smoke. Overall, only a minority of smokers get lung cancer, but smoking still causes about 80 to 9 percent of the lung cancer deaths. Oh, this is something we talked about yesterday, Jamie, that we forgot to look up. There was some sort of a study that's connecting people that live in Europe that have. high polyphenol diets. So they have like they use a lot of olive oil. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And olive oil seems to protect.

It's a very controversial statement because people think, oh, my God, you're promoting cigarettes. I don't think they're promoting cigarettes. They're just looking at data that these people that have high olive oil content in their diets seem to not have any problems with cigarettes or not have nearly as many problems. Oh, wow. Yeah, which makes sense because olive oil is so good for you. You got to think it's got to balance out a lot of the free radicals and bullshit that you're getting from life. It makes sense that it would apply to smoking as well.

Totally. Yeah, that's, yeah, I heard that. So, smoke them if you got them. Fucking, dude. Get some extra virgin olive oil. Let's fucking go. Dip them. Dip them like shirm.

Have you ever tried shirm? A long time ago. Did you? Whoa. Yeah, in fucking high school days, man. People in Europe who eat high polyphenol diets. but smoke still face the full, very high health risks of smoking. Diet cannot cancel out cigarette damage.

It can only modestly improve overall risk markers. But there was an article that I had read that they were connecting it. They were talking about Europeans, Eheritism, especially Mediterranean-rich plant diets, consume substantial polyphenols from fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, tea, olive oil, and wine. Polyphenol intake is linked to better cartels. cardiovascular risk profiles and lower long-term heart disease risk and overall mortality in observational studies. Because that's the other thing about cigarettes. It's not just cancer.

It's also heart disease. And so polyphenols have antioxidants and anti-inflammatory effects. But current evidence does not show they can neutralize the cardiovascular cancer or lung damage risk from smoking. What it means for smokers. Ah. Haders. You have to have some vices. Most of the people I know that in Alcoholics Anonymous

they say fucking drink coffee every day and they smoke cigarettes. Yeah. Big percentage of them. Ripping cigarettes. Yeah. Because it gets you a little high. Yeah.

But it's like a very manageable high. Yeah. Like the cigarette high is like, oh, I'm all right. Yeah, it's just like a little lightheaded. Yeah. Okay. But also like good for cognitive function, you know? Oh.

Like, you know, Pink Floyd? When they wrote the wall, they were high. fuck on cigarettes. Those guys smoke cigarettes all day long. What? Yeah. Yeah, those dude smoked a ton of cigarettes. Get out of here. Yeah. Is that coffee, dude? Yeah, get in there, dog. Fuck yeah. Thank you, bro. My pleasure. Yeah.

Yeah. Tony Hitchcliff told me that, and he's a giant cigarette fan. Stephen King said that, too. When he stopped smoking cigarettes, it affected his writing. Oh, whoa. Yeah, he said his synapses just didn't fire as fast anymore. Whoa. It's like that was one of the things that I really noticed. when I quit smoking. That's wild.

Yeah. Huh. Doesn't that make sense, though? It does. I remember quitting for a short time there. I remember everything tasting better. I'm sure. Oh, shit.

Yeah, like everything just tasted better. Yeah. Of course. Pound in a cigarette immediately following every single meal or drink. It's got to numb the inside of your mouth in some way or dull your senses. Something. You're caking it with smoke. Yeah, it's carcough.

Clog up the old taste receptors. Yeah, dude. But a lot of creative people swear by cigarettes, man. I think there's some benefit to it. Yeah, hopefully. No, I think there is. I think there's some cognitive benefit. There's just way too many, like, super creative people.

And a lot of intelligent people, a lot of professors use tobacco. David Kilmer says he never smokes cigarettes. David Gilmore but didn't Roger Waters I think goes on to say that some of the band did smoke cigarettes but it's more about their marijuana and hashie smoking than tobacco so Tony Hinchcliffe spread misinformation

and here I am repeating it he might have been told though yeah I'm sure he was told well Roger we all did hang out with Roger that one night that was pretty dope we got to see Roger Waters live and we came on the podcast we hung out and then we went to see his concert It was insane.

Oh, I bet it was fucking round. Another legend was still like full power on stage. It's incredible. That's the best. The show was amazing. And it's like he has these enormous screens behind him. So the show is like, it's the music, but it's also these incredible visuals that you're watching while the music is playing. Yeah.

You know, and his is so politically loaded. So it's, you know, you see all this crazy shit like while he's singing these songs. Like when they're playing the wall, it's like, fuck. Yeah. I remember seeing one of those tours. Maybe it was, I don't know, but the wall is slowly building over the hole. Yeah. It's fucking crazy. And when we went to see him, Ari was high as fuck on acid and he's crying in the middle of the show.

He's crying. He's crying. It was fucking phenomenal. Oh, my God. Dude. I don't know if I could handle that. Yeah, I don't know either. Jesus.

Like, get the fuck out of here with the acid. We're just going to go see the concert. I'm about doing that. Yeah, dude. Fuck, around all those people, I'd probably, I don't know if that'd be a good one. Probably not a good one, but Ari's a experienced passenger. You know what I mean? He could ride some waves.

Good boy. He could ride some waves without throwing up. Do you ever look back and just say, God, it's a wonder I'm still alive? I told you earlier, I pinch myself on a daily basis. I really do. that like I shouldn't technically be here. Right. Maybe you shouldn't.

I don't know. Who knows? We all got our thing. But, oh man, I'm really lucky to be here. And I think it's because I want to be here. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I want to be here. Like, I want to fucking see.

I'm kind of pissed because I feel like we're not even close to where we should be. I mean, the year 2000, where's my fucking spaceship? Right. You know, like, where is that? It was supposed to be full Jetsons. Bro, they're extremely late or it's never going to happen. I think there's a real problem with people flying around. They lied.

The problem with people flying around is you've got to catch them. Whereas if they're on the street, just close off the street and then you catch them. Right, yeah. If people are flying around, like if someone drops a bank and they go brr-r-r-r-r-r-and they just go off, like, no, no, no, no. You can't have that for everybody. You got to have people corral in nice, like, very clean lines. We can block these lines off, very obvious paths. Use lights to start and stop.

Fly over them in helicopters, put a spotlight down on them, so you follow them around. That's what people like. They don't like this idea of the jets and, like that's not... Fuck, I want that, dude. I want my own little... Well, they do have flying cars now. I saw some of those.

There's a couple. There's like a one company called Jet One. It's like this little... It looks like a little... It's like a one-man drone. Four helicopters. I'm like... Me and my manager were always like,

should we fucking get a couple of these? You don't want to die that way. Yeah. Let those things get worked out for a few years. Yeah, it needs a little bit more time for it to be soup, but... Yeah, man, because, I mean, think about, like, how glitchy early cell phones were.

You know what I mean? Dude, right. Let that shit get ironed out. Yeah. Let the eggheads work on that for a little bit. Polish it up nice. Yeah, that'd be cool. Fix all the bugs.

Yeah. It's like, I don't know what happens when those things crash. Like, do you get a warning when they're about to die? Like, do you run out of batteries? Is it run out of gas? Is it allowed to run out of gas? Can you just be an asshole and just fly until you run out of? of gas and die?

Yeah. Or, you know, I think I could make it home. Like, how many guys have done that in their cars? I think I could make it home. When I was in high school, my friend picked me up in his buddy's 1970 Chavelle's fucking amazing Chabelle. So dope. And I remember he ran out of gas and we coasted perfectly right to the gas station.

No way. Yeah. It was like, we shut the car. We got out. I was like, that was amazing. Because, you know, we're 16. It ran out of gas at the pump. I was like, this is perfect.

No pushing, no nothing, just... But if you're in one of them little drones and that shit goes on E... Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking... Parts. Yeah.

Yeah, not good. Did you see that documentary that they did about that kid that stole a plane? He was like working at an airport and he stole a plane and hijacked it and then flew it and crashed it. and died. Yes.

But he's like having conversations with them. Yeah, he's talking to him going like, I don't know what I'm doing, man. But, you know, this one's for the, I don't know. Yeah. He's just, and they were just like, well, I could run it, dude. Well, they were trying to get him to land it. They were trying to get him to land it. But the reality was, like, he's no way he was going to figure out how to land that thing.

He's a dead man. The moment he got off the ground, he's a dead man. Yeah. And he just stole the plane. And there's a whole documentary about it. It's apparently very interesting. Oh, wow. I have not seen the documentary,

but I've seen clips of them trying to talk him down, and he just seemed like that wasn't an option. He just seemed like this. He was ready to wrap it up. He was taking this, that one flight. Yeah, ready to wrap it up. Yeah. Hope your insurance covers this.

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What's it called? Sky King. It's what? Sky King, it's called. Sky King. Poor dude. Oh, damn. Well, at least they gave him a rad title.

Yeah, well, the unfortunate thing is that might encourage other people to do it as well. Oh, yeah. People are very stupid. Dude, people are stupid. I just released a song called Stupid World a couple weeks ago, and that's exactly what that's about. It's literally we have gotten to a place where everything, to me, like we are at, just epic stupid proportions,

where you're just like, not a day goes by where I'm like, that's fucking ridiculous. That's stupid. Like, how stupid can we get? Anyway, I wrote this track. It's called Stupid World. Well, you live in L.A., which is one of the stupidest fucking places on Earth. Dude, I know.

It's fucking insane. I'm like, and I'm doing the same thing, too. Like, why do I live here? I mean, I love it there. But in the same breath, there's always in the back of my head is why? Look, it's one of the most beautiful places on Earth. The weather's perfect. Yes.

Most of the people are very friendly. Most of the people are cool. You know, it's like, it's only a percentage of the people that are, that suck. It's a large percentage, but it's only a percentage. The majority of the people are cool. The problem is it's like slowly becoming a new Detroit. It's like slowly the film business is like dried up. Yeah.

Like completely dried up. Television, completely dried up. Late night TV. It's dried up, man. And that was fueling a giant part of like what made LA special. I know. And it's just dried up, man. Nobody has to be there anymore and they make it intolerable.

They make you seem like you have to be there. So they just punish you with taxes and they punish you with regulations. They punish you. They make it everything very difficult to conduct business, very difficult to be safe, very difficult to just feel fucking normal. Yeah. And they get surprised when people leave. Like, what do you want? Yeah.

What do you think you're doing to that place? You guys can see the statistics. Stop fucking gaslighting the world. Right. You guys fuck this place sideways and you'd want to keep doing it. And the weirdest thing is, you know, like, you know, you hear and you see, oh, man, fuck a bunch of people are leaving L.A. And part of me is like, fuck yes. Get the fuck out of here.

There's too many people here. So go. But then I realize nothing's really changed and I don't really notice that people have left. Traffic's still the same. A bunch of shit's exactly the same. And you tell me this many people left, I don't see it. And I wonder if that's not maybe a, I don't know, a hyped statistic. Yeah, it's not a scientific analysis.

No, like, the numbers are real. People have left L.A., but it doesn't matter. You could lose 5 million people in L.A. is still too big. The traffic's bananas. Dude, it's fucking retarded. It's bananas. It's bananas. If you want to go to Orange County at 4 o'clock,

or shoot yourself. Like, it's a real, that's a real decision. You drive to Orange County at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, you're like, what the fuck am I doing with my life? This is crazy. Yeah, and don't even think about hitting the 405 at all. No. No, you're going to have to go some sideways.

Yeah. You're going to have to use ways. Yeah. And even then you're fucked. Even then it's an hour and a half. If you live in like Irvine and you commute to L.A., God bless you. Dude. God bless you.

Yeah. How do you do it? I don't know. People do it every day. They just want to live in a place like Irvine, real safe, real nice. Yeah, just nice. But I got to work in L.A. Fuck it.

I'll just drive in every day. Just all fucking mad and just... I would get up at 5 in the morning and just go to the gym. That's what I would do. I'd get up 5 in the morning, drive to L.A. I'd get a membership in L.A. at the gym. That way, I'm driving with no traffic. At least one way.

At least getting there, I have no traffic. Yeah. And then you deal with the home commute. Doing it to both. to and from, fuck you. Fuck you. I'm not doing that.

It's too gnarly. I'd rather get up at five in the morning. I can't imagine even doing it once a day. But there's a lot of people that do three hours a day minimum in their car. And they really live

20 minutes away. If they didn't have traffic, they would be there in 25 minutes. Man. That's pretty crazy when you realize all we have here on this planet is time.

and you realize that kind of time, you're wasting. Wasting. And you're never going to get back. And you're like, if I do this consecutively every single day, I wonder what, add that time up over, you know, whatever, however many years. And I'll bet you people would freak the fuck out. Yeah, you lost years of your life. I just lost years of my life in the fucking car. Yeah.

Yeah. But the good thing is, one thing that you can do in the car is listen to books on tape. Yeah. And books on tape are amazing. And, you know, podcasts, too, for some people. Yeah. But for me, a lot of it is books on tape. Because, like, you'll get lost in a book, and it doesn't even really bother you that much. And one of the crazy, if you have a Tesla, my Tesla does auto driving.

So if I want to, if I'm leaving here, and there's some crazy traffic for some reason, I just go, doot-doot. I just turn it on and it goes. I don't have to hit the blinkers. I don't have to change lanes. I don't have to stop at red lights. It does everything. Distressed.

And all I have to do is just keep my fingers on the wheel, just like this. Oh, to make it look like your own awake. No, you're supposed to like stay in contact with the wheel and just keep your eyes on the road. But you don't have to think at all. You know, you can't do that. You're not supposed to do that. It probably would still work. I don't even know.

What happens if you just go to sleep? I think it shuts down after a second or starts to. probably recognizes that you're doing that and shuts down. But the reality is, like, that as a stress decoupler, there's nothing like that. Oh, man, the best. You just put your fingers on the wheel and just chill. And now all you're doing is sitting for an hour and a half. Instead of, like, constantly hitting the brake, constantly hitting the brakes,

now you're just chilling and you can get you just like listen to your book on Bonsai. Yeah, no, that is nice, man. I don't know about you, but like if I start, like, you know, you start reading a book, Just, you know, your eyes focusing and reading, they get tired. So you get more in listening to it, an auditory version of it, rather than, for me, at least, sort of eye stressing on reading and doing all that. Yeah, I get tired and then fucking lose interest. Yeah, there's definitely something to that. Reading always makes me want to go to sleep.

Yes. Especially at night helps you fall asleep. but there's also something about reading in your head because you create the voices and you create everything like you use your imagination when you're just reading that doesn't exist with books on tape but with audio books I don't have the time so for me it's a time thing yeah like if I have a guess coming on and the guest is like an astrophysicist that has some very bizarre theory about something like I need to absorb the information and I have a limited amount of time so I listen to audiobooks in the gym. I listen to audiobooks in the sauna, and I listen to it in the car on the way to

work. And so that all together is a couple hours in a day. So I can do that and get a lot of information in where I wouldn't, I don't have the couple hours to sit down and just read. I just, I don't. I wish I did. I don't. So I can still get all that data and that information, but I have to be very diligent about actually listening. Yeah. That's the thing. Because especially at the gym, you can get a little just distracted, and you're like, what the fuck did he just say? And you have to back it up. And when that happens, generally, I just shut it off.

I'm like, this workout's too intense. I can't really pay attention. Yeah, you're going to, what do they say? Do what you're doing when you're doing it. Yeah, yeah. People think they're multitasking. Right. That doesn't fucking exist.

You really, yeah, whatever. You're sort of multitasking, but you're robbing from Peter to pay Paul. Thank you very much. Yeah. You're taking away some of your attention on what you're doing to pay attention to this other thing, and it's definitely making you less good at either one of those things. And if one of them is very simple, and it's like it doesn't matter, okay, you could be distracted. Right, right.

But if it's two important things, you're robbing each important thing. You're robbing attention from these things. Yeah. There it is. Yeah. There it is. Well, I've always find that, like, my best workouts are in silence. It's like, you don't, it's so hard to work out.

Like, you really need to only be thinking about what you're doing. And if you add in a bunch of stuff, except music. Music is always fuel for workout. That's different. Sure. But books, it's like music you can listen and then stop listening. You could be in the middle of the set. It doesn't distract you with lyrics.

It just gives you some energy in the air. Yeah. Music is the ultimate companion for working out. Yeah. No doubt. No doubt. So much so that David Gagins doesn't use it because he says it's cheating. What?

He goes, he's cheating. You know, because he's just a complete total psycho. Is that that like... Ultra Marathon guy? Yeah. Oh, okay, I thought it was the Live Forever guy. Oh, no, no, that's Brian Johnson. That's the guy who, like, has his son's blood injected into him.

Yeah, that dude. I'm sorry. I'm confusing this. David Guggins is a totally different guy. He's the Navy SEAL who run... I think he... How many ultramarathons did he run in a month? Something insane.

He runs 100-mile races and he's... It's like an insane fitness freak. Oh, wow. And when he works out, these workouts where, like, famously he'll take, like, professional fighters, and they work out with them, and they can't keep up, and they're just throwing up, and they just can't believe how much this guy works. And he's doing it easy where he's just talking to them the entire time and they can't keep up.

He finished eight 100-mile marathons in eight consecutive weekends. So he ran 800 miles in eight weekends. He's a nut. And he does, like, he'll be, like, at home and just decide, I'm going to do a 60-mile ruck right now and just, like, throws on a backpack, gets outside, and starts rucking. And they'll just do 60 miles. And so he'll go out there for hours and hours.

Just decides. This is what I'm going to do, and I'm not stopping until I'm done. And he does it all the time. Whoa. He's in insane shape. And he's 50. Wow. He's in insane.

He also has no knees. His knees are completely destroyed. All from pounding on. They're bone-on bone. He's had a ton of operations, doesn't care, keeps going, on bone on bone. It's just a maniac. It's a complete and total maniac, but he doesn't use music because he says it's cheating. Wow.

That's amazing. It's cheating. It shows you I like to cheat. I like to use that music. I like to cheat. I need to cheat to get that energy extra. I mean, I can do it myself maybe, but why would I when I go, boom, da-d-d-d-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d------------------.

I mean, give me that fucking, give me that fucking music. Yeah, man. If it's cheating, I'm going to cheat at that. Yeah, that's not cheating. I don't think of it as cheating. That's called inspiration. Yes, it's an awesome supplement. That's what I call it.

There you go. But for him, it's all about mental strength. And so he considers it cheating to use that mental strength. Like your mental strength should be right from your brain. He goes, you can't always count on that music. The music's not always going to be there. Like, okay. I guess so.

He kind of has a. I get it. Yeah. Do what you're doing. For what he does, he kind of has a point. Yeah, I could see that. He's focusing. Yeah.

No, no distractions. Yeah, he says he's gaining knowledge. He says, I'm gaining knowledge. I'm acquiring knowledge. He must be doing... I believe him. I believe him because he's thinking he's going into the dark realms of his mind, you know.

Whoa, dude. Intense suffering, running 100-mile races eight weekends in a row. He's doing some serious other work. Right. While he's running... That's the real, like, deep introspective work. You want to find out who you really are? Run eight, 100-mile races in eight weeks.

Imagine those conversations you're having with yourself. What the fuck am I doing? No, dude, you got this. You got this. No, dude, you're an idiot. No, bro. Fuck yes. I think he probably used to have those conversations.

Now it's just battling demons. It's all just demons. It's all just crushing down negative thoughts, crushing down weakness. You know? I know. Fuck. There's a lot of different kinds of people in this world, Tommy.

Yeah, there are, dude. It's pretty crazy out there. And I bet you've met every variety of them. Just about. Oh, my God. That's funny. Wow. I know.

There's some crazy people in this world. Yeah, there is. But we need all of them. You know, we need our Tommy Lee's. We need our David Lee Ross. We need our, you know, we need our David Goggins. We need all those people. That's what makes the world.

beautiful is that there are so many different people you can meet someone like fuck i never met a guy like him that's nuts yeah that is what it is wonderful isn't it wonderful i mean you must have met every fucking human being that's ever lived practically dude i feel like it just about i mean you've been famous since what year like what year did motley crew really break out it's like 80 80 that's nuts yeah boy that world was a different place Borough. The world was a different place. No internet.

No, no cell phones. Who was president in 1980? Was that even Reagan yet? Almost. When did Reagan become president? Yeah, fuck. Reagan was president when I was in high school. Who to fuck?

So that was in the 80s. What year, Jamie? Started in 81. Eighty-181. So 1980, Reagan. wasn't even president yet. Fuck, who was president? How to be Jimmy Carter, right?

That sounds right. Wasn't it Jimmy Carter before Reagan? Yeah. Yeah. So was Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. Whoa, dude. Wow, isn't that nuts? Mm-hmm.

1980. What was that scene like? Bro. That was still to this day, Motley did, we did this, movie called The Dirt and it's based on our autobiography from you know certain years from this year to this year and it kind of like it shows how it fucking was and one of one of the coolest things

ever is when you know see you know emails from fans or questions from fans and they're like dude was it and these are from like you know 18 year old kids they're like was it really like that

when you guys were rocking shit like that I was like 100% they're like fuck we and they're bummed they're like

we will never ever get to experience that fuck it was like it was just full on till the wheels fall off No, you could get away with fucking murder.

Literally, there's no phones and no, this was at a time where anything, anything goes. Pretty much. How old were you in 1980? In 1980, I was 18. Jesus Christ. 18, 17? So you're blowing up at 18. 18 years old.

How the fuck did you manage? I know, dude. Look at that picture. That's crazy. That looks like a picture from like 1940. Right? It's like a world. I know.

Even the font from Motley Crew. Yeah. Looks ancient. Totally. Wow. God, dude. Does that even seem real when you look at that picture? Look at our fucking little cheesy cloth backdrop.

That's dope. wrinkles in the fabric that's what the whiskey yeah whiskey too fast for love fucking great song and that fucking drum riser that that right there with the lights in it yeah my dad fucking fucking and my dad myself and my drum tech we built that riser dude like it had fucking switches my dad was a mechanic uh and so he my dad built he you know he was like i you know you drum riser? All right. Let's go. I mean, dude, he would, my dad would built us on pyro.

Fucking he, like, drilled out these, or cut these big blocks of wood, ran electrical prongs up through the wood, and then you take a little small wire and you connect the tube, put a pipe over it, fill it with gunpowder, and we'd be out in my backyard, dude,

and the neighbors would be all And it's like, fire. There's these fucking mushroom clouds in my backyard. And the neighbors are like, what the fuck is going on? And my dad, like, he just loved it. He's like making bombs, lighting rigs, drum risers. And he would drive me to the gigs. And in his van with all my shit, like, I had the best dad fucking ever.

That's awesome. Yeah. And here's a mechanic, okay? Look at this fucking setup. up, bro. This is nuts. Oh, dude, right? The hamster wheel? Yeah. That is crazy. Yeah, that's nuts. Bro, you were doing drums like halfway upside down. Dude, the thing was gyroscoped. It went around, you know, right to left, back to front. What is it like trying to play the drums from that position, though? That's got to be very weird. Dude, it is insane. Like, I had to, like, I had to

change so many dynamics. Like, think about it. Instead of gravity pulling your hand down, right? Right. Now you've got to push. Oh, yeah. You're upside down. So it becomes three times harder physically. And also you had to make adjustments.

So I don't know how much you know about drums, but on your pedals, they're foot pedals for your bass drums, right? Well, and those are chain-driven pedal, footboards. So when you go upside down, they fall. So I had to put springs underneath the pedals to keep them taught so they would stay up.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. So I had, and with symbols, they're meant to hang a certain way. They're not meant to hang upside down so I had to make all these crazy adjustments technically to pull it off. But we figured it out with the high hat too

because the high hat would, you know, the two symbols that, they would just, if you're upside down, they just, they just go open. Right. So I had to do another spring as well to keep that close so I could manually drive it. It's all this crazy shit. Why did you decide to do that? Like, what was, it just something rad?

Twizzlers keep the fun going. Yeah, I know. I just stopped whatever you were listening to to tell you that Twizzlers keep the fun going. Well, irony isn't my forte. But twisty, chewy, yummy Twizzlers sure is. So think of Twizzlers as a little palate cleanser for whatever's queued up, which, by the way, should be coming very soon. Like any second now.

Okay, Twizzlers, time to keep the fun going. You know what? That all started, and it's kind of been my thing throughout history. And every year I do something fucking different and crazier, of course. Everybody's like, what are you going to do next year? What are you going to do next year? that's sort of like that's where it all started and it really started when I went to go see it was fucking Pat Travers um do you remember Pat Travers band?

No boom boom I'll go the lights oh yeah yeah yeah okay yeah anyway they were cool and I went to go see them and Tommy Aldrich was the drummer and this is before Motley I'm just like whoa dude I'm like a fucking kids standing on the chair. Fuck yeah. Right? And his drum solo time. And he's a badass. And he's just, he's fucking ripping, dude.

All you see is sticks flying and hair fucking going. He's shredding. And I'm looking around and I'm watching people go get a beer, people going to pee, going to get a t-shirt, going out to lobby to fucking smoke a joint. I don't know, whatever. Everybody's kind of leaving. And I'm like, where the fuck is everybody going?

That guy is murdering the fucking drums right now. And y'all are like, he failed to capture their attention. And from that moment on, I went, I need to figure out, A, how to give the audience a better view of what you're actually doing there because people can't see.

It's not like a guitar. Right, right, right. Or you can see, oh, there's the, that's the roller coaster. That's the crucify, dude. That's so dope. That's the latest one. That thing went from the front all the way to the back of the fucking arena or stadium.

That's crazy, dude. And then it starts twirling as it's going down. Oh my God, you're upside down. That's so sick. Look at that, dude. That is so sick. The audience must go bananas. Yeah, at one point, the roller coaster comes down and it's literally almost over.

just they could almost touch you. Wow. Look at that shit, dude. I think that is the worst. How do you not get a crazy head rush when you're upside down banging on the drums? Dude, it is so gnarly. I'm wrecked.

It's nine minutes total. Must do a lot for your core too, right? Oh, fucking hold yourself. Dude, I'm on the oxygen bottle. When I finish, I go all the way out and then I do it all backwards. Whoa. They go back and do it backwards.

And by the time I get done, I'm sitting there with the oxygen going while Mick does a guitar solo I just need a couple seconds because I am fucking done. I can imagine man, it's incredible cardio. It's insane. It's like shadow boxing for minutes at a time. Hardcore, super fast.

Yeah. I've always admired the physical fitness. Yeah. Just constantly and you know what that's like, man. After a fucking minute of that you're like, I know. The physical fitness involved in playing drums must be really crazy. Like if you didn't play drums for like a few years and then picked it up again and started to get it probably take forever to get that endurance back. Forever, dude. Because it's so, like when you're going off, dude, you're so fast. It's so fast. Dude, it's like everything's fucking moving,

you're pounding on your feet and everything like, fuck, man. I know. It's one of the most athletic things in all of music. It really is, man. And I had this, I was like, okay, how come I've weighed the same weight since fucking high school till today. Right. And I'm like, that's fucking weird. And I eat kind of whatever the fuck I want to eat. Like, I don't, there's no, I don't like diet or have some strict, you know, regimented food program.

I was like, I'm going to fucking, I got to see. I got one of those, this was years ago, it was like a pedometer. You clip onto your shoe, like joggers would use it to. See how there's like the old version you just clipped it on your on your shoe and it tells you how many miles you did Like a little Tachometer not a tachometer yeah I know what you mean a pedometer yeah So I'm like I get one I clip it on I'm like I'm wonder what how many fucking miles I'm doing after a two-hour show I don't know fuck who knows I know I'm sweaty as fuck and I'm

After the show all as I hear is ringing in my ear and I'm fucking wrecked I'm wrecked I'm done and I fucking took it off after the show and I looked down and it said 13.3 miles and I was like so that's why I don't fucking that's why I'm just skinny fuck and like I just I'd sweat it out I'm Travis Barker same deal same deal yeah I mean he works out a lot as well but it's like same deal yeah yeah it's like incredible amounts of cardio the amount of I wonder how many calories you burn in a two-hour show. It's got to be off the charts.

Yeah, that I haven't measured. Because it's not just jogging. It's not like you're running 13 miles. Obviously, you're sitting still. But the pounding of the arms. Yes, yeah. And the breathing, you know, you've got to fucking control. Yeah.

It's like, God. Yeah, everything's going, man. You're firing on a whole cylinder. For sure, the most athletic thing in all of music, for sure. Nothing even close, right? Yeah, no. I mean, playing guitars, you're moving your hands and everything. But it's not, not nearly.

Drums are like, it's more like a sport. It really is. It really is. It really is. Like, you don't see a really out of shape drummer. No. You know? It's almost like you can't be to keep up.

No, I know. And everybody's, you're kind of like, you're the fucking heartbeat, man. You're, you're really, everybody's kind of, you know, people say you're, you're only as good, your band's only as good as your drummer. And that's really fucking, it's really true. and I'm not just saying that because I'm a fucking drummer, but drummer has a lot of responsibility, man. Everybody, all the people that you see out there that are fucking moving, I'm responsible for a lot of that.

I'm not saying for all of it, but you sort of set the pace, you know, and you're making people physically move, right? Like, that takes a lot of work. You know, the amount of energy you're, putting out, you're getting back and you're seeing it and you're like, fuck, I'm driving here. Yeah. And that's a cool place to be, but it is a responsibility and it is physical and it's

training, but it's fucking rat. I live for it. Did you take lessons to learn how to drum or did you learn on your own? I didn't really take lessons. I learned on my own until, I mean, like kind of early in high school, I played in the marching band but that wasn't really like drums that was like more like like a drum core stuff like rudiments and like you know drum core shit it not really the whole kit till later um i got the school my high school to let me or sorry my grade school to let me borrow the drum the jazz drum set at the

school and i'd bring it home and then i started just like listening to my favorite shit and i would just play along. And so I never really took any physical lessons. I just, just in me, man. I was just like, I'm really good at hearing something and going, oh, okay, I got it.

Did you have to learn how to hold the sticks? Do you hold the sticks in a conventional way, like you're taught, or did you just figure it out on your own? I just figured it out on my own, just probably just moved on from the forks and the spoons. It's interesting how many great musicians learned on their own. Yeah.

Like Hendrick. Hendrix, Hendrix taught himself to play guitar. That's why he played it upside down, left-handed. He just made it work. Yeah. Yeah. Just figured out how to do it on his own. It's really interesting how, like with, you know, when you just get an instrument

and listen to other people use it and learn how they're doing it and just kind of fuck around with it and figure it out. And then doing it your own way, of course, and then, whoa, then you got your own thing, which is wonderful, man. Well, if you think about early rock and roll versus the way drum, the way drums are played like you play or like Travis plays like some elite drummer plays it's like drums are so much it's like it's so much more powerful now than ever before I know man god and then that thing happens I don't know if you've ever been around like a like a drum circle the more drummers there are like all of a sudden it just it becomes this this thing it grows into this tribal like dude everybody's just being moved by rhythm yeah

And fuck, it's so powerful. It's like, you know, I don't know. That kind of, it's a more aggressive power than the kind of power where you can make somebody fucking cry playing the piano. Right. Playing the right course. Right.

I watch them cry. Yeah. But yeah, that's fun, man. There's nothing better than rhythm, man. I live for that shit. No, I can doubt. I was getting trouble all the time, man, in school because I'd always be like,

always always can you stop tapping on the tables yep sorry we sit back in the back of class and be like making like water drip noises everyone's looking around for a leak class clown well there's something about drums that it's like a part of like tribal culture like from the beginning of human time like people pounding on drum boom boom boom boom for war for yeah they pounded it on ships to keep pace with the rowing. You know, there was a guy that was the drummer on a ship. Yeah. You know, to make sure everybody keeps pace.

It's kind of wild. Isn't that cool? You know, they knew, even back then, there's something about the sound of drums that's important. The heartbeat. Do you ever fuck around with bongos? Oh, sure. Yeah, those, a lot of handed instruments, bongos, congas.

I just, at the last couple years, but. been playing a hand drum. People call them a hang drum, hand drum. You know them? Have you seen them? They're like, they look like a fucking flying saucer. Oh, yeah, I have. Yeah. Yeah. And they're really melodic, really beautiful zanny sounding instrument. That's cool because it's percussive and melodic. So you can come up with these really bitching, depending on how the instruments tuned and stuff. But that's been a lot of fun. That's cool. Like, sort of, A different kind of rhythm, but it's a soothing one. It's a total opposite of the aggressive shit.

Right, right, right. Well, I mean, it must be fun since you've been playing drums for so long, just experiment with different things. I love that, man. I'm always searching for a new sound, you know, a new percussive sound that moves you, makes you fucking, I don't know, it gets inside you. Right.

I'm always on the hunt, dude. I'm such a tweaker, like, you know, find something that sonically sounds like a drum. It could be a drum. It's not. And I'll make it, I'll turn it into something that sounds like a drum. And all of a sudden, you know, that, you know,

I don't know, hitting on these L-corns or something sounds like a woodblock, but pitched way, way down, it more sounds like a note going um um I don't know like I'm just I love I love percussion

and rhythm so I'm always fucking around trying to find something that moves us you know that's my job yeah I'm here to move you man it's a cool fucking job

yeah I like it man it doesn't suck no it doesn't suck no when you're working on a new song when you're creating a new song what is your process do you do you have a beat in your head do you do you do you sit down and just start fucking around until something comes to you like how do you do it you know what it's always different i wish i could say i had like a thing a process i really don't man like you know

it'll be uh something that happened to me or something i'm experiencing will spark a word or a a chant all the sudden, you know, then that I'll pick up a fucking guitar and be like, oh, this is killer. Or sometimes they come with a beat. I'm like, oh, this is a fucking killer beat. This would be great. And then I'll start with a beat and then add guitars. It's never really, there's not really like a format.

I just kind of go with whatever sort of inspiring me at the time that I feel like I need to write about. Yeah. There's not really like a way. I know a lot of people have a methodical way. Like, well, I start with the lyric first. Always the lyric first. Nothing else is important.

Okay, dude. Why don't we get people to move first before you try to seduce them with these fucking crazy words? Actually, no one's going to even... Spoken like a true drummer. No one's going to even get to these fucking words if you can't get them to stay listening.

Right, right. Or to move. They're like, oh, this is nice. Right. It's not the key moment when you're like, ooh, this is cool. Before you've even heard of a lyric or a melody, that's kind of my, like, my priority is like, is it moving me? Yeah. Okay, let's go.

It seems like having a bunch of different methods to get there is probably better anyway. Yes. Because there's all sorts of different paths to get to the prize. Right. And having a bunch of different methods of creativity is probably better. It's going to give you different results, right? Yeah. Instead of being, okay, well, it's going to start to sound the same.

If you keep using the same method. Yeah. When you write, do you write down on paper? Or do you just? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, paper. Yeah.

Do you ever write on computer or do you ever, like, just write in your own head? You ever just like... I use a computer a lot, too. A lot for, excuse me, for demos. That's a really quick way to, you know, where I can... I can present a song to the band where, you know, fuck, I play guitar, sing, drums, bass. So I'll bring in demos that's... Totally created by you.

Yeah, they sound finished, you know. It's like, okay. And then, you know, and we'll go from there. So, yeah, I always try to, like, you know, not finish everything entirely because, you know, when you're in a band with three other guys, who also create, kind of leave it open for that. But yeah, I'd use the computer a lot to sort of compose the ideas and get them recorded, sort of produce them. It's really beautiful that, you know, Motley Crew hit in 1980, here we are, 46 years later.

And you still love it. I know. That's so awesome. Isn't that kind of crazy? That's what everybody wants in this life. Something that they're passionate about that remains a passion. It stays. And if anything grows as a passion, still exciting, still enticing, still captivates you.

1980. The world was a different place. I mean, think about where we were in the universe in 1980 and how the entire solar system is spiraling through the galaxy, which is spiraling through space. Like, we've moved how many fucking million miles since 1980? I know. That's hard to think about. You know, have you ever seen what the, you know, we always want to think about the sun being in the center of our solar system and the planet spinning around it. But have you ever seen what the whole solar system looks like, like moving through space?

The whole thing's moving through space. It's not stationary. It's not like we're sat there and we're just spinning around. Yeah, and everybody else is just sitting there. The fucking whole thing is hurling through space. So in 1980, we were in a totally different spot in the universe. That's crazy. That is crazy.

The world was different. People were different. Information was different. Our version of reality was different. Everything. Everything was different. Fuck. And you wrote it out from answering machines to pagers to fucking sidekicks to iPhones, to the internet, to everything.

Remember the Motorola brick phone? Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude. You were a pimp if you had one of those. Fuck, yeah. Look at it. This is what it looks like. This is, see, most people think our solar system looks like, but this is what it actually is doing.

Oh, it's true. How our solar system actually moves. So look, the sun's hurling through space and all the planets are spinning around it as it hurls through space. Oh. Isn't that crazy? Where's Earth there? Earth is the third planet from the sun. Oh.

The blue one right there. Dude. So just think about that. How many rips? Yeah. How many rips have we done? Have we done since 1980? Bro.

We're in a different place in the fucking universe than we were in 1980. Whoa. How far? Let's ask this. How far has the solar system moved through the universe since 1980? Let's ask perplexity that. Oh, my God. This is one of the best uses of AI, stupid information like this.

Yes. Yeah, it is. It is. I'm going to guess 100 million miles. Just a wild guess. I have no idea. I might be off by 100 million. Well, let me see what it looks like.

Roughly two to three, I think a light year is a trillion miles. Whoa, dude. Two to three light years through space. Okay, how many miles is a light year? Put that in. Oh, I didn't say mile. Right, but how many miles is a light year? I think it's a trillion miles.

Fuck, we're going in. Oh, a light year is 5.88 trillion miles. Dude. Okay. So think about that. Think about how many trillions of miles Earth has traveled through the universe since Motley crew bust out onto the scene. Dude.

Think of that. And a trillion is a thousand billion, right? Yes, a thousand billion. How many thousand billion miles has the earth moved through? So it was like two to three, it was two to three light years. Okay. And each light year is how many trillion? 5.88. 5.88. How about that?

So you're dealing with roughly 15 plus trillion miles? Dude, we're old. Old as fuck. 1980 I was in junior high school. I don't know about old, but fuck we've traveled. We have fucking traveled. Yeah. We have fucking traveled.

Yeah. But that's a freaky thing to think about. how far, we're in a different place in the universe. Well, I thank you for that bit of information. That's nice to, I don't know, just to think about it. Dude, you know how many miles I've fucking traveled, bro? 15 plus trillion. Trillions?

Just since Motley crew bust out onto the scene. What was it like being that famous at 18? That had to be nuts. It's fucking bizarre, dude. Like, I don't even know how to explain it. Just imagine having the fucking, I don't know, the keys to fucking pretty much anything you wanted to do, try. What was the first crazy thing you bought when you first started making cheddar? First thing I bought was my fucking dream car.

It was a fucking 82 Corvette. T-top. Nice. T-tops popped out. What color? It was a champagne-colored. Ooh, nice. It was kind of silvery gold kind of a...

Yeah. Fucking rad, dude. Like, oh, my whole... I don't know when you're a kid. In 82, the Corvette was one of the only American cars worth buying. Because in 82, they were still dope-looking. Like, pull up a 1982 Corvette. Yeah, they're still fucking rough.

Like, Mustangs looked like hot dog shit in 82. They look fucking terrible. They look terrible. Camaro's looked like shit. Everything looked like shit. They were all like plastic garbage. That's still dope. Like that's still dope today.

That's the color I had, dude. Look at that. That's the one. Look at that. Make that bigger. Look at that. That is a fucking dope car today. It's one of the only American cars from 1982 that looks dope today.

Like pull up a 1982 Mustang. 1982 Mustang is going to make you want to vomit. Oh, dude. I know a lot of people. that are like fans of the fox body. Oh, hell no. Look at that. What is that?

Garbage. Bro, that looks like a gremlin. It looks like straight horse shit. That's whatever the fucking Russians did to us to make this make cars like that. Or really the Nixon administration by fucking blocking drugs. Look at how ugly that is. That is fucking disgusting. That is, dude.

Look how fucking disgusting that is. Now I want you to do this. Pull up a 1969 boss 429 Mustang. Put up the pinnacle. The pinnacle of muscle cars. Look at that, motherfucker. Yeah, right. Look at that.

Look at the difference between 1969 and that fucking dog shit in 1982. Extended brimler. Look at that thing. God, da, America! That's a real car. That's badass. They blocked the drugs. They kept those carmakers from having drugs, and they all make garbage, except Corvette.

Yeah. Corvette still stuck with that style, because corvettes were fiberglass, so they weren't as limited in terms of, like, the shapes. You know, they had those cool, swervy lines to them, and they kept those until, oddly enough, the 90s. They started getting shitty in the 90s. Yeah. Look at you, dog. Yeah, there it is, dude. Look at you, dog.

Wow. That's crazy. That's nuts, dude. I wonder who's got that car. I don't know. Somebody has Tommy Lee's 1982 Corvette. Somebody.

They have to. You know that thing's still running. Yeah, probably, hopefully. Yeah. Well, a lot of those, they take them and make resto mods out of them now. They put like a modern engine and modern brakes and everything,

so they handle better and modern suspension. Yeah. I immediately fucking, me and my buddy just took that car and fucking put a fucking blower an injection on it is fucking insane dude

in the glove box this is before like now we have you know a bunch of super rad tuned exhaust you know you know

straight pipe shit loud as fuck this is before that and we we made a couple of cutouts and in the glove box like if the cops are to come you just open the glove box

and take these two they're like choke levers and you You pull them out, and the flaps would disconnect them and just go straight from the headers out and bypass the mufflers. So it would just be like, gh, and gawk, and if the cops are coming, you just push these two choke levers in, and back to the mufflers, all quiet. Yeah, they have switches for that now with a lot of cars, like custom-made cars, they have exhaust switches that do that. but they don't do it to that extent where it just goes straight pipes.

Yeah. Yeah, that must have sounded. That must have sounded fucking amazing. Dude, so rad. Yeah, I mean, there's nothing like rock and roll and muscle cars. Like, those are two things that are like completely connected forever.

Yeah, another fucking rad car that I never got, but I always wanted to, was like the fucking Shelby Cobra. Oh, yeah. The big fucking pipes blown right, just loud as fuck. Like four inch exhaust. Like, yeah, dude, that shit's throaty and just...

Tiny little car, little fiberglass car. Yeah. Go cart with a 427 in it. Crazy power, no weight at all. It weighs nothing. Yeah, it just does burnouts the whole time. It's too much. I have a buddy of mine who has one of those.

It's nuts. But it freaks me out. It's like, there's no protection here. If you get an accident, like, there's like nothing to this car. You know, like you have no roof. You don't even have a roll bar. It's like just got this little tiny windshield. You're behind the wheel of an engine, just a giant engine with four wheels.

Yeah, you're done. Yeah. But it's pretty dope. Yeah, super route. Yeah, like one of those. Like, look at that fucking thing. Dude, I'm sorry, but that's the fucking sick of shit. Radical looking.

Oh, look at the flared wheel. The thing is, too, they make a lot of recreations now. The old ones are worth like millions of dollars. Dude, I know. Yeah. But you can get a recreation and experience the exact same thing. Sure. There's a ton of recreations now, and they're fucking great.

And they look the same. And it's like, yeah, it's not worth as much money, but who fucking cares? Just go drive it. It's awesome. Yeah, if you just enjoy it. Bro, look at it. Oh, that thing's slim. Carbon fiber.

Oh, my goodness. Look at that fucking thing. It's all carbon fiber. Oh, fuck. That must weigh 14 pounds. Let's go get a couple, dude. Dude, who's making that? Click on that link.

Who's making that fucking thing? Yeah, probably is. Well, I know, yeah, classic recreations. That same company that does those dope 67 GT500s. They're making a classic recreations. A thousand horsepower! Oh, dude. It weighs 2,300 pounds.

That's nuts. A thousand? The body, the carbon fiber body is only 88 pounds. Unbelievable. It's 2,000 pounds of suspension. frame and wheels and engine and that's it look at that that's sick

that's so sick that's just straight trouble right there that's going to get in trouble or not or just enjoy yourself just fun yeah but it's America fuck yeah fuck I love those cars what else did you buy that a thousand horse pie no preposterous

yeah what else did you buy that's nuts um when they first came out Um, me and my bass player bought like almost fucking at the same time of Ferrari had come out with the Testarosa. Oh, the Miami Vice car. Totally, dude. Yeah. Yeah.

I had a car broker find me a black on black one. Oh, man. And it was just like, fuck. Okay. This is insane. The listeners will probably appreciate this. You buy a fucking car for 200 at the time, $250. $50,000 for the Testerosa.

Get it shipped from, it came in from Florida to L.A. I'm pulling the plastic off the seats. This is brand fucking new. Back it down the fucking car carrier. And I'm in. The dude's kind of showing me, you know, what's up. And I fucking, I look in the, you know, to the right of the steering wheel, there's like a, like a, like a, looks like a cover. So I grab it and you open it up at that.

where the stereo would be. I open it up and I go, where's the stereo? The guy goes, oh, Enzo believed that the music that you should be listening to

is the sound of the engine. And I'm like, well, that's fucking radding everything, Enzo, but, but bro, I just spent a quarter of a million dollars and I want to fucking crank shit loud as fuck here and breaking the the speed limit. Like, come on.

Who does that? And so I had to go, I got a stereo. At the time, there was no subwifers. There was a bazooka tube was available. You could drop, there's no room, too. So you could get a bazooka tube behind the seats. Right. And some fucking, you know, for a subwifers and some other speakers in the doors.

Decent door speakers. Yeah. They're only decent back then. Yeah. And I had an alpine receiver, but I got it to bump, but I just found it fucking just shocking that like that that much money for a car and you still don't get a stereo. It's pretty ridiculous. Yeah. But they did sound incredible.

And I totally get it. There's a sound that those things make. It's just like, it's heavenly. It's totally different than the American sound of the muscle car sound. The muscle car sounds my all-time. favorite. But there's something melodic about those Ferrari and just whir-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h. It's like a... It's a sound that it has. It's like, it's so spectacular. It's just

engineering and it's wine and pasta and a fucking windy road and... Totally. You know, bonjourno. Totally. Fuck, yes. Fuck, yeah, man. Those things are... There's something special. Again, what is that?

It's a piece of passion. It's artwork. It's artwork that's, you know, made into an engineering form. Yeah. That we get to play with. Yeah. Basically a race car. Yeah.

Like a friend of mine, we were talking about, like, Ferrari, you think Ferrari's are worth it? I go, listen, man, rich people aren't stupid. They're not stupid. If Ferraris weren't worth it, they wouldn't keep buying them. Have you ever driven one? Yeah. No, trust me, they're fucking worth it. Yeah.

Like, yeah, it's a ridiculous amount of money. It's not worth it, really, for a normal. person. But if you have like an insane amount of money and you could experience that, the thing Ferrari fucked up on big time is they took away the manual transmission. They fucked that up. They fucked that up. Porsche is the only one who kept it. They're the only one smart enough to realize. Like there's a part of the experience that you got a fucking wha-h-h-h-h-a-dated shifter where you're clacking them in there in a Ferrari. Yeah. Bring it back. Cut the shit.

Guys are silly. Dude, did you see the fucking electric car they just released? Which one? The Ferrari? That was dog shit. Dude. They fucked that up. Hardcore.

That looks like a joke. It looks like something that someone made for just to get engagement online. Like, it's fake. But it's real. I know. I couldn't. I was like... It looks as likely as those 1982 Mustangs.

Yes. It looks like a bar of a Ferrari electric car. Oh, yeah. Look at Ferrari Look at it, dude It looks so boring What the And so nothing

Look at it Even inside You're like This looks like cheap dog shit Yeah I don't understand it I don't get it either I thought it was like a joke

I know You know like you know Like look at this It's got suicide doors It's kind of dope That's kind of cool But you know what it's really dope On a 65 Continental

Not on this fucking thing Look at ugly You ugly fucking monstrosity That's funny you mentioned that car. That's another one of my favorites. Oh, 65 Continental. Oh, yeah. I know a guy who's got one for sale that's a resto mod, and I'm fucking really thinking about it.

It's a 65 black convertible with the suicide doors, and it's just mint. It's got a new engine in it, like a modern engine, and it's got fucking a perfect suspension in it. It looks so radical. There's something about that car, especially in a convertible, the 65. The convertibles, that's my jam right there. Good luck parking anywhere. Yeah. Might as well be parking a yacht.

It's a fucking boat, dude. It's so big. It's so big. It's so big, but it's so sick. It's just I can't understand how Ferrari can make. Now, I want you to pull up a Ferrari 458 Italia. So I think the 458 is their masterpiece. I think it's the best looking Ferrari that they ever made.

Yep. There's a lot of them that look great. There's a lot of them that are amazing. But for me, there's something about when they came up with the 4-5-8, it just, they nailed it. You look at that. Oh, my God, look at that fucking thing. That is a work of art. It's so beautiful.

And a lot of people think it's the greatest Ferrari ever. When you draw, it also doesn't have a manual transmission, which sucks a fat dick. But other than that, go back to that last picture that you had of that one. Look at that one. Make that bigger. Look at that color. Oh, it's a shitty picture. But God, it's fucking beautiful.

Amazing design. Now, think of the company that made that also made that. Go with that black one right there where your cursor just was. Click on that one. Oh, baby. Look how sick that is. And how do you go from that to that electric piece of shit you guys just released? I don't know.

Fuck you. Fuck you for doing that. How dare you? I bought an F8 Tributo. Oh, those are very. Very similar to... Yeah. And that fucking car is badass.

No, they make incredible cars. They make incredible. And somehow or another, less douchey than a Lamborghini. I don't know how they did it. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like something about a Ferrari that you have when it's sophisticated. You know?

Yeah. Whereas if you have a Lamborghini, like, look at this douchebag. Yeah. Meanwhile, Lamborghinis are awesome. Yeah. They're awesome. But why is that... Why are they, like, attached to...

I guess because it's kind of like, I don't know, I don't know, maybe rappers or something started, started leasing them. It doesn't make any sense. It's like there's something about them that's more ostentatious, it's more obnoxious. The doors, maybe. Just like just too showy. I know, I have a buddy of mine who loves Ferrari. He's a rich guy and he loves Ferrari. He's, I can't try the Lamborghini.

I'm like, why not? He's like, it's just, I don't want, I feel like a douchebag. I'm like, okay, I know what you're saying. There's a real thing there, but I don't know why. Because Lamborghinis are fucking amazing. Yeah, they fucking too have an amazing sound. Oh, yeah. Different from Ferrari.

Exactly. A little higher, whiner. But they bark. Yeah. Like, what is the latest Lamborghini? They have some crazy new one that they just released last year. It's insane. It's as wide as a fucking trailer.

Oh. It's huge. Ex. I don't know the name of it. I've never had a Lamborghini. Yeah, me either. I drove one once on a track. It was a little loose.

Which one's that? Temerino. Temerario. That looks amazing. Whoa, dude. Yeah. That's pretty... Ew.

That one. There we go. Huracan. That's another sick one. Oh, the hurricane, yeah. That's a little smaller and lighter, I think. Yeah. Yeah, dude.

It's also amazing. You give an 18-year-old kid that kind of power in a car and you're still alive. I know. I know. Oh, dude. Fuck. Yeah. Those kind of cars will definitely check you, keep you in check, too, because it's not until, you know, over 100 miles an hour, getting closer to 200 miles an hour.

to where you're in that car and you're like, it hits you, you go, if I make one fucking tiny little error here, it's over. It's over. It's over. Yeah. The motor's in the fucking back.

Yeah. And if this thing runs into off the road or whatever, it's just going to accordion. Right into me. And you're done. It's kind of amazing. You just buy one. You know, like I thought about that.

now, like they have the new Corvette ZR1. It has a thousand horsepower from the factory. So you could just go into a Corvette dealership. If you got the cash, slap down some money and you have a thousand horsepower car that goes zero to 60 in two seconds. And you just go out there and like,

bye. Good luck. Be safe. Yeah, like what are you doing? How are you allowed to have that? You should have to have a pilot's license to drive one of those things. Totally. Or just, you know, race track only, whatever. Right, but imagine you're an 18-year-old rock star.

Here you go. I'll say, dude. You've got one. And back then, the Corvette's like yours, especially when you put a blower on it, those fucking things had no traction control. They had no anti-lock brakes. There's no nannies. There was nothing to protect you.

No. It was just madness. This is pure madness. Did you ever take it to a track or anything? No, never did. Have you ever driven around a track? You've done that? Yes.

That's fun. Yeah, that is fun. Yeah. That is fun. I went to, I spent some time at the Skip Barber school. Oh, really? Yeah. Of course, the Libra in me has to fucking learn about everything.

The apex and study. Right. Like, there's a lot of physical and, you know, technical things about driving. Oh, yeah. If you don't understand about going into a turn at fucking 100 miles an hour, you're going to fucking die. You know, so I was like, I have. We're definitely going to spin out. Yeah, learning how to do it was really interesting to me.

It was really interesting to realize, like, the lines that you take. You don't just go in the middle of the track all the way. No, you're hugging the outside edge, then the inside edge, and cutting the lines to make a quicker time and knowing when to break and knowing when you would accelerate. And it's so interesting. It's a lot, man. Very technical. Yeah.

A lot more technical than anybody would ever think. You think you're just kind of steering the car like, no, no, no, no. There's a lot of decisions to be made. There's a lot going on. Especially on a really windy turn. Like, that's what Coda looks like. That's the track, the Circuit of the Americas. And that one is like, there's so much turns.

And there's a long straightaway you could really fucking get after it. Right? Yeah. And it's not even about the acceleration. A lot of times it's about the braking. Yeah. I mean, fuck. Breaking and turning.

Dude. But it's like, that's one of the things that I say, like, is really worth it about having money. It's like experiencing a great car. Because it's like an amusement park ride. Yes. Even when you're not even going fast. Just driving normal speeds around. It's like if you're shifting your own gears and you hear that engine, it's like an amusement park ride.

You know, it's not, it's not just, you're not just driving a car. You're absolutely right. You're experiencing something that, you know, the other people aren't. If you're driving that stupid Ferrari piece of shit electric car, you're not experiencing that. No. You know? No, no. You're just grooving on the emblem.

Yeah, they got you That could have been a Hyundai easily Dude, I couldn't believe it I was like, they did not do this Well, I hope they rebound Yeah, I hope they like smack somebody who made that And go, hey, bro They will

I think one of the designers Was one of the guys Who was involved in designing the iPhone And it fucking looks like it No That's what's got, that's why it's got all the Yeah, the only eye was Yes

No That guy's awesome How did he do that? That started to make sense. I was like, okay. I would ask him, before I even talked to him about him, like, what kind of cars do you have? Do you have a car? What do you drive?

And if he's like, I drive an escort. Like, fuck you. Okay. Get the fuck out of it. Yeah. I have a Prius. Go eat shit. Eat all the shit that's ever been shit.

Fuck you. Out of the design room. You can't design a fucking Ferrari just because you made an iPhone. You're going to make it look sleek and plain. Yeah. No, it's got to look like art. You motherfucker. So I was paying a quarter million dollars for this thing.

And now, a lot more. I think the electric cars, I want to say three, three hundred and thirty. I bet they're going to sell two. Right. Two retards. Two fucking super rich retards are going to buy that fucking thing. Nobody going to spend $400,000 on this electric thing. Meanwhile, the other cars they make are fucking.

Yeah, I know. What the fuck? You guys doing it? What is the latest? What is their main one now? The sleek, we can want, like the advanced version of the 458, like the one they have now. Like, what is it called? SF.

The fuck is it called? SF90? Yeah, that's what it is. SF90. That thing's insane. That's gorgeous. Yeah, dude. That's a gorgeous car.

My favorite. How do they go from an SF90? They're selling that at the same time as they're selling the Sunk of junk. SF90 is one of the best looking cars ever. Yeah. It's incredible. Pull up a picture of one of those, Jamie. I'm on their website.

And if you, dude, have you seen the body style? I love the La Ferrari. The body style and the La Farrari. Yeah, that's it. That's the one. Oh, dude. That's got some La Farrari in the ass end. Oh, so this is like all the cars they've ever made, Jamie.

I'm on their website. Yeah. Oh. No, I understand. This is all the cars that they make and all the cars that's gorgeous, man. That is gorgeous. Hit the La Ferrari? Yeah

Dude Look at that thing What is the F80 Click on the F80 Oh my God Gorgeous Gorgeous When it says all models

They don't have the What is it What I was looking for I was trying to find I went to the website To find the newest car I know But I think like some of them

It's not the newest car Like it might have been like Last year a year ago Well, they would bring it somewhere on here, I would imagine. No, it's real, Jamie. I'm not going to Google for, okay. I'm just saying just Google, pull up an image of Ferrari, 2024 Ferrari SF 90.

Let me'll see it. There it is. That's it. Oh, the wing? That's one that's like prime for racing. But you go to images, please. There we go. That's it.

Oh So how does a company make that? Like look how gorgeous that is That's incredible That's so beautiful I know How does the company make that And then that Johnny Ivy piece of shit

Fucking thing There's like three Dudes One dude Like I guess Designed the iPhone And there's a cup There's two other designers

Involved They probably work for Lamborghini They're probably spies They probably You know They're infiltrated And decided to like Ruin it from the inside

Probably the same guy That made Billy Squire music video. Dude, that guy has got to be stopped. Fuck that guy. He's like, listen to what I did for Billy Squire.

I can do this to Ferrari. Yeah. I can thank them. I took Ferrari down. Yeah, with one whack-ass. Fucking electric car. Yes, I sold them a phone design. Yeah.

But, you know, that's what happens. Yeah. You let people, you know, you don't have enough people that are smart that are, artistic around that are going to look at that and go, hey, hey, hey, hey. No. Yeah, no, yeah.

What's with all the yes men? There had to be somebody that went, what are we doing? I don't know how the fuck that ever got greenlit by someone at Ferrari. How do you not look at all the other cars that you've made and then look at that one and goes, A perfect. A perfection. No, no, no, no, no, no. Nobody was doing that.

I don't get it. No. But, you know, companies make blunders. Yeah. You know, every now and now, a band puts out a shitty record. You know what? It happens. It happens. It happens. I get it in. I mean, Ferrari's still Ferrari. They'll bounce back. But, you know, guys. They can always go, hey, we're not in the electric car business. Okay, we fucked up.

Well, that's what they probably should. Because most of the other car companies that do make electric cars, people really don't want them. You know, like the Porsches, the Ticans, like those Audis, like the Audi ones that are just like a couple of years old, you can get them for like half price. Yeah. Nobody wants them. I know. Nobody wants electric cars, especially use electric cars. electric cars. Yeah, that's weird. It is, but if you think about it, like electronics, we think of as disposable, right? You don't want to buy someone's phone from 10 years ago, right?

No, no. Right? So you don't want to buy a Tesla from 10 years ago either. No. Right? Beemaw, they're great. There's nothing wrong with them. Yeah.

You know, a 10-year-old Tesla, it's a fucking awesome car. Yeah. But you don't want it. Yeah. People think of electronics as something you throw out and get new. Yes. Engines, that's a different story. Yeah.

You know, like a 2005 Porsche is still very. Very valuable. People love those things. Oh, yeah. Those things have gone through the roof lately. Like with the Porsches? Yeah. I just know so many guys that are just like buying them up, collecting them. Well, I think also as things become more electric and more numb, people like they really love the sound of engines and the feel that you get from those cars,

the actual experience of it. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's like as things get more and more digital, I think with AI and music, and everything. People are going to want to see live performances more, you know?

And no doubt, yeah. I think they want that experience, the experience of like raw, live, something that makes you feel alive. Something... It's all about the experience, man. All about it. You guys are touring again.

Yeah, coming up. Mid-July, we're out. How fucking pumped you for that? A couple months. So pumped, because I've actually we've been home. We just, we did this big stadium tour with Def Leppard

went all around the world. That tour was fuck, two and a half years long. Wow. Like, dude, that's insane. So, and I started to realize, I'm like, fuck, I can't remember the last time I've been home. Like, with a break. Like, we intentionally we're like let's just fucking take a year or more than a year off and it wasn't until

2016 was the last time we had like taken a taking a break so for me it's just been fucking wonderful I actually enjoyed the whole last summer at home and You know, going into summer now, we're getting ready to go back out. But just having that time at home was really fucking cool. So I'm super poised. The grass is always greener, dude. Right, right, right. You know, when you're out there fucking ripping it, you're like, this is fucking red.

And then after a while, you're like, I'd shoot my own mom in the back to sleep in my fucking bed. You know? Yeah. You know, and then when you're at home too long, you're like, dude, I got to get out of here. Right. You know, I got to go fucking go do the shit. But so it's, I don't know, that's a weird balance. You know, you're happy until it's too much and then, you know.

Well, it's just achieving the balance, but it's awesome that you still love it so much after all these years. Oh, man. It really is. Dude, let me just tell you. There's nothing better than, imagine, right, let's trade places for a second. You're back there, you're playing drums, and you've been doing this for a while. long enough to see this is the fucking best in the world. You see your fans, all of a sudden your fans have had children.

Now their children are on the shoulders of their fucking parents, who were your fans. Now they're bringing their kids to the show, and their fucking kids are on their dad's shoulder going, shout, shout with the fucking devil horns up. And you're like, you're sitting there going like, dude, that kid, what is he fucking 10? And he's just fucking, you know, and just to, air drumming. Yeah, just to see that you've sort of, you know, you've, I don't know, just, you've done a full circle to where now it's the whole other generation that's just now seeing this for the first time. And they're fucking.

And you're sitting back there playing going like, That's pretty fucking incredible. It's pretty fucking incredible. That doesn't get old, man. To watch that happen is probably why the become the reason why I love it so much. That really, like, puts a fucking nail in it. You know what I mean? Fuck, yeah.

That's like, and that can only be achieved through time. Yeah. Right? So that's nothing I've ever experienced until recently. In the last few years, you look out and you see a whole. bunch of kids, man. And they're all just checking it out for the first time, maybe. Wow.

For sure, some of them. Right? And you're like, dude, fuck, this is wild. Wild. That's awesome, man. Yeah, that's beautiful. Brother, you've had an amazing life. It's been an amazing ride.

And I'm so happy that you're enjoying it so much. Thanks, buddy. And thank you for being here, man. It was really cool. I really enjoyed it. Thank you for having me, man. My pleasure. It was my pleasure.

I've been wanting to come by and see you and come hang out. talk shit. I'm glad we did it. I'm glad we did it. All right. Thank you. I love you, everybody. I love you, too, brother.

Bye.