The Joe Rogan Experience - #2563 - Dan Richards

Episode Date: October 8, 2026

Dan Richards is an independent researcher whose YouTube channel, "DeDunking the Past," examines lost civilizations and alternative history.www.youtube.com/@DeDunkingwww.patreon.com/DeDunking Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get 30% off + 2 free gifts at https://ARMRA.com/rogan This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Danny. Hey, Joe. Good to see you, brother. Good to see you, good, man. So right off the bat, you hand me this Smithsonian pamphlet.

It's like a very small book on Peruvian elongated skulls, including, like, diagrams. Yeah, not Peruvian. These are from the Pacific Northwest. Oh. From Washington. This is one of the things where I wanted to really bring up to you. the majority of the elongated schools in recorded history are from Washington State. What?

Yeah. Now, are these manipulated schools? Yes, sir. They were manipulated by people. As a matter of fact, when Lewis and Clark reached the Columbia River, they passed the Cascade Mountains. All of the Native Americans west of the Cascades had artificially modified schools. Look at the title of the book. The Chinook Sign of Freedom.

If you didn't have an artificially modified school, you were a slave. Wow, the Chinook sign of freedom, a study, the skulls, the famous chief, how do he say his name? Concomley. Concomely. And he was, he was, he met with Lewis and Clark during the, during their expedition. And he was as famous as Sacagawea was 100 years ago. But he's just disappeared. He had an artificially elongated squawai, a bunch of images talk about it.

He attributed his intellect to his own. artificially elongated school. What? Yeah. They believed... How would you know, though? They don't. They did it when you were a baby.

Exactly. But that's what they all believed. And there is actually something, too. This is one of the things that's really interesting that I've stumbled on is, you know, Neanderthal, if you look at the difference between the Neanderthal brain case and a human brain case is a huge difference. I have an image, if you don't mind, Jamie. You can throw it up there if you don't care.

But it's all in the back. It's like there's a thing. called Chiari Malformation Type 1 where the base of your cerebellum falls into your spinal cord and it causes migraines and all kinds of stuff and scientists now are saying that it probably came from us

and Neanderthal brain case skull not quite fitting and if you think about it actually makes a lot of sense right I mean the Neanderthal skulls way wide in the back and that's where all of your motor skills you're smelling you're seeing you're hearing yeah they were more primitive they're probably

super athletes and that the real The weird question is, like, were they smart and how smart were they? Like, their frontal lobe is not as big as ours, correct? Correct. And that's where all the thought processing and decision making comes from. So they probably had insane athletic ability. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And motor skills and visual ability?

The visual ability is important because look at the size of their eye sockets. Now, imagine if you wanted the best of both worlds. So you were breeding these two species together. Look at the jaw on that motherfucker. Imagine trying to knock that guy out. Forget about it. They had chests like barrels, too. Right.

They all look like you do naturally. They don't have to lift. They're just that way. They probably look a lot more impressive than me. Well, the guy on the left, he looked like me naturally. I mean, do you remember that one? I think it's just nonsense. But there's just one guy who proposed the idea of Neanderthals being,

like gorilla looking, like super predators. Mm-hmm. And he thought that the eyes were bigger so they could see at night. And he had like this crazy, but it was very... That they were eating us all, yes. Right, right, right, right. Very sensationalist nonsense.

And the genetic evidence is, you know... Yeah, that guy. Yes. It's fucking dope, though. It is cool. I love it. Seeing the dark, you know, like primate lives in the woods and was like infinitely stronger than us.

Like you just rip our arms, right? Like gorilla strong. But not smart enough that you could like, Hey man, can you please? No, no, no, no, no. He's just going to eat you. Oddly enough, has a skull that has a larger capacity than us. And so then we have to think, okay, is it just motor skills?

Like, do we, what do we know about the brains of dolphins? Well, we know that their brain capacity that's quite a bit larger. Like, I think their cerebral cortex, I think, is like 40% larger than a person's. Yeah, something like that. So what is that? Like, what's going on with them? Like, how are they? They so much more intelligent than us, but they just can't manipulate their environment, so we ignore it.

Well, that could be a, also it could be a degree of chemistry that they can't, you know, I mean, you can't do fire and underwater, really. So you're kind of stuck with your technological stuff. There's no manipulation, right? So all of their intellect must go into other areas. Social and hunting. But then you find out how horrible they are to each other. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like the infanticide, you know, like dolphins, female dolphins. are very promiscuous. And the reason why they're promiscuous is because if the male doesn't know if the cubs are his or not, if he thinks they might be his, he's not going to kill the cubs. But if a female has cubs,

the male will kill the cubs so that the female will breed again. It's like, hey, I thought you guys were like the super peaceful fucking smart ones. Sounds like kind of like us. Well, I don't know a lot of guys who are killing babies

so the women will breed again. But it gets close. Chimpanzees do it. Do they do that? Yeah, they do that kind of stuff. Bears do that. Yeah, it's... Bears do two things, they think.

They think, one, they eat cubs to force the female into breeding again, but two, they think they just do it for food. It's just dark. That's, yeah, that's arachnid levels of dark, right? Cannibalism is dark. Always. And bears are all cannibals. And this is the thing about people in the amphroforms.

Amphorification, is that the word? Anthropomorphification. Anthropomorification. I want to say pro, but it's poe, right? Anthropomorph? Anthropomor. Yeah, I think you're right. Whatever it is.

People humanizing animals. The weirdest one, I think, is bears. And, like, you can train bears. There's bears at the circus. They're an interesting animal. But in the wild, they are some of the fucking most brutal and ruthless creatures. It's basically almost like a giant wild dog. You know, and they tear things apart and they eat things while they're still alive

They're fucking they don't care they're fucking horrible they're horrible to each other They go into dens and pull out cubs and eat them I mean I Yeah just different a different set of morality I guess you could say or lack thereof But yeah I'm glad I'm not a bear because I'd probably have been eating as a cub or you would have been hit by car or have been hit by car That's the rough one we're caught in a trap and trained to be a Dancing ballerina bear some shit stand on a ball. The ancient humans, though, to me are like, I feel like this is an emerging topic. Even though we've known about Neanderthals for so long, now that they know about Denisovans, now that they know about homo Florian.

How do you say that, Florianysis? Yeah, that one? Pronunciationian. I'm pronunciation. Island of Flores, man, the Hobbit people. Now they know, okay, we've got two very distinct human beings that lived with humans that aren't homo savages. And the Denisovans one, it's fucking super weird. They're big.

They're big. They were taller than us. Then they bigger heads, like very almost like Neanderthal. There's some of the stuff that I got for to talk about here is like polydactyl. Multiple fingers and more than five fingers and toes on each. That's in the Bible. They talk about the giant. Yes.

Polydactylie, if there's a gene GI, could you pull up the one that says polydactyl paper, please? Thank you. They've been studying this, and there's a gene that Neanderthal and Denisovans had, a variant that increases polydactyl. It increases cranial deformations. It increases a bunch of stuff. This is, I mean, and this is, and this is all newer stuff. You see, that's 2023. And this is huge.

I saw your video on this where you talked about there's one family in Brazil that has, like most of their family members have six fingers and six toes. Yeah, they say it helps them. Of course. Of course. I can grab the ball better. I can play an extra string, right?

Right. Imagine guitar, extra finger? That's nuts. You could even be an ugly dude and seduce a woman when you got an extra finger. Good luck. Chicks don't want to have kids

with a guy who has fucking six fingers. I'm some freak kid. In South America, they actually honored that stuff. Of course. They honored genetic deformation. I honestly believe that they were actively breeding different bloodlines together in South America. Look that baby.

That's crazy. It is. It's got five fingers and a thumb. That's crazy. I mean, the thing is they look absolutely normal in every other way, except the fact that they have five fingers instead of four. Like, and it would take you a few seconds. It's almost like you're living in the Matrix, and this is like an AI glitch. You know, like AI glitches, they would have people that have like additional appendages, like a weird

elbow growing off your elbow, you know, because it just glitched. The clat walks by the butt. Yeah. Like, you would take you a while before you, like, imagine if you were high and you went over this lady's house and you saw her playing piano. And you're like, wait a minute, why is there so many noises? Slow down with the noise. How do you have so many fingers?

Wait a way, you have extra fingers? Like, this dude had a special gloves made. He must be a motherfucker of a goalie. Oh, of course. Right? It's the greatest skill for goalies. Yeah, but I'll watch your space, but sure. More space.

You cover it up. Definitely better if you can teach you about a punch. You have a whole other finger that the width of the hands would be greater, the weight of the hands would be greater. Yeah, the guitar players say it's not the extra finger as much as it is the extra stretch, the extra reach that lets them pop a couple extra press down. Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense, especially like long fingers.

Oh, the guitar is still made for a five-fingered player, right? So, yeah, it's not. Well, you can figure out how to do it at six. Look what Hendricks did. He flipped his guitar, upside down, played it left-handed. Like Stevie Ray Vaughn, a local hero, right? Right? Yeah.

Turn that thing and stand. You've seen the live at El Macombra one where he takes his like $15,000 stratacaster, stands on the horns and he's rocking the neck back and forth. Whoa. Pops the string, just fuck your pick, not even care. Just go. Wow. It's not an instrument.

It's a damn toy. It's a tool. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I got gush about that guy for a bit. I like Stevie. He's pretty good. We have posters or photos of him from when he was on stage at the club way before we owned it.

Oh, really? Yeah. He was on that stage in like the 80s. Oh, wow. I think the picture's from 83. Yeah, I popped into Antones a couple of times to just smell the air. Yeah. Antones is dope.

That's a great place. I've seen Gary before. Gary Clark Jr. performed there a few times. It's fucking sick. Yeah. I haven't got to watch a show there every time I'm in town. It was up to no good. But I'm going to have to catch a show there one of these nights.

Yeah, we did it and everybody got COVID. The whole crew, everyone backstage got COVID. Really? Yeah, one of their guys had COVID after the show. It was like during the full lockdown. And they had a concert. And I was like, I can't believe we're at a concert. And then we went backstage.

We're hanging out in the green room. And then everybody got COVID. Fuck, I am not a fan. Yeah, except me. I didn't get it. Oh, it's because you were, you know, it's funny. I was something that I wanted to talk about on this anyway, so we may as well get into it now is the COVID thing. You know, they weaponized scientific literacy when they said trust of science on the jab.

There's a lot of things worth talking about, but the whole war on science, like I keep called, I get called a science denier a lot. Fuck that. I'm a science gatekeeper. You don't get to call it science if it ain't science. You stop at the door. Science is a method. It's a way we get somewhere. it's not the end result.

Carl Sagan said, science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe. The average time for a peer review for a test on a vaccine is about 10 years. You crank it out in a year and a half. You haven't followed the proper fucking steps.

You haven't done science. I'm not a science denier. I'm not, I just do it right and come back. Right. It's not a coincidence that there was so much money involved. We're not stupid. No.

We know why it wasn't done because there was no other methods to treat this disease. That's ridiculous. It's not true. And that's why they got so mad at me. That's where I was going to go with it. Your doctor, they threw your personal physicians under the bus, and I don't know anything about that except for that I can't extrapolate.

I can guess and say that the guy that your personal physicians probably wants to keep that job probably doesn't want to see you croak from COVID. I mean, I could be wrong. But, you know, it seemed really just ridiculous that it was like, oh, they just pushing a bunch of pseudoscient. It's bullshit. That you could look at it that way. And, you know, everyone was scared and it's not their fault that they, you know, they were presented with this pandemic that caused people a lot of anxiety.

But it was shocking to me was how few people were willing to say, what did that guy do? Instead of saying, oh, my God, you're anti-science. You're promoting vaccine hesitancy. You didn't get vaccinated and you survived COVID. And you're telling everybody how you did it. This is anti-science. It's like, but it happened. Instead they told you were using a horse dewormer.

Right. Well, that was completely insane. That's just proof of propaganda. But even without that proof of propaganda, you also have this thing. Like if we are all trying to get through something and you see someone who is a very public person, I'm online all the time that have millions of subscribers, right? So I'm very scrutinized. And everyone knows that I work out all the time.

Everyone knows I take vitamins. I talk about it all the time. cold plunges and fucking hyperbaric chambers and all this different shit, why wouldn't they say, oh, apparently if you're really healthy and you do these things and for maybe whatever reason you can't get vaccinated, this works too. There was never even a consideration, right? Even let's assume the vaccine worked, which didn't, which assumed that it prevented infection, which it didn't, prevented transmission, which it didn't, and didn't have any side effects.

which is certainly not true. So let's just let's pretend it did. Even then you have people that are allergic to some of the ingredients in the vaccine, right? Aaron Rogers was one of them. And so if you tell those people, hey, I understand that this medicine that works you can't take, but here is a guy who did something different and was fine. Like this is okay too. Instead they shut all that down.

Demonitized people, shows channels down. It was bad. It was interesting. It was interesting. It's, you know, it's funny watching it from hindsight because we can look at it now and see where, you know, everything's kind of settled afterwards to a degree. But even still, like, for example, the Fauci hearings, nobody who was a big supporter of his that I know personally knew about that until I told him about it. It was like it just didn't show up in their fucking radar. They don't want to know about it.

Of course not. I mean, nobody wants to think that they were completely wrong about that, you know. Yeah. And that was one of the things they did whip everybody up into a fury. Yeah. Look, when you were wrong about something, you got to say, well, I was wrong about that for sure. That's really, honestly, part and parcel, not just to being an honest person, but like especially if you're in science. Yes.

You know, like your boy, your favorite archaeologist who's not a scientist, that Flint Dibble guy, he recently did a thing where he was making fun of me and he's like, pulls up this thing talking about Easter Island and how Easter Island's earliest habit. layer has food stuffs from South America and Asia. So, like, as far back as people were hitting Easter Island that we're aware of, they were hitting both of these continents, a thousand years ago. So I've mentioned this. Flint clips out, he's like, this is bullshit. Dan's confidently wrong. He's fully shit.

Five minutes later in this live stream, he catches that that is accurate. Well, actually, there is evidence of contact between the two, but he never mentions that it was on Easter Island. He saves his face rather than any, I mean, that's not like a big surprise thing. But the point is that if you're... This episode is brought to you by Armora. Every week there's some new wellness hack that people swear by. And after a while, you start thinking,

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If you want to try, Armora is offering my listeners 30% off plus two free gifts. Go to armora.com slash Rogan. This is what I also think. I think there's all this personal stuff that goes on with these people that is so completely unnecessary. And I think the only reason why archaeologists get dismissed by these whatever you would call yourself, amateur. Interested amateurs in all things life and looking at these, looking at the data and looking at the science of it.

And you're really good at it. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. That should be an asset. That's all that should be. That should be an asset to the archaeologists. And if you think they're wrong about something, you should talk to them. Now I think when he had that conversation with Graham, I think that's the right way to do it.

I don't think necessarily he did it in good faith. And I think he wanted to, you know, push a certain narrative. And one of the narratives was the thing that disturbed me the most is he was trying to label Graham as racist for proposing these theories that there's an advanced civilization that existed before the one that we currently see. Yeah. I don't think that can be racist. It's human beings. It's not just human beings. It's human beings specifically that live in the very area where those human beings live.

So it's their ancestors. So the ancestors of Africans are the ones who built the pyramids, right? Whoever the fuck they were, whether they were the people of 2,500 BC or whether it was even earlier than that, whatever it was. It was the people that live right there. The same people. So this is crazy. Well, the whole thing is. This is what's really funny.

Atlantis. Well, they say, you assume that Atlanteans were white. Ergo, it's only the brown people buildings that you ask questions about. You're not asking questions about the Coliseum. It's like, okay, well, the Coliseum has written records. So I know why the Coliseum was built, when it was built, the Parthenon, same thing. But you know what I don't know about? that was built by white people supposedly

Balbeck. Balbeck was supposedly built by Romans. We're all doing it there too. It has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with written records. They ignore this. One of my favorite things to throw out of it with that. And Balbeck has no written records of the... Not of the Trilophon. Of the big stuff. Exactly. And how do you not write that down?

You've done everything. Everything. The Romans wrote everything down. They had scribes. Their job was to document everything. They were very concentrated on history. Yeah. Yeah. We went off about this when me and Jimmy Corsetti were here. Yes.

But talking about like the Roman foot. Well, if Jimmy's right, Atlantis was in sub-Saharan Africa. It's Africans. Well, I think honestly that I think Atlantis is kind of a catch-all term for a lost civilization that was globe spanning. Yeah. And like they would call us 10,000 years from now, they would just lump us in with a damn French and call us the electronic civilization. And with the exception of GSP, I don't want to be associated with a damn French. No.

There's a lot of dope French people. I love Montreal. I love it up there. GSP is going to be at that event. Oh, is he? Yes. He's the best. I love that he's doing a podcast.

He's a very fascinated guy. He's fascinated and curious about so many things. And he's kind and he's open-minded and he's really intelligent. He is so odd. Like when people meet him and I go, do you know who that is? And they go, no. He's like a really nice guy. That is one of the greatest cage fighters that ever lived.

They're like, no way. I go one of the all-time greats, if not the all-time grade. I think John Jones is an all-time grade. But I think he's in the conversation. George is in the conversation of one of the greatest that's ever done it. Meanwhile, he's the sweetest, nicest guy. Dude, I made a comment once to him on Instagram where he was like doing these leg workouts. And I was like, my legs will never look like that because I'm sitting on a computer all day smoking weed and reading.

And he goes, I trade my legs for your brain any day. And I'm just like, what the fuck off. Your legs have made you millions. What the hell are you talking about, boy? Well, everybody wants what they don't have, you know. He's going to have me on his pod here on the 17th, too. Oh, cool. He's going to be here the 16th through 18th or that thing at the A.C.

Yeah, tell everybody this thing that you're doing. Here at the Quest for Ancient Civilizations Conference, October 16th through 18th at the ACL Live here in Austin, Texas. It would be me, Randall Carlson. Baseforge, you just had him on here, Bass Forge. and a few other guys yeah this thing see the other AI generated a homage dude in the middle there

look at all the pseudoscience on one picture I love it oh man yeah we're we're just like Duncan it's gonna be like Duncan at all that's like Duncan on TRT but Curtin Duncan are gonna be there the mystery boys those guys will be those guys are always

You hear Randall Carson has a rap song out now yes yes I'm not Randall I'm sorry Billy Carlson Oh Randall I didn't know what he released They could put one out together. Randall has a rap. My brain got scrambled. Randall is a rap song?

When we were in Sedone, Arizona, he and him were sharing an Airbnb, and he wrote it in like the late 80s. He was spitting bars at me over breakfast. I was just going, God, fucking damn, this was not on my bingo card. Whoa. Randallson rapping at me for breakfast.

Carlson is a hip-hop head? From the late 80s. How do I not know that? I've known that guy for fucking not years. I should look it up or not. Poor James pulled the fuck away over here. Randallson hip-hip, please. Put that into perplexity.

Ask our AI sponsor perplexity what Randall Carlson's history and hip-hop is. That would be dope watching fucking Santa Claus spitting bars like that. I'm telling you, man, I was still drinking coffee in Norse in my morning bowl, and I was like, well, holy shit. And this is the real world? Yeah, crazy. But yeah, that's going to be a fun thing. GSP's going to be there now that he just got officially 100% confirmed about an hour ago. That's fantastic.

But, yeah, that's going to be a lot of fun. But I would be talking a lot of... Tickets are available for that. You can get them online. Yeah, tickets are available. You can get them online. The Quest for Ancient Civilization, thanks. Quest for Ancient Civilizations, if you go to my YouTube, there'll be stuff on there.

Yeah, if you look for Quest for Ancient Civilizations, you will have no trouble finding. So this conference, available online, people can get tickets. Looks like a dope lineup. And it's all the stuff that I love to talk about. Yeah. I jokingly called it the Rogan Trinity when we got GSP. We've got the pyramids, we've got the comedy, we've got the ass whooping. We've got all three.

So these people, let's go back to this Smithsonian thing, these people with their altered heads. Is it your suspicion that they were altering their heads to try to appear like people that were already here? Like the Peruvian skulls? No, before I thought. Oh, go ahead. Before I thought that. But because like there's skulls in China that were originally mistaken for crow magnet and Neanderthal and stuff. like old and now they say they're artificially modified by people.

But no, I think, could you pull up the image for Chiari malformation? It's got two heads with one circle, like two cat scans. Well, I was talking about the brain falling down into the thing. They believe that this is a problem from Neanderthal and or Denisov and mingling with us. Right. Skull too small, brain too big. So now if you have this consistent problem, you've got to always got pressure on the brain. See how it pops down there?

You've always got this pressure on the brain. Now imagine if you You might drill holes in your head Like you've seen all the truncation that's happened down there There's an image of that Yeah Then or you might elongate the back of the skull Every generation

So that your kids don't have the same fucking headaches Grandpa did And so it becomes a thing And this is why if you check out South America Paracas is insane this way They have so many things The polydactyl the elongated skulls The treffination, there's a thing, could you pull up the Inca bone one?

Well, your skulls melt, the plates in the skull melt in the back. If there is stress or a lack of equilibrium, you'll end up what they call fermian bones. Ones in the back, or wormy in bones, the ones in the back are so pronounced. These are called Inca bones, because they happen mostly in Inca territory. You also see at Easter Island, the Pacific Northwest, and in Asia. But this part of the skull right there, there's one that's got a, Neanderthal that shows this too. Neanderthals have this same issue. There's another one and there's an island. Oh, Jesus.

But yeah, the, sorry, there's, yeah, there's one. Checking my own head right now. There's one with white text at the bottom, Jamie. Sorry. But yeah, Neanderthal had it. And it's a, again, it's from a lack of equilibrium. They say it's from the brain and the skull not quite fitting. That makes sense. I think in South America, I think that they were mingling different bloodlines.

the same as you can look at a guy that plays Reacher and tell that he's probably got more Neanderthal in him than I do. And they would mingle these bloodlines and then they would get all kinds of different. Yeah, there's a Neanderthal one. They would get all kinds of different genetic variations. And I think some of these were bad, but some of them were honored. Like you've seen the Jaguar people of the Olmec. Okay. Did you ever seen, could you pull up the dental dysplasia one, the kid with the two fangs?

There's dental things. It'll make you grow fangs. as a child. And it also quite often will give you a hair lip. Jaguar? Whoa. And so, like, if you look, yeah. And so, like...

What do you think that's from? Again, this is from... Is that some ancient shit where people used to have teeth like that? It's DNA. Again, when we cross-mingle DNA, there should be one right there about the mouths with the paper. Sorry, I'll have to pull up to that title.

Right, but those teeth, It's not in any other human primate that we've ever found. No, it happens in ours. So it's just a malformation. A malformation. We have a lot of that, like some people just keep growing teeth, right? Right. Or you get different bones in the head, different shapes of the skull.

I've seen the skulls, ancient skulls, with rows of teeth. Yeah, yeah. Some of those, like, they don't know for sure how many of those are legit, but there's definitely no question. that these things happen. That's, again, with the real problem with this, it becomes a cover-up. Like, a little bit ago I mentioned that they were all these elongated schools in the Pacific Northwest. Mount Coffin in Longview, Washington, when Colonel Charles Wilkes, or Lieutenant Charles Wilkes, whose father happened to be a member of the Skull and Bone Society in England, when he got to Longview, Washington, he saw Mount Coffin, this place where they had these

above-ground burials, and there were 3,000 of them, all of them, supposed to. supposedly would have had elongated skulls because, again, if you don't have an elongated skull in that neck of the woods, you weren't a freeborn person. And this was, you had to be noble to be buried there. It's 3,000 elongated skulls. When he left, this campfire actually burnt the place down. All those skulls disappeared. Now, that image that Jimmy skipped past a little bit goes, just a dude sitting on a pile of bones. This is an Indian burial ground that they were just looting the things and selling them left and right.

Where do you think those things are? In people's hands. Well, I've never heard of a story of a person having an elongated skull in their private collection. I have a couple of people that have commented on my videos saying, like, I saw one at so-and-so's house in 1978, but I'll give you the smoking gun. It makes sense, though, right? If you're like some Rockefeller-type guy, you got a mansion in Rhode Island. It's funny, you brought up Rockefeller in the 30s when Tello down in Paracas. He starts putting out, hey, we've got these elongated skulls down there, and I need money.

He was getting $300 a year to take care of him. Rockefeller gets wind and history says flat out. He took an unexpected trip to Peru. He dropped three grand and walked back with four bundles. Now, according to... That's it. Three grand? Yeah, and four grave bundles.

That's ten times what Tello was getting a year. Ten times what the guy was getting a year to take care of all of them. He coughs up four out of like 300 bundles. Now, those four bundles were supposedly displayed at the Met, supposedly displayed at the National History Museum in New York. No photos exist. No drawings exist. They may have been...

repatriated. They may not have been repatriated. It depends on who you ask. The AI will run you in a damn circle of going with it. At the end of the day, we don't know which four they, what they look like, but I can tell you this much. There's about 300 of those bundles to pick from. Do you think Rockefeller, if one of them had great big old devil horns and a third eye, do you think Rockefeller left it or took it with him? Did fucking no-brainer shit, right? So the best of the best, always gone. And as soon, when Rockefeller found out that he couldn't go get the ones in the Pacific Northwest anymore, There was some somewhere else. He ran there.

And right now, you sent me the video just a little bit ago, but this is more. These skulls are disappearing off the shelves in the museums right now. Yeah. Right as we speak. This cover up, there's, this cover up, I'm sure you've seen the map. A hundred years ago, they drew a map of artificial cranial deformation. And then like 10 years ago, they made another one. Both of these on peer-reviewed papers.

And the older map has more information. There's more areas. They've erased. The island of Nui had it Ancient Hawaiian people had about 8.9% of them that they dig up had elongated skulls Nobody fucking talks about that Nobody knows about it

If you want to go look at it, the answer's no When you say ancient, like what year? Not sure, but when they dig them up And they start doing at prehistoric they call it But prehistoric in Hawaii You know, maybe a thousand years ago Wow So this is all over the world

People are doing that Well, yeah And that what you're saying about The brain size and the base of the brain completely makes sense. Thank you. To me it seems like the most smoke. And not only does a smoking gun,

it's like it coincides with human evolution because what would be... Imagine you've got a Neanderthal and a homo sapien and they're talking to each other, trying to figure out a problem. And they both walk away from that with like mad respect for the other person's ability to see what they don't.

Wouldn't they want to mingle that? So like, Jamie, could you pull up a picture that I got of that family tree. It's just like an empty blank white family tree. And then right after it's the, like, imagine if you were trying to make a symbol to tell everybody, hey, this is where we mingle bloodlines. So like this is a standard kind of thing, right? And could you pull up that condolabra next?

It should be like, sorry. That same symbol, basically, with the condolabra of the Andes. You've seen that, right? the condolabre of the energy is visible 12 miles out to sea okay if you think we're trying to draw

the drawing we're trying to draw the mingling of bloodlines and here's a symbol of where we're doing it fucking doesn't it I mean does that kind of look uncanny and then can you pull up that paracus textile Jamie this one even more this is when they buried people in paracus this was they'd put them in these textiles

and this one textile Look at that. Try to translate that and keep in mind, I was just telling you. Okay. It looks like a monkey on either side and then a person in the middle. And it looks like there's some sort of a transference of something through the top of their heads. Well, that's upside down. Yeah, that's upside down.

Well, first of all, it looks like they did DMT. Well, clearly. It looks like they did. There's hours of ayahuasca right there, buddy. 100% they were on DMT. but that does look like two monkeys, right? It looks like they have tails, doesn't it? Yeah, it does.

And then the one in the middle looks like the bad motherfucker. That's the boss. That's pregnant. I've met that guy before. Yeah. I have. I met that guy. I met that guy over there.

But you see that, notice it in the middle of the thing, he's got something in his tummy. Uh-huh. I mean, if you think about the same line of reasoning, we're mixing different blood lines to make something more. that image kind of seems to. Also, they always have three fingers and three toes, and then you get to the tridactal mummies. And I do not. Yeah, look at the monkeys. I don't know what to think about the tridactal mummies.

Neither do I. It's honestly like, I'm of the opinion now that I think that the genetic stuff they were doing in South America down in Peru created a lot of artificial, a lot of natural weird problems. And some of them would be like misshapen skulls and then I think they would wrap the heads to artificially modify them. And I think that's why down there they get so crazy looking is because it's a combination of genetics and of artificially playing with it. Okay.

The rest of the world, they don't get that cone-hedge. So do you think maybe they had like a bulbous roundish head but extra large? Because there's those skulls as well. It seemed to be not deformed but they do have a larger brain capacity. Yeah, the ones that are bulbous in the back, those are, that's the most common type of cranial deformation that you see. It's what Concomley's skull, the chief that was showing you. Can you pull that one up, please, Jamie? So bulbous in the back, bulbous, yeah, that's huge.

Yeah, and that, again, that would keep it. And now notice, even back 100 years ago, that picture that he was just showing the other photograph, why isn't his skull elongated? Well, it's hard to tell because he's looking straight on. It could be. All of the artistic work of him is lacking that for some reason. Right, but couldn't you see that if some, well, that one looks pretty elongated? God, go back to that. That's crazy.

Imagine meeting those dudes. You'd be like, yo, what are you? And look, they're doing it to the baby right there. Oh, the poor kid. Imagine being a baby. You're fucking strapped into that thing. Oh, man, Dave's in this book here. It quotes from a book called Astoria that used to be required reading up where I live in.

The guy that witnessed one of these kids being their headbinding, it said that their eyes bulged out of their skull like a mouse caught in a trap. Oh, my God. So when you think about that, honest. But if your kid was going to have migraines incessantly for the rest of their life, you might just do that anyway. Yeah, I guess they had to do it if you're right. If you're right about the base of the brain, which kind of tracks.

But to me, the capacity of the skulls being so much larger and some of the Peruvian skulls is weird. It is. It's a funny one too because these guys will argue back and forth. You'll get a lot of skeptics that say there is no larger capacity. But the guys that measure it claim it there is and the other guys that measure it claim it's. Well, that one that we always show all the time, Jimmy, that one that I'm really fascinated by, that one image. It's so big. It's so big.

It's so crazy. you're looking at it and you're like, what is that? Imagine meeting that guy. You would be freaked out. Like that would not look at all like a person. You would think, oh my God, this guy's from another planet. Yeah, that guy. And then there's the sagittal suture thing that some of them don't have the sagittal suture that we have.

Yeah. That's, yeah, again, these paper. Look at that head. Look at that head, man. Also, look at the size of the eye sockets. Yeah. The eye sockets are fucking. huge. That person must have insane eyeballs. Imagine what their eyes would look like when they're

looking at you? I mean, how much bigger is that than a human's eye socket? It's so much bigger. That must have been a wild looking dude. Imagine bringing that guy over your house for a party? Your friends would be like, yo, who's the guy who keeps reading everybody's mind? No shit. Now, I'm not playing. If we're playing trivia, he's on my team. That guy's the freakiest one, man, the one on the left. But what you're saying might be accurate, right? That that might have been a rounded thing that was manipulated to be a flattened thing. Yeah, I think that it was partially natural. Like even the Sagittal Sucher, that this is one of the things they find with Denisovan

and Neanderthal DNA. That one on the right, is that real? Yeah. Is that AI? Is that horseshit? That's fucking real? Come on, man. What are we looking at?

And someone stole that. Someone's got that in their fucking rode up. Island mansion. Of course. You know those Bronze Age or Gilded Age mansions that they have? Very weird, man. I got into a YouTube rabbit hole the other day of guilded age mansions. Oh boy. In Newport, Rhode Island where all these like

fucking super rich, creepy people set up their castles. It's nuts, man. I guarantee if you get in the room, there's a fucking glass box and inside of it there's one of these skulls. It looks like it's from another planet. Well, yeah. And it's It's weird to me that they're hiding all this.

Somebody's hiding all that. Well, it's, it's, maybe not just somebody, but there's definitely money behind it because it happens like so fast. And it happens, like the article, I will link an article in a video and it'll be dead in two weeks and I'll have to go fucking fight. Like I've got three different ways to find this one thing right now and I've downloaded it because it just keeps disappearing. And it's the, what talks about Rockefeller buying the skulls. And it's just someone scrubbing the internet of the Rockefeller scubb skull stories. Oh, it still shows up. Do you think it's because someone has them?

And they're like, shut the fuck off. I'm a hundred percent, though, school. History says that he either repatriated them or he left them in the museum. And it's like it. So then I ask, you ask, well, what's the catalog numbers? Oh, well, there are no catalog numbers for human remains. Okay, fuck you. I know better than that.

It's just, and the ultimate, what really gets me is, is this, they gave you the same excuse for Papua New Guinea as they do for China. as they do for Easter Island, as they do for Hawaii, as they do for the Pacific Northwest, as they do for Paracas. Well, it's about, you know, it's about, like, protecting the indigenous people's beliefs, and they don't want you to have, like, their skulls, because then that would be, like, you have part of their souls. It's like, okay, I can understand that some of them might think this way, but we got men and nights in Pennsylvania that don't believe that, and they're sitting right next door to their friends that do believe that. How am I supposed to accept the entire Pacific Rim? Fucking all falls into line. We can't get them to do that same shit in Pennsylvania. I don't buy it. This is a European

thing. This isn't an islander thing. This isn't a Polynesian thing. It's covering these things up. These people are perfectly content to have their skulls displayed as far as we can tell. But it's always some white dude going, we've got to hide those fucking skulls because we've got a peasy. you, at the end of the day, please put all your shit in the museum so that we can keep a good eye on it for you. Can I see it? Fuck you. Fuck you.

Let's go on. Try to find this online. You'll find an image that says no image available that has a title. And that's it. There was one, last I looked, there was one copy that was in a library in Malta. And you really think that's because someone's in possession of this stuff and they're trying to squash it? I think that there's a narrative there that people don't want pushed. I think that it might have something to do with, I mean, let's be honest, what I'm talking about,

when you start talking about mingling different bloodlines for different traits, this does sound awfully eugenics, right? This does sound like it's dipping your toes into this kind of politically incorrect stuff. But how is it eugenics if people just interbred? There was a, I believe there was a program in Pirocas. Really? Could you pull up one of the pictures of the person presenting the, When they would bring their jaguar babies, right? The jaguar people in the Olmex Society had the hair lip and the things like I was showing.

There's more than one statue of them presenting them. There you go. Tadda, here's my baby. This baby's all fucking mutilated, not like me. Tadah, here you go. That baby doesn't look mutilated. That's not a very good image, but yeah. Is there any, that one doesn't look, that one looks normal.

It just looks like a mother with a baby. If you look at the top down, both of those they have. have hair lips. Oh. And they're missing the teeth. They are jaguar babies. Like that one. That last image.

Yeah. That's a trophy skull. Oh! The only trophy school known with the cleft lip. You know, if you were born with a cleft lip, even the Spanish recorded, if you were born with a cleft lip to their people, they would put you in a temple as part of the workers. You were considered holy. Six fingers was considered holy.

Deformations were considered holy. And this trophy skull, what do you mean by that? I mean that this is like a mummified skull with a hole drilled in it. I wish I could get a real image, but this is the only one that exists. So somebody has that somewhere in the museum? Yeah, or somewhere, yeah. Somewhere. But, yeah, there's a bunch of these trophy schools that they kept down in South America.

They would wear skulls on their belt. They didn't shrink them or nothing. They'd just drill a hole right in the fucking thing and hang it right on their belt. Ooh. Yeah. Uh-huh. But that one was especially prized because that was a noble. And you're walking around with a noble person's skull hanging from your belt.

That's how they would wear them? I'm a badass. Wow. Yeah, that part of the world was never. So you think there's a potential that they were creating, they were breeding people specifically. Yeah. I think that they would like pick, pick bloodlines and be like, you know what? You look more like and you look more like and you need to have a baby together.

And then here's the baby. Oh, we got a good one. It's a jaguar. So what do you think the whole tridactal thing is? I think some of the tridactal mummies look fake as fuck to me, just to be clear. The early, the tiny ones are really fake. Yeah, the ones look like cake. But the ones that they do the cat scans of, you're like, wow.

You know, and then you find out that they're like at least 1,200 years old. You're like, are you telling me that 1,200 years ago someone created this? I think DNA would be a good way to get into that to begin with. I mean, it's just weird that this is all going on and we don't have definitive answers. And there's not also like a mad rush among scientists to discover. Are these two trophies calls? Yeah. Oh, this one just has a drill hole in the forehead and a rope attached to it.

They didn't fucking clown around. With the skin on it and the hair. So this person is just walking around with someone's head wrapped around their waist. The description I just read said they were most, I mean, the ones that they found were young women. like 13 to 16 years old but I don't know if that's what these are Wow one of them looks like a woman The one on the right looks like a woman

Kind of looks like that looks like that last That's so crazy But that's where things get so weird When you go back and you realize that entire cultures They engaged in ritual sacrifice At a mass scale Like what the Aztecs did They did wild mass sacrifice.

And their culture was so, it involved sacrifice so much that they would go out and get other people. And that's one of the reasons why Cortez was able to group all these other people to attack the Aztecs. Like these motherfuckers have been killing us ritually forever. Yeah, we're happy to kick these guys' ass. Oh, wait, you're not going to help us out afterwards? Oh, one of my favorite stories about that afterwards is they're like, okay, we need all you guys to. bring all your codices here so that we can we can put them on these shelves and so like all these mesoamerican codices show up and the spanish friars like torch fucking watches them all bird

and there's like a handful left that exist now i know they just bought like three years ago they bought those ones from a family in mexico that had them for like 500 years and one of them talks about the building of teotihuacan whoa and the mexican government bought it for like 250 grand it was like i was telling matt bell and matt bell's like that's fucking nothing Is that a dope trophy? Some of these are fucking sick. Ancester Chiefs skull, wow. Hold on, though.

Wait till I get to some of these down here. Holy shit. So now imagine this is crazy. Oh, man, are you sure they aren't from Hellraiser? This is like straight out of the predator. Yeah? So these were found in Asia. What?

Why dear God. Some of this looks almost like this is like from out of a movie stuff. Well, they've glued like tusks under some of the skulls. What the hell is that? Whoa. Go back up a little bit. Well, that looks like something about a war. Yeah, that one on the right with the horn coming out of his nose.

Human child trophy's going. Human child trophy's goal. What the fuck, man. How did I never hear about this before? How about the one with the headsets on? That one's got headphones on. What the fuck, man. Why does it say info, email?

Are you selling these? Yeah, I mean, I don't. I stumbled across something here. It does say art. Art. Tribal art, Asia. We're just doing some weird shit. Yeah, that actually doesn't look like a skull.

That looks like it's carved out of wood. Like the nose part, it's all filled in. You imagine if you found out there was a website. You could just order trophy skulls. That's what I was like. I was finding. Jeffrey Dollar.com. Recreated ones on Etsy that people are making.

Oh. It says it's a replica. Lord. What kind of a fucking Etsy? made by monster. That's that kind of person. It's like I ain't even trying to hide it. I'm a monster. I'm a dude with an Etsy page of just skulls.

That's wild. Boy. But you know, even some of these Olmec heads have hair lips. Like I got a picture of the saved on one of those that has it. It was, and again, if you mingle Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA with human DNA, this is thing is you end up with facial deformations, including hairlets. I think it's real, bro. What?

Early a 20th century diac and sized trophy skull, and it's got a name. It costs a lot of money, and they say where it came from. You could buy that? Yeah. Talking about... Logging for the price. Do you think that... Can you imagine if we had a fucking skull, human skull on the desk?

That's too creepy. That is. Because we don't know how the guy died or the woman died. A private collection from Thousand Oaks, California. Oh, wow. See how many private collections are out there. I was telling you can find elongated skull for sale. I was telling you about Concomley.

That's how I got here. I was looking. I was telling you about that Chief Concomley. He was a huge friend to the honkies that came through that area. He married off his daughters to fur trappers. He cried when they moved the fort 30 miles away. He was like, a bunch of Braves came up and said, we're going to go kill all these white guys.

He's like, hey, hey, hey. Do you know, see how tight they're tightly. woven their cloth is. Do you see how strong their weapons are? Do you see any of their kids or their women? Do you think this is all they're capable of or do you think they're going to bring more to bear when they bring their families with them? Let's not fuck with these guys. He was really shrewd and smart. He died three years later. Some British dude chopped his fucking head off. They actually had hit him. Instead of these above-ground canoe burials, they'd hit him because they knew. Dude chops his head off, ships the skull back to England,

and it wasn't until this came out five years after they'd repatriated the skull to the Chinook people. But yeah, they actually carved on the back of his fucking head even. Like, here, Chief Con calmly. Here's his skull. Here's a friend who, no. If you can't see it, they engraved that on the back of his skull. Oh, my God. It's like so horrific.

And, like, so you can see why the Smithsonian might be a little hard-pressed in letting this stuff out. But, well, the Peruvian skulls, though, deep. Like when you look at them and you look at the monster, do you think there's more to this story? Is this as simple as cranial deformation plus they do it on purpose? Or is there a potential for a different species of human that live there? There's almost certainly, in my opinion, a different species is human that live there. And I mean, even, you know, I'm not into the ancient alien stuff,

but at all honesty, I wouldn't be, if there was aliens intermingling with humans, this would probably be the best smoking gun place for it. There's also all the evidence that they were building art that you could only see from the sky. Exactly. Which is really weird. Which is really weird. And even things like that condolabra of the Andes that I was sure,

that's visible again, 12 miles out to sea. Easter Island's close enough. Imagine the guys jumping down from right here, from Portland, Oregon, just jumping down the coasts to Piraqas. Where were you drawn the conclusion that that represents genetic engineering? I wouldn't have drawn it to begin with, but it looks like a family tree, and it's like with everything else lined up all the side.

It's like, well, I mean, if you're trying to say, hey, guys, this is where we do this, what symbol would you use? Right. And that's where, okay. Again, if this was in a vacuum, this is not how I got there. This is kind of the icing on the cake,

is the paracas condolabra and that textile thing. The honest to God evidence is, I mean, there's a lot of papers that I have, a handful of papers that I've got screenshots of there, but you pick your genetic deformation, and then Google it with Denise a Vibon, or Neanderthal, and almost Garin fucking teed. Hydrocephalus,

that big skull thing that I showed there, you see a few of those in Paracas with those great big things. Hydrocephalus is something that's, the frequency is increased when you mingle Genisivin or Neanderthal DNA. It's a constant issue. That candelabra image, does that image

appear in other areas? It actually does. It crazily enough. It appears in Easter Island on skulls that are carved with That same image. Whoa. I didn't put any in the file, but I've got them in a video.

There's two of them that they have. One is like a straight line, and then one's like a bird man kind of, but it's the same image. When you say skull, do you mean humans, school? I mean a deced decorated like those we were just looking at. So a dead human that has that on their head? That they'd scratched it in afterwards like that. What? There's a, the Easter Island had elongated skulls, but almost all of those are gone.

and they're hard to find images of like impossible but they do have these and they were like they would do artwork on skulls after they would die and a few of them do strongly resemble the condolabra of the And is that condolabria is that anywhere else down there? Not that I'm aware of. Not that I've seen. Can I see that again please the candelabra?

Because the family tree thing it's like is it the same configuration on the Easter Island heads? Or is it similar? It's not identical but it's really close. Look for Easter Island modified

school, Jamie, and that'll probably pull up the, it'll be a paper. I doubt you'll find it it in the images section, but if you click all, there should be a paper that maybe you have to go to Google Scholar to find it, I apologize. guys. But, uh, yeah, they've, there's, there's artwork on these things and a handful of them

that is, uh, there's artwork on a few, on two of them in particular that's got that, that same fork symbol. And one of them, they call a bird, that bird man. There we go. Bam, there's the bird man. And then they're on the same page. You should see, good job, Jamie, your fucking pimp. See, they did a bunch of art on these skulls. But, But two of them have that same symbol. Do they show that here? They're right there. Similar.

Super similar. Yeah, not identical for sure, but it does have the same three things forking together to make one. So it's just a theory that that's the tree of life. Or that's the family tree rather. Yeah. That's totally, again, the family tree thing is completely my thing. This one represents a penis entering a vulva Right in the back of the head

He drew it on his head That guy was like the earliest bad tattoo art ever Maybe they were honoring person's ability to deep throat This far back The fucker gave you skull, you knew it X marks the spot But yeah again The imagery and stuff

I can't be 100% all right I mean you can never be 100% on any of this stuff But the genetic Those wormy and bones I showed you in the back, they call them Inca bones for a reason because they show up in the Inca. The Incas have a higher, South American in Peru, they have a higher instance of cleft pallets. They have a higher instance of polydactyl. They have a just pick your fucking thing that's in line with all this.

And it happens more there than it does almost anywhere else in the world. And then when you see everything else, the elongated skulls that, frankly, beggared belief, imagery and stuff that seems to, the way that they praised genetic deformations, It seems almost unthinkable that they wouldn't be trying to. Imagine if everybody in your society praised kids that were looked a certain way. Wouldn't you necessarily, I mean, wouldn't some people want to have kids that looked that way? Right. And there was probably some benefit that also came with that. Exactly.

Again, they went into. Something. Even if it was just a social one. Even if a kid could be, think about this. One person born with those weird teeth and a cleft palate that's also a little Einsteinie. Oh, it takes one from every now on. And it's like you, this guy looks like Einstein. Right, right, right, he's cool.

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We follow these trends, right? Yeah. People are weird that way, but here we are. That's a weird one. The higher classification of a person who is born with other human DNA, that's given them specific traits. But the thing about the monster rot stuff, that doesn't seem like a human.

If that's real, the three fingers and the three toes, and don't they have extra ribs? Yeah. Something like that or extra vertebrae? The size of the head. The whole thing looks so weird. You're like, okay, if this really has been carbon dated to 1,200 years ago, if that's legit, what is that?

Because I don't think that 1,200 years ago, people were capable of recreating something like that that's going to survive it in a cat scan. Why would you do the kind of work that they did that you can only see from a cat scan? Because the entire outside of it is covered. Yeah. Right? It's got the white clay and it's all mummified and this tissue that's mummified. Yeah.

How? No, that's, how the fuck did you do that? That's a very, that's a good point. And again, that, uh, that, uh, the one gene that's responsible. for polydactyl in mice, when they introduced it to the GLI3 variant that happens in Denisovans and Neanderthal in mice caused extra ribs, extra vertebrae, skull misshapen, dental morphology fucked up, and sometimes extra fingers, sometimes good extra fingers, sometimes bad extra fingers. Did the mice figure out how to get it out of the cage? I don't think so. I know they started getting really smart.

You started leaving notes. Pink, scratch notes in the window let me out. Pinky, today we conquer the world. Well, do you think the Smithsonian has had giant bones? Yes, not only that, but this is funny. When I was here last time, I would have told you, I don't think so. I mean, maybe six foot five. But I've done a lot of research in it since then.

Fuck. Okay. One dude who I'm sure I'll get his name wrong. His name was Ailes Hydlika. He was a guy from Hungary who was a, medical doctor. He had this theory that's a lot like the same theory of phrenology

like Leonardo DiCaprio poking over the back to school. Boy, that makes you docile. Except for it was all encompassing with the skeleton. He believed that you could do it with arm bones and leg bones and all of it. So he left medical science

to become an anthropologist to push that narrative. He fucking said it point blank. And then he goes out and says oh, all these Indian bones that you guys have that are bigger than white people bones? Didn't happen. This guy's got a vested interest in proving that white people are superior

and that he believes that you prove this by the skeletons and he comes out and debunks all the giant bones. And the way he did it, he's like, oh, see these bones? These aren't giant bones. It's like, dude, that's, yeah, when I get pulled over by the cop, I pull out the, I don't have any drugs on me, officer. See, these are cigarettes?

What year is this again? 1930s. And are there images of these bones this guy's displaying? Very, very little. It's almost all of this has just been scrubbed. So what was he saying those bones were? He was just saying that he said that people mismeasured them.

This is what it gets really, really ugly. It's he accuses people, some of these guys were really good at their job. And he'll accuse them of mismeasuring them and not knowing how to properly apply a tape measure. And the worst example of this, in 1959, 20 years after this dude's done this, the dude in charge of the Department of the Humanities at the Carnegie Museum, Dr. Don Durgoo dug up in one of these adenamounds a skeleton, and he says, according to the in-ground measurements, this indicates an individual that in-life would have been seven-foot three inches tall.

They debunk it by saying, well, this is just an in-ground measurement. This is just, it has, he didn't do any other work with it or anything. It's like the man flat-out said it indicates. He was, is 1959, 15 years after they had all the mathematical formula for doing skeletons. This guy, they threw him straight under the fucking bus to debunk that skeleton that you can't find anywhere because they won't show it to you. So it's like, and this was in 59, again, a guy in charge of a big department of the Carnegie Museum, not Dan digging in the backyard. So is there a chain of custody of that skeleton? Like, can that be traced?

All the way to the Carnegie Museum where we don't know what happened to it now. This is a consistent issue with these remains. If it's a giant bone or an elongated skull and you want to know more about it, a real good chance you're not going to be able to find anything. So what do you think was going on? Do you think there was a completely different species of enormous people? Maybe or maybe even just some of us that had some different DNA in us than somebody else, you know, just a little bit of, you know. It's a six finger, six toe thing keeps coming up. Yeah, that's, again, you know, we get that now with just a little bit of Neanderthal.

DNA, right? So you get different species that had more Denisovan than us, and still technically might be the same species, but not climbing. Do you think it's possible that these giants were denisovans? It's possible. Because Denisovans were a lot larger than us,

right? Yeah, at least six inches, as I say. And if you had a big one, like there's Shaq, right? And there's me. You know what I mean? Like, if you have a really big one, like, isn't it possible that there's a range of even those things. Like we only have a couple

bones, right? And I think there's something that just came out from China about homo Juliencis. You know, that they think it might be Denisovan, that it might be the same thing, right? Yeah. Dragon Man, the same thing. That's been out for a little bit

now, but yeah, there was something that was like super recent where they were proposing because I think they're trying to figure out what we're talking about, but we're talking about it from just a couple of bones. There's not a lot of, it's not like They had a whole graveyard filled of Denisovans with various heights and weights, and they can get an estimation of, like, what the medium was.

Oh, yeah. The vast majority of what we know about them comes from DNA. Right. Vast majority. Yeah. So we have a few bones. Yeah. But then it's like, how big?

How big were they? Like, is this a 12-foot-tall person? Is that real? There's five-foot-tall people, and there's nine-foot-tall people. Exactly. What's the tallest person today? Like, eight-foot? Alive now, I'm not sure, but, like, Robert Wadlow was like...

But he had like a real problem. Yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah, giant-gantism. That's like a tumor on the pituitary gland. Yeah, you just keep on growing. Yeah. But I think that just for just an outsized, enormous person, I think the record today is like, okay, 8 foot 2.8 inches in 2011.

Yo, Sultan Kosen of Turkey. Okay. Come on, man. Guy lives in Turkey. This is like one of the oldest DNAs in the world where Gobeckley, Texas. Is this guy a giant? Holy crap. What size of that guy?

Holy crap. What does he look like when he's standing up? Put him over there. Okay. And he doesn't even look like he has gigantism. Does he? I don't know. He just looks like a giant dude.

He doesn't have like a misshaped head or anything like that. Either way. Pretty impressive. Now imagine. Is that a gene thing? Is that a capable of being, is that old? Is that some old DNA

from some other kind of human? Or is that just a really big person? That's a different guy. That's a guy in China, right? And these six finger, six toes once, is that ubiquitous? Does that occur in all of the reports of these bodies? No, it doesn't.

Some of them have two rows of teeth. Some of have six fingers and six toes. What is, like, I got pretty serious. skeptical about, because there's a lot of giant reports in America where people were digging up mounds. And so I got kind of skeptical about who I was taking it from. Like, Joe Farmer, I just was like, okay,

maybe not. But if the guy was, it's like some of these guys were really good at what they did, and they'd say they recorded something. It was, so there's probably a dozen, solid accounts that are from people that weren't bullshit artists that had more to lose than they did gain. And some of them were,

two of them in particular are like good scientists. Like, Like, well-known anthropologists respected in their field, and they were finding giant bones. And even today, like that guy that I told you about Dr. Dondragu, there was an anthropologist right now that, like, two or three years ago, she debunked his work by claiming that he just did an in-ground measurement, and that was it.

And it's like he clearly said this indicates an individual that was this tall in life. It's like, I did a measurement on this, and it indicates, that's clearly telling you I didn't just take a dead measurement. And they just throw his ass right under the fucking bus in order to keep this narrative going. And that's where it's weird to me because I don't think Flint Dibble and all of his friends give two shits about the giant narrative like Rockefeller does. I think it's way more of an ego thing with them because archaeology is not a fucking science, Joe.

Not even close. It functions like a science like religion does. So these guys, they all know it. They know they're larpying as scientists. They know when they call a science deniers, they're full of shit. So they just have to, the only thing they can do is puff their chest. Well, some of it is science, right? Sure, some of it is, but let me put it to you like this.

So why are you saying? Archaeology is a study of human culture by material remains. Okay. Now, science, the cornerstone of science is replicability, arguably. If I combine hydrogen and oxygen and you combine hydrogen, we should get the same thing. Now, if I dig up something in my backyard, can you replicate that? Or are you beholding to... What if Joseph Smith digs up gold plates?

and I dig up an arrowhead. You believe one and not the other? Right, but you can put protocols in place where you have a bunch of people that are all responsible for making sure that everything goes according to plan and they all report to someone else. But how is it replicable? Well, it's not replicable, but they are exposing these ancient remains and they are using. You can use some scientific carbon dating. Absolutely. They're using physics there.

That's physics, right? That's where it really comes down to. Fundamentally, archaeology cannot be science any more than theology. Fundamentally, a miracle, you either believe or you don't. I dug up something in my backyard. You either believe it or you don't. You can't replicate either one of these things. Right, but you can film people pulling things out of the ground.

You can prove that it's old. You can... But there's a lot of instances where, like, they're doing a construction dig in Mexico City, and they find like stone, they stop construction, archaeologists come in. Like there's a whole chain of custody of where this stuff's coming from. Absolutely. So isn't that kind of scientific? Kind of.

I mean, again, there's a chain of custody on the Epstein letters, right? Right. But at a point it falls apart because of do you believe or do you not? That's what it really comes down to with archaeology is I can't replicate the findings. And if you can't replicate the – I'm not saying to this. worthless. Right. A historian knows better than to call themselves a scientist. They know it's not, they use scientific methods. A video game speed runner, if you know what that is, somebody who's trying to like beat Super Mario Brothers. They use science. So you'll put an archaeologist more in the

line of a historian. Absolutely. Well, yeah, they are. Both of them call somebody else when it comes time to carbon date. You know, it's, they, again, the repro the, the reproducibility is crucial. And And the argument that they always go to is, well, like, well, astronomy is not reproducible. If you have a supernova, you can't reproduce that. Well, yeah, except I have 100 telescopes all trained on it. So this guy's data set and that guy's data set, jib, it's been reproduced. If I've got one arrowhead to dug up out of the ground, we either believe that this dude dug up the arrowhead out of the ground or we don't. And this especially matters when it becomes to these unique one-off finds.

It's one thing when it's an arrowhead. It's another thing all together when it's the anti-Kithra mechanism. And so this is where archaeology becomes some people, you could understand why somebody might believe the anti-kithr mechanism is bullshit. And at that point, it goes directly what I'm saying. It's faith-based. Does this coincide with my worldview or not? Which is why archaeology is like this huge split between these people that guys that are trying to puff their chest and say that it really is what they claim it to be. And then there's people that are actually just doing good work.

And they'll be quick to tell you, you know, at the end of the day, our results aren't, you know, we do science where we can, but we can't say for sure that our results are scientific because it's a lot of guesswork at the end. And that becomes a problem when they do things like Clovis first, when they're like, we're going to use our science to beat everything else off the table. It's not fucking science, bitch. So get it out of here. And that's where, yeah, the same thing, like I was saying earlier with the COVID thing. You don't get to... Too many of us know what the scientific method is for you just to come in here and tell us it's something else. Well, when Dibble was trying to deny that they did that,

like deny that archaeologists will attack people that have evidence of something that contradicts their assertions. Like, that's crazy to deny. There's so much history of that. He called it what's so funny when you're hearing that debate, he tells you, when you're pushing on him like that, he goes, well, that's an example of an academic. debate. Those things happen. It's like, dude, okay, that same guy I was telling you about Ailes Hyde Lica, that racist

son of a bitch with the giants. Before, he believed that there were no people in Americas before 3,000 years ago. And even on the Wikipedia page of the Folsom tradition, it still says now that any archaeologist desire a successful career could not posit an earlier

date for the peopling of the Americas or him and one other dude would destroy their fucking careers. This isn't the first time. It's been going, it's ego it well again it's and it's men mostly right it's human men and their egos and wanting to be the gatekeeper of information i'm an expert i'm the authority i'm the authority figure yeah oh imagine imagine the the shot to the ego it takes to be a guy like flint you study all your time and you

study all this crap and then graham comes along and he studies and he writes he writes a fake history and you write a fake history and his cells more oh man that's just going to cry right right up in his ass. And it does. Well, they just don't like also that someone comes along and they're super obsessed with a subject. And they're not confined by the academic world where they have to get funding to do certain studies. They have to get things approved. They want to get tenure.

They have to get the approval of the higher ups. There's all sorts of stuff that happens in the academic world that doesn't happen in the world of the Jimmy Corsettys and the Luke Caverns. And these people that could just go to places and start filming. you know, Ben Van Kirkwood can just go places and start filming and become huge experts in this stuff. I mean, the information that's available about the old kingdom, about all these things, it's all available. Like, anyone can read it if you take the time and if you really dive into it. And these guys have dove into it. And a lot of these other guys haven't.

And that's the thing. And they're a little lazy. Maybe not lazy, but let's say this, not as obsessed. So they should look at the Ben Van Kirkwicks as a resource. Thank you. I've been saying this one for a long time, but they do the opposite. I give you a perfect example. Jimmy Corsetti, two years ago on X posts.

I wonder if the Nephilim in the Bible were the Denisovins or Neanderthal or something like that. At the time, they didn't know Denisovans were taller than us, so all the archaeologists, oh, Jimmy's stupid. The Nephilim were supposed to be taller than us, and both of these species are shorter. And I even said, I'm like, I'll let us go a couple days, and I'm going to show you guys what you're doing wrong. And I let them go out. And then I was like, okay, let's try this. As a science communicator, let's try it like this.

Hey, Jim, those ones are shorter than humans, but there are other species of archaicummoded like giganticis that were taller than us that might fit the bill. Why don't you look into that and see what you find? You take somebody's passion, they're looking at the rabbit hole, you shove them in head first. That's science communication. Telling them the rabbit hole ain't fucking there,

Clover your... That's being a con. Well, I also think we should all operate, all human beings under this assumption. We don't have all the evidence for all the humans that lived. We just don't. We only have a tiny fraction.

We have fossilized remains, especially when shit gets really old. We don't have enough data. Yeah. And if you just operate on we don't have enough data, which is pure, pure. Everyone should agree on that. So once you have, then say, okay, this is the data we have, and this points to the fact that new humans are emerging, that we're finding, and we might be wrong about the number that existed.

And potentially there could be a cave somewhere in Siberia or wherever, and they find another bone. And they go, holy shit, what is this one? This is a totally different kind of person. And now you have another one. And you have another one. And who knows how many of them there were. And this will give us a richer understanding of what took place.

And then I think Michael Buttons has a really good video where he's talking about how anatomically human, anatomically similar humans existed. a long time ago. Why would we assume that civilization and complex thinking and toolmaking and technology only emerged in the last couple hundred years when the exact same species existed hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years ago? Isn't it possible that something, some human a long time ago, had figured out some stuff and we have no evidence of it anymore because of just

natural wear and the weathering and the earth absorbs things. There's nothing left. That seems more logical. Yeah, I completely agree. Yeah, I love Mike. He's great. Michael Button, yeah, he's great. It's one of the things honestly, just really quickly, I've loved watching the last year

and a half since I've been on here left while you just kind of went through my litany of friends and stuck them in this chair one after the fucking other. It's like, hey, that's Luke. Hey, I know I like, I know I like. That was really good to see, man. It's a fun time. It's a fun time to get cool people. to talk about cool shit.

And the passion that these guys have. Like you say, that's honestly, it's a huge thing. You know, Duncan gave me a really good compliment. Duncan Trustle saying that I was all passionate like a fucking, well, what's that guy that did all calculus and stuff, the old school, Sir Isaac Newton. And I was like, damn, I don't think I'm like that. But thank you.

Probably got as many chemicals in my body. Was Isaac Newton a tripper? No, no, no, he was an alchemist, so he, like, died of mercury poisoning. Did he really? This is one of the funniest things. I love saying this one on Twitter. I say it once every couple of years. The world we live in now where they'll take a scientist and they'll say, like, yeah, but this guy's political opinions are all skewed.

So fuck this guy. It's like, you know what they would have done with Sir Isaac? We wouldn't have the theory of gravity or calculus. They'd have been like, yeah, that guy denies the Trinity and he's fucking an alchemist. Why would I put up with this crazy guy's bullshit? It's like, it's, but yeah, but yeah, it's, it's, I'm actually one of the things I've actually come to a lot of terms with on my own little searching in this community is that there's a lot of people that I disagree with on fucking 80%. But that 20% that they're, if they bring honest data to the table. Yeah.

Like, and my best example of this is goes all the way back to the 1880s, Carl Christian Raffin, or the 1830s even, he was a anthropologist. He was, he believed that the North. discovered America before Columbus. And the reason he believed this was because every time he'd see a rock with a glyph on it, he's like, man, them dumb Indians didn't know how to carve no fucking rocks. Granted, all their weapons are made out of stone, but anyway, they don't know how to make

this. So it must have been a white guy. So he does research, research, research, and eventually finds out that it was the Norse that be... Now, he was pissing up a rope with his fucking line of evidence, but he did honest research and he got us real data. Right. I'm finding a lot that I

just have to, like, I really don't like you, Okay, what do you got to say? This is a part of the problem with the Atlantis thing. And this is why guys like Flint always connected to racism, because there were a group of people that were white supremacists that believed that the white race was responsible for Atlantis. But those are not like credible historians. These are also not in the same group of people as Graham or you or Ben Van Kirkuk or any of these people.

No one is saying that. So to connect people to something like Atlantis, where there are. problematic people that believed something that was racist. Just because you're talking about Atlantis doesn't mean everybody who's investigating Atlantis is also problematic and racist. That's crazy. Well, they say, well, I always jump with, they go, well, you see how many, their evidence? You see how many white supremacists cite the stuff? And I always go, well, you see how many white supremacists cite all kinds of statistics?

And drink water. Poverty and crime and all these other things. Should we get rid of all of these statistics too? We should just quit gather. Anything that a white supremacist might use. Do you remember the Mac Tonight commercial with the McDonald's Moon Man? No. Do you want you remember years ago, like we were kids in the 80.

When I was a kid in the 80s, it's a big moon man guy that was singing a Mac the Knife parody, When the Clock Strikes Half Past Six, Babe, time to head for golden lines. Okay, about 15 years ago, they started using a thing with like some weird voice chat, And this guy's making racist memes. Does that mean that McDonald's is fucking racist or does it just mean that racist will co-opt fucking anything including Pepe the Frog? Pepe the Frog is the best example. Thank you.

That poor guy who made Pepe the Frog. He's just like, please make it stop. That's not me. And so, but so. And that's exactly what these guys do, man. We can't talk about anything without it being racist. It's like to. Well, this is just a way to dismiss you.

It's a way to weapon. And to drag other people in. Yeah. Hey man, this guy's talking shit about the pyramids. Yeah, whatever. Oh, he's also racist. Oh, fuck. We got five percent of them came over.

Cool. Yeah. It's really pathetic. And, you know, in all honesty, you know, I get shit during the election cycles from friends and from fans that, for not supporting X, Y, or Z. And I always tell them the same thing. Look, most of the third or fucking SETI the second. I talk about ancient history, bitch. I'm not talking about modern politics.

That's not what I'm doing. It's not, and I'm certainly not going to endorse somebody on my platform. As a matter of fact, why do you care what Beyonce says about this shit? Why do you care about any of these people aren't political analysts? Why do you care that much? Why are you calling up my ass about, well, yeah, but you know, you've got the people want, people want us to all of you, towing a certain, it's funny. I swear to God, it's like the whole country's got, like probably a third of us are little Hitler.

The whole world will be better if everybody just thought just like me. It's like, fucking. Christ. And they think they're the open-minded, compassionate ones. It's really weird. It's so crazy. But it's just the nature of the tribal world that we're living in right now, and it's so divided. And this is one of the giant problems in social media.

And I think it's great that everyone has an opinion. And I think it's great that everyone gets to express an opinion. It doesn't mean that you should listen. It doesn't mean you should absorb it. It doesn't mean that it's a valid opinion. You'll find the valid opinions, but you have to sort through the bad ones. And this is how it's always going to be. is always going to be that people have a take on it that you fiercely disagree with.

People have the least charitable view of this person or this idea or this thing. You're always going to have a spectrum of ideas. And you have to allow it. That's how it is. And you have to counter that with a better perspective. That's it. And if you're coming at it from you want to silence and destroy everyone who disagrees with you, especially on something as complex as ancient history.

Like, that seems like you're doing a bad thing. That seems like you're denying the resource of all these obsessed people. Yeah. I completely agree with you. As a matter of fact. And if they're getting something wrong, like, yeah, have a conversation with those people and explain why they're getting something wrong. But be good faith about it. It's a society for American archaeology's original bylaws.

Their very first law was their intention was to. It cultivate a better relationship between interested amateurs and professional archaeologists and to offer help when requested to those interested amateurs. They're doing neither one of those things right now. Number one, they are pissing all over the relationship between people that are interested amateurs and the professional archaeologists. They can't even talk to each other anymore. Don't you think that's also a little bit of jealousy because these interested amateurs have all of a sudden...

They come to the forefront. And they're making money off of it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. When we found out that I had supporters, he lost his shit. People pay him money for the, oh, my fucking God. Silly to worry about that. But it's also like just YouTube revenue.

Guys like Ben Van Kirkwick's videos get millions of views, you know? Like there's real money in it, and they're not making money. No, not like that. And they've got to be pissed. I'm sure that's part of it. But the other thing I, and again, that bylaws, it says to offer help when requested to interest and amateurs. last time Graham Hancock asked one of these cock suckers with your opinion.

They don't. They give him the help whether he wants it or not. They've completely lost the plot. Well, the problem is the way they frame it. Like when they were talking about his Netflix show being one of the most dangerous shows on television, how is it dangerous to talk about evidence of a lost civilization? That seems insane. Their egos are at the fore. Have you ever read that letter from that they wrote to Netflix?

Yes. Okay, they had three problems, right? And they list them, one, two, three. Now, you would assume these are professional archaeologists and they're talking about Graham Graham Hawk. You'd assume number one is he got a bunch of shit wrong. Right. No, number one is he talks shit about archaeologists and he doesn't listen to us. That was number one.

They couldn't even hide their ego in the fucking list. It's like, mm-hmm. Also not true. They're petulant children. I swear to fucking God. Also not true. Yeah. He listens.

Oh, dude. He puts them on the. The difference is he doesn't. wants to deal with the guy. If you're going to come in and just poo-poo everything and say, no, that's not true, no, that's not true, no, that's not true. Well, then, yeah, you're not going to. I'm not going to put up with that shit.

You guys have an actual conversation with me, sure. But if you're just... What were the other two problems? The other two problems, one was that he was wrong. Well, the other one was that it promotes white supremacy. And the best part about that is they say, because this theory, the exact wording is this theory dates to 1882 and Ignatius Donnelly, blah, blah, blah.

Ignatius Donnelly was a left, he was liberal as fuck. He was a feminist and an abolitionist, but he was also a white dude in the 1800s. He's racist as fuck, by modern standards, right? Just like all the archaeologists were back then, but don't bother with that. They pick him, and they say, this guy's

one that started the problem. He's the one that created this theory, but you go back 20 years. And Augustus Le Plignon, and some other dude, I've losing his name right now, but there were two French Americans that believed that the Maya had conned were the Atlanteans, that the Amaya had conquered the world,

that the Maya were the master race, if you're going to look at it that way. But they're going to ignore that when they submit this stuff to Netflix because it doesn't, they wanted to make it sound like this entire shit was created to support white supremacy,

when it was actually not. But they, so my point here is in a debate, when it constantly revolves around, you guys are lying about our past. They lie about what happened. 15 fucking minutes ago on the internet where you can all see it. And then they wonder why we're like, ha, you guys do lie about the fucking boneheads?

Sorry. So this guy, what was his theory, the first guy, that is problematic even though he's a liberal and a feminist? Oh, well, he believed that it was white supremac. He believed that the three biblical races, you know, aware of that, like Noah's three kids. Sam is the Semitic race. The Hamite race was the Africans. and then the other one ended up being the Aryans, it was the white people.

And these three biblical races have biblical racism, they call it. It's been like a thing for a thousand years. But he just clung to that idea that it was basically these races of after post-Noah and all this. So like, do you know the story with Noah like he got drunk afterwards? No. Oh, could you pull this in up, Jimmy. After it's all done, Noah gets all drunk. And he's like, laying around,

naked and one of his sons laughs at him and one of them doesn't. So like he curses the lowest of them and he praises the highest. And when you see the Bible verse, he was like, you're going to be the servants to this one and he can sleep in your tent whenever he wants and you can see why this was used to promote racial superiority. But that's where it came from. So if they really wanted it to, they could have been saying the Bible created racism and that was a problem. But it's also very silly to connect the idea of ancient civilizations to one person. That's so silly. It's so silly.

When you're talking about evidence all over the world, we're talking about ballback, we're talking about the Maya, we're talking about the Egyptians, we're talking about all over the world and you're going to connect it to white supremacy. Isn't it more plausible that we don't know what happened? Just a little bit. I mean, but you got to understand these guys are. The ones that follow, like I break your rule some and I argue with the people in the trenches, right? And the guys that follow Flint Dibble, they all the time, they'll make fun of you. You believe in lost civilizations. And my answer is, do you think we found every civilization?

Oh, no. So you're just throwing around stupid shit, just talking crap. The idea that there'd be evidence left over other than the stuff that we've already found, like, what are you looking for that's 100,000 years old? It doesn't mean that there wasn't something going on 100,000 years ago. It seems like there was definitely something going on at least 12,000 years ago. So that fucks up our whole timeline. Oh, yeah. And they want to still attribute that to hunter gatherers just for convenience.

The idea that the go back to the tepe structures were made by hunter gatherers, like, why would they do that? Yeah. How did they do that? How come they didn't make houses, but they made that stuff? Yeah. How come? That's a tough one, man. You know, what were their tools?

They're looking at, you know, car on tepe. They're actually talking about covering that again. Like, you're covering like, did it go back? Which is fucked. I don't know if you know Megalithomania, Hugh Newman. He's, he's, there are not a lot of people that I would mention on your show, but he's definitely one of them. He's a badass. He's been doing this forever.

And he's doing all this archie astronomy work out there at Karan Tepe, and they're covering it. They're getting ready to cover it. And he's just going, uh, uh, uh. Why are they covering it? They're claiming it for tourism to protect the site and all this. What do you think it is? I don't know. That might well be it.

I do know that... How does it protect the site, though? Keep it from rain. You don't want it. I don't know. But it's stone, right? Yeah. I mean, honestly, it gets weird when you look at the third world because or poorer countries like that because, you know, my iPhone could feed a family over there for a month.

So it's like these guys are going to do, they've got a different set of priorities than us. Right. So. But wouldn't you think that more things getting exposed would equal more tort? tourism, which would equal more revenue. Yes and no. I did a video a while back about Zahi Hawass being a heel, like a wrestling heel. Deliberate.

I'm 100% on this. Really? Oh, yeah. I'm not saying that he doesn't to do shady shit. I'm saying that he plays the villain. I give you some examples. There's a clip of him shortly after Arab Spring. He's talking about how to increase tourism.

He has two things. He has one, you don't want tourists from any old country. You want Japanese, Americans, Chinese, Germans. You don't want the rest. You want people to come in and change your world. Second thing is, doesn't matter what's happening in Egypt. Those new age people, they come. It doesn't matter if it's Arab Spring.

Doesn't matter if tourism's down by 40%. Those new age people, they come. So then, did it find something? Yes, I found it. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Yes, I did. Yes, I did.

Yes, I did. No, I didn't. Yes, I did. it's you're come and investigate come and investigate come and look come and see for yourself come and pop into those little holes and look for yourself go go look at the place that i told you there was nothing i think honestly that's his whole reason that he's playing it to the hilt and i think lee claire's doing the same thing right now if you watch lee claire on i don't know who that is lee claire is the archaeologist in charge of go beckley tepe he's a big big dude down there

and if you look at him on twitter he's doing the exact same thing he's constantly arguing he's picking it jimmy i actually blocked that I don't block many scientists, but that aren't constantly antagonistic towards me. He was, every day I'd wake up and more talking shit about me. He's just pissing everybody off. And the whole point, in my opinion, is to make it where people want to come and look at what you're hiding. If something's being hidden, you have to have a villain hiding it, right? Give me a touchstone.

So what the fuck is Zahi Hawa? Think about it. What is Zahi Hawa's hiding? Does that a crazy statement to make? No, it's not. And I think he cultivated that. I think that's an image that he made to increase towards. revenue. So you think he created this character to make it so that people want to combat against him

and then go there and see and look around? Spend money. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I don't think that's the whole I think he went a little too tinfoil heading. I think it's a little more simple than that. Yeah. I think he's been in control of the narrative there for a long time. And there's also some weird stuff with things missing. Oh no, I'm not saying that he didn't steal stuff. The weird stuff with things missing is like you would want to really control the narrative. If like skeletons that you reported discovering, then you say there's no skeletons, right? Isn't there one of those in one of the sarcophaguses? Yeah, Jimmy was hammering away at that one. There was an original story from like the 80s that they found the skeleton. And they just, no, no skeleton. And the problem is what we were talking about before,

that there are wealthy people that will pay you an enormous amount of money for the skeleton. So if you got some dude, you know, he's got Saudi Arabian money. And he's like, you know, it would be dope. I want a fucking Egyptian mummy in my house, you know. And people had them. I mean, this was a thing that people were eating them. Yes, yes, yes. God.

What? When I told Danny Jones that, he's like, what the fuck? Pull it up now. People would have these mummy unwrapping parties at their homes, these very wealthy people, and they would eat the mummies. I bet you a lot of those elongated skulls ended up in similar. I know, like, who's house? How many houses?

Who are these people? Like, how does no one tell on them? I don't know, but, I mean, you look at what, you know, five years ago, I would have said, I don't know about all this, man. But now you look at that island, you're like, what would you do if somebody gave you an elongated skull? Would you give it to a museum? Like, what would you do?

Like, if somebody gave you one of those really dope Peruvian skulls that are crazy without the sagittal suture, you're looking at the enormous brain capacity, the size of the head, like, what, the size of the eye size? I had scientists after scientist finger fucking that thing until we got somewhere. Right, but would you bring it somewhere where other people could see it? Would you allow the scientists to take control of it and to take hold of it? Because this is my friend John Reeves up in Alaska. You know, he's had some real issues with that.

Yeah. Where they'll take bones and then they go, nope, never getting them back. Yeah, and he won't, but this was before his time, but yeah, they did that. Was that the American Museum of Natural History? Is that it? So the thing he does now is like if you want to do work on these bones, you got to come to Alaska. Yeah. And he built a whole scientific research building and...

Well, it makes sense. Yeah. He's like, I don't trust any you motherfuckers. Hell, you know where the Baghdad battery is right now, don't you? Where? Nobody knows. It was grabbed by alphabet boys at the beginning of the 2000s. Which alphabet boys?

Ours. But which one? Ah. I'm not sure. Might be one we don't even know about it. All I know is it was... I'm just going to say, I doubt that the soldier that went in there had decided he wanted that thing for himself. Right.

But speaking of the Baghdad, I got a cool little theory on that. I don't know if you ever seen that, but I don't think it was for electricity. I think it was to separate metal. If you were to use for the electrolyte, if you were to take mine runoff that had like gold and silver and copper and iron and nickel and magnum, all that bullshit, you put it in that thing after a while, that exact cell that we had, the copper would have a build-up of... of gold, copper, and silver, all the other shit would go to the bottom. So you could, I think it was a way for them to like separate. And I think the discovery of this would be super easy. Drop a copper coin and a metal nail into a puddle of that and come back in two days.

And you're going to see the build up of gold on that coin. And so this explains why inside of the thing, like there's no residue at all, which is one of the reasons they say it didn't happen. Well, they were harvesting the residue, in my opinion. And this is why you couldn't. Wouldn't trace amounts? even if they were harvested. Now that's where it would be nice to test it now.

It hasn't been looked at in a long time. You know, it hasn't been tested for anything in a long time. It's gone. It's right next to those skulls and those mummies. It's on some dude's shelf that will... Really? Yes. This is a picture of a street mummy seller in 1875.

Jesus Christ! So this article on Big Think was saying that this was so popular from 1,200 to about 18th, sorry, the 12th century to 18th century. that they kind of ran out of mummies. Yeah? And can you imagine you could fly over there and pick up a mummy? Well, that's before these parties were even happening. Imagine if we had one of those in the corner over there?

They thought it was medicine? Yeah, mummy. We talked about this once before, but there's these... This shit exists all over the place. And I wonder if any of them would have been better than Kufus. Go to lot 99, apothecary antiques. Right up there, upper left? Yeah.

What? Look at that. It's an apothecary. So this is like medicine. Mumia. So it's like mummy juice. This article gets fucking gross. Mummy powder.

You sprinkled on your steak. They were so popular for a long time. They disappeared kind of. It was hard to get them. So they started forging mummy bodies. Oh my God. How dark is it that people bought all the dead bodies? Not all doctors thought dry old mummies made the best medicine.

some doctors believe that fresh meat and blood had a vitality the long dead lacked. Those guys went to the island. Napoleon was bringing them back and then they would have some parties, quote-unquote, parties. But that was just still like they were doing like research almost if you could say like some medicine research. And then that didn't last. It was like 30 years of that. And then they just started having actual parties to show how rich you were that you could have one.

Hold up. Pause right here. 1834, the surgeon Thomas Pettigrew unwrapped a mummy at the Royal College of Surgeons. In his time, autopsies and operations took place in public, and this unwrapping was just another public medical event. Soon even the pretense of medical research was lost. By now, mummies were no longer medicinal but thrilling. A dinner host who can entertain an audience while unwrapping was rich enough to own an actual mummy. The thrill of seeing dried flesh and bones appearing as bandages came off meant people flocked to these unwrappings,

whether in a private home or the theater of a learned society. Strong drink meant audiences were loud and appreciative. And then at some point they tried to say that you were getting cursed by doing this. Oh, yeah, for sure. Well, didn't the people that filed Tuit and Commons to them? Didn't they all die? That's what this comes up with, nexus, two in common. Yeah.

Sudden death of Lord Arnarvaron. Mm-hmm. Well, I mean, they can understand why people would think that, too. I mean, you're going around and not just defiling the grave, man. You eat the motherfucker? Come on. So, there might be something to a curse like that. Oh, yeah.

Especially if you believe it. That's the problem. That's how I think voodoo really works. If you really believe that someone could put a hex on you, you're like, oh, no. I was joking with this hippie girl in Sedona about that. She was telling me about practical magic. Look at this. Today, the black market of antiquity smuggling, including mummies, is wrong.

worth about $3 billion. So today, the black market right now, $3 billion a year. A year? Is that a year? That's a lot. Yeah, it's a fortune. That's a fortune. And just in shit that should be in a museum.

$3 billion a year. Yeah. It just makes sense, man. We see people that are just fucking insane and they're rich and they just want a thing that no one. That's like the whole thing about like rhino horn. Right? They want to drink rhino horn tea because nobody could get it because it's illegal. Yep. You guys are talking about the Rockefellers earlier.

There's a museum started in Jerusalem where the Rockefeller Archaeological Museum. They had 60,000 artifacts dating back to 2 million years ago, including a reported 100,000-year-old skeleton almost complete. Damn. Whoa. What happened? They also had another one that was 6,500 years old that a while ago was being reported. reported as Noah.

This is where the Dead Sea Scrolls were for a while until they were taken over and then moved to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a different museum now that Israel has been officially formed because they were there when it wasn't actually officially Israel, I guess. Wow. And there's a copper scroll I just stumbled across I didn't know about that was moved to Amman and is now part of the Jordan Museum. Wow.

What's that one? Click on that. Click on that. that looks made out of metal and tin. That was a part of the Dead Sea Scrolls? It was made out of copper? Whoa. Well, that's a replica.

Well, that part is probably, I guess. But, yeah, it was found in Cave 3. Where everything else is written on parchment. This was written on metal. Holy shit. That's insane. Copper mixed with about 1% tin. Although no metallic copper remained in the strips,

the action in the centuries had been to convert the metal into brittle oxen side. Unlike the others, it's not a literary work, but a list of 64 places where various items of golden silver were buried or hidden. Not a story, it's a treasure map. Wow, a treasure map written on copper. And a day when copper was a treasure. Wow. And this is a facsimile is now on display. There's got to be so much we're missing. No, so much we're missing. So much we're missing. So much buried stuff. So much. Like, just think of sub-Saharan Africa used to be luscious. green. Like, what is under there?

What's under there? Yeah, that's dead on, exactly. All across, there's so many places in the world that are that way, if you ask me, that's like Easter Island, when the sea levels were lower and that thing was a lot bigger and it was part of a series of islands

that jumped from one to the next. You know, you know what navels of the world are, right? What? Nables of the world, like Naval. Yeah, like the Yigdraisal, the world tree, right? Like connects the underworld here. and heavens. This idea is super common through it. Cusco had one. The wailing wall is one. You're going to kiss the wall? That's good. That's a, that's a world naval. These are always the Oracle at Delhai,

World Naval. These are always centers of the society. Right. Jerusalem. Delhai. Cusco. Except for, there's one at Easter Island. The far flung corner of the Polynesian Empire has a world naval. But if you lower the sea levels and look at that as a string of islands, all of a sudden it is the center of the empire. So I really like to ask an area out of all the places on the planet, I think Easter Island has the most that if we were, because it's been dug at the least and has a lot there still. I mean, it's been looted hard, but it hasn't been looted like Rome has been or Egypt has been, not even close. And I think that, I think honestly, there's going to be a lot more there, the more that we look.

I think unfortunately, stuff happens too quick. We find the stuff, and two days later, it becomes, like the tridactal mummies, two days later it becomes a news story. Half the world, like you say,

everything's all polarized now. You can even pick and choose your fucking scientist when it comes to medicine nowadays, Joe, it's completely polarized. So when it comes to something like archaeology, hey, fucking, who do you want? What side of the table do you want?

You'll find somebody with credentials are close enough to get in line with you. And so I was talking to a friend of mine about the South American stuff. He said the cartels are a huge problem because they realize this $3 billion thing of selling these antiquities and they're selling stuff to people. Luke told me, Luke Caverns, he told me that he witnessed that when he was down there. Oh, really? A couple of places he went that he couldn't go into because there were guys with guns out in front.

Oh, wow. So they realized like, hey, someone's going to give me $5 million for this head. Yeah. Yeah. And so, again, we lose everything. We lose all the context. How are they not losing those mummified tridactal skeletons? I'm not really sure.

That's a good question. You know, I would imagine those are soup. Imagine we have one of those sitting on the table right there. That would be pretty cool. That would be pretty cool. How much we have to pay for one of those? Probably quite a bit. Well, to that part of the world, you might get away with $250,000 like they did those codices.

The Mexican government, like I was saying, they bought those little codices pretty cheap, man. 250 grand is a lot, but it ain't a lot when you start talking about like, well, I said that to Matt Bell, if you know who Matt Bell is. He was like, that's nothing. Well, of course, to him it's nothing. But immediately, the guy that has the money is like 250 grand. Right. Fucking put that on my shelf. Yeah.

Frame that bitch. Meanwhile, he kind of probably auctioned that. It was a family. It was afraid to. And honestly, that family had been holding it for like 500 years. And in all honesty, I bet they were afraid. I honestly, the way things going on, I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised that there was some strong arming that went on.

They're like, you can either get paid for it. Right, or we take it. Just like when the mob, do you want paid off for this or do you want beat on the head? Right, right. It's just, you wonder how much is lost, like the burning of the Library of Alexandria, all these different instances throughout history, the burning of the codexes. What is this is? This is a website that's got art from ancient Peru for sale.

For sale? Yeah, there's tons of interesting stuff here. Right, the question is, how do you know if it's authentic? That's a huge problem. Because there's a lot of this stuff that's counterfeit. Wow, that's dope. Look at that mask. It shows the provenance of it.

So this one came from an archaeologist from 1938. How much does that cost? That says $3,500 or something, I think it said. Should we get one? $40, $40. How big is that? I'm not buying one. Would you get cursed?

No, that's, well, it says $4,850 on something. So I better be able to drive it around or smoke it won. Recent acquisition. Egyptian bronze, cobra. Wow. Somebody bought that for $2,000. Wow. Add to cart right now.

Wow. Bam. Kind of sick. What's it from? How old is it? 664 to 30 BCE. Providence. Ex-private New York City

Egyptologist collection. Private New York City. Yeah, the Providence is weird on all these. Everything's coming from different places. Yeah. It's interesting because that's not that expensive for what it is. You've got a piece of Egyptian history. Yeah.

Well, the Providence thing's kind of a big deal. If the Providence saw them solid and it's after a certain date, you can't sell them. Show me what that image looks like? So how come this person can sell this? Yeah, because the Providence is going to come before that date. Like, they're going to have been found before that date. There you go. Legally acquired.

Yes. So if it wasn't legally acquired, I bet they get you. So the laws are probably much stricter now than when they acquired it? Yeah, there's like, it's kind of like assault rifles where there's like a time when you can, it's okay to have bought them. But if you bought it after that date, you can't have it. Or like pre-ban ivory. Thank you. Yeah, same kind of thing.

It's like if you've had this artifact on your family, we're not going to go raiding the Rockefeller shelves. But, you know, the rest of your fuckers can't have any new ones. You get a gold wing deity pendant for 67 grand. Gold shaman. Yo. Damn, son. Bro. He got six fingers?

Sickest. What's that from? And also, look, he's got the, I guess you say a monkey on top of his head like that. And a two on the side, yeah. Why does it say price on a request? Maybe that's estimated here. So when it says gold standing shaman, is that actual gold made out of gold? There it is, 89% gold.

What? You can just buy that? Well, look how dope he looks. Look at the image on the side. Go to the side view. The other one? It's made in China. Well, it's hollow.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that kind of has to be hollow. Oh, fuck. We weigh 100 pounds. Yeah. Look at that. What a sick-looking thing. Show me the front-facing view again?

That is wild. Wild, man. And how old is this supposed to be? Fuck, that's cool. That would bring you good luck. Put that on your desk Monkey look Oh man I think he's got some nipples

Oh does he Oh when I was looking at things hanging around I hope he doesn't have trophy skulls Could be Yeah looks like his hands Looks like those are cups but their faces They look like they do look like heads up there Does he have two heads in his hands

He's got way more than five fingers Yeah, he's got seven Yeah maybe even eight if he's got a thumb Again you can meet that guy Three hits of DMT. He's out there. Show me the face forward version of the top? This one's been in Alabama for a while, it said.

Crazy. I'm sorry, and how old is it again? I was trying to look up. 500 to 15, 2080. Wow. Either way. That's nuts. That's pretty interesting.

You could put it on a chain. It weighs 148 grams. What's that in a pound? I don't think it's a lot. We're all doing weed math now. So it's not probably half a pound maybe. We're doing weed math. What is 128 grams in pounds?

Yeah, 0.28 pounds. A quarter of a pound. Wow. Pretty sick. That is cool. It just makes you wonder, like, what were they trying to? What is that? What is that guy?

Is that a guy you see when you trip? Because it seems like it. Especially he's all gold. It seems like something you would see if you're tripping. Yeah. A lot of that stuff, you see, a lot of it gets really difficult for me because then I wonder about like our iconography. And it's like, you know, somebody could look at something like that belt

and be like, I wonder what the symbolism is behind that belt. At the end of the day, it's like no symbolism. It's just, it looks cool. Or a mascot for a team, you know? Exactly. Why was everybody worshipping this? this spuds McKinsey dog. Right, right, right, right.

Why is everybody making the bullhorns at the UT game? Yeah. Yeah. But some of these things, you know, are clearly, you know, religious and spiritual and and stand the test of time. Like, there's a lot of things. The honoring of people with deformations down there went for thousands of years. I mean, this went from the Olmec all the way up till the time that the Spaniards

show up. I think what's really fascinating is there's so many things that point to South America. So many things that point particularly to Peru. So many things. When you look at the megalithic architecture, especially the oldest stuff, the weird crazy shapes, and then you also look at the elongated heads, and then you also look at the artwork that you can only see from the sky.

And like, how many of these fucking things do you have to see before you went? What was going on here? You should look at some of the, there are textiles that they made in progress. Like, I showed that little monkey thing. Those guys were so good. don't mind pulling up a picture of paracas textiles james they were so fucking amazing that these like when i first read about them i was like me then i looked at some pictures and these are like they're otherworldly these to think that these things were being made of over a thousand years ago

two thousand years ago when you when you see them there are there a bunch of little people with just feathers pointed to one side like they're in motion dancing and shit um like pick uh that like that one you're on right now jami's a great one That yellow one you were hovering over. The ones with the people. That's a textile. Look at that shit. 2,000 years old.

Look at fucking how beautiful that is. Wow. Well made that is. Again, you can see that if you trip. Yeah. It's very trippy, right? It is. It's very psychedelic looking.

It's very psychedelic. But then you consider that that same culture was doing all these brain surgeries. They were doing the lines on the ground you were talking about. They were modifying skulls. They were building things. And they had people, the artisans like this, this was a culture. This was a full-blown civilization that was above and beyond anything that we'd given credit to at this time. I mean, look, yeah, definitely DMT looking, but also, holy shit, man.

Look at how artistic that is. I know. Look at the little faces that are coming out of his whatever the fuck's wrapped around his nose. That boy's having a bad trip. Just wild. It is. Wild art. And beautiful.

beautiful and so like everything else in that culture. They were just, it just seemed to be so massively ahead of all the contemporaries. Again, they had that symbol that Paracas condolabra is visible 12 miles out to sea. And you could think about hopping down the coast looking for that. You could think about guys from Easter Island looking for that or from Polynesia looking for that. We've got DNA that supports all that. There's a genetic drift both directions. It looks like people went from Easter Island to.

to Peru and then back is what it looks like, according to the genetics. And that was the big sign. Like, welcome. Yeah, that's my thinking. And again, it's like, hey, here we're mingling all. Even if it was just here's the guys from the islands and here's the guys from up north and here's us, it still seems like a symbol of like a mixing to me, like a convergence. The DNA stuff, again, that's where I really all got me going on it because it's just,

you pick your genetic deformation. and you see it there. Again, with the back of the skull, that's just, to me, it's like smoking gun. It's like, why were they doing this? Well, here's a very solid, real explanation. And then think about, like, the evolutionary arms race. This culture is working on bigger brains that has all the intelligence of this species and the ability to see and hear that this species has.

And we're trying to get the best of both worlds. And these guys aren't. You're going to get wiped out by us in 1,000 years, 5,010. The evolution is going to kill you off and properly. these, I think it happened all over the fucking world, and Paracus is just the last place that was still doing it. But I think that that elongated schools, that's why we see it all over the world. As soon as humans, soon as homo sapiens and archaic lineages with bigger brains than us on the

back started mingling, I think this was like a requirement. This is all post-youngered drive's impact, too. Live right around, like the oldest skulls that we know of are around 10,000 BC. The oldest. Yes. that we know ever in the oldest elongated. Which is post. Yes, just right after.

Right afterwards. In China. So that's the other part of the question. It's like if there was a cataclysmic event that wiped out vast chunks of civilization, how much was left? How much survived? Because it seemed like South America didn't get hit as hard as North America and parts of Europe and Asia, right? Yeah. And Africa was almost unscathed.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Comparable. You know, these, according to the megafaunas, right?

Right, which is, so, that gets real weird. It does. It's like, so, okay, were those people down in South America fine? And what happened? Was that where advanced civilization existed on earth in the only place? Because advanced civilization, these other places have been wiped out? Yeah. That's, that's, honestly, I think that that makes the most sense to me.

Then what happened to them? That's the real question. Well, the Pyracas people? Yeah. What happened before the fall after? Well, what happened to the people that built? that built these megalithic structures? What happened to the society that existed?

Like, was it just time? Yeah, I think so. They still had, you know, by the time of the Spanish showing up, the Inca, we're still doing those trefinations in the skull so well that they were up to an 80% survival rate. The Civil War was about 40%, by the way. Like our Civil War doctors, an American Civil War, the only Civil War, our doctors were about 40%, about half as good as the Inca at drilling holes in heads and... letting somebody through.

I mean, fuck, dude. And why were they drilling holes in head? Same reason, because it relieves pressure. So, like, I'm saying that they were doing it as one of the reasons to relieve the pressure from the headache. But if you just get it, somebody hit you in the head hard enough, you're going to swell up in the brain. You've got to relieve pressure so they drill a hole to get it out. This was, yeah, a lot of the musket balls that didn't kill a man outright would leave a water on the brain kind of thing. So they'd have to do what they could to relieve the pressure.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's ugly when you, I would not want to have, if I would have got shot in the Civil War battlefield, knowing what I know now, I'd say just fucking shoot me right here and finish the job. So my question is like, why don't we see people that live in Peru with larger heads in elongated skulls today? Probably because it's illegal to do it. Is that it? Is it just a deformation thing or is it a deformation thing, you know, manipulated thing, on top of a crazy? cranial deformation, that's natural. Yeah.

Now, if it was the partial natural cranial deformation, I think eventually that would have been bred to be smaller and smaller, less of a pronounced issue. As those, like I was showing those bones in the back that basically do the play and stuff, I think that over time that we would evolve more accommodating things for it. But that we still have people that have those tiari malformations today. You know, that cat scan wasn't from 2,000 years ago. people still have this issue. But I think that over time, you know, the ones that were too bad at it, their brains are just too fucking big, they're going to die off. And honestly, I think that there was probably some of that Inkei type of clan warfare going on. Now, that's just complete speculation.

But, I mean, there was something, you know, I don't know. There was something about a thousand years ago that caused all the cliff dwellers and all that shit. Like there was, none of these people lived in the cliff dwellings like 2,000 years ago. And then they all moved into the cliffs and they all stayed for like 100 years and they came back out. Like there was some war going on. You'd see a tribe of about 5,000 people would split up into a bunch of little bands of 500 or 200 or at the most. The Gila quiff dwellings, they say, had about 60 people that lived in them. 60.

It's nothing. And they came from a place about 1,000. So you think they were trying to survive raiders? I think that it was pretty clearly warfare. And an interesting side note, something that I've never, I went to the Gilaquift dwellings, When I came through here last month, and I drove, a buddy of mine, we drove through New Mexico

and the big old oil fields of Texas, and we stopped at the Gila Quiftwellings. And so I looked them up afterwards to make my video about it, and they redacted. The artifacts and shit are redacted. It looks like reading a fucking Epstein list emails. It's just like Black Bar, Black Bar, Black Bar, Black Bar, Black Bar, Bar, Black Bar, Bar.

And what am I looking for? Just what they found. And this is just the people that lived in the cliffs? Yeah. Like, why would they redact? The archaeologists, this is the peer-reviewed archaeology, like the papers that they submitted afterwards. They just, because of what they found, the explanation given is they redact information so that people don't go digging up shit. Right?

So they're like, okay, except for in the same paper, it says, we didn't dig here and we think there's artifacts here a few different times. They're redacting the things that they found and the people that took them. And on some occasions where they were found. And it's not the only thing in the southwest. It's that way. The more I look, I see it's fairly common. Why do you think they're doing that? They're finding some.

They don't want people to know. Maybe they're selling on the black market would be the most obvious explanation, but like the most mundane. But when it becomes a ubiquitous problem, you say the short answer is the same as why they cover up the Schellney-Empstein list to cover it up, to hide it. There's something there they don't want you to know. And what for sure?

I don't know. I can't read into black bars. What could you even speculate? Like, what would they be trying to hide about cliff dwelling civilizations? It could be nothing more than an out-of-place artifact. It could be an out-of-place artifact. How so? Like what we consider the anti-kitter mechanism to be, something that's more advanced

for its time. So, you know, they just found something that, say, they don't think that these guys could work iron and they found an iron arrowhead there that wasn't a trade piece. It was pre-Columbian. You think they would redact that? I don't know, but I know they redacted a lot. But is it a possible explanation that they just redacted where these things were so that people wouldn't go back to the area? It would be if they didn't have so much of the stuff that was, like it'll say we went to this site and we found Black Bar.

And then we went to this site and we found Black Bar. So and so took Black Bar. And then it'll be another site that it says at this site, we thought there would be some artifacts that we haven't dug yet. Well, why is it that site not blackbarred? That's the one that's the one that's the one that's the one that's the one that's the one that's the one. I want to go to because that's the one you said there's still shit left to dig up. Right. But that's the one they black bar.

But they don't black bar that one. So it honestly looks convoluted. It looks like they're selling a false bill of goods with that. I haven't. What are the other possibilities of the reason why they would. redacted other than out-of-place artifacts. The first one, like, honestly, the most mundane is just to sell stuff. That's a really cool fucking piece.

I'm going to go sell it to Rockefeller. And that could be it. That could be it. And that way they don't have to say what was there. They redact it. And then there's no need to explain where it went. That's right. That makes more sense.

That makes the most sense. It makes the most sense. It doesn't make the most sense. That's got money involved. Straight and mundane. Yeah. Yep. And people love those things.

But it's become... like I say, it's all over the southwest. It's not just one or two sites. I just stumbled onto it because I was looking up the helicryptoins because it happened to have been there. And that's where, I mean, I haven't dug it into it enough to put it all together, but it's, you know, when I was here last time, the cover-up stuff was something

I was a whole lot less, I was a whole lot less accepting of a top-down kind of cover-up thing. But the skull stuff has honestly got me where it's just like, dude, there's too much of this information that disappears as I use it. I put it in the, link it in the video and two weeks later, I can't fucking find it again. It's like, at a certain point it becomes quite obvious that something's being hidden. When the maps change over 100 years and we lose information, you get on Google and ask for the island of Newey elongated school, it'll tell you it never happened, but then you can bring up a bunch of expeditions of people that had them from the, it's constant.

It's a constant. The information is just not easily accessible. It's hidden. It's covered up. And I don't know why. 100% don't know why. I've got some suspicions. I think some of it probably has to do with like people's belief systems as to where we came from.

You know, like to give you an example, like archaeology, like science in general fought against the idea of gradualism and catastrophism depending on in the early days of science, it was out to prove the Bible. So things like erosion weren't what was looked at. It was things like floods and the walls of Jericho collapsing. But then evolution and then geology, it's about the same time. It's really slow, gradual. So it became gradualism was the rule of the day. And I shit you not. These two did not become melded together in what they call punctuated equilibrium

until 1980 with the discovery of the KT impact disaster. The whole Schickslub Crater, when they accepted that, The scientific community finally figured out what a fucking five-year-old could tell you that looked out the window every day. Sometimes things happen slowly and gradually. Other times things happened catastrophically and fast. It took science 100 years to wrap its fucking head around that because of preconceived ideas based on the Bible and where we came from. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if that same kind of psychology was here. Evolution's bullshit.

This proves. Who knows? but it seems like the psychology side of it seems most likely to me that there's some underlying reason that they just pushing a narrative and that this flies in the face of it. But again, that's total speculation on my part. One of the weirdest aspects of this whole UAP thing was that there were supposedly meetings with pastors where they were talking about some imminent disclosure that was going to be very disturbing to some of their people. And the speculation was that it was some sort of evidence of human engineering, like that human beings had been genetically engineered. And that religion itself had been made by extraterrestrials in order to placate mankind and keep everybody calm and together. Sure.

I mean, it's interesting stories, but... But the weirdest one, like all the religion stuff made by... aliens seems goofy. People made by aliens seems less goofy. It seems like something we would do. If you went to another planet and you found monkeys and you said, well, let's take these monkeys and add a little, do little this, do a little of that. I mean, that, if there's evidence that people were doing that in Peru, if that's real, we know that the Nazis were eugenists. We know that that's a concept, that people do things like that. We know that we engage. in genetic engineering of animals. Yeah.

We know that we brought back the dire wolf. Like there's a lot of weird stuff that we do. Now imagine something infinitely more advanced than us that finds us that goes a lot of potential in these genes. But, well, add a little. Cut a hundred million years out of the fucking evolutionary biological process. Let's just fucking ramp these motherfuckers up right quick. Go to Zacharias stitching route and make them lust for gold and silver. silver and then every so often we'll just come back raid fort knox call it a day it's also the book

of enoch yeah it's really interesting there's a lot of these things that do seem to line up with it it's um you know the ancient alien stuff is super weird it is like i you know it's honestly using the same kind of thinking that you were just using on the black bars it's like it's always the aliens are always the last thing i want to posit because the last because it's just the most unlikely That's where you and me differ. You know, I was one of the ancient alien guys, David Childress. I was in his living room talking with him about it, and he couldn't quite get where my brain is on this because I'm skeptical but not, I guess.

And I told him, basically, I said, look at it like this. If you walked into the bathroom right now and you came back in here and your wallet was missing, now I could tell you that a dog came in here and grabbed your wallet and ran out the door with it. I could tell you an alien came in here and grabbed your wallet and ran out the door with it, but you're going to think that I fucking did it. And that doesn't mean there's no aliens. It doesn't mean there's no dogs. It just means that we all know what's most likely.

And you really use that, that it's just like with the black bars. It's like, yeah, maybe it's an out-of-place artifact, or maybe he's just selling it to some fucking cock sucker. And so that's where I always, I'm not opposed to the idea of ancient aliens, but you've got to get me there. But then on the flip side, like what you said about them changing us, I mean, you could take that even to the uns degree. Look at it like you've seen the idea.

that the pyramids were chemical purification plants, the land of Kim, right? One of the things that he says jokingly, but he'll say, you know, if an alien race came here and you were trying to set up shop, one of the first things you would do would be set up ways to, like, make chemicals and make the stuff that you need to make your society, and you would use what was local and what was available. And that does jive, right? It does make sense. So there's always, I mean, I'm not completely opposed the ideas, but there's some things that the

Yeah, Occam's razor is a lot sharper on some things than others. I guess you can put it. But, you know, I agree. But I think the most complexing, most perplexing part about the pyramids is just that they exist at all. Agreed. That they exist at all and that they're 4,500 years old at least. Like, it doesn't make sense. Not even remotely.

It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that something that is so involved and so massive and so complex and clearly has, a tremendous amount of planning and geometry, understanding of so many different aspects of construction that we have no idea how they accomplished it. There's just too many things that line up with that where you just go, what is going on? Isn't it possible that we're missing something?

Absolutely. We're definitely missing something with the pyramids. I mean, this is, you know, they think it was 28 years that it was, that the great pyramid was built. 28 years. Based on... Based on written records and their assumptions that Herodotus was right when he wrote about that part. They just disregard the rest.

Herodotus wrote about that maze of Sakara? Fuck that noise. 28-year pyramid? Yeah. And I've told so many archaeologists, why don't you go build a fucking fire pit in your backyard with cinder blocks and get back to me on that 28 years? It's like you guys, you don't own a fucking tool belt. There is no way, well, you could have it and you'd have all these teams of people doing all that. There's millions of stones.

I worked as a construction. I worked in construction for a long time. This is the one in China. Architects and engineers fuck shit up. Heard of this place? Yeah. Yes. That one's nuts.

I saw this one recently, but the thing I thought was very strange. They said it was abandoned in like the 14th century, the Yang, Shang Quarry. These nubs are on this thing. We've talked about the nubs being on many different pieces. They're everywhere all over the world. They were saying that they had a, they must have cloned. clearly had a plan obviously when they were starting to make it. So the nubs were cut on purpose.

But they then abandoned it because they figured that they made them too big to move, which is kind of that fucking... They had good planning, but then they also had bad planning. So do you think the nubs were involved in the lifting and maneuvering of these things? Not of that one. I mean, that would have to be the plan, I would say, if that's why they were purposefully here and they're all over it. That one looks like it's carved right into the ground, though.

right into the rock. That doesn't look like a rock that was placed there. I might be wrong. This is still like they hadn't moved. These never got moved. Yeah. Right. So it's a part of a quarry where things did get moved.

Right. That's what's really crazy. Like look at that gap. If you go back to that last picture that you just had. Look at the gap between those two stones. Now imagine that that was a individual piece of stone that was removed from that gap and somehow place somewhere. And again, how long ago and who fucking did it?

Who did it and how'd you do it? How'd you do that? What are you using? Yes. And to say that's a lot of mystery is fucking nuts. I don't understand why they want to get rid of the side of the mystery to begin with. Look at how that looks. That looks like someone cut that out.

Well, I mean, they started to, but with what? Right. But look how big it is. Look how big the slab is that's next to that. that structure, the one above it, the blood, yeah, that thing. Look how big that is. Like, was that cut out? It looks like it was cut out.

It looks like a little carving inside of it even, yeah. There's a similar, I've got to remember where it was in my head, but it looks like it's floating. I think it's in China, too, where it looks like this, but it was put on top of like this very small little bit of water. I know what you're talking about. It's like a fortress or something. Damn. I don't want to sidetrack, but I'm going to.

I was looking into this elongated heads thing. It was going on in France up until World War I. Yep. Whoa. And why I'm finding a very interesting thing. A lot of Neanderthals in France. Well, so they were... Yeah, they were...

Fashion, baby bonnets were a thing. Turn to the left, fashion. And why baby bonnets were tied on the baby's heads. They did it a little bit of fashion, a little bit for protection. but there's something here I kind of stumbled across on and I'm like if you go back further in history it could make more sense that they're protecting them from spirits

and if you know if you protect if you tied it tight enough nothing's getting in there oh boy and that reshaped the head and it was a eyes pulled you out of that kid look at that poor kid oh god not on purpose to reshape the head but that's just what happened you know like

look at that baby like I said eyes bulging out like a mouse caught in a trap oh fuck man yeah it might have been a protection to just like keep your kids were dying for you know all sorts of reasons back then if they thought something would get into their head to kill them too they probably would do anything they could to protect them yeah now you can't increase the capacity yeah it didn't increase capacity is what I was saying right nothing that's what they say it's it wouldn't I mean could you well I don't know I'd you stretch it honestly don't know I it's that one's kind of frustrating is because it again you get

you can pick your expert there's people that will say these elongated schools have a higher capacity. There's people that say they don't. And since you can't go put your fingers on them, fucking pick your expert. Here we are again. Right back where you started. What's your opinion? Well, that's the truth, my friend. And welcome to 2026. It's so interesting, particularly Peru. I mean, just all the different things that point to a spectacularly odd society. Oh, man. Yeah. And you just go, what was it like? man, what was reality for them? Why did they make those NASCAR lines?

Why did they make those beautiful drawings that you could only see from the sky? The Pacific Northwest has some shit that's pretty wild. They was Mount Coffin, which is the place that I told you where they saw those 3,000 burials. In the early 1900s,

the Portland Star and Cement Company bought Mount Coffin. And the pictures from before are, It's like a basalt formation, and it looks partially modified. I've got three pictures of it there, Jamie, if you don't mind. The first one was just Mount Coffin. It was like some people. I think it says basalt or something, but there's like some people on it.

And the Portland Star and Gravel Company bought it, and they mined it all away. Daughters of the American Revolution tried to buy it. The Illuminati dude that was all like crazy. Yeah, that's the picture of it there. There's a picture a bunch of people standing on it, I think, might be the next one over. It's like a bunch of dudes standing on this basalt formation. It's a skinnier pick, sorry. But you can kind of see there where it might be artificially modified.

The locals say there was all kinds of cool treasure in there. Now, the dude that built Longview, R.A. Long, Raw Long, built Longview is shape of a pyramid. The floor plan of long, not only has it got a pyramid floor plant, it's actually got a little, from the center going out like a little cul-de-sac that goes out, like it's got the focal star from the pyramid coming out of it. It's fucking crazy. The floor plan of Longview, if you just...

But the streets were paved. The four main pyramid arcs were paved with the gravel that came from that mountain. The town is like... Can I see some images? I'm stuck down the 19-high. I'm trying to... I got to restart. Okay. But yeah, the guy...

It was pretty nuts. The guy was like... He was a member of the Freemason stuff. And again, they couldn't buy the mountain. They wouldn't sell it to him. But when he bought the gravel, he had the roads paved in these weird octagons or hexagons instead of, yeah, like a four plan. You can see the four from the center. Like if you get a.

Wow, weird. And if they get a straight top-down view, you can see. I haven't found one yet. Oh, I'm sorry. But yeah, you can see, there we go. Getting better. I think that's what I see. Yeah.

Hmm. But, yeah, you know, just map of Longview, Washington. That picture there, the disruption of Mount Coffin, see how that's the one there that's got all these people on and stuff. And they look like the basalt might have been partially modified. They're not 100%, right? But there were a lot of rumors about treasures being pulled out of that while they were turning it down. by the time that this was all being done there were already laws against destroying native american mounds and sites and stuff so rail this guy uh long was a lumber baron he comes out there

and wants to build up a lumber mill and stuff and all this crap so he builds a town of long he's a totally planned city and then he built all this goofy pyramid he's got there's a statue of him in the middle of town with a girl handing him a rose and she's holding him a rose and she's holding a dozen roses and handing him the 13th, which apparently is some sort of weird Freemason shit, I don't know all their symbolism, but all kinds of goofy Freemason symbolism, right? And yeah, you see like the town's laid out as a pyramid

and you see it to the right, the center, how it goes out to that little circle on the side. Like it's, this was, they've cut off the one line since then. No longer do they honor Long's original plan. They've actually, he had a statue of him that we used to face the rising sun. They relocated it. That town was fucking weird, man.

And they went almost like they're trying to fight his mojo or something. But that's what he did when he stole the Indians mojo. This was their burial mound. This is where they found their sacred. Fuck all that. Paid my streets with it. Make that my mojo. And then somebody else is in there now going, yeah, fuck your mojo.

It's weird. And I don't need to believe in all the spiritual stuff. But, you know, H.P. Lovecraft has a great quote about that. He says, I don't need to believe in Santa Claus to know. that people exchange gifts on December 25th. I can still follow your craziness, even if I'm not crazy, right? And so in this case,

they seem to be up to fucking some crazy shit over there. But it just happens to be where biggest concentration of elongated schools in history were. Wow. And history doesn't recall, when I say this shit, all the archaeologists, oh, there's no proof of blah, blah, blah, blah.

Simple math. To be buried here, you had to be a noble. To be a noble, your school had to be modified. 3,000 burials are reported. 3,000 elongated schools. Not complicated here. Not tricky. But they'll argue with this to the end.

Oh, Dan, I don't know what the fuck he's talking about. Okay. What is your take on the Grand Canyon? The Grand Canyon stuff is really weird. Talking about Kincaid's Cave and shit? Yes, dude. That's, again, one of those things where it's like, you know, two years ago I'd have been like,

eh, it probably is Native American stuff. At this point now, I joked the last one of these quest for ancient civil things that we had. I joked on stage when they asked, they were talking about different things that I said that the next time that we have some 9-11 type of shit and all the alphabet boys run back east. I'm fucking brought off to the Grand Canyon. It's time, boys. Well, right now you can't go into the area. Yeah, because all the Alphabet boys are here. It's restricted. Yeah. There's a part of the Grand Canyon that's restricted because it's, air quote, too dangerous. Or it's Native American sacred site, depending on who you ask.

But I haven't heard that part. Well, yeah, that's the explanation that I usually see. Oh, that it's Native American sacred. Did they claim it's sacred? I don't know. Because you would imagine the whole thing is sacred. You would think. Wouldn't you think that they were, like, that's not stopped us before.

I was going to say, all of a sudden, we give a fuck. What about Route Rushmore? But the fact, right, the fact that it happens to coincidentally be the place where this guy said he found a cave with Egyptian art in it. Exactly. That's where. What year was that story? I want to say 1920s. 19.

1909. Let's see what is his report. It says it's a hoax. Yeah, of course it says it to hoax. No, sorry. There were, though. There were hoaxes back then.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. There were a bunch of hoaxes. A bunch of people. There were a contest to try to get your fucking hoax reported the most. Oh, yeah. I'm sure there's hoaxes. The Grand Canyon hoax, the thing that's weird to me is that you can't go there.

Oh, yeah. A 1909 newspaper story claiming a vast ancient underground city, complete with mummies, copper tool, hieroglyphs, and Oriental, in quotes, or Egyptian-style artifacts, have been discovered inside the canyon, overwhelmingly regarded as a period-tall-tale, not an archaeological discovery. In March 12, 2009, G.E. Kincaid... 1909. G.E. Kincaid, supposedly, a lone explorer who had traveled the Colorado River from Green River, Wyoming to Yuma. April 5th, 1909, paper dramatically expanded the claim.

It said Concade had found a nearly inaccessible cave citadel in the canyon that Professor S.A. Jordan and the Smithsonian were investigating it. The article described hundreds of rooms, mummies in a crypt, copper and gold vessel, strange writing, a Buddha-like idol, granaries, and space for up to 50,000 inhabitants. Wait, what? Yeah. Said the inhabitants may have originated in Egypt.

or somewhere in the Orient. But now I do know that Jason guy, and he's kind of a two-faced piece of crap, so I wouldn't trust everything that he says here. If he saw something that flew in the face of his narrative, he will not report it. Who is this guy? That Jason Colavito guy.

He's a professional debunker that's basically, yeah, he's, if you ask Graham Hancock to list off the top ten pieces of shit, they argue with him, that guy's name's going to come up. There's no known physical evidence. no cave complex matching the description, excavated material, field notes, photographs, maps, accession, records, or peer-reviewed archaeological report. The alleged Smithsonian personnel and expedition do not correspond to a documented Smithsonian project

in the way the article claimed. But is there a documented Smithsonian project in the Grand Canyon? Well, to me, this is like really simple. This is the same as it's simple to figure out whether or not these skulls have more like capacity or not. Just fucking let somebody go there. If it's too dangerous or if it's a native, get a Native American archaeology team, get some drones, fucking investigate and close the door on it. But let me ask you this. If they really did find an immense cavern that could have 50,000 people living in it and they found Egyptian hieroglyphs and mummies and sarcophagus or whatever they have.

whatever they found. Do you think they would hide that? That's a tough one. Honestly, something that... Don't you think that the people that discovered that would become famous? Oh, yeah. And it would be a huge thing. And archaeologists would want to get credit for it. Yes and no.

Like, let's put it this way. Say, for instance, you found something that proved those tridactal mummies were real. Okay. You know you're going to get... pushback. Now say for instance you're a mainstream archaeologist. Your whole job is reliant on going through the proper channels. Now I've seen what Flint did to me when I've called him out as a liar. You know how many people call me? They put me in the same fucking camp as Madam Volvonski now. I'm dead serious. They'll call me total pseudoscientists. They say that I believe in all kinds of

crazy shit. Who's that person you just said? Madame Blavatsky. Who's that? She's one of the old, like the turn of the century during the, like a hundred, hundred years ago when everybody was, the, what do they call it, they're in a mesmerism era and stuff when all the people were seances and she was one of those. Bullshit artists. And so she, they put me in the same category, right? Like, the guy that I talked to about the metallurgy and the Ice Age is an ice core specialist. Flint crawled up his ass and got this dude to retract what he said and stuff.

If you're a mainstream archaeologist and you fly a foul of these other guys, you're liable to lose. your job. Like I was saying earlier, it says it right in the Wikipedia thing. If you posited an earlier dating of the people into the Americas than this, these guys were going to destroy your career. I understand that. But to get the military involved and to block off the Grand Canyon because there's an area that's too dangerous or it's an area that's sacred to Native Americans, to me is a bit of a reach that you get the Pentagon involved and they send fucking Black Hawk helicopters to circle the area and make sure that that's a lot of hikers aren't climbing in there. Something's up there. I mean, it might be nothing more than

they got a military base sitting in there. I mean, dude, in Sedona, holy shit. I'd never seen a UFO. When I was in Sedona, there's what they call Secret Mountain, and they hand me these dudes hand me these night vision goggles. And it was like, you're seeing all these little things in the air. And then it was like five lights come out from this cloud. They move in unition and they all disappeared together. And I was like, all this happens over Secret Mountain all the time. I'm like, Yeah. Sedona's a weird place, man. And the people there are weird as fuck.

I have never seen so many hustlers that weren't hooked on meth in my fucking life. Everybody there's got a way to make 20 bucks here, 20 bucks there. But that's because it's more expensive to buy a, to rent a home in Sedona that it is to rent property, to rent business property on the main drag. They can't get minimum wage people to work there. It's 20 miles to the nearest town, 15 miles of the nearest town. So, like, they have a real hard. Sonoma is just kind of collapsing under its own weight.

Well, it's all new agey people, right? All new agey people, and they're all trying to make a buck any way they can't. So why are the new agey people attracted to Sedona? Because of the, what do you call it? Food, yeah, the reputation of, you know, it's funny. The guy, my buddy Robert, he's organizing this whole thing that's going to be at the ACL. He's living in Sedona for years, and he tells me, like, a lot of the, these vortices.

There was like three of them that were energy vortices that were known about. And then this woman comes through in the 80s or the 90s, and he said she found a whole bunch more. And he says, it's really funny. She's grossly overweight. And that's why every one of the vortices she found is about five feet from the highway. The three real ones. They're out in the sticks, man.

Or in the desert. But Maddibovsky, she says it's right there. No convenient. Right next to my baggage. Juju beans. That's funny. Has anybody tried to find, I know there's this one guy who went to the Grand Canyon and he got chased out, but he found something really weird there. Yeah, I'm digging. I just found a comment on a video that said this guy was actually hit by a drunk driver and he has some of the best videos. Oh, hit by a drunk driver and killed? Yes, he's dead, no. Yeah, I used to watch this guy a lot. This video has four million views in two years. So. A lot of people will use Google Earth and be like, hey, check this out. But motherfucker used Google Earth and then he'd go there.

And what did he find that's so baffling? I don't know. I have to watch the video. You imagine if they whack this guy because he found something? Uh-huh, right? That's happened before? What did he find? So is he in the area where you're not supposed to be?

I don't know. I'm trying to stumble. I'm going through all sorts of places real quick. I also would go if it wouldn't be two years later that we just found this amazing discovery. People would have shared this every day on Twitter, you know? Yeah. Right, but what is it? What's the amazing discovery?

There could be nothing. I don't know. I don't know where he's at. He found this? That's a cliff dwelling, obviously. That's in the Grand Canyon? Yeah, I've seen this in other pictures, though, so it's not a discovery. Right. So we know there were dwellings in the Grand Canyon.

The real question is that grand claim of something that has 50,000 people. Just type in Grand Canyon Hidden Cave. A thousand hidden caves, although around 335 are officially recorded. And most are strictly off limits. to the public. See, that's where... Now, why are those off limits to the public, but other cliff dwelling

places allow people to... What's that? All sorts of reasons. Where they are, like you said, there could be a part of it's on native land. Right. It's probably very dangerous to get to. Grand Can...

Yeah. What it does get kind of weird when you look at like... So some of them are legal. It says legal visits, Grand Canyon Caverns, located off Route 66, near Peach Springs, Arizona. the biggest, largest dry caverns in the U.S. and offer public tours.

Click on that. Yeah, so just because it's not open to the public doesn't mean you can't go there. You just have to ask for permission probably in some cases and just get a tour guide or something. Yeah, but I think the area we're talking about is closed. That's right. I haven't seen, I'm looking for a list of areas.

At the mouth of the Colorado River, is where Kincaid supposedly found his thing. So right at the mouth of the Colorado River is where the Grand Canyon is like, from what I understand, where you just can't go, like on the side of the hill there, on the side of the cliff. But I haven't tried going.

I'm waiting, again, I'm waiting for the next time until there's a national disaster and everybody runs back east. Because, you know, living on the West Coast, I don't live far from Hanford, a little ways, but it's real clear. Like, when World War II happened, they're like, oh, we're going to build this fucking crazy bomb

and the might blow the world up. Let's put it all the way on the other side of the country from where we live, over where all those cowboys and Hicks live. And if Washington glows in the dart, well, then 50 years later, we got a bunch of blue-haired motherfuckers running out of Seattle. So you figure that one out as you will. But they definitely, you know, they put all the poison over with us. That's how they plan to do it.

It's the same with it's in the desert, right? They dump all that shit out in the desert. Why do they test all the nukes in the desert instead of over somewhere near the east? Because they don't want that shit blowing in their backyard. All those nice Rhode Island houses you're talking about. They don't need radiated. Radiate Seattle. Right.

So. Damn. Yeah. Yeah, Hanford's crazy. If you ever drive-thru, they're up in Washington. There's all these nuclear storage facility. I wonder if someone has a reason why you can't go to that area that they could tell us about. That's there, unfortunately, from what I've seen, I mean, I might, I'm not as,

Jamie's pretty damn quick. So I'll get, you know, he might find something that I haven't seen quickly. But from what I've seen, it's very much like he says, she says, this guy said there was stuff there. They say there's nothing there. They won't let you go there. There was one guy that claims to have tried to go there. He supposedly had a video where, like, people stopped him before he got there. But I watched it.

It looked kind of, like, maybe. But they say that about Secret Mountain in Sedona. They say that if you go walking around on Secret Mountain up in Sedona, eventually a park ranger will come up to you. He's a lot buffer and better arm than most park rangers are going to meet. And, oh. Joe Rogan security? No.

Do you think there's maybe... some sort of an alien base somewhere in the United States? If there are aliens and they're actively working with governments at all, then ours, the Russians and the Chinese would be the only ones they'd give a fuck about. Let's be honest. There's not the rest of the countries or the rest of the world all kind of just follows us. The oils, if you're an alien race, the oils, oh, look at those cute guys in their coal. Right.

But beyond that, yeah, I think if I don't, again, I'm pretty skeptical when it comes to alien stuff. But if aliens are visiting Earth, then yeah, I would have said if they're working with humans at all, then yeah, they're probably working with governments. And when I say skeptical about the aliens thing, it's really one of two things. Either we're so far away and technology so, like, look at where we're at now. Maybe 100 years from actually some sort of interstellar travel and we're also maybe 20 years from completely wiping ourselves out. I was thinking a 20-year-old kid with a million dollars can buy CRISPR and sit there and make jeans in his fucking base. Fuck, do we ain't looking the long left on this rock, bro. We got fucking AI.

Do you hear what they did with that fruit fly? They took the fruit fly brain, put it in a computer of physics engine, and it's all running around and flying like it's real. They maxed headroomed this fruit fly. They chopped its brain in little pieces. Well, now they got it playing Beat Sabre and fucking Doom and all this other shit. And you ever read the book, I have no mouth, but I must scream. At the very end, it's like these aliens genetically manipulating people.

And at the end, there's this person that it's just like a blob. And that's what it says. I have no mouth, but I feel the earth to scream. Imagine being a fruit fly with my balls itch. I press the balls itch button. It's beat saber. It's like, fuck. That fruit fly is going to suffer more than any other animal in the history of humanity

from kids pulling the wings off a fly. Oh, just set that brain to experience 10,000 years of me ripping its wings off. And here we are. We're doing it right now. We're doing that shit right now that they're ripping the wings, but beat saber and shit. That thing suffered. So anyway, my point is as a species, as we look at going out into the stars, we're also guttural as fuck.

a species has to get through a lot of, has a lot of hurdles to jump. Right. But if they jump those hurdles, there ain't no way we're not going to be impressive. We're not going to be attractive because the universe is dead, man. So it's dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead life. Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead life. They're going to look at us. So I have basically two sides of the coin on that is on the one.

I'm pretty skeptical of them getting it going. But if they did getting it going, well, yeah, they'd come around. Yeah, I don't know that they would be like. us. Like our idea is like that we're so violent and we develop these weapons. We do that. We're so close to destroying ourselves. What if that's a factor of accelerated evolution? What if that's a factor of you take intellect and this lust for technology and to transform its environment and you implant that in a territorial primate? Yeah, I mean, yeah. Like you're dealing with like a weird hybrid of an evolved species, like an evolved species that still maintains this tribal, primitive

behavior, but also has this incredible lust for innovation. No, I could see that. So we're like too complicated because we're not good. Yeah, we did. We're shit design. Yeah, we grew out of our, too big one direction, I follow. And yeah, that's a good possibility. I mean, it's ultimately, my brain on these things ends up thinking about.

the probability of all these different things happen. It seems to me if we were genetically manipulated by aliens, even not if we weren't genetically manipulated by aliens, one of the things you have to do to get off of the rock is going to have to be a curious species, right? That's something, otherwise they don't give a fuck. They're going to have to be social because they're going to have to work together

or they're going to have to be godlike in and of themselves. So there's a few things that we can't assume about them. But yeah, we only have one example of intelligence evolving. And if it didn't evolve, if it was created, like you're saying, then we don't really know. We have multiple examples. Well, we have dolphins and orcas. Yeah, we have a hard time. Well, we have a hard time.

We have a hard time, like you were saying earlier, we have a hard time understanding them. They might be extremely intelligent in a lot of ways, but there's a lot of things. They might not be the least bit intelligent. A raccoon might be way better. It probably is way better at manipulating its environment than a dolphin. Of course. So at that point. Because it's not necessary in their world.

They move through 3D space. Exactly. So but then so their brain might not even have developed certain things that we. Right. Yeah. So then the question is that it develops something else. Like is their form of communication superior? That's.

See, that's where really like the words like, what is. What's the end goal? Is the end goal to have a good life or is the end goal to get off the rock? I mean, if the end goal is to have a good life, Ari Matheson's got it nailed when he talks about the people on the love on the spectrum. They're way happier than all the rest of us are. Ari Maddie, excuse me. But the love on the spectrum, or excuse me, is it about happiness or is it about survival? Is it about getting off the, what's the end goal? It's like, well, is the end goal collective for the human species to evolve and advance and move past the state that we're at now?

Or is your own individual existence and your happiness currently? Like what's important? And we don't really move collectively as individual. We think we do things collectively, but we think about ourselves. Yeah. You know, when people are like planning for their retirement, they're not like trying to help out the human race. They're like trying to provide for themselves. That's correct.

other side, like when I'm working on doing research and you do a lot of research, you'll probably understand this yourself, or when GSP invents the Superman punch, it's like when you bring something new to the world, you kind of feel cool, you know, you kind of feel like I've just contributed to the grand total of human thinking, and I didn't just add like a dot or something, I actually, I contribute. So you could see where almost like a subconscious desire to do that. So yeah, it is weird It's like, you know, we do

You watch birds fly together and fish Move into school and then you watch mobs It's like, dude, there is some sort of unimine That's tying us together And I'm not trying to get all metaphysical It might not be nothing more than Than pheromones and chemicals But something's got us where

People act You can feel it at times You can walk into a room and feel the fucking energy And just know, oh, I shouldn't be in this room These people don't like me This guy, it's not And it's not necessarily like a metaphysical thing, although that's the branch, the stamp that everybody puts on.

It's one of the unfortunate things is that if something becomes, like water dowsing. If something starts as a metaphysical thing, science is going to knee-jerk to the end of time to resist it. But ask anybody who drills wells about dowsing. If they drill wells for a fucking living, they douse, period. Just like a cop knows that full-moon fever is a thing. The scientist, well, full-moon fever statistically, the cop's like, yeah.

What do you think is going on with dowsing? Honestly, I think it's Remember when we used to have tube TVs Everywhere and you'd walk down the street and you'd know your friend was watching TV because you could feel the fucking hair on the back of your next stand-up or whatever? No.

You never felt the electromagnetic feeling of a tube TV? No? I didn't walk by my friend's house and know he was watching TV. No. Did you ever, you were able to walk into a room and know that that tube TV was on? You don't remember like the... God, I don't remember that.

Well, I know that a lot of the viewers are remembering. It's a thing. I'm sure if Jamie looks it up. You could feel the energy of the TV? You can feel the old tube TVs, you could feel them. And they don't have an exact reason. But, you know, it's electromagnetic and maybe there's iron in your blood. And so this dowsing, it's like with rods, those twisty rods, and they move together when you're getting close to.

Walking over a water source, yeah, they just do this. Do you think it really works? According to the guys that make money off of it, it does. And I wouldn't, I mean. Has anybody tried to do a study on why that would work? They, that's where, um, the only things I've seen were pretty skeptical and pretty kind of just like it doesn't work. But, um, again, that's kind of where the rubber meets the road. It's like it seems like that would be easy to prove.

You'd think so. Like you get a dowser. Yeah. Well, that's the thing is that they, science wants everybody to be able to do it. You know what I mean? They want to be able to, we're going to get 50 people together and have them all go out in the field and douse. You would take a, someone's good at it. So CRT sets used a high-voltage flyback transformer and magnetic deflection system to sweep an electron beam across the screen.

Those parts commonly vibrated around the horizontal scan frequency, roughly 15 to 16 kilohertz in many TV standards, creating a very high, thin tone. Children and young adults tend to hear high frequencies better, so they were especially likely to walk into a house or pass a closed door and immediate no the TV was running. Oh. Static charge of belief that as well. That's interesting that children and younger adults can pick it up. They also see ghosts. Yeah. This might be what a difference.

You're just a few years older than it means, so you might not remember it as well. Maybe. Maybe people just get duller over time and they can't feel it anymore. Well, these don't use those transformers and all that high. Right. Of course. These are a joke by comparison. But my point is there's things like this that we,

we can pick up on. There's things that we pick up on that we can be tested. And honestly, I love psychology, although psychology just like archaeology is not a science. I don't care when, anything that self-reported is not a fucking science. You think Epstein told his shrink what he was up to? Fuck no.

Okay, there you go. So, but psychology does have some scientific bits. And one of the things, though, is ultimately it's the lens that all of it comes through. Everything that we do comes down through that psychological lens. Like me talking earlier about it taking 100 years for them to reconcile gradualism and catastrophism. It's all through here. And it's all through the zeitgeist of the time. Like right now, racism's the big thing and all this social programs.

So that becomes part of science for whatever fucking reason. I mean, I'll still never forget the time I saw the article about feminist math. And I just wanted to fucking. What was it? Feminist math. You know, it's that. With that. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't really know. I guess seven's more pointing and six has a whole. So probably the other way. And at any rate, I just laughed. We don't have room for that shit in science.

The whole point of science, I say this a bunch. The whole point of science is to like, the whole point of the scientific method is to strip individual biases away. This is why replicability is so fucking important. Because if I do it and you do it and you don't get the same result as me, there's a problem. It's weird when it gets into racial differences.

And they just ignore it completely. And they call the data racist. Oh, yeah. That's exactly what. And then the guys that are like openly racist, they love that data. Well, the weird thing about the data being racist is it's not white supremacist at all because Asians are doing way better. Yeah, exactly. But you don't want to talk about that.

Right. That's like the problem is the people that aren't doing as well. The problem is that they're, in my opinion, is they're trying to take Marxism and turn it into anything besides a monetary bull. shit idea. You try to do it while at a social level? Social Marxism? Oh, come on, dude. This is how you get the oppression Olympics. You know, I've got it worse. You know how much money I had to spend to get custody of my kid? And I had no social programs for me. Oh, what was me? And you go on to that shit forever. It's so stupid. You know, 95% of the people that are shot in this country by the cops are men. Do we need a men's lives matter movement? Or is that a little fucked up? Okay. But it's,

Well, it's also men are the ones who create most of the violence. They're the ones that need to get shot. Well, my thinking is like this. When a cop shoots a person, he shoots a guy, he feels more threatened than he does by a woman. And when he shoots a black guy, he feels more threatened than he does by a white guy. Now, whether that's racism or personal experience or town by town difference, whatever, at the end of the day, just saying this is pure racism is like, okay, well, then this is pure sexism, right? Oh, no, it's not pure sexism when they're shooting guys, but it's when they're black.

I mean, in all honesty, Donald Trump has a higher chance of being shot by the cops wrongly than Kamala Harris. That's statistically, like, way more likely, like 20 times more likely. In terms of men getting shot more than women, period. White guys are 20 times more likely to get shot by the cops wrongly than a black woman. Right, and that's not denying racism or denying sexism. It's just you're dealing with statistics. What I'm trying to do is take the – I only bring these up because – as so many people bring up these statistics to say, this is a problem and this is a problem and this is a problem and that's what would you bring up this one that's just overwhelmingly.

It's like all of a sudden we look at things differently now. It's the social Marxism thing. It's like and it's also there's like a currency in being oppressed. There's a currency in recognizing oppression. There's a currency in signaling virtue that you recognize oppression that other people don't, you know, admitting your whatever, whatever biases. Gravel on the floor. Whatever, you know, white. I'm so sorry.

Whatever privilege you may have. Yeah. Land acknowledgements, all that crazy stuff. It's like, you know, it's trying to be good people, but we're doing it in a way that points at everybody else like they're bad. That's exactly it. And that's where it gets real squarely because people are using the premise of being a good person to be really shitty to people that don't deserve it. Oh, yeah. You know, and they don't do anything on their own.

Like, they're going to tell me that I should be doing X, Y, or Z. But, like, Kansas University recently, like, put out this big thing about how they feel so bad for living on indigenous land. You know, you're going to give it back? Thank you. No, they didn't give it back. You know what? They ain't even repatriated all the bones that they've got that they're supposed to repatriated in 1990. I've only been to one place where I saw an actual land disclosure, and it was at the South by Southwest premiere of the 80s.

of disclosure. And I thought this was so hilarious. There is a documentary about us being invaded by aliens. And before they play the documentary, they have to acknowledge that someone invaded this land and took it from the natives. And this is the ancestral tribal land of the tongue, whatever tribes they said. We must acknowledge this first. Like, wouldn't you play the movie? This isn't a history lesson.

Isn't a struggle session. Play the fucking movie. It's literally about us getting invaded by aliens. Yeah. And this is supposed to make it like... Better. You're a good person because you acknowledge this. Aw.

Aww. All right. I got to wrap this up. Your thing is give out the dates. Tell everybody. It's October 16th through 18th. The Quest for Ancient Civilizations Conference at the ACL Live. It's right here in Austin.

It should be a banger of a time. It's going to be amazing. I'm sure it's going to be awesome. All those people there, Randall Carlson. Yeah. Billy Carson, who else? Yeah, whole bunch. Kurt Metzger and Duncan Trussel together.

That's Duncan Trussell on test and doing deadlift for 10 years. David Childeris, great cast of people, awesome times. David Chilers is a really good dude, man. What do they do to you, man? They made you look great, too. Well, you know, it's AI. You look like Alan Watts. I look like somebody else in Thailand.

I almost Amish. You look very odd. Either way. Thanks like a good old time. You sound just like the chicks at the bar last night, Joe. The problem with the fucking AI, you don't have to do that or do it, do it and do it right. I say it to everybody. I actually had a production team, or I wanted to like get me to sign up to do, you know, for them to help produce for me and stuff.

And when I told them that I was not going to have any AI videos, no AI clipping, no AI thumbnails and certainly no AI communicating with my followers. They're like, we'll have to get back to you on the price. I'm like, yeah, I just took your toolbell, didn't I? They wanted to be easy. Yeah, I could buy AI too. Anyway, thank you, Joe. Always good to see you, brother. You too, man.

Thanks, Jamie. Everybody.