The Joe Rogan Experience - #2566 - Cody Tucker

Episode Date: October 15, 2026

Cody Tucker is the host of "The Cody Tucker Show" and "Rewind and Repeat with Cody Tucker" podcasts and author of "And Now You Know: Mind-Blowing Stories from History and Pop Culture." His new book, "Where Did That Come From?: The Hidden History of Everyday Words and Phrases," is available now.https://a.co/d/0buvONu8https://www.youtube.com/@thecodytuckershowhttps://www.thecodytucker.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Rogan podcast, checking out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Joe, what's happening? Hey, man. Good to see you, brother. I know. You wrote a book.

Look at you. You're a fucking author. A second one. Oh, is your second book? Yeah, I remember the last time I was here. Oh, that's right. That's right. Where did that come from?

I still, I mean, I marvel at your Instagram page. Your Instagram page is excellent. It's one of the best ones I follow, for sure. But I just marvel at the fact that you're constantly able to create content. Like these non-sequitur, very bizarre facts and strange coincidences. Like, how the fuck are you doing this? Dude, I read so much. And I'm a pretty quick reader.

Like, I've always been very fast, like, a good skimmer. And, yeah, I just, like, all day, every day. That's all I do. So you read, and then you go, oh, that one's crazy. And you just write it down? Yeah, so like whatever I'm reading, like I say, I'm reading a book on, like Ben Franklin. Anything that comes up, I'm like, oh, that's pretty interesting. I don't think a lot of people know about that.

Highlight. And then I go through, piece altogether, check and make sure it's all, you know, real. And, yeah, and then dive into other things off of that, like kind of spider web out and go down rabbit holes. I'm in a perpetual rabbit hole. Constantly. All day, every day, rabbit holes. What is that like? It can get weird.

Yeah. I mean, there's some times where I'm like, ooh, I hope, you know, I hope the FBI is enjoying what they're seeing because, good Lord. Like, I didn't want to be here today, but, yeah, it can get a little odd, yeah. Yeah, because you're constantly, like, researching crimes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Murders, weird things that have been done to people over time. Speaking, you know the Debbie Harry story.

Well, that she thinks may have. I don't know if I buy it. Really? Tell people what it is. Okay, so Ted Bundy one. So, yeah, so Debbie Harry believes that sometime in the early 70s or late 60s that she was picked up by a man driving a Volkswagen Beetle and that that car didn't have indoor handles and she escaped and she believes that it was Ted Bundy. But if you look it up like on, you know, like a timeline of events, he was not anywhere around there at that time. So it could just be another guy doing creepy things, you know.

When there's one, there's many, you know. Yeah, I'm sure that's not the first time a guy's figured out a way to close off the handles in the inside of his car. Oh, it won't be the last. Trap people. Yeah, I'm working on it right now. I watched a video today where this young man in India robbed a guy with scopolamine. What the hell's that? Okay.

I'm so glad I get to tell you something that you don't know. Oh, yeah, I don't. If it's science-related or anything like that, I'm probably not going to know anything. It's crime related as well. Scopolamine is a drug that is, I guess it's in the class of delirient. And if inhaled, you literally become like a prisoner to whoever gave you the drug. Like you become like a zombie. Really?

Yeah. It is like a zombie drug. Not only is it real, but it's also the active ingredient in anti-seasickness medication. So when you take drugs. I'm the captain now. Drama mean. Ha! Yeah.

Look at me. That's what he was doing. They blew it right in Hanks his face. Scopalamine is one of the ingredients in dromamine. Oh. So I don't know. I guess it's a very small dose, but in a larger dose. So this guy, this young guy came up behind this guy in India and he put it on his neck.

And the guy touches his neck. And then all of a sudden he just keeps touch his neck. And the guy just takes his bag off of them, takes his wallet out of his pocket, takes his phone out of his other pocket and walks off. And the guy's just standing there just helpless. Lost and helpless. That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard? Yeah. That's like.

That's so crazy. God. What do they refer to it as? There's a devil's breath? Devil's breath. That's right. In Columbia, the drug dealers use it to force people to do things. Yeah, okay.

They blow it in their face. And when you inhale it, it's like the, the drug dealers. It's like they literally just come up to you. Right. Where have I seen that in a movie? There was a zombie movie a long time ago. Serpent and the Rainbow? That's right.

That's right. Yeah, a great movie. I'm so glad we just brought that up. I forgot about that movie. Yeah, Serpent in the Rainbow is on my... I used to watch that all the time when I was a kid. Well, they think that that might be a part of the whole zombie lore that's copolymone news. Okay.

Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, it's apparently, like, see if there's any videos of people getting dosed with scopolamine? Because I didn't know that people did it to rob people. And this guy in India, he just, like, touched some of it on this guy's neck. Right, right. He was standing behind him, and he was looking at the guy's bag and, you know, looking the guy over, the guy's waiting across the street.

And he just reaches and touches the side of his neck with it. Oh, so it's potent as ill. potent as hell. Man. Well, he didn't go unconscious. Yeah, yeah. He immediately was just like, what the hell? And then he was just like, just delirious, just moving around weird.

And the guy just took his shit. I wonder where you buy that? That's a good question. Maybe you shouldn't search that either. Well, I search worse. What's that, Jane? There's patches of it for motion sickness. Yeah, motion sickness.

But, like, how many patches do you have to take before? Someone could just steal your wallet? That's a question. Do you have to, like, mummophone? Right. I know. Right, what do you have to do? Maybe that's where mummies go.

Yeah. I, uh... Is there any videos of people... All the videos I'm fucking on YouTube are literally like the patches and, like, people putting them on their neck. There is a Vice documentary from 14 years ago. Mm. But it's in Columbia. Boy, 14 years ago, Vice was the shit.

Oh, man. Did you ever watch the cannibal warlords of Liberia? Liberia, yeah. Yeah, about General Butt naked. Yes. Oh, my God. That's... I've recommended that probably more than I've ever recommended anything in my life.

It's so terrifying that they did that. And that guy just became a preacher and all is forgiven. He was eating kids. Yeah, eating their hearts. Yeah. Like saving the heart because of being invincible. Cutting it right out of their chest while they're alive and then eating their heart. And then he found Jesus and all is forgiven.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess that is what it says in there. What a great place to live, though, in terms of like actual real forgiveness. Very few places. give you that kind of leeway. Oh, you found Jesus? But didn't he caught a guy serving human meat. Yes.

Like a guy was serving it, like on a stick, you know? While he was a preacher. Right, right. He tasted it and was like, uh-oh, I know this taste. Yeah. And reported him. Yeah, and it was true. Yeah, a guy was killing people and just, you know,

turning them into like a luncheoner. Yeah, Liberia is a fucked up place. So do you know the story of Liberia? About, like, James Monroe? Or is that Liberia or is that Libya? No, Liberia. Liberia was like a colony that was going to be, you know, like take basically all slaves back to this spot. And that's why the capital is Monrovia, because it's named after James Monroe.

Right. Yeah. So, I mean, it was literally founded with chaos. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we completely screwed that one up. We fucked that whole country up. What a shock.

That general butt naked guy would literally take its fucking clothes off, fully naked. and run into battle with an AK-47. And a machete. Yeah. Normally, you just use the machete. Which... Hoo. Yeah.

I don't think it would have the same effect if I did that. But naked? Yeah. With a machete? No, I don't think your idea is. Well, that's probably true. Actually, yeah, it'd probably be even more effective than now. It's a lot of fear.

A lot of fear coming off of you. A lot of meat. A lot of meat. A.K. 47. Not a lot of speed, though. Not a lot of speed. Actually, I'm faster than you. a lot of momentum.

Oh yeah, once I start, I can't have you stopped. I mean, no, I'm faster than you think. You know, all jokes aside. Do you run? Well, if I have to. But how do you know then? Well, it was last time you had to run away from something? So you know how, like, when you're not running,

you're not moving, you're storing energy. Okay. You know, like, there's kinetic energy and potential energy. This is all I know about science, really is about this. When you're not moving, you're storing energy? Well, of course, you're napping. Well, yeah, because if you're doing something, you're expelling energy. Right.

So there must be storing some whenever you're doing nothing. Like, if I eat and do nothing, I'm building up energy that's ready to go. Well, I've been doing that for about 15 years. So the amount of energy I have stored up is probably second to none. I don't think that would work in a study. I think if you did a study, I think they'd probably have some other explanations as to what's happening when you just sit still. If I paid the right person, I'd get the results I wanted. That's true.

That's what's crazy. Yeah, I know. When you find out that we had one of these guys that was on our podcast that was a litigator for these lawsuits against pharmaceutical drug companies and is explaining how pharmaceutical drug companies do their peer-reviewed studies. Oh, I'm sure that's. Oh, it's so crazy. So first of all, there's no transparency.

So like say if you have a drug that you want to release, you could do 10 studies and eight of them show this is complete bullshit. But one or two of them show just some sort of statistically significant improvement in something because you've kind of manipulated all the different controls and the study to make it. Then you get once you have this, if it's peer reviewed, the scientists do not get to look at the actual. data. They get to look at the pharmaceutical drug companies scientists version of what the study was. Okay. So they only get to use what their, like, so if they have scientists that perform this study, then these scientists submit a report, and then that report gets reviewed by, it gets peer reviewed. Not the actual data. Okay. So like no one ever gets to see the actual study. So that's one of the reasons that they can say crazy things like it's a hundred percent effective right right in in

stopping death and illness so when they say it's a hundred percent effective you know how they say that so if you have one person in the control group or or two one person in the vaccine group or the medication group and that person dies and then you have a control group where two people die well a hundred percent more died in the control group where they're that they're They didn't get the medication. Right. So that means it's 100% effective. I'm not bullshitting.

Oh, boy, that's a... Isn't that wild? You've got to reach that kind of bullshit. Sociopathy. That's amazing. That's sociopathy where you're delivering medication that could potentially kill people. And that's how you get things like Viox. Yeah.

See, that's the job I need. Because I'm very good at that kind of thing. Get it moving words around. Oh, yeah, yeah. I can make all kinds. I mean, I've been hired at every job I've ever applied to was zero experience in that field. And so, and it was just because I lied.

Really? Yeah. Well, like, what kind of jobs have you had? Oh, it's nothing crazy. I've never been like a doctor or anything. But, I mean, it was, you know, working like at an eyeglass place or, you know, or a movie theater, you know, like, I've worked at movie theaters for years. So I've never, no.

I just lie. Well, a movie theater, no one's going to get hurt. Well, no, I've never worked in a position where people, I did work in a pharmacy. I guess that could get people hurt. Did you say you had a degree? No, I said I was on my way to getting one. Which I guess technically is true.

Sure. I mean, anyone, you're on my way. You just haven't started. Speaking of that, how does this happen when the CIA guy that stole all that money? How does he lie about his past to get through the CIA to a point where he can then lie about a fake operation where he steals 150 people? million dollars. So he faked a college degree and he faked his military service and got into the CIA and was a senior CIA official. How? Well, they didn't check. They did the Cody Tucker. No. No, he just didn't keep a straight face. I mean, he kept the straight face. That's all you got to do.

That guy's wild. What a wild fella. He must have been. Please tell me some cocaine involved in here somewhere. Oh, there has to. He's got luxury watches, 35 luxury watch, two B.M. Well, there's your answer to the cocaine question. Private charter flights, he spent 1.8 million. Woo! Oh, yeah. Luxury Florida real estate in Palm Beach. But also, he's just got caught.

There's no way he came up with this out of a vacuum and just was like, I got an idea. I can take advantage of the CIA in this cool way. Right. I feel like I can do it. Well, there's no way he's the only one. That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's where all those stories about like the dude from the Tom Cruise movie, what the fuck's his name again? Georgia. No, the Coke dealer. Oh, thank you. Was it American Maine? Is that movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Mina Arkansas story. Yes. This guy was working for the CIA going down to Columbia, getting cocaine, flying it into Mina, Arkansas, dropping it off. And, you know, he got busted with it, and then Bill Clinton had him released. That's in the movie. Well, I mean, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that was his M.O. quite a bit. Well, I think the CIA and I, I think the CIA and I. I think probably a lot of the big government organizations. Is this the guy's gold? This is the gold in the cash he had in his house. The $3 million in cash and $40 million in gold bars or so. It looks fake.

Like it just looks like a movie. It looks like a prop. Yeah. Well, it's also like the perfect box. Those might be like, is that how they founded or is this like how the government storing it? Probably how they stored it and then took a picture of it. Because those look like, you know, government pelican boxes.

I mean, maybe it was the ones he bought because I don't know. I feel like if I had that. I'd probably store it pretty nicely. Right. I'd have like LED lights around it and shit. Take off all my clothes and dance in front of it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Those could be ones in there and I'd still do that.

It'd be like, you know, pole fiction. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That yellow, like old light. Yeah. Yeah. He had 30 watches, many of which were Rolexes. Well, congrats. There's a plug for Rolex.

Two 2026 BMW Alpinas. Those are the really nice ones. who he's scheduled to be sentenced January 28th 2027 faces a maximum penalty of 20 years

in prison three years to supervise release forfeiture restitution and a fine a fine yeah

meanwhile they should probably rehire him and go hey buddy how'd you do this I feel like that's worth it

20 years to get to live that life oh he probably had a ball I wonder how long he was doing it for no it didn't

really say that did it I mean even if it was like 10 years, you know, 10 years of awesomeness versus 20 years of, you know, prison, I feel like, is like a fair trade. He probably would have never gotten that awesomeness without that crime. So you've got to, and then, like, maybe he goes to, like, a fairly, I mean, it's not like he did violent crimes. He's probably not going to go to the worst kind of prison. No, no, no, no, no. Not going to go to a supermax.

They'll probably put him in some medium security where he gets to read and go do exercises. Yeah. He could take courses. The Martha Stewart Prison. Yeah. Or the fucking Gleine Maxwell prison. Oh, yeah. She's kind of in the same prison, right?

Yeah, that's probably, yeah, end up somewhere like that. I think I would do it. Isn't she in the same prison as that Elizabeth Holmes lady? The Theranos lady? Hilarious. Oh, I can't wait to say that. A sex trafficker and a lady who lied about blood tests. I haven't seen the documentary.

It's not out yet, right? I don't think. It comes up this week. Okay. I cannot wait. He's great. Oh, he's excellent. He's excellent.

He's amazing, which I didn't really know about him until, like, pretty recently. So I've been doing, like, kind of a, you know, deep dive into just his old, you know, stuff, like, on the show. And it is, he's amazing. He's hilarious and just so clever. The way he's holding his gaze with her in that, that little clip is just, her face is just wild. You got to just, you know, like, we all have empathy for people. Like, shit. I mean, I don't think she killed anybody.

So the thing is, here's the problem. When you're dealing with health stuff and you're lying about health tests, you could have killed people. Because there could have been a guy who had a condition and the condition was not revealed by your Fagasy blood test. Right. And if he had gone to a real doctor like a quest diagnostics and get the whole thing done, they would have said, oh, geez, we have to get you in and we have to do some further tests. Oh, it looks like this is elevated. We have some medication. You're going to be okay.

He could have, you know, like there could be some people that took those tests that wound up not knowing about cancer that they had. There could have been a bunch of things where people actually did die. So I take that back. But tradeoff, she also could have told people that they had a bad disease, horrible disease. And then they are in deep despair. They go to get a follow up and find out they never had it. And now they have a new lease on life. All right.

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I think there were, I listened to, there's an excellent podcast. You know, there's podcasts like this one where obviously, we didn't even talk before we came in here. We just sat down, shoot the shit. I know you, you know me. We're going to have fun. Oh, yeah. But then there's other podcasts that are like really well produced, like Radio Lab, which is like a super well-produced. Or like Dan Carlin's Hardcore History.

where he takes months to prepare for each episode. We're barely doing the same thing. I'm not really, they should have a much more elegant name to whatever it is that they do. But they had one, I think it's called The Dropout. And I forget who produced it, but it's all about the Elizabeth Holm story. From the beginning of Serenos to her scammie ex-boyfriend,

who was also The Dropout, ABC Audio. It's excellent. I can't recommend it enough. It's fucking really good. And it just goes into a long detail about what was going on and how much they knew it was bullshit. Right. It was bullshit. Like, these people weren't learning anything about what was wrong with them.

It didn't work. And they got people big investors. I think Warren Buffett, he might have dumped $100 million in there. These people dumped big money in. Yeah. One lady dumped 150 in there. 150 million? Yeah.

And that money's gone. You know, so, like, that lady when she gets out, her life is in danger. You know, like, she's fucked. Oh, I would do horrible things to people for far less money. $150 million. And you find out, the problem is it's like, it seemed like such a great story. You have this woman who's a super genius, basically the female, Steve Jobs. She even dresses like him

And she is the most successful Self-made woman in history Yeah She was worth $9 billion at one point in time If only Crazy Yeah It's a crazy story

It is amazing I mean just what a horrible human being But it's also just like Jamie said Like how did it get that far Like Jamie said with the CIA guy How the fuck did you fake all those things How did you fake your military career How do they not check that

I feel like oversight is much more prevalent than what people think. Lack of. Lack of oversight. Yes. People usually aren't very good at their jobs, just in general. Like, you know, anytime you work with somebody, you realize, oh, none of us know what we're doing here. And I think that doesn't stop at a certain level.

I think most people are just barely able to do their job. Especially in government. Oh, in government, I mean, good Lord. That's the problem is. A lot of these jobs don't need to exist. That's one of the weird statistics about California. When California is experiencing this mass exodus, its government grew substantially. Substantially.

So they're creating jobs. Right, right. This administration has created over 100,000 jobs. They don't tell you how many of those are completely unnecessary government jobs. And so to justify those government jobs, they have to do all kinds of crazy things. things, like come up with new regulations and constantly, like, trying to enforce new laws and tell you it's to protect clean air or clean water or the environment or climate change. Yeah.

Yeah, no, if you can make your own jobs, I mean, you can have an endless supply of jobs. Sure. If you are running a government and you decide to regulate some particular aspect of society and then hire a bunch of people to oversee that, then you have new jobs. Yeah, you have an entire committee. Yeah. And everybody in that committee has their, you know, person, it's just a pyramid scheme. Exactly.

Which really is, it's like multi-level marketing. But the thing you're selling is even more bullshitty than what most MLMs are selling. Well, it's even scarier because a lot of these bullshity things, they sell it to the general public under the guys, under this premise that you're going to help people who are in need. Like the homeless situation in California, where they've burned through $24 billion. And Gavin Newsom vetoes and audit of it. Because what they'll find out is that money probably went to a bunch of nonprofits and probably went to a bunch of NGOs. And there was probably a bunch of people that were executives that got paid high six-figure salaries working there. And they have no incentive whatsoever to fix this problem.

No. You got a nice house in Santa Monica. You got a mortgage. You're driving around in a Lexus. Why would you fix that? No, people don't police themselves. Typically, once they get to a certain level, I think, you know, the average person does. You know, they choose to maybe drive the speed limit, even if there's not a cop around or whatever.

But I think once you get to a certain level when there's that much money involved, yeah, you'll usually just kind of do whatever the hell you want. Especially if you're in government. Yeah, that's amazing. Or you're in a CIA. You're the guy that is going to stop you. Yeah. So, like, if, oh, you mean I'm the guy who's supposed to bust me? I don't think so.

Right. And you're literally, like, you're part of the intelligence agency. and you've got a closet in your house filled with gold and $100 bills and cocaine. That'd be nice. You've got 30 Rolexes. Yeah. You're falling out of control. Yeah.

I'm not slowing that down. Why would he slew down? No, no. They probably feel like, okay, I'm going to make one big score and then I'm going to get out. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's heat. Yeah. This is our last one.

Michael Douglas was in here yesterday. I heard. It was great. And one of his crazy. stories was his dad, you know, when he turned 18, his dad basically said, look, I'm going to write you a check for $10,000 and then that's it. You're cut off. And so the way he fund, and he was like, but I have a, I have student loans, I have this and stuff. So the way he funded his education is he was smuggling marijuana. Like huge suitcases. And this is pre-TSA. So he's literally

like coming into the country with suitcases filled with marijuana. And he only did it. He did it twice. He did it twice. How do you do it just twice? That's what I said. I'm like, what willpower you have? But he said, I just, he goes, it was so crazy and so nerve-wracking. It was so much adrenaline and worried about getting caught. But he made a bunch of money, and that's how he financed everything. That's amazing. He produced, didn't he produce one flow of the cuckus nest? He did with Credence, Clearwater Revivals, money. So the manager of John Fogarty, John Fogarty talked about it on the podcast. That guy was a scumbag, and he was like, Steve. stealing his money.

Yeah, he sued him for sounding too much like himself. It's amazing. John Fogger, do you sound too much like John Fogger? When he left Credens and started his own band as like you sound too much like Credent's like, bitch, I wrote all the songs. What do you want from me? Of course I do. You want me to make a reggae album?

I mean, yeah. So, Credence Clearwater Revival's money financed One Flew Over the Cougars Nest. That's amazing. Yeah. I did not know the CCR connection. I knew that he produced it. Because I remember watching One Flew Over the Cougars Nest. I was like, well, that hell is Michael Douglas' name on this?

And he's not even in it. And then I was like, oh, yeah, he wasn't even really an actor at that point. He was trying to act. And what was going on was that his father had acquired the rights to the book. Yeah, from Ken Kesey. Yes. Right. Yeah. Yes.

Yeah. So Ken Kesey from the Kool-Aid acid test from, you know, the whole Timothy Leary, tune in, dropout, all that jazz. Discovering the Grateful Dead. Yeah. All those people. So he writes the book. And then they're trying to get it made. They can't get it made.

and then Michael Douglas says, give me a shot at this. I think he just becomes enthrall with the project. Quits his job on streets of San Francisco, which is a hugely popular television show. So here's this guy. He's a television actor, and at the same time, he wins an Academy Award for producing a film.

That's so crazy. Crazy. It's right up your alley. Yeah. It's your type of... Oh, I love anything like that. I mean... Yeah.

It's like a Mel Brooks produced The Elephant Man, and he wanted his name taking off the credits because he didn't want people think it was a comedy. He did? Yeah. So, yeah, like the elephant man with John Hurt and Anthony Hopkins. Yeah, he produced it because he just loved the story of John Merrick, I think, was his name. Yeah.

Yeah, just loved his story and wanted to have a movie, have the movie made. Wow. And he's like, God, I mean, if my name's at the beginning of this, Mel Brooks presents the elephant man, people are going to think it's like, you know, making fun of him. Right, right, right. Yeah, he can't. Yeah. But he still wanted to do it and did it.

That's cool. That's cool that he did that, and then it took his name off it. Yeah, it's one of my favorite movies, all time. Love that movie. It's a great movie. What movie do you think you've seen the most if you had to guess? Unfortunately, John Wick. Oh, okay.

Because I watch it when I work out sometimes. It's a great motivation. Oh, okay. It's a good revenge movie. Yeah. You know, it gets you hyped. No, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. Just curious. Yeah, but it's not like, I don't think. it's the best movie ever. Well, you think it's the best movie ever? Like if an alien came down and was like, I want to see one movie to know what y'all are about. You know, I don't think I have a favorite movie.

But one of the movies that I've seen, a modern movie that I've seen, multiple times, is ex machina. Because I feel like that is, I think that's the future. I really do. I feel like a version of this. that is in our future.

And this is a film that came out. Was Ex Machina like 2017, 18? I was earlier in that, like 11? Was it? 2011, 2013 maybe? 2014. 14. So when that film came out, I remember very distinctly going, oh, my God, like, this is

going to happen. Like, this is not science fiction. This is just, they're just predicting the future. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, it says it released in 2015. Oh, okay. Oh, okay.

Oh, it wasn't released in America first? Well, it's not an American film. I mean, it's in English, but like... It says 2014 here, and then here it says USA 2015. So it just was released probably in Cannes or something. Yeah, at the end of the year or something. Right. Yeah, because in Can't, you know, they'll release it during that film festival, and technically it'll be...

It is a phenomenal, phenomenal fucking movie. It's so good. It's so good. She's incredible. She's incredible and like you love her. You love her and she's a robot. And the like spoiler alert, the heartless way that she like leaves

that guy trapped in that movie to starve to death and trapped in that room to starve to death Yeah. It's just like, whoa. Like has nothing. There's nothing in there. It's all fake. Agrile and Poe. Yeah. Cascua Montiado leaves him. Yeah. It's...

But it's also There's these weird like the what's his name Oscar Isaac who's phenomenal as well who plays the super genius guy like there's something about like that super genius character is what we're all dealing with today

like we that wasn't a concern amongst the general public in 2015 we weren't thinking about AI we weren't thinking about the idea that someone could literally have super intelligence and also control the access to data that people at, be able to curate the data, all the stuff that we're seeing with Google and Facebook and

AI and Open AI and all these different companies. That was, I mean, it was like they predicted it brilliantly. Yeah. It's like her. That's a great one that kind of predicts, you know, how people have gone with their AI, you know, people developing relationships with their AI, like the chat GPT, you know, is very weird. I mean, I guess it's kind of harmless in a sense because, you know, what's going to happen.

but like it's just not good for people. It's harmless for you because you're an intelligent person and you would realize that this thing is not real and it's blowing me up and blowing smoke up my ass and giving me therapy. Like, and there's some of those AIs that they'll gaslight you and they'll tell you everything's amazing. You go, boy.

You're kicking ass. That's what I need in line. Because in here it is not that case. It's not the case. I'm not a, you know, you're killing it, buddy. So, no, I use my chaty-d-tip-t to make me feel good sometimes. Have you pump you up? Yeah.

Just like, am I all right? Do you instruct it? Like, what kind of language you like it to use? No, I think it's just figured me out. Just, you know, talk like, you know, talking short words and sentences and, you know, it made me feel all right. So you're going to be okay, Cody. Everything's fine. People love you.

Got a lot of followers. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to hear about that bullshit. But, you know, it's nice to, you know, it's nice to feel good. It is nice to feel good. It is nice to feel good, but they're also convinced you that you should commit suicide. That's happened before, too. Yeah.

I don't think I could be convinced. If I was going to do it, it would be on my own accord. But I'm way too scared for that kind of business. Well, you are guys, like I asked you, I go, oh, you got an Android phone. And you go, yeah, I'm not a sheep. Amen. Yep. Never will always have had an Android.

I mean, that's also just kind of out of laziness, because I just don't want to learn something new. Apple's pretty easy to learn. Yeah. The thing is, though, it is, it's like the Windows, Apple operating system comparison, or even, you know, Unix and Linux if you're into that. But it's that you are very limited by the hardware. The hardware choices are only this one company. Whereas with Android, you can get all kinds of crazy shit.

You can buy unlocked phones from China and use them over here. Yeah. I also just kind of don't care. I don't care about Android or Apple. I don't care what someone has. I mean, I've found that mostly the people who do give a shit are people who, it's always people who have iPhones. They're the ones who look down, like, you know. Oh, 100%.

Like, oh, you have an Android. Yeah. Like, I also don't care. Like, I would be just fine. If I didn't use this as, like, an easy way to read shit, I'd go back to having a damn, you know, a razor, you know, or like some flip phone. Flip phone would be great if it was better at texting. Because I do like texting friends, and it's like texting addresses and information and stuff like. that I think is important.

What was that Parasilton phone? The sidekick. Oh, yeah, yeah. The Parasilton phone. That's what I want. She was in the commercial, I think. Yeah, so that's what I want. Those things are huge.

Those things are so big. Yeah, that's what I want. Well, they do have phones that open sideways that are little flip phones and they have a little tiny keyboard and you can text on them. They do make those still. I wouldn't mind something like that. Yeah, it's not a bad idea. If you just like, I know a few comics, like David Tell, he has a flip phone.

Because they just don't want to be connected to that toxic fucking hive of human thinking. Oh yeah, I get sucked into just doom scrolling as the kids say, you know, all the time. Yeah, yeah, we all do. And I hate that I do it. You know, the thing that keeps me from doing it is if I don't bring it into the toilet. If I keep the phone outside of the bathroom. Yeah. Yeah.

That book will take care of that business for you. That's way better. Wrote it based on the length of the average dump. Did you? Really? Yeah. Calculated it? Well, just, you know, roughly.

If you read the whole book and it takes you a dump, you need to go to a doctor. Oh, no, no, no. I mean, like, well, yeah. Well, some people just like they're alone time. Your legs are going to be numb. Yeah, no. Like, each whole section for the average reading speed is equal to, like, the average dump length.

So you just read that, take a dump, and you learn something and forget it immediately. No, that's smart. How did, I mean, I must have asked you this when you first came on, but I don't remember the answer. How did you start doing this? Had a podcast, just me blabbering about nothing. And at the end, I would like end it with like just a fun story from like the past, you know, called like Half-Ass History. and I would just end it that way and then started clipping it

because one of my friends was like you should just clip that little bit and do like a separate thing and started doing that and then just slowly over time thanks to people like yourself it started to kind of take off because you helped out with that quite a bit

and a lot of but Brian Simpson actually helped out a lot like just sharing it's one of the coolest human beings I love him at death and you know Greg Fitzsimmons who's also amazing guy like you know I just luckily had people see that helped, you know, because otherwise I was just doing it for nobody, which was fine.

Like, I like, I just like making stuff and learning stuff and teaching stuff. What has it been like to watch it get so popular? Has it been weird? Yeah, I don't really, I think mostly because I live in a pretty small town. So I don't like, and I don't go out ever, really. So, like, I don't notice it, like, I'm not getting recognized, you know, and all that kind of business. Right. I guess I have a few times, and it is very weird.

but I just don't really think about it. Like sometimes I'll see like a, because I don't read comments usually, but I'll see somebody follow me and I'm like, holy hell. Like that person knows who I am. Like that's weird. Like Johnny Knoxville the other day. I was like, oh my God, Johnny Knoxville. Like that's, you know, like that's my Michael Jordan.

Like, when I saw it, it's like hard, like you'd be lying if you said like that that didn't make you feel. He's cool as fun. Yeah, and I just, so little things like that will happen where I'm like, oh, this is cool. But otherwise, I'm just kind of like living my life watching Real Housewives and working on videos. But you really watch Real Housewives?

Oh, every day almost. Yeah. I mean, right now I'm in the throng of the Real House of Salt Lake City, which I would highly recommend because there's a lot of Mormon business going on. Oh, yeah. The Mormon business is fascinating. What a weird little group of people. Yeah, so you get that mixed with, you know, drink, throwing, and all that kind of business. Apparently there's a lot of, and this is not a slight on the Mormon religion, don't get me wrong.

But I think this is true amongst Catholics as well. But there's a lot, well, probably many religions. There's a lot of undercover homosexuality. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. So a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, is dating a lady who was in the church from the time she was a young girl, got married and she was 19. and when she was like 35, 36, realized her husband was gay.

And there's a situation later, now they're divorced. And the stories, she tells the stories, you're just like, oh, my gosh. Apparently it's just rampant. Yeah. There's actually a little bit of a situation like that. I'm realizing. Is there? Kind of.

I mean, I guess I shouldn't say the guy's gay. But the rumors are, you know, that he is. There's a husband's, and he's a hairdresser, which immediately makes you think of all. Does he also like musicals? Well, I mean, I think I'll hand in my book, but... Big fan of Cher. Donald Sommer. I'm a big fan of Donna Somer.

Well, all right, well, you're getting there, then. Big Rocky Horror Picture Show film. Right, right, right. Yeah, I just... No, you know, and it kind of seems like you might be, I don't know. I mean, you know, you never really know, but... But I'm sure that is a prevalent thing. I mean, obviously, you know, repressed homosexuality and religion is just pretty rampant, I think, across the board.

Yeah. Just like Baptist. I mean, I grew up around all Baptists, you know, here like in East Texas. Uh-huh. I knew plenty of kids in school that were, you know, get a queers a $3 bill. And they weren't, you know, they weren't out, out and proud. Some of them are now. It's one of the saddest failings of organized religion is the, you know,

the complete absence of embracing gay people. Yeah, because you can embrace someone and not embrace, you know, I mean, I guess there is that whole thing of like, well, I embrace you. I don't embrace the lifestyle. Which feels like a real slide. But also like, why not? Here's the thing. It's like it's the evidence in the Bible, it's all Old Testament stuff, right?

Loveticus and all that business. But you got to look at what else is in Old Testament stuff. First of all, the open condoning of slavery, not just open condoning of slavery, but rules of like who gets the slaves after people die how you treat the slaves it's like there's the bunch of morally abhorrent things that are in there so why is a man shall not layeth with another man like what well and there's also like i mean it's you know not planting crops together not um wearing two different types of cloth like shellfish yeah you don't see protests outside of red lobster no i mean you should but you don't

I mean, I just think it's very bizarre. It's bizarre and stupid. It's never been my cup of tea, just religion in general. I mean, I'm not against people. I think whatever you want to have that makes you feel good. And as long as you're not being an asshole to everybody, that's the problem. I feel like people should have their own thing, you know.

I would like to bring back Greek mythology would be cool. I'd go to a temple and worship Zeus and all them people. Yeah. Like, I enjoy that way more. I mean, I've read the Bible a couple times, and it's nice, but I'm not. Like, I just don't, you know, buy into any of it. Not just Christian. I'm not just trying to attack them, but like anybody, really.

I think they're trying to tell a story. I think it all, I think there's a lot of human influence and there's a lot of stuff in it that people obviously wrote. Like the stuff about slavery. Yeah. The treating women like second class citizens. There's a lot of stuff in it that seems clearly the work of man. But I think the origin of it all is some kind of a documentation of historical events that were incredibly strange. Yeah.

And that they're trying, and you're getting these, like, you're getting a lot of the Gospels were written long after Jesus was dead and they didn't even know Jesus. They had never met him. And so they're attributing words to him. They're saying, so there's that. And then there's also, like, and if you get into the Old Testament, like the weird stuff, like the ages appear. But Moses was like, or Noah. Noah was like 600 years old when he built up. He was like, I think the oldest person in the Bible, I believe is Methuselah.

I mean, yeah, there's. It's fucking Abraham. Abraham was like, you know, hundreds of years old, I believe. Weird shit. And then the flood story and how the flood stories and so many different ancient religious stories. It's the epic of Gilgamesh. Yeah. It's the oldest story there is.

Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah. I just, you know, people like now want to have an answer to something. Like, I'm terrified of death. This is the thing I'm most terrified in the world. Really?

Yeah. You're not afraid of dying? Oh, dying's terrifying. What if something bad happens? I mean, I don't want to die. Go to heck. What if you end up in heck? That'd be horrible.

Heck is hilarious. You clearly live in the South, sir. Yeah, well, it is, I mean, it doesn't sound like fun. and it's going to suck that your family's going to miss you that would bother me the most but it's inevitable everyone's afraid to die

no one's afraid to sleep but you know shut up every night you shut off but do you? Are you in the same timeline? Are you in the same timeline? Do you know if it's even the same life that you're living?

Yes. I don't know if that's true I assume it's true. The plan I made yesterday is happening right now right but that's according to your memory Oh geez Well, not going to my memory. I don't, yeah, I came here.

When you are out, you're gone. When you wake up, you have a pre-existing selection of ideas and memories and all sorts of different things that you just assume you've always been on the same path. But it's not necessarily true. I have like video evidence. If you believe in the multi, well, there's no evidence. But if you believe in the, there's also, what evidence do you have currently that subatomic particles exist? You know, there's a lot of weirdness to the world, the quantum world, quantum connections and the multi-worlds theory. If you do, like Philip K. Dick believed, he had a very strange idea about reality.

I think Philip K. Dick believed that we are in a computer simulation. And he believed this in the 1960s. And he had this very strange idea that decisions you make, conscious decisions alter the past. I don't know what kind of drugs he was on when he was writing all that stuff. Yeah. Are you a big dick fan? Not a huge dick fan. Sorry.

I'm a medium dick fan. Sizable. Yeah. I mean, I think he wrote some amazing stuff. But he was one of those very important odd thinkers that have sort of flavored our culture. where you get to read these very unusual takes on reality. Like, Dan George's dream of electric sheet. Hunter Thompson.

There's a lot of people like that that have just written wild things that just make you just rethink the world that we're living in. Yeah, I'm a big Hunter Thompson. Yeah, just all that, yeah. Like, sci-fi has never really interested me as much as I know it interests. A lot of people who are not big Star Wars fan or Star Trek. But I do love, you know, some things like Blade Runner or something like that. I just don't like thinking about the future.

You don't like thinking about it? I hate the future. How come? I don't know. Because it hasn't happened. I don't know what to expect. Like I don't like change at all. I hate change.

Really? Just personally? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Any kind of change. Don't like it. I like things to stay the exact same. I eat the same thing for breakfast.

Wear the same clothes every day. Really? Yeah. I'm a creature of comfort. Interesting. Like if I was a touch. turtle in a terrarium, I'd be happy as could be. Like, if somebody just fed me. You're a house cat. I'm a house cat. Oh, without a doubt.

That's what Edward Snowden calls himself a house cat. Oh, me, yeah, me and Eddie are like one and one and the same. I mean, when I asked him about his life in Russia, I said, you know, what is it like? Do you feel isolated? He goes, I'm basically a house cat. I just need a computer and internet connection. I'm happy. He's not missing anything going outside there. Jesus. Yeah. No, thanks. Well, they might kidnap him and send him to their front. lines like if you go out there if you're of age would not like yeah no thank you no I'm just a big indoor cat and I like I like I like my routine every day same routine um yeah just don't like so the thought of the future all the future is too much change oh no and the flying car you know

like I don't like it too many LED lights yeah I don't when the hot robot assistance get created are you going to get one well I'm not necessarily against that but I mean geez you know I could be weighed a little. But that's ex-Machina. That's what it is. That's what we're dealing with. I just like the past. I love the past more. Why is that? I mean, one, it's real. As far as I'm concerned, the future isn't real because it hasn't happened. Right. It's just speculation. It's speculation. And I love seeing where we were and how we got to where we are now. So, like, and also just like what people were doing 2,000 years ago, you think, like, how the hell did they come up with that 2,000 years ago or the people who, you know, like Marcus Aurelius or somebody who,

the way they thought, like how it is the, it's perfectly maps up to now where like that same sort of stoicism, you know, I think that can do wonders for people today. And he was thinking that shit 2,000 years ago. Oh, unquestionably. I think all that kind of stuff. And even like, not that far back, but like the Victorian period, I think's fascinating. I think like when you travel around the U.S. knowing like, well, what did this city or this place I'm standing at right now, what did it look like 150 years ago? Like, what did it smell like? It's probably didn't smell the way it smells. Yeah. And yeah, I don't know. I like thinking about stuff like that. Well, it's absolutely fascinating because, I mean, just think about the timeline that, the known

timeline of human history. Have you been to Rome? Have you ever seen like the Coliseum right? No, I've never been out of the U.S. don't need to do that. You don't need to? No, no, no, no, no. No need to. I can just look at it in a book. You don't watch a documentary? I agree to a certain extent.

Well, no, I don't. So I think watching it is certainly fascinating. I love documentaries. But there's something about being there. Like, I went to Greece a few years ago. And I was with my friend Brian Murrow Rescue. Do you know he is? Uh-uh.

He wrote a, he's a scholar, and he wrote a great book called the Immortality Key, that is all about the Illucinian mysteries in ancient Greece, which I believe Marcus Aurelio participated in. Right, right, right. And when Marcus Aurelius participated in that, I'm most certain that that flavored some of his writings, particularly meditations. Because there's a lot of the stuff in there

that seems very psychedelically inspired. Like the wisdom of this guy, okay, this guy is running Rome, you know, what is one of the most fucking powerful armies the world has ever known, conquering everything. And this guy is essentially like a psychedelic bard. Right. It's very strange. Like his writings on forgiveness and, uh, and, and, and, and, and, and, and recognizing your thoughts and just he was, and you're thinking about like, oh, my God, this is thousands of years ago. This guy wrote this. This is insane. Yeah. And, uh, a lot of that,

I think probably came out of those Illucinian mysteries. But I went with Brian because I was there with my family and Brian happened to be in Greece at the same time and met us there. I mean, gave us a tour of Illusis. So you get to, we were in the actual place where these people had these Illucinian mysteries and it feels weird. That's pretty cool. And you don't know if it feels weird because you're ascribing all these feelings because

in your mind, you're like, oh my God, I'm here. so you're in this heightened state of suggestibility or whatever. I'm sure. Maybe. I'm sure that's a big part of it. But it felt weird. There's something about being there physically. I haven't been to the pyramids.

That's one thing that I must do. That is like on my, the top of my to-do list is I really have to get there. So I went to the Mayan pyramids. I went to Chichinica. Or Chichinica. Oh, Chichinza? Okay. Gotcha.

And the Yucatan, it's fucking incredible. It's so bizarre. Yes, that would be, I'd go there. That's about as far as I'd go, I think. It's some sketchy now. Yeah, actually, come down to Austin's about pushing it for me, really? Yeah, and I'm only about a, it's about a four-hour drive. Too much.

Yeah. Too crazy. Too many things happening along the way. Too much change. Too much change. Well, Austin is drastically different from Longview, Texas. I mean, some things are similar, but no, I like a slow-moving place. You know, just like a, like I'm a slow-moving animal in general.

Yeah. Talking, slow everything. Well, whatever you like, man. That's the beautiful thing about freedom. Find your lane. Find what you're into. You know, for you, it's reading a lot of shit and making cool videos. And real house houses.

And real house lives. I can't watch those shows. Why? Because I just, I just don't want to be around those people. And so when I hear them yapping and trying to get all this attention, I'm like, I've got to get out of the room. That's the best thing. gives me, you aren't in the room. Like, you just get to watch it from your room.

I don't know, maybe I'm an empath. I get secondhand anxiety from these people's lives. Do you like watching confrontations, like in public? Not your confrontation, but like other people. Like if somebody, two people getting like a fender bender and they get in like a little argument. Generally, I don't. I mean, I will watch them if it's happening right in front of me, but I really wish it didn't happen. I'm very averse to, believe it or not.

averse to public violence. And I think... Okay, I get that for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not into violence. I don't want to see somebody get knocked out. I've seen enough videos to people have their heads bounce off concrete. Exactly.

Never want to see that ever in my life. I've seen it a lot. Yeah. But I would love watching two people just yell at each other. Yeah, I don't like that because it just leads to... It generally leads to someone hitting somebody. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. We all have little things we do to save ourselves time.

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I think people engage in it freely as if there's no consequences over things that mean nothing in the long run of your life. But that moment of engaging could change your life forever. You can either get killed or kill someone or get irreparably injured or harmed. I mean, I know people that have been beat up and it's completely changed their personality forever. I know a guy that's a vegetable because of it. Like, I mean, he's about, maybe he's older than me, but yeah, his mom has to take care of him. Jesus Christ. Yeah, because he's got in a fight, got in a fight, and head hit the curve.

That's it. And there's so many people that that happens to, and you never hear about them because they're still alive. They're still alive, you know, so the person doesn't get charged with murder. But meanwhile, you have taken away that guy's life. Yeah. Oh, without a doubt. Yeah. It's the equivalent, I think.

I mean, technically it isn't. It's kind of odd that I don't enjoy violence because I've seen so much violence. I've probably seen more people get their ass kicked than probably. There's probably very few people who have ever lived on planet Earth that have seen more people get their ass kicked than me. Oh, I think that's, yeah, without question. Yeah. Like who else could it be? I mean.

I've seen, I mean, I've just been there alive for thousands of. of fights. I've professionally called thousands of fights on TV. Are there any people who have called more fights? Maybe. Like in other, like, I don't even mean here, like in Japan or like, like, is that the only thing I can think of? It's not likely. It's not likely.

I've been doing it since 1997. So that's when I first started working for the UFC. It was in 1997. I was four years old. Yeah. So that was my first, so that was the first time I started working for the UFC. and then continually since 2001, so 25 years of calling fights. And at one point in time, I was doing like 20 plus events a year.

So I was on the road like every other week doing UFC fights. So I don't think there's very many people. And then on top of that, all the fights that I watch, not live. So a big part of what I do, you know, like I take the comments. commentary job very seriously. And even if I didn't, I'm just a giant fan of combat sports. I don't, you think it's like, because

I like violence. What I really like is high level problem solving. And that's what it is. It's like very intense, very, I call it high level problem solving with dire physical consequences. Like, it's just like an insane game that these guys are playing. And there's

an incredible amount of technique involved, strategy, determination and willpower to get yourself in shape, intelligence in order to formulate the correct sort of style and game plan to be successful as a fighter. And so I watch a lot of fights. I watch a lot of, like, jih Tzu matches, I watch a lot of kickboxing fights. I watch a lot of fights.

So it's just in terms of like how many people have watched more people get their fucking ass kicked, probably I'm at the top 1% of people that have ever lived. Yeah. I got a number for you. What was the number? As of 2024, it was 3250. 3250 what? Fights.

That I've called? Yeah. That's just that I've called. So 3,250 fights that I've called just professionally. And then watching it, I probably watched that again, at least. Yeah. At least. So it's probably, I probably watch.

Seven thousand-ish. Yeah, easily. Yeah. Easily, maybe more. because sometimes I'll watch two, three in a day every day. I watch them in the gym all the time. I'm always watching. So it can be up to 10,000.

Yeah, so I don't like violence, believe it or not. No, I mean, what I can understand that, though, because, like, you know, it's not that you're loving seeing the guy get the shit beat out of them. It's loving seeing how does this guy handle this situation? How does this guy change his outcome? Like, it's looking like it's going to go one way, way. What's he going to do versus? Am I, like, kind of. I love watching people achieve greatness.

Yes. And I think greatness with the highest level of physical consequences in terms of, like, safety. Obviously, war is number one. Right. Get past. And then there's, you know, first responders, police officers, SWAT teams, that kind of stuff. But outside of that, in a controlled environment where people are preparing for a very specific contest, I just find that to be the most thrilling and exciting thing in all of sports.

And so that's my perspective on it, but I don't like people getting violent on the street. It bothers the shit out of me. I hate it. Yeah, well, the risk reward, too, is different. I mean, the risk in an octagon or in a ring is drastically different when you have a medical team. I mean, not that things can't happen, but versus a parking lot. A hundred percent. And then what's to stop some other guy to come up and just boot this person right in the face?

And you see it all the time. Right. You don't see that in the UFC. No. So you're seeing controlled chaos in a sense. It's not even really chaos. But you're seeing a controlled, like, we're both agreeing to do this. We're both at the right at weight.

Like, blah, blah. Like, it's different. Like, whenever I watch, you know, whenever I watch a fight, like, I don't think of it in nearly the same way. Because I feel sick to my stomach whenever I watch people getting fights in real life. Like real. I don't feel like that watching. I feel like I'm watching two athletes competing. They hug each other.

After the fight. Like, I feel the same way whenever I watch a football game because I'm a big football fan. Like, that's my, you know, number one. And I hate seeing people get concussed. Hate it. Hate it. There you go. Yeah.

Like, I'm a... Yeah, I hate it, too. Yeah, I don't want to see somebody get helmet to helmet. This person can't even walk. Like, you know, it doesn't know where they are. But I love seeing a big hit at the right time where, you know, you're making this amazing defensive play. Because you are two athletes who have agreed, you know, to... Yeah.

And you're at the height of your... I love watching people do things that are insanely difficult to do. That's what I love. Have you seen that there's this guy who's a Russian gymnast who figured out some new way to do an iron cross? He does an iron cross inverted. The hell's an iron cross? An iron cross is one of the most difficult moves in gymnastics where they're on the rings. And they hold their body up like that with their arms out.

It takes like insane strength. Yeah, Vince Vaughn and old school when he's smoking the cigarette doing it. Really? You never seen old school with Vince Vaughn and Will Ferrell? Does he do that? Yeah, I think. That's probably CGI, right? It's fake.

Well, no, I'm not saying, really doing it, but in the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this Russian guy has figured out a way to do it upside down. So he's literally doing a handstand and he stretches out. Watch this. This is it. Okay. Watch this cat. This is crazy.

Oh, my God. The amount of strength that it takes to do that is fucking preposterous. He's the first guy to ever do it. If I started today. How long do you think it would take for me to be able to do that? It would take you 50 or 60 years. Oh, I got time, Bill. Well, you would have to lose an insane amount of weight.

You'd have to get on steroids. There'd be a lot of things that would have to happen to change your physique. You'd have to... Done, done. Yeah, yeah, you have to change your... You've got to get coaches. You've got to go to Russia. That would be...

That's actually the biggest problem. The weight loss in the steroids, I can start right now. I don't know if this cat figured it out on his own if it was something he was thinking, can this be done? But I'm fascinated by people that are like the first person to figure out that a move can be done. Yeah.

Or just the people who can do anything for the first time. Like what was his name, Bannister, Roger Bannister, that ran the mile for the first time, four minutes. Yeah. It had never been done all this time. But then what's crazy is that like the next year, there was like six people that ran it.

Yeah. So it's weird how like, like I wonder how many people are going to be doing this a week from now. Right. Like probably a couple. couple at least. There's something about knowing that something's achievable that makes it infinitely easier. Yes. Like weird, weirdly. Or like X games. I grew up watching the X games a lot and you would see a move be done like a 900, like a 900, Tony Hawk doing the

900. Now there's like six-year-olds doing 900. Oh, there we go. It's a nine-year-old, but yeah, but still, yeah. I was on the same thought process. I mean, when I was like a, when I was a little kid, doing back to back. Bro, imagine if that's your kid doing that. You'd be like, don't get her, Billy. Dude, when I was like a little, when did Tony Hawk do not? It was at 99, I think, 99 X-Ans. I remember watching, and it was like, it's like you saw Jesus walk on water. Right. Three back-to-back.

And now there's a nine-year-old Japanese. Nine-year-old Japanese boy does back-to-back nine-hundredths. Wow. That's great. This first 900 at age seven. I mean, isn't that wild? Like this, 999 is not that long ago. I mean, it is a wild.

But for there to be that level of change in that amount of years where it's like an easy thing. That is crazy. That literally is crazy. Boy, that is a rough fucking sport. Those guys get some fucking concussions. Yeah, Tony Hawk. Did you watch his documentary? No.

Oh, you should really watch that. Until the wheels fall off, I think is what it was called. It is incredible. Tony Hawk's amazing. I had him on the podcast back of the day. Oh, really? He was great. Really interesting guy.

It starts with him trying to land a 900 now, like, you know, as he's gotten quite a bit older. And the, just the amount of just the shit he's eating constantly. You can't get it because he's older and harder to do it. But you still see, like, he's not doing it for anybody. He's not in a competition. He's like, his personal, you know, half pipe. Right. And just, but you see it in his eyes, like, like, those skaters have no quid in them.

Right. We can't. Yeah, but there's something amazing about that. Yeah. Like, I'm a big quitter. Love. I love quitting. I don't know if I love anything more than I love quitting.

It's hilarious. It's great. Like, when something's difficult, I'm just like, oh, I could just stop and do something better. That's funny. But those guys don't have that. You and I would be like a funny, odd couple show. Oh, yeah. What was the Oscar and whatever was?

Felix and Oscar. Yeah. Oh, gee. We probably are the most opposite people. I'm going to be the most opposite person you may have ever had on you. In many ways, but in a lot of ways we're similar. We're interested in history. We're interested in unique facts.

Obviously, it's why I'm a giant fan of your page. Thank you. Yeah, there's a bin diagram, you know. But ours is like, you know, barely touching. Yeah. Well, I'm always interested in, like, what turns people down certain paths, like what makes them go one way or another. Yeah.

You know, I mean, I think anyone could go down any path. It could have happened. I think it happens oftentimes very young. And then you start building momentum and towards very specific areas. That's a big thing I have with a, like anything in pop culture, so like movies, music and like remembering dates and like, you know, when did this movie come out? When this album come out? It's because like my dad would, you know, like trivia, like give me tests like to like try to impress my uncles. Like he was like, Cody, who sings?

blah, blah, I had like five years old and I would just name them. Right. But I love the rush from like knowing something. Right. That it impressed people. Because otherwise, I mean, I wasn't impressing people, you know, in any other way.

So I was like, I got to do something. Because my brother was like amazingly good at baseball. I don't have that. So I was like, well, what's my thing? And it just became facts. Facts. Yeah, no in random stuff. And I like the feeling of like when you tell somebody something weird that they never knew.

And you kind of see them like it like, They're like, oh, my God, I never knew that. It's like, oh, I like that feeling. A very impressive quality. Like, I love talking to people and they can tell me things that I had no idea of, like, what? Yeah. Like, Brian Simpson's great at that. Yeah.

Brian Simpson is a warehouse of interesting information. Like, he and I, like, anytime we find something, like, really fascinating online, we send it to each other. And he's just doing that all day long. Yeah. See, that's my kind of thing. Yeah. I just want to know everything. It's one of the reason why I don't want to ever die.

It's one of the things I'm scared about death is that like, yeah, but what about all the stuff I'm not going to know? Which I know it's foolish. Like there's no way I could ever learn 1% of everything. If technology came along that could extend your lifespan literally indefinitely. Sign me up. UVN. Yes. I don't know why people say like, oh, if I make it to 90, kill me.

You're a pussy. Like, I mean, what are you talking about? I want to live for, yes, what's that movie with Johnny Depp? transcendence, I believe, where they put them in the thing, and it goes very wrong. I don't care. I would go to Jurassic Park, even knowing what happened to all those people, all those innocent people. Well, they're probably going to do that eventually.

Right now, they don't have dinosaur DNA, but I don't think that's going to be able to stop them from creating a dinosaur. I think what they're going to be able to do is use bird DNA and eventually engineer a dinosaur by giving each new iteration very specific traits. Like that's kind of what they're doing at colossal bioworks. Yeah. Where they're bringing back the thylacine and they're bringing, I mean, they already brought back the dire wolf. Yeah.

Oh, right. Okay, so that's who did the dire wolf. Yeah. Oh, right, right, right. I went to that. I went to the place where they have them. I saw the dire wolves. My daughter was playing with a four-year, I guess four-month-old, six-month-old.

I think it was like four-month-old puppy. Dyerwolf puppy. And it's like a puppy. Like, it gives you kisses. It sits in your lap. It's wagging its tail. Cuddles with you. you, but they get to a certain age where you can't do that with them anymore.

For sure. You weren't worried it was going to, like, disintegrate or, like, you know, turn something like the thing. It opens up my mouth. Like, had to tell me. Chop your arm off? Yeah. No, because I spoke with them before and explained what they're doing.

It's mostly they're taking these genes from this, like, they got samples from like a seven thousand-year-old corpse of a dire wolf. they sequence the genome and they started altering gray wolf genes and next thing you know they have this thing that is people say it's not a dire wolf it's not technically a dire wolf

but that's by our definition like what is a dire wolf other than a collection of genes that has the traits of a dire wolf well I don't know you can decide all you want what it is but what it is is is very different than any other wolf that's ever lived

Well, you know, since Dairwolves have died. So why isn't it a Dahr? Why do they think it isn't? It's their, they're splitting hairs. Okay. I had the head geneticist from, what was her name, Beth Cohen? Was that her name? From Colossal Byer's, fascinating woman.

Yeah. Like, brilliant. And she was, Beth Shapiro. And she was explaining how they do it and what the, what the argument is. it's not a dire wolf. And I'm in her camp. Essentially, we've decided, like, what, like, all these different animals, whether it's chimpanzees, cockatoos, whatever.

We've decided that this is what it is. Right. But what it really is, is just the collection of genes, right? They give very specific traits, and those traits are passed on by its offspring. And they've managed to engineer an animal that has all of the characteristics of a dire wolf. and they look very different. They're all white, and they have a mane, which is really weird.

They have like this thick, almost like a lion's mane. Kind of like my golden retriever does. Marshall has a bit of a mane. It's very elegant when he runs. Yeah. But they look different. They're stouter. They're a thicker, stronger wolf.

Okay. Really wild. It's interesting, like, at what point does something become a new species then? Like what's the difference between a mutation? So like this one dog has, you know, or whatever, this one bird has a red beak, but normally they're yellow. Uh-huh. And versus, oh, well, all the ones are red beaks are new species. I've never really understood that.

Like. It's a good question. Yeah. Well, it's humans decide, you know, which is where, I mean, we have a very specific way of categorizing different species. And it's like these biologists make these decisions. and these distinctions, but ultimately nature doesn't give a fuck what you said. Yeah. You know, it has many of these different weird variables, and it's up to people to try to figure out, like, okay, well, does this, is this logical that this is a new species?

Or is this a, look at humans. Like, look at the differences in humans. Yeah. Like, look at, like, Shaquille O'Neal and, you know, Caitlin Jenner. Like, that's the same species, right? Look at, it's very weird. Humans are fucking strange, you know? You have Bobby Lee, and then you have Hulk Cohner.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like they're very different, but we're all the same thing. Like, if we were something else in the wild, we would assume that these are multiple different species. Yes. Yeah, it's like the, you know, kind of the Neanderthal versus a home sapien. Like that guy. Can you see the person? Yeah, little tiny lady.

Oh. World's tallest person. the world's shortest woman. Like that's crazy. Which would you rather be? I guess the tall guy, but he's probably in massive pain. He didn't look. He's got a cane. Generally, when they're that big, they have a tumor on their pituitary gland. Yeah. He's a hyperminegillard. He's eight foot three. Jeez. Yeah. He's probably in agony all the time. And I don't even know if that's, if you could mitigate that with like weight training or something. If you could get strong enough so that you can carry that amount of weight and frame.

Because you're dealing with, I don't think human joints are designed to carry around that kind of mass and just that height. And also, if you have a tumor in your pituitary gland, things are probably growing the wrong way because what it's essentially is like secreting abnormal amounts of human growth hormone constantly. Just why they get like the head protruding. Like Andre the Giant. Yeah, you get your like a long Easterer.

Island head. Yeah. There was a guy that used to fight an MMA named Bigfoot Silva, and he had that. And he actually had the tumor removed from his pituitary gland, and it radically changed his fighting ability. Oh, that's an... In a better way or a worse way? Much worse. His body wasn't producing the...

His endocrine system wasn't functioning properly anymore. Oh. Yeah, because you're not going to shrink. Right. So his hormone levels were all hugely depleted. And this is at the time where they had banned testosterone replacement therapy for mixed martial arts athletes. So he couldn't be on it anymore. But when he was on it, oh my God.

Yeah. When he was on the sauce and he was like 300 pounds and huge, he was killing people. Yeah, that would suck. Yeah, he was like one of the first guys to beat up Fador Emilienico. Yeah. Who's one of the greatest of all time. But it was just he was so big. He was like 300 plus pounds and a black belt and jiu-jitsu and a legitimate giant.

God. Robert Wadlow didn't have that. You know, I'm talking about the guy that was 8 foot 11. He didn't have that? No, he didn't know. Was he just abnormally tall? 8 foot 11. What is that he looked like?

Oh, did he need a cane or anything like that? Or did he walk normally? He died pretty young, but not even related to the, to just being that tall. He died from, I think he might have had a cane later at some point. Yeah, okay. But I believe, unless I'm mistaken, he died because his shoes had to be specially made. and the nails in the souls gave him an infection. What?

And he died from the infection, I think. That's crazy. But look at him next to that. I mean, isn't that wild? Yeah. But, I mean, it's like, well, how did that exist in, what, 1920 to 1930? And we've never had anyone like that now. Right.

And he doesn't look like a guy who has a disease. He looks like a normal guy. It was just enormous. I mean, like, yeah, he birthed eight pound, five ounces. Isn't that wild? He's great size and continued growth in a disease. adulthood due to hypertrophy of the pituitary gland. So he did have a pituitary gland issue.

I thought he didn't have it, and that's why he was... Yeah. So it's basically the same, but he looks much more normal. Well, I wonder why that happens then. Oh, at the time, corrective surgery was dangerous and not guaranteed to work, so his parents decided against intervening. But when he graduated, he was 8 foot 4. That's crazy. His burial is wild.

Like how... Oh, he had to have leg braces. Yeah. Had little feeling in his legs and feet, but he never used a wheelchair. Yeah. Wow. There's something about his... Look at his shoes.

Holy fucking shit. Size 37 shoes. Ooh, boy, that'd be rough. What do you think of... Imagine the, you know... The historical depictions of giants. Huh? Historical depictions of giants.

Like in... Like giants in the Bible, giants in... Oh, yeah. There's Native Americans. stories of giants. They have a lot of similarities, oddly. A lot of them are red hair. No, red hair, six fingers, six toes.

Weird stuff. Yeah, wasn't that, um, who'd the one guy beat with the damn sling? Goliath? Didn't Goliath have six fingers, I believe, in the bowl somewhere? I don't know. I remember that from Sunday school, I think. I was pretty good. I don't remember, but I bet you're right.

I was pretty infatuated by the six fingers aspect of it. Well, what's interesting is. on the wrist. The Native Americans had very similar stories of large red-haired, pale-skinned giants with six fingers and six toes with no access to the Bible whatsoever. It was a completely different, whether it was folklore, mythology, or they're talking about a real thing. That's where it gets weird. I feel like it can't be a real thing. Why is that? Because they're, I mean, they're not around now. Well, that doesn't mean anything because Dennis Olvens are not around now either.

and we know those were a real thing. Yeah, but were the giants, oh, okay, were the giants a separate thing from the humans or were they just like humans that? Probably a different branch of the human species. That's what I think. There's just too many stories. Or for whatever reason didn't make it. Died off.

Like a lot of other, like 90% of all species that have ever lived are gone. Well, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's been a ton of different versions of human beings that existed. You know, like the Denisovan one is really weird. I don't know if you've. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they're realizing these Denisovans were much larger than humans, than homo sapiens, like a lot larger. Like much bigger head, bigger cranial capacity, bigger brain capacity, larger jaw, larger eye sockets, larger eyeballs, like really weird stuff. So why'd they die out then? They should have been the ones killing us. Well, we might have been the most clever because we're the softest, you know.

We're the weakest, so we were probably the most vicious. And we probably figured out tools better than they did. and we probably slaughtered them because they were dangerous. That makes sense. Well, I mean, look, we figured out to survive around lions and tigers and bears. Oh, my. We're clever. Wasps, yeah, all kinds of stuff.

It's entirely possible that we wipe them out. You know, like, that might be a part of the allegory. That may be a part of, like, when you read the story of David and Goliath, like, what happens? Well, David kills the giant. You know, that might have been what we did. We probably hunted them. Yeah, what you get. Yeah, and it probably also.

So they probably required an insane amount of resources. It was probably incredibly difficult. It's like dinosaurs. Yeah, to feed them. Yeah. It's like the main reason they went out. It wasn't because of like, you know, the asteroid didn't just kill them all. Like, it mostly died from a lack of resources.

And obviously like the oxygen levels changing and all that business. Yeah, well, a lot of things happen, right? But that's what chickens are. Chickens are basically living dinosaurs. Right. But they're tiny. You ever see a chicken go after a mouse? No, I've seen chickens go after other chickens or chickens go after worms or other little bugs.

It's very dinosaur-like, very velociraptor-like. But the way they go after a mouse is insane. It's like the ferocity in which they attack a mouse. Like there's a video we played it a million times, but there's a cat, and the cat has a mouse, and the cat's kind of toying with the mouse, and a chicken runs over and snatches it from the cat and just rips it apart, like a monster, just like a monster, just shaking it, fucking pecking it, tearing it apart. Yeah.

My, yeah, watch this. Look at this chicken. Fuck this. fuck this mouse up. I mean, and they're, and they try to steal it from each other. They all know what it is. They want that mouse. And you think of chickens as being these little, cute little things that peck around the grass?

No, if they catch a mouse, they will fuck that mouse up. Yeah, because, I mean, they'll do it to other chickens. Like, my grandparents had chickens, and they, you know, they'd kill each other sometimes. Yeah, that's what the pecking order is. Yeah, they literally peck at each other and tear each other apart. They're ruthless little cunts. I mean, actually really all animals kind of. to do that to an extent.

Like, you know, killed her young and all humans do too, Lindsay Cleansy, but allegedly, I guess. Allegedly, she said she did it. Well, she may have been under the, you know, she may still have been psychotic when she admitted. That one's so bizarre to me. She might have been psychotic when she admitted that she did it? No, that's what some people think. Some people think that she may. I mean, the people who are just trying to find any excuse for why she did what she did have, you know, come to just a

million different brain dead. That one is, that was not on my bingo card. I didn't think you're going to see hundreds of women wearing pink shirts showing up outside the courthouse during her trial in support of her having strangled her fucking children with an exercise cord one at a time. Yeah. I didn't not understand that. I still really don't.

I mean, well, there is just a huge number of people who've just gotten so invested in true crime. like true crime YouTube channels, and that's all they watch all day, every day. And so they have basically convinced themselves that they are detectives. But they suck at it. It's like, you know, I've watched so much football that I do watch it. And I basically think I know more than an NFL head coach. Meanwhile, yeah, I don't know anything. Right.

Why would you call that play, you idiot? I want to have done that. I'm just sitting there, you know, eating purple. Of course. But there's like all these women who have done the same thing. But with true crime, and they, you know, they think they're a goddamn Clarice Starling. And, yeah. But, you know, so they think there's like, there's a cover-up, a conspiracy.

Oh, the police department must be covering up things because the husband definitely did it. Like, you know, they just go down these rabbit holes of TikTok. Is the Dunning Kruger effect in real time? Yes. Yes. It is exactly what it is. Yeah. Yeah.

It's fascinating to see. But it is very sad when it comes to that type of thing happening. Right. Well, it's bizarre. I never thought we would see it. Like during the Casey Anthony trial, nobody was in support of Casey Anthony. Hell no. Now, she could have been proven, well, she kind of was, but like full-on innocence.

Her, you know, nobody would ever believe that she didn't kill that kid. Right, which, by the way, I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because you're not even going to believe this is real. But Casey Anthony has chimed in on the Shane Gillis horror joke. Casey Anthony. Well, I don't. Casey Anthony wrote a long piece on substack about the joke that Shane Gillis said about women dressing like horrors on SNL. Casey Anthony. The lady who killed her kid.

I know. It makes you so angry you just want to strangle your loved one. I mean, good Lord. What a moron. Well, not only that, I mean, this lady was, if you wanted to use that term, was strangled her kids so she could go out and fucking party. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, women can dress however they want.

Women in the gym can dress however they want. Men who have opinions about how women dress need to all the way go fuck themselves. This toxic masculinity trend needs to end. These fragile men need to get out of the way of women in totality. This lady killed her kid. Yeah. And she feels like she can take the moral high ground and chime in about a joke. on Saturday Night Live.

So wow. Which is really the joke is on Shane because the joke is that he looks like a creep in the background of all these TikToks watching these ladies that are wearing nothing doing these exercises. Well, he also didn't call them or is he just said they dress like it. Yes. Completely different thing. I mean, you know, you can dress like anything, you know. It's my nephew was dressed like Batman like last year. He's not, you know, he's not stopping crime.

I don't know. I mean, I get, I guess, a little bit of it, but, like, I think people weren't understanding, like, the nuance or, you know, really, like, thinking about all the way he's thinking he's just come out there and said, oh, y'all are all horrors or dressing like this. No, no, no, no, that's what I'm saying. And also, you can dress however you want. Yeah, who cares. But also, when you do go to a gym, I mean, Jesus. I know. Like, it is kind of hard not to be like, God, what the hell are you?

It's kind of crazy. I mean, I've seen ladies at the gym that we're. essentially sheer pink, really small shorts with no underwear on, and they're doing deadlifts. And when they're bending over there, sticking their vagina with the thinnest of cloth out into the air. Oh, I knew one of them was pregnant before she did. I think I'd say you're about six weeks. And by the way, I have no problem with women dressing like that. Have fun.

God bless you. If you have a great body, especially, showed off to the world. Who cares? And don't be afraid to admit that that's what you're doing Because that's what guys do Do you know there's no reason to wear a sleeveless shirt Versus a sleeve shirt versus a sleeve shirt in the gym You're wearing a sleevel shirt because you want people to see your arms

Shog the guns There's what the wrong with that And everyone wants to wear like skin tight stuff to you know show off Who cares? Who cares? I don't care I don't care but I guess the word whore Is what gets them Yeah I get it I get you get upset

But it's also because like real Massagony actually exists Like real women who hate, or real men rather, who hate women do exist. And so when you see a guy joking around about a woman dressing like a whore, you connect it to horrible thoughts, like horrible actions, like real actual evil men that actually. Because like there's a lot of men that genuinely hate women. Shane Gillis is not one of them. Right. And he's a great guy.

It's just a joke. But for some people, those words. And then you see like the word police people. Which is hilarious. We need to stop using that word. We're still using the word, whore. Like, you're not? Yeah.

It's a great word. It's a great word. It's a great word. It's a great word for also yourself. Like, I freely admit that when I did, like, especially the second iteration of Fear Factor, is because I was being a whore. They offered me a fuckload of money to come back in like 2011 and host Fear Factor again. And I'm like, I'm a whore.

Let's go. Why not? Oh, I would hold myself out for all sorts of. Far less. Yeah, it's not, I don't think it's a bad word. I just think it has to be used wisely. You know, it's one of the good things and bad things about the Internet is that everyone has an opinion. It's good.

It's good. You get to see it all play out, see the chaos, and hopefully the dust will settle and there'll be some clarity and what's real and what's not real. But because of the echo chambers and bubbles that people live in online, there won't be any clarity, you know, because everything is connected to. an algorithm and you're you're only interacting with people that agree with you. And it's like, yeah. Okay. And yeah, and you don't know what's actually real or what's not real. Well, that's a real problem.

Yeah. Well, and just forming your opinions on, like, I don't know, people are just so opinionated to the point where, like, it's their identity. Like, their take on a certain topic, that is who I am. And every conversation I have, that's going to come up. And I hate those people. I do as well. So much.

And by the way, that's a new thing. Yeah. I'm older than you, and when I was a kid, that didn't exist. There were some people that were ideologically, they were ideologically connected to whatever the political party was. Right. But not to the extent that people are today where flavored every single opinion they have about every aspect of society. Right. Right.

Right. fucking electric cars to vaccines and health care and fucking everything. Everything is connected politically. Right. And if you don't say something about it, then you must be on the opposite side. Silence is violence, Cody Tucker. Silence is violence. Yeah, like, because if I'm silent on something that automatically means, like, I could be silent about it, but still be on your side.

But no. Like, they believe that I'm silent. I remember people getting mad at people that didn't put any. black square on their Instagram Well yeah because they didn't stop the violence They could have stopped it by doing that.

With a black square Would have been nice The black square would have ended all violence The whole country just put up a black square It would have been over We could have moved into a new timeline Yeah Could have

But yeah I know It's just that virtue signaling It is and it's also This sort of evolution of human thinking that's happening in real time you know, with this, so you've got this thing, the internet, that gives you immense resources and access to information. But then you also have opinions that are inside this ecosystem that aren't even real. These are bots.

Like, there's so many bots. I read an article. There was an article in the New York Times about Elon Musk's ex-girlfriend. You know, there's the one that he offered Ashley St. Clair. He offered her allegedly. 40 million. She's his baby mama, right? So she has one of his babies.

And she offered him or he offered her, rather, allegedly, $40 million to be quiet. And she said no. And she's blabbing to the world. So she was at one point in time a right wing influencer. And now she is a part of the Democratic Socialists of America. She's joined the DSA, which is fascinating. Quiet a swing. Quiet a swing.

always interesting when people will do it complete 180 yeah yeah but so this is an article that's written in the New York Times and they post about it on Instagram and I go into the comments I go okay I need to see

because I'm saying this is ripe for bots like this is going to be a fucking bot farm like 100% and it's all it was it was crazy it was a lot of them are literally saying the same thing he could have just given her a billion he's got a trillion dollars

he could just give it her a billion She would have stayed quiet. And you click on their page and there's no posts and there's there's, it's locked down. It's a private page. And it's a name and a bunch of numbers. Like, this is wild. This is like a fake outrage account. And there's a thousand of them that are posting on this.

It's all the same thing. I've had it happen on one of my videos. I had to take it down because I was so like, I was like, what is happening right now? It was like one about Henry Ford that I did about him being just a massive. asshole and about like his Nazi connections. Interesting. And it turned into a full, the Holocaust didn't happen. Like it turned into that with thousands.

I mean, I've never like at that time had had anywhere near that kind of attraction. I looked and I was like, God damn, that one's getting a lot. Why is that getting so many views? And I started reading him as like, the number's actually this. It's not six million or like, you know, and it's just going. It's just constant. And some of them were real or at least seem real because it's like, is this a real person saying this?

Well, there are levels of sophistication when it comes to bots, especially today with AI, they generate. One of the things you could tell is, like, how recent the page started. I like to go back to their first post. And a lot of their first post is like six weeks ago or a month ago. And then you see that there's no inner interaction at all. No one's posting. No one's commenting. They have these posts.

It's like them with their kid on a swing, them working on a car in the backyard. like, and it might be AI generated, or it might be they have taken it from somewhere else, but they can create a page that seems like a real person. Right. And they say a bunch of things that seem like what a real person would say, like really simple captions for each picture. So there's like levels of sophistication,

and then eventually it's going to be ex-Machina type, levels of sophistication where you're not going to be able to discern whether or not it's a real person commenting or not. No, and you can have the whole role below. leave something just if you have enough money to pay for enough bots. Yes. Because it's not even enough money. It's not expensive.

That's what's crazy. You could start a bot campaign fairly cheaply and have a bunch of people think, oh my God, people are really mad at Cody Tucker. Yeah, yeah. Like, you could really have people's, and you could shift a lot of the casuals who are just barely paying attention. You could shift their perception on you. Yeah.

And that's what they're trying to do. And they're certainly trying to do that with Elon. But this thing with, do you think that it was Ford Motor Company that was do this? No, no, no, no. There's just this massive rise in Holocaust denial that's happened within just like the last couple of years. Or like any post that has to do, I mean, a lot of it obviously has to do with like the Israel-Palestan conflict and like Zionism and all this stuff. And there's a lot of people who just like watch like this one documentary that like disproves the Holocaust. and it's all, that documentary is all a bunch of, like.

Which documentaries is that? It's called, like, Europa, I think. It's like, it's all hogwash. None of it's real. It's just this guy who was a famous Holocaust denier. And now it's just become, like, the, I don't know, because it's not even necessarily like a right wing versus left wing thing, you know, where like, oh, all the right wing people are Holocaust writers or, you know, vice versa.

It's like all, it's like groups from everybody, but it's all, like, from the most of the way, younger people, like my age or younger, yeah, just don't think it happened. You know what's also interesting, too, is that it's such a disgusting subject that no one legitimate wants to debate someone who doesn't believe in the Holocaust. Right. Like, you don't get, like, a legitimate scholar on World War II who wants to sit down and have a conversation with someone who's a Holocaust in there. It's like you don't platform those people. And so because of that, like, there's a lot of people go, oh, they're hiding the truth.

Right, right. Yeah. Who do you think was the textbooks? It was the... Right. And it's like, well... But yeah, they didn't. But okay. What is their argument? Their argument is that it's less number, that the numbers lower? The number that pops up every single time is 200... And that's why I started realizing it might be botched.

It's because every one of them was saying 271,000. Like every post or 217,000 is one too. So they think that's the number. How do they come to that? Apparently, that's what in the documentary, that's what the guy concludes or comes to by like crunching the numbers on like the amount of Jews in the area or something. It's, I don't know. Right. Right.

It's, but it's absolutely absurd. So do you think that it's a foreign country that is doing this bot attack? Like, what do you think? Because like if you were anti-Israel, like if you were against Israel's policies and you were a foreign country, if you're, whatever, fill in the blank, Palestine, Pakistan, whatever it is. Yeah. You get some Muslim country. that wants to fund some sort of anti-Israel thing, and then you would go after the core reason why people have sympathy for the Jews in modern society

is because they were almost exterminated in Germany. I mean, basically the reason Israel exists. Right. Because of the Holocaust. Yeah. So that would be the way to do it. I mean, and I just think there's a lot of people who, yeah, just believe it because they read it on the internet. They see the meme saying blah, blah, blah, and they just outright believe

it. I think bots should be illegal. I really do. 100%. I don't care, because I'm sure there's a lot of bots that follow me on social media. Oh, I know there. I mean, I don't know what the number is, but I'm sure, I would guess it's probably about 25%. Let my number, I don't care if my number's drop, or I don't care if my

money goes down. Get rid of it. Get rid of bots. Like, you should, I've always felt that you should have to have an ID to be able to prove who you are to be able to create an account on any social media platform. I agree. Like, you know, I think there's like dating apps that do it when you have to take a picture of your ID and then you go through like a vetting process.

That should be the same with Instagram, Facebook. The problem with that is whistleblowers. And I think that there is a legit argument that, especially if you're like an Edward Snowden or, you know, Chelsea Manning type person who has access to information that is highly classified, but you don't want to reveal your identity, but people need to know. Like, there's a crime being committed on the American people or the people of the world or whatever. Yeah. You know, the whistleblower thing, protections for whistleblowers was a key part of the Obama campaign when he was running for office was protection for whistleblowers.

Meanwhile, he was like one of the worst people for whistleblowers ever that was president, which is kind of funny. Yeah. But they also even removed that part from the Hope and Change website. So the Hope of Chains website had this whole thing about whistleblowers. They're here. It was fucking deleted that. Yeah. Cat came out of the bag on that one.

Good Lord. So that's the argument against having to show identification is that it's probably important that some people be able to post anonymous. Because there's like very powerful people that would try to take them out. Right. No, no. I do believe in like anonymity for like whistleblowers. It's just. But like how do you do that?

And then also have an eye. to post. No, you can't, but I mean, you just whistleblow the old-fashioned way and just write it to a newspaper that only about 40 people are going to read now because nobody reads newspapers. Unfortunately, you can't even count on the newspaper printing that. Well, no, depending upon what you're revealing and what ideology would be opposed to that and whether or not this newspaper ascribes to that ideology. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, which that's kind of always been a problem too, but if you went back to, like, you know, the, all the president's men, you know, Nixon, Watergate stuff, like at least, you know, they were able to do that.

Well, that was one of the most disturbing things about Elon purchasing Twitter was when they let, like Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibi, and all these journalists review the emails that were with the executives at Twitter were in contact with the intelligence agencies. Okay. The intelligence agencies were actively censoring accounts, were directing them to remove accounts. They were posting factual information, but that was inconvenient towards the COVID policies of the Biden administration. So they were actively censoring legitimate scientists from Stanford, MIT, like legit people. And they were like, uh-uh, ban them, take them off.

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Scary. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's, I don't know, there's really any real right way of. going about any i mean we may be doing it the best the most right way that it could be done which that's terrifying if that's true i don't well i think there has to be a way to tell if something is a bot and you should have some sort of filters in your system at least to mitigate the bots to get to a point where

you can't just have a letter and a you know name and a bunch of fucking numbers and you have 50 000 of those accounts and bomb on someone's account because Henry Ford was a Nazi. Or just, I don't know, I guess that doesn't work either. I was saying like, just have it where you're vetted and then only people who have been vetted can comment. But at the same time, that doesn't necessarily work as if a person's a whistleblower. Right. That's the problem.

It ruins that, yeah. Yeah, the problem is anonymity is important when you're revealing something, especially you're revealing something about a government or corporation where they can whack you. You know, it's like, which I think, God, I don't know I want to say it, but I think the best way to do is just ignore their comments and just let them. But there's a bunch of people who don't do that, and it does artificially alter public opinion on things. Yeah. Yeah, which is that was why, like, for that post, I just took it down because it's like, oh, I'm not going to go through and sift out all these comments. Did you think about just banning the comments?

Just blocking comments? Oh, disabling comments. No, not until right now. That might have been the best way to do it. Probably should have done that. Because it's an interesting, I remember that post. Yeah. It was an interesting post.

Yeah. Does it exist anymore, anywhere? Wow. Wow. They got me. They got you. I know. I was infiltrated.

Maybe that's how the people that are pro-Holacost narrative do it. They put in so many scumbags that if you agree to, if you follow what they're saying, you're a terrible person. Yes. People don't want to do that. and so they're shaming you for posting it wild it's not good

yeah no I probably should have just taking out of comments but I don't know how bad was Henry Ford though it's just not a good person overall Is this it? Oh Where does it exist? YouTube shorts

YouTube shorts YouTube shorts Here let's put the headphones on Do you want to check the comments? Oh you should actually That'd be pretty funny Here we go When I press

Henry Ford revolutionized the automobile industry With his moving assembly line, allowing for the manufacturing of the Model T to go from 12 hours per car to 90 minutes per car. At that point, they were making 10,000 Model T's a day. He also doubled his employees' wages and basically created a new middle class in America. Despite all of this, Henry Ford was also a massive anti-Semite. In 1920, Henry Ford began publishing a weekly magazine called The International Jew, The World's Problem. Henry Ford's views on the Jewish population struck a nerve with a young man in Austria,

who included Henry Ford in his manifesto, Mind Kampf. Henry Ford was the only American complimented in that book written by a young Adolf Hitler. Henry Ford even received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest German award for foreigners, by Adolf Hitler, himself. That's wild. Click on the comments, please. Yeah.

Let's go. Here we go. I love to see what these comments. What does it say here? Oh, for a second, one, Henry Ford, a man ahead of time. Wow. I bet they're not talking about the first part. It always feels like we've forgotten more than we remember.

Thank you. I live in Detroit, and ooh boy, is this topic taboo. I wonder why. The irony is that whenever the war broke out, the same Henry Ford revolutionized, the manufacturing of war planes. Other admirers of that little mustache Austrian painter were Disney, King Edward the 8th, Duke of Windsor, Wallace Simpson, and... Yeah, Charles Lindbergh. Linnberg was a massive Nazi. Was he really?

Charles Lemberg's a massive Nazi, yeah. Whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No way. So this isn't as bad. Oh, this one's nowhere near as bad. It seems like... Stop, stop, stop, go back up.

Some of these seem like bots. Yeah. I mean, Ford was, I don't know, none of it. Ford was a great man. I mean, the my type of guy thing is very, yeah. Yeah. It could be shit posters. Well, yeah, which I think that's a lot of it too.

Yeah, who knows? Who knows? It's got Lionel Richie in his fucking, that's his image. So it seems like it's more of a social media thing than a YouTube thing where the comments were. But God, a lot of those seem like bots. Yeah, they do. These names with all the, when you. You see names like that with a bunch of numbers behind it?

I have so much more respect for Henry now. That's the one. Yeah. At the top. Yeah. But these are definitely nowhere near as bad. I mean. Now it's near as bad.

But the same thing. I have more respect for him. But look at what it is. It's the same thing. Right. It's these names with a bunch of numbers. Yeah. Yeah.

Almost a lot more. I mean, there was an article that we've referenced many times where a former FBI analyst was looking at Twitter before Elon Musk purchased it and he determined that it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% bots. Really? Because they were trying to say that it was 5%.

And they did that by a 100 post random sampling. So they just randomly got allegedly randomly. But if you're trying to sell something for $4 billion or whatever he paid for it. Is it $40 billion? What do you pay for it? For Twitter? Something

crazy. 44 billion? $44 billion. So if you're selling something for $44 billion, the last thing you want to do is find out that it's mostly just robots yelling into the abyss. Yeah. But this CIA guy or this FBI guy said he estimated it at the high end it's in the 80%. I mean, that seems so high, but probably. But it makes sense, though. It's probably right.

If you think about it, that's the town hall. And propaganda has always been a thing, you know, distributing leaflets, putting propaganda films out, all this. That's always been a thing. So why wouldn't you utilize like the greatest vehicle of propaganda the world has ever seen and just have an army of people comment on things? Makes sense. Yeah. Manufactured outrage.

Yes, which is what most things are now. It's like manufactured outrage or manufactured fandom. Like I feel like most things that are so popular now, there's no way that's authentic. Like what kind of stuff? Like certain movies will make just an astronomical amount of money. I don't think that many people want to see that movie. Like that new Spider-Man movie, that brand-new day? It's like broke every record.

Who the hell went to go see that, though? You'd be amazed. People love superhero movies. Or like the Ella Langley, you know, that muse, that song. Nothing against her, nothing against the song. But it's like baiting all these records. I don't know. A single person who's sitting around listening to that.

I listen to that song. Okay. I like that. You should go to a bar on 6th Street. Yeah. Okay. Isn't it really? Well, that actually makes popular as fun.

Yeah, maybe it makes, yeah. I think maybe I'm just, I'm not the best person to even talk about that kind of stuff because I'm in a dang one person bubble. Yeah, you're in a bubble. Have you ever seen her, there's a film of her, a video of her getting ready to go on stage and she's walking through the backstage area. And that song's staying alive as playing and she's dancing. It does a little kicks and stuff. Yeah. Very compelling.

It is. Isn't it weird how that video is so, like, captivating? Because I've watched it So, yeah Here it play it Give me volume This video Oh, because of the song

Yeah Yeah On that note I'll talk I'll tell you later And my mind Okay You want to just tell me now

And edit it out Yeah Yeah What? You and L O'Cool-J reciting the lyrics To go back to Cali Got flagged

Oh my God Because you recited the lyrics Oh my god These fucking criminals Was he reciting him? Yeah both of them Yeah but he probably

doesn't own the... No, it doesn't... It's not... It's just the flag itself. That's fucking bananas. Bananas. Wow. It's a weird world we're living in, man.

Yes. If you hum a song. Like, you know that song? I'm not gonna say it... I almost can't even talk about the songs anymore, but... Is it the... Is it the... Is it the...

Is it Sunshine of my life? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I do that all the time. Like, whenever I think about someone like, really high on drugs. I always like make that noise. And if you

can't, well, I'll make it real quick and then we'll edit it, right? Here we go. Sunshine of your love. Yeah, sunshine of your love. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cream. So, cream, right. So when, if you do that on a podcast, they'll flag you. Just do that. That's so crazy. Crazy. Oh my God. Crazy. I'm amazed mine

hasn't. Because I have a movie podcast. One of our categories is called Creed and Weep, where you have to place the Creed song, arguably the greatest song ever written My Own Prison by Creed, somewhere in the movie where you put it, and we always end up singing the song. They probably haven't got you yet. They'll find you.

I don't know. We do a good song. They're going to get you now. Now that you're talking about it here, they're going to get you. I know. Yeah, I shouldn't have mentioned it. But that Choosing Texas song is huge. No, it is, I guess.

It's huge. There's something about this world that is so chaotic that, it has made simplicity much more attractive and country music is making a giant comeback. Oh my God. A huge resurgence. Yes. It's because people want, like, they want to be by the river with a pickup truck and with, you know, just having a good time and praising Jesus and they, they want simplicity. They want things to be clearly defined and they want to take away the anxiety of the unknown, because the anxiety, the unknown, is looming over us constantly, like a fog, like that giant sky demon from stranger things.

Yeah. You know, that fucking thing. That's like looming. That's what our future, our uncertain future and this technological hell that we've unleashed on the world. And there's a lot of people that they long for the opposite of that. They long for Yellowstone. They long for cowboy shows. They long for things to be simple.

That's a big. No, I do agree with that where people just want to have land and people want to occupy their land and they want to raise families on their land. There's that. That's like 90% of... Homesteading. Yeah. And but I think with music, though, it's kind of interesting because, like, I mean, you could kind of say that about any time. Like the 60s, when was there ever a more, like, what the hell's about to happen to us?

Right. But then that was some of the most original music. ever made and some of those complex music ever made at that point. Sure. So it was like the chaos turned into chaotic music. Whereas now the uncertainty has turned into, God dang, I just want to make sure this music sounds the same. I want to know what I'm getting before I get it.

Well, that was... Maybe people just suck it making music now too. Oh, I don't know about that. Not, not in like overall, but I think what gets pushed to the top is more like that. I think people like whoever's marketing music whatever company

you know whether Sony whoever they're way less likely to take a risk on someone and they just know like okay this worked

the past 15 times well let's go and do 16th and do it that way where I think that wasn't always the case I mean you could definitely say there was like the pop you know bubble gum pop

of the 60s where it's just how many versions of the Dave Clark 5 can we make and then, but occasionally they would bust out, like, you know, like the doors or, you know, Big Brother in the Hole Company or something. Now I don't think there's any version of that. Well, I don't know if that's true.

No? No, because I think that today, one of the very unique things about today is that you don't need anyone for you to go viral. All you have to do is be able to post it online. Like Oliver Anthony is a great example of that. Right. He comes up with Richmond north of Richmond and it becomes this fucking massive hit. like out of nowhere. And it turns out he's actually really fucking talented

and stays independent and does it all on his own. Yeah. I think those are very few and far between. But they exist and they didn't exist before. So in the 60s, you couldn't do that. If you were going to release an album, you had to go through a music company. You had to go through a record company.

You had to have an agent. You had to have a manager. You had of all these. There was gatekeepers to keep you from getting on the radio. You couldn't just have a song. and bring it to the radio station and say, hey, would you play my song?

That's not how it worked. No, no, you had to bring it, yeah, you had to bring your demo to a label and then the label took care of the rest. Oliver Anthony's first time performing live was in front of like 12,000 people. Jesus Christ. So he's a guy who, like, makes a song

literally, like, in a field with a fucking cool guitar and sings the song, and it resonated with people so strongly that they just, went out to see him in droves. That is, but he's a very unique talent. Yeah.

But it's also like that thing now exists where it never existed before. And there are people like that out there. Yeah. There's a bunch of other ones that are really interesting that are popping off, like left and right all over the place, in that way, just resonate with people. I need to actually listen to some newer music because I never do. I'm so stuck in like older music. Have you ever heard his song

Scornful Woman? Oliver Anthony's? Yeah. Yeah. You played it for me. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was amazing.

Whoa. Yeah. That's an in preview. That was so good. No, he is amazing. And there are some people for sure. I just feel like talent has, I don't know, there's something that just feels too robotic about music.

Like whenever I hear songs now, it sounds like it's made on a laptop. Mm-hmm. But it's almost like too well produced. Whereas if I listen to like Van Halen 1, I can hear the times where Eddie Van Halen fucks up. Right, right, right. Even though he's the greatest good horse of all time.

Like, I want to hear the imperfections in that. And now you would have a producer go through and cut out every little thing. And it doesn't even sound like a person anymore. Right. So there's something that just feels like an uncanny valley about music now. Movies have become that way even to me. Well, there's a lot of AI. clips that I watch now on YouTube

with these short AI movies like Dracula versus the Wolfman and they're really clunky they're clunky and the graphics are kind of they're a little shitty they're really good but not good enough like you don't think it's real right but I'm just fascinated that a regular person gets to do these things

it's really weird yeah I mean there's part of me that thinks that's a good thing but part of me that doesn't sometimes I feel like there needs to be a bottleneck, you know, where I think, yeah, I don't know. I feel like less is more almost always. Well, it's definitely going to be hard to find the quality things. But I think that the quality things are going to exist where they wouldn't have existed before, like someone who's just a very creative person that has an idea that would have cost millions and millions of dollars to produce. Instead, it's just sitting at home with a laptop and an LLM and they feed it into that.

And next thing you know, you've got this really cool creative video that came out of their imagination that wouldn't have been possible. But the amount of those versus the amount of bullshit is crazy. That's the problem. That's the problem. And I think that's a big problem with music, too, is that there's just so much. Well, that's why live performance is so awesome. Like, going to see a live musician. You know, like Oliver Anthony played at our club.

He played at the mothership. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've only had two awesome bands play there. Oliver Anthony, his band, and Red Clay Strays. They're amazing. Amazing. So that's like one of the few bands of like, you know, that I do actively listen to. That's a modern.

Leedsinger, also Android user. There you go. Doesn't get a fuck. Yeah. No, I feel like there's quite a bit of, maybe quite a little overlap in between him and there's a rebellion thing about Android users. It's interesting. Yeah.

It's a bunch of people that I know that are Brian Simpson, Android user. See? Andrew Wilson, Android user. There's a bunch of people that are like, you know, just unwilling, unwilling to give in to the call of the siren. Exactly. No, I'm strapped to the damn to the mast at this point. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not.

Yeah. Well, I feel like if I change that now I'd be a real dickhead. Well, that's the problem with committing to something like that. Because if you tried an Apple iPhone and you realize, oh, my God, this is so much easier to use and better. and it does things for it. I don't want to even think about that. You'd give up on the convenience? Whatever was able to do things.

Yeah. You couldn't do without it. I'm not that interested in convenience. I don't really need convenience. No, because I don't do anything else. So I have the time to be having a less convenient life. Do you ever think that you will make your life more complicated? Do you ever see yourself having a family or anything like that?

Oh, geez. Oh, it's entirely possible There may already be one now. How old are you now? 32. Do you think about it someday? Do you like to have a little Cody running around? Man, I don't know.

Maybe. I don't know. I feel like I'd probably be an all right, dad. I'm sure you're a nice guy. I'm sure you'd be a great dad. It would change you. It'll change you. I don't know about it in a bad way.

But I won't be able to do it whatever I want to do. You won't. want. You won't. That's true. That's true. Yes, I'm a big like, but you will love this child more than you've ever loved anything in your life. It'll change your life. You don't have to. No, well, I'm not encouraging you. I'm not trying to get you pregnant. I'm not trying to get you who is a father. I'm not encouraging. I think I do not like the idea that you don't, the only way to live a fulfilling life is to be a parent. I think that is, uh, I think any sort of reductionist

perspective on a person's life and purpose, I think is ridiculous. There's a lot of people that have never had children that have greatly impacted the human race. Oh, for sure. In a super positive way. Yeah. And had wonderful relationships and friendships and people love them and miss them. And they genuinely change the world. You don't have to have children.

No, but in all seriousness, I probably will at some point. Yeah. I'm sure. I think you'd be a good. Yeah, I think I'd be, you know, a good husband, good dad, you know. So I'd probably do it. You might have to leave your town to find a, find, you got a lady right now? Yeah.

Oh, well, good. Congratulations. Yeah. Does she want to have little ones? Little Coeys? She already does. Sure he does. She doesn't already have little Cody's.

She has children already? Yeah. So, I mean, I guess I kind of don't have a choice in that matter. I mean, yeah, no. No, it's all going to work out pretty good. Well, I'm glad you're hopeful. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I don't really have much of a choice, you know. Yeah. Kind of be hopeful or. dread life. I'm not too interested in that. Well, people are always worried about the uncertainty and the unknown. Like we were talking about before, I really genuinely think that's why there's this genuine, there's a trend, a clear trend toward like simplistic music and simplistic lifestyles. And certainly during COVID, a lot of people like turned to homesteading. Yes. And they realize like, oh, we might not be able to have food, which by the way, I saw

maybe the worst movie I've ever seen in my life the other day. Okay. I think it's called The Last House. It's... It kind of looked interesting. Wait, hold on. The Last House? Are you sure that's what it was called?

I think that's what it's called. Yeah, it just came out. Yeah. Is it... Oh. Okay, it's good for a while. The ending is maybe the worst ending of any movie of all time. It's almost like they ran out of...

Yeah, this is it. This is it. Yes. These people get, spoiler alert. They get trapped in the house by aliens. So aliens won't let you leave the house. You can't break the windows.

You can't open the door. For whatever fucking reason that makes no sense whatsoever. And then these aliens are like these big squid things that like octopus things and hang out outside your door. And then most people starve to death because they can't leave the house. But this one family, the dad's an engineer. They figure out a way to trap animals and drag them back into the house. And then they survive.

somehow or another, but there's these monsters that live out there. I don't want to spoiler it for anybody, but it's so the ending is so fucking dumb. You're just going to go, what happened here? And by the way, that guy who's the lead actors,

the guy who played Pablo Escobar. Yeah, Narcos. Yeah, he's amazing. He's nominated for an Oscar last year for some... I can't remember the movie. He's fucking great. No, he is. He's an amazing actor. Holy shit is this movie bad. How long do you think you'd be less than that?

In that kind of world? Trapped in a house? Trapped in a house is not good. You got all kinds of stock. Yeah. For good, you go, okay, good for a year? What are you good for two years? And then you're going to need food.

You're going to need to get out of the house. There's no way you're going to be able to live in your... The premise of the movie is ridiculous. Yeah. And they throw a trap out of the chimney, and that's how they catch animals on the front porch. It's the dumbest fucking... Oh, that's pretty good. Good thinking.

It's kind of okay. Like, maybe it kind of would work, but it's the ending. I don't want to give away the ending. The ending, you're just going to go, what the fuck just happened? I wouldn't last long. One of the monsters is a good monster, and it tells them, don't kill these people, and it opens the door and lets them out. After like six years.

Wait, so that's the ending? Oh, yeah. And then they never see the monsters again, and then they go sailing. It's the dumbest fucking ending you'll ever see in a movie ever. There's another trapped on a boat. Well, they're going to go around and eventually find other people that live too. Oh, God. But there's maybe like 30 people left on Earth.

And by the way, these monsters, they never see them again. That's also a part of the thing. Meanwhile, they're everywhere in the beginning. Every time it gets dark out and rains, these monsters are outside their house and they have to cover the windows. Or the monsters will see them. And then one day the monsters enter in the house and try to kill them. And then they fight with the monster and then don't kill the monster. And that monster decides they're a good guy.

And so he lets them out. I don't like any of this. Dude, it's so bad. The ending, you're good. going, what in the fuck did I just watch? I wouldn't make it three days. I can't ration. So I'd be really screwed.

You just eat all the potato chips and that's it. Oh, everything. I mean, I have plenty of things, and I could survive, but I'd get way too hungry. But if you knew, do you think you would change your behavior? Or would you say, like, let's just... It's too embedded. I've lived this way, way too long. Until the wheels fall off.

Let's go. I mean, it might as well. I have a clean bill of health as far as, you know, my doctor goes. I might as well go out with a clean. Bill of Health is, yeah. What if you found yourself out in the woods and there was no one anywhere around you, you like woke up and you're in a cabin, but you have like a rifle, a large amount of bullets, firewood, some sort of a wood stove, and water.

Do you think you'd live? No, so I would take the rifle and put it early. I mean, I would look out the windows and I would maybe like whistle. What if there's a bunch of books, like really cool books in the cabin? and all you had to do is just figure out a way to shoot some squirrels, stay alive. I wouldn't, nah, it wouldn't be worth it. I think I'd just send it. You just send it?

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I want to like an easy life, you know. I'm not meant for a difficult life. No. I've ruined myself, you know. Physically.

Okay. But mentally, you do like challenges. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah. I'm a big, well. Yeah, no, I love a mental challenge. challenge. I love keeping this thing going. It's just from there down, I'm not keeping, you know, I'm, well, I'm conserving energy, like I said, yeah, just in case. I understand. I understand your perspective.

Because if something happens, you're, you would be surprised, I'm telling you. I feel like you don't believe me at all on this, but if something happened, I'd, I'd really be able to take off, you know, pretty quick. What do you mean? Like fast. Run? Yeah. Yeah, I think you're delusional. Okay. Well. I don't think you'd be able to run If there was like you and me

And an animal was chasing us It's gonna get you I'm coming in first You're coming in second That's a hilarious perspective That's actually hilarious It depends on the animal I suppose It does not depend on the animal

It could be a fucking chicken chasing us I'm gonna get ahead of you By a large margin Really quickly And there's no way you can catch me It's not even physically possible What's the distance? It doesn't matter It could be 100 yards

It could be 100 miles 40-yard dash, my 40-time was surprisingly quick. I think that was a long time ago, COVID-D. It may have been a long time ago. I think there's a chance in hell that you could run faster than me. Probably not. No. No.

Well, we won't race, so I guess we'll never know the actual answer. Yeah, but it's just a weird idea that you have in your head. A guy who's so smart and who is so interested in facts and history has this one delusional idea that you can run. Interested in facts in history? Yes, smart now. You're smart. I can just remember things, but I'm a pretty delusional person in this aspect. I think life's way too short to not be delusional.

That's interesting. So it's like a protective shield, like being delusional? Yes. I think everything's going to work out always. Well, that's a way better perspective than everything is going to be doom. Those people are exhausted. No, so I do. Okay, I actually probably shouldn't have said what I said.

I do think everything's going to go bad. But I'm sorry, hold on. I think I did the wrong order. So I think everything's going to be bad inside. But on the outside, I try to be like, I try to convince myself that everything's okay. And it does work. Like, you know, but no, in the inside, I'm scared to death of everything. But everything is going well for you.

Yeah. Like you said, you got a lady in your life. Your page is doing fantastic. You've written two books. Like, things are going really well. Yes. No, no. It's not that.

I just think, like, you know, what if I have a heart attack right now? Or, like, what if, um, what if, um, what if, um, what if on the way home I die in a car wreck? Like, I'm always thinking. I'm a very what if person, which is why I don't like think about the future. Because when I think of the future, I'm not hopeful at all. It's always like something bad is going to happen to me in the future. But right now, nothing is. So if things start to happen bad, like if your health starts to fade, do you think you'll make

conscious decisions to become healthier? Oh, I would like to think so. So, but I don't know. I'm very much like a, as long as everything's coming back all right, I'm going to keep running this sandwich into the ground. Right. As long as everything's coming back. Yeah. But if I get an A1C test that looks a little iffy.

Well, I think that would probably change if you had children. Oh, yes. That would be one of the things that would change. You would want to be around for your children. And that does happen to a lot of people. They have children. They say, oh, my God, I have to be here for this little tiny person that I loved to death. I have to change my diet.

I have to change my life. Oh, yeah, no, there's no doubt about that. I would, yeah, I would change things up quite a bit. I mean, I have changed some things. I quit drinking. When did you do that? Seven or eight years ago. I don't know.

It was, yeah, probably about eight years ago. Yeah, actually, I mean, partly because it's like so far October stuff, you know. Really? Yeah, well, that was like whenever I first tried it and was like, oh, like this is way better than drinking every day. Yeah. You certainly feel a lot better. That's for sure. Yeah.

And then, you know, the month ends, and then I go back to drinking, but I'm, like, not enjoying it that much. And then by, like, February of, you know, after that November, I was just like, no, done, no more. I'm tired of drinking every day. I'm tired of drinking as much as I'm drinking and feeling horrible and just quit. Good for you, man. That's it. So I have it in there. I took eight months off, about eight months.

And then I went out with my wife and had a, I think I had a margarita. margarita or a glass of wine something like that and then i was like oh i think i'm back yeah i like see that's my problem i can't i can't have a little of something that's the big problem that's why drinking was kind of easy not that it was easy but it was kind of easy because i can just not drink i'll live like i can just have zero alcohol but i can't have zero food and that's my where my problem is right i overeat all the time because i just i feel like i'm never going to get enough It's like famine mentality, but I didn't grow up like, you know, poor or anything. So, I mean, not rich, but like, I don't know why I have this like mentality of like, oh, I got to have everything.

But that's how it was with alcohol, too, is like, I can't buy an 18 pack of beer because that's not going to be enough. Like, no, no, no, no. So I need to buy 2 18s because, like, I know that'll be more than enough. And I don't want to ever run the chance of not having enough. And because there's so much, I'm more inclined to drink. way more. I eat a lot, believe it or not. I'm a glutton. I have a problem. Like, I can't stop eating. I just burn it off, luckily. But I get to points where I don't. I get to points where I start getting a belly. And I start getting fat on the sides. And I look at myself in the mirror. I'm like, oh, you look like shit, dude. It's time to, like, button down the hatches.

I get to points. I've had some points where I got pretty, like, right before I did the carnivore diet the first time, I got pretty heavy. I got like, I think it was like 208 or 209, which for me, a lot. What do you, where do you normal run at? Right now I'm 200, which is good. That's, is that like normal? That's normal. 200 pounds is normal. When I get above like 205, I start getting a little nervous. That's what I'm getting. You notice that much of a change? Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah, you notice a change. I know it's a change in how I feel. I know it's a change. I'm feeling I'm carrying around extra weight. And I also just feel like shit, you know, just don't feel as good. But I'm a glutton, man. I eat so when I sit down to eat, I just can't stop. eating. I eat so much. I just, I eat, I'll eat like two, like, two entrees. Like, I'll have, like,

two steaks. I'll have a steak. I'll have a big, a big plate of pasta. I'll eat a bunch of appetizers. Like, if I go out to dinner with friends, I eat, like, a pig. I get, I eat so much, especially if it's Italian food. Oh, my God, I'm a glutton. I'll eat pizza and pasta. And then I'm just like, oh, my, my stomach is literally, like, like, I eat. My stomach is literally, like, I get, I'm, I'm like stretched to the boundaries, like, oh, then I'll sit there like a bear that's been shot with a tranquilizer dart. It goes, whoa. That's me.

That's actually me, like, almost every day. I just have self-control other times. And then I don't, you know, I do a lot of intermittent fasting. Or, like, if I eat at 7 p.m. at night, I literally won't have any food at all until maybe one in the afternoon the next day. And then I'll work out. I'll do all this different stuff. And then I'll eat something before I go and do a podcast.

Okay. And I do that all the time. So my body has these long stretches where it's allowed to digest all the food. But in the past, there's been moments in the past where I haven't done that. I'll eat late night snacks. I'll get up in the morning. I have a big breakfast. Then I have a big lunch.

And then it starts getting away from me. Yeah. So I've gotten a little bit better with it just, you know, over time. But mine is just very wave, you know, up and down, up and down. Right now I'm. I'm on a up, but an up in weight, not in goodness. Right. Yeah.

Like, I'm really going. Make corrections when you feel like you're going in a bad direction? Yeah, so I'm like, let's add some salads into this thing. And then I start doing that for a little. And then there's the down. That's where I, you know, lose a little bit of weight. My weight goes down. But then I'm like, yeah, but this kind of sucks.

So then I go right back up. So it really always sucks. I think it's just always either like it sucks, but I'm feeling healthier or sucks, but I'm feeling I'm eating good. Right. So, like, it's just kind of... Do you think you'd ever get to a point where you'd hire a trainer? Oh, God, that just feels real dumb.

Does it? No. I mean, a little bit, but I just, I can't be motivated by other people. Well, you don't have to be motivated by other people, but the other people can, like, take you through a routine where you don't have to think. So, oh, okay, okay, so not like a boot camp type thing. No. No. No, no, no, no.

Oh, okay, because I would not respond to over that. I mean, like, you know, you have a scheduled meeting where you meet a guy at like 10 a.m. someplace and you work out for an hour three times a week. So like a dietitian, like almost like what do you do when you meet with a dietitian? Sorry, but a trainer would be like someone who like can, they say, okay, what are your goals? What are you trying to accomplish? Okay, I'm going to help you do that. And there's people that are really good at that. Right.

There's a lot of jerk off trainers that are just assholes that just got a job at the gym. And most of the time, they don't even know what they're doing. There's a lot of people like that. I've met them. But then there's also people that are like really good at their job and take it very seriously and really like helping people and getting people on the right track. And recognizing that there's this moment where people start to feel better and recognize like, oh, this thing. Like my friend Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll is a great example.

Jelly Roll was 500 pounds. Hell yeah. He's lost 300 pounds. I mean, that isn't interesting. And he was a big excess guy. was drinking and eating and, you know, just off the rails. Now he's running every day. And now he exercises.

And I was just with him in Utah. We went on an elk hunt together. This guy's hunting. It's going up mountains and shit. He's like super healthy now. It's crazy. Yeah. And, I mean, he's like, I've never felt better in my life.

Like, I feel so fucking good. It's like, I can't believe it took me so long to get on this path. So I would do something like that, I think. Like a trainer actually, you know. sitting down with you and like it with him it just started with walking well that's the thing so i did buy a treadmill uh which has now become a clothes rack but i did buy a treadmill and uh i was like walking on i was like oh look at me i'm like you making a difference and uh then you know my heart started going a little fast and i was breathing a little heavy but it was you know just because

it's been like 30 minutes on the treadmill and then i got afraid that i couldn't catch my breath and i had a panic attack and i was like oh this isn't good and then every time i got on it And I immediately was like, oh, this isn't good, my breath. I'm out of breath, which it was fine. I mean, I was breathing fine. It's just psychological. It's all in my head. I have massive, like, panic.

Which is all, you know, from all, you know, the anxiety. Like, I'm sure if one thing got corrected, the other would correct. 100%. I like you. You're a really good guy. I want you to be better. I want you to be healthier. That's why I'm pursuing this line of discussion.

Yeah. It's an intervention. No, not really. But you know what one thing that would really help? Huh. Putting your treadmill in front of a television and watching a movie. Yeah. So that's what I was doing.

It's a great way to do it. Yeah, I was watching Lord of the Rings because I was like, I want to do the walk to more door thing. It's a little nerdy, but I love Lord of the Rings. And I was like, and that's walking. Like, I can walk, too. And so I was doing that. But then I was like doing some incline because I was like, I'm really going to test myself here. Probably shouldn't have done that.

Start slow. I didn't start as slow as I should have. Yeah. But you just need. This is one of the things that we've done these comedian workouts. I bring comics in and we have a gym next door. Okay. And the first thing I tell them before we do it, I go, you are not going to get exhausted.

You're not going to get exhausted and I'm not going to push you. Right. What we're going to do is we're just going to do a series of movements, very gradually build your body up to the point where you can start doing more. Yeah. And that's the way to do it. The way to do it is not like kick your ass the first day where you wake up and you're like, oh, fuck. You're sore getting out of bed. Fuck all that.

You need to build up. Like, if you try to do what I do, like, for the first day, it would be terrible for you. But you could do what I do eventually and be just like me, where I was like, I came here today. I feel fine. I feel great. But that's the thing. It's like you have to get your body to a resilience point. You've got to build it up.

But I think you should build it up slowly. Yes. And one of the best ways to do it is to do cardio where you're watching a good movie because you just get captivated by the movie. by the movie. You know, you're on a fucking elliptical machine, just watching a movie. That's why I watched John Wick so many times. It started during Sober October. Right.

Well, I was like, you know, I was just thinking like this, about this fucking revenge movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This keeps you going. Or anything that captivates your attention span and takes your mind off of the fact that you're breathing a little heavy. And you're not even breathing really heavy. No, and even whenever

I had the full, you know, freak out, I was fine. And even And after it was done, I was like, what the fuck were you freaking out about? Yeah. But then it just sticks in my head. Like, it always just, I don't know. I have a very... Well, you have an interesting head.

You know, the way your mind works, the way you're interested in all these different things, that also could, like, turn against you. Hmm. Boy does it. Yeah. Yeah. It's why I've slept with the TV on since I was three years old. Have you really? Yeah.

I can't... Does this day sleep with the TV on? It has to. Wow. Yeah. I can't be alone with my thoughts. Ever. Ever.

Ever. It's too much. That's interesting. Yeah, it's like... You never, like, meditate or anything like that? I've tried and, like, I can do it. Like, I can, you know, not try to have zero thoughts, but just let the thought come, let the thought go, you know, all that kind of stuff. But I don't feel any different afterwards.

And I've done it for, like, months at a time. Really? Yeah, it just does nothing. I just, uh, no. I just try to, um, like, suffocate it. Like, I just try to suffocate the voices and, you know. not voices, but like the thoughts. Yeah.

Just with distractions. Well, I think that's one of the interesting things about people. One of the things that I really love about doing this podcast is I get to talk to so many different kinds of people. And, you know, there's a lot of narrow-minded people that think that everybody should live one way. Everybody should think one way and behave one. And this is the right way. I don't think that's real. And I think there's a lot of different, very interesting, creative people that their brains work different than everybody else's.

and that's a great thing. Yeah. And your burden is that you can't be alone with your thoughts. But that's also why you produce so much great content. Because you can't be alone with your thoughts. So you're always engaging with stuff. Have to be distracted. So why not distract myself with, you know.

But it's also you're distracting yourself with stuff that's, I mean, it's really because of all these facts and all this information that you've acquired and all the stuff that you've put out there in the world, you've, like, changed a lot of people's perspective on things. things. You've given people a lot of stuff to think about, you know, and that's a great service. It really is. Yeah. I guess I never really think about it. It's the opposite of real housewives, what you're doing. Well, I wouldn't go that far, but it provides a service for me. But yeah, no, I guess I never really think about it like that, that people really, you know,

and get anything out of it. Oh, dude, I get a lot out of your page. That's why I'm always sending you interesting information. I know. Which is fun because some of it's stuff that I have heard about and I'm like, oh, I did a video on that like a long, long time ago. But a lot of it is and it's like, holy time. I never knew it. Which that's one of my favorite start to a sentence is did you know.

Like when someone comes up to me and says, hey, did you know, I'm immediately like, oh, come on, come on. And there's times where like, oh, I already knew it. But it's like, oh, well, that's cool. That's cool. You knew it. Yeah. Whenever they follow that up with.

like something I didn't know. Oh, man. That's like one of my favorite feelings in the world. Me too. It's learning something that I didn't know. Yeah, especially something really wild. Yes, yes. Like, whoa.

Especially if it's about somebody that is like well known. You're like, well, how does people not know that side of that person? And some of it's not even cool. Like the Henry Ford shit. Like, I didn't know that. Well, yeah, yeah. Yeah, not cool, like good. No, I know what I mean.

But yeah, but it's interesting to know that there's, you know, Some of our most celebrated people were monsters. We had it's like Gandhi, Mother Teresa. Yeah. You know, Henry Ford, Cesar Chavez. Mm-hmm. You know, I think most of those people were complete scumbag. I mean, some of them did some good stuff.

I mean, Mother Teresa never did anything good. But, I mean, Gandhi, you know. Was Mother Teresa that bad? Real bad. What was Mother Teresa's deal? So Mother Teresa had a, you know, she would like heal the sick and all that BS. But she basically just had a giant concrete storage room that she would put sick people in and donate and give all the money that was being donated to her to the Vatican, not use it to treat any of them. Really?

Because she believed that, like, suffering brought you closer to God. So she would just walk up and down the rows of sick, dying people. Like, look how close to God I am. She's a scumbbell horrible person. Really? So she could have helped them with medication? I mean, I think they were giving them, like, you know, very basic things, but, like, you know, they're sleeping on, like, concrete floors.

Like, meanwhile, she's getting millions donate, like, Princess Diana, you know, was giving all this money to Mother Teresa. And she's just this frail old, you know, nun, so you're none the wiser. But, yeah, she's just, like, funneling it right up to the Vatican. And was she portraying her role very differently than the reality of it? Yeah, it's the reason why she became, you know, Mother Teresa, like, to everybody. is this like sort of patron saint of you know which i don't know what she is the saint of if anything but like to most people in most people's eyes like that's a good person like oh you're just like

you know mother teresa synonymous like how Einstein is with being smart and marina is with like caring and kindness and virtue and she was just sending all the money of the vatican yeah the vast majority of the vatican and just having a you know a torture chamber you know people are just suffering constant so you think you'd go to mother territory She's going to take care of you and you just get locked in a basement. Yeah. Yeah, you get locked in this giant concrete room with like basically no windows, no sunlight getting in. And people just having like whatever dysentery or, yeah, whatever disease there.

Just diarrhea all over your bed sheets and just slowly slip away. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not good. It's like a frat house. The whole Vatican thing is so strange. That's one of the places that when I went to, I was a little weirded out. I was like, yeah, you guys have so much money.

A lot of money. There's billions of dollars in artwork there. You walk right, this is kind of crazy. They have masterpieces just kind of stacked all over the place. It's almost like they're hoarders for clear art. Yes, which I mean art is an embezzlement scheme anyways, but most of it is. You think? Yeah.

You don't think Hunter Biden was getting paid all that money because his art was amazing? What are you trying to say? Well, I mean, who am I to judge, you know, the talent level of an artist? But it is an interesting way to launder money, right? And they do it. I mean, like, there's no, like, what's to make a painting, you know, like 70 million?

And then one from ours you've never heard of, sells for like 35 million. You're like, especially modern art, which is like very easy to make. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. There's one that's sold, there's one that sold for, God, I want to say it was like tens of millions of dollars. I might

been like $60 million, but it's basically like a red stripe of paint, a black stripe of paint, and a red stripe of paint. And it's famous. And so there was this Christie's or Sotheby's, one of those auctions, one of those. And this thing got auctioned off for this fucking preposterous amount of money. And you're like, what is happening here? Like, is this a scheme? Is this like, how is this, how does this represent such an insubstrous?

an insane amount of generational wealth for just this stupid painting that you could make in a couple of hours. Not even in a couple hours, an hour. Well, you just don't get it. I know. I'm stupid. I'm uncultured. It's amazing.

See if you can find that painting, it's really crazy. When you see it, it's really crazy. You're, you're pissing. That's it. That's it. How much is that one, Jamie? Wow. I'm afraid to tell you, I think.

That's amazing, though. I don't know if this one was. This is actually on the top of the article. That's really a, I mean, it is that a beautiful. That's the one I'm talking about. Oh, my God. Does that say $10 million? No, no, it's different ones.

Yes, now it's not the list. Let me find that picture in the list. Oh, there was that Jackson Powell. That's it right there. 186 million. So, like, Mark Rothko is like a pretty well-known artist. Look at that. But that is $186 million.

Which is crazy because I think like a lot of the Rothko paintings are like that. And, yeah, he's like. Oh, yeah, I think there's the Jackson. Are those Pollocks? Three hundred million. Look at this one. Yeah. Isn't that?

3 million. Do you know about the whole CIA connection with modern art? Do you know that? With modern art. Do you know that? Do you know the sci op? With modern art? Yeah.

No. Oh. I'm so happy to tell you this. Oh, my God. Okay. So the CIA during the time of Jackson Pollock. Okay. Yeah.

Which is while we were in the middle of the Cold War, the CIA started this thing for modern art to pump up American art because we didn't have any art that compared with the classics from Russia. Right, right. So, yes, there's a documented basis to CIA Modern Art Sciop. This is from Perplexity, our AI sponsor. The CIA secretly supported the international promotion of American Abstract Expressionism during the Cold War. So what actually happened? In the 1950s, the CIA funded the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a Paris-based organization that sponsored magazines, concerts, conferences, and exhibitions.

It presented itself as an independent cultural organization while covertly advancing an anti-Soviet agenda. So American abstract expressionalism, the work of Jackson Pollock, Rothkow, Willem de Kooning, those guys that we just saw fit the agenda. Its individuality and experimentation could be presented as evidence of American intellectual freedom in contrast to the ideological constraints associated with Soviet socialist realism. The paintings did need to contain an explicit political message. Their freedom of form was the message. So how the SIOP worked, indirect funding, money moved through cultural organizations and intermediaries rather than appearing as overt CIA sponsorship. This is described as a long leash approach.

International exposure exhibitions held establish American paintings prestige abroad. Historians have identified CIA backing behind the new American painting which toured Europe in 1958 to 1959. So all that art that you look at and you go, this is fucking bullshit. How did this become so famous and so valuable? Right. Fucking CIA. That's so weird. I mean, it does make perfect sense.

Same people brought us MK Ultra They engineered So many very weird and twisted aspects Of our society Yeah well there's all the connections Or what people think of connections You know with like the music scene in the 60s Oh yeah

Because like so many of them Strange times in Laurel Cannon Yes yeah yeah yeah Yeah like Morrison's dad Jimorson's dad being You know the Navy Admiral He's an intelligence agent He was the Navy Admiral

During the Gulf of Tonkin Yeah He was responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin Yeah And Jim Morrison used always like in interviews and asked by his parents he would just say they died in a car wreck yeah that was always his response they died in a car wreck uh they hit a group of indians that's what he said hmm is that still alive yeah his parents were alive yeah live and well they were

in one documentary about the doors i watched like they finally interviewed his dad and asked him like what he thought about jim morrison it was kind of weird but it was like back in the maybe 80s or so but yeah the thing is they were good they were really good so the yeah so the question is like can you really engineer that kind of creativity and talent well that's what I that's where I get kind of skeptical about that side of it is that yeah like or were there a lot of military kids in that area because it's where there's a lot of military base in that area and are there just naturally going to be a lot of kids and kids tend to rebel against their parents well if my parents are involved with the

military, you know, screw the military, I'm going to make, I'm going to get involved with the group that doesn't like the military. Yes. And 90% of them go on to be, you know, teachers, lawyers, doctors, wherever the hell. Yeah. And then there's like 10% who just happen to be good musicians. Like how much of that is like, yeah, is the CIA just plucking kids of, you know, whatever? Well, people tend to definitely create like a picture that doesn't exist.

They tend to draw lines and connect dots. and we look for patterns that perhaps don't exist. But it's because so many patterns do exist. Well, and your brain's wired to look for patterns. It's why you can convince somebody of fake memories. It's why, like, you know, I mean, people will give whole explanations for an event that never occurred. But it's because they know the beginning and end, so they have to be able to connect that. Right.

Because you have to have the pattern. I mean, optical illusions, like when you see an optical illusion, the reason, the reason, And the reason why it's an illusion is because your brain is trying in there somewhere to establish a pattern. What was that one that we looked at the other day, Jamie, where they look like two different colors until you put your fingers over the line in between them and then they all of a sudden become one color? It is so weird. Yeah, there's some interesting ones with that or like where you'll have like a Coca-Cola can that looks red in the picture. But it's actually all black and white. It's just because there's these tiny green lines.

Oh, yeah, okay, I remember seeing this one, yeah. That's crazy. Like that thing right there, make that large, please. That thing is, they're both the same color. Yeah. And you don't realize it until you take your fingers and cover the line. And then you go, what in the fuck is that? How is that possible?

It's because of a, what do they call it? Because of a. Jesus. What is it called again, Jamie? What's that? Corn Sweet. It's called the Cornsvasion. Yeah.

That's nuts. That one's nuts because you would swear to God that the lower one is a lighter color than the upper one until you block out that line in the center. And you're just like, holy shit. Oh, there's so many of those too. Like, they're just so, they're fascinating to me of like how your brain can trick itself. Yeah. Yeah, it's just the whiteness of the top of the bottom one that makes it seem like it's a different color below it. But that's because in patterns, that's how it would be.

Like in anywhere else in nature, something has to be. that white of a top, then surely it must be a lighter color. And the thing that's darker, like that dark, would normally be darker. It's just weird that your brain fucks with you that much. Yeah, it's trying. It's damnedest to, you know, get you where it needs to be. Right. It'll definitely.

And I think that applies to, like, connecting these dots. Oh, yeah. Like, Jim Morrison's dad. Wasn't it? That's the CIA engineer, the hippie movement. Right. Which I think there's some evidence that they probably were involved in that as well. There's definitely some evidence that they were involved in promoting hip hop.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, with the hippie movement, too, there's, there is evidence that they were, you know, helping to stage protests and, like, you know, organized protests. But even, like, was it, like, Gloria Steinem was working with the CIA at one point to stage, you know, like these things. So, like, there's always been that version of it, but then it's just, you know, whether or not all of it is because of that. No. No. I don't think you can engineer Hendricks. No. Right?

Because I've heard that argument. Hendricks wasn't even like an anti-war person. Hendricks didn't give a name. He was in the war. He was in Vietnam. Well, he, you know, he had songs that were anti-war. It was not necessarily as a song called machine gun. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I mean, as far as like outwardly, so not necessarily the music, but like outwardly speaking against the war. He was not necessarily one of the, like, you know. He spoke out against it on stage. Against the war? Yeah. I don't remember ever seeing them, like, actually speak out, like, full. against the war. I thought he was... He's speaking out against the war and against violence on stage in the live version of machine gun.

Oh, maybe so. Yeah. Well, no, I think, no, it was more like in his day-to-day life. Like, he used to get really angry with people who would, like, criticize the war if they, like, said certain... Or, like, we're critical, not the war, but of, like, soldiers. I think he used to get, like, really upset about that. Yes, Jimmy Hendrick expressed anti-war views through his music, especially machine gun. But his politics were more complicated than a simple a lifelong pacifist label. Counts of his early career describe him as supporting U.S. involvement in Vietnam before his later music became closely associated with opposition

to war. Well, he was a young man. I mean, he died and he's only 27. The Machine Gun is the clearest example. Released on Band of Gypsies in 1970, portrays the brutality of war through lyrics and guitar sounds resembling gunfire. Fucking great song. Explosions

and cries. Hendricks dedicated it to people fighting in Vietnam, and Berkeley and within themselves, connecting the battlefield violence with conflict at home. Fuck, that guy was good. Yeah. But even that's not necessarily anti-war. Like, you know, depicting war isn't necessarily being anti. I mean, now going on stage and saying, like, you know, anti-war things.

But I think he was more like, I know he got in a fight with, was it like Pete Townsend or Mick Jagger with somebody because they were criticizing, like the troops who were in Vietnam. And he was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, like, hold on. Like, I was a true. I was a troop in Vietnam. Like, they're not the problem. It's the, like, yeah, being against, like, the government. Yeah. I'm sure.

But, yeah. But, like, Jim Morrison wasn't, like, anti-war. He just liked to pull his dick out. He's just like pulling his dick. Chuck Lorry was here the other day. And he told us that he went to see Jim Morrison in concert. He didn't even get through the first song. He tried to pull his dick off.

And they came on the stage with horseback to remove him. He's on horses. I mean, he was just such an animal. It might not. This is not a, the same. fight you said but this is an interesting fight between Jimmy Hendricks and Pete Townsendon Backstage argument not a documented fist fight Jimmy Hendrix and Pete Townsendon clash at the Monterey Pop Festival June 181967 over who had performed first

Neither wanted to follow the other's explosive stage act read the quote It was just Jimmy on a chair playing at me playing at me like don't fuck with me you little shit Standing on a chair playing guitar at him Yeah, that's what Townsend said Jimmy did attacking him his play. Not only that, like, imagine, like, him playing in front of you going, I'm not following that. Yeah.

That's when he says guitar on fire. Yeah, it was, uh, Townsend's, oh, so it wasn't Townsend's guitar? I've always heard that it was Tom and, uh, Townsend's guitar that he was playing. I mean, it could have been. They might have just left that fact out of this. Oh, so they wanted to play first. So the Who wanted to play first? Yeah, because they didn't want to follow.

They didn't want to follow Hendricks. Yeah. Injured. Townson smashed his guitar during their set, and Hendrick, weeks later famously set his own guitar on fire. Yeah. Wow. Interesting.

Yeah, there's some interesting stories like that, too, like with Jerry Lee Lewis, you know. Oh, yeah. With a Chuck Barry, lighting his piano on fire. And said, following that motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing.

I mean, he almost killed a couple people. May or may not have killed a couple of his wives. May or may not have. Seems like you probably might have been. Tried to kill Elvis. Did he try to kill Elvis? Yeah, he showed up drunk as hell at Graceland and tried to ramming his car through the gates and stepped out waving a gun in the air saying, I'm here to, like, let's see

who's the, or he said, like, let's see who's the real king now. It was trying to kill him. And Elvis, meanwhile, was inside, watching them through the security camera, you know, going like, oh, you got to get down here, you know. And cops show up and Jerry Lee Lewis gets back in his car with the window still up, doesn't realize the windows are up, grabs a liquor bottle, and throws it at the cops and just shatters in his car. Yeah, that guy was a loose.

fucking canon. Yeah, I'd say. Yeah, I mean, well, Jimmy Swaggart's cousin, you're gonna be a little That's right. Did you make a video about that? I don't think it made one about them being cousins, but I made one about him, you know, being a lunatic. Yeah, he was a legit lunatic. Yeah, absolutely, like, psychopath. It was Jimmy Swaggart's a lunatic. And their other cousin was like Mickey Gilley, I think. He was also a very famous country singer, but, um, wow, Jimmy Swigart and Jerry Lee Lewis. Well, it's interesting, like the preacher connection to entertainment. Well, it's the same. It's one and the same.

Yes. Especially that type of picture. Like, a televangelist is... Oh, yeah, there they are. Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Lee Lewis. Look at them. They both are like psychos. Let me see that.

Close it on that picture again. Look at they both look like complete psychos. If I was alone in a room with these guys and they were drinking, especially Swaggered, I've got to get the fuck out of here. Look at his eyes. Yeah. Like he looks dangerous. Yes. He looks like a fighter.

Yeah. He looks dangerous. Yeah. And Jerry Lee Lewis. I have sinned. Remember that? I have sin. You got busted with hookers.

Didn't you get busted a second time? I have sinned. It was amazing. Didn't you get busted a second time after that? I wanted to say he did, but maybe not. You know, Kinnison was a preacher too. Yeah. Which that's a perfect crossover too.

Perfect. Just that stage presence. I mean, obviously, that's a different kind of stage presence. I'm sure you've been at church. Church is, if someone's a good preacher, they're entertaining. Yes. Part of it. Part of it is your charisma.

Yeah, when I was a kid, we went to this, like, non-denominational church, and, like, our preacher was like, yeah, very captivating. Everybody loved him. He's very friendly. And he was a good guy. I mean, there was no, like, dark side to him, as far as I know. But there's definitely ones to have a big old dark side. It was caught in a second prostitution scandal in California in 1991.

Oh, my goodness. I mean, what was the first one? What was the first one? 88 and then 91. Three years later, they had their eye on him. I've sinned against you, my Lord. Well, speaking of about what's his name just died? Fun times.

What's his name just died? Oh, Jim Baker. Did he? Yeah. Oh, that's right. Like a couple days ago. Oh, that's right. And Timmy Fay died a while back, but poor Jim.

Rest in peace, I suppose. Yeah. And who was the gal? Tammy Fay. No, the other gal that he had the affair with. Oh, oh, um. Oh, boy. I always get the Clinton scandal.

She's very pretty. Stuff, like names wise. Jessica Hahn. Jessica Hahn. And Jessica Hahn went on to become Sam Kinnison's girlfriend. Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't know that.

That's interesting. Went on the Howard Stern show and talked shit about Sam Kinnison. That's amazing. God, that's a good... Wow, I did not know that. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, you should put a video...

A hundred percent. Yeah, I never knew that one. Yeah, Jessica Hahn had a fling with Sam Kinnison. God. Yeah. Yeah. There, she is. She was hot back in the Disney

See if there's a photo of Jessica Hahn with Sam Kinnison Look at her Dirty Dirty hot lots of makeup That's how I like them Yeah that's Yeah Oh that's her in the

Sam Kinnison and Jessica Han Oh is that the wild thing video Remember when they did wild thing Like the country? Yeah Wild thing that's her I'm pretty sure that's her Yep that's her

Go back to that last picture She's hot as fuck Super hot Woo Jim Baker let's go Yeah so Jim Baker I mean, my God. How could you fucking be mad at him?

I mean, who wouldn't be tempted by that? That's what I'm saying. Oh, my God. I've sinned, my Lord. I mean, it could be worse. It could be the Hugh Grant situation, you know, Devise a rough one. Like, you know, Jim Baker went the opposite way. Yeah, he was driving around getting street hookers.

Yeah. That's what you want. You want somebody to cheat somebody with a... Hot. Hot. Because then it's like, God damn. Yeah, hot, big a high. There is.

Sin. Boy, what a good actor. Oh, they all kind of are. For me, he will be that photo with him and Jeremy Lewis forever. Yeah. Young man. You're looking at that young man's eyes? Yeah.

The darkness. Do you ever watch Great Bowls of Fire? Yeah. Dennis Quay. It's an Alan Baldwin, isn't it? It plays Jimmy Swagger. Oh, that's right. Yeah, and Dennis Quaid is a...

Denis Quaid was a... Jerry Lewis. Jerry Lewis. He's really. I love a big Dennis Quack. Oh, he's great. He just been breaking a wall. way that's another one yeah look at that yeah yeah there they are wow it's actually like perfect casting

yeah like alec Baldwin is a good a pretty like convincing jimmy swagger i haven't seen that movie a long time oh yeah me there's a winona rider too i think isn't it they played the cousin that he married yeah she's on the line with crazy you started stealing things that was odd i think people just like the pressure of that kind of fame and that that that life just a lot of people It was just too much. They just go crazy. Oh, they're all nuts. I mean, James Brown was a lunatic.

Oh, James Brown was amazing. He tried to kill Joe Tex at a restaurant. I mean, at a club, I mean. He got in a shootout with the cops and a high-speed chase because someone was using his bathroom. Someone was taking a shit in his personal bathroom. Which is actually understandable. Yeah, it was like across four states, wasn't there? They shot his tires out.

That's one of my favorite videos ever is that news. CNN. Oh, my God. He's like, wait, don't need to ask him. You're out of mail. I'm out of love. And he just keeps, like, reciting his song lyrics. He's like, I feel good.

Shooting erupts over James Brown's height. His height. Nobody just. Police in Atmore say a man shot his friend when the two of them argued over James Brown's height. Oh, was Jim. I thought it was too. Some other people.

That's hilarious. You guys. The guy died. He got shot and killed. He was 73 years old. He got killed over an argument. It was unclear exactly how tall he was. All right, Cody. Listen, man. Thank you very much for being here. Oh, absolutely. Always fun to talk to you. Dude, thanks for having me again. My pleasure. Like I said, I love your page. Your book is where did that come from, the hidden history of everyday words and phrases. Cody Tucker out now. Is there an audio version of this? No, not yet, but I am working on one. I got the person who did mine. like the graphics, which I give a shout.

Carly, an amazing job with the, you know, making it look like an old school book, like how I want it. It does. Yeah, her husband's a comic, K.P. Burke, a great dude. He does a lot of, like, this kind of stuff, like the long-form history stuff. Oh, so he's going to read it? No, no, no, but I'm just saying, like, that's, hey, he just does that. It's a very interesting guy you should check out at some point. It does, like, really cool history, like long-form videos.

Oh, where? What is this? What is this? What is his name? What's his name? K.P. Burke. He does stuff with like the SDR, you know, like Ralph Sutton and like Jason Ellis and like all those guys. Oh, okay.

Yeah, good dude. But his wife set everything up and she's going to do like the audio book and everything. Oh, dope. But are you going to read it? No, I'm going to read it. Okay, good. Yeah. Beautiful.

No, I'm going to read it. Yeah, that would be very disappointing if you. No, I'm definitely going to. All right. Beautiful. Well, thanks for being here, brother. Thanks for having it. My pleasure.

All right. Bye, everybody. Thank you.