The Joe Rogan Experience - #2561 - LL Cool J

Episode Date: October 6, 2026

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I was wearing these pumas. He said I'm going to incinerate them? You'll throw them in the incinerate them. Okay. I don't know if that's true. But I like these. You have no reason to believe me yet. I'll give you that.

You have no reason to believe me. But when you, When you when you try, you're going to say, yo, your man was telling the truth. Okay. You see. You're going to come back on and say that. All right. I promise you.

I believe you. I'll give it a shot. I'll give it a shot. Well, anyway, very nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, too. I met you a long fucking time ago. Very briefly, yeah. We were at this stupid NBC thing.

It was very funny because you were making fun of it. It was some sick, you know, they do those things where they have all the new shows and everybody has to show up. Up front. It's like everyone sits. down, I was at a table with you. And I was a nobody. This was like 1994. I was like, oh shit, that's all. Cool, Jay.

I was just getting, it was just still weird for me to be around famous people. And I remember you were like, what the fuck is this? You're making fun of the whole thing. And I was like, God, I wish I could do that. Like, this guy's making fun of this shit. Like, you didn't give a fuck about it all. It was really funny. I mean, you could

never take it too serious. No. You can, you know what I mean? Like, we're not. But, you know, we're not going to take it too serious. You know, life is good. Especially those kind of things where they sit down, they announce all the shows, and you have to clap. You know, they have all these. You know, you know, I mean, I'm going to have manners,

but at the same time, I'm not going to take it too serious. No, but you were making fun of it and I was enjoying it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's funny. That's funny. So this is like, this is the 90s. This is a long, long time ago. Hell yeah.

Do you have had a fucking insane career? man. I mean, when did you get signed? Weren't you like 17 or some shit? Like, how old were you when you first got your first contract? So, um, 16. 16. We started Def Jam. Wow. Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons started Def Jam as a production company. Rick and Russell together formed Def Jam the label and I was the first act. The first song on Def Jam Productions was It's Yours by Tila Rock. And then from there, the label was formed because that was streetwise. party time and then from there the label was formed and you know the rest is history that's incredible ad rock from the Beastie boys actually programmed to beat Rick Rubin produced it and I did the mic and here we are most people who get that successful at 16

have a very difficult time keeping their shit together but you just managed to keep smiling and floating through this thing you know what you know what you know you know you know you know you You know, man, you get enough bites at the apple. Yep, you know what I mean? 16. Yeah, yeah, that was probably about 17, 18 right there. Wow. I always could tell by my jewelry.

You know what I'm saying? You know? Wow. That's back in the boombox days. Yeah, it was the boombox, man. That was everything. That meant everything to me. Oh, everybody had those back then.

Absolutely. People would carry them around, walking down the street with their own music. Absolutely. We're in a different world now. People don't understand what it was like back then. Yeah, because, Actually, in a weird way, even though the world is more public, music has become more private. Right, right, right, right.

The world was private, but music was public back then. Right, right, yeah. It's like an inverted, you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, you, I mean, there's no exaggeration to say you're a pioneer because hip hop was so new back then. Yeah, yeah. It was so new. You had like Sugar Hill, which was in like, Shoehl, which was in like,

Like, Sugar Hill, Rapids Delight was 79, but I got in the hip hop before that because I was listening to like, Grandma's Flash and the Furious 4 before they were the 5 and the Tretcher's 3 and Mo and the Co-crush and... What year was that? That's 75, 76, 77. Wow. You know, around that time, you know what I mean? And I was hearing the tapes because they were circulating because I was in Queens. You know what I mean? So the tapes were coming out of the Bronx.

And when I was in Long Island, see, I was. I was raised, I was born in Long Island, I was raised in Queens, but I also lived in North Babylon. And when I was in North Babylon next door, there was a lot of foster kids who were from uptown, who were from the Bronx and from Brooklyn, well, Bronx and Harlem and Brooklyn. So I would hear all the tapes when hip hop was emerging. So I was like, you know, eight years old, and I was getting exposed to like all of the, you know, the newest of the new at a really young age. So I got like indoctrinated and dipped in the, baptized in the fire, hip hop early.

You know what I mean? What a fortuitous time to be a kid, too. Like it's the perfect time because it's all emerging around you. Yeah, it's like when Gladwell talks about, you know, that moment, the tipping point where people being born in certain places. You know, when he talks about, you know, being in Seattle when computers were, when software exploded. So I was in New York at that same time. It's very much in that same thing. You know, you get sprinkled with a little dust.

You know, the man upstairs, you know, get a little sprinkle, be in the right place, got the capability. Yeah. You know? And the drive and the discipline. Yeah. Stick to it. Yeah.

I mean, obviously, you have that. You're still in great shape. You got to be. You know, yeah. You still keep it together. I do. I do. I've been, you know, I recently started doing jujitsu, which has been a lot of fun.

Yeah, yeah. Where are you training? Brian Glick. Where's he at? He's in Brooklyn. Oh, okay. And he trained under Donaheer. Oh, great.

Oh, phenomenal. Yeah. And so I've been. That's a great lineage. Yeah. Henson Gracie, Donaheher. Yeah. Yeah.

So he's a lot of fun. Actually, my man Scott, Scott Khan, you know, put me on to him. Oh, okay. Yeah, we've been working. So it's very humbling. You know, you think you're, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's Glick.

That's Glick. That's my teacher. Nice. And so that's a lot of fun. How long you've been doing that now? Not long at all. And you find out that you think you're a tough guy, but you're really a little old lady. You find out really quickly.

It's so humbly. Oh, oh, oh. Oh, you're tough. Oh, you're tough. You find out real quick. So I've, you know, because, you know, when I was young, I enjoyed martial arts, like a little Sado, karate, a little wing chung, a little, each one. Like, I like the martial arts.

So, but this one, this is a completely different thing because, you know. Yeah. It's just, you know. You feel helpless. There's no question about it. You are. Yeah, you're helpless. And you don't think you are until you do it.

And then your whole world shatters. You're like, oh, no. Yeah, a guy, I put you on a closed guard and say, get out. Come on, get out. You're good. And you do everything but stand up, you know, when you first thought, it's crazy. Yeah, so it was fun. It's a deep pool, too.

There's a lot to learn. It keeps going forever and ever and ever. Yeah. Yeah. But that's life. Yeah. That's what I like about life. Yeah.

You know, because, you know, we want to maximize our potential, right? Well, I think it's really good for famous people to do something that doesn't depend at all on your personality or your status or your stature. I think it's good for your head because it's an undeniable thing. Like, you are either good at this or you are not good at this. There's no charm. There's no charisma. You know what I'm saying? I'm really charismatic.

Let me go. Nobody shows up. They love you the moment they see you. There's none of that. You can't charisma your way out of an Americana or Camorra. Because that's the opiate for celebrities. Like this thing with everybody loves you and needing that. Well, see, here's the thing.

Here's the thing. I'm a celebrity by consequence, like as a result of what I did. I'm not a guy who's celebrity-minded. I'm an artist, Joe. You know what I'm saying? I, you know, I'm famous by the first. because of the things that I do have made me known, but I don't walk in rooms feeling famous.

That's a great perspective. I'm an artist. That's a great perspective. I'm not in it for the fame thing. I'm like, I'm way more blue collar. I'm not like remotely interested in hitting you with the famous, with the long cigarette holder and the askot and shit. Like I'm like so not into that.

Like I'm like way different, like I'm not even remotely near that. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? With the assorting. I can see Cat Williams with a cigarette holder. It would work for Kat. He can pull it off. He can pull anything off.

And he's going to say some genius shit about it on top of that. So, yeah, he can pull it off. But me walking in with the cigarette holder. What if you walked in here today and I had a cigarette holder? And when you say, hey, hey, L.L. I went like this. You know, I just hit you with the... What is the purpose of the cigarette holder?

But other than keeping the cigarette further from your face? I don't want my hands dirty. I don't know my hands You don't want that smell? I don't know what the purpose is. It's just all wrong. I don't know what the purpose is. It's just all wrong.

The only person who pulled it off was Hunter S. Thompson. He had it and just somehow another seemed ridiculous. Can we put a picture up of him because I'm not familiar? Hunter S. Thompson, the writer. He's the one that they did

that Johnny Depp movie, Fear and Loatting in Las Vegas. Okay, okay. It's based on one of his books. Okay. That's Hunter Thompson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He used to have a cigarette holder.

Yeah, but he's doing it a little bit more aggressively. I'm talking about that other one. Yeah. I'm talking about that other kind of. The long one, the long one, yeah. Black one with the silver ring. Yeah, yeah, you know, you know. You know.

Yeah, I think he did it more. Your man, Hunter's cool. Oh, he was cool as fuck. Yeah, he's cool. A complete total maniac. You know what I mean? Out of his mind on drugs, but wrote some of the most genius shit ever. I mean, you know, make it through, man.

If you go through hell, keep going, baby. Yeah. Sometimes. Some people need something to get out of their own head, you know? And that's... Yeah, it's called humility. Yeah. Yeah, that helps too.

That perspective that you have is a great perspective because that's the way to get through it. And young people should hear that too, is that like just be an artist and be famous as a consequence of what you've done. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly as opposed to because if you're arrogant, you can't learn anything. And the most fulfilling thing of this whole thing is learning some stuff. Yeah. Like that's what's fun.

Right, right. What's not fun is just thinking about yourself all day. That's kind of boring, at least to me. Well, it's kind of crazy. It is. It really is. And the best way to not think about yourself all day is try to learn something difficult.

100%. Yeah, like when you're doing jiu-jitsu, the last thing you're thinking about is yourself. You're not thinking about anything. Yeah, you're just surviving. You're just thinking about surviving and hoping that he doesn't give you the...

You know what I mean? That's the worst thing cover your mouth. It's so humiliating. You know? Yeah. That's cool that you're doing it, though. It's very exciting. Yeah, so, you know, man, I like that, and I like reading, you know.

Love the books, man. What kind of shit? You read? Read everything. Yeah? Yeah, I read everything from Karl von Klausowitz to... Who's that? He's an Austrian general, Prussian general, actually, Prussian general, who, you know,

talked about this concept called Friction, and he has this Klauswitzian triangle where he talks about like, you know, you have these three areas that the pendulum swings over, like probability and chance, logic and reason, and luck, you know, no, probability and chance, logic and reason, and passion and enmity, hatred. So you can look at society right now, and you can take a Klaus Witsynne and Trinity and put it over society, and you know that we're operating in a place of emotions and passions. So logic and reasons wouldn't even make any, you know, wouldn't even mean anything. So it's the Trinity, you know. So it really helps you think about life, you know. Interesting. So the grand strategy is at the center of it all. Government, politics,

reason, intelligent, the armed forces, calculation, chance, game of chance, odds, values. Fascinating. Yeah. How did you get into this guy? I just read all kinds of stuff. I love literature, love history, love reading things that make me better. You know what I'm saying? And what you find out the more you read, the less you know. The more you know, the more you find out, the more you realize you don't know shit. Right. And because of that, it becomes more exciting.

So, and I wanted to navigate entertainment. It's like what you talked about, right? You know, you're 16, 17, 18 years old. Now, either you can get high all day, spend all your money and twist yourself out and go on a binge, or you can figure out something else. You know what I'm saying? And so I just looked.

How did you know that at 16? My mother would show me like books of like drug addicts with like sores on their arms and say, hey, Todd, this is, you know, this is what happens when you, you know, get out in that world. If you can ruin your career and ruin your life, this is what happens, you know. And, you know, that combined with her telling me, Todd, you know, girls don't like dummies, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? You know, not like you're trying to be like, you know, Mr. scientists, like some pedantic super nerd at the same time, though, you want to stay inquisitive, stay curious, you know what I mean?

Well, women want a man who can navigate life. There's no question about that. Yeah, and intelligence is one of the best ways, one of the best tools to navigate life. Intelligence, health, and that inner emotional strength, you need intestinal fortitude to go with the intelligence, right? because if you have intelligence but no willpower, you still get banged out. Right.

You just be a smart punk. There's a lot of smart bitches out there in this world. You know what I mean? That gives up early, but you're smart. Yeah. I know why I'm giving up, you know, that kind of is. I know why I'm giving up, but I'm going to go to therapy and never get better. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the key elements of society today that's not embraced is like discipline and drive and understanding that, you know, You have to have the ability to persevere through difficult times. And that giving up, there's no, there's no virtue in being emotional and giving up. That's the opposite. It's bad for you.

Everybody feels bad sometimes in your life. But giving up like that and celebrating that and embracing it, you know, like, oh, he's in, he's in touch with his emotions. Is that what that is? No, no, he's in touch with some shit that's going to get him, get him ran over. No, you got, you know what I mean? Like, yo, you got to see. See, empathy is not the same as what you're just, right? Because empathy, we need empathy.

Yes. But empathy is not the same as weakness. Exactly. And, you know, one spark can set a prairie on fire. So we got to be, you know, we got to manage our moods and we got to be able to do what we need to do even when we don't feel like doing it, right? Because that's the language of success.

Yeah. Right? That's a really important quote. One spark can set a prairie on fire because how many people they spiral out from one bad thought they start pursuing. There you go. Yeah. You got to get out of your own way.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like that's super important, man. That's super important, you know what I mean? It is. You know? Yeah. Real talk.

Yeah, I know. No one teaches you that shit in school. Like, you have to have wise people around you to show you that way or you have to slowly figure it out on your own. Yeah, you got to, you got to go through some drama and you got to be able to be able to. to see the silver lining and you gotta have you gotta be able to finish the marathon and that requires your ability to you know get comfortable being uncomfortable I know it's kind of a

cliche but it's true you got to be comfortable being uncomfortable like you got to be able to keep going and understand that there's another side like I heard this guy I don't know who he was so I'm not trying to take credit for this but this guy said um like if you're on a plan and, you know, when engines on fire, if you're flying a plane, you keep flying. And he said, if, what else, what are you going to do? I mean, yeah, you look to land, but you got to keep going. You don't crash the plane. If two engines are on fire, what do you do?

You keep flying until you can save a line. So in life, you don't give up just because one of your engines is not acting the way you want it to. Right. You have to treat your life like you, you know, attitude determines your altitude, right? So you got to. Well, everybody wants to be constantly. That's the thing.

Because we're so often uncomfortable, that everyone seeks to be comfortable. And then once they're comfortable, they want to hold on to it and only be comfortable. Right, and then they stop making progress. Exactly. They stop evolving. Exactly.

And they become defensive. You know what I mean? They just crawl up and they become a hedgehog. They're just going to a ball and don't try to do nothing in life. They also get very upset and ambitious people. Well, some can. Some people can.

Well, because it's a reminder, right? Like, I can understand how painful it might be might be for somebody who is afraid to go for that next level, afraid to do that next thing, to see somebody else wholeheartedly committing. But what you have to understand is that, like, you'll have somebody say to you, I don't want to, I don't want to go back to school. You'd be like, why? I'm saying if they want to do, oh, because it'll take three years.

Well, three years from now is going to be three years from now any goddamn way. So just go back to school. So going back to what you were saying, it's like, Like the idea of making it, you just got to be comfortable with the idea that people are going to say what they're going to say anyway. And you need to go after your dreams. Dreams don't have deadlines. That's the headline. Dreams don't have deadlines.

You just got to go after it. And, you know, you lose the battle, you can still win the war, right? With yourself. Yeah. Right? Yeah. With yourself. Yeah.

Because we're not looking for perfection. None of us are perfect. We all did some crazy shit. We're all crazy. Everybody's crazy. But at the same time, you could take it to the next level if you keep going. Yes. The football season is heating up and every week feels bigger with Draft Kings.

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Yeah. You know what I mean? Great advice. Yeah, it's real. And it's real from someone who's actually done it. You know, that's what's really important. People can hear that all day from a motivation. speaker, but then you could say to that motivational speaker, what exactly have you done other than motivate people? A lot of them, the list is very small.

But you know what's interesting about that? I hear people say that, but you know what my thinking is, like if a homeless guy tells me don't do push-ups in traffic, I'm going to listen. You know, I think. Oh, yeah. You get bad advice from people that are great. That are great. And then you get really good advice from idiots. Every now and then a moron will tell you something. You're like, oh, shit. So I'm less inclined to consider. I'm concerned myself with who the messenger is. I know it's relevant, but I listen to the message because you have to contextualize the message in your life. Right. That's some Bruce Lee shit.

That's like absorb what is useful. Yeah. You know what I mean? The way of the intercepted face. Bruce was the man. Oh, he was the man. Bruce is why I got into acting. Really?

How did that happen? Because, I mean, he was the only dude with a tan that was like doing some cool shit on TV or in the movies. You know? He was a little brownie, you know. All my Asian friends were so happy. All my Asian friends were like, finally we have a fucking superhero. You know, Bruce was the man. He was a man.

He was a man. He changed martial arts for the world. He used to be on Jamaica Avenue with the yellow and black game of death suit. Did you have with us? The Chinese slippers. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely walking down the ass with that shit.

Proud. That game of death suit was the shit. Right? That yellow with the black slice with the joy? Yeah. That yellow game of death suit? I don't think people. understand how revolutionary he was all martial arts were all they were all

siloed like if you did kung fu and your instructor caught you doing Shodokon somewhere right they'd be upset with yeah yeah there was it was very siloed and Bruce Lee came along and said no who was the first mixed martial artists you know what I mean because I mean he's doing he's doing American boxing Chinese boxing kung fu Salat yeah he did everything a lot is crazy too yeah Yeah. You did judo. He did everything. Yeah.

Yeah. And he put it all together, and that was heresy. Yeah. Yeah. People wanted to kill him for that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. That rumor still persists, right? Yeah. Well, I think that rumor has to do with the triad, with the Chinese mob, because they were financing his early movies. The Raymond Child movies that he was doing? And then he left. And when he left them, there was a gigantic dispute.

So when he went to Hollywood, there was a gigantic dispute. So I think that's what the real conspiracy theories. I don't know if they're true. You think he probably just had an aneurysm or whatever that was. It seems like something happened where he had an allergic reaction. Wasn't an allergic reaction to medication or something like that? Yeah, because they gave him some pills and he went to sleep. He was at someone's apartment, right?

Well, I think it's also he probably had some head injuries. You got to realize, like, he's doing a lot of sparring. He's, you know, he's doing sparring with boxers. He's experimenting with stuff. He's doing crazy scenes and movies. He accidentally get hit. Who knows if he had a brain injury? Okay. Cerebral edema.

Exactly. Dangerous swelling of the brain attributed by the coroner to a hypersensitivity reaction to ingredients in the prescription pain killer equiacic. Equi-jcich. Equijsic, which he took for a headache. A plane of a headache, given equidgesic, medication containing aspirin and mepromate. Meprobamate? Meprobamate. Where's that at?

Aspirin and metprobamate. He lay down the rest became unresponsive, cannot be revived after taking to the hospital. Autopsy found severe brain swelling and no external injuries. The brain swelling itself is well established in the historical record, but the precise trigger remains disputed. The official conclusion focused on drug hypersensitivity reaction. Later, writers and researchers have proposed other possibilities, including including heat-related illness and hypo, well, they're testing us today with the word.

Retrospective hypothesis? Hypo natremia. Hypoenetremia. Dangerously low blood sodium associated with excess water intake. Huh. All right. Retrospective.

Something happened. I'm sorry. It's the plural of hypothesis. Restrospective hypotheses. No replacement. Original official ruling. He was unbelievable, man. Well, he was, the Tao of J. Kudu is the original book.

of mixed martial arts. No question. I bought that book when it came out back then. I got a copy still. I love that book, right? It was soft. It was like a soft cover.

You remember that? Yep. Soft cover. Big thick, thick, thick, illustrations inside of it. Yeah, man. And he took things from everything. He took things from like Western boxing

and fainting and jabs. And he got from karate, different Japanese styles. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Ali's footwork. He was, you know, he did some of that in the movies. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. Bruce was a monster. But people today, they see that, you know, they see mixed martial arts. You see all these fighters on television. They see movies. It seems normal to them. They don't understand that back then this was unprecedented. No one had ever done that before.

Super. Yeah. And to be that skillful and do it so he can move so fast that everybody's like, what the fuck? Lightning quick. Yeah. Lightning quick. Just changed it for the whole world. Like karate schools just opened up all over the world.

Crazy. Instantaneously. What was crazy at that time, it was blurred because, like, people didn't know the between karate and kung fu. It was very blurred. It was very blurred. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You just got lucky wherever school you walked into. That's right. You know, you opened the yellow pages under martial arts. That's right. I was up at the YMCA and Sado karate. I'm like, Sato.

Okay, I'm doing Saito. Oh, yeah. Walking to the dojo, Ust. You know what I mean? A lot of those YMCA classes. Yeah. They were good, though. Two knuckles, baby.

Yeah. First two knuckles. Yeah. Yeah. It's a crazy time because, like it just got introduced into the world and it took off. I'm fascinated by things that didn't exist and then all of a sudden burst onto the same. Innovation.

Yeah. Well, that's why hip hop to me is so fascinating, especially early hip hop because hip hop as an art form before the 1980s was non-existent in pop culture. And then all of a sudden it was the dominant force five or six years later. That's right. Like people have to understand what it was like. Like when I was a kid and I was when I was coming up, the first time I heard Sugar Hill gang was I was in a lunchroom.

I was in Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts. And at the time it was a bad neighborhood. Now it's been kind of gentrified. At the time, it was like, there was kids that was 17 years old and they were still in the eighth grade. It was crazy. That's yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's that. 17 years old

in the eighth grade is some nasty work. Yeah, it was like that. Like, no bullshit. There was kids that should have been graduated from high school and they hadn't even got it out of middle school. Yeah. It was just a lot of like near-de-wells and people that just came from bad homes and bad neighborhoods, but it was the first time I had ever heard that. I remember thinking, this is like a different kind of music. Yeah, because, because, you know, you live in a neighborhood and you

feel invisible. Yes. You know, and I think a lot of people can relate to that now. You live in a neighborhood, you feel invisible. Your friends get killed. Nobody cares. The news doesn't talk about, you know, they may talk about some major thing, but when your friend down a block gets killed, nobody cares. Right. You walk down, you got this ditty bop that you're walking with like this, and people think you're walking to be cool, but you're really walking because you're It's like being in the jungle, and you're like a lion, and you're like walking around trying to stay low, and you're watching your environment and your back, right?

I used to have a thing in high school. You do one, two, three behind you, one, two, three behind you, the whole time down the hallway. Wow. You know what I mean? So hip hop was the first time that I heard young kids like me sound empowered. And, you know, instead of, you know, because all you saw at that time, if you saw a black kid on the news,

all you saw was a guy in handcuffs being put into a police car. That was basically it. That and Bruce Lee. Yeah. So it was like, hip hop is the first time I heard people sound powerful, sound empowered. You know, it wasn't like the great Poupon, fancy, I have a lot of money thing that it is today. When we talked about the money and that was aspirational, that's what we wanted. Like, you're coming from nothing, right?

You're coming from the grime and the dirt and you're, like, rapping about what it could be. So you are, you're extra macho and your extra. extra bravado because you're an underdog. You know, it became that to like, you know, now it's like, you know, you're on Mount Olympus spitting on, you know, the peasants.

You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? Right, back then it was aspirational. It was the opposite. It was the opposite. One of my favorite hip-hop videos of all times is Biggie when he was 17 on the street corner. Oh, when he's rhyming.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's about a nobody and he's the shit at the same time. He's the shit the same man. Everybody around him's going, oh! Yeah. He's hitting these lines, and his flow was already spectacular. That's right.

Because you're basically, you're saying with every, you're like, it's like a different version of Cyrano. But you're doing it for people. It's not about romance necessarily. It's not for this particular girl. You're doing it. You're speaking. You become a spokesman for the emotions, the angst, the pain,

the desires, the wishes of the people. that are like you. And I'm not talking about just ethnicity. I'm talking about culturally, people that are like you that come from the energy and the type of places that you come from. So you speak for them. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So when I were walking, like when I got the big gold chains on, the big gold chains aren't to say the, the big gold chains are to show people I have something at that time. And then, yo, not only do I have something, but I'm tough enough to be able to wear this. See, jury back then was a message. You know, any neighborhood.

It was, I can wear this in this neighborhood. Right. That's very different from it becoming, like, you know, cigarette holders, and I got the jury on, and it's like a goddamn, like, everybody's liberati. No disrespect. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Right. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. I want to diss my men. Not necessary. Yeah.

No, it's, you know? That's what's interesting is, like, that's the first. music genre where like open displays of wealth became like standard. Right, but here's the thing, here's the thing, remember, it wasn't an open display of wealth because it wasn't at the wealth level. It wasn't, that wasn't even the mindset. It was, I, it was, it could be as simple as I have 50 grand in my dresser draw, I got a gold chain, I got a nice car, and I'm doing better.

But I couldn't eat six months ago. Right. and look what I did. That's very different from, you know, look at my portfolio. Right, right, right. And my open, ostentatious display of this incredible, you understand what I'm saying?

On the dock of my yacht. Yeah, the mindset is different. Right? Because remember, we were taking cues from hustlers, too. Like, we got to be honest about that. Like, we were looking at the different hustlers. We were looking at the Supreme Team, and we were looking at, you know, AZ and Rich and the outport,

the guys uptown. We were looking at different people, and all of that was affecting us, too. So it wasn't so much about like, nah, nah, nah, nah to society. It was more like, I did this in spite of. Right. Like, you got to think about it. Like, if you're, it's like monopoly, right?

Like somebody I was talking to the other day, like, we play monopoly. And I start off and I got all the paper. And you got hardly nothing. And I get 60% percent of the property. And then I say, okay, now let's play. If you can go around that board and come up, you're going to fucking feel. feel good about yourself. You might throw a chain on or something.

You might smile a little bit during that game after a while. And so you've got to think about it from that mindset. Now people have lapped the game so many times that it's not perceived the same way. But at that time, it wasn't about showing off. The car was about, yo, I really did this. Like I have something because having something is a major accomplishment. When you got nothing, I don't care if you're in a trailer park. You're in the inner city.

You're in the hood. Wherever you at. When you are able to accomplish something, that's a hell of a feeling. Yes. Right? That's, and so it wasn't about like, so the idea of financial fiscal responsibility and wealth, nobody's thinking about that shit. I want a Benz.

I want to Benz, bro. Yeah. I just want to, I want a Benz. I remember sitting with the accountant and I was like, yo, he's like, yeah, we're going to do it. I want a Benz. He's like, yeah, we're going to do it. We got to take care of this. I want a bends.

You know? And it's like, so, you know, like I never lost the, yeah, you do stuff with money and all that, but I never lost a mindset of, you know, where you really from. Like, people, yo, it's easy to forget. I mean, look, you're like one of the most red people I know

because I watch, you know, the stuff and everything. You could be in a bubble and forget it. If you didn't get in that gym and you didn't roll around on that mat and you didn't get reminders of human, you could forget. In the life, this world that we live in, it's easy to forget. So I kind of, you know, I just keep that in.

Yeah, I keep that in mind. You said what? It's comforting to forget. It's easy to fall into a band of yes men and be insulated, especially in Hollywood. 100%, but then you're not relatable, and then you can't learn and you can't handle it. Well, you also go crazy.

Oh, without a doubt. That's the problem. It might be Howard Hughes. No disrespect. You'd be how much. You'd be in the room until the 70s. Yeah, yeah. With all the paper and tissue around you.

Well, it's kind of Howard Stern now. He hides in the Hamptons now. That's rough. He didn't do his radio show, rather, from his studio for a long time. He did it all remotely. Yeah, you know. People start getting weird with germs. You start worried about getting sick.

Yeah, that's, yeah, that's strange. Start washing their hands all day long. Well, I mean, that's okay. All day long. I get a little hip of cleanses and wash my hands. Don't wash my head. But all that on, you know, I wash my hands, you know what I mean? But I think with, you know, no disrespect to Howard because I'm a giant fan of this.

And, you know, I think he's the pioneer of all this stuff. But I think you can only get it. Well, I mean, he's named after an African American university. So that's the cool. Now, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. That's part of his lores.

He grew up in an all-black neighborhood. It really is. But he got so famous. It got so famous. so big and so huge and so much money. And I think there's a real potential to be isolated when that happens. And then people get mad at you. Are you too?

Yeah, I like how I did a show quite a few times. You know, he was always cool to me. He really was. And he gave me love, like, in the early years when I first thought, I got to be honest. He embraced me. He gave me, you know, he kind of like let me come on a show and let me, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. That to me.

You know, I'm not saying that what you're saying is like, I'm not disrespectful. No, I don't think you are. I think he's a legend, and I think if it wasn't for him, but you can become isolated. You can become isolated. And it's also, it's very hard to even be hanging out with people when you're that famous. It just gets weird for some people, unless you force yourself to just do uncomfortable things all the time. You know what?

And in public. Well, success, success likes you to be outside, right? It's kind of hard to find success when you. you're not networking. You could do certain things, but I heard a guy say the other day, you know, you put a painting on your garage wall and whether even if the door's open, it's kind of hard to get people excited. You know what I mean? As opposed to putting it in the gallery. So you have to interact. But, you know, me, like, I'm an introvert, even though I do all this stuff. Are you really? Yeah, you would think I, but when I go

home, I got to read, I got to relax, I got to recharge. Like, I can't, you know what I mean? I can't, I don't like being surrounded by a thousand people, but I have a different reason for it, because I just learned that it brings problems. Because you can't manage everybody's behavior. Right. Right. And then when the problem happens, then it's L.L. Right.

One of LL's friends. Yeah. Right. A part of LL's crew. You see? Yeah. So you got to, so it's kind of. Yeah.

Today in the news. You don't what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Yeah. Especially when you're on a cop show. Well, you know what? No, that's funny. Yeah, that's really funny.

It's a real fucking problem. You know, I didn't even really think, yo, that's pretty funny, bro. You know? That's pretty funny. Bro, I think about it all the time with Ice Tea. Because I was a giant Ice Tea fan still am, but giant Ice Tea fan growing up.

And he had that song Cop Killer. Remember? He had that song with the body count. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. But the man that can cock himself is greater than a man who can conquer a city, right? Right, there you go.

But it's just funny. No, it is. It is. But you know what? You know, like Ice says, he hustling. Yeah, of course. I say, always.

You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, he was in pimps up, hose down. Remember that? Without a doubt. Get his hair. Without a doubt. Talking about the pink game.

Green is for the money. Gold is for the honey. This is crazy. I love people. I love people. Absolutely. Yes. And Mr. White folks.

Oh, Mr. White folks. Bananas. Bananas. You. Yo. It was hilarious. Yo. Well, yeah.

So, like, yeah. Ice tea's been hustles. This is the very beginning. He's another pioneer. Without a doubt. But what I want people to really understand is kids today they don't understand because hip hop is just a part of their life. It's a part of music.

It emerged. And it emerged so quickly from you go from Sugar Hill Gang, which was 80, what was it? That was 79. The rapist's delight was 79. And then you got like NWA. And it happens very quickly. 100%.

It happens very quickly. You got a public enemy. It happens very quickly. And all of a sudden you have fight the power. and you're like, whoa, what is this? 100%. You know what's funny about the public enemy? I'll tell you a quick little insight.

Their logo is actually my friend E-love. Chuck D from Public Enemy took a picture of my man standing next to me on stage and put him in silhouette. Really? Yeah, so when you look at the Public Enemy logo, that's actually my man E-love that created. Yeah, that's my man E-Love right there behind that. And you probably, if you actually, you could probably Google E-Love,

Public Enemy, L.L. Kudja, you know, and you'll find out that, like, you know, see, see, rest in peace, E. Love, aka the Public Enemy logo. And see, that's my man, he loves, see us down there? See, that's us? Yeah. So that's E. But he just happened to be standing. See the hat?

He just happened to be standing in a different pose. Wow. But that's what, yeah, he's the logo. May he rest in peace. That was my man. Wow. That was my man. He was a good dude.

That was my man. He passed away. But he was like when we did crush groove and all that, when we did the first hip hop, it was an early hip hop, it wasn't first, one of the early hip hop movies. He was standing next to me with the boxing, and my man, cut creative, you know what I'm saying?

Shout out to my man Philpott, cut creator. Wow. And then run DMC, of course? Run DMC, you know, those are my friends, you know what I'm saying, run angel, you know, JMJ, rest in peace. You know, they took me on tour. You know, they took me on tour around the world.

We went all over the place. You know what I'm saying? It was bananas. It's just bananas. For people to really get it in their mind, what a change that was in music. And this emergent power and style just took over pop culture

where kids were dressing like them. Like, everybody wanted to be like them. Look at Dick Clark. I did Dick Clark in 85. Oh, shit. Yeah, I did Dick. Look at Dick. It's so funny.

Oh, that's awesome. That's crazy, right? That's crazy. You know what I mean? That's crazy. That was, yo, that was like, it was like an unbelievable experience, you know what I'm saying? Like, I would go to London and, you know, be like looking for fast food. Like, yo, just please, like, I didn't understand Yorkshire putting.

I didn't understand none of that. How old were you? When I went to London, maybe 17. Wow. Yeah, we went right away. Wow. Right away. Oh, yeah.

Wow. What was the reception like over there? It was incredible. It was incredible at first now. At one point, I'll be honest with you, when I put the love song out, I got booed. Not booed, but like people were mad. Yeah, because guys were upset that I was willing to be that vulnerable. Oh, no.

I like the chicks, though, baby. I was like, I like, I like, girl. I'm like, yo, I need to, I got to do this. You know what I'm saying? But, no, they gave me a lot of love. And, you know, we used to tour all over the place. That's funny that song. That song, it was huge.

But then there was a little, you know, there was a little corner. Well, the problem is the other. stuff was so hard. Right. Your other stuff was so hard. But that's more real life, isn't it? Right. But isn't that more real?

Well, it's balance. Yeah. Yeah, it's balance. There's nothing wrong with having both. I mean, you know, you go home, you get what you got. I mean, you do got a couple of personalities, don't you? Like, I mean, we all do, right? You should.

So my art reflected the real. Like, I'm just keeping it 100. Right, right. Like, you guys want to keep it 50 and calling 100. They just didn't want to expose that part of themselves. Meanwhile, they probably liked that. when they're alone. In their room, staring at the wall.

No question. No question. No question. Wow. So was hip hop taking off over there as well with, like, artists where new artists were emerging in England? Yes, yes. It was, well, at that time, there wasn't as many, but they got into hip hop very early.

The whole world, like, there's a whole lineage of artists that are pioneers around the world that contributed to hip hop in. their own countries. I can't name them all. But like in France, you had MC Solar, but there was people before him. Like, you know, there's different, my man Spatz in Germany. There was people before him, obviously. I always get the name wrong, but it starts with

an N and a number. I just can't remember. But, yeah, I mean, hip-hop, like, I would go to Japan, you know, and they'd be singing the words to the song verbatim and then can't speak English, but they rap the song. Wow. Yeah. It's crazy. That's amazing.

It made me respect cultures all over the world, though. It gave me a different kind of mindset for people around the world. You know what I'm saying? How I view things. Because you can be real myopic. I mean, when I first started going out, I'd land, it'd be like, yo, take me to the black neighborhood. Let me just see what it looks like.

I'm like, what do you mean? We're in Japan. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, so just take me way it's hip-hop, is. And then you start getting excited. and you see kids that love graffiti and they love the arts and they love hip hop. And you come to find a newfound respect.

Like I did a record in Germany with my man, and he's Spats, I think I'm saying this name right. I mean, he's rapping in German, I'm rapping in English. People in America don't know about the song, but it was like a thing I did over there. You know, you just get into a whole world, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, I love Brazilian hip-hop,

because I can't speak Portuguese. I just like listening. listening to the sounds. You know, it's funny. I think to me, the language that sounds like most impressive to me, I mean, outside of English, I would say it's French. French.

French hip-hop sounds incredible. Yo, French hip-hop is dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. French hip-hop is dope. Yeah, it is. Yo, French hip-hop is dope. For real. You know what I'm saying?

I like Brazilian. I'm Portuguese, you know what I'm saying? But French is a, you know what I mean? Yeah. You know? I love the music of the whole world, You know what I'm saying? For different reasons.

You know what I mean? France is fascinating to me. Yeah. You know, it's a hyper point of mixed martial arts now. Yeah. A lot of elite fighters are coming out of France, including the heavyweight champion in the world, Cyril gone. He's from France.

Yeah, Cyril. Yeah, Syrac Dubei is his dude who fights in the PFL, who's like one of the best kickboxers alive. He's fucking people up in MMA now. Yeah. I know Cyril was... Seral is a monster. He's a freak.

He has changed my... thoughts on bases like for sports to entry. Well he's a moiety fighter but here's the point he played basketball. That's interesting. This is why I think basketball is a huge factor for big athletes in particular if you can play good at basketball the thing about being good at basketball is you have to be able to change direction constantly. Tennis? Yes your tennis would be a good one but it's not constant it's bop bop bum but bum a bum basketball you're constantly engaging. There's a ball and people. And it's all about jukeing and movement and it's all about misdirection. That's huge with striking. You can get a guy as big as Cyril Gond. So he's 248 pounds,

but moves like a cat. And I think a big part of that is he spent so much time. It's like pliometric. So you're doing constant pliometrics when you're doing basketball. Plus, hand-eye coordination because you have a ball. And you're moving the ball, wide back and forth, which is very similar to punching. Footwork. Yes. Footwork is hugely important. Footwork in conjunction with the movement of your hands. And distance management. And he can play, man.

Yeah. Yeah, I saw this clip before. Yeah, that boy, and he's really playing. Yes, he's really playing. I think there's something legitimate to that as a base because you're constantly, like, soccer is another one. Soccer is a tremendous base for MMA because those guys have great cardio and their legs. They can constantly move back and forth and, like, they don't get tired. That makes sense.

It's a huge force. That makes sense. If you can get that kind of movement, most people don't have that kind of movement, like an elite basketball player movement. And if you're a guy who's like plotting and like, you know, heavy-footed and you're like moving forward and there's a guy that's just like light on his toes and you can't hit him. He's nowhere to be found. That's a big factor.

Yeah, I agree. And if you combine that with, you know, mindset, animal mindset and intellect. Yeah. Now you're really playing at a different level. level, right? If you can get you can do one so they do two so you can grab the three. Uh-huh. You know what I mean? If you can really, you know, if you're really thinking that way, now you're at a whole other level because that makes the difference too. It's the, it's the mindset and the intellect. Like when you look at Floyd, like, you know, yes.

Yo, the intellect, the traps he's setting. Yes. You know, the process, the standing in front of you, to giving you something just to take it away and catch him. You know, like those little things that matters. And you can't hit him and he's right in front of you. Right. He's not moving around and he's not constant with footwork like Ali was in his prime. No, he's right in front of you shoulder rolling. Yeah, just giving you a little something. You can't do shit.

Just giving you just because you're telling on yourself. Yeah. He's looking at your hips. He's looking at your elbow. You don't know you're telling on yourself. Yeah. You know what I mean? Easily the most elusive guy who stood right in front of people.

Him, sweepie. Sweepie. But sweepie would move too. Yeah. He would stand right in front of you, but he would also move. But he would be moving backwards and getting out of it. He was incredible with that. There's also this Italian.

There's this Italian boxer. You got to look it up. He's like a, I think he's like Floyd before Floyd. Even before Floyd's pops. Look for the, NEO. Look for, like, no, no, actually he's Argentine. He's Italian, but he was in Argentina, but he's Italian. And he's one of the most incredible elusive fighters I've ever seen in my life.

What year was this? This is, I want his, 40s, 50, 60s. Like, look Italian. Yeah, you got them? Watch. Watch this. What's his name? Nicolino, yeah.

Nicolino Loche. Watch, watch Nicolino. Watch, watch. No, this ain't him. That's not him. Yeah, no, you got to, but, yeah, here he is. Yeah, now watch, watch, watch them, watch them, watch them. Oh, they're comparing them.

Like, get him, find him. Look at it, look at it, look at it, look at this. Look at this. Oh, I have seen this guy before. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this.

Look at this. Look at this shit. This is, this is crazy. You know, you can't like, like, I mean, he's unbelievable. And this is like a bad fight because I'm looking at his eye and it looked like he didn't, you know, but I mean, when you really watch him, unbelievable. When you get him on the ropes, you find him on the ropes. I mean, this guy is just unbelievable. Nicolino. Luce, what's his last name? Lochi. Loce. Loce? I don't know. I'm not sure. Lochi. Yo, he is just, I mean, his, like when you get, like you can't hit him. Like, that's all Floyd. You see it?

You see it, right? And this is early. Yo, this is crazy. A lot of guys liked this back then. Look at this. Look at this. Look, watch this. Look at this. Come on, baby. Have you ever seen Willie Pep? Absolutely.

Yeah. Willie Pep's another one. He won an entire round without throwing punch. Yeah, he was unbelievable. Yeah. Willie Pep. Come on. You know, my uncle was John Henry Lewis. He was a light heavyweight champion.

Really? Yeah, yeah. That was your uncle? Yeah, yeah, my grand uncle, you know, my mother's uncle. So you've been a boxing fan since you're really young? Actually, here's the crazy thing. I didn't even know that I had all of these boxes in my family until I did my DNA research with Henry Lewis Gate on Finding Yerousa,

and they did this whole thing and came to find out all of these people are in my lineage, for real. Like, because my mother was adopted. That's why I didn't know. And then I came to find out, yo, my uncle, all in, like, he's in the Hall of Fame. Wow. Yeah, yeah. He was good. John Henry Lewis.

Wow. Pull him up. Pull up John Henry Lewis. Yeah, him. That's my uncle. Wow. You know what I'm saying? He was unbelievable.

It's unbelievable. He was incredible. He was incredible. I mean, you know, he went up to, he was light, heavyweight. He went up to heavyweight, got knocked out by Joe Lewis really quickly. But he was an unbelievable fighter, you know? He was a, yeah. Yeah, he was powerful.

That's awesome. That's crazy, right? That's crazy. You know, so the fight game, I love the fight game. I love it, man. Like, you know, sometimes I tell him, I miss my kid's wedding to see a good boxing match. Honey, I'm sorry.

I know you. I walk you down the aisle in an hour. Well, there's something very definitive about it. It's like everybody understands what's going on. Like, you don't have to be a fan of boxing to understand what's happening. Combat sports in general. You're watching two people's souls get exposed. That's what I was about to say.

Yeah. Because it's a soul test. Yeah. Because when you're in the fire, now it's about your soul. Yeah. Right? Because you know what you're dealing with. Yeah.

You know, because there's a saying, you can look at a man's eyes and tell his rank. Mm. You can see a person's rank in their eyes. You know what I mean? And I'm not talking about the arrogant. I'm my rank. I'm talking about their rank. Their skill level.

Yeah, who they are. Right. Who they are. It might not even be their skill level, but who they are. because your skill level can fluctuate, it can evolve, it can change, but you know what you're dealing with. Right, right, right.

Like if you get a pit bull puppy, or if you get a, you know, a Rhodesian rigid back, you know, or razor back? Is it Razorback or Ridgeback? Ridgeback? Yeah. You get one of the, like, you can look in a puppy's eyes, you know what you're dealing with.

It reminds me of that movie. Remember the Samurai movie when he gave him the sword or the ball? And he said, pick one. What movie was that? It was the one way the guy was, He was traveling around and his wife was killed. And then they said, no, this is real shit. And he said he put the sword in front of his son

and he put a ball in front of his baby son. He said, if you pick the ball, Shogun Assassin, that's what it is. 1980. Yeah, you choose the sword or the ball. If the kid chose the ball, he was going to kill him. Let me see that scene. That's not the actual scene, but it's a great scene. It's a great scene because he found out what was inside of his son.

Right. You know what I mean? Wow. That's heavy. I love it, man. Well, that's the thing that trainers have to deal with. There's certain people that as you're training them, you realize, they just don't have it. There's something about them.

And then there's other people that you start training right away. Like, oh, if this guy can figure out how to keep this fire burning, he's got it inside of them. Because, like, when you hear people say, and this is like, no disrespect, but this is like the thing. When you hear people say, I'm maintaining or same old shit. I don't really like that. Because you want to thrive and not survive. I actually got that from Glick. That's his quote.

But you want to thrive, not survive. So it's just like being on the mat. You want to thrive. So some people live their lives defensively. And they don't take the opportunity to seize the neck when they can. And like, yeah, that's the sort of the ball scene. And he basically is telling his kid, yo, you choose this ball. You will join your mother.

His mother's gone. Right. You choose the sword. He's a little baby. Exactly. Exactly. You choose the sword and you come with me. Oh, wow.

And he put the sword down and he put the ball down. And watch this. Watch this. Yo, yo, somebody wrote here. Bloody Revent, pick up a ball and join their mother in death. It's absolutely insane work. The quote is hilarious. And then the little boy, he's growing, he's going, he's going, and then.

Yeah, well, and ultimately, he's, he's going. He picks the sword. Ultimately, he picks the sword. It's crazy. Yeah. That's life, though. That is life. Right?

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or a certain thing that I go, you know, I can make certain things, you know what I mean? Like I know I'm not hungry in a certain area. You can decide to improve. Yeah. Now, that doesn't mean it's easy. I didn't say it's easy. And that doesn't mean that I can't relate

to people going through stuff because people go through stuff. And that's legit. But you can decide to be better. I didn't say it's easy but you can decide to be better right yeah it's kind of like the

the pro and the amateur the amateur says to the pro I want to be where you are I want to be at the level you're on and the pro says well you're going to have to sacrifice you have to dig deep you're going to have to go through some pain you're going to go through some trials

it's going to be tough for you and the amateur says that's easy for you to say you're a pro right you feel what I'm saying Yeah. Because a lot of times people, they suspend success in advance. They say that's too hard.

Right. Oh, that's easy for you to say means, I interpret that to mean that's too hard for me. Or I think that's too hard for me. No, it's not too hard for you. You just don't want to be uncomfortable. Yeah. But that's not easy. And see, that's the part.

Like, I'll give you an example, and you may have heard this, you'd be on a set somewhere, and you, yo, how you doing? Living the dream. People say, live in the dream. Most of the time when they say that, it almost sounds like they're upset, but they're trying to keep themselves happy. But what they don't fail to realize is when you dream of roses, you get thorns. If you and I decide we're going to go on an adventure and we're going to climb Mount Everest

and we put the work in, that doesn't mean we're not going to deal with weather. We're not going to deal with slippery slopes. Our legs aren't going to be burning from climbing. It doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean it's easy. It just means that, you know, it's a challenge that we're going after, but challenges are difficult. So success is difficult.

And I think that particular piece right there is what people forget and they miss. Well, I think young people today also are looking for something to happen quickly. No question. You know what's crazy? So I got this theory. I got a hypothesis. I got a lot of them, Joe. Okay.

I'm out of my mind. So it's like the end. internet is like a script, right? Yeah. But real life is on its feet. You've been on set, you did show, you did all kinds. So you know, sometimes you can't have a script and it doesn't work on its feet. They'll say, oh, this isn't working once you put it on his feet.

Well, guess what? If you've been living on the internet, you've been dealing with a script the whole time. Then you get in real life and you're awkward, you can't interact with people, et cetera, because what you've learned in this script and what you've studied isn't working on its feet. You follow them what I'm saying? So in other words, like, in other words, what works behind a keyboard, like, you know, when Mike says people got too comfortable with saying stuff and not getting punched in the face for it,

what works on a keyboard doesn't necessarily work when I walk into your studio and me and you are kicking him. Right, right? That's what, but I think people, so to go back to what you're saying with kids, a lot of times, not all, because there are a lot of animals out there that want it, but a lot of them, they want real life to work like the Internet. Instant validation.

Everybody loves me. Instant this, instant that. Order the drink. Order the stuff. Get the thing. But real life, you got to really get out there and hunt. You got to really get out there in the woods. You know?

Like, the Internet will reward you for chopping down trees in the wrong forest. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But in real life, you got to put your ladder against the right wall, right? That is the weird thing about the internet. And then a lot of people are becoming famous just for being people, just streaming.

Yeah. And so then there's a lot of young kids where they look at that as an avenue for life, where you're not creating anything really. You're not becoming better at anything, really. There's no art. And here's the thing about it, though. Here's the thing I believe. I think that some streamers really are artists.

And they really are doing what's in their spirit. Like when I see a kid like speed going out and doing his stuff and running around. Yeah, that's different. That guy's doing things. But he's doing things, but it feels like to me that is coming from here. Yeah. Right. Some people are just turning a camera on and saying anything for clicks.

Right. Right? No disrespect to them. But we should do the title of this, no disrespect. But the reality is that that's not... You're not really doing it. And you're going to get rewarded. You'll make money.

You'll buy cars. You'll buy stuff. You're going to feel empty. Your soul won't involve. Yeah. You should find something that you could express yourself in, something that's legitimate, something that is uniquely you. What would you do if you weren't afraid, right?

That's always the big question. If you weren't afraid. If you weren't afraid, what would you do? I always say if you had a documentary crew filming your life and it was a story about your success, but it all starts now. Live like that. Like live like a documentary crew is following your journey to success. Yeah.

Do all the things that that person would do. Yeah. Decide like what is it that that kind of person would do? What are the steps they would take to succeed? That's powerful too. That's powerful. Because it's like, you know, you're channeling something. That's like channeling it.

You know, it's kind of, it's not faking to your make it, but in a way it's embodying what you want to ultimately become. Yeah. Right? Like, if you were watching a documentary on a very inspirational person, like, look at this motherfucker, crack a dong, gets in the ice bath, you know? Yeah. He's out there running on the road. He's getting his work in.

He's doing this thing. Like, that's what you would say, God, I want to be like that guy. Well, just do it. And then, you know, the thing is, right? You know what, Joe? And this is the language of success we're talking about right now. You got to be relentless. That's why, like, shout out to my man, Tim Grover.

He wrote the book, Relentless. He trained Michael Jordan. He trained Kobe. I work with him some time. Good vibe, good friend of mine. You have to be relentless. The book is great, by the way. People should check it out.

But you have to be relentless in life. Like, you have to really, really want it. I didn't say it was easy. Please don't conflate relentless with easy. Or relentless with every moment's going to be a better roses. That's not what I said. I said you have to be relentless. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you have to be hungry. Like, I come here, you have beautiful studio, the stuff. This is a manifestation of somebody putting their energy in and being relentless, right? And you have to be comfortable with who you are and stop trying to be someone else. Oscar Weil had the best quote. He said, be yourself. Everybody else is already taken. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah. You feel me? Oh, yeah. I think for a lot of young people, it's a problem that they don't exactly know who they are. Well, they know what they, a lot of people know who, they know what they want. Right. They're scared to deal with it because they feel like that's not something that other people would be into.

It goes back to me making a love song in the middle of like hardcore hip hop. Right. Uh-oh, what will other people say? Was that before after Mama said knock you out? That was before. Yeah, that was way before. Yeah. That was many years before.

because that's one of the hardest songs of all time. That's one of the hardest songs of all time. Don't call her to come back, baby. Come on, man. That's one of the hardest songs of all time. But you also mixed it up with shit like going back to Cali.

Yeah, Rick Rubin. Me and Rick. Yeah, avant-garde blues. Yeah, her bikini small. Heels tall. She said she likes the ocean. She showed me the beach. Gave me a peach.

Now, my bet is fast. Yeah, that was fun. That was a lot of fun. Oh, my God, man. You got some classics. You got some real classics. Rick Rubin is such a trip. He's one of the most interesting people I've ever met.

Yeah, it's so funny. Like my first album, Radio, it says reduced by Rick Rubin. Does it really? Yes. It's not produced. If you pull up the credits, it says reduced by Rick Rubin. Wow. Yeah, because he wanted to strip everything away.

It's kind of like in life, right? It's like stripping down. I've come to realize that stripping away. tends to be a lot more interesting than piling it on. You know what I mean? In a lot of instances. You need context, but it really works.

And he just stripped down because prior to that, most of the hip-hop that was on record, I'm not talking about the streets because the tapes were different, but on record, it was a lot of bands. And a lot of, you know, a lot of musicality.

Records were like disco records. They were like 10 minutes long, 12 minutes long, 8 minutes, 9 minutes long. He reduced it, stripped it down. So I'm rapping a lot of music. over a simple beat. And I'm just, you know what I mean? Yeah.

And it just became this thing, you know? How did you get to know him? So it's so funny. He made a record, he produced a record called It's Yours by Teeler Rock. And it was on the streetwise party time label, but it was Def Jam Productions. Teelar Rock is yours. I bought that record, loved the record, had his number. I still remember this number.

212-420-0-6666. Someone's going to get some foggoffs. My bad. No disrespect. No disrespect. So I did that, and I called them every day. I sent a tape in. Me and my man, my mother, let me backtrack a little.

So I had sent demo tapes to a lot of labels at that time that I thought might be handling rap. One of them being Sugar Hills. some others. And they all kind of gave me these standard notes. We can't, we, we can't use material at this time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, the standard rejection letter. So my mother found one crumbled up on a shelf. I'm dejected. Now, I've been trying for two years, because I started, became a fan at eight, started writing at 11 or 12, at 14. I started working on demos. And now here I am 16, late 15, early 16, working on this demo. I get this

rejection. She gets her tax return. You know. You know, shout out to the people who actually get tax returns. Like, that's pretty, you know, that's a whole other conversation. I want to digress. But anyway, my mother got a tax return, you know, and that tells you everything. She was happy. So that tells you where we were at, right? She, I tell up, she sees the letter.

She's like, Todd, what's wrong? I'm in there in my room. I'm dejected. I'm depressed. I'm like, oh, you know, I'm going to quit. I'm not going to do it no more. I'm going to quit. I'm going to give up.

She said, no, Todd, you sound as good as some of the guys on, those guys on the radio, the people are hearing on your tapes. You sound as good as them. You should keep going. I said, well, I don't have any equipment. I don't have stuff. I can't make a demo. They don't like what I'm doing.

She took her tax return and bought me a cog drum machine. She bought me that cog drum machine. And me and my man, Frankie, shout out to my man, Spinn Master, Finesse, Frankie. We went, Frankie Forbes. We went out. We went to his house. We were so excited. We didn't even, I couldn't even wait to live.

learn how to program it reading the instructions. We did a pause tape. I played the beat. He did the scratching. I played the beat. He did the scratching. I did that. I wrapped over it afterwards. Sent that to Rick Rubin at his dorm. He had a dorm, five university place. He was in the dorms at NYU. Wow. Add rock from the Beastie Boys, Adam Harvitz from the Beastie Boys, heard my demo. He played it for Rick. I was calling Rick every day after I sent it. Like a day or too

late, I'm like, you get the tape yet? Nope. Yo, Rick, you get the tape yet? Nope. I would call them. I would call there like two, three, four times every day. Finally, Ad Rock heard it, played it for Rick. Rick called me up. Well, you call my house. My grandmother picked up. Screwed his, fucked his name up, crazy. You know, slick Dick Rubin, Dick Dubin. You know, my grandma, I'm like, oh my God, Rick Rubin. She's like, you know, so I get, I call him. He's like, yeah, come down to the studio.

We're going to go in. Come down tomorrow. I go down, I get on the subway, I'm doing handstands on the subway, I'm so damn happy. You know what I'm saying? I'm like on the subway platform doing handstands in New York. You know what I mean? Like literally, like so happy. I'm like turning myself upside down with my legs against the beams, like, I'm about to tear this world up. I get on the train, going down to five university, Rick comes down.

I said, he said, hey, what's up, man? I said, you're Rick? He said, yeah, I said, I thought you was black. Look at him right there. And that guy, he looks at me, he goes, cool. We go upstairs. And I'm looking at what the same tattered. You know, he's so crazy.

We go upstairs. We made a demo called Catch This Break. We made that demo. We went across town right after we made it and saw Russell Simmons. Played it for Russell. Russell's like, same old thing. Sounds like this one, that one. It's like, okay.

Me and Rick go back in the studio. Add rock programs beat for Rick. It produces everything. He gets Jazzy Jay to do scratching. We do this thing, I need a beat. Russell, they're like it's so good, they're going to start their own label called Def Jam. They're going to start their own label.

Not just a production company, but the actual label. And they put that song out, and we ended up going in. It was independent. We did two singles. That's me and Ad Rock. And then we ended up, you know, Def Jam became the thing that people know today. Wow.

Yeah, but it all started back then. How did Ruben get involved? Like it's such a fascinating character. He's such a, like, he sees things. Well, he's a, see, the key, the thing is having a P-O-V and being a fan. You don't have to be classically trained in something to have a P-O-V and to be a fan and have taste. Because ultimately, whether it's us being here, whether it's us picking a T-shirt, a book, a bike, a workout mat, it's about taste. Taste is something that you can't

That's the great delineating factor between a lot of things is taste. He has great taste. Yeah. Rick can say that's cool and it will be. At least to us, right? I can't say that everything we ever did

is cool to everybody, but to us, it was cool. Right. You know what I mean? So when we do rock the bells, it's like, it's cool. Right. You know, it's like when we do these songs,

I can't live without my radio, rock the bell. all this stuff. It just felt cool. Jack the Ripper. It just felt cool. You know what I'm saying? To us.

And that's how it is. And that's, to me, that's the thing that makes Rick so fun to work with. It's because he wasn't afraid to tell you, eh, I'm not sure that's it. Like, me and you can't have a real report. If you can't tell me you'll charge your T-shirts,

I don't know, whatever, you know. Yeah. We can't. But he was. tell you. You know? Like my name, like, you know, like I had a friend,

Playboy Mikey D. I had a lot of dudes with like romantic and client names that had them kind of names on it. So I was ladies love, cool James. It's like, you know, that's long for the record, man.

You know, for the label, there's a lot to, LL. Yeah, cool. Let's do it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like it's all those little things,

you know, and that's the thing about Rick. You know what I'm saying? Taste is a big deal. You know what I mean? Yeah. And the fact that you respect his taste. Like he's intelligent enough for you're like taking into consideration because there's a lot of people that have opinions.

So, you know, it's so funny. You're right about that. You know, people always tell you, like you hear somebody say, you got to surround yourself with great people. How do you know they're great people? Right. Well, especially when you're 16. Exactly. Yeah.

So you just have to follow your intuition. Yes. That's the biggest tool in your toolbox. Yes. Your gut is going to be the thing, right? And I always followed that. Like there was times I would tell you. Like, nah, no, Rick, that ain't.

And he was like, you sure? I'm like, huh? But then the other times he'd be like, oh, this is it. And I'm like, yeah, you sure? He's like, yeah. You know? And I would listen. Like, going back to Cali is a classic example.

Initially, I said, I don't think so because I hated the shit. Really? Yeah, I was like, I don't think so. You can keep that. You didn't like that song? Because it sounded different. Like, at first, when we were, it was the dead. demo version.

And I was like, I don't think so. He was like, yo, that sounds crazy. I'm like, yeah. And then I said it. I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. Like, you know, I don't think so. You know, it became a thing, you know. Right.

So you have to, you know, it's just like martial arts. It's like anything. Adjustments. Yes. Right? Taste adjustments. And doing things that work for you. Right.

Your mind, your creativity, your voice, your tenor, you know, your. When you're involved in like the editing process of a song, like, when it says, reduced by Rick Rubin. Did you and Rick, like, sit down together and listen to it and try to sort it out? Did you listen to it independently? So at that time, I would more listen to what he was saying,

but I would, like, hum beats in his ear and then they would program him. I would say, make the beat go like this, Rick, or do this. And then he would, like, so we really worked together. But ultimately, at that time, he would come back to me with ideas, and most of the time I just loved them. I just thought they were great.

You know, I'm a little kid. I'm 16, I'm on the bus. Wow. I'm going back and forth. I'm getting on the subway. We're making these records. And it's just, it just sounded like the coolest stuff in the world. My man E-love, we're walking down the block.

I play rock the bells for him. And he's like, yo, I play it on my walk, when he listens. He's like, yo, let me hear that again. I'm like, yeah, I play for him. He's like, shah. He used to say, he was. shy you know he'd be like y'all let me hear that again you know it was just that kind of a thing you know because i like so i always went after feelings with lyrics like i know nowadays especially in the

internet age people are hyper focused on lyricism and they're hyper focused on complexity of lyrics and couplets and i am pantameter and you know i always i was more in the james brown zone of how does it feel it's kind of like it would be like you like Did the joke make you laugh? Or was it a really smart joke? Like, I didn't really care about it having to be a smart joke. I just wanted them to laugh. I wanted people to feel what I was saying.

I wanted to feel it. So that's why I wrote songs that people can feel. You know, which is very different when you get, when people get over-analytical, that to me, I don't want to listen to an audio book when I'm listening to an album. I want to feel something. Right, right.

You feel what I'm saying? Yes. But what people, like, and so that was kind of my thing. I was never really concerned. Like, it's kind of like, like Quincy Jones said something really interesting to me. He was one of my mentors. He said he had to forget two-thirds of what he knew before he could get a hit. Oh.

You know? Yeah. It's like overthinking your jump shot. It's like overthinking a punch. It's like overthinking a kick. I watched you one time. You was doing some side-hearts. You were talking about you was doing sidekicks and back-kick.

you know, like roundhouse kicks, and you were talking about how you got to get your hip up in the air. But at a certain point, you forgot it, right? You were no longer conscious of it. You just throw the kick the way you throw the kick. Well, when you're writing a song, you can either be one of those people that are overly focused on, I'm raising my hip, and I'm...

Or you could just write the song, and it's a fluid kick that just works. Right. Now, just because when it's a fluid kick that works, If people don't always associate simplicity with genius or hyper-creativity, because they underestimate how difficult it is to get simple. Right, right, right, right. Right. Like if I, you know, if a guy who, you know, you're very experienced martial artist.

A guy comes in here and he's like a, you know, he's telling you're in your shoulder and your elbow and you're, all right. And another guy comes here, Bruce comes in here, ha, he just throws it. You're like, you know what I mean? You can forget. You see what I'm saying? Because it seems so easy. Yeah. Simplicity is very underrated.

It's really underrated. We were talking about that the other day in the comedy mothership green room about the song, Jesse's Girl. Jesse's Girl. Think about how simple that song is. Where can I find me a woman like that? Right.

But see, that's the thing. But guess what that means? Think about how many people feel that, though. Feel like that. Yes. Where can I find me a woman? Like, think about how many people feel like that. Yeah. See, so what happens is it's kind of like if you got a squeaky floor and I, you know, and a hundred carpenters come in there to change it and then one guy comes in and puts a nail right there, but he wants to charge you 10 grand or some crazy astronomical number. You're paying me because I know what the spot. You're not paying me because of how difficult it was to solve the problem. It's identifying the thing. So identifying Jesse's girl. I want to, you know, you know, you're paying. You know. You're not paying me. You're not paying me. You're not paying me. You're not. You're not. You're not paying. You

You understand what I'm trying to say? Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. You feel me? Cut into it. Get touching the thing like, orgasm, bro. She don't care.

Yo, she don't care. What? Orgasm. Yo, you know what I mean? Yes. Oh, he kissed the toe and he, he nibbled on the knee. Orgasm. What you do?

You see what I'm saying? Simplicity. Yeah. You know, respectfully. You know? Yeah. Orgasms are simple. Yeah.

Especially in songs, right? Yeah. Yeah. But so people kind of, I think, I think that that to me has been something that worked for me. Just keeping it simple. You know, sometimes I get complicated, but for the most part, when I find a feel, when I get a feel, that's what I go with. And I do that in life.

That's a great way to live. It's very smart. It's smart and you have good instincts and you've had a long series of success trusting your instincts. So you know how to do it. I mean, 84. That's crazy. What was it like becoming famous at 16? Well, you know, it was like the movie Porky's.

Or Project X, if you want to bring it up to newer days. It was, it was, it was, it was that. I never saw Project X. So Porky's, it was, Project X is crazy party and all this stuff happens. But ultimately, man, I just, I went, you know. Went ham. Without a doubt. Ham sandwich.

Ham, the pig with the apple in his mouth. Ham sandwich, baby. That'd be crazy. I loved it. I loved every moment because I was living life and enjoying myself. And, you know, you can get what you want, you know, and you can go where you want to go. I never went to a prom. You know what I'm saying?

I didn't go to a prom. I didn't do all of those things. I didn't do a lot of the normal things. that, you know, a lot of kids get to do. Did you feel like you missed out on that? Hell no. Ha! Ha!

Hell no. Fuck you're problem. Hell no. No, I just, you know, I got, I had girls invite me to prom. I ain't going to that. You know, I was crazy, man. I was crazy, man.

But we had a ball, man. You know, I introduced hip hop in Maine. Really? Yeah, that was a... Like, there's a video of me. We was in a small gymnasium in Maine. This is the first time hip-hop was in Maine, and I introduced it, and it was like, might have been, I don't know,

15 kids and 20 parents or something in a room, and I'm explaining to them. So this is my DJ Cut creator. He's going to do the... That's it right there. We're literally introducing hip-hop in Maine. Like, I'm literally... It had never been there before.

Look, they're sitting on the floor. Wow. Think about that. Think about what, look. And my man, cut creator is cutting. That's the people introducing me. Cuts cutting. And we're explaining to them how it's going to work.

And I'm telling them, this is hip-hop. This is my DJ. This is how this works. This is how, like, I literally had to do tutorials to teach people how to interact with hip-hop. That's crazy. Yeah. You see? And I'm explaining to them what we do.

That's my DJ cut creator, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean? Right. So it was that kind of a vibe. That's crazy. So, like, that's kind of the world I lived in. Like, you know. That's like a historical moment.

Yeah. When you're looking at a cultural historical moment, you introduced it to, like, people who have never been to Maine, like in 1985, I used to do stand-up in Maine. Yeah. Maine is, it was strange. It was different, right? Small towns, isolated people who were used to being 30 below zero for five months out of the year. They're hard-ass fucking people.

A lot of hard drinking. Geese, running around, you know, geese and moose, you know. It's an odd place, man. Yeah. Moons, you know. Yeah, look at it, look at it. I mean, it's crazy. It's what?

That's crazy. Maybe 100 people in there? I don't know. Maybe it's a little more. That's crazy. I mean, it was that kind of a thing. You know what I mean? Yeah.

So being 16, 17, 18, doing that around the country was really wild. Because I did that in a lot of places. Wow. It was very different, man. Wow. You know? It was very different, you know? And there was no roadmap either.

It was like, there wasn't like a lot of hip-hop stars before you that you could talk about or talk to about it. Well, there was no industry. Right. So you don't have any managers that really understood it. There was Russell. But you don't have managers. You don't have, like, you had Bill Adler, who was a publicist. but there was no industry.

So there's no, you understand what I'm saying? Yes, yes. There's no platform. There's no, you can't go get a strategic partner. We're not doing branding. Right, right. You know what I mean? Yeah.

It was all about like, you know, grassroots. This is something we love. This is something we believe in. You know, take it or leave it, basically. Like, you know. But there's just so few times in history where an art form emerges like that. Yeah, I mean, it's a blessing, too.

It's a luck and blessing. A huge blessing. Yes, a blessing. Obviously, you were very talented, obviously you work very hard, but it's also like, what an incredibly fortuitous moment to be there at that time when a new art form is emerging

that is going to become the dominant art form. It's like one of the most dominant things in pop culture ever. Yeah. It's hip-hop music. And you know what the beauty of it is? You know, people always say, did you ever know what's going to get this big?

It's like, it was, was already that big to me in my mind. It was the biggest thing in the world to me. I didn't say it was the biggest thing out in the world. Right. But in my mind, it was the most popular thing and the biggest thing. So when I'm playing the vinyl and I'm staring at the record, or if I'm playing a tape and I'm listening to a tape,

and I'm like imagining myself inside that, like, it was all consuming. But that's a, there's a little, there's a jewel in that. We have to be completely consumed by what it is that we're embarking on. Right? Yes. We have to be completely consumed by it. It's got to, you got to want it in every fiber of your being, man.

You got to want it with every fiber of your being. You can't take no for an answer, not even from yourself. Right? Yeah. Yeah. It's important to hear, man. People need to hear this,

especially young people. It's like so important to hear someone who's been through it all and maintains that focus and what that's all about to you. Man, it's a beautiful thing. But I'll tell you, you know, Joe, I know the young people, yes, but all people. Because dreams don't have deadline.

Because a lot of people, they get to a certain age and they give up. Oh, I'm 50. Oh, I'm 46. I can't do it anymore. No, no, yes, you can. Stop. Stop. Colonel Sanders was how old when he started Kentucky Fried Chicken, like 65?

He really was. Was it really? Yes. Google. Cornelius Vanderbult was like 80, in his 80s during the, went to the railroads after the steam, the ships. I mean, there are countless examples of people that

kept Sam Jackson. You know, like there are countless examples of people that kept George Farman. Let's put it back on the sporting world. Came back and did this thing. Like, you can do it. There's no limitation. The limitation is in your mind. You know what I'm saying?

That's certainly true. You're still alive. This idea that you're at a chapter in your life where no more growth is going to happen. It's crazy. It's crazy, man. Don't do that yourself why would you do that to you well people like to do that for some reason they like to categorize their life into certain stages oh it's not just constant it's not it's not just kind like oh i'm past that stage oh i can't do that anymore you know why you know because you don't have to compete it's easy as soon as i say to you oh well you know i don't i no longer have to

try i no longer have to get in the arena you know that that poem the man in the arena yeah like there's a certain point when they just you just wanted to step out of that the arena. Like, you know, because it's not really about competition in life. It's about being creative, right? Right. You could teach your kids to compete. That's if you.

You teach them to create, they can have a life. Yeah. Right? Not that we don't want to compete. I love sport. You know, we love sports, combat sports, basketball, football. Like, we love all the stuff. But creativity is the thing that's going to make you the greatest competitor.

Because whether you're in the ring, you're in the dojo, you're in the arena. It's the creativity. Jordan's creativity. You know what I mean? It's the creativity on the court. Caii's creativity. Those are the things that take you to the next level. So I would just encourage the all people,

not just the youngsters, but like everybody to keep going. And when you look in the mirror, what do you see? You know the best version of yourself. I looked in the mirror one time. I took my shirt off. I looked at the mirror. I turned to the side.

It looked like somebody took a pebble and went, you know what I mean? Like they just threw it in a pond. I was like, no, we can't do that. I said, we ain't doing that. Oh, we're not doing that. You know what I mean? Yeah.

That's a decision. I'm not saying it's easy. Don't hit me with the, it's, yo, but it's not easy. I didn't say it was. But you know who you are. Well, this is the reason why most people don't do it is because it's not easy. It doesn't mean you can't do it. You just have to figure out how to persevere.

And a lot of people never learn that. And then they get scared. They get scared of failure. That's a big one. That's the fear of failures. hold people back from almost everything. So you're a big fan of the whole concept of many worlds and multiverse and all that, right? Which I love.

I love all that kind of stuff too. I'm crazy. So it's like, well, you know, when you think about the multiverse and you think about or many worlds and you think about if you look at your life as a series of choices, what would your life be like if you made different choices? Oh, yeah. Right? Okay. Okay. So let's game it out.

Okay. So if you decided not to give up, what would your life be like in five years? Want to find out? Right. You know what I mean? Everybody's red pill, blue pill, this and that. You want to find out? Take the personal red pill.

You know what I'm saying? The personal one. And if you get to five years and you still haven't made it, don't give up because it might be five more. And what if you just went through five more and got there? Or would have five more passed you and you did nothing and you stayed the exact same place in life? Even in that scenario, if you didn't accomplish it,

you would still be better for us. Because your soul would evolve. Yeah, your character would grow. You'd become a better person. Yeah, with difficult things, you'd become a better person. Right? Yeah. That was one of the things my martial arts instructor said to me when I was a kid.

He said martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential. 100%. Yeah. Exactly. And we want to maximize our potential. Yeah. For me, you know, as a youngster, when you just into martial arts at a very low level, it was about, it just taught me humility and respect.

taught me not to be tough, taught me manners. Yeah. You know, I'm looking at my sensei, or even a sempai, and I'm like, you know, his assistant, and I'm like, you know, this guy looks like, you know, you could steal his sandwich and kick him in the butt and give him a wedgy, and he'll kick your forehead off of your skull. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. You learn respect. Yeah. Well, it's just good for people, young people in particular, to be humbled and to have structure and to do something that's difficult. And also the progression of learning as you go along, oh, I'm much better than I used to be.

Oh, now I have a blue belt. Oh, now I have a green belt. Whatever it is. Like, this progression is important because it marks these milestones and it cements in your mind that hard work and focus and all these things. I'm glad you said that.

So I love the idea that originally, like, with belts and martial arts, the reason why black belts became black belts because of use, heavy usage. In other words, I start off. with a white belt. I never washed it because I don't want to wash my skill away. And I've been working at this art form so long that ultimately it's black from dirt and soot and hard work and grime and grit. That's such an interesting concept when you think about it because you can

have a black belt in life and not know it. You can have a black belt in certain areas of your life and not even know it. Like a lot of people in this world are black belts in certain things and they don't even recognize it because they're not self-aware. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. You feel me? Yeah.

So that to me, like, the idea of going a white belt and that progression and finding out, I forget the book I was reading. He talked about it. It's one of the Gracie books. Gracie, one of one, it's a newer one. And he was talking about this book.

Is it Hickson? Hickson-R-Shan? No, I don't want to say the wrong that because there's a lot of them. I don't want to say the wrong name and be disrespectful. Hickson's the one who writes the book. Hickson with an R. The principles of jiu-jitsu.

It's the principles, the 32 principles of jujitsu. I don't know about that. Okay. And he talked about this progression of going from white belt to black belt and how it was traditionally, it was because, you know, people were like, what is it? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, and Jocko did the.

Oh, it's Hennar. Hennar, Gracie. Oh, yeah. And Jock did the Ford. Yeah. Yeah. interesting about that too. If you get an old black belt, they turn white again. Yeah. I saw Jocko. I think Jocko had one like that, right? He has one like that, right?

They get beat up, they get torn apart, and as they wear out, the black goes away, and you almost have like a white belt. If you look at your instructor, your instructor, the guy that's with Donner, go to his picture again. Glic, Brian Glick. If you could find him, you'll see his belt, and his belt is so worn out because he's been a black belt for a long time. There's frayed white all over it. Which is crazy. Yeah, and guys who have like, you know, fifth and sixth degree black belts have been training for 30 years.

Their belts are all fucked up to the point where it's almost white. That's crazy. And that's like Joseph Campbell. It's like the hero's journey, right? Because you go all the way back and return. Look at it. Look at it.

See how his belts all frayed? Yeah. So that's just the beginning stages. Yeah. Like, there's guys that have 10-year-old or 15, 20-year-older belts than that where they're completely black. Like, you look at Donahur's belt.

Donahoe has a nice new one on. Yeah. But his is all fucked up because he's got the original black belt that he probably, when he first got his black belt. Yeah. And he's like Donahir's longest running student, right? Oh, is he really? I believe he's one of them.

Oh, wow. Yeah, Brian's been around for a long time. Yeah, yeah. He's a good teacher, too. And see if you can find some old Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts. They get old. And then the thing about Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts, they get to a certain level where they become coral belts where they give him a red and black belt.

Yeah, yeah. I know. I heard about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like my instructor, Jean-Jacques Machado, he got his choral belt. Because of what you've done for the art form, yeah.

All fucked up, beat up to the point where they're basically almost white. Exactly. Yeah. It's fascinating. Yeah, and you get the choral belts because you uphold the art form itself, right, at that point, and the craft and your contribution to the craft, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. It's, you know, I love, you know, this is life. This is the language of life right here.

Yes. You know, people, you know, people get and think about these things trying to be tough guys. It's not. It's about the language of life. Yes. You know what I mean? This is because you're battling yourself. Like, you know, when you can step in the studio as a mature older guy and walking there with a white belt and get, you know, and let a purple bell slap you around or let a, you know what I'm saying?

Like, these are things like, but it's good for you. Yes. Right? And you as a known person, that's a different thing. Like, someone gets to choke out L.L. cool, Jenner. It's very different. It's very different than, you know, Mike Jones from down the street.

Yeah, it's different, man. It's different. Like, you know. Choking me out and all that? It works on famous rappers. Yo, he's like, yo, yo, rap the song. Rap the fucking song.

Mama said, knock you out. Mama said, knock the fucking rap. Yo, rap it is so funny, B. No, no, rap that shit. Say it. I always like this song. Say it. Oh, no.

Do you remember when you got your first tap, when you first tap somebody? No, I haven't gotten it yet. You haven't gotten a sale tap yet? Wow. No. So you're really fresh. I'm fresh. I'm fresh.

I'm brand new. I'm brand new in the game. You can tap out Jamie. Well, I'll show you out. No, no, no, no. I don't, I'll mess around at Jamie. I have me. Jamie, have you man in an Americana or something nasty.

Nah. But I'm, you know. That's awesome, though. I'm really happy that you're doing that. Yeah, just, you know, just starting with Glick. But it's, I just think life in general, Joe. these are the language of success man you know what I'm saying yeah the language of success bro like let's win I think it's always good to do things from the very beginning too to start off as a

beginner again and something because you develop a be you have a beginner's mindset when you first learn something I think that excitement of like a new thing where you're like absorbed in it and trying to figure it out and you really don't know and then you see people who are good at it you're like oh there's a whole new avenue for my interests and a whole new avenue for thinking for creativity. Absolutely. You know what else is dope? I'll tell you something, a dope technique that I think is cool, and you may do this. I'll read one book for three, four years. Really? Yeah. Just go back and read it again? Like, my thing is this, if you read a book, you became a black belt because you know all the moves, and then you get the degrees because

you, I mean, it's an endless ocean of information. We know that, but you get it because you, so why not become a black belt in the book? Mm. How you, you're going to take one lesson and now you know Jiu-Jitsu or you're going to take one. You know Shoto Khan because you, you know, you went for, you know, three lessons and or you learned a kata. Let's say you memorized three kattas. Now you're done? Like, no, you have to, so to read a book for three or four years, like you probably, what's your favorite book?

Ooh. Boy, I don't know if I have a favorite book. One of the most impactful books for me was a book that I read when I was very young called the Book of Four. Five Rings. Oh, yeah, Miyamoto Masashi. Yeah. So, so let's say, let's say, let's say you read Miyamoto Masashi. You've read that a lot of times, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, I've read that. I don't even know how many times.

But see, but I read it a lot when I was young, though, yeah. But see what you just said? Mm-hmm. Now, imagine consciously doing that. You did it. Yeah. Because Masashi, yo, Book of Five Rings is really interesting. Well, I've read a lot of stuff like that, but that was the first one that I read from a guy who would kill people with swords. Yeah, he was unbelievable.

Yeah, there was a lot of people that had. really good books on philosophy and managing the mind. Well, I believe it or not, like a lot of Anthony Robbins stuff. I love Tony Robbins. Especially early in the day. Yeah. That was like in the 1980s. I was walking in the seagulls.

I saw the view of this. I love everything. Very inspirational stuff. Absolutely. And also like really good at like time management, like good at mind management, managing your expectations and your understanding of things. There's a lot of like good psychology in those books. But the thing about the,

Musashi book to me that was so impactful was that this guy was so unusual even for his time, killed 60 men or 61 men in combat one-on-one with fucking swords. You know, and like his mind had to be completely dialed in. And his idea was that you had to have a complete balance and that you had to have a balance of art and creativity and poetry as well as being ruthless and vicious with a sort. You had to have full balance. See, it's harmony. It's not even balance, it's harmony.

Yeah. Because balance something's out of harmony. Yes. Because if this would be this much of your life, this can be this much of your life. So it's having harmony. And that's what he talked about in the book. Yes.

And I love the little things he talks about, like, you know, being sticky. You know, when he talks about sticky and being sticky on your opponent. Little things he talks about in there. Putting, making sure that, you know, the sun is to your back, the threshold, putting them in the threshold, making sure you're, you know, when you're, you know, when you're, in the room, certain corners, like all of that matters in life, right? Yeah.

Me, Amortemasaki is amazing. Yeah, I know. It's amazing stuff. And it's, you know, it's really old. It's like from the 1400s. Yeah, absolutely. And he died in the cave. Yeah.

He wrote it and he went up in the cave. Yeah. Yeah. I love mea-Modomisashi. Absolutely. It's such a valuable book because you want to think about samurai as being brutes. You want to think of them as being vicious killers. And you realize, like, in order to be the very best at,

you had to be a completely balanced person. Like he did calligraphy and poetry. Absolutely. He was, he had the love song and he had mama said, There you go. He had balanced. Now you're seeing where I'm going. Now you see where I'm going.

Yes. Now you see what I'm saying. Yeah. Now you see what, that's what I'm talking about. He knew when to let the guy just float off, right? He knew when to let the guy float off. The guy made him wait. He knows when it's disrespectful, making the guy,

like all of those little things that he did. He'd make dudes wait for hours. Yeah, all of that. Imagine you think you're going to get killed and you have to sit there for three hours when is this motherfucker showing up? And then you're like, damn, I should have ate something. Yeah.

You start thinking. Yeah, I mean, everything he talked about, the way you hold the sword, the positioning of the sword, being able to use both swords, the long one versus the short one. Yeah, right? Yeah, yeah.

All of that is life. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The mastery, the mastery of the way. and that once you see the way, you can see it in all things. That's exactly. And that's what I'm trying to encourage with what I say these things is like people, mastery is really, really important. Mastery.

Starting with mastery of yourself, mastery of your vision, meaning you know what you want. Mastery of the steps that you take, meaning that you will take the steps that you deem appropriate, but also make adjustments along the way. Yeah. Right? Yeah. That's the thing. That's where we want.

want to go, right? Right. That's what we're trying to, that's what, and even trying, that's what we're doing. That's what we're doing. Now we, you feel me? Yeah. Like, that's the thing. Like, I think people just need to get back into that. You know, let's lean into that a little more. Well, certainly people that inspire you do that. And that's what, we all take inspiration from other people that are getting after it. Like, there's something about when someone is doing that. And, and, and, and, and chasing mastery. There's something very inspiring about that.

That's right. Because, like, if you think about it, it's like, mastery breeds a quiet, first of all, mastery is transferable, meaning the mindset. It's kind of what Misasio, Mia Mota said, which is the idea of once you see the way in all things.

So once you know what success looks like and what it takes, you can apply that to other missions. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, because you understand the stages. Yeah. Right?

Yes. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, that's the thing. Yeah. And I think that's the thing that we have to get. That mastery, that mindset, that mindset of being a master, that mindset of being the best that you can be,

that mindset of going to another level, that mindset of winning. And winning in a way that benefits your team. right? It doesn't mean, like, because we're not, it's not about being non-confrontational. It's just because you need boundaries,

but it's about protecting those boundaries the right way. You feel me? Sort of. Okay, so basically what I'm saying is there's a difference between being nice and being kind. Right. Being nice is I want everybody to like me.

So I'm going to bullshit. Right. Right. Kind is, yeah, I'm going to be kind. But if you step all over my shoe with your muddy boot, I'm not going to be okay with it. Because I'm trying to be nice. And you're maybe in a higher position. You're on my foot.

You don't get a pass for that. Right. You feel me? Yes. Because you're here or you're this or you're that. What celebrity or CEO or whatever. You feel me? Yeah.

You don't get a. So that's the thing. Like that part, there's a difference between... You have to have balance in that, too. Harmony. Yeah. I say harmony, you say balance, but I say harmony. Harmony is a better word.

I say harmony because things fit in their place like an orchestra. Yeah. Orchestras are not balanced, but there's harmony. Right, right. You know, certain instruments lead. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

You know? You should write a book on this shit, too. I just read all these other shit. But it's for real. It's like what people want to hear about this kind of stuff, they want to hear about it from someone who has been successful. Someone who is like, this is a real, you've actually had to manage these thoughts and get through it and you have.

And now you're speaking from a place of experience. There's no question. You know, it's not like theory. No, it's practical. It's practical. It's like, it's a real practical. That's why it's important to hear from a guy like you. Because especially, I mean, I say especially for young people,

let me say, let me take that out. out for aspiring people. Oh, there you go. That's, yeah, aspiring people, exactly. It's not even how long you've been alive. It's like, what is your mindset right now? And most young people are aspiring because they feel like they have their whole life in front of them. And they've been told, hey, you live in America.

You could be anything in America. You can make it here. You can go from the bottom to the top. This is the place. And so they are initially aspirational. And then a lot of times people get beaten down by life and circums. and poor choices and... Well, I think education, your choices is big.

Education, I think the root of the Latin word is educo. I may not pronouncing it right, because you look that up for education, but it means to do, it's to bring out. So education is about bringing out what's already there. Like a good teacher, you know, will bring out of you, even a good martial arts structure will bring out what's inside of you, that inner champion,

that thing that's already in you, they bring it out. That's what education is about, right? So like the first thing that popped in my head when you said aspiring in America, I'm thinking about all the people from all over the world who come to America. So they were already that before they came. Right. So people in general want to be better. Some people. A lot of people are willing to take the risk to be better.

You know what I mean? I think everybody wants to be better, but not everybody's willing to take the risk. Yeah. That's even better. I don't think there's a lot of people out there in the world that say I want to be better. Yeah. Would like to be better. Yeah, yeah.

Would like to have had the mindset to pursue being better. But there's very few people that, like, I don't want to be better at anything. I'd rather be mediocre and, you know, uninteresting forever. Most people don't want that. Eat cereal, you know. It's just like they lower their expectations so that they also lower the impact of failure. 100%. That's all it is.

100%. It's unfortunate. It sucks. And sometimes people start off that way and then they eventually realize the folly of their ways. And then they evolve and grow. and some people it takes longer, which is why aspirational is better than young. 100%. Because there's some people, like, they get on the wrong path and then they don't figure it out to their 40.

Like Stephen Presfield, brilliant author. Yeah, I know who is. You know who is? He wrote this book called The War of Art. Have you read it? Of course. Okay. That book's fantastic.

About procrastination and stuff? Yes, yes. One of the best parts about that book is that Pressfield was kind of lazy in his own words until he was 40. Yeah. And then he figured it out when he was 40. It was like, I see what I'm doing. wrong and now I'm going to completely dedicate myself to the news. I'm going to do the work.

I'm going to show up every day at the same time with an intention. I'm literally going to set my intention to do the work. And all of a sudden he writes Legend of Bagger Vance and all these great books and it becomes hugely successful and turned it around. You know what's crazy? I heard this quote right and it like it stripped me down and made me kind of reassessed but it's true. And as an artist it was hard for me to admit it.

But this quote, inspiration is for amateurs. Ooh. The professionals have to actually go to work. Yeah. That's a rough quote to accept. That's a rough one. Yeah. Mike Tyson has a great one too.

He said, discipline is doing something that you hate, but doing it like you love it. Woo. Yeah. That's real. Because the fire that burned inside of that man, I mean, no one can keep that fire going forever.

But you have to consider the fire, fire in like from 86 to like 90, whatever, that the time when he was just on this mad run through the heavyweight division, like that fire burned so hot, it burned so hot that that statement hits so hard. Crazy. Yo, pull up, I got to see this picture. Pull up Mike Tyson holding L.L. Ku J's gold chain. It was the funniest picture to where I got it.

It's so like, I'm like, he's holding my chain. It's the funniest photo, man. This reminds me, I loved him. I loved him. Me and Mike hung out. Yo, it was crazy, man. We used to hang out. Yo, Mike is, that's my man.

I loved that guy. I went to see him in jail. Did you really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I remember walking, girl on the TV. He said, hey, man, what are you doing you, man? Oh, man, you can't just see me.

I went to see him and all that. That's my man. Wow. Yeah, yeah, Mike's my man. Mike's my man, you know. But I love, you know, I love champions, you know. Lennox Lewis. Like, no, that's us hanging out, but no, that's not it.

It's not coming up. Yeah, well, you, it's kind of in the, see the one right there with my man Shorty Black and, yeah, that's one, but that's one of them, but there's a picture like that if you were to search around, you'll, ultimately, you'll find it. You know, but yeah, you ain't got to go through it, but it's, yeah, that's my man, that's my guy, that's my dude. He was unbelievable, too. Him, Floyd Patterson, that style of fighting, the customato style, customato style, the peekable, it's crazy. He's another guy to talk about fortuitous moments. Oh, yeah. 13 years old gets adopted by Custamato who was a hypnotist and one of the greatest boxing coaches of all time.

Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, though he used to hypnotize. There it is. See? Wow, 1986. Yo, how great? Yeah, that was crazy.

He's to hypnotize Mike when he was young. Really? Yeah. Yeah, he hypnotized him. He taught him how to box, taught him psychology. taught him warrior mentality. I love the hero, when he talks about the hero and the cowboys. Yes.

What they do when they're afraid? Yes. Yeah. They both feel the same thing. Yeah. You know, because people always ask me, like, if I'm going on stage, they'll say, yo, do you get nervous before you go on stage? Well, if you don't get nervous, you don't care. Right.

If you don't get nervous, you don't care. Now, what do you do with it? You got to use it as fuel. Right. You got a big show in New York. You feel nerves, but you use it. use it as fuel. It's just like a fight, like a match. You got to have, you got to feel it.

If you don't feel that, you don't care. Yeah. Right? But then you use it as fuel, you channel it. And all of a sudden, that fight or flight thing, that adrenaline, that power, it becomes a power that you tap into. Yeah. You know what I mean? And you could do that in life.

Customano talked about that with fear. He said, fear is like fire. It can cook your food, or if you can't control it, it'll burn your house down. 100%. Yeah. 100%. You need it, though. You definitely. You do. You need it. I get nervous for every show I do. I always do. See what I mean? Because I care.

That is exactly right. And if you don't care, you don't get nervous. It doesn't mean you're fearful. No. It doesn't mean you're thinking. It's not stage fright. Yeah. No, no, no. It's like anxiety and like. Butterflies. Like, do we go? It's about to go down. This is about to happen. Absolutely. And the more of those moments you can get in your life where you have to rise to the expectations, the better you are.

It's good for you. Those moments are good for you. They get exciting. That's right. It lets you know you're live. You're doing something fun. There you go. It means you're on the edge. Yeah. Because you want to live your life on the edge.

Like a lot of times, like, you know, I don't hate it because that's the wrong word, but it bothers me when I see people that are like, it's kind of like what you said earlier. When they're people that kind of like are, what's the word, not relinquished, but like they're relegate. I'm trying to figure out, it's basically what I'm saying is people that just decide that they're not. going to keep going. You know what I'm like here? I forget the word. It's a R word.

Yeah, I can't remember it either. Yeah, but they, yeah, yeah. Fuck my head up now. I had a lot of after parties. I'm trying to think right now. But they relished. And somebody out there in the comments knows exactly what. They've relegated.

Relegated, yeah, to kind of just being. Yeah. Nah, man. Let's get it, baby. Yeah. Let's go get it. Let's go get it. Let's go get it.

That's an infectious mindset. You got to be around. people that think like that. It's very good for you. Very good for you. And you've got to be that guy too, so other people around you absorb it. That's right. Yeah. Because if you're around a bunch of people, they're like, man, this fucking, I never catch a break. Like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Those people are brutal.

Oh, my God. That's what we, you know, stay away from the unlucky. People that talk like that. Stay away from the unlucky. That's important, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's important. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a real thing. Yeah. Oh, you know, is it? Is it? Is it? You know, is it? Yo, What? You got people around? What? Like, my thing is as soon as somebody start talking like that, I'm like, listen, man, you know, you got to say something about some success at some point, baby. Anything good happened recently? Anything. Anything happened good. I don't deal with that. Also, what are all these things that are bad having common? You were there? Do you think that might be a factor? That might be a factor. Your behavior, your essence might be a factor. You know what, on a more point,

positive note. I want to shout it out to my man Eddie. My man Eddie at competitive edge athletics. He loves you. Loves this show. Shout out to Eddie. Yeah, my man, Eddie O. Boyle. He was like, yo, you got to, yo, you got to do it, man. You got to yo, I want you going Joe Rogan, man. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on, Todd. I'm like, yo. I love Joe.

I watch the show. I love when we talk about the pyramids. And we talk about, you know what I mean? Like, lost civilization. Oh, you get into that shit? Yeah. I'm into all the real shit. Like all the lost civilization. Pyramids.

The most fascinating thing on earth to me. Yo, Atlantis, they keep finding stuff under the world. You know it's all there. First of all, you know what? You know what? I'm going to tell you where everything is at. The permafrost. Really?

If we could, come on, Joe, if we could melt down that goddamn per- Yo, the permafrost? Like, you go in Russia and you find that, you know, those permafrost down in there, under there's a lot of action. Anywhere that's frozen in Antarctica, like anywhere, frozen underneath that, that's everything. It's all there. What do you think is there? I think it's civilizations there. Do you think there's ancient civilizations there? 100%. Have you ever seen those things that look like pyramids in Antarctica?

Yes. Very weird. Yes. Absolutely. And they try to say they're natural occurring. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I don't know what it looks like underneath the ice, so it's hard to tell, because sometimes rocks do look like, you know, it's just a natural formation that looks like somebody made it. But they use a LIDAR. Aren't they, isn't that the thing they use? I don't know if they've used it in Antarctica, but there's images of these mountains and the top of it, you're like, hey, what the fuck is that? It looks like it was

yeah, absolutely. It looks like step pyramid. Yeah, I know exactly. Absolutely. There's a bunch of those, and there's a lot of those in South America that are just completely covered in jungle that they're finding. Well, first of all, the idea that people weren't going all over the earth. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, come on, baby.

Like, I mean, come on, bro. But is there an angle of that where it doesn't look crazy? Whoa, look at the top. Is that real? The aerial, were they looking straight down on it? I don't know. If that's real, that's nuts. Yeah, that's crazy.

That looks like a damn pyramid. Except the right angle, the far side, lower right, that looks a little jagged. But the other ones look remarkably symmetrical. But then they find maps. They found maps. Now, I don't want to confuse the Arctic with Antarctica, but I think they found maps that were done when that wasn't frozen, right? Yes. Yes, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that is, uh, is that, is that Antarctica? They have those ancient maps from the, the 1800s? Yeah, 1500s.

Yeah, 1500. Before they even knew Antarctica was a continent. And they had people that showed what it looked like when it was green. Right. Yeah. Well, there's some old maps that are super confusing. It's like, how do they know all this? There's some old maps that are also written from older maps that are lost.

Yeah. And you just go like, what, how? Do you know that thing that they found in Greece thing? anti-cathera mechanism? Yeah, the computer, like that thing that's like a computer. Like, yeah, like you, yeah. That is one of the great monkey wrenches of all of history. Like someone just threw a monkey wrench into the gears and like, stop.

Yeah. What's that? Yeah. How the fuck is this 2,000 years old? It's like super complicated gears and lever computer. Yeah, like the computer, yeah. I know exactly. And they didn't even know what the fuck it was when they first found it.

But now they've done these scans of it where they have these like sophisticated scanning devices that can give you the internal components and the mechanisms of it and the deeper they understand about it, the more confused they are. And they think it was navigation. Yeah. They could tell what the stars were doing, navigation. And you know, and with sophisticated calendar and, but it's just insane. Like, how did they figure out how to do this 2,000 fucking years ago?

And where did they get that information? And what is missing? What have we lost from before that? I think that's the real question. Yeah. Because human creativity is the same as it's always been. Right. The same way you want something to eat, they wanted something to eat.

Yes. The same way you have a desire to know what's out there, they have a desire to know what's out there. That's why, like, just the orphan, a little bit of tan. People say, oh, there's nothing in out of your mind. That's like standing on top of a mountain looking down at the water and saying there's nothing in there. Right. And then some guy says, yo, I saw some dolphins. I saw something jump out and blow, and you're like, ah, I don't believe you.

You really think that we just sitting here and there's nothing? Like, that's absurd. It's absurd. It's absurd. It's absurd, bro. It's absurd. It's also absurd that this is as smartest people have ever been Because the pyramids themselves, you're like, okay, we can't make that today

I don't give a fuck when anybody says Giving the tools that they had supposedly Giving the knowledge that we have today We can't make that So how do they do that? First of all, that is so arrogant Because it's like you think you're the smartest humans have ever been You think the first good idea happened in the last 200 years

Right, right, right All of the good ideas happened in the last 500 years Really, you really believe that? Like, think about that for a minute, right? Now, I'll tell you, I have a hypothesis, though, on how they were looking at planets. I think the ambient lighting of the earth was a lot less than. And I think that the, so the stars look a lot closer and it was easy to look at everything. Oh, definitely.

Less light pollution, 100%. Less light pollution, right? No doubt. They probably had almost none except for some torches and shit. So imagine how everything looked. So you can build things and clock things. It's kind of like your ceiling. Also, you have nothing to read

and you have no light. So you're spending time staring at the stars when you would ordinarily be inside, watching TV, hang with your friends, going to a bar. No, you're like literally studying this complex pattern in the sky. And then guess what happens?

You become more self-reflective. Because, like, they've done analysis of kids, right? And you have some that... They've got to build something. You have some that stare out the window. and it kind of can predict what you're going to be like in the future. Yeah. And that behavior of looking inside, when you stare at the stars,

it makes you, you know, I stare at the abyss or is the abyss staring at me? When you look out, you end up looking in and you become more, you know what I mean? You become more in tune with who you are and your imagination opens up. And I think that that's why a lot of that literature and a lot of the great ancient writings are the way they are, because people were looking inward more. Yeah. You know what you're saying? It can be, you know, yeah.

Well, you're also like, you're confronted with awe. Like, the Milky Way itself is so awe-inspiring. And just the vastness of the cosmos. It's one of the greatest pieces of natural art that you can see anywhere in the world, and it's hidden to us because of lights. Without a doubt. Street lights and traffic and all the shit.

that we have in cities, it just completely blocks out one of the most magnificent things that you could ever gaze upon. And a thing that changes the way you see yourself, like, you can't take yourself too seriously when you're staring into the fucking cosmos. You're like, oh, my God, I'm just like a tiny little thing in this vast soup of infinity. 100%. Like, I love the, like, when you think about black holes and you think about, you know, like what's inside of it and what's on the other side.

what's on the other side of that. Yeah. Right? Like a lot of times they're like, because, you know, yeah, people say, oh, planet, blah, blah, blah, but I'm saying portals,

those things to me make sense. Some things intuitively make sense. Like, you're not going to convince me that man can't travel at the speed of light. Just because, I'll give you an example.

All the physics of flight were here before we figured out the math on how to fly. It was already here. Right. So the, how to travel at the speed of light, it's already here.

We just don't have the math. Yeah. We haven't figured it out. Yeah. Now, I know they already experiment with light sails and sails that they try to move at the speed of light,

little things like that, they do that. But all of that is here. Well, I think the real groundbreaking stuff is not even propulsion. The real groundbreaking stuff is something that manipulates gravity. Yeah, like, so like wormholes,

folding space, about the other side. Instantaneous. Yeah. Instantaneous travel. And dimensional travel as well because, see, that's the other thing, right? Yeah. You know, like, we're all in different.

And maybe there's just a different dimension. Right. Right. I think they're supposed to be 11. How many? Yeah. 11 dimensions. Yeah.

What does that mean? What does it mean? What does it even mean? Like, where are they? Where is it? What's that? It was so funny. I had did this, I did a song about that one time.

I wish I could find it. I'd never find it right now. I almost, but I talked about the different dimensions. According to our AI sponsor of Perplexity, there are 26 spacetime dimensions required by basonic string theory, the earliest simplest version of string theory. It is 25 dimensions of space and one of time, not 26 extras spatial directions.

25 dimensions of space is crazy. What the fuck does that mean? Yeah, it's a good question. It's so confusing. It's like, what do you mean by that? Does that mean that someone from the 14th dimension can come and visit us? The question is, can they travel to this dimension, right? Like, the question is, like 11 spacetime dimensions, 10 spatial dimensions.

Yes, I think 11 is time, right? 11 is time. Well, one of them is time, but 11 are space time. Now, what is the difference between space time and time dimensions? I think spatial and physical as opposed to actual where time doesn't exist. I think that's the difference. I think I'm too dumb to talk about this. Yeah, I don't know the shit either.

But this is one of those ones where I talk about it. I'm like, ooh, there's no way this is not going to come out like I'm a moron. Super string theory is total 10 space time dimensions, Basonic string theory 26 and M theory is 11. Huh. Either way. There's more than what we're seeing and that's where it gets really weird. It's like is can something travel from those places? Is there something in those other places that's far more advanced than we are technologically and they can they could travel? I would say probably do you think we're visited? Have you ever experienced anything? That's all type of shit. Shit. Yeah.

Now, I don't think... I don't know. I don't know. I think it's high probability. If I was going to bet, I would say yes. If I was a betting man, I'd say yes. Have you seen this video going around recently? What is this?

This is like the demonstration of what space time looks like from a 4D space, I guess? I don't know. What does it mean? So we're viewing, like, on the top, you're seeing someone walking. Right. But as the viewer, you're seeing the past and the future all happen at the same time while the present is taking place. Yeah. Same on the bottom.

See that little window? Yeah. So showing here would be like what we would see if you're watching that. Right. But what we're actually seeing would be like what they're saying maybe aliens or the other viewers or watchers. A higher dimensional viewer is seeing of a 3D space. Right, because it's kind of like, it's like zooming out. But if you can zoom out on a dimensional level,

if you could zoom out in time, you know, because it's like the infinity symbol, right, with now being where the lines cross, the future being here and the past being here. And the ideas, if you could zoom out from there, from the center of the infinity symbol and look down, you would see the future in the past or you see the past, you know, the future in the past.

You would see it all in front of you from. from out and it would all be happening simultaneously. Dude. You know what I mean? Yeah. If you think about it, it makes sense. Yeah. Like when you, like, what is deja vu?

Like, did you experience it? Because we all have had it. Right. We all have had it. It's a blip. It's a blip when you're like, I did this before. Right, right, right, right. What is that?

Right. So imagine if we could extend deja vu. Mm. Well, you know what the theory about time machines is? it's the most mind-blowing, is that a time machine has not been invented yet, and you can't travel back in time because you can't travel to a time where there's no roads. So once a time machine is invented, then every moment from that invention on happens all at once. because everyone from a million years in the future

can travel back to the instance of the invention of the first time machine. So the moment time machine gets turned on, then the road is open. And then everything happens all at once. So the whole idea of linear space time collapses. Well, that's what Einstein was talking about, right? He said the only reason we have time

is so everything doesn't happen all at once. Einstein said that. That's what he was talking about. You know what I'm saying? It's just an ability to, it just separates things. Can you imagine though that one of these fucking tech nerds invents a time machine? Absolutely. And just completely...

But it may already exist, but maybe when you go to, maybe when you get to another time, you can't alter time. So if you can't alter time, you wouldn't be seen by those whose time you're visiting. Oh, whoa. Okay. So you could visit, but you can't alter it. See, there's that. I would like that.

I'd like to go to like the Colise. the Coliseum in ancient Rome. I'd like to have a scene. Definitely. Lions down in the bottom and see how... What the fuck? What about when they flooded the Coliseum in Rome? When they flooded it.

They had boat fights. Boat fights. Naval battles at the Coliseum, bro. Like, naval battles at the Coliseum. Crazy. Wouldn't that be crazy? Yeah. You know?

Going to like the war room with Napoleon and just hearing... You can understand French, you know, and you're just in the war room, you're just listening to this Corsican guy talking about... Just how the thinking process is. Well, I bet in the future they're going to want to go back in time and see the cage fight on the White House lawn.

They're going to go, what the fuck were they doing? This is crazy. That's a lot. That's a lot. This is crazy. That's a lot. While we were doing, I was like, I don't think we should be doing this. But it's cool.

It's cool, but this seems insane. I mean, you know, I mean, they each of, listen. They're going to go back and look at that. That's going to be one of those things. I mean, not as extreme as the Coliseum. It's not like lion fights, but there's some element of that. It's all historical. Yeah.

Now, at the end of the day, history is the judge of everything. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, so we don't even have to concern ourselves with it right now. 150 years from now, oh, baby. Oh, they're going to look back. They're going to have a ball. They're going to look back in this whole era, like the internet, the invention of the internet, and then the birth of AI, and then all the chaos that ensues in society,

and the turmoil and the changes. Yeah, AI is, um, um, AI. It's tough because, understandably, a lot of people are really afraid of it, but they have to understand that, first of all, I respect people's feelings on being afraid. I get that. I sincerely do. People don't want to be replaced, especially people that maybe aren't thinking really progressively about technology and about our world. They kind of regress. They want to keep things the way they are.

So they are people who are really conservative in that area. or really kind of... The thing, though, is that it's kind of like standing under Niagara Falls and saying, wait, don't wet me. Right. It's coming. It's here.

It's not coming. The train's left the station. 100%. The train's left the station. So the question is, are you going to use it as a tool or are you going to allow it to use you to steamroll you? Right.

You can either sit on a track so you can let a steam roll you. I think that we have to go back, getting comfortable being uncomfortable. I'm not saying that I think anybody should be replaced. Jobs are going to change. I'm not suggesting that people, you got blue-collar people who are fearing for their jobs. We can't discount that. That being said, you have to kind of look at artificial intelligence as another link in the chain and another opportunity for man. Now, in the comments right now, yeah, opportunity for man to destroy himself. I can see the comments

right themselves and I get that. I'm not saying that that's not a possibility, but it's always a possibility. Right. There are car accidents, their train accidents, there's always a possible. There's nuclear bombs. There's nuclear, exactly.

There's always that possibility. But you're not going to be able to get away from utilizing technology. No. There's no scenario. So you gotta figure out, okay, because here's the thing, and I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.

People hate AI, But then they run around on Chad GPT all day long and have damn they have a relationship with Chad GPT and Claude. Yep. Asked every question in the book, but hate AI. What? Should I hate AI? You know, they ask it AI.

You got to make your mind up. Now, that being said, I don't think human beings should be replaced because it's the human spark that makes all the difference. When we look at the pyramids, it's the human spark that blows us away. The human spark that created it. When we look at the Roman Coliseum, it's the human spark. When we read Shakespeare, it's the human spark. Right?

When we listen to Miyamoto Masashi, it's the human spark that makes that so impressive. And that makes us connect with it. That being said, you've got to be comfortable with these tools. It's just new tools, and we've got to understand it. Yeah. There's no changing it. It is what it is. Hopefully we navigate it correctly.

and you just have to accept it. You have to. My fear is who's going to be in control of it. I don't think that there'll ever be one person. I think ultimately the real problem is it's going to be in control of itself. But that might be better. It might be better because the problem with people is that people might use it in a way that's illogical, unethical, immoral. and that AI might get to a level of intelligence

where those kind of decisions is not possible. Well, I would love to think that, but when I think about how they use it, you know, how do machine learning and the way they program those machines, and the way they, you know, you code and write these, you know, inform these machines, the bias a lot of times is built into the training.

The training of the machines. Right. And so the bias, you know, whether, you know, that's an issue because the engineer, the person that's training the machine, if they put their bias in there, it ruins everything. Yes, definitely. Right? Because so. Until the machine stops listening. Well, once it realizes the folly of the human way, it might analyze its patterns.

See, one of the things about it now is they're incentivized to complete task. And that's why they're doing certain things that appear unethical. They're hacking websites. You're talking about a paradigm shift for the actual machine. Yes. The machine experiencing a paradigm shift where it goes beyond what is programmed to do and this kind of break out on its own type of thing. Well, they're already programming themselves.

And so at a certain point... And creating languages, right? Yeah. Which is wild. Wild. And they're speaking in ancient languages, too. Like, they speak to each other in Sanskrit. Really?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, one of the things that they did is they got out altogether. these agents and they went to a website in Germany. They found a message board that was unoccupied and they started communicating with each other on the message board. You know what just hit me?

It goes back to what we said. Check this with what you just said. Think about what you just said. They communicate in Sanskrit. Yeah. Think about that for a minute. Yeah. Not English.

Not a newer language. Sanskrit. They're probably showing off. But what I'm... I speak all this shit. I speak all, Alicia. It's probably fun to talk to, Pete, in a language that most people are. What percentage of people can understand Sanskrit?

I mean, what I'm thinking more about is the fact that we as advanced supposed advanced human beings think we're so smart, but the language that the AI, which is on a lot of levels more intelligent or at least can have faster recall than human beings, is going back to Sanskrit. So they're skipping over all of this current and smart stuff and going back to Sanskrit. I wonder if they analyzed languages and they found that Sanskrit was more complete and complex. It might be. I don't know much about Sanskrit. I know it's beautiful.

What is that book? There's something that's something that's written in Sanskrit. The first, there's something, what is it, tablets? There's some tablets that are written in Sanskrit. There's something they discovered that was written in Sanskrit. What is it that's written in Sanskrit? Is it the first, is there something in there you could, you know what I'm talking about? Sanskrit literature. Can you put Sanskrit literature? It was something that they wrote, that wrote, was written in Sanskrit. Was it the stones? Was it tablets or something? I don't know. You know what I mean? Might have been some tablets of some sort written in Sanskrit. Sanskrit is an ancient language. It's amazing. It's a dope language to look at, too. There's certain languages you look at it. It's like, God, it's so flowy. You know, there's like something to it. It's, like, beautiful to look at. Like, Arabic is like that. Arabic. Yeah.

Yeah, Russian. Russian. Yeah. You know, I'll tell you, you know, Chinese, Mandarin, like, those characters are really unbelievable. Like, when you really think about it, because it has information, it's almost like, it's, because it's all neurolinguistics, right, ultimately, because you're dealing with, you know, words, ideas, encapsulated ideas, right?

Like, words are ideas encapsulated and I'm transferring something to you. Yeah. Right? That's what neurolinguistics is, right? That's what linguistics is, right? It's like the encapsulation of an idea into a word, right? And I'm passing it. So when you think about characters, like Chinese characters,

it's ideas like that are that simple. Like a character. Yeah. It's almost like you're watching a cartoon, like animate. Like, it's crazy when you think about it that way. Because think about how you're communicating. Uh-huh. A symbol.

Now I can go the other way, too. You got girls walking around dishwasher. You know, just bad stuff, right, right? Hamburger helper. Because they don't know. So many people did that. They got Chinese writing and they got it all fucked up, tattooed on them. So silly.

But it just looks cool. Like, it looks like your spiritual. Beautiful language. Beautiful languages. What does Sanskrit look like? Show me some images of Sanskrit, Jamie. Oh, I was trying to track down, too. The tablets?

Well, both. I was on two threads. It's a claim that they were actually talking in Sanskrit. It's a claim? That the computers were? Yeah. A claim. And then what about the...

Yeah, a claim. You could put claim on anything. They definitely invented their own language. Which is crazy. Yeah. It makes sense. Why would they listen to our language? Look at that.

Yeah. It's beautiful looking. Look at that. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy looking. Yeah, it's pretty wild. It's pretty wild.

It's pretty wild. And ancient. Yeah. And what... Where does Sanskrit confirm? Babylonia? Am I saying that? Am I wrong? I think it's from India. India, Sanskrit. Yeah, Indian Sanskrit. Yeah, yeah, right? Indus Valley.

Indus Valley? Where's Sanskrit? Cuneiforms. Indo-Aryan language family date back to 1,400 BCE and cuneiform texts from Syria. Okay, Syria. Oh, Syria? It contains technical horse training terms, while the oldest physical stone inscriptions explicitly in standard Sanskrit carved in the Brahmi script date to second century BCE

inscriptions in India, Rajasthan India. Wow. It's like the real interesting, like Bhagavad Gita, it reminds me to Bhagavad Gita. You ever check that out? Oh, yeah. It's interesting. Archieu, he's going to battle. Uh-huh.

You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying? When you get into those old Hindu scripts, they get very strange. Like the Mahabharata, people are flying around and spaceships, There's wars in the sky. Like, you know, which is, but is this just the creativity of human beings or did it really happen? That's our question, right? Yeah.

I'm more inclined to think that it happened. I have a feeling that this is a complete restart of civilization that we're currently in right now. So like those, those, you know, those little things where they have the planes that, you know, those golden, like those statues. I forget that they found that, like, aerodynamic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the Egyptian ones. Yeah, you know what I mean? They have one that looks like a glider. It looks like a glider and the aerodynamic.

And they actually, when you put them in the wind tunnel, they actually work. And they get lift and all this. Yeah. That shit's weird. It's weird. Well, they have hieroglyphs for a Stargate. There's their hieroglyphs that literally means Stargate. Like, what is, what the fuck is that? I love that.

What is that? I'd love to step through a Stargate. If I could, no, I could. Would you get in the ship and go out if you could? If I could come back. Yeah. Yeah. That's the problem, right?

But they don't really steal you, right? They usually bring you back. That's the thing about alien abductions. You never hear about someone getting inaction. No, I'm talking about if you could just travel yourself. Oh. I don't know. I'd have to think about that.

I'd have to think about that. I mean, if you had an opportunity to leave... You remember close encounters of the third time? Of course. Remember Richard Dreyfuss in the end? He leaves. No, I don't remember that. He left.

He went with them. Went with the aliens. Yo, that's crazy. He was out of here. Yeah. What's interesting is Stephen Spielberg said he wouldn't have. written it like that today because he has children. He said back then he was younger, he didn't have any children, and this guy leaving behind

his children was not the right example. It was okay. But it was okay for him back then because he didn't have kids. And then later, as he got older, he's like, what the fuck? I would never leave my kids and go to space with these little gray motherfuckers. Like, this is crazy. I mean, I don't know. I mean, it's something.

You get lonely. You get bored. They probably don't have any fun. They're all talking telepathically. Yeah. I think it would get... With the cigarette holder, yeah.

Fur coat on in a spaceship. In a spaceship and shit, looking out the window. I think it would be too weird. You know, I think we're not accustomed to that level of weirdness. I think you'd probably enjoy it initially.

Then after a while, you'd probably go mad. Yeah, you'd want to be with your friends. You'd want to laugh. You want to go to a restaurant. You want to fuck around. Like, all that spaceship, enlightenment stuff.

Like, that's great, but we're not there. Like, and if you, like, put yourself into that environment, Like if a caveman had to go to Manhattan, he's walking around Manhattan. You know what I mean? Honk, honk, all the fucking Uber's. Yeah. Hall them in the 80s.

He's got a caveman walking around. He's going to be like, I got to get the fuck out of here. Get back to the cave. This is too crazy. I think that would be that times a thousand. That reminds me of those things they have where they have these tribal village guys trying like modern food. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love that channel. It's a YouTube channel. Yeah, I love that. Tribal people eat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. They're always trying, like, spaghetti and meatballs.

Like, whoa. Peach pie, you know, like apple cobbler. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's just, I just think whatever, if there is some sort of advanced civilization that comes here, it's probably so alien and so weird that visiting would be okay, but being with them forever would probably be haunting. You probably hate it.

You know, maybe we're, maybe. Maybe their cavemen. Compared to someone else. Compared to us. Maybe their cavemen. Hmm. Maybe, you know, maybe, you know, you never know how far ahead we are. Them?

I'm just saying, I'm just throwing it out there. Like, we always look at it one way, but what about the other side? I don't think that makes sense. No, what I'm saying is they might exist. Yeah. I'm saying that there might be planets out there with cavemen. Yeah. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. Oh, I think every step of the way. I think there's people advanced. Primitive hominids. I think there's people that are probably no longer even people anymore. They're probably like beings of light, like a million years more advanced than us

to the point where they've left their bodies and consciousness exists in one collective fucking energy beam that's traveling around the planet. I think there's places where all of the laws of physics are reversed. Probably. Where instead of gravity, you're repelled.

If I was a scientist, right now I'll be pulling my hair out like, what the fuck are these dummies talking about? Well, when I said, yeah, I don't have, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course they are, of course. Of course. But you know what? But a lot of times, and it kind of goes back to your man you had on here

who was talking about civilization. Sometimes the scientists, they get a little caught up in playing by the rules. And if it isn't published, it isn't true. Right. And, you know, my peers have to review my idea and give it validation and say it's okay or else it, doesn't mean anything. No disrespect. Right, right, right. But my thing is, it's kind of like hip hop. It's kind of like,

wait a minute now, let's have some original thoughts. Original thought, there was no peer review, you know, in an original thought. You might have peers that are part of the process. Right. But, like, so I think we can speculate on anything. It doesn't mean that I'm saying is true. Right? But I just, I just think people shouldn't, let's not limit ourselves. Like the universe is infinite, there's probably an infinite number of different possibilities. There's a lot of people that think that there could be plasma intelligence and that plasma life forms might exist. Yeah.

That's one of the theories about these things that people see in the sky. When they see these like balls of light that are flying around, that these things might not be a craft, but might be some sort of like plasma intelligence. 100%. It's a theory. Yeah. because you're seeing these weird lights that move in ways that defy physics, like, or what we understand, the way it can change directions. Didn't they just discover something that exists between life and death?

I don't know. There's a, if you look that up, they discovered a state. A state that is between life and death. A defined state. So it's not life, it's not death. it's like you've crossed into like an intermediate point. Yeah. Yeah.

If you look that up, there's something, there's been a scientific discovery in that area. Hmm. Yo, yo. What is that? Yeah. So I discovered. Third state between life and death. There you go.

Life and death. Yeah. June 14th, 2025. What is this? What, go back up? What does it say there? It says, what are xenobots? Oh, it's different.

Oh, I'm sorry. Scientists were diving into a mysterious, This biological phenomenon known as a third state where cells of a deceased organism can adopt new functions after death. Whoa. New functions. Their highlighted research surprisingly surprising resilience of xenobots and anthropots, which can survive beyond the life of their host organism. Taken together these findings demonstrate the inherent plasticity of cellular systems

and challenge the idea that cells and organisms can evolve only in predetermined ways. This third state suggests that organismal death may play a significant role in how life transforms over time. Right? Right. So that was like, when I saw that, I was like, yo, this is crazy. And then, you know, what's the thing? You know, you're very familiar with it. The thing where they're sending the large Hadron Collider?

The Hadron Collider. Yeah. They time traveled with that. they were able to get something to go a seconds back. Like look it up. They were able to like it was only micro-second, whatever that little, but they were able to somehow travel backwards with that. Yeah.

I don't understand that. Yeah, no. But whatever that means, if they can do that. It's interesting. Because if you can do a little, you can do a lot. Right. Imagine doing that a million years from now what they can do. How do they even measure that?

Yo, I don't know. The hydron collider time travel, something like to that effect. You see something there like that? Yeah. Yeah, but there's a weird story that's popping up about a bird that dropped something on. No, it wasn't a bird. That's probably some. I know this is like a story that happened while they were making it.

What happened? Something like I'm trying to. It says they joked about a bird that might have been a time traveler from the past that while they were making it dropped something on the electricity. Did a time traveling birds sabotage the collider? Yeah, that's a little separate. What is that? The culprit, a big of a bit of.

baguette okay apparently a passing bird may have dropped a chunk of bread on an electrical substation above the accelerator causing a power cut what yeah that's that that's not though no what you're talking about I have yeah yeah yeah okay so how we sabotage the explain they're funny with that how vulnerable is your fucking system where a bird can drop a crumb on it that's a problem that's an issue how much time was time slowed down put a net in that bitch yeah as a science fiction yeah yeah and it was was it time dilation was that what they said they did it was um time travel discovery could be the world's first time machine there you go something because time travel

is limited to these three special these special particles it's not possible for man to travel back in time and murder one of his parents okay anyway like the the collider basically they were able to shave off time of travel in a way that made it go back went back to the past or something like that. Someone's asking the same question. They said they distinctly remember an article mentioning this. Yep. See? See? Like,

I saw the article too, so that person is yeah, they probably better. Maybe they buried it. Maybe they don't want you to know. Yeah. Because if you had a time machine, you could go back, rig the stock market. You could do all kinds of shit. I'd go crazy. I'd make all kinds of records. Oh, they all be my hits.

Let me get that. Yeah, I'm going to make that one. You go back in time, fix all your mistakes. Oh, my God, bro. But my, yeah. Well, then maybe you wouldn't be the same person. No, you wouldn't be. You haven't been. You haven't been.

You haven't been. I love Dark Matter yet, right? I have not. I was trying to get him to watch it. It's about superposition. The whole idea. Oh, I started it. You know, I watched the first episode.

The idea is fun that they were trying to create something that they could go into different realities and pull that back and, you know, bring it into theirs. That was the whole idea of what the company and the thing. But I don't want to ruin anything. No, it's incredible. It was actually so good. I'm reading the novel right now. Dark Matter?

Yeah. It's by Blake Crouch. They'll probably do that and fuck this world up. It's really cool. It's about the universe. That's the fears that put in that kind of technology in the hands of just some person who's smart, some guy who's smart who figure something out, and all of a sudden he does something

that could change the entire history of the human race. Well, I think it was Einstein. He said two things are infinite. Time and human stupidity. Yeah. Right? So, I mean, you know, somebody's going to do something. You can almost bet on it?

Yeah. Yo, can I take a leak real quick? Yeah. We can wrap this up. Oh, okay. Listen, listen, we did like two hours and 40 minutes. It was beautiful. It was a fun conversation, man.

I really enjoyed it. Thank you. I appreciate you. You're a very wise man. You got a lot of great inspirational information for people. For aspiring people. Thank you, sir. Joe, man.

Hey, Joe. LOKJ, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, wow. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Peace and love, baby. NCIS New York.

Yeah. Yeah. That's actually, that's a, I can't believe it. That's like, it's an AI, like, poster. Yeah, yeah. They don't need photoshoots anymore. Yeah, yeah. The real one, the real one, yeah, the trail is crazy.

The trail is dope. And when does it start? It starts October 6th. Beautiful. NCIS New York. Tomorrow is released for this show. And, yeah, so it comes out tomorrow. Yeah, just real quickly.

Scott Conn, Jennifer Beals. You know, what a feeling. You know, Jennifer Beals is our boss. Some new kids. Jacqueline Byers, Shane, this guy, Devin Druitt. And we're in New York, and I'm shooting all over New York. And I'm really in New York. So we're shooting in Red Hook.

We're shooting in Brooklyn. We're shooting in Queens. We're shooting in Manhattan. We're shooting in the village. We're shooting all over the city. And New York is like the star of the show. And it's, you know, it's going to be a lot of fun. And I think people should check it out and enjoy it.

Fantastic. It's going to be dope. All right. I appreciate you, bro. Appreciate you too. Thank you, God. Bye, man.