The Joe Rogan Experience - #259 - Mike Birbiglia

Episode Date: August 30, 2012

Joe sits down with Mike Birbiglia. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everybody, it's Joe Rogan, and this is my podcast. And this is the new way I'm going to do my commercial now. Because I can't keep saying it the same fucking way. But it turns out the regular way, halfway through it. Somewhere along the line, I give give up I always give up our podcast is sponsored by on it which is essentially a vitamin supplement and fitness company it's a company that I am a part of I own a part of the company the reason being that I got involved in it and I believe in the ethics of the company and I believe what
Starting point is 00:00:43 they're selling we sell the best quality nutrients. Some of them are nootropics, some of them are sports exercise ones like Shroom Tech Sport, Alpha Brain is the the famous nootropic one. We also sell hemp protein powder with maca and raw cocoa. It's fucking fantastic stuff. Kettle bells and battle ropes. It's all essentially fitness and lifestyle and health supplements. And it's all stuff that I believe in. It's all stuff that I've always been taking long before I ever got involved in this company. So if you're interested in it, if you're interested in nootropics, a very controversial area,
Starting point is 00:01:23 I want you to just go to Google and just Google the word nootropics. N-O-O-T-R-O-P-I-C. It's all about supplementation to enhance your brain's ability to produce neurotransmitters. It's all very complicated stuff. That's what I need. A retard like me should not be really talking about it because I don't really know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? I'm just repeating scientific shit that i've read but i believe that if you believe in it i i actually would take that to heart because you you actually don't really i mean
Starting point is 00:01:53 i don't know your finances but you don't seem like you need a lot of money but you were on a network oh you're hosting a network tv show for a lot of years you were a star of talk radio news radio and everything well i'm also an idiot i could have spent that money i could have burnt right through that shit yeah he's got gold buddhas um yeah this i would never get involved with anything that i don't believe in i just wouldn't i don't have i don't have another life to live just i've got one and while i'm already ahead and i'm you know i'm not uh I'm not worried about paying my bills and everything's going well, the last thing I would ever do
Starting point is 00:02:27 is get involved in anything that I didn't really. That's not true though because I did do Fear Factor again for another term. But you got to really, I really liked those guys that I worked with. And you're good at it too, by the way. And I would be sick if I saw somebody else doing it. I really would have.
Starting point is 00:02:42 Even though that show was retarded, that was my baby. I did 148 of those fucking things. But there's no way I would be involved in a company unless I believed in it. And everything that we sell on it is all stuff that I use in my daily life that I've talked about long before I got involved in this company, especially kettlebells, which I feel are the best as far as strength and conditioning. If I had to pick one exercise,
Starting point is 00:03:06 I think kettlebells is the best piece of exercise equipment that you can have. It's like a cannonball that's got a handle on it. It's all about controlling this fucking cannonball. They come in a bunch of different sizes. I use sometimes as light as 35 pounds, sometimes 50 pounds, sometimes 70 pounds. They give you amazing workouts that directly apply to jujitsu for me, but for any athletic endeavor where you, what it relies on explosiveness and
Starting point is 00:03:31 muscle power, and it's all exercises that make your body move as one complete unit, as opposed to like isolation exercises, which a lot of people do at the gym when you see them lifting weights, this is something where your entire body, like there's things called Turkish get-ups, where you hold this weight up, you're lying on your back, and then you slowly and controlledly stand all the way up to your feet and then bring it all the way back down. It's a really odd thing, you would think, but it's really applicable for strength and fitness in real-world athletic pursuits
Starting point is 00:04:02 and even just for picking shit up and even just for having a strong body. It's better to have a strong body than a weak ass bitch body. There, I said it. All right. Unless you date girls that are bisexual, they tend to like the bitch body look. Do they really like that?
Starting point is 00:04:18 Do girls who are bisexual, they like a guy that's not guy-like? Right. That's too much of a gamble, though. That's my secret. Yeah, she's going to gamble for a niche market? I'd say you could probably get them anyway if you bulked up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:30 I don't know. Anyway, supplements. Go to Anna.com. Use the code name Brogan, and you will save 10% off any and all the supplements. The kettlebells and the battle ropes, that shit does not work on. We sell them as cheap as we can, especially with the kettlebell with the kettlebells it's very difficult it's like you're sending cannonballs through the mail but they're as durable as fuck and they'll be here forever all right that's it mike berbiglia is here berbiglia excuse me mike berbiglia
Starting point is 00:04:57 the joe's in the fucking house experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day sorry this commercials are brutal. It's interesting to me, though. It's like something that I've not, I've never investigated. I've always just kept at arm's distance that kind of, the nutrients and the vitamins and things like that. I've just, ah, I don't understand it. I'm not going to go near it. But you, and I've listened and watched this podcast, you seem to know a good bit about it.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Well, I know from my personal experience, it makes a big difference for me what I eat. If I really concentrate on like the most important thing, I think, is nutrients from food. That's the most important thing. You've got to eat healthy food. And then supplementation on top of that. But you have to have the actual nutrients. So what did you eat for lunch today? This morning I had a hemp protein shake.
Starting point is 00:05:55 I only ate once. I just had a hemp protein shake with a banana, coconut oil. I had two cigarettes and Starbucks. And coconut water. Yeah, no, I don't eat i don't eat heavy in the mornings i eat really light in the morning i usually just have a shake or have a kale shake that's my most uh common thing that i have i'm just if i'm lazy or if i'm running out the door i don't have time to make it but it takes a few minutes to make it
Starting point is 00:06:20 i have to clean the kale and clean celery and cucumbers and then I take chunks of ginger and raw garlic and there's a thing called a what is the name of the blender it's just badass blender but it's specifically designed for this purpose yeah it's got like a plunger and you shove everything in there Vitamix is that it Vitamix yes that is it thank you and it fucking whips it down to like a drinkable consistency yeah i put like pineapple in it to make it taste good and uh it's fucking great man it doesn't taste that good but for your body it's great you know it gives you just like this charge of like good stuff it's like your body knows it's got all these nutrients to work with but isn't this their inherent contradiction with because i know that
Starting point is 00:07:06 you're you know you do the ultimate fighting uh stuff yeah is that what it is yeah it's called ultimate yeah it's called the ultimate fighting championship but that seems to be people murdering people like other people slamming on you and making it so that your health is no longer a possibility you can look at it that way and then that is certainly part of it so that your health is no longer a possibility. You can look at it that way. And that is certainly part of it. But what it also is is competition in the highest and most dramatic form that a human being can see other than war. Right. The way the Olympics is.
Starting point is 00:07:37 I mean, it's not the healthiest thing to be an Olympic gymnast. Yeah, maybe. But this is even worse because this is another person dominating you yeah you know the the idea of losing in gymnastics is you know i'm sure a cruel bitch after years and years of practice and you slip when you land yeah but it's nothing like getting your ass kicked yeah there's nothing like getting just the fuck beat out of you in front of the world yeah and there's the emotions that are involved in that of control. The place to look is to look at the very, very best guys.
Starting point is 00:08:12 If you look at the guys like Anderson Silva, he's this insanely good fighter, insanely good, but such a nice guy, like a sweetheart of a guy, always laughing and always joking. He's just controlled all of his demons and all of his bullshit with like the most intense form of competition physically available so it's there's a lot going on that people don't see they see people just kicking people's asses it's not just that there's there's a whole side to like the cure we are I'm not even kidding
Starting point is 00:08:45 I swear to you when I say I'm from Shrewsbury people say I'm from you're from where Spags is I think there was a gig there I think that's why I'm remembering it I think it was one of those
Starting point is 00:08:54 Boston comedy gigs did you ever work for Boston comedy oh yeah yeah yeah for sure well there was an Aku Aku
Starting point is 00:09:00 in Worcester yes yeah yeah I grew up driving by the Aku Aku where it would say comedy night. Yeah, was that a Knicks comedy stop? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:09 Is it still a Knicks comedy stop? I don't know, actually. And then there's Giggles out there and Saugus. That's Mike Clark's. I never did that. It's got a great pizza place. Really? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:19 Pizza's great. It's right next door. Massachusetts pizza's very underrated. Very underrated. It's Greek pizza. It's good. Giggles was a great gig. Mikeark is lenny clark's brother yeah i know and fucking great nice guy yeah oh he's the best but we had in my town shrewsbury very small town we had i had four pizzerias within a half mile shrewsbury pizzeria village pizzeria dean park in white city
Starting point is 00:09:41 i thought that massachusetts pizza was really good until I moved back to New York. And then I realized there's a few places like in Yonkers. Yeah. There's a place in White Plains called Nicky's, Nicky's Pizzeria. Yeah. They have a white pizza that is so fucking good. I got to try that. It's like, how come they can't make this anywhere else?
Starting point is 00:10:00 Yeah. Why is this not in California? We have a, in my movie Sleepwalk With Me, there's a pizza pillow. There's a pillow made of pizza as a prop, and it was done by Roberta's, which is in Brooklyn, and it's fantastic. Check out Roberta's if you can. Yeah, there's some legit old-school New York pizzerias that just can't be fucked with. They're artisans. Arturo's on Houston's like that.
Starting point is 00:10:26 Oh, yeah. There's a lot of them. Yeah. There's a lot of them. John's is like that. I just remember a place in Yonkers. I don't even remember the name of it, but my friend used to know. It was like his buddy's dad ran it for 100 years.
Starting point is 00:10:41 And it just was ridiculously good, thin crust pizza. It was like, this is just some weird place. Like, you look on the outside. If everybody knew about this, it'd be a fucking mile-long line. I mean, you go to that Pink's Hot Dogs. Isn't that the craziest thing you've ever seen? Yeah. Because they cook the hot dogs at night, or outside, rather.
Starting point is 00:11:02 It's just this giant line of people who are basically waiting to get a very mediocre hot dog. Yeah. But this pizza is just... I love that phrase. If everybody knew about this. That's like the thing that they say in advertising rooms. Like, if we could just get everyone to know about this. There's some shit like that that just sneaks through.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Like, we all know comics like that. That have just snuck through. Oh, yeah. know comics like that that have just snuck through. Oh, yeah. If everybody knew. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, who would be yours? Do you know Brian Holtzman?
Starting point is 00:11:30 No. Brian Holtzman, for sure. No doubt. Brian Holtzman. Brian Holtzman has made me laugh harder saying inappropriate, ridiculously inappropriate shit than anyone. Well, that's how I feel. I mean, it's.
Starting point is 00:11:41 Brody. I'm talking about someone. Brody's starting to get a little famous, a lot of people know brody now i'm talking about someone pretty famous but but i feel like stanhope is like that to an extent where it's like yeah he's very famous he has a big following but like if people saw live his his 90 minutes he puts on yeah people would be like oh that's the best comedian alive yeah he's doing what i love to watch as a comedian as a comedian he's like and he and i had a conversation about it too it's like what one of the things as you get older you really appreciate guys that are still
Starting point is 00:12:17 doing real fucking comedy they're still saying what they really really think yeah yeah so because somewhere along the line i mean we mean, we're not naming names. Norton's another one of those, by the way. He's another one of those, for sure. He's the one who told me to come here, by the way. We were at the comedy salon. We were talking about podcasts. And he goes, have you ever listened to Rogan's podcast?
Starting point is 00:12:34 And I go, no. He goes, it's incredible. You've got to go on. It's incredible. And so then I started listening to it, and then I just dropped you a note. Oh, that's awesome. I love Norton. Norton and I went to see Dice in vegas we went and sat in the audience norton and i and bobby kelly and brian and
Starting point is 00:12:49 anthony cumia and sam roberts we all went there drove a big fucking limo together we all had dinner it was like a gentleman's night it was great it was fun we ate at a steakhouse and then we all went to a show that's fun yeah well yeah, it was fucking great. Yeah, I did that. I'm going to counter that with a much dorkier version of that, which is my wife and I and Ira Glass, who co-wrote my film, and his wife, the four of us went to see Stanhope at Caroline's. It was the last comedy show. Because Ira had never seen Stanhope, and I was like, you've got to see this guy. There's nothing like him. Yeah, I loved Doug. last comedy show and i because because ira had never seen stanhope and i was like you gotta see
Starting point is 00:13:25 this guy there's nothing like him yeah i loved i love doug and then of course doug when he finds out ira's there makes fun of ira makes fun of public radio for like 15 minutes and uh and ira's like how you know how did this become about me i just want to go see a show listen man if you're on national public radio it becomes about you if you're in your room yeah i know if you're in the room it's just that that is a silly topic they're not allowed to have any emotions everything has to be talking about it like this completely unreasonable but irish show is incredible it's very different is it different this american life have you ever listened to it no never oh you'd love it really this american life is incredible it is i i it's funny i've never had to sell it to anybody
Starting point is 00:14:11 before because people listen to it so much but like it's like um i've seen it in the ratings it's a radio it's a it's a weekly radio documentary imagine your favorite film documentary and take that to radio and it's it's incredible what they do it's like a fucking miracle really it's a fucking miracle you would you personally would love it dude i'm on it i'm on it i'll get on it today on it.com you should go on their you go on their website and look at like you know they have like a list of like these are the legendary episodes the the gateway drug. Oh, really? The gateway drug of this American life, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:46 Oh, that's a good idea, to have the episodes that they feel best represent them. You guys should have that. I should totally have that. Yeah. I'm lazy, dude. Where are you on that? Where are you guys on that?
Starting point is 00:14:55 What's going on? We're not anywhere on that. We just put them up there. But there's a lot of websites that sort them out. We can only do so much, man. Yeah, you can only survive. And we're doing like three and four of these a week sometimes wow yeah lately it's been four you know like we do
Starting point is 00:15:10 like we did we're doing three together and i did one yesterday with brian callan just me and brian oh cool and then we use it another one brian's another one by the way comedian you might not know yes fucking hilarious hilarious ridiculous yeah he came over my house last night we had a little family barbecue it was fun yeah he's nice he's just such a silly boy yeah absolutely he's so fucking silly he's such a fun dude and norton if people i love that phrase if people knew about this norton is uh a guy even though everybody knows him from the Opie and Anthony show. There's not enough people to know how funny he is as a stand-up. I saw him in Austin.
Starting point is 00:15:50 I was in town doing a UFC. Another thing, I got a chance to just sit down and watch a gig. Oh, yeah. It's really fun to do. It's fun, yeah. Especially if it's a guy like Norton. He made me change my act a little bit. Really?
Starting point is 00:16:03 Yeah, because I realized I was doing two long sets i like i did i wanted to do like these really long sets because i didn't want anybody to feel like they didn't get their money's worth i feel that way too really long i have that same thing but norton did like an hour and just fucking laid it down and i was like you know what man maybe that's a better thing maybe so i cut my sets down from like an hour and a half plus to like an hour and 10 minutes because I feel like nobody you know talk for more than an hour and ten minutes man when I started working the door I I started out working the door at the DC improv and what is that that's a stupid clock yeah he's gonna fucking cat clock no that's not a distraction dude you're right no but i started
Starting point is 00:16:47 out working the door at the dc improv and it was and it was really like comedy college because i was opening for like you know every week like jake johansson brian regan you know mitch hedberg david tell you know and uh and pablo francisco oh yeah that's a lesson in comedy. You watch him. He's another, if people knew about it, what a live Pablo Francisco show is like. He does, back then, at least, the week I opened for him, did 45 minutes, blew the doors off the room in a way that I've never seen. I've never seen anything like that. Pablo doesn't just do a comedy show. It's like a
Starting point is 00:17:25 multimedia presentation it's because he can make so many crazy noises with his mouth and he has so many nutty impressions of people yeah it's like a multimedia presentation sometimes he's somebody who if you if he really opened up and and did some personal stuff combined with the talent that he has with the noises and the sounds and everything. Yeah, but I don't think he can. Oh, wow. Would that be a good show? Yeah, it would be a very good show.
Starting point is 00:17:50 That would be something else. Yeah, he's a great guy, too. Really nice guy. One of the coolest things about comedy is that a lot of people assume that every comic is fucked up and that so many of them are antisocial and depressed. I don't find that to be the case. I find to be the case is like,
Starting point is 00:18:06 there's a lot of funny guys like Stan Hope. They're fun to be around. They're nice guys. I love what Stan Hope said when there was that whole comedy school debate happening. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. With Kyle Cease and everything. And Stan Hope just said he's going to have a free one
Starting point is 00:18:22 in Bisbee where he lives. I just love that. It's just like everybody should show up, just bring some drinks. Like Stan Hoag's whole thing is just like you learn about comedy, like offering the comedian you're opening for drinks after the show, just asking questions. That is a better way to learn. I think that's how I learned.
Starting point is 00:18:41 I have a real problem with comedy classes that are taught by people who are non-comedians. I've seen that. And I'm like, that's just craziness. Yeah. That doesn't even make sense. No. It's like English speaking taught by people who don't speak English. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:55 If you haven't actually done stand-up, and you have to do it for years, you have to get your dick kicked into the dirt on numerous occasions. You know? I mean, don't you think that made you, as a comedian, those really tough sets in the beginning, where you kind of realize what you've got to do to fix? Yeah, that's what my entire movie is about. It's about just failure and failure and failure,
Starting point is 00:19:18 and then finding, at the end of the movie, the character has just kind of, you see one sequence of, oh, this guy's gonna figure it out yeah eventually i think we all like start off terrible i don't i've never met anybody that started off good no i think it's for me like i worked i always tell people all comedians people who want to be comedians get a job at a comedy club because like i worked at the dc improv at the door and then after i punched out from making minimum wage i got to watch the show for free yeah and that's that's what you need yes you just need to see comedians over and over and
Starting point is 00:19:58 over again and go eventually go okay i can i can do something like that. It's a weird thing when you start to realize that it's a craft, but that yours is, it seems like it's kind of similar to other people's, but it's not. It's your weird take on shit, and you've got to find out what the fuck that is. You've got to find the silly. It takes years. Find the preposterous. Yeah, it takes so long, man.
Starting point is 00:20:23 And you get conflicted, and you don't know if you're being full of shit. Am I being, is this an affected attitude that I'm putting on? Is it obvious? Yeah, when I was starting out, I was totally putting on an affect. Ugh, I hate that.
Starting point is 00:20:36 It's so embarrassing. Well, because I, it is embarrassing. When you look back on those sets. Well, no, because I was, and everybody does, though. I mean, I even, like, Geraldo is one of my favorite comedians of all time and was a friend of mine and like he even said like he's like when i started out like my first tv sets i sounded like david tell i was on tv sounding
Starting point is 00:20:57 like somebody else before i figured out who i was and then he i mean i think girald is one of the great comics and but like for me it was just i sounded like i sounded like stephen wright when i started out yeah then i sounded like mitch headberg and then eventually i sounded like myself yeah it's hard to avoid man it's hard to avoid being like really influenced by the guys that you know came before you that were really good i caught myself sounding like rich jenny on stage once really just almost exactly it was like so such an obvious ripoff like i was in the middle of the set like i did i kept going with the bit and i finished my set like the audience didn't even know yeah but to myself i
Starting point is 00:21:34 was like ew you fraud yeah yeah i was like you fucking rich jenny clone what are you doing i was like like a year in or something like that. But I'll never forget how embarrassing it was. It was like if I was in the room and I saw me on stage, I'd be like, who? Who's this guy ripping off Rich Jenny? Because you know when guys will do that, you're not even ripping off material. You're just ripping off being that guy. People say that.
Starting point is 00:22:03 I had that with Stephen Wright, Mitch Hedberg, and then inadvertently Todd Berry. People were like, you sound like Todd Berry. And I was like, I'm not even watching. I mean, I like Todd Berry a lot. He's a great comic, but it wasn't like I was watching a ton of Todd Berry at that time. Well, I think you just have a similar tone to your voice, and it's only
Starting point is 00:22:20 mildly similar. But people are crazy. They'll find connections in fucking anything i i got off stage once in kentucky and some guy came up to me with a list of people it's like he said you know pat and oswald this i go what are you talking about he goes you sounded like these people oh god and i was like listen man i don't know what to tell you did you have a good time i don't know what to tell you you're looking at at me. What are you saying? Are you saying that I'm not me and that I'm all these people? That's rude.
Starting point is 00:22:49 What are you saying? I like that response. There was a bunch of them, too. Hey, did you have a good time? Yeah, that's all I could say to them. I'm like, listen, I hope you had a good time at the comedy show. Crazy. You're not going to sit here and you're going to analyze who my influences were.
Starting point is 00:23:00 Yeah. And you're angry at me for being influenced by great comedians. But I don't even think that's what it was i think it was like you know people will try to find a connection in anything oh yeah you know when i listened to my recording after the guy said that to me because i was like what the fuck is this guy he like it was there was a couple of obscure obscure ones in there too i don't remember who his references were but it was like like richard lewis was one of them yeah and i was like what do you what the fuck are you even saying? And then I went and listened to it, and I didn't hear any of it.
Starting point is 00:23:30 Somebody will, if they're looking, and then there's people that just are crazy, and their perceptions are just off, and they'll get a thought in their head, and they don't have the ability to discern whether or not it's an objective thought, whether or not it's a reasonable thought. They just got that thought, and they fucking run with it. And with you, they're like Todd Berry. Sounds like Todd Berry. Well, it's funny because the person I listened to the most was Woody Allen, but no one ever
Starting point is 00:23:54 accuses me of sounding like Woody Allen because I'm like a suburban white kid grown up and he's this short Jewish man from New York City. We just don't look like each other in any way, shape, or form, and I think people don't make that connection. So do you feel like you were influenced delivery-wise? Yeah. People don't realize what a great comic he was. He's incredible.
Starting point is 00:24:13 That one album, which is a compilation of, I think, three records, is Woody Allen's stand-up comedian, I think it's called. Yeah. And it's so good. What a weird guy, huh? I mean, married his daughter in front of the world. I mean, that is intensely weird. That is hard to defend.
Starting point is 00:24:32 That is intensely, intensely weird. And super hot also. Is she super hot? No, I said, and it's kind of super hot also. Oh, man. I don't see it. I can't get behind the super hot. Yeah, it's just crazy creepy, man. I don't see it. I can't get behind the superhero. It's just crazy creepy, man.
Starting point is 00:24:49 I mean, how did they ever even develop that kind of a relationship? That doesn't make any sense to me. It seems to me like that should never be able to happen. It shouldn't be on the table. Yeah. It's not one of the options. And I wonder what the blowback was for him, for Woody Allen, this great director. You mean his career?
Starting point is 00:25:10 Yeah. It was a big blowback. I mean, there are people, because I'm such a big fan of his, there are people who I talk to to this day who go, once that happened, I will not see his movies again. Yeah, I've heard that. There's a lot of people. I've heard that from, especially from women. From women particularly, yeah. Well, they, you know, it's almost like you can't trust him around your kids.
Starting point is 00:25:29 Like, that's the feeling that they get. It's like he's got these early sexual. But he's not going to show, he's not at the movie theater. He's not at the movie theater with you when you see the movies. So you don't have to be worried about your kids. Yeah, but there's people that just won't, that won't support you after. Like, what's the guy's name that escaped to France? Oh, yeah, Roman Polanski, one of my favorite directors.
Starting point is 00:25:50 And he was convicted of that horrible crime. Yeah, what did he do? But he wasn't convicted because he fled, right? It was a weird thing. He drugged a teenage girl and had sex with her, something like that. He drugged a teenage girl and had sex with her, something like that. But then there's this whole documentary about that case called, I think it's called Wanted. And it shows the shades of gray in that case. That case was really complex.
Starting point is 00:26:17 And there was a judge who was really high and mighty and kind of got carried away about his or her own ego and how the judge him or herself i forget what it was was making headlines by saying certain things in the court and then it became like a spectacular event where he might have gotten like a year in jail or something but then it got kind of blown out of proportion and it was going to be a big much bigger deal jesus yeah it's a really good movie actually i think it was on hbo i think it's called wanted wanted it's like roman polanski wanted or something yeah his case is really disturbing man and then this is after his wife had been murdered by the man oh i know so you gotta realize like this guy was a lot going on yeah i mean what he did was horrific for sure though
Starting point is 00:27:05 but his i mean what has what a fucked up state of mind he had to have been in yeah after his wife was murdered by the manson family while she was pregnant i i have to say like i some weird shit happens in california fuck yeah well yeah absolutely talk about that like i feel like the polanski stuff i'm just like when i watch it it feels so distant from my existence in new york i'm like yeah that's some california shit that i can't understand do you like living in new york i love it yeah live in the city my wife and i lived in the city for a while and then we just moved to brooklyn recently why'd you move to brooklyn get some space yeah you know just like we were sick of living in this little cramped area oh so you have a bigger
Starting point is 00:27:50 place yeah we have like yeah we have a few bedrooms and it's we're able to and also just walk around and have some trees around we lived on the upper west side in manhattan and it was like getting to a point where our favorite local restaurants were closing down. H&H Bagels closed down. Nico's, a Greek restaurant, closed down. A lot of places were closing down to the point where they closed down.
Starting point is 00:28:15 This is a bad sign of when times are bad. We thought it was sad when they closed down Barnes & Noble. We were like, oh, that's too bad. Our local bookstore got shut down. I felt like we got the Circuit City. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:30 We lost the Circuit City too. Yeah, we lost one of those guys. It's super common, man. I mean, think about in our lifetime. When has there ever been a period of time where more businesses closed down than today? I don't know. Not in my lifetime. I don't remember anything like this before.
Starting point is 00:28:44 But Brooklyn, on the other hand, is like really burgeoning like oh really small restaurants small bakeries small like ice cream shops like are able to open there because the real estate isn't that expensive to rent commercial real estate isn't as expensive so it's so you're getting like better food better like just baked goods ice cream grocery stores local grocery stores with local produce like it's it's bad i mean i don't want to sell it too hard but i i think it's better like we're happier there it seems like a little bit of a compromise a little bit better compromise like you're in sort of you're in not a suburban area but it's a little sub-city and it's slower a little to be honest with you. The people are a little
Starting point is 00:29:26 slower. You're kind of like, you're at the ice cream store and you're like, huh, come on, come on. What are we doing? What's going on? You're just walking over there. You get a little brisk step. Bring a little pep to it. Is it jazz music? People are so used to
Starting point is 00:29:41 fucking being so crazy in New York. Yeah, I know. That hive is so nuts. Yeah. It mimics insects. It's really crazy. When you get them all together in this big thing that they've created, and they're all swarming in this giant population center,
Starting point is 00:29:58 I mean, it's really not that much different than a beehive or an anthill. It's fucking crazy. So many people there. My wife and I went, and this was even more the case, my wife and I rented a house in western Massachusetts this summer for a month so that we could just write and relax
Starting point is 00:30:14 and get away from the business. Like out Amherst way? Yeah, yeah, exactly. North of Northampton. Beautiful out there. Gorgeous, but so slow. Yeah. Oh my God. Everything is like,
Starting point is 00:30:26 you go in somewhere, you order a cup of coffee. You're like, we're going to be here for a little bit. Like, you know, there's no lie. It's the country. It's really nice though. We, um, but it was funny cause my wife has been saying since we, we've been together probably about eight years ago, married four years ago and uh since we met she was like i think that i belong in the country i think that we should move to the country and i was always like i can't like i gotta work this is where i work in the city because there's comedy clubs and and this is where they my one-man shows are and uh we finally took a month after being together for eight years and went to the country.
Starting point is 00:31:11 And we brought our cat, Ivan, who had never been anywhere but our apartment. So he was shocked. And there were mice in the house. And this is a really strange phenomenon. They were parasitic mice. They had parasites in them, which means they're unafraid of people or cats. Oh, that means they have toxoplasma. Yeah, that's exactly what they have.
Starting point is 00:31:31 And so usually if you have a cat, you don't even see mice because they smell cats and they don't even come out. In this case, we had mice, they were like zombies. They were walking towards us. We were batting them away like a fucking video game yeah and that's sick and those are the dangerous ones those are the
Starting point is 00:31:50 ones that can infect you is that right oh yeah they have a massive impact on human behavior if they bite you is that if it gets into your skin either through uh cat fecal matter you get if the cat's infected you can get it from the cat you can get it from livestock that uh it comes in contact with this shit and so ivan ate one of the mice oh no so you got it we took him yeah and so we we instead of a month there we were there for two weeks drove home whoa after he ate the mouse and we took him to the vet and he got he took uh you know whatever medicine to make to knock that stuff out. I don't think they can stop that stuff.
Starting point is 00:32:28 It's a brain parasite. I thought it is what it is. I think whatever it was, it's checked out. I don't know. They gave him medicine. You got a zombie cat. I know we got a zombie cat, yeah. That's not good.
Starting point is 00:32:43 He's old, though. He's 16 years old. Time to go. He's in his golden years. Get him out of there before he infects the house sounds crazy but uh toxoplasma really is uh something that people have to have an issue with because it does have an effect on human behavior it makes people more aggressive it slows your reaction time down and um a lot of the world has it. Huge population. Really? Yeah. Yeah, in France, it's been as high in, I believe it was the 1950s or 1960s, it got as high as 80%. Wow.
Starting point is 00:33:12 80% of the country had it. And now it's down to the 50s. This is all estimations, of course. Yeah. I mean, you're not like really testing the entire population. They estimate that America, it's somewhere around 50 to 60 million people are infected by it. For anyone getting their news from Joe Rogan's podcast. Yeah, you're in trouble.
Starting point is 00:33:30 By the way, because I haven't backed up any. I've done no research. I'm just telling you what I read. Yeah. But the idea is that once you get it, you got it. That's it. Wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:41 It's a brain parasite. Jesus. It makes the mice sexually attracted to cat piss what a motherfucker yeah like what a crazy mean fucking disease twisted well we my wife was on sitting on the couch in the house and there was a mouse she looked next to her there was a mouse just sitting there staring at her and usually you see a mice mouse and it just runs away immediately and in this case it was just staring at her and she just ran away and then i had to chase the mouse out of the house fuck that there's something really creepy
Starting point is 00:34:17 about rodents man i know well have you ever heard the rat King concept? No. I just heard about this recently. There's apparently a book. I have a comedian friend named John Hodgman who's a very knowledgeable man, and he's written a lot of very funny and great books. And he's on The Daily Show. He's a correspondent on The Daily Show sometimes. He's on there. But anyway, he was telling me there's this book, and think it's called rats it's all about the culture of rats
Starting point is 00:34:48 and there's there's this phenomenon theoretically called the rat king which is that certain rats are in such an enclosed space that after a while their tails are intertwined so they're existing essentially as one large rat unit what i don't know if i can substantiate this but people should look up rat king that sounds like some comic book shit man look up rat king i need to look that up rat king that doesn't seem like it if it seems like something you would know about was he just joking he wasn't joking really no apparently there's this book called i think rats and uh and it it sheds a lot of light on yeah i'm incidentally looking at myself in this uh wow in this camera and just going oh man have i put on weight on the road it's so painful the road's brutal road is brutal
Starting point is 00:35:40 it's hard to what is this A rat king in the scientific museum. Oh, my God. So it is real, right? Oh, my God. Brian, pull this up on Wikipedia, because this is going to freak you the fuck out when you see this. We lost Brian. Oh, that son of a bitch.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Yeah. Yo, Brian! How dare he? The loudness with which you shouted is so inappropriate to what you're going to tell him yeah it's not ryan no no get over here you need to see this you need to wikipedia rat king you need to see this it's this is incredible man this is uh this really is a real phenomenon i thought your friend was just fucking with you no no no we have a serious conversation
Starting point is 00:36:25 about rats whoa that seems like horrific yeah if you go to it with folks if you go to the folks listening to this people probably tweet at you right now facts about the rat king i bet some of your listeners and viewers know about the rat king hey we need you to pull something up man we just uh something crazy it's called a rat king so mike berbiglia said this to me i did not i thought he was just fucking around i thought his friend was just fucking around but apparently there are clumps of rats that get connected together by the tail and they grow together while joined at the tails tail and they grow together while joined at the tails so there's like a group of like in this photo there's a group of it looks like 30 or 40 of them just on top of each other connected by the tails rat king just pull up rat king on wiki it's the the photo that connects to it what a can you imagine if you ran into that somewhere no no it's the it's the stuff
Starting point is 00:37:26 of nightmares it's what one would one should fear most rodents are fucking scary animals man yeah they're so gross yeah gross little fuckers oh you got it rat king? The image at the top? Look at that. Click on that. Oh, my God. Click on that. That's real. Is this live streaming, the video?
Starting point is 00:37:51 Yeah. Oh, my God. Look at that thing. This is insane. Yeah. I mean, it's insane. What the fuck? It's all these rats intertwined together.
Starting point is 00:38:03 I came here today to blow Joe Rogan's mind, and I have to... Oh, you blew it, man. You blew it wide open, because I thought we were having fun. I thought your friend was telling us some crazy... Once there was a Sasquatch, and he lived in the woods. He could read your mind. No, really, a rat king's a real thing. What's folklore mean, then?
Starting point is 00:38:24 Well, you know, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's not true. It means that it's probably been exaggerated and tossed down from superstitions. So it's a rat bigfoot. Yeah. Well, I mean, there was a bunch of shit, but it's obviously a real thing. It's a real phenomenon. This is in the scientific museum in Germany. I mean, it really does happen.
Starting point is 00:38:53 But I think it's probably, they probably just are tied up in knots. They're probably not like growing together through the tails. I don't think their tails become one unit. I think they're just gross and they just get tangled up so i read glass i read glasses i mentioned earlier you don't know his show this american life but he was saying the other day that sometimes he's struck with the when we're you know we live in new york you live here in la with the degree to which we are living like medieval lords.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Like we have our beck and call, any food, any type of food we want prepared any way we want within about 25 minutes. Yeah. It's so strange. Giant human construct. Yes. That doesn't resemble anything in nature. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Some nutty thing that they just, just goes up to the heavens. Yes. That doesn't resemble anything in nature. Yeah. Some nutty thing that they just, just goes up to the heavens. Yeah. Pops out of the ground. Everything else is missing. Yeah. Occasionally you'll see a tree, one tree,
Starting point is 00:39:56 you know, defiantly looking for its friends. That's why my, that's why I love the movie minority report when it came out. Yeah. Cause I was just like, you watch that movie now, you're like, yeah, about half of that stuff is true now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:08 Like, it was futuristic, but it was futuristic in a way that was like, you can just about see it coming. Like, you walk into the mall, and they go, hello, Joe Rogan. Would you like the Nike shoes that you bought last year? Would you like another fresh pair? That certainly is going to happen, right? For sure. Yeah, they're going to be able to turn it on on your phone. Well, and the internet already exists on Amazon.
Starting point is 00:40:29 You go on, and they say, well, you might like this. Yeah, I bought a T-shirt from Cafe Press, and I bought it through Amazon. I went through Amazon. Yeah. It goes, do you want to go through Amazon? I'm like, yeah, okay, let's see how that works. Quick, go through Amazon. Yeah, I love it.
Starting point is 00:40:42 It's amazing. We live in a weird world, man. Very strange. Go through Amazon. Yeah. I love it. It's amazing. We live in a weird world, man. Very strange. We're talking about one-click shopping on Amazon, that it's the easiest way to buy anything, and when you start doing it, it becomes so goddamn addictive because it feels ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:40:56 I know. It feels like you can get obscure billiard supplies. You can. Like weird shit. Like I need a Joe Porper tip-tapper, and you can find that on amazon hardest hardest to return though but i have so much shit that i just won't return because it's like yeah you gotta take the hit no but i saw i saw yeah i saw the movie day for night recently
Starting point is 00:41:16 a true foe film which is great have you ever seen that no day for night did you get it from amazon no but it's about making a film yeah no i actually, I actually did. I got it, I think, from Amazon. And then at the end of it, I was like, I'd like to have the poster of this. Click on it. It's on the way. Boom. So crazy. I get these obscure Mexican hot sauces, El Yucateca. I can't find them in any white people grocery store.
Starting point is 00:41:40 You have to go to the Mexican hood to get El Yucateca. Or you just go to amazon.com boom how do you resolve incidentally because i because you you're very knowledgeable about pizza how do you fit that into the diet because you have such a good diet just kind of make sure you don't eat it all the time the the most important thing is that your base like you you never want to deprive your body of nutrients but you can have cheat days totally yeah nothing wrong with that i think i think uh cheat meals cheat days just as long as you're being reasonable as long as like 80 of your food is really good food and healthy and every now and then you have a burger or something like that you could do that you eat away with it yeah oh yeah yeah yeah i've tried
Starting point is 00:42:21 vegetarian before i tried it uh when i was trying to lose weight when I was a kid, when I was fighting in different weight classes, and I didn't like it. I just felt shitty. I didn't feel like I was very vibrant. I haven't tried it again as an adult, but I know I crave meat. I crave it. After a good workout, I want a fucking steak. I feel like my body wants red meat.
Starting point is 00:42:46 a fucking steak yeah i don't feel like my body wants red meat yeah and people say let's you know that's uh unevolved and lustful killing and those cows are not gonna live forever if you just let them walk around and if people aren't killing cows something's gonna kill cows either cars because you're gonna hit them with your cars because they're gonna be everywhere or you're gonna have mountain lions running around taking cows out in front of you every day. That's a possibility, too. Yeah. I think it's the inhumane aspect of keeping them in crates slightly larger than their body that I think frustrates people. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:17 I haven't had veal in a long time. Yeah, yeah. The veal was the first one I tapped out on. I was just like, I can't do that. Yeah. That'sal was the first one I tapped out on. I was just like, I can't do that. Yeah. That's just too creepy. Taking a baby and not feeding it and tying it in a knot so it can't move. Nope.
Starting point is 00:43:32 Nope. No thanks. Yeah. Yeah, that's so fucked up. I'm just like, I got no time for that. Just so it's more tender. Really? What the fuck, man?
Starting point is 00:43:41 What's funny is I'm looking at your image. You're behind a computer, but I can see you here, and you can see me. What's funny is if your body and if you have a really good physique, if you ended up having my body, you might go into a deep depression. Like you would be really upset. And if I had your body, my comedy career would go away because all i do is just make fun of my own body and self but you can make fun of anything yeah you know if you can if you make fun of your own body if you're self-deprecating you can make fun of something else yeah so you
Starting point is 00:44:17 actually defy because you're you're great i was listening to your albums this week. You defy the Joe Piscopo rule, which is that if you get too fit, you're no longer funny. People are silly. There's no rules to comedy. We should know that by now. I think Piscopo was the line in the sand where people are like, oh, okay, that's how it works.
Starting point is 00:44:40 No, with Piscopo, the problem was he just, you know, he had a few good things that he did on saturn live a few good sketches but overall there wasn't that much there so he didn't put enough effort into it he didn't it's no different than any other comic like michael richards that you know goes from being an actor to being a comic and just can't really pull it off yeah there's not much difference it's a hard road and no one has to tell you that. To become a stand-up comic is a long, hard fucking road. And there's not a lot of us who stay on it.
Starting point is 00:45:11 If you stop and think about the guys that you hung out with when you were an open-miker. Totally different. Yeah, and look at the guys that you know now. How many of them made it? Me and Fitzsimmons started out together. Yeah, I can see that. Literally weeks apart from each other. Salmon's started out together.
Starting point is 00:45:22 Yeah, I can see that. Literally weeks apart from each other. So he's like one of the only guys from my group of open micers that made it over the salmon net. No one from my open mics is working. Yeah. Well, actually, I shouldn't say that. No one from my open mics I still run into anymore. Nick DiPaolo was always a really funny guy, and he was always in really good shape. He was a football player.
Starting point is 00:45:46 You're right. Nick is much more handsome than me. He had a fantastic head of hair. I discovered this. I went to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba on a USO tour with DiPaolo and Giraldo and Colin Quinn and a bunch of guys. And Giraldo was in great shape, too.
Starting point is 00:46:04 And so was DiPaaul because we because we went on the beach we went swimming yeah pulled over because we couldn't get through one of the gates we're like well let's just go swimming in that beach right there and we all went swimming there's photo we still have photos of it and i'm like oh fuck it's really embarrassing for me these guys are in really good shape yeah depaulo's always been in good shape he was uh when one of the guys when i was an open micer he was a bit more established than me he was ahead of me by at least maybe like two years yeah he was an established professional was louis around at that time yes yeah louis was also about two years ahead of me those guys when i first started doing open mics they were just
Starting point is 00:46:41 doing professional gigs and uh i got see DiPaolo once on stage and I'm like look at this handsome motherfucker this football player looking dude and he was hilarious and I and I that was a nice thing for me to see as a you know a young guy was involved in athletics myself was like okay so there is no rule yeah like anything can you know and then I but I remember when I my first saw Kinnison that's when I realized there is no rule. Yeah. Like anything can, you know, and then I, but I remember when I, my first saw Kinison, that's when I realized there was no rules. That's when I first realized like,
Starting point is 00:47:08 Oh, anything can be comedy. Yeah. And it's just whether or not it's funny. That's right. That's comedy too. This is a different thing he's doing. That's right.
Starting point is 00:47:15 Like when Kinison was going, I live in hell. Oh, Oh, look at this face. I was married. That, that fucking,
Starting point is 00:47:24 because, because when he, remember, remember when he, though he was one of my earliest influences. I was married that fucking because remember when he he was one of my earliest influences when he did that bit about getting married the devil doesn't even
Starting point is 00:47:34 try to scare you he's like oh you've been married this is going to be like fucking Club Med for you come on in this is where we torture the souls
Starting point is 00:47:41 blah blah blah yeah that's great you're married hell will be like Yeah. That's great. You're married. Hell will be like, Club Med! That's great. He was the first to me that really cemented in my head that anything could be comedy. Because I always loved comedy, but I was always way too loud and aggressive and stupid to
Starting point is 00:48:02 connect myself to someone like Jerry Seinfeld. I was like, I would have to be a totally different person to be that kind of – I could never do that. I don't think I could do that. But then I saw Kenneth and I was like, oh, there's no rules. You don't have to be Jerry Seinfeld. You just have to be whatever is funny from you, whatever comes out of you. This podcast must be great for you because when you tour now,
Starting point is 00:48:24 it's probably your audiences who get your sense of humor. Yeah. As opposed to like fear factor fans who are like, well, let's see him do the bugs in the mouth. Yeah. The fear, fear factor is hard for,
Starting point is 00:48:35 cause I heard that bit on your album where you're like, that's just a show I hosted. I'm not, that's not me. That wasn't my idea. But it's a lot of people though. It's such a big thing because it's on television that it has
Starting point is 00:48:48 to define you from there on. It has to be your thing. But I was like, why? It's my gig. That's what's crazy about the technology of these podcasts right now is that you can actually say, no, no, I'm this. I'm going to tell you what I am.
Starting point is 00:49:03 It's this. You get an opportunity to express yourself in a way deeper way than would ever be possible in a million tonight show appearances yeah you'd never be able to know that across that was always my goal starting out is because I would do these hell gigs I drove like I do in the movie it's like I drove I drove my mom's station wagon all over the country I bought incidentally it's like I drove my mom's station wagon all over the country. Incidentally, it's like I only find out at this age now. It's like people's parents gave them their car or like bought them a car. It's like I bought my mom's station wagon for $2,200.
Starting point is 00:49:36 It had 100,000 miles on it. Like she marked it up. My mom marked up her station wagon. I drove it around the country. And I would perform at these gigs. It would be like, you know, like every, just so people have a point of reference, like when I was starting out, like whenever you're in the middle of nowhere, you're in like, you know, Cherry Hill, Pennsylvania, Cherry Hill, New Jersey,
Starting point is 00:49:56 and you drive by like a Best Western, and it says Comedy Night Wednesday. That was my life. I was Comedy Night Wednesday. I did a lot of those, too, a lot of those Barry Katz gigs. Yeah, and so my goal when I was Comedy Night Wednesday. I did a lot of those, too. A lot of those Barry Katz gigs. Yeah, and so my goal when I was in that stage, because I wouldn't do well. You know, the audiences wouldn't like me. They came to see something different than what I was. I wasn't also that good.
Starting point is 00:50:17 So it was like the combination of what I would become was like a soft-spoken kind of storyteller. And then what they wanted was like fast jokes. Lenny Clark. Yeah, they wanted Lenny Clark. Yeah, who's a great comic, but he could kill it anywhere. And so what I was like, I want people eventually to come to see my shows on purpose. And that's why I started keeping a mailing list. And you also got very successful with your blogs i remember you were
Starting point is 00:50:46 the first guy we were somewhere i can't remember what city it was but you were in a big place you were in like this this big theater and i and i go damn i go mike or bigley is playing here i go how the fuck is he doing that and then i forget who i was with um it was either joey diaz or ari shafir one of those guys was like he's got this blog of those guys was like, he's got this blog. It's really, really popular. He's got this blog. And I was like, damn, man, that's a big impact. This was years ago.
Starting point is 00:51:13 It was before we ever even did the podcast. And I remember thinking, that's a lot of impact from connecting with people on the internet. Well, part of it was I wrote my blog. It was called My Secret Public Journal, and I still do it. internet well part of it was like i i wrote my blog it was called my secret public journal and i still do it and uh and then the bob and tom show out of you know out of indianapolis and they're syndicated was like just read your secret public journal on our show so i would call in every week and it was actually very similar like cable guy cable guy used to do stuff like that on radio do you know that cable guy used to do like he used to do call-ins every week yeah so
Starting point is 00:51:45 like all over the place yeah he like he would be doing like 20 25 phoners a week wow yeah holy shit about that he's a really hard worker okay i mean i don't know what he does now but but he back then i've met him a long time ago in Montreal when he was just starting out. Nobody knew about him. It was like the early 90s, and he was a nice fucking guy. Nice guy. Had a great time with him. I hung out with him one night, and we partied at the Comedy Works in Montreal.
Starting point is 00:52:16 Got hammered together. He was a great dude, man. Yeah, I like him. We had some fun. And he's got some great potato chips. He sent us. He listens to the podcast. Are you serious? So he sent over great potato chips he sent us he listens to the podcast are you serious sent over uh his potato chips that's ridiculous cheeseburger potato chips yeah you
Starting point is 00:52:31 can taste the pickles you can taste of course he has cheeseburger potato chips it's it is probably the worst thing on earth for you like i don't know how the fuck they're giving you all these different flavors but it's like a joke i mean like you eat it you eat a chip and you're like i taste the burger there's the ketchup like there's a pickle what the fuck it's so funny last night at my hotel because i hadn't eat i hadn't eat i'd eaten dinner at that in between stage like 6 p.m and then it's midnight you're gonna i gotta eat something so i went to the mini bar and i had pirate's booty and it's uh i had pirate's booty and the flavor was aged cheddar and i was like what the fuck is aged cheddar in this like
Starting point is 00:53:12 manufactured chip that's from some factory somewhere is that really aged cheddar yeah what chemical creates the taste of aged cheddar? It's like strawberry gum. It doesn't taste anything like strawberries. It's just what we agree to strawberry gum. Like grape gum. Grape gum doesn't taste like fucking grapes. The last thing that shit tastes like is grape. It tastes like grape gum.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Right. And it's not purple. Right. Like grape soda. It doesn't taste anything like grapes. We get it in our head that that's the grape flavor. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, does grape soda even have grapes't taste anything like grapes. We get it in our head that that's the grape flavor. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:45 I mean, does grape soda even have grapes in it? No. No. No, right? It's just some fucking sugar water. But we, you know, there's a fake grape taste that we accept. And it's like the gum taste, that grape gum taste. It's fake.
Starting point is 00:54:00 It's a fake grape. We just go, yeah, yeah, it's grape. That doesn't taste anything like grape. Like, what are you talking about? You know, that's like, it's grape. That doesn't taste anything like grape. Like, what are you talking about? You know, that's like if I gave you a cheeseburger, it tasted like feet. You know? Look what's on Amazon now.
Starting point is 00:54:13 Larry the Cable Guy. Cheeseburger potato chips. They're $20. Pack of three. Pack of three. Damn. Oh, my God. Cheeseburger potato chips. That's another guy, by the way.
Starting point is 00:54:23 Doesn't need the money, so he clearly believes in cheeseburger potato chips. Look, they were very tasty, but I was feeling like with each chip, I was rolling the crazy dice. I was like, what's in this shit? Who knows? This is going to grow breasts on you. You know what it's like? It's like Willy Wonka at a chocolate factory.
Starting point is 00:54:40 It really is. When they take the thing, it's like, what does it taste like? Oh, it tastes like whatever the thing was. That's exactly's exactly what it's like dude i didn't even think of that i forgot about that that's exactly what it's like yeah dude i'm telling you was it do you remember do you guys remember i forget what it was it's like does it taste like this and he's like yeah it does i don't remember but i do remember it was like a piece of gum that basically tasted like an food experience right well they're getting they Right. Well, they're closing in on that. They're closing in on that.
Starting point is 00:55:07 It's like ghostly. It's ghostly. It is ghostly. It's not distinct. It's not like habanero pepper distinct flavor. It's ghostly. Like, oh, there's the mustard in that fucking thing. But it's really good.
Starting point is 00:55:21 It is. It's really good. But you're rolling the health dice. You know what would be good with those potato chips? Like some kind of cheese, meaty cheese dip. Oh, Jesus Christ, son. You're getting my dick hard. The queso, meaty queso.
Starting point is 00:55:36 Yeah. When you talk to Europeans, though, they say that what's killing us is the preservatives. Oh, yeah. Because Europeans are not very overweight overweight and they eat cheese and wine and all this well they also have unpasteurized cheese they have a lot of unpasteurized cheese in europe you can't even get it over here it's like i had a friend from france and he used to have to smuggle it in really smuggling unpasteurized cheese from france yeah it's so crazy and by the way there's a reason why your body has a lactose intolerance it's because you're drinking milk
Starting point is 00:56:05 that's been boiled down and it's dead there's no enzymes in it there's no like all this stuff that makes your body naturally digest it it doesn't exist yeah you know so the idea is that like we have to protect people from bad milk yeah but you know what's a better idea fresh milk yeah we've got to figure out how to not have milk sitting in a supermarket for three months. That's what we – We've got to have people closer to their animals. We had the – growing up, we had the – I don't know if you remember this in Massachusetts. It's the Lundgren and Jonaitis, like, milk store.
Starting point is 00:56:37 And it was milk in glass bottles, and they would deliver it to your house. Oh, with the foil tops. Yeah, exactly. They'd peel them off. It was great. Amazing milk. Oh. And it used to – I don't think that place exists anymore. glass bottles and they would deliver it to your house foil tops yeah exactly peel them off yeah amazing milk and it used i don't think that place exists anymore yeah i don't know if that was pasteurized or homogenized but uh they they used to have it at whole foods but now you got to go to there's like a little specialty market oh are they california do they have it in whole foods
Starting point is 00:56:57 not at all no not anymore whole foods is like they're they're so big that they uh there's certain shit they don't take a risk with. Like there's a kombucha that is more than one half of one percent alcohol. And because of that, they won't carry it. But it's just, it's nothing. It's not like a level that can get you drunk. But it is, you know, it ferments. And it's really fucking good for you.
Starting point is 00:57:21 And the one that ferments the most is really the best for you. And they don't carry it because it gets a little risky with the alcohol. Right, very risky. So that's why they don't have that. They don't have raw milk there anymore. It's like it's too risky. But I don't know if that's a corporate decision or what. But it's unfortunate because raw milk, man, doesn't give you any weird stomach shit.
Starting point is 00:57:42 It tastes way better. Once you get used to the fact what you're drinking, it's rich and creamy. It's really fucking good. I was flying to California recently, and I was on a plane. I had one of those mornings where you show up at the airport, and you're so hungry that you just grab anything. I was at Chibo or whatever that place is called at JFK. You're just like, I'll have any just in case. You know, I need something.
Starting point is 00:58:07 I'll have a banana, I'll have a sandwich. Right, right, right. I'll have anything. You have this bag of stuff. And I get on the plane, and I'm just scarfing down this chicken salad sandwich. And the flight attendant comes over to me, and he goes, excuse me. He goes, are there nuts in that sandwich? I'm like scarfing down the sandwich, and I look down, and I'm like, I think so. I think there's walnuts in that sandwich? I'm like scarfing down the sandwich. And I look down and I'm like, I think so.
Starting point is 00:58:26 I think there's walnuts in the sandwich. And I know that this is going to go badly. And so as I'm talking, I'm still eating the sandwich. I'm like, oh, I think so. And he's like, the woman who's two seats down from you, she has a nut allergy. So you have to put that away. And I was just like, I won't i won't like make her eat them you know
Starting point is 00:58:48 like i won't you know rub them on her body i'm just gonna eat it right here and he was like it's actually um even if the nuts are in the air oh okay and i looked over at the woman and i go excuse me i go i go will you have a real allergic reaction if there are nuts in the air and she goes yeah I have an allergy and it's I'll have a I'll have a an episode if there's nuts in the air and uh and I was just thinking like I didn't say this but I was like you shouldn't leave the house right you, right? You should have a bubble around you. There's a lot of air. Is that even real, though? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:59:27 So you can't go in the grocery store? So this is what happened. I go, I was in that stage where I was about to have eating blue balls, where you're halfway through a sandwich, and you're like, if I don't finish this sandwich, I'm going to flip out. So I said to the guy, I was was like is there anywhere i can eat this sandwich and he said i'm not making this up he goes you can eat it in the bathroom wow and so i and i so i went to the bathroom and i finished my sandwich jesus christ yeah but the nut allergy
Starting point is 01:00:00 thing is strange it's like i really don't want people to die because they have a nut allergy, but I'm also kind of like, well, then I guess. Oh, this is real. Yeah, the nut allergy thing? Yeah, this is real. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, they should have breathing things that they have to wear if they're going in public. It shouldn't go on 150 passengers in the's for the person with the nut allergy why
Starting point is 01:00:26 can't she just have one of those little asian masks you know like the little white mass yeah for stars it can be wow this is really interesting man that's doesn't seem right and then i asked her i go this, do you fly a lot? I mean, is this something you do? I mean, and she said, she said, yeah. And when I'm on Southwest, I call in advance. When I call in advance, they take all the nuts off the plane. Oh, my God. She said, there are no nuts on the plane when I fly. And I was just like, who is this girl?
Starting point is 01:01:02 That's insane. What kind of power does she wield? Yeah, that's not right. It is possible. Here's the thing. They're saying all those small amounts of peanut protein can set off a severe reaction. It is rare that people get an allergic reaction from just breathing in small particles of nuts or peanuts. That does mean it's possible.
Starting point is 01:01:18 They said it's rare. Yeah. It says most foods with peanuts in them do not allow enough of the protein to escape into the air, causing a reaction. And just because the smell of foods containing peanuts won't produce a reaction because the scent does not contain the protein. So what she was just freaking out at the possibility, but most likely since it was like a food. Yeah. It wasn't just it's a dust from the crunching of the peanuts. Apparently.
Starting point is 01:01:45 Oh, that's enough. from the crunching of the peanuts, apparently. Oh. That's enough, apparently, to freak some people out. It's rare, but that's enough for some people. Which is crazy. Yeah, she should not, she should drive. What a weird thing, though, man, to be allergic to a food so badly. Yeah. Like a peanut.
Starting point is 01:01:58 That would suck. And not knowing. Peanuts can kill people, man. They're fucking poison. And we're like, mm, peanut M&Ms. Mm, fucking chomp, chomp, chomp. Imagine how weird it would be growing up where everybody's eating poison everywhere around you. That's nuts.
Starting point is 01:02:10 Everybody's eating some shit that if you go to the supermarket, there's tubs of poison. You go and get some peanut butter. That shit will kill you. I've always felt that way about cell phones, though. Oh, really? From moment one when cell phones started to be ubiquitous, I was like, this is going to be the cigarettes of our time. Well, that's ridiculous. That's not nearly as bad as peanuts to people allergic to peanuts.
Starting point is 01:02:31 People that are allergic to peanuts, it fucking kills you dead, and it's everywhere in tubs of it, and people are eating it in front of you. It's like a common food for kids to take to school, peanut butter and jelly. Imagine if poison... But if you think about having this to your head all the time if you get cancer from your cell phone you're a pussy that's what i say i'm gonna uh send some
Starting point is 01:02:49 brain cancer patients your way it might be weird if like in like 30 years it might be weird though in like 30 years if like the whole entire world has cancer of the brain right yeah we all die at the same time everybody's right thumb rots off. Right. Your texting thumb. Yeah. I don't think that it's that much of a concern. There's a lot of radiation we just get from the sun. There's a lot of radiation we get from just the environment. Every time you
Starting point is 01:03:15 fly in a plane, you get massive amounts of radiation. Is that right? Yeah, every time you fly in a plane, it's supposed to be worse than going through those x-ray machines. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, you're up in the fucking high altitude. You're flying at 35,000 feet. My wife won't do the new than going through those x-ray machines oh jesus yeah you're up in the fucking high altitude you're flying at 35 000 feet yeah my wife won't do the new one the new x-ray oh really she gets opted out she opts out she just is freaked out by it it's a lot of radiation she's right yeah yeah i don't think they've adequately researched the long-term effects of putting fucking weird particles through people's
Starting point is 01:03:45 bodies and it might work on you know there's a thing about any sort of exposure to things that you might be fine i might be fine but one person just like the person that's allergic to peanuts people's bodies are weird man one person could have a totally different reaction to that radiation and really get sick because of it everybody Everybody's built so different, man. You know, there's just, we have similar but varied bodies. And we have to take that into consideration when you, you know, find out what's bad for people. Some people can't even have one drink. Does that mean we should take drinks away?
Starting point is 01:04:18 That's ridiculous. Because for most of us, drinks are great. Some people cannot have that one drink. So imagine living in a world, and I have friends friends that have done this where they look at everybody drinking like you're just this is everything you're doing if i did i would be dead in an alley in a week i'd just fucking go on a massive bender until uh i ran out of heartbeats you know i mean that's it's around us everywhere yeah we vary too much we need to collectively's, we got a big spectrum. Yeah. Fucking,
Starting point is 01:04:47 physical, psychological, everything. Do you ever think about running for office? Fuck that. Running for office is like, it'd be like
Starting point is 01:04:58 becoming a pro wrestler. Yeah. That's what it would be like. This is the only way you could equate the two. Because you're following like a script in a certain way. You're following a script and you're entering into some artificial sort of a situation. Like this isn't real.
Starting point is 01:05:13 Like Paul Ryan, we don't know Paul Ryan. Yeah. We don't know Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney doesn't even know Mitt Romney. I was very uninspired by the speeches last night. It's bizarre. It feels like I'm in a movie. I watched those speeches and I was actually really open-minded to like,
Starting point is 01:05:27 hey, what do you guys got? And then I came away just being like, oh, okay, nothing. It was all rhetoric. It was all get back the country. If you have a small business, you did build it. It was all just bad, clunky, shitty speeches. They played a reagan speech from when reagan was running against jimmy carter and i was like god damn reagan in the campaign
Starting point is 01:05:52 trail could fucking throw it down oh yeah he was an actor he was yeah being an actor and you know even though he was getting on in his days when he was running for president the effects of the presidency hadn't quite broken him down like it did during his term. But he stomped Carter in this two-minute speech about what's the difference between a recession and a depression. A recession is when a neighbor's out of a job. A depression is when you're out of a job. And the crowd was cheering. And he's like, and to get rid of this depression, we need to put Jimmy Carter out of a job.
Starting point is 01:06:29 And of course, they went fucking apeshit. I was like, whoa. Imagine having that guy breathing down your heels. Ronald Reagan, handsome-ass actor, talking a lot of sense. Wait till Clooney runs for office in like 10 years. He's got no kids. He's got no kids. People are never going to listen to a man who doesn't have children. They are never going to listen to a man who doesn't have children.
Starting point is 01:06:47 They're not going to listen to a man who doesn't have children. Trust me. The people who have children will never listen to a man who doesn't have children because they know that there's a physiological change that happens in a person's body, in your brain, in your consciousness, in your understanding of relationships when you have your own children. And he doesn't have his own children. But when he runs for president, he's going to have two two-year-olds, twins, daughters. Maybe.
Starting point is 01:07:06 We want to see your kids get to be about 15 before you start running shit. What about Matt Damon? He has kids. Matt Damon could run for office. But the real problem is that the whole system is completely fucked sideways by corruption. There's no way you can run for office. To do what?
Starting point is 01:07:20 To be the bidding? You're going to be at the bidding of these giant corporations, or you're going to have bullets in your brain. Well, you know what the game is. It's true. This thing's been bought and sold. And if it wasn't proved to us by Obama, I mean, come on, a guy whose parent is a single mom,
Starting point is 01:07:36 he's raised in an interracial relationship, grows up poor, lives in Hawaii for a while. I mean, you were talking about a guy who's a total outsider, right? And look what happens when he gets in. He passes things like the National Defense Authorization Act that just blindly allows them to arrest people and they have no recourse, allows them to use the military to block civil unrest and to stop civil unrest in this country,
Starting point is 01:08:03 all shit that's supposed to be prevented in the Constitution and he's just allowing this stuff to go through why is he allowing this stuff to go through is that what the the child of a single parent would really want not the fuck it is yeah he doesn't have a say he's at the bidding they're all at the bidding of money and what is the best way to make money the best way to make money is to let these motherfuckers loose let them do what they want to do in other countries. Let's just make this happen. Give them reasons why we've got to make this happen. And that money just keeps fucking flying in.
Starting point is 01:08:30 These guys are in a vampire orgy of blood money, just dancing around and drinking in it, and they don't want it to stop. And so Obama, who says that he's going to stop wars, all of a sudden he wins the Nobel Peace Prize and he has to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan. What is that what do you really think that's what he wants to do do you really think that's what his big change is his big change is that come on man it's all crazy no one this it says this is a broken system you're watching these these candidates you know like this is this is the last death throes of a dying situation, a dying configuration, the configuration of Democrat versus Republican.
Starting point is 01:09:11 And what we're going to do is give America back to the small businesses, to the families. It's like you're making those Close Encounters noises. You're not even saying anything. You're just making the noises that the people want to hear. You're making the conservative noise. It's sort of underlyingly racist. Let's get it back away from this black guy. He's kind of fucked everything up.
Starting point is 01:09:40 Look how white my wife is. There's a little of that going on. It's nonsense. And meanwhile, the same companies will be controlling things, no matter who's in control. We get wrapped up in shit like gay marriage and immigration and all this different stuff that nobody really gives a fuck about at the top of the heap.
Starting point is 01:09:56 And they just keep sucking money out of the system the whole time. We're dancing around worrying about whether dudes should be able to write things down and say, I'm a this now and you're a that now. And then it becomes illegal. We're dicking around about that. The same people are running shit that have always been running shit. It's hilarious, really.
Starting point is 01:10:15 When it becomes more and more transparent, you realize what an incredible job they've done of just keeping everybody in the dark and just running things from the background. of just keeping everybody in the dark and just running things from the background. Yeah. As far as like running the world, really, the fucking banks have done a fantastic job. I mean, in despite of all the competition, all the access to information people have today, the fact they still run it the way they run it,
Starting point is 01:10:39 it's like amazing. They've done a great job. They're bad motherfuckers. Yeah. It's just depressing. It is depressing. It's, you know, who would want, you know,
Starting point is 01:10:48 what person of our age group would want war at this stage of life? What person would think that that's the best option? In any culture. But they were even saying it last night. Like McCain in his speech was saying
Starting point is 01:10:59 we should raise defense spending. Raise defense spending? They're so crazy. Isn't that what you guys are trying to say? We shouldn't spend so much money? I was very confused by what they were saying, what their message was. The word defense is a funny word because it's not defense when you're in another country. Yeah, it's all offense.
Starting point is 01:11:19 So when you say raise defense spending, I'm down for strengthening anything in America. defense spending i'm down for strengthening anything in america but i think i'm i don't see any reason to send someone's kids to some other fucking country to shoot some people they never met because some assholes say that that's the thing that needs to be done that don't make any sense to me yeah it's not that you know you don't support the troops and it's not that you don't think that it's good to have a strong army because I absolutely do and do but oh this is just as fucking cake craziness yeah this is chaos and no one wants to admit it is so you're just you're dealing with these two guys that are essentially gonna it's gonna vary very little maybe there's gonna be like some social debate going on in here maybe you know gay people have a harder time it'll
Starting point is 01:12:01 be harder to get medical pot I mean maybe but other than that what the fuck is gonna change not that much what the fuck is going to change? Not that much. Not that much is going to change. 246. All right. So we're good. You got to get out of here soon?
Starting point is 01:12:15 I think at three, I got to go over and be on Conan. I think at three. You think at three? What time do you actually go on stage there? I don't know. Well, I heard they're gonna wait for you I'm in a haze of kind of interviews and stuff like that these days and coming here is just kind of like taking time off I don't have to like we don't there's no hard interview questions it's just kind of hanging out it's hard when you're
Starting point is 01:12:44 dealing with like you have to try to be entertaining all the time. And you have to, like, try to find a way to be. Yeah, we answer the same questions over and over and over again. Yeah. I invited you to that WGA screening the other night. Yeah. And it was crazy because Tim Robbins was there and Tom Hanks was there. Oh, that's awesome.
Starting point is 01:13:02 It was really crazy. That is crazy. They were saying, Tim Robbins was saying to me that he was like, what you're experiencing right now, this kind of haze of like press junk and all this stuff, it's basically what they would do if they literally wanted to make you insane. They'd stick you in a room and ask you the same question over and over again all day until you crack and that's what you're doing that's your life right now and yeah that's like if you were like
Starting point is 01:13:30 a guilty person they would bring in a series of investigators that would ask you the exact same questions yeah and see if you have the same answer yeah that's actually a great idea if you could have like a hundred investigators and they give you the same questions and you have to give detailed stories yeah you would fuck that thing up yeah so it's been like a hay is wow um what did you movie called sleepwalk with me sleepwalk with me i sent you the screen you did send did you get it i didn't get it yet here you want to watch the trailer let's watch the trailer because i haven't seen the trailer yet here we go it's true i always have to tell people that because inevitably someone will come up to me and they'll be like, is that true?
Starting point is 01:14:07 And I'll be like, yeah. And they'll be like, was it? I don't know how to respond to that. Like, I guess I could say it louder, you know, like, yeah. And they'd be like, it's probably true. Say it louder. And now the big comedian, Matt Pandapiglio. Hey, y'all ready to lip sync? I can't hear you. I love a big comedian, Matt Pandipiglio. Hey, y'all ready to lip sync? I can't hear you. That's my lip sync joke. So here's what happened.
Starting point is 01:14:34 My girlfriend, Abby, and I moved in together. She's great. And my sister, Janet, got engaged. You're next. Coming your way, baby, better up. Everyone started talking about marriage. How long have you and Abby been together? Eight years.
Starting point is 01:14:47 I don't remember being so long. That's ridiculous. And that night, I started walking in my sleep. There's a jackal in the room. Come back to bed. How long has the sleepwalking been going on? I don't think it's that serious. As things with my girlfriend got more tense,
Starting point is 01:15:03 my sleepwalking got more dangerous. You did it, Matt, in the first place. Thank you! This was the first time I remember thinking maybe I should see a doctor. And then I thought, maybe I'll eat dinner. What with dinner? I went with dinner. I've decided I'm not going to get married until I'm sure that nothing else good can happen in my life.
Starting point is 01:15:32 You say that on stage. One day I asked my girlfriend, what do you fear most? And she said, I fear you'll meet someone else and you'll leave me and I'll be all alone. And she said, what do you fear most? And I said, bears. Has your girlfriend heard the jokes? No. You should probably mention it.
Starting point is 01:15:49 You say you're going to go see the doctor, you don't. You say you want to be a comedian, you're a bartender. I mean, pick a damn plan and stick with it. He's kidding, but he's not as funny as you. My parents have been together 40 years, which is, yeah, no, but it's too long. If you're ever in a relationship that's moving towards marriage and you're not ready, don't go to my sister Janet's wedding.
Starting point is 01:16:18 Nice shirt, loser. Sorry. No, I like it. It's nice. That looks funny. That's great, man. That's great, man. That looks great. Yeah, it was a couple of really good lines. And you gave Marc Maron a part.
Starting point is 01:16:30 So that's a big, like, altruistic move. He and I had a, I don't know, first time I went on this podcast, we really threw down. He really hated me. Really? He hated me for a long time. Dude, he hated me for a long time, too. Did he really? Yeah, he's crazy. Hates everybody. I think he hates himself. But then we... He tries to be a long time. Dude, he hated me for a long time, too. Did he really? Yeah, he's crazy.
Starting point is 01:16:45 Hates everybody. I think he hates himself. But then we... He tries to be a nice guy, though. No, no. He's been really nice to me in the last year or so. Well, that's a nice tactic that people do. Yeah, they create conflict, and then somehow the conflict gets resolved, and then there's
Starting point is 01:16:59 like this emotional connection because you have something at stake. I think he's a little bit addicted to conflict. A little bit. What did he not like about you? you oh we didn't know each other he just had this distorted perception of me just i don't know yeah and he has this issue with people selling out they have this issue with right me doing fear fact i'm like shut your fucking punk rock nonsense up selling out please no but he's great in the movie. And yeah, Lauren Ambrose and Carole Kane. It's a good bunch of people.
Starting point is 01:17:28 Mark's a good guy. He's just crazy. Yeah. But that's why he's good at what he does. He's good at what he does, yeah. He's very good at interviewing people. Yes. He's not, you know, some people just can't quite get the spark going.
Starting point is 01:17:45 Awkward interviews, like when someone's asking half-hearted questions or doesn't have the passion for it, it's very uncomfortable to listen to. Yes, that's most interviews. Yeah, isn't it? Yeah. That's why those press junkets have to be maddening for you. Yeah. Especially for a stand-up.
Starting point is 01:18:01 You're so calm, always aware of people's attention spans. Well, you and I were talking the other day about they want me to do all these like morning local morning tv shows and uh and it's hard because they don't when you say on those local morning tv shows when you say a joke they'll say i don't know what you mean and that's the worst that's the opposite of laughter the moment you have to start explaining a joke you're done yeah i was saying that if you're if you're on one of those shows any comedian should do this if you're on one of those shows what you should do is just immediately break into a tracy morgan impression someone's getting pregnant around here you start rubbing your belly because that's like the funniest thing that's ever happened on one of those morning shows is Tracy Morgan rubbing his belly.
Starting point is 01:18:48 This is my main call. You see, this is my main call. Someone getting pregnant. And when he did that, this poor fool on this silly show was just flabbergasted. Hey, Tracy. He didn't know what to say. He was like stuck with a wild man on a show. Yeah. He didn't know what to say. I was just like stuck with a wild man on a show. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:07 Someone getting pregnant. He would slap his belly. Go, this is my mating call. So did you write a book first? Is that how this movie came out? It was a one-man show. It was a one-man show. It was off-Broadway in New York.
Starting point is 01:19:19 Sleepwalk With Me, the one-man show. And then I adapted it into a film. And then along the way I actually did I wrote a book that was Sleepwalk With Me it was a chapter in the book Sleepwalk With Me and other painfully true stories
Starting point is 01:19:31 it was just comedic essays about sort of painful so the sleepwalking part is true? yeah I jumped through a second story window in my sleep oh my god yeah
Starting point is 01:19:40 holy shit dude yeah so you wake up when? when you hit the ground? I woke up as I was running on the front lawn in my underwear bleeding. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:51 Second story window. That's like some... At La Quinta Inn in Walla Walla, Washington. Holy shit. So you were on the road? I was on the road, yeah. Oh, my God. Dude, how crazy are you on a one to ten?
Starting point is 01:20:03 What's going on here? What's going on is I was diagnosed with what's called REM behavior disorder. But on a scale of 1 to 10, 8. Wow. Every comic's crazy. Why are we all so crazy? I don't know. Damn.
Starting point is 01:20:19 There's something up with comedians. So do you have, like, a tool now that you travel with, like a belt that's, like like hooked up to like a, no joke. I sleep in every night in a sleeping bag up to my neck. And for a while I would wear mittens. So I couldn't wear open the sleeping bag and I take medication. I take,
Starting point is 01:20:36 I take an anti-anxiety that the doctor prescribed. Wow. Yeah. That's so strange. Do you, is there a trigger? Is there something that anxiety, stress, sleep deprivation, like all the stuff that's really not good sleep hygiene. Wow.
Starting point is 01:20:51 And it makes you just completely not know what you're doing. It makes me act out my dreams. And usually my dreams have to do with me running away from some kind of like demon or wild animal. Wow. What the fuck, man? Yeah. Holy shit shit that's got to be crazy i know i told a story about um i've told this on stage before about being in san francisco during a fire and uh there was uh it was 4 30 in the morning we all got evacuated from the hotel room and a lot of people sleep with ambien and when they're when they're woken up like that,
Starting point is 01:21:26 they don't know what the fuck is going on. Yes. And you could see it in their face, and they would wake up in the middle of walking down the stairs. So this guy was in front of us, and he was in the middle, and there's a fucking whole line of people trying to get out of this hotel, right? Hundreds of people on the stairs.
Starting point is 01:21:39 And it's a really narrow staircase. One person could sit at the top. I know those staircases well. Well, people were waking up. Where are we doing? What are we doing? What's going on? Like waking up in the middle of walking down the stairs.
Starting point is 01:21:50 And the wife was like yelling at the guy, just keep walking. The hotel's a hotel. What hotel? Where are we? We're in San Francisco. The hotel's on fire. We're on fire. Like literally didn't know what the fuck was going on.
Starting point is 01:22:03 Just whacked out on ambien kevin james made a turkey when he was on ambien really yeah he made a turkey no kidding made a fucking turkey didn't know about it got up in the morning was like what the fuck is all this like didn't know that he went and he cooked some food that is crazy it happens to people all the time my sister growing up when she she was like 11 or 12, my mom found her walking down the street of our neighborhood naked. Oh, my God. And I'm like thinking, oh, what are the odds that maybe just some guy drove by
Starting point is 01:22:33 and was like, what? A naked 11-year-old walking on the street? My lucky day. There was a guy who was convicted of he murdered someone close to him, like his parents or his mother-in-law or something like that, drove to their house in his sleep. Do you know this case?
Starting point is 01:22:51 There's cases where it's been used as an alibi. But this guy got off. Yeah, no, people have gotten off. He killed her with like a crowbar. So I'm going to start sleepwalking. Brian. You can't talk about it first on a podcast, dude. Yeah, that's a paper trail right there. Jeez, fuck them. Oh, Ryan. You can't talk about it first on a podcast, dude.
Starting point is 01:23:07 That's a paper trail right there. Jeez, fuck them. Yeah, how could you get away with that in a court of law? Since you have it, what would they say? If I killed somebody? No, anything you do. Obviously, when you walked out that window, there's no question that you were dreaming. Yeah, I had a dream that there was a guided missile headed towards my hotel room.
Starting point is 01:23:32 And that there were all these military personnel in the room with me. Oh, my God. And they said, the military personnel said to me, the missile coordinates are set specifically on you. So I jumped out my window so as to detonate outside the window for the sake of the platoon. Wow. That's insane. Yeah. Yeah, this guy beat his mother-in-law to death and choked his father-in-law into unconsciousness.
Starting point is 01:23:56 Jesus Christ. Yeah. When was the last episode that you had that was even just a slight problem? Well, you know what's crazy is that making a film is actually not the healthiest thing for sleep sleep disorder so like oh i would imagine i was having anxiety and sleep deprived and i was sleep deprived and i was directing i was directing myself acting out things that i'd done in my life so i was i had an episode where i was sleepwalking my wife came in and i was adjusting lamps in the bedroom.
Starting point is 01:24:25 She's like, what are you doing? And I was like, we're shooting. And she was like, no, we're not shooting. And I go, I'm sorry, but we are. Like I was actually patronizing her, which is the worst thing you can do when you're sleepwalking is just insult people for not understanding your reality. Like, oh, you're so stupid.
Starting point is 01:24:42 You don't get it. You just don't get it. Oh, oh my god that's got to be so weird has anybody ever videotaped you doing it no no but i have that would have been the great wacky credits for your movie i have this great yeah well no no in the credits of the movie are the actual photographs of the window i jumped through and me at the hospital. I took photos of all of it because when it happened, I knew no one's going to believe this. This is too crazy.
Starting point is 01:25:11 And so that's the credits of the movie. You smashed the window and everything? You did it like James Bond style? I jumped through the window like the Hulk. Oh my God. And I say that because that's how I described it at the emergency room. I was like, you know the Hulk?
Starting point is 01:25:21 He just kind of jumps through windows and walls. That's like me. Holy shit, dude. Yeah. I've like, you know the Hulk? He just jumps through windows and walls. That's like me. Holy shit, dude. I've never videoed myself, but I have this great new video technology called My Wife, who remembers everything I see, whatever I do
Starting point is 01:25:35 or say. So she's kind of explained to me what it looks like. She's your dictator. She dictates. It's kind of a hacky men-woman thing, but my wife remembers everything. Everything. That's funny. Your ride's here, by the way.
Starting point is 01:25:52 Oh, is it? Yeah. Is it? Well, dude, thank you very much. This is a story that we were talking about, if anybody's interested in looking up. There was a guy from Toronto, and he lost his job due to embezzlement and he suffered from a gambling addiction. So the guy was in some serious, serious debt. So because of that, he had a high level of stress
Starting point is 01:26:12 and sleep-induced insomnia. And he got up in his car, rose from his bed. He drove 14 miles to the home of his wife's parents. That's unreal. Yeah, he removed a tire iron from the car, entered the house, and he beat the mother-in-law to death, choked the father-in-law unconsciousness, and then he used a knife from the kitchen to stab them. I don't buy that, though.
Starting point is 01:26:32 Yeah. I don't buy that as an alibi. He seems like a cunt anyway. Yeah. And then he turned himself into a police station. I don't buy that. Because, I mean, I have this disorder disorder and i could not imagine doing anything that like basically the reason i wear a sleeping bag is that if you undo the sleeping bag the moment
Starting point is 01:26:50 you start doing something that requires dexterity and focus and concentration that's what wakes you up yeah i would imagine like driving a car is a very specific dude they should have called you in the car where am i in that story yeah because i i think uh i'm pretty sure this guy got off yeah i don't yeah i think he got acquitted man and then the jury acquitted parks of murder and later later of attempted murder although the government appealed the 1992 supreme court of canada see it's canada though that's the problem they're too nice up there would be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Oh, you're sleepwalking when you beat someone to death with a tire iron? Yeah, nothing wakes you up like metal to bone.
Starting point is 01:27:32 Crack over and over again in your hands, vibrating in your hands. Your mother-in-law's skull. Really? And that doesn't wake you up? Get the fuck out of here, you crazy asshole. Right, Mike Perpiglio? Dude, your movie looks fucking awesome. Thanks.
Starting point is 01:27:46 It really looks cool, really funny. It's in, if people want to find it, it's in 30 cities in theaters this weekend. And will it be available on Netflix and iTunes and all that stuff soon? Soon it will be available in all these places, but right now it's booked. If you go on sleepwalkmovie.com,
Starting point is 01:28:01 you can see in the next month it's going to open in 170 movie theaters around the country. Listen, if you ever want to come back it's going to open in 170 movie theaters around the country. Listen, if you ever want to come back in, we'd love to have you. Anytime you want. Whenever you're in town,
Starting point is 01:28:09 just anytime. Just let me know. And if you need help promoting anything, let me know as well and we'll hook it up. Thanks a lot. So thank you very much
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Starting point is 01:28:25 Sorry, you dirty bitches. And we will see you guys Friday. We're probably going to do an Ice House Chronicles here because it's going to be Joey Diaz, Ari Shafir, me, and Doug Stanhope as well. Oh, nice. At the Ice House. What? Doug's coming? Yeah, Doug's going to come.
Starting point is 01:28:40 Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. Oh, fuck yeah. Doug's going to be here Friday. And, of course, Doug and I are also still doing the End of the World show, December 21, 2012, at the Wiltern Theater in L.A. Oh, that's awesome. With Joey Diaz and Honey Honey, the band. Tell Doug I said hi.
Starting point is 01:28:55 I will. I will, for sure. He's the best. Yeah, I love him. Please buy a T-shirt. Yeah, we're doing something for Tosh.0 on Friday. So after that, he's going to come down and do the shows at the Ice House. So that's Friday and Saturday.
Starting point is 01:29:08 Next week, I'm in Santa Barbara at the Lobero Theater. I don't even know what that's like. But Santa Barbara is pretty badass. So I can't wait to – oh, that shit's on my Twitter page. Go to my Twitter page. Go to Birbiglia's Twitter page. Birbiglia, goddammit. At Birbigs.
Starting point is 01:29:22 Birbigs. And Redban is R-E-D-B-A-N on Twitter. And DeathSquad.TV if you want to buy the new Death Squad t-shirt. That is like a ripoff of a bunch of big companies that are probably going to wind up suing him. He'll have to take it down. So get in on it now while it's still a collector's item. That's right. All right, you freaks.
Starting point is 01:29:40 We will see you Friday. Thanks to everybody. We don't have any more podcasts this week, do we? Ice House. Ice House, right, okay.
Starting point is 01:29:48 So we'll see you guys Friday on the Ice House Chronicles and then next week I've got a bunch of people next week, a bunch of good shit's happening. I'll keep you guys in tune. Thank you everybody
Starting point is 01:29:57 for all the positive messages on Twitter and Facebook and all that good shit and all the cool people that come out to the comedy stores and comedy stores, shows comedy stores? Shows? Places? I should stop talking at a certain point
Starting point is 01:30:08 in time. I've said too many words. They're meaningless now. It's all just noise out of my mouth. You know what the fuck I'm talking about, people. We love you guys. Thank you very much. See you soon. Bye-bye. I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

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